Anti-Immigration Activists See Opportunity in Health Care Debate

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Friday, August 14, 2009 at 1:05 am
President Barack Obama (WDCpix)

President Barack Obama (WDCpix)

When President Obama showed up for a town hall meeting in New Hampshire on Tuesday, he heard more than just protests against health care.

“We don’t need illegals,” yelled a white-bearded protester into his megaphone outside the high school auditorium in Portsmouth, caught on video here. “Send ‘em all back. Send ‘em back with a bullet in the head the second time.”

If the threats of violence weren’t clear enough, the man goes on to say: “Read what Jefferson said about the Tree of Liberty — it’s coming, baby.” Thomas Jefferson’s actual quote was “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

As the heat gets turned up on the health care reform debate, anti-immigrant activists are using the issue to whip up fear and anger toward immigrants, portraying them as a costly and burdensome drain on any taxpayer-supported U.S. health care system. Angry questions about illegal immigrants getting health care at town hall meetings across the country have put many lawmakers on the defensive.

At his town hall meeting in Pennsylvania, for example, Democratic Sen. Arlen Specter had to assure protesters that illegal immigrants would not be covered. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has gone out of her way to make that point as well. Sen. Benjamin Cardin (D-Md.) faced similar shouted questions at his town hall forum on Wednesday, and repeatedly emphasized that illegal immigrants are not covered by the House bill. President Obama has also made the point, although it’s not clear that the anti-reform activists have heard it.

The protesters are spurred on in large part by immigration restrictionist groups who are using the health care debate to spread fears about immigrants. The restrictionist group Numbers USA, for example, has been posting video interviews online with unnamed “experts” warning that emergency rooms are overwhelmed by both legal and illegal immigrants, and that subsidized health care won’t be available for other low-income Americans because immigrants will be using it all up.

The Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, meanwhile, a non-profit research organization that says it’s “animated by a pro-immigrant, low-immigration vision,” is sponsoring a panel discussion next week in Washington called The Elephant In the Room: Immigration’s Impact on Health Care Reform. Steven Camarota of the center writes on the group’s web site that “one out of three people in the U.S. without health insurance is an immigrant (legal or illegal) or the U.S.-born child (under 18) of an immigrant,” and claims that immigrants and their children “account for one-fourth of those on Medicaid.” Yet “the enormous impact of immigration, both legal and illegal, on the health care system has generally not been acknowledged in the current debate.”

Immigrants’ advocates vehemently dispute the CIS statistics, and argue that immigrants — particularly illegal immigrants — are actually far less likely to use even emergency health services than American-born U.S. citizens are.

“We’re really concerned about what the anti-immigration community is doing to try and stop health care reform from moving forward,” said Jennifer Ng’andu, Deputy Director of the Health Policy Project at the National Council of La Raza. “We see it as those communities trying to stir the pot and create controversy. These are not folks who come to the table with solutions. They’re not looking to talk about a health care reform plan. They just assume that by creating anxiety about immigrants, that they’ll stop this debate.”

The protests have put lawmakers on the defensive. At town hall meetings focused on the health care debate, they’ve repeatedly been questioned about whether they support providing health care for illegal immigrants. Pelosi, Specter and Obama have all emphasized that illegal immigrants would not be covered under the current health care proposals.

The issue has gotten so heated that even the Congressional Hispanic Caucus issued a statement supporting health coverage only for “legal, law abiding” immigrants who pay their “fair share” for health care.

Under federal law, illegal immigrants are entitled to receive only emergency health care, although some states offer assistance to uninsured children. But conservative groups such as CIS and the Heritage Foundation complain that even emergency care for illegal immigrants is a big problem.

Immigrants’ advocates deny that that immigrants, legal or illegal, are driving up the costs of the health care system or disproportionately relying on government health services. And they point to a stack of studies showing that, on the contrary, immigrants actually use fewer health services than do American-born citizens.

A July 2009 article in the American Journal of Public Health, for example, found that insured immigrants had much lower medical expenses than insured U.S.-born citizens. And while recent immigrants constituted 5 percent of the nonelderly adult population, they were responsible for only 2 percent of adults’ total health care costs.

Meanwhile, a study by the non-partisan Kaiser Commission found that although noncitizens receive less primary health care than citizens, they are far less likely to use the emergency room.

The current House health care bill would not provide insurance coverage for illegal immigrants, and severely restricts coverage even for legal United States immigrants. Immigrant adults have to wait five years before becoming eligible for Medicaid or federal Children’s Health Insurance Plan benefits, for example. (CHIP covers pregnant women in addition to children.) That concerns both immigration and public health advocates.

