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	<title>Comments on: Boehner: Scrap the Health Care Bill, Start Over With Republicans</title>
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		<title>By: Tuci78</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/55642/boehner-scrap-the-health-care-bill-start-over-with-republicans/comment-page-1#comment-77206</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuci78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;is&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; no &quot;strengthening the bill&quot; to be done. The fundamental premise of Obamacare (and every other form of socialized medicine) is that the officers of civil government are both lawfully empowered or &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;competent&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to command the performance of critical functions in the voluntary sector of the economy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They&#039;re not. Not on either count. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Government is unique among all other agencies operating in civil society in that the officers of government are accorded a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;functional monopoly on the use of retaliatory violent force&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Government is good at only one job. That&#039;s breaking things and killing people.  Everything else that the officers of government do derives &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;directly&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; from their ability to kill people.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s the whole reality of government.  &quot;Do what I say or I&#039;ll kill you.&quot; There&#039;s nothing else to it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is the feature of government that makes it so seductive to you &quot;Liberal&quot; butt-munchers. You people positively cum in your pants thinking about how &quot;Officer Friendly&quot; can be sent at your behest - with a SWAT team to back him up - to force your neighbors to do your bidding. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re sure as hell no good at &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;persuading&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; them, are you?  Given the ability to say &quot;no,&quot; your neighbors take one good look at your pet insanities, and tell you to fribble off.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And if you continue to pester them, your neighbors kick your &quot;Liberal&quot; ass up around your ears, and there&#039;s an end to your importuning. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &quot;Liberal&quot; (who is anything &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;but&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; a real liberal) has a boatload of rotten ideas, none of which stand up to the test of reality.  The only way a &quot;Liberal&quot; can get what he wants is to deny his victims (that&#039;s everybody who disagrees with &quot;Liberal&quot; stupidity) the ability to say &quot;no.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So we&#039;re talking Obamacare here-and-now - the government taking control of the whole health care sector of the U.S. economy.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And health care is an especially inappropriate place for the officers of civil government (who get &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;all&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; their power, remember, on the basis of &quot;Do what I say or I&#039;ll kill you) to be involved.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, I&#039;m perfectly happy to &quot;stand in front of the constituency and tell them&quot; that they sure as hell have the &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to &quot;just say no.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re not?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course not.  You&#039;re a &quot;Liberal,&quot; you tyrannical sonofabitch.  How &lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;dare&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt; those people out there tell you to leave them to hellangone alone?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So right now, you and your ilk control the civil government.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Guess what happens - to &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;- when your victims take it back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There <b><u>is</u></b> no &#8220;strengthening the bill&#8221; to be done. The fundamental premise of Obamacare (and every other form of socialized medicine) is that the officers of civil government are both lawfully empowered or <b><i>competent</i></b> to command the performance of critical functions in the voluntary sector of the economy.</p>
<p>They&#39;re not. Not on either count. </p>
<p>Government is unique among all other agencies operating in civil society in that the officers of government are accorded a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence" rel="nofollow">functional monopoly on the use of retaliatory violent force</a>.  </p>
<p>Government is good at only one job. That&#39;s breaking things and killing people.  Everything else that the officers of government do derives <b><i>directly</i></b> and <b><i>necessarily</i></b> from their ability to kill people.  </p>
<p>That&#39;s the whole reality of government.  &#8220;Do what I say or I&#39;ll kill you.&#8221; There&#39;s nothing else to it.</p>
