Trent Franks Is Signing on to the ‘Birther Bill’

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Tuesday, August 25, 2009 at 4:04 pm

Bethany Haley, a spokeswoman for Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), has told WorldNetDaily that her boss is more interested in the conspiracy theories about Barack Obama’s birth than he had previously let on. Yesterday, Haley said that Franks had been convinced of Obama’s citizenship but wanted to see the proof anyway. Today, Haley says that Franks actually considered pursuing the “birther” conspiracy theories in 2008.

The real story is that he had considered a lawsuit before the 2008 election. He was ranking member on the Constitution subcommittee and it was relevant for him to take a stand on that.

That advances what Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.), the sponsor of the “birther bill” that would require 2012 presidential candidates to show their birth certificates, told Andrea Shea King back in June. Posey claimed that he’d talked to members of the House Judiciary Committee about the chances of ousting Obama on a technicality.

Haley also told WND that Franks “today joined the list of supporters of the demand for proof from future candidate.” The congressman is not yet listed as a co-sponsor of Posey’s H.R. 1503 at GovTrack or Thomas, and I’ve put in a call to check this out.

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captainsteve
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

Trent Franks is a patriot. It's time to see what obama's hiding.


JohnC
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Assuming this bill were to somehow become law, it won't clarify any of the issues raised by the birthers.

The text of the bill requires a candidate to provide “a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under section 5 of article II of the Constitution.”

First, the bill does not define what a “birth certificate” is, and Hawaii officials are already on record as stating that the COLB is Hawaii's officially-issued birth certificate. Second, once the COLB has been issued and reviewed, and the state of Hawaii is thus officially on the record as stating that Obama was born on Oahu, it is not clear under the law what “other documentation” would be “necessary to establish that the candidate” is a natural born citizen.

Having said that, it may be that the whole point of the bill may be to create ambiguities that can end up in court. Inevitably, some birther will file a suit based on the revised 2 U.S.C. section 433(b) claiming that Obama's campaign committee failed to comply with the law by issuing the Hawaii COLB. And even if the court were to rule against the birther, which is most likely, the birthers will then argue that the lawsuit is all Obama's fault in the first place because he didn't go above and beyond the law to provide them with proof that the COLB isn't a fraud in order to soothe their paranoia.

And of course this bill will do absolutely ZERO to placate those whose warped view of common law and American legal history suggests that Obama's NBC status somehow depends on the nationality of his parents.

But at least Franks will get some cheap, short-term support from the birther community.


JohnC
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

Supposing Obama actually showed what he's “hiding,” and his long-form birth certificate indeed states that he was born on Oahu, are you prepared to say that you were wrong and then accept him as president without any doubt as to his legitimacy?


aarrgghh
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 12:13 am

you haven't read the “birther platonic dialogue”, have you?


JohnC
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Touché.


Steve X
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 1:04 am

Trent Franks is an idiot. I guess now we're about to see how big of an idiot he is.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:15 am

Great work, JohnC.

I think the crux of the matter comes down to this part of the bill:

“together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility”

This description is of course in addition to the candidate's birth certificate. Since the birth certificate establishes age and natural born citizenship, the only other matter to consider is whether the candidate has been a resident of the U.S. for 14 years.

But I don't think for a second that the birthers will see it this way. They will instead use “as may be necessary to establish” as broadly as possible. They will just argue that all the documentation provided does not “establish” eligibility, YET, because they still have some doubts.

And of course it would be abused to suit political purposes. So candidate A would satisfy the requirement with a copy of his birth certificate, but candidate B would have to drag out her kindergarten progress reports and her mother's medical records, all just to give her political opponents something to use against her and keep a big cloud over her head.

You're right. Franks wants support from the birther community.

For a nationally-ambitious politician, this birther thing is suicide. But for a House member whose district, thanks to Tom DeLay, is gerrymandered so that he or she represents a constituency that is disproportionately made up of the right-wing fringe, this birther thing can be an easy way of snapping up votes. These House members can be appalling to the rest of us as long as the folks at home like the way they sound.

Of course, the greater pictures is that most citizens are repelled by things like this, and it makes independent voters and RINO's leery of the GOP. It also calcifies the spines of Democrats who might not like Obama all that much. They like even less the idea that when America has all these serious problems, jackass Republicans are making up unconstitutional bills to try to embarrass the sitting President.

I cannot stand birthers and make no apologies for treating them with contempt and derision.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:20 am

Thanks for that link. Great stuff.


ISUer
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:40 am

John C, you are completely and absolutely correct. Clearly the far right thinks they can outmaneuver Obama in the courts, a laughable notion today, but what about in four years? (four years of economic turmoil could easily breed brands of extremists light-years to the right of Limbaugh or Palin, and with far more power in the courts/congress). What is taking place now is just the beginning, it seems to me, of a polarization of this country's population not seen in our lifetimes, or the lives of our parents or grandparents. As Americans, it is our duty to stand up to instigators (Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and now Trent Franks…) of such base lies, who deliberately intend to weaken this country to their own individual gain. The United States of America is in this manner threatend by the most deadly enemy our country has ever faced: Itself. All of us, liberal or conservative, democrat or republican, must acknowledge that all of us have contributed to the problems our country faces. It us up to all of us then, to work together to fix our country: by ignoring the siren song of hatred (anger and hate are easy emotions…) and listenting to what we all know, at some level of our being, to be the truth.

A House divided against itself will Fall. -Luke 11:17


RedGraham
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:25 am

The man is not now and was never a natural-born US citizen and is therefore illegally in office. His very first act as prez was to seal all the documents of his school/college records & he has still not produced an original Birth Certificate. He may have been born a dual-citizen in Hawaii or a Brit in Hawaii, Kenya or possibly Canada. He was later adopted at about age five in Indonesia as Moslem Barry Soetoro. He went to Hawaii on an unknown passport at age ten to visit his grandparents the Dunhams & stayed to adulthood. His '79 HS diploma was probably awarded to Barry Soetoro and that would explain how he got a passport to Pakistan & applied to Occidental College as a foreign student. We are presently in the midst of a constitutional crisis and the beginning of another civil war. Obama is a usurper and he must depart the Oval Office ASAP.


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ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

Yawn. Can't you birthers come up with something new?

You are really starting to bore.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

“I cannot stand birthers and make no apologies for treating them with contempt and derision”

But they are fun to tease and poke sticks at.


DWB!
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 1:36 pm

Theory: ” the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another”. The fact is Obama will not release what every American citizen must do which is a simple birth certificate. We allow this president control of our country, military and security and he can't even produce a birth certificate. How STUPID are we?


DWB!
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

Duh; Wednesday, 8 November 2006, 22:39 GMT
Democrats have won control of the US House of Representatives in mid-term polls, and are one seat away from gaining a majority in the Senate.
Democrats have been driving this train wreck for a few years and that's why we are hosed.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

“The fact is Obama will not release what every American citizen must do “

Every American must release his birth certificate?

Won't that cause problems with identity theft?

;)


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

Posted by DWB! “How STUPID are we?”

Well, as a rule, birthers do seem kinda “special,” if you know what I mean.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

Poke, Poke, Poke.


captainsteve
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

Of course I wouldn't say he's legitimate. It would only let him off the hook of being considered a liar and a fraud for not keeping his transparency pledge.

His father is Kenyan/British. Natural Born citizenship historically requires two citizen parents.
btw All the threat of riots if he was constitutionally removed only proves that his supporters are violent lawless thugs. You'll all shown your hand regardless of the outcome of the b/c issue.


DWB!
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

I suppose it would be a worry IF:
You never use credit cards at restaurants,
Never allow the Hotel Clerk to make a copy of your drivers license and YOU
Have a REAL birth certificate, signed by a doctor with a raised document seal on PAPER.

No, I doubt identity theft would be a problem, since I know what the president looks like. You can see him on the Clinton News Network (CNN)


DWB!
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

Is Barney here?


JohnC
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Thank you! And that is precisely why Obama is better off ignoring you and your demands.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

I have to wonder about the constitutionality of the birther bill. It seems to me that this bill is taking constitutionally mandated powers away from the Electoral College and Congress. It is up to those two bodies to ensure that the president elect meets the requirements, not the FEC.


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Actually, it’s only a secondary reason. No, they won’t be convinced, no matter what, but the first reason not to respond is that it dignifies and legitimizes the claims of a bunch of lunatics. To respond would literally reduce the stature and dignity of the office.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Different states have different legal standards for birth certificate. The minimum standard required by the U.S. state department does not require a doctor’s signature. Furthermore, most, if not all states are migrating hard copy record do digital records.

What this means is the digital file is the official, original birth record data.

You can get a certified copy of that record, but it is not “the original.” You would be no more able to hold the original than you would be able to hold a bunch of electrons.


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

How STUPID are we?

I have a good idea of how stupid you are.


JohnC
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

To respond would also cast completely unwarranted doubt on the legitimacy of an official document issued by the State of Hawaii.

If an officially issued birth document can be called into question simply because some people do not want to believe it, why not also cast doubt on everyone else’s official documents, including their driver’s licenses or Social Security numbers? Under such a regime, wow could a person prove he or she is eligible to work in the United States? How could one get a passport?

The mind reels.


JohnC
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

I think you've perfectly captured the reason why it's pointless for Obama to do so much as lift a finger to cater to people like you.

All the threat of riots if he was constitutionally removed only proves that his supporters are violent lawless thugs.

Obviously, there are hundreds of millions of people who will vehemently disagree that his removal would be in the slightest bit constitutional. You can't expect such an action to take place without a reaction.


joeagayan
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

There is only one reason anyone would spend over one million dollars to NOT show their birth certificate. Can anyone come up with a second reason?


prsmith
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

Please document that assertion. I know of nothing in the Constitution that mandates who should vet Presidential candidates. This is critical information since it would be good to know who to sue for breach of Constitutional responsibilities.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Steve, Have you noticed that interest in the birther movement is starting to fade?

Face it, you guys have jumped the shark.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Actually, I do believe that many of the birthers want riots. . . .


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Can you come up with proof of that a million dollars?

Nope?

Thought so.


prsmith
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

It is clear that Obama has violated several Federal laws. First, he has released and the public has relied on a forged Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) to verify his Presidential eligibility. Three independent electronic document experts have all verified the forgery starting with the fact that there is a PhotoShop copyright buried in the file indicating that PhotoShop was used on the file. Second, Obama failed to list his alias, Barry Soetoro, on his law application. These are both serious felonies which makes him an unindicted felon. God only knows why neither the judiciary or the legislature has taken any action on these serious offenses. Add to that the fact that Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, went to school in Indonesia under the adoptive name Barry Soetoro and that there is no record of naturalization on his return to Hawaii/Washington or of an official name change must lead to the conclusion that the man's real name is Barry Soetoro and he is working under an alias and is an illegal alien.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

PRSmith wrote: “It is clear that Obama has violated several Federal laws. First, he has released and the public has relied on a forged Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) to verify his Presidential eligibility.”

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That is an interesting accusation, pr, but one that is not entirely accurate.
From the Hawaii Revised Statutes:
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§338-30 Penalties.

(b) Any person who wilfully makes or alters any certificate or certified copy thereof provided for in this part except in accordance with this part, shall be fined not more than $1,000, or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
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Of course this begs the whole question of why the REPUBLICAN Attorney General of Hawaii has not indicted President Obama yet.

Can you explain why this has not happened yet?


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

God only knows why neither the judiciary or the legislature has taken any action on these serious offenses.

Actually, sane people know it's because they are all bullshit. That's why.


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

His birth certificate has been shown, and your assertions as to the money spent are, unsurprisingly, bullshit.


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

I know of nothing in the Constitution that mandates who should vet Presidential candidates.

Better re-read the parts about the requirements for the presidency and on the electoral college, dumbass.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

Actually, sane people also know that it is the responsibility of the Executive, not the judiciary or the legislature to enforce the laws.

(i.e. Hawaii's Attorney General)


Steve X
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

What a collection of stupid bullshit. Nothing but a rehash of unproven, untrue allegations and made-up conspiracy nonsense. With no proof at all that any of this is true, your dream of undoing the election last year will never happen, but don't let that stop you from posting. With Stewart and Colbert on vacation for a while, it's good to see that I can always come back here and laugh at birfers.

On the bright side, you know how to use grammar and punctuation correctly. That makes you the least-retarded kid on the short bus that is the birfer movement.


JohnC
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

It is clear that Obama has violated several Federal laws. First, he has released and the public has relied on a forged Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) to verify his Presidential eligibility. Three independent electronic document experts have all verified the forgery starting with the fact that there is a PhotoShop copyright buried in the file indicating that PhotoShop was used on the file.

And so what if PhotoShop was used? What does that prove? That may amount to nothing more than shrinking the size of the image, not making any substantive change to the contents of the image itself.

Furthermore, I'd like to see whether these “experts” also claim that the high-res images issued by FactCheck.org were somehow altered.

Finally, the birth certificate was not issued pursuant to any federal law. If Obama violated a particular federal law in doing so, the burden is on you to identify the specific law/laws in question.

Second, Obama failed to list his alias, Barry Soetoro, on his law application. These are both serious felonies which makes him an unindicted felon. God only knows why neither the judiciary or the legislature has taken any action on these serious offenses.

You're making the assumption that Barack Obama actually had an alias at the time he applied for law school. Give me one shred of proof that any jurisdiction in the United States ever recognized him as anything other than Barack Obama II.

Second of all, please identify the specific law which makes failing to put an alias (such as there was) on an application to a non-governmental institution a felony.

Add to that the fact that Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, went to school in Indonesia under the adoptive name Barry Soetoro and that there is no record of naturalization on his return to Hawaii/Washington or of an official name change must lead to the conclusion that the man's real name is Barry Soetoro and he is working under an alias and is an illegal alien – at least until Mr. Soetoro proves otherwise with proper documentation.

You are utterly mistaken on your assertion of the law. Under explicit U.S. law in effect at the time, the adoption of a U.S. citizen minor by a foreign national does not have any effect on the citizenship of that minor, unless he fails to re-establish permanent residency in the U.S. before age 25. Since Obama returned to the United States when he was 10 years old, his citizenship could not have been affected. Period. Please read the law for yourself:

“[A] person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by –

“(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application, upon an application filed in his behalf by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a parent having legal custody of such person: Provided, That nationality shall not be lost by any person under this section as the result of naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the result of a naturalization obtained on behald of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, unless such person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residence prior to his twenty-fifth birthday…”

Now please explain how Obama's U.S. citizenship could have been affected notwithstanding the above provision.


Steve X
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

“I know of nothing in the Constitution that mandates who should vet Presidential candidates.”

Here, let me fix that quote for you:

“I know of nothing in the Constitution.”

Much better.


prsmith
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

This has nothing to do with Hawaii or the records filed there (though it would be nice if the Hawaiian authorities would do their duty). Altering a Hawaiian document is punishable by them but it has nothing to do with using that forgery as proof of eligibility in a Federal election. It has to do with a proven forgery upon which America relied when they voted for Barry. As to the earlier idiot, using PhotoShop in any way on a document invalidates it since there is no way to discern between resizing and modifying but there is no question that other modifications were made to the document as is evidenced in their reports. I can not answer the question as to why all authorities have not stepped up and done their sworn duty. It's quite beyond me but it smells like ten day old fish.


Adam
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

Remember that ther is NO formal vetting procedure for Presidential eligibility. Socialist Workers Party Presidential candidate Roger Calero was absolutely forthright and honest about being born in Nicaragua–nonetheless, he got on the ballot in several states. The question of John McCain's eligibility only came to light after Democratic 'birthers' rightfully questioned it, and hearings and full disclosure of his records put the issue to rest.

Obama has been inconsistent about his personal history, stating first that Queens, then Kapi'olani, was his birthplace. For someone who was so candid about things like cocaine use–campaigning on 'openness and transparency'–Obama's opacity on mundane records like birthplace information and college admission records is puzzling. Both Bushes and John Kerry released their college records; this is significant, as admission records would indicate if Obama registered as a 'foreign' student. Add to this Hawai'i's very idiosynchratic birthplace records laws and you have more than a few factors that raise concerns about Obama's eligibility.

People cannot take the word of a politician at faith. The issue of Presidential eligibility is a real one, not something to be dismissed as 'crazy conspiracy theories'. The onus is on Obama to dispell these concerns, by opening ALL of his records to scrutiny, as John McCain had done. These records include: birth certificate and/or certificATION (not certificATE) of live birth, records of his birth from Kapi'olani (or Queens), his passport records and his college admission records. Additionally–and completely unrelated to the 'birther' issue–Obama should disclose his Senatorial records, including which lobbyists he met with during that career. A protege of Richard M. Daley is likely to have 'conections' that should be scrutinized.


prsmith
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

“Furthermore, I'd like to see whether these “experts” also claim that the high-res images issued by FactCheck.org were somehow altered.”

That's one of the unofficial, undocumented 'documents' they analyzed. The reports are online and have never been refuted by any credible document analysis expert. It seems to me that this would be a really easy charge to refute by a credible expert but that hasn't happened – why?


prsmith
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

I'll reserve comment on your insult until you prove you know what you're talking about. Be specific please, where in the Constitution is the responsibility for vetting Presidential candidates specified?


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

Adam wrote: “Socialist Workers Party Presidential candidate Roger Calero was absolutely forthright and honest about being born in Nicaragua–nonetheless, he got on the ballot in several states.”

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Who cares. He didn’t win any Electoral College votes so your example has no validity.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Nice sidestep, but no cigar.

Why haven't the Hawaiian authorities “Done their durty?”


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Obama Sr.s British Citizenship and the British Nationality Act of 1948 caused the baby Obama in 1961 (or possibly by his MySpace, 1957), to be born a British Citizen. Are you claiming that a person born a foreign citizen can ever be considered a Natural Born American Citizen? That would be quite a stretch even for a Obot. Arnold would love for you to prove that!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

One theory is, that this is a far bigger conspiracy than anyone thought possible in November.


prsmith
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

I've already said I don't know. Are you “deaf”?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

mantis, is it not about time for your afternoon nap?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

The Original long forms are still on file. All it would take is a request from the person on the document. It is not being released because obviously there is something on the long form that is damaging.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

True words Red!


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Obama has been inconsistent about his personal history, stating first that Queens, then Kapi'olani, was his birthplace.

Wrong. Obama has never claimed to have been born anywhere other than Kapi'olani.

For someone who was so candid about things like cocaine use–campaigning on 'openness and transparency'–Obama's opacity on mundane records like birthplace information and college admission records is puzzling.

His birthplace info is well known. Why should he release college admission records?

Both Bushes and John Kerry released their college records;

They were obtained by the press. Bush and Kerry did not release them.

this is significant, as admission records would indicate if Obama registered as a 'foreign' student.

He wasn't, so they wouldn't.

Add to this Hawai'i's very idiosynchratic birthplace records laws and you have more than a few factors that raise concerns about Obama's eligibility.

Your concerns are based on bullshit.

The issue of Presidential eligibility is a real one, not something to be dismissed as 'crazy conspiracy theories'.

There is no question of Obama's eligibility, except for among crazed conspiracy theorists. We call em as we see em.

The onus is on Obama to dispell these concerns, by opening ALL of his records to scrutiny, as John McCain had done.

No it isn't, and no, McCain didn't.

Wow, you just get everything wrong, don't you?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

ISUer, we are not destroying America, we are saving it from those that have sought to destroy it first through Socialism, and now, Communism. What bothers some is the tide of Patriotism is growing exponentially and we just might have a chance at saving our America today. This new involvement of regular people in our politics may be exactly what we have needed for 50 years.


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Yeah, involving time travel, aliens, the tri-lateral commission, and Elizabeth Taylor!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

No!


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

All it would take is a request from the person on the document.

Not true. That's why not a single Hawaiian birther has managed to get a copy of his/her “long form” certificate to prove to us all that Obama can just do that.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 1:12 am

Let’s pick up an number of the claims in this “report”:

On the other hand, if the original birth certificate is of types 2, 3, or 4, Dr Fukino’s statement would be only somewhat less deceptive and verbally tricky.

If the original birth certificate were of any of those types (mailed in, based on the testimony of the child as an adult), then one is hard-pressed to explain how the COLB has a registration date of “August 8, 1961″ on it, a mere four days after his birth. We have every reason to believe this registration date is correct, given that Obama’s birth was announced in two Honolulu papers the following week.

For the same reason, it is not possible that Obama could have registered his birth per the 1982 law.

But if the original certificate is of the other kinds, then Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate. For if he did, then the tape recording of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother asserting that she was present at his birth in Kenya becomes far more important.

But the very tape alluded to continues with Obama’s grandmother denying he was born in Kenya once an error in translation became apparent to her. At the very least, an honest investigator would have conceded that the evidentiary value of Obama’s grandmother’s “confession” is diminshed as a result of her evident confusion.

As does the Kenyan ambassador’s assertion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, as well as the sealing of all government and hospital records relevant to Obama by the Kenyan government.

These documents are alluded to, but no hard facts are provided to back up these claims. At best, shoddy work.

Given the statutes in force in 1961, the Certification of Live Birth proves nothing unless we know what is on the original birth certificate.

This is an absurd statement. The COLB by its very design, is to convey certain information from historical records in conformity with national standards. There is ZERO offered for why the COLB is not representative of records on file, merely wild and unwarranted speculation by the “investigator.”

There are several legal areas (involving ethnic quotas and subsidy) for which the state of Hawaii up until June 2009 did not accept its computer-generated Certification of Live Birth as sufficient proof of birth in Hawaii or parentage.

This demonstrates the “investigator”‘s ignorance of Hawaii law. The Hawaii Department of Home Lands, by its own statement, develops and delivers lands to Hawaii “natives.” By this it means ETHNIC Hawaiians. Because the COLB on its face does not provide information about ethnicity, the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept the COLB as final. This policy in no way suggests that the COLB is not reliable, only that it is not complete for the HDHL’s specialized purpose.

Obama’s original birth certificate (whether it was filed in 1961 or later) was a very different document from the Certification of Live Birth on FactCheck.org. On the FactCheck.org web site, the claim is made that “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.”

For an “investigative report,” this is parsing language to a ridiculous extreme. No one has argued that the COLB was printed in 1961. FactCheck.org was using the word “original” in the context that it was not a copy of an official document – it was the original official document. (To counter claims that no one has seen anything but computer copies.)

This kind of interpretation is either woefully ignorant, or wilfully blind to the context in order to reach a preordained result.

If a person is not at the time of his birth an American citizen, he cannot be a natural-born citizen.

This assertion has absolutely NO legal support. The fact is, this is an open legal question, and one which the Supreme Court has not opined upon, either directly or in dicta. To state otherwise is simply a lie.

“Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England, that is, within the ligeance, or as it is generally called, the allegiance of the king; and aliens, such as are born out of it.. . .

This citation of Blackstone actually supports the common-law doctrine that a person born in the country is a natural born subject/citizen.

“When I say, that an alien is one who is born out of the king’s dominions, or allegiance, this also must be understood with some restrictions. The common law indeed stood absolutely so; with only a very few exceptions: so that a particular act of parliament became necessary after the restoration, for the naturalization of children of his majesty’s English subjects, born in foreign countries during the late troubles.

This further quote from Blackstone indeed suggests that the common law concept of “natural born subject” was largely limited to persons born domestically. Because the common law informed our own concept of “natural born citizen,” this limitation cannot be easily dismissed. However, it is worth pointing out that courts during the first several decades of our republic regularly divided citizens into exactly two classes: “natural born citizens” and “naturalized citizens.” These were mutually exclusive categories. All other persons were “aliens” or “foreigners.” There was no third category of non-natural born, non-naturalized citizens.

This view is backed up by the way in which the Supreme Court has discussed such distinctions:

“We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, § 1.”

Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163, 166 (1964).

Notice that the Court speaks of exactly two kinds of citizens – native born and naturalized. There is no third category mentioned.

Again:

The naturalized citizen has as much right as the natural-born citizen to exercise the cherished freedoms of speech, press and religion, and without “clear, unequivocal, and convincing” proof that he did not bear or swear true allegiance to the United States at the time of naturalization he cannot be denaturalized.

Baumgartner v. United States, 322 U.S. 665, 680 (1944).

No third category of citizen is mentioned. Any Supreme Court decision to the contrary would be greatly appreciated.

The irresponsible confirmation in the Senate of the irresponsible tallying of votes in the Electoral College does not supersede the clear meaning of Article II, Section 1.

This sounds like an editorial, not an investigative report, and it starts with the presumption that Obama was not born in Hawaii. However, not even this report is able to prove that contention – all it does is make suggestions and insinuations.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

“Arnold would love for you to prove that!”

Arnold was born in Austria, Barack was born in Honolulu.

See the difference?


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

OMG, it's bigger than the “Bush blew up the WTC towers” conspiracy.


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

The rules are different for children, you crazy ass birther. It is likely that Obama had automatic British citizenship when born, which would have then transferred to Kenyan citizenship when that country became independent. But Kenya does not allow dual citizenship of adults, so his Kenyan citizenship would have been automatically lost without him renouncing his United States citizenship and swearing an oath allegiance to Kenya.

So even if he did have dual citizenship as a child, it would in no way affect his United States citizenship and would have disappeared as soon as he reached adulthood.

And for the umpteenth time, the only distinction made regarding “natural born” citizenship is against that of naturalized citizenship. You are one or the other. Obama is natural born.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

Don't get snippy. :)

anyway, I like oldone's anser below. When in doubt, “they are all in on it.”

;)


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

It has to do with a proven forgery upon which America relied when they voted for Barry.

Only crazy ass birthers factored birth certificates into their voting choices, and none of them voted for Obama. And you have to prove something for it to be proven, dumbass.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

Since when to the laws of a foreign country have precidence over our own laws in this country?

In the country, if he was born here, then he is a natural born citizen. What another countries laws say don't mean squat.


JohnC
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

oldmagicman666 –

You're actually proving the point that this whole debate is less about constitutional eligibility requirements, and more about destroying a President of the United States that you disagree with, through any reasonable or unreasonable means possible.

The seriousness of your constitutional arguments should be considered in the context of such motivations.


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

It doesn't matter to them. They aren't even aware of what our laws say, let alone other countries. All the information they get is wingnut propaganda. Guaranteed to be bullshit.


mantis
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

In other words: You're full of shit and everyone knows it.


JohnC
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

That's about right. All of these pseudo-constitutional arguments have nothing to do with proper application of Article II, Section 1, and everything to do with the fact that they don't like Obama. They're willing to scream, pout, and spew legal nonsense until they get their way, regardless of the merits. As one columnist recently put it, it's the tyranny of the tantrum – the political equivalent of the terrible twos.


aarrgghh
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 1:34 am

i have read it. but it’s obvious you haven’t if you think this is any kind of proof. i’m a retired cia officer. and an intelligence investigator. and a forensic document expert. and a sous chef. stuff like this was written for gullible birfers like you, who will believe any anonymous conmen who tell you whatever you want to hear. and if you don’t believe me, why would you believe this “report”?

here’s some honest advice: don’t believe everything you read on the internet.


aarrgghh
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 1:36 am

i commend you for the heavy lifting, even if it is futile when dealing with birfers.


JohnC
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 9:49 pm

That's one of the unofficial, undocumented 'documents' they analyzed. The reports are online and have never been refuted by any credible document analysis expert.

On what basis do you characterize the document reviewed by FactCheck.org as “unofficial”? What “reports” are you specifically referring to that suggest that the FactCheck.org pictures, or the document depicted in the pictures, are somehow altered? And who are the “experts” making such assertions?

On another note, I am still waiting for your responses to my other challenges to your assertions.


JohnC
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

Are you claiming that a person born a foreign citizen can ever be considered a Natural Born American Citizen?

If that person is born on American soil – and is not either (1) the child of a person who is on U.S. soil as a foreign diplomat, or (2) the child of nationals of a hostile state which is occupying that portion of the U.S. where the child is born – you are darn well straight that that is EXACTLY what I am saying.

If a child fulfills the above requirement without falling into either of the exceptions (which is the scope of “natural born subject” as historically recognized under common law and reaffirmed as the scope of “natural born citizen” by Wong Kim Ark), that person is a natural born citizen without regard for and other citizenship the child may happen to have.

Period.


prsmith
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

What unadulterated tripe that is. The files are sealed. It would take a court order or release by Obama to see that document. Hopefully a court will make that order soon.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:25 am

“Steve, Have you noticed that interest in the birther movement is starting to fade?”
ant, where did you come up with this? For 9 months the MSM would not touch the eligibility issue with a 10ft long form. Now “everybody” is starting to open their eyes to the fact that we might not have a Constitutionally eligible POTUS! How many of these sites do “you” post on a day? Bet you can’t get to all of them, they’re everywhere. Just listen to the true American people today. They are aware and loud! Can’t “you” hear um?


captainsteve
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

Looks like the oBummer/Craiglist patrol is hard at work trying to suppress the truth about oBummer. It wont work. The Genie is out of the bottle. It's only a matter of time before the facade fails completely and people will know that oBummer is just an America hating, Saudi King bowing, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan usurper dirt-bag lying fraud Chicago thug!

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JohnC
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

It's much easier to make an infantile statement than to address the law and facts on their merits. So I'm not surprised you're taking the easy way out – just let everyone else do the thinking while you sit back on your easy chair and spew angry invective.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:59 am

Just ask Phil Berg who the opposing attorneys are since September, 2008.
Also ask Dr. Orly Taitz the same question.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:03 am

Thanks.

I don’t expect to convince those who don’t have any sincere interest in researching the law and history to see if their conspiracy beliefs or esoteric, half-baked legal theories check out with reality. Captainsteve, for example, tends to get off on throwing every imbecilic barb he can think of against Obama and anyone who doesn’t think our President is the Antichrist. He lacks a sense of inquiry, humility, deceny or shame, and is beyond help.

But I do think the facts should be there for those who are actually interested in getting the whole picture.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:04 am

Considering that Pres. Obama has indeed released his birth certificate, what does your question have to do with the discussion at hand?


captainsteve
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:13 am

ditto Craigslist moron


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:18 am

Again, nothing but angry, empty taunts. No substance.


captainsteve
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:22 am

ditto again, moron. you don't get it do you? no wonder you worship a dirt-bag fraud.


Antibirther
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Waaa, waaaa, waaaa,


Antibirther
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:30 am

Hey, ding dong. He is talking about a birther from Hawaii requesting and receiving a long form from the state with this years date on it.

Let's see one. we're waiting . . . . . .


Antibirther
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:32 am

Just say “ni66er” We all know that's what you mean.


Antibirther
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:37 am

And if you don't get what you want? what are you going to do, burn a cross on the white house lawn?


Antibirther
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Just admit it, oldmagicman666, You only believe that old white protestant men should be president. Everyone else is either a Jew, a nigger, or a commie bastard.

Or worse, a Catholic. . . .


Anonymous
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:48 am

His birth certificate was not shown. Only his certificate of live birth,
which means nothing and was even a forgery , since it says under Father’s
Race: African, which is not a race. It is like saying I am a North American
race, or Antartican race. I have met whites born in S. Africa and Rhodesia.
Ask your friend Obama to show the evidence of his eligibility and this will
all go away. Go to : Obamacrimes.com and read what this is all about.


Adam
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:48 am

Both Obama and his sister formerly maintained that he was born at Queens.

What is so troubling about releasing his college admission records? And, as stated earlier, there are serious gaps and inconsistencies in the personal history he has provided. Recall, as well, the 'Joe the Plumber' debacle, where the press though nothing wrong about reporting the ILLEGALLY-OBTAINED personal records of Wurzelbacher. No such penetrating investigative journalism, where Obama is concerned. If the press obtained the Kerry and Bush academic records WITHOUT these men's consent, as you claim, why haven't they done this with Mr Obama?

Of course, there is a simple explanation for this. The media-telecom sector (owners of the newspapers and networks, as well as the reporters' masters) were major donors to Obama's $700M+ campaign fund. Why would they allow negative news coverage of their bought-and-paid-for politician? Examples of this were the ACORN story (quashed by the NY Times), Obama's protocol-breaching bow to Saudi despot Abdullah (completely self-sensored by the press), and Obama's numerous and sub-Dan Quayle moments of idiocy (“57 States”, “I don't speak Austrian”, &c.). Add to this recent memories of that hillarious Dan Rather letter fraud, and you can see why fewer and fewer people are taking the mainstream media seriously.

To reiterate: there were legitimate concerns about McCain's eligibility, which were investigated, with McCain providing all of his relevant records. The Calero case demonstrates why there has to be a formal, federal and mandatory procedure for Presidential elligibility verification.

Dismissing every question about The One as 'crazy', or 'bullshit' is rather shrill, don't you think?


Adam
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:53 am

This is relevant, in that it demonstrates an utter lack of verification. An ineligible candidate shouldn't even get onto a BALLOT. Also, photo voter identification should be required, PERIOD. This is done in Canada, with nobody complaining that such a thing is somehow 'racist'.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:08 am

His birth certificate was not shown. Only his certificate of live birth,
which means nothing

A Hawaiian COLB is a Hawaiian birth certicate. It’s just not the document you prefer. The long form, however, has been relegated to factual support for what is put on the COLB. It is not formally issued by Hawaii any longer. Since Hawaii does not issue any other legal birth certificate, by saying that the COLB “means nothing” is to say that Hawaiians are unable to obtain legal proof of their birth.

since it says under Father’s Race: African, which is not a race. It is like saying I am a North American race, or Antartican race.

It’s not that bizarre. White people in this country normally have to describe themselves as “Caucasians” even though most have never been to the Caucuses or anywhere near Central Asia. Chinese and Japanese people are often described as Asian, which of course is also a landmass, not an inherent characteristic. Similarly, people we used to describe as “Indians” are now referred to as Native Americans – another race also described in terms of geographic location. It only stands to reason that a black man from Africa would be characterized as “African” in a state where there were few black people, let alone Africans, to begin with.


aarrgghh
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:11 am

everyone has their role to play. mine, when i have the time, is to emulate jefferson, who said:

ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.”

people like birfers, who loudly persist in being willfully ignorant, are deserving of nothing but contempt.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 1:18 am

You're not doing your side any favors by acting like a petulant little child.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 2:54 am

I voted for Barack Hussein Obama Jr. in the Demcomm primary to be sure the Rotten Rodham did not get the nod! You left one out.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:02 am

One more time JohnC, read the letter John Jay wrote George Washington dealing with the Natural Born requirement for President and see if your understanding of Natural Born, fits John Jay's. You remember John Jay don't you? The first Supreme Court Justice.


swimkin
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:14 am

I live in NY State and you are corrrect. NY State allowed Calero ON THE BALLOt through the state as a President elect. This is NOT the same thing as writing in a candidate's name!


swimkin
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:20 am

If Obama was really born in HI in 1957 then he was not born in the USA at the time. He would have been born in USA territory. HI became a state in 1959. So that would mean he would be ineligible to be POTUS. Interesting that his age is listed as 51 on MySpace.

Maybe this is why he refuses to show his long form birth certificate?


mantis
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:36 am

Ah, the always reliable MySpace evidence. Seriously, don't you ever find yourself embarrassed by your stupidity? No, obviously not.


mantis
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:39 am

Here's what he wrote:

Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

As opposed to naturalized citizens. Get it? The purpose was as “a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration.” That means no foreigners who became citizens. There are only two types of citizens in the United States, natural born or naturalized. Obama is natural born. Get over it.


texasaggie
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:49 am

Here are some amendments to the birfer bill.

1. Any born again candidates must show both birth certificates.
2. All candidates will submit to a DNA analysis to show that there were no semiaquatic reptiles in their ancestry.
3. Only birth certificates that specifically say “Long Form Birth Certificate” will be acceptable. “Certificate of Birth, Certificate of Live Birth, Birth Certificate” and other such misnomers shall be considered invalid.


mantis
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:55 am

Both Obama and his sister formerly maintained that he was born at Queens.

You can keep lying, but that won't make it true.

What is so troubling about releasing his college admission records?

Nothing. Why should he?

And, as stated earlier, there are serious gaps and inconsistencies in the personal history he has provided.

Not really, no.

If the press obtained the Kerry and Bush academic records WITHOUT these men's consent, as you claim, why haven't they done this with Mr Obama?

Well, the New Yorker got ahold of three years of Bush's Yale transcripts through unknown sources in 1999, and actually Kerry did release his, but only because they were part of his Navy file that he finally released after the election. Politicians are never anxious to talk about the grades they got when they were undergraduates. I don't blame them.

Of course, there is a simple explanation for this.

Well, yes, but your nutty conspiracy theory ain't it.

there were legitimate concerns about McCain's eligibility

Not really, but at least he was born in a different country.

The Calero case demonstrates why there has to be a formal, federal and mandatory procedure for Presidential elligibility verification.

No, it doesn't.

Dismissing every question about The One as 'crazy', or 'bullshit' is rather shrill, don't you think?

Not when it comes to birthers, I don't.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:55 am

I'm with mantis on this one. There is simply nothing in the text of John Jay's letter that logically requires that both parents of a natural born citizen also be citizens. Perhaps you think that's what that letter should imply, but the text of the letter itself doesn't require it. Furthermore, Jay does not cite Vattel, natural law, or anything at all about the nationality of one's parents that would suggest that was what he meant.

A perfectly reasonable interpretation is that Jay did not want a foreigner to become a president by any means, even naturalization. So only those who were citizens by the unchangeable fact of their birth could serve as president.


texasaggie
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:58 am

Considering that Mr. Obama was indeed born in the US to an American mother (you aren't one of the 10% that don't realize that Hawaii is a state, are you?), he in fact is a natural born American. And nowhere does it specify that being born in a territory of the US precludes you from citizenship. Under your definition, a Puerto Riquenian is not a US citizen even though they pay US taxes and vote in US elections and carry US passports.


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texasaggie
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:01 am

For what it's worth, the UK does not look kindly on people born abroad and they have to jump through a bunch of hoops in order to get British citizenship even if their parents are British citizens. This is to prevent a lot of members of the British Commonwealth from obtaining British passports and living in Britain.


texasaggie
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:02 am

Yes, it has. Also the credentials of the “experts” that the wrong wing is quoting have come under serious question.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:23 am

Want a stretch? In 1957 his mama gave birth to him at 13 and it was not registered on count of her young age. In 1961 she had her second child and it died shortly after birth so they let the 4 year old take over the newborns birth certificate. Now that would be a story! Why did he post his age on MySpace as 52 and not scrub it as soon as the mistake was noticed? What's up with the 52 post? This whole thing is stranger than fiction. So many questions and absolutely no answers only more and more questions. One last point, what if Malcolm Little was the father of both children and listed on the 1961 BC?


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JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:54 am

Want a stretch? In 1957 his mama gave birth to him at 13 and it was not registered on count of her young age. In 1961 she had her second child and it died shortly after birth so they let the 4 year old take over the newborns birth certificate.

Why not? That's essentially what Leo Donofrio thinks Chester Arthur did to get into the White House. Apparently, it's a time-honored tradition in this country.

Why did he post his age on MySpace as 52 and not scrub it as soon as the mistake was noticed?

Maybe because he didn't post it to begin with, and nobody who has anything to do with the site knows or cares about your theories.

One last point, what if Malcolm Little was the father of both children and listed on the 1961 BC?

Then we can all rest easily, knowing that there is not the slightest reason for doubting that Obama is a natural born citizen.


Adam
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:09 am

Barack and his sister DID state, some time ago, that he was born at Queens. I know you don't like those 'nutty birfers' [sic], but put your ad hominem prejudices aside for a moment and have a look at this:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=103306

Nobody particularilly cares what university grades Mr My America Has 57 States got. Rather, it's his ADMISSION RECORDS and scholarship history (not the highschool transcript part, but the citizenship portion) that are of legitimate interest to the public. Also, aren't you the least bit curious about which corporate interests Mr Transparency and Openness is beholden too (especially, those conected to the Daley mob)?

As for my “nutty conspiracy theory”, the investment of media-telecom companies in the Obama-Biden campaign is no secret. Not some grand socialist plot, but things like getting the Bush FCC's whitespace spectrum reallocation decision overturned. (This was a multibillion dollar blow to these firms' future revenues.)


ISUer
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:30 am

This issue can be put to rest relatively easily if we follow a few logical steps–completely painless, believe me.

—-Logical Progression—–

1.) Men are biologically and physically incapable of giving birth to human children.

2.) Stanley Ann Dunham was an American citizen.

3.) Hawaii has been a state since August 21, 1959, when it was officially admitted to the Union.

4.) Both Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama, Sr. attended the University of Hawaii between 1960 and 1962 (college records and other information available at “www.hawaii.edu”and other sources prove this.)

5.) Stanley Ann Dunham moved to the Seattle, WA area in 1962 to continue her studies on the mainland, closer to family. Numerous accounts from the University and from old friends and relatives of Dunham who still live today can confirm this.

6.) Dunham returned to Hawaii (where she divorced her husband, Obama Senior) after approximately 2 years in Washington State. She shortly met Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian national, at the University of Hawaii. They were married in 1966 in Hawaii, where Dunham recieved her B.S degree in 1967. Multiple state records in Hawaii and Washington are fully capable of proving this.

