Rep. Joe Barton: Republicans Will Repeal Health Care Reform If It Passes

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Monday, August 31, 2009 at 12:27 pm

On a conference call last month, Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) hedged a little bit on the question of whether Republicans, if they won a congressional majority in 2010, would repeal a health care bill passed by the 111th Congress. Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) is not hedging.

If they somehow manage to get the votes and get enough Democrats to walk the plank and commit political suicide, in the next Congress, I’ll be chairman Joe Barton of the Energy and Commerce committee, and we’ll repeal it.

Of course, even the most optimistic strategists would call it extremely unlikely that Republicans could get a veto-proof majority in 2010, so this is bluster. But it speaks to Republican confidence that blocking any health care reform is a political winner.

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Anonymous
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Please explain how a tax break would help? The median income in this country is $50K. Insurance for a family of 4 is typically in excess of $7600 per year, almost 1/5 of $50K. For those with pre-existing conditions, they can’t even get insurance. The GOP has thrown out $5K as a number (per person?…per family?) At $5K per person that’s 1.5 trillion. Is that going to be annually? Or one time only? If annually, that’s 15 trillion in 10 years. If by family, that’s $58 billion annually. In 10 years, 5.8 trillion.

If it’s a tax break, you would have to buy the coverage to get the tax break. If you can’t afford the coverage to begin with, how would a tax break help you?

Selling insurance across state lines has numerous problems. First and foremost, the Interstate Commerce laws. Secondly, state insurance commissioners are responsible for regulating insurance industries – making sure they are not over leveraged, are handling claims properly, responding to complaints. Who would be responsible for that consumer protection, etc. when each state has different laws pertaining to these issues? All insurance companies need to do to sell insurance in another state, is to register in that state. Why then have they not done that? Because different states require certain minimum coverage in a policy. If they started selling in other states, they would be required to provide that state’s coverage. Be careful what you wish for.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Please explain how a tax break would help? The median income in this country is $50K. Insurance for a family of 4 is typically in excess of $7600 per year, almost 1/5 of $50K. For those with pre-existing conditions, they can’t even get insurance. The GOP has thrown out $5K as a number (per person?…per family?) At $5K per person that’s 1.5 trillion. Is that going to be annually? Or one time only? If annually, that’s 15 trillion in 10 years. If by family, that’s $58 billion annually. In 10 years, 5.8 trillion.

If it’s a tax break, you would have to buy the coverage to get the tax break. If you can’t afford the coverage to begin with, how would a tax break help you?

Selling insurance across state lines has numerous problems. First and foremost, the Interstate Commerce laws. Secondly, state insurance commissioners are responsible for regulating insurance industries – making sure they are not over leveraged, are handling claims properly, responding to complaints. Who would be responsible for that consumer protection, etc. when each state has different laws pertaining to these issues? All insurance companies need to do to sell insurance in another state, is to register in that state. Why then have they not done that? Because different states require certain minimum coverage in a policy. If they started selling in other states, they would be required to provide that state’s coverage. Be careful what you wish for.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Article 1, Section 8. “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”

That means our taxes are meant to go, not just to the defense budget, not just to paying China back for the Iraq war, but to “the general welfare”, e.g. single payer, or at least the public option that will introduce the real competition that “We, the people” in “a more perfect union” can wield against the profit-driven-only health industry so that everyone can have healthcare. Nowhere does it enshrine some capitalistic, free market, total deregulation, protecting big private corporations at all costs philosophy. Real competition would bring down costs and that’s why Big Pharma and Big Healthcare are scared to death.

The law of the land clearly puts the general welfare on an equal footing with national defense. The fact that many are opposed to “spending my taxes on someone who’s not willing to work as hard as I do, blah, blah, blah.” is irrelevant, we’re talking about the general welfare not the happiness of a minority of selfish malcontents who appear to prefer a system where they’ve managed to pay a premium increase of over 400% in the last eight years, or who think that premiums rising at three times the rate of wages is somehow saving them money, and that having the highest rate of health care bankruptcies is a sign of a successful system.

It’s likely that if a public option or single payer passes that in 10 years pretty much everybody will wonder how we ever got along without it, our ranking on healthcare would improve dramatically, and anyone who wants to live in the 37th worst nation will have to move to another, less developed country.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Article 1, Section 8. “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”

That means our taxes are meant to go, not just to the defense budget, not just to paying China back for the Iraq war, but to “the general welfare”, e.g. single payer, or at least the public option that will introduce the real competition that “We, the people” in “a more perfect union” can wield against the profit-driven-only health industry so that everyone can have healthcare. Nowhere does it enshrine some capitalistic, free market, total deregulation, protecting big private corporations at all costs philosophy. Real competition would bring down costs and that’s why Big Pharma and Big Healthcare are scared to death.

The law of the land clearly puts the general welfare on an equal footing with national defense. The fact that many are opposed to “spending my taxes on someone who’s not willing to work as hard as I do, blah, blah, blah.” is irrelevant, we’re talking about the general welfare not the happiness of a minority of selfish malcontents who appear to prefer a system where they’ve managed to pay a premium increase of over 400% in the last eight years, or who think that premiums rising at three times the rate of wages is somehow saving them money, and that having the highest rate of health care bankruptcies is a sign of a successful system.

It’s likely that if a public option or single payer passes that in 10 years pretty much everybody will wonder how we ever got along without it, our ranking on healthcare would improve dramatically, and anyone who wants to live in the 37th worst nation will have to move to another, less developed country.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

It note I am a little unclear in my next to last sentence. To clarify:

If they sold across state lines, without being registered in those states, they might not be required to sell the minimum coverage required by that state.

Also, you might want to look up the word “Marxism” for a fuller understanding of that philosophy.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

It note I am a little unclear in my next to last sentence. To clarify:

If they sold across state lines, without being registered in those states, they might not be required to sell the minimum coverage required by that state.

Also, you might want to look up the word “Marxism” for a fuller understanding of that philosophy.


DTL57
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

I think deeann78626 has not yet fallen catastrophically ill as evidenced by the policy she’s purchased and continues to enjoy still being in effect. when deeann78626 does become catastrophically ill the insurer will find something in deeann78626′s medical history that will disqualify her from the costly treatment she requires and she’ll be denied coverage. Then deeann78626 will have the pleasure of choosing for her self without any government intervention, the same awful choices the rest of us peons have to make: spend ourselves into bankruptcy and homelessness due the exorbidant cost of treating illness under our perverse system or keep what little we were able to save and die a horrible death.


DTL57
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

I think deeann78626 has not yet fallen catastrophically ill as evidenced by the policy she’s purchased and continues to enjoy still being in effect. when deeann78626 does become catastrophically ill the insurer will find something in deeann78626′s medical history that will disqualify her from the costly treatment she requires and she’ll be denied coverage. Then deeann78626 will have the pleasure of choosing for her self without any government intervention, the same awful choices the rest of us peons have to make: spend ourselves into bankruptcy and homelessness due the exorbidant cost of treating illness under our perverse system or keep what little we were able to save and die a horrible death.


ramon
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

Jackass.


DrFitz
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

They are totally insane and out of touch with the opinion of the majority of voters. They've drunk the kool aid of lobbyist and extreme fringe citizen views. Clueless.


Danownsyou
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

There is only one reason why Republicans are coming out to defeat the Democratic efforts for health care reform; If the Democrats pass a health care bill with a viable public option the Republicans will not win the Presidency or congressional majority (either side) for at least a generation. In Washington everything can be boiled down to money or power. Period.


Franklin
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

A fine exmaple of the obstructionist party fighting hard for the insurance companies. Each day it is becoming more and more difficult to ever vote for a republican again.

Semper Fi


christie
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

Yep, Country First! Hypocrite, thy name is Republican.


ty
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

well this makes the public very cautious about voting for republicans because they don't care about the people , all they care about is power and money in their pockets from special interests , if you don't have health insurance , tough luck , republicans don't care about you .
what a good way of garnering for votes , Mr burton , you won't be chairman , don't start getting the curtains yet . you are just greedy .


Dolmance
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

Yeah, they thought George Bush was a political winner too.


MarilynB
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Hypocrit, thy name is Democrat! The American people do NOT want this health care bill to pass because it destroys what's working in the process of atttempting to fix what's not. You don't dismantle an entire system that 80% of Americans are happy with to insure the 20 million (not including illegals and those not wanting insurance) that don't have it. You insure the 20 million. How much clearer is that? Where is Tort reform in this bill? It's not there because Obama and half of Congress are lawyers. Trial lawyers donated MILLIONS of dollars to democrats, even the idiot Dean admitted it at a town hall meeting. Funny, how you put a democrat on the spot he has a way of actually telling the truth for once. Where is Medicaid and Medicare reform? They are going broke, sure let's throw another government program in there when so many of the others are going bankrupt. Even the president said the post office is having problems! What an idiot. His inexperience is definitely showing. Those that voted for him are now regretting it big time. Too bad they didn't stop drinking the kool-aid BEFORE the election. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I am an American who sees the road this country is headed down under this marxist president and his “advisors”. The American people won't let that happen.


dissidentdave
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

Wow. Are you ignorant for a living, or do you just do freelance work?


chgoblue
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

And Sarah Palin! LMAO…


MAINEGURU
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

If the words of good ol' boy “six pack Joe Barton” don't energize the flat footed Democrat push for pubic healthcare than Joe might as well walk up and smack Barrack in the face!


CeciliaB
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

I am an American and I want it. WITH the public option.


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

But, not negotiating (compromising beyond anything recognizable as reform) on health care with them wouldn't be bipartisan. And, it would make David Broder cry.


Franklin
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

MarilynB, thanks for my daily dosage of Hannity and Limbaugh talking points. Well this “American” that has done 2 tours in Iraq is tired of hearing you and the extreme right fringe of the GOP speak like you guys are the only “real” americans. Grow up, it is not a fact. I know Limbaugh makes you feel that way.

It is people like you that makes us true independents never ever want to consider voting Republican again. And the republicans will need us BIG TIME if they ever want to win again. This is a fact! Look at the demographics of the country.

Defining Obama as a “marxist” president really displays your profound ignorance.


errol44
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Wow… you can regurgitate Limbaugh talking points… good for you! Nevermind the millions in taxpayer dollars that uninsured healthcare is already costing you (That is, assuming you even pay taxes). Funny, you birthers didn't have any objection to Bush-Cheney spending hundreds of billions of our tax dollars on their little personal vendetta in Iraq. But we try to to spend a little on humanitarian purposes for Americans and you guys flip your little lids. Way to go…


Louise Shoffner
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Marilyn B…you speak for yourself, NOT, the American people as you say. The rest of us, all of us, can speak for ourselves. If we would each acknowledge that we do not speak for others, actual dialogue, constructive dialogue could take place. What makes you believe that 80% of the country are happy with health care as it is. Quit pulling stats and twisting them to your spin. And, I might add, using your number, 20million people without insurance is not something to trivialize. That is the equivalent of everyone in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona & Hawaii having NO INSURANCE. Those of us without, ask those of you with to temper your rhetoric and listen, just listen to what the rest of us have to say.


IreneH
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

To Marilyn B – When you call our President a marxist you needn't say anything more. We know who you are and what you stand for and against. Too bad people like you have to actually walk in the unfortunate shoes of other Americans before you can see that healthcare reform is needed. Most American's want a public option or single payer, and this bill will NOT destroy the current system that is NOT working for people. So you are an American who can tell the 20% of Americans of don't have any insurance, or the millions more who have pre-existing conditions who will lose their insurance in the coming years that it's too bad for them, you've got yours and that's all you care about – then who is the hypocrite?


jefftherealist
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

Marilyn, it's time to take your pill and calm down honey. By “American people” you mean the Fox News audience, I presume. 77% of Americans want this bill to pass, with the public option, but you haven't heard this because they would never say it on Fox. Our President is neither an idiot or a Marxist. He is a fine man who happens to be your leader and deserves at the very least for you to not call him petty names.

