Climate Change Skeptics Oust Jones With ‘Green Socialist’ Attacks

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Sunday, September 06, 2009 at 4:36 pm
T. Boone Pickens and Van Jones at National Clean Energy Summit 2.0 in Las Vegas. (Getty Images)

T. Boone Pickens and Van Jones at the National Clean Energy Summit 2.0 in Las Vegas. (Getty Images)

The descent of Van Jones from a powerful job in Barack Obama’s administration to career-sinking political controversy happened at a stunning pace. On Aug. 10, the White House’s ousted special adviser for green jobs appeared at the National Clean Energy Summit 2.0 in Las Vegas, sharing a stage with Republican billionaire-turned wind power evangelist T. Boone Pickens. The next day, The Washington Post ran a warm, brief profile on Jones, calling him “a leader in a growing movement that aims to hit two major social and policy challenges — the struggling economy and environmental quality — with one boulder.” That was how the mainstream media and the business-friendly side of the environmental movement handled Jones, as a preternaturally gifted advocate for an everyone-wins green campaign.

After midnight on Sept. 6, 2009, on one of the slowest news days of the year, Jones buckled under a multi-pronged assault on his record and associations, the most damaging being his 2002 and 2004 flirtations with the so-called “9/11 Truth” movement. He resigned from his post. “Opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me,” Jones said in a statement. “They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide … [but] I cannot in good conscience ask my colleagues to expend precious time and energy defending or explaining my past.”

What Jones might have said, but did not, was that his downfall represented a crucial and possibly educational victory for the wing of the conservative and libertarian movement that has tried, without much success, to paint environmental activists like Jones as anti-capitalist radicals less interested in the health of the planet than in a well-disguised radical agenda.

For years, Jones had been viewed by the conservative movement as a scam artist, a purveyor of what the libertarian economist and occasional Rush Limbaugh radio show guest-host Walter E. Williams once called “watermelon environmentalism.” The green movement, Williams argued, was socialism in disguise: green on the outside, red on the inside. (Williams, like Jones, is African American.) That critique has been repeated by conservative and libertarians for more than a decade, and it has found powerful advocates. In 2007, Czech Republic President Vaclav Klaus claimed that “the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity at the beginning of the 21st century is not communism or its various softer variants,” but “the threat of ambitious environmentalism.” Later that year, Klaus’s arguments were translated and published in a book by the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a libertarian think tank funded, in part, by the energy industry. And Klaus gave the keynote address at the think tank’s 2008 gala dinner. But in recent months, the “watermelon” attack had made it onto Glenn Beck’s Fox News show.

“Do you like watermelon?” Beck asked sarcastically on the June 26 episode of his program.

“I love watermelon,” responded Phil Kerpen, the director of policy for Americans for Prosperity.

“I think this is a watermelon bill,” said Beck.

“I think you’re exactly right,” said Kerpen. “This bill is green on the outside, the thinnest green on the outside. And inside, it’s deep communist red.”

Still, before the Jones controversy, the “watermelon environmentalism” attack had been a relatively hard sell. In March, the conservative-libertarian City Journal ran a piece labeling Jones a “green hustler” and “[Jesse] Jackson version 2.0, eco-upgraded for the Great Warming.” In April, the popular right-wing Website WorldNetDaily ran the first in a series of Jones exposes asking whether a “red” would “help blacks go green.” Attacks on Jones remained obscure enough in May that Meg Whitman, a policy adviser to both Mitt Romney’s and John McCain’s presidential campaigns, gushed to reporters about how she “loved” what Jones was doing.

Not until late July, when Fox’s Glenn Beck started warning his viewers about Jones with some of the same evidence produced by WorldNetDaily, did the long-term campaign against “watermelon environmentalism” go viral. Beck’s reports on Jones leaned heavily on a sympathetic 2005 profile from the East Bay Express, an Oakland, Calif. alternative weekly paper, in which Jones said he became a “communist” after the Rodney King verdict, and detailed his days at the head of a radical chic organization called STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement). This was a history Jones had been open about for years. But in July, and especially after Color of Change — a civil rights group co-founded by Jones — began pressuring advertisers to drop Beck’s show, Beck and other Fox News personalities ran story after story on how communism was at the root of Jones’s environmentalism. One moment on the Sept. 3 episode of Sean Hannity’s prime time news show, with a small panel, including Fox News host Kimberly Guilfoyle and conservative pundit S.E. Cupp, digging into the story, was typical of the coverage:

SEAN HANNITY: He’s a communist. I mean avowed.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE: Yes.

S.E. CUPP: Self-avowed. Yes.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE: Self-avowed communist.

Reached on Sunday by TWI, some of the people who’d been in the trenches making the case against “watermelon environmentalism” were not yet sure if the Jones story was a one-time incident, a self-inflicted injury on the green movement, or the kick-off of a wave of new attention on the environmental movement.

“I think the Jones case is a great example of the green outside-red inside phenomenon,” said Matthew Vadum, a senior editor at the conservative Capital Research Center who has appeared on Beck’s Fox News show and wrote more than a dozen items about Jones for the American Spectator. “With the exception of the 9/11 trutherism, I don’t think Van Jones’s views are much different from those in the environmentalist movement as a whole. Environmentalism isn’t about saving the planet: It’s about controlling the behavior of people.”

