Mike Huckabee: Obama-Style Health Care Might Have Made Kennedy ‘Take Pain Pills and Die’

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Friday, August 28, 2009 at 5:40 pm

Sam Stein listens in to Mike Huckabee’s little-noticed radio commentaries for ABC and finds a bit of bad taste. Huckabee’s commentary on the morning of Aug. 27, which aired hours after the death of Sen. Ted Kennedy, argued that government health care might have prodded him to end his life early.

Transcript and audio below the fold.

Senator Ted Kennedy’s death had barely hit the news before we start hearing calls that Congress must hurry and pass the health care reform bill, and do it in his memory. That not only defies good taste–it defies logic.

We certainly can and should respectively recognize his years of advocacy and work for the things that he truly believed in. But there is no good reason to rush through a giant, unread bill that would transform American health care and impact every citizen. But easily the worst reason to do it is in the name of someone who, perhaps inadvertently, gave us the most shining example of why this particular bill is so bad.

It was President Obama himself who suggested that seniors who don’t have as long to live might want to just consider taking a pain pill instead of getting an expensive operation to cure them. Yet when Sen. Kennedy was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer at 77, did he give up on life and go home to take pain pills and die? Of course not. He freely did what most of us would do. He choose an expensive operation and painful follow up treatments. He saw his work as vitally important and so he fought for every minute he could stay on this earth doing it. He would be a very fortunate man if his heroic last few months were what future generations remember him most for.

I want to see improvements in health care, too. But I think a better way to honor Ted Kennedy would be to ensure that every American has access to the latest private health care, as good as what senators receive.

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ajm8127
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

You want to talk about defying good taste. If I was a very ill old man who could be cured by an expensive operation, or die in peace with something to numb the pain, I guess I would have to reflect on my life and how my death would effect people around me. It's not unreasonable to think that if I was very old and ill, and had lived a long, full life, the last thing I might want is more bother and stress in the hospitals. Maybe I would just choose to go peacefully…


Huckapedia
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

Mike Huckabee's popularity continues to skyrocket to new levels. The GOP is beginning to rally around Huckabee as it's new Republican leader for 2012. The great Ronald Reagan made his comeback win from 1976 to 1980 in the same fashion and the Republican base started rallying around him. Both men are two of the world's best communicators, governor's, limited government, TV and Radio superstars.

Mike Huckabee's fan base continues to expand, it's network is growing at a phenomenal pace. No other Presidential candidate keeps his fan base so enthusiastic for such a long duration.

Google: Huckabee Fan Club

Check out his fan base, there is no rainbow too high the Huckabee Fan's won't climb. One thousand small steps by Huckabee Fans and One Gigantic step for Mike Huckabee.


JimPA
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

The more Mike Huckabee opens his mouth, the more I don't like his views. He was invited by a pro-settlement group Ateret Cohanim/Jerusalem Reclamation Project to come and speak in Israel. He says “the US has taken too harsh a stance against Israel on the issue of settlements.” US should not “be telling Jewish people in Israel where they should and should not live.”

When Salon.com “Mike Huckabee this week traveled to a foreign country and, speaking on foreign soil, is now bashing America in front of a foreign audience..”

Huck replys: “I haven’t even bashed Obama’s anti-Israel and promise breaking policy and I have certainly had the opportunity.”

I feel peace in the Middle East is going to be hard enough. Huckabee is just another opportunist politician who cares about 2012 more than anything else.

http://tolbertreport.com/2009/08/20/controversy…

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/08/…


JimPA
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

I like him less and less everyday.


paullouismosley
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Well, obamaScare might have killed kennedy, but only academically. No president or member of congress will ever have to be under any form of national health care we might one day be subjected to. They, of course, have their own Platinum Health Care Plan and would not think for a moment of signing on to the plan they are plotting for us peons.


igormarxomarxovich
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

How you tell when politician lie?

Comrade Pelosi blink

Slick Willy rub nose

Comrade Obama open mouth

Dumb Donkey Gibbs laugh…Hehaw..he..haw..he..haw!

Is this really health care “reform”?

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JimPA
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

Have any Republicans ever lied?


