Constituent to Claire McCaskill: ‘Where’s Your Birth Certificate?’

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Those are both excellent questions and I hope the good Senator is thinking about them. The voters are not happy and if the birth certificate question doesn't get satisfactorily answered, and soon, both Senators and Representatives had best have alternate income opportunities planned. The man who sits in the Oval Office is a usurper, a fascist and a traitor. It's time to bring the truth out in the open.

So, if there's truth to bring, where is it? All I've seen is Orly, forgery, and general nuttiness that seems motivated by sour grapes and racism. If the state produced documentation is not answering satisfactorily your “excellent questions,” that's just plain denial on your part.

Who has seen this “state produced documentation”? Independent experts have shown that the COLBs shown on the various web sites are, indeed, forgeries. There is also insufficient information on the COLB to prove Obama's birth place since Hawaii allowed uncorroborated, verbal testimony from parents or grandparents re. the birth of a child. Unless Barry's birth was certified by a Hawaiian hospital or doctor, there is no proof he was born there. Since no Hawaiian official was present at the birth, they can not reasonably assert that Barry was born in Hawaii based on the COLB and none have done so – they have only indicated that they have SEEN the documents. As an aside, since people relied on those web-based forgeries which were released by Barry's organization on which to base their eligibility decision, Barry & Co. have committed a felony.

Many purport that the 14th Amendment clarified the definition of citizen but it only clarifies the statutory definition of citizen, not the Constitutional definition of natural born citizen. While all natural born citizens are citizens, not all citizens and no naturalized citizens are natural born. Until Barry calls off his dogs and allows We The People to see the public records we are entitled to see including birth, college, passport, Kenyan and Indonesian, the din will only grow louder and uglier.

Finally, Barry's father was a Kenyan national and a British subject which means that Barry was born with dual citizenships regardless of where he was born, the very situation our founding fathers feared when they wrote the eligibility requirements in Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution and is, therefore, ineligible to be the POTUS. The fact that this situation has been ignored by the Legislature and the Judiciary is a travesty and a failure to uphold their sworn oaths of office and MUST be corrected or the American people will take action to correct it. As Barry continues to usurp power and take our rights and liberties from us, we are rapidly approaching critical mass. He would do well to tamp down the fire by releasing the necessary documentation – unless, of course, he's guilty.

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, BARRY?!?

Independent experts have shown that the COLBs shown on the various web sites are, indeed, forgeries.

Fake “experts” like Polarik, maybe. The Hawaii Department of Health, on the other hand, has confirmed that the information on Obama's birth certificate is correct.

There is also insufficient information on the COLB to prove Obama's birth place since Hawaii allowed uncorroborated, verbal testimony from parents or grandparents re. the birth of a child.

No, they didn't. He was born in Honolulu.

Unless Barry's birth was certified by a Hawaiian hospital or doctor, there is no proof he was born there.

Yes, there is. His birth certificate says he was born there, confirmed by the Hawaii Department of Health, the hospital he was born at, and birth announcements in local papers.

Since no Hawaiian official was present at the birth

Is that the new standard for birthers? Remember folks, unless a state official is present during your birth, you weren't born.

they can not reasonably assert that Barry was born in Hawaii based on the COLB and none have done so – they have only indicated that they have SEEN the documents.

Which confirm that he was born in Honolulu. You birthers have no idea what “reasonable” means.

As an aside, since people relied on those web-based forgeries which were released by Barry's organization on which to base their eligibility decision, Barry & Co. have committed a felony.

It's not a forgery, dumbass.

While all natural born citizens are citizens, not all citizens and no naturalized citizens are natural born.

Actually, all citizens not naturalized immigrants are, by definition, natural born.

Until Barry calls off his dogs

What dogs?

and allows We The People to see the public records we are entitled to see including birth, college, passport, Kenyan and Indonesian, the din will only grow louder and uglier.

You've already seen the birth certificate, and claim it's a forgery with no basis whatsoever. So the din will only grow louder and uglier (and more stupid), no matter what records you see.

Finally, Barry's father was a Kenyan national and a British subject which means that Barry was born with dual citizenships regardless of where he was born, the very situation our founding fathers feared when they wrote the eligibility requirements in Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution and is, therefore, ineligible to be the POTUS.

Wrong. His dual citizenship, if it existed at all, would become null and void when he turned 18. Then all he is is a natural born United States citizen.

The fact that this situation has been ignored by the Legislature and the Judiciary is a travesty and a failure to uphold their sworn oaths of office and MUST be corrected or the American people will take action to correct it.

There's nothing to correct, and you idiots already are taking action. And failing miserably at everything except making yourselves look like psychotic buffoons.

As Barry continues to usurp power and take our rights and liberties from us

What rights and liberties have you lost? None? Thought so.

There is no one dumber than a birther.

Independent experts have shown that the COLBs shown on the various web sites are, indeed, forgeries.

Maybe from your standpoint, but not mine. I've seen Polarik's analysis of the pictures from FactCheck. It's detailed to be sure, but not very impressive analytically. (This is the same kind of bogus “analysis” used to “prove” that the Zapruder film was somehow “forged.”)

And of course one has to assume that FactCheck would go through the trouble of forging large-size photos in the first place. That would seem a silly way to threaten their reputation as a credible nonpartisan political organization.

There is also insufficient information on the COLB to prove Obama's birth place since Hawaii allowed uncorroborated, verbal testimony from parents or grandparents re. the birth of a child.

Assuming that the facts of Obama's birth was based solely on verbal testimony, how would you ever be able to disprove it after all these years?

Since no Hawaiian official was present at the birth, they can not reasonably assert that Barry was born in Hawaii based on the COLB

Unfortunately for your position, that would equally apply to the long-form itself.

As an aside, since people relied on those web-based forgeries which were released by Barry's organization on which to base their eligibility decision, Barry & Co. have committed a felony.

Let's pretend that the COLB was a forgery for a moment. The COLB was not released pursuant to any statute, but merely to address certain public interest in the place of his birth. There is not the slightest shred of evidence that any official relied on that document with regard to his eligibility. So, no, there was no felony committed. (Not that you could cite a relevant felony statute anyway.)

