The Washington Post Botches It on Orly Taitz

Good points…what is even more disturbing (as disturbing as how the post botched the article) is that there are so many people who do not understand the law enough to understand that the burden of proof in a legal matter is not on the defense. Nor are the laws of other countries applicable in this country…

I'm amazed at how so many people can be misled, whether it's truthers, birthers, indicters, or any other group that got off the common sense bus.

Its the WaPo, they've spent the past year chasing after the Washington Times to find the bottom of the barrel. I'm surprised they didn't match this up with matching puff pieces of Eric Rudolph and Augusto Pinochet.

You use that same old tired weak attack the messenger strategy, to protect your position you can't defend with fact and logic. Why are YOU so afraid to examine Obama's records. Is it because your afraid of what you may find and you can't handle the truth ? That's it, call me a truther or is it birther, anything to avoid looking at the facts. And what are the facts ? All we know is Obama has NEVER produced any of his school, health, or “birth” records. So ask yourself what are you afraid of, The Truth. You seem to protect Obama like a cult figure like Jim Jones, hmm.. Examining his records is the Only way to find the truth.

Examining your head will reveal many ugly truths—-I can't handle 'em

The birthers, the tea baggers, the screamers, and the deathers continued extreme minority presence will become tiresome to mainstream America, if it has not already done so. To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true, if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it. In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”. I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Sanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC).

I think the Post article was informative. I'd never heard of the freak, and now I know.

The only thing you know is you don't know. You can't possibly know the facts since the facts i.e records of Obama are sealed from “We The People” And the people who are afraid of the facts being revealed continue to attack people who dare question. After you exhaust the cute little third grade “birther, teabagger, truther” comments maybe you can actually pretend to be adults and answer the question. Why does Obama hide his school, health, and birth records, what is he hiding ?

Insane conspiracy theories based on nothing are not “facts,” Joan Wilder. The fact is there is absolutely no reason to believe that Obama is anything other than a natural born citizen, and every piece of evidence points to that conclusion.

And refusing to acknowledge or submit to the demands of crazy people is not “hiding.” It's the only reasonable response to unreasonable people.

For once, I agree with Weigel! The WaPo did botch the story.

24braincells likely agrees that WaPo botched the story, not because it is too light on the crazy dentist lady but because it doesn't unilaterally depose the President for being an evil Muslim or something. I won't give him what he's looking for–traffic for his crappy website–so I'm not sure of the exact complaint, but it seems as likely as any given 24braincells limited capacity and tendency toward extremely ignorant forms of crazy.

Obama has shown his official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it have been confirmed by the two officials in Hawaii.

As the Wall Street Journal said: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.

The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not “resolve the issue” to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well.”

Taitz–nutty, or not, even Obama's defenders have to admit that there's SOMETHING funny in his backstory. Here's a very public person, who has admitted to cocaine use, promised 'openness and transparency', but won't release the most mundane of records. No detailed birth records (just a possibly-edited JPEG of a COLB). No school records. Conflicting statements about his birthplace. Aside from documentation pertaining to his birthplace, Mr Transparency won't tell his voters which lobbyists he met with, when he was Senator.

The hillarious thing is that the mainstream press has villified 'birthers' as crazy conspiracy theorists, brandishing forged documents. Pot calling the kettle black? After 'Rathergate'–when one of the worst document forgeries in recent history was presented as 'news'–the mainstream media pissed away all credibility. No wonder people've turned to the blogosphere.

Really, none of this should be surprising. The media-telecom industry have always been big Democrat donors. This time, they coughed up much of the Obama-Biden campaign's staggering $700M+ campaign kitty. This time, there's real urgency, as well. When TVs finally go digital (Obama's delayed this–AGAIN), the media-telecom industry desperately wants the Bush FCC's whitespace spectrum reallocation decision overturned. (They've even been to court over this multibillion dollar issue.) Why would they run negative coverage on the candidate they've bought and paid for?

Did Weigel read the entire article? Weigel writes:

“First, the argument Mundy missed….The thing is, Taitz has consistently argued that even if neither of those things were true, Obama would be ineligible for the presidency because his father was Kenyan, and that would have bestowed British citizenship on his son thanks to the 1948 Nationalities Act.”

The last page of the article states:

“In Taitz's case, there's what she calls 'a two-prong test.' Bucking the common view that 'natural born citizen' — the constitutional requirement for a U.S. president — means, generally speaking, born on American soil, she argues that to be president a person must not only be born here but must also be the child of parents who were both U.S. citizens at the time of his birth.”

While articles is full of faint praise, the author did mention Taitz's second theory.

Hmm. “insane and conspiracy theories” And you believe he is a natural born citizen based on what evidence ? Since you can't ask why does Obama refuse to produce his records without making up excuses, ask the state of Hawaii why they now say his birth certificate was “Amended” What did they “Amend” the hospital, the doctor, hmm maybe the country of birth ! Unless we see the records we can only speculate and you can continue to defend Jim Jones err. uhh Barack Hussein Obama

Tell me and the rest of cyber world why then did he have his records sealed ? Thats okay we all know, and you know, You are to emotionally invested in being right. Thats why you can't look at his records, because your afraid of what you may find, otherwise you would insist Obama produce his records and quiet those angry white “racist' “teabaggers” “truthers” “birthers” clinging to there guns and religion. But it would appear the truth is not what you seek but what you want to hide.

Obama's detractors are multitudinous and well-funded so rest assured, if there's some fire amidst the suffocating smoke it will be ferreted out. Look at the bang you got for all the bucks Scaife et al paid out to get Clinton. You got Paula Jones & Linda Tripp! Oh, and an unsuccessful impeachment. Keep hope alive Birfers!
The rest of us will have unending entertainment at your expense and in return you get to hope and pray that there's some 'there' there.
Tell yourself the scoffers'll be sorry and your vindication will be total. Moe Larry & Orly will have the last laugh.

And, if Obama's team wins, you can kiss cheap broadband goodby! :p

In a message dated 10/6/2009 4:38:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

why then did he have his records sealed ?

He didn't. None of his records are sealed. The story by WND that the
governor of Hawaii “sealed the records” is false. She didn't. The records in
Hawaii are private. That's all. The college records are private, that's all.
The WND story that there are records in Kenya that the Kenyan government
“sealed,” hasn't been confirmed by anyone. There are no records in Kenya to be
sealed. Obama has posted and shown his official birth certificate from Ha
waii, and the facts on it were confirmed by the two officials in Hawaii.

I don't require Obama to show his records because doing so is stating openly that I believe he is guilty. In America, we are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. Orly Taitz and the Birthers are doing nothing but attempting to try Obama in a kangaroo court of public opinion. Using fake certificates and other fake documents to force Obama to reveal his records is not only illegal, but it hasn't worked in a single court case yet. And it's not going to work in Judge Carter's court in California either.

And this is why WND is such a respectable news outlet that feeds the Birther Movement. Sheesh!!! They post articles that the Kenyan BC's are fake then turn around and claim the same BC's are enough to force Obama to prove his is not real…

Not only are the records private, but we have HIPPA laws and Privacy Laws in America to protect American Citizens from nutjobs like these Birthers.

But the Birthers refuse to understand that they do not have standing to see the records nor do they understand they cannot form their own grand juries outside of the court system based on old english laws that do not apply to American Citizens…Just look up american grand jury for a real good laugh, then remember these nut jobs are voters too…

What's the point? Even if we did, you'd just say they were all fakes and produce a photocopies “birth certificate” from Venezuela or something. How about:

1) You get a witness who hasn't got a previous conviction for fraud

2) You get a Kenyan birth certificate not written in crayon.

Then we can talk about looking at Obama's papers.

Right now, all you have is frauds and forgeries.

If there were truly a fire under the smoke, the Clinton's would have revealed it during the campaign. They found the same anomolies and failed to prove that Obama was not a citizen. What makes anyone else think that a half-baked Dentist/Lawyer/Real Estate Broker can do any better?

The entertainment value would be even better if the courts were not being jammed up with this nonsense…LOL!

Smart guy: You can't post paper on the internet. You can only post digital representations. That's why it's a JPEG.

Do you think you, an internet loon, merit having a personal copy of Obama's birth certificate mailed to you?

Ah yes, Orange County. I spent most of my life there. When I was young the Birchers (funny how close that sounds to Birthers) were pretty thick on the ground. I had heard that they celebrated JFK's assassination; I was just old enough in '68 to see with my own eyes how they rejoiced upon hearing the news of MLK's death. “we finally got the nigger!” exclaimed one gleeful neighbor, a thirtyish housewife whose boy went to gradeschool with me. I'm sure Orly's right at home amongst my ex-homeys…

It's not cheap now…In the future I may not be able to afford hooking the mothership up to the local cable system to feed my communications network…that will be a sad day indeed…my stormtroopers will miss the scifi channel when that happens… :P

WND has always been a bit light in true news. The American Grand Jury is a scam. They have been laughed out of every court they have been in and now they have their own forged document that they are using to make people continue to donate, but checking the court docket records show's it is a forgery. Let those who believe be suckered in, it would make P.T. Barnum proud.

Which is it, Adam: Do you believe he's a Kenyan or is that, in the interest of saving cheap broadband from Obama, the ends justify the means?

I believe it based on the legal certification of the State of Hawaii over any nutjob that cannot see the truth and has to make up elaborate fantasies about foreign births, newspaper corruption, state level manipulation of facts back in 1961 just so that Obama could be placed in power in 2008? Nope, he was elected. He's a citizen. Time to move on.

I am an Obama supporter and I don't have to admit there is ANYTHING “funny” about his “backstory” or, in English, his biography. More crazy rantings do not make a better case.

Your right ! How dare the Navy require me to produce my school records and birth certificate when I enlisted or the Public school require proof of citizenship when I enrolled my child, or the DOD investigation I submitted to when I needed a secret security clearance at my job. I should have had all my records sealed and then nut jobs like you and your Kool Aid drinking Obominate Cultist friends would have come to my defence and demanded I keep my job

If you look at your birth certificate it has a certificate number the name of the Hospital the name of the doctor the hospital administrator and an embossed seal. None of which are on the Obama posted alleged birth certificate. But then maybe it is there and only Obominate cultist can see it.

This happened because Obama's team was worried that giving away the number
would allow someone to hack into the Hawaii system. This was not true, but
they didn't have time to check. So, they blacked out the number. When they
gave out the copies to FactCheck and Polifact they had found out that the
number didn't let anyone hack into Hawaii's system, so the number can be
clearly seen on the copies of FactCheck and Polifact.

But it is the FACTS on the document that are important, and the officials
in Hawaii have twice confirmed the facts that Obama was born in Hawaii, and
this was further confirmed by the notices in the Hawaii newspapers that
were sent out by the government of Hawaii for births in Hawaii, and not for
births outside of Hawaii.

Good point.

Thank you all for your blind faith and support of President Barack Hussein Obama. We are pleased to know many of you who missed your flight on Hail Bopp will partake in the refreshments i.e Kool Aid being served in the rose garden of the Whitehouse

The woman got into the USA by marring a US citizen..she isn't even an American and you trust her…from the USSR???
I'll believe the Republican Governor of Hawaii…Obama is a citizen and our President!
Go watch Beck or listen to Rush….you need to know what your next move is.

And you believe he is a natural born citizen based on what evidence ?

His mother was an American. That's all that's necessary.

Since you can't ask why does Obama refuse to produce his records without making up excuses

He released his birth certificate more than a year ago. Dumbass.

ask the state of Hawaii why they now say his birth certificate was “Amended”

I could ask them, but since they don't say that they would probably be confused by my question.

Unless we see the records we can only speculate

Speculate all you want. Nobody gives a shit what you crazy fucks say.

He didn't have any records sealed, lying sack of shit birther.

My birth certificate has none of those things, except for the seal. Dumbass.

Thanks for bringing your idiotic crazy bullshit to this corner of the internet. Always good for a laugh.

Relax child, I understand your angry but it's not me your angry at it's reality finally sinking in. Realizing you voted for a Fraud and you've been sucked into a cult and you don't know how to escape.

I'm not angry. You idiots are hilarious. Keep trying, please.

Oh yeah….sign up to help rewrite the bible while your at it…..
you do know Christ himself was a liberal…
another WTF moment!!

Oh my what language, that must make you feel superior. Kind of like the way Obama felt when he couldn't put two sentences together and hired his Terrorist pal William Ayers to write Dreams of my father. Don't worry there are anger management classes you can attend when you escape the Cult.

Realty isn't a cult, but I'm sure it looks strange to someone as demented as you. Don't forget to take your meds.

This is good, denial is the first step to recovery, Later on you will allow a little more truth to sink in, But please stay away from the Kool Aid I know it's tempting

Yes I'm sure that's exactly what they said just prior to Hail Bopp passing over head

No, in fact, we don't have to admit any such thing. His background is perfectly bloody transparent if you're paying any attention whatsoever and/or aren't wrapped from head to toe in tinfoil. But this is the classic “throw as much shit as you can, so that even if nothing sticks, you can use the lingering stench to hurt your opponent.” Bored now.

Does the phrase “burden of proof” mean anything to you? As in, you are making an outlandish claim, therefore it is upon -you- to produce solid evidence backing up your theory, and not that of others to disprove it? PROVE to us that you aren't a twelve foot alien grey lizard. Well?

We are all adults here, and as adults we know there are consequences for are actions, so if you do not agree with his policies, you can a) do nothing, b) support him, c) not support him, d) protest and picket, its your choice, live the dream! As for Orly Taitz, to this point she has not been successful because she does not have any proof, documentation supporting her claims except her wild rants. I would not bet the farm on this one. She has a mail-order-degree get someone with real credentials (Harvard, Yale Law School) not a crazy Russian immigrant with dual US/ Israel citizenship (where are her allegiances?). Have you even thought of who is paying for all these legal filings, her travel and all her wigs? Sorry she has no juice because she does not have any proof, documentation supporting her claims except her wild rants. I heard they are now playing the victim card as well. Please, feel sorry for us the “Birth Certificate” that we built our entire case around and that we have been dancing around turn out to be a big “Fake”. Her material might work on “Fake News” but not in a Court of the United States.

She is a great person. God bless her. I admire her for her ability to do what no one in America media can do, or refuses to do, which is tear back the facade of the political elite overthrow of America by radical socialists who are taking away ALL the rights of the people. God is still in charge and these things must be before the end. Now we need some earthquakes.

Obama's dad wasn't American. He CANNOT be a natural born citizen.

Obama’s COLB is a meaningless interim unofficial document. It’s only been “filed” but never “accepted.” If it hasn’t been accepted, it’s not certified or official according to the State of Hawaii.

Side by side comparison of two officially certified “Accepted” Hawaiian COLB’s with Obama’s unofficial “filed” COLB (from Politifact.com).

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/steveb77…

Zoom of lower left corner to compare “Accepted” vs. “Filed” wording.

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/steveb77…

Obama’s COLB at politifact.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…

Should we trust Obama and his online short-form B/C when he has hidden all his other documentation and long-form B/C, and lied about everything else? Here's a few of his lies.

He said:

He was a moderate and would govern from the center.

No new taxes on anyone making less than $250K.

Cap-N-Trade would on cost the amount of a postage stamp per day.

No more Washington as usual.

No earmarks.

No lobbyists in Cabinet.

He would keep track of the bailout money.

No free health-care for illegals.

No government funding for abortion.

Health-care debate to be broadcast on C-Span.

No programs enacted without having the funding (Pay-Go).

All new bills to be available for public review.

Didn't want to run car company.

Doctors remove kids tonsils just to make more money.

Enact policies to make world safer.

He would not desert Israel.

He would get out of Iraq.

He would close Gitmo.

He would do whatever it took to win in Afghanistan.

He would get Bin Laden.

He said he barely knew William Ayers the domestic terrorist and pentagon bomber.

He said he wouldn’t prosecute the CIA agents re detainee treatment.

He would keep a balanced budget.

No deficit spending.

He would be bi-partisan.

Didn’t really know much about ACORN.

Wouldn't allow government funds to pay for abortions.

Would stop illegal immigration.

No government takeover of health-care.

He would represent ALL Americans.

He also said he was born in Hawaii. Hmmm

Thanks, but I think it’s time to see the LONG-FORM birth certificate, and other records!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

WEASEL SURPRISE! Another “canned” post from Paul, who avidly follows and responds to all “birther” pieces on the internet. Busy guy…..busy, busy guy! You go, Paul!

I would imagine that none of the candidates from any party wanted to really be President…no one used this so called “fact”…did they?
Lets see…
mom was born in Kansas…
he was born in Hawaii…
every court has slapped Orly's crap down via the verification from Hawaii.
He IS our President..get over it.

That's a new one. Stupid, but new.

Oh damn….does this mean I have to list all of Bush's lies now???/
Is there enough room???

It's true and everyone's been keeping it a secret. Shhhhhh!

OMG….one of my grandson's was born in Hawaii….has the same birth certificate.
Is he an American???
See how stupid some of this crap is….
Some just can't let it go…..or accept the fact Obama won.

– the republic itself. But “Dr.” Taitz may be the only “ineligible” player in her little farce.

Although Taitz is a member of the California Bar, she’s not listed as a member of the American Bar Association (check for yourself). Nor is her “law school” (William Howard Taft University) accredited by the ABA. Because Taft is a distance-learning school only, Taitz’s degree entitles her, at most, to practice in California, as her school candidly admits.

Rules of attorney discipline forbid the practice of law without a license – i.e., without sitting for and passing the bar exam, after graduating from an ABA-accredited school. Her correspondence degree is a limited exception, only useful in California. So, any action in which she appeared as counsel of record outside the state would constitute practicing law without a license, in violation of California disciplinary rules. Has “Dr.” Taitz violated this rule? Does her appearance before the Supreme Court, in filing documents for the frivolous, since-dismissed case Lightfoot v. Bowen, therefore subject her to discipline?

It's new because I'm right.

Let's see your proof of anything. You're all hot-air.

Save your time. I know em all. It's not about Bush. It's about the Constitution.

The American Law Review reported on citizenship in the Sep/Oct 1884 issue. Page two of the report states that “natural-born” citizenship is the result of being born to TWO CITIZEN PARENTS!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19071886/Are-Persons-…

James Madison wrote the Constitution and used “natural born citizen” to refer to a person born to a US citizen mother and US citizen father. The class of “native-born” citizen was not established until the 15th amendment, and it did not amend Article II.

Vattel’s Law of Nations also holds “natural born” as requiring two citizen parents.

Because of his British father, and dual citizenship, Obama was not, is not, and never will be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. His birthplace is meaningless when it comes to his eligibility.

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Look in the lower left hand corner.

If it's a real certified official BC, it says “Accepted.”

Obama's says “Filed.” That only means he applied for something.

Are you honest? Take a look and get back with what word is usd.

If there wasn’t anything to this issue, the obamabots wouldn’t be here vociferously smearing those who question. Why aren’t they at the “truther” or “area 51? sites? They KNOW this is a real issue, and they don’t want the truth to get out!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Can site a source (besides Free Republic) that there's a legal difference between “filed” and “accepted”?

ALR article by the exact person who wrote the losing argument in Wong Kim Ark.

Who was later convicted, disbarred, and sent to prison.

Nice source.

I've done my truther duty, and I'm not very interested in aliens. Besides, how would comments on a website keep the truth from getting out? Why wouldn't the complicit powers that be just erase everything you post? We are not concerned with your message getting out. I encourage you to spread it. Just remember not to touch the normals.

James Madison wrote the Constitution and used “natural born citizen” to refer to a person born to a US citizen mother and US citizen father.

No he didn't. He meant to to mean not a naturalized citizen.

The class of “native-born” citizen was not established until the 15th amendment, and it did not amend Article II.

No such class exists in American law distinct from natural born. They are one and the same.

Vattel’s Law of Nations also holds “natural born” as requiring two citizen parents.

Who cares? This has nothing to do with American law.

The American Law Review reported on citizenship in the Sep/Oct 1884 issue. Page two of the report states that “natural-born” citizenship is the result of being born to TWO CITIZEN PARENTS!

A failed argument based entirely on Vattel, and not relevant to American law. Also, absurdly, you neglect to notice that Collins doesn't care much about both parents' citizenship, but rather only the father's citizenship should be considered, he argues. He was wrong, and so are you.

Because of his British father, and dual citizenship, Obama was not, is not, and never will be a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

Wrong. His mother was a citizen, and he is a natural born citizen.

His birthplace is meaningless when it comes to his eligibility.

Well, that's true, but he was still born in Hawaii.

HOPE-for-CHANGE

I hope the doctors change your meds. Up the dosage.

It's new because you're right? No, it's new to me because I haven't seen the “filed” and “accepted” are different, argument. It's a stupid argument, based on nothing but your fantasies, but it's new to me.

I wonder if you thought Orly's last attempt was factual too..you remember..the fake one photoshopped on an Aussie birth certificate.
And you STILL put your faith in Ms. USSR….

“Save your time. I know em all. It's not about Bush. It's about the Constitution”

It is about Bush…or did you forget his own words?

“The Constitution is just a piece of god damn paper” and that's exactly how he treated it.

What is it you think Obama has done exactly to the Constitution?
………………
None the less….Obama is still OUR President…don't like it?…Find a better place to live. You don't deserve to live here.

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

Really…read it this time.

I want to know if he wears tighty whities or boxers!!
Show us your underwear!!

Makes about as much sense….

Why is Orly Taitz in Israel Two Days After Submitting a Forged Obama Birth Certificate to a US Federal Court?
August 3, 2009

Is it because she is fleeing prosecution for knowingly submitting a forged document to a federal court? Is it because she is secretly an Israeli agent working to undermine Barack Obama?
———————————
Just for laughs….that's a real story on the internet too…and the part about the forged document IS true…

It could be..she is from the USSR …hmmmmm!
Is she working for Israel?

You know, if you are going to try to reference a celestial body, the least you could do is actually spell it right. It's Hale-Bopp, not Hail. Oh and do the rest of us a favor and stay off the internet cuz you're not doing it right.

FYI, the latest in ‘As the Birthers Turn’
5:32 pm October 5, 2009, by Jay

Down in Columbus, I’d say that birther attorney Orly Taitz has guaranteed herself a $10,000 fine at the hands of U.S. District Judge Clay Land.

According to the Columbus Ledger Enquirer, Taitz’ most recent filing accuses Land of having met secretly in Columbus with Attorney General Eric Holder to conspire about ways to hide evidence of Obama’s true birthplace. For that and other reasons, she demands that Land recuse himself from the case.

Her evidence for that rather stunning charge?

An affidavit from a fellow birther claiming to have seen someone resembling Holder in a Columbus cafe across the street from the federal courthouse.

Ya gotta love it……

What is it with insane Birthers? I, for one, hope they continue their idiotic Quixotic quest because the more they yell and scream about Obama, the more they are marginalized by mainstream society. Keep plugging away Steve.

I love listening to her yell on the TV. It's almost hypnotic… “Vait, Vait, listen to me, listen to me…”

Cognitive Dissonance is the only way I can figure most of your behavior when it comes to your defending Obama's secrecy. Or maybe its Idol worship, very much like the way you Idolised Al Gore and defended his Global Warming Hoax in the face of fact. Now that we are in the eighth year of a cooling trend they do a little wordsmithing and now call it “Climate Change” But then Obama is your latest Idol.

But of course you would know the correct spelling because you were suppose to be on that flight. But I'm sure you have a reservation for the next trip to Guyana with the rest of your Cultist friend.

You may want to pull out your credit card…
Orally needs some cash to pay fines.

You guys are just SOOOO much fun….
I don't “idol” worship anyone…but I DO support my President.

Obama won….if any of this crap were true, don't you think that idiot Palin would have screamed it from the rafters? She said everything else….

I'm going for born in the U.S.A., but not Obama Sr.'s kid–something embarassing like that. Maybe NOT born in HI, but probably born in America.

Also, I think the Bush FCC didn't really care about consumers, when they made their whitespace decision. I think it was just a “fuck you, media!” from the Bush people.

With digital TV, that whitespace can be used for lots of things…like more TV. The silliest thing was when they got Dolly Parton, et al, to speak out on how terrible opening up the whitespace spectrum would be.

Obama's Administration has delayed the digital changeover, citing 'cost': $400M, for the converter coupons. This after all those stimulus billions? C'mon–Obama spent more on his campaign than that…

Enjoy your Kool Aid

After you….please.

Why not?

81% in AOL poll want to see the long-form.

see the poll here.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/07/24/hot-sea…

HOPE-for-CHANGE

No thanks, Unlike you I can recognise a cult especially one so obvious as the Obama cult. That Kool Ade is reserved for you.

USSR? Obama and you are the commies.

That fake was produced by a lowlife loser lefty like you.

Obama cult….sounds like you've been dipping into too much Glenn Beckerhead and Rush Limpballs stash.

PRESIDENT OBAMA CAUSES A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS IN THE USA

AXJ-INTERNATIONAL
7TH OF AUGUST OF 2009

Apparently Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, II is causing a constitutional crisis in the United States as a case about his true birth place and nationality is being studied by Judge David O. Carter of a small court in Santa Ana, CA. USA, who is deciding whether to admit a case to discovery and trial on the merits in January 2010, regarding the documentation provided by Mr. Obama to Congress to prove his eligibility to occupy the Office of the President of the United States Federal Government.

The problem has become very serious simply because since January of this year Mr. Obama has systematically refused to publish the long form of his supposed birth certificate proving he was in fact born in the State of Hawaii in the United States in 1961.

Many so called “Birthers” believe among other things that Stanley Ann Dunham was not actually Mr. Obama's biological mother, and that she was not physically in Hawaii in August of 1961. In fact to date no Doctor nor witness living in Hawaii in 1961 has come forth to prove that Mr. Obama was in fact born in any hospital in Hawaii and no birth record exists. (Source: AXJ-HAWAII)

To make things worth Mr. Obama has only supposedly published a so called Certificate of Live Birth with apparently is fraudulent, and yet no one has actually seen the real document. We must remind our members that a document published on a website on the internet is not a real document nor can it be used in a court of Law.

The only documents that mention Mr. Obama are divorce documents which supposedly Ms Stanley Ann Dunham presented in 1964 to divorce Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, I, but no marriage certificate has been found, nor was Mr. Obama Sr. ever served such documents, added to the fact that he could not legally marry any woman in the United States since he was already married to another woman in his native Kenya. (Source AXJ-KENYA).

AXJ-USA has published the following supposed photographs which simply do not seem real to many so-called “Birthers”.

The problem is not that Mr. Obama may have possibly been born in Kenya in 1961, the problem is that according to the US Constitution of 1787, ARTICLE II cleary states in paragraph “4. No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President…”

Therefore, if Mr. Obama cannot prove to a Jury, (if the case goes to discovery and trial on the merits), that he was in fact born in the United States and is eligible to occupy the office of President, he must resign and all the laws, orders and agreements he has signed while in office will be null and void.

AXJ-INTERNATIONAL cannot and will not get involved in the decision of the court of competent jurisdiction in the United States of America, but can and will request that the civil and political rights of all citizens and persons resident and visiting the United States be respected.

Wrong, Wrong. It is the plaintiff that has to prove their case. So, far the plaintiff has been unable to do this as by their obvious judge shopping. Just by saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true. Absolutely, no evidence has been provide by the plaintiff to support their claim. The perception of their case is speculation. The essence of their case is ignorance.

What is the qualification question? It would be easy to guess. “Even though the president is a natural born citizen. Do you believe Orly Taitz is a qualified lawyer?”

It is obvious that there are some people who just don't understand how polls work.

Does AOL users statistically reflect the general population of English speaking Internet users?

Does English speaking Internet users, statistically reflect the general population of the Internet?

Doe Internet users, statistically reflect the American Internet users?

Does American Internet users, statistically reflect the American population?

On all questions the answers are 'No'. It is easy to assume that you don't even know what the 'base' is, or even know what the term 'base' means.

Anyone can put a poll on the internet, without knowing the methodology used the numbers are just meaningless.

Captainsteve, I’ll answer that for you, the “Obamabots” as you call them are here because there is nothing more entertaining than watching these “Birthers” make completely ignorant asses of themselves. And speaking of Area 51, I guarantee you that a mother ship from the planet Vulcan will land on the White House Lawn and Mr. Spock himself will emerge before Orly Taitz with her Tammy Fay Baker makeup job and her shrill of a voice ever proves any of this insane nonsense she keeps spouting. This is more fun than watching cartoons. And every one of you who follow this nincompoop are as idiotic as she is. Anyone with half a brain can see that she has no more proof of her “so-called” allegations than she has proof that water isn’t wet. If any such proof actually existed, someone with a “real” competence level (above that of Forrest Gump) would have already proven it. In the meanwhile she has broken probably every ethics law that pertains to “real” lawyers and I am patiently waiting for her disbarment or even imprisonment for her treasonous behavior. Here is a link for you to see some of the charges already filed against her. It contains a link to a PDF file of the actual complaint.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/complain…

Here’s another:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2009…

Enjoy!

I beleive that she managed to convince the Judge at the begining of this nonsense to allow her to represent Rhodes “pro hac vice.”

the “Obamabots” as you call them are here because there is nothing more entertaining than watching these “Birthers” make completely ignorant asses of themselves.

All that’s missing is the popcorn…

The American Law Review reported on citizenship in the Sep/Oct 1884 issue. Page two of the report states that “natural-born” citizenship is the result of being born to TWO CITIZEN PARENTS!

Pop quiz:

Which of the following carries more weight under the American legal system?

(a) A poorly-sourced and thinly reasoned article from 1884.
(b) A subsequent and well-reasoned Supreme Court decision which completely rejects the assertions in the 1884 article and remains good law 111 years after it was issued.

If you pick B, you are correct.
If you pick A, well… you’re a birther.

