Rep. Joe Wilson Unearths Secret Plot to Provide Illegal Immigrants with Free Health Care

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Wednesday, September 09, 2009 at 10:32 pm

I guess Rep. “Joe” Wilson (R-S.C.) — actually, Addison Graves Wilson Sr. — found out about that secret Democratic plot to provide all illegal immigrants with free health care.

What else could explain his outburst — “You Lie!” — during President Obama’s speech on health care reform, responding to the president’s statement that “the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally”?

Perhaps Wilson believes that illegal immigrants ought not get emergency medical treatment, which is the only medical benefit they might qualify for — when they show up in a hospital on the verge of death, for example.

Or maybe it’s just because Wilson’s last campaign was supported by the Americans for Legal Immigration PAC — a restrictionist group that supports deporting all illegal immigrants in the United States rather than offering any opportunities for legalization, or “amnesty.”

ALIPAC gives Wilson an “A” for opposing “amnesties and ‘guest worker’ programs for illegal aliens along with other rewards such as in-state tuition and driver licenses.” I guess because he supports keeping them uneducated and untraceable if they get into a car accident.

Meanwhile, as MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann pointed out on his show tonight, Wilson has been writing op-eds spreading the rumor that Obama wants to install “death panels” to hasten the death of grandma.

So who’s lying?

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JMiller
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:38 am

http://www.factcheck.org/about/contact-us/

You think Factcheck.org JUST MIGHT be a little biased, considering that it is owned/run by
Annenberg Foundation, the same Annenberg Foundation whom Barrack Obama
(aka Barry Soetoro) was appointed to by his good friend/comrade Bill Ayers.

Der!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:43 am

Do you even know what E-Verify does? It won’t stop illegal immigration. All it does is verify a social security number and the user won’t know if the information is fradulent or not b/c of identity theft. Building a fence won’t do it either. Face the facts, some kind of reform is necessary. You can’t deport them all.


JMiller
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Factcheck is owned and operated by one of Obama’s former employers, Annenberg Foundation, to which he was appointed by friend/comrade domestic terrorist/bomber Bill Ayers.
http://www.factcheck.org/about/contact-us/

La Raza (Sonya Sotomayor’s pet project) Demands Obama Healthcare Cover Illegal Aliens
http://changingworldviews.blogspot.com/2009/06/la-raza-demands-obama-healthcare-cover.html

La Raza; “If the American people find out that this bill is about giving health care to non-citizens, they will rise up against it.”

“They actually got up and said “Latino children need health care more than whites”. And then they would say things like “you must go out into your communities, use words like ‘streamline’, use phrases like ‘all workers’ and ‘all families’,” because they said — and I quote —
“If the American people find out that this bill is about giving health care to non-citizens, they will rise up against it.

…One of the quotes they said was, “We want to make sure we take care of barriers like VERIFICATION, but we can streamline programs to the more affluent” and, quote, “Useless treatments for the elderly can be gone because we don’t need to spend money for people who are going to die anyway.”

That’s a direct quote from that meeting. They also said, “We are very concerned there will be an effort to include” the illegal immigrants in this argument, so “we must make sure that we focus this” to the American people that it’s looking like we want “health care for everyone”.

And they also said that 75% of the children who will be picked up in this will be non-citizens and that 44% of the uninsured are non-citizens and they can’t possibly allow the American people to know this.” [Ed: Oops!]

Menendez’ office said that he’s going to make sure that “a family of four that makes $66,000 a year or less will pay nothing at all for the new health care.”

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/06/red-alert-la-raza-if-american-people.html

Bottom line; unless there is SPECIFIC language in the healthcare bill to EXCLUDE illegal aliens, they WILL get free healthcare, and La Raza aims to have the healthcare bill written just that way!
La Raza doesn’t bother to lie about that fact, so why is every other dimwit trying to say that illegal aliens won’t get free healthcare? Hmmmm.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:06 am

I see that you didn’t even bother trying to refute the information. Sorry, but ad hominem attacks do not suffice. It’s not even a nice try. Your “Barry Soetoro” story is false, too. Do your own fact checking!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:04 am

It is absolute nonsense to say that this country needs illegal aliens. If anyone on this side of the border truly feels a need for illegals, it is because the company he runs has become addicted to the human cocaine of cheap, docile labor. News reports show that many Americans are applying for the “jobs Americans won’t do” in this economy, and have been whenever these jobs open up after an ICE raid. Most people in this country want immigration curtailed at least until we get our citizens back to work. ALIPAC never said anything about making Christianity the official religion of this nation, and whoever implied that is just childishly lying. It is also childish to keep quoting “Give me your tired, your poor…..etc.” as if this was somehow sacred. It is just a poem, for crying out loud, and not any sort of law. A mature, sovereign nation regulates access to its society for the good of its citizens. All the others do, and there is nothing wrong with this. We already have a lot of illegals taking advantage of our national kindness and decency. Can we afford to open national health care to them even more? Do the math. Let’s get our own house in order before we talk about extending anmesty or expanding immigration. We owe that to our own people, and most of them want this done.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:42 am

I don’t want government becoming my health care or insurance provider because they mess everything else up. It’s just crazy putting your health in their hands.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:24 am

Thank you Jmiller for this information. Pertinent, and proof of what Rep. Wilson was speaking out about.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:24 am

Thank you Jmiller for this information. Pertinent, and proof of what Rep. Wilson was speaking out about.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:25 am

Somebody is getting a little angry.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:25 am

Somebody is getting a little angry.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:31 am

Why do you say that? Is Pelosi going to get him now and his little dog?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:31 am

Why do you say that? Is Pelosi going to get him now and his little dog?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:34 am

It’s OK Joe, I yelled lair at Obama all the time, the difference is he can’t hear me. Too bad for me.

Dixie


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:34 am

It’s OK Joe, I yelled lair at Obama all the time, the difference is he can’t hear me. Too bad for me.

Dixie


Doc3
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:59 am

The Democrats stripped verification requirements from the various House bills so Joe was correct. So when there is amnesty for the 12 to 40 million illegal aliens they are not going to get health care? We need to enforce our immigration laws. Pass and enforce E-Verify. Pass HR 1868 to end the so called Anchor Baby route to citizenship and require at least one parent at the time of birth to be a US citizen. Finish the border fence and yes find and deport and send home all illegal aliens. If they want to immigrate let them apply. The cost of illegal aliens to the citizens of this Country is an outrage.


jameslee123
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:01 am

Wilson, You're a dick.


kim777
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Thank God someone will stand up to this lying sack of @#$%!


tallgreenalien
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:05 am

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoo…


tboulder1
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:07 am

Immigration has not even been discussed and you already know that all illegal immigrants are going to get amnesty. Obama is not a liar. He said no illegals would get health care. And as far as the cost of them being here, you benefit by getting things cheaper. If you didn't pressure businesses to cut costs to the bone, maybe they wouldn't have to hire illegals to make ends meet. Joe Wilson is a disgrace to South Carolina, along with his buddy Mark Sanford.


edzzup
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:27 am

Why would an illegal alien even need bother obtaining health insurance coverage? He's already got it. All he need do is show up at an emergency room for treatment of any health complaint — he can't be turned away. He certainly doesn't need to be “on the verge of death” — excuse your melodrama! Go to an ER in southern California and draw your own conclusions. I have. Americans are too softhearted to refuse care to foreign citizens. You probably think bankrupting hospitals in this way, as it does, is actually — abracadabra! — prudent policy in disguise.


Robin
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:29 am

Remember when these same right wingers were screaming hysterically during the 60's and 70's that the push to start recycling programs was a commie plot to undermine American businesses? And that we must resist and destroy the Anti-American proponents of recycling and conservation? Nuts like Wilson will look equally ridiculous 10 years from now.


Wayne Wilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:30 am

this country could not FUNCTION without illegal aliens, and pretty much everyone except a few head in the sand republicans knows it. New York, LA, the farming industry, snow plowing, restaurants, all would shut down in DAYS. It's a fact.


Amber-Nicole
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:30 am

I sets a tone when John McCain said that it was disrespectful and Wilson needed to apologize. If Wilson was trying to make a name for himself outside of South Carolina…boy he just did it.


Democrat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Joe supports deporting all illegal aliens? Where do I send my campaign contribution check?


Democrat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:32 am

If Rino McCain said Joe should apologize? I'm doubling my campaign contribution.


judekenn
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:35 am

Whoever voted a caveman like Joe Wilson into office should cover thier faces in shame. What a moron!


jip
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:35 am

Wilson you are my HERO!!!!!!!


Alastair Dallas
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Heckling the President is wrong in everyone's book. It doesn't matter the issue or the individual. I am furious at Rep. Wilson for setting this white trash precedent in my House of Representatives. I don't want his apology, I want his resignation.

Alastair Dallas
Los Gatos, CA


angelajones
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:37 am

I noticed the presidents hair is getting grayer. The republicans and uneducated Americans are stressing him out. He should do like Bush, forget about health care, the economy, job outsourcing, etc., and go on vacation every other month.


LibsRstillStupid
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:38 am

We are called names when we call liar a liar, socialist a socialist, thug a thug, thief a thief. The LIE-BERALs scream civility because they are NOT civil. They steal, they lie, they extort, they turn this county into Socialist States of America. TRILLIONS is more than enough for anyone to call liar Obama, et al. liars! If TRILLIONS is not enough, what would it take? This country has become a country of cowards, not the home of the braves! Joe Wilson has nothing to apologize TO or FOR! Where are the patriots? The socialists Pelosi/Reid/Obama are turning this country into a banana republic. The speech turned the congress into a funeral ceremony tonight! Obama is scared to death in his voice.


carlyt
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:40 am

South Carolina should be ashamed for voting this man into office. There is a related post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588


Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Joe Wilson rocks.


Craig Olds
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:46 am

Either this clown gets a pile of money from the insurance lobby or he's just not very bright. Have a look at T.R. Reid's book, The Healing of America. The only axe he has to grind is that it's morally right to take care of our people, and goes on to point out that every other democratic industrialized nation does this while spending a great deal less than we do.
Follow the money, it's jacking us around again.


jai007
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:47 am

As far as I am concerned Rep. Wilson is a TOTAL embarrasment to South Carolina and Congress. HE is the Liar. AND a complete Jerk.


middleoftheline
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:49 am

and what exactly have the republicans done to alleviate or lend a helping hand in this situation recently, or in the last eight years that they havent already not done


Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:50 am

Joe Wilson is an even bigger embarrassment to our state than our governor.


Lisa O
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:51 am

Jeez, What do you think John Adams would have done in the same situation? Good for Joe Wilson!
Benjamin Franklin once said, ” Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both”..


John
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:51 am

I congratulate that man!!! Bravo to him. He is the only one with guts to call it like it is…and to the writer of this article, you say Wilson believes illegals shouldn't get emergency medical treatment. Actually you are dead wrong. Obama's health bill is not about emergency medical treatment. It is about government mandated health insurance-that is what Wilson is against. Wilson never said anything about illegals being prevented from emergency medical treatment…and by the way, illegal immigrants already get emergency medical treatment at the expense of hard working tax payers and that is why many hospitals have gone out of business. If you're gonna post on the internet, please make sure you are informed, otherwise you will mislead naive people with your inaccuracies. Thank you.


bilbo15
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:52 am

Despicable behavior. I did notice that the Republicans sitting next to Wilson weren't at all surprised by his outburst. Also understood that all Congressional members had President Obama's speech ahead of time. So Wilson wasn't surprised by the statement on health care coverage for illegal immigration, his outburst was planned. This is where the Reps are going – downhill and fast.


tom holiday
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:52 am

You go Joe! Speak Truth to Power. Isn't that the mantra of the left?
I guess they can't take their own medicine.


middleoftheline
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:52 am

get your facts straight


fraught
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:53 am

Illegal aliens will be able to sign up and pay for insurance under this plan. We do not want 10 million aliens to be the only ones in our country to be uninsured. Can you calculate the cost to this country? Immigration reform is a separate issue. that comes next year. Joe wilson should be out of congress by about the same time that reform bill goes into effect. Just desserts for a man who just ruined his career.


marcoPorto
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:55 am

You don't know what you are talking about! Patriots? What patriots? What is the health care reform plan that you republicans have? Lies and more lies, you are the liars!! You lied to the people for eight year!


fraught
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:57 am

Don't forget Miss South Carolina.” I personally believe that US Americans….”


Sarah Johnson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:57 am

I was kinda hoping Obama would take off his coat and go punch that jerk out. He's old, fat, and white, he would have gotten his ass kicked. But Obama for some reason let it slide. And Joe Wilson will go down in history for that remark, no Congressman has ever been that rude to our countries' President. It just shows how low Republicans have fallen, they no longer have any ethics, morals or civil behavior left. No wonder why they lose elections so badly! There is nothing left of the Republican party we once knew.


middleoftheline
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:57 am

very true, they hold jobs that most wouldnt put themselves remotely close to doing…construction, hotels, and not to mention; were talking about the inevitable. if they provee to be an asset to our country and do not cause harm…most likely they are here to stay whether you or anyoneelse likes it for that matter. this plan should have nothing to do with race- it should be american citizens caring about other american citizens. period


Hey Joe
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Hey Joe Wilson….YOUR POLITCAL CAREER IS OVER!
You will be known as the disrespectful puke who dissed the President…and it cost you dearly!
Problem is you can apologize all you want…the American people will not forgive you!
I wonder what's in the water that those republicans in South Carolina are drinking?


Algernon
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:00 am

I went to college with this guy. W&L 1969. Joe is his colloquial name. He's Addison Graves Wilson. An early supporter of Richard Nixon in 1967. Sigma Nu (or something like that). Here's a good one: his date (Nancy Moore) to some major weekend (probably Fancy Dress where the men wore either tuxes or confederate uniforms (except for Pooky Levy who came dressed as a dog)) dumped him after that weekend and married Strom Thurmond.


Joy
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:00 am

Rep. Joe Wilson from South Carolina is obviously woefully misinformed and ignorant about the proposals for Health Care Reform. Has he even read the material? Or is he deliberatively lying? Either way, his dishonesty, his obvious bias, his distrust, his inability to be reasoned — these are significant causes for concern. Is he even mentally balanced? Does he, along with several others like Rep. Michelle Bachmann from Minnesota, truly represent the caliber of people we have representing the citizens of our country? He even sends out “information” on his letterhead that is full of lies. What a travesty. What a disgrace. What a cause of concern for citizens like me who rely on these people to represent us in an informed and rational manner.


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:01 am

That is insanity. You want something to be afraid of I suspect. Seriously, you really think we are turning into a socialism? That is pure idiocy. No one is going to let America be a socialism. I don't care how left the left is, no one on the left wants a socialism.

You can be a person who lives in fear, ducking every terrorist attack, desperately clinging to the fear of an ideology that clearly doesn't work in practice (socialism), or you can not live in fear and LIVE. We are no closer now to losing our rights than when the last president took them away. Call it what it is. Is it bigotry? Is it misdirected fear? Is it simple xenophobia? This kind of vapid, idiotic, unfounded, anger and hate is going to come back and bite you, very hard. Americans are sick and tired of it. We are smart, educated, hard working, liberty loving Americans. It's not going to be The Government who is going to drop the hammer on you. But sincerely, the majority of Americans citizens will if you keep up this antagonist, counter productive, hateful, backwards, misinformed and confused behavior.

You do not want a civil war. If you want so desperately to fight, we have two going on.


salliejohnson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:04 am

You go Joe, you were the only one brave enough to speak the truth of the American people and also your knowledge of the bill shows through. So Carolina shoud be proud that you spoke with the emotion of your heart………. let the truth be heard. We support you.


bilbo15
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:05 am

Rep Joe Wilson's website is down for “maintenance”. Lucky him or he would be hearing from America about his outburst. This guy out to resign.
What is going on with South Carolina's Republicans? Shades of 1861.


Wfm
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:07 am

Dear Joe, I am more proud of you for tonight than I have been of anyone in Washington in a very long time. The look on Nancy Pelosi's face was priceless. You are the first person I have seen or heard stand up to that jerk Obama. He is trying to force Socialism on us. He is destroying our country. He is a liar just like you said. You need not apologize for telling the truth. All Americans know what is going on. We are waiting for someone with big brass balls to stand up to Obama and not allow him to force his agenda on us. WE DO NOT WANT HIS HEALTHCARE PLAN. He really believes we are stupid and we are going to believe his lies. No more. He needs to go back to Kenya where he came from and was born. Congress needs to throw those Czars out of Washington. Something needs to be done about all those illegals. The list goes on and on. Lets start with Obama and get him out of the White House. Again, anyone that can read, can see the Healthbill covers illegals. I lived in Dallas for most of my life and you can go to Parkland on any given day, any time and the emergency room is over flowing with illegals there for their free healthcare. The garbage about illegals are not taking our jobs is the BIGGEST LIE. When I try to find a job, I do not speak Spanish so I have been turned down many many times. All the construction going on is done by illegals. All the road work, done by illegals. I know, I use to work for a company that the 4 of us in the office were white, every single other person in the company was illegal Mexicans. This is a TRUE FACT!! AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR STANDING UP FOR AMERICA!! WE ARE SO PROUD OF YOU. YOU DID A GREAT THING. WE NEED ONE PERSON THAT WILL STAND UP TO OBAMA THAT EVERYONE ELSE CAN LINE UP BEHIND AND SUPPORT HIM OR HER. WHAT SAY YOU? THANK YOU!!


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:08 am

What you are doing, for all intents and purposes, is wrong. And if there is such a thing as evil, then the hate you are projecting into the world, via the internet, is it. Evil. You are spewing lies and hate. It is completely nonfactual and disprovable.

We've had enough of it.

I've had enough of it.

I declare war on idiocy.


salliejohnson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:11 am

Joe, You are an American Patriot in every sense of the term. The people are behind you all the way. You enbodied the American spirit. Too bad we don't have others like you !!!!!!!!


bilbo15
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:12 am

You go WFM. Whats that stand for White F…… Male. I love acronyms.


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:14 am

He didn't stand up for me, or the other half of America, you fearful idiot. I've read the bill. It does not cover illegal immigrants. What you are doing is wrong. Are you trying to start a civil war?


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:16 am

for all of you that want to get rid of immigrants, take the welcome mat off our front porch first

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Joe's career is over. Obama will line item veto anything he wants and he will be useless, just like the cronies who sat there when everyone else was standing and applauding.

Good job GOP, you've managed to turn your country into a pile of shit.


Real American
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:19 am

Never in this countries history has someone done somthing like this, insult a President on the House floor. It shows that the Republicans have become such barbarians that they cannot even follow the rules of the House. Those rules were established in ths Constitutional Congress in 1787 after the country settled from the Revolutionary War, when Joe Wilson insulted the President he spit in the face of our founding fathers.


bobghedd
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:20 am

Let me guess… Sallie Johnson is a redneck?


jackruby
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:24 am

hey WFM (white fat male) you should go back to whatever country you came from. these american indians were here first.

You're obviously uneducated, if you're competing in the job market with illegals, and have to get healthcare at parkland.
Use some of these socialist government programs to get some better education and get a better job.
Quit blaming other people for your lack of trying to better yourself and make your community better.


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:24 am

I stand up to you. Stop.


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:27 am

Less than 1/2 the people are behind him. I am not. He's a patriot? He's standing up for what, ultimately? Money.


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:30 am

Please leave our country. Please stop ruining my country. Just go.


txman
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:31 am

Yeah, I don't see many people “behind him.” He just committed political suicide!


salliejohnson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:32 am

You go Joe,
America is the land of limitless opportunity, not the land of unbridaled charity. The end of self-reliance is the beginning of perpetual dependence. We would all do well to heed Thomas Paine's warnings and observations; American crisis then……..American Crisis now!


txman
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:33 am

WFM is an idiot. People like him make it easy for the Democrats to control the power.


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:33 am

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Posting it again. Just in case.


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:34 am

Thanks to tallgreenalien


Connie
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:35 am

Joe Wilson is a child where we expect an adult. Yelling out, stating lies ( unless he did not read the reform bill HR3200 and is just ignorant ), this is what a child does to get attention.
We need men/women who can reason, who can come up with clever and smart ideas on reform, who can read, and are able to leave emotions out of the equation. Men/women who can show a modicum of self control.
Joe Wilson should be voted out of office. Why keep him, this is not what American needs.


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:38 am

joe wilsons statement from tonight :

“This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President’s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the President’s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility.”

HAHA!


ALIPAC
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:39 am

First of all, you are lying because our organization, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC) has never made the claim we want all illegal aliens deported. The first thing you need to do is back that statement up with some facts and good luck doing it since your statement is blatantly false.

Secondly, Obama did lie when he said illegal immigrants would not be covered by HR 3200. The illegals will be covered by NON EMERGENCY medical benefits in this bill for two reasons. 1. There's no enforcement provisions in the legislation requiring government official to screen, detect, or exclude illegal aliens. 2. Obama and Senator Chuck Schumer plan to file AMNESTY legislation soon and if they succeed in getting that passed then fifteen million illegal aliens will become citizens and voters and thus qualify for HR 3200.

A recent Rasmussen poll finds that 83% of Americans do not want illegal aliens to receive government healthcare benefits.

This is the position of ALIPAC.us We stand with the majority of America's legal citizens.

Obama tried to lie to the nation tonight. Congressman Joe Wilson called him on it.

And now Daphne Eviatar is here lying to protect Obama's lies.

