Fear of Fascism, ‘Gay Agenda’ Dominates Conservative Kickoff for Midterm Elections

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Monday, September 28, 2009 at 1:56 pm
How to Take Back America Conference, St. Louis (Photo by: David Weigel)

How to Take Back America Conference, St. Louis (Photo by: David Weigel)

ST. LOUIS — Kitty Werthmann has made quite a career out of warning Americans that fascism is on its way. The 84-year-old native Austrian survived the excesses of the Third Reich and, in her dotage as a leader of the South Dakota branch of the Eagle Forum, recorded tapes and videos explaining just how Hitler took power. She made her case during George W. Bush’s presidency, but the audience was small–fringe conservative activists, radio hosts like Alex Jones. Then came President Barack Obama. On Saturday, at the “How to Take Back America” conference, Werthmann found herself speaking to an overflowing room of conservative activists about the parallels between Obama and the rise of Hitler.

“We had prayer in school before we started class, and after class,” said Werthmann. “One day I came into the classroom and the crucifix was gone, and there was Hitler’s picture, and the Nazi flag on either side. And our teacher said, ‘Today we don’t pray anymore. We sing ‘Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles.’”

Image by: Matt Mahurin

Image by: Matt Mahurin

The audience of mostly female conservative activists murmured; some of them scrawled out detailed notes, shaking their heads at what they were hearing. It had been a few days since Fox News reported that a New Jersey school had children sing a song of praise to President Obama. They kept on writing and listening as Werthmann explained how Hitler had euthanized mentally handicapped children, and how he’d kept lists of political enemies.

“What would you suggest we do,” asked one activist, “if we are asked to give up our guns?”

“Don’t you dare give up your guns!” thundered Werthmann. “Never, never, never!”

“Give them back one bullet at a time!” called out another activist. The tense atmosphere melted a little bit; the room broke up with laughter.

According to Phyllis Schlafly, founder of the Eagle Forum, the “How to Take Back America” conference was the largest summit the group had held in all of its 38 years. Schlafly, who turned 85 in August, moved slowly through the halls of the Hilton St. Louis Frontenac, a 30-minute drive west from the center of the city, as new attendees shook her hand and begged her for autographs and photos. She told TWI that the registration topped 600, beating the previous record of around 300, and the size was overwhelming as hurried hotel staff tried to break down and build up tables for meals, for books, for punch at the end of the day.

“Kitty has pointed out the parallels between the slow, incremental Hitler takeover of Austria and some of the things that are happening today,” said Schlafly, asked about Werthmann’s “How to Recognize Living Under Nazis and Communists” session. “She’s an expert on that. I see what [Obama] is doing as absolute socialism, as government ownership of the means of production.”

The “How to Take Back America” conference was no place for soft critiques of the Obama administration. It was a weekend of speeches and training sessions that were laden with doom, cries of mounting fascism, and long prayers for salvation. It was the kind of event where Schlafly, a conservative icon who’s often seen as a leader of the movement’s far right flank, could take the role of a pragmatist, sticking to the sort of criticism of the Obama administration that might appear on Fox News and asking activists to elect a Republican Congress in 2010. And Schlafly succeeded in bringing big Republican stars to the conference. Former Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-Ark.) was the biggest draw, but six members of Congress attended, too–Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.), and Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.). Several 2010 Republican candidates hosted workshops, including Ed Martin and Vicky Hartzler, both running for Democratic-held U.S. House seats in Missouri. But some of the rhetoric went beyond partisan politics. At worst, the speakers argued, fascism was on the horizon. At best, this was a pivotal time in a war on Christian values. Some of the speakers split the difference.

“If you look at the classic model for moving to Marxism,” said retired Lt. Gen. William Boykin, who would give the conference’s opening speech, “you look at what every Marxist organization has done, they nationalize. They redistribute wealth. They restrict gun ownership. They then go out and suppress the opposition. And then, finally, they censor the media.”

In his speech, Boykin–who has gotten into hot water for speaking out against Islam while in uniform–begged the audience to pray for their country. “It’s only because of intercessory prayer that we haven’t been hit again since September 11,” said Boykin. “Pray for America for 10 minutes a day. If we can mobilize millions of prayer warriors that can pray for 10 minutes a day, we can open the gates of heaven.”

In the halls and from the stages of the conference, there were constant warnings of fascist, anti-Christian campaigns to break down American morals and sovereignty. Rev. Rick Scarborough, a pastor who advised Mike Huckabee’s presidential campaign, pounded the podium at his Friday afternoon speech, warning that the president’s pro-gay agenda was endangering Christians who spoke out against gay rights.

“The day the president put his hand on the bible,” said Scarborough, “his minions were changing official White House Website to reflect a whole new understanding of civil rights, to refer to homosexuals.” The Bible, said Scarborough, called these people “sodomites, which no one wants to talk about because it reminds them of their behavior.”

Some activists followed this up with a breakout session on “How to Counter the Homosexual Extremist Movement,” where they learned about transgender awareness days at public schools. And some went to “How to Stop Feminist and Gay Attacks on the Military,” where they were informed that upwards of 200,000 active duty members of the military might quit if “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” is repealed.

Those worries about the “gay agenda” came in the context of other alleged threats to the Constitution. Frank Gaffney, president of the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, hosted two panel sessions; one on the United Nations, one on “How to Understand Islam.” The theme throughout was that “transnationalists” of either the Islamic school or the secular school were targeting the Constitution. Conservatives, said Gaffney, could combat this by “picking fights” over seemingly obscure issues, and he cited the work he’d done slowing the nomination for Harold Koh, now the legal advisor to the State Department. Lawyers like Koh, said Gaffney, were dangers to national sovereignty.

“The North American Union is a real thing,” said Gaffney. “It is a real transnational agenda to try to forge out of Mexico, Canada, and the United States, a real competitor to the American Union.” Beseeching his audience not to treat the NAU as “black helicopter stuff,” he claimed the existence of “something like twenty-five different trilateral working groups, each and every one of which is beavering away at new transnational regulations.”

The activists, mostly female and Midwestern, but included people who’d traveled from both coasts, moved in and out of these sessions taking copious notes. Some of them were hearing about this stuff, with this spin, for the first time. “A lot of people don’t think the U.N. is any big threat,” said Karen Clark, an activist from Utah, telling TWI what she’d learned from Gaffney’s speech. “I hadn’t heard about the two schools of transnationalism before.”

Off the stage, the fears and conspiracy theories about President Obama grew more obscure. One activist told TWI that Obama may have been “installed” after decades of lessons from Communists. Peggy Carter, an Eagle Forum leader from North Carolina, fretted that Obama was “anti-white,” and had only stealthily revealed that to Americans because “he can’t afford” to make it obvious.

Some of the most prominent attendees told TWI that they had doubts about the president’s birth records. Rep. Cynthia Davis, a Republican state legislator in Missouri who has worked with “birther” lawyer Orly Taitz for most of this year, said that lawsuits demanding proof of the president’s citizenship were chiefly about the integrity of the Constitution, and that because Obama’s father was Kenyan, Obama’s eligibility problems extended beyond his birth records.

“Her credibility is questioned because she has an accent,” said Davis, defending Taitz, “and yet the reason she has an accent is because she came from a Communist country, and she knows how awful that is, to have a government usurped.”

Other Republican politicians who’d gotten in hot water for indulging in “birther” jokes or conspiracies led popular breakout sessions. Kris Kobach, a candidate for Kansas secretary of state who had joked that neither Jesus Christ nor Obama had a birth certificate, told TWI that he wouldn’t bother with the issue if elected in 2010, and expected it to be dealt with in one of the various outstanding lawsuits. Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), who had pondered a lawsuit over the president’s citizenship, told TWI he had no doubts about Obama’s citizenship, but suspected that something was being hidden by concealing the original 1961 document on file in Hawaii.

“President Obama could solve this problem and make the birthers back off by simply showing us his long-form birth certificate,” said Franks.

Kobach and Franks stayed away from that topic in their sessions. Kobach hosted two, on immigration and on the threats that ACORN and voter registration reform posed to America’s electoral systems. Franks introduced Maafa 21, a documentary which argues that legal abortion in the United States began as a plot to commit genocide against American blacks. During a short clip from the film–which Franks said he’d shown to members of the Congressional Black Caucus–the congressman quietly commented on the most powerful interviews.

“When we said we would no longer go to the back of the bus,” said anti-abortion rights activist Alevda King on the screen, “there was a place being reserved for us at the abortion clinic.”

“Hear, hear,” said Franks.

Whenever he got the chance, Franks told activists about his current project, the Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglass Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act of 2009, a bill that would make it illegal to perform abortions based on the race or gender of the fetus. By his logic, this could force a lawsuit that would define fetuses as people. Franks, like the other members of Congress who appeared at the conference, tied the cause of Eagle Forum activists to the goals of the founders, of Abraham Lincoln, and of true adherents to the Constitution.

By the close of the conference on Saturday night, the focus had returned to Schlafly. The boisterous, ever-present Christian radio host and conference co-sponsor Janet Porter played a series of clips from the 84-year-old activist’s career and gave her a prize: the “American Hero of the Century” award, a glass eagle with a verse from Isiah scrawled into it. And while his 2008 rival Mitt Romney spoke to the Mackinac Republican Leadership Conference in Michigan, Mike Huckabee flew from New York, where he’d filmed a new episode of his show, to give a closing speech that paid tribute to Schlafly and all of the ideas that the conservatives in the room had forced into the Republican mainstream. He called for slicing the United Nations off of Manhattan, and said that with the help of conservative activists, he might “live to see the day” when abortion is banned in America.

“God bless you,” said Huckabee, “and God bless Phyllis Schlafly most of all.”

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Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

You can easily ‘deny’ Mexicans (or dumb Canucks, who don’t buy travel insurance) healthcare, if they’re not in the country. The plights of poor Mexicans, &c. are sad, but a country has to put the needs of its citizens first. The U.S. government can’t be so Yetzer Hatov that American citizens suffer. Also, the practice of allowing anchor baby (birth) citizenship MUST stop.

The problem is that the immigration system is so lax and inept that people who are in the U.S. illegally are rarely caught and removed. People who aid and abet illegal immigration (businesses, non-profit groups, individuals) are also rarely punished. Something is very wrong with the system, when MS-13 and Mexican Mafia members outnumber cops on LA streets.


LiberalJesus
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Wow..wonder what it's like to be in a roomful of “stupid” and not even know it?


thefold-Chris
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

If you look at the classic model for moving to Marxism,” said retired Lt. Gen. William Boykin, who would give the conference’s opening speech, “you look at what every Marxist organization has done, they nationalize. They redistribute wealth. They restrict gun ownership. They then go out and suppress the opposition. And then, finally, they censor the media.

I caught the quick comment at the beginning about Bush and supposedly they did not support him either, but do they not understand Bush socialized more industry than Obama? Do they not understand Bush redistributed more wealth than any president in history? In fact, the trillion dollars we have spent in Iraq is the largest redistribution of wealth any nation has ever undertaken. So why in the world do they encourage a Republican return to Congress in 2010? It's because they didn't disapprove of Bush. They were the remaining 22% that actually supported the guy.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

—“Her credibility is questioned because she has an accent,” said Davis, defending Taitz,—

No, her credibility is questioned because she is insane.


Donna
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

“Give them back one bullet at a time!” called out another activist.”

That would be terrorism, not activism.

These folks need a life. If they would just turn off Fixed News, their brains would actually grow, not shrink. Good grief.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

A cornucopia of kooks. Lt Gen Boykin is one of my favorite rightwing kooks because of his colorful career— he almost got court-martialed for evangelizing and making religious slurs while represting the US military-in uniform AND he advised Atty Gen Janet Reno in her infamous raid on the Koresh compound in Waco TX. I would have loved to have been there and heard the latest Manchurian Candidate theories and spirited defences of Orly Taintz. Maybe it'll come out on DVD…


mnblue
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Michele Bachmann is a disgrace to the United States of America, Minnesota and the Sixth Congressional District. Democratic candidate Dr. Maureen Reed is running against her and she is the ticket to beating Bachmann! You can learn more about Maureen, and donate, at:
http://maureenreedforcongress.com/
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maureen_Reed


Donna
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

“…where they were informed that upwards of 200,000 active duty members of the military might quit if “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” is repealed.”

Might. Might? talk about scare tactics. If anyone leaves the military due to DADT being repealed then they are idiots and un-American.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Hey, maybe we should build a big wall up north to keep out the hoardes of Canucks fleeing here to enjoy our vastly superior healthcare !


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

I don't know what these conservatives have against gay people. At least they don't go after little boys, like Islamic fundamentalists. Also, their God Bill Buckley was a fruitfly extraordinaire (and probably a closet fou-fou). McCarthy and Hoover fudge-nudged about, even as they purged 'commies' from every closet. Neither the left, nor the right want to admit it, but many of these Northeastern commie bashers were homos, at odds with a viciously homophobic left. Communist (Marxist-Leninist) and Socialist (social-Christian) doctrine, like the Christian-dialectical culture they came from, were once SEVERELY anti-gay. BTW, since Canada's NDP (formerly CCF) is now pro-pouff, I bet it's founders J.S. Woodsworth (a Methodist minister) and Tommy Douglas (Baptist minister, grandfather of Kiefer Southerland) are rolling over in their graves.

They're right about gun ownership. Armed civilians are an important check on state power. Do you think Ahmedinajad would still be in power, if the protesters could actually shoot back at the riot police? Do you think Burma's rotten Junta, or Kim Jong Il would still be in power, if Burmese and North Korean civilians could own guns? 'Passive resistance'–that hoary old crap, from dead caste-system supporter Gandhi–only worked on the guilt-ridden and bankrupt British Raj.

If people want to see corporatism in action, have a look at Obama's political birthplace, Chicago. Richard M[obster] Daley's fiefdom is essentially a one-party state, with an economy run by private interests. Kinda like Lee Kwan Yew in Singapore.

When Dhimmwit[sic] authorities in NY pressed 'hate crime' charges against a man for tossing a Qur'an into a potty, and Yale refused to publish those Mohammed cartoons in a magazine, a line was crossed. We have no obligation to 'respect' Islam. Something is wrong, when authorities at Guantanamo have to handle the collectected ramblings of an insane child-molester with rubber gloves, so they don't get their icky infidel Crusader cooties on it. And, yes, Mohammed WAS a child molester: he screwed Aisha when she was NINE. If he were alive today, hed be on a Sex Offender Registry.