Many purport that the 14th Amendment clarified the definition of citizen but it only clarifies the statutory definition of citizen, not the Constitutional definition of natural born citizen.

You're simply wrong on your history. The Fourteenth Amendment was intended to be merely declaratory of the jus soli principles of citizenship by birth in this country that we inherited from common law, but mangled in idiotic decisions like Dred Scott. The Fourteenth Amendment doesn't address “natural born citizen,” but it doesn't have to, since it dealt in common law principles common to the origin of both of these provisions.

While all natural born citizens are citizens, not all citizens and no naturalized citizens are natural born.

That's your claim. Now go find me one single case in the entire history of state and federal jurisprudence that specially supports the claim that there are three types of citizens: (1) natural born citizens, (2) naturalized citizens, and (3) non-natural born, non-naturalized citizens.

I, on the other hand, can provide dozens, if not hundreds, of cases that stand for the proposition that there are exactly two mutually-exclusive classes of U.S. citizens: (1) natural born citizens, and (2) naturalized citizens.

Until Barry calls off his dogs and allows We The People to see the public records we are entitled to see including birth, college, passport, Kenyan and Indonesian, the din will only grow louder and uglier.

On behalf of my We The People, go tell your We The People to get lost.

Finally, Barry's father was a Kenyan national and a British subject which means that Barry was born with dual citizenships regardless of where he was born, the very situation our founding fathers feared when they wrote the eligibility requirements in Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution

Give me one shred of evidence that the Founding Fathers specifically addressed the question of the citizenship of one's parents in relationship to the natural born citizen clause. Just one. The John Jay letter doesn't cut it, because he only referred to opposing “foreigners” as president. Under the terminology of the day a “foreigner” was one who was not a citizen – therefore excluding even the theoretical category of non-natural born, non-naturalized citizens. Vattel doesn't cut it, either, because there is no evidence that the Founding Fathers considered Vattel's concept of indegenes in writing the natural born citizen clause. Furthermore, the Founding Fathers were silent if they indeed had any plans to overturn hundreds of years of common law jurisprudence on natural born citizenship/subject status. And successive courts also never recognized the existence of any change in this area of the law.

therefore, ineligible to be the POTUS.

Based on the above, this is an incorrect conclusion.

The fact that this situation has been ignored by the Legislature and the Judiciary is a travesty and a failure to uphold their sworn oaths of office and MUST be corrected or the American people will take action to correct it.

The Legislature and the Judiciary have acted properly on this matter and are deserving of our respect. Any people who take the law into their own hands with their idiotic constitutional delusions should not be, and will not be tolerated.

As Barry continues to usurp power and take our rights and liberties from us, we are rapidly approaching critical mass.

As I see it, since the Kenyan “birth certificate” was exposed as a forgery last month, the birther movement has deservedly lost a lot of steam and credibility.

He would do well to tamp down the fire by releasing the necessary documentation – unless, of course, he's guilty.

Obama released the COLB last year, and this is the result. He is smart for not giving the birthers another second of his time. Frankly, I shouldn't be wasting any of my time on this, either, since it seems you're impervious to reason.

“Independent experts have shown that the COLBs shown on the various web sites are, indeed, forgeries”

One crackpot on the internet, Polarik, alleged the COLB was a fraud but produced an overlong mishmash of nonsense as a report. It was thourougly debunked by a real expect with a real doctorate, easily accessible on the internet.

Polarik has been exposed as a fraud, who has no expertise in document fraud. He no longer posts on Free Republic, the home haven of delusional birthers.

Mr, Birther Man, time to be reasonable and use some common sense.

Good question!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

The questions won’t go away until obama releases his hidden records. All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What and why is he hiding?

And maybe more disturbing is why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward that continues to be increased (currently $25 million) for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States? The answer is that Obama’s very own supporters also know he’s a fraud but choose to overlook it for political agenda reasons!

This link is a must read!

http://69.66.218.3/public/patriotsHeartVsObama/…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

I'm in a good mood, I got to verbally smack around a birther today. I was sitting there eating my lunch when this loud mouthed shrew parks herself in the booth behind me and starts yakking on her cell phone at top volume about how much she just LOVES Orly Taitz and how John Sinclair was framed and misunderstood and how she wants to print those Obama Joker posters.

I was practically rolling around on the ground laughing at her. So on the way out I decided to Say “hi”. One of us was left blithering and stuttering and talking about how everyone is being mean to them, and it wasn't me.

Like I said I am in a good mood.

You birthers are not only stupid, but boring too.

Like you're the genius with your “blog for obama” job that you got off Craigslist!!

Tell me wiseguy. In what hospital was obama born? You're a buffoon!

http://69.66.218.3/public/patriotsHeartVsObama/…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

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Don't believe anything this guy writes. He got his “blog for obama” job off of Craigslist!!

Check this out!!!

http://69.66.218.3/public/patriotsHeartVsObama/…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

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This link is a must read!

Yes, it sure is. But you should have told me not to read this while drinking my soda pop, because now I have to clean the wall on the other side of the room…

The complaint reads, in part…

“Because Soetoro has broken in and entered the White House by force of contrivance, concealment, conceit, dissembling and deceit, and has seized the seat of the Presidency and has stripped civilian command and control over the military of the United States of America with the intent of destroying and overthrowing the Constitution of the United States of America.”

You can't argue with this kind of unhinged lunacy. But the court can (and will) dismiss it.

Check this out!!!

http://69.66.218.3/public/patriotsHeartVsObama/…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

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better link

http://69.66.218.3/public/patriotsHeartVsObama/…
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These birthers have no idea how the rest of society views them. Perhaps they don't care, which is fine. But they are deluding themselves if they think they're winning any converts with their silly arguments or B-grade anti-heroes. Notwithstanding all the “We The People” talk, they are, and always will be, a fringe minority.

They remind me the type of person who walks around with a “kick me” sign on his back and thinks people are laughing because his jokes are witty.

Your excessive attachment to capital letters isn't persuading anyone.

I hope as many people as possible have a look at your link.