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
http://www.alipac.us


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:39 am

People like him make it easy for us all to ravenously envision human extinction.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:44 am

I was going to send Joe Wilson an email but is site is down for maintenance. I'll try tomorrow.

http://www.joewilson.house.gov/

“Joe Wilson
This site is down for maintenance.
Please check back again soon.”


billjumps
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:44 am

We know Obama is lieing, yet nobody wants to accept or believe it. Healthcare is not a government funded agency, and should never be. It is difficult to believe anyone in the government today, and Wilson has his right to free speech, just like anyone else.


txman
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Illegals are NOT covered by HR 3200. It says just the opposite….sounds like you're the liar.


txman
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:47 am

You mean like medicare?


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:49 am

New angle Bill? What kind of an Orwellian front of a phony amnesty program are you running?

You are a putrid mockery of a “leader”.

YOU MAY PERSONALLY CAUSE A CIVIL WAR.

William, you are a fear mongering piece of offal. YOU PERSONALLY are making my country and this world a terrible and scary place.:

Fearful things from your website.
“News about illegal immigration, illegal aliens, terrorism, national security, border patrol, crime, immigrant gangs, Americans, Congress, laws, and campaigns are Updated here Daily!”

Stop, before a tide of fed up normal intelligent Americans swarm over you. Maybe literally. That's what you're pushing for right? A civil war?


ALIPAC
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Thank you for writing Americans for Legal Immigration PAC.

ALIPAC's director, William Gheen, will review ALL messages and respond if
possible.

Due to the enormous volume of e-mail we receive each day, we regret that
we cannot respond to each message we receive. Your message will be read
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eskimonana
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:52 am

Obama said he would “call out” anyone who spoke an untruth about the health care bill. Joe Wilson was simply doing what Obama said should be done. Obama himself misrepresented the bill to the American people and Joe Wilson was the only one w/ the COURAGE to stand up and call out Obama on it. Other Senators and Congressmen just sat there silently allowing Obama to lie to the American people. The fact is that although there is no mandate for healthcare for illegal immigrants there is also NO DETTERENT and nothing that would keep illegal immgrants from using the system. Joe Wilson should NOT be apologizing for speaking up for the American people!! Joe Wilson spoke the truth.


Lenny
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:52 am

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) which illegal aliens use to get free treatment at emergency rooms, was signed into law by Ronald Reagan in 1986. Therefore, Rep. Wilson's party provided the platform for giving illegal aliens free emergency room healthcare.


NOCIVILWAR
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:53 am

You are xenophobic coward, William.


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:54 am

What is alipac's stance on the american indians?

What is alipac's stance on the statue of liberty?

Your website says “Congress should make English the official language of America!” do you also believe that Congress (the opposite of progress) should make Christianity the official religion of America?


txman
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:55 am

What Joe Wilson did was commit political suicide for being disrespectful!


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ALIPAC
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:56 am

HR 3200 claims that the bill should not be construed as offering benefits to illegal aliens, however, further inspection of the bill finds ZERO, NADA, No enforcement provisions whatsoever. Thus, without language clearly stating that the E-Verify System or SAVE systems will be applied to applicants for these benefits, the illegal aliens can take them just like they take everything else from Americans! Also, Obama plans to try and legalize illegal aliens soon and that would also make them clearly eligible for the benefits in HR 3200.

Obama is the liar here, not me and not Congressman Wilson.

Here's the video, look at the explanation there and look at the comments.

Obama Lies and Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Him on His Lie about Illegal Aliens & Healthcare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9lk6UXPqbw


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:58 am

salliejohnson – Rep. Joe Wilson is an American Patriot because he heckled our President while the POTUS delivered a speech on health care to Congress and the American people? Or because Rep. Joe WIlson got his facts wrong about if illegal immigrants will be covered?

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoo…


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:00 am

You guys are such good Christians!
Jesus would totally support letting uninsured people die in the street, right?

Also, just so we're clear, illegals these days get treatment at ERs for VASTLY increased cost which is passed on to those who are lucky enough to have insurance.

You guys make America the country it is! Thanks so much! Maybe we get our quality of life under 20th in the world if we keep trying to suck so hard. Go team!


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:02 am

Zomg, forgot to mention that all y'all who're against “socialized medicine” should call up the Medicare office and tell 'em that you don't want no part of that communist death panel! And while you're at it, call the Social Security office and tell 'em you don't want that socialist payout.

You guys are so smart!


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:07 am

just a tip, stay away from that alipac website. the forum there is filled with some of the most vile filth and people i have ever seen.

joe would fit in well there.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:08 am

Some people rush to Obama's defense without any weapons.

Obama is a liar. The bill is HR 3200. It's pretty clear, Rep. Wilson read the bill and understands there is a huge loophole that the Democrats have had several amendments before them to seal up but they voted the amendments down. Why? Because they want them wide open for illegal aliens.

Why aren't all the illegal alien supporters and mouth pieces (La Raza, Hispanic Caucus(pleased with the legislation)… Olbermann, Geraldo Hervera… ) up in a roar over illegal aliens being excluded? Because they know they can qualify. How do you explain away the fact, if one family member qualifies the whole family will receive benefits? No stipulations to prevent illegal aliens. The law is taken literally.

The only place illegal immigrants are mentioned in the bill is preventing them from getting “affordability credits”, in other words, a discount. Big deal! They can still buy into the plan and benefit from the plan.

Obama is a liar. This is not his first lie and I'm sure it wont be the last… it's what he seems to do best.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:09 am

The fact is that although there is no mandate for healthcare for dogs and cats, there is also NO DETERRENT and nothing that would keep our dogs and cats from using the system.

Nice catch eskimonana.


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:10 am

and tell them to stop paying for all this road work! I'm tired of the govt sticking its nose into everything. My kids don't need the govt to create, pay for and distribute textbooks. we have the bible!!! Tell them to keep their hands off of my food too, I don't need the govt telling me what is safe to eat. And don't get me started on the FDA.

(for those that are unsure, the lack of spelling mistakes ensure that this was satire)


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:11 am

You're such a good Christian!


eskimonana
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:15 am

@JimPA
The current bill as written does not offer/mandate healthcare to illegal immigrants. However, it does not deter illegal immigrants from using the system and everyone in congress, the senate and the President knows this. Joe Wilson was calling out the president for not telling the truth to the American people…after all, Obama himself said in his speech that anyone who doesn't speak the truth will be called out. Wilson was doing what Obama suggested.

@txman
It is the President and the other public servants (aka congressmen and senators) that are to respect the PEOPLE. When a president lies to the people whom he serves then he no longer deserves their respect.


Lenny
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:15 am

HR 3200 is not federal law. It is one of five proposals for healthcare reform. You should get the facts (and maybe an education) before posting comments.


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:16 am

show me the voting records on this bill where “Democrats have had several amendments before them to seal up but they voted the amendments down”.

If you can provide this data, then people will take you more seriously.
If you cant, then you're the liar.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:22 am

abigwall – How about some links supporting some of your claims?

“Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) which illegal aliens use to get free treatment at emergency rooms, was signed into law by Ronald Reagan in 1986″ Lenny

http://www.emtala.com/faq.htm

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoo…
False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered
One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that “5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare,” and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:
H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.
“Misleading GOP Health Care Claims” July 23

abigwall, you are a liar. This is not your first lie and I'm sure it wont be the last.


tinybobidaho
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:27 am

Good for you, Joe. At least we know you're not drinking the kool-aid. As for the posters on here who are criticizing Alipac, why don't you take a look at all the crimes committed by illegal aliens that we have in our archives. What do you think the chances are that eventually one of those victims could be you or a member of your family?

Seventy-five percent of the working illegal aliens come here are using stolen Americans' social security number. How long do you think it will be before they use yours?

We spend over $300 billion in tax dollars to let them stay here to take jobs away from Americans. When is that figure going to be enough? When it reach a trillion?

Why don't you people wise up?


bilbo15
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:28 am

Paranoia the Destroyer


eskimonana
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:31 am

@NoCivilWar
Quote
“HR 3200, JOHN HALL'S OBAMACARE MYTHS VS. FACTS

MYTH: HR 3200 prevents illegal aliens from receiving subsidized health benefits.
FACT: While section 246 of the bill states that “nothing shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States,” it is limited in scope and virtually meaningless in effect. Section 246 only applies to affordability credits (which are subsidies) and will not prevent illegal aliens from enrolling in the government-run, taxpayer financed public option health plan. Section 246 also does not contain any meaningful verification procedures to ensure that illegal aliens do not receive subsidies paid for by American taxpayers towards any private insurance plan, nor would it require verifying the immigration status of those enrolling in Medicaid.” (end quote)


bilbo15
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:31 am

Looks like you drank ALIPAC and the GOP's Kool Aid. Happy hallucinations.


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:31 am

Too funny (and sad). These “Christians” don't give a f-ck about anyone other than themselves. Ironically, in doing so they murder the future of their children.

Acting entirely on emotion and without reason they assassinate their own well being, and sadly, ours along with it. Fools. If they hate the guverment so bad they shouldn't use public schools, ride the bus, vote, or receive unemployment/disability.

The funny part is, if they go to another country they have a strong chance of a higher quality of life… The Economist (as of 2005) ranked the U.S. 13th behind Australia, all of Scandinavia, Ireland, France, Italy, etc.

Maybe if we try hard enough we can push our ranking below Nigeria's.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:32 am

eskimonana – The facts don't support your claims. More importantly Rep. Joe Wilson shouldn't of heckled the POTUS during a speech before Congress and the American people. Rep. Joe WIlson apologized because he know he was wrong to heckle the POTUS. His website is done because he doesn't want to take the heat.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) which illegal aliens use to get free treatment at emergency rooms, was signed into law by Ronald Reagan in 1986″ Lenny

http://www.emtala.com/faq.htm


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:32 am

and ya, I mean't to write “guverment” in crude mockery. :P


Rick A
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:35 am

I am so tired of all these dumbass Red State Republicans bitching about the government when we working people in Blue States pay proportionally more for their lazy fat redneck asses. The Red States have the highest rates of medical maladies (including diabetes, obesity and heart disease) and avail themselves of most of the government services such as welfare, food stamps and medicare. They seize most of the American pie and still bitch about how terrible it is.

These radical righties talk about secession all the time, especially now that they see an “uppity Negro” in the Oval Office. You know that tears the heck out of them all. Well, I say let the useless Red States go. They will be a Third World nation in no time flat. And then they will be the illegal immigrants trying to get back into our wonderful country. Joe Wilson can be their court jester.


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:35 am

I also want to clarify that I'm not pigeon hole-ing Christians into this. Most Christians I know are great people. It's just these right wing nut jobs that make me totally insane.


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:37 am

Totally, absolutely, right on! I'm now totally scared of illegals killing my family. They are “aliens” after all! Yes! We need more fear right now, I think. I know I want to fear more. Fear is so good for this country. Fear really brings out the best, don't you think. Better be afraid of those aliens!

Now, the funny part is, I'm actually (truly) against illegal immigration and realize it's a bad sitch. We ought to fine businesses that hire those guys and institute a work program for those awful jobs they do for those on continued unemployment. Why are we paying people to be out of work again?

Anyway, back to unreality, FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR. ALIENS WILL KILL YOUR FAMILY!

Also shouting at the Commander in Chief is so awesome! It's like disrespecting your coach in the locker room or throwing things at your mom because she's nagging you again. Awesome. Just awesome.

FEAR!


eskimonana
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:38 am

@JimPA
QUOTE
“HR 3200, JOHN HALL'S OBAMACARE MYTHS VS. FACTS

MYTH: HR 3200 prevents illegal aliens from receiving subsidized health benefits.
FACT: While section 246 of the bill states that “nothing shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States,” it is limited in scope and virtually meaningless in effect. Section 246 only applies to affordability credits (which are subsidies) and will not prevent illegal aliens from enrolling in the government-run, taxpayer financed public option health plan. Section 246 also does not contain any meaningful verification procedures to ensure that illegal aliens do not receive subsidies paid for by American taxpayers towards any private insurance plan, nor would it require verifying the immigration status of those enrolling in Medicaid.” (end quote)


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:40 am

yeah!! these Mexicans are soon going to give us blankets with smallpox on them, and then push us on to land they don't want, forcing us to have the highest alcoholism rate in the nation. Then we'll have to open casino's just to pay for basic care for our families.

And they sure do steal a lot of jobs. A lot more than the H1-B visa's that Bush allowed, you know all those engineering and science jobs that Americans lost to candidates that didn't even pay taxes here AND got free health care.

It's horrible what Bush is.. oh i mean .. It's horrible what Obama is doing. He's been in office since January and we already have illegal immigrants everywhere, high taxes and now you're telling me they are stealing Social Security numbers? He's really let this country go down the tubes fast. I wish we could go back to the last 8 years where none of this was a problem.


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:40 am

Agreed. If you hate the guvermunt you really should not use roads, schools, libraries, and bridges. You might also want to go without the military and also clean water. Stop accepting social security checks and of course, Medicare is a no no! Down with the guvermunt!!!


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:42 am

I'd be in the citizen brigade that stops them from re-entering. They'll be grossly obese and easy to target as they try to waddle over our 3 foot fences.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:42 am

tinybobidaho – You are all over the place.

Rep. Joe WIlson shouldn't of heckled the POTUS during a speech to Congress and the American people.
Rep. Joe WIlson apologized because he know he was wrong to heckle the POTUS. His website is done because he doesn't want to take the heat.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) which illegal aliens use to get free treatment at emergency rooms, was signed into law by Ronald Reagan in 1986″ Lenny

http://www.emtala.com/faq.htm

Rep Joe Wilson was wrong about illegals getting health care under the proposed plans.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoo…

tinybobidaho – Why don't you provide links to support you claims?


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:43 am

I see healthy Mexicans! HEALTHY MEXICANS! Arrrrggghghhhh!!!! Horrrible…..


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:45 am

you have to let us reasonable people escape first. some of us are not here by choice.


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:46 am

Obama is actually a Lizard Man from planet Q13. His intention is to mate with all under-age white girls. Or maybe he's just an intelligent black man. Kind of hard to decide which is worse, right?


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:49 am

Obama isn't even the President. That whole ceremony was faked like his birth cert. He's not even a man, he's a woman. He's not even black, he's actually a white woman in black face! Oh, and he sucks as president. I mean, who needs articulation and thoughtfulness, right?


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:50 am

I'd like to buy you a drink.


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:51 am

These days I'm suspicious. Are there any reasonable Americans left?


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:52 am

You too, lawlz! Irony is so fun. It's the only way I can deal with idiocy. Thanks for playing tonight!


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:55 am

Granted. Many Christians live Christian values. It just seems to me like the loudest “Christians” are the ones who don't do as Jesus did. It's like they're yelling to make up for lying to themselves and the world (and God).


nwesterner
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:00 am

Hey you all, tinybob had a good point, and something that you might want to give some thought to. Illegal aliens are working, quite often, with stolen social security numbers and stolen ID's. So lets say we implement a public option, and all the citizen has to do is to go and register for their health care, with their social security number and their ID….but wait, the public official says “you are already registered in Arizona”. Joe Public states he is not and lives in Illinois, always has. Now what can be done? Or the illegal aliens, with their stolen ID's and SSNO's sign up for the free health care, although they are here illegally, and the government says they normally could not have it, however, they appear to have credible ID and SSNO, so they get it, and no one follows up, and we ALL know how good the government is about keeping up on these thing?LOL….Now you have about, oh lets say 8-10 million that have been able to access the health care that Obama and his crew said they would not get. Don't think it will happen? Betcha it will, because it is already happening, people here illegally, using fake documents to get jobs, drivers licenses, home loans, car loans and even government benefits. This cost alone will burden our system so badly, it will literally ruin our nation financially. You think its bad now, just wait.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:01 am

Sorry, there are no links to common sense.

I know all about 246 and you are the misleading one. Jim, you don't even know what an “affordability credit” is. It's also clear that you don't know how to read Bills or understand the construction and meaning of Title, Section, sub section, definition, exclusion…

Factcheck “no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage”

True, No federal money will be given to them in the form of a discount aka “affordability credit” but they can still participate in the program at their expense and therefore benefit directly from tax funds and a program no illegal alien should even be in the US to qualify for. Nothing in the bill excludes illegal aliens from buying into the health care plan.

HR 3200

Title of Section: 246 “NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS” (Not legally binding)

Defined: Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

You realize those two statements have very different meanings.

Where in the bill does it say that illegal aliens will not qualify for the insurance plan? Where, what section, what line? You can't because it's not there.

I'm not going to waste my time playing the run all over the place game with you the subject is Obamacare, not EMTALA, which I'm very familiar with.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:03 am

I can't related to anything you are saying/asking? Your comments are just strange.


nwesternermoron
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:17 am

that is the stupidest fucking reasoning i've ever heard built on a string of hypotheticals and what-if's. you sir are you a goddamn moron


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:19 am

House Ways and Means Committee, Voted on the Heller Amendment

7/16-17/2009 Committee Consideration and Mark-up Session Held
You can get the details from Congressman Heller's office at 202-225-6155 (Office)

Better yet, get it from the Committee chaired by Liberal Democrat Charles Rangle. Don't forget to ask for the text of the amendment and the vote.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/contact.asp

Now that I've done your homework for you-you can retract calling me a liar.


jigsaw
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:23 am

HR 3200 does not verify citizenship. Therefore, how can Obama claim that illegal aliens will not take part in his health care plan? This is so disingenous as saying that illegal aliens will not be employed in the United States because labor law prohibits it. We all know that they do work illegaly, because there is no VERIFICATION!!!!
Obama is a liar, and Congressman Wilson called him on that!


Becky
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:24 am

I think it is so funny the double standard that the left use. It is okay to call Bush a liar but not Obama. It is okay for Pelosi and others to call the average American that has problems with the policies, names and being UnAmerican but the hecklers of Bush were exercising their American rights. How about the crowd that was yelling horrible things at President Bush and his wife when they left the White House, where was that outrage. I think the pot is calling the kettle black!


Becky
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:24 am

I think it is so funny the double standard that the left use. It is okay to call Bush a liar but not Obama. It is okay for Pelosi and others to call the average American that has problems with the policies, names and being UnAmerican but the hecklers of Bush were exercising their American rights. How about the crowd that was yelling horrible things at President Bush and his wife when they left the White House, where was that outrage. I think the pot is calling the kettle black!


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:27 am

No kidding, it's just a House Bill.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:28 am

Broken Record, I've already responded to this mess.


patriotOfTime
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:29 am

I said if you provided the data, people would take you more seriously.

Giving me a phone number or a web form does not equal giving data. Where's the voting data that you have? WHO voted for/against?

You score a 20 on your homework. I gave you 20 points for trying. I'm not putting a smiley face on this one though.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:33 am

Christ only healed one man at the bath house. Why didn't he heal everyone? Does that make Christ wrong and unChirstian because he didn't take care of the masses?

Matthew 7:1 Read it.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:36 am

I don't think you understand what Socialism is.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:38 am

Matthew 7:1

Jesus only healed one man at the bath house. What about all the others? Government didn't force him to heal everyone either.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:40 am

You know Jim, if EMTALA hadn't been signed, there would be fewer anchor babies around here.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:43 am

That was an ugly response.


Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:45 am

Joe Wilson is a fucking piece of brownshirt garbage.

why are fascist thugs elected to office, even in backwater states where the electorate is like the cast in deliverance?


Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:48 am

Here's my question…why are religious leaders so silent in this issue?

I was raised a Christian and I don't really recall Jesus as being a champion for Rich Men swathed in purple.

If you have so many US citizens who are in pain and fear from not having medical coverage, wouldn't you think that would prompt the Christian community to seek an answer that was worthy of something Jesus would proud of?

But instead, stunning silence.

It's as if Christian values don't really apply to dealing with issues of helping less fortunate in our society or creating a society where there is a safety net not just for the rich.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:53 am

Actually, patriotOfTime you called me a liar.

You mean to tell me, you are not competent enough to call the office of a member of congress and find out the information you want to know or claim doesn't exist?

I don't need your approval, it's beneath me.

Here is a list of the committee members. The ones on the left voted against the Heller Amendment and the ones on the right voted for it.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/members.asp

“The Heller amendment was defeated, thanks to the united front of the committee's 21 Democrats.”
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/colum…

I don't know why you didn't look it up yourself other than you were going to have to eat your words about calling me a liar.


ultravivid
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:58 am

Joe, is not a patriot. Joe is a piece of shit!


nwesterner
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:59 am

Not a sir……nor a moron. This is already how illegal aliens are getting benefits unless citizens within those states are fighting against it, and in many they have made the states more accountable, however, illegal aliens ARE getting benefits already, so what would stop them from accessing free government run health care with the fake ID's and SSNO's they already have?

I always find it interesting that when someone who supports socialistic agendas are confronted with ideas and thoughts that do not fit within their little field of what is right, and they have no valid argument, they resort to nasty names. Go ahead, you lend a lot of credence to the liberals side of this issue, calling people dirty names.


ultravivid
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:01 am

It's so ironic… the large majority of Americans that are opposed to univeral healthcare are christians?


Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:07 am

ALL YOU FUCKING POS DEMS SHOULD GO EAT A BAG OF DICKS


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:18 am

Where is it in the Bible that Christians are to be taxed by government and that they are to agree that the government will take their money and provide health care to strangers?

It's not there. There is not book of Robin Hood in the Bible.