The Dhimmwit prize of all time, though, goes to Ronnie 'poop pants' Reagan. He's the dementia President who helped create the Mujaheddin cum Taliban…ultimately leading to the death of 3,000 people on 9/11. Obama, though, did his part to try to sink to Ronnie's level, when he bowed to King Abdulla–a GROSS violation of Presidential protocol. (NO American citizen, let alone the President of the Republic, is supposed to bow before ANY monarch.)

Like every other administration, Obama's is bought and paid for by corporate and union interests. With Obama, it's nice people like Monsanto and social workers' unions. The Food Safety legislation, crafted with Monsanto's input, is scary. Soo too the 4th Amendment-busting social worker snoop legislation in B.O.'s health bill. The biggest contributor, though, is the media-telecom sector: they want the Bush FCC's whitespace spectrum reallocation decision quashed. (This may affect you, if you want cheap broadband.)


Adam
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:10 am

Of COURSE they make up (and censor) stuff. So do their corporate peers, on the pretend ‘left’ (CBS, MSNBC, &c.). So does the (real, independant) left media. People like Noam Chomsky pushed the fiction that the Khmer Rouge attrocities were all CIA propaganda, and that the victims were paid to lie by the U.S. Everybody has some agenda, including me, you and Dan Rather. This is why I trust NOBODY’S reporting…only watching TV for police procedurals and sitcoms with hot, young starlets.

Obama’s bow to the Sodomy Arserapian despot was NOT “normal political protocol”, but a serious BREACH of Presidential Protocol. His team KNEW this, to the point of making up excuses (“he was sooo much taller, by an inch, that he had to bend waaay over…”). The other media networks–who helped pay for Obama’s massive campaign bill–did their best to keep it off the news, but it went viral on Youtube. The ‘fist-bump’ was as innocent as Howard Dean’s “yaaaaaayyyy!”, though.

Nothing ‘left wing conspiracy’ about the major networks. They’re just capitalist entities that want the whitespace spectrum for THEIR uses, when broadcasts go digital. (They’re still fighting the Bush FCC’s decision in court.)


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Ah, Janet Reno: like fellow Diesel Dyke Rosie O'Donnell, hoplophobic, yet protected my gun-toting guards.


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

Nobody should ever trust a single news source. Ditto, for the non-Fox media. The NY Times has been caught making up news stories and quashed the Obama ACORN story. Other than Fox, none of the networks carried Obama's nauseating bow to Saudi despot Abdullah. And then there was that Dan Rather letter…

The worst sin committed by Fox was cancelling 'The Inside'. I miss Rachel Nichols, damnit! Why was THAT show cancelled (and Fox's 'Wonderfalls', with the lovely Caroline Dhavernas), but that dreadful 'Criminal Minds' still on the air…?


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Some people actually question her credibility, because whe's a Jewess–really. They think Taitz and Bibi are working in kahoots, as part of some Zionist-Birther plot.

Or, maybe people don't like her perma-tan. (Must be a George Hamilton phobia.)


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

I've been in a room full of 'environmentalists' who don't think mass immigration causes urban sprawl…


Adam
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:33 am

What usually happens is that people from Canada, Britain and yes, Mexico travel to the U.S. without buying travel insurance, suffer some catastrophic illness/injury, and are SHOCKED to discover that the U.S. does not have any sort of reciprocal healthcare agreement with their country. A zillion-dollar bill ensues. Of course, Canadians who travel to another Province and get sick sometimes get an unpleasant surprise, when they are stuck with the bill for the difference in cost, between different Provinces (e.g., Alberta surgeons get paid a LOT more than those in New Brunswick).

Insurance companies, being Instruments of the Devil, also like to practise claims harrasment: many an American has gone to Mexico, had a heart attack, and found that their insurance company won’t pay for a procedure without a lengthy preauthorization procedure. Meanwhile, the Mexican hospital will only treat your heart attack for cash up front…


Bill
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

It is always amazing to me that so many of us, with all of our potential to do good and leave this earth in better form than we found it, choose instead to give our lives over to this complete and utter nonsense. (NOTE TO CRAZIES: If you deal with your fears about your own mortality, you will be free of the insanity that currently motivates you. You will also be far less prone to acting out against other people, who are just trying to get through life just like you are. Religion is not the answer to ANY of your dispair. It is the cause of it.)

“People of Faith” must NO LONGER be allowed to act out in ANY way that they wish because they feel that 'their god' commands them to. This kind of behavior is known as jihadist when referring to the middle east – it is no different here in the US. Religious folks: we love you, but we hate your sins and your craziness. Please, stop ramming your lifestyle down out throats. It's fine that you love the way that you love. Even though your 'lover' is invisible to the rest of us. We just wish you'd stop beating us over the head with it. Keep that kind of behavior in your churches where it belongs. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)

“People pay for what they do, and still more for what they have allowed themselves to become, and they pay for it, very simply, by the lives they lead.” (James Baldwin circa 1972)


strangely_enough
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Lawyer/real estate agent/dentist has credibility problem. Who'da thunk it?


Irish_Wake
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

How does one quit military service?


Irish_Wake
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

I know what you mean! I moved to the suburbs to be with other illegal immigrants like myself.

Hmmm. I'm white. I'm surrounded by white people. Many, many white people.

Sorry. My mistake. I don't know what you mean, but I do have a white congressman that talks just like you.


peterprinciple
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

Conferences like this one are just more proof of the wisdom of Huey Long — who, when asked if he thought fascism could come to the United States, replied: “Sure, but here they'll call it anti-fascism.”


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chrisjay
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

See, Adam, THAT'S why I like you: Hoplophobic——I'll admit it, I had to look it up!!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

BET A HUNDRED BUCKS YOU CALL YOUR SISTER MOM TOO!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

HEY DUMBFUCK..TELL ME WHAT CRIME HAS ACORN COMMITTED? DETAILS PLEASE


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

You anti-Dentite! (Seinfeld reference.) :p


Gus
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

I think what Adam means in that white people move to the suburbs to escape scary brown people who can't speak American, thus creating sprawl.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

BET YOU HAVE NO TEETH


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

No matter how New Urbanist you make new developments, more people means more land (and fresh water) useage. Again, it doesn't matter what color they are: all people use the same amount of space and water and food, and produce the same amount of poop.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Does this mean I can have your Cat Stevens albums?


mantis
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

all people use the same amount of space and water and food, and produce the same amount of poop.

Care to rethink that statement?


followthemoney
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Phyllis Schlafly gave herself an award as the “American Hero of the Century.”

Mighty generous of Phyllis to honor herself.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Dunno about that, Adam: out here the migrant workers live about 8 to a room and the kids call their carpooling proclivities “mexi-packing”


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Like Canada's sprawling South Asian and Chinese suburbs, the French Arab banlieues and, yes, Hispanic and Korean-filled new housing developments in California, much of suburban development is due to immigration-fuelled demand. And, surprise!, many immigrants are NOT 'poor'. People with money flee their overcrowded, cesspool, crime-ridden homelands, for cheap, expansive real estate in North America and Australia.

Even the Ausssie Labour Party is acknowledging the fact that bringing in hundreds of thousands of people–rather shockingly–means that more land has to be used for housing. Much of the best farmland is lost anually, due to housing development, which increases food prices. A swelling population also strains our already overtaxed freshwater supplies. Since people in developed societies aren't exactly breeding like bunnies, it's MASS IMMIGRATION that is increasing our population. You can't stick your heads in the politically-correct sand over the overpopulation issue forever.

And yes, immigrants SHOULD speak 'American'. When you move to a new country, part-and-parcel of citizenship is learning the language. My Grandfather, who emmigrated on very short notice from Poland thanks to Hitler, knew English BEFORE getting off the boat. For immigrants (many of whom planed for YEARS to come to the U.S., Canada, or Australia) to whine about not having police, government services and schools in 'their' language is inexcusable.


scottz13
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

If Huckabee gets the GOP nomination, he'll deny he was even at this meeting once the regular campaign starts.


triathlon
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

SOCIAL STRATIFICATION

(NATURES PECKING ORDER)

Now, while mucking about on the various sites for any really relevant news of the, we came upon a phrase use on one site, [Social Stratification], it’s no more than a term which means that there is a normal pecking order within nature itself, it’s a Darwin, and Statistical Analysis Demographic, related concept, at the top of the pecking order are the Got’s, they got it all, and that means all, and at the bottom at the ones that the Got’s, Got it all from, the Ain’t Got’s. Which all fits neatly, into how reality really works and not into the dream world that [All men are created equal] theory of Democracy, and why Democracies always meet with a quick end in the time span. Even in the Empire (NYC) New York City, and Washington, D.C. [District of Clowns] they have Got’s and Ain’t Got’s, on the East Side of New York City are the Got’s about as [Black] as a Que Ball on a pool table, and in Harlem are the Ain’t Got’s, about as [White] as the Eight Ball on a pool table. The Got’s have private parks that they have keys to and can look down into from their lofty abodes, and the Ain’t Got’s have Empty Lots with trash in them were tenements use to be, the world of reality is a cruel, cold place.

(DEMOGRAPHICS VS DEMOCRACY)

Now, we are in a period of Demographic Change, a period when those that were at the economic bottom of the social pecking order have numbers that in a Democratic Process, Voting etc., and Thomas Jefferson wrote that [A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where [51%] fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other [49%] forty-nine percent, .have the superior numbers, the balance of power by number has shifted, and many would argue that is Democracy at work, and that would be absolutely correct, and the reason why Democracy Fails. In the real world in life there is a natural pecking order, and Race, Color, Creed, Religion, Gender, Sexual Orientation, matter, and judgments are made according to them. Understand that the American-Israeli Empire is [NOT UNITED] it is Demographically Divided, there are Black, Hispanic, and White Television Stations, There are Black, Hispanic and White Neighborhoods, and each has its own culture, language, and separate perspective on issues. In the past it was understood that the Pecking order went White then Black, then another culture entered the picture Hispanic, now three separate cultures are jockeying for pecking order position, and between now and [2050] civil war [Race War] is more than possible, it could be inevitable, the Old World has gone thru these periods of social upheaval but the New World has not, but the attitudes that caused the social upheavals in Old World were carried from that world to this by the Demographic movements of its population.

[Hofstadter Wrote]

Panics, conspiracy fears and militant campaigns against outsiders began almost as soon as the republic was founded, Hofstadter writes. In the [1790s], ultra-conservative elements, particularly in New England, became obsessed with the supposed conspiracies of the Society of the Illuminati (a Bavarian Freemason group) to subvert established religions and overturn all the world's governments. More anti-Mason scares followed in the [1820s and 30s].

In the middle of the [19th] century, when hundreds of thousands of Irish and German Catholics began migrating to the [US], anti-Catholic hysteria bloomed like a fetid rose.

Jesuits and other priests, and Protestant were creeping around every corner of the [US], determined to enslave the [US] and carry out a war of extermination against heretics on the orders of the Pope in Rome.

And even today on (http://www.ThinkProgressive.Org.) Amanda Terkel has posted an article entitled [Group marches for “White Civil Rights” after Limbaugh hyped bus beating as hate crime against whites], and so it begins.

[The Black Community Activist President]

Now, the idea that both Hispanic and White American-Israeli Empire citizens are angry with the Imperial Media Messiah President is founded in truth, as the Black Community with reason, a Black Man in the White House, feels no doubt that they now have an edge, in the pecking order. And the Messiah has fed into that with a [STUPID COP] White Cop, Black Citizen, and it’s another Rodney King incident and the comment of [If you hadn’t notice I was Black before becoming President]. These comments have gone a long way in further dividing an already divided nation. An the approach to the position of President is that of a Chicago, Black Activist, Community Leader, which is come in point to the problem that the community already knew existed, talk a lot and do little, leaving the nuts and bolts of how to fix and do the fixing to someone else, leaving the community prior to the setting of the sun, working for the benefit of just one portion of the community the Black Community. The Office of the President is about all the citizens and not a select group. There is a seat in the Oval Office that needs an occupant more than the guest seats on Television Talk Shows, and at this point the Clintons may in fact not be a bad idea to have sitting down the hall as Joe Biden, seems to be clueless of what is going on.

HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

Shorter Adam:
“We wore onions on our belts as that was the fashion at the time, and my belt had at least 5 onions on it at any given time.”


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

Shorter Adam:
“We wore onions on our belts as that was the fashion at the time, and my belt had at least 5 onions on it at any given time.”


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

Not just 'migrant workers' but the wealthy and middle-class Mexicans, East Asians, South Asians and others who are buying properties in North America.

In Canada, there is a suburb of Toronto called Springdale, nicknamed 'Singhdale', because of all the Sikh residents. Their Member of Parliament, the comely Dr Ruby Dhalla, was recently busted for employing foreign workers under slave-labor conditions. Dhalla also introduced a bill to allow people from her home country to claim Social Security benefits after being in the country for only three years–an actuarial time bomb.

People still have to eat, even when farmland is lost to housing and roads. People still have to have crops irrigated, waste (pee & poo) removed and treated, and have water to drink and clean with. Enough of this 'brown people are all poor and have a lower ecological footprint' crap. Increasing the population through ANY means (the current means is mass immigration) is destroying the environment.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

I see someone who won't pay for Cinemax. Fapita fapita fapita. Explains most “conservative/Libertarians.”


typicaleeyore
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

What an absolutely appalling bunch of crap, from the Nazi references to the anti-gay propaganda. The idea that Christians are somehow discriminated against in the US is absolutely laughable. Just because you're less and less allowed to force your believes on others that don't share them, and attempt to use your beliefs to legislate what others are supposed to believe, say, do or who they should worship does not make you the victim of discrimination. Against abortions? Fine, don't have one, the idea that abortions in the US are a conspiracy to commit genocide against black Americans is just mind bogglingly ludicrous. The idea that hundreds of thousands of soldiers are going to up and quit if DADT is repealed and gay and lesbian soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen are allowed to serve openly is quite possibly the stupidest, and one of the most obviously pandering comments I have ever heard. I normally wouldn't use “stupid” in response to a story, but it truly is. For the record it's generally quite difficult, if not impossible for personnel to leave until their enlistment is completed, unless they prefer time in a brig somewhere. There gay are service personnel serving in most of the major military organizations in the west, and without any of the “sky is falling” predictions that the fringe right claims. Our service members are serving along side them around the world, without problems, so spare the crap. Your arguments are getting thinner and thinner, and soon the toilet paper that is holding them up will give way to reality.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

While one group is in the Missouri warning 'How to recognize living under Nazis and Communists', a similar group from the Kansas was holding an anti-semitic rally in front of two Brooklyn synagogues. Is it possible both teams are correct?