Actually, the copy of my birth certificate that I got from Marion County, Indiana to replace the original which was lost lists neither the hospital nor the doctor. It’s legal, and I’ve used it for things like driver’s licenses in Colorado. Thanks for playing

It’s only been “filed” but never “accepted.” If it hasn’t been accepted, it’s not certified or official according to the State of Hawaii.

Clever parsing of words, but it doesn’t make any logical sense in context.

If Obama’s birth certificate was merely filed, but somehow not also “accepted,” why would the State of Hawaii issue an official document bearing the very information that it effectively rejected? Wouldn’t Obama have received a form letter stating that his birth information is not eligible to be placed on an official Hawaii document?

Alternatively, if there were a real distinction between “filed” and “accepted,” and if Obama’s COLB is nothing but a forgery, wouldn’t those people forging it have seen to it that at least it would have said “accepted” rather than “filed”?

True, since Obama’s dad wasn’t American, Obama’s dad couldn’t be a natural born U.S. citizen.

But the citizenship of Obama’s father has nothing to do with the natural born citizenship of Obama, who was born on U.S. soil.

A reasonable person could expect that Barack Obama would get rid of this nuisance, Orly Taitz, by showing the records that most people must show to get a job or a driver's license: his full birth certificate and school records to prove his application is true.
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The president is his most dangerous witness against himself. He is obviously hiding something and if that something is in his birth certificate and school records, it would be basically who he is and of what nation he belongs.

There is so much evidence against Barack Obama that Orly Taitz would do well to concentrate on the minimum by focusing on his birth and citizenship. That could include his sss registration which appears to be created illegally because he did not need to register for selective service in 1980 because he was an Indonesian citizen on a student visa to America. It could also include the grant he applied for and took that was available only to foreign students. Then people would not become overwhelmed with all the accusations and evidences of other possible allegiances.

Marie Devine
Kansas City, MO 64128-1527
http://www.divine-way.com

Yep, we’ve got plenty of nuts!

Interesting that you would cite PolitiFact to try to support your paranoid rantings. The conclusion of the article you cited reads a follows:

“There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact's conclusion that the candidate's name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn't authentic.

“And that's true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.”

It's about time some judge got out of his bed and started listening to the facts.If he has a brith ceritifate let him provide it along with the rest of the papers that he has hidden from the american public.Nancy Pelosi knew he had a eligibily problem when she had 2 D.N.C 's signed ,one with the legal language and the other they sent out to be signed by the states to endorse him as a legal candidate,didn't have the legal langage it should have had? It's long over due to have to prove this man is or isn't an American.all you Obamabots cross your fingers!

This article completely misses the difference between 'Natural Born' and 'Native Born'… As Obama's Mother was a US citizen, he would naturally have that citizenship, just as he would have his Father's citizenship.. The fact that his father was not a US citizen brings Obama's loyalty into question, which is why the Founding Fathers wrote the 'Natural Born' clause. Natural Born has been tested in the courts to mean bothe parents were US citizens and the child was born under US protection – either US soil, or while parents were abroad on official duty…

Nuff Said – Obama's Father was Kenyan, so Obama is not 'Natural Born' – McCain ran unopposed, so should be President.

“This article completely misses the difference between 'Natural Born' and 'Native Born'… “

The difference between Born' and 'Native Born' is the same difference between six and half a dozen.

“Natural Born has been tested in the courts to mean bothe parents were US citizens and the child was born under US protection – either US soil, or while parents were abroad on official duty…“

Citation please. . . .

“A reasonable person could expect that Barack Obama would get rid of this nuisance, Orly Taitz, by showing the records . . . . ”

That might be true if Orly Taitz was indeed a reasonable person, but she is not, she has shown time and time again that she will never cease this nonsense, no matter what proof is proffered to her.

No, sorry, mweldon. The requirements for “natural born” have been repeatedly tested in the courts by people hoping they could pursue their personal vendettas and change the definition, and the courts have repeatedly held that the only requirement to be natural born is to be born on U.S. soil.

Nuff said – It doesn't matter what Obama's father's nationality was — or even what nationality his mother was. If he was born on U.S. soil, he's a natural-born citizen.

On another note — I'm amused by self-deluded birthers who, once their “his birth certificate is a fake” argument fails, start grasping at other straws.

“Natural Born has been tested in the courts to mean bothe parents were US citizens and the child was born under US protection – either US soil, or while parents were abroad on official duty…”

This is wrong that I can't een BEGIN to mock it. But why should I be surprised? You're a birfer and making up the law as you go along is the best you can do, especially since you guys don't have any evidence.

And the short bus keeps rolling along…

“There is so much evidence against Barack Obama that Orly Taitz would do well to concentrate on the minimum by focusing on his birth and citizenship.”

Yeah, they don't just have one fake Kenyan birf sertifikat, they have TWO fake Kenyan birf sertifikats! When you combine with the all the testimony that Taitz and the birfers pick up through their tinfoil helmets the evidence becomes overwhelming.

Oh. My. GOD.

An AOL poll?

Since those are accepted as conclusive evidence in every court in the land, I guess the jig is up, huh? At long last, the birfers will have their day in court!

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

“'Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States;”

Well, there you go, SCOTUS says a native-born citizen can become president of the United States. That should let you sleep better tonight MW.

That you'll stop being so entertaining? The Judges HAVE listened to the facts. Did you miss Judge Land calling it all “Alice in Wonderland”? Did you miss the part where he called it “frivolous”? Wait, I forgot, if someone doesn't agree with you they must be corrupt. Oh well, back to your delusions.

You know what? You people better be careful, if you keep up these accusations about our President’s legitimacy, Obama himself will order his brown shirts to round you all up and lock you all in the 600 secret FEMA concentration camps he has set up to deal with you bunch of dissidents. You will be re-educated, assimilated, and have microchips implanted in your brains. Then be released as Obamaborgs and forced to do his bidding. If I were you, I’d be looking over my shoulder every minute. They can track you down by the IP address on the computers you are blogging from. They are probably watching you right now! Oooooo, be afraid, be very afraid!

Obama isn't the president anymore than an actor on tv. He's a fraud. Time will tell. The truth will be known. Sooner is better.

Only an Obummer cult-follower, that knows he's a fraud, would want to keep the long-form hidden.

HOPE-for-CHANGE

captainsteve: “HOPE-for-CHANGE”

Sorry Orly, got no change for you. Go begging for money someplace else.

The webmaster needs to remove this junk spam.

How does one provide a citation to voices picked up through tinfoil?

Off the meds again? You know the doctors told you to stay on them. When you go off them everyone suffers.

Weigel may wiggle about Orly, but the beat goes on. When the DNC finds the real letters of Certification sent by Convention Chair Nancy Pelosi for its candidates, and responds to questions about its vetting process, we will breathe easier. But when Barack and his Chicago buddies step up to the political plate and say why he spends a million big ones to repress his background information from us, the voting public, our country can get back to work addressing the corruption on the Beltway and recapture the phantom billions in waste in our only remaining growth industry, federal, state and local governments.

captainsteve “HOPE-for-CHANGE”. The nonsense that you continue insist on pushing is the thing that we hope changes. So, are you now suggesting the all the previous presidents didn't meet the constitutional requirement for president. Honestly thing before you type.

A cult is an organization that indoctrinates people into a belief that is disjoint from reality. They make things up that the casual observer would instantly recognize as false. When member of cult they make up inconsistent excuses when presented with the facts. They are willing to instantly accept an obvious lie or fabrication just because it helps them re-enforces their views.Also, cults have charisma leaders who need to seek attention but putting forward their lies without never answering simple questions. Yes, the birther movement does resemble a cult. Thankfully for all Americans it is not organized, and doesn't have a coherent idea.

Consistency isn't birthers strong suit now is it? There are only three things, actually four things, that are required to become president of American. Yes, it is possible to go to the library and borrow one of the books written by the current president. It will answer many of your question.

Anyways, please re-read what you wrote. It makes no sense. It may have seen logical when you first wrote it. The letters in question were sent to all the states. You can find an example of one if you look at your favorite birther site. The argument that you are presented is that an example the exact document can't be found.

Did your fellow bithers vet you. Or, are you following the lead of Orly Taitz (just make things up to appeal to the bithers and hope nobody notice that it just doesn't make sense).

What doesn't the alliance of a father has to do with the alliance of a son. Each and every person speaks for themselves. Also, it is a known fact the Obama didn't grow up with his biological father around.

The nationality of a child's parent has no relivance if they are a natural born citizen. We all love to hear the stories of the first born citizen of the New Year in America. There is rarely a mention of both parents nationality, but the child is legally 'a natural born' citizen.

“McCain ran unopposed, so should be President” — What alternative reality are you from. There were 6 presidential candidates. The more things you make up the sillier you make yourself look.

“If he has a birth certificate …” Questions like this is why we call you a birther. Just because birthers refuse to accept the Certificate of Live Birth doesn't mean that they can ask stupid questions. Outside of the lunatic fringe we have seen the birth certificate, so you are either intellectually inept or just being delusional.

Obama isn't the president anymore than an actor on tv.

All evidence to the contrary. I know reality is hard to accept, but it's probably best not to embarrass yourself by loudly proclaiming your delusions to the world.

“A reasonable person could expect that Barack Obama would get rid of this nuisance, Orly Taitz, by showing the records” comments like this is the reason that you are a birther. You attempt to present yourself as a reasonable person, but the root of reasonable is reason. In this context reason refers using logic to look at the facts. You are unable to determine what “a reasonable person” is, since you refuse to use reason when making your comments.

Until Mr. Obama coughs up his long form birth certificate, the circus will continue to be in town. The fact of the matter is that Mr. Obama clearly doesn't want the American people to see his actual birth certificate – you know, the one with the name of the hospital he was born in, physicians, signatures, etc. I don't know, but it seems to me like he is hiding something. So all I can say “Go, Orly Go!”

Go lemmings, Go!

Richard, you apply for a birth certificate from your state, you take what they issue and certify. I recently received mine from Pennsylvania, and it contains even less info than the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama made available to everyone in the world to inspect. You know, the one that was certified by the State of Hawaii? The one every state official from the Registrar of Vital Statistics to the Republican Governor testified is genuine?

Anyhow, I asked Pennsylvania if there was a version available with more information, and I was told that what I got is all I can get; that their records have been stored electronically and that the certified document I received is acceptable for any government purpose.

That tin-foil hat doesn't look good on you. It's time to accept the facts, even if you don't like them. There's a reason every judge Orly goes before throws her out and threatens sanctions. She's a freakin' nutcase… and what does that make her followers?

His “actual” birth certificate for legal purposes is the Certification of Live Birth. For him to release the original birth certificate is to acknowledge wild claims that that the COLB is somehow not dispositive of the matter.

Obama isn't the president anymore than an actor on tv.

Perhaps that's so in your alternate universe.

I'm assuming there's a heavy dose of sarcasm here.

Natural Born has been tested in the courts to mean bothe parents were US citizens and the child was born under US protection – either US soil, or while parents were abroad on official duty…

Please cite one case in the history of American jurisprudence which supports your claim. I'll bet you can't.

Nancy Pelosi knew he had a eligibily problem when she had 2 D.N.C 's signed

Ever since Obama stepped onto the national stage in 2004, Obama's supporters and detractors have all had a chance to determine whether there was an eligibility problem. If there had been any serious concerns, he would never have gotten out of the starting gate.

So all I can say 'Go, Orly Go!
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Yeah Ory, don't stop now…keep going right over that cliff like the idiot birfer you are! Us sane people need more laughter in our lives!

A reasonable person could expect that Barack Obama would get rid of this nuisance, Orly Taitz, by showing the records that most people must show to get a job or a driver's license: his full birth certificate and school records to prove his application is true.

Let's place this reasoning in a parallel context: A reasonable person accused of being a space alien could resolve all doubts by releasing documentation showing he is a carbon-based life form. Only a person who has something to hide would not promptly respond to such concerns.

On top of all the other nonsense, now we are expected to believe that Stanley Ann Dunham isn't even Obama's mother?

This is Überbirtherism in its most colorfully deranged incarnation.

Read about Obama’s secret paid “brown-shirt bloggers.” They don't want the truth to get out, so they hire people to follow Alinsky's rule #5, attack the person!

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring “browns-shirt bloggers” to smear those who question.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Obama’s COLB is a meaningless interim document. It’s only been “filed” but never “accepted.” If it hasn’t been accepted, it’s not certified or official according to the State of Hawaii.

Side by side comparison of two officially certified “Accepted” Hawaiian COLB’s with Obama’s unofficial “filed” COLB (from Politifact.com).

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/steveb77…

Zoom of lower left corner to compare “Accepted” vs. “Filed” wording.

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/steveb77…

If the two terms seem confusing, think of both words in the context of the IRS and income taxes. There is a “Filed” date which means the IRS got your paperwork and will review it. Then, typically in about a year, the “filed” taxes will either be audited or “Accepted.”

In this context, the two terms have hugely different meanings, “Filed” means nothing more than they got your papers; only “Accepted” means it’s official and final.

The case will be blown wide open soon.

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Check this out Patriots!

The Stanley Ann vs. Lolo Soetoro divorce papers (year 1980) indicate that there was only one child. Either Maya or Barry didn’t exist, or she was a big liar! Given her crime ridden background, it’s not a stretch to imagine her lying on Obummer’s birth records!

http://webofdeception.com/soetorodivorce.html

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Check this out saps!
http://www.lickmytaintz.com

No problem, Richard. Who doesn't love the circus? We don't want you to leave! The longer you rant, the more the GOP hemorrhages: Win win!

“It could also include the grant he applied for and took that was available only to foreign students.”

That was debunked immediately as an obvious April Fool's Joke. Proof is easily found online. Get someone to help your feeble mind find it. The rest of your drivel is copy/paste lunacy from Whirled Nut Daily.

The true fools are the delusional birfoons. Friggin' idiots.

Very heavy! But hay, I’m up for playing along in fantasyland. It’s for sure we aren’t dealing with any sort of reality here with any of these people, so what the hell. Might as well goat them on. :)

WARNING: It is OK to argue with the blowers, I guarantee it will be funny. However, I recommend you do NOT click on any of their links. They are just filled with unprovable theories and forged documents. Also, their rates are determined by their traffic, if you want to shut them up, cut off one form of funding. If they had anything really worthwhile it would be on FOX and not as an anonymous poster on a message board. However, some have had problems with viruses trying to be loaded from these sites. If you are going to click, make sure your protection is up-to-date.

Can't you even read the documents you're posting?

The document you link to states:

“The parties have __1__ child(ren) below age 18 and __1__ child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education.”

Barack was born in 1961, making him approximately 19 in 1980. Therefore he was above 18 and presumably still a dependent for purposes of education. Maya was born in 1970, making her approximately 10 in 1980. Therefore she was below 18.

How does this contradict anything?

Well I'm darned angry. I didn't get my check or my shirt!

Actually, it says there was one child under 18, and one over 18. In 1980 Obama was 19 and Maya was 9.

Reading comprehension FAIL.

If the two terms seem confusing, think of both words in the context of the IRS and income taxes.

A registrar is a keeper of records. For a registrar, filed and accepted have the same meaning. You are a filed and accepted dumbass.

By the way, you obviously know nothing about the IRS.

The case will be blown wide open soon.

Only in your mind, afterbirther.

Read about Obama’s secret paid “brown-shirt bloggers.” They deny of course.

They don't want the truth to get out, so they hire people to follow Alinsky's rule #5, attack the person!

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring “browns-shirt bloggers” to smear those who question.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Once you get past all the made up bullshit, you realize this is all based on the fact that (gasp!) some government agencies are updating their websites! Obviously this means they're all Nazis.

What a bunch of morons.

You didn't? You should call the Commissar at the Ministry of Misinformation. I got three shirts (made in Vietnam) and my check a few weeks ago. Bought a new Lexus with the check, because I'm always happy to support a foreign economy. After the Lexus there was only a few thousand left, so I paid a health insurance premium.

explain why every COLB in the blogosphere has Accepted. . .except obummer's “Filed.”

they aren't the same.

Sorry,FAIL. That's a COLB touted as legitimate by a stupid birther site. Guess what it says? Filed!

Dumbass birther FAIL.

http://obamacrimes.com/Michele-front.jpg

The distinction you draw between “filed” and “accepted” suggests that birth certificates are subject to some sort of application and approval process, like applying for college or a professional license. That's nonsense. No one “applies” to have their birth certificate accepted. It gets filed with the state, and by virtue of its filing, it is accepted.

Assuming that a birth certificate could actually be filed but not accepted, why would the State of Hawaii issue an official document bearing information which it has failed to accept? It seems reasonable to assume that, upon request for a COLB in such a case, the state would issue a form letter saying, in effect, thank you for your request for a COLB, but since your birth information was never accepted by the state, we cannot issue it on an official state document. That's obviously not what happened here.

Made me snort coffee!!!!!!!!!LOL!

Robert, you've actually cut thru 90% of the dreck with that statement. I haven't disclosed before now 'cause I don't need to prove squat to Birfers any more than Obama does: I was trained by the State Dept to authenticate birth certificates for the Passport Agency. Did it for several years and I can state categorically that the rationales for Birfer skepticism are unadulterated gibberish. I cannot muster the impetus to rebut them point for point any more than I'd care to debate my dog on existentialism but I just wanted to chime in at this juncture that your remark is the crux of the biscuit

Good news patriots!

Judge Carter has denied Obama's petition to toss the case. He is going to allow the case to proceed! woohoo.

Read it and weep, Cultists!

File and accepted aren't the same for taxes.

They aren't the same for B/Cs either.

If you think they are the same, prove it! You can't you're wrong (again).

You seem to be confusing Obama for Reagan, the professional actor

wrong.. .B/C fraud is a huge issue. Thy must be filed. . .reviewed. . .and then accepted by the Registrar.

Prove I'm wrong. You can't.

Judge Carter Denies Motion to Dismiss, in Barnett vs. Obama!
October 7, 2009 by John Charlton

COURT ORDER FINALIZES SCHEDULE FOR TRIAL!
by John Charlton

(Oct. 7, 2009) — Today was published the Court order resulting from the Oct. 5th hearing in Barnett vs. Obama, issued by federal judge, David O. Carter, in the Southern Division of California.

The order, reads as follows:

On September 8, 2009, the Court previously set tentative case management dates. The Court now orders those dates be made final.

Case Management dates are as follows:

Motion for Summary Judgment Hearing — December 7, 2009, at 8:30 a.m.
File Motion for Summary Judgment — November 16, 2009
Opposition to Motion for Summary Judgment — November 26, 2009
Reply to Motion for Summary Judgment — November 30, 2009
Final Pretrial Conference — January 11, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.
Jury Trial — January 26, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.

The implication of the Court’s order finalizing the dates is obvious: you do not finalize dates unless there will be a trial. And there would not be a trial, unless the Motion to Dismiss requested by the Defense was in whole or in part DENIED!

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/

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Where is the denial of the motion to dismiss?

So far as I can tell, it's just Orly calling some bloggers and telling them that. I'll wait for the official word. In the meantime, let them get excited…makes the fall that much more enjoyable.

Uh oh. Looks like Michelle Bachmann bailed out on you loons prematurely! She told the media that the Birfer movement was THEIR (media's) invention and she disowned you. When the Queen of Loons denies you—-then what? Now that Judge Carter has COMPREHENSIVELY VINDICATED

There was no denial of the motion, just procedural stuff that Orly and the blowers think will get them somewhere.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/du…

Actually, that's not what I heard. The judge has set dates for the hearing on motions for summary judgment and trial, which is standard procedure, but has not yet ruled on the motion to dismiss.

Aww, nothing to say once I (very easily) proved your claim was bullshit? Birther FAIL.

Hey, but they still have Tom Delay, sort of. He can root for them from prison.

Prove I'm wrong. You can't.

Hawaii Revised Statutes § 338-5. Compulsory registration of births.

Within the time prescribed by the department of health, a certificate of every birth shall be substantially completed and filed with the local agent of the department in the district in which the birth occurred, by the administrator or designated representative of the birthing facility, or physician, or midwife, or other legally authorized person in attendance at the birth; or if not so attended, by one of the parents.

First off, note that this statute explicity provides for the “compulsory registration of births.” How is this accomplished? By substantially completing and filing the certificate. There is not a single word in the statute about some separate process of “acceptance.” Therefore, it is implicit in this statute that the filing of the certificate, as the last step in the process, effectively serves as the registration of the birth.

So, you're wrong, plain and simple.

Judge Carter Denies Motion to Dismiss, in Barnett vs. Obama!

Except he hasn't. FAIL

The judge did that, or his clerks did that as part of a standard operating procedure?

The clerk did. The judge didn't sign the order, but rather the initials “kh” are in the signature line. The court clerk's name is Kristee Hopkins.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/20761725/Barnett-v-Ob…

Uh oh. Captainstevie debunked yet again—time to flee this thread. Run captain, run!

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Is it dimissed? NO! You fail.

His attorney (West) didn't respond by saying “NUTS” for no reason! hahaha

The fraud is gonna be laid bare.

It looks like the information came from PACER, which is the electronic filing system that all federal district courts use. That information is most likely entered into the system by court clerks.

There's nothing much to get excited about – trial dates are often set up early in the process, but I understand that Orly Taitz and her groupies are desperate enough for good news that they'll try to manufacture it out of something completely routine.

Judge Carter finalized the schedule, Why? Cuz he's going to dismiss? haha

Freakin' lib lefty loons can't think straight.

Is it dimissed?

Not yet. You claim he denied the motion. He didn't. You are a moron. FAIL

the fraud is gonna be laid bare.

Nope, but your delusions are laid bare for all of us to see.

Judge Carter finalized the schedule, Why? Cuz he's going to dismiss?

Standard procedure. Means nothing if he dismisses, as he explicitly told Taintz.

Captainsteve doesn't get it. He still hasn't explained why birth information that wasn't “accepted” by the state would then be placed on an officially-issued state document.

In addition, he misses the focus of the birth certificate fraud issue. Yes, birth certificate fraud is a big issue, but a report issued by the Department of Health and Human Services notes that birth certificates filed (and thus registered) at the time birth are the least likely to involve fraud. Therefore, it wouldn't make sense for a state to set up some review board to examine and scrutinize every birth certificate filed in connection with a recent birth.

See the report at http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf

and none of these people thinks this is in the least bit race based. therefore they are not racist and how dare you accuse them of it.

When you are not born in a hospital but delivered by a witch doctor in Kenya and at a later date get to Hawaii an apply for a type 3 certificate of live birth they file the paper work. It may or may not later be accepted. If a file clerk pulls the old paper COLB and makes a computer file out of the information, she may or may not note the status of that form. There could have been pressure on that person that caused judgment to be put to the side of reason.
A Constitutional Lawyer would know this and therefore not want the original document to be released. Therefore he would spend what ever it took to prevent this damaging document from being released to anyone for review. POTUS is nice job who would want to lose it. Even if nobody believes a word you say. Thank you Judge Carter. Take a look at this old paper file and let us know what you think.

the birthers do not have a point and have never had a point. for the posters here to lend credence to this nonsense shows them to be as ignorant as the buffoons that concocted this race based farce.

these people are like area 51 people. nut cases. no amount of proof will ever satisfy them.

and they LIE.

it is all based upon a LIE.

if you support the lie all of your positions on all issues are therefore invalid for all your opinions are based upon falsehoods.

Why do you think I’m a loser?…I believe in America?
YOUR hero was born in the USSR you jackass…she needs donations…

Let's assume for the sake of argument that Obama's long form birth certificate merely contained a declaration that he was born on the island of Oahu, but contained no hospital records (i.e. that it is a “Type 3″ certificate).

This doesn't make any legal difference. Under HRS § 338-5, a birth certificate filled out by the parents, if the birth was unattended, is deemed registered when it is substantially completed and filed with the proper authorities. There is nothing illegitimate about such a certificate. Because it supports wholly a valid registration, there would be no logical reason to apply “pressure” on a person completing a COLB based on the information from the original certificate.

By the way, a constitutional lawyer would likely know very little about this process, although a family lawyer would probably have a fair amount of expertise on this area.

Don't thank Judge Carter yet. He has yet to rule on the motion to dismiss.

Back in the 1400s people believed the Earth was flat. They just could not comprehend occurrences beyond their known universe. Senator Obama, has family connections to Kenya, through his father. It is not inconceivable for SAD and BHO Sr, to have traveled to Kenya, in July or August of 1961, when SAD was 6-7 months pregnant for any number of reasons (family, business, political, vacation), and stay for 1-2 months, and then upon trying to depart face a travel restriction due to the advanced pregnancy. Of course this is speculation, but the certified (blue ink stamp with signature) copy of the “footprint” BC submitted into evidence by Lucas Smith, lends credence to the theory, and begs to be authenticated through examination of the original. That is unless you still believe the Earth is flat.

That is unless you still believe the Earth is flat.

Like birthers do.

The dates are still on the court calendar, but Judge Carter, is flipping a coin.

No decision, yet. Too soon. Maybe Friday Noon-PST.

If the case is dismissed, listen for the MSM to yawn, and the Obots to cheer, as the defense, praises Alla err God.

If the case is not dismissed, expect MSM to clamber to kiss Orly's ass for interviews, Obots to convert, and the defense to appeal — after they change their shorts.

Another example of a confused birther. The issue of the presidents birth certificate was started by the birther movement, because they couldn’t find anything to stop his popularity. It is you Captainsteve and other birthers who are feebly attempting to smear the democratically elected president of the US.

Yes, he did meet the constituation requirements. If you read the bottom of the birth certificate you will see the words “This copy serves as prima facle evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding”. Which means that it is a legal document, and specifically a factual birth certificate.

So, it is the birthers that are practicing a smear campaign. You, can even defend yourself on that issue.

You're right . . .but the dates were tentative. Carter had them finalized. If he hasn't decided to hear it, why make the change in the minutes? He can toss it anytime, but it looks pretty good now. We'll see more soon!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

If true, why are you here?

If there wasn't anything to this issue, you wouldn't be here vociferously smearing those who want full disclosure. Why aren't you at the “area 51″ sites? You KNOW this is a real issue, and you don't want the truth to get out!

You're just a lying cult-of-obama thug.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Anteni, The Rotten Rodham started this eligibility issue way back in the early DemComm primaries. But someone had a Ace up their sleeve on the Slick Willie family and she folded and settled for S of S. Do your homework! The truth is out there.

The thugs are out tonight!

Read about Obama’s secret paid “brown-shirt bloggers.” They don't want the truth to get out, so they hire people to follow Alinsky's rule #5, attack the person!

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring “browns-shirt bloggers” to smear those who question.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Doesn’t matter just the fact his daddy was never an American Citizen makes the Natural Born American Citizen issue out of his reach.

The case will either be dismissed on the motion to dismiss or on summary judgment. There won't be a trial. And that's a shame, because it would definitely be Taitz's Waterloo if she isn't disbarred by then.

Yeah, it's not inconceivable for them to have been taken away in a spaceship to Alpha Centauri either. The deal is, pal, anything's “conceivable.” Provable is a whole different matter.

Interesting… the Lucas Smith document looks nothing like an actual Kenyan birth certificate of the era — in fact, it make geographical references that weren't even in place until several years after it was allegedly issued. On the other hand, it looks exactly like an Australian birth certificate of the era, complete with identical names of the signing officials and a registration number that would have been appropriate for a 1961 Australian birth certificate. To top it off, the “seal” is not an official seal, but a rubbing of a Kenyan coin.

What did you say lends credence?

Well, I guess anyone who disagrees with your views is simply paid to do so, because OBVIOUSLY any reasonable person would believe that Stanley Ann Dunham, a poor college student, would travel to far-off Kenya while pregnant to be introduced to her new husband's other wife and family. And let's not forget Sarah Obama and all those other villagers who were specially carted off across Kenya to Mombasa to be “present” when little Barack was born. And of course, Ms. Dunham, being the constitutional scholar she was, decided she needed to hurry back to Hawaii in order to have birth announcements placed in the local newspapers, just in case anyone ever wondered whether Obama was a natural born citizen for purposes of serving as President of the United States.

And, yes, we get paid very well to waste our time on blogs like this, arguing with people who believe that you have to apply to the state in the hopes that it may decide to register your birth.

The best treatment for Orly Taitz would to give a frontal lobotomy operation so she becomes brain dead and nobody has listen to the Birther Queen Nutcase anymore.

Stop complaining about us hired Brown Shirt Bloggers. I'll have you know I look pretty good in my brown shirt, and if I wasn't getting my paychecks from the Obamabot Ministry of Misinformation, I certainly couldn't afford my 120' Hatteras or my summer home in Tuscany (not to mention the 2-story flat in Cannes).

Then why are you here? Just like arguing with crazies? That would make you a crazy.

If there wasn't anything to this issue, the obamabots wouldn't be here vociferously smearing those who question. Why aren't they at the “truther” or “area 51″ sites? They KNOW this is a real issue, and they don't want the truth to get out!

Don't trust the paid cultists!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

She's a doctor and a lawyer. What have you ever done, low-life? Oh ya, nothing!

If there wasn't anything to this issue, the obamabots wouldn't be here vociferously smearing those who question. Why aren't they at the “truther” or “area 51″ sites? They KNOW this is a real issue, and they don't want the truth to get out!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

I'm sure bending over for Obummer pays great. Quid pro quo. He'll try to get the Olympics in the town of your choice.

Regardless of any opinion, let's lay out the evidence and get this over with. Taitz's birth certificate has a footprint on it – if it matches Obama's, further investigation should be needed. Fact is, a ton of money has been spent on this issue and it should be concerning to the American people that the president has allowed this money to be spent – especially when, if he is who he says he is, he could easily shut everyone up by showing school records, the long form etc.. Stop playing the race card, the political party card, or the excuse that Taitz is a wack-job so we shouldn't ask questions. Wack-job or not, Americans should be allowed to access to the truth, it's OUR country!

