Grassley: Government Plan Threatens to ‘Pull the Plug on Grandma’

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Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 12:56 pm

Jason Hancock of The Iowa Independent, TWI’s sister site, is traveling through the state today with Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), whose position as the senior Republican on the Senate Finance Committee makes him one of Congress’s most influential voices on this year’s contentious debate over health care reform.

Grassley is known as both a straight-shooter and a guy not prone to muck around in the swamps of petty politics. Which makes his statement today about the Democrats’ plans for health reform that much more remarkable.

“In the House bill, there is counseling for end of life,” Grassley said. “You have every right to fear. You shouldn’t have counseling at the end of life, you should have done that 20 years before. Should not have a government run plan to decide when to pull the plug on grandma.”

Of course the House bill doesn’t have any such thing. Rather, it would provide government help for people who choose, on their own accord, to seek counseling about late-in-life services like hospice care.

The AARP has launched a campaign to debunk such myths, which have spread like wildfire across the town halls of the country in recent days. The group says the claim that the government will be in charge of these decisions is patently false: “Any decidsions regarding your health will continue to be made by you, your doctor and your family — not by the government.”

But don’t take it from AARP. Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), sponsor of legislation providing for Medicare coverage of option late-life services — legislation similar to the Democrats’ proposal — told The Washington Post this week that the idea that his proposal would somehow encourage government-sponsored euthanasia is “nuts.”

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Grassley: Government Plan Threatens to ‘Pull the Plug on Grandma’
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Hans
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

Charles Lane, the liberal Washington Post columnist, agrees with Grassley that the provision is worrisome, not entirely voluntary for those subjected to such counseling, and a form of “undue influence” on the elderly. See his August 8, 2009 op-ed.


artmcdonald
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

The republican politicians are lying sacks of manure, they can't get their own way and are trying to scare everybody they can. It may take people getting hurt to gat them to reverse. It is really pathetic how low they are stooping.


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flasherz
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Kudos to the press for derailing the real point about “pulling the plug on grandma”.

The “death panels” are NOT about the hospice care provisions, the “death panels” are the government organizations who determine what must be covered in a “qualified plan”. There has not been a single government-operated healthcare system in the world that didn't lead to health-care rationing. This “health care standards board” will determine what care will be provided and what will not — rationing WILL happen under this system, and it means seniors will be told “your doses of Zofran aren't approved because the drug is expensive and you already have diabetes”, in effect saying “you're not worth it”.

Why are the politicians trying so hard to ram something through at lightning speed when they can't even explain it simply?


Pepper Hanrahan
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Finally the media/press is stepping up to the plate and exposing what is happening in the health care debate. When so many papers are dying it is a breath of fresh air to see real investigation and reporting vs spin the news.


arlingtonsam
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Flasherz,

Pull your head out of where the sun don't shine.

Would your rather have your private health care insurer do the rationing — which they are doing right now, to the point of cancelling your insurance when you get sick? Then, after that, when you find that no other insurer is willing pick you up?

You obviously have no experience in the real world, and are willing to let the right wing bashers — who are motived entirely by their need to hold onto their self-serving power — lead you down the primrose path.

Pull it out, look around, smell the roses.


Steve in AZ
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

“Of course the House bill doesn’t have any such thing. Rather, it would provide government help for people who choose, on their own accord, to seek counseling about late-in-life services like hospice care.” — so the President would have us believe. “On their own accord”, indeed. If not on their own accord, well, then the Prez will send in the SEIU thugs to “convince” grandma that it's a good time to die.

The problem for the political Left is: increasingly, fewer and fewer people believe Obama. Why should they? He was caught on tape calling for a “single payer” (government, Soviet style, long lines, forget the elderly and hadicapped) healthcare system. Now he denies it and sends in the punch-throwing goons. Beat the crap out of grandma and grandpa, until they agree with you, or at least shut up, stay home, don't vote and…………..die. The buffoon President we have is discovering that Americans HATE Saul Alinsky and they're starting to hate his disciples!

Here's advise for SEIU goons: Never start a fight with an old man. If he's too weak to fight you, he may just kill you! Sooner, or later, some thug is going to start roughing-up an old man and he's gunna get shot by the old guy. Oh, didn't you know? Concealed carry classes are packed with old folks getting their concealed carry permit. Boo, hoo……….dead thug.


bostondreams
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

Flasherz, are you suggesting that that is not happening already? If so, then you know nothing about the health insurance industry. They already make such decisions, based on cost to the insurer and expectations of profit and loss.


bostondreams
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

Steve,

Grow up. This myth that single payer abandons the old and elderly is just stupid. It works adequately in England; stop reading Investor's Business Daily, who cannot even get that right. And why do right wingers always think they are the only ones with guns?


