Another Day, Another ‘Birther’ Forgery

By
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 at 11:00 am

Josh Gerstein is all over the Justice Department’s filing in Orly Taitz’s latest “birther” lawsuit. Taitz’s suit includes — not as evidence, but as something she wants the court to verify — a ridiculously obvious forgery of a 1961 Kenyan birth certificate, obtained by a man who identifies himself as “Lucas Smith, an American,” who debuted the certificate via a shaky, “Blair Witch Project”-style video before submitting it to Taitz.

How do we know it’s a forgery? Because in a lengthy article on the case, WorldNetDaily notes that it “has reported on an authentic 1961-era Kenyan birth certificate, which looks distinctly different from the document Smith released in the video.” Not that this prevented them from headlining the new story “Panic in D.C.?”

You can follow TWI on Twitter and Facebook.

Follow David Weigel on Twitter


Comments

846 Comments

Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

Now c’mon antibirther…you know the blowers don’t want to know what the law and courts state, it’s more important to them what they think. But, then again, they only believe in the constitution when it fits their needs.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

granny2 YOU LIAR……(Section 301 of the Act).

“Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

“(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

“(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least FIVE of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.


slimslowslider
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

i think antibirther one this round. Just sayin.


Donald
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Hey Antibirther,

President Obama was born in Hawaii and that makes him BLACK. He was born to a white American woman and that makes him BLACK. His American grandparents were white, so that makes him BLACK. He attended a predominantly white college, so that makes him BLACK. He became a US Senator with one of the highest level of security clearance, so that makes him BLACK. He ran for the Presidency of the USA, so that makes him BLACK. He conducted some world travel, so that makes him BLACK. He gives a crap about ALL Americans, so that makes him BLACK. He cares enough to listen to all sides of an issue, so that makes him BLACK. His father was BLACK; and it is NOT important where his father is from because that makes him BLACK!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

birther825, even if the case of Wong Kim Ark never came before the court, the 14th amendment settles the issue definitively.

You did read the portion of the 14th amendment I posted above, didn’t you? On some level I have the feeling that I’m being punk’d, because no one, not even a birther, could be as stupid and deluded as you are.

Either way, I’m done doing your work for you. Since you want the president out of office so badly, you’d best come up with a legal theory that doesn’t make all of the other retarded kids on the short bus laugh at you.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Re: “I think the Lucas Smith BC is the real deal. ”

It is a crude forgery. Notice the date format in the two cases where the document shows dates in the slash format. This follows the order Month/Date/Year as is the procedure in the USA. But in Kenya and Britain the order is Date/Month/Year. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_date#dd.2Fmm.2Fyyyy_or_dd.mm.yyyy_.28day.2C_month.2C_year.29)


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

The Wikipedia article you cite clearly lists both Kenya and Britain as following the format Date/Month/Year. Kenya is listed right after Kazakhstan and before Kuwait. Britain is listed as United Kingdom.

The alleged birth certificate did not follow the format Date/Month/Year. It followed the US format of Month/Date/Year. It is a forgery.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

If I hadn’t got to you, you wouldn’t have responded….

I must have touched a nerve…


budd
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

You forget. We owe you idiots NOTHING. NOT A F*CKING THING! The PRESIDENT has been elected. The PRESIDENT has taken the oath of office. The PRESIDENT will continue being the PRESIDENT untill his term or terms are up. I’m sorry your life is so pathetic that you can’t accept this.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

Jessie,
 
I have no reason to show respect to any c**t, including unlettered trailer trash like yourself who appears unable to form a proper sentence in the Queen’s English, and whose approval I need not one little bit. What are you eubonics-imparied or do you just speak ghetto jive? At least my parent were married, unlike most of the filth with which you and you fellow specimens pollute the planet – fit only for slavery.
 
So die c**t and raise the average IQ in the world. Mine by the way, measures at 146.


wrench
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

“Because in a lengthy article on the case, WorldNetDaily notes that it “has reported on an authentic 1961-era Kenyan birth certificate,”

You have not been keeping up have you….
Originally 7 points were raised by WND. Must have been refuted, 2 were left last night and this morning 1 left. The image WND have claiming to be a 1960's era birth certificate is actually a page from the REGISTRATION book.

Go and report on the hastily arranged education (aka wag the dog) speech.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

1) The Orly/Lucas document states “Mombasa, British protectorate of Kenya.” 1n 1961, Mombasa was part of Zanzibar.
2) The dates are written American style month/day/year. In Kenya they do it British style, day/month/year.

I predict that Orly's suit will be quite rightly dismissed.

The issue, as the DOJ has correctly pointed out, is one of “Standing.”

In the U.S. we do not have a category of “General Standing” from which to bring a lawsuit.

In order to file you must have suffered a direct and unique harm.

The plaintiffs can not show this, they can only allege a general harm, and thus they will have their buts kicked out of court today.


wrench
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

1) The Orly/Lucas document states “Mombasa, British protectorate of Kenya.” 1n 1961, Mombasa was part of Zanzibar.

Err… no it was not, it has been leased from Zanibar by the British Government since the 1880's. “British Protectorate of Kenya” was the correct and official form of addressing Mombasa in 1961.

Next…..

2) The dates are written American style month/day/year. In Kenya they do it British style, day/month/year.

Errr…..no, wrong again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_formats

The DOJ motion to dismiss is worthless but we will have to see what Judge Carter says.

Not a winner – thanks for playing.


wrench
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

Re: Wikipedia cite.

Look at Kenya on the map, Obots vandalized the text.

BTW, I spent some time in Kenya in the 80's and dealing with both formats is a PITA.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Speaking from experience,i was in special forces,MOS/18D, all operators must have a top secret clearence. Don’t you think if the president has access to nuck.launch code’s,his security clearence would be above top secret? In order to receive a clearence you must submit to a background check.This would not be an issue if president Obama was not a black man. YOU LOST GET OVER IT.

Msgt Moore/18D


Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

This is going nowhere…except to Fox News for an interview. Good for entertainment value, though, nice to realize these deranged folks are out there…so keep up the delusional work!


Hypocrite Spotter
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

“Errr…..no, wrong again”

If you're going to cite Wikipedia AND denigrate it as a source, I will be forced to mock you as deserved.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

Unfortunately Orly didn't learn about Constitutional Law, Civil Procedure, or Professional Responsibility at her online law school. My guess is that she picked up the bits and pieces of what little she knows about the law from the transmissions picked up by her tinfoil hat.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

note the date format written in the authentic 1961 registration
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…
day/month/year.

Too bad, so sad.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

Hey, Wrench, it appears that you have as poor an understanding of the legal concept of “Standing.” as Orly does.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Yes, he’s black. So? Seems like you have a problem with it?


OnTheFenceline
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Likely a citizen, but perhaps a naturalized citizen, our President and his administration continue to dodge the release of a long form BC and further erode confidence in this great nation. Our military and civilian populations trust in the executive branch is under threat from an administration that certainly has something to hide about the man who occupies the highest office in the land. This is clear by their use of ridicule, man's most often used yet least effective tool, and their refusal to provide simple documents that would put the issue to rest. The term “birthers” itself is designed to cast a negative conspiratorial light on any individual who wishes to see documentation of our President's past. It's much like the “truther” term used to describe any individual who questions the official story of 9/11/01.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

Actually, the platnum blonde wig is really platnum. Much better than tinfoil.


A New Birth Certificate Has Emerged! - Christian Forums
Pingback posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

[...] [...]


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

He was born in Honolulu. That makes him a natural born citizen.

End of the argument.


Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

Wait a minute, they don't have to dodge, they've legally proven he was born in Hawaii. It's the other folks, like you fence, who keep asking him to prove it with a non-legal document. Maybe we should call you folks “blowers” instead of “birthers” now…since a group now wants to see if Obama's been circumcised. See how that works, fence…prove one thing, they ask for 20 more. If you're never going to satisfy delusional people the best way to handle them is by ignoring and not answering them. So, Obama's proven to be smarter than “blowers”…not much of a stretch!


birther825
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

David,

Are you just an idiot?

WND did not display a BC from Coast Province General Hospital. Of course it's going to look different.

I think the Lucas Smith BC is the real deal. It wasn't until he presented it that I started looking into the Hawaiian COLB. When I did, I started looking at other COLBs. I noticed that almost all of them denoted “date accepted by state registrar”. However, Obama's has “date filed by registrar”. -I managed to find one other that had also had “date filed by registrar”. That COLB didn't have an “Island of Birth” noted. -That alone is intriguing. (These are just Hawaiian COLB's that I'm looking at)

Obama's Kenyan grandmother says that he was born in Kenya, and that she witnessed his birth. -No one has presented grounds to impeach the voluntary testimony of his grandmother. In addition, no claim was ever made by his mother's mother to have attended the birth. Tell me; what mother doesn't attend the birth of their daughter's first born…when they live in the same city.

For the first time in the history of the U.S., men and women of our Armed Forces are questioning the legitimacy of the Commander-in-Chief..during a time of war. I can't come up with one good reason, when the possibility of a foreign birth is more than merely colorable, that Obama would not release his vault copy simply to stop dissention among the ranks.

Dr. Fukino has not worked for the Hawaii Dept. of Health for very long. -Back when Obama was born, births could be reported by a family member. It is possible that Dr. Fukino would not recognize the difference between a hospital birth, and a birth reported by a relative.

-I personally verified much of the information contained on the Kenyan BC. Contrary to the statements of WND, Coast Province General Hospital was in operation at least six years prior to Obama's birth. In addition, I can document the attending physician at a sister hospital on ly 8 miles away in 1960..he ran the hospital. –The embossed seal of the hospital is not something that could be photoshopped, and the current hospital administrator signed the document…even if the hospital (for any reason) would decline to stand by the document, his signature could be verified by experts.

Lastly, there is always a guy looking to make a buck or get some attention. It's relatively easy to con somebody on Ebay, but it's quite another thing to try to con a judge. Why would a guy appear in front of a judge..just to get five years in prison. In addition, he would be prohibited from making any money off of the crime.

At this point, Lucas would have nothing to gain, and Obama has everything to lose. Always question the guy with the most to lose. In this case, I think that is clearly Obama.

Obama has a lot of rich and powerful friends. Don't you think one of them would have produced the birth certificates of ten other Kenyans..even if just to the media..to expose the fraud?

–I didn't vote for Obama or McCain. Neither met the NBC requirement. They both, had to at least, suspect that they didn't (since the Supreme Court has never settled the situation of either). As such, neither was willing to question the constitutional qualifications of the other. -We had the “perfect storm”.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

Bless you, you clear-thinking rascal.


Reality Check
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

“Obama's Kenyan grandmother says that he was born in Kenya, and that she witnessed his birth.”

A birther lie debunked ad nauseam. Repeating a lie doesn't magically make it come true.
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence…

“Back when Obama was born, births could be reported by a family member.”

BZZZZT. False. Newspaper birth and death announcements are reported by the DOH.

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

Birfoons deserved to be ridiculed, mocked and exposed for the cockroaches and hypocrites they are. I'll choose to believe the Republican Governor oof Hawaii and the DOH of the State of Hawaii over mouth breathing, delusional, fear mongerers like “birther825″.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

===”Obama's Kenyan grandmother says that he was born in Kenya, and that she witnessed his birth. -No one has presented grounds to impeach the voluntary testimony of his grandmother.”===

Try again. She quite clearly states that he was born in Hawaii.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

Well, we ridicule you guys because you deserve ridicule. You believe in a conspiracy theory that has no basis in logic, fact, law, or reality. The COLB issued by Hawaii is an official state document and would be acceptable as evidence in any court of law. Being born in a hospital doesn't make you an American citizen, and being born with witnesses present doesn't make you an American citizen. Having the name of the doctor on the COLB will do nothing to make it any more legal than it already is. Having the baby's footprint on the COLB will do nothing to make it more legal than it already is.

The burden of proving the President's illegitimacy rests solely on the birthers; until they prove otherwise (and they never, ever will), you'll just have to live with the horrible thought that the guy currently occupying the White House is there legally because he is a natural born citizen, as defined under 14th Amendment and required by Article II of the Constitution.


strangely_enough
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

The irony! It burns!1!


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

===”Obama has a lot of rich and powerful friends. Don't you think one of them would have produced the birth certificates of ten other Kenyans..even if just to the media..to expose the fraud?”===

you say that as if the rich and powerfull actually care about what you think. BWAAAHAAAHAAA.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Only takes one name.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

“I can't come up with one good reason, when the possibility of a foreign birth is more than merely colorable,”
======================================================================

It's colorable that when I go to bed at night, the gnomes that live in my freezer steal my pop-tarts and sell them for money to by crystal meth. It's also colorable that Santa Claus really does exist. A lot of things are colorable, but that in no way makes them realistic or likely.

If the rest of what you're saying is even remotely true, then godspeed young birther…Orly Taiatz needs your help!


strangely_enough
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

“This is clear by their use of ridicule…”
As opposed to simply laughing at people saying things that are ridiculous.


birther825
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

She only makes that statement after being coaxed to change her original claim. We call that “2.5 knowledge” -knows correct answer when told.

You'll notice that your “supporting” blog makes sure to direct you to the place, but never directs you to her original claim.


strangely_enough
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

“It's relatively easy to con somebody on Ebay”
WND, too.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

I wonder if that hideous excuse for a rug is strong enough to pick a few tidbits on the Federal Rules of Evidence? My guess is…no.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

No, there is no “Original Claim.” there is a lot of translational difficulties and issue related to whether they were talking about Sr. or Jr. Otherwise, it is all a bunch of nonsense on your part.

I take the word of the duly authorized state registrar of Hawaii over your bungled and inchoherant interview.

He was born in Honolulu, you lose.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

Birthers color outside the lines.


birther825
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

I see your “blog evidence” and raise you a foreign source.

Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

Are you back there doing a little licking? So what if he is a muslim. Did you know that the founding fathers the right love so much were not Christians? That is why they wrote separation between state and church. Christians have always been a despised group of self righteous fanatics that have practiced brutal torture on the non believers. AND BEHEADINGS!!!!!!! Not all christians are bad people, just the ones who want to take over the country and run it like a theocracy like Piglan.


birther825
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

“Newspaper birth and death announcements are reported by the DOH”

Thanks for the lead-in! A birth, filed by a relative, directly with the Hawaiian DOH, would be reported by that same DOH to the newspapers. -Which accounts for the newspaper birth announcements.

Are you really trying to claim that Hawaii DID NOT permit relatives to file births with the DOH?
If needed, I'd be happy to provide you with the applicable statute.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

Barry Bonds? Why does he have to prove anything? Why wasn’t the republicant party more thorough? Like the people that vote on the right, their leaders are so stupid that they let a black illegal alien become elected president. Don’t blame liberals for this. We knew all along he was NOT a citizen. IT WAS OUR PLAN HATCHED A LONG TIME AGO.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as “Afterbirthers” demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. “All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels, preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery and this will all be over,” said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. “To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?”


birther825
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

Steve_X,

Since you had the nerve to base things on law; why don't you tell us where the 14th Amendment makes anyone a “natural born citizen”?

Now, who is making stuff up?


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Read the statute, the DOH was required to verify the reported information.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

You want to take all the fun out of it


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

That would be a question to ask the liberal media. Why is Death Panels a story? Almost anything seen or written today on MSN, you could ask the question, WHY? Why was his speech to children a story? Damn liberal media.


season
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Coming from the third world country I can tell you most of these countries don't have birth certificate and for a few $$ you can get these guys (govenment ) to make up what ever you want.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Jessie. If you did have an iq of 146, i would say you have burnt up too many brains cells. You sound like an uneducated, immature, 5th grader. Calling women names because you cannot compete with their intellect shows a narcissistic personality disorder.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

Taken directly from Section I of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

You may also want to take a look at the 1898 Supreme court case U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark,169 U.S. 649, for more information.

On an unrelated note, I have to say that I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to make up the Constitution as I go along, but I'm just a guy that knows how to read. Plus, I wasn't alive in 1868 when the amendment was ratified.

And before you go and starting talking about the Law of Nations or whatever you birthers cling to nowadays, keep in mind that the writings of Swiss philosophers do not take precedence over the Constitution or Supreme Court cases.


season
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

NOTE; To Old White Guys have the guts to say it is driving you crazy that a black man is in the White House.

Stop hiding behind these dumb allegation, you couldn't stop progress in the 60s even though you beat the students, you won't be able to do it now.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Do you understand that the term “Natural born” merely means “by nature of birth?” In other words it refers to an innate characteristic that is present at birth. Thus if you are born a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizenship since your citizenship is an innate characteristic of your birth.


richnerd
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

The FBI performs a thorough background check on all US Presidential candidates. While the FBI isn't perfect, they have developed a very thorough system for background checks. This includes birth certificates, document verification, interviews, previous employment and schools attended, interviews with neighbors, past and present, associations, relationships, clubs and any other information both public and private. Anyone assuming office who may potentially have access to the nation's top secrets must have the highest security clearance possible. I cannot understand why this simple fact escapes the MSM and the entire “Birther” controversy.


birther825
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

The only proof required when filing a foreign birth, was that the parents were “residents” for one year prior to the birth. Both his mother and father were “residents”, in accordance with the statute.

Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.


birther825
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

“The FBI performs a thorough background check on all US Presidential candidates.”

Show me the FBI directive the calls for such an investigation! You just made that up. If you didn't, you'll be able to present documentation supporting your claim. Without such documentation…you are a liar.


birther825
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

A bird crapped on a rock and the sun hatched him…You lose.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

you left out the most important part. the very end where it states: “[L 1982, c 182, §1].”

Did you see that?

That means that that particular statute was FIRST passed into law in 1982, chapter 182, section 1.

This law did not exist in 1961.

ooops. Your bad.


ferdeberfel
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

and so are you!


Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

They do thorough background checks on anybody with security clearance…including congressmen, senators, vp's, presidents. In fact, they did a background check on my older brother, and he was only a sargeant! So, birther, it is you who doesn't know what you're talking about.


birther825
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

Steve_X,

Since you're relying on Wong Kim Ark…why don't you quote the applicable statement of the court? It's easy, just show us where the Court declared that someone, whose father was a subject of another country, is a “natural born citizen” of the United States?.


blackerandprouder
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

On what planet do you spend most of your time? The highest office in the lad and you really need documentation to prove that this person is investigated to the max?
Well….yes he is and that box of Cornflakes you think is a Rooster jigsaw puzzle cannot be solved.
Now go back to third grade!


Pat
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

Then ask the FBI how a man who was a British citizen at birth, subject to British jurisdiction also be a “natural born American citizen” simultaneously? Being born on U.S. soil only makes one a “native born American citizen” a “natural born American citizen” is one who is born to two citizen parents and free of the jurisdiction of any foreign power! I cannot understand why this simple fact escapes the entire American nation!


gwyllem
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

That's because you are dead wrong. Native born, natural born? What creative writing class did you take?


tonism
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

Do any of the birther kooks think that President Obama gives a fudge about what they think?

He will be in the WH, like it or not, until the end of his term. So sorry that the haters just won't come out and admit that it is all because they cannot fathom a black man in the WH. It is so funny to experience all the vitriol. It used to upset me, but now I get solace from knowing that for the next 3 1/2 years they will wake up MAD every day.

And no matter what you say, invent, throw at him, and call him the “N” word, there is not a thing you can do about it. It must be so frustrating.


ymuttley
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

Just Take a look at this woman,she looks like someone who came out of the Adams family,Shes a freak and almost everyone knows it except of course the KKK loving,racist idiot right wing nut jobs who would not know the difference between a noun and a verb let alone decipher what is real and fake. Its too bad their so easily lead


FrancineA
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Except the old white guy today used to be the student… What in the world happened to these people. I am still trying to wrap my mind around my fellow 60's and 70's peers acting just like their parents and grandparents way back when. This is crazy.


Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Because you have less than no idea what a fact and what your imagination is, Pat. The facts you cite are for the leader of a communist country. If you were born in the USA you are a natural born citizen…no matter what nationality your parents are, unless you are part of the diplomatic corps or some such thing. Orly would be proud of you, though, understanding and repeating her delusional ideas. Maybe you should go to Russia and work for her?


chgoblue
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

I have worked in federal law enforcement for 13 years. Prior to being hired, the FBI exhaustively interviewed everyone that I had any type of meaningful contact with, from childhood through college, graduate school, and beyond. This included but was not limited to; former teachers, neighbors, friends, college roommates, ex-boyfriends, and friends of friends. I think it's safe to say someone holding a postion like the POTUS has been pretty thoroughly screened. I realize this bursts your little conspiracy bubble though.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Our founding fathers must be spinning in their graves from these un-American views.

If you were born here, then you are a natural born citizen.

That is the long and short of it.


scrzbill
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

I think the funniest thing about all of this is how the republicans were fooled into believing that Obama was a citizen. While the right has been publicly denouncing the left as kooks and nuts, we have been secretly devising a plan to bring a black man to be in the place of President of the United States who was not a citizen. We had to find the right black man. Obama was chosen many years ago by the Bin Laden family. Yes the same bin Laden family that was at the shrub ranch on 9/11. Documents were forged. Birth certificates in Hawaii were bought along with newspaper ads of his arrival. With the help of some loyal British friends who are also anarchists, we had the original documents of his birth in Kenya destroyed. Our plan has worked even better than we ever imagined. It is preposterous to claim the president is not a citizen and yet the right keeps hanging on to the trap. The liberals have done it again. Once when we elected a non citizen to become President and secondly, to make the righties look stupid, (Which BTW isn't that hard to do).


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

Oh, birther825, you are so witty, and clever. I wish I could be like you. {/sarcasm}


Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

What's really funny, to me, is they keep going to court to look for relief! That's where they totally show their ignorance of the constitution. The only way to remove a sitting president, is by an act of congress. For you blowers, the term is called impeachment. Since the court cannot provide relief, they have no standing. But, let them waste their time, energy, and money on this…keeps them away from poisoning the minds of kids.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

Here you go, I took the liberty of posting just the important points to help with your comprehension of the legal language.

————-

—-The Constitution of the United States, as originally adopted, uses the words “citizen of the United States,” and “natural-born citizen of the United States.” . . . .

—-The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution . . . . .

—-The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called “ligealty,” “obedience,” “faith,” or “power” of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual — as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem — and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.

— — — —

Any more questions?


Anna
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

This is the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time. Stop this nonsense, we have real problems to solve right now. O's grandmother said she was at his birth: “In Hawaii!”


c
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

Birthers are I.D.I.O.T.S.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

Hey Pat, since when do we, as Americans, care what the laws of another country state?


Barry
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Another…then another…oh yeah, then another. This is not about the place of birth of the President of the United States. This is racist code for all those people, clinging to their guns and bibles, who refuse to believe that THEIR vision for the country is not in vogue. As a late middle aged white male, let me state to all you naysayers….get used to it. This man has inherited tasks as great as Roosevelt. He did not create them…he inherited them from your vision of what government should be. He has handled himself with grace and dignity and deserves ALL of our support and prayers. Why do you folks always support things that are against your own best interests. I dont get it……


Moxo
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

Nobel Prize Committee announces America has won the first-ever “Nobel Prize for the Advancement of Utter Stupidity”.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Some more quotes:

——————-
— The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established. . .

— The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth. . .

— All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. . .

— The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.” . . .


No Plagiarism
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

If you're gonna quote The Onion you really ought to provide attribution.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Aw, come on, I figured a birther somewhere would believe it.


jrw712
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

Just another crazy c**t. Why did we ever allow females to participate in the political life of this country?


Granny2
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

The constitution says that a president must be a “natural born Citizen” which is interpreted to mean being an American citizen at the time of birth. This does NOT mean that someone must be born within The United States.
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 specifies that American citizenship is passed to a child born outside the United States to an American citizen who “was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.” President Obama's mother was an American who fulfilled those residency requirements. Barack Obama is a “natural born Citizen” even if he had been born abroad.


Granny2
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

The constitution says that a president must be a “natural born Citizen” which is interpreted to mean being an American citizen at the time of birth. This does NOT mean that someone must be born within The United States.
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 specifies that American citizenship is passed to a child born outside the United States to an American citizen who “was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.” President Obama's mother was an American who fulfilled those residency requirements. Barack Obama is a “natural born Citizen” even if he had been born abroad.


whoknew2
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Doesn't this woman have a job???? One would think that a dentist, lawyer and full-time “chicken little” look-alike would be too busy to continue on her insane campaign…… Yep, ONE would think, but obviously, the oily taint never does!


majordomo
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

I thought she died and went to hell?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

You must get your news from fnx

________________________________


michigirl
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

You obviously have too much time on your hands. Maybe you should spend some of that energy doing something that helps your country: go to school, take a course in Logic, or otherwise make yourself useful. I feel so sad for you.


bimant
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

speak for your third world country brother( all third world countries are not equal) the beautiful country of Barbados does have birth certificates and has always had them. the sad fact is that there are many white people that are RACIST, who gives a S$#$$ the world is moving forward, if you dont like it stay in your filthy stnking mobile home and drink cheap beer, it no longer a 100% white man's world


sanewoman
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

So what you're saying is that Obama's mother, at the age of 18, went by herself to Kenya to give birth to him. I think it was courageous of her to do so because she had no money and no family with her and must have been in an advanced state of pregnancy. I don't know how she did it without a passport, but maybe she stowed away on a container ship.

Once there, she got on a bus and found thousands of other white people fleeing because of political unrest. She must have been determined, however, and was intent on having her baby in a third-world country undergoing political unheaval.

Someone she had little Barack, got on some sort of transport without a passport for her or him and made it back to be reunited with her parents and husband.

She must have had some real pull with somebody at the hospital because she got them to fake a birth certificate and got the two local newspapers to announce the birth.

I know this because I am so incensed that a black man is president and, as a true Republican, I can't abide this.


birther825
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Granny2,

Do you read what you write?

How could someone who was 18 years old be a resident for 5 years after the age of 14?

5+14=19


mojo3
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Something! Please put this woman in a cannon and FIRE AWAY!!! PDQ (pretty damn quick).


Donald
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Hey Pat,

While you are at it, you might as well negate the first 14 USA Presidents's terms since their parents were NOT natural born citizens either! Don't forget Ford since we have no proof of his parents. This is by YOUR words!

So, that makes George Washington the first fraud President?!


mojo3
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Somebody! Please. Put this sick woman in a cannon and FIRE AWAY…PDQ(pretty damn quick)!


bimant
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

a jackass will always be a jackass (i say this with all due respect to donkeys) stop watching fox news and believe that you will ever hear the truth, also note that everything that cmes out of the mouths of republicans are lies, this is no joke it is very serious, read and research for yourself. I have a friend who applied to the CDC for a low level job, and I came home to find a letter from the FBI asking me in detail everything I knew about him. do you JACKASSES really believe that some one can be President of the USA and is not throughly checked by every agency in the country. if you believe that then you must also believe that sarah palin would make a good president. if that were to happen america would drop to a 5th world status. Assholes they SMELL


a2sec1
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

granny2 YOU LIAR….(Section 301 of the Act).

“Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

“(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

“(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.


Shaun
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

You fail at reading comprehension:

Total of five years, at least two of those five years after the age of 14…


Jessie
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

jrw712 I see you are to much of a coward to put in your information. How dare you be so disrespectful to call someone the c word? Shows how much class you have and how much your mother has for raising you. Your parents (if you ever had both in your life) should have been sterile. You belong with your affiliation, it warrants the lesser class and ignorance you so proudly reek of.


geminorange
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Except that many of the old, white guys were the guys swinging the batons and manning the fire hoses and the National Guardsmen at Kent State


a2sec1
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

granny2 you lie like all the rest dont you? “at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.” its FIVE YEARS NOT TWO.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

Good point, but it does not change the fact that his mother is an American Citizen….


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

Good point, but it does not change the fact that his mother is an American Citizen….


guest452
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

THAT THEASE SICK TWISTED RACIST ARE GIVEN A PLATFORM TO VENT THEIR INSANE RANTINGS IS UNBELIEVEABLE!!! PRESIDENT OBAMA IS TRYING TO CLEAN UP A LOT OF LEFT OVER CRAP. LETS DEAL WITH THAT!!


SPECOPS
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

Why is this a story?


a2sec1
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

So anyone who disagrees with a black man is a racist?


SPECOPS
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

How did pres.O get a above top secret clearence if he is not a citizen?


kenshade
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

It's amazing that while we are pulling ourselves apart over a man “NOT” being a citizen, our country is falling apart around us and so many don't seem the least bit interested. Every one of these people are busy looking at the leaking pipe coming from the wal and not seeing outside the window that the dam has burst and the wave of water is about to blow our house away. Such a sad state this nation is in all because of racism. Such a shame.


a2sec1
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

look what she wrote…. for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years. she lies like all the rest.


cjk002
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

No, anyone who uses racial terms when articulating their opposition to Obama is a racist.


michaelmartinez
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Granny 2 is failing to disclose that she was born in an air base at the Panama Canal and she is questioning her own citizenship. That's why she voted for McCain.

I think if you are truly here illegally, then you need to consider giving up your medicare…come clean lady!!!


guest452
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

I GUESS THE WHITE SHEETS ARE BEING GIVEN A PLATFORM TO PRETEND THEY HAVE LEGITIMATE PROBLEMS WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA. BUT CERTAIN PEOPLE CAN SEE THEIR RACIST TACTICS A MILE AWAY. AND THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR INSANITY THROUGH OUT HIS PRESIDENCY DEAL WITH IT . HELP OR HURT INSANITY IS A SAD PROBLEM.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:06 am

A natural born citizen isn’t necessarily born on US soil (you probably don’t know that do you?). A natural born citizen is one that hasn’t gone through the naturalization process. According to the US Code President Obama is natural born because he was born in Hawaii. But if you insist that he was born in Kenya he is still natural born because one parent (his mother) was a US citizen at the time of his birth and she had lived in the United States more than five years (she had lived here her entire life before she gave birth to him when she was almost 19). Those are the facts. Bend them into a pretzil and he’s still the president, and he is a natural born citizen.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

PS Google is a great tool. All you needed to do was google US Code Natural Born Citizen and you could have saved yourself some angst. You really need to get away from the birther propaganda, take a civics class and learn a little more about what it takes to be president. Born in Hawaii covers it.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:06 am

A natural born citizen isn’t necessarily born on US soil (you probably don’t know that do you?). A natural born citizen is one that hasn’t gone through the naturalization process. According to the US Code President Obama is natural born because he was born in Hawaii. But if you insist that he was born in Kenya he is still natural born because one parent (his mother) was a US citizen at the time of his birth and she had lived in the United States more than five years (she had lived here her entire life before she gave birth to him when she was almost 19). Those are the facts. Bend them into a pretzil and he’s still the president, and he is a natural born citizen.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

PS Google is a great tool. All you needed to do was google US Code Natural Born Citizen and you could have saved yourself some angst. You really need to get away from the birther propaganda, take a civics class and learn a little more about what it takes to be president. Born in Hawaii covers it.


Donald
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Hey Antibirther,

President Obama was born in Hawaii and that makes him BLACK. He was born to a white American woman and that makes him BLACK. His American grandparents were white, so that makes him BLACK. He attended a predominantly white college, so that makes him BLACK. He became a US Senator with one of the highest level of security clearance, so that makes him BLACK. He ran for the Presidency of the USA, so that makes him BLACK. He conducted some world travel, so that makes him BLACK. He gives a crap about ALL Americans, so that makes him BLACK. He cares enough to listen to all sides of an issue, so that makes him BLACK. His father was BLACK; and it is NOT important where his father is from because that makes him BLACK!


cjk002
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

wrong!

That law was revised by congress and made retroactive. The new requirement is two years.

Yet another example of birther ignorance.


guest452
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

ANOTHER WHO ME? TACTIC SEEING IT A MILE AWAY


cjk002
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

You're a crazy cunt too Jessie.


cjk002
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

You're a crazy cunt too Jessie.


Jessie
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Read BEFORE you post.


waitingfornaturalselection
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

actually he's BROWN


Jessie
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

Sweetie, don't confuse me with your mother… I know you are easily confused, since your IQ is less then 85 but I'm not your mother. Keep looking sweetie, you'll find her someday. Tell then keep chewing on your tree bark. LOL!!! Silly, you aren't going to get to me! Okay, I'm off this site to many dummies on here for my taste.


fatty1
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

A) What country was this crackpot born in?
B) Why are we giving her the time of day?
C) Anybody who believes one ounce of what she is saying is a closet racist.


richardgreer
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

Don't these people ever give up?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:28 am

So you are using Bristish Common Law instead of the US Constitution and the US Code? How American of you.

Keep yourself busy with this idiocy. Rational thinking people know better than to believe this birther bs.

Try reading this. It is actual US law as it pertains to the 14th Amendment of the Consitution. I would say that trumps Bristish Common Law any day (unless of course you’re from Britain).


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:28 am

So you are using Bristish Common Law instead of the US Constitution and the US Code? How American of you.

Keep yourself busy with this idiocy. Rational thinking people know better than to believe this birther bs.

Try reading this. It is actual US law as it pertains to the 14th Amendment of the Consitution. I would say that trumps Bristish Common Law any day (unless of course you’re from Britain).


Cody Robert Judy
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

Sadly the dis-service to the Constitition Art 2, which demands to be elligiable for the office of the President one has to be a “natural born” citizen was fraudulently represented by both Democrats and Republicans and there are legitimate arguments for both Barrack Obama and John McCain not being qualified. It's not a racial issue… it's a Constitutional One and for the most part American's know that without the Constitutional Republic for which we stand, no “ethnicity” is as strong as America United for the few principles of the U.S. Constitution that bind us as America's tapestry together as one. This is the secret to our freedom and liberty and the reason “race” is being used to divide. Yet we know we have come so far and will yet allow us to live our dreams and the reason why Taking A Stand is so vitally important. http://www.codyjudy.us


oldbuffpilot
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

Obama prays with his ass pointed west and that makes him MUSLIM.