7.) The Suharto Regime came to power during 1967; all Indonesian citizens living abroad were made to return home.

8.) Not wanting to split the family, Stanley Ann Dunham moved herself and her children to follow her husband to Indonesia, when he was recalled in 1967.

9.) It is extraordinarily unlikely that Stanley Ann Dunham would have been able to leave the country to travel to Kenya at age 18 (when she gave birth to Obama) without financial support or other assistance from her parents, who were opposed to her marriage to begin with (on racial grounds). Obama Senior's parents were opposed for similar reasons, and would not have wanted Dunham to stay with them, at the time.

10.) At no point before 1967 did Stanley Ann Dunham leave the United States of America to travel abroad, even if she had wanted to, this would have been largely impossible, and probably undesirable.

11.) Presumably Lolo Soetoro did not give birth to Barack Obama—even if he could , we would have a president with Asian American features, not African American.

12.) Official Hawaii'n records indicate Barack Obama Sr. was living in Hawaii and studying there as early as 1959, the year Hawaii became a state (although Hawaii had already been a territory for decades).

13.) Barack Obama Sr. would have been unable to return home due to financial reasons (he was on scholarship), as well as family issues.

If we accept the above information to be true (by no means do you have to take my word for it, all this information came from numerous legitimate sources, including public archives that can be accessed legally online), then it would appear that between 1959 and 1967 neither of Obama's parents were living or even travelling outside the United States. Secondly, it is highly unlikely that his mother would have been able to travel to Kenya, develop a relationship with Barack Obama Sr. , and give birth to Barack Obama at the age of 17. In this manner, we see that unless Obama is younger than 42, he could not have been born outside the United States. There is absolutely no question that Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. are his parents, this is evident not only in numerous government and private records, but also in his physical appearance (Afro-European physical features). He is too old to be born in Indonesia (he would appear very noticeably younger if he was in his late thirties or very early forties), and as such, we must accept that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, which was a state at the time of his birth, and a legitimate territory for years before it.

There is nothing wrong with criticizing a president for doing a poor job, but for the sake of our country and what it stands for, find something of greater substance to complain about than our president's allegedly foreign place of birth—this whole theory is completely and utterly unfounded; based entirely on wild speculation by people who do not care if Obama was born in this country or not: they just want a reason to hate him. No birth certificate will ever appear legitimate to the more extreme members of the far-right—they will never accept anything as the truth, and as a result, they will never find it.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

Go to Obamacrimes.com and watch the video by the Phd in computor generated
documents who said that there are 4 things wrong with the colb posted by
Obama. African is not a race. In 1961 the term anywhere would have been
negro or negroid, not African. The person who made up this COLB got caught
up in their own political correctness. I enjoy your comments.


DWB!
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

I like this quote, It was written by a “Birther”, He signed the Constitution.

“If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of
servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We seek not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and
lick the hand that feeds you and may posterity forget that
ye were once our countrymen.”— Samuel Adams


DWB!
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

Re; “advice: don’t believe everything you read on the internet.”
I am truly amazed why you believe that internet picture file of Obama’s Birth certificate is authentic.
Behind the John Deer Manure Spreader is not the place to be standing.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Go to Obamacrimes.com and watch the video by the Phd in computor generated documents who said that there are 4 things wrong with the colb posted by Obama.

I’ve seen Polarik’s extensive analysis on the COLB, whether of the images provided online or of the FactCheck.org photos of the COLB. I have to say that I’m overwhelmed by the detail of Polarik’s review, but underwhelmed by his resultant analysis. My favorite part is where he says that the FactCheck.org photo is suspicious because the letters above and below the fold are line with each other. Of course, a person standing back and looking at the photo as a whole will notice that the paper in the image extends from directly in front of the camera to well out to the side, which, as anyone with experience with wide-angled lenses knows, will distort the perspectives we are accustomed to when viewing an object directly with our own eyes. In other words, tons of over-analysis and precious little common sense.

In 1961 the term anywhere would have been negro or negroid, not African.

Actually, that’s simply not true. Go back and search in Google Books for publications during the 1950s and early 1960s, and you’ll find that references to the “African” race frequently come up.

Courts and statutes of the time also frequently used the term. Here is just a small sampling of the many such cases you can find just from the 1950s and early 1960s (let alone throughout American history):

To effectuate such purpose, the parties covenated and agreed with each other that none of them or their successors would ever sell their property in the block to any person of the Negro or African race.

Jones v. Medlock, 180 F.2d 658, 659 (10th Cir. Okla. 1950)

The principles set forth in Orleans Parish School Board v. Bush, and Dawson v. Mayor and City Council of Baltimore City are not confined to opinions in the Federal Reporter. Harvey v. Morgan is a Texas case that is strikingly similar to the instant case. The Texas Penal Code prohibited ‘any fistic combat match boxing, sparring or wrestling contest or exhibition between any person of the Caucasian or ‘White’ race and one of the African or ‘Negro’ race’.

Dorsey v. State Athletic Com., 168 F. Supp. 149, 152 (D. La. 1958)

The appellants here were defendants below, and their assignment of error based upon the court’s consideration of certain matters upon the ground that they were not raised by their own pleadings below is without merit. The issue was raised by plaintiff in Paragraph III of her complaint in which it is alleged that: “* * * the School Board did not wish to permit any more members of the Negro or African Race to attain teaching tenure under the laws and statutes of the State of Arizona.”

Chesley v. Jones, 81 Ariz. 1, 4 (Ariz. 1956)

This case was decided on demurrers to an amended petition, as amended, filed by plaintiffs wherein they allege ownership of four lots in block 11 of Oak Park Addition to Oklahoma City, which they occupied as a homestead; that in 1926 they entered into a written contract with certain other property owners in said block wherein it was covenanted that no owner, his heirs, successors or assigns should sell, lease or give away any property in said block to any person of the Negro or African race.

Correll v. Earley, 205 Okla. 366, 368 (Okla. 1951)

The deed also contained the following further covenants and restrictions:

“It is covenanted and agreed that the above described premises shall never be conveyed or leased to any person of the African or Negro race. It is further covenanted and agreed that no structure shall be erected on the premises nearer to inner line of sidewalk than 25 feet…”

Dunlap v. Beaty, 239 S.C. 196, 201 (S.C. 1961)

The foregoing article of our Code of Criminal Procedure does not provide for quashing an indictment against a Negro because it was found by a grand jury from which all persons of the African race had been excluded because of their race or color. Yet such a procedure to quash has been held to be a timely mode of presenting the objection, under the Constitution and laws of the United States, as set forth by appellant’s able attorneys. However, I do not think these racial discriminatory cases cited by appellant are in point here.

McClelland v. State, 373 S.W.2d 674, 683 (Tex. Crim. App. 1964)


aarrgghh
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

dwb!: “i am truly amazed why you believe that internet picture file of obama’s birth certificate is authentic.”

because you are truly a moron.

no one has proven obama’s bc is not authentic.

and i’ll believe hawaii’s duly appointed health dept officials and republican governor before i believe some anonymous sore losers posting crap on the interwebs.

so come see me after you prove your case in court — then we’ll talk.

until then, you’re just wasting your breath.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Here again are images of what Hawaiian “Long Form” Certificates of Live Birth look like.

Here is one side by side with Obama’s “CertiFICATION”. Read the names of each of the documents at the top and centered. One says certificate and the other says certification.

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/birth-cert-small.jpg

Here is another side by side with the one on the left being an original from 1961 and the alleged 2007 computer generated COLB for Obama on the right.

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/birth-cert-small.jpg

A blank one.

http://www.rewardforobamasbirthcertificate.com/images/colb.jpg

Some guy named Alan 1963

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

One of the Nordyke twins from 1961 (a day after Obama)

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/090728birthcert.gif

An anonymous one from 1978. Yep still using the long form in 1978!

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiinBirthCertificate.jpg

Only doctor signed birth certificate yet to surface for Obama but this could be a forgery.

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/images/birthcertificate.jpg

Oh wait, here is one signed by a Doctor Igor. Probably not genuine but more authentic than the COLB thing offered by the Obamaphiles.

http://countusout.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/obama-birth-certificate-satire-cpanel271.jpg

Oh, yes, and then there is this “Certification” from 2007 which has not been seen or handled outside of any of the Obama friendly sources that have posted different versions using scans and digital photos posted on line. This is all Obama has ever offered as proof that he was born on US soil. Notice there is no mention of a hospital or the name of any attending physician. Hawaii has now admitted that an original long form exists or have lied and said there is one when there isn’t. Since it has never been posted or released by Obama, there is no way to know what it might say. But here is what Obama’s people offer. Again, Obama’s alleged “CertificATION”of Live Birth (probably a forgery)

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/bo-birth-certificate.jpg

And just so you can all know. Here is an image of what John McCain produced when asked to prove he was eligible to run for POTUS. A copy of his long form. From a U.S. military hospital in the U.S. controlled Panama Canal Zone where he was born of two (2) U.S. citizens. You can actually see all that information right there on the LONG FORM.

http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_Certificate_1_1936x2.jpg

Alien BC

http://www.miskalex.org/LJstuff/Obama%20Birth%20Certificate.png


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

Here again are images of what Hawaiian “Long Form” Certificates of Live Birth look like.

Here is one side by side with Obama’s “CertiFICATION”. Read the names of each of the documents at the top and centered. One says certificate and the other says certification.

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/birth-cert-small.jpg

Here is another side by side with the one on the left being an original from 1961 and the alleged 2007 computer generated COLB for Obama on the right.

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/birth-cert-small.jpg

A blank one.

http://www.rewardforobamasbirthcertificate.com/images/colb.jpg

Some guy named Alan 1963

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

One of the Nordyke twins from 1961 (a day after Obama)

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/090728birthcert.gif

An anonymous one from 1978. Yep still using the long form in 1978!

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiinBirthCertificate.jpg

Only doctor signed birth certificate yet to surface for Obama but this could be a forgery.

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/images/birthcertificate.jpg

Oh wait, here is one signed by a Doctor Igor. Probably not genuine but more authentic than the COLB thing offered by the Obamaphiles.

http://countusout.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/obama-birth-certificate-satire-cpanel271.jpg

Oh, yes, and then there is this “Certification” from 2007 which has not been seen or handled outside of any of the Obama friendly sources that have posted different versions using scans and digital photos posted on line. This is all Obama has ever offered as proof that he was born on US soil. Notice there is no mention of a hospital or the name of any attending physician. Hawaii has now admitted that an original long form exists or have lied and said there is one when there isn’t. Since it has never been posted or released by Obama, there is no way to know what it might say. But here is what Obama’s people offer. Again, Obama’s alleged “CertificATION”of Live Birth (probably a forgery)

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/bo-birth-certificate.jpg

And just so you can all know. Here is an image of what John McCain produced when asked to prove he was eligible to run for POTUS. A copy of his long form. From a U.S. military hospital in the U.S. controlled Panama Canal Zone where he was born of two (2) U.S. citizens. You can actually see all that information right there on the LONG FORM.

http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_Certificate_1_1936x2.jpg

Alien BC

http://www.miskalex.org/LJstuff/Obama%20Birth%20Certificate.png


Antibirther
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 11:00 am

I bet you actually think that you vote for the president.

Look up electoral college.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

That is very interesting and comprehensive, but actually doesn’t respond to the central issue here. These are interesting documents from various personal collection.

But if any of these people asked for their “birth certificate” today from the Hawaii Department of Health, would they be given the Certification of Live Birth, or the old long form? You can analyze the name of the document all you want, but it is of no legal consequence – Hawaii statutes use the term “birth certificate,” not “certificate of live birth” or “certification of live birth.” So you’re arguing over irrelevant details, not substantive issues.

Janice Okubo says that today such person would be given the Certification of Live Birth. Birthers claim, however, that the State of Hawaii would give them a copy of the old long form “Certificate of Live Birth,” but not one person has stepped forward to prove that claim.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Hey bug. When was the last time I told you to fuck off?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Hey bug. When was the last time I told you to fuck off?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

That “short form only” policy only came about since about this time last year. Are you aware of that? All long forms are now sealed and kept secret from anyone, including people trying to get a copy of their own original long form. This is so officials can say that it is a blanket policy applying to everyone. Except for native indigenous Hawaiians who are, or were until very recently required to produce a copy of the original long form for use in applying for special government programs for them only. Go check it out. The long forms are still on hand and copies could be made. Okubo confirmed that the original paper is still on hand. It is all a ruse. Until the Obama birth question came up, anyone could make a special request for a photocopy of their original long form and pay a photocopy service fee and get it. Until this last year. The “checksafe” lines on Obama’s alleged COLB don’t match those of a confirmed real one. It is a forgery. Hawaiian officials will not confirm that they issued one to Obama on the date shown. If so, show me where they confirmed sending THAT particular COLB with THAT DATE to him. You can’t do it because they didn’t send it and have never confirmed that they did. If they did, there would be a record of THAT fact in their files. Hell, they won’t even venture to say which hospital they saw on his form or that it even states a hospital name. AND, no hospital has claimed that he was born in their facility. Let alone attending physician. Nobody claims to have been present at his birth. (Except his step-grandmother in Kenya who said he was born there, in her presence.) Again, we aren’t trying to get Barry into Little League. The original needs to be shown and would be shown, if it existed. Sadly, it doesn’t. Apparently.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

That “short form only” policy only came about since about this time last year. Are you aware of that? All long forms are now sealed and kept secret from anyone, including people trying to get a copy of their own original long form. This is so officials can say that it is a blanket policy applying to everyone. Except for native indigenous Hawaiians who are, or were until very recently required to produce a copy of the original long form for use in applying for special government programs for them only. Go check it out. The long forms are still on hand and copies could be made. Okubo confirmed that the original paper is still on hand. It is all a ruse. Until the Obama birth question came up, anyone could make a special request for a photocopy of their original long form and pay a photocopy service fee and get it. Until this last year. The “checksafe” lines on Obama’s alleged COLB don’t match those of a confirmed real one. It is a forgery. Hawaiian officials will not confirm that they issued one to Obama on the date shown. If so, show me where they confirmed sending THAT particular COLB with THAT DATE to him. You can’t do it because they didn’t send it and have never confirmed that they did. If they did, there would be a record of THAT fact in their files. Hell, they won’t even venture to say which hospital they saw on his form or that it even states a hospital name. AND, no hospital has claimed that he was born in their facility. Let alone attending physician. Nobody claims to have been present at his birth. (Except his step-grandmother in Kenya who said he was born there, in her presence.) Again, we aren’t trying to get Barry into Little League. The original needs to be shown and would be shown, if it existed. Sadly, it doesn’t. Apparently.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

That “short form only” policy only came about since about this time last year.

Okay, so prove it then. Find someone who obtained a long form birth certificate as an official Hawaii birth certificate as recently as last year, and then we may have something to talk about.

Except for native indigenous Hawaiians who are, or were until very recently required to produce a copy of the original long form for use in applying for special government programs for them only.

Do you not understand why the Hawaii Department of Home Lands had such a requirement? It had nothing to do with whether the COLB was reliable, and everything to with the scope of information provided on the COLB.

The Hawaii Department of Home Lands provides lands for people who are ETHNICALLY Hawaiian. The COLB, which is good for practially any purpose relating to birth, simply wasn’t designed to provide information about a person’s ethnic heritage. The long form is a source of information about a person’s heritage which supplements the person’s COLB in this regard.

Last time I checked, however, the Constitution had no ethnic requirements that would render the COLB insufficient to demonstrate a person’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

Until the Obama birth question came up, anyone could make a special request for a photocopy of their original long form and pay a photocopy service fee and get it.

But that doesn’t mean it is or was an official birth certificate. It is an important historical document to be sure, but nowadays it is not issued by Hawaii upon request for a legal “birth certificate.”

Hawaiian officials will not confirm that they issued one to Obama on the date shown.

The fact is, no official of the State of Hawaii has said, or suggested, that the COLB presented by the Obama campaign was anything but legitimate.

Hell, they won’t even venture to say which hospital they saw on his form or that it even states a hospital name.

They are not legally permitted to divulge any information about an individual’s birth certificate. In all likelihood, even the statement that Obama’s long form was held in compliance with Hawaii statutes is close to crossing the line.

Nobody claims to have been present at his birth. (Except his step-grandmother in Kenya who said he was born there, in her presence.)

She never said she Obama was born in Kenya. She was asked if she was present at his birth, and, misunderstanding the question, she merely said, “Yes.” When the interviewer then asked to her to confirm his understanding that Obama was born in Kenya, she realized she misunderstood the question and said, affirmatively, that Obama was born in Hawaii. What part of that do you not get? (Or not want to get?)


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

That “short form only” policy only came about since about this time last year.

Okay, so prove it then. Find someone who obtained a long form birth certificate as an official Hawaii birth certificate as recently as last year, and then we may have something to talk about.

Except for native indigenous Hawaiians who are, or were until very recently required to produce a copy of the original long form for use in applying for special government programs for them only.

Do you not understand why the Hawaii Department of Home Lands had such a requirement? It had nothing to do with whether the COLB was reliable, and everything to with the scope of information provided on the COLB.

The Hawaii Department of Home Lands provides lands for people who are ETHNICALLY Hawaiian. The COLB, which is good for practially any purpose relating to birth, simply wasn’t designed to provide information about a person’s ethnic heritage. The long form is a source of information about a person’s heritage which supplements the person’s COLB in this regard.

Last time I checked, however, the Constitution had no ethnic requirements that would render the COLB insufficient to demonstrate a person’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

Until the Obama birth question came up, anyone could make a special request for a photocopy of their original long form and pay a photocopy service fee and get it.

But that doesn’t mean it is or was an official birth certificate. It is an important historical document to be sure, but nowadays it is not issued by Hawaii upon request for a legal “birth certificate.”

Hawaiian officials will not confirm that they issued one to Obama on the date shown.

The fact is, no official of the State of Hawaii has said, or suggested, that the COLB presented by the Obama campaign was anything but legitimate.

Hell, they won’t even venture to say which hospital they saw on his form or that it even states a hospital name.

They are not legally permitted to divulge any information about an individual’s birth certificate. In all likelihood, even the statement that Obama’s long form was held in compliance with Hawaii statutes is close to crossing the line.

Nobody claims to have been present at his birth. (Except his step-grandmother in Kenya who said he was born there, in her presence.)

She never said she Obama was born in Kenya. She was asked if she was present at his birth, and, misunderstanding the question, she merely said, “Yes.” When the interviewer then asked to her to confirm his understanding that Obama was born in Kenya, she realized she misunderstood the question and said, affirmatively, that Obama was born in Hawaii. What part of that do you not get? (Or not want to get?)


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

You must be a NON-REG.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Well, there you have it!


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

Too bad that didn't work. You hardly see an Englishman in London these days.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

Well, to clear all this up, perhaps Obama's people should turn that alleged COLB that they have posted images of, over to the Federal Election Commission for analysis by a bi-partisan, senate committee approved, panel of document experts.

And while they are at it, they could request/order that Hawaii provide whatever ORIGINAL records for Obama are held by the Vital Statistics office. If there is anything there, it should make for some very interesting reading. We can't get the original BC from Kenya now. The Kenyan government “intelligence” agency raided the files in 2004 and took all birth records from 1961 out in boxes, returning them a month later. (Well, all but one I should imagine.) What an odd thing for them to do.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

Or in the case of Obama as “Chief Executive”, it is a case of the fox guarding the hen house.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

544 cowards protecting one scoundrel.


swimkin
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

There are 31 members in NY State and they are ALL party shills on both sides of the aisle. (The democrats are mostly made up of members of our current state legislature, and they also include both Gov. Paterson, and our Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo.) Since our Republican party usually has no say in the presidential elections in my state I have no idea who they are.

No I don't think ANY of us have much choice any longer who is president. They are culled by corporate, lobbyist and elitist greed. Whoever gets the
most money these days wins. And that money comes from those who expect pay back after their nominee gets elected.

So It is no surprise that the top contributers to BOTH presidential campaigns were the same ones that were from those who were bailout recipients, banks and financial institutions and mainstream media moguls.
The following individuals contributed at least $50,000 to federal candidates and parties during one or more election cycles while affiliated with the organization.

Contributor, Organization
Amstein, Peter Microsoft Corp
Andreas, Dwayne O. & Inez
Archer Daniels Midland
Andressen, Marc Time WarnerAppelman,
Barry Time Warner
Barksdale, James & Sally Time Warner
Benson, James M. & Marlene J. MetLife Inc
Bible, Geoffrey & Sara Philip Morris
Boggs, Timothy A. Time Warner
Brendsel, Leland & Diane Freddie Mac
Broad, Eli & Edy the American International Group
Bronfman, Edgar M. Jr. & Clarissa A. Vivendi
Cawley, Charles M. & Julie P. MBNA Corp
Chalsty, John S. & Jennifer A. Credit Suisse Group
Christie, Todd J. & Theresa M. Goldman Sachs
Cook, Daniel W. III & Gail B. Goldman Sachs
Corzine, Jon S. & JoAnne D. Goldman Sachs
Daly, Robert A & Carole Bayer Sager Time Warner
DeVos family Amway Corp
Dimon, James & Judith K Citigroup Inc
Fife, Eugene V. & Luann L Goldman Sachs
Flatley, Daniel K. Credit Suisse Group
Flom, Jason R. & Wendy K. Time Warner
Fogg, Joseph G. III & Leslie K. Morgan Stanley
Freidman, Stephen & Barbara B. Goldman Sachs
Gelb, Richard L. & Phyllis N. Bristol-Myers Squibb
Gilburne, Miles R Time Warner
Glenn, David W. & Cherie T. Freddie Mac
Godhwani, Anil & Jyoti Time Warner
Greenberg, Maurice “Hank” American International Group
Grubman, Jack B. & Luann Citigroup Inc
Hedley, David V. & Michele M. Credit Suisse Group
Heidorn, George E. Microsoft Corp
Heimbold, Charles A. & Monika A. Bristol-Myers Squibb
Hennessy, John M. & Margarita Credit Suisse Group
Hoglund, Forrest E. & Sally Enron Corp
Horn, Alan F. & Cindy H. Time Warner
Jaech, Jeremy & Linda Microsoft Corp
James, Hamilton E. & Amabel B. Credit Suisse Group
Johns, Paul M. Microsoft Corp
Kamen, Harry P. & Barbara MetLife Inc
Katzenberg, Jeffrey & Marilyn Walt Disney Co
Kimsey, James V. Time Warner
Lane, L. W. Jr. & Jean Time Warner
Lay, Kenneth L. & Linda P. Enron Corp
Leonsis, Ted J. & Lynn Time Warner
Lerner, Alfred & Norma MBNA Corp
Lewis, Drew & Marilyn Union Pacific Corp
Lindner family American Financial Group
Lindner, S. Craig & Frances R. American Financial Group
Lorentzen, Ruthann Microsoft Corp
Malcom, Ellen R. EMILY's List
Mattoon, Daniel J. & Jane BellSouth Corp
McDonnell, James S. III & Elizabeth H. Boeing Co
Menschel, Robert B. & Joyce F. Goldman Sachs
Meyer, Ronald M. Vivendi
Morris, Douglas P. Vivendi
Mulford, David C. & Jeannie S. Credit Suisse Group
Murphy, Philip D. & Tammy S. Goldman Sachs
Neidich, Daniel M. & Brooke G. Goldman Sachs
Olson, Lyndon L. Jr & Kathleen W. Citigroup Inc
Ostin, Morris & Evelyn Time Warner
Overlock, Willard J. & Katherine S. Goldman Sachs
Palmer, John N. & Clementine B. MCI Inc
Parsons, Richard D. & Laura Time Warner
Paul, Laurence E. Credit Suisse Group
Paulson, Henry M. Jr. & Wendy Goldman Sachs
Perlman, Stephen G. Microsoft Corp
Phillips, Earl N. Jr. & Sallie B. General Electric
Plumeri, Joseph J. & Nancy W. Citigroup Inc
Raikes, Jeffrey S. & Patricia Microsoft Corp
Reiner, Robert & Michelle S. Time Warner
Ross, Steven J. & Courtney S. Time Warner
Rubin, Robert E. & Judith O. Citigroup Inc
Rubin, Robert M. & Robin K. W. American International Group
Sacerdote, Peter M. & Bonnie L Goldman Sachs
Schreyer, William A. & Joan L. Merrill Lynch
Schwartz, Eric S. & Erica Goldman Sachs
Semel, Terry & Jane M. Time Warner
Shaw, Gregory L. Microsoft Corp
Shaye, Robert & Eva EMILY's List
Singer, Paul Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu
Skilling, Jeffrey K. & Susan L. Enron Corp
Spix, George A. Microsoft Corp
Taurel, Sidney & Kathryn Eli Lilly & Co
Tedrick, Thomas National Rifle Assn
Thain, John A. Goldman Sachs
Tobias, Randall L. & Marianne W. Eli Lilly & Co
Van Andel, Jay & Betty Amway Corp
Vermut, Stephan P. & Barbara T. Bank of America
Vradenburg, George & Patricia L. Time Warner
Wasserman, Lew R. & Edith Vivendi
Weinstein, Harvey & Eve Walt Disney Co
Weisel, Thomas W. Bank of America
Wellde, George W Jr. & Patrica A. Goldman Sachs
Wells, Frank G. & Luanne C. Walt Disney Co
Wigmore, Barrie A & Deedee Goldman Sachs
Winkelman, Mark O. & Dorinda P. Goldman Sachs
Witten, Richard E. & Elizabeth H. Goldman Sachs
Wood, Richard D. & Billie Lou Eli Lilly & Co

Obama got millions from people in the banking industry. He received $544,000 just from people associated with or employed by Goldman Sachs and that included top dollars from John Thane, (formerly Merrill Lynch CEO)

His top contributers in PACs were: Goldman Sach, UBS, Lehman Brothers, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Harvard U, Morgan Stanley, Google, AIG, Credit Suisse Group, IBM GE, etc.. Just a few who are benefiting from his presidency right now)

Also, if you never attended an Ivy League or one of our esteemed military universities you will never be able to be president of the USA these days. Harvard and the other elite colleges have deep pockets and fund their candidates heavily.

I am an Independent for a reason.

Our government is no longer a representative of the people. It only represents the elites and corporations with big bucks. Anyone who believes that either party supports their rights as an individual is delusional.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

You want substance John? You can't handle substance. Here again is a link to something substantial. This is an image of what a “long form” Hawaiian birth certificate looks like. We just want to see if your “Mombasa Messiah” has one like this. He doesn't you know. Admit it. You all know he has no Hawaiian birth certificate. He just doesn't. But here is what one would look like it he did.

http://www.rewardforobamasbirthcertificate.com/…

How's that for substance? Can't stand it can you?

Okay. Book him Danno!


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

I say, just burn Washington.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

“Considering that Mr. Obama was indeed born in the US…..”

Proof? Original document? What year? What town? What Hospital? What name? Delivering physician?

What? Where? How? Who? When? Who knows any of this for sure? That COLB at “FactCheck” is no proof of anything other than the “fact” that a facsimile of a COLB can be produced using Photoshop techniques and then images posted on the web.

Oh, and you forgot about the “fact” that Puerto Rico also enjoys the benefit of all of our federal welfare programs as well.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

I've never said that Obama doesn't have a long form birth certificate – I believe the State of Hawaii does have it on file, or at least an electronic copy thereof. Therefore, showing me what a long-form birth certificate looks like is of little persuasive value.

What is important is that, upon request for a “birth certificate,” Hawaii issues an electronically-generated Certification of Live Birth. This, in effect is the Hawaiian birth certificate as far as the law is concerned. If government agencies and the State Department will accept it, it's good enough for me.

What about the original long-form birth certificate? It is no longer issued by the state, but serves as a source of the historical data that is depicted on the COLB.

I don't see anything the slightest bit controversial about that. Hawaii has moved into the computer age, and now issues birth certificates in conformity with national standards. The original birth certificate is for historical curiosity and the factual record only, as it is no longer the official document issued by the state upon request.

Why is that so hard for you to accept?


mantis
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Barack and his sister DID state, some time ago, that he was born at Queens.

No, they didn't. As WND has nicely, if unintentionally, laid out there for us, the error stemmed from a school newsletter, and was then repeated by a couple of reporters, who corrected the errors. Obama never said he was born at Queens, and WND doesn't offer any evidence that he did. FAIL

Nobody particularilly cares what university grades Mr My America Has 57 States got. Rather, it's his ADMISSION RECORDS and scholarship history (not the highschool transcript part, but the citizenship portion) that are of legitimate interest to the public.

There is no question as to his citizenship among sane people (including a majority of voters, the Electoral College, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the Hawaii Department of Health, etc.). We don't need his school records to confirm what we already know to be true.

. Also, aren't you the least bit curious about which corporate interests Mr Transparency and Openness is beholden too (especially, those conected to the Daley mob)?

Actually, I think he's beholden to our new alien overlords, of course, crackpot birther.


mantis
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

I say, just burn some more crack, Randroid.


mantis
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

You've obviously never been to London, crackpot birther.


mantis
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

Who gives a fuck what you say?


mantis
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

Who gives a fuck what you say?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Mostly intelligent people.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Mostly intelligent people.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

The question was repeated twice for granny in her native language by a native speaker. She responded both times the same way, saying he was born there and she was present. It was another family member that kept interjecting at that point that he was born in Hawaii but she repeated that he was born there in Mombasa. In 2008, Kenyan government “intelligence” officers removed all the birth records from the year 1961 from the archives in boxes and returned them a month later. Minus one, I suspect. Last fall, the Kenyan Government issued a gag order preventing Obama family members from speaking with journalists and made the statement that Obama’s records were “sealed” until after the election. What records? What would there be there to seal?

The original birth certificates are the supporting documents for all computer generated “certifiCATIONS”. PERIOD. The COLB is a brief. It is the Cliff Note version of the original. And you are correct about it (long form) having a whole lot more information on it. Bingo! You got that right. That is why Obama needs to show one. Birthplace? Where was it? Which hospital? Sugar cane field? Mid-wife clinic? Taxi cab? Who were his parents? What was his given name? African or Negro? No, your computer COLB just doesn’t cut it.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

The question was repeated twice for granny in her native language by a native speaker. She responded both times the same way, saying he was born there and she was present. It was another family member that kept interjecting at that point that he was born in Hawaii but she repeated that he was born there in Mombasa. In 2008, Kenyan government “intelligence” officers removed all the birth records from the year 1961 from the archives in boxes and returned them a month later. Minus one, I suspect. Last fall, the Kenyan Government issued a gag order preventing Obama family members from speaking with journalists and made the statement that Obama’s records were “sealed” until after the election. What records? What would there be there to seal?

The original birth certificates are the supporting documents for all computer generated “certifiCATIONS”. PERIOD. The COLB is a brief. It is the Cliff Note version of the original. And you are correct about it (long form) having a whole lot more information on it. Bingo! You got that right. That is why Obama needs to show one. Birthplace? Where was it? Which hospital? Sugar cane field? Mid-wife clinic? Taxi cab? Who were his parents? What was his given name? African or Negro? No, your computer COLB just doesn’t cut it.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

But JohnC wouldn't that make our current POTUS a lying SOB?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

Which document has the most complete information about the birth? The original on file or the modern computer generated short form? Which one names the hospital and attending physician? Which one has a signature by a witness (doctor or hospital personnel) and stamp attesting to his birth? Which one has ever been seen by any civil authority? Why is it so hard for YOU to accept that these are the real questions here? Nobody CARES what Hawaii issues to people today to get a driver's license or play little league. They do want to know if Obama is telling the truth or lying about where he was really born. And a lot of other things.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Burn a lot of that stuff there in your government housing do ya?


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Sure, but like every other lying SOB who's ever occupied the White House, he'd have every right to be there as a natural born citizen.


Adam
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

Again, both Barack and Maya had stated that he was born in Queens. They straightened out their stories recently, settling on Kapi'olani. Obama wrote a letter to Kapi'olani, which that hospital briefly had up on their website. They will not confirm or deny his birth there. Of course, privacy laws are an issue. Of course, these are only an issue when it's not, say, George Dubya–the press somehow managed to get ahold of medical records, stating that he had a hemmorhoidectomy… :@

The Daley Outfit, Microsoft, HMOs (as opposed to fee-for-service insurers), pharmaceutical companies, unions and the media-telecom industry funded B.O.'s campaign. Mob-conected construction companies are getting much of that 'stimulus' pork, plus more warm bodies (to justify housing and associated infrastructure, like roads and schools), from loosened immigration laws. Microsoft gets a $20B medical records contract, plus Vista upgrades for the U.S. Forces. The HMOs won't have to worry about bad actuarial risks, IF the 'public option' is passed; they'll even make MORE money, if insurance coverage is mandatory. Pharmaceutical companies are getting their fill. Public service unions (i.e., the nice folks roughing-up people at those healthcare meetings) won't have to worry about privatization and school choice.

Interestingly, Obama and about 40% of the teachers in Chicago put their kids in PRIVATE schools. Something is also wrong with the picture, when the fancy-schmancy private school Malia and Sasha are in costs about the same to run, anually and per student, as a crappy DC-area public school.

The big beneficiaries of B.O.'s reign are the media companies. Overturning the Bush FCC's whitespace decision will put billions more into their revenue streams. You can forget about wireless broadband becoming faster and cheaper, now. Additionally, expect even more tightening of laws against filesharing and 'piracy' (really, this ought to be called 'copyright violations'). Little surprise, when Ane Hathaway offers free babysitting for the Obamas and Chris Matthews sounds like a creepy celebrity stalker over Obama–their bosses essentially TOLD them to act like gushy fools.


Adam
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

Very interesting–thanks for sharing this information!

The electoral system in Canada might be worth investigating. Corporate and union donations are absolutely banned, and individual donations are capped at just over $1K.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

From Randwulf -

Which document has the most complete information about the birth? The original on file or the modern computer generated short form? Which one names the hospital and attending physician? Which one has a signature by a witness (doctor or hospital personnel) and stamp attesting to his birth? Which one has ever been seen by any civil authority? Why is it so hard for YOU to accept that these are the real questions here? Nobody CARES what Hawaii issues to people today to get a driver's license or play little league. They do want to know if Obama is telling the truth or lying about where he was really born. And a lot of other things.

Whether or not Obama is a natural born citizen is a factual requirement that is proven through legally-sufficient means. What that means can be best described by how a person proves he is legally permitted to drive a car. For example, I am permitted to drive a car if I have passed a driving test and met other requirements. Although it would be ideal that I produce a copy of my written driving test with a note that I passed it, along with documents showing I successfully completed the driving portion of the test, these documents aren't necessary. Instead, the state has issued an official document, called a “driver's license,” which when submitted in a court of law is legally sufficient proof that such documents exist and support the claim that I have met the requirements for driving a car.

Similarly, it would be ideal that Obama acquire the original long form birth certificate and make it publicly-available in an attempt to address your concerns. Politically, however, he has already learned that issuing an official document in a good-faith effort address concerns about his past have only been met with unreasonable doubts. It is clear that he will gain no benefit from trying this a second time. Additionally, issuing a long form birth certificate legitimizes doubts that the official Certification of Live Birth somehow is unreliable. That is not a healthy contribution to the debate.

Finally, a legal matter, the COLB provides virtually all the information necessary for determining whether Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States – his date of birth and the location of his birth. The only thing which is missing is whether he has been a resident of the United States for 14 years, and no amount of information about his birth will answer that question. This document, like a driver's license, is prima facie evidence of Obama's birth in a court of law. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires some form of “factual proof” of Obama's birth when a legally valid document issued by the proper authority is designed to serve as proof thereof.

The only reason, then, to issue a long-form birth certificate is if one is willing to believe that the COLB is a forgery or that it was legitimately issued, but the information on it does not represent what is on the original long form. Those are wild claims made up in the minds of fervent birthers, but not deserving of official recognition. If birthers think the COLB is a fraud, it shouldn't be up to Obama to prove such wild accusations wrong, but up to birthers to take it to court and prove themselves correct.

Think of it this way. If someone came up to you and said that, despite the fact that you have a legitimate driver's license, it was obtained fraudulently, should you have to prove that person wrong, or should that person have to prove you wrong?


ISUer
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

sounds like a good system…it's only too bad that after all these years of corporate funding, most politicians would be politically and legally incapable of addressing this issue without losing all of their support…it's a feedback loop that will be virtually impossible to stop.


mantis
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

Again, both Barack and Maya had stated that he was born in Queens.

No they didn't, and you haven't provided any evidence that they did. You are a liar.

I'm not bothering to read and respond to the rest of your crazy ass bullshit.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

“Think of it this way. If someone came up to you and said that, despite the fact that you have a legitimate driver's license, it was obtained fraudulently, should you have to prove that person wrong, or should that person have to prove you wrong?”

Well. It that person happens to be a police officer, yes, you will have to go to court and prove him wrong. And if you are proven wrong, you will not have that driver's license any more. You will not be able to legally drive. In the case of Obama, we really need to have a police officer charge him with “presiding without proof of constitutional eligibility” and issued a citation for it. That way, we can get him into court with his proof of innocence or lack thereof. Too bad, it's a guy that Obama appointed that would have to be the one to do it. Kinda like a city cop giving the mayor (his boss) a speeding ticket.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

From Rundwulf –

The question was repeated twice for granny in her native language by a native speaker. She responded both times the same way, saying he was born there and she was present. It was another family member that kept interjecting at that point that he was born in Hawaii but she repeated that he was born there in Mombasa.

Let's roll tape:

MCRAE [investigator]: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE [Obama relative]: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

Let me repeat that for you. “Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.”

So, according to the translating relative, she stated expressly that he was born in Hawaii. Not once did she say he was “born in Kenya” or “born in Mombasa.” In fact, when McRae suggested that was what she was saying, she objected vociferously.

It is clear that either the grandmother, or the relative, or both, did not understand the precise meaning of the question “Was she present when he was born in Kenya?” “Present” where? It appears that they understood it as meaning “Were you in present in Kenya when he was born?” When McRae asked a question implying that Obama was born in Mombasa, she objected.

I just don't see any controversy in it. What we have is a person attempting to capitalize each and every mistake of people who have a poor understanding of English. I think it's cruel and exploitative.

The original birth certificates are the supporting documents for all computer generated “certifiCATIONS”. PERIOD. The COLB is a brief. It is the Cliff Note version of the original. And you are correct about it (long form) having a whole lot more information on it. Bingo! You got that right. That is why Obama needs to show one. Birthplace? Where was it? Which hospital? Sugar cane field? Mid-wife clinic? Taxi cab? Who were his parents? What was his given name? African or Negro? No, your computer COLB just doesn't cut it.

Regardless of which is short and which is long, which is detailed and which is perfunctory, it is the COLB which the State of Hawaii presently issues as the legal birth certificate. I'd say you'd have a better case if you could demonstrate that the State of Hawaii also issues the long form as the legal birth certicate, for which you could claim that Obama deliberately chose the short one to obfuscate. But under the law, Obama did not have a choice.

Perhaps if Obama could anticipate such criticisms of the COLB, he might have arranged to have the long form issued instead. (Although I'm sure we'd still have self-proclaimed sleuths attempting to show the long-form was a fraud.) But after the ridiculous and deranged attacks on a perfectly legitimate document issued by the State of Hawaii over the past year, Obama would be a political fool to attempt to further placate such critics and undermine the legitimacy of an official document. So, frankly, I think the birthers, through their sheer shrillness and over-reaching allegations, sealed the fate of their own demands.


JohnC
Comment posted August 27, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

Well. It that person happens to be a police officer, yes, you will have to go to court and prove him wrong.

That's simply not a correct statement of the law. When an official state document is prima facie evidence of the fact it purports to represent, that means the burden of proof is on the person challenging the document. (By statute, this is explicit law in the State of Hawaii.)

So the police officer would have to prove that the license is not legitimate or inaccurate. You, the driver need not do anything more than sit back and let him assail the document. If he fails, you go home – with your license intact.

As the COLB states on its face that it is “prima facie” evidence of one's birth, the same that holds true for a driver's license also holds true for the COLB.


Adam
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:30 am

The irony is that Liberal PM Jean 'Adscam' Chretien introduced it as a booby prize for arch-rival–and successor Liberal PM–Paul Martin. The Liberals basically shot themselves in the foot (they used to get much corporate funding) and the union-funded NDP snd Bloc Quebecois also got clobbered. The Aliance-cum-Conservative Party, which always lived on small donations, has raised a lot of dough under the new system.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Wooops! What's this?

http://i32.tinypic.com/281blzk.jpg


mantis
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Hilarious. Run with it, randroid!


