A Bad Day for Birthers

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 at 4:25 pm

I’ve been remiss in linking to Alan Riquelmy’s report on a brutal court loss for Orly Taitz, the birther lawyer whose fame seems to be at the 14:59 mark. It’s not surprising that another one of Taitz’s incoherent filings has been thrown out of court. But the warning here is somewhat new.

U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land today tossed out a complaint by an Army captain fighting deployment to Iraq by questioning the legitimacy of President Barack Obama.

Land also put attorney Orly Taitz, who represents Capt. Connie Rhodes and is a leader in the national “birther” movement, on notice by stating that she could face sanctions if she ever files a similar “frivolous” lawsuit in his court.

The whole decision is here. An excerpt:

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Centipede
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Another day, another birther and Taitz fail. I never get tired of it.


JohnC
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

Judge Land had a lot of choice things to say about the soldier, but he didn't hesitate to discuss the ridiculous accusations in the complaint. A few highlights below…

Birthers make much of the supposed inadequacy the Certification of Live Birth, and therefore the obligation of President Obama to disprove any doubts about it. That's not how Judge Land saw it:

Plaintiff’s counsel speculates that President Obama was not born in the United States based upon the President’s alleged refusal to disclose publicly an “official birth certificate” that is satisfactory to Plaintiff’s counsel and her followers. She therefore seeks to have the judiciary compel the President to produce “satisfactory” proof that he was born in the United States. Counsel makes these allegations although a “short-form” birth certificate has been made publicly available which indicates that the President was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

Acknowledging the existence of a document that shows the President was born in Hawaii, Plaintiff alleges that the document “cannot be verified as genuine, and should be presumed
fraudulent.”

Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof, Plaintiff unashamedly alleges that Defendant has the burden to prove his “natural born” status…. Thus, Plaintiff’s counsel, who champions herself as a defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to compel a citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to “prove his innocence” to “charges” that are based upon conjecture and speculation. Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to purportedly “protect and preserve” those very principles.

As for the Kenyan “birth certificates,” it looks like introducing them into evidence without authentication will not suffice:

One piece of “evidence” Plaintiff’s counsel relies upon deserves further discussion. Counsel has produced a document that she claims shows the President was born in Kenya, yet she has not authenticated that document. She has produced an affidavit from someone who allegedly obtained the document from a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya by paying “a cash ‘consideration’ to a Kenyan military officer on duty to look the other way, while [he] obtained the copy” of the document… Counsel has not, however, produced an original certificate of authentication from the government agency that supposedly has official custody of the document. Therefore, the Court finds that the alleged document is unreliable due to counsel’s failure to properly authenticate the document. See Fed. R. Evid. 901.

Judge Land also didn't take kindly to the hyperbole frequently encountered in birther claims:

She has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is
ineligible to serve as President of the United States. Instead, she uses her Complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the President is “an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, [and] an unqualified imposter.” … She continues with bare, conclusory allegations that the President is “an alien, possibly even an unnaturalized or even an unadmitted
illegal alien . . . without so much as lawful residency in the United States.” … Then, implying that the President is either a wandering nomad or a prolific identity fraud crook, she alleges that
the President “might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 social security numbers prior to assuming the office of President.”

I'm assuming Ms. Taitz will not be back in Judge Land's courtroom any time in the near future. After she heard about the decision, she declared that Judge Land should be tried along with Obama for treason. (She would have called him a brownshirt if he hadn't been wearing a black robe.)

Having said that, she'd be stupid to bring another birther suit before any court after having made an outburst like that.


rootin4obama
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

YOU GO JUDGE!!!


JimPA
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

Ms. Taitz is a joke. The bigger jokes are those that follow here. I read that the bithers movement is big in the South and in the North, no so much. Well, we'll see what the birthers next move is.


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Centipede
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Pure pwnage by Judge Land. Too bad Taitz is crazy enough to try this again.


mantis
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 12:27 am

She has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is
ineligible to serve as President of the United States. Instead, she uses her Complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the President is “an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, [and] an unqualified imposter.”

