National Poll: Only 36 Percent of Republicans Say Obama Was Born in America

[...] H/T: David Weigel [...]

So, you’re saying he sounds like a Republican? Thanks for clearing that up.

Is that an attack against capitalism? Because, I gotta say, I like capitalism. Capitalism is what made us so powerful. Here’s why socialism sucks:

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
but had once failed an entire class.

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That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK,
we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering,
blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that.

But the State of hawaii says that he was born in Honolulu.

and the birthers have no evidence to contradict that. (other than a forged Kenyan BC)

[...] But only 7% of Americans think Obama was born in Kenya! The rest are just inventing their own personal crazy stories made up of words they’ve heard on the radio, or something. “10% of the country thinks that he was born in Indonesia,” where the President did at least live for a time, as a child. But: 1% think he was born in the Philippines! That one defies explanation. [...]

[...] The Washington Independent » National Poll: Only 36 Percent of … By David Weigel obama may have been born in hawaii…. however, we are not positive as to the year? hawaii was a territory in 1957-59…he claims to have been born in 1961…when hawaii was a state…lets see the originial birth certificate….why … The Washington Independent – http://washingtonindependent.com/ [...]

Ah yes, pesky details, like:
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

To base one’s argument on a crudely forged document is bad; to call it “informed,” that’s just terribly sad…

“But the state of Hawaii says he was born in Honolulu.”

That may be good enough for a trusting soul like you, but I’d like to see his CERTIFICATE of Live Birth just to be sure. I keep telling you guys, it’s the only way this will go away.

[...] But only 7% of Americans think Obama was born in Kenya! The rest are just inventing their own personal crazy stories made up of words they’ve heard on the radio, or something. “10% of the country thinks that he was born in Indonesia,” where the President did at least live for a time, as a child. But: 1% think he was born in the Philippines! That one defies explanation. [...]

Kenya is not an outlying possession of the United States. I’ve failed to see your point.

Which document are you saying is forged? The Kenyan BC? I’m still waiting for the hard evidence of the forgery. You’ve probably seen the “you been punk’d” version. Look closely. You’ll notice the creases don’t line up on the two documents if you look at them side by side. Again, the court never even accepted it because of a filing error on the part of the attorney. She can re-submit it, and I’m sure she will. I don’t claim the Kenyan BC is real, because the courts need to authenticate it.

Quite wrong!

“I am not aware of any birth certificate records that have been destroyed by the department,” Janice Okubo, public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, told WND. “When the department went electronic in 2001, vital records, whether in paper form or any other form, [were] maintained. We don’t destroy records.”

Okubo affirmed that beginning in 2001, all vital records, including birth records, moved to electronic formats.

“Any records that we had in paper or any other form before 2001 are still in file within the department,” she insisted. “We have not destroyed any vital statistics records that we have.”

As for your statement: “No difference between a “certificate and a “certification,” I’d love to know where I can find a record of the government changing their birth documentation procedure. Can you cite a credible source for that statement?

What does that even mean? Sorry, there was no mention of republicans in this thread. You can bash those turncoats all you want as far as I’m concerned, I just don’t see the relevance of it in this particular thread.

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I'm no birther but Barry Soetoro was the name that Obama used to register for school while in Indonesia.

It really is amazing given the fact that he IS the President of the United States. What is not being asked here is what of the 36%?. Do they somehow give credence to incredulity here? Barack Obama was vetted by the most rigorous of vetting processes prior to and during his candidacy. The persistent rumors and “polls” suggest that there is nothing more to this “belief” than to inject bias in 2012, when he is up for re-election. The right will stop at nothing to preserve, protect, and defend the United States of Haves and Have-nots.

I like the way the press put in “how does it break down by RACE”… does it matter..?? What does RACE have to do with it..?? Now that we have a black president “race” is injected into everything… I think we were less racist before the black president… at least we didn't bring up “race” in everything…

Running out of stuff to stick the right with huh? Back to the good ole 'he wudent born hair' deal. Get a life. In fact; Left & Right,…get lives…..idoits…..

I don't know where he was born but it would seem an easy thing to produce his original birth certificate, which officials in Hawaii say exists, instead of a computer generated printed copy. His reluctance to do this is why there are still questions. I suspect that there is some detail on the original that he does not want published.

Come on people. This is ridiculous and makes us all look ignorant.

Even if he was born outside the United States, he's still a US Citizen by birth (since his mother was a US Citizen). It simply does not matter if he was born in Hawaii, Indonesia, Kenya, Philippines or even Afghanistan. Birthers– get a life!

Well, Larry, the only real detail that you need to know is the one on the COLB, You know the one that says: “City, Town, or Location of birth: Honolulu.”

Nothing more needs to be said.

That doesn't make it his proper name today.

I know someone who thinks he was born in manger.

Nonsense. I can't get a copy of my “original birth certificate” from the city of New york any more, only a computer duplicate signed with their seal. Thirty years ago, I could get a white-on-black photostat. That doesn't make the current one any less valid.

obama may have been born in hawaii…. however, we are not positive as to the year? hawaii was a territory in 1957-59…he claims to have been born in 1961…when hawaii was a state…lets see the originial birth certificate….why would he keep something as innocent as his birth certificate under wraps…i may be a silly old guy, but sometimes politicians don't tell the truth.

It's a known fact that half of all Americans have below average inteligence.

In addition, about 1 in 6 is greater than 1 standard deviation from the norm. In other words, if you have six random people, odds are that one of them will be way smarter than the rest, and another one will be a republican.

so…the president of the united states…doesn't have anything better to do…than produce his birth certificate for people…that are claiming for whatever reason…that he wasn't born in the United States….

wow. america is so stupid.

Maybe he's a strange visitor from another planet. Seriously, if the fact that the state of Hawaii has explained this in detail at least twice hasn't satisfied these people, then clearly no evidence will satisfy them and this is simply a kind of religious belief. Like a belief that the Earth is flat or is only 6,000 years old. Maybe they need a few more layers of tin foil in their hats.

No one can be “born” in a manger. (not if you mother is a normal sized human being) A manger is the food box.

This is so easy to settle, just get the long original vault copy of the birth certificate. Put it in the national archives. It makes this all stop and go away. Having the zealots point at a green laser printed copy extracted from a human generated database just makes them look like the disciples they are. A real investigator would never accept that and a real court would count it as hearsay circumstantial evidence at best. Political correctness aside and the shameful behavior of trying to denigrate anyone that fires a neuron and has the courage to ask for the original document a birther, it is time to just get the original out and meet the Constitutional requirement clearly. This administration is starting to make us look like a third world country. Stop the controversy now. If you can order the launch of nuclear weapons you should be able to complete some paperwork.

he wasn't ??

He was born in 1961. That is the year that the State recorded his birth as. Besides, even if he was born in 1957, it wouldn't matter. He would still be a natural born citizen since hawaii was a U.S. territory under the jurisdiction of U.S. laws and the U.S. Constitution.

Besides, John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone…

Call the MiB

Interesting “journalism”. You say that Republicans 'believe' he was born elsewhere, while Dems and Independents 'know' he was born in the USA. It's an act of faith either way, as he has never provided his birth certificate. I believe it's most likely that he was born in Hawaii. The newspapers from that time period seem to support it (unless it's a conspiracy that was started 47 years ago). I still cannot understand why he has not released the original version. He's either brilliant or desperate. He has also never released any of his college transcripts or writings. Again, that's just strange and it gives the impression that he's hiding something (whether he is or not).

But more to the point, the article is seriously slanted. I notice that he fails to mention that 20% of blacks believe he was born outside of the USA or or unsure. (it's in the table, but no comments on that little tidbit of info).

There is also no mention of the fact that roughly 40% of the birthers are Dems or Independents.

Weigel must be hoping for a WH job.

===”a real court would count it as hearsay circumstantial evidence at best.”===

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the COLB issued by the state of Hawaii is legal proof, valid in ANY court of law.

A manger is also a Christian symbol, associated with nativity scenes where Mary placed the baby Jesus in a manger. (Luke 2:7).

I wonder what percentage of Republicans know that Hawai is a state. I'll bet a polls results would be shocking.

===”as he has never provided his birth certificate. “===

Yes he has, and you know it. Stop lying.

I didn't say he was born in a manger. I said I know some one who thinks he was – he didn't say he knew he was he said he 'thinks' he was.

===”But more to the point, the article is seriously slanted. I notice that he fails to mention that 20% of blacks believe he was born outside of the USA or or unsure. (it's in the table, but no comments on that little tidbit of info).”===

Reading comprehension is not your strong point, I see.

It’s only 9%. You can not equate “no” with “not sure.”

Anyway, since 15% of the population are literally stupid, regardless of race, creed, or political party, that end of the spectrum is meaningless.

Yeah, like I said, it's the hay trough. He was born in the stable and placed in the manger.

The issue isn't if he's a citizen. It's if he's a natural born citizen. There is a difference. Arnold Schwartzenegger is a citizen, but he could never be president because he was born in Austria.

The main problem is you don't have to PROVE anything to run for president, just sign an affadavit that says you're eligible. That's why Mr. Posey introduced a bill to require a birth certificate to run.

If you really want this to go away, tell your boy to produce an original Vault BC. I can almost guarantee Mr. Obama/Soetoro is hiding something, or is it common practice to seal all of your college records when you're running for office? Not the transparency we were promised is it?

…on a US military base while his parents were stationed there – that makes him a natural-born US citizen. That's almost as good as being born in a manger, right?

Is yours missing the Doctor's name, and hospital you were born at too?

OK. That's the last straw!

He was registered there as a Muslim, even though he claims he never was one. From what I've seen he ain't much of a Christian either. Did he pick that new church yet?

u shouldn't call someone a liar just because they're an ignorant twit!

OMG…. Fox News and the Republicans have lost it…It seems that they can't or won't read (Health Care Bill), I tried to watch Fox News and I thought I was watching a News Show of one of those tabloids where they show a woman with 3 heads or some out of this world story.

Nothing they say is true and yet they keep on telling more lies. YFox News Polls are no where near what national Polls read.

Oh.. What am I saying.. Fox was built by Rupert Murdock..They man that owns all of those tabloids.

==” The issue isn't if he's a citizen. It's if he's a natural born citizen. There is a difference. Arnold Schwartzenegger is a citizen, but he could never be president because he was born in Austria.”===

There are only two (2) types or classifications of citizenship. If you were a citizen at birth, then you are an natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, therefore, he was a citizen at birth and a natural born citizen. The only other type or class of citizenship is “naturalized.” If you were not born a U.S. citizen, but became one later in life, i.e. the governator, then you are a naturalized citizen.

How hard is that to understand.

Natural born = innate at birth.

The U.S. has NEVER made any legal distinction as to the citizenship status of the parents.

Thus a child born to a 14 year old illegal alien in the slums of New York is just as much a natural born citizen as you or I. Too bad if you don’t like that, but that is one of the cornerstones of the principles of egalitarianism that this country was founded on.

I wanted to see the one with his doctor, hospital, just like the one I have.

Are you asking the state of New York to violate federal HIPAA laws?

Who cares?

And besides…. and besides… O for God Sake!!! Somebody makes them give it UP already!!! There's noone in his right mind who is still thinking about this crap. Wait… 'in his right mind'… would that be the key word here…???

Too bad. You have no legal right to see it.

Duh, sory. mi bad ;)

Yeah, well what if his mama was straddling that hay trough and grunted really hard and screamed really load and out plopped Obama from his mama right into that manger. It coulda' happened that way – you don't know.

Who could be such a blind follower? Maybe someone who thinks a politician is incapable of corruption, even though he's from Chicago, been tied to unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers, sealed all of his college records while preaching transparency.

First: damn skippy it doesn't include that info. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/40029571@N00/38380…

Second: this is Hawaii's standard form, not one they made up to preserve the great conspiracy. Look at any other certificate issued by the state today. For that matter, look at the New York City form I attached.

Hah hah, Your's was issued by the New York Department of health and mental Hygene. . . ;)

—He has also never released any of his college transcripts or writings.—

Frankly, who cares?

NEVER? Really? What's this I found? I know you probably don't want to read all of it, it has all those pesky details. My point is in (g). The Obama Momma was 18 Right? Well, then 5 years after the age of fourteen (5+14)=19.

CHAPTER 1-NATIONALITY AT BIRTH AND BY COLLECTIVE NATURALIZATION
301 NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH
SEC. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

actually, he hasn't. What he has provided was NOT the original, or even a photocopy of it. Look, I'm not saying he wasn't born in Hawaii. To the contrary, he probably was based on other info. I was simply commenting that it was strange to that he won't provide it. It just invites cynicism.

And you are right, I have no 'right' to it. But I have a right to ASK him to make it public (if I wanted to). If it's okay for the police to ask for you to provide your drivers license to show you have the right to drive legally, is it so insane to ask the POTUS so show the single most reliable document to put the issue to rest?

It's curious that I tried to make respectful observations, yet your quickly resort to name calling and degradation. That seems to be the trend lately. Anyone who questions the POTUS must be an idiot or an ultra-right-wing whack job.

So, is there ANYONE who is allowed to question the POTUS or the Dem controlled congress without being blasted?

Isn't this exactly what the problem was during the BUSH years? Nobody allowed to question him without being called unpatriotic or risking American safety. It's not the party that was the problem, it was the unbridled power. Don't think for a minute that it's not just as dangerous on the other end of the spectrum.

Don't make the same mistake the R's did (follow blindly, without ever questioning if it was best for the USA).

PEACE

Wow! That's a neat CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. That's not what birthers are asking for. They're asking for a CERTIFICATE of live birth.

Read the top line of your certification: “This is a certification of name and birth facts on file in the office of vital records.”

The “birth facts on file” would be your original Vault Copy birth certificate, which will show the doctor and hospital.

In case anyone wants the actual facts of this matter – just the facts, no speculation, no tinfoil hat theories, and no lies such as Weigel engages in – see my extensive coverage. If you do a find for Weigel at that page, you'll see an example of him just making things up.

Preach on brother!

Mine was destroyed in a fire and I can't get a copy of it any more. But even them it doesn't matter – you have no right to see someone else's, no matter who they are.

Further proof of our deteriorating educational standards…

There is no difference between a “certificate” and a “certification” — they're all called certifications now.

And “on file” in this case means “in computer records” — where that information is NOT preserved.

Note that this is NOT issued by the State of New York — New York City does its own.

Clearly you weren't educated in the good New York City public schools where I was – since you don't know the difference between “your” and “you're,” nor can you spell “hygiene.” What bumfuck hick town were you bred in?

Actually, I don't have a problem comprehension. I may type to fast and leave a typo from time to time. 20% of Blacks either think he was born elsewhere or are simply not sure. The sentence is pretty clear. Meaning that only 80% believe he was born in the US (from among a population group where he garnered 90+ percent of the vote).

But you seem to have no problem with equating doubters with the “15% of the population are literally stupid”. And I suppose the other 5% of those with some doubts are only not literally stupid… but maybe just marginally stupid.

The truth is that by not providing the original, it gave many the impression that he had something to hide. Much like when Bush couldn't provide full documentation of his military service.

To my knowledge, we've never had a POTUS who has refused to reveal his college transcripts or writings. Possible, but not that I have read about. It's just unusual and invites speculation. Much like Cheney not revealing who was in the energy policy meetings. Maybe nothing happened at all, but it sure gives the impression that there is something that needs to be hidden.

These cannot be partisan issues. It not in our best interest. You are right, 15% of the population might be stupid, but I wonder if it's made up of those standing in the liberal and conservative end-zones, while the other 85% are in the middle somewhere moving back and forth based on the issues.

===actually, he hasn't. What he has provided was NOT the original, or even a photocopy of it.===

What he provided was the official, certified document. If you don't like it, too bad, so sad.

LOL, you are a birthaloon through and through.

I'm Mr. Obama's employer. I want to verify his eligibility to serve. McCain had no problem putting his CERTIFICATE of Live Birth out there for the country to see. I'm sorry I don't trust government as much as you do.

Quite right. The computer database is now the official state record, not the original paper copies or in most cased the microfiche copy (most states don't even keep the paper copies around anymore).

Funny thing about that COLB: Father's race: African

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we were that PC in 1961. I'm pretty sure that should say “negro.” I guess whoever forged it couldn't bring themselves to type in those 5 letters.

Funny thing about that COLB: Father's race: African

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we were that PC in 1961. I'm pretty sure that should say “negro.” I guess whoever forged it couldn't bring themselves to type in those 5 letters.

“(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions…”
That part may require another read on your part. And, possibly a dictionary to look up “outside.”

OK, then go to the people in charge of the info, the Hawaiian DOH. Oh, look they issued a certified document stating that he was born in Honolulu.

Nativity porn?

I find this story, like so many of our political debates, to be like heroin; addictive and yet totally destructive. I think that people on both sides are happy to have a place to vent their anger, misplaced or not. I'm not judging, because I obviously am participating myself, but the right seems to be shouting “No fair, no fair,” while the left is happy to have an easy target to attack as “nut-jobs.” My real question is that for all of our energy, are we really having an effect on the cultural war, or is this simply an self-indulgent form of entertainment and emotional release?

Ya, without any supporting documentation, you believe Obama was born outside of the US.

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF YOUR BELIEF!!!!

Good lord.

Did you wet yourself when the fake Kenyan BC was released? I am sure you did. Anything that gives you an ounce of relief that a black man can't be POTUS.

Did you cry when the Fake Kenyan BC was declared a fraud? Poor thing…OBAMA IS STILL POTUS.

You can have your fantasies about Obama being marched out of the WH in handcuffs, but unless you prove to Congress that Obama isn't a NBC, your hopes are nothing. And Congress has declared that Obama was born in Hawaii.

So, since Obama was born in the US, shouldn't you find some other crap to believe in?

Give me a break. If the document is forged, then why haven't the Hawaiian republican officials in charge of enforcing the law, prosecuted Obama for fraud. It would be easy enough for them to verify that the COLB does not match the data in their records.

WHY WHY WHY?????

“…i may be a silly old guy, but sometimes politicians don't tell the truth.”
True, possibly on both counts, but, sometimes people who say things like the president wasn't born in the U.S. don't tell the truth, either.

You're again missing the point. Birthers (the informed ones) believe he was born in Kenya! I know it's complicated, but try and keep up.

You might be putting too much stock in that silly poll. Not even a 1000 Person sample. And, it's only in Virginia. Not exactly a cross-section of the country.