Hivon
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

How about the next time she barge on the US soil, the Homeland Security put her on the next flight and fly her to whatever a loony house she come from? Re-instate torture and use it on her to see what foreign intelligence agency she is working for.


RedGraham
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

When your father is not an American Citizen and never became one. When your father was a Kenyan and therefore a British Subject under the British Nationality Act of 1948 which caused you to be born a British Subject at the moment of birth no matter where that birth took place. When your 2nd father took you to Indonesia and made you a Indonesian citizen and gave you a new name. You can never be considered a Natural Born American Citizen. Natural Born, old British Common Law, Born of Blood & Soil. That's the “Blood” of parents (with a “s” meaning both) and birth on the “Soil” of the country in question. There is no way the man in our White House today can be considered a Natural Born American Citizen under the requirement covered in John Jay's letter to George Washington.
& NO WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP.


50scutie
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

How about Barry just showing his legal documents instead of hiring lawyers. huh about that. There shouldn't be a question if all documents were not sealed. No other president in history has sealed all documents and then put a fake birth certificate online and a poor fake at that. I didn't give this a second thought until I saw that.


any2names
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

I guess his father gave birth to him too. Motherhood is certain, fatherhood is ?


angela sanders
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

build a bridge and get over it… Barack Hussein Obama is our president…. even your president…..
it's time to move forward as a country and quit the senseless, inane distractions from those not fully able to grasp reality.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

All of the stupid things you say (and that can never, ever be proven because they are not true) have any bearing on the 14th Amendment, which confers citizenship to anyone born on American soil.

You lose. Again.

Go back to remedial history class.


Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Red, I know you'll never give up…facts, laws, and the constitution don't matter to commies like you. Well, I guess the next step is for you to get on your knees and give a long, hard look at Obama's penis to make sure he's been circumcised…be sure to give the nice black man a loooong BJ while you're there. That's probably all that you'd be good for, since intelligence and logic are totally missing from your life.


dukeuch
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Read it again, slowlt. Slower still. Even slower. Got it now?


50scutie
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Where did you ever see that the president had above top secret clearence. (Made UP stuff doesn't impress to many people.


wilder5121
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

RedGraham dearly misses all those years he was focused intently on Bill Clinton's penis. So now he has a new obsession to keep him awake at night, after the orderlies inject him with his Thorazine.


Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Which he did, cutie. And, as you've shown, you are not even close to being any kind of an expert on fakes…you probably believe the one Orly is trying to pawn off on the courts. That poor fake has been verified by Hawaii as being real and true and legal…you, on the other hand, are just a poor lost soul.


dukeuch
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Actually, it says:

“…a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years…”

Understand?


igor
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

Good God, you are an idiot.


tyetye9899
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

Obama's mother is an American citizen. At birth, she passed that citizenship to him. It does not matter who his father is or where he came from. Obama is an American citizen via his mother. Case closed.


whydebatereality
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

I believe he's being sarcastic!


whydebatereality
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

I believe he's being sarcastic!


Carljr
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Let's try this one more time.

If a citizen born in the United States (HAWAII) does not or never intends to renounce his American citizenship then that individual is an American citizen. It doesn't matter what his folks did or where they lived. That's the law and the current legal precedent. For Obama to be Kenyan or Indonesian would require a formal, personal renunciation of citzenship to include surrendering his passport. His parents choices are irrelevant and citizenship is extended to a native born (HAWAII) American as a Constitutional, not British, principle.

That's why we deport parents but can't deport children of illegal immigrants. The founding fathers never qualified the Constitution based on the precedents in English Common Law and that's a new construction that I find surprising for a conservative. The founding fathers acknowledged the British Heritage of common law but the heritage of American legal precedents is the one that matters. Why would they and why do you continue to base your argument on something unrelated to that which is American common law?

Miss the little event called the American Revolution perhaps?

You guys got any of that evidence? Didn't think so.


jegmt
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

But wait…I thought he was a dirty, raging liberal who supports gay marriage and abortion rights. Which is it? Can't be both.


jacksondog
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Go ahead and keep reaching. The real America will actually focus on factual problems, and nto your fantasy.


Terry
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

John Jay's letter has no bearing there in do defined constitutional definition of natural born thus with an American Mother Pres. Obama is an American citizen. Birthers never tire of putting out false information on this subject-sore loserism,.


Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

Buff, so all those Catholic churches that happen to be built with the altar facing east means all those Catholics were closet Muslims? Better let the church know so they can get rid of them. Now, be a good old fart and get your nose out of Obama's ass, even if it does smell better than your home!


johnkalel
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

and your proof of that is…?


Poppy_Vanderbilt
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Holy cow…there are a lot of people out there who are desperate to have Biden for President…or else…maybe they think if Obama gets thrown out for being a top secret- kenyan born communist- anti christ- concentration camp building- peace corp army raising- evil outer space alien conspiracy plotter- new world order dictator-dirty health care reformer for the people-child mind stealer-candy from a baby takin-puppy abuser that somehow it will by default make Sarah Palin President….sorry..i looked into it…I hate to be the one to tell you…if Obama gets thrown out none of these people will be allowed to take office

Sarah Palin
Rush Limagh (sp?)
Bill O'reilly (sp?)
Ronald Reagan (dead)
Charlton Heston (dead)
Jesus (dead)
Mel Gibson as that scottish dude
Mel Gibson as that revolutionary dude
Mel Gibson as the drunk Jew hating dude
Pat buchanan (dead?)
Robert E Lee (dead)
That dude who shot Lincoln (dead)


archie456
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

it's called sarcasm douchebag. he's making fun of morons like you. and you're to dumb to get the joke.


moreDumber
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

And so the f what if he WAS muslim?!?


Dee3
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Kenyan society is not like American Society, birth certificates, census, people accounting etc. is not done as it is here. What makes you think that in the 1961 Kenyan society it was the norm for everyone to have a birth certificate in the first place? Kenyans know their family tree, but especially 50 years ago did not write it down. Only those who went to a government school are known and named by the government.


blackman2
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

How can these unlettered idiots persist in this birther folly. Don't they have cousins and siblings to impregnate while watching Sarah Palin videos?


SamtheMan
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Yes, Red, Please don't give up. Your actions highlight the fools that you hateful, bigoted Repugs are. Palin for Prez!


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

The Constitution of the United States, as originally adopted, uses the words “citizen of the United States,” and “natural-born citizen of the United States.”

The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution.

The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called “ligealty,” “obedience,” “faith,” or “power” of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual — as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem — and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.

The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.”

The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.

All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.

The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.

—–

Plagerized from United States V. Wong Kim Ark.


Shaun
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

It's obvious from RedGraham's comment that there is nothing that can be done to satiate the birthers. There is no document that can tell them otherwise. There is no account that can sway their decision. There is no possible flaw in the conclusion that they have already assembled. They just haven't found the “proof” yet, but that's just a minor detail.

Honestly, arguing with someone of that mindset is a lesson in futility. Let them spin their wheels. In fact, we should be encouraging them to raise their hands and state their opinions, so that we know who the the loonies are.

What's most ironic is that the people doing the greatest injustice to the birther conspiracy theorists is the birthers themselves. The more fake documents and false leads that they produce, the more wildly insane they look.

So, please, let's see some more documents. Perhaps an email from the Kenyan royal family asking for a small sum of money in exchange for a larger sum of money and an Obama birth certificate later.


blackman2
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

I completely agree except for the Jesus cut. I am a Christian. I am also far left of center, as was the Jesus these idiots claim to worship. Let's liberate ourselves from offending the religious sensibilities of those with whom we disagree politically. All believers are not right wing idiots.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

you forgot Mell Gibson as the Mad Max dude


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

What about Uber alles top secret. Does he have that????


heath care reform now
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

In order for the president elect and his cabinet picks to be given top secret briefs of events and happenings in/concerning America that require a top security clearance, they went through the process as is always done. Just like Senators and Representatives go through a process to be privy to secret and top secret info as needed, depending on their positions on committees and the like. Do you really think even an elected president would not go through a process? Get real people. President Obama is our president and is duly qualified to be. If you people put half as much effort toward something constructive, you could really get something done. The top official in Hawaii again (July, 2009) confirmed she verified the original document on file in the records and there is no doubt that the president was born in Hawaii on the date and time and to the parents previously reported. No question. Period. End of story.


P Nutt
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Why is ANYONE paying any attention to this looney ? Send her back to Russia – she's the one who isn't an American !!!!


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

Actually, the GOP has plans to reanimate Reagan's corpse so that it can run in 2012. From what I was told, Palin's witch doctor should be performing the festivities.


joaquin09
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

read this section of the British Nationality Act of 1948 especially sub-section 3 and if you want to the rest of the act is here for you to read

British nationality by virtue of citizenship.

1.—(1) Every person who under this Act is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or who under any enactment for the time being in force in any country mentioned in subsection (3) of this section is a citizen of that country shall by virtue of that citizenship have the status of a British subject.

(2) Any person having the status aforesaid may be known either as a British subject or as a Commonwealth citizen; and accordingly in this Act and in any other enactment or instrument whatever, whether passed or made before or after the commencement of this Act, the expression “British subject” and the expression “Commonwealth citizen” shall have the same meaning.

(3) The following are the countries here in before referred to, that is to say, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Newfoundland, India, Pakistan, Southern Rhodesia and Ceylon.

by the way southern Rhodesia is Zimbabwe now and Ceylon is Sri Lanka i don't see Kenya ? so i guess you should make up another lie and use a source that actually supports your argument.
the rest of it is here http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:26 am

What makes me feel confident I am right is that any reasonable person knows that there is not one shred truth in the entire birther facade, it is a guise, a mask, a cover for the racism that fans the flames of your hatred. Orly Taitz is a nitwit and a fraud, and hopefully will soon be disbarred.

You and your party spent 8 years ruining this nation, attempting to dismantle the constitution, and making us a laughing stock the world over, along with ruining the economy, you ought to be hanging your head in shame, but your type never does.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:26 am

What makes me feel confident I am right is that any reasonable person knows that there is not one shred truth in the entire birther facade, it is a guise, a mask, a cover for the racism that fans the flames of your hatred. Orly Taitz is a nitwit and a fraud, and hopefully will soon be disbarred.

You and your party spent 8 years ruining this nation, attempting to dismantle the constitution, and making us a laughing stock the world over, along with ruining the economy, you ought to be hanging your head in shame, but your type never does.


DakotaBoy
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Careful… satire doesn’t seem to be recognized by the birthers. It just confuses them.


DakotaBoy
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Careful… satire doesn’t seem to be recognized by the birthers. It just confuses them.


tse123
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

these people are stupid. Even the date format proves it wrong. In Kenya, you have day/mon/yyyy. this shows an american forgery as the signor dated the document mon/dd/yyyy/


mattthomas
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Oh my……God…….Still she is around……..I cant believe it ..still this looney crazy woman have a place in American conservative poiltics….


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

How do they write dates? Day/month/year as in “today is 8/9/2009,” or is it month/day/year as in “Today is 9/8/2009?”


moneyp
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

Ms. Orly Taitz I have one question for you on this whole subject. Why did the Supreme Court turn this issue down? Why hasn't this lady gone to present her case to the US Supreme Court instead of going from one show to another to be heard only to start crying when she is challenged on her view? Let's see what will happen when you make your case. And when you are turned down, like I know you will be, then you should be silent and go on about your business. You're not even a citizen of the United States, so why are you so worried? You have nothing to stand on.


bdog1
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

Send the treasonous witch back home and revoke her visa/papers/whatever.
The G-NO-P has been taken over by insane bigots.


rskaz
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

In Orly's little mind, the fact that it's another forgery PROVES it's legit! After all. Why would Obama's media “brownshirts” forge two documents rather than produce the REAL Kenyan birth certificate? Because there isn't one!….No wait…I mean, they're hiding the original in Hawaii….the Weather Underground has it…My hair hurts.


bartolo
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Oily and her ilk should all be taken deep sea fishing and used for bait. It's time to clean out the anti-American crazies. This is the same thing they did when President Clinton won. It wouldn't matter who won on the Democratic side the response and actions of the republicans and the right wing will be constant opposition regardless of they damage it does to America and the American people. The same goes for Fauz Newz and the Anti-Democracy talking heads. Take em out with the garbage. They are like a putrid infection or cancerous tumors. We must heal the country of their toxic poison.


Etraveler13
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Boy are you all scared. If you really believe this guy, you have to ignore all the information in the past week, verifiable facts that prove Corsi is incorrect, and gives links to prove each statement false.
If this gets a fair hearing, all these facts will come out, as they are brought up.
The Obamabots are out in full. I think its funny, that you will spend so much time trashing this woman, and either do not know the facts, or refuse to believe them…
Sad people, really sad…


cathygram
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

Please stop giving this woman any kind of platfrom. She will go away when everyone ignores her. These racist, lying idiots do not deserve any print or air time.


RoadScholar
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

So… which one's a “verifiable fact”… the previous forgery, or this new one?

You agree with the conspiracy-theorist nutbags, based on no evidence whatsoever, and I believe the Court:

'The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe, egging each other on.”'


bdog1
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

OldBP prays w/his ass pointed east and that makes him an idiot.


Dentuso
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Okay… So um… this BC doesn't have any Swahili – which is the other official language. Oh… and the doc refers itself as being an official, recognized by the Province of Coast, Republic of Kenya. In a different section it has the document as being from the Province of Kenya. Oh.. and the date format isn't English. It's American. Is this woman REALLY that stupid, or is this a matter of her wanting to “get hers” when there's such a massive bucket of southern stupid to exploit?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:11 am

Look moron, the LONG FORM as you call it is avaible to the person who the certificate is referring to their legal guardian or next of kin, all you have to do when you send in your request is ask for the LONG FORM. I got my birth certificate that way, along with the death certificate of my late parents.

I don’t know how else to explain it to an imbecile such as yourself and Orly Taitz, but this long form is not some secret document withholding vital information. She is batshit as crazy as the rest of right wing are and the clap trap that they spout is evidence of their insanity.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:11 am

Look moron, the LONG FORM as you call it is avaible to the person who the certificate is referring to their legal guardian or next of kin, all you have to do when you send in your request is ask for the LONG FORM. I got my birth certificate that way, along with the death certificate of my late parents.

I don’t know how else to explain it to an imbecile such as yourself and Orly Taitz, but this long form is not some secret document withholding vital information. She is batshit as crazy as the rest of right wing are and the clap trap that they spout is evidence of their insanity.


ManWithBrain
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

That's fine, we'd prefer you never give up. This will simply distract you from other more destructive endeavors. Keep up the good work…I know the world will see it your way some day, if you just KEEP CHUGGING ALONG!
Get to it, Red!


RoadScholar
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

I'm as Progressive as they come, and I'm with you here. Not every Christian is a Westboro Baptist psychotic hate-monger, or someone able to twist logic into pretzels until they believe Jesus would be OK with torturing our enemies.

It would be best to lay off the blanket condemnation. Otherwise you're no better than the guy who says “Hey, he's black and driving a nice car… he must be a drug dealer.”


Dentuso
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

If you would be good enough to hold still for a few moments, it would be greatly appreciated. My garage door is going crazy because you're evidently pacing in your tinfoil suit.


RoadScholar
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Not exactly. He was conferred citizenship automatically by the location of his birth. Even his mother could have been a foreigner, and he'd still be a natural-born citizen. It happens with illegal aliens all the time, hence the phenomenon of “anchor babies.”


AaronEvans
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

What does OJ Simpson have to do with this? Is this some kind of a profiling thing you’re going with? I just don’t understand your line of thinking Obot. As for the claims if he is a citizen or not. If you still don’t believe it to be true, I sense 50 years will go by and you might still be pondering about it. I hope not for your sake. Move on to something more important. Just a suggestion.


RoadScholar
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Thank you. Gets tiring, don't it?


RoadScholar
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

He has hired NO lawyers.

He has sealed NO documents.

His birth certificate has been CERTIFIED by the authorities in Hawaii.

You are the victim of a well-funded campaign of LIES.

That's all they are. There is not one single shred of evidence that Obama was born anywhere else but here. Oily Taints has just released her SECOND forged Kenyan birth certificate. And you believe HER?

Sad. Really.


RoadScholar
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Wow. Just wow.


mommibrain
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

Orly Taitz has an online law degree from an unaccredited “law school”; I doubt she could get into a real law school. Why would ANYONE believe this fruitcake? She and her supporters are all nucking futz.

I suppose you believe that everyone who vetted Obama were all bribed.


midnight
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

I don't understand it. There are some terrific psychiatrists in Israel who would be willing to help Orly with her problem.


jamie461
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Well played, sir.


nealnorvell
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Isn't this against the law? I say prosecute the “B” to the fullest extent of the law.


midnight
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Obama can't help being black and you evidently can't help being a fruitcake. Good for him, sad for you.


RoadScholar
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

Maybe Death Panels ARE a good idea…

If you think there's anything to the Birther nonsense, you're too stupid to live.
Make an appointment with an Obama's Death Panel today!

Oh, wait… they don't exist. My bad.


jamie461
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

The problem with your “facts” is that (try to focus now): THEY ARE NOT REAL. THEY ARE ALL IN YOUR PARANOID LITTLE HEADS.

I don't know how to be anymore clear. Not that it will likely do any good.


jamie461
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Jeez, it's like the movie “Groundhog Day.”


scrzbill
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

It is not against the law to be stupid. If it were, every retardicant in the south would be in jail> Open up the FEMA camps and let the birthers in.


scrzbill
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

Are you trying to poison the ocean?


scrzbill
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

I love it you will not give up. I am completely and utterly happy that you chose biec, taliz, and faux as your source for facts. The real facts would not penetrate your bias. Why try to think when you can listen to brain dead alcoholics for your information. Would you go to taliz for your dental work? Would you buy a house from her as the realtor? Good luck with your smile and a place to live.


Gail Louise
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

The tactic of the media conglomerate to reduce the conversation to tedious inconsequential trivia is working. Fox News should be completely ignored. And boycotted- truth is not the bottom line – its the ching. And worst yet the Obama admin is bowing to this worthless fevered bullshit (ie.,Van Jones). The withering white Repubs and their corporate henchmen will never allow Obama to succeed with Health Care for all- He would be a hero! And a black one at that! Their worst nightmare! Pinch me mommy cause I want out of this nightmare!


janedumphy
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Does anyone but me think Ms. Taitz is really a man, perhaps Andy Kaufman?


scrzbill
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

First of all, the birthers are too stupid to know that Hawaii is a state. ENOUGH SAID>


yechezkel
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Olry Tatz lives in America. Perhaps, she doesn't have health insurance and can't afford a very much needed doctor visit (lol)!


scrzbill
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

Like she was the first? Where have you been?


ninthraphael
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

this is the face of “crazy”…


scrzbill
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

Then as a christian you should speak out, but you don't. NO SPEAKEE>GET LUMPED.


James Bryant
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

Why is it that illegal immigrants from Mexico for instance have children born on American soil are citizens of the US but not the President?


patlin
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

1st of all, using WND as a credible source when they tried to disprove a document that was never claimed to be the state issued BC, but instead a certified copy of the hospital record is hillarious. WND has done nothing but shoddy reporting for weeks now. HA – Do you think Americans are really that stupid?

mistake #1 on your part!

2nd, Obama & his entire administration is frought with corruption, but since they are in the money and have the connections, they get a free pass?

Van Jones will not be the last to leave, our list is long and we will not be defeated by communists/marxist/facist/socialist/progressives, or whatever you call yourselves these days.

Keep trying and we'll keep laughing because US Marines put Honor, Country & the Constitution before politics and we are not playing politics here, we are fighting for our sovereignty & the salvation of our Republic & Constitution.

Yes, I said Republic. America is NOT a democracy…may I suggest that you go back and actually learn your history before you try and pass yourself off as a journalist who knows anythjing about it.


patlin
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

this isn't about Obama being a 'citizen', it is about the requirement for a president to be a natural born citizen.

Any citizen can be a senator, congressman or other lower elected officials, but the commander in cheif of our armed forces must have been breed & born of 2 US citizen parents and born on US soil;

It is a matter of NATIOANL SECURITY!!! GET THE PICTURE!

you all need to get away fromthe propaganda machines and actually go to a library and learn the history of American citizenship. There are many good sites where you can read entire books on the subject.


mikemagee
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

Ignorance is bliss.


Brandon
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

patlin is a nutjob … please get a life you freakin traitor!


Givemelibertyordeath09
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

the name of this online rag is such a lie, you are about as independent as my five year old


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

It's also obvious from RedGraham's comment that he is loonier than a toon.


mcmingus
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

When is Sasha Baron Cohen gonna whip off the blonde wig, and declare,”Ha! Gotcha, again!”


bartolo
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

Patlin, your diaper is full. Scream louder so your mother can hear you.


beihai
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

you have got to be joking, right? Even my rock ribbed conservative brother views Taitz as a joker, the equivalent of someone who claims to have been abducted by aliens. You really need to get a sense of humor. And liberals mock and laugh at the so called “truthers.” as being a bunch of whack jobs as well. Bill Buckley said “We cannot allow the emblem of irresponsibility to attach to the conservative banner.” If you can't see this, then you are no Conservative.


beihai
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

I call myself an American, thank you very much. By the way, why don't you try reading the Bible sometime, maybe you won't be filled with such Satan inspired hatred and evil. Jesus surely loves you, but everyone else just considers you to be a pendajo.


scrzbill
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

Since you cannot stand liberty(freedom of the press) you have chosen DEATH. Get with it before you poison your children with drivel.


beihai
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

Must have been “breed” ha, learn to spell. I doubt you have ever read a book in your life besides comic books. You do not have to have been born in the United States. John McCain was born in Panama and if he had been elected would have served. There is no requirement that people be born of 2 US citizen parents, how the hell could George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and so on have been Presidents, their parents were subjects of the King of England. I laugh freely at your wondrous ignorance.


Mona
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

You are no Marine so stop using the name in vain….You twit


catsrflyfishn
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

I would like to see Orly Taitz Naturalization papers. I don't believe that she is a citizen of the United States. If she is not a citizen, then she needs stay in her country and keep her idiotic thoughts to herself.


scrzbill
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

There was no such thing as national security when the constitution was written. If you are so concerned about national security, then you better get to ass over to faux and take out some liars over there who are determined to destroy America. Better yet, take off your uniform if you have one. You are a disgrace. You know nothing about citizenship. You want to believe YOUR commander in chief is not who he is, because you do not care about the country as a whole, only yourself. If you were in the service of the Marines during shrubs term; Did you complain about his violations of the law? Did you complain about the WMD's or connections with Al Queda? Or any of the hundreds of violations of the law? You are a right wing thug. How many town halls did attend with the purpose of disrupting the procedures. Very patriotic. President Obama is a citizen whether you want to believe it or not. You can spend all the time wishing it wasn't true. Please do. The more of you that go along with this crazieness is fine with the liberals. While you are concentrating on that, we will be fixing what shrub broke.


jacklynd
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

Why even print this story? She is deranged and getting any kind of press gives her weight and credence she simply doesn't deserve.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Isn't going after Taitz and the guy with the new cert pretty low-grade for a great “reporter” like Weigel? Wouldn't a better use for his “talents” be trying to get the answers to the questions in this FAX?

CNN and the NYT were clearly being deceptive about what HI's governor said, yet for some reason Weigel has no interest in pointing that out. I guess Mr. Soros wouldn't approve.


Johnnie Cochran
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

Birthers are the same racists that thought OJ Simpson was guilty of murdering his wife even though we all know that Mark Fuhrman uses the N-word. They are all hate-filled crazy lunitics and there is just no reasoning with them.


EvoMan
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

There is nothing in the Constitution that says both of your parents have to be U.S. citizens to become president. It simply says this:

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”

No mention of parental citizenship at all. It also says that you have to have been a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution which thankfully means Patlin can't be president.


Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

The only deception is in your mind, 24. And no, we will not give you any more clicks to your delusional site. It's people like you, who are in it to make money off these poor misguided people, that's keeping this nutjob conspiracy theory alive. Now go back to your hole and come up with another conspiracy to separate people from their money for yourself.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

Any citizen can be a senator, congressman or other lower elected officials, but the commander in cheif of our armed forces must have been breed & born of 2 US citizen parents and born on US soil;
=============================================================

This is pure bullshit. There is nothing in the Constitution, any Supreme Court case, any federal circuit court decision, or any federal statute that mentions being “breed & born of 2 US citizen parents and born on US soil” as a requirement to be President.

You need to get away from Orly Taitz's online School of Law/XBox repair/cake decorating and actually read the fucking Constitution before you try to quote it to the rest of us. Better yet have an adult read it you, since you're obviously to goddamned stupid to read it for yourself.


davidplaywright
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

What is the feminine form for the word “putz?”


Jim
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:46 pm

“Orly”


Lolz
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

Q: What is the feminine form for the word “putz?”

A: David Weigel


Florida Christian
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

This could all be cleared up so easily!

If only Obama would strip naked and submit to an MRI live on Fox News monitored by sciencetists like Bill Oreily and Glen Beck we could tell whether he had human DNA.

Why wont Obama take the simple step of proving that he is not a reptioid alien shape shifter?

BECAUSE HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE!


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

Shes not, she was born in the USSR. Emirgated to Israel.


retired soldier
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Marines don't spell that bad.


Manhattan
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

This bitch is getting extremely irritating and if you listen to her (or can STAND her voice) she is absolutely crazy, I don't know which one is worse her, Palin or Bachmann, all three have sprung
a leak in their dinghy, their pilot light's not lit, they are playing hockey with a warped puck, they have splinters turning in the windmills of their minds… Hasn't the media given these idiots enough coverage???? Shut her up, she is an idiot.

Get over it Obama is the duly elected POTUS and he was born in Hawaii, and oh yeah another thing these idiots don't seem to bring up, NO ONE gets the long form of their birth certificate or of a death certificate without requesting it. I live in MO. and it took me 4 weeks to get my mothers.
No one issues the long form any more.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

YEAH!

That's why he did something EQUALLY as ridiculous by having four DOJ attorneys spend their time writing a 30 page arguement about why THE COURT can't even see his birth certificate!

Why? BECAUSE HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE!


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

Stop talking about Michelle Obama like that you racist!


Manhattan
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

Time cannot wither nor customer stale your infinite stupidity……


Manhattan
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

Orly Taitz


elizab1949
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

Nope – do not have to be born of 2 US Citizens. have to be a citizen AND natural born has no real meaning – it was taken to court in the 1800's and since then it has never been defined, so basically, there is no legal definition of 'natural born' so citizen will do. and one is a citizen if born to ONE US person or born on US soil. Obama was both born to a US citizen (mother) and born on US soil (Hawaii). case closed.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

Back at cha, OBot.


lorisc
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

URDUMB!


Name
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

“Futz” is the femine gender of the noun “putz”. But if it's used as a verb, (He “putzed” out.) the initial consonent MAY BE changed to a “w” or the synonym “wuss” may be substituted.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

You actually believe that someone who thinks the President can get his long form birth certificate if he wanted to is an “idiot”.

That alone makes you an imbecile and worthy of laughter.


Stella Zimmerman
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

The irony is that Orly Taitz is not an American citizen. If only we could render foreigner media mogul Rupert Murdoch to as incompetent a role as hers as he attempts to control our country's future. Do the FNC folks realize they are doing the bidding of an un-American un-Patriotic legal alien? Prob'ly not.


deschl
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

wheres the link to this story, never have the links just comments you dumb arse


deschl
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

agreed


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

URDUMBER!


Manhattan
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:30 pm

While not an Obot, I refuse to give any credence or credibility to ANY PERSON who takes in stock in Gnarly Titz (The soon to be disbarred attorney for filing frivolous law suits) and this phony baloney birther movement. The woman is an absolute moron.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

Do the OBot's know they are doing the bidding of General Electric Healthcare division?

Do they even know that the 24hr Obama channel MSNBC is owned by General Electric?

Do they Obama just gave them 14 billion dollars in “stimulus” money last week?

Of course not. Why? Refer to my name.


LV
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Morons run amuck and buddy your leading the pack with this BS


rodrigez
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

Correction, he's a pendejo.


rodrigez
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

If you really were a marine, you'd be scary.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

You refuse because you are an OBot and have been programmed that way.

Not because of anything factual.


Florida Christian
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

I agree but your facts are a little off. Obama actually had 65 DOJ attorneys spend the last 10 years writing a 3,485,456 page arguement why the court cant see his Boy Scout merit badge list.

Hey dumbocrats, explain why Obama has spent over 4,000,000,000 dollars fighting this in court!

I would provide a link but I dont have one.


meangreen1
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

Any of you numb skulls that believe anything that crack pot foreigner with the bad Gabor sister accent has to say should be committed to a mental institution, Orly what's her face should be deported to her native country where ever that is!


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

Here is the link to the story:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0909…

Here is a link to the actual DOJ filing with the judge:

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM124_birthersd…

You were saying?


LV
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

Laughable! You must be an online Comediene


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:42 pm

Here my link to the DOJ filing:

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM124_birthersd…

Hope you can find yours.


LeftOfCenter_44
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

As long as it's not going to the conservatives or FAUX Jews!


Florida Christian
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Actually Obama has turned over the entire government to the control of Black Panthers from ACORN that work for General Electric diesel trubine division.

THESE ARE ALL ACTUAL TRUE FACTS THAT I GOT FROM GLEN BECK!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:46 am

What’s so funny about the law? Just because you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about doesn’t mean that the rest of us are as stupid as you are. I mean, the rocks outside my house are almost as stupid as you are, but then again they don’t waste time making themselves look stupid on the internet the way that you do.


Outerlimits
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

I have no doubt that this country is dumbed down. What with the Birthers, Tea Baggers, Death Panels, Palins, The Party of Fear, Fear, Fear and No, No, No. Preachers calling for the death of the President, disruption and shouting to end debate (or win in their minds) DUMB, DUMB, DUMB
Humanity and Civility have left the house!!


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

Or you could type Obama General Electric into Google and find it from hundreds of other sources.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/How-…


Manhattan
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

Like a fact would matter to an idiot such as yourself….


lorisc
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

A birther telling me I'm dumber. Please! Do you have even the slightest reasoning skills? Or do you just plug your ears and close your eyes and pretend black is white and up is down? In a world where people think rationally, they recognize the level of conspiracy that would have to have taken place over 40 years ago JUST IN CASE this biracial baby might one day want to be president.

Do you also believe 9/11 was an inside job?


lorisc
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

URSTILLDUMB


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

The Constitution of the United States, as originally adopted, uses the words “citizen of the United States,” and “natural-born citizen of the United States.”

The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution.

The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called “ligealty,” “obedience,” “faith,” or “power” of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual — as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem — and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.

The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.”

The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.

All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.

The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.


ChrisM
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

You want links? I have lots of links http://debunkerhill.com This lunatic should be disabarred. The birth certificate is an obvious forgery (just like the other one that was thrown out of court), and her lawyering skills leave much to be desired–which is what one might expect for someone who got a mail-order degree from an uncertified law school. The Justice Department gave her an excellent take down.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

Don't forget us OBots! All we do here is shout dumb things to end debate.

Just read your comment.


LeftOfCenter_44
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

Everybody lobby's for something, it's your intent that matters. The stimulus saved our economy. That's the difference with Obama and W. Georgie's e$capades were to profit him and his buddies, at the cost of the American people.


ChrisM
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

Is this what, in your mind, constitutes intelligent debate? You sound like an idiot. Get a new schtick maybe?


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

But wouldn't it make YOU feel a little better if you even had ONE fact correct?


ChrisM
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:01 am

If you are a marine, then you are a traitor to your country.


Outerlimits
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:05 am

Obots, Palinbots, Rightwingbots, Leftwingbots and Bots et al. Dumb and
Dumber is what we are apparently all becoming.


LV
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:08 am

What are you 2 ?


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Is your children learning?


bartolo
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:10 am

C U N T


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:12 am

Proof of OBot stupidity.

This OBot just made the arguement that the 14th Admendment was redundant and irrelevant because everyone born here was already a citizen and could even become President.

This is the problem when OBots get their legal education from fellow inmates.


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:13 am

You do know that the Republican govenor of Hawaii said Obama was born in Hawaii and that the certified birth certificate is the birth certificate given to anyone from Hawaii who requests a birth certificate. BTW, what is a long form birth certificate? You do know that not all birth certificates look alike since it is up to the states to decide what is included in them.

Again I ask you, do you also believe 9/11 was an inside job?


bartolo
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:13 am

I am waiting to see her in hand cuffs, then behind bars and then strapped in a straight jacket to a gurney on her way to the funny farm Ha ha Hee Hee Hoo Hoo where life is always beautiful


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Project much?


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:16 am

All the above post of mine was copied from United State v Wong Kim Ark.

You lose.


janeycat57
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:16 am

LMAO


janeycat57
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:20 am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH……..FALL OFF CHAIR…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:20 am

Read the dissenting opion where the aboslute stupidity of that argument is clearly pointed out.

You lose.


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:30 am

How this for some legal education?

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Read above – you lose.


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:32 am

I have several friend who work for the GE diesel turbine division. I need to call them to let them know that they, Acorn and the Black Panthers now own the government. Thanks for the heads up Florida Christian.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:36 am

The “certified birth certificate” you are talking about is a computer generated receipt saying that they have the original.

Release the original.