“Legal immigrants might not achieve equitable access to health coverage in this health care reform bill, but they will be subject to the same requirements to purchase insurance,” said Ng’ara. “They pay the same taxes and will have to share in the responsibility of fixing our health care system, but they may be subject to waiting periods or restrictions before they qualify for many of the benefits.”

Michele Waslin, Senior Policy Analyst at the Immigration Policy Center, made the point in a recent blog post that including immigrants in any health insurance plan would actually help reduce the costs for everyone else. “An important function of health insurance is to pool risks and use premiums collected from the healthy to pay for the medical care of those who need it,” says Waslin. “It is common sense that the more people who pay into the health care system, the more the risk—and thus the costs—are spread out over the entire population.”

What’s more, she argues, public health improves the more people receive regular health care, including preventive services. “It’s also very expensive when people do not receive regular health care and wait until they are very sick to receive care,” she said.

The Center for Science in the Public Interest has concluded that “Comprehensive prevention programs are the most economical way to maximize health and minimize costs.”

The economics of health care may not be what’s actually motivating the controversy, however. The move to bar even legal immigrants from receiving any support to purchase health insurance is consistent with a broader rise in anti-immigrant sentiment that experts who track hate groups are noticing.

A new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center released this week, for example, noted a dramatic rise over the past decade of right-wing militia movements. The group attributes the phenomenon in part to “high levels of non-white immigration and a decline in the percentage of whites overall in America,” which has made race a much larger focus of its anti-government “Patriot movement.” The result, says the law center, has been that even “ostensibly mainstream politicians and media pundits have helped to spread Patriot and related propaganda, from conspiracy theories about a secret network of U.S. concentration camps to wholly unsubstantiated claims about the president’s country of birth.”

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121 Comments

Doc3
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 5:54 am

Why should we have to argue about the cost of illegals. If our government would enforce our laws there would be no speculation because they would not be here. So let's start from that basis. Finish the border fence (the real one not the watered down version being erected now), enforce E-Verify, support and pass HR 1868 to end the so called Anchor Baby route to citizenship. And yes there are billions in costs passed on to taxpayers due to illegals.

Then let's turn our attention to the massive fraud in Medicare that is run by the government and see if we can put a tourniquet on that. How about the government fixes Medicare fraud first and then gets back to us on any other health care reform.

This is a really poorly written article intended to promote illegal immigrants and vilify those nasty people that do not want them in our Country.

Shame on the Republicans for exploiting them for low wages and passing the cost of health care and welfare entitlements on to the taxpayers. Shame on the Democrats for looking for more voters. Both parties have seriously let down the people that count, the American Citizen.

So do you have an estimate about how the cost of the proposed health care will be increased if Obama is successful in his attempt to provide a route to citizenship to all illegal aliens?


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DelawareBob
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 11:32 am

“Send them back with a bullet in their head.” We DON'T need this, but we do need for the illegal aliens to get out of this Country!

Illegal aliens have made America the dumping ground for all their illegal alien children, then we have to school them and give them free medical care.

I for one, am sick and tired of these ILLEGAL ALIENS snubbing their nose at our immigration laws and the many other laws of this Country. If our Federal Government can not ENFORCE our immigration laws, and get these ILLEGAL ALIENS out of this Country, then let the States do it! One way or another, an end has to come to this illegal immigration, and not with AMNESTY! Amnesty will only encourage more ILLEGAL ALIENS to invade our Country and reward those who broke our laws and raped the American taxpayer in many ways…depressing our wages, taking our jobs, overwhelming our schools with their ILLEGAL ALIEN children, driving without a license or car insurance, all the crime from stolen identities to rape, drugs and everything else.

It's time for ZERO TOLERENCE with these ILLEGAL ALIENS. It's time for them get out of this Country and back in their own Country where they belong. When we get rid of the ILLEGAL ALIENS, we will get rid of all the problems that go with them. THAT IS A FACT!


stevo1
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 11:51 am

Folks, we as Americans should know that you CANNOT pick and choose which laws you want to follow and which laws you do NOT want to follow. The Non-representing representatives of ours are following marching orders from god knows who. but its not us, and its not the Law! We Americans need to STAND UP NOW and tell them enough is enough! FOLLOW the LAW! kick out every illegal and their children, send them back to Mexico or wherever it is they are from! they are abusing us in the most callous ways, and you can bet LARAZA is behind a majority of this! healthcare? say NO to covering illegals out of our pockets! we have done this far to long! and are now facing the consequences! Our schools are overcrowded with them! they get free foodstamps! free medical! free places to live! why would they NOT want these things?? it is TIME for them to GO HOME! Let mexico deal with its own, or they can go their and change thier own country! As an American Citizen iam TIRED of footing the bill here! where in the CONSTITUTION does it say that this is right??? what did our forefathers fight and die for?? this SNAFU? tell your Non-representing -representatives that it is time to FOLLOW THE LAW! every last one of them that set foot across our border BROKE THE LAW! they need to be apprehended, deported, and if they come back, build a prison in MEXICO and let them take care of their own!


stevo1
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 11:52 am

Moving to Mexico
Dear Mr. President, Senate and House of Representatives:

I'm planning to move my family and extended family (18-20 mouths) into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

We're planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico , and we'll need your help to make a few arrangements.