—(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; —

That would include Obama, since he was born in Honolulul.

I think it is good that the birfoons still worry and fret about this crap. It keeps them occupied. And it keeps them from doing anything politically constructive, thus making things a whole lot easier for us Democrats…the ones in power.

So fret away birfoons. Your doing me, other Democrats, Congress and Obama a huge favor.

WOW! A certified document? You mean like a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth? Because, I'm looking for the CERTIFICATE of Live Birth. Not another politician promising me I'm not being lied to.

You're not the least bit curious as to why he's sealed all of his records? You're pretty trusting. Can I have the keys to your car? I just want to look at it. I won't steal it. You can trust me too! I can tell you what hospital I was born in if that helps.

“Anyone who questions the POTUS must be an idiot or an ultra-right-wing whack job.”
No, not at all. Anyone who keeps repeating proven falsehoods is “an idiot or an ultra-right-wing whack job,” and possibly both.

You poor fool, the COLB is the official Hawaiian document, the ONLY official document and has been since 2001. So are you saying that children born after 2001 in Hawaii can never grow up to be POTUS?

I've never stated that I think BHO was born outside the U.S. Perhaps you have me confused with the voices in your mind?

“To my knowledge, we've never had a POTUS who has refused to reveal his college transcripts or writings. Possible, but not that I have read about. It's just unusual and invites speculation. Much like Cheney not revealing who was in the energy policy meetings.”
Yeah, planning to divvy up Iraq's oil fields after your illegal is exactly the same…

Here's a fun question: is Hawaii legally a U.S. state? A minor league, Beltway establishment sycophant like Weigel would reflexively say yes. However, there appears to be a non-loony argument for the other side.

Oh, yeah, your one of those who think that you can only be a citizen if your parents were citizens.

And a grade A attention whore.

Now you are reaching . . . .

Dismantle disinformation:

Kenyan BC – Never authenticated/discredited through the court. It was rejected for being filed improperly, and can be re-submitted for authentication.

Congress declared Obama born in Hawaii – A non binding resolution at the end of a bill, not a formal declaration of the Congress.

You're wrong.

Race is self-reported.

All birthers will tell you the same thing when you ask how to make this go away.

Obama must produce a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth. Surely our fearless leader could produce this.

The “other side” that Hawaii is not a state, and it's “non-loony”? Is even Orly that detached?

So you're trying to tell me the State of Hawaii no longer keeps track of what Hospital you were born in, the physician that delivered you? I've got a feeling you're blowing smoke up my @$$ on this one. Cite your source for this info so I can check into it.

Still pushing that obviously fake “Kenyan” “birth certificate”? Disseminating disinformation is tough work, ain't it?

Please tell me where you found that information? Anytime any form for school asked me for my race, I had to check a box. Never seen a Gov't form where they let you “write-in” your own race.

If you can produce a court document stating that the Kenyan BC is a fraud, I'll concede my point.

Be sure to supply the dockett #

Actually, idiot, I've mainly concentrated on the cert issue, specifically the fact that the MSM has continually lied about that issue. There's a link to my coverage above; try reading it before commenting on it.

Who should they charge? Daily Kos? Fight the Smears? For what? This is the internet, not a government entity, and certainly not a court of law. That's why.

BTW- The republicans are lower than democrats in my book. I trust them even less. Bush ran as a fiscal conservative, but when huge spending bills came across his desk he forgot what a VETO was. GW Doubled Clinton's spending (excluding wartime expenditures), so not the conservative everyone voted for now is he. The democrats are at least honest about putting us in debt.

Who should they charge? Daily Kos? Fight the Smears? For what? This is the internet, not a government entity, and certainly not a court of law. That's why.

BTW- The republicans are lower than democrats in my book. I trust them even less. Bush ran as a fiscal conservative, but when huge spending bills came across his desk he forgot what a VETO was. GW Doubled Clinton's spending (excluding wartime expenditures), so not the conservative everyone voted for now is he. The democrats are at least honest about putting us in debt.

It might help that he actually was African.
It might also help that Hawaii wasn’t chock full of Cletuses like yourself who fussed that it didn’t outright say ‘n—-r’.

Try giving birth sometime.

On the Internet, you can find COLBs with such “races” as “American” and “Japanese.”

I am convinced that Obama cannot produce a satisfactory long-form birth certificate to prove he is eligible to serve as President. He certainly would have produced it by now to discredit anyone who might question his citizenship – the so-called “right wing lunatics.” His reluctance to produce the document is feuling this controversy. Can't wait for the truth to come out on this one!

Nothing untrue ever came from the internet. You need to be more specific. I doubt you have a credible source, seeing how American, Japanese, Mexican, etc. are nationalities and not races. Point me to the COLBs you're talking about so I can see for myself. If you've read any of my posts here, you should know I'm not gonna let you make a statement without backing it up…………I eagerly await your reply.

So by your logic since I have decided there is nothing you can produce that will prove you aren't an armed and dangerous felon, its obvious you are on the run from the police, right?

The race card, falls at last. That means either you’re getting emotional, you know I’m winning, or both. Keep those race cards coming. I don’t see you winning this argument, so it’s all you have left to throw at me.

The Prince of All Birfers really has tripped his mental circuitbreaker. Time for him to go somewhere secure and padded.

Matt,

Since you're so into logic, please explain the logic of spending money on lawyers to fight his eligibility lawsuits, when he could just release the BC for about $15.00.

Obots, I'm disappointed. I come here with sources and facts, you come with hearsay from cable news. Believe me, I want Obama to be eligible to serve, but I'm not gonna take some Hawaiian lady's word for it, or yours. I really want to be proven wrong about our alleged Usurper President. So far I've received no credible sources for the arguments against birthers. If you're gonna challenge my position, bring some sources and facts to back it up. I'm not gonna take your word for it, and you should research everything I say for yourself. I will provide sources, unlike the Obotomy victims.

I notice you ignored the fact that the racist nutjobs who believe this idiocy ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE ANY BIT OF PROOF.

And I want to clarify when you say “release” the birth certificate I am assuming you mean OTHER than the one that has been released for over a year and has been certified as authentic by every credible organization and sane person who has seen it?

The fact that you would claim it has yet to be released shows you have no intention of accepting ANYTHING as legitimate proof. You had no business demanding it before and the fact that you have no intention of actually admitting you being a complete idiot in this makes your demand even less justifiable.

Besides I don't talk to people on the run from the police.

I've seen no credible evidence that your family tree forks.

Why should we do your work for you? Show us the court document stating that the Kenyan BC is real.

Why would we want to make it go away? The COLB was the greatest thing to drag the hoods and armbands out of your closets since the Civil Rights Act.

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Please, keep the personal attacks coming. It only makes you and your position look weak. I suppose when facts and logic are against you, name-calling is your fallback. That probably worked for you on the playground, but here in the big boy world, you need more than snide insults to win an argument.

For the zillionth time, the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's website is NOT a “Birth Certificate” which is an entirely different document based on the facts recorded and signed by the physician and nurse in attendance at the actrual birth.

Instead the Cetificate of Live Birth is a document made available to Hawaiian immigrants born outside the U.S. At the time of Obama's birth, it was freely issued to immigrants born outside the U.S. for purposes of employment and dirver's license much as state issued ID's are used today.

The electronic copy of the “Certificate of Live Birth” posted on Obama's website, even if it is legitimate, (which it is obviously not) documents only Obama's live birth somewhere in the world. It does not specifiy the place of birth and actually is further proof of his non-natural born citizenship.

As a result of his father's Kenyan (Acutally British) citizenship, Obama will never be a 'natural born citizen' as required by the U.S. Constitution and if our Supreme Court was less corrupt and more courageous about being called ''racist'' by the liberal media, he would already have been removed from office. It's the law in which he is supposed to be an expert.

The only reason for him to continue to conceal the Hawaiian birth records is that he was born outside the U.S. and as a result of his mother's age (17-18) she could not have been conferred her American citizenship, thus he is a citizen of Britain which was in control of Kenya at the time.

The guy's a fraud. He should be arrested and Jailed for defrauding the American public of his salary and benefits plus the expenditure of trillions of tax payer dollars.

Madoff's crimes pale in comparison.

First of all, playing the race card is an interesting choice of attack. I wonder how Alan Keyes would respond to this. He's a racist too huh? You do realize he's a plantiff in one of the eligibility lawsuits, don't you?

Also, what do you define as a credible organization?

As for proof I'll accept: http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

That right there is a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth, not a CERTIFICATION. They do exist, and unless Obama is lying, he has one with his name, the doctor's name, and the hospital of his birth. If you look at the date, it's very close to Obama's supposed birthday.

Am I really asking that much of a man we're supposed to trust with my country? It's certainly cheaper than his high-priced lawyers trying to block all of these lawsuits on technicalities and clerical errors. There are too many red flags. His paternal grandmother said he was born in Kenya. His half-sister Maya said he was born at one hospital, then another. Which time was she telling the truth? Was she telling the truth at all? How could he attend school in Indonesia without renouncing his citizenship? He's sealed all of his records. The one college paper that did leak out was about how we should bow down to the Soviet Union and accept them having superior firepower. He runs all over the world apologizing America. His wife wasn't proud of America until her husband had a standing in the polls. This has a stench of treason, worse than America has ever seen. He's broken promises: No lobbyists in his administration, yeah, right. He said he'd post bills online and give the citizens 5 days to read them before he signed them, then he crammed huge spending bills down the pipe before we could even react.

He's associated himself with radicals and unrepentant terrorists. He traveld to Pakistan when Americans weren't exactly welcome there. He rushes to silence and discredit dissent, even though the people have a right to speak. His website's attempt to clarify the healthcare bill cites nothing in the bill. No page numbers, nothing. Just “take their word for it.” Meanwhile the supposed “disinformation in fishy e-mails” cites page numbers, and you can find exactly what they're talking about in the bill.

One document could put an end to the controversy: $15
Shutting up “birthers” and myself: Priceless

I've already stated the BC hasn't been authenticated because of a mistake in the filing process. It will be re-filed. Until then, it's anyone's guess.

Wow. Aren't we presumptuous?

I can make an assumption about you. You're probably not a real sheriff, and your racist attacks only prove you can't debate me logically. You and Matt Taylor should get together and have a name-calling conference.

Got this on an email push for right-wing bloggers.

– — – — –
Try and guess Who This Is

* I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country. I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.

* I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me. My mother died at an early age from cancer.

* Later in life, questions arose over my real name.

* My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.

* I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional beliefs and didn’t follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.

* I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.

* That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.

* I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my father abandoned me as a child.

* I became active in local politics in my 30s then with help behind the scenes; I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.

* I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.

* I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances. This bolstered my ego.

* At first, my political campaign focused on my country’s foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and seized every opportunity to bash my country.

* But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views on the country’s economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.

* I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks and corporations. I decided to start making citizens hate them and if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.

* I called mine “A People’s Campaign” and that sounded good to all people.

* I was the surprise candidate because I emerged both from outside the traditional path of politics and was able to gain widespread popular support.

* I knew that, if I merely offered the people “hope,” together we could change our country and the world.

* So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor, and ignorant to include “persecuted minorities.” My true views were not widely known and I needed to keep them unknown, until after I became my nation’s leader.

* I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings and examined those people I associated with.

* I’m glad they didn’t. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the world learned the truth!

Who is this guy?
– — – — –

Anybody surprised to read “Adolf Hitler”?

And now the Obamaphiles will try to invoke Godwin's Law and close the discussion.

Well, Matt ain't “so into logic” in the first place, dydi.

Y'see, it's a logical impossibility to prove a negative proposition (“you aren't an armed and dangerous felon”). What would have to be proven is that the “you” in question are “an armed and dangerous felon.”

Just as those of us on the constitutional side of the qualification issue demand of the Obamaphiles proof that Barry Soetoro is qualified (under Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the U.S. Constitution) to have run for, be elected to, and serve in the position of President of these United States.

The burden of proof is on Matt and the rest of his butt-slurping Obamaphile buddies. They've got to prove that their Mombasa Messiah is a natural born citizen of these United States.

You're just calling the question, like a good, conscientious, constitutionally sensitive American citizen.

By the way, it's no longer the “birth certificate” issue.

It's the qualification issue, as in “prove that Cook County machine politician is qualified to be occupying the public office he presently usurps, you socialist sons of random fathers.”

BHO's mother Stannie Dunham was born in Kansas and later moved to Hawaii with her parents. She started college there at age 17 and became sexually active with the first & only biracial student who was a Kenyan-Brit named Obama. After first semester she was quite pregnant & the two were married even though another wife was waiting in Africa. That summer the newlyweds took a trip to Kenya when Stannie was about 7mos. along. Although Grandma Obama claimed to have been present at BHO's birth in Kenya the accepted account is that Stannie was somehow able to return to Honolulu in a DC3 propjob by August 4, 1961 & gave birth to Junior(reportedly at one of 2 hospitals). Senior returned to college there & Stannie, who still wasn't a legal adult, went off to the state of Washington w/o Junior for the Fall semester. An image of a Hawaiian COLB for BHO is available online which claims there at least once was an original Birth Certificate on file there and that BC was almost certainly from Hawaii(a state notorious for handing out BCs to those born elsewhere). Wasn't too long before the Obamas split-up. In a further attempt to make her parents proud young Stannie went off to Indonesia w/Junior, renounced her US citizenship & married another moslem named Lolo Soetoro. Alledgedly Soetoro adopted young Barry so he could attend school as an Indonesian-Moslem and learn to write his new name in Arabic. About five years later ten-year-old Barry was sent to temporarily stay with the Dunhams but they raised him to adulthood while Stannie had little sis Maya and proceeded to divorce Soetoro. Many cases have been brought against BHO challenging his eligibilty to even run for president. The Supreme Court has rejected them all for various reasons. Why hasn't Obama/Soetoro counter-sued for libel? Probably because then he would have to produce the documents and records in question with whatever info it is he doesn't want made public.

For considerable detail, attention is drawn to The Obama Timeline:

Part One

Part Two (ongoing from April 30, 2009)

References (most of them actively linked to sites online)

“Share and enjoy!”

People in hell wanted ice water. They didn’t get it, either.

People in hell wanted ice water. They didn’t get it, either.

You’re not his employer. You can want whatever you like. Want some ice cream while you’re at it; it’s gonna be a hot day.

He does not have to verify anything to you. If he decides on a new war strategy, he does not have to run it by you first.

Being the President is nifty. You have all these things to do. And a lot of things you can do if you want. But nowhere in your job description does it say “Prove to American people that you’re American, once you’ve already taken the Oath of Office.”

We got all the proof we needed before we decided to vote for the guy. Losing an election SUCKS, huh?

He’s The Decider, not The Document Producer. Get that through your dented skull.

You’re not his employer. You can want whatever you like. Want some ice cream while you’re at it; it’s gonna be a hot day.

He does not have to verify anything to you. If he decides on a new war strategy, he does not have to run it by you first.

Being the President is nifty. You have all these things to do. And a lot of things you can do if you want. But nowhere in your job description does it say “Prove to American people that you’re American, once you’ve already taken the Oath of Office.”

We got all the proof we needed before we decided to vote for the guy. Losing an election SUCKS, huh?

He’s The Decider, not The Document Producer. Get that through your dented skull.

From the editors of the National Review Online:

“The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMzQxYmEzNjA2YWIwOTU4YWVjNzRmODE2NTI=
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Or, you can try on the Wall Street Journal’s editorial:

“But a “controversy” has arisen over President Obama’s birthplace. We use those scare quotes advisedly, because there’s no real dispute over the matter, just some nuts with a conspiracy theory, a handful of Republican lawmakers who have been either foolish or fearful enough to lend some credibility to the theory, and Democrats who have spotted an excellent opportunity to make the GOP look foolish.

Liberal Blogger Greg Sargent, his glee unconcealed (“Okay, this is getting really good”) and entirely justified, explains that the resolution “seems designed to put House GOPers who are flirting with birtherism in a jam”:

[It] confronts House GOPers with a choice: They can vote for the measure, and endorse the idea that Obama was born in Hawaii, which could earn the wrath of birthers. Or they can vote against commemorating the 50th state’s joining of our blessed Union. Or GOPers can skip the vote, but that could look nutty.

“Far be it from us to try to stir things up,” Helfert said puckishly. “The president was born there, so what are you gonna do? Not mention it?”

Heh.

Heh indeed–though we should point out that the ostensible birth-symps who voted for the bill deserve at least a smidgen of credit for risking “the wrath of birthers.”

Will the House resolution satisfy the birthers? Don’t hold your breath. Conspiracy theories are by nature unfalsifiable, since all evidence against them is recast as evidence of the conspiracy’s breadth and effectiveness. Birthers may alight on the provision of the resolution noting that “the first Native Hawaiian member of Congress, Prince Jonah Kuhio Kalaniana‘ole, . . . . and the first Native Hawaiian to serve in the Senate, Daniel Kahikina Akaka,” were from Hawaii. Why, the birthers may demand, doesn’t it mention the first native Hawaiian president, Barack Obama, or the first native Hawaiian senator from Illinois, also Barack Obama? (For that matter, Bruce Springsteen says he was born in the USA, but where’s the evidence?)

Birthers may also point out that the Abercrombie resolution is nonbinding. But Congress ruled on this question in a binding way already, when it approved Obama’s election in January. If there had been a genuine question about the president-elect’s eligibility, that would have been the time to raise it.

…

But the birther phenomenon may present a bigger challenge–a potent blend of race and politics, fueled by conservative TV and radio pundits, and played out in a day when all that stands between a town hall meeting and Web omnipresence is a $100 flip cam.

Politico isn’t the only media outlet to suggest that birtherism is racially motivated. In a New York Times piece, Phil Griffin, president of the ultraliberal MSNBC network, justifies what the paper calls his network’s “recurring coverage” of the so-called controversy:

Mr. Griffin said the claims were legitimate to cover “in that there’s a segment of our population that believes this and keeps bringing it up.”

“It’s racist,” Mr. Griffin said. “Just call it for what it is.”

…

It would not surprise us if there does turn out to be a racist strain among the birther fringe. After all, birthers are lunatics and racists are lunatics. It does not follow, however, that all lunatics are racists.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203609204574316472642745120.html
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Got that? No real dispute here. Just some nuts with a conspiracy theory. Lunatics, certainly, racists, likely. No second document. COLB is the real birth certificate of myth and lore.