This argument that you are unChristian because you don't support Socialized Medical care is unjust and misleading. Obama's taxed and government controlled health care plan sure isn't going to absolve you of any sin or get past the pearly gates, since you are forced by government to hand over your money for good deeds. A Christian will give willingly and not agreeing to Obamacare is not unChristian and agreeing to Obamacare does not make you a Christian.

Quit trying to send people on a guilt trip.


TJ48
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:18 am

Red states raise and grow the food you need, go ahead, cut off the supply. New York city itself will be out of food in less than a week…. stop this red blue crap, united we stand, divided we fall.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:21 am

Being wealthy is not a sin and the Bible says to tithe, not give your money away to everyone that has a problem. People with problems should turn to God, not man.


TJ48
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:21 am

illegal/immigrants have been a prob since i was a kid in the 60's, that i can remember, backing up a mere 8 yrs accomplishes nothing.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:24 am

This person has no credibility. Go to alipac and see for yourself.


abigwall
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:28 am

A troll with a sock puppet.


Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:29 am

Said Rep. Joe Wilson, “I extend sincere apologies to the president for (my) lack of civility.”

With the lingering, musty memory of Strom Thurmond (GOP), more than a century of Jim Crow politics (Dixiecrat and GOP), and the current resident embarrassment of the SC governor's mansion, Mark Sanford (GOP), we might expect Joe Wilson had important shortcomings in his own party to work on.

Instead, Wilson attempts distraction– the stalwart legislator proclaims his commitment to truth. Yet, the issue of truth is not kind to Wilson.

During the eight years of George Bush, Wilson was unabashed cheerleader for the GOP-sponsored DEregulation of Wall Street, leading to total collapse of financial markets in late 2008, and a national recession.

Hypocritically enough, Wilson shouts his dissent in the midst of a presidential speech. But Wilson said nothing when Columbia resident was jailed by SC authorities during a Bush visit for merely carrying a sign critical of Bush.


nwesterner
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:30 am

The reason is that so many of the Christians in this nation are doing what Jesus wanted them to be doing, taking care of others, and a great many of those are doing this in the medical field working in free and reduced clinics.

Actually get out in your community and find out who runs those free clinics, you will be surprised that a great majority of the people that do, are the Christians you bash, they have little time beyond their work for politics.


greg63
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:49 am

Didn't Jesus supposedly say “Render onto Ceaser (i.e. the government) that which is Ceasers (taxes).


Jerry
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

You can’t deport them all? Lets try it and see.


Jerry
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

You can’t deport them all? Lets try it and see.


royinoregon
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:56 am

Democrats will say no insurance to illegal immigrants and then after the bill is passed they will make it illegal for insurance providers to ask for proof of citizenship. This is done in several states in regard to drivers license, Education grants, traffic stops and voting. The courts will say it is racial profiling so all will be covered on our dime.


Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:01 am

did our Lord and Savior not go around healing people- for free? was he providing socialized medicine or acts of Godliness-
if you attended a public school or if your children do- are you a socialist?
are the elderly in this country who receive Social Security and Medicare socialists?
should we close all of our public community colleges and other public institutions of higher learning because they are socialized programs?

what about our disgraceful socialization of crime? maybe we should eradicate prisons-
it's too late for small government people- wake up!! if you are a citizen of this country and have a SOCIAL security number- you are already part of the largest bureaucracy there is-


double D
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:07 am

God bless Joe Wilson! I was driving in my car listening and when B Hussien O said illegal immigrants would not get health care, I yelled at my radio. YOU LIAR!

B. Hussien O IS A LIAR and finally an elected official had the guts to stand up and shout it!
Had I lived in Germany 70 years ago, I would have called Hilter a liar too!

Joe Wilson for President!


greg63
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:19 am

The public option will NOT be taxpayer financed. It will be financed just like every other insurance policy, by premium payments, which will be lower because 30% won't come off the top to pay CEO's multi-million dollar salaries, stockholder profits, and paying pencil pushers to find ways not to pay for needed medical care. For profit health insurance should be treated like the blood sucking vampires they are, drive a stake through their hearts and cut their heads off.


Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:19 am

don't be ridiculous of course there will be citizenship requirements- next year after the fight for health care reform is won- we will have amnesty :)


hesingswithfrogs
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:23 am

jibsaw … that's not right. Under HR 3200, Section 242(b) a person must be lawfully present in the United States to qualify as an “affordable credit eligible individual.” The bill requires the “commissioner” to verify eligibility and also allows other agencies to share information with the “commissioner” so the commissioner can verify eligibility.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:37 am

abigwall – I see you as a troll.


Men Named “Joe Wilson” Are Always Trouble For Presidents « Around The Sphere
Pingback posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:42 am

[...] Daphne Eviatar at Washington Independent: Perhaps Wilson believes that illegal immigrants ought not get emergency medical treatment, which is the only medical benefit they might qualify for — when they show up in a hospital on the verge of death, for example. [...]


royinoregon
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:48 am

I think you need to go back and take another look. Dems pushing home loans for everyone afford it or not was the major factor in the current problems with the economy. I am almost certain that was pushed by Former President Clinton, Congressman Charles B. Rangel and Acorn. The republican party tried to put some control on this to no avail due to Pelosi and Reid deep freezing all attempts at regulation.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:50 am

“Sorry, there are no links to common sense.”

I would like to call you by your first name but maybe a abigwall makes more sense. I asked you to backup what you are putting down as fact here. Common sense? To me you aren't using any. Illegals can go to the emergency room now because of EMTALA. See the link above. So you stated that they can “still participate in the program at their expense”. The government doesn't allow this. The illegal would be discovered. Is it your view that they would do this illegally?


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:52 am

abigwall – You failed to backup your “facts” with links.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:11 am

double D – If you would of called Hitler a liar, you would of been killed along with your family. When you compare OUR President with Hitler you show your lack of understanding of facts. Hitler wasn't trying to provide citizens with health care, he was trying to kill them. Well the Jewish citizens. Do you really think Hitler and President Obama are equal?


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:38 am

royinoregon – The Republicans held power more than you think.

George W Bush – Two terms 2000 – 2008.
Republicans controlled House and Senate 1994 – 2006 (more or less)
.
“In the 1996, 1998, and 2000 elections, Republicans lost Congressional seats but still retained control of the House and, more narrowly, the Senate. After the 2000 election, the Senate was divided evenly between the parties, with Republicans retaining the right to organize the Senate due to the election of Dick Cheney as Vice President and ex officio presiding officer of the Senate. The Senate shifted to control by the Democrats (though they technically were the plurality party as they were one short of a majority) after GOP senator Jim Jeffords changed party registration to “Independent” in June 2001, but later returned to Republican control after the November 2002 elections. In the 2006 elections, Democrats won both the House of Representatives (233 Democrats, 202 Republicans) and the Senate (49 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and 2 Independents caucusing with the Democrats) as well as the majority of state governorships (28-22).1994, 1996, 1998, 2000.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Uni…


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:42 am

The liberal media misquoted Jesus.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

You could have easily pulled up the voting records on the Library of Congress website. But you didn’t .

Your link was to an opinion column, sorry you still fail.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:56 am

You built everything on string of hypotheticals. The fact is illegals can go to the emergency room and get treatment already. President Reagan signed Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) into law.

To state that if, when and maybe is just speculation. You have to provide facts to backup your claims.

I always find it interesting that everyone throws around Hitler references.


mistynicks
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:10 am

Hey Joe,
You should invite the president over for a beer!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

The use of the word “Misquote” again – another way to lessen the sting of truth. Lets call it what it really is “LIE”! I think its better phrased. “The LIBERAL media Lied Again” – about Jesus, politicts, or what ever they report on. They (liberal media, Politicians in general, anyone in power, and any one who has anything to gain by not being truthful) just simply put it – LIE! They are all bad about that.


Calaghan
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:38 am

If obama and his cronnies want national health care they should be the first to try it. Joe Wilson is agreat American for his honesty regarding obama's comment during the speech last evening.

Hey how about all those czars obama appointed?

31 at last count.


thomaspugh
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:41 am

you did good send me add 10.00


dorothyfromkansas
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:43 am

Wilson spoke the truth on so many levels. Too bad he must now face the wicked witch of the west over it. The dems need to get it through their thick heads that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. We are no longer asleep and we are not going to let them shove their unconstitutional agenda down our throats.


mistynicks
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:44 am

Hey Joe,
You should invite the President over for a beer!


mactecatlanta
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:53 am

Is it Ceasar's because he say's it is? Last I checked, we are still a Republic with a voice. Once we become a dictator run country I might agree with you. But we are not. Idiot!


mactecatlanta
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:54 am

As are you for saying so


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

War and tax cuts for the rich.


Leonidas
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:56 am

Wilson wasn't just making stuff up.

http://www.cis.org/IllegalsAndHealthCareHR3200

Although the bill states illegal immigrants are not to benefit from the new affordability credits, this prohibition is without an enforcement mechanism. Congress voted down an amendment in committee that would have required the use of the SAVE program. Almost all other means-tested programs of the kind found in HR 3200 require the use of SAVE. As it now stands, the bill has a ban on illegal immigrants, but Congress has chosen to leave that ban unenforced. As a result, the nearly seven million uninsured illegal immigrants with qualifying incomes could receive affordability credits under the bill, creating billions of dollars in costs to taxpayers. If the final version of health care reform includes a public option plan and if illegal immigrants enroll in that program instead of receiving affordability credits, the costs would be less for taxpayers. Nonetheless, if the government became the direct insurer of illegal immigrants, the cost of covering them would still run into the billions of dollars.


mactecatlanta
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:58 am

He was just expressing his views aloud just as I was listening to a pack of lies.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_fact_…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

How about telling your kids this:

Wow! That’s the first time that has EVER happened. EVER! He could lose his job for that. And you can see that everyone is *really* upset with him. That guy is passionate about his opinion… he really cares about this stuff. He obviously lost his temper but I bet he’s gonna apologize right after the President is finished. Sometimes people lose it like that guy did… and there will be consequences for it, that’s for sure. I bet he was sorry for doing that as soon as the words came out of his mouth. What a gigantic mistake. But you know what kids… the President is a good enough man to FORGIVE him, that’s for sure. Even when people make big mistakes, they can be forgiven.

Also… not sure what you taught your kids by shutting off the TV? Intolerance?


jonsisler
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:18 am

Joe Wilson is a patriot, a truth sayer and a man I would vote for!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

An analogy:

It’s like having speed limits… without any enforcement! Sure, the signs are up, but there are no radar guns, no patrol cars to enforce. No one is looking for the speeders. If no one is looking, no one will be caught.

So even if the Bill says “no illegals allowed”, there is no process in the Bill to enforce. ALL BARK, NO BITE.

So, under the current plans, illegals WOULD get coverage.

That’s the way Bills work. There is always a section on enforcement. Documenting *how* a provision will be enforced (details). The “how” of enforcement is missing from the current Bill. It was left out on purpose.

If the President really means what he says, an enforcement section would need to be added. Of course, that is up to Congress.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

An analogy:

It’s like having speed limits… without any enforcement! Sure, the signs are up, but there are no radar guns, no patrol cars to enforce. No one is looking for the speeders. If no one is looking, no one will be caught.

So even if the Bill says “no illegals allowed”, there is no process in the Bill to enforce. ALL BARK, NO BITE.

So, under the current plans, illegals WOULD get coverage.

That’s the way Bills work. There is always a section on enforcement. Documenting *how* a provision will be enforced (details). The “how” of enforcement is missing from the current Bill. It was left out on purpose.

If the President really means what he says, an enforcement section would need to be added. Of course, that is up to Congress.


Buddy
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:26 am

Think you for being a real man and telling the truth about his plans for health care hold your head up high you have people that stand up for you……………………..


Ben
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:29 am

LOL. Joe Wilson in 2012!


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Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:30 am

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maryellenoleary
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:44 am

This was a disgrace. Does this man have no respect for the President of the United States? I have never seen or heard anything like this before. He should be removed immediately. His websites are now unavailable, if you were serious about your remarks you would be man enough to take the heat that is left to follow. Hopefully you will be dismissed from Congress. Your a disgrace and a coward. I guess South Carolina knows how to pick the worst candidates for Governor and Congress. Shame on you.


Cindy
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:44 am

, Damn Wilson made a complete Fool out of himself, how embarrassing! No Class Whatsoever!


Cindy
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:44 am

, Damn Wilson made a complete Fool out of himself, how embarrassing! No Class Whatsoever!


jmb1
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:54 am

Wilson is proof that with age doesn't come wisdom. What a jack —!


angelajones
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:55 am

You are a fool. When he was a baby he was given the name Hussein. I know that he is a very intelligent man, but even “my” PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (I luv saying that) was not smart enough, hours after birth to tell his parents to give him that middle name. Grow up America, keep listening to the Sarah Palin's (anyone who shoots wolves from helicopters is a real smart cookie, that is a fair fight).

SIGNED A REAL AMERICAN BORN AND BRED


Smergy
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:59 am

Hmmm, in this article I don't see Daphne, the writer, making any denial of the report that Illegal aliens will be included in the health care reform bill. I do see her attacking of those who oppose it but no denial….interesting. So, yes the question is, who's lying?

Have a great day.


Bob Kanner
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 12:06 pm

Joe Wilson, and I would not dignify him by adding the esteemed title of Representative) showed just how mean spirited and vitriolic the conservatives in positions of power on and off the airwaves, are. This country is still a beacon of democracy to the world and he broke the decorum of the Senate chamber and disrespected the Office of the President. As the President stated, he and his ilk should be called out each and every time they misrepresent the truth.


frenchofficial
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 12:34 pm

Joe Wilson issued his South Carolina statement: “I personally believe, that the U.S. President, is unable to tell the truth, because uh, some, people out there, in our nation don’t have truths. and uh… I believe that our education like such as in South Africa, and the Iraq, everywhere like such as… and, I believe they should uh, our education over here, in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa, and should help the Iraq and Asian countries so we will be able to build up our truth, for us.”


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

The thing is….

When writing legislation, what is LEFT OUT can be just as important as what they put in.

So your “read AND COMPREHEND” quip shows a lack of understanding on your part. This is tricky stuff. If they leave out a section, it makes a big difference, doesn’t it? So, it should be fairly obvious that if it is left out, you can’t read and comprehend it.

Wild, huh?

That’s the way Bills work. There is always a section on enforcement. Documenting *how* a provision will be enforced (details). The “how” of enforcement is missing from the current Bill. It was left out on purpose.

If the President really means what he says, an enforcement section would need to be added. Of course, that’s up to Congress. And as we see quite regularly, Pelosi doesn’t march in lock-step to Obama.

So… just ’cause he says it, doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen. Darn that pesky Legislative Branch!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

The thing is….

When writing legislation, what is LEFT OUT can be just as important as what they put in.

So your “read AND COMPREHEND” quip shows a lack of understanding on your part. This is tricky stuff. If they leave out a section, it makes a big difference, doesn’t it? So, it should be fairly obvious that if it is left out, you can’t read and comprehend it.

Wild, huh?

That’s the way Bills work. There is always a section on enforcement. Documenting *how* a provision will be enforced (details). The “how” of enforcement is missing from the current Bill. It was left out on purpose.

If the President really means what he says, an enforcement section would need to be added. Of course, that’s up to Congress. And as we see quite regularly, Pelosi doesn’t march in lock-step to Obama.

So… just ’cause he says it, doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen. Darn that pesky Legislative Branch!


DelawareBob
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 12:49 pm

Time for bickering is over, obama. Get rid of the illegal aliens! They are destroying our health care system! Get rid of all waste in medicare and medicaid! In the census, find out exactly how many don't have health insurance. Figure out the cost. See where we stand on the budget. If that is in good shape, pass some healthcare for those who don't have coverage until they get a job. Any problem with that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSe3C5vMafM&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ZnX9JRo5M&NR=1

Want more links to the costs of illegal aliens? Let me know. I got hundreds!!!

Willson did apologize, even though he is correct!


Jerry
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

Maybe the illegals aren't covered. Probably because they are going to make them legal.


Estoban
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

You are beginning to get the picture. We’ve had incompetents in office for quite a few years. That includes Republicans, Democrats, Senators, Representatives and Presidents. The idiot Senators and Representatives don’t even read the bills before they vote on them.


Estoban
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

You are beginning to get the picture. We’ve had incompetents in office for quite a few years. That includes Republicans, Democrats, Senators, Representatives and Presidents. The idiot Senators and Representatives don’t even read the bills before they vote on them.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Then you should definitely not use any roads, right? Cause government is in charge of those. Oh, and also bridges – don’t use ‘em! And, I mean, police and firefighters – screw those guys, right? Also, the military: what a bunch of slackers!

Please Please Please don’t accept medicare when you turn 65 and also please reject your social security check – after all that’s just the government messing up so bad.

In fact, we should just abolish the government, don’t you think? Oh wait, that’s right, you don’t think at all before you comment. By the way, a lot of what I write uses something they call “irony”. Also, you should know that government is a pre-condition for civilization. But, silly me, you’re not down with civilization are you? I forgot.

Oh, one more thing, I did look up the Matthew verse and lo and behold! You’re absolutely right, Jesus is totally against healing the sick! Who knew?!

Seriously, the only book we need is the Bible, because GOD wrote it after all, not some dudes a few hundred years after Christ’s death or anything… d


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Then you should definitely not use any roads, right? Cause government is in charge of those. Oh, and also bridges – don’t use ‘em! And, I mean, police and firefighters – screw those guys, right? Also, the military: what a bunch of slackers!

Please Please Please don’t accept medicare when you turn 65 and also please reject your social security check – after all that’s just the government messing up so bad.

In fact, we should just abolish the government, don’t you think? Oh wait, that’s right, you don’t think at all before you comment. By the way, a lot of what I write uses something they call “irony”. Also, you should know that government is a pre-condition for civilization. But, silly me, you’re not down with civilization are you? I forgot.

Oh, one more thing, I did look up the Matthew verse and lo and behold! You’re absolutely right, Jesus is totally against healing the sick! Who knew?!

Seriously, the only book we need is the Bible, because GOD wrote it after all, not some dudes a few hundred years after Christ’s death or anything… d


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Uh… not during a presidential address to a joint session of congress. Wilson’s outburst is the first in U.S. history.

It’s like calling your coach a liar right before the game during his pep talk… if it’s acceptable to you than you’re a total jerk.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Uh… not during a presidential address to a joint session of congress. Wilson’s outburst is the first in U.S. history.

It’s like calling your coach a liar right before the game during his pep talk… if it’s acceptable to you than you’re a total jerk.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

The Republican party is quickly becoming the party of hypocrites, crybabies, and quitters. They need adult leadership, and they need it yesterday.


Mark4life
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

SEC. 246 in HR 3200 or the House Health Care legislation, which is titled “NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS” which states “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States


ToJoeSixPack
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

To Mr. Wilson….

For the first time I invited my children to watch last night's speech on Health Care. I informed my children ages 12 and 16 to watch in hopes of teaching them a process within our country. To watch as our President who was invited by Congress to speak on a very important issue.

Early in the day they had heard the President's speech to school children. Instead of wanting to play video games, we had dinner and sat as a family to try an educate my children and to get them interested in the way our country handles issues.

How would you suggest we explain your behavior towards our President to my children? If you're own children were to show you the same disrespect you showed our President, what would you do?

Not 10 minutes before the speech I had talked to my kids and explained what bipartisan meant. How even though parties may disagree, we as a nation always give and take, for the good of our country and most importantly, we do it with respect.

After your outburst, I literally had to shut off our television in disgust. I spent the rest of the night trying to explain to my kids that this sort of behavior from a grown man is not appropriate, especially by those holding office.

You know Mr. Wilson, it doesn't matter whether you felt someone was lying or not. To disregard the fact that thousands of children were watching and to have no regard toward civility or restraint is beyond reprehensible.

I not writing this to tell you how disrespectful you were. I think inside you already know that. What I am asking is that you publicly apologize to the thousands if not millions of children who saw you make a mockery of our valued process and your public disrespect not for just our President, but for our entire country.

I'm sure your own parents were disgusted and ashamed by your actions. I know I would be. I feel sorry for the thousands of school teachers who today, have the ugly task of trying to explain your behavior. Our nation lives in a world were children have lost respect. For us and for themselves.

Thank you for making all our lives as parents in trying to teach our children core values just that more difficult.


ignorancethynameishayseed
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

So glad you're finally awake. That was a nice, long 8 year nap, huh, Dotty? Yes, while you were sleeping, dear heart, “your people” and the nuke-ya-ler Shrub administration sent this country to hell in a hand-basket.

I'm inclined to think you – and a lot of folks lately – are of Native American lineage. The protests and anti-immigration sentiment. Ohhh, the indignation! We hear you!

But, if by some chance, you are NOT of Native American descent?
The I would suggest you keep clicking your heels together, dear. And repeat after me, “There's no place like England…. There's no place like England…” and maybe, just maybe, the Mayflower will show back up and take you HOME.


sickofgoverment
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

Obviously Obama will say that health care will not apply for illegals, it's only for Americans, just he has no way of knowing if someone is actually illegal, so yes, he is a liar. Thank you Joe


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

Jerry – Don't let the facts get in your way. Maybe and probably because? Wow.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

Youtube is where I go for facts, NOT.

My solution: BUY AMERICAN. Don't do business with companies that support illegals. So ask question before you get your roof replaced and pay a little more.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:23 pm

“…has no way of knowing if someone is actually illegal, so yes, he is a liar.”

