Orly Taitz Sanctioned for $20,000

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Tuesday, October 13, 2009 at 10:42 am

The “Birther queen” has been slapped with a five-figure fine for “wasting the judicial resources” of the Middle District of Georgia, where she’d filed one of her numerous lawsuits demanding that President Obama prove his citizenship before deploying soldiers to Iraq and Afghanistan. The judgment, which calls Taitz’s case and tactics “delusional”:

Counsel Orly Taitz is hereby ordered to pay $20,000.00 to the United States, through the Middle District of Georgia Clerk’s Office, within thirty days of the date of this Order as a sanction for her misconduct in violation of Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

The entire document, and some key excerpts, after the jump.

Judge Clay Land makes the toughest statement about Taitz’s antics here:

The Court finds that counsel’s conduct was willful and not merely negligent.  It demonstrates bad faith on her part.  As an attorney, she is deemed to have known better.  She owed a duty to follow the rules and to respect the Court.  Counsel’s pattern of conduct conclusively establishes that she did not mistakenly violate a provision of law.  She knowingly violated Rule 11.  Her response to the Court’s show cause order is breathtaking in its arrogance and borders on delusional.  She expresses no contrition or regret regarding her misconduct.  To the contrary, she continues her baseless attacks on the Court.

And here’s the tick-tock of Taitz’s appearance in court:

Counsel’s frivolous and sanctionable conduct wasted the Defendants’ time and valuable judicial resources that could have been devoted to legitimate cases pending with the Court. When she filed the Rhodes case, counsel indicated that it was urgent that the matter be heard because her client was facing imminent deployment.  The Court rearranged its schedule, took time to read the legal papers, and conducted preliminary research in preparation for the hearing.  The Army had to activate its legal team on short notice, sending a Major from the Army Litigation Division in Washington, D.C. and a Captain from the CONUS Replacement Center at Ft. Benning.  In addition, the Assistant U.S. Attorney had to accompany them.  Like the Court, the government attorneys had to prepare in an expedited manner for the hearing.  During the week preceding Captain Rhodes’s deployment, the Court was in the midst of a jury trial.  Therefore, the Court had to alter the trial schedule to conduct the hearing during an extended lunch break, thus affecting other counsel and jurors.  The Clerk’s Office was burdened by Ms. Taitz’s inability to follow the Court’s rules regarding pro hac vice admission and the Court’s rules for electronic filing. On five separate occasions in a short period, the Clerk’s Office personnel error-noticed counsel for her failure to follow simple rules.  At the hearing, counsel failed to make coherent
legal arguments but instead wasted the Court’s time with press conference sound bites and speeches.

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Ryan
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

Treason? Do you know what treason is?? This is quite ridiculous, because if anything, Orly Taitz is committing treason, not the judge.

Saying false, scandalous and malicious things about the President is treason, which is exactly what Orly Taitz and many of the birthers are doing. A judge fining someone who is doing those things and wasting the courts time is definitely not treason.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

Sorry, it’s not just “lefties” who think you’re idiots, it’s most of America.

Get your GED, stop wasting your life and our time.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

You are right…there is no shortage of idiots to keep bringing up that which has been debunked over and over. Grow up!


Daron
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

XINUNUS – You are so ridiculous. How many more fraudulent birth certificates does she have to show before you realize you are being fooled. She was warned not to continue to bring stupid, idiotic, cases before the court.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

xinunus,

You have some real sick issues. Don’t you know when to give it up? Try obsessing over something important like the need for health care reform. Barack Obama was properly vetted, probably more so than any other candidate, because he’s an African American. He doesn’t owe you or any other crazy birther any proof, beyond what has already been provided.


BRT
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

That’s kind. I have different words for that moron.


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Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

I’m really beginning to think that xinunus is putting us all on. This has GOT to be a joke, right?


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Matt Taylor
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

ROFL. What can I say other than ABOUT DAMN TIME. Of course you know she doesn't have that money. How many of you birther morons are going to be paying her fine?


Kurt
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

<nelson>Ha ha!</nelson>


Tracy
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

She's been bleeding the faithful via PayPal from months – now she can put those donations to good use.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

Oh I'm sure those donations are in a cayman islands bank account somewhere.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Who would have guessed that it could be a negative to call a judge corrupt and accuse them of treason?


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neonzx
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Okay, but then how much longer before Obama is removed from office?

*LOL*


techweenie
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

The vast conspiracy against the conspiracists widens. Is O, Rly? a liberal stooge? Is a GWB-appointed judge tied to the Kenyan Socialist Tyranny Conspiracy? Inquiring minds want to know!


strangely_enough
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

Three years. Seven, tops.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

7? Nahhh did you forget the secret conspiracy that us lefties have had to overturn the constitutional amendment only allowing two terms. We elected congressmen to propose constitutional amendments allowing unlimited terms and (here is the genius part) to make it look like it had nothing to do with Obama we elected them over a decade ago prior to us hatching our socialist plot to destroy the US by electing the secret muslim Barack Obama.

Whats the matter, did you miss a meeting or something? You gotta keep up on your conspiracies.


sue
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

Perfect reply! LOL


rskaz
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

You pay what you get for.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

I'd hate to be desperate for dental work in Orange County right now. (cue Marathon Man music)


SPECOPS
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

I wonder if Fox will cover this story


CarmanK
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

Good for the judge. This woma uses her credentials as an “officer of the court” to wast the court's time with frivolous law suits. She is irresponsible in her judicial conduct and cares little about getting to the truth. Sanctioning is too kind, she should be disbarred.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

Yeah. Go figure!

Unfortunately, she's also spiraling into a pathetic, martyr status.


B1RD67
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

You read my mind!


Tracy
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Disbarment is right around the corner, I'd say.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

THIS JUDGE IS A JOKE.

ALL WE WANT IS FOR OBAMA TO SHOW HIS LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

THIS JUDGE IS COMMITTING TREASON BY NOT ALLOWING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SEE THESE DOCUMENTS.

THIS JUDGE IS PATHETIC!!


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

I HOPE ONE DAY ALL YOU LIBERALS GET SLAPPED IN THE FACE WHEN YOU WANT JUSTICE.

YOUR TIME WILL COME.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

WHAT IS OBAMA HIDING?

IF OBAMA DID COME OUT AND SHOW THE LONG FORM BC AND IT SHOWED HE WASNT BORN HERE, ALL YOU BLEEDING LIBERALS WOULD MAKE UP SOME STUPID EXCUSE WHY IT DOESNT MATTER.

YOU DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT RIGHT. YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT YOUR HATE FILLED PATHETIC IDEALOGY.

YOUR LIBERALS IDEALOGY WILL BE THE END OF FREEDOM ONE DAY AND WE WILL ALL BLAME THE LIBERALS.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

ITS NOT JUST THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

WHY IS OBAMA HIDING ALL THIS STUFF??

1. Occidental College records — “Sealed”

2. Columbia College records — “Sealed”

3. Columbia Thesis Paper — “Sealed”

4. Harvard College Records — “Sealed”

5. Elementary Records – “Not released”

6. Kindergarten Records – “Not released”

7. Punahou School Records – “Not released”

8. Baptism Records – “Not released”

9. Passport Files – “Sealed”

10. Illinois State Bar Records – “Not released”

11. Illinois State Senate Records (files and schedules) – “Destroyed”

12. Medical Records — “Not released”

13. Selective Service Registration — “Not released”

14. Law Practice Client List — “Not released”

15. Certified Copy of Original Birth Certificate — “Sealed”

16. Embossed, Signed, Paper Certification of Live Birth — “Sealed”

17. Record of Baptism – “Not released”

18. Marriage Records for his Parents – “Not released”

19. Divorce Records for his Parents – “Not released”

20. Records Of his Mother's Second Marriage – “Not released”

21. Records Of Any Adoption By his Stepfather – “Not released”


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

HAWAII GAVE OUT CERTIFICATES OF LIVE BIRTH TO BABIES NOT BORN IN HAWAII OR THE USA IN 1961.

UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA YOU DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS NATURAL BORN, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO BE PRESIDENT.

UNTIL OBAMA SHOWS US WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR IS LISTED ON HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE WE WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH.

OBAMA COULD END ALL OF THIS WITH A 5 MINUTE PHONE CALL.

INSTEAD HE IS SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON LAWYERS TO HIDE ALL RECORDS THAT SHOW THAT HE CAME FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY.

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING OBAMA?

YOU'RE PRESIDENT NOW.

TIME TO STOP HIDING YOUR PAST.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

I wonder if any of the mainstream media will. Although this would be GREAT news for them to show, I bet they won't because it will bring up the California case, which is likely going to trial!

They can't let that out…lol


jcisler
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Hi, Orly!


Matt Taylor
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Nobody is name calling. Calling you a crazed racist lunatic is like calling the four legged canine companion of mine a dog. Its a statement of fact, not namecalling.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Nobody is name calling. Calling you a crazed racist lunatic is like calling the four legged canine companion of mine a dog. Its a statement of fact, not namecalling.


coracii
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

And it's easy to see by the last few posts who the idiot on this discussion board is… One question, xinunus, are you really Orly Taitz hiding behind a nickname?


mariesal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

What the hell is a long birth certificate. Xinunus do you have one. Because in my state we don't. You are just a moronic at Orly. Are you a racist is that what this deal is all about. You just can't accept that we have a black president.


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

idiot.


Steve Green
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

So, all these were available for Bush Snr, Bush Jnr, Reagan, etc?


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

idiot


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

the Court had to alter the trial schedule to conduct the hearing during an extended lunch break

LMAO, LUNCH BREAK, BOO HOO!!


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

idiot


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

idiot


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

He's definitely hiding something and we all know it. And just so all you loser lefties know, we will not stop. If it's not Orly, it will be someone else to take on Obama. Eventually, he will have to show it and then we all know what's gonna happen. KICKED TO THE CURB!

I can't wait for that day!


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

I HAD TO EXTEND MY LUNCH BREAK, NOW PAY ME 20G's

LOL THE JUDGE IS A JOKE.

THE JUDGE IS MAKING THIS PERSONAL.

HE MUST BE A LIBERAL.


mariesal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Xinumus you are an idiot. You are so full of hate… I pray for your family…


Name
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

I can only conclude the you birthers are a bunch of nut jobs. There is very significant evidence that Obama was born in the US. You are trying to make him dance on your string by providing more and more information. This is a malicious game to undermine him as President. I question your patriotism in doing this. You are not acting in the best interests of the United States.


Name
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

I can only conclude the you birthers are a bunch of nut jobs. There is very significant evidence that Obama was born in the US. You are trying to make him dance on your string by providing more and more information. This is a malicious game to undermine him as President. I question your patriotism in doing this. You are not acting in the best interests of the United States.


Name
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

I can only conclude the you birthers are a bunch of nut jobs. There is very significant evidence that Obama was born in the US. You are trying to make him dance on your string by providing more and more information. This is a malicious game to undermine him as President. I question your patriotism in doing this. You are not acting in the best interests of the United States.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

hahaha idiots like this, should not be able to get on the internet. They hear someone call people racists and they run around repeating it and have no clue what they are talking about.

What are you 10? Funny…


BRT
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

Actually, I don't know for sure, but I've heard her husband's business does very well, and they are very wealthy.

In fact it has been suggested, his software business, has a few government contracts.

I don't know, but I suspect this fine isn't big enough to make a dent in her activities.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

HAWAII HAS LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATES YOU IDIOT.

THE ONE OBAMA SHOWED US DOESNT SHOW WHAT HOSPITAL OR DOCTOR DELIEVED HIM.

MY BIRTH CERTIFCATE DOES SHOW THIS AND SO DOES YOURS.

LISTEN HERE YOU MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!

NEXT TIME YOU TALK TO OBAMA ASK HIM WHAT HOSPITAL HE WAS BORN IN.

I BET HE WONT TELL YOU!!!

OBAMA DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT HOSPITAL HE WAS BORN IN.

WHAT A PATHETIC JOKE YOU ALL ARE!!


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

HAWAII HAS LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATES YOU IDIOT.

THE ONE OBAMA SHOWED US DOESNT SHOW WHAT HOSPITAL OR DOCTOR DELIEVED HIM.

MY BIRTH CERTIFCATE DOES SHOW THIS AND SO DOES YOURS.

LISTEN HERE YOU MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!

NEXT TIME YOU TALK TO OBAMA ASK HIM WHAT HOSPITAL HE WAS BORN IN.

I BET HE WONT TELL YOU!!!

OBAMA DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT HOSPITAL HE WAS BORN IN.

WHAT A PATHETIC JOKE YOU ALL ARE!!


cb
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

Wow, you are one sick paranoid puppy,, seek help before it is too late. Put on your clothes, get out of your mother's basement and get a life.

If McCain would have won, who by the way was born overseas, this would not be an issue. This is an issue of sour grapes, sore losers who just refuse to accept the results of the election.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Yup, they sure did, but you are wasting your time here with these losers. All the facts in the world won't convince them, cause they don't understand facts or that they are PROOF of something. They see facts and then they call you racist. LOLOL


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

I WILL GIVE YOU $5000 DOLLARS IF YOU CAN GET OBAMA TO TELL YOU WHAT HOSPITAL HE WAS BORN IN!!

YOUR ALL IN DENIAL..

ITS PATHETIC!!


mariesal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

My birth certificate doesn't have a doctor or hospital because I was born at home with a mid wife… Not everyone was born in a hospital you moron…


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

ASK OBAMA WHAT HOSPITAL HE WAS BORN IN.

OR BETTER YET ASK GIBBS.

SEE IF HE GIVES YOU AN ANSWER.

JUST ASK.

IF OBAMA TELLS YOU I WILL GIVE YOU $5000 DOLLARS.


Steve Green
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

How about justice for the US citizens kidnapped during the Tehran embassy crisis, who stayed imprisoned until Reagan's inaugeration because of a deal negotiated with the Iranians by Bush Snr to weaker Carter's re-election campaign? Or for the tens of thousands of Iraqis and coalition soldiers who died because Bush's son – empowered by a corrupt election – lied in order to launch an illegal war?

You really have a bizarre sense of priorities.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Yeah, they botched that up to. It is proven fact that there are two hospitals named as his birth hospital in Hawaii (oops). Not sure who, but I think it was his sister who said one and then he said another. I will have to look look it up.


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

How about this? When Sarah, Bristol, and Trig Palin are DNA tested to prove who the REAL mom is, I'll think about demanding BHO's birth certificate.

Or you could just shut up and act your age, whichever…


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

JUST ASK OBAMA THE NAME OF HOSPITAL AND WATCH THE SPIN TAKE PLACE!!

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA.

DENIAL ALL OF YOU.

KOOL AIDDDDDDDDDD DRINKERS LOL……………………..


mariesal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

Make it One million… $5000 is shit and not worth anyone trying to find out that information…


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

I WILL PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS.

$5000 DOLLARS TO ANYONE WHO CAN GET OBAMA TO TELL THE AMERICAN PRESS WHAT HOSPITAL HE WAS BORN IN.

DENIAL IS MISERY!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

I question your patriotism in not letting the TRUTH out. VERY UNPATRIOTIC, to step on the Constitution. If he has nothing to hide, then show it, right?

LOLOL, it's cause he has something to hide, IDIOTS!
Hellloooooo


proudem
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

This has been debunked over and over….the judge was correct. I just wish that he had fined her 100,000 instead of just 20,000. The American people know that this is just more idiocy from gun-totin', bible thumpin', uneducated racist wing-nuts. We hear nothing from you all regarding where McCain was born (by the way it was in Panama). Just more lunacy from you idiots!


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA YOU CAN NOT SAY WITH 100% CERTAINTY THAT HE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

YOU PEOPLE ARE COMPLETE IDIOTS AND IN DENIAL.

ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

Hate has nothing to do with it. Truth is what we want!

SHOW THE LONGFORM BC, otherwise the Kenya one is more legit!


mariesal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

The one that's miserable is you … and your birther friends. $5000 is not enough.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

ANSWER THE ##$#$# QUESTION.

WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA YOU MORONS!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Ya think? He is being paid by Obama!


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLES AND ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU PATHETIC FOOLS!!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

I accept your offer. Identify yourself so I know I can collect. Or are you only able to spew your nonsence when anonymous? You can email me at rastabossman@verizon.net


okieman
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

I don't know what hospital I was born in either. And honestly, I don't care. Why should he walk around knowing which hospital it was? Even the Republican governor of the state of Hawaii has said his birth records are legit. That should be enough. But not for you. But then again, you have the cranial capacity of a doorknob.


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

Did I mention you are an idiot? Because you are.


mariesal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

I've given you a reason why might be no doctor and you refuse to accept anything. Nothing that this President proves would be acceptable to you. Just admit that you hate the man because he's black… YOU RACIST


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

COME ON YOU CAN DO IT, ANSWER JUST THIS ONE QUESTION!!!

HAHAHHAHAAHHA

YOU CANT CAUSE YOU DONT KNOW LOLOLLLLLL

YOU LIBERALS DONT KNOW WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA LOL!!!!!!!!!!

ANSWER IT AND YOU WIN A PRIZE!!


mariesal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

Typical White trailer trash… or skin head… I'm sure that's what you are.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

HEY IDIOT.

ACCORDING TO THE PRESIDENT HE WASSSSSSSSSSS BORN IN A HOSPITAL..

TELL ME THE DOCTOR AND HOSPITAL FOOLS!!


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

It was Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. Now shut up and give me my money.


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

It was Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. Now shut up and give me my money.


Paul
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Maybe when she becomes a real lawyer she will appreciate what just happened.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

LMAO!!

AHHAHHAA

NOW THE NAME CALLING COMES.

YOU CANT ANSWER THE QUESTION SO LIBERALS REVERT TO NAME CALLING.

JUST LIKE IN THE 5TH GRADE LMAO!!!!!!!!!!


mariesal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Chill man you going to give yourself a heart attack.. Maybe that's a good thing.. We'll get rid of another birther idiot


infantryman08
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

You are a tool.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

You don’t have a right to see his long form birth certificate. It is NO LONGER the legal way to prove birth in Hawaii. Since 2000, the ONLY legal form of proving birth is the short form CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH as provided by Obama. This has been certified by the Federal Government and has been provided the Full Faith and Credit. You have NO CHANCE. That is funny!


greg285
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

xinunus, you are one lonely and pathetic individual with way too much time on your hands! It's obvious you don't have a life based on your comments! Just come out of the closet and admit that you are a RACIST, maybe people would have some respect for you if you stated you position with sincerity and honesty…LOSER….


proudem
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Not true….the made up Kenyan paper looks as if it was done by a child. Only an idiot would believe this nonsense….well there you have it. P.S. why aren't you questioning McCain's BC? He was born in Panama.


proudem
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Not true….the made up Kenyan paper looks as if it was done by a child. Only an idiot would believe this nonsense….well there you have it. P.S. why aren't you questioning McCain's BC? He was born in Panama.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Um, I think any reasonable person can clearly see who the “IDIOTS” are.

That's you in case you missed it.


greg285
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

xinunus, you are one lonely and pathetic individual with way too much time on your hands! It's obvious you don't have a life based on your comments! Just come out of the closet and admit that you are a RACIST, maybe people would have some respect for you if you stated you position with sincerity and honesty…LOSER….


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

At least get your GED instead of wasting your life.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

ohh ohh, I know I know…

It's Dr. Ang'awa at Coast Province General Hospital


proudem
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

Prove it! All you have proven so far is that you are an idiot!


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

If being a moron was a profession, you'd be recession-proof!


mariesal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

It's not name calling if it's true. … He doesn't have to prove anything to you or people like you…. You didn't vote for him… the rest of us did… Orly can file all the case she want. and the court will keep throwing them out and continue to fine her..


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

Give it up dude, they don't care about facts. They are part of the Obamination…


captainobvious1
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

We also don't know what doctor and hospital delivered W. Bush, Clinton, H.W. Bush, Reagan.

We never REQUIRED that information from any other president in history. Why do we suddenly NEED this information from Obama? You assume Obama isn't a natural born citizen until it is proven otherwise, did you require the same from the previous presidents?


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Yelling with ALL CAPS won’t do you any good.

The only form of legal proof of birth in Hawaii is the COLB short form and has been since 2000. You saw it and didn’t like it. Tough ****.


Name
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

He was delivered by Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine and Dr. Howard.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Because Birthers are idiots, and you can't reason with idiots.


john
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Believe it or not, a hospital or doctor is OPTIONAL for giving birth. Billions have been born without one or the other, or without both. So, why do I now care what hospital or doctor delivered Obama?
I don't know the name of the doctor who delivered ME! Nor, have I ever seen my OWN “long form” birth certificate.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

The irony is that most of America is laughing at you.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Says the idiot.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

hahaha, he doesn't have to prove anything, bullshit he don't. Cause this isn't ending until he PROVES it.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

hahaha, he doesn't have to prove anything, bullshit he don't. Cause this isn't ending until he PROVES it.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

Says the idiot.


Ryan
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

xinus,

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/bi…

And he was born in Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, HI

Now, because you keep asking for proof that he was born here (which there is plenty of), how about you provide proof that he wasn't born here.

Also, just for the heck of it, can you provide us with your long form birth certificate, the hospital you were born in and the doctor?


mariesal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

He doesn't and he won't. Let them continue to file frilivous lawsuits and they willl be thrown out. Obamacorn another birther idiot. You people are like roaches…


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

Worst. Lawyer. EVER.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

It was over before it started. You guys keep the party going though and make sure to be really vocal during the next midterm elections. Your Republican candidates could really use your support. So what if even Republicans think you're morons, keep up the good work.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

lolol, the racist card again. How about being ILLEGAL to run for president, whether he is white, black or tie dye…who the hell cares of his color, I don't. I want a president that is looking out for MY country, not someone that was born somewhere else, coming in and totally ruining MY country, because it is in the best interest, of the rest of the world to bring America down. That is what he is doing and you all are too stupid to figure it out!


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Says the idiot.


KM
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

Here's an analysis with all the information you need: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…. As far as the birth hospital, its http://www.queensmedicalcenter.net/, Queen's Medical Center of Honolulu. They had to take down a plaque commemorating that fact because they were swamped with people like you demanding to see the birth certificate. Where can I collect my $5000


Name
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

Oh wow, CAPITAL LETTERS, you must be telling the truth.


captainobvious1
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

These same people never wanted any similar information from any previous president. Why do they suddenly want these documents when it was never an issue in the past?

If Obama goes out and gets his long form certificate it legitimizes you loonies.

You same ultra conservative nuts said Obama shouldn't meet with hostile foreign leaders because it legitimizes them… This is the same reason his administration shouldn't work hard to prove themselves to you people, because doing pays you more respect than you deserve.

The courts have already called this controversy a joke.


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

I read on this one site on the Internets that it's a proven fact that Obamacornlies likes to touch little boys and punch old ladies in the throat. He also is a founding member of NAMBLA, conducts puppy-drowning parties, has testicular implants, and is his own mothers' paid sexual servant.
It's a proven fact fact fact. Prove me wrong!!! Aaa-hahahahahahahaaah!


corrupteddata
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

What was your doctors name? Quick. No you can't look it up on a form answer me now! What you delayed you're lying. You're a Commie and not born in America. All Caps? That means you're from Laos because in America we don't use all caps.

Also you referenced pie which is an obvious attempt to SOUND more American.

I'm on to you, get out of my country you dirty Nig… er foreigner.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

I wonder if this idiot voted for that other idiot (George Bush) twice. Probably lie and say not.

Where was your outrage when Dubya was flushing our country down the toilet? Oh, that's right, you were probably cheerleading.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

The idiot speaks in capital letters


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

The idiot speaks in capital letters


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

LIBERALS ARE NOT SMARTER THAN A 5th GRADER.

A 5TH GRADER WOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU DIDNT KNOW THE HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR THEN YOU CANT SAY HE IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

This idiot laughably uses the word “facts”.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

Speaking of denial…

The idiot speaks in capital letters no less.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

CONGRESS INVESTIGATED MCCAIN BUT JUST HAPPENED TO GIVE OBAMA A PASS.

WE ALL KNOW WHY YOU LIBERALS ARE GIVING OBAMA A PASS?

ITS BECAUSE YOU WILL BE CALLED A RACIST IF YOU QUESTION OBAMA.

THE FEAR IS HORRIBLE ISNT IT.


Daron
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Where were these people looking for the “truth” when Bush/Cheney made up lies to get us into a unnecessary war in Iraq? HEY BIRTHERS! When there was actually something to find, why weren't you looking and insisting on the truth then?


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Doesn't take a liberal, we all know an idiot when we see one.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

The idiot speaks in capital letters.


captainobvious1
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

Your own party is basically calling you people ridiculous. You are an embarrassment to them, they wish you would go away.

You are crazy conspiracy theorists.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

THE COURTS ARE AFRAID JUST AS MUCH AS YOU LIBERALS TO QUESTION OBAMA.

THE COURTS AND THIS STUPID JUDGE ARE COWARDS.

ALL YOU LIBERALS ARE COWARDS FOR NOT WANTING TO GET TO THE TRUTH.

THIS JUDGE IS SINGLE HANDEDLY DESTORYING OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM WHO WOULD IN ANY OF CIRCUMSTANCE WOULD ALLOW THE CASE TO GO FORWARD.

THE JUDGE IS A COWARD.

YOU LIBERALS ARE COWARDS.


williams1977
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Fantastic….

Disbarment here we come, Orly!


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Denial is misery indeed, boy is it showing.


rcwblessed
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

xinunus,

You have some real sick issues. Don't you know when to give it up? Try obsessing over something important like the need for health care reform. Barack Obama was properly vetted, probably more so than any other candidate, because he's an African American. He doesn't owe you or any other crazy birther any proof, beyond what has already been provided.


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

If Jesus came down from on high to declare Obama legitimate, these birthers would line up to crucify him again, while waving the Bible they've never read in his face and denying his Divinity.


captainobvious1
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

Why shouldn't they give Obama a pass? McCain was investigated because he WAS born outside the country (though at a military base) there was no reason to investigate Obama.

Why the hell would congress investigate him, they have as much reason to investigate him as they did to investigate any of the previous presidents.

There was no reason for congress to investigate it.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

You're a coward and an idiot.

Probably voted for Dubya twice.


BirtherRidiots
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

If you've been to the zoo, you know we're not supposed to feed the animals.
Trying to reason with an idiot is a lost cause.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

HOW IS IT A CONSPIRACY TO WANT THE CONSTITUTION FOLLOWED?

YOU PEOPLE ARE COMPLETE FOOLS.

ALL WE WANT IS THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY TO BE FOLLOWED.

AND ALL WE GET IS A GOVERNMENT FULL OF COWARDS THAT ARE AFRAID THAT IF IT COMES TO BE FOUND OUT THAT OBAMA ISNT A CITIZEN THAT THE BLACKS IN THIS COUNTRY WOULD REBEL IF OBAMA WAS IMPEACHED.

JUST REALIZE THE TRUTH.

THE TRUTH IS IN YOUR FACE.

YOU ARE COWARDS AND DONT WANT TO PISS OFF THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

YOU LOOKED THE OTHER WAY BECAUSE YOU ALL WANTED THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT SO BAD YOU TURNED A BLIND EYE.

THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

YOU CANT IGNORE PARTS OF IT AND FOLLOW THE REST.

THE CONSTITUTION IS BEING IGNORED FOR POLICTICAL CORRECTNESS.

ADMIT IT!


Loonesta
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

xinunus is a big bore. You'll continue to bore America with this birth cert bore for the next 7 years, won't you? Because that's all you've got. As for Anally Taintz, she's indicated she won't pay the fine! Jail time is just around the coroner!


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

THIS JUDGE AND HIS COURT ARE ALL COWARDS!!

HE IS IGNORING THE CONSTITUTION.

ITS TREASON.


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

The fear, it burns! Ow Ow Ow! I wish I would've been born a doltish buffoon like xinunus, then I could spend all my time in righteous indignation at all the respect, dignity, and level-headed leadership going on right now!
Damn you, knowledge, education, common sense, and reason! Damn you to Liberal Hell!!!


xcott
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

But so what? We knew the conspiracy theories won't end, because people will promote them in the face of all contrary evidence.

Okay, so you won't stop saying stuff on the Internet. That doesn't require anyone to prove anything, or even respond.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE AND ANSWER THE QUESTION FOOL!!

WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA.

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE AND ANSWER THE QUESTION FOOL!!

WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA.

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE AND ANSWER THE QUESTION FOOL!!

WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA.

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE AND ANSWER THE QUESTION FOOL!!

WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA.

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE AND ANSWER THE QUESTION FOOL!!

WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA.

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE AND ANSWER THE QUESTION FOOL!!

WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA.

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE AND ANSWER THE QUESTION FOOL!!

WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

YOUR ALL COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOUR ALL COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOUR ALL COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOUR ALL COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOUR ALL COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOUR ALL COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOUR ALL COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


corrupteddata
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Answer my question: WTF does it matter to you?


corrupteddata
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Scream louder. That'll prove you're brave.


xinunus
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

COWARDS – One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

COWARDS – One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

COWARDS – One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

COWARDS – One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

COWARDS – One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

COWARDS – One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

COWARDS – One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

COWARDS – One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

COWARDS – One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.


dottylove
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

This wasn't asked of any of the previous presidencies, and all those “sealed” and “not released” information were of similar status in previous presidencies. The ones (schools, past jobs, etc) we did know because we took the time to dig it up when they were still up and comers. Obamas rise to president was fairly quick, and it seems no one bothered to do any research at that time, so when he was elected president, his private information became sealed. Not uncommon at all.

The Republican Governor of the state of Hawaii even says it's a legit birth certificate, and the hospital and doctors are listed below in the comments.