What about Tort reform? Under the Repub plan for tort reform, you could not sue, say, a hospital but would be entitled to some damages, I have heard the number $250,000 dollars. Let's say that you are a 30 year old mother of three and your husband is given the wrong medication in the hospital and it kills him. Would it be alright for you to receive only that $250,000 in compensation and nothing else, not even an apology? I will agree that trial lawyers are a problem, but what is the solution? Certainly not taking away that mother's future.


jp
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

I am in utter disgust looking at America suck in the lies, innuendos and disinformation, in the media more interested in ratings than reporting, in politicians that have NO moral compass. Americans today are each for his own and hell with the others.The buck and materialism are all that count. Sad state of affairs, not a society but a jungle.


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

Numbers are difficult things. Especially the made up ones you “cite.” And, anyone describing the president as “Marxist” isn't really paying attention to reality. Is there any smidgeon of truth in that incoherent diatribe? Shouldn't you be shouting at some elected Democrat, somewhere? They're going to take your guns, ya know?

80% of Americans are happy with their insurance? Really?


jefftherealist
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Perfectly said!


joetheinformed
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Were does this magical 80% of satisfied people come from Marilyn? I don't know anyone who is happy with the health care industry or their insurance. I know, did you see that number on Fox News? LOL. Idiots


trubeliever52
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Go ahead and try. The Australian conservatives did the very same thing and guess what – the people overwhelmingly voted for the other party. The conservatives never tried that again. By the way, why do you think no other political parties have tried to repeal existing national health care systems in other countries – because their constituents want national health care.


latte_lady
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

You know, I just read danownsyou's comment below, and I believe he has hit the target right on the mark! It is a politically motivated dialogue more than anything else right now.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Please someone repeal this idiot SOB


jefftherealist
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Thank you for your service, Franklin, and your comment. We need to be on our toes against these extremely ignorant “Real Americans”.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

WHO ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR MORON? AMERICANS DON'T WANT? WHAT ASSHOLE HAVE YOU HAD YOUR HEAD IN..STF UP NO ONE CARES WHAT THE IDIOT SIDE OF THE ISLE HAS TO SAY…BET YOU ALSO SAY KEEP GOVERNMENT OFF MY MEDICARE STUPID PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME VOMIT


joetheinformed
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

This is probably the dumbest response I have ever seen. And sadly, it is indicative of the intelligence of members of the Republican Party. Maybe 80% of your wealthy friends are happy with their health insurance, but average Americans like myself are appalled by the state of the health care industry where care is rationed based on your income level. I don't know how people like you sleep at night putting money ahead of human life, but I sure hope someday you will see how wrong you are. Human life is more precious than anything else. People of all income levels deserve the same level of care. This can be accomplished by a single payer system. Now maybe your taxes might go up a small amount, but think about all the people you will help with that small amount of money. You should feel good about it.


MAINEGURU
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

What planet are you from? How is it that you speak for “The American People”? Oh, you must mean The American People at the Klan rally! Your figures are screwed up too! Let me give you a clue why Medicare is going broke! They are caring for people in the last years of thier life and the disabled, not to mention the main reason medicare will go broke,” Babyboomers” and the fact that insurance companies collect money from healthy people and drop them when they get sick! If Medicare was getting that money it wouldn't be going broke! but you think that money should continue to go to these CEO's bonuses and profit margins! Please don't pretend to understand healthcare economics!


Lolis
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

Republicans want to block it because if the know it is passed it will be popular and will never be repealed. I am not sure why Democrats in Congress listen to these buffoons. Taking political advice from the opposing party is silly. If Republicans were so confident health care reform and a public plan would be a disaster they would not be threatening filibuster. Anyone with half a brain would realize that. Are you listening Sen. Nelson, Sen. Landrieu?


Athena
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

Which insurance company do you work for again?


jillibrown
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

Jeez, if these folks would work as hard FOR their constituents best interests instead of against them, they may not be in the semi-permanent minority.

The stupidity and gullibililty of some US citizens just never ceases to amaze me.

Ah Marilyn, you're one of the above. 80% are happy until they incur a major illness and their coverage is dropped. That's a faulty number in my book. I want to see a poll of those who have incurred a major illness – and gauge their perception. Most of us are happy with our coverage because we rarely have an occasion to use it outside of yearly routine appointments. I think that would be a poll that would be the true rating. Seek help Ms. Marilyn, your anger issues are obviously getting the better of you. Or is that just your “Christian” side showing?


theodore1
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

These Reps..are crazy, they has no interest in America, only big business and nothing on the table concerning Health Care. Send them all to he..l and never vote them into power again!
Littlejohn


lemonyashes
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

I can appreciate your sentiment and how many of us wish our congress would be so forthright when discussing with their half-witted republican members. LOL


lark817
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

If this is the best Republicans can do then they have a duty to make announcements such as these. Make them loud and clear so we'll not accidently vote any of them in.


lemonyashes
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

With Republicans it's all about 'quantity' not QUALITY!


lemonyashes
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

Not all of America, only the MSM and right-wing robots.


bluedogdem
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

In your dreams, Joe. You'll be lucky to hold onto your seat let alone become a committee chair.


TJ
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

And that statement of intent will prevent you and yours from ever gaining the majority to do that, for sure. Even your “protestors” will enjoy this healthcare reform. You are a relic of a time past, inglorious in your legacy. And your legacy when you pass on will not even be mentioned, if you are fortunate.


Zeev10
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

I think he meant His Healthcare will be repealed!


Jimmy Jam
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

I thought the number was 46 or 50 million, not 20.


debo1
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

I'm from Texas, the blue part, Austin. And this guy IS a nut job. You don't have to wonder why people think Texas is a vast wasteland. Barton, you are a creep. Come up to Austin and you'll get a heap of red meat from a bunch of REAL AMERICANS called Democrats.


Steaming Pile
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Gee, Rep. Barton, you really ought to stop scaring libruls into the voting booth. The job you save might be your own.


SteamingPile
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

Might I remind people that the GOP's high-water mark from '95-'07 was 32 House seats. The Democrats now have something like 57 seats. Lots of luck flipping that many to the red side. With 57 seats, Speaker Pelosi can afford to kick every last member of the Blue Dog coalition under the bus and still keep her gavel.


michaelmartinez
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

The lines have been drawn and Obama and the Dems need to pass a bill and scuttle all this talk of bi-partisanship. For them to repeal health care reform would be total suicide for the GOP. If Joe and is cohorts are so against it, then after it passes, they need to submit a bill for repeal in the next congress, regardless of who has the majority. Once health care reform takes affect the American people will damn anyone who wants to repeal Health care and these Republican nay sayers will plunge their party deeper into oblivion.


SteamingPile
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

Just remind him that 69,456,897 people voted in favor of health care reform (among other things) and all the hollering and barking and screaming from the other side couldn't manage to get more than 59,934,814 to join their little tea party when it mattered, on November 4th, 2008.


MarilynB
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

I give him the same respect the last president got from you. You can surely tell this is the left of the left website. You just swept right past the statement that I am not a republican. And by the American people I am talking about the polls, it's obvoius the people don't want THIS plan. No one is saying we don't need reform, we do! We just don't need the government to supply everything for us in every stage of our lives. Do you really want to give up the control (what control you have) of your medical care to the government? That's insane. I've read the bill, a panel will decide what treatments you will get and won't get. Do you want them to have access to your bank account? The government will have the authority to take money from your bank account! They will have the authority to force the IRS to release your information to anyone they see fit. That's crazy! The bleeding hearts in this country are killing any sense of self sufficiency we may have had.

As far as the others who call me ignorant and a moron. I've probably cared for some of you. I am in the medical profession and many of us know this is not the way to reform health care. I know, nothing I can say will change any othe closed minds on this site. They just can't see the forest for the trees.

Tort reform will put a halt to defensive medicine. I see it every day, Doctors ordering tests that normally wouldn't be run but because they fear being sued (the majority are frivilous) they order everything they can come up with that will be a defense in court. I'm not saying the Mother you are speaking about shouldn't have their day in court but the ones that aren't legitimate don't need to see the light of day. The ambulance chasers we see ads for on television need to be stopped.

It's funny how all of you assume I was a fan of Bush or the Iraq war, I wasn't. And I didn't want the first stimulus bill, or the second one, or the bailouts, or the cash for clunkers. I want this government to be responsible and live by the constitution. It behaves as though this document was never written. “Fishy” emails? Authority to shut down the internet? A campaign to stifle the voices that don't agree with them? They aren't using the fairness doctrine this time, they are going in the back door.

I don't listen to Limbaugh, I wouldn't even know where to find him. I do my own research and I believe the facts not the fantasies this government wants us to believe. You all assume so much, you know nothing about me except that you believe I am a right wing nut who listens to Beck and has it in for the president because he is black. That can't be farther from the truth. I don't get my news from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN or MSNBC because they are in the presidents pocket. His association with GE and ABC, and now the CEO has a chair on the board of the FED? The sweet little deal he made with Brazil that will make his buddy George richer than he already is but refuses to allow drilling on our own coast for the oil we know is there.

The soldiers in my family didn't die in vain, this country stands for freedom and liberty. So many are willing to trade our freedoms for the comfort of the government taking care of them. This is America not England. There's a reason our forefathers left England and fought against a tyranical king for our freedoms. So all of you can go ahead and tear my words apart and distort what I said, twist my words. We are all Americans, the divide in this country is being fostered by this administration and the democratic congress. When will you see that we are all in this together and stop tearing each other apart and attempt to work together to create the America our forefathers could be proud of?


jimvancise
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

I didn't know minority party members got to be committee chairmen.


SteamingPile
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

When it mattered, the know-nothings still couldn't manage to get enough ignorant screaming dumbasses to the polls. The numbers speak for themselves:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_pres…


Guest222
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

Sure sounds like he is wishing with one hand and holding the other. How many seats do you think the “Party of No” is going to win Mr. Barton.


Tim
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Yeah. If over 70% want healthcare reform, how in the heck does anyone get a stat of 80% being happy with it? Just more propaganda, I guess.


Richard
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

Call it the Nixon-Kennedy bill — revive Nixon's bill (here must be a copy somewhere) maybe update it where needed — and name it after them.

Modern republicans make Nixon seem like a liberal…. The Democrats have move tot he right, and the republicans have moved to the loony bin.


Kill_Bush
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

This could be a great thing to run on in future. When people realize the sky did not fall (grandma is still with them), that the individual and overall cost is going down and pretty well everyone is covered there will be little fervor about going back to the old way. Dems can run on the fact the Republicans will take care AWAY from 40 million people and jack up the cost, etc. etc. Yeah, we'll take that fight any day, Barton the Butthead.


davidmichaelsmith
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

I hope there's a special provision in the health care bill that will provide badly needed mental health care for all members of the Goofy Old Party.


deeann78626
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

Marilyn, you have it exactly right. But most of the people here are sheep that just blindly believe anything that MSNBC and this site tell them. It's sad really. If these people would just do their own research, follow the money, the favors, etc… they'd see things a little different but they just seem to believe that the current administration could do no wrong. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of Washington is corrupt it doesn't matter if they are Republican or Democrat or Independant. They'll see it all one of these days, but by then it will be too late.


supersenior
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

the GOP is clearly not on the side of the average American. The want to protect Healthcare Big Business excessive profits. Wake up average citizen, the GOP does not want to do anything to make life easier for you unless you are already rich.


conniemmay
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

To IreneH-You know there IS another way to get better health care without going into debt another trillion dollars & putting the government in charge of somthing so personal as our health! Its called FIX THE PART THATS BROKE. There are many proposals out there that would help our current situation besides giving this president control over one more big chunk of our economy. He already has the banks & the 2 car companies under his belt. Where will he stop?!?!

If individuals were given a tax break for the cost of basic health insurance & were allowed to buy from anywhere in the US we would have a healthy compitition & you may notice that if an individual owns something, they are less likely to abuse it.

