HuffPo Cofounder Takes On ‘Democrat-Media Complex’

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 6:00 am
Andrew Breitbart (YouTube)

Andrew Breitbart (YouTube)

On September 10, Andrew Breitbart launched his new site, BigGovernment, with hidden-video camera footage of two young conservative activists who’d gotten Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) employees to advise them on hiding prostitution profits from the IRS. Within hours, Breitbart was doing interviews with reporters who wanted to know how, exactly, the story had come about, and why Big Government was releasing the videos and the identity of the muckrackers — 25-year-old James O’Keefe III and 20-year-old Hannah Giles — so slowly.

“It was strategized,” Breitbart told TWI this week, so “that they would be deprived of the type of information that a defense attorney would try to gather in order to create a defense.”

Image by: Matt Mahurin

Image by: Matt Mahurin

Who were “these people?” They were not just the leaders or members of ACORN itself. “They” were the Democratic Party, the White House, the progressive Center for American Progress and its president John Podesta. The “Democrat-media complex” is Breitbart’s name for the whole apparatus. “We deprived them of information,” Breitbart explained, “so that they couldn’t come up with a vile, kill-the-messenger attack with the media doing the groundwork for them.”

The success of Breitbart’s strategy was immediate, stunning, and is still ricocheting around the political world. Five days after the story broke, the U.S. Senate voted 83-7 to prevent ACORN from receiving any federal funding. Two days later, the House of Representatives did the same. Meanwhile, Breitbart was talking to more reporters, amused at how the “kill-the-messenger attack” was playing out. When one report from The Washington Post called him for a story about O’Keefe and Giles, Breitbart compared their tape to the photos of Abu Ghraib prison released in April 2004.

“She goes, ‘Wait a second! I worked on the Abu Ghraib stories,’” said Breitbart. “I go, ‘Yeah, that was one aberrant National Guard unit. And now I have five ACORN places that are all complicit in the exact same thing. And there are more!’” (The reporter, Carol Leonning told TWI that the conversation did not go this way, but that she enjoyed getting Breitbart’s take “very much.”)

Breitbart, angered by the Post’s eventual story–it seemed to intimate that O’Keefe and Giles had been motivated by ACORN’s registration of non-white voters, in a line that was corrected days later–moved right on. BigGovernment had claimed a victory that conservative journalists and activists had been seeking for years, occasionally embarrassing ACORN with a state lawsuit, but drawing no blood. It was a natural next step for Breitbart. Until a few years ago he was known mostly as the man behind the curtain of The Drudge Report and a ringleader for Hollywood’s quiet community of political conservatives. (Breitbart lives in Los Angeles and runs his web operations from an office in his basement.) With the launch of BigGovernment, he is gaining new recognition as the conservative movement’s most successful — in terms of damaging liberals — new media pioneer.

“I get accused of breaking some journalism school rules,” said Breitbart. “Well, why don’t we have the Howard Kurtz conversation on a low-rated CNN show after this? Or at a J-school of your choice? I’m willing to be accused of being a monster.”

In the planning stages of BigGovernment, Breitbart asked Mike Flynn, a longtime friend and a fixture in Washington’s libertarian and conservative circles, to recommend an editor. Both men eventually decided that the editor should be Flynn, who had recently left the libertarian Reason Foundation. With no Washington office, and with only six other employees, Flynn and Breitbart trained their eyes on possible scoops. Originally, they had planned to launch the site with a scoop from a filmmmaker named Patrick Courrielche. He had been on a conference call in which White House and National Endowment for the Arts staffers seemed to be directing artists to glorify the administration with their grants. But they rushed the launch of BigGovernment to capitalize on the ACORN tapes. Flynn, a one-time lobbyist and campaign strategist who had beaten ACORN in an Albuquerque minimum wage referendum, got to edit the story that terminated the group’s taxpayer funding.

“The voter stuff had always been the least interesting to me,” Flynn told TWI. “ACORN’s always been around, and they’ve always been a kind of Apple Dumpling gang. They’re always screwing up.”

The revelation of the ACORN story, said Flynn, was that conservative and libertarian journalism had gotten past “this frustration that whatever they do, people won’t cover it.” With video, and with the right new media strategy–with Fox News–they could get coverage after all.

“It’s not just the ACORN story,” said Flynn. “Van Jones resigned without a single column in The New York Times. They threw [the NEA's] Yosi Sargeant under the bus. The Census acted on ACORN before the Washington Post weighed in. There are actual repercussions even without the mainstream media weighing in. If I was at The New York Times, I’d be shuddering.”

Breitbart, more than Flynn, has taken fire from the “Democrat-media complex” on the ACORN story. O’Keefe and Giles have said they spent $1,300 of their own money on the story, and Breitbart has said he’ll post their receipts online.

Much of the media attention on the ACORN tapes and the ensuing scandal has focused on O’Keefe, a Rutgers University graduate who had been making pie-in-the-face video exposes of liberals for years. O’Keefe came out of a campus conservative movement which has been well-trained, well-funded, and well-connected (to other campuses and to the broader movement) by groups like the Virginia-based Leadership Institute and the Delaware-based Collegiate Network. They are far from the first activists to film similar stunts; the pro-life activist Lila Rose, another recipient of Leadership Institute aid, has filmed “stings” of Planned Parenthood. But little of this conservative muckraking has made it beyond local news or Fox News reports. In coming to Breitbart, O’Keefe and Giles found a new media ally who could package and sell their goods.

“The unorthodox roll-out was orchestrated to protect James and Hannah,” said Breitbart. “The moment that their peril ended, was when Jon Stewart reported on this, making fun of the media for missing the story. At that moment I called James and Hannah and said, “You’re mostly in the clear, and the only people left who’ll attack you will be some liberal bloggers.’”

Breitbart knows something about liberal bloggers. His pre-BigGovernment career included many months working to launch The Huffington Post. (He had been a researcher for Arianna Huffington in the early 1990s, before he joined Drudge, when both of them were still conservatives.)

“I wanted the world to see what the Left and the Los Angeles/Manhattan salons had to think about national politics,” Breitbart told TWI. “Sunlight is the best disinfectant. I thought it would be great for Arianna and I thought it would be great for the right, because it gave them source material.”

As The Huffington Post launched, Breitbart launched breitbart.com, a news aggregator with some original content. In 2007, he launched breitbart.tv, where Fred Thompson published a video poking fun at Michael Moore that preceded the former Tennessee senator’s ill-fated run for president. In 2008, Breitbart kept up the momentum, launching a sprawling conservative blog about the film industry, BigHollywood, and writing a column of the same name for The Washington Times. He saw the rise of liberal new media as a rearguard action against conservative new media, which in 2004 had pushed the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth allegations against Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and the scandal of allegedly forged documents that CBS News used in a report about President George W. Bush’s military service.

“It’s so obvious that the mainstream media needed the netroots,” said Breitbart. “It needed The Huffington Post and the Daily Kos and the Media Matters of the world to protect them from future Swift Boats and Rathergates.” The ACORN scandal, he said, was “Rathergate 2.0.”

“The left has done a very good job with Internet stuff,” said Flynn. “Josh Marshall has broken some interesting stuff at TPM. They ought to know that you don’t need a big backer to break news. This notion of this right-wing conspiracy — look, I’ve been inside what would be called the right-wing conspiracy for a long time, and there’s no planning. These people couldn’t plan a bake sale.”

On Wednesday afternoon, ACORN filed lawsuits against the filmmakers and against Breitbart. He has not responded to that yet; when he spoke with TWI, he was still laughing at how mainstream media reporters could get so excited about Abu Ghraib and so angry at his site and his reporters.

“This is the Abu Ghraib of journalism!” said Breitbart. “Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib, everywhere you go. I heard that two million times, from when they reported in 2004 to right now. This is the Abu Ghraib of Abu Ghraib. Abu Ghraibs for everyone! NEA Abu Ghraib! White House Abu Ghraib! ACORN Abu Ghraib! Journalism Abu Ghraib! You’ve all been exposed, you corrupt bastards.”

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shecky
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

I hate when Breitbart gets his metaphors wrong. It's nowhere near the Abu Ghraib of journalism. Clearly, this whole ACORN situation is the Final Solution of journalism.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

Still don’t see the connection. So they fought for the same issues. He has never been a member of their organization, and even if he tangentially worked along side them 20 years ago, so what? You guys act like finding out something about AOCRN is the same thing as finding out something about Obama. It isn’t , you are reaching….


Anonymous
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

Still don’t see the connection. So they fought for the same issues. He has never been a member of their organization, and even if he tangentially worked along side them 20 years ago, so what? You guys act like finding out something about AOCRN is the same thing as finding out something about Obama. It isn’t , you are reaching….


JupiterSuite
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

Does this mean Barack will be reprising his role as ACORN defense lawyer?

ACORN: Association of Criminals Obama Represented in the Nineties.

“I've been fighting alongside of Acorn on issues you care about my entire career [including child “services”, financial “services”, and “voter” registration?] Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote in Illinois, Acorn was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.” –Obama, 2007

ACORN: Assisting Call-girls, Obama, Reid and Nancy


ncpg
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Funny how, when questioned by George Sephanopoulos on Sunday, Obama seemed to have never heard of ACORN.


Timetester
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Gawd love Breibart. I especially love how he just completely SERVES Carol Leonning.


wnaegele
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

“You’ve all been exposed, you corrupt bastards.”

Amen.


Communistagendaexposed
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

The “useful idiots” (as Stalin called them) media showed us once again that they can not be trusted to even report news when somebody else does the investigation. Some of the major agenda items of the Communist Party in America were to take over a political party and the media. Obviously, the old Democratic Party has been taken over by “progressives” (code word for COMMUNISTS)!

I left the party years ago, we used to be strong on the defense and love for America. Now we have the media working with the DNC to destroy not just their party but the country. Goons, thugs, criminals have become the base and the George Soros hand puppets in Congress and the White House should be charged with treason.

”Barack Obama ran for office on a promise of increased transparency. Instead, he has had his Labor Depatrtment move in the exact opposite direction to provide political cover for unions and their ties to political organizing groups like ACORN — groups that also work to elect Democrats” (progressive communists)….


tgb1000
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

What the hell does this have to do with Abu Ghraib?


chrisjay
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

Pretty entertaining watching you rightwingers get all wet 'round the crotch thinking this is gonna go anywhere. You fantasize that it'll bring down Obama lol—it won't even take down ACORN. Abu Ghraib!!! What a laugh


Anonymous
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

He was never their lawyer.


Communistagendaexposed
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Ex-KGB Uri Bezmenov On Ideological Indoctrination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIFcnctnHsE&feat…

Obama is either an incompetent imbecile or a liar or both!

Our “create a crisis” crew have h been busy destroying the country since they took gained majority of the House and Senate in 2006. These Soros puppets should be removed from office and sent to a land far , far away. This is not my daddy's Democrat Party that cared about this country and defending it. This Pelosi, Obama branch are the very vile anti American creatures that are the enemy within.

We have a Communist dictator and he is an absolute disaster to the country, our defense, military, economy and freedoms! Look at who his mentors, friends and not czars are!

We are seeing the country under attack from what I see as a deliberate plan to destroy the economy and they used the Communist style “create a crisis” which is right out of their playbook.

This isn't new, they have been on the move for years but it really got strong when the Democrats took control of Houses of Congress taken over in the 2006 elections. The objective was to hurt the economy in time for the 2008 election. Yes, really, those daily conference calls with Moveon/Soros. They should be charged with economic treason!

The Obama's theft of trillions is just part of the Cloward-Piven agenda to overwhelm the system. These thieves have run up more debt in six months than all the presidents combined and that includes two world wars and a civil war! Interest only is costing us billion of dollars a day.
We are $$$$$$$$$$$$$13,000,000,000,
000.00 in debt with more coming if they get their way. Unfunded Medicare/Medicaid/SS/VA to the tune of $$$$$$55 TRILLION.

Now we have a bunch of hacks at best and vile communists at worse on a mission to take over heath care. These imbeciles that have bankrupted Medicare now want to use it as the shining example of what the rest of us should have? What exactly is the definition of insanity? This has nothing to do with “health” but will most certainly have a whole lot to do with death!
These are not for the benefit of us, this is nothing but another power grab to take over another industry. They have already bankrupted everything they have their dirty little paws on and now they want control of our health care…the socialist take over of the most private part of our lives…for us but not for them or their union thugs.
If this is such a great bill why did they exempt themselves, unions, federal employees? WE ARE PAYING FOR THEIR FEP HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN!

This regime is has brought in the freaks from the 60's & 70's with their hate America, hate business, hate the military mantra. Professional hacks that have never worked a day in their lives. Still using the Cloward-Piven agenda to overwhelm the system. These thieves have run up more debt in six months than all the presidents combined and that includes two world wars and a civil war! Interest only is costing billions a day!

Clearly ACORN is a criminal organization and should be charged under RICO. My questions is when will Obama and his minions in congress be investigated and charged? AND WHERE HAS THE MEDIA BEEN?


Communistagendaexposed
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Ex-KGB Uri Bezmenov On Ideological Indoctrination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIFcnctnHsE&feat…

Obama is either an incompetent imbecile or a liar or both!

Our “create a crisis” crew have h been busy destroying the country since they took gained majority of the House and Senate in 2006. These Soros puppets should be removed from office and sent to a land far , far away. This is not my daddy's Democrat Party that cared about this country and defending it. This Pelosi, Obama branch are the very vile anti American creatures that are the enemy within.

We have a Communist dictator and he is an absolute disaster to the country, our defense, military, economy and freedoms! Look at who his mentors, friends and not czars are!

We are seeing the country under attack from what I see as a deliberate plan to destroy the economy and they used the Communist style “create a crisis” which is right out of their playbook.

This isn't new, they have been on the move for years but it really got strong when the Democrats took control of Houses of Congress taken over in the 2006 elections. The objective was to hurt the economy in time for the 2008 election. Yes, really, those daily conference calls with Moveon/Soros. They should be charged with economic treason!

