WorldNetDaily Blows the Obama Birth Conspiracy Wide Open

Wow… just wow.

Oddly enough, being born in a state or territory makes you an American citizen, just ask Charles Curtis, Vice-President in the Hoover administration, born in Kansas a year before it gained statehood or Barry Goldwater, born in the Arizona territory, was still eligible to be President.

They are really running on empty. No more Granny Obama interview in the wings?

so, that makes stanley ann 14 years old when she had baraq– right?

Court: “Counsel for the plaintiff may commence with his case challenging the legitimacy of the Certification of Live Birth issued by the State of Hawaii to the defendant.”

Plaintiff's counsel: “Thank you, your honor. I would like to begin by placing into evidence Exhibit A, an entry on the defendant's MySpace page.”

[Audible laughter.]

Court: “Counsel, are you serious.”

Plaintiff's counsel: “Yes sir, your honor.”

Court: “On what grounds do you expect to introduce this hearsay evidence?”

Plaintiff's counsel: “As an admission against interest, your honor. Because Obama wouldn't have said something which make him ineligible to be president unless it were true. And he must have written it himself while sitting in his underpants at the computer, checking out all his new online friends.”

Court: “But such an exception to the hearsay rule is only available if the party making the statement is unavilable.”

Plaintiff's counsel: “Aw come on your honor. Please? This is just so embarrassing for him that we have to admit it.”

well, since we dont know how old our prez is because nobody has seen his long form BC.. oh, and is other one was a proven forgery.. that means we suposed to trust a comander and chief we dont even know–right?.. his name might not even be baraq–lmao– dems are just ball face liers.. and thieves.. and STUPID

I'm actually torn as to whether this 'scoop' is sillier than WND's “exclusive” from last week:

Obama Press Secretary Says “Uh” and “Uhm” In Talking About Birthers

Spell check is not your friend is it their dude.

Since you mention the term “ball face liers” – are readers to take it that balls are often found lying on your face? Or perhaps when there are balls on your face you say “I dont knowz how theys got therez”.

Oh dear.

No, the use of the term “ball face liers” would imply that the “liers” have the balls on their faces, and are therefore either doing their lying while someone with balls is squatting atop each of them or they're lying while someone with balls is irrumating each such “lier” in the aversa or “69″ position.

Inasmuch as it seems as if even such a skilled and experienced sucker of schwanz as the typical Obamaphile would have some difficulty in lying intelligibly while having someone's male appendage thrust hilt-deep within said Obamaphile's lying mouth, I suspect that what is meant would be the Obamaphiles lying while being squatted upon by persons each with a pendulous, testicle-filled scrotum “teabag-ing” these Obamaphiles' faces.

Gives a rather lurid but accurate picture of the Obamaphiles, each supine beneath a large, hairy man who squats down upon his haunches with an Obamaphile's nose poking into the man's anus while his balls cover either the Obamaphile's eyes or the Obamaphile's mouth and chin.

But of Obamaphiles, would this not be wholly expected?

So Barry's daddy liked jailbait?

I'd delivered patients as young as 14 (who had been impregnated at age 13) during training in a high-risk OB service, so I'm both academically as well as empirically familiar not only with the fact that “if they're gonna, they're gonna” but also that the machinery – while perhaps not optimally functional at that age – is certainly functional enough. Given a good gynecoid pelvis and an occiput-anterior presentation (either left or right), there's not even much reason to go to c-section without a good trial of labor.

Might explain why Stanley Ann Dunham was able to haul herself to the mainland and to college something like – what? – only 15 days after what Barry Soetoro claims was his birthday in Honolulu rather than in his native Mombasa.

Yeah, sure. A primipara delivery, and the young lady is off on an airliner away from her family, no husband accompanying, babe in arms, the sutures of her episiotomy not yet healed, her gravid uterus not yet fully involuted, possibly anemic, her menstrual cycle far from restored.

Today, perhaps. In 1961? Bloody unlikely.

Let us remember Barry Soeoto's reference during the run-up to our “Lose-Lose” election last November, and his cement-headed reference to the “57 states” of our national union.

(( Though perhaps that was merely an inadvertent betrayal of his plans for the annexation of 7 more states, doubtless including both Kenya and Tanzania to ensure that his birthplace in Mombasa will eventually wind up in these United States, and his National Socialist [usta be "Democrat"] colleagues in the Congress can pass a special act making him retroactively a “natural born citizen.” ))

Remember also that Barry is a lawyer.

Perhaps he's thinking of his age in billable hours.

Reminds me of the old rap song “Nutz on Ya Chin”.

I guess you thought this was quite humorous.

Gross and stupid, but not funny.

“Spell check is not your friend is it their dude.” Wipe your fingers before you start pointing at other people's spots. That should be, “Spell check is not your friend is it there dude.” Balls? What would you know about balls?

Professional liar in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0hmqm3mZXA&feat…

Professional liar in action.

We're already aware of your credentials, Randroid.

Dumber than a box of rocks.

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Not to get all technical, but admission against interest and admission by a party opponent are separate things. Admission by a party opponent is under FRE 801(d)(2), an exclusion to hearsay. Admission against interest is a FRE 804 exception for unavailable witnesses, who need not be a party.

You seem to spent a great deal of time thinking about how all this works.

Is there something you need to tell us?

Stuck on Stupid.

the expression is “bold faced liers”

I wonder what John McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone, thinks of this.

Bald faced, actually.

…and it's “liars”, not “liers”. Language is a gift, folks, let's not abuse it.

That being said, the lack of credible intelligentsia on the conservative right these days is profoundly disturbing. Every argument seems to boil down to the linguistic equivalent of, “You suck.” However true that may be of liberals in general, where is the argument? What is the alternative that you are espousing? I dream of a day when conservatives can actually provide well-thought out strategies and solutions to the problems we are facing as a nation. Simply repeating, “You suck” is not helping very much.

The level of stupid (birthers, deathers, 9/11 truthers, flat earth ect etc) in this country never ceases to amaze.

Ah you caught me out – I actually used the incorrect spelling of there.

The shame, the shame.

As for the balls reference – hey I am not the one who referenced balls. Based on your little pic there apparently yours are made of stone.

it is amazing, i agree. they just keep going and going… hilarious, but amazing nonetheless.

I like stupid people. They are funny!

u r idiot.

Here again are images of what Hawaiian “Long Form” Certificates of Live Birth look like.
Here is one side by side with Obama’s “CertiFICATION”. Read the names of each of the documents at the top and centered. One says certificate and the other says certification.

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/upl…

A blank one.

http://www.cfourstrategies.com/colb.jpg

Some guy named Alan 1963

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

One of the Nordyke twins from 1961 (a day after Obama)

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/upl…

An anonymous one from 1978. Yep still using the long form in 1978!

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiinBirt…

Only doctor signed birth certificate yet to surface for Obama but this could be a forgery.

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/i…

Oh, yes, and then there is this “Certification” from 2007 which has not been seen or handled outside of any of the Obama friendly sources that have posted different versions using scans and digital photos posted on line. This is all Obama has ever offered as proof that he was born on US soil. Notice there is no mention of a hospital or the name of any attending physician. Hawaii has now admitted that an original long form exists or have lied and said there is one when there isn’t. Since it has never been posted or released by Obama, there is no way to know what it might say. But here is what Obama’s people offer. Again, Obama’s alleged “CertificATION”of Live Birth (probably a forgery)

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

And just so you can all know. Here is an image of what John McCain produced when asked to prove he was eligible to run for POTUS. A copy of his long form. From a U.S. military hospital in the U.S. controlled Panama Canal Zone where he was born of two (2) U.S. citizens. You can actually see all that information right there on the LONG FORM.

http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_…

Who's we? And what hospital did you guys claim Obama was born in?

Do you know the difference between a CertifiCATE of Live Birth and a CertifiCATION of Live Birth. Before you just start calling people stupid. Go up to my post and click on the links provided so that you can educate yourself on the subject.