Now, if you think Obama owns the WSJ or the NRO, then that’s fine. If you’re at all honest, you have to admit you got the sources you asked for.

From the editors of the National Review Online:

“The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMzQxYmEzNjA2YWIwOTU4YWVjNzRmODE2NTI=
_______________________

Or, you can try on the Wall Street Journal’s editorial:

“But a “controversy” has arisen over President Obama’s birthplace. We use those scare quotes advisedly, because there’s no real dispute over the matter, just some nuts with a conspiracy theory, a handful of Republican lawmakers who have been either foolish or fearful enough to lend some credibility to the theory, and Democrats who have spotted an excellent opportunity to make the GOP look foolish.

Liberal Blogger Greg Sargent, his glee unconcealed (“Okay, this is getting really good”) and entirely justified, explains that the resolution “seems designed to put House GOPers who are flirting with birtherism in a jam”:

[It] confronts House GOPers with a choice: They can vote for the measure, and endorse the idea that Obama was born in Hawaii, which could earn the wrath of birthers. Or they can vote against commemorating the 50th state’s joining of our blessed Union. Or GOPers can skip the vote, but that could look nutty.

“Far be it from us to try to stir things up,” Helfert said puckishly. “The president was born there, so what are you gonna do? Not mention it?”

Heh.

Heh indeed–though we should point out that the ostensible birth-symps who voted for the bill deserve at least a smidgen of credit for risking “the wrath of birthers.”

Will the House resolution satisfy the birthers? Don’t hold your breath. Conspiracy theories are by nature unfalsifiable, since all evidence against them is recast as evidence of the conspiracy’s breadth and effectiveness. Birthers may alight on the provision of the resolution noting that “the first Native Hawaiian member of Congress, Prince Jonah Kuhio Kalaniana‘ole, . . . . and the first Native Hawaiian to serve in the Senate, Daniel Kahikina Akaka,” were from Hawaii. Why, the birthers may demand, doesn’t it mention the first native Hawaiian president, Barack Obama, or the first native Hawaiian senator from Illinois, also Barack Obama? (For that matter, Bruce Springsteen says he was born in the USA, but where’s the evidence?)

Birthers may also point out that the Abercrombie resolution is nonbinding. But Congress ruled on this question in a binding way already, when it approved Obama’s election in January. If there had been a genuine question about the president-elect’s eligibility, that would have been the time to raise it.

…

But the birther phenomenon may present a bigger challenge–a potent blend of race and politics, fueled by conservative TV and radio pundits, and played out in a day when all that stands between a town hall meeting and Web omnipresence is a $100 flip cam.

Politico isn’t the only media outlet to suggest that birtherism is racially motivated. In a New York Times piece, Phil Griffin, president of the ultraliberal MSNBC network, justifies what the paper calls his network’s “recurring coverage” of the so-called controversy:

Mr. Griffin said the claims were legitimate to cover “in that there’s a segment of our population that believes this and keeps bringing it up.”

“It’s racist,” Mr. Griffin said. “Just call it for what it is.”

…

It would not surprise us if there does turn out to be a racist strain among the birther fringe. After all, birthers are lunatics and racists are lunatics. It does not follow, however, that all lunatics are racists.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203609204574316472642745120.html
__________________________________

Got that? No real dispute here. Just some nuts with a conspiracy theory. Lunatics, certainly, racists, likely. No second document. COLB is the real birth certificate of myth and lore.

Now, if you think Obama owns the WSJ or the NRO, then that’s fine. If you’re at all honest, you have to admit you got the sources you asked for.

Hey Matt still repeating them one liner insults?Some things will never change?She asking for your best shots and all you come back with an insult about her family tree,If you can't discuss this subject with facts just don't say anything because it shows that you haven't a real original thought on why Obama won't produce his records? Alinsky says if you cant debate them insult them? is that your answer

“What planet are you from.The brithers have proved that obama bio is a lie-O and the fact check.org is his whore,and the officials in hawaii his concubines.and you are his minnions that keep the insults echcoing in your ears trying to keep the logic from seeping into to that grey matter you call a brain,
We brithers are willing to go toe to toe with what ever fact you think you can come up with and all you do is insult the blogger ,who you have never met and know nothing of us? What kind of Biggot are you anyway

Filled with half-truths and complete fictions, as usual.

“Grandma Obama” claimed to have been present at BHO's birth? Well, it is true that she said “yes” when asked this question during a recorded phone conversation with a birther, through a translator. But it's also true that 5 seconds later she realized the misunderstanding and repeated 4 times that he was “born in America, not in Africa.”

There is no proof whatsoever of any trip his mother took to Kenya in the summer of 1961. It defies logic that a woman 7 months pregnant would take off to Africa right after the semester ended at the University of Hawaii that spring.

The allegation that Hawaii is a “state notorious for handing out BCs to those born elsewhere” is completely unsupported by any evidence at all, and is also based on a false premise. This myth is based on the birthers' theory that Hawaii state law allows for BCs to be issued to people born abroad. In fact, this law is not unusual at all because all it says is that Hawaii will issue a BC for a person born abroad THAT ANNOTATES ON THE BC THAT THE PERSON WAS BORN ABROAD. Hawaii does not issue BCs that commit perjury, it may surprise the reader to know.

Obama's mother never “renounced her citizenship” as an American. Once again, an allegation stated with no evidence whatsoever to support it.

The Supreme Court has not rejected “all” of the “many cases” filed challenging Obama's citizenship. Get your facts straight. Only 1 or 2 cases filed on the issue have even reached the Supreme Court, which did in fact reject them. Most cases have been filed in other, lower courts. All, without exception, have been dismissed and literally laughed out of court.

Obama hasn't countersued for libel because this joke of a theory isn't worth his time to sue for. There is no person of any importance in the nation who actually believes in the birther theory, liberal or conservative.

lol

“For the zillionth time, the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's website is NOT a “Birth Certificate.” It is an entirely different document. The “Birth Certificate” is derived from records signed by the physician and nurse in attendance at the actual birth.”

False.

The definitions of “birth certificates” can come from one or both of 2 sources: the federal government, and state law. Hawaii state law makes no distinction between “certificates of live birth,” “birth certificates,” “short-form birth certificates” or “long-form birth certificates.” These terms are complete fictions, made up by birthers. There are simply birth certificates, period, and Obama's certificate is an example of one. See HI ST §§ 338-5, 338-6. As for federal law, U.S. State Department regulations require that any certificate issued by any state include only the following information: “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” Guess what? Hawaii's birth certificates meet those requirements.

Alan Keyes is a mental midget who is nursing a grudge over having his ass handed to him by Obama. BTW are you saying that black people can't be racist? Racism is the basis for your beliefs, it has nothing to do with your race itself.

BTW Nice example. Yeah nothing about your link even remotely indicates it has been tampered with or anything. Yeah, right. Unless you bother with that whole facts or sanity standard.

WOW. I never thought I'd see another post from runninbear. It's gotta be Happy Hour somewhere, man. Why are you wasting time here when you could be writing a one-paragraph, 2,000 word post that contains no truth and no punctuation?

You have no sources.

You have no facts.

You have no logic.

You should be grateful that anyone pays you any attention, no matter whether it is to mock you or merely to point out the absurdity of your lies.

But you're not. You're stubborn as well as stupid. Which makes you even more fun to mock.

Post your family tree online, and post your birth certificate alongside it.

Let us know when you read about what it feels like to win an argument.

“The brithers have proved that obama bio is a lie-O”

Who are the brithers, and what time will they show up to pinch-hit for you birther dumbasses?

He's not spending money on lawyers. He gets his fees reimbursed when the frivolous suits get tossed on motions to dismiss.

But here's the logical issue that, being a birther, you do not see:

If he released his original birth certificate, birthers would just claim that it is forged. They said that about his COLB. Nothing stops them from saying so, over and over, without any proof whatsoever.

So only a fool would go to any further effort to placate such obviously irrational, disingenuous people.

Instead, a reasonable President allows them to fuss noisily, drawing steam and scrutiny away from the challenges that REAL conservatives make to his policies.

Anything else, genius?

Butt-slurping? Easy on the closet fagginess. You don't want Mr. Aaron Wiener to write to you AGAIN, do you?

No, the burden of proof is not on Obama. Nor is it on anyone who defends Obama. It is instead on the shoulders of those who attack Obama.

Which is what makes it so much fun to tease those who attack Obama. They have no proof and no common sense. Just a big ol' Rush Limbaugh sized chip on their collective shoulder.

There appears to be a non-loony explanation for why you keep posting here.

I just cannot think of what it must be, since all the loony explanations are more compelling.

Hear, hear.

This is why I like to stoke the birthers' fire for them.

Please stick around to show us when the Kenyan birf sirtifikat gets refiled.

Obama will turn over his original birth certificate and his White House Gym Membership Card before that happens.

You know less about law than you do about logic. God bless you, child.

Debate: two sides presenting facts, logic, and analysis of the same.

Birthers don't debate. They make up gibberish and answer questions with questions.

Sort of like the dumbassery inherent in the “for fifteen dollars he could make this all go away” bullshit.

Birthers claimed the COLB is forged. They would say the same thing about any other birth certificate produced by or on behalf of Obama. And then he would have legitimized your bullshit by responding to it.

This is simple, logical, and straightforward.

Hence I expect you to ignore it, ask for the birth certificate, and make up nonsense about the race card.

Well, the first sentence RedGraham's piece is accurate. But the problems start in the second. Obama's father was NOT the “first & only biracial student who was a Kenyan-Brit.” To be “biracial,” your parents have to be from different races. The parents of Obama's father were both black/African/Kenyan. Since Kenya used to be a British Colony, he may have had UK citizenship for a while, but that does not make you bi-racial.

The rest of RedGraham's fantasy revision of Obama's “history” is equally fact-free.

“the accepted account is that Stannie was somehow able to return to Honolulu in a DC3 propjob by August 4, 1961″

Speak for yourself, GrahamCracker.

No one accepts that account except people who cannot accept a black President. Those people would accept any fantasy rather than wake up to the reality of their nightmare coming true.

I’ll keep you posted. In the meantime maybe you can educate me on the law.

OK, let’s play “what if.”

Here is a hypothetical situation.

On January 1, a 17 year old, crack whore, who is also an illegal immigrant has a baby (let’s call him Jorge) in New York, father unknown. A week after having the baby, ICE catches up with her and deports her back to Mexico with her baby. The baby grows up in Mexico City until the age of 16 when he crosses the border and returns to the U.S. five years later he moves to Guam where he lives for the next 5 years, In November, at the age of 26 he moves to Washington DC where he resides. At the age of 39, he decides to run for president (that being an election year).

Is he eligible?

Dude,
a) Who the hell are the brithers and can I talk to them? They have to make more sense than you birther morons.
b) If you can't spell “bigot” don't call people it.

===”The “Cetificate of Live Birth” is a document made available to Hawaiian immigrants”===

The COLB, as it is commonly called, is in fact the ONLY birth documentation issued by the State of Hawaii since 2001, no matter when you were born, 1945, 1961, 1983, 1999, 2005, if you ask the DOH for a certified birth certificate, the ONLY document you will receive is the COLB. It is a legal document and it is valid proof of birth, acceptable in ANY court of law.

I have to keep it at one line, I know the short attention span you morons have.

I didn't actually insult her family, I simply stated the fact that I have seen no credible evidence that her family tree forks. I'm not saying the evidence doesn't exist, I'm simply saying that I have not seen it.

Now that begs the question of why epy refuses to prove that her family tree does indeed fork. Its apparent that she could release her family tree to prove that the rumors about her family are untrue, but she doesn't.

Now why would that be?

Of course any attempt by epy at this point to prove that her family tree forks must be assumed to be forgeries. After all if she could legitimately prove it she undoubtedly would have proven it by now, right?

Do you get the sarcasm yet?

===”As to the newspaper announcement of his birth, its source is not identified. It was most likely made by Obama's embarrassed grandparents. “===

As per legal requirements at that time, the announcements were made by the DOH when they recorded a birth record.

===”Most amazing of all, because Obama’s mother had not been a U.S. citizen for the required number of years after turning sixteen she could not have conferred U.S. citizenship. Therefore, Obama would have received his father’s Kenyan citizenship (at that time British due to British control of Kenya). Therefore, he may NOT be a U.S. citizen at all.”===

The most amazing thing of all is how you can keep repeating this stupidity over and over again.

Obama was born in Honolulu

Therefore he is a natural born U.S. citizen.

Give me an example of some made up gibberish, disprove something I’ve said.

Close the discussion? We do nothing but ridicule you and point out your lies, and still you post and post and post and post. No one is shutting down anything, you paranoid freak.

I really want to be proven wrong about our alleged Usurper President.

And we really believe you.

By the way, where are all your sources you say you will provide? What's the problem, can't figure out how to link to the voices in your head?

Mitt Romney? HItler!? Damn, I was so close!

Okay, so how about this one: What's black and white and red all over?

The swastika on Tuci78's armband!

What do you need a source on? I'll be sure to provide it.

Disprove one thing I've said.

Why won't the state of Hawaii confirm the COLB online then? Both of the statements released say nothing about what is posted online, and if it is authentic. Tell me one controlling body of government that has confirmed the authenticity of the COLB.

I didn't say black people can't be racist, I'm just making sure you know who all is challenging your hero.

Tell me forgery expert, how was the document tampered with? Was it photo-shopped like the COLB?

“Was it photo-shopped like the COLB?”

Oh please. Source the evidence for that lie.

Have you forgotten the World Net Daily article?

“A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

Not only is he eligible, but he stands a good chance of using the bully pulpit to popularize soccer in America!

GOOOAAALLLL!

Quite possibly under CURRENT law depending in part on the country of his father's citizenship and if he had been adopted in another country such as Indonesia. He may have been born with dual-citizenship and would have to choose as an adult which one if either he wanted. That is called “what if?” Now what if Obama released his HS Diploma, Original BC, all passports, college records, etc.?

“And now the Obamaphiles will try to invoke Godwin's Law and close the discussion.”

–Tuci78, 23 hours ago, from the “National Poll: Only 36 Percent of Republicans Say Obama Was Born In America” thread

Ahem.

Anyone who boasts about writing an email to Mr. Aaron Wiener to whine about my profane responses to his own profane assassination threats and profane graphic prison sodomy fantasies is not allowed to claim that anyone else is abridging HIS free speech.

“What if? What if I'm taking a shower and I slip on a bar of soap? OH MY GOD I'd be killed! We monorail conductors are a crazy breed, half in love with death, gobbling up danger like ordinary men eat peanuts!” — Homer Simpson, monorail conductor for a brief stint

Pull it together, GrahamCracker. The question is obviously about current law. And it's hypothetical, so keep your panties on. ICE never really catches anyone. They just play an old Spanish-translation episode of COPS whenever they need to throw red meat to the right-wingers. Illegal immigrants continue to spit in your fast food undisturbed by Johnny Law.

Reminds me of Randwulf claiming, hysterically, that someone must have re-directed his links, since he wasn't getting any comments about them.

After all the absurd Tuci78 posts that have been allowed to bathe us all in the light of reason, it is beyond stupid for Tuci78 to whine pre-emptively about someone closing the discussion.

Nah. I promised Mr. Wiener I'd help him to keep “the pungent language” down. The note I sent him about little stevie was merely to inform him that despite frequent friendly warnings, little pottymouth stevie was dropping the “f-bomb” hither and thither like the incontinent dollop of filth he truly is.

And that helped Mr. Wiener to direct appropriate attention to the “intervention” this lying little lawyer so desperately needed.

No “boast.” I do my duty as a conscientious contributor to the Web site of The Washington Independent.

Anyone surprised that little stevie doesn't know what the hell Godwin's Law really is?

You claim that you have been given no credible sources for the arguments against birthers.

I have cited you to:

The Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702…

The National Review Online:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMz…

Politico:

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=BF5…

And, just for kicks, World Net Daily:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Each of those links leads you to convincing arguments against birthers. Even the World Net Daily link goes to a WND article explaining that they did their own investigation using document forgery analysts but could not find any evidence that Obama's COLB was forged.

And these are all links to right-wing sites. I could go non-partisan and show you factcheck or snopes, or I could go liberal and show you Daily Kos and Huffington Post.

But we already know that you will attack the source; you mentioned “credible” sources. So I'm expecting a tirade, and rightly so, about World Net Daily.

But are you seriously going to posit that the WSJ, NRO, and Politico have a credibility problem, as though they are Obama-lovers?

I already showed you some of these links. You want to keep pretending that you have some good faith basis for not being convinced for yourself?

You end by stating that you will provide sources. I call bullshit. Let's see 'em.

Oh, come now. You are the one who JUST wrote, in the post that mantis was responding to, that you would provide sources.

If you're going to be coy, you have to be cute. Or it doesn't work. No one talks to the freckled flat-chested potato-shaped redhead who hides behind a fluttering fan.

And no one pays serious attention to a birther trying to pretend that they have done any research, especially when the birther feigns ignorance of having made offers of proof.

No. I totally believed you were serious.

What I cannot take seriously is the notion that a young white American woman would fly INTO Kenya to have a baby and then bring the baby back to America.

Oy.

Again with trying to be cute.

You make no claims except studied ignorance. So I showed you links to a variety of right-wing sites that each advance non-birther arguments in the process of debunking birther nonsense. You can see those links both above and below this post, in my other posts to you.

You'll no doubt have trouble deciding which one calls the birthers meaner names, the Wall Street Journal or Politico. My money's on the WSJ. It's hard to top “racist” and “lunatic” “nut jobs with a conspiracy theory.”

Although Politico quoting Michael Medved as saying that the birther movement “makes us look sick. It makes us look demented. It makes us look like we're not fit for civilized company” is a bit of a kick in the knickers, isn't it?

You can continue to dance around the real issue. Which is that I don't need to disprove anything. YOU need to prove that Obama isn't legitimately eligible.

Or you need to get some tap-dancing shoes on and find a way to entertain us until drlove999 wakes up from his nap. Otherwise, what good are you?

I took pity on him and didn't mention the biggot thing.

After reading your post, I'm kicking myself for letting a golden opportunity to tell that dolt to stop drinking and posting slide by.

Why does the state of Hawai'i need to say anything about the COLB, which could be printed on a cocktail napkin?