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/32/39/32_3…


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

Really? People smart enough to drive attended this nightmare of tin foil hatters? LOL Really?
These folks looking for an outlet for their racist feelings need to get some help..oh that's right they have no health care because they are not skilled enough to have a job that provides a good policy…..and we argue that life is not a circle…..


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

Bet you're a member of the Sierra Club. They accepted nearly $100M in philanthropic payolla from David Gelbaum, on the condition that they not speak about the negative affects of mass immigration, or overpopulation.

Forget all this talk about the 'Latino Lobby', or illegal-employing sweatshops. The main lobbyists for mass immigration (including No Illegals Left Behind-type amnesties) are the real estate, construction and banking sectors. These industries need constant population growth, in order to justify housing development and associated infrastructure (roads, schools) construction. The fastest, surefire way to increase the population, since people in developed countries don't pop a zillion babies, is mass immigration. Many of the immigrants, even from 3rd-world countries, are also well-off. All the Mother Jones readers don't like to admit that there's such a thing as wealthy immigrants, especially if they come in colors other than white. Banks also need more housing construction, to keep the real estate bubble inflated (mortgages) and sell more financial products.

If you call yourself an 'environmentalist', yet support unlimited immigration–BET YOU HAVE NO SPINE.


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

too late! LOL


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

More lies from the Sarah Palin school of control. No one will leave. No one other than the closet gays care..and they are just afraid that if it is out in the open the ones they meet at the parks will talk.


misspbg
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Omg. These people are stark raving loonies!!


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

Ya know all these so called Christans need to go read the Bible where it says that NO ONE but God will judge man…and then they need to shut up and learn how to love those different than they are in this world.


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

That would ” FOX NEWS WHERE THE NEWS LIES”


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

Oh and Fixed News reported on all of Palins stinky lies? LOL Not hardly!


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

Bet a hundred bucks that you fancy ATTRACTIVE lesbians. I know I watched 'Mulholland Drive' about a dozen times…

Also, this 'gay people have taste' thing is a bad stereotype. Who'd you rather be dressed by: Sean John, or Perez Hilton?


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Orley is an attention whore, nothing more. Not smart enough to figure out how to get involved and actually help she is content with her 15 minutes as a nut cake.


misspbg
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

Oh boy. Paranoid rantings from the lunatic fringe.


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

Would LOVE to see the one person at this site who could actually pull the trigger on a Mexican or deny one of them health care if they were dying.
like most uneducated people they have no testicals when it gets right down to it.


mycookie100
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Who are all these people, Oily included, want to tell us what fascism is like, WE LIVED UNDER BUSH FOR 8 YEARS.
If these tinfoil hat fools dared to behave like teabaggers, they'd have been locked up forever.

Where were they when Bush was redistributing 80% of the wealth to 2% of the population.
Bush was a fascist, not Obama. Palin is a fascist, her way or the highway.
The GOP has learned the lessons well of Hitler. Their propaganda network worked for a while, they got what they wanted, then what!
An $11 TRILLION DOLLAR WAR, waged on the wrong country, all about oil folks, so Cheney could charge $4.50 a gallon.

Now these fools, NOW they're out in force blaming a guy trying to fix the problems. They're evil, and I mean their lack of consciousness.

I can assure these fools, as a person how lost countless family members in the camps, OBAMA IS NOT A FASCIST OR COMMUNIST!

Although I'd love it if he were a socialist! These tinfoil hate wearers all summer long, fronting for the damned insurance companies. A lady, uninsured and unemployed screaming, no health care reform!! It's NOT health care reform, it's INSURANCE REFORM, idiots!
I hate this damned country anymore. Wish I were a Canadian.


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

The 600 who attended have to be hitting their knees at night thanking someone that breathing is an automatic response…………this group is too stupid to breath on their own.


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

AGREE 100%^


misspbg
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

Define mass immigration please. Then define urban sprawl. Thank you.


Dolmance
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

Austria wasn't “incrementally,” taken over by Hitler. It was taken over by an invasion of armor and infantry. The people were delighted because, well… They're Austrians. And the first thing they did was round up all the gays and pack them off to concentration camps. I guess they didn't much like that “gay agenda,” thing either, because, well… They're Nazis.


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Among other things, there's this:
http://www.miamiherald.com/460/story/1225950.html


Name
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

Sheesh, I'm embarrassed to be a St. Louisan. These rallies are downright scary.


Adam
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

Precisely my point. Get second and third opinions. ALL news is biased…especially in what it leaves out.


Michael
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

Mike Huckabee turned out to be a disappointment, a racist, a liar who uses the Bible to camouflage his ignorance and I am sorry, I ever supported him.


bokonon2
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

So, Fox News never makes up stories, eh? Or are you saying that everyone does it, and that makes it OK for Fox to do it on a grander and more overtly partisan scale?

Fail.

Some of those “stories” you mention – like Obama's bow to the Saudi King, which is a normal political protocol – or the so-called “terrorist fist bump” last fall – were outright hit pieces. Fox regularly engaged in cropping, selective editing, misdescription, or giving the news deliberate political spin that delights conservatives … but ain't necessarily accurate. But you know that already.

And this ACORN story is complete bumpf. Really. So what.

So – no, the worst sin committed by Fox is NOT cancelling some sitcom. And you plainly know this
otherwise you wouldn't be trying to find cute ways to excuse Fox's agenda-based coverage.

Nice attempt to pose as an open-minded skeptic, BTW.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:48 am

Serenity now…


stryker
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

600 crackpots all in one room. Who'd have thought they could fit than much stupidity in one place. Love those who know nothing of history.Obama cannot be a fascist and a communist: two totally opposite -isms. Because hitler began the joke by calling his group national socialists, these fools believe he was one. Yet the nazis got started the same way these fools are going: disruptions of political meetings, outright lies taken as truth, proclaiming their “Christianity” as hitler once did, blaming all the world's evils on a race-hitler had Jews, these fools have Muslims. 600 people with a combined IQ of a doorknob.


tlalbert
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

Thank you for this information, I look forward to joining in the fight.


andysch
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

Phyllis Schlafly was 85 years old when the article started, but by the end she was a year younger at 84 years old. David, can you write 50 more articles like this one???

Reason is valued at conservative conferences, and there is no censorship. If there are any liberal conferences that can draw 600 people at their own cost (rather than taxpayer expense), and I doubt there are, then you can bet that liberal censorship and political correctness rule the event.


Chris
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

“It’s only because of intercessory prayer that we haven’t been hit again since September 11″

Really?! If that's the case why are we spending so much money on national defense?


grf67
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

They finally figured out that cheney was not here to help them? What took so long?


Irish_Wake
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

As the unverifiable claims and insinuations continue…

My favorite is the claim to reason.
Interesting juxtaposition with the Nazi/Communist group.
That one shines!


docallen001
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

By first spending some time in the stockade.


steve
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

PRAYER is the reason why the US hasn't been attacked since 9/11?
1. Osama bin Laden prays all the time.
2. Huh?
And the radical right is afraid of fascism? Huh? Haven't they been acting like fascists?
1. alliance of government and corporations
2. touting violence as a way of solving problems
3. finding a group to hate and attack (i.e. muslims)
4. supporting the wiretapping of american citizens by its own government
ETC.


houseofbrat
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

I marvel at the stupid.

I marvel that they're so open about it.

Shame is seriously underrated.


hartford3
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

Agree 100 per cent. These idiots and their so called beliefs are too dum to realize it's the fascist who are using them to push their agenda. I sort of prefer the taste of Molson any way.


steve
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:02 am

Reason?
Like the “reason” which connects Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden?
Like the “reason” which gives us “intelligent design?”
Like the “reason” which discounts any, and all, scientific research that doesn't support reactionary
idelogy? (i.e. drugs, homosexuality)
Like the “reason” which discounts Obama's US citizenship?
Like the “reason” which calls global climate change a “hoax?”
Like the “reason” behind “Government keep your hands off of Medicare?
Like the “reason” behind continuing to support free-market economics?
Like the “reason” behind your conclusion–even though you've never been to a “liberal” conference–that you know what goes on at liberal conferences?


lynnn
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:17 am

A fetus is not a person until it has an attached brain stem. 5-6 months.


Jim
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:18 am

Bill O'Reilly loves to whine about liberal politicians who attend the KOS convention, calling it a meeting of the far left. Anyone think he will denounce the conservative politicians who attended this WingNut Fest?


kit
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:21 am

These are the sick ignorant idiots who give America a bad name


john t
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:22 am

I'm pretty sure Netroots Nation pulls more than 600 people.


deannawoods
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:36 am

The focus is, as usual, very disconcerting. Where is this group's agenda for helping the unemployed, the homeless, the hungry, the sick? When do they get proactive in helping to address the inhumane conditions that require attention around the world, rather than spending their energy on guns, anti-abortion causes, prayer in the schools according to their own version of religion without regard to others. What a tiny, tiny world they live in, and very self-centered.


dfunzy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:43 am

Riding the wheel of hate is how the Nazi came to power. They divided and sub-divided people. They made boogeymen of their fellow citizens. They sent thugs into meeting halls to disrupt discussions. They whipped up fear and distrust. They used distortion and outright lies. The only solutions they offered was the demonization and extermination of their fellow citizens
The lady from Austria looks and sounds more like a nazi than anyone in the government.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:43 am

Snap! You're both wrong- that Methuselah is undead, therefore she could well have died 45 years ago, rendering birthdays irrelevant. There is some very obscure pre-youtube footage of Schlafly and Maggie Thatcher slowly circling each other at some private event or another. In the film, they are clearly sniffing at each others' oozing life-force and maneuvering like alley cats to strike a coup d grace with the purpose of sucking dry one the others' essence and hence stand victorious as top cat.It eventually ended in an impasse. Compelling viewing. Prime stuff for the Animal Planet channel


boredwell
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:43 am

What a paradox! Schlafly and partisans fret and fear marxism and socialism while offering their totalitarian brand of right wing Christian conservatism as THE counter measure. If their ideology for “Taking Back America” includes a picture of god in the classroom and all children praying to it regardless of their creed, that, it seems to me, is very much more like a dictatorship to fear than the president's policies.


Adam
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Never was a fan of Yusuf Islam. A little before my time. I'm more of a Sting/Police and Michael Jackson guy.


E_Joyce
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:53 am

Let's just say FEAR is the agenda being promoted and call it a day. That is all that the conservatives are bringing to the table. Can anyone name just one thing, one suggestion, one major accomplishment, one single idea to improve the lot of the citizens of this country in the last eight months? Between the sexual affairs and financial corruption bubbling up to the light of day — which kills all that religion and family values marketing, spinning it into hypocritical obscurity — and the reality is that the better strategy would have been to team with the Democrats to get the country back on track, than to be the party of “no” thus fiddling for their political party while Rome burns. It's clear, we get it, political party and corporate pursestrings before the people, most of whom don't really even understand what fascism even means or they'd stop using the term.


Jason
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:57 am

Christians…. Oh, Christians… Jeez. Almost speechless here.

Almost.

Oh the persecuted Christian. The poor, poor persecuted Christian. They simply can't understand why the people they persecute and punish (via the United States Government) are punching them. They just can't figure it out. Why would someone punch them back after getting punched abd raped BY them? Why oh why?

The problem is this; Christians have lost all sense of self. They have lost all sense of decency toward fellow mankind. They are living in fear. And under delusions. And certainly if Jesus Christ WERE to come back to earth, 'Christians' would not even recognize him. They would persecute him now, even as people did back then. Instead they would opt to hunt him down and kill him for turning their wine back into water.

If Christians aren't persecuting someone, they feel incomplete. Like they aren't 'doing their job.' Their persecution is what bonds them, it is what keeps them going back to church, and it is what keeps them paying their weekly stupid tax to the Church of What-The-F-Ever.

(This theory works for ALL religions. Just cross out 'Christian' and insert YOUR favorite religion in it's place. It's hours of fun for the whole (educated) family!)


lordmi
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:08 am

These people are the closest one to nazism.
They,stupid, just do not know, what they are talking about.
They are the closest ones, and they are – the real danger for the Nation.


Lamont Cranston
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:11 am

The problem with Kitty Werthmann's explaination of just how Hitler took over was very incomplete, but the rubes in the audience are not schooled enough in hisotry to have figured that out as they heard the snippets that they wanted to hear.

My wife's family has taught more about Hilter and life in his Germany than any textbook could ever had taught me, and believe me, we were closer to “Hitler's” Germany while Bush and Cheney were in power. Even they told us every time we visited them in Germany over the past years while the Bush cabal was in power to be careful about those two as there were far more similarities with them than with Obama.

What bunch of ignorant fools.


lamontcranston
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:22 am

They managed an alleged 60,000 crackpots in DC just a month ago and they had a collective IQ total of a watermelon. Oh, but wait…. That was outside, shoulder to shoulder…


bmore_grind
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Selective history can be a very dangerous thing indeed. (the Shadow knows, eh?)

I'd be very interested to hear what your wife's family has to say!


mrsmax
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:41 am

How dare this woman Kitty Werthmann describe herself as a “Holocaust survivor”?
She blabs on about Hitler without ever mentioning anti-Semitism. She describes her homeland as “a 100 percent Christian nation” completely overlooking the 200,000 Jews who lived in Austria when Hitler marched in and the 65,000 who were eventually murdered in a country she lovingly recalls as being filled with “order, prayer and pictures of Jesus.” Sounds just like what the far right has in mind for America


Kycigar
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 2:00 am

I wish we had known that “intercessory prayer” was all we needed to keep ourselves safe from another attack. Just think, we have sacrificed over 4,500 American lives and flushed untold billions down the drain, when all we needed to do was pray for 10 minutes each day.

