‘Death Panel’ Myth Creator Betsy McCaughey Resigns From Medical Board

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Friday, August 21, 2009 at 4:13 pm

Betsy McCaughey — an outspoken proponent of the myth that Democrats’ health care reform proposals will lead to the creation of “death panels,” as well as a former lieutenant governor of New York and adjunct fellow at the Hudson Institute — has stepped down from her position as a director of Cantel Medical Corp., which bills itself as a “leading provider of infection prevention and control products in the healthcare market.”

From a press release:

CANTEL MEDICAL CORP. (NYSE: CMNNews) announced that on August 20, 2009 it received a letter of resignation from Ms. Elizabeth McCaughey as a director of the Company. Ms. McCaughey, who had served as a director since 2005, stated that she was resigning to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest during the national debate over healthcare reform.

McCaughey found herself the subject of widespread ridicule after an appearance on “The Daily Show” Thursday, during which host Jon Stewart aggressively challenged her positions on health care reform.

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riffle
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

If their infection-control products are as fact-based as McCaughey's arguments, I would wager that Cantel Medical Corp sells, at high prices, human fecal matter for rubbing into open wounds


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geronl
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

You shoud see the new “life not worth living” booklet from the Veterans Administration, this is what is coming down for everyone. Did you never hear of the “Complete Lives System” pushed by Ezekial Emmanuel, HealthCare Advisor to the President? Have you never read the proposal by Tom Daschle that a national board should decide what medicines and surgeries should be covered based on economics and not quality care as defined by doctors? You should since it wass in the Stimulus Bill.

You people call yourselves journalists but it is your PR campaign for this WH and for the Democrat Party and leftists causes in general that has destroyed the credibility of journalism.


Dirigo
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

I was appalled by the rank stupidity of Betsy McCaughey on the Jon Stewart Show. She made a total fool of herself. I can't believe she was the director of any company and it is with delight I learned today she has resigned from the company she was affiliated with so she could spend more time looking for page 423. Even more shocking is the fact this bimbo who is so ill informed, unprincipled, unresearched and so venomous was ever a Lieutenant Governor and could find herself on any companys board. Just amazing and it took a comedian to dramatize how foolish this woman was and the lazy unprofessional journalist unable to do diligence in their own trade results in having a comedian expose the lies and the coarseness of people like McCaughey.

Good riddance to her.


winski
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

McCaughey is a liar and a phony.


judithterry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Surely you jest!! I just took a look at the “booklet from the VA” and it is the Advanced Directive for Health Care that is available at every medical facility and law office. It is a document that facilitates YOU to make YOUR OWN end of life decisions in case something happens to you that makes it impossible for you to speak for yourself. It is something you do to help those who may have to make decisions for you. It is YOUR opportunity to accept OR reject tube feeding, life support, etc.

My husband and I just had our clergyperson, family and attorney go through this with us, and it is such a relief to know that our lives won't be extended with artificial means. That is exactly as we wish.

“geronl”, you are not as smart as you pretend to be.

As for the article that Dr. Emmanuel is accused of promoting………that has all been debunked. It is a figment of Rush Limbaugh's and others sick, rotting imagination.

Please do a little checking up on your facts before spewing this junk. It would be appreciated.


Amp
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

You say aggressively challenged, I say exposed her for the liar she is. I think someone once said the greatest disinfectant in the world is sunshine. Smart guy whoever said that, maybe we should put him in charge of something.


Tinare
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

Dear God, that woman is an idiot. Either that or she is a really big ass liar. Maybe a combo of both.

She has a huge future in the Republican party in any case.


fauxpopuli
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

We heard that people were spreading lies about those things, if that's what you mean. Sorta like you're doing here, consciously or otherwise. Like Stewart said in the interview: if any of those things actually existed as you describe them they would be terrible indeed. It's a good thing they don't.

Betsy McCoughey – the person who *singlehandedly* invented this government euthanization nonsense – showed up to an interview on the subject unprepared to demonstrate that the bill actually included such a provision *even though* she brought a printout of the bill with her. That ought to tell you something about where she's really getting her information (ie: her rear end.)


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jimlscotland
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

Betsy McCaughey certainly made a right fool of herself on Jon Stewart's show last night. She could not point to any of her claims in the actually bill that she brought to the show. It was agonizing as Jon Stewart repeatedly told her, and pointed it out in the legislation, “that's not what the legislation says”. She is a terrible spokesperson for the opponents of reform in the health care system. We need to put her under lock and key until something is passed.


Robert
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 12:03 am

“We need to put her under lock and key until something is passed.”

Unfortunately, the damage has already been done, as evident from the zombie hordes screaming “NO DEATH PANELS!” infesting the public sphere.


iriquoi
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Got my “going away” date from the “death panel” group yesterday. December 35, 2012. Thanks Betsy.


EL pinche
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 12:42 am

The librul media is a death panel for the idiots like that tool and Dick Armey.

I guess both of them can now make their own cardboard NOBAMA signs and hit the tea bagger road with the rest of the mindless flabby armed olds. hey, geronl, you can join them. Healthcare will pass regardless. The repugs will lose in the end. werd.


EL pinche
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 12:43 am

“We need to put her under lock and key until something is passed.”

Yeah, lets try gitmo. I hear they're still open for business.


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zzdinko
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:30 am

OMgosh folks enough of this stupid “death panel” nonsense already!

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Raci570
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:40 am

Rachel Maddow just said on her Friday night show on MSNBC that McCaughey was fired from her position on the board. Stewart dimantled her. It was embarassing!!


chuck
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:44 am

Look up the Hudson Institute with which she is affiliated – as well as Ronald Dworkin who penned the screed against health care reform in the Wall Street Journal this week. The Institute is hard-core “free market” – i.e., no regulation, no government interventions, and is extremely biased against disadvantaged Americans.


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rww
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 2:27 am

I'm sorry to have to tell you this but you are a goober


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:08 am

Question: “Outside the medical criteria for prolonging the life of someone who is elderly, is there any consideration that can be given for a certain spirit, a certain joy of living, or quality of life; or is it just a medical cut off at a certain age?”

President Obama: “Yeah, we're not gonna solve every difficult problem in terms of end of life care. A lot of that is going to have to be we as a culture and a society making better decisions within our own families and for ourselves. But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that is not making anybody's mom better that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what, maybe this isn't gonna help. Maybe you're better off not taking the surgery, but taking the painkiller.”

WAKE UP PEOPLE


anonimoose
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:20 am

I'm impressed. Some conservative actually knows how Godwin's Law works and didn't refer to Obama as a Nazi.

Good show.

*golf clap*


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hatelibs
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:43 am

you are a fucking idiot!


sarahlawrence
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:45 am

I agree with Jon Stewart. I don't know how Betsy McCaugey's brain works. I read the same paragraphs she referenced on page 432 of America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 and reached a completely different conclusion. It states that “For purposes of reporting data on quality measures for covered professional services… the Secretary shall include quality measures on end of life care and advanced care planning that have been adopted or endorsed by a consensus-based organization, if appropriate. Such measures shall measure both the creation of and adherence to orders for life sustaining treatment.” The key part of the sentence is “For purposes of reporting data on quality measures…” It states which measures will be included in the report. How could anyone misinterpret this? And how is this a “death panel?” I'm bewildered.


hatelibs
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:46 am

as did your government releasing the heartless killer. who is now hailed as a hero to his terrorist country. Way to go you idiot. Way to represent the scots eh?


hatelibs
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:48 am

AMEN!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID IT'S FRIGHTENING….


Troll_Hunter
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:22 am

Troll be gone!


Chris Ronk
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:30 am

OMFG!!!! how funny. What is the conflict of interest? Cantell doesn't want an idiot as the director of their company?


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midoris
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:44 am

He's still talking about sharing information on options. The fact of the matter is that sometimes you are better off taking the painkiller. Any medical professional will tell you that. It's not the same thing as denying you the surgery.


labman57
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:58 am

How long before she pulls a Palin and plays the poor, maligned martyr by declaring that those evil interlopers in the liberal media caused her to lose her job?

Wait for it… wait for it…


sybilll
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:00 am

You JUST took a look at the booklet from the VA, immediately called your clergy, family, and attorney to formalize everything about end of life issues, everyone showed up at your beck and call, at 7PM on a Friday night, and your wishes were reduced to writing? Jeez, you must have a Jetson ship to have accomplished all of this. And, just because Zeke said his thinking has *evolved*, does not revoke what he said before he was so enlightened.
YOU do a little checking up on your facts, ma'am.


Ryan
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:05 am

What a constructive rebuttal from hatelibs.


TAFFF
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:25 am

Sybilll, are you related to Betsy? Your illogical reading of judithterry's posting makes me think so. judithterry made reference to the fact that she and her husband went through a process of establishing their own advanced directive, presumbably in the recent past (“just had”), not this very evening sometime after 7pm. Therefore, she had experience with the process and understands its value and importance in relationship to her and her husband's wishes for their care should they be in a position where they are unable to speak for themselves. And, after reviewing the booklet cited by geronl, de-bestified his misinterpretation. Similar to what Jon Stewart said last night, don't think I understand your way of thinking at all sybilll??!!


dialectic
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:52 am

I'm sorry, I'm a left-leaning person, and a supporter of Obama's plan (and a person who desperately needs health insurance myself, and can't afford it) but I just watched McCaughey's entire interview on the Daily Show on hulu, and I didn't find her to be either stupid or disingenuous. I was impressed with her fact-based and friendly debate as well as her self-possession and courage in standing up to Stewart in his own territory and in front of an audience that was predisposed to agree with him. I am trying to figure out whether her interpretation of the proposed law makes sense. I don't think it does, but I think it's unfair the way people are demonizing her with personal attacks. She made some interesting points in there (particularly regarding the coming cuts to medicare).


timsomething
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 6:16 am

What do you know? Must've struck a chord. Good work, Dirigo!


timsomething
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 6:19 am

Hey! That's MY termination date, too!


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bobbybox
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:24 am

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LABMAN!?

Do you know what the implications are if Obama is successful with his Health Care reform? IT is disastrous! If you are an American than you should READ the bill and UNDERSTAND what the long-term consequences are.

Instead you are being a nice lefty and choosing sides.

What are you talking about the “evil interlopers in the liberal media cause her to lose her job”?

She RESIGNED! Because she is taking the fight further and she needs to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest in this national debate.

It's funny how you guys perceive this as some kind of defeat on her part… she is turning up the heat and you fail to even perceive that simple act. How can you possibly defend your position when you don't even know what you're talking about?!

Yes liberals were cool when Bush was President, but now we have to watch Obama. He will pull the rug from under our feet if he can manage to take advantage of liberal ignorance.

I used to be liberal but I cannot. This America is turning into a facist state. I am now an independent.


scottklarr
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:43 am

First, “liberal” is not a political party and unless you change your whole worldview, you simply do not stop being a liberal (if you ever were one in the first place). Do you have even a basic understanding of politics? I am also an independent because I find the concept of political parties abhorrent, but I am still liberal in my own ideology.