Here again are images of what Hawaiian “Long Form” Certificates of Live Birth look like.
Here is one side by side with Obama’s “CertiFICATION”. Read the names of each of the documents at the top and centered. One says certificate and the other says certification.

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/upl…

A blank one.

http://www.cfourstrategies.com/colb.jpg

Some guy named Alan 1963

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

One of the Nordyke twins from 1961 (a day after Obama)

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/upl…

An anonymous one from 1978. Yep still using the long form in 1978!

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiinBirt…

Only doctor signed birth certificate yet to surface for Obama but this could be a forgery.

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/i…

Oh, yes, and then there is this “Certification” from 2007 which has not been seen or handled outside of any of the Obama friendly sources that have posted different versions using scans and digital photos posted on line. This is all Obama has ever offered as proof that he was born on US soil. Notice there is no mention of a hospital or the name of any attending physician. Hawaii has now admitted that an original long form exists or have lied and said there is one when there isn’t. Since it has never been posted or released by Obama, there is no way to know what it might say. But here is what Obama’s people offer. Again, Obama’s alleged “CertificATION”of Live Birth (probably a forgery)

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

And just so you can all know. Here is an image of what John McCain produced when asked to prove he was eligible to run for POTUS. A copy of his long form. From a U.S. military hospital in the U.S. controlled Panama Canal Zone where he was born of two (2) U.S. citizens. You can actually see all that information right there on the LONG FORM.

http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_…

Who r a idiot?

Narcissist.

Do you understand the problem?

That should either be the “level of stupidity among birthers……” or “the number of stupid birthers…”

Instead of TRYING to make “birthers” look “stupid” and your self smart, why don't you go up and take a look at what I posted above showing links to the images of what real, complete, original Hawaiian birth certificates actually look like and give me an intelligent answer as to why your “president” can't produce one. And then tell me what person in any position of public authority has actually seen the computer brief type of COLB that FactCheck shows images of. If you say the name of one of the Hawaiian Vital Statistics people, then tell me when they confirmed sending that one to the Obama campaign. They refuse to confirm that. They also refuse to name a hospital where the birth took place or the name of the doctor attending the birth. No hospital has come forward claiming he was born there. Facts. Facts. Facts. Your ignorance of the facts never ceases to amaze me. “Flat earth”? What about Big Foot and Roswell alien bodies? Please.

Here again are images of what Hawaiian “Long Form” Certificates of Live Birth look like.
Here is one side by side with Obama’s “CertiFICATION”. Read the names of each of the documents at the top and centered. One says certificate and the other says certification.

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/upl…

A blank one.

http://www.cfourstrategies.com/colb.jpg

Some guy named Alan 1963

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

One of the Nordyke twins from 1961 (a day after Obama)

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/upl…

An anonymous one from 1978. Yep still using the long form in 1978!

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiinBirt…

Only doctor signed birth certificate yet to surface for Obama but this could be a forgery.

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/i…

Oh, yes, and then there is this “Certification” from 2007 which has not been seen or handled outside of any of the Obama friendly sources that have posted different versions using scans and digital photos posted on line. This is all Obama has ever offered as proof that he was born on US soil. Notice there is no mention of a hospital or the name of any attending physician. Hawaii has now admitted that an original long form exists or have lied and said there is one when there isn’t. Since it has never been posted or released by Obama, there is no way to know what it might say. But here is what Obama’s people offer. Again, Obama’s alleged “CertificATION”of Live Birth (probably a forgery)

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

And just so you can all know. Here is an image of what John McCain produced when asked to prove he was eligible to run for POTUS. A copy of his long form. From a U.S. military hospital in the U.S. controlled Panama Canal Zone where he was born of two (2) U.S. citizens. You can actually see all that information right there on the LONG FORM.

http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_…

Scrub the truth right off of the thread!! You won't let me post a link to an image of what a real Hawaiian long form looks like. Therefore, they must not exist. Is that how it works now. You took it off three times in 10 minutes. Liberals just love free speech.

Here again are images of what Hawaiian “Long Form” Certificates of Live Birth look like.
Here is one side by side with Obama’s “CertiFICATION”. Read the names of each of the documents at the top and centered. One says certificate and the other says certification.

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/upl…

A blank one.

http://www.cfourstrategies.com/colb.jpg

Some guy named Alan 1963

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

One of the Nordyke twins from 1961 (a day after Obama)

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/upl…

An anonymous one from 1978. Yep still using the long form in 1978!

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiinBirt…

Only doctor signed birth certificate yet to surface for Obama but this could be a forgery.

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/i…

Oh, yes, and then there is this “Certification” from 2007 which has not been seen or handled outside of any of the Obama friendly sources that have posted different versions using scans and digital photos posted on line. This is all Obama has ever offered as proof that he was born on US soil. Notice there is no mention of a hospital or the name of any attending physician. Hawaii has now admitted that an original long form exists or have lied and said there is one when there isn’t. Since it has never been posted or released by Obama, there is no way to know what it might say. But here is what Obama’s people offer. Again, Obama’s alleged “CertificATION”of Live Birth (probably a forgery)

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

And just so you can all know. Here is an image of what John McCain produced when asked to prove he was eligible to run for POTUS. A copy of his long form. From a U.S. military hospital in the U.S. controlled Panama Canal Zone where he was born of two (2) U.S. citizens. You can actually see all that information right there on the LONG FORM.

http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_…

Here is one!

http://www.cfourstrategies.com/colb.jpg

Here is Alan's.

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

One of the Nordyke twins.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/upl…

Oh, yes, and then there is this “Certification” from 2007 which has not been seen or handled outside of any of the Obama friendly sources that have posted different versions using scans and digital photos posted on line. This is all Obama has ever offered as proof that he was born on US soil. Notice there is no mention of a hospital or the name of any attending physician. Hawaii has now admitted that an original long form exists or have lied and said there is one when there isn’t. Since it has never been posted or released by Obama, there is no way to know what it might say. But here is what Obama’s people offer. Again, Obama’s alleged “CertificATION”of Live Birth (probably a forgery)

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

“Is there something you need to tell us?”

Not now. His mouth is full.

You have got to be kidding, right?

Oh my, oh my. I am laughing my butt off at you people. You are absolutely pathetic.

Hey man, that tinfoil hat looks pretty natty on you. Please keep wearing it – the rest of the world is enjoying the sight.

Content? Nope. Intelligence? Nah! Obamaphile? You betcha!

Hm? The American language is a rich and flexible scheme of expression, capable of conveying abstract concepts evoking all sorts of images. I rather like that about it.

And then there's you, putzie, who can't use that language for anything but null noises. Tsk.

You enter text on the computer with your mouth?

Eww!

Aw. Your Obamaphile colleague had written (in an attempt at humor): “…are readers to take it that balls are often found lying on your face?”

Hey, all I did was to take his jape a bit further, and turn it back upon you witless partisans of the Mombasa Messiah.

You don't like that? Jeez, that's very good. Thanks.

Well, obviously he thinks this. Link to the long form copy of his original birth certificate that he produced when questioned last year during the Senate investigation of his eligibility to run for POTUS. No such investigation was carried out concerning Obama.

http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_Certificate_1_1936x2.jpg

Them White boys apparently still have to produce those pesky birth certificates to prove who they really are.

You know Tuci. Sounds like a case of statutory rape to me.

There is no legal difference between the two. Nada. Both are considered equivalent identification by the federal government and all 50 states.

We aren't talking about “legal differences”. Get “legal difference” out of your head. Keep your eye on the ball here. The difference is an informational one. Again, go look at the different forms in the links I posted and see how much more information is in the long form. That is what is needed to determine anything about where this person was born. And we aren't talking about getting a driver's license or a passport or getting your kid into little league. Were talking about the constitutional eligibility of the President of the United States. It ain't freaking rocket science and we ain't looking for Big Foot here. Okay? It is a public record that is supposed to be available to the “public” to answer questions just like this. That is why they keep “public records”. Why do you suppose Obama won't show his? Question for the day. What hospital in Hawaii was Obama allegedly born in? Try to get Gibbs, the White House mouthpiece for Obama to answer that one. He won't do it. He has been asked and repeatedly evades the question. Because Obama was not born in a hospital in Hawaii. That is why he won't release his real birth certifiCATE.

