Clinton Donors Press for Veep Slot

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Wednesday, July 16, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) appear at a campaign event in New York. (campaign photo)

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) appear at a campaign event in New York. (campaign photo)

Jill Iscol was giddy. She was scrunched up in a chair in an office of the apartment she and her husband — the telecom giant Ken Iscol — own on the Upper East Side of Manhattan and had just finished watching herself from earlier that day when she appeared on MSNBC with Andrea Mitchell. It was the afternoon of July 14 and Iscol, the longtime friend of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton — who had worked as a “bundler” during the junior New York senator’s presidential campaign — was feeling better than she had just the day prior.

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Only a day before, on “Meet the Press,” Mitchell had brought up an interview Iscol had given to The Los Angeles Times about a conversation she had with Sen. Barack Obama, the substance of which she thought Mitchell had mangled. Iscol had asked to clarify her remarks, and she now was enjoying a small degree of satisfaction. At issue? The word “baggage.”

“I was upset about the spin because the conversation had nothing to do with baggage,” Iscol said. “I said to [Obama], ‘I know as you’re vetting candidates there’s going to be baggage and he said, ‘No, that has nothing to do with that. It has to do with him being a former president.’”

Iscol should expect to find herself in such delicate situations from now on. Before this campaign, Iscol was a private person who could raise a lot of money, who became friends with the first family in the 1990s, after her son Zach and Chelsea Clinton became friends. She was the woman who brought the Clinton family a casserole for dinner after they had moved into their home in suburban New York.

An educator with a PhD from Columbia, Iscol, who’d grown up in Long Island and matriculated as an undergraduate at the University of Pittsburgh, had raised oodles of money while doing groundwork in states like Texas and Pennsylvania and Indiana over the past year. But now she had become something more: The undeclared leader of influential, well-heeled and still-angry Hillary supporters pressing not only for a Clinton vice presidency but a reformation of the Democratic Party.

Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a fellow Clinton supporter said: “Jill will be effective because she’s completely genuine and wants to get the right results. She’s completely committed to everything the Clintons have stood for their whole life.”

Iscol, while sharing a chocloate bar with this reporter, was focused on how the cause of the Clintons could continue. It could best be manifested, Iscol said, should Obama make the supposed dream ticket happen and invite Clinton aboard his Audacity of Hope Express.

“I think if Obama picks Hillary Clinton it will just be an amazing party,” Iscol said “We will have an African-American man with a woman who was first lady, who’s been a senator and who is one of the most capable people in the world. I mean it could electrify the party and give us the energy as a country that we need. We have enormous problems to solve. We need the best and the brightest. If he picks Evan Bayh or Joe Biden or John Edwards — those people didn’t get the votes. He wants change? Be the person of change and unity.

“It’ll pick him up and he’ll have somebody who will roll her sleeves up and will do whatever needs to be done,” Iscol continued. “That’s who she is. She is unafraid of conflict. She’s the most disciplined, hardworking person I know.”

Iscol said this to Obama last week, when he had called her following her comments in the meticulous July 7 Wall Street Journal story that explored the resistance of Clinton donors to switch their alliances to his side. Obama had called her to address her concerns, and she transformed the conversation into a probe over Clinton’s chances for the second slot. Yes, according to Iscol, Obama said that Clinton was was under consideration, but according to her, he was also worried about trying to run a White House with a former president hovering around the West Wing.

For now that was enough. But just for now. That’s because Iscol had been both an internal and external lightning rod, a symbol of the frustration that many Clinton supporters still feel — despite the appearance the two Democrats made in Unity, N.H., and the joint fund-raisers they held in New York last week.

Now, sitting in her home office–she and her husband spend most of their time at their suburban house in Pound Ridge and summer on Martha’s Vineyard–Iscol was unwilling to back away from the ferocity of such sentiments. Yes, she had spent the majority of Clinton’s July 7 speech at the National Building Museum in Washington crying, but had regathered her resolve and force and was now ready to use it. Earlier this month, 40 people had gathered at the Pound Ridge house in an effort to begin undoing the wrongs they saw executed by the Democratic Party.

“I think the media was very pro-Obama and I think someday they’ll be many dissertations about it and somebody will prove it,” Iscol said. “But we felt, and still feel, that she was treated badly not only by the media but by party leaders. The drumbeat for her to get out–what was that about? Here was Nancy Pelosi saying she should get out by such-and-such a date. What right did she have to say that? Is there a drumbeat to get her out of her leadership position and make the House relevant? No. And she’s leading the drumbeat for Hillary to get out of the primary? It was wrong. It was wrong, and when people saw what was going on they should have said no, this has to stop.”