I'll tell you what I think about 9/11 if you tell me whether you think OJ Simpson imurdered Nicole Simpson.


everyone
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:47 am

Then do something about it instead of typing. If you truly believe the government has been taken over and you still do not do anything but whine about it. Then you ARE a traitor to your country and your countrymen. Sad day indeed.

Fact is, the right wingers are chicken $hit. Therefore the “revolution will not be televised”.

Put up or shut up. You people worship G Beck like he is the savi0r. You and your ilk are being used as a fa$cist tools.


LeftOfCenter_44
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Sign this petition people. It's time we changed the rules these lobbyist's play by!
http://www.change.org/actions/view/end_the_pay_…


LeftOfCenter_44
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Type your reply…


Steve_X
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:52 am

I have a question: are Obots anything like GoBots? If so, there's probably a trademark infringement case on the horizon.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:57 am

So why exactly are you trying to prevent the document that proves you are right from ever being released?

You lose-r.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Is this what, in your mind, constitutes intelligent debate? You sound like an idiot. Get a new schtick maybe?


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:01 am

So if he wasn't born in Hawaii, he is not elligible.

All the more reason to see the original BC.

Thanks for pointing that out.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:04 am

Um, no, actually, that’s not what lorisc’s post says. And that’s not what 8 U.S.C. section 1401 says. Clearly, you are in over your head on the legal stuff. Don’t you have a toy train or a teddy bear or something you should be playing with?


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:06 am

FOR ALL YOU OBOTS!

The Justice Department didn't give her a “take down”. They tried to give the JUDGE a “take down”.

Big mistake! He gave Obama the SMACK DOWN!!!

Hearing scheduled for Oct 5, 2009 for discovery arguments and trial set for Jan. 26, 2010.

Read it and weap BITCHES.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:10 am

dissenting arguments don't count.

losers make dissenting arguments.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:11 am

You saw it, he posted it on-line.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:12 am

It was released.


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:13 am

Do you know how to read or do you just avoid it. We'll try again. Obama is natural born because he was born in Hawaii which was a state in 1961 (I thought I point that out since some Republicans and birthers aren't aware of that). Had Obama been born in Kenya he would still be natural born because:

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

So there you go. One parent (his father) was an alien and the other parent was a US citizen (his mother) who had lived at least five years in the US (she lived here for 18 yrs and 9mos before his birth). Have I adequately explained that or are you still having trouble understanding it? Or do you just have trouble reading English with your birther colored glasses?

It's pretty clear Obama is natural born regardless of where he was born (and he was born in Hawaii). I know it's hard to be wrong all of the time, but I am sure you're used to it by now.


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:13 am

Do you know how to read or do you just avoid it. We'll try again. Obama is natural born because he was born in Hawaii which was a state in 1961 (I thought I point that out since some Republicans and birthers aren't aware of that). Had Obama been born in Kenya he would still be natural born because:

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

So there you go. One parent (his father) was an alien and the other parent was a US citizen (his mother) who had lived at least five years in the US (she lived here for 18 yrs and 9mos before his birth). Have I adequately explained that or are you still having trouble understanding it? Or do you just have trouble reading English with your birther colored glasses?

It's pretty clear Obama is natural born regardless of where he was born (and he was born in Hawaii). I know it's hard to be wrong all of the time, but I am sure you're used to it by now.


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:14 am

He's waiting for his copy to come in the mail. All of the birthers are.


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:16 am

What document are you talking about? The certified copy of his b/c has been released. Go to http://www.politifact.org and you can see it for yourself. Be prepared though, the facts will make your head hurt.


smrstrauss
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:17 am

Agreed. But he was born in Hawaii. The evidence is overwhelming. First there is the legal birth certificate, the official birth certificate of Hawaii. Then there is the fact that two officials of Hawaii looked into the file and found an original twice (and in 1961 foreign birth certificates could not be filed). Then there are the notices sent out to the newspapers in Hawaii by the government of Hawaii for births in Hawaii and not for births outside of Hawaii. On the weekend after Obama's birth there were two such notices, and finally there is this witness who recalls being told of his birth in Hawaii in 1961. http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html

As for seeing the original. The reason that it cannot be seen is that Hawaii does not send it out. Obama cannot post what he does not have. Hawaii only sends out the Certification, which is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii. (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualin…)

There is a move underway by Democrat legislators in Hawaii to change the rules to make the birth files of a president public documents. On being told of this, birthers at another site said that there was only one explanation, Obama had somehow created a “perfect forgery, ” which he has already slipped into his files.

Ironically, this is what the Wall Street Journal predicted. It predicted that birthers would not accept the original birth certificate either. It wrote: “The release of the obsolete birth certificate [the original birth certificate] would not “resolve the issue” to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well.”

And it concluded: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.” (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702…)


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:20 am

OMG, that was the funniest thing I have read from an OBot yet.

In Plessy v. Ferguson (1896), the Court let stand a state law requiring trains to provide “separate but equal” facilities for black and white passengers. Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote a dissenting opinion in which he said that “the Constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens.”

But as this well-programmed OBot points out:
“dissenting arguments don't count. losers make dissenting arguments.”


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:21 am

First you get yours. You will find you can't. The original b/c is kept with the vital records in the state we are born in. A certified copy is enough to get a passport, driver's license, etc, because it is a CERTIFIED COPY OF THE ORIGINAL. Can you explain why the GOP govenor of Hawaii has said that the birth certificate is real and Obama was born in Hawaii? Is she in on the conspiracy too?

I have no doubt OJ murdered Nicole Simpson. Was 9/11 an inside job or do you just believe rightwingnut theories?


NaturalBornLeader
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Your argument is weak, like your grasp of law and reality. Give up while you can still salvage your life into something meaningful.


cbat
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:26 am

So let me get this straight, the American rightwing is following a Russian.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Actually, even if he was born in Hawaii before it became a state, he would still be a natural born citizen as Hawaii was a U.S. territory, subject to the same laws and the same Constitution as the rest of us.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:29 am

Plessy v. Ferguson was overturned. What case overturned U.S. V. Wong Kim Ark (and about a dozen other cases since then)?


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:30 am

A batpoop crazy one. “Crazy Orly” will now refer to wild, unpredictable legal moves.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:32 am

The judge will give the birthers a smackdown when he denies them standing.


proudobot
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:33 am

“weap” ? really ? You're as unlettered as your heroine.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:37 am

Once again, ObotsRDumb tries to go all legal, and once again demonstrates that he is as ignorant of the law and the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure as a … as a …. well, as a dining room table.

Setting a trial date means nothing, darling. It’s merely a scheduling matter. If this action survives the motion to dismiss and actually ends up going to trial, that will be just fine because result will be a ruling on the merits that will really be a slap down of Birther Brigade. Oh, then there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth and rending a garments! There will be charges of betrayal leveled at Judge Carter – and maybe even hints that he was “bought off” or “threatened.”

You birthers certainly are a pathetic, fearful, hysterical bunch. Oh, and stupid.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:37 am

have you read this one by her?

http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=3178

She actually uses the pro-slavery stance of Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis to support her argument.


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:41 am

You are absolutely right, but I didn't want to go there because, as it is, it seems too complicated for some to understand. Seriously 10% of the GOP actually believe Hawaii wasn't a state in 1961 (not that it mattered because it was a territory). This makes me crazy because it is so insidious.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:42 am

Had to look that one up.

Turns out that the clause you cite didn't go into efftect until November 14, 1986.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

“five after the age of fourteen” = 19 years old minimum. Mama was 18.

Nice try though. But once again you have fallen for incorrect information. Don't worry, it's a part of your programming and completely normal.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:45 am

Actually, the new law appears to be retroactive.

it's a moot point, he was born in Honolulu


proudobot
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:46 am

Turn on your snark alert meter.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:46 am

And the American leftwing is following a Britian.

Wierd, huh?


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:49 am

Hey retard, that's what he DIDN'T do.

Instead your mesiah has a trial date.

I'm sure you are familiar with those.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:50 am

I know that., but I’m just pointing out that even when a case IS actually set for trial on the merits that isn’t an acknowledgment that the judge think it’s “meritorious”.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:52 am

We will see now that a trial has been set.

Isn't it great that the judge decided to find out the truth for us?


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:58 am

I actually worked in this judge's courtroom years ago when he was the Presiding Judge for the OC Juvenile Court. I have no doubt he will throw this out once and for all. That's my predication. Care to bet on it?

You still haven't told me whether you think 9/11 was an inside job?


votersofny
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:59 am

What the heck is wrong with you people? Are you all freakin insane? Obama has got to be hiding something. He's spent a fortune to keep his documents hidden. Why? Can anyone answer that question. I have my original birth certificate right here. It has the doctors name and all kinds of other information. I have to show it whenever I go for a job. I have other documents as well that I HAVE to show. It doesn't bother me to show it, I have nothing to hide. Can anyone think of ONE reason that Obama won't show ANY of his documents? Just ONE reason to put an end to all this. ANYONE?


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:02 am

You answered your first question with the second.

There is no difference between an OBot and a BushBot.

They are both pre-programmed for Double-Think.


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:04 am

Give a link to a real website, not someone's blog on World Net.

Here's US Code 1401: It looks so similar to yours, but you changed the two years to five years. I think you read it wrong. It does mention five years TWO OF WHICH MUST BE AFTER THE PARENT TURNS 14. So, it looks like you are wrong again. Perhaps you would have been right if Obama's mother had been 15 when he was born (if he had been born in Kenya rather than the US). But as you pointed out, she was 18. I guess that you are wrong again.

BTW, are you an attorney? Because you are sure mangling the interpretation of some pretty basic laws.

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:06 am

“He's spent a fortune to keep his documents hidden” got proof of that claim? No? figures.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:07 am

Well if the Bronze Star/Purple Heart Marine decides that the people have no right to know their president is legit and tells those 100+ millitary plantifs to go fly a kite, after NOT doing that today, I for one will be suprised.

You still haven't told me whether you think OJ Simpson brutally murdered Nicole Simpson.


ChrisM
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:07 am

Guess what? I do not have my original birth certificate. During serveral divorces, moves, etc., someone lost it along the way to my adulthood. So I have a “certified copy.” It does not list my doctor's name or much more information. My kids also have “certified copies,” because that is what the Department of Health sent when I gave them $15 for a copy of the birth certificate. That thing you get from the hospital? It is a souvenier birth certificate, not a real one.

Obama showed his certificate of live birth, which is similar to what many Americans who have lost the original show to get jobs, driver's licenses, passports, etc. I used mine to get all these things.

Hawaiian government officials, including a republican governor, have sworn in legal depositions that they have seen the original and he is, in fact, a US citizen.

Why are birthers more willing to believe a nutty woman from Moldovia than the republican governor of Hawaii or the official employed to oversee birth records in Hawaii? Read the woman's court filings. She is a terrible lawyer, she says moronic things, and she will not accept it even if he did show the birth certificate, because she says in her court filings that he cannot be president because his father was not a US citizen.

So, aside from the fact that he has shown his birth certificate (the same one most people who have had to reorder a copy show), I can think of at least ONE other reason why he opposes these lawsuits. You could, too, if you read the Justice Department filing.

It would set a bad precedent for every future president if he/she had to respond to lawsuits filed on behalf of individual citizens' challenging the president's authority to serve. As the JD filing makes clear, the constitution gives this duty to the electoral college and Congress–not to the courts. Otherwise, every president would be tied up with endless challenges from nutjobs to their legitimacy.

Hope that helps.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:09 am

Nope, the defense presented a motion to dismiss based on the lack of standing of the litigants, he has not ruled on that motion yet. When he does, you will be out of luck, because he can not overturn 75 years of case law.


ChrisM
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:10 am

And you cannot even spell weird.

Why am I not surprised? You are an utter moron, and I have yet to see you make even a moderately intelligent defense of your position. Basically, you sit there yelling at everyone that they are “fat.”


lorisc
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:12 am

You do not have your original birth certificate. You have a certified copy. You only think you have an original. The original is kept with the vital records in the state where you were born. Think about it. If you lost your original how would they have a record of your birth. In reality I'm thinking you may have the hospital record of birth which includes more personal information. A lot of people believe the hospital birth record is a birth certificate, and some jobs might even accept it. It might have some good information on it, but it's not a legal document and you need a certified copy of your birth certificate.

I'll say it once again, having looked at many b/c for my job, not all are alike. Each state includes different information on their birth certificates. Some include hospitals, doctors, etc. Others don't. Obama also has a passport which is based on the information from his birth certificate. He has nothing to hide. You just won't believe the facts and the truth no matter how irrational your position is.


Sane American
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:12 am

Is your copy notarized? More important, if you lost it and it was replaced would it look the same? Most states supply summaries EXACTLY like Obama has produced (time and again). All you are proving is that your parents kept better records than his did, or that your state had a different policy at the time you obtained the certificate. By any definition, I think Obama has shown proof that he is an American citizen.


ChrisM
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:13 am

Not only will I not “weap,” I will not even weep. The hearing on the Motion to Dismiss is set for October 5. That trial date is going to be canceled.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:15 am

Nope, didn't help.

Hawaiian government officials, including a republican governor, have not sworn in any legal depositions that they have seen the original and he is, in fact, a US citizen based on that original.

You can not provide any such documentation. All you will find is well worded legal statements to DO NOT say what you are.

If he was OK with releasing the computer generated receipt of the original why get upset over release the original when he found out the receipt wasn't what people wanted?

He's the President. He can get it.

Your double-think allows you to believe that ending this controversy by releasing what he thought he had released a year ago would “set a bad precedent for every future president”.

Amazing how the mind(less) works.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:19 am

Yeah, the President is just like you and I and powerless to obtain a copy of his original BC.

OBot are such deep thinkers and provide such insightful thoughts.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:22 am

So why can't the president get a certified copy of the original and not a computer generated one?


AaronEvans
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:22 am

The problem at hand is NOT if Obama is a naturalized U.S. Citizen. It is the color of his skin. More folks have a problem with that than any other reason. They are too cowardly to admit it so they follow fake claims of illegitimacy. How could this man possibly be OUR president. That's the real point of view of the Birthers ..etc. Give up on it. It's not worth the time to waste on it.


ObotsRDumb
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:25 am

Oh no, the typOBots are coming to get me!!


AaronEvans
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:25 am

Where is this computer generated one you speak of. There is nothing he can do to convince you otherwise. You have made up your mind already about the matter. There's an actual realistic world out there you know. Then there are these other altered reality ones that make all weird things seem plausible. Guess what? He is a citizen.


Orly Taitz: Totally Worth It For The Comedic Value « American Shorts
Pingback posted September 9, 2009 @ 3:44 am

[...] Washington Independent: Josh Gerstein is all over the Justice Department’s filing in Orly Taitz’s latest “birther” lawsuit. Taitz’s suit includes — not as evidence, but as something she wants the court to verify — a ridiculously obvious forgery of a 1961 Kenyan birth certificate, obtained by a man who identifies himself as “Lucas Smith, an American,” who debuted the certificate via a shaky, “Blair Witch Project”-style video before submitting it to Taitz. [...]


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:45 am

Oh, is lorisc trying to PREVENT it from being released? I doubt that he/she has that power.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:18 am

The dissenting opinion???!!!??? Bwahaha! Once again ObotsRDumb reveals his non-legal-eagleness. neilands is absolutely correct, you idiot. The dissent is NOT the law. It stuns me that birthers continue to cite the Wong Kim Ark case for the proposition that one must have two U.S. citizen parents in order to be a “natural born citizen” of the United States, since that case actually supports the opposite conclusion.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:27 am

You actually have no earthly idea what is going on in that Federal courtroom — or Judge Carter’s mind. None. Prepare to be bitterly disappointed.


EvoMan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 3:30 am

My copy of my birth certificate says “Certificate of Live Birth.” Pretty close to what Mr. Obama's says.

The latest forgery uses U.S. date format with the month before the day. Kenya, being a British colony at the time, used and still uses the English/European format; day before month.

By the way, I've found in my life that when someone calls others stupid, that individual hasn't much cause to talk.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:33 am

Plessy v. Ferguson was overruled. Wong Kim Ark is still the law of the land.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:47 am

Prepare to be surprised, then.

The Bronze Star/Purple Heart Marine is a straight up, no B.S. professional and after he’s done with you, you birthers will be crawling out of the courtroom with your tails between your legs, sniveling.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:31 am

As I recall, the rules are different for an American woman who is married and one who is not married. A baby born to an unmarried American woman is American without regard to birth location. Can anyone confirm that?
Obama's father had a living wife at the time that he met Obama's mother. As we all know “marriage is the union between one man and ONE woman”. Bigamy trumps a legal marriage.
Until the birthers can produce the original divorce certificate from Kenya, and a valid marriage certificate, the location is moot.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:34 am

Jesus Tapdancing Christ you are stupid. You do know that dissenting opinions in court cases are NOT binding precedent, don't you?

Wait a minute…my mistake. I just asked a birther what he knows, which is obviously a trick question since it implies that a birther actually knows anything.


neilends
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:37 am

He has not “spent a fortune”. That is a complete fabrication that birthers made up out of thin air.


neilends
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Weap?

Anyway, I'll tell you right now what will happen at the “hearing scheduled… for discovery arguments”: the judge will deny all of the relief requested.

The fact that a “trial date” was set is meaningless. Federal judges set tentative trial dates in cases purely for scheduling reasons. A trial date doesn't mean the defense can't file a dispositive motion to get the entire case dismissed first, which by the way is exactly what will happen here.


neilends
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:46 am

Dissenting opinions are by definition the losing argument, genius.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:51 am

Well, at least Bush and Obama went to accredited schools.

But you Taitzbot, blindly follow a woman too stupid to understand basic first-year Civil Procedure. Guess that's what happens when you get your “law degree” on the internet.


Jim
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:11 am

Hey Dummy,

“Hawaiian government officials, including a republican governor, have not sworn in any legal depositions that they have seen the original and he is, in fact, a US citizen based on that original.”

Are you some sort of total fool, or are you just so dumb that you match your name more than anyone else here? People could lose their jobs, their pensions, their livelyhood making false statements on such an important matter. Doesn't matter if it was under oath or not…people would be calling for their heads for that kind of outright lie. Just because your job only involves “Would you like fries with that?” doesn't mean other, more important than you (Obviously), public officials wouldn't be beholding to their word. It's a shame that you are so shallow, you have no understanding of responsibility or pride.


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:19 am

Again?


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:19 am

Again?


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:23 am

He won't release the original because it says … it says … that Darth Vader is his father!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


elcerritan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:25 am

What the HELL are you talking about? The document Obama posted on the Internet IS A CERTIFIED COPY – with a State of Hawaii embossed stamp, government attestation to its authenticity, the whole works. Read lorisc's post over again. Slowly and carefully. Move your lips as you read if it helps you understand (although I suspect that nothing short of a brain transplant could possible help you “get it”.)

Do you know how frustrating it is for rational people to have to listen to ill-informed nincompoops like you flap their gums? Please. Go watch a game show on TV or something.


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:25 am

????? CCCP!


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:27 am

“BITCHES!” Shreek! a potty word!

BTW World News Daily does not qualify as “news.”


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:28 am

Looks like Civ Pro 101.


lkt
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:28 am

These racists won't stop until the black man yields his office.


lkt
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:29 am

And, repubes are idiots! The End.


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:30 am

Well, if that's the case, then McCain is a Panama citizen.


AXJ
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:30 am

AXJ has published new documentation.


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:32 am

At first I thought they were just nuts, but too many of my “friends” keep bringing up his race. Especially after two or three matinis.


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:33 am

Shouln't that be “TBOT?”


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:34 am

“Retard?” Harumph! Who calls 'tards, retards?


RedGraham
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:36 am

BREAKING NEWS A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama's eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution. If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue.
In a highly anticipated hearing today before Carter, several motions were heard, including a resolution to long-standing questions about whether attorney Orly Taitz properly served notice on the defendants, which she had.
In a second ruling, Carter ordered that attorney Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation can be added to the case to represent plaintiffs Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, who had been removed by an earlier court order. Drake, the vice presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Robinson, the party's chairman, also were restored to the case.

Want to know for certain where Obama was born? Demand the truth by joining the petition campaign to make President Obama reveal his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate!

But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz' motion to be granted discovery – that is the right to see the president's still-concealed records. Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case, submitted by the U.S. government, following discussion over Taitz' challenge to the work of a magistrate in the case.

The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama's eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved.

Carter ordered a hearing Oct. 5 on the motion to dismiss and ordered arguments submitted on the issue of discovery.

If the case survives that challenge, a pretrial hearing has been scheduled for Jan. 11 and the trial for two weeks later.

The case would be the first time, according to Kreep, that the actual merits of the dispute will have been heard in open court. A multitude of such disputes have been rejected out of hand by various state and federal courts. Even the U.S. Supreme Court repeatedly has rejected urgent appeals to hear the evidence.

The suit alleges Obama is actually a citizen of Indonesia and “possibly still citizen of Kenya, usurping the position of the president of the United States of America and the commander-in-chief.”


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:36 am

What? Darth Vader is Obama's father? Will R2D2 share the data?


elcerritan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:37 am

“have not sworn in any legal depositions…”

Do you actually know what depositions are and the circumstances under which they are given? Do you understand how official certification of a document works? Do you understand that the document Obama has presented is admissible in any court of law as evidence of his birth? Of course you don't.

Well, I'm a lawyer and I do, and I'm telling you that every post you write here just makes you look more and more hysterical and ridiculous. People like you, who are ignorant of the law — and that includes birther lawyer Orly Taitz, an embarrassment to the California Bar — shouldn't try to invoke it in support of their so-called “arguments.”


slytheron
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:41 am

George Bush has spent millions to hide his too. How do I know this? Coz I haven't seen it. Oh wait no one asked him to show his coz he was born in America I guess.

What about old man McCain? He was born in Panama. He claims on the U.S. base there. Have you even thought of asking for his certificate? No. Maybe he spent a fortune hiding it. Or maybe he is white so he's cool.


redape
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:05 am

Yep…Fake as Pamela Anderson's Taitz.

KwAme? That's a Ghanaian name…not Kenyan.

The 7 isn't crossed in the English style. The dates are in the American system. 7-8-62 would be the proper dating for August 7th in Kenya…and they should be separated by back-slashes 7/8/62.

The BC doesn't look like any English or Commonwealth BC I've ever seen. Even WWN says it's dissimilar to BC's they have from that era.
http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Orange-County-C…


lkt
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:11 am

Your link is to a crazy ass right wing site with a so-called “Complaint” that does not have a civil action no. and , states:

“Plaintiff Captain Connie Rhodes, M.D., F.S, submits and charges that the current de facto President is an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, an unqualified imposter, for, in the 19th century words of W.S. Gilbert, 'Darwinian man though well behaved is at best only a monkey shaved' and Plaintiff Captain Connie Rhodes, M.D., F.S., submits that she cannot lawfully act under his authority…”

****You got that…President Obama is nothing more than a “monkey shaved”

AND

“this Secretary and Department of Defense appointed by a 'Darwinian Man' would constitute involuntary servitude or judicially sanctioned rape of her individual autonomy.”

Two friggin references to “Darwinian monkey” and every link on this trailer trash, Springeresque website relates to the delusional rantings of racist ass birthers.

Dude…you've proven yourself to be nothing but afterbirth! Go f**k yourself!


elcerritan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:19 am

Obots RDumb once again displays his total ignorance of things legal (plus his inability to spell).

All the little birthers who are dancing for joy and praising Judge Carter as if he were the “Second Coming” simply don't understand what happened in court today (and that includes Orly Taitz, who is about as piss poor a lawyer as you could ever hope to see). Just because a judge denies a motion that was made on a procedural ground and says that he is going to set the case for trial on the merits, doesn't mean that the judge thinks the case HAS MERIT in a substantive sense. Sometimes judges allow cases to proceed on the merits SO THEY CAN REJECT THEM ON THE MERITS. Then the plaintiff then won't be able to say, “Boo hoo, we lost but it was on a 'technicality' — the judge never reached the merit's of the case, so it's still an open question whether Obama was really born in Hawaii.” No, I think this judge will end up drop kicking this case to the moon, and when he does, the tin foil hate brigade won't know what hit them, “Ooo, but we thought he was on OUR side!” Bwahaha! Fools!


rogerrramjet
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:22 am

First off, you're an idiot.

No other way to put it.

Second, WHY should the pres bend over every time some nutjob demands to see some sort of proof of anything?

Third anyone who bothers trying to prove anything to you is wasting their time.

You're a birther and therefore a tinfoil hat wearing Flat Earth, deather who is suffering from Cognitive Dissonance.

So the best thing to do with Birthers is ignore them OR just tell them…..

Here's a quarter, go buy yourself a clue.


tokeller
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:27 am

stupid is as stupid does. Sorry you are so misinformed. But that's never stopped anyone from reporting false information…again.


tokeller
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:30 am

Such a deep thinking thread. We will never get over ourselves and the planet will die because of it.


tokeller
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:30 am

Such a deep thinking thread. We will never get over ourselves and the planet will die because of it.


tokeller
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:31 am

You make me sooooo happy! Thanks for stating the obvious.


tokeller
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:31 am

You make me sooooo happy! Thanks for stating the obvious.


neilends
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:32 am

Because Orly managed to overcome here incompetence enough to properly serve the defendants this time, the DOJ filed a bona fide motion to dismiss attacking the legal merits of her lawsuit for the very first time. I just read the motion. It tears her apart into shreds like I've only rarely seen in legal pleadings before.

Mark my words: she has literally *no* chance of surviving the motion to dismiss hearing set for October 5. None whatsoever. I'm familiar with the judge who is hearing the motion, David Carter. He is a no-nonsense former prosecutor with decades of legal experience, and a juris doctor from UCLA.

I truly relish the chance to read the transcript from the hearing that day. Someone please track it down and publish it.


neilends
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:37 am

Except, the judge didn't “set the case for trial on the merits.” He just scheduled a tentative date, which is a routine scheduling step many judges take.

The next legal step to take place will be the hearing on the DOJ's motion to dismiss. The judge will grant the motion to dismiss, and the case will be over. Period.


tokeller
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:37 am

try this:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

if this doesn't work, try this:
http://usasearch.gov/search?v%3aproject=firstgo…

Lots of information about his birth certificate. But heck, you can always deny this as well.


tokeller
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:37 am

try this:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

if this doesn't work, try this:
http://usasearch.gov/search?v%3aproject=firstgo…

Lots of information about his birth certificate. But heck, you can always deny this as well.


elcerritan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:39 am

“just like you and I”

No, that should be “just like you and me.” Oh, dear. ObotsRDumb can't spell and also is “grammar impaired.”


Ilona
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:39 am

ObotsRDumb

Folks, please don't let the above poster get to you! It does not matter what
you say, when someone believes they know better than anyone else, it will always be a case of I am right and you are wrong.

Just the fact of ObotsRDumb saying that President Obama has only
produced a computer generated facsimile of his birth certificate, should
tell you right away that these folks are listening and contributing to MIS-COMMUNICATION and coming up with their very own version of whatever
they think they've seen or heard…………..

We cannot try to reason with these people, because they have their own
preconcieved ideas, in other words they have tunnel vision, they can't see
the forest for the trees!


AXJ
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:40 am

AXJ ha published the 1964 and 1980 divorce decrees proving OBAMA was adopted.


tokeller
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:43 am

You make me sooo happy! Thanks for your very concise comment. But this whole thing is like butting your head against a brick wall, until bloody – and then you pass out.


AXJ
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:44 am

The US Attorney General must defend the US Constitution not the President. If there is evidence ( a sworn Affidavit ) that it is possible the person sitting in office is not qualified to occupy that position he should be defending the Consitution, not the President. WE THE PEOPLE created the government and congress and sentate, not the other way around. AXJ is publishing documents for all 300 million Americans to see in real time. Stop that if you can.


AXJ
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:48 am

Because he was adopted and is not a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible to occupy the office of the President and he knows it, why else hide all the documents?

See the actual 1961 Hawaiin Birth Certificates and why Obama's has a 19 that is a total fraud. Sure the Governor saw his Kenyan Birth Certificate…


AXJ
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:50 am

Because he was adopted and is not a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible to occupy the office of the President and he knows it, why else hide all the documents?

Ya they saw his original Kenyan Birth Certificate all right…


Nick
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:52 am

Not so fast on the flippant dismissal: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7194


neilends
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:53 am

Publish whatever you want, jackass. It is in fact the Constitution that provides quite clearly that only the members of the electoral college and bona fide presidential candidates (such as John McCain) have standing to challenge the eligibility of an elected president. You should familiarize yourself with Article III some time. You know, of the Constitution, that document you're constantly citing to despite the fact that you don't understand a word it says.

This court has no jurisdiction over the issues you want it to litigate. The motion to dismiss will be granted, with prejudice.


cptkirk
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:32 am

What penal colony did you come from that you have to show a birth certificte every time you go for a job? A drivers license and a social security card does the trick in a civilized society. And how many jobs have you been looking for that you need to tote that around so much any way? The President has shown and the Governor of his state has shown the appropriate documents time and again. You might want to stick around and watch the news the next time your probation officer is showing it in your half-way house.


elcerritan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:53 am

I had the same thought. I've never had to show my birth certificate to apply for or get a job … ever, not once. Of course, some of the weirdos posting here might have to prove they weren't born on Mars or Uranus or something so maybe they were asked for more documentation.


elcerritan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:55 am

Adopted by his mother's second husband? So what? No impact whatsoever on his nationality.


elcerritan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:57 am

Pfft! If you actually knew anything about Federal practice and civil procedure, you wouldn't find this as exciting as you apparently think it is.


elcerritan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:59 am

“We the People” think you are a fruit loop.


elcerritan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:07 am

WTF? I'm sorry but this is completely incoherent. He was adopted? By whom? Are you now claiming that Stanley Ann Dunham was not his birth mother? Despite the birth certificate and the birth announcements in the paper? Or are you talking about adoption by his mother's second husband, which would have no impact whatsoever on his nationality? Some of the other birthers here are fanatics, but you sound positively deranged. Time for you to go take your meds.


elcerritan
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:10 am

And you know this because that's what those voices transmitting messages to your tinfoil helmet tell you.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

Er, you realize that I was pointing out Orly’s stupidity and racism, don’t you?

Don’t shoot the messenger.


jmcalli
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:12 am

Okay, here's ONE reason: IT DOESN'T MATTER and to make it an issue is STUPID. Obama won't stoop to stupid. He won't play your game because you're not up to his.

I was born in L.A. in 1946. My original birth certificate was lost, the hospital where I was born is gone. I can't get a replacement.

I just retired from a 35 year career as an officer in the U.S. military. I had no trouble joining the military or receiving my commission. I have held secret and top secret security clearances. I have a U.S. passport, a U.S. driver's license, etc., etc. NOBODY ever demanded to see my original birth certificate. It never became an issue.


peterdocherty
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:28 am

its all crazy,i dont know what the laws are in the stats but never and i mean never would a woman like this be tolerated in the uk.you have got fox persistantly putting out false and misleading statements about healthcare,van, jones townhall meetings dont you guys have a media watchdog or something. as for this totaly crazy woman why do you bother to even give her time on your newspaper she ought to be burned at the stake the vile despicable white supremicist uneducated illiterate bitch that she is,oh while i am at it can you tell me your laws on trason cos fox must have broken it over and over


The Joker
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:57 am

I get a bang out of the racist Reich-wing tying yourselves up in knots to try to undo the will of the majority of Americans in the last election and delegitimize the duly elected President of these United States because your anorexic world view is too anemic to conceive of or allow one half black person to hold such an office for 4 puny years out of America's 233. Face up to it! Your boy, George Bush and his neo-CONS CON game crashed and burned so hard that it woke up the sleeping giant majority. You micro-brains dwelling in your micro-universe are such wobbly pussies that you go faint and piss down both legs like scared little school girls at the thought of leaving your fate in the hands of one brainy, mild-mannered, tall, dark and handsome young man for a very brief interval.

I wish that for just one day you could step inside my shoes and see your wimpy, whiny, scared-cat selves–utterly priceless low comedy! BWAAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! Just suck it up, you sore losing cowards!


Tweets that mention The Washington Independent » Another Day, Another ‘Birther’ Forgery -- Topsy.com
Pingback posted September 9, 2009 @ 11:19 am

[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by novenator, Sons of Liberty, Sons of Liberty, slackadjuster and others. novenator said: RT @DesertBeacon @Cody_K Orly Taitz Floats Another Forged Obama Birth Certificate http://is.gd/32VGF Proof we need mental services? #p2 [...]


raoul
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 10:48 am

You sound as batshitty as her..


Nell Edelman
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 11:34 am

The problem is that Fox and the disinformation machine is everywhere in the US. Playing in Dr.'s offices, courtesy of the low-educated receptionist. In every nursing home and care facility. In the airport waiting lounges, blue-rinse beauty parlors, employee cafeterias for blue-collar workers, even the teacher's lounges in the Red state elementary schools.
We need to enact legislation to make them honest. It won't happen, it was, and is, the pablum of half of the country.
How sad media turned into this.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

The only computer generated birth certificates I have seen are the ones being peddled as being “proof” that he was born in Kenya. This latest one is yet another of those.


Capital G
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:05 pm

Well that's funny…..seems like Orly Taitz has won the right to have her case ACTUALLY HEARD – and that Zero will be forced to PROVE HE IS ELIGIBLE.

Snarky article aside, it seems that there is actually legs to this case – and it will be heard in Jan 2010 barring a dismissal in the Oct 5 hearing (which seems unlikely given Judge David Carter's comments on the need to resolve this issue).