Second, why do you assume everybody who is for the bill have not read it? If that is what you truly believe than you are as misguided and ignorant as those idiotic townhall dogs who carry around Obama Hitler pictures.


bobbybox
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:11 am

Excuse me, we are talking semantics here if you want to discuss whether “liberal” is a political party or a worldview. It is irrelevant to the discussion and an unnecessary tangent. I am a political science major in New York if you feel it is important to prod my credentials.

Why do you take my response addressed towards and individual and hold me accountable towards “everybody who is for the bill” who haven't read it? This is the kind of crap I am talking about, if you wish, you may engage in these silly ploys and try to run the debate in circles but my post was a response tailored specifically towards the callous ignorance of this liberal.

Do you really think that because you feel that you have thus discredited me that you can call me “misguided” and “ignorant”? It is easy to call people names and ATTEMPT (key term here: ATTEMPT) to discredit but you should not think you have somehow progressed this discussion because it has gone no-where.

What do you have to bring to this discussion? Nothing. It is mind-numbingly annoying that I can read your post and see it having an intellectual value of zero, yet you probably think you have all the answers and are so smart.

Obama's policies are wrong. Just because Bush was wrong doesn't make Obama right. And if you don't believe me, go down this road but try to remember people like me, when you are old and have NOTHING, remember people like me have TRIED to fight for a better future.

You are to blame for your own failures. Remember, you are responsible for your own self. So by the time you try to blame Obama, it will be too late.

-Police states are not built overnight, they are built slowly. Legislation by legislation.


skylights
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:15 am

“additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not going to improve care”

See, there's the key word, “evidence.” Obama and the Democrats want to follow the science on which treatments work and which don't. That's why we're known as the reality-based community, and you aren't. As Colbert so wisely said, “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.”


skylights
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:18 am

no u r nanny nanny plffft


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scottklarr
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:43 am

I, nor the first poster, said anything about rather we support Obama or if we have objections with the bill. You assumed that. You also went on to associate “liberals” as being ignorant, which IS talking about a whole large group of people, not just the first poster (who, it is worthy to note again, never said anything about their beliefs). I also love how you further project your insecurities by proclaiming how unintelligent my comment was, when yours is not any better.


Ex-Liberal
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:32 am

I think that last sentence shows more of the true leftist mentality than anything else here.


Ex-Liberal
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:36 am

I have never in my life heard liberals even associated with reality.


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trippin
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 11:54 am

Absolutely not! McCaughey gets her fecal matter strictly from bulls.


trippin
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 11:59 am

You don't even know the meanings of the epithets you spew.


trippin
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

Please, you self-righteous right wing igoramus: read every stinking word you JUST POSTED.

Not ONE IOTA of constructive comment, not ONE solution, not ONE SHRED of rationality. It's all about pumping up your blind hatred until your blood pressure is in orbit.

And of course, hypocrisy being no stranger to people who have no arguments, you accuse others of precisely what you do. My heart bleeds for you, you poor offended little schoolgirl.

You see, I don't have to pretend I'm adding something constructive. Like Barney Frank, I don't get my jollies holding discourse with people as dumb as household furniture. I'm doing this for one reason only: to let you know how profound a dumbass you are, and to invite you to continue to jump up and down in this crowded room proclaiming it at the top of your lungs. You're a role model, and your rantings are an endless source of entertainment and enlightenment to those who might be sitting on the fence on the issue.

You speak of failures, yet your busted political party (if you know what that is, you brilliant political science major) will be holding its next convention in a phone booth.

LIBERAL is NOT a political party, Einstein. Neither is “independent.” It is completely relevant to the discussion, because it exposes the lack of credibility in anything you might say, because when it comes right down to it, you're a goddamn fool with more mouth than brains.

Don't flatter yourself by thinking anyone would lift a finger to discredit you: you do that all by yourself.


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 12:19 pm

It cracks me up that you get your news from Colbert. nuff said


haydonyoung
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 12:19 pm

Betsy McCaughey is only one of the legion of paid vocal advocates working on behalf of the financial interests of the health care corporations. Dick Armey is another.


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

Golf clap aside…..I'm not a Conservative. We don't need a massive bureaucracy and government health care to make “better decisions within our own families and for ourselves.”
Ask a Canadian. Or ask a Brit.
There is nothing in this bill about health or care.


anon
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 12:39 pm

If you don't like it, you can pay out of pocket.

Ask a Canadian or a Brit and they'll tell you they like their system a hell of a lot better. They'll tell you that they don't have to worry about medical bankruptcies that are an epidemic in the US.

You're either completely ignorant or intentionally lying, either ways you are the problem. I actually prefer to think you're lying. The idea that you actually believe a popularly elected president, a majority of congress (many of whom are over 65 years old), and 70+% of the American people support death panels — that's just disturbing as hell to me.


amish451
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 12:54 pm

Actually she was looking for page 432, Stewart found it for her …and no, she did not comprehend what she read; and/or she lied. Then Palin compounded that lie….I'm sure they are both so very proud of their work.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:16 pm

“Do you know what the implications are if Obama is successful with his Health Care reform? IT is disastrous! If you are an American than you should READ the bill and UNDERSTAND what the long-term consequences are.”
Bobby – Do you oppose any health care reform? Do you think there is a problem?
thanks


USVOTER
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

Errrrrr Bobby…you need to think outside YOUR box.


Frank
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:52 pm

It cracks me up that you didn't understand the satire of using a Colbert quote.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

elisalyn01 – Where do you get your news? Can we agree that President Bush wasn't a science guy? More religious and didn't have a curious mind.


Jackwalden
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

If there was ever a need for a death panel, it would be for the likes of her…


Rob
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

For all us ignorant folks out there, can you please site where you lifted this quote of Obama from, so we can look into it?


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

elisalyn01 – I grew up right across the border from Canada. In fact my sister went to Canada for health care.
I agree a massive bureaucracy would be a big mistake. Do you know every country has a different model? I wish this Hitler and Death squads nonsense would go away and people would have a rational discussion. People don’t realize that if small companies are asked to pay for a national plan thru increase taxes then many won’t keep paying for their employees health care under a different private plan. That is the reality of a small business.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/health…


lori3288
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

Another “Joe the Plumber” fading away into obscurity.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

elisalyn01 – I grew up right across the border from Canada. In fact my sister went to Canada for health care.
I agree a massive bureaucracy would be a big mistake. Do you know every country has a different model? I wish this Hitler and Death squads nonsense would go away and people would have a rational discussion. People don’t realize that if small companies are asked to pay for a national plan thru increase taxes then many won’t keep paying for their employees health care under a different private plan. That is the reality of a small business.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/health…


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

elisalyn01 – I grew up right across the border from Canada. In fact my sister went to Canada for health care.
I agree a massive bureaucracy would be a big mistake. Do you know every country has a different model? I wish this Hitl3r and Death squads nonsense would go away and people would have a rational discussion. People don’t realize that if small companies are asked to pay for a national plan thru increase taxes then many won’t keep paying for their employees health care under a different private plan. That is the reality of a small business.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/health…


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JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

Geronl – This is exactly what I think is wrong with this health care discussion. You post a statement about a booklet from the VA. Maybe this is what you are referring to?
http://www.va.gov/vaforms/medical/pdf/vha-10-01… If so you are lying.

You also post some other stuff without links. Some people might believe you and make decisions without facts. Stick to facts and links. Stop the nonsense.

If no one takes care of themselves, health care will cost a lot more than projected. Childhood obesity rates have tripled in the last 25 years. Adult obesity rates are on the rise in 37 States.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/09…
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/…

I think we need reform but equality we need to be careful.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

Geronl – This is exactly what I think is wrong with this health care discussion. You post a statement about a booklet from the VA. Maybe this is what you are referring to?
http://www.va.gov/vaforms/medical/pdf/vha-10-01… If so you are lying.

You also post some other stuff without links. Some people might believe you and make decisions without facts. Stick to facts and links. Stop the nonsense.

If no one takes care of themselves, health care will cost a lot more than projected. Childhood obesity rates have tripled in the last 25 years. Adult obesity rates are on the rise in 37 States.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/09…
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/…

I think we need reform but equality we need to be careful.


ianeisenberg
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

For a poli-sci major you suffer from a number of logical fallacies.

It would seem that your reading of the bill is tainted by the public debate. You should re-read it (I am assuming you have read it) and do a little digging in to the specifics.

The bill does nothing but offer health care for a large, broad base of the countries citizenry. It does so while doing everything possible to offset the costs of that increase while doing no harm to those already insured.

There are no “death panels”, there are no provisions denying health care to the aged based on fitness or worth, there is nothing to place immigrants over citizens in obtaining health care. These are all scare tactics dreamt up by the right to prevent the passage of reform which affects no one adversely but the insurance industry.

You then resort to ad hominem attacks. typical of a right wing poster, but you are an independent so we will just chalk it up to the heat of the conversation.

I think the final straw in placing your world view is the last line of your post. It is now the oft repeated mantra of the right… “Obama is making this a… socialist, fascist, communist (insert objectionable political system here), state.”


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

Death panels do exist; the insurance companies. They make the decision on who is covered and who is not. Get sick and they may kick you off to ensure they make their 20%.


ianeisenberg
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

Renew! Renew! Renew!

Damn hand crystals! Seems like just yesterday I was a green.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

Why are my posts disappearing?


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

elisalyn01 – I grew up right across the border from Canada. In fact my sister went to Canada for health care.
I agree a massive bureaucracy would be a big mistake. Do you know every country has a different model? I wish this Hipler Death squads nonsense would go away and people would have a rational discussion. People don’t realize that if small companies are asked to pay for a national plan thru increase taxes then many won’t keep paying for their employees health care under a different private plan. That is the reality of a small business.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/health…


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

elisalyn01 – I grew up right across the border from Canada. In fact my sister went to Canada for health care.
I agree a massive bureaucracy would be a big mistake. Do you know every country has a different model? I wish this Hipler Death squads nonsense would go away and people would have a rational discussion. People don’t realize that if small companies are asked to pay for a national plan thru increase taxes then many won’t keep paying for their employees health care under a different private plan. That is the reality of a small business.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/health…


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

Geronl – This is exactly what I think is wrong with this health care discussion. You post a statement about a booklet from the VA. Maybe this is what you are referring to?
http://www.va.gov/vaforms/medical/pdf/vha-10-01… If so you are lying.

You also post some other stuff without links. Some people might believe you and make decisions without facts. Stick to facts and links. Stop the nonsense.

If no one takes care of themselves, health care will cost a lot more than projected. Childhood obesity rates have tripled in the last 25 years. Adult obesity rates are on the rise in 37 States.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/09…
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/…

I think we need reform but equality we need to be careful.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

judithterry – I posted under you because this post disappears when I try to reply to Geronl.

Geronl – This is exactly what I think is wrong with this health care discussion. You post a statement about a booklet from the VA. Maybe this is what you are referring to?
http://www.va.gov/vaforms/medical/pdf/vha-10-01… If so you are lying.

You also post some other stuff without links. Some people might believe you and make decisions without facts. Stick to facts and links. Stop the nonsense.