The Obama's theft of trillions is just part of the Cloward-Piven agenda to overwhelm the system. These thieves have run up more debt in six months than all the presidents combined and that includes two world wars and a civil war! Interest only is costing us billion of dollars a day.
We are $$$$$$$$$$$$$13,000,000,000,
000.00 in debt with more coming if they get their way. Unfunded Medicare/Medicaid/SS/VA to the tune of $$$$$$55 TRILLION.

Now we have a bunch of hacks at best and vile communists at worse on a mission to take over heath care. These imbeciles that have bankrupted Medicare now want to use it as the shining example of what the rest of us should have? What exactly is the definition of insanity? This has nothing to do with “health” but will most certainly have a whole lot to do with death!
These are not for the benefit of us, this is nothing but another power grab to take over another industry. They have already bankrupted everything they have their dirty little paws on and now they want control of our health care…the socialist take over of the most private part of our lives…for us but not for them or their union thugs.
If this is such a great bill why did they exempt themselves, unions, federal employees? WE ARE PAYING FOR THEIR FEP HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN!

This regime is has brought in the freaks from the 60's & 70's with their hate America, hate business, hate the military mantra. Professional hacks that have never worked a day in their lives. Still using the Cloward-Piven agenda to overwhelm the system. These thieves have run up more debt in six months than all the presidents combined and that includes two world wars and a civil war! Interest only is costing billions a day!

Clearly ACORN is a criminal organization and should be charged under RICO. My questions is when will Obama and his minions in congress be investigated and charged? AND WHERE HAS THE MEDIA BEEN?


cavcapt
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Classy metaphor, and classic liberal. Well done.


strangely_enough
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

Clean the spittle off your monitor and get help.


strangely_enough
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

It doesn't. It's just a convenient way of pretending the past decade didn't happen.


CorporateDrone
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Read it again.


strangely_enough
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Breitbart sounds as inchorent as Beck.

This is the Abu Ghraib of Abu Ghraib.

Indeed…


DorothyP
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

When Lisa Ling went undercover as part of an eye surgeon's team in North Korea, and her hidden camera footage was shown on National Geographic, was it a stunt?
http://www.amazon.com/National-Geographic-Insid…


Vision_Thing
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Mr. Brietbart, are you hiring? I live in L.A.
Thanks.

Vision_Thing


Ike
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

“inchorent”? Wow. Can I give you some advice? When you set out to call someone “incoherent” you might want to make sure your post is “coherent”.


Communistagendaexposed
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Wake up and get a grasp before you end up in Obamacide land!


CorporateDrone
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

You must have read a different article. This isn't about Obama. It's about the media's complete disinterest in ACORN's corruption. Rather than investigate ACORN, the Big Media is questioning the motives of Breitbart, O'Keefe, and Giles. That doesn't sound like journalism to me. It sounds like wet crotches.


kevtop
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

The liberal media, is in a free fall, and they now expect the government to bail them out. More and more people, who really care about their country, are turning to Fox for their news. They are quickly being marginalised by the alternative conservative news outlets. YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


kevtop
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

chrisjay, you and your liberal, progressive, friends are in for a rude awakening! What you see happening is just the tip of the iceberg. Yea, yea, for Fox news and all the other emerging conservative alternative media. Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Kevin
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

The last line is the best :).


Communistagendaexposed
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

As opposed you your posts from the DNC Talking Points for Dummies?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:07 am

Obama helped ACORN on “Project VOTE” in 1992. Obama taught Alinsky methodology to his ACORN followers in all his Community Agitator classes in Chicago. That slogan defines mob scapegoating, of course. It is an exact prescription for whipping up mobs — by race, by gender, by ethnicity, by religion.

Obama represented ACORN as their attorney in ACORN vs. Edgar.

Obama PAID ACORN over $800,000.00 to work on his campaign.

Moran did a great article: Obama’s Ties To ACORN More Substantial than first believed

You’ve heard of Moveon.org and Code Pink – two radical leftist groups seeking to elect out and out socialists to public office and who are fierce opponents of the capitalist sysetm.

But have you heard of ACORN?

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now is mostly a city-based group that you may know from their illegal voter registration efforts in several states during the 2004 election.

But this group also is involved in schemes to impose drastic, left wing dogma on the rest of us through political action.

Obama’s connection to this group has been shadowy – some work he did back in 1995 representing an effort by the group to get the courts to force Illinois to adopt the motor voter law. But Stanley Kurtz has uncovered even more ties that Obama has to this radical group:

The extent of Obama’s ties to Acorn has not been recognized. We find some important details in an article in the journal Social Policy entitled, “Case Study: Chicago – The Barack Obama Campaign,” by Toni Foulkes, a Chicago Acorn leader and a member of Acorn’s National Association Board. The odd thing about this article is that Foulkes is forced to protect the technically “non-partisan” status of Acorn’s get-out-the-vote campaigns, even as he does everything in his power to give Acorn credit for helping its favorite son win the critical 2004 primary that secured Obama the Democratic nomination to the U.S. Senate.

Before giving us a tour of Acorn’s pro-Obama but somehow “non-partisan” election activities, Foulks treats us to a brief history of Obama’s ties to Acorn. While most press accounts imply that Obama just happened to be at the sort of public-interest law firm that would take Acorn’s “motor voter” case, Foulkes claims that Acorn specifically sought out Obama’s representation in the motor voter case, remembering Obama from the days when he worked with Talbot. And while many reports speak of Obama’s post-law school role organizing “Project VOTE” in 1992, Foulkes makes it clear that this project was undertaken in direct partnership with Acorn. Foulkes then stresses Obama’s yearly service as a key figure in Acorn’s leadership-training seminars.

At least a few news reports have briefly mentioned Obama’s role in training Acorn’s leaders, but none that I know of have said what Foulkes reports next: that Obama’s long service with Acorn led many members to serve as the volunteer shock troops of Obama’s early political campaigns – his initial 1996 State Senate campaign, and his failed bid for Congress in 2000 (Foulkes confuses the dates of these two campaigns.) With Obama having personally helped train a new cadre of Chicago Acorn leaders, by the time of Obama’s 2004 U.S. Senate campaign, Obama and Acorn were “old friends,” says Foulkes.

Not surprisingly it turns out that Reverend Jeremiah Wright and Father Michael Pfleger – two radical clergy closely associated with Obama – have extensive ties to ACORN . Their views fit nicely within the ACORN anti-capitalist agenda that they have been pushing for years.

More evidence, if any were needed, that Obama’s past associations have defined him as a politician and that the more radicals that turn up in his background, the more we must question just what his beliefs truly are.


Bruce
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

In Abu Ghraib, it was argued that the actions of the small number of soldiers at that prison was an indictment of the entire military – all the way up to Dick Cheney. However when the actions of an equivalent number of ACORN employees are recorded, we are told by many in the media that it is just a few bad apples, and that they did not demonstrate the same corruption at “Many other ACORN offices.” To give them credit, this evidence was so damning that not many in the media seriously took up the defense of ACORN, but some did, thereby exposing their bias.

And corruption or crimes in the past (Abu Ghraib) does not justify wrongdoing today. Unless you are seriously suggesting that the most corrupt amongst us should set our ethical goalposts.


maplebob23
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

I think I am developing a “man-crush” on Breitbart! Go! Andrew! Go!


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

That's because the military has a strict command structure, and you don't find widespread actions over long periods of time happening without direction from above.

On the other hand, ACORN is an organization that works with poor people in poor areas, and hires from the communities in which its offices are located. As a reasonable person might expect, this leads to a much less disciplined organization than the military. Of course, Brietbart and you are obviously not reasonable people, so you wouldn't understand the difference.


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Are the rides good at Obamacide land? Are the lines long?


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Mark M
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:43 am

Hilarious that you mention Math. That’s TRILLIONS, not BILLIONS you moron. $800 Billion (66%) of that 1.2 Trillion was the first (indefensible) bailout. The yearly Fed deficit up until mid-2008 was down to < $250B a year from $500Billion in 2002 after the September 11th attacks reduced the GDP from 10 Trillion to 7Trillion. The federal tax revenue grew each year the Bush tax cuts were in place. (Prove me wrong, – sh!thead)

In the last 8 months, Obama has earmarked 1.2 TRILLION DOLLARS, and wants to spend another 1-2 Trillion on health care (it will be a lot more) So, to put in perspective, he has spent more in 8 months than Bush spent on Iraq in 6 years (600B-700B). He has earmarked more debt than the previous 43 presidents combined. Got it yet, dumbass?


reshas1
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Love it, love what you are doing… EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION


Andrew
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

The military is not a hive mind, so no, it can't be held accountable for the actions of every one of its members because it does not control those members like robots. Abu Ghraib is one small subset of hundreds of thousands of people. If the same thing were happening at five or six different prisons, then you'd have a point.

And according to your side of the debate, the military is made up of poor people from poor neighborhoods, so if anything ACORN looks even worse in comparison. Now, if you want to condemn both ACORN and the military, that's reasonable enough. But forgiving ACORN for offenses at five offices while condemning the military for one is not logically consistent. Breitbart however demonstrated many “impartial” members of the media will do exactly that (Remember, the news media is supposed to inform us, not indoctrinate us).

Also drop the ad-homonym, it just makes you look petty.

PS. My earlier post was under Bruce, someone else was on this computer before me and I didn't notice it had their login credentials.


dphoneman
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

You really have to be dense to not get the point Breitbart is making.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:17 am

Look who’s talking: you’re a Glenn Beck sock puppet. Why watch Glenn tonight when I can hear you regurgitate him tomorrow?


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

The military is not a hive mind, so no, it can't be held accountable for the actions of every one of its members because it does not control those members like robots.

First of all, yes the military can be held accountable for the actions of every one of its members. That's why they have their own justice system.

Abu Ghraib is one small subset of hundreds of thousands of people.

Bullshit. The prison structure in Iraq was not hundreds of thousands of people, it was hundreds, and there's no way the command structure did not know what was going on there, all the time, for months.

If the same thing were happening at five or six different prisons, then you'd have a point.

Well, gee, then I guess the fact that it was happening at several prisons just proves my point, doesn't it? Try to pay attention. Torture and homicides have happened repeatedly at Bagram and Guantanamo.

And according to your side of the debate, the military is made up of poor people from poor neighborhoods

My side? I never said that, so take your straw man and shove it up your ass. ACORN, a non-profit organization, does not have a rigorous intensive training program and it's own justice system, as the military does. ACORN workers do not work in combat zones and thus do not need the intense discipline required for military units and command structure to function. ACORN gives poor people jobs helping other poor people.

so if anything ACORN looks even worse in comparison.

Only if you're a moron.

Now, if you want to condemn both ACORN and the military, that's reasonable enough.

I've condemned neither.

But forgiving ACORN for offenses at five offices while condemning the military for one is not logically consistent.

Indulging a couple of weirdos by talking to them is equivalent to torture and homicide? Really? You are a piece of work, scumbag.

Breitbart however demonstrated many “impartial” members of the media will do exactly that (Remember, the news media is supposed to inform us, not indoctrinate us).

If you don't like indoctrination, why the hell would you like Breitbart?

Also drop the ad-homonym, it just makes you look petty.

Kiss my ass. How's that for petty?


Joe Nesuno
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

If you want to know what type of Health Plan our members of Congress and Government employees, including their family, have? Google “Federal Employee Health Benefit Plan” (FEHBP). Wow wish I had that.. Federal Employees and Congress (They ) are our employees. We (Us) are their employers. So, how did it happen that our employees (They) have better health insurance than the employers(Us)? Why can't we join their Health Plan instead of creating a new one? Or better yet why don't we DEMAND that they, including Obama, must join whatever Health Plan they pass.
Read their present Health Plan(FEHBP), I think you'll like it. I believe it says that (Us) the employers pay for 70% of the coast


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

We thank you for endorsing a single payer health system, Joe. I wholeheartedly agree.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Exactly, Urban these people are hilarious! They use Abu Ghraib as an analogy when in fact 3 or 4 lowly grunts went to prison—– BTW, I don’t really think you rightwingers are gonna like the direction this ACORN thing is gonna take. It’ll be fun watching it slowly dawn on you…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:26 am

Andrew you must have short term memory issues: this article is ABOUT Breitbart. Jeez…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:30 am

For the record, I don’t think ACORN should get federal money. I think they don’t do much public good and exist in most part to leech some money while doing a little good. Either way, I’m just saying the notion that they are part of some socialist conspiracy is a little paranoid, especially after seeing that video.


Nathan
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Giles said there are more than 5 when do we see the rest?


Real_American
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

ah, the everpresent LIBERAL VITRIOL AND HATE


urban16
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

We can all thank Breitbart, because of this story the GOP rushed to pass a bill that outlaws Northrup Grumman and every defense contractor we have from doing any work for our military again. Thanks for man!


Real_American
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

9 months long

but as a radical, you can cut lines – obozo will allow it, since you are a sycophant


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Ah, the ever present poor punctuation, spelling, and manic capitalization of wingnuts.


urban16
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

What does ACORN have to do with anything? Really? Sounds like they are a lame ash group that doesn't really do anything. So what is the big deal? The whole “voter fraud” claim has been exposed as a lie, so what else is it that everyone hate3s them so much for? You would think conservatives would like a group that helped you get around paying taxes….


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

Republicans hate and oppose any group that encourages poor people to vote.


urban16
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

Admit it, you don't really know what a communist is, do you? (you must not, since you use the term so loosely to describe a group that doesn't even remotely resemble communism).

Who in the Democratic Party has called for the elimination of all private ownership of property, and the elimination of all privately owned corporations?


urban16
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Considering he has nothing to do with them, and never has, it wasn't surprising.


urban16
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

but conservatives said that argument about abu gharib was ridiculous….now you are using the same argument.

which is it, does it go up the chain or not?


urban16
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Your math is seriously off man. Obama has raised the deficit from $1.2 billion (left by Bush) to $1.8 billion. he has added almost $1 trillion to the national debt.