Vadum was not sure about the long-term impact of Jones’s downfall, as some early media coverage of the controversy has honed in on an early 2009 video of Jones calling Republicans who didn’t support climate change legislation “assholes,” which came to light hours before the 9/11 papers. “The mainstream media ignored this throughout and even now is characterizing his departure as based on calling Republicans nasty names, which is but a smidgeon of the whole story.”

Kerpen, who appeared on Beck’s show many times to provide more analysis of the socialism-environmentalism connection, was happy to see Jones go. But he worried that the “watermelon” issue was gaining less traction than the generic issue of “czars,” policy advisers given executive branch jobs without Senate approval.

“It’s more important to follow through on the politics of ‘green jobs’ and use the Van Jones affair to fight that concept and cap-and-trade than to pursue other czars,” said Kerpen. “My primary interest has always been using this to win policy fights.”

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TexasCore
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Does it ever feel like the Obama administration never stands up for anything.

They obviously thought Van Jones was good enough to hire, but the buckle because they're worried about the “big issues” yet they won't even tell us what President Obama thinks about healthcare or Afghanistan. Are we honestly to believe that the President doesn't what he stance on healthcare is right now or didn't know during the campaign or the first 7 months of his administration and only on a Wednesday night do we learn. This isn't American Ideal, the White House should have told us yesterday about their plans, not Wednesday.


JunkJunk
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

>>Does it ever feel like the Obama administration never stands up for anything.<<

I can agree with that sentiment. It's time for these guys to grow a spine. At the rate he's going, he may be challenged in the 2012 primary.


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Adam
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

B.O. isn't a 'socialist'–he's an Obamaist. He'll jettison anyone or any policy, if it's politically expedient. Kinda like most other politicians.


WeForThePeople
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 12:10 am

No No,The Other Czars need to Go TOO!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:57 am

Maybe Lenin or Trotsky are available.


perryquinn
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:07 am

DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE ARE PLAYING A PART IN THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE ? MR. JONES NEEDS TO BE WATCHED FOR ANY FUTURE ASSOCIATION WITH THE OBAMA ADM. WE NEED TO VET ALL EXISTING CZARS. THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.


Paula
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:09 am

I too stand with Van Jones, and am most disheartened by his decision to leave the adminstration. the country loses a visionary who understands the challenge our society is faced with , more prisons than schools, less opportunity to understand green education and green jobs. where is the hope and change in that?


vwcat
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:13 am

TexasCore, I think one reason Obama does not stand up is that he is being gunned for by both the gop and the trad. press. They are both blaming him for everything and it's seeping into the mainstream of America. Not just the fringe anymore. Our so called 'liberal' press works hand in hand with the gop on this.
That and Obama has a tendency to keep everything behind the scenes. He is not a chest beater and camera preener.
No poser like Bush.
So, what goes on as far as push back, arguments, standing up to the gop, goes on behind the scenes.
I would like to see some of that publicly but, that is just not his style. He is not a scene maker and probably find that kind of thing distasteful – though, now a days it happens so much we misunderstand it for being strong rather then maybe vulgar to display everything in public.


toptwome
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:15 am

Van Jones should have stayed and done the job that he was hired to do. No one else should fall on their sword for rethuglicans who have so much in their past that is horrible and evil. Mr. Jones did not so or do anything that most of us did say and do when Bush and Cheney were ruining the country and lying constantly. I really expect our President to stand up for the people he hires and not let them be run off because of the republican media that makes mountains out of molehills, but doesn't do the decent reporting they should about republicans wrongdoing.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Oh Please. All of you that talk like that are psycho people


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:26 am

You are nuts too. But then you all can't stand the thought that you lost and this administration is concerned about people. But see you right wingers are so ignorant. You don't look into anything, you just believe whatever Hannity, Lamebrain, screw loose Beck say to you.


roseybear
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:13 am

I agree these people sound nuts, but can you give some substantive response rather than just throwing insults? There's enough baggage in Jone's past to cause problems for future efforts of the Obama adminstration, and he had to go. That does not mean we can't get someone with a cleaner pedigree to pick up the flag. Jone's background is just too over the top.


roseybear
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:14 am

It's about putting together a team that can advance his agenda, not going down in flames over loyalty. Jones did the right thing in stepping down.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:19 am

And Betsy you can't stand that the facts show Jones for what he is and Beck only reported on quotes and videos from Jones himself go to any website you want to find the facts before calling names when you come back with actual facts then you wont look like the one who is NUTS.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:19 am

Roseybear, I agree, but I just get really tired of these people. Despite the fact that Jones had some baggage, it seems that to the right wing it's ok for their people to have lots of baggage but to target a man, which Beck started, because he helped found an organization that successfully launched a letter writing campaign to the advertisers of Beck's show is just ludicrous.
By the way did you hear what Howard Dean said about him? He said this a.m. on Fox that Jones did not know what he signed when he signed the “truther” petition. Dean said when you are busy and they thrust a petition in your hands and only give you a “half truth” of what it is, it's easy to make a mistake, which Howard Dean said he's made before.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:24 am

If he cant make important decisions on the fly than obviously he doesnt need to be an adviser to the president. And when Jones made the statement that hes a communists after the rodney king riots do you really think he should be in our government. Jones' words no one else.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:27 am

Which websites, the right wing websites? I happen to know that the man is brilliant and really knows his stuff when it comes to the environment. I already answered about his signing the “truther” petition. If you saw Howard Dean then you know that typically people do sign petitions that they don't read. Not smart to do? Yes. But I do not believe that he's a radical or a communist.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Wow really?


