Orly Taitz’s Client Files A Complaint Against Her

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Saturday, September 19, 2009 at 10:23 am

Bad news for Orly Taitz, the indefatigable birther attorney. On September 17, she filed a motion of consideration on behalf of her client Capt. Connie Rhodes, asking for her deployment to be delayed. It was, typically for Taitz, overheated and incoherent: “[T]his court ignores some of the soundest and most carefully researched and professionally assembled and presented evidence, collated and substantiated by a former agent of England’s Fabled ‘Scotland Yard.’”

Taitz’s motion was dismissed in an exasperated decision by Judge Clay Land that should definitely be read in full–I’ve provided an excerpt after the jump. (Erick Erickson of RedState is a fan of the dismissal.)

But the twist today comes from Capt. Rhodes herself. She has sent a letter to Judge Clay Land, blasting Taitz for filing the motion to stay her deployment without even asking her.

I do not wish for Ms. Taitz to file any future motions or represent me in any way in this court. It is my plan to file a complaint with the California State Bar due to her reprehensible and unprofessional actions.

Full letter after the jump.

RHODES v MacDONALD – 18 – Letter regarding from plaintiff regarding withdrawal of motion to stay – Gov.usco…

And one of the more amusing bits from Judge Land’s dismissal.

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506 Comments

mfpdx
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

Too flippin' funny for words! Of course I don't think any more of the idiot soldier trying to get out of her job by smearing our LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT than I do 'Oraly', lol!

It's time these stupid people realize that acting insane is not going to get them anything; Taitz s/b locked up in an asylum!

Q: What the hell do we have libel and slander laws for if not to punish those who spread outright despicable lies that hurt the other person?????


neilends
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

These documents are incredibly entertaining to read. And there's only more to come. We shall soon be able to feast our eyes on Orly's response to Judge Land's order to show cause why she shouldn't be sanctioned $10,000!

I am amazed by her complete disregard for the court's original order and warning, not to mention of her ethical obligations to her (now former) client. I suspect this has a lot to do with her lack of real experience as a litigator. She is too foolish and naive to consider that disrespecting a court's authority is dangerous business. Playing these games in federal court is particularly jaw-dropping. She's about to learn some very harsh lessons. Thanks for the laughs, Orly.


neilends
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

Oh and by the way, Dr. Allan Keyes, Ph.D., former diplomat for the United States to the United Nations as appointed by President Reagan, former presidential candidate in the Republican primaries, and former Republican nominee for the United States Senate in Illinois against Barack Obama, continues to have this moron as his attorney.

It's like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

Steve_X – You’ve just proven (again) that you have no facts to proffer, therefore you have resorted to childish personal ad hominem attacks. Typical, very typical of those who know nothing about the cases pending against Obama, nor the massive pent-up anger in the Citizenry.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

“…nor the massive pent-up anger in the Citizenry.”

So I take it that you and the other loons in the asylum are about to revolt? Have fun with that. Don’t forget the tinfoil!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

There aren’t “many” California bar associations. There’s only one California State Bar. Visit http://www.calbar.org for more information.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

OMG! LOOK AT ME! I’M TYPING IN ALL CAPS! THAT MEANS EVERYTHING I SAY IS TRUE!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

The bar doesn’t comment on pending complaints. A decision will eventually be rendered.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

Everything you just said is pure fiction.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

And by the way, I don’t know what the hell a “standard ‘automatic appeal at the sole discretion of counsel’ clause” is. I’ve never heard of such a thing. And what she did was not file an appeal anyway. She filed an “emergency” motion for a stay of her deployment. Get your facts straight, birther.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

If Orly’s husband is worth $100 million, why is she always trolling for PayPal donations?


Antibirther
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

That would be the third formal complaint filed against Orly that we know of.


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[...] when things couldn’t get any worse for Taitz, it turns out her client is actually threatening to file a complaint against her in California.  [...]


Antibirther
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

What do you bet she moves to Israel to avoid paying the fine?


neilends
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

That wouldn't be a bad idea. She will also need to hire legal counsel to defend her when the California bar comes down on her, which it eventually will.


Bruce
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Yesterday, September 18, 2009 was quite a day for Orly.
1. Another meltdown interview on MSNBC with Dylan Rattigan.
2. Subodh Chandra files an ethics complaint against her with the California Bar.
3. Judge Land imposes a $10,000 sanction against her, which if upheld, she mut report to the California Bar.
4. Captain Rhodes says she did not authorize Orly to file the motion for reconsideration and that she will file an ethics complaint with the California Bar.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

AXJ has published it along with the 1964 divorce documents…should be fun…


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Connie Rhodes off to IRAQ and Orly Taitz in trouble…

Apparently in an unprecedented move Connie Rhodes decided to step up to the plate and ask a Judge in the USA to confirm that the orders from the Commander in Chief were legal but when it started getting nasty she pulled the rug out from under her Attorney.

Rhodes never got a trial by jury as stated in the US Constitution but was put on the first military plane to IRAQ.

What business the USA has in IRAQ when it is falling apart financially at the seams is anyones guess.

The EURO and YEN keeps climbing and the USD keeps falling in the international marketplace.

CHINA keeps buying all the oil and gold it can get its hands on while Fort Knox is just a memory.

When will the American People wake up and realize the Founding Fathers put the right to a Trial by Jury in the US Constitution for a reason.

If Judges unilaterally have the power not to permit the case to go to trial then the American People have lost all ability to decide the facts. The Judge has just decided the facts of the case and the facts of Law for them, and that is very dangerous.

We hope Connie Rhodes has a chance to reflect from IRAQ and realize that the USA has become a great superpower and country precisely because of the existence of that document called the Constitution whereby THE AMERICAN PEOPLE created and controlled their government and public servants and not the other way around.

Perhaps Orly Taitz acted too swiftly in presenting the MOTION TO STAY but she was defending your right to a trial by jury which you were never granted.

Perhaps the Judge in Santa Ana, CA. will see it another way.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Like your unbiased position on this issue mfpdx…

OBAMA has not given us one true document to prove he was born in the USA and you just keep laughing huh…

His certificate of live birth in Hawaii has been proven to be a fraud because the numbers do not even correspond and his supposed mother was not in HAWAII in 1961…

Read the 1964 divorce papers and see the real birth certificate if you dare…

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2531


Reality
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

I would like to point out to Mr. Rocks that Capt. Rhodes was not the accused in this case. She was the plaintiff, ie. the accuser. Her claim was that the President (the defendant in this case) did not have the legal justification to order her to Iraq. As the accuser, she must face a judge to determine if facts and evidence justify a further trial. The judge ruled that Taitz provided no evidence for the case to continue to trial and dismissed the case, as his station allows him to do so. The defendant does not have to put up proof that his was born in the U.S.; the plaintiff has to put up evidence (hard solid evidence) that the defendant was not born in the U.S. (that's innocent until proven guilty). It was always an option to stay and fight the decision, but Capt. Rhodes – apparently as put off by Ms. Taitz's practices as was the judge – decided to cut her losses and agreed to be deployed. The client has NO obligation to the attourney in matters such as these, it is the other way around. That is why they are called clients. Ms. Taitz has been finding military personel who share her views (although not to her extreme) and using them to further her cause, getting them into deeper trouble. She should not be practicing law.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

If she’s so incredibly wealthy, why is the first thing you see on her blog a paypal link begging for donations?


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

You have still not answered the simple legal question. Did she have a constitutional right to a trial by jury, especially after a Grand Jury has found evidence OBAMA is not a natural born citizen.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

You do not want to know the facts, just what everybody says…


Matt Taylor
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

ROFL a bunch of numbnuts morons with no actual authority decide to call themselves a grand jury and you think someone should actually give a damn?


Steve_X
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

Once again birfer, you have no idea what the hell it is that you're talking about. First of all, this is a civil case, not a criminal case, so there is no need for a grand jury. Second, the grand jury doesn't even decide the case itself. A grand jury decides if there's enough for the prosecutor to get an indictment against the (criminal) defendant. There are no indictments in civil trials. If you're referring to those ridiculous “citizen grand juries” which have no legal authority whatsoever, nothing they say or do is binding on anyone and nothing they say has an legal effect. Finally, Capt. Rhodes requested a permanent injunction, which would be decided by a judge and not a jury.

You and Orly can ignore the rules of civil procedure and evidence as much as you want to; the only thing it does is expose you birfers for the racist, deluded fools that you are.


betsym
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

YOU do not know the facts. This woman has filed all over the US and still can't seem to understand that this has all been answered. Obama WAS born in Hawaii. It's in the records there and all you people are just plain crazy. YES, I said CRAZY.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

A violent revolution is undoubtedly coming very very soon. The citizens are fed-up with Obama's arrogant lies and they are especially sick of the ongoing frauds being perpetrated by the dirty courts and the disgraceful Congress. Two million aggravated persons attended the “9/12″ event in Washington, yet the morons working in the corrupt government still have no clue how angry and motivated the citizens are. One way or another, “change” is DEFINITELY coming to America. The deafness of the politicians WILL be cured!


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

betsym – YOU HAVE NO CLUE. Show us ANY vetted PHYSICAL EVIDENCE in support of your claim that Obama was born in Hawai'i. Besides, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT you know the qualifications required by law that make a person a “natural born Citizen”. Why would Obama spend over two million dollars on attorney fees to hide his background if he was truly born in Hawai'i? I understand you're not very bright, but please ATTEMPT to become a rational thinker.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

Steve X – Obama has violated criminal, as well as civil statutes. Get your facts straight. OBAMA IS ALSO A HYPOCRITE…. “110TH CONGRESS
2D SESSION
S. RES. __
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. _______________
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
Mrs. MCCASKILL (D) (for herself and Mr. LEAHY (D), Mr. OBAMA (D), Mr. COBURN (R), Mrs. CLINTON (D), and Mr. WEBB (D)”… (Summary of findings of Senate Judiciary Committee by Senator Leahy, (D) Vermont – http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html) – Obama, by his OWN definition, is NOT Constitutionally qualified. Quotes from Judiciary Committee hearing : “Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”
“It is silly for anyone to argue that Senator McCain is not eligible to become president,” said McCaskill. “I would hope that this is something we can all agree on, for goodness sakes.”
Michael Chertoff said “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen”. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy”. End quotes. “…American parentS”, proving the Committee (Senator Obama was a member) found that BOTH PARENTS MUST BE American Citizens to make their child a “natural born Citizen”. Obama Senior was NOT a Citizen. Obama's first act, Executive Order #13489 on 21 January, 2009, sealed all his records = Instantly broken campaign promise of “transparency”.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Bruce – “meltdown”? Taitz REALLY showed Ratigan – RATIGAN IS A BLUNDERING FOOL. Since you have proven you have absolutely no respect for the Constitution, you should be tried and hanged for treason.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

Excuse me, but why would a lady who carries a $12,000 purse and drives a $275,000 automobile move to Israel to avoid a mere $10,000 payment?


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Doctor Taitz has two other thriving businesses, a dental practice and a major real estate brokerage firm, plus her husband is worth around $100,000,000. Whichever California bar association she belongs to (there are many) will take no action against Taitz – they have no valid reason for doing so. The contract signed by the Captain very likely contains the standard “automatic appeal at the sole discretion of counsel” clause. Apparently, you know even less about the inner workings of bar associations than you do about Obama's background.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

I thiink ernest is an Orly sock puppet. Tell us more about your fabulous lifestyle, Orly.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Show us the other complaints. Baseless gossip doesn't cut it. No bar association has sanctioned Taitz for ANY reason, that much I know.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

What physical evidence do you possess that proves beyond doubt Obama is legitimate? NONE! Investigations into the matter by PROFESSIONALS (retired F.B.I. and Scotland Yard Agents) have proven Obama is a liar and he does not meet the Constitutional qualifications to hold office.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Get your law straight. That Senate resolution was ceremonial, since McCain was born on American territory to American parents. The only reason that was even an issue is because McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone, which is not in the contiguous U.S., and the Senate didn't want to waste time dealing with birfers that don't understand the ;aw.

“Obama, by his OWN definition, is NOT Constitutionally qualified.”
Nowhere in that cut-and-paste job does Obama himself define natural born citizenship. Go back and read the 14th Amendment (which confers citizenship at birth to ANYONE born on American soil), then read Wong Kim Ark which explains the court's decision to use the “jus soli” theory of citizenship again confirming that citizenship is passed at birth even if the parents themselves are not citizens. Obama Sr. didn't have to be a citizen for Obama to be a natural born citizen, because Obama was born on American soil. That is the only thing required, no matter how many made-up laws the birfers pull out of their asses. Charles deVattel (or whatever his name is) is not the law in this country, no matter what World Nut Daily says. His insistence that a person must be born to two parents who themselves are citizens has never been adopted by Congress or the Supreme Court, and that definition is nowhere in the Constitution.

The only thing you birfers do when you open your mouths is show your ignorance of established law and precedent. There's a reason that Orly's been laughed out of every court that she's ever set foot in. I would tell you what that reason is, but I'd rather see if you can figure it out. Here's a hint: it starts with “de” and ends with “lusional.”


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

mantis – Why do you make such childish statements? Why do you hate the USA and our Constitution? Why do you not want this matter to be heard in a court of law? What makes you despise justice?


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Betsym – THIS HAS NOT BEEN ANSWERED, NOT ONE CASE HAS YET BEEN DECIDED ON EVIDENCE and THE TESTIMONY OF WITNESSES, FOOL.


betsym
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

ernest, you have no clue. First of all it's in the official records of Hawaii. That's the first thing. Second is that he has shown his birth certificate. Obviously you don't know what a “natural born citizen” is.
How do you justify McCain being a natural born citizen when he was born in Panama. I would say you aren't the bright on, LOL.
Any “rational thinker' would realize that this is all a smoke screen because in reality all of you “birthers” can't stand the fact that he's black.
And by the way he had to spend that kind of money because they were filing suits in courts all over the place.
Get real. He's produced his birth certificate over and over again.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Get YOUR facts straight. Obama voted ''yea'' when the question of whether TWO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS ARE REQUIRED TO PRODUCE A CHILD WHO QUALIFIES AS A ''NATURAL BORN CITIZEN''. What is required of ONE CANDIDATE, MUST be required of ALL CANDIDATES. Obama is a hypocrite AND a sorry liar.