Nor does Iscol have much use for the caucus system, used predominantly by Iowa but also by 13 other states. Like other Clinton supporters, she has little respect for the open-forum type of vote casting, during which, quite simply, you show up in a room, stand with other people who support your candidate and wait to be counted. In truth, it can be a long, strange, complicated process. For the record, Clinton lost 13 of the 14 caucuses held across the country.

“It’s not democratic,” Iscol said. “People have to be in a room at a certain time of day and it’s open, so you could be in the room and your boss is in there and if your boss votes one way, you’re not going to go vote another way. Plus it hurts people with disabilities, with strange working hours, with children. It’s staged for a certain demographic.”

Needless to say, Iscol is not alone in her remaining anger over what happened. A recent poll conducted by CNN and Opinion Research Corp. found nearly a third of those who supported Clinton during the primaries now say they would rather not cast any vote than vote for Obama.

To make matters more murky, an examination of campaign-finance records conducted for the Journal by the Center for Responsive Politics revealed that only one of 300 “HillRaisers” — supporters who had raised more than $100,000 for Clinton — had formally supported Obama in May. The article went on to report that 115 people who’d given at least $1,000 for Clinton had donated money to the presumptive GOP nominee, Sen. John McCain — a figure equal to those who did the same for Obama.

Clinton supporter and West Coast political heavy-weight Susie Tompkins Buell, who co-founded Espirit, will not support McCain, but doesn’t know if she’ll throw either her backing or financial heft behind Obama either. While she and Iscol had been acquaintances for years, it was during the primary campaign that they bonded over what they felt was malfeasance committed against Clinton. Buell, for her part, felt the media saw disparaging Clinton as a kind of game, with each person seeing how far they could push it.

“I personally just kept waiting for someone to speak up or someone from the Democratic Party to sat this is out of bounds and it never happened,” Buell said. “I’m shocked they got away with it.”

“It remains to be seen,” Buell said when asked if she would write Obama a check. “There are a lot of factors–how he takes care of her debt, how he treats her at the convention, whether she’s really in consideration for vice president. We’re really just concerned with how the Obama campaign treated Sen. Clinton. They were so dismissive of her amazing work and trivialized her work as first lady. Helping her with her debt [Now estimated at $12 million, not including the $13 million the Clintons donated to the campaign] doesn’t seem to be a big priority to him. If they’re so smart, we should have this behind us by this point.”

A spokesperson for the Obama campaign did not respond to a request for comment by deadline. And it would seem that by the joint Clinton-and-Obama appearances, whose frivolity rivals an old Elaine May-Mike Nichols routine, at least publicly Clinton and Obama are content to play nice.

But that doesn’t mean Iscol has to. She bemoaned the failure of the Clinton campaign to understand the new media nimbleness and attraction to youth Obama’s campaign had. She knew that spending as much time as Clinton did in Iowa hurt the campaign both fiscally and emotionally.

Recounting her angry screed in the Huffington Post back in May, Iscol said: “I was really pissed at the party for trying to push her out and I just thought it was completely, completely unfair. I took a beating, but I don’t care. I felt good that I said what I did, and that it mattered enough that so many people had gotten so angry.”

There are of course cooler, or at least more dispassionate heads, among the Clinton ranks. This would include Christina Weiss Lurie. Lurie–who owns the Philadelphia Eagles with her husband Jeffrey–supported Clinton, because she, like Iscol, had known Clinton for several years. It’s not that Lurie disliked Obama–she didn’t even know him. Lurie simply felt Clinton had a better understanding of the issues facing us in this dark hour of American life.

And, unlike others, she isn’t publicly pressing for Obama to choose Clinton as his running mate. Instead, Lurie believes Obama must choose someone who best suits him as a second in command, and trusts that Clinton will have an important place within the campaign. And no, she will not vote for McCain, even though, as owners of a professional sports franchise, the couple supports candidates from both parties.

“I understand that people come from a different place,” Lurie said. “I understand where people come from and why they feel the way they do, but that’s not the path I’m taking. After the last eight years, we have to think pragmatically. We have to think about what is best for the country not only domestically but internationally. So pointing fingers, that’s something I have no interest in. I do understand, at the end of the day, there are people who believe Hillary should have been the nominee, but we have a system in place, and through that system we have Obama as our candidate.”

But still the fervor remains. Now with the primary race over, Iscol, a woman friendly with both candidates, has been left to harness the energy of the past campaign to ensure that the 18 million folks who voted for Clinton will keep their votes within the party.