The reason Obama doesn't continue to acknowledge the ridiculous demands of “birthers” is because when/if he revealed all that information that doesn't have any relevance to the hospital/doctor he was born in/delivered by, you're just going to ask for more research, DNA tests, blood tests, probably harass his family members and friends to get information out of them, and lord knows what else. Not only do these demands take time away from the President and his staff from doing things that benefit the country, but they're ludicrous to ask for, since none of these things were required by any previous presidencies.

I'm unsure why the racist card keeps getting thrown around here (I assume because all the previous presidents were white, and were not being badgered for information that's taking time away from their administration), it's making everyone participating look like dribbling little children, not just the all-caps cruise controlling birther posts likely provided by an expert troll, or a well speaking and potentially well meaning birther who is asking for information that a Republican governor has already stated to be 100% true and identified.

Furthermore, I don't get the immediate tossing of the racist card at birthers who are actually well spoken, polite, and generally just asking for information they feel they are entitled to know (even if that information is already confirmed and released AND reviewed by a Republican) because in all honesty, there is nothing wrong with pursuit of the truth.

As for the lawyer getting the fine, it was NOT because of the inconvenient extended lunch break disruption, if you read the REST of the article, that was one of MANY reasons, first and foremost, the lawyer ignored repeatedly a few very common judicial practice, costing the court, the military, and I assume the US Attorney department money that didn't need to be charged IF the lawyer had bothered to follow correct procedure. The judge was willing to ignore it if it was a first time thing, but the lawyer has repeatedly done this stupid stuff. To be honest, I'm somewhat shocked he/she is retaining their practice.

tl;dr: the lawyer is facing the fine for not acting anything at all like a lawyer in a court of law, and costing a lot of people money. The 20k fine honestly is too little, if what I assume in total costs to all those people would amount to.


xcott
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

Sure there isn't any racism involved.

It's just a complete and total coincidence that nobody ever skeptically demanded a long-form and hospital records for Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton, or John McCain. Hmmmm, I wonder what could be the distinguishing factor between the current president and all those other people….


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

hahaha. Spacytracy, once again you and your Godess Orly have been SMACKED down: Now let's see you prove that YOUR husband is in the USA legally


damnedgent
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

xinunus- One who shows poor grammar and ignorance in the face of logic and reason. From the Latin word 'dumb-ass'.

xinunus- One who shows poor grammar and ignorance in the face of logic and reason. From the Latin word 'dumb-ass'.

xinunus- One who shows poor grammar and ignorance in the face of logic and reason. From the Latin word 'dumb-ass'.

xinunus- One who shows poor grammar and ignorance in the face of logic and reason. From the Latin word 'dumb-ass'.

xinunus- One who shows poor grammar and ignorance in the face of logic and reason. From the Latin word 'dumb-ass'.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

Your husband was born somewhere else, by your own admission, and I therefor question YOUR loyalty to this country. Why don't you surrender to the INS and get on the boat?


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xcott
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

In my experience, the apparently polite ones are no more in “pursuit of the truth” than the rude ones.

The politeness is just an act to make their detractors look bad. Politely respond with the facts, and they will politely wait, and politely repeat their false claims and their pretense about wanting to know the truth you already gave them. In the end it's a denial movement, not a sincere belief system.


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chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

What a loony ranting fool you are:
typical Birfer


xcott
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

If you're so obsessed over the purity of “natural born” citizens, maybe you could learn to make sentences in your own native language.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

“name calling” from the clown who repeatedly types “COWARDS!”
loony tunes


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Another idiot birfer? What a surprise. Orly's split personalities are out in full force today.


dottylove
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

That's not true 100% of the time, however. To apply it to everyone is just baseless generalization, at its core.

Now, when you're obviously dealing with some sort of parrotbot, then yeah, they're definitely part of the denial movement.

Also, I -really- hate denial movements.


xcott
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Look how valiantly he uses the Internet, under a pseudonym.

He must be a member of the 101st fighting keyboardists.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

And Jimmy Carter was the first President born in a hospital. Does that put into question the legitimacy of every President before him? Of course not.


LadyRavenWing
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

My, my! Sounds like xinunus a temper problem! Your problem is not only your 2 year old temper tantrums, xinunus, but your ability to actually prove your allegations. Taitz is a fool who wants her 10 seconds in the spotlight. She got it and got booted (again) for her trouble.. not to mention the HUGE fine she now has to pay for her stupidity. If she actually KNEW anything about the Constitution and the law, she would have given up this fruitless quest long ago. She's not a real lawyer, nor does she really know anything about the law, except to get herself into trouble. How many times is she gonna waste the courts time and resources on this frivilous mess? No WONDER the judge got mad at her. She is lucky she isn't doing jail time.


AlCum
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

WHAT HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR DELIVERED OBAMA?

It does not matter. The Constitution does not require that a president be born in a hospital or by a doctor. Birth in the US is sufficient and proven


AlCum
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

Probably FOUR times.


wafflezas
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

good, what a stpud bitch


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

I agree with the majority of what you said, but even the “polite” birfers are a few bricks shy of a load. After all, no birfer has ever presented any credible evidence of anything they claim, and as a result they have been laughed out of every court that they've ever set foot into. They just repeat the same lies louder, and, they insist that the President has to prove himself to them or else he runs the risk of being “marched out of office.”

There are literally no words to describe how impossibly stupid and delusional the birfers are. They don't know anything about the Constitution, or Evidence, or Civil Procedure; they know even less about the law and procedure than Orly does, if that's even possible. And even if they did know what the hell they were talking about it wouldn't matter; they would only accept as “evidence” the things that fit in their conspiracy theory no matter how sketchy, unreliable, and inadmissible that evidence is.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

capslock = courage? Only in birferworld.


Gary
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

OK, under what nation's passport did the Chosed One use to visit Pakistan in his early years? Anybody got the balls to ask him that question?


Ryan
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

Well, it's known that McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. He is a completely legal and a natural born citizen, Congress wanted to show that so that crazies such as yourself wouldn't do this sort of thing. The same was not necessary for Obama because he was born in Hawaii, has a birth certificate, and is clearly a natural born citizen with no strange things about it (such as being born in a military zone outside of the US like McCain)


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

the 'Chosed One' is hanging out of your nose, moron. Use a tissue, for god's sake


Ryan
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Have you read the Constitution?

It is being followed completely. There is absolutely no dispute from proper authorities as to whether or not Obama was born in the US. The only people that are disputing it are extremists who refuse to accept that he is president.

The Constitution does not have any requirement to show a long form birth certificate, so why do you keep asking for it? It was never required from any president before him, so why the change?


Ryan
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

I love when people ask completely baseless questions. Of course it was a US passport. Please provide evidence to show otherwise.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

That would be Indonesia


dottylove
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

This would be a prime example of what I was talking about regarding once a birthers question has been answered, they wouldn't stop there, they'd find more stuff to ask about.

Answer: He was born in the United States, so I would suggest an American Passport.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

lolol, lemme guess, 8th grade dropout???


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

WRONG
YOU FAIL!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

lolol, you spelled yur name wrong…
Captainoblivious1


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Just say no to Obamacare!
Take the load off granny…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

You with Acorn? You probably voted 4 times in 08. lolol


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

It's known that Obama was born in Kenya, what's your point?


Ryan
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

ok, then tell me what is wrong and provide proof. I study the Constitution, and there is nothing in there that says that a president must provide any of the things that birthers are asking for.


dottylove
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

I'm under the assumption they're just caught in the movement. The movement being the really loud people on TV talking about how there's no evidence for this, that, or the other thing, despite all that evidence already having been provided and proven, confirmed even by the Republican party. Programming can have a powerful influence on peoples minds, take Fox News for example. How anyone can watch that and not laugh hysterically is beyond my comprehension, but I suppose it's the differences that make us all Human.

What birthers need to focus on is the fact that the Birther issue isn't an issue anymore. When this suggestion broke, it was big news. Once we got an answer, a confirmed by the other party answer in fact, the news went away. If something else that had potential to have foundation came up, it'd make news again. note today, we got a news post about the “Queen Birther” getting her well deserved fine for wasting peoples time.

(Should be noted this doesn't apply to entirely everything in the news, as there are still wars going on that don't get much coverage anymore. The reasons are fairly obvious, I think.)

What i don't get is why the birthers assume this is a massive conspiracy. If you honestly believe the Republicans came across evidence that would throw Obama out of the white house and covered it up to keep the conspiracy going, then you're completely out to lunch. They would JUMP at the chance to take the white house back and have a chance to restore their parties former glory. They are the people who were cheering when “Obama failed to bring the olympics to America” and laughing about it, despite the fact that would not be Obamas failure, it would be Americas failure as a whole.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

Article 2, section 1:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

HE HAS NOT PROVEN THAT HE IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!


nomad200000000
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

prove it


tootiredoftheright
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Since there was nothing against US citizens traveleing to Pakistan it was a US passport. Several articles from the time in magazines devoted to travel as well as Time Magazine reported that US citizens could travel to Pakistan with US passports.

Travel was never banned for US citizens to Pakistan. There were warnings which usually comprised of advice to get a visa for thirty days and how to do it as well as what to do if you were staying longer.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Taitz definitely has a few issues.

However, here's what Weigel will never tell you about the judge. Mr. Soros wouldn't like it if Weigel discussed that.


Jimmy W.
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

Exactly. No one remembers. That’s why we need documentation.

The constitution requires it.


mrspolly
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Laughable. Judge Land is a Bush appointee, and one of the commenters to the local paper said, “If she thinks he's pro-Obama, she don't know our Judge Land very well, do she?”

There is no validity to any of Orly's arguments. She should look up the pesky legalism “conclusory allegations.” I'm surprised her online course didn't cover that one.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

LOL!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

How ignorant. Bias? The court's dismissal of the Rhodes complaint was based on settled law regarding the duty of courts to abstain from matters related to military deployment.

And for your information, the Court is not supposed to treat the parties “the same.” The plaintiff bears the burden of presenting a justiciable claim. The defense doesn't have to present any evidence until the plaintiff has made out a justiciable claim. Judge Land found that the plaintiff had failed to do so. And that “saying it is so” is not sufficient.

If you want to argue with Judge Land's decision, argue with his reasoning. But like your hero, Orly, you really can't do that, can you?

And seriously, the Soros paranoia is getting old.

— This post paid for by Eric Holder's ObamaBloggerCorps, a secret division of the U.S. Department of Justice ;-)


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

YOU ARE NOT A COMPLETE MORON.

OH WAIT YES YOU ARE.

MY BAD.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:06 am

That’s certainly how you come across


JohnC
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:10 am

The Constitution is completely silent on the question of documentation of birth, let alone what constitutes a “natural born Citizen.”

Obama has shown to FactCheck a Certification Of Live Birth issued by the State of Hawaii. That document states that it is “prima facie evidence” of one’s place and time of birth. That means that a court of law is obligated to presume the validity of the information on the document. Anyone who disputes it shoulders the burden of proof of demonstrating otherwise.

Name me one president who, prior to President Obama, was asked to produce, or did produce, official evidence of his birth. Although birthers will claim these are only internet images and therefore unreliable, what can they possibly expect, that official copies of his birth certificate will be sent out in the mail to all who request a copy?

Obama has gone far beyond what he is required to do, and yet he still gets hammered on the issue every day by people who simply can’t accept the obvious. It’s pretty pathetic, actually.


Jim
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Sure has, being born in the US makes you natural born. Hawaii says he was born there, he is eligible. Past that, you ignoring the laws and legal precedence will not get you where you want to go. Try again, only this time remember we're going to hold you to legal standards, not blower standards.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Delusional, negligent, misconduct, willful neglect, breathtakingly arrogant, frivolous and sanctionable conduct. Yep I think he summed it up quite nicely. Now just as always all the bird brained birthers will start on the same old roll of how it’s a conspiracy, he was gotten to by the brown shirts, he’s treasonous, and all the other things they will be saying about Judge Carter too here in a minute!

Boob chicki boom! Don’t ya just love it!


Billiecat
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Until I get a copy of each birther's original birth certificate and/or naturalization papers (in a copy and form that I feel is appropriate and not a forgery, on standards that are to my satisfaction alone), I will assume they are not citizens of the United States, and therefore have no standing to challenge Obama's eligibility to be President.

So, all you birfers fail. This means you Orly “Beeg Trouble for Moose and Squirrel” Taitz.


mantis
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

You have become a parody of yourself.


GunTotinLiberal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

Go back to school and learn how to spell.
I knew the difference between “your” and “you’re” by the time I completed the third grade.


rogerrramjet
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

xinunus=COWARD


bearclaw
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Judge Land just roldova the nut from Moldova.


GunTotinLiberal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Birthers are really no different than the people that say NASA faked the moon landing or that the whole universe was created in less than one week 6000 years ago. They base their claims on conjecture, mythology and erroneous information that has no shred of fact to them. And just as the moon hoax/creationists have no understanding of basic science, the birthers have no understanding of how the legal system works. Orly will now probably parley the fine (and subsequent disbarment which is sure to follow when she fails to pay) into a whole new “I’m a victim!” role. Her status as martyr with in the Lunatic Fringe will skyrocket.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Really? So, you support allowing federal judges to interfere with military deployment orders? Something tells me that in any other context you would be denouncing “activist judges.” But since the “caplocks” key substitutes for a brain in birferworld, I guess I shouldn't expect consistency.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

What many people fail to understand is that there's different varieties of bias. Most can recognize pro-left or pro-right bias, but only some can recognize the more pernicious pro-establishment bias. The judge might have been a Bush appointee, but in his first ruling he showed pro-establishment bias.

In the first ruling, he gave Obama the benefit of the doubt but didn't extend the same to Taitz. What he should have done is required the same of BHO that he required of Taitz. He did not do that.

Any BHO supporters should put aside their hyperpartisanship (which sometimes verges on fascistic tendencies) and try to understand that.


GunTotinLiberal
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

In our legal system, the benefit of the doubt is always given to the defendant. That whole innocent till proven guilty thingy. It is up to the plaintiff to prove their case. The burden of proof rested on Orly’s shoulders. Obama does not have to do a thing until Orly presents her evidence. So far she has provided no evidence.


dottylove
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

Again, as was said before, the plaintiff has the burden of showing their claim to be justifiable and warrents further research. Both parties are not treated equally in court until this step has been reached. Orly didn't have all her paperwork in place, nor was her admitted “evidence” which was purchased from a corrupted employee researched to prove accuracy. Your own article states all these facts.

Under American law, the case is to be dismissed if the case is based entirely around an undocumented, unresearched piece of evidence. that's why when police obtain evidence, they process it and research it to prove its legitimacy before they will submit it as evidence to a trial. If American law enforcement have charges pressed on an individual based entirely on a scrap of evidence that does not in any way have any relevance to the case or has any shadow of a doubt to be fraudulent, the case will be thrown out. That's why you'll see suspects walk out of a courtroom/holding cell due to “lack of evidence”.

Now if she had all her paperwork in proper order, the judge would likely research the birth certificate from Hawaii. The one that was already researched and noted to be entirely valid by the govenor of Hawaii, a Republican. Where her submitted piece of evidence, and the central part of her claim, was extremely shady (as there was no documentation to even suggest it was legitimate) the case was thrown out, as most/all of cases of this nature are.

At first glance it may seem the judge has a pro-Obama bias, however a couple of minutes of research shows that he was just doing his job. The warning of the future submissions of cases of this nature was natural considering the amount of these cases being submitted (especially since none of them had any hard evidence supporting their outrageous claims) and was basically the judge saying “don't come back unless you actually have a case”.


mantis
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

What he should have done is required the same of BHO that he required of Taitz.

Yes, everybody who is accused of something by a crazy person with no evidence, grounds, or standing, should be forced by the courts to meet the same legal burdens, regardless of how our legal system actually works.

You're down to 22 brain cells, I'm afraid.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

'Soros got to Judge Land'. time for your grade:
+Points for avoiding the real point of this morning's Orlynews
minus points for such a hackneyed fallback scapegoat as Soros
minus points for ultra-cliche: 'fascistic'
FAIL


bearclaw
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

The “pro-establishment bias” of which you speak has another name: the law. The plaintiff bears the burden of proof on factual issues she asserts, the burden of pleading a justiciable case, and — particularly important here — bears an even greater burden when seeking a temporary restraining order.

Do you think that the federal courts should be able to interfere with military deployment orders? Judge Land cited established caselaw (“pro-establishment bias” in your birferworld) to the effect that the courts abstain from interfering with such orders. There is a good reason for abstention: try to imagine how our country could defend itself if every soldier had a right to go to federal court to contest the orders of superior officers, and to get TROs against those superior officers.

Judge Land did not give Barack Obama “the benefit of the doubt.” Rather, he applied settled law. If you believe that the law allows Judge Land to halt the overseas deployment of a military doctor — whose presence overseas may be necessary to save the lives of our soldiers, sailors and Marines — please explain why abstention should not have applied to the case of Captain Rhodes.


Mrs. Polly
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

“he gave Obama the benefit of the doubt but didn't extend the same to Taitz.”

It's called “INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.” Orly must have skipped that online lesson at William Howard Taft Law School, or she would know that Obama doesn't have to prove anything, sullen protestations by a collection of malcontents and wilfully ignorant overaged brats to the contrary.

To move forward, it would be up to her to have hunted down actual proof, that Obama is not native born. But in Birtherworld, the question “Could it be?” (asked, often, about the most absurd allegations, such as the people who wondered if Obama's mother gave birth on a tramp steamer outside the five mile limit) is always automatically transformed into ” It must have happened! Arrest him!”

Judge Land referenced Orly's topsy-turvy, Lewis Carroll notion that all she has to do is prance in with vague intimations and suspicions, dump a pile of misread databases and dog-eared scraps of paper on the judge's desk, and “this looks bad to me; let's investigate!”

Ironically, that would have been enough in the Soviet Union.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Hell I don't even know what hospital or Dr. delivered me, or George Bush, or Bill Clinton, or George Bush, or Ronald Reagan, or Jimmy Carter, or Gerald Ford or pretty much anyone.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

With respect, Mrs. Polly, “innocent until proven guilty” applies in criminal proceedings. But your point is well taken — Orly doesn't seem to realize when she has a burden of proof, or a burden of pleading a justiciable case and controversy.

Orly's real problem in this case is that she was asking a federal judge to issue a temporary restraining order to halt the deployment of a military doctor. Judge Land's comments about Orly's “birth certificate” allegations are really superfluous to his ruling (he was just pointing out the idiocy of her attempt to reverse the burden of proof). The courts, for very good reasons, are loathe to interfere with military orders. And the standards for getting a temporary restraining order are not easy to meet: (1) likelihood of success on the merits; (2) irreparable harm; (3) that less harm will result to the defendant if the TRO issues than to the plaintiff if the TRO does not issue; and (4) that the public interest, if any, weighs in favor of plaintiff.

As Judge Land pointed out, if Capt. Rhodes got out of being deployed, someone else would have to go in her place. Moreover, she had not objected to any other orders she had received since President Obama took office; it was only when she was facing deployment to a combat zone that she wanted to contest his authority.

It is surpassingly strange that conservatives (as most birthers are) would want to set a precedent by which federal judges could interfere with deployment of troops, or with the deployment of military doctors who are needed to take care of those troops.

In summary, to Judge Land (and to any federal judge applying the law), this case was not about a birth certificate. It was about whether federal courts really should be making the decisions about deployment, or whether those decisions should be made through the military chain of command.

If the birthers want to argue that President Obama is not legally the Commander in Chief, do they really want to substitute hundreds of federal judges as the “commanders in chief”?


rogerrramjet
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

xinunus=COWARD


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

OK, let me try this again and dumb it down so BHO cultists might be able to understand it.

The judge demanded that Taitz prove what she was saying. He was correct.

However, the judge assumed that BHO was telling the truth. And, that was about an item that wasn't introduced into evidence: the cert.

My issue isn't about rules of evidence or burden of proof. It's about what the judge assumes. The judge believes BHO, showing that he is biased and predisposed to rule in his favor.

Read all about it here.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

You are dense, even for a birfer. The relief Orly Taitz sought on behalf of Capt. Rhodes was not that the President produce his birth certificate. Rather, Orly Taitz sought a temporary restraining order to halt the deployment of a military doctor pursuant to a deployment order from a superior officer.

What Judge Land ruled, fundamentally, is that Capt. Rhodes was not entitled to a preliminary injunction because, under well-settled rules of abstention, the federal courts do not interfere with military orders, including deployment orders.

I ask you again: do you think the federal courts should be second-guessing military orders that are issued by a superior officer commissioned in the U.S. Armed Services? Orly Taitz apparently wants to argue that all military orders are illegitimate as long as Barack Obama is Commander in Chief. Judge Land simply held that Capt. Rhodes was unlikely to prevail because a U.S. District Court Judge should not be determining the legitimacy of deployment orders (abstention doctrine).


Steve_X
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

You may have to try that again and dumb it down so Orly cultists might be able to understand it.


dottylove
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

I don't think I can dumb down “you are innocent until proven guilty” any more than the base statement. it is up to the plaintiff to present to the judge a sufficient amount of evidence to prove there is warrant to have a trial, and enough evidence to knock the defendants character into question. That's why it's not equal at first, because the PLAINTIFF has to show that the DEFENDANT is NOT innocent, or has a fair degree of potential to be NOT innocent.

tl;dr: The judge is supposed to assume BHO is innocent, until it is proven there is potential for BHO to be guilty.

Orly did not meet any of that criteria. I want to question how you seem to be running a media-based site running a story skewed to the right without understanding the very basic fundamentals of law and am also unsure you know what the word “bias” means (as you're bolding crucial parts of statements that make the judge look like he acted wrongly even though he didn't, which seems hypocritical as you're talking about how this judge is SO VERY BIASED), but really that's neither here, nor there, nor is it really appropriate to discuss here, to be honest.

What I -do- appreciate is a birther who is actually able to hold a fairly intelligent conversation, even if he/she can't see that he/she doesn't understand the basic practices of law.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:22 am

I would like to play to “You Stupid” for 100 please.


JohnC
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

Prove it. Show one shred of evidence that Obama (1) had an Indonesian passport and (2) could not have used a U.S. passport at the time he traveled to Pakistan in 1981.

The State Department itself, along with contemporary news articles, all firmly stand for the fact that U.S. citizens were free to travel to Pakistan in 1981. Just saying there was a ban without proof does not make it so.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Okay Dotty, remember that you are dealing with a totally bass akwards thought process. They think it’s the other way around. BO is guilty until he proves himself innocent. But they are also delusional and if Marty McFly showed up with the Delorean and physically took these assholes back to the moment of BO birth so they could see it for themselves they still wouldn’t believe it. There is nothing that will satisfy these idiots


Matt Taylor
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:36 am

I’m serious, I can’t think of a single person where I know the hospital they were born in and the Dr. who delivered them.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:36 am

I’m serious, I can’t think of a single person where I know the hospital they were born in and the Dr. who delivered them.


Jimmy W.
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Soros founded these “[Fill in the city] Independent” online news sites.

Yes, the very thing you're reading.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:59 am

hahaha does he read them?
Just in case,,,
FUCK YOU SOROS!

Your man is going DOWNNNNNNN!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:04 am

Well, give her the fucking chance to prove it and have your illegal immigrant stop paying loads of money to supress it and keep it hiddin!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:13 am

This isn’t the Tracy who puts up racist statements on WEareSC is it? The one who said there was a conspiracy of Black Men to rape White women? That Tracy? OH MY GOD YOU ARE A LOON!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:13 am

This isn’t the Tracy who puts up racist statements on WEareSC is it? The one who said there was a conspiracy of Black Men to rape White women? That Tracy? OH MY GOD YOU ARE A LOON!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:15 am

Steve,

I know you are right. I'll try:

See judge. See judge rule. Rule, judge, rule.

See Orly. See Orly pay. Pay, Orly, pay.


Carolyn
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:25 am

Wow. She is an idiot. It takes a lot to get sanctioned, but she just blew it away. I'm amazed. I doubt this will deter her, but perhaps the California state bar will take an interest. Regardless of political affiliation, she is an absolute disgrace to the profession.

And Judge Land was appointed by none other than George W. Bush. Yeah, I'm sure he's a flaming liberal.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:38 am

Amazing your grip on reality is tenuous at best.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:38 am

Amazing your grip on reality is tenuous at best.


guywhowenttolawschool
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:03 am

You don't understand the law at all, do you?

Google the phrase “burden of production.” Then, the phrase “burden of persuasion.” Then, learn about how a plaintiff bears the burdens of production or persuasion, depending on the phase of litigation she is in, to avoid being thrown out of court.

It is very elementary, has been built into our justice system since its genesis, and does not change because you feel that a judge should give the “benefit of the doubt” to both sides.

And that's not even touching the separation of powers argument, which, as several people have more or less pointed out above, requires that the judge not interfere with the discretionary functions of the executive branch–like the deployment of soldiers. Even if the judge were inclined to follow the “dingbat birther rules of procedure” with regard to evidentiary matters, they still would never be able to give the plaintiff the relief they requested.

All in all, this case was frivolous from the get-go. Even if Obama were a Martian paedophile, the judge couldn't have let the case go forward.

You've lost the fight. The man is President. There are legitimate, non-xenophobic, non-racist reasons to take issue with his policies and the manner his administration is handling the wars overseas and domestic policy–focus your energy on those, will ya?


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:09 am

“Wow. She is an idiot.”

And chiropteran excrement insane.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:10 am

“There is nothing that will satisfy these idiots.”

Well put.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:13 am

Oily Taintz's arrogance and paranoid delusions are not working in her favor. I thought Judge Land was too kind.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:15 am

That's 22 more brain cells than I would have guessed.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Read this slowly a few times or get a sane adult to help you with the big words, oh paranoid, drooling eunuch:

“Before traveling to Pakistan, American Citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time per visa. Tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. Any traveler coming into Pakistan overland from India must repeat must have a valid visa, as 30 day visas are not repeat not issued at the overland border crossing point at Wagha.”

US State Department Travel Advisory for Pakistan in 1981, No. 81-33A

“Chosed One”? Your trailer park wants to borrow the tooth for steak night.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:27 am

That would be more idiotic slobber from Tracy.


mantis
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:36 am

Go back to whatever country you are from, and whatever screwed up legal system they have there. Leave ours alone. You clearly don't understand it.


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Tracy, we have been through this..Bad dog! Bad Dog!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Tracy, we have been through this..Bad dog! Bad Dog!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:56 am

MW -
I don't think Judge Land was being kind — I think he was being thorough, and as dispassionate as possible, because he knows that Orly will try to appeal the sanctions and he wants to be sure that his ruling withstands review (the last thing he wants is an “I told you so” from Orly Taitz).

What floors me about the birfers is this: if you asked them, “Should federal judges have the ability to interfere with deployment orders given to members of the U.S. Armed Forces by their superior commissioned officers,” they would likely say, “hell, no!” But they don't realize that Orly has been trying to get federal judges to do precisely that. All as a pretext for arguing about a President's qualifications for office — another issue in which the federal courts have no role under the Constitution.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:26 am

Well, that's not what it says in the birfer Constitution, because I have mine right here. They give you one free every time you visit Alice in Wonderland.


elitistpuke
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:40 am

The Obama administration really wants his phony Birth certificate covered up. He has spent millions already just to hide the fact that he was Not born in the USA, not to mention all the Court costs .


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:41 am

Nope that's the law. If you make an assertion in court. You have to prove it. You can't just walk in and announce you are insane (Well In Orly's case the thing does speak for itself). You have to prove it. Those are the rules of evidence. Sorry…But it doesn't prove that the judge is biased at all. By the way, Judge Land was appointed by George W Bush.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Where's your proof, birfer? Put up or STFU.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:54 am

Agreed. His wording was careful and well-chosen. (And yes, I was being sarcastic about the Judge being too kind.)

“While the Court derives no pleasure from its imposition of sanctions upon counsel Orly Taitz, it likewise has no reservations about the necessity of doing so. A clearer case could not exist; a weaker message would not suffice.”

Excerpt from Order Denying Motion for Recusal – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


RedGraham
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:58 am

I don't suppose this has much effect on Alan Keyes' case & the January 26th 2010 presentation of the Obama's supposed original BC & other documents in Judge Carter's court. According to an AOL poll, 85% of all Americans believe that Obama's birth certificate needs to be produced.


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:01 am

You heard it hear first folks. Orly is going to jail then for a psych evaluation!


jamescaesq
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:03 am

As a military and California attorney and Iraq war vet, I condemn both “Dentist” Taitz and Dr. Rhodes for their dishonoring of our country and military. Taitz got her law degree from an unaccredited CA law school and she works with a disbarred CA attorney – impressive credentials. She is an incompetent nut reveling in her flash of infamy (hasn't it been 15 minutes yet?). Rhodes knew when she became an Army officer and accepted those pay checks she might get called to deploy. Her refusal to follow orders of her Constitutionally sworn military commanders is a slap in the face of those of us who honored our oaths. Rhodes and Taitz spit on the graves of those who gave their lives for their country overseas. As for the whimsical musing of whether President Obama is a “natural born” President, we only know for sure the one Presidental candidate running in 2008 who was born outside the 50 states was Senator McCain. Would Dentist Taitz be arguing so strongly that Senator McCain wasn't qualified to be President had he been elected? The Constitution doesn't define “natural born,” nor does US law. Even if President Obama had been born outside the 50 states, he, as is the case with Senator McCain, were born to a US citizen. President Obama's father was not a US citizen, but, again, the Constitution says nothing about the nationality of a President's parents with regard to their being “natural born.” The confusion here lies with the need to distinguish between the “natural born” concept of the Constitution with regard to Presidential qualification and federal law addressing US citizenship. The two concepts are distinct. The conservative “birther” movement only emerged as a way for disgruntled extremists to whine their frustration at losing the White House. Their 15 minutes of infamy and defamation to the country and military are finished.