A dictionary would help you recognize WHY the word Marxist is associated with this president.


americansunitedhcr
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

Americans United for Health Care and Insurance Reform. We're rallying and marching in D.C. on 9/13/09.
The GOP is really off their rocker. They SO hate everything that President Obama does. Nothing but a bunch
of mealy mouthed old men and woman who are prejudiced. Visit us athttp://www.americansunitedhcr.wordpress.com . Register
to rally!


deeann78626
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

I am amazed at how people there are here that want the government to take care of you and others. Whatever happened to personal responsibility and standing on your own two feet? Everyone here just wants a handout at someone else's expense. Sick! Lazy!


blacksheep1935
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

JOE IS ANOTHER TEXAS JERK DREAM ON DREAM ON JOE


liafrancis
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Just as they try to repeal Medicaid and Medicare in years past, and to dump Social Security altogether. They might win back majority in the Senate, but won't be able to repeal healthcare. I won't vote for any schmuck that takes away from the average American family only to enrich themselves and corporations including insurance companies such as Aetna, Blue Shield, etc.


Deanna Grissom
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

Gosh Deena78626…Guess YOU won't be pulling any money from SS since the Government cpontributes to it…and your not going on Medicare you say? Oh that's right YOU DIDN'T…your going to “suck” those monies just like everyone else you screams about Obama's Halth Care plan.
Educated yourself, you embarress all women.


bluecollarjane
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

Another example of the Reactionary mantra – I got mine, *F* you.


johnnydaemn
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

Please calm down. Don't you see that the private insurers already come between you and your doctor? They make decisions based on profits – not your health. If you ever get sick enough to cost too much money, they'll find a way to drop you. They are les concerned about you than the government, believe me. Bank account? I have private insurance and they insist on being able to draw my premiums directly from my account. Fact, not fiction.

It's easy to say Tort Reform is needed. Sometimes you see a reward that's way too big. But here's something: If the rewards are not big enough to cause pain to the company, then why would they ever correct their behavior? Why not just settle everything and keep going as is?

Regarding your next paragraph, I'm not sure I have an answer. Shutting down the Internet? That's just weird. As for the constitution, you should know Obama was a teacher of the constitution – he probably knows it better than you. Anyway, the constitution is protected by the Supreme Court rulings.

I understand you don't watch to all those tv stations, but why didn't you list FOX? I assume it's because you watch them. FOX is propaganda as much as anyone on the left.

I'm fascinated by your concern for our government spending. Why don't you speak up about the Pentagon budget? Wasting money on programs that never get finished?

If you are truly interested in stable finance, you would fight to have health care reformed because it will be the one area to bring us down if not corrected. Nothing has gone up faster over the last twenty years. Nothing.


blacksheep1935
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

YOU BETTER PRAY YOU NEVER GET CANCER AND LOSE YOUR JOB AND HEALTH INSURANCE. GTHEN WE WILL SEE WHO IS LAZY AND LOOKING FOR A HANDOUT


Matt
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

Maybe you should spend some time learning how to compose a sentence, before attacking anybody.


liafrancis
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

You do realize that all of those elected have government run healthcare, don't you? And your Mom and Dad, possibly you – have medicare as well – a government run program.


Tony
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

You mean like the $$Billions given in handouts to the banks and financial institutions? I'm sure you were even more outraged about that! People like you give human beings a bad name.


rryanstevens
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

Does anyone truly think that all these contradictory Republic outcries against the Health Care bill are genuine? This is all simply political posturing. If Obama actually managed to pass a real bill with a legitimate public option one of his major campaign promises would be fulfilled. The Republicans certainly don't want that and they could care less if causing Obama a loss results in the perpetuation of a profoundly pathetic health care system.


Matt
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

Conniemmay, TAX breaks don't work for people who have little or no income. How would a tax break help someone get health insurance when they are unemployed and hav little to no income. How is it going to help fight an insurance company that no longer worries about spreading the risk (commie idea) and is more intrested in reducing payments, regardless of responsibility. I am assuming you are really only concerned about yourself and those who are already covered. I also assume you call yourself a Christian. What would Jesus do, kick out the sick and poor as your party is trying to do????


Greg Bradley
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

I basically agree with you, deeann78626. I am a Democrat and I want a health system that everyone can afford. The system we have is broken, and I think primarily because the consumer of health care is not at the center of the system. We shouldn't fund routine and expected health care expenses from insurance – it distorts the market and we end up with a system that nobody can afford without insurance. We should pay routine and expected costs from our own pockets. Insurance should be used only for true catastrophic events – that is what insurance was originally for, anyway. Only in health care do we get it backwards.

Everyone, please read this article at http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care.

Thanks


disclaimer
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

Come on connie, don't be stupid. Can you defend why it's appropriate to make the highest priority of reform, the continuous ability of insurance companies to reap higher and higher profits, at the expense of reasonable cost to the citizens. A health care system based on private corporate profits is immoral.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Maineguru, while I agree with your premise, as a baby boomer, I have to come to my generation’s defense. The oldest of the baby boomers just became eligible for Social Security/medicare benefits two years ago. I’m a boomer, but not quite 46, so I’ve got a long way to go before I start affecting ss/medicare, and I work and pay taxes to support the programs.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Maineguru, while I agree with your premise, as a baby boomer, I have to come to my generation’s defense. The oldest of the baby boomers just became eligible for Social Security/medicare benefits two years ago. I’m a boomer, but not quite 46, so I’ve got a long way to go before I start affecting ss/medicare, and I work and pay taxes to support the programs.


disclaimer
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Come on connie, don't be stupid. Can you defend why it's appropriate to make the highest priority of reform, the continuous ability of insurance companies to reap higher and higher profits, at the expense of reasonable cost to the citizens. A health care system based on private corporate profits is imoral.


deeann78626
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

You are an idiot! It's not like I have any choice now is it? I am being forced into putting money into a government account. Another entitlement program!! I have no intention in drawing from it either. Unlike YOU, I have been smart and have put money away for my retirement and don't need the government to support me!! Wise Up! YOU are the one who is embarrassing women! Be responsible and take care of yourself!


deeann78626
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

You are so right Bradley. That is how I've got my own healthcare set up. I pay for everything out of my own pocket and have an insurance plan for catastrophies/hospitalizations. It's so much cheaper and smarter.


deeann78626
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

They should never have been bailed out!


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berniesh
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Apparently this sage is willing to repeal any health bill that comes out of any Democratic congress, regardless of content. I can hear the insurance companies applauding from here.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

WHAT YOUR STUPID DUMBASS HAS RUBLE UNDERSTANDING IF YOU LIKE YOUR INSURANCE YOU CAN KEEP IT!!!! PUBLIC OPTION IS TO KEEP THE INSURANCE COMPANIES FROM SCREWING EVERYONE FOR A BUCK….UNTIL YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING INTELLENGENT STF UP


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

SO WHAT WAS YOUR ANSWER ANOTHER DEPRESSION?? BY THE WAY US GOVERNMENT HAS MADE OVER 4 BILLION ON THAT TRANSACTION DUMBASS


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN BUSH BLEW A SURPLUS?? ANOTHER RETARD REDNECK ASSHOLE


MM
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

I think everybody is forgetting the most important thing about healthcare. We are not reforming it to give out healthcare we are reforming it to criminalize insurance providers who drop care when you get a expensive illness. A good example of how company should work is a construction company. You pay them and they build your building. If the building last 5 years instead of 100 you can sue them and put them out of business. Similarly, you need coverage you buy it but if you get treatable cancer they can say you had that before coverage and will not pay for that $10000/ month treatments. Guess what the Insurance companies just killed you for being too expensive.


David
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

That's my rep! Brought to you by the ignorant, corrupt, criminal, and murderous people of Texas.


mpcsu
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

might want to check your statement before you call yourself so intelligent for putting money away. Most people have lost more than 25% of their various savings since the financial melt down. Nice social darwanism Deann, you're rich so your smarter than everyone else. Everyone that doesn't have or make the money you do is stupid, right? Congratulations on your success…


tnewberg
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

GAWP GAWP GAWP GAWP GAWP

Republican chickens!


mintawallace
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

these are the most pathetic bunch of human beings i have ever seen —
they dont love america and the american people—they just want to be against
everything that would help our country and our people,just to show how much
they really hate us—all in the name of (we want obama to fail)


cosmicmom
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

DeeAnn – I'll bet you're a Christian. Don't you remember that Jesus wants us to take care of each other? To do unto “the least of these?” To take care of widows and orphans (meaning anyone less fortunate than we are)? Jesus promoted socialism. Not communism – socialism. We might want to take a page out of his book.


cosmicmom
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

DeeAnn – I'll bet you're a Christian. Don't you remember that Jesus wants us to take care of each other? To do unto “the least of these?” To take care of widows and orphans (meaning anyone less fortunate than we are)? Jesus promoted socialism. Not communism – socialism. We might want to take a page out of his book.


kevinschmidt
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

The Republicans don't realize the reason why Obama and the Democratic Congress are losing popularity is because they are not drifting further to the left.

If current Democratic incumbents are voted out of office, more times than not it will be because they lose to Democratic challengers in the upcoming Democratic Primaries, and not because they lose to Republican challengers in the general election on Election Day.

We got rid of the Republicans. Now we will get rid of the Blue Dog DINO-Fascists too.


grannysue
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Ya because by God we don't want anyone taking money out of the mouths of those Insurance CEOS and besides were not here to help Joe blow American, were here to line our pockets and get reelected!


MM
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

You walk on sidewalks don't you, don't you know sidewalks are government run. You call the police after you've gotten robbed. Maybe the government should privatize the police and fire departments. I don't think you even know what your talking about. The only person needing to Wise Up is you.


frvale
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

THE RETHUGS ARE FULL OF DUNG HOW DO THEY GET ANY AIR TIME ZERO CREDIBILITY IS WHAT THEY HAVE NOW THEY WILL LOSE MORE SEATS IN 2010


kevinschmidt
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

cosmicmom,

Jesus did not promote Socialism. He did not promote any political “ism”.

They are all irrelevant to him because, “My kingdom is not of this world.”

If anything, Jesus promoted Spiritualism.


mpcsu
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

It's not a hand out, it is the responsible thing to do for the financial well-being of our country! How do you think that forcing insurance companies to honor the deals they made with their customers and bringing healthcare costs down in the long-term has anything to do with a “hand out”? Stop using the rhetoric, it just makes you look ignorant.

Today (under your glorious private system) we spend nearly 20% of our GDP on healthcare, and that is rising. It's rising for many factors, one of which is the uninsured. Health care providers and hospitals don't get paid for providing care to the uninsured, so obviously they are going to charge higher fees on insurance companies in order to make their money back. The insurance company then passes that fee on to you, so you stand to pay less and the costs of healthcare as a whole will go down if more people are insured. Healthcare reform will help you too! It's no about a hand out, it makes economic sense nationwide to reform the system. Yes, the costs will be large in the short-term but it makes sense in the long-term!

Why keep handing billions and billions of dollars to insurance companies that don't honor their commitments to their customers? How is that the American way? Most people that get screwed by insurance companies played by the rules. They had insurance, but when it came time to use it, they were denied. I don't usually wish bad things on people, but I hope that you or someone close to you has to go through something traumatic with an insurance company, which will wise you up. You may be rich, but I wonder if you're money will be there should something go wrong.

Keep it up social darwinist.


vincent merkel
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

It amazes me that most of these idiot Republicans don't even know how their government works.Every single Republican congress and senator has goverment run insurance ,payed by your taxes .Every single GD one of you are so enamored by Fox news and their BS machine of lies and distortion that you can't even bother to look up any facts.Every single Republican congressman and senator are laughing at you idiots because of your lack of brains knowing that because of your lemming like ways you will believe every lie and distortion they tell you. That either makes you so weak you can't stand up for yourself or so perverted and demented you want to be led around like a dog on a leash.You are all a disgrace to this country for allowing yourselves to be so weakminded and ignorant to be led around and lied to so easily, These men do not want you to have the tax payed insurance they have because they do not want you to be healthy they only care for themselves and the insurance industry.You all make the false claim that you do not want your goverment in the examination room but its ok to have their ceo deny your claim and cancel your insurance because you are ill …….thats ok for you .You are all a bunch of phonys and you better send back your social security check, your medicare check and if you get unemployment insurance send that back as well……… it's all goverment run


chaz
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

if they had the votes, they would repeal social security as well as any civil rights legislation. gop, what a compassionate great party.


debbieqd
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

What grade are you in?