Yes, Clinton didn’t command the kind of frenzied large rallies that Obama did. But her followers were just as loyal as their counterparts. Now, in mass, they feel they’re owed something by the winning side. With the Clinton supporters who showed up at her home, she helped found a group whose web home, Together4us.com calls on Obama and the DNC to honor “Hillary Clinton and her supporters at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.” As of this writing, de Rothschild, who heads the site, said that close to 5,000 people had signed up. While there is a multiplicty of opinions on how to move forward–from pressing super-delegates to vote for Clinton or making sure she’s the vice presidential nominee–one thing remains clear. They all are devoted to Clinton.

“The long-term purpose of the website is for people to stay together after the election,” said de Rothschild, who’s made it clear she’s no fan of Obama and even included a link to the McCain campaign page on the site. “What we want to do is continue to mobilize people who believe in Hillary Clinton and her policies, support the things she supports and the candidates she supports. These are people who really bled their hearts and souls for Hillary Clinton.”

But there remains the question of now. With a month between now and the Democratic Convention in August, Iscol and the army she helps command are in a race to help secure what they see as the best possible outcome after an exhaustive process.

“This is crunch time,” Iscol said. “It’s the turning point. Who he picks as vice president is either going to electrify the Democratic Party and help us elect him or not. Passion is an interesting thing. He has the opportunity to put together two passionate forces. He needs her. He needs us. He needs her bundlers, he needs her coalition. If she were in his shoes, I’d be saying the exact same thing.”

When asked what would make her a “happy camper”–a reference to her comment to the Journal where Iscol said she simply wasn’t–she took a long pause and her voice dropped to a whisper. Of course, a Clinton presidency would have had her beaming on the cover of an L.L. Bean catalogue. But that was out of the question, and in truth had been since Super Tuesday. Now her expectations had changed.

“I’ll be a very happy camper when he picks her as the vice president,” Iscol said. “Yes. Her 18 million supporters need to be considered and respected. He has an opportunity to ensure a victory by combing his forces with hers. If he does that he will win. I don’t want to be angry. I just want him to do the right thing…Now.”

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35 Comments

verafromsedona
Comment posted August 12, 2008 @ 11:59 am

Dear Clinton supporters:

Time to wipe your tears and move on. The Democratic Party has its nominee. The Republicans in all their wisdom have theirs. Now the choice is up to the American people. Your Lies, bloggs, letters, petitions, threats and tears will not change that. In November you will have to choose between, the democratic candidate promising a change from Bush/McCain politics. Or McCain who says he is not running on the Bush presidency. But McCain might want to check his campaign


kwaayesnama
Comment posted August 12, 2008 @ 11:33 am

We all know Hillary has those 18,000,000 supporters that LOVE her to death..

So please help her by showing your love…

This is my challenge to Clinton supporters…

If you like Hillary please send her $1 this month…

If you really loved her please send her $5…

If you really – really – really loved her send her $10…

And all of you McCain supporters that are thankful to the bitter Clinton supporters please send her $100, you could afford it much more then the poor uneducated, white, bitter Clinton followers…

By next month all eighteen plus million of you will pay off her debt and we will not have to listen to her begging anymore…

This will also be an indicator of how many people truly care about the Clintons…


groucho
Comment posted July 25, 2008 @ 4:16 pm

The fact that many Clinton supporters now claim to prefer McCain to Obama shows what many of us have thought all along: the Clintons were not really Democrats; they were just interested in holding power. That’s why so much of her campaign (and now the vitriol of her supporters) is about what SHE deserves, not what the country needs. While Clinton supporters do have legitimate complaints about her treatment by the media, there only complaint about Obama appears to be that he had the nerve to run when she had already earned the right to be President. Now their focus seems to be that its more important that he show her the proper respect than that he pick the person best able to help him win and govern effectively. I don’t think I am the only person who prefers Obama at least in part because he keeps pointing out that the campaign is not about him. When Hillary and her supporters understand this point, maybe they will be able to open their minds and hearts to the principles which are at the core of the Democratic party. We dont need two Republican parties.


tlatexaspuma
Comment posted July 20, 2008 @ 12:48 pm

First, HillRaisers are only one organization. There are at least 230 websites under the Just Say No Coalition that have grown to over 2.5 million members in 6 weeks. Former Obama supporters are joining as well do the continius flip-flops of the candidate. These members are men and women, young and old, and all races. We love our party, but we love our country more. Each memmber in the organization has their own view and outcome as does Ms.Iscol. We are have the same agreement though is the fact we will not endorse Senator Obama. A vote for Senator Obama would be for a party that has abandoned the principles of ‘equal representation’ that our nation and the idea of the proportional primary was founded upon.

