The Glenn Beck Effect

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Friday, August 28, 2009 at 11:17 am

One reason I pay a lot of attention to Glenn Beck is that, viewer for viewer and listener for listener, he has a more direct impact on the conservative movement and the GOP base than any other conservative personality. Here’s an example.

On Aug. 24, back from a vacation during which a Color for Change campaign cost Beck dozens of sponsors, Beck did a raw, investigative report about the Apollo Alliance, a heretofore uncontroversial green group which, in March, saw board member Van Jones become the White House’s “green czar.” Beck informed viewers that Jones was a reformed criminal and political radical, something Jones has really never tried to hide. Nonetheless, Beck saw a scandal.

The $787 billion stimulus package includes more than $100 billion for green initiatives. You just met our green jobs czar. Now, how much of a role did Van Jones or the Apollo Alliance and their left-leaning allies have in crafting the stimulus package?

Beck brought on Phil Kerpen of Americans for Prosperity to dig further into the issue.

I think there was a very telling quote from Harry Reid about the stimulus bill. I want to get this exactly right. He said, “The Apollo Alliance has been an important factor in helping us develop and execute a strategy that makes great progress on these goals and in moving the public to support them.”

And I think that second part is really critical, the way that brought together all of the major elements of the leftist coalition and they used it to bring public opinion to them. Now, historically, the unions have been very much against environmental regulation.

The insight here with Apollo and Van Jones and so on is that if you raid the U.S. Treasury and you take all these money and use it to subsidize these so-called green jobs and make them union jobs, give money to the social justice street organizers and so on, you can get every one of these leftist constituencies on the same side with taxpayers on the other side. And they can loot the U.S. treasury in order to support all of their friends.

Yesterday, 72 hours after Beck broadcast all of this, Rep. Steve Buyer (R-Ind.) held a town hall before a pretty sympathetic crowd. The first question in this video:

Who wrote all of these bills? And did the far-left Apollo Alliance have any role in writing any of them?

“I don’t know what that is,” says Buyer, standing in front of the confusing health care chart designed by Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas). “I don’t know what the Apollo Alliance is.”

There are rumblings from the crowd.

“Van Jones!”

“It’s Van Jones’ organization!”

“Ask the Green czar, Van Jones!”

That last comment gets a big wave of applause. Buyer, chagrined, says he learned something.

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strangely_enough
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Beck does have a now Limbaugh like position from which to launch the day's/week's nonsense talking point. And, judging from the town hollers, the echo is significant for it's sound and fury. Facts and reason, not so much…
Well, no one ever went broke underestimating the credulity of Americans, either.


Name
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

Thank goodness for Glen Beck. I think we should all boycott products from the companies who decided to boycott Glen Beck's show. He get's it right.


stl
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

Beck Lemmings


kayumochi
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Beck has fear on his side and fear usually wins.


lance
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

… so Beck is opposed to giving free money to evil greenies and union laborers, and wants to return to the days of giving free money to evil Haliburton mercenaries?

… time to move on. Nothing to see here. Maybe one of these days the U.S. government will be able to engage in honest dialog and action, but until then … go out and grab all the free money you can in a fit of unabashed welfare society patriotic duty.

Suckers!


NeldaDee
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

It's “Glenn.” The companies aren't boycotting him… they've pulled their advertising. “Gets” doesn't have an apostrophe.

More brilliance coming from the Beck lemmings?!?


B.J. Hamaker
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

Beck gets the everyman appeal Limbaugh misses. He's younger, less polemic, and his co-host adds a very “talking with the guys” appeal to the show that you don't get from the voiceless Mr. Snerdly or anyone else who's helped Limbaugh over the years. Limbaugh also is less approachable because of his exclusive presence and incredible wealth–none of which I begrudge him, but his niche is becoming ever more a niche.

As for Van Jones, yeah, I think it's crazy that socialists (Mr. Obama) and communists (Mr. Jones) are running the country. It just doesn't feel right. Imagine what expletives would have been heard in 1789, if someone suggested to the Founders that the government would eventaully buy any company, let alone one of the nation's largest. Much is said about separation of church and state, but the constitution is much more geared toward separation of private industry and state.


Name
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

Facts and reason? tell me, what facts do you have that disprove anything he reported on about the green czar?


Name
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

NeldaDee you show your true intolerance by pointing out petty grammar mistakes. This is not English class it is a simple blog posting. Get over yourself and your liberal lefties who think you are more smarter than everyone else… and yes, I know “more smarter” isn't correct, I just wanted to put that in to bother you.


NeldaDee
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

So, is bankrupcy protection socialism? Where does one draw the line in the proverbial gray sand?


Name
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Beck has FACTS on his side and FACTS usually wins.


Tony
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Beck may not be 100% right but he is more in tune with America then any of our politicians. There are so many lies and spins coming out of our government that no one believes them any longer.

In this age of instant reply I can not believe the arrogance of our government leaders. How can I tell my children to tell the truth when all they see by our government leaders are deceit, lies and refusal to take responsibility for their actions.


vmohan
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

You say:
“On April 24, back from a vacation during which a Color for Change campaign”

Did you mean to say Aug 24th?


Name
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

how about by not adding more socialism to all the crap we have now.


Civil Disagreement
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

Doesn't appear that Jones, Obama, or Apollo are trying to hide anything – I'm sure they are ready to take the flak. Dick Cheney avoided this kind of trouble by not revealing the names of people who helped write policy. I'd rather have it out in the open.
Beck is up in arms because he sees how quickly progressive changes are being implemented: even far-reaching changes have been on the fast track. Maybe too fast; maybe we need to see the details and have a chance to think it through.
Let's not get triggered by personality names (Cheney, Beck, Obama, etc.) but stay focused instead on the issues and our country's well-being. If you are calling names, you need to take a deep breath and count to ten so you can be part of the solution: a well thought out solution.


NeldaDee
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

The only thing that bothers me is the pure stupidity portrayed by Beck's lemmings. I'm just not putting up with or being cute about stupidity any more. Enough is enough… I'm proud to be an elitist, leftist intolerant “commie-pinko-bastard” with enough of a brain to see that most of the people following Beck and his vile lies of full of ignorant hatred are just plain STUPID.

“If you take what I say as gospel, you're an idiot.” – Glenn Beck


Tallyglenn
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

If is funny that no one refutes what Glenn Beck says, they just call him names for making a statement. If his statement are not true. 1. Say it is not true. 2. Back it up with the provable truth. Glenn backs all of his statements up with the source. You do the same and I will listen, don't just call me a lemming, dummy .


chris2270
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

Instead of attacking him, the moderate left should demand answers to Beck's questions. Instead of hating the man, discredit him by proving what he says is wrong. By the way Obama is a racist by his own admissions. See the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6zM5ldO35A


Name
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

no…. they cant :)


Captwasabi
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

Bankruptcy is in no way socialism. Bankruptcy is a court guided procedure that allows a business or an individual to divest themselves of their assets in order to pay of their debts while ensuring that the repayment of those debts are done in a fair and equitable manner. The only time the government becomes involved in “owning” anything is when taxes are due to the IRS so there is no “gray sand” here. While we have had government bailouts of certain key industry sectors in the past we have never seen anything like we see today in Congress. They are simply out of control. They now want to limit executive pay even for those companies that did not need any bail out money. Congress feels that executives are paid incredible amounts of money regardless of whether or not their efforts bear fruit. Well, the same could be said of our elected leaders. Maybe we should start limiting the pay of the President and those legislators who voted for the stimulus bill without reading it? Isn't that taking a chance and utterly failing?


cpun
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

you are an idiot. Governments all over the world are like that. You don't have to point to the govt to teach your kid the right thing.


nancy
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

Beck has many problems of his own making and what about his dark side?He is going where the money is as Rush L. and many others have.They want to destroy, not bring people together. The Republicans have brought America into the most dangerous place ever, and yet they keep trying to blame the Democrats. The truth is not to be found as it has been buried beneath too many blankets of lies. Such people seem not to know the difference between truth and lies. He is just another borderline moron trying to babble his way to fame. What are these big mouth guys done to HELP America and our people?


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Van Jones was associated with Color of Change. Color of Change led the boycott against Beck's show. Beck attacks Van Jones.

Those are what we call facts…


bubbaright
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Have you ever listened to Rachel Maddow on MSNBC? Other than on the opposite end of the political scale, try and tell me she is any different from Glenn Beck.


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

“Imagine what expletives would have been heard in 1789…”

Something like, “They freed the WHAT?” and “They gave those WOMEN the vote?”

They might also have a few words about how the notion of corporate charters seems to have drifted to the point of person hood as well.


shockashark
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

What ever your thoughts (good,bad) are on Gleen Beck the one think he does get you to do is think about what is going on around you. He is also entertainment and making money with FOX, but with that said about what has he done for the country look in the mirror and ask yourself what have you done. ;)


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Yeah, they say things like:

“If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today—and we do—does it make any sense for the world to wait to confront him as he grows even stronger and develops even more dangerous weapons?”

“[Saddam Hussein] is actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time.”

“[W]hen the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied — finally denied access, a report came out of the Atomic — the IAEA that they were six months away from developing a weapon. I don't know what more evidence we need.”

Shocking, ain't it?


pedantic_smackdown
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

More like more condescending pedantic BS on a forum thread from a Demogogic liberal! NeldaDee, shut the f u c k u p!


zenphoenix42
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

The difference between the far-right and far-left is that the left, like Maddow, have dangerous ideas like spending our money on feeding, clothing, sheltering, and educating our people…while the right, like Beck, have brilliant ideas like spending all of our funds making war on people who never attacked us, in the name of economic expansion. Real humanitarians.


Roar
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

I'm not entirely sure she compared the president's policies to those of the Nazis on a nearly daily basis. Nor am I entirely sure if she purported the existence (or, rather, denied the non-existence) of “death camps” that the government was building to house opponents of the Bush administration. In fact, I am not convinced she called President Bush a racist.

But hey, man, you're right, two sides of the same coin.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

Just as instead of attacking anyone who questioned Bush, you right-wing Sheep should have cared what that was criminal was up to in your names.

There's no problem with being fearful of your government…but stop being so easily-led and one-sided about it. You think Glen's questions require answers? I thought we should have had a reason from Bush & crew to start wars with no plan for ending them.

I hope Obama spends so much on improving this country that the next administration (almost certainly Republican because of Beck and Faux “news”) won't be able to start any more militant imperial conflicts based on economics rather than justice.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Preach it, CD!

There's no problem with wanting things investigated. The problem is letting Cheney not even reveal the war profiteers he took advice from, and then turning around and hating and fearing Obama after he actually gave us names!

We should've had this level of public interest and demand for truth when Bush was trying to convince the Sheep to bomb Iraq, but they were all soundly asleep, lulled into an accepting, blindly-patriotic trance by Faux “news” cooing softly into their ears that everything is okay, and anybody who asks questions hates America.

Why do all these right-wingers hate America?


tommyJames
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

Indeed, Mr. Beck makes you think if you're horribly uninformed and rather dumb. You said it yourself, he's in entertainment – this whole hubaloo is exactly what he aims to do. What's scary is there are those who follow these entertainment pundits as if they are a news source.

They are not.

These “news” outlets who so obviously align themselves with one way of thinking do nothing to further any debate. What good is it when people merely look for “news” which they agree with? That's lazy.


tommyJames
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

By the way…here's a telling quote “And they can loot the U.S. treasury in order to support all of their friends.”

Kinda like Bush started the bailout of Wall Street and Obama continued it?

That's my point, shockashark, the pundits want to draw these clean lines between us, when, in fact, both parties are supported by corporate America and the wealthy elite.

I'm impressed with the way the right and their pundits have fired up their supporters over the health care situation, however, if they had these people's best interests in mind, wouldn't they have had them throwing a fit over the Wall Street bailout? Have you heard the calcs? These calcs, by the way, are not left or right, they are about taxpaying Americans…$12K, the average American taxpayer is on the hook for $12K for the bailout. Ok, that's not “what might happen” as in the health care debate…this already happened. Why aren't the lot of us fired up and protesting about this?


Civil Disagreement
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

Hey Z, you didn't get it, man!

Stop with the “right-winger” babble and deal with the issues! Name calling (Sheep, Faux) is not helpful. Saying that those on the “right” hate America doesn't even make sense, but it does try to pick a fight.

Take a deep breath and listen to what Beck is worried about. Do we want massive funding from the Treasury being used to fund special interest groups? When policy changes are so huge and take us in a new direction, should we insist that our representatives read, understand, and discuss the changes before they vote?

Neither party is totally right nor totally wrong. They work for us, so let's make sure we provide some oversight and correction when needed.


1bigmack
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Steep in you boot licking marxist ideal. You are nothing, your ideology is a failed
historical byline.( just look at the ex-USSR ). Join the ranks of the current/next failures, like Chavez, Castro, etc..
Stupidity is what stare back at you in the mirror.
You and your progressive agenda still have the next election to face, I'm looking forward to it.


Carolyn
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

How do yu explain ABC, NBC, and CBS? They all are so far up Obamas “coattails” that they wont question a single thing he does. Its ridiculous.


Carolyn
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

If there weren't people like Glenn Beck and Bill Oreilly, how would we know what the politicians were doing? I am grateful for the information. I am grateful that they ask questions that need to be asked. I don't have the ability to ask some of the questions but i can appreciate it when things are brought up. Why would so many czars be criminals or tax cheats? Arent there any other choices out there? Isn't Chavez the one who made a mockery of Obama? The new green czar seems to idolize him. Cmon!


Nick
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

A news organization is supposed to report, not question. If something terrible happens, they'll report on it. If something good happens, they'll report on it. The merits or lack thereof are left up to you.


Carolyn
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

I am an unemployed teacher and I disagree with you. Thanks to Obamanomics I have a masters degree and I can't get a job! Was 9-11 a dream? Did it not happen? Do you not think that Iraq was a cess pool of AlQuaida training camps? Do you think that it is ok to mass murder people of your country? Iraq and Afghanistan are both places that I think we need to get out of now but I understood why we went. Do you sleep well at night knowing the marines and sailors are giving their lives to ensure your freedom?


tommyJames
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

Carolyn – I'm surely not trumpeting any news source as completely unbiased. It appears quite clear tho, that Fox and MSNBC have made it abundantly clear which side of politics they are on. I don't have a problem with folks watching these networks either – rather, I hope people understand they are getting a very specific viewpoint. My concern is for those who want to hear what they think – that does no one any good.

I even read the American Spectator at times – and they're creepily to the right – but ya gotta hunt for your news nowadays.


tommyJames
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

Carolyn, O'Reilly handled the Bush administration with kid gloves.

Take the outing of the CIA agent – we'll probably never know what truly happened, but there were many things pointing to the administration. Try having that same situation with this administration, O'Reilly and the conservative pundits would be calling for impeachment.

And I agree – it's the same with MSNBC, Maddow and other pundits like that – they were rabid dogs with Bush, they handle Obama with kid gloves.

That's merely my point – it scares me to think people watch Glen Beck and think of him as a news source. It also scares me to think someone would watch Rachel Maddow and think they're getting news.

No one wants to think for themselves nowadays, it's too easy to choose a side and let the big mouths lead us around. That frustrates me.


tommyJames
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

Carolyn Carolyn Carolyn – I find it hard to believe that you could have found work up until mid-January of this year, and every since the power exchange, you now can't.

As far as the wars are concerned, there are many of us who were whole heartedly behind the invasion of Afghanistan. There were also many of us who heard Bush deliver his now infamous “Axis of Evil” speech. There were many of us, upon hearing that we would be invading Iraq thought “hmmmm, he mentioned 3, one of which already has WMDs (N Korea), another which is not hiding the fact that they are actively pursuing them (Iran), and Iraq” which, the inspectors said didn't have WMDs. And, surprise surprise, we didn't find any.

That others just choose to dismiss this, well, that's rather absurd.


tommyJames
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

Alright CD – let's think it through logically.

You ask a question I'd like you to answer…Do we want massive funding from the Treasury being used to fund special interest groups?

I think it's brilliant you want to think like this, but you're about a year too late – Bush started and Obama finished the funding of some woefully mismanaged Wall Street firms and you and I were handed the bill. Where's the outcry, from everyone, on that?


tommyJames
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

I'm with NeldaDee tho I'm certainly no Communist.

I listen to Beck, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and I think “that's the dumbest thing I've heard, no one believes that”. And here come the idiot masses marching along behind them.

I am smart and you are not. That's not my problem, that is yours…until you elect another complete moron like Palin, which I'm sure you will…morons.


tommyJames
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

Speaking of kids gloves – let's have 'em off.

The righties wonder why they receive such disdain from the left. Here's why. You can't have a discussion about any political topic unless the buzz words from your pundits find their way in. We, in turn, believe you can't think for yourselves.

Case in point. Health care. Can any of you righties effectively debate the merits of our current system of health care versus any of the proposed changes without using the buzz words “socialism”, “death panels” or the like?

I'm not for government run health care, by the way, but can you tell me any limitations our current system has? Or is our system perfect? I don't think our system is perfect, and I surely do not think a nationalized health care system would be a good idea, but I'll d*mned if I can find a righty who can have a rational discussion without hearing the words of Limbaugh, or Beck, or O'Reilly.

That's where the disdain comes from. Yes, I'm liberal as 'ell, but I don't regurgitate, verbatim, that which the pundits of the left spew out.


Pug
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Carolyn,

If you watch Fox News you don't know what the politicians are doing. Fox News viewers believe more things that aren't true than anybody. They believe Saddam was involved in 9/11, they believe we found WMD in Iraq, they believe Obama was born in Kenya, they believe Obama is a Muslim, they believe the health care reform bill has a provision that creates death panels and lots of other things that just aren't true..


Pug
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:04 am

Obama has been president for about seven months now. The economy slowed in the summer of 2008 and collapsed in September 2008, You can thank George W. Bush for not being able to get a job.

Iraq was not a cesspool of Al-Qaeda training camps. You believe that because you watch too much Fox News.


Pug
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:05 am

You mean his assertion that the government is setting up concentration camps? Some things are so stupid you don't need to ask about them.


Pug
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:11 am

You guys don't do well in elections lately if you haven't noticed. You are down to 40 Senators and 40% of the House. Ever wonder why? Because you are losers. Get used to it.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:24 am

Comrade Beck and The Party has declared them to be FACTS. No wonder they're good enough for you, Comrade Lemming!


greenleegazette
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:34 am

Other than the fact that Rachel is known for her smarts, education and research abilities? That, and that she uses snarky humor instead of fear to get her points across.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:34 am

I watch Beck everynight, twice.
He is very informative. The MSM wont tell you about the secret pact LBJ made with the space aliens at Area 51 in 1965. But my man Beck was all over it.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:39 am

Liberal health care is fine if you dont mind going before a Nazi Death Panel run by the Black Panthers and ACORN!

I suppose you wont mind being forced by communist doctors to have abortions!!!!

Wake up dumbocrats!

soylent green is grandma!!!


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 4:07 am

Sorry you can't find a job. There is a lot of that now, and it's been going on a little longer than “Obamanomics,” but I digress.
It's late, but I love a quiz, so here goes.
No.
Yes, it happened.
No, it wasn't, and that was evident in 2002.
No, just as it's not ok to mass murder people in a country that was no threat to us (see above).
[this one isn't a question, but...] Are you conflating Iraq with 9/11, because those are two completely unrelated things.
And, no, because they are not giving their lives to defend our freedom. They're there because someone wanted them there in the case of Iraq, or kept them there in the case of Afghanistan, for completely domestic, political reasons. No one should sleep well knowing that.


bobbill
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 4:45 am

I have watched all of Glenn Becks shows on FOX and it just amazes me what this Obama administration is doing. It looks like they are intentionally trying to make us into a Communist nation. Glenn Beck is my hero. How can the Congress and Senate not see what is on the horizon. Van Jones is a communist by his own words, you would think Congress and Senate should know ,if Glenn Beck is able to get this information why not the FBI. Something is very fishy with every thing that has transpired in Obama's presidency.


greentrain
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 8:00 am

Dang. Such a perfect case-in-point.


2xy4k9
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

Thank God for Glenn Beck. Liberals attack him, but as he points out, NOT ON THE FACTS. I'm sure it is the left's hope that bammie, etal, can steal this nation without the hard-working good people of the country knowing it is happening. Thanks to Beck for doing the digging for us. Now Americans are finding out what sort of people are being foisted on us by this radical, racist, America-hating president.


2xy4k9
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:13 pm

Liberals like to denigrate Fox News, but here is crux.

Fox runs ads for all political sides.

Liberals politicians and think tanks advertise their messages on Fox.

ABC, on the other hand, REFUSES to run any ads against Obama health care. ABC let Obama have a full evening to promote his health care, but it would not allow any dissenting view to be aired on its station then or now.

ABC has fully censored any view opposing anything Obama.

Tell me, liberals, who is for free speech again!


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purplemountain
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Sorry Tommy,

Conservative thought, conservative thinkers and consertive point of view and argument have been around longer than Fox News — not that you'd know that from 95% plus of today's tenured professors…

and BTW, the reason you bemoan the “pundits” underscores how the MSM has blathered on for so long about progressive this and that that it passes for everyday chit-chat — and no we're all racists, UN-American, holocaust deniers, fear mongerers, etc…

and lastly, don't go too full bore on the Shock Doctrine… you and I and every other middle class person is going to take the fall to scrub out the wealthy elite when social justice has its way…


Carolyn
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

Do you know what the current interest is for the debt we owe to China? Are you aware of how much each tax payer will be responsible for paying? Do you know how much money is involved in the health care bill and have you read what it entails? Do you think your congressman has read the bill? Do you know how much of our childrens paychecks will go directly to taxes? Your paycheck? Will you listen when it affects you in a personal way?