JimPA
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

What's “obamaScare”?


peter3dogs
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

When doctors got ahold of my father ,[who wanted to die in his home,] becuase he had GOV'T health care they kept in the hospital 2 mos,till &then said he could LAST another 10 YEARS IN A GOV'T PAID NURSING HOME.
THE IDEA THAT GOV'T HEALTH CARE WILL CAUSE DR.S TO WANT TO KILL PEOPLE GOES AGAINST SIMPLE LOGIC.
YOU CAN'T BILL FOR A DEAD PERSON !!!


voter
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 12:35 am

“Little noticed” radio reports??? He plays on over 500 affiliate radio stations thrice daily, Monday thru Friday. You may not be noticing, but plenty of radio listeners are.

Reminds me of the media person who stated, “I can't believe he won; nobody I know voted for him.”


tommyJames
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Huckapedia – sounds like you need another hit from the Huckabee pipe my friend, that wasn't nearly enthusiastic enough.

You probably think he's the next Peter Hook on bass too, huh?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:28 am

Mebbe so, mebbe not, but the point is, WE don't notice what Huckabee says on the radio. Maybe that point is lost on you. Let me try again.

There are 300 million people in America. What percentage do you think is aware of what Huckabee says on the radio? If you think he has 3 million listeners, I think you're being generous. But let's be outrageous and say he has 30 million.

That means 90% of the country doesn't notice what he says. That means he's little-noticed.

Of course, I inflated the figure by an order of magnitude for you. So really it applies a fortiori to the real figures, which are much lower. Even Limbaugh doesn't have 30 million listeners.

Look, I like Huckabee myself. I'd never vote for him in a general election, but I'd invite him to my backyard BBQ. He's just not allowed to bring over any squirrel meat.

Don't let your love of the Huckster interfere with your ability to use numbers.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:30 am

Good post, peter3dogs.

And dead people can't vote, which is another reason government has no interest in killing old people.

Well, they used to be able to vote in Chicago. But now there's no need. The city's crawling with Democrats now. Joe Kennedy would be satisfied. No need to go to the pet cemeteries to embellish the voter rolls.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:33 am

Hey Jim. Birthers have morphed into health care resistance fighters, have you noticed?

I just know that the new season of the Simpsons will have something about birthers. Their take on the early primary season was hilarious (Ralph Wiggum ends up being chosen by the GOP powers that be as their choice for President, when Springfield moves its primary ahead of Iowa and New Hampshire).

igor is an idiot who isn't going to respond to your questions. He indicated “politician lie” but only gave examples (derisive ones at that) at what he contends without support are Democratic politicans lying.

And I would bet everything I own that Robert Gibbs has forgotten more about EVERY subject than Igor will ever retain.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:38 am

I hear you, Jim. I thought the same thing when I read the transcript of his comments on his radio program about Ted Kennedy's death.

I liked Huckabee during the campaign season because he seemed genuine and funny. He had a line he used with the South Carolina folks that I liked. He said that if people “came to our state and told US what to do with our flag, we'd tell 'em what they could do with the pole.” That was funny, even though I don't like the Confederate flag.

But now Huckabee is trying to win conservative votes, and more of them than he has already earned. This makes him say things that the rest of us find unpalatable. And he's going negative early.

The stuff you report about “Huck the Israel defender” is more of the same species. No way any right-winger can afford to look weak on Israel. The evangelicals need Israel to exist so that they can use it as a conduit to rapture to heaven through. So Huckabee has to contort himself to find some way of making himself look even more pro-Israel than the rest of the country.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:45 am

Hey, tommyJames, you could have let kid Icarus here keep flying higher and higher toward that Huckabee orb in the sky.

It would have been fun for us to watch him crash to earth when Huckabee loses half his fans to Sarah Palin and the other half of his fans get invited to a BBQ and forget to show up to vote in the primary.

Still, I can understand that you felt compelled to write what you did. It's clear that Huckapedia is unclear about who he supports. A little gentle prodding from you will make him less shy about voicing support for Huckabee.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:48 am

I find it very difficult, to say the least, to put myself in a KENNEDY'S shoes. I can't even imagine what it's like to be old. Much less old, white, rich beyond all counting, and famous beyond normal imagination.

Ted Kennedy had the most famous brothers who ever died by assassin's bullets. He also had a famous father. He had a legacy to think of. He never once thought about how he would afford the operations or procedures or rehabilitation sessions with a physical therapist. Older people in normal circumstances must consider such things. Or so I understand. I can't picture being old, even though I'm older than I've ever been. :)

I have a nephew who is now 12. When he was 6, on his birthday, he told me “I'm 6, Uncle Steve, and that's the oldest I've ever been!” I'll never forget that.


