Obtained: The RNC’s Health Care Survey

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Thursday, August 27, 2009 at 12:00 pm

I just chatted with Raymond Denny, the 64-year-old La Center, Wash., man who received the RNC’s “2009 Future of American Health Survey,” which alleged that President Obama’s health reform plans might discriminate against Republicans. Here’s the survey question:

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“I’ve been getting these things for years,” said Denny, who opened the letter with his wife Louise, “getting them from the Republicans, getting them from the Democratic Party, usually with the wrong name on it. This thing says I’m a sustaining member. They word these things to solicit the answer they wanted. This one here we looked at and said, ‘Wow, that’s way beyond the pale of what should be done.’”

Denny confirmed that he’s a “lifelong independent” who became a Democrat last year to vote for Obama. “I’m a fiscal and constitutional conservative,” he said, although he hasn’t made up his mind on the health care debate yet. “I don’t know why I got this. Maybe something in my demographic or something convinced them that I was a lifelong Republican.”

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UPDATE: Here’s the cover letter from RNC chairman Michael Steele. Again, click on the images to see larger versions.

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strangely_enough
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

“Does it concern you that the liberal media has gone to unprecedented levels to only give Obama's views on health care reform and no one else's?”

Do sentient beings actually buy this crap? Unprecedented would be the way protesters were ignored before the invasion of Iraq. Now? The town hall nuts have been given an unbelievable amount of coverage, and the chance to repeat every nonsense talking point they hear from their propaganda outlet of choice.

This “survey” reads like an exercise in projection by pathological liars. Wonder why that is?


ajm8127
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Number six is funny. It implies to me that doctors actaully make the decisions now. I wish they taught me more about neo-liberalism in school.


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k_michael
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

strangey-enough asked:
“Do sentient beings actually buy this crap?”

EWr, define “sentient”… LOL!

Maybe this is similar to the way credit-card companies had been known to issue credit cards to people's pets?


Roger91367
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

It astounds me how the fright-wing will say and do ANYTHING to stop doing any good for the people! They are shameless!!

They say they are for reform, yet say “NO” to every single proposal, all while offering NO proposals of their own.

If the dam breaks, the fright-wing would say “we need to fix it”, all while sitting back on the couch watching another Lucy rerun. – Get your heads out of your 1950s' a$$es and stop being obstructionists!


Susan
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

As a registered Republican I've gotten letters similar to this however I haven't received this one yet. The 2 things all these types of letters have in common are there request for money to show support and extremely conservative slant in the way they are written. So far every letter I've received since the election has done nothing but make mad because it's obvious that the GOP didn't learn anything with the outcome of the last election when lots of Republicans voted for Obama because we wanted a change in many of this governments policies.

As for the questions on the survey, they aren't written to get information. These questions are written to instill more unfounded fear.


truax
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

This is complete and utter bull****, and only idiots would buy into it.

Do you believe this stuff?

[ ] YES [ ] NO [ ] UNDECIDED


eaglesinnc
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

I'm stunned, and yet not so much, by this. The slant of the majority of these questions is unbelievable and sophomoric. I'd say Steele and the RNC should be ashamed, but I realize they have none. They'll get the surveys back and then the real leaders of the wing nuts, Rush and Beck, will talk about how “so many Americans are against the Democrats plan” and their sheep will repeat their bleating ad nauseum.


Research Rants
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Wow. This is even worse than their last one.

http://researchrants.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/w…


duey23
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Wow. As someone who works in the Market Research business, this could probably be classified as sugging (Selling Under the Guise of research) but I guess we'd have to reclassify “selling” as “soliciting for funds”.

I'm very much like Mr. Denny with my views and see this from both sides, so it's just sad.


moiraesfate
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

This is slimy. I'm so tired of the Republicans, but I'm even more tired of the people that actually believe this garbage.


Steve
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

LOL @ #4. Yes, Dems are going to deny health care to anyone registered as a Republican. The original plan was to harvest their organs. However, that plan had to be scrapped after it was discovered that their brains weren't any good and their hearts were completely gone!


awesomepowers
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Wow, republicans really are blatant lying scumbags.

Only idiots would buy into this, which unfortunately means that half of the adult US population would buy into this.


bryanrmorris
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

The Republicans' Big Lie strategy must have failed. It seems to have been replaced by the Dumb Lie strategy. There is apparently nothing they won't say or do to protect the profits and executive bonuses of the healthcare industry.


jenniferfarnsworth
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

WOW I can't believe how skewed these questions and statements are. Talk about suggestive selling. Also in Mr. Steele's letter, the government is running car companies? If you believe that, it's a testament to the complacency and growing lack of education in this country.


michael001
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Dirty deeds should not go unanswered!