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:07 am

She has to prove her f*ing case you moron! She has to show cause as to why Hawaii's birth certificate is bogus which she cannot do because the shit she has as evidence is fraudulent. Look, we get you hate OB but dam get something legitimate to f*ing hate him about!!


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:12 am

Don't even bother, these nutters collectively have the IQ to toast bread LIGHTLY!! They have no appreciation for our laws or the constitution because for one thing they do not understand it and for another thing it cannot be arbitrarily changed to suit their specific agendas! Personally I am trying to convince them all to move to North Korea!


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:17 am

ROFLMAO!! Oh hell, that was funny!!


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:20 am

Well hello there Tracy! I knewI would find you in the valley of the stupid.


darthtater
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:26 am

That still might go over their heads…LMAO!


darthtater
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Actually she tried to include the Case in GA to show standing in the California case…it will have an effect. Also, there will be no presentation of anything in Jan. Judge Carter will rule in favor to dismiss as every other judge has. As Judge Land accurately stated, the courts has no jurisdiction, only Congress does.


darthtater
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:32 am

As great as this was, I don't want the show to end! =)


amish451
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:39 am

“There is a hard-core twenty to twenty-five percent of so-called Americans (“so-called” because real Americans would actually recognize and try to live by what the Bill Of Rights says) for whom this President cannot fail fast enough, be mud-dragged often enough, or in the darkest pit of their sick little hearts, be dead fast enough for their tastes. And every day he wakes up and they see his face sticking out beyond that white collar of his—that face being some seven shades darker that what they've seen all their lives doing what he's doing now, they go just a little bit more crazy.”

http://www.groupnewsblog.net/


dottylove
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:52 am

Someone has apparently slept for the last couple of months.

What other insane demands do you suggest obama spend his valuable time chasing after to satisfy your inability to comprehend the republicans have already confirmed he was, in fact, born in Hawaii.

What evidence do you have that says he wasn't? And would it hold up in court?

Orly's didn't. =)


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:31 am

Ahhh, Judge Land is corrupt.

Judge Lands Financial Disclosures have been problematic
Judicial Watch publishes the public financial disclosures of Judge Land. A number of them have had to be amended due to an apparent failure of Judge Land to keep track of his numerous investments.

In 2003, Judge Land had to follow a follow up report for failure to report various investments in Mirant Common Stock and Worldcom Common Stock.

His reports filed for the years 2003-7 list investments in many of the largest companies backing Barack Obama, such as Microsoft and Comcast.

In his 2004 report he also lists and investment with Time Warner, Inc..

In this 2005 report he lists salary from Buchanan & Land, LLP.

In his 2006 report he adds a follow up report, once again, for failure to disclose some 25 investments in Banks and Mutual Funds; in addition to his 62 other investments in a slew of companies. He also reported income once again from his law firm.

In this 2007 report he claims income as a self-employed lawyer, and that from his law firm Buchanan & Land LLP, along with 56 other investments in Mutual Funds, Banks and other industries and services.

It is difficult to understand how, with so many varied investments, Judge Land has managed to avoid conflicts of interest in the numerous cases he has heard. Moreover, seeing that many of these companies would be impacted if the laws signed by Barack Hussein Obama’s were declared null and void, on account of his lack of eligibility for office, it also seems reasonable to ask why Judge Land did not recuse himself in the case Rhodes vs. Mac Donald.


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:32 am

Here! here!! nicely put and thank you for serving our country.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:34 am

You have no clue what Judge Carter is going to do, SO SHUT UP!

You know nothing, so don't try to act like you do!

IDIOT!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:36 am

and where have YOU been for the last couple months? Orly's didn't? Orly STILL has a cse open…do some research first before you speak!


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:40 am

Yep! it would have been enough for the Soviet Union. What say we chip in and help to send her ass back there.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:41 am

Here's your proof!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWd2INPhL4


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Obama is the disgrace. You guys don;t see at all that he is FIGHTING this. For what reason, why doesn't he just show it and get it over with? Because he CAN'T, he will be busted if he does, Does anyone have a GOOD reason as to why he is HIDING IT?


Notamailorderlawyer
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:45 am

This is total nonsense. And it's spam, been posted here too many times. Just because you keep saying it won't make it true.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:47 am

Here is proof that the Hawaii one is fake:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…


Notamailorderlawyer
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:47 am

Darth is absolutely correct. Judge Carter will follow the law like all the other judges have who have booted Orly's azz out of court. Steel yourself.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:48 am

Everyone has their price!


Notamailorderlawyer
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:50 am

He's not hiding anything. Just because a small group of illiterates can't understand simple facts doesn't mean he's hiding a thing.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:50 am

lolol, YOU have no appreciation for our laws. You think it's fine that Obama is steppig all over our constitution!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:51 am

Well that was stupid comment..Ignore the fact that the rules of evidence require the person bringing the action to prove their facts and then claim the judge was bought.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:52 am

Oh and I guess you were there in Hawaii, when he was born. That is the ONLY way you would KNOW and you weren't, so shut it up!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:54 am

That's a hell of a lot of work to prove nothing. Look I do this for a living. First as one who works in County Recorder's office the type of form that is used can fluctuate depending upon the manufacturer. That is why the releasing party certifies it. The document released is an informational certificate. The unrestricted copy is released only to a select few people who are eligible to receive it. Hawaii uses an abstract. Other states such as california redact the original. What is important is that Hawaii certified it. If what this idiot was saying is true, then the State could bring an action for falsifying an official document. Notice that it hasn't!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:55 am

Judge Land was pissed because Orly started bringing out his problematic finalcial disclosures.
That is the only reason, he's not looking to good now.


SpacelySpaceSprockets
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:58 am

Look, we all know Tracy is a friggin lunatic. Birthers, as a rule, are self-deluded lunatics, but Tracy takes it to a whole new and fanatical level.

Doesn't understand the Constitution, has no clue about how the judicial system works, doesn't undertand the concept of Balance of Power between the Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches of government, doesn't know what a birth certificate looks like, has no basic understanding of rule of law, court rules or the concept of burden of proof.

The best thing about this is that it will continue for another seven or so years. Seems like an awful lot of time to devote to bashing your head against a proverbial brick wall. But Birthers were never known for their common sense.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:00 am

First time I posted it, so fuck off!


SpacelySpaceSprockets
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:01 am

It's gonna get tossed you stupid pirate hooker…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:01 am

In your dreams! He will be gone before long!

Kicked to the curb!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Don't worry, once he is booted out, we will still be here, rubbing it in your faces.


SpacelySpaceSprockets
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:08 am

Will you please stop talking about the Constitution as if you actually know what it is? You are barely literate, its a wonder that you have the ability to draw breathe without passing out on your keyboard every ten seconds.


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:09 am

Ommmm, Tracy we still know its you. All your previous post simply change to your new name they did not disapear. Go check for yourself.


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:09 am

Obviously you have never studied law. That is what a lawyer does. He (unless you Taitz) looks at the facts and tells you what the probable outcome is. The Court has no jurisdiction, the case will be dumped.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:11 am

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:20 am

Stupid, you mean you have to have help with your posts now?! Does your Sh*t for brains leaders have ready made responses for you idiots to run to for copy and pasting purposes? How sad, you dummies can't even read and formulate your own arguments.


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:23 am

Who the hell cares about and AOL poll. Some of you bat Sh*t crazy birthers probably sat there and answered it 5,000 times! Prove your dam case or shut the hell up.


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:31 am

Oh Gawd! Tracy, Tracy, Tracy……….you take stupid to new levels. You and Orly both need a psych evaluation. Oh well, your stupidity make good theater. So when this case gets thrown out help Orly get another one going and I'll bring the popcorn. LOL


littybell
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:42 am

Well damit, what is yours? How much would it cost for you to STFU.


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:56 am

did you even bother to look at the link right under that Youtube link you just posted? It takes that thing apart! Tracy…No! No! Bad Dog Tracy! Bad Dog!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:02 am

Again, you miss the point. That is a presumption by law. The judge is supposed to do that. Again, if you claim to be 6-4 and you claim somebody else is 6-4, you must prove that you are 6-4 and theat they are not. They don't have to prove anything to you. The burden of proof is on you. You can rephrase it all you want but that is the rule.

Let me put it this way, in a criminal case, if someone is charged with murder, he doesn't have to prove he is innocent. He is presumed as such it is prosecutions job to show otherwise. So if the prosecution comes into court and does not prove its case. The defendant does not have to say a word in his defense. He is presumed innocent. You don't prove it. He doesn't have to do a thing. He is then innocent.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:34 am

Two Kenyan Birth Certificates beat one Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth per Hoyle.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:39 am

You’re confusing her paranoid mind with facts and reason. Cognitive dissonance actually painful to small minded people.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:39 am

You’re confusing her paranoid mind with facts and reason. Cognitive dissonance actually painful to small minded people.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:39 am

Can anyone spot the delusion is this quote?
“According to an AOL poll 85% of all Americans believe…”
LOL


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:41 am

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:42 am

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:42 am

BWAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!

I lost an election and I just can' t deal with it

BWAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:16 pm

You ain;t got enough BITCH!


Orly gets fined. « Dating Jesus
Pingback posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:29 am

[...] it sounded like the court meant it: Counsel’s frivolous and sanctionable conduct wasted the Defendants’ time and valuable judicial [...]


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:23 pm

The condescension with which you preface your statement, 24, is quite funny in light of the irrelevancy of your point. Nobody cares what you THINK the judge ASSUMED.


Reading for October 14, 2009 - d i g i t t a n t e
Pingback posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:04 am

[...] here, as first posted by the Washington Independent, is Land’s full order. He builds on and expands the fine work in [...]


msdaisy
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:43 am

OMG, could you just imagine being the poor Doc that has to do that eval? Who ever it may be, they have my deepest sympathy!


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:17 am

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:19 am

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:19 am

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:20 am

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:22 am

Because internet polls are reliable? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! !

What a pathetic loon.

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:22 am

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:25 am

How many is it now? 55 frivolous, tax wasting cases dismissed?

You are dismissed! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! !
Freak.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:26 am

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:27 am

“Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so.” – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


Bither Slap-Down in Court « Btx3’s Blog
Pingback posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

[...] Oprah’s Interview of Mike Tyson Bither Slap-Down in Court October 14, 2009 Orly Taitz Sanctioned for $20,000 The “Birther queen” has been slapped with a five-figure fine for “wasting the judicial [...]


Anonymous
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

She has been given a chance, on more than one occasion. Each time she failed.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:33 am

More relevant to sane people:
“Thus, the legal matter from which counsel seeks recusal of the undersigned is the sanctions proceeding against her. While that proceeding will certainly affect Ms. Taitz’s financial condition, it is fantasy to suggest that these proceedings will in any way affect the fortunes of Microsoft and Comcast.
Furthermore, counsel’s suggestion—that if she were to succeed on her frivolous claim, and as a result the President were removed from office, that these two companies would suffer as a result–is so speculative and ridiculous that it is not worthy of additional comment. The Court must nevertheless remind counsel that she has been fired by her former client, who has made it clear that she no longer wishes to pursue the matter. Therefore, counsel cannot possibly succeed on her main claim that she maintains would topple Microsoft and Comcast because she has no means to appeal the Court’s dismissal of that claim.”

Excerpt from Order Denying Motion for Recusal – Judge Clay D. Land, United States District Court


Majority Will
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:37 am

It's pretty obvious most of them bash their pointy heads into actual brick walls. Slime mold and spores are more rational and intelligent life forms.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:37 am

One real authenticated certificate of live birth beats two fake Kenyan birth certificates according to the United States government.

Sorry, Cletus. That uppity negro is still our President.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:38 am

Want to bet?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:04 pm

Are you really THAT stupid? You think because I changed my name, that I am trying to hide…lolol, what idiots!!! You think I am new to the message boards. Bitch, I was using a PC, LONGGGG before you. I was heavily into computers way before windows even came out. I learned in DOS, before there were even any menu programs. We used to have billboards (BBS's) or like mini nets from around the area. So don't go trying to explain ANYTHING about computers, to me. I am Windows Certified and MOUS certified, so get off my back BITCH who thinks she knows it all.

I had to make it a little more “AGAINST” the ursurper…HENCE the name change! IDIOT!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:05 pm

Fuck off twerp!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:06 pm

bla bla bla


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:07 pm

we read and formulated it and it was soo good we hafta keep using it!

lololol


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:08 pm

You shut up skank!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:09 pm

ohhh that's new one…pirate hooker…pffttt


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:13 pm

And the guy PROVES all their allegations FALSE. This guy has debunked everything they threw at him…

Which is why Orly is going with it. It has been looked over by experts who see nothing wrong with it at all.

watch the other videos in the related over to the right that are titled debunked and you will see.


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

No he didn’t..That is precisely the point of the post under his..Reading Tracy its fundamental. Bad Dog. Bad dog..


self-promoting racists suck
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

So, will you be chipping in to pay Queen O RLY’s sanction, or are you going to use her travails to launch a palace coup and become King Of The Birthers?


Ryan
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

You learned in DOS? You do realize DOS came out after the internet right… You're so cutting edge that you refer to BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEMS(BBS) as billboards…And they are nothing like mini nets, they are exactly like forums…And you're Windows Certified? OH NOES that is such a tough certification to get. My 70 year old father could get windows certified. If you're going to attempt to stroke your ego, at least do a google search first.


Zoot
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

First time poster, just stumbled on here. I love this “ObamacornLies” person, what a total loser.

I feel dumber for having read their posts.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

Go eat some McDonalds, spacy tracy: it's brainfood for loons


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

Judge speaks and Birfer hears “blah blah blah.” Kinda like reading Shakespeare to my dog


sheldonrs
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

All this back and forth on the birthers claims are beside the point on this article.
The plain and simple truth is Orly Taitz is a complete moron with REALLY bad make-up sense. Helen Keller could spot that a mile away.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

lolol, DOS came after the INTERNET…

What a fucking IDIOT!

What a stupid fuck…

OMG SO FUNNY…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

AND, the internet could not have worked without DOS, you stupid ignorant fuck!

Now you are really showing your ignorance!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:11 pm

hahaha, you probaby had no clue what DOS was and looked it up. Must have been on one of your lying leftie websites.

IDIOT


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

Thanks but I don't eat at McDonald's. Would mess up my HOT figure!


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

and your disrespect for the office of President and this president himself makes you a racist jackass.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

This is the convoluted logic of Oily Titz which has been completely debunked by Judge Land. Pay up, slut.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

AOL? AOL? You should have polled WORLD NUT DAILY. More neutral. That is funny!


mantis
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

86-DOS (or QDOS) was created in 1979 for the Intel 8086. ARPANET saw it's first connection, between UCLA and SRI International, in 1969. The internet predates DOS by 10 years.

I would tell you to stop talking about things you don't understand, but you'd have to take a vow of silence.

Dumbass afterbirther.


annieoakley1959
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Typical of our lefty Judicial system! Trying to make someone on the right look bad because they refuse to accept documents and the truth regarding obama so his agenda can continue. Take them all down. This entire government including the s.c. needs to be removed from office. The democrats have admitted they didn't properly vet obama yet the circus continues. figures!


Guest
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:27 pm


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

Funny that Orly Taitz didn't ask Judge Land to recuse himself until after he had ruled against her client and had issued an OSC. If she really thought he was biased, the proper time to request recusal would have been before presenting the case to Judge Land. But that would be following the rules, which is something you birfers don't seem to understand.

Can you explain what part of Judge Land's ruling denying the TRO and dismissing the complaint is incorrect? Do you think that federal judges should interfere with deployment orders issued to officers in the U.S. Army by their superior commissioned officers? That's exactly what Orly Taitz was asking Judge Land to do — interpose himself between Capt. Rhodes and her superiors in the military chain of command. Judge Land said, “that isn't the role of the federal courts.” Why, specifically, do you think he is wrong?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Can you explain what part of Judge Land's ruling denying the TRO and dismissing the complaint is incorrect? Do you think that federal judges should interfere with deployment orders issued to officers in the U.S. Army by their superior commissioned officers? That's exactly what Orly Taitz was asking Judge Land to do — interpose himself between Capt. Rhodes and her superiors in the military chain of command. Judge Land said, “that isn't the role of the federal courts.” Why, specifically, do you think he is wrong?

Oh, and where specifically does the U.S. Constitution give an unelected federal district court judge the authority to judge the qualifications of the President of the United States? (Hint: the Judiciary is covered in Article III).


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

This one's really no dumber than the typical birther, just louder & drunker


rockfordil
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

Check out Judge David Carter in California. Discovery trial has been set for 26 January 2010. This will force Obummer to release what he is spending millions to keep closed. Long form B.C., passports, college transcripts and registration doc's. Bottom line, if this is all baseless, just show the doc's, it all goes away. Nothing to hide, soon we will see why he just won't show it.


jessica14
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

Those that truly believe this nonesense birther blathering are a symptom of the greatest problem facing our nation today: ignorance.


Jeff Stone
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

“The Clerk’s Office was burdened by Ms. Taitz’s inability to follow the Court’s rules regarding pro hac vice admission and the Court’s rules for electronic filing. On five separate occasions in a short period, the Clerk’s Office personnel error-noticed counsel for her failure to follow simple rules.”
She screwed up some paperwork ?!?!?! That is it ? Good Grief ! For that she gets a fine and a huge smearing of her character ?!?!?!?!? And the piling on in here is about how she looks ?!?!?!?!?

Good thing you all are perfect. Good thing the Judge is perfect ! Have no fear, his court has NEVER misfiled any paperwork – EVER !!!!

There are several members of the Cabinet with bigger paperwork gaffes(Geithner, anyone?). Hell, there are members of Congress with bigger gaffes(Rangel, anyone?) !

Keep attacking the questioners and they will all go away so that this farce is swept under the rug and the statist's dreams will all be realized.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

You birfers are fun to watch: the more you lose, the angrier, more irrational and more tangential your arguments become!

By the way, what is “the ursurper” — someone who pretends to be a bear?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

Read Judge Land's decision in this matter, please! She was not sanctioned for paperwork errors. She was sanctioned for bringing a lawsuit that was frivolous and had already been dismissed in another district court.

Can you explain what part of Judge Land's ruling denying the TRO and dismissing the complaint is incorrect? Do you think that federal judges should interfere with deployment orders issued to officers in the U.S. Army by their superior commissioned officers? That's exactly what Orly Taitz was asking Judge Land to do — interpose himself between Capt. Rhodes and her superiors in the military chain of command. Judge Land said, “that isn't the role of the federal courts.” Why, specifically, do you think he is wrong?


cobra2
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

99.9% of Americans can provide documents to prove they are American Born Citizens. There are way to many questions sorrounding this issue to just sweep it under the rug. I mean they can not find one person who worked at the Hospital that BHO said he was born at to verify his birth. Grand mother swore she saw his birht in Kenya. Funny now that Grandma Obama is off limits to the press. I mean come on folks. I am the same age as BHO and I could get 50 people to vouch for my birth. Not only will he not produce a real birth certificate, he will not release his college transcripts, documentation to show how he paid for his high education. The man had accomplished absolutely nothing in his life other then writing books about himself. Has a Law Degree but rarely practiced. Was a State Senator and voted present 80% of the time as to not leave a record/trail that could be used against him. Was a US Senator who started running for President as soon as he was elected. Helped his slum lord buddes with getting Federal Grants to fix up those delapitated homes in Chicago. Guess What? They are still in the same bad shape. So ok liberals, keep defending the man who is bringing this country down to it's knees as pay back to Whitey. Liberals Suck.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Non sequitur. What does Barack Obama's birth certificate have to do with Judge Land's decision to deny a TRO, dismiss the complaint, and sanction Orly Taitz? Orly Taitz was asking a federal district court judge to interfere with a deployment order given to an officer in the U.S. Army (Capt. Rhodes) by superior commissioned officers in the Army's chain of command. Judge Land said, in essence: (1) it is not the role of the federal judges to interpose themselves in the military chain of command; and (2) even if Barack Obama's qualifications for the presidency were somehow relevant to an Army doctor's deployment order, the federal courts have no role under the U.S. Constitution in determining the qualifications of the President.

How was Judge Land wrong?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Hey, kids, look! The creature in the basement is getting angry!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:09 am

O_0 DOS??? Who the heck cares about that any more??? LOL!!!

Yep…DOS is younger than ARPANET…and no, Gore didn’t invent either of those either…!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:09 am

O_0 DOS??? Who the heck cares about that any more??? LOL!!!

Yep…DOS is younger than ARPANET…and no, Gore didn’t invent either of those either…!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:11 am

Be nice…And Yes, Carter is going to dismiss…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:11 am

Be nice…And Yes, Carter is going to dismiss…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:12 am

LMAO!!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:12 am

LMAO!!


annieoakley1959
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

The Constitution is very clear of what qualifications the President of the United States needs in order to serve this country. Also, nobody, including the supreme court is willing to go against the mainstream which is a travesty. Since Congress didn't vet obama then the surpreme court should. Also, as far as a military member goes, the President is Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces. If obama is not a ligitimate president then he isn't the commander in chief and the military members DO NOT have to follow those orders! When our military take an oath, they take the oath to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foriegn and domestic. if obama is not qualified to be president, then he is giving unconstitutional orders. This issue needs to be addressed period. but the supreme court and everyone else is ignoring the fact that obama is the only president thus far who has refused to show proof of his birth not to mention citizenship.


Jim
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:19 am

TaterSalad: “Yep…DOS is younger than ARPANET…and no, Gore didn’t invent either of those either…!”

Not to be difficult, I was in grade school then, but couldn’t we credit JFK with creation of ARPANET as part of the investment in the space program he geared up? Then, with Gore of course, couldn’t we credit democrats for investing in technology that moved america forward and not be so scared of change they invent boogiemen? Man, now I’m sounding like a blower. “Never mind” (SNL)


Jim
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:19 am

TaterSalad: “Yep…DOS is younger than ARPANET…and no, Gore didn’t invent either of those either…!”

Not to be difficult, I was in grade school then, but couldn’t we credit JFK with creation of ARPANET as part of the investment in the space program he geared up? Then, with Gore of course, couldn’t we credit democrats for investing in technology that moved america forward and not be so scared of change they invent boogiemen? Man, now I’m sounding like a blower. “Never mind” (SNL)


mantis
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

99.9% of Americans can provide documents to prove they are American Born Citizens.

False. More than 0.1% of Americans are naturalized citizens, as opposed to natural born citizens. In fact there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 million naturalized United States citizens, or about 4% of the population.

There are way to many questions sorrounding this issue to just sweep it under the rug.

Actually, the only legitimate and pertinent question is why are you birthers so stupd and insane?

I mean they can not find one person who worked at the Hospital that BHO said he was born at to verify his birth.

Who can't? You?

Grand mother swore she saw his birht in Kenya.

No she didn't. Stupid birther lie, long since debunked.

I am the same age as BHO and I could get 50 people to vouch for my birth.

Names and addresses please. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!!!!11!!

Not only will he not produce a real birth certificate

Actually, he has. Dumbass afterbirther.

he will not release his college transcripts, documentation to show how he paid for his high education.

Why should he?

Has a Law Degree but rarely practiced.

Lots of people with law degrees don't practice law. That doesn't mean they don't accomplish anything. He did, after all, get elected president. That's a pretty big accomplishment.

Was a State Senator and voted present 80% of the time as to not leave a record/trail that could be used against him.

Absolute bullshit. You birthers have nothing but lies and forgeries. DIAF


mantis
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

The Constitution is very clear of what qualifications the President of the United States needs in order to serve this country.

Yes it is, and Obama met them. It's also very clear about how a president can be removed. Only the Congress can do that.

Also, nobody, including the supreme court is willing to go against the mainstream which is a travesty.

Call your representatives in Congress and urge them to start impeachment proceedings. No court can remove the president.

Dumbass afterbirther.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

I wouldn't expect any of these birfers to be able to answer your questions. After all, Orly Taitz is the smartest of the birfers, and she's proven time and again that she doesn't know anything about the law. My guess is that her followers are at least as ignorant as she is. If it isn't in the Constitution of the People's Republic of Birferstan, they don't know anything about it.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

Birfer
feel free to air your opinion of OB as a person, politician, president, bowler–whatever. What do any of these whiney gripes have to do with the ginned-up controversy which is the Birfer movement?
If you want to make a legal case for his ineligibility, rest assured–Orly is at your service.
My point is, why do any of you Birfers think that the unending mantra of invective which you hurl at the president, day in, day out has anything to do with the dispassionate technicalities of a legal motion? The answer, of course, is that your bottomless supply of alleged sinister Obama-crimes actually UNDERMINES the argument that your Birfer mission is sincere. Too subtle a concept for y'all?
BTW, cobra, this intrigue which you assert regarding how BO paid for college is a new one for me—-ok I'll bite: who paid his tuition? The commies? The Kenyan gov't? We can hardly wait to hear all about it…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:39 am

HAHAHA, you did have to look up DOS, which explains your BAD answer. You “thought” you got lucky and found a way around your ignorant false assumptions, but
NO, YOU ARE WRONG, Again

I wasn’t talking about the first established connection between two computers, ya dumbass. I am talking about the World Wide Web, where you ARE, right now!

ARPANET started with 4 fucking computers and was NOT accessible, to the public. It connected universities, research facilities and the military.

In 1983 ARPANET came up with USENET, Ethernet, CSNET and BITNET and an External Gateway Protocol that made it possible for separate networks to access each other, even though access to ARPANET “was still restricted for official use.”

In 1986, five supercomputer centers formed a network called NSFNET. Before long, NSFNET grew to include several universities in its network. Other networks began to consolidate into larger systems. People referred to this larger collection of networks and gateways as “the Internet”. The Internet still remained a resource for universities, corporations and the government.

SO, EVEN BY 1986, there was no internet, that you could have gotten on, unless you were with the government or part of a university, that was working with the government.

When I was about 10 (1977), we got a TRS 80. That thing didn’t have a hard drive and you used these cassette looking things, for games and programs.

Then we had a commodore 64, when they were brand new, whenever that was, but remember it well.

The first computer I used to connect to the BBS’s with, and this was before Windows even came out, had a 300 baud modem. That should tell ya something, or at least anyone who knows about OLD computers. It had a 1 mb hard drive. There was no MENU program (windows) as PC’s now have and there were no graphics , where you can click a button to do something, with a mouse. It was a command prompt and that was it.
You know like c:
and you had to manually tell the pc what to do. Instead of grabbing a file and dragging it to another folder, you would have to type:

copy c:mypictures*.* d:photos*.*

You probably have no fucking clue what I am talking about, but those who remember (chdir, del, mkdir, scandisk and assign) KNOW that I know, exactly what I am talking about!

Now, who’s the idiot?


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

I appreciate all the paid Obama bloggers who have taken up the hammer to whack the birther moles on this site. A small group of us started countering this nonsense months ago and the new group has done a great job of following up. Your checks will be in the mail soon, Ha Ha.

After dealing with these fellow citizens for this long you must realize that the birthers don't actually believe what the are saying. They do have an agenda and wish that their beliefs about the usurper were true. Facts and logic will not deter them because they are true belivers and they have an agenda, remove the President by any means necessary and stop the progressive agenda.

No one is listening to them and they are angry and you know how angry children behave, they throw fits. Look at the responses you get to rational rebuttals of their so called arguments. It is a sad existence to be a birther.

None of this is new, this type of angry know-nothing has been lurking in the dark underbelly of our society for a long time. They crawled out of their holes during the Civil Rights struggle and the Anti War struggle of the 60's. They managed to kill many of our leaders and supporters but they didn't stop the movement.

People were willing to stand up and face them down and show them for what they really are, cowards, with nothing to offer but their twisted paranoid beliefs.

The difference between the 60's and now is that then we were in the minority and now we are in the majority. Look at the responses on this site and elsewhere in the country to these types of attacks. They are outnumbered here and were outnumbered at the town-halls.

Responding to them is like, throwing pearls before swine.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:42 am

hahaha, thank you, but you are wrong too. Read up…

Oh no, there’s infighting with the lefty losers!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:49 am

AMEN!
just show the doc’s


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Did President Obama personally order Capt. Rhodes to report for overseas deployment? No. Her superior officers — commissioned officers in the U.S. Army did so. Again — do you think a federal judge should interfere in the military chain of command?

Read Article III. It describes the original jurisdiction of the U.S. Supreme Court. “Deciding the qualifications of the President” isn't part of that. Do you want the Supreme Court — nine unelected justices — to have the authority to remove an elected president from office? Under the Constitution, that can only be done by impeachment in the House, followed by trial and conviction in the U.S. Senate. The only role the courts have in that process, spelled out in the Constitution, is that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the trial in the Senate. But he or she doesn't have a vote.

It is an amazing system our Founders created. You should read about it some time.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

Steve,

AnnieOakley is the only one so far who has even tried to answer my questions, to her credit. But you are right — she does seem to confuse the checks and balances of the U.S. Constitution with the Birferstani Constitution (which apparently gives unlimited authority to the Supreme Court).

Any idea how the Birferstani Supreme Court actually goes about the process of “vetting” a President? Is it anything like the “burn the witch” scene in Holy Grail?


Paul
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

Was the $20K fine enough? Maybe when Taitz becomes a real lawyer she will appreciate what just happened. I wonder if she is a mail order bride, just like her law degree? She is perfect reporter material for “Fake News”, where unfounded rumors and innuendo reign supreme , unlike a our US courts of law, where you need to present facts.


mantis
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Your checks will be in the mail soon

Finally! I've been waiting and waiting. ;)


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

Great! But I'd like to arrange for direct deposit. That way I don't have to change out of my pajamas, leave the basement, or wipe the Cheetos and Mountain Dew off my face. ;-)


Anonymous
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Oh, so you are ancient as hell and in the throws of Alzheimer’s disease! Well that explains it! No wonder you have straw for brains and ramble to yourself all the time. Congrats on being Window certified but were you smart enough to buy Microsoft stock on the ground floor since you are old enough to have helped invent it and all. LOL!!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:38 am

You know Tracy, your dummer then the average birther.
You can’t even type your own ideas you have to have them fed to from the birther mother tits! Drink up you loon!!!