That is some tight logic.


tunes4life
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:25 pm

I get so tired of conservative posturing. Joe Wilson has shown what he truly is, someone who is looking to “make some kind of impact” no matter how good or bad that impact might be. What a joke. I'd be so embarrassed if I lived in S.C. Actually, I take that back, I'm embarrassed anyway. No wonder the Rep Party is going down the chute. These “holier than thou” individuals are single handedly destroying their own credibility. Wow, I used to vote almost excuselively down repub lines, being a wealthy technologist. I cannot believe how much that has taken a turn in recent months. These people are showing the world what fools they really are! Yes, that's right Joe – YOU are a fool!


dwanthony1
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

I agree with your ideology, however the manner of presentation to the office of the president is wrong. I think what you said to the man is absolutely correct. But the manner in which was done is disrespectful to the office he holds. I have done extensive research on emergency room overcrowding, wait times, utilization of our ER's for your primary care physician due to no insurance and the loop holes made in the COBRA act that allowed for the EMTALA laws to open our doors to anyone with or without insurance. The other problem that needs to be addressed is the court systems causing many to practice defensive medicine in the ER's arond the USA.


biznesschic
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

If you agree or disagree with the President is a non issue. Let me give you a test: Today at work during a meeting, shout at a fellow employee or your boss “YOU LIE” and see if you have a job tomorrow.


Jody Ozier
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

Every American should be outraged by ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS being in the USA, using our tax dollars, and abusing our health care system! We need to get them out and protect our borders. The laws that are written are ignored, and it is time AMERICANS get a backbone. I welcome law abiding immigrants that get here legally. OBAMA does lie, and you too will see soon enough because he does'nt care what the American people want and will cram this too down our throats!


Callie
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

Daphne is all over the place on the issue.I'm not sure what the point of this diatribe is, so I'll focus on the illegal immigrant healthcare aspect.

First of all, if there is a “secret plot” to provide free healthcare to illegal immigrants, would it not make fiscal sense for a troubled economy to actually pursue a current accounting of how many people we're talking about? Apparently not. We continue to trot out an estimate based, I believe, on a self-reporting immigration status from the census year 2000. It's as if noone has arrived in the US illegally since that time. The truth is, we have absolutely no idea how many illegal immigrants are in this country. It could be 15 million or 35 million(or more). This is the elephant in the room that our government and various ethnic interest groups–and others who somehow benefit from the ongoing influx— don't want to address.

If one wants to argue that it's only just and fiscally responsible to cover this unknown quantity—since they're here and ostensibly the backbone of our nation— might we ask just how many additional people we can afford to cover? Is the answer every person whose nation of origin refuses responsibility for its own? Does it include all those family members left behind who can be brought to the US if/when a mass amnesty is granted?

It's time Americans are given answers, e.g. how can we possibly pay for this? What kind of savings realized in, say, Medicare cuts, will be shifted to the care of illegal immigrants? What kind of mental shift is required for one to find such a counterintuitive idea acceptable?

We need answers, not childish name-calling and high drama from a suspect journalist. I'm not sure what purpose the ALIPAC dig serves, but If Daphne can't address the issue more seriously, maybe she should move on to something else. The lack of substance here has been duly noted.


Buddy
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

First of all Obama is not no bodys boss he works for the American people, He is paid by our tax dollars.

Bye the way it does not take a test to figure that out…………………………….


CCerol
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

Rep Joe Wilson is a rude jerk.
Just where are HIS brilliant ideas for reforming healthcare, while he enjoys
top of the line health insurance that I am paying for?
What is it with South Carolina? The Governor and now this moron.
What S. Carolina needs is decent representation.


CCerol
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

Rep Joe Wilson is a rude jerk.
Just where are HIS brilliant ideas for reforming healthcare, while he enjoys
top of the line health insurance that I am paying for?
What is it with South Carolina? The Governor and now this moron.
What S. Carolina needs is decent representation.


johncharls
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

Keep yelling, Joe! Dems can't take a little yelling of the TRUTH? Republicans should keep yelling until the usurper is gone. WHERE IS YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE?


DW
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:50 pm

Like most people who throw random capital letters into otherwise pleasant, intelligent-looking comments, you're a moron. For a great example of how being loud doesn't make you right, the article mentions Joe Wilson. Look him up.

Furthermore, re-examine your own comments. They have no clear focus and aside from using some of the same key terms, they have nothing to do with the above article.

Blaming the quality of our healthcare on illegal immigrants is ridiculous and borderline racist. It's an easy workaround loop that allows people already ascribed to the anti-Obama camp to find a way to call him a liar and throw up red herrings about the problems in our system. Furthermore, despite the claims made by people like you and Joe Wilson, they have little to do with one another. If my country is completely free of illegal immigrants tomorrow morning, if the border problems are solved, I still don't have health insurance. Most of my friends still don't have health insurance. Your argument, big loud letters and all, holds zero water.

Provision 241 of the bill: None of these reform benefits will aid illegal immigrants. Period. If you and Joe WIlson want to get together and look it up, you can. My guess is you won't due in no small part to the fact that exploring truth will force you and Mr. Wilson to act like reasonable, intelligent human beings.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

I don’t think we should start with legitimate American citizens that have served their country.

I think we should start with people that are here illegally and then commit crimes on top of that.

Big difference between those two scenarios. Hey… we gotta set some priorities.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Actually, I did and you can stop the lies. Very Obamaish of you.


mmpureza
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

Joe Wilson's remark is a disgrace and utterly regrettable. His conduct certainly demeaned his office and embarrassed the halls of Congress. With all the rumors and misinformation that his office is spreading, I believe he is the one who is living in a world of lies. I wonder if he realises it or is he too far gone out there…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

I’m getting used to being called names by the Democrats. Difference between you and Obama, Pelosi, Reid… is that they use more than one syllable words to describe their political opposition.


mikeparese
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

I think more Americans feel the same way as Joe Wilson stop with the liberal spin on everything and find out what the American tax payers really want not the liberal news spin on things


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

You looking for a crazy fight? Why are you running around talking about roads… etc. The subject I addressed was health care. My objection is my faxes being spent on health care. When I need to object to my taxes being spent on roads, I will address that on the proper forum, not just throw it in as a FAIL argument for the sake or arguing.

Where in the Bible does it say that Government was to heal the sick, with tax imposed funds? It doesn’t. In fact, the duty of healing the sick was placed on the Church and the Disciples. Give your money to the church, if you want all the impoverished ill to be taken care of. You are confused about government’s roll and the duties of the church. Don’t take it from me, read your Bible cover to cover, you will be enlightened.

Interesting how you express piety and Biblical quotes when disputing what I said, them mock the Bible.

I have nothing further to say to you. I can only lead you to the water, I can not make you drink.


silvatorries
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

Joe speaks for the majority in this country that want out laws enforced, and feel that amnesty rewards criminals. Like the Reagan amnesty in 1986, and the several that followed, another will only bring new waves into this country to wait for the next amnesty.

This is not the way for a country to set immigration quotas. We can't let others here illegally to take the place of those honest people who are willing to do it right. America was founded on moral principles, they need to be used now more than ever. Don't tell the next generation that lying works over waiting and doing it right.


pipefitter
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

All you that keep on saying Obama is lying forget the lies that the past administration gave us. those lies ended up having families in this country lose loved ones in a war that was the biggest lie ever.


kappa2323
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

The guy is a douche, nothing else can be said about that kind of behavior towards our current President, and a reflection of all past presidents of both parties who deserves at least our civility of respect.

I voiced my opinion by donating to his Democratic opponent. I hopes others do the same by going to http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/19079

This kind of behavior is not fitting to represent any district.


alsuglybaits
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

Well is not the Dems. in the process of making all illegals legal? Then in fact BHO would be lying, or at best distorting the truth. By the way Keith Olbermann is an admitted coward. As a veteran I have no respect for him, zero tolerance for a man that is an admitted coward, and thinks that what he has to say carries any weight with true hero's of this nation when in fact if he would read the Constitution he would see he is wrong, it is not an agenda, it is a promise we must keep and that has been paid for dearly by our military and great men Like Martin Luther King Jr! Obama has and still does out right lie! Set back and actually listen and hear what he has to say. In the end we will over come this attack on our nation. Some Americans are just slower to admit they've been conned, or are being conned!
Catch 219, how many of my black brothers and sisters also know that the Democratic Party has its roots in slavery? How many of the same think that they walked from the cotton fields? When in fact they were herded into projects given monthly checks and food and been enslaved by the very same party that owned their fore fathers! you are not free no political party will free you, stand up with America and say NO to the socialism and say yes to a United States of America! Next year fire Congress and this part of the Senate. Remove the Dynasties. Take back America and let those lead that are willing to lead from a common sense stand no left or right agenda just our children's future. Say no to the ACLU who is always trying to take your's and my rights say no to all who violate our rights we were founded on a belief in God not on just one denomination. but in all!


Jennifer
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

I'll be donating to Wilson's re-election fund straightaway. At last somebody has the guts to call out Obama on one of his myriad blatant falsities. The President uses words differently than the rest of us do: up is down and down is up…

I wish more members of our “representative” government would attempt to actually represent the will of the American people.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

So you believe the information is on the Library of Congress website. Then you pull it up. I’m not going on a wild goose chase for you. You post it, since you seem to be so knowledgeable.

I don’t play the wear the opponent down game because I have nothing of substance offer other than petty critiques of someone’s comment. I even predict that you will post the last word and it will be more of the same.

And as I said, since I’m not a liar as patriotOfTime accused me of being, there was a second attempt by Rep. Nathan Deal in July to exclude illegal aliens from HR 3200 by amendment but it was voted down by the Democrats on the Committee.

“On Friday, July 31st, the House Committee on Energy and Commerce passed H.R. 3200, the Democrat healthcare overhaul legislation. Congressman Deal, the Ranking Republican of the Subcommittee on Health within the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, joined all of his Republican Colleagues and five Democrats in opposition to the healthcare overhaul package. Unfortunately, H.R. 3200 was favorably passed out of the Committee by a vote of 31 – 28.”
http://www.house.gov/deal/


Carmen
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

Thank God for people like Joe Wilson! He is an honest man, something hard to find in Congress!
He is not afraid to speak up the truth!
I am sure he will pay for it dearly, but the American people will never forget his name.
When we finally clean up Washington, Joe Wilson's name will be on We The People's minds to help rebuild this once a great nation of ours!
Sincerely,
Carmen


Ktex
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

Figures lie and liars figure.

Fact…Illegals will not be able to enroll in the “Public” healthcare system.

Fact…they won't want to enroll because free is better than the public option.

When the public system coupled with a private system is available to all legal residents, then the illegals are the only ones not insured, therefore not paying. Worse than not enrolling, paying taxes, or paying a premium, illegals public option (the emergency room) is truly free healthcare.

So, Obama's not a liar, but a car salesman.

Joe, shame on you for apologizing. It's the continued “respect” we give to the President (whoever he is) that lets the mob mentality continue in Washington.


samuelgonzalez
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

I believe Joe Wilson represented the feelings of millions of Americans that differ with President Obama. The president wanted to use the theatrics of speaking in front of a joint session of congress to take advantage of his bully pulpit and his talent for oratory. But, he also opens the door to those who don’t want to buy what he’s trying to sell. That’s what Joe Wilson did and I fully back him up.

Samuel Gonzalez
thelasttradition.bllogspot.com/


merlinknight
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

It's about time for someone to speaks up for the people. Great way to get the point across and out there. I support Rep. Joe Wilson.
When you have illegals working, you have less jobs for the legals. When an employer can pay less for an illegal, you lose your foot hold on your pay scale.
I have seen construction workers take pay cuts just to survive. Where is the justice.
What part of illegal are you people having trouble with. Enforce the law and quit giving what you don't have away.
if illegals are getting free health care then someone is going to have to pick up the bill so the doctors and hospitals spread it out amongest the payers of health care. ( PERIOD )


mollie7
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

“Joe” Wilson (R-S.C.), is a total jerk and a disgrace to the people to the people of South Carolina. He Should resign.


Ktex
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

Wow, a call for respect an civility started with a comment “The guy is a douche.”

Typical actblue…talks out of both sides of their arse.


jred
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

I wish that Rep. Wilson had not of appologized for calling Obama on his lie. Obama IS A LIAR!!! He always has been and always will be. He will say whatever he wants to get what he wants. If we let him Pelosi and Reed have their way America might as well be called USSA (United Soviet Socialist America).
Obama is dangerous for America.


alsuglybaits
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

like i just said some people take longer to wake up please do not call those that have not woke up any names as they call those that have awakened! ie; jerk douche bag. People use this tactic when they have no facts to base their arguments on! Be calm they will wake up and see they are the few.


Paul
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Thank you Joe Wilson! 1st of all, I am tired of being lied to by the left and the right! Bush was crazy and Obama is a socialist. Wake up people Obama is not Martin L. King! We need Health care reform, bottomline. We need to be out of Iraq, but we are still there. I am tired of lies to get into office. There is one thing that is fact, every Democrative controlled state is bust! We can not fund everything! If you want Public Healthcare, then give up Social Security. Wait, they can't do that because we have to beat the odds to collect SS. Where does all the money that we put in go? Duh, back to the government! Medicare is bust!, name one program that the government runs that has done what it is drafted to do, Cash for Clunkers ringing bells. Obama I need you to game up, start planning forward, not just searching for the false fame of look I gave you health care. Here is another problem with big business, as soon as there is a Public Healthcare plan of anytype, some businesses will close out there plans, give the eyployees cash directly and be done with it. How many people are leaving this country to get health care verse how many people are coming into the states. We have alot of problems, Obama you are spending money that we do not have, USA is bust. Private industry is shrinking, trying to run leaner, and the Government is swelling. Let's look at the technolgy industry, Government Civil servents are greatly %ed as a waste of our taxes dollars. They show up a 9am, leave at 11am for a 2 hour lunch, come back to the desk and go home at 4pm, do you really need more of these types holding useless jobs? Overall, all of history's super powers have fallen, all of those countries never thought that they could be de-throaned. Fact, I am tired of lies from both sides, what is the truth, I read all of your posts, and still who is correct? What news show am I supposed to watch? I do my own research and both partyies are playing with words. So this is what I want, close down congress, fire them all, you want Obama to be king, fine. Congress and the house should be limited to terms, and if you cannot come through on your camp promises that got you elected you are removed! I see that fact that every state that is controlled by the left is bust! We are in trouble. Paul. To the Joe Wilson topic: If someone is representing the people and they are untruthful, then say it loudly, GOOD JOB! It is our role as Americans and right to question our leaders, at least I see something other than a quiet hand clapping session.


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

JRED: What world do you live in? Can you give even one example where Obama has “lied” to the people of this country? Or are you just one of the many non-independent thinkers (actually, non-thinkers) out there who take the B.S. the extreme-right crazies dish out on a daily basis to thwart any reform whatsoever in a country that is rapidly losing credibility and respect among the world, thanks to the last 8 years under Bush? Are you just so hateful and ideological in your non-thinking that you cannot entertain an idea different from yours, one that may actually help this country? How much experience do you have in the real world, much less in the healthcare industry? Do you realize that if we don't do anything at all, healthcare costs will bankrupt this country in 20 years? This is not about “left” or “right”, this is about containing costs in the long-term so that we as a country don't go broke paying for emergency care for the uninsured today. Get your head out of your ass.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

I was just trying to suggest you cite some sources on your tirade against these democrats that voted this way. I’m not the one making the argument that the president is a liar, you are.

If you’re making the argument, you need to back it up with facts. That’s the whole point of debate. You cant go by hearsay or link to a blog or an op-ed column.

And again, I only said you were a liar if you couldn’t provide data.

I got bored and looked it up for you:

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090731/hr3200_rc.pdf

Also, the text of 246, that is what they voted on :
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111dJcs1t:e176188:

you can actually look at the entire process here
http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=141&Itemid=85

When our government is working for the people, they stay pretty transparent. You can get all the info you need for a good argument if you look.

And the president IS NOT a liar on that point. If YOU cite July 31st version of the bill, there’s nothing in 246 that conflicts with what Obama said. Obama is only looking at what they bring to him. He’s not going to follow the whole procedure on every bill.

And my last word? Its nothing shocking :

We should all be checking in on these guys, and using our own brains and not just blinding following talking heads ,left or right.


BajaRat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

Wilson was right about that knuckle-dragging Marxist in the White House since said Marxist fails to mention that there is no way to determine whether or not a person is in the country legally… thus border-hopping parasites will be covered by default.

I'll bet the writer of the above article is also a big fan of Van Jones too… just like Commander Kenya.


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

so much for intelligent debate. what was i thinking when i started reading this blog?? there is so far, no intelligent discussion going on here. just abunch of crazies ranting– and i'll venture to guess half of you have never done your homework on these matters you're ranting about. bottom line, it's a sad day when the “leaders” of this country have no respect for the President. but Joe Wilson, rude and mannerless, and I might add, with no class, simply represents the sector of the population that elected him. so we shouldn't be surprised.


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

BajaRat – you're a racist, plain and simple.


BajaRat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

Wilson certainly has some juevos, eh? He was the only one in that chamber of horrors to call out that lying NWO puppet. The only one! The man deserves a medal. South Carolinians should be very proud of Wilson for not going with the flow and drinking the Kool Aid that the White House Louse has been peddling since he worked for those ACORN crooks.


BajaRat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

You haven't yet figured out that Obama is simply the latest in a long line of puppets doing the bidding of the loathsome CFR, Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, and assorted and sundry other elite? Wake up! There's no difference between the Dems and the GOP. Obama = Bush on steroids.


cupolaone
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

It is about time someone stands up and calls right, a lot of people may not like it but i was brought up to call it like it is, If it's a snake call it a snake. If our president stands up and out wright lie's to us that is just as bad as what a lot of people are saying about wilson, to me it is alot worse. And i have had a bate of people going back and bring up the past presidents lies. This is the present day to go forward and that is what is needed, but all the white house wants to do is fight with their self's. It is time we get someone in the white house that will do the wright thing for americans and it's way past due. We need a big change in the white House & in congress the whole dam place needs cleaning up and it's comeing, they are all crooks, there out for themselfs and not AMERICA.


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

Learn to spell, then someone may take you more seriously.


TJ48
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

shariwj… is that the best you can come up with; mock cupolaone… for spelling? Sad… very sad.


thesolidarius
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

Go Joe!!!!!! Obama is a liar!!!!!


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

no… actually, the mocking only came as i realized how ridiculous most of the responses on this blog have been – scroll down and you'll see some of my frustrations; starting with Jred, then BajaRat… tell me now, how am I supposed to take these people seriously? if they are racist and ignorant, and cannot spell, this just leads me to believe I am wasting my time thinking i could have any intelligent debate on this site. so i'll leave you ignoramuses to it. have fun!!


kappa2323
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

If he talks like a monkey, acts like a monkey, then yeah, he's a douche
 
typical actRed, maybe you guys talks so much about arse is because you must like it on both ends


TJ48
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

One example: Obama said the stimulus package had no ear marks… it has over 7000 of them.


Shar
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

Joe was telling the truth.

Fact: When a republican wanted to introduce an amendment on the floor of the house, to claifiy that illegals would not receive health care, the Democarts would not allow it…WHY? there is only one reason, they are going to get it!

The border is still wide open, anyone who thinks the illegals here are the only ones who will qualify, or we Americans will pay for, think again, they use the emergancy rooms and we will pay for each and everyone still crossing the border.

They need to close the border and deport law breakers…if they don't send the right message this invasion on America will never end and they know it and our counting on it to integrate our country.

Way to go Joe:

In America you earn respect, it just doesn't come with the office!


TJ48
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

BajaRat… Can't argue with that.


a_k
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

HR 3200 has a line that says:

“Nothing in this title shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

Either people cant read or THEY are the ones that are lying.

Poor republicans.

Anyone co-signing Wilson is no more than a easily led sheep….

More than likely a racist mad because they are losing their majority slowly, but surely.

It's funny.

Again:

“Nothing in this title shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

It's says it in plain english.

Step your reading game up and try again.

Thanks.


BajaRat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

Yeah, anybody who doesn't go along with that Marxist POS in the White House is a “racist” to simpletons such as yourself. Too funny.

PS — How


a_k
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

Hmmmm….no one replied to this comment.

I wonder why.

LOL!


BajaRat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

The 'Rats removed an amendment that would have required applicants to prove that they were in the country legally…. thus there is now no requirement in the bill to verify eligibility, genius. Illegal alien parasites would be covered by default. Take that you your Messiah huckster, eh?


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

TJ48: Ok…. now we're talkin'…. thanks for pointing out the earmarks issue. To debate your point, the budget in question that does contain almost 7000 earmarks was proposed last year in the previous administration, and was only passed in February (Obama's first month in office) to keep the government running for the rest of fiscal year 2009. The White House argued then that the pork-laden bill — which increases federal spending across a range of Cabinet departments by 8% — and which is part of the prior Administration's legacy, will be scrutinized tremendously in 2010, and over the next three years you will start to see the earmarks reduced to a 1994 level of nearly zero. That was his statement. I still can't concede that Obama has lied about anything. But am open for discussion!


mike7777777
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

An analogy:

It's like having speed limits… without enforcement! Sure, the signs are up, but there are no radar guns, no patrol cars to enforce. No one is looking for the speeders.

So the Bill says “no illegals allowed”. But there is no active process to enforce. NO TEETH.

So, under the current plans, illegals WOULD get coverage.