DNC Rules & Bylaws committee back room dealing and only counting 1/2 the votes and delegates from FL & MI. As a Democrat that reverted me back to the Gore election of 2000. The Democratic primary was a close race like the Bush-Gore race of 2000. Deja vu huh! I wasn


sheltiemom
Comment posted July 20, 2008 @ 9:12 am

To each and every Obama supporter on this blog: Wise up. If you were listening to the MSM (MSNBC, CNN) they you’d have to know how Hillary Clinton was treated by your Selectee and the MSM. If you do know and were cheering them on, then you deserve what you might get in November. But if we PUMAs can help it, he’ll be just another also-ran. Let’s see him try to brush that off his shoulder and pants leg.


sojourner
Comment posted July 19, 2008 @ 7:52 pm

I am a Hillary supporter who definitely does not want to see Hillary as Obama’s VP. I hope she stays far away from him. He would only drag her down with a certain failed presidency.

Donna Brazile has said the Democratic party no longer needs what has always been its base. They have young voters now, and African Americans to take the place of old white ladies and Hispanics and Jews. Well, let’s just see how she feels about that in November.


turndownobama
Comment posted July 19, 2008 @ 7:02 pm

HIllary as VP would pick up some of her shallower supporters, but it would create opposition from her more serious supporters, who do not want her to give up her own Senate career to follow Obama’s orders. Whenever this idea is mentioned on blogs such as pumapac, bitterpoliticz, hillaryis44, etc, there is much, er, bitter opposition.


fogcityjohn
Comment posted July 19, 2008 @ 3:33 pm

It’s amazing to see Clinton supporters demanding that Clinton and her supporters be “respected” when they have shown so little respect to Obama and his supporters. These rich, out-of-touch, white women haven’t thought twice about how disrespectful they’ve been to Obama’s African-American supporters. On the night Obama sealed the nomination, Clinton didn’t ONCE recognize in her speech the historic nature of an African-American winning the nomination of a major political party. This is all the more galling to African-Americans, since without their support, neither Bill nor Hillary Clinton would be in office today.

And I’m sure all of these women cheered Hillary Clinton’s unsubtle racializing of the primary campaign. They’ve screamed about all of the sexism in the campaign, but they uttered not a peep when Hillary tried to tie Obama to Farrakhan on the basis of nothing other than skin color. Trust me, although neither Ms. Iscol nor Her Ladyship Forrester de Rotschild may care about such things, African-Americans do.

So to the Hillary diehards who are threatening to support McCain or sit this out, I say consider this: If Obama loses because of you, African-Americans may hold your dear Hillary responsible, and if she tries to run in 2012, AAs may do to her what you’re trying to do to Obama. And I don’t care how wonderful you think Hillary is, she’ll never be elected without the strong support of the AA community. Try to imagine Hillary seeking to convince AAs to forgive her (white) supporters’ refusal to support the first black nominee the Democratic Party has ever had. If y’all think the Clintons’ relationship to AA voters is bad now, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.


moondancer
Comment posted July 19, 2008 @ 2:53 pm

So what percentage of the Clintonista is behind this? After the faction that is supporting McCain in a lemming like rush to political self destruction, and the faction that intends to destroy Obama at the convention how many can be left to force Clinton on the hated Obama? Really.

If Obama loses, It will be entertaining to watch Clinton try to put the pieces back together in a party that will largely blame her for the defeat.

Oh and cornforth, given the choice between a resume of three years of excellence and twenty plus of mediocrity and corruption I choose the excellence.


moondancer
Comment posted July 19, 2008 @ 2:52 pm

So what percentage of the Clintonista is behind this? After the faction that is supporting McCain in a lemming like rush to political self destruction, and the faction that intends to destroy Obama at the convention how many can be left to force Clinton on the hated Obama? Really.

If Obama loses, It will be entertaining to watch Clinton try to put the pieces back together in a party that will largely blame her for the defeat.

Oh and cornforth, given the choice between a resume of three years of excellence and twenty plus of mediocrity and corruption I choose the excellence.


cornforth
Comment posted July 18, 2008 @ 7:52 pm

I hope that if Obama does offer the VP position of Clinton that she turns it down flat.

She is over qualified for that position. If Obama loses in November guess who most will/would blame? Clinton.

To have to support someone on a daily basis as underqualified as Senator Obama would be mind numbing to say the least.

Bluemax you stated all the bills and legislation Obama has help introduce and support…….but you did not let it be known tha he has one of the HIGHEST Absences among all the Senators. Even Clinton and McCain have less absences than Obama.

Who CARES what the mans skin color is? I sure as heck do not.