Notamailorderlawyer
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

No genius that is NOT why she was sanctioned, Judge Land included that because he took the freaking time to explain to any moron who might come along how costly birfer idiocy really is. Of course you will never read his opinion because that requires an attention span greater than that of a gnat and at least a 3rd grade reading level. Go crawl back under that rug you speak of until you have something relevant to say.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

Birferstan is a fascinating country: a legally valid “Certificate of Live Birth” from the State of Hawaii isn't evidence, but having “50 people to vouch for my birth” is.

I don't doubt that there were 50 people in the delivery room at Cobra2's birth. Doctor: “Hey, everybody, come and see the baby with two heads and no brain!”


Notamailorderlawyer
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

The only enemies of the Constitution I've seen lately are the birfers. The SC and the other federal courts aren't entertaining birfer insanity precisely because they follow the Constitution and the laws of this country.


Notamailorderlawyer
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Ooooh a potty mouth to go with a deficient brain! Good combo. Doesn't mean you're not spamming.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:36 am

After all of the complaints Orly's been racking up lately, I'd be surprised if she weren't disbarred by the end of the year. Her only hope for ever becoming a real lawyer is to have one of her split personalities re-take the LSAT, and then get into a real law school…a school where Constitutional Law, Evidence and Civil Procedure are required classes and not just hyperlinks on a message board.

At the rate she's going, she'll be the first lawyer to have her “law degree” burned in a drum by the head of the State Bar of California on national TV. I hear networks are already bidding for the broadcast rights.


jimbo
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:38 am

The judge through his statements and actions suggests Taitz is incompetent, and I would suggest any counsel who exposed him/her self to a $20,000 punishment is incompetent, as there is no upside to that action.

Why don't the birthers find competent counsel if they think they have a case? Is it possible that no competent counsel would take the case, hence Taitz's efforts? All of the pro-birther commenters maybe should consider this, and save their blather for something that makes more sense. Oh, never mind.


jimbo
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:38 am

The judge through his statements and actions suggests Taitz is incompetent, and I would suggest any counsel who exposed him/her self to a $20,000 punishment is incompetent, as there is no upside to that action.

Why don't the birthers find competent counsel if they think they have a case? Is it possible that no competent counsel would take the case, hence Taitz's efforts? All of the pro-birther commenters maybe should consider this, and save their blather for something that makes more sense. Oh, never mind.


iconaclastor
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:19 am

I can understand Judge Land being upset that Orly Taitz did not follow the proper court filing procedures but to say that case was frivolous is a biased statement against the highest law of the land, the Constitution, which states a President Elect should be qualified (Article 20, section 3) and you cannot be a legit Commander-in-Chief if you are not a legit President to begin with. Thankfully the current case in California has an ex-military Marine as a District Judge and he has said the case is important and needs to be resolved. The case is tentatively set for Jan 23, 2010 with attorneys Taitz and Kreep behind the challenge to President Obama's eligibility. Perhaps Orly Taiz will be vindicated when that court or another finally judges that Obama must produce his long form birth certificate.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Be sure to get the long form to prove your birth here in the States or else we might have to revoke your citizenship because we won't accept the standard practice form.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:44 am

You clearly know nothing about the law or the Constitution. Do you know what Orly Taitz was asking Judge Land to do? She was asking Judge Land to interfere with a deployment order given to an Army officer by her superior, commissioned Army commanders (NOT the President). Judge Land properly ruled, under established precedent of the federal courts, that a federal court must abstain from interposing itself in the military chain of command.

It was a ridiculous claim to bring, and had already been dismissed in another U.S. District Court. Or do you think that every member of our military who doesn't like an order from a superior officer should have a right to go to federal court?

And where in our Constitution does it say that federal courts get to determine the qualifications of the President? Look in Article III — it isn't there. There has to be an underlying justiciable case — a case the courts have the authority to hear.

I'm not sure why you think that Judge Carter is more likely to support Orly Taitz's claims. I will be surprised if the case survives the pending motion to dismiss.


Paul
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:55 am

Poor little Birthers, no court cases won, no one with a brain and common sense take you seriously, except maybe “Fake News”, where unfounded rumors and innuendo reign supreme, unlike a our US courts of law, where you need to present facts, not half baked lies (get ready for more defeats). After several times of flying into the lights, flies get burned, Taitz just got burned, thing is, like a fly she will continue, no end in sight. Poor Birthers they hate and can’t debate.

A lawyer, dentist, realtor, black belt, I must say she is a Jack of all trade master of none.


annieoakley1959
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:57 am

up yours asshole. how about i buy you a plane ticket to move to russia since that is your preference? congress DID NOT vet obama. i think it is funny how his real inaugeration was done in private rather than redone in front of the people the same day right after roberts screwed it up. who did he swear allegiance too? you are a dumbass and a koolaid drinker. keep drinking the koolaid you commie asshole.


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:22 am

If you don't know how things work. The least you could do is ask. Judges have thousands of pages of documents to read with massive numbers of arguments to keep track of. So as a consequence they set rules for the filing of documents. It is a lawyers minimum duty to meet those requirements. This helps the staff and the court AND the lawyers to keep track of those things. Nevermind she couldn't even do that! She raised frivolous arguments, demonstrated almost no knowledge how to make an argument in court. In short, she didn't know what the fuck she was doing from jump to finish. Her filings were bad, her arguments once you got passed the filings were bad AND she was warned to clean up her act. THAT is why she got fined. When the dog growls, ya might want to take the hint that it might bite.

In your case, reading is fundamental…Please invest sometime in a McGuffies Reader so that you can keep up.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:33 am

I also think it's funny how Santa Claus only brings me presents one day a year. If Santa Claus was real he would be bringing me presents seven days a week. That means Santa Claus is a fraud!

I DEMAND TO SEE SANTA'S BIRF SERTIFIKAT!


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:07 am

The court date is procedural. Look it up.
Dismissal is imminent.

Why? IT'S &%?$ing RIDICULOUS. GET A CLUE, YOU FREAKS.

And obviously you didn't read the Order Denying Motion for Recusal by Judge Land. So pathetic.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:08 am

“inaugeration”?

We're done here.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:10 am

The drunk tank is full tonight. I didn't realize they had WiFi for the crack whores.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:12 am

Your anger is welcome, little crack whore. Come to the Dark Side.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:14 am

There's always birfer/trufer Phil Berg. Oh yeah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg#Mal…

Never mind.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:15 am

I need new brown shirts and a better suite at my FEMA camp.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:21 am

“Grand mother swore she saw his birht in Kenya.”

How fucking stupid do you have to be to not be able to find the actual recording?

It's not difficult, douche nozzle.

The part WND lied about, douche nozzle:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

Why did WND lie? Here's the part that causes birfer's cognitive dissonance to explode into pain:
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2009/wndb…

“cobra2″ won't be able to handle it. It's too much for a birfer.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:23 am

The birfer cowards never reply when confronted with reason or demand of actual proof. Or they jump onto the Crazy Train like Orly.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:26 am

You have zero understanding of the Constitution and U.S law.

Stay in school and until you understand what you are saying, stop embarrassing yourself.


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:47 am

Now fellas, we are doing the best we can in hard times. You will all be paid with the money collected from Oily's fines.

We are in the process of choosing the appropriate garb for our Obama forces and are leaning towards the Grim Reaper look.

Suites at the FEMA camps are first come first served basis but all will be issued cattle-prods and tranqulizer guns depending on your training at Americorp Camp.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:32 am

Hi all my GOOD friends here. lolol

I am starting a new campaign to help Orly get the $20,000, just in case she is forced to pay by the US Attorneys Office, after Judge Land refers her to them for non payment. HOW IRONIC, that If counsel fails to pay the sanction due, the U.S. Attorney will be authorized to commence collection proceedings. Would this be the same U.S. Attorneys Office who is defending Obamacorn in the usurper trial? DUHHH…looks like they've thought this all out, but we will make sure she has no fine unpaid, if it keeps her from this California trial…THIS WILL NOT STOP ORLY!

What we have planned is to get 20,000 people, to send $1, in an envelope addressed to:

Clay D. Land
U.S. District Judge
Post Office Box 2017
Columbus, Georgia 31902

I mean, what is one dollar, plus a stamp and we know she's got way over 20,000 supporters, so that shouldn't be a problem. It would be sooo hilarious to see 20,000 envelopes with $1 bills inside, piled up in Judge Lands office. Keep your eyes out for the new video. YEE HAW, we can get her fine paid and have FUN while doing it.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:34 am

If you can't send a dollar, send a quarter. Hell, send a penny, the more envelopes the merrier…


littybell
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:46 am

NAH!! we'll, let you dumb as fu*k birthers clog up the court system with patty cake stupid sh*t. The rest of us have lives to live and you idiots are a funny diversion that we just can pop in to point and laugh at. But hay, knock yourself out 20,000 dollars is still 20,000 dollars and if you want pay that for your cult leader be my guest. Just keep the account open because if she keep filing these bogus court cases the money pit will deepen! LOL!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:54 am

YEE HAW
look up 'ironic' & try again, mouthbreather


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:05 am

Yes, I read the transcript from back in July and the Judge sounds like he is VERY interested and even MORE interested in doing it quickly. He even had it set up, so that Obama can't file an appeal. He seems to really like Orly and acts as if this is very important and should get done faster in his court, than any other. So why is he holding out on throwing out the MTD? Is he being talked to by Obama. He has made the January date FINAL.

See the transcript here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20757906/Keyes-Transc…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:08 am

BUSTED AGAIN! uh oh…lolol Forgot to scrub that article…BUSTEDDDDD
izzz zall comin oat…

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate (2004 article)

See the full article here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:13 am

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Obama busted!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:13 am

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Obama busted!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:14 am

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Obama busted!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:14 am

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Obama busted!


littybell
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:20 am

I see you still mumbling to yourself here. I go get the tranquilizer gun just hold still.


iconaclastor
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:28 am

We are only dealing with a specific case here where the President/Commander in Chief has not met the constitutional requirement to hold his office as yet not just any deployment of any soldier. My understanding is that the military is still subject to civil law in a court and to military law in a military court. There is no way to win the argument that Obama has yet to be Constitutionally qualified and I believe Judge Carter's case will bring discovery of the long form birth certificate at the very least and then Congress will have to do their Constitutional duty to deal with Obama's eligibility or else face the people of this country in mass against them from all political persuasions.


iconaclastor
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:37 am

The Judge Land case is over I am more concerned with Judge Carter's case still on-going. How people cannot agree that the Constituion requires a President to be qualified as to being a natural born citizen by Congress is what is hard to comprehend. It will happen eventually because there are too many patriots in the land.


Poor Orly | South Dakota Humanist
Pingback posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:57 am

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RedGraham
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:00 am

Globalist cover-up hiding Obama's past?
Posted: October 13, 2009 1:00 am Eastern
WND© 2009
by Mychal Massie
Barack Obama has spent (or had spent for him) between $1.8 million and $3.2 million in legal fees to keep his personal records secret. These include his birth certificate, his college records and all else that could provide more insight into his past.
But why? Who spends that kind of money to keep their records hidden unless they have something to hide? And if someone (especially a political figure, not to mention a sitting president) is willing to go to such lengths, it is reasonable to believe he has something to hide. It is reasonable to believe that whatever it is they are hiding would be damning if revealed. What could it be that Obama is so fearful of having revealed?


Got Freedom?
Pingback posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:50 am

[...] Washington Independent [...]


msdaisy
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:04 pm

So, let me see if I have this right. Birthers claim that BO was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya, or maybe Indonesia and that the BC issued by the state of Hawaii is a forgery, and the forged Kenya BC is actually the true BC. And even if he was born in Hawaii, which they claim he wasn’t he’s not a NBAC so still can’t be POTUS. Plus BO Sr. is not really his father, it was really Malcolm X, and his mother is not really his mother either. And because BO Sr. was a British citizen, BO Jr. is one too and not an American, but Malcolm X was born in Nebraska, but since BO Jr. mom is not his real mom, but is a felon and we don’t really know who his mom is he still is not a NBAC.

AND, he has multiple passports, SSN’s, and the WND (World Nut Daily) claimed he was not a citizen and that his BC was fake, then they said is wasn’t fake, then they said it was.

And all the birth announcements placed in the paper in 1961 were planted by his American grandparents so someday he could prove he was born there and be POTUS because his Kenyan Granny, who is not his actual Granny, said she was there in Kenya when he was born, but then she said she wasn’t.

And BO has spent up to $3.2 Million trying to hide the truth and the entire US Government, the state of Hawaii, the UK, Kenya, everyone at FactCheck, PolitiCheck and all the federal judges are all in on the conspiracy (that actually started in 1961) and Bo has an entire squad of brown shirts that intend to send anyone who steps out of line to BO’s secret FEMA concentration camps.

And the fine imposed by Judge Land is really to get money from birthers to help BO pay off his lawyers

And he’s really a British Muslim working with terrorists to take over this country and a Socialist and a Nazi who wants to guarantee abortions for all and death to seniors AND he isn’t even really black!

Does this sum up the basic accusations?

Damn, you people shouldn’t do so many drugs.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:44 pm

Most of the defense necessary in these lawsuits has been simply moving for dismissal or requesting summary judgment. PROVE that he has spent these sums, especially since a couple of his attorneys have said they are happily providing his defense pro bono.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:47 pm

So you believe a mistaken headline but refuse to believe TWO birth announcements from two different 1961 Hawaiian newspapers. Sounds like selective reasoning to me. You are suffering from delusions of adequacy.


mantis
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

I wasn’t talking about the first established connection between two computers, ya dumbass. I am talking about the World Wide Web, where you ARE, right now!

You wrote the internet, not the WWW, dumbass. Stop talking about things you don’t understand.

And yes, I was on the internet long before WWW. And yes, it was at a university.

Let me explain this to you. The first time you signed on to Compuserve or whatever was not the dawning of the internet. The world does not revolve around you and your delusions.

Dumbass afterbirther.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

YOU BELIEVE. That is hilarious. You are part of a very small minority. Deal with it.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:51 pm

Who vetted you, girlie? Obama's a commie AND a former CIA agent? A Muslim and a Christian? Which is it, dumbnuts?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

Ms Daisy that was amazing!
Now, once again from the top but this time with spittle flecks flying from your mouth, rage-reddened rolling eyes, jumping up and down and screaming at the top of your lungs .Okay, CAPS-LOCK on:

Your cue line will be
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


littybell
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:58 pm

NAH!! we'll, let you dumb as fu*k birthers clog up the court system with patty cake stupid sh*t. The rest of us have lives to live and you idiots are a funny diversion that we just can pop in to point and laugh at. But hay, knock yourself out 20,000 dollars is still 20,000 dollars and if you want pay that for your cult leader be my guest. Just keep the account open because if she keep filing these bogus court cases the money pit will deepen! LOL!


littybell
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

LOL!! Hilarious!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

UH HUH and what University, was THAT? What a fucking LIAR!

oh, and YES I said the internet and I MEANT the internet.

The first full specification of TCP that was written by Vinton Cerf, Yogen Dalal and Carl Sunshine, then at Stanford University. During the next nine years, work proceeded to refine the protocols and to implement them on a wide range of operating systems. The first TCP/IP-based wide-area network was operational by January 1, 1983 when all hosts on the ARPANET were switched over from the older NCP protocols, HENCE THE INTERNET!


cobra2
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

typical liberal crying fuck!!! As a 22 year combat Marine, I completely understand the situation. That fuckin idiot you voted for is nothing but a funckin punk who has accomplished nothing other then convincing stupid fucks like you to vote for him. How proud you must be. Get your ass back to class punk!!

________________________________


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

Don't miss it guys, today at 3:30 ET
She is starting to be heard.
You go Orly! Gotta get that word out!

http://www.prlog.org/10376476-dr-orly-taitz-to-…

Listen here LIVE: http://1320warlradio.com/Home.php


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

Great idea! Given that a stamp now costs $0.44, you birfers will be spending $28,800 to discharge a liability of $20,000. You are absolutely brilliant.

In addition, because the liability belongs to Orly Taitz, discharge of that liability by anyone else creates taxable income for Orly Taitz. Thus, the federal government will get the $20,000 penalty, the U.S. Postal Service will get $8,800 in postage, and the IRS will collect, oh, probably $4,000 to $5,000 in taxes from Orly.

Thanks for your support of our federal government and the Obama Administration.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

2006 Hawaii article
“Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively.”

Full article here:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

I owe you a sincere apology. I missed the section in Article I of the Constitution where Congress is authorized to “vet” Presidents. Silly me. I thought that is what elections were for. Must be the koolaid. I bow to your thorough knowledge of our system of government.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Cool, but still only costs me $1.44. Think I can handle it, chump!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

Whirled Nut D'Orly — there is an authoritative source of information if ever I have seen one. Thanks for the chuckles!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

LOLOL

Damnn, how much evidence do we need?

The brothers Edwan — Monir and Hasam — hail from Rafah, GA. That's GA as in Gaza, not Georgia, contributed a whopping $29,521.54 to Senator Obama's campaign, more than 13 times the legal limit that applies to American citizens.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/…


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

I don't doubt you can afford it. And I seriously like your plan. Let money in the hands of birfers, more in the hands of the Obama Administration. Thanks!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Sing it, birfers:

“What the world needs now
Is More Or – ly
That's the only thing
That there's just
Too little of”


MN_independent
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

I agree with Tom Delay – I want to see Obama's gift certificate.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

So you have one news article saying Obama was born in Kenya, and one saying he was born in Indonesia. Wow. I guess that proves that the press is always right.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

If I “borrow” this for a future post, I'll be sure to credit you.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

THAT'S NOT SANTA'S BIRF SERTIFKAT!

STOP DRINKING EGG NOG-FLAVORED KOOL AID!

SANTA WEARS RED BECAUSE HE'S A COMMIE!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

It gets better. If you look at OL's more recent posts, OL also believes that Obama was born in Indonesia (because a newspaper supposedly said so in 2006). Barack Obama deserves to be President just by virtue of the unprecedented feat of being born in both Africa and Asia. But so far, no reports of Obama being born in Europe, Australia, or Antarctica.


mantis
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

Yeah! Has it expired? Did he use it to buy gifts for others? WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!!!!11!


mantis
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Damnn, how much evidence do we need?

Any. You have none.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Sure, spread the love… (Gotta love them birthers!)


msdaisy
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Sure, spread the love… (Gotta love them birthers!)


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

Nope, just proves were researching and digging deeper and getting closer to the truth. I'm actually beginning to think he could have been born in Hawaii, but because his father was Kenyan, that made his citizenship, follow his father. But, when he was adopted by Soetoro, he was then an indonesian citizen, as stated and proven on his elementary school records, which also states that he is muslim. Obama admitted to going to Pakistan in 1981 and it is said that he used an Indonesian passport, which would all make complete sense since Americans weren't able to travel to Pakistan, during this time. He is hiding something and it definitely has to do with him being eligible or NOT being eligible, I should say.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

That's it, change the subject…I would too…


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Thanks for the clarification. In other words, if the State of Hawaii were to release a “long form” birth certificate for Obama, you still don't think he is qualified to be President under Article II, Section 1. Again proving that nothing will satisfy birfers.


MN_independent
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

This has nothing to do with being born in Kenya. This has everything to do with Obama being black.
There would never be a birther movement if under the same type of circumstances, Obama was (in the eyes of racists) white. What if Obama's dad was a white South African who left when he was two and then died, but his mother was the same. No one would ever questions Obama's citizenship.

The only thing fake in this debate is what passes for ” birthers ” brains. And at this point, whatever dividing line there was between mainstream conservatism and the black-helicopter crowd seems to have been virtually erased.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

You mean the same way that birfers have changed the subject from “He was born in Kenya” to “He was born in Indonesia?”

But wait…that would make the birfers a bunch of delusional hypocrites.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

And it better not be the short-form gift sertifikat either. The Constitution says that you have to show the long form.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

dang, cornhole, you sure are clever the way you call those sneaky anti-Birfers out on changing the subject away from:
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Guest
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:08 am

Majority Will gave you facts, and you responded with blather. Kind of tells the world that Majority Will was right. “Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” Nice job.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

All we know is he AIN'T eligible to be President, HERE. Who the fuck cares where he came from, but he sure has NO right leading THIS country!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

well, red, I think the conclusion is obvious: I still have my old care-worn VHS of the Clinton Chronicles, the bombshell expose' of all of Bill & Hillary's various sinister activities such as: killing Vince Foster before he could reveal that, uh, I forget what he was about to reveal—whatever, and the drug-running operation Bill ran out of a small airstrip in Arkansas and the dozens he killed to silence them, and then he killed Paula Jones—-wait, she was just braindead—whatever.
My point is, Bill C killed at the drop of a hat so of course we can expect AT LEAST that from Obama who's even more super evil than Bill & Hillary. Now that you are asking all of these hard questions I guess I can expect you and all your Birfer friends to show up dead any minute now. Heck I'm worried 'bout y'all. Keep checking in with me, k? If I don't hear from you regular-like I'm gonna assume the worst. Oh sorry—guess it's gonna be tough to sleep from here on out without one eye open all the time but, anyway: hang tough Birfer!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:19 am

“If journalists could make a mistake – could those people hiding behind the
“factcheck.org” be wrong too?”

Yes, they could be wrong but it’s unlikely. Since they got the information from an official Hawaiian state document, maybe Hawaii was wrong, too. Since one of Hawaii’s jobs is to keep track of important vital records (after all the state does have an entire department dedicated to this), I trust that their record keeping is a lot less sloppy than any journalist.

“The following question is important:
Can you claim with 100% certainty that ALL COLBs issued by DoH list the same birth place as recorded in the original vital documents, without any exceptions?”

No I can’t, and even if I did it wouldn’t matter because you don’t have any evidence that proves that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii. And unless you can show a valid reason as to why Hawaii would essentially falsify it’s own documents, then that question isn’t as nearly important as you think it is.

If you could think of a reason, that would go a long way towards supporting the allegations that you make, and since the birfers are the would-be plaintiffs here, that burden falls solely on the brilliant mind of Orly Taitz.

In other words, can you claim with 100% certainty that Barack Obama was NOT born in Hawaii, and that there is no possibility that he could have been born there, without any exceptions?

Can you claim with 100% certainty that Hawaii did NOT list the same birthplace on Obama’s COLBs as it was recorded in the original vital documents?

That burden of proof isn’t gonna meet itself.


mantis
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

He came from here, and he is president. Too bad for you, crazy afterbirther.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

no he aint
he done got no raght, no raght ah tell yu
sheeeit
hit me again barkeep—-HEY! dont yew be stingy with that sterno, dam yew!
a-hilk!


mantis
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Wow, everything you just wrote, except the part about Obama being born in Hawaii, is total bullshit.

Kenyan citizenship – Bullshit
Adoption by Soetoro – Bullshit
Indonesian citizenship – Bullshit
Muslim – Bullshit
Indonesian passport – Bullshit
Pakistan travel ban – Bullshit

The bullshit is up to your eyes, afterbirther. Get a shovel.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Yes, no matter the facts, no matter the law, “all we know is he AIN'T eligible to be President, HERE.”

And this “knowledge” follows inexorably from this syllogism:

(1) A black man has no right to lead our country, no matter how many votes he gets.

(2) Barack Obama is a black man.

Therefore,

(3) Barack Obama has no right to lead our country, no matter how many votes he gets.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Well, I guess you got me there. After all, two kenyan birf sertifikats can't be wrong.

Just to be on the safe side, you guys may want to go back on eBay and bid for a few more. You can't be too safe these days, what with all the kenyan muslim british usurpers running around.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Okay cornhole (I like that chrisjay!) You stated, “we all know he AIN’T eligible to be President.” Actually “WE” all know he “is” and you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

BUSTED AGAIN! boy o boy how many times do we have to bust this guy? We bust him every single day but he keeps being our President. Why won't he just stop already? We're getting tired of busting him again and again and again.
oh, almost forgot: lolol


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Obama's high school classmate claims he was born abroad.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

A masterpiece.

Oh, and Bill Ayers conspired to scrub from the internet all of the references to Obama's true place of birth. Because prior to 2004, the internet was chock full of references to Barack Obama's true place of birth.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:10 am

My question was not a trick one. I am not talking about falsifying documents but legal reasons why a place of birth on those two documents might be different.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

It was a Dem party candidate for US Congress and Obama's high school classmate who said that Obama was born in a foreign country:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

How did she learn about Obama's birthplace? Did Barry lie in high school – or is he lying now claiming Hawaiian birth?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:23 am

According to Hawaii laws at the time it was possible to register birth based on an affidavit from a relative.
A grandmother submits the registration to DoH, which sends the list of registered births to the newspaper.

A simple affidavit could have been the source of both COLB information and newspaper announcement.
No need for conspiracy theories.

The key to verifying the Obama’s claim of Hawaiian birth is cross check between the original birth certificate on file with DoH and Kapiolani Hospital records.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Kinda makes the Birthers sound like a bunch of circle jerks! LOL!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

You are wrong (of course). The article does not quote Tammy Duckworth saying that Obama was born in Indonesia. The author of the article, working on deadline and looking for information on the web, found something that said Obama was born in Indonesia. He has admitted he had no real factual basis for the statement and that is in error.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

I’m betting you are right on the money with that one! Hay, I just read that a Judge in Louisiana is in deep Kimchi for refusing to marry an inter-racial couple. Do you suppose Orly will give him a try after Judge Carter tosses her out on her duff?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

It is an interesting claim that a journalist made an error. Can you provide a link with the retraction?

If we accept your explanation at face value, how do you explain the fact that multiple journalists made errors about Obama's birthplace.

There were no such errors about other recent presidential candidates.

It is very easy to verify Obama's claim of Hawaiian birth. Compare the DoH records with Kapiolani hospital records for August 4, 1961.


MN_independent
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

It couldn't hurt. Then Orly and the Judge in Louisiana can both be in deep Kimchi together.


self-promoting racists suck
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

no it wasn't, liar.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

WRONG, I would have no problem whatsoever with Michael Steele being President and he is OH NO, BLACK! Condi Rice, would work for me too. And I also wouldn't have a problem with Harold Ford, Colin Powell or Colonel Allen West. Hell, I'd rather have Jimmie Walker than Obama!

Trumped out that race card!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

Are you saying that Honolulu Advertiser printed lies regarding Obama's birthplace?
Why would they do that?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

Oh and the racists are actually the RACISTS…

The Democratic Party: (1) fought to keep blacks in slavery; (2) started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize Republicans–black and white; (3) passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws; (4) fought every piece of civil rights legislation from the 1860's to the 1960's; and (5) attacked Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and other civil rights protesters with skin-burning fire hoses and vicious dogs.

While hiding the racist past of the Democratic Party, Obama refuses to give credit to the Republican Party that: (1) started in 1854 as the anti-slavery party and fought to free blacks from slavery; (2) amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote; (3) started the NAACP to stop the Democrats from lynching blacks; (4) passed the civil rights laws of the 1860's that were overturned by the Democrats when they took over Congress in 1892; (5) founded the HBCUs; (6) started affirmative action enforcement in 1969 to help blacks get jobs and contracts based on merit; and (7) fought the Democrats for over six decades until Republicans finally achieved passage of the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's under the leadership of Republican Senator Everett Dirksen of Illinois.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:46 pm

You may want to go back and re-read that article; Duckworth never said that Obama was born in Indonesia. The quote never came out of her mouth. The only Duckworth herself said was that they share a connection.

And how is it that you apparently know how to type, yet manage to fail completely at reading comprehension? Did you realize that you were illiterate before you posted this article, or are you just realizing that you're illiterate now?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

lolol, yeah sure…don't believe that excuse for a second..


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

“There were no such errors about other recent presidential candidates.”

Can you provide proof that no other journalist has made an error about a president's birthplace? Have you read every article ever written about a president? That would be the only way that you would be able to know for sure.


MN_independent
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

I think Michael Steele was adopted, so his parental lineage and background and his birth certificate could be a murky situation. Maybe HE was born in Kenya too.

I ask you – What if Obama's dad was a white South African who left when he was two and then died, but his mother was the same (a white Kansas woman) If that was the case, would you be questioning Obama's citizenship?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

You totally missed the point, but I guess that was your intent. It was a black thing you IDIOT, not an ORIGIN thing. I listed those people, because they were BLACK and saying I wouldn't have a problem with them being President, therefore proving is isn't a racial thing. If Obama was ALL white and was a republican and was doing the shit that Obama is, I would be on them TOO.

And, it wouldn't matter what COLOR his parents were, if they BOTH weren't US citizens, then he can't be a natural born citizen…That make him illegitimate to be president, right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

This just in, The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that, yes, Dewey did defeat Truman.

“Well we had to, it was in the paper, after all” said Justice Clarance Thomas.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

Breaking birther news:

“Dr. Orly Taitz will be giving a radio interview on Providence radio station WARL AM 1320 with talk host Charlie Profit on the Charlie Profit Report Thursday October 15, 2009 at 3:30 PM. Among topics that will be discussed: President Obama's citizenship and whether he meets the minimum requirements to be President; a newly found Kenyan newspaper article from 2004 which states Obama is Kenyan born; and the document Dr. Taitz claims is a notarized copy of of Barry Soetero's (President Obama's birth name) Kenyan Birth Certificate. “

LOLOLOLOLOLOL


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

To the best of my knowledge no journalist has missed the COUNTRY of birth for any other recent presidential candidate except for Obama.