The Hawai'ian government has repeatedly affirmed that the original vital records it is their job to maintain do in fact show that Obama was born in Hawai'i. So they went you one better. Instead of confirming that a certified copy is authentic, like factcheck did, the Hawai'ian government confirmed that the original records prove Obama is Hawai'ian by birth.

Learn something about the best evidence rule before you run around like a birther with her argument cut off.

This information is readily available. And you know that, if you're at all in good faith here. Don't you read the papers? Here's one:

“The Health Department's director reiterated yesterday that she has seen Obama's birth records.

'I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen,' Fukino said in a statement. 'I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago.'”

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090…

So…have you started taking those tap dancing lessons yet? Don't forget to wear a snazzy top hat. Always gets a laugh.

Nothing in your post is true. Links? Thought not. You said you could post sources. Source EVERY claim in your lie-filled post.

You have no evidence that any high-priced lawyers are involved on Obama's side. I cited you the Politico article where Obama's CA attorney defending him in the suit filed by Alan Keyes (represented by the aptly-named Gary Kreep) is working pro bono. It also talks about the sanctions for filing frivolous lawsuits. Obama gets his fees reimbursed when the suits get tossed.

The suits do not get tossed on technicalities or clerical errors. You are referring to Orly Taitz's inability to file a motion, much less sneak a forged document into the Court's record. The suits get dismissed for lack of standing, which is not a technicality.

Unless you think I should be able to sue Apple when its share price goes down, even if I own no Apple stock and thus have no standing. Details and technicalities.

His grandmother did not say he was born in Kenya. She was talking about his father, who has the same name, and she immediately corrected the translator when the street preacher Ron McRae started getting a hard-on in front of them about Obama being born in Kenya.

The notion that his grandmother saw him being born, but no one else in that dusty village has the slightest recollection of seeing the world's most famous black man being born? Sean Hannity can't talk ONE goat herder into going on TV for a million dollars? Come on! Bullshit.

Nonsense about his half-sister.

Nonsense about renouncing his citizenship in Indonesia. He could not do that as a minor anyway. Not without going to the Embassy and convincing the Ambassador that he meant what he said, er wrote. It would have to be done in writing.

Nonsense about sealed records that are not sealed.

Nonsense about a college paper you never read and he never wrote.

Nonsense about his wife not being proud of America.

UTTER nonsense about treason. You're the treasonous bastard. Bite your tongue for telling such absurd lies.

Broken promises, even if true, have nothing to do with eligibility. In fact it just makes him more like his predecessor, who was going to have a “humble foreign policy” and be a “consensus-builder” who “changed the tone in Washington” with his faith-based brand of “compassionate conservatism.” Didn't quite work out that way, did it?

Losing an election sucks, doesn't it?

Radicals? Buzz! The 60's is on the line with a cease-and-desist order insisting that you stop resurrecting Woodstock ghosts.

The unrepentant terrorists part sounded better coming from Palin. She always remembered to work in “domestic” in between unrepentant and terrorist. You're late and you're lazy.

You had to soften up the Pakistan lie. Instead of saying American's couldn't travel there, which is the standard birther lie, you had to write that Americans “weren't exactly welcome there.”

Wow. You're not exactly welcome in a grown-up conversation, yet here you are.

Off topic AND lying about the healthcare discussion on his website.

And the idea that any document could put an end to this controversy is disingenous and insulting. You're full of shit.

Birthers have dragged this out by claiming that the COLB is forged, with zero evidence to back it up. If Obama or anyone else started listening to the birthers and actually produced an original birth certificate, you idiots would just say that IT was forged, too.

I mean, come on. You people already think he rigged a huge multi-continent conspiracy involving hundreds of people across political parties, races and nationalities. Why would you not think that he could have had someone forge an original birth certificate as well as a COLB?

What a pack of bullshit lies. Why am I not surprised?

You're such a loser, Tuci78.

You whined when you couldn't take being shown to be a liar. Pobrecita! Deal with it.

And Godwin's Law is just geekspeak for the notion that sooner or later, some commenter will use a Nazi comparison. It wasn't the important part of your post. Since you're so enamored with that GED on your wall, you probably think it was.

The key was the “close the discussion” part, which, given you wusstacular penchant for tattling AND making profane assassination threats, is joyously absurd.

And how exactly, aside from refraining to post, can you “help” anyone keep the “the pungent language” down?

I bet he wrote to you and that you did not write to him. But then, why would you lie about being such a sniveling coward?

Wait. You lie about how many flights there are out of John Murtha airport and what the name of the nation's capital is. You lie about everything. If you got raped and fought your attacker off just as he was climaxing, you'd probably lie and tell him you didn't orgasm.

Clarifications: BHO-SR was all-African, part-Arab(caucazoid) & part-Black(negroid) hence “biracial” per Webster. My previous vignette about Stannie sheds light on just how Obama, as Indonesian Barry Soetoro, was able to get a passport to Pakistan in 1981 and also apply to Occidental College as a 'foreign student'. When I did a report on World Religions in 1969 adherents to Islam were 'moslems' & members of the nation of Islam were 'black muslims'. They are mortal enemies of jews & Christians & refer to us as infidels. Just as I will not call Obama president I won't change the way I spell moslem. I was first called 'grahamcracker” back in the '50s by another grade-schooler. A 'cracker' is a term for a native of Florida and a 'grahamcracker' is something/someone you can eat.

Oh, look! Lying little stevie can actually look something up online!

See, even moral and mental cripples like little stevie can sometimes perform almost like normal people. And all of you thought there was no hope for the little pustule.

As for how we can all help to keep the pungent language down on these threads, lets all remember that whenever little stevie not only lies but lies while using the “f-bom” and “a–hole” and other such immature expressions of his festering spleen, we hit those “Report” buttons again and again, letting Mr. Wiener and his colleagues know all about it.

And more on “Ft. Murtha.” Such a fixated little castrato is our stevie.

And so to hell with him.

Nah. You “do nothing.”

As in no provision of proof that your Mombasa Messiah is qualified as a natural born citizen to serve as President of these United States.

You got “nothing” except evasion, bug-boy. Now as it ever was.

Oh, look, little stevie's lying again!

Well, that's not new, is it?

And so happily, joyfully to hell with him.

Aw, brendy-boo. I hold up a mirror, you see yourself in the glass, and you shove your head back up your cloaca where it belongs.

How like an Obamaphile.

I'm going to bet you all something.

I bet you cannot stomach reading all of the despicable assassination threats and violent, disgusting slurs Tuci78 has littered this website with. And I bet I cannot stomach re-posting them all.

I will just post them until I get sick of reading his bullshit.

For any of you who want to know why I'm so derisive about Tuci78 tattling to Mr. Aaron Weiner about my alleged profanity in response to his alleged profane threats, read as far as you can before you get sick to your stomach. And then be SURE to let me know if you think I'm the one who needs an intervention.

Let me know how far you get. And, Tuci78, if you think you're being quoted out of context, please say so. God knows I give a shit.

Let's begin:

1.
in “Centcom: Yes, the President Is an American Citizen” on The Washington Independent

“Bear in mind that I look upon Barry Soetoro as I look upon cancer.

I don't care how he gets carved out. His malignancy is manifest, and the damage he has done – and will continue to do – warrant just about anything up to the point that we're talking about someone with a middle name and sniper training.

Not that Crash Test Johnnie (the Enemy Ace) would be doing a better job. Democrat or Republican, to hell with them all.

But the indictment and conviction of Barry Soetoro would provide a crashing kick in the nuts to the arrogant unconstitutionality of the Presidency, an office that we desperately need to take down, and take down HARD.

We can get a “twofer” here. We nail a corrupt, criminous politician and we blow the prestige of the imperial presidency to hellangone.

Push it to the max, I say, and Allah smite the apostate.”

2.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“I've always felt that the nation could benefit greatly if every career politician was held at the muzzle of a shotgun every waking minute of his nefarious little life. The sword of Damocles quit working centuries ago.

Hm. Maybe a kilo of C4 surgically impanted in his abdomen, hooked up to a radio trigger….”

3.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Oh, I'd HAPPILY 'undermine our government.' Or at least the officers of our federal civil government who are derelict in their duty to conform to the restraints of the U.S. Constitution

So blowing our present crop of federal government officers into a cloud of bloody gobbet flying poetically through the air is nothing more or less than a consummation devoutly to be wished. I mean, it's not like we're ever going to lack for fourth- and fifth-tier bureaucrats and politician-wannabee clowns to step up and close the breach, is it?

Government clowns are a fungible resource, with bottomless depth. There's always an overload of power-hungry parasites infesting any body politic. The trick is to keep the number of these pathogens down and mitigate their depredations. Our present economic woes are strongly indicative that something strenuous definitely needs to be get done ASAP.”

4.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Allah smite the apostate.”

5.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Nah. I'm treating Barry Soetoro the same way I treat any other statist sonofabitch, 'Red' side or 'Blue' side.

I mean, the guy is a fungating cancer just sitting there and begging to be biopsied, isn't he?”

6.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“MY 'President'? What, don't you recognize a 'Whaddaya mean “we,” Kemo Sabe?' moment when you see one?

Hairplug Joe gets to be POTUS. He nominates somebody to occupy the Veep slot (the way Nixon did when Agnew went bye-bye, and the way Ford did when Tricky Dick fluttered off in Marine One). We get our first certifiably brain-damaged President, and we get rid of the “Hope and Change” illusion that walks like a legitimate occupant of the White House and has been driving the U.S. economy even further off the cliff than that dork, Dubbya, did.

And the Plagiarist From Delaware inherits a gutshot Presidency during which even the go-along-to-get-along Republicans – America's “Special Olympics” party – are pushed to screw him up at every turn, pushed by constituencies who scent blood in the water and want to check out the chum.

Hey, what's not to like?”

7.
in “Centcom: Yes, the President Is an American Citizen” on The Washington Independent

“I'm never going to cease opposing Mr. Soetoro in his quest to drive the national economy of these United States over the proverbial cliff, if that's what you mean. I consider his policies and purposes malignant in the extreme.

…Barry Soetoro is a cancer upon the American body politic. Anything that can be done to debulk the tumor mass is warranted.

The 'birth certificate' issue offers a relatively bloodless method to do so, and with gusto I embrace it.

Beats having some moody loner with a middle name and sniper training setting up a ridiculously cheap mail-order rifle with a scope mounted on the wrong side of the weapon in a window overlooking a tree-lined street somewhere.”

8.
in “Centcom: Yes, the President Is an American Citizen” on The Washington Independent

“Nah. The 'patient' is these United States of America.

The cancer is Barry Soetoro.

The treatment is excise the tumor.”

9.
in “Former Congressman J.D. Hayworth Joins the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“I want your Mulignane Messiah's head in a basket of melons.”

10.
in “Former Congressman J.D. Hayworth Joins the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Like I said, he's 'POTUS' until the federal marshals come for him.

Hm. Remember that scene toward the close of *The Shawshank Redemption*?

I wonder if he'll sit behind the Resolute desk with a revolver and blow his brains out while they're breaking down the door?

Nah. Barry's a 'gun control' clown. He wouldn't have a pistol tucked away in his desk drawer, would he?

But I wouldn't mind numbering that among MY 'presents,' LaLee.

Not at all.”

11.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Barry's looking up at the blade of the guillotine, folks. Time to yank the pin and let it drop.”

12.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Sheesh, don't you watch *NCIS*? There was a bit of trivia voiced by the pathologist character to the extent (and I checked it out) that the National Socialist German Worker's Party administration of Germany's Third Reich actually killed far more people by the way of guillotine decapitation than the French have ever shortened.

Given that Barry's the leader of America's own National Socialist Party, don'tcha think that it's appropriate to picture him in a terminal encounter with 'La Veuve'?”

13.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“And then you'll want Barry Soetoro's throat between your thumbs just as much as I do.”

14.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Well, yeah, duh. Short of finding some moody loner with a middle name, sniper training, and a cheap mail order joke of a rifle, can you think of a better way to put Barry out of our misery?”

15.
in “African-American Preachers Against Obama”
By David Weigel 7/21/09 4:02 PM
http://washingtonindependent.com/51956/african-…

“You got a reference to your handle? Hey, so do I. Betcha can't guess mine, either.

As for hating ('Hatred is my muse.' – Murray Rothbard), what is it about your Mulignane Mahdi that's not to hate?

Look, if exercising the U.S. Constitution gets that sonofabitch OUT of public office and into the federal prison system for the rest of his natural life, then I consider the charter of our federal civil government to have served the purpose for which it was written and ratified.

I don't care how 'Black' your faux noir 'Whiter than sour cream' phoney might purportedly be. I don't hate him for the color of his skin, but for the arrant cancerous Keynesianism of his unlawful actions in the office he usurps, and dragging out into the daylight all the sordid, seamy, stinking past history he's so desperate to conceal offers the best way of tattooing him
'Null & Void' and generally kicking the weasands out of socialism in general in this nation.

Every little bit helps.

He's got obvious vulnerabilities, and it would be a sin before God and man to let those weak points go unexploited.

When your enemy bends over, shoot him in the ass.

Who knows? He might bleed to death.”

_________________

16.
in “Your Facts Are Useless on Me” on The Washington Independent

“What 'enemy,' lackwit? Were your beloved Barry to suddenly suffer a hemorrhagic stroke, and get himself dead right there (DRT), what do you think would happen to these United States of America?'

What is your insane fixation on that Messiah of yours, that you should pledge unto him your personal allegiance no matter if his usurpation of the office to which is is manifestly NOT entitled, and to which he was NOT lawfully elected, is nothing more than a direct attack upon the Constitution of these United States – the charter of our national civil government, the preservation of which is the explicit focus of every oath of office taken by every public official and serving member of the military in this nation?

You value HIM more than you value your country? You want your Messiah and to hell with the law?

You wanna talk 'treason,' Matty-bubchen, watch it. You're right there in the middle of it.

WHAT a stinking sonofabitch you truly are.”

17.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Tsk. The 'sentiments' of which you speak (notwithstanding the fact that the 'military types' with whom I'm personally acquainted would very much like to see Barry Soetoro strung up by his own guts; watch the Marine enlisted man standing at the side of the hatch when Mr. Soetoro exits Marine One, and look at what he does NOT do when your Mombasa Messiah passes by him) do not rise to the level at which the Judge Advocate General's office is ever going to bring charges against Major Cook.

Should this 'Where's that bastard's birth certificate?' phenomenon begin to impact upon troopers and officers held over in 'stop-loss' measures, or reluctant to deploy – and the Pentagon is really sweating over this – as a sort of 'Get Out of War Free' card, there may be courtsmartial.

And then the Pentagon will have to go to their unconstitutional Commander-in-Chief, and say, 'Uh, Boss? We've GOTTA have that birth certificate now. Did you ever really have one?'”

18.
in “Key Birther Lawyer Was Disbarred … In 2004″ on The Washington Independent

“Nah. It's because he's a friggin' socialist, a Chicago machine politician (and almost inevitably dirty as all hell), a Keynesian, and a goddam disaster.

If he were red-haired, blue-eyed, freckled, and going by the name of 'O'Mara' instead of 'Obama,' he should be hunted down like a dog and thrown into a federal prison, just for the sake of the nation's safety and well-being.

Given his sweaty, straining, struggling effort to stonewall every last jot and tittle of his past history – starting with those ludicrous cobbled-together Frankenstein monsters of computer graphic images released by his campaign in June 2008, indicative of his inability to cough up even the least little bit of proof that he was qualified under Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution even to RUN for the presidency – its obvious that he's vulnerable in dozens of ways, and therefore that's how we get him.

And get him we must, before he continues raping the American economy to its complete ruination. We've had all the Keynesian child molesting bankster abuse we can possibly suffer. There's no margin left for this Mombasa Miracle Man's depredations, and Barry's got to go.”

19.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Barry Soetoro? 'Black'? Him? Hoo-hah!

That Punahau School privileged preppie prick, raised 'Whiter than sour cream,' faking negritude so studiedly to keep his affirmative action status on the front burner, about as 'authentically Black' as Donnie & Marie…

And you, little whiner, are trying to waggle your little pecker and whimper about my fear of 'a black man who's a Dem in the White House right now'?

Oh, it is to laugh. How cute! Little manny standing up on the kitchen chair and holding his breath 'til he turns blue because his favorite fantasy character – one as carefully sculpted, puttied and sanded and spray-painted as Spider-Man or the Incredible Hulk – is really a friggin' fraud, and the grown-ups won't let him wallow in his 'Hope-&-Change' unreality.

Look, manny, I heartily hate Barry Soetoro not because of the mocha tint he's so carefully cultivated but because he's a goddam socialist, a catastrophic Keynesian, and a worthless, grabby, statist sonofabitch.

He's done horrible damage to the American economy, he's on course to do even more damage, and every breath he takes is a tragic perversion of the proper use of oxygen.

If he were blond and blue-eyed and certifiably native-born, I'd still be doing everything I can to drag him down and ruin him, 'cause that's sure as hell what he's trying to do to me and mine.

And to you, too, little manny. You just haven't felt that hand he's shoved up your own personal little tochus yet. When you do – if you're still alive – you're going to be howling for his blood, too.

Why wait?”

20.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Yeah, and every time you watch *Peter Pan*, I can hear you going:

'I do believe in fairies, I do, I do, I do!'

Darlin', all you've got is 'believing.' All anyone has of 'proof' that Barry Soetoro is qualified to hold the public office he currently usurps is a couple of Frankensteinianly factitious JPG images allegedly scanned from a print-on-paper document that he and his handlers adamantly refuse to cough up.

It was supposedly there in the Obama campaign headquarters in June 2008. Where is it now?

*Crickets Chirping!*

And the more damage Barry does to the U.S. economy, the more people are going to ram rockets up the butts of their congresscritters to nail his ass. The 'birther' issue being just the most salient route to the little sphincter between Barry's buns, that's where they're gonna try hardest to stick the assegai.

But if they don't get him there, have no doubt that every other avenue of approach to his mortal guts are going to be vigorously explored.

Your Kenyan Keynesian Messiah is a friggin' disaster, LaLee. Come 'round about November – probably earlier – as his inflationist chickens come home to roost like a flock of velociraptors, even you – dear, sweet, tender, stupid LaLee – are going to be howling for his blood.

But, hey, if believing in your Mulignane Miracle Man makes you feel better….”