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

hahhaahahahaha!!!! “simpleton” that is funny. by the way – how much do you even know about Marx? Marx was a good man. maybe you're thinking of Stalin, and you are getting the two confused??? oh– you probably haven't done any reading in this area, so i won't belittle you too much.


Estoban
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Obama took an oath that he would uphold the Constitution. ArticleIV, Section 4 says he has to protect us from invasion. He hasn't. Between 12 and 40 million lawbreaking illegal aliens have invaded and occupied the United States. He lied under oath. More lies by Obama – No pork, no lobbyists and no secretiveness.


Ktex
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

well then….I guess you told me.


a_k
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

Hmmm….

So i guess they wouldn't need an ID or DOB or SSN or Address or phone number, huh?

Someone can just walk in and say…”hey…I want insurance.”

And then BAM….they're covered.

That simple, huh?

Seriously….is that all y'all got?

Comedy.

SEC. 246 in HR 3200 titled “NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS” – “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

I know it may be difficult for you, but try to read AND COMPREHEND the quotes above.

Thanks.


monkey99
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

What are all you whiny Repubs complaining about now?!

The bill hasn't even gone through the process yet. Things will change, just as this will. No one wants those who don't pay into the system to reap rewards they are not entitled to receive. The final bill will reflect that.

You Repubs need to sit back and take a few deep breaths, and relax. Stop with the “Chicken Little” crap. You see a Socialist/Communist/Fascist/subversive/double agent/partridge in a pear tree everywhere you look. Step outside the echo chamber. smell the fresh air. No, you won't have to dodge big pieces of sky. Maybe then, we can talk.


afwade
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

Oh, you mean just like former President Bush? Or did all these illegals just start streaming into the country after the election? And don't even get me started about the invasion of Iraq – talk about lies, pork, and secretiveness!


a_k
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

HAHAHA….has any president in history ever stopped illegals from getting into the US?

Think it over, genius.

You cant blame Obama for illegals.

By that logic….blame, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Raegan, Carter, Ford, Nixon…etc.

You have got to be kidding.


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Wilson's actions were indeed shameful. While I completely agree with every American's right to be critical, and loudly so, about their government – the country was after all founded by ornery English colonists who generally held the notion that being able to abuse your government if you did not like it was a natural right – Congress is not the place for such antics. I'm not opposed to citizens showing up at those town hall meetings and shouting at their representatives and carrying on if they are angry, so long as they are informed about the facts of what they are protesting, which of course most of the protesters at the town hall were not and thus they looked childish. But for a Congressman to shout such an insult at the President in the middle of speech to Congress is uncouth and not in keeping with the better principles of American government.


a_k
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

thank you, afwade!!!

LOL!!!

All the illegals waited until Obama was sworn in 8 months ago..and then decided to come on over and go wild and crazy!!!

HAHAHA!

You see the IQ's we're dealing with here, afwade?


afwade
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

If we're going to deport law-breakers can we start with Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

oh my god – Estoban has topped them all!!!! the most ignorant of the ignorants!!!!! can you people believe “40 million lawbreaking illegal aliens have invaded and occupied the United States” since the beginning of Obama's presidency 8 months ago?? WOW!!!!!! this is what i'm talking about – truly ignorant and ridiculous statements like that one – how does anyone take you folks seriously? this is why our country is laughed at around the world.


Blair
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

People, go to your local health departments and you will find “illegals” have been getting healthcare payed for out of “your” dollars for years! Know your facts!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Sounds like you need a good, old fashioned waterboarding.


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

shariwj shariwj shariwj shariwj:
REP Joe Wilson, makes me extra proud to be a South Carolinian today!!!
To shariwj: You have such a warped and ill informed ideology of what is going on in this country.
But first watch this as to just one lie your piece of shit “President” told.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-4wPVwNEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQY_9ZcsjpQ

You obviously have your blinders on and only see what you want……. Your a bigot.
Healthcare will be broke in 20 years? Ok, TWENTY YEARS you fool! so why push something like this gov run healthcare in six months? Oh and I love how Obama admits we are broke, but then has tried to let a BANKRUPT Government bailout a BANKRUPT Banking system….COMMON SENSE is authorized as President,………… OR IS IT?

Back to the story now, I will be donating money to REP Wilson to be re-elected, he is not scared to stand up to this usurper. We did not get where our country has got by always being politicaly correct, or biting our tongue for fear of what others might think!! Our founders were GOD-fearing wise men who understood that freedom is not free, and were willing to pay the price to always have it…………. Whatever that price was. But you, I am ashamed to call you my fellow countryman, you are a spinless piece of flesh who if our founders were anything like you we would never have made it through the first winter you scum sucking degenerate piece of filth, do you homework before you pull your shit covered head out of your ass and open your blow-hole!!


Jerry
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

Perhaps illegal immigrants shouldn't be here OR sent back home after they are treated in the Hospital? Perhaps ……………..Perhaps


BajaRat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

So do you see specifically where in the bill ITINs, matricula consulars, or other bogus forms of ID are excluded? Where's the provision REQUIRING a valid SS number or other verifiable ID? Hmmmm….

Remember the border fence fiasco? Remember that the House of Horrors mandated a fence be built from Brownsville to Imperial Beach, much of it double-layered? What happened to that? Oh, yes…. some of it was de-funded, and then that Texas RINO witch Kay Bailey Hutchison tacked on some amendment to an important bill that allowed Chertoff and his criminal ilk to define exactly what a 'fence' was (turns out much of the fence is now a 3' vehicle barrier that a 10-year-old kid can step over)?

Listen, you can buy the BS being peddled by that scumbag in the White House if you want. Not I. If you actually have any trust in a POS who hired the Marxist likes of Van Jones and Cass Sunstein then you deserve what you're about to get if this passes.


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

jeezuzchrist: No his actions were not shameful, if the freedom of speech can be looked down upon, and suppressed on the HILL, were our rights are to be represented…………. how long before your right to call it shamefull is taken away???? Rep Wilson is a True Patriot!!


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

This is what happens when people spend all their time in the angry fringe. They begin to believe the whacky conspiracy theories are real and that petulant outbursts constitute appropriate behavior.

If the Republicans don't want illegal immigrants getting healthcare access (which they won't receive, under the proposal), they should help shape the legislation. Proper conservatives would help craft a better bill. Unfortunately the Republican Party are no longer conservative, they are reactionary obstructionists. They're concerned with power (and corporations), not serving their constituents.

They use the approach of throwing out the baby with the bath-water. The claim of illegal immigrants getting healthcare (along with the dozens of other false and misleading claims they make) aren't about crafting better legislation. They're about raising opposition to legislation through fear and hatred.


a_k
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

Why in the world would an illegal alien sign up for a public program for US citizens?

Wouldn't that OUT them as an illegal?

Why would someone snitch on themselves?

Call me wild and loopy, but uhhh…attempting to sign up might not be too smart for an illegal. lol

I'm pretty sure that somewhere on that form they would have to fill out will include:

A box requesting 4 things:

1. Name
2. Date of Birth
3. Social Security Number <—that is key
4. Home Address

Will there be ways around it by lying…of course.

People lie all the time.

It's illegal to drive drunk, molest a child, kill another human, and yes…speed.

But it happens daily.

That logic you're using is flawed.

Try again.


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

like I said… Joe Wilson is a representative of the people that elected him. your irrational and undereducated rant is no surprise to me. i'm not a bigot. a snob, maybe, but no bigot. jesus… control yourself.


Jerry
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

Daphne Eviatar, is a Moron!!!!


BajaRat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Eastoan said: “Between 12 and 40 million lawbreaking illegal aliens have invaded and occupied the United States.”

Where's the part you are whining about… you know, “since the beginning of Obama's presidency 8 months ago”…???? I'll bet you make crap like this up all the time, eh? LOL!


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

This is not a free-speech matter rather a protocol matter.


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

jeezuzchrist: You truly are a complete IDIOT, who obviously takes others word for fact! Go do your own research before opening you mouth. Have you read this bill??
ARE YOU AN ILLEGAL ALLIEN?
I must end this now as I will not debate with a blundering IDIOT!


a_k
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Obama's a scumbag?

He never lied about WMD and sent troops over to Iraq to die for a lie.

How/Why exactly is Obama a scumbag?

Hmmm….lemme guess…..is it because he's black?

Awww…Are you mad? :(

LOL!


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

Thank you jeezuzchrist (nice username, btw)!! Now, is it just me, or do you see a pattern of irrational & unintelligible ranting with little to no thought-process applied in these blog replies? I agree that the Republicans need to do a better job of offering better legislation rather than spending their time fear-mongering, which they are very skilled at. Unfortunately, the misinformed and uneducated (which seem to be the majority of folks on this blog) are the easiest to mislead by playing on their fears. IGNORANCE = FEAR.


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

don't waste your time, jeezuzchrist. — iraqiwarveteran doesn't know what the word “protocol” means.


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

Yeah… ok lets toss another right to the roadside you fool!


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

Free-speech isn't a right but a responsiblity.


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

No, what I see is your Scum-bag ass giving this pole smoker a reach around for saying some thing (NOT TRUE) your spineless ass could not think of!


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

See you at the REVOLUTION IDIOT!


palinpanties
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

Good luck at that 'Revolution'. Something tells me you'll be one of the first to go down. Your big fat head makes a great target.


americanwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Hey, iraqiwarveteran – are you really an Iraqi? If you are a veteran of the war in Iraq, you would be an Iraq War Veteran. If you are a citizen of the nation of Iraq who also happens to be a war veteran, then you would be an Iraqi war veteran.

Hmmm. Who's the illegal immigrant now?


jred
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

I do work in healthcare. And from FIRST HAND knowledge – A socialist based plan like Obama and his supporters want is not the answer and it's not good “REFORM”. Its even more hazardous to the American economy than what we currently have. You say 20 years with the current but with socialism based Obama healthcare it would be much sooner. The problem is that those of you that entertain that a socialist idea is the only other way to go are greatly deceived (OBAMA lie #1 for purpose of this post).

This Lying president and his partner cronies in public office supporting him dont really care about anything except their ADGENDA. They dont want you to THINK for yourself and realise that they have and ADGENDA. That is another Obama is Lie #2. The proof of this is in his actions. The healthcare issue, economy, etc., are all tools to get the nation where they want it. Socialism. Bankrupting the nation by all this spending they are doing is a fact that points to the truth. Common sence tells you that if you do not have the money to spend then do not spend. (Thats called wisdom and independant thinking, good economics – shariwj.) Besides healthcare wont be the single most issue that works toward bankrupting the nation or any other nation for that matter. (Thats a liberal based idea made up to BULLY Americans into believing that socialistic idea's are the only answer; another Lie of OBAMA and his supporters #3). It is the policymakers unrestrained spending and Policies that are going to play a big part if not the largest part of it and not just Obama but any who would follow his pattern. You just go ahead and listen to Obama lies, Just try running a business of any size in the same pattern he is running the country and it would go bankrupt within a less than a week. Now he wants to get congress to approve another $900 billion in spending according to what I read on MSNBC yesterday (by the way is a liberal backed media source). It APPEARS to those of us independant thinkers that are trully aware of the fact that their is an Adgenda that Obama and his crew are intentionally working toward bankrupt America.

As far as entertaining idea's – I do not have a problem with ideas as long as those ideas do not infringe upon or threaten the rights our national forefathers and our military have so long fought and paid for with their blood to leave us for a National Heratige. I do have a problem when socalist ideals are shoved down our throats as the “only option” (Obama Lie #5) and we are not allowed to say that we dont like them or protect ourselves from them or even give a differant option as has been done. Socialist do not like it when the independent thinkers want to stay independent because they lose the very thing they want more than money and thats CONTROL over others. It not about money with Obama and his party – It's about power and control that Obama and his party want. The way for them to get that is to remove the obsticals of Independant thinking (which you shariwj claim that I do not do) and those who do oppose their BAD idealology.

Sounds like you too shariwj have been brainwashed by their comunistic, socialistic retoric and have stopped THINKING for yourself. Now you too have been inducted into the leagues of brainwashed socilaists ready to ridicule down those who still want to maintain our constitutional liberties and independant THINKING.

Also Not everything going on now can be blamed on the Bush administration (Obama Lie # ???who know the count to this one? I have lost track how many time I have heard him and read where of Obama and his cronies blames Bush). Only the SOCIALIST Brainwashed like you have really fallen for that line of lies bouyted by Obama and his crew. Remember back when we also had 8 years of a Bad Clinton administration BEFORE Bush which contributed to the issues we now face. In fact you can go even farther back to the Jimmy Carter (A DEMOCRAT) administration to lay more blame of this current economic state. Carters administration is actually where a lot of this current economic problem originated because of the policies he signed into law. By the way something which Bush attempted to bring light to and change while he was in office but was hampered again by guess who? Pelosi and Reed AND OTHERS OF THE SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS OF AMERICA who kept saying things like “Bush's ill-advised policies”.

Hows that for independant thinking – mr socialist brainwashed shariwj?


mike7777777
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

At the very, very beginning of the Health Care Reform push, President Obama called for bipartisanship in a big way. Excellent. Perfect. Great job.

BUT… unfortunately, Nancy Pelosi *completely* tossed that aside and had the base Bill written *entirely* by Democrats. ZERO INPUT FROM REPUBLICANS. Didn't matter what the President asked for… Pelosi did her own thing. Here attitude was this: “we won… we write the bill”.

Then it went to committee where, of course, by design, there is a majority of Democrats on all 3 House committees writing HCR legislation. As I watched hours and hours of committee meetings on C-SPAN, I saw many, many party line votes when Republicans offered Amendments. It was unreal! This is all available on C-SPAN's website for your viewing pleasure. If you like seeing Republicans shot down repeatedly, you will absolutely LOVE that set of videos.

Regardless of merit, they voted down Amendment after Amendment using their Democratic majority. Man… there were some great ideas shot down. I repeat, REGARDLESS OF MERIT.

I expect that someone will reply with “there are 167 Republican Amendments in the Bill”. True. But take a look at the *substance* of those Amendments that the Democrats allowed in. Administrative items. Minor stuff. No substance. But it gives the appearance that they worked with the Republicans. If you REALLY look at the Amendments that were adopted, you will see what I mean. The Dems tossed 'em a few bones, and the rest was all party line votes to shut them down.

Those are the facts.


Wilson is Douche
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Actually H.R.3200 Sec. 246. says: “No Federal payment for undocumented aliens.”
Wilson is just another fact less douche bag. He should stay home with the secessionists.


BajaRat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

“A responsibility,” you say? WTF have you been smoking?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

Amazing.


justconcerned
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

ALTHOUGH I THINK HE WAS BEING RUDE I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO START I would like to see some kind of reform happening, it would not be fair for some to pay more then others so is it going to be a flat fee for each individual or family ? what is the cost going to be? Is it going to be like a tax? is it going to be based on income?
I heard that they going to impose a fine for not having health care It's absurd and disturbing to me. ARE WE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE JAILED FOR NOT HAVING HEALTH INSURANCE ? It won't stop the illegals from having Health care or food stamps Just screw with American Citizens more …… Witch if they are listening People are tired of that…… Like George Lopez said in His Special TALL, DARK & CHICANO (WHO IS IN CHARGE NOW…AND THAT THEY ARE HERE TO STAY…AND MORE COMING BECAUSE NO ONE IS WATCHING.. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RACIST BUT I BELIEVE THAT ITS ALL TIGHT IN WITH HEATH CARE. I REALLY WANT PRESIDENT OBAMA TO BE SUCCESSFUL BUT IS UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE STILL GOING TO BE A STATE PROBLEM ? THEY ALWAYS QUALIFY BECAUSE THEY KEEP SAVINGS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, AND IN THIS COUNTRY YOU NEED TO BE ALMOST HOMELESS TO QUALIFY. I NEED PRESIDENT OBAMA TO BE MORE CLEAR ON THIS MATTER


mike7777777
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

You're kidding, right?

Every day, right now, thousands of illegals get benefits in the USA. Do some homework if you really want to know what illegals can get just for the asking. It varies by State, so keep that in mind as you are looking around. I hope your eyelids are not stuck to your forehead when you see how crazy it is in this county. Brace yourself.

The point that is being made is this: the rules are not being enforced. Not now. And not in the Bill the has been presented.

That's the truth. Verify it for yourself. Or, as I suspect you will do, save some time and just stick with your version. It's not gonna matter either way.


pachinko
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

I have recently returned to this country after an absence of more than 16 years and did not vote for Mr. Obama but you can bet your bankroll I will not miss that opportunity in 2012.
Rep. Joe Wilson is the personification of IGNORANCE, and hopefully a member of a fast dying breed of Republicans who never used their heads but only their noses which were buried in George Bush's sphincter muscle. Now they are wondering around in a state of confusion looking for another haven to bury their noses.
He and others of his low caliber feel threatened by a president who dares to be different and not do things the good old boy/old fashioned way. President Obama is, in my humble opinion, just what this country needs; a wonderful breath of fresh air, someone who dares to be different. Will he be successful in everything he attempts to do? Realistically I don't think so but He deserves an A+ for his efforts to bring about needed change that is long overdue.
You go Mr. President. I'm an old guy (74) who thinks you are doing a fantastic job in spite of the swill that is left from the last presidential fiasco. After a lifetime of voting Republican I will not be so careless in future elections. Rep. Wilson has cured me of that political one sidedness. I do hope that the esteemed citizens of the state of South Carolina will not continue to allow such an undisciplined boor to continue representing them in the U.S. Congress. Thank you.

Joe Fitzpatrick, jtf@asia.com


brendanm
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

I'm sure that you mean “Moran.”


TruthSeeker
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

If you're a liberal, you're for government healthcare for all. If you're a liberal, you're also for amnesty for the 12 million illegal aliens. So, liberals, let's first pass government health care for all, and then pass amnesty for the 12 million illegals. Hey, guess who is then covered by government health care. Neat plan – very liberal.


Shar
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

If it wasn't for the “ornery English colonists”, Canada and the United States would be a 3rd world country like most of the American continient…take a look around the world, which countries are industrialized nations and which are 3rd world country's? we are expected to take in all of their poor and let them run the U.S. into the ground like the countries they are running from. We are a nation run by “We The People” problem is we have let them shut us up for way to long, now is the time to speak out and take it back.

It is the duty of every American to speak out, it is part of the priviledge of being a citizen, citizenship comes with responsibilty….something some people can't comprehend ( responsibility)

This is what comes from the left running our public school system…they have tweaked history for PC and we are losing what made this country great, pride in being Americans and what we have accompllished as a Nation…the greatest on earth I might add.

Respect is earned it does not come with the office!


brendanm
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

Welcome back, sir, but I have to warn you that this site is currently overrun with “trolls,” who are individuals not interested in rational discussion, so I'd be careful posting your email address.


randywilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

God bless Joe Wilson for speaking what we were all thinking. Obama is a socialist and is going to lead us to even bigger government and ruin. Joe Wilson had the nerve no courage to say what needed to be said. Respect for the office you say? The office is help by a fraud I have NO respect for it either. Revolution grows near you liberal retards and I look forward to see you on the field of war.


brendanm
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

Legal residents. So you admit that Wilson is a liar?


mike7777777
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

The Bill says that… but does not deal with enforcing that provision. Totally silent when it comes to making sure that provision is acted upon.

It's like having speed limits… without enforcement! Sure, the signs are up, but there are no radar guns, no patrol cars to enforce. No one is looking for the speeders.

So the Bill says “no illegals allowed”. But there is no active process to enforce. All bark… no bite.

So, under the current plans, illegals WOULD get coverage. Today, all over the country, illegals get benefits. BIG TIME. There are even “sanctuary cities” that afford them safe harbor. Do some searches. It's unreal.


mark3
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

3 Cheers for 'Joe' Wilson. He stated what most American feel. But for a President to lie to America in front of Congress or under oath deminishes the office.

'O lied, Joe Cried'

Good for him!


BajaRat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

Ah, the race card, eh? Listen, Commander Kenya is 16% “black.” The race card doesn't work for this latest NWO weasel.

Obama is indeed a scumbag. He lied about 'transparency.' He's lying about this health care scam. He has overseen the continuing destruction of our economy… you know, the one he's helping foreign banksters to steal. He lied about Iraq and Afghanistan. He appoints overt Marxist vermin and is unapologetic about it….. sheeiiit, that wackjob Cass Sunstein thinks that animals should have the right to sue humans for Christ's sake! The guy sucks…. unless you're another Marxist scumbag. Does the shoe fit? Hmmmmm….


monkey99
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

iraqiwarveteran,

If this dukeybrain calls himself an “americanwarveteran”, he must be about 245 years old. Have respect for your elders!

His circular logic is interesting…..If you are, then you're not. If you're not, then you are. If so, then you MUST be something else. This is why they have no answers: If you can, then you can't, if you can't, then you can, if so, then you won't. I dunno, sounds familiar, doesn't it?


Gilliam
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

I would like to raise a question to those of you who are of the opinion that illegal immigrants are going to be allowed health care. Have any of you ever had health care before? As someone who is working a specific medicare section I can personally tell you that they'd need to be able to prove that any government plan has very stringent rules to make sure that U.S citizens alone are allowed this privilege. Anyone who thinks that Obama is a liar I'm not going to dispute. He very well may be but when have you ever known any politician that hasn't lied? A prime example would be the entirety of the Bush administration. Its best to take anything a politician says with a grain of salt. Finally to all of those that have made any racist comments way to make yourselves look more unintelligent than the most simplistic of creatures.


randywilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Maybe we could encourage you to return to whatever hole you have in for the last 16 years and leave us patriots to our business.