msdaisy
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

What’s that you say? Baseless gossip seems to work fine for Orly! She has never produced a single bit of anything but hearsay. Nor will she, because even if any of this utter nonsense were true, she wouldn’t have the brains to come up with it! LOL this is going to be fun to watch. I can’t wait to she her lie and try to squirm her way out of this. The ABA is going to strike her down and squash her like a bug.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

~~~ MEMO ~~~
TO: Tovarishch Weigel
FROM: Mr. Soros
Dave:
Keep up the good work! So far, you've offered dozens of posts about this issue, including several that are a bit “fact-challenged”. Good job. Also, good job completely avoiding mentioning that the judge in the recent case believes what Obama says even as he (rightfully) demands that Taitz proves what she says. (Note: once again, that has nothing to do with the “burden of proof”, nor does it have to do per se with the rules of evidence. It's about the judge's mindset: he requires proof from Taitz at the same time as he trusts Obama.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

AXJ-HAWAII just discovered new evidence from 1964.

It is all over the internet if you care to read it. Real Birth Certificates not a fraudulent one. Just Google it.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

I understand you're not very bright, but please ATTEMPT to become a rational thinker.

It's like a wild-eyed person sitting in the middle of the street, wearing a diaper, spreading feces on himself and screaming at everyone, “Stop acting crazy!”


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

That is burden of proof. It's on the accuser. You are a complete moron.


msdaisy
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Yes, funny how all these “supposed” posters know so may intimate details of Orly’s business and talk just like she does saying the same things almost verbatim. Truth is she has nothing or no one to back her so she pretends to be all these other people to make herself feel better. The woman needs to be locked in a padded room!


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Ooh, how many pairs of shoes do you have? Are they nice? Are they expensive? Tell us!


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

We have a RIGHT to know what is in the official records of Hawai'i. Doctor Fukino was threatened with arrest if she makes any more pronouncements, her words, backed by NOTHING, including legal authority, are 100% MEANINGLESS.- PARENTS CAN APPLY FOR AND OBTAIN A HAWAI'I “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH” FOR A CHILD UP TO ONE YEAR OF AGE WHO WAS BORN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD – [§338-17.8] “Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a certification of live birth.”


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

We get it. You're crazy. Seek help.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

The conspirators will not permit it. How could they possibly have this go before a Jury.

With just one fradulent piece of paper to try to prove he was born in Hawaii? Not one witness. Nobody knew him there. Nobody cared. He failed miserably in Occidental as a foreign student. How can anybody really believe this guy. The USD is becoming worthless. No work. The economy in shambles. Foreclosures at an all time high…welcome to Liberal America where everything goes…only Judge Carter can help us now…he has ordered prediscovery and the Hawaiian Authorities still have not released the docs…what is up? Isn't that contempt of Court?


commiecharlie
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

So you think there's a revolution coming soon? Will i get the Constitutional opportunity to defend my property against the revolutionists? Some of us liberals believe in stockpiling arms and ammunition to specifically defend against the right wing nuts taking the law into their own illegal hands. So, earnest, do not lead the revolutionary charge at my house. I want to be in the forefront of culling our population of ill-informed and less than intelligent people. Hope you won't mind sacrificing your body.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

AXJ-HAWAII just received some more evidence. Just google it.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

mantis – You do not comprehend that Obama is NOT royalty, HE IS OUR EMPLOYEE and THE CITIZENS HAVE A PERFECT RIGHT TO KNOW HIS ENTIRE BACKGROUND!


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

You shouldn't use words you don't understand. Like “facts.”


Steve_X
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

All caps?

*yawn*

Nothing screams “I don't know what the hell I'm talking about” like typing everything in all caps like a four-year old.

Tell you what, since you're so “smart” and you have so much evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, why don't you go file a lawsuit? As hilarious as Taitz's delusions are, we need new birfers to laugh at and you would fit the bill nicely. After all, I can tell by your rants that you know as much about the law than she does.

Birfers are delusional, racist fools. Since Orly has no evidence to back up any of her outlandish claims (and no, those cheap eBay forgeries are not evidence) she will continue to fail. She will never meet her burden of proof, and she will always be a joke…just like all of the other birfers.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

Where do you get those rights, exactly?


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

commicharlie – The battle is already half won, you're brain dead.


commiecharlie
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

Please post your birth certificate. I think you are a plant for a citizen.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

betsym – What has been posted on the internet is a FORGED “Certification of Live Birth”, NOT a “birth certificate”. The two SOUND similar, yet they are not closely related under law. You are clueless as to what THE LAW SAYS.


commiecharlie
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Which Constitution spells out those citizen rights?


commiecharlie
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Just do not be in the first charge.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

“Note: once again, that has nothing to do with the “burden of proof”, nor does it have to do per se with the rules of evidence. It's about the judge's mindset: he requires proof from Taitz at the same time as he trusts Obama.”

Once again, birfers show how they know nothing about the law as they charge into court with made-up nonsense and fairy tales. I'm actually not surprised that you don't understand the burden of proof; after all, Taitz is the smartest of the birfers and she doesn't even understand it. Why should we expect more out of her followers?


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

mantis – All you have posted is a series of childish ad hominem attacks, you have yet to present ANY evidence.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

The evidence I'm looking at is that proving you are mentally deranged. It's all over this thread.


commiecharlie
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Oh, did Glenn Beck make another irrational statement?


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

We have a RIGHT to know what is in the official records of Hawai'i. Doctor Fukino was threatened with arrest if she makes any more pronouncements, her words, backed by NOTHING, including legal authority, are 100% MEANINGLESS.- PARENTS CAN APPLY FOR AND OBTAIN A HAWAI'I “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH” FOR A CHILD UP TO ONE YEAR OF AGE WHO WAS BORN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD – [§338-17.8] “Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a certification of live birth.”


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

NH SECRETARY OF STATE AGREES TO INVESTIGATE
by John Charlton
(Sept. 12, 2009) — New Hampshire State Representative, Laurence M. Rappaport payed a visit to Mr. William Gardner, the NH Secretary of State, on Thursday, Sept. 10th.

His stunning request: an investigation of Barack Hussein Obama’s presence on the NH 2008 Ballot.

Gardner’s stunning response: an investigation will commence.

I interviewed Mr. Rappaport by email, and asked him, on what basis did he make his complaint; he responded, “The basis for all of this is possible fraud. I don’t know what penalties will be assessed if fraud is proven.”


Steve_X
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Orl's been a busy beaver, apparently. Luckily for her, once she loses her law license she'll have plenty of time to spend on the internet. She can repeat her debunked lies and twisted logic all day long.

Someone should tell her that the “real” Kenyan birf sertifikat is in one of those padded rooms. When she walks in to pick it up someone should lock the door behind her. We all know that she's stupid enough to fall for it.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Deputy Assistant Kentucky Secretary of State Leslie A. Fugate has asked state Attorney General Jack Conway for an investigation into the issue of Barack Obama's eligibility to be president. In a letter to Conway, Fugate questioned “President Barack Obama's eligibility to be on the ballot in Kentucky.” “Because our office does not have investigative powers … we are referring the matter to your office”.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

You should probably stop believing things you find on white supremacist sites. What am I saying? Then you would have nothing left.


commiecharlie
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Hey, folks, do all of you understand what's missing in all these comments? Sarah Palin's intellectual analysis. Any one still wonder why the right wing nuts actually supported her?


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

51% of non-monarchist American voters were A-OK with his background.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

mantis – The ONLY thing you and those like you have done is post childish ad hominem attacks, you have presented absolutely NO evidence.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

Sorry, Adolf, you can't have a RAHOWA. Not yours.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

I'm not a lawyer. This isn't a court. You are a crazy person. I will mock you as I see fit.

Seek professional help.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

The president must PROVE he is Constitutionally qualified to hold office, the people who are his employers are demanding answers.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Yeah, everything was just peachy until that uppity negro was appointed by 51% of American voters.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Barrett 82A-1, you'll never even see the 673 grains coming.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

mantis – Yet again, you prove you possess no evidence, you are only capable of posting childish ad hominem attacks.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Answer the question. What makes you think you have the right to make crazy and unreasonable demands that must be met? Where do you get those rights? Have you read the Constitution?


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

mantis – Again, you prove you have no evidence to present. You are obviously blissfully unaware this nation has a Constitution that MUST be upheld.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

I don't stop at the crazy man in the middle of the street and try to talk sense into him. It would be futile.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

I'm far more familiar with our Constitution than you are, crazy person. That much is obvious.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

Steve X – Ohhhh, we see. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is automatically a “bigot” and a “racist”. How stunningly childish and ignorant you are.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Don't forget to pack the Luger and cyanide capsule for when your RAHOWA inevitably fizzles. We may even be able to rummage up enough funds for an early International Cowards' Way Out Day (April 30th) gift!


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

The Senate Judiciary Committee investigating John McCain, which included Obama as a voting member, UNANIMOUSLY declared BOTH PARENTS MUST BE UNITED STATES CITIZENS AT THE TIME A CHILD IS BORN TO THEM IN ORDER FOR THE CHILD TO BE CLASSIFIED A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”. Now you're calling Obama a liar! LOL, LOL, LOL! YOU'RE A DELUSIONAL IDIOT! You don't even know WHICH side you're on!!!


Steve_X
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

“We?” Now you think you're more than one person?

Another delusional birfer. Who knew?


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

mantis – YOU are “the crazy man in the middle of the street” and it's obvious to everyone here BUT you.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

[[Citation needed]]


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

How much longer before break time is over and you're put back in the rubber room?


msdaisy
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Q. What do you get when you Google any of the following?

“Crazy Brither lady”,
“Laughed out of court”
“Queen Bee of People Obsessed”
“The crazy sounding lawyer”
“MSNBC Meltdown”
(OR, and I love this one..)
“ Aluminum foil hat wearing crackpot”

A. Yes you guessed it, the answer is ORLY TAITZ

Hay Orly, are you getting the picture yet? You are dumber than a box of rocks!


betsym
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

You are truly a complete nut. I just went to your site and I must say that you are really delusional like ernest and Orly. Give me a break
Hey all, this wing nut AXJ is now stating that Stanley Dunham isn't his mother. I must say, it gets to the point where you truly have to laugh at these characters.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

msdiasy – What have you presented as evidence that Obama is qualified to hold office?


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Hey, what do you get when you google AXJ?


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Ya, one guy in the FBI already got a bullet in his head for looking into the OBAMA/DUNHAM passport records. It is all there. Hillary just won't release it to the Court. Is that contempt of court?


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

The media didn’t properly research Obama and disseminate real background information about him before the election. They led everyone down a primrose path, distorting what he really represented and obfuscating everything in his past. The media moguls are denying “the birthers” movement vehemently to try to give the impression to the public that there really is nothing wrong with Obama and therefore their past coverage of him.
The media probably thought they could keep this under wraps. But now MSNBC and others are ASKING Orly to go on their programs…they are trying to destroy her but she knows better and handles their bias very well. At this point, the more this issue is on TV screens across the country, the better, because it can only hurt the media and help us. As soon as Orly states that there is a case alive in Judge Carter’s court, people will have the information they need. At that point people will know that, contrary to what MSNBC says, there IS an issue to be decided.


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

The media are hanging on to see what their fate will be now that it is obvious that the lid will be blown off of this thing. Their blind support for Obama will dissolve them. CBS, NBC and ABC are just about off the air now, and this massive collusion of propaganda and deception will finish them off. That’s why they don’t want to cover it. Fox News is included in this…they were derelict in their duties, too, and didn’t change their tune until recently. Probably Rupert Murdoch realized that if Obama gets his way, Fox News will be muzzled or off the air. So now maybe he’s willing to fight a little bit.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

Yup, it is starting. AXJ is opening up Chapters in every State and City. Costs nothing to join. I am joing now. They rock.


neilends
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

53%.


betsym
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

Just went to your site too. You are another nut case. The Judges mindset? This is nothing more than garbage. You people have no respect for the Law or even the Constitution. But that's par for the course with you right wingnut racists. That's really what this is all about. You just won't say it. Because then people would “find you out”.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

Do you have any proof that she was? No, thought so. The divorce papers say he was actually adopted. How do you explain that one?


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Correct. Lt. Quarles Harri, Jr., was shot dead after going through the passport records. Who will be next on Obama's hit list?


ernest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Lt. Quarles Harris was MURDERED for discovering the TRUTH about Obama.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

Well Ernest if you feel that way then join AXJ. Just google them. They rock.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

AXJ has just blown the top off. Just google AXJ-HAWAII While the mainstream media was avoiding the topic, AXJ was working. They now have the evidence in their hands.


betsym
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

All your garbage is just that, garbage. First of all, divorce papers do not state whether a child is adopted or not. What a fool you must think everyone is.
Only people that are nuts like you will listen. And you know what, when they put all of you in straight jackets you all can cry the same crazy tune.


betsym
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

And by the way, she's dead have some respect. She's not here to defend against scurrilous attacks that you and others have stated against her and her son. You are truly most disgusting.


neilends
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

You have no standing to ask.


betsym
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

The problem with you AXJ and ernest is that the two of you have the hidden belief that blacks should not be citizens to begin with. So the fact that a black man is now the President of the U.S. has turned your racist world upside down. You all are disgusting.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

That's funny because the President of AXJ is actually Black?


neilends
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

lol


borderraven
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

I see nothing political or racial, as the case goes to challenge the validity of the US Constitution, under the current regime. I am really at awe of the ignorance of some who are so blinded by false faith, that they cannot see it. I'm 55 years old, I served 20-years in the Navy, and I've seen this nation through some challenging times, but the lack of skepticism in the current regime looks like what I imagine Germany in the late-1930s. This really is a frightening time for America, but many are gleefully allowing the Constitution to dissolve in it's application and effectiveness. MLK had a dream, but this is his nightmare. But wait there's more!
There is strong evidence emerging od a fraudulent election perpetrated by the DNC, and effected by willing fools acting negligently.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

I see nothing political or racial, as the case goes to challenge the validity of the US Constitution, under the current regime.

Nope. The Constitution is valid under any “regime” (also, in this country we call it an administration. Welcome to the US.)

I am really at awe of the ignorance of some who are so blinded by false faith, that they cannot see it.

Likewise.

I'm 55 years old, I served 20-years in the Navy, and I've seen this nation through some challenging times, but the lack of skepticism in the current regime looks like what I imagine Germany in the late-1930s.

Parallels to your imagination are neither intriguing nor compelling. And your perception of current reality is severely distorted.

There is strong evidence emerging od a fraudulent election perpetrated by the DNC, and effected by willing fools acting negligently.

Again, things you imagine are hardly relevant.


borderraven
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

msdaisy, what do you get when you Google Images “M1139416728.GIF”

or try
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200909106381/edito…


borderraven
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

Senator Robert Byrd (92) is next in line of secession after the Obama, Biden, Pelosi, are disqualified for fraud. This will leave Hillary Clinton, a heartbeat away from the Oral Office. That's if present secession is followed, because then Hillary, could pardon Biden and Pelosi….. but would she?

http://borderravenblogosphere.blogspot.com/


msdaisy
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

I don’t have to prove anything. Obama has proven it himself and the government and as well as the majority of “sane” people (aka true Americans) are satisfied with that. If you are not then YOU prove he isn’t! But you can’t because all you have is forged documents, hearsay and lies. NO PROOF! Which is why every thing you file is not just thrown out of court but laughed out as well!


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:22 am

Ernest, why don’t you and Tinam go reminisce about the old days somewhere and leave the rest of us alone?


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:22 am

Ernest, why don’t you and Tinam go reminisce about the old days somewhere and leave the rest of us alone?


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:25 am

That’s because the cases keep getting tossed because the plaintiffs have no standing, Taitz’s briefs are written in what appears to be badly translated Vulcan and are based on a misunderstanding of the law, and the courts have better things to do than let an escapee from the Tammy Faye Bakker School of Makeup Design scream at them in a Moldovan accent.

Personally, I’m surprised she hasn’t been jailed for contempt long since. And why does any patriotic American take a woman who could only get a law degree through an unaccredited correspondence school seriously?


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:25 am

That’s because the cases keep getting tossed because the plaintiffs have no standing, Taitz’s briefs are written in what appears to be badly translated Vulcan and are based on a misunderstanding of the law, and the courts have better things to do than let an escapee from the Tammy Faye Bakker School of Makeup Design scream at them in a Moldovan accent.

Personally, I’m surprised she hasn’t been jailed for contempt long since. And why does any patriotic American take a woman who could only get a law degree through an unaccredited correspondence school seriously?


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:28 am

The LAW says that the birth certificate POSTED last SUMMER is A REAL TRUE AUTHENTIC RECORD OF BIRTH FROM Hawaii that is acceptable for employment and anyTHing else that requireS PROOf of citizenSHIP.


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:28 am

The LAW says that the birth certificate POSTED last SUMMER is A REAL TRUE AUTHENTIC RECORD OF BIRTH FROM Hawaii that is acceptable for employment and anyTHing else that requireS PROOf of citizenSHIP.


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:31 am

Y’know, I could almost believe that Ernest IS Orly Taitz, except that his posts show that he is a native English speaker. Otherwise….


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:31 am

Y’know, I could almost believe that Ernest IS Orly Taitz, except that his posts show that he is a native English speaker. Otherwise….


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:34 am

What I want to know is why someone with an overpriced handbag and a ridiculously expensive car only spent $2.95 on a worthless law “degree” from an unaccredited diploma mill.


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:34 am

What I want to know is why someone with an overpriced handbag and a ridiculously expensive car only spent $2.95 on a worthless law “degree” from an unaccredited diploma mill.


Jim
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

That's great. Another investigation that shoots them down. I love it when you blowers start getting all excited and think you've finally got something. Let me see if I can explain to you why this is not going to go your way…Hawaii is the state of birth. They have verified he was born there. Every other state has to accept that…via the 10th amendment. Law trumps delusion in any court in the land. The SOS of New Hampshire is going to inform the good State Rep, the Honorable Rappaport, of that fact and that New Hampshire has no say in the BC of Hawaii and are legally required to accept it as a legal document. You blowers will claim the the SOS is wrong or doesn't believe in the constitution, and we'll laugh at your mis-guided efforts again…and again…and again.


Birfers 'R Nuts
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

ernest & AJ: Are you going to help Orly raise the 10k that Judge Land orders her to pay? Since you gals love Larry Sinclair so much, maybe he can share his bake sale tips with you. He raised a lot of money off of his suckers, um, supporters, that way.


Birfers 'R Nuts
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

A link to a picture on some website called Stormfront that shows some girl wearing a white hood.


mantis
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

Loads of white supremacist nazi bullshit?


Birfers 'R Nuts
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

Hate to disappoint you, ernest, (well, not really) but the Secretary of State, Bill Gardner, has said:

…”the first calls came in yesterday: 'Can you please tell me if the secretary of state of New Hampshire is investigating President Obama?' First, Gardner instructed his staff to say no, until an employee said that might imply a 'I can't tell you.' “I said just say, 'Yes I can tell you, and the answer is no,' ' Gardner said.”

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/20090916/…

Well, birfers, another one bites the dust! Whatta you racist bastards have next?


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

I thought the afterbirthers had morphed into teabaggers and moved on to, taking their country back.

I and other paid Obamabots have played whack-a-mole with these nimrods for months. Is it time to move on to stage-two, round them up and detain them in the Obama detention camps? It's been reported on, Trusted Rightwing Sites, that the camps are ready and mass graves have been dug. What are we waiting for, send the orders to the Northern Command and begin the purge.

My checks for discrediting afterbirthers on this site have stopped coming so i need work. I would enjoy a position at the camps as a cattle-prod operator. Obama's stimulus plan will finally start to create jobs at the camps and Americans will feel good again doing productive work.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 5:41 am

No problem Ernest…his Hawaii certificate was vetted by the state of Hawaii and declared true and legal. BTW, Hawaii is the ONLY one who can authenticate it, since they are the recorders of the birth. By the 10th amendment, all other states have to accept it as legal, they don’t get to question another state’s BC. This also means the federal government has to accept for all legal needs such as passports, etc. See, that wasn’t hard. The rest of your made-up BS is just because you know that you can’t get past the Hawaii BC, so you throw things out without any idea what you’re talking about…basically like all blowers. Wham, Bam, shot down and left for rat food.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 5:48 am

The LAW says that Hawaii is the recorder of birth, and they have said this is a true and legal BC. They are the only ones who can authenticate it, since they hold the records. Via the 10th amendment, all other states and the federal government, are required by LAW to accept it as authentic. By law, he was born in Hawaii and is a Natural born american citizen. Besides, are you now saying that the people all the other states that have the short form certificates are now not legal american citizens? I think more than a few people would have trouble with you taking away their citizenships. BTW ernest, what state are you from? Do you even know what the legal BC from your state looks like?


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 6:03 am

Isn’t it wonderful, now he has the clients working for the lawyers. At least we know that they have no idea what a real lawyer is. Blowers don’t like lawyers who know such mundane things as readin’, ritin’ or ‘rithmatic, they prefer their lawyers to be full of BS and blond wigs.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 6:09 am

The best physical evidence in the world. The Hawaii BC, authenticated by the state of Hawaii. And you got…nothing that proves anything worth while. Ernest, unless you can get by that fact, you’ll never get any satisfaction in any court in the land. But, please don’t give up on your delusions, I need this regularly scheduled laugh at you blowers to brighten my day.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 6:17 am

