Tea Party Protesters Arrive in D.C., Cheer Wilson

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Friday, September 11, 2009 at 12:10 am
An enthusiastic participant at Thursday's Tea Party events (Photo by David Weigel)

An enthusiastic participant at Thursday's Freedom Summit (Photo by David Weigel)

The walk from the subway station to the Freedom Summit was quick, less than two minutes if the attendees didn’t dawdle. Every twenty or so paces, smiling volunteers with FreedomWorks shirts or badges ushered them towards the Armory, a sports arena more often used to host Rollergirl bouts and “American Idol” tryouts. Approaching the entrance, the people who’d trekked from as far away as San Diego and Maui could buy buttons — “Proud to be a Teabagger,” “ACORN is for Squirrels,” and “Quit AARP Now!”–and pick up information packets on how to make the most of what organizers assured them would be part of American history.

Image by: Matt Mahurin

Image by: Matt Mahurin

“Saturday’s going to be an incredible day,” said Dick Armey, the former Republican majority leader who has made a political comeback as the chairman of FreedomWorks. “On Saturday, we all be blessed to be a part of the greatest demonstration of free market, individual liberty devotion on the streets of Washington, D.C. in the history of this country. And we didn’t get here by accident! We came here by special invitation of President Obama and Speaker Nancy Pelosi!”

The hundreds of people who trekked in and out of the rally cheered and stomped their bleachers. The resilient “Tea Party” movement, seven months on from its first protests against the economic stimulus package, was proud of its success. Over three hours, they listened to three current Republican members of Congress, got briefings on cap-and-trade and health care legislation from conservative think tank scholars, and got chances to take the mics themselves — often to launch into several-minute-long rants about the threat of an encroaching government. Occasionally they’d get up to talk to other activists and check out a small table of free Dunkin Donuts sustenance and affordable merchandise — $20 shirts and hats commemorating the weekend, political books by Armey and Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), and T-shirts that read simply “FIRE CONGRESS.”

“Not every member,” said a volunteer for the T-shirt vendor, WeShouldFireCongress.com. “That fellow from South Carolina who spoke up at the president’s speech last night? We don’t want to beat him!”

The much-discussed outburst by Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.), a conservative congressman who shouted “you lie!” from his seat inside the Capitol when President Obama said that his health reform plan would not cover illegal immigrants, had gained instant legendary status with the people inside the armory. At several points in the morning, a loud chant of “liar!” rose up when speakers mentioned the president. One attendee from Florida said that she and her husband saw the “you lie!” moment on Fox News, before they headed in for the event, and cheered him from their hotel room. During one of the Q&A sessions, an Illinois attendee named Frank Dutton reported that Wilson’s Democratic opponent was fundraising off of the event.

“Let’s start a fund for Wilson!” said Dutton. “He was the only guy there on our side who was saying what the heck he wanted to say.”

Not every attendee was filled with such partisan fervor. Barry Bench, an Orlando activist who took a break from filming his own record of the morning by holding a sign reading “ACORN” over the head of a liberal reporter, confessed that he didn’t trust either party.

“The election between Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson in 1912 was when it started going downhill,” said Bench, referring to the rise of the Progressive Movement and the birth of the federal income tax.

Rob Miller, a Richmond, Va., activist stood with Bench where the noise from the Summit’s panels was a little less oppressive, and discussed theories for what had gone wrong in the elections since then.

“Clinton only got elected in 1992 because Ross Perot got back in the race,” said Miller. He attributed Perot’s decision to pressure from the “Dixie mafia, Jimmy Carter’s organization — they ran half the South.” And according to Miller, Barack Obama had only won the 2008 election because of fraud by the community organizing group ACORN.

“You can assume 10 percent of Obama’s votes were fraudulent votes,” said Bench.

During the long, hot August, some Republicans who met crowds like this were drowned by boos. Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), and Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.), got a far warmer reception when they hit on issues that the audience had been learning about online and on Fox News. Shadegg’s declaration that he was reading Glenn Beck’s book “Common Sense” got the biggest applause of his entire presentation — after his speech, he was dogged by a photograph-seeker who held up a sign telling people to “READ G-B.”

Beck’s influence on the crowd was apparent in many of their comments, which reflected attacks and themes from his radio show, TV show, and books. At times, the professional conservative organizers onstage cast bemused looks at the people asking lengthy questions — multiple requests to “keep your questions short” had little effect on activists who often wanted to share their knowledge with the crowd. Annie Rupp, a Hawaii-based activist, compared Obama’s plans for the country to those of Fidel Castro in Cuba, and told attendees to look into the background of FCC adviser Mark Lloyd, “who has called Hugo Chavez’s revolution in Venezuela the incredible revolution.” She took the microphone twice; when she finished, she was swarmed by fans who signed up for her mailing list and heard her weigh forth on issues like Obama’s religion. “I think he might be a Muslim plant,” said Rupp.

Still, it was Inhofe who got the most thankful reception from the crowd. “There’s no greater champion for who we are and what we treasure than Senator Inhofe,” said Armey, introducing him. Once onstage, Inhofe thanked the audience for stirring up the August town halls — “it was the best recess I ever had” — and told them what the president looked like from his vantage point at the joint session of Congress.

“What I observed,” said Inhofe, “was a new sense of arrogance and defiance I’ve never seen before.”

The morning’s events staggered to an end, as some attendees moved out early to hold scheduled meetings with their members of Congress. “If you already have appointments scheduled with your lawmakers, please be on time,” was the recommendation on a sheet of “Lobbying Quick Tips” provided by FreedomWorks. “Remember, 5 minutes early is on time.”

Some activists ran up against a wall when they got their meetings on the Hill. Weeks in advance, Diane Reimer of Philadelphia Tea Party Patriots had set up a meeting with the staff of Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.). On the way in, three of Reimer’s colleagues were tired but punchy, armed with quotes from conservative author and radio host Mark Levin. When they emerged, they were disappointed in what they described as a “smooth” and “knowledgeable” performance from one key staffer of a senator committed to backing a health care bill.

“He answered my questions, I think, as honestly as he could,” said Reimer.

“He was a smooth operator,” said Reimer’s husband Don. “The bottom line is they’re going to pass a bill.”

The energy of the activists picked up as they gained some distance from the congressional offices. On the way out, the Tea Party Patriots spotted a group of ACORN activists and rushed to take a picture of them. Outside, every member of the House Republican leadership gathered for a pep rally that boisterously praised and thanked the several hundred people who showed up to wave signs (“Texans Against Another Government Takeover”). First, a technical failure prevented Dick Armey, Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), and Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) from speaking into microphones that worked.

“We can’t hear you!” shouted some in the crowd.

“Well, then,” said Armey. “Quiet down and listen up!”

The microphones crackled to life in time for Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), the third-ranking member of the Republican conference. “Thank you for taking time from your families, from hearth and home, from enterprises, from children and grandchildren,” Pence said. “The sacrifices you made to be here will not be in vain.” The eventual goal, repeated by other members of Congress, would be a Republican takeover of the House.

Armey left the rally with the current members of Congress, stopping briefly to talk to reporters, spending most of that time arguing with a blogger from ThinkProgress (“I’m not used to talking to juvenile delinquents”) and explaining his own stance on Wilson: If it was unfair for him to shout “liar,” it was unfair for the president to accuse Republicans of “saying boldfaced lies.” As Armey made his way to a chauffered car, an activist named Kim Betz handed him a trinket she’d made — a plastic covering to go over his ears, an “Obama Bullshit Reflector.”

“Oh-ho-ho!” laughed Armey. “Where’d you get this?”

“We made it,” said Betz.

“Where are you from?”

“Florida.”

“Florida!” Armey laughed again. “I knew there was a little bit of Dixie in this!”

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brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:28 am

Ugh, I now have the image of that old man being teabagged stuck in my head.

Damn you, Dave Weigel!


gopfail
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:05 am

Wow, only half a decade too late! After only 8 months of Obama, it's all his fault.


Stereolabb
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:12 am

This people are ignorant moron's. They make me embarassed to be an American. I wish they would all move to Texas and secede already.
Simple white trash lead by cynical, opportunistic politicians.
Disgusting.


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YuvbinDuped
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 9:58 am

More Americans should stand up to this behemoth government! It's time to take America back. END the UNCONSTITUTIONAL income tax! End the Forever Wars the Banksters create to fill their pockets at our expenses. You morons that think these wars make us a great country are brainwashed whackos!

Furthermore End the Federal Reserve and the International Banksters grip on America.

BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION and LIBERTY!


Strangely Enough
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 11:47 am

“conservative think tank scholars”

That’s a good one.


jeninoh
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 11:54 am

In the words of C.J. Cregg, “Wow, are you a moron!”

Well, that and paranoid and delusional. How many non-taxpayer owned streets do you travel on everyday? How many non-taxpayer funded emergency services do you rely on? Who funds the Department of Defense?

And yet you have the audacity, the gall to call the rest of us brainwashed whackos? Sweetheart, repeat that line whilst consulting a mirror.


tommy1982
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

Stand in a mirror and utter those words “brainwashed whackos”….

Let me get this correct..

So you support unconstitutional wars, an income tax that say the government owns this percentage of your time and labour, a monetary system that creates poverty and slavery through debt and funds unconstitutional wars and domestic programs all the while bailing out failed institutions who are to big to fail and don't have to share the risks like every other american in this country!

You are a shinning example of government born and raised.