Tim
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

Leave it to the republicans to again want to forget about those who need help the most. Look at Matthew 25 that was invoked at the Kennedy Memorial. Beware of your fate, all you who would not offer help to those in our society most in need of it. Shame on you. We need a constitutional amendment that guaranty's every citizen Health Care. Amen Christians for Health Care Reform


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

If you get sick just pray to Jesus like my late brother did!

I would rather die than interfere with the FREE MARKET.


Tim
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

But remember Matthew 25. The choice is yours. Christians for Health Care Reform


Tim
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Reread Mathew 25. You'll not be going to Heaven with such an attitude. Christians for Health Care Reform


hellian
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

Congress people with the kind of idea this man and many other politicians have need to be voted out of office..The talk about DP but they want to let the disadvantaged, the under insured and the poor die for lack of health care. look at what happened with Katrina it was the poor who lost their lives and were left to die.


serena1313
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

During different times in history, when Social Security, Medicare (and other government-provided safety-net programmes) were introduced the opposition was fierce, but ultimately overcome. Now, decades later, Joe Barton and his colleagues are using the same rhetoric, the same unsubstantiated claims, the same tactics and the same fact-free arguments to defeat healthcare reform. Then as now, probably the same threats, too.

Although they managed to dismantle some safety-net programmes, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and a few others still remain in-tact, not that they didn't try, they did. And despite being wildly popular they will keep on trying.

It is surprising that healthcare reform is still supported by a majority of Americans considering the day-in and day-out, 24/7, propaganda. It goes without saying, Iam not sure which is more disturbing the lies or the people who are willing to believe them, at least for now, notwithstanding.

Threats to repeal healthcare reform may be a political winner in some districts, but in most other parts of the country, probably not. But if Republicans somehow manage to defeat healthcare reform, Barton and his colleagues will rue the day it comes back to haunt them.


rewinn
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

How well would the following slogan work in YOUR district:

“Vote For Us so You Can Be At The Mercy of Health Insurers!!!”

I dunno if that really seems like a winner.


Angelo_Frank
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Texas Republicans are more enamored with executing people than healing people with an adequate healthcare system. It just shows how hypocritical these anti-choice, anti-working person, anti-evolution, gay hating, right-wing, religious zealots really are. Maybe it's the heat down here that makes them into the equivalent of the Taliban.


Bob Pace
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

So my question is, do you make more than minimum wage? If not, would you still have your out of pocket money to pay for everything out of your own pocket, as well as the catastrophic insurance plan? My old plan that I was forced to drop due to insufficient funds costs more than I earn right now. And I make more than minimum wage.


pjburke
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Apparently that prayer 'stra-tee-ger-ee' didn't work out all that well for your LATE brother.

You can go ahead and die for the mythical “free” market if you choose. You're entitled to all the ludicrous folly you care to wallow in, so long as no one else is harmed by it.

The suggestion that others should die in the service of your myths is obscene in the extreme.


Phyllis
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

I sure hope you don't have any money in banks since they are FDIC insured and that is the government.
You also better not drive on any roads since you would most probably be traveling on roads provided by the government.
Hope your children or you didn't attend public schools or public universities either.
You better not take any medications since their safety is checked by government.
Work in a place that does not have to conform to safety standards set by the government.
Make sure you live next to a toxic waste site since you don't want the government infringing on anyone's right to destroy the environment that we all live in.
I really do not believe you won't some day use Medicare or SS, that is, unless you are a government employee and do not pay into any of these programs. Instead you will be supported in your old age by us taxpayers. Nice gig! Too bad we all can't have the same option.
It seems that besides the insurance companies, the only ones who are against Universal Health care are public employees, since they would then have the same coverage as everyone in the United States instead of the golden plans they now have at our expense.


johnwaynecahill
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

Both GOP members should be stripped of their free health care insurance. Let Republican start paying for their own health care “OUT OF POCKET” like 46% of American. When I retired at age 55 I lost all my health care being a type 1 diabetiic my medical cost are out of sight the last 5 years I've spent over $750K to keep myself alive.
Here's my question: when did we as nation become so greed and so self centered and corrupt that we put Lobbist before our citizens. REPUBLICAN'S AND DEM'S GET YOUR HANDS OUT THE COOKIES JAR AN PASS THE PUBLIC OPTION.


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deeann78626
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Yes, but that is not the role of Government. It is the role of individuals. He did not promote socialism. He promoted that we help others out of the goodness of our hearts. Not giving the government money to pass on for us. Look at all these other government run programs. It's highway robbery. They're more than willing to take other people's money and spread it around but won't give any of their own to help people in need. They are all corrupt in Washington, have been for years! Dems and Republicans! I gave more in charity last year than Obama!


rad21
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

The current system does not work for American business. It is spending 17% of GDP (and rising) on healthcare. This is 30% more that our competitors in other western countries. How many more domestic steel, auto, and other manufacturing industries do we want to loose? The first major group to walk-off Clinton's healthcare plan was the domestic auto industry (both management and labor).

Medicare has a problem- lurching towards bankruptcy by 2019. The unsustainable steep healthcare cost curve has to be bent if we are to stop going off a cliff. We have to leave politics behind.

On another point. If the government pays for the healthcare of the 46 million currently uninsured, (25% of the adult population, under age 65); should not the average family get a rebate on their premiums? We (the insured) are now picking up the tab for the uninsured; currently estimated at $1,100 per insured family. In addition, if healthcare costs in reduced by only 13%, by ending unnecessary visits to the hospital's ER; (because people do not have a doctor), I estimate we should see a total reduction in healthcare premiums by 30% (17% surcharge for the uninsured + 13% for the efficiency it will introduce).

Can someone explain to me what am I missing? And can someone tell me why the politicians of either political party are not making an issue of this rebate?


jeanne
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

How about a well financed civil law suit against the health insurance companys for product liability, false advertising and contract fraud.We can take the money awarded and start a Democrat only heatlth care program. To insure that it is for Democrats only we can conduct a intelligence test and hold down mental health claims insuring no republicans get in !


GTelles
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

I could be wrong, it's hard enough to tell if some of these people are aware of the breathtaking irony of what they say, but I think in this instance Florida Christian was being deliberately ironic.


Greg Bradley
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Until the advent of private insurance and Medicare, we spent a very small portion of our GDP on health costs. But the system we have today is eating up more and more of the available resources in the country. These are dollars that could be spent on other things that are good for our society – alternative energy, for example.

We are going to go bankrupt as a country if we don't address the underlying structural distortions caused by our funding of nearly ALL health expenses through insurance. I am a Democrat and strongly desire to see a caring and decent society. But the demand for health services is virtually endless and the current funding system does not provide any mechanism for cost control. Government cannot do the job of cost control by policing prices in the current system – it is inefficient and simply won't work.

The health care providers won't respond to the concerns of individual citizens, because their customer is really the private insurance companies and Government Medicare. It is this primarily, I believe, that is driving the health care costs up at a significantly higher rate than the economy is growing – this has been happening for more than 30 years, and will continue until properly addressed.

An example – Lasik eye surgery is not covered by insurance, and the cost of the procedure has fallen drastically over the last 10 years. Had insurance decided to cover it, the costs wouldn't have come down much. Why? I think because people don't see the prices – everything is hidden in the current system. Another example I've seen is MRI procedures – MRIs are covered by insurance, and prices haven't fallen much, but the technology is old and common. If consumers could see the actual price, they would go to the cheaper vendor, and the costs would tend to drop to the marginal cost – this is basic economics. It happens in every other technology area – look at what has happened with the cost of computers and other electronics over the years.

This is why I believe we must get away from the current paradigm where all costs are paid by insurance. It is a faulty system and threatens us all if we don't fix it. However, I hasten to add that any change toward putting the consumer back into the center of the system has to be done slowly and carefully, so people aren't hurt in the process.


deeann78626
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

No, I am not a public employee. I am just a very hard working individual who has worked her way up from nothing. Oh, and your little statemnts of comparison make no sense. We're talking about government entitlements and handouts. If you want to discuss the FDIC (who is almost broke), public schools (which are crap), medications (which some are killing people), etc…… well, that's a whole different discusion. LOL

Almost everything the federal government touches turns to crap. Post Office, Amtrak, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security…….. All broke! Hope you weren't counting on those handouts for Medicare and SS. It's not going to be there much longer. Broke….Broke…Broke…… Those in Washington are just looking out for themselves and making sure they stay there as long as they can, making millions of dollars off of the bills they pass through. They go in there with a salary of under $200,000 and come out millionaires. LOL I can't believe you people think they're trying to help us out. There are always agendas. They're not looking out for us.


A private citizen
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

There is a way to always predict the position of a republican: If something favors the poor or working class people, they hate it, and will attack it relentlessly. If its something that benefits the rich, or corporations, they will promote and embrace it relentlessly. Try this rule with any issue and see where they stand and you will find it is 100 percent accurate.


Greg Bradley
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

rad21,

Take a look at this article, http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care.

Until the advent of private insurance and Medicare, we spent a very small portion of our GDP on health costs. But the system we have today is eating up more and more of the available resources in the country. These are dollars that could be spent on other things that are good for our society – alternative energy research, for example.

We are going to go bankrupt as a country if we don't address the underlying structural distortions caused by our funding of nearly ALL health expenses through insurance. If people paid for most of their basic, planned care out of their pocket, prices would begin to fall quickly. I am a Democrat and strongly desire to see a caring and decent society. But the demand for health services is virtually endless and the current funding system does not provide any mechanism for cost control. Government cannot do the job of cost control by policing prices in the current system – it is inefficient and simply won't work.

The health care providers won't respond to the concerns of individual citizens, because their customer is really the private insurance companies and Government Medicare. It is this primarily, I believe, that is driving the health care costs up at a significantly higher rate than the economy is growing – this has been happening for more than 30 years, and will continue until properly addressed.

An example – Lasik eye surgery is not covered by insurance, and the cost of the procedure has fallen drastically over the last 10 years. Since it is not covered, and comes out of peoples pockets, they care about the price. Had insurance decided to cover it, the costs wouldn't have come down much. Why? Because with insurance people don't pay the price out of their pocket – somebody else pays it (but really all of us pay for it, and that's why the system is beginning to fail). Another example I've seen is MRI procedures – MRIs are covered by insurance, and prices haven't fallen much, but the technology is old and common. If consumers had to pay the actual price, and could see that price, the health care providers would have to respond to the consumers, since there would be no other entity to fund the service. In this case the costs would tend to drop to the marginal cost – this is basic economics. It happens in every other technology area – look at what has happened with the cost of computers and other electronics over the years.

This is why I believe we must get away from the current paradigm where all costs are paid by insurance. It is a faulty system and threatens us all if we don't fix it. However, I hasten to add that any change toward putting the consumer back into the center of the system has to be done slowly and carefully, so people aren't hurt in the process.


rick390
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

Talk about political suicide. The public would never stand for a repeal of healthcare reform once it was passed. Just like they would never stand for a repeal of Medicare or social security now. Barton just got so full of hot air that he had to vent a little before he exploded.


deeann78626
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

Exactly. There's is no way we'll be able to cover everyone and have any type of quality, availability AND affordability. There are other ways to get the health system reformed without simply putting government in charge. No one wants to see people suffer and not have the care they need but there are smarter ways of doing so. Healthcare needs to be treated like any other market. Basic economics. As demand goes up, the price goes down. Private insurance is just a huge racket. But I don't trust the government much more either.


rick390
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

That's the Repugnants in a nutshell. Well put.


deeann78626
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Thank you! :)


A private citizen
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

I really dont see them winning a majority any time soon. The great DUBYAPRESSION is going to keep them a minority party for a very long time.


dtl57
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Ok, some conservative out there who maintains a view similar to Rep. Barton's please explain how taxpayer funded healthcare will destroy the fabric of our society (it's looking pretty darn threadbare and tattered to me already so maybe we're long overdue for some new ones,) and just for good measure please also explain why such a program is so offensive to you. Please adhere to factual statements though. Lately a lot of folks out there are tossing around pretty poor analysis of othere peoples opinions which are based more on ignorance of facts and a penchant for false-information and just plain lies. that works to con people but where does it really get us? Anybody? Anybody? thought so.