Carolyn
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

Stop drinking the Kool-aid you morons!
Start asking for the truth from all of our elected liars.
Believe what you want, Communism and retribution is on the horizon… laugh you liberal suckers….you were idealistic enough to believe the Hype and believe the “Change” was for the good!


belindaking
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

Glenn Beck had over 3 million viewers just on 8-26-09. Please understand that We, the people, are watching everything that is going on in Washington DC thanks too Glenn Beck. We, the people, are not happy with the way Obama is handling the office he was appointed too. We want Obama to be aware We know what is happening, We are watching everything he is doing, We have our eyes on Washington DC. We appreciate what Glenn Beck is doing for us and our Country. We trust Glenn Beck to tell the truth. We DO NOT trust Obama or his Chicago mobster style buddies (CZARS). They cannot SILENCE us or INTIMIDATE us. Please be aware that Glenn Beck is trusted and respected and if you mess with Glenn Beck you are messing with us, the people.


belindaking
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 12:20 am

Glenn Beck had over 3 million viewers just on 8-26-09. Please understand that We, the people, are watching everything that is going on in Washington DC thanks too Glenn Beck. We, the people, are not happy with the way Obama is handling the office he was appointed too. We want Obama to be aware We know what is happening, We are watching everything he is doing, We have our eyes on Washington DC. We appreciate what Glenn Beck is doing for us and our Country. We trust Glenn Beck to tell the truth. We DO NOT trust Obama or his Chicago mobster style buddies (CZARS). They cannot SILENCE us or INTIMIDATE us. Please be aware that Glenn Beck is trusted and respected and if you mess with Glenn Beck you are messing with us, the people.


David
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 5:40 am

China holds about $740 billion in US Treasury securities, which is approximately $5,000 per American worker. The US public debt is currently $6.8 trillion, which is about half of GDP. It is expected to rise to about 80% of GDP over the next decade, the same level it reached in 1950. We have experienced high levels of public debt before, and our economy has prospered. Why shouldn't it continue to prosper?


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

Beck tells the truth the MSM wont touch!

Who else would warn you about a secret army of Nazi commies called AMERICORPS that Obama gave $500,000,000 to?

Did you know that part of the headquarters of the Weather Service is underground? Dont you get it. the WEATHER UNDERGROUND has seized control of the Agriculture dept!!

Did you know Obama has appointed people to jobs and positions in the Executive Branch of the U.S. government? Who does he think he is?


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

Yeah CZARS are in our govement!

Did you know CZARS is a russian word? and russians are commies!

Need I say more?

You dont need to go to skool to connect the dots here Demolibs!


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

Yeah and CZARS is a russian word and russians are commies.

You stoopid libs dont have to go to skool to connect the dots!


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

What about Van Jones?

He is a CZAR from communist russia and Obama put him in charge of the ENTIRE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

GOD YOU DEMOCRATS ARE DUMB!


Carolyn
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 12:24 am

Ok my point is the more bailing out we do, in the trillions, the more each tax payer will owe. Its ridiculous the things that are being passed in the name of the economy. Have you seen some of the ways this money is being spent? Do you have to be a liberal organization to get money? What about schools? Is that important to the stimulus? Do you have any idea how much money teachers spend on classroom supplies every year? Let me tell you its a lot. Why because there is no money in the budget. As a teacher, let me say I think it sucks.


Carolyn
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Do you remember when Bush used to have news conferences and he answered questions from reporters no matter how tough the questions were. He may not have been happy about it but he let them all in. Now its like a select few are invited to these news conferences and it seems to me the president likes to hear his own voice and he likes to campaign. It has been 8 months since the election and he is still campaigning. How about just doing your job, Obama?


Carolyn
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 12:32 am

I wasnt certified until july of 2008 so i had to do my time as a sub for a while. I was well liked and under normal conditions I would have been offered a job this summer. Unfortunately, 120 teachers were laid off in my county. I cant get a job until all of them are rehired. The cut backs were done in Obamas reign.


Carolyn
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 12:36 am

Chris they cant prove him wrong. Obama cant prove him wrong and so he complains about the “cable news network”. I guess that will be the diversity czar's new job. Shut down the fox news network. We cant have people disagreeing with presidential policies.


Patrick
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

It is just too bad that Bush's answers were lies!


Patrick
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Carolyn,

I am sorry you are unemployed. Teacher jobs are controlled by states, not national government. What state do you live in? You need to direct your unhappiness with your governor, not your president! The fact is, while Bush was in office, states lost more revenue and thus had to make cut backs all around. I wish teachers got paid better and had smaller classes>>teachers are heroes in my eyes! Obama had nothing to do with your not getting a job. Unfortunately, Obama inherited an economy in such a downhill slide and has not even had the proper time to make it better. But, the likes of you and those who are demonizing him should redirect your anger towards the previous administration for cutting off state funding, mainly due to an illegal war that was not included in our national budget. If the monies spent on the Iraq war had been included in the budget, you and your anti-Obama folks would probably see things a bit differently. It takes longer than 7 months to clean up 8 years of bad policy!


JoeSierra
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 6:38 am

Beck has come a long way for a recovering drug and alcohol addict Mormon convert, and he has honed all the deceptive, illusory and misleading skills necessary for survival!


JoeSierra
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 6:42 am

Recent psychological analysis of Faux News viewers and Right Wing Radio listeners have unequivocally established three distinct characteristics that explain their behavior:

MOTIVATED REASONING, this allows them to ignore contrary information and develop elaborate rationalizations based on faulty information.

INFERRED JUSTIFICATION, allows them to support something they believe in strongly by working backward to find and justify information supporting it.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, when they are presented with information that contradicts preexisting beliefs, they try to relieve the cognitive tension by responding to the information defensively, ignore the facts, or when all else fails, they discredit the sources.

With these three tools an intelligent, moral person, who for example is anti abortion, can support a policy of torture and be convinced that President Obama is a Muslim Socialist extremist born in Kenya.


JoeSierra
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 6:48 am

Recent psychological analysis of Faux News viewers and Right Wing Radio listeners have unequivocally established three distinct characteristics that explain their behavior:

MOTIVATED REASONING, this allows them to ignore contrary information and develop elaborate rationalizations based on faulty information.

INFERRED JUSTIFICATION, allows them to support something they believe in strongly by working backward to find and justify information supporting it.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, when they are presented with information that contradicts preexisting beliefs, they try to relieve the cognitive tension by responding to the information defensively, ignore the facts, or when all else fails, they discredit the sources.

With these three tools an intelligent, moral person, who for example is anti abortion, can support a policy of torture and be convinced that President Obama is a Muslim Socialist extremist born in Kenya.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

I actually DID get it, CD…I was just trying to point out that people should have been this concerned when Bush was pushing 1000 page bills through without giving time for them to be read, and when he was fast-tracking tax cuts to the rich (which lead DIRECTLY to our current problems).

My “Why do right-wingers hate America?” was a parody of what anyone who asked questions the last 8 years was told. I’m all for questions and legitimate answers…I just hope it continues the next time we have a Republican leader, and Faux is telling everyone what a great person they are even while they’re selling out the majority of the people.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Obama has been president only half a year, people! He has little, if anything, to do with you not being able to get a job.

9/11 DID happen. And you know what? It wasn't Obama that let bin Laden GET AWAY…it was Bush. It wasn't Obama that attacked a nation that had NOTHING TO DO with it to expand the economic empire, hand out no-bid contracts to his cohorts, and distract you people while his buddy bin Laden slipped away.

Do YOU think it's okay to allow mass murder of your citizens? Why should we let bin Laden and Bush get away with it?

Do you sleep well at night knowing the marines and sailors are giving their lives to ensure your ignorance allows corporate criminals to get away with their crimes?


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Are you serious? Have you forgotten that most of Bush's “press conferences” were hand-selected journalists with pre-approved questions? Have you forgotten the GOP ADMITTED planting “press” operatives to ask certain questions? Have you forgotten the gay escort who posed as a reporter to help Bush foist a lie on the public, and then got called out by the Daily Show and others?

When Obama is actually CAUGHT planting questioners, then you could make a fair comparison of the two.

And while we're AT it, I don't recall Bush doing SHIT until he came off of vacation just in time for 9/11 photo ops reading books to children. How DARE you recall Bush favorably (when he was on vacation most of his first 9 months) and dis Obama for not doing his job well enough in the same period. At least he's on the job, and not clearing brush at his ranch!


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

Why were so many of Bush's appointees war-profiteering corporate criminals? If it weren't for people like Beck and O'Reilly, you would not only know that, but care.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

You're right about that. Media sources lining up to support a politician is a horrible thing. I wish we had a fair and balanced journalistic media.

But after watching Fox become an extension of the GOP, I was glad to see MSNBC start doing the same for the DNC. If we can't have “no-spin” journalism, at least we should have both sides of our narrow political spectrum.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Yeah, isn't it weird that 95% of tenured professors are “liberal”.

Faux and the other right-wing pundits would have you believe that this is because of some left-wing “conspiracy” to defraud the public by only tenuring liberals…as if there were equal amounts of professors on the “conservative” side.

The real reason is much simpler: the minds that make it to that level of education are too developed to be anything other than “liberal”. College professors are far too intelligent and used to researching things that people say to fall for the crap spewed by self-titled “conservatives”.


belindaking
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:11 am

I hope you’re prepared to eat your words once you awake from your coma but I
am afraid it will be too late by then.


Patrick
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:43 am

Carolyn,

You have not answered my question about who you voted for in 2000 & 2004! How come all of you “Independents” won't answer that. As I see it, “Independents” are mostly the GOP in disguise. Get real folks.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 5:23 am

Patrick, This person called Carolyn claims to be an unemployed teacher with a Masters Degree.
What are they teaching these days at our universities? Apparently not critical thinking skills.
Beware of moles.
Don't be so hard on us Indies I had to hold my nose and vote for Dems, Repubs just stank the place up. After the 68 Democratic Convention many on the Left left the party. I voted for Nader in 2000.
President Obama's arrival was a breath of fresh air.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 7:37 am

I guess we think more clearly in a coma than you can in a waking state. That says a lot about your mental capacity.
Three million out of three hundred million people is not, The People, just some fringe nutters.


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zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Actually, Pug, we DID find WMDs in Iraq. I saw someone on CNN walking into an underground cache of barrels filled with Sarin and Mustard gases. He was super-excited, having exclusively exposed it on CNN first. He said they'd have more information once the military had a chance to run the serial numbers and find out more about the gas…

…and that's the last time it was mentioned on tv. Why? Because when you find gas buried in the Iraqi desert for most of 20 years and run the serial numbers, you find some unfortunate facts that didn't exactly support our being there. Where, oh where, could Saddam have gotten gas to use on the Kurds in the early '80s? Oh, that's right! Rumsfeld and Bush Sr. sold it to him under Reagan.

But we DID find it. He DID have it. Tom Ridge and all the other neo-cons are NOT lying about those particular points…they're just leaving out the far-more-pertinent facts.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

I'd rather have that than no healthcare and some douchebag Republican president starting wars with no intention of ending them to oil the War Machine with more blood. Woohoo! Defense stocks soar! Yea, we're number one!

And WTF, by the way? 9/11 conspiracy theorists are dismissed outright by the masses because G.W., as the elected president, couldn't possibly have put American lives in danger intentionally…and now the same masses are convinced Obama is able to simultaneously be the elected president and be setting up Death Panels to kill Americans.

Right-wing conspiracy theorists are so batshit insane that they make the left-wing look less kooky!


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

I agree completely, Carolyn, that it sucks that our educational system is under-funded. That is intentional, though. G.W.'s “no child left behind”, according to every teacher I know that actually has a job, is rigged to collapse more and more public schools as they become unable to keep up with the continually-rising requirements. The “solution” the Republican-sponsored bill offers? Cut funding to entire schools if they can't get their mentally handicapped students to achieve the required results.

Why? Because Republicans want privatized everything. They don't want to fund inner-city schools where their kids aren't going! They want, and have set in place the apparatus to achieve, the collapse of the public school system so that they can then offer the glorious solution of privatizing it entirely.

Republicans don't offer more money for schools, Carolyn. They'd rather spend that money bombing someone who's in the way of them accessing more resources to sell. It's liberals who like to “throw money” (read: waste) at our horrible school system, rather than set up a system to “hold accountable” (read: scapegoat) those educators that fail to meet our expectations.

As a would-be educator, you surely must realize that Republicans have blocked additional funding for schools time and time again as “wasteful” and “throwing money at the problem”…while their “solution” only ensures the future collapse of the whole system. Much like they've been trying to do with Social Security, claiming how “bankrupt” it is and whatnot. Gov't programs are only “bankrupt” when the politicians don't want to support them. Was the Iraq war “bankrupt” because it didn't pump out enough oil to pay for itself? Nope. They gladly found money elsewhere, just as they could for education and Social Security…if that was really their priority, but it's just not.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Yeah, but thank God we got rid of the Republicans!

If we're forced to pick from the lesser of 2 evils, at least we got it right this once.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Do you even realize how insane you sound when you state the President of America hates America?

You America-hating right-wingers should all move to Iraq, now that you've made the place so great.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

Yeah? And Fox, after demanding answers from Obama on his health care reform for weeks, didn't bother airing his town hall response to critics like them. It wasn't important enough of an issue, apparently. But their own staged town hall the day after, now that was newsworthy!

And who IS for free speech? The “conservative” sheep yelling and screaming at democratic town halls, so that no conversation can even occur?

Read news from other nations, 'cause this one doesn't have any journalistic media anymore.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Stop drinking O'Reilly's Kool-Aid, Carolyn: It's been proven toxic.

The “Change” WAS for the good! Were McCain president, we'd be at war with Iran already, even though he wouldn't have even done what Obama's done for the Afghanistan front. Instead, we're discussing spending that wealth on improving health care in our own country, which would ACTUALLY save many lives, instead of destroying countless lives with no end in sight. Do you think Cheney was RIGHT to want to start more wars without coming up with any plan to handle the ones he'd already started? Cause I think that's fucking insane, and if you want wars so badly, you should be overseas and not safe and sound in Florida, mouthing off against a president that wants to improve his country instead of destroy others. What happened to all the right-wing hype that if we didn't win over there we'd be fighting them here? If these wars are so all-encompassingly important for the very survival of our nation, what are all you loud-mouthed Faux News Kool-Aid drinkers still doing here? Pack your shit and get out, morons!

I, for one, hope Obama crams this legislation through and leaves us too broke for the next president to start any more BS imperial wars of economic opportunity.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

Ooh, a half a percent of the nation is now “The People”! Strong talk.

Did you know that G.W. had CZARS? Yeah, he appointed a WAR CZAR, and idiots like you didn't open your mouths to complain, because Glenn “Trust Me” Beck didn't tell you to.

It's not that he's wrong about the Obama administration. It's just that propagandists like him are trying to make you see Obama as WORSE than Bush, when in reality, he's much better.

It's not that some of his advisors AREN'T admitted communists. It's just that Bush's advisors were admitted New World Order elitists who believe in lying to you to forward their militant imperial agenda by telling you they're just trying to do God's work. These insidious propaganda agents have tricked you into inferring that by “conservative” they mean Christian, when they actually mean that they intend to conserve the status quo: the rich get rich, everybody else fucks off.

You're right to fear and distrust government. You're just naive to blindly trust one side of the lie while attacking the other. A good shepherd has a sheep dog on both sides of the flock.

Were you paying this much attention when Bush was in office, you'd have been horrified.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Yeah, it's horrible that you idiots let George Bush start appointing CZARS.

Morons.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Ooh, a half a percent of the nation is now “The People”! Strong talk.

Did you know that G.W. had CZARS? Yeah, he appointed a WAR CZAR, and idiots like you didn't open your mouths to complain, because Glenn “Trust Me” Beck didn't tell you to.

It's not that he's wrong about the Obama administration. It's just that propagandists like him are trying to make you see Obama as WORSE than Bush, when in reality, he's much better.

It's not that some of his advisors AREN'T admitted communists. It's just that Bush's advisors were admitted New World Order elitists who believe in lying to you to forward their militant imperial agenda by telling you they're just trying to do God's work. These insidious propaganda agents have tricked you into inferring that by “conservative” they mean Christian, when they actually mean that they intend to conserve the status quo: the rich get rich, everybody else fucks off.

You're right to fear and distrust government. You're just naive to blindly trust one side of the lie while attacking the other. A good shepherd has a sheep dog on both sides of the flock.

Were you paying this much attention when Bush was in office, you'd have been horrified.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Indeed. Who else would inform his viewers that Americorps is a secret army of Nazi commies?

I can't think of anyone else who would state such a thing as fact.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Yeah, but thank God we're not as dumb as you republicans…letting George Bush appoint a War CZAR, and assuming that only your side of the aisle would be bold enough to do such anti-American things. You don't want Czars? Maybe you should've stopped YOUR elected leader from opening the floodgates.

GOD YOU SHEEPS ARE DUMB!


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

I'm with you, wayoutwest,

I would've voted Perot if I'd been old enough to vote, voted Nader in '00 and '04, and voted Green in '08.

I live in Chicago, so I knew Obama didn't need my help here, so I gladly “threw my vote away” yet again, trying to get enough support to challenge this 2-faction, 1-party system.

But Obama seems to have been serious about wanting to make the gov't work for the people and not the elites, so I'm cheering him on against the tide of easily-led folks sabotaging their own best interests.

I mean, seriously: McCain offered another war (Iran) with no plan for completing the ones we're already in, while Obama offered health care for all Americans. Why are we even arguing?


joe
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:58 am

I’ve read thru most of these comments. No one has yet to dispute the facts that Glenn has pointed out the past 2 weeks. That is VERY telling. Lots of name calling. Sheep this, commie that. But, Beck fans rejoice! The facts stand strong! Video of people close to potus show who they are. And no one can dispute it! Call me names, but face it, the facts are the side of Beck and his fans.


joe
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:58 am

I’ve read thru most of these comments. No one has yet to dispute the facts that Glenn has pointed out the past 2 weeks. That is VERY telling. Lots of name calling. Sheep this, commie that. But, Beck fans rejoice! The facts stand strong! Video of people close to potus show who they are. And no one can dispute it! Call me names, but face it, the facts are the side of Beck and his fans.


joe
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:19 am

I get it, you don’t like war, yada yada. Bush was never out to “fundamentally transform the USA” like BO declared 5 days before the election. He told us to look who he surrounds himself with. We did. They are self-avowed communists. Radicals. Revolutionaries. They hate the US Constitution. They will not have a public discussion of where they want to take the country. Their work must be done in the cover of darkness, with speed, and with all urgency, to keep people from shutting them down. Most Americans do not want to change us from the Republic we now have. A few do. Rather than move to a nation that already exists, they insist on trying to transform this one. LEAVE IT ALONE! Go Away! I am encouraged that Americans are waking up. We have been free from day one. Truly free. That will never be taken away. It could literally come to another civil war as the tensions mount on both sides. I feel confident that the US military will go with the side of the US Citizen and the US Consitution. More soldiers are questioning their solemn oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic” and whether domestic was THIS intentionally included. This combined with the 2nd amendment, and look out folks! We’ve got to stop all this jibber jabber and egging each other on. We need to get past the Bush years and look at what is in front of us RIGHT NOW! WE THE PEOPLE must be honest with ourselves and band together to save this great Republic before the whole situation escalates into terrible terrible actions by the fringe on each side of this.


joe
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:19 am

I get it, you don’t like war, yada yada. Bush was never out to “fundamentally transform the USA” like BO declared 5 days before the election. He told us to look who he surrounds himself with. We did. They are self-avowed communists. Radicals. Revolutionaries. They hate the US Constitution. They will not have a public discussion of where they want to take the country. Their work must be done in the cover of darkness, with speed, and with all urgency, to keep people from shutting them down. Most Americans do not want to change us from the Republic we now have. A few do. Rather than move to a nation that already exists, they insist on trying to transform this one. LEAVE IT ALONE! Go Away! I am encouraged that Americans are waking up. We have been free from day one. Truly free. That will never be taken away. It could literally come to another civil war as the tensions mount on both sides. I feel confident that the US military will go with the side of the US Citizen and the US Consitution. More soldiers are questioning their solemn oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic” and whether domestic was THIS intentionally included. This combined with the 2nd amendment, and look out folks! We’ve got to stop all this jibber jabber and egging each other on. We need to get past the Bush years and look at what is in front of us RIGHT NOW! WE THE PEOPLE must be honest with ourselves and band together to save this great Republic before the whole situation escalates into terrible terrible actions by the fringe on each side of this.


joe
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:22 am

Yeah, that’s what you call facts when you cannot counter the plethora of video and audio of Van Jones in 2003, 2006, 2008, and March 2009, which if the MSM carried, would end this thing. But they won’t. They, like you, are cowards. Sling garbage like this, and never confront facts. I would want the truth even if I voted for him.


joe
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:22 am

Yeah, that’s what you call facts when you cannot counter the plethora of video and audio of Van Jones in 2003, 2006, 2008, and March 2009, which if the MSM carried, would end this thing. But they won’t. They, like you, are cowards. Sling garbage like this, and never confront facts. I would want the truth even if I voted for him.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:28 am

Change a few words and I swear I’m reading Mein Kampf. Eh, whatever. Wake me up when you pick up an Anarchist’s Cookbook and a Ryder truck to strike a blow for freedom, McVeigh.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:28 am

Change a few words and I swear I’m reading Mein Kampf. Eh, whatever. Wake me up when you pick up an Anarchist’s Cookbook and a Ryder truck to strike a blow for freedom, McVeigh.


bobbill
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

After reading these post we are in deep trouble. Van Jones is by his own words a Communist our green czar ( what ever that is) and he is advising the pres on critical subjects ( where is the FBI ) The health care scratched the elderly consolations to prepare for death why was that in the bill to start with???? Now he wants to indoctrinate little children at school but met a storm of parents ( not my kids ) why is he doing this stuff???? Wake up people this administration is so far left ,but you voted him in so we have to keep our eyes open. The good news is only 45 % of the people think he is doing a good job and better yet his 45% is falling every day.


bobbill
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

So you think Obama is doing a good job??? Pelosi was going to stop the war 2 years ago talk about a kook she is the number one. I thought Obama was going to stop the war in the first 6 months??? But it makes no diff 2010 a big change that will put a stop to a lot of this bs and in 2012 the Obamas will go on a very long vacation.My hero Glenn Beck is exposing these people so much they are trying to get him off the tube,but it wont work ( true American ).