Did you need someone to type that comment for you?


reid
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

Crazy Glenn Beck, Obama's a secret muslim, ACORN paranoia…. Yes, these people really speak for and engage the majority of Americans. Sheesh.


monkey99
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

!!LOL!!


Don
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Most prominent criminal network in GA's history…

http://www.ssiTheFamily.com


jsmithcsa
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

Government derives its power from the consent of the people.

It's clear these people (and me) no longer consent to what BHO (“you lie!”) and his allies are doing to our country.

However, glamoring the GOP will also lead to failure. They had many years to fix the country, but just dug the hole deeper. The main problem we have, politically, is that we have a choice between two corrupt, liberal parties every other November. The answer lies in scrapping them both!


mantis
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

It's clear these people (and me) no longer consent to what BHO (“you lie!”) and his allies are doing to our country.

So vote them out.

The main problem we have, politically, is that we have a choice between two corrupt, liberal parties every other November. The answer lies in scrapping them both!

So start a third party, or support some nutter party like the Constitution Party, or are they too liberal for you too?


alsuglybaits
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

Wow, who's doing the adolescent name calling? See you socialist Idealists in Washington D.C. tomorrow!


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cazart
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

These people are scared crybabies, plain and simple. If you encounter one, stick a binky in his/her mouth and hand him/her a teddy bear.
Extra points for a diaper change.


Nick
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

Fabulous stuff! The GOP is on its way to utter irrelevance and a 60-40 drubbing in 2012. Absolute cracker dipshits.


mf525
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

Scared? We (normal American's) aren't scared – we're taking the country back from you pinko commies that don't know or care about history; don't want to work; cross foreign borders, get captured, and them want the world and Bill Clinton to save you; complain about the environment, but leave a huge carbon foot print; spit on the constitution; kick the military; complain you can't afford healthcare, but buy your big screened T.V.; and my fav – rally around FREEDOM of SPEECH, but only when it's your kinda bullshit – I mean – speech!

You guys whine – and when you aren't whinning – your buddy ACORN and you are bringing a dozen 13 year old, central american prostitutes across the boarder and getting a tax write off for it! Oh yeah – liberals are awesome – for a joke!

Get a grip people – we're just giving you back some of the hippie shit that's been plagueing the country for the past 40 years – demonstrations, heckling – and loving every minute of it!

Time to put on your big girl and boy panties and champion a little personal responsibility.

Go Wilson! Go Beck!


reid
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:11 am

You are far from a normal American, thank god. Just because people warily nod and back away when you're yelling at them doesn't mean they agree with you.


Pug
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:27 am

You need to go back and see how successful guys like Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman were in helping win elections with their fevered rhetoric and theatrics because today you are them. They could put a hell of a lot more people on the street than you losers, too.

Here's a sad fact for you Teabaggers: The electorate in 2012 will consist of about 60% white people and 40% minorities. If the minorities vote 85% for the Democrat, and they will, you need to win the white vote 70%-30%. Good luck with that. Just drives you nuts, doesn't it?


plankbob
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:29 am

How dare people complain about the environment!?
Armey is about as pigheaded as you get.


Pug
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:32 am

You could start by gettting that ancient Teabagger in the photo above off of Medicare and Social Security. Then, get all those Republican farmers in the red states off endless farm subsidies. Then get rid of all those Republican war profiteers.

That would be a good start.


Pug
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:39 am

“Oh-ho-ho!” laughed Armey. “Where’d you get this?”
“We made it,” said Betz.

“Where are you from?”

“Florida.”

“Florida!” Armey laughed again. “I knew there was a little bit of Dixie in this!”

No, Dick, there isn't a little bit of Dixie in this, there is a whole lot of Dixie in it, and in your Republican party. You don't seem to realize it, but that a huge problem for you.


plankbob
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 1:01 am

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a right-wing group that filed an amicus brief supporting Rush Limbaugh in his fight to keep his medical records private amid charges of doctor-shopping to obtain pain medication, was present with a booth at the FreedomWorks rally on Capitol Hill today. AAPS is sponsoring another event this afternoon with Republican leaders, including Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) and Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA). ThinkProgress caught up with an AAPS staffer, who explained that the group not only opposes health reform, but also supports privatizing Medicare:

Q: So you prefer a privatization of Medicare?

AAPS: Of Medicare? [...] Yes. We don’t think it’s very efficient at all.

Better warn the clueless senior citizen in that photo his Medicare is close to the edge of privatization.


hubman
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 1:07 am

Thank heavens the opposition in this country is largely the stupid and the crazy; I am sure the president will pull close to 60% in 2012 with this kind of gop effort


LastTrueLiberal
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 1:09 am

Elections really suck, don't they. Why do you crazy Beckmaniacs hate America so much?


Patrick
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 2:26 am

Can you say “losers”? Beck followers are lunatics like him.


jeffreydj
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 2:35 am

All the article mentions is “hundreds”. The more motivated of the crew talk about the really big turnout tomorrow, but it would warm this liberal heart if they haven't enough teabaggers appear to so much as circle the Jefferson Memorial. Of course, the capital cops years ago learned not to announce their crowd-size estimates. Perhaps a Mall-sized photograph could be arranged?

Our side has put some million-foot mobs in the Mall in recent years – let us see what the wingnuts can bring out. After all, they've got Glenn Beck doing the recruiting. Maybe if they top a few thousand bodies, he can get Proctor & Gamble to advertise on his show again.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 2:58 am

Wingnut, huh…how original. You're slick dismissive writing just has me paralyzed…with laughter….


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Stupid and crazy…haha…I think that's an accurate self-assessment. I guess sinking poll numbers are just some evil Zogby or Rasmussen intrigue…


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:08 am

Pigheaded…at least you spelled it right…

Van Jones waxing philosophic…

“One of the things that has happened too often to progressives is that we don’t understand the relationship between minimum goals and maximum goals. Right after Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat, if the civil rights leaders had jumped out and said okay, now we want reparation for slavery, we want redistribution of all wealth, and we want to legalize mixed marriages, that — they come out with a maximum program the very next day, they would have been laughed at.

Instead they came out with a very minimum program. You know, we just want to integrate these buses. The students a few years later came out with a very minimum program: We just want to sit at the lunch counter. But, inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel that eventually meant from 1964 to 1968 – you know – complete revolution was on the table for this country and I think that this green movement has to pursue those same steps and stages.

Right now, we’re saying we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to some kind of eco-capitalism, we’re, you know, at least we’re not fast-tracking destruction of the whole planet. Will that be enough? No it won’t be enough.

We want to go beyond systems of exploitations and oppression all together. But that’s a process, and I think what’s great about the movement that is beginning to emerge is that the crisis is so severe in terms of joblessness, violence and now ecological threats, that people are willing to be both very pragmatic and very visionary. And – So the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.”

Van Jones, Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality (Czar)

April 2008 Radio Uprising

Marxist theory points to the entire capitalist class as an exploitative entity, and to capitalism as a system based on exploitation. So by referencing capitalism by way of a Marxist reference and expressing the desire to go beyond that and link all the green policy as the engine to transform the whole society (to communism), Van does us all a favor.

Thanks Van.

Insomuch it pretty much says all environmentalists are working for the communist movement, either knowingly or unknowingly. That would probably embody the entire progressive movement.

So why do we have an avowed enemy of capitalism and to the American philosophy as an advisor to the President? Why is a senior advisor to Obama claiming they know all about this guy at NetRoots August 2009 conference and have watched him since his time in Oakland? Sounds like she's in pretty deep with this guy and his philosophy.

Since Van connected the dots and doesn't leave it to conjecture. Green equals communism. Socialism is only a stopping point. Green is the engine for the transformation. That transformation is Marxism.

Of course, they are his own words taken in context.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:11 am

Your comment is deluded and full of irrelevance.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:26 am

Glad you mentioned that because the majority of minorities are conservative in the opinions and are waking up to the fact that the Democratic party are not representing them. They are waking up to the fact that abortion policy is decimating the black population. Besides there are plenty of independents that are fleeing in droves away from Obama because they realize he's not what he held himself out to be.

Oh, your hippie posturing is pretty funny. Ol' Bob got himself arrested lately…probably rummaging around in your neighborhood.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Don't forget wee-weed up and bed wetting

Lately the insults keep coming….Robert Gibbs, the Whitehouse spokes-adolescent says “wee-weed up” means “bed wetting.” That should help turn all those States turn Republican.

They're eeeeevvvilll. They're a mob, they're un-American, they're NAZIs, and…and…and they're bedwetters, too…aaaaggghhh…

Binky…lol…I think you're binky finds it's way to all sort of places it shouldn't.


Pug
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Delusional much?


Pug
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:43 am

Ol' Bob is retired with more money than you could ever dream of.


Wolfgang70
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:03 am

yeah, us wing nuts have to consider what you lefties don't: Missing out on work and family. lmao!


Parksandwrecks
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:03 am

mf525–
can I call you m?

do I have to wear big boy and big girl panties or can I choose one or the other.

ps and re: 13 year old prostitutes. What the he77 are you talking about.?


gijoejoe
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:37 am

Found a picture of YuvbenDuped warming up for the big event!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3326/3474445546_…


7324834
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:04 am

So – what, is this going to be a collection of the hardest of the hardrightwingnuts in the country? I hope somebody does interviews. Specifically, ferret out their conspiracy theories. Things like, do they think that they moon landing was faked? Is the sun really only 30 miles from the earth (what the Flat Earth Society believes). What are their views about martians and UFOs, creationism and evolution. What do they think of efforts to protect the environment and all species on it? If they are against it how does that jive with their belief that the earth is God's chief creation? Etc. etc. things like that.