Randwulf
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

In Texas and Colorado, a police officer can seize, on the spot, any DL he even thinks may possibly be a forgery or fraudulent in any way. He will issue a summons to the individual to appear in court. If that person appears with a letter from the Department of Revenue in Colorado, (Department of Public Safety I think in Texas) stating or certifying that the license was lawfully issued to that person, the judge will return the DL to that person and the charge will be dropped. Most police personnel these days have the ability to pull up your entire driving and/or criminal history in their patrol vehicle on their computer. If they see something that doesn't look right, they already have probable cause to proceed with a confiscation of a DL. Then it will be up to a judge if you go to court. “You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride.”

Did you know that the original BC is also called a COLB? It is the supporting original document for the computer generated COLB. The short form sent out today to people is an abbreviated form of the original, with a lot less information on it. Since “information” is Obama's arch enemy, the original can never be produced. If he tries to produce a forgery, it will cause a real fire-storm. He doesn't have an original to release, so he stonewalls in hopes that everyone will tire of the whole affair and quit asking. Living under suspicion in the White House is better than living in a 6 by 8 in Leavenworth. Go figure.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

LOL. there's one born every minute, and they have the Kenyan birth certificate to prove it.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

here is one better

http://minnesotaindependent.com/43131/obama-bir…


RedGraham
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

BHO's mother Stani Dunham was born in Kansas and later moved to Hawaii
with her parents. She started college there at age 17 and became
sexually active with the first & only biracial student who was a
part-Arab Kenyan-Brit named Obama. After first semester she was quite pregnant &
the two were married even though another wife was waiting in Africa.
That summer the newlyweds took a trip to Kenya when Stani was about
7mos. along. Although Grandma Obama claimed to have been present at
BHO's birth in Kenya the accepted account is that Stani was somehow
able to return to Honolulu in a DC3 propjob by August 4, 1961 & gave
birth to Junior(reportedly at one of 2 hospitals). Senior returned to
college there & Stani, who STILL wasn't a legal adult & Junior was 2wks, went off to the
state of Washington for the Fall semester. An image of a
Hawaiian COLB for BHO is available online which claims there at least
once was an original Birth Certificate on file there and that BC was
almost certainly from Hawaii(a state notorious for handing out COLBs to
those born elsewhere). At least two experts claim that COLB was tampered with or fake. Wasn't too long before the Obamas split-up. In a further attempt to make her parents proud young Stani went off to
Indonesia w/Junior, renounced her US citizenship & married another
moslem named Lolo Soetoro. Alledgedly Soetoro adopted young Barry so he
could attend school as an Indonesian-Moslem and learn to write his new
name in Arabic. About five years later ten-year-old Barry was sent to
temporarily stay with the Dunhams but they raised him to adulthood while
Stani had little sis Maya and proceeded to divorce Soetoro. It stands to reason BHO graduated from high school as Barry Soetoro. BHO's Indonesian citizenship allowed him to apply to Occidental College as a foreign student and also to get a passport to Pakistan. Many cases
have been brought against BHO challenging his eligibilty to even run for
president. The Supreme Court has refused to hear them for various reasons.
Why hasn't Obama/Soetoro counter-sued for libel? Probably because then
he would have to produce the documents and records in question with
whatever info it is he doesn't want made public.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Yawn – - –

Got anything new?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


Randwulf
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

How about this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


Daniel
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Don't even try to convince the birthers. Your wasting your time. They will never believe he is a citizen as long as he is half black. He made public his “short form” to prove he is a citizen and that wasn't enough for the birthers. They claim it is a fake. They will also claim the “longform” is a fake if he makes it public. Obama has the right strategy, keep the birthers in the public eye by not giving them anything else. It will keep most minorities voting Democratic for a while.

My question to the birthers, No president in history has even shown their short form birth certificate. Why does Obama have to show the long form? But, most of us know the answer. It's cause he is half black.

Bill Maher said it best. “Birthers, I'll show you Obama's long form when you show me Sarah Palin's high school diploma.”


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Adam
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 3:49 am

People are cruel and the media censors Obama's stupidity. Sarah Palin isn't any dumber than B.O. BHO Sr. was a pretty smart guy, but his son didn't seem to get THOSE genes. B.O. seems to think that the U.S. has 57 states, the capital of Canada is Iowa, that 'Austrian' is a language and that it's okay for Presidents of the Republic of the United States of America to BOW to a misogynist, terrorist-funding Bedouin king in a bernoose. Conversly, people (mostly women) hate Michelle Obama and think she's 'homely'–she's no Kerry Washington, but neither is Sarah Palin no Kate Beckinsale. Both are pleasant-looking, bright, successful women, with nice legs and appalling taste in husbands.

Also, B.O. isn't any more 'black' than he is 'white'. About 70% of Black Americans have Caucasian blood and over 20% of White Americans have some African ancestry. By your Jim Crow standards, there probably already WAS a 'black' President.

At any rate, that Bill Maher quote simply goes to show what a joke the 'mainstream' mass media outlets are, when it comes to unbiased news reporting. Maher, Matthews, Cooper et al are just paid propagandists of the companies that funded the $700M Obama-Biden campaign. When the 'respectable' news outlets become so patently biased, people will turn to the less-than-respectable ones in disgust and mistrust. After that hillarious Dan Rather/George Bush letter fraud a while ago, even supermarket tabloids seem more trustworthy.


JohnC
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 4:22 am

In Texas and Colorado, a police officer can seize, on the spot, any DL he even thinks may possibly be a forgery or fraudulent in any way. He will issue a summons to the individual to appear in court. If that person appears with a letter from the Department of Revenue in Colorado, (Department of Public Safety I think in Texas) stating or certifying that the license was lawfully issued to that person, the judge will return the DL to that person and the charge will be dropped.

In such a proceeding, the only question is whether the purported license is in fact what it purports to be – an official document. Temporarily seizing the purported license is a lawful use of the state's inherent police powers, especially in connection with the operation of a motor vehicle, which can be a life-threatening weapon in the hands of a person who has no business driving.

Notice, however, that once the license is certified as legitimate, the inquiry comes to an end. There is no further question as to whether the person can back up the claim that he in fact passed his drivers exam or otherwise met the requirements necessary for being a lawfully licensed driver in the state. An official license, once determined as such, is prima facie evidence of those facts, even if the underlying facts themselves are not proven. The complaining party will have a sharply uphill battle to convince the court that it is worth exploring whether the driver actually passed his drivers exam, or whether state employees forged the document in a way that doesn't represent what official records show.

Same as with an official document representing the fact of the place and time of a person's birth. Such a document, when recognized as official, essentially functions as proof in court of the facts it purports to represent. A plaintiff would have a high, perhaps insurmountable burden of proof to demonstrate that further inquiry is necessary to validate the facts represented on the COLB.


Antibirther
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 12:26 pm

Obama is smarter than you.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

I'll give you this. Obama is a damned sight smarter than all of his followers. Any man who can lie his way up to his current position without having ANY believability, credibility, accountability, or real leadership principles is a true CON-MAN and most con-men are smarter than the people they dupe.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

“A plaintiff would have a high, perhaps insurmountable burden of proof to demonstrate that further inquiry is necessary to validate the facts represented on the COLB.”

Who said anything about a plaintiff or a civil case? I'm referring to a criminal charge. The difference here being, in the case of Obama knowingly providing counterfeit documents in an attempt to conceal his true citizenship status, it isn't a little misdemeanor like driving with an invalid DL, that we are talking about. It is much more serious. It is a case of using invalid or counterfeit public documents with the intent to defraud the American public.

US Federal Reserve notes all state that they are “legal tender for all debts public and private” but in the case of a counterfeit bill, the opposite is true. In that case, they aren't legal tender for Jack Shit. Experts would be called into a criminal court to examine seized suspected counterfeit bills in a criminal case against the counterfeiter. The same would be true of someone submitting false, forged public documents like say, a BAD COLB. In that case, the original documents would be immediately sought by the court to ascertain whether or not any supporting document for that COLB ever existed. Additionally, the alleged COLB would be closely examined by a court appointed expert or panel of them. So, until a court is convened in a manner which will cause Obama's alleged COLB to be examined in this way, there is NO official recognition of any thing or “fact” of Obama's eligibility as POTUS having ever been met. It all just comes down to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


Randwulf
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

JohnC said: “A plaintiff would have a high, perhaps insurmountable burden of proof to demonstrate that further inquiry is necessary to validate the facts represented on the COLB.”

Who said anything about a plaintiff or a civil case? I'm referring to a criminal charge. The difference here being, in the case of Obama knowingly providing counterfeit documents in an attempt to conceal his true citizenship status, it isn't a little misdemeanor like driving with an invalid DL, that we are talking about. It is much more serious. It is a case of using invalid or counterfeit public documents with the intent to defraud the American public.

US Federal Reserve notes all state that they are “legal tender for all debts public and private” but in the case of a counterfeit bill, the opposite is true. In that case, they aren't legal tender for Jack Shit. Experts would be called into a criminal court to examine seized suspected counterfeit bills in a criminal case against the counterfeiter. The same would be true of someone submitting false, forged public documents like say, a BAD COLB. In that case, the original documents would be immediately sought by the court to ascertain whether or not any supporting document for that COLB ever existed. Additionally, the alleged COLB would be closely examined by a court appointed expert or panel of them. So, until a court is convened in a manner which will cause Obama's alleged COLB to be examined in this way, there is NO official recognition of any thing or “fact” of Obama's eligibility as POTUS having ever been met. It all just comes down to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


Randwulf
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

BHO's sister has a COLB from Hawaii just like her brother. She was born in Jakarta, Indonesia. Has anyone seen a scan of Obama's COLB with the embossed seal and all information visible?

If so, could you please link it for me? The border design on Obama's is all wrong. See the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHwxk7ljJBE&feat…

Oh, yeah, almost forgot. Where is the original BC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


Steve X
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

I agree entirely. I used to try to reason with the birthers using stuff like facts, logic, and evidence but the average birther is too stupid and delusional to be reasoned with. Now all of my posts are dedicated to making fun of them.

From now on, i'm saving my rational arguments for rational people. Birthers will never, ever be rational people.


JimPA
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

Randypuppy – Don't make me go get Stephen. You know President Obama didn't lie. You know President Obama isn't a con man. You know the birthers argument is a bunch of nonsense. As much as it pains you, you even know President Obama is a citizen of the United States and our President for the next 3.5 or 7.5 years. Accept it and move on.


JimPA
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

Youtube Randypuppy. You can do better than Youtube.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Youtube. Opinion threads. What's the difference? Some of the Youtube clips pose some interesting questions and make legitimate comments that are on track and on topic. A lot of the Youtube clips also point to the Obama COLB shown in images posted by “FackCheck” supposedly proving that BHO was born in Hawaii. You don't have a problem with those clips. A lot of Obamaphiles are continually posting links to Youtube. Have you called any of them on it? Besides all that, exactly what was said in either one of the above clips that is incorrect? One states that Obama's sister has a Hawaiian computer generated COLB (just like Barry's) and was she was actually born in Indonesia. Fact or fiction? The other states that BHO has never provided a certified copy of his Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth (not certificaTION but certifiCATE). Fact or fiction? So, how have you been Jim?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Jim, how is it that I could ever really “KNOW” that the “president” didn't lie? He continues to stall on his origin issue. There is a petition out there with a half million names on it asking him to show his original birth certificate. He utters not a word about that. Is it because he doesn't care as much about that as he would some misunderstanding between a Black college professor and some “stupid” White police officers, or is it something else?

And, given that most of our own government is too cowardly to actually comment on the Obama origins issue, let alone do anything about it, we are probably stuck with him for a while. But not 71/2 years. He couldn't get re-elected today. In 3 1/2 years, he will have the absolute lowest approval rating in US presidential history if the current trends continue. I think it is only a matter of time before some Kenyan government official is approached in the right set of circumstances, at the right time and with the right amount of bribe money before the real long form birth certificate is produced and verified and polygraph tests passed. That could happen any time. I think Obama must think about that a lot while he isn't commenting on it. Waiting for the ax to fall must really suck for him.


Antibirther
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

“BHO's sister has a COLB from Hawaii just like her brother.”

O'rlly?

I'd like to see that.


Antibirther
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

The same would be true of someone submitting false, forged public documents like say, a BAD COLB. In that case, the original documents would be immediately sought by the court to ascertain whether or not any supporting document for that COLB ever existed.

in the case of a COLB, all the state registrar would have to do is print out another one.

If it didn't match the on-posted on-line – - – BIINGO

proof of fraud.

Why hasn't this happened?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Because only Barry himself can request it. Pretty obvious why he hasn't. Bingo. Proof of fraud. And he would being doing himself in at that point.


JimPA
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

I've been good Randy. How about you? I'm on my way out the door. I'll reply later.


Antibirther
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

So, you are stating that the state registrar of Hawaii has no control over the very files that he is sworn to maintain? Are you saying that the Registrar can not protect the integrity of his files?

It is well within the purview of the Registrar to be able to pull up the data to compare it to the on-line version.


JohnC
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

You may not have your facts anywhere close to reality, but you do have a great mind for fiction. That sounds like it could make for a bestseller novel or a soap opera.


JohnC
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

The prosecutor, should he take up such a case, would have to demonstrate to a court that a document certified by the State of Hawaii is nonetheless counterfeit.

You'll have to excuse me if I and millions of other Americans find that more than a little farfetched.


JohnC
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

Assuming that anyone in the public has actually seen Maya's COLB (and that's highly doubtful), the only question which is relevant: Where does Maya's COLB state she was born?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:22 am

So Steve. Who in your opinion, in this entire nation, would have “standing”. Just pretend you are a Supreme Court justice and tell me that.

I like that T-shirt idea!


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:31 am

“The prosecutor, should he take up such a case, would have to demonstrate to a court that a document certified by the State of Hawaii is nonetheless counterfeit.”

He would simply ask the court to order the production of the document in question for the court and/or he would request that the court order the State of Hawaii to confirm that the document was actually printed by them on the date shown. It is really that simple. The prosecutor would bring in experts to testify that the COLB produced in images on the internet was a forgery. What could the defense do? Hand it over to the court for examination by document experts or let the damning evidence be heard with no answer from them?

Not far-fetched at all.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:41 am

Nope. Keep trying, doofus.

I like it that you always jump when I tell you to. If you were an actual Marine, instead of a punk who lies about everything, you would recognize that you only follow orders that come from a superior.

However, since you’re such an attention-starved goober, you cheerfully comply with instructions given to you by people who are just mocking you.

This makes you more fun than a…(wait for it)

BARREL OF MONKEYS!

Bet you saw that one coming. No? Ah well, I DID tell you that you’re stupid.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 5:23 am

Hey, Roguewind. I appreciate the attempt to get all friendly-like and call me “Steve.” But that’s not my name. My name is Stephen. So you fail again.

Far be it from me to tell a guy who has studied English “for more than half a century” something as simple as how to remove a sitting U.S. President.

You’ve heard of “impeachment?” It has nothing to do with being pelted with fruit.

I’m not going to pretend I’m a SCOTUS Justice. I would rather pretend I’m Salma Hayek’s sex toy, if I’m gonna pretend something.

But I can certainly tell you who does NOT have standing to challenge Obama’s eligibility. Monkey-fondling racist birther doofuses, that’s who.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 12:38 am

Roguewind, you rascal! How the hell are you?

And how's Some guy named Alan? Is he shagging your fictitious spouse? I'm sure he's attracted to imaginary women of color, provided they are as beautiful as you claimed.

And how are you managing that cognitive dissonance problem you have? You know, the whole reconciliation process of dealing with the fact of being simultaneously white, half-white, and African-American was really starting to take its toll on you. I was worried.

But no more. You're back. So, then, on with bringing us up to speed on the doings of Some guy named Alan.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 12:42 am

Orly? What the hell? Thought she was in Israel? RUN!

No wait, you mean O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly? Thought he was making unwanted sexual advances via phone to his subordinates? RUN!

No wait, you actually just mean you don't believe a birther's unsupported lie. Everybody stay calm. Nothing to see here.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 12:45 am

“A lot of Obamaphiles are continually posting links to Youtube.”

Evidence? You know, “link to this. Link to that.”

And I have yet to see any non-birther post a Youtube link in an attempt to prove that Obama is eligible. Youtube links of whackjobs acting like the fools they are, for example, have been bandied around by non-birthers various and sundry. But that's not to prove anything about Obama. It's not to prove anything. We already know you're whackjobs. We just like to laugh at you.

Hence, your part in our little amusing diversion on these threads.

Now then, have you got any evidence for us today that proves that Obama is not eligible? Otherwise, we're back to asking about your made-up personal life and your made up ethnicity.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 12:51 am

“Pretty obvious why he hasn't. Bingo. Proof of fraud.”

Come on, Roguewind. Heed the words of Donald Rumsfeld:

“Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

The fact that Obama hasn't provided further documentation is not proof of anything except the fact that he doesn't believe he needs to do anything else to satisfy his functionally illiterate political enemies.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 12:55 am

So we have more in common than just a name. I'd be curious to know how long it took YOU to stop wasting time trying to refute birther nonsense with fact and evidence.

We still, by the way, use logic. We just use it with an accompanying dose of sarcasm. It's more satisfying AND more effective that way. And easier for the idiotic birthers to remember.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Wow. You think Palin is as intelligent as Obama? I bet you Palin doesn't know what city Columbia University is. And I'm certain she doesn't understand anything about Constitutional law. She threatened to sue Shannyn Moore ON INDEPENDENCE DAY, remember?

Your snide comments about Michelle Obama's looks are way out of place. Do we need to bring up Barbara Bush?

Your racism is also out of place. Anyone with one drop of black blood is black. It has been that way since before there were slaves in America. Of course Obama is half-white. But any time he has a family reunion, he'll look WAY out of place sitting with the white folks, whereas you wouldn't really notice him among his father's people.

Where did you get the idea that “companies” funded Obama's campaign? What rock did you crawl out from under? He raised his money mostly from donations of 43 dollars or less.

Your rock misses you. We won't.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:05 am

Obama is likely smarter than a great many of us, myself included. We aren't his “followers.” He's not Jesus, or the Anti-Christ. You can put down your garlic clove. It won't help.

But the real point is, he's definitely smarter than all of you birther dumbsters.

“most con-men are smarter than the people they dupe.”

Wow. The ones who are dumber, tell me, how do they pull off the con?

It's clear that you don't understand the goings-on of the grown-up world. Lotsa hustle and bustle. So of course it all looks like a big shell game to you. That's why they put icons of food and icons of money on the registers at fast food places. So that people like you will be able to take orders from people like me, and make change for me.

You took orders well, changing my nickname four times because I kept telling you to. But you're not making change. You're still the same dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks birther liar that you were before you went into the Birther Undercover Relocation Program, BURP for short.

Did you see your mentor and hero, Tuci78, while you were there? His fish sticks are getting cold and the orderlies are going to throw them out soon.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:09 am

Jim, do you think Randwulf thinks you're me? Private Joker darpot did.

Randwulf thinks I'm David Weigel. But there's no reason to believe he doesn't also think I'm you.

Birthers claim the COLB is forged. They would likely claim the original is forged too. Same transitive principle.

I don't see “accept it and move on” in the chart at the foot of Roguewind's bed. It just says “DO NOT mention that you have monkeyporn in your possesion, or the patient may hyperventilate and go into shock. Again.”


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:13 am

Stevie! Where the hell have you been. Off insulting other birthers I'll bet. You cheating little bastard! Well, I've missed you. Glad you're back.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:17 am

“There is a petition out there with a half million names on it asking him to show his original birth certificate.”

No. World Net Daily's petition claims to have 342,000 names. No telling whether it's 32 names and 341,968 “X” marks. But that's not even close to “half a million.”

Your poor math skills make me doubt your logic and your predictive abilities. Let's start with logic.

“He utters not a word about that. Is it because he doesn't care as much about that as he would some misunderstanding between a Black college professor and some “stupid” White police officers, or is it something else?”

He doesn't mention the WND petition because it's absurd and has nothing to do with his day-to-day business. Why doesn't he ever say anything about the people who think the moon landing was faked, or that Bigfoot is real? They have a petition and a website.

There was no “misunderstanding” between Officer Crowley and Professor Gates. No one ever said there was. Officer Crowley arrested Professor Gates without cause and in violation of the law, since it is not illegal in any way to yell at a police officer while he is deciding whether to arrest you. That is why the officer's decision to do so was stupid. Obama's mistake was in being candid. He was correct.

Now, for your predictive abilities. If you are willing to put money on the notion that Obama will not be re-elected, let alone that he'd have the lowest approval rating in history, I will be among the many people who want to redistribute your money away from you, since it is not being put to good use by you.

You're an idiot. You think Obama is sitting around thinking about a goat herder going on Sean Hannity's show for a million dollars? It would have happened by now if it was going to happen. And I'm sure Obama gives less thought to that than he does to whether he should count the number of blue socks in his drawer versus brown, and try to even things out.

Write to me at randwulfisamonkey@gmail.com and we'll set up an InTrade system of moving money from you to me because you're too dumb to predict the fact that the sun will rise in the east.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:19 am

Still can't spell “Whoops!” huh? Keep trying, kiddo. You're only 16. Or 54. Or however old you're pretending to be today.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Well done, JohnC. Thank you.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:28 am

“Well. It that person happens to be a police officer, yes, you will have to go to court and prove him wrong”

Well. “It” that person is you, Roguewind, you'd find yourself faced with a citizen's arrest for impersonating a police officer. What, was impersonating a Marine getting boring for you? What about Jane Fonda? Aren't you still all wound up about her? Come on, let a rant or two go. You'll feel better.

In your analogy, a police officer demands your license. He has a right to do so, and you are obliged to comply.

No one in any authoritative position, nor anyone with standing to do so, has requested Obama's original birth certificate. He has no obligation to comply with any demand made by anyone thus far.

You are worse at analogies than you are at making up facts about yourself.

But of course, for a guy who has studied English “for over half a century,” you sure didn't learn much. “It” is very different from “If.” They just look sorta the same to the uninitiated. How did you manage not to learn that in 50 years of dedicated study?

What are you, stupid or something? Oh wait, you're a birther and you're stupid even for a birther.

“presiding without proof of constitutional eligibility.” Sounds like a good t-shirt for you to have printed.

Obama didn't appoint every federal judge in the country. He has appointed a grand total of ONE Justice to the SCOTUS. So there are still 8 others there, and thousands elsewhere, who are not aligned to him in any way. Bush appointed hundreds of federal judges, and two SCOTUS Justices. Are they somehow aligned with Obama, to you?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:31 am

“Who said anything about a plaintiff or a civil case? I'm referring to a criminal charge.”

Oh God, I've missed your idiocy, Roguewind!

The burden of proof in a criminal case is ALWAYS on the prosecution, which must prove all elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

Don't you watch Law & Order, son?

Yikes. You're dumb as toast.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:39 am

Oh my goodness. I have to file an update with you people. I have previously proven that birthers are stupid. In light of new evidence, I must report that they are mind-numbingly, bafflingly stupid.

Below, JohnC and Randwulf (who I call “Rogewind” because that is the name he now posts under at Stormfront, once I called him out for posting as “Randwulf” there) go around and around about the burden of proof and the acceptance of official documents.

JohnC uses the analogy of a driver's license, which represents to the world that you have passed a driving test, without the necessity of you carrying around the actual test. Once you provide the license, and the license is authenticated, as Obama's COLB has been, there is no further inquiry. JohnC's point is well taken.

But Randwulf-Roguewind objected, proving his stupidity”

“A plaintiff would have a high, perhaps insurmountable burden of proof to demonstrate that further inquiry is necessary to validate the facts represented on the COLB.”–JohnC, quoted by Randwulf-Roguewind

“Who said anything about a plaintiff or a civil case? I'm referring to a criminal charge.”–Roguewind-Randwulf

Of course, JohnC's point applies a fortiori to criminal cases. A criminal defendant does not have to produce ANY evidence. The burden of proof as to every element of the charged crime always rests on the prosecution.

And of course, once a government document is produced pursuant to a prosecutor's discovery requests, the inquiry ends. The government document is certainly enough to produce “reasonable doubt” about whether a crime has committed. It's prima facie evidence that NO crime was committed.

Yikes, Randwulf is stupid. But I told you that, didn't I?


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:47 am

Michelle Obama is not unattractive. She's the source of at least half of her children's good looks. (Willowy beauty Malia, in particular, looks a LOT like her mom.) Sarah Palin is not unintelligent: Alaska has been a low crime, financially stable state under her watch. Barack's intelligence is probably only marginally higher than Dan 'potatoe'[sic] Quayle–I've inferred this from things like his “I don't speak Austrian”-type comments.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone with a 'one drop of [white] blood is [white]'. I have relatives who aren't as 'white'-looking as, say, Gabriel Reece, or Carly Simon. :p

The myth of Obama getting most of his money from 'small donations' is utter B.S., a lie repeated by his propagandists in the press and demolished by post-election disclosures. Many big donors donated multiple 'small' amounts, to skirt campaign rules. One of his largest donors was Microsoft (a total of around $20M). Like I said, the media and telecommunications companies (including Google and Apple) donated MASSIVE amounts to the B.O. campaign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=…

Unions were also major donors. People think of unions as these Pete Seegeresque little guys, but they have incredibly large pension funds under their control. As institutional investors, unions have control over the media, as well. This tends to get used for propaganda purposes…such as all those Law & Order: SUV episodes, where every homeschooled child grows up to be a serial rapist cannibal. This is all about classical Marxist class interest: the unions want to fight for what benefits THEM (massive subsidies to AMTRACK, public school monopolies), as opposed to what benefits YOU (elimination of government waste, school choice).


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 1:59 am

Alaska is neither low-crime nor financially stable.

It has an alarmingly high incidence of forcible rape and unacceptably high rates of violence against women. It also has a raging drug problem within its vast borders.

Nor is it financially stable. Alaska gets a lot more from the Federal government than it sends back. Now that there's a recession, the problem here is obvious. It's why Sarah Palin had to slash the Permanent Reserve Fund Trust payment (that she'd doubled in order to get elected, to 3,200 dollars per resident). Not enough funds in the trust.

I don't know where you learned to do research. I'd guess Orly Taitz was a classmate of yours.

Tech companies like Microsoft, Google and Apple tend to have liberal employees. Liberal employees tend to vote Democratic. You see something sinister in this. Because you're not real bright.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 2:02 am

Yet a fifth nickname. Was it because you recognized that the other four sucked, or because you're too dumb to remember them?

Feel free to answer “yes.”


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Really Stevie. Sometimes you can be so cruel.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 2:57 am

Oh Stevie! You call me stupid like it's a bad thing! But then you said:

“And of course, once a government document is produced pursuant to a prosecutor's discovery requests, the inquiry ends.”

And in this case, I agree that it would certainly end right there. That being, right after the Hawaiian officials turned over a great big nothing regarding Obama's birth certificate stating that he was unequivocally born on one of the Hawaiian islands.

Simple. The prosecutors would demand the production of the original supporting document and they would either get a document that would not name any place of birth with witnesses that could be documented, or they would get nothing at all (as in, it never happened). I don't think the state of Hawaii could even produce a real COLB (computer generated) for him that is real. The question of whether or not the allegedly “real COLB” already produced is really real, is still unresolved by any recognized government authority. If I am wrong, tell me which one has “vetted” this document.

Oh, and Stevie, I remember all of my pet names for you. I just like to be spontaneous and fresh with these things in order to keep it interesting. And really, there is no need to be nasty all the time. Is there?

I never posted on Stormfront under any name. But if I did, and it wasn't Randwulf, I might use Roguewulf. That is more my style. So look for that.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:03 am

Hey Stevie! Now that's enough. You can't talk about Alan like that. He is an American citizen and has a real, long form, original birth certificate to prove it. He could even run for POTUS someday, and do it LEGALLY. I'll ask Shamitra if she has been seen him on the sly and then get back to you on that. (Since you are so interested.) Actually, I think Alan has more class than that. But I'll confront him with it as well.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:06 am

Okay. In the interim, I'll just banter with Steve. Talk to you later.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:09 am

Are you picking on me because of my diverse ethnic background? And I did my yard-work already! Be nice!

Do you have a link to Sis's “COLB”?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:10 am

Just tell me what hospital Fukino said he was born in and I'll go away.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:13 am

Compare Alaska with, say, Chicago. Even the GOVERNORS are going to the slammer. Obama's Big Daddy, Richard M[obster]. Daley, runs a fiefdom, where private ownership of handguns and even spraypaint (really) are illegal, yet crime is horrendous. So I'd go with Palin in Alaska.

'Liberal' is as 'liberal' does. After owing its existence to a government anti-trust ruling (against IBM), Micturatingsloth has been Hell-bent on fighting antitrust action. I'm not talking about the IT companies' employees, but rather their OWNERS. Unionized workers at Appalachian coal mines may vote Democrat, while their bosses give money to the Republicans. Microsoft's $20M gift to B.O. has won it a $20B medical records porkbarrel program. In political donations, you get what you pay for.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:15 am

Stevie! I'm shocked and amazed! You aren't keeping up with WND's postings these days are you? It was up over 475,000 at last count I think. Growing all the time, while the number of people polled on the citizenship question keeps yielding higher numbers of people who doubt that Obama is US born. Do your homework.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 3:17 am

Whooooooops!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:43 am

No. You know less about civil procedure than Tuci78 knows about Socialism (or civil procedure).

Prosecutors don’t ask the Court to order production of documents from third parties unless the third parties refuse to comply with the prosecutors’ official discovery requests.

When a lawyer sends out a subpoena requiring production of records, he or she does so as an officer of the Court, and the subpoena has the legal effect as having come from the Court. This is why lawyers are required to affirm, by signing their pleadings, that they are not taking actions for an improper purpose. (FRCP 11)

And the Court would not order the State of Hawai’i to confirm anything. We have an adversarial system, not an inquisitorial one. The prosecution must prove its own case; the Court doesn’t do its job for it. The prosecutor has to show that Obama isn’t eligible, and the prosecutor has a duty, as an officer of the Court, to present all evidence to the defense that is potentially exculpatory.

So that means, when you get down to it, that the prosecution would be the ones who have to pay the “12 dollars” you birthers are always griping about, to get an original birth certificate (or a re-print of the COLB, whatever the State of Hawai’i feels like giving them).

And then the case would be over. Because there is no evidence on the birthers’ side (in this instance, the prosecution), and the COLB (or the original) is prima facie evidence that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai’i.

You don’t understand civil procedure at all. But don’t let that stop you from entertaining us with your imaginative brainstorming sessions.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:51 am

Man, if you take Kenyan and Chicago out of that rant, I’d swear you’re talking about Bush.

And “dirt-bag?” Le mot juste! Talk about slings and arrows! How are we supposed to recover from a zinger like that?

What’s “Craiglist?” It’s likely to get a cease and desist letter from Craigslist, if it doesn’t change its name voluntarily. Or are you just still focused on Bush’s coke problem and unable to proofread?

Keep waiting for that facade to fall. Let us know if you get hungry up in your treehouse and I’ll see if Mom will let you eat your PB&J up there. No comic books get to leave the living room though. You know the rules, captaincrunch.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:54 am

The only information you need is state of birth, date of birth, and name of who was born. That’s all found on the COLB.

He’s 35 or older and was born in America. He’s President. Deal with it. Or continue to be proven wrong, mocked and ridiculed on this site and everywhere else you share your opinions. Up to you.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:59 am

There is no “ACORN story,” genius.

Mickey Mouse cannot vote. Someone who writes “Mickey Mouse” on 100 forms is not harming democracy. He’s committing voter registration fraud. Not the same thing as voter fraud, which would occur if Mickey Mouse showed up at a polling place on Nov. 4.

ACORN did not perpetuate the biggest fraud in history, or any fraud. Nor is ACORN responsible for your low sperm count. Let’s move on.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:06 am

“Also, aren’t you the least bit curious about which corporate interests Mr Transparency and Openness is beholden too (especially, those conected to the Daley mob)”

Also, why do you birthers keep insisting that President Obama reveal things about himself (and now, his donors) that NO other President has had to reveal?

This is why we call you racist. And why we call you stupid.

It looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but can’t tread water…yup, it’s a birther, drowning in the shallow end of the gene pool.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:11 am

The prosecutors would look at the COLB and decide there's no reason to bring any charges.

They have political careers of their own to think of. And losing a huge case in embarrassing fashion isn't a good career move. Just ask Marcia Clark and Chris Darden.

The state of Hawai'i, through its Governor and Director of its Dept. of Health, have confirmed that the vital records on file do state that Obama was born in Hawai'i and thus is a natural-born citizen. All the whining about the COLB didn't work for Tuci78 and won't work for you.

But, Roguewind, don't let that stop you from trying. Unlike the people you post to at Stormfront, we don't require you to pretend to be something that you're not.

But I am curious how your Civil War Part Deux planning is coming along. And have you found anyone to play “Patriots & Commies” with you? You were wistfully writing about that a while back.

“There is no need to be nasty all the time. Is there?”

I don't know. Why don't you tell me, after reading one of your classic posts? Here it is:

“Oh good. That is a very intelligent response. What meds do you take with you Kool Aid bitch? I'll just play by your rules whenever you post. Here we go. Ready? You are stupid, kooky, deranged, delusional and otherwise mentally and emotionally f@cked up and therefore we don't have to listen to you. Like SHUT UP and stuff. There. Happy?” –Randwulf

Didn't seem to me that you needed to be nasty there. But you went WAY into the heart of Crazytown with your rant against Jane Fonda:

“Either present something of an argument in lieu of your insults and name calling or shut the f@ck up! Ok? Tell me why some people are carrying around the long form of birth certificate while Obama born in the same time period can not produce one. And since when do you lefties care about the health of the military or how politics at home could adversely affect their ability to fight the war successfully?

My earliest recollection of left wing liberal types being concerned about the military was of a bunch of dirty, drug soaked, long haired, Hippie f@cks rioting in the streets, spitting on men in uniform, burning flags and bad mouthing their country! Jane Fonda was their f@cking b1tch poster child and our military men in Hanoi prisons were being tortured for not talking to her lying whore ass while she sucked up to the commies and helped them make anti-American propaganda movies. That is how liberals are concerned about our military, bitch!

So who's the f@cking “JOKE”? So are you a liberal? I'll tell you right now that a hell of a lot more of the “birfoons” who have served in the military than there are anti-”birfoons” who have. Most of you libs are such f@cking pu$$ies that you wouldn't be worth a $hit in combat anyway. So take all your silly f@cking liberal mental disease and shove it up your commie ass. Absurd drivel indeed! We'll see. There is blood in the water.” –Randwulf

Now, I don't know why you choose to be crazy. Nor do I know why you choose to be nasty. My working theory is that you do both things because you're an immature dumbfuck birther doofus. It's a pretty solid theory, judging by empirical evidence.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:15 am

You don't know Alan like that. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

“Shamitra,” is it? Is she now a character in a soon-to-be-released animated Disney feature? What kind of made-up name is that for a white, half-white, beautiful woman of color? That's the best you could do? Was “Omarosa” taken?

I'd forgotten how stupid you are. Luckily, you're dumb enough to remind me.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:18 am

You're the one who claimed that his sister has a Hawai'ian COLB. Prove it.

Or prove any of the nonsense you spew here. Why single out that one?

Speaking of singling out, I understand you may feel picked on. It's not because of your diverse ethnic background. You don't have a diverse ethnic background. You have a smorgasbord of lies about yourself. Subtle but substantive difference there, doofus.

You didn't do any pretend yardwork. Post the evidence here. Until then you're a lazy shiftless dumbfuck birther doofus who wants credit for imaginary work he didn't pretend to do. Once you post that evidence, you'll revert back simply to being a dumbfuck birther doofus.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:19 am

Banter implies a mutual tossing back-and-forth of lighthearted witty jabs.

I'm telling you that you're full of shit and you're proving that I'm right. Pretty one-sided. Not really banter. So, unsurprisingly, you're wrong. Again.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:23 am

No dice, doofus. You went away last time and I got stuck listening to drlove999 making fart-noises with his armpit. I'm not going to let you go back into the BURP (birther underground relocation program) so easily.

Fukino said he was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born citizen. Beyond that you're just being nosy. And hoping like hell to find something to keep this birther thing going. Of course, as to the latter, so am I. Summer reruns are still in our midst. The first new Simpsons episode ain't 'til November. Until then I need comic relief.

You're the ace pitcher of the Birther Dumbfuck All-Stars, now that Tuci78 is on injured reserve. So stay loose. We need your inane blather and silly youtube posts. Also, your invented personal life is a good advertisement for why public education in the South is so important.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Your gibberish about Chicago has nothing to do with whether your gibberish about Alaska was true. It was not.

Your teeth-gnashing about Microsoft is, in addition to being gibberish, simply transparent jealousy. If you had been prescient enough to buy Microsoft stock 20 years ago, you'd be a millionaire by now, most likely. Oh well. Now you can whine about Microsoft and antitrust actions. Oh, and coal miners in Appalachia.

Got any evidence that the employees of these companies did not actually donate the money that it is reported that they donated?

Got any evidence that Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Charles Montgomery Burns actually mandated that any employee give money to Obama?

Got any evidence that Obama gave anything to any person or entity in a quid pro quo for campaign contributions?

If you are bothered by political donations, what do you have to say about Bush and Big Oil? Republicans (and Blue Dogs) and the health care industry?

Or is it only offensive when the money goes to a black guy?

“Liberal is as liberal does,” huh? Forrest Gump said it better, and he was talking about you:

“Stupid is as stupid does.”


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:33 am

I can? Awesome. I wasn't sure if it was kosher, what with Tuci78 being gone and all. I thought there could be some sort of “mourning period” or maybe I'd get placed on administrative leave, like when a police officer shoots someone while on duty.

But now that I have your permission to be cruel, I will resume mocking you about your pathetic dumbfuckery. Like, for instance, your lies about who you are and who you're married to. Just IDIOCY. How do you justify those ridiculous lies ALL ON THE SAME THREAD?

God, you're dumb. No wonder you only reveal your innermost thoughts to monkeys.

Here's one for Jim: “If you were half as good at spreading birther lies as you are at spreading primate thighs, randypuppy,” then you wouldn't be blathering on about Obama's sister's COLB.

Doofus.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:38 am

Roguewind, coming from you “I think” is not a good start. Didn't you learn anything from Jim's attempt to help you learn to be persuasive? He warned you that “I think I remember reading” isn't a good start.

You didn't pay attention. Those who don't learn their history are doomed to repeat it.

The number of people polled on the citizenship question? What poll? Are you referring to an online “poll” that is in no way scientific or representative of any actual reality? It seems like you are.

You are also unambiguously focused on WND. I am not.

See, this is why I tell you that you're stupid. It's because you make stupid arguments and write stupid things. It's not because I don't like you. I don't. But that's not why I tell you that you're stupid.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 7:56 am

Got any evidence that the Obama-Biden campaign didn't get money from foreign sources? Oh, you can't prove this either way–Obama's websiite never logged where donations actually came from, possibly in violation of campaign law.

Campaign donors ALWAYS expect something in return. C'mon, you can't be THAT naive? From Obama's Administration, Microsoft got what sensible consumers and Intel corp. wouldn't give them: upgrades to Vista. I have tremendous respect for the brave men and women in uniform…especially now that they have to put up with MS Vicious. (I use Slackware Linux.) As MS's business model falters (software licensing, as opposed to FOSS, with revenues from hardware and IT support), they can count on B.O. to save them with his magic porkbarrel.

I don't like the Repugnants any more than the Dumbcracks. As for energy sector donations…remember the Bush coal emissions (Hg limits) legislation? This was protectionist legislation for WESTERN coal producers, against APPALACHIAN companies (Eastern anthracite has more mercury). Guess who donated more $ to the Bush campaign? Obama's anti-Alberta Tarsands 'carbon footprint' plans essentially favor 'clean' Venezuelan and Gulf oil, over 'dirty' Canadian crude. And you wondered why he bowed to Abdullah and hugged Chavez…

As for healthcare, the Dems get more dough from HMO-type companies, while the GOPs feed on the indemnity/fee-for-service trough. There will NEVER be a single-payer, or Dellums-style (like the British NHS) 'socialist' system, even though about 2/3 of people polled would prefer it, since both parties are owned by different sectors of the medical-financial industry. A complete ban on corporate and union donations is needed to really effect 'change'.

And please–ENOUGH ABOUT 'RACE'! Though you may (understandibly) not want to picture it, countless old, white Republicans fantasize about being consort to President Rice. Had Colin Powell thrown his name into the ring, he would've enjoyed tremendous success with the NASCAR crowd (who would NOT have wanted to see that lilly-white Southerner John Edwards elected). You seem to be overly fixated on the color issue, so perhaps YOU are a racist.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:20 am

“Got any evidence that the Obama-Biden campaign didn't get money from foreign sources? Oh, you can't prove this either way–Obama's websiite never logged where donations actually came from, possibly in violation of campaign law.”

Aside from being a double negative, this is YOUR issue to prove, not mine. If you contend that Obama got money from foreign sources, prove it.

And there was no violation of campaign law in Obama's website log of where donations come from. What gibberish! Is this just more sore-loser sniffling from you?