<p>This is the feature of government that makes it so seductive to you &#8220;Liberal&#8221; butt-munchers. You people positively cum in your pants thinking about how &#8220;Officer Friendly&#8221; can be sent at your behest &#8211; with a SWAT team to back him up &#8211; to force your neighbors to do your bidding. </p>
<p>You&#39;re sure as hell no good at <b><i>persuading</i></b> them, are you?  Given the ability to say &#8220;no,&#8221; your neighbors take one good look at your pet insanities, and tell you to fribble off.  </p>
<p>And if you continue to pester them, your neighbors kick your &#8220;Liberal&#8221; ass up around your ears, and there&#39;s an end to your importuning. </p>
<p>The &#8220;Liberal&#8221; (who is anything <b><u>but</u></b> a real liberal) has a boatload of rotten ideas, none of which stand up to the test of reality.  The only way a &#8220;Liberal&#8221; can get what he wants is to deny his victims (that&#39;s everybody who disagrees with &#8220;Liberal&#8221; stupidity) the ability to say &#8220;no.&#8221;</p>
<p>So we&#39;re talking Obamacare here-and-now &#8211; the government taking control of the whole health care sector of the U.S. economy.  </p>
<p>And health care is an especially inappropriate place for the officers of civil government (who get <b><u>all</u></b> their power, remember, on the basis of &#8220;Do what I say or I&#39;ll kill you) to be involved.</p>
<p>Now, I&#39;m perfectly happy to &#8220;stand in front of the constituency and tell them&#8221; that they sure as hell have the <b><i>right</i></b> to &#8220;just say no.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#39;re not?</p>
<p>Of course not.  You&#39;re a &#8220;Liberal,&#8221; you tyrannical sonofabitch.  How <u><b>dare</b></u> those people out there tell you to leave them to hellangone alone?</p>
<p>So right now, you and your ilk control the civil government.</p>
<p>Guess what happens &#8211; to <b><i>you</i></b>- when your victims take it back?</p>
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		<title>By: BTWGT</title>
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		<dc:creator>BTWGT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you actually think that you win because not only did you say no but, while acknowledging that the status quo was unacceptable, chose not to participate in strengthening the bill to score political points that the American people will reward you for this? With the upcoming 10 year gerrymandering event coming up, while you may win some toss-up seats back...you&#039;ll come nowhere close to 1994. Old southern democrats are not retiring this time (they&#039;re all republicans for the most part). This is legitimate angst among the electorate but I can guarantee you that this show will only last until it&#039;s time to stand in front of the constituency and tell them a better answer than just say no. In spite of the best efforts from the left or the right, this country will be governed in the center because those demagogues are never around that long....people quickly grow tired of the partisan politics and lack of solutions coming from either party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you actually think that you win because not only did you say no but, while acknowledging that the status quo was unacceptable, chose not to participate in strengthening the bill to score political points that the American people will reward you for this? With the upcoming 10 year gerrymandering event coming up, while you may win some toss-up seats back&#8230;you&#39;ll come nowhere close to 1994. Old southern democrats are not retiring this time (they&#39;re all republicans for the most part). This is legitimate angst among the electorate but I can guarantee you that this show will only last until it&#39;s time to stand in front of the constituency and tell them a better answer than just say no. In spite of the best efforts from the left or the right, this country will be governed in the center because those demagogues are never around that long&#8230;.people quickly grow tired of the partisan politics and lack of solutions coming from either party</p>
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		<title>By: ef2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ef2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, you are so definitely twisted. And completely screwed up regarding the history behind the Nazi Party. By the way, I didn&#039;t say Republicans as far as calling for assassination, I said you. I realize your oversized ego probably sees the two things as one and the same, but as a matter of fact, I&#039;ve quite a few friends and acquaintances who are Republicans, and they would be disgusted by your rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you are so definitely twisted. And completely screwed up regarding the history behind the Nazi Party. By the way, I didn&#39;t say Republicans as far as calling for assassination, I said you. I realize your oversized ego probably sees the two things as one and the same, but as a matter of fact, I&#39;ve quite a few friends and acquaintances who are Republicans, and they would be disgusted by your rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuci78</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/55642/boehner-scrap-the-health-care-bill-start-over-with-republicans/comment-page-1#comment-67034</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuci78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope. You&#039;re too young to remember the way the National Socialists tried to turn the Republicans&#039; &quot;Contract With America&quot; into &quot;the Contract &lt;u&gt;On&lt;/u&gt; America&quot; back in &#039;94?  As if the Republicans were &quot;calling on someone to assassinate&quot; the whole country.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jeez, you National Socialists are such dogwhistles.