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Conservatives just can’t handle a lifetime of learning stuff. Ew, facts!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Conservatives just can’t handle a lifetime of learning stuff. Ew, facts!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Your hero?

Sad. So sad.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Your hero?

Sad. So sad.


jacasa
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Stuck on stupid………….


jacasa
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:29 am

I voted for George W. Bush. I felt safe to be an American during his terms. Sadly, I no longer feel that way because of BO.


jacasa
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:30 am

Yup……that's why so many people admire him. I know I sure do.


JoeSierra
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 1:16 am

What do you admire most his deceptiveness, or illusory and misleading skills?


jacasa
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:01 am

I admire him for his honesty. Speaking of deception and misleading skills, I could say the same for your chosen one “Obama”. Look. you have your opinion, I have mine. Don't watch Beck's show………I don't watch Olberman, Matthews or Madcow.


bobbill
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:24 am

I hope you are not disappointed in Obama. You think everything will be Rosie for you,myself with my puny little brain dont think you will like what is going on in Washington once you see the outcome. You are right about Bush but dont count on Obama to make things any better with his wild spending love of the unions and GM and chrysler, coming up is Cap and Trade health care no one in there right mind wants. Wait till he wants to make all illegals US citizens so the 12 million ( i dont know how they came up with that number or the 50 million uninsured ) can get HC. Dream on all the free stuff i hope you have a good job to help pay for all this stuff. ( taxes )


joe
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:51 am

Zen, you need to look at the actual total cost of the war compared to the $12 trillion this administration and congress have blown thru in just a few months. The war spending/savings will not cover health care for all indefinitely.


bobbill
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:53 am

Do you think money will make a better teacher??? Get rid of the union so a bad teacher can be fired. At the end of the year if the students do not improve it is the teacher that is responsible. Problem salved fire the teacher. A teacher has to be a motivator not just to get a check.


havasuaz
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:55 am

The reason that most tenured professors are liberal is because young conservitive professors decide that they want to acheive something in their lives and leave the universities for real jobs to acheive real goals, while the liberals are content to bask in the easy life and leach off of society like the rest of thier liberal counterparts.


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:58 am

zenphoenix42; JoeSierra; tommyJame: I have read these posts and have a few comments for those more liberal among the posters here:

zenphoenix42: The current administration is full of far-left elites. Can you name one person on the admin that isn't an elite either literally or figuratively? Further, most of them are, as many politicians on both sides are, terribly hypocritical in making strict tax code and not following it or wanting socialized medicine, but not wanting it for themselves. Talking about the benefits of public education, while killing it and not sending their kids there.

Democrats and Republicans alike have accelerated spending on education far far beyond inflation. In the LAUSD, more than $17k is spent per child not including building programs (over $30k with construction included) and that has increased more than 45% in the past 10 years. What's happened to the district. Same in Memphis, Atlanta, and so many other cities. Across the board, more unaccountable spending has led to poorer results. In the LA area, some of the least funded districts deliver the highest score results. Same in TN, MS, IL and other areas I have studied. So, you assumptions are wholly incorrect.

Czars were wrong under Clinton, Bush and Obama. You seem to be arguing that since Bush did wrong, it's OK for Obama to do more wrong??? Not the most sound logic. As for Czars, have you read the bios and reviewed the writings of the current Czars? My count shows five or six that self proclaim to be Marxist or Communist. I don't throw these out lightly or as hyperbole. This their own proclamations. No matter how you slice it, that's pretty frightening.

tommyJames: I'd be happy to debate healthcare with you. I am more conservative than you and am completely against any government intervention. We desperately need less government intervention. I have worked in the field (with CDC, FDA, hospitals and manufacturers) for more than 15 years. The more involved government gets, the more things cost–by definition. Government has tremendous overhead and zero economic incentive for cost control or competition. More competition, reduced regulation and reduced tort would make a tremendous improvement in our health insurance.

Also, remember that EVERYBODY in America, including illegals, has access to healthcare–by law. Everybody. We need to find a reasonable insurance solution for the legitimately uninsured 10 million that doesn't destroy the economy or wreck the system for the 85% of Americans who are happy with their current healthcare.

As bad as Fox is, it's been consistently shown to be the LEAST biased of the major news outlets. Although independent ratings groups show Fox to be slightly right of center with some balancing left views, CNN, ABC, CBS, NYT and other major outlets promote only the moderate to far left views with little or no balance (other than one or two shows on CNN).

Both sides…stop the personal attacks and focus on the issues to the greatest degree possible.


havasuaz
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:10 am

You liberal idiots are repeatedly throwing out the “3 million viewers” number as if that was the total number of people that support what and how Fox is conveying these issues. The point is that of all of the people that watch cable news, 6 times more people watch Fox than the next highest rated show on any network. Look at the polls, you are now in the minority…again. I guess that makes people that do not support this left wing aganda a majority, and that makes you the new “King of the Fringe Nuts”!


libertymom
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:10 am

Van Jones is not just an advisor to Obama — they are teammates working towards the same goal: remaking this country into the United Communist States of America by way of revolution. Obama is just the puppet. Jones and all the other Czars are behind the scenes stirring up racial and class hatred while Obama decimates the economy, kills jobs, and demoralizes our military and intelligence agencies. Conditions are ripe for their revolution. I have not seen this level of black- on -white hatred in my city before Obama emerged on the political scene. The ugly racial comments and slurs directed at conservatives at our Town Hall really alarmed me, and it's spreading everywhere. The entire Obama administration, in coordination with the MSM are laying the groundwork daily for the takeover. Go get 'em Glenn!


sedsays
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:17 am

Get a grip dude, we are indies because we dislike the far left and the far right….we think for ourselves and pick the best person for the job…not the best party (not that there is one)


havasuaz
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:28 am

Joe you must be a younger person. If you had the benefit of some maturity, you would know that strength comes from adversity. What about you Joe, you must be perfect… otherwise you are living in a glass house. From what I have read of your posts, I wouldn't trust you with anything that I cared about. Glenn puts it on the line every day for his country. He is willing to sacrifice all that he has for something bigger than himself that he believes in. You on the other hand live in your own version of reality and throw cheap shots without taking the time to consider the importance of these issues and taking the time to compose a thoughtful response.

***Oh yeah, nice try on the cut and paste on the pshycological analysis post below.***


thesheriffsani
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:29 am

If you're looking for the great 'N—-r Plot To Enslave The Whites' thread, its back at Stormfront.


havasuaz
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:06 am

I hope that BO keeps marching down his path…he is uniting American Patriots in a greater way than at any time since 9-11. Thanks to Glenn, we will continue to unite, he will be stopped and we will dismantle his aganda.

In the end we will all have a better idea of what it means to be American….keep it up BO, it turns out your just what America needed to revitalize our patriotism.


Gatorwraps
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:15 am

Gatorwraps.com


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:18 am

Do you know any teachers? The ones I know spend 40-50 hours at the school and another 20-30 hours at home grading papers, creating worksheets, planning lessons. They earn just enough to get by, really, and devote their entire lives to their career and teaching those kids.

How 'bout we take all the money we spend on air defense that didn't even protect the Pentagon from an attack 51 minutes into the attacks of 9/11, and in Dick Cheney's direct command no less, and spend it on making our working class heroes earn a decent living for their sacrifices once again?

Why should Glenn Beck be rolling in dough for sitting on his butt espousing conspiracy theories, when the people who do actual work in this country barely have enough to own their own homes even if they're married.

The very fact that teachers are constantly under fire for supposedly not giving enough for what they're paid shows how the media in general has portrayed them as compared to wall street types, politicians, and pundits themselves.

How 'bout if the people making bank off of the current health insurance situation in this country, who were warned over 15 years ago in the early '90s that they needed to do something about the problem, learn to be motivators and not just get a check. The right wing of the media like to pretend that the industry will solve the problem on its own, but it hasn't yet…even after Clinton's administration threatened to take the problem out of the hands.

Glen probably makes 10 times what elementary school teachers make, and does nowhere near the work. If he's the one that planted in your mind that teachers don't earn their checks, screw him. I do agree, though, that the unions need to allow bad teachers to be fired.


chesapeakepatriot
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 6:19 am

Unfortunately, libertymom, the plan of Obama and his backers is to follow the Saul Alinsky radical whose motto was to 'divide & conquer'. One of the steps to quickly overthrow this country. Obama ran on a platform of “unity”. What he is actually doing is dividing this country. The race card is being played worse now than I have seen since the 60's. People on one side of the political arena are not just disagreeing with the other side, we have come to hate the other side. His plan is working perfectly. Right on schedule. There are so many areas of outrage everyday, it's impossible to keep up with the ways he is abusing the power of his office. This keeps everyone outraged. Confused. Overwhelmed. Just as Obama and his thugs want us. That is why what Glenn Beck is doing is so important. He is opening eyes. He is changing minds. The Liberals are scared to death of what he is doing. Why else are they so visciously attacking him? Our hope is enough people will get mad about losing this country and keep up the fight and not sit on their butts. I don't know about everyone else, but “I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore”. I will do my part for hours everyday to spread the word about the evil happening in our country.


UADJ
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 6:22 am

Why are we arguing? Because the government is not empowered by the Constitution to forcefully take from one group to give to another.

“Health care for all Americans” is not the role of a government that is supposed to protect the rights of the people. Health care is not a right (look at the Bill of Rights if you are confused about Constitutional rights) We take care of our own health care, and we have the government stay out of the way.

We are arguing because for the past 100 years progressives have successfully wormed their way into making people dependent on the government. They have won people with the notion that “vote for us and we will give you things”. As the moral fiber of this country gets weaker, that progressive siren's song becomes more appealing. We are arguing because there are people who still believe in individual freedom and responsibility to maintain freedom.


kathyrnboehme
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 7:01 am

Where is My United States of America? Who's destroying My Republic? Obama, his close friends, and our elected officials. .How the heck is Obama and his goon's getting away with the deconstruction of America? I didn't vote for this. No political enity has asked me if I wanted to dump the “USA” in the toilet and adopt communism. Is Obama trying to goad the average american citizen into a revolt against our own beloved nation? I am a loyal american and I am terrified that “we the people” will soon be the old Soviet Union crossed with Cuba. Obama cannot do this to America without the consent of it's people. Remaining silent is giving consent. Call the White House switchboard, call your representives in government. Make them accountable. They work for “US”, and they need to be reminded what we give we will take away.


Name
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 8:04 am

If you have questions ask them here. It's were the people have a voice. Check it out!!! http://whimsis.com


bobbill
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Yes i do know teachers?? You are correct that teachers should be payed more but the problem is not the teacher but the administrators just like Beck they sit on there butts draw the big money just like the politicians get big perks big retirements. A teacher that can not be fired is a travesty and not fair to the students,my daughter going to Sac state has a professor that refuses to teach so she uses the time to study,when this BS is going on it is time to change,when i complained they told me they would look in to the problem he is still there so i was talking to deaf ears. This is part of the problem, parents are the other problem.


J Harvey
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

I think *you* should look at the Bill of Rights, particularly Number Nine. We, the People, are not limited to the rights spelled out in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. In other words, just because it doesn't say we have a right, doesn't mean we don't have a right.

Does that make healthcare a right? It's for us to decide, not the long dead founders who had no concept of modern medicine. They did, in their wisdom, realize that times and society change. Thus they built in mechanisms to change our Constitution, as not to burden us with outdated thoughts and beliefs, i.e. slavery, sole enfranchisement of landed males, etc…


bobbill
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

You are wrong independents were Rep and Dem's. That is why Obama is in the WH now the people were fed up with Bush, just about all the professor are so far left teaching our young adults no wonder they are for all this green stuff. Use your brain why dont Obama want to drill for oil in Alaska or off the coast of California?? Pickens and Gore stand to make billions of dollars off wind power ( Pickens gave up on the wind power ) . Gore is a hypocrite on all this environment BS. But you just dream on in this fantasy world hoping for the big change that will not come.


libertymom
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

We need to watch the White House like hawks. Can you imagine being a fly on the wall in there? Oh, that we could only know the plans they are making.


UADJ
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Thank you for the response. I agree the constitution allows for change. There is a process for amendment which progressives have side stepped for years.

Amendment 9 reads “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”. Your case, I believe, is that we can interpret this to mean that health care is a right. I believe this Amendment in the Bill of Rights, limits the power of government and retains with the people all power except those powers specifically outlined in the Constitution as given to the Federal Government.

The entire Constitution was established to outline only specific limited power to the federal government while preserving the rest of the freedoms for the people, including the right to not be forced to have insurance or be forced to provide insurance to others.

If you see health care as a right provided in the Bill of Rights, why not food and shelter? I don't agree with your reasoning.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

You seem to be stuck in the denial stage of grief over your loss. You have 7+ years to work your way through the remaining stages.

I don't watch any cable news so i don't know how many do and don't care. Most so called news in this country is really entertainment directed at target audiences.

The only poll that i take seriously is the one people enter on election day.
The last one of those polls said that, You Lost, We Won, Get Used To It.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

She’s said she’s in Florida…and I thought having Jeb Bush for governor fixed all their problems.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

She’s said she’s in Florida…and I thought having Jeb Bush for governor fixed all their problems.


par4
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Fuckin Hoosiers. What did you expect?


Patrick
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

Glenn Beck is simply an actor who is using his hysteria to get ratings. He is an alarmist and those that think he is looking out for his country are just puppets of Fox News. His show it the best comedy on TV these days.


brendanm
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/


brendanm
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Yeah, totally, and even worse he's black. You didn't vote for this (70 million Americans did, though).


brendanm
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

It takes a true patriot to threaten their government with terrorism.


brendanm
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

I thought it was Free Republic. Or was that Fox Nation? Hard to tell…


Arthur
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

What I would like to know is WHEN did uneducated, former substance abusers, college dropouts ( I mean, REALLY guys!) like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh BECOME ELECTED? THEY ARE DICTATING POLICIES IN THIS COUNTRY! They are dictating what the President can or cannot do and ultimately usurping the democratic process! I DID NOT VOTE FOR THESE PPL. AND THEY ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO ANY OF US! YEAH WHATEVER THEY SAY GETS TREATED LIKE FACT. LET THEM RUN FOR OFFICE! PUT THEIR IDEAS TO THE TEST OF TRUTH!


Arthur
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

What a load of crap! havasuaz. are you kidding me? Beck sacrifices what? his multimillionaire dollar salary? How has this country come to laud alcholics who get paid millions to sit and trashtalk on TV and don't respect a self-made man like the President who came from a single parent family to excel at an ivy league school to marry and NOT DIVORCE like glenn beck/rush limbaugh, to become President of the United States who endures 400% percent increase in Nazi death threats to his life and his family? amazing! and utterly disgusting.


laceyu
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

well I suppose we should just elect Fox News president? What exactly are you saying?


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

Wow. Seeing things upside-down and backwards, Anakin? OBAMA is the one stirring up hatred of Obama while Glen Beck is trying to united us? Wow.


rpil
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Everybody has health care in America…if you break your leg. Try to walk into any healthcare provider and ask for a preventative mammogram so you can check on your family history of breast cancer. The fact that “everybody in America” can get healthcare shows your simplistic and ignorant grasp of the facts.

85% of Americans are happy with their healthcare…that's interesting. Since 16% do not have healthcare (49 million into 300 million). It's kind of nice being so free of nuance and knowledge. The fact is that the insurance industry refuses to insure the elderly because they cost a lot. The government stepped in and took care of the elderly. This allowed the insurance companies to make money off of the healthly population. Of course, insurance then decided that another 49 million were too costly and denied them. Having the government provide healthcare for the old and this additional 49 million is going to cost a lot. No one else will do it however. Perhaps we should just eliminate this horrible government socialized medicine. Why don't we start a campaign to eliminate Medicare and let private enterprise handle it?

5 or 6 Marxist Communist Czars? I am aware of Van Jones. Can you tell me the others?


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

I'm not arguing that since Bush did wrong, it's okay for Obama too. I'm arguing that if my choice is between war-mongering elites who spend this nation's wealth dropping bombs on innocents that never attacked us while trampling on the Constitution, and a dangerous liberal who wants to give me health care while trampling on the Constitution, then the choice is the lesser of two evils and quite obviously I'm better off with a screwed Constitution, health care, and foreign diplomacy than with a screwed Constitution, no health care, and “leadership” that starts war after war with no plans to even define victory. McCain and war in Iran and no health care and over-stretched military with more wars on the horizon…or Obama with an actual chance of going after Osama bin Laden and health care and respect enough for our military to not overburden them with one undefined war based on unprovable claims after another. Do you really think Cheney's claim that we should've started more wars during Bush's administration even remotely resembles sound, logical leadership? Screw that, let the elites fund my health care while trying to inspire a bunch of right-wing sheep to get themselves killed starting a war with their own country.

It's not a choice between good and evil. It's a choice of lesser evil, and the right wing had their chance and went looney-tunes batshit insane off the deep end with it. Let's give Obama 1/10th the benefit of the doubt we gave Bush going into Iraq. It's absolutely mind-blowing to me that the same people who defended everything Bush did (because a President of the United States can do no evil) now think Obama's only pushing for health care for poor people to sneak in measures to euthanize senior citizens. Absolutely astounding.


rpil
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Your kidding me right? Fox News is the highest rated CABLE news show. ABC, CBS, NBC, and yes, even the FOX network beat them.
The last time I looked at the polls, they were telling me the McCain was a shoe in right before the election. Let me guess…we have decided that the polls are great now so they must agree with you.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

You've accessed and read Obama's school speech already? Where did you find it, to read and condemn already? I can't seem to locate it, so please show us all the link where you read it and open-mindedly decided that it was “to indoctrinate little children at school”?

Really looking forward to your response, it's always a pleasure to have open-minded debate amongst intelligent, rational, non-assuming, non-preprogrammed-sheep types.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

I see it as more of a Constitutional right than the neo-cons had to carpet-bomb Baghdad, or McCain would've had to carpet-bomb Tehran. We didn't declare War, why again? Oh, yeah, because right-wingers didn't give a crap about Constitutional law then.

I think we SHOULD spend our resources making sure all Americans have food and shelter before we drop a single bomb on people that haven't wronged us in any way.

Constitution got thrown out the window by Bush. Guess the right wing should've cared about fair play if they didn't want the left wing to go nuts with the power too.

Bush and the Republican-controlled congress used Reconciliation rules to push tax cuts for the rich onto the rest of us. I say it's more than fair to use it to make those overpaid-to-begin-with finally take care of the people generating their wealth, doing actual work at the companies they jointly own through the stock markets.

If the Republicans see Reconciliation as such a horrible, un-American move, why did they use it to push such elitist, rejected-by-the-vast-majority BS through? Did they think they'd never lose power, and the left would never have a chance to control the unlevel playing field they'd been operating on? There's far more public support for insuring poor peoples' health than there was for tax cuts to the rich.

I think Barack is actually doing some smart things as far as preventing future Presidents from continuing such abuses. Like his recent announcement of White House Visitor's Logs being available for public perusal a couple months after the fact…I can't WAIT 'til some Bush-esque energy policy meetings take place in future Republican administrations: Cheney may have been able to make those records disappear, but future admins won't!


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

It's especially amusing when he tries to fake cry and can't.

Amusing in that depressed, “people buy this?” kind of way.


Patrick
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

shame on you!!! what difference does it make it Obama is black? true racisism is rampant amongst you conservatives!!


Patrick
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

Like Bush/Cheney did when they allowed 9/11. Only thing is>>they did not thrreaten us, they murdered us!


Steve X
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

All I have to say about this post is A-fucking-MEN!


Steve X
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

Oh…I see what you did there.


Steve
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

Please, if you believe that, you are crazier than the bamster and van jones.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

And if it's Obama's sinister plan to manipulate you into fearing and hating him so as to divide and conquer the public, why are you sheep falling for it hook, line, and sinker like dumbshits and doing exactly what you think he wants?

You right-wingers just aren't very good at the whole “conspiracy theory” thing yet. But don't worry: If we lefties have our way, you'll have plenty of time to come up with better than “death panels” and plots to convince you to do what you seem intent on doing anyway.

“Oh my God, Obama tricked me into being an indoctrinated tool and hating him…what a clever trickster! I hates him so much…”

People who questioned anything Bush did, according to Fox, did so just because they hated him so much personally and for partisan political reasons. So, if we apply their own logic, guess you just hate Obama on a personal level (racism, mebbe?) and because you're a partisan political hack just trying to stir up controversy. You need to get over your innate, natural hatred of Barack Obama and realize that everything he possibly does is good for you, because the President of the United States couldn't possibly have any other motivations than looking out for you.

If I have to watch ignorance be used to destroy my country, at least I can finally return the favor offered me so many times the past 8 years and ask, “Why do you hate America?” and “Why are you letting your inexplainable, unfounded, pre-programmed hatred of Obama blind you to your own best interests, you partisan tool?”

Even the economic crisis: stock markets are measures of consumer confidence. Fox tells you every day that things are just getting worse, thereby ensuring the continuation of low consumer confidence. Why are they intentionally trying to destroy this country for purely partisan political reasons?