You are an idiot. Stick to the topic and offer something factual if you can. If you can't, (or when you realize that you are incapable of doing so) take you sophomoric little attempts at humor to some other idiotic left-wing thread. Comments about “tinfoil hats” won't make the truth go away. The truth is that Obama lied to get into office. He can't prove he is US born, so he continually stonewalls on the issue.

No, we are not kidding. What are you laughing about? Have you got a single intelligent comment to offer as to why your “president” absolutely refuses to release any information about any aspect of his life? You think that's funny? I think people who think like THAT are PATHETIC.

No hospital in Hawaii will claim to be the birthplace of this “president”. Hawaiian authorities, and the White House press secretary refuse to name whatever hospital Obama is supposed to have been born in. He has at different times claimed two different ones. He is now claiming none in particular. Was he born in a sugar cane field? Yeah, this is really funny. He can't answer the simple question of which hospital he was born in and then stand by it. Neither one of the two he HAS named will affirm anything. Strange. Keep laughing.

When you watch that clip on Youtube, you can see all the “tell” signs of a liar in action. It's classic. He is fumbling around and fidgeting while he stutters and stammers out his next attempt at further lying in support of the last lie he told on the subject. He can't possibly give a truthful answer about which hospital Obama was born in because there was none. Every time he has been asked about the Obama birth issue, he has acted precisely this way. Any experienced law enforcement officer would pick up on it immediately. I wonder if he would take a polygraph test on the subject. Whatever is being deliberately hidden, I'm sure he knows. Maybe a good water-boarding session is needed to get at the truth. I hear it works.

Well, why can't the left take a look at the Obama birth issue without immediately attacking the people asking questions about it with terms like, nut-ball, racist, stupid, crazy, knuckle-dragger, Republican, troll, in-bred, tin-foiler, tea-bagger etc. etc.? After being called all of that and much more on these threads, I find it increasingly difficult to remain civil toward them. I can't understand why the White House doesn't simply disclose, disclose and disclose, if there is nothing to hide. However, if there is a lot to hide, I can easily understand why the continue to stonewall as they have. You see? I was able to say that with out telling insulting you.

..without insulting you. Sorry.

Plaintiff's attorney will just request “supporting documents”. You know. Stuff like the ledger of births for August of 1961 at Hawaii's vital statistics, the original Certification of Live Birth for AKA Barack H. Obama Jr.(if one exists) and records from any hospital that could be named(if there is one). That should negate any need for MySpace pages.

Didn't you hear? They found the remains of Obama's real birth mother. It was a skeleton of a female jackal buried in an ancient cemetery in Tuscany.

The State of Hawaii already said that Obama was born there. Are you accusing The Great State of Hawaii of fraud?

“Randwolf” seems to think that one person (himself) saying the same thing a million times is the equivilent of a million people saying something once each. This is the perfect illustration of the “birther” nonsense.

The truth is that the birth certification HAS been examined by outside sources. The problem is that NO SOURCE that reaches a conclusion that Randwolf disagrees with is considered by Randwolf” to be credible, by that very fact. One might point out the fact that there is NO EVIDENC WHATSOEVER that Obama was born anywhere BUT Hawaii. But the birthers don't really care about evidence. They only care about their particular insanity.

Here's a hint: Obama's paternal step-grandmother NEVER said that she was present when he was born in Kenya. Never said that he was born in Kenya at all. There is NO EVIDENCE that Obama's mother ever travelled to Africa while she was pregnant with Barrack. There is NO EVIDENCE that she and infant Barrack ever entered the US. Nothing. The only evidence that exists at all is that he was born in Hawaii.

Thus, the birthers make stuff up, refuse to credit any evidence that is contrary to the position that they have already staked out for themselevs, and anybody who dares point this out is labeled “biased”, and therefore worthy of being ignored.

Fortunately, this wing-nut position is recognized as the craziness that it is.

A lie by omission is still a lie. I think they said there is a document there in their files in accordance with their standard procedure or something to that effect. They have never given the name of the hospital listed on the records as his actual place of birth. So yes, they are in effect lying if withholding information is lying. They may be ACTUALLY lying that the document even states he was born in Hawaii. So yes. You don't think people in government are capable of lying? We won't know until that document they claim to have is seen.

What sources? Who has seen the computer image COLB? What hospital are they claiming he was born in? They have stated either Queen's or Kapiolani at different times. Obama himself can't seem to get it straight. Nothing is being made up by “birthers”. We are left to guess about a lot of it because nothing is really ever disclosed about the guy. It makes him seem as though he is hiding something. What is his terrible secret? Why can't he show a copy of his ORIGINAL birth certificate? He doesn't have the authority to have it released? It will never go away until that document is produced by Obama and given over to someone in a position of unbiased authority for examination by document experts. Period. Simple. So let's just do it. It isn't that difficult. Maybe just an “inconvenient truth” for Obama when it happens.

It is YOU (and your fellow travellers) who are making the accusation. It seems to me that it is up to YOU to provide at least ONE TINY SHRED OF EVIDENCE of the allegation you are making. But you aren't

You ARE quite vocal in insisting that the other side present evidence (although everytime they DO present evidence, you conclude that it is either insufficient or a forgery).

And you continue to make your allegations despite the fact that there is NO EVIDENCE, zero, not one thing, suggesting that Obama was born anywhere other than the place where his certification of birth says he was born.

In the law, there is this concept called “burden of proof”. YOU are the one making the allegation. Thus, YOU are the one who needs to present a prima facia case. This would start with ONE SINGLE FACT that you can back up suggesting that Obama was born in Kenya. But the only “fact” you have is the continued allegation that his paternal step-grandmother said she was present when he was born in Kenya. The problem, of course, is that SHE NEVER SAID ANY SUCH THING. Which leaves you with NOTHING. Zero. No evidence whatsoever. Only your loud insistence that you are right.

Incidentally, the certification of birth HAS been examined. You can read all about it HERE:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…

Also, you know that the McCain campaign investigated this issue fully and concluded that there was nothing to it. But I suppose wacky conspiracy theorists with nothing to gain know more than the guy who spent TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS trying to beat Obama in the election. McCain concluded that there was nothing to the allegation. And yet the wackos such as you keep on saying the same thing over and over again.

Of course, we all know how “conservatives” deal with inconvenient facts: They (you) ignore them and and insist they are not trustworthy. Thus, nothing will EVER convince you of the truth, as anbody who concludes contrary to your conclusion is by that fact not to be trusted. It makes it awful hard to hold down a conversation with a “birther”.

Moreover, neither Dr. Fukino nor any other official of the government of the state of Hawaii has stated (or, apparently, will ever state) just precisely what it is that they’ve got in their archives to support the assertion that Barry Soetoro had been born in Hawaii.

Remember, Dr. Fukino was not an eyewitness at Barry’s birth. All that to which she can attest is what she’s found in the vault, and that she did not discuss. A registration of live birth from a hospital in Honolulu? Or an attestation filed by a member of Barry’s family, his mother or his grandmother?

A birth registration would have some provenance, and might be relied upon. An attestation?

“We want the kid to be registered as born here in America, don’t we?”

“Yeah.”

“So go down to the government offices and sign the form. That’ll make it just like he was born here.”

“Okay.”

And so it goes.

An attestation in that vault means the qualification issue is not resolved, and further investigation is not only “nice to have” but necessary to have.

Can you say “independent prosecutor,” Randy?

I can.