So you can make fun of Orly and Lucas all you want. In the end they appear to have succeeded in getting their case heard – and I'm sure as much as you 0bots want to laugh the issue off and smear Zero's criticism I'm equally sure you are all a little uncomfortable about the possibilities.

Even a biased political hack has got to start to wonder why all his records are sealed and what is in those records that he has allowed this charade to go on for this long.


Aaron
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:20 pm

Point of order on the whole thing. The requirement to be president requires that you be a natural citizen of the US.
i.e. someone who was born in the US OR born to a US citizen.
John McCain was not born in the US, he was born in Panama, this is a matter of historical fact. He was eligable to be president because his mother or father (both actually) were US citizens.
Unless someone proves that Obama's mother was not a US citizen, this doesn't matter. Since his mother's parents are US citizens, you would have to disprove their citizenship as well. Keep going backwards from there…


votersofny
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

I do believe Obama was born here. I still want to see his documents. The very same documents that I had to show to be a sanitation worker (garbage man). I had to show: my original birth certificate (long form), social security card, passport, school transcripts even though college wasn't required and more. How simple is that?

I couldn't even pick up garbage unless I showed ORIGINAL copies of those documents. I had nothing to hide, so I showed them. Another guy trying to get the job, didn't get hired because he couldn't produce a psychiatrist's report from when he saw one when he was 13 years old. The doctor had moved and couldn't be found.

Yet Obama can be president and not have to show anything at all. I'm not a birther, I'm from Missouri, the Show Me state. Obama is hiding something, any moron can see that. It has nothing to do with his color, I am white and voted for him. They forced McCain to show his stuff and Obama won't show his. You got to be dumb as a bag of hammers if you can't see Obama is hiding something. And I love the answers we get. Oh get over it, he won. Yeah, I know, I voted for him. Show the documents, all of them.


Aaron
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

Who cares where he was born. Was his mother a US citizen? If she was, then Obama is a natural US citizen, unless he renounced his citizenship.
Now, given that his father was Kenyan, he may have had the right to dual citizenship until he was 18. If he was born in Indonesia, he may have even been eligable for citizenship in all three nations. US law at the time did not allow dual citizenship rights for people over 18, so on his 18th birthday he would have to renounce his US citizenship or lose his right to citizenship in other nations. Given that he was in the US at the time, his choice seems to be clear. But perhaps he did renounce his US citizenship and then stay in the US for 20some years, if so, the paperwork would be with the State Department.
Prove that he renounced his citizenship and filed paperwork to do so with the state department, and I will listen to you…


Aaron
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

Would you accept his mother's birth certificate? Since if she is a natural US citizen any children she has are also natural US citizens…


madlion1988
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:44 pm

a silly person always seem to want to exaggerate his life experiences to increase the weigh of his story. the PRESIDENT has worked for state and the federal gov't and not to mention went to Harvard. silly people want to find out if the PERSIDENT is from another country check his Harvard status (are do you believe that everyone for the last 20 years has planned on OBAMA being president someday and lied on his college application before the world knew his name)
case closed. THAT's HOW A REAL DETECTIVE FIND THE FACTS!

A POLICE DETECTIVE IN ga


American_Nightmare
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

So, you would be saying the same thing of Bush 2, Clinton, or even Reagan and their birth certificates if the 'loonie left' had made this much of a stink? You'd be lying if you said yes. Where was all the outrage over W going AWOL? Why didn't Bush have to prove he didn't have a role in 9/11? Where were you with your “he's hiding something” comments? Oh, and nice try with the “I voted for him”. All this was out in the public during the campaign and you had no problem with it then so why the change of mind? Is it because you didn't really vote for him and you are just trolling around??? Do a little thinking before you shoot your racist mouth off. Thank you.


tootiredoftheright
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:56 pm

He has shown them numerous times. The man was vetted not only by the FBI but numerous other federal agencies including the CIA. The president has the highest security clearance you can get guess what you have background checks lasting months to get that. He had background checks as a state senator then as a Senator with more background checks being done when he was moving up to certain commitees in which he would have recieved classified breifings from the US intelligence agencies. The US agencies etc don't look just at the copy you hand over they confirm with the state or agency that issued it (in the case of foreign born US citizens) that the info on it is correct and in the records they don't relay on the copy to prove someone was born it's evidence of a record existing. (hence why several states that have low amounts of Identify theft make birth certificates a state record not available for view by the public, it's a lot easier to steal someone's id when you walk into a building and look at the birth certificates and copy the info down.)

Hawaii no longer produces the long form nor do several other states. The form they produce is from the records however and shows the place of birth. Obama was not a foreign adoptee nor an adopted child born on US soil, nor is a US citizen born outside the country. Hawaii in the 1980s and several other states let US citizens born outside the country have those states birth certificates but they still list the birth country, it's to ease the paperwork on the state department since millions of US citizens are born outside the US to US citizens working and living on military bases, in friendly countries at civilian jobs, embassy workers etc. Heck there are a lot of cities around the world were you can find thousands of American citizens as well as their families working and living for a corporation. McCain was never forced to show his stuff stop making stuff up. Obama said McCain was a US citizen he signed a bill that said so when McCain was running but before Obama joined the race.

Hawaiian state officals who by the way are Republican and opposed Obama state he was born there and that their documents verify his birth there and that he is an American citizen.

Obama is hiding nothing. He has shown everything required to the people authorized to see those things and that have the legal authority.


American_Nightmare
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

Actually McCain was not eligible to be President until Congress passed a bill allowing it and this was prior to the election. So my question is, if McCain had run instead of Bush back in 2000 and won, without that law, would McCain have been an illegitimate president? Would the socialist commie left have been attacked for bringing that up as an issue???


tootiredoftheright
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:00 pm

Other birther cases were heard too and dismissed.

Obama's records are as sealed as any other Americans are. It's called privacy laws. Students who went to college in the past few decades no one can get their records unlike past decades.

No one these past twenty years or so can confirm they were born in any hospital. It's called patient privacy laws. Ever wonder why the tabloids have to offer several million dollars for celeb baby pictures or info on the hospital expierance? It's because those hospital workers face prison time or being permently unable to work in a hospital for divulging such details.


tootiredoftheright
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

Yeah this adoption thing by the husband happens all the time in the states. A lot of parents are told to do it to avoid nasty things with the ex's family especially if they were abusers etc because the courts to favor biological relatives without having tests to see if they are fit over the step parents family. Way to get around this is by adopting the children.


Aaron
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

That is debatable, I saw the law as being passed to clarify the constitution. In any case, a law is not sufficient to change the constitution, that would require an amendment.
However, a natural citizen is a pretty clear concept. “Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years.” Taken from http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Yes, anyone born inside the US other than the child of a foreign diplomat is a US citizen as well. Amusingly, “Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21″ is also a citizen, so if no birth certificate is available for BO, and his mom disclaims that she bore him, he would still be a citizen, since it was not challenged by his 21st birthday!


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:25 pm

The judge in that particular case is considering a motion to dismiss the case based on lack of standing by the plaintifs. Unless the judge wants to go against 75 years of well established case law regarding standing (and an almost certain reversal on appeal if he does so), the motion to dismiss will be granted and Orly will be out on the street once again.


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:25 pm

Do ya' really think the RNC would have just sat quietly during the campaign if he couldn't “show his?”

BTW, you… do … not … have … the … original. They reside with the city/county/state in which you were born.


SPECOPS
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

The president has a security clearence above top secret. What is he hiding

Msgt Moore/18D


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

And you are wrong. The Constitution allows for the Congress to DEFINE citizenship. How's that for ya?


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

===”Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case”===

Which he will, and he will have to dismiss the case based on the lack of standing by the plaintiffs. There is no way he could rule otherwise. Even if he did so, the ruling would immediately be appealed and overturned.

———– ————- —————

===”The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama's eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved”===

Not a very smart move on the judges part there. He is exhibiting considerable pretrial bias.


turnbull
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

“Real time?” As opposed to what, “fake time?”


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

===”But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz' motion to be granted discovery”===

OK, let’s just say, for the sake of argument that the judge does grant Orly the right to discovery from the DOH. That means she would be entitled to her very own certified copy of the official state issued birth certificate.

Big deal. That would be the same document that the president has already released.

She would be right back where she started from.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

well maybe he should have a security clearance over avove top secret. If you had the ?ber over above top secret clearance then you would know.


willshirley
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

Why can't you understand that he HAS shown every legal document related to his citizenship by birth? You want to see something that never existed for anybody born in that state! All the people born in Hawaii the same time as Obama got the same document. Do you doubt their citizenship? Probably not, but if you do I suggest you investigate which states do not supply this so-called “long form” and demand that all these so-called citizens leave the country until they can somehow force the states to develop a long form so they can prove to your satisfaction. By the way, I'd like you to prove to the good people here that you are who you claim to be! PROVE YOU ARE A CITIZEN or leave the country.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

They forced McCain to show “his stuff?” Interesting, since I never saw anything from the McCain campaign. In fact, until last year I'd never seen any documentation or proof of any former president's citizenship. For some reason, it was never an issue.


neilends
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

He's already produced his birth certificate. End of story.


neilends
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

Get your facts straight.

Congress didn't pass a bill “allowing” anything. All it passed was a resolution that expressed the “sense” of Congress that McCain was eligible to be president. It had no binding effect.


Tired
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

Shut up shut up


Jim
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

ChrisM: “During several divorces, moves, etc., someone lost it along the way to my adulthood.”

Chris, I’d have thought after the first couple of divorces you’d have learned your lesson! ;)


DR
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

He HAS shown his documents. Hawaii does not deliver anything other than the “Certificate of Live Birth” Obama has shown the world; you simply cannot get anything else whether you're a garbage collector or the President of the United States.

Or have you forgotten that in the U.S., it is the States, not the Federal Government which regulates things such as Birth Certificates, and that because of that the standards vary from State to State?


Ted
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

If Obama's birth certificate is the biggest issue the GOP can come up with, along with fighting “sociallsm” and conveniently forgetting their treatment of the opposition, the Constitution and the world at large, then there is no reason to even bother hearing GOP talking points any more. They aren't “conservative” though they claim the mantle. They aren't “compassionate” though most of the malfeasance of the last decade originated from their ambitions and was paraded around under the guise of “compassionate conservatism”…
We see that “Compassion” at their health care “town halls” that are orchestrated by big Insurance and other vested interests…
The GOP don't even have their act together enough to find an issue and work on it from the grassroots. I personally believe that this is because their Party was never really anything other than a corporate marketing strategy masking as a democratic movement. The GOP were co-opted long ago.
After the Healthcare matter they will certainly deserve the moniker “The Party of NO”…
Frankly, I could never join a party and share my concerns for this country with the xenophobes and anti-intellectuals that are the base of the GOP…


eaddabaggasaltedratdiks
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

It's really very simple:

The President's so called original, long-form birth certificate is not on public display 24-7, or on the Internets, because to do so would immediately invite the prospect of IDENTITY THEFT, or some other form of IDENTITY MALFEASANCE.

It's not only a Personal Privacy Issue,
It's a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.

BASTA.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

Actually it's even more simple than that. The state no longer recogizes the “long form” certificate as an official birth record. The official “Vault” record is now an electronic database.


AXJ
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

We at AXJ would all like to see his birth certificate with the name of the hospital and the physician. AXJ has published the 1964 and 1980 divorce documents. Check them out yourselves.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

And even worse for Taitz, under the Federal Rules of Evidence that COLB would classify as a self-authenticating document in any court of law anywhere in the country. That document that she has so many problems with is presumed to be legally valid, and the burden of proof would be on her to show otherwise. Since it will be impossible for her to show otherwise, she'll manage to make herself look even more idiotic than she already does.

The law is a wonderful tool. It's too bad that Taitz doesn't understand any of it.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

===”We at AXJ would all like to see his birth certificate “===

Well too bad.

You are not entitled to see anything.

The president has presented sufficient legal proof that he was born in Hawaii.

Go cry about it.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

Uncomfortable about the possibilities of what, exactly? I'm entirely comfortable with the possibility of Orly being laughed out of court, since that is what will happen.

Orly Taitz is the set-up to a joke whose punchline never comes; even though that dummy has a “law degree,” she has shown time and time again that she has little to no knowledge in any of the following areas of law and legal procedure:

1. Constitutional Law
2. Civil Procedure
3. Evidence
4. Professional Responsibility
5. Legal Writing and Research

I could go on (and I probably will later), but in the interest of brevity I'll just say that once she actually gets the chance to set foot inside of a courtroom there'll be enough punchlines to last us sane people until the next frivolous birther lawsuit.

And getting a case heard means absolutely nothing. Millions of competent lawyers (those who don't make a mockery of their profession at every turn) get their cases heard every day. Then again, those lawyers didn't get their law degrees from a box Berry Berry Kix like Taitz did, so they actually know what they're doing.


dergene
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE HAS BEEN PUBLIC RECORD SINCE JUNE OF 2007! If you want to argue policy that is one thing, but to argue FACTS is time wasting and petty. Don't you think every government agency, every GOP “hate-monger” didn't investigate this issue way before he even became the nominee? It's laughable now, these “teabaggers” and “Beck Boys”. Keep it up – it's entertaining!


cjk002
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

By “we” you mean you and your cat Mr. fuzzy…


cjk002
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

Once again, this conspiracy theory is shown to be based in ignorance of the law. An adoption wouldn't cause Obama to lose his citizenship.


peterdocherty
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

i think we should ask oily tits for proof she is in the gene pool


jmcalli
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

I'll show oily Obama's birth certificate if she'll show me her tits.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

Under what law does a parent's divorce from his or her spouse has any effect on the child's citizenship?


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

Orly wants the judge to grant her discovery to examine the official records.

Fine. The State of Hawaii can send her her very own certified copy of the COLB.

Then what? She’s got nothing to counter that with. A forged Kenyan BC? Give me a break.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Mr. Fuzzy's law


TaylorBSmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

I am so sick of the 'why doesn't he just show it' crap, well he already did. It is pretty obvious that the only certificate that will satisfy these brainless, inbred bigoted 'birther' morons is most likely his death certificates. And to have that embarassing halfwit Orly Taitz as their defacto leader is pretty telling. God you could hand that woman a cocktail napkin with the words 'Obama was born here' written in crayon on the back and she would call it definitive evidence.

Hey 'Birthers' you might want to adjust your white hoods, your red necks are showing.


logicgrrl
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

My best friend lived in Hawaii when she was first married. She gave birth to two children while she lived in Hawaii. She said the Certificate of Live Birth she has for both of her kids looks just like the one for the President.

President Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii. Get over it.


Jim Dandy
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

So you claim that sanitation workers in your city need to present psych evals? I call BS on this one. Dude's just another GOP turd-stirrer.


devildawg
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

So here's what I don't get. The Presidents eligibility is verified by the secret service right.

So basically the “Birthers” believe that Bush's secret service was so incompetent that they let a non-citizen run for office?

They actually believe that the Republican controlled executive office would miss something like that?


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

devildawg said “The Presidents eligibility is verified by the secret service right.”
Wrong Answer.
Nobody has EVER verified his eligibility.
For a man who is privy to our nation's highest secrets, and who has the power and desire to change our country's laws, it is a simple requirement.
For anyone else to get a job which require access to our country's highest secrets, they MUST undergo background checks.
This is simply common sense and reality, NOT conspiracy.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

christianwordsmith, YOU can verify his elegibility if you like.

Simply find the images of his COLB on-line and read.

Find the part that states that he was born in Honolulu.

Presto, you've done it.


darkshrike
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

Christianwordsmith – I did not see these comments when John McCain was running, being born not in US soil. Would you have the same doubts? The more I hear from the 'birthers' the more I realize they are simply racist, and dont have the guts to say it to people.


Jim
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

He was verified by the great state of Hawaii…you just don't like it. His background was checked, they don't have to go through you or your ilk to do it. Now put your thumb back into your mouth and step away from the keyboard…the internet will be a much better place without you.


D. Edward Farrar
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

The most embarrassing thing about this, of course, is that his birth certificate isn't even relevant. Obama could have been born on Mars and he'd still be a “Natural Born Citizen” because his mother was a US citizen and contrary to what Orly Taitz proclaimed on the Colbert report, you only need one parent to be a citizen. (Witness George Romney, father of Mitt and former governor of Michigan who ran for President – lost the GOP nomination to Barry Goldwater, if I recall correctly – who was born in Mexico to a US Citizen father and a French mother.) So unless they can prove that Kansas was not a state at the time his mother was born, then they are shouting themselves red in the face over details that do not even matter.


timmmahhhh
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Whorly Taints needs to get a life.


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

American_Nightmare said “Actually McCain was not eligible to be President until Congress passed a bill allowing it”.
Wrong Answer.
Congress simply verified that he was born in Panama(a US territory at that time), on an American military base, with two parents(both American Citizens).


Joen
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

darkshrike claims that he “. did not see these comments when John McCain was running, being born not in US soil. Would you have the same doubts? The more I hear from the 'birthers' the more I realize they are simply racist, and dont have the guts to say it to people.”

Stories about McCain's eligibility were all over the liberal media and blogsphere going back to 1998, and again in 2004, and again in 2008, when the “Birthers” were LIBERALS calling for him to be disqualified.

The LIBERAL media outlets below who covered McCain's eligibility issue are the SAME in-the-tank-with-Obama bottom feeders (of which the Washington Independent is a hopeless wanna-be) who refused to cover Obama's eligibility issue for two years.

New York Times, Feb 28, 2008:

“McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out”

New York Times, July 11, 2008:

“A Hint of New Life to a McCain Birth Issue”

Washington Post May 2, 2008:

“McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate”

Dallas Morning News, June 20, 2008

“McCain's citizenship still in question”

CBSNEWS blog, Feb 28, 2008

“Could The Supreme Court Decide Another Election? “

WALL STREET JOURNAL blog, Feb 28, 2008

“Does John McCain Have a Birthplace Problem?”

MSNBC FirstRead, Feb 28, 2008

“Oh-eight (R): Born in the USA?”

And, lest we forget that the FIRST “BIRTHER” LAWSUIT WAS BROUGHT AGAINST REPUBLICAN SENATOR, JOHN MCCAIN by Fred Hollander in March, 2008.

So, there is no level to how low the lying LIBERAL scum will sink to deny their own greater culpability in outright criminal fraud by wagging their dirty little finger at Conservative PATRIOTS.


D. Edward Farrar
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

BTW, American_Nightmare: Please name the “bill allowing it” that made it legal for McCain to run for President…actually, this is sarcasm dripping from me, I know full well there was no such law. McCain could legally run for President because he was a Natural Born Citizen of the US. This was because his parents were citizens. That he was born in Panama was irrelevant, just as it was irrelevant that Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona prior to its becoming a state or that the first six presidents of the US were all born prior to 1776, so could not have been “Natural Born Citizens” under a definition as narrow as the one you are using. (In fact, the definition of a Natural Born Citizen is fairly simple: if you are a citizen and did not have to go through the “Naturalization” process, then you are a Natural Born Citizen – period.)


Objectivist
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Dude, look @ her.
Is that really an equitable trade?

Ewww…


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

I think Joen has answered the question about you not seeing the comments about John McCain.
I'm not doubting that you did not see them, just noting that they WERE there.
Also, most of my family is BLACK, so “racist” does not apply here.

I would say the same legal requirements that apply to ANYONE, and that ALL should have to produce the same credentials, no exeptions. No matter how popular they are, or are not.


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Antibirther, Try getting a security clearance with a COLB. It wont happen. And just for the record, I'm not Anti-Obama. He is more than qualified to be President, with the exception of his eligiility.

I would expect the same from ANY candidate.


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Antibirther, Try getting a security clearance with a COLB. It wont happen. And just for the record, I'm not Anti-Obama. He is more than qualified to be President, with the exception of his eligiility.

I would expect the same from ANY candidate.


gee59
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

To all Birthers, Repugnent Republicans, and all others who LOST!:

How about a compromise. I will ensure Mr Obama releases his full birth certificate once George W Bush JR. releases his full military attendance record? – remember that little pearl of missing documentation magic that conveniently allowed him to lie through his teeth about avoid military action.

Mission accomplished!

GET —- A —- LIFE — you –LOSERS !!


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

Darkshrike said “Christianwordsmith – I did not see these comments when John McCain was running, being born not in US soil. Would you have the same doubts? The more I hear from the 'birthers' the more I realize they are simply racist, and dont have the guts to say it to people.”
Wrong Answer(s).
I think Joen has answered the question about you not seeing the comments about John McCain.
I'm not doubting that you did not see them, just noting that they WERE there.
Also, most of my family is BLACK, so “racist” does not apply here.

I would say the same legal requirements that apply to ANYONE, and that ALL should have to produce the same credentials, no exeptions. No matter how popular they are, or are not.


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Just for the record, I would simply like to see President Obama present his credentials to a congressional committee of Republicans AND Democrats, including Original BC, School Records, Immigration Records, etc…

Then maybe we can stop this bickering that is dividing our great nation.


geaaronson
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

No, he was not born in Panama. He was born in the Canal Zone which was a US possession at the time. So he was a US citizen from day one. Had he been born in Panama he would not be a US citizen regardless of his parents citizenry.


gee59
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

CWSmith: Your comment ” For a man who is privy to our nation's highest secrets, and who has the power and desire to change our country's laws, it is a simple requirement….”

So do you feel safe with Timotyh McVeigh – a red blooded, born at home American? Would he be more qualified that BOBama because (as you claim) he is born on “American” soil?

I am sorry but I fail to see the relevance of this statement…..


geaaronson
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

So let´s be fair here, now every president that ever was had to show his birth certificate? right. So what do you want for proof….a scanned copy of the birth certificate of BO´s certificate and mailed to every Fox radio station watcher. And what do think will happen, half of them will still doubt its authenticity.
If the certificate did not exist, believe me the world would know.


gee59
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

CWSmith,

hey this is not dividing the nation…… it is fuel for the right wing-nuts! the “less than 10% of the electorate” who claimed Bush was doing a good job on the economy AFTER the first round of corporate bail-outs. NO this is a completely contrived issue by yoiu and Bexk et al, who want to s keep the stop the nation from moving forward.

Let go and work on a constructive issue……. like Healthcare Coverage for all Americans!


gladmueth
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

I'll be happy when all these birther wackos are sued for slander….


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

So, no one from hawaii will ever be granted a security clearance ever again?


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

So, no one from Hawaii will ever be granted a security clearance ever again?

Yeah, right.


SPECOPS
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

It would appear that u should have watched President Obama speak about staying in school.What is avove,and Uber?

Msgt Moore/18D

________________________________


TaylorBSmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Christianwordsmith,

Do you honestly think that President Obama is not a citizen of the United States? That no one took the time and vetted him beforehand? That the officials in Hawaii were lying when they certified his documentation? Do you actually think that McCain/Clinton/Tancredo/Edwards and the rest wouldn't have jumped all over this during the campaign if it held any water at all?


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

I wish that were true. If you can show any credible proof that he was actually vetted by Congress, the Electoral College, or any other qualified organization, I wil be happy to proclaim it ALL OVER the internet.
The Hawaii officials only said that they had seen his original BC, that it exists. So he DOES have one, that is not in dispute.
For the life of me, I fail to understand WHY President Obama, knowing the national dissent that it is causing, would not want to put the issue to rest, and allow the nation to move forward.


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

And if it IS true that President Obama, a Harvard educated Constitutional Law Major, is NOT eligible, then I would fully expect hi to block every attempt to examine ANY of his records.
Wouldn't you if you were in his shoes?


D. Edward Farrar
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

On the contrary: Both his parents were US Citizens. He could have been born ANYWHERE and he would still have been a natural born citizen.


TaylorBSmith
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

So no one, in your opinion, vetted the POTUS? Do you actually think that his opponents wouldn't have been all over this if it were even remotely true? Oh, and why is it that this particular POTUS should be vetted by Congress, the Electoral College when that has never been the case before?


Name
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

NO other President has had to do this; why should Obama?


gee59
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

CWSmith,

Now i get it! You think that he is try to cover up is Indonesian or Kenyan, or Rhodesian, or other citizenship…..right? Am I getting it now? Actually let me tell you a little secret… he is not releasing his certificate because people like you and Beck, make this fisasco a political gift to him and the DNC.

Here how it will play out…. BOB will ignore the wingnuts from the R(epublican)ight for probably another 6 months, while you and your comnspiracy theorists friends lather yourself in self congratulatory blog messages about the small court case wiins, and newly forged docs from Ms Ortiz (whose own status should be reviewed btw). The cresendo of calls will hit fever pitch to such an extent that Bachmann and other reps will find it hard to shut their mouth and jump on the band wagon. Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh will be apolplectic with glee (and feigned outrage). So much so that they will convince some stooge in Congress to pass a law that requires BOB to submit his birth certificate. This will become a constitutional moment , where the wing-nuts will sniff a blood bath and march on the Whitehouse led by Newt and the rest of the Congressional Militia……. are you still with me (or against me)?

When they/ you get to the front door they will find a piece of paper tacked to the front door — BOB's Birth certificate! Hope you can wait this out. I am loving the entertainment.


Name
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Can you provide a link to McCains original long form birth certificate as well as a verified report of it's authenticity? While you are at it I'd like to see the original long form vault copy birth certificate of every President since Washington.

If you can't provide this, does it mean the entire Republic is is question? Is the whole Nation a fraud?


logicgrrl
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

My friend, whose two kids were born in Hawaii, and have the same Certificate of Live Birth as the President does, her oldest is in the Marines, with a security clearance.

Try again.


logicgrrl
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

Just for the record, I'd like to see yours too….


karela
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

First of all, the state of Hawaii has validated his birth there multiple times and that is absolutely all a birth certificate is—–a piece of paper from the state where a person was born that says the state verifies that person's birth occurred in that state. Secondly, around the year 2000, the state of Hawaii went paperless. All information was loaded into the state computer system and Barack Obama's original paperwork was destroyed along the paperwork of hundreds of thousands of other Hawaiians——-that's what it means to go paperless. The top Hawaiian official in charge of this information has reviewed the files as has the Republican governor of the state and both have repeatedly verified that Obama was born there and the original birth announcements from two local papers are still available. This is a dry hole. There is no conspiracy. I'm sorry if you didn't vote for the President and don't like him, but he is a legitimate President as were Eisenhower and Reagan and Lincoln and F.D.R., etc. etc. These people don't like the President and they're trying to find a way to have it their way, but this one won't work. It's a big fat lie and it's been debunked by every non-partisan panel in the country.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:06 am

Well, I’d probably get drunk first….


karela
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

The state of Hawaii went paperless around the year 2000. The information was loaded on the state computer system, but the actual original paper was destroyed for Barack Obama as it was for hundreds of thousands of other Hawaiians. The state officials verified all information was correct and the birth announcements from two papers at the time of his birth are still available. He was born there and he's an American citizen. His mother got him up at 4:30am when he was a six year old living in Indonesia to study because she said he was an American and he had to know what that meant and to know all he could possibly know about his country. How many Americans do you know who were raised with such a love for their country?


karela
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

And then there's the little fact that he passed a top level security clearance in order to serve on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee before he was elected to the Presidency and again when he ran for the Presidency. This country isn't in the habit of giving the codes for nuclear war to anyone who hasn't been checked out.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:50 am

Amen. Hell, I didn’t even have to show all that stuff to become a LAWYER!

And votersofny expects us to believe that someone would have to show a PASSPORT in order to be hired as a garbage man! Um, you know, most people don’t even HAVE a passport.

And what happened to medical confidentiality? Some jobs might require an applicant to undergo a current medical evaluation if medical condition is pertinent to the ability to perform the job, but the idea that someone would be required to produce a psych evaluation (or any past medical records at all), particularly from many years before when the individual was a minor, from a doctor who can longer be found, and that the individual would be denied a job because he couldn’t comply, is total C R A P. Moreover, unless the hapless applicant himself told this story to votersofny, the prospective employer broke the law by revealing this information — but this is actually not a problem since this whole story is an obvious fabrication by votersofny.

Dumb as a bag of hammers? Look in the mirror, votersofny.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:02 am

What the hell is AXJ? The Association of Xenophobic Jackasses?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:19 am

That is unless she was underage and married to a Brit in 1961. And especially if she was in Kenya for the birth of her little Brit before he was adopted by the Indonesian.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:20 am

Both Kenyan BCs look more authentic than the COLB.


jmcalli
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

I got a secret security clearance with a certified copy of my birth certificate. No problem. Happens all the time.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:24 am

She’ll probably be sleeping “with the fishes” by then.


tomkowalski
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Why don't they go to the person who worked for the State Department who illegally accessed his Passport and ask him what it says? Clearly, you have to provide some kind of BC to be issued a US Passport. So, I'm guessing that person knows the truth, one way or the other. I will make the assumption that since that person hasn't come forward saying that Obama was born outside the US, that he probably was in Hawaii. I'm sure some republican lawyers would have been happy to defend that guy.


ibwilliamsi
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Or, “christianwordsmity”, you could just drop it because as has been point out to you a number of times this afternoon that the President's Original Birth Certificate was destroyed along with every other Hawaiian's in 2000 and it only serves to make you look stupid.


ibwilliamsi
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

Can you please scan your original birth certificate and post it along with your Social Security number on the internet for me? Then I'll believe that you are who you say you are. What's that? You're posting under a pseudonym? Why not ask yourself, WWJD? Most certainly not what you are doing.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 12:23 am

If you can show any credible proof that he was actually vetted by Congress, the Electoral College, or any other qualified organization, I wil be happy to proclaim it ALL OVER the internet.
======================================================================

I've never seen any credible proof that any president who's ever held office has actually been vetted by Congress, the Electoral College, or any other “qualified organization.” By your litmus test, we have never had a legitimate president since none of us (yourself included) have ever seen any documentation from any president as to that president's citizenship status.

I guess the joke's on us, huh?


Steve_X
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 12:25 am

At this point, I'd settle for them admitting that they just don't like having a dark-skinned president with a funny-sounding name.

I wish this wasn't blatant racism, but that's all that this birther nonsense is.


MissRoni
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:01 am

I find it curious that the writer used WND as a credible source for the allegedly forged document. The liberal pro-Obama media normally attack WND, calling its writers right-wing moon-bats. What gives?

And, why are people so worked up over these cases? If Obama is the person he claims to be, then he has nothing to worry about! After dodging the issue for months, perhaps Obama would be better served to produce the requested documents, and put this whole matter to bed once and for always. Unless of course, there really is fire under all this smoke.


MissRoni
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:11 am

It would seem that the people from the State Department, only accessed Hillary Clinton's and John McCain's passport. According to MSNBC, separate searches were conducted in an attempt to access Obama's passport. I wonder why his passport required additional searches.

MSNBC writes:

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the violations of McCain and Clinton's passport files were not discovered until Friday, after officials were made aware of the unauthorized access of Obama's records and a separate search was conducted.

The incidents raise questions as to whether the information was accessed for political purposes and why two contractors involved in the Obama search were dismissed before investigators had a chance to interview them.

Perhaps, this was when the Birther and eligibility theories were really borne.


MissRoni
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:23 am

In this case, the leaders of the DNC and congress have come forward to say that vetting Obama was NOT their job. The FEC has stated the same, as has the DOJ, and everybody who was involved with Obama's campaign.

Yet, after seeing documents showing that McCain was born out of country, they took him to court insisting that he was not a natural born American citizen. He produced his documents, so the judge had to rule in his favor.

Every president is vetted…until now. I don't know why everybody's so fired up over this. If Obama is who he claims he is, then he has nothing to worry about. If he's lying, well the, that's a whole other story!


Steve_X
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:49 am

If you read the post above mine, you'll see that I was quoting christianwordsmith. And when did McCain have to go to court and produce his documents? If that was in the news I missed it. Congress did, however, pass a resolution to settle the issue of McCain's eligibility, and that resolution was supported by both Clinton and Obama. Not only that, the bill was written by a democrat, Claire McCaskill.

And since you claim that the other presidents were vetted, who were they vetted by, exactly?

Furthermore, if Obama were lying about who he is, there is no way that it would have been covered up until now, since both McCain and Clinton would have exposed it by now. Birthers just need to accept that there is no conspiracy, no coverup, and no secret plot. Obama won. Accept it and move on.


ThinkingForAChange
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:02 am

Dear MissRoni,

The only reason WND is sited is satire, um, to make fun.

You see if WND already has the authentic Kenyan birth certificate (which it obviously does not, but play along OK?) then how could Lucas Smith's new authentic Kenyan document look different?

See how it works, the writer uses one crazy theory to attack the next crazy theory…not that he believes either of them.

Good luck following along!

–ThinkingForAChange

P.S. I hear the newly zombified school children will start collecting everyone's guns on Christmas eve — pass it along!


elcerritan
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:53 am

So you think you're an expert on what is required in order to obtain a security clearance? Newsflash: you're not.


RedGraham
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:14 am

That's just like British Common Law of 1961 where a child born to a British citizen anywhere in the world was a Brit. They didn't even allow dual citizenship. Obama Sr was a Brit.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:43 am

Let's see, a Hawaiian COLB or a Kenyan BC. Which one do I trust?
Oh, wait, I got some mail from Africa just tonight.
<quote>
Dear Friend,

My name is Mr.Johnson Baba, I am a staff of INTERNATIONAL BANK OF AFRICA GHANA ACCRA WEXT AFRICA, Our late client named DR. GEORGE BRUMLEY, made a fixed deposit amount of $30million USD(THIRTY million US dollars)only , he did not declare any next of kin in any of his paper work, I want you as a foreigner to stand as the beneficiary to transfer this funds out of my bank into your account, after the successful transfer, we shall share in the ratio of 40% for you and 60% for me. I want to assure you that all is well planned as we shall do this inline with all legal and banking requirements.