We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here.

So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

3. All Mexico government forms need to also be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.

9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico, but, I don't plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won't make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put U S. flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say a critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who come to the U.S. from Mexico .
I am sure that President Calderon won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Thank you so much for your kind help,

Sincerely, US Citizen & Taxpayer


stevo1
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 11:59 am

Daphne Eviatar what do you not see here? That people breaking the LAW are being used as a political wedge? Do you belong to Laraza? why do you call “Numbers USA” a restrictionist group? all they want is for the LAW to be Followed! ya gotta love this!


stevo1
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 12:54 pm

nicely written Doc3! you have stated the problems in an eloquent way! well done!


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Estoban
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

Southern Poverty Law Center has NO credibility with their recent attempts to deny freedom of speech to people and groups that they disagree with. They are spending big bucks to attempt to coerce sponsors of Beck and others. This is unAmerican.
Dozens of Emergency rooms and hospitals across the southwest have closed because of unpaid bills by illegal aliens driving them out of business.


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sakibaba
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

Dear stevo1
NumbersUSA is a restrictionist group. It is one thing to oppose illegal immigration and another to fix the legal immigration system which will benefit all US citizens and legal immigrants.
They oppose any form of immigration legal or illegal. Read their website and you will see the lies propagated in the name of so called independant studies.
Groups like numbersUSA, Programmers(aka Loser's) Guild, CIS, heritage foundation on the right and CHC(congressional hispanic caucus) on the left are holding the entire immigration system hostage and won't let any meaningful reform happen. Right wing groups want no immigration and left wants everybody in and wont let the congress fix “legal” immigration system until there is some amnesty provision.
If you really support the law then support “legal” immigration reform and no to amnesty.
regards
“Legal” Immigrant


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

you are a idiot


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

Where were you when Ronnie Raygun the patron saint of all that mushbrained gave amnisty to all those illegal aliens?? Who cut and ran from lebonon, and raised taxes??? You clowns are pathetic


Estoban
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

How almost eloquent!


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Tom
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

This Daphne Eviatar probably works for La Raza. Trying to confuse the problem of “ILLEGAL” aliens to immigrant. Don't you get it? “ILLEGAL aliens” are NOT immigrants. They are Mexicans. You don't even have enough money to cover all your own people why you are so worried about the life of the Mexicans??? It is easy to say if the money does not come out of your pocket. Do you pay enough tax Daphne? It does not make sense to run U.S.A into a poor house just so Mexicans can get a better life…what about all the other 6 billion people in the world? They need a better life too. Why don't you let in all other 6B people so they can get a “better” life? I assure you when you do, you will be one of them who needs to see a “better” life…


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Daphne Eviatar – who at one time did straight news reporting – has gone full-on hack with this. She's misleading you because she's not telling you that Obama has a magical plan to give UHC to illegal aliens: put them on the 'path to citizenship' first, then give them UHC. Why didn't Eviatar tell you that?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

WHERE IS YOUR GREENCARD WETBACK MORON?? NO Crediblity?? Your grade school edumcation has no crediblity asshole


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Daphne Eviatar – who at one time did straight news reporting – has gone full-on hack with this. She's misleading you because she's not telling you that Obama has a magical plan to give UHC to illegal aliens: put them on the 'path to citizenship' first, then give them UHC. Why didn't Eviatar tell you that?

[Note: I left this comment a couple hours ago, but for some reason it disappeared. Let's try again.]


MaryJay
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Another sad pro-illegal alien screed from Daphne Eviatar. What part of “we can't afford to pay for free medical care for all of Mexico” do you not understand, Daphne? Universal health care would just create another magnet for them, just as the “free” education granted by Plyler vs. Doe drew massive numbers of them over the border in the late 80s.


Estoban
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Sorry, potty mouth. The Constitution trumps SPLC's diatribe!


Bettybb
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

It is anti illegal immigration foes.. not anti immigration.