Bush added $5 trillion to the national debt


urban16
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

But Breitbart defended the military and condemned ACORN for the exact same thing. You can't really claim to be exposing hypocrisy while practicing it


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

You can't really claim to be exposing hypocrisy while practicing it

Shhh. That's all Republicans have!


urban16
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Who was mad at him for this? Seems to me he is trying to make his own story. Just because no one cares about some small ineffectual community group, as opposed to say our military and their practices, doesn't quite equate to what he is saying. He “exposed” ACORN, the general public shrugged their shoulders, and he loses his mind because no one cares. Grow up. ACORN is meaningless, our government torturing people is not. How can conservatives, especially someone with a website called biggovernment, be ok with that?


joejohnson043
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

except for the fact that the senate voted to NOT include themselves in any 'public' option. Our Dear Leader and Co. have private insurance, that is paid for by the public, because we pay their paycheck. But they do not have “government” insurance. There is a difference. What they want to put on us would suck @$$, while they kept for themselves the top notch care they are accustomed to. Every Communist government gets to drive in the Rolls Royces, live in the big houses, while we the sheeple get to 'live the dream'…. more like the nightmare!


shoutingmobster
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Republicans hate and oppose any group that encourages dead or nonexistent people to vote for Marxist “community organizers”.
FIFY


Tim
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

Other than his inability to make one argument, without conflating it with another, entirely unrelated one, Mr. Breitbart also doesn't seem to know what “aberrant” means or that the 372nd Military Police Company isn't the National Guard. But that of course speaks to the larger point, that Mr. Breitbart isn't interested in things that actually matter. He's interested in winning phony arguments with straw men. And, at that, he's great.


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

Dead or nonexistent people can't vote, and don't. Dumbass.


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

Tell it to the millions of Americans with no insurance, who would gladly take a public plan over nothing at all. That's who it's for, after all. You don't have to take part.


spidercmb
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Um…The Federal plan isn't a single payer health system. You are sadly deluded. The Federal plan is exempt from legislation that causes our system to suck so badly. You see, Insurance companies can't sell across state lines, so they don't have to compete…except for the Federal plan. Republicans and Democrats created legislation that screws us and benefits them. But wait, there's more! By creating a system that allows virtual monopolies, they ensure big donations from HMOs / Insurers, so that they won't remove the legislation, which would force HMOs and Insurance companies to compete.


spidercmb
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

It would make far more sense to remove the legislation that prevents insurers from selling across state lines. Then charities could form to buy PRIVATE (ie good) insurance for the uninsured. Any money that wasn't provided by charities could be provided by the government. There is NO NEED to create a system that effects 100% of Americans when less than 15% are without insurance.


ForIAmBill
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Actually, thanks to ACORN, and groups like it, not only do dead people vote, so do cartoon character.


Greg
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Exccept for being their lawyer in the past right idiot?

“I've been fighting alongside of Acorn on issues you care about my entire career [including child “services”, financial “services”, and “voter” registration?] Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote in Illinois, Acorn was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.” –Obama, 2007


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Um…The Federal plan isn't a single payer health system.

I didn't say it was. Joe wants us all to have the same plan. That means single-payer. I agree with him.

You see, Insurance companies can't sell across state lines

That will change soon, hopefully.


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

It would make far more sense to remove the legislation that prevents insurers from selling across state lines.

This is part of the plan.

Then charities could form to buy PRIVATE (ie good) insurance for the uninsured.

You want millions of people to rely on charities for health insurance? You are deluded.

There is NO NEED to create a system that effects 100% of Americans when less than 15% are without insurance.

Yes there is. People move, change jobs, become unemployed, etc. The people with insurance today can easily be without it tomorrow.


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

Fraudulent registrations are not votes.


JGsez
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gr…

When looking at the figure, note the Democrats took over congress in 2006. Under our constitution, the deficit is the responsibility of congress. There were no Reagan deficits. Bill Clinton did not balance the budget. Neither Bush or Obama will increase the national debt. Unless congress lets them. The president proposes and congress disposes.


Communistagendaexposed
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Keep “drinking the juice” and you'll find out. Yes, that's what your communist & con said about you dumb asses for buying into his scam.


Andrew
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

First of all, yes the military can be held accountable for the actions of every one of its members. That's why they have their own justice system.

You refuted your own point, the military in that case is holding members of itself accountable. It is not however and indictment of the entire military.

Bullshit. The prison structure in Iraq was not hundreds of thousands of people, it was hundreds, and there's no way the command structure did not know what was going on there, all the time, for months.

The military is hundreds of thousands of people, the number of people charged ad Abu Ghraib is small portion (tens of people). Thank you for agreeing with me about at least that simple point. And yes, the higher command structure does carry responsibility in the sense that they failed to enact sufficient checks and balances to prevent the abuse. The same is the case for ACORN, it has a command structure which failed to prevent abuses (not only those caught on these video tapes, I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but the brother of the co-founder embezzled almost one million dollars, which was covered up by ACORN).

Well, gee, then I guess the fact that it was happening at several prisons just proves my point, doesn't it? Try to pay attention. Torture and homicides have happened repeatedly at Bagram and Guantanamo.

You mean Bagram, which is continuing to operate under Obama?

My side? I never said that, so take your straw man and shove it up your ass. ACORN, a non-profit organization, does not have a rigorous intensive training program and it's own justice system, as the military does. ACORN workers do not work in combat zones and thus do not need the intense discipline required for military units and command structure to function. ACORN gives poor people jobs helping other poor people.

Good point, ACORN workers can not explain their behavior as soldiers in combat zones can. It's understandable, though not forgivable, that someone with PTSD who saw their friends killed would go beyond moral bounds. It's far less understandable when ACORN workers working in comfortable offices go beyond moral bounds!

And I'm glad to see that you have in fact not condemned the military for actions of a few of its members.

Indulging a couple of weirdos by talking to them is equivalent to torture and homicide?

I'm not sure what you're referring to, I'm considering how ACORN has been shown to have a culture of corruption (the embezzling of a million dollars and its subsequent cover-up) which treats illegal activities casually in too many cases. I'm sure ACORN does good work, neither I nor Breitbart want to “destroy” ACORN (unless you can find a quote to the contrary) but we have a limited amount of taxpayer money, and we believe that money should go to organizations which have demonstrated they can use it effectively and honestly, such as the Salvation Army.

ACORN can do what it likes with private donations, or the money that it illegally charged people for services it was supposed to be providing for free (such as asking the under cover video tapers to pay a joining fee to attend an ACORN housing conference which was in fact paid for 100% by US taxpayer money).


Andrew
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

This is not about Breitbart, I couldn't care less about him, he is a Political partisan just as much as Jon Stewart (who by the way actually agrees with Breitbart on ACORN). I don't understand why you are obsessed by him. What's at issue here is taxpayer money. ACORN should not receive taxpayer money, given these videos, the embezzling of money and it subsequent cover-up, and charging for services that were already paid for by the government. There are many other organizations which help people with out this culture of corruption, our tax money should go there.

Insofar as hypocrisy is even an issue, it matters in that people claiming to present news in an unbiased manner do not apply the same standards of ethics to all groups of people. That will only lead to lacking ethical standards in their favored party. If you like groups like ACORN, you should encourage them to be held accountable, as I do the military, not excuse their behavior.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

communist, n., anyone to the left of Saint Ronald


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

Helping poor people to vote, bad.
Torturing and killing swarthy brown people, good.

Once you realize that, everything Comrade Andrew says makes sense.


Communistagendaexposed
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Sure, what's the big deal with 14 states charging ACORN with voter registration fraud?

And what's wrong with ACORN forcing banks to make bad loans? Don't worry about that sub prime mortgage crisis that has cost us over a trillion dollars and we're not done yet. The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration with the help of left-wing activists certainly had help from the idiot in the White House and fools like Barny Frank, Maxine Waters…the usual suspects in Congress.

The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that failed to “meet the credit needs” of “low-income, minority, and distressed neighborhoods.” Lenders responded by loosening their underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, encouraged this “subprime” lending by authorizing ever more “flexible” criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that ensued.

All this was justified as a means of increasing homeownership among minorities and the poor. Affirmative-action policies trumped sound business practices. A manual issued by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston advised mortgage lenders to disregard financial common sense. “Lack of credit history should not be seen as a negative factor,” the Fed's guidelines instructed. Lenders were directed to accept welfare payments and unemployment benefits as “valid income sources” to qualify for a mortgage. Failure to comply could mean a lawsuit.

Yes, what does anything matter in Obamaland where the rule of law and the Constitution are so inconvient to the robbers and looters!


Lee
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:32 pm

You left wing cockroaches! If this were a conservative administration running with and providing taxpayer funds to criminal organizations like acorn, politicizing the NEA, appointing corrupt political operatives like van jones and tax dodgers to high office, not keeping promises of openness and honesty like the promise to post bills on the internet for review, trying to grab power threw seizing control of America's health care system, quickly destroying our nations ability to defend it self by attacking those charged in the CIA with protecting us, your screaming would be heard on Venus! This administration should remember that there very well may come a time when they may have to answer to charges of treason and dereliction of duty themselves.


Communistagendaexposed
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

This “small ineffectual community group” scheduled to receive $8.5,000,000,000.00 from just the “stimulus” mone. And that doesn't even include all the other funding that these criminals receive under their 200 other criminal groups!
We are borrowing from Communist China in order to fund groups like this one on a clear mission to overwhelm and destroy the country – it's a big deal to some folks!
Yes, sadly, there are many in the “general public” that are unaware of what is going. There are people in the country that don't know there are three branches of government or can't name the first president of the United States. Because we have an uninformed general public doesn't really mean this is not a big deal!


As a Russian leader once said, “we will destroy you not with missiles but from within.” We are now beginning to see the handwriting on the wall. This was our first inept and uneducated generation and they only needed a slick and glib flim-flam man…


Communistagendaexposed
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

You're correct mantis, it is first necessary to have the fraudulent voter registration and then the fraudulent vote. That is exactly what happened in Washington State. They found 400,000 illegal votes AFTER the election.


Communistagendaexposed
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

Congress, federal workers and unions are excluded from the Death Care Plan. Seems they aren't as stupid as one would think. We'll continue to pay for their great plan while everyone else lines up at the free clinic, well if you consider 13% of your income “free”. Such a deal, you'll pay more and get less! And even better, you get to pay into the system until 2013 before you get the plan. Wow!!!

Senate Panel Health Bill Cost Cut Below $880 Billion (Update1) -
15 (Bloomberg) — Senate negotiators seeking bipartisan health-care legislation say they have pared its cost to less than $880 billion and are writing provisions on abortions, … Wyden said he objects to requiring some people to pay up to 13 percent of their income on insurance premiums before getting a subsidy to buy a policy.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aU...… http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aU...
Democrats Worry Bill Will Cost Families Too Much – WSJ.com
WASHINGTON — Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus came under new pressure Tuesday from Democrats concerned that his health bill could force some middle-income families to take on sizable new costs for health coverage. … Senate Panel Nears Consensus On Health Care Bill … Bill's Cost to Families Worries Democrats…

online.wsj.com/article/SB125303845553412855.html


brendanm
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

So you support cutting off all funds to pretty much every military contractor and defense-related company, where fraud and criminality is endemic?


Adam
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

The media-telecom sector has ALWAYS donated generously to Democratic Presidential candidates. However, with the Bush FCC's whitespace reallocation decision, this took on a greater urgency. This is a VERY big issue–worth tens of billions of dollars in revenue. For the media-telcos, Obama HAD to win.

Since the media paid for Obama's campaign, why would they run anything critical of him? Everything from the ACORN mess, to that horrible bow to King Abdullah was censored. Even Obama's crappy poll numbers didn't make it into the news. Journalists like Chris 'everytime I hear The One's speeches, I tinkle down my leg' Matthews and Anderson Cooper were as slobbering in their probama propaganda as Russian 'journalists' over Putin.

Really, until corporate and union (including media corporations, often owned by union pension plans) donations are banned, grossly biased political 'reporting' is just going to continue.


mantis
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

No, they didn't. I understand your addled brain is filled with nothing but lies, so you can't help it.


Adam
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Most of the 'poor' voters ACORN rounded up–who supposedly couldn't afford Drivers' Licenses, or other ID, nor wait in a queue–nonetheless manage to line up to buy the latest Wii game and have nice cars. ACORN was nothing but a 'Great McGinty'-style vote-fraud machine, often recruiting illegal aliens to vote. Every other developed country in the world (e.g., Britain, Canada) thinks that there's nothing 'racist' about requiring voters to provide ID, either.


Adam
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

As for 'torturing' Muslim terrorists: some of the 'torture' included scented soap, toilets facing Mecca, being touched on the thigh by female intelligence officers (eww!) and having infidel Crusaders touch the 'holy' Qur'an with their icky, pork-sausage fingers. Apparently, you can't be mean to those nice Islamists, who enjoy murdering 'the other white meat' (al Qaeda's cute term), en masse, for the promise of a 72 hooker gangbang in the afterlife.

As for flushing the Qur'an down the toilet: the asinine, treasonous, Dhimmwit[sic] New York authorities actually charged someone with a 'hate crime' for tossing Mohammed's collected ramblings in a John:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017558.php

I've slipped 'bookcovers' made of bacon packet wrappers over a Qur'an in the library at my alma mater; I even asked a girlfriend to 'bookmark' one with a used tampon. I'd've liked to flush one, but that's just impossible. Toilets choke on TOILET PAPER, nevermind a BOOK. (Maybe the U.S. Forces have some super-secret, zillion dollar Skunk Works crapper…)


spidercmb
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

I said “There is NO NEED to create a system that effects 100% of Americans when less than 15% are without insurance.”

You replied “Yes there is. People move, change jobs, become unemployed, etc. The people with insurance today can easily be without it tomorrow.”

How about this: Make health insurance tax deductable and available to individuals and then everyone could pick their own health insurance, instead of tying it to their job? That's how it was before Teddy screwed up health insurance.


spidercmb
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

“You want millions of people to rely on charities for health insurance? You are deluded.”