Thanks “General” Boykin! You are a great American indeed…

I'm ready for the Rapture to come along so all of these crazy fools will evaporate into thin air.


ghhugh
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 2:05 am

AFTER READING THIS I'M STARTING TO FEEL ILL. LIKE WHEN YOU EAT COTTON CANDY THAT IS REALLY SPUN GLASS.


tompainenyc
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 2:06 am

This is the result of the collapse of the public school system since Reagan. Its scary how this stupidity can even find an organized “voice”. We need a clear separation of church and state, culturally; and a return to teaching critical thinking in school, instead of “preparing” kids for “profitable careers”. I am so glad I live in New York City, well away from the cultural context that breeds and tolerates these nut cases. That's what they are. Nut cases.


rickfoil
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 2:36 am

I find it really odd… no hipcritic (sp?)… that the very same people who invoke a parallelism between Hitler/Nazis and Obama also denounce homosexuals. Their “excuse” (for lack of a better word) is that Hitler, too, pushed for some form of National Health Care for Germany.

Let's not overlook the fact that under Hitler's Nazi Germany, more than 100,000 homosexuals were sent to concentration camps for “re-education”… as many as 15,000 were documented to have been murdered by the Gestapo. These acts scream of intolerance… if not outright hate of homosexuality.

As an educated heterosexual male, I find the ultra conservative right wing's intolerance to gay people a more telling and ominous parallelism to National Socialism than anything Obama, the democrats, and progressives have been discussing — and I don't care how Fox News is portraying it either.


tedbigred
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 4:00 am

I fear for my country. These people have just no sense of history. But they do have guns. We need to get these people books, not ammo, stat.


jamie461
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 4:26 am

Phyllis Schlafly was invited to speak at my Illinois college in the early 1980s. She is still the same shrill harpy now as she was then. What an incredible waste of energy these people are.


jonathanu
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Persecuting GLBT people, denying evolution, and trying to wage a religious war against Islam: These things are all so much easier than actually solving the world's problems.


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2moons
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:35 am

Conservatives believe that discrimination is fundamental to the founding of our nation. America's cultural default position is deeply rooted in white-male preference. Religion is central to cultural development. These people are capable of discriminating on a vast array personal/social characteristics. They are experts at throwing wedges, inspecting bona fides, dehumanizing “others”.

This is how one learns to rationalize, in politically correct terms, the visceral emptiness that emerges in the absence of compassion for another human being.


larspardo
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:46 am

the “gay agenda” & fascism are on opposite sides of the political spectrum as any political survivor of the concentration camps could tell you.
If the democrats are part of the “gay agenda”, that would make the republican agenda fascist.


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Artemis34
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:50 am

Rev. Scarborough is evidently not a biblical scholar. There is NO prohibition against lesbianism in the Bible whatsoever and passages supposed to be about homosexuality were not properly translated. Most think it was a prohibition against pederasty particularly where the boy was also a slave.

Evidently not a constitutional scholar either as we have separation of Church and state.


Artemis34
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:55 am

You can call these folks

Al Cracker!


Artemis34
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:57 am

Schlafly – the female misogynist!


Artemis34
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:59 am

absolutely appalling bunch of crap

Sums it up nicely!


Gary Goodman
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 8:00 am

It's not government taking over the means of production. It's the means of production taking over the government.

Follow the money. Did the banks GIVE $24 Trillion + $2 Trillion to the Government? No, the government gave $2 Trillon to the banks, then the Fed gave an additional $24 Trillion since last year. (Actually, they only gave $12 Trillion and promised another $12. This is not an anti-Jew statement about bankers.

I'm somewhat from the “black helicopter set” too, but those black helicopters will be owned by private military corporations, receiving government contracts, as they do now.


Artemis34
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 8:06 am

Conservative in the Northern Mariana Islands proved they are anti choice and not pro life by supporting those who forced abortions on the women enslaved there under the US flag.

In Dr. Tiller's practice he was treating women for fetal demise. That is the fetus was nothing more than a clump of dead cells and the only life in danger was that of the mother from sepsis and other complications. There was never going to be a baby. But they once again proved they are anti choice and not pro life at all, by not only opposing and obstructing the treatment of the mother but murdering the doctor.


Gary Goodman
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 8:12 am

Skousen and JBS and Christian Defense League were promoting this in the 60s too.

Despite his anti-communism and that of the Agency, even J.E. Hoover was perturbed by these charlatans, some ex-FBI agents trading mendaciously on the name, and generating some 10,000 calls per month to the FBI to verify, refute, or sort it out. Big money in that.

——
“Admiral Chester Ward, the retired former Judge Advocate General, who told FBI the he, Ward, had been contacted by Skousen to see if he would be a participating member in the program. Ward told Mott that Skousen impressed him as an ‘unprincipled racketeer in anticommunism’ who is ‘money mad’ and who is doing anything and everything to exploit the subject.”

Admiral Ward told Mott that he intended to have absolutely nothing to do with Skousen in this or any other of his money-making ventures in this field since he feels that Skousen is totally unqualified and is interested solely in furthering his own personal ends.

The Bureau frequently described Schwarz with the epithet “professional anticommunist” – and they also included Billy James Hargis (Christian Crusade), former FBI Special Agent Dan Smoot and Edgar C. Bundy (Church League of America) in this category.
——

Glenn Beck has been heavily peddling “The 5000-Year Leap” by this late Skousen.

Deja vu.


lordbasil
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 8:44 am

Thank God for hard traditionalists like these people who are fighting to protect America and the traditions that made it great from liberal fascists like the Marxist homosexual Barry Soetoro (aka Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama). They have quite a battle on their hands, but buyer's remorse has set in, and the tide is turning against the Marxists.

I predict they will be kicked out in 2010 in an extraordinary act of patriotism by right thinking Americans.


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Robert
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 10:12 am

I am fascinated by the short attention span of American conservatives, and by the apparent randomness of their attacks. According to almost any one of them, Barak Obama is a fascist AND a communist (Yes, there is a big difference, as any freshman poli-sci student could tell you), and if you listen to some of these clowns, he's a muslim, an illegal alien and a homosexual too. I suppose at this point the President has simply morphed, in their minds, to an embodiment of everything they don't like. Don't look now, but I think he might believe in evolution too!

It is particularly ironic how they repeatedly refer to Obama as a fascist and a Nazi. If one considers what their own president, and their Republican party did in the dark days and years after the September 11th attacks; If one considers the USA Patriot Act, GITMO, the bombings and invasions – The culture of fear and paranoia that these very people embraced and supported, it's amazing that the U.S. did NOT become a totalitarian police state in the early part of this decade.

Now we've finally got a decent president with a moral compass and a brain in his head, and these people despise him. Here they are, up in arms, calling him Hitler. And why? Because he wants…universal healthcare. The monster!

I am pretty confident that the right wing nuts can forget about “Taking back America” at any point in the foreseeable future. If the Republicans are smart, they'll start thinking about taking back their own party from the crazies and the talk radio hosts. If they don't start acting like grownups (and calling Obama a Marxist is NOT grown up), they'll risk being out on the fringes of government for the next generation.


Allison Kilkenny: Nazibalooza | Obama Biden White House
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[...] conference in St. Louis that took place this past weekend. I highly recommend taking the whole bizarre journey yourself, but here are a few choice nuggets to wet your appetite for lunacy. The article’s [...]


Allison Kilkenny: Nazibalooza | Obama Biden White House
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[...] conference in St. Louis that took place this past weekend. I highly recommend taking the whole bizarre journey yourself, but here are a few choice nuggets to wet your appetite for [...]


Lazlo Espinoza
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 11:22 am

Make no mistake: the genocidal afrosupremist monster Obongo is arming millions of gays, blacks and islamofascist who lie in wait in America to kill all the white males and take their women to breed more islamofascist warriors and take over the world.

IT

IS

THE

PLAN


Former birther Trent Franks suggests Obama ‘acts un-American.’ | Pure Politics
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[...] two years after it became a state.” In an interview with the Washington Independent’s Dave Weigel at the How To Take Back America conference this weekend, Franks said that he believes Obama is [...]


rextrek1
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

Homosexual Agenda….REALLY>? The ONLY agenda I know of is…..wanting to be treated Equally in ALL Matters of civil laws of the the United states….. these sickos, are the ones we have to worry about..NOT the Gay people of America…..The Right Wing American Taliban is DANGEROUS!


Nyarlathotep
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

Absolutely fucking insane. Truly sad to be from a place that once valued education and has now given way to absurd fear mongering. No basic understanding of political theory, no understanding of what fascism and communism are, no understanding of history.

“Her credibility is questioned because she has an accent,” said Davis, defending Taitz, “and yet the reason she has an accent is because she came from a Communist country, and she knows how awful that is, to have a government usurped.”

Just because she CAME from a communist country does not mean she knows what communism is. Her credibility is questioned not because of her accent, but because she gets online degrees…and she advances an asinine argument that ignores any evidence contradictory to what she WANTS to be true. Just like all the other fools discussed in this article.

Disgusting. The whole lot of you people who actually believe any of this drivel.


riredinpa
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:40 pm

Robert, Google Jungian shadow and it should explain the far right's position on Obama. Then Google “opportunistic” for a definition and insert the word “financial” in front of it to explain Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck et al. Finally, using the opportunistic again, put the word “politically” in front and it'll explain the GOP party's position on Obama. Finally, use the term “spineless” or “feckless” to explain why the rest of the normal “Conservatives” do not stand up to the lunatic fringe within their own party and kick them out. To put it in modern terms (and just for the lovely howls of denial and accusations it will receive) what is happening to the GOP is similar to what Osama bin Laden and the Taliban did in co-opting Islam to fit their deranged views.


drmike
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

I truly do not understand how anyone can have these thoughts. I think about what goes through their minds. I've come to this conclusion. Their minds must be absolutely devoid of all logic and thought. It is a black cloud of hatred because they do not understand the world around them. They fear. They crave for someone to tell them what to do. Along come the manipulative Right, who feed on the mentally weak. Finally, these empty-minded people have fodder in which to express their hatred of everyone. They finally have words…not their own words, not their own thoughts, but hell, what do they care if anything they say makes sense? They have no logic.
What gives me great pleasure, however, is the fact that so many people on here (and elsewhere) have expressed with eloquence and thoughtful argument how utterly wrong these people are. There were only 600 people from a nation of 350 million who attended this stupid conference. Sure, they are yelling louder than they ever did before. Sure they are yelling with more hatred and bigotry than they ever did before. But there are many fewer of them than there ever was before.
Someday, their kind will be extinct. Our society will continue to progress and they will be left behind, stewing in a corner with their hatred and guns. But they will eventually disappear and we will stop looking at the color of a person's skin. We will stop wondering if some man is sleeping with another man. We will stop hating for the sake of hating.
I have faith in the people of this country to do what's right. Hell, we elected Obama with a CLEAR majority….that was a good start.


Donald
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

To think that I actually thought Americans were smart?!

This is one of the most scary things I have learned about.

These people ARE actually doing what hitler did. This is how he started, with religious support!

And claiming how evil the government was.


bujudude
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

Lazlo Espinoza and lordbasil make me want to hurl just having to share the same PLANET as people as vile, racist, homophobic and just plain ignorant as they are. Toss out the most ludicrious accusations with virtually NO basis in truth or reality and hope they can connect to other brainless far-right wing nuts who “want their country back”. It's practially guaranteed that both of them loved Bush and quesitoned NOTHING about his insane policies, but Obama is evil incarnate just by being black and slightly left of center. Go away trolls!


chrisjay
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

Sorry, Brazil Nut, Lady Liberty has a message she wants me to give to you:

————-Once you go black, you never go back——————————————–


bmore_grind
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

A lot of us are, we are just rarely reported on since we don't act like utter lunatics :(


bmore_grind
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

hypocritical :)


bmore_grind
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

I think the driving force behind this is that they are terrified because their demographic will soon be a minority. It would explain all the anti-census nonsense as well.


ej3
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

I think the phrase still crazy after all these years describes both Schafly and Werthmann. The Nazis were big on using the eagle as a symbol too.


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[...] child can remember at 7:45 in the morning. Well— if you are a conservative by the same logic, that makes you a Nazi! “We had prayer in school before we started class, and after class,” said Werthmann. “One [...]


Liberty Belle
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

Jesus would be horrified by what passes for Christianity in 2009.

I'm relieved, though, that so many comments here provide ample evidence of well-read, well-educated people aware of the etymology and history behind all the words being tossed around so casually, as well the actual contents of our founding documents.

Fascism. Totalitarianism. Socialism. Nazis.

As John Stuart Mill remarked, all conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but generally, stupid people are conservatives.


simon4
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

Yep, you've got it all figured out. The gays want to take the women and breed more.

IDIOT.


simon4
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

yep. Look at all those liberal events that require “loyalty oathes” ala bush events.


low-tech cyclist
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

This:

“A lot of people don’t think the U.N. is any big threat,” said Karen Clark, an activist from Utah, telling TWI what she’d learned from Gaffney’s speech. “I hadn’t heard about the two schools of transnationalism before.”

Makes me think of this:

Sir Bedevere: …and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped.
King Arthur: This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.


Marcia
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

The fascists have a fear of fascism. Amazing.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

I am fascinated when people use words regardless of meaning, or cite a fictional account of history. Schlafley says the Austrian Anschluss was a slow process, when it was an overnight military annexation welcomed by cheering throngs. Little Lord Fauntleroy Basil mashes together words that have opposite meanings such as liberal (adj. noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform), and fascist (n. a person who has dictatorial extreme right-wing views).
Basil the scholar insists that people at this seminar are 'hard' traditionalists. This could be code for accepting the traditional Judaism as opposed to the liberalized teachings of Jesus. As he alone knows what this means, I request a clarification. I see that we agree on tradition. History has many lessons. One seems to speak to this cause directly:
'We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.” -Roosevelt


freeman888
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

This group is a representative of Christians as Al Qaeda is a representative of Islam, both are simply terrorist groups. The biggest difference between them is that the eagle forum seems to promote more hatred and intolerance of others than Al Qaeda EVER has.

Both groups show what happens when “True Believers” pervert the concept of a once all loving God. The only difference between the two groups is the language used to misdirect their followers. (Arabic and English).


californiadreamin2
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

I would say, “lol” and congradulate you on your wit if it weren't for the fact that the rabid right will more than likely come up with something even crazier than that.