These people are awash in fear and superstition.


spendergraft
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:08 am

ONE WILL BE FINED FOR NOT BUYING HEALTH INS, SO THEY ?GO TO COURT? A COURT SYSTEM OVERFLOWING? THEY STILL DON'T HAVE $ TO BUY US GOV'T RUN HEALTHCARE, SO THE JUDGE TELLS THEM TO GO TO JAIL? OVERCROWDED JAIL? WHERE SOME INNOCENT YOUNG PERSON MIGHT GET RAPED OR BEAT UP AND NEED THE VERY HEALTH CARE HE/SHE COULDN'T AFFORD IN THE FIRST PLACE! WHY WOULD ANY EMPLOYER CONTINUE PAYING ON EMPLOYEE'S HEALTH INSUR, WHEN OUR FEDS WILL TAKE CARE OF IT, WITH TAXPAYER FUNDS. MEDICARE IS EXPECTED TO GO BROKE IN 2017, SHOULDN'T ANYONE WITH ANY INTELLIGENCE FIX WHAT IS BROKEN, BEFORE INSTITUTING SOMETHING ELSE??? LINE 140 OF THIS BILL STATES THAT THE GOV'T WILL HAVE ACCESS TO OUR BANK ACCTS, FOLKS!!!


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kern Re
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:06 pm

They are simply one thing –

Bat Sh*t Crazy wingers who wake up in the morning turn on the Tee Vee and say “Hey! There's a Black guy in the White House! Who let that happen?”


SpacelySpaceSprockets
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:15 pm

What?!! Oh, hahaha, that is rich. The Right continues to marginalize all minorities with crazy, xenophobic rants like that petulant child, Joe Wilson. They may be conservative in nature, but you morons publicly punch them in the face over and over with your rediculous, tea-bagging, march of the bigoted imbeciles. You think you have a movement but it is more of the bowel variety than anything else.


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ronSAG
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

THOUSANDS OF CITIZENS RALLY. WHERE IS CBS, NBC, ABC, THE WASHINGON POST, THE NEW YORK TIMES, CNN?


Jordan
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

Republicans like Armey, Pawlenty, Wilson, etc love to play to the “de-based” wing of the party. The old fool in the picture would be out begging on the streets if it were not for so called “socialized medicine”, “Social Security” and the “Veterans Administration”. Ignorance is bliss for some of these folks.


monkey99
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

spendergraft,

You need to get your news from more than one source. You “people” keep trying to scare. It just won't work anymore. You've acted like asylum inmates for so long, no one with a working brain is willing to listen to your noise.

ronSAG,

30,000? That's still only a drop in the bucket. You are in the minority, get used to it. The limited media coverage bespeaks the weakness of your so-called “movement”.

The country is not being usurped. You are the seditionists. Insurrectionists. Traitors. The Constitution has not been violated. If anything, you “people” are trying to subvert it. Stop waving it around. None of you have any understanding of what the document REALLY says. If you did, you wouldn't still be trying to hawk your nonsense.


toptwome
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

Great! a bunch of wealthy republican white racists who don't want to pay their appropriate taxes or any taxes and are birthers, haters, Fox News lovers, disgusting vermin and represent the evil that republicans celebrate. They are rabidly against President Obama cleaning up the mess Bush and republicans made of our government. They want Obama to fail so they can sail back into power and continue to corrupt and spend. These are the fear mongers, liar mongers and just plain idiots who have no clue the corrupt republicans behind all this.


Dandee
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Power to the people. If the minority quits working and paying for your “stuff” , then you supposed majority supporters will have to get your money from where…Acorn? Hopefully theirs will be getting cut off soon as their illegal subversive ways are coming to light. It's always nice to see the name calling because it verifies the left is still full of a bunch of unhappy whiners even though they have all the power.


dirk
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

i'm a conservative at the 9/12 rally and have just been teabagged by an insurance company lobbyist to thank me for supporting his CEO's $300 million compensation. this rally is great–i can't wait till tonight: the teabaggin' has just begun!


Dandee
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Most of the people in here don't even know Acorn's been busted for helping to set up an underage prostitution ring. And then another Acorn office says you can write off your condoms and boots as a business expense. LOL We'll see if the 2010 Government Census group has really fired Acorn or if they are just saying that to get the pressure off their insidious ways! Talk about a waste of money. Even the dems are talking about hearings into how they spend taxpayer money.


TMBo
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Exactly!. It's called the “southern strategy” from which the Republicans have garnered support for decades. Ever since Johnson signed the voting rights act. Its a simple strategy really… all you need to do is fan the flame of ignorance, fear and bigotry, which there seems to be an abundance of in Dixie. There is a reason why the neo-cons fight any legislature that promotes education reform or funding. An enlightened, educated constituency is not as easy manipulated. and now they have guns!


TMBo
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

You need to see a therapist. This drivel is certifiably off the charts. It's alright, daddy won't hit you anymore and mommy won't lock you in the closet.


Post Toastie
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

I bet a crowd of over 3000 clueless have swarmed Washington. Oh the thrill! Bigger crowds at flea markets across the US!


cr8f
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

They applaud a liar?


cr8f
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

Thats bullshit. Typical lies about Acorn.


LVC
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

do some research before you say that its all lies…

http://biggovernment.com/author/jokeefe/


Lavant
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

Tea baggers' legitimate issues aside, it would be better to dump Dick Armey into Boston Harbor than to allow him to prevent health care reform.

The number of people in this country who cannot afford to go to a doctor has been growing by leaps and bounds. When they get a contagious disease, they can spread it to several people, who then can spread it to several other people before health authorities find out about it. People who cannot afford to see a doctor frequently work for people who “can” afford to see a doctor – sometimes “even in the homes,” and sometimes “with the children” of families who can afford to see a doctor.

No doctor, drug, or hospital has a one hundred percent cure rate, especially when the disease is caused by a superbug. The only sure way to survive superbug diseases is to never get them. The same is true of other potentially deadly contagious diseases. The bell that tolls for the bottom crust tolls as well for the middle crust and the upper crust. Hence, it is “dumbest” for “anyone” in this country to try to prevent healthcare reform (of whatever brand) which would make it possible for any American who has a contagious disease to see a doctor before they expose others. Dick Armey is sick, sick, sick.


cr8f
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

I do all the time.


cr8f
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

I did. You cherry pick and distort. A couple Acorn workers are not the whole organization and they didn't set up a prostitution ring, they gave advice on how to evade taxes and the law.

Huge difference. If I hire someone who breaks the law my company can't be accused or doing same without evidence.

There is not any.


monkey99
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Dandee,

How about the all those who died at the hands of your precious healthcare insurance industry? Another mental defective here even applauds the ridiculous bonus some exec boasted to him about. Is he for real? You “people” get nothing from the healthcare insurance industry. You further their cause, and they're the ones victimizing YOU too. Idiots.

Yah, that so-called march is a bust, no matter what you say. Faux news is the only place you'll find legitimization for your nonsense!

We're in the majority. seems YOU can't handle it. You keep coming back hawking your ridiculousness over and over. You are in an indefensible position. Real Americans have been trying to get you in the fold, but you continue to refuse to see reason, so, I find, as well as others, that there is no reason to be civil. You poor little petulant babies can't handle the FACT that positive change has come. Well, we aren't going anywhere for a while, so suck it up! Dry your eyes and go back to the caves you crawled out of. THE FUTURE IS NOW!


Katharine
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Oh, look! McCarthyists acting like 12-year-olds!


Jeanna
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

The gathering in Minnesota for Obama today makes the tea party in Washington look like a backyard little girl tea party. The careful setting of the cameras in our capital does not hide the obvious, the tea party express is not the huge thing Fox tried to make it.
I think this whole take our government back thing is just so much more health insurance corporation BS. It does bewilder me though, that so many people are more than just quick to jump up and display their compassionless nature, they wear it like a badge of honor.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 12:20 am

When President Obama took office he rightly pointed out that the Bush administration had set record annual deficits. But then he almost immediatly doubled it. If deficits are so important to the stability of our nation. Why would he do that? I’ve heard over and over that we had no choice because of the economy. But then we find out that only a small % of the stimulus money is being spent in 09. So much for a sense of urgency. Isn’t it reasonable to question what is really going on here? I’m not bashing the President, I’m just searching for some common sense answers. And instead of silly and unproductive name calling, is there anyone out there interested in a civil conversation? And a thoughtful response.


Jeanna
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

“And according to Miller, Barack Obama had only won the 2008 election because of fraud by the community organizing group ACORN.
“You can assume 10 percent of Obama’s votes were fraudulent votes,” said Bench.”

Tell that to the crowd in Minnesota. Mr. Miller, your days as a politician are numbered. Hope you can't find a job that offers good insurance when you are booted out. Then you would know what the people are really dealing with.


Jvan
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

The D.C. police estimate is 1.2 million. If more than half of your income was being taken to pay for other people's problems and senator's pet projects, you would be angry too. I think that most of my fellow conservatives have an extremely good understanding of the constitution. If us 5% stop paying taxes altogether, the rest of you would be in a world of hurt. We're not heartless people. We are generous people and most of us give a much larger percentage to charity than any liberals because they believe the government should take care of people instead of our neighbors and family.


