The Continuing Ballad of Orly Taitz

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Some judge needs to order her into a psychiatric evaluation.

Well, no surprise…any judge who disagrees with Queen Orly must be corrupt, in her opinion. Once he comes down with the final ruling for dismissal, it will be funny to see Orly go at it again. Wonder if Judge Carter want to get a piece of Orly action…about $10,000 worth, I'd think.

Oily Taintz is setting herself up to be a martyr. Like all birfoons, she's a disturbed, pathetic, delusional idiot. Maybe she'll court ordered psychiatric treatment one day.

NO, some judge needs to MAKE Bobama SHOW his REAL birth certificate and PROVE he is not eligible to be President!

No…the burden of proof is “NEVER” on the defense. EVERY Lawyer worth their salt knows this…someone needs to explain it to the dentist. (I see a whole lot of unnecessary root canals in the future to pay for her own legal troubles!)

Poor tracy, doesn't even know what a birth certificate is. Did you happen to go to school in OK tracy?

http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=11141949

75% of OK students can't name the first POTUS. No wonder you're confused.

Actually, that is correct. When you have a lawyer who act wish discontent toward the judge it doesn't sit well with other judges.

What is really funny is tracyfair wrote “some judge needs to … prove he is not eligible to be president.” No, this is the job of Ms. Orly Taitz or other birther lawyers. This isn't hard to understand. However, when you have people like the birther; who are more intent in distorting the facts than using logic; this happens.

Currently, all Ms. Taittz is doing is embarrassment herself. Her position is to make frivolous claims about anyone that proving her to be wrong.

The WAPO article is a great example of “faint praie” and backhanded putdowns.

Lisa Mundy does a great job mocking Orly without actually seeming to.

No, some people need to listen to the judge's decision! You haven't noticed, but a judge has summarily dismissed this case as it “has no substantial likelihood of success on its merits”. That is legalese for 'it was dismissed for being stupid.'
http://washingtonindependent.com/59595/a-bad-da…

I realize facts will roll off your consciousness like water off a duck's back. After all, federal courts have accepted these documents as proof of US citizenship for years.
But please, carry on!
The rest of us will enjoy the show.

The best part about the WAPO article is that she admits to hiring Lincoln a disbarred layer and convicted felon to be her law clerk.

According to the California Bar:
— —
Prior to or at the time of employing a person the member knows or reasonably should know is a disbarred, suspended, resigned, or involuntarily inactive member, the member shall serve upon the State Bar written notice of the employment, including a full description of such person's current bar status.
— —

Who want's to bet she didn't do that?

Tracy, please tell all of your birfoon friends to come out & play—-they're awfully quiet today, considering what a big day it is for Oily…

“When in doubt, accuse the judge of being pressured by the attorney general.”

From the quote, it sounds more like accuse the judge of being “gotten to” by the pod people.

He has shown his LEGAL birth certificate. And, furthermore, Hawaii verifies Obama was born there. Plus 2 newspaper announcements and a witness that talked to the delivering Doctor on the day of his birth. So, whatja got that says he wasn’t born there…besides your delusions.

Would you let this woman do anything in your mouth? Yikes!

Ah yes, grade school level insults. The stock in trade of the mentally addled Birther.

P.S. That uppity negro is still your President.

No, a finding of lack of standing IS a decision on the merits. But of course you won’t listen to anyone with a real degree or who practices law successfully.

Nope.
Especially since she’s been sued for malpractice 8 times.

Oh and I guess “YOU” have a real degree and practice the law sucessfully? Then you should know the difference.

“ON THE MERITS” adj. referring to a judgment, decision or ruling of a court based upon the “facts” presented in evidence and the law applied to that evidence.
Example: An attorney is two days late in filing a set of legal points and authorities in opposition to a motion to dismiss. Rather than dismiss the case based on this technical procedural deficiency, the judge considers the case “on the merits” as if this mistake had not occurred.

“STANDING” The legal right to initiate a lawsuit. To do so, a person must be sufficiently affected by the matter at hand, and there must be a case or controversy that can be resolved by legal action.

You just made yourself look like a complete IDIOT!
I rest my case!

Thank you for resting your case, Tracy. Motion to dismiss is granted, Obama is still our President. Thanks for playing.

You ain't SEEN the BIG DAY, yet! Obamacorn's MTD this case was NOT granted. Tell me why he is spending millions to try and dismiss these cases, when all he has to do is SHOW his DAMN birth certificate!

It's a freaking certificate of live birth, NOT a real birth certificate.Anyone can get one of those, EVEN if they were born out of the country.

Tracy, it is the real birth certificate of Hawaii. And no, if they were born out of the country it would not say Hawaii as place of birth. Getting desperate are we, Tracy?

That's because they won't give her the chance to PROVE IT! They have been dismissing these cases because of STANDING, not because of the MERITS. Standing means, the courts don't have the jurisdiction, not that the case isn't WORTH trying (because it definitely IS). It has never been thrown out on the merits. So, why is Obamacorn spending millions to have them dismissed? Why doesn't he just SHOW THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

You mean, POOR JIM, doesn't know what a birth certificate is. Have you seen the piece of garbage that he DID use? That is NOT a birth certificate. You people need to wake up!

BORING…and he hasn't spent millions. In fact, if you read Judge Land's ruling you'll see it didn't cost Obama a thing. Poor Capt Rhodes has to pay her own attorney (and I use that term lightly) Orly, plus pay the costs of the defense. Pretty much is going to lose all of her combat pay. BTW, the MTD will be coming down today or tomorrow, you can read it and weep.

Actually, wrong again Tracy (as usual) Judge Land saw all the evidence that Orly had to produce and called it “frivolous”. Basically nothing there. So, the merits won't work for you either…just like typing in capital letters won't work.

LOLOL, uh huh…anyone can read through this thread and see who WON. You have all lies and just calling names. I have facts. They will see for themselves.
HEAD IN SAND

LOLOL, shows how much YOU know. It is NOT the real BC of Hawaii IDIOT. It is a certificate of live birth, do a little research and come back when you are more informed!

Since it is Hawaii that decides what is or is not a birth certificate, you have no say in it. We're awake and see how delusional people like you are Tracy…it would be much nicer if you could articulate much better why you hate Obama so much and not hide behind a non-issue that you can never overcome.

LOL, Hawaii says it is. They trump an anonymous message poster any day of the week. But, keep typing, we want to see how really dumb you folks are before you get shot down…again.

Obamacorn could stop all this, JUST by showing the long form birth certificate, why won't he? You have no answer for that, why not? So you are saying that all his lawyers for loads of cases are FREE, lolol, what a joke! WAKE UP!

lol, Hawaii says it is. Show me!

Nope, he couldn't. Some blower idiot like you would just claim it's a forgery and start begging for more. Better to let you twist and turn and scream into the blogsphere, it is so much more entertaining.

“I … have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,” she said in a brief statement. “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Oops, forgot link for Tracy, else I'm lying.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32180625/

THIS is a long form Hawaiian birth certificate:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/real%20hawai…

THIS is the garbage he has given us:
http://simmerdown3.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/…

BIG DIFFERENCE, wouldn't you say?

FAIL

hahahaha

You sent something from MSNBC, what a joke!

hahahahaha they are left wing idiots!

Not at all, if the first person lost their BC and requested a new one from the state of Hawaii, they'd get exactly (except for the details) the same as the second one. Are you saying that if Edith Costs lost her BC she would cease being a citizen?

Even his paternal grandmother in Kenya, says she was there when he was born and it is on TAPE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGWcD5OHm08

OK, you've shown even less. That makes you a blower joke. And, insults from a blower are like complements from the majority..so thanks for the complement and continually proving me correct.

Here's the original:

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

Yeah, since Eric Holder was spotted in the coffee shop across the street from the courthouse, the day of the trial. Hmmmmm

And, like all blowers, you fail to listen to the whole interview. Especially where she corrects the interviewer and tells him Obama was born in Hawaii. Why do you have to lie to make your point? Is it because you know you have nothing except wild theories and forged documents?

lolol, you look right at the facts in front of your face and say I have no say in it. LOOK and you will see. You people disregard FACTS, just for the hell of it!

You are the ONLY one LOOKING dumb. The facts are there, LOOK at them. LOLOL

Yeah, except Holder was in California for three days of conferences, speeches, and handshaking. Complete with pictures and a complete itinerary that shows he was nowhere near Georgia at that time. Keep grasping Tracy, maybe you'll find a straw that won't poke you in the eye.

Yep, and those who ignore facts we call blowers. The only ones disregarding the facts are you, Tracy…and you prove it every time you post. So, keep up the good work!

NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdlXj-DapSY

LOLOL, sure you have. Show me proof!

Avoidance!

He did not LOSE his original, HE SEALED it! WHY? Why won't he show it and stop spending millions to AVOID showing it? You still haven't answered this!

YOU have not proven a DAMN thing. Except that you ignore FACTS. Wonder why..lolol
IDIOT!

Except, as always, you get confused. Why are every other person's Hawaii BC sealed? Could it be the law in Hawaii? Or does that not feed into your conspiracy theory well enough?

LOLOL, FAIL!
That is NOT a REAL birth certificate. Keep trying! So funny!

LOLOL, that's because of all the GOONS in the background. She changed her story after she figured out what she did. WAKE UP!

And someone saw him in Georgia. Great way to make him LOOK busy by making these meetings and then slipping away for a short time. FAIL

Oh, sorry, here's a few facts for you. 1) Obama is our legally elected President. 2) You have nothing to get him removed except wild theories and forged documents, which will never get you anyplace. 3) see 1 and repeat.

Ahhh, so you are a BLOWER, you said so yourself!
LOLOL, open mouth insert foot!

LOL…you really have to reach there, don't you. Do you want pictures and eyewitnesses that show Holder was in California at the exact time he was supposedly in the coffee shop, or would you be kind enough to allow flying time between California and Georgia? Wait, I know how he did it, Captain Kirk beamed him from California to Georgia and back. Now all you have to do is locate the transporter and you've got it. BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

Not the law, Obama had them sealed, to hide the TRUTH!

Now you're going to call her poor nephew who was translating for her a goon. Really sad you have to stoop so low.

he's LEGAL just because YOU say so, NOT! His BC is forged, that's about it!

Regardless, whether he was there or not and I have no proof that he was…He still has NOT shown his REAL birth certificate, WHY? Still haven't answered that one…FAIL!

Actually, he's legal because Hawaii, congress, SCOTUS, the Electoral College, and the american people say he is. Prove his BC is a forgery…don't just say it.

Sorry, just just because you say so, doesn't make it true. You are no one!

Really, show me the order from Obama sealing Hawaii birth records. BTW, I'll show you the law that seals it for ALL Hawaii citizens, so you'll just be wasting your time.

Now run along Jimmy, I hear Mommy calling!

Wasn't the nephew, check for yourself, idiot!

tracyfair 1 minute ago
Sorry, just just because you say so, doesn't make it true. You are no one!

Sorry, Tracy, we were running off the board. Thought I'd re-start this here if it's OK with you.

Look at your own quote, Tracy. Just because you say Obama's BC is a fake, doesn't make it true…your own words. Now, can you prove that Obama's BC is a fake? Or do you have some special powers that make you better than the rest of the people in the country?

If he will show the real one, it will prove the one he showed FAKE. Why is he avoiding this, you still haven't answered!

Sorry, but Bo Obama is the President's dog. As such, he does not have a birth certificate. He does, however, have AKC registration papers. Will that shut up you?

Nope, have Obama show his real BC and that will shut me up!

Great Tracy! Prove it was forged for me. I’d love to hear something more than theories. Give me your best shot. Give me you best piece of evidence that it’s forged. Make your case.

Except, he doesn't have to show it. And, smartly, he isn't going to bow down blowers who would only call the next one fake too. You still haven't shown how the other one is fake. Remember what you said…”Sorry, just just because you say so, doesn't make it true. You are no one!”

How would you know, you didn't even listen to the whole thing!

Except, as you say, “Sorry, just just because you say so, doesn't make it true. You are no one!” You have to prove it isn't a legal Hawaii BC.

I’ve already shown you and you refuse to look at the facts. So, stay your ole ignorant self, that’s your choice. You have to live with being the sheep being led by the shepard who is taking you all for a ride!

Wanna look again, here it is…you asked for it, now fucking LOOK:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

Those are NOT theories, they are hard facts that SHOW, exactly what you are asking for.

Facts? As far as I know you’re trying to show me home movies of you and your (supposedly) african-american husband. Sorry, I hate home movies. BTW…between us, is it true they prefer their white women fat and ugly? Or is it only your husband?

No, the BIG DAY is when the mothership arrives and ferries all good Birfers off to the planet Remulax. I can hardly wait!! BTW he hasn't spent a penny on your sorryass life-mission LOL

lolol

Birfers:
http://www.lickmytaintz.com

I’ve heard that, but no..NOT my husband. I am the blonde in the video at 2.52, if you call that fat, then you have a serious problem. I am 5’4″ and 120, phat maybe, but not fat!

I’m a fire breather, better watch out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xwcb5wG5wg&feature=channel_page

Ah, living in a dream world are you Tracy? The last time you were 120, Disco was still the big thing. Now there’s like 3 of you? Sitting around stuffing your face and watch Beck, Limbaugh and O’Reilly…sad that you’ve let yourself go so bad.

He has shown his real BC. Its not his fault you refuse to accept reality.

Take some time and EDUCATE yourself:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…

And another thing, take a look at my Youtube video and there is NO disputing, that these people are IN Obamacorn's administration. Anyone can look and see for themselves and do the same research that I did.
Defend this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULey3AaEuA8&feat…

You may want to check out some of my other videos, maybe you will learn somthing!

Sorry, Tracy, I stay away from blower sites. They're only filled with wild theories and forged documents…besides, there's been reports that some try to install virsuses. Besides, you don't have any proof that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, so it's useless tho try and pawn off crap as facts.

I would like to apologize for some of the comments towards you, but you bring it upon yourself. Tracy, dear, I know you really, really, really want this to be an issue. If it were, we could have a conversation. But a federal court dismissed it. I know you want them to hear both sides and render judgement, that would make this important. But the lawyer made a federal case out of this and the federal judge found it…fictional. I am not trying to be mean or insensitive, but your insistence on continuing the argument running counter to the evidence is a demonstration of magical thinking:

Magical Thinking
Definition: irrational belief that one can bring about a circumstance or event by thinking about it or wishing for it; normal in preschool children, it also occurs in schizophrenia and OCD.

Again, I am not trying to be a jerk. Your insistence on holding on to this idea after a federal court summarily dismissed the case makes it difficult to phrase the facts in a courteous manner.

“Jim (unregistered) wrote, in response to tracyfair:

How would you know, you didn't even listen to the whole thing!”

I've listened to it many times and I've also read the transcript, where the they talk about many men coming up and creating noise and telling the grandmother to change her story.

Then you should all shut up and let the court case (scheduled in January) go on and we will see.

That's all we want. If his long form PROVES he is a “natural born citizen” and not of Kenyan or British decent and NOT a dual citizen, then we will all, let it go. But NOT, until then. We will not stop, it's only going to get worse. SHOW THE DAMN BC!

Oh yes, the transcript created by nobody and now magically appearing on some blower site. I know it well. Doesn't mean anything except you're still delusional, but why stop now?

Sorry, the same rights that let you blowers talk crap allows me to talk crap to you. Besides, what do your care, Obama's already admitted he was born with dual citizenship. Why does that bother you?

Sorry, but that's not his real birth certificate and you KNOW it! Show the long form BC, what are you afraid of Obamacorn? I myself think he may be a dual citizen, which means he is not qualified to be President, either!

Nicely written, Irish, appreciate the input. I also want to have a conversation. Unfortunately when I present facts, the first thing out of Tracy's typing was an insult. If Tracy want's to have a nice conversation, it can be had and all the name calling can stop.

Actually, it is his real birth certificate and I do know it is his real birth certificate. As for who is afraid, I'm not the one scared of having an uppity negro as President of our United States of America.

So who is paying his lawyers? The taxpayers? I wouldn't doubt it!

You still refuse to answer the question..WHY is he hiding it? WHY?

Defend the video, all his ACORN/SEIU people in the white house…you can't!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULey3AaEuA8&feat…

Thats my YT account, not someone elses and I don't have to put viruses on my channel, WHICH YOU CAN'T, because I have the facts. You are just afraid to look because you will not be able to answer it!

ENJOY the TRUTH!

You still keep refusing to answer, what is your true agenda? Since you can't prove he wasn't born in Hawaii.

So what?

I would like to apologize for my comment to you. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but obviously you don't keep up with the times. Perhaps you should educate yourself a little more, before you try acting like you actually KNOW something.

The case in California, Keyes v. Obaba has NOT been dismissed. Just yesterday, they were in court. Obama filed a motion to dismiss back when the judge ordered expedited discover and it was NOT granted yesterday, as they THOUGHT it would be. The Judge ordered expedited discovery in this case, back in sept, meaning Obama WILL have to produce the long form BC. The judge seemed like he was moving towards MTD, but the people erupted all throughout the courthouse and it was felt Justice Carter was swayed by the outburst to not throw out the MTD but rather reconsider his decision. He will have his decision in the next few days.

Lot you know, eh?

“US Marshalls have established added security due to the high profile nature of the case. All members of the audience are being logged in and recorded per the court.

Turnout for this hearing is less, approximately 100 people are in line for a seat in the courtroom.

The hearing will begin at approximately 8:30. Justice Carter’s court is currently in session on a different case.

Under review today will be two items of critical concern. Defendant Obama’s 9/4/09 Motion to Dismiss is to receive final ruling to either allow or be thrown out. Once the MTD is thrown out, a ruling for full Discovery is anticipated from Justice Carter.

The Federal Marshalls have set up an auxiliary viewing room near the courtroom, live video feed will be shown in that room for any overflow crowd. Our reporter is assured of receiving a seat in the actual courtroom, and given the historical significance of this hearing, chooses to be in the main courtroom, thereby giving him access to off camera events and reactions.

To those who have thanked us for this coverage, you are more than welcome, we are at your service, as fellow free Americans.

8:36 am Pst- The audience has been seated, hopefully the hearing will only be 30 minutes to an hour and we should hear the findings. If the hearing lasts longer, a mid morning recess at the 2 hour mark usually takes place. (10:30 Pst) and that will be an opportunity for Gary to phone in.

10:12 am pst A commenter has asked if the case has been thrown out, I have NOT heard from Gary so the information can not be verified as accurate. Remember Obots like to play on the blogs

10:26 am Pst Not hearing from Gary is a good sign, after approximately 2 hours into the hearing. If as some have speculated the case was thrown out, it would not take 2 hours to rule in favor of Defendant Obama’s motion to dismiss, more like 15 minutes and Gary would have phoned that in long ago. Hang in there people.

10:37 am Pst We should be coming up on a court recess break shortly and will surely hear something. Thanks to all the commenters for searching around the blogosphere for the word. Here you WILL hear the truth, good or bad. But to this Texan, the up coming word must be good. Keep posting your comments

Steve”

You've not presented one single fact yet, I have all over! Man you people are delusional, is that your problem?

I am unclear as to your intent in the above post. It doesn't seem to say anything other than there was a motion to dismiss, it may or may not be granted, and it implies that a crowd may have intimidated a judge.

I did not specify the court case to which I was referring. I was referring to an earlier case, Rhodes v Obama, Gates and Col. MacDonald (Fort Benning garrison commander) in the Columbus Division of U.S. District Court.
U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land said:

“(Rhodes) has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is ineligible to serve as president of the United States,” Land states in his order. “Instead, she uses her complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the president is ‘an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, [and] an unqualified imposter.’”

and

“Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof, plaintiff unashamedly alleges that defendant has the burden to prove his ‘natural born’ status,” Land states. “Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our country was founded in order to purportedly ‘protect and preserve’ those very principles.
“Unlike in ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ simply saying something is so does not make it so,” Land says.

He's not. He does seem to be ignoring a bunch of crazy people, which is only reasonable for him to do.

Wow, a true idiot. Everyone knows that isn't his REAL BC, even the people FOR him. You have a lot to learn.

And no it's not the NEGRO issue, jackass. My husband is a negro, so I guess it IS the UPPITY, I don't like.

LOLOL. when you have no defense, use the race card, typical.

My agenda is to wake you people up and get your heads out of the sand. But you guys are all alike, you see facts and you dismiss them as saying I am racist. FAIL

LOLOL, so what?
Didn't think you'd have a response.

There is even an Acorn member in the house of representatives. Yes, Babette Josephs (D) is a self announced Acorn Member and how quaint that she happens to be Chair of the House State Government Committee. Ironically, the same committee that is holding up the bill introduced in the Pennsylvania legislature to investigate the activities of the controversial Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

Defend that. I suppose you think Acorn did nothing wrong and they are being wrongly accused, YOU WOULD!

Wow, head in sand!

My intent WAS..to show that you have no clue what you are talking about.

You said:
“But a federal court dismissed it. I know you want them to hear both sides and render judgement, that would make this important. But the lawyer made a federal case out of this and the federal judge found it…fictional.”

YOU WERE wrong, as I proved in the post above. Can you at least admit now, that you ARE WRONG. No, I'm just a racist…lolol

Perhaps you all should watch the Obama Deception and you will understand more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

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No thanks. I'm not into snuff films.

I'm sorry, I didn't know I was dealing with a schizophrenic lunatic. When you return to the real world where everyone here knows the President is an American citizen, feel free to come again.

And of /course/ your husband is one of them. How, shall we say, internet argumentatively convenient. Where's his birth certificate?

Everyone knows that isn't his REAL BC

All the voices in your head do not count as “everyone.”

Is this a quadruple feature with Loose Change, JFK, and They Saved Hitler's Brain?

Yeah, SHOW us HIS birth CERTIFICATE.

It seems you believe it is impossible for both of us to be correct. This is a childish and ignores reality.

I said a court dismissed the case before it. This is true. An earlier suit before U.S. District Court was dismissed by Judge Clay Land. I am not wrong, this is a fact.

Your post was for a different suit before a different court. I pointed this out when I specified the differing venue and judge. You are not wrong, this is a fact.

We were talking about different cases, and neither one of us specified which one we were talking about. When I explained this, your response was childish and petulant. You are looking for reasons to feel slighted; plainly worded conversation is twisted into a mockery of logic and reality.

I see no reason to discuss this any further.

Grow up, your BIG words don't male you right, no matter how intelligent you try to SOUND.

You tried to be SMARTASS, with you “i'm really sorry” bla bla bla garbage and all you did was make a full of yourself.

Had you had half the brains and knew what was actually GOING ON, and was FAIR, you would have said BUT, there is another case that is still pending. But you knew nothing of it. LOLOL, WAKE UP!

Yeah right, you want to have a conversation. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are racist. YOu are WRONG, so admit it. The proof is in your face, MUCH more proof then that piece of FORGED crap Obama is trying to pass off as a birth certificate.

FAIL

Sorry, your attention deficit disorder keep you from watching it? That's your problem,

You mean you can't handle FACTS. That's all you guys do is say the same things…

It's so funny. I don't like facts, I'd rather make things up as I go along…

LOLOLOLOL
You people are a riot!

It's so funny. I don't like facts, I'd rather make things up as I go along…

We know, we know.

Speaking of facts, we're still waiting on your 'negro husband's birth certificate. You're not lying to us now, are you?

YES you MUST show US the BIRTH certificate BECAUSE we ARE asking AND everything WE want MUST be GIVEN always BECAUSE. ALSO.

My negro hubby ain't running for Pres, now is he?
He is from Jamaica and I have loads of pics and a few videos, from when we go to Jamaica every year and stay in our rastafarian community, DEEP in the jungle. Nuttin but our rasta buddies and black people the entire week, So take your race card and shove it up yur ass!

FAIL

If you need PROOF, here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxtwnS0xEv8&feat…

Oh, but then you will say, “you just grabbed that video from YT, that isn't you.”

SO, I just left you a little comment in the description box to the right, to PROVE it's my channel. JUST THE FACTS LOSERS!

Was quoting you idiot, not my fault you can't FIGURE IT OUT!

If someone like the ursurper is in charge, you better believe it!

Easy enough to rip someone else's video and post it as your own. And I still don't see birth or wedding certificates. Where are they? What are you hiding?

Like which facts are you looking for Tracy?

The fact that Holder was in Georgia, when he was in California?

The fact the Obama's grandmother clearly states he was born in Hawaii and now you have to hire thugs?

The fact that you keep claiming the BC is forged with nothing to back it up?

The fact that whenever you are backed into a corner, all you're left with is calling people names?

Which facts that you've been proven wrong on do you wish us to look at?

Quoting me? Please point out where I posted that before you.

lolol walked right into it. Hello, read my post, it says I left you a little message in the description box to prove it is my account. But that's how you people are you don't read the facts, you just skip on by them like they aren't even there. IDIOT!

Congratulations, its your account. How do I know you didn't post all those up to fabricate your online existance? Why all the dancing around one simple act of releasing the birth and wedding certificates? What are you really hiding?

Or is it really your account? Hacking isn't that hard, after all.

AND as you can see, that video was NOT just loaded today. I've had it there, since May of 09. I guess then, you are calling me a psychic. You are telling me I knew that I was going to come to this website and was going to need to prove myself, with video from Jamaica.

Wow, facts mean nothing to you losers! Unbelievable!

Uh, I hacked it…lolol

Can't take the truth eh?

The truth is you're a lying hacker who doesn't have the birth or wedding certificates. Therefore all your arguments are invalid and you should quit the board.

lolol, you would say that. Yeah, I posted them 5 months ago, so I can go out have have proof that I am not racist. SUUUURE!

Dancing around, as I said..we ain't running for the Office of the President, nor did we step into the position illegally.

NUFF SAID. You don't get those facts, then you are an inbecile!

The cases have been in full swing since last year, obviously you must've been planning this for some time. How can I believe anything you say if you're a lying hacker who refuses to produce a birth or wedding certificate?

I could care less about Holder, that does nothing for me, unless it is TRUE and I don't run with shit Iike that. The grandmother FIRST clearly states, that he was born in Kenya and she was there AT the birth, did you forget that? LOLOL

Plus you have the Mike in the Morning Show, that called the Kanyan Embassy and was told that Obama's was born there, as well. AND that his birthplace is marked already…lol
http://my.wrif.com/drewmike/index.php?s=kenyan+…

I've sent plenty to show that it is forged, but you refuse the FACTS, that is not my problem. I don't think I have been backed into a corner once here. You are delusional!

You have proved me wrong on nothing, JUST PURE SPIN…Shit, I'd like to see you on O'reilly, no how about my favorite Glenn Beck, he'd tear your ass up!

FU idiot. You guys are just upset cause I am making you look like complete idiots!

Face it YOU FAIL!

LOLOL, get a life you piece of shit. I ain't running for no damn office, so I ain't showing YOU shit!

Call me a racist all you want, but that doesn't explain all the FACTS I have showed you here, that you have no excuse for, now does it.

I don't need my birfoon friends, I'll take ya all on myself. You all suck at trying to state your case. LAMEEEEEEEEEE!

Yep, recognized the worthless arguments. O'Reilly, Beck, Limbaugh, the three stooges of LCD. And, they have cattle like you following their lies and made up theories. It is all too familiar, you don't have any proof, you yell the loudest and think you've got something. YAWN…let me know when you have something worthwhile…like about 2050.

Why do we fail, we got you doing exactly what we want you to do. Keep it up, we're laughing our butts off at you.

You are laughing because you look like total idiots.

You all bore me. No intelligence, whatsoever here!

Ta ta, you disgusting little rodents!

Alan Keyes summed it up when he said we must remove the usurper Obama “or the United States will cease to exist.”

Crazy man wholeheartedly agrees with other crazy man. Film at 11.

BITE ME!

