The Waiting Room

“Karl Rove warns that red-state Democrats would risk their seats if they supported reform legislation.”
Seeing as Blue Dogs have the most to lose should there be no reform, that seems like a tell on Rove's part.

“I would have preferred that the issue were taken off the table,” she said.

What she meant was “I would have preferred that all reform is off the table and that we get a white Republican as President.”

I am glad that there is finally a congressman that sees obama for who he is. I say thank you to congressman joe wilson. Stay in there and continue the fight.

I say Thank You to congressman Joe Wilson for standing up and seeing obama for who he is. I say again THANK YOU.

What does it matter what color he is as long as he would be for the people and not try to shove his agenda down our throats like obama.

Bush didn't try to 'shove his agenda' down our throats?

I think illegals should get health care only in very serious matters that threatenns the safety of other innocent people so that they will not put other people in danger. If you look the other way and let people come here to work for low wages all because of GREED then this country needs to also be responsible when it comes to health care. Stop letting them in and hiring them better yet send them back to their countries or enforce the rules like they do for Africans that try to enter this country.

Joe Wilson has spoken for me.

Obama is pushing his own agenda. Just look at the facts. 47,000,000 people are estimated to be not insured. About 20,000,000 are illegal immigrants. There are about 10,000,000 just out of school and young adults in the late teens up to their mid twenties who choose not to be insured. Then there is the chronic unemployed who never work and require assistance on all levels.

I must admit also there is a small number or people who have lost their job recently and they too are uninsured. But most working people are insured to some level. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson has a plan where all these people can buy their own insurance and get a voucher from the government for I think $5000 yearly. (I suppose that would come in the form of a tax rebate but I cannot say right now.)

People who have lost their jobs because loans were made to those who could never pay them back. Obama was a community activist and then a lawyer for ACORN, an organization that is doing illegal things “for the community.” ACORN was instrumental in getting people into homes that they could never afford and you and I are now paying.

People, if you have read this far, we are coming apart with the Obama plan. He is trying to work around our constitution. Tomorrow is 9/12 and there will be a march in Washington. If you can't make it there, might I suggest that you go to a tea party locally and raise you voice and objections.

This health care plan is not good. Some want and say we should be like other countries. I say, other countries should be like we are or what we use to be. The health care in other countries is lacking and you will be put on a list. Then there is the end of life issues. Ezekiel Emanuel has direct input on this health care plan. His idea is that once a person reaches an age after about 50 or whatever the government deems too old that their care may be attenuated. Is that what you want? I know that is not what I want. This plan from Obama is his plan for himself and not for us. It is his idea to keep himself in office. We will see what happens there and I know I will never vote for him – ever. Not because he is half black but because of his lack of concern of our constitution.

Now I have to ask a few questions. Do you want to pay for the health care for illegal immigrants? The plan doesn’t come right out and say illegals are not going to be insured. But on the other hand if one goes to a hospital for care they cannot be asked if they are a citizen or legal alien. So they get the care and we pick up the tab. Do you even want illegal immigrants in our country? We have laws that just are not being enforced and they are here. If we could get Obama to enforce our laws, all these illegals would go away.

Do you want to perpetuate what is going on in the inner cities around our country? What I mean here is that people continue having children and they themselves are children. There is no one at home and no one to raise these children. There is no family unit. Core family units and values are paramount to our nation and without core family values our society will continue to struggle along. We need everyone to be responsible for their family. Responsibility is the key. This is just not achieved without the unity of family values. It is a terrible problem as I see it and it should stop. This would be the beginning of the end of poverty. Not handouts! Stop the handouts! Handouts only subdue a person’s zeal for life and blunts their creative skills whatever they are.

Do you want to not get health care when you get older? This is where you are just not worth it anymore and only the teens through the forties are worth it because they statistically have a longer life to live and any money spent on you at this older age would be a waste of money. Is that what you want?

I want no part of this plan. This plan is a disaster for our country!

I wish us all well!

henrypeter,

Are you sure you're reading the same bill? Your facts are so badly distorted, I'm not sure where to start.

I'll give it a shot, anyway: There is no provision in the bill allowing illegal aliens access to the public system:

Sec. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

“Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States”.