She's a dentist with a mail-order, diploma-mill law degree that's not valid anywhere outside the State of California.

But I'll tell ya what, “captain” steve, ol' buddy. Why dontcha apply to your state for a certified copy of your birth certificate. Then when they send you the computer-printed form that just about every state issues these days, tell 'em that's not good enough — you want the “long form” birth certificate.

I'd be interested to hear how you made out.

You're being much to reasonable. Anybody that wants know the truth must be a racist!

One can tell much about Obama by looking at the mean-spiritedness of his cultic followers. Good people hold their own to account; they don’t enable bad behavior!

Considering his association with Rev (God Damn America!) Wright, Resko, ACORN, Pfleger, Khalidi, Meeks, Lowery, Alinsky, MoveOn, Soros, Ayers, Davis, Gates, Tax Cheats, Black Liberation, Black Panthers, Communist Party, Marxists, Van Jones, Mark Lloyd, Radical Czars, Union Thugs, SEIU, Apollo Alliance, anti Constitutionalists, anti Capitalists, and angry bitter Michelle Obama, the conclusion is obvious, Obama is evil.

The British/Kenyan/Indonesia/Hawaiian-African-American/possibly Canadian Community Organizer messiah usurper should STOP HIDING and SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Obama and Hawaii said the long-form exists, moron. Let's see it.

As far as mine, I didn't run for public office, but you can put away he quotation marks. With 20,000 hours in the air, I don't need em. Yo can save the “ol buddy” part though. I don't need any cult-followers for buddies.

Chris, you would think that the certificate the state issued him, duly certified by the state's registrar of records, testified as genuine by every State of Hawai'i official right up to the Republican governor, and collaborated by no fewer than two birth announcements printed in Honolulu newspapers from information supplied by the state records office, would be enough to shut the wack-jobs up. If all that's not enough, it's ridiculous to believe that some “long form” piece of paper will convince them.

Hell, the hand of God could appear and inscribe the words “Obama was born in Hawaii” on the side of Mauna Loa and it wouldn't be enough for wack-jobs like Orly Taitz (or you).

Obama and Hawaii also said the copy he already provided is legal and valid for all government purposes, moron. Since you're so willing to quote Obama and Hawaii, quote that and STFU.

Sorry, “captain”… the time you've spent stoned doesn't count as flight time, no matter how high you might have been.

Biggest fraud ever!

Read why Obama’s online COLB isn’t valid!

It’s a meaningless temp document. It’s only been “filed” but never “accepted.” If it hasn’t been accepted, it’s not certified or official according to the State of Hawaii.

Notice the lower left hand corner for wording “filed” or “accepted.” Side by side comparison of two officially certified “Accepted” Hawaiian COLB’s with Obama’s unofficial “filed.”

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/steveb77…

Zoom of lower left corner to compare “Accepted” vs. “Filed” wording.

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/steveb77…

If the two terms seem confusing, think of both words in the context of the IRS and income taxes. There is a “Filed” date which means the IRS got your paperwork and will review it. Then, typically in about a year, the “filed” taxes will either be audited or “Accepted.”

In this context, the two terms have hugely different meanings, “Filed” means nothing more than they got your papers; only “Accepted” means it’s official and final.

For those who doubt, and want to see the statutes, look here: Both 11-1-4(d) and 11-1-28 at http://hawaii.gov/health/about/rules/prac_proc.pdf specifically state that the date of filing is the date that a document is RECEIVED at the DOH office. Obama’s information was received (filed) on August 8, 1961. It NEVER got “accepted.” His COLB is still being “maintained” awaiting acceptance by the state registrar.

The case will be blown wide open soon.

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Nice job steve, picked right up on naturalizedcitizens' argument. Not that it's not as worthless here as it is there…but my complements for YELLING louder. Twisting words and phrases to your needs is fine in the works of fiction, like with Orly's filings…pretty worthless in a court of law. Look, why don't you try this. Call your congressperson and have them start impeachment procedings. Then, you can stand up and rant and scream, in caps of course, to you heart's content. Wait, don't bother…keep up with it until you tire. I mean it is all you've got.

Ya, you would think… but fact is there seems to be TWO birth certificates floating around. And they might BOTH be real. And if they're BOTH real, then we need to ask, how could that happen? Maybe it was some SNAFU that Obama took advantage of all throughout his school and professional career. C'mon, you think people don't try to play the system? The pres doesn't seem that different from you and me… but no one wants to believe that the dude they elected is just an average dishonest Joe like the rest of us.

Yup, there are two birth certificates floating around — the one Obama made pubic, and the one that was doctored by Phil Berg's anonymous “forensic document analyst” in an effort to discredit the original. Wanna see about a dozen hi-res photographs of the real one? Click here:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

In this context, the two terms have hugely different meanings

Actually, they are the same in this context. We covered this all earlier in the thread. Making the same argument that's been destroyed on the very same page makes you look like a complete idiot, which you are, of course. Several of your Hawaiian comparison COLBS on crazy ass birther websites say “Filed.” Double FAIL.

Just like arguing with crazies? That would make you a crazy.

Why? You crazies are just so entertaining.

Patriots,

Have you noticed the recent increase in activity and aggressiveness by obama’s cult-followers? They even have the lowly Chris Matthews spewing about “Natural Born Citizenship” on PMSnbc, saying it doesn’t matter (which of course it does).

To a student of military strategy, the answer is obvious. They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Baghdad Bob”s of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

No use in arguing validity with me… everyone thinks the other guy is the one with the fake certificate. Further, any opinion can be persuaded with the right dollar amount. Really, there's a trust issue going on. And when there's a trust issue you can talk reason all you want and still not be believed. Even if the Taitz certificate with the footprint is fake, it doesn't mean that there wasn't a screw up that Obama exploited. All of his records need to be checked to answer that question – and as an American who voted for him, I should have the right to know! There is a lot of government dis-trust in this country and this situation does not help that position.

Let's see, now the inevitable failure, followed by the same useless ranting. Sounds like you've about hit them all there cap'n. Now, according to military strategy, are we suppose to let you keep ranting, or pat you on the head and tell you what a good boy you are?

Pilots don't take drugs.

Prove your Hawaii said point, or STFU, @sswipe.

6 minutes! Thx for proving my point! Go change you diapers now.

Back to your bridge, concern troll birther.

You got that right! Whew! That crap you're spreading really does ruin a nice beatdown. You know, I think Glenn Beck is looking for a new conspiracy theory. Maybe you could call him up, I'm sure he's in your speed dial, and get on a couple of his shows and lay this all out for him. I know he'd buy it. Then you could entertain an extra group of Obama-hating birthers. They all listen to him.

You prove my point. 10 minutes and you were on it! Go get your doggy bone and a pat on the belly!

Patriots,

Have you noticed the recent increase in activity and aggressiveness by obama’s cult-followers? They even have the lowly Chris Matthews spewing about “Natural Born Citizenship” on PMSnbc, saying it doesn’t matter (which of course it does).

To a student of military strategy, the answer is obvious. They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Not true. Prove it, loser.

31 minutes? What took you so long? No doggie treat for you.

Patriots,

Have you noticed the recent increase in activity and aggressiveness by obama’s cult-followers? They even have the lowly Chris Matthews spewing about “Natural Born Citizenship” on PMSnbc, saying it doesn’t matter (which of course it does).

To a student of military strategy, the answer is obvious. They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

barry5678 – Funny how it takes a TEAM of paid DOJ bloggers to support lying Obama. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

captainsteve—Project much? Life for you must really suck having to spend so much of your time pursuing Fuchs Noose, Orly Taitz, and rightwing fringe conspiracy theories.

Did Beck really lead a life of crime before becoming a big Fuchs Noose entertainer?

What happened with Limbaugh in the Dominican Republic?

Why is Savage restricted from entering the U.K?

Did Bill O'Reilly really suggest using a falafel on the woman he harassed?

Did Sen. Ensign really commit adultery and try to pay her family off?

Did Sen. Vitter really wear a diaper?

Did Mark Foley really send that inappropriate email to that male congressional page?

Is Tom Delay really guilty of corruption?

What was Craig up to in that airport bathroom?

Did Newt Gingrich really ditch his wife while she was in the hospital undergoing treatment for cancer?

Did Bush really find WMDs in Iraq?

Did McCain divorce his first wife while she was recovering from a tragic accident?

I could go on and on. Gee, conspiracies are fun!

Keep at it. I love laughing at you.

Thx again for proving my point. 5 minutes? Good boy. You get a doggy treat and rub on the belly!

Patriots,

Have you noticed the recent increase in activity and aggressiveness by obama’s cult-followers? They even have the lowly Chris Matthews spewing about “Natural Born Citizenship” on PMSnbc, saying it doesn’t matter (which of course it does).

To a student of military strategy, the answer is obvious. They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Jim – Looks like you’ll be doing some real “blowing” in prison, boy! http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Taitz is obviously on the right track – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

oldmagicman666 – You are 100% correct – and now they’re caught.

You got that right! Whew! That crap you're spreading really does ruin a nice beatdown. You know, I think Glenn Beck is looking for a new conspiracy theory. Maybe you could call him up, I'm sure he's in your speed dial, and get on a couple of his shows and lay this all out for him. I know he'd buy it. Then you could entertain an extra group of Obama-hating birthers. They all listen to him.

Oh look, I can copy and paste too! You're coming along so nice, since you can't give me a doggy treat…enjoy it yourself! Make sure mommy takes you outside before bed, you know how those biscuits affect you.

Those aren't my issues. Obama is a fraud. That's my issue, but thanx for proving my point!

If there wasn't anything to this issue, the obamabots wouldn't be here vociferously smearing those who question. Why aren't they at the “truther” or “area 51″ sites? They KNOW this is a real issue, and they don't want the truth to get out!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

RobertX – That is an outright lie.

Unlike you with your list off of Moveon.org, I have my own list.

Should we trust Obama and his online short-form B/C when he has hidden all his other documentation and long-form B/C, and lied about everything else? Here's a few of his lies.

He said:

He was a moderate and would govern from the center.

No new taxes on anyone making less than $250K.

Cap-N-Trade would on cost the amount of a postage stamp per day.

No more Washington as usual.

No earmarks.

No lobbyists in Cabinet.

He would keep track of the bailout money.

No free health-care for illegals.

No government funding for abortion.

Health-care debate to be broadcast on C-Span.

No programs enacted without having the funding (Pay-Go).

All new bills to be available for public review.

Didn't want to run car company.

Doctors remove kids tonsils just to make more money.

Enact policies to make world safer.

He would not desert Israel.

He would get out of Iraq.

He would close Gitmo.

He would do whatever it took to win in Afghanistan.

He would get Bin Laden.

He said he barely knew William Ayers the domestic terrorist and pentagon bomber.

He said he wouldn’t prosecute the CIA agents re detainee treatment.

He would keep a balanced budget.

No deficit spending.

He would be bi-partisan.

Didn’t really know much about ACORN.

Wouldn't allow government funds to pay for abortions.

Would stop illegal immigration.

No government takeover of health-care.

He would represent ALL Americans.

He also said he was born in Hawaii. Hmmm

Thanks, but I think it’s time to see the LONG-FORM birth certificate, and other records!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

4 minutes! The brown-shirts are out in force!

Read about Obama’s secret paid “brown-shirt bloggers.” They don't want the truth to get out, so they hire people to follow Alinsky's rule #5, attack the person!

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring “browns-shirt bloggers” to smear those who question.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Sure, “captain.” Put down your bong and your joystick and click here: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

You can read the comments from most of the state officials.

Darn, I was going for 2. Oh well, can't keep mocking steve on a clock. Let's see, what are you up to now? Oh yeah, the all caps demands. Cap'n, let me give you the short answer to your final statement. no. Not even capitalized, you aren't worth it.

I already did. Down this very thread. You pretend not to see it.

Let's see, your list includes things that you expected to be fixed in 9 months? What delusional world do you live in. In took Bush 8 years to screw it up, it's going to take at least half that long to get the engine USA going again. See folks, this is their true agenda…failure. That's all they live for is failure. He may not do everything on your list, but at least give him time to try and quit being so ridiculous.

Finally a halfway decent report. This belongs on the evening news & Obama belongs in prison.

First of all, the DOH administrative rules you cite deal with filing requirements. But that doesn't answer the question of whether filing of a birth certificate effectuates “registration” of a birth, or something more – like “acceptance” – is required.

As it turns out, I have a statute that addresses that question head-on, and which you avoided addressing the last time I presented it to your increasingly tired argument. So I will present it yet again:

Hawaii Revised Statutes § 338-5. Compulsory registration of births.

Within the time prescribed by the department of health, a certificate of every birth shall be substantially completed and filed with the local agent of the department in the district in which the birth occurred, by the administrator or designated representative of the birthing facility, or physician, or midwife, or other legally authorized person in attendance at the birth; or if not so attended, by one of the parents.

First off, note that this statute explicity provides for the “compulsory registration of births.” How is this accomplished? By substantially completing and filing the certificate. There is not a single word in the statute about some separate process of “acceptance.” Therefore, it is implicit in this statute that the filing of the certificate, as the last step in the process, effectively serves as the registration of the birth.

Please explain how, given this statute, some additional “acceptance” is required beyond filing.

Factcheck has been caught in too many errors. They can't be trusted. I'm sure you believe everything you read on the internet, but I don't.

Did you go to public school? You;re an idiot. Almost none of the items in the list have anything to do with time. Geez.

Go get your doggy treat from your master.

Why? Did you already eat all your treats and need more? Notice you were gone for a while, nice of your mommy to let you out for a while. Must get lonely in that basement.

Damn…he posted the same thing yesterday!
Don't you have anything better to do there Captian Kangaroo?
I think your boat is sinking…stay onboard please.

This is no issue..only in your mind that's why it's so f'ing fun watching you rant.
I just popped in to see if you had ANYTHING new..
no..
same shit..
different day,
month
and year.

Jim we can't impeach him, Joe and Nancy would fill the spots. We have to have the election ruled null and void. Then we will have 3 months to elect a real Natural Born American Citizen and I bet he will be to the right of Attila the Hun! America has had it's fill of Communist plants and they want the '50s back. Can you remember the '50s? They were great for the average American Citizens. No hand outs, just a chance to be the best you can be or lay down and die. Your choice!

Captain, I don't think you will be inviting Barry and Michael over for BBQ and a few Buds. Me neither! But who are these corrupt uneducated imbeciles that worship him on these blogs? Can they all be paid Obots. Even at minimum wage this has to cost the American Communist Party hundreds of thousand dollars. What will they do when he is arrested and charged with treason? Who will go down with him? How many will fall? It will be quite a show.

The birth announcements were on microfiche, easily faked and the Nordyke twins announcement is now missing. A-B-C—M-N-”O”-P!
Mason
Nordyke
Obama
Redact Nordyke and Obama fits in that spot.
Damn the CIA & FBI could fake the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Hawaii's released records on Obama Friday was from a Marriage License and they stated that was all the information they had on file. Little baby Obama was alive and well when Barrack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham were married. They listed him as their child on the marriage application. This is all the information Hawaii has on )o( II. They used the Marriage License to create the COLB. That is the information they say they have on file. There is no Long Form Birth Certificate and never was! Therefore there is no prof he is Natural Born. It is all one big LIE!

Hey, Captiansteve you and your fellow birthers have been at this nonsense for over several months. Gleefully accepting amateurish forgeries, and still have been to demonstrate that you are nothing but ignorant. 31 minuses are nothing compared to that.

Steve, all your comments have contained half truths and contradictions. You were once complaining about birthers victim of smears. Now, you engage in smears against Factcheck.org.

Then your write “I'm sure you believe everything you read on the internet, but I don't”. Actually, you do this is why you insist on spread the absolutely disjoint birther arguments. Please, stop contradicting yourself.

barry? Barry that you? Does Ms Taitz scare you? Strong pretty women are scary if you don't know you are man enough to handle them. Just relax, it will all be over soon. Peace, quite and solitude are awaiting.

Half the stuff on the internet is lies and BS, it's posted by all the paid Obots.

Chris you are a moron and apparently a sore loser. You should have worked harder to help your candidate to win the election.

It is illogical and disjoint from reality to assume that their is no cost associated to legal procedures. Please honestly think about what you are going to write.

“Good people hold their own to account; they don’t enable bad behavior! ” What are you talking about? So are you going to finally admit the real reason behind the birther movement. I get it you are not a “good” person.

You and fellow birthers consistently smear honest people.

You and fellow birthers refuse to look at the facts.

You and fellow birthers accept obvious forgeries.

You and fellow birthers believe that you stand above democracy.

You and fellow bithers believe that by spreading lies that you can change the rules of the constitutionalists.

Actually, captiansteve it can be assumed that you are an anti-constitutionalists.

So, what are you talking about.

What are you talking about. You will be back and spreading your lies. Yes, we notice the “recent increase in activity and aggressiveness by” the birther movement. Yes, Steve you and your fellow birthers can keep up the nonsense. Then all of you will have the same mental breakdown that Ms. Taitz had on national TV.

Captiansteve this is starting to seem like you job, it seems that we have found out what Orly Taitz has been doing with all that money that she has been getting. It most be a great job typing misinformation when all you have to do is go to

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polari…

and you can see that actual certificate.

Orly Taitz farce will only end in the courts. We hope that she doesn't get disbarred.

9 months and birthers have not been able to prove anything. The only things birthers have been able to do is distort the truth until someone challenges them on it. No even Alice in Wonderland can support your position.

Halfway decent report. Please explain to us why Orly Taitz wants the have Judge Land to remove himself from a case that has already been dismissed. That case is over and done with. There is no appeal. The case has been dismissed. Instead of explaining to the judge why he shouldn't sanction her, she files to be remove as the legal counselor for her only client. She has no client, thus no case, and continues to make legal filings. Then she request the judge Land to remove himself, because of a possible conflict of interest. However, she provides nothing to support her position. It really doesn't matter since the case has been dismissed.

By you supporting the disillusioned Taitz, you have demonstrated that you are just as disillusioned as her.

If he removes himself the sanctions will be dropped, if he still tries to sanction her, she can demand he let her have discovery on the records she would need to prove the dismissed case had merit. You give Orly a bad time but she plays courtroom chess with balls. All we really need is discovery. Once the hidden records are released it is all over for the Communist usurper.

DOJ and Holder are CAUGHT! – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

So you DOJ paid bloggers believe what you are doing is legal because ERIC HOLDER said so? THINK AGAIN, INDICTMENTS WILL BE COMING YOUR WAY! – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

YOU BIRTHER PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY CRAZY!

YOU ARE FRUITCAKES.

YOU ARE DEAD PARROTS.

YOU DON'T HAVE A VALID POINT AND YOU NEVER HAVE!

OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII. THERE IS A WITNESS!

YOU ARE ALL NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF CRAZY RACIST BIGOTS THAT CAN'T STAND THE FACT THAT A BLACK MAN IS PRESIDENT!

YOU ARE THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR AND BENEATH CONTEMPT!

Anteni – You paid “secret” DOJ bloggers have been “outed” by one of your own! I hope you pieces of scum like orange and silver, you'll be wearing plenty of it!

I hope you DOJ bloggers enjoy your prison time, you have been fully exposed! “Secret” NO MORE!

THE HOSPITAL AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WON'T GIVE ME MY LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

THEY GAVE ME A CERTIFIED PIECE OF PAPER FROM ELKHART COUNTY INDIANA THAT HAS LESS INFORMATION ON IT THAN OBAMA'S!

I MUST HAVE BEEN BORN IN KENYA AND MY PARENTS PUT IN A FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH THE COUNTY AND PLACED ADS THAT SAID I WAS BORN IN ELKHART AT THE ELKHART GENERAL HOSPITAL EVEN THOUGH I WAS BORN IN KENYA!

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DID IT BUT THEY MUST HAVE DONE IT!

HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GET FROM AFRICA TO ELKHART, INDIANA IN 1958? OR HAWAII IN THE EARLY 60'S?

WITH THE STATE OF AIRCRAFT AT THE TIME AND THE DISTANCE IT MUST HAVE TAKEN QUITE A WHILE!

EVERY DAY THAT PASSES MAKES US ONE DAY CLOSER TO REMOVING OBAMA – http://misstickly.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/reje… – OBAMA THE CLOWN IS IN DEEEEP DOO DOO – http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/ – SO IS ERIC HOLDER AND HIS CHEAP WHORES – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

YOU BIRTHER FREAKS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN FIFTH COLUMNISTS AND SEDITIONISTS! YOU HATE AMERICA! YOU DO NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS!

YOU ARE ANTI AMERICAN!

AND I MEAN THAT TOO!

DOJ'S “SECRET BLOGGING TEAM” IS OUTED, YOU GUYS ARE OUT OF A JOB and HEADED TO PRISON!

ENJOY THE TRUTH – YOU PAID BLOGGERS ARE “OUTED” – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

ricmarc – We KNOW who you are working for! – LIAR! – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

It took about the same amount of travel time in 1961 as today, modern jets were in full use by 1961.

I SMELL MANY CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS and A SCANDAL THAT WILL DWARF WATERGATE – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

ricmarc – I hope you ad your co-workers enjoy doing some LONG prison time, YOU FOOLS. THE “SECRET DOJ BLOGGING TEAMS” ARE NOW EXPOSED – AS IF YOU GUYS WEREN'T ALREADY PATENTLY OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE BUT EACH OTHER! Can you say “ERIC HOLDER IS GOING TO PRISON”?! LOL, LOL, LOL! It's over for you guys!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha – What IDIOTS! http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Caught from every direction – http://misstickly.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/reje… — http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/ – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam… – The Obama house of cards just fell.

ricmarc – You are much less intelligent than my garbage collector.

Anteni – You are now out of a job. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

More paranoid drivel from a delusional, idiotic birfoon. We’re not getting paid. We enjoy laughing at you as you twist and crumble with every desperate and pathetic post of the same copy/paste lies and fright wing nonsense.

More paranoid drivel from a delusional, idiotic birfoon. We’re not getting paid. We enjoy laughing at you as you twist and crumble with every desperate and pathetic post of the same copy/paste lies and fright wing nonsense.

More paranoid drivel from a delusional, idiotic birfoon. We’re not getting paid. We enjoy laughing at you as you twist and crumble with every desperate and pathetic post of the same copy/paste lies and fright wing nonsense.

The only “balls” Orly has are the two tiny marbles she still has rolling around in her skull.

But we’re supposed to believe a delusional, brain damaged, anonymous coward like you with more spare time than common sense?

You troll many of these boards with the same idiotic lies that are easily debunked.
Posting the same dysentery over and over again ad nauseam doesn’t magically make your insane ramblings true.

You must be so sad and lonely. How pathetic.

But we’re supposed to believe a delusional, brain damaged, anonymous coward like you with more spare time than common sense?

You troll many of these boards with the same idiotic lies that are easily debunked.
Posting the same dysentery over and over again ad nauseam doesn’t magically make your insane ramblings true.

You must be so sad and lonely. How pathetic.

You’re a paranoid idiot.

You’re a paranoid idiot.

Lawrence, we have your IP address and you are currently being watched. The Brown Shirts have your number and your shackles are waiting for you at the Secret FEMA Concentration camp #401. Don’t worry, you won’t even see them coming.

Think about the “feeling” going town Chris Matthews leg when the usurper is removed! Maybe they'll rename his show!

Please for once dispute any of the facts or arguments that have been presented other than going on to bizarre tangents. Lawrence your feeble attempts to distract from the main issues is obvious.

Yes, that is the exact logic that Orly Taitz is using. If a judge removes himself from a case that has been dismissed then their will be no sanction.

Your argument is akin to an athlete that faces possible suspension asking the referee to remove himself from the game after the game. Logic isn't your strong suit, is it.

When a court case has been dismissed, it is over. There was no ruling on the case. The only way that a case can be re-ruled is if a ruling has been made. As stated before it was dismissed.

If Orly Taitz thought that chess is played with balls could explain her inability to present factual case, without having it dismissed. Just for your information they are called chess pieces.

Also, a court case is not like chess. It isn't an attempt to outmaneuver the opposition. It is a process where lawyers from both sides present evidence to support their case.

Honestly, I was starting to believe that Taitz decided to become a judge from watching Perry Mason or similar crime dramas. Now, thanks to you, I am convinced.

Real court cases don't work like you see on television. There are reason that they are called dramas. Please learn why.

Lawrence, that was exactly the same question that I was going to ask you.

CaptainSteve is my favourite birther, and you are now a close second.

Lawrence, come on please present something that demonstrates that you present any form of intelligence.

Dispute at lesson one of ricmarc comments.

Explain to use why you stick to your disillusion, when the facts suggest otherwise.

There is something called education. With a good education you can actually spend time doing some honest research and make logical conclusions.

The only thing that has been exposed as a fraud are birthers. It will be funny if anything you write has an ounce of truth.

Image the feeling going down your leg joesaebi everything you are confronted with the facts. It must have several times a day, as the obvious truths can't be avoided.

Honestly, there will be another election in 3 years. At that time you can vote for your candidate of choice again, and you can continue being a sore loser.

No, it is your consistent behavior of not coming up with a single logical argument. Is the real reason is that you weren't happy with the election result.

One important point this is the Washington Independent an online news site. It is not a birther site. Calling someone who refuses to accept an authenticated birth certificate a birther is not a smear campaign.

What people are getting tired of is the consistent false statements made by you and other birthers without supporting documents. This action is called smearing. Complaining of those who debunk your statements as smearing you, is an act of a person who has no argument.

Yes and no. Some modern jets were in use, but only on major carrier routes. Compared to today, there were very few major carrier routes at that time. In addition, few airports were equipped to handle the larger jets. International travel was most definitely not non-stop. Layovers and multiple legs of travel were the norm, not the exception. Travel arrangements were complex and required the assistance of professionals known as “travel agents.” Air travel costs in those days were regulated and fairly expensive.

Majority: I couldn’t have put it better myself! The Captain has been an absolute douche ever since Gilligan left him for another companion. This is all he has left…

“…any opinion can be persuaded with the right dollar amount…”
Well isn’t that a tidy little insulation against any fact which makes you break out in hives.
You are beyond pathetic

If the Obama Brown Shirts are on the loose how is it that morons from you on up to Limbaugh haven't been muzzled yet? When that piece of crap has been silenced, first I'll celebrate with some artery-clogging Limbaugh-feed and a big cigar, then I'll inquire as to whether he was dragged away in the night or simply choked to death on a ham sandwich.Either way, win-win

Wow, you’ve really thought this one out, haven’t you? Actually figured out that if you get rid of BO, Nancy Pelosi is 2nd in line. God that must rankle. As for ‘null & void’ , WTF is that supposed to mean in USA on planet Earth? Read your freakin’ Constitution again, dimwit.

You're a paranoid, scared, little dog barking at the end of his chain. Got any evidence other than dysentery spewing from delusional, maniacal. fright wing blogs?

Didn't think so.

The only thing you smell is your lack of personal hygiene and your own paranoid fear.

You will very likely end up in prison or an asylum. And good riddance to rubbish.

You're an idiot.

“You;re an idiot.”

Thanks for the irony.

You're another pathetic dog barking from the end of his chain.

hey don't knock it, Justice gives us a great pension & all kindsa bennies. Plus this job is so fun; taunting retarded hillbillies all day and getting paid for it—come on,you'd do it too!

After watching the pro-obama bloggers for about 18 months, I’m convinced that the “frequent posters” work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring “browns-shirt bloggers” to smear those who question.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Good post Patriot!

Have you noticed the recent increase in activity and aggressiveness by obama’s cult-followers? They even have the lowly Chris Matthews spewing about “Natural Born Citizenship” on cnbc, saying it doesn’t matter (which of course it does).

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Obummer is a wimp.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/did_we_e…

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Balls as in manly? Obama is a girly man. He trows like a girl and bowls 37. He was probably born a girl and had a sex change.

Everything about obama is fake. He didn't even write his own book!

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/dennis-byrne-ba…

A good read on the Hawaiian cover-up.

http://itooktheredpill.wordpress.com/2009/10/07…
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Red Pill’s “Amplified Version” of Fukino’s 2nd News Release
October 8, 2009 by itooktheredpill

Here is the link to the actual text of Dr. Fukino’s July 27, 2009 News Release.

Here is my “amplified version” of her statement:

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records

[but I won't tell you what those records are]

maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health

[but note that I didn't say that all of those records are "on record in accordance with state policies and procedures"]

verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i

[but I wasn't willing to say that until the U.S. House of Representatives said so first]

and is a natural-born

[that is, born naturally, without any medical procedure such as a C-Section]

[Native] American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.

[That is, I am still not willing to say that the COLB shown on "Fight the Smears" is authentic, and I'm still not willing to say that Barack Hussein Obama is a natural born Citizen of the United States of America. Now GO AWAY and STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!]

You fell for the hoax? Idiot! I knew you were stupid, but you're dumb even for a birfer.

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Don't worry friends…Judge Carter has ORDERED DISCOVERY…cat is out of the bag soon…

The “certification of live birth” posted online and widely touted as “Obama's birth certificate” does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same “short-form” document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true “long-form” birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.
Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a “natural born citizen,” no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth

“the same “short-form” document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. ”

That may be the case, but a COLB issued in that instance would *not* state a Hawaiian place-name (EG Honolulu, as Obama's COLB does) as place of birth.

“Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a “natural born citizen,”

Nothing odd about it. McCain was born somewhere in Panama (where his father was serving at the time, I believe) whereas Obama was born in Hawaii.

Your IQ is obviously 37 based on your senseless posts.

Move out of your mommy’s basement and get a job, you worthless freak.