The one single fact is that we have never seen even a photocopy of whatever exists as the original document in the Hawaiian archives if it exists at all. Simple. Don't worry. It will all come out soon. The greatest piece of evidence that we are right it the FACT that Obama continually refuses to provide an original birth certificate. If it requires a federal judge to force him to produce it, well, fine. It is only a matter of time.

Again, tell me who in a position of “public authority” has ever seen this piece of paper alleged to be Obama's COLB as presented by “FactCheck”. Who the hell is “politifact.com? Private enterprise? Tell me exactly what official in the federal government has seen it. Anyone? The McCain campaign investigated nothing and had no official power anyway. If you want to know the name of the attorney who has been paid this money, just ask and I will provide the link for you. WHAT hospital was he born in? Tell me. I would like to know. Just tell me that. Get Gibbs to make a statement as to where exactly Obama was born. He won't do it. Why?

Precisely what “outside sources”? You mean the Annenberg Foundation employees at FactCheck? According to that Web site's “About Us” page, most of them are journalism school graduates, and none are trained, experienced, qualified forensic documents examiners. Not one of them is a duly authorized officer of a court of law. Not one of them is “impartial” (and any time you hear anyone characterize himself or his group as “impartial” or “nonpartisan,” be advised that you're in the presence of a liar, for it is impossible to be “impartial;” the best one can do is to openly and honestly stipulate one's partialities).

There need not be evidence that Barry Soetoro had been “born anywhere BUT Hawaii” bur rather a pressing need – as in a “constitutional crisis” kind of need – for him to show proof positive that he had been born somewhere in these United States.

Which he has not done. Not one goddam little bit. Those computer graphic images of what Barry and his partisans claim to have been an abstract “short-form” document uttered by the government of the state of Hawaii tells you and me absolutely nothing reliable about what is on that putative legal document, 'cause they're only computer graphic images, and computer graphic images are relatively easy to alter or even to fabricate completely.

Where's the COLB? Nobody but Barry and those devoted to him have ever (if you believe FactCheck et al) so much as had the chance to touch it. No judge, no expert witness in evidentiary materials, nobody outside of Barry's circle of devotees.

Stinks to high heaven, doesn't it?

Dismissive language does you (and your desires) no real good. This qualification issue (you'd like to call it “birther,” wouldn't you?) cannot go away.

Either Barry coughs up the birth certificate (and unseals all the rest of his personal past history) or the question does not go away.

Frankly, those of us on the “We hate your Mombasa Messiah” side of the political divide – an ever increasing number, or haven't you noticed? – want him stamped “Null and Void,” and we want it done soonest. He's done too damned much damage already, and he plans more.

Like any other cancer, he's got to be cut out. If what I've got in my hand is the blunt blade of the qualification question, I'll use it, and use it with persistence and good application. But cutting him out and cutting him off is the intention, for the sake of the Constitution and the preservation of Americans' lives, liberty, and property.

And for that, much appreciated. This whole topic is at this point a Fool’s Errand, however, and a classic fallacious argument. Absence of something is not proof of its absence. Sufficient proof as to its existence has been provided, but simply not directly to whoever the “Birthers” (not my name, but the one that has been applied in general, so my apologies for its usage) feel is to get it at this point. McCain and Hillary Clinton, with resources at their disposal and skin in the game, both looked into it and dropped it as a non-issue. Why it’s being kept alive as a topic at this point, between what has been provided as well as the direct official testimony, is beyond me to understand. What is to be gained at this point? And I’m sure that my musings here will be resoundly put down by all kinds of folks with theories as to what is “really” going on, and to that I say it’s sad the energy being wasted that could be productively applied. At this point, this is classic conspiracy theory, as nothing can be said without it being taken as further proof of the conspiracy, and it just makes no logical sense. But I digress. I appreciate the discussion, and I too did not use insults.

Well, not that many years ago, I recall there was a great big brewhaha over whether or not there were really any “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq that would justify our invasion. The liberal, left-wing, mostly Democrat, outcry was deafening. The media went bonkers over the issue. Turns out, there probably WERE NOT any WMDs there at all. So in this case, “the absence of something” was indeed “proof of its absence”. The reason this issue is kept alive is that Barry has never shown even a bad photocopy of any kind of original BC. Make no mistake. This won’t go away until the Hawaiians haul one out of the vault or the time comes when they admit that there is NOTHING THERE FOR OBAMA to haul out and never was. In that case, the absence of an original CertificaTION of Live Birth will indeed be proof of its non-existence. That is the nature of such documents. If one can’t be produced, it is assumed that there is nothing to produce. Like a driver’s license and the cops. Too bad. You get the ticket. Then, if you really have one, you must take it to court with you and show it to the judge. If you can’t or won’t do that, you pay the fine and do the time. Fairly simple really.

Your argument is flawed. You claim that “There need not be evidence that Barry Soetoro had been “born anywhere BUT Hawaii”", but you are the one making accusations, so it's up to you to have proof of what you are saying

The bottom line is that the COLB is sufficient to obtain a passport. Do you suppose the government grants passports based on documents that aren't legitimate? The Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed that the birth certificate is valid. The McCain campaign (they who had the MOST reason to determine the truth) investigated the claim and found it wanting.

FInally, as I said before, there is simply NO EVIDENCE that Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii. That does it for me. You might think that he's making poor decisions as President – that is your right to think that way. But he is the lawfully elected President, and that ends the inquiry.

Now: IF you have any EVIDENCE that he was born anywhere but Hawaii, present it. Otherwise, you're nothing but equivilent to those wackos who questioned Bush's legitimatcy for years after his election was confirmed. GET OVER IT! You lost the election. IT's over. Now engage in loyal opposition, or shut the hell up. It's your choice.

The bottom line is that the computer graphic images of “the COLB” are NOT “sufficient to obtain a passport.” The physical document might well be, but the physical document is not what anyone has of that putative Certification.

All that anyone has are computer graphic images supported by nothing other than the contention of the proprietors of FactCheck and DailyKos and FightTheTruth that these computer graphic images accurately reflect the contents of an alleged legal document uttered by the government of the state of Hawaii, and that contention has been called into question.

There is “simply NO EVIDENCE” that Bary Soetoro had been born in Hawaii. That you choose to accept as support for that contention the computer graphic images of a COLB that your Mombasa Messiah has refused to present to an officer of a court of law (despite multiple opportunities for him to do so) despite the points I have made above and herein is a clear manifest of your own duplicity.

You desire that he continue in the office he usurps, and for whatever nefarious reason of your own, you support the lie.

You and your fellow Obamaphiles have the point to prove, and you are the ones who haven't “andy EVIDENCE that he was born” in Hawaii.

All you have are computer graphic images and a bucketful of gall.

Oh man, Roguewind, this is too easy. I almost don’t have the heart to tell you that you are the last person besides drlove999 who is allowed to snark on spelling or grammar.

Your posts are a non-stop comedy ride of misspelled lunacy.

Check out the beam in your eye before you point out the speck in someone else’s, doofus.

I posted this before but Randy just keeps posting the same nonsense over and over. Some of us had a discussion on why President Obama doesn't AGAIN show his BC.

Here are my thoughts on why President Obama doesn't do what he did around November 1, 2008 when he allowed FactCheck.org and some journalists to look, touch, examine and photograph the original birth certificate. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

President Obama is an analytical person. He thought during the campaign that posting the COLB on his web site would end the rumors but instead it only fueled them. He had to learn from that misstep. Plus showing the original BC to factcheck.org and some journalists, did little to put this nonesense to bed.

Today, if the President allowed a group of journalists including Lou Dobbs and birthers the same access as FactCheck and the journalists, then who knows what would happen. For financial reasons or just because they are irrational they could say the BC is as fake as a 3 dollar bill without any data to backup the claim. If you just show the BC to a nonpartisan, nonprofit fact check organization (like FactCheck) then the birthers would say they the organization is a left wing group (like they do with FackCheck). Plus like any President, President Obama wants control over the conversation. He would like to talk about health care and other pressing issues. Who knows where the media would take this and for how long. It would give all the birther “experts” media time and seem to legitimize their argument to some degree.