It simply comes down to this one glaring mind blowing fact. A 3 YR SENATOR FROM ILLIONIS DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERIANCE NEEDED TO DO THE JOB AS IT DEMANDS. EVEN HE SAID 3 YRS AGO HE WOULD NOT HAVE THE EXPERIANCE HE BELIEVES IS NEEDED FOR SUCH AN IMPORTANT POSITION.


bluemax
Comment posted July 18, 2008 @ 12:55 am

To Debby Cardarella, voice-over artist: Those who are voting for the Democratic candidate in November, remain distraught by how YOU Clinton supporters have treated Senator Obama. Your ignorance is demonstrated by use of derogatory terms to describe our candidate, “tanned-golden boy” and “visceral true color


lvdragonlady
Comment posted July 17, 2008 @ 3:45 pm

I can only hope the Barack, keeps his own counsel and does not let outside influences impact his decision.

She is not a good vp choice, never has been and the last thing he needs is cement shoes to drag him down.


qpulpit
Comment posted July 17, 2008 @ 11:03 am

For months I’ve had to endure ridiculous insults for being a supporter of Senator Obama. Now that the “cult of personality” surrounding the Clinton’s has been exposed I have mixed emotions of anger and amusement.

It continues to be sickening that these Hillraisers continue to hide the shortcommings of their candidate behind charges of sexism. Hillary Clinton had all of the advantages going into the primary but she lost because she hired crappy advisors, ran a crappy campaign, and she voted for a war that the majority of the Democratic party hates. They offer no evidence whatsoever that gender hurt her campaign and gloss over her and her husband’s racebaiting.

If these ‘Democrats in name only’ want to withhold their support for the candidate I say go ahead and walk. In politics no one gets everything they want. Senator Obama has done quite enough to placate the Hillraisers. At this point they are either on board or not. Repaying the debt that Clinton generated in their failed presidential bid is a drag on fundraising that is needed to defeat McCain and I’ll have no part of it.

I will be making donations to any primary opponent of Clinton in her next senate race. I’ve had enough of the Clinton’s and their divisive legion of fatcats.


truegreen
Comment posted July 17, 2008 @ 9:41 am

As long as Clinton supporters continue to pester Barack Obama to tap Hillary Clinton for VP, the more Obama and his supporters will push back. Obama is the nominee and the decisions is his and his only not Clinton supporters. Clinton supporters should keep in mind Obama holds Hillary’s feature in his hands. Whoever Obama choses the Clinton people will just have to live with it.


debby4hill
Comment posted July 17, 2008 @ 7:15 am

As one who has spent a lifetime working in the media as a broadcaster/producer and on-air talent, I was and remain distraught by how Hillary Clinton was treated both in print and by the electronic media. While droves of Obama fans swooned at his feet, his stump rhetoric was full of empty but convincing promises. I say convincing because as an on-air talent myself, I recognized that his camera persona and stage demeanor would propel him forward. But I found his words trite, and that spoken by a neophyte (newbie). Moreover, I am stunned that Obama with a only a year in the Senate, had the hubris, (becoming more pronouced as his campaign the days go by) to run for the highest office in the country. Furthermore, some of his retorts were very unconvincing. For example, no one with an IQ 2 above plant life, could possibly believe that after 20years sitting in Reverand Wright’s pews he had not heard anti-American rhetoric. So why did this ostensibly ambitious man act as if he were ignorant of such musings at the pulpit? And why why why did he remain in that church, and expose his wife and family to these anti-white diatribes? Moreover, Obama’s stream of mistruths began when he said he was conceivd during the events surrounding the Selma incident–now if that were true, it would mean that Barack Obama’s mother had a four year gestational period before giving birth to her son. Yet, the media never called him out on this. Moreover, while the focus was on Hillary’s “snipergate”- Mr. Clean was reported to have gone to a major Chicago Newspaper, to admit that he had been more involved in the Rezko deal than he noted earlier–Yet again, Obama was given a free pass.

But the most disgraceful activities during the primary were conducted by Speaker Nacy Pelosi, who kept prompting Hillary to get out of the race and make way for her “tanned-golden boy” Pelosi’s actions were abhorent, and so ostensibly skewed- that it was impossible not to recognize them for what they were.

My hope is that Hillblazers, and supporters of Hillary Clinton, continue to make their sentiments known. And that at the convention her name is called out in nomination.

As for me, I will not support Barack Obama, who apart from skin color, is far from a candidate of “Change”. In fact, his recents flipflops, show his visceral true color “Yellow”- a coward fearing that sticking to his initial convictions would lose him the race. Is that the change we want?

One note for those who care that Hillary is considered for VP. As long as Barack Obama feels he doesn’t need her support or volume of contributers, ,my hunch is that he is appealing to the money folks but has absolutely no intention of asking her to be VP-

So dearest Clinton contributors, please consider before pouring dollars into his campaign. Do we want Hillary in the Senate ad infinitum, or in the White House where she truley belongs.