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, yeah. About the truth-in-advertising correct description of the Blue Party.  Well, they&#039;re not &quot;Democratic&quot; any more (i.e., the party of Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Cleveland, etc.) are they? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But they&#039;re a national party, and they&#039;re certainly a socialist party.  Ergo &quot;National Socialist.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hey, live with it.  Be &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;proud&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; of who and what you are.  Come out of the closet.  &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Flaunt&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; it!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And &lt;i&gt;Gestapo&lt;/i&gt; comes from the German for &quot;Secret State Police.&quot;  Given that you&#039;re the statist in this exchange (I&#039;m not), and I&#039;m trying to force your &quot;poverty pimp&quot; Mombasa Messiah to stop keeping secret his past personal history and all his records, there&#039;s two counts against your fumblenuts attempt to call anything I propose &quot;a gestapo tactic.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for the &quot;Police&quot; bit, well....  Yeah, I would like to see your Marxist Mahdi arrested. I figure federal marshals would probably be the ones to do the job, and I&#039;m hoping to Tivo the CNN broadcast of Barry Soetoro being perp-walked out of the White House with his hands cuffed behind his back, shuffling in ankle fetters, with one hand on either side of that cute little belly chain they&#039;ll apply.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &quot;Change&quot; I certainly &quot;Hope&quot; for.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, the &quot;Weimar Germany&quot; reference, too.  And this from a National Socialist supporting a Fraudulence-in-Chief whose counterfeiting activities demonstrate that he&#039;s skipped right over Weimar Republic style currency debauchment.  Your Mahdi is directly channeling Robert Mugabe (look up &quot;Zimbabwe inflation&quot;), ain&#039;t he?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Beyond that, what else has this idiot written?  Oh, the anti-Obamacare riots at those National Socialist politicians lynchings - er &quot;town hall meetings.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Aw, don&#039;t look to Hitler for that weak stuff, putzie. The anti-Obamacare folks are just taking a leaf from socialist Saul Alinsky&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm&quot;&lt;i&gt;Rules for Radicals&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (much beloved of your &quot;poverty pimp&quot; Chicago thug, Barry).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Particularly Rule 12: &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You don&#039;t like that?  Good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope. You&#39;re too young to remember the way the National Socialists tried to turn the Republicans&#39; &#8220;Contract With America&#8221; into &#8220;the Contract <u>On</u> America&#8221; back in &#39;94?  As if the Republicans were &#8220;calling on someone to assassinate&#8221; the whole country.</p>
<p>Jeez, you National Socialists are such dogwhistles.  </p>
<p>Oh, yeah. About the truth-in-advertising correct description of the Blue Party.  Well, they&#39;re not &#8220;Democratic&#8221; any more (i.e., the party of Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Cleveland, etc.) are they? </p>
<p>But they&#39;re a national party, and they&#39;re certainly a socialist party.  Ergo &#8220;National Socialist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, live with it.  Be <b><i>proud</i></b> of who and what you are.  Come out of the closet.  <b><u>Flaunt</u></b> it!</p>
<p>And <i>Gestapo</i> comes from the German for &#8220;Secret State Police.&#8221;  Given that you&#39;re the statist in this exchange (I&#39;m not), and I&#39;m trying to force your &#8220;poverty pimp&#8221; Mombasa Messiah to stop keeping secret his past personal history and all his records, there&#39;s two counts against your fumblenuts attempt to call anything I propose &#8220;a gestapo tactic.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;Police&#8221; bit, well&#8230;.  Yeah, I would like to see your Marxist Mahdi arrested. I figure federal marshals would probably be the ones to do the job, and I&#39;m hoping to Tivo the CNN broadcast of Barry Soetoro being perp-walked out of the White House with his hands cuffed behind his back, shuffling in ankle fetters, with one hand on either side of that cute little belly chain they&#39;ll apply.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;Change&#8221; I certainly &#8220;Hope&#8221; for.</p>
<p>Oh, the &#8220;Weimar Germany&#8221; reference, too.  And this from a National Socialist supporting a Fraudulence-in-Chief whose counterfeiting activities demonstrate that he&#39;s skipped right over Weimar Republic style currency debauchment.  Your Mahdi is directly channeling Robert Mugabe (look up &#8220;Zimbabwe inflation&#8221;), ain&#39;t he?</p>
<p>Beyond that, what else has this idiot written?  Oh, the anti-Obamacare riots at those National Socialist politicians lynchings &#8211; er &#8220;town hall meetings.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aw, don&#39;t look to Hitler for that weak stuff, putzie. The anti-Obamacare folks are just taking a leaf from socialist Saul Alinsky&#39;s &lt;a href=&#8221;http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm&#8221;<i>Rules for Radicals</i> (much beloved of your &#8220;poverty pimp&#8221; Chicago thug, Barry).  </p>