Jeanna
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

The police estimate was a guesstimate from yesterday for making preparations on the actual event. The actual turnout is not even close to that.
The myth of the charitable millionaire is just that, a myth. I do book keeping, and I know about the charities the wealthy donate to, mostly just stuff that incourages more business and nothing for the employees that earn the money for their bosses.


Professor Rick Miller
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

I can only laugh at these self proclaimed tea party patriots. This is simply another right wing agenda to try put Republican politicians back in a favorable light after confidence in them plummeted from the Bush admistrations' many failures. Do you really think these same people would be out there if it was John McCain pushing for national health care? Not likely. Further, tea party protesters, were you protesting at the White House when Bush was throwing away billions of your tax dollars on a senseless war (which never should have happened and is still going on by the way)? Again, I think not. So ponder this thought, isn't it much more important for a country to provide health care for the millions of its citizens who don't have it, than on wars that benefit no one except perhaps those involved with the oil industry?


Patrick
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

The bottom line between Conservatives and Liberals is this:

What a Conservative considers radical is not radical to a Liberal and vice versa.

Conservatives are anti inclusion and Liberals are pro inclusion.

Conservatives are bitter sore losers and from day one of the Obama administration have been trying to make it fail and show total disrespect to the office of the President.

Liberals lost the previous 8 years to Bush, protested him, and respected the office of the President but waited it out and got smart and took the power back with a smart election.

Conservatives are uptight and don't know how to enjoy life>>>they are stuck on forcing their agenda on others.

Liberals have fun and are open to a different point of view. After all, this is America where we are supposed to agree to disagree!

Most Conservatives are older White folk and Liberals are a blended group of people.

Conservatives play their religion to the political agenda too much and Liberals know that there is supposed to be a separation of religion from government.

Basically, Conservatives are bad losers and hell bent on destroying whoever beats them and Liberals are smart and develop a way to honestly win elections!

The Conservative movement is dying and the Liberal movement is gathering strength due to the younger people being more open minded and not buying into non-inclusive mentality.


tyleranastasi
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

makes me sick to read some of these. I was at the event today. Even conservatively estimating, it was not “tens of thousands” had to AT least be hundreds of thousands. Now, I'm not going to claim 2 million like Michelle Malkin said, but I really do believe it was around 1 million. You had to be there to really understand. Seeing the people fill the entire captial lawn, the national mall and penn avenue. This was not 30,000 people. Thats seriously lauguable. You need to just do a LITTLE reasearch before publishing these numbers. I can't believ eit.


sheetpan
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 12:24 am

It's the endless spending stupid


Jeanna
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 1:19 am

Dingbat, if there had been that many people, no one would have been able to move around like they were. It looked more like a giant flea market. You must have octriple vision. It would have literally shut Washington down if that many people were there.


JoeBlewMe
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 6:32 am

Truth stings, doesn’t it? Of course, nobody at the meeting was parroting Glenn Beck or anything.

OK, now go back to calling people “communists” and “Nazis”, nevermind the historical ignorance required to merge the two together.


dolife
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 1:53 am

monkey 99
you proclaim “we're (i assume you mean democrats) in the majority”. so why didn't the initial 1000+ pages health care reform bill get passed by Congress back in early August? since you are in the majority?
The reason is no 1000+ page health care reform bill, that most representatives in Congress had NOT read nor debated, should be signed into legislation within a matter of a few days and “we the people” spoke out about it. I would say this tea party march was a message that people want to get “into the fold” and be heard because their representatives are not doing the job they were voted in to do.


SpacelySpaceSprockets
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 2:03 am

Wow!!! Whole thousands? Really? Oooooh, thousands of dumb, angry rednecks take to the streets to do what, exactly? There are roughly 304,000,000 people that live in these United States. If you had 50,000 at this thing ( and that's being generous) that means you represented roughly .016% of the population. Big friggen deal.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 7:07 am

If referencing actual documents, please place links in your shouting type.


WordSmith
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 2:07 am

I'm sorry – wasn't Fox News there? The Washington Times?


WordSmith
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 2:17 am

The thing that I find overwhelmingly striking is the incredible lack of intelligence with many of these folks. Jim Inhofe HAS to be one of the DUMBEST f*cks ever. I've watched this guy on the Senate floor and on committees while watching CSPAN or online.


Dandee
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 3:44 am

You protesteth too much. Nothing is free. Obamacare will be worth what you pay for it. Nothing, except long lines and paperwork like the DMV. At least if I don't like my insurance co. I can change it or sue them – but frankly they've done a good job for me and my fam. You're too stupid to realize the post was a fraud made to further your out of touch fantasies about how business works. Funny thing the supposed majority is having second thoughts. Let me know how that hope and change is going in a couple of years when more people will be out of work and Obamacare doesn't kick in til 2013…LOL. Glad to see Acorn is out of the Census business.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 4:56 am

What are you trying to convince yourself you're not deluded. True to form you get everything backwards. Modern liberals are modern fascists that hate everything traditional…even classic liberalism. The idea of liberty and freedom become subverient to the state in their preferred governmental structures.

Here's one of your “inclusionist” socialist hacks:

“One of the things that has happened too often to progressives is that we don’t understand the relationship between minimum goals and maximum goals. Right after Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat, if the civil rights leaders had jumped out and said okay, now we want reparation for slavery, we want redistribution of all wealth, and we want to legalize mixed marriages, that — they come out with a maximum program the very next day, they would have been laughed at.

Instead they came out with a very minimum program. You know, we just want to integrate these buses. The students a few years later came out with a very minimum program: We just want to sit at the lunch counter. But, inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel that eventually meant from 1964 to 1968 – you know – complete revolution was on the table for this country and I think that this green movement has to pursue those same steps and stages.

Right now, we’re saying we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to some kind of eco-capitalism, we’re, you know, at least we’re not fast-tracking destruction of the whole planet. Will that be enough? No it won’t be enough.

We want to go beyond systems of exploitations and oppression all together. But that’s a process, and I think what’s great about the movement that is beginning to emerge is that the crisis is so severe in terms of joblessness, violence and now ecological threats, that people are willing to be both very pragmatic and very visionary. And – So the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.”

Van Jones, Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality (Czar)

April 2008 Radio Uprising

Marxist theory points to the entire capitalist class as an exploitative entity, and to capitalism as a system based on exploitation. So by referencing capitalism by way of a Marxist reference and expressing the desire to go beyond that and link all the green policy as the engine to transform the whole society (to communism), Van does us all a favor.

Thanks Van.

Insomuch it pretty much says all environmentalists are working for the communist movement, either knowingly or unknowingly. That would probably embody the entire progressive movement.

So why do we have an avowed enemy of capitalism and to the American philosophy as an advisor to the President? Why is a senior advisor to Obama claiming they know all about this guy at NetRoots August 2009 conference and have watched him since his time in Oakland? Sounds like she's in pretty deep with this guy and his philosophy.

So we have people using Marxists phrases pregnant with all the prejudice of Marxian distaste for capitalism setting policy as an advisor “so the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.”

Did we ask for revolution? That's what transforming society is.

That's right, he said it. “…complete revolution was on the table for this country…inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel…” Is that what we have been doing all this time?

Is that what Obama meant when he said we are five days away from fundamentally changing the United State of America?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cqN4NIEtOY

Let's take a look at the Marxist viewpoint…

“Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.”

Critique of the Gotha Programme, May 1875

Is that the reason Obama wants to nationalize health care, automobile industry, banks, tax private radio the equivalent of 100 percent of their operating budget, etc?

I don't recall the political campaign being about revolution in America and destroying capitalism, destroying private property…

Where are our Senators, Congressman, and Judges? Do they agree with this? Are they in their position to help this revolution? Are they waking from their naps? Let's say they had no idea…well, what about now? Let's say we stick a post-it on top of their sandwich at lunch and say, “Hey, by the way…do you know…”

What then? Can we get a show of hands just who in elected office agrees with this? We can stop all the fancy footwork and ask the simple question since Van has connected the dots. Green equals communism. Oh and by the way, that probably means a bumpy ride getting there with a post-whatever-this-is “revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.”

Of course, this probably doesn't mean anything to you because your comments only traffic in the superficial. So when you blithely say “What a Conservative considers radical is not radical to a Liberal and vice versa.” You can't even tell that what you call “not radical” to the liberal is nothing short of completely radical.

Phrases like “transform the whole society” and “complete revolution was on the table for this country” I'm sure is nothing more than a slight hyperbole to you, but the policy you idiots endorse are highly transformative….


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:06 am

If your a professor, then I'm the new Green Jobs Czar….

If John McCain made the same proposal the reaction would be the same…if not more so. Of course you forget (conveniently) the reaction caused by McCain with illegal immigration reform. Frankly, he's completely distrusted by the right, so much so that I predict a serious primary fight in the next election.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:07 am

The best crowd money can buy….more ads on Ebay, mobilized SEIU and you cleared out the soup kitchens….


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:10 am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…you're stupid…there's just nothing else to say….it's more like “Typical Acorn”


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:11 am

Do you think this is what Obama meant when he said it's time to stand up and fight for a better economic future?

Maybe this was the level of advice that he received from Tony Rezko when Obama was looking for real estate?

Maybe this is part of the training that Obama created for Acorn?

So the video's showed them helping to:

Organizing prostitution.