I have to re-assure you that this transaction is 100% risk free and should be treated with absolute confidentiality.All the vital documentation/certification that has to do with the origin of the fund is with me for the security reasons.And I will send them to you when we progress. And I guarantee you that this fund is not government fund, drug money, or from arms deals. All I need from you is your willingness, trust and confidentiality so that we can work together to achieve success.

lf you are interested and wish to assist me please send me the required information below.

1, Full names,
2, Private phone number,
3, Current resident .

I wait for your urgent response.

Kind Regards,
Mr.Johnson Baba.
00233-240973058.
<unquote>


truedat
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:11 am

Why don't we hear Glenn Beck refuting the rumor that he Murdered and raped girl in 1990? Why?


AXJ
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:52 am

Doubt it. AXJ has just published the real BC documents on http://www.axjus.com chekc it out.


eirikwolf
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:00 am

Hmmm…funny, I am in the Military, getting ready to deploy to the Middle East and have a Secret Security Clearance. I also just had to file for my Government Passport and such…and guess which document from the State of Florida was used to verify my citizenship? Yup..that's right, a COLB. I guess the Military is wrong and should bow to the 'wisdom' of CWS here.. :P


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

What is it you doubt? That I have a friend whose kids’ COLB looks just like the Presidents? That she now has one in the Marines with a security clearance?

Or your own sanity?

Oh, and I’m not going to click on some link that will probably put spyware on my computer….


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

What is it you doubt? That I have a friend whose kids’ COLB looks just like the Presidents? That she now has one in the Marines with a security clearance?

Or your own sanity?

Oh, and I’m not going to click on some link that will probably put spyware on my computer….


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

It seems that while I was offline, a number of replies,criticisms, and attacks were launched in my direction.

First, let me say that while I too have held a security clearance, the rules apparently have changed.
eirikwolf said that his FLA COLB was indeed accepted, and I have no reason to doubt him.

Second, karela said that the PAPER copy was destroyed. If so, then the Hawaii officials must be lying, because they have TWICE reported that they are in possession of the PAPER copy.
I recommend you check your sources.

Third, I am only interested in establishing the truth that is behind all of the controversy. I only became involved when the issue began to mushroom. Why the President does not end the controversy which is dividing our country is unknown. What is known is that the question of whether he is Constitutionally eligible affects EVERY American. If he is not, then every Treaty he signs, and every Law he signs is NULL & VOID. The repercussions on the country and our economy, not to mention our relations with other countries could be catastrophic.

Fourth, I only said that as Senator McCain was, President Obama, and ANY candidate, should present all applicable documention to and be vetted by Congress. This did not happen.

And Fifth, Why do people resort to NAME CALLING to argue their point? If you are not intelligent enough to discuss issues on their merits, perhaps you would be kind enough not to subject the rest of us to such verbal abuse, which does NOTHING to RESOLVE the issues being discussed.
This applies to Republicans, Democrats, and anyone else. I believe it is called “common courtesy”.
NEXT…..


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

President Obama won the election through his grass roots organizational skills.
He is indeed a highly talented, educated, and savvy politician.
McCain and Clinton may be many things, but they are not stupid.

Why would McCain or Clinton subject themselves to the ridicule and scorn which comes to anyone so foolish to ask the question, unless they could obtain concrete evidence.
That would be political suicide.

Much better to stand back and let others do the dirty work. If fraud is dscovered, they would both stand to reap the benefts, and would not be seen as the ones whobrought down the country's first black president.


christianwordsmith
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

And another thing…..several people assume that McCain or Clinton would have jumped on the bandwagon if the story is true. But let me ask you, would you…if you were running against Obama?

Why would McCain or Clinton subject themselves to the ridicule and scorn which comes to anyone so foolish to ask the question, unless they could obtain concrete evidence.
That would be political suicide.

Much better to stand back and let others do the dirty work. If fraud is discovered, they would both stand to reap the benefts, and would not be seen as the ones who brought down the country's first black president.


logicgrrl
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

Oh man, you are soooo lucky to be coming into all that money! Seems as legitimate as both of those Kenyan Birth Certificates! LOL!!


mantis
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Much better to stand back and let others do the dirty work. If fraud is discovered, they would both stand to reap the benefts, and would not be seen as the ones who brought down the country's first black president.

He wasn't president yet when Clinton and McCain were running against him, genius. They didn't pursue these claims because they are ludicrous.


mantis
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Third, I am only interested in establishing the truth that is behind all of the controversy.

Then look to those stirring up the controversy. The only unknown truth is their motivations for pursuing such idiotic and ludicrous claims.

Why the President does not end the controversy which is dividing our country is unknown.

It's not dividing our nation, it is fueling a portion of the population already predisposed to despise our president. They would be dreaming up some other absurd conspiracy (and surely are) if they didn't have this one. The president by no means should give them any legitimacy by responding to their absurd and baseless allegations.

What is known is that the question of whether he is Constitutionally eligible affects EVERY American.

There's no question. He's a United States citizen, born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Fourth, Steve_X, I only said that as Senator McCain was, President Obama, and ANY candidate, should present all applicable documention to and be vetted by Congress. This did not happen.

What required documentation did Obama fail to present?


Antibirther
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

CWS, the paper copies are no longer official records for the state. Children born after 2001 don't even have paper copies.

If you contend that only the paper copy is adequate proof, then no children born after 2001 can ever grow up to be president.


mantis
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Perhaps, this was when the Birther and eligibility theories were really borne

Nope. Long before that. Andy Martin started pushing “Obama is a secrit Mooslim” stories as far back as 2004, and people just piled on to that ongoing rumor by questioning his birthplace, in 2007. The passport records were accessed in 2008.


Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

“”Why the President does not end the controversy which is dividing our country is unknown. What is known is that the question of whether he is Constitutionally eligible affects EVERY American. If he is not, then every Treaty he signs, and every Law he signs is NULL & VOID. The repercussions on the country and our economy, not to mention our relations with other countries could be catastrophic.”"

No other President, to my knowledge has had to go to such lengths to prove his citizenship and eligibility. That begs the question, what if one of them was actually ineligible? That would mean, by your logic, that all treatys, laws, etc would be null and void from that point on! WW2 may still be in effect; Civil Rights laws may be null and void; the Civil War may still be raging; Polluters may be able to dump toxic sludge willy nilly!

Should we institute a project to go back and find the original long form vault copy of the COB of every President since Washington? With out this proof the Republic in in danger! ((snark))

But seriously, there is NO controversy dividing our nation except in the feverish imaginations of those who will not let the POTUS speak to children.


Name
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

Can you link me to the documents provided by Ronald Regan when he was “vetted”? How about GW Bush? Ford?

Are you able to show me the originals as provided to Congress; I'll accept a story from a credible news outlet reporting on the content and process used to review and vet the documentation of these Presidents.

Can you do that simple task, christian wordsmith?


Jim
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

CWS – this statement shows how totally out-of-touch with reality you are. BOTH Clinton and McCain's camps looked into this and were satisfied. If there had been ANYTHING to this, they and their staffs would have been all over it. You think they would have given up their dreams of being president? I agree with your statement that they are not stupid…you, on the other hand, have no clue what you're talking about and you show it every time you post!


Steve_X
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Without realizing it, you just summed up why the birther movement can never be successful, and why Orly Taitz's mad crusade to undue last year's election will never, ever succeed. You should congratulate yourself on a job well done.


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

I see where some Judge Carter is actually going to hear this case. I suppose that's expedient enough…but what I don't understand is all the filings that the Justice Dept. is making to try to sidetrack the case – change of venue, etc. I'm not sure I want my tax dollars wasted on these efforts. Why not just have the govt. lawyers sit back with their arms folded and say, “Go ahead, make my day!”? There's absolutely no chance of this having any merit, so why waste any effort trying to stop it?


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

The only, smoke, is that coming out of the birthers ears as their little racist brains smolder.


jmcalli
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Maybe because it would save more of your “tax dollars” by not hearing the case?


Joanne
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

Because lawyers aren't paid by the filing. The quicker a lawsuit is quashed, the cheaper it is.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

Law rule number 1: Never let the other side establish a precedence on you.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

Why the President does not end the controversy which is dividing our country is unknown.
======================================================================

The answer is simple: because there IS no controversy. The birthers are a small, nutty, delusional fringe group who have no basis for their beliefs aside from mere suspicion. The only evidence that has been produced by either side shows that Obama is a natural-born citizen. The birthers can barely manage get into court; having no evidence of some mythical “foreign birth” is just another of many flaws in their master plan. The only way this nonsense would even begin to divide the country is if hundreds of millions of people suddenly lost their goddamn minds overnight and started believing in fairy tales.

Fourth, Steve_X, I only said that as Senator McCain was, President Obama, and ANY candidate, should present all applicable documention to and be vetted by Congress.
==================================================================

Democrat Claire McCaskill wrote and introduced a resolution that declared John McCain an American citizen without him showing any “applicable documentation.” They didn't even have to do that anyway since McCain, like Obama, is a natural-born citizen. Finally, that requirement isn't even in the Constitution to begin with.

If you want people to stop insulting you, then all you have to do is stop believing in nonsense. It's that simple.


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

And I'd like to see Sarah Palin's High School Diploma….


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

OK, good points all. I just didn't want to give the birthers any fodder for point-scoring.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

Much better to stand back and let others do the dirty work. If fraud is discovered, they would both stand to reap the benefits, and would not be seen as the ones who brought down the country's first black president.
=======================================================================

You're not being rational at all. What benefits would they reap? I'm not sure if you've actually read the Constitution, but the order of succession would put Clinton in line for the presidency behind Biden, Pelosi and Byrd. There's no way in Hell that the FOUR people ahead of her would be unable to serve for some reason, and Clinton knows this…which is exactly why she would have raised the birf sertifikat issue as soon as possible; the primaries were do-or-die time.

McCain would stand to gain absolutely nothing by keeping quiet for the same reason listed above. If the president is impeached, the runner-up is not suddenly declared the winner. Even if Obama were impeached there's still no chance in Hell that he will ever become president…which is exactly why HE would have raised the birf sertfikat issue as soon as possible; the general election was do-or-die time.


Jill Scott
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 12:45 am

it's all about easy money…..visit any “bifer” site and the first thing you see is the paypal donation button….wnd wingnut daily is selling videos, signs, books….keeping the economy rolling….


Reality Check
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:11 am

Birther's are racist, mentally ill assholes including Taitz.


had it with birthers
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:15 am

Ok, folks. Check with your local hospital. At least those who deliver babies. The hospital usually gives a new mom a certificate to take home with them that has the all the info on the birth and usually the footprints of the baby. Every one I have ever seen is not a legal birth certificate. WIC will accept them to get baby signed up for WIC services but for social security, TANF, passports and other legal documents, that certificate is only good as a keepsake for the family. The hospital submits the applicable information to the state, who issues a legal birth certificate. In the good old days, the certificates used to have all the info on them that the hospital certificate has, minus those cute little footprints. Mine was about 5 X 7, green safety kind of paper and was imprinted by a state seal so it has the raised seal. I couldn't find that certificate anywhere and needed to have a birth certificate so I sent my daughter to the courthouse in the state I was born to get a copy for me. She sent it to me, and it is an 8 1/2 X 11 fancy blue bordered certificate with a lot less information than the old one. (but prettier) It has the basics- file number, my name, DOB,sex, county of birth,date filed,mothers name, fathers name and date issued.(current date) It doesn't mention hospital, doctor or even the town I was born in. And it doesn't have those cute little footprints. Of course, neither did the one I misplaced. The one that did was the one that came home from the hospital when I was born that was not an accepted legal document. My children were born in the same state and had certificates more like mine, but when my grandchild was born, same state, she got a certificate just like the recent copy I just got. No additional info on hers. Just the facts. The states do not usually issue the same old kind of certificates anymore. The birth certificate that has been posted online for well over a year is what Hawaii now issues. You cannot hold President Obama responsible for knowing the whereabouts of a document that was issued when he was an infant. The state is free to issue the type of certificate they wish to nowdays and what you see online is what you get. No one has a legal or moral right to demand anything else. If it is good enough for the government, it's good enough for you. President Obama is a legal citizen, legally elected to be our president. Get over it. Grow up. Get a life. And while you're at it, do some deep soul searching on why his being in office bothers you so much. Cause I don't think it's just 'cause he's a democrat!


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:34 am

Wonderful information, thank you. But why do I feel like we're arguing with people over the existence of unicorns?


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:38 am

I have been reading and posting on this site for almost two months and i am beginning to enjoy watching the right destroy itself. At first it was embarrassing to watch and try to explain to foreign friends what is happening in our country. I was worried that there would be more violence but bullies are usually cowards who talk tough then try to persuade others to do the dirty work for them. On national TV last night the remaining repubs showed the country and the world what they stand for, nothing. They looked like angry children waving their pathetic little signs and pieces of paper, one even walked out acting like he was a two year old.

After observing dems implode for years after the rise of the right it's refreshing to see that repubs are better at self destruction. They repubs are better at many things like lying, starting unnecessary wars, spying on the public, and behaving like spoiled children.

I guess this is not new but it would be great to see one of their, Greatest Generation, parents smack them and tell them to behave.


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:17 am

If is not about a document. It is about the fact that Stanley Ann Dunham never married Obama Sr. in the frist place and used a fake divorce document to legalized the adopted child. AXJ has studied all the divorce douments in 1964 and 1980 and the true birth certificates issued by Hawaii in 1964 and on the one OBAMA presented there is a 19 added to the numbers that do not correspond to anything. This matter is such a grave matter that an emergency hearing has been scheduled. Read the recent news at AXJ: http://www.axjus,com


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:23 am

From: “Orly Taitz” dr_taitz@yahoo.com
To: Orly Taitz dr_taitz@yahoo.com
Subject: http://www.axjus.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:01:12 -0700 (PDT)

I just got word from Ms. Sweeden, clerk for District Court Judge for the Middle District of GA. We were granted an emergency hearing for Captain Connie Rhodes, MD, flight surgeon, who is scheduled to be shipped to Iraq day after tomorrow on September the 12th. Capt Rhodes states that she is willing to go to Iraq, as long as she knows that the orders going down the chain of command are lawful orders. We asked this case to be certified as a class action case, as she represents a whole class of plaintiffs situated in similar position. The hearing will be tomorrow at 2pm in Columbus GA, Federal Building 1201 12th street. Judge Clay D. Land courtroom. Judge Land was gracious and a real Southern gentleman in that he waived the technical requirement of a signature of the local counsel as a contact.

I hope that members of the military and other patriots of this country will be in the courtroom to support Cpt. Rhodes MD.
I will be making my travel arrangements shortly.

Orly Taitz DDS Esq
26302 La Paz ste 211
Mission Viejo Ca 92691
29839 S. Margarita Pkwy
Rancho Santa Margarita Ca 92688
ph. w 949-586-8110 c-949-683-5411
fax 949-586-2082


RedGraham
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:23 am

Army captain’s lawyer Orly Taitz summons Obama, Gates
By ALAN RIQUELMY
Summonses have been issued in the case of an Army captain seeking to stop her deployment by questioning the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s presidency, court records show.
The summonses, issued Wednesday, are for defendants in the civil complaint of Capt. Connie Rhodes, who claims the president is “an illegal usurper” and “an unlawful pretender” and that she cannot lawfully act under his authority. Defendants include Obama, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Thomas MacDonald, Fort Benning garrison commander.

The complaint, filed Friday in the Columbus division of U.S. District Court, is similar to the July 8 suit filed by Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, who sought conscientious objector status and a temporary injunction. California attorney Orly Taitz, a national figure in the “birther” movement, represents both.

According to the summonses, the defendants have 20 days to answer the complaint once received; they have two months if they are an officer or employee of the federal government.

Rhodes seeks to stop Gates, MacDonald and others from giving her and others orders until Obama’s citizenship status is established, her complaint states. She also seeks conscientious objector status based on her doubts of Obama’s qualifications.

A hearing on the complaint hasn’t been scheduled.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:24 am

You can have it one way or the other, but not both.
Is Stanley Ann Dunham the biological mother of Barach Obama?
If “no” then he must have come from somewhere, and a child found within the US without determinable parentage is an American.
If “yes” then the child of an unmarried American woman is an American.

You have made the point that Obama must be a natural born American according to US law.

Thank you.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:28 am

I hope that the judge is willing to rule on perjury for those persons submitting documents that are false.


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:29 am

No child was found anywhere in the USA in 1961 and no such marriage certificate.

Did you even know Stanley Ann Dunham moved away from Hawaii? Did you know there are no witnesses?

The only witness was his supposed paternal grandmother. Did you know Obama Sr. was killed in Kenya for political reasons? Did you know he was actually a Biritish citizen.

Did you know Obama's name does not appear in the 1980 divorce documents but was added on later?


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:41 am

http://www.axjus.com has just published new documents uncovered in Hawaii in this case.

How is it possible Americans all across the USA are not obligating OBAMA to come clean once and for all and tell the truth. Yesterday was his opportunity and he blew it.

He tried to lie once more to the American People and he was screamed at in Congress by Joe Wilson.

People have had enough of the lies.


had it with birthers
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 7:24 am

Joe Wilson disgraced himself and the House of Representatives with his behavior yesterday. He also broke the rules of decorum in the House of Representatives. And if he bothered to read anything, the legislation clearly states those who are not here legally will not be covered. It is very clear and to the point. His opponent has had over half a million showered on him in 24 hours and hasn't had to do anything to get it. I know I went looking for who would be challenging Wilson in his next election. So many people went to his web site it crashed. But that was OK. Thanks to ActBlue, you don't have to go to the actual website to contribute. And we aren't done yet. At least his opponent knows about honor, he's a Marine. He will not disgrace his state or the House of Representatives like Wilson has.


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 7:27 am

Stop fraud now. The supposed Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth is a total fraud and eveyone knows it. Just compare the numbers issued in 1961 and you will find that it contains an additional “19″ that did not exist in any numbering in 1961. Stanley Ann Dunham's parents attempted to register this child while she was not in Hawaii. The supposed marriage certificate to father Obama never existed. OBAMA's DNA does not match either Stanley Ann Dunham nor her mother which curiously died just before the election. No funeral and no news. Then the 1964 divorce decree was nevered served to Obama Sr. and he never had to pay any child support because he never recognized that child if it was his which we doubt. If OBAMA was truly adopted of course his true Birth Certificate will be sealed, The document actually disappeared from the original filing in 1964. Too many strange things going on and the American People have had enough of the lies. EMERGENCY HEARING tomorrow at: 02:00PM in GA. http://www.axjus.com


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 7:34 am

He did what was right and was honest. He told the supposed President of the USA in a full Congress that he was not telling the truth and actually representing the sentiment of the American People. We will stop the Government in its tracks. Enough is enough. They are spending more money than we have. Why doesn't OBAMA bring the troops back from IRAQ and AFGANISTAN as he promissed? Now he is trying to force Americans to accept his health bill with all type of strings attached. Either Americans get Public Universal Health Coverage with no strings attached or he is history. This will cost us billions which we do not have. Just regulate health insurance companies and in case someone doesn't have health insurance than the Democrats should pick up the tab because they are spending money we just don't have. The Birth Certificate Issue will come out tomorrow. http://www.axjus.com


you must be joking
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 7:50 am

Somebody needs to find the straight jackets. Looks like we need to pull out quite a few. And bring the padded wagon cause these people are nuts!


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 8:05 am

NEWS NOT CONFIRMED YET BY AXJ:

Is Judge Carter Granting Expedited Discovery of Obama's records Immediately?

http://216.221.102.26/blogger/post/Is-Judge-Car…

by DefendUSx September 10, 2009 23:10

Unsure if this is 100% true, but a credible source through “patriot” circles claims to have talked with Orly recently. See below:

I just got this from stopxspp. Jeff Schwilk, founder of the San Diego Minutemen, who is
close to Orly Taitz and Gary Kreep. So I am confident it is true.

ed//

—– Original Message —–
From: stopxspp
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: BREAKING!!! Judge Carter is Granting us Expedited Discovery – Immediately !!!! OBAMA ELIGIBILITY CASE

—– Original Message —–
From: Jeff Schwilk
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:55 PM
Subject: BREAKING!!! Judge Carter is Granting us Expedited Discovery – Immediately !!!! OBAMA ELIGIBILITY CASE

This is huge! Obama is going to have to cough up his REAL birth records now!

If you know anyone near Columbus, GA, please forward this to them!

—– Original Message —–
From: Neil Turner
To: 'Jeff Schwilk'
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:18 PM
Subject: Judge Carter is 'giving her expedited discovery – immediately';

Jeff;

I just talked to Orly:

She has 2 good news items that she is very busy with right now:

1. Judge Carter is ‘giving her expedited discovery – immediately’.

2. Judge Land will allow her to present before the court in GA. She is leaving now to fly to GA to appear before Judge Land at the Federal Building in Columbus, GA at 2:00 pm tomorrow (Friday, 9/11/09).

She would like as many military supporters to be there as possible. I called Carl Swensson (RiseUpForAmerica.com), and he will see what he can do. If you have any contacts there, please advise them.

Neil


Steve_X
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

It's possible because all Americans aren't moonbat birther idiots that believe in fairy tales and conspiracy theories that no credible evidence to back them up.

The majority of people in America know that Obama is a natural born citizen because the majority of Americans are sane. Birthers, on the other hand…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Votersofny: I am singing with this chorus on this reply thread. Psych certificates (from 13 years ago!!) – how low do you guys have to go – sorry but YOU LIE! Ooops sorry my emotions got the better of me…..hey please send a donation to me …..because I called you for what you are, a LIAR!!!!

Stop your BS NOW. Oh and by the way if you are from Miss(o)uri, how come you call yourself Votersofny?? Are you sure your telling us the whole truth.


factsmatter
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

Obama is the son of a foreigner. He is of foreign people. His pathway to US citizenship contains foreign influence.

The term “natural born Citizen” indicates a pathway to US citizenship without any foreign involvement at the time of birth in the three determining components,
1. the mother, a US citizen,
2. the father, a US citizen,
3. the location, on US soil.

100% PROVEN
The divorce papers between Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama I are already open to the public. The fact that Pres. (usurper) Obama is the son of a foreigner is conclusive and without a doubt. Nothing else is needed to remove Obama in court and erase his presidency.

STILL UNPROVEN
Where he was born along with many other identity documents, both authentic and forged during the course of his damaged life, remain to be sorted in court. The corruption of what is concealed includes not only Obama but all who help conceal for reasons both obvious and not.


Jim
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

Unfortunately, factsmatter, the last thing you understand is facts. His mother was an american, therefor he is an american. Past that, you just make things up to fit your needs. You really either need to get a life, or move to a communist country, where your ramblings will fit in quite nicely.


Jim
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

GREAT…the quicker she gets there, the quicker this gets thrown out. Judge Carter has learned. Orly, on the other hand, is still delusional and has no idea about how the courts work. If your hanging your hat on her ability, than you might as well just dump the hat down the crapper.


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Please cite the relevant passage in the legislation in question that supports your contention that the legislation applies to illegal aliens. Please show how it overcomes the section that overtly declares that the legislation will NOT cover illegal aliens. Please enumerate the beneficial effects of having a government “stopped in its tracks.” And please, please, promise us that if the Birth Certificate issue does NOT come out “tomorrow”, or if it comes out in Obama's favor, that you and your ilk will henceforth shut the hell up.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

The term “natural born Citizen” indicates a pathway to US citizenship without any foreign involvement at the time of birth in the three determining components,
1. the mother, a US citizen,
2. the father, a US citizen,
3. the location, on US soil.
========================
You are wrong. If you are born in the US, not matter who your parents are, then you are a natural born citizen.

Thus Bobby Jhindal is a natural born citizen although he was born only a few months after his parents arrived in the U.S.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

===Judge Carter is ‘giving her expedited discovery – immediately===

So she can get her very own copy of the same COLB that Obama posted on-line.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

===Judge Land will allow her to present before the court in GA. She is leaving now to fly to GA to appear before Judge Land at the Federal Building in Columbus, GA at 2:00 pm tomorrow (Friday, 9/11/09). ===

So she will present the complaint to Judge land where she calls the president a “shaved monkey.”


Steve_X
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

The term “natural born Citizen” indicates a pathway to US citizenship without any foreign involvement at the time of birth in the three determining components,
1. the mother, a US citizen,
2. the father, a US citizen,
3. the location, on US soil.
================================================================

As always, birfers show themselves to be the stupidest people in the room, as another stupid birfer (is there any other kind?) strikes again…this requirement is nowhere in the Constitution. Under the 14th Amendment the only requirement is that a person be born on US soil, and since Hawaii was a state in 1961, Obama is a natural born citizen. I would tell you to go read the Supreme Court case of U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, but I get the feeling that you're probably illiterate.

Have an adult read it to you. Slowly.

When will you stupid birfers realize that you can't make things up as you go along?

Jesus, you idiots just keep getting stupider by the day. I find myself running out of ways to make fun of you. It's only a matter of time before Taitz gets laughed out of court (again); meanwhile the birther movement continues to show it's ignorance and racism.


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Thank you for putting this in the perspective of the Greatest Generation, which, let's face it, really was great. They embodied the ideals of sacrifice, personal responsibility, and character. I keep thinking, What Would John Wayne Think? If he were in the Gallery watching Joe Wilson make an ass of himself, he's cup his hand to his mouth and shout down in that famous drawl, “Ahhh, SHADDAP, ya whiny little piss-ant! It's the PRESIDENT, fer cryin out loud! What are ya, a COMMUNIST???”


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

AXJ just published this: http://www.axjus.com

The Mistake, The Evidence, Obama is NOT a constitutional president

The Theory is Now a Conspiracy And Facts Don’t Lie

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14583

By JB Williams Thursday, September 10, 2009
Though we live in an era when all undesirable facts are often blindly labeled “conspiracy theories” by political operatives with an agenda at risk, a very real conspiracy unfolds every now and then.

While it is indeed true that not all theories are actual conspiracies, like when Hillary Clinton developed an imaginary “right-wing conspiracy” out to get her husband, when in fact, the semen stained dress provided all the necessary (but unfriendly) facts and a perfectly logical explanation for all of those nasty rumors – it is also true that some conspiracies are much more than just crackpot theory.

To be a bonafide conspiracy, two or more individuals must knowingly conspire, plot or plan an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious act. In politics or law, an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act, is a “conspiracy.” Not in theory, but in reality.

Such is the case today!

A political national committee, the Chair of the Party convention, the Secretary of the Party, Party offices in each of fifty states, and maybe many – many more, have knowingly and wantonly defrauded the American election system and more than 300 million American citizens.

They plotted and planned an act of evil, unlawful, treacherous fraud in a blind quest for unbridled political power, and they hoped that you would never catch it. They almost got away with it too…

They snuck it past fifty state election commissions, congress, the US Supreme Court and Justice Department, the Federal Elections Commission and countless members of the Electoral College nationwide. Not a single member of the, as Limbaugh says, “drive-by media” caught it either, or if they did, they decided to become complicit for their own political reasons.

But as is always the case with liars, cheats and thieves, they slip up – make a silly mistake – overplay their hand – leave evidence lying around that they had forgotten about. And as with all chronic liars, they eventually get caught in their own web of lies.

Then, one day, someone stumbles into that evidence, and the house of cards comes crashing down around them. It’s almost poetic…

The Mistake
Aware of the fact that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office of President, what well-seasoned professional politician would be stupid enough to sign their name and stake their personal career upon certifying Obama as eligible?

Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates are nominated at their respective Party Conventions.

Believe it or not, each Party is assigned the duty of vetting and certifying the legal eligibility of their own candidates. I know, like asking the fox to guard the henhouse, right. But hey, we are talking about a country which still thinks there is a separation of powers between the High Court and the Executive branch, which seats that court by way of political appointment, confirmed by congress, which wants a piece of the judge and expects a few political favors too.

The Evidence
In this case, the Democrat Party was responsible for vetting and certifying Barack Hussein Obama as legally eligible to seek the Oval Office. The U.S. Constitution has only three very specific requirements for the job. The proper legal text used on the DNC Party “Official Certification of Nomination” document reads as follows, and I quote;

“THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution.”

Yes, I know…. there is a typo in there. Not my typo, it belongs to whoever prepared the official document at the DNC. Did you catch it?

The document is signed by Chair of the DNC Convention and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, DNC Secretary Alice Travis Germond and Colorado Notary of Public Shalifa A. Williamson. It is dated August 28, 2008.

However, this document was never delivered to a single state DNC Office for state certification, and it was therefore, never presented to any state Election Commission as certification of these candidates, although I do have a copy of this notarized document myself.

Instead, a very similar document was delivered to fifty state DNC offices, which those offices certified to each of fifty state Election Commissions, who then date-stamped the document and stuck it in a file cabinet, and proceeded to place these “certified” candidates on the ballot.

The “Official Certification of Nomination” that was presented by the DNC in all fifty states for the 2008 Presidential election, in which Barack Hussein Obama became the new President of the United States, was almost identical, and it too was signed by Chair of the DNC Convention and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, DNC Secretary Alice Travis Germond and Notary of Public Shalifa A. Williamson, dated August 28, 2008.

But this version of the document was missing the following text, and I quote;

“- and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution.”

The legal certification text on the DNC certified nomination document used for the DNC ticket was limited to, and I quote;

“THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively:

Oops, another typo? The reference to Obama’s constitutional eligibility was missing… An accidental omission?

The text certifying that Barack Hussein Obama was “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution” had been removed from the document sent to the states. And yes, I have a copy of this version of the DNC Official Certification of Nomination letter too!

In fact, this version is in Election Commission files of all fifty state Election Commission offices, state DNC headquarters, complete with date stamps, matching signatures, even the same Notary of Public authentication, and absent the constitutional text.

Just in case you are wondering, the answer is yes. This version also includes the same typo present in the version not submitted by the DNC, but including the constitutional text, which means both documents have the same place of origin.

The individual at DNC headquarters who prepared this very important document was not only a poor typist… they were sloppy enough to leave both versions of the signed documents lying around.

Now this is the stuff real conspiracies are made of!

The Implications

Please, allow me to connect the dots here…

The DNC drafted, signed and notarized TWO slightly different versions of their Official Certification of Nomination documents, not one.
One of those documents had complete legal language, and one of them was missing the text concerning the constitutional eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama.
The version which is absent any certification of constitutional standing for the office of President is the version that was filed with every state in the country, and the one used by the DNC to elect Barack Obama President.
Oh, there is one more important document in this story.

The RNC “Official Certification of Nomination” for John McCain and Sarah Palin reads, and I quote:

“We do hereby certify that a national convention of Delegates representing the Republican Party of the United States, duly held and convened in the city of Saint Paul, State of Minnesota, on September 4, 2008, the following person, meeting the constitutional requirements for the Office of President of the United States, and the following person, meeting the constitutional requirements for the Office of Vice President of the Unites States, were nominated for such offices to be filled at the ensuing general election, November 4, 2008, viz;”

The certification of constitutional eligibility is there in the RNC Certification of Nomination presented to the state Election Commissions. It’s there in the document which the DNC had prepared, signed and notarized, but did NOT deliver to the states.

But it is NOT there in the DNC Certification of Nomination that the DNC used to certify and elect Barack Hussein Obama President and Joseph Biden Vice President of the United States of America.

Last, the fact that TWO DNC Certifications exist, both signed, dated and notarized by the same individuals on the same day, means that a very real conspiracy to commit election fraud was underway, and since it took until six months after the election to uncover it, the conspiracy was indeed successful.

Are you still wondering why Barack Obama has spent nearly $1.5 million in taxpayer’s funds to race Department of Justice lawyers around the country to stop all cases questioning Obama’s eligibility before discovery can force Obama to open up his top secret life?

Now I realize that leftists, I mean liberals, no “progressives” – don’t like getting all bogged down in minutia and nit-picky details like the Constitution, but this is actually very serious business here. We are talking about the top-down leadership of the ruling political Party knowingly and wantonly defrauding voters by way of playing monkey business with fraudulent election documents.

As Al Gore once said, the debate is OVER!

There is no honest debate on the matter anymore. Obama is NOT a constitutional president, which is to say, we do NOT have a constitutional federal administration at present and every anti-American policy of the last six months is also, BINGO! – Unconstitutional!

What is still in question however – does any court in America have the backbone to do what must be done? – And what do the American people do, if not one court in the nation has that kind of constitutional backbone today?

Obama’s DOJ has thus far been successful in blocking the people’s access to the courts by claiming that no American citizen, including another presidential candidate, has “proper standing” to demand proof of Obama’s constitutional eligibility for the office he fraudulently holds.

To be very clear, the RNC nomination form filed with the states certifies that John McCain met all constitutional requirements for the Office of President. But the DNC nomination form filed with the states is absent any such language.

I know what I conclude from these facts, but what do you conclude from these facts?

More importantly, what will a court of law conclude? Will they ever even agree to hear the evidence?

“In God We Trust, because man alone, especially leftists, cannot be trusted.” – BBC 2004 – JB
“Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing.” – Thomas Paine

(58) Reader Feedback | Subscribe

JB Williams Most recent columns
JB Williams is a business man, a husband, a father, and a writer. A no nonsense commentator on American politics, American history, and American philosophy. He is published nationwide and in many countries around the world. JB Williams’ website is jb-williams.com/

JB Williams can be reached at: letters@canadafreepress.com

http://americangrandjury.org/


factsmatter
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Foreign allegiance is a disquality we strive to filter out of the office of President of the USA.