Debby Cardarella, Media Specialist


motherofgloom
Comment posted July 17, 2008 @ 1:27 am

Reading this article put me in a rage, You just want Obama to do the right thing!!!!!!! How dare you tell him the right thing to do. Just answer me this if John McCain is elected because people like this infantile woman will vote against their own interests for spite, will she be a happy camper then? It is because of women like this that I changed my vote midstream for Hillary to Obama .
She is trying to blackmail Obama into choosing Hillary as his v.p. with money. It disgusts me. Why doesn’t she hold her breath stamp her feet and turn blue if she doesn’t get her way. My 2 year old did it all the time. Then you could all wait till 2008 to stop a war, get universal health care, a good public school system, etc. plus most important of all, what will she do if dear old John picks a supreme court nominee who will be against a womens right to choose, and actively beginning to try to overturn Roe vs. Wade because in the next 4 years there will almost certainly have to be another supreme court judge chosen. How bout that!!!! Will you be satisfied then?


motherofgloom
Comment posted July 16, 2008 @ 8:27 pm

Reading this article put me in a rage, You just want Obama to do the right thing!!!!!!! How dare you tell him the right thing to do. Just answer me this if John McCain is elected because people like this infantile woman will vote against their own interests for spite, will she be a happy camper then? It is because of women like this that I changed my vote midstream for Hillary to Obama .
She is trying to blackmail Obama into choosing Hillary as his v.p. with money. It disgusts me. Why doesn't she hold her breath stamp her feet and turn blue if she doesn't get her way. My 2 year old did it all the time. Then you could all wait till 2008 to stop a war, get universal health care, a good public school system, etc. plus most important of all, what will she do if dear old John picks a supreme court nominee who will be against a womens right to choose, and actively beginning to try to overturn Roe vs. Wade because in the next 4 years there will almost certainly have to be another supreme court judge chosen. How bout that!!!! Will you be satisfied then?


debby4hill
Comment posted July 17, 2008 @ 2:15 am

As one who has spent a lifetime working in the media as a broadcaster/producer and on-air talent, I was and remain distraught by how Hillary Clinton was treated both in print and by the electronic media. While droves of Obama fans swooned at his feet, his stump rhetoric was full of empty but convincing promises. I say convincing because as an on-air talent myself, I recognized that his camera persona and stage demeanor would propel him forward. But I found his words trite, and that spoken by a neophyte (newbie). Moreover, I am stunned that Obama with a only a year in the Senate, had the hubris, (becoming more pronouced as his campaign the days go by) to run for the highest office in the country. Furthermore, some of his retorts were very unconvincing. For example, no one with an IQ 2 above plant life, could possibly believe that after 20years sitting in Reverand Wright's pews he had not heard anti-American rhetoric. So why did this ostensibly ambitious man act as if he were ignorant of such musings at the pulpit? And why why why did he remain in that church, and expose his wife and family to these anti-white diatribes? Moreover, Obama's stream of mistruths began when he said he was conceivd during the events surrounding the Selma incident–now if that were true, it would mean that Barack Obama's mother had a four year gestational period before giving birth to her son. Yet, the media never called him out on this. Moreover, while the focus was on Hillary's “snipergate”- Mr. Clean was reported to have gone to a major Chicago Newspaper, to admit that he had been more involved in the Rezko deal than he noted earlier–Yet again, Obama was given a free pass.

But the most disgraceful activities during the primary were conducted by Speaker Nacy Pelosi, who kept prompting Hillary to get out of the race and make way for her “tanned-golden boy” Pelosi's actions were abhorent, and so ostensibly skewed- that it was impossible not to recognize them for what they were.

My hope is that Hillblazers, and supporters of Hillary Clinton, continue to make their sentiments known. And that at the convention her name is called out in nomination.

As for me, I will not support Barack Obama, who apart from skin color, is far from a candidate of “Change”. In fact, his recents flipflops, show his visceral true color “Yellow”- a coward fearing that sticking to his initial convictions would lose him the race. Is that the change we want?

One note for those who care that Hillary is considered for VP. As long as Barack Obama feels he doesn't need her support or volume of contributers, ,my hunch is that he is appealing to the money folks but has absolutely no intention of asking her to be VP-

So dearest Clinton contributors, please consider before pouring dollars into his campaign. Do we want Hillary in the Senate ad infinitum, or in the White House where she truley belongs.

Debby Cardarella, Media Specialist


truegreen
Comment posted July 17, 2008 @ 4:41 am

As long as Clinton supporters continue to pester Barack Obama to tap Hillary Clinton for VP, the more Obama and his supporters will push back. Obama is the nominee and the decisions is his and his only not Clinton supporters. Clinton supporters should keep in mind Obama holds Hillary's feature in his hands. Whoever Obama choses the Clinton people will just have to live with it.


qpulpit
Comment posted July 17, 2008 @ 6:03 am

For months I've had to endure ridiculous insults for being a supporter of Senator Obama. Now that the “cult of personality” surrounding the Clinton's has been exposed I have mixed emotions of anger and amusement.