It would be very easy to remove any doubts by releasing the long form birth certificate – we need to help poor journalists make their stories correct. We do not want them to confuse the public.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

Well the Supreme Court disagrees with you. so go pound sand


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:20 am

That’s a common problem for people who were born a Kenyan-Brit, possibly in Hawaii, and then adopted in Indonesia as a Moslem.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

Damn, I just can't keep up with all of the birfer developments. So now Obama's “birth name” was “Barry Soetero” even though his mother didn't marry Lolo Soetoro (correct spelling) until 1966 or 1967. Clearly, the birfers have developed the ability to alter the forward movement of time. Thanks for the info.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

So your opinion is that he can't be a natural born citizen, even if born to an American mother in the United States. Why, then, do you care about seeing his birth certificate?

And Antibirther is correct. You are totally wrong on the law.

Must suck to be you.


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

“To the best of my knowledge no journalist has missed the COUNTRY of birth for any other recent presidential candidate except for Obama.”

So you admit that you don't know. Thanks, that what I was looking for.

“It would be very easy to remove any doubts by releasing the long form birth certificate – we need to help poor journalists make their stories correct. We do not want them to confuse the public.”

Oh, it all makes sense now! First it was “democracy” and the “Constitution…”now Obama should ignore the fact that the entire world has had a chance to see Hawaii's official document that states that he was born in Hawaii because JOURNALISTS will have a hard time getting things right. That's an incredibly weak argument, but look on the bright side: at least you still have those nifty kenyan birf sertifikats to fall back on.

I bet if you guys hurry to eBay right now, you can probably pick up a couple of indoneeshun birf sertifkitats too, just to be on the safe side.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

The article clearly says that Obama was born in Indonesia. How do you know who is the source of information? I assumed that journalist got those facts from her because she was obviously the source for other information printed in that article.

You chose to ignore the main point of my post: The claim that Obama was born in a FOREIGN country.

Do you still suppoprt hiding of the long form birth certificate from US public?


Steve_X
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

This is exactly what you wrote:

“It was a Dem party candidate for US Congress (endorsed by Obama) who said that Obama was born in a foreign country.”

You were wrong. That's not my fault, so don't take it out on me. In the future, take the time to actually READ the article; that way, you won't have to worry about making up quotes that don't exist.

As to the “point” of your post, I trust Hawaii's Official COLB over a newspaper article any day of the week. After all, how do you know who is the source of the newspaper's information?

Do you still support completely ignoring the fact that, under the Federal Rules of Evidence, Obama's COLB is prima facie evidence that he was born in Hawaii, and that the burden is on the birfers to prove otherwise?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:06 am

I could play the same parse-the-word game with your post:

“..entire world has had a chance…”

Can you prove that the ENTIRE world has had the chance to see the COLB document? How about those poor people without access to modern communications?

Back to reality.
We are human beings not computers. Computers are dumb – oblivious of intent and the meaning of the sentence. We use brain to understand what other peron is trying to communicate. We see forest instead of focusing on individual tree.

The argument for helping journalists does not fall into the “either/or” category.
It is in addition to other reasons for verification of the birthplace data.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:07 am

You wouldn't have a problem with Colin Powell being President? He was born in the United States to Jamaican immigrant parents. I believe his father was a British citizen all his life (Colin Powell petitioned for a British coat of arms, which was granted to his deceased father who as a British citizen was eligible). So, why is Colin Powell o.k., but not Barack Obama? Why?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:15 am

Wow, went over your head, as well. You people REALLY are stupid, I thought it was kind of an act, but NOPE…ya really are that stupid!

I didn't search any of the ORIGINS of the people listed, because that wasn't my point. My point was that they are BLACK and IF eligible (politically correct) then they would replace Obama, FOR ME! So, NO, it is not a racial thing!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:20 am

NO, YOU are wrong on the law!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:21 am

Says who? The supreme court hasn't heard the case yet!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:22 am

If the journalist is the source of the claim of foreign birth – than my statement is wrong.

The main fact (relevant to our discussion) is not disputed – claim of Obama's foreign birth.

If journalists could make a mistake – could those people hiding behind the
“factcheck.org” be wrong too?
They never mentioned what methods they used to verify the COLB document. How can we trust them.
Basically you are asking us to take their word as a proof.

You are starting from the position of a believer – COLB is valid and it proves Hawaiian birth.

My position is different. After seeing so much contradictory information about Obama's birthplace I am a sceptic.

The following question is important:
Can you claim with 100% certainty that ALL COLBs issued by DoH list the same birth place as recorded in the vital documents, without any exceptions?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:22 am

If it weren't for republicans, Obama wouldn't even be able to be where he is right now, illigitimate or NOT!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:25 am

Hawaii's official document, MY ASS! That is a total forgery!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:27 am

And Obama says he is tired of the lies and smears, so he can easily stop all this talk, BY SHOWING THE FUCKING BIRTH CERTIFICATE!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Just so it is clear, then. Cornhole bases eligibility for the Presidency on political views, not on the requirements of Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. The Cornhole White House: No liberals need apply. They aren't “eligible.”


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:45 am

I'll put my law degree and 20 years of law practice up against your GED any day. By the way, I love it when I see you start to lean on the capslock key. It tells me that I'm getting under your skin. Makes my day.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:46 am

NO, that would be YOU! LOLOL

That's exactly what we are trying to tell you, HE doesn't fit the requirements in Article II section I, you are finally beginning to GET IT!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Why? You say that he isn't eligible for the Presidency even if he was born in Hawaii. So the birth certificate is irrelevant, isn't it?


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:52 am

Send an email to Will Hoover, who wrote the article. He wrote another in early November 2008 in which he addressed the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.

And if you are going to trust the Honolulu Advertiser, why don't you believe the birth announcement the newspaper published in 1961?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:52 am

Law degree, LOLOLOL
Don't make me laugh, lololol
And the caps lock is mainly because it's easier that using quotes, I'm trying to stress the words, that's all…

Nobody bodders meeeee…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BmvJ3tDW78


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:53 am

If you could just use more capslock, you'll persuade the world, cornhole.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:56 am

U.C. Berkeley, 1988. Law Clerk to the Honorable Malcolm M. Lucas, Chief Justice of the California Supreme Court, 1988-89.

Must suck to be stuck at home with your GED.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:56 am

Nope, that birth certificate along with alllll the other documents, that he has sealed, hold the key to his illegitimacy, which is why he is gaurding them, with his life!

Mark my words!


Steve_X
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:57 am

And as luck would have it, the president's “birthplace data” is listed on his COLB as Honolulu, Hawaii.

Wow, wasn't that easy?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Yeahhhh, and Obama was born in Hawaii!

LOLOL


Steve_X
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:59 am

And exactly who has proven the COLB to be a forgery…the experts that troll the message boards at WND? Or is it convicted felon and disbarred lawyer Charles Lincoln? Maybe Eric Holder told her that it was a fake when he came into the coffee shop a few weeks ago; you know, when he improperly influenced Judge Land to follow the Constitution as written.

Not that it matters. It's not like the American court system makes the plaintiff submit admissible evidence to prove his case.

Oh, wait…yes it does. My bad.

At least you guys still have Lucas Smith to vouch for the credibility of one of your many kenyan birf sertfikats. If you're interested, I know a guy that can make you as many birf sertifikats as you need. They don't even have to come from Kenya!

You may want to order more than one. After all, even if Hell freezes over and you do get discovery, your burden of proof won't meet itself.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:09 am

Glad you finally agree.


‘Birther Queen’ Fined $20,000 – «
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bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:35 am

And the Department of Justice will present the Certificate of Live Birth, which is “self-authenticating” under Rule 902(4) of the Federal Rules of Evidence. That will just suck for the plaintiffs.

Hey Orly: read Rule 902(3) and try to figure out how you are going to get an admissible “foreign public document”.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:45 am

1. Can you say with 100% certainty that ALL COLB documents show the place of birth exactly the same as the one stated in the original birth certifiacte, no exceptions whatsoever?

2. Can an image posted on the web be used as a proof of anything?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:13 am

In your distinguished career – have you ever seen a case where court accepts an image posted on a web as a proof of a certain fact.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:21 am

1898, United States v. Wong Kim Ark


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:57 am

Fourteenth Amendment – Rights Guaranteed Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process and Equal Protection

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
__________________________________________________

NO WHERE in there does it say that BOTH parents have to be US citizens. In fact, the open interpretation has allowed for children born in the United States to illegal immigrants to become U.S. Citizens; “natural born” as you like to call it.

If he was born here, he's a citizen


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:01 am

Yeah…no. Read your article and that's said no where in there. The only thing mentioned about Obama is that both people went to school together in…

wait for it…

Hawai'i


RedGraham
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:13 am

Perhaps MN_independent can explain columnist Mychal Massie & Alan Keyes being black 'birthers'?


RedGraham
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:26 am

This excerpt is from an old African paper called The Monitor
Uganda: Citizens Form Obama Support Group
Grace Matsiko
16 February 2008
Kampala — Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan born-senator, Barack Obama for the US presidency.
The Obama Solidarity Group (OSP) launched its campaign at Makerere University on January 18, according to one of the members.


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:41 am

Bearclaw, don't you just love the circular logic?

I think i GET IT now, and it's gonna require medication.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:55 am

Cornhole: your professed admiration for JJ Walker explains lots LOL
DY-NO-MIIITE!!!!!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:59 am

Yep, Cornhole, so very many of your, um, utterances certainly go right over my head…
so what the hell does “BLACK and IF eligible (politically correct)…” even mean????


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Huh? Cornhole, I havent been able to figure out a single one of your postings lately–outside of 'lolol'. Oh, and LOLOL.
please focus


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:14 am

I think you've answered your own confusion with the observation that multiple journalists made ERRORS about POTUS' birthplace.

You are incorrect n your assertion that no such errors have been made about other candidates:
McCain's birthplace has been mis-attributed to the contiguous 48 states numerous times; GW's birthplace used to be routinely reported as Texas;I'll probably find you more with minimal perusing…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:19 am

Clearly, your 'doubts' and misapprehensions are too stubborn to be cleared up in the arena of logic and reason—you are the walking definition of disingenuous—No matter how stubborn a Birfer is, he will ultimately discover that the facts won't step aside simply to accomodate delusion and/or insincere claims.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:22 am

'back to reality', says naturalized: Since when?


RedGraham
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:22 am

Then there's this too.
Big Issue | Financial Standard | Maddo | Pulse | Style | Society
Sunday, June 27, 2004
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.
Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.


LT Saloon |  Judge: Birther Queen Orly Taitz ‘Borders on Delusional’
Pingback posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:37 am

[...] she continues her baseless attacks on the Court.’” – David Weigel, “Orly Taitz Sanctioned for $20,000,” Washington Independent, Oct. 13, 2009. Arrogance, Birth Certificate, Birthers, Cartoons, David [...]


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:46 am

People have doubts when given contradictory information. We have reports of Obama's birth in three countries. I did not write those.

It does not help that Obama has been very secretive about his biography – there is a minimum paper trail that could be used to verify claims from his autobiography books.

The facts you are talking about are Obama's invention.
The easiest way to prove his Hawaiian birth would be a release of the original long form birth certificate.


BartBlog - The Blog of BartCop.com » Judge: Birther Queen Orly Taitz ‘Borders on Delusional’
Pingback posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:50 am

[...] she continues her baseless attacks on the Court.’” – David Weigel, “Orly Taitz Sanctioned for $20,000,” Washington Independent, Oct. 13, 2009. This entry is filed under Commentary, Opinion, Toon. You [...]


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:26 am

You chose to ignore the sentence claiming Obama's Indonesian birth.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:22 am

Could you educate us why there are two types of COLBs issued by the DoH.
One of them (Obama's) uses phrase ” Filed by registrar”, and the other type uses phrase “Accepted by State Registrar”.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

This is true. Back in 1998, I can recall reading an article on the Weekly World News website that claimed Obama was born on Mars. Eleven years later, that article is no longer anywhere on the entire internet. Coincidence? I think not!


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:41 am

Of course it is not there any more. The sentence has been deleted earlier today.
Just as I predicted. Obama's Internet scrub squad at work.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:43 am

The Obama truth squad removed the Indonesian birth sentence from the article. See it for yourself.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 10:32 am

Let me answer something for all you bird brained Birthers. You continually ask to be shown the LONG FORM. There are three reasons you will never see that. 1. The BC that Obama has already produced IS in fact a legal State issued BC. 2. It has already been verified by the State of Hawaii as authentic and accepted by the US Government as valid. PERIOD. And 3rd, even if Obama DID produce all the hospital records of his birth from the moment his mother entered the hospital to the time of her discharge with baby Barrack, every single one of you without exception would claim that all the documents were forgeries, so what would be the point? GET IT! It would be pointless because you people are just like the witch hunters of Salem Mass.

Your delusional “evidence” is nothing but wild accusations and insanity. Orly and the rest of you are certifiable! Judge Carter is no more going to take this shit to court than Judge Land did and every one of you are headed for a huge disappointment when he boots this crap out of his courtroom. And Orly is steadily on her way to either jail for contempt or to disbarment or both.

Now I’m sorry to say I won’t be around to watch the fun for the next couple of days, I have to go out of town, and just in case Judge Carter issues his slap down before I get back just let me say in advance; “I told you so!”

Have fun, see you Sunday!

Daisy


Steve_X
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 12:20 pm

1. It doesn't matter. Unless you cam say with 100% certainty that Obama's birthplace as listed on the COLB is different from that listed in his vital records that are kept by the state of Hawaii the question is irrelevant.

In other words, since you don't have any actual proof (there's that word again!) that Hawaii lied on it's own official state document it doesn't matter. Mere speculation is not proof.

2. If you're the plaintiff, the answer is no. Since Obama is the defendant it doesn't matter; defendants don't have a a burden proof to meet. That burden rests solely on the plaintiff, and the defendant is under no duty to disprove the plaintiff's allegations.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

1. It does matter. If there are legal exceptions for COLBs to show different birthplace as original birth certificate – the logical conclusion is that COLB cannot be used to prove the birthplace with 100% certainty.

2. Obama was not a defendant but a candidate for US presidency when he chose to post COLB on the web.
If I apply for a government job that has certain qualification requirements, could I post my diploma on the web and ask the government agency to accept it at face value?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

hahaha, I know they scrubbed it, BUT nanny nanny boo boo, I got a snapshot of it. Why are they scrubbing these websites?

IT'S A COVER UP. I love it!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

Errors, what errors? Hahaha Obamacorn busted, trying to scrub the internet. See, we talk about it here and they Obamacornians, for the website to Obama and OFF it goes. We knew you all here were being paid to do this. hahahahahahaha


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

So the purpose of all your birther craziness is because you fwant Nancy Pelosi to be president? That is what would happen.

Following your logic, if you undo the 2008 election, then Obama and Biden would not hold their offices and the Speak of the House would then become President.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

And, no – your answer didn’t answer the question asked. Feel free to try again.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

I will type it S-L-O-W this time to help you connect the dots.
Your suggested that this whole issue is racially motivated and gave a hypothetical example of a white person in a similar circumstances as Barack Obama.

I answered you question by stating that McCain (white guy) is not eligible either.
By the same token any other white person, who is either foreign born or dual citizen at birth would not qualify either.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

I’m new to this site, but it’s fun poking a stick in their cages. I’d prefer the Princess Leia costume, if that one’s not taken. Or a Stormtrooper would be good too.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

No, we want Constitution to be upheld.
I could care less for political calculations on who would asume the presidency If Obama resigned.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

1. I know you’re a birfer, but this is becoming futile. Once again, you completely misunderstand the trial process. Unless you plaintiffs can prove that Hawaii made a mistake, the COLB stands as self-authenticating evidence under rule FREv Rule 901. It is proof of what it says unless the plaintiffs prove otherwise, which they haven’t. No matter what you think, the law is the law, and no amount of “Alice in Wonderland” wishful thinking will change that.

Your “logical conclusion” has no basis whatsoever in the law. Once again, if you claim that Hawaii made a mistake or lied, it is up to YOU as the PLAINTIFF to prove it. Mere speculation is not enough. Put another way, The rules of evidence and procedure trump “logical conclusions.”

What is it about the burden of proof that confuses you so much?

I don’t know if you’re lawyer, but even if you’re not there is simply no excuse for your complete ignorance about the one of the bedrocks of the American Legal system. Ask any lawyer, judge, or law clerk you want to; they will all tell you that the burden of proof rests SOLELY ON THE PLAINTIFF, and this is the way that the court system has always operated.

2. Obama became a defendant the minute he was sued. Being president does nothing to remove the plaintiff’s burden of proof (There’s that word again!). The fact that his COLB was posted online before he was elected is immaterial; Orly didn’t file her first lawsuit until AFTER he was sworn in as President.

And stop trying to change the subject with irrelevant comparisons. Obama’s already commander in chief, and there is no law in the land that says that he has to show his birth certificate for any deluded individual who wants to see. His election was confirmed by the Electoral College, he was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, therefore he’s the president. End of story. Unless the job you’re applying for involves a nationwide election, certification by the electoral college, being sworn in
by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and the ability to be taken away from you by Congressional impeachment, your comparison is beyond illogical.

I honestly can’t dumb this down for you anymore. If you can’t understand the basic workings of the American court system, don’t try to talk about them. It only makes your lack of knowledge more glaring, and I don’t have the space in these boxes to teach you about the American court system.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

Wow, Barney is involved to. Add him to the list of defendants…

http://media.talkradionews.com/audio/2158.mp3


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

I am not saying that Hawaii made an error – just that there are legitimate legal resons for having different birthplace listed on COLB versus the original BC. We do not know whether those apply to Obama’s case, unless the original BC is examined.

In the court of public opinion, COLB posted on the web is worthless – that is my point.

Obama relied on deciveing the public to get into office.


MN_independent
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

You notice I asked the birthers a specific question – What if Obama's dad was a white South African who left when he was two and then died, but his mother was the same (a white Kansas woman) If that was the case, would you be questioning Obama's citizenship?

So far, no answer – nothing but crickets from them. Thinking for themselves is apparently something they cannot do.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

nanny nanny boo boo


MN_independent
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

I have no idea why the birthers keep pursuing their hopeless cause. Barack Hussein Obama has already stated where he is REALLY from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vws9fTtQgz4


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

It doesn't even matter where the hell he was born. If you just follow the LAW, he is ineligible. He was not born to (2) US citizens, which makes him NULL and VOID as President. Even IF he was born in Hawaii, he was was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948, through his father, which makes him ineligible.

“All persons born in the United States, AND NOT SUBJECT TO ANY FOREIGN POWER (Obama WAS via the British Nationality Act of 1948), excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.”

On the meaning of “natural born citizen”. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents (notice it says parentS, with an s, not just parent) who are citizens.”

We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the 'natural born' citizen is eligible to be President.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

That is the LAW and you all are, disregarding the LAW.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

funnnny, I used to have a DY-NO-MYTE tshirt when I was about 5 and I wore it all the time…


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

You have no legal authority, no knowledge of actual Constitutional law, no sense whatsoever and a disgusting odor that permeates through the internet.

Your delusional, paranoid ramblings are irrelevant. Go play in traffic.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

hahaha they even scrubbed my obamacorn thumbnail here and it won't let me cahnge it either…gettin desperate, eh?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

If you don't like my knowledge or where I get it from, you can easily go check for yourself and CONFIRM my facts, from WHATEVER source you would like and you will see that I am, 100% CORRECT!

No matter how good I smell, facts are facts and you can't handle it, so you call me smelly. Your ignorance shows, idiot!


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

For the sake of teasing the mentally ill, please point out the section of the Constitution that disqualifies a Presidential candidate from the office because of dual citizenship.

And he wasn't for two important, valid reasons but Tracy is far too stupid to understand basic facts.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

No. You are wrong, an idiot and possess the reasoning skills of a drunk, mentally challenged four year old.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

That's your proof? A faked website that can't spell Barack correctly?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! !

You are such a pathetic idiot.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Some birfers are racist and some are not. All of them, and especially you, are brain damaged idiots.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

Says the wannabe legal scholar with more spare time than common sense. You are such a pathetic idiot.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Notice I didn't mention Dual Citizenship because it doesn't make a difference. It doesn't make a difference because he was ADOPTED by Lolo Soetoro, when he was 6, which he must have then become an Indonsian citizen, because he would have had to been, to go to school there. And which is WHY, it clearly states exactly THAT on his elementary school records, shown here:

http://www.aaaconline.com/wordpress/wp-content/…

It also shows his religion as Islam…hmmmm

And which would ALSO explains, why he went to Pakistan in 1981 on an Indonesian passport. Making any more SENSE to you, NOW? All coming together for me, Hawaiian BORN OR NOT! It's irrecelant and he is in the White House, illegally.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

Thanks, but stick to the facts, WHICH YOU CAN'T HANDLE, so you start the name calling…love it!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

Awwww pooo thing, am I gettin you you with my FACTS.

Love ta watch ya squirm…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Can't take the facts eh? Not my problem.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

And you managed to lose it in the last three years?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

ooohhhh that was just hilarious
NOT


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

We don’t try cases in the “court of public opinion,” we try cases in courts of law. And since no one has been able to verify that the COLB is in fact worthless (and I mean that in the legal sense of being inadmissible as evidence, not in the lay sense) your point doesn’t matter.

And the only thing Obama relied on is getting more votes (popular and electoral) than his opponent. That is why he won and his opponent lost. No amount of frivolous birfer lawsuits will change that.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

You deserve derision for your disrespect of the law. Are you that sensitive?

Stick to the facts? You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the ass and you bled to death.

Idiot.

“It doesn't make a difference because he was ADOPTED by Lolo Soetoro . . .”

Your “proof” is anonymous blogs? That's why you are a laughable birfoon and a waste of DNA.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

You reek of desperation, dead fish and sewer gas.

Please continue. It's fun to laugh at you, Tracy.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

You still have no proof other than the ramblings of your sock puppets or the voices in your mirror

Tracy actually has no idea why her stupidity is irrelevant.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

You might be more convincing if you quote a more credible source like http://tracyisadrunkidiot.com/insanerambling/


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

“Pooo thing”? “You you” got me there.

More drunk and illiterate stupidity from Tracy.

Squirm on this, trailer trash.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

She ate it on her sixth birthday when she was passed out from moonshine in her trailer.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Thanks for your candor, Tracycornhole. I think it's safe to say you speak for all Birfers when you declare that it doesn't matter to you whether Obama is a US citizen.
We've always known that your mission was entirely cynical and that you never really believed that there was a problem with BO's BC.
Thanks again for finally coming clean


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

Yeah, I'd like to retract my slam on JJ—he was alright in my book too.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

I think the Birfers sense that the S African example is a trick question therefor they must check with Birfer central before responding


b
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Too bad so much intellect is wasted on this issue. He is your CDR-in- chief. Grow up, climb off that cross you still bear, and use the wood to get over whatever is bothering you.


MN_independent
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

Keep up the craziness, birthers. You're not helping the Republican cause and that's GREAT NEWS!

Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, in an admission that the birthers are becoming problematic for the GOP, the senator stressed that there was a need to reach out and educate those individuals, so as to rebuild the party's brand on modern ideas as opposed to conspiracy theories.

Frist's comments are another small reflection of a growing recognition among senior voices in the GOP that the inflammatory rhetoric and conspiracy theories directed at the Obama White House are likely not constructive. Earlier in the month, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) called the birthers “crazy” and told them to “knock [the] crap off.” This past week, the South Carolina Republican was shouted down by town hall protesters for his position on climate change legislation.

“We're not going to be the party of angry white guys,” Graham responded. “If you don't like it, you can leave.”

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/16/frist-…


MN_independent
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

Keep up the craziness, birthers! You're not doing the Republicans any favors or helping their cause, so this is great news.

Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said that that the birthers are becoming problematic for the GOP, the senator stressed that there was a need to reach out and educate those individuals, so as to rebuild the party's brand on modern ideas as opposed to conspiracy theories.

Frist's comments are another small reflection of a growing recognition among senior voices in the GOP that the inflammatory rhetoric and conspiracy theories directed at the Obama White House are likely not constructive. Earlier in the month, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) called the birthers “crazy” and told them to “knock [the] crap off.” This past week, the South Carolina Republican was shouted down by town hall protesters for his position on climate change legislation.

“We're not going to be the party of angry white guys,” Graham responded. “If you don't like it, you can leave.”

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/16/frist-…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

We are working on educating public about the whole situation.

The mere fact that you have to use insults to support your opinion is a good indicator that you are insecure about it.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

You're absolutely right about the history of the Demo Party in the 19th century. Your 20th century history, however is one of the most preposterously revisionist takes I've ever heard of. I don't think even Rush has the audacity to claim the civil rights movement as a Republican victory—that's more fanciful than even your Birfer fantasies. What a waste of time to even bother rebutting you—Your claim is beyond shameful


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

1. Do all COLBs issued by the Hawaii DoH, without any exception, show identical place of birth as recorded in the original birth certificate?

2. Could you cite one example (other than judge Land) where courts accepted an image posted on the web as a valid document?

The long form birth certificate should be verified by court, not posted on factcheck.org.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

McCain is not a natural born citizen either.
Does it answer yuor questioon?


CharlieProfit
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

Actually it was an honest mistake typed in the haste to get the Press Release out. But thanks for your concern.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Dual citizen at birth is not a natural born citizen.

Read details at:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10…


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

The statute you cite, the Civil Rights Act of 1866, was raised by the dissent in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), Sucks for you that the U.S. Supreme Court said that being born in the U.S. was enough to make someone a citizen (even if both parents were citizens of other countries), except for: (1) children born to foreign diplomats and (2) children born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory.satisfy the statute. In other words, “not subject to any foreign power” doesn't mean what you think it means, Cornhole.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

Dual citizen at birth is not a natural born citizen.

Read details at:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

Dual citizen at BIRTH is not a natural born citizen.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

I tried to post a link here to Donofrio's blog, it was automatically removed.

After three unsuccessful attempts, I removed the link from the message and it was properly posted.


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

WKA gives CITIZENSHIP right to children of permanent residents in the USA. It does not make those children – “natural born citizens”.

Read Donofrio's blog – he eloquently refutes the WKA argument used by Obama supporters.
Too bad this blog automatically removes any messasge containing link to his blog. Somebody is afraid of truth?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

Notice you said FORMER…lolol


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

what is lolol about “former”?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

lolol, funny ain't it. We got a spill over in aisle 8. lolol
Now, we got a spill in aisle 10, oh no, another in aisle 13. We are certainly keeping them busy. Our tax dollars at work (waste), how disgusting!
But, still funny…scrub a dub dub


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

It's fun to watch them scrub the web…I've got so many snapshots of pages and articles, that are now gone…lololol
too funny…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

A US Citizen is NOT the same as a natural born citizen, ya idiot!
Get it through your think head. And you have a law degree…pffftttt
from a fucking cracker jack box!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Who the fuck gives a shit about what a former senator thinks, he can kiss my ass!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

How about a CURRENT Senator, then: Republican Senator Linsdey Graham says you are Cray-zee.
Any thoughts?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

'fraid your point is a bit obscure, Cornhole–dare I ask what spills lolol are all about?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

NULL and VOID.
I learn so much from Cornhole…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Pffttt Lyndsey Graham,
He is a fucking wackjob and needs to be voted out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue2duZZ1yGw


MN_independent
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vws9fTtQgz4

I have no idea why the birthers keep pursuing their hopeless cause. Barack Hussein Obama has already stated where he is REALLY from.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

You seem quite comfortable on the far outer fringe of the right wing—–hang tough!


MN_independent
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

Fact of the Day. There is a well-known psychologic phenomena called “cognitive dissonance” – you mentally discard information not congruent to your belief system.

Awfully big words to use with this crowd, but f the shoe fits, birthers….


Anonymous
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 4:34 am

Welcome to the house of birther mirrors MN. I thought this birther madness would have collapsed under the weight of it’s insanity by now.

I will put in your request for a more appropriate costume, the Princess Leia costume should be good for morale, especially mine. The Stormtrooper costume might be provocative but i will consider it

I also like poking at birthers but prefer to aim for the eyes. That seems to be the way to elicit a true response from them. They talk about the Constitution but have darker aspirations.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

You, Cornhole, are the one who quoted the Civil Rights act of 1866. Why did you quote that statute with respect to Obama's eligibility to be President it if you don't think it is relevant? Were you trying to argue that Obama, even if born in Hawaii, wasn't a “citizen” of the United States? If so, you are clearly wrong. Were you trying to demonstrate that he wasn't a natural born citizen? If so, why did you quote a statute that you now say is irrelevant to that determination?

Or are you just getting sloppy with your cutting and pasting from the wingnut websites?


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

An article describing how Hawaii DoH has been stonewalling the disclosure of public data related to Dr. Fukino's statement from July 2009, proclaiming Obama was a “natural-born American citizen”.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-R…


naturalizedcitizen
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 12:05 am

Try with this translation:
spill = “info about Obama's foreign birth posted on the web”


bearclaw
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 12:55 am

Thank you for helping to tear down the Republican Party. President Obama thanks you!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:09 am

I know, fucking factcheck is owned by the Annenberg foundation, connected to William Ayers And Obama, gimme a fucking break…

Fuctcheck.org is more like it


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:16 am

So you are saying that

usafricaonline.com is a fake website?

http://jillosophy.blogspot.com/2008/06/african-news-headline-kenyan-born-obama.html


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:17 am

Wow, people are finding this all over…

scrub a dub dub


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:21 am

No she is saying that his CURRENT name is Barry Soetoro, because he NEVER had it changed back, He had it changed to that when he was adopted and even used it here, when he came back over and went to college. People know him as Barry Soetoro from college and there is no proof that he ever had it changed back. He is going under an assumed name, Barack Obama. He is Barry Soetoro, the Indonesian!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:23 am

POSER…lolol


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:30 am

If you undo the 2008 election, you would either put the one who had the next highest amount of votes in place or you have a special election. Plus, Nancy is being added to the case for aiding and abetting, so she will be gone too and Harry as well!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:31 am

Notice no one touches this one…

hmmmm


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:38 am

Check it out on Orly’s website, She posted it before they had it scrubbed! It’s on page 2 scroll down to the bottom and click on “keep looking”

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:40 am

the above reply was to bearclaw’s comment, not to naturalizedcitizen.

for the record


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:48 am

So, he was born in Hawaii, but he was later adopted by an Indonesian citizen and Barry later became Indonesian, which is why he traveled to Pakistan in 81 under an Indonesian passport. Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship, as an adult. So, once he turned 18, his US citizenship ran out.