This very nicely describes birtherism, and the behavior of every birther.


Pug
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 12:43 am

Indeed it was a bad day for the birthers.

She actually said the judge should be tried along with Obama? And she is allegedly an attorney? That is proof of insanity right there.


JohnC
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 12:57 am

Too bad Taitz is crazy enough to try this again.

Well, if she keeps doing it, she'll either end up bankrupt from paying out endless court costs and attorney fees, jailed for contempt of court, or without a bar license if she starts racking up Rule 11 sanctions or makes scurrilous “treason” comments about judges who render adverse rulings.


JohnC
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 12:59 am

The California State Bar is probably treading lightly for now for fear of being accused of attacking Taitz for her political views, even though there's no question her behavior is utterly unprofessional and her representation has been blatantly incompetent.


JohnC
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 1:04 am

Well, I'd love to see Taitz appeal this to the circuit court of appeal – if her client is crazy enough to retain her as counsel. I'm sure the appellate court will be even less impressed by Taitz's frivolous complaint, and not particularly impressed with her subsequent vulgar comments about the district court judge.


RedGraham
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 3:12 am

A headline reads “FRIVOLOUS” but per the court transcript the judge in the California supreme court stated the following reasons for his ruling:
1-Captain Rhodes would have gone to Afghanistan if Bush was still president & therefore allowing her to not go because of her doubts about Obama's eligibility would undermine “military operations” due to the fact many more soldiers would make the same claim to avoid deployment.
2-The Kenyan Birth Certificates(1w/infant Obama's footprint) were produced “for profit”.
3-”For the public good”


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 4:39 am

Hi Jim. this birther thing is so last month. I'm having a great time whacking teabaggers at the NMI site. We even have a Sarah Palin lookalike complaining that they aren't getting enough press coverage.


Paul
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

The birthers, the tea baggers, the screamers, and the deathers continued extreme minority presence will become tiresome to mainstream America, if it has not already done so. To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true, if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it. In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”. I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC).


Chris R
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

Why all the lies? Why has the right wing of our country been reduced to lying about everything?

The scary thing is that there are plenty of people who believe this stuff.


Obot 1024
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Orly just filed a Motion for Reconsideration in which she accuses the judge of treason

Some choice quotes

“Plaintiff submits that to advocate a breach of constitutional oaths to uphold the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, is in fact a very practical form of “adhering” to those enemies, foreign and domestic, and thus is tantamount to treason, as Defined in Article III, Section 3, even when pronounced in Court.”

“”The Court’s failure to address these three key issues again, standing alone, is suggestive that the executive branch is exercising control over the Court’s decision-making process, and is a sufficient ground, by itself, to justify this Court’s grant of an EMERGENCY STAY OF DEPLOYMENT for at least TEN DAYS”"

“This Court has threatened the undersigned counsel with sanctions for advocating that a legally conscious, procedurally sophisticated, and constitutionally aware army officers corps is the best protection against the encroachment of anti-democratic, authoritarian, neo-Fascistic or Palaeo-Communistic dictatorship in this country, without pointing to any specific language, facts, or allegations of fact in the Complaint or TRO as frivolous.”


JohnC
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

If you're a true believer but you haven't got the goods, you've got to make something up.

Conservatism will once again become a potent force in this country when it begins offering cogent solutions for America's problems, rather than a revanchist yearning for a social and religious utopia that never existed and a penchant for economic and political nihilism counched in the language of libertarianism and patriotism.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

Now, for what Weigel won't tell you about the decision, see this. Don't expect Weigel to tell you about that aspect of things; he probably thinks Taitz should get a different standard of justice than Obama.

Maybe Hugo Chavez is hiring.


JohnC
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Why should President Obama have to prove that he has a valid COLB if Ms. Taitz is excused from authenticating a document she is using to challenge it?