Senator John McCain is a foreign born US citizen.
He was born to US parents on foreign soil and under the jurisdiction of a foreign government.

Barack Hussein Obama II is at best a dual citizen of Kenya, colony of Great Britain, and the USA. However his natural mother was only 17 years old when she became pregnant with the BHO II. As such less than 5 years had passed since her 14th birthday and when she and her parents fled to Lebanon she may have lived in the USA less than ten years. She was not of legal age to confer US citizenship to her son. If he was born in Africa as is alleged and sworn by Obama's African grandmother he has no legal birthright to any for of valid US citizenship.

In both cases each candidate for POTUS was born with allegiances foreign a foreign land. In McCain's case, he was born with dual allegiance to Panama and the USA. In Obama's case he had allegiance to both Kenya and Great Britain and later acquired full allegiance exclusively to Indonesia and to no other country. Neither candidate was or will ever be eligible to be Commander in Chief of the US military, President or Vice President. That's the law according to the US Constitution and over 200 years of State Department rulings.


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Who cares about McCain now, Joe Wilson is the new Republican Leader.

OBAMA was probably adpoted and therefore all records have been sealed. There is no marriage certificate between OBAMA Sr. and Stanley Ann Durham plus the 1964 divorce documents were never served upon OBAMA Sr and is missing the birth certificate. Strange huh? No witnesses, nothing. Also Stanley Ann Durham was not in Hawaii in 1961…all documents published on the AXJ websites around the world. http://www.axjus.com


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Facts don't lie…YOU LIE!!


you must be joking
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

OK “factsmatter”- you have introduced a new one. Why and when are you claiming the presidents mother and grandparents “fled” to Lebanon and why would they “flee” anywhere? They were US citizens, his grandmother worked at a bank in Hawaii where she worked for many years and worked herself up to vice president of the bank.
Secondly, it doesn't really matter if the presidents mother was married to his father. The status does not mean anything to the presidents citizenship. He was born in Hawaii to a US citizen. No matter what you guys keep trying to make up, he is a citizen, duly elected to be our president. Your user name is an ironic joke because facts apparently DON'T matter to you. What should matter is why you and your ilk can't accept a black man for our president.


factsmatter
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

A PLAUSIBLE STORY

Stanley Ann Dunham, mother of BH Obama II, while studying during her freshman year at the university got pregnant with her son in early November 1960. She married the baby's father, BH Obama I who was also a student. After school they went to Africa to meet the in-laws. When Stanley Ann met the other wife and child of her new husband she flipped. After giving birth (wherever) she gathered he belongings and moved directly to Seattle alone with her newborn. She enrolled in courses the the university there and soon after divorced BHO. (Now missing from the public divorce documents is the required birth certificate.)

Stanley Ann, single parent mother, met and married Lolo Soetoro, a resident and citizen of Indonesia. She married him and moved to Indonesia with him where he legally adopted her son. In order to attend school there he became a citizen. His identity documents indicate that he is Barry Soetoro, Muslim, citizen of Indonesia.

After several years there she sent her son, Barack II, to the USA abandoning him to her parents in Hawaii. His half sister Maya Soetoro followed.

His grandparents helped him acquire foreign student scholarships relieving them of financial burden. As a foreigner he attended Occidental College.

Somewhere between Occidental College and the Illinois Senate, Barry Soetoro assumed the alias identity of Barack Hussein Obama II. No evidence exists that Barry Soetoro ever became a naturalized US citizen, renouncing his Indonesian citizenship and pledging exclusive allegiance to the Constitution of US the same way as all legal immigrants.

FACT
Legal immigrants are eligible to hold elected office in the US House or Senate but not the office of POTUS or V.POTUS.


Jim
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

AXJ…LOL, nobody is clicking your delusional site, so why don't you just give it up. We know you have no proof, just that little mind of yours sitting in a dark room playing with yourself and thinking about giving a black man a blow job. If you did have proof, I'm sure I wouldn't have to go to your website to find it…therefor you got nothing! So why don't you tell these poor blowers the truth? Come on, you can do it. They're tough, they'll understand. You're just trying to profit off their delusions and you know a fool and his money is soon parted. Be honest. That's all we ask…and quit trying to soak the blowers.


you must be joking
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Sorry Charlie, but wrong again! A parent cannot surrender a childs US citizenship. I don't care what his mom did or didn't do, what his stepfather did or didn't do, the president was born a US citizen and his citizenship was not, COULD NOT be surrendered by anyone other than himself AFTER he gained the age of majority. There is no evidence to suggest the president ever did anything like that after he reached adult status. From ten years of age he lived and went to school exclusively in the United States. And as a point of fact- his mother did not “abandon” him. She merely sent him to live with his grandparents so he could attend school. There has never been any evidence the president went to school on “foreign student” scholarships. Repeating a lie does not make a lie true. Shame on you for lying. I hope you aren't raising any children because you are setting a very poor example.


Jim
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

For FactsMatter:

A PLAUSIBLE STORY

Factsmatter and the other birthers are closet members of the KKK. That's why they want to get rid of a Black president. They can't stand the idea of our country being run by a black man. They do not, for one second, believe a single word of the drivel they've been posting. Their only objective is to get scared white people to give money to them so they can live in their 1960's trailers in luxury sipping russian vodka under their communist flags.

Sounds about as plausible as yours. Actually, if we took a vote, I bet the board would think my store is far more plausible than yours.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

Wow, you better get this to Orly Taitz right away. Don't get me wrong; you still have no concept of any type of law whatsoever (the laws that you make up in your own mind don't count, and are not binding on any court), and you still have no way of explaining away how the 14th Amendment makes all of this garbage that you posted moot. Then there's the problem of that rather inconvenient case of U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark that is binding law on every court in this country, and has been since it was decided by the Supreme Court in 1898.

Wait..don't tell me: Obama built a time machine and forced the Supreme Court to do his bidding, right? Given the other nonsense birthers believe, that can't be too far off of the mark. When Orly goes before the judge, make sure that she mentions the part of the conspiracy where Obama stole plutonium from the Libyans before he was gunned down at Twin Pines Mall. That way, the judge will know what Obama used to power the flux capacitor of his DeLorean.

Here's where I would also explain Federal Rule of Evidence 902, which discusses self-authenticating documents, but I'll save that for another day. Better yet, I'll just email Orly Taitz since no one else apparently told her about it. I guess she couldn't find enough cereal box tops to send away for the FREv coloring book.

Even funnier, this piece of shit, poorly-written garbage manages to completely misread Article II of the Constitution. Look birthers, you gotta realize at some point that if you plan on going to court with this blatant racism, the least you could do is have some actual law on your side. After all, without facts or evidence the law is all you have left to hang your tinfoil hats on.

You should get this to Taitz because after reading a few of her pleadings I can tell that you are the better writer by far. You will lose just as she will, but I can never laugh at you stupid birther idiots enough.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

If any of that garbage is a plausible story, the Santa Claus delivering toys to every house in the world in one night is also a plausible story.


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

No Stanley Ann Dunham never married OBAMA, Sr., no marriage certificate can be found.

She moved to Seattle in 1961 so OBAMA could not have been born in HAWAII.

She filed for divorce in 1964 and the true Birth Certificate has been published in the divorce papers but obviously has gone “missing”.

Stanley Ann Dunham adopted OBAMA. Neither OBAMA Sr. nor SOETORO recognized the child as you can read in the 1980 divorce documents which have also been manipulated.

His grandparents helped him acquire foreign student scholarships relieving them of financial burden. As a foreigner he attended Occidental College.

Documents published at: http://www.axjus.com


Jim
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Sorry, AXJ, we just are not going to give you any more clicks. Only the tinfoil hat crowd of blowers are interested in your delusional musings. Shame that they are too stupid to realize that you and WND are just shysters trying to separate them from their money and do not even believe what you're writing yourself. But, I guess if they want to be treated like fools, you'll do the job.


AXJ
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

Check this out….

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2426


mombasakenya
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:13 am

I'm curious about one thing, David. If Mombasa was part of Zanzibar in 1961 as you have repeatedly claimed, then why did Britain's Princess Margaret and HRH the Duke of Edinburgh stop there in their 1956 tour of British Africa as guests of Sir Evelyn Baring, the Governor of British Kenya? Notably, they did so separate and apart from a visit to the Sultan of Zanzibar (then a British protectorate) a week prior, separated by an interlude in British Tanzania.

http://www.axfordsabode.org.uk/pdf-docs/hmybrit…


factsmatter
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:26 am

FOREIGN FATHER = FOREIGN SON (to be stipulated by Defendant Obama)
A foreign father automatically passes that same foreign allegiance to his son.
- from the Law of Nations, the body of law referenced in the US Constitution.
Because of his foreign allegiance, Obama was and always will be ineligible to be Commander in Chief of the US Military and POTUS. No birth certificate will extinguish his foreign allegiance.

DISCOVERY OF IDENTITY DOCUMENTS
In the case of his eligibility to be a US Senator or even legally reside in this country, the entire body of identity documents from birth till the election will reveal whether any further crime and corruption by and surrounding Barack Hussein II exists. If he's here illegally, we simply don't hire illegals.

LIMITED ABILITY OF MOTHER TO CONVEY US CITIZENSHIP
“Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship By a Child Born Abroad
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock:
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.”
- from Law, Regulations & Public Policy of the US DEPARTMENT OF STATE.

Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro, born November 29, 1942.
Barack Hussein Obama II, aka Barry Soetoro, born August 4, 1961, when mother was 18; location – concealed and disputed.

In Hawaii,
no hospital or medical professional claims him,
he and his mother never lived at the address posted in the Hawaiian newspaper announcement,
they lived in Washington State when his mother attended autumn classes

In Kenya,
the hospital where he was born claims him in writing,
the Kenyan Parliament claims him on the record and
his African grandmother witnessed his birth.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:35 am

Quick review:
Article II, Section 1 of Constitution; No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; …
Article I, Section 8 of Constitution; The Congress shall have Power To … To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, … –And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Congress has acted on the issue of “natural born citizens” through Sec 301.[8 U.S.C. 1401 & 8 U.S.C. 1409], so we have American law rather than conjecture.

Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401]
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1409]
(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

Obama's mother is a citizen under 1401(a) and lived in the U.S. for more than one year.
If she gave birth anywhere in the United States, he is citizen under 1401(a);
If she found a space alien baby and adopted him, he is a natural born citizen under 1401(f);
If she gave birth to Barrak Obama in Hawaii, Kenya or the moon, he is a citizen under 1409(c).

Wait, maybe she was legitimately married? Re read AXJ for proof that she wasn't.
What about his biological father? He was still married to his first wife, Keziah Grace Aoko Obama.
Hawaiian Law: 572-1 Requisites of valid marriage contract. In order to make valid the marriage contract, which shall be only between a man and a woman, it shall be necessary that:
(3) The man does not at the time have any lawful wife living and that the woman does not at the time have any lawful husband living;
Keziah was married and still living at the time of Obama's birth. Still is alive, I believe.

Now, let us expect the birthers to spin the law or the facts. For example, AXJ will *now* prove that Obama's parents were married. Likely by finding an African divorce document, and then finding a Hawaiian Marriage Certificate. Spin, spin, spin little spider.


RedGraham
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:49 am

Our best hope might be to just pass a couple state laws requiring presidential candidates to provide their original longform Birth Certificate. This would at least prevent BHO from seeking re-election. A couple states would be hard to ignore. A lone state like Wyoming or Utah would not matter much but Texas would really help.


Jim
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:58 am

Red, you want to repeal the 10th amendment? How would everyone born in Wyoming or Utah like to have their birth certificate questioned…maybe sent back to their state of birth. It won't happen, states are the recorders of birth and each state recognizes each other's birth certificate. Hawaii says he was born there, other states are required to recognize that fact. You cannot get around that fact no matter how much you try to twist and turn it.


AXJ-HAWAII
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 9:04 am

No discussion here. OBAMA is NOT a natural born US citizen and is not eligible to occupy the Office of the President. He will have to resign once the Kenyan birth certificate is certified by the Authorities in Kenya.


AXJ-HAWAII
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 9:19 am

I am a member of AXJ and no we don't need anyone's money. It is great if someone donates but that only goes to the webmasters. The only true facts we have are the following:

1.) Bogus Obama certificate of live birth that does not look like anything that AXJ has posted on their website; http://www.axjus.com and the numbers do not even correspond.

2.) Fake divorce documents dated 1964 that were never served on a Barack Obama Sr. that was killed in Kenya for political reasons.

3.) Fake divorce documents dated 1980 that adds in a child over 18 but does NOT mention OBAMA by name.

Therefore no real documentation exist and neither Stanley Ann Dunham nor her mother have any biological or DNA similarities to OBAMA. The strange thing is that Stanley's mother died just before the election and no funeral was ever conducted, and the guy that was cooperating with the FBI on who was tapering with OBAMA's and Stanley's passports which we will have in due course. Just a matter of time now. It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with the Truth, something liberals no nothing about.


AXJ-HAWAII
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 9:45 am

This whole discussion is stupid. There is not one piece of evidence that links OBAMA to Stanley Ann Durham. No DNA, no true photos, all photoshopped, nothing. Prove otherwize.

He has more of a resemblance to Malcolm X than to an Obama Sr. No witnesses, nothing.

Stanley Ann wasn't even in Hawaii in August of 1961….

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…


Jim
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

Hawaii begs to differ, AXJ, and since this is america and not some communist country, that trumps any fake documents that you and Orly want to come up with. Besides, every Kenyan official has said he was not born there. So, I want to dedicate this next song to you and all the other birthers…a classic by Aerosmith called “Dream On”.


Jim
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

Just because you want to ignore it, AXJ, doesn't mean it's not true. There is one HUGE piece of evidence. It's called a Hawaii BC that has been verified by officials of the state as begin true and legal. Plus, 2 newspaper birth announcements to further verify Obama's birth in Hawaii. That trumps any and all imaginary facts you can come up with. Unless and until you can get Hawaii to recant that fact (which they never will) Obama is an american citizen eligible to hold the office of POTUS.


factsmatter
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

“One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example) they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature, or jus naturale, the laws the founders recognized and embraced.

Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations.” – PA Madison


Jim
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

factsmatter wrote: Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations.” – PA Madison

Glad to see you've finally seen the light, factsmatter. Since Obama's mother was a citizen at his time of birth, Obama's a citizen. Congrats on locating that and finally recognizing that Obama is and always will be the true and legally POTUS. It's so nice when the fog finally lifts from a birther's brain and they see the truth and not some imaginary conspiracy. Now don't go off into left field and start spouting some communist nonsense about it only being about the father, in the US men and women are treated the same by the law, so what is good for the father is also good for the mother.


factsmatter
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States, wrote to George Washington on July 25, 1787:
“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

If Barack Obama has always been in the USA legally and if he is a US citizen, his path to citizenship contains allegiance to foreign powers (Kenya and Great Britain by birth and Indonesia by acquisition) and therefor requires adjudication. Adjudication is not a natural fact. It is a legal proceeding. The tinge of foreign allegiance can never be completely erased from the heart and mind. It was wise of those who founded the USA to exclude people with backgrounds like Barack Hussein Obama II from eligibility for the office of POTUS and V.POTUS with the phrase, “natural born Citizen.”

Now comes BHO II, an impostor who has slipped under the guardrails of the law. Only a person who has sedition in their heart would be in favor of foreign control of the country their parents and grandparents built. His presence in the office of POTUS is an offense to the US Constitution and, Obama knows it and likes it. It's what he means by CHANGE. The long arm of the law will eventually expose his fraud and enforce true justice upon him.

Does Barack Hussein Obama II commit treason or is he simply a foreign invader who has seized control from inside?

Those US citizens who support and defend the presence of a person with any form of foreign allegiance in the office of President and Commander in Chief, are traitors to your country and guilty of sedition.


Jim
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

Hi facts…rant often? By your standards, anyone who has even visited a foreign country make themselves ineligible for the presidency. Anyone who was a POW, or even arrested in a foreign country becomes ineligible…since they now have allegiance with that foreign government in order to survive. Pretty soon, you'll try to have anyone who thinks a foreign country is “a nice place” being ineligible for the presidency…as shallow as the american fries the pubs pushed after France wouldn't agree with them about the need for war. Unfortunately for you, that's not the law of the land.

Hawaii says Obama is a natural born citizen. The rest is just in your imagination. The only imposters I've been able to locate in these discussions is the blowers who keep looking for any little tidbit they can stretch and twist for their needs. The only way you can win this argument is to have Hawaii recant their assertion that Obama was born there…never happen. Otherwise, just keep being entertaining, I can always use a good laugh at a delusional person.


AXJ
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

We could care less what HAWAII or anyone else says for that matter. If HAWAII was willing to give out a fake certificate of live birth where the numbers don't even correspond what else won't they do?

Haven't you seen an read the documents on the 30,000 plus pieces of evidence AXJ has uncovered around the world?

Don't you bother to read and see the facts. The birth certificates on file in Hawaii are numbered before OBAMAs yet were given out days after he was supposed to be born there. The COLB is fake. Point mute. Now move on.

Orly Taitz has an emergency court hearing on Monday morning and if the Judge orders discovery the party is over for OBAMA, CLINTON, PELOSI and the rest of the Marxist.

Did you know that a US Federal Judge has the authority to have them arrested for Treason against the USA? Thousands of Marchers and Patriots are in Washington, DC right now.

What do you think this is a joke?


Jim
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

Well, AXJ, you've shown a lot of fake stuff there. Unfortunately, you haven't shown that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, as attested to by state officials and 2 newspaper announcements. And, you haven't shown where Obama denounced his citizenship after he turned 18. So, he is an american citizen, eligible to hold office.


AXJ
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Thank you Factsmaster for finally clearing up what a Natural born Citizen is and what OBAMA is not.

AXJ could care less where OBAMA was born only that the US Constitution be upheld. It slowly will be. If there were more conspirators in this case they will be arrested and tried for Treason against the American People. Apparently Canada Free Press have just published documents proving PELOSI was in on it too.

The Patriots and Grand Jury should proceed against them all immediately. AXJ and well as the entire US Military gave an oath to uphold the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. Guess the time has come.


AXJ
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

Jim go away. You are not a true American. You are probably a Brit trying to buy into America like most of them do. Out.


Jim
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Actually, you keep proving time and time again how you aren't a true american. Misquoting the constitution, belittling the state government of Hawaii, not even having the basic understanding of American law. The only true thing you are is a true nutcase. We Americans defend our constitution from people like you…even going so far as making sure that your 1st amendment (you remember that one, don't you AXJ?) are protected and you are free to lie out your ass. So, as you try to quell my 1st amendment rights, I'll just keep right on showing what an idiot you and the rest of the blowers are.


Jim
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

AXJ, I know and you know you don't have any evidence. All you have is wild theories and forged documents. If you had any more you wouldn't be here, you'd be on FOX.

And, AXJ, it is definitely a joke. Why do you think I'm sitting hear laughing hysterically at your posts? You have a 49-year conspiracy being conducted by every level of government…yet you have nothing to prove the conspiracy exists. Hey, I know of a better way to put your imagination to use and make money without soaking all those poor misguided blowers…I hear Martin Scorsese is looking for a new script. Instead of sitting at a web site making things up, why don't you write all your theories into a script and send it off to him. Your ideas are so out there, he may just like it!


factsmatter
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

Neither the government of Hawaii nor the US Senate has the authority to change the definition of the phrase, “natural born Citizen” nor declare someone to be such when they are not.

There is no confusion about US citizens born of foreign parents or in foreign lands. They require the use of US Dept. of State regulations, rulings and laws to adjudicate their positions as US citizens because they don't come by it naturally. The citizenship of people, who have legal US citizenship but are of foreign origins, is no less valid than those who come by their citizenship naturally and without legal proceedings. It's just that we screen out anyone who has ever had a foreign allegiance from eligibility to be POTUS or V.POTUS.

Barack Hussein Obama II claims that his natural father was always a foreign citizen and never a US citizen. Too bad for all who voted for him but he lied about his eligibility to be a POTUS. Obama cheated and lied to acquire his position. Some of his direct accomplices are Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and Michelle Obama.


Jim
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Unfortunately for you, facts, your mind is not the law of the land. Hawaii says he was born there, he is a citizen of the US. The confusion is in your mind about the law. Well, you have no say in the interpretation, the SCOTUS does and they've already ruled for that. He was born in Hawaii, he is a citizen of the US and eligible for the the position of POTUS. Nothing you try to twist and turn to fit your needs will ever change that. Besides, if you won't even listen to the Supreme Court, who the heck are you going to get to overturn Obama's election? THAT HAS TO BE THE DUMBEST THING YOU'VE COME UP WITH!!! You ignore SCOTUS precedence, and then expect them to do the same? What planet are you from?


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Or better yet, put your money where your mouth is. Place a wager. I'll even give you odds – say, 10 to 1. I'll pay you $10 for every dollar you wager, up to $10,000, if any court in this country holds that Obama is not the rightful POTUS. You would pay me when you birther types exhaust your last appeal, wherever that lands. Game on?


Jim
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

Watch out, Jim S, Inhofe says it could take 10 years to get through the courts…by then the blowers would have returned to the hole in the earth until their next conspiracy, in about 20 years. You'd probably never be able to collect.


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Probably? I'm certain of it. Even if I won in the next 4 years, if these people can't accept brute facts and hard documentation, they certainly wouldn't accept an obligation of this nature. Nevertheless, at least I know MY money's safe.


you must be joking
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

You are right there. But it is obvious. These people will accept nothing, no kind of proof, that our POTUS is a natural born citizen and therefore legally holds the office to which he was elected. If the SC agreed to hear the case and ruled against them, they would say that the SCOTUS was in on the conspiracy. It really doesn't matter to them that they sound stupid and deranged, no one will change their minds. They know no truth but their own.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 1:25 am

You're never gonna get through to him. If you ask me, I blame the syphilis that he got from fucking that goat a few weeks ago; it is eating his brain alive as we speak.


Jim
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 1:29 am

I know that steveX…it's just so much fun to keep them twisting and turning until they finally type something that shows they know they got nothing and Obama's the President. I especially like when they type some old quote or something that when interpreted proves that Obama's claim to POTUS is perfectly legit. Nothing more satisfying, and especially entertaining!


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 4:39 am

I was under the impression that you respect our Constitution.
Article II, Section 1 of Constitution; No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; …
Article I, Section 8 of Constitution; The Congress shall have Power To … To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, … –And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Congress has done just that in Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401 & 1409]

The Constitution doesn't say to turn to some European philosopher who never set foot in the U.S.A. And it doesn't leave it to some private citizen to set the standard either.


AXJ
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 5:29 am

You still haven't explained how Obama was born in 1961 if his supposed mother Stanley Ann Dunham wasn't even in Hawaii? Get you facts straight. Tommorow we have another hearing and if that Judge grants discovery we will all know who OBAMA really is and where he was born. Oh you forgot only 2 million Americans were in Washington, DC protesting…


AXJ
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 5:33 am

So true Facts. They still haven't explained how Obama was born in 1961 if his supposed mother Stanley Ann Dunham wasn't even in Hawaii then? They have to get their facts straight. Tomorrow we have another hearing and if that Judge grants discovery we will all know who OBAMA really is and where he was born. Oh they seem to forget only 2 million Americans were in Washington, DC protesting…


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 5:33 am

You'll never get to discovery…be tossed soon. Besides, all you'll get it the Hawaii BC and 2 newspaper notices that attest to his birth and she gone. Oh, BTW, there is also a witness. Obama was born in Hawaii and AXJ needs new batteries for his tin foil hat.


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 5:38 am

HoHum…so now you're hanging your hat on some imaginary movement of a pregnant mother. Where are you going to have her next AXJ…South Pole? Hawaii BC, 2 newspaper announcement, witness vs what you got…green men and imaginary conspiracies. Keep on hoping that Orly suddenly becomes a lawyer and not a lunatic…the earth may even reverse its spin for you…but you still got nothing.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 5:43 am

As you said earlier, Stanley Ann Dunham was not legally married. Unmarried American women can have a baby anywhere on earth, in space or on the moon, and the baby is still a natural born American.

Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1409]

(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

Spin little spider, spin.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 5:53 am

As you said earlier, Stanley Ann Dunham was not legally married. Unmarried American women can have a baby anywhere on earth, in space or on the moon, and the baby is still a natural born American.

Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1409]

(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

Spin little spider, spin.


AXJ
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 7:45 am

You have to start by proving Stanley Ann Dunham was actually OBAMA's mother.

This is going to make you nervous…

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2466


you must be joking
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 7:51 am

You people don't have a clue. For one thing, pregnant women weren't allowed on airplanes after 7 or 8 months, limiting the places the the future presidents mother could have traveled. But more importantly, I have seen no EVIDENCE that Mrs. Obama was any place but hawaii at the time of her son's birth. It has been investigated by many people and found to be fact. The president was indeed born in Hawaii at the time and date indicated on his birth certificate that is posted online and has been posted for well over a year. No amount of false information you and people like you try to put out there, that dog won't bark. It just isn't true. I eagerly await the day that the crazy Taitz woman is locked up because anyone with as many cards missing from her deck should not be walking around free. She is crazy. Just listening to her on TV is a trip that I didn't want to take. I don't care how many times she stridently insists she has another birth certificate that is the real one this time, she is a complete loon. (With my apologies to the bird.) It really doesn't matter how many web sites go up, it is all false and if you are giving your money to any of them than the old saying “a fool and his money are soon parted” would apply.


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

AXJ, I just can’t believe how totally stupid you are. Let me see if I can show you. The reason that the BC has an additional ’19′ added to the front of the number is because…wait for it…we crossed into the 21st century!!! That’s right! We actually change from the years 19XX to 20XX! So, on the computer, you identify years as 2001 instead of 01 so that they do not get confused with 1901. Remember all the noise going on about computers failing when we crossed in 2000? God you are stupid. When will you get a life? The only strange things going on here are in your mind!


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 11:58 am

AXJ, another made up fact is going to make us nervous? Are you as big a fool as you try to prove every time you post? That's the only thing you've ever proven.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 12:00 pm

Orly, you know darn well, that that is not true. If you are born in the U.S. then you are a natural born citizen of the U.S. That includes children of African heritage as well.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

I suspect that “Facts” is actually Orly herself.


AXJ-OBAMA CONSPIRACY
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 1:08 pm

You guys just don’t listen do you. This affidavit by an American Citizen is enough proof when presented in a Court of Law. Smith wanted to testisfy and the Judge did too but your Attorney Generals were opposed. Why? They should be arrested for Treason. The Judge has already said he will not dismiss this case. Discovery will soon be open. See the video:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2465


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

Sorry Red, made up facts do not change the law. Once he was born to an american citizen, the baby is american. Her age, who she married, who he was adopted by make absolutely no difference. Once he came out of the chute, he was a natural born american citizen and the only person who could change that was him, after the age of 18. Making up things can’t change the laws.


factsmatter
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

The comings and goings of Obama's alleged mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, into and out of the USA are documented by the US Customs Service but are now concealed since the onset of Obamunism.


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

Right, facts, and little green men are hiding under your bed ready to suck out your brain for their experiments. Maybe it's just a little simpler than that…there are no records. And since her travels to Indonesia, etc are documented…that just puts another damper on another wacky theory. You know, factsmatter, it would be nice with a moniker like that you'd at least have 1 fact correct…you've yet to do that.


factsmatter
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

If you are the son of a foreigner then you have foreign allegiances within the path to your current citizenship. The probability that Obama has mixed allegiances is about 100%. Obama has a team of lawyers to conceal and suppress the issue because his citizenship status needs to be litigated.

Not all US citizens are “natural born Citizens.” Those with the status of “foreign” in anyone of the three elements determining a newborn's citizenship are not. Those who later become citizens of countries demanding exclusive allegiance loose their US citizenship of whatever classification.

The requirement “natural born Citizen” is mentioned in the US Constitution for only two positions (POTUS and V.POTUS) and no others.

You can't be a “natural born Citizen” of two countries at the same time. The term “natural born Citizen” is merely a pathway to citizenship without foreign involvement. It is not a birth right. Obama was born with British citizenship.

For those of you who deny all this I say, that's a good first step toward your recovery. It means you are confronted with the facts and the shroud is lifting.

For those of you who are interested in confusion and chaos (anarchy) for the purposes of destroying the USA and replacing it with Obamunism, we're on to you. You are out numbered and poorly motivated by you obvious greed and lust for control.


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

Facts, one of these days, you're going to get your facts right…and prove once and for all how wrong you are. What is Obama hiding? He, himself, said his father was a Kenyan citizen. So he's not hiding any fact there. But, he was born in Hawaii, which makes him an american citizen by birth. US does not recognize dual citizenship, only american citizenship which was bestowed on Obama by the location of his birth, Hawaii, and his mother, who was an american citizen. Making things up doesn't change that and never will.


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

I just had to share a laugh with everyone. I was looking up Orly Taitz on google to see where her latest case stood, and I noticed a paid advertisement on the side…

1.
Orly Taitz Fan Club
We want to see Orly on our TVs
and want her as President of the US
http://www.facebook.com/

Amazing, they won't accept Hawaii BC and newspaper announcements, but want a Russian as president. How delusional are these people?


Steve_X
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

That may be the most awesomely retarded thing I've seen all day.


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

And now, the court will put another birther out of her misery by Wednesday…

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/83947…

I notice some of the same blower characters from here are now using those same, tired arguments on that board. Guess I'll play along.


AXJ
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

Point is moot anyway. Looks like Judge Land has just agreed to grant expedited discovery. We will soon know where OBAMA was really born: http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2472

Guess his Executive Order is useless anyway. Do you think they will arrest Hillary and Pelosi as well?


AXJ
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

Sure, at least she is honest and follows the Constitution…


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Wrong constitution, wrong country there AXJ. But, from your rantings, I wouldn't expect you to understand that. And, calling Orly honest only shows how really out of touch with reality you are.


AXJ
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

Who said Stanley Ann Dunham was pregnant? No hospital. No physician? Go convince someone else. Cat is out of the bag anyway. The Judge has accepted Smith's Affidavit as true. OBAMA was born in Kenya. Next step disqualification. Guess we are back to McCain! Thank God. and Orly.


Jim
Comment posted September 14, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

Sorry, AXJ, come wednesday she's off to Iraq. She herself said she had no objection to going to Iraq, just didn't want to do it under this president. Well, she can't be a conscientious objector and not object to going. And, she doesn't get to decide which president she wants to follow, that was up to the american people who elected Obama. So, come Wednesday, this will be another in the loss column for the great lawyer career of Orly Taitz! Like I said before, it will never make discovery.


ernest
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 12:47 am

“110TH CONGRESS-Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.-IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES-
Mrs. MCCASKILL(D)(for herself and Mr.LEAHY{D}),–Mr.OBAMA(D)–,Mr.COBURN(R),Mrs.CLINTON(D),and Mr.WEBB(D)”..(Summary of findings of Senate Judiciary Committee by Senator Leahy,(D)Vermont)-Quotes from hearings:“Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,”said Leahy.“I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”Michael Chertoff said “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen”..The Senate Judiciary Committee UNANIMOUSLY AGREED BOTH PARENTS MUST BE U.S.CITIZENS WHEN THEIR CHILD IS BORN FOR IT TO BE A “natural born Citizen” UNDER LAW,thus Obama,by his OWN definition,is NOT Constitutionally qualified-his father was NOT a U.S.Citizen.


ernest
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Jim – You obviously haven't read the case file, heard the statements made by the Judge in open court, nor do you know the law, as a result, you have just made a complete fool of yourself.


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Ernest, you understand that Orly was not even able to get the fake BC into evidence? They got nothing, they get nothing. Wednesday, if the judge cares to take that long, that doctor will be off to Iraq. The only fools I've found is that girl's lawyer, and anyone who thinks she has a chance of even getting out of her duty…like you ernest. I know the results because this is an american court and as the Judge stated:

“Who has the burden of establishing that the president of the United States is not eligible to serve in his office?” Land asked Taitz.

The judge pointed out that burden fell on Rhodes because she sought the restraining order to stop her deployment.

And, she proved nothing except she disliked the current POTUS. I expect the Judge to rule according to the law, which he will, and the request for injunction to be denied, which it will. But, ernest, you and the other blowers are more than welcome to keep hanging your hats on these obvious desperate attempts to remove a sitting president…and I'm free to laugh at your type every time they fail.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 1:01 am

Yes McCain is a natural born citizen because he qualifies under one of several methods allowed by Congress. The section of the bill does not quote the appropriate laws, you may wish to look them up. Sec. 301 ( U.S.C. 1401 & 1409)
McCain qualified under one rule, I qualify under more than one rule. Obama qualifies under one or more rules, e.g. He was born in Hawaii, which is sufficient.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 1:06 am

As you have previously stated, Stanley Dunham and Obama Sr were not married. A child born to a “natural born American” woman, is a “natural born American” no matter where they are born.
Sec. 301 ( U.S.C. 1409(c))

You already know that. But you cannot bring yourself to admit it. Instead you spin.

Spin little spider, spin.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 1:08 am

By far the best part of the article is the following exchange, which shows just how big of a shyster Taitz is, and how dumb her clients are to give her money:

In her final argument, Taitz asked Land why she had to prove a “Kenyan birth certificate” she submitted as evidence was authentic, yet her opponents didn’t have to prove Obama had an authentic United States birth certificate.

“Who has the burden of establishing that the president of the United States is not eligible to serve in his office?” Land asked Taitz.

The judge pointed out that burden fell on Rhodes because she sought the restraining order to stop her deployment.
====================================================================

The birthers truly are the biggest fools on the planet. The punchline to this joke is coming, and soon!