Americans are agains illegal immigration and do not agree with the “elite” and special interests that illegal aliens (almost all of whom are Hispanic per the reports) should be above the law.

Americans are for LEGAL immigrants.


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tropicgirl
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

The more that comes to light about Obamas “ideas” of health “insurance reform” the bat-crap crazier it sounds.

He makes a big deal out of the saying we cant have a single payer because that would be so incredibly different, and such a massive change, that it would disrupt everything (paraphrase).

But in reality, what he has proposed (from what we can decipher from the vagueness and secrecy) HE IS FUNNELING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF TAX DOLLARS (trillions?) INTO THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY WITH A COMPLICATED MESS OF INCENTIVES, PAYOFFS, RIDICULOUS RULES, MANDATES, TAX INCREASES. This is not health care reform. Just like he did with the banks, and certain corporations of his choice. This is another complicated bailout, this time of insurance and pharma, with tax dollars.

In contrast, WE HAVE MEDICARE, MEDICAID, AND THE V.A., THAT WORK. They are already set up and DO NOT CONSTITUTE A RIDICULOUS BAILOUT/INFUSION OF TAX DOLLARS INTO PRIVATE INDUSTRY. Obama continues to lie about this. It is NOT a change, IT IS EXPANSION OF THE SAME, THAT WORKS.

Tax dollars into private corporations again? Trillions? To reform them? Give me a break. The whole world must be looking at us with their mouths open. Reform them with legislation, NOT TAX DOLLARS.

This is just another insurance scam with tax dollars and mandates. It is already a complete mess and will get messier and more confusing.


janicekarzaki
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

What really concerns me is the issue of health care for illegal aliens. I know both the House and Senate have stated that illegal aliens will not be included. However let me outline for you a situation that needs correction or illegal aliens will continue to receive expensive health care at taxpayer expense.

The situation is caused by EMTALA(Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act). Currently illegal aliens because of EMTAL are receiving Kidney Transplants, dialysis etc. at US Taxpayer expense.

I direct your attention to this article in the Chicago Tribune on the subject : http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-im… One of the stories cited is that of Liliana Cruz, 16 After she received a diagnosis of kidney failure in the Mexican state of Michoacan, her family came to the U.S. illegally in 2005 to seek help in getting a transplant after Mexican doctors said family members would have to pay cash in their own country. She is attempting to get this transplant at the expense of US taxpayers.

My question to you how do we stop this sort of drain on the US Taxpayer caused by EMTALA? Shouldn’t we allow hospitals to obtain a patient’s legal status and home country? Shouldn’t we be asking the home country to pay for this treatment and not the US Taxpayer? Should we honestly consider returning them to their home country after they our stabilized? Yes some will die, but is that really our problem? The US is broke and the US taxpayer cannot be asked to subsidize the treatments of people from the Third World who are not legally entitled to be in this country.

This has to be part of the health care reform debate as just saying illegal aliens will not get health care under the legislation will not end the abuses created by EMTALA.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

During the 2008 election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was ‘governed’ by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell me, and the American people, how a person governed – at birth – by British law, can be a natural born citizen of the United States and thus constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States?”


realameraican
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 12:22 am

Even if legal, they live tax free, why should America pay for them? I was born here and get nothing free


jg52368
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

I think we should listen to the angry white americans who oppose immigration of any form. They know better than anyone the destruction, violence, and ignorance brought here by immigrants. Hell their ancestors were the original disease ridden, violent scum that they claim threatens us now. Expcept when they did it they practically exterminated the actual natives and the only true Americans to ever exist. Read a few history books and you'll find that Americans only follow the law when it benefits them and if it doesn't then they rewirte it.


MaryJay
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

jg52368 8 hours ago
I think we should listen to the angry white americans who oppose immigration of any form. They know better than anyone the destruction, violence, and ignorance brought here by immigrants
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It's funny how so many Third Worlders from around the world are anxious to push their way into a country that was built by people who allegedly brought nothing but “destruction, violence and ignorance” and who were “disease-ridden, violent scum.” Who would want to immigrate to a country like that in the first place?

Please, your tone is just hilarious. You say the white man brought nothing good to this country, but you're mad because you think the white man doesn't want you in his country (to which he brought nothing good.) C'mon, admit it. You want all the First World goodies the white man brought to this country, because your own country doesn't have them. Stop being a hypocrite, be a man, and admit it.