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Pingback posted October 17, 2009 @ 3:42 am

[...] Orly Taitz Sanctioned for $20000 « The Washington Independent [...]


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:38 am

That's what I tried to tell them, DOWN THERE…I doesn't matter where he was born, he is still not a natural born citizen!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:39 am

lolol and we're gonna believe THAT liar, gimme a break!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:40 am

No problemo, as you can see I am a bi-partisan basher…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Livin in the edge…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:50 am

Hey, someone with a brain…thanks for clearing it up for the ignorant.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:51 am

You callin us “Intellectual”, why thank you…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:56 am

I quoted it because it clearly states in there, what a natural born citizen IS. DUHHHHHHHH

You are so lost, perhaps you should retake all your law classes!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 5:56 am

They sure are afraid of the turth!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:00 am

Yes, it doesn't matter that he is a US citizen, because you need to be a NATURAL born citizen to be President, NOT just a CITIZEN!

Obama is NOT eligible to be President = Usurper


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:02 am

Guess Obama scrubbed that one too…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:03 am

You all will be scrubbing your comments here, AFTER the usurper is removed…lolol


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:06 am

Even his wive said he was adopted. Are you calling Michelle Obama a LIAR. I wouldn't doubt it anyways, living with the biggest liar in the land, she must be, because she is covering for him!


RedGraham
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 7:11 am

This has nothing to do with being born in Kenya. This has everything to do with Obama being black. There would never be an anti-birther movement if under the same type of circumstances, Obama was (in the eyes of racists) white. What if Obama's dad was a white South African who left when he was two and then died, but his mother was the same. The anti-birthers would then question Obama's citizenship.
The only thing fake in this debate is what passes for ” anti-birthers ” brains. And at this point, whatever dividing line there was between questioning authority and the black-panther crowd seems to have been virtually erased.


GunnyRed
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 7:30 am

At least ten newspapers from around the world printed articles in the past five years stating Obama was “Kenyan-born” including at least one journal out of Illinois. No retractions or corrections were ever printed. Obama will have to expand his war considerably or cause a major catastrophe to prevent the truth from coming out in court January 26th. I suppose he could make Keyes, Taitz, Wiley & Kreep sleep with the fishes like he might have done w/his gay lovers, but that would be too obvious. Maybe he could get another fake COLB posted on the internet?


Anonymous
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

I’ve stated plenty of times before, black birfers are no different than black republicans: they mirror the mysterious phenomenon of the self-loathing jew who posits that maybe Hitler was onto something…


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

ATTENTION! ATTENTION, PLEASE!

Here we have the essence of the problem.

A) Fact – The natural born citizenry of any country is the condition of people born on the soil of that country.

B) Fiction – Quote: “I(t) doesn't matter where he was born, he is still not a natural born citizen.”

These points are not able to coexist. If a person were to cling to a belief in B, it would be of the utmost importance to deny A.

Has anyone witnessed behavior of this type recently?
Have there been any adolescent name-calling or statements that are demonstrably untrue?


chrisjay
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Thanks for the insight into the way your mind works, red. That is a fascinating mishmosh of faulty equivalencies and bizarre counter-arguments. Sucks to be your brain. The 'black panther crowd' part is a wonderfully white-trash touch, I might add.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

And what does the learned Mr. Lies mean by saying he tried to tell us “down there”?

Perhaps if you addressed us 'up here' we could have a conversation.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Well, if I keep posting it, you will call me a spammer, so you go fucking look, “down there” yourself and figure it out!


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

I would never call you a spammer!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

A good read…SSN's out the ying yang!

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://w…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Oh, Onama's Black Panthers, heard about that too. Saw a video also!

Get yur guns ready!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

Hell yeah!
People need to stand up for their rights!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwLaM8hE79g&feat…

If you all don't start listening to us, this is what our country is going to turn into. Would you rather be fighting youself out of that shit or taking care of it NOW, before we get to that?

WAKE UP!


Anteni
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

Oh no they deleted it.


Anteni
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

It was a soccer game. Have you ever seen games in countries like England.

Honestly, please stop representing things into what they aren't.


Jim
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

WARNING: It's fine to argue with the blowers, I promise you it's funny. However, I recommend you do NOT click on any of their links. They have been proven to be just wild theories and forged documents. There have also been reports of viruses attacks from these sites. As you can see from their posts, they have nothing but BS to offer and dismiss real evidence as if it didn't exist. Also, by clicking on their sites you provide them with more advertising dollars, since the number of clicks determine their pay rates. Besides, if they really had anything worthwhile it would be on FOX news and not only in their imaginations.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

LOLOL
Scrub a dub dub. And that doesn't make you THINK? I got a snapshot of the full page and all the text copied, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT!

Tell me the Obama team ain't watching THIS thread! So many things that show up here, go missing! Hmmmm.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Oh is that all. And the police are allowed to just some in a beat someone to death? Well, you might not mind your country turning into the, but I DO!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

You birfers are so funny. If no retractions or corrections are posted, it is proof to you that the newspaper story is correct. If retractions or corrections are posted, it is proof to you birfers the original story was correct and the newspaper has been forced by Obama to change it, or it has otherwise been “scrubbed.”

Just like conspiracy theorists all the world over (9/11 truthers, Tri-Lateralists, Holocaust deniers, etc.), the only explanation too improbable for you to accept is the simplest.


MN_independent
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

It”s a conspiracy. Someone is putting fake information out there just to draw you in to look at that. Then they start messing with your mind by scrubbing. The information was fake, as was the scrubbing. And you're falling for it.


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

Yes he is. If you can't read law, that's not our fault Tracy. Bad Dog! Bad Dog! Tracy!!!


littybell
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 12:23 am

I wouldn't dream of visiting crazy land!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Obama is an Indonesian Muslim. It has been way more than proven here! He used an Indonesian passport to get into Pakistan in 81, which means he swore his allegiance to Indonesia and is no longer an American citizen, NO WHERE THE FUCK HE WAS BORN.

You think it's right to say someone like John Walker Lindh, the dude that TURNED on us, WHO IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, could go over, swear his allegiance to another country, get trained by Al Queda and come back and be President? WRONG! Once you swear allegiance to another country, YOU ARE OUT, as a chance of being President!


Jim
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 1:41 am

oh boy, babble often lies? Well, now's where we give you the usual quote from Judge Land, and note how you just keep adding to your lie each time a step is proven to have no affect on Obama's eligibility. Soon, you should have him being born on Alpha Centauri and beamed to our planet in preparation for an invasion of tribbles. They're cute furry little things…we'll send a couple hundred to your basement for pets.


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 2:24 am

First, it has not been proven. No matter how many fucking forgeries you produce. And if you don't know the law, look it up. First, you are a citizen until you legally surrender it to another country. But moreover your comparison is wrong headed and ill constructed. You remind me of one of those antievolutionists who keep insisting that evolution says we are descended from Monkeys when it says we have a common ancestor. BAD TRACY! YOU KEEP THIS UP AND WE WILL HAVE TO RUB YOUR NOSE IN IT. BAD TRACY BAD DOG!!!!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:54 am

The only thing that has not been proven here, is if Obama is eligible to be President.
Where's the Birth Certificate?

Rub my nose in it, yap yap yap, you have no clue yourself if he is YOUR REAL President. You all are just LOST SHEEP!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 3:55 am

Makes no difference where he was born. His allegiance is sworn to Indonesia, as a MUSLIM. Accept it!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 4:08 am

Now Tracy, you have seen his birth certificate. We have been through this. I do this for a living. The certificate is valid.

Bad Dog Tracy, Very Bad Bad Dog!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 4:10 am

The info about the many SSN's Obama has used is NOT fake. Here's one that wasn't scrubbed:
Court Documents with all the numbers. Scrool down to page 8:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21193106/KEYES-BARNET…

AND
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=3255


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 4:12 am

Uhhh, Nope…sorry. Have not seen the real thing. If we had, Orly wouldn't be trying to SEE it.

DUHHHHHHHH!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 4:13 am

That's an affidavit. Not proof. Jesus do you not know what proof actually is?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 4:16 am

Dude, look at the big picture. Look at all they are trying to hide and all the scrubbing of the websites. Why do you think they are doing this? Have you seen the news lately where Obama is trying to silence the press? You people are blind and will not figure it out, until it is TOO LATE!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 4:29 am

I see the big picture. I also see the little one. What I see is generally people who know nothing about Legal procedure. Are sloppy and gullible. Thus, in their world, the rules of evidence become bias, An affidavit becomes proof, forgeries become reality. Bad Dog Tracy, very bad dog. No treats for your tonight..


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 4:30 am

Yes we have…Orly is an idiot. She is bad lawyer, she is a bad investigator and she is a fool. That you would cite her at all shows how gullible you are…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Jim has clicked many of my links and has not received any viruses. The proof is below, that he has clocked them. So, don't go believing that the links contain viruses, he is just trying to scare you into not seeing the truth!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Perhaps you should. Maybe you will learn something!


Jim
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Actually, that's why I quit clicking on them after a while. Some of them were so nasty they were getting past my protection. So, I still recommend not clicking on them. Besides, if anyone takes a minute to read your posts they'll see that blowers aren't interested in the law or the constitution, just overturning a legal election. Before you take my vote away you'll have to have a lot more than that garbage.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Yur such a liar, just like Obama. If you clicked on ONE and had a virus pop up, then why would you click on another, ASSWIPE? Plus, if my comments contained virus after virus, do you think this site would allow me to just, KEEP posting more and more viruses? You are such an idiot. The only way you can keep people from seeing the truth, is to lie and say that my links contain viruses, that is totally fucking low and proves how much of an idiot you really are!

Can you say damage control?


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

Highly doubtful


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 20, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Beaten to death? Hardly.

I DO like how it turned into a riot and it was the POLICEMAN who was beaten half to death. Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I want to see my country turn into. Might want to try watching the ENTIRE video next time before posting it.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 5:52 am

Orlt Taitz' $20,000 statement to the judge: Why are you afraid to speak up, to stand up for you constitution? Why are you afraid to tell this arrogant jerk from Africa and Indonesia- You need to go home, you cannot be a president and commander in chief because you are not a Natural born Citizen. To be a Natural born Citizen you have to have both parents as citizens. Your father was never a US citizen and you don’t qualify and you also spit us in the face by refusing to unseal your vital records. There is no proof that you are even a citizen. For all we know, you need to go back to Kenya and wait for your green card, and that after we try you for all the crimes perpetrated upon American citizens.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Statement? This is a petulant rant from the Queen of the Tinfoil Hat Brigade. Just a babbling tirade from a way out wingnut. A tantrum from a mail-order mental case. A fusilade from a foaming-mouthed fomentor. A hate-filled manifesto of impotent and unhinged racist rage. An admission of addled and angst-ridden psychological torment.
I particularly love the deft phrasing of: “…you also spit us in the face…” jeez, the best comedy writers that money can buy could not cook up a freakshow like this!
God I love the internet!!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Orly appeals the $20,000 fine. Yeah buddy, we're gonna get the truth out now.

“Taitz also claims that she hired a private investigator who found “39 different social security numbers used by Mr. Obama” including numbers with links to Judge Clay Land's own district. This, Taitz says, is reason she should be granted further discovery.”

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2009…


Jim
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Hohum, she didn't even address any of the reasons that Judge Land sanctioned her for. Just another babbling session that will get her no where. But, corny, since you have no inclination of laws and court procedures, you would think she did a good job. Guess you find out the truth, again, when she gets smacked down, again. Besides, you idiot, there won't be any discovery in this case, this is about Orly's sanction. The other case has long ago been dismissed…you remember that one don't you?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

As you can see, it's being appealed. Which means, different Judge. Perhaps the next one won't be bought out, by Obama!


Jim
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

As you can see, corny, this case is about Orly's sanctions. The only defendant for that is Orly. So, the only discovery that can be had is the discovery to see how bat-sh*t crazy she is. Nothing else. The next Judge will read her appeal, and throw it out without comment if she writes it herself. Man, you blowers really have no clues about laws or court procedures do you? No wonder you haven't figured out yet that the court avenue will get you nowhere. Keep it up, watching your failures is like watching old 3 stooges movies…you just keep getting slapped around and coming back for more.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

Slapped around? In your dreams. YOU are the ones here getting slapped around. There are so many things here, that together PROVE that this man, is not eligible to become President.

You are in for a rude awakening! The word is now getting out and people are starting to talk about it, more and more.

Wake the fuck up, your messiah is goig down!


Jim
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHA…you can't even figure out what the court case is about! The total lack of any proof just proves how delusional and totally out-of-reality you folks really are. You're now what…0-40 in these cases. I'm not worried, I've seen and read all you have to offer and even the pubs in congress are taking to calling you folks “nuts”. So, let's see, the courts think your nuts, the congress thinks your nuts, the vast majority of the people think your nuts, guess all you have left is to wait for the next election.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Yo, Mr. Axelrod, shut your f-ing piehole.

Judge Carter hasn't ruled she's nuts YET, so don't count your chickens, before they hatch!

One way or another, if the courts don't do it, we will make so much racket, that Congress will HAVE to do something about PROVING that he IS eligible. And we will find that he isn't and you all will have to run under your rocks. You all KNOW, that something is UP, because of the way he is hiding it and I can't wait for the day, when it is PROVEN.

It will be funny as shit. I hope this article is still here, on that day.


Jim
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Except for one minor detail there, corny…he HAS proven he's eligible, that's why he's sitting in the WH. You and your ilk just don't like it. But, that's what makes you so entertaining. No matter how many times you're proven to be an idiot, you just keep coming back for more. You're getting no help from congress, they think you all are bat-sh*t crazy too!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Pffttt, by Nancy Pelosi. I don;t trust that skank uppity bitch, as far as I can throw her. She's going in 2010 as well along With Harry. You are aware of their ratings, right?

No help from Congress, eh? If this case is dismissed, there will be an uproar and Congress, will not have a choice.

THEY WORK FOR US, not vice versa!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Another one bites the dust. Kerchner v Obama, dismissed, no standing. Imagine that. Okay Orly, you’re next! Though I believe yours will be a bit more severe than a simple “dismissed”, since you have continued to slander Judge Land after he imposed a fine and found you guilty of contempt.

In her notice of appeal she did everything except call Judge Land an asshole and tell him to piss off. LOL! She called him bias, outrageously prejudice, she accused him of intimidation and threats, and she also called his remarks nothing short of a political lynching!

Oh yes, and she’s even suggesting on her blog that the citizen grand jury’s should start investigating the judges!

Yep that’ll go over about like a big old smelly fart in church!

(BTW, I'm back! My trip was very nice thank you, but it's damn cold in Canada!)


Jim
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Oh yeah, they'll be real happy to be associated with a group of nuts. I can see them lining up now! Yeah, you keep thinking that, right up until the next election. Oh, BTW, they also work for about 300 million other people too…and 299,999,900 think you're all bat-sh*t crazy, so they'll not be any help either.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Welcome back Daisy as you can see nothing much has changed here although you may detect a note of resignation and rote in many recent Birfer posts of late; the real world seems to be intruding more frequently into the Birferverse and the denizens are getting a little shell-shocked–haven't heard from Cap'n Cwazy in a few days–mail-order meds from Canada can get held up at the border dontcha know—


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

lolol, so you think only 100 people, think he is not eligible? Wow, you are nuts. I know 100 people myself, that think he's a fraud!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

Yeah Corny, even though you're wearing a straight jacket and are surrounded by guys in white coats bearing cattle-prods & a butterfly net, you have Obama right where you want 'em
LOL


Jim
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

I can't help if all the inmates at the asylum you're at think the same as you, or maybe they don't…they just go along to shut you up! But, that still leaves an overwhelming majority who think you're bat-sh*t crazy.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Hmmm

http://washingtonindependent.com/64705/birther-…

Notice it's from HERE, so no viruses in my links, as other will try to state!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Womp Womp Womp, no one is listening to you. They are checking out our facts and deciding for themselves. You guys should go get under your rocks and stay there!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Okay all you anti-birthers, I just read AXJ Rock’s post yesterday that Orly will probably present those nude pics of Obama’s mother as evidence to Judge Carter. And by all means I think she should present those pictures. Judge Carter will shit himself in absolute disbelief I’m sure. I mean all the other crackpot evidence they have isn’t shit compared to that smoking gun!

Come on now don’t you see that this is “real” evidence and they may actually “get” somewhere with this movement if they present those pictures to Judge Carter, and I think we should all have the good grace to encourage them on this one! Orly really needs to show those pictures to the Judge! Don’t you all agree??


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Kinda funny how Ms Daisy posts, NOT A RESPONSE to any of your comments, yet you are on it, in 9 minutes to repsond. You were so worked up about switching from one account to the other, that you forgot to put it under Ms. Daisy's comment. You try and act and make it look like there is a GROUP here, when all it is, is 1 person, playing many different people.

Hmmmm, cross dresser eh?


Jim
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

No problem, already read about it. He got a slap on the wrist for not following the UCMJ. Now, his career hasn't been destroyed and he hasn't been drummed out of the military, as a few blowers had hinted would happen. But, I'll bet that he doesn't communicate with the blower crowd anymore.


Jim
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Corny, I understand that you're not too computer literate, but it's easy to keep up with your drivel…it's called e-mail alerts. Any time anyone posts in a thread that I've flagged, I can decide whether to respond or ignore at that time. That's how we've been on top of your BS so easily. What will really gripe you even more is that I also set up the e-mail account to forward emails from this site to the rest of my FFL group and we've all been posting as one person. Then, we've set up a chat room for deciding who gets the post and wait for you to walk right into it with your BS. You folks are so stupid, you've become a running joke across the country!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

I am well aware of email alerts, how do you think I answer you so quickly all the time. The thing is, you get an alert, when someone leaves a comment, under your comment. But if you look, Ms Daisy did NOT reply to your comment, yet you were here 9 minutes later, responding to here comment, that did not come to you, through email, because it wasn't a reply to YOUR comment!

If you look, Ms Daisy's post is below, 59 minutes ago and your SUPPOSED reply to her at 49 minutes is above. Didsn't take a genius to figure that one out. Then you just run up and post Ms Daisly above at 11 minutes, to try and cover your ass, but too bad it notes the time. You are soooo busted Ms Daisy, I mean Jim, I mean David Axelrod…what a joke!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Yes Crisjay, this is your other self, MsDaisy and I love the “Berferverse” concept. Quite right on with that one!

And yes meds held up can be a problem, but I think the primary problem is not coming from the “prescribed” drugs.

Did you see my post about Taitz presenting the incriminating pics of Obama’s mother? I mean I think they’ve got us with that one and they are bound to get the Judges “undivided” attention with that, don’t you think?. That alone may be enough to prove the case, and if they can prove it I think we should give them the chance, don’t you? I think Taitz should go for it and we should really encourage them on this.


msdaisy
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

Now that is rocket science for ya!


msdaisy
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Jim, after reading cornhole's response to your post I have to say I think I've missed the entertainment here!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

BUSTED!!!!!!!
Troll!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

But, there is a chance! As there is a chance that you are WRONG, about Obamacorn not being eligible!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

PROMOTED! And he is still with the birther croud! And talking to all the people in the military and letting them know that they are taking orders from a usurper…This is getting huge and he is going down, sooner than later!


MN_independent
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

In a colorful eight-page filing, Birther attorney Orly Taitz declares that she will appeal a federal judge's $20,000 fine, which she was ordered to pay within 30 days last week.

In his lengthy order imposing the fine, Judge Clay Land promised to authorize the U.S. Attorney to “to commence collection proceedings” if Taitz did not pay the fine. So stay tuned — we may be building up to some kind of climactic final showdown.

Pass the popcorn!

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/…


MN_independent
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

Yup, I agree. Go for it Orly! How could the judge possibly not believe photographic evidence manufacturered just for his benefit.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

No viruses — just bacteria, fleas, crabs, worms, dandruff, lice, foot fungus, and all the other things that make you special, Cornhole.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 11:30 pm

“One way or another, if the courts don't do it, we will make so much racket, that Congress will HAVE to do something about PROVING that he IS eligible.”

Good for you! You have the correct forum now: Congress. Only Congress can remove a sitting President from office. Make racket to your heart's content. Sign petitions. March in the streets. That is your right.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

And this from Alan Keyes ref Obama Kenyan-born newspaper articles”…it would simply indicate that some people in Kenya thought (perhaps mistakenly) that he was born there. Kenyan newspaper stories from 2004 (online or otherwise) are no more definitive proof of Obama's birthplace than uninformative birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers from 1961.
This episode simply illustrates the need for what I and many others have sought:
a Constitutionally authoritative investigation of the facts;
a similarly authoritative evaluation of its results;
And, based on that evaluation, a Constitutionally authoritative judgment of law and fact as to whether Obama satisfies the Constitution's clear eligibility requirements for the Office of President of the United States.”


bearclaw
Comment posted October 21, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

Orly: Judge, these pictures of Ann Dunham taken on the beach in the summer of 1961 prove that she wasn't pregnant!

Judge Carter: The photos appear to be indoors. Where's the beach?

Orly: They are on a beach because AXJ Rocks says they were taken on a beach.

Judge Carter: How do you know it is Ann Dunham? How do you know the pictures were taken in 1961?

Orly: AXJ Rocks says there is a witness!

Judge Carter: If the photos were taken in summer, why is there a sign on the wall in the first two photos that appears to say, uh, “Merry Christmas”?

Orly: Not everyone takes their Christmas decorations down on time.

Judge Carter: And why are there presents on the floor in the third photo?

Orly: Maybe it was someone's birthday.

Really, this is the most entertaining part of birtherism: they post “evidence,” it doesn't show what they say it shows, but they keep posting the same link with the same claim about “proof.”

Also entertaining is the delusion that Orly can simply walk into Judge Carter's chambers and present these photos to him, and that she might be doing that right now!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 12:06 am

And so says the man from Maryland who ran for an Illinois Senate seat.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 1:57 am

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21406205/Kerchner-v-O…

Birther's lose another one.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 2:07 am

So how does this square with your birfer paranoia that Obama is controlling the federal judiciary and silencing his critics? Here is a critic who is subordinate to Obama, the Commander-in-Chief, and he got promoted? Like maybe Obama's not really all that afraid of you birfers.


Antibirther
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 2:09 am

Actually with that letter in his jacket, he's going to have a tough time.

And he was “recommended for promotion” not “promote immediately”

He still has to actually be promoted.


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 3:58 am

The rule you cited is incorrect. That is a reference to a law passed by Congress in wake of WWII. However, if you would break out your Shepard's instead of talking out of your ass you would know this case:

US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) that said:

“The 14th Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including children here born of resident aliens, … The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States.”

Every nation has the exclusive right to determine by its own laws who are its citizens and who shall rule it, and therefore the Constitution and laws of the US (and no other country) determine who is born within its allegiance.

Current law would include as natural born citizens:

All persons born within the US (including Puerto Rico, Guam, and the US Virgin Islands) except the children of ambassadors

Persons born outside of the US to citizen parents (subject to certain restrictions in the legislation).


chrisjay
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Big green light on admission of the photos: as long as Orly wipes smudges and icky stains off first. I'm sure the judge will find them, er, 'compelling'


RedGraham
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 6:58 am

About the man from Kenya who ran for president of the U.S. illegally.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 7:00 am

Reminds me of when the southern courts would throw out lynching charges out of sympathy for the KKK. Taitz & Keyes are playing agaainst a stacked deck like in any other communist or fascist country.


Anonymous
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

That chance works both ways. Remember that…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

That chance works both ways. Remember that…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

Ok, so let’s change it back to the original subject:

Counsel Orly Taitz is hereby ordered to pay $20,000.00 to the United States, through the Middle District of Georgia Clerk’s Office, within thirty days of the date of this Order as a sanction for her misconduct in violation of Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

Makes you wonder why Taintz ever bother moving from Moldova. Well, I guess she could always go back—nobody's stopping her. If you hate this country so much you can go with her, Red.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 22, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

Talk about false equivalency.

KKK killers were either never charged, or often were acquitted by all white juries. If a DA refused to charge, a grand jury refused to indict, or a jury acquitted, there is one thing in common: absolutely no explanation of the reason. DA's don't have to explain their charging decisions, grand jury proceedings are confidential, and juries don't explain their verdicts.

By contrast, the judges who are dismissing birfer suits are issuing written opinions explaining their reasons for ordering the cases dismissed. What I have not seen one of you ignorant birfers attempt is an explanation of why the judge's ruling is wrong. Did the judge cite the wrong statutes, the wrong controlling precedents? Did the judge misconstrue the decisions of the Supreme Court or the appellate courts on Article III standing or prudential standing?

No, the judges must be wrong for one reason only: they ruled against you. If you believe in the rule of law, instead of tyranny, then explain precisely how the judges erred on the law.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 7:11 am

My country was born July 4, 1776 and died January 20, 2009 when The Great Usurper took that botched oath of office. He took it again the next day WITHOUT a Bible.
Cause of death: self-inflicted by ACORN-induced voters for a fake candidate in a fake election


msdaisy
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

Ahhh Hahaha! Orly Taitz, a fraud, a liar, and adulterer! Okay birthtards, by Orly’s own (so-called) legal logic she is “Guilty” until proven innocent. AND Here is the evidence!

Read it and weep!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21451147/Lucas-Daniel…


bearclaw
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

And exactly where in the Consitution does it say that the oath of office must be taken on a Bible?

My country isn't dead — it is struggling to overcome 8 years of criminal and incompetent governance by Bush and Cheney.

But, if you think your country is dead, buh-bye. There are plenty of other counties for you to go live in.


logicgrrl
Comment posted October 23, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

Let her feeneesh, let her feeneesh! LOL


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Umm..sorry, America is still alive and Obama was Elected by majority vote. He is not a Usurper. Look up Usurper in the Dictionary…you know, that big book full of words you are not familiar with?


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

LMAO!!!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Hmmm, I was wondering how all you leftie losers here, explain these articles:
(I am sure they will probably get scrubbed after being put here, so get your snapshots people)

“African News Headline: KENYAN-BORN OBAMA MAKES HISTORY!”
http://jillosophy.blogspot.com/2008/06/african-

“Little wonder then why Kenyan-born Barack Obama, America's first Black President,”
http://allafrica.com/stories/200908200781.html

“As Kenyan born US Senator Barack Obama jets into Kenya today as part of his African tour,”
http://www.africa-ata.org/ug_newsletter.htm

“Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively.”
http://web.archive.org/web/20060207151627/http:

“Kampala — Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan born-senator, Barack Obama for the US presidency.”
http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

“The Kenyan-born Senator will, however, face a stiff competition from his Republican counterpart,”
http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/4112008/411

“She also describes the stories that have been exciting, including the U.S. presidential race of Kenyan-born Sen. Barack Obama.”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st

“Olara Otunnu (Harvard Law, 1978) relating the remark of Kenyan historian Ali Mazrui on the oddity that a member of Kenya's Luo tribe (Barack Obama, a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from birth) may become president of the United States before a Luo tribe member becomes president of Kenya.”
http://www.archive.org/details/OtunnuOnLuoTribe

And lastly, the missing debate thapes that will PROVE from Obama's own mouth that his is NOT natural born! (We need to find this debate from 2004 people)

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/o

Video about it too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjtwwxILZxQ&feat

ANYONE????


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

You have to be kidding. Official birth announcements printed in Hawaiian newspapers 47 years ago are more reliable than a few mistaken articles written in foreign newspapers. What an oaf. You lose. Obama is President and you are wasting your time preaching to the choir. Get a job so you can pay back the taxpayers for these frivolous lawsuits, patriot.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

Ah, the “missing debate tapes”——those invisible tapes will become very important to you, Corny, when all of your visible “evidence” has been roundly debunked and put to bed LOL


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

pffttt, I got a job crackhead, so FUCK OFF!


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

Maybe you should be doing it instead it or cooking bacon and eggs for your hubby.


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

I hope Judge Carter's smack down is just as colorful as Judge Land's has been…


darthtater
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Welcome to the reality of Birfistan. Where Fantasy reigns supreme..


msdaisy
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Okay all you birthtards, Obama has declared a National Swine Flu Emergency. Of course that means none of you better get caught sneezing or he will send you to his secret FEMA Concentration Camps!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Playing fetch at the park..IS NOT A JOB!!! Bad dog Tracy! Bad Dog!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

pfft debunked. You guys have debunked nothing!
You suck. Once he shows his papers, he will be history and you all know it. That's why you are stuck to this FAKE COLB!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

Waaaaaaah! Tell it to Chief Justice Roberts. You know, the Bush appointee who swore in our current POTUS.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Bacon & eggs? an all-American meal for a foreigner? Disgraceful!!! Expel the alien and his dimwit wife immediately!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

More mania from the Moldovian moron


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

You got a job as a crackhead? That explains your posts. You need to learn to read AMERICAN newspapers.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Being a crackhead explains your lisp: In your post you clearly say: “debate thapes”. Please try not to spray.


MN_independent
Comment posted October 24, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

The type of evidence and proof that Orly and her cohorts rely on has about as much in common with real evidence and proof as a paint-by-number set has in common with the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:33 am

The same justice that had a case on this matter ERASED off the books? Yeah, like he's any help. He's bought too. Good ole Chicago politics. We all know about that, now don't we?