Where did McCain's donations come from? What's the law that requires a WEBSITE to log where they came from? Oh, right, you made it up. “Possibly” using your own brain, or maybe you borrowed a monkey from Randwulf.

“Campaign donors ALWAYS expect something in return.”

Ok, slick. We get it. You're savvy and wise to the ways of the world. We know about man's Hobbesian nature, too. But do you have any proof that Obama gave any industry or any person or any entity a quid pro quo for campaign donations? The question still remains. Your suspicions are not evidence. You should get out more.

Dear God. Are you now telling us that Obama's Administration gave Microsoft the ability to upgrade Vista?

You're not worth the time it takes to insult you. You're too dumb to get half the insults. But it would still be fun to lob a few things at you about your fantasy of being “consort” to President Rice. You're creepy.


JohnC
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

stephenperry said it better than I could.

As I said, your fantasy is farfetched.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Don’t sell yourself short, JohnC. You wiped the floor with Roguewind using the driver’s license analogy, and I was also impressed with your work taking apart the street preacher Ron McRae bullshit about Obama’s grandmother saying he was born in Kenya.

You and people like nbc1 are the grown-ups. You pretty much stay out of the personal attacks and profanity, and you almost always cite evidence and link to it.

I’m the foul-mouthed, sarcastic adolescent who gets to boss the doofuses around when the grown-ups go off to work.

But like any complex ecosystem, we all have our role to play, and the system would not thrive if any of us was not here. Well, we’d do fine without the birthers. There’s always bottom-feeders and chum around if you know where to look.


Antibirther
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Well, they claim that a COLB exists for his sister. I'd like to see it. Or at least see some definitive proof that it actually exists.


Antibirther
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

The state doesn't need Obama's permission to examin it's own files.


Antibirther
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

The fact that this thread is still hanging on indicates the the whole birther thing has jumped the shark.

Else everyone would have moved on to a new thread by now.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Here's a simpler one: why aren't there any “I remember baby Barack!” anecdotes, from people in Hololulu? Seriously, folks–a mullatto baby, in early '60s Hawai'i, with a young, Midwestern mother and older, African dad–SOMEBODY would recall that, no?

Obama could march down to Kapi'olani and get his mother's maternity admission records. Make a nice photo-op of it, for his heathcare plan. One way, or another, the hospital's records would prove if he indeed was born in Hawai'i.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

I never took any of this seriously. In fact, I used to think it was McCain who was ineligible.

However, what really bugged me was why someone who was so candid about past indescretions like cocaine use (and going by the name of 'Barry') would want to hide their birth and school records? If I was runing for office, there are a few things I'd like to hide (e.g., all the perverazzi sites I've visited, purchases of 'Phantom of the Opera' and 'Moulin Rouge' DVDs), but my birth and school admission records, and even THESIS wouldn't be among them.

There are three possibilities, here:

1. Obama wasn't born in HI and is ineligible for the Presidency.

2. Obama's REAL history is inconsistent with the autobio he's given.

3. Obama was born in Honolulu, but will use the false controversy to discredit his critics. This will make him 'Teflon Barack', on issues like ACORN, the Daley mob, &c.


JimPA
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

Hey Adam – Check out “Teacher from Kenmore recalls Obama was a focused student”. I remember another one but can't find it. I remember thinking on the eve of the election that it was too bad that President Obama's grandmother passed that night and she wouldn’t get to see if her grandson would be election to the highest office. Now in retrospect maybe it was good she was spared of the birthers.

http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html


JimPA
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

Here are my thoughts on why President Obama doesn't do what he did around November 1, 2008 when he allowed FactCheck.org and some journalists to look, touch, examine and photograph the original birth certificate. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in

President Obama is an analytical person. He thought during the campaign that posting the COLB on his web site would end the rumors but instead it only fueled them. He had to learn from that misstep. Plus showing the original BC to factcheck.org and some journalists, did little to put this nonesense to bed.

Today, if the President allowed a group of journalists including Lou Dobbs and birthers the same access as FactCheck and the journalists, then who knows what would happen. For financial reasons or just because they are irrational they could say the BC is as fake as a 3 dollar bill without any data to backup the claim. If you just show the BC to a nonpartisan, nonprofit fact check organization (like FactCheck) then the birthers would say they the organization is a left wing group (like they do with FackCheck). Plus like any President, President Obama wants control over the conversation. He would like to talk about health care and other pressing issues. Who knows where the media would take this and for how long. It would give all the birther “experts” media time and seem to legitimize their argument to some degree.

Another factor could be what Steve X posted on this subject “Never interfere with the enemy when he is destroying himself.”

I think you cannot offer evidence that will convince those who believe the Apollo lunar landings were falsified by the government or those who believe the government committed the 9/11 acts of terrorism against itself. I believe the same is true of the hard core birther.

Maybe the President should make the BC available to Myth Busters as long as they promised not to blow it up at the end of the episode. Probably wouldn't convince any birthers but it would put this issue where it belongs.


JimPA
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Antibirther – I agree the birthers have jumped the shark. They moved their nonsense to health care.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Hey Jim, you beat me to it. As soon as I read that post I thought about Barbara Nelson.

Birthers are getting desperate. The President posted his birth certificate online. No other President or candidate for the office has ever done so.

It doesn't matter who remembers “a mullatto baby.” Seriously, if you're going to be racist, Adam, at least get a goddamned dictionary out. It's not “mullatto,” you mullet-wearing doofus. It's “mulatto.” And it's racist.


JimPA
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Hey Stephen. I read some of Adams other posts. Seems like his “I never took any of this seriously” doesn't fit well with Adam's other post “Michelle Obama is not unattractive. She's the source of at least half of her children's good looks. (Willowy beauty Malia, in particular, looks a LOT like her mom.) Sarah Palin is not unintelligent: Alaska has been a low crime, financially stable state under her watch. Barack's intelligence is probably only marginally higher than Dan 'potatoe'[sic] Quayle….”

These guys/girls try so hard to pretend they don't have an agenda in their “just saying” posts.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

You've identified three silly possibilities. This is not an exhaustive list of silly possibilities. Nor does any of your list intersect with rational thought in the slightest way.

At the outset, I must point out that there's no reasonable probability that YOU ever wrote a “thesis.” I wrote my undergraduate thesis on moral philosophy as applied to Moby Dick. What's your thesis about?

But as to Obama, have you considered the possibility that your facts are wrong? He didn't “hide” his birth records. He posted his birth certificate online so that you jackasses would stop claiming his middle name is Mohammed. His decision to do so led inexorably to the point where you doofuses claim he was born in Kenya.

Why would he ever be foolish enough to indulge the paranoid fantasies of his functionally illiterate political enemies by legitimizing their concerns (by responding to them)?

Nor did he “hide” his school records. Obama's records are as available or unavailable as any other student's. The fact that you cannot find them does not mean they are unavailable. And if any are unavailable, it is not because Obama sealed them. It is because those records are not available for any student.

More to the point, you have no legitimate reason for looking at his school records. The State of Hawai'i, through its official representatives, including without limitation its Republican Governor, has confirmed that Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born U.S. citizen. Do you have evidence that they lied? No? Okay then, there's nothing else to discuss.

You might want to see his grades or baptism records because you're a nosy sore-loser. But that's your problem, not Obama's.

Get a life.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Nothing 'racist' about the term 'mulatto'. Perhaps 'African-Caucausian-American' would satisfy the PCers out there. Pulling out the 'racist' card isn't making the questions surrounding The One go away.

Again, he has NOT posted his 'birth certificate'. Rather, he (via FightTheSmears and FactCheck) posted a scanned copy (of dubious origin) of his Certification of Live Birth. If he HAD posted (or had otherwise verified, by official sources) an actual birth certificate, or Certificate of Live Birth, you wouldn't be posting here. Whether-or-not B.O. was born in Hawai'i, Mr Transparency has made this into an issue with his opacity.

ASide from being intoxicated at the thought of the first 'African-American' (he IS also just as 'white') President, why are so many people on the 'left' so enamoured of B.O.? He's just another sleazball Chicago Democratic Machine politician, riding on big money. His new cybersecurity legislation–giving him executive power to shut down the internet–should be raising alarm bells on the left. Ditto the Food Safety legislation (thanks, Monsanto), favors for pharmaceutical companies, trying to eliminate the inadmissability of evidence from interrogations without legal council, the 4th Amendment-stomping powers for social workers, &c. Yet Barry the Blow-snorter gets a pass.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Oh ok, that makes sense. As long as the birthers are the ones who are being required to prove what THEY claim, I completely agree. It would be nice to look at an actual birth certificate again. The Kenyan one is so mid-July.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

No. Mulatto is a racist term. It's right out of the Big Book of Slave-Trading Slurs. Right up there with “quadroon.” Ask Tuci78.

He has posted his birth certificate. Don't you read the National Review? Here's what their editors had to say. Read 'em and weep, loser:

“The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMz…

Hey Adam, let me know when you get tired of getting your ass handed to you every time you challenge me.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

Plus there's his fantasy about being a “consort” to “President Rice.”

Adam has Jungle Fever. And he's ashamed of himself for it. Plus, he wishes he understood anti-trust law, or how to run Microsoft's software.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. But Adam is a long ways away from being even a little knowledgeable. He's lucky I woke up early and went out into the world before coming home to read his drivel. If I had just rolled out of bed and then read his claptrap, I'd have been cranky. And then he wouldn't have gotten off so easily.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Are you saying that you don't think Michelle Obama is attractive, with a nice figure? I don't like her husband, but she's a HUGE improvement over Hillary Clinton. Also, unlike Hillary, her daughters are pretty.

The 'agenda' should be campaign finance reform: no corporate, or union funding, strict disclosure of donations and donations capped at around $1000. Otherwise, you'll get more Obamas and Bushes and Kenedys and Clintons, doing the bidding of whatever donor coughed up more money. The role of the media sector in financing elections is very problematic. The broadcasters essentially ignored Equal Time law with the Obama infomercials. Obama's goons threatened TV and radio stations with license revocation, when they ran NRA ads critical of The One (First and Second Amendments–what's that?). The coup de gras was that tacky, Microsoft-sponsored spectacle of the inauguration, laying bare the corporate-funded nature of the Presidency.

Dubya set the bar real low and B.O. limboed right under it.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

Jim, you should post this at the top of the thread as a “sticky.” It's worth making every birther sign their name (or make their mark with an X) confirming that they have read it before they are allowed to post here.


JimPA
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

“Any word from the two fake lawyers (voter and jimhenderson)?”
Fake lawyers don't work on Sundays. They have to work their real jobs in the fast food sector.

Doc's shoes are hard to fill but I thinking Adam will step in. Adam – The reason that the Doc's shoes are hard to fill is he never bathed or changed his socks.

Adam is definitely talking about young children’s looks too much.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

Please tell me you actually know how to spell Kennedys.

I want to believe that it was just a typo and you're not really as dumb as a post.

But judging by your other posts, I have to ask.

There is no escaping the fact that you are ridiculously paranoid about media.

There is no “Equal Time law.” I should know, I am a younger sibling. If there was an Equal Time law, I would have taken most of my sister's toys as a child.

There's a “fairness doctrine,” but it has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama's infomercials. He is allowed to buy time on the networks. So is McCain. The fact that McCain didn't have the cash to do so (he told us on SNL that “we can only afford QVC,” remember?) is not Obama's problem.

Seems like it's a BIG problem for you though. Why don't you go take it up with Rupert and Rush? No one here gives a shit about your “the mainstream media is the tool of Beelezebub” nonsense.

Do, uh, you have any, you know, PROOF of any of your outlandish claims about Obama's goons threatening TV and radio stations? Or is this more of the transmissions you pick up via your tinfoil hat? I'm going with option B.

Microsoft sponsored the Inauguration? I didn't catch that. I was watching the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl brought to you by Cialis. Good for Microsoft.

Was there a point in any of your gibberish?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

Yeah, I'm more than a little creeped out by Adam's drooling over a preteen girl's “willowy” figure. Ick.

I didn't call the Secret Service on Tuci78. I should have, in retrospect. It might have scared Adam here into focusing his sexual attentions back onto young Catholic boys, like he did before Obama decided to run for election with his beautiful (but off-limits) wife and lovely (but off-limits ) daughters.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

I have jungle, fjord, what have you fever. And I'm not ashamed of it. (I am, however, ashamed of my receding hairline, which is why I DON'T wear a mullet.)

Bill Gates is a smart man, who has done commendable things in terms of philanthropy. He was a brilliant coder…with the exception of the dreadfull FAT filesystem that he foisted on the world as a 'standard'. However, Microsoft has done some very underhanded (even criminal) things in business. Microsoft's networking software isn't compeditive with Linux, BSD, or [Open]Solaris, and people did NOT like Vista (even, embarassingly, Intel). Microsoft needs a lifeline and the medical records program looks to be it.

Oh–the Condoleeza Rice thing isn't mine, but the likely wank fantasy of conservative blue pill-poppers like Newt Gingrich. Some things are best left out of one's imagination.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Canadian PM Steven Harper should svat his son Ben with Malia, under the condition that he kill the Buy American clause and not reopen NAFTA.

Beautifull children are an asset to politicians, proving that they can at least get SOMETHING right. Dubya's daughters are 'meh' (his neice is cute, though) and the Clintons' homely daughter should've been a red flag. Kim Il Jong proves my case.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

My thesis was on Socialist Realist art. There you have it.

Obama has no reason to withold these records. This is not a burger-flipper job, but the most powerful position on earth. A higher bar of disclosure should be expected. And no, I don't care if his middle name is 'Hussein' (though the Pantsuit Lady made much of that). Obama Sr. was a Muslim in name only, who rather sensibly liked drinking, pipes (straight-stemmed bulldogs; don't know if he was an English, or aromatic man) and Christian women. In spite of that embarrasing bow to King Abdullah, Jr. is no Muslim either. What he is is a Daleyite with very shady conections. Even more than his college admission records, people should be interested in which lobbyists he lent his ear to, as a Senator back in Illinois.


JimPA
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

I am going to go out on a limb and say you are a libertarian and a supporter of Ron Paul.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

When you learn to spell “competitive” please take this gibberish to the appropriate thread. Perhaps something on PC World's website. I'm sure the commenters there will enjoy slapping you around just as much as I do.

You're the one who brought us the Condi-consort fantasy. Thus it is yours.

“I have jungle, fjord, what have you fever?” Is this what passes for humor among the birthers now? DUMB. ASS.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

What's hillarious is how the lefties ignore B.O.'s corporate backing. Microsoft, Monsanto, the mainstream media and so forth are the sort of people that the 'progressives' usually complain about…yet The One is getting a pass for being a $700M capitalist stool pigeon.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

What does “svat” mean? Is it anything like “neice?”

When you get tired of being afraid of technology companies and the mainstream media, would you consider teaching us your simple, colorful language? English is so dreadfully boring. I'm ready for something new and exciting.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

I'm going to go out on a limb and indicate that Adam is not presently incarcerated.

Let's check again in a couple of days. And let's hope that no prepubescent girls go missing in his neighborhood, in the interim.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Socialist Realist Art? Post it here. You have nothing to be afraid of, remember?

“A higher bar of disclosure should be expected.”

Normative statements like that one need a reference. Who should expect it? Why? If you don't feel that he showed you enough, don't vote for him. Problem solved.

There's no requirement that he disclose anything. Otherwise we would all have lined up to make Bush disclose everything about himself, from his failure to qualify for admission to Yale without being a “legacy” admittee, to his failure to show up for Air National Guard service, to his failure to find oil in Texas, to his failure to run a baseball team that was competently run by his father's friends, to his failure to respond to American natural disasters, to his failure to run Dick Cheney's Presidency without trashing the Constitution and half the planet (the half that is inhabited by brown people).

Nothing embarrassing about any conduct of Obama's, whether with regard to Saudi kings or anyone else. Bush asked the Saudi Ambassador what he thought about Bush's idea of running for President – Bandhar was the first person Governor Bush consulted about it. Bush flew Saudi nationals out of the U.S. in the days after 9/11, when Americans were not allowed to fly. Bush ignored the terrorist who told us that 3 Saudi princes knew in advance about 9/11 and said nothing. The Saudi government killed all three princes within a month of finding out about that information.

You're silly. If you want to focus on lobbyists who have politicians' ears, where the hell were you during the Abramoff scandal? You're not too late; it's still going on. It just doesn't involve mulattoes or black people's underage daughters, so you're not interested.

Dumb. Ass.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Why are you so afraid of Microsoft? Would it help if I got you a night light and let you sleep with your door open?


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Anti-gun control, pro-gay marriage and adoption, for some restrictions on abortion, curbs on immigration, voucher schooling and privatized mass transit, socialized (Dellums bill-style) medicine with open-shop practitioners (no professional associations), right-to-work laws, no war in Iraq, military action on Waziristan and terrorist-funding Gulf emirates, no missile defense (but upgrades to strategic and tactical airlift)…kind of a mixed bag.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

I'm not into prepubescents of any persuasion. (I am, however, sexually-attracted to women with large hands, a la Kate Beckinsale. Especially, if they're holding guns.) However, ugly children are depressing things–a sign that the species is going to pot. If I was one of those End Times types, I'd see Chelsey Clinton as a sign of the Apocalypse.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

Essentially, I compared socialist-realist art with the work of Paul Cadmus and Attila Richard Lukacs (similar themes, and such). The only politically-damaging thing one could infer from it is that I have bisexual tendancies. (That, and my fondness for musicals and the ability to destinguish taupe from beige.)

ALL politicians are untrustworthy, until proven otherwise. Bush (and Cheney) certainly deserved the scrutiny they got in the media. However, the self-censorship in the mainstream media over Obama (thanks to their investment in his candidacy) and, even worse, by the independant progressive media, is scandalous. Possibly, it's PC people who think they're walking on eggshells over the 'race' issue, or maybe they were silly enough to believe what their favorite entertainers told them about Hope and Change.

Not that conservatives are any better. Witness the deep silence over that senile buffoon Ronnie's role in creating the Mujaheddin-cum-Taliban. Read conservative literature from the '80s-'90s, where people like PJ O'Rourke thought that the Salafis/Wahhabis weren't any worse than Billy Graham, and the National Post gushed about the Mujaheddin fighting the Godless commies. Also, the bogus WMD thing: leading to a war that made Arabia safe from those scary secular Ba'athists, so the Wahhabis could multiply like a staph infection.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

I have an essential tremor and bad arthritis, so the odd typo is to be expected. Then again, it COULD just be stupidity…

Here's the NRA thing for ya:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read….

The mainstream media is the tool of the…mainstream media. Media-telecom companies have certain interests (e.g., whitespace reallocation). They put up funds for a candidate, so he'll further their interests. They run favorable coverage of that candidate and suppress anything that isn't good press, even after he's elected (like the Saudi bow incident). Nothing Satanic about it. The only difference between McCain and Obama here was the advantage of having the mass media sector as corporate patron.

Having a corporate-funded inauguration is tacky as Hell. At least, in the past, politicians pretended they weren't in the pockets of big business. The “point of my gibberish” is that there has to be a radical overhaul of campaign finance laws. The concentration of mass media ownership (and the involvment of cross-sector and institutional ownership, like union pension funds) seriously warps political coverage.

AS for the National Review, they thought the Mujaheddin were the cat's meow. Conservatoives like to toss apout the word 'socialist', to cover their own big-money butts.


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

It means 'arrange marriage'. Please don't start on some antisemitic rant, like all the Obamamaniacs are now doing re. Netanyahu:

http://www.voltairenet.org/article161601.html


Adam
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

I'm not afraid of FAT eating my files, or spyware stealing my Paypal info–I use Linux.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 12:43 am

Adam, you child-molestor-in-waiting, you're a bad liar.

I sifted through the bullshit at that NRA link. If you read the .pdf of Obama for America's lawyer, Bob Bauer, you'll find NO threat of license revocation. Bauer is just asking the station to consider whether it wants to run false advertisements (the Washington Post gave the NRA ads three “Pinocchio's,” after all).

Bauer writes “For the sake of both FCC licensing requirements and the public interest, your station should refuse to continue to air this advertisement.”

There is no threat of any kind in there, you paranoid whack job. Just because the NRA says something doesn't make it true. Read the .pdf.

Obama for America's counsel does not work for the FCC in any way. Nor is he threatening anyone's license.

If I see you about to rob a bank and I remind you that doing so is illegal and carries a jail sentence, I'm not threatening you.

Does your “essential tremor” excuse your idiocy, or just your inability to spell a few choice words? Funny how you can type a lot of blather without adding extraneous letters, but you seem out of your depth when trying to spell. You try to do it phonetically, which has nothing to do with a tremor or arthritis. Seek “council” for that. You'll find that the tutor market is quite “compeditive” in this economy.

So, you think the media suppresses anything that isn't good press, for anyone who they've made campaign donations to? Interesting. What color is the sun on your home planet?

Media companies, like all large companies, give to every major national politician. Bush wasn't loved by the liberal media, but his dirty laundry didn't get aired. Clinton was adored by the liberal media, but we all saw Monica's stained dress and read about it ad nauseum. Obama is well-regarded by the entire spectrum of intelligent people, from left to right, but he still had to put up with Reverend Wright running 24/7 for months, and he cannot keep Fox News from saying ridiculous shit about him for more than six minutes at a time.

You have not proven that any corporation “funded” the Inauguration. You're totally full of shit. At best, you CLAIM that Microsoft “sponsored” it. Who did Microsoft pay? NBC? Or the federal government? If Microsoft paid some private landowner or paid some network, big deal! Advertising pays for television. Wow, there's a newsflash.

So do you have any evidence that Microsoft FUNDED the Inauguration? Because if so, that's really cool of Microsoft. I hate having taxpayer dollars get wasted. So if a private company wants to step up and pay the bill for the party, I say thank goodness for corporate generosity.

But, of course, I don't believe you for a second. You went from “sponsored” to “funded” and never provided proof of either.

And your nonsense about the NRA and Obama's people somehow threatening to revoke licenses from TV and radio stations (debunked just by reading the friggin' letter the NRA was dumb enough to post – or maybe they know that their target audience uses motivated reasoning and won't bother reading any links they post to anything written by the opposition) is simply further reason to doubt anything else you tell us.

You told us quite enough when you WOULD NOT SHUT THE FUCK UP about Obama's wife and underage daughter.

What's a “Conservatoive?” Is it someone who tosses “apout” words they don't know anything about? Sounds like you.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 12:46 am

Your love of underage girls and women with man-hands is noted. Why not just stop pretending? Why keep denying yourself what you really want?

Little boys and men with soft, gentle, slow hands that will stroke your little pea-shooter for you.

Ugly children aren't as depressing as adults who are ugly about children.

And you can't even spell “Chelsea” as in “Chelsea Clinton.” Is that because of your tremor, you dumbass? Or is that because of your jungle fever?

Where do you get off mocking Chelsea? I bet you were one ugly motherfucker when you were a teenager, and I bet you still are now. Both a teenager and one ugly motherfucker, that is.

When you are lucky enough to find a woman too fat to run away from you successfully, and too worn out from running uphill to resist your advances when you finally catch up to her, I hope your own children get teased for their looks. They should be so lucky as to grow up and be as pretty as Chelsea Clinton is today. You'd be drunk-texting both of your friends if a woman half as good-looking as Chelsea Clinton ever made eye contact with you without grimacing and turning away.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 12:55 am

No, Adam. To have “bisexual tendancies,” one would have to be attracted to both sexes. You're into boys. That's why you want a woman with big hands. So you're still homosexual, just faking it.

And one would also have to be a shitty speller. What's your arthritis got to do with your intellect? Are your shaky hands unable to slap yourself to remind yourself not to be so stupid? Now would be a good time to find out.

You do have tendencies toward revealing way too much about yourself, though. We're not interested in your sexual fantasies or your love of musicals.

“ALL politicians are untrustworthy, until proven otherwise…staph infection.”

Look, if you're going to do nothing but cover old songs written by Tuci78, at least try to learn a few Italian words. Or elaborate endlessly about what to do about that there staph infection. I know…hire a new staff! (rimshot)

You're a crappy substitute for Tuci78. And at least he never expressed sexual interest in the President's daughter. He was at least, so far as we know, merely attracted to the President.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 1:01 am

Yes, and you've told us that you use Linux several times now.

What's that got to do with your absurd fear of Microsoft?

If you use Linux, why are you so bothered about Microsoft, or Obama, for that matter? Aren't you in open-source bliss? Are you wearing a red hat?

More to the point, who installed Linux for you? You've got an essential tremor, arthritis, bisexual “tendancies,” crushes on underage black girls, a longing for a big-handed chick to stroke a gun for you, fear of a black planet, an inability to admit when you're wrong, and a weird fascination with the media.

How, in the midst of all that, did you find time to do unspeakable sexual things for someone who understands computers such that they would install software for you?

And what does your weird hangup about tech companies have to do with whether Obama is eligible? You're REALLY far afield here, child-molestor-in-waiting.


Adam
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 4:23 am

Seriously, if you're attracted to Chelsea Clinton, or her pantsuit-attired mother (the female version of Newt Gingrich), you ought to see an opthamologist.

Since your man-crush Barry seems to enjoy bowing before the Sultan of Sodomy Arserapia, you should come clean with your pederastic urges. Salafi/Wahhabi Islam tolerates and even encourages pederasty. NATO troops complain of the 'man-boy thursdays' in that rotten Islamic culture. Women are supposed to wear bags on their heads, but those Qur'an-thumping misogynists like to bang little boys. REmember THAT the next time B.O. goes on about how wonderful the religion of Mohammed (who married a 9 year old, Aisha).

Like Mohammed and his child-molesting followers, you seem to have a phobia of women with large hands. Obama's refusal to use the term 'War on Terror' is the verbal equivalent to that genital-sniffing bow of supplication to the Guardian of Mecca and Medina, and an affront to the memories of those who died on 9/11 and 7/7.


Adam
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 4:24 am

This thread keeps on going, 'cause the epithets're so nasty, it's fun!


Adam
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Since you defend Obama so vigorously, I'm assuming that you share his love for Islam: the religion of pederasty and a 'prophet' who married a nine year old. On the child molestation front, you protest too much. Or maybe you have some creepy fixation for fellatio, from B.O.'s cyanotic lips (TIAs? mitral valve prolapse? he never DID release his medical records).

Really, just WHY are you defending this man?


Adam
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 4:39 am

No 'Red Hat'–I'ma Slackware guy.

You don't find corporate control of your medical records creepy? Doesn't the concentration of media ownership bug you? Doesn't the Presidential power to shut down the internet scare you?

This racial thing is ridiculous. Obama is just as 'white' as he is black'. The whole 'if you criticize The One, you must be a bigot' thing is a stinky red herring. By the way, have you seen the Obamamaniacs conspiracy theories about how the Jews are behind 'birtherism'? How's THAT for racism?

AS for the child moestation thing…I'm assuming you keep bringing this false accusation up because of your joy over Obama's constant praise for that religion of pederasty and preteen girl marriage (Aisha was NINE when the 'prophet' Mohammed screwed her).


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 12:11 pm

“My thesis was on Socialist Realist art. There you have it.

Why yes, thank you, I will have fries with that.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

Hospitals keep admission records from 47 years ago?


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

I have posted this before and have yet to receive a reasonable answer from a birther. Let me try reframing the question for you.

1) President Obama posted a document on line. This image is of a certified copy of a Hawaiian birth certificate. This copy was issued in 2007.
2) The same document was later examined and photographed by FactCheck and the photographic images posted on-line.
3) Some people claim that these images are fake, or that the document shown in these images is fake.
4) Birthers and reporters have made numerous inquiries to the director of the Department of Health, the State registrar, the Governor and probably every other Republican state official as well as to the authenticity of these on-line images.
5) It is within the official duties and responsibilities of the state Registrar and the director of the Department of Health to maintain the integrity of their files and records. It is their duty to investigate any reported cases of fraud involving state Certified Documents.
6) We know that the director of the department of Health (and presumably the state Registrar as well, have examined the original documentation in the state records.
7) Given the number of inquiries into this subject (see point 4, above), it is reasonable to assume that the director of public health, the registrar, the Governor, the State Attorney General, etc. have all seen the on-line images of the document.
8) It is against the law in Hawaii to alter or forge a state certified document.
9) If the actual data in the state records differs from the data in the on-line document, then that would be immediate and direct proof that the on-line document is in fact a fake as some have claimed.
10) If so, then the State officials who have the direct responsibility of enforcing state regulations, would have concrete evidence that President Obama violated those state laws by posting a fake certified document on-line.

Given this situation, why haven’t the state officials acted on this?

I really want to hear your theories.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

They are scared. They know what is actually in the files on Obama (if there are any) and they know what he posted on the internet is counterfeit. Which one of them do you think will have the balls to blow the whistle?

And it all the 30 to 40 lawsuits that have been filed to force Obama to disclose and release his birth records and other documents are frivolous, idiotic and without grounds, why haven't Obama's lawyers answered them with libel lawsuits or counter-suits for damages? Because if they did, they would have to drag out the very documents that the lawsuits have been demanding the production of. Every one of those plaintiffs is just itching for a legal response like that from the Obama attorneys.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

Yatta, yatta, yatta……..blah, blah, blah………..Okay back to the central theses. The Emperor has no clothes (or proof of US birth). Yes, I'm saying it now again. His “COLB” is a fake. He has no original Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii stating that he was born alive IN HAWAII! If he did, he or his lying mouthpiece, Gibbs would have released it by now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHwxk7ljJBE&feat…

Libel? Slander? I think it would be just wonderful if one of Obama's many lawyers would just go ahead and file a counter-suit against one of the plaintiffs in any of the nearly forty lawsuits that have been filed demanding proof of US birth and/or citizenship status of the “president”. Let the “requests for productions” begin!


Randwulf
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

Here again is a clip that kind of sums it all up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

Randwulf wrote: ”They are scared. They know what is actually in the files on Obama (if there are any) and they know what he posted on the internet is counterfeit.”

Oh, please. That is the biggest conspiracy theorist cop-out. In other words, you are saying that you are braver than everyone else. That everyone else is a sniveling, pusillanimous coward. Give me a break.

Randwulf wrote: ” Which one of them do you think will have the balls to blow the whistle?

Why you, of course {/snort}


Randwulf
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

Typical response from your side of the issue. It will all come out one way or the other. Why do you think Obama refuses to release his long form BC or any of the other personal records about his mysterious past? I mean, being that he is so pro-transparency and all.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Do you not understand that insurance companies are corporations, and that insurance companies control your medical records, Mister Microsoft-Is-Gonna-Eat-My-Zwieback?

You are a psychology grad student’s wet dream. You have serious issues.

The concentration of media ownership doesn’t bug me. The concentration of oil ownership does. But you know, anti-trust laws are what they are. No sense tilting at windmills.

The Presidential power to shut down the internet does not scare me. First of all you just made it up, and you’re not scary. Just perverted and dim-witted.

But more to the point, the President ALSO has the power to push a button and make a country disappear off the globe leaving nothing but a mushroom cloud behind. He also has the power to prosecute wars against other countries, and his military decisions are orders that cannot be disobeyed.

If you’re okay with THAT, but you’re afraid you could no longer be able to look at Japanese anime porn, then you’re doing what Jefferson warned against in “choking on a gnat while swallowing a camel.”

I am not going to dignify your racism gibberish with a response.

I don’t know what “child moestation” is and can’t really contribute that much there, either. But it sounds like some sort of phenomenon by which children are turned into Moe Syzlak, the bartender from the Simpsons. If so, that’s terrible. Moe is an ugly person inside and out. I’d hate to know that children are experiencing moestation. Is there some sort of charity I can donate to so that we can find a cure?

Oh, so the Prophet screwed a 9 year old? Ok. Noted. Did you know that the Old Testament God flooded the planet because he was ticked off at a few people?

Ever hear about how well Lot’s wife adjusted to being turned into a pillar of salt?

How did King David’s wife adjust to having her REAL husband murdered by King David so that he could screw her?

Let me know how those of Pharoah’s subjects who had nothing against Israelites did when God smote every last one of them.

And then stop picking on a religion. You’re on a liberal comment board. Do you seriously expect that anyone will appreciate your attempt at humor?

Try your luck in freeperville or RedState, you pedophile racist buffoon.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

“Yes, I'm saying it now again. His 'COLB' is a fake.”

Yes, and I'm writing again that you are pulling that from the same portion of your ass where you found your imaginary wife, your imaginary ethnicity and your imaginary military service.

But I bet your hatred of Jane Fonda, expressed in one of your timeless rants, is all too real.

You don't have any evidence whatsoever that the COLB is fake. Do you know something that World Net Daily's document forgery experts do not? They found no evidence of forgery, after all:

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

And the fact that he and Robert Gibbs have not provided you idiots with more documentation is not proof of anything except that you idiots have no political clout. He's ignoring you. Do you understand that?

I know you hate to be ignored, Roguewind. That's why I respond to you. You're attention-starved. How long has it been, by the way, since that baboon with the really cute inflamed red posterior stopped letting you touch her special area?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

He doesn't need to release his “personal records.” They have nothing to do with whether his birth certificate is authentic.

And haven't you read the birther Platonic dialogues?

http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2009/01/for-in…

Obama released his birth certificate. Idiots claimed, without evidence, that it's fake. He'd have to be stupid to release anything else. Idiots would just claim, without evidence, that everything else he releases is fake too.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

I'm not attracted to Chelsea Clinton. I just recognize that she's a pretty young woman and that it's wrong for adults to mock a child's appearance.

Nor am I afraid of women with large hands. You're thinking of Jerry Seinfeld. He was the one who couldn't date “Man-Hands,” although I do think it would be cool to see my date break a lobster with her hands. And not have it be a mermaid played by Darryl Hannah from Splash.

The rest of your post isn't worth a response. “Sultan of Sodomy?” Didn't I tell you that if you're going to try to plow field that Tuci78 already dragged his muckrake through, you need to step it up?

You have issues. Anything to do with Muslims or underage girls, for example.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

No, what's nasty is your fixation on underage girls and your perverse descriptions of Muslims. “Sultan of Sodomy” was the most polite one from you thus far.

What's fun is pointing out your weird phobia of technology companies and your absurd inability to understand the world around you.


Steve X
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 4:16 am

It took me about three days before I threw in the towel. I knew I was impatient, but that was pretty quick even for me. Evil I can deal with, but stupidity is something I refuse to tolerate.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

When did you stop beating your wife, Adam?

You're compounding errors now.

You built a falsehood into the premise, from which you made an unsupported leap.

I'm not vigorously defending Obama. How hard do you really suppose it is to make YOU look stupid? I'm really focused on other things while I write to you. I pretty much just hold up a mirror so that you can see how dumb you look.

And I didn't give you any reason to suppose that I'm a Muslim or that I'm a Muslim-lover.

And there's a fellatio reference involving Obama! See, you ARE a poor man's Tuci78. At least he would put things in italics, underlined, and bold font to show us he really meant HIS gibberish. You just sorta let yours float out with the current. Not as effective. Your heart's not in it. Probably because you're picturing some celebrity's preteen daughter. Or son.


JimPA
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:30 am

So Adam, Barbara Nelson answered your simple question, right?.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:34 am

Produce the original or shut the fuck up! I'll say it again. PRODUCE THE ORIGINAL OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!

NONE OF YOU HAVE SHOWED ANYTHING THAT PROVES ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR “PRESIDENT” HAS SHOWN NOTHING PROVING ANYTHING THAT WOULD LEAD ANY REASONABLE PERSON TO BELIEVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN OBAMA IS LYING AND IS IN NO WAY AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.

WE WILL SEE THE ORIGINAL! NOW OR LATER. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 1:55 am

If we could see ANY of it at this point, we would definitely be suspicious of all of it. He is a liar of insane proportions. Every single aspect of his life is questionable. If you all think that his “COLB” is real, by all means, put it into the hands of some neutral forensics expert and then let's just see. I' m really tired of this bullshit. Obama will come clean or be found out. The truth WILL be known and there isn't a God-damned thing that any of you can do to stop that from happening. Get fucking used to it.


JimPA
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Welcome back Randy. President Obama has produced his BC. We really don't care if this is too difficult for you to understand. Facts are facts.


JimPA
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 3:25 am

Dude – “Every single aspect of his life is questionable.” Are we talking about you?


stephenperry
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 3:50 am

Hey, Roguewind, mind if I let you in on a secret?

Whoever told you that CAPSLOCK is persuasive really fooled you.

Just like the guy who told you that if you feed it enough rum-soaked bananas, a gorilla will pass out with no memory of the surrounding events.

Glad to notice that you're getting upset again. That charade where you pretended that you and I were merely engaging in “banter” was about as credible as when you tried to say that none of my insults have the slightest effect on you.

Tell you what. You produce some evidence that the COLB is fake. Until then, we're not going to produce the original. Nor are we going to “SHUT THE FUCK UP.”

But I will meet you halfway. I will continue posting insults and reminders of your lies to you, but I will type very quietly. My fingers are barely touching the keys. So it's almost like I DID shut up. That's the best you can hope for, really.

Oh, and how's the fake wife? Is she putting up with your fake gripes about your nonexistent military service? Fake wives are known to be patient and understanding. I hope your fake wife isn't like that. It's more fun to think of your fake wife nagging you and your blow-up doll telling you that it's that time of the month.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Yeah, see that's the thing. You birther doofuses aren't rational or objective. If “you could see ANY of it,” you admit that you'd “definitely be suspicious of all of it.”

Which is exactly why no sane person would ever try to appease you by producing legitimate evidence. We've been over this. You're dense. I must remember that you cannot process information like other primates can.

Never fear though, Roguewind. Although no one would ever try to present genuine evidence, I'm sure another fake birth certificate is being prepared by someone else who wants to punk you birthers like the last person did with the one that fooled Orly. It's good for a few laughs.

So until that day comes, sit tight. Or go learn something about how people are not actually made entirely of salt. Or go pound salt up your ass, like you suggested that I try (I don't want to. Doesn't sound like as much fun as mocking you.).

What you do with your time is really up to you. But you have to recognize that every second you spend NOT presiding over some American Grand Jury's proceeding is a second when you're missing your calling.

Well, maybe not presiding. But you could be there to put on evidence, as long as Some guy named Alan is still on speaking terms with you. You could be the guy who shows them irrelevant YouTube clips about guys getting hit in the groin in various sporting events.

Obama is President, “and there isn't a God-damned thing that any of you can do to stop that from happening. Get fucking used to it.”


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 12:17 pm

Randwulf: “Produce the original or I'll hold my breath untill I turn blue!!!!”


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

Yes, I'm saying it now again. His “COLB” is a fake.

Let Mark Bennet, the Hawaiian Attorney General know that.

Tell him you want to report an ID theft.

Department of the Attorney General
425 Queen Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
Telephone: (808) 586-1500

http://hawaii.gov/ag/main/contact_dept/main/for…
Fax: (808) 586-1239


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

“Obama is President” or at least trying to pass himself off as such. But not for much longer. Every day that he stonewalls is costing him. Distrust and disgust of him are growing daily. His own supporters are fading away. I can guarantee you that this “birther” thing will hang around his neck like the proverbial albatross. Due to the abject cowardice of the bulk of the rest of our federal government officials, we may be stuck with him until 2012 but at that point, he would be wasting money and time if he ran again. Even with the bought-and-paid-for media there to praise him (again). That is, if he is able to last three more years without getting pitched out of office in disgrace. What will you guys call it I wonder? “Birther-gate”? How fucking poetic.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

Whatever Jim.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

The “evidence” that the “COLB” is fake is in the fact that NOBODY in any position of official government authority has EVER seen it or handled it. Let alone investigated it or seen any kind of supporting document (original birth certifiCATE) with which to compare it. That is, outside of the State of Hawaii where apparently, the issue of Certifications and original Certificates of Live Birth have always been a sloppy, confused and unprofessional process for many decades. I wouldn't be surprised if what they have is some kind of signed statement somewhere saying that BHO was born on the island somewhere with only his mother and grandmother present. How convenient that they are both allegedly dead. But who knows. I haven't seen any death certificates for them. Which by the way, can still be obtained from Vital Statistics as photocopies of the originals. Same size and weight as the birth certificates and I would presume, about the same distance from the copy machine. Interesting.

Oh yes. Banter. That was good. The part about the “rum-soaked bananas”. Very impressive argument. Oh, and how about “STOP TYPING THE FUCK UP!”

Better? (Sorry about the Caps Lock.)


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

” The “evidence” that the “COLB” is fake is in the fact that NOBODY in any position of official government authority has EVER seen it or handled it.”

So if I go into the DOH and order my COLB from the clerk who prints it out, stamps dates hands it to me, it is fake because the governor never touched it?


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

“Let alone investigated it or seen any kind of supporting document (original birth certifiCATE) with which to compare it. “

you are claiming a negative and since it is impossible to prove a negative, your argument fall flat on its face.


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

That is, outside of the State of Hawaii where apparently, the issue of Certifications and original Certificates of Live Birth have always been a sloppy, confused and unprofessional process for many decades.

Got any real proof of this?