If no one takes care of themselves, health care will cost a lot more than projected. Childhood obesity rates have tripled in the last 25 years. Adult obesity rates are on the rise in 37 States.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/09…
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/…

I think we need reform but equality we need to be careful.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

Post disappears


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

Geronl – This is exactly what I think is wrong with this health care discussion. You post a statement about a booklet from the VA. Maybe this is what you are referring to?
http://www.va.gov/vaforms/medical/pdf/vha-10-01… If so you are lying.


Jenna-na-na
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

It is everyone's termination date *glare*.

2012!!! Oooooooh!


michellem62
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

As a Brit living in Canada, right now.. 26 years in Britain and 21 years in Canada. You have a huge bureaucracy denying people healthcare, they just call them selves insurance companies. I wouldnt give up my healthcare options in either Canada or the UK to have what Americans have if you paid me a million bucks.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

SOYLENT GREEN IS GRANDPA!


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

elisalyn01 – I grew up right across the border from Canada. In fact my sister went to Canada for health care.
I agree a massive bureaucracy would be a big mistake. Do you know every country has a different model? I wish this Hitler and death squads nonsense would go away and people would have a rational discussion.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/health…

People don’t realize that if small companies are asked to pay for a national plan thru increase taxes then many won’t keep paying for their employee’s health care under a different private plan. That is the reality of a small business.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

You libs dont get it. She didnt “quit”. To not have quit would have been to quit. She will now be able to work full time to do the Lords work of increasing profits for the large health care compaines and fighting the evil nazi socialists that are trying to force us to be healthy like the communists that control Canada!


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

elisalyn01 – I grew up right across the border from Canada. In fact my sister went to Canada for health care.
I agree a massive bureaucracy would be a big mistake. Do you know every country has a different model? I wish this Hitler and death squads nonsense would go away and people would have a rational discussion.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/health…

People don’t realize that if small companies are asked to pay for a national plan thru increase taxes then many won’t keep paying for their employee’s health care under a different private plan. That is the reality of a small business.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

elisalyn01 – I grew up right across the border from Canada. In fact my sister went to Canada for health care.
I agree a massive bureaucracy would be a big mistake. Do you know every country has a different model? I wish this Hitler and death squads nonsense would go away and people would have a rational discussion.


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

Soylent Green is grandma !


truthseeker
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

Wasn't it just last week DICK Armey “resigned”? She was absolutely vapid and ridiculous. Thank
you John Stewart for calling her out.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

iriquoi – You got ripped off. December only has 31 days. You have to live forever. Are you the highlander?
I stopped reading my mail so when the death squad comes I can say I never see the notice.


breaksmybrain08
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

What, doesn't your TV have any other channels besides Fox? What a shame. Republicans = I got mine…now you get yours.

That is, as long as it doesn't stand in the way of me continuing to get mine (because I was here first you know). How else do Blue Bloods became Blue? Throughout history these cretins use entitlement to serve their skewed perspective of the world; that is until they suddenly become poor.

Lose your job and your health care (through no fault of your own) and it won't matter if you live IN THE RICHEST COUNTRY ON EARTH. Become a HAVE NOT…and you're no longer in the fold of planet WingNuttia bobbybox…life becomes an uphill struggle against your notion of entitlement and greed.


Meet the person who invented the “Death Panel” lie in the health care debate - Wingnut Extreme
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nikolai
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

It's closer to 30% Actually


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

You don't even have to lose your job. Get really sick and there is a chance your insurance company will decide not to cover you.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/fe…


bandwagonpete
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

what obama is saying is nothing different than what currently happens. as a doctor it is their responsibility to tell a patient what options they have in treating diseases. if a person has stage 4 cancer and will die regardless of treatment the doctor should lay out the positives and negatives in all of the options, be it treatment or no treatment. if the person wants to be ill from chemo but gain a few extra days on this earth then they can choose that option. if the person would rather spend their last days feeling somewhat ok and not sick from chemo that is their choice… as long as their insurance provider is willing to pay for the treatment. learn how to read the broader statement.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

I did some research and the numbers may not be as high as 20% or 30%. I got the 20% from some article I cannot find. Their execs won't release their pay. Not sure how important this is but I wanted to clarify by 20% may not be good information.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/08/house_as…
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/galloway/story/73288…


nikolai
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

My two cents in regard to the healthcare debate is that it's really an argument about ideology and unfortunately, prejudice as well, at least for a large percentage of the red-staters. The proof of this is seen in the poor southern folks freaking out in the town hall meetings. Good, inexpensive, universal healthcare would help THEM more than the average liberal blue-stater, yet they rail against it. They are happily cutting off their own noses to spite their faces like they did when they sacrificed their children to their king GWB. Hell, if folks are gladly but insanely sacrificing their kids so wealthy republicans can profit in the name of patriotism, how is a black democrat going to convince them that universal heathcare is the way to go? It's an argument that shouldn't make any sense, yet strangely it does. This is why rational arguments and reasoning don't work with these people, they are all about misguided, manipulated emotion and ideology. In my opinion they are actually pissed-off they were had by their own king (though he did make the ultimate sacrifice in temporarily giving up golf) and now they're taking it out on President Obama which makes about as much sense as the rest of their cockeyed world.


Boots
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

Yeah, she resigned just like Dick Armey resigned from DLA Piper. They were both “fired” for bringing dishonor to their employers. That happens when peoples heads grow much larger than their bodies and their brain gets lost in the vacuum.


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

If this is what is “currently happening” why do we need to create another massive
bureaucracy? We can do that just fine without. In fact, we can do so better without.
Because a government system – which is designed to squeeze out free-market providers resorts to rationing.
the removal of personal care and the weight of impending additional impersonal bureaucracy is way too heavy.
broader statement indeed


Anonymous
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

Did you know that Richard Nixon proposed a National Health care plan when he was president ?
Do you also realize that the #1 factor for bankruptcies today is because of health care costs.
We have to do something if we care about each other and our fellow US citizens. Other countries that have National health care are shaking their heads in disbelief at the lies we are being fed. The insurance companies dont want to let go of their strangle hold on their system and they are fighting hard against any kind of reform. Do you own or work for an insurance company ? I dont see this as a liberal/conservative issue, this is a “We the People” issue and I am all for “We the People” – the insurance companies are only for “Some of the People some of the time” with their “you can get a facelift but a brain tumor isn’t covered in your plan”.
I just hate it that other countries have viable health care plans and we are still debating. Makes us look like a second class country. Are we that ignorant or are we that stupid ?
If you own an insurance company, I can see your fear & concern over this bill but if you are an American, the only question is if you love other Americans as well.
Carlton


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

we can agree that Bush wasn't a science guy. Bush however didn't try to take over healthcare. Seems to me he left the auto companies alone as well. Oh and he didn't bow down to Saudi Prince's , spoke without teleprompters and tax cheats in his administration?

If Bush had done any of this you would most certainly be screaming your head off about it. If this were a Bush plan??? OMG


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Nobody is saying we don't need healthcare reform.

We need tort reform….we need competition in insurance. We should be able to purchase insurance across state lines.
There are many other things we could do but none of that is being talked about. All that is being talked about is ramming this bill down our throats and what is most frightening…. most of them have admitted they haven't even read it.


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

exactly. we need healthcare reform and we need to sit down and work out what is best. It shouldn't be done with this hurried frenzy.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

What does being in a union have ANYTHING to do with it? Im not in a union either.
Do you not believe that every american should have the right to health-care outside of emergency patch up care?
Do you not believe that the constitution that is a living document meant to change with the times?
Can you tell me why its bad for the constitution?
oh and by the way…81 of the repub congress alone are lawyers while there are 123 Dems, soooooooo hardly relevant or true…but you seem to have quite a few iffy statements


Anonymous
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

Why would you think so? What did McCaughey say that you believed? Not one thing re’ death panels is true. As a nurse, I have been checking with each patient I admit into the hospital as to whether or not they have a living will for many, many years. This is not new, except now, if you want one, and need to talk with your doctor about all the options you have (from being kept alive by every means possible, to allowing you to die with dignity) this provision in the bill will allow your insurance co. to pay for the consult. Not too many people will spend money out of pocket to talk with a doctor. They would rather wait until they are in the hospital to have the discussion, as it will then be covered. But, so often these people are in no condition to discuss what they really want, and if they don’t have a legal designated spokesmann (usually a family member) to speak for them, they will be kept alive by all means possible, despite the true wishes of that person to NOT be kept alive by machines. So the fact that all you anti Obamites think this is a new trojan horse, you have never learned the truth. Please, look at all sides, not just the Glenn Becks of misinformation!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

other countries are not shaking their heads in disbelief. The Canadian system is in trouble. And please google Daniel Hannan regarding the british system. Both are inferior to the care we enjoy here.

Here are a few stats I just looked up about Canadian single-payer.
The single-payer system does not cover prescription drugs on a universal basis.
In 1993, Canadian patients waited an average of 9.3 weeks between the time they saw their family physician and the time they actually received the treatment they needed. By 2007, the average wait time had almost doubled to 18.3 weeks. The median wait time in Canada is nearly double the wait time that physicians consider clinically reasonable.
Public drug plans in Canada often refuse to cover new drugs.

And it just goes on and on and I think we should be careful what we wish for.

Of course I love other Americans and believe we should all have affordable access to health care.
We need free market solutions.

tax incentive for citizens to purchase their own private health insurance. And a write off for insurance at the end of the year.
allow citizens to purchase insurance plans across state lines.

allow groups of citizens to purchase ‘healthcare coops’ the way businesses do.

And all of this can be done without creating another massive government bureaucracy or mandating that all citizens get coverage whether they want it or not.

This should be discussed and it isn’t.


NCMath
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

It is currently happening, it is just that the insurance companies are not paying for the service. Only difference. We know how the right likes to keep their noses out of our personal decisions, what a joke, I remember Shiavo. I will not let conservatives run my life, ever.


NCMath
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

I think six decades is not rushing anything. Makes me laugh when I hear this statement.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

the credibility of journalism was lost during the last 8 years of Bush. Only now are we learning the truths that so many of us already knew, but faced being called a traitor to our country if we exposed them, or dared question them. Thank God the majority of Americans came to their senses by ridding the white house of the worst liars in history.


bud malone
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Poor Betsy. The way she was fumbling through her notes a little resin on her fingers might have helped. I have no recommendation for an addled brain.


michellem62
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

HI Elisa, Actually a lot of “friends ” who live in the US say its not needed, but then they are actually getting the healthcare they need, admitedly at unbeliveable costs and penalties.
Tort reform if it ever happens will happen over years, precisely because its written by lawyers who dont really want to see themselves out of money. The need for healthcare(more than emergency) for everyone is an urgent need NOW.
Well the bill has been online(in rough form) for a month now Ive read it, so I dont believe NOW that there is any one in the senate or congress hasnt. If they havent, they need to quit their jobs and retire.
I honestly wish you luck, the time for reform is NOW not in a year or two.