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

Why? Obama's out to euthanize Grandma, right? Apparently, some very sinister types can indeed infiltrate our government! We should have investigations into both “Death Panels” and all of the Family Steering Committee's (9/11 victims' relatives) unanswered questions:

http://www.911independentcommission.org/questio…

Glenn Beck, just last night, admitted that 9/11 Truthers have some questions that even HE would like to see answered, and listed a few on his show…right before labeling Van Jones dangerously insane for entertaining the same questions (Huh?! WTF, people?!).

Let's see which investigation turns up any shred of evidence.


brendanm
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

But some things transcend ideology, such as a sense of irony or humor, or the lack thereof.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

Seriously, Kathyrn, get out there and start taking away what we've given them! I hope you and tons of other Fox Kool-Aid drinkers take to the streets and get your idiot heads blowed off by the Machine. We lefties didn't think we had what it took in the Bush years, but mebbe after you lemmings weaken 'em some…

Good luck!
Get that Tree of Liberty watered for those of us Patriots that survive your foolishness!


J Harvey
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

Yes, I do believe it is a right, BUT my argument was that just because a right is not enumerated in the Constitution does not mean it doesn't exist. That's what your argument boiled down to, yes?

From WikiPedia:

[T]he ninth amendment does not confer substantive rights in addition to those conferred by other portions of our governing law. The ninth amendment was added to the Bill of Rights to ensure that the maxim expressio unius est exclusio alterius would not be used at a later time to deny fundamental rights merely because they were not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_Amendment_to…

It's doesn't reserve power to the people, it merely assures that non-enumerated right can and do exist. Again, Healthcare may be a right. That's for us to decide.


brendanm
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

There are some wingnuts on the left that believe 9/11 was an inside job by Bush and the neoconservatives/Jews (a fringe), there are wingnuts on the right who believe President Obama is a secret Muslin Kenyan homosexual liberal fascist communist who wants to put your euthanized white grandmother in an ACORN-run FEMA concentration camp and force her to abort baby Trig and get gay-married (somewhere between a dominant plurality and a narrow majority), and there are nutjobs who believe both (Paultards).


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 12:17 am

Great post Zen, I think you understand that these wingnuts don't give a damn about the Constitution or Americans in general.

They are on a mission to destroy PBHO and the Left, by any means necessary. They think their crusade is working but i think they are guaranteeing their future as the party of No, no ideas, no hope, no soul, but plenty of hate.
Remember,
They Lost.
We Won.
Get Used To It.


Alienated Wannabe
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 4:02 am

I love Glenn Beck. I am so grateful for the bravery he has demonstrated in serving our country by exposing those powerful insiders seeking to “fundamentally” change it according to their leftist goals. God bless him! May we all follow his lead, and make our names be heard with him.

If we let Glenn stand alone in this hour of crisis, we will not be able to look our children in the eye when they ask us what we did to preserve their freedom.


Steve X
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 4:06 am

It's just too bad all of you “patriots” were asleep at the wheel Dubya failed to stop the single deadliest attack on American soil in U.S. history, then invaded the wrong country in attempt to make us forget that failed to defend us that day, all the while spending billions in the process.

It's even worse that y'all real Americans didn't do or say a thing when that same president decided to expand government more than any other President in decades by creating the Department of Homeland Security, once again spending (and wasting) billions in the process.

The biggest opportunity that you defenders of American freedom squandered was letting Dubya and Dick ignore the Constitution and the rule of law by wiretapping people, indefinite detention, and torture.

But I guess that what makes you guys real Americans and the rest of us a bunch of socialists: completely ignoring the massive failures of the past administration, and placing all of the blame at the feet of the guy that's been there seven months as he tries to get our nation back on track after eight consecutive years of the most disastrous President that we will ever see in any of our lifetimes.

You “patriots” are a joke. Nothing more, nothing less. May the Obama administration bring you as much misery in your own minds as the Bush administration brought the rest of us in real life.


Mike Hunt
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:21 am

“I'm arguing that if my choice is between war-mongering elites who spend this nation's wealth dropping bombs on innocents that never attacked us while trampling on the Constitution”

Obama is now the War-Mongering-Elite in charge. He's ramping up the killing of innocents in Afghanistan. That's ok with you, though, because Obama is doing it. Liberals are lousy hypocrites.

For empire and democracy: NATO obliterates 100 Afghanis, hundreds more injured, in devastating airstrikes

BBC News
Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:43 UTC

More than one hundred people, mostly civilian, have reportedly been killed and scores others injured after US-led warplanes targeted fuel tankers in an area of northern Afghanistan
Some unconfirmed reports suggested that more than one hundred people had been killed in the explosions caused by the unprecedented strikes.

The governor of Kunduz province, Mohammad Omar, feared the death toll could be as high as 90.

Police chief of the Ali Abad district in northern Kunduz province said dozens of people were killed in the deadly bombardment which rocked the region with huge explosions.

“The fuel tanker got stuck in the river. There were local civilians with them as well. The Taliban were bombed,” the police chief said.

Witnesses said that hundreds of wounded people with horrific burns have crowded a hospital in Kunduz city, the provincial capital in the Northern Province

More than 140 Afghan civilians were killed in a series of US airstrikes in the western Farah province in early May.

More than 1,000 civilians have lost their lives either in US-led air strikes or in the Taliban-led insurgency across the violence-wracked country in the first half of the current year, according to a UN report.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/192650-For-em…


Mike Hunt
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:25 am

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/192650-For-em…


Mike Hunt
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:27 am

The UN also noticed that the number of civilians killed in conflict in Afghanistan has jumped 24 percent so far this year.

There are more than 101,000 US-led soldiers in Afghanistan. The UN has warned that an increase in the number of American troops in Afghanistan could mean a greater loss of life in the war-torn country.

The US-led airstrikes have killed hundreds of civilians in Afghanistan over some past months.

The spiraling civilian casualties have sparked public outrage and constituted a moot point between Kabul and Washington.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/192650-For-em…


rightwingrick
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

Glen Beck is from my state. A lot of people here have always wondered about his parnoia and mental stability. His logic has always seemed to come from somewhere in outer space.


rightwingrick
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

I have come to the conclusion that most far-righters are the most scared people in the country. “The sky is falling, the sky is falling!” These are the super-patriots? I don't think so! What wimps, crying about EVERYTHING.


Margaret Munday
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

I get so tired of you liberals trying to play the race card all the time. Yes, Obama is black. I have no objection to his color. I have every objection to his agenda. He is a socialist/Marxist, more Marxist than socialist..how else can you explain the radical beliefs of his appointed czars? The green czar, Van Jones, is a communist idiologist, who believes in revolution, and has made it very clear that HE is a racist! He hates all whtes! Has it ever occurred to any of you on the left that racism goes both ways? Blacks can have racist views toward whites just the same as whites toward blacks..i.e. Obama and the white cop. In fact, most of the racism I have seen nowadays, is black toward white. So don't play the race card. It just doesn't cut it any more. As for the czars, have you looked at the background of the others? One proclaims his great approval of the beliefs of Mao te Sung, one believes in forced abortion especially of a defective child, one believes couples should be limited to two children, one believes that a child cannot be considered a human being until the age of two because it hasn't become socialized until then. All are either socialist or Marxist. None have been approved by Congress. Obama picked them. What does this say about Obama? He is, and always has been an extreme radical socialist/Marxist who wants to dismantle this government and replace it with a communistic system like Russia. Of course he hid this during his campaign. He was the temperate moderate who was going to heal the country, provide transparent government, and bring the two parties together. All he has done is try to take over all aspects of the government, BiG Brother.Glen Beck is courageous enough to investigate this administration and tell the truth to the people. He is a Christian, and he loves this country. He is doing what is right, not what is easy. I admire and respect him, and I will stand beside him against his enemies. God bless him. Yes, he has made mistakes in his past. And he tells the truth about it. How many other commentators do that? Glen Beck, may God and the people be with you all the way. I know I am.


Margaret Munday
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

I get so tired of you liberals trying to play the race card all the time. Yes, Obama is black. I have no objection to his color. I have every objection to his agenda. He is a socialist/Marxist, more Marxist than socialist..how else can you explain the radical beliefs of his appointed czars? The green czar, Van Jones, is a communist idiologist, who believes in revolution, and has made it very clear that HE is a racist! He hates all whtes! Has it ever occurred to any of you on the left that racism goes both ways? Blacks can have racist views toward whites just the same as whites toward blacks..i.e. Obama and the white cop. In fact, most of the racism I have seen nowadays, is black toward white. So don't play the race card. It just doesn't cut it any more. As for the czars, have you looked at the background of the others? One proclaims his great approval of the beliefs of Mao te Sung, one believes in forced abortion especially of a defective child, one believes couples should be limited to two children, one believes that a child cannot be considered a human being until the age of two because it hasn't become socialized until then. All are either socialist or Marxist. None have been approved by Congress. Obama picked them. What does this say about Obama? He is, and always has been an extreme radical socialist/Marxist who wants to dismantle this government and replace it with a communistic system like Russia. Of course he hid this during his campaign. He was the temperate moderate who was going to heal the country, provide transparent government, and bring the two parties together. All he has done is try to take over all aspects of the government, BiG Brother.Glen Beck is courageous enough to investigate this administration and tell the truth to the people. He is a Christian, and he loves this country. He is doing what is right, not what is easy. I admire and respect him, and I will stand beside him against his enemies. God bless him. Yes, he has made mistakes in his past. And he tells the truth about it. How many other commentators do that? Glen Beck, may God and the people be with you all the way. I know I am.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Actually, I do have a problem with the killing of innocents under Barack too.

It's just that he's actively trying to find solutions to these problems that were created by Bush, instead of what McCain would have done: started another BS war, in Iran.

“Liberals are lousy hypocrites”: screw you. Where's your solution to the problem? Big-mouthed Bush-supporting idea-less idiot. Obama didn't start the war, and just because you want to blame him for all the death that it comes with, doesn't mean the rest of us are so naive. Now that we're there, we have to deal with it in a way that minimizes further damage to the region. But it will always be Bush that screwed the pooch and left the problem for Obama to try to solve. And if we'd let you idiots vote McCain and Palin in, we'd probably be in WWIII already, so again, let me repeat: screw you.

It's great how you hypocritical righties try to blame Obama for everything Bush started. “OMG, Obama's spying on Americans through the internet!”, because Bush spying-on-Americans programs haven't been stopped yet. “OMG, Obama's bombing innocents in Afghanistan!”, because Bush bombing-innocents-everywhere-we-let-him programs haven't been stopped yet.

Unless you righties have a solution to the problems you made, stop trying to blame Obama for the mess. He's just doing what he HAS to, because he's in a horrible position. You want him to cut-and-run, like you assholes tried to scare everyone into thinking he would? He didn't, so now you blame him for the mess? Just screw you. You can't have it both ways just because you lack the ability to pick one.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

I love how the righties have to intentionally misinterpret lefties positions, because they don't have any ideas of their own to stand on.

“Obama is now the War-Mongering-Elite in charge. He's ramping up the killing of innocents in Afghanistan. That's ok with you, though, because Obama is doing it.”

Where the HELL did you get the idea that that's ok with me? I personally think we should be far more isolationist, and idiots like you shouldn't be allowed to start wars with NO PLANS TO EVER END THEM and then blame the deaths on the next president.

It was obviously ok with you, though, when Bush was doing it.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

Beck's a Christian, looking out for Christian values?

The Christ I read about would've been FOR health care for the poor.

Christ was NOT a Republican. He was a dangerous leftie, who would've gone into those mega-churches the Republicans had fundraisers at and overturned their collection tables.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

Every time I re-read your post, Mr. Hunt, it strikes me as more and more unfounded in reality:

“Obama is now the War-Mongering-Elite in charge”:
1) Obama getting elected put the kabosh on the war with Iran that the war-mongering elite wanted. How does that make him one of them?
2) PLEASE RESPOND: Name one war Obama started.


Patrick
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Christians are very narrow minded and don't believe in equal right for ALL Amercans. Why are they so against same sex marriage? If this is the sacred vow they say it is, why do over 50% of “good Christians” get divorces and are allowed to remarry in the church to say the same vow again? By the way Margaret>>>Glenn, not Glen!! Bush/Cheney were the ultimate Big Brother administration. Christians think all people should think and believe their way ONLY. Many of Obama's Czars do have a past that they have said they are sorry for and that they made a lot of mistakes. Why can't they be forgiven like you are forgiving Beck for his past? And yes, there are plenty of Blacks with huge prejudice and racism against Whites. But, please Margaret>>don't tell me that White Supremists (also Christians!) and many of you who are non-Obama folks are not racist. Get real. Beck is not a commentator, he is an actor who is “crying” for ratings, not his country. He is a riot to watch>>>funnier than the Comedy channel! Keep buying his hysterics and believe in what you want>>that is why you and I live in America. But, stop all of your lies and false facts against President Obama. Where were you when Bush/Cheney stripped our civil rights? Probably with your head up your ass and praying. This country is not limited to the Christian/Right Wing Whack Jobs, so be more open. I am ok sharing my country with you and tolerating your type, so be respectful and do the same with me. I wish I could get married, but because of the narrow minded folks like you, I can't. Live and let live maam!


Steve_X
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

Well, I get tired of you conservatives playing the God card all the time. Have any of you ever tried reading that Bible you claim to love so much? Jesus was liberal. Deal with it.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

Well, I get tired of you conservatives playing the God card all the time. Have any of you ever tried reading that Bible you claim to love so much? Jesus was liberal. Deal with it.


KevinNYC
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

Hi, your article implies that Van Jones was a criminal which is not the case

“Beck informed viewers that Jones was a reformed criminal and political radical, something Jones has really never tried to hide.”

This is a very poorly worded sentence. Jones used to be a political radical. He is a reformed radical. He was never a criminal. Beck has repeated lied about this. Jones was never convicted of any crimes. He was arrested a protest a week after the Rodney King verdicts and charges were dropped and he was compensated for being falsely arrested.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 8:19 am

“We are arguing because there are people who still believe in individual freedom and responsibility to maintain freedom”.

Oh, right…and government-provided health care would destroy the freedom you hold so dear. I get it now.

Just like Social Security (it’s got Socialism in its name! Gasp!), MediCare, public (read: socialized!) schools, the U.S. postal service, government-run police and fire protection, public libraries, and a standing military have destroyed your freedom.

Why don’t you stop paying the unconstitutional personal income taxes that support all these horrible programs to show us all how much more you value being “free” than the rest of us do?


olivia
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

This is a stupid comment. If Glen Beck is a Christian with all of his hatred, Jesus will never forgive Christianity. God says to love thy neighbor not destroy him. He does not qualify that statement to, love thy neighbor if he believes as you do. Glen Beck is the worst form of bigot that there is. I have just about had it with the kind of pronouncements found in your non informed statements. Maybe it is time for the rest of us to stop “stop turning the other cheek.”


Name
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Did you even investigate and observe his program before penning what you did? If you really wanted to belittle him and send him off into the wilderness, why didn't you take his own statements and what he presents as facts, in the context that he presents them and tear his arguments and assertions apart instead of just making fun of him? People are starting to see through that tactic. Oh, you can't because the facts he presents are pretty much irrefutable and he doesn't distort them? You can't because the logical deductions he makes are the only ones that an informed, intelligent unbiased person could make? This is where you laugh at my e-mail and dismiss me as an uninformed hick that has been mislead by a Charlton. I have an IQ of 133 and am an electrical engineer in the medical industry. This is where your own bias and closed mind says your position is irrefutable without even thinking about it. But let me ask you, where is Van Jones today? He is but the first that the truth and light are about to be shed on. If you truly be live you are in the right, you had better start attending to the other sides arguments as the people are listening, and watching.


mboll
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

i can not believe Americans (either party) could not see what this man is all about. nothing was made up. Every horrible
thing he said is on video. Why fault the messenger because you don't like the true message. how could this man be put in th position he was in this administation. His past was know because of the video of valerrie jarret saying he had been
watched before selecting. This is all on tape-by mr. jones and ms. jarrett/ let's me americans and do some serious research before we speak out against glen beck. I guess some people don't care about what happens to our country and some may even support it. I just don't know
DO YOUR RESEARCH/WATCH THE VIDEOS/


Rfried
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

LOL. Somehow I missed the boat. If we all use the highways, but we pay for them collectively, isn't that a form of socialism? Isn't medicare a form of socialism? For that matter, isn't having a government run judiciary for the sake of settling private contract disputes or dissolving marriages downright communist? I say we just all get big guns and take to the streets to resolve our differences. If you need health care, buy some bandages! If someone steals from you, hunt them down and kill them. And if someone is poor or hungry, leave them on the side of the road! For heaven sakes–do you crazy people ever extend your ideas out to their logical conclusion?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Amen, Rfried!

And let’s burn down all those “socialist” institutions we’ve funded, like public schools, public libraries, police and fire stations…

And you’re totally right about public roads! Rich people pay FAR more for ‘em than I do…massive redistribution of wealth going on there…guess every single street in every single town should have privately-owned toll booths on every single corner…

Medicare, SOCIAL (Gasp! The horror!) Security, workman’s compensation…

Down with liberal socialism! Screw the working class!

I’m with you, too, on encouraging loonies on both sides to have it out. When the surviving sane people are done clearing the streets of their corpses, perhaps we could have some real debate on real issues without all the disruptive crazies spouting nonsense they heard on tv…go to it, fools! Arm up and get your hollow heads blown off!

(Hope you know I’m being sarcastic WITH you, R, and not picking on your sarcasm at all: Hilarious post…peace, brother!)


Anonymous
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

I actually didn’t at first, and would like to apologize if any of my earlier responses toward Florida Christian missed the sarcasm. It’s just that so many Fox Kool-Aid drinkers actually say the EXACT same things that you’re saying in sarcasm, so I mistook you for one of them at first. Sorry, FC! Peace and Blessings be upon you and yours. Your sarcasm is dead-on, though, if I can mistake you for one of them!


Frank
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

“I have an IQ of 133 and am an electrical engineer in the medical industry.”

No one asked. You sound insecure.


Randy
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

Or, you could just refute the hatered through your own research?


mjdlcsw
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

there is already healthcare for the poor – it's called medi-caid.


mjdlcsw
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

Glenn Beck is just doing what the MSM (and perhaps the White house) should be doing in vetting these people in the Obama administration. Don't blame Beck for the conclusions he draws, he is at least investigating and revealing the truth.

Thanks to the internet – invented by Gore of course – we can all see and hear the facts- in Mr. Jones's own words. Van Jones was and is a radical and reflects poorly on Obama's judgment and ultimately his character. and at the end of the day – that IS what matters.


ish2
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Your rantings are insane and lunatic….and clearly show the inadequacies of the educational system in this country. I'm looking for a single actual fact as opposed to paranoid delusion in your comment and there are none.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

Yeah, it’s absolutely HORRIBLE that George Bush started an unwinnable war without even pretending to have a plan for it, and now people will continue dying because of him and the other liars who rushed us into invading the country before we demanded any answers or plans from them.

Everyone serving this nation, including Obama, will do what they can to minimize further destruction, but will never be able to bring back all the people that Bush & Cheney’s short-sighted war-profiteering got killed. Every single life lost until we find some way to leave that country will be blood on the hands of those who fooled us into rushing in with no semblance of a plan TO THIS DAY: time to put up some ideas or SHUT THE FUCK UP, Cheney!

I’ve seen Dick Cheney on the media circuit lately. Sharing insights into how we can achieve whatever it was he was trying to achieve in Afghanistan? Nope. Saying Bush was weak to not start more wars! WTF?!! Saying Obama isn’t handling the War on Terror well…while STILL not offering any ideas of his own! WTF?! COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS OR SHUT THE FUCK UP, war-mongering right-wingers! Screw Dick Cheney & his TRAITOROUS “we should’ve started more wars while we had the chance” militant imperial corporate elitist agenda!


Patrick
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Beck his revealing HIS truth. He is biased in his views and is a total Obama hater. Ever since day 1 when Obama took office, Beck has attacked him. I was considered “unAmerican” when I said things about Bush during his presidency, but now anyone who is against Obama is now an “Independent”. There are plenty of true “Independents”, but there are also a huge amount of Repuclicans who won't admit their party affiliation and say they are “Independent”. The internet is filled with wrong info and those that take the info the get from it without fact checking are lazy and plain out stupid. Just take a look at Fox news!


Lee
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

Patrick – He revealed THE truth idiot! He simply played Van Jones own words for the public to see! Why is it the left can only call names and ridicule? Oh that's right, it's because if they sited facts they would defeat their own arguments!


IceMan711
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

Cute. Actually, Jesus was more about free will. I love how the liberals think that a government which forces people to give up their income to give to others is remotely Christ like.


Lee
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

You must be a liberal Frank. Don't address the issue with facts. Try to dismiss and ridicule the opposition since you have no facts or evidence on your side. Sorry, most people are catching on to Saul's methods.


Lee
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

People, look at the logic and facts the left never uses! Read their posts here and in any post at any site! They deal only in misinformation and emotional appeals.That's because there are no facts, there is no evidence that support their positions! Now they will call me names in response.


Chris Jones
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

Beck began talking about Jones weeks before Color of Change launched their attacks on his show. I know, because I was writing about Jones long before Color of Change began their phony attacks. We're going after the FCC diversity czar next.


Frank
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

I'm a die-hard conservative, but I left the Republican party a little over a year ago. People like this guy, who brags about his genius yet talks about people being mislead by a “Charlton”, have infested the GOP. This is not a group I want to be associated with.


linuxsalute
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Who cares? Obviously you are a liberal with 0 points of common sense.


linuxsalute
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

No you are not – we are not stupid! You are now and always have been a liberal. You are just here to start trouble and be a troll. It's all part of the libs plans.


linuxsalute
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

No you are wrong. He WAS arrested and charged. He was released by his political liberal friends. He was one of the half million minorities rioting. Period. Nothing to do with racism – just the facts.