Or perhaps they already have. One thing that's ironic about the birther controversy is that Republican candidate John McCain was ineligible for the presidency; he was born in Panama.


californiadreamin2
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

I think Lazlo Espinoza was kidding. Can't you detect irony?


bmore_grind
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

If you think President Obama is anything but an extremely moderate liberal (I would argue he's actually dead center), your compass is way off.


bmore_grind
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

Shoot, he figured out the plan. Who gave this guy the secret memo??


AFWeather
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

And indeed, that reasoning itself is a fallacy, as Germany has had universal health care since the 1880s.


hyphenv8
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

I voted for Clinton twice, Bush twice and Obama once. I'm an independent who makes every effort to follow whom I believe is most suited for the Office, based on the given candidates at the time of the election. I am certain of this, just as I have failed as a human being in areas of life, every man I've voted for has failed in some regard. I don't believe Obama is a fascist, he's certainly not a socialist in the extreme sense of the word. I have many problems with this event. To have a retired General get up and talk about socialism and fascism as he is on the payroll (military pension) is a farce. That's one of the biggest problems in our society (I served in the USN for almost 11 years so my comment about military pensions is NOT baseless). They want us to be mindful of the Constitution and history. Well, if you look at the Constitution, it is a socialist document written “by the people for the people” to remove themselves from a tyranical dictatorship (at the time England). As for history and fascism involving the government taking over, every bit of it involves race regimes. Now where do I see Obama taking the government into a race war? No where. “How to take back America” is conjecture projection (catchy phrase huh). There are white people who feel they have “lost” the power and don't want any other group holding that power. In a nutshell, its their fear they are professing to be the problem the opposition is committing. As for some of the topics they discussed, I believe in school prayer, but I don't think you should force a kid (or anyone) to pray if they don't want to. I don't believe in abortions, but in all fairness to those I know who've had abortions, I'm not condemning them to hell for their actions (that's between them and God). I'm also not out there making any real efforts to assist those considering abortions about other options to keep the child. I don't want to pay for it, but I'm not going to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body, especially if its under the law. As for “gays” don't ask don't tell was instituted while I served and I thought it was more than appropriate at the time. If the law is changed and they can serve openly, it would not be unConstitutional, but it would go against the UCMJ. The miliary and those serving in certain political positions are held to a different standard under different laws (by order of the Congress) than the rest of society, so I see there might be a lot of issues about keeping the status quo on that one, too many other laws would have to be challenged and or changed. As for Christianity, I don't have a picture of a blonde haired, blue eyed white Jesus (that's something I've always hated seeing as a child) in my home, but I do own a bible and I do attend church on the most segregated day in America. I say that because more white folk have a problem sitting under a black pastor (or any pastor of color) than vice versa. Power, authority and submission is obvious in this society. Jimmy Carter was correct in his assessment of our society and race. He was also correct about a lot of things wrong in America while President, but has anyone taken notice how easily he has been dismissed by the media and even Obama, why is that? Anyway, I respect this ladies age and I have sympathy toward what she experienced as a child, but that's as far as I'm willing to go. If she is correct about Obama being a fascist or if the “birthers” are correct, what would it demonstrate other than what we already know about our society. It is full of corruption. If she's wrong do you think she'll apologize to anyone for anything she's said or done OR do you think she'll move forward with another claim before she dies (she is 84)?


redmjoel
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

Clearly it is, because where else you you draw Jew from anything else you said, wingnut?


Tin Foil Ted
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

Considering all of the hats that had to be made, was there any tin foil left in the entire state?


WhatMatters
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

This was an event for the unhinged, irrational, paranoid & uninformed fringe element of society. The fact that some occupy seats in government is frightening. They represent the very real danger they wish to blame on Obama. This is another example of indoctrination of the extreme right-wing.


sean2
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

well think about this…it is the “right” nut jobs who say that this country shouldnt secure equal rights for homosexuals..its the “right” nutjobs who say no matter what a woman has no right to choose.. .its the “right” nutjobs who say this country needs to have prayer in every school…its the “right” nutjobs who say we need to have internet censored for “objectional” material…its the “right” who want to shield their kids from science, music that contains “suggestive” lyrics, TV, movies, etc because the material is not christian like. Basically its the “right” nut jobs who want to limit our freedoms. If we are truely a free society there would be no drug laws, no censors on our TV and in music, a woman would have the right to her body and her choices, a man would be able to marry another man if thats what he wants..basically the very freedoms the conservative clown shoes fight so hard to restrict would be accessable to every man, woman and child…the only thing these assclowns are concern with are their guns to protect them from gays, their bible to keep them from hell.. and a whole lot of other bullshit …they need to be marginalized and pushed into alaska or something…i mean seriously..we really need to invest billions NOT in the middle east, but in our own education system so we stop breeding fxckin idiots like these fools


Fear of Fascism
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[...] Fear of Fascism These people scare the bejeezus out of me…….They used to be dismissed as the "fringe" but their views are becoming the "mainstream" of the right: The Washington Independent Fear of Fascism, ‘Gay Agenda’ Dominates Conservative Kickoff … [...]


Dirty
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

“Franks, like the other members of Congress who appeared at the conference, tied the cause of Eagle Forum activists to the goals of the founders, of Abraham Lincoln, and of true adherents to the Constitution.”
I love that they use Abraham Lincoln who was an atheist. Just more proof that these people have no clue.
“The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession.”
– Abraham Lincoln


triathlon
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

MISSPBG WROTE, In response to triathlon:

Oh boy. Paranoid rantings from the lunatic fringe.

TRIATHLON TO MISSPBG: Is that the very best you can do Democratic? The Usual Nancy type Pelosi name calling, your way or the highway. Now, unlike you the Republicans are Crooks, but Democratics, are to Dumb to be good Crooks. Were as we INDEPENDENTS TAKE BACK AMERICA MOVEMENT PATRIOTS, are to smart to be Democratics, and to Honest to be Republicans, and come [2010] a lot of your Democratic Lunatic's will be on the unemployment line along with the (20+%) Twenty-Plus Percent now on it.

That's the best you got and your Media Messiah Imperial President want's you to go back to school, it wouldn't help.

HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN


Skull / Bones » Blog Archive » What is the “Obama Problem” of which they speak of?
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[...] Exhibit #2, video here: [...]


Drasties - Dutch on the World - World on the Dutch
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[...] because there were quite a number of elected Republican officials who attended the conference who could be questioned about it [...]


O. C. Dixon
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

I'm so absolutely tired of hearing this complete none sense. What is happening in this country?


chrisjay
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 9:49 pm

Sorting thru Triathlon's turgid squawking requires more of a triathlete than I'll ever be…


Irish_Wake
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 12:03 am

Wouldn't it have been better to have not proved MISSPBG correct?


It might work. What the hell do I know? | Iowa Liberal
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bearclaw
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 1:21 am

Wingnut triathlon:

Swim through an ocean of conspiracy theories, swallowing most that ocean in the process;

(Re)cycle white supremacism as “patriotism”, because you need to “take back” America from all the people who aren't as white and ignorant as you;

Run in fear from your own shadow, while feigning bravado.

Oh, and thanks for demonstrating your superior intellect through your consistent misuse of apostrophes and your equally consistent misspelling of that challenging word, “too.”


cash14
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 4:25 am

I believe any one who talks like this, and or believes these rantings of lunatics run amok should be given their own little parcel of land so they can stop polluting this once great country with their venemous lies. Who are the Hitler types in this scenario?


Adam
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 5:04 am

Again, this is all very funny and ironic, considering that Senator McCarthy and J.E. Hoover–great right-wing heroes, like raghead-lover Ronnie–were total fudgepackers, and the old Christian socialists and Marxist-Leninist commies would flay homos alive.

They ARE right about authoritarian regimes of allsorts banning guns: North Korea (commie), The PRC (commie, transitioning to corporatist), Burma (fascist), Singapore (corporatist/quasi-dictatorship) and Iran (theocratic/totalitarian) all ban, or severely restrict civilian ownership of firearms…and even airguns. Hitler confiscated firearms. He also hated hunting and loved animals, even FEEDING mice in his apartment. There goes the 'animal-lovers aren't misanthropes' argument.


Adam
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 5:40 am

Unlike the Islamists, these won't try to fly planes into buildings, hoping for 72 pieces of Houri tail in the afterlife.

God doesn't necessarilly LOVE people. Both Judeo-Christian texts and Mohammed the kiddie-diddling (remember–he nailed 'wife' Aisha, when she was NINE) 'prophet's' collected rants state in several places, quite clearly, that he HATES people…sometimes. (He made 'em, so he can break 'em.)

Muslims are a special breed of literalist crazy. They actually believe that the Qur'an was Gabriel's verbatum dictation of a heaven-kept text etched in stone, in (apparently, fully-pointed for vowels) Classical Arabic…coincidentally, in the same dialect spoken by (the illiterate) Mohammed. Unlike even the most 'fundamentalist' Christian, or Jewish sect, there is no wiggle room for interpretation, or translation. The Qur'an (in Classical Arabic–translations are merely 'interpretations') is the word of God, PERIOD, right down to the 'beat your wife' and 'fuck 72 whores in Heaven' bits. Try teaching the Qur'an in a comparative religion class, and see how much trouble you'll get from the school's Muslim Students' Association.

As rotten as some Christian (e.g., Bountifull) and Chassidic Jewish sects are, nothing can compare with the darkest corners of the Islamic world, for sheer viciousness. On religious bigotry, family violence and misogyny, no other religion can touch Islam. Shari'a prescribes DEATH for aposacy. (Obama's Secret Service guys better watch out for bearded men with Qur'ans.) Religious groups like the Baha'i (whose prophets came AFTER Mohammed) are routinely killed by Muslims. 'Honor killings' of women by Muslim family members are all-too common, even in the West. Female genital mutillation (clitorectomies and/or cutting the labia off) is common, especially in North African Muslim communities (even in the U.S.). Pederasty is considered acceptable, even in 'moderate' sects like Sufism (see 'Man Love Thursdays', in Afghanistan). Salman Rushdie is in hiding and Theo van Gough is dead, thanks to Muslim fatwas. Can you think of any other religion that rioted over CARTOONS?

Enough equivocating. Islam, at least the dominant Salafi variety, is festering garbage and a threat to our physical and cultural survival. It's on par with the Thugee/Kali Cult, or Aum Shinrikyo, but a BILLION strong.


Chris
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 5:44 am

These people are real nuts. That they are even considered in some circles as sane is VERY SCARY. This country is doomed if the progressive majority can't stand up to these WINGNUTS.


The face of right-wing conspiracism « Arthur Goldwag
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Ian
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

If this weren't so scary it would be funny. I wonder how these people don't realize their hypocrisy and stupidity. Oh, and by the way there has never been a communist country, only despotic regimes using communist phrases.


bmore_grind
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

Do you mean the “animal lovers CAN'T be misanthropes” argument?


bmore_grind
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

Perhaps you should take back your understanding of spelling and grammar, and then you can “take back America,” whatever that means.


bmore_grind
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

Oops, I think you are correct!


Midday open thread | Bloggers For Change
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bmore_grind
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

Thanks for sharing this. Excellent post.


State Of Disgrace – Will The Volatile Rhetoric STOP? | Reality Liberation Front
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[...] as “an enemy of humanity?“  How is THAT reasonable or sane?  At the same conference, considerable time was also given to the threat of the “gay agenda,” the “fascist agenda,” and [...]


Arliss
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

What a bunch of unbelievably crazy people!


Arliss
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

One thing that does not get reported or even acknowledged is the growing influence that Moonies have over the Republican party.
A lot of the things that these people say come directly from the mouth of Moon himself.
Most of these conservatives do not even know about Moonies, much less how much influence they have over their party.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

I bring you news that will enable you to understand how these people can have these thoughts.

Magical Thinking, an irrational belief that one can bring about a circumstance or event by thinking about it or wishing for it; normal in preschool children, it also occurs in schizophrenia and OCD.

This group is exhibiting the same behavior as a toddler: defending a closely held belief or want in spite of any subsequent information.

Before you dismiss the idea, or its those who use it so loudly, remember how our country arrived where it is today.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

If Timothy McVeigh had had the resources that Bin Laden had, he'd have proven you wrong, Adam, about who would or wouldn't fly planes into buildings…


Adam
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

'Animal-lovers aren't misanthropes', as in Hitler really LOVED people (provided they weren't Jews, or Gypsies). Or, of course, Karla Homulka–vetrenary assistant, who raped, killed and dismembered her sister. If animal-love could be used to predict these tendancies…


Adam
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

McVeigh befriended the FIRST WTC bomber in the can (maybe…in the shower). Maybe he even became a Muslim 'revert', before they gave him the needle.

For Christians and Jews, getting buggered by Satan is what awaits people who commit suicide; for Muslims, it's blowjobs from 72 dark-eyed virgins of indeterminate gender.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

fundamentalist Christians have been excited (theoretically) about martyrdom ever since St Stephen couldn't find another gig. The current crop are more than fine with the concept, as long as someone else is doing the dying. I'm not so sure Ted Haggerty is too put off by the prospect of becoming Satan's bitch and I'm not sure Jimmy Swaggart wouldn't give it a go. I wouldn't even begin to speculate on what kind of sexual “strange” got McVeigh off, but I recognize that black hole behind his eyes every time Iswitch to Fox or TBN…


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Observer
Comment posted October 1, 2009 @ 12:40 pm

That the right wingnuts should be claiming to be afraid of nazism is the most extreme irony possible.

I hope and pray that the rest of the country wakes up to the danger represented by these people. It is real.

In a free society, you can't just 'stomp them out', but extreme, destructive, hate-filled politics must be marginalized or democracy will have failed and the country will have failed.

So, it you don't like right wingnut politics, stand up and speak out.


Karen
Comment posted October 1, 2009 @ 12:49 pm

The people who attend these silly get togethers need a life, or learn to volunteer to an organization. They are wasting their lives and time on pure bull! Are they that lazy that they can't look up some of these comments made at these meetings to see how untrue they are.

And to think some of our elected officials go to these meetings. I hope no one votes for them next time around.


