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By: monkey99

monkey99 — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:23:53 +0000

wtaguy,

After reading it again, I did find something in Article 1, Section 8 that actually does say something that possibly bolsters the Preamble argument, unless I'm reading it wrong. It says: "To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any Department thereof".

It's the "and all other powers vested by this Constitution" part that interests me. What do you think?

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By: wtaguy

wtaguy — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:19:05 +0000

monkey99,

Thanks for the clarification. I've had so many conversations with people who refuse to consider even the possibility of this interpretation.

woonsocket,

Thank you, too. I've been to Canada several times over the years (starting with Expo '67!), and I've never been disappointed.

By: monkey99

monkey99 — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:21:10 +0000

wtaguy,

I should have clarified, it was article 1 section 8 I referred to. Of course the Preamble lays it out clearly, that's why I said that there wasn't any reason why Congress can't pass a bill. It's all desperate legal sophistry.

woonsocket,

"Who says a govt. program can't be capitalistic?" Our healthcare Insurance Industry. They cry "no competition", but that's exactly what they DON"T want. Their monolithic system is all that matters. What's so heinous is they spend 1.4M. every day, to crush the reform movement. Imagine if they were to spend THAT on the patients they're allowing to suffer and/or die here. Of course, you know this already, having a system that brings respect and dignity to those who most need it.

By: woonsocket

woonsocket — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:43:35 +0000

Think about a family of four. Think about what they're paying for health insurance. Think about the money they save even with universal health insurance. Put that money into the malls across the country. Now that's a stimulus plan I like. The fact that I have universal health coverage has enabled me to invest in stocks in your country as well as mine. Who says a govt. program can't be capitalistic?

By: woonsocket

woonsocket — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:39:47 +0000

Even though I live in Canada, I studied The Constitution many years ago. In The Constitution the people in Congress are supposed to represent Americans – not insurance companies. Please come visit us in Canada where we have universal health care. Our economy is small but our recession is over. At the end of The National Anthem is, “Land of the free and home of the brave.” There's nothing brave about letting American become sick & die without health insurance. I love American history.

By: woonsocket

woonsocket — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:32:56 +0000

In Canada we have universal health care. It isn't perfect but 80% of Canadians like it. Abortion is legal & the govt. doesn't ration or tell us what procedures we can get. That is decided by our doctor. It's curious how the crazies at the town halls want govt. off of their bodies. I'm glad that you progressed to giving women the right to choose an abortion.

By: wtaguy

wtaguy — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:34:08 +0000

P_Publius has no good point at all. Here's the text of the Preamble to our Constitution:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Nowhere, as is claimed, are the words "general Welfare of the United States," and it's quite clear, at least to me, that the Preamble refers, repeatedly, to people (We, the People, ourselves, our Posterity), and not to any government except that which the Constitution means to establish.