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And Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Sen. Jim DeMint, Rep. Michelle Bachmann, Pat Buchanan, G. Gordon Liddy, and on and on and on.

I suppose they are all LaRouche followers now.

Well, the party formerly of Grover Cleveland, the “solid gold” Bourbon Democrat who rescued America from the Silver Panic precipitated largely by the Republican-dominated 51st Congress (whose protectionist, inflationary, and pork-barreling enactments drained the U.S. Treasury, debauched the currency, and reduced federal government instruments of debt to “junk bond” status in world financial markets) ceased being advocates of fiscal responsibility, respect for the common citizen, and government within the lawful boundaries of the Constitution sometime in 1912, when the “populists” and the “progressives” took over.

By 1936, they hard completely co-opted the platform of the American Socialist Party.

So they're definitely a national party, right?

And they're definitely a socialist party, also. Not so?

So now we should call them the National Socialist Party, or “Nazi” for short.

Makes sense.

Let me see here… By 1936 the Democratic Party was effectively the “National Socialist Party” in your book. But by 1945 the country, led by the very president who was most responsible for the Democratic Party's policies during the 1930s led the United States to its greatest victory against… the National Socialists of Germany. Okay…

Yep. The entire 20th Century has been called “the great socialist slaughter,” given that almost all of the great mass murders (with the exception of the butcheries of the Serbs [by imperial Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria principally, 1915-1918, amounting to 27% of the Serb population], the Armenians [by the Turks, 1915-1917], the Chinese civilian populace [by the Japanese, 1937-1945], the Hutu [by the Tutsi in Burundi, 1972], the Tutsi [by the Hutu in Rwanda, 1993], and similar usual-and-customary military and non-military adventurings by kingdoms, sultanates, tribes, and suchlike) were perpetrated by socialists preying upon non-socialist victims and upon each other.

The great wars of the 1930s and 1940s which we Americans subsume under “World War II” were overwhelmingly the result of the two most thoroughly socialist nations of all time – the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics against the National Socialist German Workers' Party – going at it hammer and tongs (or swastika and sickle) – with systematic murder, raping, looting, and destruction of infrastructure for reasons other than military advantage.

To this great struggle of socialist thugs was added the efforts of fascist Italy (socialist), falangist Spain (socialist), Roosevelt's New Deal administration (“progressive;” same thing), Great Britain (monarchist/imperaialist/mercantilist, going socialist), France (most of the FFI and “the Resistance” were Communist, and routinely betrayed their non-Communist co-belligerents to the Gestapo to weed them out in advance of a planned takeover of the nation following the defeat of the Nazis), the Chinese Communists (setting up for their postwar conquest of the Middle Kingdom), etcetera.

Then there's the socialist efforts at military conquest in Korea, the socialist empire of the USSR in Eastern Europe, the Cambodian “Killing Fields” of the socialist Khmer Rouge, etc.

Look into R.J. Rummel's Death by Government (1987) for a pre-Rwanda look at the “democide” phenomena of the 20th Century in particular.

The socialists of the 20th Century had done a spectacular job, eclipsing by sheer volume (and occasionally by percentage of populations slaughtered) every cataclysm of butchery in human history except possibly the Mongols' invasion and destruction of the Khwarezmid Empire (1219-1221).

Good for you, Obamaphiles! You're part of a proud tradition. Not only theft and pillage and rape and counterfeiting (“The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.”) but “democide.”

Death by government.

It's a pity you guys seem never able to “just get along” with each other.

Oh, well.

Look at the facts. The federal gov't IS going to create a youth organization similar to that of Hitler's Youth. Mandatory “volunteer” service?

There are also more than of us opposing wasteful government spending than the biased media outlets think. Government thinks

This is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. This is an issue that both parties are ignoring the restraints set by the Constitution for the federal government reach of power.

Hey journalists! Do your job you trained for and present the facts, and not the biased propaganda coming from the White House. There is a reason we are angry with the direction of government. Why not report on that?