Bren
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

I am Canadian and I had two hernia operations, ten years apart, paid for entirely by the government health care plan. It would have cost thousands and thousands of dollars each time had I had to pay out of pocket. Between the bureaucracy of insurance companies and my own government, I'm glad I was dealing with the government. At least I don't have to destroy my financial future in order to get needed surgery.


wyliehombre
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

I don't fully understand your position. Please explain how Health Care Reform would be disasterous. What, in your opinion, will the long term consequences be? You can't just throw that out there and not provide a supporting arguement. I need to understand why you believe that if I am to be swayed to support your position.

Do you believe that the current system is sufficient? I think a great question has been posed. What is the function of the insurance companies and what value do they provide? If you are unable to answer that simple question, you can't really make a case against reform.


foo
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Yeah, they make decisions as to who will be covered, whereas the government would make decisions as to who can receive CARE.

Doofus!


foo
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

They don't deny people care, doofus, they deny people COVERAGE. Anyone, and ANYONE, can go get care in the U.S. In Britain, even if you have the money, be it by taking out a loan, etc, you can't get CARE.

Stop lying, it's not helping your point.


d_catalyst
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

You need to do three things immediately. First, read the very bill you are telling others to read Jon Stewart read it and understood it better than she did, and she got skewered because of it. Second, look up fascism. It doesn't mean what you think it does. It's about consolidation of power and government. It has nothing to do with regulation. I repeat, it has *nothing* to do with regulation. Lastly, look up liberal. It also does not mean what you think it does. Just because Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck use the words fascism and liberal in instances where it does not apply, does not mean that you should blindly accept their definitions.


bud malone
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Let me offer a simple concept about health care. Set aside all the numbers and individual anecdotal experiences. The subject has been talked to death. If you believe that a profit should be made from the suffering of other human beings than stay with private insurance and their bloated profit bottom line. If you are worried about the debt than stand up and tell the uninsured/under insured tough shit, we can't afford you. Above all dwell on the facts and not the lies and misinformation.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:22 am

From what I’ve been reading, Unions would be exempt from the health care tax. That could be until their contracts run out though, I’m not sure on that.
Re the changing Constitution….Constitutional Amendment 9 and 10, which provide protection to the people and states, in the event that the federal government grew too big, as is the case in our day and time.
And do I think healthcare is a right?
We are not born with a right to a trip to Disneyland, a meal at burger king, a big screen tv or a liver transplant.
Our system guarantees you the chance to work for what you want — not to be given it without effort by somebody else.
The right to life means that I have the right to earn food and clothes for myself not that my neighbors should feed and clothe me.
Government has no source of wealth other than confiscation of the citizens’ wealth, through taxation, deficit financing or the like.
Under any socialized program, it is the “little people” who do most of the paying for it “the people” can’t afford such and such, so the government must take over.
Its nonsense.
In a year when the payment comes due from the “stimulus”….what then???
So, no I don’t believe in a national health care plan with government at the helm. We can’t afford it.
I think we can come up with a free market solution.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:39 am

I do too. Rational discussion would do the trick


d_catalyst
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

“Blah blah blah is wrong” [citation needed]


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:56 am

Hello Elisalyn,

I know the British & Canadians have their woes with their National Health plans but my hope is that we will do it better.
We could easily pay for National coverage here in administrative costs savings alone. Then factor all the insurance/lawyers whose
job it is to find loopholes so that their respective companies do not pay and that equates to even more available resources.
I am an engineer and my thought about my profession vs lawyers/insurance people is “Engineers make the pie grow larger, lawyers chop it up”.
They dont create anything, they just take from what exists.
One million people a year in the US are filing for bankruptcy because of medical costs. Thats just crazy and something has to change.
I keep hearing about how flawed the Obama plan is but has anyone produced an alternative to curb this downward spiral we are on ?

I pay for dental insurance and 2 years ago I had a loose molar and decided to just have it pulled. I went in and paid my $25 co-pay and the dentist
yanked the tooth. I then received a bill for $750 – my insurance would not cover a pulled tooth because they considered it a surgical procedure
by the code the dentist office used when submitting the bill. I went back & forth with the dentist office & the insurance company and finally my company
dropped the insurance company because of their inadequate service. I appreciated my company fighting for me and choosing an alternative when the insurance
company failed to provide the coverage I paid for but I still had to pay the $750.

Here are some links that I think reflect a varied portrayal of issues good & bad – but I still believe we have to do something now and I believe this bill
is a start and is long overdue.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/world/AP/story/1185908.html

http://juneauempire.com/stories/070109/opi_457302797.shtml

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html?ei=5090&en=c4da5cf4db6e91c6&ex=1344571200&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_reform_in_the_United_States

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rachlis3-2009aug03,0,538126.story

Nixons Health Care plan: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/163901.html

Blessings,
Carlton

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Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Hurried frenzy? Oh for God’s sake. You should be a health care industry lobbyist.

We have not had health care reform in this country for generations. And you’re over here asking “what’s the rush?”

Despicable.


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

elisalyn01 – Thanks for the reply. This isn't about President Bush but I wanted to learn about you. Before I move on; President Bush and even President Reagan used the teleprompter. President George HW Bush was very good friends with the Saudi Prince. Google that if you are ever bored. President George W Bush just about begged the Saudi Prince for more oil. President George W Bush started the massive bailouts.

Health care isn't easy. I work for a small business and they will stop providing my health care plan (which they pay 80%) if they have to pay for the national plan (for everyone else) with higher taxes. They are probably not alone.

If people don't take care of themselves, then they could bankrupt the system. Not looking for the government to make everyone live healthier lifestyle but why should I pay for people who choose to smoke and drink etc.? I want to see some reform but we have to be careful we don’t end up with something worse.

We need to discuss health care not as democrat, republican, or independent but as Americans. I left libertarian out because they want the government out of our lives. Doesn’t seem they will be happy unless major changes happen. Not realistic without libertarians having more seats in Congress.

Just my thoughts.


JimPA
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 1:41 am

“From what I’ve been reading, Unions would be exempt from the health care tax.”
Link?


JimPA
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

I wish the Republicans and the lobbyist would stop the nonsense. I can’t believe people believe the lies.


d_catalyst
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

You've just quoted two blocks of text without making any statement. Do you care to flesh out your stance at all, ElisaLyn01?


rockyroo
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

bobbybox- You do realize that neither of your comments contain a substantive criticism about the health care legislation or of Obama's policies? If I knew nothing about this process and were looking for information, the only substance I could get from your posts is that Obama is in favor of some legislation and that you really really don't like it.

All the other stuff attacking liberals or whomever is just noise. Your comments have no persuasive power without any specifics.


d_catalyst
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Are you drinking the kool-aid? Government regulation does not mean that “government is involved in decisions like that”, contrary to what Republicans who supported the Terry Schiavo fiasco might want to believe. It means that the doctors must honor the wishes of patients who decide when they are clear and lucid what they want done.

Right now, insurance companies can just decide to deny them service.

You say that what we have works? You appear to have a poor grasp of facts and statistics. Doing nothing and leaving things as they are will cost us billions more than the current health care bill. So propose a better alternative or shut up. It's that simple.


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d_catalyst
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

You are right on one point. The bureaucracy is way too heavy, but it is way too heavy within the current system where doctors are paid more for performing more and more procedures, creating more and more bureaucracy. This new proposal will help to resolve this inefficiency. It is “designed” to reorient the intent of services to help the patient and to cut costs rather than to ensure a costly procedure is performed. You say it's designed to squeeze out competition. That makes no sense. Do you understand how the free market even works?


d_catalyst
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

HAHAHA! “spoke without teleprompters?!” Don't you remember how he had a device feeding him talking points hidden in his shirt during the debate?? Wow, you've got the blinders on BIGTIME.


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

well then, lets not call it tort reform. Lets call it medical malpractice reform.
(and by the way the whole Democratic party are lawyers)

It costs a great deal of money, and valuable time, for a medical practitioner to protect himself or herself against malpractice lawsuits.

yet, the president says he is not advocating caps on malpractice awards.” He talks about the costs of unnecessary tests. Tests which doctors have to run so they won't be sued to oblivion.

This seems to me to be at least one obvious solution. Yet he says nothing about the abuses of trial lawyers.

Could this have something to do with the fact that the tort bar has been the largest single contributor to the Democratic Party in recent years?

You are right…alot of us in the US say its not needed. I say we need something but not this. But then again, I'm not in a union .
sorry for the sarcasm but this bill in its current form is dangerous for this country and against the Constitution.


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

No president in history has relied on the teleprompter like Obama has. He took it to all of the 57 states with him. HAHAHA


d_catalyst
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

And no President in history has committed more gaffes and said more thnings that are downright logical paradoxes than George Dubya Bush. What's your point, and how does this relate to healthcare reform?


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

I know that the presidents use teleprompters. None has ever used them like this one.

And, Bush wasn't my favorite president by any means. I never mentioned a party affiliation.
Clinton was also very close with the saudis and neither him nor Bush bowed. (I googled it) Well, Bush bowed to have something put on his neck. Nothing like what Obama did.

And I don't believe it is an issue of taking care of yourself. Of course that is important but you can take care of yourself all day long and still get breast cancer. There are also hereditary conditions to consider. And defects at birth. It isn't all a lifestyle matter.

I don't back the Obama plan. There is just too much government involvement. Government is not our warm and fuzzy friend who wants to help. If allowed to, it will grow and grow and we won't remember freedom.
This health care reform can be done without government involvement and that is the solution I will embrace.

“The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.: Ronald Reagan said that.


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Answer honestly, would you back this health care bill as much if this was a Bush plan?


d_catalyst
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

Unlike you, I'm not as focused on the political party (I'm an independant) as I am on the substance of the debate. What reason could you possibly have for supporting doing nothing or waiting several years, with tens of millions of uninsured being paid for by taxpayers at a heightened cost because of the need for ER visits for them to receive care, which means tens of billions US dollars wasted? This plan saves billions, and takes insurance companies away from being in between you and your doctor.

I am still waiting for your proposal for a better plan…


heartlessindustrys
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

how about this one?

“Profits before the Poor” Drugs giant offers an answer to the toxic Question facing a heartless industry”
Sarah boseley
The Guardian, Sat., 14, February 2009


d_catalyst
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

Remember, the government is us. That's what a representative democracy means. The government is not the enemy. If you truly believe that it is, i hope you avoid using public roads, don't send your kids to public schools, and deal with all police and fire matters yourself. If you don't believe that, then realize that it is for reasons of the commonwealth that a government is formed and maintained, such as healthcare for all citizens.


Daniel
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

If it provided a guarantee to provide all Americans with affordable and high quality health care regardless of their medical history or financial status, absolutely.

The vast numbers of Americans that can't afford insurance or are denied insurance claims because of stupid things like preexisting conditions and arbitrary decisions is downright wrong. Profiteering at the expense of American citizens' lives is fundamentally evil and a violation of the Declaration of Independence (right to the pursuit of happiness).