Yeah and if you check out the current bills in Congress, you will see that they are TRYING to take those rights away. If Obama has his way, WE won’t be ABLE to be here, debating like this. That is what you all want.

The Cybersecurity Act of 2009, is on it’s way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBzASrDhocc&feature=channel_page

Uh huh, Disco was big around the early 70′s, when I was about 8. I still wear jeans I have from high school, so fuck off. If you only knew, loser.

I thought you didn’t go to blower sites. Hahaha LIAR!

Hello, you got a response to that?

I don’t get it????

I don’t, I just let others show how delusional they are. No need to look at BS theories and forged documents. Besides, I have the ace card, Obama’s our President and will be until at least 2012.

Oh heck no. In fact I wouldn’t let her do ANYTHING near me! I wonder how many false root canals she does in order to get her legal bills paid?

Yo Mantis,
What's your excuse for Alan Keyes' issue with Obamacorn?
I suppose he's a RACIST, lololol.
Can't use that card, this time!…hmmmm, are you LOST, head spinning, have no answer? Didn't think so!

No, it's not. It's all about Obama's lies, WITH PROOF! But then you don't like the truth.

YUUUUP! Same with Judge Carter in CA. There is a transcript from the sept case where he has a whole different tune, then from the Oct 5 case. Obama is probably threatening them.

We will pay Orly's fee's. Her donations are HUGE. They can try to stall this case and dismiss it as much as they want, but we will NOT stop. DEAL WITH IT!

Alan Keyes is a religious, carpetbagging nut who is still mad at Obama for beating him in the 2004 senate race.

One of my best friends gave birth to both of her kids when she lived in Hawaii & she said their Certificates of Live Birth look just like the one for the President.

Get over it & get a life…

Paranoia is a mental disease.

Alan Keyes has a right to fight this. Now that Obama has been found to be deeply connected with Acorn/SEIU, who is being investigated for voter fraud on over 14 states. It's all starting to make sense NOW, as to how he got elected. FRAUD, plain and simple!

hahaha

Animated world leaders

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX5VE5SOALs&feat…

Yaaawn

got anything new?

SEEMS TO ME THE WRITER IS DRINKING THE KOOL AID TOO!

FU Majority Will
You people have screwed this country up to the point of no return. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THIS THIEF OUT OF OFFICE BEFORE 2012, and before the completion of his civilian army. You really believe he's going to give you a hand out don't you? just wait until you don't get your “earned income credit' because you didn't buy health insurance and it is taken out of your tax return.
Then the joke is on YOU! LOL LOL

TOO MUCH KOOL-AID MAKES ME PEE

You are wearing red today, huh Orly?

Alan Keyes has great standing in this fight as do any candidate for president. If Barack Obama was ineligible, that would have changed the election focus.

A reasonable person could expect that Barack Obama would get rid of this nuisance, Orly Taitz, by showing the records that most people must show to get a job or a driver's license: his full birth certificate and school records to prove his application is true.
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The president is his most dangerous witness against himself. He is obviously hiding something and if that something is in his birth certificate and school records, it would be basically who he is and of what nation he belongs.

There is so much evidence against Barack Obama that Orly Taitz would do well to concentrate on the minimum by focusing on his birth and citizenship. That could include his sss registration which appears to be created illegally because he did not need to register for selective service in 1980 because he was an Indonesian citizen on a student visa to America. It could also include the grant he applied for and took that was available only to foreign students. Then people would not become overwhelmed with all the accusations and evidences of other possible allegiances.

Charges and evidences, court style, are available at http://www.divine-way.com/forgery_evidences_sss…

All citizens need to encourage Barack Obama to end this controversy; and get this behind him.

Why?

you birthers are much too entertaining.

“Alan Keyes has great standing in this fight as do any candidate for president. If Barack Obama was ineligible, that would have changed the election focus.”

LOL yeah, right. He wasn''t even on all the state ballots.

Give me a break.

If it wasn't Obama, then it would have been Hillary.

either way, no one would have voted for Keyes.

Perhaps that is a good way to spend your time while you wait for your check.

“he did not need to register for selective service in 1980 because he was an Indonesian citizen on a student visa to America.”

You are delusional.

At least I'm employed

Wow! And I guess the O man gets credit for that? Wise Up.

Orly is happy to hear it.
BTW I have incontroverible, unimpeachable evidence that Obama is a Kenyan!
Please send $250 money order or cash
or click on http://www.lickmytaintz.com to use your credit card, and I will send you the SMOKING GUN as well as an autographed photo of Orly. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! ——-act now —-limited offer—

Hey, spacey, I’ve done you one better: I’ve been to HipHopRepublicans.org to learn all about this rare and self-loathing phenomenon. I haven’t laughed so hard in ages! Now back to your husband’s documentation: What are you hiding?

Fuck you waitin for, dipshit!

Perhaps you’ll get some interest in the July court date transcript, since all you see are the leftwing crack sites. Get the REAL truth from the REAL transcript. I like this judge, he wants the case on IT’S MERITS!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/20757906/Keyes-Transcript-07-13-09

wow, you sure are thin-skinned. But I know what you mean. When I first went to the site I thought it had to be a joke, right? But it’s REAL ! That’s when I REALLY laughed. It’s tailor-made for you Birfer clowns! Keep up the freakshow, spacey! I love free entertainment!!

Let's settle this then.

If Obama is hiding something, if he isn't releasing a document that anyone can get, why hasn't Orly submitted a 1961 long-form birth certificate recently acquired from someone else born in Hawaii?

If this is about protecting the Constitution, can someone show me where a person is guilty until they prove themselves innocent? I would expect that kind of legal system in Iran where they are doing mass trials without due process for election protesters who were arrested, but the American system of jurisprudence puts the burden on the accuser, not the accused.

PRESIDENT OBAMA CAUSES A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS IN THE USA

AXJ-INTERNATIONAL
7TH OF AUGUST OF 2009

Apparently Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, II is causing a constitutional crisis in the United States as a case about his true birth place and nationality is being studied by Judge David O. Carter of a small court in Santa Ana, CA. USA, who is deciding whether to admit a case to discovery and trial on the merits in January 2010, regarding the documentation provided by Mr. Obama to Congress to prove his eligibility to occupy the Office of the President of the United States Federal Government.

The problem has become very serious simply because since January of this year Mr. Obama has systematically refused to publish the long form of his supposed birth certificate proving he was in fact born in the State of Hawaii in the United States in 1961.

Many so called “Birthers” believe among other things that Stanley Ann Dunham was not actually Mr. Obama's biological mother, and that she was not physically in Hawaii in August of 1961. In fact to date no Doctor nor witness living in Hawaii in 1961 has come forth to prove that Mr. Obama was in fact born in any hospital in Hawaii and no birth record exists. (Source: AXJ-HAWAII)

To make things worth Mr. Obama has only supposedly published a so called Certificate of Live Birth with apparently is fraudulent, and yet no one has actually seen the real document. We must remind our members that a document published on a website on the internet is not a real document nor can it be used in a court of Law.

The only documents that mention Mr. Obama are divorce documents which supposedly Ms Stanley Ann Dunham presented in 1964 to divorce Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, I, but no marriage certificate has been found, nor was Mr. Obama Sr. ever served such documents, added to the fact that he could not legally marry any woman in the United States since he was already married to another woman in his native Kenya. (Source AXJ-KENYA).

AXJ-USA has published the following supposed photographs which simply do not seem real to many so-called “Birthers”.

The problem is not that Mr. Obama may have possibly been born in Kenya in 1961, the problem is that according to the US Constitution of 1787, ARTICLE II cleary states in paragraph “4. No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President…”

Therefore, if Mr. Obama cannot prove to a Jury, (if the case goes to discovery and trial on the merits), that he was in fact born in the United States and is eligible to occupy the office of President, he must resign and all the laws, orders and agreements he has signed while in office will be null and void.

AXJ-INTERNATIONAL cannot and will not get involved in the decision of the court of competent jurisdiction in the United States of America, but can and will request that the civil and political rights of all citizens and persons resident and visiting the United States be respected.

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“If Obama is hiding something, if he isn't releasing a document that anyone can get, why hasn't Orly submitted a 1961 long-form birth certificate recently acquired from someone else born in Hawaii?”

Recently aquired meaning that it was issued by the state in the last two years.

(So the Nordyke twins certs don't count)

That was my drift, correct. Thank you for helping me clarify.

Auntie, you NAILED it with Monty Ponty———perfecto

Reasonable people discern that Alan Keyes is a professional crank. He has zero credibility outside of your tinfoil hat brigade, ergo he had nothing to lose by going along with your group delusion.

Impotent rage, coming from you and Keyes

I'd rather have impotent rage, than impotence!

Yeah babeeeee…

Nahhh, you guys here, are BORINGGGGG!

Right on the money, AXJ!

Hillary brought up the Kenya issue, WHY?

“The Kenya issue” LOL!

Um, the phrase means that impotence causes the rage, Einstein

I think you have it backwards: Birfers are here to do the entertaining…

Let's see: Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas , Michael Steele and…your husband. check. We have finally identified the only 4 black Republicans in existence. I knew there was one more floating around out there…

Let's see…delusional rant about “citizenship?” Check.

Nonsense about a constitution that he's never read? Check.

Insisting that the legitimacy of the President hinges on a jury trial, despite having no law to support such stupid nonsense? Check.

No legal authority for ANYTHING he believes in? Check.

A completely delusional misreading and misunderstanding of the Constitution? Check.

Insisting that the burden of proof lies with the defendant and not with the plaintiff, despite the fact that this isn't “Alice in Wonderland?” Check.

Repeating debunked lie after debunked lie, all the while hoping that people who are sane won't realize that he's lying? Check.

A complete lack of even the slightest bit of evidence to support anything he claims, yet being so delusional that he sees absolutely nothing wrong with that? Check.

All the elements are there. I guess this really is a delusional birfer post.

Why should he? Birfers are much too stupid (and therefore much too entertaing) for anyone to stop them now, and Orly's way too dumb to realize that the entire judicial system is having a great big laugh at her expense.

Of course, she IS too stupid to sign her name to a pleading, so I guess we shouldn't be too surprised.

A homeless man on the street corner summed it up when he said “You need to wear a tinfoil hat like me, so the aliens won't steal your brainwaves!”

If you buy a New car and pay by check and the check bounces you have to come up with the money you said was in your checking account when you gave up the check for the purchase, or give up the New Ride and suffer the consequences. Well, Barry )o( wrote his check saying he was a Natural Born American Citizen, Pelosi cosigned that check, and now that check bounced. So now he has to pony up the facts of give back his new home. Hiding the fact his Constitutional bank account is without funds does not save him from being a usurper.
Natural Born = Born of Blood and Soil
The Blood of both parents, American Citizens at his birth & that birth on American Soil.
Daddy )O( was never an American Citizen. He never tried nor wanted to become one. He was a Kenyan Brit.
Being a British Subject and under the British Nationality Act of 1948 his new born )o( in 1961 was born a British Citizen as soon as he came out into the world.
If you are born to a foreign parent and, or, are born a foreign citizen you can never be a Natural Born American Citizen. (see John Jay's letter to George Washington dealing with adding Natural Born to our Constitution).
And “citizen” as in the 14th Amendment, and the phrase “Natural Born American Citizen” are not the same thing. A citizen can be a Senator, Congressman, or a Governor but not a President. The founding fathers were very clear about this. They had British parents and were not born American citizens. So they had to add “unless you are a citizen of the US at the time of the adoption of this Constitution” in order for one of them to be able to hold the office of POTUS. The first 10 Presidents used this language. Baby )o( was not a citizen 232 years ago so that language can not be used by him. His foreign daddy and his British Citizenship from birth makes the office of POTUS out of his reach except by lies and deception. Wake Up America! Our future is in our hands. Yell the truth from the roof tops! United we stand divided we fall.

There is no case law that supports your interpretation of natural born citizen.

Not only is nothing you wrote even remotely true, it barely makes any sense.

Like most birfers, you don't have any legal authority, facts, or evidence to support anything you say. Of course, since birfers don't know anything about the law I'm not really all that surprised.

Edjumacate yo self boy-eee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-Am…

Well you have to admit, magicman seems to have squeezed out some blood sweat and tears working up the hapless and lame check bouncing metaphor. True, it was shoehorned into the usual mouthbreather “chain-of-logic” fallacy, but at least he tried to gussie it up a little for our entertaiment. I know, I know: FAIL

That's actually past and present. Here's one where you can find current black republicans:

http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=home….

As if you are interested. Don't care if you are, just wanted to make you look the liar!

Later…

…still waiting…

“There is so much evidence against Barack Obama that Orly Taitz would do well to concentrate on the minimum by focusing on his birth and citizenship.”

You're right about the evidence part…after all birfers have not just one, but TWO Kenyan birf sertifikats. Combine those with the voices in Orly's head and the birfers have a slam-dunk case.

So why should anyone trust a MARIJUANA ADDICT, huh?!?!

And, more importantly, why wouldn’t someone who like you relax, smoke a little, and think calmly and rationally about these issues? What’s with the paranoia?

“severely disturbed person”? WTF? Dave, that's way too much of a politically correct way to describe Oily. Don't you know that repubs don't believe in that stuff. Oily Taint is bat shit crazy!!

You forgot to mention the self-sourcing to “bureaus” from “around the globe” that are part of his “international” shitty little blog. I thought that was the most pathetic thing of all.

“AXJ-INTERNATIONAL” must be one of the saddest, loneliest guys in the world.

During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. How can a “natural born citizen” of the United States be governed – at birth – by British law? The issue is that Obama has admitted to dual Nationality. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” by his own admission! Obama cannot legally be President of the United States and he knows this!

“AXJ” is truly a special kind of pathetic. Like a lot of birfers, he keeps hoping that people will click on the links to his shitty, crapware-infested website for the privilege of reading more of the same garbage that he spews here. I've never clicked on any of his links and I never will; needless to say, his website can go straight to Hell.

It is as simple as this. The fix is in. Since the last court proceedings, the Obama forces have been working overtime to “convince” Judge Carter that it would be a BIG MISTAKE for HIM (personally) to allow this case to continue. They have gotten to him just as I predicted they would. If he allows the case to continue, he knows that he will be attacked and ruined. Or worse. These people will continue to use threats, intimidation and general terror tactics to continue to shut down any legal examination of the facts surrounding Obama's origins. Who can't see this?

I mean, it has now gone so far that even a statement by a former senator that he isn't “sure” that Obama was US born will provoke attacks. It is now a crime against the new social order to even express that one is not quite certain about Obama credibility.

It IS definitely over folks. The government is no longer even slightly functional in overseeing the rights of the citizenry or the authority of the Constitution. Turn the page. Forget it. We're done. The courts have failed us in this entirely. Our only hope now is a Constitutionalist motivated military takeover and removal of the usurper. I wonder what the catalyst for that will be. So many possibilities coming down the pike.

Nice, there, rantwulf. Can't get the courts to ignore the law, the constitution, and SCOTUS precedence, you now advocating a military takeover. Let's see, who should we call…who the heck is in charge of the military? I know, it's the CIC! Now rantingwulf, do you even know who the CIC is? Or, are you just so dumb we might as well assume that you don't know…just like you don't know the constitution…just like you don't know the laws…just like you don't understand SCOTUS opinions.

Red, you understand that America isn't beholding to other country's laws, correct?

Well, what do you know, SCOTUS answers that for you directly…

“As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, it follows that persons may have a dual nationality. 1 And the mere fact that the plaintiff may have acquired Swedish citizenship by virtue of the operation of Swedish law, on the resumption of that citizenship by her parents, does not compel the conclusion that she has lost her own citizenship acquired under our law. As at birth she became a citizen of the United States, at citizenship must be deemed to continue unless she has been deprived of it through the operation of a treaty or congressional enactment or by her voluntary action in conformity with applicable legal principles.”

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

Well look at that Red, SCOTUS says you CAN have dual citizenship. Has no affect on your American citizenship. Isn't that nice, you can sleep better tonight.

Rantwoof you DO have some choices: you can shop around for a new country whose laws/constitution are clear to you, you can stay here and STFU, or you can stay here and continue to talk about insurrection—should you choose the last option I urge you to take care you don't step over the line in your antiAmerican rhetoric because if you do I will advocate for rounding up you and any other traitors and shipping you one-way to Gitmo.

“Since the last court proceedings, the Obama forces have been working overtime to “convince” Judge Carter that it would be a BIG MISTAKE for HIM (personally) to allow this case to continue. They have gotten to him just as I predicted they would.”

Where's your proof, anonymous, idiotic, paranoid mouth breather?

“So many possibilities coming down the pike.”

Like you being charged with sedition or treason.

You will keep copying and pasting the same idiotic drivel on every article about birfoons like you. It doesn't magically make it true. But there is a saying about people who keep repeating the same thing over an over and over and each time expect a different result.

You are wrong. You have no credibility. You have no authority. But your delusional, paranoid rambling is mildly entertaining.

“that he was in fact born in the United States and is eligible to occupy the office of President”

He has to the satisfaction of people in authority that matter. You're not one of them and you never will be.

Keep it up, though. I'm going to make more popcorn.

OK, while we wait for the ruling. Here is a little transcript (not from court, but a third party) for your reading enjoyment.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/20658448/Barnett-v-Ob…

Then, a little post-game from outside the courtroom:

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/…

What's funny about the second one is the quote from Willy Drake: “Drake said that he has known Judge Carter for years and that his failure to move the case forward was an illustration of the “emasculation” of a former marine.”

So, how well does he really know the Judge?
From the court transcript of the September 9 hearing:

[Carter] I believe I met Pastor Drake in the 1990s when a young Marine named Beetle Bailey passed away.

Pastor Drake, I think I recognize you. And I think that the lst Battalion 9th Marines had a memorial at your church when Beetle Bailey had passed away. I don’t recall ever having any other acquaintance or association with you, have I?

Pastor Drake: No sir. Other than that.

Orly logic at its best!!! LOL

“Beetle Bailey?”

WTF?

“Our only hope now is a Constitutionalist motivated military takeover”

How un-American of you.

You could almost count the minutes before they started with the: “The fix is in” nonsense.

What a bunch of cry-babies.

Not Gitmo, one of the FEMA camps. I hear there's one up in the UP of Michigan that is “quite chilling” in the winter.

Hey, you can't make this stuff up. Guess his parents liked the comics.

This idiotic, pointless, evidence-free, fact-free rant is just the type of stupid bullshit that makes everyone laugh at what a bunch of delusional morons the birfers are.

Once again the birfers show themselves to be the stupidest people on the planet…but really, what else could you expect when Orly Taitz is your leader? A bunch of idiots that know nothing about the Constitution, evidence, or any other area of law following an equally deluded moron that knows even less than they do.

But Beetle Bailey is was in the Army, not the Marines.

Maybe he meant Gomer Pyle.

OK, now Orly asks the government attorneys to start discovery immediately. The response is one of the most famous in the annals of US History…”Nuts!”.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/du…

So, she's going to ask the judge to start discovery…like she'll get very far with that one!

If Lincoln is disbarred, how is he working as a clerk for Orly? Am I somehow mistaken with what disbarment means?

When a lawyer gets disbarred he can no longer hold himself out as a lawyer. However, he would still be free to do things like clerking and research tasks. As long as he doesn't actively “practice law” (the definition varies slightly from state to state) he probably won't run afoul of his state's bar association. Orly's gonna find out what disbarment is like soon enough.

Discovery has been granted and dates for hearing final. Cool.

BTW AXJ, check the wires before you comment. No discovery granted. Her application for expedited was denied.

So you are preaching sedition? You are advocating a seditious act against the lawfully elected government of the United States because the courts didn't rule the way YOU think they should have? You, who evidently believe everything that crazy foreign-born woman keeps ranting? If you can believe in her than you will believe anything. I will sell you a bridge I just happen to have over in Brooklyn.

And if you were correct, which you are not, several of our early presidents would not have qualified as they had a parent not born here. Go check it out. We seem to have survived those presidency's. We will do just fine in this one. If you crazy birthers would just go away. We need people helping these days and not tying up our courts with foolish and fraudulent lawsuits.

ALERT! ALERT! This is not a drill, repeat this is not a drill!

All Obama paid bloggers are to report for assignment to Operation Rogue Rabbit Roundup. Immediately report to your local ACORN or SEUI staging area. You will receive your assignment and be issued either cattle-prods or tranquilizer guns, depending on the training you received at Americorp camp.

The change in schedule is due to the fact that Orly and the Birther Movement are getting close to removing our Great Leader. We thought that paid bloggers and Alinsky methods would be enough to counter this heinous grassroots movement. They have proven to be a much more formidable opponent and we must move quickly to a Final Solution.

The Great Leader wants to thank all on these sites who assisted in drawing out these these non believers. They have been tagged and will soon be bagged.

PRAISE THE LEADER

P.S. Refreshments will be served after the roundup, which shouldn't take more than a few hours.

Well at some point after his Indonesian gig Soetoro/Obama made a choice concerning his citizenship & nobody can say for sure what that choice was or exactly what choices he had. The original BC & his college records would shed a lot of light on what his citizenship was & is. The Pakistan trip fits into it too as does at least one trip the Obama made to his birthplace Kenya.

Obama is 52 years old?
http://www.myspace.com/barackobama

Why is he playing games with the US public when it comes to the date of birth?

Thanks Tracy, AXJ has become a menace to the anti-birthers out there simply because they have stated the truth. Nobody has seen Obama's birth certificate and now he has sealed it. Why would anybody do that?

A reasonable person? That is obviously not you or the rest like you. You have no reason- you are devoid of reason. You very unreasonable people won't listen to reason, you won't listen to the officials who are in charge of vital records in Hawaii. You won't listen to the republican governor of Hawaii that the presidents documents are in order and he was born in Hawaii as stated and his Certificate of Live Birth states. You are the unreasonable people. Why is it the only time I have ever heard this kind of garbage surrounding a president is when it is a black president? Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, born to an American woman on American soil. That this garbage is still going on indicates how deep the hatred of our first black president within many of you who keep this crap alive. Give it up. Go do something useful. Volunteer to feed the hungry or help the homeless, plant a tree or clean up a neighborhood, read to a blind person or better yet read for the blind radio or a book. Do something useful that is not taking up precious time of our courts and judges who have much more important things to do. Just give it up!!!!!

LOLOL, OMG…too fuckin funny.

Get this…the institution that AWARDS people for the Nobel Peace prize is The Norwegian Nobel Committee. The committee is composed of five members appointed by the Storting (Norwegain Parliament).

#1 Thorbjørn Jagland (Chairman) President of the Storting

Thorbjørn Jagland started his political career in the Workers' Youth League, and served as national leader from 1977 to 1981. is the youth wing of the Norwegian Labour Party. AUF was formed in April 1927, following the merger of Left Communist Youth League and Socialist Youth League of Norway. It's ideology is DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM!.

In 1998, four leaders and treasurers of Oslo AUF were convicted of fraud and jailed as part of the Workers' Youth League membership scandal. They were found to have filed excessive membership numbers in order to receive increased municipal grants, and the court case revealed that most youth parties and their leaders had been engaging in this practice since the 1970s.[27] Jagland testified in the case and said it was not necessarily wrong to “advance” money for memberships, provided the members in question reimburse this fee later on. But he did testify that it was unacceptable to transfer money from AUF's main bank account to pay for membership fees. When pressed by the prosecutor, he also agreed that membership numbers were too high when he was the leader of AUF.

Since 1999, Jagland is also one of several vice presidents of the Socialist International. Jagland stated that the left wing in Norway does not use Socialist International enough. From 2000 to 2006, he chaired the Socialist International Committee on the Middle East, and he has outspokenly opposed the perceived presence of ISLAMOPHOBIA (hmmm) in Western societies.

#2 Kaci Kullmann Five (Deputy Chairman) Adviser Public Affairs

Not much on this one, cept that she is a Board Member of International IDEA. IDEA offers database access on topics as voter turnout, electoral system design, quotas for women and political finance laws and regulations.

HMMM, another Community Organizer!

#3 Sissel Rønbeck (Member) Deputy Director, Directorate for Cultural Heritage

Sissel Marie Rønbeck is a Norwegian politician for the Labour Party. Another Socialist/Communist!

#4 Inger-Marie Ytterhorn (Member) Senior political adviser to the Progress Party's Parliamentary Group

She seems ok, guess she was outnumbered by the Socialists!

#5 Ågot Valle (Member) Member of Parliament

Ågot Valle is a Norwegian politician for the Socialist Left Party. which is an alliance of the Socialist People's Party, Communist Party of Norway, Democratic Socialists – AIK and independent Socialists.

NEED I SAY MORE you Obamacornians? Socialism, that's all they want from Obama!

That explains it ALL! It wasn't fair minded people who voted. I feel much better now!

I think its time to make a VIDEO, this is GOOD info!

“AXJ has become a menace…” A murmuring, babbling, faceless herd of Birfers shouting at the sky with drool-gurgled, non-sequiter-laced syllabics while the world looks on with revulsion and the curiosity usually reserved for seedy carnival freakshows. As undifferentiated and faceless as they appear to the onlookers, they actually have an internal pecking order; evidently, they can tell each other apart—’this one is bold’——’this one has become a menace’ LOL …almost endearing…

Why do you keep posting this stupid nonsense when you don't have any proof to back any of it up?

At least you birfers can't get much dumber; you dummies have pretty much hit rock bottom intellectually.

Wait, wait, wait…his Myspace page? Really?

Is this what the birfer movement has sunk to? No actual evidence of anything, so they latch onto a social networking site where anyone can create a profile under any name that he (or she) wants? Seriously?

This is the BEST that birfers can do?

Well, it’s about as reliable as all of the other “evidence” that birfers claim is legitimate. I guess you better take a screencap of it and email it to Orly right away!

You make absolutely no sense at all, tracyCrackhead.

Motion to dismiss NOT granted! Trial date SET!

woohoo

I can't wait 'til the Obama Brown Shirts muzzle all of you whining little ranters. You can all whine and moan to each other in your FEMA camps, and we'll proclaim Obama Supreme Leader for Life as reward for cleansing our homeland of your incessant crybaby mewlings

Are you telling us that an usurper has created a myspace web page containing erroneous data without approval from the site itself and the White House?
Google link says that this is an official myspace page for Obama.
You would think that such a prominent web page would be scrutinized if an usurper had created it. Who would take a risk of posting a bogus information and risking a lawsuit from the White House?

Who would be dumb to create a fake site for the US president and put a bogus information?
Do you really believe that such a web site would be tolerated for this long had it not been an official one?

No explanations – just rants.
Why is Obama’s long form birth certificate hidden from public?

Well gosh NBC, I guess you’ve got me over a barrel there. I mean, not only did you manage to find Obama’s MySpace page, you also found it using the Google. That means that everything on the page is automatically true.

MySpace + Google = WIN

Somebody better get this damning, critical piece of evidence to Orly pronto. His MySpace page says that he’s 52! Do you know what this means? This is the crucial piece of evidence that will unravel the Obama scheme for world domination! Decades of planning, scheming, plotting, Kenyan birf sertifikats…only to be done in by his MySpace page. Oh the humanity!

And this post is in no way making light of your discovery. After all, every lawyer worth his salt knows that the information on a MySpace page is the best type of evidence that one can find, and is acceptable in any court of law anywhere in the country.

Dammit, Tom! We Obots will have your head for this!

Sorry, Tracy, the motion to dismiss hasn't been ruled on yet. The request for stay from discovery is denied. Orly has to wait for the judge to decide on the Motion to dismiss. You must be from the Orly school of “I don't know crap” there Tracy…or your reading comprehension is nil.

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/…

BTW, enjoy the comments underneath Tracy.

nc: “Why is Obama’s long form birth certificate hidden from public?”

Hawaii state law, in fact it follows most state laws. Trying to cut down on identity theft…and another 9/11.