I say we should support them by sending hand written check donations for the um of .70 cents.
They'll pay more processing the checks than they take in.
Let's kill 'em with kindness!
Just an idea


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rebeccay
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

wow. I am so ashamed of republican, right wingnuts, the mob, health ins comp, big pharma, our seniors for being so gullible, and I'm sure others I'm forgetting….that these folks actually are so dishonest and vile that they put profit ahead of human life. My God….I can't EVEN understand this rheteric!!


elflaco
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

I think they should be denied healthcare, apparently they do not need it


M. S.
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Send the insurance CEO's making obscene profits, the republicans/democrats indebted to them and therefore upholding their shenanigans, and anyone who agrees with them to Texas before it secedes from the Union. They can then turn on themselves and devour their own young.


deannarieser
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Thanks! I printed and completed it, as well as add some side notes. I'm sure they don't care what I have to say but it was worth the $0.44 to speak my peace. Did you hear Steve Inskeep's interview with Michael Steele on NPR? Steele is infantile.


adb1969
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

what unbelievable bullshit.


chelsey
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 12:35 am

this is a ridiculous questionnaire


rcfrt
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 1:14 am

So, if you don't mind a factual report on insurance CEO's that might burst your bubble, check out http://graefcrystal.com/images/CRYS_REP_HLTH_IN…


rcfrt
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 1:17 am

Yes it's a ridiculous questionnaire…but anyone who thinks that this is the sole province of Republicans is showing ignorance. I throw these away when they come….no matter which side they are from.


maidado
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 1:18 am

And I use to beleive that the Members of the Republican party with those with the means to educated themselves and access to information. WTH….They have gone down the drain. They are either so grossly misinformed that they should not risk and opinion or they have no concern for the welfare of the less fortunate. I do understand that there are good people who have been lured into this way of thinking because I have children who are in the group of Republicans who listen to only Rush, Glen and Bill to consider themselves informed and ready to make decisions about the future of our nation.


Chris
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 1:55 am

that's nice. I also have a link proving something something entirely different for some of the CEOs. (your links' #s in parenthesis, albeit 3 years later and maybe a dif. person (too early to get the full compensation scope?))
http://blogs.webmd.com/mad-about-medicine/2007/…
* United Health Group
CEO: William W McGuire
2005: 124.8 mil ($3.3M)
5-year: 342 mil
* Aetna
CEO: John Rowe
2005: 22.1 mil ($21.7)
5-year:57.8 mil
* WellPoint
CEO: Larry Glasscock
2005: 23 mil ($6.1)
5-year: 46.8 mil


Fuckofffuckweed
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 2:10 am

Any fool who doesn't realize these are loaded questions, are truly fools. And deserve everything they get, which means getting screwed by the insurance companies. And any fool who doesn't realize Medicare is a government run healthcare plan that runs pretty damn well should give it up and let those of us who don't have ANY healthcare have their policies.


Fuckofffuckweed
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 2:11 am

Idiots who believe this BS get what they deserve.


noblelewis
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Wow, I find that disturbing and I'm unable to give a definitive answer to most of the questions. They're very ambiguous. I've never gotten anything like that. But it sheds some light on the Town Hall Crazy's angst. I'm not a fan of Michael Steele nor do I like that they are requesting “donations” for the Republican Party. I would probably say the same thing about the Democrats version if the questions were that vague and biased. Thanks for posting that.


rcfrt
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 2:53 am

Interesting…I've e-mailed the author of the report I've been using to see what the basis is and why the discrepancy in the two reports is so large.


Bill
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 3:00 am

This is free of speech that is a waste of time and offers complete nothing of positive value, it is negative subvalue. Such rhetoric exemplifies that of proveyors of violence. Unsensible, lack of common sense, wild instincts


plainbill
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 3:07 am

rcrft:

Just the sort of facts and figures you would expect from the bubble buster professor.
I do not accept for the moment that the villainy among the health insurers Speaker Pelosi was ranting about was specifically that they are “gouging” the American public for their own gain, ‘villainy’ is not limited to salary compensation and industry profit. Her McCarthistic remarks towards the Heath care industry I am sure were more towards their monopolistic practices in respect to the insured and the millions that are left out due to them. However if the professor wishes to claim that the compensation due to the select CEO’s is evidenced that they are paying too little:

Ronald Williams – 21.7 = Weekly: $467,309.85
Ed Hanaway -12.2 = Weekly: $235,321.93
Michael McCallister-5.3=Weekly:$91,621.33
Angela Braly -6.1= Weekly:$189,310.02
Stephan Hemsley-3.3= Weekly: $62,327.73

As compared to(?) why then it is interesting but hardly a bubble buster.

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Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:13 am

I love the “Republican plan to give businesses tax credits to help them pay for health insurance.” That tax credit started under Truman, most likely. Without it, there is no employer-based system. That's right, government got into our healthcare way back. And there was basically a bipartisan consensus that, since the Republicans had successfully blocked single-payer, at least they could continue the employer-based systems that arose during World War II.