Frank
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

You just confirmed my point


linuxsalute
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Let me guess….hmmmm….You are a minority right? probably black maybe? Now lie about it c'mon!


Patrick
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

Lee,

Where in my previous posting am I calling anyone names? You call me an idiot. Review your thought process and practice what you preach. I like healthy and open discussions with those that differ from me. Unfortunately, it seems that those that differ from me only want to shout me down. I honestly feel that Beck is simply a puppet for Fox News to get ratings and his “crying” moments are totally fake. I also think he is a racist due to his instant hatred of President Obama from day 1! If that is calling people names, than I guess I am guilty. I am expressing my opinion. I never called you or anyone you are associated with an idiot. Get real!


Lee
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

No facts or logic eh Frank? Just more lies and venom. You are most assuredly a liberal typing away in the bowels of the white house, or his bed room in his mother's basement


mjdlcsw
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

Patrick – Beck is a conservative as are many of us who were once Republican, I consider myself a conservative first. Party affiliation I dropped the republicans when Bush acted more like a Democrat with spending and open border policies. Beck was a critic of the Bush admin as well. In the end, the conservatives will take this country back, and Beck is just giving the “left” their own rope in which to hang themselves. Thankfully someone is pointing these things out.

With respect to attacks on the Admin – If Obama cannot take the criticism – he should not have run for office. You see, he provided us with relatively little to see who he truly was prior to election -what with voting 176 times “present”. so it is natural that when kernels of TRUTH come out he will be vilified by the opposition. Politics is after all a blood sport.

Not to worry you'll have another opportunity to attack a republican congress – in 2010 and a republican President in 2012.


Lee
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

That's it lib! Call names, don't present a logical argument or facts!


Lee
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

Patrick, sorry for getting emotional but Beck played Jones own words out of his own mouth! Fox is the only news outlet aside from the internet that worked at exposing the marxists that “o” has appointed to high office. You will probably say that Fox is a far right org but anything is far right compared to the leftist bent of CBS, NBC, MSNBC etc. He has done this by deceiving the public during the campaign with the open ended use of the words “hope” and “change”. He said himself to judge him by who he surrounds himself with. People like Beck are simply making that possible by making the views of those he has surrounded himself with available. You may like his marxist friends, I don't know. But I do know more and more citizens are becoming aware of it and feel they have been duped by a revolutionary!


JAY
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

If you want the facts to back up what Margret says try GOOGLE, don't wait for the government to spoon feed it to you. Ido agree with you the education sys. in this country sucks, and it is another exampel of failed gov. policies.


zookeeper216
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

I consider myself an American without an attachment to any political party. I try to vote for the person I think is best for the job, lately I haven't seen much from either party to vote for.


mikeva
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

You voted for Bush and Cheney – twice. Conservative sites like FreeRepublic pushed Bush both elections. Conservatives and their politicians have run this country into the ground – relying on fear, anger and propaganda. Republican approval rating sits at 20%!

Your eminent minds like Phil Graham and Bush blasted a whole in our economy with deregulation and an ass-load of expansionary fiscal spending. You lost two wars – and cannibalized our professional military with some #$%# private set of lawless mercenaries. You tortured kids like Mohammed Jawad only to build a new wall between the FBI and the CIA.

One lost decade was too cheap. You all want to go for the whole century. Conservatives went from Buckley to this pseudo-intellectual and irrational set of low information nonsense. Repeat Rush all you want – saying you want our president and country to fail is irrational and emotional. That is your contribution – these irrational, emotional mobs that want to shout everyone down.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/2009/02/frakt-c…

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/us…


mikeva
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

You voted for Bush and Cheney – twice. Conservative sites like FreeRepublic pushed Bush both elections. Conservatives and their politicians have run this country into the ground – relying on fear, anger and propaganda. Republican approval rating sits at 20%!

Your eminent minds like Phil Graham and Bush blasted a whole in our economy with deregulation and an ass-load of expansionary fiscal spending. You lost two wars – and cannibalized our professional military with some #$%# private set of lawless mercenaries. You tortured kids like Mohammed Jawad only to build a new wall between the FBI and the CIA.

One lost decade was too cheap. You all want to go for the whole century. Conservatives went from Buckley to this pseudo-intellectual and irrational set of low information nonsense. Repeat Rush all you want – saying you want our president and country to fail is irrational and emotional. That is your contribution – these irrational, emotional mobs that want to shout everyone down.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/2009/02/frakt-c…

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/us…


mjdlcsw
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

ok what am I thinking doing now? You seem to know who I voted for and who I watch and listen to. You also seem to put a whole lot of words in my mouth. Are you a ventriloquist?

Just like a liberal to paint all with the same brush. Thankfully, conservatives are a more varied lot. irrational? emotional? boy that's rich. And I thought that was out of your play book?

After 4 years of Obama – let's just see where this country is – I predict Conservatives will prevail for the sake of the country.


mjdlcsw
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

I am sure Jesus would be pro-abortion? Let's remove all barriers preventing people from killing babies. That's the position you're telling me that Jesus would support?

Let's be clear and simple – our dear lord taught us love – that was the purpose and the primary message. and so far I am not feeling the love here.


Frank
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

This illustrates the problem I'm talking about. You've become CONVINCED that I'm a liberal, and no matter what I do or say, you will remain CONVINCED that I'm a liberal. As is the case with Glenn Beck, you start with a conclusion, then you proceed backwards, making things up and cherry picking facts so that they fit into your mangled logic. This does not create a foundation for civil political discourse.

So there is no point in me saying anything more; I'd just be talking to the proverbial brick wall.


jwr777
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

all you partisans suck.

watch “flow: for love of water” and “crude awakening: the oil crash”.

this infighting will be the death of us all.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Strangely enough, Jesus never preached anything about abortion. But I'm sure Jesus wasn't for capital punishment. After all, it was He who said “Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.” And I know for a fact that he wasn't against ignoring the plight of the poor to the benefit of the rich. I also know that Jesus wasn't nearly as judgmental as most religious conservatives…the words “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” come to mind. And the prince of peace certainly wouldn't be in favor of pre-emptive war against countries that never posed a threat to us (he certainly would be against lying about it), especially when those wars kill thousands of innocent civilians that never harmed us.

You're absolutely right that Jesus taught us to love, but he didn't just teach us to love the people we agree with, he taught us to love everyone. Somehow people like Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson missed that day in Sunday School.

The religious right has a long way to go before it can even consider itself remotely Christian. They'd be better off starting their own hateful religion where they can be as bigoted and warlike as they want to. That would make it easier for all of us to separate the real Christians from the pretenders.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Adorable. I love how conservatives think that yelling “OMG FAGS R EVIL!” is even remotely Christian since Jesus never taught people to hate. I also love how the religious right thinks that a pre-emptive war that kills thousands of innocent civilians is even remotely Christlike, 'cause I'm pretty sure Christ was a pacifist. It also amazes me that an economic philosophy that puts the whims of the rich over the needs of the poor is just what the Bible ordered, since Christ was really big on caring about the poor and those who couldn't help themselves.

It's also very awesome how the fundamentalists, the most judgmental people on the face of this planet, always ignore the part of the Bible where Jesus says “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Of course, if fake Christians didn't spend all of their time throwing stones at people, talk radio would be a LOT more boring, that's for sure. After all, what's the fun in being an actual Christian when you can make so much more money by being a fake one? The religious right may be religious, but it sure as hell ain't right.


Jay
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

As a Canadian I am shocked that Glen Beck has this much of a following, as a Canadian I did not personally vote for Harper, I am pretty well against everything he stands for but I'm not all about destroying him. I am also surprised at how much religion is involved in your countries politics…..wasn't this against what your founding fathers based your country on?
As for universal health care….again a no brainer why is a LOUD minority being given so much power?


Roxanne
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

Good for Glenn Beck. Someone has to expose the dirty little connections. Certainly the mainstream media isn't doing it.


Patrick
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

If your dear lord taught you love, why are you so hateful to ALL people having the right to marry or adopt. What is so wrong with a loving family wanting to fill a child with love and care when they happen to be of the same sex. They are trying to save a child from a hateful family that dumped them into a system. Those that preach against abortion should not discard their children to a system. I should have the same God given right to marry and adopt as the heterosexual next door. ALL true Christians should never divorce because they have taken the “sacred vow”. So, if you are so against abortion, step up and adopt the unwanted babies (including the ones with challenges in life). I have no love for hypocrites and people who judge those who do not have the same beliefs!


coppola2
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Thank God There is someone finally doing what any legitimate Journalist are supposed to be doing..Where has anyone been?…We know where the major media has beenand now it is so blatant they are in the tank for this President and Congress for some time as Americans know. If noone has watched Glenn Becks Program they should leave no comments. There have been so clearly seen and documented all the ties and associations it is amazing..Yet 'they' continue to not see, hear or question…amazing! Is there clearly, no wonder that Fox News is so highly rated?..rest assured the powers that be are full court pressed to ruin him and Fox….But now…He has the People behind him as We are starting to question and question Boldly our government with open honest questions for we are the Government not the special interests or the politicians.


coppola2
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

YouTube – Tea Party Commercial
I invite any and all to please view this and turn your volume up..It Is not a virus nor spam…It sums it up very well…No Spin Here!
This is the America I know…Take a look…Which Party do you think this would be for? I grant you both parties have many faults and have don't served us well. This is not a republican or a democratic issue this is an American Issue…..To nit pick back and forth especially now in our current situation we are in…..I guess I have been elevated to terrorist status…as I am also part of a mob, astro turf, declared Un American, Evil etc etc…We have the power, we have the power of the vote.


wbluyonder
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

Thank goodness for Glenn Beck. I'm glad to finally see some investigative effort to reveal Beck's patriotism and investigative insights.


Name
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:24 am

Was he convicted? Have you ever gotten a traffic ticket? If so, you are a criminal using your own reasoning.


patriotusa
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 12:35 am

Hello America
I too used to watch the main stream media CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC NBC etc.
In my heart I didn't believe they were reporting the truth. I was very disappointed
in the way they reported news I channel surfed over to Fox. It so happened that
Glenn Beck was reporting a story. I enjoyed his caring truthful nature on the way
he reports what is going on in the United States. I told all my friends and now they
are all watching Glenn Beck. We support him and believe we are gettin the truth.
We pray for our country we pray for Glenn Becks safety and the safety of
his family.

We the people need to take our country back with out firing a shot by taking control of the vote.
And by asking questions. I'm also convinced that our President is not a legal citizen to hold The office of the President of the United States.His college and school records are locked up from the public and he will not show his Birth Certificate. And I'm not talking about a live certificate of birth.

Does anyone see anything wrong with that picture? I do ! I have had to apply for an aviation Job
as well as an enlisted member of the US Military. They performed a full background check on me. I even had to give them a real birth Certificate and a full disclosure of my academic records. Do you believe the public should know who their president is and his back ground ?


bernhart
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Jesus said ” Give to Cesar what is Cesar's and to God what is God's”.
Jesus did NOT start a revolution, remember? Peter wanted a revolution, other disciples wanted it too but Jesus said his kingdom was not of this earth.
It is HIGH TIME that left wing liberals disavow themselves of the notion that Jesus was a Hippie type character, he was NOT.
Jesus said “If I can feed the birds etc , how much more will I do for you”: by this he meant, if you have faith in God, God will provide for you. He did not say he would run a welfare office, he did not say he would take from the rich and give to the poor ( that was Robin Hood); he gave us the freedom and the means, and the skills and the respect for US to make something of ourselves.You need health care, pay for it !! You are ignorant, get an educationl you are helplessly poor, get help from your neighbors. You are rich, then share it, willingly , with your poor neighbors.


Patrick
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:05 am

You are certainly entitled to watch what you choose and believe in it>>>so am I!! I find it amazing that you think a president could be elected and not be a true citizen. You have definitely been brainwashed by the Fox News folks. If you think CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC NBC etc.are not reporting the truth, than why are you so convinced that Fox is? Could it be that you believe what you want to and blindsite the other news? Let's face it, our country is more divided than when Bush was in office. Bush did such a number on America. Remember “I'm a uniter, not a divider”. That was a total farce and Fox built up Bush like he was a king. Fox is to conservatives as MSNBS is to liberals. It is all about ratings. Sure, Fox is getting higher ratings and the reason I watch it occasionally is to see what “the other side” is reporting. I am part of “We The People” and I voted for Obama to take back our country from a terrible president (Bush). If Glenn Beck is shot or injured, he has brought it on to himself. But, on the lighther side>>>he is really funny to watch with his fake crying, the rolling of his eyes, and his absolute craziness. I think his days of drinking have done major damage to his brain. He is a total joke in my opinion and those that follow him are simply haters of the current president.


tmaxpa
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:06 am

Hello patriotusa
I've never thought that any media outlet could ever possibly bring me the unvarnished truth. But Glenn Beck, Fox News, and people like you are ruining my country.

When you say “we the people need to take our country back”, I'm presuming that means that, like me, you are mostly of European background, which is to say you are white. I hate you, and every other stupid backwards fool like you. You're an ignorant racist bigot, and it is a damn shame, in a way, that what you say isn't true and President Obama really isn't planning to lock all you pathetic morons up. You think it is incredible a man could be elected President without a background check? Maybe that's because he wasn't, you goofball. His records aren't even locked up anywhere near as tight as George W. Bush's were.

He was born in Hawaii, he HAS shown his birth certificate.


out of here
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:11 am

The countdown has begun. The end is near. I'm moving to the bahamas. Goodluck!


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:48 am

Yes tmaxpa. Just like Van Jone's records received a back round check!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:51 am

If Jesus were forced to choose between a candidate that wanted to run a welfare office, and a candidate that wanted to drop bombs on innocents, he’d go for the welfare too.

Lessee, Barack and welfare for the down and out…or McCain who ran on the “Bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran” platform (he sang that on the campaign trail, remember? Represent, “christian” Right!). Iran, who’s not only never attacked us, but who’s only war with another nation in recent history was against the horrible, despicable, enemy-of-the-United-States, harborer of terrorists, bloodthirsty evil tyrant Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. They were fighting the good fight against Saddam’s evil regime while we were still selling weapons to both sides (as christianly as possible, of course)!

It is HIGH TIME that right wing “conservatives” disavow themselves of the notion that Jesus was a Bomb ‘Em type character, he was NOT.
He did not say he would attack innocent nations, he did not say he would take from the poor nations and give to the rich (that was Bush and Cheney).

If Jesus were alive again today he might say something like, “If I can feed the birds etc…I’d still think those right-wingers are far too willing to do Satan’s work in my Dad’s name!”


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:53 am

Patrick – Have you checked out O's apointments? Jones is merely one of about 30 marixists he has slipped into our government completely unvetted. Don't call me names now. Try to give a factual logical argument. Go to google and find proof to back up your assertions and uniformed beliefs. That's exactly what Beck did and Jones is now history.


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:02 am

Gee tmaxpa – could you please explain to me how Beck, Fox and the internet in general are ruining the country by providing pure unvarnished facts and information to the public, as in the Van Jones case? I must be stupid. I don't see how not having to depend on the leftist major media any longer for information or facts is a bad thing!


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:03 am

Gee tmaxpa – could you please explain to me how Beck, Fox and the internet in general are ruining the country by providing pure unvarnished facts and information to the public, as in the Van Jones case? I must be stupid. I don't see how not having to depend on the leftist major media any longer for information or facts is a bad thing!


DIVAQUEEN
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Glenn Beck speaks what can be proven…..which one could sumise to be truth….He has been a conduitit for a collective consiousness that influenced the resignation of Van Jones….on to Cass Sunstien and all the rest of these questionable “Czars” POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!!! I will keep showing up to the TEA Parties and calling Congress as my small part WE CAN BE THE CHANGE….WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF WE PRESS ON……..TO LIBERTY AND FREEDOM….GOD BLESS AMERICA


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:06 am

What story will NY Times, L A Times, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC ignore next?

Ha Ha Ha!!!!!! I guess it really doesn’t matter does it?


Patrick
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:09 am

Lee,

Again, where is the name calling?


Patrick
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:46 am

I just read the Wikipedia profile on Van Jones and it appears that the only thing he did was not be a Republican. He said some things which he apologized for. I guess it is ok for Republicans to be sorry and forgiven, but not liberals. Van Jones was involved with some radical groups and organizations, but the TRUTH is that most of them were trying to improve the quality of life for Black people. First of all, I am White and not very impressed with the smear campaign the White Conservative base has done on this man. The bottom line with the Glenn Beck movement is that most of the people involved are most likely racist and can't handle having a Black (mixed) president. I have been watching the Christian Right Wing movement as Obama's presidency moves along and they just can't live with a Non-White president. The Tea Party movement is predominently White (just look at the pics of Tea Party rallys) Conservative Republicans. So, now who will they take down next. If I had started a movement like this during the Bush years, I would have been threatened (which I was just from letter writing to my local paper). I wish you Republicans would just say what you are and stop hiding behind the “Independent” label!


jeninoh
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:46 am

Lee, I hate to break it to you, but Beck is quite literally “banking” on your stupidity.

Oh, and contrary to what Mr. Beck says, DDT is not safe for anyone.


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:33 am

I am jumping between different sites and names are pretty much what the left is substituting for arguments. This is because they have no facts on their side that they can present.


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:38 am

So jeninoh, exactly how am I being stupid?

Let's hear some facts from you instead of name calling.

LIKE BECK DID TO OUT ONE OF “O's” COMMIES!

I am waiting and I'm sure it will be a long wait.


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Patrick, in case you haven't heard, it seems like the LA Times, NY Times, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, wickipedia all have a problem with covering things in an honest and unbiased fashion.


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:55 am

Gee Patrick, a little while ago you were claiming to be a conservative that left the republican party recently. Now you are trashing the right. Which is it? Again, Beck did nothing but play mr. jones own words for the public to judge for themselves. Just were is the smear campaign? How about some facts, not phony emotional appeals please! Got a problem with the public judging for themselves?


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:56 am

Facts facts facts facts facts Patrick! Let's hear them!


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:59 am

Sorry Patrick I miss spoke here. They don't have a problem with covering events honestly and in an unbiased fashion. They just don't cover events that are “icky” for them. Like what led up to this one for instance!


Patrick
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:59 am

Never claimed to be a conservative>>I would rather shoot myself! Never was a Republican. Where did you get that? Where are your facts>


Patrick
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Where are the facts Lee?


tonyinflorida
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:17 am

God stuff, Patty. Wouldn't it be so much easier for you to be able to say “you… Republican!” Wouldn't it be great… Like Yankee fan backing up his guy who did steroids, yelling at Red Sox fan.. or vice versa. Backing up his guy.. just because. Almost as pathetic as a rabid fan dressed up in the team colors, screaming for “his” guy (after the game, the guy drives home in his Porsche and laughs at the clown in the stands – get it, Patty?)…. is the hardcore party supporter who sees nothing but Dem bad, Repub good or vice versa. Don't you get it? They do what they want because they KNOW they can always count on the jersey wearing, face painted Patty's in the stadium. No disrespect, but are you kidding me, man?
Really? It's cool with you that our President (Tom Brady… err.. Barack Obama) selected a guy with this kind of background.. by the way, putting everything else aside for a moment, JONES SAID HE WAS A COMMUNIST and I've seen zero proof that he ever recanted that, just an apology this week due to the pressure. Even if he HAD ever recanted it…. it's got nothing to do with an apology.. the man has a right to his own views in America (which is a really cool element that I'd love to see kept intact)… but you don't put that guy anywhere near the White House if you're the president unless (A) you're stupid and ignorant – highly unlikely or (B) you're cool with it.
Van Jones is forgiven, he doesn't even have to apologize… but guess what, if a “reformed” skinhead, white supremacist was brought to the white house by ANY president, he too should have his ass run out, especially if I'm being asked to simply take his word that he no longer holds those views!!
Bush was horrible and incompetent, and the Repubs have nothing out there to offer if and when they get a shot, which is why it pisses me off to no end to see (R) politicians on tv saying how all the controversy is great because it plays right into their hands… they are saying right to our faces that even though they just crapped on the country for 8 years, their own season ticket holders in the stands will cheer them on just like ol' over there Patty in the opposite end zone. By the way, I watch and equal amount of the talking heads at night to try and get a perspective… Olbermann, Beck, Matthews, Hannity, Maddow, etc. and the ONLY one who I ever see bash the hell out of “their own” side is Beck. He was KILLING Bush all the time when he was in office, and now he's all over Obama. He's the only non-robot All of the other aforementioned show hosts are on every night doing nothing more than defending their Repubs or Dems and attacking the other side, no matter what (Hannity and Olbermann most of all). The reason that it feels like it is a Beck movement is because he is the only one reporting these FACTS that no one is disputing.. just downplaying. No one else was even talking about it. That seems to speak to more of a “movement” to me, no? Patty, my good man… before you get up to grab a pretzel and a beer at half time, please just hear this: Until we all let our politicians know that we're not going to have their back “just because,” and we ARE going to hold them accountable, whether R or D or whatever… we will continue to have George Bush chuckling behind a microphone while people die in a war without justification, Nancy Pelosi pacing around the podium like a nervous school girl, Dick Cheney… well, being Dick Cheney, Charlie Rangel, writer of the tax code failing to report income because “the tax laws are too complex”… and then getting to keep his job (did I really see that?), and we will continue to have men take office and DO socialist things in front of our eyes and tell us nothing could be further from the truth. You didn't see what you just saw… it must be that you're a racist! Yeah,like that stupid, silly, simple plumber idiot that had the nerve to suggest last year that he might possibly one day work hard enough to make $250,000.. ha! what a simpleton redneck hill billy, huh Patty? Doesn't he know that you only get wealthy by getting lucky? ah man.. what a loser that guy was…. and then when Obama told him he thinks we should “spread the wealth around” (yeah, there's like actual video taped footage of it and stuff) people started calling him a Socialist. Man, those Republicans.. just trying to hate on a Democrat.. friggin racists. I tell ya.
Hey Patty, I'll check ya later… gotta get back to my seat.