Sorry, Red, his BC says he was born in Hawaii, and as per the SCOTUS opinion above, it doesn't matter what his mother did or whether or no he was adopted. He is an american citizen until HE says he isn't sometime after his 18th birthday. So, you're just beating a dead horse there.

Obama says on his myspace page that he is 52 years old. Check it out for yourself. Is this is not a proof that Obama is lying about his birth – what else do you need?

How old is he 48, 52? Which one is a LIE?

Both are posted on the web – the only way to verify his claims is to examine the original long form birth certificate.

Obama claims to be 52 years old – does it make any sense to you?

So,. NC, now you're so desperate you're using Myspace? What legal weight does that carry? None. But, hey, anything to get you excited before it's tossed. It just continues to show that you have absolutely no proof and you're just reaching for straws. BTW, don't tell females their Myspace ages are too low, that's a good way to get killed!

Unnatural citizen, what the hell are you babbling about?

Not the public, NC, just the blowers. Since Myspace has no legal weight, just another useless thing for you to get all excited about before Judge Carter delivers the beat down. But, hey, if it gets your crotch all moist, have at it!

Unnatural, your Myspace page says that you have execrement for brains: I rest my case—-let's see you rebut Myspace

Look at his official myspace.com page. It has a different claim for his age than COLB document.
You ridicule others – can you explain the information that is in plain view for everyone to see.

Are you suggesting that factcheck.org has legal weight?

I do not need judge Carter to tell me that Obama's birth information is a big LIE.

BWAHAHAHAHA…you've GOT to be the absolutely dumbest person I've ever had the pleasure of typing to. You don't need anyone to tell you it's a lie, because you just make up what you need when you need it. What you DO need is quit following Orly with your nose stuck up her butt like she's a b*tch in heat. But, that'll never happen, you enjoy it too much.

Oh, now he's complaining about the Myspace page having a different age. Of course, that was pointed out ages ago…but you know NC, he just discovered it and it's like the heavens parting for him. Just another useless thing he's going to throw out so he can talk in circles again.

I see, Baghdad Jim has no explanation – just rants.
Obama lied about his birthplace.

I see NC only has the ability to talk in circles and not the ability to do any critical thinking on his own. So, since he can't prove anything, all he's left with is calling people liars. My guess of you having the mental capacity of a 2-year-old was about right.

Tracy, Are you randwolf's sister? You both seem to talk to yourself a lot.

No one is really interested in what you say so i guess your Sybil conversations make sense.

Your stories are similar and not believeable and you are both good at cut and paste.

I think you are eating too much paste and it is affecting what little brain that remains.

“What else do you need?” I need a rightwinger with 2 braincells he can rub together & thereby generate a (albeit weak) signal! I can hardly believe that this crap is the best you imbeciles can come up with. spiraling downward before our eyes. If I'm going to bother rightclicking, puleese bring SOMETHING. We're gonna have to pull the plug soon if we don't see any brain activity on the moitor…

Obviously YOU are interested, or you wouldn't be replying!

WOMP WOMP WOMP

YEAH HE DID!

I thought “I” was the dumbest…

Ohhh drats!

Supreme Leader…lolol

You got that right, well be Iran before long!

Now Tracy, I have to admit you got me there. NC's just been working at it harder lately. I haven't given up on you yet, keep working on it.

And, I do appreciate you taking it as it was meant…too many think a message board opinion means something. It really doesn't.

That WOMP WOMP is the sound of the black helicopters coming to take you away, ha ha.

You better stock up on paste because when you come down you are not going to like what you see.

You Lost.
We Won.
Get Used To It.

I actually know a Jim who spent time in Baghdad, working for a certain former Commander in Chief. Last November he voted for Obama. Said that McCain was a poser!

COLB = 48 years old
MYSPACE = 52 years old

Who is lying?

I agree McCain is a poser.
How about Obama being a lier!

Baghdad Jim,
In your wisdom could you provide an argument for DoH to deny access to index records related to Obama's original birth certificate.
They would not privide the information whether a document has been submitted to them on August 8, 1961 (as COLB suggests).
Keep in mind – this is not a request for the actual certificate – just a registration logbook that would confirm that such activity took place. There is nothing private about it – just a name, date and vital event that took place.
There is a law in Hawaii (UIPA) that makes DoH index records public ones – available upon request by any citizen. There is even office (OIP) providing law assitance to the public.
The DoH can drag their feet for only so long before the truth comes out.

1. The Hawaii law (UIPA) makes index data public, yet a simple request for DoH index data for August 8, 1961 is being ignored.
Why?

2. There is no privacy protection when it comes to Obama’s birth certificate. He has waved his right to privacy by publishing the COLB document on the web.

3. What does 9/11 has to do with long form birth certificate?

1) I don’t care. They’ll figure it out eventually, even if they have to go to court.
2) That’s absolute BS. Your BC is yours to do with as you please, as long as you don’t use it illegally. Just because you show it, doesn’t mean your whole life becomes an open book for anyone to dig into it.
3) Do you need a history lesson on the new laws that were passed after 9/11? Why do you think that’s significant? Are you really that without a life outside your basement you forgot about it already?

Do you realize that your comment about Myspace can be equally applied to factcheck.org? Basically you are ridiculing Obama for posting document on the web and trying to pass it as legitimate one.
Thank you for making my point!

Since when is Myspace worthy as a source for information? LMAO!!

ummm…no.

The kool-aid drool needs to be wiped up too…

He can be a law office clerk, he just cannot practice as an attorney.

The fix is not in…all of these cases (and there have been many) have been or are in the process of being dismissed.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/docket/ All of them are listed here with links to court documents.

Judge Carter was pretty clear about what he'd do with the messages from the Birthers…which is where this case is headed. Which is a shame because the entertainment factor just keeps multiplying exponentially….

There is no equivalency between factcheck.org & Myspace and your failure to appreciate this speaks volumes about your inability to separate wheat from chaff. If there is an age discrepancy at “his” Myspace profile, as you claim, what does this prove? That POTUS has better things to do than peruse “his” freakin’ Myspace page to ferret out typos and errors—-and that’s IF you aren’t making this up! You would have had a great career in an earlier age divining portents from pigeon innards, you sad teabag.

You also forgot that Obama is the CIC. I know it is an annoying little fact to overcome, just like thinking the courts failed you when in fact the courts followed the law each time these cases were dismissed. But because it didn't go your way it's assumed the fix is in…but such is the life of a Birther.

Here is one more fact for you. The Defense (Obama) doesn't have to prove anything because in this country you are innocent until “PROVEN” guilty. And kangaroo grand juries and public forums are not courtrooms.

The only possibility coming down the pike is your 8×10 FEMA camp cell.

For legal purpose both web sites are equivalent.
You must be naive to believe that a prominent web site on Myspace (the only one reported as Official Obama’s Myspace page by Google) has been usurped by somebody posting bogus info on Obama.
We were told that Obama and his team were focused on web as a medium for outreach to the public.
I think that somebody on his team is maintaining the site.

Obotater

You cheated
election repeated
all Demcomms defeated
you'll need to get used to it, Big Time!

You see the little )o( was born in Kenya in 1957, when his mama got to Hawaii in 1961 she found one of the only two black guys living in Hawaii at the time and got him to marry her. The Marriage License is the only document Hawaii has on file about Obama's existence. He was listed as a preexisting offspring. They used the date of the License to create the “filed” but never “accepted” certificate of live birth. This is the biggest hoax ever put on the gullible people of America. My God we have to enact a law that prevents the Stupid from voting.

oldman: Your recent postings are even more juvenile than tracy's. That's pathetic.
Submit a real posting or don't bother.
Just stay in a fetal position until the next election and observe how democracy works, you mouthbreathing whiner.

Still juvenile, but at least you employed cognitive thinking to execute this drivel.
'A' for effort

You'll need more than cattle-prods and tranquilizer guns me buckos. WE got “teeth”!

Since when is factcheck.org source for legitimate information? Does their opinion count in the court of law?

Which web site is telling the truth – factcheck.org or Myspace?
Where is the proof?

Ankle-biters are annoying but a rolled up newspaper is usually enough to send them under the couch whimpering.

If you have teeth they were probably paid for by Medicare.

What makes you think that is his official MySpace page? You could have set that up yourself.

Google “Myspace Barack Obama” and see for yourself. The only link that returns the attribute “official”.
Who would be stupid to put a fake web site of a Nobel Prize Winner on MySpace with incorrect information on the front page? Do you think that such thing would be unnoticed/tolerated by the White House staff and MySpace?

No, I’m ridiculing the birfer movement because this WND-manufactured MySpace conspiracy, pathetic though it may be, is the only thing that even comes close to evidence.

First of all, those two sites have completely different purposes; you do know that factcheck is not a social networking site, don’t you? And you do know that there is no way to actually post a physical document on the internet, don’t you?

Never mind. You don’t have to answer those questions. Everything you write just proves that even when birfers manage to use correct English and punctuation they still have no idea what the hell they’re talking about. The only thing they do is manage to make absurd comparisons between two things that have nothing in common and sound like idiots in the process. Of course, that’s what I and the other sane people have been saying all along and we now have your posts as evidence.

Thank you for making fools of yourselves!

Actually, Hawaii presented “proof” of his Hawaii birth when they issued the BC. My point is even simpler…Hawaii is the recorder of birth. Unless you can prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii and Hawaii is lying, which you’ve never even come close to doing, then you’ve got nothing. Besides, no one has to make you happy NC, you’re a nobody. All we have to do is watch you continue to squirm and throw out useless facts that prove nothing. Entertainment at its best!

First they tell the public how Obama’s campaign is using Internet to reach the audience – now you are telling me that we should discount the Myspace page.
OK – than we should discount the factcheck.org too.
Obama decided to present the physical copy only to anonymous people behind the factcheck.org – he did not invite all interested journalists to actually see the document.
Factcheck.org has been proven wrong when it comes to Obama citizenship status. Their fact checking was sloppy.
In addition. they never claimed that the COLB was compared with the original version or even index data stored by DoH. They did not compare it with the hospital registration file.

I’m not telling you to discount the MySpace page. Since the birfers can’t present any other credible evidence of anything they claim, feel free to count that page as much as you want to, as it is literally the only thing close to evidence that birfers have to go on.

As a matter of fact, I think Orly should include the MySpace paradox in her next brief. After all, this was the same woman who cited to an online AOL poll as to why Obama should release his “real” birf sertfikat, so why should hanging her case on the unimpeachable veracity of a MySpace page be any different?

As far as everything else you said, none of it matters because no birfer has ever been able to prove that the COLB posted online is fake. Birfers have filed nearly 40 court cases and you’ve been laughed out of court every time because you birfers can’t seem to understand that the burden of proof remains solely on YOU and no one else. Why is that so difficult for birfers to understand?

You keep saying that factcheck has been “proven wrong.” So what? The only people that care about that are birfers who have no other evidence of anything they claim. If you think that fact is legally relevant, then be sure to tell Orly to mention that in her next frivolous lawsuit; I’m sure the next judge could use a good laugh before he kicks yet another frivolous birfer lawsuit out of court.

Well, Unnatural, sounds like you’re convinced you’ve got yourself a Smoking Gun right smack in the middle of the www for everybody to see.
Good luck with that, impotent raging ‘bagger.

I looked into my crystal ball and I see the future. Next week Judge Carter will toss Orly and her case out to the garbage heap where all the other Birther cases have gone. Orly will then demand Judge Carter resign or be removed, call him an idiot accuse him of treason and accuse “the Obama brown shirts” of conspiracy and of manipulating the courts (and everyone else who opposes her) . Followed by probably calling (yet again) for the military to openly revolt and remove the imposter BO by force. She will probably go on such a high pitched babbling rant in the courtroom that the Judge will charge her with contempt and (hopefully) throw her ass in jail, and or have her disbarred just like that assistant of hers.

Shall we wait and see???

Obviously you think Myspace is credible if you think I'm suggesting the bio is bogus. Are you completely sure it's “HIS” page and he updates it? I could care less, as I said…”Since when is Myspace worthy as a source for information? LMAO!!”

Who cares what his myspace page says…it's a social networking site not a research outlet…and who said anything about Factcheck? I didn't…neither did anyone else you're throwing that at…

Hope your meds were not switched with your kids skittles.

That site has been used by Obamabots as a proof of his Hawaiian birth.
How many “facts” did they really check?
It is ok for Obamabots to pick and chose which web site can be used to prove Obama’s birthplace/age. In my mind none of them have any legal weight.

Well, the state of Hawaii does say he was born there. So, we’ll take their “facts” over your delusions any day of the week. Your mind is not at all legal, so keep it up.

Cute comment…not very original, but cute none the less…

Well, given that she continues to do the same thing out in GA…(Which I still do not understand how a non-ABA attorney from a non-accredited correspondence law school can be the lead attorney in any case outside of California) I can see her doing it here in California too…but then again this is the O'Rly show and the entertainment value is unprecedented! ;)

I know all good things come to an end, but this is one side show that I'll enjoy as long as possible!

At least Tracy's are humorous…

You may have teeth, but leaving them in the glass beside your bed doesn't count. ;)

LMAO!!…

Judge Land admitted her pro hac vice for that case only. After reading his order a few weeks ago, it almost seems like he admitted her for the sole purpose of performing an epic smackdown. He probably heard that she was a delusional moonbat fucktard and wanted to see if rumors were true, but he probably didn't think that her behavior would be so unprofessional and unethical that he would have to sanction her.

No, you’ve got it wrong again (big surprise, right? A birfer getting something wrong? That NEVER happens!). The document posted on that site is proof of his natural-born citizenship. The website itself isn’t evidence of anything. The website is merely a medium for displaying the image. There’s a difference, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand. You are a birfer, after all.

“In my mind…”

Too good to pass up, but I will anyway. I hate the way these damn columns get so narrow. It makes it (almost) impossible to make fun of what you and the other birfers think is evidence.

The factcheck.org was used to present the “proof” of Hawaiian birth.
My point is simple: Neither factcheck.org nor Myspace cannot be used for verification of Obama's birthplace or age.
The Myspace page is the only one returned by Google that qualifying the link as the “official page”.
I have no way of checking who is behind the page. I'll take Google's word for it – that is the best information available to the public. I believe that somebody on Obama's staff is maintaining the Myspace page.
We have been told many times how Obama's campaign is very resourceful when it comes to use of Internet to reach his supporters. A social networking site fits that purpose perfectly.

Actually, Hawaii presented “proof” of his Hawaii birth when they issued the BC. My point is even simpler…Hawaii is the recorder of birth. Unless you can prove he wasn't born in Hawaii and Hawaii is lying, which you've never even come close to doing, then you've got nothing. Besides, no one has to make you happy NC, you're a nobody. All we have to do is watch you continue to squirm and throw out useless facts that prove nothing. Entertainment at its best!

Not Birth Certificate, but COLB, which was not sufficient proof of Hawaiian birth for at least one state agency in Hawaii unti June 2009 – when the rule was changed.

Not changed, just said the same thing a different way you increasingly lame idiot. The COLB is Hawaii's BC, and since you have no say in Hawaii's laws, that leaves you out in the cold. Again. Why don't you try a new tact, how about “discovering” a BC from Alpha Centauri? At least it would be interesting.

If it was the same thing, why use different language?
Hawaii DoH ignores laws on books that allow citizens public access to DoH Index data.
Also, letter from AG Benett to Dr. Fukino, used by her to issue a press release in July 2009 to proclaim Obama a “natural-born American citizen”, was supposed to be filed in State archive within 3 days of issuing and be made available to public upon request.
Yet DoH has denied access to it. The law says that legal opinion issued by AG to heads of departments is a PUBLIC document. There is no client attorney privilege.
Thewre would be NO need for these games if Obama was really born in Kapiolani. There would be no need for State officials to play games with the public.
We are talking abouteligibility for highest office in the land – there should be no doubts whether candidate is eligible or not.

Obotater, Don't you think Orly's cute. I would mind her coming in my court.

Obot Steve? you still in Jr. high?

Careful, oldman, they call him “Tater Salad”. And we already knew that you thought Orly was cute, no gal with brains would have you.

We don't have to prove a thing “HE” does! He had to prove he was eligible when he and Nancy Pelosi filled out the DNC papers which they did fraudulently, This is a conspiracy, we just don't know large and widespread it is. Two or more people make a conspiracy there is no limit as to how many can be involved. Somebody's going to jail but it just may well be a very large group. Looks like they are going to have to build Obot Gitmo maybe we could work out a deal with China. Seems they all want to live in a Communist Country. If they agree to renounce their American Citizenship they could assimilate into the Chinese culture, Oh Yea! Barry wont have to do that! He was never an American Citizen in the first place. Property values in China will hit the floor. There goes the neighborhood!

Thanks, oldfullofit, he's proven it by a Hawaii BC, verified by Hawaii officials as Obama being born there. That makes him a Natural Born Citizen, via SCOTUS…who tend to know and understand the law much better than you. He has been accepted by Congress, SCOTUS, the electoral college, a majority of the american people and is now legally our POTUS. You just got slobber dribbling down you chin. Good luck getting that admitted into evidence.

Jim, will you really be upset when the Federal Marshals put Chains on his wrists and drag him reading “screaming” off his teleprompter! That will be CHAINS we can all believe in!

Oldmagicman you ate a few too many of those magic mushrooms and they fried your brain- left it a little scrambled. You don't seem to understand. The people who bring the case must also bring the evidence. There is no credible evidence to be brought so this case is going to keep gettting tossed, time after time after time. That Oily Taters is not someone you should be hanging all your hopes on either because not only is she probably certifiable she is a very poor excuse for an attorney. If she continues to tell people they should take up arms against the lawfully elected government she might find herself back in the country she came from or living on the taxpayers dime in one of those fine US establishments commonly refered to as a “graybar hotel”. When she makes such statements and urges people to take up arms against the government it's called sedition. If something is done by one of the people that has been listening to her she may just end up being held responsible too. She isn't smart enough to realize she can't do that evidently. It's one thing to talk about the government, quite another to take up arms against it.

What's the matter orlymagicman…are you mad that I called you out on your incompetence? Maybe all of your split personalities should put their heads together, learn how to read, and give the ol' Model Rules of Professional Conduct a quick read through. If you want to, you can do it now.

Go ahead. Your peroxide will still be here when you get back.

AMEN! PERIOD!

Oh we’ll PROVE IT, once they show it. They won’t show it, cause they know it will prove he wasn’t born here. JUST SHOW THE DAMN THING and get it over with!

Still living in the world that only exists in your imagination, oldhotair? Every once in a while you should come out of that basement, be it to shower once in a while.

lololol

“Chains you can believe in” Ah, you've been having that Mandingo fantasy again, you poofy old drooler? The one where you have the uppity black buck back in chains like the good ol' antebellum days and then you can have your way with him? you're probably old enough to remember dem days, huh? Don't worry, when you stop thrashing about with the foaming mouth routine we'll give you a decent burial in a sturdy, Confederate flag-lined coffin

oldsenileman thinks we are all children because he is so frickin' ancient, evidently

As promised a little history about Judge David O. Carter

Behind that sweet soft spoken demeanor lies a real Judge, nicknamed “King David” and “nominated by President Bill Clinton on June 25, 1998 to fill a seat vacated by William J. Rea. Carter was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 21, 1998, and received his commission the following day.”

So obviously there was no forum shopping on the part of Orly Taitz so that is out of the question.

But what is this man really thinking? He knows OBAMA's future as President of the United States and now International Nobel Peace Prize winner's fate is in his hands.

Does he deny the Attorney General's motion to dismiss this case and proceed with discovery, or does he wash his hands like Pilatus did?

He knows the US Constitution is above every institution in the land and THE AMERICAN PEOPLE created it and the government they are now denouncing for fraud and treason against the American People. Will his decision be the spark of another civil war? Must he realize he is in that position precisely because THE PEOPLE have put him there and he owes his allegiance to the Flag and THE PEOPLE for which it stands?

He probably does know all this and more and although he may have thousands of friends around the United States and abroad, this is the loneliest moment of his career and life.

He know all of Congress and his friends and peers are watching his evey move and will read every word he writes.

Actions speak louder than words and although he has the weight of the world on his shoulders right now, he must be just and impartial and must let this case move forward and let THE PEOPLE decide. He cannot prejudge it before it is tried on the merits as promised.

The documentation Orly Taitz has presented is very serious. If true it will be more dangerous for this great country not to have acted now and let this cancer continue.

For once in his life Judge Carter is silent. Is still. Is thinking.

Let us THE AMERICAN PEOPLE stand beside him and guide him to make the best decision for all of us.

Unfortunately Judge Carter, this time it is black or white, yes or no.

Do you continue with this trial or prolong the suffering for THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

WE MUST KNOW THE TRUTH.

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*David O. Carter (born 1944 in Providence, Rhode Island) is a United States District Court Judge for the Central District of California. Assumed office October 22, 1998, Nominated by Bill Clinton, Preceded by William J. Rea, Born March 28, 1944, Providence, Rhode Island.

Biography

Carter is a “Double Bruin,” having received both his bachelor's degree (B.A. cum laude 1967) and his law degree (J.D. 1972) from the University of California, Los Angeles.

After graduating from college, Carter enlisted in the United States Marine Corps. He was promptly dispatched into service in Vietnam during the Vietnam War where he fought in the Battle of Khe Sahn in 1968. Carter was released as a First Lieutenant following his service in Vietnam. His military awards and decorations include a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart.

Carter began his legal career as an Assistant District Attorney with the Orange County District Attorney's Office in 1972 where he became the senior deputy district attorney in charge of the office's homicide division. As a prosecutor, Carter was the initial prosecutor and filed charges in the case of serial killer William Bonin, also known as “The Freeway Killer,” who became the first person executed by lethal injection in California in 1996.

In addition to his judicial functions, Carter now performs a wide array of speaking engagements. He has lectured fellow judges through the California Judges College, the Judicial Criminal Law Institute, and the Ninth Circuit Judicial Conference. He also speaks frequently with judges abroad, including past engagements in Brazil, Bosnia, China, The Philippines, and Malawi. Carter finally teaches an undergraduate course on the international narcotics trade at the University of California, Irvine, where he has three times received the school's Distinguished Professors Award, and has taught with the Whittier Law School's Summer Abroad Program.

[edit] Judicial career

[edit] Orange County Superior Court

In 1981, Carter joined the bench as a Municipal Court Judge in Orange County, California. One year later, he became an Orange County Superior Judge, a position that he held until joining the federal judiciary in 1998. Carter initiated a variety of programs to assist in the rehabilitation of convicted felons, including a tattoo removal program for gang members, and was active in planning the county's Law Day festivities. He earned the nickname “King David” from attorneys while serving as the Supervising Judge of the court's Criminal Division.

[edit] United States District Court

Carter was nominated by President Bill Clinton on June 25, 1998 to fill a seat vacated by William J. Rea. Carter was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 21, 1998, and received his commission the following day.[1] He now sits in the Southern Division of the Central District of California in Orange County, California. His courtroom deputy clerk is Kristee Hopkins.[2]

As a jurist, Carter is known for his acute intellect, courteous judicial demeanor, tireless work ethic, and expertise in complex criminal litigation.[3] Although he is assigned to the Central District of California, Carter also regularly sits by designation in the District of Idaho and on occasion with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and in the District of Guam.

Notable cases

[edit] Gay-Straight Alliance (Colin ex rel. Colin v. Orange Unified School District)

In the first ruling of its kind, Carter issued a preliminary injunction in 2000 ordering Orange County public school officials to allow a Gay-Straight Alliance club organized by students to meet on campus. In so doing, Carter held that the Equal Access Act, 20 U.S.C. §§ 4071-4074, requires a public high school that accepts federal funding and established a limited open forum for non-curriculum-related student groups must allow a student group promoting tolerance for homosexual persons to meet on campus.[4]

The case settled after Carter issued the injunction, with the school board agreeing to recognize the Gay-Straight Alliance organization. Although the case was politically controversial, Orange County School Board member Linda Davis later admitted at a board meeting on November 18, 2000 that Carter's legal ruling was correct when she stated, “We know the law is on their side, but our community members don't want it.”[5]
[edit] Mexican Mafia Trials (United States v. Fernandez, et al.)

Between 2000 and 2001, Carter presided over the longest criminal trial in the history of the Central District of California.[6] This case involved the prosecution of more than forty alleged members of the Mexican Mafia on charges of murder, attempted murder, conspiracy to murder, extortion, robbery, and various drug trafficking and firearms crimes. Much of the case involved a triple homicide that occurred in 1998.[7]

The case was severed into three trials, with Carter presiding over each, and lasted for a combined 18 months. Following the conviction of Mariano “Chuy” Martinez on murder charges, the prosecution sought the death penalty, making it the first capital case to be tried in Los Angeles federal court since 1950.[8] A jury ultimately spared Martinez, sentencing him instead to life imprisonment.

[edit] Anna Nicole Smith (In re Marshall)

In 2002, Carter awarded over $88 million in damages to former Playmate Vickie Lynn Marshall, better known as Anna Nicole Smith, in the battle over the estate of her late husband, billionaire J. Howard Marshall. The case came to Carter on appeal following a federal bankruptcy court ruling that awarded Smith $475 million of her late husband's $1.6 billion fortune.

Carter ultimately concluded that Howard's son, E. Pierce Marshall, interfered with Smith's attempts to collect her inheritance. “The evidence of willfulness, maliciousness, and fraud is overwhelming,” Carter wrote in his 54-page opinion.[9] Upon finding that Smith had a reasonable expectation that she would receive a portion of her husband's estate without interference, Carter held that Smith was entitled to collect $44.3 million in punitive damages and $44.3 million in compensatory damages against Pierce Marshall.[10]

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals vacated Carter's order on the grounds that he lacked jurisdiction to hear the case because federal jurisdiction interfered with Texas probate court proceedings.[11] The Supreme Court of the United States reversed the Ninth Circuit, concluding in a unanimous opinion that Carter properly exercised jurisdiction over Smith's claim and remanded the case for further proceedings.[12] With this jurisdictional issue resolved, the case is currently pending before the Ninth Circuit on substantive issues.

[edit] Aryan Brotherhood Trials (United States v. Mills, et al.)

Carter has been heavily involved in the proceedings arising from the 2002 indictment on racketeering charges of forty alleged members of the Aryan Brotherhood (“AB”), a notorious prison gang.[13] This indictment alleges that the AB ordered thirty-two murders over a twenty-three year period and charges forty-one AB gang members and associates with violations of the federal RICO Act.[14] Twenty-six defendants were eligible for the death penalty, making this the largest capital indictment in federal history.[15]

Twenty of the defendants charged in the indictment were assigned to Carter, including two of the three commissioners of the AB's federal faction, Barry “The Baron” Mills and Tyler “The Hulk” Bingham. Following a six-month trial, a jury convicted both Mills and Bingham of committing Violent Crimes in Aid of Racketeering (VICAR) and murder. The jury deadlocked on the death penalty,[16] and both have been sentenced and are now serving life terms at ADX Florence, the federal system's sole supermax facility.

The trials of several remaining defendants are currently ongoing before Carter and other judges in the Central District of California.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_O._Carter

youmustbejoking, really! Why do you think we keep the right to bare arms. You remember the evil Brits way back in 1776. You think the government is more important than we the people. Wrong!
Every swinging Dick Cheney out there works for us. They should have every slip of paper ever touched by this usurper scrutinized, analyzed, cataloged until such time we know everything that there has ever been to know about him and all his unAmerican associates. The situation today is far worse that taxation without representation. This is a coup d' etat!

Maybe I was wrong! Jr High was a few grades above present level! Get you a nice big tootsie roll, pretend and relax, it will be OK. We will get rid of that evil usurper without your help.
Probably Monday if Judge Carter gives us a helping hand.

65, ready for retirement, needs one last Big Case to go down in the history books. What a great opportunity! Write his own legacy and save America from a Communist coup in one smooth stroke. What could be better? Semper Fi!