Buster41179
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

How about you go back from whence you came after 16 years? We don't need traitors like you in OUR country. You're such an old fart bag you don't even realize that your days are numbered, literally, by the Obama administration. Enjoy your old age counseling sessions, the ones where they tell you to take a pain pill because they aren't going to spend the money to give you healthcare in your old age to save what is left of the rest of your life. Me? I'd rather make that life or death decision for myself instead of allowing the government to tell me when it's time to go. Why do I even try? It's pretty obvious you're one of many liberal sheep who would kill themselves for a tyrant. The best of luck with that…truly.

Bottom line, Obama lied. Joe Wilson is a hero! We need more representatives like Joe in Washington. Congress will be blown out in 2010…no more liberal socialists in Congress or the White House.

GO JOE! Impeach Obama.


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

what are you… like, 12? does your mommy know you're on the internet?


Buster41179
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

So what do you say about when the Democrats heckled Bush in the same way?


TruthSeeker
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Politics, as played by the professional, is much more complicated than chess, and yet good chess players (heck, even good checkers players) know that the game is not won by planning only one move ahead. Camel’s nose under the tent flap; one ladder step/rung at a time – however you want to put it, it’s simply sophomoric to believe that liberals will not push for amnesty for those currently illegal, making those about whom Joe Wilson was speaking (yes, who would then be “legal”) eligible for government healthcare. Have you ever heard that real life is about the journey, not the destination? Well, real politics is about the destination, not the journey. As long as it gets them to where they want to go, liberals couldn’t give a damn about the journey – it’s all about the destination. As the old IBM motto stated – THINK, don’t dismiss any idea simply because of the source. I wish you the best.


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

“fart bag” – what are you, 12?? Does your mommy know you're on the internet? what is wrong with you people!? Can you not show some decency as a human being? Forget about which side of the fence you're on- just be a respectable human and stop all this nonsense and hateful ranting. if you have an opinion, state it with some dignity. why do you have to be so freakin' rude? unbelievable.


shariwj
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

(the above comment made by me was intended for the Busters and the Randys of the world, not for you Mr. Fitzpatrick)


Estoban
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

Bush didn't secure the borders- fail! Obama hasn't secured the borders- fail. Both broke their oath. The leftwing nuts and the rightwing nuts are running the asylum and ruining the country. The 1986 amnesty was a total failure! Never again!


mike7777777
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

Medicare specifically requires eligibility verification (enforcement). It is spelled out in the law.

The House Bill does not document enforcement (in it's current form). It says that illegals are not eligible, but it does not document the enforcement. That part does not exist in the Bill. You can check it out for yourself.

That's like having laws about speeding, but no patrol cars or radar guns to deal with speeders. You SAY there is a rule, but it isn't enforced.

The Democrats are in control of the Bill (what gets in and what doesn't). So, it's up to the Dems to make it happen.


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Let me start out by saying I love my country, and yes I am an Iraqi War Veteran (Iraqi Campaign medal to be exact)
Not sure what rock you crawled out from under, but it is obvious you have never served in the military, or know anything at all about either of the Iraqi war's!


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

yeah, he is a trip isn't he…LOL


Estoban
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Only the idiot Presidents from Reagan onward from the atrocious 1986 amnesty. They all failed.


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

My thoughts exactly……………. I feel dumber just listening to this JERK…LOL


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

Understand you loud and clear randywilson. If your guy isn't POTUS then you are allow to disrespect the office of President. What type of revolution nears?


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Bush is a lying piece of filth that needs to be hung for war crimes!!!!!!!!!!
I wish the shoe had hit him!


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

Absolutely! We don't need any more “big government” types who want to do things for the people with government. I mean, it's gone far enough with the whole roads, bridges, military, medicare, public school thing ALREADY!

We need to throw our support behind government officials who hate government and will hopefully destroy the Constitution before it's too late!

Oh, by the way, government is a pre-condition for civilization you idiot.

You're such a hateful tool that i invite YOU to leave our country. Especially since you're so full of fear that Obama is a tyrant and we'll go all suicide-happy over him. Get out now! Before it's too late! See you! Bon Voyage! We'll miss you and your psycho-hate-fear…


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

Jesus hates health care for all. Jesus loves insurance company profits. Jesus also hates illegals. Jesus is in it for the money. Let's all follow the example of Jesus!


randywilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

My guy would represent freedom. My guy would understand this union is defunct and try to move us to align with the constitution of the United States Of America. Less government and more freedom. Less welfare and socialization. I love this country and it sickens me to see all the liberals who just want to give it all away. What type of revolution? I do not know but the levy will eventually burst. I clue you in my friend socialism does not work eventually the money runs out and then what happens? Chaos and rioting from the Non-producers who are used to being cared for by the government. It is NOT my responsibility to pay taxes to cloth, feed, or provide healthcare for all these people I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THEM and would sooner just deport them then pay taxes for them. Is that wrong? Why is it my responsibility? No really tell me why it is my issue to support others in this FREE country? I should not have had to bail out GM and if it had been up to me they would be gone now. Where will it end? Ill tell you when we “PRODUCERS” run out of money.


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Hell ya, it's awesome! Like yelling at your coach during a pep talk, or throwing things at your mom because she wants you to clean your room.


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

Totally agree! Commander in Chief of the worlds greatest military or not, we should all yell and interrupt him when he addresses the nation! It's not abject disrespect for the office of the president, it's heroism. Like when I yelled at my coach right before the game – totally helped out the team :)


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Um… our country has been given away to the wealthiest 1% and corporations…


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

You mean he should LEAVE with the secessionists. Seriously, when will they just go?


Valvalval
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

My plan for illegal immigrants:

Fine the hell out of any business that will hire them. When no one hires, illegals stop coming. This leaves a cheap-labor vacuum for all the terrible jobs that Americans don't want to do anyway. So, kick people off unemployment unless they do the jobs that the illegals were doing before the businesses fired them. Easy solution – we have 10% of our people unemployed collecting checks and sitting on their asses. Put those slackers to work in place of the illegals. Presto – businesses get their cheap labor and we eliminate the illegals.

What say you “conservatives”?


randywilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Ok I agree we currently have the best government money can buy but must I also agree to socialism? How about we just follow the plan our forefathers had for us? To keep government to a minimum less it become intrusive?


randywilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

And in all fairness where else would Joe Wilson's opinion have been as equally heard as it was on that floor. Obama is a smooth yak yaker who likes to state what he thinks should be obvious and as if we are all idiots for not understanding or agreeing with him. Had Joe not spoken then and only then his voice would not have been heard. I would like to see a LOT more of this from all sides it lets me know they are not paid for robots. Let the politicians yell now and keep us all from a civil war later!


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

There is clearly wording in the bill that makes it very plain that the benefits are not available to illegal immigrants – so Joe's outburst is totally wrong in addition to being outrageous in its disrespect for the office of the presidency.

The Republican position is that unless papers are checked when somebody turns up for emergency help in a health crisis, benefits could go to illegal immigrants. It is difficult to see any health professional worth their salt wanting to check papers before treating a person in dire need of emergency medical attention – so the charge does have some merit to it.

However that is an issue of enforcement not intent. It is very clear that the intent is to NOT allow illegal immigrants to take advantage of tax payer funded health systems. So the “you lie” comment was not only disgraceful but also totally wrong when you do even a bare minimum of research.

The current crop of Republicans, both elected and unelected radio hosts and the like are clearly not in the mood to let little things like facts and accuracy get in the way of their justified outrage.


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Did you mean the Iraq Campaign Medal?


randywilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Star Parker – Syndicated Columnist (Black Female)

Six years ago I wrote a book called Uncle Sam's Plantation. I wrote the book to tell my own story of what I saw living inside the welfare state and my own transformation out of it.

I said in that book that indeed there are two Americas — a poor America on socialism and a wealthy America on capitalism.

I talked about government programs like Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Job Opportunities and Basic Skills Training (JOBS), Emergency Assistance to Needy Families with Children (EANF), Section 8 Housing, and Food Stamps.

A vast sea of perhaps well-intentioned government programs, all initially set into motion in the 1960s by Democrats, that were going to lift the nation's poor out of poverty.

A benevolent Uncle Sam welcomed mostly poor black Americans onto the government plantation. Those who accepted the invitation switched mindsets from “How do I take care of myself?” to “What do I have to do to stay on the plantation?”

Instead of solving economic problems, government welfare socialism created monstrous moral and spiritual problems — the kind of problems that are inevitable when individuals turn responsibility for their lives over to others.

The legacy of American socialism is our blighted inner cities, dysfunctional inner city schools, and broken black families.

Through God's grace, I found my way out. It was then that I understood what freedom meant and how great this country is.

I had the privilege of working on welfare reform in 1996 which was passed by a Republican controlled Congress.

I thought we were on the road to moving socialism out of our poor black communities and replacing it with wealth-producing American capitalism.

But, incredibly, we are now going in the opposite direction.

Instead of poor America on socialism becoming more like rich American on capitalism, rich America on capitalism is becoming like poor America on socialism.

Uncle Sam has welcomed our banks onto the plantation and they have said, “Thank you, Suh.”

Now, instead of thinking about what creative things need to be done to serve customers, they are thinking about what they have to tell Massah in order to get their cash.

There is some kind of irony that this is all happening under our first black president on the 200th anniversary of the birthday of Abraham Lincoln.

Worse, socialism seems to be the element of our new young president. And maybe even more troubling, our corporate executives seem happy to move onto the plantation.

In an op-Ed on the opinion page of the Washington Post, Mr. Obama is clear that the goal of his trillion dollar spending plan is much more than short term economic stimulus.

“This plan is more than a prescription for short-term spending — it's a strategy for America 'S long-term growth and opportunity in areas such as renewable energy, healthcare, and education.”

Perhaps more incredibly, Obama seems to think that government taking over an economy is a new idea. Or that massive growth in government can take place “with unprecedented transparency and accountability.”

Yes, sir, we heard it from Jimmy Carter when he created the Department of Energy, the Synfuels Corporation, and the Department of Education.

Or how about the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964 — The War on Poverty — which President Johnson said “…does not merely expand old programs or improve what is already being done. It charts a new course. It strikes at the causes, not just the consequences of poverty.”

Trillions of dollars later, black poverty is the same. But black families are not, with triple the incidence of single-parent homes and out-of-wedlock births.

It's not complicated. Americans can accept Barack Obama's invitation to move onto the plantation. Or they can choose personal responsibility and freedom.

Does anyone really need to think about what the choice should be?

“The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”


bob
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

What say I? I say Amen!!


alsuglybaits
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

I would guess he is over seventeen and a war veteran, hence is username, which is a sight more respectful than the won you referred to. What have you done for your country? Maybe you should read the U.S. Constitution for a start and understand it! Obama has no Constitutional right to invade the private sector.


americanwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Thanks for proving my point, despite your lack of civility. I am currently in the military, served two tours in Afghanistan, and know what an adjective is. So how about you pick up a copy of AR 600-8-22? Paragraph 2-17 (page 29) to be exact. It's the “Iraq Campaign Medal”, not the “Iraqi Campaign Medal”.

Here's a tip. Being a veteran does not entitle you to an unbridled license to insult and belittle your fellow citizens. You disagree with a poster – fine. Respond with a little civility. And try not to embarass the rest of us veterans.


BajaRat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

It's against federal law to sneak into the country to squat and filch. Has been since 1986. There are laws on the books saying illegal immigration is a crime. Google it.

So why is it that the borders are still wide open and there are 20-40 million illegal aliens here stealing jobs and squatting/filching? Because our corrupt government, including the Scumbag in Chief, refuse to enforce the law. Get it now?

Forget about the phony left-right paradigm. There is basically only one party in this country. Commander Kenya, the Clintons, the Bush's……. all the same gaggle of NWO wh*ores. You can take that to the bank.


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

In particular, the Right in this health debate has resembled not an impassioned political statement of principle but something like a demon in the process of exorcism – desparately fighting with all its cunning and ferocity. It seems as though a certain proportion of the political class decided that the response to Obama's election was an end-justifies-means total war. I guess it's something to do with the confluence of big commercial interests and the absolutes of evangelical faith…


mark3
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

obama's response to America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHcxzBwjYHg&feat…


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

I believe you forgot the Freemasons in that convoluted list.


mike7777777
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

When writing legislation, what is LEFT OUT can be just as important as what they put in.

They said that illegals are not covered. Yep… that's in there. But, they left out the enforcement component. Kinda sneaky, huh. If they leave out a section, it makes a big difference, right?

That's the way Bills work. There is always a section on how to enforce a provision. To document *how* a provision will be enforced (the details). The “how” of enforcement is missing from the current Bill. Clearly, it was left out on purpose.

If the President really means what he says, an enforcement section would need to be added. Of course, that's up to Congress. And as we see quite regularly, Pelosi doesn't march in lock-step to Obama.

So… just 'cause he says it, doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Darn that pesky Legislative Branch!


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Well put.


americanwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

And the Illuminati. I think they own the bank.


americanwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Traitors? Has it occurred to you that a whole lot of Americans live overseas because, y'know, they have jobs there? Over 5 million Americans live overseas, and that doesn't include diplomats, the military, or other government employees. They work, pay US taxes, vote by absentee ballot, and – last time I looked – haven't betrayed their country. What the heck is wrong with you?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 12:38 am

Hello… you out there?


americanwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Oh, yeah. Bring up that old, tired “bridge” thing. Yet another big government plot to screw the people.


juname
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

olbermann


Paul
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

The congress turned off Joe Wilson's website, but the link to his email form is still working:

http://www.house.gov/formwilson/IMA/issue.htm

Let him know how you feel. The way that Joe went about it was questionable, but what else should we do as Americans? The Liberal media spins everything, both the right and the left bend the true there way, all I see on this post is people complaining, so I will try to be different.

The states that democrats are in full control of are all busted, logic suggests that the white house will follow this example. Obama is in office 100 days and has spent more then the 6 -year war. Another point, next month it was announced that the government is going to borrow 1 Trillion Dollars just to keep the as is government up and running. How does this prove Obama is doing the right things? How long am I going to hear cries of Bush, who I thought was crazy and should go to jail? Please identify one successfully run government plan (successful meaning not overrun costs)? Green energy to date is only less than 10% of all energy needs of the US, how is buying GM going to help the US voters? Helping the Banking industry, 300 Billion thru AIG was used to sure up Europe's economy (Fact). Which state or goverment is reducing their spending? The list of topics goes on and on. So I offer this, please take your pick in any decison that Obama has done, how are we just better off? (Lastly, research facts only, not your I love the black president image for the US). PS. I don't care if the President is Black, yellow, purple or pink, a women, man, or dog, for I want someone who is going to get the job done.)


oldmagicman666
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Joe Wilson's the only one in the room telling the truth! Thank you Joe!


randywilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

President Obama’s call for this joint session of Congress should also be under scrutiny as a breach of protocol. The U.S. Constitution in Article II Section 3 provides “…he [the President] may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both houses …” Such a session should not be called lightly and historically has only been used to address a serious national crisis. This session was not called to address a serious national crisis but was called merely to give President Obama an opportunity to commandeer the national press during primetime to push his healthcare propaganda on the nation at no cost to him. He chose to misuse his power as President and to manipulate the Congress and demand that they listen to his campaign rhetoric. He should therefore be prepared to meet some resistance.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Let's make both sides happy, just deport all 36 million illegal aliens before Christmas. What a great New Year that would be!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

We can't stop 37 million illegals from crossing our borders, how do we hope to ever keep them from stealing Communist Health Care?


dodos
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

As soon as Obama gets the illegal aliens legalized illegally. There will be an unbelievable cost to the us legal people, and those who came in the country legally. WITH THE FLOOD OF ILLEGALS CROSSING the border today,and those to follow. The cost to the taxpayers who have a job will be to much of a burden. SO when Obamas says the health care he wants is not for illegal aliens is true. Because by the time he makes them legal will be after health care is passed.Any sitting U.S.president who is unwilling to show his birth certificate should be shown the BACK door.I am a democrat and i never voted for the racist Obama. I feel people are starting to figure out who this ungodly BUM really is.


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

If your manner of speech is in any way a reflection of what goes on inside your head, you are lucky you can tie your shoes.


Buster41179
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

Did I say he was a traitor for having been overseas for 16 years? No. I called him a traitor because he comes back to the U.S. and regales a president whose mission it is to turn America into a socialist country, maybe even worse, towards his personal mission of hoarde glorification and personal legacy. How about calming down?

Too many people I know, from executives to gray and blue collar workers, are out of work, too many businesses have had to close down because of this bungler who is a rube at economics and has zero business sense. Obama is a dreamer who has surrounded himself with like-minded sychophants who are on the same disasterous mission. Problem for them is that this time the people are paying strict attention and not letting him get his way.


randywilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

jeezuzchrist you are so witty and meaningful. You like government cheese? I wish a plague of it on you and your siblings……..


Buster41179
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

How about some more histrionics. You might get your point across to someone one day.


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Get rid of Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare too, right?

Trotsky pigs with their crude ideology. Real 'Patriots' don't need no stinkin' hand-outs.


JustAguy
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

You lying scum sucking communist liberals are killing this great nation. Who do you think is going to pay for all of this? I hope the day comes when real Americans have their fill and say NO MORE! Then we can stop all this yip yapping and move to the rifle and settle it for once and all. Since you Liberals hate guns I suspect your in trouble when it happens but I also suspect you actually have guns and just pretend to hate them right? If and when that time comes I am going to try so hard to kill as many of you as I can and your children and families so the stupidity is not breed for future generations to deal with. I HATE YOU ALL liberal pucks.


Buster41179
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Couldn't have said it better.


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

I have my learning and my money, my cultivated tastes and an utter disdain for low things. Simply put, I’m an honest, wealthy elite – we eschew all the pop forms and mock the rabble, not court them.


americanwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Congratulations! You're today's winner of the “Lighten Up, Francis” Award!


randywilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

DUDE, that is UNCALLED for. Be passionate about your beliefs but do not be psychotic!


americanwarveteran
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

Curse you and your polysyllabic words!


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

You are right, you couldn't.


randywilson
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Yeah? Well your only going to be wealthy and elite as long as the government says you are. Mock as you will and smirk at socialism but it is coming to a town near you then everyone else can enjoy your hard earned money. YAY!


jumpinjesusonapogostick
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:19 am

jeezuzchrist, that exchange was fucking brilliant and perfect.


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iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:48 am

Let me apologize to you for my vehemence.

I suspect that the sexual abuse I experienced in early childhood, shapes and fuels the tremendous fear I feel as an adult. You see, quite simply, I need something to be afraid of.

The ArabsI fear no more. That was a good run for “fear”. I was happy in my irrational fear of some ominous brown skinned cloud of terror could descending on my head at any moment. I was content in my anxious distraction. However I was content in nothing else. My life at the time was terrible, I was unhappy, and I constantly fought to keep corked the bottled up simian rage that threatened constantly to explode.

“Finally!” I thought, “I can murder a member of my own species. I will punish them for my short comings. And all under the flag of “Freedom”. But alas, are any of us REALLY free?”

So off I went, to one of the world’s oldest civilizations. I cared very little for their history even though I knew shaped the very life, world and culture in which I live. I did unspeakable things. Whether to sublimate the ever increasing in rage, feces throwing monster in my stomach, or channel and exorcise him, the result was always the same.

So here I am now, just a few days from being homeless and arrogantly commenting on this news story. I honestly couldn’t care about health care. I care about chaos, whatever the cause, because it allows me to make real my fantasy of seeing the world brought to my level. I fear to not have something to fear.

The potential for a collective human suffering is the only thing that brings me “hope”.

Thank you for reading. They are shutting off the lights here. I should go quickly shave in the restroom and be on my way.


apathy_was_nice
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:07 am

dude, are you at the library?


abigwall
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:27 am

Hey Jim (presumably from Pennsylvania) ? Listen, I think you and I got off on the wrong foot. I have been tossing and turning, with this terrible guilt that I ruined your day by being a bitch. But please you must understand that I have terrible TERRIBLE menses right now. So bad in fact that whilst writing this very reply I have vomited twice. In such a bad mood it puts me I strongly feel the primal desire to drown mewling kittens in my gushing torrents of blood and smegma.

Yours in our equally bloody Christ,
abigwall


abigwall
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:30 am

Oh shit. Sorry, I guess it IS a sin to be rich.

“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven.”

Damn YOU JESUS!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!! You win AGAIN!


jakincol
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 12:17 am

Well, deceiving is lying too… there is no provision to stop them from getting health care…THEY ARE GETTING IT NOW…
I have been to the Alipac.us site and what they believe, IMO… is that OUR LAWS BE ENFORCED!!! What is soooo wrong with that??? I think it is a shame for a government to decide what laws it will or will not enforce! That is dangerous and America is heading down a dangerous road unless they decide to call out their senators and congressmen/women. THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE WORKING FOR THE “CITIZENS” OF THIS COUNTRY!


dbaubd
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 12:54 am

Joe wilson is Di*k.


dbaubd
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 12:57 am

You sure got a lot to say…how many copies of that book did you sell?


abigwall
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 1:34 am

Very good point. And have people cheer him on. I noticed the camera angles tried to block out the Republican side of the isle who were not jumping up and cheering him on.


abigwall
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 1:34 am

Bravo Joe!!!!!


mike7777777
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 1:39 am

UPDATE:

Check out this link for the truth on coverage for illegal aliens.
http://tinyurl.com/l9he4a

References the Congressional Research Service.