No?

Another fail


ant_on_a_log
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

How convenient that they are both allegedly dead. But who knows. I haven't seen any death certificates for them.

How convenient that you allegedly have a brain, but who knows? I haven’t seen any evidence of that.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

See, Roguewind, here's the problem… You're an idiot. And you're a touchy, sensitive idiot. You get wound up far too easily. It's not our fault that we mock you. You go out of your way to be a butt-head.

No, the alleged fact that nobody who you approve of has seen the COLB is not evidence that it is fake. It isn't evidence of anything except the fact that you are neither rational nor objective.

You don't believe anything the State of Hawai'i says, through its officials? Then why the hell would anyone bother trying to show you an original birth certificate from Hawai'i?

And now your working theory is that Obama's mother and grandmother are not dead? They're really just touring Laughlin, Nevada with Elvis Presley, right? I guess I can understand why they would try to hide and be anonymous. After what George W. Bush did to the Presidency, it's not as cool to say “My little boy grew up to be ruler of the free world,” is it?

I'm not “TYPING THE FUCK UP.” You're the fuck-up. So, fuck-up, stop typing.

“And that'll be the end of all this horror.” –Marge Simpson to Homer, who won't return Lard Lad's stolen giant doughnut, in a Halloween episode


stephenperry
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Wow, Roguewind, when you went away and hid for a while, you must have gotten low on food. Did you resort to eating what your pet primates eat? Their stomachs are used to eating bugs and spoiled fruit. Yours, obviously, is not. You've lost what little sanity you once had.

You've never been a perceptive lad. You're barely aware of when you're being mocked. But now you're a LONG way from the train station that could help you get back to civilization.

You can't guarantee me anything about a proverbial albatross. There's no proverb about any albatross. Do you even know who Samuel Taylor Coleridge is? Probably not. I seriously doubt that you were ever sitting still in class long enough to hear your teacher say there's no point in exposing your remedial class to The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. But that's where the albatross comes from. It is not from a proverb in the Bible, you idiot.

And now it's around YOUR neck. And it's not an albatross.

It's that monkey you impregnated on prom night. Who knew that going bareback JUST ONCE could come back to bite you in the ass? I mean, we know the monkey bit you on the ass for raping it. But still, you have BAD luck, kiddo.

We're not stuck with Obama until 2012 because of abject cowardice on the part of federal officials. Obama won the election in 2008 because of the abject stupidity of the Republican party leadership and its flag officer George W. Bush. He will win re-election in 2012 because of many factors, but one of them is the abject cowardice, racism, and stupidity of birthers like you.

So, when you get finished cleaning the carpets because of what your monkey did when you left it home alone, you should look into taking a seven year trip around the world. When you come back, there's a great chance that the President will not be a black guy. But there's a better than average chance the President will be a white woman named Hillary.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

No no, not “whatever.” You. We're questioning every aspect of your made-up life.

Thus far, we have established that you lied about:

The name under which you post at a white nationalist website;

The military service you never experienced;

The injury from a military helicopter you never fell out of;

The hostility you feel toward Jane Fonda for things she never did;

The “more than half a century” you did not spend studying the English language;

The ethnicity you were born with;

The wife you never married;

The ex-wife you never divorced;

The new, 2nd wife you never married;

The ethnicity of wives 1 and 2; and

The death of wives 1 and 2.

Had you not fucked up and subsequently forgotten that you'd claimed both wives were dead before you went on talking about them being alive, I might have believed that each woman committed ritual suicide rather than be exposed to the diseases you contracted by sodomizing unwilling monkeys during your two-decade-long period of “youthful indiscretion.”

So the only question is, why did you come back here to get mocked and taunted again? You still have less than no evidence that Obama is ineligible. You still have less than no idea how to express coherent thoughts. You still have less than no idea how to remember your lies from one day to the next.

Never mind why you came back. I'm glad you did. Adam bored me. He was trying to pretend to be Tuci78. At least you know your place. You just try to entertain us with your idiocy.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Hey if you don't believe that one little film clip of Big Foot walking in front of the camera is proof that there is a Big Foot, well, what more can I tell you? You must be a fucking idiot and no matter what else I might show you, you still won't believe that was Big Foot! I mean, what do you mean there isn't proof. Look! There is an image of him right there on the film for all to see. You can google it. It's all over the internet. Is that your “reasoning” Stevie? We have images of Obama's “COLB” posted on the web. People have said that they have seen it. Just like Robert Gibbs said. “Are you looking for the President's birth certificate Lester….ah it is on the internet…..”

You said: “No, the alleged fact that nobody who you approve of has seen the COLB is not evidence that it is fake.”

You are incorrect. Hawaiian officials have given out what amounts to an official non-statement without even one bit of specific information about the nature of Obama's original birth certificate if in deed that is what they have. They won't even name a hospital if there was one. There must be a reason for that and a reason for the fact that no Hawaiian hospital is claiming or has ever claimed that he was born in their facility. You have a comment to make concerning that I'm sure. I'd love to hear it. Tell me where BHO was born. What has Hawaii got to say about that? Was he born in a pineapple patch?

A certified copy of his original paper, long form birth certificate should have been made available to the federal election authority and to the election authority of each of the states (all 57 of them) way back before the election last fall. We are all still waiting.

Okay, so tell me what hospital and doctor are responsible for this mess and then go back to you cartoons.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Grow up and dream on.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

After lightly skipping across all that, I conclude that not one bit of it had a thing to do with the “president's” refusal to prove his US birthplace but instead was a continued spew of insults and invective aimed at me. Great tactic. How's that workin out for ya?

Obama loses more of his following with every day that he continues to lie and stonewall about his secret past. But keep up the insult assault by all means. It is the only tool you have in your arsenal at this point.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


Randwulf
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


stephenperry
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 7:44 am

Go back to “you” dictionary, Roguewind. You're still an idiot.

No, the Bigfoot (not “Big Foot,” you idiot) clip is not an apt analogy.

See, there's NO evidence that there's Bigfoot. Just crackpots and made-up films. There's nothing about Bigfoot correlative to the Hawai'ian government officials confirming that Obama's original vital records state that he was born in Hawai'i.

Now, maybe if Stephen Jay Gould confirmed that he has examined and autopsied a Bigfoot specimen, that would be closer to the same thing.

You don't know what evidence is. I am not incorrect. You are.

Hawai'ian officials told us the only thing that matters. Obama was born in their state. It doesn't matter what hospital he was born in, which is why they don't name a hospital.

It's all nonsense from you birthers. If they DID name a hospital, you would just say they didn't name the physician. If they did that, you'd say they didn't name his birth weight. And on and on.

“Okay, so tell me what hospital and doctor are responsible for this mess and then go back to you cartoons.”

Before you go back to “you” dictionary, I will humor you with an answer. Kapi'olani is the hospital. Dr. West is the doctor. Have you already forgotten the story in the Buffalo newspaper about Barbara Nelson?

Okay then, time to get started on your next half-century studying the English language.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 7:46 am

No matter how many times you post this, no one will watch it. We're still too interested in mocking you.

How's the fake wife? Is she still fitting into your fake life, or do you need to pretend that she's dead again? High five!


stephenperry
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 7:48 am

Roguewind, you have GOT to stop writing to yourself. Sometimes you get confused and write messages to yourself when you're nominally replying to other people.

I'm usually rather generous and lenient with you, so you're lucky that you did this to me and not someone else, who might not be so gentle in reminding you of your idiocy.

Try to stay alert so that this won't happen again.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 7:51 am

It's not insults and invective. It's just a short history of your own conflicting lies.

Speaking of which, how's that fake life “workin out for ya?” Better than your sad sack real life, I'd wager.

See, the problem with you is that you're too stupid to know what's going on, even when you're being mocked.

Obama isn't lying or stonewalling. You have got to hope that someone else will come along and post better birther arguments than you do, so that you can go “Yeah! What he said!”

Until then, you're just going to have to hug your knees and try not to cry over your fake dead wife and your real idiocy issues.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 8:06 am

Roguewind, I mean Brokewind, how many times will you post that same stupid YouTube clip before you realize no one looks at your clips?

If I keep reminding you of how stupid you are, will you promise to keep spamming the threads with irrelevant YouTube clips?

I've got a bet going. I'm pretty sure I can get you to start posting to yourself AND RESPONDING again.

And I hedged my bets. I also bet that I can get you to wail about how someone's fucking with your links again.

Both of those bets look pretty good right now, eh, Brokewind?


stephenperry
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 8:11 am

“Okay back to the central theses.”

You shouldn't use words you don't understand, Brokewind.

It's thesis, not theses. Singluar, not plural. I'm not surprised. You wouldn't know what a thesis was if it grew hair, walked around on balled-up fists, howled for bananas, and learned sign language. But I bet you'd be writing poetry to a thesis instead of to a monkey, for a change.


JimPA
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 12:58 pm

Ouch. That's going to leave a mark, Randy.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

What part of the clip above is not true? Stay on topic. Type less. Say more.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

Yeah, yeah. What is the correct spelling of “doofus” Doofus? Is yadda different from yatta? Or should it be iatta or jahduh? I'll have to check my International Yiddish Dictionary. And of course the theses are theses. Obama is lying. Obama is not U.S. born. Obama has produced a “COLB” that has never been authenticated by the Federal Election Commission. Obama refuses to release whatever Hawaiian officials claim to have on him in their vault. Obama was born in Kenya. Obama was a non-U.S. citizen at birth. His name may not have even been listed as “Obama” if he has any kind of paperwork in Hawaii. If he does, it will not list a hospital or attending physician. Shall I go on?

Stevie's first grade teacher describing her memories of him: “it grew hair, walked around on balled-up fists, howled for bananas, and learned sign language.” Charming. Thanks for sharing that bit of your past with us.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

“Before you go back to “you” dictionary, I will humor you with an answer. Kapi'olani is the hospital. Dr. West is the doctor. Have you already forgotten the story in the Buffalo newspaper about Barbara Nelson?”

Okay then. Those two gems of information should be on the original Certificate of Live Birth then. Right? All that is needed now it for THAT document to be produced to confirm this. Also, you said that Kapaiolani will confirm this or already has? Right? Great! Show me a link to that. Such bullshit! There has been absolutely NO confirmation of or by the hospital or the doctor. You are a lying little piece of shit! And I think we will likely find a real BIG FOOT before we will see a REAL U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE for Obama.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

You have no idea what I'm SAYING, Brokewind.

You cannot hear me. But you can read what I write. Well, you can sound out the small words. When your mom gets home she can help you with the ones that are too hard for you.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Ok this will be fun. Let's go through your claims and see what you can prove, since you're the one making the claims.

1. “Obama is lying.”

Really? About what? This should be good. Clinton lied about a blowjob and almost got removed from office. Therefore, since you know Obama is lying about something, this should be a promising avenue of exploration. What's he lying about, and how do you know?

2. “Obama is not U.S. born.”

Oh ok. Where was he born, and what proof do you have? Shouldn't you have shared this proof with your fellow birthers, including without limitation your hero Tuci78, and with Orly Taitz and Phil Berg? Because really, kiddo, you left the other birthers hanging and now their reputations are sullied. Way to let your team down.

3. “Obama has produced a 'COLB' that has never been authenticated by the Federal Election Commission.”

That's an interesting negative proposition. Can you prove it? Or did you just make it up and hope that someone will say “yes he did,” at which point you can tell them to prove it? My sense is you have no evidence that Obama's eligibility was not confirmed by all official bodies who had any legitimate need to determine his eligibility. But if you have that evidence, why the hell didn't you tell Senator John McCain sometime before November 4, 2008?

I think you're just engaging in wishful thinking again, like when you thought you could overpower that female chimp. They're small but wiry, and very determined!

4. “Obama refuses to release whatever Hawaiian officials claim to have on him in their vault.”

Who told you that Obama refused to release something that it is illegal for the Republican government of Hawai'i to release? Where do you get your information? You know, “Link to this. Link to that. Fucking net nerd, get a life!” –RandwulfRoguewindBrokewind

5. “Obama was born in Kenya.”

Who told you this? Ron McRae? We need admissible evidence from a credible source, so that we can run down to the Capitol Rotunda (past the place where you think Obama's birth certificate should be on permanent, guarded display under protective glass) and get some House members to take up impeachment proceedings.

6. “Obama was a non-U.S. citizen at birth.”

You're starting to cover old ground here. You already told us that. But where's the proof?

7. “His name may not have even been listed as 'Obama' if he has any kind of paperwork in Hawaii.”

May? You don't know? Come on. You were so authoritative before. Why'd you lose your nerve? And didn't you read the COLB? Says “Barack Hussein Obama” on it, plain as day. I'm starting to think you haven't researched the matter at all.

8. “If he does, it will not list a hospital or attending physician.”

Oh now you're just trying to cover yourself no matter what. Heads I win, tails you lose, huh? His birth certificate doesn't have to list either of those things for him to get a passport or a key to the Oval Office. Didn't you read that National Review Online editorial I'm so fond of? I will show it to you again, just in case:

“The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMz…

Now, Brokewind, don't get so caught up reading that article that you forget to provide proof for each of those eight enumerated wild accusations of yours.

Otherwise, you're going to risk losing all that hard-earned credibility you got from Some guy named Alan.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

“Also, you said that Kapaiolani will confirm this or already has? Right?”

No. No. No. You are wrong in three distinct and independently-sufficient ways.

First, I never “said” anything in any post, doofus. My words are written. I realize you read aloud to yourself because you're not too swift. But I still never said anything. So you're wrong.

Second, I never wrote anything about “Kapaiolani.” I don't know what that is. I wrote about “Kapi'olani.”

Third, I never wrote that Kapi'olani “will confirm this or already has.” I told you Kapi'olani is the hospital where he was born. I've seen that reported, and so have you.

Before you start asking anyone to show you a link to anything, you need to show links for all your claims.

And then you have to explain your recent change of heart. After all, when I asked you for evidence, weeks ago, of your absurdity, you told me “Link to this. Link to that. Fucking net nerd, get a life!” So one reasonably supposes you do not value links, evidence, facts, truth, or reality. Or at least you didn't until the moment you wrote this post?

What gives, Brokewind? I mean, aside from your willpower to resist the advances of that ugly redheaded baboon that no one besides you would ever be caught dead taking home from the Banana Bar. I bet that he gives and keeps on giving.

“All that is needed now it for” you to learn the difference between “is” and “it.” You have now fucked that one up more times than you've provided a link to ANY factually true information.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

Well watch the fucking clip and then tell me exactly what is being said on it that you disagree with so that I can type you a message telling you why you are wrong. Fucking idiot. If you can't do that, I'll understand. It deals with the facts instead of just monkeying around with fucking middle-school insultfests. Oh, I'm sorry “doofus”, did I just make up a word there. I know how that upsets you. Well, if I did, it is a great one to describe any thread that you have “graced” with your verbal fecal matter. How much do they pay you there to stay up at all hours flinging pooh? Does your extreme tendency toward stupidity and brainless, foul-mouth invective come as a result of study or does it come naturally to you?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

Exactly what kinds of birth records does Hawaii provide?

Generally, folks don't know that Hawaii law, even in 1961, provided for multiple kinds of birth records, most of which are not what people think of when they think of birth certificates. The following is a description of those, including certificates for people not born in Hawaii. Go figure!

1. In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable:
a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
3. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.
4. A press release concerning numerous questions raised across the country as to whether or not Obama was a natural born citizen was issued on October 31, 2008 by the Hawaii Department of Health by its Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.
5. In that very carefully worded press release, Dr. Fukino said that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
6. The intentional ambiguity of that statement raises more questions that it answered.
7. That statement failed to resolve any of the questions being raised by litigation across the country over the issue of Obama’s birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the United States, including:
a. The specific type of certificate was not identified. Could it be the certificate for someone born outside of the State of Hawaii?
b. Being “on record” could mean either that its contents are in the computer database of the department or an actual “vault” original. If the latter, those are the words used to describe what is there. The data base record could have been entered based on a birth record for someone born outside of Hawaii.
c. Therefore, the value as prima facie evidence is limited and easily overcome if any of the allegations of substantial evidence of birth outside Hawaii can be obtained and verified with a Court Order.
8. It should also be noted that in the face of all this litigation, the simple presentation of Obama’s vault birth records would put the questions to rest.
9. Obama has not taken this approach to a single one of the cases, but instead has hired legal counsel across the country at no small expense to defend the claims with motions to dismiss on standing and similar procedural grounds.
10. Such response to the request for proof that he is qualified to serve as President of the United States of America only serves to raise more questions about this election.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

“Speaking of which, how’s that fake life “workin out for ya?”"

Hey, don’t worry about me. I’m quite real, I can assure you. The question at hand is this:

How is that fake “COLB” for your lord and master workin out for him?

http://www.patriotdepot.com/images/products/display/IDIOT.gif

We’ll see if we can’t get him sent home. Will that be to Kenya or Indonesia?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

“Speaking of which, how’s that fake life “workin out for ya?”"

Hey, don’t worry about me. I’m quite real, I can assure you. The question at hand is this:

How is that fake “COLB” for your lord and master workin out for him?

http://www.patriotdepot.com/images/products/display/IDIOT.gif

We’ll see if we can’t get him sent home. Will that be to Kenya or Indonesia?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

You don’t banter. You spew off-topic shit. There is nothing lighthearted about it. You are a hater. And you aren’t “witty”. You are just a foul-mouthed, smart-ass punk and you probably get your clock cleaned every time you speak to anyone like you write to them on these threads.

Just a big pussy. What branch of the U.S. military did you say you were in? Oh, that’s right you didn’t say, did you? You want to become a shyster someday. That’s it! Perfect.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

You don’t banter. You spew off-topic shit. There is nothing lighthearted about it. You are a hater. And you aren’t “witty”. You are just a foul-mouthed, smart-ass punk and you probably get your clock cleaned every time you speak to anyone like you write to them on these threads.

Just a big pussy. What branch of the U.S. military did you say you were in? Oh, that’s right you didn’t say, did you? You want to become a shyster someday. That’s it! Perfect.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

Here is a link to Obama's only answer as to why he won't provide a copy of his long form BC.

http://thiswayupseattle.files.wordpress.com/200…


Randwulf
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

Oh, so the Great and Magnificent Steviemonkey (may infections and festerings be upon him) now knows who and how many click onto all the links on any given thread as well as being the final decider upon which slang terms may or may not be used and the proper spelling thereof.

“My wife, she is dead. High five!” Borat.

Quit worrying about my wives, real or imaginary and get back to your inflatable love baboon and “your” cartoons.

And then get a fucking life loser!

An Obama spokescreature, when asked about the birth issue, had this to say:

http://thiswayupseattle.files.wordpress.com/200…


Randwulf
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

Well, let me remind YOU of something.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://f…


Randwulf
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

Oh, that little pussy doesn't bother me in the least. Just a ass gnat. Most lawyers and lawyer wannabe types are bottom feeders. He is arch typical.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:17 am

Ahem.

“Have you forgotten our little ‘ka-blam-o’ talk?” –Homer Simpson to Bart

You have forgotten our little discussion about how no one looks at your silly links, Brokewind. How stupid of you. And how perfectly predictable. Like a vibrant blue sky over Colorado.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:17 am

Ahem.

“Have you forgotten our little ‘ka-blam-o’ talk?” –Homer Simpson to Bart

You have forgotten our little discussion about how no one looks at your silly links, Brokewind. How stupid of you. And how perfectly predictable. Like a vibrant blue sky over Colorado.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Oh, I know YOU are real, Brokewind.

It’s the self-conflicting lies you tell about yourself that we’re actually discussing.

Obama’s birth certificate seems to be working just fine. He’s the President, remember? Not really any promotions available from that position.

No one cares about his birth certificate except racist idiots who are political enemies, so it’s a great way of identifying you people at very little cost to himself and no cost to the rest of us, who get endless amusement from mocking you for being racist idiots.

“We’ll see if we can’t get him sent home.”

Well, if only he had another grandmother in Hawai’i who could suddenly take ill on cue. Then he’d fly Air Force One to Hawai’i for a couple of days, and maybe if you asked nice he’d bring you a pineapple or something.

But not if you asked him yourself. You’re too stupid to be able to enunciate your request. Better get an adult to go along and translate your idiocy into English.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Oh, I know YOU are real, Brokewind.

It’s the self-conflicting lies you tell about yourself that we’re actually discussing.

Obama’s birth certificate seems to be working just fine. He’s the President, remember? Not really any promotions available from that position.

No one cares about his birth certificate except racist idiots who are political enemies, so it’s a great way of identifying you people at very little cost to himself and no cost to the rest of us, who get endless amusement from mocking you for being racist idiots.

“We’ll see if we can’t get him sent home.”

Well, if only he had another grandmother in Hawai’i who could suddenly take ill on cue. Then he’d fly Air Force One to Hawai’i for a couple of days, and maybe if you asked nice he’d bring you a pineapple or something.

But not if you asked him yourself. You’re too stupid to be able to enunciate your request. Better get an adult to go along and translate your idiocy into English.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Wow. MY point was that you and I do not engage in banter.

So you’re telling me that I’m right? Great, thanks, glad to know. I, uh, already knew that, though. Being right and all…

Yawn. Back to your wishful thinking that I get beaten up on the streets because I beat you up on the threads, huh?

And your study of the English language failed you. For over half a century you completely wasted your time. I never claimed to be from any branch of the U.S. military.

If I was to do what you do, and pretend to be from a military branch, I would choose Delta Force or at least a Navy SEAL.

And I wouldn’t tell people I broke my legs falling out of a helicopter. Talk about a lame lie! I would say I got honorably discharged for being too recognizable to serve in a covert mission.

I don’t want to be a shyster someday. I’d rather be an ambulance chaser, if I was to change practice areas. At least you stay in shape running after ambulances.

If I was you, I’d think about becoming a prevaricator. It’s a step up from being a doofus who cannot keep his lies straight.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Wow. MY point was that you and I do not engage in banter.

So you’re telling me that I’m right? Great, thanks, glad to know. I, uh, already knew that, though. Being right and all…

Yawn. Back to your wishful thinking that I get beaten up on the streets because I beat you up on the threads, huh?

And your study of the English language failed you. For over half a century you completely wasted your time. I never claimed to be from any branch of the U.S. military.

If I was to do what you do, and pretend to be from a military branch, I would choose Delta Force or at least a Navy SEAL.

And I wouldn’t tell people I broke my legs falling out of a helicopter. Talk about a lame lie! I would say I got honorably discharged for being too recognizable to serve in a covert mission.

I don’t want to be a shyster someday. I’d rather be an ambulance chaser, if I was to change practice areas. At least you stay in shape running after ambulances.

If I was you, I’d think about becoming a prevaricator. It’s a step up from being a doofus who cannot keep his lies straight.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 1:52 am

“Obama’s birth certificate seems to be working just fine.”

Sure. As long as it is kept hidden safely away.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:23 am

No, Brokewind.

Apes are naturally curious. Humans see that the links are always the same, and ignore them.

I only clicked on this link so that I could mock you for posting juvenile idiocy.

Here’s the thing, doofus. I don’t take orders from you. And you can look up military vernacular on the internet. We know that you lie about your personal life, including without limitation your made-up military service.

You might want to be careful about posting threats, even veiled ones, like your TOBASH thing. Didn’t you read neilends’ post citing the federal law against threatening the POTUS?

Five years in the slammer, kiddo. And you’d better hope prison is not what Tuci78 thinks it’s like. Or you’d better bring your own lubrication and hope to remain inconspicuous despite being African-American, white, and half-white all at the same time.

You keep living in your made-up fantasy world. Let us know when Obama gets “ousted” from it. We’re kind of curious what that would be like. Nothing cool like that ever happens in reality, where we live.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:23 am

No, Brokewind.

Apes are naturally curious. Humans see that the links are always the same, and ignore them.

I only clicked on this link so that I could mock you for posting juvenile idiocy.

Here’s the thing, doofus. I don’t take orders from you. And you can look up military vernacular on the internet. We know that you lie about your personal life, including without limitation your made-up military service.

You might want to be careful about posting threats, even veiled ones, like your TOBASH thing. Didn’t you read neilends’ post citing the federal law against threatening the POTUS?

Five years in the slammer, kiddo. And you’d better hope prison is not what Tuci78 thinks it’s like. Or you’d better bring your own lubrication and hope to remain inconspicuous despite being African-American, white, and half-white all at the same time.

You keep living in your made-up fantasy world. Let us know when Obama gets “ousted” from it. We’re kind of curious what that would be like. Nothing cool like that ever happens in reality, where we live.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Exactly!

So even a doofus like you can see that Obama would have to be even dumber than YOU are to give up the big secret and hand over the proof that his enemies demand.

Wow, for a while there I thought you were spectacularly stupid, Brokewind.

I didn’t realize you were onto the President all along.

It must suck to know that the real birth certificate would put an end to your nightmare, but no one will show it to you, so you can never wake up. Man, that’s gotta be tough for you.

Ah, well, at least you have your G.I. Joe fantasies and your pretend spouse to distract you from the fact that no one is ever going to show you Obama’s original birth certificate.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Exactly!

So even a doofus like you can see that Obama would have to be even dumber than YOU are to give up the big secret and hand over the proof that his enemies demand.

Wow, for a while there I thought you were spectacularly stupid, Brokewind.

I didn’t realize you were onto the President all along.

It must suck to know that the real birth certificate would put an end to your nightmare, but no one will show it to you, so you can never wake up. Man, that’s gotta be tough for you.

Ah, well, at least you have your G.I. Joe fantasies and your pretend spouse to distract you from the fact that no one is ever going to show you Obama’s original birth certificate.


Steve X
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Quoting me makes anything you post full of WIN. And not just WIN, but EPIC WIN, which is the best kind.


Steve X
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Quoting me makes anything you post full of WIN. And not just WIN, but EPIC WIN, which is the best kind.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

No. The delayed certificate was not available UNTIL the child was a year old, and not before.

1.b. is wrong.

You're lying, as usual. And it's taking you longer to get your lies out. Strive for concision. Brevity is the soul of wit, as Polonius told Laertes, remember?

Dr. Fukino has also and subsequently stated that she has seen the original vital records and confirmed that they indicate he was born in Honolulu and is a natural-born U.S. citizen.

Why not include that information in your long-winded list of gibberish? Oh, right because it would expose the rest of your gibberish for what it is. My bad.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

Post 3:]

“Oh good. That is a very intelligent response. What meds do you take with you Kool Aid bitch? I'll just play by your rules whenever you post. Here we go. Ready? You are stupid, kooky, deranged, delusional and otherwise mentally and emotionally f@cked up and therefore we don't have to listen to you. Like SHUT UP and stuff. There. Happy?” –Randwulf/Roguewind/Brokewind

Oh, I know you weren't writing to me in the post I'm quoting, Brokewind. But neither are you writing to me in the post I'm responding to. Not in any real sense, anyway. You're clearly just shaking the bars of your cage in impotent frustration as President Obama continues to be President and you continue to be mocked.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:02 am

It would take someone who spent 50 years not having the slightest clue about the English language to take “archetype” and turn it into “arch typical.”

Gosh, Brokewind, I know that I keep harping on how bare your intellectual cupboards are, but you're approaching famine-levels. Too bad you already offended all the blacks on Earth, or we could get UNICEF involved.

Your astounding lack of decency equals your inability to tell the truth. We know you claimed my insults don't bother you. We also see your posts that clearly are the work of a person who is not at peace with the universe. You get pretty ticked off pretty easily.

This is unusual, for a person as heavily into fantasy and make-believe as you are. One would otherwise suspect that you could simply pretend I had not insulted you, and go on your merry way with the made-up wife as you come home from made-up military service and apply your made-up veteran's benefits to a made-up institute of higher education where you can continue your made-up half a century of studying English.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:04 am

Gee, Brokewind, you responded to JimPA just below this but you for some reason neglected to respond to this post! It has eight, count 'em eight claims you made, with a request for sources. It also has an interesting editorial.

Where'd you go, Brokewind?

*crickets*


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:07 am

Well, the statue hasn't yet turned blue. But judging by the rest of his post, Roguewind can't maintain consciousness much longer.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:08 am

See, doofus, we don't even have to click on your link to know that it's gibberish. It comes from you. Dead giveaway.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:14 am

Aw, c'mon, doofus. You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. You don't even need to be a Dylan fan.

I know that no one likes fruitcakes at Christmas and that no one looks at your links. So do you. Which is why you asked multiple times if your links were being re-directed, since you got no action about any of them.

You can post nonsense as many times as you want.

We all know that.

We've seen your silly posts, and those of Tuci78 and others like you, for weeks.

And I don't mind your decision to try to hide your lies about your wives and ex-wives in a movie quote.

Nor am I bothered about your puzzling decision to put “your” in quotes. Are you making the point that you can finally get something right? Why are there not quotation marks around every correctly spelled and properly used word in every post you make, then? It wouldn't take long for you to do that.

But I really must take chivalrous offense to you posting pictures of your prom dates after you kick them out of the car for not being willing to go all the way with you. The gorilla giving you the finger in your picture has EVERY right to be mad at you, you cad.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 1:18 am

Show me the statute on 1.b.

And then show me something other than the fake “COLB”. Can't do it, can you? Yes, because nothing has ever been shown except the fake “COLB”. What pineapple field does Fukino list as BHO's place of birth. Did they cut the umbilical chord with a machete?

“My bad.” ?? Surely you jest. Real answers monkeyboy. Real answers. Come on! Quit jerkin your small simian member and show something believable or at least link to it.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 1:21 am

So it does come naturally to you? What a fucking hilarious rant. You have definitely earned your banana. Good Steviemonkey.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 1:34 am

“archetype” and turn it into “arch typical.” ??

Oh, here we go again with Steviemonkey's irrevocable and according to him, irrefutable take on the English lanquage. What-fucking-ever. So now let us hear what the difference is o great (mastur?) debater, between the words “certifiCATE” and “certifiCATION”. (That one just leaves Steviemonkey at a loss for words because he keeps saying they are the same thing and they aren't.) So come on monkeyboy. Tell us the difference or you'll make me “mock” you again by posting images of these two vastly different things for you to see, to look at, to contemplate (in between bananas) and yet not accept. Kool-Aid? Drink up bitches!


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 1:35 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 1:38 am

Yeah, but you clicked on it anyway. Didn't ya? GOOD.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 1:47 am

Ah, so you see? You lying fuck! You did click onto my link. Didn't you.? And so does everybody else. You know why? Because most people are naturally curious. That is why your Obamessiah will soon be ousted. People want to know what he is covering up and lying about. Can't you see that you stupid fuck? Oh and if you want to play English teacher, here is one for you. What does T.O.B.A.S.I.H. (also simply TOBASH in some military vernaculars) mean? Now this one is an important one for all of you leftie foul-mouth pieces to be aware of. Can you figure it out? You will.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 1:57 am

“Show me the statute on 1.b.”

Why don't you show us where you got your bogus information? You're the one making the claim in the first place.

Oh, but I know you're not ever going to back up your absurd lies. You pulled that text from a wordpress blog article that itself scrubbed all references to the actual state law, so that people cannot easily check it.

But you know me. I'm a stickler for truth.

So here's the statute. Note how it applies only once the kid is a year old:

Ҥ338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates. (a) Birth certificates registered one year or more after the date of birth, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the department of health, shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly 'late' or 'altered'.

(b) A summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for late filing or the alteration shall be endorsed on the certificates.

(c) Such evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.

(d) When an applicant does not submit the minimum documentation required by the rules for late registration or when the state registrar finds reasons to question the validity or adequacy of the certificate or the documentary evidence, the state registrar shall not register the late certificate and shall advise the applicant of the reason for this action.

The department of health may by rule provide for the dismissal of an application which is not actively prosecuted.

(e) As used in this section, 'late' means one year or more after the date of birth. [L 1949, c 327, §20; RL 1955, §57-19; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-16; am L 1972, c 66, §1(2); am L 1997, c 305, §3]“

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_…

Anything else, doofus?


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:06 am

The rant is yours. I'm glad you still think it's funny. So do I. That's why I quoted you.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:12 am

You have yet to mock me. All you do is embarrass yourself.

YOU are the one with the monkey avatar, doofus. Not me.

YOU are the one with the made-up self-contradictory personal life. Not me.

YOU are the one pathetically and unsuccessfully trying to get someone to look at Some guy named Alan's birth certificate. Not me.

And you are the one who doesn't understand that a certificate of live birth and a certification of live birth are equally valid to prove citizenship in any U.S. court.

“Drink up bitches?” So I guess you abandoned your attempt at trying to behave like a grown-up a while ago. Lots of silly potty-mouth in your posts, kiddo.

I thought you were telling us that my insults don't bother you. So what bothers you? Must be that whole racist inability to deal with the black President thing. I thought we got you past that back in August.

That's what I get for thinking that you could somehow learn and grow.

Fifty years of studying English didn't teach you simple grammar or spelling, after all.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:17 am

Hey now that I look at it, the statue has a greenish hue. Looks like it'll turn blue soon, too.

Breathe, Roguewind, breathe! No one here wants to give you CPR. We know about you and your monkeytouching ways.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:19 am

No actually I didn't click on this one.

I clicked on it in another thread so I could mock you for posting a picture of your pissed-off prom date.

What's funny to me is that you are satisfied that you have accomplished something if you can just get me to spend 5 seconds looking at something stupid you linked.

Which makes sense, given the fact that NO ONE looks at your links except people who mock you for what you link to.

And, of course, you are light-years away from actually having links to credible information that in any way furthers your agenda.

You slept through that 50+ years studying English, “didn't ya? GOOD.”

That way I can keep mocking you for being stupid.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

“We’re kind of curious what that would be like. Nothing cool like that ever happens in reality, where we live.”

Just stay tuned. It IS coming. Oh and did you figure out what TOBASH means?

Wasn’t referring to Obama. Just you.

Oh, have you decided what kind of super-bad-ass military persona you would like to make up for yourself since you are just a little lily-liver, shyster wannabe and have never served a single day in uniform?

The reason I didn’t claim to be Recon or SF or Delta is simply because I wasn’t. Not that I care what YOU think or say. But, yes, most people that would lie about their military service would pick some super elite. So I believe you when you say YOU would pick one of those outfits. Pathetic. Well keep the insults coming. That is about as damaging as you can ever be. Like a buzzing gnat.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Oh great! More of “Thus sayeth Homer Simpson”

The sky is blue. Obama is an illegal alien.

These are facts.

Get used to it.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

“Just stay tuned. It IS coming”

Yeah yeah.

“Krusty is coming. Krusty is coming. Krusty is coming” — Disappointed and letdown Kamp Krusty attendee Bart Simpson, who refused to believe Krusty wasn’t gonna show up

You lie about serving in the military. I do not. That’s something that seems to be escaping you.

Just like the notion that you can’t take me out back and shoot me in the head. First of all, your fingers aren’t dexterous enough to work a trigger. Secondly, you’re too dumb to remember to load the weapon first. But most of all, you’re too fucking cowardly.

Remember? You’re afraid to write me at randwulfisamonkey@gmail.com so we can record you running away and hitching up your petticoats.

I can tell from all your profane blather that I’m getting under your skin. Your lies to the contrary are not credible. Yawn.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

How silly.

The sky only appears blue to you because all other wavelengths of light are refracted away. Your eye ignores what it cannot see.

Obama only appears to be an illegal alien to you because your racist doofus eyes ignore ALL the evidence that he is a U.S. citizen.

These are facts. What you wrote are silly opinions.

But your foolishness perfectly sets you up to be mocked.

Get used to it.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Anti-racists are hypocrites. Affirmative action is reverse discrimination. Both are destroying western civilization.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

“I can tell from all your profane blather that I’m getting under your skin.”

Yes, just like the blood sucking insect I just squashed. He won’t be bothering me again. Hasn’t got the guts. Get it? Hasn’t got the guts. Never mind. That reminds me. You said:

“Just like the notion that you can’t take me out back and shoot me in the head. First of all, your fingers aren’t dexterous enough to work a trigger. Secondly, you’re too dumb to remember to load the weapon first. But most of all, you’re too fucking cowardly.”

Let’s put it to the test. When was it you said you were planning on being in Colorado Springs?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

“Obama would have to be even dumber than YOU are to give up the big secret and hand over the proof that his enemies demand.”

Yes, he would have to be pretty dumb to finally let the truth out at this point. Lot’s of federal charges to answer for at this point. For once you uttered a statement of something resembling the truth. So yes, it will continue to suck until that happens. But then, it will be just like pulling a festering splinter. What a relief.


Adam
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

This is NOT a first-hand account of The One’s birth–just heresey. What would count would be the recollection of another mother in the ward, a nurse, another dad who gave B.O.’s dad a Macanudo, &c. Even as plain and unremarkable a baby as myself had at least half a dozen people personally witness my birth, and a dozen more recall my mother from the hospital.


Adam
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

This is NOT a first-hand account of The One’s birth–just heresey. What would count would be the recollection of another mother in the ward, a nurse, another dad who gave B.O.’s dad a Macanudo, &c. Even as plain and unremarkable a baby as myself had at least half a dozen people personally witness my birth, and a dozen more recall my mother from the hospital.


Adam
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

As I stated above, this was NOT a first-hand account of B.O.’s birth. Surely, Obama’s people can come up with something better. ASk contemporaries/friends of your parents and staff of the hospital you were born at and you’ll find quite a few people who can PERSONALLY recall your birth.

Saying that this woman’s account was an ‘eyewitness’ one is tantamount to calling the COLB a ‘birth certificate’.


Adam
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

As I stated above, this was NOT a first-hand account of B.O.’s birth. Surely, Obama’s people can come up with something better. ASk contemporaries/friends of your parents and staff of the hospital you were born at and you’ll find quite a few people who can PERSONALLY recall your birth.

Saying that this woman’s account was an ‘eyewitness’ one is tantamount to calling the COLB a ‘birth certificate’.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

See what you get when you “don't” open my links. Stupid. All the “eight claims” are addressed in the several links I have provided.

“His birth certificate doesn't have to list either of those things for him to get a passport or a key to the Oval Office.”

Yes, and if he produced a BC that showed those things he would have been deported to his country of origin and never would have been handed the keys to the Oval Office. And you know that.

Oh, and if you didn't like the BC long form of “some guy named Alan”, try looking at the pair of original BC long forms for a couple of gals named Nordyke. Somehow, they managed to get long form Certificates of Live Birth from the very hospital in Hawaii that you claim Obama was born in and only a few hours later. Yep, that batching of certificates thing is starting to make very little sense at this point if we are to believe the anti-birth-truther stance on it. They were born on the 5th and yet he has a higher serial number on his certificate even though HE was born a day before. Oh, and where is the announcement in the paper that is supposed to be automatically created when Vital Statistics reports a live birth? No announcement for the the Nordyke twins? I'd just love to see Obama be able to try to produce an original at this point. According to you, it will have Kapi'olani as the hospital and Dr. Rodney West as the delivering physician. Even though, according to his bio on line, he retired in 1956. He must have been called out of retirement just to bring the “anointed one” into the world. We'll see. Oh yes, we will see. “crickets”? What happened to LOL and LMFAO?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

“You have yet to mock me. All you do is embarrass yourself.”

I mock you now, monkeymeat! You are not the “mock” decider.

“YOU are the one with the monkey avatar, doofus. Not me.”

That wasn't a monkey. It was your toothless old Negro uncle.
So why don't you use him for your “avatar”?

“YOU are the one with the made-up self-contradictory personal life. Not me.”

Who fucking cares about that? I did it to get humorous responses out of you. And for a while it was funny, but it has become tiresome now, as it only gives you more off-topic rambling material to bore us all with.

“YOU are the one pathetically and unsuccessfully trying to get someone to look at Some guy named Alan's birth certificate. Not me.”

Yes, but you looked anyway. And so do a lot of people visiting the thread. If you don't like that shot of what a long form Hawaiian BC looks like, then look at the others I have provided. After a while, even the most dense (that being you) of the anti-truthers will allow that the “COLB” at “FackCheck” and the real original Certificates of Live Birth are different documents altogether and only the original will tell the complete story.

“And you are the one who doesn't understand that a certificate of live birth and a certification of live birth are equally valid to prove citizenship in any U.S. court.”

Hawaii would be the exception. Unless you can name some other state that allows or has allowed at any time for foreign born individuals to be given a document from THAT STATE of any kind proving a live birth anywhere else but THAT STATE under any circumstances. What other state issues a birth document for anyone not born in that state? Come on you fucking know-it-all! Do you have a smartass answer for that question. I'll bet not.

“”Drink up bitches?” So I guess you abandoned your attempt at trying to behave like a grown-up a while ago. Lots of silly potty-mouth in your posts, kiddo.”

Just throwing your own shit back at you. You have NEVER behaved like a grown-up. 80% of everything you type is from your silly fucking obscene monkey imagination having absolutely NOTHING to do with any facts of anything.

“I thought you were telling us that my insults don't bother you. So what bothers you? Must be that whole racist inability to deal with the black President thing. I thought we got you past that back in August.”