It continues to be sickening that these Hillraisers continue to hide the shortcommings of their candidate behind charges of sexism. Hillary Clinton had all of the advantages going into the primary but she lost because she hired crappy advisors, ran a crappy campaign, and she voted for a war that the majority of the Democratic party hates. They offer no evidence whatsoever that gender hurt her campaign and gloss over her and her husband's racebaiting.

If these 'Democrats in name only' want to withhold their support for the candidate I say go ahead and walk. In politics no one gets everything they want. Senator Obama has done quite enough to placate the Hillraisers. At this point they are either on board or not. Repaying the debt that Clinton generated in their failed presidential bid is a drag on fundraising that is needed to defeat McCain and I'll have no part of it.

I will be making donations to any primary opponent of Clinton in her next senate race. I've had enough of the Clinton's and their divisive legion of fatcats.


lvdragonlady
Comment posted July 17, 2008 @ 10:45 am

I can only hope the Barack, keeps his own counsel and does not let outside influences impact his decision.

She is not a good vp choice, never has been and the last thing he needs is cement shoes to drag him down.


bluemax
Comment posted July 17, 2008 @ 7:55 pm

To Debby Cardarella, voice-over artist: Those who are voting for the Democratic candidate in November, remain distraught by how YOU Clinton supporters have treated Senator Obama. Your ignorance is demonstrated by use of derogatory terms to describe our candidate, “tanned-golden boy” and “visceral true color


cornforth
Comment posted July 18, 2008 @ 2:52 pm

I hope that if Obama does offer the VP position of Clinton that she turns it down flat.

She is over qualified for that position. If Obama loses in November guess who most will/would blame? Clinton.

To have to support someone on a daily basis as underqualified as Senator Obama would be mind numbing to say the least.

Bluemax you stated all the bills and legislation Obama has help introduce and support…….but you did not let it be known tha he has one of the HIGHEST Absences among all the Senators. Even Clinton and McCain have less absences than Obama.

Who CARES what the mans skin color is? I sure as heck do not.

It simply comes down to this one glaring mind blowing fact. A 3 YR SENATOR FROM ILLIONIS DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERIANCE NEEDED TO DO THE JOB AS IT DEMANDS. EVEN HE SAID 3 YRS AGO HE WOULD NOT HAVE THE EXPERIANCE HE BELIEVES IS NEEDED FOR SUCH AN IMPORTANT POSITION.


moondancer
Comment posted July 19, 2008 @ 9:52 am

So what percentage of the Clintonista is behind this? After the faction that is supporting McCain in a lemming like rush to political self destruction, and the faction that intends to destroy Obama at the convention how many can be left to force Clinton on the hated Obama? Really.

If Obama loses, It will be entertaining to watch Clinton try to put the pieces back together in a party that will largely blame her for the defeat.

Oh and cornforth, given the choice between a resume of three years of excellence and twenty plus of mediocrity and corruption I choose the excellence.


moondancer
Comment posted July 19, 2008 @ 9:53 am

So what percentage of the Clintonista is behind this? After the faction that is supporting McCain in a lemming like rush to political self destruction, and the faction that intends to destroy Obama at the convention how many can be left to force Clinton on the hated Obama? Really.

If Obama loses, It will be entertaining to watch Clinton try to put the pieces back together in a party that will largely blame her for the defeat.

Oh and cornforth, given the choice between a resume of three years of excellence and twenty plus of mediocrity and corruption I choose the excellence.


fogcityjohn
Comment posted July 19, 2008 @ 10:33 am

It's amazing to see Clinton supporters demanding that Clinton and her supporters be “respected” when they have shown so little respect to Obama and his supporters. These rich, out-of-touch, white women haven't thought twice about how disrespectful they've been to Obama's African-American supporters. On the night Obama sealed the nomination, Clinton didn't ONCE recognize in her speech the historic nature of an African-American winning the nomination of a major political party. This is all the more galling to African-Americans, since without their support, neither Bill nor Hillary Clinton would be in office today.

And I'm sure all of these women cheered Hillary Clinton's unsubtle racializing of the primary campaign. They've screamed about all of the sexism in the campaign, but they uttered not a peep when Hillary tried to tie Obama to Farrakhan on the basis of nothing other than skin color. Trust me, although neither Ms. Iscol nor Her Ladyship Forrester de Rotschild may care about such things, African-Americans do.