The enforcement component is MISSING. No way to enforce what the Bill calls for.


abigwall
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 1:43 am

Here's another one playing the UnChristian card. Spare me the melodrama. The Right and those who have the good sense to recognize and be vocally opposed to socialism. If you haven't noticed, no nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity.


mike7777777
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 1:45 am

Had I known there is an award, I would have tried MUCH harder :)


tinybobidaho
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Alipac puts out the truth that the liberal media doesn't have the guts to report because they all have their noses up Oboma's butt. So, somebody has to do the job. Instead of sticking up for the biggest con artist in history, why don't you folks do a little honing up on the history of your King and his Chicago thugs, instead of slamming the people who do worry about this country.


JimPA
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Doesn't Fox have the most viewers? Is Fox part of the liberal media?


JimPA
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:05 am

Mike plus a lot of 7s – I emails my reps and asked them to put make sure they get the enforcement part right IF it is missing. I still back our President.


JimPA
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:07 am

I would have tried harder too. JustAguy will have a difficult time repeating.


JimPA
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:12 am

President Bush too a ton from me. But we are in two wars and our soldiers and families are the real ones paying so I just am thankful to the men and women of the military. I really don't see President Obama as a socialist. President Bush redistributed wealth and bailed out companies.


rjjrdq
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:21 am

Sounds like a reasonable guy.


iraqiwarveteran
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:32 am

Let me apologize to you for my vehemence.

I suspect that the sexual abuse I experienced in early childhood, shapes and fuels the tremendous fear I feel as an adult. You see, quite simply, I need something to be afraid of.

The ArabsI fear no more. That was a good run for “fear”. I was happy in my irrational fear of some ominous brown skinned cloud of terror could descending on my head at any moment. I was content in my anxious distraction. However I was content in nothing else. My life at the time was terrible, I was unhappy, and I constantly fought to keep corked the bottled up simian rage that threatened constantly to explode.

“Finally!” I thought, “I can murder a member of my own species. I will punish them for my short comings. And all under the flag of “Freedom”. But alas, are any of us REALLY free?”

So off I went, to one of the world's oldest civilizations. I cared very little for their history even though I knew shaped the very life, world and culture in which I live. I did unspeakable things. Whether to sublimate the ever increasing in rage, feces throwing monster in my stomach, or channel and exorcise him, the result was always the same.

So here I am now, just a few days from being homeless and arrogantly commenting on this news story. I honestly couldn't care about health care. I care about chaos, whatever the cause, because it allows me to make real my fantasy of seeing the world brought to my level. I fear to not have something to fear.

The potential for a collective human suffering is the only thing that brings me “hope”.

Thank you for reading. They are shutting off the lights here. I should go quickly shave in the restroom and be on my way.


tinybobidaho
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:37 am

I so tire of this post modern crisis from which I suffer. These long hours on the wide open rolling expanse of Idaho really take a toll on me. I often fear I am honestly losing my mind. These voices never cease. I close my eyes and they follow me down to the deep abyss of sleep. I dream of apoclypse. There maybe no God coming to save us, but their are demons, and they know my name.


ALIPAC
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:01 am

If I can get personal for a second, I'd like to tell you why I despise Illegal Immigrants.

My wife, of 12 years, recently left me. You see, I suffer from what is know as canine erectile dysfunction. When I stand, my penis retracts into my body, much like a canine's. My wife has always accepted me and my retractable penis. However, this all changed when I let my instinctual sexual drive get the best of me. We tried to work through the affair, but I simply couldn't let go the longings for my mistress. But I doubt any man, who had known such beauty could. The long blond hair. The elegant stride. A healthy shiny coat. A quadruped of unparalleled sensuality.

My mind would often wander (and still does) to that magical day in the back kennel at the Eukanuba Dog Show where I knew for one fleeting moment, what it was like to make love to a large pure breed Afghan whilst crammed in a 4x4x10 crate. Oh the decadence!

My wife grew further and further apart during this time, and stopped being affectionate. Gradually I noticed a change in her physique. He belly was swinging lower to the floor, she was gaining weight but yet had a healthy “glow” about her. She was pregnant with what could not have been MY litter. My hunch was right. After 64 days a squirming, blind, smegma covered litter was born. As she licked away the layer of afterbirth, what shone through confirmed my suspicions. Chihuahuas.

So, now dear reader, can you comprehend why I am so adamantly opposed to illegal immigration? If you'll excuse me some little hog dog is whimpering to be let out and “bay at the moon”

Sincerely

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
http://www.alipac.us


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:04 am

Wouldn't the biggest “con artist” in history be Jesus Christ? And why don't you stop using code-words like “Chicago thug” and just call Obama what you really want to call him?


abigwall
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:05 am

Oh shit. Sorry, I guess it IS a sin to be rich.

“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven.”

Damn YOU JESUS!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!! You win AGAIN!


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:08 am

Considering that the back door of the White House was traditionally used for African Americans, who've been treated as subhuman or second-class citizens for most of our history, you should probably rephrase that. On the other hand, considering your obvious racism, that probably isn't necessary.


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:09 am

Tell the families of the tens of thousands of people who die due to lack of health care that there is no crisis, jackass.


JustAguy
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:16 am

Yeah, I guess that was a little uncalled for. I took some serious trauma to my frontal lobe in Iraq, fighting for freedom. I took a tire jack to the head by a Halliburton truck driver for suggesting that all liberals are pussies. So, my meds are a bit off, but no worries, they'll get it right someday. Now I only call liberals “pussies” from the safe anonymity of the internet. you pussy.


tinybobidaho
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:24 am

I don't like him because he's black. There I said it. This has nothing to do with health care and everything to do with him being a threatening black man, however slight of frame he is.

Wow, I feel a little sick admitting that.


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:33 am

To be fair, he may be skinny, but he has powerful magic. *Black* magic.


brendanm
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

Trolls AND Giants.


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

Death panels?


randywilson
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

So when did tens of thousands of people dying from lack of healthcare become a government issue? Go buy healthcare its a free country! Oh they cannot afford it you say? To bad for them its called natural selection. My family has healthcare that I pay for by working HARD. I do not want to pay for all the people who do not have healthcare for whatever reason. You cannot save everyone and it is not a crisis its called “life” people have been dying for thousands of years from health related issues whether you believe it or not. It is NOT our governments role to take from the haves and give to the have not's, that is PURE socialism. You want to take care of the needy then go do it on your own and be charitable but its is NOT a government responsibility. I WANT TO KEEP MY MONEY AND I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY POOR PEOPLE DIE… There you have it….


tinybobidaho
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

hell yeah he does. plus the power of aquaman and or prince namor. he can persuade fish to commit suicide by jumping into a boat. not to mention walking on water. his beef is strong.


tinybobidaho
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

oh wait. Are we talking about jesus or obama? either way. i bet obama could get all sorts of aquatic animals to commit suicide too.


Paul
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

I have relized that I am in the bottom 40% of this country that sees the berth of socialism. It is NOT our governments role to take from the haves and give to the have not's, that by def. is PURE socialism, if you Obama lovers want that then go to China. But, then I thought again to my self, wait I am in the top 5-10% income bracket on paper only, yet I have worked hard to get here. I have a master's and undergrad degree, both of which I had to take out personal loans for and am still paying loans off. I don't just complain that I don't have any money, I go earn a better job, I move to a different state, go to school, and for all of that I am punished. I run a struggling business, each year I pay more in taxes then many Americans make in a year. Also, I hire person after person to support my business, train them, and pay benifits. My profit margins are 0 for the third year in a row, I have taken a smaller salary, both just so I don't have to lay people off. Mostlikely the same people that I am fighting to keep employeed are the same folks that voted with Obama for change? I read the post below, you are mostly an example of the to 75% that are mad at republicans, but the same 75% that are not living in the real would. You all must think, I work all day, or not, I am a teacher for example, not getting paid what I am worth. Now there is a real problem, teachers complaining about working 6-7 hours a day, off every holiday, and summer vacation. Eye opener, you are not getting paid more because you are not a profitable business. Taxes are collected for your salary. Here is an idea, many parents have to pay before and aftercare, figure out how to get there kids to school and the sitter, all of which by the way is paid for by that parents JOB! Idea, teachers go to your super intendant and offer to come into work from 7am to 6pm, this way our children are being watched by an education person, and the teacher is getting a larger salary, because the parents pay the time. Think outside the box people, you are not seeing that the ditch digger on I-95 works harder and longer then us all. Society through profitability dictates what people are paided, raises, genarates more taxes, etc. Back to my business, this is what I am going to do, as soon as the Obama plan passes, in stead of working hard to give my employees healthcare, I am going to stop providing them health care, and simply pay them the same amount that I cover them now, 5k per employee, and let them go into the government paln. Democrates claim to be the party of the common man, they are not, wake up people! Again, Bush was crazy, get over it. Obama spent more money than Bushes entire 8 years, in 100 days. Wake up, stop the spending, you want health care, then give up another program, transition off SS#. Look at how much the government takes of our money, and you want more, no that's right you want to tax the rich. Wake up, the rich are the ones who start companies, fund schools, pay for your current health care, match your medicare and SS that you collect. The list goes on. Wake up, the reason the top 5% get back the most refunded to them, is because they paid the most to begin with. The answer is not raise taxes on only the rich, again who already pay 95% of all taxes collected! I will say it again, the top 5% income generators pay 95% of all tax collected in the USA. Stop the spending! Here is an idea, begin the fair tax plan, you buy more you pay more taxes, there are 25% hidden pass along taxes currently in every item we purchase at the stores. Stop the spending! Private sector is shrinking, and the more you agree to tax the top 5% the more that everyone will suffer, companies will not fund anything! Wake up! Finally I know why I am in the 40% of the public to did not vote for Obama, because the low 40% were right, Obama was the wrong choice, you all are just to proud to admit when your wrong. I am thinking when I am tired of 90 hour work weeks for free, btw my employees only work 40 if I am luckly, and they think that is too long, I am going to walk the parking lot, and anyone with an Obama for change stick on their car is the 1st to be let go. Hey you wanted change many businesses both small and large are about to grant your request. Please I welcome comments back, that show how my discussion is flawed, and give me a way to do something the Obama way. Yes PLease do, because then maybe I will hire you to run my business and we two can simply buy GM.


JimPA
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Dude, you have to try much harder than that to repeat the “Lighten Up, Francis” Award.


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

Once again, should we rid ourselves of other Bolshevik dalliances like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare?


JustAguy
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

ok, how's this? I am a completely unhappy human animal. I have nothing positive going for me in my life. I lurk menacingly outside of laundry mats. I wear ski masks made of bible pages whilst pleasuring myself to re-runs of three's company BUT ONLY to Mr.Furley episodes. My mother was hermaphroditic as was my father, so my idea of gender roles in the context of American society is, to say the least skewed. I vote republican because it promises the highest likelihood of chaos, war and social disruption. I want to support and if possible cause the maximum amount of collective simultaneous human suffering. The Democrats do not promise this. I want to negatively effect the hearts of every self aware living being and accelerate the process of natural selection to a fevered pitch of extinction. I am legion.


the prophet
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Whoa, canine erectile dysfunction? ALIPAC knows how to PARTY!!!!!


mike7777777
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

No… these are *legacy* programs. We made promises to people and need to keep them. There are millions of Americans already relying on them.

In the case of Social Security, people have been paying in for years. They are owed a payout and deserve to get it.

In the case of Medicare, it is an existing program. Once you turn on a program like that, it would be irresponsible to turn it off.

That is exactly why we need to be VERYre careful from this point on. Clearly, it would be fiscally irresponsible to expand from what we have provided, adding additional burdens to a system that is about to burst at the seams.

I think the programs we have in place are reasonable (for the most part). Unfortunately, politicians love to give people NEW things so they will get re-elected. And that goes back a long, long way.

Please note: I truly believe we need Health Care Reform, and a HUGE chunk of that should be Health INSURANCE reform. As far as I'm concerned, it is crazy for the Insurance companies to get away with the stuff they have pulled. Ridiculous. But it needs to be done in a fashion that does not add to the deficit (as the President has called for). That is the challenge. Pulling that off will be the heavy lifting.


randywilson
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

I'd like to make a couple of corrections. You see I have a mere fourth grade education and have an extremely difficult time differentiating between the proper use of your and the contraction you're as in “You Are”. Sorry, I guess, based on your above posts, you have an impeccable grasp on English, which is indicative of an IQ much higher than my own. I gracefully (as gracefully as I can) bow out of this argument. Gun in my mouth now and returning to the sheol.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

Good points.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

Good points.


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

I must apologize to you all I am a fraud. I am just an 11 year old girl who likes to play online. So sorry I suck.


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Everyone really just kidding I am very proud of Joe Wilson and think he did the right thing in speaking out. I have just been pulling your chains to make you think and debate. In the end I to agree all liberals should die a slow painful death. God bless you!


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

oops sorry one last thing I forgot, I hate niggers to! Yep thats right I said it I hate them watermelon eating big lipped monkeys more than I can say!


JimPA
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

“I am going to walk the parking lot, and anyone with an Obama for change stick on their car is the 1st to be let go.”

Paul – Not sure this is a great business decision but you are probably wiser than me in business. I can only speak for myself. I support our President and had a Obama for POTUS. After the election, I took it off because I always thought we come together after an election. If my employer cut me loose because I have a bumper sticker that is for someone who the boss disagrees with, I would feel lucky. Really don't want to work for someone like that. I work very hard for my Company. I make sure projects are successful. I am salaried so I don't receive overtime but always put in over 40 hours. I work weekends when needed and worked 20 hours to ensure we didn't fail on a tight rollout. As a consumer, I wouldn't want to do business with your Company.

I wasn't too upset when President Reagan took away from the unions and middle class because I thought it was best for the Country. I was in a union at the time. I lived thru trickle down economics and seen it didn't work. President George W Bush tax breaks to the top earners when we had a surplus and disagreed but still referred to our President as President Bush and didn't call him a socialist for redistributing wealth.

“…Obama lovers want that then go to China.”
I think the CEOs that send our jobs to China should move to China. We all have to pay for our military, streets, government. If they want to move everything to China, then move there. As consumers, we need to Buy American as much as possible, even if it costs more.


mike7777777
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

I dated a Chihuahua for a while. She was awesome. That bitch knew the BEST restaurants in town. But one time she got mad at me and threw a bowl of salsa in my face. I was furious when it got in my eyes… that stuff burns!

Anyway, I broke up with her when I found out she was an illegal and was getting benefits from the government. Just wasn't right.

After that, I dated here best friend. She was a Chihuahua too… they looked like twins. Could barely tell them apart. I thought she might be an illegal too so I checked her dog tags. Luckily, she was legal and I had no problem with her getting benefits she deserved.


JimPA
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Bingo.


mike7777777
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Say it aint so!


jumpinjesusonapogostick
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

hahah, you spoofer! the real jeezuzchrist has a bad ass logo. AND he can walk on water.


mike7777777
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Right now, I think there are a LOT of people who voted for Obama who regret it. Most won't admit it though.

Many won't admit it (or say anything negative about Obama) because they are afraid that they will be labeled a racist. Jesse Jackson was on TV today talking about how people who are against Obama are racists. Couldn't possibly be that people are against him because his policies suck. Or because he has FAR more Czars in his cabinet than any other POTUS in history. Or because he sold himself as being in the “center” and now we find out that he is far left. No… if you don't like what Obama is doing, you're a racist. That has been resolved. Done deal. Time to move on to another issue.


mike7777777
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

Paul,

Also, as far as Teachers… the main problem there is the Unions. Ouch. Obama says he is going to tackle the Education crisis we're facing but that will require taking on the Union. That will be interesting to see as he has a quid-pro-quo problem there. Unions helped to put him in the Whitehouse and they expect something in return. Humongous problem.


mike7777777
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:17 am

I wonder if the authors ever check back to see what comments are coming in. Just in case…

Hey Daphe,

I think Rep. Joe Wilson was telling the truth. Here's why:

The enforcement component is MISSING from the House bill. When Republicans tried to add it, the Dems shot it down. In other words, there is no way to enforce the section that says we won't cover illegals. Like having speed limit signs without patrol cars or radar guns to enforce. Sneaky, huh?

Also note that Sen. Max Baucus and Sen. Kent Conrad were clearly plugging the hole today. Over the top obvious. This action in the Senate as it is the only Bill still “open”.

I'll paste three links here for reference… so you can see that I am correct. The first is a link to an article on coverage ref. the House Bill. The second is a link to the Congressional Research Service report that spells it out (details on House Bill). The third is about Baucus/Conrad obviously plugging the hole. Good stuff.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

Links:
http://tinyurl.com/l9he4a (article)
http://opencrs.com/document/R40773/ (CRS report)
http://tinyurl.com/n7wkkh (article on Baucus and Conrad closing the hole)


ALIPAC
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 2:09 am

Mike. I feel your pain. I feel it in my retractable penis. But you are not alone, according to a CNN poll (or “pole”, insert penis joke here) conducted last week, over 40 men over 40 out of 100 men claimed to have had their hearts broken by purebred illegal immigrants. “Send em back!” I always say. “They're not only stealing our jobs… but also our HEARTS”

Yours, in the comforting strong sinewy masculine arms which are covered in a fine downy coat of blond hair, of Jesus.. forever and ever. Amen.

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
http://www.alipac.us


Brittanicus
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:47 am

The incident that occurred in Congress by Rep. Joe Wilson R-NC, illustrates the consequences of a blurring line between illegal immigration and health care. Our politicians have been alerted to the angry voices of the American people. For once they have disregarded the business campaign contributors and all the cloaked gifts given for services rendered by special interest lobbyists. Millions of US citizens are enraged with the status quo buying favors from our representatives that has led to our wilting economy. Today speaking on behalf of Washington committees on health care, the lawmaking emphasized that illegal aliens cannot access the new health reform package, that any person applying will be checked through government databases.

E-Verify might be implemented for this very issue, that it has shown in the majority of cases remarkable successes in remove illegal alien workers from the working environment. E-Verify can solve this problem and bring sanity back to immigration enforcement. E-VERIFICATION OF EACH AND EVERY AMERICAN WORKER MUST BE MADE PERMANENT? NOT JUST VOLUNTARY POLICY, BUT AS A FULL FORCE OF OPERATION CARRYING STRICT PENALTIES. This operation will work under federal policies? But what about state laws? California as an example is a Sanctuary state for millions of illegal immigrants and their families? Other border states are also occupied by large proportions of unlawful populations of foreign nationals?

This last year has culminated in huge financial losses in California caused by millions of low income illegal aliens, which has created a third world community within the United States. There must be federal measures to bring under control, massive spending benefits for people who have no right from benefiting from those who come here legally or were born here. How can any public health care option work at a state level, when states like California ignore federal law, regarding financial refuge to indigent people? Our own people remain homeless and in many cases without hope, when legislators have prioritized, health care, education an overloaded jail system and easy welfare money for illegal immigrants?

The once golden state has been using taxpayer money, to support illegal aliens, when the same expenditures should have been adopted for a collapsing infrastructure. Highways, schools, tunnels, bridges and dams in a dangerous state of disrepair? Our legislators in many cases have been seduced by lobbyists and should be banned from any contact with our politicians. This will never happen, but something must be done? Millions have been spent on derailing the health care reform currently and in the past, as has immigration enforcement. Rescinding 287(g) federal training for local police enforcement of immigration laws, the NO MATCH LETTER and the cutting back on ICE raids on obnoxious businesses using foreign workers.

The order to crush E-verify was given to Sen.Harry Reid, Speaker Pelosi, Janet Napolitano, but narrowly survived in the Senate chambers. Both political parties are equally to blame for not enforcing the 1986 Immigration Control & Reform Act that was inundated with fraud and a desire to weaken the laws. Now they want to rescind that law, offering yet another reform package that will never function? Let’s not kid ourselves! Huge veiled forces are at work to import as much cheap labor as possible with no restraints, lowering wages and an unconscionable burden on taxpayers.

DON'T LET THE POWERS IN WASHINGTON WHITEWASH THE FACTS! DEMAND THE ORIGINAL DESIGNED FENCE AND THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF E-VERIFY, 287 (g), THE SAVE ACT AND AS WRITTEN, THE 1986 SIMPSON/MAZZOLI BILL AND AMEND THEM IF NEED BE? NO MORE IMMIGRATION REFORM? DO THE JOB THEY WERE VOTED FOR? CALL YOUR POLITICIANS AT 202-224-3121 AND DEMAND THESE LAWS BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE? MORE ANSWERS FOUND AT NUMBERSUSA & JUDICIAL WATCH.


ALIPAC
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

God I hate my mother so much. I will keep my room in any state of disarray that I desire.

Sincerely

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
http://www.alipac.us


ALIPAC
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

Huzzah milord! What say you, you say? I say you rolled a 20! That’s a Critical political bias!


pipefitter
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

Maybe if the last administration secured our boarders after 9-11 like they should of, we wouldn't be worried about it.


ALIPAC
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Tell it like it is brother!

If I can get personal for a second, I'd like to tell you why I despise Illegal Immigrants.

My wife, of 12 years, recently left me. You see, I suffer from what is know as canine erectile dysfunction. When I stand, my penis retracts into my body, much like a canine's. My wife has always accepted me and my retractable penis. However, this all changed when I let my instinctual sexual drive get the best of me. We tried to work through the affair, but I simply couldn't let go the longings for my mistress. But I doubt any man, who had known such beauty could. The long blond hair. The elegant stride. A healthy shiny coat. A quadruped of unparalleled sensuality.