RNBSN
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

So very true. As a nurse I am ashamed how insurance co. pick and chose the care they allow. I've seen patients discharged much too early because their plan wouldn't cover them. Many return within 24 hours, much sicker than when they left (and some die at home because of the lack of care they needed!).
To the writer that thinks we are becoming a facist country, you must first learn what that really means. We were slipping into it under Bush 2!!
Ms. McCaughey showed her ignorance with Jon Stewart, I am amazed at the lies being thrown around and the number of Republicans eager to jump on the band wagon of misinformation. This is truly unAmerican! As is the fact that nearly 50 million people are w/o insurance (or are underinsured) in this great country of ours.
The townhall disturbances were created by Republicans with a lot to lose if the insurance co. have to make their costs affordable. Those ignorant enough to believe this propaganda believed they had to yell down others that were speaking the truth. I see this as a sign of cowardice. It certainly is non-American to say the least! I truly see the republicans that love Bush and his ilk as puppets being played by big intrests. They are ignorant to the truth, and that is really scary. They listen to Fox News, never checking out the facts for themselves. What has happened to being well informed? Thank God for those in news (real and comedic) that give you the facts (Keith Obermann, Rachael Maddow, and as always Jon Stewart, to name a few!) Please, I am begging those who hate anything Obama is doing to take a long hard look at the facts before insisting you know what is real.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:12 am

Good post, Jim.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:19 am

Where is your partner-in-criminally-wrong-thought, Tuci78? Did he get scared away when his assassination threats got compiled and shoved in his face?

He would love to snark with you and trade gibberish about the evils of government and the wonders of an imaginary Euro-thinktank-utopia where the free market rules ruthlessly and the government is the size of a homeowners’ association.

He kept telling us that he wanted to discuss healthcare. I guess he got shy when the time came to step up to the plate. What a shocker.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:19 am

_Click here: LaborPains.org » Blog Archive » Unions Get Exemption From
Healthcare Tax_
(http://laborpains.org/index.php/2009/06/15/unions-get-exemption-from-healthcare-tax/)

_Click here: YID With LID: Unions Exempt From Obama Care Taxes–WHY???_
(http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/06/unions-exempt-from-obama-care-taxes-why
.html)

_Click here: Union Members Exempt from New Health Benefits Tax – HUMAN
EVENTS_ (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32398)

_Click here: Union workers would be exempt from Dem health care tax |
Washington Examiner_
(http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Union-workers-would-be-exempt-from-Dem-health-care-tax_06_23-48810402.html)


elisalyn01
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

better plan

We need free market solutions.

tax incentive for citizens to purchase their own private health insurance. And a write off for insurance at the end of the year.
allow citizens to purchase insurance plans across state lines.

allow groups of citizens to purchase 'healthcare coops' the way businesses do.

And all of this can be done without creating another massive government bureaucracy or mandating that all citizens get coverage whether they want it or not.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:36 am

the shiny happy people hand holding. ….and the last one wasn’t a bow. he bent over as something was placed around his neck. don’t know what it is.

and term limits….they wouldn’t have time to buy anybody would they? they wouldn’t be there long enough.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:58 am

_Click here: 50 million uninsured Americans? – FP Comment_
(http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/08/18/50-million-uninsured-
americans.aspx)

_Click here: The fuzzy math of 47 million_
(http://www.reviewmessenger.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2263:the-fuzzy-math-of-47-milli
on&catid=19:guest-opinion)

_Click here: Health-Care Myths Debunked – Brett Skinner — THE MARK_
(http://www.themarknews.com/articles/405-health-care-myths-debunked)


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 5:28 am

Callous…. a big word you throw around to make yourself feel morally superior by being for government giveaways to the “disadvantaged.” Politically correct lies. They don’t work.

what happened to this woman…callous

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12857


stephenperry
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:31 am

I agree, as usual, Jim.

What I like about insurance companies is that they have brass balls.

I and every other lawyer I respect cannot stand insurance companies.

They price out policies on the asserted basis that they need to spread risk. So you pay more than you need to for your policy, because the insurance company tells you they need to be able to cover catastrophic illness or exceedingly-expensive treatment needed by some other insured.

But then they deny coverage to everyone who has a significant risk of being catastrophically ill or of costing them a lot of money. So pretty much the only people who get insurance coverage are the people who are unlikely ever to need insurance coverage — healthy people under 50 years old.

So they make money on a risk that they do not cover anyway.

It would be like a casino in Vegas that made you pay double to play craps but then covered up the numbers 6 and 8. You'd never have a real chance at winning, but you're paying more just for the right to watch your money disappear from the table.


Wolfsinger
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:42 am

I know it would be quite beneficial to my health if the lying hypocrite Betsy McCaughey was wearing prison orange for her role in deceiving and terrorizing the American public in such an overt and viscous manner.

Seeing her in prison would significantly lower my stress level.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:42 am

Do you have any idea what you write about?

Bush did the Medicare prescription drug benefit. That's more of a “take over” than Obama's plan, which only allows a public option to provide fair competition.

Bush left the auto companies alone because he was so busy propping up the oil companies, which were in fine shape to begin with. This distortion wrecked our economy.

Bush (and his father) were longtime suck-ups to the Saudis. When George W. Bush was considering running for President, do you know who the FIRST person he consulted was? Bandhar, the Saudi Ambassador, who has been like a brother to Dubya and a longtime friend of the Bush family. Dubya flew Bandhar out to Texas and met with him to gauge his opinion of Bush's candidacy. That's reported by Bob Woodward in Plan of Attack, the first of three books he wrote about Bush's wartime Presidency.

And when 9/11 happened, do you remember when the flights were grounded nationwide for the next three days? Guess who got flown quietly out of America and back to Saudi Arabia by George W. Bush at a time when all flights were grounded? That's right, high-level Saudis.

When Khalid Sheik Mohammed told interrogators that 3 Saudi princes had had advance knowledge of 9/11 but did nothing to stop it, what did Bush do? Nothing.

What did the Saudi government do when it found out? It waited a month, then KILLED all three princes fingered by KSM.

Bush used teleprompters. Have you forgotten his first debate with Kerry? He WORE A WIRE to the debate, and had his answers piped into his ear.

I was once watching Bush and Jacques Chirac on CNN. The CNN feed crossed wires with the feed that was GOING INTO BUSH'S EAR, telling him what to say. You could hear a voice quietly and slowly saying a simple phrase. Then you would hear Bush say that same phrase.

Tax cheats? You mean like Hank Paulson, who headed Goldman Sachs and raked off billions in profits that would have been illegal if anyone had studied the books in time?

Seriously, get out of the Fox echo chamber. You're embarrassing yourself.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:46 am

If the plan was identical, yes. Healthcare should not be a partisan issue.

But you know you're blowing smoke. No way in hell would Bush have ever done anything like the Obama plan. He had 8 years and never once tried to regulate ANY industry, much less provide assistance to people who actually need it.

ExxonMobil and Halliburton, on the other hand, got all sorts of goodies thrown their way.

You're pathetic for shilling for such a terrible President.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:51 am

Cite your source on 12 million. I call bullshit.

But assuming arguendo that it's 12 million, just how callous ARE you?

Is 12 million too small a number for you to care about? How many uninsured people are in your city? In your family?

Free market solutions? Wow that's a laugh. The myth that the free market solves all is as debunked as the myth about the Loch Ness Monster.

Or did you forget the implosion of the financial markets due to lax regulation? Unfettered hands tend to be grabby. And they stuff as much as they can into their own pockets, everyone else be damned. Devil take the hindmost.

I will laugh my ass off when you or someone you care about lose your health insurance through no fault of your own then get really sick.

Where will your free market faith take you? To a casket store. Where you can pay whatever they feel like charging you and pick out whatever pine box you like best.


CaSunshine
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:56 am

She was an idiot on “The Daily Show”….he is one of the smartest and best interviewers on television and he deserves much praise for asking good questions and telling people when they are wrong and backing it up! Isn't it rather sad, though, that we have to go to a comedy show to find good interviewers??


JimPA
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 6:19 am

The first link is broken.

The middle link would do better if it referenced the parts of “U.S. Census Bureau’s 2006 report, “Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States” it refers to. Hate to take the word of Robert Romano.

Your last link is debunked by all three people who commented on it.


JimPA
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 6:23 am

I LMAO on your posts.


JimPA
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 6:37 am

elisalyn01 – “And I don’t believe it is an issue of taking care of yourself. Of course that is important but you can take care of yourself all day long and still get breast cancer. There are also hereditary conditions to consider. And defects at birth. It isn’t all a lifestyle matter.”

I agree with you on this too. I like it that President Obama is leaving the details to Congress. Just wish they do their job. I think it is funny they don’t do what Taiwanese government did in 2005 before they reformed their health care system. They studied all the systems around the world. I think most people don’t realize that each Country has a different health care system.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89651916

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/healthcare-trends-around_n_242264.html?slidenumber=0#slide_image

I don’t want to seem something worse that what we got. But I have health insurance, maybe if I didn’t I would be desperate.


JimPA
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 1:38 am

“I know that the presidents use teleprompters. None has ever used them like this one.”

Really don't understand this statement. President Obama is a great orator, writes a lot of his own speeches. I wish President George W Bush would have mastered the teleprompter and not have had all the gaffs. Are you saying President Obama uses the teleprompter in some other way that the other Presidents? Or he uses them more often? Who cares?

“Clinton was also very close with the saudis and neither him nor Bush bowed.”

President Bush dancing with the Saudis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoRHLrXmqbc

President Bush hand holding in Crawford, TX:
http://www.efootage.com/stock-footage/32123/lea…

President Bush bowing to the Saudis:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures…

We agree on term limits for Congress. This would slow down the lobbyists. They would have to try to buy the Congressmen/women and Senators a lot more often.


Guest
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 1:39 am

HA ha


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 6:50 am

“sybilll”, Pumpkin, you need to slow down while you read….

I have read the VA booklet because my husband is a Vet, and when a vet goes into a vet clinic or hospital, one of these Advance Directive pamphlets is given to them — just as they are given to ANYONE who is admitted to any hospital in the United States of America.

My husband and I are not getting any younger, and so, because of some medical issues he is having, we decided it was high time to write down our wishes so our families and doctors would know what our wishes are when we are no longer conscious, or when there is no chance of our recovery. (Got that Pumpkin?)

Over a period of about two months we 1. talked to our clergyperson, 2. talked to our children and siblings, 3. made an appointment with an attorney and filled out our Advance Directive’s for Health Care.

And, by the way, Pumpkin,I was not responding to Zeke, I was responding to the incorrect information in “geronl”‘s post, so you need to get your facts straight.

I HAVE checked my facts, maybe you should. too.


adhb
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 1:52 am

I am so glad that this lady is no longer a director of a medical group. It is so obvious that she manipulated the heallth reform bill to say that it is detrimental for old people. We are so sick of these lying Republicans. I feel sorry for all the low income Republicans that spew this stuff just because they are racists. These are the people who will suffer the most. Oh no…these are the people who will benefit the most when the Dems pass the bill. Good Ridness Betsy…I hope we never hear from you again.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 6:54 am

“morally superior by being for government giveaways to the ‘disadvantaged.’”