Wrong again, as usual AXJ. He has shown his Hawaii BC, authenticated by the state of Hawaii. That’s so much better than those forgeries and wild theories you blowers keep trying to pawn off. Now, those numbers on the BC that you want to spout off about. Why is that a problem for such a feeble mind as yours? Remember though, I’m a computer programmer who went through the Y2K mess, so if your complaint is about them putting the ’19′ in front, you’re going to look even more stupid than your already have shown. What am I talking about, he’s a blower. He looks stupid every time he posts.


msdaisy
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 1:32 am

OMG they really have the good on Obama now! Another fake birth certificate! WOW they’ll really make head way with this one, and if not they’ll still find another one, and another, and another…..(Trouble is the line of shit remains the same.)


PaulG
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 1:32 am

I'd been finding all this very amusing, but Rhodes letter kind of ruined it for me. It's like a person with a genuine disease getting sucked in by a faith healer. Thank goodness Rhodes seems to have come to her senses. I hope things go well for her, but Taitz needs to be sanctioned, pronto.

As for those people who don't see why this is all nonsense, they should stop filling their heads with things they can't understand and go back to something they can. Dick and Jane maybe.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:03 am

Actually, you give yourself too much credit. Nobody but a few whackjobs are demanding that the the constitution of our land, the laws of our courts, the votes of our citizens, and the sovereignty of the state of Hawaii be overturned. The vast majority, on both sides, wish you’d go away and quit proving how dumb you are. I mean really, are you one of those who want to see Obama’s privates? Is it any wonder I call you blowers!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 8:02 am

Yes, you’re right, we just keep laughing—-at you!! For several years I authenticated US birth certificates for the Passport Agency at the behest of the State Dept. All of your claims are utter gibberish. As for your leader, Orly Taitz: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Anonymous
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 8:12 am

Oh Ernest, you have caused me to laugh myself nearly sick. Thanks, I needed a good laugh. BTW, my Grand Jury has just ruled that your brain was actually born in Uranus and they have ruled in favor of conferring upon you full Galactic citizenship. Congratulations! Obama is very jealous…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 11:16 am

Ernest, why did you rape and murder that 12 year old girl six years ago? Where did you hide the body? Why not just produce evidence of your innocence, if you really *are* innocent? What are you trying to hide?

The readers here have A PERFECT RIGHT TO KNOW!


chrisjay
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:58 am

Oily Taintz. You could not have created this character if you had 10 of the greatest comedic/satiric minds ever convened in a brainstorming session for 2 months. She is beyond belief and she is the mother of the Birther movement which, BTW, is still championed by douchebags on the right to this day! Un-friggin-believable.


freedom_writer
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 8:33 am

There's a lot of “two minutes of hate” here. Why not just answer the birther questions? If no one takes on their arguements, they win!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

After seeing her work product, I can say with confidence that she definitely got what she paid for.


villemar
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 11:26 am

Why do Birthers hate America so much?


Ellid
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 12:39 pm

If you want to know what Germany in the late 1930s was like, Mr. Raven, please read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich or Berlin Diary by William L. Shirer. There were certainly parallels to contemporary politics, but contrary to your imaginings, the Nazis and their brownshirts were much, much more like the tea party movement in their use of racism, violence, distortion of the facts, and constantly repeating one lie after another to sway public opinion.

Read one of those books. Just one. I dare you.


Pug
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

First, Obama presented a birth certificate proving he was born in Hawa'ii, verified by the state of Hawa'ii. Nothing more is required.

You make the claim Obama isn't a citizen. Prove it or shut up and, please, don't try to show us more forged documents. You people are ignorant and proud ot if.


Pug
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

Silly right wing paranoia. Nothing more.

Always promoting your pathetic website. You, sir, are a dick.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

Have you confirmed the signature to make sure that letter is not a forgery? Why is the signature on a line, and why is the line canted? Honestly, who scribbled that signature? It lacks the feminine flair Dr. Rhodes has displayed previously.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 2:18 pm

What makes you believe Birthers hate America? I live here too.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

Raven, are you that dense? She faxed over the letter to get Orly to stop using her name on her frivolous filings. The real letter will be sent from Iraq when she can get there. I suppose the Iraq postmark on that letter will be contested by you as being fake also. And finally, your signatures are going to be different depending on you mood, and her's looks really, REALLY pissed that her lawyer took advantage of her for the lawyer's own personal agenda. But, with you not being a forgery expert or such I wouldn't expect you to understand such things.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

Well, you keep trying to overturn the constitution, the laws of the land, the citizen's vote, and the State of Hawaii with obvious forgeries and outright lies…we tend to think that's someone who doesn't like living under our democracy. Maybe it's just us, but we think people like that do it because they hate our country.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

Why not have the birthers read and understand the constitution, the laws of the land, and legal precedence instead? They're the ones trying to overturn a legal election, not us.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Things are developing…


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

What is Orly Taitz' “own personal agenda”?


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

Border, you've been living under a rock somewhere, I take it.


msdaisy
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

Come on “Ernest”! You want to talk the talk; lets see you walk the walk! I stand by Obama and so does the United States Government. Where is your legitimate hard-core proof that Obama is not qualified to hold office? Where is all this so called proof? No one has seen anything but lies, ludicrous accusations, hearsay and forged documents. And that is all you have too, otherwise you and your brainless comrades would have produced it already, instead of making public meltdown spectacles of yourselves. Just have a look! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/03/orly-t…


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Well, for one, I am a sworn defender of the US Constitution. Trust me the COTUSA is very dear to me. Have you read the COTUSA? Number two, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chair Nancy Pelosi, failed to vet their POTUSA candidate, and relied on unreliable documentation, the Internet, and hearsay. FactCheck.Org, has an ORIGINAL document, on display, in about eight views, but if you accept that level of a LASER PRINTED ON JUNE 6 2007 SHORT FOM COLB document to prove a POTUSA candidate is eligible per COTUSA, then you are the fool. If Barack Obama, was indeed birthed in Hawaii, then somewhere in the archives of the records maintained by the State of Hawaii, is Obama's ORIGINAL Long Form COLB. Examples :
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/assets/gif/M1…
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/pass…
Now visit:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19880188/jbjdsouthcar…
http://bit.ly/cIbpD
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200909106381/edito…
Did you vote for Obama? If you did, I suggest you see your State Secretary, about which version of “Official Certification of Nomination” Nancy Pelosi, conspired with Obama, so Obama got on the ballot. You are one of the millions of fools who followed media sensationalism to subvert the US Constitution! TRAITOR!


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

Jim, what's wrong, can't you articulate your point? OK, you forfeit.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

Sorry, you forgot the most important point…it was authenticated by the state of Hawaii making it legal in all 50 states, the federal government, and to become president of the US. You don't get to overturn the sovereignty of Hawaii. And you don't get to change the law of the land for your delusions. And finally, you add that tired, worn, forged document on the internet that some are trying to pass off as real. It's really sad that you don't believe in your oath, that you're among a group trying to overturn a legal election for your own biases. The only traitors are folks like you who are trying to take away the citizens' vote.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

I haven't seen a single point worth mentioning from you at all. Nope, you lose, as always.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Don't assume a legal illection, because it very well could have been accomplished be fraud, conspiracy, malice, gross incompetence, massive brainwashing, and plain voter negligence.
http://www.rightsidenews.com/images/stories/Sep…
http://www.rightsidenews.com/images/stories/Sep…
http://www.rightsidenews.com/images/stories/doc…
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19949608/TN-2008-RNC-…
Found in Sacramento, CA
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19949541/SACCA2009091…
What version did your state get, and did anyone examine LONG FORM COLB before vetting a Presidential candidate? Now accuse me of not respecting the US Constitution.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Evasion and denial are your only weapons, and you are a COWARD! Run and hide Obot.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

Jim, what “forged” document are you referring to? Show me. Explain.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

Just what we need, another “Alice in Wonderland” argument. Multiple states use the so-called “short-form” as their legal document. Once Hawaii authenticated it, it was done. Let me put it into a different perspective…suppose you were born in Missouri, which uses the short form. You moved to Texas and tried to get a driver's license. How would you like it if Texas told you that you can't have one because they “don't like how your BC looks”? But, they can't, via the 10th amendment. BTW, the ONLY state that can vette the BC is Hawaii, they are the recorders of the birth and the only legal authority that can state if it is real or not. So, go back to your forgeries, your delusions, and your wish to see Obama's privates.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

How big a list you looking for? Do I start with the Kenyan BC's? You've shown nothing that that proves he isn't legal.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

Jim, BTW– the long form COLBs I linked above ARE AUTHENTICATED WITH EMBOSSED STAMP, but most importantly they are much more factual and reliable than what your gullible mind accepts.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

Yep, as usual. Once you realize you've got nothing, call me names. Go ahead…an insult from a blower is like a complement from anyone else. I appreciate it.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

FACTS…LOL, you really crack me up border. Facts are the last thing you wanted to hear. How are those BC's authenticated? A stamp is just a piece of the authentication process. Can you tell me what else is required?


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

Jim, “legal residency” is not the issue. Neither you, or Obama have shown any proof he meets the Constitutional qualifications for POTUS. Please, I beg of you, prove Obama is a “natural born citizen”, not a resident, not a legal resident, but a NBC. Show his LONG FORM COLB. It will look like this, but in color it is green, as a photostat copy from microfiche it will be black with light gray writing.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

Actually, I have the best proof in the US. He was accepted by the congress, the courts, and the american people. You haven't proved he's not. Since he's the sitting president, I would say that you lose. And finally, you don't get to decide what the legal document of Hawaii is, nobody in this country gave you that power and nowhere in the constitution does that appear.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

Jim, my point of showing the Nordyke Twins LFCOLB and Edith Costa's LFCOLB, was not to claim them authentic, but to provide you with, an example of the document Obama and Hawaii, are unable to show.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

Again, what you've shown doesn't matter. The one shown by Obama is the one NOW issued by the state of Hawaii. It is true, legal, and authenticated by the state of Hawaii. In fact, if the Nordyke Twins and Edith Costa were to request their BC's, that's what they would get…the short form. Are you now saying that if they lost their originals, they would cease to be citizens? Man, that's why I'm glad you folks have absolutely no say in this.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

As for the Kenyan BCs, and a similar Australian BC, those are all short form COLB (portable), like the one on FactCheck, and they only contain data transcribed, in abstract, from an originating record. They have no relevancy to prove an actual birth or nationality, but prove that a person was born in a city, state, country, colony, protectorate, etc., and only establish legal residency.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

The birthers' questions have been answered by the State of Hawaii, 49 other states, the US Supreme Court, and 53% of the American voting public. That they don't accept that answer, well, that's why they lose.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

No, they were forgeries attempting to pass off as real to say Obama was born in Kenya. They aren't even official forms to Kenya at any time in their history. Calling them whatever fits into your imagination doesn't change that.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

Jim, a legal resident, not a natural born citizen, can apparently make it to the Presidency, but this in no way validates your claim that he or she should, under COTUSA. As will be proved in court, the vetting process was lax, unenforced or fraudulently conspired against. I should tell you, that per the Ninth Amendment my powers have yet to realized.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

If that were true, then Orly wouldn't be getting laughed out of every court that she sets foot into. Speaking for myself, I don't come here to refute birfer talking points because birfers are immune to facts, law, logic and reason. The court system has been doing a marvelous job of humiliating the birfers at every turn, seeing as how the birfer's understanding of the law comes from WND and Alice in Wonderland.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Actually, it's your claims that are are frivolous, mine are just fine. You haven't proven, yet, that Obama isn't a natural born citizen. I've proven he is by his birth in Hawaii, being born to an american citizen, verified by 2 newspaper announcements, and a witness. Once Hawaii said he was born there, he was a natural born citizen and no other state or legal entity can say he wasn't unless they PROVE the state of Hawaii was lying. Therefore, the vetting process was fine and we have a legal president.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

Jim, again I say they are not relevant to proving your point, that Barack Obama is lawfully under the COTUSA the POTUSA. So, why do you mention them, other than to spin your wheels? You have also admitted, that under the COTUSA, you accept the SHORT FORM COLB on display at FactCheck (a DNC website). Jim, reach down and see what you got left. Nothing.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

I got the legal president. What you got? Do you now accept that he was born in Hawaii?


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

Yep, the Great Obama Islamofascist Conspiracy that's been working since 1961 to put an uppity negro into office got to Dr. Rhodes. Soon they'll get to Orly, and then… you! Better lock the doors.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

Oh, Jim, please, I'm laughing too hard. You cannot prove anything except your own gullibility. Are you telling me, the hearsay, of a newspaper birth announce proves anything? Just because Hawaii, says Obama was born in Hawaii, proves zero, zip, nada, but it does contribute to conspiracy charges, unless they got a LONG FORM COLB. I'm glad you breached a point, Kenya does have a birth Certificate with footprint, as shown by John Lucas, on video, and in print.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Dkfmypcjw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCmpyQO6bbw
What has Hawaii shown? zero, zip, nada LFCOLB.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

Jim, a Short Form COLB does not prove NBC. If you believe it does, then good luck in your voting. I have a state of California certified photostat (on black and white photo paper) copy of my LFCOLB, as it appears in the microfilm in the state archives. Obama was born in 1961, computers weren't as capable then as in June 2007. But, on June 6 2007 a computer in Hawaii, commanded a LASER PRINTER to give birth to a President. LOL. Jim, I just want to see Obama bring his LFCOLB forth and present it to Orly Taitz. She will be in Washington, DC, as requested between October 16, 2009 and November 16, 2009. Trial date is January 26, 2010, in Federal Court, Santa Ana, CA.


xcott
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

“If no one takes on their arguements [sic], they win!”

And yet they keep losing over and over. If they should win simply by being ignored, then they must be the most incompetent people on the planet.


xcott
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

“I just want to see Obama bring his LFCOLB forth and present it to Orly Taitz.”

Then we can see the next conspiracy theory, and the birthers can scramble to demand some other document instead, like hospital records, or the president's thesis.

But if a pack of people were inventing all sorts of conspiracy codswollop and calling you a fraud, why would you give them what they want?


Ellie717
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Long Form Birth Certificates are not given to infant children. They're given to parents, and a paper copy was kept by the Hawaiian Dept of Vital Statistics. Who knows what happened to the paper copy given to his parents? It doesn't matter! Not at all. Why not? Because we have the original data that has been saved by the Vital Statistics people, and using that original data, they created a Certificate of Live Birth. It is just as official as the original paper copy that the parents' got shortly after he was born. My original driver's license that I got when I first started driving in NY State is not necessary for me to have today to prove that I can drive. I have an updated copy of it based upon the original data saved by the State to prove I am who I say I am.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

We don't need to go to Kenya. AXJ-HAWAII has discovered the original BC in the 1964 divorce papers. Just google it.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

xcott, admit it, you got suckered into the media hype, the sensationalism, the mob mentality, and forgot the dream of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. You were swooned by the quick wit and smooth talk of a salesman, and bought his pitch. Are you happy? BTW–Can a President, challenged with the eligibility requirement of COTUSA, claim Fifth Amendment protection, and if he did, would you trust him more?


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

TRUE a paper copy was kept by the Hawaiian Dept of Vital Statistics. Actually the birth hospital originates the LFCOLB, and gives a framable hospital form, with footprint to the parents. Parents, do not get a copy of the original LFCOLB, until it has been microfilmed into state records, and on request a photostat is made from the microfilm and sent to the requestor, for a fee.
The document shown on the Democrat FactCheck site, has data on it, but where did the data come from, and why hasn't that record been shown for a year?


xcott
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Apparently mine is a mob mentality so big that it includes the state government of Hawaii, and the federal judges that routinely laugh the birthers out of court.

I think the birther theory now borders on solipsism: it holds that pretty much everyone in the country, from the voters to the legislators to the judges who interpret the law, are all failing to see some obvious fact that only the birther can see, that our whole government is an illusion and only the birther's wacky view of the constitution is real.

Perhaps the birthers and teabaggers need to start their own country with their version of the constitution that nobody seems to believe. They can have a nation with no income taxes, no regluations, and no government intervention like building of roads or collecting of trash or electric lines. They can starve to death on a desert island with zero economic infrastructure and be the most free people in the world.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

Jim, the Nordyke twins and Edith Costa, don't have the original Hawaii state record. Don't you think the state would be foolish giving out original records? Nordyke twins and Edith Costa, have true copies from the original document, which has been microfilmed, for better retrieval and access. The original is in file or envelope, in box, in a warehouse.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

Conspiracy charges against who? Let's see, that's the State of Hawaii, 49 other Secretaries of State, various judges who've tossed the Birther complaints into the circular file, the U.S. Supreme Court… can you place conspiracy charges against the entire United States government for allowing an uppity negro in as President?


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

I will add the the Obama document displayed on the Democratic site FactCheck, merely has some data abstracted from a point of origin. Where is that origin? Lacking an origin, that FactCheck document is a conspiracy to defraud an election and 300 million American citizens, while putting our Armed Forces in a legal limbo of sorts, as they are occupying a foreign lands under an illegitimate Government, and killing people (murder) without the protections under the Geneva Conventions!


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

AXJ-HAWAII knows the document is fake that is why they are posting the 1964 documents.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

“Kenya does have a birth Certificate with footprint, as shown by John Lucas, on video, and in print.”

And you're accusing sane people of being gullible? If there's one thing that the birfers have shown over the past fw months it's that they are the most gullible people on the planet.

This is the same guy that tried to sell a kidney on eBay. It's every bit as fake as the last Kenyan birf sertifikat that Orly tried to pass off as real before she was laughed out of court.

And Hawaii saying that Obama was born there carries a LOT more weight than some birfer claiming he was really born in Kenya and having no evidence to back that claim up. Of course, lack of evidence hasn't stopped the birfers, and it won't any time soon. That's good for me because I like to laugh at birfers; they make for great comedy.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

No one's going to click on your website birfer, so stop spamming it. No one cares what stupid bullshit the right-wing loons fell for this week, and no one cares what basic rule of the law the birfers are either going to misunderstand or ignore entirely. Just change your name to AJX FAILS and be done with it.


villemar
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Yes, at best its a crackpot “faith” like the Hale-Bopp Comet Cult or belief that Xenu flew DC-8's into volcanos to cause disembodied Thetans to roam the Earth forevermore.

At worst its a folie à plusieurs, a shared total psychosis, no more reality-based or worthy of engagement than a urine-soaked street person shouting, “ZOROASTER RAPED MY APPLES!!!” at passersby at the top of his lungs.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Steve_X, what do you believe?


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Steve_X , the only document presented so far that proves a live birth occurred in a country is the Kenya hospital document baring a footprint, the Nordyke twins' LFCOLB and the Edith Costa LFCOLB. What do you know to the contrary?


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

thesheriffsani RIGHT ON!


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

No, you accept to easy an answer. Do you trust the document at FactCheck.org? What is it and what point does it prove?


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

No, I was just leading your crackpot racist theories to its logical conclusion, Traitorraven. Good luck overthrowing the legitimate United States government and remember to save the last bullet for yourself.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

Irrelevant. The onus is on you and your ilk to convince the rest of America that the uppity negro is illegitimate. So far you haven't, and I can confidently say you never will.


borderraven
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

There you go assuming the candidates for 2008 election were properly vetted, and reliable documents were scrutinized, by competent and well-meaning persons.
You'll be surprised.


msdaisy
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

You people are totally NUTZ! You claim Obama is not a “Natural Born Citizen” Uhh, YES he is! Please read: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/its-official-o…

And Ms “Tin Foil Hat” continues to claim that Obama can’t be a citizen because according to the constitution he must have “2 American Parents” in order to be a “NBC”. WRONG! The US Constitution reads: Amendment XIV, Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

And, Section 1, Article II of the U.S. Constitution states: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

It says Natural born citizen, and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama is a NBC, nowhere does it say that “Both Parents” have to be US citizens to be eligible for POTUS.

These are the facts. True and documented facts. Ones you can actually look up for your selves. Just because you “choose” not to believe these facts does not diminish their validity.

However there is NO validity to anything that the “Tin Foil Hat Queen” has said. NONE. Every outrageous claim made by any of you Birther crackpots has been debunked, re-debunked and debunked again. See for yourself:

http://www.factcheck.org/tag/birth-certificate/


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

They were properly vetted and scrutinized and one was duly sworn in as the 44th President of the United States of America. A vast majority of Americans believe this. There are no surprises here.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 1:35 am

I know that if you think that Kenyan birf sertfifkat is authentic, your delusion is much stronger than any of us sane people first thought. The first Kenyan birf sertifikat was an obvious forgery, and this one is even shittier.

Personally, I would love to see Orly try to pass off that piece of shit as authentic. The only thing that document (and I use the word loosely) proves is that birfers will fall for anything. If she though Judge Land’s order was a humiliating embarrassment, her crazy ass hasn’t seen anything yet. I only hope that someone will be around to get it on camera.


monkey99
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

UH OH.

It's starting to implode! OH NOOOOO!!

Where will the movement be without saint Orly. I guess this means there will be Obama lunch boxes, after all.


neilends
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Their questions have been answered countless times, on this website and on others. People get sick of copypasting after a while.


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

OK, now continue…what would Hawaii do if the Nordyke twins and Edith Costa do if they needed a new BC?


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Sorry Raven, watching the bears at the same time. Ok..now continue…what would happen if the Nordyk twins and Edith Costa needed new BC's?


xcott
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

*Starting* to implode? What was it doing before now?


Jim