JimPA
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Hey Stephen. Not sure why Huckabee throws reason aside to get the conservative votes. All Huckabee has to be is “not black”. I still like that line “Doc is waiting for the President not to be black anymore”.

We probably should send someone out to the shed to check on Doc. I never thought he would stop posting for this long. Maybe when you put all of his posts together in a “best of”, he seen all of his threats against the President together and that scared him.


igormarxomarxovich
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 2:33 am

Compare Obama Care vs Igor Care at Obama vs Igor Care


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 2:35 am

I hesitate to take credit for chopping down the Tuci tree. But it may well be that my compilation of some of his classic (older than one month ago) threats was his undoing.

My suspicion is that Tuci did not volunteer to go gently into that good night. I wouldn't be surprised if the editors who moderate this board's comments saw all of his garbage in one place and blocked his IP address.

Otherwise I'd expect Tuci78 to have popped up on one of the health care threads. He might even use a new nickname, but if the editors stopped his IP address that would explain his absence.

Oh well, all this is speculation. As Rumsfeld was fond of saying, “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I got to use that one in a usury trial in Santa Clara county a few years ago.

Until I know definitively what happened to Tuci78, I'm just going to go with my working theory. He went out in search of a meal that hadn't been touched by Socialist hands, since he doesn't trust his nurse anymore, and then he forgot where he lived. Now he's wandering around aimlessly, looking for Ron Paul to help point him toward home.


JimPA
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 2:53 am

I had to google “Huckabee Fan Club” and the first hit was Huckabee's 2012 Official Fan Club. “Lifting America to higher ground with vertical Politics.” It has 760 members as of 9:35 pm central time, August 28, 2009. Two minutes later it was down to 759. Damn death squads. One minute it was back up to 760. I had to join. They had me at vertical politics. So if we continue to grow at this rate by 2012 we project 7,170 members.

The site's moderator is Huckapedia, no lie.
“Welcome to the Mike Huckabee 2012 Fan Club Member Page.
Total members = The number listed below + 435. Back in the early inception of the fan club the membership page didnt exist. The Huckabee Fan Club member page is similiar to Facebook and Twitter. You can invite others to be your friend. Add your picture, your web site address, your profile, your interests and hobbies. You can even email other members to chat with them within the Huckabee Fan Club profile pages. The greatest Presidential team ever assembled in modern history is taking shape here at the Huckabee Fan Club. Locate 3 more friends today.
Thanks for joining!

Huckapedia (moderator of the Huckabee Fan Club”

http://www.freewebs.com/huckapedia/apps/members/


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 4:12 am

Nice catch. Nothing screams democracy! like shameless attention whoring.


voxmagi
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 4:13 am

How carefully Mr Huckabee neglects to mention that the Kennedy family is rich, and can afford the option of radical surgery over pain pills and quiet death a few months earlier.

Unlike the Kennedy family, or any millionaire on the right or left, the rest of us don't have those options, even when there is hope of recovery through radical treatment. Our options are debt slavery or death…and the difference is that we are presently uninsured or underinsured.

And here lies the big secret the right cannot confess: However badly the Congress botches this bill, no matter what they come up with, no matter how much it costs….

…it will still be a better choice for millions upon millions of people who presently have one choice, dictated to them by “free-market style for-profit health care providers”…

…that choice is “Pay big bucks or go die.” And the sick part is that the entire GOP has NO MORAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT!


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 4:15 am

Not sure how “moderated” these threads are (witness some of the birther threads…), but maybe there are some lines you just can't cross, even here.


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 4:21 am

In modern America, nothing is worth doing if someone can't get obscenely rich…


voter
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 5:25 am

Stephenperry:

“WE don't notice what Huckabee says on the radio. Maybe that point is lost on you. Let me try again.”

Oh, but you see, it didn't get lost on me at all. I realize YOU didn't notice — ergo, my comment about nobody YOU know ever voted for someone YOU didn't like.

As for numbers, let's put it this way. However many people it takes to keep him completely competitive on his radio reports, it is what it is. And he gets between 3 to 4 million “voters” weekly listening to his show every weekend — his top rated weekend show. Now, of course, with all my strained mathematical abilities I realize I simply can't “do the numbers” — BUT, um, using your numerical logic, exactly how many people do you think listen to YOU.