That poorly-written, poorly-reasoned, hyperbolic, hysterical excuse for a complaint should be enough to persuade most reasonable people that they've heard enough from the birthers for more than one lifetime.

Really! Let me try again then.

http://69.66.218.3/public/patriotsHeartVsObama/…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Howz that smart a$$?
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Sorry, but coming from a guy that's named after a toilet and a hepatitis type, I'm not impressed.

For those who may have missed this excellent link to a lawsuit re Dingle Barry. Check this

http://69.66.218.3/public/patriotsHeartVsObama/…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

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JohnC wrote, “I hope as many people as possible have a look at your link.”

I guess we finally agree on something.

Check this link everybody:

http://69.66.218.3/public/patriotsHeartVsObama/…

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

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Yes, we can definitely agree that this link deserves broad exposure.

Just as unpersuasive as before, but then I refer you to the time-honored definition of insanity…

Your posts are beginning to look a lot like repetitive spam.

Well, if a book of the Bible and five U.S. presidents were also named after a toilet and a hepatitis type, then I guess I can live with that. Thought-provoking and highly-relevant analysis, though.

My bad, let me change it up.

http://69.66.218.3/public/patriotsHeartVsObama/…

STOP HIDING, oBummer! SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Don't believe anything this guy writes.

Indeed, believe what CRAZY FOR CAPS captainsteve writes!!!!!111!!1exclamationpoint1

You quoting Einstein! hahahahahahahahahaha

John C you use the same Alinsky style tactics that so typify the antibither. I have far more respect for someone who is willing to persist in demanding a clear answer to such an important question, than for someone who ridicules that person. I’ll admit that Obama’s choice to spend over 2.3 million on legal fees mirrors his attitude toward spending American’s money but come on aren”t you curious John C? Are you curious what passport Obama/Soetoro used when traveling to Indonesia while Americans were banned from the country? Are you curious when the name change was done? Why all the confusion on birthplace. To a genuinely curious mind Fact Check and Snopes and the MSM are a joke. In the end Mr. John C the last laugh may well be directed at you. By the way I've seen your response so many times. Are you paid for you rudeness?

I agree. Don't trust me. Do your own research. Here's a good place to start.

Watch this video. You’ll see obama lie like a dog in his very own words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JKDTBOYKg

People need to wake up and see this lying fraud for who he is, an America hating, Saudi King bowing, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan usurper Chicago thug!

I have far more respect for someone who is willing to persist in demanding a clear answer to such an important question, than for someone who ridicules that person.

Birthers couch their line of attack against Obama as mere intellectual curiosity, ruthlessly squelched by uncurious, domineering persons defending “ignorance.” I hear what they say. But it rings hollow when judging the source.

Before I buy birther arguments that they are merely innocently seeking the truth, I'd like to see them treat ALL the issues with more intellectual honesty. They dismiss an official document issued by Hawaii as if it were the equivalent of toilet paper. They make assertions about the Constitution with little or no support in decisional law or historical fact, and ignore the long line of cases which I have presented which flatly contradicts their claims. They present legal arguments about about how Obama will be required to do this or that in the court of law without the slightest bit of understanding of civil/criminal procedure, or basic rules of evidence. Their factual scenarios are consistently based on a paranoid assumption of a wide and orchestrated web of deceit, intrigue, fraud, conspiracies, forgery, and grand schemes lasting over decades. When choosing between the plausible and the implausible, they constantly gravitate toward the latter.

To give you an idea of where I'm coming from, suppose you say that I'm a space alien from the planet Vulcan, made out of a toxic combination of swiss cheese and kryptonite. But there is a chance, you tell me, that I may actually be from Planet Earth and a real human being. All you need to do is see my birth certificate. Just a teensy peek. Now say I refuse your inquiry on the idea that it's stupid and a waste of my time to dignify such a question with any form of solemnity. Is that unfair? Am I uncurious? Am I necessarily hiding my true space alien identity because I don't bother replying? Or am I just being sane and practical?

I’ll admit that Obama’s choice to spend over 2.3 million on legal fees mirrors his attitude toward spending American’s money but come on aren”t you curious John C?

I'd be curious if there was the slightest bit of evidence that suggests this is in fact the truth.

Are you curious what passport Obama/Soetoro used when traveling to Indonesia while Americans were banned from the country?

I'd be curious if Americans actually WERE banned from traveling to Pakistan in 1981 (that's the birther claim, not Indonesia) – but the State Department and contemporary sources are clear that Americans were fully able to travel to Pakistan in 1981.

Are you curious when the name change was done?

There's no evidence of a name change. All we have is a single Indonesian school registration document, nothing more. (Which by the way lists “Barry Soetero's” place of birth as Honolulu, Hawaii.)

To a genuinely curious mind Fact Check and Snopes and the MSM are a joke.

Is that so? Why aren't you curious enough to consider THEIR claims? Or is curiosity a one-way street with you?

Uh, okay, that's a little better…

At last Birthers are getting loud. Go for it!!

Show us your birth certificate and we'll shut up. Until then, we're demonstrating and we're proud to be birthers.

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Oh, okay. Let the rest of sane/non-racist America know how that works out for you.

You should be demoted to a private or an airmen or whatever they do to scumbags like you.

Mantis, to be fair, they're also racists. If you're gonna list two of the three traits of a true birther, you might as well go all the way.

“Am I necessarily hiding my true space alien identity because I don't bother replying?”

Well, I'm not sure what you are hiding….The problem being, that your father actually WAS a human from earth, so it makes me wonder if perhaps you could be at least part human. Rumor has it that you grew up in a modest income family, yet you visited Jupiter and Saturn and attended ivy league higher institutes of learning. Your Vulcan grandmother and mother, both called you by a different name than you go by now – legal or otherwise. You must have some creditials from your years at the higher institutes of learning, but those have all been sealed from view, and frankly we are having a bit of trouble locating any other Vulcan's that remember you. You had a bad habit of cavorting with an unsavory bunch of Vulcan hooligans in your early political carerr and you make up stories about where and when your Vulcan mom and Human dad met. Geeze – and you think it is insane of us to wonder just WHO and WHAT you are?