OMG, you guys are truly certifiable. Barack Obama is our president, he is a citizen of the United States and was elected by the people. His policies are not that much different from other democrat presidents and yet I don't remember this kind of brouhaha over any other president. The one huge difference is his skin color. Nothing else. No matter how much a majority of you all insist it has nothing to do with race, that is the one thing that is drastically different in this presidency. Oily Taters and all the rest – and yes, even Keyes. He doesn't want someone of color in office that doesn't believe the way he does and isn't him. And he is crazy. There is no way on God's green earth that Keyes would have ever been elected president. He could have been running against the devil himself and still would have lost. Barack Obama as the candidate made no difference in how close Keyes would have made it to the White House. That's what makes his lawsuit so stupid. He didn't have a snowballs chance of even being the candidate, let alone winning. And no matter how much you all try to protest otherwise, methinks you doth protest too much. You can't stand to see the black man in the White House.
You might as well give it up, folks. You are crazy and you won't win. Cause there are way too many of us out here that know you are deranged racists.
I used to get a lot of laughs from some of the crazy stuff I have read but I am not laughing anymore. I think you people are dangerous and crazy and detremental to the health and well being of this country. YOU are the ones we should fear because like so many of the other crazies before you, you can't just take yourselves out, you always want to take innocents with you. YOU are the ones who are trying to do harm to the United States of America. You are the ones whose citizenship should be questioned. YOU are trying to tear this country down- not build it up. I hope it all catches up with you in the near future. I, for one, will be very glad when it does.

And by the way- you're no Marine. Marines have honor.

My! My! Quite a outburst? Me thinks you might think our good old Judge might have one more fight left in him. America has always survived by the few that fought to save the many. Just maybe history will once again repeat its self and save America in spite of the ignorant masses that seem to overpopulate our fair country today. Every day's a new day. I think I'll buy a new pair of shades!

I agree with you that these countrymen of ours are distructive and a dangerous symptom of the dark underbelly of our country.

There is a monster on the loose and it wants to put our head in a noose.

This is nothing new, they burned witches in Salem, and they have propageted down the generations. They have always been with us and we have always been there to push them back to the dark place they inhabit.

They can stirr up discontent and inspire others to violence but the cannot win and they know it.

Peace

AXJ you people are apparently under the delusional impression that this entire country is on pins and needles waiting for this “Most important decision even made in this country”. Duh… If that were the case it would be something that was MSM headline news every single day. Yet… the only thing that even makes the news are the slap downs and they are usually found on the entertainment pages or off in some little remote blurb. Why is that? Because this is no more MSM news than the exploits of Hollywood’s elite! Hell, Janet Jackson’s boob got more media attention when her costume malfunctioned than all this Birther nonsense put together.

And if you want to know the truth about what Judge Carter is really trying to decide, its what to do with this bat shit crazy nut case Orly Taitz who continues to make a mockery of the legal system by showing up in court making an ass of herself with nothing but hearsay and forgeries.

You watch, he is going to take action alright, but it won’t be against Obama, it will be against Taitz and hopefully put an end to her ever showing up in another courtroom and wasting public resources with her circus side show, slander, treason, and constant ethics violations again!

When a person is so intent on hiding identity records, it is because he has
something to hide. This president is hiding something that could have kept
him from being elected if known, or at least he thinks so. Where would you
hide if he were not black? If you are so sure he is eligible, then keep
after him until he ends this controversy by showing his simple identity
records. If he cannot figure out that a few letters could end close to a
million dollars worth of lawsuits, he has no business handling problems for
the United States of America.
Marie Devine
http://www.divine-way.com

Welcome to Orly's World. Thank god I escaped from Orange County years ago. There are more these wingnuts there than you'd imagine…

“quite an outburst”? wow oldcrazyman, you are definitely an expert on outbursts. Buy yourself some new shades, by all means. You'll need a pair with VERY rose-colored lenses, 'because the little world of hope you have built around persecuting POTUS will come to naught soon, and you'll need a very rosy outlook to cushion your despair—-or maybe just a new hobby.

Whether these screen-names hide Orly, or just her acolytes, one thing is for sure: you're gonna need plenty of aliases if one of your simleminded, easily-influenced followers gets off of their fat ass and decides that these epithets we see here constantly hurled at POTUS, such as “Evil Usurper”, are inspiration to go all Tim McVeigh and take a potshot at the Pres.
When that happens, it'll be a game changer for you sick, twisted clowns. I've already spoken to my congressman and both senators about you rage-twisted idiots and we've discussed a number of different scenarios for some consequences for this stuff. Stand by for further developments.

You're right about that. There are enough crazy people, crazy enough to try something really stupid out there without even more crazy people egging them on. I believe that is one of the things Judge Carter will slap Orly with when he gets her back in court.

Orlymagicman, I'm impressed. You actually responded with a complete sentence instead of a nonsensical rant! I have to say that I'm actually flattered; it's the best impersonation of a sane person that any birfer has ever done. You should try impersonating a sane person in court someday. It'll be great. You can pretend that you went to a real law school and everything!

I know it took at least two of your three brain cells to come up with that witty line about the tootsie roll, but you really shouldn't overdo it. After all, you still have more frivolous lawsuits to file, and more “evidence” to buy off of eBay…oops, I mean find through legitimate channels. It'll probably take the work of all of your split personalities to do it right, so you guys should probably get started.

“MarieDevine wrote, in response to youmustbejoking (unregistered):

When a person is so intent on hiding identity records, it is because he has

something to hide. This president is hiding something that have kept

him from being elected if known, or at least he thinks so. Where would you

hide if he were not black? If you are so sure he is eligible, then keep

after him until he ends this controversy by showing his simple identity

records. If he cannot figure out that a few letters could end close to a

million dollars worth of lawsuits, he has no business handling problems for

the United States of America. Marie Devine”

I have heard that same old tired statement for months. Prove it. Where is your information coming from? The president has had members of the Justice Department, who have salaries that we taxpayers pay for, because that is the job of the Justice Department. He may have private attorney's also, but I want to see proof that he has “spent millions to keep his records private”. You are aware that he must have attorney's show up in court every time another of these foolish lawsuits is filed aren't you? You can't just ignore them! And Oily Taters doesn't get an answer she likes in one court she runs off and files the same stupid stuff in another court. She is single handedly costing the taxpayers money hand over fist because we, the people pay for the court system. All because she doesn't like the answer.

And then you have the fact that he did bring forth a legal document that was provided to him by the State of Hawaii, a Certificate of Live Birth. But that's not good enough for you fools. It's good enough for the passport office, it's good enough for Social Security, it's good enough for everyone else, but not for you fools. And someone keeps this claim alive that he is spending millions. The record we are entitled to see is his birth certificate . Other records are private and no where does it say that he must provide the public with more than that. Again, he gave his birth certificate- but some of you don't want to except that. Even though the Dept. of Health in Hawaii and even the governor of Hawaii have repeatedly said he was born there. He is a citizen. HE IS ENTITLED TO BE PRESIDENT AND WAS ELECTED TO THE OFFICE. PERIOD END OF STORY.

What a load of crap. You truly are a mouth breathing idiot.

Take your “evidence” to court. Dumbass.

“The grandmother FIRST clearly states, that he was born in Kenya and she was there AT the birth, did you forget that?”

Bullshit. Debunked ad nauseam. Idiot.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

” . . . then you are an inbecile!”

Nice irony. Go get someone to explain what that means, little dipstick.

So now you’re going with the Rubber v. Glue argument? What a birfoon.

I choose to believe the Republican Governor of Hawaii and the DOH over a mouth breathing, paranoid, anonymous idiot on the intarwebs.

Okay, Monday morning, wonder if the batshit will hit the fan today? Lets think about what possible charges Judge Carter will slap Orly with. Barratry, contempt of court, making false accusations, multiple ethics violations including accusing all the Supreme Court Justices, all the members of the House and the Senate, the Attorney General and the POTUS of treason. Then there is incitement and openly calling for the violent overthrow of the entire US government, slander, making threats of legal action against anyone that opposes her, and practicing law outside her jurisdiction, just to name a few.

She’ll probably be hit with all of the above, and then some!

It does not change the fact that Obama is not a natural born citizen. He was dual citizen at birth.

It does not change the fact that SCOTUS disagrees with you. And since SCOTUS is the ultimate final authority on our laws and constitution and you’re just a peon, we’ll go with SCOTUS.

Unfortunately, courts keep punting the ball.
We need to keep the public informed about about the eligibility issue. The usurper-in-chief will become problem for Dems in 2010 and 2012 elections.

We couldn't be so lucky! I would settle for a gag, and I don't mean an order. Anything to keep from having to hear the most irritating voice ever! I wish someone would do an investigation of the so-called “school” she supposedly earned her law degree from. It must be scamming people if they gave her a degree!

It is also seditious to urge people to take up arms against the duly elected government. And she is urging military members to turn on their government, to have a military coup! Perhaps in her excitement that someone with a microphone is in front of her face, she forgets that what you say will not just be heard by “friendly” ears and it remains on record. It might start out on You Tube but someone copies it from there and even if You Tube takes it down- it's still out there! The very real evidence remains! Much better than the manufactured “evidence” she keeps trying to introduce in the courts.

Yeah, I'm watching this sedition development closely and am also pestering my congress-peeps about it; these loons are a virus/powderkeg. I think some of 'em lounging around oh so leisurely in mom's basement ranting about overthrowing the gov't in between twinkies could get a wake-up call in the form of a knock at the door…I'm all for it myself; I've had about enough of this escalating rage-loop.

And yet, you're still a flaming idiot with more spare time than common sense.

I categorically reject the judgement of someone who advocates sedition and treason, when it comes to the subject of US national security.

Described registration number assignment is just your opinion on how the process worked.
You have no document describing it. Until it is posted – we can only speculate and either speculation is a valid one.

I think I agree with just about everything Joking says here, and I too take exception to the usage of the Marines' motto—EXTREMELY in- appropriate coming from such antiAmerican seditionists.

The question is not whether Obama is a citizen, is he a “natural born citizen” as required by the constitution?
Instead of ridiculing people who question his eligibility – show them documents pointing out that Obama is indeed eligible.

1. Prove that he was born in the USA. Where is the long form birth certificate which would show his birth in the Kapiolani hospital on August 4, 1961? Why is DoH hiding index records for August 8,1961 (date indicated on COLB document). Index records are public, yet DoH is ignoring Hawaii laws, and continues to obstruct the public access to index data.

2. A dual-citizen at birth is not a natural born citizen. Where does it say that a dual-citizen at birth is eligible to be POTUS?

1) He has proven it with the Hawaii BC and Hawaii officials saying he was born there. More than any past President has ever done.

2) We don't care about other country's laws, only our own. And they state that if you were born in the USA, you are a NBC. If you want me to show you the same SCOTUS opinions again, I can…but you've proven to be too stupid to understand them.

You could shut her up with a simple document: Long form birth certificate that would confirm Kapiolani Hospital as place of birth on Aug. 4 1961.

Now lets see you dance around this issue!

Nope, just claim it's a fake like the COLB. That's all you folks have ever had, when presented with evidence, you call it fake. When asked for proof, you make up stuff to fit your needs. That's why you'll never get anywhere in court, they demand proof. While we'll continue to laugh at your childish attempt at logical thinking. Oh, before I forget…”NC you ignorant slut!”

1. You wouldn't invade Orly's privacy – would you? Invasin of privacy is a thin vail used by Obama to hide behind.
Do you have any proof that her law school is scamming people, or is it just a speculation?

2. How could you prosecute Orly for asking Obama to prove his eligiblity? We still have freedom to speak in this country.

3. If Obama is not eligible – we already have a civilian coup on our hands.

Let's see: you are allowed to speculate about those questioning Obama's eligiblity and how they may behave in the future, yet we do not have the right to assume that COLB document is fake one – since no other document is there to corroborate it.
If the courts continue to punt the ball – we need to educate the public about the eligiblity issue – the truth will come out one way or another.

The music is on, Baghdad Jim.

“NC you ignorant slut”…the COLB was corroborated by the State of Hawaii, the recorder of the birth and the only legal entity that can authenticate it. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean a thing. You are way too unimportant for anybody but a few delusional blowers to worry about. The eligibility issue has been answered. When you're going to come out of your basement and see the light is still questionable.

Pester you congress-peeps to ask for Obama's long form birth certificate. That would shut the “birthers” up!
I wish that all problems related to US government were this simple to resolve.

===“we need to educate the public about the eligiblity issue “===

You are doing a wonderfull job there. The public, quite rightly, thinks you are a bunch of crazy nuts.

I told you many times before, the Hawaii DoH is hiding public data (index records), which could corroborate COLB.
You have not answered that one yet!

You have not answered the qustion on why AG Bennet's legal advice, used by Dr. Fukiino to proclaim Obama a “natural-born American citizen”, is still hidden from public.
According to Hawaii law it should have been filed within three days of issuing with state archive and made available to public when requested.
It was denied to the public.
Anybody with a grain of intelligence would conclude that something fishy is going on if PUBLIC documents, which could shed light on Obama's eligiblity, are hidden from us.

Legally all the best thatthey could ever hope for would be a copy of the COLB.

Too bad, So sad.

“NC you ignorant slut”, except for one major detail. Officials in Hawaii have already corroborated that Obama was born there. Nothing else matters. If Hawaii says he was born there, he is a NBC legally entitled to be POTUS. You, on the other hand, are just on a fishing expedition. You have no proof of wrongdoing, nor proof of anything illegal, and you demand that someone you accuse proves you wrong. That's not how it works in this country, NC, so keep grasping at straws, and look desperate in the attempt.

Could you answer my question on why is Hawaii DoH hiding PUBLIC documents (index records) from those submitting UIPA requests for it?
The index data for August 8, 1961 is hidden from public, why?
This data is listed on Obama's COLB?
Index data would tell us what vital event took place on that date.

Isn't Bennet a Republican? Why would he support Obama?

DoH Index data are public records too.
AG Bennet's legal advice to Dr.Fukino is a public record too.
Yet both are hidden from those asking for it under the UIPA law.

Obama could prove that Orly has submitted a fake birth certificate to the court by releasing the long form of his birth certificate. If that one confirms the Kapiolani hospital as his place of birth – this would prove that birth certificate showing the Kenya as his birthplace is fake. Then court could go after Lucas Smith for providing false affidavit.
Smith was the only one willing to submit a document to the court under the penalty of perjury.
Nobody else, claiming thet Obama was born in Hawaii, has done anything similar.

Are you sure, I thought they were covered by the ASABD laws of this country. I may be wrong, but you might want to check.

I have no idea, nor do I care. There is too much speculation about this whole issue.
It does not matter what the party affiliations of state officials are. There is a law regarding public documents being available upon request.

The long form birth certificate would eliminate a lot of the speculation talk.
Maybe that is the reason why it is not relaesed – to keep the smoke screen hiding the dual citizen at birth issue.

“NC you ignorant slut!” Obama has proven he was born in Hawaii to the satisfaction of Congress, the electoral college, SCOTUS, and a majority of the american people. You want him out, prove he wasn’t. It’s not up to him to prove your falsehood, it’s up to you to prove your falsehood is true…you incredibly stupid person (from Monty Python and the Holy Grail). So, back in your basement till the next time Haley’s Comet comes by.

From the UIPA manual: “OIP has further recognized that an individual has a significant privacy interest in his or her home contact information, date of birth, and ethnicity.”

http://www.state.hi.us/oip/UIPA%20Manual%205aug…

“NC you ignorant slut”…there is no hiding of his citizenship at birth. He even WROTE about it in his books. It doesn't matter, for the 100th time that I've told you, we don't care about other country's laws, only ours. And, according to SCOTUS Obama is a NBC…whether you like it or not!

Yawn. No one cares about your concerns.

Check the UIPA laws in Hawaii. They even have an office in Hawaii whose staff's role is to help public in obtaining government records covered by the UIPA statute.
Leo Donofrio has very good coverage of the whole issue.
Before you start throwing mud at him, there is an explanation on his blog why Orly's suit has no chance of going forward.

===“AG Bennet's legal advice to Dr.Fukino is a public record too.”===

—-“For example, an agency’s communication with its attorney to seek legal advice is generally protected from disclosure in a litigation context by the attorney-client privilege.”—

“NC you ignorant slut” Nothing further, just wanted to re-iterate my feelings on your latest BS crusade. But, what if it does show that Obama's records were received on the 8th? Are you then going to stop your crusade and say “Obama was born in Hawaii and is our legal President”? You know that's BS, you'd just go searching for another inane thing to get your shorts binding up your crack.

Could you find a statement that excludes DoH index data from being available to public?

Second, was there cited an example about a person publicly disclosing an information and then later on tried to use the privacy protection to prevent release of a document to public. What does the UIPA law say about such case?

I would agree that he was born in Hawaii only if the DoH data showed that registration was done based on data from Kapiolani hospital. It is that simple.
If the index data does not say it – there is still possibility that his birth was registered based on relative's affidavit – which is not a proof of Hawaiian birth and would be in contradiction to the claim of being born in Kapiolani.

Whether he is eligible as a dual citizen at birth, is another issue that courts have to decide.

My guess is that he'll mention the burden of proof in his order, and that he'll kindly “remind” her about the consequences of filing frivolous lawsuits when she has no evidence of any kind to support any of her claims.

Of course, she'll go file yet another frivolous lawsuit somewhere else, then feign surprise when THAT judge clowns her for not having any evidence. At some point you'd think that she would realize that the burden of proof isn't going to go anywhere, and that it exists even if she doesn't have enough evidence to survive a motion to dismiss.

Then again, this is Orly we're talking about…

Obviously you did since you bothered to post responses, trying to refute my arguments for public disclosure of Obama's long form birth certificate and corroborating documents.

“NC you ignorant slut”

1) So you think you're something special and the Government of Hawaii has to satisfy your personal agenda that has no basis in the law. You aren't god, you don't get that say.

2) Courts have decided on the dual citizenship question. It has a long-established precedence. You just continue to show that you don't care about laws or the constitution even when you're shown direct SCOTUS cases that spell it out for you.

Why are you so agitated?
It is not good for your health. Could it be that in the back of your mind you are not 100% sure that Obama is telling the truth? He has lied to the US public since elections on many occasions.

Posting an image on the web is not a proof.
Why is it so difficult for Obama to submit the long form birth certificate to the court? Anybody born in the USA can do it in no time.
It seems to me that somebody is affraid of confronting “birthers” with evidence.

Dance Baghdad Jim, dance,…

Given that registration forms were preprinted, pre-numbered documents distributed in bulk to the hospitals, the fact that the registration number of the Nordyke twins was only a few numbers off from Obama's COLB number is proof that his birth record came from the same location.

For every state offical that claimed Obama's Hawaiian birth – I will find 3 higher ranking officials who claimed that Iraq had WMDs.
We cannot blindly trust words coming from a politician's mouth – particularly in case when it would be so simple to prove whether they told the truth or not.
There is no need to go to war with another country to verify claims of those claiming Obama was born in Hawaii.
Just show the long form birth certificate.

“NC you ignorant slut”… For every Hawaii official who claims Obama was born there, we have NC trying desperately to come up with an argument…no matter how stupid! Why, because he has absolutely no proof that Obama wasn't born there. And, all he has left is really badly thought out points to make. So, to answer you last sentence, no.

Aren't you just speculating here – the “offense” forbidden to those of us questioninig the Hawaiian birth?

Why is Obama's registration number higher than the one for Nordykle twins? If they are born in the same hospital, Obama was born a day earlier – I would expect that his registration number would be lower.
Unfortunately neither hospital nor DoH would answer a simple question on how those numbers were assigned.
Even better, hospital could open its archive and show the page where Obama's birth was hand written in the log book.

Dance Baghdad Jim, dance!
Your troops are crushing the infidels.

Does that mean you're finally going to come out of your basement NC and see the beautiful sunshine of our constitution and laws, or is it because you realize you ain't got sh*t?

===“For every state offical that claimed Obama's Hawaiian birth – I will find 3 higher ranking officials who claimed that Iraq had WMDs”===

Lame argument

Lawyers not hiding behind onluine aliases have provided a different opinion:
Dual citizen at birth – not a natural born citizen.
Why should I as a lay person trust your opinion vs those who put their reputation for public scrutiny?

But a truthful one.

A Natural Born Citizen is not governed by any other country's law. Such person cannot be claimed by any other country. It also does not have a divided loyalty at birth.
There is only one definition of a NBC that makes sense when it comes to national security – a child born in the USA of citizen parentS.

“Why is Obama's registration number higher than the one for Nordykle twins? If they are born in the same hospital, Obama was born a day earlier – I would expect that his registration number would be lower. “

The registration number is not reflective on when the birth occured, but when the nurse started filling out the paperwork. (i.e. when the mother was admitted to the Hospital).

This is trivial and unimportant compared to the fact that the forms were prenumbered. The Obama registration form HAD to have come from that hosptial.

There is no way for you to weasel away from that conclusion.

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

You're right. It's amazing the effort they put into hiding and smearing.

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…

In fact, the birfers haven't been able to offer ANY proof of anything they claim. Instead, they try to pretend that the burden of proof is on the defendant and not the plaintiff. Since no court in the country would ever buy such a ludicrous claim, the birfers get laughed out of courtrooms almost as fast as they set foot in them.

That “long form” that makes birfers foam at the mouth with rage has no legal validity whatsoever.

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…

In fact, the birfers haven't been able to offer ANY proof of anything they claim. Instead, they try to pretend that the burden of proof is on the defendant and not the plaintiff. Since no court in the country would ever buy such a ludicrous claim, the birfers get laughed out of courtrooms almost as fast as they set foot in them.

That “long form” that makes birfers foam at the mouth with rage has no legal validity whatsoever.

“NC you ignorant slut”…Why should I as a lay person trust your opinion vs the SCOTUS? I won't and neither will congress, SCOTUS, or the american people. I think that trumps you pretty well.

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Proscecution would come from her telling people to practice sedition. And possibly from filing fraudulent court documents. Too bad it can't just be for stupidity- she could be sent away for life!

As to the law school- what I said is someone should investigate them to make sure they aren't scamming. If she was able to get a law degree I question how good of a law school they are and if they are passing out degrees like several of those that tell you easy it is to get a degree or diploma that are phony.

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

The above smear comment is paid for by the Orly Taitz paid propaganda team.

The above smear comment is paid for by the Orly Taitz paid propaganda team.

The above smear comment is paid for by the Orly Taitz paid propaganda team.

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above accusatory comment is paid for by the Orly Taitz paid propaganda team.

The above poster is exactly what his icon says he is.

You are here to dance for our entertainment, Birfer, not the other way around

Oh, my congress-peeps have undoubtedly heard from the trailerpark's worth of Birfers in my state; Like all sane people, however they tune out the white noise of disgruntled & disturbed malcontents in order to TCB. While we're on the subject of how a democracy operates, they know that, short of lithium, there is no solving of “problems” for the chronic moon-howlers. Elections come & go despite your ilk.

Not only does Cap'n's icon advertise his stock in trade— it also depicts POTUS in white-face, which reveals the Cap'n's REAL demand of Obama: “Stop being black!!!”

What if Judge Carter goes along withe her evidence and decides to order discovery? Tomorrow October XIII is a magical day for Templars around the world. Don't be surprised if Dr. Judge Carter is a Tamplar. He has travelled you know…

Foriegn-born Dr. Taitz is holding her own against the most powerful man in the world. Sounds like she's pretty competent to me. I mean hey the guy won a Nobel prize so he can pay his lawyers or donate to ACORN who was responsible for voter-fraud like in Iran, Afghanistan, Cuba, etc. where other “duly elected” presidents rule.

Mail-order lawyer Orly Taitz has proven herself an inept, incompetent representative to her clients. Her latest case has been tossed and called “frivolous” by the Judge, so frivolous that when she refiled the same basic BS, he charged he with $10,000 contempt charge. Her client fired her, and now she's headed for another beatdown in Cali.

Yep, looking forward to seeing you fall apart, again. BS doesn't translate well in court.

And by the way- he has already proven he is eligible. The birth certificate that was photographed at Factcheck is what you get now when you request your birth certificate. It is duly stamped and sworn.

And if you, sir, believe that than you are truly certifiably insane.

OLDRACISTMAN666

Out of the closet: OLDRACISTMAN666

Your quote is out of context. It protects communication in a case of an actual lawsuit against the agency.

Try this link, it describes responsibility of Attorney General to provide legal advice:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol01_Ch0001-0042F/HRS0028/HRS_0028-0003.htm

Spoken like a true believer.
Factcheck.org has been proven wrong about Obama citizenship status – they posted a comment admitting it and had to change a statement on their web site. It shows that their level of verifying the document did not go beyond scratching the surface.
Did they compare the data in COLB with the DoH registrar index?
Did they compare it against the Kapiolani hospital logs?
Did factcheck.org examine the difference between the status phrase “Filed by..” versus “Accepted by…”?
Who (name of the person) examined the physical copy of COLB?
Did anyone from factchek.org raise their hand and swore that data presented in COLB is correct? It is easy to hind behind an anonimous post on the web and claim that COLB proves Obama's birthplace. There is no consequence if they are lying to the public.
Do you homework and come back to talk to adults.

For that to happen, Orly would actually have to have some evidence first. Since she doesn't have any (and has never had any), you probably shouldn't stay up late for this one.

Your fellow-Birfer Captainndelusion just today reiterated his belief that the birth announcements in the paper were fake; This is patently batshit crazy: Natural, you do a lot of pontificating about being the adult in the room, so where do you stand on FAKE newspaper announcements?

Well, if by “holding her own” you mean “being laughed out of every court in the country faster than you can say 'lack of standing'” then yes…Orly IS holding her own, and quite nicely I might add.

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

Evidence? What evidence? She has nothing but hearsay, forgeries and ludicrous speculation. Just how far has that gotten her so far? Don’t hold your breath! On second thought, maybe you should!

Was it the same judge who initially admitted a fake fax into the court documents? This was the fax that blasted Orly for being manipulative and acting against her client's wishes. It was removed later on, with much less publicity than his original ruling.

Was it the same judge who initially quoted “factcheck.org” and later on said that this did not influence his decision?

Could I quote the good judge Land next time when I need to submit any documents for government verification – no need to present any physical document, image posted on a web page is sufficient enough!?

Are we talking about the same judge?

She has enough evidence – the unknown variable is the standing issue.
According to Donofrio's analysis – Orly's case will be dismissed based on the “standing” issue.
I wish he was wrong about it and judge Carter orders a discovery.

There would be no need to even proceed to the actual trial. If the discovery phase shows that Obama's birthplace is not Hawaii – just that fact would be sufficient. There is no way that Dems would allow Obama to continue occupying the White House. It would cause them to lose elections in 2010 and 2012 big time.

Wrong again. Orly's never had enough evidence; that's what “no substantial likelihood of success on the merits” means, and if standing weren't an issue it would be the reason that she's been laughed out of every courtroom that she's set foot into. If Orly had gone to a real law school instead of getting her law degree by collecting box tops from boxes of cereal, she would know that.

This thing is like that damn idiot bunny! 433 comments
For all you new folks;
Barack Hussein Obama Sr., Little )o(s daddy was never an American Citizen,
and a Kenyan while Kenya was still a British colony, making him a Brit.
That and the British Nationality Act of 1948
Caused little )o( to be born a British Citizen at birth.
Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. of our great Constitution requires every President today to be a Natural Born American Citizen.
Natural Born = Born of Blood & Soil.
That is the blood of both parents, American Citizens at the time of ones birth and that birth on American Soil.
Read John Jay's letter to George Washington dealing with Natural Born.
Now if your daddy is a foreigner & you are born with allegiance to a foreign country as Obama Jr. was you are ineligible to hold the office of POTUS.
Now you will notice a swarm of paid Obots again fly out of the sewer and attack these truths. That's just what they are paid to do. They have started a Communist coup and hate to see if fail as more and more true Americans discover the truth that their Ebony Idol has feet of mushy clay. But they are fun to watch. So set back and see how they rant and wait until Judge David Carter orders Discovery in Ms Taitz's case and they will all break down and drink the bitter Kool Aid and go to a far better place for their ignorant Communist ways.