Underestimate Huckabee, if you choose, but he has got the ability to charm the nonbelievers. That's why recently he was the only republican invited to participate in Katie Couric's roast — right along with David Axelrod. And that is also why PPP's recent poll shows him beating Obama with men, taking him with independents and trailing him by only 3 points, well within the MOE. I for one look forward to a 2012 campaign with two eloquent and charismatic contenders. Let the best guy win!!

So, substitute “love” for Mike Huckabee with “respect for genuine authenticity and principles ” and we may actually be connecting at some incredibly remote level.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 5:53 am

Ah, there's a bit of history here.

Tuci78 and I went round-and-round on the birther threads. He made absurd profane assassination threats before I started posting here, and I called him on it, profanely.

Eventually, after I continued using profanity to chastise him for his near-constant posts involving profane graphic prison rape fantasies about President Obama, he mentioned an email he'd received from an editor of this website, and threatened me that he'd tattle on me if I kept it up. So I kept it up. And he tattled. I got (and posted) an email from the editor, explaining that although he knew I was only responding in kind, I would be yet more persuasive without profanity.

And the editor told me, in a subsequent email, to apologize for allowing Tuci78's disgusting posts, that there are really only a few people who moderate these threads and they do their best.

And that was the last we saw of Tuci78. Now you're up to speed.


paullouismosley
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:07 am

obamacare is pretty SCARY if you ask me. We should be afraid…very afraid, of what is happening to our country. We already owe more than the country can every pay back. And with all this spending going on, it seems that people think the spending will stop here, and we'll just have to chip away at the debt being piled up now till we get it paid…unfortunately all our tomorrows will have needs of their own to meet and the spending does not stop here. The debt being amassed this year will NEVER get paid-off, let alone all our other debt.


paullouismosley
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:08 am

Well, I pretty much agree that we shouldn't be telling Israelis where to live. Do you want to be told where to live?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:09 am

LOL

I'm not unaware that other people listen to Huckabee. I know that he has a radio show. And I know that people listen to it. Just not very many of them! So the quote about how could he have won, no one I know voted for him is not apt.

I never said any large number of people listen to me. You're silly. I, along with a hundred other people, write comments on an obscure liberal comment board. I don't have delusions of grandeur. This is about Huckabee, not me. Are you going to ask how many votes I got in the 2008 Presidential election next? What a zinger.

3 to 4 million voters, huh? I thought that the article was about whether people, not voters, had noticed this radio program of Huckabee's. Thus the country's total population, not its number of voters, is what is relevant.

And where do you get that number? 3 to 4 million registered, likely, or actual voters? How many are felons and thus can't vote? How many oh never mind. Let's just pretend it's really 3 or 4 million. I'm glad that you understand my point. 131 million votes were cast in last year's Presidential election. So if Huckabee had 3 million of those votes, he could have been little-noticed by the guy who got 59.9 million and the guy who got 69.4 million. But you'd have been proud of him for getting more votes than Nader and Barr combined!

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that my point was lost on you.

I'm not underestimating Huckabee. I inflated the number of likely listeners by an order of magnitude, remember?

Are you seriously trying to tout Huckabee's strength by telling me he got invited to an event put on by Katie Couric? We all know Palin is terrified of Couric, but the rest of the world isn't going to pull over to the side of the road because Katie Couric wants to sit around a big table with Mike Huckabee and some guy on Obama's staff.

See, that's the thing. If Obama was there, instead of just his strategist, that would be a good status-showing. If you are the head of your company and you come to meet me (and I'm the head of my company) and I instead send an underling down to meet with you, that means I don't consider you anything close to an equal.

Of course, in reality I consider you an equal. I don't consider myself above anyone. I just don't believe we're all equally intelligent, or that all values are relatively equal.

I would respect Huckabee more if he hadn't made the asinine statements about Kennedy that are the subject of this article. As it is, I still think he's a funny, likable guy. I don't think he's a serious contender for the Presidency, though. He's going to lose too much of his core supporters when Palin comes out. She's like a dog whistle that only the base can hear.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:16 am

“We should be afraid…very afraid, of what is happening to our country”

Can you please elaborate on what we should be afraid of, and how that relates to Obama's health care proposals?