My mind would often wander (and still does) to that magical day in the back kennel at the Eukanuba Dog Show where I knew for one fleeting moment, what it was like to make love to a large pure breed Afghan whilst crammed in a 4x4x10 crate. Oh the decadence!

My wife grew further and further apart during this time, and stopped being affectionate. Gradually I noticed a change in her physique. He belly was swinging lower to the floor, she was gaining weight but yet had a healthy “glow” about her. She was pregnant with what could not have been MY litter. My hunch was right. After 64 days a squirming, blind, smegma covered litter was born. As she licked away the layer of afterbirth, what shone through confirmed my suspicions. Chihuahuas.

So, now dear reader, can you comprehend why I am so adamantly opposed to illegal immigration? If you'll excuse me some little hog dog is whimpering to be let out and “bay at the moon”

Sincerely

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
http://www.alipac.us


ALIPAC
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

Dearest Micheal. I am hitting F5 so fast and so often that my finger aches. I call it “the patriot ache”. As I sit here in a Laredo cafe, watching diligently for immigrants to cross the rio grand and then rushing out and tagging their ears, I have nothing else to do.

Sincerely

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
http://www.alipac.us


Valvalval
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

I love that you have a sense of humor! Seriously!

The funniest thing about all this is that I, fully in support of a “government option” also can't stand illegal immigration. I'm in education and we're constantly judged according to the ability of students on tests written entirely in English. Because our stupid system isn't even allowed to inquire as to who is legal and who isn't we have zillions of non-English speakers failing these tests and making it look like we suck. Blech!

Truly, sneaking in and making babies is lame. We need to understand, however, that it is simply human nature to seek a better life for you and your family. We can't hope to stop the flood of illegals by punishing them – they're acting out of purest human nature. We CAN hope to stop it by slamming the businesses that hire these folks. Make the fines so enormous and enforce so rigorously that businesses abandon this labor pool.

BUT, that leaves a huge vacuum where cheap-ass labor for terrible jobs no American wants to do used to be. Business will suffer and prices will rise. SO, my brilliant idea is to take the 10% of us that are kicking back on the couch collecting unemployment checks each month and put them to work doing the illegal's jobs (grape picking, landscaping, etc.). If they don't want to do that work, they lose their benefits, period. Combine the crappy wages paid to illegals with the fairly generous unemployment check and these folks now have a job. A shitty job they hate, but a job nonetheless.

What do you think? Can ALIPAC push for this solution? I think it makes sense….


garynluke
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Yes,for the constitution of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.J.Wilson and the rest of our defenders of the constitution for what is ,not what others want it to be,WE AMERICANS need to stand up and fight to keep our rights soviernty for WE THE PEOPLE.In the past five years the number of illegals 12 million has not changed but by the figures given for those coming to AMERICA each day they are well above what polititions and media or reporting.We need to limit visas and stop the illegal crossing of our borders.We need to enforce our laws,basic and felony crimes or being over looked.Due to the illegals in our country my flooring work has lost business due to no labor enforcement to be here LEGALLY.It is taking our jobs left here in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA that we still have at home, where as good christian people we have let the people we vote in to take care our CONSTITUTION take so many of industrial jobs south and overseas;what happened to our leaders.GOD BLESS AMERICA and ALL


monkey99
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

FloorTech,

Full of contradictions, aren't we?

Wilson and his ilk are willfully trying to suborn the Constitution. They are paid participants by the healthcare insurance industry to deny, at any cost, meaningful healthcare for ALL Americans. The juggernaut Wilson defends (along with some Democrats, just so you don't think I'm being overly accusatory) is killing Americans. Right now. It is, in fact, David (us, the American People) against Goliath (the healthcare insurance industry). You are rooting for the wrong guy!

For all your talk and capitalizations, you really do not understand the intent and purpose of the document.

Surely, I, as you, do not want illegals to have access to any services rendered for the American people, However, it is clearly spelled out in Sec.246 in the bill. Wilson had no other reason to blurt out what he said unless he either didn't read the bill, in which case he was lying, because you cannot refute what you don't know, OR he was (and this is what I believe) doing his part to discredit the bill in any way he can, as directed by his overseers, the healthcare insurance industry.

Yes, “We the People”, “We Americans” and “GOD BLESS AMERICA”. Are you not outraged that there are Americans, some former Senators and Congressmen, who have joined with the healthcare insurance industry to KILL FELLOW AMERICANS on American soil, no less? They don't even have the decency to look their victims in the face!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of them considered themselves Christian, either. This is what you believe GOOD American Christians should do to their fellow Americans, Christian or otherwise? I don't believe you do. Healthcare reform is not, and was never meant, to allow access to illegals, creation of “death panels”, cut Medicare, or any of the other ridiculous accusations, to exist, nor to eliminate private insurance. Look, how many teachers and professors have taught you by scaring the heck out of you? Not many I expect. Do you believe you can learn something meaningful in an atmosphere of fear and hate? That's what is confusing many of our fellow countrymen right now. We need to find a better way of doing things, or “We the People” is reduced to a quaint euphemism.


kkahn
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 1:05 am

Olbermann is lying as usual. He should apologize to a LOT of people, starting with Sarah Palin.


misstips
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 12:15 pm

Shades of McCarthyism……what is of concern is that so many people have apparently jumped on the 'fear' bandwagon instead of working to understand what is actually proposed at this point. Don't think that the insurance execs aren't aware of the power of fear! It worked for Bush for years…..


jeezuzchrist
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

That's just a rumor.


President Obama
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Listen everyone its going to be alright. Repeat after me, I am not a Muslim and I was born in the US. I was not in church the day he said those things. I am for “change” you can trust me. Now if everyone will just stop and go back to the televisions and pizza we can continue forward with my will. Let my words sooth you….. Let my public speaking ability amaze and convince you like ole Adolf used to do.

I will not post again so any further comments from me are spoofed


Monica Lewinskie
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Hey Obama I know your feeling the stress of the oval office. Please consider letting me ease your burden like I did for Bill. You can unload on me anytime you want I am always here for you and your follow socialists.


Jessie Jackson
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Look here white girl you know we Democrats like to get down. Don me stinkin up this board by tellin our secrets and exposing our values. We like a good knob job just like any other immoral man in this country. Hey you got a dollar? Gimmie a dollar or Ill come to your town and boycott your smelly ass.


Name
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

I applaud Rep. Joe Wilson for standing up & telling the truth, something that is sorely lacking in the other Congressmen/women in D.C. More should be standing up & speaking the truth about this current administration that is doing its best to kill this country. The ones that should be called out should be first & foremost President Obama, then Pelosi, Reid, Dean, Rangel (tax cheat), etc., for lying to us the people who voted them in to office, all should be brought before the court for gross misrepresentation. Wake Up America before its too late.


kkahn
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

Dont forget turbo timmy and go after the fed reserve bank, get our money bank and throw them out of our lives. Expose bilderberg group, trilateral, etc. Make Americans aware of these people who are running our country. O etal just puppet diversions.


kkahn
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

Mike777777 is right, and Joe Wilson was a highly UNLIKELY rep to yell out like he did. More to this than meets the eye. Made America aware didnt it?


kkahn
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

Abigwall, the Bible verse you refer to is talking about a place in Egypt called the eye of the needle where camels had to GET ON THEIR KNEES to get thru. Thus, all it is saying that a rich man can get on his knees and repent just as a poor man and get to heaven. Nuff said. God made all his chosen people prosperous so what makes one think He is against prosperity. Also look at the talents Jesus spoke about and what each person did with his talents. The Bible is not against accumulating wealth.


bob
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

keep up the fight. please sent the illegals home now all of them and start over. sell off the post office , go with a flat tax we all pay a % everyone. lets start there.


RON BRADNEY
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

I GUESS YOU THINK NO ONE READS ANYTHING BUT YOUR BEBEL THERE WAS A DEATH PANEL PUT IN BY REP BUT WHEN CALLED ON IT OBAMA REMOVE IT AND NOW HE SAYS WE ARE LIERS FOR SAYING IT WAS THER .WHAT IS WORNG WITH YOU PEOPLE ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE ILLEGEL THAT MEANS NOT LEGEI BERAKING THE LAW A CRIME NOT GIVE THEM FREE EVERYTHING


Irish_Wake
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

Since Section 246 of the proposed states:
“No federal payment for undocumented aliens. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”
Please don’t take my word for it – go to the Library of Congress:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

This isn’t new – it has been in the bill for months.
Wilson was arguing against a fictional bill .
And you are defending his views as correct.


ADH
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

I support wilson


wlstafford
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

Keep the course, Rep. Joe Wilson. Expose all the liars, cheats and reprobates that hold the trust of our American people. There are few of your calibre left…God Bless!


wlstafford
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Mr. Bradney, get someone to help you with spelling so as not to appear to disfunctional.


tyndal1
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Who is going to pick the fruit & vegetables that you buy at a reduced price if they are deported? Who is going to do maid & janitorial work in the hotels that the rich people get richer from?


Robert Willis
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

My opinion ever since I could vote is that illegals should be forceably returned to their counttries of origin along with their children. I am a professional and worked diligently to raise the monies to send my two daughters to college yet when ever I checked my progress I found that I never gained due to fellows like the late Edward Kannedy who made a career of giving my earnings to others without my consent.
There are people in other lands who desire to immigrate lagally and follow that practice. They are put into limbo by those who take the law into their own hands. The vast majority of nations will not admit you if you do not posesses some professional or high level skillthat will better their economy. Wehould do the same.


Robert Willis
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

My opinion ever since I could vote is that illegals should be forceably returned to their counttries of origin along with their children. I am a professional and worked diligently to raise the monies to send my two daughters to college yet when ever I checked my progress I found that I never gained due to fellows like the late Edward Kannedy who made a career of giving my earnings to others without my consent.
There are people in other lands who desire to immigrate lagally and follow that practice. They are put into limbo by those who take the law into their own hands. The vast majority of nations will not admit you if you do not posesses some professional or high level skillthat will better their economy. Wehould do the same.


Robert Willis
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

My opinion ever since I could vote is that illegals should be forceably returned to their counttries of origin along with their children. I am a professional and worked diligently to raise the monies to send my two daughters to college yet when ever I checked my progress I found that I never gained due to fellows like the late Edward Kannedy who made a career of giving my earnings to others without my consent.
There are people in other lands who desire to immigrate lagally and follow that practice. They are put into limbo by those who take the law into their own hands. The vast majority of nations will not admit you if you do not posesses some professional or high level skillthat will better their economy. Wehould do the same.


kkahn
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

To Irish_Wake in your response to JMiller: Good on your review of 246 but you did not go far enough. “Nothing in thisw subtitle shall allow federal payments…etc…” But CRS (Congressional Research Service) points out that HR3200 DOES NOT contain any restrictions on non-citizens, legal or illegal,or in the US permanently or temporarily, participating in the Exchange. So this tells us that illegal immigrants, along with some temp workers/visitors will be required to have insurance and can use the Exchange in spite of a bar on them receiving taxpayer-financed affordable credits.FURTHER, the bill does NOT include any means of determining their legal or illegal status. Most programs have in the past required the use of SAVE (Systematic Alien erification for Entitlements) to prevent illegal immigrants from getting benefits. SAVE is currently used for 71 other means-tested programs like this. However, on 7/16 an amendment by Dean Heller (NV) that would have required the use of this program was defeated in the House Ways & Means Committee. Now there is nought to prevent illegal immigrants from accessing the proposed taxpayer-subsidized health insurance.


kkahn
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

To Irish_Wake, I might add for you to research the following site so you will know I am not referring necessarily to “illegal” Mexicans since I am a part-time resident of NM and have no particular problem with them. See: http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2… You will see that our present govt has relocated Somalians & Hamas immigrants into a small village of Shelbyville, Tn. You might want to check it out. Also, go to the Truth about the Health Dare Bill written by Michael Connelly a Constitutional Law instructor in Carrollton, Tx/author. Email him at mrobertc@hotmail.com or go to http://www.trafford.com/04-2710 Irish, I caution you that more than deciding right or wrong about Wilson, the importance lies in the fact that Congress has NO Constitutional right to write a universal health bill for us at all. They are violating our rights by doing so and they need to stop. Peace


thida
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 2:34 am

You, the author of this article, is lying. No one wants illegal immigrants to die or be uneducated. As a “U.S.” legislator, his job is to protect “American” benefits. That means he has to make sure that Americans who work 40 hours/week only to make enough for their family don't have to give up some consumption that they could afford if their money wasn't taxed to pay for illegal immigrants' health care and education. A job as a “U.S.” legislator is not to serve illegal immigrants. He's just doing his job and you are just lying!
The U.S. government provides foreign aid to many poor countries. If you want to help them, help them build freedom and good economy at home, not here in the U.S. to suck American blood.


bobhensley
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

does anyone actually believe the illegals won't get the health care? The Democrats will just reward them for breaking our laws by making them lagal like they did before. The ONLY thing they should get is a trip back to where they came from from. These people in Washington are so afraid of losing the Hispanic vote they won't do what is right.


kkahn
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

bobhensley you are right and we have more dangerous immigrants to worry about than Mexicans. We already have Somalians and Hamas immigrants “legally” brought into our country and set up in a small town near Nashville, Tn…called Shelbyville. Look it up and you can be for sure that they are ALREADY receiving free healthcare as well as jobs that Americans should have (Tyson chicken).


kkahn
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

tyndal1 What fruits and veggies? Govt bills have diverted water from our commercial farms for various lame excuses so much of our veggies and fruits are coming from other countries. Where have you been? The Mexicans who work are climbing over the fence, headed for South America to work. Get real. As for hospitality industry, who has money and is traveling? Florida is suffering from lack of USE of their hotels/motels, etc. Also, many residents of the state work in the hotels, etc. as maids, waitresses, maintenance. What planet are you on?


wally11
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Soon after Rep. Wilson made the remark the health care bill was reworded, this was on the news. I also see where Obama is trying to legalize 12 to 20 million illegal aliens or more who knows how many are here? I live in Houston Texas and if you go to the emergency room they are full of Hispanics, and I don't see any nearly dying, one nurse told me sometimes they come if they have a headache. Texas spends $4.7 billion dollars a year on illegal aliens, California spens $10.5 billion per year. you can take this state by state and see why our healthcare and state budgets are in such bad shape. When you have billions spent on illegal aliens plus $11 billion dollars in health care fraud per year I would think congress could do something about this instead Obama wants to legalize illegal aliens with amnesty. Who do you think is footing this bill. Reward them for breaking our laws. The job of the U.S. goverment is to protect our borders not legalize millions of illegal aliens ever 10 or 20 years. Who do you think the liar is?


kkahn
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

Wally11 Thks for the info; I believe everything you wrote and it is disgusting what this admin is doing to our country. There is no doubt in my mind nor anyone I know that Joe Wilson spoke the truth and with his two words actually made many Americans aware of the intent of the speaker who calls himself our prez.


Jaybear1986
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 2:41 am

Add me to the list to support Legal immigration. I was a manager for a Major Supermarket Chain for 9 years. 90% of the people who paid with food stamps and WIC could not even speak english. To give you an example of some of the other 10%, I knew of one person who could afford a Benz but paid for her food with food stamps, another couple drove a Ford F-250 Lariat all of the bells and whistles, and pretty new, but bought their food with food stamps. I made pretty good money and could not afford either of these vehicles, unless I was getting food stamps. So please don't tell me that the system is messed up. I have seen it myself. When the Government gets involved it's going to be screwed up and full of fraud!!!!!!


Jeanne Macdonald
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Senator Joe Wilson is lying. When will people like Joe Wilson wake up and smell the truth?


lvbillwilson
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 6:32 am

Obama is lying.
If he could get the health bill through congress he would have illegal immigrants eligible for free health care. He has said as much in his speeches when he refers to the cost of treating them free now.


tyndal1
Comment posted September 20, 2009 @ 8:54 am

You get real. Who do you think I see picking fruits at the fruit & vegetable
farms in Pa? Who do you think I see working as maids in the hotels when I
go to Las Vegas & Atlantic City? They damn sure aren't regular U S
Americans. What planet are you living on? I know we get a lot of fruit from
S America but we still have apple, vegetable & peach farms here in Pa.

It sure makes a lot of sense for Mexicans to climb over the fence to come
here to go further south when the U S is north of S America & Mexico is in
Central America, duh. You sound like Joe Wilson.


kkahn
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 12:40 am

tyndal1 And you sound like a teenie bopper with your duh idiotic answers and not worth discussing anything. For your silly info, I have lived all over this country, not just the hicky hills of Pa with your idiots in charge. Take a few trips and widen your silly horizons. Time for your beddy-bye so you can spell your way thru one of your lying history books tomorrow right after you get home from no church. When Mexicans climb over the fence to go back to their actual home, that is SOUTH, dumbo, and they continue SOUTH to get to Guatemala and S Amer, Costa Rica, etc. I have been to those places. Have you? Stay in Pa.


tyndal1
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 9:23 am

You are as ignorant as you sound, just like Barney Frank said to the fool
who insulted his heritage when he said talking to her was like talking to a
table. I didn't ask you to discuss anything thing with me in the first
place., so go crawl under rock, dumb asshole. Where do you think your dumb
hero Wilson stayed when he went to the Republican convention, Minnesota
where he probably encountered Hispanic maids just as I did when I stayed in
hotels in Chicago, Detroit, Las Vegas & Atlantic City. Your lack of
intelligence shows when you insult yourself. I have been to Honduras, Panama
& Mexico for your information. I was also born in the south so I have that
experience too. My sister lives in a coo-op in Valrico, Fl. & I don't think
that they have cut all of the citrus trees down so there should still be
fruit trees in Fl. Besides, why are you so sensitive? I did not ask you
where you hibernate & I am sure some of the food eaten in Florida is grown
there. I am turning off the discuss notification.


presidentobama
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

Citizens I must now put in my two cents. We are all Americans (at least you all are) and we need to work together so that we can see things my way. I ran on the promise of change and change is exactly what I expect to leave in your pocket after I take all your dollars to fund my whims. When I am done raping you for healthcare I intend to go after your guns as I believe only the government should have them so we are in control. You wanted change and I promise you will look back after my term and see many things have changed! You need to understand we must take from the wealthy and give to the poor, it is the right thing to do. Who better than the federal government to run a healthcare plan? I think in the end the government can run all the business in the USA better than you can so relax and enjoy your government burger and sip from your government coke. I got your cars, your banks, and your mortgage companies and soon I will have your insurance. CHANGE is good.


presidentobama
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

I have had a lot of emails chastising me for my last comment so let me spell it out for you jar heads. The government already controls most everything so stop resisting! Look at it like this —

ATF
FAA
FCC
FDA
IRS

You get the picture? Things are better when we control them! Nothing you do escapes the control of the government, we control your food (the farmers), your fuel, your electricity, your income, your cars, your money, and soon your healthcare. We snubbed the second amendment in the 1930s, 1960s and again in the 1980s and we will once more in the coming years. You see the government knows to boil a frog you must place him in the water when it is cold and slowly heat it up or he will just jump out! Welcome to slavery FROGS.


chrisjay
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 1:13 pm

Mr President, can I help choose who goes in the FEMA camps first? I would choose all of the fat white whining Fox-loving fruitcakes and teabaggers who have been asleep for 8 years while your predecessor assembled this awesome array of imperial executive powers. Since he was white and had a funny accent like them they thought he was cool! They wanted to have a beer with him LOL. All the while he was whittlin' away at the Bill o'Rights with the warrantless wiretappin and those pathetic “Free Speech Zones” n' all. Boy are you EVER right about the frog in the slowly boilin' water, just look at the damage he did for 8 years, while calling his critics traitors—–now they're callin' your supporters race-traitorsLOL—well, far as I'm concerned they deserve everything you can throw at 'em, since hypocrites—especially of the whining variety—just annoy the heck out of me. Keep up the good work & say hi to Hillary for me!


Psyllicon
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 1:20 am

His lack of decorum was truly unforgivable. I recognize that he did apologize to the President (however indirectly) – but I also recognize that his adamant refusal to apologize to his colleagues should be a punishable offense. Case closed.

However, your conjecture regarding emergency medical treatment was disingenuous at best. You follow that by attacking the ALIPAC as 'restrictionist' – now, I won't debate that one with you at all, but you have to admit that was a Choice adjective… I, on the other hand, prefer to see the ALIPAC as supporting our Constitutional and Judicial obligations.

The 14th Amendment was written for a very specific purpose, and written well I might add. But the specificity has been extrapolated to infer that a person's physical presence sufficiently equates to being 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'

Frankly, I fail to comprehend how the act of someone jumping across a line that they KNEW they were not supposed to cross could possibly be defensible. Any and all benefits that they (or any of their offspring for that matter) have acquired or experienced from that point on are thereby unjust and equally indefensible.

Basic Human Rights can be expected during their capture and judicial proceedings, but nothing more. And I do NOT feel that a person who is unable to prove their own legal presence in these States should be represented on the Taxpayers' back.

Send them home, and send Felipe Calderone the bill~


Anonymous
Comment posted November 12, 2009 @ 8:27 am

No. It is Caesar’s because your Lord and Savior said it is.

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Anonymous
Comment posted November 12, 2009 @ 8:33 am

The New Testament is liberal media????

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