Commit Bank fraud.

Encourage Immigration violations.

Impairing the welfare of a minors.

Filing false documents.

Bring minor across state lines for immoral purposes.

The list goes on…what a great group. And how many billions are they getting?

How soon are the elections? I'd like to vote again tomorrow….


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:12 am

What, crack?


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:16 am

Now it's just embarrassing. It looks like the liberal Democrats have angered everyone even their kook base. It's a sad spectacle of lies, outrage, and idiotic arguments.

You can tell Obama never ran anything serious.

A pain pill for grandma instead of surgery.

Inflated tires will save us billions.

He was going to be the most transparent administration….but he attempts to hide everything…

Czars everywhere…with no transparency or accountability…

It goes on and on….and it's only been 7 months and this incompetent has turned everything upside down. They act like nobody is watching. It's just blatant, foolish, arrogant and defiant.

Now he wants bash us with the bible. These guys will use ANY prop. The costume changes are so rapid that all sincerity just drains away and now he's getting his costumes crossed up.

Their credibility is shot.

The stench is rising.

Now we are just waiting to see if they are going to commit political suicide because the echo chamber clanging away in their head leads them to believe everyone will love them for ramming public option healthcare through.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:20 am

Ooooh you're sooo smart. Did you get that one from the Countdown with Keith Olbermann? Here's something from Democracy in America….you'll probably recognize yourself…

“After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.”

- Alexis de Tocqueville


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:23 am

I guess that's the reason Obama's doing so well in the polls…I'm just dying to see if they try to jam the bill through the conference committee in a few weeks and try to pass it using reconciliation by the budgetary deadline….then the DEMs are dead meat in 2010. You have 19 Senators up for reelection. Good luck, you idiots…


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:24 am

You're projecting….you really shouldn't stop taking your meds.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:26 am

Pathetic…what's it like living in the echo chamber..? Batshit, wingnut…can't you come up with your own slurs.


AustrianSchool
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:41 am

You can say that about most of the people in congress.


AustrianSchool
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:45 am

They were upset when Bush wasted hundreds of billions, and they're hopping mad that Obama is wasting trillions.


AustrianSchool
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:48 am

Populism only helps people in the short run, that's the really sick thing about it.

I bet you feed the squirrels in the national parks.


AustrianSchool
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:53 am

But you have to look at why people can't afford it, and it comes back to the exact same organization now trying to step in an control even more of it. Frankly its immoral to make it illegal to purchase the medical goods and services that I can afford. Why can't I purchase my medications from the same country my job has been outsourced to? Why is it legal for them to outsource the production, but illegal for me to outsource my pharmacy?


AustrianSchool
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:55 am

You're probably right, but they're still way misguided.


AustrianSchool
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:58 am

Most of the hate seems to be coming from posters like you. Why don't you go out to one of these gathering and talk to some people? You'll find people of all backgrounds participating. What can I say, freedom and liberty are popular ideas.


AustrianSchool
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 6:01 am

He'd be out in the street begging if the government had taken a huge portion of his income for his entire productive life, and then never gave him any of it back. Otherwise he'd be just fine.


AustrianSchool
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 6:04 am

Can I get the government to mandate that people buy the product I sell under threat of law? How much will that cost me?

Mussolini would be proud.


Matt
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 6:29 am

The picture is classic – yet another retired veteran (on VA benefits) against government health care. Fucking idiots.


dls4
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 7:05 am

Replace “government” with “corporate kleptocracy” and I think you might be on to something.


Tea party protesters arrive in D.C., Cheer Wilson | Gadget Look
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[...] The walk from the subway station to the Freedom Summit was quick, less than two minutes if the attendees didn’t dawdle. Every twenty or so paces, smiling volunteers with FreedomWorks shirts or badges ushered them towards the Armory, a sports arena more often used to host Rollergirl bouts and “American Idol” tryouts. Approaching the entrance, the people who’d trekked from as far away as San Diego and Maui could buy buttons — “Proud to be a Teabagger,” “ACORN is for Squirrels,” and “Quit AARP Now!”–and pick up information packets on how to make the most of what organizers assured them would be part of American history.<Read more at http://washingtonindependent.com/58591/tea-party-protesters-arrive-in-d-c-cheer-wilson [...]


rascalofearth
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

The crowd estimates by the teabaggers are a joke. in ft worth the guy claimed 20,000….when the camera panned back it look like 300


Jeanna
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

A group of concerned citizens joined together to look like a massive movement to help save our country. More like a conglomeration of the Brotherhood of the Aryan Race, Brotherhood of the Conferderate States, a lot of underpaid, undereducated workers who parrot what their employers tell them, a bunch of people that will go to a party no matter who throws it and then maybe some real activists that fear change. I'd say the raly was more about hating a black president disquised as a ligitimate movement than anything else. The 15000 at Obama's speech in Minnesota was a more representive example of our nation than those at the raly in Washington.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

They couldn't be bothered they had to go to the Saul Alinsky training sessions. Of course most of them are going out of business….oh yea….it's the internet that's hurting them, yea right….how about the fact they're just a bunch of ivy league socialist crackpots spewing their “we are the world, let's be like Eurpore” boorish mentality. Maybe the fact they clamor for the ascendency of the central state. That's offending everybody but a bunch socialist idiots.


monkey99
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

dolife,

To answer the first part: Republican obstructionism. I dunno, takes me two days to read 1,000 pages.The Repubs had since August to read that bill. No amount of excuses can justify “we don't know what's in this bill”. Unless they don't possess the intelligence to comprehend what in essense is written in 7th grade english. I would rather not believe it was the latter, as they ARE our representatives. Which leads me to the first point.

joeblow1113,

You have to stop watching JUST faux news. Glenn Beck is riling you up to support HIS OWN personal vendetta against what HE believes to be “tyranny”. Remember, he's spouting HIS belief. Yes, it's just a personal vendetta. Between he and Van Jones. He dresses it up to seem like he's railing against something really heinous. If it was as bad as he purports, I, and many, many of my friends and neighbors would gladly join you in protest, but that just is NOT the case. THAT'S why we do not side with your complaints.

Unlike what Beck says, we are NOT willing to throw out the Constitution in favor of a new one. Nor are we changing society into a “1984″ style “oligarchy” (see, I managed to get the “c” in there, something Beck conveniently forgot). The scope of something that large is so huge, I think even you must agree that we would have to register quite a few points as a society, lower in intelligence to allow that to happen.

Glenn Beck is rousing the basest instincts in humanity, right now. This is not healthy for this nation. The Dems have repeatedly asked the GOP to come to the table and hammer out this legislation. They refused. Time and time again. This is NOT the way things are done. It is apparent by now, who they are protecting. GOP and DEM alike. The healthcare insurance industry. No one elected THEM, yet they have the power to kill our people without the courtesy of allowing those who are dying to see the face of that who killed them. THEY have suborned the political process in this country, and you are supporting THEM, by supporting rabble-rousers like Glenn Beck.


marktaylor
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

I don't get why everybody is painting these people as racist. I'm black, down here in Athens, Georgia we sent a group of people (mostly black, because that seems to make a great deal of difference to some people) up there to the protest because we quite simply do not believe in what the president and Congress are doing, and we don't like how they are doing it. We're willing to be vocal about that, and we're tired of being ignored. Where's the problem with that? Are you saying we have no compassion because we don't want to see all health care run the way the VA hospitals are run (and if you have ever had to go to a VA hospital for treatment, that experience alone would turn you off the government running anything bigger than a fish fry)? Are you saying that we are selfish because we have worked very hard for what we have and do not want to see it seized and squandered by well-meaning but clueless politicians who think they know what is best for us from hundreds of miles away?

I guess I'm one of the dumb, stupid, uninformed racist mob, then. Because I want less government, not more. I had a guy at a local bar tell me that I should be thankful for what Barack Obama and this congress are trying to accomplish because I would probably benefit from it a great deal, because I'm black. That's the attitude that offends me more than anything else, I think… in the first place, that because I stand to benefit from legislation that I personally find to be unjust, immoral, and unworkable, that I should just shut up and let it pass. Aside from the fact that I haven't asked for any help (even though this young white man seemed to assume I did based on the color of my skin), and I certainly don't need any help from the government, nor am I willing to pay higher taxes I can't afford to get the help I don't need from the people I don't want it from, nor am I willing to encourage the government to take from somebody else to finance something I don't want, even if I needed whatever it was, I still wouldn't have the government take it from somebody else to give it to me, because it is not right. Racism? How about the smug, self-serving way that Democrats treat us — have always treated us — as children who are incapable of taking care of ourselves, as mindless sheep who need to be guided and prodded towards the “correct” conclusions?

Don't make the mistake of calling everybody out there racists. Sure, there probably were a few who would fit that definition — but the wide majority of the people who were out there were out there for good reasons. They, like me, are angry, motivated, and fed up with government arrogance.


shstl
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

Bravo teabaggers. You marched on Washington. Good for you. That still doesn't mean that your cause – which is essentially to replace Obama with someone more like you – is attracting anyone beyond the people who voted against Obama to begin with. What you've got is a “sore loser” movement, plain and simple….a giant crybaby fest promoted by corporate bullies who hate not getting their way and cheered on by pundits who benefit from you dummies embracing their every word.