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Judy
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

I will tell you about someone I ran into this weekend: she is mentally 'challenged; lives in a group home, has SSI and Medi-Cal. She is getting all kinds of surgery, from orthopedic to carpal tunnel, to hernia and what not. She's walking around, as much as I can surmise with about $300,000. worth of surgery this past couple of years.

She HAS health insurance. If you think you as a privately insured person aren't paying for her, think again!!! This is crap, I am on Medicare, and can't pay the premium or the 20% co pay for Part B, but I don't qualify for Medi-Cal.

The current system is wacked; you'd think people could put that together. You'd think…the Pres. could make a better case. Anything is better than what is going on right now. People like her are racking up the money paid to drs, and hospitals, they LOVE her. Those who live in rural locations routinely DIE, because treatments are not near them, and they don't qualify like me, for govt sponsored healthcare help all too often.

Working adults can't get covered, they have kids on S-Chip, but so what if mom or dad gets cancer or something and dies, or is incapcitated. Whose gonna take care of the kids then???

This MUSt stop, people MUST speak out for TRUE healthcare reform, and single payer option!!! Everybody in the pool, the pool equalizes, and the waves stop.


A private citizen
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

I guess any of you republican halfwits who are whining about people ” wanting the government to take care of them” have never read the preamble of the constitution. It seems there are a couple things in there about “providing for the common welfare” and “establish justice” as well as “insure domestic tranquility”. It seems that it is, in fact, the governments JOB to provide for its people things that help to bring about these concepts. If its not, why even have a government? Oh, thats right, I forgot, thats your wet dream isnt it, getting rid of the hinderence government has on keeping the rich selfish greedy pricks from taking EVERYTHING.


Debbie in Orlando
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

Oh please! If I hear one more right-wing conservative talk about how hard-working they are, worked their way up from nothing, they worked hard for everything they have, I think I will lose my lunch. This argument as been made ad nauseum. Do you think the millions of people who lost their jobs and whose savings plummeted in the aftermath of the recession didn't work hard? Do you think people working in low-paying jobs aren't working hard? Do you think people who have gone into bankruptcy because of a health crisis weren't working hard before that? Slightly more than half of the bankruptcies in this country are because of a health crisis. Many of you “I got mine, now screw everybody else” people are only one health disaster away from financial disaster. There are plenty of people who worked hard, did everything right, never expected a handout and saved for their future who have seen their carefully laid plans come crashing down.


ann
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

In his dreams!!! It's going to pass, it will change the nonsense that America has been dealing with from PROFIT motived suppliers, and ……….the Repubs will be a footnote to history!!! Really, remember what I am saying in 10 yrs time.


cindyterry
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Thanks a lot! all you leeching senators and congressmen. We pay your salaries and your healthcare expenses, yet you won't do the same for millions of men, women, and children who are US citizens. You say we can get free healthcare in an emergency room. NOT TRUE. You say we should just buy private insurance. Not possible, if you have any existing condition. Also it costs more than the average person can afford. Shame on you all! You say you believe in Choose Life, but its only for the not yet born. What about those of us who already born? Dont we count for anything? I raised my children without health insurance, scared all the time. Other countries look at us in doubt and shame that we refuse to care for all our citizens. As it is only seniors and prisoners are guaranteed healthcare. Medicare is government-run healthcare program and I dont see any seniors turning it down. Also it runs pretty well.


Lynne
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

Heathcare should be a moral imperative in this country. The so-called “Christian Conservative” group was formed after Roe v Wade was decided so the Conservative party could rely on a non-thinking voting block to push their agenda. The Conservatives stand for intolerance, discrimination, greed and corruption. Those don't appear to be in the “Bible” anywhere. For all of those Christians that vote republican in every election, think again, and again. You are voting for a continuation of policies protecting the wealthy and corporate greed. I liken this to a person saying “I lost my job, my healthcare, my house, and my car, but I am sure glad Suzy didn't have an abortion” As one-issue voters, as many of your appear to be, the end result proved near fatal over the past eight years as we started two wars, abandoned the Katrina victims as if they had the plague and nearly drove off a financial cliff.

It does say in the Bible that we should take care of the poor and sick and that commandment about “Love thy Neighbor as theyself”. You don't hear much about that from the Republicans. We have a great county with many possibilities and we need to look to the greater good of this nation. How can someone say they are pro-life and deny tens of millions of people in this country healthcare. I hope people start to think beyond the pundits, especially Fox News, who tend to lie for a living and especially Glenn Beck. His rhetoric is enticing those unhinged in this country to take dangerous actions.

Think and Think Again


GTelles
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

“Yes, but that is not the role of Government. It is the role of individuals.”

The role of the Government is outlined in the Constitution Article 1, Section 8: “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States…”

That role is, among other things, to collect our taxes to provide for our general welfare. “The greater good for the greater amount of people.” That is what the majority of “We the people of the United States of America” have resoundingly called for when it comes to healthcare. Or do you not care what the majority of your fellow citizens want? Or do you not believe Public Health is an important component of the general welfare? Or do you reject the legitimacy of the general welfare as one of our nations goals “in order to form a more perfect union”? In which case, do you challenge the Constitution as the fundamental underpinnings of the United States as a nation of laws, of how we do things? Cause it says those things all the way at the tip-top of the Constitution in the preamble, just one sentence.

Bully for you that you’re rich and better than the rest of us, you workin’ for your money and everything (cause that’s how you come off as sounding). But all that’s beside the point. Since you don’t care about the majority of your fellow citizens who want this change for the general welfare, but are clearly concerned about yourself and other non-lazy Americans who earn their money, the question arises: Why should the majority have to knuckle under to a handful of special interests and “REAL AMERICANS” when the majority of our interests as individuals are better served when we pull together? Also, why should we continue to follow a model that has repeatedly shown itself to be a disaster for the average American? Why should anyone care what self-serving yardstick you claim the rest of us should be measured by?

“Look at all these other government run programs. It's highway robbery.”

Funny story: In December 21, 2004, that bastion of left-wing commieness, the Rand Corp. published a report that “…found that overall, VA patients were more likely than patients in the national sample to receive recommended care. In particular, the VA patients received significantly better care for depression, diabetes, hyperlipidemia, and hypertension. The VA also performed consistently better across the spectrum of care, including screening, diagnosis, treatment, and follow-up. The only exception to the pattern of better care in VA facilities was care for acute conditions, for which the two samples were similar.” And that’s in spite of years of underfunding by George “Support our troops” Bush. The VA is, lo and behold, a government run program,

You should take the time and figure what particular components of the public dole you leech off of (roads, post-office, police, fire, etc.) and curtail any future mooching off of our tax money to further your own interests. From now on you should figure out how to do those things for yourself, like a real American.


GTFOOH
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:04 am

And then, we will repeal you!


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larry555
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:26 am

It's amazing that so many people don't see – or choose not to admit – that this is not about health care at all. This is about a huge increase in the size of the federal government and a monumental increase in the amount of money that congress will have control over.

The more money congress controls, the more they can get into their own hands and their campaign accounts. If you aren't aware of it, a very large percentage of those we have elected have become corrupt and if things were put right, they would be in prison.

If you believe they should have access to an additional amount of funds equal to 20% of the GDP, you are neither thinking straight nor acting responsibly. If you think this is about providing health care to those who need it most – you're either awful naive or just plain ignorant.


peter777
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Barton- You are not going to be chairman of anything, except the Republican outhouse. And, you will not be repealing anything even if should happen to capture the House or the Senate. It would be vetoed.


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peter777
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:39 am

That is foolishness. You are a fool. What did Jesus say about doing for the least of these, and you did it for me? Is that in the Republican Bible, or do you guys have your own version? I will tell you what awaits those who see no need for social justice and constantly work against it (stuff you Republicans call socialism)- you can read it yourself-

Matthew 25:44-46 (New International Version)

44″They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45″He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46″Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Your giving a few coins occasionally is not going to cut it, when the government ought to be providing laws for the general welfare, according to the U.S. Constitution. Lots of folks are excluded from adequate heath care.


rad21
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:55 am

The current cost-drivers in healthcare are health-insurance, pharmaceutical, bio-tech, and bio-engineering companies, each led by management interested in their bottom-line; hospital and nursing home administrators; the medico-legal system, healthcare economists and consultants. A lot of these 'overhead costs' amounting to 30% of healthcare costs are accepted and legal. But, that channels dollars away from patient care. Many doctors point out that patients, directing their own treatment options that are not indicated, contribute to higher costs; as do families reluctant to provide basic-care and support to their sick relatives.

Each of these cost-drivers contribute to the steep and unsustainable cost-curve. None of these cost-drivers are being addressed in the current debate; which is adding to the fragmentation. Complex formulary of insurance and funding makes the healthcare system more cumbersome and inefficient, adding further irrationalities and alien motivations within the system. And the goal of good patient care is lost in the shuffle.

Significant savings (i.e no additional dollars needed) can be achieved through reforming payments to insurance and drug companies; as well as providers (doctors and hospitals) by using “Best Practice” paradigms. Comprehensive Reform using a system of rewards and disincentives will induce fundamental shifts, including life-style and societal changes; and place the healthcare cost-curve on a declining glide-path. The debate is also about the healthcare legacy this generation will leave to the next.


peter777
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:56 am

You are very fortunate, as I am. I have good retirement benefits, and I have worked hard to have them. However, you need to realize that not everyone is as fortunate as you and I are. They may not have had the opportunity, the breaks, they may not be as smart as you. The U.S. economy works right now and has worked for many years with an underclass. We have always had one, from slave days on up to modern times now with undocumented workers. We have a huge and growing underclass now. What you and others do not seem to realize is that the underclass cannot continue to grow in size, and the prosperity of the U.S. be maintained. They must have money to purchase goods. Yet the disparity between haves and have-nots is growing. And, mostly that is because of tax policies which favor the rich, including corporations.

You may think people can live on $10 per hour, pay for health insurance, and send kids to private schools (because public schools are so bad in your opinion). But, they cannot. Why don't we raise their pay? You can pay more for food and everything you consume, can't you. Why don't you do it? Perhaps you do not realize the degree to which pay is not really competitive in here in the U.S. We have a policy of keeping a permanent underclass, and a government and corporate culture that maintains it.

You need to open your eyes to the rest of the world and how it operates.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:04 am

NO IT'S HERE KITTY KITTY KITTY!!!


chrisTN
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:09 am

Are you refering to the “eventual” “governmnet take over” of health care? At best with a public option it would be nowhere near the 20% you are talking about. I guess I'm ignorant, because to me it's about driving costs down for people that aren't lucky enough to work for companies that share the costs AND covering those who cannot afford it. Poor people go the hospital for health care. If a hard working person was to lose a job, there are NO options. Cobra? Private insurance? Come on now. I have friends that pay over $1000 per month for private insurance for a family of 3. That's ignorant.


LiberalJesus
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:26 am

You're just a sick greedy woman deeann. Your black heart is not very well disguised either.


larry555
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:31 am

A public option will lead to a single-payer system – the single payer will be the federal government. There's no way around this – what large corporation wouldn't quit paying for private health insurance if they could? Drop the coverage and everyone starts sucking the government teat. Obama has said this would be the end result of a public option – it may take several years but it will happen.

I am sympathetic with your friends' situation. The health insurance industry needs some serious reform but the way to do it is DEFINITELY NOT to turn the industry over to the government.

Think about this: Obama has said, regarding some of his programs, that it took 8 years to get us into this mess so don't expect results overnight. Yet we've had private health insurance forever and he wants to drastically change it in a few months – without seriously examining other options. Don't tell me we're not having something shoved down our throats.


tekno2600
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:39 am

Jo-Jo,
is the one who is going to get repealed. We're sick of his Billionaires for Wealthcare B.S.