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Who said he can't make important decisions on the fly. And yes that was a stupid statement that he made, and he made it out of anger because of what was happening to Rodney King. I'm not black, but I firmly believe that until you have walked in their shoes don't condemn their anger at an injustice.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:32 am

Jones told the East Bay Express in 2005:

I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th [1992], and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist. (…)

I met all these young radical people of color – I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.' I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:38 am

I already comment above about the communist statement. The right wing was also after him from the gitgo and you I'm sure are part of the whole movement to undercut Obama.
Van Jones is gone but I'm sure Obama will appoint someone that is as smart or maybe smarter.
What I AM upset with is the fact that Obama won by 54% of the vote, and he's allowing the right wing “ditto heads” to run him. And there's no reason for him to even think that he will ever get bipartisanship in this country. So if I were him, I would just work for the people that put him in office. But that's not his nature.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Ive been arrested by police before to and just like Jones it was our own fault for getting arrested. And yet im not a communists due to my mistake so why would anyone else want to be a communists because you broke the law.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:43 am

So is he working for you has his 787billion stimulus helped you or anyone else you know. And are you wanting government run healthcare that your own reps and senators put in an amendment to keep them off the plan. Name one country that loves there govt. run HC and name one program that our govt. runs that has been ran effectively and is fiscally sound.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:49 am

That was 17 years ago. He was young and impressionable. So what are you going to do punish him all of his life? Beck was an alcoholic are you going to hold that against him? What do we know about what he did when he was drinking. We don't because he too was young then. I don't hold things against people if they have changed their lives around. But it seems that the right wing is very judgmental.
I used to be a Republican until I saw that they were strictly for Big Business, and in their own way very radical. Cutting taxes for the rich.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:59 am

So at what point in his life does he change from a radical communists? And he was the same age as me when he was arrested. he was in his mid 20's so how impressionable could he have been. So you say tax the rich like they are now so theyll pack up their business that employs most of america and go overseas to where taxes are less. yeah that works.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:59 am

Guess what the stimulus IS working. And TARP is a big success. And as far as countries that have universal health care, their GDP percentage is lower than ours. I have relatives in Canada and they love their health care. The British love theirs. And talk to the Norwegians they are very happy with theirs too.
Medicare is run very effectively, and guess what it would be fiscally sound if Congress would stop robbing it to put the money in the General Fund.
As far as our reps and senators putting in an amendment to keep them off the plan, that's plain hogwash. First of all, there is no bill yet that is a final bill. HB 3200 is one that people have tried to lie about. But if you go to Factcheck.org or politifacts you will see that all the emails being sent around by the right wing are all lies.
And yes he's working for me. By the way I'm retired and Mr Bush started the downturn on the economy, but that's okay because I have my SS and medicare. My just think what would have happened had Bush been able to privatize SS, with the stock market the mess that it was his last year in office, we would have starved.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:01 am

When you were arrested were you beaten continuously?


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:06 am

Well, guess what! I was a Republican for over 50 years. And just last year I changed my affiliation to Democrat. Why? Because I am totally disgusted with the Republican party and their right wing agenda.
It took him less time to realize it was wrong. Well, lets see, Reagan taxed the wealthy (the ones making over $250K) at 50%, Clinton brought that down to 39%, Bush then changed it to 35%. Obama wants to put it back at 39%. I see nothing wrong with that. And I am shocked that you would think that's wrong. If you made less then 250K you got a tax cut from Obama. But all you people forget that. You just want to slime him everywhere that you can.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:35 am

I got a tax cut huh! My cigs have went 7 dollars a carton milk 50 cents a gallon and gas up 1.00 a gallon since he took office and everything at the grocery store has went up. and if obama gets his cap and trade then my electricity bill “will necessarily skyrocket” and thats in his words. so how im i who makes 40,000 a year getting a tax break. but ill answer it for you its Bush's fault. Right?


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:36 am

Im not sliming im just repeating what he says. nothing more nothing less. your the name caller not me.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:38 am

I read and saved the actual bill to my computer. but nice try.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:38 am

And neither was Jones. so whats your point.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:39 am

Hey, what state are you in. You can blame them for your cigs going up. Where I live they are 3.50. All the taxes you are talking about are from your state except the gas. And gas is still lower than when Bush was in office. And that's bs about cap and trade. Your bill will go up very little. Didn't you listen to him on that?


jeninoh
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:39 am

Someday someone will explain to me why conservatives hate children. You will never get them to admit it of course, but they must. They are rabidly anti-environment. Their idea of regulation is to allow industry to decide how much mercury is safe for our children to drink in water. Like industry is going to decide to do anything that cuts into their profit margin…


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:40 am

so the recent poll from england showed 93% hate their health care is wrong. as reported by AP


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:40 am

Sliming is not name calling. Puhleez. I didn't call you a name, I made a statement of fact.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Jones was talking about King getting beaten and how that affected him. And that's why he said he should be a communist. Make sense? No. But when you are in your 20s you still need a lot of growing up and a lot to learn.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:45 am

what bill for your computer. What did that have to do with anything.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:45 am

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=oba…


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:45 am

give me the link to the poll. What the heck are smoking, that is totally false.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:53 am

Yes, at one time he did say that, but please read this article.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/cap-and-trade-…


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:55 am

Heres his cig tax hike on april 1st of this year.
http://www.panhandleparade.com/index.php/mbb/ar…


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ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:57 am

factcheck.org is an obama supporter so thats not very unbiased it has his logo in the top left. they wouldnt give a bad report if they had to.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:58 am

That's the congress. So for whatever reason you can still blame your state legislators. They are going to raise FL taxes again.