WooHoo, Obama has just become the 3rd sitting President to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize! GoBama! Now I wonder how stupid all you Birthers are going to feel when he goes down in history as the greatest President of our time. Probably not as stupid as you’ll look in the history books!

Hey look! The captain came out from under his cut&paste desk to cast a jibe at Obama’s masculinity. What woke you out of your oxycontin stupor?
BTW at least Obama wasn’t a CHEERLEADER like GW…

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

try not to double-post, hillbilly

More easily disproved. lies. You truly are an idiot. Keep us laughing, little coward.

You're trying to reason with a brain damaged lunatic. Kudos but perhaps your information will be useful to others reading your post who aren't paranoid, sniveling cowards.

EIGHTEEN MONTHS ? ! ! !

Get a job, you worthless freak.

“They aren’t looking for truth . . .”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! !

You are such an idiot. Good luck in prison.

The above comment was made by a mentally deranged lunatic who worships his brother, James von Brunn.

Get a job, you worthless freak.

^ Another of Orly’s split personalities (the one that is only retarded and not severely retarded) is at it again! Run!

Wow, what an ignorant comment. If the a person who had a Hawaiian birth certificate and wasn't born it Hawaii it wouldn't give the place of birth of any city in Hawaii. It would give a place of birth in some other city or jurisdiction. The birth certificate that the president has was issued by an agency of the Hawaiian government which clearly states the place of birth of Honolulu.

Please note. Hawaii is in America and has been an American state since 1959, which is before the birth of the president. Also, there were birthers who wanted to discredit John McCain by claiming that since he was born in Panama that he wasn't a natural born citizen. Why? Because he wasn't born in one of the 50 states of America. However, according the birthers argument Senator McCain is a natural born citizen since both his parents are American.

There was no congressional hearing to determine whether McCain was constitutionally eligible. What happened was a reconfirmation that he is eligible, because of wack-jobs like you RedGraham.

However, being the a birther who ignores the fact. The presidents “constitutional eligible” was also reconfirmed. But hey when you are to busy making up facts it is easy to miss something like that.

CaptianSteve. You have been missed. When writing a proper name it is always best to use leading capital letters. You help shows that you have some level of intelligence.

Come on for once in your life present some facts that support your position. All you seem involved in doing is distortions of the truth. If this was a real issue it would have been over before the election actually occurred.

There is no pressure captiansteve. It is just fun pointing out all the logical errors and inconsistencies with the birther arguments. Unfortunately, some of the information birthers post are so idiotic that it has to be harshly rebutted.

Hey, I must have read that same comment some where else. Now where was it. Come on you can come up with better rebut that than, or is cutting and pasting the only way that you can present an argument.

captainsteve attempt to prove that the a person who was born in Hawaii isn't a natural born citizen “The above comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team” … yes they even don't know that they should use a big O. When someone is losing an argument they call everything propaganda without demonstrating how it is propaganda.

The comment that they are referring seems more like sarcasm, but when you are too busy spreading misinformation you just miss the point.

Steve are you bored. Or do you really believe you have an argument to present. Come on take the time and prove your point. We all know you don't have one. 9 months. 10 months. One year. … And you birthers have produced not one logical argument that supports your position.

Honestly, just give it up.

the good captain has never quite been himself after his little buddy Gilligan left him behind on the island. Has issues…

CaptainSteve, buddy. Did you honestly take time to read the comment. Or, where you to busy making sure that you didn't make a mistake and hit <ctrl><c> instead of <ctrl><v>. Wow, It seems that your keyboard can make more logical arguments than you can.

No. I think that the only keys that work on captiansteve's keyboard is <ctrl> and <v>, since their keyboard just couldn't take the abuse of Taitzic/birtheric arguments.

Yes, Orly Taitz is a secret operative who is out to destroy the GOP. Shhh. Don't let CaptianSteve know since he will go nuts. Ooops. My mistake it is too late. He has been mesmerized by the utter illogical arguments from the birther movement. (i.e. just make anything up and don't worry if they are logically consistent or relevant).

AXJ still spreading your misrepresentations of the facts. If there was any authenticity in your comments it would be in the news. Even the conservative news sites who don't like the presidents policies would have this news.

Always, Always, back up with your comments with facts. Independent thinkers will verify if anything presented in factual. No, facts they will realize that you are being deceitful and not trust anything you have to say later.

Without providing a link (even a fake link) it is easy to conclude that this is another one of you attempt to spread fictional accounts of fictional or real events.

Anteni's comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team.

Learn how to identify obama’s paid bloggers.

They are the most frequent pro-obama posters (eg ), and you can tell by their writing they’re not stupid; they quote law, write of ad hominem attacks, Vattel etc.
But you never can quite reconcile the intelligence in their words with the utter stupidity of their logic, reasoning, and complete unwillingness to fairly consider all options.

If their comment causes you to shake your head in confusion, they are probably a paid blogger. Don’t waste your time trying to reason with them. They’re paid to screw with you.

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Anteni's comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team.

Learn how to identify obama’s paid bloggers.

They are the most frequent pro-obama posters (eg ), and you can tell by their writing they’re not stupid; they quote law, write of ad hominem attacks, Vattel etc.
But you never can quite reconcile the intelligence in their words with the utter stupidity of their logic, reasoning, and complete unwillingness to fairly consider all options.

If their comment causes you to shake your head in confusion, they are probably a paid blogger. Don’t waste your time trying to reason with them. They’re paid to screw with you.

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Anteni's comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team.

Learn how to identify obama’s paid bloggers.

They are the most frequent pro-obama posters (eg ), and you can tell by their writing they’re not stupid; they quote law, write of ad hominem attacks, Vattel etc.
But you never can quite reconcile the intelligence in their words with the utter stupidity of their logic, reasoning, and complete unwillingness to fairly consider all options.

If their comment causes you to shake your head in confusion, they are probably a paid blogger. Don’t waste your time trying to reason with them. They’re paid to screw with you.

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Anteni's comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team.

Learn how to identify obama’s paid bloggers.

They are the most frequent pro-obama posters (eg ), and you can tell by their writing they’re not stupid; they quote law, write of ad hominem attacks, Vattel etc.
But you never can quite reconcile the intelligence in their words with the utter stupidity of their logic, reasoning, and complete unwillingness to fairly consider all options.

If their comment causes you to shake your head in confusion, they are probably a paid blogger. Don’t waste your time trying to reason with them. They’re paid to screw with you.

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Anteni's comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team.

Learn how to identify obama’s paid bloggers.

They are the most frequent pro-obama posters (eg ), and you can tell by their writing they’re not stupid; they quote law, write of ad hominem attacks, Vattel etc.
But you never can quite reconcile the intelligence in their words with the utter stupidity of their logic, reasoning, and complete unwillingness to fairly consider all options.

If their comment causes you to shake your head in confusion, they are probably a paid blogger. Don’t waste your time trying to reason with them. They’re paid to screw with you.

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Anteni's comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team.

Learn how to identify obama’s paid bloggers.

They are the most frequent pro-obama posters (eg ), and you can tell by their writing they’re not stupid; they quote law, write of ad hominem attacks, Vattel etc.
But you never can quite reconcile the intelligence in their words with the utter stupidity of their logic, reasoning, and complete unwillingness to fairly consider all options.

If their comment causes you to shake your head in confusion, they are probably a paid blogger. Don’t waste your time trying to reason with them. They’re paid to screw with you.

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

The comment by chrisjay is paid for by the obama propaganda team.

Learn how to identify obama’s paid bloggers.

They are the most frequent pro-obama posters, and you can tell by their writing they’re not stupid; they quote law, write of ad hominem attacks, Vattel etc.
But you never can quite reconcile the intelligence in their words with the utter stupidity of their logic, reasoning, and complete unwillingness to fairly consider all options.

If their comment causes you to shake your head in confusion, they are probably a paid blogger. Don’t waste your time trying to reason with them. They’re paid to screw with you.

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

“The true “long-form” birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii”

More stupid birfer bullshit, but why are we surprised? Bullshit is all that birfers have to go on these days, seeing as how they don't have any facts, evidence, or logic on their side.

Captain, getting paid to screw with you would be so awesome! Heck, I'm happy to do it for free but if I can get in on this Obama $$ of which you speak, then hell, BRING IT ON!!
BTW don't you realize how pathetic it looks that you have degenerated into a cut&paste shell of your former spit&vinegar self?
Captain to the bridge!

Uh oh. I've just been outed by the captain as a secret operative on the BO team. Crap, my cover is completely blown! Guess I'll have to go back to the dirty tricks department where I used to specialize in ventriloquizing Palin's voice to make her appear to speak moronic and hilarious gaffes. Oh well that's a fun gig too…

The above comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team utilizing Alinsky rule #5.

The above comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team utilizing Alinsky rule #5.

The above comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team utilizing Alinsky rule #5.

Obot, do they pay you legal minimum wage?

Obot – “that than,” try cutting and pasting after you read what you type!

Obot – WooHoo

Obot Bullshit!

Obot BS!

Obot wannabe! Needs training.

brain damaged lunatic Obot.

Obot – Fact; Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was never an American Citizen and was a British subject. Under the British Nationality Act of 1948 baby )o( was born a British Citizen. Do you believe these FACTS?

Underage Obot!

Obot, where is the “s”

Obot, i.e. just make anything up and don't worry if they are logically consistent or relevant).

Jr. Obot “Run!” from the truth.

Obot Idiot!

Obot trying to protect Jr. Obot.

Obot stuck to cut & paste.

Stupid Obot NBCs are for Presidents not foriegners.

SCOTUS fact: Barack Hussein Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii, making him an american citizen at birth. USA doesn't care what other country's laws are, we live by OUR laws. Yes, Obama did have dual citizenship, but it doesn't matter…he's still considered an NBC.

Of course a birfer would think that the burden of proof is bullshit…no birfer has ever had any proof of anything, except their own stupidity.

Birfer stuck to stupid.

Birfer idiot!

Orlymagicman “Run” from sanity, logic, and evidence!

how ironic; old magicman spits out these robotic and repetitive “postings”, yet accuses anti-Birfers of being robots.
weak

Actually it only cheapens even further the Nobel Peace Prize which was recently awarded to Al Gore for his global-warming nonsense. Come Jan. 26,2010 we should find out the scoop on the Obama's true birthplace and citizenship as that is when his lawyers are supposed to present documents in court. Numerous Peace prizes, being part-black, and living in the Whitehouse can't legally change whether someone is eligible to be there. May God Bless Alan Keyes and let us pray the truth is told.

If the only problem was unhappiness with the election no one would continue questioning Obama and he wouldn’t keep hiring lawyers to hide the truth, you simpleton liar.

RobertX = Another cheap DOJ whore – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

ricmarc – You are an IDIOT and a cheap DOJ whore – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

mantis = ANOTHER cheap DOJ whore – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

RobertX – Like you’re a forensic document examiner, sure thing fool. You’re simply another of Eric Holder’s cheap whores – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

RobertX – You and Obama have one thing in common, you’re both liars – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

chrisjay – You’ve spouted nothing but the DOJ B/S – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Majority Will – It’s obvious why you’re here and who you work for – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

RobertX – You are well aware nothing Doctor Fukino says carries any weight in a court of law, you liar – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

barry5678 – We know who pays you to lie – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

ricmarc – Still no facts to post, huh? http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Jim – You know the only virus here is yours, you cheap whore. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Jim – It doesn’t matter where you’re working from, it’s obvious who is paying you and why you are here, you cheap whore. – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Wow, I’m pissed. I’m only getting paid! The other guys are getting t-shirts and everything. I want to join their club! Ralph, you got a number for that?

Jim – I’m ex-intel, I know exactly how to spot you shills. – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

chrisjay – LOL, you’re SOOO obvious, you fool! http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Oh, wow, Ralph. That’s impressive. Let’s see now, we’ve had one worth $50 mill, one on who’s who, one is a cartel, and now an ex-intel with the intelligence of a 2-year-old. I’m impressed!

Jim – Have you been sucking Larry Sinclair’s pecker again? http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Stupid birfer courtrooms are for lawyers not Orlys.

What you seem to be referring to is the absence of facts. Remember this one issue opinions are not facts. The only thing in the news about Obama is his award. There is nothing in the news about your claim. Honestly, this would be big news around the world. Take your deceptions else where you are starting to make yourself look foolish.

Anteni – Obama ADMITS he was governed at birth by The British Nationality Act of 1948. Do you understand that is an admission that he can NEVER be declared a “natural born citizen” of the United States? From “Fight the Smears” and “FactCheck.org” – “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” Now, do you get it YET?!! That’s a CONFESSION that Obama is NOT a “natural born citizen” from Obama’s OWN website, you fool!

From “Fight the Smears” and “FactCheck.org” – “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” Now, do you get it YET?!! That’s a CONFESSION that Obama is NOT a “natural born citizen” from Obama’s OWN website, you fool!

On Dec. 22 at the Smoky Row Coffee Shop in Oskaloosa, Iowa, the locals asked Obama about his Muslim roots. He said: “My father was from Kenya. A lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn’t practice Islam. Truth is, he wasn’t very religious.” That was a lie. Obama’s father and stepfather were devout Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. His stepfather, who had a much greater impact on Obama’s upbringing, was a radical Wahabbi Muslim. “My mother was a Christian from Kansas.” That was also a lie. Obama’s mother, his material grandmother and grandfather were all atheists. “They married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I’ve always been a Christian. The only connection I’ve had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from that country. But I’ve never practiced Islam…For a while I lived in Indonesia because my mother was teaching there. And that’s a Muslim country. And I went to school—but I didn’t practice Islam.” Another lie. Obama’s mother married Lolo Soetoro, a Wahabbi extremist who lived in Indonesia. When Obama’s mother moved to Indonesia—before she married her second Muslim husband—she enrolled her son in Francis Assisis Catholic School. He was enrolled as a Muslim because he was a Muslim. The enrollment form required each student to choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when enrolling: Buddhist, Catholic, Hindu, Muslim, or Protestant. Had he been a lifelong Christian, or even a recent convert, he—or his mother—would have circled Protestant.

Anteni – What I am referring to is Obama’s OWN website, what you are doing is blogging for dollars – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

But, you don’t get to define what a Natural Born Citizen is Ralph…but SCOTUS DOES!!! And guess what, if you were born in this country you are nbc. On top of that, his mother was a citizen, so he gains from that too. Sorry, when you get to the Supreme Court, maybe you could change that. But, your just a peon, no force of law or anything. So, enjoy screaming your head off for nothing.

Ralphie, Does ex-intel mean you used to be smart?

You and your ilk are keeping us paid Obama bloggers well fed. Keep up the good work. You are so easy to counter that it’s like taking candy from a baby.

Something tells me you could keep swallowing AND shovelling this gibberish for the next 8 years and barely have to come up for air; Gonna be a long 8 yrs, Ralphie, but I’m sure you have nothing but time on your hands: a trip to the mailbox once a month for the ol’ Socialist Security check, then back to the keyboard for a rage/rant and a twinkie….the time’ll just fly by…LOL

Anteni – I have spoken to persons all over Europe and the Middle East today, they all have one thing in common – they all agree the “Nobel Prize” is nothing but pure B/S. Obama is one in a long line of turds who have won that fake “award”. What a hypocrite AND a baby murder Obama is! http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

chrisjay – Once again, by your own words my point is proven beyond all doubt. – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

trust me, I know better than to follow these links to la la land, but thanks for the cautionary all the same…

Jim – As previously stated, you are not “SCOTUS”, you are merely a paid “scrotum licking fool”. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Jim – Firstly, you are illiterate. The word is “effect”, not “affect”. Secondly, you are lying. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Sounds like you’re arguing with yourself, ralphieRant, you do not communicate in the socially established norms: am I supposed to be picking up your brainwaves? Take off the tinfoil hat ’cause they’re not coming thru…

chrisjay – After posting the lies you have, the truth is what you NEED to see. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Ralph, I tell you, you just keep sticking your head further and further up you a$$!

From Unitied States v. Wong Kim Ark:
———————————————————

The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a
natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth.
Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that
principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the
adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.

But, of course, folks like you don’t care about the constitution or laws…you just want Obama out. We know, it’s obvious.

How does it feel to be “outed”, you pathetic liars! http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

RAGE against the AmericanMachine, Ralphie! “Nobody wants that stupid old Nobel and the crummy million-dollar prize which comes with it—everybody agrees with me & Rush: it’s a poopy prize, BWAAAAAAHHHH!!!”

It’s over. Obama is running scared and it is easy to see he knows his time in office will soon be over. Obama will be the next RICHARD NIXON, no doubt about it. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Jim, you have the patience of a saint, trying to reason with this rage-aholic dimwit—you’re a better man than I !!

Jim – BOTH Wong Kim Ark’s parents were citizens of the USA when he was born! Thank you for making my point. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

chrisjay – I doubt you’re a “man”, you’re more like a cross dresser. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

BOTH Wong Kim Ark’s parents were citizens of the USA when he was born, PLUS he was born in the USA. Thanks for seeing it the way SCOTUS decided the case. All the twisting and turning just backfired in your face. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

You are such an incredible idiot Ralph. Both his parents were Chinese citizens when he was born. That was the whole reason for the case, so he could be a NBC. Are you REALLY that dumb, or do you just hate Obama that much?

BOTH Wong Kim Ark’s parents were U.S. citizens AND he was born on U.S. soil, therefore SCOTUS decided he was a “natural born citizen”. Thank you Obama paid bloggers, you fell right into your own trap, fools! http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/

Wrong again Ralph, but I’m not surprised. The whole reason for the case was so WKA could be a citizen. Both parents were Chinese nationals, not american citizens. Man, when they were handing out the dumbs, they hit you hard!

Ooooh now Ralphie’s gettin’ worked up goooood: he has gone nuclear and, gulp, questioned my very manhood. Wow I don’t know how to respond; how will I EVER prove my machismo to Ralphie——I’m beside myself. I haz a sad :(

“Come Jan. 26,2010 we should find out the scoop on the Obama's true birthplace and citizenship”

Riiiight…of COURSE you will. Even though no birfer has ever presented any evidence,. facts, or logic to support anything they believe in, it doesn't matter because their lord and savior Orly Taitz (our lady of peroxide) is gonna get that scary angry black kenyan mooslim usurper to leave the White House. Birfers can do all things through their messiah Orly Taitz.

Oh that’s right Ralph, you’re “ex-intel”. Uh, how could I ever hope to pull one over on you, you clever spook, you! What am I, anyway? A Brownshirt or just an Obama dirty-trickster assigned to confound and demoralize the Taintz Team? Where do I pick up my check? I’m not doing this for fun, you know!

Nobel Prizes are not worth the paper Obama COLBs are copied on today.

Your great )0( will go down in history alright, as the first foreigner falsely elected POTUS & tried for treason.

If you accept the first part then the second part has to be an ignorant statement or an out right LIE! Which s it?

So, Ralphie, your extraordinary intel skills have actually unearthed a CONFESSION from Obama’s own, uh, propaganda? that he is a USURPER! Case closed, Ralphie wins & Obama goes to Gitmo. Guards: Seize him! Guards! Guards! Seize him, I say! ———-Ralphie, why aren’t they SEIZING him? you cracked the case–game over, right? Oh, I’m so confused…

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

First.-On her birth in New York, the plaintiff became a citizen of the United States. Civil Rights Act of 1866, [307 U.S. 325, 329] 14 Stat. 27; Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1, U.S.C.A.Const.; United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 , 18 S.Ct. 456. In a comprehensive review of the principles and authorities governing the decision in that case-that a child born here of alien parentage becomes a citizen of the United States-the Court adverted to the 'inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.' United States v. Wong Kim Ark, supra, 169 U.S. page 668, 18 S.Ct. page 164. As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, it follows that persons may have a dual nationality. 1 And the mere fact that the plaintiff may have acquired Swedish citizenship by virtue of the operation of Swedish law, on the resumption of that citizenship by her parents, does not compel the conclusion that she has lost her own citizenship acquired under our law. As at birth she became a citizen of the United States, at citizenship must be deemed to continue unless she has been deprived of it through the operation of a treaty or congressional enactment or by her voluntary action in conformity with applicable legal principles.

Now let's see, SCOTUS or an anonymous poster…which should it be?

SCOTUS: Citizen Upon being born in country…even if both parents were foreigners (Obama's got one up on you there). Laws of US trump foreign, so you can have dual citizenship…check. No matter what your parents are or do you do not lose your citizenship unless YOU yourself decide to after the age of 18..OK! Looks like you're covered.

Lostmagicman666: LIE LIE LIE!!! drool drool drool…SHOW ME THE LONG CERTIFICATE!!!

I think I'll go with SCOTUS…but, maybe that's just me.

Come on CaptainSteve you can come up with a better rebuttal than that.

It is strange that you complain about ad hominem attacks.The behaviour that you are engaging in against the president is exactly than.

There is no ad hominem attack when you are rebutted for going on strange tangents in your arguments.

The constitutional requirement to be president of the U.S.A has only 4 requirements.

1. 35 years of age and older.
2. Have resided in America for at least the past 14 years.
3. Being a natural born citizen
a. being born in America
b. Or, having both parents being American Citizens.
4. Being elected to the office of president.

Any additional information is not required.

I am pro-logical arguments. Please provide evidence to support your position. Actually, please give it to Orly Taitz since she has been consistently embarrassing herself.

Typical Holder-ordered, AC0RN-paid, M0VE0N.org, messages are just a bunch of infantile insults like “you are an idiot” or “that bleach-blond Taitz is crazy” or “Keyes is a sore loser” or “Pat Boone is a has-been” or “birfers are just a bunch of racists” or “Chuck Norris has been hit in the head a lot”. Sad part is some of these antibirfers are so gullible they post this stuff gratis. My posts are entirely for the purpose of keeping the BC issue going so, perhaps in January, the truth gets put on display. Then The Great Usurper will become a part of our past, our nation will be saved and justice will be served.

Please point out the factual errors. CaptianSteve gets really upset when people engage in ad hominem attacks. Yes, we both no their are none.

Mouthbreather, we understand quite well your delusion about the President being a 'foreigner'; please attempt to string together enough words into an intelligible phrase which might help us understand why you've thrown in the 'treason' gibberish.

Red, you are misnamed: green is the color of jealousy and envy.
Yes, may God bless Alan Keyes and all the angry little rage-dwarfs which people the Birfer Brigades. God bless your pointed little heads each & every one…

oldman it is not our problem that you cannot follow the bouncing ball of logic which Jim has laid out for you. Give it up and crawl back into your trailerpark recroom.

The “certification of live birth” posted online and widely touted as “Obama's birth certificate” does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same “short-form” document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true “long-form” birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.
Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a “natural born citizen,” no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth

How does the information present in any way supports your position. Nobody is disputing the fact that his father was a British and Kenyan citizen.

The birthers have three arguments but can choose one.

The first is that Obama's father is Kenyan/British, then Obama is automatically a Kenyan/British citizen no matter where he is born.

The second is that Obama is not a natural born citizen since both parents must be American citizens.

The three is that Obama wasn't born in America thus not a natural born citzen.

The last is an obvious refusal of the facts and inconsistent with the former two.

The second is a misinterpretation of a standing law, which is to deal with American citizens who have children outside of American jurisdictions.

The first demonstrates people inability to accept the facts that the law and the relationship between Kenya and Britain changed.

According to true birthers the last is the most relevant. Which position are you choosing?

Selectively picking a point to an argument weakens your position when more relevant facts are presented. Honestly, take some time and do your own research.

Did you actually read the bottom of the documents, or are you so disillusioned that they are hoping that your “Alice in Wonderland” fantasy is true.

Let me quote the document. “This copy serves as prima facle evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding”. The place of birth listed on the document gives the place of birth as Honolulu, Oahu, Honolulu, Hawaii. So the document is proof of birth, and indicates that the place of birth is an American city.

A legal document that gives the place of birth.

AXJ – cut and paste is no way to present a logical argument unless you include the citation and quotes encasing the text copied.

AXJheadintheROCKS is again misstating. Foreign children would show country born. Obama's, Hawaii. Next up, subliminal hearings in AXJ's ROCKS to see how many interceptions Romo throws this week.

I quoted a legal ruling that showed you comments as being false. Please accept the fact that you have been punked and move on to another point.

See the problem with birther arguments is that they ignore facts. A ruling in 110 years ago debuts anything that you believed happened 223 years ago.

It is called a precedent. If you want to continue presenting illogical arguments then so be it.

So, what are you going to try to convince people that the world is flat because you found a two thousand year old document. This is the reason people believe birthers are morons.

You can do better than that. Rebut the comments made. Or, accept what was said by Majority Will as the truth.

Wow. You caught me spelling attempts without an “s”. However, you didn't rebut my statement. Is it because you know it is true?

CaptianSteve, their is an Edit option for you to insert the missing link to your comment. I though that you didn't like ad hominem attacks. Please dispute my statement or you might as will admit that you like to engage in “ad hominem attacks”.

“Don’t waste your time trying to reason with them.” I missed this comment. Please, reason with me by providing facts to support your position.

If you don't then It will be easy to conclude that your statement “HOPE-for-CHANGE” means that the change that you believe in is making false statements more valuable that the facts.

Well what would you call it when a person that has been taught Constitutional Law Lies, posts false documents, and withholds the truth in order to run for POTUS. If that's not treasonous would you please tell me what it is?

British at birth =/= NBC.

Born In America = NBC

Don't care about UK, only our laws.

Dispute the comments or just show were the mistakes are. Honestly, keep up your nonsense and the birther movement will shrink further. My attempt is to give people the facts so that they can independently think for themselves. Not none of these cut and paste jobs (which quite obviously indicates an Birther-bot.)

what do you call an old man howling at the moon, calling people liars without proof, and expecting the world to bow to his every whim?

Senile.

Or Rush Limbaugh

The DOJ and Holder are using OUR money to hire bloggers! http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Orly Taitz and the blowers are but puppets to WND and their desire for world domination! Film at eleven.

Jim = paid liar – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Jim – Perkins vs, Elg is not applicable to this situation and you know it, you cheap whore. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

chrisjay = another DOJ paid liar – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Anteni – You have NEVER backed up ANYTHING with facts – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Ralph, is that why you have to post that useless, virus-infected link 10 times? Desperate for traffic, are you? Legally laying out citizenship doesn't apply? All you want is clicks.

The above comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team.

You lie. Prove your “a” and “b” in “3.” It's not there. 200 years say, both parents and US soil.

chrisjay = obvious paid liar – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Don't click…viruses

Jim SCOTUS NEVER SAID OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII, YOU'RE A LIAR – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Jim – You know you're lying, you cheap whore. Funny how you're always sitting at the ready and waiting to post comments at this time of day. Obvious, soooo damned obvious! http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Ralph-all hot air. Why, you have any proof he wasn't born in Hawaii? Or do you just call everybody a liar…because of your limited vocabulary?

Jim knows Perkins vs Elg is not directly applicable to Obama's situation. Jim, the more you liars post, the more obvious you become and the more people switch sides. Thanks for helping to expose Obama's lies, you ignorant DOJ tools. – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Actually, I'm working from home. You're my entertainment break. Here's your basic problem…it's easy to call someone a liar, harder to prove it.

Obama and Holder are desperate fools. The jig is almost up and they know it. The Obama deception will be bigger and better known than the “Watergate conspiracy” ever was. May the prisons of this nation overflow with the Obamawhores! http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

Jim – An NBC cannot be born with dual loyalties. That is well established. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

NBC cannot be born with dual loyalties, fact. http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

By whom. SCOTUS says no other country's laws have any affect on our citizenship. Otherwise, North Korea could have declared Bush and our whole chain of command citizens and brought our country to a standstill. Kind of makes sense we don't want to give that kind of power to our enemies, doesn't it?

Jim – You're not SCOTUS and they've never stated what you childishly continue to repeat ad infinitum. – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

You don't care about America! You just care about pushing a Communist agenda under a usurper. What in hell do you think “you” would get out of a Communist state. Don't they pay you a living wage as a Obot poster?

Just to make a clarification. The primary players in spreading this deception are WND, AXJ and Orly Taitz. It is hard to determine which one is the worst. Ms. Taitz the one who claims anyone who rebuts her as a “brown shirt”. Or, WND/AXJ who consistently publish false and logically disjoint articles.

It's almost over, that's why Obama, Holder, and the cheap whores at DOJ are spending OUR money to blog for old faggy Blowbama. – http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

What's wrong with World Domination? As long as America is Dominating. Domination is a Hell Of A Lot better than Submission to a Communist State

I'm getting paid? When can i expect the check to arrive. Then again, maybe I'm just an average citizen who respects our constitution and the laws on which it was founded. But, what would you know, you probably couldn't understand it if you even tried to read it.

Come on like really. Communism, Socialism, etc… Are you hoping one will stick.

People who are rebutting birthers are sticking to the position that the president is a natural born citizen.

Stop going onto weird tangents. It weakens your position, since it suggests that their is no evidence to support your position.

They're not spending much over minimum wage, most of these Obots are brain dead and can never come up with a logical thought. They don't even know the difference between “citizen” and what a Natural Born American Citizen is. They think the 14 Amendment addresses Natural Born Citizens and a wetback can have a child half way across the Rio Grand and that child can grow up to one day be POTUS. Communism must destroy the brain or only the brain dead lean toward Communism. May God and David Carter help us!

Really, oldfartinthewind? And what do you think a natural born citizen is? And, why do you think we have different classes of citizens? Wouldn't that make us like England at the time of the constitution? Isn't that what we were trying to get away from, Kings, Earls, aristocrats?

Ralph, you are incoherent. You are clearly a rage-aholic, but beyond that fact it is impossible to decipher your gibberish

Yep, almost over. Ralph and his blower buddies are down to trying folks to click on their sites…with no proof, only wild theories and forged documents. I recommend you stay away, these folks have sold their souls. No telling what kind of nasty junk they've got on their sites now.