Yeah, if you had lead a pretty mundane, ordinary Vulcan life with seemingly nothing hidden, no twists and turns, no Vulcan mom working on Saturn for the Ford Foundation with ties to your future Tax Cheat Treasury Sec, who you fight for tooth and nail to keep, even under the worst of circumstances (perhaps there are some pretty strong ties to your past there?) Perhaps, if you were just an ordinary Vulcan, you could thumb your nose at your constituents and say – get lost….but then if you were an ordinary Vulcan POTUS with no questionable past – I highly doubt anyone would be questioning your valitity as a Vulcan to begin with.

I don't need to see his BC to know he is not eligibile to be POTUS. I believe every word that Obama has said and if you do too – then you too should believe he is ineligilbe.

Obama said he was born in Hawaii – and I believe him.
Obama said he was governed at birth by British Law – and I believe him.
Obama said he is a Citizen of the World (one who pledges NO allegiance to ANY nation) – and I believe him.

How can a self-professed Citizen of the World who was governed by British Law at birth, be a Natural Born Citizen? He can't, and he isn't.

I believe Obama, do you?

Personally, I don't think or necessarily try to win people over to my way of thinking. Last time I checked, I was an American – with the ability to have a differing opinion than you without the fear of reprisal.

So when you all felt that the last 2 Bush elections were stolen and you cried and whinned for 8 years, should we have said the exact same things to you?

While I cannot speak for others, I did not. I had respect that you had an opinion and felt strongly enought to stand up for what you believed in. That you held to your convictions and rightly questioned your government where you felt there was a legitimate reason for doing so.

I just wished I could stop being called names for having a different belief than you. Stop being belittled, because I'm asking my government what I feel are legitimate questions. Because I stand up for what I believe and stick to my convictions – I guess I'll walk around with the 'kick me' sign on my back and allow people to laugh at me…it's the least I can do when I feel this country is being attacked from inside it's own government.

People need to wake up and see this lying fraud for who he is, an America hating, Saudi King bowing, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan usurper Chicago thug!

Well, at least you're not hysterical or anything in your hatred for President Obama.

Show us your birth certificate and we'll shut up.

Total BS.

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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:59:57 -0700 (PDT)

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Poor Sally, You are a victim of your beliefs. Believing things that aren't true opens you up to ridicule. You are on the wrong site if you don't want people to poke fun at your uninformed beliefs.
Do wear the, kick me, sign on your back so we know not to waste our time talking to you.

Sally, do you just simply cut and paste that template onto every blog you visit?

A few brief comments:

How can a self-professed Citizen of the World who was governed by British Law at birth, be a Natural Born Citizen? He can't, and he isn't.

Obama has indeed called himself a “citizen of the world.” If this proves Obama is not loyal to the United States, I'm afraid President Reagan was equally culpable:

“I speak today as both a citizen of the United States and of the world.”

– Ronald Reagan, speech to the United Nations General Assembly, June 17, 1982. See http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid….

And as for Obama's status as a dual citizen at birth, I once again ask for a single atom or tittle of evidence that any of the Founding Fathers intended that a person could not become President of the United States unless exactly two of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth on U.S. soil.

Birthers pay a lot of lip service to words used by the Founders, like “allegiance,” “foreigner,” and so on – but these do not logically imply the two-citizen-parent requirement, nor did definitions of those terms as commonly used in late eighteenth-century America carry those implications. And of course, the common-law predecessor of natural born citizen – “natural born subject” – did not carry this requirement. Nor did courts in the early years of the republic adhere to this supposed requirement. If the Founding Fathers intended this requirement, they kept it well hidden from the rest of the country. (Except for Chester Arthur, that evil constitutional genius and bête noire of constitutional “scholar” Leo Donofrio.)

The evidence for the two-citizen-parent requirement, in short, is MIA.

That would definitely make for an interesting morning. I wonder whether the judge will be amused when the esteemable Ms. Taitz inevitably calls him/her a “brownshirt.”

You have to be nice to the afterbirthers, they are frightened children who don't take criticism well. If you keep correcting them they will get angry and start spewing venom at you.
You are a hired Obama blogger, part of the vast left wing conspiracy, paid to silence them.

I can't wait for Oily Taint to lose her law license for filing these frivolous lawsuits.
The afterbirthers will be rending their garments and gnashing their teeth for the next 7.5 years.

Personally, I don't think or necessarily try to win people over to my way of thinking. Last time I checked, I was an American – with the ability to have a differing opinion than you without the fear of reprisal.

I'm not sure I get your point. Whether or not you are persuasive has nothing to do with your right to make your case.

So when you all felt that the last 2 Bush elections were stolen and you cried and whinned for 8 years, should we have said the exact same things to you?

I never believed either election was stolen, and I thought those who said so were idiots. I do think the Supreme Court had no business getting involved in the 2000 recount, as there was no legitimate federal issue to decide. Not suprisingly, the Court in Bush v. Gore issued an opinion that was so bungled, it had to declare that its ruling on the equal protection clause wasn't even precedential.

While I cannot speak for others, I did not. I had respect that you had an opinion and felt strongly enought to stand up for what you believed in. That you held to your convictions and rightly questioned your government where you felt there was a legitimate reason for doing so.

I appreciate your sentiments, but I was not among those who questioned the legitimacy of the government. As I said, I did question the way the Supreme Court went about its reasoning in 2000, but I never doubted that it had the last word on the issue.

I just wished I could stop being called names for having a different belief than you. Stop being belittled, because I'm asking my government what I feel are legitimate questions.

I understand your perspective and sincere beliefs. Normally, I would just simply say, fine, she's entitled to ask any question she wants and leave it at that. But making statements that claim or insinuate that our democratically-elected President is not the President is not the usual difference of opinion. It legitimizes the notion that the President of the United States is a usurper, who therefore must be removed by any means possible, perhaps through violence. That is a serious red flag, and given the current incendiary political climate, it is the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater. If there's a fire, fine. But if there's no fire, it's inexcusable. The notion that a person born on U.S. soil, whose parents are neither diplomats or nationals of an occupying power, is somehow not an natural born citizen goes against hundreds of federal and state court decisions and our long rich common law heritage. In essence, there is no “fire” in the theater.