Patrick
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:00 am

The only thing Van Jones did wrong was not be a Republican in this vile political climate. The Republicans (and “Independents” aka Republicans) did a major smear campaign against this man. He apologized for some comments he made and that was not enough for the likes of Glenn Beck and his movement. The White people should be ashamed of the anti-Black racist actions of the Republican party and the Christian Right Wing. They can't accept the fact that we have a Black president and will do anything to ruin his administration and his presidency. Shame on you racists folks out there!


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:00 am

You are dead wrong. Factcheck.org is a none partisan blog site. If you think that you are absolutely wrong. You can also go to politifacts.com and they are none partisan too. So please don't even try that one.
That IS NOT his logo.
Well it's been nice talking to you. I'm off to bed. So good night.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:01 am

http://freemarketcure.com/blog/?p=247


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:02 am

They have also caught dems stretching the truth


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:05 am

That's a conservative site and they are also very wrong. Talk to people in Canada. I have a nephew who lives there and they all love the health care.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:05 am

feds raised it and obama signed it. he lied about raising taxes. period.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:06 am

their source is from london england.


betsym
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:08 am

Wrong again. He may have signed it but it was proposed in 2008.
And he didn't lie because he said he wouldn't raise your income tax.


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:10 am

No he said he wouldnt raise any taxes period not just income. http://dad29.blogspot.com/2009/08/health-care-p…


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:11 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8erePM8V5U


ilovetheconstitution
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:13 am

abcnews – To get the economy back on track, will Barack Obama? have to break his pledge not to raise taxes on 95% of Americans? In a This Week exclusive, Tim Geithner told me, We have to bring these deficits down very dramatically, Geithner told me. And thats going to require some very hard choices.


Patrick
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:57 am

You are a drag (no pun intended) on the health care system by being a smoker. They can't make the taxes high enough in my opinion. Smokers are stupid>>they should just jump in front of a bus and get their death over with!


davidmaness
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:39 am

Oh of course, anti-environment = hate children.
If you want to go down to that level, let me remind you how much of a family man Glenn Beck is…

And again, this is not an “attack on the environment” as liberals love to twist it into, but an attack on those using environmental issues to disguise their own workings. Hence the whole “watermelon” analogy.

Jeez.


bairdduvessa
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:40 am

even if he is/was a communist it doesn't matter. he has the right to be one ib this country.

regardless these conservitive comments above are disgusting


Kungfoochimp
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:53 am

You are actually claiming the mainstream media is gunning for Obama? Did you know that most of the mainstream media had to think of a way to cover the Jones departure since none of them had decided to cover any of the months long controversy, and even then, most declined to mention the man is an avowed communist who has never disavowed those views? The mainstream media is a dinosaur with their faces so far up 0bama's posterior they don't know if the sun is out, but that's ok cause they think that's where it shines from.

Move on fan boy.


Kungfoochimp
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:55 am

“Concerned about people” hahahaha. You are simple folk aren't you?


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jsmithcsa
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

This is a wonderful argument that the mainstream media did not do their jobs to review this man's background. While they were digging into the background of everyone on the conservative side, they did no significant review of those on the left. They have admitted it openly, but now the country has been forced to pay. We deserve a better press, we deserve better TV news.


Mrs. P.
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

Jeninoh..”conservatives hate children”? Who is trying to force the use of mercury light bulbs (all the way from China)? Or causing children's deaths by banning DDT? Or reducing families to poverty by killing jobs? Or starving farmers and their families for the sake of a stupid fish? Your precious people-hating environmentalists, that's who.


Mrs. P.
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

Betsym…I'm sorry you have the wrong impression about Canadian health care. I live in B.C. and I'm not exaggerating when I tell you I can get better health care for my cat than for myself and my family. We DON”T love it, it is a horrible system and I hope you don't end up with a similar one, or you could be one of the unfortunate ones unable to see a doctor or get treatment, but paying anyway.


mike vaquero
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

Wow Glenn you are a great american, you did a great job on Van Jones, keep all these socialist pigs on retreat and keep up the good work god will repay you back in one way or anothe. Keep up with the czars, sooner or later they will all lead you to Obama, then maybe we can get him impeached for treason!!!!!!!!!!!!


Adam
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

What's hillarious is when 'environmentalists' on the 'left' condone the influx of millions of (often illegal) immigrants. Who do you think is filling up all those sprawl-causing suburbs?


Adam
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

Nothing 'communist' about this Green Economy scam. Mostly, it involves subsidies to PRIVATELY-OWNED, CAPITALIST 'green' products firms. Also, making nuclear power–dangerous, expensive nuclear power–palatable to voters, by using climate change fear mongering.


Tuci78
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:01 am

How is “nuclear power” – by which it is presumed you mean light-water fission reactors – any more “dangerous [or[ expensive” than any other form of electrical power generation?

I recommend the late Petr Beckmann's The Health Hazards of Not Going Nuclear as a robust comparison of nuclear power generation against hydroelectric, coal-fired, and other (less viable) forms of high-density power technologies.

Looking at fission reactor technology from an engineering point of view – from construction through operation through the fuel cycle (including handling waste products) – the lives and health put at risk per unit of energy generated are lower with nukes than with anything else. No exception.

Adam, you got any background in radiation medicine, oncology, epidemiology, physics, biology – anything in the sciences – at all? Have you done any real work on this subject, or are you just parroting the popular stupidities?