CalSailor
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:44 am

One of the fallacies in the Republican approach to health care is that the law of supply and demand does not work in health care, unless we artificially find ways to encourage it. Unfortunately, the Republicans have been demonizing the only parts of the bill that are designed to do so: Comparative Effectiveness (CE) methods and end of life directives.

Definition: CE looks at a variety of treatments and says: These work, and these others do not work. For example, for surgery procedure “A” , the rate of surgery in some parts of the country are twice what they are in other parts of the country and yet the outcomes are not different. This should trigger a question as to what is being accomplished. In fact, watchful waiting may in fact be the better option (what President Obama was talking about when he said that if we had the information, we might choose the waiting mode rather than immediately jumping to surgery.)

The other part of the bill from the House was the famous page that triggered the “death panels” question. In places where there is an active effort to communicate with patients about care options toward the end of life, patients choose a type of care that meets their needs and, it turns out, this it not always the most expensive. For example, the whole Terri Schiavo mess (the woman who was comatose after a heart attack and spent quite a number of years in a nursing home before the husband turned off the life support, and the family objected; it was fought all the way to the Supreme Court. Congress and President Bush also got themselves in the middle of it, as well.) was, to a large degree, a battle between the parents and the husband about what Terri would have wanted. How many of you think a young woman in her late 20s would have wanted to be kept on life support under the conditions she existed under, perhaps for decades?

A lot of very expensive treatment at the end of life is ordered by the family who often don't know WHAT the patient would have wanted, but are emotionally caught up in “doing everything possible” for granny, as a means of showing love, and perhaps of some guilt. It is very possible, and even probable, that granny would NOT have wanted all that. What granny probably wants is to be able to die at home, or at least, in a familiar place, with family, and not in pain. That is not the same as crash carts, lots of tubes, etc. EVERY poll of those facing the end of life overwhelmingly supports this idea. And yet, we spend thousands of dollars/person in trying to do futile “stuff” for granny. And yet, trying to make sure that wishes are carried out has left with the equation that “to care = spend everything, do everything possible.” End of life directives are perhaps the single most effective planning we can do for our families.


carrie65
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:05 am

mr bonehead and mr barton, the public is watching and waiting for 2010, u need to win to do any harm..and u wont..we the people are watching u


woonsocket
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:16 am

Maybe Joe should use all his energy to secede Texas from The Union. There will be fewer Republicans in Congress & the rest of the country will get affordable health care for everyone. Please, Joe, leave. You can ban abortion, repeal the Civil Rights Act and set up your own border patrol. You can set up a hospital for the rich while people without health care will cross the border into America. Business in you state will dry up faster than a tumbleweed. Because of people like you I became a Canadian citizen & universal health care is one of the best things that ever happened to me. The money I saved I invested in stocks in your country as well as Canada. Our recession is OVER.


sfbbmom
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:20 am

So let's hope that Ohio voters get rid of this Neanderthal. I suggest that all people in Ohio send Boehner their medical bills. If he cares for them, he will pay for them. If not, we know where he is. Please, people of Ohio, get rid of this representative. He is against your interests, unless you are a multimillionaire if not billionaire. And against the interests of other lower and middle class Americans nationwide. Are you not smart enough to see him for what he is? I hope so.


janeycat57
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:20 am

i'm sure Obama has seriously examined all options and has had the best advisers working on health care reform.so many people in office have been working on health care for the last 40 plus years..i dont think that is rushing anything..it's about time all americans have the same care that our elected officials enjoy.
i cant wait to here the crys of all the wealthy insurance ceo's…i bet they cry louder than the banking ceo's.haha


sosad69
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:40 am

Typical republican tantrum. Wasn't 8 years of screwing things up enough? Now it's the dems turn to play janitor and clean up and actually get something done.


rxvette
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Another Dumbpublican shooting his mouth off. Instead of trying to find ways to help the American people they are worried about winning a political war. This is what we should be talking about with health care reform on the line – http://bit.ly/9QLV8.


TR
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 4:06 am

Rep Barton, you can repeal yourself next election cycle.


tomharmon
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 4:19 am

…hey dummy barton…health care reform is about access for more people and driving down costs…it's not about ideology and playing to your self interests…it's obvious that you could care less about the 47 million american citizens who don't have access to health care…you republicans couldn't solve a problem if it hit you between the eyes…you boneheads should get out of the way so that reform can happen in health care, immigration, education, etc..


truthseeker
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 4:39 am

Just like they're going to repeal Medicare and Social Security. Good luck with that!


moores12
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 6:22 am

To republicans everything is politics. Poor dumb folks that sent them to repesent them to washington are living in box with high walls. The BS they are being fed must smell good, or they just don't know no better. I 'd like to think the later. Health care is like the breaks on your car you only need them once. The very time you hit them and find that they don't work! All those other times were a courtesy. You don't want government running health care, but your premiums keep going up and so does your out of pocket cost. In good conscious how can you beleive that. Could it be a Black Man in the white house, and you can't support anything he wants to do for you? Ask your self this question where was health care reform for the eight years of GWB and the republicans. Remember the drug program, the donut hole. Get informed and support something that will help you.


ajl12865
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 7:27 am

Hey conservative evangelicals. Health care companies are killing 60 policy holding Americans a month.

When Jesus comes back he's coming to your church- TO TAKE YOUR ASS OUT!


tomw2
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 7:37 am

Just a thought – the government is “we the people” not some weird monarchy the Republicans would have you believe. They sure want a lot of control over what they don't like – the government – and every time they have it, they try to destroy through incompetent mismanagement, the very thing they want to control… They have been defaming the government (we the people) for over 30 years to try and “kill the beast” … and therefore, never govern for the benefit of “we the people”, only for “they, themselves” … it is so blatantly obvious, it amazes me that anyone votes Republican anymore.


tomw2
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 7:55 am

Democrats should play Offense, not defense with the bumper sticker crowd. Logic doesn't work. “Say No to Healthcare, Say no to God” , “Say No to Public Option, Say No to the least among us” ; “Love thy Neighbor, Say “Yes” to the Public Option”; “We the people say “Yes to Healthcare reform”, in order to form a more perfect union”. If 40% of the population gets their news in 10 second soundbites, then give 'em soundbites that they can agree with.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

The U.S. economy works right now and has worked for many years with an underclass.

peter777 has nailed this one on the head.

And that is the ugly truth about capitalism: for it to work, you have to have the haves and the have-nots. And because the powers that be know this, they tell people that things that will actually benefit them, give the ones with less OPPORTUNITY than the the ones with more a more level playing field that it is “socialism” and “it’s bad for you”. And people, unfortunately, swallow this hook, line and sinker. And this is how they keep themselves in power and in control.

“I have the greatest admiration for your propaganda. Propaganda in the West is carried out by experts who have had the best training in the world – in the field of advertising – and have mastered the techniques with exceptional proficiency … Yours are subtle and persuasive; ours are crude and obvious … I think that the fundamental difference between our worlds, with respect to propaganda, is quite simple. You tend to believe yours … and we tend to disbelieve ours.”
- Soviet correspondent based five years in the U.S.


HSR0601
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 8:42 am

Theme : 6 Main Lies Have Nothing To Do With This Promising Reform.

If the findings of CBO over inaction had been released earlier, Ted Kennedy could've seen his lifetime wish come true.

Inaction cost, $9trillion over the next decade, can not be compared to the balance between estimate and outcome in a worst case of scenario, and this balance could be adjusted each year. ((Some of CBO analysis : While the costs of the financial bailouts and economic stimulus bills are staggering, they are only a fraction of the coming costs from Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that each year Medicaid will expand by 7 percent, Medicare by 6 percent, and Social Security by 5 percent. These programs face a 75-year shortfall of $43 trillion–60 times greater than the gross cost of the $700 billion TARP financial bailout)). Time does not fix endless greed and energy depletion.

When the public health is also one of commodity like a house, we come to a tragic and unthinkable conclusion : As to for-profit business, the more and longer ills patients get, the more profits they make, and it will debilitate the overall economy involving education for the future, not to mention continued bankruptcy of middle class.

Of young adults ages 19 to 29, 13.2 million, or 29 percent, lacked coverage in 2007, and that implies the total of this promising reform will be cheaper than expected, I guess.

In case of an unexpected injury or ill, they might give up their learning or aspiration, in this regard, this reform means liberty, job opportunity, competitiveness for them and future.

1. The contents of savings (below) in this reform 'have nothing to do with' limit to medical access, rationing, tax raise, and deficit etc.

Rather, without wiping out these wastes and roots of bankruptcy for middle class, all fronts are sure to face larger financial ruin than this recession, which leads to more limit to medical access, more rationing, more tax raise, and more deficit etc than today.

$1.042trillion (cost of reform) + $245bn (cost to reflect annual pay raise of docs) = $1.287bn (actual cost of reform).

$583bn (the revenue package) + $80bn (so-called doughnut hole) + $155bn (savings from hospitals) + $167bn (ending the unnecessary subsidies for insurers) + 129bn(mandate-related fine based on shared responsibility) + $277bn (ending medical fraud, a minimum of 3% , the combined Medicare and Medicaid cost of $923.5bn per year, as of July,) = $1.391trillion + the reduced cost of ER visits (Medicare covers some 40% of the total) + the tax code on the wealthiest more reduced than originally proposed = why not ? (except for a magic pill, an outcome-based payment reform & IT effects and so forth).

As lawmakers debate how to pay for an overhaul of the nation's health care system, a new report from The Commonwealth Fund claims that including both private and public insurance choices in a new insurance exchange would save the United States as much as $265 billion in administrative costs from 2010 to 2020.

“Health reform can help pay for itself, but both private and public insurance choices are critically important,” said Commonwealth Fund President Karen Davis, who coauthored the new report. “A public insurance plan can help drive new efficiencies in the system that will produce large cost reductions. Without a public plan, much of those potential savings will be lost.”

Unlike high fuel price and mortgage rate in recent years as the roots of great recession and bankruptcy of middle class, the severity in the high cost of health premiums has come to light lately. Similarly, in an attempt to hide these deficit-driven corruptions and wastes, the greed allies struggle to turn the savings via removing these wastes into limit to medical access, rationing, tax raise, and deficit etc.

In contrast, not to mention a wide range of consumer protection, options across state lines, this promising reform takes initiatives in more primary care docs and improved long-term care. And the bill expands coverage for mental health services, and defines what will be covered. It also prohibits co-payment charges for wellness and preventive medical care. There is no mention of rationing. The use of this term is, again, a gratuitous distraction aimed at feeding fear

2. Greedy insurers with no competitors by consolidation have nothing to do with the law of price, demand & supply.

Under the free market theory and the premise that the public health is also one of commodity like a house, if the demand decreases on a large scale, accordingly the price tends to reflect it, as in the case of house price, and it never happens for the price to spiral up. One step forward, in case the price is spiraling up, to be sure, the remaining clients should withdraw the contract or choose the other options. In practice, runaway premiums with no competitors by consolidation drive the enrollees out, and 4C + 2R (canceling, capping, cherry-picking, cash for special lobby, rationing, rapid premium hike) guarantee multiple times as much profit. Sadly, no way-out other than the prohibitive ER is allowed in America. Therefore, the victims today and tomorrow deserve long overdue protection from non-profit Government.

3. The plans to stem inflation in the House have nothing to do with crowd-out.
With the heartbreaking tears in mind (In no other industrialized country do 20,000 people die each year because they can’t afford to see doctor. Nearly 11 Million Cancer Patients Without Health Insurance), private market also needs changes and should join together to complete this reform , as promised, otherwise, the runaway premium only has itself to blame while new firms are filling the void with competitive deals.
And It can be said that fair competition starts with a fair, sustainable market value.

However, the plan in the House is designed to keep people in an employer-based health insurance system, and the public option would be offered to those for whom employer-provided insurance is not available. And job-based coverage (indirect payment), some mandate code, ample capital, the reduced exorbitant ER costs, IT base to streamline the administrative processes and trim the costs might be favorable to the private market. Over time, supposedly, the public plan will concentrate more on basic, primary cares, and the private insurers will provide their clients with differentiated services. And focus should be on the uninsured, the underinsured.

