Tom Maguire Keeps Digging

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If Maguire wants to continue wrecking his reputation like this ….

he has a reputation to wreck ????

he used to comment at a blog that i read but cannot remember the name ( might have been marcy wheeler's original blog the next hurrah or it might have been glenn greenwald's pre-salon blog unclaimed territory ) but in any case maguire used to comment there and i recall thinking 'man, this guy is clueless plus he is arrogant and to top it all off he is an asshole.'

and time and events have pretty much borne out that original thought of mine.

Good job, David. When they can't beat you with the facts, they resort to smears and innuendo. We need a new second party, the GOP has degenerated into a surly mob.

Speaking about wrecking his reputation, why did Weigel outrageously lie on the Maddow show? Can Weigel back up his claims?

For instance, on that show he said that Hawaii said they had another different copy on file that “says the same stuff”.

Yet, from this: In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama's short-form Certificate of Live Birth, or COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.

That would seem to contradict what Weigel said, no? I'm sure he has a creative explanation!

Everything written in WND, especially by Corsi, contradicts reality, 24BrainCells.

Tell you what, 24, how about a conservative, Obama-hating, non-media person, who really knows what he's talking about on this subject?

http://www.kfyi.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/playe…

Every time you make one of your off-the-wall arguments, take the time and listen to this gentleman. He's a lawyer, conservative, Obama-hating, republican…and he can explain to you why you are wrong. Of course, once you hear him tear apart your arguments, you can claim that he is a closet Obama supporter, or was gotten to by Obama, or whatever else your simple mind can come up with. However, no matter how you want to try and spin it, Obama is our president and will be for the next 3 1/2+ years…so get used to it!

Oh, Prince of All Birfers, how must it feel to stare at the wastes of your kingdom? Sad, sad, sad.

Maguire's still waiting for Valerie Plame to be arrested for leaking her own identity.

Sadly, I don't have sound here, otherwise I'd jump at the chance. However, what exactly does that have to do with the fact that Weigel just made things up? Which specific argument that *I* have made – not others' arguments – are refuted by the unknown person on your browser-stopping audio page?

The WND article quotes Weigel's buddy Okubo. If you think WND just made up that quote, then you've got a scoop. All you need to do is confirm it.

Uh, you can confirm it, right?

I tried to post a response on Maguire's blog, however it won't accept it. I just get a message saying “We're sorry, we cannot accept this data.”

So if you don't mind, I'll post it here.

Mr. Maguire, I really don't care for your veiled accusations here.

First, it wasn't “the folks at Politijab” that found the Bomford certificate. I found the Bomford certificate, and I also happen to post a PolitiJab. However I hadn't even been doing that to speak of for the past several months as after nearly a year of spending altogether too much time online over the Obama birth certificate/natural born citizen issue, I decided to “retire” from the whole thing.

And then Sunday happened.

First and for the record, I do not know Mr. Weigel, nor have I ever had any contact with him. Neither did I know or ever have any contact with Mr. Koppleman of Salon until Monday, after I had already written my post about the Bomford certificate. Mr. Koppleman registered on PolitiJab and sent me a PM asking me if he could talk to me. I telephoned him and answered his questions, after which he published his piece on Salon.

Second, I did nothing different here with regard to the Kenya certificate than I did with Obama's Hawaiian certificate.

When I first became involved with the Hawaii certificate issue back in July of last year, and when no one had yet turned up a Hawaiian certificate with the same borders as Obama's, I went looking online to see if I could find one, as the border issue left me with some nagging doubts.

In that case, I wasn't able to find any Hawaiian certificates with borders matching those of Obama.

And when the now infamous “TechDude” came out with his report, showing what appeared to be Hawaiian certificates issued just before and just after Obama's but with decidedly different borders, the doubts became more nagging, to the point that I wrote this entry on my blog back on July 20th:

http://koyaan.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/case-clo…

In closing I wrote:

So, unless someone can show that the certificates presented in the techdude report are fake, or that their issue dates have been misrepresented, or that the State of Hawaii used a completely different border for a short period of time in 2007 (and that it is the same as the Obama border and was printed off center), I think someone at the Obama campaign has some explaining to do and that the broader media should take this issue more seriously and look into it more thoroughly.

Ultimately it turned out that TechDude was a fraud and that he was fabricating his “evidence.” But the point I make here is that I have no agenda and if I think something is awry, I have no problem at all speaking out about it.

And to further that point, since you mention Dan Rather, when I looked into that incident back when it hit the blogs, I concluded that the TANG documents were forgeries.

Look, all I did was find a scanned image of a birth certificate on the web and posted about it on a political forum. And I found it doing nothing differently than I have done in the past.

Again, I don't care for your veiled accusations.

k

The Politijab Spoof? Baloney. PJ had nothing to do with it except somebody posted a link.