Wow.

Two things.

1.
“Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? Because if someone would have told me that this sort of thing was frowned upon, well, I never would have done it!” –George Costanza, trying to explain himself to his boss after getting caught having sex with the cleaning lady on his desk

2.
“Prop. 213…So you’re against discount bus fares for war widows?” –TV producer, the Simpsons

“Uh…, you bet I am!” –Lisa Simpson, who claimed to be against a proposition number that she plucked out of the air so that she could get on TV to make a statement
_________

“Callous” is not a big word. We’re grown-ups discussing serious issues. Healthcare is certainly one.

And healthcare has a moral component. I didn’t put it there. It was already there.

How you slice the pie of the American budget says quite a bit about what you prioritize.

And to be sure, there are government giveaways in nearly every sector of the economy, if not every sector.

This is fact.

So to deny what you call, and I will accept arguendo as, “giveaways” to “disadvantaged” people, while being cheerily patriotic about giveaways to, say, oil companies who have eye-popping quarterly profit reports, or military no-bid contractors, just strikes me as a moral compass that has encountered a magnetic field.

If anyone should be getting help, damnit, it’s disadvantaged SICK people.

What in the world are you thinking?

“Politically correct lies. They don’t work.”

So under your logic, Medicare didn’t work. That’s why every politician under the sun jumps up and down in front of as many TV cameras as possible about how much they hate Medicare and want to eliminate it in every election cycle.

If you think “callous” is a big word, however, I doubt that you detected the sarcasm. Either way, your reality sounds way funner than my reality. Crueler, too.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 6:59 am

I am a Canadian and I would never trade our medical system for yours. When I started raising a family at age 20 we made very little money. We raised 4 children (4 hospital births, cost = $0). The oldest has a learning disability and was diagnosed and treated after a 2 month (5 days a week) stay at a children’s hospital (cost = $0). The second oldest had terrible ear infections and required surgery to insert tubes (cost = $0). The third child had double pneumonia at 11 months and if not for the wonderful care he received would have died (cost = $0). We were never once asked if we had insurance, never asked what treatments we could afford. Now 20 years later after furthering my education (mostly through government loans and grants) we have a well above average household income. We have been given the opportunity to prosper and to give our children the chance at a better start than we had in part because we didn’t have to worry about hospital bills.
All this talk about long waits to see doctors, I have never seen it. Want to see a doctor now for a non-emergency? Go to a walk in clinic. Want to see your GP? Call and book an appointment 2 days from now. Need immediate care? Call an ambulance or go to the emergency. I once put my back out and was in terrible pain. I saw my doctor the very next day; he booked a CAT scan for which I had to wait a whole two days.
The concern that people in the states have about “Death Panels” is absurd. Do you mean to tell me that people honestly believe that the US government wants to pass a bill worth a trillion dollars so that they can refuse health care to sick old people? It absolutely boggles the mind.
How is health care for all a bad thing? You have a public school system and believe that every child deserves an education, you have public defenders because you believe that everyone deserves appropriate representation, why not then a public health care system because you believe that everyone deserves the right to appropriate health care?


adhb
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 2:03 am

I feel sorry for you, BobbyBox. I have read portions of the bill (though I have not studied it) and I find it to be most helpful to Americans. President Obama is not turning this country into a facist state, that is such a mean thing to say. Do you know what a facist state is? So we are in a deficit and more money will be spent and some of us will have to pay a lot more taxes. Are you one of the folks that make over $250K a year? I don't think so or you would not be sitting here chatting with us. Have a heart. You and your family would most likely benefit from health care. I know you know someone who could use the help.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 7:04 am

“I know that the presidents use teleprompters. None has ever used them like this one.”

You must mean that no one has ever used a teleprompter as WELL as President Obama.

Is that supposed to be some sort of insult?

“Your mother wears combat boots.”

That’s an insult. It is a put-down aimed at your mother, who most certainly didn’t wear combat boots unless your family was dirt-poor.

“Your President uses technology better than other Presidents used technology” is not an insult.

Would you consider perhaps donating some of your time to write insults aimed at Democratic candidates in tough 2010 races? We Democrats could use your help.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 7:30 am

Judith. Darlin’, you used the word *just* in your first post, inferring you had *just* read the VA booklet. Listen, Darlin’, I was responding to Zeke in the second part, but, I respect that reading comprehension is a challenge for you, Darlin’. But, Darlin’, if you had not prefaced your fable starting with *I JUST*, I might have somewhat bought the fable. Now, it turns out it was months ago. Darlin’, this is tiresome. Just save up every penny you have Darlin’, and maybe the secretary of the secretary of the secretary of the secretary, of the department of Darlin’s Deserve Dignity, will sign the papers personally. (Got that, Darlin’?) Had any of this been true, I would have commended, you Darlin’, as I have actually made plans for my parents, NOT at the directive of any government entity, Darlin’. (Got that, Darlin’?) You condescending twit.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 7:33 am

I think term limits are a good idea, but not for the reason you listed.

I disagree with your logic. There would be time to buy them, their prices would be lower, and they would sell themselves with dedication, verve, and flashing neon “I’m For SALE” signs in their campaign office windows.

Candidates who are just starting out are desperate for cash. They need it for television advertising, without a heavy and repetitive dosage of which, their campaigns will be stillborn.

And, as newcomers, they typically cannot raise much cash from individual donors through meet-and-greets in living rooms. They need institutional money. And they get into Faustian bargains quickly and without much thought, because they have no real alternative, and they put their own job ahead of their sworn duty.

Consider a recent story about a Democratic junior member of the House Financial Services committee that was hearing testimony about the need for a Consumer Protection Agency. The testimony was about abuses by certain financial companies.

The junior committee member skipped the committee meeting so she could attend a fundraiser for herself put on by a lobbyist for one of the companies being testified about!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/15/rep-suzanne-kosmas-skips_n_233678.html

So it’s unlikely that new meat would not spoil quickly when exposed to the taint of lobbyists and corporations. They seek out vulnerable targets. A vote is a vote. Kennedy or Kosmas. One vote bought. Steep discount for the latter.

I think term limits in Congress would nevertheless be useful.

The Senators serve 6 year terms. I think they should have 3 terms. Eighteen years is enough.

House members serve 2 year terms. This is absurd and leads to a continuous election cycle in which all decisions are subject to microscopic opposition-research that can be instantly exploited.

They should instead serve 4 year terms and be allowed 3 of them. Twelve years is enough.

The President serves up to two 4 year terms. This is not a long enough term, or there are not enough of them.

The President gets blamed for bad economies and complimented for good economies. Sometimes there is not time for a President’s policies to be implemented or understood fully while that President is in office. And Presidents are not vigorously interested in sweeping change, or any large-scale controversial decisions, in their first term, because all they care about is having a second term. In their second term, all they care about is looking Presidential.

I think the President should serve 6 year terms, and get 2 of them. I think that’s better than having 3 four year terms. This would give a new President enough time, about 4 years in office, to DO things and accomplish something to run for re-election on.

As it is, the President has 100 days after being elected before every decision he makes ends up being reported from the angle of its effect on mid-term Congressional elections, and then before you know it the President has his own re-election campaign in full swing and all the priorities get shoved aside.

But the fact that you and I agree about term limits is probably a rare overlapping of thought. We aren’t likely to agree on much else.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 7:37 am

LOL.

Hopefully only on the ones I intend to be funny!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 7:43 am

Thank you for your post. It was superb.

It was good to get information from someone with a different health care system, as opposed to all the American people who misrepresent what Canadian or U.K. health care is like.

And I especially appreciate the first-hand account of your family’s medical care.

Health care for all is not a bad thing. Those in the health care industry have an obvious bias.

Those who are not in the industry but who nonetheless argue against universal health care cut off their noses to spite their faces because they have been fed xenophobic fear of turning into some distorted view of “Socialist Russia” or some such place.

But really, my point is to thank you for an excellent and persuasive post. I thought you deserved more than for me to hit the “Like” button, which I also did.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 7:48 am

You don’t understand the word “just” any better than you understand the word “inferring.”

The writer implies. The reader infers.

But Judith’s use of the word “just” does not mean just this minute. Context is everything.

If you say “I just got out of the shower,” that means sometime in the last hour at most.

If you say “I just bought a new car,” that probably means within the last month.

If you say “I just wrote a book,” it probably took you several months to do, and you could have finished the last page six months ago.

Someone who “just” did a series of complicated things is probably not telling you that while she is still out of breath from her exertion.

If YOU are going to be a condescending twit, you at least have to be correct.


Tom
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:00 am

Jon Stewart IS completely right. My job for several years was writing, reading and analyzing legislaion. Betsy McCaughey was completely wrong and how she got to be Lt. Governor of NY without being able to read legislation, I have NO idea.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:03 am

I completely agree about how absurd it is that we must rely on the Comedy Channel to do investigative journalism.

Kind of like how we had to wait around until David Letterman had McCain on the Late Show to hear someone throw G Gordon Liddy in McCain's face.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:29 am

I love it that people are posting on this thread about how McCaughey “resigned” so that she would be better able to fight the good fight.

That's like saying Sarah Palin quit so she could better serve the people of Alaska.

You'd practically have to be a birther to believe either of those things.

McCaughey got FIRED because she got roasted by a comedian. That fact is obvious.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 6:39 am

Do you honestly believe that she voluntarily resigned?

Seriously?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

I just had my gall bladder and out from the initial doc appointment(within 24 hours) to seeing the specialist was two weeks to getting the surgery another 2 weeks, day surgery and home. Five weeks..cost 0 paperwork filled out..0 just me my doc and surgeon and wonderful staff at the hospital.
Yes we are having problems with areas, but we are WORKING them out together.
I so agree with you Trucanadian, the health care me and mine have needed has been on the whole wonderful.
What I dont understand is how people dont see that the need is overwhelming, but asked why
healthcare isnt a priority…. I hear its unconstitutional or rather not guaranteed in the constitution, like that absolves them of providing a basic human right. Of course that brings up the forced point that the UN doesnt govern the US… blah blah blah its alll excuses, fear and paranoia


Annie
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 8:54 am

I watched John Stewart expose Betsy McCaughey for the dishonest fool that she is. She was also instrumental in derailing the health care reform efforts of the Clinton administration in 1993.
Even though I am satisfied with my own health insurance at this time, there are others who are going without, and that affects all of us in the form of being forced to help pay for emergency care.
Although I am for health care reform, I can listen to a point of view that is different from mine, but without all the fear-mongering and appeals to ignorance. With her lies and fear-mongering, McCaughey has earned every bit of ridicule that she has been subsequently subjected to.


JimPA
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

I agree with Stephen. Thanks so much for posting. Just wish the post wasn’t buried so deep. The US media lumps all government systems together. I believe the Canada model is more socialized insurance. The doctors are private. Didn’t the Canadian government review your system and made changes in the late 1990s or earlier 2000s?

