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		<title>By: Spamfilter240</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/54452/is-impending-holder-torture-probe-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1#comment-259057</link>
		<dc:creator>Spamfilter240</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America the Beautiful........Where the law only applys to you and me. 

Torture: The enemies #1 recruiting tool. 

and now for a reprise we torture our own. Free Bradly Manning. The 21st Century Paul Revere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America the Beautiful&#8230;&#8230;..Where the law only applys to you and me. </p>
<p>Torture: The enemies #1 recruiting tool. </p>
<p>and now for a reprise we torture our own. Free Bradly Manning. The 21st Century Paul Revere</p>
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		<title>By: Spamfilter240</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/54452/is-impending-holder-torture-probe-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1#comment-259058</link>
		<dc:creator>Spamfilter240</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America the Beautiful........Where the law only applys to you and me. 

Torture: The enemies #1 recruiting tool. 

and now for a reprise we torture our own. Free Bradly Manning. The 21st Century Paul Revere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America the Beautiful&#8230;&#8230;..Where the law only applys to you and me. </p>
<p>Torture: The enemies #1 recruiting tool. </p>
<p>and now for a reprise we torture our own. Free Bradly Manning. The 21st Century Paul Revere</p>
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		<title>By: chenlifeng0810</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/54452/is-impending-holder-torture-probe-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1#comment-66081</link>
		<dc:creator>chenlifeng0810</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only One word to characterize such a great post “WOW” that was a very interesting read&lt;br /&gt;a href=&quot;http://www.victoriaclassic.com&quot;&gt;Links of London Jewellery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everything dynamic and very positively!&lt;br /&gt;a href=&quot;http://www.victoriaclassic.com&quot;&gt;Links of London Jewellery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think I will try to recommend this post to my friends and family, cuz it’s really helpful.&lt;br /&gt;a href=&quot;http://www.victoriaclassic.com&quot;&gt;Links of London Jewellery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just wanted to say great job with the blog, today is my first visit here and I’ve enjoyed reading your posts so far&lt;br /&gt;a href=&quot;http://www.victoriaclassic.com&quot;&gt;Links of London Jewellery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for article. Everytime like to read you.&lt;br /&gt;a href=&quot;http://www.victoriaclassic.com&quot;&gt;Links of London Jewellery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only One word to characterize such a great post “WOW” that was a very interesting read<br />a href=&#8221;http://www.victoriaclassic.com&#8221;&gt;Links of London Jewellery</p>
<p>Everything dynamic and very positively!<br />a href=&#8221;http://www.victoriaclassic.com&#8221;&gt;Links of London Jewellery</p>
<p>I think I will try to recommend this post to my friends and family, cuz it’s really helpful.<br />a href=&#8221;http://www.victoriaclassic.com&#8221;&gt;Links of London Jewellery</p>
<p>Just wanted to say great job with the blog, today is my first visit here and I’ve enjoyed reading your posts so far<br />a href=&#8221;http://www.victoriaclassic.com&#8221;&gt;Links of London Jewellery</p>
<p>Thanks for article. Everytime like to read you.<br />a href=&#8221;http://www.victoriaclassic.com&#8221;&gt;Links of London Jewellery</p>
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		<title>By: Impending Torture Probe: Worse Than Nothing? &#124; Civil Liberties</title>
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		<dc:creator>Impending Torture Probe: Worse Than Nothing? &#124; Civil Liberties</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While CCR and others are pushing for a broader investigation, some, including Andrew Sullivan, think a narrow investigation might be worse than no investigation at all, because it &#8220;risks essentially legitimizing the torture it does not prosecute.&#8221;  On the other hand, Holder&#8217;s gotta start somewhere, and this may be the least politically incendiary place to do so.  Says the Washington Independent&#8217;s Daphne Eviatar: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While CCR and others are pushing for a broader investigation, some, including Andrew Sullivan, think a narrow investigation might be worse than no investigation at all, because it &#8220;risks essentially legitimizing the torture it does not prosecute.&#8221;  On the other hand, Holder&#8217;s gotta start somewhere, and this may be the least politically incendiary place to do so.  Says the Washington Independent&#8217;s Daphne Eviatar: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: suddencall</title>