I think the court is right: You prove to me why I should doubt that the defendant has a valid state-issued document, and then I will force that defendant to put up or shut up. That's not a different standard of justice. It's called the “burden of proof,” and it is a basic and crucial component of our legal system.


mantis
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Different standard of justice? But that's exactly what the Birther Queen wants:

Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof, Plaintiff unashamedly alleges that Defendant has the burden to prove his “natural born” status. (Id. ¶¶ 136-138, 148.) Thus, Plaintiff’s counsel, who champions herself as a defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to compel a citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to “prove his innocence” to “charges” that are based upon conjecture and speculation. Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to purportedly “protect and preserve” those very principles.

Land isn't showing a pro-Obama bias, he's showing a pro-rule of law bias, as he should.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

My issue has nothing to do with that; consider understanding someone's argument before commenting on it.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

This doesn't involve the “burden of proof”; it involves rules relating to evidence.


Obot 1024
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Judge Carter just granted a stay of discovery prior to considering the Motion to Dismiss filed by the US attorneys representing Obama in Orly's other case.


JohnC
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

The burden of proof is on Ms. Taitz to produce evidence to support a prima facie claim against the defendants to avoid dismissal. The defendants do not have a burden to produce anything at this stage. Therefore, any evidentiary rules operate within the context of burden of proof.

Ms. Taitz has the option of introducing whatever evidence she wishes. She has introduced a copy of a document purported to be a foreign birth certificate. She failed to provide official certification that the document is what it purports to be, which is necessary for the authentication of foreign-issued official documents. Therefore, without authentication, it cannot be introducted into evidence.

Ms. Taitz also has the right to introduce a copy of President Obama's Hawaii COLB into evidence and then attempt to attack its legitimacy. But she did not do so. The judge didn't rule the COLB inadmissible, because it was never introduced as evidence. But the judge was right to essentially point out in dicta that an official document like the COLB deserves the assumption of validity, and that what has been made publicly available indicates that Obama was born in Hawaii. (Unlike Taitz, he's not willing to start with the assumption that FactCheck has put out a fraud.) Again, if Taitz disagrees, maybe she should introduce it as evidence next time.

The judge was perfectly within his right to rule as he did.


mantis
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

I understood your “argument,” and found it amusing in light of the fact that what you accuse the judge of, erroneously (look up burden of proof, dumbass), is exactly what Taitz is doing. Namely, she wants to change the judicial system in such a way that the burden of proof is placed on the defendant, and a plaintiff has no responsibility to provide any evidence supporting her claim. Ass-backwards, just like the workings of your feeble, remaining 24 brain cells.


mantis
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

This doesn't involve the “burden of proof”; it involves rules relating to evidence.

You must be down to 23 brain cells by now, if you don't believe burden of proof has anything to do with evidence.


RedGraham
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 5:19 am

That's right like all those accussed of a crime Obama is protected against self-incrimination.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 5:31 am

The only thing that these “choice quotes” do is reinforce the notion that Orly Taitz and the birfers are batshit fucking insane.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 5:52 am

<italics>This doesn't involve the “burden of proof”; it involves rules relating to evidence.<italics>
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This is quite possibly the stupidest fucking thing that I've ever read. I have to admit, though, the way you managed to cram so much EPIC FAIL into one sentence is admirable. You've shown us all that we could accomplish similar feats if we followed your example and didn't let sanity get in the way


birfers are dumber than dumb
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Lonefappo is just waiting to inherit the Birfer Throne once his girlfriend O RLY is disbarred.


birfers are dumber than dumb
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Lonefappo is just waiting to inherit the Birfer Throne once his girlfriend O RLY is disbarred.


birfers are dumber than dumb
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Lonefappo is just waiting to inherit the Birfer Throne once his girlfriend O RLY is disbarred.


birfers are dumber than dumb
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Lonefappo is just waiting to inherit the Birfer Throne once his girlfriend O RLY is disbarred.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Since Taitz is waaayyyy too stupid and delusional to quit embarrassing herself, I wouldn't be surprised if Judge Carter decides to write something like this: http://ia311029.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.usco…

In other words, Orly's a delusional loser. All of the birfers are. It's only a matter of time before she is permanently disbarrred and possibly imprisoned for submitting false evidence to the court and suborning perjury.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

“the birther movement?” Wait. I thought Tiuci78 kept stamping his foot about how he wants it to be called “the eligibility issue?” Isn't this continued 'birther” description going to upset Randwulf/Roguewind/Brokewind. who repeatedly uses the word “nigger” when someone uses the word “birther,” just so that we non-birthers can feel his pain at being labeled a derogatory term?