Another factor could be what Steve X posted on this subject “Never interfere with the enemy when he is destroying himself.”

I think you cannot offer evidence that will convince those who believe the Apollo lunar landings were falsified by the government or those who believe the government committed the 9/11 acts of terrorism against itself. I believe the same is true of the hard core birther.

Maybe the President should make the BC available to Myth Busters as long as they promised not to blow it up at the end of the episode. Probably wouldn't convince any birthers but it would put this issue where it belongs.

Nice work David

Hey, Tuci78, you found your way back here! You've been missing in action for such a long time, we were starting to worry about you. Someone had to let me know that you were skulking about over here. I'd have thought you would be on a NEW birther thread, if not a health care thread.

I thought you got lost in a maze of your own assassination threats, complicated by irrelevant italicization and comically goofed-up HTML about Socialism that no American will encounter unless he or she leaves the country.

Seems like you haven't changed a bit. You're still pretending that you don't have the burden of proving your absurd nonsense.

By the way, did you notice that I'm still posting here, and that NOT ONE of my posts has been taken down by Mr. Aaron Weiner or anyone else? And this, despite all your sniveling, tattling, and whining? No one seems to hit the “report” button just because you plead with them to do so.

Makes you feel like all your effort was for naught, doesn't it? Sort of like your idiotic championing of the birther cause in hopes of chipping away at the Imperial Presidency.

Hasn't gotten you anywhere except self-exile and mocking upon your unexplained return, has it? And what have you learned from this experience? That's right, not a damned thing. I never said you were very bright.

Poor guy. Nothing changed while you were in hiding.

It's not the “qualification issue.” It is and always will be the “birther” issue.

Your side is getting smaller, and your side's voices are getting fainter and fainter as the real world keeps moving away from you and on to more interesting diversions. The birther thing is in the past, like the Beer Summit. You'll have to fuss louder if you expect to be heard over the sound of the chants from the health care town halls and the college football kick-offs.

You still have the burden of proof. No sense pretending you don't. We've been over this.

You still have no proof of any kind. Suspicions and might-have-happeneds don't count.

So come up with proof, rather than suspicion or circular reasoning. Everything else you tell us will be cheerfully ignored or gleefully mocked.

Ah, Roguewind, we've been over this several times. It's sort of cute when you pretend like you can make things up as you go along OVER AND OVER.

The State of Hawai'i employs people to run its department of health. Those officials have looked at the original vital records and confirmed that Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural born U.S. citizen.

So all the yammering you're doing about the COLB and whether it is authentic is, in addition to being absurd, completely irrelevant. Obama's COLB could be written on a cocktail napkin. Doesn't matter. The records custodians have vouched for his birthplace and birthdate, from the original vital records it is their job to maintain, as viewed by their own eyes.

You have nothing to counter that with except whiny protests and clamoring racism. Oh, and your fervent desire to get someone to play Commies & Patriots with you. None of those things will get you anywhere, whether in life, on a date with a monkey who doesn't yet know your reputation, or in life in general.

Find something more constructive to do with your time. Like maybe reading a dictionary. You missed out on a lot of English during your “more than half a century” of study.

“The greatest piece of evidence that we are right it the…”

Oh for fuck's sake, Roguewind. “Is” is a two letter word. Can you not get THAT right? How did you study English for half a century, as you claim, and yet fail to get such simple things?

And your grasp of logic isn't any better. So your best evidence that you are right is that Obama hasn't paid any attention to you? Wow. How well do you understand politics?

If Obama was at ALL worried about you birthers, he would deal with what you are saying. Have you noticed that we heard from Mark Sanford and John Ensign when they were worried about their own scandals? If they had ignored them, the scandals would have consumed them.

But Obama isn't worried about birthers. And there's no scandal here. Just a bunch of functionally illiterate racists who have no political clout outside of the Republican base or the libertarian fringe, either of whom means less in the grand scheme of national politics than a banana peel means to your date.

“It is only a matter of time” before you finally figure out that you have to blow into your blow-up doll to inflate it. You just keep sucking on the tube and wondering when the doll is going to finally give you that happy ending you're seeking. Poor guy. Now that Tuci78 is back, maybe he can give you some pointers about fellatio. He sure passes himself off as an expert on that, judging by his many fellatio-obsessed posts. Better catch him before he goes back into hiding.

Your question contains a false premise. That is why no one answers it. They just mock you for being a birther doofus.

Obama has released more information about himself than you have about yourself. Why not tell us the truth?

Are you African-American as you claimed? White, as you claimed? Half-white, as you claimed?

Is your first wife alive, as you claimed? Is she dead, as you claimed?

Is your second wife alive, as you claimed? Is she dead, as you claimed? Is she white, as you claimed? Is she half-white, as you claimed? Is she a beautiful woman of color, as you claimed? Is her name Shamitra, as you claimed?

Did you really serve in the Marines in the 70's, as you claimed?

Are you really 54, as you claimed here? Or 16, as you claimed at Stormfront?

Are you really as dumb as you pretend to be? Or is it an act, and you're really just trying to drag the birther cause down from the inside?

Obama has never claimed two different hospitals. Just Kapi'olani. Why not post the proof contradicting me? I know you'd love to get ONE thing right, finally, wouldn't you?

I know, I know, you would rather post some irrelevant juvenile racist crap from YouTube. It's because you have no proof of your lies. But I still wanted to ask. Just to tee up the issue for you.

We're still laughing, thanks. But it's at YOU.

Wow. You tried to snark on someone's grammar but you still haven't mastered “you” and “your.”

When you finally declare a cease-fire in your War on Second Person Pronouns, “take you sophomoric little attempts” at posing legitimate questions over to some idiotic right-wing thread. Like Stormfront. I'm sure they miss hearing from you over there.

“The truth is that Obama lied to get into office,” huh?

The truth is that you have no proof of any claim you make, which is incredibly freeing as a concept. You just make up stuff, and hopefully spell the majority of your made-up stuff correctly.

Obama hasn't stonewalled on the issue. He did more to prove his birthplace to the general public than the forty-three previous Presidents have done, combined.

Get over it. Or keep getting mocked. It's all one to us.

Poor guy. Are you still paranoid and delusional? Still think people are scrubbing your posts? My sense is you need Some guy named Alan to help you figure out how to work your computer.

Don't ask Tuci78. He'll just mangle your posts until every third word is italicized and the whole post is accidentally a link to some 17th century European discredited philosopher.

Kapi'olani. Like the media says. Like Obama says. Pretty simple.

Anything else?

Oh goody! Is this the part where you're gonna pretend to be an “experienced law enforcement officer?”

I hope it's more entertaining than when you pretended to be a Marine.

Water-boarding doesn't work. We read the CIA reports on this very website. You're a doofus. But then I've proven that repeatedly.

Oh, REALLY? Got a link to that statement from Kapiolani smartass? I'd love to see that. The won't confirm that he was born there and you can't possibly document that they have. Do it!

You haven't proven shit, fuckweed.

“Obama hasn't stonewalled on the issue. He did more to prove his birthplace to the general public than the forty-three previous Presidents have done,” WHAT BULLSHIT!!

Alright, if stonewalling isn't the act of withholding information, what is it? Oh and please, MR. GRAMMAR, learn not to capitalize “President” unless you attach a name after it, or use it as part of a title designation like “President of the United States”. “Like Stormfront.” is not a sentence. Doofus is not a word. It, like most of the rest of the crap you type up and post here is just another example of the kind of thing you simply pull out of your ass. You guys are done. Why don't you just go ahead and move to the African paradise of Kenya. That is where your lord and master should be presiding. Not here.

Do you have a day job? How much does ACORN pay you to smear your pointless shit all over these threads every night?