As stated in my other posts my sister went to Canada for health care and we were blown away by it. Top notch. She was treated for a number of years. I even went up there to talk to an orthopedic doctor about problems with a joint I had after an industrial accident. A doctor in my hometown wanted to try to get the scar tissue out of the joint. I talked to Canada doctor for about 30 minutes. He explained the pluses and minuses. Then we talked about taking care of your joints. The US doctors all seemed so rushed that it was hard to make a good decision without proper information. This was before the internet.

No system is perfect but the Canadian system from my experiences gets misrepresented.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

Finally you are right about something. You Democrats certainly could use
some help.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

Altho Bush had an earpiece and was piped responses, he used a teleprompter…. given the explosion of technology, both in teleprompters and coverage of news reports, blogs, twitter face book etc etc, is the reason for it rather than him needing it because hes GWB 2.
To say he is incompetent, is pathetic. But then not surprising considering the source:)


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

Denying care…..yes . The government is already doing this. google the
story about the woman in Oregon and lung cancer. Oregon is one of the
states where we have government run health care. This as already been tried
in Hawaii as well and it failed.

And, lets talk briefly about the public schools here.

First, don’t get me wrong, there are many great upstanding well run
schools. Many districts have been able to break away.

Then, there is the example of Detroit. A system so corrupt and broken it
is beyond reality. We keep throwing money at the problem and they keep
stealing it.
Our public schools move children up ‘socially’. I have a friend whos son
failed the sixth grade. Parents were called in and told, he failed but
we are promoting him. They fought for him to stay behind, even threatening
legal action. They would not fail him as it was better for him socially
to move forward. Parents said they would rather have him smart than
popular. They lost the fight and had to put him in a private school for him to
repeat the 6th grade. There was nothing the teacher could do and nothing
they can do. Most of them disagree with social promotion but have to do it.

Our test scores as a nation fall further behind every year.
Poorer countries like Poland, the Czech Republic and South Korea are
testing better. American kids do pretty well when they enter public school, but
as time goes on, the worse they do.

Foremost is the government’s monopoly over the school system. Most
parents don’t get to choose where to send their children. Choice fosters
competition, and competition improves performance.
Vouchers have been talked about over time and have been thrown aside every
time. charters, decentralization, and innovative schools are all on what
appears to be permanent hold.

We have no say or rights in our public schools. What helps poor families
is what improves public education: clear, accountable choices and
consequences for school districts that everyone understands — money following
students to where they are best served.

Do I want this same government to take charge of my health care?
The fear here is we will be forced out of choice and into a government run
system that is already over burdened.
I work 2 jobs. I have a choice and I choose to buy health insurance.
Many people can afford it and choose not to buy it. Should we be forced to?

This is something that is springing up here now……Affordable clinics at
Wal-Marts. They have been dispensing free anti biotics for quite some time
now. You can google this information.

I think this kind of option would be better for all of our health.


RNBSN
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

Do you actually know what facism is, seems doubtful.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

I am sure your parents would have loved to make their own decisions, with your (no doubt) able assistance. Either that, or they are unimaginably poor and your are uber wealthy.

The Advance Directives for Health Care, Pumpkin, are NOT government directives!!!! How come you can’t get that through your head? It is an outline that gives a person the opportunity to plan their own end of life care.

If you want to be on life support for 40 years you can do that!!! If you prefer NOT to be of life support until your brain melts you can choose that instead.

By the way, while you are “planning” for everyone else’s lives, please don’t forget to make some decisions for yourself, you uneducated, closed minded, bore.


duckexpatriate
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

bobbybox..Betsy is also articulate, but without substance. Back up your “reasoning” so others have an opportunity to debate.


duckexpatriate
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

“resignation” is a euphemism. Jon took her out in a brilliant smackdown.


joethepiper
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

It is unfortunate that we have to depend on comedy central to bring attention to people like Mccaughey and Cramer — or even the fact that much of the media (both Fox news and CNN) are nothing but PR for politicians and corporations. The Stewart-Mccaughey interview could have been done by someone actually employed as a reporter …. ditto for much of the other stuff that is presented on comedy central. I seriously think that Stewart should become a journalist (but who would he work for?). Then we would have at least one who does his job. He has a greater impact than any of the current personalities I know of on CNN and Fox news.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 24, 2009 @ 2:05 am

Finally, I’m right about something?

Glad to see you finally read one of my posts.

If Democrats could use some help, does this mean Republicans are past the point where life-saving efforts could be worthwhile?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 24, 2009 @ 3:06 am

My only problem with Canada is the fact that the Canadian Mounties showed up in New Orleans after Katrina to help our people before Bush did.

Don’t those Canucks know that we don’t like being beaten on our home court of public opinion?

Lousy good-for-nothing do-gooders who are better at caring for sick people and disaster victims than we are.

I forgave Mexico for sending their people in before Bush did. Mexico is closer to New Orleans than Canada is.


SquallCloud
Comment posted August 24, 2009 @ 12:45 am

Jon Stewart is about 100 times the journalist that the “real” journalists out there are. Yes, she resigned for appearances alright, the company probably was not happy to see their director's buffoonery on Comedy Central for all to point and mock.


monkey99
Comment posted August 24, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

Hey, folks! The truth is, there WILL be healthcare reform. The right has no ideas. Wait til' sept., I'm curious to see the travesty they bring to the table! Their last one was only 4 pages long.
Betsy McCaughey is but one example of their desperateness. Sarah Palin is just a parrot. Their repertoire consists only of misinformation, DISinformation, lies and deception. Not a foundation for correcting the morass they themselves created. Makes one wonder if McCaughey were to read “Horton Hears a Who”, and remark why “War and Peace” was packaged so strangely!
The truth is still the truth, and it will win out. Maybe it already has begun! McCaughey fired from Cantel Medical, and Dick Armey quits Freedomworks.


Name
Comment posted August 24, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

Annie
Very good comment. Finally somebody who is concerned about “the other person who has no health insurance” even though you your self do. I live in Canada with very good health care. Both my husband and I have had excellent care during out bouts with Cancer (Liver him, bowel me)and other sicknesses. I am very concerned for my son and his wife in NC, with our genes, he could not even get insurance IF he could afford it.
Why are most of the Americans so misinformed? Yes I saw that Betsy on Stewards show. She was an embarrassment to your country.
So thanks for your comment.
Trudy


natashawillians
Comment posted August 24, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Just hope the health care reform deniers keep dropping like dead flys!


natashawillians
Comment posted August 24, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

No, now you are an idiot!


monkey99
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 2:07 am

natashawillians,

Hey, you're giving dead flies a bad name! LOL!


JimPA
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 11:50 am

I'm trying to learn more about health care. DO you guys have any good links?

Here are some of mine.
David Goldhill article “How American Health Care Killed My Father”?
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care

“Health Experiences From Around The World — How Do Universal Health Care Systems Compare?”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/health…

“Five Capitalist Democracies and How They Do It”
“Each has a health care system that delivers health care for everyone — but with remarkable differences.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaro…


Trudy
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

http://www.healthactionnow.org/?s_src=20090809_…

JimPA
This is a very good link, even though I am from Canada, left a comment before. But I am very much interested how this healthcare reform will play it self out. Why the Americans oppose this plan I will never understand. I look at this very objectively and I am able to because I am NOT an USA-er.
Hope this will help. Our system is great and don't listen to sensationalism, go right to the source.
I have had cataract surgeries, heart attach, bunions removed, cancer with excellent follow up.and a major surgery 15 y ago. My husband had in 2001 rectum cancer a year later was in the liver. After an operation by an excellent surgeon he is still alive and kicking. We both have follow up for the cancers and me for my eyes. We pay for medication up to a certain point, depending on your income, for the rest this has not cost us anything.
Had we been in the USA, well guess what we'd be living on the street right now.

Please let Obama do his thing, that is why you choose him as President.


Trudy
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Sorry Jim but I left a long comment w link for you


caridwade
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

I am so angry concerning this issue of Nat'l Health Care. I watch the news (CNN) and see these people shaking their fist and yelling at officials claiming that the government wants to take over health care???, there will be death panels, we are becoming a socialist country??? I really don't know what to make of this.
Those angry older white people shaking their fist should step back and reflect. Most of them are 65 or older and I would like for a congressman or senator to just once ask these people if they are willing to remove themselves from the roles of Medicare, or not accept any Vetrans denefit if they are so much aganist socialised medicine. If you're going to talk the talk, be willing to walk the walk.
It's really wierd. THe Republicans seem to me to be so wrapped up in regaining control due to their recent MAJOR political loss, that they have lost sight of what it an attempt to better the condition of the American people.


monkey99
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

caridwade,

I know what you mean. The most eggregious thing these people have done is scare our seniors. This is inexcusable. If what they told were the truth, it wouldn't be so bad, but the disinformation, misinformation and outright lies are their stock-in-trade now, and for the forseeable future.

Look at it this way, there WILL be reform. In what form we don't know yet, but it will happen. 77% of the American people WANT it. The Republicans have no answers. Their last “bill” (if that's what they want to call it) was only 4 pages long. Hardly a serious effort.

I, myself am an Iraq war vet, and I don't believe you should have to risk your life getting shot at, to receive what I have. VA med benefits ARE the best in the world. Guess what? It's universal healthcare!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Hear, hear. And thank you for your service to our country.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:32 am

Do you even know the story of this “terrorist”? the evidence was very weak to start with, and many witnesses changed their stories later. There is a need for compassion in this world, and in Scotland, dying prisoners are allowed to die at home. You call him a heartless killer, but unless you were standing with him while the terrorist act took place, you have no right to judge, because you don’t have a clue!!!


JimPA
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

Trudy – You rock. Thanks so much for the link. I have some friends that watch too much Fox News. I use this information to politely point out the other side.

Your personal story is even better that the link. Thanks so much for sharing it. I hope the best to you and your family.

What Province do you live in? I’ve been to Ontario and Quebec. You have a very beautiful Country.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 4:17 am

There are 81 Republican Lawyers, too!


RNBSN
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Most are so misinformed because they depend on Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, O'Riley, and the likes to give them the “facts”. It is embarrassing how dumbed down Americans have gotten. It is more shameful how disrespectful these people are towards our new President. During 8 years of sheer stupidity, dishonesty, and a slide towards a facist state under the Bush Adm. these people were silent to the crimes being committed. There is a very bad feeling racism brewing once again in this country, and nothing Obama does or says will get these fringe right winged people to accept him.


monkey99
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 4:19 am

stephenperry,

Thank you so much! but you and all other Americans have paid my med bills without complaint, so I feel it's MY duty once more to fight for you!

To all out there like jimPA, there are some useful links that can give a wealth of info about what each of us can do to secure our right to universal healthcare:

Google H.R.676 for the Single-Payer plan, which shows the bill in condensed and full text. Next, I urge all of you to google “Mad as Hell Doctors”, and do what you can for these good people. They are going around the country showing the absolute benefits of the Single-Payer plan, and it's NOT the nation destroyer the Republicans are lying to you about. The Public Option is not much better than the 1,000 page “Healthcare Insurance Industry Protection Act” (my wording) that is currently being “debated” by the gang of six right now.