I question the sensitivity of …. oh fuck never mind. It IS the birther movement. I can't even be facetious about this nonsense.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Stephen, WB I was beginning to wonder if you had been silenced by randpuppy and the Stormfront mob.

I have been busy on the NMI site playing with the teabaggers, they have a Sarah Palin look-alike blogging there. Her name is Bridgett and was complaining that the Santa Fe paper covered the dog parade and not the teabaggers demonstration. Dogs in costumes are more interesting than teabaggers.

The birther thing seemed to be dead but zombies are hard to kill, especially the new fast
zombies.


monkey99
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 1:44 am

stephenperry,

About that last sentence, you're doing pretty good, so far!

Just look at it this way, you can coat a dogturd with chocolate, but it's still a dogturd!


chrisjay
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 4:23 am

How's about we lynch Birfers for the next few decades, starting with this clown, so that they can begin to earn an equivalency between the terms' nigger' & 'birther' ? I'm here to help.


JimPA
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 11:03 am

Pete and Stephen – Whats up? What is NMI?


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Hi Jim, I don't know whats up with Stephen but i have been busy at the New Mexico Independent site. We have plenty of wingnuts locally to play with. Birthers and teabaggers are fading so i am going after the nativists.

Someone in Mass. is calling our governor an anchor baby, i don't like him but this is too much. The immigration debate is complicated but the nativists are showing their racism and fascist nationalism and must be countered.

Have you seen the story about the Defund ACORN Act applying to all defense contractors? Congressman Boner pulled a real boner and may have caused real trouble for his friends and funders in the Military Industrial Complex.


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AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 6:20 am

BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS!
(Sung to the tune of “The Battle Hymn of? the Republic”)

Mine eyes have not yet seen
Obama's birth certificate.
It is hidden in a vault
Where only God's Right Hand can get.
Obama's C. O. L. B. is a
Lousy counterfeit.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

(Author grants permission to reprint on web or in print and to perform in public)


FirstShirt
Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

First of all let me say that I do not have a dog in this hunt. I have no opinion one way or the other regarding the location of Obama’s birth. I am certain of one thing; I will catch hell from a variety of foul-mouthed posters to this lunacy for having the unmitigated gall to make this post.

The Constitution is clear on this issue. POTUS has to have been born on American soil. Simple. The fact that a person has a Passport issued by the USA is not proof of the location (country) of said person’s birth. Go do your research.

Here is my position. If, in fact, Mr. Obama was born in the USA why is it he will not simply put this issue to rest? A Certificate of Live Birth is not necessarily the proof of the location of said person’s birth. Add to this a list of who knows how many possible pro and con issues regarding his birth place. Yawn.

If I were Mr. Obama I would put this to rest. I would produce the necessary document(s) to allay any suspicion that I was not constitutionally qualified to be the POTUS. It is about as difficult to resolve this issue as it is to show a State Trooper your driver’s license.

OK. I’m ready for the litany of idiotic postings questioning my intelligence, sanity, politics, and shoe size.


wayoutwest
Comment posted October 11, 2009 @ 6:37 am

President Obama has long ago produced all necessary documents relevant to his place of birth. No one in the government, FBI, CIA, Supreme Court, has a problem with this so called issue.

Anyone who has been paying attention is satisfied that this is a non-issue.

There are a small group of people who will not accept reality and persist in their delusions that they can bring down a popularly elected president.