Furthermore, I would expect that you would make an effort to see it from my point of view. Many of the persons who I have dealt with have been extremely discourteous, both with regard to President Obama and anyone who so much as supports his right to serve. Captainsteve and his ilk deride President Obama as everything but Satan incarnate. Those who believe he is President without qualification are labeled as “Obamabots” or followers of “The One” or “The Messiah,” and dismissed as paid shills, in on some supposed conspiracy. Such juvenile behavior cries out for ridicule, and I don't apologize for providing it.

I do respect the tone and sentiments by which you offer your thoughts, though. It is much appreciated.

What 'template' would you be referring to? Actually, I've never encountered a anyone that likened themselves to a Vulcan. So, no, I've never posted anything like that before.

If you are referring to the – I believe Obama – it's not a template or copied from anywhere. To my knowledge, I've never read that anywhere else – came straight out of my mind. I don't have it typed anywhere handy, to copy / paste from. I type it fresh on each blog that I comment on……not on each blog I visit, since I only comment on about 1/10th of the ones I visit.

As far as Reagan goes – you might just be right. However, he NEVER exhibited or said the treasonous acts/comments that Obama has. I don't recall Reagan ever bowing to the Saudi Prince – I'm not aware of Reagan celebrating Ramadan in the White House – while he did have Czars, he didn't have 2 doz of them and I'm pretty sure they didn't believe in un-American ideals such as Sharia Law, Transnationalism, Population Control, etc. There is a stark difference in one who professes to be a Citizen of the World through symbolism but exhibits NO acts counter to that of his own nation and one who professes to not only BE a Citizen of the World but behaves as though he has NO allegiance to any nation. Obama wants to wander around kisses the arses of anyone who he feels might be his friend (you'd think he had been bullied incesently on the playground when he was young)- I think the man has serious self-respect issues. He needs to feel as though everyone likes him – he is in the wrong business. I'm of the opinion these foreign leaders are laughing at him and at us. He can apologize for what he considers our past transgressions against the world, but as long as we send as much money (comprised of my tax dollars) to nations around the world, I refuse to apologize for anything. Actions speak much louder than words.

I don't know what the 'birthers' do or don't do – I'm not a 'birther', I'm an American – just like you. I happen to have an opposing view, and therefore in your eyes I'm a 'this' or a 'that' – but certainly not an American in your eyes. This country is becoming more and more divided each day because we can't seem to tolerate opposing views, while understanding we are ALL Americans and we must band together. What happened to that feeling that we all had the days and weeks after 9-11? We were all just Americans then – it was us against them. Just a few short years later, it is American against American – if I were our enemy, I would be delighting in our in-fighting, our inability to come together and join as one, regardless of our disagreements.

I have more respect for you than to call you names – I never refer to anyone as an Obot, or drinking the kool-aid – that is just totally disrespectful and in my opinion, UN-American.

As far as your arguement. I see your point. I think the NBC issue is left open for interpretationn and a court needs to settle this issue so we can put it behind us. If I were on your side, my arguement would be exactly what yours is. It's grounded and has some merit. However, on the flip side, I feel the founders did want a full generation worth of allegiance for the POTUS. If not, why wouldn't simply a US Citizen be sufficient wording for the requirement? NBC is not a catagory of citizenship, it's a pathway of attaining eligibility to be POTUS. If not, why include an exception for themselves. If dual-allegiance was acceptable, then why make such a fuss over the qualifications – just simply say – POTUS must be a US Citizen. Obama freely admits he was born with dual-citizenship. I think it becomes clear why the founders intended for POTUS to be free of foreign influence when we examine Obama's actions. Why travel to Kenya, well after the age of 23, to campaign for a Paternal Relative who believes in Sharia Law? Why then lie about it and say you were never there when you clearly were recorded while there? Why appoint Harold Koh to your legal counsel – a man who not only also believes in Sharia Law but Transnationalism? The questions just continue and there are no answers! I believe there is evidence within case history for the need of 2 US Parents – obviously you don't. If we accept your line of thinking – and we allow Obama's presidency to set precedent – we could be looking at a future President whos father is Osama Bin Ladin, or Kim Jung Il, or, Castro – but hey, as long as the monther is a US Citizen and she dropped that baby on US soil – more power to them, right? I say no.

You can slice and dice the arguement in as many different segments as you want. You can turn them this way and that way, and create a pretty picture with them. But I think common sense tells us we need to see the WHOLE pie, and not just the parts that Obama wants and allows us to see. I could be wrong, and actually, I hope and pray that I am. But I just believe there is more to Obama than what we are allowed to see – and my gut tells me it isn't good. Again, I pray that I'm wrong and you are right.

Yes, this is exactly what I was referring to. Wayoutwest probably doesn't even consider me to be an American, because I don't subscribe to his beliefs. I'm just a poor ignorant imbicile who just doesn't know any better and am so far out of touch with reality there is absolutely no hope for me. And wasting your precious time to talk to me – would just go against your American way.

I was brought up with the idea that we respect one another – I'm sorry for you, and I do hope you treat people better face to face than you do when you are hiding behind that monitor.

I'm curious – my opposition has boundaries? I don't see how my beliefs and statements legitimize anything. Obama is still the President and as far as I can tell, he will be until he has served two terms or is voted out of office – barring any unseen changes to the way things stand now.

While I respect the office, I cannot respect Obama. Not because I think he is ineligible to be POTUS, but because of his actions and what I can so far discern of his beliefs and ideals. I am not one of those who was blind-sided by his politics. To be honest, when it came down to him or McCain, I took a VERY serious look at this man. I was hopeful that he could be the next great leader of our time. While sitting in a doctor's office one day, I read an article on Obama in TIME magazine. I was floored at what this man stood for and to this day, I'm still floored when people say – he is not who I thought the was, or this isn't the change I voted for. I say WHAT? Did you not listen to the man? He was very honest and forthright with his political views prior to the election – there are and have been NO surprises…at least in my opinion. So, again while I don't respect him – I simply can't (he goes against everything I believe in) – I do respect the office and will show him respect through that venue.