I just came from a “Mad as Hell Doctors” meeting , and it's the most informative, and confidence building few hours I have spent in a long time!! These doctors are just disgusted with the present situation. Support them, they are supporting US!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 4:53 am

Well, monkey99, in that case, thank you for continuing to carry out your duty to our nation.

We need to get everyone involved in the health care debate, but especially those American citizens who already get government health care. Veterans and senior citizens.

And thanks for the Mad as Hell Doctors information. It's good to know that someone is countering all the disinformation and misinformation out there.


monkey99
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:42 am

stephenperry,

Here, here! Yah, after all the depressing stuff being bandied about in regards to something that is an absolute HUMAN right, these doctors reel that crap in, box it up, and bury it! When you get a chance, go to one! You will not be disappointed!!

There were a lot of seniors at the event tonight, and it was so rewarding to see them happy that no one that either sponsored or held the event was lying to them! On the contrary, there were singers, with funny and engaging songs to lift their spirits! It was great!!

Gads! I'm so pumped up, I'm probably not going to sleep tonight!!


monkey99
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:07 am

Oh, no.

Ted Kennedy just died. Dammit, I'm redoubling my effort now!! He was an American hero! In his name and his memory, I FIGHT ON!


monkey99
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:04 am

In light of Ted Kennedy's passing, I feel it would be wise to repeat a letter I wrote that was denied publishing for it's length, but has a very pertinent point to make regarding healthcare in this country.

“After reading the latest letters in the PDN (Peninsula Daily News, here in WA) op/ed page on healthcare reform these past weeks, I find the ones supporting reform to be hopeful, and I suspect that this hopefulness comes from the failure of the present system to meet their needs. Many of these good folk are housebound. Not because of a personal health problem, but of a family members'. It is for these folk that healthcare reform is for. I have spoken to some of them, and they don't want the universe, just a little help that they are not getting now. It's not enough that they are marginalized, but we put them in homes to be cared for by strangers. My mother will never see the inside of a home of any kind except her own. They have seen the worst (and the best) of the 20th century, and have a lot to tell. Let's not make them suffer through the 21st century, as well.
Conversely, the letters against healthcare reform are rife with erroneous “facts”, misinformation and sprinkled with a little condescension. I would remind these people that they do not insult me when they vilify reform, or those who support reform, but those I speak for here. Please don't deny our seniors what they deserve. The selfishness displayed by those who oppose reform is clearly seen by these good folk. They are not stupid. Yes, the economy is bad, but let's not make it worse by throwing those most cherished by all advanced cultures under the bus. Talk to them, listen to their wisdom. Don't make our seniors suffer because of selfishness. I would entreat the detractors to educate themselves about universal healthcare before rendering a judgement. Watch different TV and radio programming that educates, not feeds hate and fear. It is my view that those who complain about the British or Canadian systems never occupied a bed there. I have. It works. They even let me slide on payment, which they had every right to collect from me, because I was an American. Can you believe that?
All successful industrialized nations have “pockets” of Socialism, Communism and Capitalism interwoven in their societies. We do, as well, which is why I can't understand the fear of reform. The world doesn't end because of healthcare reform. Don't take my word for it, find out! Political persuasion should not be a hurdle to educating one's self to the actual facts. Everything presented against reform has been proven false or misrepresented. Successful universal healthcare is all around us.
I say to our seniors, I won't tell you not to fear death, just don't fear living! You have support!


Jim
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

The one thing I would like to see…what if we do nothing? IIRC, in 10 years Medicare/Medicaid will be broke, more than half the country will be uninsured, insurance premiums will have doubled again, and we will have lost up to 30% of the emergency room capacity across the country. Feel free to correct these numbers, I'm pulling from memory. To me, that's what the pubs stand for…less care for the people who need it most. We really need them to get into this and push for their ideals…I believe we would get a better bill out of congress if they would.


monkey99
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

Jim,

Those numbers mean nothing to the Republicans. If we do nothing, this won't be the United States anymore. It's clear to me what they want- the dissolution of the middle class. Everything they have done from 8 years ago to the present has confirmed this to me. Their underhanded tactics are meant to confuse and divide, which they are led to do by the healthcare insurance industry.

I haven't seen anyone question why, when so many are being denied or dropped, HOW they will manage to stay in business when the rolls get smaller and smaller. I suppose by then, they will be trillionaires, so it won't matter.

We have to get off the cycle of trying to answer these fools and continue the fight the late Sen. Kennedy fought for, for decades. Let's not get sidetracked by the noise. Try googling “Mad as Hell Doctors” and help these good folk to bring justice back to the healthcare field, I.E., the doctors and physicians in this country that your grandparents and even possibly, your parents grew up with, not the specialists, who are just adding to the problem.


JimPA
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

monkey99 – Thanks for your service and links. I'll pass these along to others.

I think it is funny how some of the very people who need this are against it. The only thing that can beat the high priced, professional ad campaign determined to stop health care reform is neighbors talking to neighbors, friends talking to friends. It really is pretty easy.

My one regret is not serving in the military when I was young. I didn’t do my fair share for my Country. This is how I’ll correct that.


JimPA
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

Hey Jim – I agree with you. I'm going to write all my reps (again) tonight.


JimPA
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

I kinda posted this out of order but my reply was buried below.
monkey99 – Thanks for your service and links. I'll pass these along to others.

I think it is funny how some of the very people who need this are against it. The only thing that can beat the high priced, professional ad campaign determined to stop health care reform is neighbors talking to neighbors, friends talking to friends. It really is pretty easy.

My one regret is not serving in the military when I was young. I didn’t do my fair share for my Country. This is how I’ll correct that.


monkey99
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

JimPA,

No, no. No regrets! We are all in this together! Your comments show you care! No one can take that away. Let the fearmongers judge….You should see the crap they're heaping on Sen. Kennedy's name right now on the neocon blogs. THIS is the level of disrespect they show for our honored dead. It is why I fight. They should not call themselves Americans.

You are doing just fine!!


monkey99
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

JimPA,

LOL!! I did the same thing! See my reply below!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

Looks like you need to change your channel! Non medical people in the insurance co. are now telling us what we can and can’t have done, despite our doctor’s recommendations! I assume you want Medicare repealed, after all it is a government run program. So tell our elders that they can do better without it. Insurance co. are making BILLIONs off of us!! Stop being sucked into the lies being told to keep healthcare for all unavailable. It’s only because Ins. people would have to pocket a lot less profit if they had to copmpete with the government program. Don’t forget, no one has to give up their health plan unless they chose to. But those w/o the means to have health ins. would finally have a chance to be covered and receive the same care those insured enjoy. Do you not believe everyone deserves healthcare? It is one of our human rights. We are the only industrialized nation that doesn’t offer this. Since the turn of the century, everytime this has been discussed, scare tactics have been implemented to keep the status quo. First it was a plan by Germany to take over and control us, then later by the Russians. Now it’s “death panels” to scare our elders. This is a crime, and we as Americans must stand up and insist the truth be told, and the proaganda be stopped!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

Looks like you need to change your channel! Non medical people in the insurance co. are now telling us what we can and can’t have done, despite our doctor’s recommendations! I assume you want Medicare repealed, after all it is a government run program. So tell our elders that they can do better without it. Insurance co. are making BILLIONs off of us!! Stop being sucked into the lies being told to keep healthcare for all unavailable. It’s only because Ins. people would have to pocket a lot less profit if they had to copmpete with the government program. Don’t forget, no one has to give up their health plan unless they chose to. But those w/o the means to have health ins. would finally have a chance to be covered and receive the same care those insured enjoy. Do you not believe everyone deserves healthcare? It is one of our human rights. We are the only industrialized nation that doesn’t offer this. Since the turn of the century, everytime this has been discussed, scare tactics have been implemented to keep the status quo. First it was a plan by Germany to take over and control us, then later by the Russians. Now it’s “death panels” to scare our elders. This is a crime, and we as Americans must stand up and insist the truth be told, and the proaganda be stopped!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Bush held the Prince’s hand, but I guess that is ok to you. Believe this, Bush was fed what to say at all times, and when he wasn’t, he made a complete fool of himself. Some day you should take the time to read the “Bushisms” that he made. Totally the most embarrassing president we’ve ever had. However, if he’d shown the compassion to offer everyone a chance to have health care coverage he could’ve redeemed himself. Also, the auto bailout was under the Bush administration. You really need to know the facts before accusing the new president of things the old one did!


RNBSN
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

So true caridwade. I've never seen such immature sore losers. But believe me they are all carrying health ins. so have no idea what it means to be w/o. Democratic people need to put the truth out there as loud as the lies spewed by the glenn becks, Fox “news”, and limbaughs. What a shame that these people feel the need to act like school yard bullies. You know there are studies that show children that were bullies in grade school grew up to be republicans. I am sure there are good republicans out there, but their voices are drowned out by these scare tactics and lies. It's time to stand up for all people, and not just the rich insurance co.!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

Bush held the Prince’s hand, but I guess that is ok to you. Believe this, Bush was fed what to say at all times, and when he wasn’t, he made a complete fool of himself. Some day you should take the time to read the “Bushisms” that he made. Totally the most embarrassing president we’ve ever had. However, if he’d shown the compassion to offer everyone a chance to have health care coverage he could’ve redeemed himself. Also, the auto bailout was under the Bush administration. You really need to know the facts before accusing the new president of things the old one did!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

omg are you insane eliaslyn01?


jolosturo
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

If she is not a, well-paid, pawn of Cantel Medical Corp., (and/or other Medical Corps.), I would be very surprised. Anybody who would so voratiously attack Public Options in Health Care after shortly “resigning” their position, (which I'm sure is waiting for her, with bells on), and can't really make her point without falling apart, more than likely isn't a true believer, but can be bought and paid to spout her nonsense for anyone with the right price and position for her.


jolosturo
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Yes–the Republicans' attitude seems to be, “Let them eat cake.”


jolosturo
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

You would think the Republicans would have learned by now–the misinformation highway doesn't seem to work. It is how they conducted their campaign against President Obama in the months leading up to the election and now they are at it again–with a fury! It seems to just get the left and center all worked up to fight all the dirty tactics that we see as so very unfair and inaccurate. Tsk, tsk.


jolosturo
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

The “angry older white people” are so brainwashed by the right wing “news” shows and all the misinformation they are fed on those shows, (on TV and on the radio), that they don't even realize they are hurting themselves. Most of them are working class “schlubs” (like me), who don't have insurance or are underinsured, because they can't afford it. Do they understand the impact of what they are doing, by fighting against something that would benefit them? No–because as long as they're being sold a bill of goods by the politicians, (through their well-paid “news” flunkies), who make very good money off of the insurance giants, hospitals, the AMA, etc., these 'Joe six-packs” will never have the proper information to make an informed decision. It's very sad.


monkey99
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

jolosturo,

LOL! After this last few weeks, don't you think though, that “lemmings to the sea!” would be more apt?


jolosturo
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 9:29 am

There is a rally up in Jax tonight. 6PM polits, then 7:30 rally at Hemming Park, across from City Hall, near new library. Be there or be square.


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