If your concern is that the country is in debt, what did you think of the Reagan years? How about Bush fighting his personal war without putting it on the budget, and instead continuing to slip in “supplementals” without telling the press what the costs would be?

When did you think the debt that every other President in the last 50 years has amassed would be repaid?

It looks to me like a party of 44 guys sitting around a big table eating and drinking. The 43 white guys get up and leave a big bill on the table. The one single solitary black guy keeps eating because he just got there. And now you're scared about who's going to pick up the check.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:21 am

Paul I don't think anyone disagrees with you.

It's more the political opportunism inherent in going over to Israel to say such things. It implies that he has a disagreement with the US government (read: Obama) when he says the US has taken too harsh a stance. Dirty laundry should be aired privately. Huckabee is not a government official and should not be meddling in foreign affairs. He should work through the Administration to change its OFFICIAL stance, if he is sincerely concerned.

It's like if your sister goes over to the house of a friend of your family and sits there bitching about what she thinks your family is doing wrong to the friend.

But I think you understand that. It's why you set up the straw man argument as though Jim wants to be told where to live.

Israel's political situation with the Palestinians and its neighbors is complicated. Otherwise one of the last 5 Presidents would have solved it. To ask whether we think we should be told where to live is completely irrelevant.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:22 am

“Two minutes later it was down to 759. Damn death squads.”

OK, that was the funniest thing I've read in a while. Good sleuthing, Jim!


paullouismosley
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:25 am

Well put StephenPerry…I'll be keeping my irrelevent little ideas to my self from now on…


voxmagi
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:27 am

Irrelevent. The numbers are almost meaningless, since those listening to him are generally already fans, representing the extreme end of the GOP/religious right spectrum. Their numbers may include a few 'non-believers', but no matter how popular he becomes among the GOP stalwarts there is only a very limited tolerance for spooky Jesus-fried whackjobbery among the vast hordes of centrists and independents.

Secondly, if you poll any group of men, ESPECIALLY in areas where the population is statistically white by a very large majority, you wind up with a skewed result that studies exactly the one group of people who are most dissatisfied with Obama. This allows a lot of room for spinning the results to reflect what the pollster wishes, rather than what will happen.

Finally, while I admit he has a certain charm (compared to the social retards that presently dominate the GOP), the final hang up is that the spotlight is barely touching him right now. Shine the light closely in his direction and pour media attention into his past statements and affiliations and moderates everywhere will drop him like a hot rock when they realize he's just Sarah Palin with 10 more IQ points, no boobs and shorter hair.

This reminds me of the Paul-tards that insisted that, since they personally adored him, everyone else should acknowledge his perfection…while out in the real world no one gave a rat crap about him. It must be a lot like being a die hard fan for a sport team that has never won a game.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:31 am

“spooky Jesus-fried whackjobbery”

Someone should put this on a t-shirt and walk through a mall in South Carolina with a cameraman in tow to record people's reactions.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:34 am

No one asked you to keep your ideas to yourself.

It's just that if you express those ideas, someone else may notice, and write something about them.

Did you not understand how these comment board thingies work?

I certainly wasn't trying to shut you up. I didn't even call any names, and I do so love to call names. Ah well, it looks like you're taking your ball and going home. One thing though. That's really not your ball. It was here when you showed up. So, could you… yeah thanks. See you around.


voter
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Honestly I can't undestand your somewhat rambling points — and I made an effort (i.e., the Couric story — a primary reading comprehension level should have made it evident I was demonstrating how likeable he is to many on the opposite side of the political spectrum — whether or not you agree with that concept — and certainly not the interpretation of some strength or status you drew.)

(By the way, thanks for the pointers on big business and posturing among underlings and equals. As a member partner of a top ten Manhattan law firm, I assure you that all my clients — big or small — get met by my secretary (never by me) — and brought up to me, to be thereafter treated with the same level of courtesy and respect.)

Frankly, the goal was not to win you over — but to respond to the somewhat foolish “little-noticed” radio report. I won't repeat my arguments. As an attorney by profession I am well-versed in setting out my points — whether agreed with or not. And I know when it is time to click off the lights because the points are being wasted on baren territory.

So be it — you in your world, me in mine.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 7:12 am

Somewhat rambling? Oh yeah ok. It's better than lying about yourself.