As for “subsidies” of any kind, getting government involved in anything outside of its core competencies (breaking things and killing people) is gonna screw up. Always has, always will. What the hell makes you think that popularity contest winners – career politicians – have any more talent or ability to make sound decisions in the economic sphere than you do?

Which is to say, no ability whatsoever.


Tuci78
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:24 am

It's not only that Van Jones is odious as all hell in terms of his political background but also that he was put in charge as a “Green Jobs Czar” without having any real track record of sound decision-making or policy expertise in either facilitating productive employment or improving environmental quality.

I could see selecting someone with training and experience as a civil engineer (particularly if he'd had a background in large-scale reclamation projects and the like), or an economist with some history of making good predictions of real-world trends, and making tough decisions, or a guy with a Sc.D or a Ph.D. in the sciences, some original research under his belt, his name on a bunch of publications.

But of course not. This putz is just another goddamned lawyer. A useless Marxist rabble-rouser. A cheap knock-off of your Mombasa Messiah.

It's not just that his politics reek, but that whatever power he exercised, whatever advice he offered, whatever acts of extortion he undertook as Barry's stooge would be wrong-headed and hopelessly screwed long before he made up whatever he uses in lieu of a mind about anything that he might have considered.

I have no doubt that your Fraudulence-in-Chief is going to replace Van Jones with somebody just as stupid, just as incompetent, just as ill-educated and cement-headed and “politically correct” as this festering git, and then the question that will not be asked is why the hell yet another such bloody fool is being delegated the kinds of authority and influence vested in this idiotic “Green Jobs Czar” position.

And you don't think that your “poverty pimp” Chicago thug of a faux president ought to be picking educated, experienced, capable people for these dozens of “Czar” jobs he's inflicting on this country?

Jeez, how predictable.


dunno_moire
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 2:32 am

Tuci78 – thank you for further confirming my own opinion of nuclear energy. Surely there are dangers to handling nuclear fuel, I'm sure you'd agree which ones they are. However, most of the criticism could be called 'voodoo misinformation' – paranoid superstition dispensed by superstitious paranoiacs.


dunno_moire
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Beck never cites God as a motivation for his commentary…where do you get this ad hominem misinformation from? Does it make it easier for you to discredit him if you portray him as a religious zealot? Maybe it's you that's full of hatred – hatred for people of faith?


dunno_moire
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Patrick – you are a racist. This stupid nonsense of saying that everyone that criticizes a black man is a racist is racism itself, in fact. Attributing to white people an inability to rationally criticize a person of color is to make a prejudicial comment – a racist comment. Wake up and stop your racist/race-baiting nonsense. If you want to discredit Beck why aren't we investigating where he stood in his defense of The Constitution during The Patriot Act passage, etc? Beck is so quick to defend The Constitution now…was he defending The Constitution (and its provision for civil liberties) then?


Tuci78
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:20 am

The question is never whether or not an industrialized society such as ours will have a need for high-density electrical power generation but rather how that power will be generated.

Maximum economic efficiency must also be calculated on the basis of direct and indirect impacts upon quality of life, and that includes how many people are put at risk of morbidity and mortality both in the power generation industry itself and all around that industry's operations. Right now, the only real alternative to light-water fission reactor systems is coal-fired powerplants. Terrestrial surface solar power is intrinsically and inescapably too diffuse for a Heinleinian “Let There Be Light” solution to work (though orbital power satellites would not be). Wind power, geothermal power, tidal power – these are simply worthless.

Were they not worthless, there would be no reason for politicians to tax the population to subsidize them. Were they worth the capital investment and capable of paying effectively for their maintenance and operation, power companies would have striven to get these systems up and running decades ago.

The safest rule of thumb in political economics is this: If it requires government subsidy, protection, or any other kind of support to get something started and keep it working, that something is not economically viable, and never will be.

In most of these United States, high-megawatt baseline power provision cannot be consistently achieved by any means other than hydroelectric, fossil-fuel-fired, or nuclear fission systems. There are limits on what can be wrung out of hydroelectric facilities (only so many places exist where dams are practicable), so….

That leaves nukes or coal-burning plants, and anyone with any knowledge of coal geology understands entirely too damned well that with the natural occurrence of radioisotopes in coal (particularly those of thorium, uranium, and potassium), the radiation release per unit of power generated is higher with a coal-fired powerplant than it is for a light-water nuke.

Beyond that, there's also the volume of waste generated – both as gaseous discharge and as ash – secondary to the coal cycle, vast in its tonnage, toxic in its environmental impacts. Nukes by comparison generate tiny amounts of highly concentrated toxins which can be easily diluted to subcritical densities, robustly stabilized (by means such as vitrification), and stored safely underground for later re-use if desired.

(( One of the lessons learned in chemical engineering over the past couple of centuries is that one generation's worthless slag is the next generation's wonderfully cheap raw materials supply. ))

Every Luddite schmuck jitters idiotically about the horrors of “radiation” and its carcinogenic potential while ignoring the fact that the coal cycle even at its most efficient produces even greater risk for the population at large on the basis of chemical carcinogens released into the air and into ground water as the result of coal combustion.

It's a helluva lot easier to track potentially carcinogenic radioactive substances (get out the Geiger counter) than it is to locate, sequester, and safely dispose of the thousands of chemical compounds produced by the coal cycle conducing to the development of cancers.

Ask anybody who's ever done any college-level work in organic chemistry.

It doesn't take even that much to understand this stuff, really.

Remember that line from Good Will Hunting?