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 1:19 am

Did she actually submit the Kenyan BC? I wish that she did it in a fashion to allow the judge sufficient grounds to rule on perjury for submitting false testimony.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 1:33 am

The article didn't really say one way or another. If she hasn't yet, I have a feeling that she will eventually since its the only thing even remotely close to evidence that she has.

No matter what though, when the judge has to explain the burden of proof to you during the hearing, you have already failed. Rule 11 sanctions and possible disbarment are just the icing (and the candles!) on the cake.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 1:40 am

In America we distinguish between “allegiance” which a citizen gives and “subjection” which a citizen endures. The United Kingdom has been trying to claim subjection over Americans since 1776, and we even fought the War of 1812 over that issue. BTW, We won!
If you were born here, you are a natural born American citizen.
If England wants to make you a natural born British subject, you are not obligated to accept it.

BTW, the confusion and chaos is coming from those who are trying to remove the lawfully elected President. They wish to replace two centuries of American Constitutional law with “natural law” based upon European philosophers.


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 1:47 am

Plus he was born to an american citizen…which makes it doubly sufficient PoppaDavid.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 2:23 am

Yes. As regulated by 1401 & 1409. After all, we are a nation of law. <smile>


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Who said Stanley Ann Dunham was pregnant?
Is this supposed to be a trick question? YOU said it when you said the Kenya BC was real. It gives her name as the mother.

If you would spin slower, you could remember your lies better and be more consistent.

BTW, the Constitution and the laws of the U.S. will determine who is in line to fill the President's place if he were to leave office. It is not McCain.
Start with Vice President Joe Biden, then Speaker Nancy Pelosi, then Senator Byrd , and then Sec of State Hillary Clinton.

Are you really sure this is what you are working towards?


AXJNEWS
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 6:39 am

Looks like OBAMA will be out of office in 30 days:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2473


you must be joking
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 7:37 am

Dream on dude. He is the duly elected POTUS, born in Hawaii to an American woman. If you believe that crazy person I just watched on that video, I have a bridge to sell you.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Are you paid by ACORN or Move0n.org? Or maybe directly by Barry Soetoro?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Are you paid by ACORN or Move0n.org? Or maybe directly by Barry Soetoro?


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

Actually, I’m you worst enemy Red, a private citizen who believes in the constitution and laws of our great country. I can’t help that you and your delusional friends don’t like that Obama is POTUS, but he was duly elected as our president and I’m going to support him like I do any other president. People like you, who want to destroy our constitution are the enemy, and I will defend it against you.


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

Actually, I’m you worst enemy Red, a private citizen who believes in the constitution and laws of our great country. I can’t help that you and your delusional friends don’t like that Obama is POTUS, but he was duly elected as our president and I’m going to support him like I do any other president. People like you, who want to destroy our constitution are the enemy, and I will defend it against you.


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

Actually, I’m you worst enemy Red, a private citizen who believes in the constitution and laws of our great country. I can’t help that you and your delusional friends don’t like that Obama is POTUS, but he was duly elected as our president and I’m going to support him like I do any other president. People like you, who want to destroy our constitution are the enemy, and I will defend it against you.


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

Now Joking, the best way to handle AXJ is to stay away from clicking on his links…they're nothing more than rantings of a deranged lunatic. He's never had anything of any substance, just his twisted imagination and logic. The best way to handle? No clicks. Besides, after watching his latest attempt, your IQ probably went down 3 points.


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

Another article…looks like we'll have a decision by Wednesday afternoon.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/83990…

But, here's the really fun part..

“Rhodes, who was not in uniform but was accompanied by a military escort from Fort Benning, declined to answer questions after the hearing.”

The military felt it was necessary to make sure she got back to base after she lost the case. They must know more about this coward than they've let on.


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

A few thoughts…
1) Shouldn't all military personnel appearing in court be wearing a military uniform?
2) Doesn't the military provide a legal avenue for conscientious objectors?
3) Why the military escort?
4) Why is she keeping her mouth shut?
5) Can the military affect her ability to practice medicine after she's done? Could they charge her with something that would be cause to take away her license?

I have a feeling that the military is getting tired of this BS and is awaiting Wednesday's ruling to throw the book at her. She's not in uniform and under guard, that doesn't look good for her at all. I doubt she goes to Iraq now, probably a military court. I could be wrong, but this nonsense cost Stefan Cook (I won't use his rank, I don't think he has it anymore) his military career, his job, and his family. She could be staring at a dishonorable discharge and a very large bill from Uncle Sam.


AXJ Member
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

Don't agree. Fact that Judge asked her those questions point blank means business. This Judge is not going to fool around. Probably already ordered discovery and OBAMA'S 1964 BIRTH CERTIFICATE is on the way to him right now. OBAMA knows he was not vorn in Hawii same as his sister Maya that was born in Indonesia and yet has a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth. Everybody knows this. Guess he is out in less than 30 days…

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2473

“The evidence is just overwhelming according to AXJ”


AXJ Member
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

Don't agree. Fact that Judge asked her those questions point blank means business. This Judge is not going to fool around. Probably already ordered discovery and OBAMA'S 1964 BIRTH CERTIFICATE is on the way to him right now. OBAMA knows he was not vorn in Hawii same as his sister Maya that was born in Indonesia and yet has a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth. Everybody knows this. Guess he is out in less than 30 days…

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2473

“The evidence is just overwhelming according to AXJ”


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Dream on again, AXJ. This is going to be thrown out before it ever gets to discovery. However, keep you delusions flowing, at least they're entertaining. If you had any understanding of the law and what those questions were directed about, you'd understand that. But, after reading some of the junk you've been spouting, I understand why you'd believe that.


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

I think Aerosmith was singing about you, AXJ…DREAM ON! If you had any understanding of the law, you'd know why those questions were asked and what the reason is that her answers give for throwing her case out. She made her own noose, the judge just let her keep tightening it around her own throat. At some point, AXJ, you should really get a better understanding of our laws, it would help you not look so foolish every time you post.


AXJ IS RIGHT?
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

So let's get this straight AXJ, you have a guy swearing in Court with a Document that is supposedly Obama's birth certificate in Kenya and no one, not one witness saying he was born in Hawaii? doesn't look good for Obama.


RedGraham
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

Duly elected like Castro, Chavez & that guy in Iran.


you must be joking
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Evidently the judge determined she did not have an objection to being deployed, she only objected because she has jumped on the birther bandwagon and says he isn't the lawful president. Since she doesn't object to being deployed she does not qualify for conscientous objector. Because the president is the president unless and until PROVEN otherwise, she can not claim CO status. She either deploys or risks facing charges. You can't use that as an excuse


you must be joking
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

I was watching the “interview” she did on MSM, I think it was ABC. The voice could drive a person batty. I hope she never tries to do criminal defense, her voice would cause a jury to convict the pope. What an annoying voice she has. She gets hysterical and has yet to make any kind of sense in any of the interviews I have heard. I didn't click on the ajax or whatever links but once. I do not feel the need to punish myself listening to that crazy woman and her grating voice ever again. The only time I might is to watch the judge give her a scathing rebuke for her frivolous lawsuits and fraudulent “evidence”. That I think I might pay to watch.


Jim
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Wonder if a Judge has ever got a standing ovation for berating a lawyer?


Shariys
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 12:55 am

Oh, so now WND is saying the latest Kenyan birth certificate is a forgery because they've already “reported” on an “authentic” one that has been proven FAKE? Let's not take WND's favorite Kenyan birth certificate away from them now!

Lucas Smith has numerous convictions for forgery. Nuff said. Birther wackjobs, rave on …


AXJ member
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 5:18 am

Don't think a nut would risk going to jail for forgery. As a matter of fact the Judge wanted him to declare while the US Attorney got scared. What are they scared of? The Truth?


AXJ member
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 6:15 am

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2477

JUDGE CARTER ORDERS FULL DISCOVERY PER RULE 26(a) FRCP


Anonymous
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

If being a natural born citizen requires being born of parents who are US citizens, then 6 other prior presidents were frauds –

Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) was born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.


Shariys
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 12:17 pm

You're getting too much of your info from WND and the rest of these wacko birther websites. People like Taitz are so fanatical that they don't CARE about charges of forgery. We already know the truth – and it's NOT the “truth” the birther cult wants everyone to swallow. We're supposed to believe the latest “birth certificate” is genuine – submitted by someone with multiple convictions for forgery – just like the previous “birth certificate” was genuine – forged from an Australian birth certificate.

Obama's REAL birth certificate is a matter of public record – but the birthers will NEVER, NEVER let go of their fairy tales.


Jim
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

Well, looks like our friendly nutcase lawyer may have gone too far this time…

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/williams/09…

Suborning perjury by an officer of the court…this is the person you think is going to get you blowers what you want? Wait a minute, what am I talking about? Blowers don't believe in truth, the law, or even the constitution…they're probably cheering her for trying.


Judge to crazy birther lady: ‘go away’ : The Reid Report
Pingback posted September 16, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

[...] judge has warned Orly Taitz, the wacky Israeli with the Internet law degree who keeps getting tricked by phony Obama “Kenyan” birth certificates: one more time and you’re toast. From [...]


Jim
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Another blower lawsuit goes down in flames…

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/breaking_ne…

As I told you AXJ, no chance. This idiot even gets the honor of paying the defense's legal bills. Now you can go back into your hole and rant and rave about another delusion that exists only in your mind.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

It's just too bad that this won't stop Taitz and the delusional moonbat retards that follow her. She's apparently too stupid to realize that she's about to get disbarred any day now. She may as well cut to the chase now and put her “law degree” back inside the vending machine that it came from.

Stupid, stupid birfers…how will you entertain us next?


Jim
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

Actuall, Steve_X, the judge basically told her he didn't want to see her again. She files another frivolous lawsuit in his court, she's going to face sanctions. That cuts one more court out of the places she can go. Won't be long before the California court cuts her off.


Jim
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Here's the decision…

http://ia311028.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.usco…

I like the part where he compares Orly's rants with Alice in Wonderland.


AXJ LOVER
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

Guess all these that have opposed Orly Taitz are just “Sour Grapes” according to AXJ…

Even Lawrence Sinclair has stepped up to the plate:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2478

And he claims he doens't even know why ORLY contacted him? And he is writing a book…


Jim
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

AXJ…Now will you believe me when I say they've got no chance? Now will you believe me when I say they've got no case? I'm not even a lawyer, and I could see how frivolous the whole thing is. A lawyer would tear Orly a new one if he ever got her into court. But, it will never get to court because…YOU GOT NO CASE!!! Simple as that. Now, back to your regularly scheduled delusional rantings.


Jim
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Hi, AXJ, nice of you to call yourself a lover so that you can get more clicks. Not going to work, sorry. No one wants to listen to your delusional rantings…especially when we have Judge Land's opinion to keep us laughing at you blowers for the few days.


factsmatter
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Judge Land's deliberately shallow conclusions regarding the facts will not stand.

Obama's status as a citizen of Great Britain at birth, his later acquisition of Indonesian citizenship and lack of evidence that Obama has properly immigrated to the USA are easy to see. US citizens who are legal immigrant or who at any time have had split allegiances as Obama did at birth are by definition not natural born citizens of the USA.

Those who force the silence in the news media and the suppression of the US Constitution will be exposed and disarmed.

Defendant Obama is now under court order to furnish all elements demanded in Orly Taitz's Motion for Discovery.


Jim
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Well, facts, again you show how totally idiotic you are. Let me ask you, if you won't accept the conclusion of the courts, congress, the state of Hawaii, or the american people, who are you going to get to do anything about your delusions? You can't go to court, they demand evidence. You can't go to congress, they aren't going to stick their necks out for you crazies. And, you can't even go to the military, they obey the legal POTUS as their CIC! You got nothing, you get nothing. You can't even go to the SCOTUS, since they've already accepted and swore in Obama. So, keep ranting, and keep you delusions, we'll just support our president as good american citizens.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Those who force the silence in the news media and the suppression of the US Constitution will be exposed and disarmed.
======================================================================

And those who repeatedly make up stupid about the law (because they're too stupid to understand the ones that have already been written) will be ridiculed as idiots and treated as such.

Now run along, retard. The short bus is about to leave without you…and dammit, don't forget your helmet this time!


Steve_X
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

It's pretty sad that AJX keeps posting under different screen names, expecting us not to notice…especially when he keeps spamming the board with links to his stupid website.

As much fun as it is to make fun of birfers, I wish they wouldn't make it so easy for me.


RedGraham
Comment posted September 16, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Actually he was born to an underage woman who did not meet the residency requirement at that time and to a Kenyan-Brit which could have made him a dual-citizen except Britain did not recognize dual-citizenship. Hence whether born in Hawaii, or more likely Kenya, the man Obama was born a Brit before he was adopted as Indonesian Barry Soetoro. You anti-bithers keep adhereing to that fraudulent computer image of a Hawai Certification of Live Birth & I'll keep repeating that the man is not eligible to be prez. So lets just agree to disagree until the truth finally comes out.


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 12:45 am

And when will that be? Seriously…at what point in the legal process will you say, “OK, the courts have ruled, and here is the truth.”? — What I'm asking is, is there a point at which you will admit you were wrong? And if so, can you give us some idea of when that will be? Just so we know when you plan on shutting up.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 4:39 am

Judge Land's deliberately shallow conclusions regarding the facts will not stand.

Obama's status as a citizen of Great Britain at birth, his later acquisition of Indonesian citizenship and lack of evidence that Obama has properly immigrated to the USA are easy to see. US citizens who are legal immigrant or who at any time have had split allegiances as Obama did at birth are by definition not natural born citizens of the USA.

Those who force the silence in the news media and the suppression of the US Constitution will be exposed and disarmed.

Defendant Obama is now under court order to furnish all elements demanded in Orly Taitz's Motion for Discovery.


Jim
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Hi AXJ, nice to see you still have not clue. Let me ask you a straight up and honest question. Do you really believe all that you are spouting? The pub party has an endless supply of money and some of the best legal minds in the country, don't you think they'd have already checked and double-checked all the garbage that you've been spouting? Don't you think that if there was even a sliver of a chance that what you say is true, they wouldn't have been all over it? It's not like any of it was a secret…Obama told the world about his father, his travels, etc in his books. Or, are you saying the republicans wanted to lose the white house to a foreigner? Or, and this is really reaching even for you AXJ, do you believe the republicans were in on the conspiracy with the democrats to go against their base and turn the country over to a foreigner?


you must be joking
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 6:16 am

His mother was a citizen of the United States, no matter her age, she was married according to the laws of the United States, whether you consider her married or not, and our president was born in the United States, our 50th state. What may or may not have happened while our president was a child is irrelevant as ones parents cannot sign away ones citizenship. The president did not, after reaching a majority age, give up his citizenship in the United States nor declare a dual citizenship. As such, due to his birth in our 50th state, he is a natural born citizen and therefore fully eligible to serve us as our 44th president. No matter what kind of argument you try to put forth, the president is our legal, duly elected president. Period. The end.


you must be joking
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 6:24 am

I think the main reason some people said McCain was not a citizen was because he was born off the base where his father was stationed and not in the base hospital, but in a Panamanian hospital. Because his birth was not on so-called “American” soil by being off the American controled base, some people thought that might make him ineligible. Which is why the hearing ws held and he was declared natural born.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

http://nationalwriterssyndicate.com/content/vie…

BREAKING: Georgia, US Federal Judge Clay Land Shreds US Constitution PDF Print E-mail
Written by Administrator

by Barry Weinstein

Show us your Birth Certificate B. Hussein O. – Case Dismissed! The Orly Taitz – Flight Surgeon, Capt. Connie Rhodes case vs. the Kenyan born, …

… dictator wannabe, now sitting and scheming in the White House.

The man Clay Land, is now and forever hereafter, shall be known for his Traitorous, cover-up, dismissal decision while he is publicly posing as an impartial Federal Judge in the, Orly Taitz – Flight Surgeon Capt. Connie Rhodes case.

Clay Land, violated his Oath of office today when he denied the Plaintiff Rhodes and her Attorney Taitz both substantive and procedural due process, denied discovery, denied Rhodes a jury trial, equal protection, access to the Courts and more than likely is biased in favor of the government corruption that permeates the federal public servants in positions of public trust.

Further, Clay Land made overt threats directed towards Taitz, essentially terminating any and all the US military personal from accessing the Federal Article III Sec. 1 (which is a statutory court – it is not an Article III Sec 2 constitutional common law court – as there is only 1 and that is the SCOTUS) Congressionally established and thus 'Judge' Clay Land is beholding to its creator, the congress, not the US Constitution.

'Judge' Land effectively treated matter as if he were in fact deciding the fate
of a mere bail of cotton involved in a minor dispute.

'Judge' Land is digrace to the concept of Justice.

'Judge' Land is, as of this decision, nothing less than a Human Rights Criminal masquerading as a federal judge.

It is time to take this matter to the Appellate Court and demand Due Process for this courageous American Soldier.


Jim
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Well, they do have the appeal avenue. Unfortunately for you, AXJ, the appeals court is still going to demand proof…and we know that Orly and the rest of you have absolutely nothing except your stupid rants, forged documents, crazy theories and total disrespect for the constitution and laws of our great country. And further more, as you keep going on and on and insult the judges, as Orly is doing, who are you going to turn to? Courts really don't like foul-mouthed losers call them traitors and losers…so that will just end up costing you more in the long run. Keep ranting, AXJ, the courts won't allow that as evidence, and it just proves how little you really have.


Jim
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Well I'll be darned, factsmatter and AXJ are the same person. Either that or they're both getting their talking points from the same delusional sites. They've posted the exact same thing here. Guess it shows how few birthers there really are…and how little they truly know.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

I can tell that whoever wrote this piece of shit has no idea what he's talking about. The fact that you even bothered to post it shows that you are at least as clueless as the author is.


you must be joking
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 12:45 am

You are so full of it and must not be able to read and comprehend. If you could and read the actual ruling, you would see how the judge came to his very reasonable conclusions as he sited case law and precedents at every turn. Just because the outcome wasn't what old Oily Tates wanted to have happen, doesn't mean the judge wasn't following the constitution. His decision was easy to read and understand as to why he reached the decisions he did. He sites the cases, which you could look up if you need some more help in understanding, and gave very through responses to the “claims”. I found it to also be entertaining as well as informative.


you must be joking
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 1:24 am

It is time to take this matter to the Appellate Court and demand Due Process for this courageous American Soldier.
***************************************************************************************************************
This “courageous American solider” doesn't want to be sent to Iraq. She says she doesn't object to serving, she just doesn't want to do it there. I wonder how many of our service men and women didn't want to go, but they did it as their duty and what they agreed to do when they signed up. This woman is a doctor because we taxpayers picked up the tab for her to be a doctor. We should be able to expect she will do what she is ordered to do in return. However she feels about the president is not really the reason she doesn't want to go because he is still the Comander in Chief, no matter where she is serving. She just doesn't want to go where theres shooting going on. So before you start demanding due process for this woman, think about all the wounded soldiers that need her expertise where they are wounded, in Iraq. All of those who left behind husbands and wives, moms and dads, children, boyfriends and girlfriends but went anyway because they signed up for it and our country asked it of them. All of them who need to know the medical personel we paid to be turned into doctors will be there to patch them up and save their lives until they can get to better medical facilities. That's who she is turning her back on. The wounded men and women who didn't protest serving their country. No matter what. She gets no sympathy from me on this. She needs to do her duty like she promised when she signed up to take our money in order to become a doctor.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 7:46 am

Hugo Chavez, another “duly elected” president.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 3:16 am

Correct about age and citizenship for his mother. Correct on what happened as a child. Correct about what happened after he reached majority (as far as I can discover) He is eligible to be elected President, and he was elected President.
Small disagreement. Obama's father already had a living legal wife at the time that he was with Obama's mother, which gets in the way of a legal marrriage. The consequence of that item is that Obama was born to an unmarried American citizen and Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1409] applies. Which means he could have been born anywhere in the world and still be a U.S. natural born citizen.


Jim
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 3:53 am

Still a natural born american citizen, though. I can't believe that these blowers still follow Orly's wagon like dogs chasing a b in heat. Readin, ritin, and rithmatic definitely aren't her strong point. Blowers must prefer BS and outlandish looks.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 4:35 am

Do you suppose that their handler wants Pelosi as President, or do you think he works for Hugo Chevez and wants to torpedo America.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 6:28 am

To those who claim that citizenship in the United States is passed via the father, I call “bunk”.

Prior to 1868, a child, born in the United States, of a father who was an American citizen, was not a citizen if the mother was a Negro slave.

Citizenship in the United States has never been based solely upon the citizenship of the father,


RedGraham
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 7:48 am

The transcript from the Captain Rhoades case reveals the judge based his decision on the following:
1-The complainant stated she would deploy if Bush was still president as she had no doubts about his eligibility. Therefore if the ruling was in the captain's favor many other servicemembers would seek to avoid deployment thereby undermining “military operations”.
2-The Kenyan Birth Certificates in question were produced “for profit” so they could be fake (like Obama's COLB isn't).
3-”For the public good” since the 2008 election had such a large turnout and Obama had the most “expensive campaign” in history.
A news report interpretted this as “frivolous” and the judge on the California supreme court warned “never to waste the court's time” with another suit alleging Obama's ineligibility.
It saddens me so many don't even want to know the truth & ridicule those who do


Jim
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 1:19 pm

Really, Red, before you spout off, you should really have at least a minimal understanding of the law. I could tear down each of your frivolous arguments, like Judge Land, but it would be a waste of time. You see, I know you don't care about the law or the constitution, so why would I worry about it. Pick on Judge Land all you want, you're also ignoring that this was dismissed in Texas. 2 separate courts came to the same conclusion. And, as you keep trying to prove your point by blaming the messenger (Judges) you keep cutting off avenues to take your delusions. Soon, no court will give you the time of day, they'll just start dismissing as frivolous…because they are.


Jim
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Well, Orly's been denied and sanctioned $10,000…pending appeal.

http://ia311029.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.usco…

Now off to California.


CaptPoop
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

You're assuming the OP knows how to read. I can assure you that with the stupidity he/she already posted that looking up legal precident will be too difficult for them. Especially if what is written in Wikipedia is incorrect on the subject.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

It saddens me that so many refuse to recognize that the truth has been out there for the past year, instead choosing to believe in conspiracy theories and nonsense that can never be proven because it didn't happen. Ridiculing those people helps me cope.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

Steve, very simply because AXJ-Hawaii has recovered documentation from the 1964 Divorce that is authentic and true and proves OBAMA was not born in the USA but outside the USA because his supposed mother Stanley Ann Dunham was not physically in Hawaii and no hospital nor physician in Hawaii has come forward to prove otherwise. If you would only bother to see the facts you would change your mind but think what you want. See you in Santa Ana.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 12:59 am

None of that makes even the slightest bit of sense. The only thing that birthers will ever be able to prove is that they've filed for divorce from reality.


poppaDavid
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 1:56 am

Remember when the judge was described as a true patriot who would support Orly & AXJ's fantasy?

Well, he is more of a patriot then they thought. He actually respects the Constitution, and rule of law. And it looks like he isn't too keen on frivolous lawsuits.

Oh! How I hope Orly refuses to respond and gets slapped with contempt of court as well.


Jim
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 2:26 am

Wrong again, AXJ, there is a witness. She had a meal with the doctor who mentioned the birth of Obama. Man, how many more details can you get wrong? No wonder no one wants to go to your sites and read that terribly written fiction.


applecrispbetty
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

For you math buffs, {stupid} U {racist} = {birther}.
Enuf said.


you must be joking
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 4:58 am

The birth was 48 years ago. How many folks that were working in the hospital at that time do you think are around? And since most hospitals and doctors deliver lots of babies and 48 years ago I doubt they had an inkling that this particular baby would grow up to be president, why would they remember that particular birth? What is it you expect? A mother who had a child born at the same day/ same hospital had the newspapers birth notices she had cut out and put in her childs babybook that listed the birth of a son to Barack and Stanley Ann Obama. That has been in her childs babybook for the last 47+ years when she brought it out last year. But you don't care about all that evidence. You don't want to believe the black man is the President of the United States so you have to try and convince yourself that he must not be eligible. Sorry Charlie, you got it wrong. I am so tired of all you “birthers” who just don't want to accept reality. And following that insane woman whose has the MOST irritating voice is likely to get you in trouble or locked up in the loony bin. She has told people to take up arms against the government and the sitting president. Thats called sedition and it happens to be an illegal act. Are you sure thats the “star” you want to hitch your wagon to? Your so-called attorney idol will end up losing her license to practice if she keeps up this filing of frivolous lawsuits. And in case you haven't done so lately, try getting a copy of your birth certificate. I did because I had misplaced mine and lo and behold, the one I recieved is very much like the one posted on line for the president, different state. I guess a lot of states have changed to this model that happens to be legally acceptable to the governmental agencies that require you to show a birth certificate. You don't get a so called “long form” now days, you get what the president has posted. Do some real research for a change because Barack H. Obama is our legal president. Not only was he elected by a true majority of the people he also garnered the most electoral college votes and was duly sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court- twice. And he was born in the United States to a citizen.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 5:11 am

REFERRAL ORDER GIVES RISE TO SPECULATION THAT EXPEDITED DISCOVERY IS TO COMMENCE

Yes he does and precisely he understands the severity of this matter.

The American People created this great country and constitution and if a small conspiracy has banded together to try to overthrow it they will be arrested and accused of committing treason against the American People.

If OBAMA has a legitimate birth certificate proving he was born in the USA he has nothing to worry about, but if on the other hand, it is true that the 1964 documents prove he was not born in the USA he will immediately be arrested without any type of warning.

In that Court Room that Judge represents the American People and the Constitution so we are all waiting.

The Judge has already hinted he will hear the case in open Court and try it on the merits since there is enough prima facie evidence to justify a trial by jury.

There is absolutely no reason in the world why a President would issue an Executive Order to seal his documents when the American People and not him decide what documentation they require.

It is probably going to get very nasty on October 5, 2009 and the American People must begin letting this honorable Judge know how they really feel about this matter.

He can be contacted as follows:

U.S. Federal District Judge David Carter (Central District of California, Southern Division
http://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/
Address:
411 West Fourth Street, Room 1053
Santa Ana, CA 92701-4516
Phone:
(714) 338-4750

Hours:
10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, excluding court-observed holidays.

Judge Carter orders Motion for Rogatory Discovery to be heard

September 11, 2009 by John Charlton
REFERRAL ORDER GIVES RISE TO SPECULATION THAT EXPEDITED DISCOVERY IS TO COMMENCE

by John Charlton

(Sept. 11, 2009) — Yesterday U.S. Federal District Judge David Carter (Central District of California, Southern Division) ordered the Amended Motion for expedited Rogatory Discovery, filed by Attorney Taitz in the action Captain Pamela Barnett et al. vs. Obama et al. referred to Magistrate Judge Arthur Nakazato. This order followed Carter’s denial of Taitz’ request to remove Judge Nakazato from his role overseeing admission of evidence to the case, which duty he has according to Federal Court rules of procedure. Judge Nakazato is now to review the first Kenyan Birth Certificate.

Attorney Taitz had submitted in July a Kenyan Birth Certificate (hereafter the Lavendar Document) to be authenticated by means of a mandamus to Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, to move her to formally request the Kenyan Government to authenticate the document. This motion was denied by Judge Nakazato, whereupon Taitz filed a motion refusing to proceed before him, and a subsequent amendment to the initial Rogatory motion, on Aug. 20th.

Attorney’s for Barack Hussein Obama, led by Mr. George S. Cardona, acting U.S. Attorney, almost immediately replied to Carter’s order, with an ex-parte Application (accompanied by a proposed order), requesting immediate halt to any discovery which might be granted by the Magistrate Judge.

In this Ex-parte Application, Cardona requests,

an Order staying all discovery in this matter pending the Court’s ruling upon Defendent’s motion to Dismiss, currently set for hearing on October 5, 2009, with the exception of discovery which Plaintiffs can demonstrate, to the satisfaction of the Court, that they need in order to counter (this) said motion.

The substance of Cardona’s application is that it would violate procedures to allow any notable discovery, before Judge Carter considers the Defendent’s Motion to Dismiss, filed on Sept. 4, 2009 (editorialized by The Post & Email, on Wednesday).

At present it seems unclear, what the Defense in this case would fear from discovery resulting from what many Obama supporters have claimed is a forgery (based on a Bomford Birth Certificate, from South Australia, distributed by Bomford.net, an online geneological site); since, if the Lavender Document is a forgery, discovery should confirm this. Contrariwise, if the discovery would result in showing that Obama was in fact born in Mombasa, as the document purports, it is not clear why the U.S. Attorney Generals would oppose the divulging of information which would confirm the crime of the usurpation of the highest office of the land, by Barack Obama.

RUMOURS THAT CARTER HAS ORDERED EXPEDITED DISCOVERY ARE AMISS

This morning, Internet sites like Resistnet and Citizen Wells Blog are rife with rumours that Judge David Carter has granted expedited discovery in the action Barnett vs. Obama, in Santa Ana Federal Court.

The Post & Email can confirm from first hand soruces, that these rumors were based on the Referral order Carter issued yesterday and the previous court instruction regarding preparation for discovery, which should take place before the hearing on October 5th. This seems coherent with Judge Carter’s previous public statements, that procedures will be followed in the main case; which procedures did not call for expedited discovery at this time. Thus, The Post & Email can confirm that no expedited discovery has been granted in the principle action. The current dispute and ex-parte Application regard only the so-called Lavendar Document. Whether Judge Natazako will also review the Lucas Document is unclear at this time.

Posted in Internet, Law Cases, Politics | Tagged Attorney George Cardona, Captain Pamela Barnett vs Obama, Dr. Orly Taitz, Judge David O. Carter, Judge Nakazato, Lucas Daniel Smith, Lucas Document | 7 Comments

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/j…

ronaldlupe wrote:
He also has a very impressive judicial career..
_________________
Orange County's best criminal attorneys


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 5:16 am

You must be another joker. Hard cold facts. Stanley Ann Dunham was in Seattle not HAWAII in August of 1961. Not one hospital or physician has come forward to testify that OBAMA was born in Hawaii. It permitted anyone to register a baby as a citizen within a year no matter where he was born…ie Kenya or Indonesia. But that is not the kicker, p. 11 of the 1964 divorce is the kicker. Read it. AXJ-HAWAII has just published it. Just google it.


Randi
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 7:17 am

This may surprise you, but Seattle is within the United States. If Stanley Ann Dunham was there in August, the birth was within the US and Obama was a US citizen at birth.


Randi
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 7:35 am

In the begining Haile Sallasie ordered that all Africans return to their homes for registration. Barack Obama Sr journeyed to Kenya together with his wife Stanley, who was with child.
They took lodging in Mombassa because there was no room for them on the returning flight. And lo, the time for her deliverance came, and the child was born in Coast hospital and relatives who were nearby came to see the child. A Star-Bulletin announced the birth to wise men from Honolulu.
Word came to the mother that the child was not welcome in Hawaii, so she went to Seattle, so that the child would be called a “satellite”. When the child had grown then the mother took the child to Indonesia to a madrassa where he impressed the teachers of Islamic law. That was done so that the child could be called a “mud wrestler”.
Oops, wrong fairy tail. At least AXJ will believe it.


Randi
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 7:47 am

A Better Story:
Once upon a time a teenage girl let her hormones get her into trouble with an older married man. For religious reasons she didn't get an abortion, but married the father to provide the baby a name. Because society frowned on interracial sex, she had the baby in a home birth. The county caused the birth to be announced in local papers. Embarrassed by the publicity, she took the child and hid in Seattle.
After the father moved away, she returned home. Later when the couple were involved in a divorce, the father petitioned the Kenya government to issue a Kenyan Birth Certificate to assist his divorce proceedings.
The father lost the court battle and the mother tried to protect her child from the truth by telling him that he was born in a hospital and had a father like other children.
The End.


you must be joking
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:15 am

If I were so inclined, I could create a document utilizing my computer, scanner and several of the software programs I have available that could then be presented as a birth certificate or divorce decree or any number of other legitimate looking documents. People purchase false documents all the time and many of them pass muster. People can make counterfeit money that gets by banks. Posting a supposed decree online from a site that hates the president, by people involved with people who have already tried to pass off forged documents off as the real thing, gives me absolutely no confidence that any purported “real” document is indeed real. The state of Hawaii has verified the information they have registered in their official files say the president was born in Hawaii at a Hawaiian hospital. They have stated time and time again, there is no doubt he was born there. They have also stated if one gets a birth certificate for a baby not born there, it clearly states where the baby was born. You cannot get a birth certificate for a baby born in a foriegn country that says said baby was born in Hawaii. Just doesn't happen that way. The presidents birth info is all as it should be and as has been stated over and over and over and over ad nausem. Just because someone else has “found” some other “real document” doesn't mean it's real. The president wrote his books some time before he ever considered running for his current office and has stated many of his life facts there. People that have known him since he was a child have talked about him then, the republican governor of Hawaii has stated moe than once that he is a citizen, born in Hawaii. Do you really think that a 48+ year conspriacy has been perpetrated to put a non-citizen president in office? Why would anyone do that when it would be so much easier to just have a child born in the US who would then be eligible? Of course being born to an American citizen already gives you citizenship so it is all rather a waste of time and frankly, a waste of our court system's time and money which is paid by taxpayers, so I'm really fed up with a bunch of racist fools wasting money I help pay. Your stupid farfetched bull puckey is costing us money. In these days of unpaid furloughs, reduced services, layoffs and general pain for millions, you are taking valuable time and money away from where it is really needed with foolish lies, untruths and forgeries. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for perpetrating this fraud upon the American people. Because you and those like you are the ones who are trying to disregard our Constitution and deny the people their duly elected president through the lies and fraudulent documents you keep trying to put over as real against the best interests of the Americn people. The best interests are to allow our duly elected citizen president to do his duty, the members of the Justice department who are required to defend the United States and the President of the United States to do the real work they need to attend to and quit farting around with this foolishness. I will indeed be sending correspondence to the court and asking him to please put an end to this foolishness once and for all- by jailing that lying “attorney” if need be, bringing her up on charges of sedition for trying to tell people to raise armed warfare against our government and president. (It's on a video clip. Perhaps someone should tell the fool that it is a mistake to urge something illegal on video. Oh, nevermind, I would rather she gets in trouble for it.) Perhaps she should be sent back to where ever she came from. Perhaps she would find it more to her liking?