21.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Aw, pity the poor Republican. Corrupt, clueless, 'bipartisan' in his desire to 'go along to get along,' not an honest bone in his invertebrate little body, wondering what the hell he's doing caucusing with constitutionalists like Ron Paul ('Audit the Federal Reserve? Do we really want to open up that can of worms?'), his heritage firmly grounded in pork, protectionism, and sucking up to the banksters (Wiki up Henry Clay and his 'American System'), what's the silly, grasping, feeble putz to do?

I say 'clean 'em out!' too.

Right after we give the Democrats the 'Night of the Long Knives' they've been deserving these past seventy years and more.

'Whee! Blood all over the bulkheads!'”

22.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Well, yeah, duh. Short of finding some moody loner with a middle name, sniper training, and a cheap mail order joke of a rifle, can you think of a better way to put Barry out of our misery?

Your Kenyan Keynesian is doing a patented 'Robert Mugabe' job on the U.S. currency, he's about to inflict the biggest job-killer this side of FDR in that 'health insurance' scam he's flushing through the tubes, and his puppets are already floating 'Son of Stimulus,' as if what he's already done to transfer what little the taxpayers have left into the pockets of the banksters to whom he long ago sold himself.

Getting him into a nice, secure, narrow little room in Marion, Ohio, is a consummation devoutly to be wished, and to be accelerated with all possible expedition.

It's not a matter of conservatives versus 'Liberals' but of consitutionalists versus you drooling Obamaphiles.

We got us a cancer in the White House. Time for a Barry-ectomy, and Allah smite the apostate!”

23.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Yeah, I don't care about those whining Republicans, either. Phooey on them!

But when Barry-boy, your Mombasa Messiah, gets perp-walked out of the White House in handcuffs and ankle fetters and belly chains, and Hairplug Joe settles down behind that big, comfortable chair behind the Resolute Desk as our Plagiarist-in-Chief, I suspect he's going to be just a WEE bit nervous about his own status and safety.”

24.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“You voted for Barry? You're an Obamaphile. Not that Crash Test Johnnie would've been any better, but when given the choice between being gang-raped by the Crips or the Bloods, there is no virtue in announcing proudly that you gave up your ass – and the lives and liberties of your neighbors as well – to the guys in the red bandannas 'cause you thought the ones on the other side smelled worse.”

25.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Now, now, sonny. The word 'Nazi' is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers' Party), commonly abbreviated 'NSDAP.' Look through their literature (and that of the contemporary Partito Nazionale Fascista, or National Fascist Party, of Italy) and you'll find 'socialism' extolled all over the place.

One of the charming idiocies of today's socialists – or 'Liberals' or 'progressives' or whatever the hell you're calling yourselves this evening – is their babbling persistence in demanding that people treat them courteously because they're espousing one form of socialism instead of another. Sure, you're not a Communist. Sure, you're not a member of Khmer Rouge. You're ANOTHER kind of socialist, a kinder, warmer, gentler, NICER sort of socialist.

And when somebody like Joe the Plumber sticks his head up and challenges your Messiah, you kindly, warmly, gently, nicely go after him with pitchforks and hot tar.

Of course, if somebody refuses to pay the taxes you selectively levy upon him under the guide of 'to promote the general welfare' when your real purpose is a socialist redistribution of his wealth to your own favored constituencies, then you send uniformed government goons with guns to dispossess him of his property, proscribe him, incarcerate him, and – if he is said to be 'resisting arrest' – to kill him.

Kindly, warmly, gently, and nicely.

Such wonderful people are the socialists. Doing so much to us 'for our own good' that you really can't tell them from the Mafia or the Crips, can you?

Well, they've gotten themselves a much better benefits package. Planners. That's the socialists. Planners.

And the one thing Socialist Party 'A' hates worse than us capitalists (those of us who observe that a market free of government 'picking winners' and playing dirigste games generally works better than any other kind of division-of-labor economic system) is Socialist Party 'B.'

Thus the NSDAP hated the Bolsheviks, and the Democrat Party hates the Republican Party (what, you think that the Republicans are 'free market' advocates? and you claim to know anything about history? Har-de-har-har!), and so on and so on and so on.

You socialist really can't get it all in one sack, can you? Never have been.

Hey, look, why don't you get over to Mises.org? They've got a whole bunch of books fully available online. You can read Ludwig von Mises' *Socialism* either in HTML or PDF. You can track down Henry Hazlitt's *Economics in One Lesson*, and plenty of political and economic history.

You can become lucidly informed and better equipped to think rationally.

And then you'll want Barry Soetoro's throat between your thumbs just as much as I do.”

27.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Barry's looking up at the blade of the guillotine, folks. Time to yank the pin and let it drop.”

28.
in “Former Congressman J.D. Hayworth Joins the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Tsk. LaLee, go ask a lawyer, okay? I'm just a broken down old country sawbones. The fact of the matter is that even under the black-letter statutes and red-letter law applicable to slander and libel, the standards under which people who have voluntarily thrust themselves into the public eye (and running for the presidency certainly qualifies) are substantially different from the protections penumbra'd over private citizens.

Particularly when it comes to aspects of their personal lives that bear proximally upon their lawful qualification to run for and/or to hold the office of public trust they're seeking. And no matter how you perseverate, LaLee, your Messiah's 'natural-born' status is exquisitely pertinent to his qualifications.

What's more, given the perambulating practices of his mother and father in 1961 – jetting all to hellangone over creation – and the fact that the government of Kenya had explicitly announced that Mr. Soetor's medical records in that country were being sealed “permanently, until after the U.S. elections,” the stench of rotting corpses under the floorboards really can't be denied.

Well, I see you holding your nose and going “Bud I dode sbell annydig!”

And that's why I'm so fond of you, LaLee. I'm sure you still believe in Santa Claus, too.

As for how you “want world peace,” that's nice. I want your Mulignane Messiah's head in a basket of melons.

Neither of us might get what we want, but there's a certain nobility in the striving, isn't there?”

29.
in “Centcom: Yes, the President Is an American Citizen” on The Washington Independent

“I'm never going to cease opposing Mr. Soetoro in his quest to drive the national economy of these United States over the proverbial cliff, if that's what you mean. I consider his policies and purposes malignant in the extreme. Don't you?

If so, why?

If the discovery of his records – the proverbial EVERYTHING he's striven so sweatingly to 'seal' and otherwise disguise – is one way in which to extirpate Mr. Soetoro (with the added bonus that it lands him in a federal penitentiary for the rest of his natural life), I'm absolutely delighted to pursue that avenue of attack.

I really don't care about what '99% of the U.S. population' might or might not think, geek. In the words of Heinlein, 'Does history record any case in which the majority was right?'

The fact that Crash Test Johnnie ('The Enemy Ace') was on the same order of unsuitability to function as a constitutional chief magistrate of our federal government notwithstanding….

(( if he'd been elected, I'd be attacking HIM just as vehemently ))

…Barry Soetoro is a cancer upon the American body politic. Anything that can be done to debulk the tumor mass is warranted.

The “birth certificate” issue offers a relatively bloodless method to do so, and with gusto I embrace it.

Beats having some moody loner with a middle name and sniper training setting up a ridiculously cheap mail-order rifle with a scope mounted on the wrong side of the weapon in a window overlooking a tree-lined street somewhere.

Yes, I *do* believe in the Warren Report, I do, I do, I do….”

30.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Tsk. Determined to pigeonhole me as a 'birther,' are you? Haven't you twigged by now? To the extent that demanding of Mr. Soetoro the disclosure of EVERYTHING that he's trying to hide, I wish nothing more or less than to exploit an opportunity to 'kick de natal stuffn' outen' the office of the U.S. presidency, with all its 'czars' and its proliferation of cabinet-level wastage, its executive orders and brute meddling in the lives of the private citizenry.

I would be absolutely delighted to see Barry Soetoro conducted securely to incarceration, with the knowledge that henceforth every occupant of that office should look to this precedent as a manifest of the denigrated and preyed-upon population's willingness to take down even the highest, the mightiest, the most politically sacrosanct criminals in public office.

We got Nixon. Except for the intervention of 'Republicans' like Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter, we would've had Bubba. Now it's Barry's turn, and Allah smite the apostate.

I want a federal government that enforces the Bill of Rights. Nothing more, nothing less. Nailing the socialists' Mahdi is merely one step along that path.”

31.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Oh, I'd HAPPILY 'undermine our government.' Or at least the officers of our federal civil government who are derelict in their duty to conform to the restraints of the U.S. Constitution.

Y'see, son, you've got to stop confusing 'our government' with our polity. They're not identical. Hell, in rational consideration, they're radically different. The private citizen – who is the source of all sovereignity in our representative republic – is not allowed to exercise his right to inflict deadly force on anyone else except in defense of his life, his liberty, or his property (or the life, liberty, or property of someone else suffering violent aggression).

The private citizen, as such, can undertake any action save that which is specifically proscribed by law. The officer of government can undertake only such action as is specifically PREscribed by law. When either one ventures outside those limitations, his actions are criminal, and it's pretty obvious that most of what our officers of civil government do every day is utterly criminal.

So blowing our present crop of federal government officers into a cloud of bloody gobbet flying poetically through the air is nothing more or less than a consummation devoutly to be wished. I mean, it's not like we're ever going to lack for fourth- and fifth-tier bureaucrats and politician-wannabee clowns to step up and close the breach, is it?

Government clowns are a fungible resource, with bottomless depth. There's always an overload of power-hungry parasites infesting any body politic. The trick is to keep the number of these pathogens down and mitigate their depredations. Our present economic woes are strongly indicative that something strenuous definitely needs to be get done ASAP.

Beginning with seeing Barry safely into a narrow little room in Marion, Ohio, where he can live out the rest of his days writing more fiction.

I've just loved his autobiographical fantasies.”
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Ok, I'm stopping at 31. As much as I enjoyed the part where he told LaLee, “I dunno LaLee. Ask a lawyer,” I just can't take any more of his disgusting threats.

So there you are. Lots of repeated references to a mail order rifle. C-4. Blown to bits of bloody gobbet. Blood all over the bulkheads. Guillotine. Night of the Long Knives. Throat between the thumbs. Smite the apostate. Excise the cancer.

Now, be honest. You haven't read any of these before. I didn't tap into anything he wrote in the last month. I didn't include ANY post he directed at me. I could have chosen from any of several dozen posts he has written to me about anal sodomy being violently inflicted upon the President, about the President's genitals, about my genitals, or some combination of the two. But I didn't want to be part of the story.

Continue being honest. Do you still think this guy is smart? Funny? A reasoned thinker whose opinion counts for two squirts of piss?

And do you suppose he has ANY room to tattle on me for being (horrors!) profane in mocking him?

If ANY non-birther who has ever posted here before chooses to quibble with whether I am too hard on Tuci78, I will be unfailingly polite in discussing that opinion.

But if anyone at TWI takes down any of my comments, while leaving any of Tuci78's comments up, then I will have no further use for this website and will no longer post here.

Talk about choking on a gnat and swallowing a camel. Tuci78, I'm not going to hell. But it looks like it may take that to get me to stop reminding you of your idiocy.

For the proposition that Tuci78 is a detestable piece of shit who deserves to be cursed at, I present this TINY fraction of his actual posted filth.

QED

LMAO you asinine wuss. I'm not the one who writes “asshole” – you have me confused with drlove999 but only someone as stupid as you would confuse me with that dolt. Of course, you also can't tell Heinlein from Mencken.

So you can't handle it when I tell you about yourself, and you think you can get other people to help you in your quest to send me to hell or at least banish me from reminding you of what intelligence actually reads like?

Not bloody likely.

And you think you're God's gift to obscure knowledge. I may not have started using a computer until 1993, but I haven't spent the last 16 years misunderstanding socialism, like you have. Frees me up to read widely.

You're the dumb shit hayseed who brought up the stupid little rinky-dink airport. You're going to read about it until it bores me. Diddle yourself twice if you don't like it.

Boy, lying little stevie has gone completely bugnuts, hasn't he?

Nice stroll down memory lane though. And I'm delighted to stand by everything that so outrages little stevie, the senseless cement-head. Particularly this:

“The 'birth certificate' issue offers a relatively bloodless method to do so [remove Barry Soetoro from the White House], and with gusto I embrace it.

Beats having some moody loner with a middle name and sniper training setting up a ridiculously cheap mail-order rifle with a scope mounted on the wrong side of the weapon in a window overlooking a tree-lined street somewhere.”

Yep. I wrote that having little stevie's beloved “poverty pimp” perp-walked out of the White House in chains beats having him blown away Lee-Harvey-Oswald style.

So everybody knows that if there are folks out there planning to put Barry Soetoro to death by musketry, I am – regretfully – not one of them.

That damned non-aggression principle, y'know.

Apart from that, we've got established the fact that I'm opposed to government violating the rights of the individual human being, I've correctly identified Barry Soetoro as a thug and and a thief and a usurper of the powers of a public office he is not in law qualified to hold, and that little stevie is – as always – a liar.

He's also out of whatever it is he uses in lieu of a mind, too. But we already knew that, didn't we?

Ah well. To hell with him. Let's look to see where else he's spammed this “best of Tuci78″ anthology.

Tsk. The silly little liar is babbling out his lies now, perseverating.

What little is left of his personality – hm; did he ever have one? – is obviously disintegrating. Aw!

And he's on his way to hell, isn't he?

Obviously, epidydimus is twisting words and facts, mixing them with outright lies, picking nits and ridiculously stammering with bad sophistry in a pathetic attempt to stave off a very painful, personal episode of cognitive dissonance.

Lighten up. It is on your certificate and it is a little funny.

Lighten up. It is on your certificate and it is a little funny.

You are so lazy you refuse to do a simple google search?

“Japanese”:
http://usera.imagecave.com/Bessie/Jason-Tomo-BC-1.jpg

“Caucasian Hawaiian”:
http://leaningstraightup.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/doc_decosta_pat_birth.jpg

You are so lazy you refuse to do a simple google search?

“Japanese”:
http://usera.imagecave.com/Bessie/Jason-Tomo-BC-1.jpg

“Caucasian Hawaiian”:
http://leaningstraightup.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/doc_decosta_pat_birth.jpg

You’re the one who played the race card – right after you played the equally-pointless PC card.

You’re the one who played the race card – right after you played the equally-pointless PC card.

The brithers are the morons arguing over the President’s circumcision.

The brithers are the morons arguing over the President’s circumcision.

Funny how? It’s simply the department’s name. They’re responsible for both physical and mental health issues, and it was named when the term in common use was “mental hygiene.” No humor on its part, just a lack of historical comprehension on yours.

Funny how? It’s simply the department’s name. They’re responsible for both physical and mental health issues, and it was named when the term in common use was “mental hygiene.” No humor on its part, just a lack of historical comprehension on yours.

Why do you insist I take someone’s word for it? Is the Constitution really that unimportant? Why can’t they just show the document? She can talk about it, but can’t show it? Does that make any sense? What was the delivering doctor’s name? Why wouldn’t you want to hail them as the person who brought the greatest president ever?

Why do you insist I take someone’s word for it? Is the Constitution really that unimportant? Why can’t they just show the document? She can talk about it, but can’t show it? Does that make any sense? What was the delivering doctor’s name? Why wouldn’t you want to hail them as the person who brought the greatest president ever?

To those who seek to employ the machinery of civil government for purposes explicitly forbidden by the Constitution – and I’m speaking of both nominal conservatives like the Republicans and National Socialist “Liberal” types like filthy little stevie – that charter and its binding character is an impediment to be overcome.

To little stevie, the U.S. Constitution is “important” only in the sense that any lawyer views any contract, looking for loopholes through which he can violate the conditions of that contract.

You will never get an honest answer out of little stevie. He’s a liar. As long as you keep this in mind – that there is no honorable intention in him, any more than there is in any other National Socialist – you ought not find yourself being led into the malignancy that is his purpose.

And therefore to hell with him.

To those who seek to employ the machinery of civil government for purposes explicitly forbidden by the Constitution – and I’m speaking of both nominal conservatives like the Republicans and National Socialist “Liberal” types like filthy little stevie – that charter and its binding character is an impediment to be overcome.

To little stevie, the U.S. Constitution is “important” only in the sense that any lawyer views any contract, looking for loopholes through which he can violate the conditions of that contract.

You will never get an honest answer out of little stevie. He’s a liar. As long as you keep this in mind – that there is no honorable intention in him, any more than there is in any other National Socialist – you ought not find yourself being led into the malignancy that is his purpose.

And therefore to hell with him.

I don’t insist that you take anyone’s word for it.

I keep telling you to come up with the sources you claimed to have that back up any of the nonsense you post.

I’ve written to you several times about it.

Now come up with the sources you CLAIMED you have. Or just go on being an idiot. No one cares. And no one “insists” you do anything.

We just don’t respect the bullshit blabber of birthers who write absurdity and try to hide behind silly irrelevant questions.

The doctor who delivered him is now dead. Dr. West. He was written about in the Buffalo Gazette article I linked drlove999 to on this thread. The one about Ms. Barbara Nelson, who spoke with Dr. West a few days after Obama was born.

Surely you remember that. Oh wait. You don’t read newspapers. You just make shit up and dare people to disprove you.

Useless birther dumbassery.

I don’t insist that you take anyone’s word for it.

I keep telling you to come up with the sources you claimed to have that back up any of the nonsense you post.

I’ve written to you several times about it.

Now come up with the sources you CLAIMED you have. Or just go on being an idiot. No one cares. And no one “insists” you do anything.

We just don’t respect the bullshit blabber of birthers who write absurdity and try to hide behind silly irrelevant questions.

The doctor who delivered him is now dead. Dr. West. He was written about in the Buffalo Gazette article I linked drlove999 to on this thread. The one about Ms. Barbara Nelson, who spoke with Dr. West a few days after Obama was born.

Surely you remember that. Oh wait. You don’t read newspapers. You just make shit up and dare people to disprove you.

Useless birther dumbassery.

You don’t understand lawyers, contracts, government, Americans, or America.

Which makes you extremely lucky to have me around to fill in those little gaps in your knowledge.

Careful. You used to be concerned about my blood pressure. If I really worried about going to hell because you “cross your heart and hope to die” that I go there, wouldn’t that worry adversely affect my blood pressure, Tuci78?

You don’t understand lawyers, contracts, government, Americans, or America.

Which makes you extremely lucky to have me around to fill in those little gaps in your knowledge.

Careful. You used to be concerned about my blood pressure. If I really worried about going to hell because you “cross your heart and hope to die” that I go there, wouldn’t that worry adversely affect my blood pressure, Tuci78?