Steve what is the issue? Something seemed to change within those 200 years.

“The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [citizen and natural born citizen], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” — United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

Don't change people unless you think they can't back up their statements.

Oldfart had better beware what he wishes for—-if we had 2 classes of citizen he would clearly be on the losing end of THAT proposition LOL

Obama was elected by knowingly committing fraud and playing the race card. http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/searc…

Obama was elected by knowingly committing fraud and playing the race card. http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/searc…

Oldgeezer, sounds like what you REALLY need is a couple of one hour sessions with a competent dominatrix—It might help you get past these unhealthy issues upon which you clearly obssess

To tango with the Taintz Team is to take a heady whiff of Dali-esque surrealism; the other side of the looking glass repleat with all these non-sequiters about Communism & Brownshirts. It's like some kind of drug—-are we sure this is legal?

You can't even prove that Obama was born in Hawaii, and now you want us to believe that you have discovered an conspiracy for out of the White House.

Honestly, the birth certificate issues is the easier of the two to prove. What has been concluded on that is that Obama is a natural born citizen of America. Thus, your wide-eyed Alice in Wonderland story has no relevance to anything other than to confirm that birthers are just nuts.

I'd have her begging for a spanking in less than a hour!

Educate yourself! Google – John Jay's letter to George Washington dealing with Natural Born – and tell me just who the first Supreme Court Justice wanted to exclude from becoming Commander in Chief.
I will tell you! Exactly What We Have Sleeping in Our White House Tonight!
A BRITISH CITIZEN!

chrisjay I'd find you a good job typing to children about childish things. Same pay as Obot wages, less stress and no need to lie.

I think we are dealing with Ralph from the Simpsons. All the birthers seem to operate at that level of mental competence, and they eat a lot of paste.

It won't be difficult to identify them for shipment to the FEMA camps, just look for the ones with crayons up their noses.

Anteni “you” can't even prove that Obama was Born in Hawaii.
You admit he was born a Brit which makes him ineligible.
His daddy was NEVER an American Citizen which makes him ineligible.
He was never vetted which makes the prof up to him.
Pelosi rigged the DNC election papers because she didn't want to go down when the truth was discovered.
This is too corrupt to be made into a Movie no one would believe this conspiracy as fiction. But it is an unfortunate fact. So many lies and so many liars.

Seems all you Obots eat is Obama BS.

Are you admitting to being an old toothless paste eater? I guess you need it to hold in your Government supplied false teeth.

John Jay knew what the Natural Born requirement
would do. It would keep the British out of our White House. Exactly what we have in our White House tonight.
No one denies his daddy caused him to become a British Citizen at birth. Anteni, the founding fathers were not able to be considered Natural Born because they had non American parents and themselves were born as British subjects. They had to add the following language to have anyone eligible to become POTUS.”unless you are a citizen of the US at the time of the adoption of this constitution”. This allowed the first 10 Presidents to hold office even though they were never Natural Born American Citizens. Obama was not alive and a citizen 223 years ago when the Constitution was adopted so this language can not help him today. He is not Natural Born and can never be considered Natural Born, therefore he is a usurper and must be removed from office ASAP.

childish responses to childish tantrums over having lost an election.Old & addled as your brain is, you must recall how democracy works, no?

Actually two Kenyan Birth Certificates, Grandma Obama's & Kenyan ambassadors recorded statements, Obama's own admissions, etc. are all evidence (proof). More to come.

Gosh, here Obama is virtually CONFESSING to being a foreigner and those damn liberal Senators & Reps like Michelle Bachmann and Angry Inhofe STILL won't frogmarch The Usurper out of the Whitehouse. I guess the Conspiracy is more pernicious than even your worst nightmares, eh Birfer Bots?

“Actually two Kenyan Birth Certificates, Grandma Obama's & Kenyan ambassadors recorded statements, Obama's own admissions, etc. are all evidence (proof). More to come.”

You're right, those things are proof…proof that Orly Taitz doesn't know jack shit about Evidence. That recorded statement from grandma and “the ambassadors” wouldn't even be admissible, and those kenyan birf sertifikats are so obviously fake that a first-year law student could keep those from being admitted. Of course, Orly didn't actually go to law school so she wouldn't know anything about that.

You continue to present false facts to support you position. Now are you admitting that the president was born in America on American soil? According to American law a child automatically becomes an American citizen once he is born in America. The nationality of the parents are irrelevant.

Second, countries do have a tendency of recognizing citizenship of children born to citizens who are not with the jurisdiction of the country. This allow these children to be repatriated. However, this doesn't in away make another citizenship invalid.

The reason thats we view birthers as fraud are a follows.

They make multiple disjoint arguments to support their position even resorting to disproved theories.

They refuse to look at the facts.

They easily accept obvious forgeries as authentic documents even after the said forgeries have been proven or admitted to be fake.

They attempt to weave a complicated conspiracy over one document.

“So many lies and so many liars.” It is not nice to call your fellow birthers liars.

Finally, I don't have to prove Obama is a natural born citizen. I being an independent minded person just have to look at the facts.

- one birth certicate.
- two independent birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers.
- various independent fact checking of the birth certificate and verification of its authenticity.
- confirmation of the Governor and Health director that they birth certificate is authentic.

What have birthers produce.
- illogical arguments without any proof.

No proof for your position. I am sorry but it has to be rejected.

What I am having a hard time understanding, is that don't they realize the problems they have with their arguments.

- No facts
- Logical inconsistencies.

Typical Holder-ordered, AC0RN-paid, M0VE0N.org, messages are just a bunch of infantile insults like “you are an idiot” or “that bleach-blond Taitz is crazy” or “Keyes is a sore loser” or “Pat Boone is a has-been” or “birfers are just a bunch of racists” or “Chuck Norris has been hit in the head a lot”. Sad part is some of these antibirfers are so gullible they post this stuff gratis. My posts are entirely for the purpose of keeping the BC issue going so, perhaps in January, the truth gets put on display. Then The Great Usurper will become a part of our past, our nation will be saved and justice will be served.

I looked into my crystal ball and I see the future. Next week Judge Carter will toss Orly and her case out to the garbage heap where all the other Birther cases have gone. Orly will then demand Judge Carter resign or be removed, call him an idiot accuse him of treason and accuse “the Obama brown shirts” of conspiracy and of manipulating the courts (and everyone else who opposes her) . Followed by probably calling (yet again) for the military to openly revolt and remove the imposter BO by force. She will probably go on such a high pitched babbling rant in the courtroom that the Judge will charge her with contempt and (hopefully) throw her ass in jail, and or have her disbarred just like that assistant of hers.

Shall we wait and see???

have Viagra, will travel, eh drooler?

Guess who we had sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom during the Reagan era: Nancy’s hairdresser and his gay lover spent the night repeatedly. And by the way, Craig Ferguson may technically be British but most of us consider him Scottish, gummyman!

Typical Orly-worshiping, Paypal paid, fact free, evidence free, logic free messages are just a bunch of birfer nonsense; big words like “usurper,” “unconstitutional,” (not that birfers know what that means) “Obama is illigetimate,” (birfers can't prove this) “natural-born citizenship” (birfers have no idea what this means).

The saddest part is that not only do these idiot birfers actually think that judges are as stupid as they are, they have the nerve to think that other lawyers are as incompetent as Orly is! She routinely forgets to sign documents, ignores the rules of civil procedure…she even had to have a judge explain the burden of proof to her in his order dismissing her frivolous lawsuit. Yet the birfers follow her every move, worshiping her as if she was their queen. After all, Orly is the smartest of the birfers.

They even think that anti-birfers (read: sane people) are actually getting paid for mocking their gross ignorance and made-up legal theories, when we in fact do it for free. Mocking the birfer movement is like picking low-hanging fruit: it's just too good to pass up.

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Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

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The above message is paid for from the blower account at the bank of delusions. Don't bother clicking on his site, it's just full of wild theories and forged documents. Cap'n has run out of arguments that have been continually and constantly proven wrong, so his latest tact is to call everyone who disagrees with him and the blowers as being paid by Obama. Of course, in the shallow world he lives in, he doesn't understand that there are true citizens who respect our constitution and laws, not just blowers who only think they should be used only when the laws agree with their position.

Actually darth,, under normal circumstances I would have agreed that Clinton would have exploited this if she thought it was real. But you’re making the mistake of assuming that if Obama couldn’t get the nomination because of this that Hillary would have won the presidency.

Back in June 2008, I figured Hillary would do just that. But then after giving it some consideration, it became apparent to me that while you might have gotten herself the nomination, the anger and fallout from all of the Obama supporters would have given the election to McCain. So anothers, she was damned if she did and damned if she didn’t because it was past the point of no return.

I've coming here for a few weeks now, to be freakishly entertain by CaptainCrunch and his friends, and in that time they typically revolve around a couple of fallback delusions:

Paranoia/self-importance-they think they warrant attention from Obama “operatives” (oh yeah, they are THAT important!) and anyone who disagrees with them is Obama Secret Police.

Impending Vindication–every day, with these loons, we are THIS CLOSE to witnessing an apocalyptic demise of the Usurper and his coterie: we are forever 'shitting our pants' and 'wringing our hands ' in despair because Obama's ruination is upon us

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

And what will you say next week when my prophecy comes true?? SOSDD? (Same old shit different day)

You forgot the part about the “paid blogging” nonsense; that is by far the most delusional birfer nonsense yet.

By far the stupidest birfer nonsense yet. “Thugocracy?” Really? If this is the kind of stuff that you pick up through your tinfoil hat, Orly, you may want to switch to a different brand.

You are truly the red-headed stepchild of Orly's personalities.

“CAPN STEVE,” STOP DROOLING!!! SHOW US YOUR IQ TEST AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!

BIRFERS-r-DUMB

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Also if there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue why would the Obama pay lawyers to attempt to quash the evidence and get the case dismissed?
It would be a lot cheaper to just get the BC. That Nobel prize-money will just about cover his cover-up legal fees. That is unless he owes AC0RN.

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The above message, like all the other copy/paste messages below, was paid for the society for the preservation of blowers. Please give generously so they can afford to keep hiding in their basements and come out and see the light of the US Constitution…a document they have no use for.

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

“Yeah, that Obammer punk can just shove his Nobel and his stupid million-dollar prize—he'll need it to pay legal costs, ah-hilk! What? I have to pay court costs??? D'oh!!!”

Anteni, you need more training at this truth bashing, you ain't to good at it.
No one knows where the usurper was born he wont pony up the real documents. To any reasonable person his war to hide simple facts should wave a Red Flag high.
You obviously can't comprehend the difference between “citizen” and the Presidential requirement of being Natural Born.
You refuse to look at facts.
You easily accept obvious forgeries as authentic documents even after the said forgeries have been proven or admitted to be fake.
If a world wide conspiracy exists then it has to be dealt with not dismissed.
Don't blame Obots for lying that's just what they are paid to do.
You can't prove the )o( is a NBC because he was born a Brit to an unAmerican father.
-Fake COLB
-Newspaper articles mean nothing and they or fake seeing the Nordak twins announcement was redacted and replaced with Obama's.
-No Obama documents have ever been seen by an neutral expert.
-The Hawaiian Governor and Health director have only said there was some kind of paper on file. What kind of document? A marriage license is what they responded to last week.
Foreigners can never be President! That's all the facts we need.
Not a Natural Born American Citizen with no foreign ties, he has to be rejected.
Give it up Anteni!

Sorry, the Captain is, er, busy right now. Both of his hands are, um, occupied—-as are both of his brain cells.
Until he is once again, uh, 'available' , this infantile cut&paste posting will serve as a, shall we say, 'Do Not Disturb' sign. I know, I know, how can you disturb someone already so obviously profoundly disturbed, right?
Nevertheless, until further notice….

Obot presenting BS and no facts -again- .

Child Obot trying to be like a grownup Obot

Child Obot

Obot on the defense!

I know, I know, my comment is paid for blah, blah blah. Now that we've got that delusion covered, let's smack down your pathetic house of cards with one flick, oldcrazyman: The only exposed forgeries have been proffered by Birfers (then summarily smacked down) you delusional 'bagger!
Secondly,Obama is not in ANY war with you, you are raging in a room full of mirrors, which those of us with somewhat exotic senses of humor occasionally peek into for a sick laugh. Take off the tinfoil hat and your conspiracy theory may cease to trouble you for all I know. But I'm not a psychiatrist so…

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

“Impending Vindication–every day, with these Free Americans, we are THIS CLOSE to witnessing an apocalyptic demise of the Usurper and his coterie: we are forever 'shitting our pants' and 'wringing our hands ' in despair because Obama's ruination is upon us”
chrisjay you finally got something right!

Monday we should hear from David Carter and know without a doubt that the DOJs dismissal request has been rejected.

Obots are Stupid

Cherish that image oldcrazyman: it'll help you thru the next 8 years LOL

Everyone is a child compared to you, drooling old senile 'bagger

If what you post were to happen be careful very careful, Orly will not be alone. People can only put up with so much BS until they explode. I for one don't want to see America split in half and at war. Hopefully Judge Carter will save our great country, from it's self.

Oh yeah, I expect Judge Carter to deliver another beatdown. Now, instead of just going ahead and ruling, he gets to write-up his reasons for granting the motion to dismiss. Then, we get another piece of ammunition against delusional blowers to cite and quote from. We wanted him to wait instead of ruling from the bench. You're getting another judicial beatdown, whether you like it or not.

Attention Birfers:
you've been honing your argument for months now, here on the internet and in the courtroom. You have survive the relentless ridicule, derision, and legal rejection with something less than dignity, but you have survived it just the same.
Many of you here have demonstrated unshakeable confidence in your life-mission and have 'reasoned' that your 'legal' arguments have failed because, naturally, the fix is in.
That being said, your confidence SHOULD dictate that you would do an end run around the 'corrupt' legal system and take your various arguments to the extreme right in Congress who are your natural allies. Why haven't you done this? and if you have, how do you explain their lack of enthusiasm for the Cause?
Outside of a few trailerparks in a couple of Red states, your Cause no longer commands attention or enthusiasm among your natural constituency, yet you KNOW you have the 'goods' on Obama.
Don't get me wrong, I still find this game plenty entertaining, I'm just not sure why you don't find more venues to ply your wares.

Someone ought to save YOU from yourself you rage-filled drooler

I wonder if it will be as epic as Judge Land's smackdown? He set the standard with his “Alice in Wonderland” reference. I just can't wait for Judge Carter to officially make the transition from “birfer hero” to “brownshirt judge.”

Citing Yogi Berra was a touch of brilliance. You could just see all those blowers squawking like an aflac duck! LOL!

“No one knows where the usurper was born” That is a really funny comment. No one in Congress or the Senate believe that Obama isn’t a natural born. No one. They are all sacrificed that he has met the constitutional requirement.

However, there are one too many GOP politicians that are will to pander to the “birther bases” as not to offend the morons that are birthers. What over the past months as several GOP politicians have run away when being directly challanged on the issue. Michelle Bachmann try to place the blame on this movement on the left.

Sooner or later you are going to have to accept that the birther movement just contains people who are bitter that Obama won the election.

Now here comes the hard truth.

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^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

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“Now here comes the hard truth.”

Currently Obama has satisfied that he has met the constitution requirements to become president of U.S.A. Specifically, being over 35 years of age, living in America for over 14 years, and being a natural born citizen.

This is where the current facts sit. It is up to you and fellow birthers to prove that any of this is not true.

The birther queen Orly Taitz has accepted several forged documents to pursue her case, even after being told that they are forgeries. This behaviour in no way help support the birther argument.

Birthers have provided on facts to support their position. They refuse to look at facts.

Relating to the right of the constitution: A legal ruling was made which clearly states that the nationality of child born on American soil is irrelevant to the fact that that child is a natural born citizen.

Relating to Kenyan/British Citizenship: Britain recognizes the independence of many of it colonies including Kenyan.

Relating specifically to Kenyan: Kenya doesn’t recognize dual citizenship. Adult who don’t renounce non-Kenyan citizenship by the age of 23 automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship.

Relating to a certificate of live birth: There has been only one document release by Obama’s camp with clearly indicates that he was born in Hawaii, specifically Honolulu.

Relating to forgeries: There have been 3 forgeries released. All attempt to propose a non-American birth.

Relating to newspaper: Newspapers check with the hospital to verify that the facts are correct. This is how newspaper generally work. It call journalistic integrity.

Relating to integrity: Why would a reasonable person who has release a specific about of information, release more information just to satisfy a third party. Releasing more information than what is minimally requires is foolish. This is the same kind of con people who do phishing use, by requesting you to release more information than is required.

Relating to rejection: Sorry red, I have to reject your arguments as nonsense until you provide any logical argument or proof that supports your position.

If you can provide any proof that clearly states that Obama wasn’t born in America, then do so. We both know that none exist.

Finally, the world will still spin and in three years from now Obama will still be president.

I am just waiting for the humilation that Orly Taitz has been setting herself up for.

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

I think I asked a reasonable question in good faith, predicated on Birfer terms and worldview, and I am curious why no response is forthcoming.

Hey, I hadn't heard that Chuck Norris line but now that you mention…I'll try to be more tolerant of his Klanish ramblings, I really hadn't taken brain damage into consideration. I stand corrected.

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Your answer should be obvious. Washington is corrupt to the core.

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“announcement was redacted”??? Birthers don’t understand why their arguments are ridiculed. Your comment about redacted is illogical.

You attempted to argue that the birth announcement is fake, because birth announcements are fake.

No, you are arguing that the birth announcement is fake. Actually, you have seen first hand an birth announcement replaced with another one about 48 years ago.

No, you have read this in the newspaper. However, you attempt to argue that newspaper articles (announcements) are fake. It seems that you should put down the newspaper you are reading to get you information from, since it is fake.

Yes, this is what you said. How can you trust your sources.

Honestly, people look at various sources of information. The more independent sources the more valid the information.

Stop arguing with yourself, maybe you will be able to think of logical argument for you “Alice in Wonderland” position.

P.S. looking at the information provided it can be easy to assume since it was two children born that it would take up more space in the newspaper that that of one child. Logic is not your strong suit now is it.

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

Yes, corrupt to the core…and only Orly, her split personalities, and a bunch of people whose collective IQ is less than that of a broken doorknob can save the nation from that evil sooper sekrit kenyan indoneeshun angry black mooslim usurper colored hussein fella.

(That would be the birfers, in case anyone was wondering)

You’re right about that. He’s probably taking a good look at the complaints already filed against her, and evaluating all her ethics violations. I betting he won’t just slap her down, but he’ll bitch slap her ass clean into the next county. Then have her disbarred before her eyeball quit rolling in opposite directions. (Can you just picture that with those plastic clown eyelashes!) ROFLMAO

Wow. Another original comment brought to you by CaptainSteve. It seems he has run out of things to say.

It seems that you have been watching to much television. The responsibility of lawyers is to defend the position of their side. That is what they are paid for. When the lawyer for the defendant ask the court to dismiss a case, they are actually arguing that the case has no merits.

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Captainsteve, you have more posts than anyone else, with most with the exact same words. So could we assume that you are working with Orly Taitz. The reason that you are such an easy target for mocking is that you are a hypocrite.

Obama, show your birth certificate!

Should we trust Obama and his online short-form B/C when he has hidden all his other documentation and long-form B/C, and lied about everything else? Here's a few of his lies.

He said:

He was a moderate and would govern from the center.

No new taxes on anyone making less than $250K.

Cap-N-Trade would on cost the amount of a postage stamp per day.

No more Washington as usual.

He said he wrote his own books. Bill Ayres wrote “Dreams.”

No earmarks.

No lobbyists in Cabinet.

He would keep track of the bailout money.

No free health-care for illegals.

No government funding for abortion.

Health-care debate to be broadcast on C-Span.

No programs enacted without having the funding (Pay-Go).

All new bills to be available for public review.

Didn't want to run car company.

Doctors remove kids tonsils just to make more money.

Enact policies to make world safer.

He would not desert Israel.

He would get out of Iraq.

He would close Gitmo.

He would do whatever it took to win in Afghanistan.

He would get Bin Laden.

He said he barely knew William Ayers the domestic terrorist and pentagon bomber.

He said he wouldn’t prosecute the CIA agents re detainee treatment.

He would keep a balanced budget.

No deficit spending.

He would be bi-partisan.

Didn’t really know much about ACORN.

Wouldn't allow government funds to pay for abortions.

Would stop illegal immigration.

No government takeover of health-care.

He would represent ALL Americans.

He also said he was born in Hawaii. Hmmm

Thanks, but I think it’s time to see the LONG-FORM birth certificate, and other records!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Another cut and paste job. Don't you have any original to say. You keep on typing “HOPE-for-CHANGE”, but the text above it hasn't changed. Do you know what the word “change” means.

An original comment would be good. I mean you have entered the exact same text. Are you bored?

This is an utopian wish list; you are more naive than I could have possibly imagined, captain.
You have simply projected your disappointment in the 'system' onto one man who, you have convinced yourself, is marked out as the Other. You have singled him out to be crucified in order to purify your corrupted world.
Really quite sad

I am waiting for some form of logical argument. This is more entertain that listening to other conspiracy groups.

It is you and CaptainSteve that are “on the defense!”.

CaptainSteve, uses “The above message is paid for by the obama propaganda team.” when he has no more arguments.

You use “Obot” followed by less than 9 words.

What you have to accept is when your position has been undermined, that you stop arguing and engage is meaningless comments. (You=CaptianSteve and OldMagicMan666)

As promised a little history about Judge David O. Carter

Behind that sweet soft spoken demeanor lies a real Judge, nicknamed “King David” and “nominated by President Bill Clinton on June 25, 1998 to fill a seat vacated by William J. Rea. Carter was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 21, 1998, and received his commission the following day.”

So obviously there was no forum shopping on the part of Orly Taitz so that is out of the question.

But what is this man really thinking? He knows OBAMA's future as President of the United States and now International Nobel Peace Prize winner's fate is in his hands.

Does he deny the Attorney General's motion to dismiss this case and proceed with discovery, or does he wash his hands like Pilatus did?

He knows the US Constitution is above every institution in the land and THE AMERICAN PEOPLE created it and the government they are now denouncing for fraud and treason against the American People. Will his decision be the spark of another civil war? Must he realize he is in that position precisely because THE PEOPLE have put him there and he owes his allegiance to the Flag and THE PEOPLE for which it stands?

He probably does know all this and more and although he may have thousands of friends around the United States and abroad, this is the loneliest moment of his career and life.

He know all of Congress and his friends and peers are watching his evey move and will read every word he writes.

Actions speak louder than words and although he has the weight of the world on his shoulders right now, he must be just and impartial and must let this case move forward and let THE PEOPLE decide. He cannot prejudge it before it is tried on the merits as promised.

The documentation Orly Taitz has presented is very serious. If true it will be more dangerous for this great country not to have acted now and let this cancer continue.

For once in his life Judge Carter is silent. Is still. Is thinking.

Let us THE AMERICAN PEOPLE stand beside him and guide him to make the best decision for all of us.

Unfortunately Judge Carter, this time it is black or white, yes or no.

Do you continue with this trial or prolong the suffering for THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

WE MUST KNOW THE TRUTH.

——————–
*David O. Carter (born 1944 in Providence, Rhode Island) is a United States District Court Judge for the Central District of California. Assumed office October 22, 1998, Nominated by Bill Clinton, Preceded by William J. Rea, Born March 28, 1944, Providence, Rhode Island.

Biography

Carter is a “Double Bruin,” having received both his bachelor's degree (B.A. cum laude 1967) and his law degree (J.D. 1972) from the University of California, Los Angeles.

After graduating from college, Carter enlisted in the United States Marine Corps. He was promptly dispatched into service in Vietnam during the Vietnam War where he fought in the Battle of Khe Sahn in 1968. Carter was released as a First Lieutenant following his service in Vietnam. His military awards and decorations include a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart.

Carter began his legal career as an Assistant District Attorney with the Orange County District Attorney's Office in 1972 where he became the senior deputy district attorney in charge of the office's homicide division. As a prosecutor, Carter was the initial prosecutor and filed charges in the case of serial killer William Bonin, also known as “The Freeway Killer,” who became the first person executed by lethal injection in California in 1996.

In addition to his judicial functions, Carter now performs a wide array of speaking engagements. He has lectured fellow judges through the California Judges College, the Judicial Criminal Law Institute, and the Ninth Circuit Judicial Conference. He also speaks frequently with judges abroad, including past engagements in Brazil, Bosnia, China, The Philippines, and Malawi. Carter finally teaches an undergraduate course on the international narcotics trade at the University of California, Irvine, where he has three times received the school's Distinguished Professors Award, and has taught with the Whittier Law School's Summer Abroad Program.

[edit] Judicial career

[edit] Orange County Superior Court

In 1981, Carter joined the bench as a Municipal Court Judge in Orange County, California. One year later, he became an Orange County Superior Judge, a position that he held until joining the federal judiciary in 1998. Carter initiated a variety of programs to assist in the rehabilitation of convicted felons, including a tattoo removal program for gang members, and was active in planning the county's Law Day festivities. He earned the nickname “King David” from attorneys while serving as the Supervising Judge of the court's Criminal Division.

[edit] United States District Court

Carter was nominated by President Bill Clinton on June 25, 1998 to fill a seat vacated by William J. Rea. Carter was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 21, 1998, and received his commission the following day.[1] He now sits in the Southern Division of the Central District of California in Orange County, California. His courtroom deputy clerk is Kristee Hopkins.[2]

As a jurist, Carter is known for his acute intellect, courteous judicial demeanor, tireless work ethic, and expertise in complex criminal litigation.[3] Although he is assigned to the Central District of California, Carter also regularly sits by designation in the District of Idaho and on occasion with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and in the District of Guam.

Notable cases

[edit] Gay-Straight Alliance (Colin ex rel. Colin v. Orange Unified School District)

In the first ruling of its kind, Carter issued a preliminary injunction in 2000 ordering Orange County public school officials to allow a Gay-Straight Alliance club organized by students to meet on campus. In so doing, Carter held that the Equal Access Act, 20 U.S.C. §§ 4071-4074, requires a public high school that accepts federal funding and established a limited open forum for non-curriculum-related student groups must allow a student group promoting tolerance for homosexual persons to meet on campus.[4]

The case settled after Carter issued the injunction, with the school board agreeing to recognize the Gay-Straight Alliance organization. Although the case was politically controversial, Orange County School Board member Linda Davis later admitted at a board meeting on November 18, 2000 that Carter's legal ruling was correct when she stated, “We know the law is on their side, but our community members don't want it.”[5]
[edit] Mexican Mafia Trials (United States v. Fernandez, et al.)

Between 2000 and 2001, Carter presided over the longest criminal trial in the history of the Central District of California.[6] This case involved the prosecution of more than forty alleged members of the Mexican Mafia on charges of murder, attempted murder, conspiracy to murder, extortion, robbery, and various drug trafficking and firearms crimes. Much of the case involved a triple homicide that occurred in 1998.[7]

The case was severed into three trials, with Carter presiding over each, and lasted for a combined 18 months. Following the conviction of Mariano “Chuy” Martinez on murder charges, the prosecution sought the death penalty, making it the first capital case to be tried in Los Angeles federal court since 1950.[8] A jury ultimately spared Martinez, sentencing him instead to life imprisonment.

[edit] Anna Nicole Smith (In re Marshall)

In 2002, Carter awarded over $88 million in damages to former Playmate Vickie Lynn Marshall, better known as Anna Nicole Smith, in the battle over the estate of her late husband, billionaire J. Howard Marshall. The case came to Carter on appeal following a federal bankruptcy court ruling that awarded Smith $475 million of her late husband's $1.6 billion fortune.

Carter ultimately concluded that Howard's son, E. Pierce Marshall, interfered with Smith's attempts to collect her inheritance. “The evidence of willfulness, maliciousness, and fraud is overwhelming,” Carter wrote in his 54-page opinion.[9] Upon finding that Smith had a reasonable expectation that she would receive a portion of her husband's estate without interference, Carter held that Smith was entitled to collect $44.3 million in punitive damages and $44.3 million in compensatory damages against Pierce Marshall.[10]

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals vacated Carter's order on the grounds that he lacked jurisdiction to hear the case because federal jurisdiction interfered with Texas probate court proceedings.[11] The Supreme Court of the United States reversed the Ninth Circuit, concluding in a unanimous opinion that Carter properly exercised jurisdiction over Smith's claim and remanded the case for further proceedings.[12] With this jurisdictional issue resolved, the case is currently pending before the Ninth Circuit on substantive issues.

[edit] Aryan Brotherhood Trials (United States v. Mills, et al.)

Carter has been heavily involved in the proceedings arising from the 2002 indictment on racketeering charges of forty alleged members of the Aryan Brotherhood (“AB”), a notorious prison gang.[13] This indictment alleges that the AB ordered thirty-two murders over a twenty-three year period and charges forty-one AB gang members and associates with violations of the federal RICO Act.[14] Twenty-six defendants were eligible for the death penalty, making this the largest capital indictment in federal history.[15]

Twenty of the defendants charged in the indictment were assigned to Carter, including two of the three commissioners of the AB's federal faction, Barry “The Baron” Mills and Tyler “The Hulk” Bingham. Following a six-month trial, a jury convicted both Mills and Bingham of committing Violent Crimes in Aid of Racketeering (VICAR) and murder. The jury deadlocked on the death penalty,[16] and both have been sentenced and are now serving life terms at ADX Florence, the federal system's sole supermax facility.

The trials of several remaining defendants are currently ongoing before Carter and other judges in the Central District of California.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_O._Carter

The DOJ is on our dime and protecting We The People is their job. If they have information that they know makes BHO not eligible to hold the office of POTUS, they should file charges against him themselves and become instrumental in his prosecution.