“member partner?” Um, what other kind of partner is there? All partners are members of a partnership. If it's a general partnership, one partner is a general and the rest are limited. But you're pulling things out of your ass too quickly to notice they stink.

I would believe that jimhenderson is an attorney before I'd believe that about you.

“baren territory?” Um, I would ask you to have your secretary check your posts for typos. But you don't have a secretary, or a law firm.

Tell me, have you ever even BEEN to Manhattan? I have trouble believing you could figure out how to get there from JFK if you were in a cab.


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Pug
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 11:51 am

For some reason Republicans suddenly have religion about deficit spending. It's like they've been asleep for 30 years and just woke up.


Pug
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 12:00 pm

I want to see improvements in health care, too. But I think a better way to honor Ted Kennedy would be to ensure that every American has access to the latest private health care, as good as what senators receive.

Okay, Huckabee. We're all waiting for your brilliant plan.

Loser.


JimPA
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 12:47 pm

Paul – Huckabee was invited to speak in hopes he would give a pro settlement statement. Huckabee had to realize this, had to know what the big picture is. I know very little about the history of the Middle East as it relates to Israel and Palestinian. Here is a link if you are interested: http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm Pack a lunch because it is very complex.

The disputed area is about 10,000 square miles. Even among the players there are many different views. Again, very complex issue. We are viewed as being too pro Israel which hurts us in this dialog. President Bush gave speeches that played well in Texas but didn't play well around the world. I like the fact that President Obama is taking a broader look at the problems we face. Admiral Mullen is weighing in on this.

“The top U.S. military officer has written a sharp critique of the Defense Department's efforts to communicate with people around the world. In an article for a military journal, Admiral Mike Mullen says the U.S. military too often launches its messages like rockets, rather than engaging with its audiences and demonstrating its intentions through actions, rather than words.”
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-08-28-voa57…

Huckabee should know better.


JimPA
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

Don't try to bluff the team leader. He'll take your chips.


JimPA
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:07 pm

Paul – President Obama isn't writing the bill. In fact the left is upset that he is still trying to work with the Republicans and that President Obama isn't taking a more forceful position what will be in the bill.

Do you agree health care needs reform?

Check out https://madashelldoctorstour.com/


JimPA
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

Stephen, TommyJames and strangely_enough – It's kind of like Amway. I need 3 more friends to join. You can be part of “The greatest Presidential team ever assembled in modern history is taking shape here at the Huckabee Fan Club. Locate 3 more friends today.”


JimPA
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:38 pm

Nice post.


cejaxon
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

I'm disappointed in Huckabee, because he can be intellectually honest, yet he was not in this case. No one promised to “cure” Kennedy's cancer. In fact, cancer treatment generally is not discussed in terms of “cures” but “remission,” & I don't think Kennedy was even promised much in the way of remission.

Our culture admires action & has a sometimes unhealthy fondness for surgery. Other nations, that have longer life expectancies & better amenable death rates are not as quick to put people under the knife. Anyone diagnosed with cancer should think carefully about what is being promised & whether the pain & risks of treatment are worth the proposed benefits.

That said, Medicare (aka government-run, single-payer healthcare — the sort they have in Canada) does pay for the kinds of treatments Kennedy got. It probably doesn't pay to fly you to Duke if you live in Massachusetts (& the Kennedys paid for that) because Duke was doing something experimental, but it does pay for aggressive treatments. In fact, right now, many people can get NIH-paid treatments if they are willing to participate in clinical trials. So why claim “Obamacare” would kill people simply for being old? It's dishonest & beneath Huckabee to pretend otherwise.

Why don't you listen to what Obama has said about his own mother's treatment to get an idea of what he thinks is important in healthcare — how he had to fight with her insurance company to get her treatment paid for — look, we already have death panels — they're called “utilization review boards,” they exist in private health insurance companies, & the Republicans (& far too many Democrats) are quite protective of them.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

Plus, a major point Huckabee conveniently ignored is that Kennedy was fabulously wealthy and thus did not have to consider any monetary aspect of his treatment options.

Most older people are not that lucky. Given a choice between bankrupting their entire extended family for treatments that are painful and won't cure them, or taking some pain medication and dying as gracefully as possible, many older people might well decide to take the medication over the “treatment.”