“You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for a buck fifty in late charges at the public library.”

That's about it.


webtasarImlarImIz
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:04 am

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wayoutwest
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:14 am

Dr B, now you are a nuclear expert, i thought you were just an ass.

How is nuke power any more dangerous than other forms of power? Ask the Dine who live near Church Rock NM and people living along the Rio Puerco in NM and AZ. The disaster there in 1979 is the largest release of radioactive poison, uranium, thorium, radium, and polonium in the US except for n-bomb testing. There is 140 million tons of uranium milling waste in the west and no method yet to isolate this highly radioactive waste. I guess Indians don't count and their lands are just another National Sacrifice Area.
You read one book and you are an expert.

You must be reading the propaganda from the 50's, Too Cheap To Meter is what they told us then. When all the actual costs are factored in n-power is obscenely expensive in human, environmental and economic costs.

No funding is available for n-power without government guarantees there never has been. It was promoted as Nukes for Peace to justify nuclear weapons. Even the light water reactor was a political decision, gas cooled reactors are much safer. I know this because my brother is one of the first nuclear engineers to work on their design at General Atomic.

No matter what the ignorant and uninformed say the only viable alternative to coal and oil is renewables. Here in NM the largest p-v generating station in the US is under construction. When the superconducting transmission system is finally built we will have the infrastructure to take advantage of all the renewable options we have, solar, wind, and others. None of these will replace fossil fuels overnight but they will eventually. They will also create a new driver for the economy that is based on the production of clean energy by Americans for Americans.

Go back to ranting about PBHO, never mind you don't know anything about him either.


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Patrick
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

I am not a racist. I am seeing an underlying message by Beck and his followers. It appears that Beck is hell bent on portraying President Obama as a person who surrounds himself with extreme radicals. Yes, Obama has some people he assoicates with that have very different points of views than Beck and his followers. When Bush was in office, he surrounded himself with people who had extremed views contrary to my beliefs. The bottom line is that a majority elected a person who does not share the ideals with the minority! Now that Obama is in office, those who don't like him are simply not open to his administration or agenda. They are acting like a bunch of brats that did not get what they want. And, I do think that there are a lot of folks who won't admit it, but they can't handle having a Black leader>>>therefore their racism is showing up in a very subtle way.


ssol4569
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

That's not why he's a self admitted communist. That doesn't quite make sense. He did time in prison after the Rodney King riots and was confined with many radicals and communists. Now don't forget, he already was a radical otherwise he wouldn't have been doing time for the riots for Rodney King. So when he was freed from prison he was one of them or a self-proclaimed communist. He declared it himself.


ssol4569
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

The President let you down because he could not defend Van Jones. The man is a communist….we are not a communist country, what is so hard to understand about that! And believe me when I tell you that Obama hasn't heard the last from Van Jones. Obama will still seek his advice, only Van Jones doesn't have the same powers he used to but he does still have Obama's ear.


oljw
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Jones took himself down via his repeated actions and statements. Attacking the messenger does not address Jones' radical past nor his intent to use the cover of the Green Movement to bring about radical social change..


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Nukes decomissioning costs run about 300-500% higher than the costs of building them. The metal rots from neutron bombardment and they get obsolete; after runing for 20-30 years, you essentially have to use ROBOTS to slice their radioactive carcasses up. Then, the old core (large, heavy and hot) has to be trucked (yes, TRUCKED–talk about 'wide load') somewhere (entombing it in situ renders the old reactor site unuseable). Nobody has solved the waste problem. The current 'system' involves converting the fuel into a glass, or ceramic (Europeans prefer the former, Americans the latter) and burying it in a (hopefully) geologically-stable underground vault (Yucca Mountain, an old salt mine). Expensively-costly security is involved–dirty bombs, Pu for nuke weapons and whatnot. Pray that groundwater doesn't leak into the vault.

Still like nukes? I'm no nuke engineer, but I know enough not to like them. BTW, many of the media conglomerates that gushed Obama into office–and funded propaganda like The Day After Tomorrow–have heavy cross-ownership of nuclear technology and U resource holdings.


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

You still haven't solved the waste and decomissioned reactor disposal problem, along with the security issues. Do that and maybe you'll be a rich man.

The best way to Save the Environment is to put population control back on the agenda, especially in the developing world. Bringing them here isn't helping things. India, Brazil and other developing nations have unsustainable birthrates, growing fossil fuel use, and absolutely no interest in signing onto Kyoto or cap-&-trade schemes.


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

“The white polluters and the white environmentalists are essentially steering poison into the people of color communities because they don’t have a racial justice frame.”
–Van Jones

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/09…

Maybe this guy should've been smarter and not opened his mouth. Good riddance.


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

B.O. is no 'black' radical (people always like to forget that he's also 'white'). Rather, he panders to every possible vote bloc. If he ran against an 'all'-black candidate, he'd've sucked up to the Aryan vote. His real master is Richard M[obster] Daley.


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

More on B.O.'s Boss (from a left-wing perspective):

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=619842


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Adam, What amazes me is that PBHO was able to navigate and use the Chicago machine without becoming corrupted by it. This reflects on his character and his skills as a politician. He was successful there with the support of blacks and moderate whites not the Daily machine. He had to fight them just like he fought the Clinton machine to get the dem nomination. He made one mistake, the Rezko land deal, no small feat in a place where you can spit in any direction and hit a mobster or a corrupt pol.

Chicago is only #6 in the corruption game maybe they need more republicans to show them how it's done.