Yea, but since the coup we try not to use the word “change”, it symbolizes the attempted Communist take over of our America. Change we don't want nor need!

Are you a moron, or just stupid. A coup. It was a democratic election, where John McCain claimed defeat. Or, did you just crawl out of some hole.

Out of all the stupid things that birthers have said you comment is just asinine.

A coup is a “sudden, violent and illegal seizure of power from a government.” We know that you aren't using it in the context of a “successfully achieving something difficult,” since it would contradict you position.

Please, learn the correct uses of words before you make yourself look intellectually incompetent.

Wow. AXJ is being misleading again. We all know that AXJ and WND are competing to see who can come out the best distortion of the facts, thus attracting the most birthers.

We should give them credit for providing a short biography about Judge Carter. However, AXJ and other birthers must accept that by crossing their fingers Judge Carter will not rule in Orly Taitz's clients' favour.

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

AXJ you people are apparently under the delusional impression that this entire country is on pins and needles waiting for this “Most important decision even made in this country”. Duh… If that were the case it would be something that was MSM headline news every single day. Yet… the only thing that even makes the news are the slap downs and they are usually found on the entertainment pages or off in some little remote blurb. Why is that? Because this is no more MSM news than the exploits of Hollywood’s elite! Hell, Janet Jackson’s boob got more media attention when her costume malfunctioned than all this Birther nonsense put together.

And if you want to know the truth about what Judge Carter is really trying to decide, its what to do with this bat shit crazy nut case Orly Taitz who continues to make a mockery of the legal system by showing up in court making an ass of herself with nothing but hearsay and forgeries.

You watch, he is going to take action alright, but it won’t be against Obama, it will be against Taitz and hopefully put an end to her ever showing up in another courtroom and wasting public resources with her circus side show, slander, treason, and constant ethics violations again!

As I said to RedGraham, I will be saying to you. It seems that you have been watching to much television. There was no mention of the DOJ in my comments. However, just like a lunatic fringe that birthers are, your comment doesn't surprise me.

No wonder Orly Taitz is passionately pursuing these frivolous law suits. With no substance to the case, it cause birthers fabricate the facts just to hold on their “Alice in Wonderland” disillusions.

Anteni, thse people are clearly living in a parallel universe where up is down and hot is cold. Maybe the planet Bizarro. The Captain has a laundry list of grievances which no president could accomplish in 8 years (stop taking out kids tonsils? okaaaay) but BO is supposed to have accomplished them in a few months. And THIS senilemagicman thinks there was a coup. The most far right denizens of our political scene have never proposed that delusion.

Typical with these, um, eccentrics when the authorities finally show up because of neighbors' complaints, among the jaw-dropping stuff discovered will be these postings we've been subjected to, written in a small hand, all over the walls…

Capnsteve has plenty of things to say, he just doesn't have enough brain cells to put them into words.

The closer the birfers get to yet another courtroom smackdown, more desperate and delusional they become.

Orly, why do you keep posting this? You really should be focused on scrounging up the $10,000 pay of that sanction that Judge Land smacked you with a few weeks ago. I bet that if you pay it off early, he'll throw in some free tinfoil and a new drool bucket. If you REALLY suck up to him, he'll probably toss in a bottle of peroxide as well. Even though he's a conservative Republican, Judge Land has only the highest respect for the mentally ill.

The above message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Updated with the latest new lies!

Obama, show your birth certificate!

Should we trust Obama and his online short-form B/C when he has hidden all his other documentation and long-form B/C, and lied about everything else? Here's a few of his lies.

He said:

He was a moderate and would govern from the center.

No new taxes on anyone making less than $250K.

Cap-N-Trade would on cost the amount of a postage stamp per day.

No more Washington as usual.

He said he wrote his own books. Bill Ayres wrote “Dreams.”

No earmarks.

No lobbyists in Cabinet.

He would keep track of the bailout money.

No free health-care for illegals.

No government funding for abortion.

Health-care debate to be broadcast on C-Span.

No programs enacted without having the funding (Pay-Go).

All new bills to be available for public review.

Didn't want to run car company.

Doctors remove kids tonsils just to make more money.

Enact policies to make world safer.

He would not desert Israel.

He would get out of Iraq.

He would close Gitmo.

He would do whatever it took to win in Afghanistan.

He would get Bin Laden.

He said he barely knew William Ayers the domestic terrorist and pentagon bomber.

He said he wouldn’t prosecute the CIA agents re detainee treatment.

He would keep a balanced budget.

No deficit spending.

He would be bi-partisan.

Didn’t really know much about ACORN.

Wouldn't allow government funds to pay for abortions.

Would stop illegal immigration.

His Uncle helped liberate the Auschwitz concentration camp at end of WWII.

No government takeover of health-care.

He would represent ALL Americans.

He also said he was born in Hawaii. Hmmm

Thanks, but I think it’s time to see the LONG-FORM birth certificate, and other records!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

“Updated with the latest new lies!”

At long last you've decided to be hones about the pointless spam BS you post! This is good, Orly, because the first step is to admit that you have a problem, and you've done that. The next step is to admit that all the peroxide you've been using to dye your hair is threatening to kill your last three brain cells.

Not that I'm rushing you or anything…take as much time as you need. The complaint for your next frivolous lawsuit will still be here, right next to your “law degree” and your “bar license.”

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

Hey AXJ(smokes)ROCKS, no matter how many times you spam the board with birfer nonsense, you'll never win a case without evidence. Since Orly didn't learn that when she went to “law school,” I though that you might wanna pass that little tidbit of info along to her. You don't have to thank me; the constant humiliation of the birfer movement is thanks enough.

Compared to Judge Land, Judge Carter sure took his time in giving Orally a chance to prove what she thinks is her case with what she thinks is evidence. It's almost like he was setting her up for complete and total embarrassment once he publishes his decision next week…

Nah, he'd never do that.

Umm, yep I think he will. Her behavior has not only been unethical, it’s been criminal. Slandering judges and calling for the violent overthrow of not only Obama, but also everyone that has sent her and her and insane accusations packing. She’s swimming in really deep shit now! I must say it is going to be fun to watch! He's gonna tear her ass up like a piece of new ground! (heeheehee)

Captainsteve has been pasting the exact same comment on any comment that disputes his position. It seems to be more of a child version of Orly Taitz, than anything.

The conclusion that has to be made is that you have nothing to say in relation to the comments made. As an adult you would realize that the statement “message is paid by” would be done by the original author or included into the original text. Your behavior is boarding on being childish.

It seems that CaptainSteve has nothing to say. There are two comments that they use over and over. One they post as a reply to any comment that they disagree with, without attempting to discuss the comments made. The second is a long list of deceptions and disillusions. Both comments have absolutely no originality, or honesty associated with them.

The long one includes the text “Obama, show your birth certificate.” Is such a ridiculous statement as it is either a deception, ignorance, or an out right lie. Obama is the only president that has made his birth certificate available for the public to view.

MISS TICKLY (AKA TERRIK) STILL AFTER JANICE S. OKUBO

From: MissTickly (aka TerriK): “WordPress.com”
To: axj@email.com
CC:
Subject: [MissTickly (aka TerriK): 'Question 'O'thority.'] New Comment On: Rejected? (See Update)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:38:13 +0000

There is a new comment on the post “Rejected? (See Update)”.

http://misstickly.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/reje…

Author: it
Comment:
My Request of Records:

From:
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009
To: Okubo, Janice S.
Subject: RE: UIPA Request #1 From

Please understand my request in that I am not requesting any actual
birth record.

I requested a copy of the record (or records) which contributed to
the decision of the Hawaii Department of Health (hereinafter DoH) to
have indicated that President Obama’s birth had been filed by the
DoH registrar on August 8, 1961.

I am requesting records of how the doh came to the decision obama
was born on Aug 8, 1961. I am requesting only these records pursuant
to UIPA.

Your statements:

Dr. Fukino, Director of the Department of Health on Oct. 31, 2008:

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i,
along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory
authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have
personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of
Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in
accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Dr. Fukino, Director of the Department of Health on July 27, 2009:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of
Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by
the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein
Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I
have nothing further to add to this statement or my original
statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Very Truly Yours,

Aloha ( )

If you are not requesting copies of vital records, the department has
no records responsive to your request.

Janice Okubo

Hawaii State Department of Health

I guess I did not word it correctly. I did say I was not requesting
any actual birth record. It also seems Okubo thinks I wasn't asking
for copies of vital records. This is exacly what I was requesting. “I
am requesting records of how the doh came to the decision obama was
born on Aug 8, 1961.”

Did she tell me obama has no birth certificate amendments because
they are not considered vital records?

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The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

MISS TICKLY (AKA TERRIK) STILL AFTER JANICE S. OKUBO

From: MissTickly (aka TerriK): “WordPress.com”
To: axj@email.com
CC:
Subject: [MissTickly (aka TerriK): 'Question 'O'thority.'] New Comment On: Rejected? (See Update)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:38:13 +0000

There is a new comment on the post “Rejected? (See Update)”.

http://misstickly.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/reje…

Author: it
Comment:
My Request of Records:

From:
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009
To: Okubo, Janice S.
Subject: RE: UIPA Request #1 From

Please understand my request in that I am not requesting any actual
birth record.

I requested a copy of the record (or records) which contributed to
the decision of the Hawaii Department of Health (hereinafter DoH) to
have indicated that President Obama’s birth had been filed by the
DoH registrar on August 8, 1961.

I am requesting records of how the doh came to the decision obama
was born on Aug 8, 1961. I am requesting only these records pursuant
to UIPA.

Your statements:

Dr. Fukino, Director of the Department of Health on Oct. 31, 2008:

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i,
along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory
authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have
personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of
Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in
accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Dr. Fukino, Director of the Department of Health on July 27, 2009:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of
Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by
the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein
Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I
have nothing further to add to this statement or my original
statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Very Truly Yours,

Aloha ( )

If you are not requesting copies of vital records, the department has
no records responsive to your request.

Janice Okubo

Hawaii State Department of Health

I guess I did not word it correctly. I did say I was not requesting
any actual birth record. It also seems Okubo thinks I wasn't asking
for copies of vital records. This is exacly what I was requesting. “I
am requesting records of how the doh came to the decision obama was
born on Aug 8, 1961.”

Did she tell me obama has no birth certificate amendments because
they are not considered vital records?

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Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Around and around we go. As per usual AXJ is continuing to distort the facts. It is known that AXJ and others have convinced birthers into believe things that are factually false. It is hard to determine if the latest efforts by the birthers are amusing or just disturbing. Just like Orly Taitz “clogging up courts”, they seem intent on clogging up other government agencies. And you wonder why they are considered hypocrites.

Smear??? Smear?? You are really funny. However, it is amazing that you have actually been a able to make a comment that has differed from the rest. Do you honestly believe that anyone would believe that my comment is a smear. All people have to do is read your last few comments and they will come to the same conclusion.

What is even funny is that your latest comment reconfirms the arguments presented.

To Cap'n…no. See not even a capitalized no. you are such a small and powerless individual, you don't have that kind of weight. And, soon Judge Carter will tell you no. But, he'll do it much more colorfully.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a sad yet comical attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING IN ALL CAPS WILL MAKE EVERYONE ELSE AS STUPID AS THEY ARE ? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…

Without any evidence, logic, understanding of the law, or any hope of ever winning in court, the only thing birfers can do is spam. It's funny because these people actually think they have a snowball's chance in hell of ever being taken seriously.

Somewhere in an insane asylum the truthers are watching Orly and the birthers get kicked out of every court they set foot into, and they are laughing their asses off.

He goes CaptainSteve babbling about Frequent poster. When the most frequent poster is the one … the only CaptianSteve. CaptainSteve cynicism is becoming so amazing that it isn't funny. He has made a call to action “ight-the-smears”, but insists to continue his smearing of a duly elected politician.

Well I would give CaptainSteve some credit is his is starting to use original material. Well one can hope that he would give up his disillusion and go on with his life.

It is a word for word copy of a comment previous rebutted. Actually CaptainSteve seems to be getting lazy and including one of their frequent poster.” Such hypocrisy.

Okay, Monday morning, wonder if the batshit will hit the fan today? Lets think about what possible charges Judge Carter will slap Orly with. Barratry, contempt of court, making false accusations, multiple ethics violations including accusing all the Supreme Court Justices, all the members of the House and the Senate, the Attorney General and the POTUS of treason. Then there is incitement and openly calling for the violent overthrow of the entire US government, slander, making threats of legal action against anyone that opposes her, and practicing law outside her jurisdiction, just to name a few.

She’ll probably be hit with all of the above, and then some!

a coup by any other name would smell the same.

Cap’n Crunch is a brain damaged lunatic.

You stopped making sense a LONG time ago, senile lunatic.

Let me refer to the case of Rubber v. Glue. Idiot.

But have the utter stupidity to provide a link to a fright wing blog with, like yourself, zero credibility?

Get that head wound checked out, dumbass.

Hey, If I work for Obama, where is my paycheck?

Damn. How much are you getting paid, Steve_X?

The above lunacy brought to you by your local street corner shouter.

Paid? Where's the sign-up sheet? Heck, I thought I was doing it for entertainment value, to get paid to do something you enjoy is the ultimate reward.

Notice that the blowers are no longer arguing any facts, just complaining about people who respect the constitution and laws and who think you need a whole lot more than just made-up crap to remove a sitting President. Shame they don't believe in our democracy, isn't it?

Anyone who refuses to subscribe to the Conspiracy is hereby designated as IN ON the conspiracy. With a wave of my wacky wand and a sprinkle of pixie dust, abracadabra: it is so.

I don't get paid anything, but even if they offered it to me I wouldn't accept it. Making fun of birfers is more than a fundamental right; it's a civic duty. To accept compensation for something so important would be un-American.

Read the new court RICO filing regarding obama's past identity fraud and multiple Social Security numbers. obama's corruption is coming home to roost!

http://nationalwriterssyndicate.com/content/vie…

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

31 REASONS TO IMPEACH PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (aka Barry Soetoro):
by DefendUSx October 11, 2009 23:31

From Blogsphere:

The history of the current President of the United States, Barack Obama, is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these United States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

1. He has violated his oath to defend the US Constitution by exercising powers forbidden by the Constitution.

2. He has used public money to purchase private companies.

3. He has illegally tried to use public money to create publicly owned companies.

4. He has embezzled public money allocated by Congress for rescuing distressed private financial institutions, and used it to purchase automobile manufacturing companies.

5. He has given our public money to finance foreign automobile companies.

6. He has given our public money to a foreign state to finance their state-run oil company while refusing to allow us to develop our own oil resources.

7. He has violated the principle of balance of powers by usurping Congress’ role of law maker.

8. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

9. He has ignored the laws protecting us from the insolvency of financial institutions.

10. He has demanded and implemented Tax-and-Spend laws that inevitably lead to economic collapse.

11. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by appointing a judge to the Supreme Court based not on ability to interpret the Constitution, but on radical ideology and color of skin.

12. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Czars to harass our people and eat out their substance.

13. He has violated the balance of powers by appointing Czars with far reaching powers who are accountable to no one but himself.

14. He has as a matter of patronage stolen private industries from shareholders and given them to workers’ unions.

15. He has substantially benefited his political financial supporters by giving public money to foreign industries.

16. He has arranged very large unscrupulous deals with private companies to exchange public money for his political advertising.

17. He has attempted to create a public industry, a health insurance company, that would compete with existing and similar private industries in open defiance of the consent of the people, and the letter and intent of the Constitution.

18. He has attempted to annul freedom of speech by setting up an illegal reporting system for recording the names of dissenters and by publicly attacking private citizens who oppose him.

19. He has counted illegal aliens as citizens to skew his standing with Congress.

20. He has illegally fired Inspectors General who found wrong-doing with his political crones.

21. He has attempted to insert himself into even the most personal life experience, our end of life care.

22. He has attempted to refuse to pay for medical treatment for wounded soldiers.

23. He has refused his assent to Laws of Congress, exercising false powers of veto that are contrary and insubordinate to the Constitution.

24. He has contradicted and violated the rule of law regarding bankruptcy after forcing the failure of one of our largest automakers.

25. He has appointed a Secretary of State who is ineligible for office.

26. He has attempted to force all citizens into mandatory servitude to the government.

27. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our lands, the merciless Islamo-fascist terrorists whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

28. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

29. He has combined with Communist, Socialists and Fascists to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our American character, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation.

30. He has, in collusion with an insolent and irresponsible Congress, imposed Taxes against our consent not only on us, but also on our beloved children and our grandchildren denying them any representation.

31. He has nullified parts of our Constitution, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally our Form of Government.

A President whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant is unfit to be the Chief Executive of a free people.

For footnotes and additional information regarding the origin and validity of the 31 reasons listed above, visit one or both of the following links:

http://www.amorian.org/2009/09/06/the-big-list-…

http://www.amorian.org/the-big-list/

In addition, a lot of people are wondering what it would take to impeach Barack Obama. Here is a good summary about impeachment in general from the American Bar Association website, <http://www.abanet.org/publiced/impeach2.html>

Consider the following as well:

1. H.R. 2454 is Barack Obama's “Carbon Cap-and-Trade Bill.” This bill would eliminate millions of jobs in American. For example, it would eliminate 200,000 jobs just in the state of Texas. It would give the Federal Government significant control over the Energy Industry, and impose crushing costs on consumers and businesses coast to coast. It would further increase the size of the Federal Government and “is likely to be the biggest tax increase in American history.”

Plus, and this will blow your mind…….. even the man who originated the “Cap-and-Trade” theory in the 1960's, Thomas Crocker, is adamantly opposed to the passage of H.R. 2454. Why? Because, as Thomas Crocker explains, it has no chance of working (i.e., improving the environment) unless every major industrial country on earth agrees to participate. If every country does not participate then Mr. Crocker says, “It's stupid and a complete waste of money and effort.” Many countries, including China and Russia have refused to participate.

Therefore, obviously, if any nation's President wants to go ahead and implement “Cap-and-Trade” anyway, without every other country committed to a worldwide treaty, then his intent is to knowingly harm his own nation or else, he's just stupid. I don't believe Barack Obama is stupid. I do believe he is a very misguided individual. You can decide for yourself whether or not Obama wants to pass “Cap-and-Trade” to intentionally harm America. The fact remains, “Cap-and-Trade” is so extremely risky and convoluted, that this bill alone may be enough to ruin the US economy for decades to come. The debate on this topic should be as simple as what Thomas Crocker said, “It's stupid.”

2. H.R. 3200 is Barack Obama's government controlled health care hoax. It is not about health care. H.R. 3200 is a charade, a sham and nothing more than a political left-wing power grab. This bill will destroy health care in America and further rip apart one of the precious fabrics of this Nation.

Why is it so hard for people to understand, “There is no such thing as magic?” Either, the taxpayers have to pay the bills or the Nation defaults on it's financial obligations. Today, every living person in the United States (of every age) would have to pay $349,136.00 to payoff our liabilities. So, let's do the math. How many of you and how many of your children have an extra $349,136.00 laying around to payoff your share of our liabilities?

Otherwise, there are two ways to default on our Nation's financial obligations: (1) Refuse to pay and suffer the consequences imposed on us by other Nations around the world, or (2) Default by “devaluation of the US dollar.” This means printing more and more money, until we intentionally devalue our own currency to the point where everyone loses; the people we owe money to lose, as well as our own citizens who are left holding currency which is worth next to nothing. In either default scenario everyone loses, except a very few “insiders in the know” who invest appropriately and get out of our currency far ahead of time.

H.R. 3200 is ridiculously unaffordable! It's unaffordable, unless you significantly reduce the quality of health care, plus taxpayers pay hundreds of billions of dollars more in taxes for poor government administration, poor care, and also, for coverage for those who don't want health insurance, don't need health insurance or can't afford better health coverage. Including, 33 million illegal aliens, and many more illegal's to come.

Lastly, how are the American people going to respond when the Federal Government starts closing thousands of nursing homes across America because we simply can't afford to keep them open? And too, where are the millions of elderly people currently in those nursing homes going to go when their nursing homes are closed?

3. Senate Bill 560 and H.R. 1409 are Barack Obama's gift to labor unions. These two bills give away worker's rights and employer's rights to labor unions on a “Sliver Platter.” The EFCA should be titled the “Employees Forked by Congress Act.”

Listen very carefully…… there are no citizens anywhere in America asking for this legislation! The only voice in America asking for this legislation is the special interest group know as labor unions (i.e., UAW, SEIU, etc.) Nothing is broken within the National Labor Relation Act and nothing needs to be fixed. Labor laws are already tipped far to unfairly in favor of labor unions. Even to the extent that today it is perfectly legal for unions to blatantly lie to workers during organizing. Maybe there was some justification for allowing unions to lie to workers in 1934, but in today's world it seems unconscionable that our US Government should somehow endorse lying. If the labor law playing field is adjusted at all it should be adjusted more in favor of truth, honesty, integrity and fair play, which is exactly the opposite of what these two bills propose. The supporters of this legislation should be ashamed for even being associated with something as devious and unethical as these two bills.

S.B. 560 and H.R. 1409 are deceitful, unconstitutional and nothing more than an “under the table” trade between Barack Obama and Big Labor Unions.

These two bills add no value to anything, anywhere, except to increase the size of Labor Union's bank accounts; and unnecessarily increase the authority of the Federal Government. This legislation harms workers, harms businesses, harms the economy and harms America! At the same time, the legislation makes the Federal Government larger, more expensive and more wasteful. Too, it makes Labor Unions billions of dollars richer, much larger and much more powerful, without unions producing anything or adding value anywhere.

This legislation will do the very same thing to the entire Nation that the UAW did to General Motors over the last 50 years. In 1999 General Motors stock was trading at $95.20 per share. On March 5, 2009, General Motors stock was trading at $1.97 per share. Two months ago GM was in bankruptcy. Today, thanks to more than $80,000,000,000 from the American taxpayer, GM is out of bankruptcy and offering totally insane incentives to try and make a go of it.

This legislation is anti-employee, anti-business, anti-cooperation, anti-growth and rips at the heart of Freedom in America! At a time when our tax base in the United States should be a major concern for every single individual living in this country, S.B. 560 and H.R. 1409 will drive more jobs overseas and further rip apart one of the basic fabrics of this Nation……. the work place.

4. H.R. 45 is the “Blair Holt's Firearm Act of 2009.” Barack Obama, Eric Holder, new Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor and many others in the Administration are aggressive proponents of substantially increased gun control. This has been proven around the world time and again, to be absolutely the wrong thing to do.

5. Senate Bill 773 is the “Cybersecurity Act of 2009.” Don't think for one second that this Administration does not want to control the Internet, as well as every other aspect of your life.

6. The “Fairness Doctrine” is the Administrations avenue to shut down talk radio. The “Fairness Doctrine” was repealed by Congress in 1985, but a month does not pass that some Democrat or someone in the Administration doesn't talk about the need to re-institute the “Fairness Doctrine.” The dishonestly named “Fairness Doctrine” is something which is horribly bad for America.

7. The US National Debt tonight is $11.9 trillion dollars. The US Unfunded Liability (i.e., Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) is $107.4 trillion dollars. The Federal Government intends to borrow an additional $1.5 trillion dollars in 2010. The interest payment alone on our National Debt last year exceeded $450 billion dollars. The United States is collapsing into bankruptcy faster than you can say, “Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin lives in the White House.”

8. No one can see the end to the reckless over spending and excessive Government borrowing! Congress has long been out of control with regard to excessive spending. However, this Administration is now spending money four times faster than ever before, with no end in sight and no plan for recovery. The White House and many in Congress act as though: (1) Either, money is free, or (2) They've accepted that financial doomsday is coming soon and they're fine with that prospect.

Look up “C O R R U P T E D” you will see a small photo of the )o(.

Cap'n Crunch is a true, hardcore birfoon with WAY too much spare time and not a lick of common sense. Off to the FEMA camps!

For the last eighteen months. What a loser.

Kinda like Obot logic?

David's got you worried doesn't he?

I especially enjoy the irony of impeach charge #27, in which you wish to impeach the President for “exciting” YOU to insurrection: I think that concept pretty much closes the loop on your particular brand of mental pathology.
If you go over the line in your seditious talk here, maybe you can have your defense attorney try #27 out for you:
“The President made me do it!”
wow

Personally I'm a big fan of #28, which alleges that the president has been “fatiguing” members of Congress. Woe be unto the man that runs afoul of the all-important “Congressional Naptime” clause of the Constitution. Even better is the nonsense about doing things to make Congress “uncomfortable.” Maybe the House should file a complaint with their human resources guy.

There's also #30, which accuses the president of “nullifying” parts of the Constitution. I know that it must not be the 4th and 8th Amendments because Bush had already nullified those when he was in office.

At least “capnsteve” updated his WND talking points. Now I have even MORE birfer nonsense to ridicule!

Factual information about Barack Hussein Obama never having been vetted and facts showing he is ineligible to hold the office of POTUS due to the facts that his father was never an American Citizen and the little )o( was born a British Citizen due to the British Nationality Act of 1948.

Paid Obots that hit all American blog sites with Obot propaganda and lies about any facts that bring out the truth about their Communist God.

Spam links to fightthequeers and blackcheck that post fake COLBs, false old news paper classified ads, and Obot propaganda.

Delusional paranoid nonsense about citizen being the same thing as being a Natural Born American Citizen.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how stupid Americans are, while completely ignoring the fact that no Obot has ever presented any valid evidence of any Birth Certificate they claim is hidden and locked away under heavy armed guard in Hawaii and hoping that no one notices?

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law?

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

Obots know their Communist God has feet of clay and will soon fall.

Nothing more to see here folks. Write your Congressmen and Senators and scream we have been scammed. Throw the Kenyan Brit Out Of Our White House!

“Oldman you ignorant slut”…dual citizenship has no effect on american citizenship.

Past that, just the usual rantings of a delusional blower. Really, if you have some evidence, please provide it so we can test it's veracity. Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air, as per your blower nickname, until the Judges get around to giving you another couple of beatdowns.

“you lie” No “birth certificate” has ever been released to anyone!

They can't stone wall us forever! Keep up the good work.

You must think she is as HOT as I do. She's got under your skin hasn't she?

Why Stevie? The facts speak for themselves. Just keep on posting the same comments. Your fellow birthers will thing you are a God, and everyone else will thing you are being juvenile.

I don't imagine the Cap'n will remember many of these “points” when the meds even out and he's come down off the roller coaster…only time'll tell.

I'm assuming you're talking about Orly, oldcrazyman—-and that's why I just threw up a little into the back of my mouth…

OK, now I KNOW you're on the other side of the looking glass, oldmagicman; follow the white rabbit.

Oops. I guess that remark about “blackcheck” just sorta slipped out huh, oldhatin'man?
Aren't you Birfers fond of chanting the mantra that WE are playing the race card?
Try stuffin' that genie back in the bottle.

Except the BC from Kenya which appears more authentic than that image of a Hawaiian COLB.

BWAHAHAHAHA…I love it when you blowers prove your stupidity and bias. You take a KNOWN forgery and accept it over the word of multiple Hawaii officials!!! “RED, you ignorant slut”…thanks to SNL for that one.

There goes CaptainSteve again. When people clearly shows he is a hypocrite is continues uses the same statement, and continues to practice the same behavior that has makes him a hypocrite. He will claim that this comment is a smear against him, when he continues to smear the name of an elected official by making things up.

Yes, CaptianSteve your comments are part of a smear campaign. Unfortunately, for you very few people will believe you.

It is hard to determine if Steve will engage in “The above … is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team” behavior again.

Have you ever wondered why CaptainSteve uses long comments. They seem more like they are cut and paste than an honest opinion. Anyways, it obvious that his disillusions goes further than refuses to read a birth certificate.

The above smear is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above smear is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Obama, show your birth certificate!

Should we trust Obama and his online short-form B/C when he has hidden all his other documentation and long-form B/C, and lied about everything else? Here's a few of his lies.

He said:

He was a moderate and would govern from the center.

No new taxes on anyone making less than $250K.

Cap-N-Trade would on cost the amount of a postage stamp per day.

No more Washington as usual.

He said he wrote his own books. Bill Ayres wrote “Dreams.”

No earmarks.

Never used an alias name.

No lobbyists in Cabinet.

He would keep track of the bailout money.

No free health-care for illegals.

No government funding for abortion.

Health-care debate to be broadcast on C-Span.

No programs enacted without having the funding (Pay-Go).

All new bills to be available for public review.

Didn't want to run car company.

Doctors remove kids tonsils just to make more money.

Enact policies to make world safer.

He would not desert Israel.

He would get out of Iraq.

He would close Gitmo.

He would do whatever it took to win in Afghanistan.

He would get Bin Laden.

He said he barely knew William Ayers the domestic terrorist and pentagon bomber.

He said he wouldn’t prosecute the CIA agents re detainee treatment.

He would keep a balanced budget.

No deficit spending.

He would be bi-partisan.

Didn’t really know much about ACORN.

Wouldn't allow government funds to pay for abortions.

Would stop illegal immigration.

His Uncle helped liberate the Auschwitz concentration camp at end of WWII.

No government takeover of health-care.

He would represent ALL Americans.

He also said he was born in Hawaii. Hmmm

Thanks, but I think it’s time to see the LONG-FORM birth certificate, and other records!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

As proof positive, Steve has no desire to dispute claims. He didn't even take the time to read the full comment, specifically the last few words. It wasn't a long comment either.

CaptianSteve is engaging in the same behavior that as birthers. It is known that birthers are people who refuse to acknowledge the genuineness of an authenticated birth certificate. The make things up which is disjoint from reality. Refuses to look at the facts, or produce a creditable argument.

They even believe that in the context that “authentic” is used that it and “genuine” have different meaning. Someone should give them a dictionary and a thesaurus.