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

It seems that you guys are in real trouble. Ooops, no judges believe that you have any standing let a lone a case.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

Please take a deep breath. You seem to hyperventilating. America is a democratic country that honors free speech, even when allowing people like you to lie.

Taitz is a incompetent lawyer, who seems to have take the case because no reasonable lawyer would consider it. Keyes, is just a sore loser who has never been able to win public office. It is not a stacked deck, it is just those two disillusioned individuals think that they can cheat the democratic process.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

That is the same thing that some people said when the government moved to end segregation.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

Honestly, there really is nothing for us to debunk. It is birthers who end up debunking their arguments. We just point out the errors, and laugh.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

Hey Red,

If Obama is a Communist, how come they let he and his mama work as CIA agents? It's like is he Christian or Muslim? You wingnuts can't have it both ways.


Anteni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

Sorry, but “paint-by-number?” Would be like attempt to paint the Sistine Chapel without knowing what it looks like. It seems that you given them more credit that I would.


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Cornynuts is a Foreigner? LMAO!!!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Her husband is from Jamaica——-doesn't that beat all!
She has never offered any evidence that he's here legally.
Very much the hypocrite


Harold Franklin
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

You forgot suborning perjury…Orly is a mess..and Tracy thinks she is great!!!! Ha Ha Ha..


darthtater
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Ahh…I see. LMAO! This just gets better and better…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Obama is: socialist/fascist/communist/Muslim/gangster/druggie/kiddie-brainwashing/Black Panther/homosexual/KKK-like/vampire/thees-sus writing/BinLaden-harboring/troops-hatin'/bastard(in the technical sense)/Indonesian/Kenyan/Pakistani/lousy-bowler/unmanly/Blajovik-tainted/opponent-bullying/election-rigging/Orly-fearing/foreign-beer-drinking/arugula-eating/elitist/gun-hating——-I probably missed a few, but I have seen each and every one of these charges right here at Birfer watering holes.
Dr, I would beg to differ with you: these loons have it every which way all the time. Doesn't matter how contradictory or self-cancelling their accusation are—-all makes perfect sense in the hate-filled Birferverse.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Speaking of the hate-filled Birferverse: what ever happened to Cap'n Stevie? he used to be the titular head of this bizarre brigade…haven't heard from him in some time


buckaroni
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

I agree. MN gave them too much credit. You could get a chimp to do Orly's job and the chimp would argue the merits of their “case” better in front of a judge.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

Hmmm, imagine that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MMoEucdUIc

How many more are out there? thousands and thousands?


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 25, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

Now yur gettin it…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:05 am

Pfffttt, sorry dude, but my ancestors settled here, over 350 years ago, during the settling of the 13 colonies. My 8x grandfather founded Anne Arundel and Howard Counties in Maryland. I guarantee you NO ONE here has older American roots, then ME! My family is written about in many books as being the first setlers here and come from Royal Blood in England!.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:06 am

As I said, he ain't running for Pres, so I don't have to show you shit!


Jim
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 1:12 am

Now we know why you're so pissed at Obama!!! A black man president…must make a fine southern family like yours turn over in their graves. Can't help if you were the black sheep (no pun intended) of your family because of your marriage…no need to take it out on Obama.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!

Why would you even think anonymous message board posters would even give a sh*t about your imaginary background? Why do you need to pump yourself up like that? Are you so insecure in yourself you feel the need to create a fantasy life for yourself in order to feel more important on this board? Wow, have you totally lost it!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

So reporters no longer have to check their facts? I see none of these papers redacting their misprints of Kenyan-born, why not? Do you think perhaps if Obama’s people call them and request that they be taken down, that the African’s might be INSULTED, for him denying his African roots.
You’re damn straight, bcause they would then PROVE to US, that he is African, after being put down like that!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

Umm…not so. He was elected by the majority of American’s. And unlike the dispute with Bush’s 2000 Election Victory, there is no question that Obama was the winner of the election and Elected President.
You Birffers are as bad as the leftists that couldn’t handle Bush being President either…


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:11 pm

So you say…why should I believe you on your word?


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

That's good, because you'd have to pick it up to show it. LMAO!


Anteni
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

How many more birthers are out there? Thousands and thousands. Yes, there are scores of thousands of birthers. Most have just been lied to. Others are really mad that they lost the election. Remember there is 2010 and even 2012. However, the GOP has to push the birthers and other conspiracy theorists over, if they ever want to appeal to independents and progressives.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

hardy har har, that was just hilarious…NOT

So lame…..


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

You prove right there, that there are so many speculations out there. Wouldn't it just be ummmm, more AMERICAN of Obama, to prove to HIS PEOPLE, that he IS a Natural Born Citizen?
I'm sure he would love to, but he CAN'T.

Indonesian Muslim!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

Suck eggs!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

Amen, Brotha!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Obama was elected by majority fraud…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

I have researched my family for the past 5-7 years and have the proof. I don't need to fantasize or make it up, because it is true. I would post my rootsweb tree right now to prove it, but who knows what the fuck you idiots would do with my info.

I don't feel the need to prove it to YOU, as long as I know of my roots, that's all that matters to me.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

You are stupid fucking idiot. Do you think I would post ANYTHING here, about my personal life, just to prove something to you? Post your birth certificate, SSN and driver's license and prove you are legal and I will do the same for my husband…


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Perhaps you could spend some of that $5000 on getting your caps lock key on your keyboard fixed!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

Also, it’s “YOU”RE” not “YOUR”…be careful about calling other people idiots when you don’t know the difference!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

There you go, trying to confuse the birthers with the facts, when the facts have a well-known liberal bias! LOL!


Anonymous
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

Is Your All Coward related to Noel Coward?


Jim
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Only thing it proves to anybody here, liar, is that you have such a low opinion of yourself you have to create a whole new life. It actually goes along with the delusions of all the blowers posting here.


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Would you like me to e'splain it to you Lucy? LMAO!!!


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Compared to the Millions upon Millions of Independents, Moderates, Liberals, Conservatives and Progressives that do not believe in the Birther Movement? You can keep your Thousands. They are killing the GOP.


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Orly's legal Writings and Motions are the direct result of putting a hundred monkey's in front of Typewriters and letting them bang on the keys for a month…

Shakespeare it isn't…LOL!


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

Not…There are no FEMA Camps…or are you saying your a Camper too? LMAO!!

Try looking up NORTHCOM and it's mission. FEMA has nothing to do with Camps.


darthtater
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

The GOP will never appeal to Progressives, unless they fundamentally change the GOP philosophy.

And BINGO…the Birther's have been lied to…by scam artists and uneducated individuals who do not understand any form of the law.

The Guilty party's include Oily, Swennson of the American Grand Jury (what a joke) and others who are just flat mad that they lost…It's almost as comical as how mad the left was when Bush won in 2000. In fact, it's almost like a role reversal between the left and right from 2000 to 2008.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

hahahaha, create a new life. FYI, I don't have to prove anything to you, but I will give sufficient enough proof, just to make you look like an idiot.

I spose you will say that I am a psychic and that I planned all this 3/4 ago, just so I could come here to prove you losers wrong…Or that I am just researching that family, FOR THE FUN OF IT…

lololol, YOU LOSE!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42463335@N04/40473…

IDIOTS, I TELL YA…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

No low opinions here, Buddy, LOLOLOL


Jim
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Too late, already caught you in more than one. Plus, you continually show your stupidity by responding to me. So, now you're using someone else's pictures or whatever to boast your ego. It is so sad when you actually look like a reject from fat camp. That's why you married out of your race, they're the only ones that would have you.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

Oh really? Did you happen to scroll down? So how on EARTH, did I find a picture, that someone took or made and it HAVE the tab at the bottom, that shows this washington independent page?

Answer me that one!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

Yeah Buddy…
Countdown to Judgement Day!

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerI…

The DEMS are goin DOWNNNNNNN


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

Oh Mannn, that person is going to be sooo pissed that I broke into their account, to change the title of that photo.
OOOHH NOOO

UH HUH, someone else's pictuures, eh?

YOU NOW LOOK LIKE AND IDIOT!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

The Birfers belong to a far-right constituency that is bringing down the GOP as we speak with this fascinating new strain of nihilistic politics. I guess they feel they are 'purifying' the party. Sort of like Ebola virus strives to ultimately replace every cell in the host body—killing the host in the process.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

The rightwing Chief Justice of SCOTUS is in the bag for Obama? Well that's great news! I'll expect the court's decisions to begin reflecting the extreme leftwing ideology which you attribute to BO. I find Justices Roberts, Thomas and Scalia to be particularly obnoxious and too far to the right for the good of the country, so this is truly good news.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Corny,your overweening pride in this alleged family tree makes your persecution of POTUS due to his mixed pedigree even more odious. You embody every negative stereotype of the prideful southern hag that exists. You are truly vile.


chrisjay
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

You're the one casting aspersions on citizenship, not me. I'm just telling you to walk the walk or STFU


bearclaw
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

“Founded” Anne Arundel County? The County was created by the Maryland General Assembly in 1650. Howard County was created in 1838 by splitting Anne Arundel County. Your “8x” grandfather was the Maryland General Assembly? Was your “8x” grandmother just a really loose woman? Your 8x grandfather lived from 1650 to 1838?

By the way — this is the United States of America. If you want anyone to be impressed with your “Royal Blood,” you can bloody well go back to England. “Royal Blood” is no better than any other.


Jim
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

Oh yeah, bearclaw…we knew all along she had to make up her life, because her real one was so miserable. Besides, she claims that Obama's BC is a forgery with no proof, therefor all her BS is fake. Shame when the real world catches up with blower delusions.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

“Your “8x” grandfather was the Maryland General Assembly?”

Funny you should ask that…do your research, use ANY websites YOU want and you will see, the same info I found, years ago…which isssss…

“The first meeting of the Assembly was held in the house of Major Edward Dorsey”

Major Edward Dorsey is my 8x grandfather!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

read up


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

Just read up and you will see the proof!
IDIOTS!


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

I didn't realize that idiot DNA would last for so many generations. Did anyone in your family ever crack the triple digit mark in IQ level? Any two combined?


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

Royal Blood (capitalized!)??? Wow. No wonder you are such an illiterate jerk. The early settlers were religious zealots and outcasts who came to this country to kill Indians and steal their food and land. Then of course they bought slaves to harvest their killer weed — tobacco. You should be proud.


Jim
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Why, I just do what you do oh so well. So, now you look it up and call yourself a great-great-great-(however many) granddaughter. You must be one of the illegitimate children's ancestors…that's why you married black, to get back to your roots after granddaddy had his way with his slaves. I bet you like it when your husband uses the whips and chains.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

“Royal Blood.” Hmmmm:

“The other major error in print regarding Edward DORSEY is in regard to his ancestry. Edward DORSEY was claimed by some as being descended from Sir Norman D'Arcie cousin of William the Conqueror, and from the Lord D'Arcy family of Hornby Castle. DNA evidence has proven that theory to be incorrect, showing that Edward DORSEY is not related to those families. The latest DNA results [November 2005, updated March 2006] would indicate a likely Irish origin
for Edward Dorsey.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 26, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

I don't like OL's positions, Jim, but you really should apologize for this post. It is sick.


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 12:50 am

The Host is going to stink when it begins to decay!


darthtater
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 12:53 am

Just your words, which is not proof…you must work for Orly to think any would fall for that!


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:37 am

The Faux Propogation Network in which all you nut bags bathe your large bulbous eyes in night after night tells you what they want you to hear. They're all grooming you for the day when this nation will become communist because they support candidates that would like to take away the freedoms given to us in our Constitution. If they weren't, then they wouldn't have been so pro Bush/Cheney. They remind me of the fictional ICS network in the story from Steven King by the title of The Running Man.


buckaroni
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:40 am

Orly usually states in her interviews that 85% of Americans want to see Obama's birth certificate. I wonder where she gets that number from? One thing for certain is that Orly and the birthers are destroying and credibility that the GOP had.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:25 am

First of all, you disregarded the MAIN thing you were asking me. YOU said,
“Your “8x” grandfather was the Maryland General Assembly?”
I showed you that YES, in a sense HE WAS. It was started in HIS house! I didn't get your response to THAT!

Secondly, Edward's parents line picks up here in England: http://www.ancestrees.com/pedigree/11077.htm
you will see Edward (1619-1659) subject in question and his son under him Colonel Edward Dorsey, which is the same son shown here in the American tree:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://w…

If you go up through that English line, it goes through the King of England and the King of Italy.

So, I wa not lying, thank you very much!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:29 am

My line is well documented and written about in MANY books, so I don't need you looking on some of your lefties sites, to try and prove me wrong.
I KNOW MY HISTORY and my ROOTS!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 2:39 am

Just want everyone to know that schmuckaroni clicked on my link and got no viruses as they claim all my links have. Thanks for testing out my links for others, SCHMUCKO!


bearclaw
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:32 am

My mom spent 25 years doing genealogical research, and she found that published genealogies were rife with errors. You can believe what you want, if it makes you feel good about yourself. But my source was hardly “lefty” and you were the one who told me to look it up (what is a “lefty” genealogical site anyway?):

http://www.contexo.info/DorseyDNA/LineageI.htm


Anonymous
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

THERE’S an intelligent response (not)!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

Corny, there are many of us here who are concerned to be certain that we don't catch whatever virus has turned your brain to yellow goop—-one cannot be too careful: I wouldn't link at your invitation for all the tea in COMMUNIST China (easy to push your button, dimwit LOL)


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

Yeah, the “TRUTH” may cause you to get a virus.
Or maybe they call it: Dontfearthetruthaphobia


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

I didn't get my info from genealogy sites. Fortunately, there are many books published about the Dorsey's, that I didn't have to. Yes, it does make me feel good that I traced my ancestry back, over a dozen generations….AND

You are the one that brought up the fact that “OH, and your 8x grandfather WAS the assembly.”

And I just proved it. You don't want my facts as proof, then don't fucking ask for them!

I can't help you were insulted, that's YOUR problem!


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

He never claimed not to have clicked there and he never claimed to have gotten any viruses, schmucko. Try again…


bearclaw
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

DNA vs. online genealogies? DNA wins.

I'm not offended — I'm amused that you care so much “Royal Blood.”


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

“DNA vs. online genealogies? DNA wins.

I'm not offended — I'm amused that you care so much about “Royal Blood.”"

Sorry, runnin of the page down there, so I moved it up!

First of all scrotum lickers, I don't recall ANYWHERE, where I said I was descended from “Sir Norman D'Arcie cousin of William the Conqueror” whom you have mentioned. Do, why would you put that up, as if I did. When I said royal blood, I meant the Kings that are present through my lines.

You took something from the research you did, that had nothing at all, pretaining to our conversation and quoted me as saying it.

Can I help it that you are an idiot and can't accept my facts, so you have to change the subject to hide being insulted? You were wrong and you should admit it, period!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

Pfffttt, you all know you watch fox, you're just afraid to admit it. The ratings prove it, so who cares what you “SAY”.


RedGraham
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 2:23 am

If the Obama's lawyers produce the required authentic untampered with documents in court on January 26th then I have a lot of crow to eat & Alan Keyes will have yet another loss to add to his record (which is as bad as Lincoln's). If the Obama stonewalls or stalls yet again on providing evidence he is a natural-born citizen then we should fly our flags upside down & at least one state should secede for a remnant of Americans to migrate to. In Proverbs we read “Pride goeth before a fall”. Soon we will see and then the obots will have to drink their kool-aid.


jancybereye
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 5:57 am

I got lost and ended on this page – can someone tell me what the fuzz is all about? It goes to show that people pick the problems they like. It seems to me a bigger problem that about 5000 African children are dying from preventable illnesses than the birth certificate of Obama. Can people who spend all their time worring about the latter why they are apparently unconcerned about the former…?


Anteni
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 6:13 am

I think the term is she “pulled it out of her ass.” With numbers like 85% they are generally made up number, a term to mean “most”, or a guess/estimate. I was wondering where that number came from. It is hard to believe the Orly Taitz commissioned a survey.


Anteni
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 6:19 am

So that is what you have ObamacornLies, “Dontfearthetruthaphobia”. All joking aside they do have a scientific term for what you have. It is called “implicit social cognition”, don't worry about it too much. It is a preexisting condition. Just don't let you health insurance company know.


Anteni
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 6:24 am

Wow. Copy and paste again. It is a really cool feature. Most people use it when they are writing long documents while rearrange text.

I remember someone who was writing about a “motion to dismiss” and commenting on how Obama's legal team would be able to appeal it. I laughed out because they obviously didn't take time to read what they where pasting. The commenter seemed to miss why Obama's lawyers would appeal it. A dismiss is a dismiss not matter what word is before it.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 8:47 am

Anyone who really believes there will be a trial on January 26, suffers from cognitive rigidity. It will NEVER HAPPEN. In fact, Judge Carter took judicial notice of the Kerchner case in which Oily Titz was fined $20,000. Until she pays the fine, Judge Carter will withhold his ruling on the Defense's Motion to Dismiss. Don't hold your breath.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 8:50 am

There are nutcases all over. It's due to America having been dumbed down. Makes it easier to make them look even more stupid.


Jim
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 10:14 am

Actually, according to her in Judge Land's court, she got that from an AOL poll. Not the most scientific way to poll. But, it fits with the blower delusions.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 10:49 am

Thanks, but I have NO health insurance. You would think I would be FOR Obama's FREE take over and have others “pay for my healthccare”, but I have pride and believe that people should WORK to pay for themselves and their healthcare, NOT SIT ON THEIR FAT ASSES, EATIN CHEETO'S IN FRONT OF THE TV AND EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT TO GIVE ME HANDOUTS OR TAKE CARE OF ME!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

If you think these blogs are reduntant with these loon's cut&paste yammerings, just imagine what the walls of their windowless basements look like. A scene rendered hackneyed in suspense films about psychos: when the investigators finally locate the perp's 'nest' they find the walls plastered with photos, newsclippings, tiny, handwritten novels-worth of rants & babbles, childish drawings.
Yep, I think you get the picture…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

These pathetic losers, esp Cornhole, couldn't get up in the morning without some imaginary victory scrawled in red letters on their calendar. Help's 'em quiver&quake thru the week. When said date has come & gone, no matter—-they just find another date on their calendar to circle. It's the only thing that keeps 'em going.
sad


chrisjay
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

Huh, you just described the vote-for-Palin demographic to a tee.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

I know he didn't claim it because I read his posting, nimrod. Reading something all the way through…what a concept. Maybe you should try it before shoving your foot so far in your mouth. Or maybe shoe leather's a delicacy for you. To each their own.

I would figure you for a multiple accounter, personally. You strike me as the type.

As as for Fox, I haven't tuned into them since the wonders of cable TV brought better television and news reporting. Even then, I prefer to rely on the AP/UP wires for news as opposed to the television stations.

Anything else you want to say to make yourself look like an idiot? I mean, you don't need to try any harder, but I'm leaving the option open just in case you want to take advantage of it…


chrisjay
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 2:31 pm

Crazy plus stupid is a bad combo.
I give you the Conservative Party.


MN_independent
Comment posted October 28, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

There was one detail in the recitation of Orly's misdeeds that really stood out and I think will be hard for an Appeals Court to overlook – and that was her telling the judge, to his face, that she was going to file case after case until he gave her the discovery she wanted on Obama's birth certificate. The Courts are used to that kind of conduct coming from prisoners; less so with non-prisoner pro se civil litigants, but it does happen. But for an ATTORNEY to make that kind of statement is regarded an abuse of her position as an officer of the Court.


Anteni
Comment posted October 29, 2009 @ 10:09 am

I think these blogs are redundant with loon'y birfer logically inept arguments. This is kind of the behaviour captiansteve engaged in, but one would suspect that ObamacornLies is one in the same.


Anteni
Comment posted October 29, 2009 @ 10:14 am

No, the main point is your preexisting condition not health insurance. However, you missed that. It is up to you to accept the truth. That is the only cure.


Anteni
Comment posted October 29, 2009 @ 10:17 am

Being scientific or Logical aren't Taitz best qualities. Unless she releases all the data include dates, time and actually questions we can disregard the numbers as fake.


bearclaw
Comment posted October 29, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

There will be no trial on January 26, just as we have been telling you.

How does it feel to lose again?

Judge Carter just emphatically granted the Motion to Dismiss, as we told you he would do.

And he took special care to note the incompetence of Orly Taitz.

Go back to AXJ and WND and commiserate with the rest of the birthtards.

Bye!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter


bearclaw
Comment posted October 29, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

Yes, it is Judgment Day!

How does it feel to lose again?

Judge Carter just emphatically granted the Motion to Dismiss, as we told you he would do.

And he took special care to note the incompetence and unethical conduct of Orly Taitz.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter


Anteni
Comment posted October 30, 2009 @ 7:39 am

A very interesting reading. I honestly believe that Taitz was using her clients. What I mean is knew that she couldn't show that she was “harmed” by the president. Thus, she used her clients as a venture to file suits against Obama. However, she was unable to hide her feelings at times. This would explain her behavior.


darthtater
Comment posted October 30, 2009 @ 11:04 am

I think she was also “using” her clients for financial gains…but using the courts to get at a birth certificate which she has no right or standing to get to..well…Orly will be famous, she'll be in every law book as what the hell no to do in or out of the court room…

LOL!


ObamacornLies
Comment posted November 3, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

CAN YOU HEAR US NOWWWWWWWWWWWW?

hahaha
Mr. Deeds leaves Washington!

VIRGINIA…
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/us/04vote.htm
Governor – Loss for Democrats

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar
Lt. Governor – Loss for Democrats

http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1109/674779.html
Attorney General – Loss for Democrats

NEW JERSEY
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/11/ap
Governor – Loss for Democrats

NEW YORK
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/11/ny
Mayor – Loss for Democrats

Maybe you will believe these facts. No way you can lie about it!

We took you down, EVEN WITH your fraudulent Acorn votes!


Harold Franklin
Comment posted November 4, 2009 @ 1:19 am

NOT REALLY…Virginia always goes to the opposite party after the Election. The Dems almost pulled out New York City which was supposed to go big for the Republicans, New York 23rd goes Democratic after the Birfers drove out the Republican candidate. So for the first time in a century, a Republican will not sit in New York 23. The other thing is that voters indicated that they were not considering Obama in their elections.

So are you listening Birfers..Pay close attention, you are one more vote down in Congress…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted November 4, 2009 @ 7:28 am

Yes, but Virginia should not have gone Democrat in 09. The only reason he won and it is soooo evident now, was because of Acorn and it's fraud. It was rampant for the Obama election. That is why they are losing their asses now, because NO ACORN!

Can't wait for 2010!


Killer Kowalski
Comment posted November 4, 2009 @ 8:08 am

You again prove how little you know.

During the 2008 Presidential election conservatives repeatedly accused ACORN of “voter fraud.” These accusations had the appearance of a coordinated campaign. Though actual voter fraud involves knowingly casting an illegal ballot, these accusations occurred before any voting had occurred. The basis of the accusations stemmed from questionable voter registration applications submitted by ACORN-paid workers who had been sent into poor and minority communities to register voters, rather than from voter fraud. Some of the questioned registration applications were erroneous, had questionable names or were duplicates. Others clearly had elements from which one could conclude that some level of dishonesty was involved in the process, such as the registrant claiming the name “Mickey Mouse.”

Conservatives charged that ACORN was intentionally submitting these “fraudulent” applications as part of scheme to “rig” the election, where the problematic registrations would enable people to vote multiple times. ACORN stated that they have quality-control procedures and that registration gatherers are required to flag questionable applications so election officials will know they are suspect, but they were required by law to turn in all registration forms they receive.

The McCain/Palin Presidential campaign joined in these attacks. The McCain Campaign's blog describes a McCain ad attacking ACORN, “”The ad highlights Barack Obama's involvement with ACORN, a group now accused of widespread voter fraud across the country and accused of advocating for the very type of home loans that have led to today's financial crisis.”

During the October 15, 2008 presidential debate, McCain said of ACORN,
“We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama's relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy. The same front outfit organization that your campaign gave $832,000 for “lighting and site selection.” So all of these things need to be examined, of course.”

On October 7, 2008, after weeks of news reports of accusations by Republicans of improper voter registrations, Nevada state authorities raided the Las Vegas offices of ACORN, looking for evidence of voter fraud. The raid was “the result of a joint investigation by state agencies, the U.S. Attorney's Office, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.” The state alleged that “ACORN had hired 59 felons through a work release program as canvassers and submitted nearly 300 apparently fraudulent voter registration cards as part of the drive.” According to one press report, “ACORN officials said they were stunned by the search because they had unilaterally identified and flagged suspicious voter registration cards to the county elections board starting in July and had been cooperating with authorities to cull bad information and fire workers who collected that information, said Brian Mellor, senior counsel for Project Vote.”
No evidence of voter fraud was found in the raid and no charges were filed.

One highly-publicized accusation against ACORN before the 2008 election came from Lake County Indiana. Acorn was accused of submitting “thousands” of “faked” registrations. Approximately two thousand of five thousand registration forms submitted by ACORN had problems. ACORN says that they separated the questionable forms and noted that there might be problems with them, but were required by law to submit all forms that they collect. The Republican Secretary of State asked the Lake County District Attorney to bring charges against the organization for “multiple criminal violations.”
Following the 2008 election Lake County Indiana officials said that “only about five” people from the questioned registrations had called to ask if they could vote, and that there were “no significant problems at the polls because of new voter registration forms generated by the controversial community activist group ACORN.” “Those who did call in had their registrations verified by election staff, and were allowed to cast ballots.”

Obama campaign asks for special prosecutor to look into politicization of ACORN investigation. On October 17, 2008, the Obama campaign send a letter to the Justice department asking that the special prosecutor currently looking into Justice Department politicization expand the scope of that probe to see if the ACORN investigations are related. They compared the decision by the FBI and other government agencies to launch ACORN investigations just before the election with the previous scandal, in which several US attorneys were fired for refusing to pursue politically charged cases, including voter fraud. They also pointed out that only Justice Department insiders could have leaked the news of these investigations..

Actual arrests and prosecutions

Oct. 28, 2005: Denver prosecutors charged two ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) employees with falsely filling out multiple voter forms to boost their pay in a paid registration drive.

One component of the conservative accusations of voter fraud against ACORN was that Barack Obama was closely and extensively associated with the organization. In 1992 Obama had worked for a short time with Project Vote and helped registered 125,000 voters in Illinois that year. Since 1992 Project Vote has become affiliated with ACORN. The additional “association” with ACORN was that in 1995, along with a team of lawyers that included the U.S. Justice Department, Obama represented ACORN and others in a lawsuit against Illinois for failing to implement a federal law designed to make it easier for the poor and others to register as voters. These are the basis of the conservative claims of “association.”

Another alleged association was that the Obama campaign had hired ACORN to collect voter registrations. During the primaries the Obama campaign paid a company called Citizens Services Inc. for “get out the vote” efforts, not voter registration. Conservatives say the company is “affiliated” with ACORN. The company does contract work for ACORN and other organizations.

Of the 1.3 million voter registrations filed by the ACORN/Project Vote efforts in 2008, Project Vote's director Michael Slater estimates that
450,000 were new registrations
450,000 were changes of address
20-25% (260,000-325,000) were duplicates
5% (65,000) were incomplete
1-1.5% (13,000-19,500) were fraudulent

ACORN's investigations found 9,000 questionable registrations, and a lawyer for the group estimated that another 5,000-6,000 additional questionable registrations were turned in , for an estimated undetected error rate of 0.4-0.5%.

ACORN had hired 13,000 temporary workers in 2008 to register voters. They fired 829 of the 10,000 canvassers, roughly 8%.

ACORN compared to other voter registration efforts

Other mass-registration drives have had similar, if not worse problems. In 2006, the California Republican Party experienced problems with fake names on registrations, with an error rate as high as 60 percent.

The actual incidence of vote fraud in the United States is extremely low. According to one study, “from 2002 to 2005 only one person was found guilty of registration fraud. Twenty people were found guilty of voting while ineligible and five people were found guilty of voting more than once.”

Every time you tell a lie, the facts jump up and bite you on your ample ass.


ObamacornLies
Comment posted November 4, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

Sorry, but you are a LIAR!
Every time you tell a lie, the facts jump up and bite you on your ample ass.

ACORN workers in at least nine states have been charged with various crimes related to voter fraud.

At least 50 people have been arrested in connection with ACORN-related voter fraud. Plus four arrest warrants outstanding in Florida.

At least 30 of these cases ended with guilty pleas.

Colorado
10/27/04 Denver prosecutors charged three ACORN workers with falsely filling out multiple voter forms to boost their pay in a paid registration drive. [1] Two were charged with six counts of procuring false registrations, a misdemeanor with a maximum punishment of up to 18 months in jail and a $5,000 fine. [2] One was charged with five counts of perjury. [3] Jan. 2005: Two pleaded guilty and was sentenced to a year of probation and 150 hours of community service.

Colorado
11/9/2004 ACORN worker Kym Michelle Cason was charged with procuring false registrations. [5] 15 counts of felony forgery and five counts of misdemeanor [6] 8/29/05: Charged with an added count of court perjury; pleaded guilty to count 16 (procuring false registration) and count 21 (court perjury).

11/7/05: Sentenced to 2 years probation for each count to be served concurrently. The unprosecuted charges were dismissed

Florida
9/9/09 Seven people were taken into custody in Florida on Sept. 9 as arrest warrants were issued for 11 workers hired by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — or ACORN — on charges of voter registration fraud. [8] (Miami-Dade Co.) Those arrested are charged with several counts of false swearing in connection with voting or elections and submission of false voter registration information, both third-degree felonies.[9] Sept. 9, 2009: Arrest warrants issued, seven in custody and four still being sought.