Do you realize that uttering threats against the president is a federal crime?

It's not something the Secret Service investigates to “make sure you don't really mean it”. Just making the threat constitutes the crime. It is not subject to 1st Amendment protections. In my view you've violated the statute several times, according to the quotes I read above.

“Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.” 18 U.S.C. § 871(a)

More background from CJS: “Threats against the President or Vice President need not be communicated to him or her. In a prosecution for making a threat against the President or Vice President, the government is not required to establish that the accused had an actual subjective intent to carry out the threat. Also, the fact that the accused may have been incapable of carrying out his or her threats against the President or Vice President does not bar his or her conviction. The use of ambiguous language does not preclude a statement from being a “threat.” Likewise, the absence of explicitly threatening language or the use of subtle language does not rule out a finding of a true “threat.”"

You're totally and utterly wrong. A Certification of Live Birth in Hawaii, or a Certification of Birth in New york, has nothing at all to do with immigrants. It is a CERTIFICATION – that is, government authentication document — of the birth event that is supplied when a copy is requested after the original event. IT IS THE ONLY KIND OF COPY AVAILABLE UNDER THE LAW OF THE STATE OR OTHER JURISDICTION. Nothing at all to do with immigrants — my document linked above shows that.

Stop lying.

No no.

Again with the lies.

You repeated the mail order junk rifle thing at numbers 14 and 22 but you changed the wording to make it much more active. You asked if, short of finding a moody loner with a middle name and a mail order junk rifle, etc, can you think of a better way to put Barry out of our misery.

And then there's your discussion of getting his throat between your thumbs or wanting his head in a basket of melons or about how it's time to let the guillotine drop. And then there's the “I say we give the Democrats the Night of the Long Knives.”

Non-aggression principle? Nonsensical cover-your-ass-too-late-by-trying-to-deny-your-aggression principle.

Lying liar and the lies he tells.

Now you understand why I cannot stand Tuci78 and will not suffer any lectures from him about potty mouth.

Stop trolling! All you ever do is post this SAME paragraph, with the SAME ad for YOUR site. It’s pathetic.

Read the very first one again, Tuci78:

“I don't care how he gets carved out. His malignancy is manifest, and the damage he has done – and will continue to do – warrant just about anything up to the point that we're talking about someone with a middle name and sniper training.”

Middle name and sniper training? Well, I guess this just means you lied again. Non-aggression principle. Non-honesty principle. Same difference!

Tsk.

Tuci78 lies a lot. We know this. He also whines a lot. We know this too. He makes absurd threats. Stop me when I write something that is news.

But he gets so upset about seeing partial quotes yanked up to the top of the thread, I cannot resist doing it. I do so love to get under his skin.

But this post of his is comparatively brief, so I'll give you the whole thing. Bear in mind this comes from a man who is firmly committed to something he calls the “non-aggression principle.”

From the “Birthers Latch Onto Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate” thread, 10 hours ago, Tuci78 wrote:

“Aw, the 'ex-English major' is making a proofing snark. How noob.

And back again about how I've proven him to be an abject, hapless, pathological liar about 'Ft. Murtha' and the peculating porkmeister, National Socialist John Murtha, and his thieving ways.

Such a pitiful little pile of excrement is our little stevie.

Somebody got a shovel? Let's put him out of our misery.

And on to hell with him.”
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I would be remiss if I didn't give you my response to his shovelful of shit.

stephenperry 0 minutes ago

“Ooh, what's that bullshit you write about a non-aggression principle?

Does the principle still hold if you shout 'Kill him!' to an angry mob that is bearing the weapons you asked them to bring to the town square?

We know you're too limp-wristed to hold a shovel.

We also know that I would treat you as Agnes Skinner described the Yakuza to Marge Simpsons:

'They'll kill ya five times before ya hit the ground!'

So go on, lie to us some more about your non-aggression principle.

It beats hearing about that little airport that is driving your goats mad with all the noise from those three, count 'em, three flights a day.”

A lollipop for the first person to find something truthful, funny in the same sense that he meant it, or worthwhile posted by Tuci78.

Yep, more little stevie lying.

Note “anything up to the point that we're talking about someone with a middle name and sniper training.”

Not “anything up to and including the point that….”

Some “ex-English major” is our lying little stevie. And he “graduated with Honors,” did he?

And “On the Internet, nobody can tell you're a dog.”

Such an inept liar is our little stevie.

Therefore to hell with him.

Ooh, a habitual and pathological liar like little stevie describing an honest respondent as a liar. Well, little stevie is – you expected elsewise? – lying about that, too.

He's consistent. A pile of filth, but a consistent pile of filth, that's our idgy-woojums iddle stevie.

Yet again, to hell with him.

Aw, lying about everything. How cute. Scrambles about like the rabid weasel in a box he truly is. That's our idgy-woojums iddle stevie, isn't it?

Reeks of National Socialist plots and plans, stinks of statism, schemes in his mommy's basement all about how he's gonna dominate his hard-working, innocent, unsuspecting neighbors, and plots the complex twists and turns of his lies from the moment he awakens to the hour he slumps down in his own filth, exhausted and muttering.

Such a perfect “Liberal” is lying little stevie.

And – what else? – to hell with him.

Yep, more little stevie lying.

Note “anything up to the point that we're talking about someone with a middle name and sniper training.”

Not “anything up to and including the point that….”

Some “ex-English major” is our lying little stevie. And he “graduated with Honors,” did he?

And “On the Internet, nobody can tell you're a dog.”

Such an inept liar is our little stevie.

Therefore to hell with him.

Oh, the “ex-English major” is so ignorant of history that he can't catch a Caligula reference. Well, probably nothing of Robert Graves on his assigned reading list.

Further historical ignorance, this time of his own political faction. Aren't National Socialists susceptible to (and deserving of) a Nacht der langen Messer every now and then?

Not only a pathological liar but a dogwhistle is little stevie.

Savvy “dogwhistle,” you filthy little POS? That's a rabid gerbil like you with a distalmost sphincter so spastic that when you pass gas, the sound is pitched so high that only dogs can hear it.

And therefore to hell with you.

Yet again, to hell with him.

We don't care about your “idiot's guide to growing up as a cracker.”

Everyone knows what a cracker is. We know you've migrated beyond Florida. And even drlove999 knows what a graham cracker is.

No one knows, however, what to make of a birther who professes to describe his “report on World Religions.” Which is why we just mock you until we figure out what to make of the absurdity you write.

Was your report something that you plagiarized from the back of a box of graham crackers?

No one cares whether you call Obama the President. Delusions of grandeur are unbecoming in a graham cracker. Or in a cracker named Graham.

How could I be on my way to hell when I'm still here mocking your every idiotic word?

As I'd written, little liar, “anything up to the point that…”

Not “anything up to and including the point that…”

For an “ex-English major” (supposedly “graduated with Honors,” yet), our lying little stevie has a grasp on philology like unto his grasp on factual reality.

Which is to say precisely zip.

Sing a song of Satan, grumbling and dire. Stuck with little stevie, down in brimstone mire…

What else? To hell with him.

Hey! You wrote elsewhere that you are committed to upholding standards of civic decency.

What gives? Oh wait. You were lying.

My bad. Forgot how your lies work. First you lie. Then you lie about lying. I always get the order confused.

Oh come now. It's not true that we get nothing from you but evasion, Tuci78.

We also get a living example of the educative purpose of punishment. You are kind enough to write death threats against the President, so that society can be reminded that those comments are each worth a five-year federal sentence.

You always go the extra mile for us. Pat yourself on the back and don't sell yourself short by condensing all your threats and gibberish into mere “evasion.”

Sure, there's evasion in your nonsense. You never prove anything. But there's so much more.

“Walk like a man!”

You don't even know what the definition of a lie is!

Much like you don't know what “burden of proof” means.

That's ok. You can keep whining about lies. I'll keep pointing out your lies. The equation balances itself out.

What a waste of space Stephen P is. A bunch of bitter words that mean nothing. Bottomline: Obama is an Indonesian named Barry Soetoro and needs to leave the Whitehouse ASAP.

Umm…good one? No…weak! That's the word I was looking for. Your response was as feeble as your mind and atrophied sense of decency (assuming that ever existed). Years after civil rights became entrenched, the racists either repented or became increasingly marginalized. Keep that in mind, you neo-Nazi scum.

Why don't you e-mail that to flag@whitehouse.gov? Then he can get put on Obama's Blacklist.

Seriously, if he's committing a crime, notify law enforcement. Let them handle it. If you don't think it's worth reporting to law enforcement, then it's time to find something else to do with your time, besides putting together a compilation of Tuci78s comments.

Needs to leave? Why? Is company coming over?

Oh wait. It's cool. He lives there. He can stay.

Tell you what.

You get me those links to sources backing up your birther claims that I've been asking you for.

Then I will consult you about the proper use of one's time. Until then, it seems to me that all you do is post inane lies and pose disingenuous questions. I don't respect how you spend your time. So I don't need to get any advice from you about how I spend mine.

Who is Stannie,are you talking about Stanley Ann Dunham/Obama.Maybe the reason we can't accept the senerio that Stanley Ann flew a dc3 back from kenya is because Obama still refuses to provide the proper papers to prove his lies.Like the one that he wrote after they were unable to have the funds to provide the famly to go with barrack sr. he abandons them in Hawaii?fact:just 15 days after Obama was borned Stanley Ann Obama takes the child and moves to Seatlle and leaves Barrack sr. never to have a family relationship with him again.It lie after lie and no one wants to hold Obama accountable.
As for your statement that NO ONE can accept a black president,is a bunch of racist hooey!(1) he's only half Black and (2)I believe that anyone that runs for the office of potus should be vetted properly (3)The night mare that i have a fear of comming true is the fact that this usurper is using his color to get him a job that he is NOT qualified to hold.and to bankrupt America.Now why did you vote for a half black man,was it because you want to live in a socialistic country that the goverment has total control over every thing you do,say or think,and the health care he will refuse to give if you are in the group that has medical needs,who he says would be a waste of money ? because thats where were heading.

Alinsky rule:if you can't defend what you stand for with facts ,attack the messenger and berate them by name calling and making other racist statements that has nothing to do with the facts or subject your discussing.
Hey here's an ideal,why don't you have your man Obama poney up the proof that he isn't a “DUEL CITIZEN” and this will not be a problem,except for Obama.but that won't happen until we prove he a liar,and a fraud.Which we have proved he is by his own biography.

It still beats obama's 6 pargraph medical record that he releasedLOL .Who ever told you that two lines make a pargraph?lmao .

What kind of Native American doesn't know how to spell “pony?”

Oh, right. A birther pretending to be Native American.

No. Obama wasn't required to show any papers to you. But he did. He posted his birth certificate online a long time ago. No other President has done that.

You just cannot accept Obama as President. Silly of you to continue to prove my point with every post you make.

How about some links to your “facts?” Or is it an Alinsky tactic for me to ask you to show some sort of factual basis for your outrageous claims?

The same person who told YOU that doing two lines of blow wouldn't affect your writing ability or clarity of thought.

Sounds like you and Obama have the same tastes after all,he's a confessed coke head too,I was wondering what them white lines on his teleprompter was, and Timothy Oleary is DEAD? looks like you'll need a another dealer?the more I read your comments it sounds like your a Dead head hold out that has taken too many trips on the acid,and Morrisson saw a naked Indian do you see a naked Muslim?
Seriously:because when we is find out and the truth,and it will come out,because a lie takes more lies to cover the lies that you spread and you can't remember the lies,then we will know and i hope and pray “WE” the people can stop this egomanic from bankrupting America like he planned with Acorn many moons ago?

“Seriously:because when we is find out and the truth…”

What, in the name of God, is serious about that disturbingly long, disjointed, run-on sentence?

The rest of your post is characteristically not worth any sort of response. Nothing new about that, coming from you, runninscared.

I am certain you cannot afford my billing rate.

Tell you what. I’m feeling generous. It’s the weekend.

We’ll barter.

For every link you provide me to a source that backs up any of the birther lies you tell, I will provide you a primer on a basic point of law.

fyi what does an OBot know about God?The same thing you know about Obama?Nothing?As for your knowledge of the lanugage and content of my blogs,Ive been trying to educated you with facts and all I get out of you is a lot of Blah,Blah Blah.
Running scared?LMAO from what a blow hard that can't even reputate the facts ,of someone who's only ability is to run off at the mouth on subjects he has NO CLUE about,or of what to say but keeps rambling on and on with second rate insults about something you know very little about but being limited to just insulting people you think makes you look educated?surprise your just an ignorant democrat that could find his own posterior with both hands and a map?So If you ever find something worth discussing then we'll continue this,but until you stop trying to be smarter than you think yourself to be,because, I and others are tired of your short,inaccurate,hippocritical,reptetitive,childish, attacks on people who actually know something who have been trying to drag you and others like you into the light?But it is written “When the light came into the world that men rejected the light and perferred darkness,to light!and if the Blind lead the blind then you will both fall in the ditch.The only thing the bear fears is?
GOD and finding an Obama Obot with any sense! LMAO.Two words I never expected to come from a blog from an Obot? Seriously and TRUTH !

Yeah The Indonesian Army?They want their secert decoder ring and books on how to be a “PRATICING MUSLIM back in the libary?It's way over due? LMAO again

matching wits with you would be like you taking a knife to a gun fight?and I would have to show you which end of the knife to hold?LMAO?
If you think Im not native American?you need to stand away from the stove the fumes are frying your brain cells?
I'll stop drinking fire water if you and Obama stop smoking your crack!Don't you know CRACK KILLS?

Such un retstrained anger have you taken your prozsac today?What? did Obama forget to refill your script.Hey it's in the Mail?For a second there i thought you actually had one,” Original thought”and if you understood socialism you would have “NEVER VOTED ” for Obama,which proves you don't know anything about him ,his policies or his agenda,that he has been trying to turn America into a socialistic country that stiffles the Americian way of life,and ideals of “FREE THINKING”In 16 years if you haven't figured that out I won't be wasting no perils on you.but please do us all a favor “STAY ON YOUR MEDS”

Seriously:No ! lets playwhat IF? what if a bathroom was built on the Canidian and United States border and you went in to use the the facilities,what would you be while in the bathroom?….American or Candidian?………………………………………….Europeaian………? art 2 section 1 paragraph 5?

Hey runninscared!

Thanks for giving me the best laugh I've had all day. You rarely see anyone who spells library that way.

I mean, uneducated hicks from Alabama to Oregon SAY “libary.” But no one writes that.

Except you.

So thanks.

I have nothing to say about your inability to spell “practicing.” Nor do I have any comment about your long-held habit of putting question marks where they don't belong.

You write like an idiot? Like you have no idea what you are trying to express? And your attempts at humor, like the secret decoder ring thing, are really funny but not for the reasons you think?

“Ive been trying to educated you with facts and all I get out of you is a lot of Blah,Blah Blah.”

Keep trying to educated me. I'm a little slower than you but eventually I'll catch up.

I mean in terms of the number of drinks I've had today compared to you.

“surprise your just an ignorant democrat that could find his own posterior with both hands and a map?”

You're right. I could find it. Don't even need both hands. I bet you COULD NOT find yours, huh?

You're one of those people who says “I could care less” when they mean they could not care less.

Because, see, as I keep patiently trying to tell you, you're really not too bright.

Why did you mess up that perfect storm of unnecessary question marks with an exclamation point?

You had a nice streak going? You were really on a roll? And then your gun jammed and I stabbed you with a number 2 pencil because I gave up trying to “educated” you and I don't even need a knife because you're so damned dull?

“Such un retstrained anger have you taken your prozsac today?”

The Prozac people told you to grow a sac.

And I don't have unrestrained anger toward Tuci78. I'm starting to build some anger toward the people who traded away your English skills in exchange for 24 dollars worth of beads and trinkets though.

Wait a minute. That was for Manhattan. You gave up literacy and got nothing in exchange except question marks.

“Canidian and United States border and you went in to use the the facilities,what would you be while in the bathroom?….American or Candidian?………………………………………….Europeaian….”

Nice try. It's a trick question, everybody.

The U.S. does not share a border with Canidia or Candidia. I bet Voltaire could explain this better than I could.

Anyone going to Europeaia? Ask Voltaire to explain geography to runninscared. But only when he's sober.

well you may be able to spell library,but i guess you are ignorant of the use of puntuations.And if you looked up the correct spelling of library you should have looked up the question mark?Or were you skipping school that day?Well I guess since the only thing you are able to do is use spell check look up wikipedia and read the use of punctuations of the ?,and the different uses of such English symbols of writtings that you are obivously missing from your limited schooling?
Once again you try to act smarter than you think your self to be,but in the end you are still just a insignificant piece of fecal matter floating on the sea of life,there? is spelled right ?LMAO??????????????????????????????????

“well you may be able to spell library,but i guess you are ignorant of the use of puntuations”

I don't know what “puntuations” are. Is it something you do on 4th down?

I assure you that I don't need any more formal instruction about punctuation usage. I wouldn't mind getting RosettaStone to accelerate my acquisition of your rudimentary, colorful language. I am picking up the broad outline by osmosis, but I need to drill down on some of the finer points.

“the different uses of such English symbols of writtings that you are obivously missing from your limited schooling?”

My schooling, limited to 19 years as it was, nonetheless taught me to spell things like “writings.” Yet, yours “obivously” did not do the same for you.

I didn't tell you anything about your repeated usage of the misspelled word “pargraph” at the top of the thread. But if you're going to be churlish, I must ask what the hell a “pargraph” is. Is it anything like a bar graph? Because if it involves a bar, I bet you know more about it than I do, Mister Fire-Water.

I don't try to act smarter than I think myself to be. How absurd. I could possibly act smarter than I actually am. But I'm not exceeding my own self-image. Write for yourself, runninscared. You do a rather abysmal job of it, but you do worse when you try to write for me.

It was a “WHAT IF joke stupid not a geography lesson.

Wow, more editorials. And that WND article is almost a year old! Look, you can copy and paste news articles all you want, but I’ve already read them. You ask for my sources, I’ve quoted the Constitution, legislation from the First United States Congress defining a natural born citizen, and Dr. Chiyome Fukino stating that original birth records were not destroyed(contradicting CNN lies). Did I lie about one of these things, or something else?