Well we will have to wait and see if Steve engages in “The above … is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team” behavior once more. Maybe he will take time to read the comments this time.

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

The above smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Obama is a liar. I’ll believe his new promises AFTER he keep some old promises.
Watch this video about his past health-care promises. You’ll see obama lie like a dog in his very own words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JKDTBOYKg

JUST SAY NO TO obamaCARE!!!

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released — over $1,000,000 spent to conceal — birth certificate — $15.
Certification of Live Birth — Released – probable counterfeit
Admitted British/Kenyan citizenship at birth — Admitted
Hospital of birth — Three hospitals have some claim — 2 in Hawaii 1 in Kenya
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Not released by Obama — released by independent investigators
Kindergarten records – “lost”
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — not released by Obama — released by independent investigators
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce – concealed by Obama — released by independent investigators
Selective Service Registration — Released – and proven counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released — investigation witness shot dead
Columbia University records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” – Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — “Lost”
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

according to an AOL poll, 85% of all Americans believe that Obama's birth certificate needs to be produced.

Steve_X

I applaud your efforts, but——- you do realize that reasoning with Birfers is akin to teaching ferrets to yodel ?

Why I'm not a stupid lefty-loser-libtard cult of Obummer scumbag..

If a conservative doesn’t like guns, they don’t buy one. If a liberal doesn’t like guns, then no one should have one.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don’t eat meat. If a liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life. If a liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.

If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A liberal wants all churches to be silenced.

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.

Well in some time in the future this will be all over. See, the issue that many are concerned with birthers is that they have no argument. However, as time continues birthers reveal that one of the main issues is not about the validity of an authenticated birth certificate but all political. Yes, birthers would make a bad poker play. Just read the comments from the captiansteve below, and you will see the truth.

Twice already I suggested that he would use the comment “The above … is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team” and twice he has.

It is good that some birthers are revealing what the issues that they believe that they are instead of engaging in illogical arguments.

To birthers all the best in your disillusions. Conservatives and the Republicans should stop pandering to you, since they would be better off with out your disillusions.

The above smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

For the record, why do you think people should engage in “illogical” arguments? Are you a moron? Answer, yes!

There are two kinds of obummer supporters, well intentioned but ignorant, or knowledgeable but low-life scum.

Only a disgusting vile scum of a person would even suggest that there is anything wrong with wanting to confirm the legality any president, especially one surrounded by so much uncertainty.

Well, there's only one kind of blower supporter, dumb and white. Past that, I have to admit they are entertaining in their total devotion of following Orly around like a love-sick mutt. No matter how bad of a lawyer she's proven to be.

There is no such thing as an “obummer support.” However, there are people who like to observe the facts and make their own independent conclusion, based on the facts. This is something that requires a person to do research.

What is research? This is when someone independently actually looks that the information being presented. Any information that that individual is concerned about they do additional research to determine the validity of the statements being made.

Validity of the statements? Yes. This is done by reading the full text based on the arguments presented. The omission of text or another fact that support or contradicts an argument presented must be also considered.

It is important to understand conjecture is not a fact, it is just what a person believes based on the facts. However, all facts must be considered or the position presented is weakened.

The concern that those who rebut birthers have is the birthers refusal to accept anything that supports the opposing view.

It is impossible to believe that the presidents birth certificate is any but genuine. Yes, it is possible to believe that it may not be, but this is absurd. The reason for this is several reason. The most obvious is that if their is any fake information then that in itself is a crime. With the requirement for the president to be a 'natural born' citizen, it is obvious that the authenticity of the birth certificate would be validated.

To verify the validity of a birth certificate is not a complicated procedure. All is required is to contact the registrars office that the birth certificate is store, and to verify that the information is correct. For a person to have a government issued document destroyed or damaged is not unusual. Flood, earth quakes, fires and other disasters do happen. Also, time does damage various documents.

Others reason exist for how absurd it is to question the authenticity of the president's birth certificate. The current governor of California has been suggest as a person to run for the office of president. This was quickly dismissed because it is know that he emigrated to America. However, Obama was considered a presidential hopeful as early as 2004. There was no such quick dismissal of his presidential potential other than it wouldn't be in 2008 or 2012.

Another reason is that in 2007 when the president announce his candidacy it is easy to believe that where he was constitutionally eligible would have risen then and would have been investigated. Also, it would have been investigated in the 2008 primary season. Any investigative reporter or lawyer would have looked at the issue if their were any real concerns. Yes, Obama's eligibility was risen during the primary season, but this was done more to sway voters away from the presidential candidate.

With additional information rising, independent authentication, and government officials verification only strengthen the validity of the document.

A birther certificate is not a complicated documents. It gives detailed information about a person births. If it indicates that someone was born in a specific place, that is where they where born. It is that simple.

There is no uncertainty with the validity of Obama's birth certificate. There is misinformation being spread. There is some form of wishful thinking, but we generally refer to that as being disillusioned. There is plain laziness and not have the desire to verify the facts for oneself (this is the reason that the document is on the Internet). Finally, their is mistrust or paranoia. The are harsher and more genuine words that can be used to describe the latter, but this wouldn't solve anything.

In final. There is more that can be written to directly address is misinformation and the contempt relating to birthers. What makes this amusing is that arguments supporting a simple two sided document is more extensive than the overt misinformation being spread.

If you still doubt the authenticity of the birth certificate or the constitutional eligibility, do the research.

PS. Yes the legality of the president has been confirmed. That occurred when he was sworn into office. This was the same that was done for every president before him.

I support the second group, since they know the facts which birthers can't dispute.

You are racist scum.

Obambie is a usurper.

Because of his British father, and dual citizenship, Obama was not, is not, and never will be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. His birthplace is meaningless when it comes to his eligibility.

Patriots, never stop declaring the truth.

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Does Dingle Barry act guilty?

When a car is pulled over by a cop. A normal honest person pulls over and shows their license. Simple.

The criminal will engage in all manner of tricks and evasions to to keep the truth from being known. The more energetic the evasion, the more serious the likely crime.

It's pretty obvious which behavior obummer has chosen. He's GUILTY!!!

“Simple”.
Show me by what authority you or Orly can pull over ANYONE and ask for their proof of citizenship?
Your little illustration only serves to remind how important it is in a democracy that the Orlys & Captainstevies of the world are prevented from acting out their pathologies under the color of ANY authority.

No it proves you and your messiah are scum.

Anteni, You are right, research is important, that is all we are really trying to do but ALL the doors have been locked and guarded before we ever got to them. He has never been vetted, if he has PLEASE! list who or what group has admitted to doing this said vetting and at what date was it performed and what document is prof that the vetting took place. A photoshoped COLB is all ANYONE has seen and that has no official standing whether it is real or fake.
Do you disagree with the statements that back in 1961 when Hawaii was a new state and it's citizens rowed around in dugout canoes from one little island to the next that a parent or grandparent could register a new born child as a Hawaiian Citizen just by word of mouth with no substantiating facts? This is pivotal in this discussion. Either “you” believe the truth or you are basing your assumptions on false information. This is how business was conducted back in 1961 in a new state that was far removed from the mainland and very backward from how things were handled stateside. Don't you want to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? If it was in your power to make a lie remain hidden in order to keep this man in office would you sanction this lie?
All we are looking for is the truth. If the truth was that Barack Hussein Obama was not a Natural Born American Citizen any you and only you had that prof, would you release it?

Oh, don't worry about me trying to reason with the birfers. For that to happen, birfers would have to brains. I just figured that since the birfers have given up the pretense of even trying to make sense (hence the constant spamming of WND talking points), I'd stop trying to teach them about things like the evidence, burdens of proof and production, etc.

The Ofraud’s supporters love to trot out newspaper ads as proof. We’ll here’s an article from Nairobi Kenya’s newspaper about Obummer’s Kenyan birth. This was in 2004 before Bill Ayers and his radical left buddies began re-engineering him and scrubbing the internet for evidence of his true background.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

STFU, idiot. You have nothing but the porn stashed in your mom's basement.

18 MONTHS! Get a job, you worthless freak!

HOPE for you to MOVE OUT OF MOM'S BASEMENT AFTER 18 MONTHS AND GET A JOB, YOU WORTHLESS FREAK.

Did you run out of weed again, unemployed idiot?

Red,

That is so sad. You'll never know why.

You are James Von Brunn.

AP News item. Barry was born in Kenya.

Here’s an article from Nairobi Kenya’s newspaper, the East African Standard, about Obummer’s Kenyan birth. This was in 2004 before Bill Ayers and his radical left buddies began re-engineering him and scrubbing the internet for evidence of his true background. The Ofraud’s supporters love to trot out newspaper ads as proof. Here’s the real deal. AP News verified!

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

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No you STFU racist pervert dumba$$.

Party is over for OBAMA.

Obama Born In Kenya According To 2004 News Article

Apparently OBAMA supporters now have a lot of explaining to do to Judge Carter, Orly Taitz ( which is presenting it to him as we write ), and the rest of the AMERICAN PEOPLE:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2827

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Sunday, June 27, 2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

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Barrack Obama

“It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race,” Ryan, 44, said in a statement. “What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play.”

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was “truly outrageous” that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

“I feel for him actually,” Obama told a Chicago TV station. “What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody.”

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

“Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state,” she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, “There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere.”

—AP

The last 5 years have not been good for that boy, he aged 20 by the look of that photo! Greed and the lust for power will make you age before your time. Let's let Kenya have him back.

Well the Obots can stick that in their pipes and smoke it! By By Barry!

Notice how quite the obots are right now? They're all scrambling to get their marching orders! haha

it figures that selling ones soul to the devil would have a high price.

Damn cap they probably need a nap, they have been beating on us 24-7 for a week. Sometimes the only good thing about losing a game is you finally get to relax. But winning is always sweeter. I wonder if Barry needs a ticket to Kenya? We could always ask for paypal quarters to help him out. ICE may be after him now, but I don't know how they get the bus to float all the way to Kenya. You take care now, you hear!

I am sorry, but you just don't understand my comment.

Everything that was mentioned as being incorrect behavior you continue to engage in.

You claim to agree that research is important. Unfortunately, the only person that you are deceiving is yourself and pandering to your fellow birthers.

You have absolutely no proof for any of your claims. This is the most important aspect of research.

You refuse to accept the fact that the birth certificate has been authenticated, government officials.

What you are engaging in is just conjecture. However, what makes your problem worse is that instead of following the facts you dismiss them. Then you attempt to excuse any facts that disputes your position.

When research is done. You must accept all information and only dismiss information that is contracted by something that is irrefutable. The only option that is available is the requirement to keep both information until additional information is available to support either position.

What you and other birthers are engaging is disregarding any information that disagree with your position. This is wrong. Absolutely totally wrong, and can be considered to be dishonest.

Anteni, How about this fact;

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Read the headline S L O W L Y

The AP article, seems to contain an error which was published by a news paper in Kenya called the Standard on “The Sunday Standard | Online Edition”.

The article present the perception that Obama being not born in America was commonly known in 2004, as the article was written on Sunday, June 27, 2004.

Here is a major problem that this article presents for birthers. If Obama was know as having been born in Kenya then it would also be common knowledge in America. During the 2004 Democratic convention the speech Obama gave impressed many and made them consider him a future presidential candidate. If he was a Kenyan immigrant then this would have been dismissed as easily.

Additionally, if Obama was a Kenyan immigrant there would be supporting information.

An newspaper with a factual error is nothing new. The article doesn't explicated state that the president was born in Kenya. Unless something that can refute common-knowlegde and a Hawaii birther certificate, the text before Obama's name will have to be ignored as a error. However, the original AP article would add more support to either side. If the text is missing from the original article then “Kenyan born” will have to be dismissed as an error.

Unfortunately, I have already have written why this will have to be dismissed as an error. The error is something that will have to be referred to as “common knowledge”.

They make a big online splash, but they have never been “winning.” They know in their hearts their wrong about Barry and the truth will get out. Just like crooks, criminals and cheats, they can't ever relax for fear of being caught.

The truth about the Usurper-in-Chief for the lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan Chicago thug is about to get out.

Supporting information? haha No wonder he's hiding it with every thug he can hire.

Good people should want the the truth. . .nothing more. . .or less.

Sure you believe that because Judge Carter is not biting and he is the guy that will let this go to trial and let the American People decide. As it should be.

Anteni your stretching this to the breaking point, The headline states the facts and then the first sentence again states the same fact. Anteni come on out of the closet, You are a Jr. paid Obot and you are just defending your position and don't believe a word you type. If you are a reasonably intelligent person as you appear to be, you could not believe this mile long string of lies you try to support. Give it up the string broke!

Anteni Dear, just answer my simple questions above. We want to get to know the real you. Don't be afraid of the truth! Let yourself be free.

Does Dingle Barry act guilty?

If a driver happens upon a DWI road-stop, a normal honest sober person says sure and shows their license. Very simple. Issue over. But not Barry, he would get twenty attorneys, claim some manner of special privacy privilege, and resist every effort to get him to comply. Why would anybody fight so hard to hide the truth?

Criminals engage in all manner of tricks and evasions to keep the truth from being known. Generally, the more dramatic and energetic the evasion, the more serious the likely crime.

It's pretty obvious which behavior obummer has chosen. He's GUILTY!!!

Had to change the set up of your illustration since I smacked down your last one so hard, huh Cap'n?

“The headline states the facts” LOL
That's your argument?
case closed, Obama is Kenyan.
Even for you this is beneath laughable
send Orly a printout, THAT should cinch her case
jeez

More evidence of Dingle Barry's Kenyan birth.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

U know cap'n when a man has more foreign supporters than he has American you got to wonder just who's side he is on! Seems a lot of these backwoods 3rd world countries know more about this man than we are “allowed” to know. Strangest thing I have ever seen in our America.

Where did all the Obots go?

More evidence of Dingle Barry's Kenyan birth.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/4112008/411…

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Two more papers have been found stating he was Kenyan Born. Use your search engine and see if you can't find a few more. Let's make this a contest. The one with the most Kenyan Born sites can go have a beer with the exPrez. before he is incarcerated. Better hurry!

More proof of a coordinated Obama citizenship/background cover-up, and the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper is part of it.

For days I’ve been posting the following news article where Tammy Duckworth, who claimed to know Obama well (and now on the payroll), says Obama was born in Indonesia.

The article states (14th paragraph),

“Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively.”

The original article and quote can be seen here.

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Duck…

But in the last day or so (Oct 16,2009) the Honolulu Advertiser scrubbed it clean. That quote has been removed. They sanitized article. The new sanitized cover-up version can be seen here.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

How is it that our “history” can be so easily re-written? I remember when we used to criticize the USSR for re-writing their history to suit their political desires. We are doing it in America NOW!!

People need to be screaming bloody murder. Write to everybody you know. Let them know we're not going to take this anymore!

Well Cap'n—history shows us that it's not so much the wrong-doing so much as the cover-up which gets the Nixons and Ollie Norths of our world in trouble—you should aspire to be the new-model intrepid gumshoe in search of Deepthroat. If you are going to expose the Evil Usurper's cover-up, however, you're gonna need better sources than the wingnuttery that you are currently tapping. Seems as though bigbad BO is “scrubbing” your material as fast as you can Google it. Maybe you should consider that, if it is that easy to “scrub” then it probably doesn't amount to much in the way of legitimate evidence…oh well, just tryin' to be helpful and encouraging…

chris, that's why they have DVD burners and safe deposit boxes.

Keyes Barnett transcript now available:

http://bit.ly/3Aq05z

It is the exact same article. However, what you and other birthers fail to grasp is one simple fact. The article suggest this at the being of the article, but the article is about a disgraced politician named Jack Ryan.

You birthers just read the first paragraph and instantly assumed that you had solid facts. However, newspapers have had to retract stories or apologize that they made mistakes.

One newspaper article in over 5 years with the words “Kenyan born” doesn't support your position. However, you fail to grasp this simple concept.

Also, you fail to grasp another concept. There are multiple copies of this article on the internet, but they are all copies of one single article over 5 years ago. Just as saying he was not born in Hawaii multiple times doesn't change the fact that he was. Copying the same erroneous article multiple times does change that error into a fact.

What strange movies do you have in your safe deposit boxes.

See the problem that birthers continue to get into is that they have to keep changing their story to support their disillusion.

They have gone from Kenya to Indonesia. Weren't birthers trotting that they had found proof of a Kenyan birth. It was even proof, but a erroneous suggestion.

What people like CaptainSteve that newspaper occasionally make errors and later correct then.

From the article about Illinois Army National Guard Maj. L. Tammy Duckworth on Sunday, January 8, 2006 from the Honolulu Advertiser that has been provided by CaptainSteve.

“CORRECTION: A correction on this story was published on Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. A Page One story last Sunday contained incorrect information about his birthplace.”

This is a newspaper in Honolulu, which would have had verified the error before publishing it.

So now birthers want us to believe that because a newspaper prints a correct that it is a sign of a cover-up. Thankfully, newspaper actually do research. If they used birther logic we will be all confused by have newspapers tell completely different stories for one news event.

CaptianSteve reading is not one of your strong suits is it. The first sentence contains an error. If you read the full article you would have noticed that there is no supporting statements that Obama was born in Kenya. Also, the last three paragraphs expose the error. Let us concise the article for you.

“Kampala — Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan born-senator, Barack Obama for the US presidency.

…

Obama's father, Barack Obama Snr, won a scholarship to study in Hawaii, where he met Barack's mother, a student from Kansas city in US. The pair separated when their son was only two years old.

Mr Obama Snr continued to Harvard for a Masters, and then returned to Kenya to become a government economist before his death in a car accident in 1982.

Barack Obama's father married three times, and the Senator is understood to have his grandmother, three uncles, three aunts and several distant cousins still living in Kenya, the UK Telegraph reported.”

What does the second and third last paragraph suggest? That they meet in Hawaii and Obama was born in Hawaii.

In simple language for birthers.

Obama's father went to university in Hawaii.
Obama's father meet Obama's mother when he was in university in Hawaii. Obama's parents got married and had Obama.
Obama's parents go divorced 2 years later.
Obama's father stayed in Hawaii to finish his university.

Or more concise. Obama's parents meet and go married while Obama's father was studying in Unversity. After his parents go divorced his father continued to study in Hawaii, after gradating he returned to Kenya.

Honestly, you need to read the full article. For everything that you point out a proof for the birthers' disillusion, there is no supporting information.

Let us be clear there is something called logical reasoning. It through logical reasoning that one can determine the truth.

The position of “birthers” is to dismiss any information that doesn't support the facts. Let me make a deal with with I will consider the artice, if and only if you consider my information.

- A Certificate of Live birth.
- Two birth announcement of the child on COLB.
- An independent authentication of the COLB.
- Confirmation by the Governor of Hawaii genuineness of the COLB
- Confirmation of the Health director in Hawaii that the vital statistic of the child is identical to the COLB.
* the latter four is called confirmation information.

The I will consider
- a newspaper article stating “Kenyan-born”

However, you must accept that you have no confirmation information. Thus, it must be rejected until some confirmation information occurs.

Sorry, I have chuckle at you misunderstanding of simple concepts.

That's freakin' BS and you should be shipped to Cuba for being so anti-American. The newspapers are actively scrubbing info and covering something. Don't tell me they didn't know. They are hiding what they know. That's BS. I know you don't care cuz you're a Marxist/Socialist just like obummer. You commies want to confuse everyone with lies and distortions, but enough is enough. There's more of us than there are of you. You want a battle? Bring it on. I'm sick of your Marxist lies and BS.

Please, let us know that all newspaper articles that make corrections based on errors are actual attempts to change the facts.

Please, confirm that every time a newspaper prints a correct is because they have been instructed that the truth should be hidden.

Please, given more examples of this attempt by newspapers to hind the truth which are not related to an “authenticated birth certificate”.

You are a very intelligent person, and you know that there are cases when newspaper had to correct erroneous information.

As I have many times have rebutted your nonsense, please explain why newspapers, magazines, store fliers public corrects.

You continue to push your distortion as facts. When you can produce one logical argument for you position without dismissing or distorting facts we would gladly hear it.

Thanks Cap'n, took a while to read it all but Damn that was interesting! If you want to know what happened with Orly and Kreep in Judge Carters court click it. You will know a lot more when you're done than when you started. Give captainsteve a round of applause he deserves it. I just feel Judge Carter wants to get all the ducks in a row and go duck hunting. Let's just hope and pray he does.

anteni, your organized, well funded, world wide, and at the moment in power in America. But don't get too comfortable, your days are numbered. The American population from America's Heart Land will NEVER settle for you Communism, nor any part of it. You got your Blue states with all the many different minority groups, and most of them hate each other, but you do not have the honest Americans in the middle. Hard working Americans that still make things and grow things and raise the meat you eat. They aren't loud, and they don't get air time on the Communist MSM, but they are still there in overwhelming numbers. When push comes to shove your splinter groups will side with those they think will win and you will be surprised to see that all those that you think chose your Communist BS will come running home to Daddy. They will protect themselves and their broken families and forsake you and your Evil usurper like rats jumping a sinking ship. Who knows you just might be smart enough to join us. We'll let you in if you denounce your past ways. Live long and prosper. But don't get in the way!

I googled Kenyan Born Obama and got 3 different articles on the first page. From different sources. Try It!

internet COLB stated as fake by 3 experts and photoshoped.
2 birth announcements that are on microfiche that just happen to have the Nordak twins redacted from that group of births. These only came up after he took office and got control of the FBI and CIA. They are good a faking documents.
Governor of Hawaii NEVER verified the COLB.
Health Director simply said there was something on file. Not that it matched the online COLB. We don't know what is on file but it looks lke the only document Hawaii has stated it has on Obama Jr. is the Obama Dunham marriage License.
These are the true facts.

Have you ever heard of the word disillusioned. There is no complexity in the arguments presented. It is a simple concept, when newspapers make errors they print corrections. Trust me it is not that hard to understand.

Birthers need to dismiss logical reasoning in order to propagate there deception. That is not an difficult concept to understand. Any form of logical reason birthers have dismissed in to present their arguments.

Case in point: “your organized, well funded, world wide, and at the moment in power in America.”

What does that have to do with the validity of a birth certificate. You are more concerned in pushing controversies, which have gotten more complicated by the day.

Please explain to me why newspapers make print corrections?

Honestly, if you don't have anything to backup your position don't challenge others. It is the same article or a birther site propagating misinformation. Like honestly, you really believe that I wouldn't research a subject before writing about it.

Anyways, what are on those DVD you are hiding?

This is how full of crap they are. On their blog site they claim to have a copy of the honolulu advertisers website making a retraction about a stement about his birth. However if you look at the domain name they have clearly made up a complete B,S, web page. The site is http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Notice the http://www.THE(DOT)honolulu that is NOT the web address for the sight. There is no THE in the name

Good post AXJ, reading through it we can clearly see Judge Carter is a practical man and right from the get go he has West tell him how it would work in Arnold Schwarzenegger ran for President and West concedes it would end up in Court just like this case has.

At minute 08:50 West concedes this Court has Competent Jurisdiction and there would be standing. Orly has won.

At minute 08:59 Orly starts right, this is not about impeachment, that is only for an eligible candidate and legitimate President and Obama might not be. Well done.

At minute 09:00 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction under a case of Quo Warranto. Well done.

At minute 09:03 Orly goes for the jugular and states this is a legal question of constitutional law, not a political nor congressional matter so therefore they are out and this is a Court of competent jurisdiction. Well done again.

At minute 09:00 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction since there is no Res Judicata tried on the merits. Brilliant.

At minute 09:17 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction under a case when there is a violation of the Constitution. Brilliant again.

At minute 09:39 Orly explains to Judge Carter that the Secretary of the State of California did not verify Obama's eligibility. This is a grave matter. Well done.

At minute 10:00 Kreep asks Judge Carter to issue the appropriate Subpoena. Well done.

At minute 10:50 Orly explains to Judge Carter how Osama Bin Laden can win a Presidential Election with the help of the King of Saudi Arabia. Sad but true.

At minute 10:55 Orly explains to Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction and the American People have the right to enforce the Constitution. Well done.

At minute 11:24 Kreep sums it up for Judge Carter why he has competent jurisdiction. Well done.

And you really believe anything coming out of Hawaii?

Nude pics of Stanley Ann Dunham in the summer of 1961 reveal she was not pregnant.

This one is catching on like wildfire.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4YFhK87NXPE/SamoRZtXP…

Anteni, sometimes a person might be called “paranoid” but they really are not paranoid if there really IS somebody or something out to get them. They are just defensive. When somebody really is out to get you, you are either defensive or stupid and end up unprepared. If “you” are not aware of the truth and pushing an agenda you know is corrupt simply to get that agenda to the top of America's political structure. You are doing yourself and this country a great disservice. You play word games but you never attack the issue. Why would a man hide EVERYTHING if he had nothing to hide? When I look out my front door and see a big pillar of smoke over the next block, I don't try to figure out why it's there or who caused it. I CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT! That's what I'm doing right now, Screaming for help against an Evil that is destroying America. You don't try to put water on that fire, you just want to help blow thw smoke away. The fire is raging! Help America put it out!

Birfers would be nowhere without fraudulence.
They are so inept, however, they could never make a living at grifting…

one of your endearing traits, Cap'n, is how reflexively you question the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with you. What's so funny about that is how it stands in contrast to the numerous treasonous & seditious postings you've made here.
(sigh)…

wow, oldracistman, that was quite a speech! I think you should start an organization : America's Heart Land
the inept grammar will be a tip-off to just what a joke you and your lame Pleasantville fiction of “middle” America really are. I don't know what basement you hole up in, but you are a little sheltered from “middle” America. Corporate rapine and creeping Walmartism have destroyed the America which you evidently long for, not communism. Walmarts and overseas jobs have decimated the mom & pop businesses of the “Heart Land”, leaving a hollowed out middle, strewn with methlabs and unfocused bitterness which lowlifes such as yourself have twisted into hatred for the 'foreigner' in the White House. Continue on with your Turner Diary fantasies of how it will all be 'put right' by Orly the Deliverer and ethnic cleansing.

I, for one, do NOT want to know

You should be shipped to Cuba too, scumbag.

You didn't answer the question. Instead you try to deflect from the question. It is a simple question, and has no relationship to whether or not the president is constitutionally eligible to hold office.

There was no mention of “paranoid” in my previous statement. Maybe “disillusioned”, the term was used to suggest that birthers are disappointed with the election results and are attempt to dismiss the election victory by suggesting that the president isn't constitutionally eligible. Even knowing that the presidents birth certificate is authentic, they just can accept it because it will me that they are wrong.

I will repeat myself. You didn't answer the question. Instead you try to deflect from the question.

Please, explain to me why newspapers make/print corrections?

Yes. Everything coming from Hawaii is fake. Even the information that you attempt to spread to support your lies. Yes, this includes the picture that you know is photoshop. Honest, please try for once to produce an argument that at least attempt to support your position. This is what I constantly refer to being as logically disjoint.

Birthers just don't understand that the only people the are fooling are themselves.

Their problem is and always have been logic disjoint arguments, and they just don't seem to realize this. At times it is so asinine that it hard to understand why they don't realize this.

AXJ announces new computer program to trace the internet and immediately inform you of any changes to any article posted on the internet within the last 10 years.

Everyone should download a copy and start monitoring the internet to any changes to Obama Kenya Indonesia Birth and publish changes in real time on AXJ websites, forums, blogs in the USA and around the world.

Just http://www.google.com AXJ to dowload the software now.

So, I've done some digging on Orly Taitz. It turns out, her family likely falsified its Jewishness in order to gain citizenship and entry to Israel, as was common of many people attempting to leave the Soviet Union. She has some 20 odd malpractice suits filed against her for her dental practice, and she is facing disbarment in California. She is also a mail order bride to a U.S. citizen who was visiting Israel, and her citizenship was obtained under false pretenses. ( You can't get a green card simply by marrying someone in the U.S…. its not legal, though many people do it). Thus, her U.S. and Israeli citizenship are likely fraudulent… I am amazed that she ends up on CNN, etc – with this sordid background

OK no name, pony up the prof of this Orly bashing. “falsified its Jewishness” lol!

Correction for Oct. 17

Correction: Clorox executive compensation story

SAN FRANCISCO — In an Oct. 14 story about Clorox Co.'s executive compensation, The Associated Press reported erroneously that CEO Don Knauss received more than $1 million under the company's mortgage subsidy program over three fiscal years. The amount was slightly less than $1 million and reflected total relocation-related benefits, which included the mortgage subsidy program.

News correction for Oct. 16

An Oct. 15 report by The Canadian Press erroneously stated that university researchers published a paper alleging Imperial Tobacco Canada destroyed seven million pages of research that included decades worth of studies on the effects of smoking.

In fact, the researchers said they looked at 60 reports that were among seven million pages of documents from British American Tobacco and its subsidiaries (which would include Imperial Tobacco) that were released by a United States court, and that the 60 reports had been among documents destroyed.

Correction: Monserrate Gets A Slap on the Hand from Justice Erlbaum

CORRECTION: GE Beats Despite Ugly Financial Unit (GE)
Vincent Fernando|Oct. 16, 2009, 8:09 AM

General Electric missed beat EPS expectations by two cents, reporting $0.22 for the third quarter. Revenue fell 20%, though this was largely caused by a 30% drop in revenue for the company's Capital Finance segment as the company tries to pare back this troubled business's operations.

(missed was crossed out)

Like honestly … corrections to newspaper articles happen all the times and other times they are updated. Anyone who regularly reads the newspaper knows this.

It is quite interesting that you were able to turn around birthers arguments on them.

“creeping Walmartism” is Communism ie. China invading America. Thought you would love the Chinese bringing their filthy foreign goods into our once clean country. Did you hang at the local crack house to find some friendly ladies this Sat.? Seems you like that underbelly of America.

chris, you're pi$$ing the cap'n off!