There is no need for a conspiracy theory here.
Long time ago in 1961 rules for registering births in Hawaii was quite relaxed. One could register a birth simply by providing an affidavit.
Grandparents (their address was published in the newspaper announcement) submit an affidavit, the information about “Hawaiian” birth is then sent from the DoH to the newspapers – and presto: newspaper announcement. The COLB and newspaper announcements could have originated from the same document (an affidavit about Obama’s Hawaiian birth).

We do not need to speculate about it. The long form birth certificate indicating birth in the Kapiolani hospital would have resolved the birthplace issue.
What other “evidence” do you have to support Hawaiian birth?

Jim pull your head out, it's dark and smelly in there. SCOTUS has NEVER reviewed the NBC issue. You pull these lies out of the same place your head is now located. Wash your hair!

I guess you have not read about Botox Pelosi rigging the DNC papers that left out the NBC statement because she new it would be her a$$ if someone found out she knew the )o( was not a NBC from day 1.

“Paid Obots”? And where do you find those? You sound like a paid Orly supporter yourself…

That would be a hoot, the ancient ones involved in kicking a Communist usurper out of the White House and saving America from it's underclass! There would be a book out of that. 13 is a lucky number except for Friday 13th 1307. This could make up for that day.

-see if I can get this where it belongs this time—–
That would be a hoot, the ancient ones involved in kicking a Communist usurper out of the White House and saving America from it's underclass! There would be a book out of that. 13 is a lucky number except for Friday 13th 1307. This could make up for that day.

That is your opinion.
Unless there is a discovery we will not know the real answer to that question.
She is out there enduring the public scrutiny. It is easy to criticize while hiding behind an alias on the Internet. Are you a lawyer who attended a “real” law school.

Steve X a lawyer? He's not even a good Obot. Never any facts just childish BS. Hang in there citizen we might get a response from Carter today. Keep up the fight for continued freedom. We will overcome this Communist coup.

“…Eleven American citizens, some of them with dual nationality, were among the 13 Nobel winners, including President Barack Obama, who won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday…”

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/WireStory?id=880…

It is interesting that they mentioned dual nationality and Obama in the same sentence!?

Have you read the documents she has submitted to court? Have you seriously listened to her “argue” her case? Anyone who paid her to represent them was like someone representing themselves- they had a fool for a lawyer. Why do you think her cases get thrown out? She has succeeded in costing her clients thousands, has been sanctioned herself and has been the recipient of one of the greatest smackdowns by a judge I have ever had the pleasure to read. Every court has sent her packing.

As far as yoiur allegations about vvoter fraud, there is no evidence whatsoever of any voter fraud in the U.S. There were a few who tried to turn in phony registrations so they could make more money for signing up new voters, but those were caught before election day ever rolled around. Our requirements to be able to vote do not allow for voter fraud to take place. Other countries do experience actual voter fraud of all kinds but we can only do so much to stop it short of taking over their entire system, which is not something we need to be doing.

Oldmagicman, you are done here. You momentarily dropped the charade and exposed your true racist self with the “blackcheck” remark. That means you are of no further help to the Birfers at this site who desperately need to maintain the fiction that Birtherism isn't actually racism.
You will be needing a new alias now. Of course, that'll only buy you so much time before your true colors once again fly forth, regardless of your new monicker.
You are now exposed as OLDRACISTMAN666—-Isn't it kinda liberating to be out of the closet?

OLDRACISTMAN666

OLDRACISTMAN666

Unless you think I'm every other judge that's dismissed Orly's case for that reason (or because her lawsuits are frivolous), then you're right. It is “just my opinion.” It's also my opinion that those fake kenyan birf sertifikats won't even be admissible because they can't be authenticated. It's also “my opinion” that Orly doesn't know her ass from a hole in the wall, but that's also the opinion of every other non-birfer out there.

And since you know about as much law as Orly does, I'll let you in on a little secret: the “no likelihood of success on the merits” issue ALWAYS comes before discovery; that's the entire point. Why should the court waste it's time on a trial that the plaintiff has no hope of winning? After all, the only reason that Orly wants discovery is because the “evidence” that she has is bullshit and she knows it. At this point, her entire case depends on documents that she thinks will uncover Obama's serkrit kenyan birf, none of which she currently has in her possession. Finally, even if she does happen to find some key piece of evidence that she didn't buy from a vendor on eBay, that doesn't mean it would be admissible at trial; ever heard of a “Motion to Suppress?” Those exist for a reason.

Those two kenyan birf sertifikats can't even be authenticated, and since that's the best that she's got she's screwed. As a lawyer (one that went to an accredited law school) once told me, “If you don't know the Rules of Evidence, opposing counsel will be glad to teach them to you.” Right now, Orly's learning all of the things that she should have learned in her correspondence course, but she's learning the hard way: by being laughed out of every court that she sets foot into.

And she's out there enduring public scrutiny by choice. She WANTS the attention, otherwise she wouldn't be begging for donations, flying across the country, and blogging her progress for the world to ridicule. Most of the attention is negative because she's a shitty lawyer, plain and simple.

As to whether I'm a lawyer, it doesn't really matter. But from reading Orly's briefs and pleadings and watching her behavior and dealings with clients, I can tell that I know a hell of a lot more about Evidence, Civil Procedure, Constitutional Law, and Professional Responsibility than she ever will.

“It is interesting that they mentioned dual nationality and Obama in the same sentence!?”

In an article about Nobel Prize winners, of which the president is one? No, not really.

You are REALLY grasping at straws with that one…

You can read it either way. Sloppy writing at best.
Why is there a need to even mention the dual nationality? The sentence would make a perfect sense without it.

I am not interested in “lawyering”. What is the truth about Obama's birthplace?
People are sent to war on Obama's orders.
Will a widow of a fallen soldier have standing, or his parents?
The court system is corrupt – on such an important issue everybody is dragging their feet and keep “punting the ball”. First eligibility lawsuit was raised several months before the election. There was enough time to verify that candidates are eligible. Yet our “great” lawyers are more interested in making sure that their candidate wins no matter what the truth is.

If there was nothing to hide in Kenya – why did their government kicked out WND's investigator? Why did Obama (as a US Senator) campaigned for Raila Odinga in 2006? The same Odinga who made sure that no access to Kenyan records is available.
I am not aware of any other US Senator meddling into domestic political campaign in a foreign country.

Finally, the long form birth certificate can be produced by anybody born in the USA. There is no privacy protection argument to be made here. The public's right to know that a presidential candidate is indeed eligible outweighs any right to privacy – particularly in case when the information has already been disclosed by the same candidate.

“NC you ignorant slut!” You mean the fax that was shown to be real after the blower asked for the correct day? You mean the same Judge who saw all the evidence that Orly had to offer and called it “frivolous”? You mean the same Judge who had to explain to Orly the requirement that she had to prove her case? The same Judge who listened to Orly's arguments and called them “Alice in Wonderland”? The same Judge who know a heck of a lot more about our constitution and laws than NC? Yeah, I'll go with that Judge over Naturallyadick any day of the week.

Another pointless rant with no relevant evidence or any legal authority of any kind.

*yawn*

Then again, you ARE a birfer…why should we expect you to know any better?

Continued from a thread squeezed out to the right and on page 2. . .

Naturalizedcitizen: “Described registration number assignment is just your opinion on how the process worked. You have no document describing it. Until it is posted – we can only speculate and either speculation is a valid one.”

Sorry, NC. But you are failing to consider the technology in use at the time. Xerox machines were in their infancy and very expensive. Only a few thousands had been sold by the end of 1961. If you wanted to produce multiple copies of a form you used preprinted, multipage forms with sheets of carbon paper between them. Printing these forms required several different printing processes. In the first step, the general form was printed, each page exactly alike. In the second step, consecutive serial numbers were printed on each set of forms by a special machine that automatically incremented after each set was marked.

If you examine the images of the Nordyke twin’s BCs, you will see that these numbers were much larger than the typewriter font and can only have been pre-printed onto the forms.

Sets of the preprinted forms were then distributed in bulk to the end user so that one hospital might receive the printed forms with serial numbers from 100001 to 101000. The next Hospital would receive 101001 to 102000. A doctor’s office might then receive 102001 to 102100, and the registrar’s office might have 200000 to 200200 at the walk up desk.

Thus. it would have been virtually impossible for two babies born within a day of each other to receive file numbers a few numbers apart.

As for how the forms were pulled from the stack and assigned to each baby, you have to remember that the original medical chart starts with the mother. As each mother is admitted, all the appropriate forms are assembled into a file. Each form is completed to the extent possible at that time and updated as the appropriate medical conditions change. This is what they call in a Hospital, the patients “chart.” This term and process is still used today, although the digital age has eliminated the need for the nurse or unit secretary to manually type the information onto the various forms one by one.

Therefore, the fact that the Omama and the Nordyke twins numbers are slightly out of sequence is trivial. The order that the forms were pulled from the stack and filed out could have been dependant on a number of factors such as when the mothers were admitted, the time of day that they were admitted (there tends to be more staff available during the day shifts), the patient census at the time they were admitted, the efficiency of the nurses and secretary in the various shifts, etc. etc. etc.

The key factor is that the numbers are only a few digits off. There is no way you can get away from that. The only way for this to have happened is for both of the mothers to have been at the same hospital at the same time.

“If there was nothing to hide in Kenya – why did their government kicked out WND's investigator?”
- – –
Because he broke the law by conducting business on a tourist visa.

We do the same thing to foreigners that come to our country and lie to us about why they are here.

You may be right, however this is the only document that was signed under the penalty of perjury.
No such thing on Obama’s side. Nobody is willing to put such strong words claiming that COLB is indeed a valid document priving Hawaiian birth.
How do we know that Fukino is telling the truth? She has not signed any documents stating such thing.

There should be a discovery to verify who is telling the truth.

You may be right, however this is the only document that was signed under the penalty of perjury.
No such thing on Obama’s side. Nobody is willing to put such strong words claiming that COLB is indeed a valid document priving Hawaiian birth.
How do we know that Fukino is telling the truth? She has not signed any documents stating such thing.

There should be a discovery to verify who is telling the truth.

No discovery needed, Hawaii is telling the truth. Can’t help if you don’t believe it. If you really want discovery, you’re going to have to find a whole lot more than your worthless opinion…courts won’t accept it.

No discovery needed, Hawaii is telling the truth. Can’t help if you don’t believe it. If you really want discovery, you’re going to have to find a whole lot more than your worthless opinion…courts won’t accept it.

rumor has it, Judge land just fined Orly $20,000.

Can anyone get the opinion and post it somewhere besides scribd?

Are you suggesting that a reporter would be given a business visa and allowed to investigate the issue if applied with Kenyan government?

I can tell you're not interested in “lawyering” because neither you nor Orly have any idea what the hell you're talking about. You show your ignorance every time you post, and she shows her ignorance every time she steps into a court room.

You don't even try to present a logical argument; the only thing you do is spout off cliched, debunked WND talking points.

Who gives a damn about Raul Odinga? Who gives a damn if Kenya kicked out WND's shitty reporters? Kenya is a sovereign nation, and it has the right to kick out whoever it wants to. None of that speculation is even close to evidence, and it won't do anything to help Orly meet her burden of proof. The only thing is does is make her and the birfers look even more stupid because not only are they unable to prove what they've already alleged, they keep shoehorning more nonsense into an already-implausible conspiracy.

But the best part of your post is this:
“The public's right to know that a presidential candidate is indeed eligible outweighs any right to privacy – particularly in case when the information has already been disclosed by the same candidate.”

I guess you don't realize that you just answered your own question, and that the state of Hawaii, by issuing Obama a COLB, has verified that answer. Under FREv 902(1), that COLB is s good as gold as any court in the country. It is substantive evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii. If that document says that Obama was born in Hawaii, then Obama was born in Hawaii until the birfers can prove otherwise (which they can't do because they don't have any evidence). Got a problem with that? Then write your Congressman and tell him to amend the FREv. Otherwise, you're forced to live with the fact that even if Orly wasn't an incompetent ass clown she still wouldn't win because she has no evidence to back up any of her claims.

You may go your entire life and NEVER find out what hospital he was born in…and you're just going to have to deal with that, because there is no law that gives you the “right” to know what hospital a president was born in. More importantly, even if he wasn't born in a hospital it wouldn't affect his citizenship status; that theory is just another piece of desperate nonsensical birfer stupidity.

Birfers haven't won a case yet, and they never will. Deal with it, and stop asking people stupid, irrelevant questions.

I read that the fax was excluded from court documents. Why would they do that if it was a real one?

Thank you for confirming that judge suffers from same emotional outbursts as attributed to Orly.

I will have more respect for him when he puts his courtroom in order and fire the person who accepted a fake document used by the good judge to form his negative opinion about Orly.

You have conveniently chosen not to comment on judge's use of “factcheck.org” image of COLB in his opinion. I think that a good judge is a partisan hack he could have rendered the same decision as he did without emotional outbursts and without quoting documents that his court has not examined for validity.

Let those facts speak for the quality of good judge. Based on those two facts alone – he should be thrown from this case – which might be something he is trying to accomplish to get the “hot potato” case off his hands.

Nope, he's just going to treat your pal Orly like she should be treated…doubled the sanctions to $20,000! Hey, NC, she's looking for a loan. Maybe you should hop over to her site and donate…careful for viruses though!

Judge land just fined Orly $20,000.

I think that the State Bar of California is going to have to issue a public repramand soon, if not start disbarment proceedings.

The only thing I'm prejudice about is stupidity. I hate idiots in all colors, sexes and national origins.

Raila Odinga is a prime minister of Kenya.
He came to power after losing elections, then encouraging hie supporters to riot – hundreds of Christians were murdered by his thugs. The same Raila Odinga who promised to establish Sharia laws in Kenya.

COLB posted on factcheck.org has ZERO weight in any courtroom. Let Obama take the physical copy to the court and we will see if it is accepted.
Guess what – he is afraid to do so. It is much easier to post a copy of a document on the web and pretend that it contains information confirming Hawaiian birth.

Thank you for proving the point that you are only interested in “lawyering”. Where are we going to put a plaque commemorating the birthplace of a US President: Queens hospital, Kapiolani or somewhere else?

Obama just ordered 13,000 additional troops to go to Afghanistan. Will widows of those who die have the right to know about Obama's birth hospital?
The coward-in-chief can sign documents sending troops to war – and refuses to prove in the court of law that he is indeed eligible for the office. Hiding behind the lawyers far away from his troops.

It would be so much easier to defend Obama's behavior if he would just show the long form birth certificate, would it not?
How sweet would it be to shut the pesky “birthers” up?

Your last post officially qualifies you as a “Dancing Queen Steve” – you are slightly ahead of Baghdad Jim in dancing around the eligibility issue.

If she was not perceived as a threat to Obama, there would be no need to hack her web site multiple times.
You could defeat her in the courtroom – she is a lousy lawyer – isn't she?

What did good judge do to restore his courtroom's reputation. Did he fire the person accepting fake documents? No fines?

Wishful thinking…

You are indeed foolish. The court is not going to ask the president to bring his birth certificate to court because they know that Hawaii has already verified that the president was born there on the date specified. Your Oily Taters doesn't know her behind from a hole in the ground. The president does not have to prove in court that he is eligible, he is not bringing the lawsuit. It is up to the plaintiff to prove their case. The “brilliant one” can't do that because she has no proof to the contrary. Period. End of story. Except for more fines against Oily perhaps?

So what – more “lawyering” and posturing while 13,000 additional troops are being shipped to the war. Coward-in-chief has to rely on partisan hacks like Land to keep the process going without looking into the evidence that would confirm/deny Obama's eligibility.

You did not try to answer my question about judge Land and his courtroom.

How does the court know? Relying on documents posted on the web?

Coward-in-chief can send troops to war and cannot answer simple question about long form birth certificate!?

Chris, what part of your anatomy is you head currently inserted? The post above has no “blackcheck” remark.
But if that remark bothers you, are you saying that if someone is black they should not be checked? For checking them for the truth of the facts represented would be racist.
I can now see why you have no desire to see Obama's secrete hidden records of his life. He's black and should be given the unquestioned edge in favor of Affirmative Action.

I'm reading this now, and it's beautiful. Judge Land completely and thoroughly destroys her and everything she stands for. This is the kind of stuff that will be in casebooks in law schools all across the country as an example to students of what NOT to do once they pass the bar.

I think I may have a tear in my eye…

Simple solution – pull the files on that week and compare all the kids born that week and match numbers with the kids and look for one kid with any of Obama's aliases. You just might find one # with two children attached to it or one # that represented a child at that time in 1961 that had a medical problem and passed away at some time during the past 48 years. This question can not be answered without all the documents in front of you. Why hide simple facts if there is nothing to hide? Smoke and mirrors everywhere.

What are you talking about NC? You're babbling is getting more and more incoherent. You cannot even get on point with anything. BTW, the good Judge restored his courtroom's reputation by sanctioning Orly for $20,000…and the only fake documents were the ones Orly was trying to get accepted into evidence.

Great Oldlostinclouds, you and Orly have fun trying to find a Judge to go along with your fishing expedition. Maybe by 2050 you'll find one. The only smoke and mirrors are all the crazy theories you like to present…with no proof of course. Sorry, fiction writers need not apply.

NC Obama is not an American Citizen, he has provided no verifiable prof of any citizenship, anywhere. He is truly a man of the world, no ties and no loyalties. Free ti destroy all equally.

You have been reading too many trashy paperback spy novels.

Join the real world.

You are starting to lose your grip on reality.

So counselor you will be totally shocked when we are allowed discovery when this case is allowed to precede?

So the court is supposed to rely on a “photocopy” of a document supposedly obtained through bribery of a “government Official” in Kenya?

Obtained by a convicted forger/

Yeah, right.

The Dragon In My Garage
by Carl Sagan

“A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage”

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

“Show me,” you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle — but no dragon.

“Where's the dragon?” you ask.

“Oh, she's right here,” I reply, waving vaguely. “I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon.”

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

“Good idea,” I say, “but this dragon floats in the air.”

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

“Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless.”

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

“Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick.” And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative — merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of “not proved.”

Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons — to say nothing about invisible ones — you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.

Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages — but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.

Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such “evidence” — no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it — is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.

You currently seem fixated on inserting things in rectums.No suprise, you are demonstrably quite bent, as well as racist.
You and Orly are fixated on undermining this great nation's first black president and have been going to great lengths, along with your co-delusionists, to characterise your pogrom as strictly political. It is not and you have confirmed that fact, you twisted old racist.

Well oldracistman, you prove the old adage that even paranoids have enemies

We don’t have a “cause”. Birfers have a “cause” Us normal folks are here to be entertained, oldracistman: And-a-one, and-a-two and-a-three…

Pretty brave words from a loudmouthed couchpotato who doesn’t have to pony up one red cent of Orly’s fine. I’m sure Orly is just as sanguine as you are LOL

List me one human that has publicly stated that they have seen any paper document released from the state of Hawaii that verifies BHO's an American Citizen much less a Natural Born American Citizen. Photoshoped postings and vague statements from uninformed Hawaiian officials are not official prof. The true documents & facts have never been seen, not ever by Pelosi or Dick Cheney.

Yes, you’re gaining alot of ground–must have cut some good eye-holes in that pea-stained sheet on your head: look at you move, oldracistman!

Cool! this $20,000 will get this case into the SCOTUS. We fished he bit we take home the meat. America eats!

I got a grip, you should look for one. Oh! you know the truth it just doesn't support your cause.

You are such an idiot, oldmagicloony, this just leaves you worse off than before. If she files an appeal, she'll probably be on the hook for another $20,000 for another frivolous filing. You got no case, as you've been shown time and time again, because you got no proof. So, as always, you got nothing, you get nothing.

I am unsure if you are deliberately misreading the British Nationality Act or not. The Act allows citizens of former colonies to remain British Subjects if they choose; it also allows their children, regardless of place of birth to elect British citizenship until their 18th birthday. This Act did apply to President Obama, but only as a theoretical, not as a truth. Natural born citizenship is self explanatory, although I see you have taken this truth and expanded the definition beyond recognition to support your views. Since President Obama was born on American soil, and declined the option of allegiance to a foreign country, the letter you cite is without merit. Your ideas, like your Kool Aid, are sugary and insubstantial. You may keep both.

Does anyone else see the irony of Ms. Taitz accusing the judge in this case of being one of the pod people?

I liked Carl Sagan, but I think this story fits your total disregard for all the hidden records and facts in the life of your messiah. Maybe there is a flesh and blood fire breathing dragon in the garage, it stinks real bad, one side of the garage is on fire, there is dragon excrement knee deep on the floor, You are covered in it but you refuse to admit that it exists. Be careful for when the evil breaths on you, you too will be burned.

AH! I must be gaining ground, here comes the race card as a last and lowest level of defense.

Let's see! Post it in it's entirety word for word and let us all take a look. You have to read the whole Act!

Well, oldracistman, looks like this 13th turn out to be the Birfers version of the Languedoc masscre, no?

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

??? – the $20,000??? – pocket change, CHANGE we can live with!

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

The above smear message is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .The “frequent posters” here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Spacecadetracist: the delusion in your prepared text is pretty funny in the context of Orly's SMACKDOWN today!
“… their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants”
LOL
Yeah, Orly has 'em right where she wants 'em
LOL !!!!

Yes, take away that Nobel Prize…
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs…

Yeah, oldracistman, you have 'em right where you want 'em. Cool.
LOL !!!!!

impotent rage, spacytracy!!!

“but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures”

Really? Orly swings that way?

No wonder she's trying to get thrown in jail.

“I got a grip” –

We really don't want to hear about your degenerate personal habits.

The only way your reply makes sense is if you:
have never bothered to read it,
are ignorant of it, and
actively spread misinformation about it.
You tell everyone what this means for our President, and how it relates to this farce of a trial, and you don’t care what it says. You, sir, are the worst kind of ignorant: ensuring that other people are misinformed.

Here is the Act, in its entirety.
http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm
The section you want to be upset about is section 6.

The mail-order lawyer-bride of Frankenstein bites the bullet.

My Tuesday couldn't have began better, Oily gets spanked and my paid Obama blogger check came in the mail.

Keep up the good work birthers we have finally found a way to recapitalise the economy.

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…

Judge Land is a dishonorable sellout, just like most of Dingle Barry's supporters. Half the country rightfully believes that the truth should be known, and this should be put behind us.

Yet they continue the game of hiding the truth, and ridiculing those who want to know. They are the lowest of low. In them I find the answer to a question I've long asked, “how did Hitler or Manson find mindless cultist followers.” Now I know. I think Barry's scum-bag followers would have been right there.

It's a sad time for goodness in the world, especially America.

Cap'n, yeah it is unfortunate for you blowers that the courts demand things like evidence and standing. It's what makes our country great! And, as we've seen time and time again, the only mindless followers are the blowers following their mail-order attorney into oblivion.

Steverino: “whine . . whine. . . . Judge Land is a dishonorable sellout. . . Whaaa. . .Whaaaa. . . Whaaaa.”

Ohh, what's the matter little poopsie. did the mean old man yell at you again. . .
Come here. Let mommy wipe your nose for you. . .

Why, you never did. Just the part you thought agreed with you. So, take what you're given the same way.

Oily is going to have to do a lot of root-canals to pay her fines. I hope she doesn't skimp on anesthetic and i pity the poor patients. They have to look at that BOF face and listen to her drivel while she tortures them.

Maybe Cap'n and Tracy will volunteer for the procedure to help their wise leader pay her debts to society.

I am sure that Orly is not a constitutional scholar like Obama. A constitutional law professor without a SINGLE published law article.
Not a single one is available anywhere. How did he get this position – Affirmative Action candidate?

In his Illinois State Bar association registration form, Barack Obama lied about not using any other aliases in his life. The man is a proven liar. Did judge Land take this into account when considering the validity of an image posted on “factcheck.org”?

Not really, I wish that at least one judge will have enough balls to order a discovery and let the chips fall where they may.
Judge Land should not have used “factcheck.org” in his ruling. It discredits him as an impartial judge – it makes him look like a partisan hack.

You can gloat all you want. Lawyering and posturing about standing issue will get more soldiers killed in the war zone.
Will widows and parents of soldiers killed in Afghanistan have standing in US courts?

Oldidiotman: what if people don’t want their records pulled? You going to take away their rights also? Is that what you think of citizens of this country, they have no rights because you don’t like the new President? That, my good man, is why we have laws and the constitution, so delusional imbeciles like you don’t trample over others’ rights in order to find out your mind has completely gone gaga.

Well, NC, I wish that just one blower would come up with more than WND lies and Orly propaganda…some evidence with their theories would be a nice change, a first even. But, all we’re left with is you idiots acting as straight men for our put-downs. That you keep taking it shows how little you think of yourself anyway.

Judge Land has laid down the LAW to Orly and her minions. Come into his court, you better have a lot more than useless theories and baseless accusations, better have some evidence to back up your claims. Now, it is time for the blowers to blame Judge Land for following the law and ignoring their delusions…just the way we like it.

Good people take note. Obama's followers DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH. Think about why. Why would they work so hard to end-run the constitution?

The above smear is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above smear is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

The above smear is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Facts? Judge Land don't need no stinkin' facts!

NC is reaching again…as always. I guess his opinion is that we should never have gone to Afghanistan and allowed the people who attacked us to continue working on their next plan. Standing has nothing to do with soldiers getting killed and you know it, it is just your way of trying to make your delusional opinion worth more than it actually is. A classic failure, again, by naturalizednutcase.

nice use of the Ad Misericordiam fallacy (appeal to pity)

Ad hominem fallacy

ditto, moron.

Good people take note: Orly followers DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH. They work so hard at calling other people liars and followers, they have yet to offer any evidence that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. So, unfortunately for them, we follow the constitution and laws of this country…not the made-up ones in their minds.

Still waiting for that OMG moment, Steve?

Are you trying to prove my point? thanks.

Unnatural, you are outdoing yourself today; If I understand you correctly, anti-Birfers are getting our soldiers killed and scorning their widows———-
This is truly a nudge up into a newer, squirrelier dimension than the ones we have seen you inhabit heretofore.
Cyberspace is truly not large enough for the grandeur of your delusion…astonishing.

What is your opinion – will they have standing in US courts?

Hitler=Manson=Obama. Yawn.
C'mon, Cap'n this is your game today?
UnnaturalCitizen is running circles around you with his new-improved j'accuse.
Step it up or get left behind by the newer & nuttier!

If there is an equivalent of Cindy Sheehan out there – will she have a standing in US courts to find out whether the CIC is a legitimate one?

Or as your co-blogger calls it: “blackcheck.org”
No racism there, naw.

Nope, but I don't believe Sheehan ever went to court to remove the President, just to be allowed to protest. If you and Orly want to go to Chicago and sit outside Obama's home, I'm sure you could get standing to do that.

No, I was not very clear in my previous post.
New rules of engagement in Afghanistan (issued by Obama) are designed to reduce civilian casualties. More US troops will die as a consequence.
Should families of fallen soldiers have the right of standing in US courts to find out whether the CIC, who ordered their children to go to war, is indeed eligible?

No one in their right mind could think birthers don't want the truth. That's exactly what they are after.

Depends, did you read Judge Land's opinion? Do you see any loophole there that would allow a soldier to sue whenever they don't like their assignment? I think that's a military matter better handled by the military. The other is a political question which is better handled by the politicians. So, if you want to remove a sitting President, you've been going about this all wrong. You need to get to work on congress, since impeachment is the only way to get him out.