I don't believe we can put boundaries or stipulations on what we can and cannot question of our Government. I do not support violence of any kind over this issue. We are supposed to be a civilized people with a court system to settle our differences. I don't believe questioning the legitimacy of a President is the equivalent of calling fire in a crowded building at all. And unlike you – I don't believe those you felt the Bush elections were stolen were idiots. They were American standing up for what they believed. They had every right to question the elections – especially since there were issues and actions to question! While I believe the courts IS the place to settle arguments – the courts have become politicized and I think we can all see they tend to be more about making legislation than interpreting it.

When this all first came up, I thought humpt – the CIA / FBI – surely some agency out there is checking this all out and has cleared him. Well, come to find out – there is no agency that checks his credentials. No one checked his eligibility – we have more stringent eligibility checks on kids that play Little League than we have on a man who runs for President!!!! He is automatically given security clearance when he became a Senator and automatically given the highest clearance when he became POTUS. Personally, I just find that troubling – in light of the few facts that we do know and the large amount of what we don't know about Obama – I feel justified in questioning whether he is eligible or not. I'm not making any wild accusations – just asking that the courts take a look – INTERPRET the law and tell me – yes, he is eligible. You can say he was elected by a mandate from the people and that is all that is necessary – but We the People are not lawyers, we are not career politicians, and we are not in the habit of understanding all the intracacies of political life. We (or at least I) was asleep at the wheel. I was busy raising a family, working, and paying bills. I voted and trusted those in office to look out for my best interest. My kids have moved away, and I'm retired, and I'm no longer asleep at the wheel. I'm tired of being lied to, I'm tired of them not reading what they vote for, I'm tired of things being slipped into bills at the last moment or in the middle of the night, generally, I'm just tired of the corruption.

And if anyone should be above the fray – it should be the President. He should be the most transparent, most accomodating poltician of them all. He works for ALL of us – not the other way around. I've never had an employer ask me for some information and I simply ignored him or thumbed my nose at him – I fear I would be fired by doing so.

Don't feel sorry for me Sally. I'm not the one on the claiming to be the victim.
It's difficult to have respect for people who ignore facts and cling to beliefs and paranoia.

The Supreme Court looked at this matter and decided that there was no merit to the accusations. What higher court do we have to resolve this nonsense?

You are definitely an American, there are many like you in this country including some in my family. Facts do not convince you because you have beliefs. I have lost a number of friends in the last year because of their irrational response to the election of President Barack Hussein Obama.

I understand your fear of change, the world is changing and you have lost control, get used to it.

Democracy is the worst kind of government in the world, except for all the others.

The sleeping pills you took during the Cheney-Bush era must have been potent if you are just waking up now.

What 'template' would you be referring to? Actually, I've never encountered a anyone that likened themselves to a Vulcan. So, no, I've never posted anything like that before.

I was referring to the fact that you've posted that “I believe Obama” line in the comments section of other blogs – and I have responded to it. The Vulcan example was completely unconnected to that observation.

I don't recall Reagan ever bowing to the Saudi Prince – I'm not aware of Reagan celebrating Ramadan in the White House

One of the things that President Obama campaigned on was his desire to remake our frayed relationships with many countries – especially those in the Middle East in the wake of the Iraq war. I see his efforts to make positive outreach as a benign and useful effort, ranging from his first interview with an Arab network, to his tough love speech in Cairo several months ago. If Obama bowed to the Saudi prince, I'll cut the guy some slack – he was new in office and doesn't know the protocol. As far as celebrating Ramadan goes, I know for a fact the Bush administration also offered Ramadan greetings and tributes, although it wasn't as open or got the coverage Obama's did.

He can apologize for what he considers our past transgressions against the world, but as long as we send as much money (comprised of my tax dollars) to nations around the world, I refuse to apologize for anything.

Obama has apologized for some of our excesses, but I notice that when he chides those same countries for their shortcomings, that gets zero airplay on conservative outlets. The conservative media has already created its meme for Obama, and they have no problem parsing and shoehorning his comments to fit into that package.

I do think Obama is right to offer, as he calls it, an “outreached hand.” But I don't think it will stay outreached for long. But when Obama is inevitably forced to take a harder line as some of his overtures are rebuffed, he gets to take the political high ground that he made a genuine effort to mend fences. Taking a consistently hard-line approach to everything may feel self-gratifying, but it often frustrates our tangible interests on the ground.

I happen to have an opposing view, and therefore in your eyes I'm a 'this' or a 'that' – but certainly not an American in your eyes.

I'm sorry you think that, but that's completely untrue. No matter how radical a position the person takes, I still believe that person deep inside feels he or she is doing it out of a patriotic duty to their country. I have never questioned anyone's loyalty or patriotism to this country. But when someone espouses misguided legal theories or erroneous facts – especially on a topic of this import – I believe it is important to call that person out, and, if necessary, point out the underlying flawed belief system that I think is behind it.

I feel the founders did want a full generation worth of allegiance for the POTUS. If not, why wouldn't simply a US Citizen be sufficient wording for the requirement?

There is simply no direct relationship between the natural born citizen requirement and an additional generational requirement. The notes of the debates by the Founding Fathers makes it clear that they were most concerned that a foreign person (which meant not originally from the country) could simply come the United States, somehow become a citizen, and become president. Specifically, they appeared to be most concerned about a particular German prince who was said to have designs on heading the United States. Remember, this was in at the twilight of an era where countries were frequently brought into war with one another over the actions of foreign-born monarchs.

The natural born citizen requirement neatly resolves this problem. If a person wasn't born a citizen of the United States, he couldn't simply become naturalized and then become president. This would automatically and forever prevent foreign-born persons from getting control of the government. To accomplish this, an extra generational requirement is simply superfluous.

Obama freely admits he was born with dual-citizenship. I think it becomes clear why the founders intended for POTUS to be free of foreign influence when we examine Obama's actions.

The Founding Fathers were not focused on becoming free of foreign influence so much as they were concerned about foreigners having influence – a very different issue. Note that John Jay's letter refers to “foreigners,” not influence.