The reasons for these peoples hatred of The President are evident in their rhetoric. They demand and no one listens, they file frivolous lawsuits and no one listens, they rave on the web and are ridiculed for their efforts

They put their hopes in a halfwit correspondence course lawyer and don't understand why no one listens.

Life as a birther is a sad existence.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 12, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

His certificate that has been available for viewing online for more than a year clearly states he was born in Honolulu Hawaii. The seal that is affixed to that certificate is attesting to the fact that it is a true and legal document issued by Hawaii to affirm a birth at a time, date and location specified on said document. States no longer give out so called “long form” birth certificates. My grandchild was born in 2005 and has a certificate just like Obama's- different state. You don't get a choice. They give you what they give you. The certificate posted is legally acceptable to all government offices as proof of birth where and when stated. Nothing else is needed. When will you all get it through your thick heads that they don't do it the same way anymore? They also do not release information to anyone who does not have a compelling interest- i.e. child, parent, grandparent, sibling. privacy laws have changed things. Birth certificates are not “government records” per say that fall under the FOIA. In other words, it's none of your business. You have the proof available online at Factcheck.org with some very good photo's instead of the scanned one the Obama campaign had made available. It's real and been examined thoroughly. That answers the question as to where and when our president was born.


Jack Hauswirth
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

I agree with the court's anger at frivolous suites, however… I, and I believe many Americans, would like Obama to just bring forth his birth certificate and end the charade. Up or down. It's the appearance that he is dissembling that keeps the fire going.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 13, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

” A Certificate of Live Birth is not necessarily the proof of the location of said person’s birth.”

According to the state of Hawaii, it is legal proof in any court in the U.S.
I'll believe the Hawaiian DOH and the Republican Governor of Hawaii over anonymous bloggers and posters any day of the week. They have confirmed that our President is a natural born citizen from the state of Hawaii.
There's your answer.


FirstShirt
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 12:48 am

Well, youmustbejoking, you have not made the first valid argument. You have simply regurgitated the same irrelevant “non-facts” scattered all over the internet. Hawaii is renowned for improper birth certificate procedures during the time period that the President was born, many years before and many years after. Basically, they would give anyone a birth certificate if they asked for one.

The Hawaii issued document is not proof of Mr. Obama's location of birth. However, the document prepared by the hospital and/or Doctor where he was born is the required proof. Here is an example; Maya Soetoro, Obama's half sister was born in Indonesia to Lolo Soetoro and Ann Dunham. Her birth in Indonesia is an undisputed fact. She too has a Hawaiian Birth Certificate just like her brother Barrack. I bet you’ve never even heard of Maya Soetoro.

While living in Indonesia, Maya Soetoro was home schooled by her mother and then attended Jakarta International School and returned to Hawaii and attended the private Punahou School in Honolulu, Hawaii, graduating in 1988.

During the period Obama was born (inclusive of 1961) there were four possible birth certificates that could be issued. Likely Obama’s is a BC2 or BC3 type. Does it seem strange to you that Obama's Birth Certificate, issued in 1961, was printed by a laser printer? Who had a laser printer in 1961? No one, that's who.

So, if you are still interested in exploring the “facts” try this link: http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697 I’m certain you will find fault with the authors of this site, but look anyway. They are probably associated with the damned Republicans.

Of course, nearly everyone in America is biased in one direction or the other on any issue regarding Obama. I’m fairly old and I have never seen anything like this biased opinion based on absolutely nothing, based on “thin air.” That goes for be pro-Obama or anti-Obama. Because I am one of the few that are not biased in either direction I have actually done a little better research than your “Snopes” quote.

That still leads to one rational conclusion. Mr. Obama, where is your Doctor or mid-wife signed, hospital issued birth certificate?