This is exactly how it appears in the bill. Pretty clear to me.

That $5000 credit? Are you kidding me? that wouldn't last the first hour in an ICU. Add to this, in your happy little world, the possibility of being dropped for a pre-existing condition, like a pimple. That's if they even HAVE insurance.

There are sections of the bill that outline preventive care. Do you understand the concept? They council you on what parameters you should follow for maintaining good health based on personal factors like age, sex, you know, the usual information you would normally give at a doctor's office. There is nothing in the wording that says you MUST follow the guidelines. If you don't want to follow them, fine. When you have a heart attack or other malady that was caused by your irresponsibility to your health, they will even accept you into emergency when the time comes. And guess what? You're covered! Either by a public plan, or your own insurance, if you choose.

There are no death panels! This thing is so ridiculous, it deserves no more mention.

If we went with those you defend, this country would dissolve into chaos. We were nearly at it's door, don't you understand that? The previous administration did it's best to screw this country right into the ground. Obama is doing the best with the meager provisions left him by the Bush administration, and they're working. He is, whether or not you accept him as President or not, working in this country's best interests.

I really don't know why you are so afraid. Obama has repeatedly come to the GOP and asked them to be a part of the governing of this nation. All he has received in return is disrespect of the worst kind, on more than just a few occasions. Yet, he returns to them, asking their participation and support. “YOU LIE” is what he receives in turn. We are supposed to respect this?

Joe Wilson is GREAT. Instead of condemning a patriot who wants the truth told to Americans let's condemn our president who tells nothing but LIES on a daily if not hourly basis. He has embarrassed America in other countries and does not like America as set up under the Constitution. I say, go live somewhere else if you don't like America. Support our Constitution or leave. We don't want socialism or fascism. We want less government, not more. Everything government run is failing desperately – Social Security, Medicare, the Post Office. Let Capitalism work. WE DON'T LIKE OR WANT YOUR CHANGE!

You are right, there is no provision in the bill allowing illegal aliens healthcare, BUT read the Constitution. Under our Constitution the illegals would get the right to anything offered to others. This has been explained by experts on Fox News more than once. Obama knows the law and is well aware of this loophole which would provide healthcare for illegals. There is nothing called a “death panel”. It is called something else, but that is exactly what it amounts to. Older Americans will have their care decided for them considering their age and cost of care. I think a death panel is an appropriate name for whatever Obama's bill calls this procedure. It is done in England and Canada.
Obama has not tried to work with the GOP. The Republicans have tried since May to meet with him and work on this healthcare bill. Everything Obama has done or attempted to do since his inauguration is detrimental to America. He has put us in debt more than the total of all Presidents before him. He has given money to banks who turned around and gave bonuses to their employees. The clunker program was another way of putting us in deeper debt. Remember, he has absolutely NO experience doing anything. He has never run anything. Look at his friends in his past. His popularity is going down, and it should. He is a great speaker, and that is it. Wake up and stop listening to him, he lies regularly. Watch what he does and think about what he has done. Nothing good will ever come from any of his ideas.

Betty,

You have to start getting your news and information from more than one source. Did you not read my last post? The section Wilson spouted out about is clearly defined. He's full of crap on this one. He also LIED. These “people” you defend are the ones trying to suborn the Constitution.

We had 8 years of Capitalism. Runaway Capitalism. It nearly screwed us into the ground. You want more of THAT? So, I suppose you are mad because we aren't in a depression? Because that's where we were headed. You saw things failing because of the Bush policies, not Obama's.

You don't like our change? Get used to it. You are in the minority. Or is it all about that? Don't like being a minority? How's it taste? How's it feel? You have had just an infinitessimal taste of what it's like for those who have been disciminated against for the last 223 years of this country's existence. Spare us your bluster, save it for when you preach to the choir in the echo chambers you “people” skulk off to when no one is looking. Screaming and hollering for the staus quo is what's making you “people” look bad. You do it to yourselves.

Monkey,

I think you don't have all the facts yet. First of all, should an illegal go to a hospital he will receive care. The hospital is not allowed to ask if he is an illegal or whatever. He will get the care and we will pay. That is exactly what is happening. Maybe the bill doesn't spell it out and say no illegal will receive care and it nebulous. But they will receive the care and that is a huge problem. I care not to pay for others and if I want to contribute to charity that would be my business.