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

Forget it, raven…BEARS WIN, BEARS WIN!!! You would have been forced to say they would have gotten a short form which would then prove that Obama was born in Hawaii. You would then give me the BS below, about it not being real, whereas I would have pointed out that all information was verified by the state of Hawaii as true, therefore making the information legal. Then, you'd either call me a name, or try the scream for show me the long form…I would either thank you for the complement, since insults from a birther are like complements from the majority…or I'd just sit hear and laugh my a** off out the delusional rantings from a biased idiot. Sorry to cut this short.


mantis
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

I believe you're a deranged moron.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

Nobody believes that stupid Certificate of Live Birth after the fact that Stanley Ann Dunham was not in Hawaii in August of 1961. Some believe she wasn't even pregnant. Funny how all the evidence has disappeared? Even Grandma and Uncle.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 12:12 am

Yeah, what mantis said.


careerfed
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 12:18 am

You just can't argue with a dining room table and I see there are several tables participating in this thread. Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America – Get Over It.

Try to be a productive citizen and less of an embarrassment. Thank you.


Jim
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 12:24 am

You cannot ignore the Hawaii BC certificate attested tp Hawaii officials…no matter how you try. But, why is it no Kenyan official will say it is a Kenyan BC?


monkey99
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 12:57 am

xcott,

I was talking about Saint Orly. Her head, you know………


csw888
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 2:26 am

Lets say it together, in unison-
you birfers are racist, republican, out of touch, living in the white man's past, completely shit for brains, and will never see the presidency again. Thanks God.


monkey99
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 5:03 am

C'mon, folks,

See it for what it is…..a joke! I can no more take these nuts seriously than I believe cats do brain surgery. The more Saint Orly talks, the more the followers go all atwitter. They are such pitiful creatures, what with their delusional existence, they refuse to see truth, though they seem normal otherwise.

So, poke fun! Keep it light! Why raise your blood pressure, when you can get a laugh?! Uh-oh. I sense another nut about to answer…….Did I mention they're predictable, too?


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 5:10 am

REFERRAL ORDER GIVES RISE TO SPECULATION THAT EXPEDITED DISCOVERY IS TO COMMENCE

Yes he does and precisely he understands the severity of this matter.

The American People created this great country and constitution and if a small conspiracy has banded together to try to overthrow it they will be arrested and accused of committing treason against the American People.

If OBAMA has a legitimate birth certificate proving he was born in the USA he has nothing to worry about, but if on the other hand, it is true that the 1964 documents prove he was not born in the USA he will immediately be arrested without any type of warning.

In that Court Room that Judge represents the American People and the Constitution so we are all waiting.

The Judge has already hinted he will hear the case in open Court and try it on the merits since there is enough prima facie evidence to justify a trial by jury.

There is absolutely no reason in the world why a President would issue an Executive Order to seal his documents when the American People and not him decide what documentation they require.

It is probably going to get very nasty on October 5, 2009 and the American People must begin letting this honorable Judge know how they really feel about this matter.

He can be contacted as follows:

U.S. Federal District Judge David Carter (Central District of California, Southern Division
http://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/
Address:
411 West Fourth Street, Room 1053
Santa Ana, CA 92701-4516
Phone:
(714) 338-4750

Hours:
10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, excluding court-observed holidays.

Judge Carter orders Motion for Rogatory Discovery to be heard

September 11, 2009 by John Charlton
REFERRAL ORDER GIVES RISE TO SPECULATION THAT EXPEDITED DISCOVERY IS TO COMMENCE

by John Charlton

(Sept. 11, 2009) — Yesterday U.S. Federal District Judge David Carter (Central District of California, Southern Division) ordered the Amended Motion for expedited Rogatory Discovery, filed by Attorney Taitz in the action Captain Pamela Barnett et al. vs. Obama et al. referred to Magistrate Judge Arthur Nakazato. This order followed Carter’s denial of Taitz’ request to remove Judge Nakazato from his role overseeing admission of evidence to the case, which duty he has according to Federal Court rules of procedure. Judge Nakazato is now to review the first Kenyan Birth Certificate.

Attorney Taitz had submitted in July a Kenyan Birth Certificate (hereafter the Lavendar Document) to be authenticated by means of a mandamus to Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, to move her to formally request the Kenyan Government to authenticate the document. This motion was denied by Judge Nakazato, whereupon Taitz filed a motion refusing to proceed before him, and a subsequent amendment to the initial Rogatory motion, on Aug. 20th.

Attorney’s for Barack Hussein Obama, led by Mr. George S. Cardona, acting U.S. Attorney, almost immediately replied to Carter’s order, with an ex-parte Application (accompanied by a proposed order), requesting immediate halt to any discovery which might be granted by the Magistrate Judge.

In this Ex-parte Application, Cardona requests,

an Order staying all discovery in this matter pending the Court’s ruling upon Defendent’s motion to Dismiss, currently set for hearing on October 5, 2009, with the exception of discovery which Plaintiffs can demonstrate, to the satisfaction of the Court, that they need in order to counter (this) said motion.

The substance of Cardona’s application is that it would violate procedures to allow any notable discovery, before Judge Carter considers the Defendent’s Motion to Dismiss, filed on Sept. 4, 2009 (editorialized by The Post & Email, on Wednesday).

At present it seems unclear, what the Defense in this case would fear from discovery resulting from what many Obama supporters have claimed is a forgery (based on a Bomford Birth Certificate, from South Australia, distributed by Bomford.net, an online geneological site); since, if the Lavender Document is a forgery, discovery should confirm this. Contrariwise, if the discovery would result in showing that Obama was in fact born in Mombasa, as the document purports, it is not clear why the U.S. Attorney Generals would oppose the divulging of information which would confirm the crime of the usurpation of the highest office of the land, by Barack Obama.

RUMOURS THAT CARTER HAS ORDERED EXPEDITED DISCOVERY ARE AMISS

This morning, Internet sites like Resistnet and Citizen Wells Blog are rife with rumours that Judge David Carter has granted expedited discovery in the action Barnett vs. Obama, in Santa Ana Federal Court.

The Post & Email can confirm from first hand soruces, that these rumors were based on the Referral order Carter issued yesterday and the previous court instruction regarding preparation for discovery, which should take place before the hearing on October 5th. This seems coherent with Judge Carter’s previous public statements, that procedures will be followed in the main case; which procedures did not call for expedited discovery at this time. Thus, The Post & Email can confirm that no expedited discovery has been granted in the principle action. The current dispute and ex-parte Application regard only the so-called Lavendar Document. Whether Judge Natazako will also review the Lucas Document is unclear at this time.

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monkey99
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 5:31 am

See what I mean?!

AXJ,

How long did it take you to hammer out that trash? Even if anyone here REALLY believed you, it's a lot of work for nothing. Gee, what's it like being a rocket scientist?


Orly Taitz: the Alexander Solzhenitsyn in this Constitutional crisis!
Pingback posted September 21, 2009 @ 11:02 am

[...] http://washingtonindependent.com/601…nt-against-her Orly Taitz’s Client Files A Complaint Against Her By David Weigel 9/19/09 10:23 AM Bad news for Orly Taitz, the indefatigable birther attorney. On September 17, she filed a motion of consideration on behalf of her client Capt. Connie Rhodes, asking for her deployment to be delayed. It was, typically for Taitz, overheated and incoherent: “[T]his court ignores some of the soundest and most carefully researched and professionally assembled and presented evidence, collated and substantiated by a former agent of England’s Fabled ‘Scotland Yard.’” Taitz’s motion was dismissed in an exasperated decision by Judge Clay Land that should definitely be read in full–I’ve provided an excerpt after the jump. (Erick Erickson of RedState is a fan of the dismissal.) But the twist today comes from Capt. Rhodes herself. She has sent a letter to Judge Clay Land, blasting Taitz for filing the motion to stay her deployment without even asking her. [...]


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Infant children are not given their long form birth certificates. The parents are given a duplicate copy of the original. When a child is born, there are two identical documents made. One is placed in the Vital Statistics’ vault, and the other is given to the parents, usually by mail, after the birth certificate has been created by info given to the Vital Statistics Dept from the parents and the hospital on a form. The hospital sends that form to the Vital Statistics people, and they create one record for them to keep and one to give to the parents.

I don’t know what happened to the copy the parents had. Maybe the Dad took it back to Africa. Maybe the mom lost it in travelling. Maybe it still exists, who knows. Doesn’t matter. The Hawaii Dept of Vital Statistics used the data from the original that THEY still have to create a COLB. They don’t give OUT photostatic copies of that original data. If someone needs that official info, they make a NEW COLB. If Obama lost this COLB, they would create ANOTHER ONE that looked just like it, only it would have a diff serial number. They use the original data, however, so there’s no need for US to see the copy of the original document that THEY have – unless you think there’s a conspiracy in Hawaii going back 48 year that extends now to the head of the Dept of Vital Statistics and multiple other workers within that organization. Remember, he had to have that document or a copy to get a Passport and a Driver’s License, so the conspiracy would have to go back at least that far, 30 years ago. Are you REALLY this looney that you think there’s a conspiracy? Really? One that involved the peons in the Dept of Vital Statistics all the way up to the head of the Dept? Really?


xcott
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 2:31 pm

What's it like? Well, for starters, you believe in science and evidence, and you learn to abandon a belief that doesn't make any sense.

What's it like being a conspiracy theorist and belonging to a denial movement? I bet it must really suck, living in a world where every source of information contradicts the belief system. I can't imagine how nervous or annoyed the believer must feel every time he or she opens a newspaper or reads a book.


xcott
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

“if a small conspiracy has banded together to try to overthrow it they will be arrested and accused of committing treason against the American People.”

I doubt it. Just look at the birther movement: a small band of deniers attempting to undermine our constitutional government through insane rumors and allegations of illegitimacy. Surely nobody is going to arrest them and accuse them of treason.

In some other countries it can be illegal to spread false news and denial movements. In the USA it is generally legal to mount massive disinformation campaigns, even with the malicious goal of overthrowing our democratically elected government.

And that's what this whole affair is all about. With every election, there are true believers who simply cannot believe that they lost. Aside from inventing theories so they don't feel like losers, they try to undermine the winners with rumor campaigns, even if that means undermining democracy. For them, it is not treasonous to overthrow the new government because they cannot accept that the new government can even exist.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

You sir, are fucking awesome…
Keep ‘em coming. The birther’s will.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Fail.


RD
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

2 Million…last I hear, it was like 6.5 million people and all of Belgium that was there.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Awesome! Can we make a reality show out of it?

Call it birther nation…


Jim
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Well, border, I’m happy for you. People who can laugh at themselves tend to live a longer and happier life. Just be sure not to get lost in your own delusional makings…else you may take yourself way too seriously.


monkey99
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

xcott,

I think you have it wrong. If you read my posts, you will see where I stand on this issue.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

I….am….in….tears….of laughter!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

Oh ho ho ho….keep ‘em coming psychos…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

. Thank you. I’ve been pointing out to people for months about this brownshirt revolution…and I find it repulsive that some would try, just dare to even try, to equate moderates and ‘lefties’ with these actions. I’d seen it in some of the B&W films about the Nazi party and read some historical articles. This puts it right in the face.

Only problem is the Oily Taintz Klan…right now though, they are just comedic relief…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Her fuckin’ smokin’ body! I mean Jeeeeesus Christ! Dumb as a bowl of fruit loops and just as colorful…what I wouldn’t give to bang her. I’ll give her a view of Russia she’ll never forget. And I’m from Joisey!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

Give ‘em a minute…they’re digging for another answer in their ‘white hat grab bag’.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

OMG….I have found a home. A place where articulate thinking feeling individuals come to meet and make fun of the willfully ignorant and blatantly racist.

Too bad you can’t add people as friends. :(

Thats ok, the Right Wing-nuts from the Oily Taintz Tin Foil Klan make it worth the price of admission.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Make sure you pull it out of your ass before you try to shoot it.

On second though…no, don’t.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Wait, isn’t the definition of insane doing the same things over and over again expecting different results.

1) Obama provides Birth Certificate, from the State of Hawaii
2) Birthers reject said document out of hand. Fortunately, their request is impossible. Burden of proof rests on them.
3) Because Burden of proof rests on the tinfoil hats of so few, the TFK(Tin Foil Klan aka Oily Taintz Klan), they go looking for evidence…other than that which has already been accepted by the State of Hawaii because they created the record.
4) Birthers go into endless loop of creating false documents(forgery?) and attempting to use said documents as evidence of the Presidents birthplace, at which point, judges snicker in their chambers for about 1hour(usually MUCH less) and return to throw the birthers out of their honorable courts.
5) Birthers sniff a line of Kool-Aid, don their white hoods and head back to crazyville looking for more ‘evidence’.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

There’s a pattern developing here. Can anyone sense it?
Its either rain or tears.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

No trash just hard cold facts. Pre-discovery has been ordered and Hawaii must comply.

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2548


Antibirther
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

AJX, let’s just say for the sake of argument that Judge Carter orders a copy of the presidents birth certificate from the state of Hawaii.

Guess what, they will send him a COLB just like the one posted on-line.

And you know what else? The judge will accept this as legitimate proof that the president was born in Honolulu and you will be SOL.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

AXJ: ===”The Judge has already hinted he will hear the case in open Court and try it on the merits since there is enough prima facie evidence to justify a trial by jury.”===

O'rly? What prima facie evidence would that be? Would that be a certified document from the state of Hawaii stating the Barack Obama II was born in Honolulu?

Yep, with that you would lose.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

AXJ: ====”If OBAMA has a legitimate birth certificate proving he was born in the USA he has nothing to worry about”===

That is exactly what he posted on-line.

You fail.


ibwilliamsi
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

It is a good theory and a good way to live your own life. Until you meet someone who truly believes Ms. Taitz is in the right, and the rest of the world is in the wrong. And they tell you that they love their guns, and that this false president will take their guns away. I'm not a nut, I think these folks have great potential to be laughed at. Until someone takes them seriously and acts violently upon their fears.


monkey99
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

It's still the same old crap.

Barack Obama is PRESIDENT. Whether you accept him or not, none of your idiocy can or will change that.

Trump things up, whether they make sense or not, but to stay with this foolishness is inviting ridicule. These nuts refuse to see this flaw. That's why they keep coming back, expecting a “revelation” to befall those of us who live our lives in REALITY, then get mad when they are made the butt of jokes, as it should be.

All the toiling you folk do to prove this nonsense is entertaining, though. Keep it up! I can use the occasional chuckle!!


monkey99
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

ibwilliamsi,

I see your point, but if it comes to that, it will be by led by Glenn Beck, not Taitz. Taitz would have serious trouble organizing a thought, much less a sympathetic crowd.

Beck, on the other hand, will soon foment insurrection, as soon as he can organize the “giant conspiracy theory” into something his followers can easily understand. Right now, it's the Cloward-Piven nonsense. How he's going to dumb this one down for his sycophants, I'm not sure, but it will be hilarious, nonetheless. Heck, his show might just be pulled before that, anyway.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the gun thing, though. Beck knows it's HIS neck if that happens. He says he doesn't care if he loses his job, money, or anything else, but fomenting death and destruction carries a price, regardless of the 1st Amendment.

Me? I don't live my life in fear of what might happen. Besides, they aren't as numerous as they would have you believe. Insanity has it's own natural limitations. Besides, why give them ANY legitimacy? They've been screaming for it, for months now. How far has it gotten them?

Sure beats being rational, don't it?


lordbyron13
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

You're quite forgiving, and that is a commendable trait.

However, you're ignoring a huge part. The soldier did not authorize her atty to pursue this matter on her behalf…and she never implied consent either.

Whether that's true or not belies the real issue, which is twofold:
A) There are real problems when someone who has passed the Bar exam in whatever state(as in location) can take action on behalf of their client with out authorization(not counting the State in some cases).

B) If this soldier is telling the truth, then, we only have Taintz(yes, I spelled it that way) and her ilk to be concerned with. If this soldier is only faxing this response to distance herself after this became a well publicized failure…well, then, you should take this seriously…it means these people will do anything to further their radical right wing agenda.

They are truly dangerous. Lets hope you're right and I'm wrong…


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david
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

AXJ Rocks, I can assure you one thing, and this is it! First of all, President Obama won the election because he was voted in by the “majority” of the american people. If the majority had not voted for him, then John mccain would have been president. So, your so called birther theory is bull! That theory has been dissproven and debunked many times. Obama is the President of the U.S. Period, so just get over it and live with it man and stop your complaining. If you think that you can do any better, then run for President in 2012, or just shut up! I can also tell you this, if anything happens to him by you so called birthers, you will feel the wrath of the entire nation, beleive that! And that is because the majority of the nation voted him in, so you can stop your birther theories, period! Obama is the president, he was born in hawaii(which is part of the U.S.), and if you dont like it, then run against him in 2012 and see if you can beat him. If not, then just shut up!


Jim
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

NOTE TO ALL: It's fine to argue with the blowers, I can promise you it's funny. Just do NOT click on any of their sites. They are trying to pawn off old worn-out forgeries and fake unprovable theories. The only thing is they are being paid by the visit, so the best way to shut them up is to not give them that money they need so desperately to keep their delusions going. That is why they keep bringing up the same tired arguments and hope they can get the next reader to click on their so-called “proof”. If they had any real proof, it wouldn't be on this board, it would be front and center on Fox News.


kjwhite
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

What a buch of sore losers the birthers are. You remind me of spoiled children that stick their fingers in their ears and say —”la-la-la-la- I'm-not-listening -la-la-la-la”—- when their mom says something they don't like.

How many judges need to throw this nonsense out of their courtroom before you will give up the fantasy that you will somehow find a way to “UN-elect” President Obama? You lost, get over it, be a big boy, a big girl, stop the pouting and better luck next time. Have you ever asked yourself what is at the root of this obsession? A little soul-searching might be in order because from the outside looking in, it sure isn't patriotism that the rest of us see in you.

A while back my son needed his BC for a state job with Dept. of Corrections in our home state. We went to the county clerk, paid $10.00, and they looked up the original record and printed us a new copy of his birth certificate. This was perfectly acceptable to the state government and would have been acceptable to the federal gov't as well. Lots of people request new copies of their birth certificates…they get lost, they get old and worn, they need them for a job, etc. This is not exactly rocket science.

So let me understand you here— according to YOUR (birther) logic, my son would not “really” be a US citizen because they didn't what? Rip out the page from the state's records and hand me that instead… or something? If that is not their procedure, why would they deviate FROM procedure? If the copy they gave us certifies his birth, WHY would we need anything else?

The State of Hawaii has verified numerous times that the BC Obama has is true and accurate. So what is the problem? What exactly are you people SAYING?
Are you accusing the Director of Hawaii's Department of Health of being a liar and a conspirator? Are you accusing Hawaii's State Registrar of Vital Statistics of being a liar as well? And of course the newspaper that printed his birth announcement back in 1961, I suppose the editor was a conspirator as well, planting a fake birth announcement nealry 50 years ago in preperation for baby Obama to one day be president……

And all this MAKES SENSE to you???
You people are blind fanatics, plain and simple. While no other presidential candidate was asked to do so, (or has EVER faced such extreme scrutiny and accusations) as Obama has, (though he didn't have to), to satisfy his nay-sayers he STILL went ahead and provided a copy of his BC online for all to see, a BC that by the way, was PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE to the STATE DEPARTMENT, and STILL you say not good enough. Every judge that has looked at it has said it is a true and accurate document, yet YOU say not good enough.

Me personally, I'd have NEVER put my BC online– I'd have been angry that I was being held to a different set of rules than other candidates, but he did it anyway. I don't blame him one bit for saying look, this documentation was verified and good enough to satisfy the State Dept. If it's not good enough for you, then you are just out of luck.

I think if God him/herself came down and gave Obama their personal seal of approval, you kooks would still say not good enough. Face it, your masturbatory fantasies of de-legitimizing the president are just that…fantasies. Get over yourselves.


Chester
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Once again, we have seen the stupidity, or Orly Taitz, and her kind. Here's a woman who is a foreigner, and who can barely speak English. Imagine her kind, challenging the President's legitimacy. For all of the trash, who challenges Obama's presidency, leave, if you don't like it. This country would be better off, without your kind.


Harold Franklin
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Oh, I love it…Orly gets a Bar Complaint…hopefully, the Bar will revoke her license.


monkey99
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

kjwhite,

Easy, there.

Your post is fine and dandy (and the truth, by the way), but these nuts don't want to see or hear the truth. Truth is something they discard, when it doesn't serve their purpose, or it is in direct contradiction to their perceived idea of it.

They've been told, time and time again, yet here they come with more idiocy. Look at the posts on the Taitz/ birther sites, that should convince you that they are not interested in truth.

Treat them as the clowns they are. They toil away, oblivious to that which any sane person would have accepted looooong ago. I find this EXTREMELY funny! Of course, with Saint Orly at the helm, the shipwreck is inevitable, so have some fun! Being serious with these crackpots will just raise your blood pressure. They don't deserve that amount of legitimacy.


monkey99
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

Jim,

Sage advice to all! Thanks!!


monkey99
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Harold,

No, we NEED nutbags like Taitz to show the dividing line between lunacy and legitimacy. C'mon, she's like a kid trying to paint the Mona Lisa with Crayola crayons!

Personally, I want to see the next “real” BC she hawks to the more intellectually challenged among us. The giggle factor is rising!


kjwhite
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

LOL…..I am now calm….sure I know they've heard it all before by why waste a perfectly good caffeine-induced hissyfit, I always say….lol. These people are like Metamucil for the brain….that felt good and I feel ten pounds lighter. (wink)


monkey99
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

kjwhite,

Good for you! I was a bit worried, there. I see your point, Those hissyfits can't be pulled for just anything!

Keep smiling! And laughing…….at the birthers!


EmmanuelWinner
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

I admit that Charlton's attempted right-wing spin tries to put the best face on the matter for birthers, but he reports enough of the facts to indicate that his article says the exact opposite of what you claim for it: read the first couple paragraphs of Charlton's article more carefully. Basically Taitz has lost her request for a new judge and further discovery, and next up is a hearing on a motion to dismiss during which Taitz will have to produce her evidence on hand (which happens, in this particular case, to be the Australian forgery). It's incredible that you cannot read what you yourself are posting here.


Jim
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

Emmanuel, it's not about facts anymore…it's about clicks. They know they've got nothing…if they did the last place they'd be is here. Quick clicking, they have to move on to the next message board for those badly needed clicks. Must be getting something for them.


Jim
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

In fact, most times when I point that out, AXJ comes back with either the mother wasn't in hawaii, or some other forgery. They're just spewing the WND mantra, and getting paid for it.


borderraven
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 1:40 am

Responses, Replies and Other Motion Related Documents