Your march on Washington wasn't a victory for freedom or democracy or any of that nonsense. It was a victory for every corporate interest that benefits from you sheep not thinking for yourselves. Somebody does need to march on Washington, but not to whine about a black guy in the White House. The REAL issue we all face is the corruption of our political system by those with money. If you teabaggers would bother to turn off FoxNews for five minutes and actually do some research of your own, you'd know that. Until then, please know that most of the nation is laughing at you.


marktaylor
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

I think the comment below pretty well illustrates my point.

Why didn't Thomas Sowell run for president? Then all this could have been avoided.


drummerman11
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

Enough of the black president talk.Don't you idiots know that it toomk over 40 percent of the dreaded “white” vote to elect obama? he (obama) better hope he can keep at least 30 percent of this “racist white vote” or his presidency is finished


Patrick
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

The racism talk is NOT about those that voted for Obama. It is about those that did not. These “teabaggers” and anti-Obama white folks are simply angry that they have a mixed (black & white) leader. They can't handle it and don't have their ears open to anything he says or does. They are following the likes of Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, etc. These are hard core right wing people who are bitter losers of the last election. When one can acknowledge their racism and deal with it, it might start to go away. But, the truth is that America is a very racist nation.


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joeblow1113
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

“we are NOT willing to throw out the Constitution”….oh yeah, we believe you. You got a problem with freedom of assembly, filing grievances, free speech…apparently gross errors in separation of powers, federalism, courts working beyond their boundaries effecting both legislative and policy errors are unseen by you.

“repeatedly asked the GOP to come to the table and hammer out this legislation”…is it kool-aid time…really. I read the legislation OpenCongress is very helpful.

And Van Jones…you apprently are blind. Here's what you said.

“He dresses it up to seem like he's railing against something really heinous. If it was as bad as he purports, I, and many, many of my friends and neighbors would gladly join you in protest, but that just is NOT the case. THAT'S why we do not side with your complaints.”

Here is something Van Jones has said, in context.

“One of the things that has happened too often to progressives is that we don’t understand the relationship between minimum goals and maximum goals. Right after Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat, if the civil rights leaders had jumped out and said okay, now we want reparation for slavery, we want redistribution of all wealth, and we want to legalize mixed marriages, that — they come out with a maximum program the very next day, they would have been laughed at.

Instead they came out with a very minimum program. You know, we just want to integrate these buses. The students a few years later came out with a very minimum program: We just want to sit at the lunch counter. But, inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel that eventually meant from 1964 to 1968 – you know – complete revolution was on the table for this country and I think that this green movement has to pursue those same steps and stages.

Right now, we’re saying we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to some kind of eco-capitalism, we’re, you know, at least we’re not fast-tracking destruction of the whole planet. Will that be enough? No it won’t be enough.

We want to go beyond systems of exploitations and oppression all together. But that’s a process, and I think what’s great about the movement that is beginning to emerge is that the crisis is so severe in terms of joblessness, violence and now ecological threats, that people are willing to be both very pragmatic and very visionary. And – So the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.”

Van Jones, Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality (Czar)

April 2008 Radio Uprising

Marxist theory points to the entire capitalist class as an exploitative entity, and to capitalism as a system based on exploitation. So by referencing capitalism by way of a Marxist reference and expressing the desire to go beyond that and link all the green policy as the engine to transform the whole society (to communism), Van does us all a favor.

Thanks Van.

Insomuch it pretty much says all environmentalists are working for the communist movement, either knowingly or unknowingly. That would probably embody the entire progressive movement.

So why do we have an avowed enemy of capitalism and to the American philosophy as an advisor to the President? Why is a senior advisor, Valerie Jarrett, to Obama claiming they know all about this guy at NetRoots August 2009 conference and have watched him since his time in Oakland? Sounds like she's in pretty deep with this guy and his philosophy.

So we have people using Marxists phrases pregnant with all the prejudice of Marxian distaste for capitalism setting policy as an advisor “so the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.”

Did we ask for revolution? That's what transforming society is.

That's right, he said it. “…complete revolution was on the table for this country…inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel…” Is that what we have been doing all this time?

Is that what Obama meant when he said we are five days away from fundamentally changing the United State of America?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cqN4NIEtOY

Let's take a look at the Marxist viewpoint…

“Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.”

Critique of the Gotha Programme, May 1875

Is that the reason Obama wants to nationalize health care, automobile industry, banks, tax private radio the equivalent of 100 percent of their operating budget, etc?

I don't recall the political campaign being about revolution in America and destroying capitalism, destroying private property…

Where are our Senators, Congressman, and Judges? Do they agree with this? Are they in their position to help this revolution? Are they waking from their naps? Let's say they had no idea…well, what about now? Let's say we stick a post-it on top of their sandwich at lunch and say, “Hey, by the way…do you know…”


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cr8f
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Go away loser and stop sending me emails. It's illegal and called harassment.

We have socialist police in this country to protect us from morons.


cr8f
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 12:00 am

Acorn BS from Factcheck.org

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/acorn_a…

GOP just hates groups that register democrats.


Patrick
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 12:46 am

The art of bloviation! How much time did you spend on the above message? It seems you need to take a chill pill and calm down.


drummerman11
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 2:05 am

yes,america is still a very racist country,and with people who think like you it will probably stay that way.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 3:24 am

You take the pill…I'm sure it's part of your menu. What's the matter too many words for you? Besides it's your buddy Van Jones talking about how he wants to take over and fix everything…I'm sure you'll endorse the concept. I bet you have a Che Guevara t-shirt in your closet and drool at the mention of “Haliburton” and think 9/11 was an “inside job.”

So all you can say is take a chill pill…pitiful.


notesfromme
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 4:18 am

Wow. You really have no idea what Jones was saying do you? Perhaps you just hated the mention of Rosa Parks, and have a visceral “feeling” whenever the Civil Rights movement is brought up? Capitalism is a system that exploits labor–have you ever seen a factory full of children in a Third World country, a sewing shop in your local garment district, or the fields of the Central Valley in California at harvest time? Are you saying that slavery was not exploitative, or that segregation was not oppression? Pointing out the obvious is not Marxism. And, when did the notion of incremental change to achieve wider goals become a “Marxist” concept? It is usually called “pragmatism.”

The quote from Marx is just common sense–if you move from any economic, social or political system to another there is always a transitional phase. Nothing novel about that notion, and actually rather obvious. We went through it–it was called the Articles of Confederation. People started advocating such radical things as universal suffrage and the abolition of slavery. Then the counter-Revolution began, and we got the Constitution.

Nothing that Van Jones said implies that environmentalists are working for the “communist” movement–in fact in his quote he says nothing whatsoever about Marx or Marxism. The number of logical fallacies and factual errors in your post completely destroy your credibility. You see “communist” rhetoric because you want to see it.

Your ignorance to the contrary, Obama neither wants to nor has “nationalize” healthcare, automobile industry, banks or tax private radio, not by a long shot. The current healthcare “reform” proposals are boiling down to some rather tepid changes–primarily regulation of corporate health insurance to limit or eliminate some of the worst abuses such as excluding pre-existent conditions, etc. Obama has never advocated nationalizing healthcare delivery or making hospitals part of a government system, on the contrary.
Why are you defending a profit-based, corporate health insurance system that severely rations care, diverts healthcare funds to executive salaries and hordes of corporate bureaucrats, bribes politicians and provides nothing of value to the healthcare delivery system? We already have death panels that reject 20-30% of claims–corporate ones. The insurance companies are the reason why we have the most expensive, wasteful, inefficient, and shameful health care system among the industrialized countries–a model that no other country would ever follow.

Obama has not “nationalized” the auto industry. Ford, Toyota, Honda, et.al. are all private companies, and did not need help from the US. GM and Chrysler were loaned money to prevent a catastrophic collapse of the auto industry supplier base, and to arrest the cascade of job losses from the credit crisis. Both went BK to strip off debt, Chrysler was sold to Fiat. It remains to be seen if GM is at all viable, and there may come a time to pull the plug. No one on the left wants the government to be involved in the auto business for long, especially since Bush got us into it in the first place.

The largest banks were loaned money to prevent a catastrophic meltdown of the global financial system, and the money is being repaid, they were NOT nationalized. We would have been better off if they had been, because nothing has changed on Wall Street and the lobbyists are out in force to prevent any new regulations. Many smaller insolvent banks were taken over, because that is what the government does when banks fail. It assures that the assets are used to prevent losses to the account holders.

As for the radio tax–complete hogwash. No doubt it is one of those paranoid dreams that spew forth from your hate-radio masters. We should be so lucky.


Patrick
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

Nope, no Che Guevara shirt in my closet. I hate taking pills (maybe you should ask Rush about that!). I cringe at the mention of Haliburton because they (Cheney and Company) have ripped off our country in a huge way by selling screws and toilet seats to the military for ridiculous prices! And finally, I don't think 9/11 was an inside job>>>it was an event that could have been avoided had W paid attention to the memos he had in hand. He and Rice simply disregarded them at least a month prior to the event. I do think Bush let it happen and did not realize it would be so horrific. He was/is a total idiot and had nothing to base his presidency on, so he went ahead and let 9/11 happen! You. Mr. Joe Blow are pitiful for being such a puppet for the right wing and being such a sore loser in 2008. Mr. Bush had plenty of corrupt folks in his fold while he was in office, but the likes of you cheered him on and considered me and anyone who disputed him unpatriotic. Unfortunately, W screwed everything up so much that we do need to do extreme measures to fix it and if it includes things that you consider wrong for our country, too bad!! You Republican/Independents are giving true Independents a bad name. Why can't you just remain a Republican? Are you so ashamed of the GOP party? I am proud to be a bleeding liberal Democrat and am still hopeful that Obama will turn this country around. The Conservative/Christian movement has destroyed our country!! Just my opinion, which I am entitled to as you are to yours. Believe it or not, I respect your opinion and welcome it. Isn't that why we live in the USA? You lost an election>>>I won>>>get over it and show some respect for the president! I hated Bush, but still respected the fact that he was my president (although the absolute worst one in our history)!. Since you don't take pills, have a drink (like your buddy Glenn Beck used to do). You are so foregiving of Beck. Beck is a total WHACKJOB!