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		<dc:creator>suddencall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holders spineless ignoring of the bush regime lawlessness is hurting the democratic party and  making a mockery of our DOJ .Falling out of love with the Obama administration is the rule rather than the moment.This is not what people voted for when we voted for change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holders spineless ignoring of the bush regime lawlessness is hurting the democratic party and  making a mockery of our DOJ .Falling out of love with the Obama administration is the rule rather than the moment.This is not what people voted for when we voted for change.</p>
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		<title>By: cejaxon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cejaxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, do trials that somehow make a political point really work well -- for justice or politics? Once you put someone on trial, the trial is, or should be, about the defendant &amp; the defendant&#039;s actions, not &quot;the system.&quot; The judge in a civilian criminal trial could, as the judges in the Abu Ghraib court martials did, forbid evidence about process.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Moreover, to count on an edifying spectacle from a trial is folly, as best I can tell. I remember when a prosecutor in LA painstakingly brought up all sorts of evidence to educate the American people &amp; jurors about wife beating. But OJ was acquitted.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As best I can tell, there is enough evidence that Bush cronies broke the law vis a vis torture that Obama is remiss in not recommending that that be investigated.  He swore to uphold the constitution &amp; execute the laws.  The oath of office doesn&#039;t include exceptions for lawbreaking by past presidents who were really really scared about terrorism and kind of intimidated by their vice presidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, do trials that somehow make a political point really work well &#8212; for justice or politics? Once you put someone on trial, the trial is, or should be, about the defendant &#038; the defendant&#39;s actions, not &#8220;the system.&#8221; The judge in a civilian criminal trial could, as the judges in the Abu Ghraib court martials did, forbid evidence about process.</p>
<p>Moreover, to count on an edifying spectacle from a trial is folly, as best I can tell. I remember when a prosecutor in LA painstakingly brought up all sorts of evidence to educate the American people &#038; jurors about wife beating. But OJ was acquitted.</p>
<p>As best I can tell, there is enough evidence that Bush cronies broke the law vis a vis torture that Obama is remiss in not recommending that that be investigated.  He swore to uphold the constitution &#038; execute the laws.  The oath of office doesn&#39;t include exceptions for lawbreaking by past presidents who were really really scared about terrorism and kind of intimidated by their vice presidents.</p>
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		<title>By: johnhkennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnhkennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A criminal investigation of even low-level CIA interrogators who exceeded the guidelines they were given should, if done thoroughly and honestly, inevitably lead to questions about how those guidelines were communicated down the chain of command, and whether higher-ups approved the more extreme conduct:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, WE will still have to keep the pressure on to &lt;br&gt;persuade Holder, etc to expand the investigation to include the higher ups. &lt;br&gt;I think that only a few unfortunate at the bottom will be prosecuted without a lot of pressure from we the voters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We have to make an example of the Bush criminals or it will happen again and again until we lose our most cherished freedoms.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SIGN THE PETITIONS&lt;br&gt;Demanding&lt;br&gt;both a Commission of Inquiry&lt;br&gt;and a Special Prosecutor&lt;br&gt;For All Their Crimes&lt;br&gt;at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A criminal investigation of even low-level CIA interrogators who exceeded the guidelines they were given should, if done thoroughly and honestly, inevitably lead to questions about how those guidelines were communicated down the chain of command, and whether higher-ups approved the more extreme conduct:</p>
<p>Perhaps.  </p>
<p>However, WE will still have to keep the pressure on to <br />persuade Holder, etc to expand the investigation to include the higher ups. <br />I think that only a few unfortunate at the bottom will be prosecuted without a lot of pressure from we the voters.</p>
<p>We have to make an example of the Bush criminals or it will happen again and again until we lose our most cherished freedoms.</p>
<p>SIGN THE PETITIONS<br />Demanding<br />both a Commission of Inquiry<br />and a Special Prosecutor<br />For All Their Crimes<br />at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</p>
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