8:09-cv-00082-DOC-AN Captain Pamela Barnett, et al v. Barack Hussein Obama, et al
(ANx), DISCOVERY, MANADR

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

Notice of Electronic Filing
The following transaction was entered by Taitz, Orly on 9/21/2009 at 5:30 PM PDT and filed on 9/21/2009
Case Name: Captain Pamela Barnett, et al v. Barack Hussein Obama, et al
Case Number: 8:09-cv-82
Filer: Pamela Barnett
Document Number: 69

Docket Text:
OPPOSITION to MOTION to Dismiss Case ; AND MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT OF MOTION[56] filed by Plaintiff Pamela Barnett. (Attachments: # (1) Exhibit Letter from legal counsel of admiral Mulin, chairman of joint chief of staff, # (2) Exhibit Statement by Connie Rhodes, MD, # (3) Exhibit Dossier 1, # (4) Exhibit Dossier 3, # (5) Exhibit Dossier 4, # (6) Exhibit Dossier 5, # (7) Exhibit Dossier 6 redacted SS, # (8) Exhibit Cert. Mail Receipts from US Atty Taylor, # (9) Exhibit Quo Warranto, # (10) Exhibit Easterling et al rule 17, # (11) Exhibit Barnett FOIA response)(Taitz, Orly)
8:09-cv-82 Notice has been electronically mailed to:


borderraven
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 2:11 am

kjwhite “The State of Hawaii has verified numerous times that the BC Obama has is true and accurate. So what is the problem? What exactly are you people SAYING?”

Well, the true and accurately “transcribed” HI-COLB displayed on Democratic Party propaganda site FactCheck, contains just enough data to maybe get a bicycle registered or be elected as a US Senator, but it sorely lacks credibility to ascend to the Oval Office. If a person wants to be POTUSA they will need to dig up or obtain from state archives a certified copy of the original “LFCOLB”.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/assets/gif/M1…

I don't even know if the FBI will accept the COLB displayed on FactCheck, for an applicant for Special Agent.

BTW — If you voted for Obama in the 08 election, ask your state SecState for the DNC Certification of Nomination, Nancy Pelosi, signed so he could be on your ballot. I'll bet she didn't mention the US Constitutional qualifications for POTUSA. The certs sent to CA and TX, didn't say Obama-Biden met COTUSA qualifications for Election 08, so there is a growing number of conspiracy to commit election fraud.

Hey, maybe as the circle closes on Obama, He'll invent a national emergency, declare Martial Law, envoke Emergency Powers, and remain in office for 20 years. Gee, I miss those 10pm to 5am curfews we had in the Philippines. Welcome to the New Third World Order America!


borderraven
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 2:31 am

kjwhite, “A while back my son needed his BC for a state job with Dept. of Corrections in our home state. We went to the county clerk, paid $10.00, and they looked up the original record and printed us a new copy of his birth certificate. This was perfectly acceptable to the state government and would have been acceptable to the federal gov't as well. Lots of people request new copies of their birth certificates…they get lost, they get old and worn, they need them for a job, etc. This is not exactly rocket science.”

What a great idea, you shou tell Obama this so maybe he can find his — if it exists.

So far all he has shown is this
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/pass…
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/pass…
http://www.FactCheck.org

When he needs one like this
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/assets/gif/M1…
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/pass…

Maybe he just needs a little motivation.

http://www.uslaw.com/library/Obama_Citizenship/…

District of Columbia Code Section 16-3501 states:

§ 16-3501. Persons against whom issued; civil action.

A quo warranto may be issued from the United States District Court for the District of Columbia in the name of the United States against a person who within the District of Columbia usurps, intrudes into, or unlawfully holds or exercises, a franchise conferred by the United States or a public office of the United States, civil or military. The proceedings shall be deemed a civil action.

This is the only statute in the entire body of United States federal law which specifically provides for removing all officers of the United States located in the District of Columbia, whether appointed or elected. InArticle 1 Section 8 Clause 17, Congress was given broad sweeping authority over every possible legal case involving offices of the Government of the United States located in the District of Columbia. The office of President of the United States is in the District of Columbia and is certainly governed by the United States Constitution. Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17 states:

Congress shall have Power exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States??

Due to a little thing called ?SEPARATION OF POWERS?, Congress is the only branch which has the authority to remove a sitting President. For a comprehensive review of this issue, please see my prior series of posts entitled, Quo Warranto Legal Brief: part 1, part 2, and part 3.


villemar
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 3:20 am

She filed another frivolous case electronically. Aren't the internets great? Anyone can post anything, regardless of psychosis or mental handicap.


kjwhite
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 3:51 am

BORDERRAVEN – He “needs” to submit a different form than everyone else according to who, YOU? lol Can you explain to me why he is the only candidate you feel this is “required” of? John McCain was born in another country altogether, and his regular old BC was just fine with the government as well. I would think the vetting process is pretty rigid for president—you may not realize this but the gov actually DOES have people that handle that sort of thing….lol. I mean, by all mean apply if you think the job should be yours, but I imagine those gov. employees would disagree.

It doesn't seem that the government (or the republican party) had any problems with his documentation, and Obama certainly has enough republican enemies in the senate and congress that would have SURELY brought this up as an issue, if indeed it WERE an issue.

Bottom line is it's only an issue with a handful of you fruitcakes. I suppose you also believe he will soon call down the mother ship and the grays will enslave the planet too. since FOX has become the National Enquirer of news channels, I'm sure they'll have a story like that soon for you of the supermarket tabloid ilk. There ya go, something to look forward to.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 4:06 am

Another day, another case from Our Lady of Nitrous Oxide on a one-way ticket for some judge's circular file. I wonder if she'll be able to file electronically from the slammer once she gets hit by the inevitable contempt charge.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 4:07 am

Hey, if Bootsie's aboard the mothership, I'm all aboard.


Mum48
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 6:28 am

First of all, a copy of the President's birth certificate has already been available and you can see it here:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.h…

You will note the small print at the bottom of the document that says “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” What that would seem to me to indicate would be that this document is all that is necessary as proof of birth.

The examples of a birth certificates which you showed for Eleanor Nordyke's twin children, who were born in 1961, are similar to the one which my parents received at the time of my birth (1948), and which I have in my files. Mine also has white writing on a black background. However, when I requested copies of my birth certificate in order to obtain a passport or provide proof of birth for some other reason, the copies which were sent to me by the county in which I was born are nearly identical to the one which I reference above for President Obama.

NO ONE and, I repeat, NO ONE has their original birth certificate. That document, which is completed at the time of the child's birth by the hospital is sent to the records department of the county or parish in which the child was born. Copies of birth certificates that are similar to the one that my parents gave me and those you linked to belonging to the Nordyke children are also copies, but they were made in the days before electronic record keeping and transmission. At the time of my birth, and obviously at the time of the Nordkye children's birth, a different method of copying (perhaps Thermofax?) was used. As far as I know, nearly every government facility that handles copies of birth certificates in the United States uses current electronic means of reproduction, which results in a more spare but perfectly adequate document for proof of birth in every circumstance.


Mum48
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 6:32 am

Wow, I thought you were a serious person. Now that I've seen you refer to FactCheck as a “Democratic Party propaganda site” I'll just lump you in with all the birther/teabagger crazies and find some educated and reasonable people to dialogue with.


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msdaisy
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 10:48 am

Actually there have been two other complaints filed against her with the bar as well. This site has a link to a PDF file of one of those complaints, which is very interesting. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/complain…
And here’s the other, http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2009…

It shouldn’t be much longer before we are rid of her, at least rid of her ability to continue to manipulate people into letting her file these absurd court cases.


msdaisy
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 11:03 am

Yes Jim, and I did click on one of those sites yesterday and my Virus scan went nuts flashing up all sorts of attack warnings. I quickly hit the Internet kill switch on my laptop and closed the site and then ran my full system scan. It found and removed 3 viruses. So be careful if you do go to any of them!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Well, if she has that much money, the Judge should tripple the fines.

Let’s hope she remembers to report the fine to the Bar Association.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

According to the California Bar Association, it takes about 6 months for a
complaint to be investigated.

There was one complaint back in May (see scribd.com), one just recently,
and probably one more from Rhodes.

So, yes, this will eventually come to a head. She is not making many
friends in the legal profession and is embarrassing the real lawyers out
there.

—————-


Anonymous
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

According to the California Bar Association, it takes about 6 months for a
complaint to be investigated.

There was one complaint back in May (see scribd.com), one just recently,
and probably one more from Rhodes.

So, yes, this will eventually come to a head. She is not making many
friends in the legal profession and is embarrassing the real lawyers out
there.


mythago
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

“Electronic filing” has nothing to do with the Internet. It means that she used a paid service, like Lexis/Nexis, rather than filing it in person or paying a messenger to take it to the courthouse.


xcott
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

Of course, this is false. Obama did not need, and does not need, to present any more documentation than he did.

Obama WAS put on the ballot, and he WAS sworn in as a senator, and he WAS inaugurated as president. His documentation was sufficient for him to get the job, because he CURRENTLY HAS THE JOB.

This alone is proof that his Hawaiian birth certificate is sufficient proof of citizenship. Just like the law says it is: the COLB is legally valid for all applications, state and federal, requiring a birth certificate.

You say that Obama needs to provide more. Or else what? Or else birthers will officially decide that he's not the president?


xcott
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

Borderraven says, “Well, the true and accurately “transcribed” HI-COLB displayed on Democratic Party propaganda site FactCheck, contains just enough data to maybe get a bicycle registered or be elected as a US Senator, but it sorely lacks credibility to ascend to the Oval Office.”

But we can verify with our own eyes that what you're saying is false: Obama WAS inaugurated as president. He did ascend to the oval office, although a small pack of true believers are still desperately trying to pretend that it didn't happen.

Clearly his documentation was sufficient to establish qualification for the presidency, because we can open a newspaper any day of the week and see that Obama IS the president of the United States.

Also, spare me the “Emergency Powers” conspiracy theory. People invent that one about every president. With Clinton it was an alleged UN-FEMA takeover using black helicopters; with Bush there was the conspiracy theory that he would simply refuse to step down at the end of his term (absurd, because according to the Constitution you don't have to “step down” to stop being president; you simply cease to be the president at the end of your term.) Every president has his most paranoid detractors who think he's planning to become supreme ruler for life; those people try hard to convince the rest of the population, but of course they only come across as raving lunatics.


xcott
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

It stands to reason that hackers assembling botnets will target the most gullible fraction of the population. Basically you should avoid any web site that appears to appeal to mouth-breathing morons: there is a good chance that something is there to take over your computer.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

Looks like Judge Carter has sided with Orly on this one and will ORDER discovery. Agreat day in America! http://www.axjus.com


monkey99
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Keep dreamin', space cadet!

This little blip will come to nothing…..just like ALL the other half-baked attempts OT has made. Keep on toiling!! You freaks are better than any comedy show! Keep it up!


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Jim
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Besides, we're up to your game here. You're just looking for clicks to get paid by WND! We refuse to go to your sites anymore…you're just going to have to go off and play with yourself now.


borderraven
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

xcott, Senator BHO, was nominated by by the Democratic Party, and Nancy Pelosi, signed a Certification of Candidates, which was sent to each state, so Obama-Biden would get on the ballot. Which version of these documents is at your Secretary of Stat office?
http://www.rightsidenews.com/images/stories/Sep…
http://www.rightsidenews.com/images/stories/Sep…
http://www.rightsidenews.com/images/stories/doc…

Just between you and the DNC, have you been defrauded into voting for an unqualified candidate?


borderraven
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

Mum48, That document doesn't have a legible Certificate Number, and the raised seal in not visible. Now, if the Cert# and seal were good, it only contains data which has been transcribed from a point of origin. An actual copy of the originating source would be most convincing.

btw–I have my certified photostat of my LFCOLB, with my Mother's signature.


borderraven
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

1. BHO has yet to share LFCOLB, but that may not be needed.
2. DNC Chair Pelosi failed or neglected to vet her candidate (fingers pointing —><—) and fraudulently misled 48 state election officials who put Obama on the ballots. And we are to believe Obama was only going along for the ride to see how far he could get, be fore getting caught.
3. A procedural error by VP Cheney in the counting of the Electoral College votes, opens door to Congress members second chance to challenge. 3USC15
4. Admission in Hawaii of a material fact opens door to a demand evidence claimed in existance.
5. And the cases keep marching forward.


msdaisy
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

As I said earlier this morning I clicked on one of those sites yesterday and my Virus scan went nuts flashing up all sorts of attack warnings. I quickly hit the Internet kill switch on my laptop and closed the site and then ran my full system scan. It found and removed 3 viruses. Maybe it’s a OT conspiracy to crash all computers who blog in opposition to her ranting and raving lunacies, but I certainly won’t go back to any of them.


borderraven
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Read:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode/

3 U.S.C. § 15 Counting electoral votes in Congress

Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding
every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives
shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1
o'clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate
shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously
appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of
Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the
President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to
be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers
shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of
the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then
read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make
a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and
the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in
this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to
the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of
the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of
the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United
States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the
Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or
paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.

Watch: 2008 ELECTION 2009 Electoral College Vote Count
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcGt8hQZzg4

Observe: Followiing the electoral vote count at about the 27:00 minute mark, what failed to occur?


smrstrauss
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

The Certification of Live Birth that Obama showed and that was confirmed by the two officials in Hawaii, is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department. Therefore, when you say that he needs to show the original birth certificate, that is not true. He has shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate, which is by the way the only birth document that Hawaii sends out these days. When you ask for a copy of your birth certificate in Hawaii, you get the Certification of Live Birth.

This is what the Wall Street Journal said about the situation: “Further, if Congress were to pass the so-called birther bill, Obama would be able to comply easily. The bill would require presidential campaigns to submit “a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate” to the Federal Election Commission. The certificate Obama has released publicly would meet this requirement.” That is because the Birther Bill asks for the OFFICIAL birth certificate.

And the Wall Street Journal concludes: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

No you don't have a LFCOLB. I don't see it, therefore it doesn't exist, therefore you must be a Kenyan.


borderraven
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

I guess by fraud, ignorance, malice, corruption or conspiracy anyone can become a US President.


Mum48
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

No one but the people for whom the certificate was meant need the certificate number, which is why it was blocked out. And the raised seal on most documents is usually not legible in a copy, as it is a three-dimensional “object” being captured in a two-dimensional media.

Obviously, whatever document was necessary for the Electoral College was what was supplied by President Obama. He really doesn't need to convince anyone else. And the fact that people are obsessed about this amounts to little more than a witch hunt. As I've said many times before, if his father had been a white British landowner we wouldn't be wasting so much time and energy disputing this.

And I'm not really sure what you are attempting to prove with the statement: “I have my certified photostat of my LFCOLB, with my Mother's signature.” I also have a similar document, but, in my case, what Cook County did 60 years ago doesn't really prove anything. We do a lot of things differently today, even in the area of the storing/copying/certifying records. It's called progress.


Jim
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 1:09 am

And, of course, by spouting lies, showing forgeries, and yelling loud you become a blower…ho, hum. An insult by a blower is like a complement by the majority…that means we have the right man in the WH. Write, maybe he'll even send you an autograph picture to whack off on your fantasies.


Jim
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 1:31 am

Monkey99: “No, we NEED nutbags like Taitz to show the dividing line between lunacy and legitimacy. C'mon, she's like a kid trying to paint the Mona Lisa with Crayola crayons!”

And a legion of 3 AKC, Facts, and Raven to attest to the authenticity of the new “REAL” Mona Lisa. I think the contrast when comparing with forged documents they've been showing us against what is true is apropos.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 3:51 am

I guess you're right. It worked for Bush, after all.


Harold Franklin
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 5:25 am

THAT IS AN AWESOME WEBSITE!!!!


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 5:40 am

Apparently AXJ-HAWAII has published the amended Birth Certificate. The truth is out…

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?p=7461#7461


Antibirther
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

Give it up. Idiots like that will be on their deathbeds, years from now, raving about Obama's birth certificate.


xcott
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

It also helps having a majority of your countrymen deciding that you are the better candidate, and casting more votes for you.

Ultimately this is what the conspiracy theories are all about: the attempt to perpetually deny this one traumatic fact, that the public honestly chose the other guy.

Conspiracists focus on the election itself, as if by disproving its legitimacy they can pretend the whole losing thing never happened.


xcott
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

But what does this have to do with anything?

I think you're just dodging the point before it pops your bubble: Obama's birth certificate was sufficient, for the obvious reason that he was put on the ballot, he was sworn in as senator, and he was inaugurated as president.

This is no surprise, since the state of Hawaii clearly states that the birth certificate he put online is sufficient proof of birth for any state or federal application requiring a birth certificate.

Your response to this is to start asking about other random documents, basically changing the subject before the subject changes your mind.


xcott
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

“An actual copy of the originating source would be most convincing.”

I notice you say “most” convincing. This is just a sneaky way of saying that you still won't be convinced; you'll just find that document the most believable of all the things you won't believe.


xcott
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Your link only shows a photo of the real birth certificate, which clearly shows his birthplace as Honolulu.

If “the truth is out,” why can't you show a picture of it?


Slim Cognito
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 3:13 am

So, AXJ, your real name is Nobody? Odd that.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Ya borderraven…but wait till Misstickley publishes the 1961 and 64 addendum she fortunately made a copy of before the dictator sealed it…she said she will post it on AXJ…just waiting…


borderraven
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 12:04 am

AXJ ROCKS, I can't wait! My silence in this forum is due to lackluster information. After October 5, during Oct 16 to Nov 17, and trial, it may be wortwhile to read this forum. Too many interesting things elswhere, but I'll be back…


Jim
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 1:39 am

October 5th, Judge takes under advisement. 2 business days later, dismissed. Yawn, be more fun to see you suffer over this one as you did the last. However, I will give you an outside shot, at not looking as foolish. The Orly Ditz Flight may be grounded before then. She could find herself suspended on October 2nd, and a real lawyer can get shot down for you.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:03 am

Don’t fall for Obama’s tricks. Obama is ADMITTEDLY NOT Constitutionally legal to hold office. “Obama republished – at his web official site, Fightthesmears.com – only that part of the Factcheck.org analysis which stated that the President was a British citizen at birth. Obama republished this word for word thereby admitting the truth of the following assertion:
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children…” There it is, a CONFESSION that came straight from Obama. How much more proof do you folks need before you understand the TRUE situation?! Birthplace is NOT the issue, “natural born Citizen” status is ONLY AVAILABLE if BOTH PARENTS were U.S.Citizens at the time a child is born. THAT IS LAW.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:51 am

The “letter from Captain Rhodes” is now a PROVEN FORGERY.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 9:58 am

Don’t fall for Obama’s tricks. Obama is ADMITTEDLY NOT Constitutionally legal to hold office. “Obama republished – at his web official site, Fightthesmears.com – only that part of the Factcheck.org analysis which stated that the President was a British citizen at birth. Obama republished this word for word thereby admitting the truth of the following assertion:
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children…” There it is, a CONFESSION that came straight from Obama. How much more proof do you folks need before you understand the TRUE situation?! Birthplace is NOT the issue, “natural born Citizen” status is ONLY AVAILABLE if BOTH PARENTS were U.S.Citizens at the time a child is born. THAT IS LAW.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 10:03 am

It takes more than being a common “Citizen” to legally qualify to become president. A person MUST BE a “natural born Citizen”, which is a classification that can only be acquired at birth and only by those who had TWO U.S.Citizen parents at birth. Obama CANNOT meet the legal standard, therefore, by law, he MUST be removed from office.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

Cite your source, please


Steve_X
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

Cut the crap Orly, we know it's you. Using an alias only makes you look even more like an idiot.


xcott
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

Ha, so George Washington wasn't a legitimate president?

This is indeed a disturbing alternate universe. I'll stick with the real one, thank you.


xcott
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Lawyer's source is the fact that YOU ARE A PROVEN CIA SHILL.

Aaaand, 20 GOTO 10.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 2:11 am

(insert link to wingnut website here)


AXJ REALLY ROCKS
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 8:04 am

LETTER FROM AXJ TO JANICE OKUBO OF HAWAII HEALTH DEPARTMENT

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2589


monkey99
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Breaking big rocks into little rocks would be boring in and of itself, but you birthers do it with a smile!

You know, you can dress up a dogturd by coating it in chocolate, with sprinkles and a cherry on top, but ultimately, it's still a dogturd. You toilers have me in stitches!!


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

As much as I'm sure Lawyer would like to believe that, I'd still like to see what “proof” there is that the letter is a forgery. I've already seen other articles validating it so now, in the spirit of Orly, the burden of proof is on the defendent.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:00 am

You may enjoy these posts…

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2608

Looks like in the end Birthers and Truthers are going to succeed…


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:03 am

Captain Rhodes had already been posted to the Middle East well before the letter was faxed from an office supply store in Columbus, Georgia. Now, I understand Columbus, Georgia, U.S.A., is quite a distance from the Middle East, but in your feeble manner of “thinking”, I'm quite sure you believe Captain Rhodes simply took a couple of days leave and flew back to Columbus to fax the letter. BTW, There is also an email communication sent directly from Captain Rhodes, in which she vehemently denies ever having written, signed, or sent the letter to Judge Land. It's truly sad to witness just how far you Obama followers will go in an attempt to make everything fit your way of thinking and it's amazing how you possess absolutely no discernment.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:03 am

An article entitled:

“Anti-Obama 'Eligibility' Movement Members Breaking Ties With Laguna Niguel Birther Orly Taitz”

Somehow, I find that to be a step backwards for the “birther” movement…


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:10 am

“CauldronBorn” – Simply call Judge Land's secretary (706-649-7812) and ASK. As usual, you lazy, witless Obama supporters demand that everyone else do the work, while you sit on your taxpayer supplied satin pillows and eat “bon bons”, which were purchased using USDA Food Stamps. Don't expect hard working people to cater to you.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:11 am

“Feeble manner of thinking?”

Wow. Nice to see you're incapable of discussion without resorting to high school insults. Or maybe you've watched too many old movies…

In any event, who's to say the letter wasn't faxed on her behalf by a family member? Or, I suppose, she has none of those?

Again, PROOF it is a forgery. PROOF that the document was doctored. You know, kinda the same way they Kenyan birth certificate was?

If you don't have the proof, just say so. If you do, then try to put it up here without acting like a brattish little child. I'm as interested as the next person in seeing if the letter is actually genuine.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:14 am

HELLLLLOOOOO!!!! There is NOT ONE SHRED OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE which proves Obama is a “natural born Citizen” of these United States – in fact, he has ADMITTED that his father's British/Kenyan citizenship was inherited at birth – From “FactCheck.org –
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.” The law says BOTH PARENTS must be U.S.Citizens at the time a child is born to them in order for the child to be a “natural born Citizen”, therefore, no matter WHERE Obama was born, he CANNOT be a “natural born Citizen”, that is an undeniable legal fact! A common “Citizen” CANNOT legally become President, ONLY a “natural born Citizen” is Constitutionally eligible. Under established law, birthplace is secondary to parentage! Before you even begin, neither Doctor Fukino, nor Governor Linda Lingle have the legal power to declare any person a “natural born Citizen”. Common myths – Myth #1 – Chester Arthur’s British birth was known and accepted by the American people.- It has been argued that Chester Arthur’s occupation of the White House set a legal precedent for Obama since both Chester and Barack were born of British fathers. But the public – at the time Chester was running for VP and later when he became POTUS – never knew that Chester Arthur was a British subject since he successfully lied to the public about his parental heritage. Myth #2 – Common law states that being born on the soil – Jus Soli – makes one a “natural born subject” and therefore every person born on US soil is a “natural born citizen” It has been established very clearly that there is no such common law in the United States. “Natural born citizens” are in no way, shape or form, the same as “natural born subjects”. Myth # 3 – Vattell’s definition of a natural born citizen was not considered by the framers.
Attorney Collins of “The American Law Review” discusses Vattel in great detail. And Collins agrees that to be a natural born citizen one must be born on the soil of parents who were themselves citizens. Collins quotes Vattell.
But more important is the fact that Collins makes it clear Vattel’s definition of “natural born citizen” was not actually Vattel’s definition.
This is very important.
The definition of “natural born citizen” was not created by Vattel in his treatise, “Law of Nations.” That treatise simply discussed the established body of law known as “the law of nations”. The definition of natural born citizen discussed in Vattel’s treatise was actually the definition established by the body of law known as “law of nations”.
Attorney Collins makes all of this quite clear in the article below. Now please review Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution:
The Congress shall have power…To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the Law of Nations;
The capital letters are not in reference to Vattel’s treatise, but they are in reference to the body of law Vattel wrote about – the actual “law of nations”. And that body of law – according to Attorney Collins as well as Vattell – held that a “natural born citizen” was somebody with connections to the nation for having been born on the soil as well as having been born of citizen parents. In Article 1, Section 8, we therefore have a direct recognition that the framers respected the law of nations.This is what the framers required for the Commander In Chief. Any child of immigrants from any nation could become President – as long as his parents became naturalized US citizens before that child was born on US soil. In their wisdom, the framers sought two generations of US citizenship. This discriminates against no race at all.
To be an American has nothing to do with race. It has to do with being a person cloaked in liberty – free from monarchy, free of repression, free forever.
The natural born citizen clause does not establish a superior form of citizenship. It does establish a national security safeguard against foreign invasion of the White House and takeover of the US Armed Forces.
It makes all the sense in the world that the person who holds the keys to the massive nuclear arsenal in our possession should be born on US soil to parents who were citizens. If Obama is eligible to be President, then the sons of every despicable despot are also eligible.
It’s not like North Korea, Saudi Arabia or Iran are going to let the sons of US citizens lead their countries anytime soon. Are we really going to allow their sons to lead our nation? The framers would never have allowed such a horrific situation to exist. With the natural born citizen clause they protected us against this very scenario. We must protect the protection.
A legal fraud is being perpetrated upon this nation through ridicule and straight up major media propaganda. Until you folks learn the applicable laws and understand the intent of the Founding Fathers of this Nation, you will be as dangerously lost as the blind leading the blind.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:14 am

By the way, these days it's every bit as easy to “forge” an e-mail as it is to forge an actual hardcopy document, so I don't think that really sticks as one in your favor, especially since I have yet to see any major news outlet pick that up…

I assume the validity of the letter is currently being investigated. Until then, may I suggest a little maturity on your part. Try to act your age, not that of my 3-year old son.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:19 am

If he has enough sense to resign and go home, Obama will be the next Richard Nixon, if not, he's going to prison. There is an ongoing federal criminal investigation into certain activities undertaken by officials of BOTH major parties before, during, and after last November. This scandal will dwarf Watergate.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:21 am

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): In this case, the majority of the Court held that a child born in U.S. territory to parents who were subjects of the emperor of China and who were not eligible for U.S. citizenship, but who had “a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China” was a U.S. Citizen.
The Court stated that:

The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [citizen and natural born citizen], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'[18]

Since there was no definition of “natural born citizen” found in the constitution, the majority adopted the common law of England that was a carry over from feudal times.

The court ruled:

It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:24 am

Read the United States Constitution, George Washington was “grandfathered”. U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1, “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:26 am

monkey99 – You should have need of “stitches” for being so ignorant of the law.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:27 am

I hope you're not referring to the “criminal activities” that certain other supporters are now stating they were convinced to purjure themselves about under oath…


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:29 am

I don't expect hard working people to cater to me. I expect you to be able to cite your source if you truly have one. I myself am a hardworking individual with more to do that call judge's secretary and waste her vaulable time. It's safe to conclude that if the letter is indeed a forgery you have some measure of physical proof about you. It's hardly to much to ask to see this proof, unless of course it doesn't exist…


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:34 am

The decision in “Wong Kim Ark” addresses the classification “CITIZEN”, NOT “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”. My post directly above yours clealy explains the situation, but you insist on making up the laws as you go, rather than quoting actual decisions. BY LAW, a common “CITIZEN” is NOT the same as a “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”, thus a common “CITIZEN” is NOT Constitutionally eligible to become President. Please learn the different Citizenship classifications and how they are obtained, THEN comment.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:35 am

You over here now Lawyer? Didn't I just beat your butt to a pulp on another thread earlier? Do I have to do it again, or don't you ever learn? Obama's not going anywhere, because you and your ilk got nothing, no understanding of the law, and definitely no proof of anything other than you're infatuated with a black man.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:37 am

OK lawyer, you're such an expert. What are the only 2 citizens recognized by the constitution? Natural born and naturalized. So, if you were born a citizen, you are what is referred to in the constitution as a 'natural born citizen”. Now wasn't that easy?


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Just because you have no idea what you're talking about, doesn't mean the rest of the country doesn't. You think we should believe you when that army of republican lawyers, knowing what you know about Obama's father, didn't even TRY to have him removed from the ballot? You know why? Because they know and understand the law better than an anonymous poster on the web. Makes sense, doesn't it. ho-hum…still no clue about the law and the constitution, maybe it's you who's in the wrong country, Where you at Lawyer, Russia?


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:44 am

NOTE TO ALL: It's fine to argue with the blowers, I can promise you it's funny. Just do NOT click on any of their sites. They are trying to pawn off old worn-out forgeries and fake unprovable theories. The only thing is they are being paid by the visit, so the best way to shut them up is to not give them that money they need so desperately to keep their delusions going. That is why they keep bringing up the same tired arguments and hope they can get the next reader to click on their so-called “proof”. If they had any real proof, it wouldn't be on this board, it would be front and center on Fox News. I guess WND has a warehouse full of Anti-Obama junk to get rid of and hired these folks to get more traffic. If you like that sort of thing, I recommend going to WND and buying direct…it is still a free country, despite what these blowers say.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:46 am

Sorry, Lawyer, as I proved on the other thread…you and your blower friends don't know or understand or even care about the law. That's the last thing you want.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:48 am

OK, so Obama was born in america, to an american citizen, he's been in the US for more than 14 years and is definitely over 35. So, he's the legal president. Thanks for clearing that up for us Lawyer, about time you recognized it.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:50 am

He was born in the US, as you say. Therefore the SCOTUS says he is a natural born citizen. About time you came around. BTW, US only recognizes whether or not you're a citizen, we don't care what other countries think. That's why real lawyers never went after it, because, unlike you, they know and understand laws and the constitution. Making things up will not change that.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:52 am

Sorry, don't need to call. The people claiming forgeries checked on the wrong date and it was verified as being sent from where they said at the time stated. Another loudmouth theory shot down, again. Getting too easy there lawyer.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:55 am

BRRRRRP! Wrong again Lawyer, the time/date stamp proves she had not shipped out yet, just getting ready to go. But, who am I to get in the way of delusional fiction presented by Lawyer, he doesn't know anything and proves it every time he posts.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:57 am

A person can ONLY become a “natural born Citizen” at BIRTH, the foremost legal requirement is BOTH PARENTS must be U.S. Citizens at the time a child is born to them in order for the child to become a “natural born Citizen”. Obama's father was here on a student visa, he was NEVER a U.S. Citizen, therefore Obama, according to his own website, “Fight the Smears”, was governed by his father's British/Kenyan citizenship. – The following quote is from “Fight the Smears” AND “FactCheck.org” –
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.” – …….Do you comprehend that a person's citizenship CANNOT be governed by British/Kenyan law at birth, then MIRACULOUSLY convert to a “natural born Citizen” of the U.S.A. at age twenty one?! OBAMA, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, WAS NOT LEGALLY A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” of the U.S.A. AT BIRTH, nor can his status EVER change under ANY circumstances. Do you “get it” YET?! Do you understand what the legal term “confession” means? can you not read Obama's CONFESSION posted on his own website?! WOW! How little you Obama supporting folks comprehend.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:01 am

Jim – First, let me point out I'm NOT being paid, my net worth EXCEEDS $50,000,000. Second, You are posting nothing but childish and silly ad hominem attacks, you have yet to post even ONE legal fact.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:06 am

Cool, you must be that Nigerian person I always hear about on the web. I don't have to post a single fact, because you don't know or understand the law…and you prove it every time you post! I've read all you have to offer and I can honestly say lawyer is not what you are…at least not in the USA. Making up things, as you continually do, says to me you don't care about the law or the constitution so the next best thing is to tell the truth as to what you are. You are a pathetic liar sitting in your basement typing with one hand while whacking off with the other to a picture of Obama, since black men's privates interest you so much.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:08 am

Now we have the Obama lovers calling their long awaited messiah a liar! LOL, LOL, LOL! The Obama supporters don't even bother to read the outright CONFESSION Obama has posted at “Fight the Smears”, yet they call everyone who disagrees with them childish names. Hilarious!


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:09 am

Again, keep saying it doesn't make it true. In fact, we've had another president who's father was an Irish citizen at the time of the president's birth. So, we've had no trouble with this until it was a BLACK man. That should say something for your intelligence. BTW, you've never shown any proof in the constitution or law that states what you're saying…so it's all BS…same as always.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:12 am

OK, so now you agree that Obama was born in Hawaii, Lawyer?


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:24 am

Come on lawyer, you've said it below. Now say it again…Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961 (great birthday BTW, now I get to celebrate mine with the president). That way, I don't have to got through the “long form” , “short form” BS with you again.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:25 am

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE he was BORN, because Obama's birthplace is SECONDARY to his parentage. You STILL do not and cannot comprehend the applicable law. Can you read Obama's OWN CONFESSION of being governed at birth by his father's nationality? Are you able to comprehend that, by law, Obama's British/Kenyan status can no more be legally changed at age twenty one than a bell can be “unrung”? Obama ADMITS he was not a “natural born Citizen” at birth, therefore, NO MATTER WHERE HE WAS BORN, Obama CANNOT LEGALLY REMAIN IN OFFICE. Don't even TRY the old “HE'S a “CITIZEN”, OR HE'S A “NATIVE BORN CITIZEN” TRICKS, ONLY “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” IS CONSTITUTIONALLY ACCEPTABLE TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF POTUS. Obama is NOT legally qualified.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:26 am

Ok, so you agree he was born in Hawaii. Now, was his mother an american citizen?


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Jim – You don't even begin to understand the law.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:40 am

BY LAW, ALL (100%) OF OBAMA'S VITAL RECORDS ON FILE IN HAWAI'I MUST NOW BE PRODUCED FOR PUBLIC VIEWING : “A report published today by the Post and Email’s John Charlton, chronicled that a citizen, having read and understood Part 1 of the Terrik investigation, requested that Hawaii Department of Health (DoH) Communications Director, Janice Okubo, forward to him “index data” pertaining to vital records of Barack Obama, citing Haw. Rev. Stat. 338-18(d). Okubo’s illegal and evasive response shows a continuing offensive pattern of misdirection:

Subject: RE: Dear Dr. Janice Okubo
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:09:29 -1000
X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: Dear Dr. Janice Okubo
Thread-Index: Aco9LwEBdvqZvY6wQAmINB4Ua3X91gAGRdkg
From: “Okubo, Janice S.” <janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov>
To: XXXX
X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.5.409

Aloha Mr. XXXX,
State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record. Direct and tangible interest is determined by HRS §338-18(b) which can be found at: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_…

This concludes our responses to your questions, no further response will be provided.

Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Hawaii State Department of Health
1250 Punchbowl Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Phone: (808) 586-4442
Fax: (808) 586-4444
email: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov
Okubo cites 338-18(b) while completely ignoring 338-18(d), which states:

(d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.

Index data is information. And as I pointed out in yesterday’s report, various OIP Opinion Letters state that this information must be made available to the public, no exceptions apply.

Yet, Okubo’s response tells the citizen that “State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record…”

That’s a direct lie.

Okubo’s continuing pattern of misdirecting citizens from appropriate statute sections is reprehensible.

It states in the UIPA Manual at page 10:

The UIPA requires agencies to disclose all “government records.” This term is defined broadly to include any information maintained by an agency that is recorded in any physical form.

So, when Okubo is asked for “index data” pertaining to vital records under 338-18(d), and she responds that state law prohibits the release of “any information” pertaining to vital records, please understand that she is lying in direct opposition to the UIPA as well as Haw. Rev. Stat. 338-18(d). Do not despair. Okubo is employed by the DoH, but the Office of Information Practices (OIP) is a separate office which exists to police and advise the actions of other state of Hawaii agencies in their compliance with the UIPA. Haw. Rev. Stat. 338-18(d) is a law which demands information be released.

Okubo has not only failed to release the index data, she’s told various citizens that state law prohibits the release of “any information” regarding vital records to the general public.

The OIP must address this continuing wrongful statement. They are the authority charged with official review of Okubo’s activities with regard to the UIPA. Although the OIP has been much more forthright than the DoH, the OIP is now called upon to exercise its statutory purpose under the UIPA manual, which states at page 7:

The Hawaii State Legislature enacted the Uniform Information Practices Act (Modified) (the “UIPA”) based upon this premise that a democracy vests the people with the ultimate decision making power and government exists only to aid the people in the exercise of that power.

State of Hawaii, take notice – the people will be exercising their power. The people will be made to understand their power under the UIPA. The people will receive all information due to them under the UIPA. And the people will prevail.” From the State of Hawai'i – http://www.state.hi.us/oip/uipa.html#92F1


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:42 am

Ok, so you won't answer simple questions, because all you got is BS. Show me in the law where it says what you claim. You want to quote it, own up to it and let us read the statute, law, or constitutional phrase that says “Natural Born Citizen” MUST be born of 2 US citizens. You, obviously, won't because a lot of brave young men and women who fought for our freedoms would not appreciate hearing that the freedoms they fought for eliminate their children from running for president because of some made up BS from some nameless delusional individual on the web. Besides, with the short form-long form BS you tried to pawn off on the other story, I showed I had a much better grasp than you could ever hope for.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:45 am

Now you're complaining because someone follows the law? Wonder what the other states that have the same laws on their books will think of you trying that? Wait a minute, what am I talking about? This won't go anywhere, same as all the others. No sweat…have fun trying.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 6:49 am

This question is not about race, Jimmy Carter, it is about upholding the law, you senile old fool.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:51 am

When Janice Okubo, Doctor Fukino, and Governor Linda Lingle made statements concerning Obama's vital records, they created an automatic release of records requirement under Hawai'i “Uniform Information Practices Act”, thus the records Obama has attempted to conceal are now legally open to the public. Okubo, Fukino, and Lingle are obviously not very bright, in attempting a “cya” move on behalf of Obama, they pulled the sheets right off his naked background. We already know Obama's vital records have been “amended”, now we'll discover precisely how AND why. Obama's Presidency is a legal problem with its throttle stuck wide open and no brakes, it's only a matter of time until the inevitable occurs…


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:55 am

Sounds like an Orly argument to me. Is that you Orly? I'm going to go with Hawaii on this, you're reaching won't pass the smell test with the courts. Good luck trying, though…always appreciate having another blower suit thrown out. The Judge's decisions are actually quoting the law, unlike Lawyer's arguments and made-up laws.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:58 am

Again, your reading comprehension is “0″. When Fukino publicly ran her mouth about Obama's vital records, she invoked provisions of Hawai'i's “U.I.P.A.” law. In other words, once a state official makes a public pronouncement about a vital record, the records must, by law, become 100% public – under “U.I.P.A.” there can be NO exceptions for ANY reason.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:03 am

Again, you're reading more into it than the law allows. But, hey, have fun. Knock yourself out. Like I said above, it's always entertaining to watch the courts shoot blowers down. It's always nice to read about the law from Judges who know and understand it, rather than from blowers who only say what fits their needs and ignore the rest.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:05 am

Too bad for you, “Orly” has nothing to do with this. Over one hundred persons have already demanded copies of the records, each person is hiring his/her own attorney, and the cases are being filed and heard independently. GAME, SET, MATCH. There is a 2007 legal precedent demanding a release of the records that cannot be overcome. Obama cannot stop this speeding legal locomotive.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:07 am

Go to the link I posted, read the ENTIRE law, then get back to me, genius! LOL!


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:08 am

Again, knock yourself out. Hope they make it to at least a hearing on the merits, where they'll be shot down, again. But, I WANT you to get your hopes up. I WANT you to think you've got a chance. I WANT you to give all you got to this. Because, in the end, I KNOW that I'll have the last laugh…at your expense, of course.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:08 am

Oops! Did I violate the “Americans With Disabilities Act” by asking you to actually READ the LAW?!


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:09 am

The last laugh will belong to those who know and understand the law – and that will most assuredly not include you.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:11 am

Sorry, I refuse to go to any more blower links. First, they only show forgeries and unprovable theories. Second, some try to install viruses on my computer. No thanks. But, like I said, knock yourself out. I'm going to enjoy another failure to add to all the rest you've had.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:12 am

Obama's long ago diagnosed “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” will not allow him to face the truth, no matter what.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:13 am

I am reading ONLY what the law states, yet you continue to lie and attempt to misdirect. You are only capable of making ad hominem attacks.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:13 am

That's ok, an insult from a blower is like a complement from the majority. And, after the discussion on birth certificates we had earlier today, I have a complete understanding of your knowledge of the law…and it doesn't impress anyone. So, enjoy getting shot down again, I know I will.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:14 am

Jim – You're so delusional that you are pitiful.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:15 am

So you REALLY believe the “short form” is all that exists AND all the state can release? You are LITERALLY insane.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:16 am

Actually, you've proven time and time again it's not Obama, but you who has NPD. And, I have proof that you can't face the truth no matter what.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:19 am

Well, what I believe is totally inconsequential to the law. Ask Missouri or Hawaii or any number of states who use the short form. You might be surprised what the laws are. Oh wait, that's right, you only care about the laws that agree with you position, the rest are to be ignored. My mistake…back to your blower delusions.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Let's see you quote ONE sentence of the law that says “U.I.P.A.” cannot be enforced in EVERY case. You have yet to do anything but act like a spoiled child that is not getting his way, screaming MAAAAAMAAAAA, calling people silly names, and rambling on without stating even ONE legal fact.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:26 am

The “long form” is available on demand, whoever says otherwise is lying. The “long form” provides vital data not available on the “short form”. Until about a month ago, the “Hawai'i Lands Program” would ONLY accept the “long form” to participate in the program, but you've INTENTIONALLY chosen to omit that important piece of information.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:29 am

BTW, One last thing there Lawyer, you have yet to show me and the rest of the readers where in the law, constitution, or precedence where it states that “Natural Born Citizen” has to be born to 2 american citizens. If you can't, which everyone knows you can't, then all your other arguments are suspect and not to be believed. Making up laws makes all your arguments null and void. Have a nice evening, I'm moving on to more enjoyable past times.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:31 am

For the edification of the public who missed seeing it earlier, here are the legal facts that signal the end of Obama's ongoing sham. BY LAW, ALL (100%) OF OBAMA'S VITAL RECORDS ON FILE IN HAWAI'I MUST NOW BE PRODUCED FOR PUBLIC VIEWING : “A report published today by the Post and Email’s John Charlton, chronicled that a citizen, having read and understood Part 1 of the Terrik investigation, requested that Hawaii Department of Health (DoH) Communications Director, Janice Okubo, forward to him “index data” pertaining to vital records of Barack Obama, citing Haw. Rev. Stat. 338-18(d). Okubo’s illegal and evasive response shows a continuing offensive pattern of misdirection:

Subject: RE: Dear Dr. Janice Okubo
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:09:29 -1000
X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: Dear Dr. Janice Okubo
Thread-Index: Aco9LwEBdvqZvY6wQAmINB4Ua3X91gAGRdkg
From: “Okubo, Janice S.” <janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov>
To: XXXX
X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.5.409

Aloha Mr. XXXX,
State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record. Direct and tangible interest is determined by HRS §338-18(b) which can be found at: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_

This concludes our responses to your questions, no further response will be provided.

Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Hawaii State Department of Health
1250 Punchbowl Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Phone: (808) 586-4442
Fax: (808) 586-4444
email: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov
Okubo cites 338-18(b) while completely ignoring 338-18(d), which states:

(d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.

Index data is information. And as I pointed out in yesterday’s report, various OIP Opinion Letters state that this information must be made available to the public, no exceptions apply.

Yet, Okubo’s response tells the citizen that “State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record…”

That’s a direct lie.

Okubo’s continuing pattern of misdirecting citizens from appropriate statute sections is reprehensible.

It states in the UIPA Manual at page 10:

The UIPA requires agencies to disclose all “government records.” This term is defined broadly to include any information maintained by an agency that is recorded in any physical form.

So, when Okubo is asked for “index data” pertaining to vital records under 338-18(d), and she responds that state law prohibits the release of “any information” pertaining to vital records, please understand that she is lying in direct opposition to the UIPA as well as Haw. Rev. Stat. 338-18(d). Do not despair. Okubo is employed by the DoH, but the Office of Information Practices (OIP) is a separate office which exists to police and advise the actions of other state of Hawaii agencies in their compliance with the UIPA. Haw. Rev. Stat. 338-18(d) is a law which demands information be released.

Okubo has not only failed to release the index data, she’s told various citizens that state law prohibits the release of “any information” regarding vital records to the general public.

The OIP must address this continuing wrongful statement. They are the authority charged with official review of Okubo’s activities with regard to the UIPA. Although the OIP has been much more forthright than the DoH, the OIP is now called upon to exercise its statutory purpose under the UIPA manual, which states at page 7:

The Hawaii State Legislature enacted the Uniform Information Practices Act (Modified) (the “UIPA”) based upon this premise that a democracy vests the people with the ultimate decision making power and government exists only to aid the people in the exercise of that power.

State of Hawaii, take notice – the people will be exercising their power. The people will be made to understand their power under the UIPA. The people will receive all information due to them under the UIPA. And the people will prevail.” From the State of Hawai'i – http://www.state.hi.us/oip/uipa.html#92F1 – Follow the link, read the law, THEN comment.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:39 am

Here you are, “Jim”, read it and weep – “110TH CONGRESS
2D SESSION
S. RES. __
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. _______________
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
Mrs. MCCASKILL (D) (for herself and Mr. LEAHY (D), ### Mr. OBAMA ### (D), Mr. COBURN (R), Mrs. CLINTON (D), and Mr. WEBB (D)”… (Summary of findings of Senate Judiciary Committee by Senator Leahy, (D) Vermont – http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html) – Obama, by his OWN definition, is NOT Constitutionally qualified. Quotes from Judiciary Committee hearing : “Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”
“It is silly for anyone to argue that Senator McCain is not eligible to become president,” said McCaskill. “I would hope that this is something we can all agree on, for goodness sakes.”
Michael Chertoff said “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen”. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy”. End quotes. “…American parentS”, proving the Committee (Senator Obama was a voting member) unanimously found that BOTH PARENTS MUST BE American Citizens to make their child a “natural born Citizen”. Obama Senior was NOT a Citizen. What is required of ONE candidate, MUST, BY LAW, be required of ALL candidates. Obama's first act, “Executive Order #13489″ on 21 January, 2009, sealed ALL Obama's background records, public AND private, thus he instantly broke his campaign promise of “transparency”. Is there anything else you want to know?


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:42 am

Sorry, next time I'll put K-Y on my foot so it won't hurt your butt so much when I pull it out.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:48 am

The law shall prevail, Obama will be forced from office by the courts or Congress.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:48 am

Oh, I see now you really don't have an understanding of the law. If you did, you would understand the difference between this and a law. But, like I said, blowers only believe what they want and ignore all that doesn't agree with their delusions. YAWN, try again, or I guess I can pull up the Hawaii anniversary statement to prove he is a citizen.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Well, you got half the statement correct…the law will prevail. The rest is, of course, your delusions. But, enjoy them while you can, the courts will shoot you down, as usual.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:51 am

Jim – YOU LOSE, MOVE ON.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:59 am

This particular unanimous ruling by the Senate JUDICIARY Committee, of which Senator Obama was a voting member, constitutes standing legal precedent. I'm SHOCKED. You're calling Obama a LIAR AGAIN?! I see. Obama can proclaim that everyone else must meet a certain standard, but he is exempt. How wonderfully convenient for him that he believes the law does not apply equally to all !


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:59 am

Why have I lost? You have yet to show where in the law, constitution, or SCOTUS precedence where you have to be born to 2 citizens to be a Natural Born Citizen. Do I have to also explain to you the difference between a law and a congressional statement? That's a shame, you're trying so hard and every time you think you got it, you kick yourself…don't lose that k-y, you might need it for yourself.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:04 am

Excuse me, but the “anniversary statement” vanished from the web as soon as it was questioned. Anyway, that statement does NOT carry ANY weight in a court of law, it is considered nothing more than gossip. Surely even you understand the law has unequivocally found that no man is competent to testify as to the date, time, and place of his own birth. No one's memory is that good, therefore any statement made by a person as to his own date, time, and place of birth constitutes “hearsay”.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:08 am

Jim – Just admit you're dead wrong. You know it, I know it, and everyone reading this discussion can see what a lying, delusional fool you are. Not one law have you quoted, NOT ONE. You just spread gossip like a neurotic woman going through menopause.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:09 am

And then the whole Senate Judiciary committee…even the whole congress accepted Obama as the legal president. So tell me, why is that? They knew everything you are spouting out about now. Is it maybe because this was only for McCain and you're reading more into it than it's worth? Could be, since they allowed Obama to be elected and sworn in.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:10 am

Jim – Can I paint you “John Deere Green” and use you as a manure spreader on my horse farm?


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:16 am

Sorry, legal precedence is established by the courts, not congress. You DO understand the separation of powers in the constitution don't you. There is NO legal standing for that statement, otherwise ALL committees could pass laws at their whim and not have to have them go through votes in the house and senate and be signed by the president. Did you happen to get your law degree the same place as Orly?


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:22 am

You can do what you please, it's your imagination. I've just been enjoying laughing at your sad attempts at understanding the law and constitution…I mean really, you have committees passing laws below without even having them voted on by the house or senate or even signed by the president. I'm enjoying this so much, I hope you keep it up for the next 3+ years…maybe you can then do what is really necessary to remove Obama, vote him out. Like the laws of the land provide, not your delusions.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:25 am

Why bother quoting laws to you…you don't care about them. You'll ignore what doesn't fit your needs and make up what you need. You've done it all along, why should I expect you to stop now. I could walk you step by step through each and every one, but it won't matter to you. So, instead, I just keep you typing. I let you hang yourself, it's easier and just so much more entertaining.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:52 am

And, of course, the Hawaii BC provides the legal proof. Amazing how well this works, isn't it Lawyer? Oh wait, that's right. Now you either say he wasn't born in Hawaii, or both parents have to be citizens, or maybe even Obama is an alien from the planet Remulak…guess that makes him a conehead.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 4:00 am

“I have seen … the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,” Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a statement released Monday. “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Sounds like he just verified Obama was born in Hawaii, not give out any vital information. Reaching again, I see.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 4:15 am

Again, you show how little you truly know. For the heck of it, I searched and found the official statement rather easily.

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:2:./…

And, since you mention the courts, it was cited by Judge Land in his opinion throwing out Capt Rhodes' case. Interesting that the facts don't coincide with your delusions. From the opinion:

“Furthermore, Congress is apparently satisfied that the President is qualified to serve. Congress has not instituted impeachment proceedings, and in fact, the House of Representatives in a broad bipartisan manner has rejected the suggestion that the President is not eligible for office. See H.R. Res 593, 111th Cong. (2009)”

He further notes that the vote was 378-0.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 4:24 am

Jim – Contrary to your baseless comments, in this case, the law of the land is well established and Obama is clearly a serious habitual violator. I can do as I please, my fortune is earned, my children are well educated, and they individually have trust funds worth approximately $10,000,000 each, which will fall under their total care and control as each attains the age of thirty years or becomes totally disabled. Continue furiously fanning the flames of your inner rage, it has already consumed your very soul and rotted your body even to the marrow of your bones.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 4:24 am

You state facts without proof. Let me quote a much wiser person than you or I, Judge Land.

“Unlike in 'Alice in Wonderland', simply saying something is so doesn't make it so.”

So, now a Hawaii congressman is trying to get the law changed so that it can be released, you're saying he doesn't have to. Well, I believe a congressman knows a lot more about the law than an anonymous message board poster who makes ridiculous claims…but, maybe that's just me.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 4:31 am

YAWN…Obama is clearly president. Legally elected, accepted by the american people, the Electoral College, the congress of the United States, and the Supreme Court. You, on the other hand, have to self-inflate your ego to give yourself some sort of value to your life. Why? It doesn't make a bit of difference to me, as far as I'm concerned your just pulling an “Alice in Wonderland”. The only reason is because, like all the rest of the junk you've written, it isn't true. But that's OK, doesn't matter to me whether your rich or poor…your still a blower.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:13 am

Time will prove the rulings and findings I have posted are true and correct. As the very wise, patient, and cunning Attorney Leo Donofrio so correctly stated on Friday : “State of Hawaii, take notice – the people will be exercising their power. The people will be made to understand their power under the UIPA. The people will receive all information due to them under the UIPA. And the people will prevail.

Model UIPA requests, model OIP appeals and model judicial appeals are being drafted.

The state of Hawaii must know that attempts at evasion will not be successful. You have laws. The laws were written to command government.

Government will be commanded.

The public – previously a sleeping giant – is now awake. The giant is big and powerful. The government will kneel before the giant as the government is not separate to the body of the giant – the government is simply an intellectual limb extending from the body of the giant.

That limb is not a separate entity.

The giant may have suffered a bit of mental illness in thinking that the government limb was an overlord. But the giant is smiling in the mirror now as it recognizes – perhaps for the first time – that the limb is part of the giant’s anatomy.

The giant will command the DoH to issue all information due to the giant under the appropriate laws. The UIPA is such a law. As an attorney, I am very impressed with the UIPA. It’s easy to read, understand, implement and draft appeals under. Whoever drafted it was very skilled. They did the public giant justice. The UIPA was written to protect the eyes of the giant.

DoH Communications Director Okubo has placed her thumb directly in the eye of the giant. She never got the memo – “Giant is awake”.

Her thumb will be removed from the giant’s eye.”

Written by Leo C. Donofrio, Citizen Attorney, September 25, 2009.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:27 am

AXJ published its own email also sent:

For the edification of the public who missed seeing it earlier, here are the legal facts that signal the end of Obama's ongoing sham. BY LAW, ALL (100%) OF OBAMA'S VITAL RECORDS ON FILE IN HAWAI'I MUST NOW BE PRODUCED FOR PUBLIC VIEWING : “A report published today by the Post and Email’s John Charlton, chronicled that a citizen, having read and understood Part 1 of the Terrik investigation, requested that Hawaii Department of Health (DoH) Communications Director, Janice Okubo, forward to him “index data” pertaining to vital records of Barack Obama, citing Haw. Rev. Stat. 338-18(d). Okubo’s illegal and evasive response shows a continuing offensive pattern of misdirection:

Subject: RE: Dear Dr. Janice Okubo
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:09:29 -1000
X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: Dear Dr. Janice Okubo
Thread-Index: Aco9LwEBdvqZvY6wQAmINB4Ua3X91gAGRdkg
From: “Okubo, Janice S.” <janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov>
To: XXXX
X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.5.409

Aloha Mr. XXXX,
State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record. Direct and tangible interest is determined by HRS §338-18(b) which can be found at: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_

This concludes our responses to your questions, no further response will be provided.

Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Hawaii State Department of Health
1250 Punchbowl Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Phone: (808) 586-4442
Fax: (808) 586-4444
email: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov
Okubo cites 338-18(b) while completely ignoring 338-18(d), which states:

(d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.

Index data is information. And as I pointed out in yesterday’s report, various OIP Opinion Letters state that this information must be made available to the public, no exceptions apply.

Yet, Okubo’s response tells the citizen that “State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record…”

That’s a direct lie.

Okubo’s continuing pattern of misdirecting citizens from appropriate statute sections is reprehensible.

It states in the UIPA Manual at page 10:

The UIPA requires agencies to disclose all “government records.” This term is defined broadly to include any information maintained by an agency that is recorded in any physical form.

So, when Okubo is asked for “index data” pertaining to vital records under 338-18(d), and she responds that state law prohibits the release of “any information” pertaining to vital records, please understand that she is lying in direct opposition to the UIPA as well as Haw. Rev. Stat. 338-18(d). Do not despair. Okubo is employed by the DoH, but the Office of Information Practices (OIP) is a separate office which exists to police and advise the actions of other state of Hawaii agencies in their compliance with the UIPA. Haw. Rev. Stat. 338-18(d) is a law which demands information be released.

Okubo has not only failed to release the index data, she’s told various citizens that state law prohibits the release of “any information” regarding vital records to the general public.

The OIP must address this continuing wrongful statement. They are the authority charged with official review of Okubo’s activities with regard to the UIPA. Although the OIP has been much more forthright than the DoH, the OIP is now called upon to exercise its statutory purpose under the UIPA manual, which states at page 7:

The Hawaii State Legislature enacted the Uniform Information Practices Act (Modified) (the “UIPA”) based upon this premise that a democracy vests the people with the ultimate decision making power and government exists only to aid the people in the exercise of that power.

State of Hawaii, take notice – the people will be exercising their power. The people will be made to understand their power under the UIPA. The people will receive all information due to them under the UIPA. And the people will prevail.” From the State of Hawai'i – http://www.state.hi.us/oip/uipa.html#92F1 – Follow the link, read the law, THEN comment.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:38 am

Hi Lawyer, are you a member of AXJ?


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:38 am

A day of reckoning is coming in America. Obama has ignored his sworn oath and flaunted the supreme law of the land and the Citizenry now collectively demands that justice be done. Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Obama premeditatedly, purposely, and knowingly violated this solemn oath of office even as he swore to uphold it. How can the Citizens of America possibly trust and endure such a willfully contemptuous villain and instantaneous traitor? May God richly bless, awaken, and save America. So mote it be, Amen.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 5:58 am

Jim there you are correct and the Lawyer is wrong. I have 30 years of international practice experience not only in the USA but throughout Europe. I have litigated in all types of forums and still find ours to be the best, not because we have the best judges, Land is an example of a Judge that is not because he simply undermined the basic principal of Judicial Review and Trial by Jury of the facts and by himslef decided the facts and applied his law to those facts…but that is not justice. That stems from all dictatorial systems left by dictators throughout modern Europe starting with Napolean…if only the Romans and their Law had prevailed but as all good things human evolution has returned many minds to primitive states as this pissing contest between you and the Lawyer…but on this point you are correct…ius solis grants any American born on US soil the status of natural born citizen and McCain is questionable and I would say no because he was 1.) not born on US soil and 2.)not born on a US base in Panama but in a private hospital and therefore all that fruitless discussion in the Senate of which I was a part…I speak five languages fluently and know just a little about what I am stating and just remember although I was born in the USA and am a natural born citizen, I also hold 4 other European nationalities and if 50 million American Citizens what to vote me in as their President not even the Supreme Court nor Congress can do anything about it…but getting back to this fascinating argument, apparently Judge Carter has already decided he will apply true Justice and let the People of the USA decide the facts in this case in a trail by jury where he will uphold judicial review and grant standing and discovery to The People of the United States. The Attorneys representing Obama and all the rest can say what they want on October 5, and if Orly calms down a lets him speak he will quash every argument presented by the Attorney General why this case should not go to trial on the merits, and he will let The People decide…Obama is still innocent until a Grand Jury indicts him and a Jury finds him guilty…even if he shows up at Court and says he lost his birth certificate or was always told since birth that he was born in Hawaii it will be up to Orly representing the Defendants to prove to the Jury that Obama was actually not born in Hawaii in 1962 but somewhere else. A very difficult task considering the documentation is slowly being destroyed or removed. AXJ may have the only documents from the 1964 divorce that could change the Jury's mind but AXJ has already said it has sealed the documents awaiting Judge Carter grant and order discovery on October 5…funny day…when the Templars had to begin going underground back in the 1300s…


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 6:01 am

Jim there you are correct and the Lawyer is wrong. I have 30 years of international practice experience not only in the USA but throughout Europe. I have litigated in all types of forums and still find ours to be the best, not because we have the best judges, Land is an example of a Judge that is not because he simply undermined the basic principal of Judicial Review and Trial by Jury of the facts and by himslef decided the facts and applied his law to those facts…but that is not justice. That stems from all dictatorial systems left by dictators throughout modern Europe starting with Napolean…if only the Romans and their Law had prevailed but as all good things human evolution has returned many minds to primitive states as this pissing contest between you and the Lawyer…but on this point you are correct…ius solis grants any American born on US soil the status of natural born citizen and McCain is questionable and I would say no because he was 1.) not born on US soil and 2.)not born on a US base in Panama but in a private hospital and therefore all that fruitless discussion in the Senate of which I was a part…I speak five languages fluently and know just a little about what I am stating and just remember although I was born in the USA and am a natural born citizen, I also hold 4 other European nationalities and if 50 million American Citizens what to vote me in as their President not even the Supreme Court nor Congress can do anything about it…but getting back to this fascinating argument, apparently Judge Carter has already decided he will apply true Justice and let the People of the USA decide the facts in this case in a trail by jury where he will uphold judicial review and grant standing and discovery to The People of the United States. The Attorneys representing Obama and all the rest can say what they want on October 5, and if Orly calms down a lets him speak he will quash every argument presented by the Attorney General why this case should not go to trial on the merits, and he will let The People decide…Obama is still innocent until a Grand Jury indicts him and a Jury finds him guilty…even if he shows up at Court and says he lost his birth certificate or was always told since birth that he was born in Hawaii it will be up to Orly representing the Defendants to prove to the Jury that Obama was actually not born in Hawaii in 1962 but somewhere else. A very difficult task considering the documentation is slowly being destroyed or removed. AXJ may have the only documents from the 1964 divorce that could change the Jury's mind but AXJ has already said it has sealed the documents awaiting Judge Carter grant and order discovery on October 5…funny day…when the Templars had to begin going underground back in the 1300s…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 11:19 am

In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person who

is born in the United States

of parents who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of a foreign power

whose parents have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States

becomes, at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

There. Now was that so hard?


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 6:19 am

Remember Lawyer Obama himself may not know he was adopted and his supposed mother Stanley Ann Dunham may not have told him and his supposed American grandmother and uncle disappeared just a few days before the election…this is all an international conspiracy and plan spearheaded by rich Muslims around the world and you know it…while I lived in Europe Pope Juan Pablo II gave me personal access to the Vatican Library and there I read the works of the Templars and the true works of the Catholic Mafia as he called it…he laughs as he told me to be careful with the “Mafia” as he called them…I have also lived in the Arab world and have many Arab friends although Gaddafi is not one of them…Obama is here to carry out his objective and he is doing a great job of it and will even have Iran eating out of his hand…do we want a trial of course we do…will a Jew Orly defeat a Muslim in Court…doubt it…this great country was founded by great men like Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, etc. but my favorite is Benjamin Franklin which married a French woman and retired in France…but we must evolve…is Obama a natural born US citizen, probably not but then again McCain isn't either…will the American People forgive Obama, most likely if Carter does let it go to trial…will Orly be able to interrogate him before a Jury? Perhaps. Will Obama have to say anything? No, that is what the 5th amendment is for. Will Orly be able to prove to the Jury that he was not born in Hawaii? Not unless AXJ releases the documents it was able to obtain from the 1964 divorce filings…will AXJ release them? Probably not because America is a small part of this planet which we call earth and if the majority of the American People want Mr. Obama to be their President of the Federal Government, so be it…can Judge Carter order AXJ to turn over the documents? He can try…but then again, they are in a safe in Andorra and the USA has no jurisdiction there and a rogatory letter is useless…keep posted to AXJ…hope you join us…


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 6:20 am

“AJX ROCKS” – Ramble on, fool. If you are elected president and you do not legally qualify as a “natural born Citizen”, you have lied on your job application and you can be fired and prosecuted for fraud – even if you are POTUS. If you were, indeed, an Attorney at Law, you would dare not tell such lies. The will of the people is NEVER superior to the power of the law. Your lack of writing skills prove you are a pretender, just as several days ago, you foolishly pretended to be a forty two year career intelligence veteran, yet just as this morning, you could barely compose a coherent sentence. Fraudsters like you are easily spotted. Don't believe the voices in your head, everyone instantly recognizes you are a mentally-ill freak.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 6:37 am

Not only is Obama VERY aware of his birth status, that is the very reason he is attempting to hide his ENTIRE BACKGROUND.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 6:44 am

Nowhere in the comment did Doctor Fukino confirm the alleged record posted at Fight the Smears” match what she has on file. Her comments were vague and unspecific. Also, Doctor Fukino possesses “0″ legal authority to determine whether or not Obama is a “natural born Citizen”, which the Washington office of the U.S. Attorney General let her know in no uncertain terms.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 6:47 am

Excuse, me, but Judge Land violated “RULE 11″ of FEDERAL PRACTICE in rendering his decision, which was based on emotion, not LAW. Did Judge Land see ANY physical documentation supplied by Obama? NO! NOT ONE JOT OR TITTLE. JUDGE LAND IS A BASTARD HYPOCRITE.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:00 am