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Here is reality in Hawaii. Now deny it. AXJ-HAWAII is just about to publish the documents:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2548


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

And to prove she did have a child she had to present the original true Kenyan birth certificate p.11 to the Judge in Hawaii and of which AXJ-HAWAII has the only copy and will present it to Orly Taitz during discovery…should be fun.


you must be joking
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

OK, so I went and looked at your “evidence”. A picture of a document, an application for a birth certificate for a man who appears to be a Hawaiian or perhaps asian or both. (from the name) I assume you noticed the top of the document? Where it says the TERRITORY OF HAWAII??? Before Hawaii was made a state? (Which it was at the time of the presidents birth!) Did you also happen to look at the date of birth for the gentleman pictured? In the 1870's?? That the application is made in 1904? That he was born in the Hawaiian Islands? Not uncommon for home births to occur in those days. The man was applying for a certificate to which he was entitled because he was born there. Surely this can't be “evidence” that crazy woman who calls herself an attorney is going to present to a judge? She will be laughed out of court.

As to the presidential order that is posted, it has nothing to do with pre-presidential documents. It is speciffically refering to PRESIDENTIAL papers, i.e. papers that are from a presidential term. This is for papers created during a presidents term in office. In reality, he was doing George Bush and even Cheney a favor. This order has nothing to do with the presidents records before he became president. It is only about records of every president after the end of their term. It mentions an incumbent president because if a president is re-elected, his first term ends when his second begins. It would not be in the best interest of an administration or the country to have presidential papers released during a second term of the same president. If you are unable to comprehend what you are reading, I suggest a remedial class. They are frequently available with adult ed classed in most communites. They are usually low cost or free and most have them days and evenings. And if your attorney hero Oily Tait is unable to understand what the document is for and will try to use that as part of her “proof” then I would suggest she attend class with you. I understand she is not a natural born citizen, who could be with that accent, but if that is her level of comprehension I can see why she is such a poor attorney. What is posted is a big fact zero of proof that the president would have had anything other than a regular State of Hawaii birth certificate. But please, sign up for those classes soon. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.


OGUM
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

That fake “certificate” Josh Gerstein and communist deflected Orly Tait submitted is a HOAX! The supposed middle name of President Obama's father is FAKE! It said KWAME. Meanwhile, this name “KWAME”, is NEVER given to any child in Africa EXCEPT Ghana! Kwame, is a name given to male-child in Ghana ( and NEVER KENYA) born on a Saturday! So to put it short, its a fu*cking criminal FAKE “certificate”. Now, go get some cold beer, buddies :-)


randi
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 12:29 am

To prove that she had a child, she would need to ask the Hawaiian records department for a copy of the Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth. They have it on file.

Only her ex- would benefit from a Kenyan BC, and he may have had one forged for his needs. Of course, the question is, what chain of ownership is there between 1964 and 2008? Without a chain, there is no proof that it was ever issued, rather it was created in 2008


chrisjay
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 4:01 am

Well, I beg to differ. I don't see any trace of the Judge 'threatening' Taitz as AXJ claims. I do see the Judge MOCKING Taitz pretty comprehensively, and let's face it: Birfers are imminently mockable. I think its perfectly harmless for tinfoil hat clubs to meet amongst themselves and bask in the mutual validation that can be so comforting to the misunderstood, who are typically socially-challenged and often feel isolated. The problem comes when these maladjusted, schizoid individuals become emboldened to foist their delusions on the outside world. It is not healthy to encourage these delusions, because this can cause the downward spiral of anti-social behavior to accelerate to the point where institutionalization may become inevitable.


Anteni
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 8:00 am

AXJ, you must be joking. When people arguments are disjoint, then the only conclusion is that there is no argument.

The comment “Stanley Ann Dunham was in Seattle not HAWAII in August of 1961″ is a perfect example of this. Here it is easy to conclude that the birth was in Seattle, thus the child was born on US soil.

Stop making things up. When you present something that is false, honest people believe that everything you say is false.


Anteni
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 8:04 am

Further down the hole of deception.


Anteni
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 8:21 am

My mother once taught me the phrase “what a tangled web we make when first learn to deceive.” Of course there is a lack of evidence that Obama has immigrated to the USA. The reason of the lack of evidence is that all the evidence points to that he is a natural born citizen of the USA.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 8:22 am

HAWAII NOTORIOUS FOR FALSIFYING BIRTH CERTIFICATES

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2548


Anteni
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 8:33 am

factsmatter why bother copy and paste AXJ ROCKS comments. It is doubtful that someone could actually time the exact same worlds using the same cases. For once produce your own original thought. It is very amusing when it is obvious that you “factsmatter” are more interesting is spreading falsities that accepting the truth.


Anteni
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 8:46 am

AXJ is just a front for the birther movement. However, it is quite funny that AXJ LOVER writes “Guess all these that have opposed Orly Taitz are just 'Sour Grapes' according to AXJ.” This comment is just logically disjoint. Isn't “sour grapes” just jealousy. Honestly, no sane person is jealous of Orly Taitz. Remember, it was Taitz's case that was call frivolous. For those outside the birthers/AXJ movement Orly Taitz is an embarrassment.


Anteni
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 9:07 am

So that fact that AXJ continues to spread falsities, doesn't mean that everything that is said is false. However, since AXJ and birthers continue to distort the truth it is hard to believe that this specific example is genuine, and most likely another forgery.

There was a case when a person born on American soil was denied citizenry. He had fought for this within the judicial system and was later granted his citizenship. Now, if this is the case that AXJ is using to prove a point they have failed. This is akin to using a case for readdress to argue against harm has been done.


ArchPundit | Drag Queen Alleges Forgery
Pingback posted September 22, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

[...] Birther attorney Orly Taitz tells TPMmuckraker she believes a letter sent by her now ex-client renouncing Taitz — in a case alleging that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery — may itself be a forgery. It’s worth noting that Taitz submitted as evidence in the original filing in the “birther soldier” case of Army Capt. Connie Rhodes a “Kenyan birth certificate” that is itself an obvious forgery. [...]


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Of course it was all fabricated. Anything made in Hawaii is fake…just check the AXJ website…He was a foreign student at Occidental College…see the pics and the witnesses speak out…www.axjus.com


Jim
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

NOTE TO ALL: It's fine to argue with the blowers, I can promise you it's funny. Just do NOT click on any of their sites. They are trying to pawn off old worn-out forgeries and fake unprovable theories. The only thing is they are being paid by the visit, so the best way to shut them up is to not give them that money they need so desperately to keep their delusions going. That is why they keep bringing up the same tired arguments and hope they can get the next reader to click on their so-called “proof”. If they had any real proof, it wouldn't be on this board, it would be front and center on Fox News. I guess WND has a warehouse full of Anti-Obama junk to get rid of and hired these folks to get more traffic. If you like that sort of thing, I recommend going to WND and buying direct…it is still a free country, despite what these blowers say.


you must be joking
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

She also did not want to be dismissed from the military and was willing to serve elsewhere- just didn't want to go to Iraq. Some foolish thing about the Geneva Convention and being beheaded. It seems to me that I recall, sorrowfully, a captured solider while Bush was still in office being beheaded. The Geneva Convention didn't save him because if you are captured it will be by terrorists who don't give a rats behind about the Geneva Convention. Unless you argue that Bush was not a rightful president (which many of us would agree with) but she said she was willing to serve under him. So it boils down to not wanting to go to Iraq.
As to your point three- the judge said that with all the people who had an interest in the campaign- i.e. opponents- if there was any truth to the allegations made by Oily someone would have surely found that out before now. All those people who also wanted to be president would have jumped on the chance to disqualify one of their strongest opponents if there was anything to this nonsense. You cannot possibly believe the republicans or even other democrats would not have jumped on this if there was anything to find. If you think otherwise, than having been present at the birth 48 years ago in Hawaii wouldn't have convinced you of the truth.

The new information that has come out, Capt. Rhodes is distancing herself from Oily Tates anyway. Saying she did not authorize the appeal and that the supposed “attorney” said and did things she did not approve of and that she would be filing a complaint with the bar association. Looks like more than the judges are fed up with counsel for the plantiff! The greatest gift to the nation as a whole is when the bar associations all over the United States disbar this fool of a woman and keep her from wasting any more taxpayer funds that we can ill-afford these days. Every time she files another bogus complaint or appeal or any of the other ridiculous documents she files, it costs the taxpayers money. I, for one, am tired of the waste. Who do you think pays the federal judges, clerks, baliffs and the likes wages? We do. Enough already.


Anteni
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 12:20 am

There is no difference between disjoint logic and a logical fallacy when attempting to presenting an argument. There is no reason to accept anything that birthers say a being true especailly after the comment “anything made in Hawaii is fake.” It is hard to understand why someone would cast doubt about all Hawaiian, when trying to prove that one person wasn't born in that state. The implications of this lie is well beyond the intellectual scope of birthers. When one has to distort the truth to fit their argument it becomes appear that their motives are not to search for the truth be a need to be noticed.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 12:39 am

Gotta love the idiot birfers trying to pull some shit like this. 'Preciate the heads up on this. I just wonder who gave them the idea, since birfers aren't smart enough to pull it off by themselves.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 5:42 am

Apparently AXJ-HAWAII has published the amended Birth Certificate. The truth is out…

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?p=7461#7461


you must be joking
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 6:30 am

I keep hearing that because their is a 19 in the presidents birth certificate that isn't in other's, that is proof that it isn't real. People seem to forget that we are in a different century now and the century number is now needed in order to be clear about the date. If the copy of the certificate was printed after 12/31/99, it will to have the 19. In other words, because he was born in 61 but it is now 09, the century designation must be in place- i.e. 1961 and 2009. My birth certificate also has the 19 and my grandchild's has the 20. Pretty simple stuff if you employ some logic.


randi
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 6:30 am

“AXJ-HAWAII has published…”

Well, as you said a few hours ago

“Of course it was all fabricated. Anything made in Hawaii is fake…”

And as has been said, going to their web site, inflates their income. I'll stay away.


Jim Speiser
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Weave. Not make, “weave.” And its not “learn,” it's “practice.” But point taken.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Give it up the Addendum is out…OBAMA was born in Kenya and adopted by Stanley Ann's parents…everyone knows it…


RoadScholar
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

If any of you still have any doubts as to Obama's legitimacy, I have only this to say:

I've had balls of navel lint that could outsmart you.
It's amazing you can find your way out of your own house in the morning.
It is frightening that you drive a car.
No amount of chlorine could ever sanitize your gene pool.
You provide reasonable doubt as to the notion of “intelligent life on earth.”
You should be packed in bubble-wrap for your own safety and that of others.
Any bus you ride in will be seen as way too long.
You make Carrie Prejean look like Marie Curie.
You would be ineligible for the show “Are you smarter than a fifth-grader?”. . . you would have to find one called “Are you smarter than slime mold?”

As long as you claim Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, we will continue to mock you. . . just as if you contended the moon were made of green cheese.


RoadScholar
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

Doesn't your hand break out in conceptual blisters from all that mental masturbation?


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted September 23, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

Just wait till Misstickley publishes the 1961 and 64 addendum she fortunately made a copy of before the dictator sealed it…she said she will post it on AXJ…just waiting…


you must be joking
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 1:49 am

We're waiting.


randi
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 4:45 am

I was trying to find a polite way to say that. Thank you.

He must type with one hand, while the other is busy.

Oh, to quote AXJ-ROCKS
“Anything made in Hawaii is fake…just check the AXJ website…”

Cut off the advertising revenue, avoid the web site.


randi
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 5:06 am

So far, you have offered multiple conflicting lies. If even one was true, that would mean 80-90% of what you offer is pure lies. And I don't even see one that qualifies as possibly true.
Do you have any quality control over your output?

“If you don't stop doing that, you will go blind.”


RoadScholar
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

Make sure the Aliens wipe them off good before MissStickley touches them, or she may mutate into a Sasquatch! I should know: it happened to my cousin! (I think).


Anteni
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

Orly Taitz is a dictator? What does Ms. Taitz has to hide?

Wow, it seems that you guys are having a hard time making up the facts.

To be honest, nothing you says makes any sense.


Anteni
Comment posted September 24, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

Remember you said “Of course it was all fabricated. Anything made in Hawaii is fake…just check the AXJ website…” Why bother contradict yourself.


AXJ REALLY ROCKS
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 8:05 am

LETTER FROM AXJ TO JANICE OKUBO OF HAWAII HEALTH DEPARTMENT

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2589


Jim
Comment posted September 25, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Good, she'll file it right where it belongs. But, I'm not that curious what you wrote her because I know the only reason you post this garbage is to get clicks onto your site. Well, you're not going to get me or anyone else to click on it so forget it. You got nothing, you get nothing.


Jim
Comment posted September 28, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

OH MY GOD!!! HAWAII FIVE-O WAS FAKE? All those years I spent saying “Book-em Dano” was just a fake? My world just fell apart. Good thing we have the legal president in the WH else I might have to chase down all the blowers and take out my frustration on them. At least the sun still rises in the east…until a blower says it doesn't, I guess.


AXJ
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 6:39 am

Posted on | September 28, 2009 |

Orly Taitz needs your help now:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2652

Judge Carter will grant discovery.


randi
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 7:10 am

No kidding? We know that she needs help.

Take two asprin and lie on a railroad track.

Wait until I call.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 6:52 am

OK, I'm still waiting. It is now the 7th of October. The big day was supposed to be the 5th. That day has come and gone and I have heard nothing new. I thought Oily Taters was to be in court and get orders of “discovery” by now. That is what all you birthers kept saying. So what's up? Where is the big news? I'm still waiting!!!


RobertX
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 1:38 am

Yup, Orly Taitz needs help alright. Not mine; I have no psychiatric training, but she could definitely use the help of a professional.


randi
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 6:03 am

After all this time, I wonder…
If the Hawaiian BC is a fraud, how do we identify the father?
If the father had a living wife in Kenya, can the marriage be legitimate?
If the parents weren't married, how can the 1948 British Nationality Act grant citizenship.
So, should Tatz be pushing for a birth certificate and a legal marriage document?
Otherwise, the President was never a British citizen. Ever.


youmustbejoking
Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 12:52 am

Citizenship isn't gained on the basis of marital status of ones parents, but on parentage in general. I believe I recall reading somewhere that even though the presidents father was said to be married in Africa, the marriage was not done in a manner to be recognized as a valid marriage in the U.S., so therefore the marriage between the presidents parents was a valid marriage. Either way, the president is a naturally born citizen of the United States, whether his parents marriage was valid or not. The courts considered them married enough to grant his mother a divorce.


randi
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 3:59 am

I referenced the 1948 British Nationalization Act. A British subject who has a child with a non-British subject outside of the British dominion must be legally married according to the rules of his domicile (Hawaii) for the child to be a British citizen.
To be a legal Hawaiian marriage, neither person can have a living spouse, i.e. no bigamy.
Obama's father was married to his wife in Kenya, so he had a living spouse. Therefore, the marriage was a sham, i.e. illegal. Therefore, he could not pass British citizenship to Obama.
U.S. law allows a child born in the United States to be a citizen at birth, no matter who the parents are. And, U.S. law allows a child born to an unmarried American woman to be an American citizen at birth, no matter where he was born. So, under all possible options, Obama is a natural born American citizen.
Funny thing. Getting a divorce doesn't really require that you were married, only that you have a union to dissolve.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted October 15, 2009 @ 5:48 am

Party is over for OBAMA.

Obama Born In Kenya According To 2004 News Article

Apparently OBAMA supporters now have a lot of explaining to do to Judge Carter, Orly Taitz ( which is presenting it to him as we write ), and the rest of the AMERICAN PEOPLE:

http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2827

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Sunday, June 27, 2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

nh-obama.jpg (12114 bytes)
Barrack Obama

“It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race,” Ryan, 44, said in a statement. “What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play.”

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was “truly outrageous” that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

“I feel for him actually,” Obama told a Chicago TV station. “What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody.”

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

“Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state,” she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, “There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere.”

—AP


Dan
Comment posted October 29, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

“a ridiculously obvious forgery”

REALLY? How does he know? What's being presented is A HOSPITAL birth certificate, not an official “Kenyan” provincial birth certificate. If Lucas is pulling something he's pretty brave because if it's such an “obvious forgery” it'll get him a year or two in the Penitentiary. As for the location of the shooting of the vid he was trying to establish that he was in Mombasa….and he was.

We'll just have to wait until Jan 2010 to find out.


randi
Comment posted October 30, 2009 @ 12:49 am

If you are referring to the birth certificate with the pretty foot print, read the written dates associated with the signatures. What do they read? As compared to what is typed as the birth date.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted November 3, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

AXJ pics torn apart. Here is the evidence:

http://collections.alexandria.ucsb.edu/ap/index…

Apparently all Obama pics have been destroyed.


AXJ ROCKS
Comment posted November 3, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

All Obama pics of 1959-1965 era have been destroyed by US Government. Guess now we know why Stanley Dunham was really in France in October of 1944.

AXJ pics torn apart. Here is the evidence:

http://collections.alexandria.ucsb.edu/ap/index…


randi
Comment posted November 4, 2009 @ 12:56 am

You offer arial topo photos of the Los Angeles basin as evidence? Of what?

I get it! “Rocks”

AXJ made a funny.


mo
Comment posted November 12, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

you're a fucking retard u big fucktard u know that


mo
Comment posted November 12, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

what the fuck does these arial pictures prove u fucking fagot…big fucking fucktard…fucking retard….fucking moron


Birthers Lie
Comment posted November 20, 2009 @ 12:44 pm

Paul Colford, director of media relations for the Associated Press: “The AP has never reported that President Obama was born in Kenya. In fact, AP news stories about the state of Hawaii have confirmed that he was born there. The Kenyan paper that you cite rewrote a 2004 AP story, adding the phrase ‘Kenyan-born.’ That wording was not in the AP version of the story.”


jayhg
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

don't click on the site folks…….this ajx rocks person is a super nut job!!! DON'T CLICK…….he will post this 50 more times – watch.


jayhg
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

NO…DON'T CLICK ON THIS……HE IS A NUT!!!!!! Just pictures of rocks!


jayhg
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

LIE……..ajx rocks is a nut job in a straight jacket sitting at his computer telling LIES and posting pictures of rocks!!


jayhg
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

No he won't and of course, Judge Carter threw this shit out as everyone with an ounce of common sense knew he would…..now ajx rocks is sitting in his straight jack, whining and crying and telling LIES on the e-mail.


jayhg
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

I mean, telling LIES on the internet…….


jayhg
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

LIE……its a picture of some rocks!!


jayhg
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

and waiting….and waiting….and waiting….and waiting…and waiting…and waiting…and waiting…


jayhg
Comment posted December 18, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

wrong…folks, it's a picture of some rocks…….ajx has no amended birth certificate……DON'T CLICK…….ajx has rocks for brains………


jayhg
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 1:02 am

don't click on the site folks…….this ajx rocks person is a super nut job!!! DON'T CLICK…….he will post this 50 more times – watch.


jayhg
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 1:03 am

NO…DON'T CLICK ON THIS……HE IS A NUT!!!!!! Just pictures of rocks!


jayhg
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 1:04 am

LIE……..ajx rocks is a nut job in a straight jacket sitting at his computer telling LIES and posting pictures of rocks!!


jayhg
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 1:09 am

No he won't and of course, Judge Carter threw this shit out as everyone with an ounce of common sense knew he would…..now ajx rocks is sitting in his straight jack, whining and crying and telling LIES on the e-mail.


jayhg
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 1:10 am

I mean, telling LIES on the internet…….


jayhg
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 1:11 am

LIE……its a picture of some rocks!!


jayhg
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 1:12 am

and waiting….and waiting….and waiting….and waiting…and waiting…and waiting…and waiting…


jayhg
Comment posted December 19, 2009 @ 1:13 am

wrong…folks, it's a picture of some rocks…….ajx has no amended birth certificate……DON'T CLICK…….ajx has rocks for brains………


adidas originals
Comment posted June 4, 2010 @ 7:58 am

Thanks for this interesting post,i like it.


Obama Born in Kenya or Hawaii? - Page 137
Pingback posted June 16, 2010 @ 6:17 pm

[...] [...]


Event Planner Bay Area
Comment posted September 17, 2010 @ 10:01 pm

OK, so I went and looked at your “evidence”. A picture of a document, an application for a birth certificate for a man who appears to be a Hawaiian or perhaps asian or both. (from the name) I assume you noticed the top of the document? Where it says the TERRITORY OF HAWAII??? Before Hawaii was made a state? (Which it was at the time of the presidents birth!) Did you also happen to look at the date of birth for the gentleman pictured? In the 1870's?? That the application is made in 1904? That he was born in the Hawaiian Islands? Not uncommon for home births to occur in those days. The man was applying for a certificate to which he was entitled because he was born there. Surely this can't be “evidence” that crazy woman who calls herself an attorney is going to present to a judge? She will be laughed out of court.


Sally Rogers Bryan
Comment posted April 28, 2011 @ 1:50 am

are you 2 idots married, neither one of you deserve any attention of any kind. now go call donald comeover trump, i said he is an idot, and a couldnt carry president Obama’s jock strap, nor his IQ….f@.k Off!


Birther Lawsuit Witnesses: Orly Taitz Told Us To Lie | www.iflickle.com
Pingback posted May 6, 2011 @ 6:38 am

[...] more details are out, as one of the witnesses has made his affidavit public. Lucas Smith, a fellow conspiracy theorist who Taitz identified in her lawsuit as the discoverer of Obama's Kenyan birth ce…, gave his statement to the Orange County Register. Among the allegations Smith makes is that Taitz [...]


3220371
Comment posted September 5, 2011 @ 9:55 pm

3220371 beers on the wall. sck was here


Cheap Jordan shoes,Nike air max shoes,Supra Shoes,UGG Boots,CL pumps,Polo,Lacoste t-shirts,True Religion Jeans,LV,Coach handbags,brand name sunglasses,NFL,NHL,MLB,NBA Jerseys
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 1:09 am

Nice post. I was checking constantly this blog and I’m impressed! Very helpful info specifically the last part I care for such info much. I was seeking this certain information for a long time. I will keep the attention of your blog. Thank you and have a great day.


Cheap Jordan shoes,Nike air max shoes,Supra Shoes,UGG Boots,CL pumps,Polo,Lacoste t-shirts,True Religion Jeans,LV,Coach handbags,brand name sunglasses,NFL,NHL,MLB,NBA Jerseys
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 3:05 am

Great post. I was checking constantly this blog and I am impressed! Very helpful information specially the last part I care for such info a lot. I was looking for this particular information for a very long time. I will keep the attention of your blog. Thank you and have a great day.


Banks
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 4:09 am

Spot on with this write-up, I actually think this web site wants rather more consideration. I’ll most likely be again to learn rather more, thanks for that info.


hotels in west wickham
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 4:40 am

I definitely wanted to type a note to be able to thank you for those nice secrets you are posting at this website. My time-consuming internet search has at the end of the day been paid with sensible concept to write about with my company. I ‘d declare that many of us visitors actually are undeniably lucky to be in a superb network with very many marvellous individuals with great advice. I feel extremely happy to have encountered the website and look forward to some more fabulous times reading here. Thanks a lot once more for everything.


broker
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 5:19 am

Thank you for each of your efforts on this web page. Kate delights in carrying out investigations and it is simple to grasp why. A lot of people notice all regarding the dynamic method you produce vital secrets via the website and therefore attract contribution from visitors on the area so my daughter is in fact studying so much. Have fun with the remaining portion of the year. You are always performing a terrific job.


opticians orkney islands
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 6:57 am

A formidable share, I just given this onto a colleague who was doing slightly evaluation on this. And he in actual fact bought me breakfast as a result of I found it for him.. smile. So let me reword that: Thnx for the deal with! But yeah Thnkx for spending the time to debate this, I feel strongly about it and love studying extra on this topic. If possible, as you become experience, would you mind updating your blog with extra details? It is highly useful for me. Massive thumb up for this blog publish!


solicitors clackmannanshire
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 9:38 am

Thank you for each of your effort on this blog. Betty really loves getting into internet research and it’s easy to see why. We learn all about the lively way you create good techniques through the website and as well improve response from website visitors on that theme and our own girl is learning a whole lot. Have fun with the remaining portion of the new year. You’re the one carrying out a fabulous job.


free sex videos
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 9:47 am

Thanks for the sensible critique. Me & my neighbor were just preparing to do a bit research about this. We got a grab a book from our region library but I feel I learned far more from this post. I’m quite glad to see such fantastic information being shared freely out there.


cheap Moncler Vests Women
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 10:30 am

learn all about the powerful method you deliver sensible


My Site
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 11:06 am

My associate and I really enjoyed studying this weblog put up, I was simply itching to know do you trade featured posts? I’m always trying to find somebody to make trades with and merely thought I would ask.


pandoras box dicarlo
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 11:10 am

Just killing some in between class time on Digg and I discovered your article . Not usually what I favor to examine, nevertheless it was completely worth my time. Thanks.


click here
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 11:23 am

I’m delighted that I’ve observed this weblog. Lastly something not a junk, which we go through incredibly frequently. The website is lovingly serviced and saved up to date. So it must be, thank you for sharing this with us.


get more women
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 11:27 am

Congratulations on possessing certainly certainly one of one of the crucial refined blogs Ive arrive throughout in a while! Its simply wonderful how much you’ll have the ability to contemplate away from a factor basically merely because of how visually gorgeous it is. You’ve place collectively an awesome weblog web site space –nice graphics, motion pictures, layout. This is certainly a should-see web site!


tinnitus remedies
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 11:33 am

I was wondering if you ever considered changing the layout of your site? Its very well written; I love what youve got to say. But maybe you could a little more in the way of content so people could connect with it better. Youve got an awful lot of text for only having one or 2 images. Maybe you could space it out better?


How To Lose Fat
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 12:27 pm

Thanks a lot for an additional data. It isn?t simple that sort expertise reading by means of homework, i’m keeping an eye out for.


Replica Watches
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 12:28 pm

Together with Replica A.Lange & Sohnethe whole thing which seems to be building throughout this particular subject material, a significant percentage of opinions are actually somewhat stimulating. On the other hand, I beg your pardon, because I do not give credence to your whole plan, all be it refreshing none the less. It looks to everyone that your comments are not totally justified and in fact you are yourself not totally confident of your assertion. In any case I did appreciate looking at it.


download free videos
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 12:55 pm

I adore the appear of your website. I recently built mine and I was looking for some concepts for my web site and you gave me some. Could I ask you whether you developed the internet site by youself?


standing wave
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 1:19 pm

I have to show some thanks to this writer for rescuing me from such a predicament. Right after looking out throughout the world-wide-web and coming across tips which are not beneficial, I assumed my entire life was gone. Existing devoid of the answers to the issues you’ve resolved by means of your good report is a critical case, and the kind that would have in a wrong way affected my entire career if I had not discovered your blog. Your mastery and kindness in maneuvering every item was vital. I don’t know what I would’ve done if I had not discovered such a stuff like this. I can also at this moment relish my future. Thanks for your time very much for this specialized and sensible help. I will not think twice to refer the website to anyone who should receive guide about this situation.


site hoster lookup
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 1:31 pm

excellent issues altogether, you just won emblem reader. What could you suggest in regards to your submit that you just made some days ago? Any positive?


Cheap Mbt Shoes
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

The next time I read a weblog, I hope that it doesnt disappoint me as much as this one. I imply, I know it was my choice to learn, however I truly thought youd have something interesting to say. All I hear is a bunch of whining about one thing that you may fix if you happen to werent too busy on the lookout for attention.


Hcg Diet Review
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 3:25 pm

Hello,don`t forget to enhance your posts for the very best possible ranking


womens computer bag
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 4:20 pm

I am commenting to let you understand of the outstanding encounter my friend’s daughter had browsing your blog. She picked up such a lot of details, most notably what it’s like to have a very effective teaching nature to get the mediocre ones easily learn about chosen specialized subject areas. You undoubtedly surpassed people’s desires. Many thanks for giving those informative, trustworthy, informative and cool tips about that topic to Sandra.


High Class Escorts
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 4:57 pm

Thanks for sharing this details, I truly recognize the do the job and time you might have consider to compose these news. Sustain the good do the job and I might just like to say that following I arrive house from operate I seriously look forward to examining your ideas and opinions on these issues. I will be subscribing to the blog site, thanks all over again.


web design
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 6:20 pm

I am really impressed with your writing skills and also with the layout on your blog. Is this a paid theme or did you customize it yourself? Either way keep up the excellent quality writing, it’s rare to see a great blog like this one nowadays..


Buffy Crutchley
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 7:33 pm

This is the right blog for anyone who wants to find out about this topic. You realize so much its almost hard to argue with you (not that I actually would want…HaHa). You definitely put a new spin on a topic thats been written about for years. Great stuff, just great!


Muoi Kiecker
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 7:42 pm

Hello! I just would like to give a huge thumbs up for the great info you have here on this post. I will be coming back to your blog for more soon.


Nicholle Garigliano
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 7:50 pm

Nice post. I learn something more challenging on different blogs everyday. It will always be stimulating to read content from other writers and practice a little something from their store. I’d prefer to use some with the content on my blog whether you don’t mind. Natually I’ll give you a link on your web blog. Thanks for sharing.


faith
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 7:54 pm

I like the efforts you have put in this, appreciate it for all the great articles.


Carlee Agner
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 7:56 pm

You should take part in a contest for one of the best blogs on the web. I will recommend this site!


Josefa Orgain
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 7:59 pm

Aw, this was a really nice post. In idea I would like to put in writing like this additionally – taking time and actual effort to make a very good article… but what can I say… I procrastinate alot and by no means seem to get something done.


Tripson
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 9:27 pm

I think this website has got very fantastic indited subject material articles.


Replica Watches
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 10:38 pm

Just about all of whatever you state happens to be supprisingly legitimate and it makes me ponder why I had not looked at this in this light before. Your article really did switch the light on for me personally as far as this specific subject goes. Nevertheless at this time there is one point I am not necessarily too comfy with so while I attempt to reconcile that with the actual main theme of your point, let me observe just what all the rest of the readers have to say.Very well done.


Convert pdf to epub
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 10:53 pm

I like what you guys are up also. Such smart work and reporting! Carry on the excellent works guys I have incorporated you guys to my blogroll. I think it’ll improve the value of my web site :).


http://www.sellgold-online.com
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 11:03 pm

For the last 12years I have been walking to a pawn shop to sell our gold ingots and I never came out with greater than $190. Think of my happiness when I tried sellgold-online and they wrote me a wire transfer for $360 for alot moregold! That’s quadruple what the jewlery shop sent me!


celebrity
Comment posted September 6, 2011 @ 11:47 pm

Some really fantastic info , Gladiola I discovered this. “O tyrant love, to what do you not drive the hearts of men.” by Virgil.


Cheap Mbt Shoes
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 12:48 am

The next time I read a weblog, I hope that it doesnt disappoint me as a lot as this one. I mean, I know it was my choice to read, but I truly thought youd have something fascinating to say. All I hear is a bunch of whining about one thing that you can fix if you werent too busy searching for attention.


citizens of humanity
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 1:20 am

I saw a lot of website but I believe this one has got something extra in it. “Nobody got anywhere in the world by simply being content.” by Louis L’Amour.


android games
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 1:37 am

You have brought up a very excellent points , thanks for the post.


karpacz
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 6:18 am

I have already been exploring for a little for any high-quality articles or blog posts on this kind of area . Researching in Aol I at last came across this web page. Reading this info So i’m happy to convey that I have a really great uncanny feeling I discovered exactly what I needed. I most definitely will make sure to don’t forget this blog and give it a look regularly.


cheap mbt shoes
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 6:44 am

I wanted to write a brief message to be able to say thanks to you for all of the lovely tips and hints you are showing at this website. My incredibly long internet research has at the end been recognized with pleasant facts to talk about with my family and friends. I would tell you that we visitors actually are rather lucky to dwell in a remarkable site with so many perfect people with great concepts. I feel rather fortunate to have used the web pages and look forward to really more exciting times reading here. Thanks a lot once more for everything.


Remona
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 8:02 am

I’m not sure where you’re getting your information, but good topic. I needs to spend some time learning much more or understanding more. Thanks for wonderful information I was looking for this information for my mission.


flowmeter
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 10:22 am

I see something truly interesting about your website so I saved to favorites .


Chadwick Grotts
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 10:35 am

I came across your blog’s link put up by a friend of mine on Facebook. Thank you for putting useful info on the net. It’s tough to find this stuff nowadays.


unable to open connection to server
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 10:50 am

Great post, I believe blog owners should learn a lot from this web site its really user genial. So much great info on here :D.


Discount Moncler Sweater
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 11:16 am

notice all concerning the lively way you convey practical


RSS feed for comments on this post.

Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.