JS
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

In the real world, there is rationing today:

(1) rationing by HMOs, and
(2) rationing by wealth.

Those who can afford to get health insurance get some, but often not “gold plated” coverage, while the 46.6 million uninsured get sub-par coverage and are often allowed to die. Indeed, while hospitals are required to provide emergency room service to the uninsured, they get sub-par service. And we, the taxpayers, pay that bill.

The reality is that if you want a plan that will spend $10 million to save grandma for a few years, you can still buy it. Good luck with the premiums.

If you want cheap insurance that is willing to spend $10 million to save grandma for a few years, then everyone who has that insurance will have their rates GO UP.

In reality, there is no way to get something for nothing. If you have $10 million to spend on Grandma, go for it. I would if I had the money. If you don't want to spend your money or buy the gold plated insurance, then, in reality, we all have to think smartly about rationing. Once we are in the debate about rationing, then we have to draw the line somewhere.


Steve in AZ
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

For the dip$hits who think that a Government-run system will be no worse than private insurance I submit this one example:

I have Healthnet (an HMO). My son needed speech therapy. They covered it and he started it in less than two weeks. His speech therapy lasted about 1 1/2 years. Now, he's doing great. In Canada, it takes a 1 year wait in the “que”, before you can even start therapy. YES, I checked that out.

Are private insurance companies perfect? No, but they beat the crap out of any government coverage. Does everyone have coverage? No. Do we need to help them? Sure, but that does not mean that we should destroy the insurance plans that people are happy with. Well, unless, of course, it's about glorifying and empowering Obama, instead of making sure everyone is covered. Oh, wait. That IS what it's all about!

Think about this: when Fidel Castro needed help, Cuba flew in doctors from all over the globe. Would they do that for an average old man in Havana? Hell no! The Ted Kenedys and Barrack Obamas will get top notch care, while the government tells the rest of us that grandma just isn't worth covering (budget deficit, don't-cha know?).


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

Please tell me you are getting paid to repeat blatant falsehoods. There are no “death panels” in the legislation. There is rationing under the for profit system we have now. If you are not an out and out shill, you are being misinformed.


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

You should write fiction. Oh wait, you didn't come up with this. Carry on.


Steve in AZ
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

You're from Boston. Only cops and criminals and SEIU have guns there. Then again, not everywhere is Boston. Send the thugs to Arizona to try to beat the old folks to death. The'll have so many lead slugs in them before they fall that the dead thug's corpse will be a HAZMAT lead abatement containment issue.


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

What exactly does “YES, I checked that out,” entail? Because the rest of the post sounds like you are pulling it out of your or Rush's…


arlingtonsam
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

Steve in AZ,

Your utterances are a waste of broadband.

Plain out-and-out STUPID.

Obama has mentioned frequently his preference for a single-payer system, but that it would be too disruptive to the present private insurance system — meaning that he does not want you to have to give up spending megabucks for your private insurer, if you chose. Hopefully you have the bucks to do so, as you will see in a few years that you are going to need plenty of that cash — then hope they won't drop you when you get sick.

Get real.

Sam


2son
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

flasherz..
you have reached the same conclusion as I did…after reading and re-reading Section 1233, trying to figure out the “death panel” thing. First of all Setion 1233 doesn't even need to be in the Bill. But since it is…then the “voluntary consultations” with your doctor to discuss benefits and treatments, etc….will be guided by the provisions in the Plan which are established by the Health Benefits Adisory Committee described in earlier sections. If that committee establishes certain benefits or treatments related to end-of- life situations, then tha tis what you get as part of the Plan. I think that's where the Death Panel reference comes from.
My concern with the whole Healthcare “reform” issue is that Congress was given the job of solving it….As a retired career fed employee, I know that Politicians and Bureaucrats are the worst kind of people to be drafting “reform” for something as important as HealthCare! So what they have so far is extremely confusing, way too complex and I believe NO ONE knows what is in the Bill. So all the shouting back & forth between people who think they know what the Bill says…is useless. The Bill is simply a big bowl of jello and rather than “reforming” anything, it has made a complicated issue even more complicated. Get it out of the hands of Congress and do not allow another Govt managed “program” to be created that will surely end up like Social Security, Medicare/Caide, US Post Office, IRS, etc….all of them are broke. Congress has stolen from the Soc Sec fund for years to fund other things.
The real culprit however, is that person you see in the mirror each morning..nothing's more powerful than the Vote. So any Congressperson who votes for this goofy Bill will not get my vote next time.


Steve in AZ
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Keep telling yourself that Obama and the reporters who perform “journalistic felatio” on the Prez on a daily basis are convincing the public to believe them. Click your heels together and say, “there's no place like home. There's no place like home……….”


arlingtonsam
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

To 2son. . .