Tony


Mark
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:44 am

You don't see things like this alongside actual news because it's only the subscribers to the sensational that eat this stuff.


John Galt
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:46 am

The great thing is Glenn Beck is just running Saul Alinsky's play book. Find a target, personalize it, freeze it and destroy it. First it was a easy hanging fruit like Van Jones. Next it will be the money men.

We decided to take the Red Pill. We are gonna see where this rabbit goes. Right back to your Marxist, Statist, Communist beliefs and who cares what you call us! We know what you fools are doing now.


Mark
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:17 am

Yes.

The Fox Corporation is an absolutely credible information source, free of dishonesty and phony emotional appeals.

It is time for all non-Fox media to cease news gathering immediately. News organizations are instructed to loop the daily Fox event meme across their media outlets. Ready. Set. Go.

Special focus is to be applied to the sayings of Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, with supporting roles to Mark Levine, Carl Rove, and Anne Coulter. Remember, faith in the teachings of our Great American Panel is paramount to the repression of undesirable means of thinking. Radical and uninformed “free market” mantras are to be repeated. Appeals to nationalism and the sly use of victimization is in play.

All real Americans will draw our strongly suggested slogans on their signs without thinking about what they actually mean. All real Americans will shout our strongly urged slogans in their town halls without thinking about what they're actually saying. For we, Fox News and the Real America, are an absolutely credible information source, free of dishonesty and phony emotional appeals.


Mark
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:19 am

Who are “you fools”?


Mark
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:21 am

Wait. Glenn Beck is a “conduitit [sic] for a collective consiousness [sic]?”

Holy cow! Now THAT's news.


One_of_Very_Many
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:22 am

We are just starting to see what type of “change” that our President is bringing to our country. Many of us do not like it. I guess I'm switching parties – again. The Dems are nuts – and are way off base.


tonyinflorida
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:36 am

Mark, which piece of the “stuff” are you referring to specifically. Please specify and refute. I'm still waiting to see one viable response to any of the facts presented. Is it that the video of these guys talking was doctored, taken out of context, or is it that you think we should look away and say no big deal? You say people are eating it up as if it's untrue/manufactured. Please elaborate.
Thanks


Mark
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:55 am

The “stuff” is everything outside of the statements and affiliations themselves. The “stuff” is the pandering, the buzz words, the narrow world view in which anything that deviates from a set of paranoid protestant nationalistic principles is to be destroyed.


tonyinflorida
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 8:09 am

Nice words. Very well put together, but once again you speak outside the lines and fail to refute with anything specific or factual. Shocking. Who would have ever seen that coming. Again, please tell me specifically what it was about Van Jones that people are eating up? Is the video tape not proof enough or do you not like that we didn't roll over. Take your time. If your response makes sense, actually addresses the question and can actually refute the stuff, hats off to you. You'll be the first.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

you don’t know me, so please stop putting words in my mouth. You seem to feel comfortable personalizing this discussion when I have not revealed anything more than being a conservative and a christian. You know nothing else.

Where was I hateful? because I feel that abortion is wrong? where do I make any reference to people of the same sex. Unlike you, I don’t wake up in the morning read the talking points and subsume them to my personal ideology. In every issue there are a range of possibilities – you assume conservatives hold them all – as you see them… that reality is going to really surprise you one day.


DIVAQUEEN
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 12:34 pm

Too high of a vibrational level of verbiage for you Mark………sorry …….really …. It is painful to accept fully the simple fact that one begins from where one is, … I see you comment on everyone just a complainer huh?


DIVAQUEEN
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

Nice deflect from facts and call it racist……Its about the government controlling every aspect of our lives The more you depend on Government the less Liberty and Freedom you will have
AWAKEN…..How about empowerment not entitlement…..”Quotas” are RACIST not merit based. Lets not roll back to 1960's and play the whole race bait game….Who cares what race folks are ? How about content of character?…..How about being free enough not to classify folks?


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

Ha Ha! Mark, either your just not getting it or are not going to admit you do! You describe “O”, the main stream media and yourself here exactly! This is comical to watch happen! Agin, no fefuting of the facts from the left! Only ridicule that doesn't work any longer. How sad you and your kind are!


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

We are your destroyers Mark! We are the heroes in the comic books and novels that vanquish the darkness! We are Capt America, Rocky, Thomas Paine, The Unknown soldier, the American citizen. You are the guy that thinks he can fly around the room if Big Brother wants him to. You and your kind are everything dark.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

We are the Fantastic Four, the Justice League, the X-Men, AND the Avengers. You are the guy that dresses up in a bat costume and fights crime at night because he has daddy issues.

Oh, and we are also Chip 'n Dale's Rescue Rangers. I always forget to mention that one, for some reason.


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

Ha Ha!!
You don't appreciate a little levity while you watch your Titanic is sinking eh Steve_X?


Steve_X
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

We are the Teen Titans, the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, the '85 Chicago Bears AND the '92 Dream Team. You're just a guy that played NES Tecmo Bowl once, and by accident (you picked the Rams, and you lost in a buried).


Lee
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.


markjohnson22
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

How exactly are you getting Communist is the left-wing equivalent of White Supremacist? You do realize that, in politics, one has to compromise. So, libertarians often vote with Evangelicals because they both fit under the Republican tent, even if they disagree on, say, government regulation of marriage. So, it's totally possible that Obama could appreciate Van Jones' expertise in the Green Jobs arena without agreeing with him on other issues–Mumia, 9/11, etc. If Obama did agree with him on those, don't you think he would pardon Mumia and investigate the Bush administration? Well, he hasn't. If you understood anything about politics, you'd understand that people working in an administration get angry, just like you and I when the President makes decisions that don't follow what they want. There is no orthodoxy within an administration.


markjohnson22
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

Hmmm. Now John Roberts, if you'll google him, participated in attempts to keep blacks from voting in Arizona back in the 80s. Does that make him a terrible justice today? Some Americans believe in left-wing movements — that's what they have deemed is in their interest. But they are Americans too. Some Americans, such as Roberts, believe(d) it is in their interest to suppress voter turnout in some communities. If you want to put out all the Van Joneses — fine. But the Robertses have to go too. Why not, instead, just say: This is politics as our founders imagined it: It's a debate with many conflicting views and out of that we make policy.


Bevo5702
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Lee – Do you even know what a Marxist is? Would you care to back up your assertion that President Obama has “slipped” 30 marxists into our government? And exactly how did Beck “prove” Jones was a marxist?


edbrubaker
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

patrick: you are a liar. you are not white. your color is stupid.


edbrubaker
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

stay your course, patriotusa.


edbrubaker
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

you're wrong, tmaxpa. man, your rant is quite bigoted. suggest you learn how to recognize fact from propaganda.


Patrick
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

The facts Lee! Where are your facts?


Patrick
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

I am indeed White. Stupid is not a color. What a silly comment Ed. I do honestly feel that Glenn Beck is starting a racist movement. Just look at the coverage of the Tea Parties and show me a few non-White folks.


edbrubaker
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

you are very dense


Van
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

you mean names like “marxist”?


Mbagrad02
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Mr. President, You are known by the company you keep!


helanren
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

There's lots of things Steve Buyer could learn and benefit from in European 'social democracies'. Taking care of its own people for instance.


Patrick
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

Ed,

It is amazing how those that don't like my opinions call me names. Isn't part of living in America having freedom of speech? Why are you so hateful? Please back up your comments to me and show me I am wrong. I am guessing that you are White and can't handle having a Black president. Where are you from? I live in Seattle, Washington. I respect your point of view and wish you would respect mine, instead of silly and stupid comments that are meaningless. Take care and enjoy your racist day!


edbrubaker
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

you are quite dense. game over now. go have your cheerios


constancepipperr
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Go gettem Mr. Beck and stay with it. You have more people listening to you than you may know about. Thier are thousands of us who are talking among oursleves on e-mail and standing behind you than you know. I know of many who have excess to your afternoon show and have jobs. They listen when their working. We fullly endorse the tea party rally in Wasington.
Yes, we are waking up. Keep things going


constancepipperr
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

I couln't have said that better myself. Clean Washington out


swimologist
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

The best comments that led to the quitting and tried to explain it were by Van Jones and Howard Dean. Van Jones was asked why Democrats couldn't get their legislation through, Van Jones replied, “Cause Republicans are assholes.” That is about as rational as 90% of libs get with their arguments; name-calling and insults. Then Howard Dean was asked if Van Jones was “taken out.”
Dean says, “He's a Yale-educated lawyer and bestselling author. Of course he was taken out.”
So in Dean's leftist bubble, if you're Ive League educated and an author, you can't be a crazed nutjob radical. So on top of infantile name-calling you now have clueless. How out of touch these lefties are. And they wonder why Americans are offended.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:20 am

More people need to reject the 2-faction 1-party system, and the uniform endorsement by both factions that voting 3rd party is throwing your vote away. Don’t let 2 lying parties convince you of this just because they both agreed to lie about it.

Don’t let it be the lesser of two evils forever. Be a proud American patriot and “throw your vote away”, voting on good so that eventually the system will have to allow other parties the advantages the dominant parties get. I mean, if they had a box that said, “None of the Above”, or “No Confidence”, I think our election results would more accurately reflect the public’s real opinions. If they both suck, let them become extinct. We’ve had other parties before, and we should want more than 2 to pick from anyhow.

Seriously, what value does a vote have anyway if the choices presented to you by the Apparatus are garbage? “Throw your vote away” like you would garbage if you’re offered only garbage in exchange for it.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:36 am

Would a third party candidate actually stand a chance, if one actually exists that is not self-serving and is truly honest,wouldn’t the electorial votes bump them out? Kerry took Ohio by popular vote, but Bush took the state by electorial vote.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:37 am

And even Buckley was a liar. Look for his interview with Noam Chomsky. You can see him squirming and shifting and his eyes darting all over the place as he makes stuff up on the spot just to try to support his own conclusions and Chomsky keeps calling him out on it. At one point, this Icon of Modern Conservatism is shut down by Chomsky and threatens to “smash [him] in the goddamned face”. Looks like O’Reilly isn’t the only conservative pundit that hides a hell of a temper when the cameras are on.

O’Reilly and others on Fox like to refer to Walter Lippman as one of the founders of the modern conservative movement. Seems fitting. In his 1922 Public Opinion, he states that the masses are ignorant fools with naturally-liberal sensibilities when it comes to matters of state. They wouldn’t support wars and militant operations unless they were absolutely necessary, and therefore they should intentionally be kept even more ignorant of the true reasons behind such actions, and should be lied to with emotional patriotic stories about why we need to defend ourselves and other god-worshipping freedom-loving peoples from this enemy at the gate or other in order to deceiptfully manufacture consent from the public for an otherwise-unacceptable militant imperial agenda. He also states that the elites who know the truth of these matters should bask in the riches of the nation while the ignorant masses toil away for them and get hardly anything more despite how rich and powerful the elites get.

Oh…and saying you want our president and country to fail for purely partisan reasons and actively propagandizing the public to achieve it should be considered treason.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:49 am

Wait?

DDT is not safe for anyone.

That’s a fact, and it’s right there already.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:56 am

Not having to depend on a leftist major media any longer for information or facts would indeed not be a bad thing.

But seeing all fair and balanced media outlets as leftist, while seeing ultra-right-wing extremists (who would intentionally cause their own president, and therefore their nation, to fail for purely political reasons) as fair and balanced is a very bad and very dangerous thing.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:48 am

3rd parties stand no chance right now because they are excluded from the debate entirely until they can overcome the system-wide resistance to outside parties and get enough people to “throw their votes away” and get them into the conversation.

By jointly declaring the terms of presidential debates and media coverage of them, the 2-party system has limited the discussion to only their voices.

It’s a slow process, not an overnight change, but people should be willing to keep trying even in the face of overwhelming systematic opposition. As you said, though, the 2 parties aren’t offering much to vote for, so pick someone else that is.


FanC
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:10 am

Please have someone help you edit your comments next time. I wonder if you are a product of public education. I am sorry if I have offended you, but for heaven's sake, check your spelling and grammar.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:14 am

Please explain your justification as Christ as a leftist?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:32 am

For the mamograms, there’s Medicare and Medicaid. Ever hear of those? Those are “free,” but nothing’s really free. Ever hear of community health clinics? They are in almost every community and accept people on a needs basis with ability to pay being the primary driver of charges if any at all. Read the reports RPIL. 85% were either reported to be satisfied or very satisfied with their health care–as surveyed by Gallup and CNN. Last I checked, these weren’t some right-wing orgs. Again, stop using the libeal 45 – 49 million uninsured and be HONEST! Of those 45 million commonly reported, here’s the approximate breakdown: Of the 45 million uninsured (US News), 18 million (CBO) make more than $50k and CHOOSE not to be insured, lowering the number to 27 million. Of the 27 million remaining, 11 million are illegal (CBO) leaving 19 million. Of the 19 million, it’s estimated that almost 10 million of these are either healthy young adults who CHOOSE not to have insurance or are kids whose parents have failed to enroll them in Medicare. That leaves 9 – 10 million legitimately uninsured. So, again, your numbers and facts are just WRONG and the Administration knows it. It’s just deceit to justify another failed government program. Remember, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are all bankrupt and failing! Your solution (and that of millions of other leftists) is to just spend more and add more people to save money. It’s bound to work sometime…only it doesn’t. Failure is not a solution and the government will not and can’t deliver a solution to this.


americawillsurviveglennbeck
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 2:08 am

Glen Beck will not prevail. People of his ilk come and go. Enjoy his lunacy while you can. History teaches that sick individuals like him crash and burn on their own accord.


Lee
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 2:18 am

Where is his lunacy? He showed videos of the commie radical making speeches. No one tried to twist or pervert anything jones said. His views were simply made widely available to the public and America does not like them!
“O” has surrounded himself with the like minded. He said during the campaign while denying his reverand and his friend aires, to judge him by those he surrounds himself with. Now, as the beliefs of those people he has surrounded himself with start becoming widely known, he will deny them and run from that statement! This case is closed, on to the next!


Smithers
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:44 am

LOL. I think this proves the point. Though I had “excess” to good education that doesn't make me a jerk. But when-oh-when can people in this country start saying with a sturdy voice that being smart makes you a better person to be in charge of critical decisions. Being strong and fast makes you a more qualified athlete and being able to understand complicated issues and articulate thought-out views makes you a a more qualified policy maker.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:50 am

Yeah, keep running toward that cliff, lemmings. Stay the course, these colors don't run, etc…


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:59 am

Not having to depend on a leftist major media any longer for information or facts would indeed not be a bad thing.

But seeing all fair and balanced media outlets as leftist, while seeing ultra-right-wing extremists (who would intentionally cause their own president, and therefore their nation, to fail for purely political reasons) as fair and balanced is a very bad and very dangerous thing.


Kathy
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:01 am

THANK GOD for Glen Beck! He's doing a great service to Americans in just showing the FACTS….and letting us judge for ourselves. Geez, every day I read the local daily fishwrapper to find ANYthing newsworthy like you'll hear on FOX…..nothing. Silence. Can't wait for tomorrow's paper where, if there's any comment about Van Jones' resignation, guaranteed it'll be buried in a small obscure corner. I'm so encouraged about the American public, us gun-toting-clinging-to-religion-astro-turfers!!! haha Look at Glen's ratings…American LOVES Glen Beck and we're angered that the newspapers won't give us unbiased information…..they're the ones headin' for a crash and burn!


kathyf
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:01 am

THANK GOD for Glen Beck! He's doing a great service to Americans in just showing the FACTS….and letting us judge for ourselves. Geez, every day I read the local daily fishwrapper to find ANYthing newsworthy like you'll hear on FOX…..nothing. Silence. Can't wait for tomorrow's paper where, if there's any comment about Van Jones' resignation, guaranteed it'll be buried in a small obscure corner. I'm so encouraged about the American public, us gun-toting-clinging-to-religion-astro-turfers!!! haha Look at Glen's ratings…American LOVES Glen Beck and we're angered that the newspapers won't give us unbiased information…..they're the ones headin' for a crash and burn!


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:15 am

Lee, with a smile on his face, is on the same boat as you…somehow hateful enough to hope its sinking just to spite you, and somehow dumb enough to let the thought make him feel smart.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:22 am

Just PLEASE don't switch to Republican!

There are more than 2 choices, and a vote for a lesser of 2 evils is not a vote for good!


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:35 am

Republicans ARE assholes for blocking that legislation.

At least he didn't do as Dick Cheney did, and profane his political opponents with a “Fuck yourself” on the actual floor of the Senate.

Right-wingers were too out of touch to be offended by that. And they're too oblivious to wonder why Americans were offended.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:38 am

I don't know, willsurvive, Rush is still on the air. How long do we have to wait, and how many drugs and hookers do one of these “moral majority” types have to do, before they disappear?


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:40 am

He's showing you a few facts. It's the ones he won't show you and you obviously aren't aware of that are far more pertinent to who you should thank for Glenn Beck.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:40 am

He's showing you a few facts. It's the ones he won't show you and you obviously aren't aware of that are far more pertinent to who you should thank for Glenn Beck.


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:34 am

RPIL : For the mamograms, there's Medicare and Medicaid. Ever hear of those? Those are “free,” but nothing's really free. Ever hear of community health clinics? They are in almost every community and accept people on an ability to pay basis. Read the reports RPIL. 85% were either reported to be satisfied or very satisfied with their health care–as surveyed by Gallup and CNN. Last I checked, these weren't some right-wing orgs. Again, stop using the liberal 45 – 49 million uninsured and be HONEST! Of those 45 million commonly reported, here's the approximate breakdown: Of the 45 million uninsured (US News), 18 million (CBO) make more than $50k and CHOOSE not to be insured, lowering the number to 27 million. Of the 27 million remaining, 11 million are illegal (CBO) leaving 19 million. Of the 19 million, it's estimated that almost 10 million of these are either healthy young adults who CHOOSE not to have insurance or are kids whose parents have failed to enroll them in Medicare. That leaves 9 – 10 million legitimately uninsured. So, again, your numbers and facts are just WRONG and the Administration knows it. It's just deceit to justify another failed government program. Remember, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are all bankrupt and failing! Your solution (and that of millions of other leftists) is to just spend more and add more people to save money. It's bound to work sometime…only it doesn't. Failure is not a solution and the government will not and can't deliver a solution to this.


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:55 am

Want to know more about healthcare…take a look at this funny, but apropos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4r6YCUtxfs&e


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

the truth kinda bothers you, huh?


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Lee
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

So enlighten us knowledgeable one! What are these “facts” only you seem to be aware of??!!!


Lee
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

He's showing you a few facts. It's the ones he won't show you and you obviously aren't aware of that are far more pertinent to who you should thank for Glenn Beck.


Lee
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

So enlighten us knowledgeable one! What are these “facts” only you seem to be aware of??!!!


Lee
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

Ya, don't address the substance of the writer, if they don't agree ridicule! You really read old Olinsky huh!


Lee
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 1:24 pm

I see nothing from you but opinion and your opinion isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. I'm sure the vast majority of clear thinkers on this site will agree with me.


rnews
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

excellent points, Smithers.


rnews
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

Washington was cleaned out after the last election. Just because your side wasn't the winning one doesn't mean the people in Washington now are bad.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

That's the problem with a lot of conservatives…they want the president to fail, without realizing that if he fails then we all do. That's exactly why I never wanted Bush to fail despite never having voted for him. I was smart enough to know that if he failed, the country was doomed and we'd be a lot worse off because of it. Too many republicans today would rather be right than be rational and it really is a damn shame.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

Sorry i did not get back to you ,long weekend.  I got access to Obama’s speech but not the one today but the one they scratched. But that is old news. As you know Van Jones resigned this weekend, but what is disturbing only Fox news reported it why not the other news outlets that is the disturbing part. Any way how did the first day of school go for you??  I am a independent voter so i vote for the person only after i check there backgrounb, I do not like the way our country is heading, but that is my opinion. Would love to have your opinion on this matter ,i did this to a few other people just to see there opinion some are rather radical but some have a diff agenda. Any way i like to debate it exspands the brain thought. My deaughter is a democrate so you see we have a diff view altogether but that is fun.  Have a nice day.

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ssol4569
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

You're wrong. Get used to Glenn Beck, he is only exposing the truth behind the lies.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

Personally, I think that Glenn Beck wants to stay in this thing long enough to become the new don of the GOP. I'm pretty sure than when Beck sees conservative politicians profusely apologizing to Jabba the Rush whenever they offend him, Beck wishes that he was the one that elected Republicans apologize to.