There's also Barry Soetoro's “Fink Out Your Neighbors by Email” initiative on his Obamacare initiative. It can certainly be seen that our third-generation “red diaper baby” socialist Fraudulence-in-Chief is taking plenty of his policy tools out of the operating manuals of the Hitler-Jugend and the Vsesoyuznaya pionerskaya organizatsiya imeni V. I. Lenina.

(( “Turn in your mommy and your daddy, kids, and be sure to remember your Little Socialist Stool Pigeon number! Winners will be drawn at random for an all-expenses-paid trip to Mordor – er, Washington City – to meet with the Dark Lord himself!” ))

What exactly was socialist about America's involvement in World War II? Should we have done nothing after Pearl Harbor? Would our involvement in World War II have had a different meaning if we didn't have Social Security, the WPA, or the AAA? Sounds like a lot of drivel to me.

Let's see some facts. Point to one single, specific, volunteer organization where participation is or will be mandatory, and we'll see if your claims hold up.

Your hysteria is weird, but certainly entertaining. I see absolutely nothing wrong with an administration that wants to learn about the kooky arguments being raise against health care. It's exactly the same as when your credit card company or PayPal asks you to pass along any bogus email messages of offers that you come across so they can learn about what is being done in their name.

But this is typical of the unthinking, paranoid, delusional hysteria gripping people these days.

A provision in the House bill that pays for the advanced health care consultations done at the voluntary election of the individual becomes “mandatory” counseling.

A provision which defines what type of insurance policy qualifies for participation in the insurance exchange turns into some sort of law mandating such policies and prohibiting private policies.

A White House efforts to learn about some of the health care lies being spread on emails becomes some nefarious plot to create an “enemies list.”

I have to admit, such hysteria is creative and amusing to say the least. Way out there for sure, but amusing and a never-ending source of entertainment.

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Paulbots all have a severely distorted view of history, an absurd view of political thought in which everything except their whacked out version of libertarianism is socialism (and that does mean everything), and nothing but infeasible proposals meant to deal with problems long ago resolved.

First, I was speaking of America as a governed by socialists, with socialist domestic policies in force, by the time it was brought into World War II through the machinations of the Roosevelt Administration.

By 1936, some leaders of the Socialist Party of America (such as David Dubinsky) called for socialists to vote for the Democratic Party in support of Roosevelt's wonderfully socialist New Deal. In that election year, though Norman Thomas ran for president (at least he had a birth certificate), the Socialist Party vote dropped to 185,000, less than 20% of what they'd gotten in 1932.

A socialist recognizes another socialist when he sees one.

Second – if you like – Roosevelt schemed to get into World War II, virtually compelling Japan to fire the opening round in the Pacific (though my personal conclusion on the facts I have been able to ascertain – per examination of War Plan Orange and other contemporary writings; look up the name of Hector. C. Bywater – he wasn't anticipating a carrier strike on the forward-based Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. The Philippines? Definitely. Strategically as well as tactically, the Philippines had to be taken and held by the Empire of Japan in order to secure access to the raw materials (especially petrochemicals) they needed to maintain an industrial economy.

Their attack on the Philippines would give Roosevelt the casus belli he was hoping for – and planning for. Note, please that the Essex class aircraft carriers and the first of the fast battleships – the North Carolina and South Dakota classes – were already a-building, some nearing commission, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

And the larger battleships – the Iowa and the Montana classes, designed specifically to blow away the Yamato and the Musashi in classic black-shoe navy gun battles, per War Plan Orange and War Plan Rainbow – were either laid down (in the case of the Iowa boats) or well along in their planning.

None of these preparations could be hidden, and no attempts were made, really, to hide them. Jeez, there were write-ups on these capital fleet units in magazines like Popular Science and Popular Mechanics. “Open source” intelligence. The Japanese knew that Roosevelt was building a big, “blue water” navy to cross the Pacific and destroy them. No other purpose for those Essex carriers and all those big, fast battleships.