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Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:50 am

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mweintraub3
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

This is not a survey, it is a direct mail fund raising letter with what is called in the trade an involvement device. It is not slimy and it is commonly used by both the right and the left.


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sarah
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

And for some reason, all their livers seem to be lily-colored. Yes, it's very strange.


mim
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

It's also been suggested that the government, or space aliens, have been sending us radio signals through our tooth fillings. Does this concern you?

“Idiots who believe this BS get what they deserve.”

But if the rest of us get what those idiots deserve, that's not good.

“This is not a survey, it is a direct mail fund raising letter with what is called in the trade an involvement device. It is not slimy and it is commonly used by both the right and the left.”

Giving something a technical-sounding name doesn't make it right. Can you supply us a DNC fund-raising letter that is equally stuffed with equally wild speculations? Something that we can check back with the DNC or factcheck.org about?


kegill
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

Did you make the scans of the survey? If not, who did?


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Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

Raymond Denny did.


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myreps4sale
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

1)What would you say if you knew your CONSERVATIVE SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN WANT TO KILL MORE AMERICANS THAN SIX 9/11 TERRORIST ATTACKS? 18,000 people DIE EACH YEAR because they can't afford our outrageously expensive health care.

2) AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IF YOU KNEW YOUR POLITICIAN WAS WILLING TO IGNORE THAT TRAGIC PILE OF 18,000 BODIES FOR A HUGE WAD OF $$$$$$$$$ FROM THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY? The health care industry's Congressman hooker in my district, for example, has gotten over $2 MILLION to lie and sell out the people he's supposed to represent.

Actually, this isn't really the same as the Repug push poll, because the above is actually TRUE. But unlike most the Conservatives in question, I have a conscience and can't bring myself to lie –even for something like this, where no one would be harmed.

What did the Repub op who spent time in jail for illegal campaign tricks (a la Rove) say about his Party? something like…. they lie and cheat and if truth tries to raise it's head they stomp it and strangle it to death.


mdh
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

True. Plenty of slime to go around, but it's no excuse for inaction.


mdh
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

I think Senators should have healthcare covered to the same extent their constituents do.


sodbuster27
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

Perhaps you should look at the lines and try to find a doctor that will accept Medicare/Medicaid patients. Or you should look at the care of the VA. Also look at the unfunded liabilities of the VA/Medicare and know that it is BROKE — no cashola. Obama knows this and is going to fix our healthcare the same way.

If you want a policy weed, how many jobs do you have? Do you have a boat? Multiple cars? A home of your own? All of us have choices to make. Why are you wanting to force me to pay for your care? I would rather keep my own money to pay for my own family's care.

Keep your hand out of my pocket leach.


Research Rants
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

It's incredibly slimy, regardless of which side it comes from. It devalues true market research and public opinion polling, and makes it easier for people to claim that all polls are slanted/can't be trusted/etc.

It's much like the commercials for mortgage companies that pretend to be part of a newscast. Pure slime, and you should be ashamed if you put things like this together. Stick NOT A POLL, JUST FUNDRAISING LIES in 24-point type on top of it and then we can talk.


elflaco
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 12:46 am

Well then, just like me, they got nothing


Jeff Bumpus
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 2:14 am

It has nothing to do with whether the questions asked are legitimate poll questions or not.They are designed to infuriate those who are in a comfortable position in life to believe that they are “gonna have to pay for everything” and begin the search to uncover reasons why they shouldnt have to.One could say the same thing about *any* tax or government deduction from your weekly earnings.”Why should I have to pay for the Interstate repair,when I never drive on the Interstate? or maybe,”Why should I have to pay school taxes since my kids dont go to school anymore?”See how far those arguments will get you with your local township,parish,etc,the IRS or your state government should you try to use them.Taxes,or however you wish to term public works deductions from weekly paychecks have *never* been about what whether the cause was beneficial to the individual paying it.Mandatory deductions have always been for “socialist” purposes.After all you *are* part of society,correct?


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kegill
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 5:09 am

Thanks!


gordon
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 8:36 am

Fidel Castro said that he loves the nationalization of the car companies, he will be equally proud of this as well, The comments below are so naive about this great government plan is by far the stupidest thing I ever saw. I grew up under the veterns health system and it was impossible and horrible care. Medicare FYI is BROKE as are all the other programs,. IT is very IMMORAL to not give someone health care, which we do, but it is more immoral to allow our nation to go bankrupt, then where will we be?


malacoda
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 10:36 am

The government already has access to my voter registration. The government is where the GOP, and the Dems and the NOTAs (None of the Above), go to purchase the mailing lists to send out “surveys” like this to registered voters! And, since the American political pendulum always swings back, in 8-12 years the GOP will be running the Government Health Monopoly and can have the Death Panel approve – nay, mandate – euthanasia and abortions for all Dems.


jeffgarrett1972
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Go broke? you actually believe that? How come no other country with socialized medicine has gone broke?