Beck may be waiting for a while though. Like Ric Flair always said: “To be the man, you gotta beat the man. Even if that man is a blaoted, pill-popping hypocrite.” (okay, I made that last part up).


rpil
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

9 to 10 million “legitimately” uninsured…. Another 10 million that choose not to have insurance or are kids. Nice to know those are not “legitimate”. Perhaps if they were legitimate, that would total 19 million americans. Then there are the “not legitimate” 18 million making more than 50K. I am absolutely in agreement with you that they enjoy the fact that having a health problem would devastate them financially. I am certain just like you that they could easily afford great healthcare but they just feel a whole lot better not having insurance and blowing the money on vacations. It could not be the cost of healthcare or insurance. That would never be an issue. They just choose not to have it. They don't have a “legitimate” issue. And then there is the 11 million illegal americans. I'm not sure how you get to be an illegal american without health insurance because prisons provide a government run plan. Perhaps you think these health reforms include massive aid to illegal aliens? They don't. I guess when someone explains to me what an “illegal american” is that doesn't have insurance, I will be better educated. I look to you for that. There might be another explanation, of course. It could be that you are spouting bullsh@t numbers. That could never be it, though. Your a conservative and only you have the intelligence to understand this subject.
It is a shame that the United States government is so inept and worthless that it could never run a useful military, pension program, or healthcare program. Our government is so pathetic that we should just give up trying to have any kind of programs for America. You have enlightened me.
FYI – Medicare and Medicaid are only for the elderly……


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

RPIL, you are uninformed and, apparently don't understand how our country is intended to work. First, most of the numbers come from CBO. In case you don't understand what that is. It's the Congressional Budget Office. Look it up. Sorry for using confusing acronyms. Last I checked, Congress and the CBO were solidly in the D camp and therefore unlikely to intentionally produce facts (I know those pesky things get in the way of your delusions) beneficial to the R side. So, you find better numbers. Also, typical of many liberals, you intentionally took my statement out or context to make a point. The 10 million healthy young adults and kids whose parents have free access, but fail to provide it via simple registration. Unless we have already moved into a socialized system (or country), I believe we have a choice so those who choose not to have it should be allowed. Of course, as is often typical of liberals again, they don't believe in choice except in limited areas. So, are you suggesting that the healthy young Americans and more wealthy who choose to self-insure or not insure should be forced, against their will, to pay for and take insurance. That's exactly how it sounds.

The 11 million are called illegal aliens. In case you don't understand, that means people who entered our country by illegal means. In other words, they didn't migrate here legally and become a citizen. Also, so you are clear on your own argument, I said nothing about the 11 million being covered in some imagined social system. I said they are here illegally (meaning they didn't enter the USA by legal means and aren't citizens) are included in the CBO (that's the Congressional Budget Office in case you forgot) as uninsured, as they should be.

Finally, you again show your lack of understanding in saying Medicaid is for the elderly. Please visit this site (http://www.cms.hhs.gov/MedicaidEligibility/01_O…). Yes, it's the official government Medicaid site that explains Medicaid is for people who otherwise can't afford insurance. It's NOT age qualified or only for the young. Stop listening to the partisan, liberal, left-wing, anti-choice line for a few minutes and learn about the system.

I have worked in the medical field with FDA, CDC, TUV hospitals, the VA and medical device manufacturers for 18 years. I believe that provides a reasonable basis for understanding the system. By the way, you have your last point almost correct. The government runs an excellent military and poorly runs a pension program and healthcare program. Don't you agree? Both D and R (conservatives and liberals) alike have been in agreement that Social Security is rapidly headed for bankruptcy and can't meet it's obligations. Same for Medicare, Medicaid and the VA. So, if we've all been investing in these four systems since we began work and all four of these massive programs are bankrupt and inefficient, why do you suggest they are effective? Don't you understand economics and how effectiveness and efficiency are measured? If you do, then you'll begin to understand why the government doesn't and can't have the proper incentives to operate such systems. I also include the USPS in this (they lost $7 billion recently in spite of increased taxpayer support and stamp prices increasing far faster than healthcare prices). So, how is it that these five major systems are failing, BUT an even more massive healthcare program is going to work perfectly, because it'd have to be almost perfect to do better than today's system that creates an 85% satisfaction rate.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:49 am

The truth that many of my countrymen are no more prepared for intellectual self-defense than lemmings does bother me. It disturbs me very deeply.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:59 am

“intellectual self defense” ???????? what are you smoking???


otisspofford
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:19 am

for jones to have said that he did not read [and for everyone to have believed, like Brokaw, Olbermann, Couric, the WaPo, NYT, Atlanta Journal, and their friends] the petition he signed about the feds and 9/11 and then to offer congrats to the bad guys on 9/12 and then to claim that he did not know what he was doing is about as useful as rep conyers telling us that he has not read any of the bills designed to spend billions and trillions: either he is a liar or a clown.

appropriate to quote one of Oscar Wilde's many bon mots:

LORD DARLINGTON. What cynics you fellows are!
CECIL GRAHAM. What is a cynic? [Sitting on the back of the sofa.]
LORD DARLINGTON. A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
CECIL GRAHAM. And a sentimentalist, my dear Darlington, is a man who sees an absurd value in everything, and doesn't know the market price of any single thing. [Lady Windermere's Fan, Act 3]

we have folk in the administration and congress who have been around long enough to know something but apparently know nothing about either value or cost. witnesseth the former republican majority and the current democratic majority—led by those who need someone to write IEPs for them [i.e., required by the department of education for children who have significant enough learning or behavioral disabilities that they qualify under various aid programs]


shawn1971
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 12:46 am

Medicaid is not only for the elderly. I can show you 10 kids that my wife teaches that are on it. I am an independent meaning fiscal conservative and social liberal. Any understanding of basic economics will tell you that the government will not be able to sustain health care plus everything else. Pretty soon the baby boomers will be drawing social security. With more people drawing from than paying in it will not survive. It is the same thing as the Madoff ponzi scheme. Social security is exactly the same as a ponzi scheme if you read the definition. As an honorably discharged vet, I can say that government run health care is ineffecient at best. If you look at it from a simple numbers game it is not possible without destroying the middle class. Taxing the rich is not the answer either. Then, the government is playing Robin Hood. There is a movement for fair tax which will get more money from the rich based on their spending. With the looming issues for the government run programs this may be the only lifeline left. The other option will have some of our richest and most highly taxed change their citizenship to foreign countries with lesser tax rates. Then we will get no income tax from them at all. Don't get pulled in by rhetoric from either side. Look at the numbers. Numbers don't know emotion, and they don't lie. It will not be until people realize that the country must come before a party that we will be able to move forward.


rpil
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:09 am

Thanks shawn1971. I appreciate your post and it is a very intelligent one. The fact that I agree with you may make me biased when I say that. It is obvious that the current government run healthcare programs cannot be sustained. It wasn't meant to be a Ponzi scheme but the birthrates have made it so.
I am hoping we can learn from some of the other healthcare systems in the world that seem to provide healthcare that their population is happy with at only 66% of the cost. That way it can “last a little longer”. I have my doubts, however, and the fact that so many toss around falsehoods is a big impediment toward getting anything done.
I do appreciate your reply.


Linda Voss
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:16 am

What is real power? The ability to change your environment according to your will? The ability to inspire others to be better just by your presence? Does the ability to effect change make you powerful regardless of what the change is you create? If you are able to cause the destruction of a symbol of America's financial power and thousands of people who served there, does that make you powerful? If you are able to order the deaths of millions of people does that make you powerful? Or if you are able, because you passed this way, to influence others to turn their lives around? Or if you are able to presence the concept of a dream that all people can live up to their promise and have that dream change laws and lives?

What is the real power? Which of those is what enables us as a civilization to make it all work, to continue to invent new technologies, live together, feed people, nurture new life, continue the species, to not just exist but prosper, to not just subsist but to be joyful, to love and cherish and expand the possibilities of living? What is real power? What is that invisible power that makes communities work?


swimologist
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:43 am

How do Republicans “block” legislation when Dems are in the majority and can pass anything they want any time they want? Dick Cheney was making a personal comment to one person, not tarring an entire group with just another inane, unsubstantiated comment. When you don't have facts, you call names. Figure it out


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:58 am

I was in the same place. I'd argue against each thing he wanted to do, but once we were committed to them, I'd hope and pray that he actually had the plans he had everyone convinced he had.

Unfortunately, he failed and we are a lot worse off because of it.

Being all part of the same boat, though, I really did hope he had plans to clean up the messes he made. Think it's safe to say that if he'd had those plans, he'd have revealed them by now. He just didn't.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Just want to clarify a bit for any Fox news fans reading along:

Steve made up the part about Ric Flair SAYING the stuff about Rush Limbaugh being a bloated, pill-popping hypocrite. He did not make up Rush Limbaugh BEING a bloated, pill-popping hypocrite. We've only Rush himself to thank for that.

HA! (good one, Steve!)


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:20 am

And we've seen nothing from you but Glenn Beck's opinion. At least I have my own, parrot.

The vast majority of clear thinkers on this site have to agree with me if they've read your posts, as you've brought nothing to the discussion yet: claiming other posters haven't been providing facts, while all you've done is refer people to Beck for your facts and opinion.

You should get your small brain to shut your big mouth now and stop making the people on your side that actually have thoughts of their own look dumb by association with your idea-less, bucket-of-warm-spit “mind”.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:41 am

And how is my comment (associating Rush with drugs and hookers and simultaneously hypocritically claiming to be part of the “moral majority”) in any way opinion?

I thought the whole point of this Van Jones hype is that it's perfectly acceptable to associate people with their statements and actions in the past?


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:53 am

Thankfully, Lee, I'm not the only one who's aware of them, as the fact that you sheep lost the election would attest.

For a specific example regarding the founders of modern conservatism and their contempt for the intellect of the masses (they think they can distract you with unimportant facts while hiding important ones from you; I'm not convinced they're wrong…just evil), go re-read my post about Walter Lippman's 1922 Public Opinion. I say “re-read” because you've elsewhere insinuated that you've read all my posts and seen nothing but opinion.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:54 am

Thankfully, Lee, I'm not the only one who's aware of them, as the fact that you sheep lost the election would attest.

For a specific example regarding the founders of modern conservatism and their contempt for the intellect of the masses (they think they can distract you with unimportant facts while hiding important ones from you; I'm not convinced they're wrong…just evil), go re-read my post about Walter Lippman's 1922 Public Opinion. I say “re-read” because you've elsewhere insinuated that you've read all my posts and seen nothing but opinion


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:01 am

So you're saying we should scrap health care reform, and should cancel Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security because they're bankrupt and failing.

I've an idea: How 'bout we fund 'em instead? Then they wouldn't be bankrupt and failing!

Or are you for killing off all of our elderly citizens dependent on Medicare?


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:10 am

Personally, I think that when the rich have gone too far, rigging the entire financial system to reward the already-rich, and giving themselves (the ones that actually even have “jobs” where they “earn” their wealth) raises and bonuses that no one could possibly deserve, someone SHOULD play Robin Hood and take some of what they're not worth to begin with to force them to pay for health care for all of the people doing the actual work for them. They could afford to do so in an open-market kind of way (all other “western” civilizations have some form of universal health care), but they don't…so screw 'em.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:15 am

The same way Democrats were “blocking” W's tax-cuts-for-the-rich legislation until the Republicans used Reconciliation rules to push it through anyway.

Here's hoping this situation gets solved the same way.


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:17 am

Check your pay stub. I have been funding them since 1981. Are you not paying your fair share? It has been funded. Unfortunately it's a Ponzi scheme. Those usually break… Eventually.


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 8:23 am

You should consider moving to a more socialized or communist oriented country. Our Constitution prohibits what you seek. Venezuela's doesn't. Nor does Sweeden's. Our Constitution prevents such theft.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Yes, intellectual self defense. Is that too advanced an idea for you?

It means knowing when you are being lied to, or when you’re being manipulated by someone who shows you only part of a story and insinuates that they’re showing you the whole picture.

It means knowing when you should ask questions and not just march blindly towards whatever war the elite steer you towards while repeating thought-squashing mantras like Stay the Course.

Why would you have to be smoking something to encourage independent thought? What are you lemmings smoking that enables you to shut your minds down and do what you’re told so well?


Lee
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

I doubt that zen works for a living at a real job. He most likely works for the government inciting useful idiots for “o”.


Lee
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

I asked for facts zen. Not more opinion. Your's or anyone else's.

Here are facts:

Social Security— going bankrupt
Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac —- caused the economic disaster we have today (thanks Barney Frank!)— going bankrupt
Medicare ——— going bankrupt
Medical ——– going bankrupt
Amtrak ——- going bankrupt
Post office ——- going bankrupt
Public schools —– still in decline and bankrupt in every way

And clowns like you want put the government in charge of my health care!
Let's see them repair the disasters they created and then we'll talk about it!
Facts zen, facts! Not distractions!


Patrick
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Lee,

Please show the facts that back up your posting. Anyone can say the things you say, but since you are so driven by facts>>>show the “actual” facts about all of the above. And, while you are at it, keep calling people names who don't agree with you. What proof do you have about the above programs going bankrupt? Details Lee!


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Amen, Patrick.

And Lee, here's a fact for you: all of our domestic programs are “bankrupt” (your words) because our politicians refuse to give them funding. Meanwhile, we spend ridiculous amounts of money on “defense” that neither defends us nor pays for itself. We could cut the air defense spending that didn't even stop an attack on the fricking Pentagon (for god's sake!) 51 minutes after we knew we were under attack and under Darth Cheney's direct command, and that money could fund some of the shortfall these programs need. That's basically what just happened, too, with the cancellation of a fighter jet program that we don't “need” by any stretch of the imagination. Of course, Republicans fought against the cancellation, but in the end, people are starting to see that we're ridiculously out of control on spending that doesn't make our nation any better, and we need to find ways to fund programs that do.

What's your idea, anyway? That list in your post: what do you want to do about it? Should we cancel Social Security, Medicare, Amtrak, Post office, and public schools? What a country we'd have under your rule! Cancel the entire public school system 'cause it costs too much money! Yea, we're really moving in the right direction then, huh? We need a massive re-direction of priorities in this country. We CAN'T possibly fund policing the entire rest of the world and still have anything left at home worth defending. Time to get real and start spending money on making our nation better. For example, if we actually defended our borders, and inspected our imports, we could stop keeping our military in scores of other countries and let them worry about their own problems. We claim to be there to defend ourselves here, and yet we could just defend ourselves here for far less money and manpower. That's not the real reason that we're there, though, and that's what needs to be realized and rejected. Why shouldn't the greatest nation on earth be able to afford to educate its children? That's just stupid.

And, by the way, NO ONE (you're obviously not paying much attention) wants to put the government in charge of your health care! Under every plan proposed, you're free to keep what you have now. Stop playing so loosely with the truth of the matter, person who claims to be all about facts and against distractions!


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

Our Constitution allots for the People to defend whatever rights they decide they have. We thought seniors have a right to not be refused by Insurance companies, so we started Medicare. Now they're refusing everyone else they can, so we'll start something else. Guess you'll have to move to one of the other “western” civilizations that don't have a universal health care system…oh, wait: there isn't one! Only the greatest nation in the history of the world has decided to leave a bunch of its people unable to afford health care! We're #1! We're #1!

But don't worry, AKA, if you folks win the 2012 election, I will seriously consider moving to Canada and helping fund poor people's health care there with my tax dollars instead of the fascist imperial crap my dollars are used for here when you tools are in charge.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Funny. I was thinking similarly about you, Lee. For someone with no worthwhile opinions of their own, you sure do bother posting a lot.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

You've been funding a Marxist ponzi scheme?! You should stand up for what you believe in and stop doing that!


Patrick
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

War does not solve anything. It is just a way for “boys to play with their toys”. I respect our military people (most of them), but my country is training hundreds of thousands of men & women to have a “kill” mentality. Lee, if you are so much wanting to stop health care, then you must also be against paying for the care of the thousands of those injured by your guy Bush during the Iraq war. Many of our soldiers have mental disorders and we don't have the money to take care of them. There are injuries that are not evident. So Lee, pony up some funds to help out the military people who fought for your “freedom”.


rpil
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

I've worked in the medical field for 13 years and it doesn't make me an expert in “understanding the field”. Only a dope would believe working in the healthcare market would give him expertise with the current healthcare proposals. I also understand that Medicaid is not age specific. This argument is very disingenuous since it implies that many who do not have insurance can get it.
I'm not going to argue with you anymore since you are clearly oblivious to anything other than what you want to believe. The President and your Congress are telling you illegal aliens are not covered but, of course they are liars. You know the truth because you read it on the internet. If you see CBO numbers quoted by somebody, they absolutely must be true. It is clear you have spent a lot of time convincing yourself of your genius and pulled the data you want to believe. There is no use spending any more time on you. Have at it. Call me stupid and a marxist. I won't reply so enjoy a nice long “last word” rant because you get the finale. I'm not wasting my time with any more replys. You win.


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Check me on this ZENPHOENIX42, but if I did that, wouldn't I be sent to prison ;)? I have no choice but to keep funding broken systems. It would be great to start over with a whole new slate of politicians. I'll give up all the present R and D ones for new ones motivated less by self interest and more by Constitutional guidance.


Lee
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

Zen, if you deny just about every government run program, SS, FM, medicare etc. are not going belly up, something anyone with a sound mind knows to be true, you are either delusional or at the end of your rope in trying to con the public. Case closed, go home!


Lee
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

Zen, how about requiring the government to fix the things they have already broken and prove they can be competent before allowing them to destroy more of what works at least to some degree!
Or, I guess we could just let them tax and spend us into the poor house and have the entire economy collapse as you seem to be recommending.


Lee
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Zen, once the governments foot is in the door they will run private insurance out of business. Once a business can off load their insurance costs to the government, do think they will keep paying for it? I have nothing against regulating insurance companies to keep them honest and doing the job the are supposed to and that we pay them for. Why don't we just work on that instead of trying to socialize the whole thing? Let's be honest, are you a Van Jones that wants to remake America and end capitalism?


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

zenphoenix42, why not consider Canada now? They have a government much more aligned with your views. So do France and China. Why dismantle the most exceptional and productive governmental system (Constitution) in history when there are so many other choices that already have your Utopian ideals? Also, your interpretation of the Constitution is not correct. We don't “decide” we have rights. Our founders recognized rights as “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” They correctly recognized that rights are not created, but endowed and limited. Ease up a little buddy.


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

RPIL, ease up a little buddy. You said in your post yesterday that Medicaid was only for the elderly. I was only attempting to correct that mis-information. Working in the healthcare field for 13 or 15 or 20 years should provide significantly more insight into the system that those not in the field have. As for the proposal, I agree with you. Anyone can read it and become versed in what it says. Again you are too emotional and not factual…I never said or claimed anything specific to the currently proposed bill or who it covers (Illegal aliens). You have brought this up as a straw argument twice now. My CBO numbers come from the CBO and PDFs on the site, so you are again incorrect on your assumptions. Thanks for conceding. It's nice to see the facts prevail.


Patrick
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Where are your “facts” Lee. Aren't you the one that keeps harping on the facts. Show them buddy!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:11 am

game over, chumpy. take your phony stuff elsewhere


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

PATRICK, do you really believe war never solved anything? If not, what was the solution to the issues that faced the world leading up to WW1 and WW2. War absolutely solved these crises. Didn't it? Also, you ask LEE for the facts on the government programs. Do we really need the actual numbers to prove that the programs mentioned are bankrupt or very nearly so. If so, they are easy to find.

ZENPHOENIX, you say the government needs to fund the social programs. IT DOES. Do you not get it? The Federal Government spends more than half of all it's spending on just three social programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid). That's about $1.5 trillon of $2.9 trillion. Add in DOE, HUD, VA and Labor for another few hundred million and more than 65% of spending goes towards social services. We are talking a sum approaching $2 trillion. How can you possibly insist that the government doesn't fund these programs! Also, do you happen to know what percentage of our spending goes to defense. It's not as large as you seem to imply. Are you advocating we cut out all national defense (I don't think you are). What's a reasonable spend for defense?


Patrick
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 12:04 am

The only reason I keep asking Lee for facts is because he harps on me and a few others to back up our statements/opinions with facts, yet never provides any on his postings!

Regarding war, I do agree with you that some of those wars were necessary. I should not have been so general. My reference was mostly to the illegal Iraq war that Bush lied us into and basically created our financial problems in our country. None of the money spent on that war was in the budget and he and his cronies hired their pals who made ridiculous amounts of money off of the backs of dead US soldiers. There are way too many wars that don't need to happen, where a little bit of diplomacy could have gone a long way. But, the war machines love to produce weapons that we don't need and it is an industry that has massive profits which we the taxpayers end up covering. Bush and Company wanted to finish a war his daddy did not complete and if you think about it, 2 oil men as President & VP only make it an opening for their oil buddies to profit off of the American public as well.

Anyway, these blogs are kind of fun to participate in. It is eye opening to see how divide our country really is and what bad losers the Conservative Republicans are. I put up with Bush for 8 years, but never wanted him to “fail”. If the president fails, the country fails! So, those that did not vote don't have a say in anything in my opinion. If they are bitching about things, shut up and vote! Those that voted brought in a new president and won! I gave Bush a chance to see what he was going to accomplish and I wish you poor losers will give Obama a chance. He did come into office with the country in the worst shape since the Depression and has only been in office for 8 months.


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Thanks for the response Patrick both sides need to turn it down a bit. Bush was no warmonger and almost the entire Congress supportednthe war. So did the majority of the country, Democrats included along with 62 other countries. Bush made mistakes and certainly overspent on social programs hugely. The mortgage crisis left us a terrible financial problem and Obama has only made it worse with enormus and unprecedented spending. If we can all breathe a minute and remember what makes our country so special and rally around those things (freedom, liberty and justice) then we may begin to move forward again. I didn't want Bush and don't want Obama to fail, but both supported programs that we should hope fail in the legislation phase or they will fail in a more massive way or curtail liberties and freedom.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:06 am

I agree with you on the war issue. After 9/11, I think we all realized that going into Afghanistan was something that we had to do. However, I never wanted Bush to fail, and that's the problem with the conservatives these days.

Bush was a horrible president; I knew he would be a disaster when I saw him at those debates with Gore back in 2000, and once I found out that he was silver-spoon frat boy that never grew up and who never would have gotten anywhere without his family name, I figured the country was pretty much screwed once he took office. No matter what, though I never wanted him to fail, because if the president fails then we all fail. Looking back at where we were in January 2001 compared to where we were in January 2009, I'd say that Bush didn't need anyone's help at failing; he was a miserable failure all by himself.