No your insults don't bother me. They are childish and silly.
Stupidity bothers me. Precisely yours. “Anti-racist” racism bothers me. Your specialty. And it is this whole constitutional crisis thing with a lying usurper sitting in the White House that is the REAL problem. THAT is what bothers me. We won't get past THAT until such time as it is corrected.

“That's what I get for thinking that you could somehow learn and grow.”

I could have said the same of you. But that was before I realized that you probably volunteered or are even paid to be a “professional insulter of the birthers”. You are in the front line of the invective assault against anyone who pursues the truth about Obama in any way. He can't honestly and forthrightly, diffuse the situation by becoming “transparent” but he CAN rely on the MSM and people like you and groups like ACORN to keep up the attacks on the truth, by attempting to malign “birth-truthers” with associations with anything popularly deemed politically incorrect of “nutty” or “conspiratorial”.

It is a simple question: “Mr. Obama, are you a natural born citizen of the United States, and if so, could you please show FULL documentation to that effect?” So why can't he just do it?

“Fifty years of studying English didn't teach you simple grammar or spelling, after all.”

Yes, well, Steviemonkey, you never make a spelling or grammar mistake at all. Right? No you just make up words as it pleases you and attack everyone else for any typo or misspelling you can find. You even dictate to us all on the use of slang! It MUST be YOUR version of the slang term in order to be correct. You attack the spellings of things not even found in dictionaries. Fuck you! Who fucking made you the authority anyway, “doofus”? Oh, and since that is just about your favorite word apparently, can you tell us what episode of “The Simpsons” it came from? Because, it it was used in “The Simpsons”, it MUST be a proper word.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

Oh, that's perfect. Classic off topic response. Long form dude! Long form. Where the fuck it it?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

Yeah, yeah……..Big yawn……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrZQLbFhb0

Truths a bitch ain't it?


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

No, none of your claims has any evidentiary support. Your links are not evidence. Just pictures of your prom dates and pictures of forged or irrelevant birth certificates. NOTHING about President Obama or any actual law.

How did you enjoy reading the actual Hawai'ian statute, 338-16, by the way?

“Yes, and if he produced a BC that showed those things he would have been deported to his country of origin…”

Well, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts… Never mind. They're not.

His birth certificate shows what it needs to show. And he's President. Isn't that nifty?

Who cares why the Nordyke twins didn't get a birth announcement? Obama did. And now, thanks to you idiots, the Nordyke twins are more famous than they'd have been if they had 10 birth announcements each. What, are THEY running for President and having idiots question their citizenship? No? Just the black guy? Okay, thought so.

Show us that Dr. West retired in 1956.

*crickets*


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

“'Anti-racist' racism bothers me.”

Wow, Randwulf. You're stupid. But once in a while you say amazing things.

Yes, I am anti-racist. Sorry if that bothers you, you racist doofus.

I never indicated that the COLB and the original are the same document. Just that they have the same legal effect. And that is why you'll never get your sweaty hands on the original.

“'YOU are the one with the made-up self-contradictory personal life. Not me.'

Who fucking cares about that? I did it to get humorous responses out of you.”

Wow. I'm not surprised that you admit you were lying. What surprises me is that you think you can pass it off as an attempt to get humorous responses from me. You weren't writing to ME when you told those lies, idiot.

And surely you know your jury instructions. A witness who has been false in one area of his testimony is not to be believed in any other testimony. We can simply disregard everything else you tell us, when we discover that you deliberately lied to us about something.

So that's what I'll do. Nothing you tell us is worthy of a response anyway. I just do it for the fun of mocking you, doofus.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

Original birth certificate is on file with the Hawai'i Dept. of Health. Don't you pay attention to Dr. Fukino's statements to the media?

“Where the fuck it it?”

So, what's that, eight times you've now proven that you don't know what “is” is? It's a damn good thing I didn't know of your idiocy when President Clinton was reviewing the definition of “is” back in the 90's.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

What would you know about truth?

Anti-racists are a bitch, though, huh?


Adam
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Nelson was NOT a first-hand witness to B.O.’s birth:

http://www.examiner.com/x-3747-Louisville-City-Hall-Examiner~y2009m7d15-Teacher-claims-to-remember-Obamas-birth

C’mon–you’ll have to do better than THAT. And, BTW, ‘jungle fever’ is as racist a term as any.


Adam
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Nelson was NOT a first-hand witness to B.O.’s birth:

http://www.examiner.com/x-3747-Louisville-City-Hall-Examiner~y2009m7d15-Teacher-claims-to-remember-Obamas-birth

C’mon–you’ll have to do better than THAT. And, BTW, ‘jungle fever’ is as racist a term as any.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

Where the fuck IS IS IS IS IS IS IS IS it? IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF (and this is a big IF) Fukino has anything of substance to offer, then she should just spit it out. Which type of document does she have there? I mean of the several types offered by Hawaii for all of their weird fucking birth circumstances that they seem to be inclined (for whatever reason) to document, which one did Obama have? She is famous for issuing carefully worded statements of nothing.

Speaking of Clinton, did we ever get a clear definition from him of the word SEX?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

Thanks. Interesting link. Especially this part about how ANY applicant can get a copy of ANY certificate. And those copies could include: “Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.” (part C below) Fukimo said the originals are in the files so all BHO needs to do is request them and pay a small fee. So, I wonder what type of document it is and what “alterations” have been made. Thanks again Mr. “Stickler for truth”! The truth will come around soon and bite Obama square on the ass. That is if your lips aren't in the way. Oh, the umbilical chord is what connects you to your mommy.

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Stephen, I know you are having fun with this sick little puppy but i found a new fishing hole that resembles Shady Lakes. All i had to do was bait my hook with tinfoil and the bottom feerers started to rise.
It's The Glenn Beck Effect thread and FC is already there, he seems to be everywhere.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 12:50 am

You know what’s destroying western civilization?

Racist doofuses like you who refuse to avail yourselves of education. That is why non-Western countries are making gains on us. It’s because so many of you dolts are stuck in the mud, scratching your asses, and refusing to learn anything that might help you remain competitive.

Silly hyperbole isn’t going to get you any closer to seeing Obama’s birth certificate.

But it will get you a few follow-up questions.

For instance, how is an anti-racist a hypocrite?

Wait, let me get comfortable. Your idiocy is always classic.

“Wait, let me get a chair. These are always classic.” –Brian, Family Guy, when Peter Griffin is about to unleash a made-up excuse to Lois


Anonymous
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 12:54 am

So I AM under your skin. Interesting.

So you lied when you told us my insults could never have the slightest effect on you. Interesting. Predictable, and predicted, but interesting.

You are too dumb, too inflexible, and too cowardly to work a weapon. Can you turn a doorknob to answer the door? Even if your mom is not home?

If so, write to me at randwulfisamonkey@gmail.com and I will visit you and record you squealing and soiling your petticoats at the thought of eating a knuckle sandwich.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 12:58 am

“What a relief.”

Indeed. It’s good to know that Obama’s not dumb.

And there’s “lot’s” of evidence that you are dumb. You don’t know when to use an apostrophe any more than you know when to stop proving me right for calling you an idiot.

No federal charges to answer for. Unless you mean Tuci78 and you each have federal charges to answer for. Y’know, what with your threats against the President and all.

“So yes, it will continue to suck until that happens.”

Oh wow. Considering that Obama’s not going to be giving into your idiotic demands, you just admitted that your life sucks and will continue to suck.

At least you have the comfort of knowing that I’ll be around to remind you that you are a lying, pathetic, functionally illiterate juvenile.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 1:14 am

“This is NOT a first-hand account of The One’s birth–just heresey.”

What? It’s not “heresey.” What is “heresey?”

Are you trying to get the Catholic church involved? It’s not heresy, either.

Are you thinking that Hershey’s, Inc. now has to get involved? I thought you had some sort of phobia of organized business entities. How weird that you want to involve the chocolate company, and ironic given your hatred of brown people.

“Hearsay” may have been the word you were struggling for. But hearsay is “an out of court statement made by one other than the declarant, offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted.” It’s not hearsay.

Nelson is the declarant. Not hearsay.

And it’s odd that you tell us you’d count the word of “another mother in the ward,” etc. Those people are in the same position as Nelson.

I am happy to bet that you cannot find a dozen people who are willing to tell the world that they remember you being born.

But you’re selling yourself short. You are neither plain nor unremarkable. Shit-can the false modesty. You’re a special kind of stupid. Sure, birthers are a dime a dozen. Anti-Microsoft dolts are crawling away from Silicon Valley as fast as their Segway scooters can take them. But you rarely find someone who combines your idiocy about President Obama with idiocy about corporations. Hold your head up with pride. You’re unique.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 1:18 am

“Surely, Obama’s people can come up with something better.”

No need, Adam. Obama’s people need not concern themselves with this matter.

Republicans have done the legwork. Remember?

“‘I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.’

That original October 2008 statement, in case you’re curious, reads:

‘There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.’”

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/07/28/gop-head-of-hawaii-department-of-health-birth-certificate-exists-obama-a-natural-born-citizen/

The COLB is a birth certificate. Not sure why this is confusing to you.

Ask the National Review Online:

“The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMzQxYmEzNjA2YWIwOTU4YWVjNzRmODE2NTI=

Now then, Adam, what have YOU got on your side, aside from a half-eaten peanut butter sandwich?


Anonymous
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 1:23 am

I never indicated that Nelson was a first-hand witness to Obama’s birth.

I did, however, read her recollection with amused interest. It refutes you birthers’ silly claims that no one recalls his birth.

Here’s something that may surprise you. When I wrote that you have “jungle fever,” I was not trying to be complimentary. I know that the phrase carries a certain negative connotation. I like Spike Lee and I’ve seen his films, including Jungle Fever.

Now, Adam, Do the Right Thing. Read the words of Dr. Fukino. Man up. Admit that you’re an idiot. Go out and buy some Microsoft stock. Or at least go buy a sticker with a Microsoft logo on it, if you cannot afford the share price.

I’ll get you started. Not with the cash you need to buy stock. You’d just spend the money at Del Taco. But I will give you the words of Dr. Fukino:

“‘I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.

That original October 2008 statement, in case you’re curious, reads:

‘There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.’”

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/07/28/gop-head-of-hawaii-department-of-health-birth-certificate-exists-obama-a-natural-born-citizen/


Adam
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

People are still bringing up the Barbara Nelson hearsay 'evidence' of Obama's birth:

http://www.examiner.com/x-3747-Louisville-City-…

People who were (rightfully) skeptical about government officials' statements on things like WMDs somehow thing anything said about Obama's birth records are Gospel truth. When confronted by doubt, Obama's supporters lash out with absurd personal attacks. This is all-too reminiscent of the rape allegations against Bill CLinton, where 'womyn' dismissed Juanita Broaddrick's rape allegations out of hand (and Broaddrick as a sleazy ho).

Posey's bill is a common-sense solution to this controversey. If Obama (and his supporters) have nothing to hide, they'll support this legislation (they could use it on the next John McCain). Also, the 'left' should stop being intoxicated over a 'black' President and start looking at some of the Obama-Biden team's very questionable business conections: Monsanto, Microsoft, pharmaceutical and health maintenance firms, banking and fiduciary firms, &c. These are NOT nice people. There is a lot of cross-ownership by some of these companies of the media-telecom sector, which has skewed news coverage. Unions and their pension funds (as institutional investors) also weigh heavilly on Obama's policy, to non-members' detriment. Don't forget thugs like Chicago Mayor Daley, who is essentially the mob boss behind Obama.

Recently, antisemitism has crept into the anti-'birther' rhetoric:

http://www.voltairenet.org/article161601.html

So now you people are joining Dany Glover, Jane Fonda and all the other Obamamaniacs on Israel-bashing and Zionist conspiracy-mongering. (Fonda et al are pressing for a boycott of Israeli filmmakers.) Granted, calling Obama a 'Nazi' is a bit of a stretch. However, Obama and some of his supporters are hardly philosemites. That bow to despot Abdullah (Guardian of Mecca and Medina) did make some of our skins crawl.

The 'birther' issue is legitimate. Non birth record-related concerns about Obama are also legitimate. You can't simply call everyone names who isn't starry-eyed at your hero.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

An interesting Hawaiian law.

“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”

So what that paragraph says is that citizens or non-citizens can live in Hawaii for at least one year prior to leaving for parts unknown, have a child, come back to Hawaii and then apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate and have one issued to the child. It doesn't even have to be the parent of the child who applies, and the child could even have become an adult before the filing of the application as long as the residency requirement of one year by at least one of the parents was met. The child (or adult) won't be a natural-born citizen, but a citizen none the less.

“(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.”

So, depending upon the whims of the director of health, the applicants may or may not be investigated so as to determine whether or not all of the information provided is correct and true.

“(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]“

So for a small fee, an application, a slip shod health department investigation, a signed statement by one or the other parent, residency in the State of Hawaii by at least one parent for at least one year prior to the birth of the child, and without even having a requirement of either parent being a citizen of the U.S., a child born on foreign soil can be issued a birth certificate in Hawaii. Now let us see how that stacks up against the constitutional, natural -born citizenship requirements set forth for a person to become President of the United States. Fail.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Did you notice the part where it reads “children born out of state,” Brokewind?

It kind of screws up all that momentum you built up.

We already know that Hawai'i will issue a birth certificate for a kid born out of state.

It just won't say the kid was born in Hawai'i.

Looks like you're back to looking at Some guy named Alan's birth certificate, kiddo.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 12:22 am

“…somehow thing anything said about Obama's birth records…”

I don't “thing” you've thought this through, Adam.

Just because people were rightfully skeptical about George W. Bush's invented reasons for going to war to finish what his daddy started is no reason for anyone to distrust a Republican Governor or her Republican state appointees, when they confirm that a black Democrat was born in their state.

One category of information (fake reasons for war) aligns with the information-peddler's interests.

The other category of information (the black guy is American) does not align with the information-peddler's interests.

You didn't take any courses in elementary formal logic, did you? Might look into the possibility of a refund, if so.

You also may want to reconsider the persuasive effect of introducing made-up allegations about Clinton as evidence to support your argument that people shouldn't look closely at the made-up allegations about Obama. If anything, the nonsense about Clinton taught us to double-check every allegation made against a popular Democratic President by his political enemies.

Oh, and of course, you HAD to throw in more gibberish about Microsoft. Ooooohhhhh, please, don't open Windows. World might crash.

And banking and fiduciary firms are not nice people? Wow. That's interesting. Except that none of us was under the impression that a banking firm was a person, nice or otherwise.

Seriously, Adam, it's high time for you to accept that the world is more complex than you'd like to believe, and that NONE of us are troubled by that fact. Microsoft wants to make a profit from you if it can. So does your doctor. So does your babysitter.

But at least you and Randwulf can commiserate over your weird vendetta against Jane Fonda.

The birther issue is not legitimate. Nor will it be, unless and until you idiots come up with something more than paranoia, racism, and/or suspicion. Until then, you'd better hope that Microsoft's share value declines so that you have something to feel good about. Kinda sucks for you birther doofuses lately. What with the media not giving a shit about you and all.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 12:29 am

No. You can't get a copy of any certificate. Not just because you can't scrape together twelve bucks, either.

“Subject to the requirements of…” those statutes is what's going to be the sticking point once you borrow that twelve bucks, Brokewind.

Don't you remember what Dr. Fukino said in her first statement?

I bet you do. But you like to hide from reality. I like to show you how dumb you are for hiding from reality. So here you go:

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/20…

Now then, where is any link to any information you cite? Oh, I already know you got it from wordrpress, but I still want to make you admit that you're a doofus who cites fringe websites as though they are gospel. You don't want to admit that, which is why you didn't post a link to that gibberish. It's okay. You already admitted that you lie about yourself. And if you lie about yourself, we know you lie about everything else.

You and Adam should exchange phone numbers. If your mothers will allow you to go on a playdate.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 12:36 am

Hey thanks, Pete. We all know I am soylent green with envy about Florida Christian. It's because he never has to respond to any birthers (or non-birthers, for that matter).

I will go check out the Beck thread. Sally was a dim bulb of epic proportions, on the McCaskill thread. I appreciate all these leads you're giving me.

But don't expect me to give you any finder's fees for referrals.

“I didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks.” –Bill Gates to Homer Simpson, after Gates “buys out” Homer's internet business by having his goons smash Homer's office


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 12:44 am

C'mon Brokewind. I told you to breathe. It was for your own good. I didn't tell you to sob uncontrollably or keep hyperventilating about gibberish.

And I'm certainly glad that you're trying to master two letter words. But mindless repetition of the words is not going to help you learn their meanings. Writing the same thing over and over on the blackboard is just a trick teachers use to punish disobedient students.

See, the reason Fukino isn't going to “just spit it out” is because of those pesky laws against disclosure of private information. Remember her statement?

There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/20…

“She is famous for issuing carefully worded statements of nothing.”

If only you could learn to word your statements carefully (and stop using split infinitives), you might one day be famous for something besides being the reason AIDS spread from monkeys to humans.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 1:31 am

I don't expect payment Stephen, an Obama landslide in 2012 will do.

These dimwits do know how to, cut and paste, but i think they are eating the paste.

The new thread, Far Right Site Gains Influence, has some interesting debate you might like to join. I don't mean to dump on you but i can't type fast enough to counter all the nonsense.

“Buy him out boys”


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 2:55 am

So when they “say out of state” it could mean anything. They just don't give a shit apparently. It could be Alberta, or Kenya,or Hong Kong! But that's Hawaii for ya. Don't care. Never did. I suppose that's why most Americans have always thought of Hawaii as just another little third world country. They never should have been admitted to the Union in the first place. But, I digress. The real point of interest here is to determine exactly where “out of state” exactly he WAS born. It will be on the certificate. And, I'm pretty sure it won't be any good ole USA address. So, don't worry about Alan “kiddo”! Alan was at least able to show that he was born in the great state of Hawaii. Hell, he could even run for POTUS legally! I really am enjoying reading these interesting statutes regarding the legalities surrounding birth and birth records keeping in Hawaii. Thanks a lot for that link. Back with more amused observations soon.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Go to the top of the thread asshole. You fucked yourself. You actually posted a link to something that is factual. It will be Obama's undoing. I can't believe you were stupid enough to actually post a link to Hawaiian statutes regarding birth records. Dumbfuck. Doofus. Stupid fucking idiot. I knew you would eventually do this. I hope ACORN fires you. You are a miserable fucking failure. This has been fun. It will only get better.


Adam
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 4:06 am

“…a black Democrat…” Blah, blah, blah.

Why do you keep playing the race card? Aside from Rev. Wright, David Duke and people like yourself, nobody CARES what 'race' people are (Obama IS 'white', BTW). If, say, Jessie Jackson–born and raised in the USA, never a citizen of any other country–was elected President, nobody would be discussing this.

Microsoft has a monopoly on the pre-installed OS market (due more to its sleazy business practices than the merits of its costly, crashy, malware-afflicted crapware), uses bribery to get its way (e.g., the ISO OOXML scandal, currently under CRIMINAL investigation in the EU), launched proxy patent trolls (the failed SCO lawsuits), and many more sleazy and outright criminal acts. The fact that the Obama-Biden campaign accepted campaign money from them speaks to B.O.'s lack of scruples (not that Bush-Cheney were any better). Making a buck's great, but not when outright criminality is involved. Now that Microsoft got slapped with that XML lawsuit, we'll see how much protection their donations bought them, if the case makes it to the SCOTUS and Obama-appointee Sotomayor's bench.

BTW, MS's share value HAS dropped…but Red Hat's has risen.

Start applying the standards you have for Dubya to your Saviour B.O. The world is simpler than your nuanced analysis–bashing Bush, but coddling Obama–would have you believe. Obama is a sleazy politician, in the mould of Richard M. Daley and the wretched Kennedys, funded by and answerable to very wealthy and corrupt corporate patrons. He is no Guiding Light who will give you free, socialized healthcare and well-paying jobs. He has also failed to establish that he was actually born in Honolulu…regardless of how many second-hand stories, unverified documents and old newspaper birth anouncements with the wrong address you cite.


Adam
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 4:09 am

Colin Powell and George Bush also swore on a stack of Bibles that there were WMDs.


Adam
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 4:15 am

Your personal attacks are not only idiotic, but also symptomatic of someone on the losing end of an argument about something that they're emotionally-invested in. What's B.O. to you?

Citing non-governmental websites like FactCheck and Snopes, along with (advertizing-funded/politician-funding) mass media sources as Gospel truth isn't the basis of a solid argument by your standard, either. Obama's documentation needs to be verified publically (not by some bureaucrat, behind closed doors), by elected officials, as was done with John McCain.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

More interesting Hawaiian laws. These regarding public access to vital records:

Paragraph (d) is of particular interest. The director IS ALLOWED to release data contained on the original Certificate of Live Birth to the public. So it is NOT illegal to do so as Hawaiian officials have state.

“(d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.”

In paragraph (e) we see that “persons working on genealogy projects” may be permitted access to files, including birth records more than 25 years old.

“(e) The department may permit persons working on genealogy projects access to microfilm or other copies of vital records of events that occurred more than seventy-five years prior to the current year.”

Paragraph (f) states that government agencies may receive “certain data” and pay for said service “as the department (Health) shall direct”

“(f) Subject to this section, the department may direct its local agents to make a return upon filing of birth, death, and fetal death certificates with them, of certain data shown to federal, state, territorial, county, or municipal agencies. Payment by these agencies for these services may be made as the department shall direct.”

Paragraph (g) as may be seen below, allows all types of entities, public and private, private and government attorneys etc to receive verification of information in vital records for a variety of reasons.

The most significant part of this whole section is found in (b) (1). That is the part which states that the “registrant” (person named on the record) can at any time authorize the release of the record. In this case, it would be Obama himself making the authorization. Not only for the “COLB” generated by a computer but a photocopy of the long form, original as allowed pursuant to section 338-13.

Here is 338-18:

§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;

(2) The spouse of the registrant;

(3) A parent of the registrant;

(4) A descendant of the registrant;

(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;

(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;

(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;

(8) A personal representative of the registrant’s estate;

(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;

(10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents;

(11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;

(12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and

(13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

(c) The department may permit the use [of] the data contained in public health statistical records for research purposes only, but no identifying use thereof shall be made.

(d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.

(e) The department may permit persons working on genealogy projects access to microfilm or other copies of vital records of events that occurred more than seventy-five years prior to the current year.

(f) Subject to this section, the department may direct its local agents to make a return upon filing of birth, death, and fetal death certificates with them, of certain data shown to federal, state, territorial, county, or municipal agencies. Payment by these agencies for these services may be made as the department shall direct.

(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:

(1) A person who has a direct and tangible interest in the record but requests a verification in lieu of a certified copy;

(2) A governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities;

(3) A governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks confirmation of a certified copy of any such record submitted in support of or information provided about a vital event relating to any such record and contained in an official application made in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities by an individual seeking employment with, entrance to, or the services or products of the agency or organization;

(4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or

(5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes. [L 1949, c 327, §22; RL 1955, §57-21; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; am L 1967, c 30, §2; HRS §338-18; am L 1977, c 118, §1; am L 1991, c 190, §1; am L 1997, c 305, §5; am L 2001, c 246, §2]

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Here, courtesy of stephenperry is the entire statue regulating official vital records for the State of Hawaii:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_…

Thanks Stevie! This is just about the best thing in the world to prove that the “birthers” are correct in stating that it is not only possible to have been born out of the country and still have a Hawaiian birth certificate, but it isn't even that difficult to do. It also shows that legally speaking, ANY original record may be photocopied and made available and further, that the persons named (on the birth certificates issued by Hawaii) along with a host of other individuals and entities, may have them reproduced in their entirety and/or verifications of any or all information contained in them at any time (for a nominal fee). How liberating!


JimPA
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Well Randy, it's been a long battle and at times you looked silly and under educated but in the end you did it. Well played. I'm just waiting for the news to break. Nothing on CNN, BBC or even Fox. Just have to wait. Have you decided which news network you are going to appear on first?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

I'll keep you posted Jim. Thanks for asking.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

So, Brokewind, what part of the above is confusing to you? We know that reading comprehension is not something you have mastered.

Yes, out of state children can have a Hawai'ian birth certificate…showing they were born out of state.

Yes, Obama can go look at his birth certificate. You and the other birthers cannot. You don't have a tangible interest in the record. Unless you get a court order. You know, pursuant to (b) (10).

No. “Legally speaking,” any record cannot be photocopied and made available to the public. Didn't you read the part about “as the director may authorize?” And you remember that the director, Dr. Fukino, hasn't authorized anyone to look at anything, right? No? Oh yeah, that's because you're stupid.

And your citation of subparagraph (d) is unavailing. “Index data” isn't going to help you. It doesn't identify the hospital, and that's your big issue, right? Right? Oh, and the doctor.

Do you even know what index data is?

Tell you what, don't let me confuse you or make you disheartened.

You put on some clean overalls and run down to the local Fox affiliate. Bring a copy of this statute. Insist on going on the air. They'll pre-empt whatever silly reality show they're running. You go on the air, wave this statute around, cite random letters and numbers [(b) 2, (c) 1, (d)10, hut, hut, HIKE!]

You'll be a hero. Like Crazy Eileen.

What are you waiting for? Oh. Right. Don't worry. You can find a chimp-sitter. She'll be fine. Go.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Damn, Jim, you beat me to it. It's because I spent my morning watching college football instead of boning up on Hawai'ian birth record law, like Roguewind did.

Oh well, at least I learned something watching college football. Ohio State's in trouble next week when they play my Trojans. Roguewind didn't learn a thing.

But let's hope he takes his newfound information public. Let's not count out the BBC. They love to make fun of idiotic Americans. Now all Roguewind has to do is prove he's American; the idiot part is self-evident. Does he even HAVE a birth certificate? Or certificaTION?


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

Don't just tell Jim. Create a blog and keep us all updated. We are concerned American citizens (well, franknowzad's not American, but he's concerned) and we have a RIGHT TO KNOW!


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

“So when they 'say out of state' it could mean anything.”

Never mind why you put quotes around “say.”

What, besides “out of state,” could the statute mean by “out of state?” People who die intestate? Something about the speed limit on the interstate?

“most Americans have always thought of Hawaii [sic] as just another little third world country.”

Gee, it's been a while since we've heard the “real America, fake America” stuff. Someone call Nancy Pfotenhauer.

You let us know when you get around to reading Obama's COLB again. It's the only birth certificate pertaining to Obama that you'll ever see. He wasn't born out of state, or it would have said so on his COLB.

Unless, of course, the whole thing is a giant fucktastic conspiracy. In which case, you'd better stay laser-focused on the target so that I don't get you all confuddled (Hey, there's that word again! I didn't make it up though…) by making you think, for no apparent reason, that I'm David Weigel.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Who's “Jessie” Jackson? Does he know where I can get discounted Microsoft stock?

What's a “Saviour?” Is he British?

Any evidence to back up your claim that no one cares about race in America? It sure looks like a lot of you birthers sure do. Did you by chance ever watch a Palin rally? The people who brought stuffed animal monkeys weren't there on behalf of PETA, big guy.

Have you noticed that no one gave a shit about the President's birth certificate until the President was black?

And did you notice how much of the white vote Jesse Jackson got in 1984? It wasn't enough for you to hang a framed “Change We Can Believe In” poster on.

You can keep looking for evidence that Microsoft is evil and that politicians shouldn't take Microsoft's money. You can even use a Microsoft search engine to help you find what you're looking for. Your efforts to bring down Microsoft (when you commence such efforts instead of just whining about them) are certain to bring you fame and respect.*

Good luck, and Godspeed.

*not really. I just like to have something positive to say to doofuses who need motivation to continue being doofy.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

No. They did not swear on any Bibles. And even if they did, you're still posting wildly irrelevant, off-topic shit.

Did you not notice that they were both Republican? Did you notice that they were part of the Administration that was at that time building a case for war? It was Bush's Administration and Powell was the chief diplomat, so you must have noticed. It was all over Microsoft search pages.

Well, if you noticed that, did you notice that Linda Lingle and Dr. Fukino are Republicans, but that President Obama is not?

See, it was in Bush's interest to lie. Powell is a good soldier and kept his mouth shut where he should have spoken out.

It is not in Linda Lingle's interest, or Dr. Fukino's, to prop up some Democrat (yes, Adam, some BLACK Democrat).

You're not real good at this here logic stuff. Better stick to snake-handling as a means of combating computer viruses.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

“Oh, the umbilical chord is what connects you to your mommy.”

Have you figured out yet that you're too dumb to know that the word “chord” is not the same as the word “cord?”


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

“What's B.O. to you?”

B.O. means body odor to me. It stinks. I would imagine it's kinda the same as being on the losing end of an argument. Tell me, Microsoft-wacko, what's it like to be on the losing end of an argument?

Non-governmental websites are now suspect for you, huh? What a surprise. But that implies you trust the government. You have already told us you do not. So that means you trust no one. Great job! Just don't get rooked on the price of tinfoil for your hat.

“Gospel truth isn't the basis of a solid argument by your standard, either.”

Wow. That's gibberish. Truth, gospel or otherwise, is all you need for a solid argument. This little nugget explains why you have no solid arguments.

Obama's documentation HAS been verified by elected officials, like Linda Lingle.

McCain's documentation was NOT verified. An Act of Congress established that we don't need to see his papers. Remember? Clinton and Obama supported the measure, to spare McCain the embarrassment of a silly investigation requiring McCain to show his papers and demonstrate his eligibility. He's white, after all, Adam.

Let me know when you come up with something new. I have to turn my attention to other birthers that Pete alerted me to. I have to work fast before my computer crashes. Damn Microsoft. You know how it is. Lousy “advertizing” and spam. Gets into my computer's carburetor and messes up the rack-and-pinion steering in my graphics card.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

“This has been fun.”

Yes, watching you get all fussy and profane about your inability to understand simple written English has been amusing.

I didn't predict that you'd be so incompetent when it comes to understanding what simple words mean. I figured anyone who spent a half century studying English would at least be able to decipher a simple statute.

Much to my delight, I was wrong.

Hey, there's more cussin' in your fussin' than usual. Hope I'm not getting under your skin, Brokewind. It's way too early in the day for you to soil yourself. Your mother won't be home for several hours. Just don't sit down or you'll smoosh your feces onto your skin and get diaper rash again.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

LMAO

When I quickly skimmed your post, I first thought it read “Far Side Gains Influence.” That would make more sense. Gary Larson would have a brilliant take on these dolts.

“Don't let the haircut fool you, I'm quite wealthy.” –Bill Gates, after Homer stage-whispers “check out the bowl job, Marge”


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

“He wasn't born out of state, or it would have said so on his COLB.”

Yes that would have been on there if the COLB were genuine. When a judge demands the production of that COLB in physical (paper) form and it is seen to be the forgery that it definitely is, well then it will really get interesting.

Don't worry, it will all get sorted out the minute someone gets access to the original documents and goes public with them. The State of Hawaii has some pretty “liberal” policies apparently. I mean if they adhere to their own laws regarding access to vital records. Could be some pissed off member of Obama's own family going in there requesting copies of any original documents. By law, depending on the relation, Hawaii would be obliged to produce the documents. Pretty cool. Huh?

Okay, go back to your circuses and cartoons. Don't let this “confuddle” you. Oooh! There's a little red line under “confuddle”.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Shouldn't “doofuses” be “doofi”? Or “doofice”?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Typical ad hominum anti-birther ranting. So characteristic of everything Stevie ever writes. Notice he will never comment directly on how Hawaiian law corresponds with the left-wing pro-Obama claims that “only the computer generated COLB is available from Hawaiian Vital Statistics”. Can't back the claim with facts, so they always attack anyone who brings up the facts. “

Ad hominem
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: “argument to the person” or “argument against the person”) is an argument which links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of a person advocating the premise.[citation needed]

In Douglas Walton's Informal Logic: A Pragmatic Approach, the ad hominem argument is shown not to be a fallacy despite there being fallacious instances of the argument.[1]
Contents
[hide]

* 1 Structure of the Argument
* 2 Usage
o 2.1 In informal logic
* 3 Types of ad hominems
o 3.1 Ad hominem abusive
o 3.2 Ad hominem circumstantial
o 3.3 Ad hominem tu quoque
o 3.4 Guilt by association
* 4 Inverse ad hominem
* 5 See also
* 6 References
* 7 Sources
* 8 Further reading
* 9 External links

[edit] Structure of the Argument

An ad hominem argument has the basic form:

Person A makes claim X
There is something objectionable about Person A
Therefore claim X is false

The first premise is called a 'factual claim' and is the pivot point of much debate. The contention is referred to as an 'inferential claim' and represents the reasoning process. There are two types of inferential claim, explicit and implicit. The fallacy does not represent a valid form of reasoning because even if you accept both co-premises, that does not guarantee the truthfulness of the contention. This can also be thought of as the argument having an un-stated co-premise.[citation needed]

In the past, the term ad hominem was sometimes used more literally, to describe an argument that was based on an individual, or to describe any personal attack. However, this is not how the meaning of the term is typically introduced in modern logic and rhetoric textbooks, and logicians and rhetoricians are in agreement that this use is incorrect.[2]

Example:

“You claim that this man is innocent, but you cannot be trusted since you are a criminal as well.”

This argument would generally be accepted as reasonable, as regards personal evidence, on the premise that criminals are likely to lie to protect each other. On the other hand, it is a valid example of ad hominem if the source making the claim is doing so on the basis of evidence independent of its own credibility.

In general, ad hominem criticism of evidence cannot prove the negative of the proposition being claimed:

Example:

“Paula says the umpire made the correct call, but this can't be true, because Paula is a stupid idiot.”

Assuming the premise is correct, Paula's evidence is valueless, but the umpire may nonetheless have made the right call.

[edit] Types of ad hominems

Three traditionally identified varieties are ad hominem abusive (or ad personam), ad hominem circumstantial, and ad hominem tu quoque.

[edit] Ad hominem abusive

Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam) usually and most notoriously involves insulting or belittling one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensible character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions.

This tactic is frequently employed as a propaganda tool among politicians who are attempting to influence the voter base in their favor through an appeal to emotion rather than by logical means, especially when their own position is logically weaker than their opponent's.

Examples:

* “You can't believe Jack when he says God exists because he doesn't even have a job.”
* “Candidate Jane Jones's proposal X is ridiculous. She was caught cheating on her taxes in 2003.”

[edit] Ad hominem circumstantial

Ad hominem circumstantial involves pointing out that someone is in circumstances such that he is disposed to take a particular position. Essentially, ad hominem circumstantial constitutes an attack on the bias of a source. The reason that this is fallacious in syllogistic logic is that pointing out that one's opponent is disposed to make a certain argument does not make the argument, from a logical point of view, any less credible; this overlaps with the genetic fallacy (an argument that a claim is incorrect due to its source).

On the other hand, where the source taking a position seeks to convince us by a claim of authority, or personal observation, observation of their circumstances may reduce the evidentiary weight of the claims, sometimes to zero.[3]

Examples:

* “Tobacco company representatives should not be believed when they say smoking doesn't seriously affect your health, because they're just defending their own multi-million-dollar financial interests.”

* “He's physically addicted to nicotine. Of course he defends smoking!”

* “What do you know about politics? You're too young to vote!”

Mandy Rice-Davies's famous testimony, during the Profumo Affair, “Well, he would [say that], wouldn't he?”, is an example of a valid circumstantial argument. Her point is that since a man in a prominent position, accused of an affair with a callgirl, would deny the claim whether it was true or false, his denial, in itself, carries little evidential weight against the claim of an affair. Note, however, that this argument is valid only insofar as it devalues the denial; it does not bolster the original claim. To construe evidentiary invalidation of the denial as evidentiary validation of the original claim is fallacious (on several different bases, including that of argumentum ad hominem); however likely the man in question would be to deny an affair that did in fact happen, he could only be more likely to deny an affair that never did.

[edit] Ad hominem tu quoque
Main article: tu quoque

Ad hominem tu quoque (lit: “You too!”) refers to a claim that the source making the argument has spoken or acted in a way inconsistent with the argument. In particular, if Source A criticizes the actions of Source B, a tu quoque response is that Source A has acted in the same way. This argument is fallacious because it does not disprove the argument; if the premise is true then Source A may be a hypocrite, but this does not make the statement less credible from a logical perspective. Indeed, Source A may be in a position to provide personal testimony on the negative consequences of the stated action.

Examples:

* “You say that stealing is wrong, but you do it as well.”

* “He says we shouldn't enslave people, yet he himself owns slaves.”

[edit] Guilt by association
Main article: Association fallacy

Guilt by association can sometimes also be a type of ad hominem fallacy, if the argument attacks a source because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.

This form of the argument is as follows:

Source A makes claim P.
Group B also make claim P.
Therefore, source A is a member of group B.

Example:

“You say the gap between the rich and poor is unacceptable, but communists also say this, therefore you are a communist”

This fallacy can also take another form:

Source A makes claim P.
Group B make claims P and Q.
Therefore, Source A makes claim Q.

Examples:

“You say the gap between the rich and poor is unacceptable, but communists also say this, and they believe in revolution. Thus, you believe in revolution.”

A similar tactic may be employed to encourage someone to renounce an opinion, or force them to choose between renouncing an opinion or admitting membership in a group. For example:

“You say the gap between the rich and poor is unacceptable. You don't really mean that, do you? Communists say the same thing. You're not a communist, are you?”

Guilt by association may be combined with ad hominem abusive. For example:

“You say the gap between the rich and poor is unacceptable, but communists also say this, and therefore you are a communist. Communists are unlikeable, and therefore everything they say is false, and therefore everything you say is false.”

A reductio ad Hitlerum argument can be seen as an example of a “guilt by association” fallacy, since it attacks a viewpoint simply because it was supposedly espoused by Adolf Hitler, as if it is impossible that such a man could have held any viewpoint that is correct.

[edit] Inverse ad hominem

An inverse ad hominem argument praises a source in order to add support for that source's argument or claim. A fallacious inverse ad hominem argument may go something like this:

“That man was smartly-dressed and charming, so I'll accept his argument that I should vote for him”

As with regular ad hominem arguments, not all cases of inverse ad hominem are fallacious. Consider the following:

“Elizabeth has never told a lie in her entire life, and she says she saw him take the bag. She must be telling the truth.”

Here the arguer is not suggesting we accept Elizabeth's argument, but her testimony. Her being an honest person is relevant to the truth of the conclusion (that he took the bag), just as her having bad eyesight (a regular case of ad hominem) would give reason not to believe her. However, the last part of the argument is false even if the premise is true, since having never told a lie before does not mean she isn't now.

Appeal to authority is a type of inverse ad hominem argument.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

THE “AD HOMINEM” ATTACK.

This is the main tactic of the anti-birther left. They use it because they cannot argue real facts on the issue. Their favorite label is “racist”. But they like to infer that all people asking for a real birth certificate do so because they are also delusional, stupid, insane, illiterate, uninformed, uneducated, retarded etc. etc ad nauseum, ad infinitum. Don't believe me? Just watch for a while.

Ad hominem
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: “argument to the person” or “argument against the person”) is an argument which links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of a person advocating the premise.[citation needed]

In Douglas Walton's Informal Logic: A Pragmatic Approach, the ad hominem argument is shown not to be a fallacy despite there being fallacious instances of the argument.[1]
Contents
[hide]

* 1 Structure of the Argument
* 2 Usage
o 2.1 In informal logic
* 3 Types of ad hominems
o 3.1 Ad hominem abusive
o 3.2 Ad hominem circumstantial
o 3.3 Ad hominem tu quoque
o 3.4 Guilt by association
* 4 Inverse ad hominem
* 5 See also
* 6 References
* 7 Sources
* 8 Further reading
* 9 External links

[edit] Structure of the Argument

An ad hominem argument has the basic form:

Person A makes claim X
There is something objectionable about Person A
Therefore claim X is false

The first premise is called a 'factual claim' and is the pivot point of much debate. The contention is referred to as an 'inferential claim' and represents the reasoning process. There are two types of inferential claim, explicit and implicit. The fallacy does not represent a valid form of reasoning because even if you accept both co-premises, that does not guarantee the truthfulness of the contention. This can also be thought of as the argument having an un-stated co-premise.[citation needed]

[edit] Usage

[edit] In informal logic

In the past, the term ad hominem was sometimes used more literally, to describe an argument that was based on an individual, or to describe any personal attack. However, this is not how the meaning of the term is typically introduced in modern logic and rhetoric textbooks, and logicians and rhetoricians are in agreement that this use is incorrect.[2]

Example:

“You claim that this man is innocent, but you cannot be trusted since you are a criminal as well.”

This argument would generally be accepted as reasonable, as regards personal evidence, on the premise that criminals are likely to lie to protect each other. On the other hand, it is a valid example of ad hominem if the source making the claim is doing so on the basis of evidence independent of its own credibility.