StewartIII
Comment posted October 1, 2009 @ 1:34 pm

NewsBusters: NPR's Gross Explores (and Laughs at) 'Strange' Fox News
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/10…


moniqueO
Comment posted October 1, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

Hey, so how all that money your getting from Barbra Streisand and George Soros doing??
3 peas in a pod! Talk about hateful Anti American, Anti Constitution people!
So busted!! Your type are free to leave and live in your country of choice, but your still here???
If you hate the people here so much, you can leave at any time.
How about a little research into Obamas Valerie Jarrett and get back to us on your little freak out about non libs that actually Love America and the Constitution!? Do you even dare to uncover the corruption surrounding Obamas CLOSE advisers and Czars?
Bet your afraid to. You might find something that makes the Dems/Libs look really really bad.
Hey, guess who is going to make a ton of money from being a slum lord if the Olympics go to Chicago?? Yep, Obamas BEST Friends!


chrisjay
Comment posted October 1, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

Sorry, but Strange Fox news is a redundancy


Irish_Wake
Comment posted October 1, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

I stand in awe.


Larry
Comment posted October 2, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

Jeesuz…these people are batsh*t insane.


Patrick
Comment posted October 3, 2009 @ 12:14 am

Phyllis Schlafly is one whacked out lady. Why do these folks have so much hate towards people who have a different point of view. I don't hate any of them>>I just don't understand why they are always pushing their agenda as the only way to live. Ms. Schlafly is one of the most hate filled people in our country>>>maybe she is the mom of Ann Coulter. That might explain where Ms. Coulter got her hate gene.


ThisCanadian
Comment posted October 3, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

wow.

I wish I was gay, so I could have run my naked, socialized Canadian ass through the room & give them all cardiac arrests…

as it is, all I've got is the Evil Spector of American hobbled Universal HealthCare

OMG!
BURN THE WITCH!

Give those freaks half a second of your time, & they'll have the US starting another Civil War against 'UnAmericans Amongst US!' & then turning their corporations to eating your neighbours alive…

well, you've already been investing billions a year into killing sovereignty & social programs into 'American Privatized DREAMS' for your Southern & Northern Neighbours…

maybe this freak out at home will teach Americans to respect their neighbours?
I'm not holding out any faith in the “Hopium”…
well, at least it keeps you busy
…so you forget what atrocities you pay big buck$ to enable corporations to commit abroad…

just remember! these fuckers eventually remember its easier to exploit the neighbour 3' away rather than the ones they hide from you across sealed prison borders 3,000 Km away…

essentially, bullies are lazy bastards, or they'd be more creative & less focused on the creativity of abuse & propaganda


Patrick
Comment posted October 4, 2009 @ 11:42 pm

Monique,

YOU are the hater here! You might try spell/grammar check. I bet if we did a deep look into Karen Hughes (Bush's gal), we would find all kinds of shit.


mozzi
Comment posted October 5, 2009 @ 5:31 am

Dig away! Bet you won't!!

A hater here, for stating Facts?? oooo someone burst your little utopian bubble of the great hoper changer and his corrupt pals.
You do know that this is not being graded right? (just in case you did not know that.)


chrisjay
Comment posted October 5, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

I think you're the hoper-in-vain: you & your wingnut fringe keep digging and HOPING and praying for that gusher: a scandal that'll answer your prayers of underminig POTUS. Your Birther hopes are in the crapper, so maybe this meme about how 'Chicago is corrupt so we'll surely find something on the guy in that town'.. will pan out—-keep looking for a stained blue dress, keep sniffing the laundry hampers–LOL–keep hope alive, mozzi


trippin
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

Fascists bemoaning fascism. If that isn't Upside Down Land, what is?


RedGraham
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 12:03 am

Jesse Dirkhising of Rogers, AR suffered a much worse fate than that sorry sucker Mathew Shepard. Where is the justice for Jesse Dirkhising? So-called “gay” people are the ruin of our nation. Preservation of species and self-defense against AIDS/HIV demand we fight back against their activism. They cannot reproduce they must recruit. Call it mental illness if you want but I say it is demon-possession.


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colt1911
Comment posted January 2, 2010 @ 9:44 am

My favorite line…Surrender your guns…one bullet at a time. That is what I will do when the government comes for mine.

We should listen to this woman.

As for all you fruitcakes that want to destroy all that is clean and decent…please move to another country and leave this one alone.


Bebe99
Comment posted January 7, 2010 @ 5:45 pm

Its interesting to see in Werthmann's writings that there were originally two sides fighting to rule Austria–the Communists and the Nationalists. The Nationalists/Fascists won, not the Communists! The rightwing likes to try to merge the two into one unit, however this is never the case. In most South American countries the same two groups have also fought one another. The truth is fascism is a blend of nationalism and corporatism, while communism merges labor and socialism. Two opposite ends of the spectrum. So if today's American liberals are communists, their right wing counterparts are the fascists. I don't think either is the case, however, if we continue on the course of political extremism, these two groups are what we will get. Our enemy is extremism in whatever form.


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ron1126
Comment posted January 15, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

To all you nay sayers …
How can you be so blind as to not see the writing on the wall of what's going on in this country? How the liberals in government want nothing more than to control every aspect of our lives –
There has been a concerted (purposeful) effort to destroy this country and the system that governs us. I'm not sure why, but the whole sequence of events is, without a doubt, being planned by power seeking liberals. I fully believe that the current economic crunch is government induced to force people into government dependency through the social programs that our (yours and mine) tax dollars pay for.
If things keep up, the death of America as we know it is a sure thing, and it coming fasatrer than you might think.


Name
Comment posted January 29, 2010 @ 7:36 pm

Do you even know what the word “Progressive” connotes in American politics? You are the type of blind, complacent citizen that will only be able to say 'oops' I guess it was true after history has shown that the great experiment, our precious experiment (America) has been destroyed by the blind and the complacent. Study history.
Rob


petekote
Comment posted February 4, 2010 @ 1:07 pm

Kitty Werthmann is absolutely correct in everything she has written.I am an 88 year old man and a former pilot in WWII.I am a registered Republican and earlier in life I was an elected Councilman in our town in N.Y. state and also chairman of the airport commission, appointed by a Democrat Mayor in Jamestown, N.Y.You might be surprised to find out that I consider Ronald Reagan, a Republican and Harry Truman a Democrat the two greatest presidents in my lifetime.Harry Truman stopped the labor unions when they were going to kill our economy by creating a huge Railroad strike. He also had the guts to drop the “bomb” against the Japenese who I was in the air fighting daily at the time.We don't have politicians anymore that have the guts to drop a bomb on Iran and save the world anymore.We all know the good things Ronald Reagan did including getting the Berlin wall torn down.We don't have any more Ronald Reagans anymore except maybe Scott Brown.Let me be clear, I am not a brainwashed uncompromising Conservative. I am a moderate conservative that believes in all the freedoms we had when I went to war in 1942.My fondest memories are some of the teachers I had in grade school who led us in hymns and prayer prior to classes every morning.I was brought up in a Catholic neighborhood when my parents were Orthodox Christians but sent my sister and I to the Presbyterian church because there was no Orthodox church in town at that time.We loved our Catholic neighbors and often attended their church.I have two great grandchildren who attend Catholic school and I am happy that they are still getting prayer in school unlike children in public school.One of my favorite grand daughters, a Methodist, asked me before she married, if it was alright for her to marry her fiance who was Catholic and I told her that becaused they loved each other so much it was the greatest thing they would do.My new son in law is one of the finest young men I have ever known. If someone asked me who the best prospects would be to defeat President O'Bama before he completely destroys our country and our freedoms I would say it would be Scott Brown for President and Senator Bachmann for vice president.An unbeatable team. Let's not let some of the others who have no chance of winning get the nomination.On the subject of gays.Why are we not telling people why being gay is wrong. I can speak from experiance.The worst thing about gays is that in most cases they try to offer their form of sex to unsuspecting hetersexuals.I had it happen to me but my Christian background was strong enough to avoid being destroyed by one of them.Pres. O'Bama has no clue as to how many lives have been destroyed by their culture. All he wants is their vote and the votes of anyone, no matter how Un -Christian like or Un -American they are.I could go on and on but I must close by saying, keep up the good work and keep fighting for our 1942 way of life and freedoms. God Bless all of you and all Patriotic Americans.


berdiesanchez
Comment posted February 10, 2010 @ 2:22 pm

Waht can we do to help? Americans are asleep, I have known this was coming for several years and have told many that this country is due for a revolution, but waht I meant is that it is time for the Christians to quit turning the other cheek, and fight back for what is rightfully ours, and why so many of our young people have died for us to have. What can we do? I am in Denver, and am angry that Most have ignored all of this when it is in their faces! William Penn said, 'those who are not governed by God shall be rules by tyrants'. will we live our lives on our knees or die standing?


Steven C. Bennet
Comment posted February 27, 2010 @ 11:22 pm

Harry Truman was last good President in my life time the rest have all been Crooks!!!!


ginajohnstun
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 5:09 am

I was sent the letter by Kitty Werthmann, about Austria, 1938. I was deeply touched, and desire to help. What can I do??? I'm 67, and have time to help.
I have been concerned for a long time, and not known what I can do to help. It is
not enough to KNOW….we must DO….we must FIGHT….we must be ORGANIZED….and let others KNOW so sign me up for everything.


ginajohnstun
Comment posted March 3, 2010 @ 10:09 am

I was sent the letter by Kitty Werthmann, about Austria, 1938. I was deeply touched, and desire to help. What can I do??? I'm 67, and have time to help.
I have been concerned for a long time, and not known what I can do to help. It is
not enough to KNOW….we must DO….we must FIGHT….we must be ORGANIZED….and let others KNOW so sign me up for everything.


dauphine naliboff
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 12:42 pm

kitty, you are full of it. i pisses me off that a person once again excuses the behavior of her people not to mention that you compare nazi,s to problems in the usa which made a great mistake to let you in to start with. do not give me this, we did not know. you did know and went willingly to hitler. i live in east holland and pass signs to one of the camps every day, another 15 camps (ems) within 30km. you helped the germans. apologize to the world. do not try to sweep up america with your sad stories. it does not work this time. this from an american in the netherlands.


dauphine naliboff
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 12:48 pm

gina, do not be touched. not by an austrian where all went willingly to hitler to get better. when it did not work and they lost they let many into the usa. a great mistake. our country the usa is not going to hell but through a bad time. once the 'bakken'the largest oilfind ever will get going the usa will be the richest country again and you can be all happy. but please spare me sentiment and excuses for nazi followers.


dauphine naliboff
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 12:58 pm

kitty werthman is a great opportunist, first in austria, later in the usa. ronald reagan a great president, the man had alzheimer????
and obama not taking care of the usa, he is the best representative of the unites states ever. quit bitching. go with the flow and see what he will accomplish if you types give him a chance. healthcare is good for all of you dumb shits. you are a real conservative. people start making up your own minds. you need housing, food and healthcare. you have blacks and mexicans, deal with it. and christians, please all they ever did was start wars. an agnostic from the netherlands


dauphine naliboff
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 1:00 pm

a liberal is a person who thinks of more than the bible and how to screw the other party. grow up. work together.


dauphine naliboff
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 1:05 pm

oh thank god one thinking american. it is so sad most will not even understand what you mean. from a u.s. liberal living in the nehterlands. always torn between two worlds.


dauphine naliboff
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 1:09 pm

fruitcakes are people who want guns while living in the middle of chicago. i moved to another country because you had few things clean and decent. and understand my vote will wipe yours out. even while living in the netherlands.


dauphine naliboff
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 1:28 pm

how to god is it possible to get this many idiots on one site


gd7219
Comment posted March 8, 2010 @ 6:29 pm

Yes. Very good post.


ginajohnstun
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 9:05 am

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT MY E-MAIL, but I didn't email you.
And, you obviously don't know your history. Don't email again.


dauphine naliboff
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 12:45 pm

to gina johnstun.
it seems the austrians and germans twist and forget. and now you try to sweep up americans like good old hitler tried to with 'his'people in his days.
did you forget this did not work. shalom


heatherrichardson
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:53 pm

Reductio ad Hitlerum. Ad Nauseam.

Hitler liked classical painting and movies. So surely we should ban movie theatres and art history books!


BigGayAl
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

THE REAL GAY AGENDA!

6:00 am Gym
8:00 am Breakfast (oatmeal and egg whites)
10:00 am Shopping
12:00 PM Brunch

2:00 PM
1) Assume complete control of the U.S. Federal, State and Local Governments as well as all other national governments, 2) Recruit all straight youngsters to our debauched lifestyle, 3) Destroy all healthy heterosexual marriages, 4) Replace all school counselors in grades K-12 with agents of Colombian and Jamaican drug cartels, 5) Establish planetary chain of “homo breeding gulags” where over-medicated imprisoned straight women are turned into artificially impregnated baby factories to produce prepubescent love slaves for our devotedly pederastic gay leadership, 6) bulldoze all houses of worship, and 7) Secure total control of the INTERNET and all mass media for the exclusive use of child pornographers.

2:30 PM Get forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from stress of world conquest
4:00 PM Cocktails
6:00 PM Light Dinner (soup, salad, with Chardonnay)
8:00 PM Theater
11:00 PM Bed (du jour)?


MissAnnThrope
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:27 pm

Why, O Lord, can't Al-Quaeda manage to bomb one of these collections of nutjobs?

And why, O Lord, do you let the nutjobs breed so much?


zaru-chan
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:29 pm

This woman's remarks cheapen the deaths of 17 million people at the hands of the Nazis.

How DARE she, and why hasn't anyone called her on it?

Can we send her back, perhaps to do work somewhere where REAL EVIL took place?


Alice Eldrich
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 5:35 pm

Were any of the speakers wearing a poly-wool or wool-linen or silk-wool blend? Cause if so, they should be put to death. The Bible says so, and this IS a Christian nation, right?

Did the convention sell only kosher foods? Because if not….

Well, you know.

And Phyllis needs to shut up. St. Paul was very clear that women should not speak in public and put themselves above men. Where IS her husband?

Hey, the Bible backs me up on all this. You all obviously aren't devout enough.


Alice Eldrich
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 6:39 pm

They breed like rats. Scary, isn't it?


BigGayAl
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 6:42 pm

Oh for God's sake; you probably checked “Subscribe to all comments by email” when you posted the original comment. Dauphine replied and you got notified. That's ALL.

And, no, I'm not stalking you through the scary InterWeb either.


zaru-chan
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

It's ok, RedGraham. You are safe. Gay people do not want to have sex with you or your imaginary demons.


ginajohnstun
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 10:57 pm

IF YOU'RE NOT STALKING, THEN DON'T REPLY. JUST GO AWAY.