Furthermore, by Leo Donofrio's argument, all of Obama's problems would have been solved if Barack Obama, Sr. had simply naturalized before Obama Jr. was born. But this wouldn't have changed the fact that Obama had relatives in Kenya, or that his mother could divorce his natural father and remarry in Indonesia. So there's a base superficiality at the heart of the two-citizen-parent requirement argument.

Why travel to Kenya, well after the age of 23, to campaign for a Paternal Relative who believes in Sharia Law?

In Muslim Africa, as with the Arab Middle East, most Muslims believe in some form of Sharia Law. By your argument, Obama can't have anything to do with most Muslims outside of this country.

The questions just continue and there are no answers! I believe there is evidence within case history for the need of 2 US Parents – obviously you don't.

I am well versed on Leo Donofrio's arguments, especially with Wong Kim Ark, and I find them tortured and unreasonable. For example, if we were to buy his arguments that Wong Kim Ark distinguished between natural born citizens, and domestically-born, but non-natural born citizens, the entire thrust of that opinion becomes utterly unintelligible – and all on the basis of one line that Donofrio takes out of context from the very paragraph in which it is found.

If we accept your line of thinking – and we allow Obama's presidency to set precedent – we could be looking at a future President whos father is Osama Bin Ladin, or Kim Jung Il, or, Castro – but hey, as long as the monther is a US Citizen and she dropped that baby on US soil – more power to them, right?

It's true. A child of any of these idiots, born on U.S. soil, at least theoretically can become president. But remember that Article II, Section 1 also requires that the president be a resident of the United States for at least 14 years. That means someone can't just parachute in from some godforsaken place and run for president. And, given all that, such a character would also have to defeat his opponents in party primaries and fundraising, and then go on to win the general election. So your scenario, while not logically impossible, is highly, HIGHLY improbable. (You stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning THREE times.)

Again, thanks for your thoughts.

I'm curious – my opposition has boundaries? I don't see how my beliefs and statements legitimize anything. Obama is still the President and as far as I can tell, he will be until he has served two terms or is voted out of office – barring any unseen changes to the way things stand now.

Obviously, you are free to say what you wish. I'm in no position to order you to say something or prohibit you from saying something else. And I wouldn't want that responsibility even if could have it.

But I do think that any claim that President Obama is not actually the President, without strong and unmistakeable evidence, is very dangerous and inflammatory. And on those grounds, I feel obligated to counter such claims at every turn.

I don't accuse you in particular of seeking to have Obama deposed or assassinated or anything else outrageous. But I think you should at least consider what effect throwing around casual questions about presidential eligibility has on people who are not so much curious to know the truth as they are convinced that “Barry Soetero aka Barack Obama” has committed “breaking and entering” into the White House in an attempt to overthrow the Constitution, and therefore should be frogmarched to the nearest prison cell if nothing else. This is essentially what one grand jury petition in the District Court for the District of Columbia is alleging and seeking. People fervently believe this stuff.

So, again while I don't respect him – I simply can't (he goes against everything I believe in) – I do respect the office and will show him respect through that venue.

That's fine with me.

And unlike you – I don't believe those you felt the Bush elections were stolen were idiots. They were American standing up for what they believed.

Fair enough. My characterization was poor. But I still believe they were seriously misguided at best on the substance of their arguments.

Well, come to find out – there is no agency that checks his credentials.

There never has been. Whether or not there will be is up to the people and the politicians of course. But I think in the future we would be better off if we simply got rid of the natural born citizen requirement altogether, did away with the birth certificate paper chase (which has to look completely idiotic to the rest of the world) and focused on the actual content of a person's service to this country.

Personally, I just find that troubling – in light of the few facts that we do know and the large amount of what we don't know about Obama – I feel justified in questioning whether he is eligible or not.

Sally, as I get to know your approach from your comments, I must say I respect what appears to be your genuine interest in the issue. I take it from the thrust of some of your prior comments that you are at least familiar with the anti-eligibility arguments of Leo Donofrio, Orly Taitz, Phil Berg, and so on. I recognize that they make very elaborate arguments that may strike a non-attorney as impressive, well-versed, and learned. They also have very prominent voices on the web.

I have dealt directly with Donofrio on his website, providing him with plenty of case law disputing his take. Rather than dealing with me in an intellectually honest way, he cropped my quotes, deleted others, argued against a straw man, and then made a few ad hominem attacks to impress his readers. But he never did engage anything of substance I had to say. That tells me all I need to know about the inherent strength of his arguments.

As an attorney myself, I would only suggest that you carefully consider the arguments that they won't offer you or dismiss out of hand. I have made every attempt to counter every bogus legal claim about Obama's eligibility on this board over the past few weeks – in great detail (and to my wife's endless frustration). I encourage you to look up some of these discussions under Dave Weigel's earlier articles, take in the facts, then do your own research. Don't just take my word for it.

Hey Sally. Are you stating that President Obama isn’t qualified to be President OR that he is making decisions that displease you?

You have a lot of information that isn’t true and some that is true that is mixed in with information that isn’t true.
For instantance; “Obama said he is a Citizen of the World (one who pledges NO allegiance to ANY nation)”
President Obama never said “pledges NO allegiance to ANY nation”.

President Obama never said “Obama said he was governed at birth by British Law.”

If you know something that I don't please provide links.

This is just a small example. President Obama isn’t the enemy from within that some would like us to believe.

I’m not sure if you are pro military but please look over this link. I cannot provide the original text because it is on Joint Forces Quarterly and you have to subscribe to view it. I provided that link as well in case you are interested.
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Press/NDUPress_JFQ_List…
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/world/28milit…

You were upset that:
“I'm not aware of Reagan celebrating Ramadan in the White House…”
“Obama said he is a Citizen of the World”

Admiral Mike Mullen wrote:
“The Muslim community “is a subtle world we don’t fully — and don’t always attempt to — understand,” he wrote. “Only through a shared appreciation of the people’s culture, needs and hopes for the future can we hope ourselves to supplant the extremist narrative.””