Sane Guy
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 1:54 am

What makes you think his birth certificate is printed with a laser-printer? You would think that sort of thing would tip off the Republican Governor of Hawaii when the obvious fraud was presented to him. I'm 40 and lost my doctor-signed birth certificate years ago, does that mean I'm also not a citizen? My mother will be shocked to hear it. Obama's birth announcement was in two different Hawaii newspapers. So the CIA must have replaced all the microfishe copies of those newspapers in all the public libraries just to perpetuate the hoax. Man, those guys are good.


FirstShirt
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

Hey Sane Guy,

What makes you think your copy of your Dr signed certificate is the only copy in existance? Anyway, you are obviously a Democrat and a staunch Obama supporter like I alluded to in the previous post. I couldn't care less if Obama has 3 terms in the White House. Have a nice day.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Obambie is a usurper.

Because of his British father, and dual citizenship, Obama was not, is not, and never will be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. His birthplace is meaningless when it comes to his eligibility.

Patriots, never stop declaring the truth.

HOPE-for-CHANGE


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Does Dingle Barry act guilty?

When a car is pulled over by a cop. A normal honest person pulls over and shows their license. Simple.

The criminal will engage in all manner of tricks and evasions to to keep the truth from being known. The more energetic the evasion, the more serious the likely crime.

It's pretty obvious which behavior obummer has chosen. He's GUILTY!!!


captainsteve
Comment posted October 14, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

They haven't shown anything other than a photo-shopped image. Show me the real one and we'll talk.

The DoH has no authority or constitutional expertise to make any judgment about natural born citizenship, nor have they. They made a meaningless word-play statement.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:03 am

The Ofraud’s supporters love to trot out newspaper ads as proof. We’ll here’s an article from Nairobi Kenya’s newspaper, the East African Standard, about Obummer’s Kenyan birth. This was in 2004 before Bill Ayers and his radical left buddies began re-engineering him and scrubbing the internet for evidence of his true background.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 2:22 am

Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code states the following persons are considered “citizens at birth” and therefore eligible to run for President or Vice-President:

•Anyone born in the United States.

•Any Native American or Native Alaskan born in the United States (provided that U.S. citizenship does not affect the person's status as a tribal citizen).

•Anyone born outside the United States to U.S. citizen parents, as long as at least one lived in the United States before the person was born.

•Anyone born outside the United States if one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year, and the other is a U.S. national.

•Anyone born in a U.S. possession if at least one parent is a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for at least a year.

•Anyone found in the U.S. before the age of five whose parentage is unknown, as long as proof of foreign birth is not shown by age 21.

•Anyone born outside the United States to an alien parent and a citizen parent who lived in the United States for at least five years (military and diplomatic service or dependency to be included in this requirement).

•Anyone born before May 23, 1934 to an alien father and a citizen mother who lived in the United States for any period.

U.S. Constitution United States law Constitutional law


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:32 am

You are such a delusional idiot.

OOOOOOOH, “captainsteve” heard new voices!

Captain of circle jerks and insanity. You misspelled Photoshop, dumbass.

Put up or STFU, drooler.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:34 am

And yet, you're still a lying, delusional, paranoid pussy.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:36 am

That's your proof?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Holy crap, You're certifiable.


Majority Will
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:47 am

“Hawaii is renowned for improper birth certificate procedures during the time period that the President was born, many years before and many years after. Basically, they would give anyone a birth certificate if they asked for one.”

Bullshit. I'm not even going to ask for proof since this is batshit insane.

“Because I am one of the few that are not biased in either direction I have actually done a little better research than your “Snopes” quote.”

Well, if you start quoting Whirled Nut Daily, you deserve a virtual bitch slapping.

Your post is classic birfer BS.

“Mr. Obama, where is your Doctor or mid-wife signed, hospital issued birth certificate?”

Do you have all of the other Presidents' records considering Carter was the first to be born in a hospital. So much scrutiny. What could possibly be an old fart's motivation?

Some more reading for the delusional elderly:
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2009/wndb…
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/…

But you're old and will probably die soon. Never mind.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:08 am

What a POS joke you are. . .not all citizens are “natural born.” Get your scummy lies away from here.