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republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

HEY SHIT FOR BRAINS…NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU SAY…..DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE ASSHOLE….STUPID AND ILLEGAL WETBACK


sm
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

I wish my great grandparents had been deported – I would have far superior health care with NO private insurance companies to deal with.


sm
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

I live in NYC. In many urban areas, most restaurants' kitchen staff come from Central America. Many of them live in crowded apartments with multiple other people so they can save money working in conditions most Americans wouldn't dream of (like, $50 dishwashing shifts). Yes, we can apply the argument that restaurants “should be paying a living wage,” but are you willing to pay twice as much for a meal out? I'm thinking of (white) middle Americans traveling to NYC, and shacking up in a bedroom with 3 other grown men (in Bed-Stuy) so they can work such a job. Yeah, I don't think I'll be seeing that any day soon!


Estoban
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

LOL!


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Lee Ferrell
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

“The tree of liberty must bewwatered fr/ time to time w/the blood of politicians and tyrants,” Those who are buying the absurd damaging propaganda spouted by the CNN 'Town Hall Maps' where they are literally instructed to go and create a rectionary scene which the station then uses to distort statements playing them out of context. The true _TYRANTS_ are these red faced “sunshine patriots,” who only know what the MSM tells them is 'true.' Joseph Goebbels said, “Repeat a lie often enough, over and over, and again, and it will become received as truth by most people.”
This statement is the core of the playbook used by these tyrants. I have always loathed guns. But, it is getting so dangerous now to our _demos_ (Greek root for 'democracy') that maybe we should start wearing guns on our sides, just to let them know we won't accept their monotonous lies.
Who will do yard work for the rich McMansions to send money home to destitute familiies? They are unashamed to use them for cheap labor when it suits their egocentric purposes.
Remember Frederick Douglas: “Power has never conceeded a thing w/out a demand. Those who want crops w/out plowing the ground first will achieve nothing.” The real threat to liberty is in the black hearts of screamers engaging in _disorderly conduct_. America has always used the lowest of the low to do its hardest dirty work. Blacks, Irish, Germans, then Italians…, and now, Mexicans. “Immigrants Out First” is a pose to play on the pretense of “news” which is owned lock, stock, and barrel, by the Big Wall St. firms who stand to lose several billions in profit they've already pocketed at the expense of the most vulnerable in our culture. The poor always have to work harder than the rich, everywhere on the planet. Hopefully, their lies can be surmounted just once, in Sept.


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realameraican
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

I'm not sure if its legal or not where you are but here its illegal to rent lets say a 2 bedroom apartment and have 5 or more people living there. You might get away with 4 and two of them being your kids, so once again they are breaking laws and getting away with it. Also the wages, if the Americans wouldn't have to pay for there health insurance and everything else, a dollar might go a little father. I have no problem people coming to this country if its done right and legal, pay taxes live by our laws and yes speak English, I know there is no official language in the USA but that can be changed quickly.


Judy Gallagher
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

A neighbor has proclaimed repeatedly that illegal immigrants are afforded health care and were told by Congressman Geoff Davis that all they had to do when asked if they are illegal and they say no they can get health care. I strongly disagree and would like some data to prove this is not correct. I feel that illegal immigrants would never ask for any service because they may have to show ID and they would rather run than take a chance they might be stopped.
Thanks for any advice.


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beholder
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

It is ironic that a group of people, who up till now couldn't care less whether a retiree could pay for health care or not, all of a sudden takes an interest in US health care due to undocumented immigration.


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No, not a current speech. This ia afragment of the “Bustamante Decree”(*) detailing the perils of immigration (legal and illegal) of Americans crossing the Sabine River into Mexico, specially after the Panic of 1819.

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The Divine Providence out us as good neeighbours, lets do unto others what we want to be done unto us.

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Didn't you mean to say “Illegal Immigrants”? Conservatives are IN FAVOR OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION and AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Gee, why is it that you neo-lib, wackjobs always forget to state the FACTS? Lying by OMISSION is a CRIME!


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Illegal immigrants is an oxymoron made up by progressive liberals to try and provide cover for illegal aliens that have invaded our Nation. It is actual treasonous on the part of our government to not protect its citizens of this Nation by enforcing the laws to stem the flow of illegals. We tried the amnesty route in the 1980's with millions granted amnesty. Here we are again with no effective action to stem the flow of illegal aliens.

Pass HR 1868 to end the Anchor Baby route to citizenship. This law would require at the time of birth to be a US citizen to pass citizenship to the baby. Seal our borders. Empty our prisons of illegals.

If you want to see a old school immigration program that worked:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop….

The estimated cost of illegals to taxpayers in California is estimated to be 12 to 20 Billion a year. California is bankrupt. Again, why should we be having this debate? The government needs to secure our borders, empty the Nation of illegals and establish an agency that can issue the required number of work visas. Stop allowing this massive invasion of our Nation and passing the indirect cost to the taxpayer.

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