You obviously have no respect for the truth, otherwise you would have quoted my entire thought. As it is, you quoted one sentence so as to create a strawman. It works for a dishonest partisan like yourself to do that, because the truth is a scary thing when all you want is power. What I said was “Then charities could form to buy PRIVATE (ie good) insurance for the uninsured. Any money that wasn't provided by charities could be provided by the government.” Yeah…I guess maybe it was an accident that you cut out that second sentence.


When I grow up I want to be Andy Breitbart « Nuke Gingrich
Pingback posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:55 am

[...] first five punches landed squarely on the jaw of ACORN, and as a result, staggered the Democrat media complex. Resignations, defunding, chaos, fingerpointing, and the beginnings of regulatory investigations [...]


mistercalm
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:18 am

You're an idiot.


mistercalm
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:25 am

Oh, well… mantis said, “No, they didn't.” That settles it. Of course ACORN assists Democrats in stealing elections. That is their primary function. To deny the truth of this is to admit you're a fool.


Mark M
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:27 am

What, was it free crack day today?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:37 am

How do you control costs? Recision?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Look up incoherent in the dictionary, then get back to me.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Lee van Winkle. Fell asleep January 20th, 2001, amazingly woke up January 20th, 2009!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:42 am

Ooh… TMI.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:42 am

Surrender accepted.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:45 am

Indeed. I hope that the legislation as written passes and Obama signs. That would be incredible. But, that’s why it won’t.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:47 am

False equivalencies, sweeping generalizations, gross exaggerations… A nice little house of cards if you had actually one solid fact to lean on.

C'mon, Adam, come on out and say it: 'Fuck the poor and the sand n—-rs.' Your act isn't fooling anyone besides yourself.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:48 am

That first bailout occurred during the last months of Bush’s presidency. You do remember that, right?
And, if you think the Iraq war has only cost us 600-700 B, you probably shouldn’t be calling someone else a dumbass, dumbass.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:50 am

You forgot 'shuck and jive'. I'll bet you keep the 'Impeach Warren' bumper sticker nice 'n clean too.

Now run along, or else you'll miss the cross burning and be the laughingstock of your no-neck asshat Klavern.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:55 am

Well, if you stuck your head out of that hole in the ground, you'd realize he's right. But that would shatter your precious worldview that True Americans would only vote for the True American Party and any Democratic won elections must obviously be stolen for no True Americans would vote for them, so you settle for your magical fantasy land.


Lee
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:55 am

When do you plan on waking up?


momofseven
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Way to go Breitbart!! For those who say that ACORN is nothing, are you saying that the 8 BILLION in the stimulus pkg is pocket change. You are OK with giving these idiots YOUR money? I am not sure what HELP ACORN is. Aren't you suppose to try and GET OFF the govt dole? Course if that happened these chuckleheads would not have a job, that I PAY FOR.
AND FOR TORTURE, Liz Cheney said it best, and I do not quote, you torture one terrorist in the hopes for saving 100's of American lives.It is not an easy thing to do, but don't we have a right and moral obligation to ourselves? Wouldn't you think your spouse of child were worth that? That is manipulation I know, but c'mon.


Adam
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:02 am

The Salafis (read Malcolm X–they come in all colors) are the ones who want to KILL US…along with destroying Israel making women wear bags on their heads and forcing Jews and Christians into dhimmitude. I can say, without hesitation, '”fuck the Islamists!”


chrisjay
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:14 am

“The poor, bullied banks were pressured to make loans to minorities” Rightwing myth. The banks were pressured by no-one to rack up commissions on all those new mortgages. Just good old-fashioned greed at work. You've been stuffed like a Thanksgiving turkey with trailerpark fairy tales. But while we're on the subject of ACORN, the fun is yet to come: In their frantic rush to low demagoguery, GOP lawmakers wrote the “defund ACORN” law so broadly that it appears many good Republican donors like Grumman and Lockeed Martin (20 fraud convictions between them) are going to be collateral damage..LOL


urban16
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:26 am

ACORN is supposed to get $8.5 billion? Really? Might want to check on that.

For the record I don't think they should get tax payer money either, nor did I think Bush should have been able to fund all the religious organizations. I just don't think ACORN is a threat. Don't think they do much at all really, except leech of the gov't. But I think the notion that this is a secret plot for socialists to take over the country is a little paranoid. How can you watch that video and be threatened?


chrisjay
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:30 am

Shall we torture the domestic terrorist who lynched the census worker in Kentucky and scrawled FED on his chest? BTW, why go all the way to Gitmo when we can put all of these mulleted minions of the McVeigh Memorial Militia in Obama's FEMA camps, right? Are ya with me Ms Cheney and momofseven?? Just think of the family of THAT American for a moment.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 6:43 am

No they don’t remember that. They don’t remember anything before 1/20/09. They think it’s a liberal lie that 9/11 occurred on GW’s watch.


SDmatt
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:47 am

ACORN is practically nothing compared to the corrupt defense/military contractors and corporations like Blackwater and Halliburton who have received far more federal money than ACORN has. That $8 billion figure is grossly misleading: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stateme… and http://www.factcheck.org/2009/02/the-stimulus-b…. ACORN does a lot of work helping the poor in this country and the coverage it has received recently according to a recent study by college professors has been of poor quality: http://departments.oxy.edu/uepi/acornstudy/acor…


Pug
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:51 am

Cockroaches. That's what the Interhamwe called the Tutsis on their hate radio broadcasts in Rwanda. They also broadcast where the “cockroaches” could be found so the Hutu could slaughter them. Just a coincidence, though, I'm sure.


Pug
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:55 am

And Obama won Washington by 521,000 votes. So even if every single one of your alleged 400,000 votes was illegal and was cast for Obama, he still won.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 6:56 am

There’s this thing called a veto…


JimmysAttackRabbit
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 2:09 am

Great Galloping Galaxies! The last paragragh of this article is exquisite……”This is the Abu Ghraib of Abu Graib. Abu Graibs for everyone!”……..Good gawd! I love it! ……Mr. Breitbart, you are a magnificent bastard!!


StLucie
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 2:13 am

ACORN may run into a bit of a problem if their organization presses a lawsuit against Hannah, James, and Breitbart in the Baltimore, Md. sting operation. State law or no state law, I have read that ACORN did not renew its license to operate business in Baltimore, Md., therefore, a company that does not exist cannot bring suit.


millgrist
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Breitbart seems a pretty cynical sort. We've had a surplus of right-wing cynicism for a number of years now. We need people instead who will reach across political divides to help this country recover from a nasty economic shock, straighten out heath care, and get us out of two quagmire wars.

Wouldn't it be better if Breitbart pursued those common goals, rather than treat neighbors and fellow citizens as enemies


urban16
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:00 am

ACORN has received a total of $53 million over the last 15 years. That is a fact


Jelperman
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:13 am

Breitbart is a moral retard. At worst, ACORN may have stolen money from its contributors and cheated at voter registration. The US government tortured and murdered people at Abu Ghraib.


strangely_enough
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:30 am

The language of the bill is so broadly written that any contractor that has defrauded the government would be subject to it. If they narrow it down to single out ACORN, it becomes an unconstitutional bill of attainder. Law of unintended consequences, and irony, writ large.
Try to keep up.


strangely_enough
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:35 am

Unfortunately, if they do open up interstate insurance, it will probably still be subject to the state laws where the co. is incorporated. If there isn't a single standard expect a race to the bottom to find the state with the most lax laws, oversight, whatever will allow present system to continue.


utterdisbelief
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 6:12 am

Wow! I'm surprised you were able to stop at just all Muslims want to kill whoever you are referring to as “US”. After I'm sure all Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, any non-Christians (hell truth be told probably includes non Protestants as well), people that live in towns with more than 100,000 people,people that would make 6 year olds wait 10 minutes from purchasing grenade launchers on school grounds, and people that butter their bread on the butter side down ALL want to kill the “US” that you mention. You just keep making bacon wrapper Qur'an book covers that'll learn 'em to think/look differently than you.


Manreplej
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 8:11 am

Jelperman is a moral retard. No one was killed at Abu Ghraib by the US. Saddam killed plenty there, but not the US. Jelperman is an idiot: The “torture” at Abu Ghraib is laughable. Public humiliation is not torture.

But I'm glad there are guys out there like Jelperman — ACORN needs advocates of child prostitution to deflect the publics outrage. Best to call it “stolen money” instead. Yup.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

The government shouldn’t control costs, the market should dictate costs. If all of the healthcare companies are competing, they will have to lower their costs to be competitive. Who controls the cost on House insurance? Car Insurance? Both are required if you own a car or house, but the Government doesn’t control costs on either. I can shop around and get the right car insurance for me, based on how much it costs and what it covers. That’s how health insurance SHOULD work. This idea that the Government has to keep costs down is pure fascism.

If a Health insurer drops people from their plans for spurious reasons, then when word gets around, that company will suffer. It’s self correcting. We allow every other business to run that way, why not health insurance? Because it’s a ticket to power. Control people’s health and you control THEM. That’s what Teddy was after, not helping people. HMOs have caused untold suffering and made huge profits, because HE, Teddy Kennedy, allowed them to form monopolies within states. If Obama wants to see who is responsible for the suffering caused by HMOs, then he needs to grab a shovel.


koblog
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 10:17 am

Two young adults really did expose the “corrupt bastards” and Jon Stewart knows who those corrupt bastards are: the left wing media.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 11:39 am

So you admit to glossing over governmental abuse during the Bush Administration? Glad to hear it, that clears a lot of things up.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 11:43 am

And there's the sweeping generalizations again.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 11:46 am

Mareplej is a moralless retard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture…


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 11:47 am

Give 'em a couple decades of wandering the wilderness first. They need to be reminded of the folly of power for its own sake.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 11:50 am

You torture one person, then were does it stop? Two? Ten? Millions?


Lee
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 11:51 am

I admit to nothing but your ignorance and evasion of the facts about the present situation.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

Thanks for explaining to me how the health care crisis is all Ted Kennedy’s fault. As for your scintillating explanation of the miracle of the free market all I can say is whew, now I can just sit back, do nothing and stop worrying.Easy street here we come!!!


Lee
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 12:04 pm

So, look who really wants to put people into camps. The left drops it's mask and shows it's true face.

If the census guy was murdered, watch for more of this. Look into how Hitler blew up the Reichstag and then blamed it on his opponents to demonize them and cement his own power. And yes he was a socialist. He nationalized the banks, auto companies, health care and ordered complete gun control to paralyze his opponents.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

You are welcome for the 411 on Teddy, but that’s public knowledge. He killed healthcare competition just like he kill Mary Jo.

I’m glad you are comfortable with the free market system, because people like me will oppose fascism at every turn. We will work hard to correct the mistakes of those who push for and support socialist and fascist legislation. But nobody said anything about easy street. You will have to work for money and then use that money to buy your own health insurance. It will be cheaper and better that what is available now, but you’ll still be paying for it. So you won’t be able to sit down on easy street and allow the productive people to pay for your healthcare, like the Democrats are pushing for.


fenrisulven
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

ACORN ~ Obama

And its so much fun to watch the liberal parasites squirm here. Thanks!


chrisjay
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

Another wilfully ignorant republitard: not only were people killed & tortured at Abu G, some proved innocent of anything worthy of being there. Keep your head in the sand though…


Andy
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

Uhhhhh, Breitbart is in the business of reporting and providing the news, he isn't a politician that's been elected to “fix” all the problems you listed. Just curious, do other news organizations advocate for fixing these things? You are correct, they do. And they shouldn't. That's the whole point. Remember how the mainstream media “advocated” for war in Iraq and how outraged you were over that. Well, don't be selectively outraged. The media and various news outlets should report, not advocate.

So reporting news as it is rather than giving it a liberal tilt is considered right-wing cynicism? Just curious, what exactly would you call the 8 years (and counting) of Bush Derangement Syndrome by the mainstream media? They questioned every motive of Bush, even when he doing things they normally support, such as growing government.


Andy
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

Chrisjay, don't blow your wad all over the dead census worker just yet. No facts are known yet and details are emerging that make it a likely suicide or accident (i.e. he was touching the ground, which means of course he wasn't technically “hanging”). Look for this story to disappear down the AP memory hole as the details of the case become less and less incriminating of right-wingers. BTW, you sound very hateful and I don't have a mullet (although, let's be honest, we've all wanted to have one for a day or two — just for kicks).

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/uncategorized…


Andy
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

Reach back and pull your panties from your large ass crack. Breitbart is equating the mainstream media _coverage_ of Abu Ghraib, not the actual story. See, they are different stories, even Breitbart knows that. AG was on the front pages for how many weeks? It was like that popular song that they overplay — you get tired of hearing about it.

Besides, you apparently like the racial angle to this, so don't forget that ACORN apparently supports the enslavement of young brown girls for prostitution. I think that could be considered torture beyond any torture that occurred in AG.


Andy
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Again with the racial angle. You must be an older person. As SE Cupp pointed out, most of the supposed racism today is stoked by old racists such as Jimmy Carter or by old race baiters like Al Sharpton. Younger people don't think of everything in terms of race.

Also, regarding the facts to back the Adam's post about “poor” being able to afford an ID — have you ever read through the results on the census? There are very few truly poor people on this country: nearly all households have a TV and many of them have pay cable or satellite service. Everyone makes choices with their money and that includes the “poor”. Besides, we all know that the cost of the ID isn't the problem, the fact is ACORN could not so easily register Mickey Mouse if Mickey needed a legal document proving he was Mickey.


spidercmb
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Almost all allegations made against the US soldiers are only documented by the claims of terrorists who were incarcerated in Abu Graib. When you look at the handbook provided by Al Qaeda, you find that they are instructed to make such claims. No evidence of such things happening exists. If there was evidence, then you can be sure that Republicans would lead the charge in demanding swift and harsh punishment.

On the other hand, ample evidence exists that Iran wants to murder all Israelis…the Left doesn't care.

Cuba's population lives in poverty and their prisons are full of political prisoners…the Left doesn't care.

Burma has been documented to use rape as a weapon against their enemies, Burma tortures and murders innocent civilians and…the left DOESN'T CARE. Not only don't they care, but Obama has recently given their officials…people responsible for the policies of torture, rape and murder….to travel freely around DC and even had them visit the White House.