It's just too bad that Bush wasn't as smart as his father was. Bush 41 knew that going into Iraq would likely be a nightmare, and he was right. It's actually kind of fun watching the GOP pretend that they didn't spend the past eight years shitting the bed when the entire country knows better.


Patrick
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:07 am

I don't agree with you about Bush. He was a total warmonger! The only reason the Iraq war was supported was because the true facts were cooked and faulty. If Bush had presented the facts as the way they really were, the war would not have occured. It was based on lies. His speech to move the war forward was believable and he did a great acting job. But, he and his cronies falsified the facts. I think Bush is solely responsible for the reason our country is so divided now.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:23 am

What game? What phony stuff?

Do you believe in having conversations or just posting nonsense that means nothing to anyone but you?

Game over? What, you mean because the Dems are about to cram health care legislation down your throat even though you fought tooth and nail against it?

Whatever, chump: Stay the course!


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:15 am

Remember, that's not the way our country works. Bush doesn't have the facts. Congress and Bush have equal access to the facts. Even those democrats who were on the Intelligence and Armed services committees voted for the war and had access to the facts. Just a few Democrats with access to the facts who supported the war: Clinton, Clinton, Kerry, Biden, Gore, Kennedy, Albright, Reid, Dean, Rockefeller, Edwards, Bayh, etc. There are more, but you get my point. So many of these people had the same information Bush had and made the same decision. So, are they lying too? The American people and those of 62 other countries agreed. So, is this a massive conspiracy where almost all Democrats and Republicans were lying to us for nefarious purposes? Or, more likely, was it that Saddam had defied 17 sucessive UN Security Resolutions and threatened neighbors and allowed terrorist training. All of those are not in dispute and were the reason for war. I will agree that the world was wrong on the WMDs. So, Steve and Patrick, you can't have it both ways. Bush made the best decision he could given what we knew at the time…and so did the Democrats in congress. Bush wasn't a war monger or they all were. The sort of language Patrick and Steve use isn't constructive or helpful.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:13 am

That’s it, Lee! Call names, don’t present a logical argument or facts!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:13 am

That’s it, Lee! Call names, don’t present a logical argument or facts!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:16 am

It’s Alinsky, you brain-dead parrot.

The fact that you don’t know that, and the fact that none of the “libs” you’re attacking here have ever read any of his work, show what an easily-led dipshit you are. Glenn Beck convinces you that all liberals get their debate tactics from some obscure source, and you eat it up like the Gospel. Get a clue, moron.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:16 am

It’s Alinsky, you brain-dead parrot.

The fact that you don’t know that, and the fact that none of the “libs” you’re attacking here have ever read any of his work, show what an easily-led dipshit you are. Glenn Beck convinces you that all liberals get their debate tactics from some obscure source, and you eat it up like the Gospel. Get a clue, moron.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:22 am

Actually, most people on both sides have no idea who Saul Alinsky is, including you, you fake intellectual repeating a name you hear Beck use. The fact that you’ve referenced him 3 times on this page, when no one here including you has read anythinng by him just shows what a partisan, pundit-parroting idiot you are.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:22 am

Actually, most people on both sides have no idea who Saul Alinsky is, including you, you fake intellectual repeating a name you hear Beck use. The fact that you’ve referenced him 3 times on this page, when no one here including you has read anythinng by him just shows what a partisan, pundit-parroting idiot you are.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:32 am

You mean like how we should've required Bush to fix Afghanistan before letting him carpet-bomb Baghdad, a city full of innocent people who'd never attacked us?

And YOU'RE the one who's recommended allowing MediCare, Social Security, and even our public school system to collapse, not me. I LIKE the fact that SOCIAL Security and MediCare have taken care of my grandmother.

Though I DO hope we're too broke for the next Republican president to sell the public on any more unnecessary wars.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:36 am

I love how those arguing against health care reform can at times insist that we shouldn't allow the government to get involved because they can't run anything, and at other times state the “once the governments foot is in the door they will run private insurance out of business” because they will be so overwhelmingly successful at running health insurance that private businesses won't be able to compete with them.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:40 am

I'm with Patrick on this, Lee: WHERE, exactly, are the facts to support the “going bankrupt” list you posted above?

And I MUST be delusional to some degree: I still see some point in trying to have a rational discussion with you.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 6:58 am

Why is anyone that wants to make this country better nowadays is accused of having “Utopian ideals”? Isn't the history of America a story of constantly attempting to make the world better? When some people were in favor of freeing the slaves, or of giving women a vote, I'll bet there were closed-minded tools of the system saying, “You and your Utopian ideals!”.

And who's talking about DISMANTLING the Constitution?
AMENDMENT IX of the fucking BILL OF RIGHTS reads as follows:
“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”. This means, in specific fucking English, that the listing of certain rights in the Constitution does NOT mean we are limited to those rights and the Constitution shall NOT be used to deny or disparage us any other rights we should choose to retain.

It is YOUR interpretation of the Constitution that is not correct, know-it-all. We DO decide what rights we have. We are NOT limited to those specifically “endowed and limited” by our founders, and your attempt to DENY and DISPARAGE us the right to health care based on your faulty understanding of the Constitution is directly UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

The founders knew that change is inevitable. Even though they lived in an age where doctors made house calls even to people who couldn't pay them, WE DON'T. When Insurance companies started refusing to insure seniors because it wasn't profitable enough for them, we decided that health care was an undeniable right, and we created Medicare to ensure our seniors weren't denied that necessity. Now, the industry has craftily managed to exclude many millions of our non-senior citizens, and we should act to protect those peoples' RIGHT to NECESSARY health care.

And DON'T tell me to ease up, you ignorant tool. Would you listen to me if I told you to Shut the Fuck up?
I'm not your buddy, guy! You chose to start a discussion with me, I'm not forcing you to. I will NOT ease up, so don't talk to me if your frail sensibilities can't handle it.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:54 am

They did NOT have equal access to the facts. Bush and Cheney kept insisting they had top-secret facts that they couldn't share even with Congressional leaders because they couldn't afford a press leak or it would completely undermine National Security.
Furthermore, they had people intentionally manufacture “facts” to support their views. Cheney had blueprints of missile-launching trucks…not unspecific WMDs, but really specific machines…that turned out to have not ever existed. How is it an acceptable, completely understandable “mistake” that he had someone forge blueprints to scare people into going to war?
Beyond that, some Democrats that were resisting the war and the Patriot Act got CIA-grade Anthrax in the mail.
And beyond that, the 62 countries going into the war thing? The world's premier superpower declared, “You're either with us or against us” and THEN the overwhelming majority of those nations decided that they were reluctantly with us because they didn't want to be bombed as enemies of the premier superpower. How many nations are involved in the “coalition of the willing” now? That number is far more representative of the truth, and it's nowhere near 62.
And Saddam allowing terrorist training? Only if you unfairly count the Iraqi military, because Saddam saw groups like Al Qaeda and Hezbollah as ENEMIES and powerful threats to his rule. It was only AFTER we invaded that these groups achieved a foothold in Iraq.
It's real convenient for you to argue that the Bush administration wasn't wrong because the majority of the world agreed with him…but those of us with clearer memories remember W. holding a gun to their head while they signed on. They'd have agreed to just about anything rather than risk being labeled a Terrorist nation in the face of W's War of Terror. Many of them sent token forces of only a handful of soldiers, just to satisfy his media-friendly “coalition of the willing” demands of them!
The language Patrick and Steve are using isn't strongly-condemning enough of the Crimes Against Humanity committed by the previous administration, and it's only because the right wing of this country wants to brush it all under the carpet and forget that Obama's administration is being labeled Hitlerian and Marxist and Socialist…if the media groups that sold us the Iraq war were held accountable for their past lies, people wouldn't be listening to a thing they said anymore.


Lee
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:28 am

I can't believe your for real. What do you do for a living? What ever it is, I'm sure the government could start telling you how to do it, how much to do it for, and then take unlimited tax payer money and start a non profit competitor and put you out of business, Gee zen, why don't we just do this for every profession if you really think it works so well and is the way to go? Is there a name for this? Oh ya, that's called Marxism! ? If someone holds a gun to your head and makes you with draw money from your bank, is he is better qualified to run your finances than you are? Do you really believe this stuff?!
You still haven't addressed that fact that the government runs nothing well.


Lee
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:33 am

I believe you would try to argue that the sun doesn't come up in the morning if you refuse to acknowledge it does. I am moving on. See you 9/12 in DC.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:43 am

And I can't believe you're for real, for the hypocrisy I just pointed out and other reasons. What do you do for a living, Lee? Are you old enough to have joined the work force yet? You're debate style reminds me of debates I had when I was 15.

The government runs a fine military, the government-run V.A. hospital takes care of my father just fine, Social Security and Medicare take care of my grandmother fairly well. Better than NO health care would have, anyways.

Which is what you're arguing for: leave it in the hands of those who have already refused to handle it. We're not arguing about taking a perfectly-functioning industry and putting it in government control. The insurance industry is screwing people and we need to stop it.
Is there a name for what you believe in? Oh, yeah, that's called Dumbfucksism! You are outlandish in your attempts to misconstrue everything people say as Marxism and other scary buzz words.

The government runs nothing well? Why do Senators get health care at Bethesda Naval hospital? Why do any kids go to public schools? Why is the post office still in business, competing with private companies? What fucking country are you living in?

Your comments are sensationalist crap. “Marxism! Socialism! Olinsky! (who you wouldn't even be aware of if you weren't parroting Beck!)”. I've said it before: close your mouth, little kid, so the adults can have a conversation, 'cause all you're doing is making your side look like a bunch of talking-point-repeating, sensationalizing, buzz-word-labeling idiots. “If someone holds a gun to your head…”…what the hell's wrong with you? Can't you come up with any reality-based arguments against health care reform, or has Glenn Beck not provided you with those?


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:19 am

And I believe you would try to argue that the sun does whatever Glenn Beck tells you it does while calling it Marxist, 'cause you don't have an original thought in your idiot head.

9/12 in DC, huh? Exactly where Glenn Beck told you to be that day? Have fun meeting all the other sheep.

I'm sure they'll get a few thousand people (far less than anti-Bush protests they deemed un-newsworthy) and then cover it like it's a huge deal. And, oh yeah, like their tea parties, I'm sure they'll forget to mention to their viewers that they fair-and-balancedly funded and organized it.

When media outlets have to generate protests themselves just so they can continue covering the outrage they generated themselves, are they really media anymore, or just an extension of a political party? What happened to “fair and balanced” journalism meaning covering both sides of existing debates? How can a corporation with the logo “fair and balanced” not only CREATE the opposition, but then only cover it and not the other side?
Like how they bitched for weeks that Obama wasn't answering their questions about health care. Then they refused to televise his town hall speech where he gave them the answers they were demanding, saying it wasn't newsworthy enough (and also that they'd cover it if there were any disruptive outbursts!). The next day, they held their own staged town hall event and covered it like it was more important than the President's.

Have fun sheepin it up with the other bleaters! Nice dodge on providing any facts for your list, by the way. You learn that from Beck? (Course you did! Where else do you get ideas?)

It's just so fitting that you wrap up our conversation with See you at the Fox-funded Fox-organized “protest”! “Baa!”, sheep.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:54 am

And you know what? I really hate getting too personal in debate forums or whatever…

But I just re-read a lot of your posts on here, and all I can say is:

“Wow. What an easily-led, empty-headed, pundit-parroting, Marxist-seeing douchebag. Go back to school.”

“o” I got your number, little kid.


Patrick
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Lee,

Zen is an American just like you who happens to have a different point of view. Why do you expect everyone to march lockstep with you and Mr. Beck? You are so bitter that we have a liberal president (probably also that he is part Black). Be nicer and again, back up your comments with facts, like you keep requesting all of us to do.


Patrick
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Lee,

Zen is an American just like you who happens to have a different point of view. Why do you expect everyone to march lockstep with you and Mr. Beck? You are so bitter that we have a liberal president (probably also that he is part Black). Be nicer and again, back up your comments with facts, like you keep requesting all of us to do.


Lee
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

Thank you for your posts zen. Anyone who has followed them is aware now you are a marxist and that you want government to control their health care. You have denied facts, not answered specific questions and ridiculed when unable to defend your positions. Your friends at acorn are about to start going to jail, “o's” marixst friends are being pulled into the light of day. It must be sad for you. Especially since Mao and Stalin are dead!


Anonymous
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Thank you for your posts Lee. Anyone who has followed them is aware now you are a delusional Beckist who sees Marxists everywhere you look and that you intentionally misinterpret the views of others regarding health care. You have ignored the fact that Amendment IX allows us to see Health Care as a Right if We The People choose to and repeatedly called anyone who wants to exercise this Constitutional American Right a Marxist (Fuck You Too), you have refused to supply facts to back up your “bankrupt” list, and done nothing but ridicule because you’re unable to defend Your (Beck’s) positions. People that I, nor You, would have never heard of at Acorn, if it weren’t for Beck, might be going to jail soon, so what? PRESIDENT OBAMA (that’s his title, you disrespectful petty little un-American bitch) and his friends are going to pass health care reform as they fucking should, and it’s obviously a very upsetting thing for you. Especially since your politicians keep sending more of their corporations’ factories to Mao-ist China and all you can do is try to associate anyone you disagree with with Hitler, Marx, Stalin, and Mao because you mistake their ideas with those of the founding fathers of this nation who gave us the Right to pass health care reform if we so choose to, despite how stupid some of its beneficiaries may be.


AKAUSA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

ZEN, thanks for the response. Not much else to say to your grand and delusional conspiracy theory. It's more far out than those “Birthers” or 911 Truthers. Hope you enjoy the next Moore movie.


Patrick
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

AKAUSA>>>Unfortunately, you must not have a very good memory of the way things went down. All of the Dems you mention above did dupport the war, but the facts presented to them were already cooked! Bush/Cheney did things behind the backs of our Senators & The Congress. Bush made the decision based on what HE wanted to public to believe, knowing that he and his administration falsified and twisted everything to get the support. It is sad that you and the Republicans can't admit errors. There was not equal access to the “correct” facts, only to the “cooked” facts. I hold Bush/Cheney responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and thousands of American military. Also, he is responsible for the injuries of at least 40,000 other American military. Don't get me wrong, Saddam was a terrible person. But had his daddy finished off the 1991 war and taken Saddam down, none of this would have happened. Bush Sr. was a better president (as all of any of our previous or current presidents) but he was a little soft with the completion of his war. Terrorist training in Iraq started AFTER Saddam was taken down. The 62 countries that were our “coalition” did so only to acquiesce our warmongering Bush. If they were really in partnership with us, we would have seem larger forces from them. The brunt of the hard core action was the USA! AKAUSA>>please admit that Bush and the Republicans made huge mistakes during the 8 year regime we endured. Just an added note>>>Bush could have prevented 9/11 if he had more than a pea brain. He and Rice had the memos. Clinton offered to help advise the urgency of them, but Bush declined. So, Bush is also responsible for the deaths on our own soil. He let it happen because he realized he was in way over his head as the leader of the world and needed something to make him look good, like coming to the rescue after a terrorist attack. He is as much a terrorist as those that flew the planes. Have a great day and admit your mistakes.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

I might. Did Fox news tell you what it's gonna be about yet?


shawn1971
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 2:33 am

I love the fact that people throw around the document I swore to defend with my life like it is a dirty dish towel. The beauty of the document is that it does give us the ability to change how we do things to keep our union together. What most liberals are not realizing is that there are other points of view and they deserve just as much respect and consideration as their own. Both of the major parties are destroying themselves, and I personally love it. I don't think any group that puts the views of the “party” above the views of the constituent is what was intended by our founding fathers. I had my issues with the administration before and I have my issues with the administration now. The issue is that the people in Washington need to listen to the people in their respective districts and not “party” leadership and make decisions based on what the people they represent want. I will say that if checks and balances needed czar's, it would have been in the Constitution. Unregulated positions with no accountability to us the taxpayer is clearly bad judgement. We have checks and balances that have worked for over 200 years and don't need 30+ elites to curb how our government functions. We collectively need to work together and tell all of these people in Washington what we want. We can't let them dictate to us what we will do. That is not what our country was founded on. The government at this time is no different than a 3 headed monster functioning collectively as past monarchies and dictatorships have functioned. If the people collectively approve health care, then it passes. If they collectively disapprove, it fails. That is what makes America different. We are supposed to decide what is best for us. Not officials acting in their “party's” best interests.

Lobbying and earmarking should be deemed illegal as well. Either the bill is approved or not based on the current merits. If the bill fails, re-write and try again. There is no lobbying group that works in the best interest of the people. They work for whoever is paying them. People need to start looking at things with common sense and keep emotion out of the equation. On health care, I am sorry. The needs of 40 million do NOT outweigh the needs of the other hundreds of millions. Reform what we have first. EVERYBODY acknowledges that we need to reform what we have. Do that then look at adding people. Do the math here it already takes 2 months to get a physical, so throw another 250 people at your dr and let's see how much longer it takes. We need more doctors first. Simple math. Look at specialists there are 1400 Gastrointestinal specialists in this country. About 400 are added per year. 8000 of them are over the age of 50 and will be retiring soon. So in 10 years we will have 4000 less specialists and how many more millions of people that will need to see them? Take emotion out and do the math. Shouldn't we have enough dr's to see the patients before we just open the flood gates? I don't care how civilized we think we are there are rules of nature that sometimes need to apply. Survival of the fittest is a horrible truth that stands true for every other inhabitant of this planet, so sometimes it has to for us as well.

Our government has never been good at social issues. Look how long it took to abolish slavery even though it was addressed at the Continental Congress. Look at how many Japenese-Americans were imprisoned during WWII. Oh that's right. People don't know much about that fact. Camp Atterbury in Indiana was one of those prisons. Look at the ponzi scheme that is social security. Social programs is not what our government has ever been good at. Defending our rights to succeed or fail by our own success and failure is what it was meant to do. The Constitution was not meant to “spread the wealth”. It was meant to give you the right to earn what you get. Don't be jealous of the success of others. Go out and make your own success. What will happen when there are more people drawing out than putting in? Guess what, we the children of the 70's and 80's will bear most of that burden. Higher social security tax is inevitable.

I just want everyone to do the simple elementary math and show me how any of the current government plans will either work or not work. I know that in the current form, it is impossible, but please educate me on what I am missing.


zenphoenix42
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

“What most liberals are not realizing is that there are other points of view and they deserve just as much respect and consideration as their own”:

Are you implying that I was throwing the Constitution around “like a dirty dish towel”, and that I was being disrespectful of AKAUSA's views, which deserve just as much respect and consideration as mine? Did you read what he was saying towards me?

'Cause I was using my Constitutional Rights that you fought for to defend my Constitutionally-aligned views from a douchebag accusing me of trying to dismantle this country's government in favor of my Utopian Marxist ideals (which is how he sees this Constitutional Right under discussion, apparently). If you saw me being unfoundedly disrespectful and AKAUSA as perfectly respectful of my views, then I would say you should re-examine our conversation.

And why would we build up a surplus of unneeded doctors BEFORE bringing the uncovered into the fold? That's not very realistic, is it? Demand first, then supply, or it just doesn't work.

And to your point that our government has never been good at social issues: that's because it's made up of people resisting change towards social justice. Abolishing slavery was discussed long before it happened, because the rich folks benefiting from it paid politicians and lobbyists to keep the system from changing in Just ways. Are you suggesting that those who believe in social justice should just stop fighting the rich? So what if the government wasn't “good” at allowing change and we had to fight for it? It HAD to be done, and the resistance by those profiting from unJustice rightly had to be overcome. What, exactly, are you suggesting? That we should have left slavery alone? That we should have left well enough alone and NOT freed the slaves?

And some of us ARE aware of how the Japanese were treated during WWII, and think we should have learned the lessons from such racism and NOT responded to an attack by 19 Saudi Arabians by randomly carpet-bombing anyone of the same skin color that war-profiteers pointed us towards.

And are you suggesting that we eliminate Social Security? I'm amazed how many people go this route in discussing expanding health care! I doubt you'll find very much support for moving the country backwards in such un-Just ways. People like their Social Security and MediCare, no matter how “Utopian idealists” of “Marxists” that makes them, and the idea that we'd get rid of them anytime soon is ridiculous, and nowhere near as likely as expanding health care to cover everyone as every other “western” civilization has done in some way or other. I mean, we're #1, right?

And, by the way, I am no party-line-toeing liberal democrat. I'm an honestly independent mind who prefers a party that tries to cover more Americans with health care and tries to bring its cost down for all Americans to a party that lies about why we were attacked, intentionally attacks a nation that had nothing to do with it for purely opportunistic economic imperialist reasons, and tells us all to go along with everything they say because Osama “The Boogeyman” bin Laden is out there, while simultaneously allowing The Boogeyman to slip away so that they can continue using fear of him to get themselves re-elected every 2 years. We'd hear, “Oh, he's just one man…he's been marginalized by the War of Terror…” until election season came around again and suddenly the ad campaign rolls in with his image followed by a mushroom cloud followed by “I'm George W. Bush and I approve this message”. Screw war-mongering elitists who play the public with the politics of fear again and again. Many Independents like myself will vote for the Dems (I actually voted 3rd party) until the Republicans come up with a message that makes some semblance of sense.

I mean, McCain sang “Bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran” on the campaign trail, while he hasn't come up with any solutions for either war we're already in. And Dick Cheney's being floated as a possible 2012 candidate? Dick “I start the wars, I don't come up with plans to end 'em” Cheney? The guy who hasn't offered any solutions to the wars he started, but whose memoirs accuse Bush of being Weak for not starting MORE wars? Really? If these are the viewpoints you think deserve as much respect and consideration as mine, you're just plain wrong. They were given far more respect and consideration and turned out to just be wrong.


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