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 1:06 am

You're funny…”we do need to do extreme measures to fix it” Hmmm…I think you're so spun you're capable of going along with anything. I'm a classic liberal and believe in the rights of man, separation of powers. I think that we can agree on that…I'm not interested in extreme measures. Frankly, I don't think Marxist dialogue has any place in our government or culture. Marxism simply grows the power of the central state. I want the central state to be restrained and diminished. Extreme measures, not me.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 1:49 am

Hmm…you have lost it. It was Jones' commentary. First of all, I don't have a visceral reaction to Rosa Parks or the Civil Rights movement, the women's vote or anything like that. The fact that you would read that into me because I place a verbatim transcript of Van Jones comments means your a prograndized twit. Moving from the Articles of Confederation to the US Constitution was consistent with the Lockean underpinnings. Marx is the polar opposite. One is the ascendancy of the individual, the other (Marx, since you have trouble keeping things straight) is the ascendancy and a return to the central state. You make it sound like choosing a different cheese for your sandwhich.

You say…”The current healthcare “reform” proposals are boiling down to some rather tepid changes. There is a whole slew problems within it. You don't have a problem with a national database on individuals? Banning private business from continuing which leads to forcing all private competitors out of the market probably sounds alright to you?

When Dr. Jacob S. Hacker, a Yale University Political Science professor, the architect of the latest nationalized health plan, noted on July 21, 2008 when he said “Somebody once said to me that this (public option) is a Trojan horse for single payer health care. (He turns and points to the board). Its right there! ” He laughed when he said this and the joke of it was how could it be accused of stealth or deceit a la Trojan horse, when it’s out in the open. He went on to say after that, “I’m telling you, we are going to get there. Over time, slowly, but we will move away from reliance on employer based insurance, as we should (just why is that, Jacob?), but we will do it in a way that we won’t frighten people into thinking they are going to lose their private insurance.” He also said on January 11, 2007, “This will eliminate the small group insurance market industry…it’s premised on doing that.” He also went on to say at another time, “One of the virtues of it is you can make the claim (lie)…uh…that there is competitive system between public and private sectors.”

Not if you don't allow existing competition to continue in business. IF that isn't stategy to nationalize through business/government cartel, then you're just a serial denier.

SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.

(a)(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.–

(A) IN GENERAL.–Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance
issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.

When you have a plan and an intended conclusion do you think that maybe, just maybe it's being orchestrated?

Hmmm…what the hell it that. This isn't just regulation. That is killing insurance pools and providing an unsustainable environment and a huge incentives to business to shed an expense like what they did with the Pension Guaranty.

You can't bash insurance companies and disavow the government's role in creating the mess. This is a serious denial of the facts in regards to the idea of a single-payer system. The Democrats as well have been heavily involved in regulatory and tort matters. Believing that government hasn't seriously contributed is a seriously flawed perspective.

I've had bad insurance and believe they absolutely made me angry with the BS they pulled, but I've had good insurance, too, but I never lost sight of the fact state regulators authorized all of it.

After listening to Democrat supporters constantly referring to their hatred and disgust of insurance companies, their disgust of profit, I find their simplistic views and disavowal of government duplicity is simply ignorant and child-like.

As I mentioned before, the government is heavily involved. In healthcare, they regulate the doctors, the pharmacists, the pharmaceutical industrials, the testing and certification of new drugs, the hospitals, the insurance companies, the plans insurance companies can offer, the pricing, the oversight, and the legal activities surrounding every facet of this subject. The government runs Medicaid, Medicare, SSI, the FDA (Food and Drug Administration), the Centers for Disease Control. The cover the spectrum. Frankly, they own most of it already. The medical community is heavily embedded with non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that are heavily allied with their governmental equivalents. The result is a government/business cartel of enormous proportions.

The current healthcare reform simply completes the takeover. Government is the problem and we want to give them complete control?? And don't give me that business about private/public competition…I spent enough time on that idiotic lie.

In an aside. The private markets no more failed in healthcare than they did in the credit markets.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are market makers for the secondary mortgage market. If they practiced ANY fiduciary responsibility AT ALL, the mortgage market would never imploded, derivatives or no derivatives. The underlying assets would have not been so vulnerable. Credit wouldn't have been recklessly deployed to “kite” the whole market to kick off the derivative collapse.

IF Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had declined suspect mortgages the mortgage originators would have no market to unload their crap into and private originators would have promptly ceased underwriting mortgages no one would buy. Instead they encouraged it. Fanned the flames. Accelerate, full steam ahead. We will take damn near anything, so write away. No institution that wanted to stay in business with any integrity would have conducted their business in the manner that those institutions did.

Don't tell me FM and FM had to swallow every piece of garbage out there. Just who writes the rules? Oh that's right the government. And who sits on the Board and just who are the executives of FM and FM? Oh that's right, Democratic politicians. Barney and Chris killed anything that came close to controlling FM/FM. Don't give me that crap about it being private. It's a quasi-government institution run by Democratic politicians and regulated by the politicians. As a market maker they have control over the ENTIRE credit market, which is the basis for the commercial paper market which feeds American business. Stock market makers control selected companies, not the whole market. The length and breadth of their size and impact doubly requires they practice sound policies. If you wanted to wreck something, that's the thing to pick.

The recklessness would almost make you think that it was done on purpose. It seems that all the socialists want to SCREAM out about the “failure” of the private market. If you drive the market into the ground by destabilizing the market through gross incompetency (After all what else could you call it? Competency?…) Maybe it wasn't just an accident? It looks a lot like loosening the lug nuts and making sure the accelerator sticks.

You have politicians wrecking markets and the solution is to nationalize markets? But since Marx is just common sense to you…then I'm probably wasting my time.


Patrick
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 2:22 am

To be honest with you, I am numb from the previous 8 years and agree with you in general. I just feel that Obama has not had a chance to do anything without more scrutiny than any other president. Give him a chance. He is no a Marxist, a Communist, or a Socialist. He has the biggest mess on his hands than any other previous new president. And you are right, I am funny. I get great joy with these blogs and the written jousting we all do!


Rusty
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 2:58 am

Biggest mess on his hands. How easily you forget about September 11 2001. That is what Bush had to deal with. Everybody knows that you leave a free market alone and during an economic down turn you cut taxes and spending, not increase them. These basic concepts are taught in high school economics.


NotesFromME
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 3:50 am

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are market makers for the secondary mortgage market. If they practiced ANY fiduciary responsibility

AT ALL, the mortgage market would never imploded, derivatives or no derivatives. The underlying assets would have not been so vulnerable. Credit wouldn't have been recklessly deployed to “kite” the whole market to kick off the derivative collapse. IF Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had declined suspect mortgages the mortgage originators would have no market to unload their crap into and private originators would have promptly ceased underwriting mortgages no one would buy. Instead they encouraged it. Fanned the flames. Accelerate, full steam ahead. We will take damn near anything, so write away. No institution that wanted to stay in business with any integrity would have conducted their business in the manner that those institutions did. Don't tell me FM and FM had to swallow every piece of garbage out there. Just who writes the rules? Oh that's right the government. And who sits on the Board and just who are the executives of FM and FM? Oh that's right, Democratic politicians. Barney and Chris killed anything that came close to controlling FM/FM. Don't give me that crap about it being private. It's a quasi-government institution run by Democratic politicians and regulated by the politicians. As a market maker they have control over the ENTIRE credit market, which is the basis for the commercial paper market which feeds American business. Stock market makers control selected companies, not the whole market. The length and breadth of their size and impact doubly requires they practice sound policies. If you wanted to wreck something, that's the thing to pick. The recklessness would almost make you think that it was done on purpose. It seems that all the socialists want to SCREAM out about the “failure” of the private market. If you drive the market into the ground by destabilizing the market through gross incompetency (After all what else could you call it? Competency?…) Maybe it wasn't just an accident? It looks a lot like loosening the lug nuts and making sure the accelerator sticks. You have politicians wrecking markets and the solution is to nationalize markets? But since Marx is just common sense to you…then I'm probably wasting my time.


Patrick
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 4:12 am

Bush could have stopped 9/11 if he was paying attention! They keep saying that they prevented any more attacks on American soil since then, but the truth is>>9/11 happened while Bush was in office! He had plenty of evidence something was brewing but ignored it. Bush had a surplus when he came into office and left a huge deficit. He cut taxes on the top 5% (his wealthy friends). Obama has to clean up from a total idiot who destroyed America. Bush is just a sloppy frat boy who is dumber than my door knobs!


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

He's definitely a socialist in the French model…there is no doubt about. Cass Sunstein is definitely in the French socialist model. Are they both Leninist and Stalinist, no. If you subjugate individual rights to qualification by the central state instead of the permament, immutable status they are supposed to have then you are definitely inverting the hierarchy to empower the central state at the expense of the individual.