The left has an absolutely horrid history of human rights abuses and ignoring the same, you and your kind have no place questioning the morals of anyone.


spidercmb
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

I could see using torture to save innocent lives from terrorist attacks. In this cause, if the census worker was murdered and we find the one responsible, then we should just lock him up. There is no reason to believe it was anything other than one lone perp. With terrorists, they have networks and their plan isn't to kill one harmless census worker, but to kill as many innocent people as possible.


millgrist
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

I don't consider engineering the news to be part of reporting. What I know about Breitbart is limited, but who ever got the 2 entrappers to go in ACORN is a news engineer.

I was very disappoined in MSM coverage of 9/11, of the run up to the Iraq invasion, of the quality of war coverage, of the tendency of major-outlet news organizations to just report what administration officials say instead of asking good pointed follow up questions.

It's isn't the “reporting of news as it is” that makes me think Breitbart is cynical and right-wing. It's statements like, “But little of this conservative muckraking has made it beyond local news or Fox News reports. In coming to Breitbart, O’Keefe and Giles found a new media ally who could package and sell their goods.”

You and I most likely agree that we don't want reporters to engineer or spin the news. We both want the hard questions answered though, and as reporters have their own point of views, it is necessary that a wide array of reporters tackle the news, report it as they see it, and we can figure out what actually happened while filtering out the left-leaning or right-leaning spin.

Bush Derangement Syndrom was isolated to the MSNBC's of the world, just like a perpetual Bush hard-on was Fox's signature. The ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN folks are lapdogs for whom ever is in power. MSNBC and Fox are at least transparent. The other MSS just don't ask good questions anymore, unless you count Helen Thomas


millgrist
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

Ooops … “The other MSM just don't ask good questions anymore…. “


beckjr2000
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

ACORN? Good or Bad? Simply, have a through investigation by the FBI. Then the folks at ACORN will be able to spell RICO.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

I guess my real point was too subtle for some of you: You seem to have no problem justifying/rationalizing torture within parameters and variables that you have arrived at due mostly to your subjective worldviews. When I suggest similar treatment for an individual who you think might share some of your opinions, suddenly the victim “wasn't technically hanging” and “this murderer isn't like the terrorists we learned about from watching Jack Bauer on '24' and, “gosh you sound hateful”. I'm just holding a mirror up to you clowns but you're too thick to get it…


chrisjay
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

SpiderCombover you make no sense. There is photo evidence of children and young women being raped in Abu ghraib—Sodomizing children with light sticks in view of their parents. Photos of dead prisoners were widely exposed in the press–some were used in the trials of the US soldiers who went to prison. Where were you? Where were you all of the years the “left” criticized Bush/Cheney for coddling the Myanmar (Burmese) junta? Who exposed Cheney's business dealings with the Myanmar junta? The leftists you despise, that's who. Who on the left supports Ahmedinijad? Gotta a name or 2? Cuba's poverty could be diminished by lifting the 50- year long economic embargo around the island –but it is the RIGHT which opposes such a move, not the left. Nevertheless I love to hear you rant about what you think you know about “my kind”.


Eric
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Nice article, but
“…scandal of allegedly forged documents that CBS News used…”

“Allegedly” is a MSM subterfuge to divert responsibility from themselves as to how they (CBS in particular) tried to throw the election. It was up to CBS to prove (prior to going with the story) that the documents were genuine. They never did that, and could not do so afterward — and in fact it was pretty clear they were bogus. Dan and Mary alleged they were genuine without any support other than their own hatred of Prez Bush, and got their butts handed to them. Deservedly so.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Dont know your age. Do you remember Ronnie Reagan's fictional accounts of black welfare queens driving Cadillacs? You're a chip off the old block…BTW Ron Reagan Jr is one of my favorite liberals lol


spidercmb
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

“SpiderCombover you make no sense. There is photo evidence of children and young women being raped in Abu ghraib—Sodomizing children with light sticks in view of their parents. Photos of dead prisoners were widely exposed in the press–some were used in the trials of the US soldiers who went to prison.”

Where are these pictures? Where are the articles that detail this information? I am honestly unaware of such pictures existing and would like you to help me out here.

“Where were you all of the years the “left” criticized Bush/Cheney for coddling the Myanmar (Burmese) junta? Who exposed Cheney's business dealings with the Myanmar junta?”

Those business dealings were made in 1996 and were done for Haliburton. The deals were perfectly legal. While it is distasteful to me, nothing illegal was done. But honestly, I am at a loss as to what Bush / Cheney has to do with how the left humanitarian abuses. Bush and Cheney never invited a Burmese general to the White House…

“Who on the left supports Ahmedinijad? Gotta a name or 2?”

The media, which has been largely silent and disingenuous on the troubles going on there. Obama for refusing to get involved, when all the protesters have asked for is moral support (saying “Hey guys, we support what you are doing”). The UN for giving Iran a platform for it's calls for the destruction of Israel.

“Cuba's poverty could be diminished by lifting the 50- year long economic embargo around the island”

Every country in the world trades with Cuba, except for the US. Their misery is caused by their economy and the dictator who rules their lives. Nobody risks their and their children's lives to flee a country where hope exists.


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chrisjay
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

I'm a little confounded that you have not seen the widely disseminated photos of the smiling female GI posing with the corpse of the Iraqi prisoner at Abu Ghraib. Seymour Hersch did the most extensive investigative journalism on the scandal. His book about it was on the NYT Bestseller list.

I don't follow your dismissal of the Bush/Cheney record on Myanmar. You have a BIG blindspot there, my friend

On Iran: Oh, its the media. The Liberal Media. Riiiiight.

Cuba: I guess your irony was unintended “…every country in the world trades with Cuba except the US” : Even the typical Cubano-American in Florida thinks that's a stupid policy and I have news for you–most of them are not “leftists”


spidercmb
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

“Seymour Hersch did the most extensive investigative journalism on the scandal. His book about it was on the NYT Bestseller list.”
The guy is a kook. According to General Taguba (Hersh's source), a DETAINEE raped a 15 year old male detainee and a solider had sex (consensual or rape isn't mentioned in the report) with a female detainee. The US soldiers involved were punished. Why the pictures needed to be released, I don't know…Oh, that's right to enrage the Jihadists and help them recruit, so that more American Service men and women would die and the Left could call Bush / Cheney a failure. Bush failed in so many ways on his own, but the war on terror is one of the only things he did right.

“I don't follow your dismissal of the Bush/Cheney record on Myanmar. You have a BIG blindspot there, my friend”

If Bush and Cheney worked with Ming the Merciless to take over the world, it has NOTHING to do with the left's history of human rights violations. NO blindspot on my part, but rather on yours.

“I guess your irony was unintended “…every country in the world trades with Cuba except the US”"

There was no irony. It's not Ironic that the US is the only country to stand up for the rights of the Cuban people. And as for your BS statistic “Even the typical Cubano-American in Florida…” well, that's BS.

I'll let you have the last word, something tells me that your character is such that you must have it.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

My character? Anyone you disagree with is a kook. Anything you disagree with is BS. If this is about character, then I think you're a frickin' hypocrite.


Eric
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

Jelperman, a few soldiers tortured prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Once uncovered, those soldiers were brought up on charges and sent to prison. The US Government did not torture or murder anyone at Abu Ghraib, only individuals do that. Government officials discovered the actions going on and took action to stop it.


platanoman
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:39 am

The guy has an ego. Rathergate 2.0? I don't think so.


lumpy
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:41 am

chrisjay, Your real point had nothing to do with the conversation. You didn't suggest similar treatment; you suggested torture as punishment. Also, we don't suspect at all that the killer of the census worker shares our views. He's probably a drug dealer who thought the worker was a nark. So stop being an idiot and engage the real issues.

Andy, you're sick. No sane person EVER wanted to have a mullet after the 80s.


Andy
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:41 am

No, your half-wit point was well understood. I guess you long-haired maggot infested heroine addicted hippie types have too few brain cells left to comprehend that your point is based on nothing real — only drug induced fantasy. You see, the “domestic terrorist who lynched the census worker in Kentucky” may in fact be the census worker himself. Tell me, is it possible to terrorize yourself? The point is — you don't know, I don't know, the police don't know, and the Associated Press sure as hell does not yet know what happened to that census worker. You jump to conclusions, but then who can blame you, it isn't your fault. It is the drugs talking. You also use your one brain cell way too much since I never said I have a problem with torturing the domestic terrorist that lynched the census worker. If he knows of future plans for some mass-lynching of census workers, then yes, torture him to get the details. I certainly do not agree with killing or even permanently injuring someone to get information, but what we call “torture” these days is pretty much anything that a liberal might find the slightest bit “mean”.

BTW, I never use the word “gosh” unless I'm speaking the role of a liberal waffling on the “right decision”. And when I do that, I cover my mullet with a maggot infested long-haired hippie wig. It's cool.


lumpy
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:48 am

Helping turn kidnapped brown children into sex slaves, good.
Ending the torture of brown people and throwing their torturers in prison, bad.

Once you realize that, everything thesheriffsani says makes sense.


Andy
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:54 am

I'm assuming by “engineering the news” you mean reporting about someone else that “engineered the news”. Breitbart played no role in what O'Keefe and Giles filmed. Sure, what they did might be considered “engineering the news”, but what the hell do you call reporting on forged documents? And, no they weren't “allegedly forged”, they were forged and any idiot that has heard of a typewriter knows they were forged. It was a poor forgery. Period. What Dan Rather did in that case was definitely “engineering the news”. But the liberal media still protects the guy and he stands by his frickin' forged documents because they illustrate some truth that Dan Rather perceives.

The fact is ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc are all in the tank for Democrats. Besides the build-up to Iraq, can you name one other event in which they supported George W.? Not likely. This is hardly the type of treatment they are currently giving “the one”. I definitely agree they don't ask good questions anymore, especially since about mid-January of this year. BTW, I think you confuse Fox's “hard-on” for actual respect.


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 6:05 am

OBAMA will have to scream “RICO!”, when the G-Men start digging into Richard M[obster] Daley's 'Outfit'…


SDmatt
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 6:35 am

No, Fox is overblowing this story. Sure ACORN should be investigated, but Fox has given it disproportionate coverage as they have hardly covered the Blackwater and Halliburton scandals in comparison (these entities have taken in billions of federal dollars unlike ACORN, which has received $53 million total as not all of it is for registration). A recent study by college professors has noted much of the criticism of ACORN is overblown and that most stories fail to note 80.3% of the time it is ACORN itself filing the complaints regarding voting registration irregularities and don't go to ACORN officials for comment. Yes, the media should criticize Obama more for his failure to enact substantive regulatory changes thus far and his continuation of many of Bush's more controversial policies such as the invocation of state secretsprivileges that prevent certain detaintees from getting trials. The corporate MSM may favor Democrats, but like the party itself it hardly means they stand firm on many liberal issues.


WestWright
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 11:19 am

Breitbart rocks the NeoStalinista Left to it's core….but it's all good, right? The little lefty posters here sure seem to have their panties in a twist. “Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib”


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

If you’re a good, submissive Christian, a non-Zionist Jew (who doesn’t live in Israel), wear a bag on your head (women) and don’t drink alcohol, you can be a ‘dhimmi’ and live under Muslim rule.

Should you be a pagan, Buddhist, Hindu, or–God forbid–a Baha’i, they’ll kill you.

Actually, you should read that Qur’an some day…you’ll be amazed.


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

The ‘it’s racist to ID people’ line is just an excuse to get non-citizens to vote. Integrity in the elections process requires identification, PERIOD. Otherwise, you WILL have massive fraud (not just from non-citizen voters, but also repeat voters, &c.).

A side note: Canada recently had a kerfuffle over to crazy religious groups–Hutterites and Muslims. Hutterites didn’t want photo drivers’ ID (‘graven images’, or some religious mumbo-jumbo), but lost a court challenge over the issue in Alberta. Muslim women (occasionally, some of them are guys–really) with bags on their heads (the Niqab) have to actually show their faces now, to prove they are who they say they are, when they vote.


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Those nice Muslims (including the ‘moderate’ Sufis) are the ones banging little brown bums. Pederasty is as endemic to those rotten Islamic cultures as antisemitism and misogeny.


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

I’m old enough to remember Ronald ‘Pooped My Pants!’ Reagan’s Alzheimers’-addled decision to fund the Mujaheddin. Also, all of the slobbering, pro-raghead propaganda in the ‘conservative’ media: ‘Rambutt’ movies, National Review columns (maybe swishy old Bill Buckley fancied cavorting in the sand with one of these Mujaheddin lads, a la ‘Lawrence of Arserapia’). The IDIOTIC decision to support the Islamists–as a way of sucking up to the Gulf State Salafis–is what lead directly to the Taliban and the murder of 3,000 people on 9/11. Survivors of 9/11 victims should go and crap on Ronnie’s tomb.

BTW, I’m also the same age as Kate Beckinsale, but she went and married Len Wiseman. :-(


leonardgump
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

The only people killed at AbuGhraib were killed when the insurgents shelled the compound. Don't try to bring in the rumors you've heard otherwise. I was there!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

The Glenn Beck wingers aren’t gonna like you steppin’ all over their Obama=Hitler=Socialist meme with your sneaky history book tactics. Then you go and blow a perfectly good thought-bubble with that hackneyed NRA throwaway line.
Continuing your German timeline towards the present day, universal healthcare was restored to their society in 1945 by that infamous commie General George Marshall.


SDmatt
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

Unlikely the census worker would be able to do this to himself as he was “found hanging in a rural Kentucky cemetery naked, gagged and had his hands and feet bound with duct tape, said an Ohio man who discovered the body two weeks ago.” This is from an AP report published yesterday. Andy, there's no evidence that torture is or has been effective.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

You make them Muslins out to be as perverted as Catholic priests!