In general, ad hominem criticism of evidence cannot prove the negative of the proposition being claimed:

Example:

“Paula says the umpire made the correct call, but this can't be true, because Paula is a stupid idiot.”

Assuming the premise is correct, Paula's evidence is valueless, but the umpire may nonetheless have made the right call.

[edit] Types of ad hominems

Three traditionally identified varieties are ad hominem abusive (or ad personam), ad hominem circumstantial, and ad hominem tu quoque.

[edit] Ad hominem abusive

Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam) usually and most notoriously involves insulting or belittling one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensible character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions.

This tactic is frequently employed as a propaganda tool among politicians who are attempting to influence the voter base in their favor through an appeal to emotion rather than by logical means, especially when their own position is logically weaker than their opponent's.

Examples:

* “You can't believe Jack when he says God exists because he doesn't even have a job.”
* “Candidate Jane Jones's proposal X is ridiculous. She was caught cheating on her taxes in 2003.”

[edit] Ad hominem circumstantial

Ad hominem circumstantial involves pointing out that someone is in circumstances such that he is disposed to take a particular position. Essentially, ad hominem circumstantial constitutes an attack on the bias of a source. The reason that this is fallacious in syllogistic logic is that pointing out that one's opponent is disposed to make a certain argument does not make the argument, from a logical point of view, any less credible; this overlaps with the genetic fallacy (an argument that a claim is incorrect due to its source).

On the other hand, where the source taking a position seeks to convince us by a claim of authority, or personal observation, observation of their circumstances may reduce the evidentiary weight of the claims, sometimes to zero.[3]

Examples:

* “Tobacco company representatives should not be believed when they say smoking doesn't seriously affect your health, because they're just defending their own multi-million-dollar financial interests.”

* “He's physically addicted to nicotine. Of course he defends smoking!”

* “What do you know about politics? You're too young to vote!”

Mandy Rice-Davies's famous testimony, during the Profumo Affair, “Well, he would [say that], wouldn't he?”, is an example of a valid circumstantial argument. Her point is that since a man in a prominent position, accused of an affair with a callgirl, would deny the claim whether it was true or false, his denial, in itself, carries little evidential weight against the claim of an affair. Note, however, that this argument is valid only insofar as it devalues the denial; it does not bolster the original claim. To construe evidentiary invalidation of the denial as evidentiary validation of the original claim is fallacious (on several different bases, including that of argumentum ad hominem); however likely the man in question would be to deny an affair that did in fact happen, he could only be more likely to deny an affair that never did.

[edit] Ad hominem tu quoque
Main article: tu quoque

Ad hominem tu quoque (lit: “You too!”) refers to a claim that the source making the argument has spoken or acted in a way inconsistent with the argument. In particular, if Source A criticizes the actions of Source B, a tu quoque response is that Source A has acted in the same way. This argument is fallacious because it does not disprove the argument; if the premise is true then Source A may be a hypocrite, but this does not make the statement less credible from a logical perspective. Indeed, Source A may be in a position to provide personal testimony on the negative consequences of the stated action.

Examples:

* “You say that stealing is wrong, but you do it as well.”

* “He says we shouldn't enslave people, yet he himself owns slaves.”

[edit] Guilt by association
Main article: Association fallacy

Guilt by association can sometimes also be a type of ad hominem fallacy, if the argument attacks a source because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.

This form of the argument is as follows:

Source A makes claim P.
Group B also make claim P.
Therefore, source A is a member of group B.

Example:

“You say the gap between the rich and poor is unacceptable, but communists also say this, therefore you are a communist”

This fallacy can also take another form:

Source A makes claim P.
Group B make claims P and Q.
Therefore, Source A makes claim Q.

Examples:

“You say the gap between the rich and poor is unacceptable, but communists also say this, and they believe in revolution. Thus, you believe in revolution.”

A similar tactic may be employed to encourage someone to renounce an opinion, or force them to choose between renouncing an opinion or admitting membership in a group. For example:

“You say the gap between the rich and poor is unacceptable. You don't really mean that, do you? Communists say the same thing. You're not a communist, are you?”

Guilt by association may be combined with ad hominem abusive. For example:

“You say the gap between the rich and poor is unacceptable, but communists also say this, and therefore you are a communist. Communists are unlikeable, and therefore everything they say is false, and therefore everything you say is false.”

A reductio ad Hitlerum argument can be seen as an example of a “guilt by association” fallacy, since it attacks a viewpoint simply because it was supposedly espoused by Adolf Hitler, as if it is impossible that such a man could have held any viewpoint that is correct.

[edit] Inverse ad hominem

An inverse ad hominem argument praises a source in order to add support for that source's argument or claim. A fallacious inverse ad hominem argument may go something like this:

“That man was smartly-dressed and charming, so I'll accept his argument that I should vote for him”

As with regular ad hominem arguments, not all cases of inverse ad hominem are fallacious. Consider the following:

“Elizabeth has never told a lie in her entire life, and she says she saw him take the bag. She must be telling the truth.”

Here the arguer is not suggesting we accept Elizabeth's argument, but her testimony. Her being an honest person is relevant to the truth of the conclusion (that he took the bag), just as her having bad eyesight (a regular case of ad hominem) would give reason not to believe her. However, the last part of the argument is false even if the premise is true, since having never told a lie before does not mean she isn't now.

Appeal to authority is a type of inverse ad hominem argument.


Adam
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

How do you know it's “not in [their] interest” to prop up some Democrat? For probably the same reasons as the Democrats, Dubya promoted the assylum for illegals legislation. Maybe B.O.'s goons know that Dr Fukino has an offshore account. The point is that public officials are fully capable of lying through their teeth. All your Platonic programming can't seem to compute this.

At any rate, I still think B.O. is 'white'. As 'white' and Democrat as Richard Mobster Daley. Apparently, many of B.O.'s supporters are pretty racists, too, especially where Jews are considered. Just look at the Netanyahu conspiracy theories and all the antisemitic crap from the Obamamaniac crowd.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Oh, I think when the right people start asking for the right verifications it will all come clear very quickly. Fukino can allow of disallow what she likes. If she doesn't want to cooperate, then the statute provides other options to those seeking the pertinent information. Patience Grasshoppa. We'll get there. Boy Stevie, you sure type a lot to say so little of consequence. Is that the “ad hominem” thing at work again? Not working.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

“Does he even HAVE a birth certificate?”

Now, see Stevie, that is my question for BHO and it has never been answered fully. I actually have a photocopy of my original certificate right here in my desk somewhere. Oh, god! I hope I haven't lost it! That would be terrible. What if I decide to run for POTUS someday? All those embarrassing questions about my foreign father and possible out-of-Africa birth rumors will run rampant. Oh, there it is, and THANK GOD, my race is listed as CAUCASIAN just like my parents. Whew. And it displays the names and ages of both my mom and dad and shows they were born in the USA. And gosh golly gee. Look at that, my delivering physician's name and signature and the name of the hospital are there as well. Wonderful things these birf sirtifikits! And I got my bachelor's degree at Texas A&M University, and was commissioned in the United States Marine Corps after spending all four undergraduate years at TAMU as a member of the Corps of Cadets. But since I'm not running for POTUS, there is no real reason for me to release any of this information to the general public. No constitutional requirement for the BC to be produced for any reason at this point in MY life. And really, since I'm not a public figure, no reason to give information about me to anyone. Your Trojans huh?

So this must be a blast from your past. People's magazine, 1998.

“Crispus is a dynamic man. He has a sparkle and a smile that's just amazing,” says USC law student Stephen Perry, 23, who gets $23,000 a year from the Wright Scholarship Endowment. “I can't fathom the amount of money he has given away.”

So what are you doing these days? Do you have BHO's old attorney job at ACORN?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

You may soon be finding out more than you want to know.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

“Tell me, Microsoft-wacko, what's it like to be on the losing end of an argument?”

You can give us all a real good take on that I'm sure. You are about to have another nice example to give as part of your own personal experience in losing arguments.


Adam
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

This website is probably hosted on a server runing Linux, BSD, or possibly [Open]Solaris. I don't know about you, but I'm using Firefox right now. I use OOo for all of my documents. MS actually uses BSD on their Hotmail servers.

Actually, MS does make superb mice and keyboards, but it missed the hardware and IT service boat a long time ago. Companies like IBM and HP sell hardware and IT support, Red Hat and Canonical make nice profits on IT support…but MS is just selling licenses. They're bleeding money and need B.O.'s porkbarrel medical records program and Armed Forces software contracts to stay afloat. This will come out of everyone's taxes, unlike open-source software solutions (or simply not embarking on that stupid medical records program).

I know you don't trust these folks, but here it is again:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

The worst B.O. scandal, in my opinion, are his conections to the Daley mob. Now, there is Da Boss in the White House, handing those stimulus billions out to cronies.

One of the funiest things was the disciplining of two Georgia police officers, for runing a background check on B.O. Just WHAT is he hiding? Apparently, you need to have a background check to buy a .117 rimfire gopher rifle, but not to have control over the U.S. nuclear arsenal.


Adam
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

Anybody who has to, say, take marching orders from this man has a tangible interest in verifying his birth records. Hence, all those servicemens' lawsuits. Ditto for anybody who pays taxes, lives under federal laws…in short, EVERYBODY.

And again, why are cops and Homeland Security personel getting into trouble for accessing B.O.'s records? What is in the Boss of the Country's records that he doesn't want revealed?


Adam
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

Unlike you, some of us aren't into the sausage-party spectacle of college football. (like them tight pants?)

The Beeb's been covering this issue, much more so than the U.S. press. They've been pretty neutral on the issue, avoiding all the 'tinfoil' epithets:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/americas/8171314.stm

I don't know about Roguewind, but I'm going to watch Emmy Rossum's décolletage on 'Phantom of the Opera' for the 12th time–no stinkin', but-slappin', communal-showerin' young lads who play with balls.


Anonymous
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

“Typical ad hominum anti-birther ranting.”

Sure is a lot a words from a guy who can’t spell “ad hominem.” Even when the word is peppered throughout the fucking Wikipedia entry itself.

Wow, your stupidity wouldn’t fit in the LA Coliseum, where my Trojans humiliated the Buckeyes last year. Next week they’re headed to Columbus to repeat the lesson.

Hope to see you at the game, Brokewind!

Just, uh, sit downwind from me. I’m sure you’ll be eating chili fries and I want to be well out of range.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

“But they like to infer that all people asking for a real birth certificate do so because they…”

Leaving aside your inability to distinguish “infer” from “imply” for the moment (“imply is the one you wanted, and you again had a fifty-fifty chance and guessed wrong), you're ignoring reality again, Brokewind.

We understand that those people asking for a “real” birth certificate have no evidence that the COLB is not genuine. Nor do they have any history of ever asking for even so much as a COLB of any other President or candidate for President.

There's not much need for us to imply anything. You birthers always give the game away with your racism. Like your decision to have an avatar that's a primate, but then to refer to the primate as my toothless Negro uncle.

You may never master basic English. You'll certainly never fool normal people into thinking you have an ounce of common sense.

But you stay classy, kiddo!


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

No, Adam. Those people who have a tangible interest are defined by statute. Servicemen, taxpayers, and the general public are not included.

If you were any better than Roguewind at reading basic English, you'd stop embarrassing yourself by trying to misrepresent what is written and publicly-available.

Cops, Homeland Security personnel, and anyone else who breaks federal and state law by snooping through anyone's private records will be punished. This happened before President Obama and it will happen after he is no longer President. It's part of living in America. You have a reasonable expectation of privacy as to certain things. Your personal data are certainly among those things.

You, as an absurdly paranoid anti-technology company wacko, should understand that.

I bet you always try not to accept the software company's disclaimer when you install software upgrades. Yet you think random drunk off-duty cops should be allowed to access anyone's personal records.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

“Oh, I think when the right people start asking for the right verifications it will all come clear very quickly.”

Wow. And when do you think this is gonna happen? And who are the right people? And what are the right verifications? You sure do a lot of wishful thinking.

“Fukino can allow of disallow what she likes.”

Well, you haven't gotten any better at spelling two letter words. I thought it was just is and if. Now it's of and or, too. Yikes.

Even assuming arguendo that you're right, and Fukino can allow or disallow what she likes, have you noticed that she disallowed anyone from looking at the original vital records who does not have a tangible interest?

Yeah, that's why you have to keep doing the wishful thinking.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Oh that's hilarious. You think college football is gay but you want to watch Phantom of the Opera?

I have gay friends who would call you out for a 15 yard penalty on that one. Unnecessary fagginess.

I'm not sure Randwulf will tolerate being called Roguewind by you on this site. He goes by that name on Stormfront and is kinda sensitive about it. That's why I call him that. Careful or you'll be on his bad side, too.

So you can spell decolletage but cannot spell “butt.” How odd. Seems like you're trying too hard to make us think you're not gay. You shouldn't have thrown that Phantom of the Opera reference in there.

From now on your name is not Adam. It's either Bruce or Julian. You have fifteen minutes to pick one or the default, Bruce, will become etched in stone.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

Why would your birth certificate read that you are Caucasian? You told us that you're African-American. You also told us you're half-white.

Man, for a guy who lies about himself, you sure did dig deeply to find out that I tell the truth! People magazine, huh? I didn't remember that interview. Usually people just show me the CNN clip from when I got interviewed on my second and third days of law school.

Yes, I attended USC's Law Center on a full-tuition academic scholarship. Have you looked into my college academic scholarships (also at USC)? I'm sure the one you'd find most easily is my National Merit Scholarship, but there were a half-dozen others. USC ain't cheap and I didn't come from wealth, so I scooped up every academic scholarship they offered me.

How disappointed were you to find out that I'm really an attorney? Just don't tell FakeJim aka jimhenderson. He'll be devastated.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Randwulf/Roguewind/Brokewind managed to find some obscure quote I gave to People magazine (not “People's magazine” as he puts it) a decade ago when I was a law student. I was the first recipient of a full-tuition academic scholarship endowed by a USC alum named Crispus Attucks Wright. I want to be sure that you all understand the significance of this point.

It is not remarkable because it proves that I tell the truth about being an attorney and about having attended USC. You already knew those things.

It is instead revealing because it demonstrates that the chronic fibber we all know and love as Brokewind is in fact capable of looking things up on the ol' intertubes. If he can find obscure information about little ol' me, surely it stands to reason that he can find some evidence that Obama is not legitimate.

So why has he not found any such evidence?

While you're pondering that, consider his post and my response:

“Your Trojans huh?

So this must be a blast from your past. People's magazine, 1998.

'Crispus is a dynamic man. He has a sparkle and a smile that's just amazing,' says USC law student Stephen Perry, 23, who gets $23,000 a year from the Wright Scholarship Endowment. 'I can't fathom the amount of money he has given away.'

So what are you doing these days? Do you have BHO's old attorney job at ACORN?”–Randwulf/Roguewind/Brokewind

stephenperry 0 minutes ago

“Why would your birth certificate read that you are Caucasian? You told us that you're African-American. You also told us you're half-white.

Man, for a guy who lies about himself, you sure did dig deeply to find out that I tell the truth! People magazine, huh? I didn't remember that interview. Usually people just show me the CNN clip from when I got interviewed on my second and third days of law school.

Yes, I attended USC's Law Center on a full-tuition academic scholarship. Have you looked into my college academic scholarships (also at USC)? I'm sure the one you'd find most easily is my National Merit Scholarship, but there were a half-dozen others. USC ain't cheap and I didn't come from wealth, so I scooped up every academic scholarship they offered me.

How disappointed were you to find out that I'm really an attorney? Just don't tell FakeJim aka jimhenderson. He'll be devastated.”

So birthers tell stupid lies, and birthers will lie about anything, but birthers have access to the same Google searches that we do. So there's no excuse for their failure to find evidence that supports their claims. They fail to find the evidence because they are lying. Big surprise!


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Ok, that's fifteen minutes, Bruce. You'll enjoy uncloseted life more. But you'll be just as vulnerable to Microsoft's machinations.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Ooooohhhh, that's a devastating comeback.

It's even better than if you'd told me to wait till your big brother gets done sacking groceries at Food4Less.

“You've won all right. You've won more than you bargained for.” –Mr. Burns, to new union president Homer Simpson

“Whoo-hoo!” –Homer Simpson, who doesn't understand sarcasm


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

“Yes that would have been on there if the COLB were genuine. When a judge demands the production of that COLB in physical (paper) form and it is seen to be the forgery that it definitely is, well then it will really get interesting.”

So, where's the proof you're sitting on that demonstrates the COLB isn't genuine? Why did you keep this proof from World Net Daily? They couldn't find any forgery and confirmed that it's authentic:

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Of course, that was a year ago. Kinda boring to go over the truth ad nauseum. Which is why I like to mock you. That never gets old.

“Confuddle” is a word. I did not make it up. We've been over this. I'm sorry that pop culture has moved on without asking for you to hurry up and tie your velcro-laced shoes.

Here's the first page you get when you Google “confuddle” – note the reference to Merriam-Webster's, Brokewind. (they're a company that makes dictionaries, which, it turns out, can do more than stabilize a wobbly kitchen table leg):

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Urban Dictionary: confuddle
confuddle – 5 definitions – Merge of the words 'confused' and 'befuddle.' Origin unknown; I have claimed to have created it before to my friend, wh…
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Urban Dictionary: Confuddled
Confuddled – 15 definitions – Being confuddled is when your confused about being confused but u dont know wot your confused about so your completly…
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Oct 29, 2007 … Submitted by: Jack Dugdale from Vermont on Apr. 30, 2008 20:26: (verb) : To confuse and befuddle at the same time: I am confuddled on how …
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Name words that when spoken .. in Australia.. you get that vacant stare from the receiver…. such as MINGING.
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http://www.google.com/search?q=confuddle&ie=utf…


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Hey, it's way too late for you to try to prove that you don't understand English, Brokewind. We have known that for a long time.

You should focus on proving that Obama is not eligible to be President.

Meanwhile, here's Merriam-Webster — note the plural of doofus is exactly what I told you it is, you racist doofus:

” * Main Entry: doo·fus
* Pronunciation: ?dü-f?s, -fis
* Function: noun
* Inflected Form(s): plural doo·fus·es -f?-siz
* Etymology: perhaps alteration of 1goof
* Date: 1960

slang : a stupid, incompetent, or foolish person”

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doofus


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Bruce, you're still wrong. If anyone “promoted the assylum [sic],” it would have been Kennedy or Clinton. Those guys got ass.

“Maybe B.O.'s goons know that…”

No. We're not playing “maybe.” You need evidence. Otherwise you're just speculating. And we know that you are not objective. You distrust all politicians.

Oh, that reminds me….

“…public officials are fully capable of lying through their teeth.”

Maybe so, but Microsoft is fully capable of giving a dollar to every man, woman and child on the planet. It hasn't done so. So who cares? Have you got any evidence that the Republican public officials who have confirmed Obama's birthplace are lying? No? Okay, back to bitching about Microsoft for you, Bruce.

One thing before you go. “Apparently, many of B.O.'s supporters are pretty racists, too, especially where Jews are considered.”

Does this mean you think racists are attractive? Or that you don't understand subject-verb agreement? Both? I'm going with both, provided that you're considering the attractiveness of male racists. You know, what with you being a Phantom of the Opera closet fag and all.

Sheesh. My MOM asked me to take her to Phantom of the Opera and I said no, and I love my Mom. A man has to draw the line somewhere, Bruce. Don't worry, I took my parents to a Dallas Cowboys game and all was forgiven.

By the way, Bruce, the only men who comment on how tight a football player's pants appear to be are homosexual men. Of course, you knew that. Just like you know that Microsoft is right at this moment plotting to poison your Sunny Delight.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Wow, Roguewind. You don't get rainchecks and IOU's on comebacks. You either have something to tell me or you don't. You already know you don't have anything to tell me. Why keep us in suspense?

This is just as devastating as when you told me, above,

“You may soon be finding out more than you want to know.”

Zing! You sure told me. Well, I've got a great comeback. You'll be crushed. Just wait and see. It's coming. And when I tell it to you, wow. You'll be blown away. Just hang on while I think of it.

“What kind of tie am I wearing?” –Lionel Hutz, cross-examining Apu Nahasapemapetalan

“You are wearing a red and white striped tie, tied in a half-Windsor knot.” –Apu

“Is that what you think? Well if that's what you think..ugh…I have something to tell you…ugh…something which may shock and discredit you…ugh…and that thing is as follows: I'm not wearing a tie at all.” –Lionel Hutz, while struggling to remove his tie

“But if I am wrong about this, perhaps I am also wrong about Mrs. Homer!” –Apu


stephenperry
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

You're right, Bruce. I don't trust WND. Nor does any other reasonable person. But they are entertaining. If I get bored of mocking you and Brokewind I might click on your WND link. But don't hold your breath waiting. I might just fire up the DirecTV DVR and watch the 56-3 pasting my Trojans put on the hapless Spartans, all without ever getting out of their base package.

Oh shit. I wrote the word “package.” Now you're thinking of tight-pants-wearing muscular young men. Oh well. Your closet homosexuality isn't my concern. Nor is your weird phobia of tech companies. But both are fun to mock.

I use Opera or Firefox, depending on what I want to look at. I use Google Docs and OpenOffice docs for personal use, MS Word for business (like the rest of the legal world, when WordPerfect sputtered to its death, FINALLY — I got sick of looking at WP 5.0 and its blue screen full of codes).

But I don't have raving paranoia about technology companies.

“One of the funiest [sic] things” has been pointing out your inability to spell simple words while you are simultaneously trying to appear intelligent about Microsoft and the ways of the political world.

The two Georgia police officers who were “runing [sic] a background check” were not authorized to do it. That's the problem. That, and your aforementioned spelling problems, Bruce.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

infer
– 4 dictionary results
in?fer
??/?n?f?r/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-fur] Show IPA verb, -ferred, -fer?ring.
Use infer in a Sentence
See web results for infer
See images of infer
–verb (used with object)
1. to derive by reasoning; conclude or judge from premises or evidence: They inferred his displeasure from his cool tone of voice.
2. (of facts, circumstances, statements, etc.) to indicate or involve as a conclusion; lead to.
3. to guess; speculate; surmise.
4. to hint; imply; suggest.
–verb (used without object)
5. to draw a conclusion, as by reasoning.
Origin:
1520–30; < L inferre, equiv. to in- in- 2 + ferre to bring, carry, bear 1

Related forms:
in?fer?a?ble, in?fer?i?ble, in?fer?ri?ble, adjective
in?fer?a?bly, adverb
in?fer?rer, noun

Synonyms:
1. deduce, reason, guess.

Usage note:
Infer has been used to mean “to hint or suggest” since the 16th century by speakers and writers of unquestioned ability and eminence: The next speaker criticized the proposal, inferring that it was made solely to embarrass the government. Despite its long history, many 20th-century usage guides condemn the use, maintaining that the proper word for the intended sense is imply and that to use infer is to lose a valuable distinction between the two words.
Although the claimed distinction has probably existed chiefly in the pronouncements of usage guides, and although the use of infer to mean “to suggest” usually produces no ambiguity, the distinction too has a long history and is widely observed by many speakers and writers.

Spend a lot of time admiring yourself in the mirror, complimenting yourself on your own scribblings and listening admiringly to recordings of your own voice do you? I'll bet so. Did I mis-type anything there?
Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.


Adam
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

I'm curious why you Obamamaniacs think it's okay to illegally-access and publically-disclose the records of, say, Sam Wurzelbacher, but NOT an elected official and Commander in Chief of the world's most powerful, nuclear-armed military, with the power to send people to battle and veto legislation, make court appointments, &c.

And I do not EVER use proprietary software. Even the NSA doesn't trust proprietary software–that's why they released Selinux as free and open-source.


Adam
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

I'll defer to your expertise on spelling <butt>, as you gawk at them in those tight football pants.


Adam
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

You can call me 'Hollywood'.

And I still never use Micturatingsloth crapware.


Adam
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

Rather than hanging on every typo, go check out some of the crazy antisemitic conspiracy theories that the Obamamaniacs are tossing about–you'll be amazed. Like I said, even the entertainment glitteratti have gotten into the Jew-gashing game.

So, you turned down the opportunity to ogle Emmy Rossum, in favor of sweaty men? For your sake, I hope there were the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders there. Sarah Shahi used to be one. If the Salafis take over, there will only be MALE cheerleaders… :@


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 12:14 am

Wow. You cut and pasted a lot of words to prove me right.

The word you used was “infer.” The word you should have used was “imply.” We have been over this.

Do you know what a “usage guide” is? It is a book that tells you what the correct usage of language is. Strunk & White's “The Elements of Style” is probably the most famous one, commonly simply referred to as “Strunk & White,” the editors. The Chicago Manual of Style is almost as famous, but we know you'd simply squawk about Chicago like the Tuciesque parrot that you are if I cited that one.

So we'll stick with Strunk & White. Check out page 51:

“Imply.Infer. Not interchangeable. Something implied is something suggested or indicated, though not expressed. Something inferred is something deduced from evidence at hand. Farming implies early rising. Since she was a farmer, we inferred that she got up early.”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2629370/Writing-The-E…

Did you catch that, Roguewind? It may have been too difficult for a beginner like you. Give yourself another 50 years to learn English on your own.

Or, if you'd like a little coaching, I can give you a pointer here. When you're trying to figure out whether to use infer or imply, and your two-headed quarter doesn't have the answers, use this little system:

If the person is speaking or writing, they are implying. It's active. I imply what I do not write.

If the person is listening or reading, they are inferring. It is passive. You infer what you did not read.

That ought to help you, especially the last part. You have proven over and over that you are good at inferring things that do not appear anywhere in what you read. Unfortunately, making stuff up isn't really persuasive. It's funny, though!

So you keep right on demonstrating your failure to understand Hawai'ian statutes. That never gets old.

You might want to stay out of the English language snarking field, though. You're rather craptacular at it. (Oh, and I didn't make that word up either. Neither did the Simpsons writer who made Bart say it.)


Adam
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 12:44 am

I found out more than I wanted to know, when stephenperry said he PVRs college foot-balls[sic].


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 12:52 am

Bruce, when did you stop beating your boyfriend?

And what makes you think I or anyone condones the illegal access and dissemination of anyone's private data?

Assuming arguendo that Joe-the-unlicensed-tax-dodging-Welfare-receiving-plumber-named-Samuel actually was the victim of a CRIME, rather than just the unfortunate victim of a persistent member of the public who accessed lawfully-available public licensing data (I believe the latter to be correct), then what makes you think I condone that crime?

I don't think anyone should be allowed to violate anyone else's privacy, and certainly not to settle a political score.

We know that the President has nifty powers. We're not frightened by you telling us that the Black guy has the launch codes, Bruce. Grow up.

But before you grow up, invest heavily in Microsoft. In a couple of decades, you'll be a millionaire. Or, you can just keep trying on red hats (mostly made of tinfoil) and carrying a blanket like Linus, you Linux-using, Muslim-bashing bigot.

The NSA doesn't trust proprietary software? How do you know? They're spies. Maybe they lied to you. Did you look into their eyes and see their souls, like Bush did with Putin? C'mon, Bruce, you can tell us your secrets. We're already keeping the “you're-a-queen” thing close to the vest. You can trust us.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 12:54 am

So what the fuck ever? Make a point! Stop your ad hominem-num bullshit and make a fucking point! It is fucking tiresome at this point. Infer and imply are fucking synonymous. Get fucking over it. At times, people make typo mistakes. Get fucking over it. Speaking, writing, signing? What the fuck ever? Get fucking over it. You want to use your fucking ad hominem-num attack every fucking time you answer a posting? What fucking ever? YOU are the IDIOT here.

YOU can't give a believable excuse for the emperor being naked. That is the fact that everyone sees. Craptacular? Is that in one of your EBONICS dictionaries? The official Simpsons dictionary maybe? Are these your linguistic standard references now? Geeeezzz! Well Spellcheck just informed me that you are an illiterate for using the term. Fuck the Simpsons! Fuck you! Fuck your usurper! All will be settled. Soon. Oh, and fuck your version of “English”! It creates a vacuum. Any typos?


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 12:59 am

You can defer to my expertise in spelling for any reason you like. You're wrong and I'm right, which is the only reason anyone will pay attention to.

You know, Bruce, if you could stop salivating over the thought of men in tight athletic gear, you might learn to enjoy football. It's a game of strategy and willpower as much as it is a physical contest. As you find yourself consistently out-maneuvered in debates, and you realize you don't have the will to compete with the people who are more gifted than you are, you might need to dig deep for inspiration to keep going.

Once your memory of the Phantom of the Opera is no longer giving you a chubby, you might remember having seen a team of strong young men come from behind on the…

Oh shit. I didn't mean it that way. I wasn't trying to get you excited. Get yourself a Kleenex or a sock, Bruce. I won't tell anyone what happened.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:00 am

No, Bruce, I am not going to call you “Hollywood.” But I will note for the record that “Hollywood” is even more flamingly homosexual than “Bruce.”

You can call me Stepdad. The reason is because I beat you all the time and there's nothing you can do about it but sit there hating me for it.


Adam
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:04 am

stephenperry & co.,

If you're done watching the SF Bay Fudgepackers play the Lubricated Trojans, or whatever, have a look at this:

http://www.voltairenet.org/article161601.html

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1251…

If you can judge people by the company they keep, one can infer that hardcore B.O. supporters are antisemites. Even the Hollywood and Tin Pan Alley glitteratti are finally showing their true colors on this issue.

I make no apologies for fancying Emmy Rossum. I hate musicals, but Phantom of the Opera was a pleasant surprise. I even watched the dreadful Dragonball, 'cause of Emmy Rossum,,,


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:05 am

I didn't say anything. THESE ARE WRITTEN WORDS. Sorry for yelling but it's hard for you to hear me way the hell out there.

And I didn't write anything about “PVRs.” I wrote “DVR.”

Is that the problem, Bruce? Are your eyes too weak to distinguish similar-looking things? Is that why you look at Microsoft and see Beelzebub? Is that why you look at Obama's COLB and see a nine-year-old girl getting it on with some old guy in the Qur'an?

Maybe you should try squinting. There was this episode of Seinfeld where George squinted his way all the way home from the Catskills, because he forgot his glasses. He also spotted a dime from all the way across Jerry's apartment with the squinting technique. Of course, he also ate an onion out of the fridge, thinking it to be an apple.

So there's a limit to the squint-value. But it has to be an improvement over the fucked-up worldview you have now, Bruce.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:16 am

No. Infer and imply aren't synonymous, fucking or otherwise. You're wrong, and you know that.

You're also the one who made ridiculous ad hominem attacks (as in what I refer to as Post 3) to people who were polite to you. And you know that.

I'm mocking you because you call it upon yourself. And you know that.

You lie about everything from what race you are to what race your fake wife is to whether your fake wife is alive to what religion you buried your fake wife according to. And you know that.

You have been slapped around from one thread to another until you went into hiding. And then, inexplicably, you came back for more. That makes you the idiot, not me.

Which is why you get so delightfully upset with me. I keep reminding you that you're an idiot, and I keep providing proof. And, like an idiot, you keep getting all fussy, right on cue.

Is this the part where I'm supposed to remind you that you told me that none of my insults could ever have the slightest effect on you? Because I cannot remember the Birther Script. I guess I stayed up too late watching cartoons with Jim. But it seems appropriate to remind you of your words now, because you seem to be rather adversely affected.

“Oh, oh and fuck your version of 'English”! It creates a vacuum. Any typos?”

That sucking sound isn't a vacuum, Brokewind. It's the sound of your IQ falling further and further, faster and faster. Punctuation goes inside the quotes, remember? “Fuck your version of English!” Not “fuck your version of English”!

Your spellcheck led you astray. Do you rely on spellcheck to tell you whether you write something stupid, as well? Might wanna get a new idiot-check or something installed. Maybe Adam has a sanitized freeware version that has never passed within 20 miles of Redmond.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Well, we can't judge people by the company they keep. Didn't your copy of the Bible have the part about “judge not, lest ye may be judged?” Or did you just draw penises on that page, rendering it illegible, Bruce?

Didn't you hear anything about the fallacy of “guilt by association” during the campaign season? MSNBC wasn't the only network discussing that issue. I know you didn't watch them since they have that M in their name. But there were other venues, and if you ever got past your extreme fear of mass media, you would have encountered that discussion.

But let's not worry about who's anti-Semitic until you and Roguewind stop being anti-semantic.


Adam
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:55 am

“…draw penises on that page…”

Yer good! ;-) Actually, I keep the Merck Manual by my bed…

Actually, I like MS mice and keyboards. MS should've gotten more into the hardware business, like archrival IBM (as Bill sez, “BOGU”). MS Word for Mac 5.1 was the best (ergonomically-speaking) WP EVER. And MSNBC isn't any more biased than the other big newsies. However, they have done some sleazy things that would make Halliburton blush. I no longer use ANY proprietary software (I don't play games and I use BRL-CAD; you can use Win stuff with Wine on linux, though).

Israel-bashing is definately becoming fashionable in some Democrat circles, along with Islamophilia. This is probably what freaked Joe Lieberman out the Democrats' door. I doubt that B.O. is an antisemite, even though he prostrates himself before Saudi despots. However, he's been playing the “we love Qur'an thumpers!” card, to curry favor with a growing voting bloc.


Adam
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 7:16 am

Maybe my boyfriend's Adam Baldwin–not! You've been watching too many episodes of 'Chuck', after consuming a mickey of rotgut. At any rate, the point of Free and Open Source Software is that the code can be audited–no 'oopsies', like Explorer and Safari spring on users, after the fact.

The media really went after Joe the Plumber and Dubya. Whether-or-not they deserved it, they could've applied the same treatment to their star Presidential candidate. No illegal dirt-digging need've been involved. You have to admit that the media has treated Obama very kindly. Even the comedians won't touch him (the “I don't speak Austrian” comment would've been good for a few laughs). While they're at it, an exposé on Richard Daley's Outfit would be good journalism.

The WHITE guy has the nuke codes…and purple lips. If I were him, I'd get an angiogram and MIBI scan. Maybe him and Dick can go on the Ornish diet together.

Muslims used to be a diverse bunch. For example, the Ismailis, who make most Christians seem stuffy and conservative. The problem is that the Salafis have been taking over the 'Umma', riding on Gulf oil money. They have been actively promoting sedition all over the Western world. Since they LITERALLY bash Christians, Jews, Baha'is and, yes, even other Muslims (like the Ismailis), I'll bash 'em back.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 7:55 am

Stephen, Dr B is back on the WorldNetDaily Does Victory Lap thread.
I see you have found another easy target.
What do you call 144 Aggies?
Gross ignorance.
Anti-semantic, good one.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

Hey Pete.

You're right, I do tend to go for the low-hanging fruit. I'm lazy. And the birther fruit is right there waiting to be picked. I figure I'm doing the rest of the fruit a favor by culling the rotten fruit.

Speaking of fruit, did you get a load of Bruce's (Adam's) decision to tell me that he considers college football gay but he likes musicals and can't get enough of Phantom of the Opera?

Spare me your discussions of rugby and A-1 Abrams tanks. REAL manly men like show tunes.

Aggie-bashing? LOL. It's time for me to focus on Buckeye-bashing, but I'm always up for putting Texans down. They're not Longhorns but they'll have to do.

Thanks for the tip on the test-taker's whereabouts. I went over and left him a calling card. You should really charge a fee. You're like a big-game hunting guide. You somehow just KNOW where there's game afoot. National Geographic Explorer will eventually reveal your secrets, so before they do you should cash in.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Purple lips? Well, I'm not surprised.

I knew you were a racist, and I knew you were a fruit. Hence your fascination with purple things.

Tell us, was Tinky Winky really gay? He was purple. You can tell us. We won't say anything, dude.

Nor will we say anything about your revisionist history. The media didn't go after President Bush. He literally got away with committing crimes against his own people and against humanity because the media was too afraid of being frozen out of access to do its job.

Nor did the media go after Joe-the-unlicensed-tax-dodging-Welfare-receiving-racist-plumber-named-Samuel. Given the nonsense constantly spewing from his mouth (you've gotta fuck up pretty badly before Meghan McCain can credibly refer to you as a “dumbass”), the media should have plastered his face on every available surface, along with the words “This is your brain on drugs.”

Instead we just got a few clips of him wearing plaid flannel and looking stupid while saying stupid things.

Your inexplicable inability to understand Muslim goings-on is right up there with your inability to understand how corporations work or to tell the truth about what little you do understand.

You'll have to forgive my brief dismissal of your idiocy. It's Labor Day and besides that this guy I prefer to mock instead of you has just come back from Hell and I want to hear about his trip before he takes off again.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

I recently posted about the typical anti-truth-about-the-origin-of-the-Obamessiah “people” having to rely almost entirely on ad hominem attacks on the “birthers” as their ONLY way of trying to defend his refusal to become “transparent”. He is a typical “stephenperry” posting.

I rest my case.

stephenperry 14 hours ago
“Hey! Brokewind birther doofus! I think your head just exploded. I get another little sticker next to my name in the Obot blogger cafeteria.

But don't go feeling all proud. It was much better when Tuci78's head exploded in that post where he told me that Satan wasn't bad enough to deserve to spend a moment in my company, much less an eternity. But then, you never had his way with words. Pity. You do have such ENERGY. We can almost see you trembling in enraged, lip-quivering-on-the-verge-of-tears frustration. Bet you wish you could get me to stop writing to you about how dumb you are, huh? Bet short people wish they were tall, too, eh?

No. Infer and imply aren't synonymous, fucking or otherwise. You're wrong, and you know that.

You're also the one who made ridiculous ad hominem attacks (as in what I refer to as Post 3) to people who were polite to you. And you know that.

I'm mocking you because you call it upon yourself. And you know that.

You lie about everything from what race you are to what race your fake wife is to whether your fake wife is alive to what religion you buried your fake wife according to. And you know that.

You have been slapped around from one thread to another until you went into hiding. And then, inexplicably, you came back for more. That makes you the idiot, not me.

Which is why you get so delightfully upset with me. I keep reminding you that you're an idiot, and I keep providing proof. And, like an idiot, you keep getting all fussy, right on cue.

Is this the part where I'm supposed to remind you that you told me that none of my insults could ever have the slightest effect on you? Because I cannot remember the Birther Script. I guess I stayed up too late watching cartoons with Jim. But it seems appropriate to remind you of your words now, because you seem to be rather adversely affected.

“Oh, and fuck your version of 'English”! It creates a vacuum. Any typos?”

That sucking sound isn't a vacuum, Brokewind. It's the sound of your IQ falling further and further, faster and faster. Punctuation goes inside the quotes, remember? “Fuck your version of English!” Not “fuck your version of English”!

Your spellcheck led you astray. Do you rely on spellcheck to tell you whether you write something stupid, as well? Might wanna get a new idiot-check or something installed. Maybe Adam has a sanitized freeware version that has never passed within 20 miles of Redmond.

Oh, and I made several points in that post. Aside from proving yet again that you're wrong about everything you claim to be right about, I demonstrated that you cannot understand what you read, and have no business misconstruing Hawai'ian statutes.

But you know who didn't make any points? YOU. You've been stuck on 12 points for a couple of weeks now, kiddo. Better get Adam to tear his gaze away from the asses of the offensive line and the mask of the Phantom long enough to “like” a few of your comments.

Otherwise, we just have to conclude that you're only here because you like being mocked. Some guys pay to be stepped on because they like the pain and humiliation. I've heard of that. I just never met such a guy before.”


Randwulf
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

“I was the first recipient of a full-tuition academic scholarship endowed by a USC alum named Crispus Attucks Wright. I want to be sure that you all understand the significance of this point.”

So, how many White law students have received that honor? Or do they even get a chance to apply for it? Did you also apply for all the government funded scholarships that are only offered to non-White “minority” students to get through your college years? Like Obama. Your hero. How many of the scholarships that you refer to above, would you have gotten as a White student?

Well, at least YOU have already told us more about who funded your education than Obama has told us about who funded his. And speaking of Obama, (the topic of the thread) the HNIC (head narcissist in charge), is it true that he attended Occidental as a foreign student receiving U.S. government student financial aid as such? Oh, that's right. We don't know for sure do we? He still refuses to release his records from Occidental. Isn't that right? Must be trying to figure out a way to purge the parts about him having being born in Kenya, and then growing up as an Indonesian citizen with an Indonesian passport. I wonder if he had to show some kind of birth certificate to the registrar at Occidental when he was admitted there as a student. Do you think there might be a photocopy of it in their files there? I think I had to produce a birth certificate when I entered the university that I went to. I think they placed it in a file cabinet somewhere and it is probably still there somewhere. Interesting huh?


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

See, that's where you're wrong, Brokewind.

We don't “just” rely on ad hominem attacks. You just don't pay attention to the posts where we cite law and facts to you. You know, all that stuff about there's no evidence that the COLB is fake, or the stuff about what Dr. Fukino confirmed, or the stuff about how U.S. citizenship law actually works in reality.

And you're the last person who has any room to bitch about ad hominem attacks. Need me to show you your “Post 3″ again?