No, the Hawai'i “document” proves NOTHING – no Congressman has seen a PHYSICAL COPY – NOT ONE. Go before a court and present a screen shot as evidence and see how long it takes you to pry the judge's foot out of your butt. It matters not that Congress is satisfied, they were intentionally lied to and presented with a screen shot of a thrice professionally proven FORGERY. That equals criminal fraud AND forgery, which carries NO statute of limitations and a very lengthy prison term. Judge Land will face Congressional and judicial sanctions, the “RULE 11″ complaints are already being prepared and filed by MULTIPLE attorneys who practice within his jurisdiction.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:01 am

REPEAT. REPEAT. REPEAT. Here you are, “Jim”, read it and weep – “110TH CONGRESS
2D SESSION
S. RES. __
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. _______________
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
Mrs. MCCASKILL (D) (for herself and Mr. LEAHY (D), ### Mr. OBAMA ### (D), Mr. COBURN (R), Mrs. CLINTON (D), and Mr. WEBB (D)”… (Summary of findings of Senate Judiciary Committee by Senator Leahy, (D) Vermont – http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html) – Obama, by his OWN definition, is NOT Constitutionally qualified. Quotes from Judiciary Committee hearing : “Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”
“It is silly for anyone to argue that Senator McCain is not eligible to become president,” said McCaskill. “I would hope that this is something we can all agree on, for goodness sakes.”
Michael Chertoff said “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen”. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy”. End quotes. “…American parentS”, proving the Committee (Senator Obama was a voting member) unanimously found that BOTH PARENTS MUST BE American Citizens to make their child a “natural born Citizen”. Obama Senior was NOT a Citizen. What is required of ONE candidate, MUST, BY LAW, be required of ALL candidates. Obama's first act, “Executive Order #13489″ on 21 January, 2009, sealed ALL Obama's background records, public AND private, thus he instantly broke his campaign promise of “transparency”. Is there anything else you want to know?


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:02 am

Here you are, “Jim”, YOU LOSE – read it and weep – “110TH CONGRESS
2D SESSION
S. RES. __
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. _______________
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
Mrs. MCCASKILL (D) (for herself and Mr. LEAHY (D), ### Mr. OBAMA ### (D), Mr. COBURN (R), Mrs. CLINTON (D), and Mr. WEBB (D)”… (Summary of findings of Senate Judiciary Committee by Senator Leahy, (D) Vermont – http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html) – Obama, by his OWN definition, is NOT Constitutionally qualified. Quotes from Judiciary Committee hearing : “Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”
“It is silly for anyone to argue that Senator McCain is not eligible to become president,” said McCaskill. “I would hope that this is something we can all agree on, for goodness sakes.”
Michael Chertoff said “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen”. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy”. End quotes. “…American parentS”, proving the Committee (Senator Obama was a voting member) unanimously found that BOTH PARENTS MUST BE American Citizens to make their child a “natural born Citizen”. Obama Senior was NOT a Citizen. What is required of ONE candidate, MUST, BY LAW, be required of ALL candidates. Obama's first act, “Executive Order #13489″ on 21 January, 2009, sealed ALL Obama's background records, public AND private, thus he instantly broke his campaign promise of “transparency”. Is there anything else you want to know?


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:11 am

Obama will be recorded by historians as the biggest disgrace in this nation's history.


Lawyer
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 7:56 am

AJX ROCKS – I find it very interesting that you “…speak five languages fluently…”, but, even though you were supposedly “…born in the USA…”, you have an EXTREMELY poor grasp of English. BTW, Obama is a PUBLIC EMPLOYEE, just like the guys who drive street sweepers, therefore the PUBLIC has a perfect RIGHT to know his TRUE, CORRECT, and COMPLETE BACKGROUND. What was Obama's very first act as president? He signed “Executive Order 13489″, 21JAN09, (look it up) which sealed ALL his records, public AND private. So much for his campaign promise of “transparency”, it didn't even survive the first twenty four hours. What HAS Obama told the truth about?! As far as I can see, NOTHING. You had all better “hope” for “change” before that narcissistic fool destroys this entire country! AJX ROCKS – If you knew ANYTHING about the laws of this country, you would know the Napoleonic Code was never in use here except in parts of Louisiana that were settled by the French, it has had almost no effect on our legal system. The legal system in the USA was modeled after English Common Law, yet we have never recognized the theory of “SUI JURIS”, which the British use in determining “natural born SUBJECT”, not “natural born CITIZEN”. Britain is a “monarchy”, the USA is a “representative republic”. In a “monarchy” the government is superior to the people, thus the government is sovereign and the people are “subjects”. In a “representative republic”, the power is vested in the people, thus, under the U.S. Constitution, the people are legally “sovereign Citizens”. Most persons refer to the USA as a “democracy”, it is NOT. “Democracy” equals mob rule, which is a horrible form of government and we must distance ourselves from it. “Mob Rule” (“the majority voted for Obama, damn what the law says”) is what very ignorant persons believe places Obama above the law, I guarantee you he is NOT above the law, he is subject to it just as the rest of us are. Justice will be done, Obama will be forced from office by the courts or Congress. as water wears away stone, so shall the constant court actions being filed against Obama wear away his facade and expose the naked facts for all to see. “THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES.” Judge Land has disgraced the robes. Judge Land, you need to “man up” and resign now in order to save yourself and your family a great deal of public embarrassment and humiliation.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

Great, via the power of the law, he is our legal president. Now, you making up laws is just an exercise in futility, but you know that. So, you make up things about yourself to make yourself feel more important than you really are. Make up laws that exist nowhere but in your imagination. And throw crap out as facts. All it does it allow people to see you for what you really are. So, below you admit that Obama is born in the Great State of Hawaii. You then later admit that being born there makes him a citizen. Then, you make up some law that to be Natural Born you have to be born to 2 citizens, but can't come up with the law, constitution statement, or SCOTUS interpretation that backs that up. Why, because the constitution ONLY has 2 types of citizen, Natural Born and naturalized. So, via the constitution and SCOTUS opinions, Obama is a natural born citizen legally holding the office of president. You can scream and type in capitals all you want, it's never going to change the law and no one has ever come close to giving you the authority to change that. So boast and brag and think you're hot sh*t, Obama's going to be President until the voters, not the blowers, decide they don't want him for president, or he can't run anymore, via the law. Now, back to your regularly scheduled rantings and delusions…I guess they give you some sort of cheap pleasure and laughing at you gives us a running joke.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

Yep, he's very aware the law is on his side and he's the legal president. Thanks for pointing that out for all to see Lawyer. The rest has been done by presidents prior to Obama, so he's not doing anything different. You just don't like that fact. Doesn't matter, you have no authority to make demands, so you're just spitting into the wind and we're laughing at it smacking you in the face…again.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

Again doesn't matter. Via the 10th amendment, if Hawaii says he was born there, that's it. He was born there. And, all those lawyers preparing their “Rule 11″ complaints will be laughed out of court, just like Orly. Ho-hum, blather on, it just continues to show how little you know or understand about the laws of our country.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

Again, your sad attempts at understanding underscore your real reasons for pushing this. Read the heading, Only covers one aspect, there are many others. Like, being born in the US, or having at least one parent be an american citizen. You only use a single example, not even law or in the constitution to prove your non-point. In fact, all the same Senators felt that it was so obvious that Obama was a natural born citizen, they didn't even think it was necessary to bring it up. They thought it was so obvious that they agreed to make him president. Are you now saying that these Senators don't know the laws of the land?


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

Doesn't matter, again. If Hawaii says he was born there, he was born there. The details can only be released by the person. And, isn't it disingenuous of you to claim one thing then above claim another? If they'd said more, you'd sue for the records, if they say less they're not telling enough. But, they said he was born in Hawaii. Nuff said.


Jim
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

NOTE TO ALL: It's fine to argue with the blowers, I can promise you it's funny. Just do NOT click on any of their sites. They are trying to pawn off old worn-out forgeries and fake unprovable theories. The only thing is they are being paid by the visit, so the best way to shut them up is to not give them that money they need so desperately to keep their delusions going. That is why they keep bringing up the same tired arguments and hope they can get the next reader to click on their so-called “proof”. If they had any real proof, it wouldn't be on this board, it would be front and center on Fox News. I guess WND has a warehouse full of Anti-Obama junk to get rid of and hired these folks to get more traffic. If you like that sort of thing, I recommend going to WND and buying direct…it is still a free country, despite what these blowers say.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

So Lawyer you insult an international organization of people without knowing who they really are nor what countries they come from, huh. AXJ has a chapter in the USA and specifically in Hawaii and Kenya. They know the truth and will not make it public until your realize that if Mr. OBAMA was born in Hawaii he is a natural born citizen by ius solis no matter what you think so give it up. You are wrong. Period. End of Story Tale…Mr. Alice in Wonderland. Land called you on it but you don't realize because you are so arrogant that the written Law is meant to be interpreted by Human Beings and in this case the American People have spoken. No get over it.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

Lawyer, legally and technically you are right here except that you forgot to mention that the Law is meant to be interpreted by human beings, be they judges or a jury…

You are wrong in the ius solis because almost all original founding fathers were europeans and their children automatically became natural born citizens (nbc) upon their birth on American soil.

Does your ignorance and lack of understanding go that deep, and you resentment for a person that thinks differently than you keep you in the forest and the trees do not permit you to see reality?

None of the children of those original natural born citizens (NBC) had any parents that were born in the USA and many parents had not even become US citizens. The 13 colonies needed Spain to help them defeat the UK and needed Spanish money to establish a new government.

You must go back to History of Law 101 and History of Europe and American History 101. Do you even know what money actually circulated in 1776 and what language was predominent thoughout Europe and America? Duh. Though so.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

Jim, you are shooting yourself in the foot here. Money makes capitalism and your way of life a reality. AXJ is a non profit organization and donates to charities around the world. They have employees too that must buy food and eat just like you.

Are you that much of a socialist-communist that you want to do away with money too?

Starve the hand that feeds you? You sound like Michael Moore making millions by talking down about capitalism.

Now wonder Lawyer (R-short of Nazi) and you (D-Red short of Mao) are having such a good time together in bed while AXJ has to keep you too apart…the truth lies somewhere in the middle…and that is where AXJ is…


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

I'd like to know how this applies. The reason for the judiciary committe was to decide on McCain because he was born overseas to two US Citizens in a foreign hospital as opposed to in an embassy or on a military base which are considered extensions of US soil.

As opposed to Obama who was born to a US Citizen in Hawai'i.

As it is, the two points are mutually exclusive. You might want to make sure your arguments are actually valid and apply to the topic at hand before you make them…


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

More like to help get it out of your mouth…


TimeToTellTheTruth_net
Comment posted September 26, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

Jim, don't make false statements. The site TimeToTellTheTruth.net has no products to sell, no ads and is not collecting donations. It will provide the law in a simple format to show that Barry Hussein Soetoro is not a “natural born citizen”. Quit showing your ignorance and arguing points you can't prove.

BTW, Obama's legal name is “Barry Hussein Soetoro”. He never legally changed it after he was adopted in Indonesia by his step-father. If you don't think so, look at:
http://www.BarrySoetoro.com
http://www.BarryHusseinSoetoro.com
http://www.BarackHusseinSoetoro.com

There are only two positions in government that require you to be a “natural born citizen”: President and Vice President. American History or Government classes have failed to teach the importance of this and this is why very few people know the difference in citizen, native born citizen and natural born citizen. Obama has already admitted the truth; he himself says he is a native-born citizen.


Jim
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 12:20 am

Isn't it funny, blowers complaining about false statements. People, including me, were willing to give them a chance to make their case, and found nothing worthwhile. However, some sites tried to download viruses onto my computer, so before you click I recommend you make sure that your virus protection is up to date and be ready to disconnect before they can download the viruses. Otherwise, I'm just warning people to be careful going to unknown sites that have the possibility of damaging their computers…as they should always be aware of.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

You mean documentation that was already deemed acceptable for his eligibility for candidacy for President? Why supply that twice?

And it was Orly’s job to prove her client need not deploy. PRESIDENT Obama was not on trial so he need not have done anything to defend himself. If he is the defendant, it is prosecution’s job to bring the evidence against him.

Something that Orly obviously failed to do.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

Listen Orly, no matter how many different names you post under we know it's you. The same links to crapware-infested right-wing websites, the same ignorance of the law, the same debunked facts…it's all the same garbage that you birfers always try to put over on us sane people. The fact that you will never win any of these stupid birfer cases just shows the rest of the world how retarded this whole movement always was.

Maybe you should stick to “dentistry” and “real estate.”


Majority Will
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

You are an asshole.


Majority Will
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

Seriously, you are an asshole.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

“Before her national news exposure, Taitz had previously been personally involved in 22 lawsuits in Orange County civil court. Most of the cases involved “accusations of dental and medical malpractice” and breach of contract suits.”

I can cite the source for that, if you like…


Steve_X
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

More birfer bullshit, I see. Maybe you should get all of this “evidence” in to Orly before she files her next frivolous lawsuit. No one is going to click on your spyware-infested links in order to call you out on your repeated lies and misunderstanding of the law, so you'll have to settle for those of us in the reality-based community to do it here on WI.

The only people (and I use that term loosely) who show their ignorance and argue points that they can't prove are birfers. I suggest that you quit telling us sane people how to behave and get back in your padded cell where you belong.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

I don't think that you have to. If there is one thing that Orly has shown us, it's that she is quite possibly the worst lawyer to ever set foot into a courtroom; it only stands to reason that her incompetence would spill over into the realm of “dentistry” as well. I'd be more surprised if she WASN'T facing lawsuits.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

So you think our proud military veterans are crazy?

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2640

Letter faxed to Fed Judge Carter from a Vietnam Veteran

Looks like the military are very interested in Federal Judge Carter granting discovery on October 5, 2009.

All Military personnel with that day off should be present in Santa Ana, CA.

Letter faxed to Judge Carter from a Vietnam Veteran

Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:19 AM
From: “Tom MacLeran”
To:“Orly Taitz” <dr_taitz>
Thomas G. MacLeran
Ormond Beach, Florida

September 26, 2009

Honorable Judge David O. Carter

U.S. District Court

Central District of California

Santa Ana, California

Dear Honorable Judge Carter:

In 1963 I enlisted in the U.S. Navy and took an oath to defend and protect our country from all enemies Foreign and Domestic. The country that I took the oath to deployed me to Vietnam in 1965 and I put my life on the line to defend the Constitution of our country.

It has now come to my attention that this same country is abusing the court system to try and keep it’s law abiding citizens from knowing if the leader of our country is constitutionally qualified to serve. There have been judges that have said that someone with my background has no “standing” to request proof that our leaders meet the constitutional qualifications. I am sure that I do not need to elaborate on how much of an insult the ruling is.

The question of President Obama’s qualifications goes back to August 2008, before he was even officially nominated by the Democratic Party. Since that time the citizens of this great nation have been told that we do not matter and have no right to question the people that were elected to office. Your previous rulings have shown that we were right to not over react and to keep working the court system, because we will find a judge that is honorable and will allow us to know if our president is actually Constitutionally qualified.

The latest attempt by the governments attorney’s to use a ruling by a judge in Georgia that didn’t even address the plaintiff’s points in his ruling is a slap in the face to this and every veteran that put their life on the line, or died, to protect our Constitution. Reading that the government attorney’s believe it is a victory to have a judge rule to by-pass verification that our Constitution is being followed by our president is a total disgrace. Never has the American Citizens been allowed to view President Obama’s documents. In fact, an Executive Order has been signed to not allow his documents to be released without the approval of the Attorney General.

It took me 18 years to finally get past the nightmares I had after my return from Vietnam. I now find myself living in a nightmare knowing that the county I loved enough to defend is telling it’s citizens that they have no right to question their leaders.

Honorable Judge Carter, I appeal to you to help us resolve this issue so that every American Citizen will know if our president is constitutionally qualified to hold the highest office of this land.

Thank you,

Thomas G. MacLeran
Vietnam Veteran – FTM-3

Source: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/


Steve_X
Comment posted September 27, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

That just proves that you know absolutely nothing about the law, since no court has the authority to overturn an election. Of course, you ARE a birfer, so I wouldn't expect you to know any actual laws, just the ones that you've made up in your mind.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 12:01 am

Considering Orly's history of forged documentation, I hope you'll understand if I find her a less-than-reliable source for letters and other such hard copies.

Now if letters like these start appearing at other more reliable sites or new stations, then I'll take more notice.

Actually Rocks, considering I've read on your site that other “birthers” – as the term goes – are beginning to distance themselves from Orly, I'm surprised you would actually use anything from her site at all.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 5:46 am

Please cite the court of Law that has declared the documentation forged.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:00 am

If you're referring to the letter, I'm not saying it is a forgery. In truth, I would hope she has more tact that to stoop to such a level when it comes to veterans.

However, given her past record, I would like to see that letter appear somewhere else before I trust it fully.


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Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

OK, for your entertainment, Orly's latest filing.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2009…

Again, showing how much she knows about lawyering, asking to be removed as Capt Rhodes' counsel to disclose privileged information. Guess client/attorney wasn't covered in her mail-order class…LOL.


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Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

So does this mean the letter sent on behalf of Cpt Rhodes was validated and she confirmed it after getting to Iraq?

Because, honestly, that's how it reads…


AXJ
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 6:37 am

Posted on | September 28, 2009 |

Orly Taitz needs your help now:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2652

Judge Carter will grant discovery.


AXJ
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 6:38 am

Jim are you stupid. Just imagine the pressure Rhodes is under. In a dictatorship things work this way.


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Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 9:56 am

I can imagine the pressure of stupidity that Orly put her under. First time I've heard of Orly being called a dictator, but judging from her ramblings, that's probably correct.


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Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

yup, the Judge didn't help her one bit. He sent her off to Afganistan. What business do we have there I will never know…


Jim
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Judge didn't send her anyplace. See what I mean when you folks can't get a single fact correct and we just laugh at your attempts? BTW, it was Iraq that Capt Rhodes was stationed to and we're in Afganistan because the folks who attacked us on 9/11 were based there. AXJ, do you ever get out of that basement?


Jim
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

DO NOT CLICK ON BLOWER SITES. They only have forged documents and unprovable theories. Some also contain viruses.

Now you see AXJ, we're going to treat you like we do terrorists…cut off your funding and then cut you off completely. No one is giving you clicks or donations, so you may even have to get a real job requiring real work and living in the real world and not your delusional one. About time you got out of that basement and saw the real world!


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Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Funny, AXJ is a non profit so doubt if they make any money. I like them because they disagree with you and want to know why OBAMA has sealed his documents, that is all.


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Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

Hey Jim, didn't we attack Iraq? And no bombers came from there. Explain that one…plus Congress never declared war on Iraq…dumbshit.


Jim
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Don't blame me AXJ, I didn't want to go there. Can I help it if Bush and his cronies decided that Afganistan didn't make them look tough enough and decided to go after Iraq for no reason other than their personal needs to look tougher than they really were? It is amazing to me that all those who were gun-ho for attacking Iraq were all the same people who did everything they could to avoid having to fight in Vietnam…including using their daddies to get them out of it. Besides, most of the bombers came from Saudi Arabia…did you want Bush to attack them next?


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Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

AXJ prove you are not a non-profit. You saying it doesn't make it true. WND is losing on this delusion, so they need idiots like you to get rid of all the anti-Obama junk they've been trying to pawn off on the blower public. I hear they have a warehouse or 2 full of this junk and the creditors are starting to beat down the door. You may want to make sure that check doesn't bounce before you get it into the bank.


CauldronBorn
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

In that same spirit, try asking a Vietnam veteran if they were fighting in a war or a “police action”. Just because Congress didn't officially deem it so doesn't mean that isn't what it was…


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Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

Yeah Orly, YOU ROCK!


tracyfair
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

That's why you know nothing, cause you stick to the lying sites and censored news channels.

Moronic Imbeciles!


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Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

ORLY TAITZ TO SCHEDULE EMERGENCY
HEARING WITH JUDGE CARTER?

Once AP has authenticated the article below Attorney Orly Taitz has decided to request an emergency motion and hearing with Judge David O. Carter of Santa Ana, CA. since this is certainly the “smoking gun” Birthers have been waiting for all along.

It so happens that 5 years ago the prestigious publication AP knew that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, II was in fact born in Kenya and therefore not eligible to occupy the Office of the President.

Apparently thousands of birthers around the United States are organizing an emergency demonstration tomorrow in front of the White House in Washington, D.C. expecting Mr. OBAMA to resign immediately.

Then arrests will begin of all those that have covered up this fraud and conspiracy among them the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court which swore Mr. OBAMA into power, the Vice President Mr. Biden, Nancy Pelosi and others are on the list.

Judge Land will have to face up to his superiors and many other actions are expected tomorrow October 15th, 2009 thoughout the United States.

The U.S. Military will be on top alert and the Chiefs of Staff are expected to ask Mr. OBAMA to resign before they have to disobey his orders.

Mr. OBAMA has decided to play with fire and apparently will be burned in the process.

Birthers around the United States are writing their Senators and Congress Representatives in a never before seen frenzy instructing them to order Mr. OBAMA to resign and for Congress to assemble and begin immediate impeachment proceedings.

Obama Born In Kenya According To 2004 News Article

Apparently OBAMA supporters now have a lot of explaining to do to Judge Carter, Orly Taitz ( which is presenting it to him as we write ), and the rest of the AMERICAN PEOPLE:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2827

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Sunday, June 27, 2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

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Barrack Obama

“It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race,” Ryan, 44, said in a statement. “What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play.”

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was “truly outrageous” that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

“I feel for him actually,” Obama told a Chicago TV station. “What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody.”

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

“Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state,” she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, “There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere.”

—AP


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