How much money is being spent on the war? and could be saved.

A a tax on the wealthiest parasites would take care of the issue.


jorge
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

wonderful. Morons and bigots abound. I have many experiences of the iadequacies of British “system”. Abyssmal care, dilution of role of Drs. and Rns. Care very spotty and often cruel, professionalism discounted and accountability ( for paper work) taking huge swathes of time from patient carers or bribing Drs. to avoid seeing problems with the lame and the halt. In places edging on evil…Adolph would be happy. Fascisim power without responsibility, responsibilty without power. Soon to be here! Welcome suckers, same system, be here soon.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

I am a legal immigrant, now a citizen, my entire family lives from the north to the south of England two are RN’s one a director of a hospital and they all love their health care. Don’t you understand with private insurance you are putting millions of dollars into the pockets of the big shots, also the lobbyists and of course the companies that make the drugs. If I had paid cash for my bone scan it would have cost $80, medicare was billed $240 and they settled for $140 plus my 20%co-pay, more than a 100% markup, and you are happy with with that deal. Who do you think is paying for all the emergency care and people that can’t pay and file bankruptcy.My Canadians friends two who are R.N.s and their families are very pleased with their health care. The ones who come over the border are no doubt the ones with the big bucks, people can.t believe you can lose your home over medical bills.I would also like to know if we stop abortion what is your plan to rais eall these children who will be going into the welfare system


Anonymous
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

do the Republicans have a plan, why didn’t they fix everything when they were in office seeing they have all the answers


walney
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

I guess you love giving your hard earned money to the ceos, one who makes $98,000 a minute, of course you must not have had your policy rescinded which in two health care plans alone rescinded a total of 14,000 and 20,000 and no I did not get this off the talk shows it was on the political channel.As far as the town meetings instead of listening to both sides it seems the Republicans are more interested in hearing their own voices instead of listening to a debate. I am a legal immigrant now a citizen whose entire family is in England and they are more than happy with their healthcare. I guess you don't mind paying for all the emergency care that poor people are getting. I make enough money to live decently but feel for those who don't. If you have a lot of money and you think that living on welfare etc is so good, here's an idea , give all your money away and live as a poor person, you have a choice


walney
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

I loved this


walney
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

A Republican with an open mind, Thank You


walney
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

I think it ismore than half


walney
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

how about 10c


walney
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

I am curious, where do the opponents of the healthcare think excessive salaries are coming from, could it be out of the tax payers pocket


walney
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

Why not , you don't mind paying for all the poor people using the emergency room or all the people filing for medical bankruptcy or all the CEOs pay,you have all the answers what would you do, try to find a for profit that will let you see Dr's outside their chosen group


walney
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

isn't that scary


janet kitiyakara
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

At 79, post heart attack, with coverage under Medicare/HMO, I've got mine! What a selfish thought that would be if I truly felt it. I get pretty cynical about the wording of the Republican propaganda, but why doesn't some enlightened liberal make a chart of the European health statistics and try to refute the outrageous Rep. claims (like Stephan Hawkings would not have survived in G.B, while the opposite is more likely, and G.B. denies care to older heart patients, despite indignant refutals by those who received excellent care in spite of their advanced age.)? I would like to see some hard facts on costs in the Netherlands, Germany, France, Switzerland, the Scandinavian countries, and all other countries that rank above the U.S. in general and specific health specifics. Then let's also compare costs and benefits in the far East, including India, Australia, and Thailand, and finally the Middle East, Africa, and South America. Refusing to learn from other countries is short-sighted and leaves us open to ridicule, especially with the outrageous claims by Palin and her ilk. I took my gravely ill husband to Thailand to spend the last 7 months of his life, and we got superb help, while I could not even possibly have coped if we had remained in the U.S.


mnewman
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

Here is a statistic for you. Costa Rica, a developing country, pays $6000 a year per person for their socialized health care while the US pays roughly $8000 a year per person right now so ob- viously something is wrong. Preventavive health care keeps the costs down for everyone involved. Which is better paying $50 in taxes for a preventative mamogram or $20,000 down the road for a women who lost her job and is relying on our tax money for her chemo and hospital stays. In addition the US's infant mortality rate is worse than Cuba and Poland so obviously something is wrong and needs to be fixed here.


Johndoe
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

Do you realize how much money $6,000 is in a third world country like Costa Rica? That's basically most people's entire salary down there; the equivalent of say $30,000 here in the U.S.


Johndoe
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

I couldn't care less how your much money your evil CEOs make. What I care about is the highest quality medical attention in the world right now, and that's what we have here in the U.S.


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