<p>Particularly Rule 12: <b><i>&#8220;Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.&#8221;</i></b></p>
<p>You don&#39;t like that?  Good.</p>
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		<title>By: ef2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ef2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you actually calling on someone to assassinate the President?? Lovely gestapo tactics of yours.</description>
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		<title>By: Tuci78</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuci78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Obamacare tanks (and it &lt;u&gt;will&lt;/u&gt; tank), the Republicans want to be able to say:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;We had no part in this. We fought it as hard as we could&quot; (Not really true.) &quot;You want to blame somebody for this horror?  &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Blame the Democrats!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And that&#039;s what&#039;s really got the National Socialist (usta be &quot;Democrat&quot;) Party slurpers all nervous and sweaty right now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Especially the &quot;blue dog&quot; National Socialists, who are &quot;blue dogs&quot; only because they&#039;ve been elected from districts where the sentiments of the voters are predominantly conservative, and who would turn on their &quot;blue dog&quot; representatives and senators in a flash if those &quot;blue dog&quot; National Socialists support this job-killing, pork-stuffed, economy-raping, quality-of-care-destroying fantasy of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2009/tle532-20090816-02.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Medical Marxism&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Try as they might to paint bad prospects for the Republicans because they&#039;re keeping their names and signatures off Obamacare, the &quot;Liberal&quot; root weevils of the MSM are whistling (out of tune, as usual) in the dark.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Standing back and forcing their &quot;colleagues&quot; across the aisle to take the full blame for this unconstitutional, unworkable, idiotic, tyrannous abomination is &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;precisely&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; the right thing for the Republicans to do. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Comes 2010 and we get a re-run of 1994.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This time, instead of a &quot;Contract With America,&quot; I&#039;m looking for something in line with Barry Soetoro&#039;s career in Chicago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Call it &quot;a Contract on Obama.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Obamacare tanks (and it <u>will</u> tank), the Republicans want to be able to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;We had no part in this. We fought it as hard as we could&#8221; (Not really true.) &#8220;You want to blame somebody for this horror?  <b><i>Blame the Democrats!</i></b>&#8220;</p>
<p>And that&#39;s what&#39;s really got the National Socialist (usta be &#8220;Democrat&#8221;) Party slurpers all nervous and sweaty right now.</p>
<p>Especially the &#8220;blue dog&#8221; National Socialists, who are &#8220;blue dogs&#8221; only because they&#39;ve been elected from districts where the sentiments of the voters are predominantly conservative, and who would turn on their &#8220;blue dog&#8221; representatives and senators in a flash if those &#8220;blue dog&#8221; National Socialists support this job-killing, pork-stuffed, economy-raping, quality-of-care-destroying fantasy of <a href="http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2009/tle532-20090816-02.html" rel="nofollow">Medical Marxism</a>.</p>
<p>Try as they might to paint bad prospects for the Republicans because they&#39;re keeping their names and signatures off Obamacare, the &#8220;Liberal&#8221; root weevils of the MSM are whistling (out of tune, as usual) in the dark.  </p>
<p>Standing back and forcing their &#8220;colleagues&#8221; across the aisle to take the full blame for this unconstitutional, unworkable, idiotic, tyrannous abomination is <b><i>precisely</i></b> the right thing for the Republicans to do. </p>
<p>Comes 2010 and we get a re-run of 1994.</p>
<p>This time, instead of a &#8220;Contract With America,&#8221; I&#39;m looking for something in line with Barry Soetoro&#39;s career in Chicago.</p>
<p>Call it &#8220;a Contract on Obama.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: michaelscullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaelscullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment: revoke Senator John Boehner&#039;s health insurance because he has a pre-existing (mental, brain) condition.  The only diagnosis can be that only the Republican side of his brain seems to be functioning.  How did Ohio ever elect that creep?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment: revoke Senator John Boehner&#39;s health insurance because he has a pre-existing (mental, brain) condition.  The only diagnosis can be that only the Republican side of his brain seems to be functioning.  How did Ohio ever elect that creep?</p>
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		<title>By: daveccc</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohh I hope they do!</description>
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		<dc:creator>News Central &#187; &#8220;White House may ditch Republicans after all on health care reform&#8221; and related posts</dc:creator>
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