BigGayAl
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 10:57 pm

THE REAL GAY AGENDA!

6:00 am Gym
8:00 am Breakfast (oatmeal and egg whites)
10:00 am Shopping
12:00 PM Brunch

2:00 PM
1) Assume complete control of the U.S. Federal, State and Local Governments as well as all other national governments, 2) Recruit all straight youngsters to our debauched lifestyle, 3) Destroy all healthy heterosexual marriages, 4) Replace all school counselors in grades K-12 with agents of Colombian and Jamaican drug cartels, 5) Establish planetary chain of “homo breeding gulags” where over-medicated imprisoned straight women are turned into artificially impregnated baby factories to produce prepubescent love slaves for our devotedly pederastic gay leadership, 6) bulldoze all houses of worship, and 7) Secure total control of the INTERNET and all mass media for the exclusive use of child pornographers.

2:30 PM Get forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from stress of world conquest
4:00 PM Cocktails
6:00 PM Light Dinner (soup, salad, with Chardonnay)
8:00 PM Theater
11:00 PM Bed (du jour)?


MissAnnThrope
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 11:27 pm

Why, O Lord, can't Al-Quaeda manage to bomb one of these collections of nutjobs?

And why, O Lord, do you let the nutjobs breed so much?


zaru-chan
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 11:29 pm

This woman's remarks cheapen the deaths of 17 million people at the hands of the Nazis.

How DARE she, and why hasn't anyone called her on it?

Can we send her back, perhaps to do work somewhere where REAL EVIL took place?


Alice Eldrich
Comment posted March 10, 2010 @ 11:35 pm

Were any of the speakers wearing a poly-wool or wool-linen or silk-wool blend? Cause if so, they should be put to death. The Bible says so, and this IS a Christian nation, right?

Did the convention sell only kosher foods? Because if not….

Well, you know.

And Phyllis needs to shut up. St. Paul was very clear that women should not speak in public and put themselves above men. Where IS her husband?

Hey, the Bible backs me up on all this. You all obviously aren't devout enough.


Alice Eldrich
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 12:39 am

They breed like rats. Scary, isn't it?


BigGayAl
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 12:42 am

Oh for God's sake; you probably checked “Subscribe to all comments by email” when you posted the original comment. Dauphine replied and you got notified. That's ALL.

And, no, I'm not stalking you through the scary InterWeb either.


zaru-chan
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 12:44 am

It's ok, RedGraham. You are safe. Gay people do not want to have sex with you or your imaginary demons.


ginajohnstun
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 4:57 am

IF YOU'RE NOT STALKING, THEN DON'T REPLY. JUST GO AWAY.


Robin Mattocks
Comment posted March 11, 2010 @ 5:42 pm

Ms. Werthmann's message is dangerous and she and her friends obviously have a biased agenda. She expects the “informed” populace to accept her sad personal story and compares it to what she believes is happening in the U.S. without any solid data or factual evidence to back it up. How ridiculous! “Informed individuals will see it for what it is – sensationalistic paranoia.

The U.S. gov't is not Austria in the '30's; not even close. We have checks and balances, a constitution and a gov't structure that cannot easily be dismantled in 4 or even 8 years! These scare tactics of comparison to Nazis in Austria come from self-righteous religious zealots of the ultraconservative right wing. They are simply delusional, “uninformed,” typically uneducated, biased, literal bible-thumpers using Ms. Werthmann to further their goals. The politicians and greedy financial backers who are using Ms. Werthmann, Schlafly and their cohorts already have plenty of money and are in this to protect their financial and power kingdoms.

I would chose socialism over their anti-gay, anti-choice, pro-religion (using it for intolerance and hate) world.


Tom Kando
Comment posted March 13, 2010 @ 3:43 am

So they held a “How to take back America”Conference. Kitty Werthmann, who had immigrated from Austria long ago, lectured the gullible little Midwestern ladies in tennis shoes, that the Obama administration reminded her of the rise of Hitler in her native lands of Austria and Germany. One of the conference’s keynote themes was that the Obama administration was causing America to be taken over by “Fascism and the Gay Agenda.”

This is incoherent! These folks have things upside down, or what? They either know nothing about history and politics, or they feel that the American public is so ignorant that this stuff will fly.

In fact, they themselves have much more in common with classical European Fascism than anyone since Father Coughlin in the 1930s and Joe McCarthy in the 1950s. Anyone who has taken Poli Sci 101 knows that:

1. Fascism is radicalism from the RIGHT.
2. Fascism is an expression of middle-class discontent.
3. Marxism and other forms of socialism are radical movements from the LEFT.
4. They are expressions of lower-class and working-class discontent.
5. Hitler was brought to power by the Fascism.
6. The Russian Revolution was Marxist.
7. Fascism and Marxism are mortal enemies.
8. Fascism is nationalist: The Nazis were vehemently opposed to internationalism. They quit the League of Nations.
9. Marxism and Socialism are internationalist.
10. Fascists believed that God was on their side.
11. Marxism is atheist.
12. Fascism is militaristic.
13. Fascism is racist.
14. Fascism is homophobic. Before his onslaught on Jews, Hitler exterminated the gays.
15. Fascism is for traditional family values.
16. Fascism is cosy with the conglomerates. Remember Krupp, Siemens, IG Farben and all the other corporations that supported the Nazis?

I personally loathe Marxism, and I see great value in the traditional family format. But my God, stop confusing everything! You may accuse Obama of being a social democrat, but a fascist? This reminds me of when Joe McCarthy called Eisenhower a communist. This is not only lunacy, but it’s the pot calling the kettle black, to wit:

If fascism comes to America, it’ll be precisely these folks who bring it on: Look at the list above: They are on the right; they are overwhelmingly white middle-class; they are nationalists; they are deeply religious; they support military intervention; they hate the country’s first black President; they are anti-gay; they are pro-life and pro traditional family values; they support the corporations. The Tea Party and the “Take-America-Back” folks are a replica of the angry white middle-class which brought Hitler to power in Austria and Germany.

Tom Kando, PhD
Professor of Sociology, emeritus
Born of a Jewish mother in Hungary at the start of World War Two


dauphine
Comment posted March 13, 2010 @ 11:34 am

this reteric is by far the most dangerous i ever heard coming out of america. and sure , talk to midwestern ladies where you cannot find a larger group of people who are not up to par on history. scare them, scare the people of america. i on the other hand do not scare easily.
people who dislike gays scare me. people who still do not know that a transexual is not a pedophile scare me. people not supporting a choosen president do not understand a democratic system scare me.
why is it so many of you are ''foreigners''. your old country not good enough now go to work on america. and the good christians who participate. is that a contradiction in terms.
ladies go knit. you are not up to the task of a decent conversation. your thinking is dangerous to normal people.
no i am not gay. i do vote. and please somebody try to stop these warmongers. people behaving like this group are a danger to us all. just think, most can also vote. i would not be surprised if their main hobby would be to collect kalisnikovs.


Working Mother of 5, Nana of 6
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 1:30 pm

Please, please, please .. stop using the euphemism THEY coined, “Right-to-Life,” since they are anything but that. They a Pro Guns, Pro War and Pro Death Penalty … and they are Anti-Choice. Please don't help them mis-define who they really are.


NotAStupidWoman
Comment posted March 14, 2010 @ 9:10 pm

How can anyone say whether this is true or not. Were you there? No you just have to deny so you can continue to support a man that is personally trashing America. OPEN YOUR EYES! Yes there is possibly BS rhetoric out there, but in it will always be grains of truth. I am an intelligent WOMAN and know when I hear the truth. I know that history books skew the truth and I am more likely to believe the word of someone who has lived it then the words the GOVERNMENT wrote.

You all seem to trust in your government a bit too much. You're blinded by Obama's sparkly smile and wonderful speeches. Take a step back with and look with fresh unbiased eyes.


Priscilla Nash
Comment posted March 15, 2010 @ 12:29 am

I think that president Bush “got us there”, but President Obama Has only made it worse! FAR WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!_______________!!!


Rene
Comment posted March 15, 2010 @ 9:43 pm

History is repeating it self, don't be fools. Right of life to the INNOCENT. Death penalty is appropriate for the NON INNOCENT who are not sorry for murdering the INNOCENT. What is so hard to understand about that? Abortion is genocide of the innocent unborn, partial birth abortion shoving an object in the brain of a baby emerging into the world is barbaric and murder. Practice of uncivilized society. We have it backwards in this country, compassion for murderers and no compassion for the innocent unborn. Perhaps our decline into totalitarianism will be our punishment for that?

I've talked to many older people who lived under communism. They don't understand why Americans are allowing the U.S. to slowly become a totalitarian society….going down the same doomed path as Germany and Austria did. It is a slow and insidious process. Wake up!!

Birds of a feather flock together…look at Obama's associations and that will tell you who he really is. He is a fraud, great orator, smooth talker, brilliant with the words, our savior, with one goal in mind to CHANGE America to what he thinks it should be. And just what is that??

Learn your history, it was not the angry white Christians with guns who brought Hitler to power. It was the average struggling citizen mesmerized by a charismatic speaker who said government will cure your woes during a troubled economic time. SOUND FAMILIAR. Government will give you a job, government will provide food, government will educate you. Slowly the government took complete control of their lives…and Hitler did just that. READ YOUR HISTORY instead of being spoon fed propaganda by the U.S. government media and education system.

It's too late, we're on our way. The America we knew, the culture of feisty independence, the entrepreneurial spirit, the individualist, the flowing freedom of creativity, the ability to rise from one class to another…will be replaced by the government telling us what is good for us. It will be wonderful because they will give us everything we need… We will all be equally poor and controlled by the government soon. The reason those desperate people in the Mayflower came to America was for religious freedom suffering from too much government control. The many that followed prided themselves in being able to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and rise up to become something they could never be from the countries they fled. Tea Party in America was a rebellion against the mother country, England. Why?? too much taxation, fees and government control, not racism or religious fanaticism, they had enough and rebelled. READ YOUR HISTORY!!

Well if you can't beat them, join them. I am going to join the progressive leftist party so I can become part of the ruling elite destined to control this country.


Rene
Comment posted March 15, 2010 @ 10:04 pm

Oh you are a typical product of the university education. One of those spoon fed zombies spouting Hate (a word you your kind loves to use) and blaming the “Right Wing extremists” (you so affectionately use), traditional family values, Christians, anti abortionists, people who legally possess guns (God forbid they should protect their family from a home invasion) are the real dangers. So typical…PhD = can't think for yourself anymore.

Yes Marxism and Facism are two extremes. The family values established by Hitler are not the American traditional family values you are so frightened by. Who wants to kill gays, I don't. My brother is gay, we have the best parties and we are still traditional.


ruthhuntley
Comment posted March 16, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

All of the above.


Jo
Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 2:29 am

Well TWI writer, I am pleasantly surprised that your article was fairly accurate and informative, as journalism should be. However, you misspelled the word Isaiah, which tells me you probably would do well to read the book–in fact the whole Word of God.


Jo
Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 2:44 am

Tom, with Hungarian heritage, I would have thought you surely had read world renowned Hungarian rconcert pianist Balint Vazsonyi's book “America's 30 Years War”, written in 1998 (so that would put the “War” from about 1968, wouldn't it?).
He describes (like Ms Kitty) Hitler's Fascism/Socialism and Communism as “fraternal twins”. On page 139 he writes, “as we look at the parallel practices of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, readers will recognize their similarities with trends in today's America. I'm sure Mr. Vazsonyi was much older than you when he wrote this book (he was a refuge from Hungary in the 1950's). I teach English in Hungary so I know how the old people are concerned that America, a Nation (and President Reagan) they love. Please read his book with an open mind, Tom.


Jo
Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 2:49 am

Poor, poor Alice. If only you would follow the Bible as a wonderful, rich source of inspiration, hope and salvation for your soul rather than a weapon to hit people over the head with. Poor Alice, you must be so depressed.


Jo
Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 2:50 am

Well, Miss Ann, I assume you're talking about the Lefties, huh?


Jo
Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 2:57 am

Gina, I'm with you! We are uniting by the thousands all over this once Great Land! It's obvious that calling and writing our liberal Congressmen doesn't work. They could care less what we, the majority in this country think. Have you wondered how David Weigel, who wrote this article about the Eagle Forum gathering in St. Louis, got in? Perhaps they were showing him that true Americans still believe in freedom of speech…”We've just begun to fight”, to quote one of our founding Patriots!


Jo
Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 3:01 am

Berdie, it's so refreshing to discover more people who can SEE and who have common sense. People have been asleep, but we're no longer asleep at the wheel! We're on the Move! (and it's not for MoveOn.org!) Keep the Faith, Berdie, we're going to take back America in Nov. 2010!


Jo
Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 3:06 am

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Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 3:10 am

Dauphine, I think it was a good idea for you to move to the Netherlands, one of the most immoral societies in the world, but I DO feel sorry for you. You sound like a very sad, mean-spirited person–but all the agnostics and atheists I've ever known are like that—because there is no real Hope in them. I hope and pray you'll fill your emptiness with Something Good!


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Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 4:07 pm

We are to blame! We were asleep for too long, and yes, come November we wll take our Republic back. Last night Obama said in Iowa, 'if they want a fight, we'll give them one'. Who was he talking about, the Republicans? I have news for him, WE THE PEOPLE are the ones he is going to have to fight, not the others in 'OUR HOUSE'. He forgot that it is our house, not the Dems or the Rep. IT'S OURS AND WE ARE TAKING IT BACK and giving meaning to the words, 'One nation under God', meaning once again! When the far left said last year that they wanted to do away with all the Christian Crosses, I said, 'Fine, let's start with Arlington Cemetary and knock those down first!'
As for the 'Gays', I refuse to allow them to change my definition of the word 'gay'. I am gay, full of laughter, positive attitude, that makes me gay. If they are not ashamed of what they are then they should call themeselves what they are; homosexuals and lesbians.

I will not allow anyone to put new words in my mouth, just as I will not allow those who were elected to be 'servants' to the people, to follow their own agenda without consulting ME, the tax payer! They work for me, for us, and it's time they were reminded of that fact. Come Nov. Obama and all the others are going to find out that the sleeping giant has awakened! WE THE PEOPLE! Enough is enough.
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berdiesanchez
Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 4:16 pm

Alice, you obviously had your Bible interpreted by an ignorant greater than you. At no time did God say women should be below men. Are you Muslim? Sounds like it. Jesus surrounded himself with women, you know why? I didn't think so. Study the female Prophets in the Old Testament and learn! then speak.