Wow, more editorials. And that WND article is almost a year old! Look, you can copy and paste news articles all you want, but I’ve already read them. You ask for my sources, I’ve quoted the Constitution, legislation from the First United States Congress defining a natural born citizen, and Dr. Chiyome Fukino stating that original birth records were not destroyed(contradicting CNN lies). Did I lie about one of these things, or something else?

You know, instead of going into what I’ve said that’s false, you attack me in general. If you can’t get specific about what I’ve lied about, my point is made. Give me an example of my lies, I’m still waiting. What have I said here that is false?

You know, instead of going into what I’ve said that’s false, you attack me in general. If you can’t get specific about what I’ve lied about, my point is made. Give me an example of my lies, I’m still waiting. What have I said here that is false?

Any specific lies I’ve told? Can you give an example?

Any specific lies I’ve told? Can you give an example?

Please post that link about Dr. West, I can’t seem to find the Buffalo Gazette.

Please post that link about Dr. West, I can’t seem to find the Buffalo Gazette.

Nonsense about sealed records that are not sealed. –>
Where can I find his college transcripts?

Orly Taitz lawsuits, you need to specify which one, she has a lot. As far as the Kenyan BC, court never accepted it. How can we know if it’s a forgery? It has as much credibility as the COLB from fact check.

How do you soften up a lie? Either it’s a lie or it isn’t. Were Americans welcome in Pakistan, or not?

During the campaign, Michele Obama said: “For the first time in my life, I’m proud of my country.” Did she not say that? I heard it with my own ears.

You said nothing to refute my claims he’s been tied to terrorists, instead making a lame joke about how Palin said it first.

You say broken promises don’t count, you’re right. I’m trying to give you insight into my suspicions. His actions show his loyalties far more accurately than a birth certificate.

I like how you’ve compared him to Bush, because I suspect Bush and Obama have their strings pulled by the same puppeteer.

Nonsense about sealed records that are not sealed. –>
Where can I find his college transcripts?

Orly Taitz lawsuits, you need to specify which one, she has a lot. As far as the Kenyan BC, court never accepted it. How can we know if it’s a forgery? It has as much credibility as the COLB from fact check.

How do you soften up a lie? Either it’s a lie or it isn’t. Were Americans welcome in Pakistan, or not?

During the campaign, Michele Obama said: “For the first time in my life, I’m proud of my country.” Did she not say that? I heard it with my own ears.

You said nothing to refute my claims he’s been tied to terrorists, instead making a lame joke about how Palin said it first.

You say broken promises don’t count, you’re right. I’m trying to give you insight into my suspicions. His actions show his loyalties far more accurately than a birth certificate.

I like how you’ve compared him to Bush, because I suspect Bush and Obama have their strings pulled by the same puppeteer.

Your jokes are dumber than you are, Bear. It wasn’t anything to do with “what if.”

You wrote “lets playwhat IF?” So you have a misspelled word (lets), a combined word (playwhat) and a random capitalization (IF). More idiocy per syllable than Sarah Palin.

I’m not going to sit quietly and let a man who cannot spell “Canada” or “Europe” suffer in relative anonymity.

Here’s hoping that you learn geography well enough to get past the liquor store on the intersection nearest your house.

Be honest. You don’t know who Voltaire is or why I wrote what I did about him, do you? Go on and Google it if you can spell it correctly. Just cut and paste it. I don’t want you Googling “voltage” and then learning how to electrocute yourself by sticking a fork in an outlet.

Your jokes are dumber than you are, Bear. It wasn’t anything to do with “what if.”

You wrote “lets playwhat IF?” So you have a misspelled word (lets), a combined word (playwhat) and a random capitalization (IF). More idiocy per syllable than Sarah Palin.

I’m not going to sit quietly and let a man who cannot spell “Canada” or “Europe” suffer in relative anonymity.

Here’s hoping that you learn geography well enough to get past the liquor store on the intersection nearest your house.

Be honest. You don’t know who Voltaire is or why I wrote what I did about him, do you? Go on and Google it if you can spell it correctly. Just cut and paste it. I don’t want you Googling “voltage” and then learning how to electrocute yourself by sticking a fork in an outlet.

hey Stupidperry,
I wish for once in your life you could say something worth discussing but I can see your compensatory education has left you with a limited abilty to get pass name callings and your obvious attempt at your lame humor,by purposely mis resprenting my name.I guess if you are unable to rise above your pettyness and anger that seems to be hiding racist feelings that permeates with every blogg.By using Alinisnky's rule to attack anyone your “Id”(That's your EGO asshole) can't allow you to discuss maturely the short commings of your racist political decision that you can't defend intellectually without resorting to name calling. Your compensatory edcuation is the real reason your can't rise above these bigoted names,and deep seated haterd and jealously that your obivouly have had passed from your parents.Theres an old saying the apples don't fall from the tree? and you are the proof .

I’m tempted to call you names here. “Stupid” comes readily to mind.

Yes, they are editorials. Editorials come from the editors. They are thus speaking for the entire publication, rather than when a reporter publishes his or her own opinion.

Yes, the WND article is a year old. That means you birther dumbasses should have known better than to keep repeating lies, because even WND told you a year ago that the COLB is authentic.

So do you always ask for the “freshest” bottle of wine when you go out to dinner?

You haven’t quoted anything useful from the Constitution. There’s nothing in it that defines “natural born citizen,” much less mandates that a President who is already President has to show dumb-as-rocks birthers his birth certificate just because they don’t believe what they see online.

Your “legislation” from the First U.S. Congress doesn’t define a natural born citizen and doesn’t have jack shit to do with this situation anyway. Otherwise you’d have heard Rush Limbaugh talking about it.

So if you want to rely on Dr. Fukino correcting CNN’s lies, what’s wrong with relying on Dr. Fukino telling the world that she has seen Obama’s original vital records and he is a natural born citizen?

Checkmate, stupid. Sorry, couldn’t resist. You had it coming.

Glad to know that your “sources” are as useless as your posts.

I’m tempted to call you names here. “Stupid” comes readily to mind.

Yes, they are editorials. Editorials come from the editors. They are thus speaking for the entire publication, rather than when a reporter publishes his or her own opinion.

Yes, the WND article is a year old. That means you birther dumbasses should have known better than to keep repeating lies, because even WND told you a year ago that the COLB is authentic.

So do you always ask for the “freshest” bottle of wine when you go out to dinner?

You haven’t quoted anything useful from the Constitution. There’s nothing in it that defines “natural born citizen,” much less mandates that a President who is already President has to show dumb-as-rocks birthers his birth certificate just because they don’t believe what they see online.

Your “legislation” from the First U.S. Congress doesn’t define a natural born citizen and doesn’t have jack shit to do with this situation anyway. Otherwise you’d have heard Rush Limbaugh talking about it.

So if you want to rely on Dr. Fukino correcting CNN’s lies, what’s wrong with relying on Dr. Fukino telling the world that she has seen Obama’s original vital records and he is a natural born citizen?

Checkmate, stupid. Sorry, couldn’t resist. You had it coming.

Glad to know that your “sources” are as useless as your posts.

Bullshit. I didn’t just attack you in general. I went into what was wrong with your idiotic posts, and THEN I attacked you specifically.

Your argument structure is flawed. I got specific about your lies. But even if I didn’t, all you ever do is make up gibberish and then say “disprove it.”

The flaw is that YOU have to prove your idiotic lies. I don’t have to disprove them.

You can keep waiting. I don’t give a shit. We’ve all seen that you have no evidence to back up your lies. I’ve been posting here for a long time. I’ve posted more citations to law and more articles by mainstream journalists than anyone else here. And nbc1 posted all the evidence anyone could ever need, without ever making the personal attacks that I delight in making. Thus I incorporate nbc1′s posts by reference.

What’s false, little pretender, about what you said here, is that you indicated you would provide sources. You already proved that you were full of shit, because you simply reiterated the non-evidence you’ve already provided (irrelevant citation to “the Constitution” and “the first U.S. Congress” as well as a non-sequitur about Dr. Fukino correcting an alleged lie by CNN). If you had any sources, you should have provided them. Thus that’s a false statement.

Am I going too fast for you? I can get runninbear to do sign language or something for you.

Bullshit. I didn’t just attack you in general. I went into what was wrong with your idiotic posts, and THEN I attacked you specifically.

Your argument structure is flawed. I got specific about your lies. But even if I didn’t, all you ever do is make up gibberish and then say “disprove it.”

The flaw is that YOU have to prove your idiotic lies. I don’t have to disprove them.

You can keep waiting. I don’t give a shit. We’ve all seen that you have no evidence to back up your lies. I’ve been posting here for a long time. I’ve posted more citations to law and more articles by mainstream journalists than anyone else here. And nbc1 posted all the evidence anyone could ever need, without ever making the personal attacks that I delight in making. Thus I incorporate nbc1′s posts by reference.

What’s false, little pretender, about what you said here, is that you indicated you would provide sources. You already proved that you were full of shit, because you simply reiterated the non-evidence you’ve already provided (irrelevant citation to “the Constitution” and “the first U.S. Congress” as well as a non-sequitur about Dr. Fukino correcting an alleged lie by CNN). If you had any sources, you should have provided them. Thus that’s a false statement.

Am I going too fast for you? I can get runninbear to do sign language or something for you.

Yes, read the posts where you make claims of truth, rather than just stupid irrelevant rhetorical questions asking me to disprove your lies.

You remember your Nietzsche, don’t you? “There is no lie that is not a claim of truth, and no claim of truth that is not a lie.”

So stop wasting my time with asking me to disprove lies when in fact I have already done that. Just not on THIS mini-thread, since this mini-thread doesn’t contain any claims of truth from you; it only has your annoying questions asking me to disprove what you wrote elsewhere. Get to the source.

Yes, read the posts where you make claims of truth, rather than just stupid irrelevant rhetorical questions asking me to disprove your lies.

You remember your Nietzsche, don’t you? “There is no lie that is not a claim of truth, and no claim of truth that is not a lie.”

So stop wasting my time with asking me to disprove lies when in fact I have already done that. Just not on THIS mini-thread, since this mini-thread doesn’t contain any claims of truth from you; it only has your annoying questions asking me to disprove what you wrote elsewhere. Get to the source.

It’s called the Buffalo News, not the Buffalo Gazette. My mistake.

Here’s the link:

http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html

It’s called the Buffalo News, not the Buffalo Gazette. My mistake.

Here’s the link:

http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html

Ah, at last, here we come to the part where I disproved all your silly lies.

I didn’t say you can read his college transcripts. But they are not SEALED. You can’t read MY transcripts either. But they are not sealed. They’re just not available for public perusal.

My guess is you don’t know what “sealed” means.

His Senate voting record and his state senate voting record are just as available as anyone else’s. They have not been sealed.

Orly Taitz has never had another Kenyan birth certificate get expunged from the record before the Court because she was too dumb to figure out how to file a motion. It only happened one time. I posted the link to the Salon article and the PDF of the judge’s order striking the birth certificate.

You did try to soften up the lie, genius. Pakistan allowed Americans to travel there in 1981. The standard birther lie is to claim that they were forbidden to travel there. You couldn’t bring yourself to write it, so you tried the nonsense about how Americans weren’t welcome there. So that’s called softening up a lie. Either Americans could travel there or they couldn’t. And the truth is they could. They were as welcome there as any other country’s citizens, in that the government would allow them entry. Whether people threw rose petals at their feet is another issue.

Black people may not be welcome in your neighborhood, but I could go there if I wanted.

You didn’t hear Michelle Obama say “For the first time in my life, I’m proud of my country.” What are you, simple? THIS IS THE THING SHE IS MOST FAMOUS FOR SAYING AND YOU CAN’T GET IT RIGHT!

She said “for the first time in my ADULT life, I’m REALLY proud of my country.” Totally different sentence. I’m sure you don’t get it. That’s okay. You’re simple.

Your claim that he has been tied to terrorists is total repugnant bullshit. Or is it your belief that Walter Annenberg, who was Reagan’s Ambassador to Great Britain, was a terrorist? Because Annenberg knew very well who was on his educational board. He died in 2002. But before he died, he was personally involved with his charitable and philanthropic work. He gave $110 million to my university and I watched him land his helicopter in the middle of campus. Not a guy who loved terrorists. He knew very well who William Ayers is. So does everyone in Chicago. Ayers is very well-respected. Otherwise no Republican would ask him to sit on an educational board.

Obama is not the one who asked Ayers to sit on that board, genius. Annenberg is. So take up your bullshit with his widow.

And no one “tied” Obama to any terrorist. You’re simple.

“His actions show his loyalties…” Agreed. His actions make me proud that he’s a loyal American.

Your actions show that you’re a petulant child who whines and has no argument. Run along and play with your puppets.

Osmosis perry:
Is that what you call your brain,when it soaks up what limited volcabulary words that you constantly are unable to refrain from using.The same dribble that you seem to think gives you excuse to avoid factual political debates by not allowing the truth or facts to enter that permafrost you call your Grey matter?but if Ihave increased your use to spell check my blogs, then your social osmosis has began.because we all know osmosis ridden brains can only absorb so much.especially when your ego is as big as the foriegner you voted for.

“Theres an old saying the apples don't fall from the tree?”

Wow. I don't know where you get your information. Apples do fall from the tree. Ask Issac Newton.

The rest of your post isn't much more than “a limited ability to get pass name callings and your obvious attempt at lame humor.”

Got anything to support your ridiculously false claims about Obama's eligibility yet? No? Okay then, more fire-water for you, runninscared.

“Osmosis perry?” I thought Stupidperry was better. At least it was all one word.

I don't know what a “volcabulary” word is. Is it something you find at an apothecary? Or down a volcano?

Next time you're in either of those places, try to find some evidence to support your wacko theories about Obama's ineligibility. And bring them here. It will give us something to discuss besides your attempt to land punches while lying flat on your back.

Since you have so much free time, why don't you compile a list of my lies, so I can figure out which of my statements you dispute. You never specify what I lie about, just call me names. Saul Alinsky would be proud.

Still showing your ignorance about the ? mark.That's as funny as you knowing what a number to pencil is used for?lol,your inability to teach anything to anyone is only surpassed by your own ignorance and compenatory education that one would think you received from you being home schooled by a chimpanzee.The fact that you can't keep your self from blogging to the bear shows your admiration that I have taken you from being a Idiot to being a self absorbed bigot which has revealed your latent racist feelings that has been obivous from the your first blog.

It doesn't take a lot of free time to do what I do. Just honesty. Which is why it seems to you that it takes a long time.

I have told you which of your statements I dispute. Look at your posts. Look at my responses. It's all on this thread. Stop being disingenuous.

I went line-by-line through one of them and refuted every one. I provided several links in another response. I did in fact specify what you lied about.

And, by the way, I don't call you names. Telling you that you lie is not calling you a name. If you want me to call you names, just say so. I'm bored with you birthers.

LMAO. So now you refer to yourself as “the bear,” huh?

That's fine, I'll call you “the bear,” since it makes me laugh. Plus I'm a big fan of Bear Grylls. Man vs. Wild. So you're Man vs. Language.

You're wrong, as usual. And not just about punctuation. God knows where you learned to misuse a question mark. But I don't admire you; that's the specific error I'm discussing at present.

When I first saw a post from you, I felt sorry for you. You wrote this 2,000 word, single paragraph post that was basically one long misspelled rambling run-on sentence.

I didn't feel sorry for you because you're not a good writer or because you're a birther. I felt sorry for you because I grew up in Albuquerque, surrounded on all sides by Native American reservations, and in Oklahoma City, a stop on the Trail of Tears. The notion that an actual Native American would write what you write is saddening. Which is why I console myself by remembering that you lie about everything, so it is plausible and probable that you lie about being Native American.

Regardless, your offensive nonsense about Obama's mother's sex life made me stop feeling sympathetic about your plight. So if you want to continue projecting your bigotry, ignorance, and other flaws onto me, that's fine. I don't mind mocking you until someone more amusing comes along.

I obviously failed to teach you what “a number to pencil” is for. In fairness to me, I didn't try. I don't call it a “number to” because that's absurd idiocy.

I wasn't home schooled by a chimpanzee. You're thinking of Randwulf.

I don't have any racist feelings, latent or otherwise. Randwulf again.

Hey, catch you next time Bear. Don't forget to use your question marks up before they go out of style.

your right? I meant to say they don't fall far from the tree? thanks for proof reading my blog? I was in a hurry and missed that one ? but you still know what was meant and if thats all you got?
You should go get a job as Obama's teleprompter?at least he would have spell the facts he didn't know correctly.FYI Firewater isn't hyphenated.I guess you never heard of a compound word,?Iguess you have been smoking crack again? LMAO!

wrong it's another compound word?and if you like stupidperry better, then that's what we will all address you as? STUPIDPERRY? Ican see why you liked it ?LMAO

You're the first person I know who doesn't know how to use a question mark but tries to correct someone about “fire-water.”

Who cares what you meant to say, Bear? We're not even all that interested in what you WRITE.

You were in a hurry? Oh that's rich. This coming from the guy who writes 2,000 word posts about gibberish. I'm SURE you're really pressed for time, genius.

“Ican” see why you're really stupid. You keep giving me examples.

But who's “we” in the “we will all address you as” part?

No one except birthers would ever follow your suggestion.

And “Stupidperry” IS a better nickname than Osmosis Perry. Only because Stupid at least has the first two letters in common with my name, and because “Osmosis Perry” is really fucking lame as a nickname.

You can call me what you want, Bear. As long as you're calling me something, that means you're less likely to pass out from alcohol poisoning. So bring it on.

A new article from WND (credible source, according to you), that reports on the eBay certificate, and how it's a fraud. There is one part of the article that concerns me:

“Administrators and doctors at the hospital told WND sources that in 2004 a high-level team of Kenya's National Security Intelligence Service came to the hospital and seized all files containing birth certificate documents from the years 1960 through 1963.

According to the hospital administrators and doctors interviewed at the hospital, it was not until four months later that Kenya's National Security Intelligence Service returned the seized files to the hospital.”

Now, I don't know why Kenya's National Security Intelligence Service would do something like that, but I can speculate. Obama was running for the Senate in 2004. You don't have to be a Natural Born Citizen to be a Senator, just a citizen for 9 years.

If he is a Usurper as suspected, it would make sense. He couldn't just decide one day to do this, it would take some planning. Once he wins the senate race, the presidency is in reach. Why not call in a few favors, have some birth records destroyed.

Interesting, Kibaki's government was in charge in 2004. Odinga was one of his biggest campaigners. In 2007, Odinga ran against Kibaki, and Kibaki narrowly won. However, the election was Bush/Gore close, so it had to be decided by the election official.