I'm not faulting anyone for trying to extend his or her life. But for Kennedy, there was no financial consideration. It's therefore an irrelevant comparison to most people deciding whether Obama's health care plan is a good idea.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

So, Jim, does this mean you're still no closer to accepting an invite to play poker at my house? We play for pennies. I provide the beer (Sam Adams or Sierra Nevada).

You pretend not to notice that my cat keeps licking the soles of your shoes. I pretend not to notice that you're carrying beer out to the car in your jacket when you claim to be going out for a smoke.

Win-win.

But really, can you believe these people? “member partner” needs to find a partner and stop touching his member himself. That guy couldn't be a partner in a Manhattan, Kansas law firm, let alone NYC.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

LOL What do you get if you're a super-recruiter and you actually sign up the 3 more friends?

At least if it was Tupperware I could find a use for the product. When I read “Amway” I just think of cosmetics that were tested on rabbits. That and a never-ending pyramid scheme. It's Quikstar, and a guy who worked in the 7/11 I used to buy lotto tickets in a few years ago would always try to get me to join.

The Official Huck Fan Club needs a high-profile sponsor. Like Chuck Norris for the birthers. Or Hulk Hogan for the tea-partying set who want to lower their taxes by paying less than they owe in hopes they never get caught.

So far, you're the high-profile sponsor, Jim!

“A minute later it was back down to 759. Damn death squads!” That one still cracks me up…


wayoutwest
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

Voter couldn't slip his BS by you Stephen. The real Law Man strikes again.
I agree that Huckabee is likable in a strange way. He may be more dangerous because he hasn't behaved like the usual nutter, until now.


San Diego County Citizen
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 12:05 am

Mr. Huckaby Speaks the truth regarding this issue. In our society, “bad taste” does not apply to issues of politics or politicians, even in death. Ted Kennedy was a man, not a saint or a monarch; regardless of what his followers would have you believe.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Yeah, Pete, I'm starting to see what the downside of Huckabee's folksy charm is.

I gave him an initial pass because he seemed harmless and funny, and he knew he wouldn't win. You could see he was a good fit for television or radio, not actually being in power.

It's like when you're having a house party and you let a guy you don't know in because he's funny and people seem to like him. He is a polite guest and asks you for a coaster to set his drink on the table so it doesn't stain. And then, hours later, as the crowd starts thinning, you finally see him over in the corner, going through people's coats.

I really don't approve of Huckabee's and other Republicans' attempt to be politically opportunistic* about health care. Let alone their attempts to misrepresent the reality of the situation they're being inappropriately opportunistic about.

*I would consider it less problematic, for example, if the Republicans actually had their own proposed legislation that was making its way through the House and Senate. Just saying “no” isn't good enough.


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:11 am

Sign up three or more and you get the veep slot. See McCain '09…


TJC4USA
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 4:54 am

There is no bad taste in Gov. Huckabee's comment, especially given that Sen. Pelosi and others very quickly tried to use Sen. Kennedy's death as some sort of catalyst to push their massive healthcare legislation forward — his “dream,” as they called it. Gov. Huckabee is being respectful toward the late senator's name while at the same time tactfully repudiating the bad taste of those Democrats like Sen. Pelosi who are trying to use Sen. Kennedy's death to their political advantage. I guess it's just another instance of their mantra: “Don't ever let a good crisis go to waste.” Two thumbs up to Gov. Huckabee for respectfully speaking up for the truth and common sense.


monkey99
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:20 am

stephenperry and JimPA,

Hey, guys! Mind if I pull up a chair? looks like you guys are having fun!


BEN1234
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 7:53 am

The comment of this person said to have run as a Presidential Candidate has high lighted his background and standard of upbringing. It would be very clear that he come of a very uncouth family background having no know how to move about in elite society circle or it could be that his home environment was not at all congenial to learn etiquette and mannerism least all what to speak at what time.
A very poor specimen of humankind. I have doubt if he knows the meaning of mannerism and etiquette. We all know money can buy every thing but Character qualities it is inborn. If one is born and brought up in garbage collecting environment, how can he be expected to know good mannerism and social etiquettes and customs. May be he has not learnt to apologies for his mistakes also.


JimPA
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

monkey99 – Sure, pull up a chair. I don't think voter is coming back. We'll deal you in. Jacks are better to open, deuces and one eyed Jacks are wild. Lots of wild cards, so it should be interesting. I wear sunglasses because Stephen can see your soul if you don't.


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