I'm from MI and now live in NM and know corruption is everywhere. The great thing about this country is we usually get to see these clowns perp-walked off to prison eventually.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:32 pm

You are correct that speaking truth to power will get you in trouble in this country.

The truth is that the coal ash spill that was in the news is being shipped to a poor mostly black county in AL. for burial.

The truth is that the PCB contaminated dredging from the Hudson river is being shipped to west TX, NM border area for burial.

This attitude is class-ism as well as racism, poor whites and blacks are required to take the wealthy's shit and deal with it


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

Since Obama won't release his Senatorial records, we don't have a clue about which lobbyists he met with, which rings he kissed, &c.

Nobody gets Da Mare's nod, without something in return. My guess is that Obama's administration, along with giving stimulus pork to Daley-conected construction companies for 'infrastructure' projects, will keep the FBI's RICO dogs off Richard M.'s tail.


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

Classism IS bigger than racism. So is NIMBYism: the most geologically-ideal place to bury nuclear waste would be in the Northeast, but wealthy New Yorkers would have none of it. Instead, the high-level waste is to be buried on an Indian rez, in mildly-seismic, groundwater-percolated Yucca Mountain.


toptwome
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

We do not have communists in America. We have liars, cheaters, crooks, and haters who will say and do lots of things worse than Van Jones. Van Jones graduated from Yale Univ. and he cares about the environment and saving the earth from complete destruction. No lie ever is too beyond the pale for republicans to shout over and over. No hate or fear inspiring they spew is ever too extreme for all base republicans to agree with wholeheartedly. President Obama does not deserve the wrath coming his way, but he will have to stand tall and be the Christian man who rises above it all.


roseybear
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Hi Bets, Howard Dean's a sharp guy but he's mainly a partisan mouthpiece right now, of which there are many on both sides. These folks will keep pushing their case with any logic they can concoct, because for them, they need to win. If making sense will help them win, then they're all for it, but if making sense doesn't work, they make something up. The whole death panel fuss was a nonsensical creation but it struck a chord with folks that don't trust Washington. (If you don't trust Washington, why would you trust Sarah Palin to discuss health care? Amazing.).


betsym
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

Not only is it amazing but it's absolutely stunning that there are people who believe her. They won't read anything credible about the Health Care Bill, they just believe whatever she and the fringe have to say. Truly sad.


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JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:22 am

“My guess is that Obama's administration, along with giving stimulus pork to Daley-conected construction companies for 'infrastructure' projects, will keep the FBI's RICO dogs off Richard M.'s tail.”

Adam – Not interested in your guesses. Stick to facts. President Obama released everything required by the government.


Mari
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:38 am

The fact that you state that IF someone does not agree with the policy of Obama that makes them a racists. Well, the fact that you disagreed with the policy of Bush when he was in office (by your comments) was purely because you are a racists.
That sounds stupid doesn't it? Well, that because your comment is….

why is this a race issue?
From reading some posts most seems to be issues, problems, with the current Presidents policy and the current administrations policy…..
Having differing opinions and beliefs is NOT racism….. We are ALL allowed our own thoughts and beliefs. Its in the United States Constitution…. Try reading the Bill of Rights also.


Mari
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:48 am

I actually did read the Health Care Bill….
I printed the bill out; the one that was in the House and available and did read the whole thing from front to back. I actually did all of the reference look ups also.

I don't listen to the people you are referencing. Actually, I trust no one in politics.
I find the information and do the research and look it up for myself. That way I know what the truth is…..
Looks like I am going to have a new bill soon to read through…..

My question to you is; did you read the entirety of the bill?


Mari
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:50 am

your comment is factually incorrect.


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Adam
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bara…

So much for the 'small donations' lie.

Obama has not released his Senatorial records, your right about that. However, you'd think that Mr Openness and Transparency woul'd've on his own accord. Also, why aren't the normally probing and inquisitive independant media asking for this? Why the hardon for The One?


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

Your sourcewatch link doesn't list the breakdown for the presidential election. That is where PBHO's small donations were about 50% of the total.

What senatorial records didn't he release? All his campaign contributions, voting record, and bills are public records and on sourcewatch.

The only ones with a hard-on for PBHO seem to be people like you. Are you a secret admirer or a closet liberal?


Adam
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 6:24 am

Many of the 'small donations' were actually multiples from the same donors. Like Bush Part II, most of Obama-Biden's staggering campaign fund came from corporate donors. This money NEVER comes without strings attatched.

Obama never revealed which lobbyists he met with. In Illinois, this would probably involve the construction industry.

Obama Part II isn't any worse than McCain would've been. Both had 'birther' controversies. His health plan contained the 'public option' and banning risk-exclusion by private insurers (pretty good), but the social worker checkups and medical records program (very bad). Like McCain, he (was) all for redeploying military resources to Afghanistan, although his administration's enthusiasm for this seems to be waning. However, B.O., unlike the Old Fart, has been terribly weenie about Russia and Iran. These countries will NOT respond to diplomatic overtures. Obama has not been more of a libertarian than Bush–rather, he's added a few authoritarian touches of his own (admissability of evidence from interrogations w/o legal council, the internet security bill).

If you wan't to stick me with a label (other than quasi-fruity musical lover), try 'conservative social-libertarian'.


captainsteve
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Another reason to watch Glenn Beck! I don't want the party line. I'm sick of being lied to. I want truth.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:36 am

Two Messages, identical content:

http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/id…

1) “Capitalism is an evil, and you cannot regulate evil,” the two-hour movie concludes.