Nope, they only want THEIR truth, the rest of it be damned. You have presented no evidence that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. That's the truth. All you've got are wild theories and forged documents, that's the truth. You will not accept the constitution, SCOTUS opinion or the rule of law whenever it disagrees with you, that's the truth. So, the only truth blowers are looking for is the delusional one that only exists in their mind.

A soldier is asked to go to war and risk death while his CIC will not present the valid Hawaiian long form birth certificate.
There is only one reason why Obama is refusing to do it – no such document exists, there is no other logical explanation.

Again, that is your opinion. Not a very worthy one either. But, no they shouldn't. Especially with the total lack of evidence that blowers have presented. You tend to think in a vacuum, what if about half the soldiers and families had decided to take the same tact with Bush? You could do more to ruin our military with that attitude than any foreign power ever could.

What you are saying is that circumstantial evidence alone is not enough to at least investigate.

There are people sitting on death row convicted solely on circumstantial evidence.

He has presented a valid BC and been verified by the state of Hawaii that he was born there. Just because you don't like it is no reason to drag the military into your delusional world. You can't prove he wasn't born there and there is no reason to bring our country to a standstill because of it. You have no standing.

You don't even have circumstantial evidence. All you have are unprovable theories and forged documents. Besides, Obama has the trump card, which you hate the most, in the Hawaii BC. So, no go again, NC.

That's stupid (normal for you). Show me your proof I wasn't born on Mars and I'll show you my proof.

Notice to all. . .The cult-of-obama frequent posters here work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears etc). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.

It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”

http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obam…

If there wasn't anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn't be hiring thuggish bloggers to smear those who question. That’s about the same as the Black Panthers Obama posted outside polling places. We are dealing with a thugocracy!

They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!

Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

The above smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

You are all an ignorant bunch of batshit crazy fruitcakes that wouldn’t KNOW the truth if it walked up and bit you in the ass! As I said the other day, every slap down you get you all start with the same old shit. Conspiracy! Traitor! Obot! When will you get the picture that you are wrong and you have no proof of anything you claim! When you leader is hauled away in a straight jacket?

Obama, show your birth certificate!

Should we trust Obama and his online short-form B/C when he has hidden all his other documentation and long-form B/C, and lied about everything else? Here's a few of his lies.

He said:

He was a moderate and would govern from the center.

No new taxes on anyone making less than $250K.

Cap-N-Trade would on cost the amount of a postage stamp per day.

No more Washington as usual.

He said he wrote his own books. Bill Ayres wrote “Dreams.”

No earmarks.

Never used an alias name.

No lobbyists in Cabinet.

He would keep track of the bailout money.

No free health-care for illegals.

No government funding for abortion.

Health-care debate to be broadcast on C-Span.

No programs enacted without having the funding (Pay-Go).

All new bills to be available for public review.

Didn't want to run car company.

Doctors remove kids tonsils just to make more money.

Enact policies to make world safer.

He would not desert Israel.

He would get out of Iraq.

He would close Gitmo.

He would do whatever it took to win in Afghanistan.

He would get Bin Laden.

He said he barely knew William Ayers the domestic terrorist and pentagon bomber.

He said he wouldn’t prosecute the CIA agents re detainee treatment.

He would keep a balanced budget.

No deficit spending.

He would be bi-partisan.

Didn’t really know much about ACORN.

Wouldn't allow government funds to pay for abortions.

Would stop illegal immigration.

His Uncle helped liberate the Auschwitz concentration camp at end of WWII.

No government takeover of health-care.

He would represent ALL Americans.

He also said he was born in Hawaii. Hmmm

Thanks, but I think it’s time to see the LONG-FORM birth certificate, and other records!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Do we need to parse the words “circumstantial evidence”?

Scott Peterson went fishing on the same day when his wife disappeared. No actual evidence that he comitted a crime – just theories and speculation on behalf of the prosecutors and police investigators?

Thanks for clarifying
2 points:
1) Really? At this juncture, after 8 years of a horribly botched gameplan in Afgh, you think you can suddenly analyze and reject BO's rapidly evolving strategy over there before ANYONE really knows what will be finalized, and pronounce it more hazardous to our troops? More delusion
2)the question about who can/will find out CIC's “eligibility” is beyond ridiculous. Talk to Orly's friend Rhodes about that one. Maybe youcan become pen pals?

BWAHAHAHAHA…and you forget all the other stuff? No actual evidence of a crime? You don't think the discovery of body parts was evidence? What about the recorded conversations with his girlfriend? There was a heck of a lot more there than just circumstantial evidence. Which, of course, you will ignore since it doesn't fit your scenario…just like you ignore all other evidence that doesn't fit your delusions. Just keep showing your stupidity NC…it's funny to watch!

You need only one case where the eligibility is confirmed. No need for half of the military to challenge the eligibility of their CIC. I have no doubt that media would not let Bush get away with eligibility issue.

What evidence did prosecution had to charge Scott Peterson?

Careful here, don't confuse Obama appologists with facts.

Where is the Hawaiian long form birth certificate? What are you afraid of – Obama telling another lie?

Why is it that they investigated him?
After all he told them the “truth” during the first converstion with the police.
There was no need to investigate him further, right?

Please read your post again- you are making my point exactly – we need to investigate whether Obama is telling the truth!
Without investigation – Obama could get away with another lie – in a much more important and potentially deadly case than Peterson's.

Obama promised transparency, he promised to unite the country – would it not be benefitial to his
efforts to implement reforms – if he could make a gesture of good will towards those who doubt his eligibility and present a Hawaiian LONG form birth certificate.
Or was that promise just an election campaign lie?

You are a dishonorable POS sellout, just like most of Dingle Barry's supporters. Half the country rightfully believes that the truth should be known, and this should be put behind us.

Yet they continue the game of hiding the truth, and ridiculing those who want to know. They are the lowest of low. In them I find the answer to a question I've long asked, “how did Hitler or Manson find mindless cultist followers.” Now I know. I think Barry's raiders would have been right there.

It's a sad time for goodness in the world, especially America.

I don't think you would recognize the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. Go and read Judge Land's order and his description of Oily Taters behavior in court and her filings. Consider the amount of money she has cost taxpayers. She is singlehandedly trying to increase the deficit. I think his order is very clear and concise and explains everything. I loved it!

“They are the lowest of low. In them I find the answer to a question I've long asked, 'how did Hitler or Manson find mindless cultist followers.'”

Simple: they dyed their hair blond, started wearing fake eyelashes, and got a “law degree” from a vending machine at Target. A few Paypal donations later and BAM! Instant birfer idiots!

Then they filed a bunch of friviolous lawsuits, got fined for thousands of dollars, and the rest was history.

You've got that right! Facts to the obots are like sunlight to vampires.

The above smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

No investigation needed…again. He has shown his legal BC and Hawaii confirms he was born there. NO more investigation necessary. You have yet to prove he wasn't born there.

The above stupid smear is provided by the obama’s paid propaganda team.

Well I'd be happy to answer that. Hitler and Manson got their followers the same way Orly got hers, with lies and manipulation! And the ignorant followed them just like you follow her. Figure the odds of the entire US government being in a massive conspiracy that was started in 1961 when a woman of meager means gave birth to a bi-racial child (which was frowned upon at the time) and then went to all the elaborate SB you claim to falsify all his birth records so he could become president 48 years later. You are insane!

Do you understand what precedence is? If you do, do you understand why it would not be only one case? And, if you can't understand that, do you see why we think you folks are nuts?

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

NO, he just doesn't think a few delusional nobodies deserve the time of day. Blowers just need to continue following Orly with their noses stuck up her a$$ until she gives off her final fart in the wind on this.

Let's see…a complete lack of factual information? Check.

Delusional, paranoid nonsense about “paid bloggers” and “frequent posters?” Check.

Spam links to yet another pointless, factually inaccurate, crapware infested right wing website in a pathetic attempt to prove the aforementioned delusional, paranoid nonsense? Check.

Delusional talk of “charades” and “citizenship,” even though the average birfer has no idea what either of those words mean? Check.

Repeatedly posting the same spam comment about how terrified the “obots” are, while completely ignoring the fact that no birfer has ever presented any valid evidence of anything they claim and hoping that no one notices? Check.

A complete and total lack of knowledge about things like the Rules of Evidence, Civil Procedure, Professional Ethics, and Constitutional Law? Check.

POINTLESSLY TYPING THE SAME GARBAGE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN? CHECK.

Well, all of the elements are there so this can mean one thing and one thing only:

One of Orly's split personalities is on the loose again!

Nothing more to see here folks. Move along…

You are wrong. There is no need for any grand conspiracy to explain this.

All it took is a concerned grandparent who wanted to have a grandchild registered as a US citizen. They sent an affidavit about Hawaiian birth, DoH sends the data to newspapers to announce the birth.

If Obama was indeed born in the Kapiolani Hsopital – the long form birth certificate would have been presented to the public long time ago. Why go through the hassle of negative publicity? Why would he pay lawyers to fight eligibility lawsuits when a simple document could prove his Hawaiian birth? It makes no sense.

COLB was not accepted in some Hawaiian state agencies as a proof of Hawaiian birth until June 2009 – when the law was changed to fit Obama's needs to hide the long form birth certificate.

That is so total BS it's pathetic. COLB has been the official form since 2001, in response to the 9/11 attacks. You really need to quit lying, NC, it shows how little you really know.

Actually, with the direction the GOP is going these days I CAN forsee an anti-Afghan war movement somewhat mimicking the left-leaning anti-war movements our democracy has countenanced since the Vietnam era. Wouldn't surprise me a bit and more power to 'em! Maybe they'll even come up with a rightwing version of Cindy Sheehan and if so, good on them.
If, however, their rallying cry is just another Birfer Call to Arms: then the anti-Sheehan to which you allude may just as well be Orly, for all the legitimacy that 'movement' will engender. Great way to turn a movement into a punchline.

Jim, he’s got you there! Learn about what you type about.

naturalizedcitizen makes good points.

re mslazy's comment about meager means. . .that's a smelly pile. stanley ann was involved in organized crime. they flew all around the world. bho went to the most expensive schools. not so meager, but dishonest and corrupt? yes!

If you were right, good judge Land should have dismissed the case explaining what the facts were, without going into tirades about Orly, without mentioning the “evidence” presented on “factcheck.org”.
He should have done his “lawyering” and be done with the case. He could have washed his hands and advised public what the appropriate forum for addressing the eligibility issue is.

Sounds like this conspiracy IS wide-ranging. As Jim pointed out, the State Dept & HLS made changes to many BC issues in response to 9/11. I'm starting to warm to this theory: it would appear that Osama Bin Laden attacked us on 9/11 to manipulate the State Dept into shell-gaming Obama's BC. Ah, the Evil Usurper's grand plan is monumentally clever and EVIL: how could I be so stupid as to miss the proper placement of the puzzle pieces…

When will you ever get it through your thick heads that you don't get “long form birth certificates” anymore? When you request a birth certificate there is no place to check long form or short form! You get what you get, which is what the president posted and fact check photographed. The state doesn't give a flying fig about what you guys want to see! They don't make 'em like that anymore! My grandchild was born after they changed the format for birth certificates. Her original birth certificate looks like the presidents. That's all you get. Period. Done. End of story.

Here is a link to a story with a video of the State Director of the Department of Health stating once again that she personally saw and examined President Obama's original birth certificate on file with the official office of the Hawaii Department of Health.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/28/videohawa…

She is tired of this foolishness wasting the time of her employee's in her department and wishes you would all just quit bothering them after they have reiterated time and time again that the president was born in Hawaii on the time and date specified. Not according to his grandmother or anyone else unofficial, but according to the records submitted by the hospital where he was born. There have been at least two newspapers who reported the birth at the time it took place. Google or bing the question of articles or video's of Hawaiian officials attesting to the presidents birth place. You will find several. Someone said earlier to show them people who was willing to say it Well, here is one you can watch with your own eyes. But that doesn't seem to mmatter to you guys. You don't want to listen to the truth. The birth certificate that has been available for more than a year is proof he was born in Hawaii. No where else but Hawaii. Therefore your dense “attorney” heroine is wrong as well as being pretty stupid. Her legal filings prove it. She is stupid beyond belief. If a reputable online university indeed gave her a diploma in law, they need to go back and do some serious checking of their accademic requirements. She is surely an embarassment to their reputation.

A gesture of good will? Sort of like sticking a handful of coldcuts in a piranha-infested river and waiting, with hand outstretched, for a show of appreciation? You said Obama was evil, NOT stupid.

I see NC, since the Judge didn't do EXACTLY what you wanted him to do, he is now suspect. Then again, since you're neither a Judge or a Lawyer, this may be normal operating procedure well within the discretion of the Judge. He could have simply stated dismissed because the plaintiff had no standing, but the BS Orly stuck out there needed to be addressed. And, because it was and found to be “Alice in Wonderland” thinking, you don't like it. Well, boo-hoo, maybe you should read up on a little law and the constitution and you wouldn't be caught by these surprises.

Hey, chris, that's better than anything the blowers have come up with. You sure you're not a closet Orly fan?

Surely a president of the USA can get a document from State of Hawaii archive.

Dr. Fukino issued a statment based on the legal advice from AG Benett. That legal advice is a public document. Yet upon request for it – it was denied. Ask yourself why?
What does the term “natural-born American citizen” mean? She refuses to answer that question.

Do I need to post a link to Colin Powell's presentation to UN on WMDs. How about links to statements given by numerous Congress members from both parties, about the same topic? Did their opinion changed the facts on the ground?

If there was nothing to hide, we would have seen the long form birth certificate by now.

No need to invade a foreign country to find out what the truth is, just a little piece of paper allegedly stored in the State archive.

You don't get it yet…you can't have it. And, he doesn't have to show it. He's sitting in the WH, you want him out, prove your case. Otherwise, keep making idiotic demands like you have some sort of authority…you don't and you never will.

Not really…she’s kinda scary!

Where on earth did you come up with that? President Obama's mother involved in organized crime? That has to be THE craziest one I have heard yet. The school he went to after returning to live with his grandparents at 10 years of age was one his grandparents were able to obtain scholarship for him to attend. After high school he only attended one school that was quite expensive and that was Harvard. Scholarships and student loans help students of all kinds to attend schools like that. He had to show he had the smarts to get in to that one though.

I am amazed that people like you would come up with stuff like that when you have no basis of fact. The presidents grandparents were members of what is generally referred to as the “Greatest Generation.” They both served the war effort, his grandfather abroad and his grandmother in a factory building for the war effort. Stanley Ann went without her father's presence for a long time. These days soldiers don't deploy more than a year without coming home. Her father spent six years overseas before he came home to his family. Because they had such a large part of raising the president when he was a boy, you are denigrating good people who gave up more than you could ever imagine in service to their country. And you slobs can sit behind your computers saying all kinds of lying and hateful statements that you have absolutely no proof of. You are really disgusting. And no, I'm not paid by anybody for expressing my opinion but I do spend time researching my facts and reading immense amounts to search out facts. I make phone calls to affirm information on my own dime. I find you despicable for spewing the venomous lies and downright dirty, deceitful and repetitious verbiage you continue to type on these pages. If you do more fact checking and less reading of the same old tired lies that people like Oily Taters keeps regurgitating you might learn something new. Or at least more accurate.

Where are we going to put a plaque commemorating the birth of a US president?

COLB was not acceptable proof for the department of hawaiian lands (whatever the official name is). Their web site was changed in June 2009 to allow COLB as a proof.

Look at the post on top of the thread: There is an extensive list of Obama's lies.

The above absurdity is provided by Orly Taitz's paid propaganda team.

Notice to all. . .captainsteve here work probably works directly for Orly Taitz. No surprise there.

Or is Orly…

Too many errors to count. STFU. You're too stupid to even talk to me.

Oh brother, are you going to fall for that WND BS again? The law wasn't changed, it was clarified for easier reading you incredible fool. If you had taken the time to read the before and after and not listen to schmucks that don't know anything, like you, you'd realize that. But, of course, it doesn't agree with your delusions it must be wrong. “Naturalizedidiot you ignorant slut!”

Congress already covered that for you with the commemoration of Hawaii, also mentioning it as the birthplace of President Obama. Passed unanimously, guess you can't expect congress to impeach him now, can you?

I said STFU, stupid.

I believe Abraham Lincoln, a Republican if I recall correctly, observed,

“That man can put the least amount of ideas in the most amount of space.”

Please allow me to be the first to apologize for spreading misinformation and lies on this page. Apparently the actual words were:

He can compress the most words into the smallest ideas of any man I ever met.

Obummer came to power by circumventing the Constitution and rule of law. His brainwashed masses better realize that it’s you who are in the minority. If Dingle Barry gets away with the scam, everybody will soon enough see that laws no longer have meaning, as it currently is with the corrupt vermin of Ozero’s legacy on the South side of Chicago. The free-for-all will be on. I sure wouldn’t want to be in the minority along with you. You think you can thumb you noses at giant? You better think twice.

People need to wake up and see this Usurper-in-Chief for the lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan Chicago thug for who he is!

Obummer came to power by circumventing the Constitution and rule of law. His brainwashed masses better realize that it’s you who are in the minority. If Dingle Barry gets away with the scam, everybody will soon enough see that laws no longer have meaning, as it currently is with the corrupt vermin of Ozero’s legacy on the South side of Chicago. The free-for-all will be on. I sure wouldn’t want to be in the minority along with you. You think you can thumb you noses at giant? You better think twice.

People need to wake up and see this Usurper-in-Chief for the lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan Chicago thug for who he is!

The above smear is provided by Orly Taitz's paid propaganda team.

Hohum…left with nothing else, cap'n is now on a ranting, slobbering, and generally ineffective rage. Since the congress, SCOTUS, the constitution, the electoral college, and the american people are behind our President, he's left howling at the moon…which is basically all he's been doing for the last few weeks.

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

Do I need to post a link to Colin Powell’s presentation to UN on WMDs. How about links to statements given by numerous Congress members from both parties, about the same topic? Did their opinion changed the facts on the ground?

Thanks for the link, there was an interesting comment there about two cases from 1800s where the term “natural born citizen” was defined:
“…
Though not defined in the Constitution, it has been defined in both Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (U.S. 01/02/1856) and The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 1814. In both, the term “natural born citizen” is defined as a child born on the country’s soil to TWO citizens of that country…”

I guess this is my next reading assignment.

Do I need to post a link to Colin Powell’s presentation to UN on WMDs. How about links to statements given by numerous Congress members from both parties, about the same topic? Did their opinion changed the facts on the ground?

Thanks for the link, there was an interesting comment there about two cases from 1800s where the term “natural born citizen” was defined:
“…
Though not defined in the Constitution, it has been defined in both Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (U.S. 01/02/1856) and The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 1814. In both, the term “natural born citizen” is defined as a child born on the country’s soil to TWO citizens of that country…”

I guess this is my next reading assignment.

Where is your proof that he is a FORMER cocaine addict?
When did he get off drugs?

A non biding resolution is worthless. The same is true for the one issued last year about McCain.
It is only used as a smoke screen to deceive uninformed people.

^ Another of Orly's split personalities is at it again! Run!

Do you believe that in every COLB (without exception) the place of birth is identical to the data stored in the original vital records?

Do you believe that in every COLB (without exception) the place of birth is identical to the data stored in the original vital records?

Actually, Judge Land noted it in his opinion. So, it does carry some weight. And you've proven to be among the uninformed people without a clue. The rest of us just laugh at you.

Either way, you've just described every single birfer to a T.

Just ask Larry Sinclair about the powder and other things. Or was it rock?

Oldman, you idiot…that was with his meetings with Orly! Didn't you read his latest filing? The one where he said Orly asked him to lie? Talk about a clean miss!!!

Sure, whatever the voices tell you…. So you going to pitch in and help Orly pay that 20K or what?

Good point! I stand corrected!

Jim you have seen NOTHING. I have seen NOTHING. No one has seen anything dealing with Obama's citizenship. Nancy Pelosi not only has not seen anything to vet him she knows enough that she faked the DNC papers and left out “constitutionally eligible” because she knows he is not a Natural Born American Citizen. Not one official has seen anything on paper not even that photoshopped COLB posted on Obot websites, that proves he is a citizen much less a Natural Born American Citizen. Jim name one official in our Federal Government that has admitted to vetting this foreigner. You want the lies to be believed but America is no longer buying the BS! Time to turn the page. This illusion is over. Reality is back to American politics, the Communist coup has been defeated before it got a real start. This is America! We are Americans! Communism is a hated enemy and will always be fought and defeated. That's the way it has always been and that is the way it will always be.

I don't believe Sinclair if off it yet. At least, it seems like Orly wasn't paying him enough to keep his habit going so he sued her to try and get more.

Good point. Should I add rump ranger to my list?

My friend “goodness” went out in the Clinton years. Now all we have is greed and corruption for this little group of have nots or that little group of underclass. All led by the New World Order Communists. Promise them anything they need and make them need more for that need is the ring in their nose that allows them to be led to slaughter. Can “we” save our America? We can only try my friend!

Now, you see here oldmoreBS, this is where I explain the facts of life to you.
1) Obama was born in Hawaii, as per Hawaii.
2) Per the 10th amendment, no other state or federal entity can question that fact unless they PROVE he was not born there.
3) Per SCOTUS, being born in the US makes you a natural born citizen (KWA 1898)
4) Obama is legally sitting in the WH and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
5) You are so funny and delusional…come up with another lie!

WE don't have a leader we are all anarchists!
There is a world wide Communist conspiracy to destroy the United States as we know it.
There are many traitors in our government today. They are the ones that support the usurper and his corrupt organizations. Like ACORN.
As for Obots, Just look at this site and all the others, Obots are as thick as flies on BS. Seems that that is what they love best.

Obots, you'd better hurry and sign up for your Obama money, I hear he's giving everyone an average of $3,000. I got my $1,300 already.

Thousands Mob Detroit Center, Hope for Free Cash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV2ngvYI_ZU

Obama Causes Welfare Chaos In Detroit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGLB8LO1aM

Rush Limbaugh: In Line For 'Obama Money' In Detroit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKb78kJhaMw

If Obama was Pinokio his nose would have already made it around the world and would now be stuck up his ???

The SCOTUS and or the POTUS could get a copy ASAP.

The SCOTUS and or the POTUS could get a copy ASAP.

So, I'm not sure who is lying…Orly or Sinclair. Who do you think, cap'n? What about you NC, oldman, borderraven…who's the liar. According to your logic, if they lie about one thing they'll lie about everything else. So, what do you think. Is Orly a liar and you can't trust anything she says? Or is Sinclair the liar? Me, I lean toward both. But, I'm biased, I think all of you are nuts.

If anyone want to be CEO of USA, Inc., they'll have to jump through hoops and comply with request for records to back up their resume. We require more of an applicant for FBI Special Agent, than for POTUS. Try applying for a Top Secret Security clearance, and count the hurdles you have to jump. Heck, we give out POTUS as prizes in Cracker-Jack boxes these days!

Anyone know why Cap'n Steve keeps pasting identical posts?

By your answer, you demonstrated you are the one who is stupid. And nobody shuts me up. I will continue to speak and post as long as there is breath in my body, as I have always done when wrongs and injustices have been in front of me. You do our country and our president disservice. I have not always liked presidents that we have had in office but I have always given the office the respect it deserves. You dishonor yourself as well as our country by spouting the filth you spout. You are the one who should be silent. And no one pays me to stand up for what is right. So even though I do not use the foul language you do, you can shut up.

Material's drying up. Can't do much more than rant and drool now. Really sad to watch them fall apart like that. Actually, all the copying and pasting of paid agents is kind of funny. Can you imagine if each side WAS paying to have people sit in chat rooms and argue about nothing? Talk about stimulating the economy! Definitely not stimulating conversation…just delusional blower s**t.

I sent an email to Sacramento California requesting nominee certifications for DNC

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19949541/SACCA2009091…

Missing constitutional qualification.

And the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH displayed on FactCheck, is nothing more than a sworn statement certifying certain data was was transcribed accurately. In order to verify the untrustworthy Obama's NBC status, he needs to drop trou', take a wide stance, squat low, and grunt hard, if he is to produce any tangible evidence in court, because up 'til now he has only produced a handful of green toilet paper!

Pelosi better find an orifice on her body capable of holding a few vials of BOTOX, because a few years in priso is going to wrinkle her brow something ugly!

In 1961 his being President had not one damn thing to do with it! They just wanted him to be an American citizen because in '61 America was the greatest place on earth in everybody's mind. It was only later that he figured out he could get college for free if he used his real foreign status in school. Now he wants to hide his foreign status because be can not be a Natural Born American Citizen if he was a foreigner as he said he was in college. So many lies so few truths.

Please answer one simple question if you have researched all this as you say you have.
Was Stanley Ann Dunham and both her parents members of the American Communist Party and did they associate with and allow the baby Obama to be around Frank Marshall Davis? I'll wait for your reply.

I did not read Sinclair's book. I was referring to Obama's own book wheer he mentioned cocaine use in college.

How does a person get off cocaine – is rehab necessary or is it possible to just quit?

you— we don't have a President today to do a disservice to, just a foreign usurper sleeping in our White House spouting Communist propaganda to all that will buy it.

According to an AOL poll, 85% of all Americans believe that Obama's birth certificate needs to be produced. 'Nuff said.

Looking for an Obot? Just follow the times of the posts. Paid Obots post all day and night, seems they work shifts and keep the same screen name throughout the day. You can tell a difference in style from one Obot to the next when they relieve each other. Minimum wage doesn't cost the Obamas that much.

Jim this tired BS you made up ages ago is just plain stinking BS nothing more nothing less.
1. We have no prof.
2. Simply your BS.
3. SCOTUS has never addressed the Natural Born Presidential requirement. That's what we want them to do and ASAP!
4. The usurper is sleeping in our White House, but his days are numbered thanks to Judge Carter.
5. For an Obot you at least have a sense of humor, I hope to one day have you on our side.

We check Presidential eligibility about like we check citizenship during traffic stops.

And just how much has your usurper cost the taxpayers? Trillions!
Get Real!

I guess he posts it once to convince himself and the second time to try and convince the rest of us! Doesn't really matter- if I see his name I just bypass it now. He has nothing worthwhile to say.

By the way- I hope you all take the time to read the order from Judge Land where he sanctioned Oily Taters $20,000.00, if you haven't read it already. I know it is kind of long but it is so worth it. Who'd thought a court order could be so entertaining??!!

It is an awesome read! =)

Sorry oldloonytune, those are the facts you have to overcome. So far, you're 0-fer. And still failing strong. My sense of humor is the delusional world you live in, who needs reality TV when we have reality idiocracy.

Why I'm not a stupid lefty-loser-libtard.

If a conservative doesn’t like guns, they don’t buy one. If a liberal doesn’t like guns, then no one should have one.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don’t eat meat. If a liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life. If a liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.

If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A liberal wants all churches to be silenced.

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.

Who's the liar? Your mirror knows.

You're right. The other 15% are obaNazis.

In one of his autobiographies, Obama admitted that he abused cocaine while in college. Are you calling him a liar too?

How does a person get off cocaine. Is it possible to simply stop or is it necessary to go through rehab program?

Here is the British Nationality Act of 1948;

5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth:

Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was a British Citizen by Jr.s admission and all known facts. Therefore Jr. was born a British Citizen as stated by British law above. Now read John Jay's letter to George Washington about adding the Natural Born requirement to our constitution to prevent British usurpers from becoming Commander in Chief and destroying us from within and you now know why BHO is ineligible to hold the office of POTUS! In black and white, no BC or COLB needed. How much simpler could it be. Facts are facts. Spin this Obots!

Raven did the SOB tax you $1,700.00?

WKA does not define a natural born status. Read the last paragraph describing in a nutshell what the case was all about.