Now on the $5000. That was just a number I remember waht Kay Bailey Hutchison was saying when I heard her. The $5000 was for you or whoever to purchase their own insurance and not to go have a procedure. Sorry I didn't explain it better for you.

I think when you begin to look at this that it will begin to make more sense to you.

Monkey,

Here are some things for you to think about.

THREE MYTHS OF HEALTH CARE REFORM

Last week, millions of Americans watched President Obama talk about health care reform during a town hall meeting in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. We've included just a few of the President's statements.

Obama Myth #1: You can keep your doctor; you can keep your health care plan.
The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has estimated that nearly 6 million Americans currently covered by an employment-based plan would not have coverage under the current reform proposals.

Obama Myth #2: The AARP supports ObamaCare.
In response to the President's claims, the AARP issued a statement which asserted that “indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate.” However, 60,000 AARP members have discontinued their membership – so one might assume it is a business decision for them.

Obama Myth #3: 46 million Americans are uninsured and uninsurable.
According to the Census Bureau, of the 46 million Americans who are uninsured:

10.1 million are individuals who have income of $66,000 for a family of four, but who elect to remain uninsured.
9.3 million are non-citizens who generally do not pay tax.
6.4 million who are enrolled in Medicaid or S-CHIP but reported to the Census taker that they were not. (This phenomenon is known among statisticians as the Medicaid undercount.)
4.3 million are eligible for Medicaid or S-CHIP but have not enrolled.
5 million are childless adults, mainly healthy, young adults who simply do not wish to pay for insurance.
In short: Most uninsured Americans are uninsured by choice, not by circumstance.Myths such as these confuse and frustrate Americans who simply want the best for their country.

henrypeter,

Thank you for the clarification. Question: The initial amount of $5000- This still doesn't cover the catastrophic side, does it? I mean extended hospital stays, ICU, that sort of thing. The pre-existing condition thing, how about that?

I'm not being confrontational, here. Illegals are not going to have access to public funds, they will receive care, but it will not be paid from taxpayer funds. I think this is a sticking point. Lots of others are complaining about the immigration problem, too.

What I have a problem with is the monolithic healthcare insurance industry. It has become so monstrous, it is beginning to “eat” our people. Mind you, I have no desire to see it disappear, just fairly regulated, so it doesn't victimize Americans, as it has up to now. There hasn't been anything proposed so far, except the public option, that does that. Lots of folk say the public option will kill private insurance. If private insurance goes belly-up, it won't be because of the PO, but their own institutionalized greed.

Believe me, nothing would be better if we all stopped this bickering and discussed like fellow Americans, the things we agree would be beneficial. So far, all I see is enmity. Thanks for this discourse, henrypeter, it's a refreshing change!

I see you have the same trouble with the occasional “waht”. We aren't so different, yah?

Monkey,

The plan I heard from Senator Hutchison was pretty much how I described it as I recall. People would get an amount, I think the amount was put at $5000. Then each individual would purchase their own insurance. I imagine that everyone would have different rates as their age and risk factors would be different. So I have never researched how much the $5000 could buy so I don't know the answer to that.

One problem with high costs of health care is the enormous rates doctors and hospitals have to pay to be insured against lawsuits. So, there are some who want tort reform and that could cut the costs a lot.

I can't see having most people pay for the small amount of people out of work and those illigal immigrants. I think you do agree that they will get care and we will have to pay for it.

I do make some typos now and then and unfortunately I don't catch the error.

Rude and Crude describes Congressman Joe Wilson…imagine if every Congressman or woman felt such “freedom” to disrupt a nationally televised speech ? If a Congressional Page or an ordinary visitor to the Chambers that night had orally lunged out at our popularly elected President as Wilson did, then he or she would have been pulled to the floor, arrested, questioned, jailed and be sent away for psychiatric evaluation.

Hopefully Joe Wilsons constituents will now categorize Wilson along with Kanye West and the Williams tennis-playing “girl” as another adolescent who was'nt raised with a sense of decorum. Wilson embarrases me.

Beaufort Bill