“You have to eliminate it and replace it with something that is good for all people and that something is democracy.”

“They need more than just regulation. We need to structure ourselves differently in order to create finance and money, support for jobs, businesses, etc.”

GREEN SHOOTS?

Amid the gloom, Moore detects the beginnings of a popular movement against unbridled capitalism, and believes President Barack Obama's rise to power may bolster it.

Michael Moore, Filmmaker

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-czars-shock-admis…

2) Right now, we’re saying we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to some kind of eco-capitalism, we’re, you know, at least we’re not fast-tracking destruction of the whole planet. Will that be enough? No it won’t be enough.

We want to go beyond systems of exploitations and oppression all together. But that’s a process, and I think what’s great about the movement that is beginning to emerge is that the crisis is so severe in terms of joblessness, violence and now ecological threats, that people are willing to be both very pragmatic and very visionary. And – So the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.”

Van Jones, Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality (Czar)

Marxist theory points to the entire capitalist class as an exploitative entity, and to capitalism as a system based on exploitation. So Van by referencing capitalism by way of a Marxist reference and expressing the desire to go beyond that and link all the green policy as the engine to transform the whole society (to communism).

Michael does the same thing. Capitalism is evil (exploitive). You have to eliminate and replace it with something good (transformation). We need to structure ourselves differently in order to create finance and money, support for jobs, businesses, etc (socialism). The writer suggests green shoots (green economy).

These are identical messages. Since Van connected the dots and doesn't leave it to conjecture. Green equals communism. Socialism is only a stopping point. Green is the engine for the transformation. That transformation is Marxism. All these people need to be identified as socialist/communists.

Socialism and Communism destroys private property and private rights.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Sure he can find a soapbox to stand on and talk utter nonsense, but he can't pass laws or regulations that pursue the communist philosophy.

“A Essay Concerning the true original, extent, and end of Civil Government” written in 1690 by John Locke.

“…yet every man has a “property” in his own “person.” This nobody has any right to but himself. The “labor” of his body and the “work” of his hands, we may say, are properly his.”

—Chapter 5, Property, Number 26.

His property, whose workmanship they are made to last during His, not one another’s pleasure.”

—Chapter 2, Of the State of Nature, Number 6.

“The great and chief end, therefore, of men uniting into commonwealths, and putting themselves under government, is the preservation of their property…”

—Chapter 9, Of the Ends of Political Society and Government, Number 124

Perhaps if you went to college recently you probably don't understand that Locke's work is central to the founding documents that are still the law of the land…but I'll try to explain.

The combination of the three clearly indicates the philosophy extends from the definition of property to include the person; a term for the physical body, the labor/work and the result of the two. The pursuit of happiness is found in many things. If property, whether it’s the person’s person or real estate, or other assets through which work/workmanship are made and to last during that individual’s pleasure, not another’s, then property, the right to acquire and to use property without undue restraint (liberty) or exterior threats is inextricably interwoven within that person’s pursuit of happiness and the person themselves. So inherent and self-evident is understanding of the personal rights embodied within private property that passing laws based on a philosophy that destroys private property right is incompatible with the American legal structure that protects and the basis for all personal right is founded on that protection. So when you're in the public domain your rights of speech, lawful assembly, etc. are protected by the fact that your person is still within the protection of that private property buffer.

So when you destroy private property via a philosophy that rejects private property and assimilate the individual back into the property of the state becoming subject to or atleast indistinguishable from the state, your rights disappear and become merely a matter of preference and qualified by the state.

In others, socialism/communism destroys the buffer or separateness that keeps our rights non-negiotiable. At least, that's how it was supposed to be intended, but when you have an idiot populace and ACLU members on the Supreme Court this all gets regulated away.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:08 am

Of course, those that think that a proper rebuttal contains curse words, slurs and quotes from Bob Dylan will find these concepts all foreign to their understanding and yap about “wingnuts” and “binky” or some other juvenile insult will find thinking about these things actually difficult, but good luck to you.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:20 am

Smear campaigns use lies…the only thing that people did was to show the world Van Jones' own comments in their full context and your charges of racism are simply baseless nonsense over compensating for the lack of substance.


joeblow1113
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 4:24 am

It depends on the definition of “is.” lol…so the fact that he signed two petitions doesn't bother you?


bairdduvessa
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 6:01 am

i really want to argue with you, really i do…but it isn't worth the time and effort. I am proud to call my self a socialist, but an american version of one…one the allows for the right to personal property. i am thankful everyday to our soldiers that protect my freedom to be a member of whatever party I wish. You cannot call any american's political views as unamerican because there is no such thing as unamerican. as long as those views do not prevent another individual's pursuit of life, liberty and and the pursuit of happiness. happiness AND not property as suggested by Locke.
Any political ideology is dangerous for this country if there aren't radicals on the other side to balance it out, to make sure that our granted rights are not being violated.
i may only be in my late twenties but i am really getting sick of people calling the ACLU anti americans when they are a group who makes sure that all americans aren't being raped by just laws that prevent the rights guaranteed by our constitution.
people who think that way are borderline fascists who only want one view point and cannot tolerate others. i have friends and family who run the political gamut in their beliefs…but i think we must have received a better education that you because we can tolerate our differences without it coming down to name calling, or school yard pretentiousness. yay you can quote Locke, good for you.
(i apologize for the spelling atrocities i may have committed…i'm crashing)


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“You have to eliminate it and replace it with something that is good for all people and that something is democracy.”

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