So to the Hillary diehards who are threatening to support McCain or sit this out, I say consider this: If Obama loses because of you, African-Americans may hold your dear Hillary responsible, and if she tries to run in 2012, AAs may do to her what you're trying to do to Obama. And I don't care how wonderful you think Hillary is, she'll never be elected without the strong support of the AA community. Try to imagine Hillary seeking to convince AAs to forgive her (white) supporters' refusal to support the first black nominee the Democratic Party has ever had. If y'all think the Clintons' relationship to AA voters is bad now, you ain't seen nuthin' yet.


turndownobama
Comment posted July 19, 2008 @ 2:02 pm

HIllary as VP would pick up some of her shallower supporters, but it would create opposition from her more serious supporters, who do not want her to give up her own Senate career to follow Obama's orders. Whenever this idea is mentioned on blogs such as pumapac, bitterpoliticz, hillaryis44, etc, there is much, er, bitter opposition.


sojourner
Comment posted July 19, 2008 @ 2:52 pm

I am a Hillary supporter who definitely does not want to see Hillary as Obama's VP. I hope she stays far away from him. He would only drag her down with a certain failed presidency.

Donna Brazile has said the Democratic party no longer needs what has always been its base. They have young voters now, and African Americans to take the place of old white ladies and Hispanics and Jews. Well, let's just see how she feels about that in November.


sheltiemom
Comment posted July 20, 2008 @ 4:12 am

To each and every Obama supporter on this blog: Wise up. If you were listening to the MSM (MSNBC, CNN) they you'd have to know how Hillary Clinton was treated by your Selectee and the MSM. If you do know and were cheering them on, then you deserve what you might get in November. But if we PUMAs can help it, he'll be just another also-ran. Let's see him try to brush that off his shoulder and pants leg.


tlatexaspuma
Comment posted July 20, 2008 @ 7:48 am

First, HillRaisers are only one organization. There are at least 230 websites under the Just Say No Coalition that have grown to over 2.5 million members in 6 weeks. Former Obama supporters are joining as well do the continius flip-flops of the candidate. These members are men and women, young and old, and all races. We love our party, but we love our country more. Each memmber in the organization has their own view and outcome as does Ms.Iscol. We are have the same agreement though is the fact we will not endorse Senator Obama. A vote for Senator Obama would be for a party that has abandoned the principles of 'equal representation' that our nation and the idea of the proportional primary was founded upon.

DNC Rules & Bylaws committee back room dealing and only counting 1/2 the votes and delegates from FL & MI. As a Democrat that reverted me back to the Gore election of 2000. The Democratic primary was a close race like the Bush-Gore race of 2000. Deja vu huh! I wasn


groucho
Comment posted July 25, 2008 @ 11:16 am

The fact that many Clinton supporters now claim to prefer McCain to Obama shows what many of us have thought all along: the Clintons were not really Democrats; they were just interested in holding power. That's why so much of her campaign (and now the vitriol of her supporters) is about what SHE deserves, not what the country needs. While Clinton supporters do have legitimate complaints about her treatment by the media, there only complaint about Obama appears to be that he had the nerve to run when she had already earned the right to be President. Now their focus seems to be that its more important that he show her the proper respect than that he pick the person best able to help him win and govern effectively. I don't think I am the only person who prefers Obama at least in part because he keeps pointing out that the campaign is not about him. When Hillary and her supporters understand this point, maybe they will be able to open their minds and hearts to the principles which are at the core of the Democratic party. We dont need two Republican parties.


kwaayesnama
Comment posted August 12, 2008 @ 6:33 am

We all know Hillary has those 18,000,000 supporters that LOVE her to death..

So please help her by showing your love…

This is my challenge to Clinton supporters…

If you like Hillary please send her $1 this month…

If you really loved her please send her $5…

If you really – really – really loved her send her $10…

And all of you McCain supporters that are thankful to the bitter Clinton supporters please send her $100, you could afford it much more then the poor uneducated, white, bitter Clinton followers…

By next month all eighteen plus million of you will pay off her debt and we will not have to listen to her begging anymore…

This will also be an indicator of how many people truly care about the Clintons…


verafromsedona
Comment posted August 12, 2008 @ 6:59 am

Dear Clinton supporters:

Time to wipe your tears and move on. The Democratic Party has its nominee. The Republicans in all their wisdom have theirs. Now the choice is up to the American people. Your Lies, bloggs, letters, petitions, threats and tears will not change that. In November you will have to choose between, the democratic candidate promising a change from Bush/McCain politics. Or McCain who says he is not running on the Bush presidency. But McCain might want to check his campaign


Debby Cardarella
Comment posted June 12, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

Whowho ever you are, I have never uttered such words, and find this type of accusatory and discrimninatory remarks extremely offensive

Deb Cardarella


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