It is obvious that birthers are more concerned with going further down their disillusion that accepting fact or using logical reasoning.

The latest example is their view that newspaper or other publications don't print corrections to information that they have given. Instead they believe it is a conspiracy.

In the Washington Post there is an article “New York Rocks On, at Museum and Elsewhere” by Robert DiGiacomo. At the top of the article is the words “Correction to This Article” in read with the text “A previous version of this story misidentified the current use of Bottom Line, a former club. The location now holds New York University classroom and office space.”

In this article there is the following “it included the birth of his son.”

Now the reason that I including the final text is to show how disillusioned birthers are.

There are many program that people can put on their computers to help with scientific inquiry, or other programs that do searches. However, these projects are using individual citizens as part of a larger network. Google use hundreds of computer to search the internet to make indexes of websites.

What birthers don't realize that their are people praying on their utter ignorance. However, their ignorance is self inflicted by disregard logical reason to fuel their disillusion.

No amount of documentation would satisfy you, oldracistman—you believe what you want to believe, not wha is rational. We can all see the facts about grifter Orly at any number of sites—besides I imagine you're too busy jacking off over Birfer porn to bother with the real world

“disillusioned” Could you fit this definition? You seem to take the posting of a altered, never verified, source unknown, COLB as absolute prof that your supposedly faultless Communist doG is eligible to sleep where he now sleeps. I have studied this for over a year now and watched as more and more questions are asked and more and more answers go unanswered. Don't you realize that something major wrong is happening here? I voted for BHO in the DemComm primary to block the rotten Rodham, but there was no big wave of questions about his eligibility. A little over a year later this man is one of the most disrespected persons in the history of America, both here and world wide. Yea all the Communist outposts support him but everyone else laughs at us for allowing him to be elected knowing that he is not eligible. Parts of America seem to be the only ones that do not realize what a mistake we have made. He is a Marxist Communist by admission and that in itself is reason to find some way to get him out of office. If what we know today was put on the MSM back in 2008 there is no question things would be different today. If what we knew back in 2008 was put on the MSM back in 2008 things would be different.
Can't you see and feel this is all just wrong? If you would simply admit you are a card carrying Communist I'd stop trying to get you to open your eyes.

My goD Anteni, You're Drunk! Your slurring your type!

Sounds like you are one confused puupy, ideologically speaking, oldracistman. Didn't you know that “leftists” like me have ALWAYS boycotted Walmart and their ilk because of their form of predatory global capitalism? “Leftists” are much more likely to buy American—-and go out of our way to do it—–than you confused rightwingers who always buy cheap as possible. You really need some schooling—there's nothing vaguely communist about China's economic imperatives: how could you be so naive?

He's probably Obama, he hides his “name”. But you side with him? falsified its Jewishness??? Show me a photo of your ACP card.

Either drunk, stoned or simply can't type.

Don't care to comment on the content of his post?

This isn't twitter.

Are you bored or something.

Wow. You taught you how to rebut a statement. Please rebut my claims. Please, clearly demonstrate that birthers are being rational.

I have previously asked you a simple question, that you refused to answer. You ask me silly questions without attempting to read or rebut my comments. Attempting to deflect from the issues demonstrate that you don't have a valid argument.

PS. the word is typing not type.

The question was simple.

Please, explain to me why newspapers make/print corrections?

Not “me” baby!

I want to know if you are a Communist!

look deeper into your PS.

money, fear, sex, drugs, advertisers, editors, spin and every once in a while to correct a mistake. But not this time!

Talk about self-important. As if Obama could care about this blog or about you. Obama is more concerned about fleas on puppy Bo's belly than he is about ranting Birfers

As you have clearly demostrated you have no position on the issue being discussed, but instead you want to engage in spreading misinformation and distortions of the truth.

Whatever my political affiliation has absolutely nothing to do with nothing.

My claims was that birthers arguments are disjoint from logic. Also, “Birthers just don't understand that the only people they are fooling are themselves.”

PS. The McCarthy era is over.

Here is a simple question asked to a birther. It is a direct question.

“Please, explain to me why newspapers make/print corrections?”

A reply from oldmagicman666
“money, fear, sex, drugs, advertisers, editors, spin and every once in a while to correct a mistake. But not this time!”

This is a nonsensical answer.

I open up this question to who ever can produce a clear answer for this question.

Please, explain to me why newspapers make/print corrections?

the companion Birfer rationalization is: “I don't care what (expert's name here)'s credentials are–anyone's opinion can be bought”
There's actually a virtually bottomless collection of these nuggets in the Birfer arsenal—–who has the time to enumerate them here?

Well, no wonder I can't stand the SOB!

Ant, your Communist affiliation has everything to do with everything you type. the ACP finally got a Marxist into the White House just to find out he is ineligible to be there. If this wasn't so detrimental to America it would be extremely funny.
Now that America has found the little )o( is a usurper you are going nuts trying to keep him in there long enough to get as much of your Communist BS passed before he is arrested. But give it up Ant. once ICE takes him out of our White House everything he has touched will be removed. Sotomayor will no longer be on our highest court. The rotten Rodham will be unemployed, I like this one – not only will she no longer be Secretary of State but she gave up her Senate Seat, Yea Haw! We will have lost a year and everything will have to start over when Sarah takes over.

How much clearer could I be? & I am not a (how do you spell it?) B i r t h e r , I'm a radical Republican American further to the right than Attila the Hun. Lock N Load, Rock N Roll, America as America was created — Forever!

The question has nothing to do with you being a birther or not. It was a direct question.

Please, explain to me why newspapers make/print corrections?

A Strawman is usually used for scaring away crows. In an argument they demonstrate that you have absolutely nothing to say. It is common among true conspiracy theorist to insert some level of realism into their arguments, by using example to assert their points. However, these arguments are generally flawed, since what has been inserted has no relationship to the topic being discussed.

As I stated before “my political affiliation has absolutely nothing to do with nothing.” By using the terms such as Communist, Marxist, and usurper you demonstrate that your are more concerned with using a strawman argument that proving your point.

You continue to babble about nothing with the belief that this would discourage your opponents. You haven't proven anything, and seem more interested deflecting from the fact that you have no argument.

However, there seems to be some more serious delusions that you have to deal with first.

Just because the president doesn't care about you. You attempt to slander someone and then you complain. Honestly, you can have it both ways.

Judge Carter has a Spy working for him.

Already sanitized by Wiki..

Good thing AXJ made a copy:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2861

Someone has to explain to AXJ how Wikipedia works. Honestly, they seem to be utterly and absolutely confused about the nature of Wikipedia. Instead of looking a the situation logically they start to spread misconceptions. AXJ's example is akin to complaining about a book has been taken out the public library without your knowledge. Please, someone explain to them.

You can access the history of a entry on Wikipedia by selection the “history” tab. It is quite easy. There are about 50 revisions with the first on 23 June 2007.

Come on, this is the black helicopter crowd, they enjoy good lots of conspiracy-speak. I'm guessing maybe on “24″ they use the verb 'to scrub' often.

I really didn't want to wear out the word “moron.”

Thought I answered that several times already!

Can't you see you are describing yourself?
I keep asking you if you would like America to become a 3rd World Communist state. Why don't you answer. Are you like Obama afraid of the truth?

IN OTHER WORDS A UNEDUCATED RENECK TRAILER TRASH WITH PENIS SIZE ISSUE WHO THINKS HE IS A MAN BECAUSE HE HAS A GUN……..HEY SHIT FOR BRAINS KEEP IN MIND THEY MADE MORE THAN ONE…IDIOT BASTARD.. YOU WOULD NOT BE WORTH THE BULLET

YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT

The writer's use of the words “insane” and “ridiculous” in describing Taitz and her position sets the tone for his opinion piece. I got the distinct impression that the writer has only a superficial knowledge of the issue and, therefore, resorts to the ad hominem attack of the messenger, Taitz, rather than refute her arguments, which he fails to do. The bedrock issue is Obama's citizenship status and whether or not he meets the Constitutional requirement of being a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. If it can be shown that he does not, then we have a monumental Constitutional crisis on our hands, one that is unprecendented. One act on the president's part would answer the question: make his original, full birth certificate available to the public. Why will he not do so? Why did he not so so during his campaign when the issue was first raised? The Certification of Live Birth posted on his website and elsewhere on the Internet is insufficient and unconvincing to many people. Taitz, whatever else might be said of her, is trying to get to the bottom of this matter and bring closure to it. The writer of the above article seems not to grasp this truth. In fact, neither he nor Orly Taitz nor you nor I knows where Obama was born. It is imperative that we know if we believe in our Constitution and wish to uphold its integrity.

From my experience at this Birfer watering hole, “insane” and “ridiculous” would be the diplomatic way of dismissing Orly & her travelling show. Every Birfer contention has been comprehensively debunked. The judge's frustration with Orly is undeniable—if you fail to see why he feels that way, you are certainly in denial. Denial is indeed an abiding trait for the Birfer. Nude photos, paranoia and hate speech are what you'll find at this birfer mouthpiece, for the Birfer has no problem substituting trash for substance.
welcome to the freakshow

IQ 136
Believe in gun control (can put a 6 round clip in one hole at 100 yards)
As for penis size ask your momma, sisters and girl friends, bet they know me or will.

Most articles about David Duke don't take the time to refute his claims that the Holocaust is greatly exaggerated/never happened, either.

The Communist Bloc was the Second World and the Western Bloc was the First World and we were competing over the non-aligned Third World, you pathetic, ignorant child. Learn your history before alluding to it. Fucking trolls.

Michael it doesn't matter where he was born that might be their cover, Poppa Obama was a Kenyan and therefore a British subject (Kenya was a British Colony back in 1961) Being a Brit under British Law and the Nationality Act of 1948 the baby boy was born a British subject in 1961 no mater where that birth took place. He could have been born in the Oval Office of the White House and he would still be a British subject at the moment of his birth. No law in America can change his father's British standing in 1961, No law in America can make his father an American Citizen in 1961 which he never became nor tried to become. And no Obot on NO WEBSITE can change the true meaning of Natural Born. Born of BLOOD & SOIL! The blood of one's parents (with a “S” meaning both) being American Citizens at the time of one's birth and that birth on American Soil. McCain was not even eligible for POTUS! He had the two parents part right but his A$$ was born in Panama! Not Natural Born there. So Obama who was born a British subject Strike 1, and had a nonAmerican father Strike 2, can never be considered a natural born American Citizen because he's NOT! If he was born in Kenya or Hell It's Self it doesn't matter he is not and will never be natural born and therefore he is ineligible to hold the office he is pretending to hold today. There's a good chance he has never been a simple citizen of America but we know beyond a shadow of a doubt he has never been a Natural Born American Citizen as is required by Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. of our great old Constitution. Saved by our founding fathers one more time, these were truly intelligent men that thought out the government of their new country and understood what it needed better than most do today. They put the Natural Born Requirement in there when there was no Natural Born Americans in America. They had to add “unless you are a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution” to give themselves the right to hold the office of POTUS until such time there were actually Natural Born American Citizens old enough to become President. The first 10 Presidents held office under these words. They were American Citizens before the constitution was adopted. Obama was not! This is the absolute worst and most dangerous mistake (or coup) that has ever been put on our Great Country. We all have to come together and correct this terrible mistake or we will surely lose this great country our founding fathers created for us 222 years ago. Join the Fight!

Paid Obot?

Oldracistman, if you now freely admit that BO is US born then why do you frequently refer to him as 'foreigner'? You are not logical or consistent—-I know, I know that's what makes you such a perfect Birfer.

Now you are becoming incoherent, cut back on the meds and put a towel over that naked picture of Obama. Wash your hand! TOO!

Trig?

Did as you requested and asked about: had to go further afield to find any women who would admit to knowing you, though. It was interesting to discover how well known and remembered you were; it was equally as interesting to learn you were universally known as “PencilDick, the 5 Second Wonder”.

Orly has simply made this whole issue public while Obama and his personal friends have tried to silence it. Everybody back in 2004 knew he was not eligible. They are scrubing the internet to remove all the evidence but nothing will change the numbers on a supposed certificate of live birth from Hawaii he published and that will be his downfall, he can now no longer change those numbers. The registrar did not receive a filing until 4 days after he was supposedly born. What does Hawaii Law say?

“Everybody back in 2004 knew he was not eligible”
This serves as the perfect Birfer declarative: devoid of meaning but comprehensively definitive.

Let me try:
“Everybody back in 1969 knew the moon landings were staged”
I rest my case

Scrubbed the internet? It seems that the only scrubbing that has happened in on your brain cells.

The date that is mention is when the birth certificate was filed with the Hawaiian Department of Health or it precursor. Not the date the birth was submitted. Anyone who have even been given government documents would know this.

You falsely attempt to present a inconsistency, when there is none.

Just like Alice in Wonderland you have fallen down the metaphorical rabbit hole.

The whole country is going down the metaphorical rabbit hole and the rabbit is a unamerican Communist usurper foreigner. We need Elmer Fudd!

Goodnight Americans and F-off Obots! Maybe Judge Carter will issue discovery orders in about 10 hours.

Yes, that is the metaphorical rabbit hole that I am discussing. What you wrote is part of the disillusion that you and other birthers have. So thank you for confirming my statement.

It is hard to determine if are in worse trouble or not by believing Elmer Fudd will do a better job that Orly Taitz.

Maybe is between here and nowhere. All the best with your disillusion.

30 Days what a laugh shes a lawyer and can't even understand the judges orders and then goes to the streets to proclaim another fake victory. Why can't we have someone with a little intelligence be the heard of the birthher movement. She reminds me of a mail order bride looking for attention. Give it up Orly to someone who actually knows what they are doing.

You are Elmer Fudd. A racist Elmer Fudd

She's got more new people looking into this usurper's fake Presidency than I have and I've been at it since August '08. She is truly a breath of fresh air in our movement!

Those AXJ really look like they know what they are doing. I am thinking of buying shares in their News Service. They are everywhere.

That is exactly right with all the evidence staking against Obama.

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Michael Dixon 6 days ago
The writer's use of the words “insane” and “ridiculous” in describing Taitz and her position sets the tone for his opinion piece. I got the distinct impression that the writer has only a superficial knowledge of the issue and, therefore, resorts to the ad hominem attack of the messenger, Taitz, rather than refute her arguments, which he fails to do. The bedrock issue is Obama's citizenship status and whether or not he meets the Constitutional requirement of being a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. If it can be shown that he does not, then we have a monumental Constitutional crisis on our hands, one that is unprecendented. One act on the president's part would answer the question: make his original, full birth certificate available to the public. Why will he not do so? Why did he not so so during his campaign when the issue was first raised? The Certification of Live Birth posted on his website and elsewhere on the Internet is insufficient and unconvincing to many people. Taitz, whatever else might be said of her, is trying to get to the bottom of this matter and bring closure to it. The writer of the above article seems not to grasp this truth. In fact, neither he nor Orly Taitz nor you nor I knows where Obama was born. It is imperative that we know if we believe in our Constitution and wish to uphold its integrity.

Wow. You have been at it for over a year and still haven't found anything. No wonder you are so passionate. I though that you were just crazy. Now, I know that you are obsessed and petrified of being wrong. Try to take a day off for starters, it would be an excellent way for you to wean yourself. It could really help.

Evidence? Did you say evidence? What evidence do you mean? Honesly, one birther has admitted that he has been doing this almost 15 months. I think you should pass your evidence to him since he seems to have not encountered any.

So now you are thinking about saving for your retirement. That is a good idea. However, if you buy some now I don't think that they would pay out that much when you retire. Well, if you retire this year. You could keep the shares for a long time, which would be a great idea. Other than that, I think you choices are limited.

Ad hominem attacks. Have you ever heard Orly Taitz speak. You made a lot of Ad hominem attacks against Judge Land, then he threatened to sanction her for $10,000. The she engaged in more ad hominem attacks and the sanction was raised to $20,000. Ms. Taitz popularity is due only to her ad hominem attacks against Obama. Honestly, you selective memory has deceived you.

Finally, all you are engaging in is ad hominem attacks. That is what your entire position is.

Yes, Taitz position is foolish. Insane does mean foolish, but it is a harsher word. She ignores the facts, and accepts anything that supports her position without verifying the validity of the information. She is unable to dispute the facts, but instead engages in conjecture. This is why she is foolish.

The courts have ruled that her claims are frivolous by several courts. Which of course is a much nice way of saying her claims are ridiculous.

I don't expect you to understand this, because are you are concerned with is spreading misinformation. However, enough people are no fooled by your deception.

“Taitz, …, is trying to get to the bottom of this matter and bring closure to it.” If Taitz was trying to bring this to a close she would have listened to the ruling. Here clients have no legal standing as they are unable to prove that they have been harmed.

The is akin to me walking pass you without saying anything, and you attempting to sue me. Please, take some time and read the rulings. Only, then will you realize that you have reached a dead end. The only way out is to just give up and accept that the president's birth certificate's authenticity.

LOL! Oh, now Orly's got NEW people looking into Obama. Well that's a whole new ballgame! More loony dimwits sifting thru crazy Orly's detritus in hopes they'll stumble over some gleaming jewel previously overlooked in the ashes. Maybe something in a suppressed thesis paper. Hmmm. Maybe a photo of Obama partying with Bin Laden in Pakistan, '81. Hmmmm maybe some authentic audio of Michelle using the term “whitey”.
Keep hope alive
LOL

The most charitable adjective I can come up with for these evolutionary curiosities is 'perspicacity'.
What that means for us Birfer-watchers is that our freakish little 'friends' will soldier-on no matter how often, no matter how roundly, their bizarre accusations have been debunked.

Racist Michelle comment, forgot about that! Need to put out a search and see if anybody's found the clip! Thanks.

Ant, found more than enough to put him in prison, some people just don't seem to be able to read the truth and understand it. Obots are not the smartest creatures on our little rock.

Stinking communist smoke and mirrors do not “debunk” anything, they just hide the truth for a short time. The winds of reason blow away the smoke and hard facts shatter the mirrors.

Don't you Obots feel useless defending this fake goD?

If you took your head out of Rush's ass for a moment, you'd know that the Michelle Obama “whitey” accusation has already occurred and –shocker—proven to be another racist fabrication.
Ok, lesson's over: you can shove your head back in there now.

The “natural born Citizen” clause serves a critical purpose today and must be enforced in every Presidential election. The President has immense power, both civil and military. The clause assures the American people that their President does not have any conflicting allegiances or loyalties. In our nuclear world, it will avoid having a President who may hesitate to act quickly and decisively in a moment of crisis due to some internal psychological conflict of allegiance or loyalty. It will avoid any foreign nation expecting and pressuringthe President to act in their best interest instead of that of America. The clause gives the American people the best chance that they will not be attacked from within through the Office of President. Knowingthe President is a “natural born Citizen,” the American people will trust their President with their lives. Finally, such a President can expect that the military will give him or her full trust and obedience.

. . .

That the “natural born Citizen” clause is based on undivided allegiance and loyalty can be seen from how the Founders distinguished between “citizen” and “natural born Citizen.” This distinction is based on the law of nations which became part of our national common law. According to that law as explained by E. Vattel in, The Law of Nations (1758), Vol.1, Section 212, “Des Citoyens et Naturels“, a “citizen” is a member of the civil society. To become a “citizen” is to enter into society as a member thereof. On the other hand, Vattel wrote that a native or indigenes (written in French as les naturels or indigenes) or “natural born Citizen” as the term later became translated from French into English, is a child born in the country of two citizen parents who have already entered into and become members of the society. Vattel also tells us that it is the “natural born Citizen” who will best preserve and perpetuate the society.

This definition of the two distinct terms has been adopted by many United States Supreme Court decisions. (The Venus, 12 U.S. 253 (1814) and Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874) to cite just two.)

With the presidential qualification question never being involved, neither the 14th Amendment (which covers only “citizens” who are permitted to gain membership in and enter American society by either birth on U.S. soil or by naturalization and being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States), nor Congressional Acts (8 U.S.C. Sec. 1401), nor any case law (e.g. U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)) has ever changed the original common law definition of a “natural born Citizen.” This amendment and laws have all dealt with the sole question of whether a particular person was going to be allowed to enter into and be a member of American society and thereby be declared a “citizen.” The 14th Amendment did not involve Article II, let alone define what a “natural born Citizen” is.

Never having been changed, the original constitutional meaning of a “natural born Citizen” prevails today. We can also see from these definitions that a “citizen” could have more than one allegiance and loyalty (acquiring allegiance from one’s foreign parents or from foreign soil) but a “natural born Citizen” can have only one and that is to America (soil and parents are all united in one nation).

2) Smith v. Allwright 321 U.S. 649 (1944) Affirming Candidates as individuals

Smith v. Allwright 321 U.S. 649 (1944) undertaken by the United States Supreme Court was, is an action by a national political party “governmental action” for purposes of enforcing Article II and Amendment XIV of the United States Constitution? The Court in Smith v. Allwright, examined whether the action of the political party was a state action or private action. It was determined that since primaries were conducted by the party under statutory authority, the party was an agency of the state insofar as it determined the participants in the primary election. The party took it’s character as a state agency from the duties imposed on it by the state statutes, and the duties did not become matters of private law, simply because they were performed by a political party. Lending credit to the fact that Department of Justice is miserable in its conduct towards Barrack Obama in:

1. Representing private individuals
2. Investigation of the case of material action of fraud, by sworn false statement of material fact perpetrated upon Petitioners, and all U.S. Citizens causing a misleading degree of thought in the Presidential elections of 2008.

3) Mr. Gabriel J. Chin’s article in Michigan Law Review First Impressions, Vol. 107, No. 1, 2008 (Arizona Legal Studies Discussion Paper No. 08-14)

which argues U.S. Senator John McCain was not eligible as a natural born citizen to be a presidential candidate; to wit,

Senator McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to U.S. citizen parents. The Canal Zone was territory controlled by the United States, but it was not incorporated into the Union. As requested by Senator McCain’s campaign, distinguished constitutional lawyers Laurence Tribe and Theodore Olson examined the law and issued a detailed opinion offering two reasons that Senator McCain was a natural born citizen. Neither is sound under current law.

The Tribe-Olson Opinion suggests that the Canal Zone, then under exclusive U.S. jurisdiction, may have been covered by the Fourteenth Amendment’s grant of citizenship to “all persons born . . . in the United States.”

However, in the Insular Cases, the Supreme Court held that “unincorporated territories” were not part of the United States for constitutional purposes. Accordingly, many decisions hold that persons born in unincorporated territories are not Fourteenth Amendment citizens.

The Tribe-Olson Opinion also suggests that Senator McCain obtained citizenship by statute. However, the only statute in effect in 1936 did not cover the Canal Zone.

Recognizing the gap, in 1937, Congress passed a citizenship law applicable only to the Canal Zone, granting Senator McCain citizenship, but eleven months too late for him to be a citizen at birth. BecauseSenator John McCain was not a citizen at birth, he is not a “natural born Citizen” and thus is not “eligible to the Office of President” under the Constitution.

4) Barrack Obama’s dual citizenship disqualifies him as Presidential Candidate

Here.

Barack Obama’s father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama’s birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen “at birth”, just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens. This provides the reasons why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not “natural born Citizens”. The inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution crafted enumerates upon this:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;

The Framers needing to make themselves eligible for President didn’t want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had divided loyalty to another Country. While the Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as “natural born Citizens”, they wrote the grandfather clause (which no one living today qualifies under) in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the new nation declared the United States of America.

The Framers distinguished between “natural born Citizens” and “Citizens”. Clearly noted in 14th Amendment terminology of “Citizen”, not “natural born Citizen”. The Framers were Citizens, but they weren’t natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution thus creating a separation of trust for POTUS.

Obama states he was born, in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. His mother was an American woman, Stanley Ann Dunham, and his father was Barack Hussein Obama Sr. – a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies born in Kenya, which was still a British colony. Obama Sr. was in the United States on a college scholarship and was neither a citizen nor a permanent resident of the United States. Because of the citizenship status of his father, Obama Jr. was governed by British citizenship laws at the time of his birth. The law that governed Obama Sr. and his children was the British Nationality Act of 1948. It stated the following:

“1.—(1) Every person who under this Act is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or who under any enactment for the time being in force in any country mentioned in subsection (3) of this section is a citizen of that country shall by virtue of that citizenship have the status of a British subject.

“(2) Any person having the status aforesaid may be known either as a British subject or as a Commonwealth citizen; and accordingly in this Act and in any other enactment or instrument whatever, whether passed or made before or after the commencement of this Act, the expression ‘British subject’ and the expression ‘Commonwealth citizen’ shall have the same meaning.”

Barack Obama Sr. as a British citizen and subject to the laws of the British Nationality Act (BNA). The following sections establish that Obama Jr. was subject to the same laws at birth:

“4. Subject to the provisions of this section, every person born within the United Kingdom and Colonies after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by birth.”

“5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.”

He was born a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies on August 4, 1961. If he was in fact born in the United States, then it is possible that he acquired both United States and British citizenship. If he was born in Kenya, as long as their father was previously a British citizen born in Kenya:

“1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963…

“2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.”

Barack Obama Jr. was a British citizen at birth and a Kenyan citizen by virtue of the adoption of the Kenya Constitution. At age 23, he lost his Kenyan citizenship if he did not renounce his British or United States citizenship, take the oath of allegiance to Kenya, and declare his intentions of residence in the country. However, at no point did he automatically lose his British citizenship.

In the British Nationality Act of 1981, all previous citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies became “British Dependent Territories” citizens. This term was later amended to “British overseas territories” citizen.

“s 23 Citizens of U.K. and Colonies who are to become British overseas territories citizens at commencement.

“(1) A person shall at commencement become a British overseas territories citizen if–
(a) immediately before commencement he was a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies who had that citizenship by his birth, naturalization or registration in a British overseas territory; or
(b) he was immediately before commencement a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, and was born to a parent—
(i) who at the time of the birth (‘the material time’) was a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies; and
(ii) who either had that citizenship at the material time by his birth, naturalization or registration in a British overseas territory or was himself born to a parent who at the time of that birth so had that citizenship.”

In 1981, Obama became a British overseas territories citizen by virtue of the latest BNA, which was amended by the British Overseas Territories Act 2002.

“2 British overseas territories citizenship

“(1) Pursuant to section 1, British Dependent Territories citizenship is renamed ‘British overseas territories citizenship’; and a person having that citizenship is a ‘British overseas territories citizen.’”

Obama has not conclusively proven that he was born in Hawaii. More importantly, he is not an Article II 'natural born Citizen' because when Obama was born his father was a British subject/citizen and Obama himself was the same.

For proof the DOJ is hiring bloggers to give the totally false impression Obama has “grassroots support”, search “Anonymous DOJ Blogger Campaign Attacks Media and Critics”, then follow up with additional searches using the info in the article.

And your point is?

Yawn. Birthers are like parrots. Repeat the same thing over and over again. Polly want a cracker?

Paranoia: a thought process heavily influenced by excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. In the original Greek, ???????? (paranoia) simply means madness (para = outside; nous = mind). Historically, this characterization was used to describe any delusional state.

So once we actually know what citizenship Obama listed is on his college records and what is stated on the original Hawaiian BC we can pretty well give up on the idea he's not a natural-born US citizen. Both easy fixes if The Great Usurper would just go ahead and release those documents. It would be a lot cheaper than paying over a million dollars to conceal them.

There is an important issue of “legal standing.” I think that you should be more concerned with that simple issue, rather that spreading your political propaganda. Politics is different that law you still seem to not understand the distinction. No, birther has been able to produce any information that suggests that the presidents authentic birth certificate is any thing but genuine. So, just give it up. It is over. I know that their are possible other lawsuits, and still more may be filed. However, it seems this to be the best opportunity to accept that birtherism is dead.

Wow. It seems for you that fiction and reality are conflicting. It is hard to understand how you can honestly believe anything that you wrote. With court case after court case being dismissed one would have believe that you would give up on your disillusion.

Nothing has been produced by birthers. They have been willing to accept obvious fake documents. They have attempted to manipulate English in various ways. Honestly, no reasonable person believes birthers utter nonsense. This include conservatives, independents, progressive, and whatever way you want to define a group of people.

Just give it up. It would be much easier that sticking to your disillusion.

“I can't believe that!” said Alice.

“Can't you ?” the Queen said in a pitying voice. “Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.”

Alice laughed. “There's no use trying,” she said: “one can't believe impossible things.”

“I daresay you haven't had much practice,” said the Queen. “When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

“Through The Looking Glass” by Lewis Carroll

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-gall…

Time for Congress to Impeach.

How strange. First you said Judge Carter was intelligent and wouldn't be intimidated by DOJ. Then Judge Carter ruled against you birfers, as we said he would. Then you denounced Judge Carter, and pointed everyone to a libelous website about him.

What did Judge Carter rule? He held that the Court has no jurisdiction over attempts to remove a sitting President from office, because the only way to do that under the U.S. Constitution is by impeachment.

Do see the irony in your call for impeachment?

Care to apologize to Judge Carter?

Since we're not in the U.K., let's assume U.S. law prevails. If Obama was born in Hawaii–and we have no real reason to believe otherwise–he is a citizen according to U.S. TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401

Maybe Obama did something like start a really expensive war on the strength of a lie? Ooops–wrong pres.

You sound like someone who really enjoyed the last administration–they gave away the farm while people with your mindset just sucked up all their little slogans.

Nothing can also change the fact that his MOTHER was an American citizen, so when she gave birth to him in Hawaii, he was BORN an American citizen too. Goodness….

n the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person who
is born in the United States
of parents who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of a foreign power
whose parents have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States
whose parents are there carrying on business and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity of the foreign power to which they are subject
becomes, at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th amendment of the Constitution.