FirstShirt
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 4:13 am

Majority Will,

Your intelligence is in question. Learn to spell and acquire a better command of the English language. By the way, I'm not a Birther, or as you put it, birfer.

Your foul mouth will get you in trouble some day. But you can hide behind your keyboard on line and post your vile verbiage with impunity. Have a nice life.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:08 am

AP News item. Barry was born in Kenya.

Here’s an article from Nairobi Kenya’s newspaper, the East African Standard, about Obummer’s Kenyan birth. This was in 2004 before Bill Ayers and his radical left buddies began re-engineering him and scrubbing the internet for evidence of his true background. The Ofraud’s supporters love to trot out newspaper ads as proof. Here’s the real deal. AP News verified!

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

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captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:23 am

Get back into your sewer, racist pervert dumba$$.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:46 am

Party is over for OBAMA.

Obama Born In Kenya According To 2004 News Article

Apparently OBAMA supporters now have a lot of explaining to do to Judge Carter, Orly Taitz ( which is presenting it to him as we write ), and the rest of the AMERICAN PEOPLE:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2827

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Sunday, June 27, 2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

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Barrack Obama

“It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race,” Ryan, 44, said in a statement. “What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play.”

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was “truly outrageous” that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

“I feel for him actually,” Obama told a Chicago TV station. “What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody.”

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

“Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state,” she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, “There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere.”

—AP


msdaisy
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 12:05 pm

So, let me see if I have this right. Birthers claim that BO was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya, or maybe Indonesia and that the BC issued by the state of Hawaii is a forgery, and the forged Kenya BC is actually the true BC. And even if he was born in Hawaii, which they claim he wasn’t he’s not a NBAC so still can’t be POTUS. Plus BO Sr. is not really his father, it was really Malcolm X, and his mother is not really his mother either. And because BO Sr. was a British citizen, BO Jr. is one too and not an American, but Malcolm X was born in Nebraska, but since BO Jr. mom is not his real mom, but is a felon and we don’t really know who his mom is he still is not a NBAC.

AND, he has multiple passports, SSN’s, and the WND (World Nut Daily) claimed he was not a citizen and that his BC was fake, then they said is wasn’t fake, then they said it was.

And all the birth announcements placed in the paper in 1961 were planted by his American grandparents so someday he could prove he was born there and be POTUS because his Kenyan Granny, who is not his actual Granny, said she was there in Kenya when he was born, but then she said she wasn’t.

And BO has spent up to $3.2 Million trying to hide the truth and the entire US Government, the state of Hawaii, the UK, Kenya, everyone at FactCheck, PolitiCheck and all the federal judges are all in on the conspiracy (that actually started in 1961) and Bo has an entire squad of brown shirts that intend to send anyone who steps out of line to BO’s secret FEMA concentration camps.

And the fine imposed by Judge Land is really to get money from birthers to help BO pay off his lawyers

And he’s really a British Muslim working with terrorists to take over this country and a Socialist and a Nazi who wants to guarantee abortions for all and death to seniors AND he isn’t even really black!

Does this sum up the basic accusations?

Damn, you people shouldn’t do so many drugs.


captainsteve
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Does Dingle Barry act guilty?

If a driver happens upon a DWI road-stop, a normal honest sober person says sure and shows their license. Very simple. Issue over. But not Barry, he would get twenty attorneys, claim some manner of special privacy privilege, and resist every effort to get him to comply. Why would anybody fight so hard to hide the truth?

Criminals engage in all manner of tricks and evasions to keep the truth from being known. Generally, the more dramatic and energetic the evasion, the more serious the likely crime.

It's pretty obvious which behavior obummer has chosen. He's GUILTY!!!


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 4:11 am

More evidence of Dingle Barry's Kenyan birth.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:13 am

More evidence of Dingle Barry's Kenyan birth.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html

http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/4112008/411…

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

Wake up people! Obummer is nothing but a Usurper-in-Chief, lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, Marxist/Socialist, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, Muslim racist puppet Indonesian Kenyan Chicago thug!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE


captainsteve
Comment posted October 16, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

More proof of a coordinated Obama citizenship/background cover-up, and the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper is part of it.