You heard what he told a reporter about him quitting smoking didn't you? ” you will never 'see' me smoking in the White House” just like Slick Willie and “it depends on what the definition of is,is”.
Born liars.

My 2 cents – Sinclair & Obama

Well I can see why you hate liberals if you believe all that nonsense about them

That's his maintenance regimen when he's having one of his frequent dissociative fugues

Isn't smoking on the Cap'n's list of reasons to impeach Evil Usurper?

An ESSENTIAL read for anyone who blogs here

Should be, smokers have no respect for themselves how can they respect others?

Sir, please remember that you have posted misinformation during debate earlier on this topic. Since you have proven you will post fiction as fact, you have proven that dismissing your statements is logical.

Perhaps Judge Land found similar falsehoods in Ms. Taitz' lawsuit?

So, by quoting a British law, what you are saying is that we, as Americans, take the back seat to British laws.

Is that your argument?

“If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life. “

been tapping your toes again, huh?

So?

90% of college graduates from the 70's to through the mid 80's drank too much, smoked pot, snorted coke, had unprotected sex, etc.

The ones that didn't were the social misfits.

Further evidence that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him float on his back. Mr. 666 was posting fictional accounts of the British Nationality Act (BNA). I posted a link hoping for a better informed discussion. My hopes were in vain. Mr. 666 selectively read the BNA for only the sections that supported his case.

Mr. 666 did not post Section 5 in its entirety. His post is a portion of the first sentence. The balance is

Provided that if the father of such a person is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by virtue of this section unless—

(a) that person is born or his father was born in a protectorate, protected state, mandated territory or trust territory or any place in a foreign country where by treaty, capitulation, grant, usage, sufferance, or other lawful means, His Majesty then has or had jurisdiction over British subjects; or
(Note: This means born in the United Kingdom or territory)

(b) that person's birth having occurred in a place in a foreign country other than a place such as is mentioned in the last foregoing paragraph, the birth is registered at a United Kingdom consulate within one year of its occurrence, or, with the permission of the Secretary of State, later; or
(This means written notification to a British Embassy)

(c) that person's father is, at the time of the birth, in Crown service under His Majesty's government in the United Kingdom; or
(This means offspring of someone like an Ambassador)

(d) that person is born in any country mentioned in subsection (3) of section one of this Act in which a citizenship law has then taken effect and does not become a citizen thereof on birth.
(There is a list of countries that are irrelevant to the article.)

Mr. 666 completely ignores section 7:

7.—(1) The Secretary of State may cause the minor child of any citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies to be registered as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies upon application made in the prescribed manner by a parent or guardian of the child.

In other words, President Obama is a natural born citizen whose parents had the right to petition the Crown for British citizenship until his 21st birthday.

Please understand, I am not a lawyer. I just study evidence and try to get the facts right.

Yes. That is what oldracistman is saying:British law trumps US law—in the USA, no less.

What an idiot. Spin what? Obama was born a natural born American Citizen in Hawaii who was entitled to duel citizenship (as a child) because of his father’s nationality. But he did not choose to act on that choice as an adult, and having that “choice” as a child does not diminish in any way his American citizenship. On the other side of that my youngest child was born in Japan to two natural born Americans and because he was born there he was also entitled to duel citizenship. As an adult if he so chose he could have given up his American citizenship and become a Japanese citizen. He did not make that choice, and neither did Obama choose to be British.

My stepdaughters were born to an American mother and British father. As children they had two passports, one US one UK. They are now adults and could have chosen to become British citizens, but didn’t and they too are Natural born American citizens born right here in the good ol’ USA, just like Obama.

So what’s your point?

The Fourteen Amendment, ratified July 9, 1868 after the Civil War, states in part: “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” In 1898 the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 that the Fourteenth Amendment applies to children born in the United States to parents who are not citizens of the United States such that the children automatically become citizens upon birth.

So if a child born on American soil to two non-citizens is a Natural Born American, what makes you think that a child born to an American, on American soil is not a Natural born American?

Of course there is no point in pointing out reality to those residing in the twilight zone.

There are two kinds of obummer supporters, well intentioned but ignorant, or knowledgeable but low-life scum.

Only a disgusting vile scum of a person would even suggest that there is anything wrong with wanting to confirm the legality any president, especially one surrounded by so much uncertainty.

You're right again!

Well, there's only one kind of blower supporter, dumb and white. Past that, I have to admit they are entertaining in their total devotion of following Orly around like a love-sick mutt. No matter how bad of a lawyer she's proven to be.

I'm waiting for Judge Carter's to be issued. It's funny that he was ready to rule against Orly about standing (according to Kreep) but decided to issue a written one instead when they started pleading and had their cultists cheering. Now, we win because we get to read another Orly beatdown.

You quote one thing from WKA and in the next sentence you misquote it!?

WKA gives CITIZENSHIP status to children of resident aliens. They are NOT natural born citizens.

Sounds like a RACIST statement! You got something against White People?

He is saying that a status of a child born as a dual citizen is governed by laws of two countries – therefore such child is not a natural born citizen of USA.

Do not lump all those activities together.
How many of them abused cocaine?

How did Obama finance his habit? He does not come from a wealthy family.

And yet, SCOTUS says he could still become POTUS…isn’t that interesting.

Your children you mention may well be American citizens but they are not today nor can they ever become Natural Born American Citizens. They can NEVER become a “legal” POTUS! The 14th amendment does not deal with Natural Born in any way. It deals with simple citizenship. Natural Born is a special requirement for the office of President and later by amendment VP.
The founding fathers knew they were not Natural Born when they put the requirement into the Constitution. They had non American parents and were themselves born British Citizens, just like Obama, they were not eligible to carry the title Natural Born American Citizen. So they added;

“unless you are a citizen at the time of the adoption of this constitution”

This allowed the first 10 Presidents to hold office even though they were not Natural Born. There were no Natural Born American citizens when that requirement was added to our new Constitution. No one had American citizen parents at the time of their birth and no one was born an American themselves, they were all foreign born Englishmen. Why would they add language for a requirement they themselves could not meet? To prevent exactly what happened in November or 2008, a foreigner becoming commander in chief and destroying America from within. Read John Jay's letter to George Washington dealing with Natural Born. Wake up America! The Constitution still means what it says!

NO! British Law makes him a British Citizen, American Law can not change that. American Law (Constitutional) makes a British Citizen ineligible to become POTUS. Really quite simple.

NO! British Law makes him a British Citizen, American Law can not change that. American Law (Constitutional) makes a British Citizen ineligible to become POTUS. Really quite simple.

So, if any other country passes a law governing people born in this country they can invalidate them from being POTUS, is that your argument?

Kind of weak.

Cuban law cannot be extended to chilldren born in the USA of US citizen parents.

They could make a law to grant Cuban citizenship to a child of Cuban citizens even if that child was born in the USA for example.

In that case, child would not be considered a natural born US citizen because parent(s) were not US citizens at the time of child’s birth.

From the Wong Kim Ark majority opinion:

The Constitution of the United States, as originally adopted, uses the words “citizen of the United States,” and “natural-born citizen of the United States.”

That part is pretty straight forward.

The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”

Again, this part is pretty straight forward.

In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution.

Interpreting the Constitution in the context of English Common law has been a standard part of SCOTUS decision making since the very beginning.

The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called “ligealty,” “obedience,” “faith,” or “power” of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King’s allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual — as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem — and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.

I know that the use of Latin terms tends to give birthers headaches, but the concept here is quite clear. If you were born under the protection of the kings laws, then you are subject to those laws.

The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.”

Again, this is perfectly logical and reasonable. The terminology may have changed, but the meaning behind the terms remained the same. Subjects of the crown became citizens of the state.

The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.

Again, this is a very important point. There is no evidence that these rules were ever changed or redefined by the founders of this country. It must be emphaticly pointed out that Vattel was not a founder of this country and there is NO EVIDENCE to support the claim that his continental interpretation of citizenship laws (as opposed to the traditional British interpretation of those laws) was ever established as a basis for U.S. law. No evidence whatsoever.

All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.

There you go, birthers, that is where Justice Gray explicitly rules that Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen. Read it and weap

The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.

just in case you missed it in the last quote, he reiterates it for you. How can it be any clearer than that?

Part (b), above there indicates that the birth had to be registered within a year for the law to be applicable.

There you go, send Orly to England! LOL

Under Irish law, if your parents or grandparents were born in Ireland, then you are an Irish citizesn, even if they emigrated here, and became naturalized before you were born. Are those Americans excluded from being POTUS as well?

Only certain ones…why, are you one of them?

What part of the above do you find relevant in this case?

Well, let's see what SCOTUS has to say…well first we have KWA from antibirther above:

All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.

There you go, birthers, that is where Justice Gray explicitly rules that Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen. Read it and weep

The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.

just in case you missed it in the last quote, he reiterates it for you. How can it be any clearer than that?

But, furthermore, blowers will start arguing that Obama may have been adopted and had his citizenship changed by his folks. Well, SCOTUS saw you coming also…

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, it follows that persons may have a dual nationality. 1 And the mere fact that the plaintiff may have acquired Swedish citizenship by virtue of the operation of Swedish law, on the resumption of that citizenship by her parents, does not compel the conclusion that she has lost her own citizenship acquired under our law. As at birth she became a citizen of the United States, at citizenship must be deemed to continue unless she has been deprived of it through the operation of a treaty or congressional enactment or by her voluntary action in conformity with applicable legal principles.

So look at that, SCOTUS says that american citizenship is not affected by another country's laws. And, you CAN have dual citizenship. Plus, what your parents do cannot change your citizenship. Isn't the nice!

Now who would you believe, NC and Oldfart who have nothing to back up their statements, or SCOTUS who is the final authority?

Are you saying he was never registered. Are you saying you have prof of a negative situation? Are you saying he never had a British Passport?
What are you saying?

citizenship at birth is the same thing as natural born citizenship.

Yes. Exactly, that is the reason the founding fathers put this exclusionary clause in our constitution. Anyone with ties (allegiance) to any other country is ineligible for POTUS as it would be a conflict of loyalties.

Well, our founding fathers were intelligent enough to see idiots like you coming along. That’s why they wrote the constitution like they did, so nutcases like you would not be allowed to create 2nd class citizenship. Past that, it’s just another useless speech that has no facts to worry about. BTW…I’m against anybody who wants to turn our constitution into a tool of hate and exclusion, so I suppose that means I’m against you.

Well, our founding fathers were intelligent enough to see idiots like you coming along. That’s why they wrote the constitution like they did, so nutcases like you would not be allowed to create 2nd class citizenship. Past that, it’s just another useless speech that has no facts to worry about. BTW…I’m against anybody who wants to turn our constitution into a tool of hate and exclusion, so I suppose that means I’m against you.

Where in the constitution does it say that? I think you're misinterpreting that. Then again, why would it surprise me that you have no idea what you're talking about.

The founding fathers were protecting America from foreigners, not protecting foreigners rights that were new to America. Their children's children could one day be eligible for POTUS but they should be assimilated into the American culture before that was allowed to take place.

I'm saying that you are chiroptera excrement insane.

On the contrary- John McCain was born in Panama and when hearings were held to determine if he was eligible to run for president it was determined he was. As previously stated many times, there have been 7 presidents born here to one citizen and one non-citizen. They still became president and guess what? This country survived them just fine even if one parent was a non-citizen. Didn't have any presidents convicted of treason because they had a loyalty to another country. Our government wasn't turned over to another country. What else is it that has you worried about the Obama pesidency? I don't think he has any particular connection or allegance to another country, British or otherwise. He seems to be pretty focused on what's going on right here in the U.S.

For your reading pleasure, I am posting the following.

Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code states the following persons are considered “citizens at birth” and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:

•Anyone born in the United States.
•Any Native American or Native Alaskan born in the United States (provided that U.S. citizenship does not affect the person's status as a tribal citizen).
•Anyone born outside the United States to U.S. citizen parents, as long as at least one lived in the United States before the person was born.
•Anyone born outside the United States if one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year, and the other is a U.S. national.
•Anyone born in a U.S. possession if at least one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year.
•Anyone found in the U.S. before the age of five whose parentage is unknown, as long as proof of foreign birth is not shown by age 21.
•Anyone born outside the United States to an alien parent and a citizen parent who lived in the United States for at least five years (military and diplomatic service or dependency to be included in this requirement).
•Anyone born before May 23, 1934 to an alien father and a citizen mother who lived in the United States for any period.
U.S. Constitution United States law Constitutional law

It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth.
Yes, if that birth is to two American Citizen Parents (Blood) and on American Soil to parents with no foreign allegiance. His father had allegiance to England being a British Citizen. For Christ's sake read John Jay's letter.

So, you have just stated that based on the Irish law that states that if your grandparents were born in Ireland, a person born in this country to two citizen parents can not be POTUS.

What is Ireland were to repeal that law, would they then become eligible?

What if Iran passed a law that all left handed redheads born in North America were automatically citizens of Iran, retroactively since birth? Would that mean that we could never have a left handed, red haired president?

John Jay had nothing to do with Wong Kim Ark, nor did he redefine the term natural born to mean anything other than the meaning that his training and education as a lawyer gave to it under the precedence of English common law.

Yes, if that birth is to two American Citizen Parents (Blood) and on American Soil to parents with no foreign allegiance.

That is not what it says. It says quite clearly and distinctly that even if your parents were aliens, if you were born her, then you are a natural born citizen.

End of the argument.

Face it, you lost.

Back to the Wong Kim Ark case. In the latter part of the 19th century, the United States, in one of its less glorious moments, enacted a series of laws known as the Chinese Exclusion Acts. The point of these laws was that Chinese laborers were welcome to come to the U.S. and work but they were denies the perks of U.S. citizenship. In the Wong Kim Ark case, the son of a Chinese couple, who was born in San Francisco left to visit China. When he returned, he was refused entry at the port of San Francisco. He sued, claiming that he was a citizen under the 14th amendment.
Wong Kim Ark won the case in the lower courts and the U.S., represented by a Mr. George Collins, appealed the decision, they lost and it was appealed again, all the way to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court upheld the lower courts decisions and ruled that Wong Kim Ark was indeed a natural born citizen.
Of note is the argument that Mr. Collins presented to support his case in the Supreme Court. In his written brief, his last and best argument against giving Wong Kim Ark the status of citizenship by way of birth went as follows:
— —
For the most persuasive reasons we have refused citizenship to Chinese subjects; and yet, as to their offspring, who are just as obnoxious, and to whom the same reasons for exclusion apply with equal force, we are told that we must accept them as fellow-citizens, and that, too, because of the mere accident of birth. There certainly should be some honor and dignity in American citizenship that would be sacred from the foul and corrupting taint of a debasing lineage.

Are Chinese children born in this country to share with the descendants of the patriots of the American Revolution the exalted qualification of being eligible to the Presidency of the nation, conferred by the Constitution in recognition of the importance and dignity of citizenship by birth?
— — —
How many of you can see the same tired, racist, arguments being made by the birthers?

Note also that Mr. Collins clearly concedes that if he lost this case (which he did), then being born in this country as a citizen was enough to qualify one to be president.

Does Dingle Barry act guilty?

When a car is pulled over by a cop. A normal honest person pulls over and shows their license. Simple.

Criminals will engage in all manner of tricks and evasions to to keep the truth from being known. The more energetic the evasion, the more serious the likely crime.

It's pretty obvious which behavior obummer has chosen. He's GUILTY!!!

You're wrong as usual!

Looking for a birfer? Look for the same factually and legally-challenged spam posts, most of which will include a rant written in all-caps. Better yet, follow the trail of drool and the smell of peroxide. Birfers follow Taitz wherever she goes, and since they've somehow managed to be even dumber than she is, they're fully convinced a a record of 0-40 is somehow a good thing. Drool buckets don't cost the birfers that much.

I think Jim was pretty specific with the statement qualifier:
Dumb & white.
Oldracistman, does the shoe fit?

Birfers are unshakeable in their insistence that there is something special about Obama which warrants the pathological scrutiny. Since law and common sense have systematically ruled out the Birfer's each and EVERY new spin on the citizenship/eligibility issue, that leaves a pretty obvious reason why they are still obsessed with—-in their very own words at this site—-putting BO him chains. No, it's not his party affiliation.

captain, been to the right since Jimmy Carter, had to separate myself from the uneducated Communist fools.

No.
For natural born US citizens, there is no basis for any other country's law to apply.

If you have a dual citizenship at birth you are automatically governed by laws of two countries.

Really, oldfart? And where, pray tell, is that in the constitution? Now we're going to have to assimilate our population? Sounds like the Borg are attacking. You sure you're in the right century, or you been watching too much TV and can't tell the difference between real life and the imaginary one in your mind?

Actually, no. He showed a legal BC and even went so far as to post it on the web…something no other candidate did. So, he's been extremely open and forthcoming. Blowers, on the other hand, have to lie, misquote laws, show a total disrespect for the constitution, and follow a nutcase around like she's in heat. Seems to me blowers are the ones with something to hide.

Two kinds: (1) dumb and white; and (2) Alan Keyes.

Sorry, NC, SCOTUS just doesn't agree with you…

'Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States;

PERKINS v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

By birth in this country, he was an american citizen able to become President if the people so decide. That's pretty direct way of saying you're full of it NC. Unless, you want to show SCOTUS opinions that disagree…otherwise it's just another of your blowhard arguments that has no basis in american law or fact.

You will not find that definition in the Constitution.
It does not fit with the intent of writers of the Constitution.

From the viewpoint of national security, the position of CIC requres undivided loyalty to the USA only.
Children born to foreigners do not fall into this category. Their status is also guided by laws of a foreign countries.

If a foreign country laws apply to you at birth based on the citizenship of your parents – you are not a natural born citizen.

Jim this is just how America was set up by our founding fathers. They wanted to be separate from the rest of the world and better than the rest of the societies. For 200 years we have been successful in this venture. We are still the greatest Country on Earth! Now there are those that want to throw us into the sewer of World Government and say all we have accomplished has been wrong and we have to “change”. Well we do not believe that lie. We are great and we will stay great because we have some of the greatest people on Earth making up America. We will never settle for second best. If we ever do we will no longer be America. Let the world and the New World Order go where that may. If we stay as the founding fathers created us we will remain the biggest most powerful force on Planet Earth. That is what we are fighting for today. Are you with us or against us?

Rules governing a natural-born subject in UK and natural born citizen in the US are not the same.

Naturalization act from 1790 speaks volumes about the original intent for natural born status. That act gave the natural born status to children of US citizens (plural) born outside the continental USA.

It was repealed in 1795 giving the children of US citizens born abroad a citizenship status (not a natural born citizenship).

Jim! Dumb ASS, read your own post;
N A T I V E – B O R N A M E R I C A N
C I T I Z E N

Words mean things! “citizen”, “Native-Born Citizen”, “Natural Born American Citizen” Are all different classifications of types of citizens. They are not interchangeable.
That's why the only position in our Government that requires the holder to be a Natural Born American Citizen is President and by amendment VP.

Jim! Dumb ASS, read your own post;
N A T I V E – B O R N A M E R I C A N
C I T I Z E N

Words mean things! “citizen”, “Native-Born Citizen”, “Natural Born American Citizen” Are all different classifications of types of citizens. They are not interchangeable.
That's why the only position in our Government that requires the holder to be a Natural Born American Citizen is President and by amendment VP.

Were parents of young Steinkauler US citizens at the time of child's birth?

Were parents of young Steinkauler US citizens at the time of child's birth?

Which is an interpretation that is contrary to the historic usage of the term.

“natural born” has ALWAYS meant the same as “by right of birth.”

Give it up. no one agrees with you.

Are you quoting a court's decision or somebody's opinion?

So if Cuba were to pass a law saying “anyone named “Mike Huckabee” is a citizen of Cuba,” then we could never have a president named “Mike Huckabee.”

Hmm, maybe you're on to something there. . . . LOL

It doesn't matter, since Germany considered him to be a citizen of Germany. That's why they wanted him to serve in their military.

According to your theory a child born to illegal aliens is a natural born citizen of the USA!?

The only reason phrase “natural born citizen” was added to the constitution was desire to prevent foreigners form being able to command the US military.

Dual allegiance at birth means that you are not a natural born citizen.

Prove it. You saying it means nothing, prove it. Show me in the constitution and SCOTUS opinions where the laws are what you say. How many different citizens are there? By my reading of the constitution, there is only 2. Natural Born and Naturalized. So show me where that is different. I pulled direct SCOTUS quotes to prove my point, if you can't do the same you're full of it…again.

Really, oldmissedlife, SCOTUS says directly that a “native-born” citizen can become President, if we elect him. Are you now saying that SCOTUS doesn't know what they're talking about and you have some sort of BS over their opinions? You are like a straight man in a comedy act, I keep setting you up and you keep proving what an idiot you are.

WKA gave citizenship to children of foreign residents of USA.

Could you name those seven presidents?
How many of them were eligible based on the grandfathered clause of being a citizen at the time of adoption of the Constitution?

Citizen at birth is not equal to natural born citizen.

They haven't shown anything other than a photo-shopped image. Show me the real one and we'll talk.

Forthcoming are they? Let's see:

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released — over $1,000,000 spent to conceal — birth certificate — $15.
Certification of Live Birth — Released – probable counterfeit
Admitted British/Kenyan citizenship at birth — Admitted
Hospital of birth — Three hospitals have some claim — 2 in Hawaii 1 in Kenya
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Not released by Obama — released by independent investigators
Kindergarten records – “lost”
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — not released by Obama — released by independent investigators
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce – concealed by Obama — released by independent investigators
Selective Service Registration — Released – and proven counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released — investigation witness shot dead
Columbia University records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” – Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — “Lost”
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

Fail pTOTUS fail!

Your analogy is faulty.

Although both a driver's licence and birth certificate are admissible evidence, you refuse to accept one. You insist that a birth certificate is not a birth certificate (spare me your several definitions of birth certificate.)

In the Jim Crow South, there were people that were required to pass a 'poll test.' This test measured the voter's ability to satisfy a list of requirements. If the prospective voter was able to pass the test, additional sections were added until the inevitable failure occurred.

Court decisions are called opinions. Why, does that confuse you?

And, in giving that citizenship, allowed a child of 2 non-citizens to be eligible to be elected president, if the people so choose to elect him.

“The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.”

Natural Born Citizen=place of birth. Easy, isn't it? So, by being born in Hawaii, Obama is a NBC.

KWA 1898

“The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.”

Natural Born Citizen=place of birth. Easy, isn't it? So, by being born in Hawaii, Obama is a NBC.

Wanna bet? Obama did it!

I found your list on a site named 'Yedda', posted by 'American Patriot' on 11.27.2008. It appears that Mr. Patriot cut 'n' pasted this idea 100 times, a common affliction among this group.

I also found James Von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum killer, posted this list (02.12.2008) before Mr. Patriot. Interested readers can still find it at:
http://www.dn.no/forum/?display=topic&forum_id=…

Where can I go to see these assertions with supporting evidence? Something not involving the murder of people because of their skin color or religion if possible.

The issue isn't whether I type the list out, moron. It's what's on the list. Read it again. Freakin' obot numb-skull.

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released — over $1,000,000 spent to conceal — birth certificate — $15.
Certification of Live Birth — Released – probable counterfeit
Admitted British/Kenyan citizenship at birth — Admitted
Hospital of birth — Three hospitals have some claim — 2 in Hawaii 1 in Kenya
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Not released by Obama — released by independent investigators
Kindergarten records – “lost”
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — not released by Obama — released by independent investigators
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce – concealed by Obama — released by independent investigators
Selective Service Registration — Released – and proven counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released — investigation witness shot dead
Columbia University records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” – Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — “Lost”
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

It's not the same list, Buffoon.

1. Judge Grey explicitly mentions that WKA case adresses case of citizenship, not the natural born citizenship.

2. Where shall we put the plaque commemorating the birth of a US president.
A village in Kenya is building a monument. How about Hawaii?

1) Judge Grey explicitly states that a “Natural Born Citizen” is one born in the country. I realize reading comprehension is not your strong point, that is why I cut it down to just that paragraph…and you STILL have to prove your stupidity.

2) Already taken care of, Congress passed a resolution honoring Hawaii's addition as a state and being the birthplace of President Obama. Passed unanimously. Wasn't that nice, all of congress believes that Obama is a NBC and legal president of our United States.

He is an usurper-in-chief, fighting for dismissal of eligibility lawsuits using the “standing” issue.
He knows that he cannot prevail in courts and prove a natural born US citizenship status.

Actually, he knows he's the legal President and there's no reason to waste the courts' time, like Orly did to Judge Land. Besides, he doesn't have to prove he's legal…he's already in the WH. You want him out, it is up to you to prove he's not. Unless, of course, you don't believe in our constitution and laws. Then you can just keep spitting into the wind, because that's all your arguments are worth.

Particular quote is Collins' opinion.

If Orly loses a case, will her statments count as valid law in future cases?

If she gets to become a Judge, yes. Of course, nobody has to worry about that, just like nobody has to worry about delusional blowers ever getting a brain.

The Ofraud’s supporters love to trot out newspaper ads as proof. We’ll here’s an article from Nairobi Kenya’s newspaper, the East African Standard, about Obummer’s Kenyan birth. This was in 2004 before Bill Ayers and his radical left buddies began re-engineering him and scrubbing the internet for evidence of his true background.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

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Code does not say that those citizens are eligible for presidency.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

Mom let you back on the internets?

So, cap'n, before 2004 the internets were just chock full of evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, and Bill Ayers has miraculously managed to delete everything except this one article? Any theories on how he pulled that off?

And if newspapers are now evidence, might you give some credence to the two Honolulu newpapers that published contemporaneous announcements of Barack Obama's birth? Didn't think so.

Must suck to be you.

1. Read the last paragraph of the WKA decision where Judge Grey explicitly mentions what the case was all about.

2. It is a non binding resolution. Its only “value” is to provide PR cover for Obama.
In addition, it does not mention the “natural born status”. This is your manipulation.

Translation for the non-birfers out there:

“Wahhh!!!! The pwesident won't show me his birf sertfikat! He's a big 'ol comyunist yooserper meanie doodie-head! I want my blankey!”

1) Yep, about making the child of 2 foreigners a NBC. I know you don't like it, but it is used all the time in SCOTUS opinions about citizenship since it was written.

2) The very simple value is that the only way to remove a sitting President is impeachment…if all of Congress agrees that Obama is a NBC (see Senator Graham's comments) then you'll never get him removed. You'll have to vote him out, as it should be.

The scum is out tonight. yawnnnn

More scum. More yawnnnn

Thank you for proving my point.

You quoted Mr. Collins in order to define the NBC status.
Was he a judge when he lost the WKA case?

As long as the public is informed that we have an usurper in the White House no formal removal is needed.
Dems will force him to resign on his own. Just like Nixon did.

Cool, you just wait for the democrats…before that we'll probably have a couple of elections. Then, the Democrats will nominate someone else in 2016. Maybe Hillary since the pubs like her so much.

Yes, but you have a right to be here so we don't say too much about it

Actually, yes, due to specific interpretations of the 14th Amendment a child born to illegal aliens is considered a natural-born citizen. It's actually an issue being addressed by Homeland Security as they're concerned about these kids sponsoring family members for US Citizenship.

it was Collins argument before the court. The argument that lost the case.

I ask for evidence, you say bufoon.
I ask for proof, you say moron.
I ask for intelligence, you say numb-skull.

Heresay, rumor, innuendo from you.
Game, set, and match to me.

So you agree that the NBC status that I quoted is correct?

Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code states the following persons are considered “citizens at birth” and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:

•Anyone born in the United States.

•Any Native American or Native Alaskan born in the United States (provided that U.S. citizenship does not affect the person's status as a tribal citizen).

•Anyone born outside the United States to U.S. citizen parents, as long as at least one lived in the United States before the person was born.