SDmatt
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Abu Ghraib is just one component of it. It is the utter disrespect for the law the Bush White House displayed throughout their time in power and that Republicans refuse to investigate. It is the disproportionate response from Congress specifically targeting ACORN when defense/military contractors who have done things far worse than ACORN employees are said to have allegedly done, have essentially been given a free pass by Republicans despite the billions of federal dollars they have raked in, while ACORN has taken in $53 million total and not all of it has gone to voter registration. Hopefully, the Defund Acorn Bill dfeunds such groups as well although it is highly unlikely, although specifically penalizing ACORN would seem to be a Bill of Attainder, which is illegal: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/09…


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

I'm sorry, we're too busy running the government and improving our great nation to bother with squirming.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

Qur’an–the companion volume to that other ancient tome filled with exhortations to kill, avoid random foodstuffs for superstitious reasons, and have sex with family members, the Old Testament. I don’t know any self-proclaimed Christians who follow all those examples, so exactly WTF is your point? Btw, do you still smell like bacon or didja clean up after every reading?
barrack HUSSEIN obama, jeez that must rankle you to no end lol.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Andrew that was the mushiest rebuttal I’ve seen since Palin tried to explain away all of her lame interview performances. FAIL


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

If they wanted to do that letter fraud, why didn't they just go to a garage sale, buy an old Underhill to bang it out on, instead of laser printing it?

(Rather=retard.)


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

If you want to REALLY make the 'left' media collectively crap its pants in anger, fight for the whitespace spectrum to be reallocated for broadband internet access, when the TV signals all go digital. Obama's administration has delayed the changeover date, said the $400M converter box coupon program is 'too costly' (after the nearly TRILLION-dollar stimulus splurge?) and the media-telecom industry is still fighting the Bush FCC's reallocation decision in court (you wonder why network employees, like the Colberts and Stewarts, keep recycling those hoary old Dubya jokes?).

Taking away the potential whitespace spectrum revenue stream will make these companies, all major Obama donors, scream “I'm melting!”


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

Vote fraud is the worst transgression committed with the conivance of ACORN. I can't understand how it's 'racist' to demand some sort of ID from voters–non-citizens shouldn't vote, PERIOD. Illegals should be thrown out of the country immediately; anyone employing illegals, bringing them in, or helping them in any way–including VOTING–should be thrown in jail for DECADES.

Also, why can't the U.S. be like every other developed country on the planet and use simple PAPER ballots? (Mark an 'x' next to the candidate, or yes/no box, on the ballot.) Enough of these fraud and failiure-prone Rube Goldberg contraptions, the latest of which run flakey, closed-source software.


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

THAT fraud was on par with some of the forged signatures of parents kids show to teachers on notes and such. Really, Rather–they'd've maybe believed it, if your people used a TYPEWRITER to prepare that fake letter, rather than Word and one of the office laser printers.


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

The Salafi and Sufi subcultures in Islam tolerate pederasty. Google “man love thursdays” and “Afghanistan”. (They were at it before NAMBLA.) And you wonder why I think 'western' cultures are superior?

I dunno about the 'left' (if you're talking about wealthy Democrats). However, a depressingly-large majority of Iranians supports Ahmedinajad. Far too many expat Iranians–especially, those whose families came BEFORE the Revolution–do, as well. They believe all his BS about Zionists and stuff, viewing him as some sort of Persian Che Guevera (who was also a murderous asshole, BTW).

Cuba is a cesspool. Before Fidel, it was run by the mob…most of whom fled to Florida (causing everyone else much grief). Forget the Hero of the People crap–Fidel and Bro are kleptocrats, who've squirreled away hundreds of millions in offshore accounts. Cuba also tried its hand at resource imperialism, in the Angolan civil war. Fidel was also swimming buddies with Pierre 'War Measures Act' Trudeau, and you can judge a man by the company he keeps.


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Hitler was a CORPORATIST. He gave fat contracts to corporate friends, like Junkers and Benz. The only banks and businesses he nationalised were those owned by Jews. The krankenkassen were left intact–German national health insurance dating back to the very UN-socialist Bismarck. You're right about gun control, though. Thanks to the complete civilian disarmament of Iran, there is NO way those protesters will ever be able to overthrow the Islamic regime.

Like Obama, the Bushes and Ronald Reagan, Hitler cozied-up to the bernouse-wearing Jew-haters in the oil-rich Gulf states.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Call me a leftist or a Stalinista–I couldn't care less what the label du jour is for anyone you disagree with: I'm for letting the chips fall where they may on an ACORN investigation. Same as with Whitewater, Plamegate, IraqContra–you name it. Depending on your inclination you'll get excited, then disappointed that the president you hate (fill in the name here) doesn't get drummed out of office (sorry Birfers you'll REALLY be disappointed). I must say, however, that the new lather over ACORN is especially interesting because of the unintended consequences which could obtain should the “Defund ACORN” bill moves forward. Remember, let the chips fall where they may…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 1:49 am

What the GOP is pushing for: do absolutely NOTHING


chrisjay
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Gosh Adam, I just came out of my drug-induced stupor, wiped the long, greasy hair out of my eyes and read your posting about how the census worker probably just killed himself. Funny, but it appears that only you and a couple of other upstanding and sober patriots believe that spin. See, while I was flyin' on illegal drugs the reports supporting politically-inspired homicide have begun to stack up and, boy, you suddenly look like a real HORSE'S ASS for going out on a limb with that suicide rationalization. Gotta go, my drug dealer's at the door. Cool.


Adam
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Wherever the chips fall, hopefully they'll spell the end of non-IDed voting. There should be a simple enumeration process, like in all other Western democracies, with MANDATORY (photo) ID and plain, old-fashioned PAPER ballots. Voter fraud should be SEVERELY punished (by a multidecade jail term).

This is a bit peripheral to the issue, but the Electoral College should also be scrapped.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

I guess I'll try to sort thru this brain belch: 'Some muslims are pedophiles, ergo Christianity rocks'? WTF?
I personally know ex-pat Persians. They rue the day Bush started saber rattling, because it ushered in the resurgence of hardliners back to power back home. After this week they'll probably feel the same way about Barry O.
Persian Che Guevara—-that's weak. BTW it is the right who's obsessed with Che; the left hasn't been for oh–35 yrs?
On the subject of Cuba, cesspool is probably fair enough. That's the irony Moore was getting at when comparing our healthcare to theirs in Sicko. Combover objected to my claim that the typical CubanoAmerican is tired of the embargo.He is out of date. Polls have shown that the obsessive need to punish the whole population in order to get even with Fidel has dropped off dramatically in the actuarial transition from the Batista-ite generation. The younger ones disagree, but the antiCastro lobby has historically had an outsized influence on lawmakers. BTW I'm here to direct Combover to a new article on this website (as of today) re the CIA'a s IG report on Abu Ghraib prisoners…you're invited too, Adam.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

Oh, you were there! Yeah, so was I. I was also in Hawaii when they fabricated a Birf certificate for Obama, and I was in Viet Nam when John Kerry snuck up on little Asian children so he could shoot them in the back. Aren't you Forrest Gump's brother? Yeah I remember you!


Adam
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 4:08 am

The German system was concieved by respectably-conservative Bismarck. The Sickness funds are paid for by payroll taxes (or welfare); they are NOT government-run, with a couple of acceptions. What Obama could learn from the Germans is that their system was NEVER employer-run, like the U.S. insurance system. Actually, though, ‘socialist’ systems (like the British and Spanish ones), or even (Canadian and Swedish-style) single payer ones are more cost-efficient. The NHS even has a FULLY-PRIVATE system operating alongside it (BUPA, &c.), but the Brits spend less dough on healthcare than just about anybody else.

Remember, it was the BUSH regime that (partially) nationalised the banks. However, what SHOULD’VE been nationalised were the credit-rating agiencies (Equifax, &c.). Their client-funded, rosy financial reports are a big part of what caused the subprime crisis. (Even people who worked for these firms thought a conflict of interest existed.) Somebody REALLY was asleep at the wheel, when nobody checked if insurers and reinsurers had adequate reserves. Also, the real estate market is a pyramid/ponzi-scheme, requiring constant population growth to keep that bubble inflated. This isn’t good for either the environment (urban sprawl), or long-term economic stability.

As for guns…there DOES have to be an armed citizenry, to protect a civil society. The current NYC gun control legislation, dating to 1911, was enacted by a corrupt New York government, because too many highwaymen couldn’t practise their trade on armed civilians. Finland, where most households had guns, kept the Russ-Soviet imperialists at bay. American Slaves were not allowed to own firearms, so they couldn’t overthrow their ‘masters’. Interestingly, the NRA was started by former Union Soldiers…the NRA was really a Blue State invention!


Adam
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 4:13 am

At least the kiddie-diddlers the Church coddles had the decency NOT to write erotic, pederast poetry! :@


Anonymous
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 4:36 am

Man, you are crazy, LOL. Anyway, what do you expect will happen to ACORN? The bulk of their funding doesn’t come from the government, and they don’t seem particularly distressed at the prospect of losing it. On the other hand, many people who favor the kind of good works they do either didn’t know they existed, or didn’t know they were still around in any effective form. Now they know, and many will support them. ACORN will come out of this fine, I think. Just like the stimulus bill, the auto company bailout, and eventually, healthcare reform, all the angiushed screaming, all the lies, and all the mass temper tantruns won’t stop the important things from happening:).


Andy
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 4:54 am

Dude, you again miss my point. When you posted (and I paraphrase) that he was killed by an anti-government conservative, you did not know the facts. That is simply a fact. I will concede maybe it will turn out to be exactly as you assumed, but I don’t personally jump to such conclusions without evidence. Also, there is nothing about conservatism that is inherently anti-government — it is for small government which in itself acknowledges that government plays a role. We just think it should be a smaller role. The founding fathers of this country would agree with that assertion.

And, yes, waffles do sound good. This is my last post since you are clearly one to just jump to conclusions.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 5:57 am

Mmmmmmmm. Bacon


Adam
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 6:16 am

Barack Hussein Obama, Part II, like his dad, is NO ‘Muslim’. Barry-O’s dad liked smoking pipes (Haram), drinking (Haram) and banging Christian chicks (Haram, but–like the other two–lotsa fun and how Barry-O came into the world). The ‘Hussein’ part of the Obama’s name means zip, as far as his religious affiliation is concerned. He IS a Christian…though he may have regretted this, after the Rev. Wright shit hit the fan. Not that all his sucking up (bowing, &c.) to Muslims will do any good, though: apostasy is punishable by DEATH under Shari’a.

Aside from being the only religion to prescribe death for converts, Islam has a few other nice facets. For instance, there isn’t anything like Reform Judaism (treating the Mitzvot as ‘suggestions’), figurative interpretations of religious texts (like the Catholic take on Genesis), &c. The Qur’an is considered THE WORD OF GOD. No Exceptions. No ‘suggestions’.That goes for beating your wife, too. According to Muslim dogma, the Qur’an is actually THE EXACT WORD OF GOD, right down to a word-for-word copy, etched in stone, in Heaven (in Classical Arabic, of course). This has, not surprisingly, made teaching about Islam in comparative religion classes a touchy subject. Even mentioning that, since Mohammed screwed Aisha when she was NINE, the Muslim ‘prophet’ was a child molestor, will get you into Salman Rushdie-level fatwa trouble.

Also, just for a lark, introduce yourself to a roomfull of Muslims as a Baha’i. See what happens. You can equivocate all you want, but Islam truly is a different kettle of rotten, wormy fish than any other religious-cultural system.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 7:01 am

Adam, I seem to have conflated you & your posts with those of “Andy”, so my apologies for any responses to you lately which may have seemed unaccountably obnoxious or simply irrelevant— my bad


Adam
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 3:44 am

Islam is the only religion that promises jihadi 'martyrs' a gangbang in the afterlife, with 72 prostitutes of indeterminate gender. I rest my case.

I've met too many Iranian-(Americans/Canadians/Britons) who are sympathetic to the current regime. Not a majority, but a[n] [un]healthy minority. Not just in Shi'a Islam, but other strains, there is also a disturbingly-large number of women who LIKE the Islamist gender-relations pattern and attire. If a woman has a bag on her head, it's a great equalizer: you can't tell Rosie O'Donnell from Megan Fox, if both are clad in a burka. As recent arrests keep proving, Islamic immigrants and Saudi-funded Salafi mosques are a dangerous fifth column in the west.

Too many idiotic lefty youngsters (and not so young people) adore Che. Who do you think keeps buying all those Che T-shirts–Young Republicans?

I, too, think that the embargo is an idiotic idea. No more idiotic, though, than the embargo of Apartheit-era South Africa. Both were/are brutally-repressive regimes, that nobody in good concience should've supported by commerce. However, wrecking South Africa's economy didn't put it onto the path of eventual political stability. When the commie system finally falters, as it did in Albania, there will be a mess.

The U.S. also should NOT have admitted all of those Cuban refugees. Like many commie escapees (Vietnam, China), the Cuban wave had a substantial number of criminals, who set up shop in their new country. Also, ethno-linguistic tensions are a BIG problem, in U.S. states (such as Florida) with substantial Latin populations. This is not a 'race' issue, but an ETHNO-LINGUISTIC one. A democracy really requires ethno-linguistically coherency. You can't have a civil society, when a large proportion of the population refuses to function in the majority language. Also, the U.S.'s disastrous Cuba policy is largely written by demographically, politically and financially (donations and outright bribery) influential, and somewhat criminal, Cuban expat lobby.


leonardgump
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 4:12 am

I am glad you were there for all that other sh!t but I don't recall you at AbuGhraib. You see, unlike many posers on the left, we on the right have served our nation well in the military. And I was actually there to investigate the medical aspects of the care of detainees in the 'special compound' where the “atrocities” supposedly took place. You can smirk all you like but it too is as meaningless as the WON's promises.


Plantsmantx
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 4:21 am

They cheated at voter registration…only to turn in the bad registrations some of their employees produced themselves? That makes no sense.


Plantsmantx
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 4:25 am

“are you saying that the 8 BILLION in the stimulus pkg is pocket change.”