Are you writing a book? Are you a mulatto, a quadroon, an octaroon, a “high yellow” or even less Negroidal than that? Maybe you are just a Wigger with a “White guilt”. Have you ever been married to any of your boyfriends? Were they “faggots of color”? If so, what was their racial make-up? Have you ever worn any military uniform other than you G.I. Joe outfit that mommy bought for you last Halloween? How old are you? At what middle school are you pursuing your law degree? Is your gay lover's name Secretia? Where is he/she/it getting the sex change operation? Where are you getting yours?

Oh and while you are all sitting there laughing, eating your rum-soaked bananas and groping each other's tails, one more question. Just where is the link to a site quoting a Hawaiian official or any member of the Obama administration or campaign that is currently claiming that he was born at “Kapi'olani” (Kapiolani in English).? Can you show me that? I'll bet not.

Well, Jim, you know if that is true about “FactCheck” being the final authority confirming that Obama's “COLB” there is entirely genuine and correct, you will have to agree that Mein Kamph it the final authority and confirmation that Adolph Hitler was entirely correct in everything he ever said and did. Right? No bias there!

If Obama made his BC available to Myth Busters, that would be the closest thing to disclosure yet to date. Maybe he should. Or maybe, he could make it available to the Federal Election Commission. Yeah, that's the ticket! Or he could just authorize Hawaii to release scans of the original (if there is one) to the media and internet news sights along with a scan of the ledger of births at Hawaii's Vital Statistics office showing his name and number of his original certificate listed there with the names and numbers of other people born on or about August 4, 1961. You know. Just so all can see that he actually fits into the right sequential slot. Yeah. That number thing is gonna be a bitch.

Oh yeah. So what about all your posts revolving around homosexual activity? You spend a lot of time typing about things going up assholes and the rest of the time, you are pulling things out of your asshole. WTF?

Get back to your inflatable lover-boy and your cartoons.

And what was the name of that Kenyan witch doctor that presided over the out-squirting of your Mombasa Messiah?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, what-the-fuck-ever. Got a link to the exact statements of all the facts concerning BHO's birth as “seen and reported” by the Hawaiian officials? What fucking hospital was it they mentioned? And who was the now-famous (I'm sure!) doctor attending his delivery? And surely, there must be a nice monument or marker at the hospital to commemorate His birth by now! Got a link to that? This has to have been THE MOST secretive presidential birth place in U.S. history thus far. Why?

“We aren’t talking about ‘legal differences’. Get ‘legal difference’ out of your head.”

Well, we aren’t talking about anything, idiot. These, again, are written words.

“Were talking about” why you don’t know how to use an apostrophe.

And you still can’t figure out how to put a period inside of quotation marks.

No wonder you haven’t figured out that we very much are discussing legal differences. Otherwise you have no hope of finding any way to get Obama removed from office. If he is legally entitled to occupy the office, your whining and ranting has no effect.

I’m not surprised this is lost on you. You’re an idiot.

After all, you think a birth certificate is a “public record.” Didn’t you read Dr. Fukino’s first statement on this issue?

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/07/28/gop-head-of-hawaii-department-of-health-birth-certificate-exists-obama-a-natural-born-citizen/

It’s not a public record. It’s private. Illegal to release to the public.

I admit, this is more complex than the distinction between “it” and “is,” which keeps confusing you. But “it ain’t freaking rocket science,” either.

If you do find Big Foot, let us know. Especially me. I’d like to sue him for infringing on Bigfoot’s name.

“The won’t confirm that” your War on Second Person Pronouns has now expanded to third person pronouns, but that’s what seems to be happening. What will “the” think of next?

I didn’t mention anything about any statement from “Kapiolani.”

And what’s “Kapiolani?” Is it anything like Kapi’olani, which is what I referred to?

Here is a link to an article at snopes.com that states he was born at Kapi’olani. Well, actually, it quotes an article that says that. The article is about Barbara Nelson, who remembers him being born there because she had a conversation with the doctor who delivered him, about a week after he was born.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Like I indicated.

Anything else?

Oh, that’s not true. I’ve proven that you lie.

You even lie about whether my insults could ever have the slightest effect on you.

Getting pretty upset there, aren’t you, kiddo? Careful. You’re a ways away from a public restroom and you don’t want to repeat the incident where you soiled yourself at the zoo because you thought that gorilla recognized from that time you got a little carried away at the petting zoo.

“brewhaha?” Oh my God.

You lied. You didn’t study English for 50 years, Brokewind. I might believe that you studied the inside of a bottle of brew for that long, as you were getting drunk on your back porch.

I'm initially going to respond using your own words:

[Post 3:]

“Oh good. That is a very intelligent response. What meds do you take with you Kool Aid bitch? I'll just play by your rules whenever you post. Here we go. Ready? You are stupid, kooky, deranged, delusional and otherwise mentally and emotionally f@cked up and therefore we don't have to listen to you. Like SHUT UP and stuff. There. Happy?” –Randwulf/Roguewind/Brokewind

But your request is too simple for me to pass it up. The exact statements of “all” the facts concerning the President's birth “as 'seen and reported' by the Hawaiian [sic] officials,” huh?

First of all, your half a century spent studying English should have been spent studying how to tie your shoes so you wouldn't be sporting those fly velcro kicks now. You don't know how to use an apostrophe. It's “Hawai'ian,” not “Hawaiian.”

But I will give you the link you asked for, and I'll provide it from a more amusing source than the boring ol' “Hawaiian” newspaper that the comments were originally reported in:

“Dr. Chiyome Fukino, head of the Hawaii Department of Health, is a financial donor to the Republican Party. So what — if you are a 'birther' conspiracy theorist insisting that Barack Obama is the Kenyan-born love child of Malcolm X — explains Dr. Fukino’s official statement yesterday?

'I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.'

That original October 2008 statement, in case you’re curious, reads:

'There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.'

What, indeed, could explain Chiyome Fukino’s statements, given that the Doctor is a contributor to the Republican Party?

Could it be that she has actually verified the existence of Barack Obama’s valid Hawaii birth certificate, establishing him as a natural born citizen of the United States of America?

No, that couldn’t be it. It’s too simple, too obvious. She must be the victim of a clandestine blackmail campaign run by Ted Kennedy from his 'hospital bed.' It’s either that, or the deployment of a mind ray.”

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/20…

When you go to the article at that link, you'll find the .pdf of Dr. Fukino's statements, as well as the link to proof that Dr. Fukino donated to the GOP.

Now then, I know you asked for “all” the facts. I provided the ones that are dispositive. Unless you have proof that Obama was not born in Hawai'i, we're done. The specific hospital, and the specific doctor, involved are probably of interest to the scholar of history.

But you're not a scholar of anything. You spent 50+ years studying English and still can't use an apostrophe or master the difference between “it” and “is,” after all.

Poor guy. You're really struggling. But at least I helped you out a bit by providing the information you're too slow-witted to find.

I don't post about homosexual activity.

When I write to you about your love of pounding primates, that is not homosexuality, even if the primates involved are male. It's bestiality.

I know that you don't see the primates as any different from you. And, for the most part, we agree with you. You're not real bright, and your hygiene leaves much to be desired. But we grudgingly admit that you are human. Just not really “one of us.”

And when I write to Tuci78 to tell him how disgusting his homosexual prison sex fantasies are, that is not a reflection on me.

I don't pull anything out of my asshole. I just point it out when you or other birthers do that to yourselves, when you make up nonsense (and typically fail to spell your nonsense correctly).

I don't have any lover-boys, inflatable or otherwise. I like women. You should try one sometime, if you can manage to get past your squeamishness about human genitalia.

I don't really have any interest in cartoons. Looney Tunes used to be an acceptable source. After Pinky & the Brain, it all went downhill. Now the cartoons are all unwatchable crap. So that's why I like sitcoms, animated or otherwise. I don't doubt that YOU like cartoons, though. Especially the ones where the good guys blast the bad guys. Not as good as Patriots & Commies, though, is it, Brokewind?