For days I’ve been posting the following news article where Tammy Duckworth, who claimed to know Obama well (and now on the payroll), says Obama was born in Indonesia.

The article states (14th paragraph),

“Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively.”

The original article and quote can be seen here.

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Duck…

But in the last day or so (Oct 16,2009) the Honolulu Advertiser scrubbed it clean. That quote has been removed. They sanitized article. The new sanitized cover-up version can be seen here.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/…

How is it that our “history” can be so easily re-written? I remember when we used to criticize the USSR for re-writing their history to suit their political desires. We are doing it in America NOW!!

People need to be screaming bloody murder. Write to everybody you know. Let them know we're not going to take this anymore!


captainsteve
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Keyes Barnett transcript now available:

http://bit.ly/3Aq05z


Anteni
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 6:05 am

Wow. It seems that msdaisy, has found many inconsistencies in the birthers argument. Inconsistencies in an argument makes it obvious that no argument exist.

I have heard over 1 million dollars, over hundred of thousand dollars, but not 3.4 million dollars, that the president has spent to defend himself. I don't know where bithers are getting this information from but it doesn't seem to be consistent.

I have heard that the president is inedible because his father Kenyan, his mother married an Indonesia, he was born in Kenya, he was born in Indonesia, his mother was a minor.

I have heard that the president is inedible because Hawaii gives birth certificates to people not born in Hawaii, even though his birth certificate indicates that he was born in Hawaii.

Orly Taitz has argued with Joy Behar that Orly wants Obama to release his original birth certificate, even though what Olry presents is a birth record.

What reasonable people are saying is that based on the evidence presented a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth, that Obama is a naturally born citizen of America. However, they also acknowledge the independent authentication, and confirmation from government officials of the authenticity of the documents. Additional, the two birth announcement do also re-enforce the birth in Hawaii.

That is reasonable people say “We accept that the president's election was constitution and duly certified.” That is it.


Anteni
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:29 am

See people like CaptainSteve just can't handle the truth. Thank you for the references.


Anteni
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 6:37 am

Hmmm. Nice comment.

Sorry, I had to re-read CaptianSteve's comment. Then I had a nice chuckle, when I clearly understood what you were talking about.


MN independent
Comment posted October 18, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

Birthers never let facts get in the way of good delusion.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 6:31 am

Judge Carter has a Spy working for him.

Already sanitized by Wiki..

Good thing AXJ made a copy:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2861


Anteni
Comment posted October 19, 2009 @ 7:40 am

Wow. Who has ever heard of pages on Wiki being edited? Yes, that is the nature of Wikipedia. It allows people to who are knowledgeable about a subject to add information to it. However, there are times that it does get vandalized. However, it is easy to dismiss AXJ's assertion since they have always distorted the truth.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 3, 2010 @ 7:26 am

Liar.

Paul Colford, director of media relations for the Associated Press: “The AP has never reported that President Obama was born in Kenya. In fact, AP news stories about the state of Hawaii have confirmed that he was born there. The Kenyan paper that you cite rewrote a 2004 AP story, adding the phrase ‘Kenyan-born.’ That wording was not in the AP version of the story.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 3, 2010 @ 7:27 am

Sewer, Sewell?

You're a liar. You belong in federal prison for sedition.


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 3, 2010 @ 12:26 pm

Liar.

Paul Colford, director of media relations for the Associated Press: “The AP has never reported that President Obama was born in Kenya. In fact, AP news stories about the state of Hawaii have confirmed that he was born there. The Kenyan paper that you cite rewrote a 2004 AP story, adding the phrase ‘Kenyan-born.’ That wording was not in the AP version of the story.”


Make The Pie Higher
Comment posted February 3, 2010 @ 12:27 pm

Sewer, Sewell?

You're a liar. You belong in federal prison for sedition.


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