– Except For The Underinsured, The Uninsured Alone Outnumber The Entire Population In Canada –

In an attempt to avert innovation, moderation, and social responsibility, accusing essential affordability, citing take-over, will be a dirty play.

4. Profit-driven markets have nothing to do with affordable, sustainable public health.

When the public health is also one of commodity like a house, we come to a tragic and unthinkable conclusion : As to for-profit business, the more and longer ill patients get, the more profits they make, and it will debilitate the overall economy involving education for the future (Of young adults ages 19 to 29, 13.2 million, or 29 percent, lacked coverage in 2007).

Under the most wasteful structure on the planet like no coordinated preventive care program waiting until people get ill, about 50% of idle world's best practices, a pay for each and every service reimbursement and frequent readmissions, no e-medical record and deaths, crushing litigations and the more profits via the unnecessary, risk-carrying procedures, and the most inefficient paper billing systems imaginable, overpriced pharmaceuticals, bloated insurance companies, incredible medial fraud, exorbitant costs by the tragic ER visits etc, it might be no wonder with the comprehensive, systematic reform in the pipeline, just one attitude of patient-oriented value in 10 regions has attained 16% of savings in Medicare while their quality scores are well above average.

Aside from the already allocated $583 billion and the savings of this reform package, 16% of $923.5bn (the combined Medicare and Medicaid cost per year, as of July) is around $147.76bn per year and 1.4776trillion over the next decade, and this patient-oriented value alone could be enough to meet the goal.

Please be 'sure' to visit http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/opinion/13gaw… for credible evidences !

Today, another innovative, fundamental change in payment system, or patient's outcome based payment reform that is able to turn the profit-oriented malpractices and volume into the patient-oriented value and quality is waiting for a final decision.

5. Inflation-driven greedy allies backed by the insurers have nothing to do with deficit-neutral.

When some part of our body is ailing seriously, we are going to lose competitiveness, equally, when some part of a nation is ailing servery, it is going to loose competitiveness, too. In case somebody in the house gets ill, health will be put over house, in practice.

6. The analyses of CBO have nothing to do with common sense and practice.

Costs of Preventable Chronic Disease account for around 75% of the nation’s $2.4 trillion medical care costs. U.S. health care spending is also expected to double in the next 10 years. and they are largely preventable — 80 percent of the risk factors are behavior-related.

Unlike the analyses of CBO, world-wide outstanding public programs put heavier emphasis on preventive program equally, and preventable swine flu pandemic is expected to cost about $2trillion dollars world-wide for the lack of prepared vaccines. (Genes included in the new swine flu have been circulating undetected in pigs for at least a decade, according to a team led by Rebecca Garten of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who have sequenced the genomes of more than 50 samples of the virus).

If CBO asks the profit-driven interests about why they have hindered the budget request for preventive program in Medicare and Medicaid, they will say, ” just look at the health Katrina special lobbying has made, the more and longer ill, the more profits, we are professional, and we are obstructing this reform right now, too ” .

7. Conclusion : The public health is a fundamental human right.

As I said above, patient-oriented value alone could be enough to meet the goal, and another innovative, fundamental change in payment system, or patient's outcome based payment reform that is able to turn the profit-oriented malpractices and volume into the patient-oriented value and quality is waiting for a final decision.

If At least, some media pay attention to this flower of reform, people will feel empty as the past and current discussion has been time-consuming for sure.

Thank You !


madalfa
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:06 am

It is a shame that Republicans are more concern about making Obama failed rather than helping the American people. Health Care is not only a Right but a National Security Issue.
Republican want Free Health Care for themselves but are vehemently opposed to the idea of a Public Option. The rich can afford to buy the best Health Care Coverage that money can buy but they would want you to pay for it in the form of tax credit
Why are democrats not pointing this fact to the American people. When I hear the Right wing political harlots talk of tax credit for medical insurance I feel like shouting to the whole world ; “hey these guys are lying and they don't care about the working Joe


dgreer
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:21 pm

Yes, I would love to see a GOP house or Senate member try it. Of course the GOP will be lucky to maintain the seats they have now. This racist southern white boy party is finished.


dgreer
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:26 pm

They are, but the corporate media won't report it.CNN has refused an ad which criticized the CEO of an insurance company who makes $100,000.00 per hour. There is a petition going to CNN on this very subject.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:47 pm

THEN STAY OFF OF MY STREETS, OFF MY SIDEWALKS ….DIG A HOLE IN YOUR BACK YARD BECAUSE BUILD A OUTHOUSE TO TAKE A SHIT BECAUSE THAT WATER THAT RUNS INTO YOU HOUSE THAT DAMN SOCIALISM BROUGHT IT THERE WE WILL SEND SOMEONE TO DIG IT UP….DON'T CALL THE POLICE THERE ARE A PART OF THAT TOO. UNEDUCATED REDNECK NO NOTHING KEEP YOUR NARROW OPINION TO YOURSELF FREEK


elpinche
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Can Cantor do a press to announce that the republicans will officially drop the “compassionate conservative” crap now? How about “Freedumbs aint Free, so get a Brain Morans.”

Instead of an elephant, the new GOP mascot should be a picture of Reagans face with a backwards R on his cheek.


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chrisTN
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

I am not against allowing persons to buy insurance across state lines (whatever will drive the cost down). Although I usually vote for Democrats, I really do appreciate free markets. IIt just doesn't exist in this instance. I just wish Republicans would sell there product instead of just saying no. I know there is the Bennett Bill and some others, but I haven't heard he details. I am not one of these people that says anything but the public option is a failure. I appreciate your civil debate and I hope the Senators pass a good bill that helps everyone. I think it can be done. Thanks again


Henk_sg
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

“…f they somehow manage to get the votes and get enough Democrats to walk the plank and commit political suicide..”

This is the key to the Republican strategy, scare enough weak kneed Democrats into voting against the will of the people. Its a brilliant strategy (these scare tactics are the ONLY thing Republicans are actually good at.) in that it scares enough Blue Dogs into voting against reform, which in turn angers the progressives. So it pits Dem against Dem, it riles up the wing nut base, who would never vote for Dems in the first place and to top it all off it makes the Democrats look weak in the eyes of the Independent voter. I mean who wants to be associated with a bunch of losers so they drift over to the Republican side. Blue Dogs fall for it every time.


noorman11
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

Thanks Joe for the heads up.

You've activated a sleeping silent citizen that will work to end your and the GOP's influence forever in politics in this country.

No more favoring corporate power over the citizens of this country. I mean the US of course, not the Texas Republic of Never Change.


tblackmon
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

typical of the wing nut operatives for the health insurance lobbies. Apparently Barton is not an academic nor student of recent world history. Example, Australia acquired public health care only to have it repealed by their Conservative Party when they came to power again. Needless to say it was a bad decision, one might even say retarded, for its retraction of progress. Public health insurance was quickly reinstated and has never been touched since. The British had the same experience with the public option. The British Conservative Party realized a significant reduction in size and power after a public health option was established, as voters realized the negatives of the public option described by the Conservatives never materialized. The voting public was lied to and the Conservative Party in the UK has never recovered. The GOP knows this, and will do anything to prevent further demise of their crippled and corrupt Party.


laurencehotchkiss
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

If the Republicans are returned to power in 2010 it will only happen because the American people of returned to their living rooms and have disengaged (again) from the political process. Political illiteracy in the USA is rampant. We have a chance to change that. But it requires that people make an effort. Otherwise the wing-nuts will gan control again and dismantle everything that is good for our Country and for our people. We are struggling against people with no shame, as is clearly illustrated by the threat of Joe Barton. Clearly he is totally uninterested in what the people are asking for, and clearly interested in what big business is demanding.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

Marilyn, the government will have no more power to take money from your bank account than the cable company or the electric company or the gas company or your insurance company, or anyone else you foolishly give that ability to. If you don’t want them in your bank account, you don’t give them the number, plain and simple. Why is that such a hard concept for so many people to grasp? Every time I sign up for something, they ask for my bank account number so they can go into my account, and I always politely tell them, “No thank you, I will take care of they payments myself.” Very simple…


Anonymous
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 2:23 am

Marilyn, as far as you last couple of paragraphs, were you so upset when the constitution was actually being torn apart or just now that it is being restored? Were you so concerned about where our money was going when we started an unnecessary war with a country who posed no threat to us, to the tune of billions and trillions of dollars? Now you think it is the people on the left who are trying to tear the country apart? Is it the people on the left who are going to townhall meetings and screaming and yelling instead of holding intelligent conversations? Is it the people on the left who ran out and bought guns the day after the election? And why do you mention not watching ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN or MSNBC news; but you don’t mention not watching FAUX News? Is that because that is the station you are watching for your information? That would explain some of you misguided beliefs.

One more thing: That statement about giving the president the same respect as the last one got. The problem is that this president is well-educated, has moral values, is eloquent, and has the public’s interest at heart. That commands a lot more respect than a president who used to be an alcoholic and a drug addict, who cannot put together a sentence to save his life, who is a war-mongerer, whose family bought him his college degree, who ran several businesses that he was given into the ground and now the whole country, and whose only concern is how can he get more of the tax-payers’ money into his own and his friends’ pockets. That is why this president commands more respect. He has paid his dues and earned it.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Very well said.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 2:41 am

Marilyn, funny how you speak for everyone who voted for President Obama. I, for one, am not regretting it. Quietly, in the background, he has managed to restore a lot of our freedoms that were taken from us in the last administration. Are you aware that habeus corpus was dismantled under the last regime and now has been quietly restored? Or that, while everyone was distracted with the war that was being pushed down our throat, corporations were given the power to take your property if they deemed it necessary for them to build a business there that would make them a huge profit? My guess is you were not even aware of these things because you were too busy watching FOX TV. As far as 80% of American people not wanting health care reform, I guess I must not get out much because almost everyone I know personally wants and/or desperately needs health care reform now.

Also, the only area where President Obama is “inexperienced” is politics as usual. He has most of his experience as a lawyer and a grass-roots organizer, and, to tell you the truth, I would rather have a president with experience helping the poor any day than one who has experience with cocktail parties and riding golf carts and taking money and gifts from lobbyists.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:04 am

If you are healthy, you should count your blessings, but don’t penalize people who are sick. It is ridiculous to call a sick person lazy. Obviously, you have never been sick. If you should become so, though, you had better hope that people are more merciful to you than you are to them. There’s this thing called karma.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:19 am

Deeann, all those government programs you mention as failing were all solvent until Good Ole Boy George stole the presidency and gave all the money to his Good Ole Boy friends. Before the last eight years, all of the above-mentioned programs were running just fine. As long as Georgie Boy or one of his brothers (unfortunately, there are more)don’t run for president again, I believe that these agencies will be able to bounce back. Social Security actually had a surplus until Georgie Boy started stealing from the cookie jar to pay his good ole friend, Cheney (Halliburton) for the Iraq War (funny how Iraq had nothing at all to do with the World Trade Center, which was the excuse…they just had a lot of oil and Bush wanted to get back at Hussain for threatening to kill his father). Then he wanted to do away with Social Security altogether so people would put all their money in the stock market so there would be plenty in there when the insiders decided to pull all the money out and crash the market. No, I believe if we have the proper people running the government, those are all fine programs. We just need to make sure we never put a moron in such a position of power again.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 4:05 am

Ha! MORAL??? Is it moral to kill a baby? Is it moral to deny a baby that survives an abortion intervention that would allow it to survive, provide comfort or medication that would ease the pain of being ripped from it mothers body?? You hail this “president” as a HERO! He’s not. He sold cocaine on the streetcorner or did you conveniently forget that? His associates with known communists, domestic terrorists (which you obvously thought was no big deal) that are now part of this administration and influencing the laws and where the money goes?? His behind closed door deals with Pharma, buddy George’s deal with the Brazillian offshore drilling that will make him even richer? He’s no angel just like Bush wasn’t.
 