What do you think Dr. Hacker is talking about in this passage?

When Dr. Jacob S. Hacker, a Yale University Political Science professor, the architect of the latest nationalized health plan, noted on July 21, 2008 when he said “Somebody once said to me that this (public option) is a Trojan horse for single payer health care. (He turns and points to the board). Its right there! ” He laughed when he said this and the joke of it was how could it be accused of stealth or deceit a la Trojan horse, when it’s out in the open. He went on to say after that, “I’m telling you, we are going to get there. Over time, slowly, but we will move away from reliance on employer based insurance, as we should (just why is that, Jacob?), but we will do it in a way that we won’t frighten people into thinking they are going to lose their private insurance.” He also said on January 11, 2007, “This will eliminate the small group insurance market industry…it’s premised on doing that.” He also went on to say at another time, “One of the virtues of it is you can make the claim (lie)…uh…that there is competitive system between public and private sectors.”

He is detailing a strategy on how to achieve a single payer system incrementaly by driving out the most of private insurers. The only one that will remain will be larger insurer and other large providers will enjoy a cartel status in the single payer government monopoly.

Hacker is simply laughing at people saying “I'm not hiding anything, it's right there” only people seem to be so damn ingnorant to read the words on the paper and seem incapable of understanding a not too complicated conclusion. The result is a nationalization of an industry. Not quite as blunt as a third world banana republic, but a incremental nationalization all the same.

And just what does that mean?

It means the idea of private property and the right embedded in private property are diminished and move close to extinction.

Get your head out of the darkness and quit thinking “evil” insurance company. Think!

SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.

(a)(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.–

(A) IN GENERAL.–Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance
issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.

This is shutting off private business…they can keep what they have, between the two influences of a dying insurance pool and subsidized govt. care it is an inducement to get other business to dump their insurance into the govt. provider and if we don't like it, too bad!

How can the government say you can no longer acquire new business, in effect dooming them to be ongoing functioning business. It isn't a complete ban…its a partial ban, but it might as well be a complete ban, because the intended effect is to “…eliminate the small group insurance market industry…it’s premised on doing that.”

It is a not too subtle legislation precluding private business to continue. They have broken no laws to warrant sanction. They were a legimate private business working in accordance with State governments to offer State approved policies.

In country that is supposed to protect the rights of private property simply come along and say “your out of business, we just don't like you.”

When Jan Schankowsky (D-IL) April 18, 2009 said “And next to me was a guy from the insurance company, who then argued against the public health insurance option, it wouldn’t let private insurance to compete. A public option will put the insurance industry out of business and lead to a single payer system. My single-payer friends, he was right.” She went on to say, “This is not a principled fight…”

Think!

What is that? It is inducing private business to help destroy a niche of private business. When is it someone else's turn?

When you have a plan and an intended conclusion do you think that maybe, just maybe it's being orchestrated?

If you can't see this…then you are blind and prejudiced…

The germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the constitution of the federal judiciary; an irresponsible body, working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little to-day and a little to-morrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief, over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one.

- Thomas Jefferson


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

“As for the radio tax–complete hogwash”

Page 278 of Mark Lloyd's book Prologue to a farce: communication and democracy in America.

“Federal and regional broadcast operations and local stations should be funded at levels commensurate with or above those spending levels at which commercial operations are funded,” Lloyd wrote.

“This funding should come from license fees charged to commercial broadcasters. Funding should not come from congressional appropriations. Sponsorship should be prohibited at all public broadcasters.”

Don't you think he'll act on these ideas….

Do I have to connect the dots for you? Somebody writes something down, I read the words nd you call that paranoia. The ring is in your nose NotesFromME, not mine. Do you need the google books link? Even then you'll deny.

Or how about his “love” for “Hugo Chavez's incredible revolution”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWYJRtKHthk

Of course, this is just all fantasy to you, deny, deny, deny…right there on youtube…don't you get embarrased being a useful idiot.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Always vulgar language coming from a vulgar mind. Usually the finger pointing out is the finger pointing back at oneself.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

What exactly did he say that bothers you?


Adam
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 6:26 am

The Obama fans take Wilson to task for breaching protocol, by shouting “liar!” to the President. Why is it, though, that NOBODY in the media would even air the video of Obama bowing to King Abdullah–a GROSS breach of Presidential Protocol, if there ever was one? When pressed, the Obama apologists made excuses, like “he had to bend over, 'cause he's so much taller” (by 1″):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WlqW6UCeaY

Can somebody say 'bias'?


Adam
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 6:29 am

Racists, like Van “it's all a White conspiracy!” Jones. Let's not forget Rev. Wright, too.


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joeblow1113
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

NotesFromME, what part of “complete revolution was on the table for this country and I think that this green movement has to pursue those same steps and stages” don't you understand?

So you agreed with the Van Jones commentary, you referenced it as you defended it, and then denied it wasn't saying what it was saying which was laughably contravened by your own argument in support of Jones, all the while trying to tell me I'm seeing things.

Your real defense is it's not Marx, its called something else with a different label called “pragmatism.” Its sold as just a logical incremental extension of America when leaving one economic/political system is a revolution and it is NOT an incremental extension when it inverts and destroys the whole relationship of the individual to the government. This would be the extinguishing of the only thriving opposition to all the dominant central government derivations around the world.

Slavery is exploitation AND was never supported by the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution. It was went against the whole Lockean view. It went against all principals over every kind. In the absence of slavery, capitalism has done just fine. There is not anything inherent in capitalism requiring exploitation as a dependency. Any injustice is done due to human moral failure, not because of the economic system. Do you think communism prevented the mass murder committed by Stalin and Mao.

Capital never goes away, the only difference is who controls it, government or the private individual. the controlling feature of central state is the control of production, financing and capital is placed in the hands of the few. You think that has a higher moral claim?

In capitalism control is placed in the hands of the many. Small business is a major employer in this country and a manifestation of private capital being deployed on free market principals guided by private decisions.

AND

You can't bash insurance companies and disavow the government's role in creating the mess. This is a serious denial of the facts in regards to the idea of a single-payer system. The Democrats as well have been heavily involved in regulatory and tort matters. Believing that government hasn't seriously contributed is a seriously flawed perspective.

I've had bad insurance and believe they absolutely made me angry with the BS they pulled, but I've had good insurance, too, but I never lost sight of the fact state regulators authorized all of it.

After listening to Democrat supporters constantly referring to their hatred and disgust of insurance companies, their disgust of profit, I find their simplistic views and disavowal of government duplicity is simply ignorant and child-like.

As I mentioned before, the government is heavily involved. In healthcare, they regulate the doctors, the pharmacists, the pharmaceutical industrials, the testing and certification of new drugs, the hospitals, the insurance companies, the plans insurance companies can offer, the pricing, the oversight, and the legal activities surrounding every facet of this subject. The government runs Medicaid, Medicare, SSI, the FDA (Food and Drug Administration), the Centers for Disease Control. The cover the spectrum. Frankly, they own most of it already. The medical community is heavily embedded with non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that are heavily allied with their governmental equivalents. The result is a government/business cartel of enormous proportions.

The current healthcare reform simply completes the takeover. Government is the problem and we want to give them complete control?? And don't give me that business about private/public competition…I spent enough time on that idiotic lie.

Do you think that government hasn't any incentive or motivation? Their preoccupation with acquiring power seems to be a powerful incentive. For people that have a deep seated desire to control people's lives and actions. This is the holy grail for socialist activists. This is more serious to them than mere money. For sick dysfunctional, sociopath-like, megalomaniacs that can't run their own lives, but they want manage to everyone else's, for all the behavioral modification freaks all geeked up over resource consumption reduction studies and enforcement mechanisms, there is a huge monetary incentive in the money that will be allocated to them, so they can do this all day long.

Naaaah, there's no money in it for them. Just look at the budgetary items. Are you going to tell me there isn't a money motive. With the equivalent of $400 hammers in our future for health care (double the top red bar) I think the profit motive doesn't seem so bad.

So, for the idiot liberals, if you think this wretched scheme will get rid of nasty business, think again. Think of booze blurred junkets of administrators involved in schmooze-fests with corporate lobbyists. It will happen, it always does.

Big Pharm is getting in on the action…

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obamas-health-car…

The nation's drug makers stand ready to spend $150 million to help President Barack Obama overhaul health care this fall, according to numerous officials, a staggering sum that could dwarf attempts to derail his chief domestic priority.

In an interview, Ken Johnson, senior vice president of PhRMA, said, “We will have a significant presence over the August recess, both on television and newspapers and on radio, but we have not finalized details for our fall campaign.”

(Billy Tauzin, the former Republican congressman who is head of PhRMA)

Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA, said the partnership with the deep-pocketed drug industry is one of mutual self-interest, even though the two groups disagree on numerous issues. “We want to achieve coverage for everyone. For PhRMA, this would improve volume for prescription sales because everyone” would have better access to medicine, he said. If they can sit down with a single negotiator and cut a huge deal, it would beat all that competition and pesky advertising cost.

Let's all put on our grownup hats, okay. The big government/big business cartel will sell their mothers to cut a deal. Big business will be in on the nationalization of everything.


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She has been lying about the freedom of information laws in Hawaii. The s**t is going to hit the fan!

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In case you haven’t seen this, below is a repost of what I was sending yesterday.

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