-Wikipedia article on Mwai Kibaki

“When the election was eventually investigated by the Independent Review Commission (IREC) on the 2007 Elections chaired by Justice Johann Kriegler, it was found that there were too many electoral malpractices from several regions perpetrated by all the contesting parties to conclusively establish which candidate won the December 2007 Presidential elections. Such malpractices included widespread bribery, vote buying, intimidation and ballot-stuffing by both sides, as well as incompetence from the Electoral Commission of Kenya (ECK)(which was shortly thereafter disbanded by Parliament).[51]]”

-Wikipedia article on Mwai Kibaki

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your ignorances is only surpassed by your egotistical stupidity of the use of lanugage and inability to just check what is common knowledge to anyone above the 5th grade.Which you make so obivous that your are NOT as smart as a fifth grader. and your lack of knowledge of the native americans who died in the forced relocation that killed 4000 of my Ancestors,and to say you know about this is about as true as you know ANYTHING about Obama.Which we all know you are as clueless as you are hubris.Broadcasting your racist comments in blogs toward other races? I won't waste my time anymore with such self absorbed racist like you,because now I see that you are not an Obamabot,I doubt that your are even able to vote,probably being the felon you are,much less registered as any political party member.Like all racists they are cowards and they have to hide behind the people and hurl insults instead of mature discussion with people who are willing to stand for their country.
I can see that your only reason for your futile existence is to troll the bloggs hoping to catch a concerned Americans,and pull your racist games.Not by intellectual debate but low brow insults,but without spell check you would be as naked as the perverbal jaybird? Im a card toting redblooded Native American,and if you can find someone to show you the way to Oklahoma i would be glad to show you why they call me that.maybe you can google that and at least learn something?No I guess not. Stupidperry is as Stupidperry does?

“(credible source, according to you)”

WTF?

Who are you addressing this top-of-the-thread post to?

Who said World Net Daily is a credible source?

When WND published an article a year ago, Aug. 23, 2008 to be exact, stating that its team of document forgery experts could not find any forgery in Obama's online COLB, THAT was newsworthy and credible.

The reason is that WND has a ridiculously-obvious right-wing bias. So it is a one-way ratchet. They are EXPECTED to write absurd things bashing Obama and Democrats. Whey they find themselves unable to do so, THAT is credible and newsworthy.

That is why I only cite right-wing sites when I attack birther arguments. It's much more persuasive coming from a source that cannot seriously be accused of being “in the tank” for Obama. Otherwise I would just bombard you with Daily Kos and HuffPo articles.

WND is not a credible source. They're an entertainment website that fills empty-headed right-wing heads of the people who aren't patient enough to sit through 3 hours of Rush Limbaugh (or just don't know how to tell time and thus keep missing his broadcasts).

“because now I see that you are not an Obamabot,”

Wow. What took you so long to write something true, Bear?

You don't know what I know about Native Americans. You're right in that I don't personally know anyone who died on the Trail of Tears. Kinda before my time, you see.

But I knew, grew up with, and befriended plenty of Native Americans, and if you don't believe me I really don't care. Believe it or not, I'm not trying to win you over. You might have noticed that by my constant reminders to you of your idiocy.

I stopped having any use for you when you wrote those ridiculous smears about Obama's mother's sex life. Before that you were just sort of amusing in a
“confused, verbose, bumbling oaf on acid watching the northern lights” sort of way. After that you became less sympathetic as a character in the birther mystery.

I don't use spell-check. I just type in the box and hit “post as stephenperry.” You obviously need a spell-checker. I would loan you mine if I didn't know you would just trade it for cheap whisky.

The man is not now and was never a natural-born US citizen and is therefore illegally in office. His very first act as prez was to seal all the documents of his school/college records & he has still not produced an original Birth Certificate. He may have been born a dual-citizen in Hawaii or a Brit in Hawaii, Kenya or possibly Canada. He was later adopted at about age five in Indonesia as Moslem Barry Soetoro. He went to Hawaii on an unknown passport at age ten to visit his grandparents the Dunhams & stayed to adulthood. His '79 HS diploma was probably awarded to Barry Soetoro and that would explain how he got a passport to Pakistan & applied to Occidental College as a foreign student. We are presently in the midst of a constitutional crisis and the beginning of another civil war. Obama is a usurper and he must depart the Oval Office ASAP.

Yeah it's too bad it's all true?

Hey GrahamCracker. Nice to see you haven't given up.

“Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one.” –Emerson

So all you have to do is be right, and then you'll be in the majority. Think of how cool that will be, when you finally get something right. Dare to dream, GrahamCracker, dare to dream!

Ah, again with the needless question mark.

No, Bear, it's not true. It's just more of your usual unsupported, run-on sentence, misspelled gibberish.

You still try to do your thinking with your head up your ass? Because you're an idiot? Who doesn't know the first thing about any of the things he writes?

Get back to the fire-water, big guy. Words ain't your thing.

StephenFetchit speaks but as usual has nothing of value to say.

Hey that's an improvement. “StephenFetchit” is catchy and racist, so it's better than your usual dull-and-racist slurs.

But I don't pronounce my name “Stefen.” The “ph” is a “v” sound. Like Stephen King.

So as usual you're wrong. And racist!

Good job, GrahamCracker. I didn't want any surprises from you. Predictability, that's what I like about our relationship. You're the idiot racist jackass, and I'm the straight man in the comedy routine.

“I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FLAMING!” –Homer Simpson

And thinking isn't yours?LOSER?LMAO

Fetchit-I don't really care about your life story. You are so simple-minded you think anybody who questions Obama's citizenship is a racist. You are the real racist because you think we should give Obama a pass on being constitutionally qualified just because the man is part-black.

GrahamCracker, what makes you think that what you care about matters to me?

I call you a racist because you write racist things. Stop me if I'm going too quickly for you to follow along.

I don't think you should give Obama a pass on being Constitutionally quallified. He posted his birth certificate. Nothing to give a pass about, he proved he's qualified.

Now, why were you willing to give the previous 43 guys, all white guys, of course, a pass as to THEIR Constitutional qualifications?

GrahamCracker, you're a silly, racist, doofus.

Red – Say it out loud, President Barack Hussein Obama, 44th President of the United States.

Hmm.

Well, I guess you and I have a different definition of sealed.

That’s the impression I got after I read his first executive order: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

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See, my “impression” of you is that you’re not very bright.

Did you even READ the document at that link?

It has nothing to do with Obama sealing any records. Please quote the language you are relying on, if you believe otherwise.

I read the entire thing. It is a document that REDUCES the secrecy given to Presidential records, and makes it clear that disclosure of same is to be PROMOTED pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act.

It just attempts to undo some of the damage done by President Bush, who, with Cheney’s help, did try to cut off the citizenry’s ability to discern what the hell the folks in the Oval Office were up to in any circumstance.

The fact that you misrepresent the truth is not surprising. That you bothered to include a link so that we can all see how silly you are, is a bit unusual. You never post links. Now I can see why.

Rats. I had such high hopes for you.

You've dashed them. You are now regressing. Punctuation was never a strong suit for you. But now you've lost the ability to put spaces between your sentence fragments.

You, Bear, are giving the stereotypical drunken Injun a bad name.

Please stop pretending to be Native American before you do further damage. At this point you're also giving birthers a bad name. They will soon ask you to stop pretending to be a birther.

Isn't there any website where you can watch giant trucks running over little cars? I'm sure you'd enjoy that more than getting your many flaws pointed out to you in writing.

Jim, that's not fair.

You asked GrahamCracker to say things out loud. You know he's bashful about his lisp.

You could have at least included a pronunciation guide for the difficult words. You know, “President” and “United.” They each have 3 syllables. GrahamCracker's limit is 2.

I suppose you're getting sterner with the birthers as time goes on and they refuse to admit defeat.

When is Orly going to come back and save them? My guess is she's laying low so she cannot be served with the summons and complaint in the lawsuit Phil Berg filed against her.

None of the past presidents who needed to be natural-born were Brits or had dual-citizenship before being adopted in Indonesia.

Interesting theory, GrahamCracker. Wrong, as usual. But interesting.

None were Brits? What about the first half-dozen Presidents? Their fathers were all British. Like Augustine Washington.

Do you know ANYTHING about citizenship law? Natural-born citizens of the U.S. are often also citizens of other countries.

Picture a Jewish couple. The father is an Israeli who lives in Tel Aviv. The mother is an American living in New York City. Mom has the baby in a Manhattan hospital. The baby is a natural-born U.S. citizen, by virtue of being born here. The baby has Israeli citizenship, as well, by virtue of being the child of an Israeli.

The kid can run for President.

More to the point, you know NOTHING about whether a person can have dual citizenship and be President. The Constitution does not forbid it. It just requires that the person be a natural-born citizen of the U.S.

You also don't know whether any past President in fact held dual citizenship as a minor (or as an adult!).

I already told you that you're a silly doofus, didn't I? Lemme check. Yup, there it is in my last post. But still, I want to be sure you get the point, GrahamCracker. You're not the prize in the box of graham crackers. (Or CrackerJacks, FakeJim!) Not by a long shot.

Fetchit-Notice I stated presidents “who needed to be natural-born”. Perhaps you could enlighten us on exactly when did BHO claim his preference for US citizenship? Maybe it was when he legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama? Wouldn't you think a boy flying to Hawaii to visit his grandparents from his home in Indonesia would have had an Indonesian passport? Then when he stayed for elementary school in Honolulu he probably attended as Indonesian Barry Soetoro and then on thru high school. That Indonesian passport is probably what set him up for the Pakistan trip & applying to Occidental College as a foreign student. The man needs to get right with God and come clean with the American people.

See, GrahamCracker, what you don't understand is that a child with dual-citizenship does not need to “claim a preference for U.S. citizenship.”

His U.S. citizenship is his unless and until he disavows it, in writing.

You have no evidence of any of your absurd claims.

For example, you have no evidence that he legally changed his name. Nor do you have any evidence that he had an Indonesian passport.

Why wouldn't he have used his American passport to travel to Pakistan? You're not still peddling the lie that Americans were banned from Pakistan, are you?

Sigh. GrahamCracker, this is why I tell you that you're stupid. It's because you write stupid things.

Get right with God. Stop worrying about the American people. They're in good hands as of Nov. 4, 2008.

September 11th is Patriot Day & the 17th is Constitution Day. On at least those two days let us pray for the salvation of the man some people refer to as “President” and/or “Barack Obama”. I pray he will get right with God, come clean with the American people about his past and resign from office. If he resigns immediately before any indictment VP Biden will become president & BHO can be pardoned for his deceit.

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Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records

When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”

I’m obviously not as smart as you, can you translate this for me? Because it looks to me the archivist is being told not to release anything that makes them(the presidents) look bad.

If you don’t accept the Constitution, Legislation from the 1st United States Congress, and a quote from Dr. Fukino that is 100% verifiable, and reported, then what is acceptable? How is quoting Dr. Fukino a false statement? Do you really need me to provide the article? You assume I made it up? Here you go: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105233

Tell me what is false about the Fukino quote?

Well, no wonder I couldn’t find it. It’s an interesting read, but hardly proof of his birthplace, or citizenship. I want you to understand why an online COLB verfies nothing, and the same goes for the kenyan nonsense floating around.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2299

The article doesn’t confirm forgery, and the headline is misleading, but but the point is even the court acknowledged online documents are too easy to forge.

I hate to wait until next year, but Orly Taitz did finally get a judge that will hear the case on its merits, which is good, because this lady seems to make a lot of technical mistakes. Won’t get going until January, but at least it’s being heard, instead of rejected on technicalities.

Dr. Fukino never stated he was a natural born citizen, only that his birth certificate is on record.

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

Then, when it wouldn’t go away, she issued another press release:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file for the Hawai’i State Department of health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Why would Fukino be so careful not to state he was a natural born citizen, when that was clearly the issue she was addressing? Why did it take her 8 months to specify he’s NBC? Fishy.

Now, you’ve asked me once again to take this lady’s word for it. You know I won’t.

Just for the sake of fun, I’ll assume she’s not lying. Then, why did CNN say there was no original birth record, that it was destroyed? Why would a news organization LIE, damaging their credibility, just to kill a story that’s supposedly not true in the first place? It just doesn’t make sense. Fishy.

Maybe I’m just too STUPID to figure out what CNN was doing. Could you help me understand?

Maybe I’m STUPID for not believing in an online document that could be easily forged.

Maybe Rush Limbaugh cares more about money than America.

By the way, wine is for snooty lefties like yourself. I do ask for their freshest bottle of Shiner Bock.

You’re right about me not being able to afford you, I pay taxes. Plus, as a conservative, I’d have to invest my money in someone mature enough to debate me without name-calling.

Here’s the evidence of forgery right here buddy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts

“Birthers claimed the COLB is forged. They would say the same thing about any other birth certificate produced by or on behalf of Obama. And then he would have legitimized your bullshit by responding to it.”

By that logic, you’ve legitimized the birther movement quite a bit yourself. Don’t you think?

Maybe you should look into the logic of the logic you employ.

Wow, you blew me out of the water with that one! You didn’t address any of my points, but golly, you sure did insult me! Let me tell you, that really hurts my feelings. You should see the tears running down my face. I see the light! Insulting me only proves Obama is the Messiah! I can see his messianic aura eminating from his pictures now! My eyes are open! I’ve seen the light! All praise Obama, the saviour of mankind! I wish that I could be one of his apostles, but I’m not a tax-dodger or lobbyist. I shall cast down this cross I bare, in exchange for an “O” to nail myself to.

So there is no shadow document for the COLB?

What’s This: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347

Looks to me like your editorials are more interested in appeasing their leash-holder, than in the truth.

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world-famouse brand products,such as gucci,chanel,nike ,louis vuitton.

these products have best quality and low price. they also give me

their Business card.their website is http://www.ctgtradep.com .I introduce

this shop to you.I plan to import products from their shop and resell

them here.This is not bad suggestion .They are looking for investment

agent.the price is competitive.If you are interested in the

products,please have a look.have a good day. d–*

Hi,dear friend,

during my travel in Hong Kong,I find a good shop which sell

world-famouse brand products,such as gucci,chanel,nike ,louis vuitton.

these products have best quality and low price. they also give me

their Business card.their website is http://www.ctgtradep.com .I introduce

this shop to you.I plan to import products from their shop and resell

them here.This is not bad suggestion .They are looking for investment

agent.the price is competitive.If you are interested in the

products,please have a look.have a good day. d–*

Hi,dear friend,

during my travel in Hong Kong,I find a good shop which sell

world-famouse brand products,such as gucci,chanel,nike ,louis vuitton.

these products have best quality and low price. they also give me

their Business card.their website is http://www.ctgtradep.com .I introduce

this shop to you.I plan to import products from their shop and resell

them here.This is not bad suggestion .They are looking for investment

agent.the price is competitive.If you are interested in the

products,please have a look.have a good day. d–*

hi

friend ,i have bought a product in the http://www.zol-inshop8.com .the

quality is very excellent .they mainly sell electronic products .for

example ,motocycle ,laptop ,tv ,GPS phone and so on .

now ,in order to celebrate the Christmas Day . the price is very

preferential .pls visit and appreciate it slowly ,then you can buy

the product which you need .

greetings 5–d

hi

friend ,i have bought a product in the http://www.zol-inshop8.com .the

quality is very excellent .they mainly sell electronic products .for

example ,motocycle ,laptop ,tv ,GPS phone and so on .

now ,in order to celebrate the Christmas Day . the price is very

preferential .pls visit and appreciate it slowly ,then you can buy

the product which you need .

greetings 5–d

hi

friend ,i have bought a product in the http://www.zol-inshop8.com .the

quality is very excellent .they mainly sell electronic products .for

example ,motocycle ,laptop ,tv ,GPS phone and so on .

now ,in order to celebrate the Christmas Day . the price is very

preferential .pls visit and appreciate it slowly ,then you can buy

the product which you need .

greetings 5–d

hi

friend ,i have bought a product in the http://www.zol-inshop8.com .the

quality is very excellent .they mainly sell electronic products .for

example ,motocycle ,laptop ,tv ,GPS phone and so on .

now ,in order to celebrate the Christmas Day . the price is very

preferential .pls visit and appreciate it slowly ,then you can buy

the product which you need .

greetings 5–d

hi

friend ,i have bought a product in the http://www.zol-inshop8.com .the

quality is very excellent .they mainly sell electronic products .for

example ,motocycle ,laptop ,tv ,GPS phone and so on .

now ,in order to celebrate the Christmas Day . the price is very

preferential .pls visit and appreciate it slowly ,then you can buy

the product which you need .

greetings 5–d

hi

friend ,i have bought a product in the http://www.zol-inshop8.com .the

quality is very excellent .they mainly sell electronic products .for

example ,motocycle ,laptop ,tv ,GPS phone and so on .

now ,in order to celebrate the Christmas Day . the price is very

preferential .pls visit and appreciate it slowly ,then you can buy

the product which you need .

greetings 5–d

Hey,
Are you busy these days?
I know a very good company that may be help you to shop something.
You can check it: okayele.com
Recently this company have promotional activity.
Most of their products have big discount that will help you save a lot
of money.
I think you will have a good time there. w–*

Hey,
Are you busy these days?
I know a very good company that may be help you to shop something.
You can check it: okayele.com
Recently this company have promotional activity.
Most of their products have big discount that will help you save a lot
of money.
I think you will have a good time there. w–*

Hey,
Are you busy these days?
I know a very good company that may be help you to shop something.
You can check it: okayele.com
Recently this company have promotional activity.
Most of their products have big discount that will help you save a lot
of money.
I think you will have a good time there. w–*

Hey,
Are you busy these days?
I know a very good company that may be help you to shop something.
You can check it: okayele.com
Recently this company have promotional activity.
Most of their products have big discount that will help you save a lot
of money.
I think you will have a good time there. w–*

Hey,
Are you busy these days?
I know a very good company that may be help you to shop something.
You can check it: okayele.com
Recently this company have promotional activity.
Most of their products have big discount that will help you save a lot
of money.
I think you will have a good time there. w–*

Hey,
Are you busy these days?
I know a very good company that may be help you to shop something.
You can check it: okayele.com
Recently this company have promotional activity.
Most of their products have big discount that will help you save a lot
of money.
I think you will have a good time there. w–*