 I wasn’t a Bush supporter so there goes that theory, huh? As far as Fox News, they are the ONLY organization that has the guts to tell the truth! All the others are bought and paid for. They are just mouthpieces for Obama. His numbers are tanking big time…46% approval rating! I happen to be one of those indepedents he keeps attempting to wine and dine. People are waking up to the fact that this president is no different than any other! They are all in it for themselves, they don’t care what effect these policies have on the average citizen. They live in their own little bubble, they are so out of touch with the public. Every one of them needs booted on their butts and start over, just like this health care bill.


Elizabeth
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:02 am

<<<<<If the findings of CBO over inaction had been released earlier, Ted Kennedy could've seen his lifetime wish come true.>>>>

I can't believe anyone can think or say anything flattering about Ted Kennedy! You wish the findings of CBO over inaction had been released earlier so Ted Kennedy could have seen it????? I wish that Ted Kennedy had been decent enough to save Mary Jo Kopechne. I bet her family wished the same thing. All the years they had to watch Ted Kennedy and the entire family and see people put him on a pedal stool is cruel beyond belief. If you have such a big heart and are so compassionate, where is your compassion for Mary Jo? Ted Kennedy could afford the best medical care, and had the money to pay his way out of his legal problems.

Why do you hate hard working, tax paying citizens who oppose give away programs to those who are able to work, but “want” to stay home, or insist on starting their dream of owning their own company? Pretty soon, hard working citizens are going to join the group that doesn't want to work, and no one will be paying taxes. Then what??????

I am all for the programs that help those unable to help themselves or those experiencing temp unemployment and work hard looking for work; but if you go to prescriptionforchange.org you will see that over half of the stories on there are individuals that have more children when they can't afford the ones they have, and people who are living their dreams of owning their own business so they can't afford health care. Well, I want to work for myself too, but it isn't possible, so I go to work for a Company.

Obama made COBRA affordable for a limited time. Why not continue something like this to help those who were working? Don't give away the farm, because some people don't want to work!!!!

I'm paying 38% in taxes now, and I cannot afford another cent!! I had two children instead of four, because two is what I can afford. I am paying for their college educations; I'm not relying on the government (tax payers) to pay for them. Taxpayers didn't decide that I should have kids; why should they pay for them? Again, I'm for helping those who cannot help themselves, but it is not an American right to have as many children as you would like, and then decide you want to stay home with them and let everyone else pay your way.

I stayed home for awhile and we did without things. We had catastrophic coverage and paid for each doctor's visit out of our own pocket.

I am not rich, and I do not expect or want the wealthy to pay for me and my family!!!!


Elizabeth
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:19 am

Yeah!! He's taking it to Heaven. Will I see you there??

I'm a hard working conservative paying too much in taxes now; I CANNOT afford anymore or I will not be able to afford to work and I'll join the group that stays home and lives off the tax payers. The government needs to decide which programs we can afford. People who are able to work need to work!!!! We should help those who are not unable to work. We should help those who worked and lost their jobs, but only for a reasonable determined amount of time. The rest need to go to work. There are people who work two and three jobs. I myself worked two jobs for two years. This my friend, is the American way.

Did you see the movie “Cinderella Man?” If not, you should rent it. It is a true story about a fighter, who during the Depression had to rely on “the dole” and when he was able to, he paid it back!!! Wow!!!! What a concept!!!!! People who accept help, and then work hard to pay it back.

Jesus wants people to work!hard; Idle hands are the devil's workshop. –


Elizabeth
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:23 am

Hey Joe, you have my vote and the votes from all of my Christian, conservative friends!!! Thanks for all you do!!!!


Danxyz
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:25 am

Oh, the Republicans will return to power!! They have to, if we want to keep our Country as our founding fathers intended. — Be careful what you ask for!!


dumbfounded2
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:49 am

Larry, you are sounding like the naive and ignorant one here.


kennethetucker
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:55 am

Joe ' I heard give, Hand Jobs for Crack' Barton must STILL be on a 3-4-5 day 'binge'. Let's take hit of his (bull)sh*t and suspend reality for a second and say the reich-wing manages a 70 vote swing in the House and a 11 seat swing in the Senate…wow, this IS good 'sh*t', Joe…. uhhhh what we're we talking about… oh,…yeah. BOTH the house and Senate go (R)…. give me another hit, this ain't taking, Joe. OUT! You assh*le! Get on back into the Larry 'I'm NOT Gay I just LOVE to suck co*k' Craig 'reserved' stall and get some more money and another rock….. tick-tock-tick-tock
FINALLY, me first. And, another… ok, what the fu*k are we doing? Really? Seriously?! Another hit, man, I ain't that fu*ked up! Ok… so rethugs have the house and senate…wow. And, they're gonna repeal health care? wow… man… that's FU*KED UP, dude.

And, Obama's gonna sign it?

Joe: sh*t….


kennethetucker
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 4:01 am

GOP

Born of Anti-Slavery – July 06, 1854

Died of Racism November 07, 2008


dumbfounded2
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 4:06 am

I really want to know why you conservatives feel you have a monopoly on working hard. In my leaner years, I worked several jobs at a time to pay the bills. Unlike you, for a quite long period of time I worked a full-time job plus two part-time jobs. I believe that my work was probably just as hard and stressful as yours, and I raised three children! But just because I have had to work hard in my life, that doesn't make me think that people who are sick or unemployed because of this terrible economy (no one wants to hire an American because they may have to pay taxes on someone who is legal) are undeserving of basic human dignity and kindness. I was a single parent and went deep into debt to pay the bills (mostly medical), and when my children were grown and I was able, I paid my way out of debt the hard way. So what you are talking about is not unique to conservatives. I would consider myself a liberal. I just don't believe that, now that I have survived and made it through the hard times, that other people shouldn't have health care. And it is not a “hand-out.” It is a basic human right. It's funny that you should speak of Jesus when you have this attitude.


kennethetucker
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 4:07 am

Sounds like BS to me. What tax bracket are you in? Will not be able to' afford to work'? If you're in THAT tax bracket, minimum wage/working poor and so close to the medicaid/food stamps and where you'd make more on the 'dole' than working…BS. What state do you live in? Another movies are real, '24' is real' Sadam and Osama were drinking buddies kool-aid drinking non-thinking reich-wing whiner. Love it or leave it, whiner.

'Elections have consequences!” George Bush, Jan 2005.


dumbfounded2
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 4:13 am

Instead of speaking out of jealousy of the people who are going ahead and starting their own business in this time when jobs are hard to find, maybe you should go back and read your statement and see the irony in what you are saying. You want to start your own company but can't because you have to have your present company's insurance plan. However, the very thing you are fighting against is the thing that would allow you to pursue your dreams. Instead, you would rather bite off your nose to spite your face. How funny… Just because somebody out there might be lazy (which, more often than not, is not the case), you would work against a win-win situation instead of for one.


laurencehotchkiss
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 6:10 am

I agree. It is also a matter of history that at the time of the American Revolution against England, it was the CONSERVATIVES who argued that the Colonies should remain subject to England. Conservatives should CONSERVE that which is of great value — not simply the privileges of the rich and the high and the mighty.


laurencehotchkiss
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 6:13 am

Republicans are successful to scare the weak-kneed only because the Republicans have no shame to tell ties and fabricate falsehoods to achieve their objectives.


1cole
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Good! Pass it and best of luck in 2010.


Suck My Chaney, Dick
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Hey Asshole Joe, Why don't you give up your socialist health insurance that I'm helping to pay for, you fucktard. Then again, you're not really a man anyway, are you. Just another closeted homosexual rebublicunt that likes to hang out at the Larry Craig memorable public men's room and tongue wash men's assholes after they take a shit.


Suck My Chaney, Dick
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Hey Asshole Joe, Why don't you give up your socialist health insurance that I'm helping to pay for, you fucktard. Then again, you're not really a man anyway, are you. Just another closeted homosexual rebublicunt that likes to hang out at the Larry Craig memorable public men's room and tongue wash men's assholes after they take a shit.


Suck My Chaney, Dick
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Can we get another two low IQ, weak and stupid, homosexual moron who needed fertility drugs to have a couple of drug addled whore daughters like we did last time? Please…


Suck My Chaney, Dick
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Hey Elizabeth, you cunt. I pray you and your christian friends all wind up with cancer. I'll laugh my ass off if and when you do! Oh, yeah, do me a favor and list your home address please. I'm always looking for my next guilt free victim.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:36 am

Which actions did our founding father intend but accidentally forbid in the Constitution?
Are you referring to the warrantless wiretapping of American citizens?
Or perhaps the warrantless seizure of property that the founding fathers found tyrannical?
Or was it the warrantless jailing of citizens that the founding fathers found tyrannical?
Or the denial of freedom of speech that the founding fathers found tyrannical?

I am sure you realize my dilemma! Not only was there a smorgasbord of actions that did violence to the Constitution of the United States, not only were those that swore to protect my rights the same people that tried to deny my countrymen their rights, but there are actually American citizens who find this behavior honorable.

Who will seek out those that committed these acts and give them the reward they have earned? Please! Show me the Republican who will deliver us from those people whose actions are the same as the tyrants who our founding fathers sought to protect me from!


ajl12865
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

Elizabeth,

The insurance companies are killing 60 people a month by cutting them off the insurance programs they have paid for when their sick. All for the same gold Judas took to betray our Lord to the cross. You are part of this process. I have known two people personally that this has happened to so don't try to tell me it's liberal propaganda! If you assist these people this blood is on your hands. If you ever expect to get to heaven repent now and honor the parable of the Good Samaritan.

I am a hard working independent without insurance and I'm tired of my tax dollars subsidizing your insurance policies. The tax subsidy to businesses from the Federal Government is the third largest health care expense topping the amount spent on Medicaid. What we cannot afford is the tax breaks to richest americans which did nothing but lead us into economic chaos. Without George W. Bush, Phil Gramm and Co. (including you by the way) passing the very deregulation that allowed the melt down we would never have had to pass the TARP or the Stimulus. Your “conservative” ideals are bankrupt as well as being not that conservative. Bush ran up the largest deficit in history by borrowing to fund the largest expansion of government in history. My family friend Barry Goldwater is turning in his grave right now as a result no doubt.

I work two jobs and still cannot get by. The wall street bankers and health care executives (Republicans) make an average of $900,000 a year to push paper and go on vacation. If these people are the “job creators” then they get an “F” based upon their recent performance.

Stop listening to talk radio and stop helping evildoers that are motivated by nothing more than money. We as working Americans must hang together to defeat the Health Care companies that are setting prices (like Stalin) so high that the average person can't afford to even save their own life, no matter how many jobs they work. If your worried about yourself help others, this is the example Christ set for us.

Shame on you and the rest of your Wingnut friends.


sue
Comment posted March 22, 2010 @ 2:21 pm

thank you demacrates for passing this health care bill. people like me ( the working poor ) , can now get heathcare. I am a female truck driver and i make $500.00 a week, sometimes not even that only $ 300.00 a week. I could get insurance through the company i work for but the premiums are so high along with the deductibles that i can't afford it, it would take a major part of my income to purchase. I hope by this healthcare passing that i could afford healthcare.My two prescriptions that i purchase , i pay out of my pocket, they are both generic, one is $ 4.00 a month and the other is $ 73.00 a month.


nofear2010
Comment posted March 22, 2010 @ 3:14 pm

Thanks for nothing at all you elitist democrats! You have now saddled my children, and their children with the largest debt known to mankind. You did not listen to the majority of Americans who said “NO!” and you claimed you were somehow smarter and would do it anyway. So the Leftards are socially engineering our society. How long before they call the Constitution “outdated” and irrelevent? Our only hope is prayer and revolution, just like our wise and couragous forefathers. Get ready.


nofear2010
Comment posted March 22, 2010 @ 7:35 pm

Here's what the American people say about this travesty of a Health Bil in a poll being done today at:

http://politics.newsvine.com/_question/2010/03/….

Total of 419,463 votes

65.5% – Angry 274,684 votes
27.4% – Excited. 114,764 votes
6.3% – I don't know 26,527 votes
0.8% – Other 3,488 votes

Gee, I guess we don't have a Representative Government anymore. FYI – All the Democrats voted for, and all the Republicans voted against. Time to vote some real representatives into power (I.e., get rid of those arrogant Democrats for good!)


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