There you go again with the false premise. Obama has no connection to any Kenyan witch doctor. You might be thinking of the witch hunter who prayed for and laid hands on Sarah Palin. I never thought you were real swift. It's just like you to get Sarah Palin's personal protector confused with the old white Hawai'ian guy, Dr. West, who delivered Obama into the bright Hawai'ian sun back in August 1961.

“Are you writing a book?”

Well, to be honest, I sorta fizzled out after I worked up the title. Don't you remember? “Spreading Birther Lies and Primate Thighs: The Petticoat Papers of Randypuppy.”

I was really hoping you could write to me at randwulfisamonkey@gmail.com and give me some material for inspiration, but thus far, no dice. You're too cowardly, as I thought.

“Are you a mulatto, a quadroon, an octaroon, a 'high yellow' or even less Negroidal than that? Maybe you are just a Wigger with a 'White guilt'.”

Sigh. Not only do you not know that a period goes inside the quotation marks, you still don't know what ethnicity I am. I'm not surprised. You think I'm David Weigel, after all.

“…other than you G.I. Joe outfit…”

Seriously, Brokewind, I'm really earnestly asking you to call off “you” War on Second Person Pronouns. You're losing.

Until you do that, I'm not going to humor you with responses. Unless I change my mind and start mocking you again, which I'm highly likely to do. You're just so much fun to mock. And you did tell us that none of my insults could ever have the slightest effect on you, so I can really let the barbs fly.

“Well, Jim, you know if that is true about 'FactCheck' being the final authority confirming that Obama's 'COLB' there is entirely genuine and correct,”

Jim never indicated that FactCheck is the final authority. Dr. Fukino is. Don't tell me you didn't read the statements Dr. Fukino has issued confirming that Obama's original vital records indicate he was born in Hawai'i and is a natural born U.S. citizen! I would hate to think that we've gone to all this trouble to provide you links and you haven't read them.

“..you will have to agree that Mein Kamph it the final authority…”

No, we will have to agree that you will never, for the life of you, be able to get “it” separated from “is” and figure out which one goes where. This is at least the sixth time you've gotten this wrong. And you have a fifty-fifty chance each time! My God. You really wasted too many of those 50-plus years you claim you've been studying English, Brokewind.

Before I let you get back to wishing that you could prove that Obama isn't President, I must ask you what “internet news sights” are. I've never seen any. And I do enjoy sight-seeing. Be a pal and point us to some “internet news sights.” It would be a sight to see. It beats waiting for you to cite us to an actual article proving your point, even on a right-wing fringe website.

Brokewind, I don't know why you think ACORN has enough money to pay me anything. They're a nonprofit, public interest group that helps people get involved in politics.

And if you think I'm posting at night, what relevance does that have to whether I have a day job? I would think the question would be “when do you sleep?”

But then I must remember that you don't do a hell of a lot of thinking.

You are, Brokewind.

Can't you read?

No one ever indicated that stonewalling isn't the act of withholding information. It is.

But Obama isn't withholding information. He posted his birth certificate online for the world to see. It's the previous 43 Presidents who, by your logic, are TO THIS DAY stonewalling you about their eligibility.

You don't know what to capitalize or when. Don't worry about that until you master “is” and “it.” And try to learn the comma rules. There are only five of them. And questions (sentences that begin with “Why”) end in question marks, not periods. How did you fail to get this basic stuff when you spent more than half a century studying English?

“WHAT BULLSHIT!!” Doesn't seem fair to tell you that you don't need two exclamation points, or CAPSLOCK. But what does seem fair is to show you your own words again:

[Post 3:]

“Oh good. That is a very intelligent response. What meds do you take with you Kool Aid bitch? I'll just play by your rules whenever you post. Here we go. Ready? You are stupid, kooky, deranged, delusional and otherwise mentally and emotionally f@cked up and therefore we don't have to listen to you. Like SHUT UP and stuff. There. Happy?” –Randwulf/Roguewind/Brokewind

[Post 6:]

“Either present something of an argument in lieu of your insults and name calling or shut the f@ck up! Ok?” —-Randwulf/Roguewind/Brokewind

You know, I am at least pleased that you finally grew enough of a sac to be able to write “fuck” instead of sticking that silly @ symbol in there. It just made you look even more limp-wristed than you otherwise do, and that's an accomplishment in itself.

Keep pluggin' away, kiddo. Soon you'll have something to post at other sites. “Like Stormfront.” By the way, that IS a sentence. It commands you to enjoy Stormfront. But I am not using it in that sense. I'm making a comparison. And I'm not worried about my intentional sentence fragment. You should be worried about your unintentional idiocy. It's getting you clobbered here.

Big word, coming from the guy who changed his avatar from a monkey to a stoic looking statue.

Yes, the problem is that you birthers are idiots. This is not a problem for us. It is a problem for you birthers.

Do you understand? No? That's okay. Get back to writing to us about the doings of Some guy named Alan.

Randy – I didn't want to post on you so you could concentrate on Stephen. Looks like Stephen is done with you for a while.

“Well, Jim, you know if that is true about “FactCheck” being the final authority confirming that Obama's “COLB” there is entirely genuine and correct…

No, the US government is the final authority and we all know where they stand on President Obama's BC. You feel entitled to see the BC so I provided a source that is “a nonpartisan, nonprofit “consumer advocate” for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics” and you can view the BC and read their write up on it. If you think FactCheck is pro President Obama just do a search on President Obama and you’ll discover they disagree with him quite often. Same as the republicans.

“If Obama made his BC available to Myth Busters that would be the closest thing to disclosure yet to date.”
I never saw any political officials BC except for President Obama's BC. Local, State or Federal. Have you ever seen any other politicians’ BC? How about the republicans who questioned President Obama citizenship. They said that they believe the President is a citizen when call to task over it. Yet they wouldn’t show their BC.

“Or maybe, he could make it available to the Federal Election Commission.” Did the Federal Election Commission ask for it? If they would, President Obama would supply it.

“Just so all can see that he actually fits into the right sequential slot.” You assume that the numbers are sequential and that President Obama's BC numbers are not sequential. I never looked into this but I know some PA certification numbers are given out per location. In other words one location is given a certain number of sequential certificates and when they run out they are given the next available batch. But again I am assuming you have some proof of something but in all honesty you have been proven wrong so many times that it isn't worth my time to do you work. I know President Obama was born in the USA and he will be POTUS for 3.5 or 7.5 years.

And why do you bring Adolph Hitler into the conversation? Are you that under educated? Do you even understand Adolph Hitler? I know Sean Hannity tells you Adolph Hitler and President Obama both used a teleprompter. Who’s drinking the kool-aid?

You don't know Alan. You have posted his birth certificate a dozen times, but he's still a stranger to you. Be respectful. Continue to refer to him as “Some guy named Alan” as you did all the other times.

“Randy – I didn't want to post on you so you could concentrate on Stephen. Looks like Stephen is done with you for a while.”

Not quite, Jim.

I'm just waiting for him to provide some evidence for his claims. He made 8 of them in one post I went through.

And I'm also waiting for him to tell us who “Adolph” Hitler is or was.

I want to know. That way I can maybe ask Adolph how he feels about having a similar name to the worst leader in world history, Adolf Hitler.

But if I can sneak into Brokewind's space and answer the question you put to him, I am sure he does NOT understand who Adolph (or Adolf) Hitler was. Brokewind is still feverishly studying the English language. Just another half century of diligent work and he'll be ready to move on to basic world history.

Hey Stephen. I've been phoning it in with Randy. It is like watching reruns of reruns. I see him hitting his finger with a hammer because he is holding the nail wrong. He keeps doing this over and over again. Other carpenters point out his error and yet he still keeps doing the same thing over and over again. At some point it's hard to watch.

I’ll probably won’t bid on the death squad opening. Who knew that you aren’t safe from the death squads even when you are in the death squads? Maybe when the next position comes available I'll revisit taking the job.

You know, you're right. It's not the same. I stopped cussing at him, since he's not really worth the effort.