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Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 4:23 pm

Damn straight Jo! Come November we will 'muck out the stalls' in the white house, the governor's mansions (Which we pay for) and any other vermin who have decided that we 'THE PEOPLE' are too stupid to make our own decisions. I also want to see April 15th be a day when the people say, 'I know that paying taxes is a choice, not a mandate'. It is and most people don't know! ENOUGH!


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Comment posted March 26, 2010 @ 4:28 pm

Good for you, notastupidwoman! Obama charmed everyone it seems but me! I still demand to see his birth certificate, just like we would have to. He is not an American, he's transplant and is trying very hard to make the history books as the first black man in the WHITE house. I say let's help put him in the History books as the first Black President to get IMPEACHED!


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Holy smoke!!!! There are extreme right wingers and there are people that are just plain NUTS!!!!! I can at least understand some of what the the right wing conservative's concerns are regarding government and finance, but…….!
This just goes to show how narrow minded people can be! Abortion/black genoside???? Now they have just gone to far.


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I finally found a comment that made sense! This is almost like a poorly written fictional story. It is so hard for me to wrap my brain around the fact that these people are out there spouting this gargage to anyone that will listen. I have an employee that told me I need to read this. She agrees with this group and is fearful that Obama is the devil. All the signs are there according to her. It is so hard for me to sign a paycheck to someone every week that is so ignorant but I can not base her job performance on her political or religious views.


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Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 7:05 pm

simply put fascism is socialism (NAZI=national socialist party) and in economics 101 you learn that communism is just extreme socialism. You muddy the waters. One thing else that I learned in college, sociology classes were filled with leftists and those malcontents that thought utopia can actually be created if only the right people (dictators in disguise) were in charge.


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Comment posted April 1, 2010 @ 7:26 pm

I pray to the Lord that when it comes time to be judged that groups like the ones who want to “Take back America” are judged for what they really are. Christ preached from love and inclusion. Groups like this want to divide by fear, not unite through understanding. Christ was not an “American” but a Jew. He gave his life so that we may ALL be saved by his grace.

The devils greatest trick is our doubting he exists. I feel the same goes for this type of Christian. They wrap themselves in what they try to make us believe is the Word but they ARE the sheep in wolves clothing. If you want to walk in the light then love your brother. Have compassion for those in need. Stoop to lift someone who has fallen. Stop worrying about trading your money and protecting your wealth. It was never yours to begin with.
I would pose this question to Werthman and her ilk. If Christ returned today would he be more in line with the capitistic Right or do you think he would look at socialism as a more compassionate system.
I am not saying we should be a socailist nation but things like making sure your fellow man has a basic need such as healthcare should be something we are all striving for not just one party.
Intead of traveling and staying at a nice hotel spending your money listening to this women, what if they would have taken all of those resources and fed kids who are starving or create scholarships to help kids into college?
Why is it so hard to understand?
Why is it all so beyond


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Comment posted April 5, 2010 @ 8:56 pm

I cannot believe this women Ms. Werthmann has any sensable followers. The outrageous comparison of Obama to Hitler is offensive and nieve. Our President the father of two young ladies and a wife that is rooted in our communities was compared to a man that took women out of their homes rearing children and put on the front line to be massacred at war before a man. She spoke loosely on prayer being taken out of schools that was in effect long before Pres. Obama was in office. And she hit his act to secure our economy and the citizens with health care not only to jolt our community but to make sure all were insured. This man came into office during a recession and had a mess to clean up and has done a remarkable job trying to get our economy stable. She slandered pres Obama and his work. If you ask me if she is so discontent with the country and the leader of our country that accepted her and gave her a chance to freedom and to be taken out of an awful way of living she should return to her native land (Austria). That is the problem with people today they forget where they came from and slander the hard work of our country and our countries leader.


Renee
Comment posted April 5, 2010 @ 9:04 pm

Freedom of speech in america is loosely taken advantage of. Ms Werthmann was not born a U.S. citizen she was accepted into our country; running from the unhumane treatment of men/women in Austria. I feel for anyone that had to live thru Hitler's leadership. That was a blinded decision/ vote and a monster was elected to be their leader; however Ms. Werthmann is speaking from a scarred heart and opinion of righteous treatment. Obama is of no comparison to Hitler and anyone who takes this womens bios word as a solid form of education is crazy themselves. When we start allowing foreigners to come into our homes via conferences, books, articles, email, television, or by phone and poison us against a leader that has made it is his life to bring our eceonomy up needs to look into their lives just a little bit harder. I believe this women is nieve, bios, and prejudice not to metion scorned.


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Comment posted April 9, 2010 @ 2:27 pm

Chris, your 'rights' are bestowed from the Creator, not government. Show me language in the Constitution that gives you the right to reach into your neighbor's pocket, confiscate his/her money in order to maintain your health. Health care is not a right. Abortion is premeditated murder which violates all of the Decalogue (Jas. 2:10 )


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Comment posted April 9, 2010 @ 6:02 pm

Alice, please don't get careless with the Bible. The theocracy you describe indeed, it existed, therefore you're quoting accurately. Lest we forget, that theocracy met it's anti type at Calvary. That's where the ultimate price was paid. God bless you, Gene S.


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Killl Marxist Jewish trash and their surrogates in Jew York and filthy Mexifornia who have helped to destroy the USA. MIMIC THE FACIST MUSLIMS when you see these marxist pigs strike fear in their bones they are gutless to the core. The only ones with bravado are the niggggers who would rape the whores and faggggots who happened to come to their neighborhood the mexican gang bangers they love and of course the facist muslims their new allies. You can beat the crap out of these defenseless pigs especially the baby butchers. They will love you for it ! Anyone want to meet me for tea???


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Comment posted June 13, 2010 @ 1:35 am

Wow…all these comments amaze me. I thought Democrats were all for freedom of speech and expression, tolerance, debate, and a free exchange of ideas. I can't believe the spite and vitriol in these comments. You speak with such vehemence about an 84 year old woman who is simply recounting her (extremely traumatic) life experiences and interpreting current events according to those experiences. She lived through a terrible time and she's concerned, or terrified, about what she sees here. It's her right and her perogative to speak up. I can't believe Democrats are promoting censorship! She has an agenda? She's dangerous?? She should be sent back to her own country??? I hope people consider me dangerous at 84! Talk about paranoid conspiracy theorists. Y'all have no room to rail at right wingers, that's for sure.


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Comment posted June 23, 2010 @ 12:42 pm

I realize it has been two months and no one may be reading this blog but I would like to say that I have this past year stated a few times that now I know how the Jews were lead to their slaughter. This woman is trying to give you the benefit of her experience to inform everyone of how Hitler and his regime started. It began by Hitler doing all wonderful things for the people. The CHANGE did not happen over night – it was gradual. By the time the people realized exactly what it all meant, it was too late to undo.

As for foreigners coming into this country – what is your heritage. I am Blackfoot Indian and Scottish on my Dad's side. Unless you are 100% Indian, your heritage is foreigh.


DLynn1210
Comment posted June 23, 2010 @ 12:48 pm

I so agree with you. Freedom of speech is quietly being stripped from us. The American people need to realize that it is not a Democrat or Republican thing – it is this administration's thing. I don't remember a President in history – Dem or Rep that censored what people say – what reporter's can ask. Sad that our current general in Afghanistan may be fired because of what his people said about the President rather than the way he is handling the job in Afghanistan. No one speaks ill of the President without being punished.


DLynn1210
Comment posted June 23, 2010 @ 12:54 pm

Our President – the father of two children and a wife that is rooted in our communities has made it a point while visiting other countries to apologize for our country – the one that many have worked hard to nourish for generations. As for his wife, she is the same woman that when her husband was elected said for the first time ever she was proud of her country – and for those who say she didn't mean it – she is an attorney who is educated and trained in use of words. Wake up Americans while we can still undo most of the damage this administration has done. I don't care if it is a Rep, Independent, or Dem that takes over – Obama has to go. He was a community organizer (under the Daily regime) and a short time Senator. President of the U.S. is not a job that allows on the job training – especially by someone who won't listen to the people he is representing.


DLynn1210
Comment posted June 23, 2010 @ 12:58 pm

I am a Christian and understand where you are coming from; however, you miss one important point here. It is not God telling us who to take care of and who to support – it is the Government. My husband and I are not rich but we are okay financially. We sent two barrels of food and clothing yesterday to families in dire need. We just returned last week from a mission trip to Philadelphia inner city. This is a small example of our lives but we wait for God to direct us as to who we help – not Obama.


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one
Comment posted July 3, 2010 @ 12:08 am

Why is it so hard to understand? Right before that question you tried to dictate how these people should spend “their” money. How hard can it be for you to understand that is not your place or the governments place. You have no idea how these attendees use their money when it comes to charitable causes. While you are so busy telling others what they should do with their money, why don't you fill us in on what you are doing to contribute to needy causes? I would hazard to guess that you don't need most of what you have, even if you are very poor. I have not run into ONE person that supports healthcare for everyone, that is providing it for his “fellow man” & I assume that includes you. If you believe what you are saying, how are you demonstrating it? You don't need the govenment to intervene in your heart for charity, just give. If you are a Christian, you are a very confused one.


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What is the Composition of the Senate and House of Representatives as of August 2010?

Stephen Roney. (Scotland).


Stephen Roney
Comment posted August 5, 2010 @ 9:56 am

What is the Composition of the Senate and House of Representatives as of August 2010?

Stephen Roney. (Scotland).


Stephen Roney
Comment posted August 5, 2010 @ 9:42 am

In response to Tom,

The Nazi's and the Communists were so Radicalised in Weimar Germany that some of their policies were similar, i.e

.1. Nationalisation of the Banks, (to stop Foreign Investment/Ownership by Non Germans – Espoused by the Nazi's, and to Collectivise State Control of the State, both endorsed by the Communists and the Nazi's).

2. Nationalisation of the Land: (Endorsed by both Nazi's and Communists).

3. The Destruction of Religion: (Again, endorsed by both Nazi's and Communists).

4. The Destruction of Democracy: (As above).

5. The Sentimentation of both Family, Home and Youth.

6. The Idolization of a single party, a single leader, and simplified slogans.

7. The Politicization and Militarisation of the Youth.

8. 5 year programmes and other State Interference/Ownership of Industry and Land.

9. Total Destruction of Freedom of Press/Religion/Politics/Free Association/Opinion ect.

Do you still think they are that different?

Stephen Roney.


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It is called INSUBORDINATION to be a military officer and criticize your superiors. This has been true forever.


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Comment posted November 1, 2010 @ 4:26 pm

2010 USA Culture And Midterm Elections

American Politics on the Eve of the Midterm Elections

http://www.brookings.edu/US.aspx

May 18th, 2010

Greed Cancer Cells Also Follow Laws Of Evolution

Failing Treatment Of Economic Collapse Simplified

http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/300/122.page#5660

http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/300/122.page#5703

A. “Survival of the fittest: even cancer cells follow the laws of evolution”

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/foas-sot080108.php

Of course. Expected. The cancered cells are proliferating. The energy constraint of their genome is enhanced. Their genes effect ingestion of the energy of their host cells in order to survive. They proliferate, evolve. Yes, theirs is a shorter survival time, postponement time of loss of energy, shorter than the survival time of uncancered organism’s cells. But, like and even more than most humans, they instinctively act per the encountered circumstances. This is evolution. This is natural evolution.

B. Life genetics evolves via culture. In Human Culture one component is unique, it bypasses genetics.

Culture is a ubiquitous biological entity

http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/98.page#266

There is natural ubiquitous evolution and there is human cultural evolution. Humans evolved language, and language became a biological entity.

Whereas nature’s evolutionary rungs are gains or losses of energy constraints for few “fittest” at ongoing circumstantial constellations, including modifications of genetic expressions, some Western cultured groups assess and extend the prospective temporal limits of evolution beyond the immediate scenario. They manipulate the circumstantial constellations, postponing or modifying natural evolution, to gain enhanced energy constraints for a community much larger than of “few fittest”. This is what all levels of politics are about. Local, national and international.

C. Greed cancer cells also follow laws of evolution, with money being humans’ cultural energy.

Not only physiological cancer cells follow the laws of evolution. Human greed cancer cells follow them, too. Evolution is evolution. EOTOE.

The total amount of cosmic energy is constant even if mass diminishes with the ongoing expansion. Hence the universal melee of mass specimens to ingest each other’s energy to survive. Ingesting energy translates into ingesting mass, which is the other face of energy. Humans artificed money to stand for energy. The ideal ethical goal per the 20th-21st centuries technology culture is amassing money, the human energy artifact. Humanity’s present technology culture is founded on the brilliant idea that whereas in nature it takes work, converting of mass, to ‘amass’ energy, humans will – instead – print money, print it and base on it a make-belief culture, founded on make-belief energy. Printing money, posits the brilliant thinking, enables us to bypass nature, to spend more energy than we actually amassed.

D. So again and again, the economic collapse will not be repaired by mechanisms but by basic cultural modifications

The greed cancer cure requires a prolonged resolute determined change of culture, of values and ethics and goals, of consumption and living modes and patterns.

Dov Henis

(Comments From The 22nd Century)

03.2010 Updated Life Manifest

http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/54.page#5065

Cosmic Evolution Simplified

http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/240/122.page#4427

PS:

Quote

“Does the comment by Dov Henis make sense to anyone?”

Jared

end quote

Yes. It does. Plain and simple.

The greed cancer evolved and persists biologically. “Human nature”. Its cure requires modifying of a natural process, i.e. cultural modification. Trials of various mechanisms within the present 20th-21st centuries Technology Culture will not cure anything. They will ONLY buy VERY LITTLE time and will inevitably lead to a greater collapse…

Plain and simple, but who is prepared to indulge in a prolonged resolute determined change of culture, of values and ethics and goals, of consumption and living modes and patterns. It is much easier to ignore all continuous far and near surrounding evolutions, to play hopeful make-belief with mechanisms, to cling against reason to the old familiar deceitful Good Old American Culture.

Dov Henis

(Comments From The 22nd Century)

http://www.the-scientist.com/community/user/profile/1655.page


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