$8 billion anywhere isn't pocket change, but what you're spewing here is just another zombie lie. That's what I can't understand about y'all. Even when you might have the germ of a point, you still can't help piling lies on…weird.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 4:38 am

Say hello to my little friend…the economy of S Africa can hardly be characterized as 'commie' .Read 'Shock Doctrine'—-it'll get'cha up to speed on Friedman's follies there.


Adam
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 5:52 am

South Africa under the Afrikaaners' dictatorship was a sluggish, bureaucratized, corporatist dog. Now, under the ANC's defacto dictatorship, it's just another 3rd World kleptocracy. Never was 'socialist', never will be.


Jelperman
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

No, a few small fry were put on trial. Donald Rumsfeld still walks the streets, even though he approved of the use of torture.


Jelperman
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

I was assuming for the sake of argument that the Republitards' case against ACORN was true. Of course their “case” is racist paranoia over black people being able to vote. But even if we play along and assume that everything they say about ACORN is true, it still doesn't compare to Abu Ghraib, where children were raped, prisoners were tortured, and at least one inmate was murdered.

When ACORN rapes, tortures and kills people, Andrew Breitbart will have a case. Until then, he's a race-baiting ethical pustule.


Andrew
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:26 am

What a waste of money. They get $53 million in tax payer money and then tell people they “need to join ACORN” to get these services supposedly paid for by taxpayers. Or for that matter the embezzlement of $1 million of that by the brother of ACORN’s founder. Thanks for getting the facts out there Urban16, it’s good to see even Democrats have sense about this issue.


Andrew
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:34 am

Sure, if there are other contractors who are not corrupt where our contracts could go instead. If ACORN were the only org helping poor people, then I’d take a different stance. But there are many others (Salvation Army) so our money should go there.

And yes, corruption should be investigated wherever it lies. This is in fact the case for Halliburton and other military contractors, and a number of criminal trials have gone forward against them. Good, there should be more.


Andrew
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:36 am

And that isn’t even a rebuttal, just an ad hominem. EPIC FAIL.


Andrew
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:24 am

Congratulations, you watch Rachel Maddow (I'm assuming that's where you got your information about this study). That study cherry picked data, focusing just on the poor way the media reported on ACORN voter fraud while ignoring most of the data set. That's bad science, and doesn't really even count as a study. Yes, the media did a poor job reporting on the voter registration fraud related aspects. But that's not a demonstration of bias, since many of those same articles failed to note that ACORN hid the embezzlement of almost one million dollars for over a year. Furthermore, and even more damaging, ACORN has been shown to charge people for things already paid for by taxpayers. In two of the different videos ACORN requests that people join ACORN (for $120 a year) to attend a housing conference which is supposed to be free and wholly paid for by my and your tax dollars. That's fraudulent and not something the Salvation Army or many other charity organizations are guilty of, our tax money should go there, not ACORN. That's just my opinion, perhaps you like wasting money.


Andrew
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:29 am

Right, so you prefer our tax money go to an organization which charges poor people for free government programs. In the videos, they request that people join ACORN to attend a housing seminar that you and I already paid for. That's ACORN bilking the poor. And for years, ACORN covered up the theft of $1 million of their (and by extension our) money. Did the Salvation Army do these things? No. Let's send our money to organizations which help poor people without wasting money or getting so caught up in politics. ACORN can do what they like, just not with our money.

Or are you seriously arguing that any bad behavior by anyone anywhere should be excused so long as it does not exceed what happened at Abu Ghraib? If that's the case, then you truly do have a pathetically low moral standard.


Andy
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

No, Chrisjay, your knee-jerk reaction is to be obnoxious. Read through all of my posts and point out where I even mention religion. Didn’t happen. So, you weren’t responding to Andy, you were responding to “Adam” and “Adam” just gave you a smack-down. And from what I’ve read of Adam’s posts, he speaks uncomfortable truths and liberals, in general, do not care for uncomfortable truths. This is why we have political correctness.


Andy
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 1:19 pm

ACORN is getting a large sum of money from the stimulus, that is, unless the are put out of business. No, there is probably no line item on the bill that says: ACORN – $8 billion. The $8 billion figure is probably a little high anyway, but they will get money and plenty of it. Read this article from January 2009, which is something not tainted by the recent ACORN debates. They don’t use the $8 billion figure, but they do speak in billions going to ACORN type work.

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/01/27/acorns-stimulus


Anonymous
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

You’d have to go way back before this past January to find something on the right that is not “tainted by the ACORN debate”. But…this is silly. Someone looked at the stimulus legislation, totaled up all the money that could theoretically be applied for by ACORN and all other groups that do one or more of the things that ACORN does, and came to the conclusion that ACORN is “slated to receive”…whatever dollar figure. It’s not just dishonest, it’s dishonest and embarrassingly stupid.


Andy
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

And why shouldn’t “the right” consider ACORN to be tainted? They are essentially a federally funded Democrat organization. “Get out the vote” means “Get out the Democrat vote”. At any rate, spare me the righteous outrage at some insignificant “lie” told about a political issue. This is no different than the lie told by Democrats (Obama) on how many Americans do not have health insurance. It went from 46 million during the presidential campaign to 30 million in a recent Obama speech. Quite a different number, eh? Does that mean 16 million Americans have gotten health insurance in just over 9 months? No, the 46 million figure was always a lie. “The right” knew it was a lie during the campaign and now the sudden reduction in that figure is an admission that “the right” was indeed right. The point is, this sort of exaggeration happens on both left and right and it is a part of politics. It seems only to be called a “lie” when “the right” is talking. Besides, prove the $8 billion figure is wrong and “the right” will shut up.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

It’s not outrage, it’s just an observation. it is dishonest and stupid to say that ACORN is going to get $8 bn (or whatever) of the stimulus money beacuse that’s how much is appropriated for projects that ACORN might possibly be able to perform. Because the bulk of their funding doesn’t come from the federal government, they’re not “essentially a federally funded Democrat (sic) organization”. In fact, I’m sure they’ll survive without it, if that comes to pass.”This is no different than the lie told by Democrats (Obama)…”Strawman. “Besides, prove the $8 billion figure is wrong and “the right” will shut up.”Prove the $8 billion figure is wrong in what sense? Prove that $8 billion wasn’t set aside for ACORN?

One more thing- at this point, the very last thing I want is for the right to shut up, LOL.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

Andy, if you think Adam gave me a ‘smackdown’ well by all means give him a standing O. Actually I have no problem giving him props for his broad knowledge and posts that almost always make me chuckle.You, on the other hand ARE obnoxious.Yes, I’ve been known to be uncivil and I’ll certainly respond in kind to know-nothing posers like yourself, but Adam seems unflappable and my apology and admiration are sincere. You don’t know the difference between conflate and confuse, which doesn’t suprise me at all…


Andy
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

You are correct that the federal govt is not ACORN’s only source of funding — Obama also gave them 800K to “get out the vote”. Do you suppose Obama was paying them to register Republicans? If so, I have a whole new respect for Obama. But we all know he didn’t pay them to register a single Republican.

No, pointing out the same sort of exaggeration on the Democrat side is not a “strawman”. It is an example of how this sort of thing gets out of hand. The 46 million number was repeated by *every* pro-healthcare reform politician and media person. Just like, wherever it came from, the anti-criminal organization (i.e. anti-ACORN) crowd now gladly repeats the $8b number. It may not be a true number, but someone somewhere quoted the number and now it gets repeated. Obama himself let us know he was lying all along about the 46 million. At some point in the future, we may find out the real funding for ACORN and the $8b will no longer be mentioned. I agree, it sucks that the false numbers are used since the real numbers would be bad enough. But, your concern about the $8b is clearly partisan since you don’t seem to care that Dems do the same sort of thing.

One more thing, I always find it interesting that none of us want “the other side” to shut up. I too want folks like you to keep talking, it can only help our cause. I only wish Democrat politicians (including Obama) thought more like you, since they are clearly bent on shutting up “the other side”.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

We’ll find out soon enough if your outrage over ACORN is selective–when compared alongside other fraud perps against the gov’t, documented in a color-coded format charted & graphed for you viewing pleasure…I’ll be waiting for your lame rationalizations…or you can prove me wrong.


Andy
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

You conflated Adam’s posts with mine, which lead to your confusion (which, as I pointed out seems odd given that I didn’t post anything about religion and, in the current thread, Adam does comment on religion). But, like I said, your knee-jerk reaction is to be obnoxious, otherwise, why does it matter *who* is posting if content actually mattered to you?

But I do always enjoy the fallback liberal response of insulting an individual’s intelligence. I really am quite intelligent and earn a good living writing computer software. But I would rather spend my free time reading the latest IEEE spectrum or learning about a new microcontroller board or building and programming a robot or messing around with MATLAB/Octave on digital signal processing or re-learning the details of Fourier analysis. I am quite capable at all of these things. The point is, you don’t know anything about me and nothing I’ve posted here reveals my character or intellect (such as knowing the difference between conflate and confuse). Just point to a comment I’ve made that is provably false and I’ll concede to all my obnoxiousness. Doesn’t matter, though, I have to get back to my real job and I am done with this comment thread.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

I don’t particularlarly care about the number. No matter what it is (or is supposed to be), the idea that it’s somehow pledged to ACORN is crazy, paranoid, and ridiculous, and it’s illustrative of why I want you all to keep on talking, LOL. You’re right in one respect, though…I am partisan. No doubt about it. And?

“Obama also gave them 800K to “get out the vote”.”

Yeah, he paid an organization that is associated with ACORN to “get out the vote”. And? It was legal.

“Obama himself let us know he was lying all along about the 46 million. At some point in the future, we may find out the real funding for ACORN and the $8b will no longer be mentioned.”

Do you really think that throwing up the strawman of the “46 million” and then conflating it with the non-existent “ACORN funding” is slick, and not clumsy as hell?

Yes, please..keep talking, loon:).


Anonymous
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

For someone so intent on displaying his/her intellect, your remark about how it is the nature of the ‘liberal’ to insult ones intelligence is so demonstrably small-minded that any number of boasts about robot programming won’t change the self-defeating essence of your tirade. Give it a rest.


toptwome
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

I never heard of this guy until the last couple of weeks. What is puke!! When Bush and Cheney republicanized the government, no big deal that they screwed everything up. ACORN helped people and worked to register voters that would vote Democratic. Now that is an issue for neocon thugs who prey on Fox Newsless viewers and weak minded criminal types to really go wacko about. Not the real criminal disaster that republicans were to our country. Lets demonize ACORN for being something conservatives hate a lot.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

AMAZING THAT THE TRUTH AND FACTS ALWAYS HAVE A LIBERAL TILT HUH??


Anonymous
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

FACTS BACK YOUR LIES UP WITH FACT TURD


Anonymous
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

FACTS TO BACK THAT UP?? ANOTHER WIDE STANCE BATHROOMER WITH NOTHING BUT LIES AND NOTHING TO BACK THEM UP


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Yes, indeed, we are starting to sound like you people suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome over the last 8 (and counting) years. Hopefully we don’t sink so low…

And, BTW, the 800K originally wasn’t legal since Obama incorrectly filed the work done by the ACORN subsidiary with the FEC. He was caught and had to amend the filing.

“Conflate” must the liberal word of the day. I am not conflating anything — I am using the 46mil as a counter-example of how this type of “fun with numbers” is common in the political arena. I acknowledge they are completely different instances and therefore I cannot be conflating them. And even though you “don’t particularly care about the number”, you have spent an inordinate amount of time whining about a bunch of loons throwing around “the number”. Keep it, simpleton.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Why don't you read the parallel article about SCOTUS deliberating on the release of more prisoner abuse photos, in and outside of Abu Ghraib. Whether the photos should be released is a question worthy of debate: with deniers like you & Spidercombover, though, I have to wonder how you can still make believe it didn't happen—if you don't have to look at photos then I guess it didn't happen, right?


chrisjay
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

IIf you want to see a low moral standard, just look at the double standard people in Congress and people here have about comparative fraud. Your righteous indignation rings hollow.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

You don't need to watch infotainment to be aware of how peculiar your newborn indignation over fraud against the gov't appears.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:34 am

“Death panels”, “He’s a Muslim”, “He’s a Nazi…commie…socialist”, “He is going to give all our money to ACORN”, “Healthcare reform is stealth reparations for unsederving blacks”, “He’s a racist who favors blacks”, “He’s not a citizen”…you know I could type all night. Not sink as low? It’s wayyyyy to late to hope for that, LOL.”And, BTW, the 800K originally wasn’t legal since Obama incorrectly filed the work done by the ACORN subsidiary with the FEC.”But not illegal to hire that organization, though…right?:) We’re winning. All the footstamping, mass temper tantrums, the desperate attempt to “play crazy”, and raise such holy hell that the rest of white America would say “Hey, alright. If it upsets you that much, we won’t vote him in again…golly!”…all that, and you haven’t been able to stop anything important from happening. Keep “playing crazy”. And we’ll keep winning, despite it all;).

You all are screaming because you’re getting your behinds kicked.


Jack
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

Uh, you said it yourself. “ACORN … worked to register voters that would vote Democratic”. Well, they receive taxpayer money to operate. Not just the democrats taxes, like, “Check this box if you would like to contribute to ACORN, a community organization that works to get democrats to vote”, no, but money from ALL taxpayers. MY tax money too and yeah I do hate that a lot. They receive FEDERAL dollars and work for just ONE SIDE of the political system. That's as corrupt as a government can get!


Gus
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

I don't know that he's a monster, but he sure is a douchebag.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

HEY DUMBASS PLEASE SITE THE CASES THAT ACORN HAVE BEEN PROVEN GUILTY OF


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

YEAH JUST LIKE BLACKWATER, DYCORE, HALIBURTON, WHACKENHUT ARE YOU DRINKING OUT OF YOUR BOYFRIENDS ASS AGAIN ASSHOLE?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

FACTS MEAN NOTHING TO THE NO TEETH HIGH SCHOOL DROP OUT BUNCH DAMN YOU ARE STUPID


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

Goebbels had a baby named Andy,
And Andy liked to play,
He paid people to make up lies,
and then little Andy got paid.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

SO IN OTHER WORDS HE IS TAKING ON FACTS. NO MATTER WHAT THE FACTS TELL YOU YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO FAUX NEW DRUDGE BECK HANITY AND THE REST OF US LIE AND SPIN AND TELL YOU HOW YOU SHOULD THINK AND WHAT THOSE SO CALLED LIBERAL FACTS REALLY MEAN!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

REALLY? THEY CHARGE?? PLEASE DO YOU HAVE FACTS TO BACK THAT UP OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF YOUR ANUS ALONG WITH THAT 10 INCH DILDO?


tgb1000
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

Poor Andrew, another Republican martyr. “Willing to be called a monster”. So brave he is.