Glad that your being in government is past tense. If we could get more of you Republican stoneheads out of the system maybe we could get somewhere.

Sam


Steve in AZ
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

Canadian healthcare system websites for starters. My wife and in-laws are Canadians and they checked up there for us. In fact, my wife is a RN and she moved to the US to get a job. They're closing Canadian hospitals as a cost-cutting measure. Oh, didn't you know that. Stop sucking your “facts” out of Obama's a$$.


Steve in AZ
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

“Your utterances are a waste of broadband.”

Which explains why you responded.

“Obama has mentioned frequently his preference for a single-payer system, but that it would be too disruptive to the present private insurance system — meaning that he does not want you to have to give up spending megabucks for your private insurer, if you chose. Hopefully you have the bucks to do so, as you will see in a few years that you are going to need plenty of that cash — then hope they won't drop you when you get sick.”

He also mentioned that a gradual erosion of private health insurance is the way to get a gov't system. The Prez.: “Oh crap! Is someone videotaping this?!!”

“Get real”

Translation: “Damn! You got me! I can't argue the points on my own! Someone call the White House and get me talking points!”


2son
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

I'm not a Republican Sammy…but you are correct about stoneheads in the System…if you could get all of them out, then we could get somewhere…that's exactly why you don't want Govt in your life…so, see…we agree ! and not only that but I am also glad my Govt employment is past tense:)


arlingtonsam
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

Hope you have a lot of money for insurance, Steve, and that you never need it! Good luck!


Steve in AZ
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

Hope your faith in Obama pays off for you. It won't, but good luck, anyway.

It's sad; gang-banger crack dealers in the inner cities like Chicago's South Side have enough money for health insurance, but they'll never spend it on insurance. That's why we need a 'guv-a-men' insurance to cover their gunshot wound care, which is why granny needs to “make room” by dying so the “young and productive” Obamatron voters will live long enough to vote for “Himself”…………again. Not to worry — After the 2012 elections, Obama will be a one time president and Nancy Pelosi will be relegated to toilet-licking janitorial duty on Capital Hill.


playjurist
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

The Republican base is easily motivated by fear tactics. It would be interesting to see if there are any psychological explanations behind the fact that the base is so susceptible to conspiracy theories, lies, distortions, and fear tactics. I'm pretty disappointed in Grassley on this, but it goes to show that bipartisanship is pretty much useless. The Reps are clearly not negotiating in good faith.


playjurist
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Interesting. Then it would follow that a public option is no threat to private insurers, since no one would sign up for it if it was so ineffective and has such long wait times. But then why are the private insurers freaking out???

As far as your Cuba example the same could be said here. The wealthy get top notch care, but lots of people lose their coverage after they get sick. I read about one woman, a grandma no less, that was told she failed to report a “precancerous condition” because of a visit for acne. Her doc even wrote the insurer but they still rescinded her. They did all this AFTER her diagnosis with breast cancer. I guess she wasn't worth covering (corporate earnings report, don't-cha know?).


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

Government is already in your life you leash lead moron asshole!! people keep voting for brain dead Repuke assholes that destroy govenment form the inside ie Mike Brownie, SEC and much more under Repuke control…just wait 2010 will be the death of the Republican Party and I can not wait to piss on it's grave


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

Another lying repuke P**sy STFU coward you have no clue what you silly ass is taliing about KITTY KITTY KITTY


2son
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

Yeow…did you forget your meds today? I just said I was not a Republican or a “Repuke” as you so eloquently put it…..so other than that, did you have a point? or are you just venting? You seem a little off subject and a little off, with all due respect :))


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:24 am

Nice projection from someone who needs Limbaugh or Beck to tell him
what to think. And do tell, as in cite, those hospital closings.

And, where are the long lines of Canadians clamoring for American
style health care besides your imagination.

Douche.


arlingtonsam
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 2:28 am

Faith in Obama or not, you are completely f. . . .up!


captainsteve
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 2:55 am

Don’t believe obummer’s lie that there will not be death panels. Why do I know? There already are death panels in Oregon’s universal care system! They have had real people be refused treatment on account of cost. Those same people were however offered suicide drugs.

Nothing obama says has meaning because he can't be trusted.

Watch this video. You’ll see obama lie like a dog in his very own words.

http://www.breitbart.tv/naked-emperor-news-obam…

People need to wake up and see this lying fraud for who he is, an America hating, Saudi King bowing, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan usurper dirt-bag Chicago thug!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

FACTS PEE BRAIN something that you assclowns know nothing about….Lies flat out fucking lies all the repukes have…..no leadership no ideas no party fear scared AHHH THEY ARE GONNA JILL MY GRANNY…. Lying POS!!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

Damn WADE You leave AOL to bring your lying BS here too??


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