I think President Obama is trying to do what Admiral Mullen is referring to. President George W Bush gave speeches that played well in Texas but hurt us in the world. I think I want our President to have a world view. Especially when we have so many troops in harms way. The President and troops should work together to destroy the Al-Qaeda.

You may not agree with our President. There is many times that President Obama does things that I think are totally wrong. But if President Obama did everything that I think he should do, I would be happy for about 10 seconds until I realized that he isn’t any smarter than I am.

If you are sincere, I would love to continue this discussion. You seem like a sincere.

Wow.

Let's get this straight.

“Dr. Orly” is now hiring an attorney to practice law for her, since she is so bad at it herself.

“Dr. Orly” has also hired an assistant to type for her.

“Dr.Orly's” assistant is now seeking “and” old car, or furniture, or household items, or a moving truck, or unpaid labor, to help the new attorney get settled into what are no doubt posh digs at Dr. Orly's granny unit.

Anyone wanna bet that the new lawyer is not exactly a Harvard Law grad?

But the real question is, who is paying Evelyn Bradley's salary, since “Dr. Orly” cannot even come up with the money to pay for her own airline tickets, car rentals, hotel stays, or restaurant meals?

And what's Evelyn Bradley's health care plan like? I bet she would do better under President Obama's plan.

No way. First of all you wouldn't shut up if we showed you our birth certificates.

Wait, who did you address your post to? Whose birth certificate are you asking for when you indicate “your?”

You don't seriously think President Obama wrote this article, or that he's reading these comments, do you?

Wow, even for a birther, you're dumb. Quick question: are you seeing anyone? Cause I know a guy named “naturalborn” who would be PERFECT for you. Don't worry, his dad's not British, so he's like totally eligible to date you and you two and each not have any idea how to make little natural born citizens.

But even if we get past your stupidity, why would we EVER want you to shut up? You're free advertising for all Democrats and all liberal causes. It'd be like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

And don't get my hopes up. You're not “demonstrating.” I only wish you would do so. It's been a while since we've had any hilarious video footage of idiots with birth certificates in ziplocked bags reciting the Pledge for no apparent reason.

Get on the stick, doofus. You're slacking.

“…Alinsky style tactics that so typify the antibither.”

Hey, what's an “antibither?” Is it like antimatter? I can't see it with my naked eye, so I don't know for sure.

Is it like “afterburner?” Cause, dude, that'd be SO cool if it was. VROOOOM!

JohnC already picked your post apart, so I don't have to tell you about your silly invented lies like 2.3 million on legal fees, Indonesia travel when Americans were banned (they weren't banned there OR in Pakistan, which is what you meant to write), or his name change that didn't change his name.

“Are you paid for you rudeness?”

It's a nice compliment that you think JohnC is paid to write his thoughts on this comment board. You're stupid for thinking that. But your stupidity must be taken for the implicit compliment that it is.

Are you paid for “you” idiocy? You certainly aren't paid to write. Or think.

“Their factual scenarios are consistently based on a paranoid assumption of a wide and orchestrated web of deceit, intrigue, fraud, conspiracies, forgery, and grand schemes lasting over decades.”

Dude, I totally blew past the intrigue. I got all hung up on the racism, xenophobia, and functional illiteracy.

But I'm a sucker for intrigue. Do you by chance have a link?

Sally. Come now. Be honest.

You don't expect us to take you seriously.

How could Obama, or JohnC, or anyone, be from Jupiter or Saturn? You know good and well that the moon landing was faked. Men are not from Mars, and women are not from Venus.

Shame on you for thinking you could fool us. We are free thinking people who believe only what Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck tell us. And they haven't said shit about anyone being from Jupiter or Saturn.

Better luck next time, chica.

By the way, have you got any evidence that Dr. Janice Fukino was lying when she told us that she saw the original vital records and confirmed that they indicate President Obama was born in Honolulu?

No?

Ok, cool, just checking. By the way, if it doesn't work out between naturalborn and jaii, you might be interested in naturalborn. He's not a foreigner. And I don't think he'd mind that you're not real swift.

I always like your initial approach to the less-gifted birthers, Jim.

When they ignore your polite requests, you can then smack them around with impunity.

I come at it from the other angle and treat them with only as much respect as their posts demonstrate they are entitled to. In other words I mock them for writing idiotic drivel.

I think I just end up skipping a step compared to you.

Which is why I'm always a few people ahead of you in the lunch line here at Obotblogging Central Station. Which is totally awesome when the cafeteria is serving pizza or sloppy joes.

Not just flying, but flying and flying. Evelyn Bradley, another sucker. Are you sure it is not Mission Pendajo?

What a silly world. These poor pathetic creatures begging for survival at the expense of others. Really sick. Birthers are bulls hit. Hell does need some fodder for the fire. Their stuff is treasoneous.

Well big freaking suprise there, she was in the land of Ashcroft Springfield, MO….whacked out bible thumpers who haven't had a progressive thought since electricity was invented. That area in SWMO is so right of center, I think Rush must have an 80% approval rating down there. I think there was some right wing nut case car dealer giving away guns or ammo when you buy a car.

A relative of mine teaches down there and some redneck student and this is college, said he was going to get a gun and shoot Obama, well he also put some pretty racial terms in his statement.

Barney Frank had the best response to one of these idiots, its too bad more politicians don't follow in his footsteps.

I hope your relative let the Secret Service know about that threat.

The bad thing about the brithers, besides the fact that they are whacko…is that they are armed whacko's. They blow up cars, shoot at anything that moves and wear white sheets when they go their town hall meetings.

I have a few questions for all the birthers: how do you squeeze those tinfoil hats under the hoods of your klan robes? And does the heat from the all those burning crosses make it easier for the space Muslims to read your thoughts?

The birthers, the tea baggers, the screamers, and the deathers continued extreme minority presence will become tiresome to mainstream America, if it has not already done so. To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true, if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it. In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”. I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC).

Where in the hell was all this outrage about policy when G W Bush lead the USA in to war, that was not funded and was based on flat out lies…………. If it is not race what is it. It can not be about the money being spent the 43rd pres spent nearly as much.