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:22 am

HEY DUMBASS, ever heard of “Google”? Try entering these words in one of those fancy search engines: “acorn voter fraud guilty”. Here are multiple guilty pleas in three different states (and this is after only 30 seconds of searching):

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews…
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow/news2007/franklin…
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/08/20/acorn…


SDmatt
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Andy, voter registration fraud is just that. It isn't stuffing the ballots.


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 4:27 am

Agreed, but not sure what that has to do with republicanstupidity wanting proof of guilty ACORN employees. But, also, isn't registering Mickey Mouse and then possibly voting for Mickey just another form of stuffing the ballot box.


SDmatt
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 6:00 am

Except, as far as I know, there hasn't been evidence that anybody has voted under these fake names. For example, take this quotation from the first article you linked to: “No votes were cast in the names of the phony voters. Prosecutors said the defendants committed fraud in order to keep their jobs without actually registering voters.”


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:50 pm

Hey Stupid, again you need to discover the new invention — the search engine. Here are two articles found after 2.5 seconds of searching:

http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/15/exclusive-acorn-illegally-operating-in-maryland/
http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/?tag=acorn-baltimore-office

What does it mean for ACORN to operate without a license? I don’t know and don’t care, but StLucie’s statement was factual and you, again, are shown to be an idiot that can’t use a search engine (they are free to use, BTW).


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

The search engine idiot (that apparently doesn’t read) strikes again. Here is an article about the $120/year membership fee (since you don’t read, you could also watch the video and hear for yourself that they want him to pay for services):

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The embezzlement issue is also widely known, so try the search engine, please.


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

The search engine idiot (that apparently doesn’t read) strikes again. Here is an article about the $120/year membership fee (since you don’t read, you could also watch the video and hear for yourself that they want him to pay for services):

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Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

I know the trick, it isn’t a secret: change the argument when you are losing it. I don’t usually use the technique because it is counter-productive and annoying. Who ever said hiring ACORN (via a subsidiary) was illegal? No one, but here you are puffing your chest and sarcastically questioning whether hiring the company was illegal. Of course it wasn’t but it was in the manner in which they did it.

Nothing important has happened so how is that all our foot-stamping hasn’t stopped anything. What did I miss? They closed Gitmo? No. They passed the health care largess? No. They got us out of Iraq? No. We are out of Afghanistan? No. We are a “friend of the world”? No. Iran’s nuclear ambitions have been neutralized? No. We balanced the budget? No. Unemployment is below 9%? No. The housing market is stable? No. The Wall St. fat cats have been neutered? No. I could type all day on what hasn’t been accomplished…


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Besides the fact that stuffing the ballot box has nothing to do with anything begin discussed here until you brought it up, can prosecutors prove that no votes were cast under all phony registrations? No, they only know the people they caught and the phony registrations from those people did not cast votes. That was one article = one instance, and there are many other instances in many other states that could have cast votes under their own phony registrations. Don't you suppose a criminal organization would train their criminal underlings to have a story at the ready? The mafia does the same sort of thing. But never mind, all I was pointing out is that ACORN employees have indeed been convicted of voter related fraud and they aren't isolated cases.


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Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

Now fellows, it's a tradition in the Democratic party for dead people to vote! Why not animated characters as well? I know for a fact it goes back to LBJ in Texas and the first Daily Machine in Chicago at least.


beckjr2000
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

You are truly one of the great intellects of our time!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

HEY NUTSACK WANNA TELL EVERYONE THAT IT WAS ACORN THAT SHOWED THAT FRAUDLNT REGESTRATION FORMS TO LIGHT?? BY LAW!!!! OF COURSE NOT YOU ARE A TEABAGGER FACTS MEAN NOTHING TO YOUR STUPID ASS….. WHY DON'T YOU GO FOR THE REAL CRIMINALS BLACKWATER ELECTROCUTING SOLIDERS WHY DO REPUBLICANS HATE OUR TROOPS??


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

You are clearly obsessed with the two sexual organs dangling between my legs. Weird, given that we've never met. But this is definitely the incoherent sentence of the day: “WANNA TELL EVERYONE THAT IT WAS ACORN THAT SHOWED THAT FRAUDLNT REGESTRATION FORMS TO LIGHT?? BY LAW!!!!”. BTW, I think all real criminals should be prosecuted and even though you are too dense to see it, ACORN has many of those “real criminals” working for them.

I am not a lawyer, but WTF does that mean? Changing the argument only works when you change it to something half-way coherent. No one here is talking about showing “FRAUDLNT REGESTRATION FORMS TO LIGHT”. And I'm not picking on your spelling mistakes, we all make those, but knowing the words isn't enough to understand what they mean when placed together to form a sentence.


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

Actually, just found this article about stuffing the ballot box by a group (political party) known as Working Families Party which is a wholly owned subsidiary of ACORN:

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?…

Now everyone should be happy.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

YOU REALLY ARE A DENSE FUCK ON WHAT PLANET DO YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR TIME?? TELL US SHIT FOR BRAINS LYING ASSHOLE, HOW MANY OF THOSE SO CALLED VOTERS…IE MICKEY MOUSE DONALD DUCK REALLY VOTED?? BTW YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF UD TO EVEN VOTE… YOU RETARD REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN AFTER ACORN FOR YEARS IE KARL ” I AM A FAGGOT” ROVE THE US ATTORNEYS, COME ON PUSSY BOY I LOOK AT THE FACTS NOT YOUR LYING ASS…IDIOT UNEDUCATED POS


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

HERE WE GO AGAIN…ANDY ITS YOUR TURN AT THE DRIVE THRU IDIOT BASTARD


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Reject: first you claimed that ACORN committed voter fraud. We kindly pointed out that they did not.

Then you claimed that registration fraud is a federal crime. We kindly pointed out that it is not

You claimed 30 convictions. We kindly pointed out that there is not a single verifiable source for this information.

You have been vicimized by a campaign of misinformation designed to inflame people against ACORN. Again, I say to you, if there is some proof of systemic fraud, where is it?

One could easily use this same anecdotal approach to evidence to shut down the Republican party (or the Democratic party, if that better suits your agenda). This entire issue is built upon a fabric of lies and half-truths.

See, in America (you know, the great nation we ardently defend) a person or an organization is innocent until proven guilty. It is nice that you allow yourself the luxury of accepting flawed information to convict an entire organization of the abuses that only a handful of its employees have committed.

Using that logic, the entire country is guilty of something.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/28/david-…


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

INDISPUTABLE FACTS REGARDING ACORN

1. ACORN has never been charged with, nor convicted of, ANY_CRIME.
2. ATTEMPTED voter registration_fraud is NOT ballot_fraud.
3. ACORN receives only 2% of it's funding from the government.
4. ACORN itself collects information, and REPORTS IT to the government, on attempted voter registration_fraud.
5. The _pim*p/pr0stitute_ incident was a matter of INDIVIDUALS making bad choices, NOT ACORN itself.
6. Defunding ACORN opens the gates WIDE to defund other entities with legal issues who are being funded by the FED._BLACK­WATER,_HAL­IBURTON,_K­BR, come to mind

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/28/david-…


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

Fact: They are non-partisan and performing services to the community.

Fact: They are entitled to to funding just like church and abstinence groups, whether you like them or not.

Fact: ACORN is the target of right-wing funding of lobbyists in D.C.

Fact: ACORN is being smeared with lies, false accusations and paid propaganda

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/28/david-…


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Repubs like to talk about silly things like acorn, mustard, teleprompters, census, indoctrination and offer NO solutions to any of the problems this country is facing. The only solution they offer is tax cuts for the rich. Where are their solutions for the things Americans REALLY care about like jobs, healthcare, education, ending the w a rs, and climate change. They have NONE so they like to distract the American people with non issues.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

One point that often gets overlooked in the current freak-out over ACORN, is that the US attorney firings were, in part, a different manifestation of the same Republican-driven campaign to discredit and sideline the group that we've seen recently.

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow last night interviewed David Iglesias, and reminded us that Iglesias was fired in large part for not pursuing bogus voter fraud cases tied to ACORN. The New Mexico GOP, along with Karl Rove, understood that hampering the registration of poor and minority voters was crucial to boosting Republicans' chances in the minority-heavy state. And that pressuring law enforcement to bring voter fraud cases implicating ACORN, despite the lack of evidence, was the best way to do it


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

Now you are focused on my ASS?!? But you wouldn't know a “FACT” if it hit you in the face. You DO NOT need an UD (I assume you mean ID), which is the whole reason for concern with regards to ACORN's voter fraud. They could actually vote for Mickey Mouse since an ID is NOT required. If you don't even get that, you should not be allowed to use the Internet. Please provide some of those FACTS you keep yelling about that prove you need an ID to vote (either that or define the acronym “UD” for this dense fuck).

And, please, fix your caps lock key, it must be stuck? FYI, iyou push it again, it turns off the caps lock. See? Ahhh, darn thing has been “stuck” for years, huh?


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

You quote the comments of nicole473 from HuffingtonPost as FACTS? Geesh, that means I can make up some shit and then quote it here as FACT?


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

Another quote from nicole473 of HuffingtonPost. You ACORN nuts are clearly having “fun with words” to defend ACORN in this way. ACORN fires their people before they can be charged, therefore they are suddenly in no way associated with ACORN even though they committed their “crimes” while employed by ACORN? I'm guessing you wouldn't extend the same sort of logic to an entity like Enron or Haliburton.

1. Here is a NY Times article that disputes nicole473 of HuffingtonPost on her claim #1 (i.e. ACORN itself as well as current employees have been charged with crimes):

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.ht…

2. There is this unhealthy obsession with parsing which type of fraud was really committed by ACORN and/or its former employees. I just wonder why former ACORN employees plead guilty to anything when they apparently committed no crime. I bet the guilty people wished you or nicole473 would have been their lawyers.

3. That is 2% too much.

4. Good for them, but why do they report these people if they have not committed a crime? Odd.

5. Agreed, but they work for ACORN and the fact that multiple offices in multiple different cities essentially supported enslaving young girls as prostitutes indicates a “corporate level” problem in which ACORN itself is the problem, not a bunch of individuals with no connection other than ACORN.

6. Possibly, but so what. If those other entities are abusing their funding, then cut them off as well.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

FUCK ALL THE BLOG BULLSHIT FAGGOT BRING YOUR PUNK ASS OUT OF YOUR MAMMYS BASEMENT TALK THAT LYING BULLSHIT TO MY FACE OR YOU JUST A BLOW HARD PUSSY? YOU ARE A LYING POS FUCK YOU I WILL MEET YOUR SILLY ASS ANYTIME ANYPLACE ANYWHERE MORON


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

HEY PRICK I LIVE IN KENTUCKY BEFORE I COULD EVEN VOTE I HAD TO SHOW ID YOUR FUCKING LIES SHOW THAT YOU ARE A IDOIT SOB PRICK


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/Text.aspx?page=3…


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

http://www.sos.louisiana.gov/tabid/457/Default….


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/2401.htm


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

http://www.sos.georgia.gov/elections/Voting_inf…


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

In fact, you are correct about certain states and I commend your use of the search engine! I can no longer think of you as the “search engine idiot”. But we are both correct. I've lived in two different states, Kansas and Maryland, neither of which require _any_ identification. They simply take your word for it that you are who you say you are. Here is a summary of the states that require ID (only 25 do at this time but look for more to added):

http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16602


Andy
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Your ability to reason and debate are a true credit to your liberal ideology. But the brain seems to have separated from the body and has left the building. I would love to meet you but I don't think I would get a word in considering you probably talk in “ALL CAPS” just like you type.

Nice “talking” with you, but this PUNK ASS MAMMY BASEMENT BLOW HARD PUSSY LYING POS FUCK SILLY ASS MORON is signing off this thread…


SDmatt
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

We'll have to wait and see whether the evidence holds up in court. Of course, this is troubling if true and rightly should be investigated, but even in this case the voter fraud wasn't widespread and it doesn't necessarily mean they are doing this everywhere they have a presence.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

Here is Acorn's great CRIME. Over the last 10 years they have successfully registered many poor and minority voters, who tend to vote Democrat, although Acorn never tells people who to vote for. They have also helped get the minimum wage raised. These are the real crimes for which they have been made prey.

As for that sting video, with the two little suburban kids wearing pimp & ho costumes, where's the footage showing them getting thrown out of some other Acorn offices; because they were. So, they kept going until they found a few idiots willing to go along with what looked like a joke; cause I still don't believe any one would have really thought that was a real pimp & ho. Puh-leeze


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

No one in ACORN was every convicted of “voter fraud”…

Fraudulent voter REGISTRATIONS are investigated at local, state, and federal levels, and have sometimes resulted in criminal convictions for ACORN employees … huge difference between ACORN turning in & convicting employees who committed voter REGISTRATION fraud.

Ho hum …

Now lets talk about the crimes of Halliburton aka Blackwater founder Erik Prince who smuggled US W E A P O N S into IRAQ on his private jet to sell to the enemy ..


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

IT'S CALLED A PROVISIONAL BALLOT DUMBASS TRY AGAIN DROPOUT DAMN YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

LIBERAL?? YES OI AM THAT MEANS I HAVE COMMON SENSE PUSSY INSTEAD OF BEING MINDFUCKED BY RUSH LIMBALLS STUPID BASTARD


johnsawyer
Comment posted October 1, 2009 @ 9:25 am

Problem is, those other entities ARE abusing their funding, but nothing will be done about it other than to renew their contracts, and to give them new ones.


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