•Anyone born outside the United States if one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year, and the other is a U.S. national.

•Anyone born in a U.S. possession if at least one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year.

•Anyone found in the U.S. before the age of five whose parentage is unknown, as long as proof of foreign birth is not shown by age 21.

•Anyone born outside the United States to an alien parent and a citizen parent who lived in the United States for at least five years (military and diplomatic service or dependency to be included in this requirement).

•Anyone born before May 23, 1934 to an alien father and a citizen mother who lived in the United States for any period.

U.S. Constitution United States law Constitutional law

Afterbirther, citizen – native born citizen – naturalized citizen & Natural Born American Citizen are all forms of citizenship but only one (1) can hold the office of POTUS! That is one born of Blood & (not or) Soil! The Blood of one's parents (with a 's' meanibg both) American Citizens at the time of your birth & that birth on American Soil! If you group all 4 of these citizen groups together as if they are all the same the Natural Born requirement then becomes meaningless. Our founding fathers knew full well what NBAC meant, they knew they were not NBACs , thus “unless you are a US citizen at the time of the adoption of this constitution” was added. This is so simple unless you try to make it state something the founding fathers never intended it to mean. They wanted to keep foreigners out of our politics. Now we have one sleeping in our White House. Does the Constitution not exist in your mind?

Are you not paying attention? This is the U.S. Code. Very clear. I copied it. Words are from the code as follows:

Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code states the following persons are considered “citizens at birth” and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:

•Anyone born in the United States.

•Any Native American or Native Alaskan born in the United States (provided that U.S. citizenship does not affect the person's status as a tribal citizen).

•Anyone born outside the United States to U.S. citizen parents, as long as at least one lived in the United States before the person was born.

•Anyone born outside the United States if one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year, and the other is a U.S. national.

•Anyone born in a U.S. possession if at least one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year.

•Anyone found in the U.S. before the age of five whose parentage is unknown, as long as proof of foreign birth is not shown by age 21.

•Anyone born outside the United States to an alien parent and a citizen parent who lived in the United States for at least five years (military and diplomatic service or dependency to be included in this requirement).

•Anyone born before May 23, 1934 to an alien father and a citizen mother who lived in the United States for any period.

U.S. Constitution United States law Constitutional law

Only if they keep the majority in 2010.

No! It says;

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

NOT!

The following persons are considered “citizens at birth” and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:

As the Hero Joe Wilson says – “YOU LIE!”

What, no spam? I guess you'll have to wait until tomorrow when WND updates it's talking points. After all, no one's ever accused a birfer of independent thought.

legal BC my A. No one has came forward of ANY authority and said that particular photoshoped COLB not BC has been used to vet Obama. NO ONE. EVER! Something is hidden and locked up in Hawaii but NO ONE HAS SEEN IT outside of of the Jr officials in Hawaii that do not have the authority to vet Obama. They are not skilled in Constitutional Law and would not know a NBC from a wetback.

If they did not realize the 1790 Act stated the facts wrong they would not have changed it back in 1795. This proves the true meaning of NBAC as it was intended by the founding fathers. C I T I Z E N is not the same as
N A T U R A L – B O R N – A M E R I C A N – C I T I Z E N – !

” YOU LIE! “

14th amendment has nothing to do with NBACs
just simple citizens.

Before you start the long road down this blog study the differences between
citizen
Nationalized citizen
native born citizen and
Natural Born American Citizen
Some of the Obots aint got a clue!

>>> right on! >>>

Yea!, Congress passed a resolution saying McCain was a NBAC too!
Both BS and not worth the Chinese paper they were written on.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

You can't impeach a usurper! You arrest him for TREASON!
Then hang him!

Sec. 1405. Persons born in Hawaii

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. ADMISSION OF HAWAII AS STATE Hawaii Statehood provisions as not repealing, amending, or modifying the provisions of this section, see section 20 of Pub. L. 86-3, Mar. 18, 1959, 73 Stat. 13, set out as a note at the beginning of chapter 3 of Title 48, Territories and Insular Possessions.

Last modified: June 14, 2006

What a lying POS joke you are. . .not all citizens are “natural born.” Get your scummy lies away from here.

You're right again. . .as usual. Thx Patriot.

What kind of BS site is this? Go to a official “GOV” site this one rewrote the original post. I posted the real language below.

Talking about simple “citizen” again NOTHING to do with a Natural Born American Citizen.

The Cap'n is fairly lucid today; called me 'scum' and didn't even cut&paste it.

“…and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:”

This is your idea, Code does not mention it.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

AP News item. Barry was born in Kenya.

Here’s an article from Nairobi Kenya’s newspaper, the East African Standard, about Obummer’s Kenyan birth. This was in 2004 before Bill Ayers and his radical left buddies began re-engineering him and scrubbing the internet for evidence of his true background. The Ofraud’s supporters love to trot out newspaper ads as proof. Here’s the real deal. AP News verified!

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

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How can an opinion from a lawyer arguing a case be considered a law?
To point out a hole in your logic I used Orly because I know that you do not agree with her opinion. According to your logic, Orly's arguments in court will be used by other lawyers in the future as an example of established law!? That is what you are saying by quoting Collins and his opinion.

You did not get my point about Collins. He was not a judge but an attorney arguing a case in court. Opinion of a lawyer arguing a case in court is simply an opinion. Nothing more and nothing less.
The only thing that counts is the actual court's decision.
WKA does not address the NBC issue – it gave the citizenship to children born in the USA whose parents are foreign born US residents.

This time Cap'n stevie is SERIOUS. This is the SMOKING GUN which will bring down POTUS.
Any minute now.
I know, I know, the Cap'n comes up with a smoking gun every day or so, but this time he's confident
—–Gonna see a perp walk. Gonna see a frogmarch. Gonna see the Evil Usurper laid low, keelhauled and Klanmauled. This time it's gonna be different. You'll see, then you'll stop laughing at the Cap'n and his Deliverance-extra sidekicks. All of their impotent rage-rants will suddenly cease to be cheap entertainment and will retrospectively appear downright BRILLIANT
you'll see…

nawww. . .there's plenty of welfare scum like you to keep defending him. It'll take time.

Party is over for OBAMA.

Obama Born In Kenya According To 2004 News Article

Apparently OBAMA supporters now have a lot of explaining to do to Judge Carter, Orly Taitz ( which is presenting it to him as we write ), and the rest of the AMERICAN PEOPLE:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2827

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Sunday, June 27, 2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

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Barrack Obama

“It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race,” Ryan, 44, said in a statement. “What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play.”

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was “truly outrageous” that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

“I feel for him actually,” Obama told a Chicago TV station. “What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody.”

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

“Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state,” she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, “There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere.”

—AP

Turn out the lights the parties over – – – Barry it's been nice knowing you, say hi to grandma back in Kenya, run for office, you're a Natural Born Citizen there. Tell them about the “change” you can bring “them”. But be careful, they don't put up with BS like we civilized Americans do!

The fat lady has never sounded so sweet! Keep spreading the news. Gotta make sure we get the word out so thoroughly they can't sweep it under the rug!

Bye bye Barry! No more Muslim usurper!

captain you seem to be in a better mood. Every day's a good day some are just better than others. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but wait, it's a train and Barry is chained to the track. The name on the side of the train is Kenyan Change, Change we can depend on.

Must be a touch of the Kenyan narcissist narcosis! I better take a break!

Keep the faith! ttyl

You were evidently not natural born as evidenced by the level of contributions you make to this board. You must have spend too much time in the birth canal or they took a look and tried to shove you back in.

Feast on excrement and cease all pulmonary/cardiac activity.

Thank God! Someone finally posts an actual fact. I was beginning to think I was on a website for toddlers.

I searched the Associated Press for this article, and came up empty.
Can anyone find the article as submitted to the wire service?

So, let me see if I have this right. Birthers claim that BO was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya, or maybe Indonesia and that the BC issued by the state of Hawaii is a forgery, and the forged Kenya BC is actually the true BC. And even if he was born in Hawaii, which they claim he wasn’t he’s not a NBAC so still can’t be POTUS. Plus BO Sr. is not really his father, it was really Malcolm X, and his mother is not really his mother either. And because BO Sr. was a British citizen, BO Jr. is one too and not an American, but Malcolm X was born in Nebraska, but since BO Jr. mom is not his real mom, but is a felon and we don’t really know who his mom is he still is not a NBAC.

AND, he has multiple passports, SSN’s, and the WND (World Nut Daily) claimed he was not a citizen and that his BC was fake, then they said is wasn’t fake, then they said it was.

And all the birth announcements placed in the paper in 1961 were planted by his American grandparents so someday he could prove he was born there and be POTUS because his Kenyan Granny, who is not his actual Granny, said she was there in Kenya when he was born, but then she said she wasn’t.

And BO has spent up to $3.2 Million trying to hide the truth and the entire US Government, the state of Hawaii, the UK, Kenya, everyone at FactCheck, PolitiCheck and all the federal judges are all in on the conspiracy (that actually started in 1961) and Bo has an entire squad of brown shirts that intend to send anyone who steps out of line to BO’s secret FEMA concentration camps.

And the fine imposed by Judge Land is really to get money from birthers to help BO pay off his lawyers

And he’s really a British Muslim working with terrorists to take over this country and a Socialist and a Nazi who wants to guarantee abortions for all and death to seniors AND he isn’t even really black!

Does this sum up the basic accusations?

Damn, you people shouldn’t do so many drugs.

But I thought your most recent schtick, Cap'n, was conceding that BO was Hawaiian born but ineligible due to your interpretation of NBC eligibiilty. Gonna drop that nonsense for the moment because you're excited about a new Kenyan-born assertion?
This website has taught me a lot about tolerance for the mentally ill

Did you look next to the “Dewey Defeats Truman!” file?

A “citizen of the United States at birth” is the same thing as a “Natural Born Citizen.”

your posturing and nonsense will never change that simple fact.

Typical hate filled lefty. Don't like the message, attack the person. Obama's thugs and racist haters would be proud.

Everybody knows something is fishy with Ozero. No wonder he's hiding his past with every thug he can hire.

Good people should want the the truth. . .nothing more. . .or less.

He's not NBC. . .The two aren't related dumb@ss. Go get your welfare check.

Some jokes just write themselves.

Posted by AXJ over at Examiner.com:

“Apparently thousands of birthers around the United States are organizing an emergency demonstration tomorrow in front of the White House in Washington, D.C. expecting Mr. OBAMA to resign immediately.”

I hope that all ten of them show up with signs, bullhorns, and scream themselves hoarse. That would be simply too funny for words.

You left out a few:

American Native Citizen
Native American Citizen
Natural White Citizen
Unnatural White Citizen
Naturally Curly Haired Citizen
Undead Citizen
Unkempt Citizen
Jack Kemp Citizen
Barry Goldwater Special Citizen
Confederate States of American Citizen
Citizen Kane Citizen
Citizen Spam, Spam, Span and eggs, Citizen

I hope this helps

Natural born = “by nature of birth.” = by right of birth”

Wrong. . .Stupid welfare bum.

Like the old saying goes, “If it;s on AXJ, then it must be complete shit.”

For the person, and I use that word lightly, who has posted more nastiness when he can't come up with something resembling intelegance, your previous comment is laughable. You either spout “captainsteve 1 day ago The above smear is paid for by the obama’s paid propaganda team.” or the stuff that follows. Talk about the pot calling the kettle! You demonstrate daily your lack of intellegence and your lack of maturity. You sound like a 7th grader. Your responses follow- and it is far from all of them. You are ignorant. And the only hate I have is for ignorance!

captainsteve wrote, in response to Antibirther:

Wrong. . .Stupid welfare bum.
captainsteve 11 hours ago nawww. . .there's plenty of welfare scum like you to keep defending him. It'll take time.
captainsteve 12 hours ago What a lying POS joke you are. . .not all citizens are “natural born.” Get your scummy lies away from here.
captainsteve 16 hours ago The scum is out tonight. yawnnnn
captainsteve 16 hours ago More scum. More yawnnnn
captainsteve 17 hours ago It's not the same list, Buffoon
captainsteve 12 hours ago What a lying POS joke you are. . .not all citizens are “natural born.” Get your scummy lies away from here
captainsteve 11 hours ago nawww. . .there's plenty of welfare scum like you to keep defending him. It'll take time.
captainsteve 1 day ago Why I'm not a stupid lefty-loser-libtard.
captainsteve 1 day ago You're right. The other 15% are obaNazis.
captainsteve 1 day ago You are a dishonorable POS sellout, just like most of Dingle Barry's supporters. Half the country rightfully believes that the truth should be known, and this should be put behind us.
captainsteve 1 day ago Too many errors to count. STFU. You're too stupid to even talk to me.
captainsteve 1 day ago I said STFU, stupid

Mark my words: in the next few weeks the birfers will amend the conspiracy theory to include, ninjas, time travel, and hobbits because right now it's just not implausibly stupid enough.

“Typical hate filled lefty. Don’t like the message, attack the person. Obama’s thugs and racist haters would be proud.”

Congratulations! You are now the most hypocritical birfer! After all, nothing is more hypocritical than a person who tosses around the names “Obummer” and “Ofaraud,” complaining about someone else attacking people…and to top it off, you finish your posts by calling people “thugs” and “racist haters.”

Orly’s other knuckle-dragging, mouth breathing followers would be proud.

msdaisy, except for the spin you pretty damn much got it right! Good research!

chris, check yourself in to a local mental hospital and have them examine you for acute denial of the truth.

afterbirther, settle down, take your street meds and relax, you are spewing BS uncontrolled nonstop.

Natural Born = Born of Blood “AND” Soil – - -not “OR” Soil!

Every thug except you. Are your feelings hurt?

afterbirth you are as dense as a anvil, What in the Hell good would the Natural Born clause in our Constitution be if “Natural Born American Citizen” was the same a simple “citizen”. It would make Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. meaningless. You have no facts just misrepresentations and outright lies.

Let's see if they can muster more attendees to this 'emergency' than the recent one ginned up to protest Obama's “indoctrination” of school children. It was such a lame non-event that Fux News chose to report on it after the fact, since there was no video-ready crowd to be filmed, and they instead had to (straight-faced, no less) report from the site where the prostest had allegedly taken place,once upon a time LOL
Birthers, here's a chance to wave your freak flag high: Go for it!

You know, oldracistman, you may have a point; after navigating the Birfer mind these past weeks via these blog threads I am really questioning everything I ever thought I knew about human nature and the rightwing mind in particular. I just MAY need professional help by the time you Birfer freaks are done with me LOL

Hey I got off the welfare dole when Obama started paying me to rebut your postings, so back off!

You got this “thing” for the captain don't you?

Nope.

This is a link to an article from Honolulu Advertiser from 2006.
It is about Tammy Duckworth, Dem party candidate for US Congress Seat in Illinois.

Scroll toward the middle of the page where you can find the following quote:

“..Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have “a kama'aina connection.”
Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively…”

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Antibirthers – will you report the page to the central command for more Internet scrubbing. I fully expect that the link will be gone from web very soon.

…Denizen Citizen
Natural Bored Citizen
Organic & All Natural Citizen
Naive-born Citizen
Citibank Citizen
Ein Berliner Citizen
Unbleached white flour Citizen
Ku Klux Klitizen
OBE Citizen
Mos Eisley Denizen
Act Naturally Citizen

chris, not against you, just trying to get you to the light. Come join us it the quest to find the truth. No spin just truth. Let the cards fall where they may.

You can't live on those wages! You're still on the Communist handouts for housing, food, street drugs with no taxes on them, transportation, emergency room medical care, condoms, and I bet your at the library on a state computer right now.

There is an article printed by Honlolulu Advertiser in 2006. Check my post on top of the thread.

A Dem. party candidate for congres, Iraq war veteran Tammy Duckworth went to the same high school as Obama. Check what she had to say about Obama' birth.

Don't be jealous, oldracistman, but Cap'n is the most frequent 'flier' (in more than one sense) around here; but you're right up there on the booby-b-string, so don't despair you too could be a Birfer star—-you have all the right stuff
mood swings
rant/rage spells
no distinction between fact & fantasy
compulsion to save the world from a delusion-generated boogie man
hot for Taint z

Obama's high school classmate claims that he was born in Indonesia:
It is about Tammy Duckworth, Dem party candidate for US Congress Seat in Illinois in 2006.

“…Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have “a kama'aina connection.”
Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively…”

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

“Nope” what kind of half/ass statement is that?

From prlog.org

http://www.prlog.org/10376476-dr-orly-taitz-to-…

”Dr. Orly Taitz will be giving a radio interview on Providence radio station WARL AM 1320 with talk host Charlie Profit on the Charlie Profit Report Thursday October 15, 2009 at 3:30 PM. Among topics that will be discussed: President Obama's citizenship and whether he meets the minimum requirements to be President; a newly found Kenyan newspaper article from 2004 which states Obama is Kenyan born; and the document Dr. Taitz claims is a notarized copy of of Barry Soetero's (President Obama's birth name) Kenyan Birth Certificate. “

So, by your assumption that everything printed is correct, then Obama was really born in Kenya and his father was really Lolo Soetero.

Who’d a thunk it?

If some one wrote it, it must be true.

Nope, Obama gave me my own computer, and he keeps me stocked with GI speed (not the street stuff), that I may be ever-vigilant in the battle to keep the Evil Usurper in power and battle the , um, 'Patriots' such as yourself, John Wayne Jr.

“Come join us”, the evergreen solicitation of the cult

We have a Dem party candidate for US Congress, high school classmate of Obama claiming that he was born abroad. Did Barry lie to her when they were in high school, or is he lying now?

There are three conflicting claims about his birthplace. Are you still against the verification of the original long form birth certificate?

Great reporting! Just think old newspaper articles before the recent scrubbings will bring forth the truth. How many more are out there?

Once a welfare bum, always a welfare bum.

ex-military? I'd have never guessed. Didn't you swear to uphold the Constitution?

Does Dingle Barry act guilty?

If a driver happens upon a DWI road-stop, a normal honest sober person says sure and shows their license. Very simple. Issue over. But not Barry, he would get twenty attorneys, claim some manner of special privacy privilege, and resist every effort to get him to comply. Why would anybody fight so hard to hide the truth?

Criminals engage in all manner of tricks and evasions to keep the truth from being known. Generally, the more dramatic and energetic the evasion, the more serious the likely crime.

It's pretty obvious which behavior obummer has chosen. He's GUILTY!!!

lolol

http://media.photobucket.com/image/islamic%20sy…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-OoslQPt6E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQWktvFd6VI&feat…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQBzMAG8rgQ

NUFF SAID!

Brilliant, I must say, JUST BRILLIANT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWXHXL4DVdE

Glenn Beck Rocks. The phone is still there, are they gonna call to tell him his FACTS are wrong?

LOLOLOL

delusional
kama'aina means 'local' in Hawaiian, the opposite of foreign-born.

delusional
kama'aina means 'local' in Hawaiian: in other words the OPPOSITE of foreign- born
jeez

Here's one:
http://jillosophy.blogspot.com/2008/06/african-…

Links have been scrubbed, but you see the MAIN page!

What does the following sentence in the article say?

Why do you ignore the following sentence?

it amounts to making no sense.
Look up kama'aina yourself, Birfer; don't take my word for it

what does kama'aina mean?
Look it up, birfer

AXJ Rocks posted a Kenyan article. I asked if this was an Associated Press article.
I repeat: Can anyone find the article as submitted to the wire service?

If not, I classify this as unsubstantiated hearsay.

The article clearly says that Duckworth was born in Thailand and spent her childhood years in Southeast Asia.

For a Honolulu newspaper, the local connection betweeen Chicago residents Obama and Duckworth is through a common experience in a local (Hawaiian) high school – not the common place of birth.

The article makes no sense using the Hawiian term for LOCAL: as such the writer of the article was queried about this, since numerous Birfers having been googling up a storm of late: surprise! he admitted that he could attribute no such assertion to Ms Duckworth and accepted full responsibility for the mistakes.
By the way, back when GW was running for office in Texas, many in the media mistakenly assumed he was born in there. His first couple of congressional-race opponents would pursue correction, but eventually the media got with the facts. And they knew a lot more about the Bush clan then, than anyone knew about Obama when this article (which you are so exercised about) was published. I know its hard to wrap your Birferbrain around—please give it a try…

The article clearly says that Duckworth was born in Thailand and spent her childhood years in Southeast Asia.

For a Honolulu newspaper, the local connection betweeen Chicago residents Obama and Duckworth is through a common experience of attending a local (Hawaiian) high school – not the common place of birth.

Do you have a link to the retraction article, or is ot just a hearsay?
Even, if we accept your explanation at face value, it clearly illustrates that details about Obama's birth are fuzzy, since journalists quoted different birth countries (USA, Kenya, Indonesia).

Bush analogy is weak at best – no journalist ever claimed Obama was born in Illinois.

“Birthers” ask nothing more than to verify Obama's long form birth certificate stored in Hawaii DoH.
What is there to hide if Obama was indeed born in Hawaii?

I AGREE!

Yup, they're in it to the end. Even when he's booted OUT of office, they will still be here saying “But, he was born here”

hahaha, say goodbye to Obama's News Channels…
We will be taking care of them on Saturday…perhaps they will start showing the ACTUAL news!

http://www.operationcanyouhearusnow.com/

lolol, they really hate our FACTS! I don't think I would have the PRIDE to believe any longer, must less still be 100% for him and defending him they way they are, after all the facts that haven been posted here.

There's one from 04 as well, stating the same thing…

http://jillosophy.blogspot.com/2008/06/african-…

Why would anybody fight so hard to hide the truth? That’s becoming pretty obvious; he's GUILTY!!!

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

Pretty amazing. Having Mao as a favorite person is as bad or maybe worse than Hitler.

Obama has some sick friends. I thinks 100% by preference, not vetting error.

Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

“Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!”

ALL TRUE! LOVE IT!

You make no sense, EVER. Go away!

For sure. . .no one can say I don't give him a fair shake either. After all, I did say “former” coke head. That's the only part I'm not 100% certain about! :)

Ahhhh, the sounds of desperation!

That's been out since around June 2008 before everything was scrubbed. I viewed it with a UP header but will have to rediscover the string. If i get it I'll post.

More evidence of Dingle Barry's Kenyan birth.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

No baby, the thrill of victory! & I bet his feet don't feel so good right now.

Worse cap'n, far worse. That's like bedding down with the Rotten Rodham and Sotomayor at the same time. A man should be hung for that.

cap'n are you smiling?

Where did all the Obots go?

More evidence of Dingle Barry's Kenyan birth.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/4112008/411…

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

They're off getting their marching orders for the new newspaper links and how to hide and suppress the truth. Did you take a look?

More evidence of Dingle Barry's Kenyan birth.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/4112008/411…

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

They're off getting their marching orders for the new newspaper links and how to hide and suppress the truth. Did you take a look?

Ok, Cap'n: I'm sure THIS ONE is the smoking gun you've all been waiting ever so patiently for
it's just gotta be…right?

Hey scum. . .u can keep polishing ur turd, but it wont help.

I'm just wondering how Obama can possibly concentrate on his job, what with the distraction of having to peek at this thread every 5 minutes, every single day to apprehensively check & see how close the Cap'n and his crew are coming to his sinister secrets.
Must be killing the poor guy with the agonizing suspense!
Every day…so much closer…to Birfer Victory
We keep hearing how the game is over—-must just be a drill

You know chris Judge Carter has not dismissed that little case yet.

Wow Cap'n, that's classic projection——–considering how long you've been polishing this here Birfer hardon!

I guess you've sent out the victory party invites?

Give me your address and I'll drop you a victory party invitation as soon as we get a new election scheduled.

Orly's word in response to fine, etc.
“How much criminal activity do they need to cover up, for them to attack me so viciously,” Taitz wrote:
In regards to Judge Clay Land, his outrageous decision to sanction me $20,000 for repeatedly bringing eligibility issue, shows how far this regime will go to harass and intimidate attorneys who dare to question Obama’s legitimacy.
Anybody with half a brain in his head understands that if judge Land really believed that my law suits were frivolous, the easiest way to prove it, would be to order discovery. If Obama is legitimate, he would’ve shown proof of legitimacy. The fact that this judge decided to try to intimidate me with $20,000 of sanctions instead of ordering Obama to spend $10 on a copy of his hospital birth certificate and a hospital birthing file, shows how corrupt this regime is, how many in federal judiciary are aiding and abetting this massive fraud perpetrated on each and every member of US military and each and every citizen of this country. That is a sign of a dictatorial regime, of tyranny.

Let me answer something for all you bird brained Birthers. You continually ask to be shown the LONG FORM. There are three reasons you will never see that. 1. The BC that Obama has already been produced IS in fact a legal State issued BC. 2. It has already been verified by the State of Hawaii as authentic and accepted by the US Government as valid. PERIOD. And 3rd, even if Obama DID produce all the hospital records of his birth from the moment his mother entered the hospital to the time of her discharge with baby Barrack, every single one of you without exception would claim that all the documents were forgeries, so what would be the point? GET IT! It would be pointless because you people are just like the witch hunters of Salem Mass.

Your delusional “evidence” is nothing but wild accusations and insanity. Orly and the rest of you are certifiable! Judge Carter is no more going to take this shit to court than Judge Land did and every one of you are headed for a huge disappointment when he boots this crap out of his courtroom. And Orly is steadily on her way to either jail for contempt or to disbarment or both.

Now I’m sorry to say I won’t be around to watch the fun for the next couple of days, I have to go out of town, and just in case Judge Carter issues his slap down before I get back just let me say in advance; “I told you so!”

Have fun, see you Sunday!

Daisy :)

Damn Daisy :), You never answered my Question – It you had undeniable prof that Barack Husein Obama was ineligible to hold the office of POTUS would “you” release it?

If any such proof ever existed, McCain (and or Hillary) certainly would have uncovered it before the election, and rightfully so. As it was all they had was “Paling around with terrorists”, which was also BS. And believe me, the competence level of his “team” of investigators makes your people look like a bunch of Beeves and Buttheads!

The facts speak for themselves; there is no such evidence, only hearsay and forgeries.

By now, have to catch a plane!

daisy — “YOU” would you release evidence that proved Barack Hussein Obama was ineligible?

it's not a BC, daisy. It's a “Certification of Live Birth”. Read it. It can be obtained on testimony by hearsay testimony of someone born out of the country.

–it's not a BC, daisy. It's a “Certification of Live Birth”. –

Wrong, it is the official and ONLY certified birth record issued by the state of Hawaii.

—It can be obtained on testimony by hearsay testimony of someone born out of the country—

Wrong again.

The state of Hawaii is not in the habit of creating birth records for people born outside of this country that states that they were born here.

The COLB is the official and legal birth record. It is prima facie evidence that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu.

There is nothing you can do or say to dispute that fact.

Certainly there is not a court in this country that would NOT accept it as proof that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu.

Deal with it

She is deeply delusional. I feel for her family.

Is the OMG moment here yet?

Obama defenders don't want to seek or admit the truth. Obama’s story includes three different hospitals.

1) He said in his book “Dreams from his Father” that he found his birth certificate. Hawaii said they have it. Lets see it!

2) Stop the legal blockade; authorize Hawaii to release whatever they have.

The factcheck COLB has been questioned for many reasons.

OBAMA VERY LIKELY IS COMITTING THE BIGGEST FRAUD OF ALL TIME!!!

Read this if you REALLY want to know all about it go to the following http and www website.

friktech.com/2009/born.pdf

The suit Orly Taitz filed was to halt the deployment of a Captain in the U.S. Army, pursuant to an overseas deployment order from the Captain's superior, commissioned Army commander (not President Obama). The judge correctly concluded that the federal courts generally abstain from interfering in the military chain of command. What specific part of Judge Land's reasoning is incorrect?

Lean harder on that capslock key. It will make your posts more persuasive.