Michigan
10/08 Michigan Attorney General filed felony forgery charges against a former ACORN employee Antonio Johnson after six falsified voter registration applications were submitted to the city of Jackson in late May and early June 2008. 6 forgery counts, each carrying up to a 14-year prison term.
Dec. 2008: Johnson pleaded guilty to 3 counts of fraudulent voter registration in Jackson County Circuit Court. In Jan. 2009 he was sentenced to 6 months of jail and 2 years probation.

Minnesota
9/04 Former ACORN worker Joshua Reed was charged with a felony for failing to turn in at least 250 complete voter registration cards he collected as part of a new voter drive.[13] Failure to submit voter registration cards, a felony punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. [14] Dec. 2004: Pleaded guilty to forgery and failing to submit the cards to the proper authorities.

Missouri
12/31/2008 Deidra Humphrey, an ACORN voter registration recruiter, was accused of submitting forged and false voter registration cards for the November general election, including forging cards for nursing home residents. Two felony counts of voter registration fraud.
3/24/09: Pleaded guilty to a federal mail fraud charge
6/11/09: Sentenced to three years’ probation.

Missouri
11/2/2006 Four people who worked for an ACORN signing up new voters were indicted on charges of submitting false voter registrations to the Kansas City election board. Two felony counts each of “knowingly and willingly” filing false information Kwaim A. Stenson – pleaded guilty; sentenced to four months and five days.
Brian Gardner – pleaded guilty; sentenced to probation
Dale D. Franklin – pleaded guilty; sentenced to probation.

Missouri
1/5/07 Carmen R. Davis was indicted on charges of charges of election fraud and identity theft Four-count indictment on election fraud and identity theft charges. Pleaded guilty in May 2007 to filing false paperwork; sentenced to 120 days in a halfway house.

Missouri
12/31/07 Eight ACORN workers in St. Louis city and county submitted false registration cards prior to the 2006 election, according to a federal indictment. Multiple counts of election fraud for submitting false voter registration applications to the St. Louis City and St. Louis County Board of Election Commissions falsely stating addresses, names and other information of the voters being registered, and which contained forged signatures of the purported applicants, in violation of Title 42, United States Code, Sections 1973i(c) and 1973 gg-10, election fraud All eight pleaded guilty in April 2008.

Nevada
5/4/2009 A voter registration drive in 2008 illegally required canvassers to meet quotas to keep their jobs and resulted in thousands of “garbage” registrations gumming up Clark County voter rolls, officials said. The complaint names ACORN; Chris Edwards, the group’s former Las Vegas field director; and Amy Busefink, who was regional director for voter registration. 26 counts of Compensation for Registration of Voters, a Category E felony in violation of NRS 293.805 and 13 counts of Principle to the Crime of Compensation for Registration of Voters, also a Category E felony, in violation of NRS 293.805 and NRS 195.020.
Hearing scheduled for Sept. 29, 2009
NEVADA'S FIELD DIRECTER, NOT SOME CRIMINAL FROM JAIL! PLEADED GUILTY AND IS TESTIFYING AGAINST ACORN!

Ohio
5/8/07 Claudel Gilbert of Reynoldsburg was indicted for voting twice in the November 2006 election. He registered in two counties by ACORN. Illegal voting and false registration, both felonies Oct. 2007: Pleaded guilty to voting in Franklin County, where he did not live, and to voting twice, both felonies under Ohio law. Sentenced to probation for one year and fined $500 but suspended a six-month prison sentence

Ohio
9/7/04 ACORN worker Kevin Eugene Dooley was indicted on charges he forged a registration form. Two counts: submitting a false election registration form and submitting a false signature. Both are felonies, punishable by up to a year in prison and a $2,500 fine. 12/1/04: Pleaded guilty to the charge of false election registration and was given a suspended sentence with two years probation.

Ohio
6/5/09 A man who cast a ballot using a fake address in the 2008 presidential election was indicted on charges of tampering with records, false registration and illegal voting.

The indictment of Darnell Nash was the first by the Cuyahoga County prosecutor’s office from a seven-month investigation of ACORN’s voter registration practices. Ten counts of record tampering, eight counts of false registration and one count of illegal voting. Aug. 7, 2009: Nash pleaded guilty to 3 counts including false registration and improper handling of forms. Sentenced to 6 months on each count, concurrent.

Pennsylvania
10/08 Luis Torres-Serrano was charged with falsifying 19 registration applications as a temporary worker for ACORN. 19 counts each of perjury, false swearing, forgery and identity theft 4/24/09: Pleaded guilty to all charges and was given state intermediate punishment — a 2-year program that begins in prison and moves to halfway houses — plus 5 years probation.

Pennsylvania
5/7/09 The Allegheny County District Attorney charged seven people with forgery and other violations, saying they worked with the group ACORN to deliver forged registrations during the 2008 election. Combined 51 counts of forgery and other violations. The forgery counts are third degree felonies Pending as of July 2009.

Pennsylvania
March 2007 Berks County detectives obtained a warrant for the arrest of Richard W. Brown and Wendy Godfrey. They were accused of accused of creating 29 phony voter registration forms. Conspiracy, forgery, tampering with records and identity theft 2/08: Brown pleaded guilty to identity theft and tampering with records and was sentenced to 146 days to 23 months in the county prison. 3/08: Godfrey pleaded guilty to tampering with public records and was sentenced to 23 days to one year in county prison.

Pennsylvania
10/22/2008 Jemar Barksdale was charged with forgery for allegedly altering 18 voter registration applications during his employment with ACORN. 108 counts, including forgery, theft and records tampering. Nov. 2008: Barksdale pleaded guilty to forgery, theft and other charges and was sentenced to six to 23 months of home and pay ACORN $574 restitution.

Washington
5/27/07 Prosecutors filed felony charges against seven people in what one official described as the worst case of voter registration fraud in state history. The seven workers submitted about 1,800 false registration cards in Fall 2006 on behalf of ACORN. Two were charged with eight counts each of providing false information on a voter registration; two were charged with two counts each; and two were charged with one count each. One was charged with one count of providing false information on a voter registration and one count of making a false statement to a public official. Oct. 2007: Ryan Olson pleaded guilty to two counts of providing false information on a voter-registration application; sentenced to 30 days in jail or in electronic home detention. Tina Johnson and Jayson Woods pleaded guilty to 8 counts each of registration fraud; 120 days of jail recommended for each. Clifton Mitchell served more than 90 days in jail after pleading guilty to two counts of providing false information on a voter registration.

IDON'T THINK I SAW IN THERE WHERE OBAMA ACTUALLY DID TRAINING AT ACORN. HE TRAINED THESE PEOPLE AND SHOWED THEM HOW TO COMMIT THIS FRAUD. HE KNEW FROM WHEN HE WAS A LITTLE BOY THAT HE WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT, SAYS HIS GRANDMOTHER AND HE KNEW THAT HE WOULD NEED THEM TO KNOW HOW TO COMMIT FRAUD AND HELP HIM WIN!

OBAMA ALSO, WAS ACORNS LAWYER IN A CASE THAT FORCED BANKS TO GIVE LOANS TO PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT PAY THEM BACK. THIS IS WHERE THE BIG HOUSING CRISIS STARTED “WITH OBAMA”. IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, IS THE SAME PERSON WHO IS MAINLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOUSING PROBLMES WE HAVE NOW.

AND YES, PEOPLE VOTED, NOT JUST SIGNED APPLICATIONS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geWx0R7Wvw4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMgkrTQtf3w

SORRY, BUT YOU ARE WRONGGGGGGG!


Anteni
Comment posted November 5, 2009 @ 4:40 am

Who would believe someone who can't even read a court ruling, and then pretends that they do. Honestly, you have committed an obvious strategical error. Why would anyone trust anything you claim after that error.


Anteni
Comment posted November 5, 2009 @ 4:45 am

Why did you leave out the seat the GOP has held since the Civil War. You the one that the GOP has held for over 140 years. New York 23rd, isn't it.

What is funny that it hasn't really change the balance of power.


bearclaw
Comment posted November 5, 2009 @ 1:37 pm

“Barksdale pleaded guilty to forgery, theft and other charges and was sentenced to six to 23 months of home and pay ACORN $574 restitution.”

Nice example. ACORN was the victim of the fraud. That is why Barksdale had to pay restitution. Get a clue.


chrisjay
Comment posted November 5, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

Corney, I am so very excited for you! You have finally come around to this 'democracy' thing we keep referencing. The important thing, however, will be to remind yourself that you can't really ignore some elections and embrace others: it's a package deal. I know that's a scary prospect for you, but it's just how we do things here in America


chrisjay
Comment posted November 5, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Corny get a clue?
Sorry, that ship has sailed…


ObamacornLies
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 12:20 am

OHHHHH YEAHHHHH!

Thursday, November 5, 2009
Congressmen ask for Obama's birth certificate – U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal and “several colleagues” to ask Obama to release birth certificate

U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, now a Republican candidate for governor, this morning declared himself in sympathy with those questioning whether President Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

The occasion was an online chat the congressman had with supporters this morning. And the question came from Tom Crawford of Capitol Impact.

“Do you believe that Barack Obama is a native-born American citizen who is eligible to serve as president? I am asking because your comments on this issue have been a little ambiguous. I would appreciate your clearing this up.”

At 9:17 a.m., Deal tapped out this:

“I am joining several of my colleagues in the House in writing a letter to the President asking that he release a copy of his birth certificate so we can have an answer to this question.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Somehow, you know its coming. That OMG moment is just around the corner. You can feel the inescapable reality creeping up on you. Something will leak. Someone will spill the beans.

“For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.”
Luke 8:17

Obama “I have nothing to hide but I’m hiding it.”


chrisjay
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 1:47 pm

Sonny Bono was once a congressman—that is, until the day he found that pharmaceuticals, snow skis and trees do not mix.
My point is, cobbling together a couple of congressman to make a little Birfer noise is no mean feat.
It is as meaningless as the rest of your barking and howling.
The day I realized that people like you arecapable of using the internet and western-style toilets was my OMG moment.


Anteni
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Birthers get a meaningless story and run with it. Does Lies honestly believe after Nathan Deal has a legitimate chance of being successful. Lies should spend more of his time interviewing the congressman, and ask Deal if he is really running for governor or planning on retiring from congress soon.

Lies, is just a moron.


AXJ_SUCKS
Comment posted November 7, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

Have you heard about the stupid birthtards
Beaten down by the facts every time
Have you heard about the stupid birthtards
They're all losers, but they still keep on tryin'

Oooooooh-hooooooo-hooooooo
Oooooooh-ooooooh-hoooooooo

Sit down, take a look at yourselves'
Don't you want to love Obama?
Everyday the people see your lies
You have to face up, you can't run and hide

Have you heard about the stupid birthtards
Beaten down by the facts every time
Have you heard about the stupid birthtards
They're all losers, but they still keep on tryin'

Unlucky in law
Least that's what they say
They lost their brains
And they threw all their thoughts away
They still keep searching
Though there's nothing left
Stake their cost as lost
Now they have to pay the cost

Have you heard about the stupid birthtards
Beaten down by the facts every time
Have you heard about the stupid birthtards
They're all losers, but they still keep on tryin'

“It's not okay”, they frown and say
'Cause this president is driving them crazy
They all show what goes on in their heads
And if you watch then you'll see they're paranoid

Sit down, take a look at yourselves'
Don't you want to love Obama?
Everyday the people sees your lies
You have to face up, you can't run and hide

Have you heard about the stupid birthtards
Beaten down by the facts every time
Have you heard about the stupid birthtards
They're all losers, but they still keep on tryin'

Have you heard about the stupid birthtards

Have you heard about the stupid birthtards

Have you heard about the stupid birthtards

Now tell me have you heard about the stupid birthtards


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted November 10, 2009 @ 2:30 am

ARE YOU ANGRY YET?

By Lynn Stuter
November 10, 2009
NewsWithViews.com

Tomorrow is Veterans Day, commemorating our men and women who fought (and died) to keep this country free under the Constitution and Bill of Rights established by our Founding Fathers.

On November 4, 2008, Barack Hussein Obama was elected to the office of president of the United States. The evidence grows that Obama is not an American citizen, was not eligible to the office he holds, should never have been allowed on the ballot in any of the 50 states.

1. Not one of the Senators of Representatives in Congress has actually seen Obama's birth certificate. They have seen pictures of a document posted on the internet, but they have not seen the actual birth certificate.

2. Hawaii claims to hold a birth certificate for Obama but that does not mean Obama was born in Hawaii. At the time Obama contends he was born (1961), Hawaii (Act 96, Session Laws of 1911, Special Session of 1909 and the Organic Act) allowed for the birth registration, in Hawaii, of foreign-born children. Until the actualbirth certificate is produced and examined; where Obama was actually born is unknown and unproven.

3. No Hawaiian hospital is willing to own up to Obama being born there. Meanwhile, Obama and his half-sister have claimed he was born at two different hospitals. When Obama finally decided he was born at one particular hospital, internet sites set about to “correct” their stories to reflect his unproven claims, including the left-wing website, Snopes.com.

4. On page 26 of his book, Dreams from my Father (2004, paperback edition), Obama states he found his birth certificate in with other documents in his grandparents home. If Obama was actually born in Hawaii, such undermines the need for Hawaii to produce a laser printed document only produced after 2001—the Certification of Live Birth that has appeared in pictures on the internet, that Hawaii refuses to authenticate, and that forensic experts have dubbed a forgery.

5. Obama has claimed dual citizenship at birth, American by his mother, Kenyan by his father (actually, this would be British as Kenya was a British colony at that time). Historically, “natural-born” requires two American parents. This makes Obama ineligible under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States Constitution, irrespective of the birth certificate issue. Whether a dual citizen at birth, indications are that Obama because an Indonesian citizen and remains so today.

6. African newspapers have consistently claimed that Obama is “Kenyan-born”. One such article that recently surfaced is dated 2004. This means he did not have dual citizenship at birth was a British subject at birth as his mother was not of the age required to confer her citizenship to Obama.

7. Obama's paternal step-grandmother, Sarah, also claims he was born in Kenya and she was present at his birth.

8. Obama was listed, in the Soetoro/Dunham divorce papers, as dependent on Lolo Soetoro for the purposes of education. As Obama was over the age of 18 at the time, he could only be considered the legal child of Lolo Soetoro if he was legally adopted by Soetoro. Evidence points to him being adopted by Lolo Soetoro, to becoming (ca 1966) an Indonesian citizen. No evidence exists that he was ever an American or that he reclaimed American citizenship. The terminology used in the divorce papers may have been to facilitate Obama in receiving foreign student aid to attend college in the United States.

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9. Indications are that Nancy Pelosi and other Democrat National Committee personnel knew Barack Hussein Obama was not eligible to the office of president; that the nomination of a non-American as the Democrat candidate was deliberate.

Since his usurping of the office of president, Obama has worked tirelessly to dismantle what remains of the once great nation, the United States of America. He has

1. plunged this nation $1.4 trillion dollars further in debt, more than any president in history;
2. pushed every piece of Marxist legislation to come forth from the House and Senate;
3. taken over private companies in violation of the United States Constitution;
4. used the public coffers to bail out his Wall Street benefactors;
5. used his public office to promote and assist radical left-wing organizations like the Black Panthers, ACORN, and Moveon.org;
6. surrounded himself with czars who have a known Marxist agenda;
7. traveled the world denigrating America and the American people;
8. bowed in fealty to his Muslim brothers;
9. partied hearty in the White House at taxpayer expense while Americans lost their jobs;
10. insulted America's allies at every opportunity while affiliating himself with the leaders of Marxist regimes.

More recently, one of Obama's Muslim brothers shot and killed at least 13 people, wounded at least 31 at Ft Hood in Texas. While former President George Bush and his wife, Laura, met with families, the wounded, and mourners, Obama was in DC, twisting the arms of members of the U.S. House of Representatives to pass his Marxist healthcare reform bill (H.R. 3962). After all, if he can't kill them with bullets, what better way to kill them than by withholding (rationing) health care?

In commemorating the men and women who have died for our country, for the cause of freedom, Public Television broadcast a show Sunday night on the vast cemeteries that sprinkle the European landscape where Americans fought and thousands died in World War II. They fought for their country and for those who came after them, their progeny.

And now we stand at the precipice of the totalitarian state with a man occupying the White House, usurping the Oval Office, who isn't an American; who has, by his own actions and words, declared himself a Marxist.

The United States Congress, assembled, has refused to remove this usurper sitting illegitimately as our president.

The United States Supreme Court, and lower courts, have refused to address the growing body of evidence that Barack Hussein Obama is not our legitimate president; going so far as to make the ludicrous claim that they cannot overturn the vote of millions, in essence saying that popular vote (if it could even be claimed to be uncorrupted) is above the law.

The mainstream media of the United States has refused to expose this illegitimate president. Indications are that their actions are the result of threats and duress should they expose Obama for the fraud he is.

If those who are supposed to uphold our laws, according to their oath of office, refuse to do so, then they leave the American people no choice but to take matters into their own hands.

This past week we have seen three shootings occur in this country—in Florida, in Texas, and in Washington state. Each of these shootings was directed against a company or government entity seen as unjust. This is the direct result of the refusal of those entrusted to do so, to uphold the law; this is a direct result of the corruption that permeates our government and the companies now seen as partnered with it in the fascist state. When the rule of law breaks down, and it has, then anarchy reigns.

All the men and women who have died for this country, it would seem, from the War of Independence to present day, have died in vain.

Are you angry yet?

© 2009 Lynn M. Stuter – All Rights Reserved

Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter166.htm


KitKat
Comment posted November 11, 2009 @ 2:03 am

At least Sonny died long before his daughter decided she should have been born a boy. Maybe the Bono name can somehow be passed on?


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted November 11, 2009 @ 12:07 pm

Reading the news on http://www.axjnews.com

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=3052

Orly Taitz Protest Against Bill O'Reilly, Fox News Planned


anitadunnce
Comment posted November 17, 2009 @ 12:31 pm

Twice I have posted a comment on the Orly Taitz web site that is similar to the following, and twice the moderator there (Orly herself? I don't know) has seen fit to reject my comment. I wrote a comment first in response to her original Motion for Reconsideration of the Order to Dismiss filed in the Central District of California Alan Keyes v. Barack Obama case. Yesterday, I posted a comment on the Orly Taitz web site as a critique of both the original and the Amended Motion for Reconsideration filed by Orly Taitz in California. The relevance of my comments posted on this particular blog is that the same lack of appropriate legal professionalism and rude, insulting arrogance exhibited by attorney Orly Taitz toward the Court appears to obtain in both the California and the Georgia cases.

I am an attorney in active practice, although not in California or Georgia, and I also am an adjunct faculty member who teaches English at a local university, although I do not teach a class every quarter.

It is absolutely beyond my understanding that an attorney would file with the Court a pleading that contains contractions, to-wit: “should've”, which is one of the most noteworthy and glaring examples of slang in Orly Taitz's pleadings. Contractions have no legitimate place in professional legal writing. In addition, an attorney should know that the possessive “its” does not contain an apostrophe, as the meaning of “it's” or “it is” is entirely different. I was appalled to see that glaring error in the revised motion.

The above are the only two comments that I intend to enter regarding the Amended Motion, because I have no intention of reading the revised form of the motion all over for a second time. I read the first motion, and that was enough time spent by me. Because the same errors seem to appear in Orly Taitz's Amended Motion, I conclude that she did not care to read, take to heart, or implement any of the grammatical/stylistic changes that I had suggested prior to her drafting of the Amended Motion for Reconsideration filed in California.

I do recall that two of my other comments relating to the original motion were the inappropriateness of the comment about how many medical exams the attorney has taken. It is unusual and bizarre, to say the least, for anyone to think that the Court cares a whit about that, or that medical exams have any relevance to the issues before the Court. In addition, there were several examples of other slang (“as a matter of fact”), in addition to hyperbole (“clearly”, “obviously”, “everyone knows”) in the original motion that had no place in competent, professional legal writing. I wonder why no one proofread/edited the motion before it was filed with the Court, because both the original Motion for Reconsideration and the Amended Motion filed by Orly Taitz in California appear to have been written by an incompetent first-year law student who has not completed the two-semester Legal Research and Writing course.

In addition, language in the original motion insulted the Court in two ways. First, the attorney addressed the Court rudely in the second person, which is simply too direct and too familiar, and thus inappropriate when addressing the Court. It is cheeky, and therefore rude. In addition, Orly Taitz insulted the Court by assuming that judges do very little work, and that they all have their law clerks write their trial opinions and rulings on motions. I was employed for nearly two years right out of law school for a State District Court Judge, and my Judge made it a point to tell me at our interview that he writes his own opinions. I am of the opinion that all judges work hard and often stay evenings and come in on weekends to complete the mountains of legal work with which they are saddled. Orly Taitz clearly does not share my respect and high opinion of the judiciary. One does not need a law degree to understand that it is simply not smart to insult a judge from whom one hopes to receive a positive ruling. If Orly Taitz is as intelligent as she claims, then it is surprising that she does not understand this point. For all of the above reasons, I would be very surprised, not to say shocked, if the Amended Motion for Reconsideration in California is successful.

I also think that Orly Taitz will have difficulty finding any attorney to assist her in drafting pleadings, because it would embarrass most of us to have our name associated with such poor legal writing and such rude insults to the Court.

I wish Orly Taitz well, because I do believe that Obama is ineligible to be U.S. President under the Constitution, but if these two forms of the Motion for Reconsideration of the Order to Dismiss in California are any indication of the sort of pleading that these several Courts, including the Goergia Court, have been reading, it is amazing that even the California case survived as long as it did.


webtasarimi
Comment posted November 23, 2009 @ 4:10 am

Twice I have posted a comment on the Orly Taitz web site that is similar to the following, and twice the moderator there (Orly herself? I don't know) has seen fit to reject my comment. I wrote a comment first in response to her original Motion for Reconsideration of the Order to Dismiss filed in the Central District of California Alan Keyes v. Barack Obama case.


kristimonkey
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 3:12 am

This judge had connections with Obama way back in Chicago and there were deals. obama had multiple ss# and this judge was involved.
The problem is Obama; he decided to run for the highest office in the US. HE should be fined more than that amount for having the audacity to not provide the American people a certified birth certificate and imformation. Now the interest is really grown. he could provide and he has not. he stated in his Book that he had a real long birth certificate. Doctos sign birth certificates and they state what hopsital they were born in. Obama has not prodcued it. So may problem this is, it is the FAULT of obama. he could easily have cleared it up and hasn't. So until he does this will never die. We are waiting.


kristimonkey
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 3:19 am

You do not write so great either. We got your number, ya hear?


kristimonkey
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 3:23 am

As you can see the pre-existing is smoke and mirrors to fool people with no brains; the Senate specifically voted to approve an ammendment to allow the Big Insurance Companies to “DENY” any care they want to the very sick. So…these Dems fooled you all. You got nothing except more money and power for insurance and confusion for the people. Obama is the next Stalin as in Communist Russia, cold War, etc.


Dr. Maloney
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 8:59 am

Monkey sums it up. Your comments about the judge, multiple SS#s, etc. are hilarious and wrong. The U.S. government does not require doctor signatures or the hospital in which they were born to be placed on a birth certificate. Now listen carefully:

In order to determine what threshold of proof is for ‘Birth Certificates’ we must look at what the laws passed by the Congress have to say in this regard. There is no specific law that has been passed by Congress that is directly aimed at proving the authenticity of a state issued Birth Certificate, but there is clear guidance in this matter. Congress has specifically authorized a means for a citizen to prove citizenship, and this authority has been provided under a General Law.

The Congress has granted the Secretary of State, and by implication the Department of State, the authority to issue Passports under US Code, Title 22, Chapter 4.. The granting of authority to the Department of State to issue a Passport implies that the authority to prescribe the manner in which citizenship must be proved has also been granted.

When this authority has been granted to a federal Department or Agency, the rules that the Department or Agency will use are then promulgated as regulations. These regulations are maintained as part of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). The Department of State has issued regulations under CFR22.51.42 that state the following requirements for a citizen to prove birth in the United States:

(a) Primary evidence of birth in the United States. A person born in the United States generally must submit a birth certificate. The birth certificate must show the full name of the applicant, the applicant’s place and date of birth, the full name of the parent(s), and must be signed by the official custodian of birth records, bear the seal of the issuing office, and show a filing date within one year of the date of birth.

The State of Hawaii has issued a Certification of Live Birth that meets all of the requirements of CFR 22.51.42. That Birth Certificate is certified by the State of Hawaii, and is considered proven by the Laws of the United States. It will be up to anyone who challenges its authenticity to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the Birth Certificate is actually invalid.

There is a very high standard of proof that must be met in order to override the Constitutional ‘Full Faith and Credit’ standard granted to the State of Hawaii in this matter. That standard of proof would require that the complainant show proof that there was an actual fraud committed by the State of Hawaii in the certification of that Birth Certificate, or that the certificate itself was fraudulent. Either way, the burden of proof rests with the complainant. Merely making accusations that this may have happened is not sufficient.

This would be true even if a foreign power were to present a Birth Certificate that was claimed to show birth in another country. Under the standard of ‘Full Faith and Credit’ that is specifically provided for in the Constitution, the public records of the State of Hawaii would take precedence over the public records of any foreign power. In order to meet the required burden of proof, the foreign record would not only have to be proven as true, but also the State of Hawaii’s record would have to be proven separately as false.

Demanding President Obama's birth certificate is the 21st century version of 19th century demands of newly freed slaves: Show me your papers. And when they did they were still lynched. Hatred makes you blind.

I urge you to seek to unite our country. Not divide. Seek to pursue issues that truly matter, that you truly disagree with within the normal civil discourse. Seek to be an American among Americans, as our President does. Truly embrace the beauty of our democracy to offer the highest office in the land the the most humble of it's servants. Disagree with our newly democratically elected President, but show him the same respect I showed George Bush- who was not elected, but appointed by the Supreme Court.

Stay in school.


harold Franklin
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 12:13 pm

If you knew anything about Birth Certificates, which obviously you do not or you have scanned your information from Right Wing Nut Job sites, than you would know, the certificate you are talking about is an informational one. Informational Certificates ARE CERTIFIED. But the information is redacted for the privacy of the individual on the certificate. Here in California, we have a whole system for doing that called VERISA. I work at a County Clerk's Office and the rules are pretty uniform. The reason you don't do release the full one not redacted is proved by Ms. Taitz herself who got fooled by an Australian Certificate which was forged to be a Kenyan Certificate.

If you are going to cite rules. You should at least make an effort to know them and get them from an independent source.


anitadunnce
Comment posted December 26, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

LOLOLOL

Are you one of the Communist inner circle in the Obama administration?
Yeah, it figures. Long on threats, short on education.

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anitadunnce
Comment posted December 29, 2009 @ 10:59 am

Hey, Kristimonkey—- Since you sound like a goofy, mindless lemming who is
willing to jump off a cliff if Obama tells you to, here is a special holiday
gift for you (careful—- don't drink that tainted koolaid that Obama is
serving!!)

“I've Got a Crush on Obama”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU

Merry Christmas…. (oops…. if you're one of Obama's Extremist Muslim
pals, or his Communist best friends, or his Rev. Wright ugly and racist
haters, I guess you will not want to hear Merry Christmas, will you? Tough
for you.

Happy New Year, Kristimonkeylemming….

Truly yours,
Anita Dunnce
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Anthony
Comment posted January 1, 2010 @ 1:25 am

It seems that what is being discussed is more misinformation. What some people don't understand is that there are actually people like me that do research on anything that we doubt. When we hear the same misinformation from the same people we generally dismiss the omissions or challenge the claim.

It was long before Obama's presidency that people in America could be denied health care coverage. That was one of the impetuses behind health care coverage.

Attempting to associate the president with Stalin in no way strengthens your argument. However, it does re-enforce the fact that there are those who are more intent on spreading information than engaging in a real debate.


Anthony
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 12:31 pm

Well not angry. Why should anyone get angry at people who use the internet to propagate misinformation? There is no reason for that. Nor is there any reason to be concerned by someone wasting their time some that resembles poor fiction.

Also the copyright symbol isn't needed even if the original author wants to submit the text under fiction. There are no worry of it be translated either.


Anthony
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 11:30 pm

Why don't you just rebut the comments made instead of attempt to insult others. The only thing that you have accomplished is to convince someone that you are an irrational person.


Anthony
Comment posted January 3, 2010 @ 11:45 pm

It is good to read someone comments who are able to present clear arguments. However, it is sad to see then engage in the same behavior that they obviously condemn.

As, not being a lawyer as you are I do understand legal precedent. Unfortunately, for those who subscribe to the birther conspiracy theory Barak H. Obama is “eligible to be U.S. President under the Constitution” and America law. It would have been assumed that you would have done the research to find some legal arguments to support the plaintiff's position.

One thing is very important to understand. No matter how grammatically correct and well written an argument no based on fabrications, it is still not based on fabrications. The reason for this is that there will always be someone with the same knowledge on the topic as the author will notice this. Also, if the errors are large enough a non-expert will also notice the errors.


Anthony
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 4:30 am

Why don't you just rebut the comments made instead of attempt to insult others. The only thing that you have accomplished is to convince someone that you are an irrational person.


Anthony
Comment posted January 4, 2010 @ 4:45 am

It is good to read someone comments who are able to present clear arguments. However, it is sad to see then engage in the same behavior that they obviously condemn.

As, not being a lawyer as you are I do understand legal precedent. Unfortunately, for those who subscribe to the birther conspiracy theory Barak H. Obama is “eligible to be U.S. President under the Constitution” and America law. It would have been assumed that you would have done the research to find some legal arguments to support the plaintiff's position.

One thing is very important to understand. No matter how grammatically correct and well written an argument no based on fabrications, it is still not based on fabrications. The reason for this is that there will always be someone with the same knowledge on the topic as the author will notice this. Also, if the errors are large enough a non-expert will also notice the errors.


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