Back when the birther animals were more plentiful, a couple of weeks ago, they had more of a complete ecosystem. Brokewind fit in better, because he had other birthers like naturalborn, Tuci78, 24AheadDotCom, AristotletheHun, franknozad, etc. around. Each of them did his little thing, and distracted some of the attention away from Brokewind's meager offerings.

It's like Randwulf is one of those old cassette players. They only had a few buttons: Play, FF, RWD, Stop, and REC (if you were lucky). You had to mash the buttons down and inevitably it would get stuck on FF or something.

And so it is with Randwulf. He doesn't have many tricks and the tricks he knows have no adaptations. So he's stuck trying to get people to admit that the State of Hawai'i never confirmed under oath that Obama was born in any particular hospital, or trying to show us what other people's birth certificate ONLINE IMAGES (that are susceptible to being doctored by bloggers) allegedly look like.

So he's boring me a bit. I just sort of go through his comments in one pass; it's not worth getting into a back-and-forth and waiting for him to respond.

It IS hard to watch. It's hard for me to watch without commenting on how ridiculous he is. Everything I read from him, I just picture guy who lied about so many aspects of his life, ALL ON THE SAME THREAD. I just cannot imagine why he thought people wouldn't notice that he claimed to be three different races, or that he said so many conflicting things about his ex-wife/wife/second wife/dead wife.

I'm not going to miss out on the death squad thing. All roads lead to my retirement date, when I get my pension. I guess I shouldn't call it a “retirement date” since that might make some people think twice about letting the government decide when to let them die.

But anyway, yeah I'm taking the death squad thing if my number comes up. (Crap, there I go scaring the elderly again…) A job's a job.

Plus there's ZERO paperwork involved with the death squad job, since they don't have to do mandatory counseling or mandatory reporting of said counseling, despite what a certain fake lawyer named jimhenderson kept telling us.

Yeah, so I'll look for you in line when they start the next round of selection for the death squads. Until then I'll see you around these threads as we try to convince Brokewind that he's doing the birthers more harm than good.

Read the fucking thing and tell me what else I should call him. His name is there on the long form, original, doctor signed, CertifiCATE of Live Birth. You know, the kind of document that AKA Obama has never shown, hence the AKA. We don't know what his real name is (or was) because we have never seen the certificate he SHOULD have that would resemble Alan's (if there is one). You missed the point of the link there, dipstick. It is to illustrate for you Obazombies what a real birth certificate from Hawaii looks like.

I posed the question precisely because I was wondering when you sleep. Non-profits have employees. But I think you must be a volunteer. You are a true dyed in the wool follower of the Mombasa Mahdi! You must live to defend him from the “birther” infidels. I think that must be the whole substance of your “fake life”. Am I wrong? Of course you will say I am, I know that already. You would say I was wrong if I told you the sky over Colorado is usually a vibrant blue. You are programmed to attack whatever anyone who doesn't “believe” in Obama might say.

It wasn't a monkey, it was a toothless old Negro gentleman saying AAAAAHHH!!!. I can see where you might get confused though. Would you like to see the image again? Remind you of someone in your family?

Damn! How have you missed that these two weeks? Not like you to pass up a big chance like that. But what about the grammar and spelling? You must now chastise me on that! Here, just drop down below and get that part done. Okay? GOOOOD Stevie!

Oh Brokewind. You know I don’t have it in me to get all riled up at you when you’re in mourning.

Losing one’s fake wife to the Fake Angel of Fake Death is always difficult. I’m going to overlook your ugly racism and your inability to claim your own avatar without lying about it.

But you’d better invent some more fake loved ones, because the fake wife will only get you so far. She’s already dead.

Oh Brokewind. You know I don’t have it in me to get all riled up at you when you’re in mourning.

Losing one’s fake wife to the Fake Angel of Fake Death is always difficult. I’m going to overlook your ugly racism and your inability to claim your own avatar without lying about it.

But you’d better invent some more fake loved ones, because the fake wife will only get you so far. She’s already dead.

You shouldn't call him anything, Brokewind. You don't know that he exists.

You aren't trying to tell us that you BELIEVE that forged document, do you? “Alan” has a birth certificate whose allegedly pre-printed lines aren't even straight. Look at the bottom left. Someone made an error when forging that document.

Besides, it is so heavily redacted that you cannot rely on it for anything.

If you believe THIS is genuine, you have no business questioning President Obama's COLB.

The point of the link is obviously to demonstrate yet again that you are willing to believe ANYTHING that aligns with your prejudice, and simultaneously continue disregarding reality and all evidence to the contrary of your prejudice.

Given how well your link proves your unintentional point, I must congratulate you on doing something useful.

See, you'd have been better off if I had just kept ignoring your links, like we all otherwise do with your silly YouTube links and forged irrelevant birth certificates.

You're a bad liar. You weren't wondering when I sleep or you'd have asked that.

Yes, you're wrong about my fake life. I don't have a fake life. That's your department.

The color of the sky over Colorado is something anyone can look up on the internet. It wouldn't prove that YOU can clearly see anything. But trust me, you racist doofus, we will never mistake you for being color-blind.

I wasn't paying attention to this thread until someone told me you came back. And I generally ignore uninteresting posts from you that aren't directed to me.

But that one deserved new attention, since you recently started trying to snark on other people's grammar. You're one of the last people qualified to do so. You know, considering your plodding idiocy and inability to spell “is” and things like that.

BREAKING NEWS A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama's eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution. If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue.
In a highly anticipated hearing today before Carter, several motions were heard, including a resolution to long-standing questions about whether attorney Orly Taitz properly served notice on the defendants, which she had.
In a second ruling, Carter ordered that attorney Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation can be added to the case to represent plaintiffs Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, who had been removed by an earlier court order. Drake, the vice presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Robinson, the party's chairman, also were restored to the case.

Want to know for certain where Obama was born? Demand the truth by joining the petition campaign to make President Obama reveal his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate!

But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz' motion to be granted discovery – that is the right to see the president's still-concealed records. Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case, submitted by the U.S. government, following discussion over Taitz' challenge to the work of a magistrate in the case.

The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama's eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved.

Carter ordered a hearing Oct. 5 on the motion to dismiss and ordered arguments submitted on the issue of discovery.

If the case survives that challenge, a pretrial hearing has been scheduled for Jan. 11 and the trial for two weeks later.

The case would be the first time, according to Kreep, that the actual merits of the dispute will have been heard in open court. A multitude of such disputes have been rejected out of hand by various state and federal courts. Even the U.S. Supreme Court repeatedly has rejected urgent appeals to hear the evidence.

The suit alleges Obama is actually a citizen of Indonesia and “possibly still citizen of Kenya, usurping the position of the president of the United States of America and the commander-in-chief.”

Proof. You fool. A US District Court Judge may just give us EXACTLY THE PROOF on Oct 5, in California. Then we'll see whose telling 'the truth'!

Are you totally STUPID? We can't GET THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE NOBAMA'S LEGAL LACKEY'S HAVE SPENT OVER $1.3 MILLION IN PREVENTING ITS RELEASE. Since he won't allow it to be released, AND HE REFUSES TO ALLOW ANY OF IT TO BE RELEASED (and hides' behind his lackey's like you staing 'where's the evidence') his position is a LIE FROM THE GET GO.
If you had ANY integrity or desire for the TRUTH, other than NObama's 'Kool-Aid' version, you'd be SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS…..WHY DON'T YOU JUST HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE AND SAY “THIS IS THE MOST OPEN ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY (WHICH HE CLAIMED IT WAS GOING TO BE) AND I'M IMMEDIATELY RELEASING ANY/ALL/EVERY BIRTH CERTIFICATE/SCHOOL RECORD/MEDICAL RECORD, ETC.?
All the rest of your arguments ARE BS in light of this!

How'd that work out for you, birther idiot?

LMFAOAY

How'd that work out for you, birther idiot?

LMFAOAY