In the Atlantic… John, do you comprehend the expression “act of war”? In providing not only war materiel to Great Britain but also conveying it in U.S. merchant bottoms with U.S. Navy warships and aircraft providing escort cover against German U-boat attacks and engaging them on the high seas, Roosevelt had long since brought these United States into a not-so-covert state of war with the Third Reich – without any request to the Congress for a declaration of war – long before Hitler declared war upon us (the flaming idiot) on December 8, 1941.

So it was the socialist New Deal versus the socialist NSDAP. Look deeply enough and you'll even find much the same government financial shenanigans in both countries. Why d'you think that Hitler had to start the war in 1939 instead of waiting (as his admirals especially wanted) until 1944?

The Third Reich's financial house of cards was coming down. Only by conquering and looting Poland – and later France, in a big, big “bankster” way – could Hitler and his cronies keep up the fraud of Nazi “prosperity.”

Our “involvement in World War II” would've had a different meaning – might not even have happened – if it hadn't been for the “progressive” (read “socialist”) Democratic Party of Woodrow Wilson and his slimy successor, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Don't fall back on the history (or “social studies”) you were force-fed in the government educationalist gulags, John. Original sources are out there, and there's hellacious good reason for revisionist looks at the icons of “heroic government” your teachers worked so hard to shove down your throat.

Whatever your criticisms of the New Deal, it was undoubtedly popular. Roosevelt utterly obliterated Alf Landon at the polls in 1936, leading to the famous quip, “as goes Maine, so goes Vermont,” describing the two states that went Republican.

We've all heard the conspiracy stories about how Roosevelt wanted America to get into the war, and they're a lot of hooey, IMHO. But, for the sake of argument, let's pretend that's what happened. You talk a lot about Roosevelt's supposed strategy for getting into World War II, but you leave a giant question mark as to the utimate purpose of that strategy. Was it so that the United States could impose a socialist regime in Europe? Is that really what our fighting men died for in Iwo Jima and the sands of Omaha Beach? I kinda doubt it.

Our “involvement in World War II” would've had a different meaning – might not even have happened – if it hadn't been for the “progressive” (read “socialist”) Democratic Party of Woodrow Wilson and his slimy successor, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Actually, World War II was most likely the result of two of Wilson's biggest failures: (1) the failure to restrain the French in drafting the Treaty of Versailles, and (2) the failure to construct a strong and legitimate League of Nations.

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The definition of socialism is simply the ownership of the means of production by the people whose labor produces. That's it. It isn't a system of government.

Your entire argument is predicated on a false axiom. You take it as assumed that socialism is in itself a specific style of governance. Since that assumption is inherently false, your argument fails.

Every government in the western world currently (and for quite some time now) engages in some form or another of socialist policies. The mail system, transportation infrastructure, the military, social security, police forces, electricity infrastructure, etc, all are direct expressions of socialist policies. There is nothing inherently bad with government involvement in the economy, so long as government can be held accountable.

Your absurd anger, factually unwarranted though it may be, is an expression of your desire to hold government accountable. There are millions more like yourself. Do you honestly believe that Obama is going to suspend elections and start killing people because he wants to raise the top marginal tax rate to a level lower than it was for most of 20th century, the most prosperous century in our nation's history? Do you really think an attempt to reign in the cost of health care through legislation enacted by lawfully elected representatives represents the disollution of democracy? It is an expression of democracy.

We are the only industrialized country in the entire world that does not guarantee access to basic health care to it's citizens. We are also the wealthiest country in the entire world, by a wide margin. Is Japan a socialist hell? Are Germany, England, France, Canada, all hellish communist distopias?

Sir, you are deluded by giving too much credence to the rantings of insane men. I suggest you get your history from historians, and your news from a wider variety of sources. You are being misled.