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

Why are you capitalizing “White?” Got a little inferiority complex to go along with your paranoia, Brokewind?

I don't know how many students of any particular race have received the Wright scholarship. I was the first recipient ever and I'm not the jealous type, so I don't exactly call the USC Law Center and ask who else they've been interested in since I left.

I didn't apply for the Wright scholarship. USC just offered it to me when they found out that I might go to Boalt or U of Chicago. And, of course, the Wright scholarship is not government funded. USC is a private school.

Not sure if you know this, Brokewind, but the National Merit Scholarship is available to white students, too. Just like every other scholarship I got in college. You just have to be smart.

Which is probably why you don't know anything about scholarships. Or college.

You know what's neat about college? People can't just call up and ask to look through your file. Even if you're not the President. Even if you're just some guy who lies about what race he is, what race his wife is, whether his wife is dead, whether he's a “Mormon Doofus,” whether he served in the military, whether he posts at a white nationalist website, and whether he knows jack shit about the English language.

So you go on speculating about Occidental and what may or may not be lurking in their files.

It's gotta be better than your attempts to misuse the word “infer” and then get all fussy about being proven wrong.

Or your attempt to disguise your jealousy about my scholarships. I recognize that 23,000 a year sounds expensive to you. But you should understand that, with tuition increases, the value of the Wright scholarship was actually 24,000 in my second year and 26,000 in my last year.

And you should also recognize that I turned down many scholarships from other schools when it was time to go to college. So some deserving white kid probably got to eat my leftovers. Buck up. Your people are still doing fine. Who knows, the next President may even be white. You never can tell.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

“I doubt that B.O. is an antisemite…”

Even though you occasionally write lucid things in the beginning of your sentences, you always fuck it up by continuing to write.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

When a federal official has seen and handled the “COLB”, had it analyzed by document experts and proclaimed to the American public that it is without a doubt, a genuine document, then I might start believing that myself. But there is still the question as to whether or not the original is going to state that there were witnesses to his birth or that nobody witnessed it except mom or granny and he was given a certificate based solely on that testimonial statement. Even with Hawaiian birth, he still doesn't meet the natural-born requirement and has even admitted that he had British/Kenyan citizenship at birth. And then there is the question of whether or not he was once naturalized as an Indonesian citizen and retained it after his 18th birthday (whenever that was).

As far as “Post 3″ goes, I think I posted that after about a dozen post from you to me or from you and several others on the Obama side of the issue, all of which began and ended with insults and derisive language. I'm sure you will correct me on that though. I'm not going to proof this. If I made a typo or misplaced punctuation or whatever else, please free to point it out. Since you probably won't want to tell us about Obama's original birth records. You know, Fukino this and Fukino that etc etc. Oh well, have a great Labour (UK spelling) Day. I've got imaginary yard work to do with my imaginary half-Black wife and my imaginary baboon.

Oh and you didn't answer my question about the plural of “doofus”. Is it like fungus and fungi? Is it like mouse and mice? Doofice or doofi? It can't be doofuses though. Or can it? Was it in that posting from, what was it, Webster's or something? 1960? Is fanfuckingtastic in there as well?


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

I just remembered how pissed off Tuci78 used to get at being “quoted out of context.” Of course, he wasn't ever quoted out of context. Just quoted.

But still. I laughed. And while I was laughing, I thought of Randwulf/Roguewind/Brokewind and his decision to re-post one of my responses to his absurdity at the top of the thread just now.

But he didn't show you what I was responding to. Here it is. But as you read it, bear in mind that the guy is opposed to ad hominem attacks. Forget for the moment that he posts nothing but ad hominem attacks, and that I have occasionally amused myself by re-posting them in compiled form.

Anyway, here's the little cage-rattler in his own hysterical words, after he got slapped with a little Strunk & White:

“So what the fuck ever? Make a point! Stop your ad hominem-num bullshit and make a fucking point! It is fucking tiresome at this point. Infer and imply are fucking synonymous. Get fucking over it. At times, people make typo mistakes. Get fucking over it. Speaking, writing, signing? What the fuck ever? Get fucking over it. You want to use your fucking ad hominem-num attack every fucking time you answer a posting? What fucking ever? YOU are the IDIOT here.

YOU can't give a believable excuse for the emperor being naked. That is the fact that everyone sees. Craptacular? Is that in one of your EBONICS dictionaries? The official Simpsons dictionary maybe? Are these your linguistic standard references now? Geeeezzz! Well Spellcheck just informed me that you are an illiterate for using the term. Fuck the Simpsons! Fuck you! Fuck your usurper! All will be settled. Soon. Oh, and fuck your version of “English”! It creates a vacuum. Any typos?” –Randwulf/Roguewind/Brokewind

I think “Fuck the Simpsons! Fuck you! Fuck your usurper!” would have been classic, except for one thing.

No, I'm not complaining about his potty-mouth. I'm not Tuci78 and my delicate sensibilities are not offended. I am instead complaining about his decision to follow that up with the sniffling “All will be settled. Soon.” nonsense. If only he had stayed defiant and proud. But no. His upper lip quivered and his voice caught in his throat. Gave the whole thing away.

“You just wait till my big sister gets here. Then you'll be sorry you picked on me. [wipes runny nose with shirt sleeve, continues talking...] You're all gonna get what's coming to you.”

I never told you people that Roguewind was intelligent, or brave. But he's somebody's child. And that somebody should spank their child for being so fucking dumb.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

Too many errors in here, Roguewind.

No one cares what you believe, first of all. Didn't you see A Few Good Men?

“It's not what I know, it's what I can prove!” Come on, Tom Cruise said that. You must remember. So go on fantasizing that the COLB is fake. We'll, um, pretend to wait for you.

“But there is still the question as to whether or not the original is going to state that there were witnesses to his birth or that nobody witnessed it except mom or granny and he was given a certificate based solely on that testimonial statement.”

No, there's not that question. Obama's birth certificate was filed 4 days after his birth. If it was a testimonial statement it would have had to have been a delayed certificate. Don't you read the Hawai'ian statutes?

“Even with Hawaiian [sic] birth, he doesn't meet the natural-born requirement…”

Dear God. We're back to that again? Yes, he does. A person born in the U.S. is a natural-born citizen. That's why everyone else on your side keeps praying that another Kenyan birf sirtifikat turns up. If they admit he's Hawai'ian by birth, the game is over.

“and has even admitted that he had British/Kenyan citizenship at birth.”

Sure. And the relevance of that is what, exactly? Dual citizenship at birth isn't something that affects your U.S. citizenship in any way, shape or form. The world knew he had dual citizenship before the world knew who Jeremiah Wright was, kiddo. And yet Hillary Clinton never argued about it in any of the 21 debates the Democrats had, and John McCain said “Joe the Plumber” 17 times in the last debate but never mentioned dual citizenship.

Why is that? Oh yeah. Because dual citizenship is irrelevant.

“And then there is the question of whether or not he was once naturalized as an Indonesian citizen and retained it after his 18th birthday (whenever that was).”

No, there is no such question. If he was naturalized as an Indonesian citizen, there would be a record. It would have to be in writing. And he would have to renounce his U.S. citizenship, also in writing, in a special proceeding with the U.S. Ambassador. It would have been a big deal. All you have is wishful thinking, and not very sound thinking at that.

By the way, his 18th birthday would have been 18 years after he was born. I know you're not real swift. But start at August 4, 1961 and count 18 years. That's gonna be sometime around August 4, 1979.

“As far as 'Post 3' goes, I think I posted that after about a dozen post from you to me or from you and several others on the Obama side of the issue, all of which began and ended with insults and derisive language. I'm sure you will correct me on that though.”

You're right about one thing. I'm going to correct you. Because you're lying again.

No, your Post 3 was not directed to me. It was to a female poster. And it was your first post responding to her. She made a rational point and did not insult anyone.

“I'm not going to proof this.”

Sure, why start proofreading now, after weeks of rib-tickling idiocy has gone out the door with your name on it? Or did you mean to write “prove” instead of “proof?” Either way, why start now?

Oh man, so your baboon is imaginary too? Where'd you get the avatar? And your cool prom date picture, you know the one where she's giving you the finger? Oh wait, that avatar isn't a baboon. It's an orangutan. Sorry, I don't know primates as well as you do. Kinda like you feel about black people, primates “all look alike to me.”

Oh but I did in fact respond to your idiocy about the plural of doofuses. It's “doofuses.” Like I told you. You must not have read that post. Here's the part you need, from Merriam-Webster's:

“doofus
One entry found.

* Main Entry: doo·fus
* Pronunciation: ?dü-f?s, -fis
* Function: noun
* Inflected Form(s): plural doo·fus·es -f?-siz
* Etymology: perhaps alteration of 1goof
* Date: 1960

slang : a stupid, incompetent, or foolish person”

Did you catch that? Plural of doofus is doofuses. And this word has existed since 1960. You were just starting your study of English back then, right? I guess you overlooked it. No matter, you know now. Right? Oh fuck. Never mind. You were looking at monkeyporn again. Sigh.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

Tell the truth Stevie. You're gay. Aren't ya?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

“No, there is no such question. If he was naturalized as an Indonesian citizen, there would be a record. It would have to be in writing. And he would have to renounce his U.S. citizenship, also in writing, in a special proceeding with the U.S. Ambassador.'

So exactly where would the records of BHO's comings and goings from Hawaii and Indonesia be kept? I'm assuming you don't just walk past immigration on either end and say “Hey man! Wassup? Hi five!” and then go on your merry way. Why is it that nobody in the MSM has ever looked at these travels between Indonesia and Hawaii in his younger years? What kind of passport was he using. And how is it that John O.Brennan was the man in charge of passport file security during the break-ins in January and March of 2008 when Obama's passport files were accessed, and is now serving in the Obama administration as an assistant to the president on terrorism and counterterrism?

What does Brennan know about what was in Obama's passport file? What was changed in that file? What damning information was purged from it?

So tell us all about John O. Brennan.

Your mother is here. She sends her love.

http://www.lolrandom.com/images/funny/the_finge…


Adam
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Hey, y'all–this is still in the news:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0909…

And HOW much is this all costing?


Adam
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

I think I'll call you 'Brokeback', since you like male atheletes.

It's amusing to hear Obamamaniacs complain about 'nutty conspiracytheorists', when their Dear Leader hired a 'truther'. Now Van the Man is out…the first member of B.O.'s team to resign over something other than tax evasion.


Adam
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

I don't get the “saying he has purple lips is RACIST!” thing. My very caucasian (Slavic/Ashkenazi-extraction) grandfather had purple lips, before succumbing to congestive heart failiure. Seriously, folks–B.O. admitted to using blow (which causes long-term heart damage) in his 'Barry' days, as well as still smoking like a chimney. That and his “57 states” moments should be cause for concern (TIAs?). When that old fart McCain ran for office, he provided detailed medical records. Not Obama.

You can best understand “Muslim goings-on” by looking at the results of what the Qur'an-thumpers have been up to: flogging women for wearing pants, buggering little boys ('man-boy thursdays' in Afghanistan), making women wear bags on their heads, honor-killing girls (even in the USA), murdering religious minorities and plotting to kill us (murdering thousands on 9/11 and 7/7). Also, actually give the Qur'an a read (then use it to wrap bacon). Aayan Hirsi Ali is worth a read/listen. The Dutch gave her the boot, after her un-PC statements. (Like other Western countries, Holland depends on importing fecund foreigners to keep their real estate bubble inflated.)

Today, Britain threw the book at three Qur'an-fuqers for plotting to blow up passenger planes. It's safe to keep your shoes on, now.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

I'm just trying to keep my spirits up Stephen. When something gets me down, like the Van Jones resignation, i know i can direct you to a new or old target. The resulting mayhem and pig-skinning always helps bring me out of my funk.

President Obama's speech today was a refreshing tonic for the masses. It's good to see some fire again in his rhetoric. I hope he continues to use his gift to move the agenda forward, that's the reason we hired him.

I think the altitude here gives me a clearer view or maybe its all the LSD i took in the 60's.

I can see the trailer now for the NGE special, When Moles Attack, The Cosmic I Is Watching.

P.S. I spotted Ken on another thread recently. Maybe we can get him back for future search and destroy missions.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:06 am

Okay, I think I see the problem, Brokewind.

You apparently have some questions. Quite a few questions in there. But no proof of anything. Just a lot of questions.

That's too bad.

Because what you need are answers.

You know, you need answers so that you can back up your absurd claims. They're your claims, after all. If they are based on nothing but your pathetic, transparent, sore-loser racist frustration, then what good are they?

So you have to have some evidence, and not just inept speculation, to support the accusations you sling and the hypothetical scenarios you weave.

Otherwise, the world will ignore you when it gets bored of mocking you. You will end up sitting in some bar and asking questions of the guy sitting next to you, while Obama continues to be President.

And the guy sitting next to you will want to ask you questions. He'll want to know about the monkey you came in with, and why she's wearing lipstick, and why she's sitting on the other side of you, and why she's drinking like she has done something she really wants to forget.

“Thanks but no thanks” for that link you posted. It has “funny” written in the link, so I know I don't need to look at it. Your sense of humor isn't funny. It's racist.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:20 am

See, Bruce, the issue here is not about getting some low-level member of the Administration to resign. Presidents jettison people who bring them unwanted attention and often quietly bring them back. Samantha Powers and Alan Goolsby come to mind.

The issue is that you birthers aren't getting any closer to getting Obama out of the Oval Office. Everything else written on this thread is a diversion from that issue. I admit that I occasionally divert myself from that issue into a related discussion of how stupid you and your fellow birthers are for promoting that issue.

Are you sure you want to go with “Brokeback?” Of course YOU would think of that name, Mister “college football is gay and that's why I like musicals.”

If you're willing to take constructive criticism, and even if you aren't, Brokeback is too obviously either a moniker for you or for Randwulf. I don't want to insult his fake wives' and real primates' femininity or I'd have called him that a long time ago.

But I don't care what you or anyone else calls me.

You should call me or some other non-birther soon, so that you can be taught not to write things like “atheletes.”

I'm going to go out on a limb here…

Your feigned disdain for college football + Your obsession with the physical appearance of male football players + Your love of Phantom of the Opera and musicals + Your unfamiliarity with how to spell “athletes” = You were in drama club in high school

You are the one who brought up and keeps talking about male athletes. I was discussing college football. That makes sense, since you are attracted to men and I am not.

Oh, and your “something other than tax evasion” didn't get any laughs on the other thread where you posted it, either.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Hey, that's another great question for you to answer, Bruce. How much IS it costing Obama to get the frivolous birther suits dismissed at the outset of litigation for lack of standing?

And how many attorneys are working for Obama pro bono, as with the attorney who, on Obama's behalf, opposed Alan Keyes's challenge to the California election result?

Well, good questions, anyway. Get cracking on those answers.

We know we need answers because there's not much out there to support the notion that Obama is spending big bucks to defend himself. Inf fact there's nothing to support that notion.

Remember the Politico article? March 2009? You must remember. You just cited us to Politico. Here's an excerpt. Try not to get hung up on the part where conservatives are spitting bile at birthers:

“The White House is, presently, ignoring the birth certificate questions, having released an official copy of the Hawaii certificate during the presidential campaign. The press aide once tasked with quashing viral rumors, Ben LaBolt, no longer follows the fringe. But lawyers for the Democratic National Committee and for Obama have been steadily batting down a stream of lawsuits, winning motions to dismiss the suits in courts from Pennsylvania to Hawaii, from the state level to the United States Supreme Court.

To believers, the legal engagement itself is evidence that something's afoot.

'[Obama] is spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars to keep this information from getting out,' said Gary Kreep, the lawyer representing former presidential candidate Alan Keyes, who sued Obama in California to prevent the state from certifying its election results.

Keyes recently called the citizenship issue 'the greatest crisis this nation has ever seen' and warned of 'chaos, confusion and civil war.'

Kreep has been battling Obama's California lawyer, Fredric Woocher, to release the president's records from Occidental College on the theory that they might provide information about his citizenship.

Woocher has threatened to seek sanctions against Kreep for pursuing the case.

'This suit, like all of the others that have been filed challenging Obama's qualifications for the Presidency, is frivolous,' he said in an email to POLITICO, adding that he is, in fact, working pro bono. 'There is absolutely no truth to the stories about the untold millions supposedly being paid to us,' he said.

Most of the lawsuits seek documents and express dissatisfaction with the State of Hawaii's refusal to release for public inspection Obama's original birth certificate rather than the notarized copy typically issued. The state's governor, Linda Lingle, has attested to the authenticity of the birth certificate, and Hawaii law forbids its release; Kreep blamed Democratic control of Hawaii for the refusal to release it. (Lingle is a Republican.)

The suits share a vague, underlying notion that Obama must be some sort of foreigner, probably Kenyan, Indonesian or British, though none have any evidence or a coherent narrative to support the claim. Some argue that while Obama was born in the United States, the fact that his father was a British subject should rule him out – an interpretation that may also, inconveniently, have made President Chester Arthur ineligible to serve, and which goes against long-settled law that American citizenship is conferred by birth in the United States. Others imagine that Obama was smuggled into the country as an infant, a claim contradicted by state records and contemporaneous birth announcements in two Honolulu papers.

The movement has also faced internal divisions. Kreep, a well-known conservative litigator, expressed some discomfort with his main East Coast counterpart, Phil Berg, a former Pennsylvania prosecutor who has also sued President George W. Bush to claim that he was complicit in the September 11 attacks.

“I don't ascribe to all his theories about 9/11 and all that,” Kreep said of Berg.

The movement has its occasional moments in the sun. When Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media hinted darkly at citizenship questions at the Conservative Political Action Conference, he was loudly applauded, and the clip of his speech circulated with equal speed among birth certificate theorists and liberal activists.

David Emery, an expert on urban legends who writes for About.com, said the citizenship rumor has been fueled by an unusually “deep well of revulsion toward Barack Obama himself, and rage.”

“Thanks to the relentless agitation of the conspiracy theorists and the sheer quantity of hypothetical scenarios and legal arguments floating around, they've clearly succeeded in planting unreasonable doubts in reasonable people's minds,” he said.

But, ignored by the left and the mainstream media and dismissed by the courts, the citizenshp movement find its bitterest disappointments coming from the right.

“Untold numbers of people have asked us to look into it,” said Tom Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch, which recently sued to block Hillary Clinton, on technical grounds connected to her Senate seat, from taking the position of secretary of state.

“When we sued over Hillary ineligibility there were a lot of folks saying, 'Why weren't you suing over Obama's ineligibility?'” he said..

Fitton said he hadn't “seen any credible evidence Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen eligible for the presidency.”

“If people understood better what the law is, I don't think they'd be as concerned as they are,” he said.

Others have been less polite. Conservative bloggers regularly mock the “Birthers,” as they're dismissively known, just as liberal blogs like DailyKos purged the 9/11 “Truthers” from their ranks in the Bush years.

The conspiracy theorists are “embarrassing and destructive” the conservative activist David Horowitz wrote recently.

Even Kreep, who was the toast of the conservative movement for representing the anti-immigration Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, has found the work a bit thankless.

“They say, 'Get a life,'” he said of his fellow conservatives,” he said.

Meanwhile, the Birthers' persistence has prompted another, competing conspiracy theory on the right.

“I'm not a conspiracist, but this could be a very big conspiracy to make conservatives disgrace themselves,” Medved said.”

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=BF5…

Hey, Bruce, did you get all that?

Did you see the part where Politico reported that “The state's governor, Linda Lingle, has attested to the authenticity of the birth certificate, and Hawaii law forbids its release?” If you see Randwulf, could you let him know those things? I've been meaning to get back to him on those two things and it would save me the effort.

Thanks.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Actually, I email back and forth with Ken, when he's not at work on his missions elsewhere. We could use him around here. I think he'd get a kick out of Adam but he's already bored of Randwulf.

Don't let the Van Jones resignation get you down. Obama is a politician and he doesn't want distraction. He cuts sharply, but cleanly and quickly. He did use the line about a scalpel instead of a hatchet during the debates, after all.

Samantha Powers got fired but then quietly rehired, same as Goolsby. Obama will still benefit from their knowledge and he won't have that issue as a distraction as we try to get health care reform.

You'd be a good mole. Except that in all the carnage, you always come away unscathed. I think I remember Ethan Hunt learning that little lesson when he was the sole survivor in a mole-hunt in Mission Impossible.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 12:56 am

No, Brokewind. You're thinking of Adam, who I call Bruce.

I'm not gay. I'm just smarter than you are. That doesn't make me gay. Otherwise the human species would have sashayed its way to extinction right around the time you began studying English a half century ago.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 1:00 am

You know who HAD detailed medical records? John McCain. Not Obama.

And what did McCain allow? He let a few people sit in a room without access to a copier and look at his 700 page medical history without taking anything out with them. But he gave them three hours, I think.

So it was an open book test on skin cancer where you've never been to class before and you've never seen the book. Hope you know where to look!

Speaking of knowing where to look, I hope you don't waste much time writing that Muslim-bashing nonsense. No one looks at it.


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:11 am

$12.00, for a photocopy of BHO Jr's paper record (which, according to HI officials, is still on file)–reviewed publically by Congress and/or the Senate–is what it would cost. Contrary to what you think, B.O. does have a moral obligation to prove his eligibility…if not a legal one. And he has NOT done this (JPEGs of a COLB with the number redacted and an old birth anouncement with the wrong address don't count).

God forbid The One turns out to be ineligible. There won't be civil war, but the mother of all mass litigations: EVERY contract, from stimulus billions down to office supplies at the White House, will be open for renegotiation. THAT'll trigger a depression.

The 'birther bill' would at least have prevented this drama in the first place. And again, if you want to give me a gay-sounding pseudonym, make it 'Hollywood'. :p


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 3:35 am

You may be manlier than me, but I'm less gay! :p (I base that assumption on the fact that you'd rather watch men pile atop one another, than Emmy Rossum's heaving cleavage and full, ruby lips.)

You have to admit that B.O. has beaten the record for tax-cheating appointees. To paraphrase somebody's line, Dubya set the bar real low and Obama limboed right under it.

Obama deserves to get clobbered by the right-wing press for no other reason than that the mainstream press won't run a shred of negative coverage of him. That bow to Abdullah only ran on Youtube. The Obama Administration's attempt to allow the admissability of evidence from interrogations without legal council never got a mention. The scarier aspects of B.O.'s healthplan–like allowing social workers to conduct warrantless 'checkups' on parents–wasn't covered, either. There's the Food Safety legislation (thanks, Monsanto). There's the Internet Security legislation (allowing the Prez to shut down the internet by fiat). There's the made-up figures about 'assault weapons' smuggled into Mexico. There was the staggeringly boneheaded Air Force One flyover of NY, NY (which Obama HAD to have known about and okayed). The stuningly retarded comments (can they stop recycling old Dubya jokes and make a few “am I in Ottawa, or Iowa?” ones?) from Mr Teleprompter. How about the press ignoring the incidents where Obama's public service union goon squads beat the crap out of anti-Obama folks at those healthcare town halls? And on, and on…

After that stupid National Guard letter fraud smear against Dubya (couldn't've they just bought an old Underhill at a garage sale, to type it on?), the mainstream media pissed away any claims of impartiality. With their slobbering Obama coverage (Chris Matthews getting a chill in his weenie, or whatever, from hearing B.O. “um” and “uh” his way through speeches), the media have shat upon it, too.


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:32 am

Aayan Hirsin Ali on Islam:

http://www.guernicamag.com/interviews/283/infidel/

She was a Muslim and dumped the religion, so she must know of what she speaks. Note, also, that the penalty for apostasy under Shari'a is DEATH, which puts Obama in a rather precarious position with those nice Muslims he's sucking up to. (Obama claims to be a Christian, though I think he's a Scientologist.)

The Republicans were idiots when they picked McCain: an old fart with a shakey medical history and dubious eligibility.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:30 am

Stephen, Dr B is back on the Climate Change Skeptics thread claiming to be a nuclear power expert. I gave him a lecture on a subject that i do have some knowledge and experience with. It won't do any good but i feel better.


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Morebama:

http://www.ukiahdailyjournal.com/ci_13290904

Another member of the U.S. forces is refusing to deploy, pending the disclosure of B.O.'s birth records. I wonder if the Army'll give hime a Stay Out Of Iraq Free Card, like the last guy?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Wonder what Judge Carter will do with this. Do you think he will at least have the guts to allow discovery?

http://www.rightsidenews.com/200909056324/edito…


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Not a Chance. Orly and her dupes have no standing.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

The “other guy” was a volunteer who “Un-Volunteered.” This one is disobeying a direct order.

My guess is that she will be asked to resign her commission and repay any training costs.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Oh, and that “Kenyan BC?” it's a bigger fake than the last one.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

Does anyone in the United States have standing?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

Yes, but isn't it interesting to note that someone actually signed an affidavit that this one was obtained exactly the way he claims, knowing that if the court finds his claims to be fraudulent, he could go to jail for attempting to defraud a federal court with a signed false statement? Perjury? Isn't that what they call it? The judge might proceed just to see if this witness is being truthful or not. It could get really interesting. And then, there is always the footprint. If it is a lie, all Obama has to do is put his best foot forward. So to speak. That is the quickest way to prove it a fraud. Or not.


Adam
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

The best thing for B.O. to do, if he wants this to go away for good, is fly over to his old hometown and get his mom's records from Kapi'olani. He could even make a nice photo-op for his health plan.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:06 am

Congress did, but they didn't act on it.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:09 am

As I understand it, Orly filed a photocopy of the affidavit, not the affidavit itself, thus it has no legal validity and Smith has no real risk. Kind of sneaky of Orly, I have to give her credit. All she is doing with it is trying to force a discovery motion.


Antibirther
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:14 am

Even better would be for him to get an official legal government source to certify, that he was born in Hawaii.

Oh, wait. . . he did that.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:44 am

Yes, that is exactly right. They didn't. Much to their eternal ineptitude, cowardice and shame. But my question is this. What citizen or class of citizens in the United States would, in your esteemed opinion, HAVE STANDING in any case concerning Obama's POTUS eligibility question?


Randwulf
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:49 am

As you understand it? Do you know that the affidavit is not actually signed by the person making the statements? Why would she think she could submit a unsigned document as an affidavit? You're just blowing smoke. I think Judge Carter will go forward with this to discovery. This witness is stating under pain of perjury that he obtained this certified copy. He must be aware that to sign such a statement could put him in jail if not it is not true. Why would he do that?


JimPA
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 11:49 am

I've been away, without access to the internet for a while. I've been catching up on the threads of this website. I'll preface this with Stephen is a friend. It seems to me Stephen has been in a park playing chess with 3 or 4 guys at the same time and doing well. Pretty interesting stuff.

Randy, you proved Stephen is a lawyer who attended USC's Law Center on a full-tuition academic scholarship. He was someone, not of financial means who used his intelligences and discipline to better himself. If you think you diminished Stephen in any way, you are sadly mistaken. If anything you've strengthen the perception of Stephen's character. I have more respect for Stephen after your posts. I'll probably buy the team leader a diet Coke from the vending machine overlooking Grant Park.

Adam – The good news is only five people read these posts. The bad news is your posts seemed pretty gay to me. (Not that there is anything wrong with that). “Phantom of the Opera” instead of football, then you keep pointing out someone is gay when that isn't part of the conversation? Open the closet door. See Ted Haggard for more information.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 2:39 am

WB Jim, How was the fishing or hunting? Stephen is still hammering the birther-moles but i have been pointing him in new directions. Tuci is a nuclear energy expert now and there are other more interesting threads to post on.

PBHO's speech tonight was right on and Wilsons “lie” outburst should keep the threads humming. The other repubs with their little signs and bills in hand made them look like stupid angry children, oh right that's what they are.

Stephen is calling Adam, Bruce, but i think we should call him Eve.


JimPA
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:31 am

Thanks for the update Pete. I watched the President's address and agree it was right on. See you in the threads.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

The only people who would likely have standing to sue on this issue would be opponents who are running against the plaintiff; in this case, that would've been all of the democrats in the primary, all of which passed on the issue, or McCain in the general election, who also passed on the issue.

The McCain campaign actually investigated the rumors and found nothing there, which is why they never filed a lawsuit. They knew there was no merit to the claims, and they would have been laughed out of court. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


Randwulf
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

Or they feared that they would immediately be labeled as “racists” for even asking the question. Or that they would have been seen as desperate, grasping at straws and picking on Obama at a personal level. I believe they should have gone for it anyway. At the very least, it would have halted all further proceedings with the Electoral College votes being counted until such time as complete and original documentation could be produced to verify Obama's eligibility. But then, there would have been a nation wide Rodney King style race riot over the proceedings. I guess McCain just didn't want to win that way and cause all of that to happen. At this point, I don't think that even the “anti-birthers” really believe that Obama was actually born in Hawaii. And I know Robert Gibbs doesn't believe it. And also, I think every tax paying citizen has standing.


Adam
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

I probably am a BIT gay…just not AS gay as Steve-O. :p

The Taitz case is now in the courts–the first of its kind to make it this far. We'll see, eventually, where this leads.

I, for one, hope Obama WAS born in Hawai'i, since the poopstorm that would result if he isn't eligible makes me queasy to think about. However, asking the question shouldn't lead to “nutty racist tinfoil-hat!” attacks. Obama is no god: just another corporate-funded politician. As I harp about often, B.O.'s media-telecom financial supporters won't say anything negative about him, and I accept that. However, people on the left, outside of the corporate news world, have been shamefully nice to The One.


Adam
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

I have a lot of critical things to say about B.O., but accusing him of being part of the illegal alien mess isn't one of them. The Republicans–chief among them, Dubya–must accept their share of the blame for the America's absurd immigration system. If people who are illegally in the country are promptly removed (and employers, churches and other groups who are complicit in harboring them severely punished), there WON'T be illegals using resources meant for U.S. citizens. Calling B.O. a 'liar' was really just a stupid, undignified attack.

My mother called me 'Adam', because it just means 'man' in Hebrew ('Ev'='woman'). Thank God she never went with some of the other, more…creative names she'd entertained.


Steve_X
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

You mean well, but time and again you fail to see the bigger picture. If McCain and Clinton were to have raised this as an issue, they would have been seen as desperate and as grabbing at straws.

They would have been seen that way because there is no evidence at all that Obama was born anywhere but Honolulu, Hawaii. The McCain campaign investigated this and found that there was nothing to investigate because Barack Obama is a natural born citizen. You underestimate how nasty elections are, and it would have been nothing for either of those two campaigns, or for any of the other Democrats in the primaries to, “leak” that bit of information to the press.

The only “evidence” that has been produced thus far are fake “Kenyan” birth certificates and a sketchy, unreliable, discredited deposition from a “step-grandmother” that he was born in Kenya (not that the deposition would ever be allowed at trial, but that's neither here nor there). The only thing the birthers have to go on at this point is best described as mere suspicion. Mere suspicion isn't even good enough for an officer to stop and frisk you on the street; forget about using it to reverse a legitimate election.

As to your other point about imaginary “race riots,” that's just unrealistic and racist. Black candidates have campaigned for the presidency before and lost, and there has never been a race riot when a black candidate didn't win a primary. To assume that black folks would automatically resort to race riots doesn't even make any sense and has no basis in fact or reality.

I don't know where you got the bit about halting the Electoral College vote, as that is nowhere in the Constitution. As to your contentions that “anti-birthers” don't believe that he's born in the U.S…well that's just wrong since the majority of Americans don't believe in wild-eyed conspiracy theories. Robert Gibbs, like the rest of us, doesn't believe in wild-eyed conspiracy theories either. He's laughing his ass off at Orly Taitz just like everyone else is because he knows that the birther movement is a complete joke, just like it's leader.

As to taxpayer standing, that's already been settled. The Supreme Court says that taxpayers don't have standing to sue solely on the basis of being taxpayers (minus one exception), so taxpayers don't have standing. End of story.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

Adam/Eve, Why did you have to out yourself? Now we can't have any fun ribbing you about being a closet queen.

I don't understand why someone who seems to possess critical thinking skills doesn't allow PBHO to make mistakes before condemning him. Most of his supporters on these threads are not blind followers.

I am not happy with everything he has done but i think he is doing the best he can with the pile of shit he inherited. I want to see more radical ideas to counter the corporate controlled state we live in. That may be asking too much from a moderate centrist like PBHO.

Do you read any of the news and blogs on HuffPost? About half are critical of him for being to moderate. Even the Talking Heads are constantly jabbering about his failures to move the agenda forward.

President Obama is no god but he is a true leader, something we haven't seen for a long time. I think this frightens a lot of people because a leader can change things. We have been lied to for so long it's difficult for some to trust any politician. Give him a chance and lets see what he can accomplish. If he fails we are all going to suffer.


Adam
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Change is as…okay, no more Gump lines. If B.O. REALLY wanted to 'change' something, he'd join the Republicans, left-wing Democrats and others, in calling for an end to employer-funded healthcare. Whether its conservative/libertarian-style subsidized universal insurance (like the Swiss system), liberal single-payer (the Canadian model), or a socialist, budgeted system (the British NHS and the old Dellums bill), everybody else wants to get employers out of the healthcare 'market'…except for Obama. This is one thing where he could've really built concensus on.

Making employers pay for healthcare simply passes costs onto consumers (i.e., they pay for somebody ELSE'S healthcare) and leaves self-employed and unemployed people uncovered. Why is B.O. clinging to this stupid model? The 'public option' wasn't a bad idea; yet Obama dumped it, but clings to the employer model like a fetish. Worst of all, he won't strip his plan of the things that REALLY freak out people, left to right: the warrantless social worker/CPS 'visits', the expensive and insecure medical records program, &c.

Obama has already fumbled on a few, very serious fronts. Before he was elected, he gave a wishy-washy, 'nuanced' response to the Russian invasion of Georgia (an imperialist power-grab, by Russia's oiligarchy[sic], to prevent the construction of an Azerbaijan-Georgia-Turkey pipeline). He promoted the fiction that U.S. gun shops are somehow to blame for arming narcobandits in Mexico (the gangs guns actually are sourced from government armories, as well as Russian, CHinese and middle-eastern suppliers), alienating rural voters. His embarrasing bow to Saudi despot disgusted people accross the political spectrum. Obama's food safety and internet security legislation scared the living daylights out of his granolla base, as well as fuelling right-wing conspiracy theories. The Van Jones affair, right after the Beer Summit, was plain stupidity: how could Obama hire such an inflammatory and even racist person, without vetting him? So much for being a healer.


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Now you are making me think you are a quasi-frutti socalist. I do agree that a single payer non-profit private or public system would be the best option but that is a pipe dream in this country. Look at the response to the modest proposals offered so far. Are you really for keeping the antiquated paper medical records system we have now?

We have a huge problem with child abuse in this country. Here in NM we have had children murdered by their parents recently. Most were due to lax oversight by CPS. You haven't offered any better solutions to this disgrace either.

The best analysis i've read on the US system was at the Atlantic.com written by David Goldhill, How American Health Care Killed My Father.

There are more gun shops on the US Mexico border than McDonalds in the world. The majority of confiscated weapons in Mexico have been traced back to these shops. Until recently moving weapons south across the border was easy. The US is trying to stop the flow at the request of Mexico. I live in NM and know that it is impossible to stop the flow of drugs or weapons across the border. There is too much money involved and corruption is rampant on both sides. Libertarians have one idea that i support, legalizing drugs, another pipe dream because of the money on both sides of the drug war.

Calling Van Jones or other outspoken minorities racist is a cop-out. We live in a country that has institutional racism and classism and usury embedded in it's structure. If anyone speaks out against the abuse they are labeled by the real proven racist-classist as the problem, this attitude is bullshit and you know it.

You need to organize your rants better, you are freaking disorganized and difficult to respond to.


Adam
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:43 am

The firearms used by Mexican gangs originated from the U.S., were bought by Mexican police and military (in some cases, with U.S. financial assistance) and either stolen, or diverted to drug gangs. Chinese and other foreign companies such as Norinco also supply developing world gangs and militias, including Mexico, with weapons (AK-47 knockoffs, RPGs, and so forth). The alarming stats thrown about by some Democrats, including Obama's Administration, are fictions designed to further their agenda. Here's one story:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth…

Legalization of drugs, including hard drugs has some things to recommend it. However, nobody should delude themselves into thinking that it'll end the careers of gangsters. Organised crime has many other markets: human trafficking, weapons smuggling, organ theft, card and ATM skimming, phone fraud, counterfeit phamaceuticals and other products, &c. For now, though, the best thing anyone can do to 'take a bite out of (drug) crime' is boycott illegal drugs–including marijuana.

Eliminating employers from the health insurance equation is something that would win favor accross the political spectrum. I can't fathom why Obama clings to this model. Eliminating risk-rating and toughjer claims harrasment laws would be simple reforms that most REpublicans and Democrats would support. More radical things–like a public option, or some form of 'socialised' medicine, could be devolved to States to decide. Yet Obama's Alamo is employer-funded insurance.

I doubt Van the Man is a 'racist'…however, he pandered to racists (and the antisemitic, Protocols of the Elders of Zion-readers in some Islamic and far-left communities). The 9/11 crap of his, in particular, was inexcusable. This finally caught up with him and he has nobody to blame but himself. Obama is to blame for not keeping radical poseurs and tax cheats out of his Administration.


Adam
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:58 am

Sorry…I AM disorganised! :p As for CPS–do YOU want mandatory, unnanounced visits from a social worker? These unelected professional busybodies/public-dole parasites already have frightening powers in our crazy legal system. You want to give them more? This is probably a sop to public servants' unions, who contributed much $ to B.O.'s campaign…and have been beating the crap out of people at the townhall meetings:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…


wayoutwest
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

Adam, Are you still beating your wife and abusing your children? CPS only visits families that have had a history of problems. I didn't abuse my family and didn't worry about CPS breaking down my door. I guess your libertarian principles trump protecting children from abuse.

I do worry about government agencies spying on and infiltrating peaceful anti-war and peace groups for “National Security.” The NY police intelligence operatives infiltrated peace groups in Albuquerque before the '04 election, they also investigated the Quakers , this is something to be concerned about.

Why does your side always play the victim? The people outside that townhall was there to disrupt not discuss. They were banging on the windows and behaving like a mob. I guess this your idea of democracy in action.

These are the same kind of people who carry loaded weapons to President Obama's speeches and talk about, watering the tree of liberty with blood. They are ignorant and don't realise that Jefferson was talking about protecting the government and the constitution from groups like them.

I guess we can't expect much from people who get their, facts, form Faux News.


Adam
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

The B.O. reform to the health system would great;y expand the powers of social workers, in canses where abuse/neglect wasnt, in fact, reported:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/…

The actual legislation (see p.838):

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAH…

If snooping on low-income families isn't classist, than I don't know what is. B.O. seems to be following the Australian Liberal Party MO here, when they harrassed ABorigional communities with social workers and warrantless searches. looking for 'abuse'.

AS for the Town Halls, Obama seems to've taken a page from mentor Richard Mobster Daley's political playbook.

You can laugh at 'Faux News'…or even New York Times (involved in a few made-up news stories, censored ACORN-gate), but the fact remains that even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.

The Second Amendment is a 'reset button' on an authoritarian government. Obama has never liked guns in the hands of civilians (just in the posession of the Secret Service teams guarding his butt). His “keep the guns out of cities” rhetoric, plus protege status to Gun Control thug Daley, have made the NRA crowd twitchy. BTW, in the Daley fiefdom of Chigago, SPRAY PAINT is also illegal for 'civillians' to own. I guess we know what kind of future awaits…


stephenperry
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. Like my good friend Jim, I've been away from the internet for a while because I've been busy moving. I'm back now. Are you birthers SERIOUSLY still pushing the “Obama's not a natural born citizen” thing? Shouldn't you accept reality by now? Can't you just try to argue that his Presidential decisions are incorrect? At least there you could get involved in a debate.

I will read through the threads and see what there is of interest. I already know Adam is a Phantom-of-the-Opera-loving swisher. That's not news.


stephenperry
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Jim. Come on. I'm not Adam. Why would I want a Diet Coke? Sheesh. Why not just make it a Tab? Or a Zima? I'm enjoying a Sierra Nevada and NOT enjoying the 10-10 tie between my Trojans and the Huskies at the moment. It's halftime and I expect our backup quarterback to grow a pair before the third quarter begins….

Good luck getting Bruce-Adam to come out of the closet. Anything new happen in the health care threads?


stephenperry
Comment posted September 19, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Question, Bruce: Is “a BIT gay” anything like “a little bit pregnant?” I don't think that any of the four of us who read these threads have had any question about your homosexuality. Be proud. Come all the way out of the closet. Your fellow homosexuals will tell you that there's no shame in being who you are. The only shame is in denying the obvious.

Of course, denying the obvious is what being a birther is all about.


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The birfers are getting dumber by the day and I have to say that I don't appreciate it one bit. If the collective birfer I.Q. continues to drop like this, it will actually become impossible to make fun of them, because any insult to their intelligence would end up being a compliment.


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