I wonder what Maguire's motivation is? What might his involvement be…could he be the merry hoaxer? He certainly doth protest too much.

Humiliation is a bitch, isn't it Maguire.

WND has less journalistic integrity then the National Inquirer or the Globe.

WND is a waste of internet space.

Well, WND certainly lied about having Kenyan BCs to use to verify the faux Kenyan BC on Sun…less than 24 hours after Orly released the faux Kenyan BC.

Hmmmm. The Globe does more research than WND. Middle-schoolers do more research with WND.

To the person who did create the faux Kenyan BC.

Thank you. Regardless of your political affiliation, whether you are a birfer or obot, thank you. The faux Kenyan BC has ruined Orly. She could lose her bar license over this…she submitted it as “evidence” in Florida this week. And the faux Kenyan BC has further humiliated WND and other birfers.

So, thank you. I appreciate all your hard work and all the joy you brought to this obot's heart.

Why do you keep yammering away about some piece of paper issued by the State of Hawaii being a forgery, when the State of Hawaii… which, uh, issued it… has told you more than once that it's not a forgery? This is the essence of why you people look like whackjobs to the rest of the country.

The whole point of a forgery is to trick the victim into believing that the author of the document says something the author is not actually saying. When, however, THE AUTHOR CONFIRMS THE SUBSTANCE OF THE DOCUMENT, the motivation behind the forgery ENDS. There is no NEED for a forgery. And there is no purpose to wasting people's time by pursuing a forgery theory.

I realize this is all logical and stuff, so it may be confusing to you.

The two assertions you've made aren't mutually exclusive. You're offering a false contradiction.

Beats me. Never heard of the guy until I read this column.

k

a. He didn't make things up.

b. Whether he made things up or not is irrelevant.

If you want a smart conservative answer to the birther question, check William F. Buckley's old homebase:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMz…

There are plenty of other conservatives who've laughed this whole issue out of their offices too, lawyers included.

The Hawaii Department of Health cannot authenticate a document that they have not seen. Although Fact Check handled the actual document and was convinced of its authenticity, the DOH has only seen the online photos/scans on Fact Check's website and Fight the Smears. Weigel was certainly not lying when he said that the DOH has recently attested to the authenticity of the information on the COLB image. See the Hawaii DOH website for the press release.

You seem to be the one who is confused here.

I don't recall yammering on about some piece of paper issued by the State of Hawaii being a forgery.

Perhaps you meant to reply to someone else's post?

k

Not at all. Anyone who spends as much time as you do on maintaining a blog obsessed with the delusion that a single sheet of paper is a forgery, when it clearly isn't, is yammering. I don't need you to admit to it in order for it to be plainly obvious.

I know that the Kenyan BC has been pretty much destroyed thanks to Koyaan's discovery, but one think I just realized is that the l964 request for the Certification was from Barack Obama Sr. who listed his residence as Honolulu.The birther theory going around was that the Certification was important in the divorce hearings for some reason.

One problem…in l964 BO, Sr. had been in Cambridge, Mass.going to Harvard for over two years. He wasn't resident in Honolulu. There's no evidence that he returned to Honolulu (he didn't contest the divorce and didn't seek custody of BO Jr.). So why would the COLB have him as the individual seeking the document, and why the wrong address?

(BTW Koyaan you might be able to find the words you used to find the BC in Search by looking back through your history files, particularly if you know the general time frame…and find the first time you looked at the Bomford site)

ctually it wasn't a “Politijab Spoof” simply because no one here has claimed that they did or planned a spoof. Certainly it was broached that it might have been a spoof, just as it was suggested that it might be a more deranged than usual “birther” trying to provide the evidence that would eventually be discovered (or perhaps prompt such a discovery by forcing the Kenyan gov't or others to “look”). It was lso suggested that someone did it for money.

But if we accept the evidence of the photos of a wadded up Kenyan COLB on the same textile cloth as the original was placed upon, then it was a spoof But there's no evidence that links it to this site. I suspect the prankster wanted to wait a bit longer before revealing his hand. He left mbiguous clues within the document that would “stir the pot” but likely didn't think that it would resolve the authenticity until he published his pix. In fact, maybe he was going to send Orly the photos of how he did it at some point and see if she'd offer to buy them to bury the evidence?

But Koyaan short-circuited any delayed release. (If Koyaan was involved, why not release the full set all together)?

First, I haven't written a new post there since December of last year.

Second, I only started it because virtually all of the blogs that were promoting the notion that the Hawaiian certification was a forgery systematically banned anyone who dared to question the claims being made.

Third, frauds and charlatans such as TechDude and especially Polarik were making pro forgery arguments, complete with images and illustrations, concerning certain technical aspects of the image and the document the image was of that could easily be seen as plausible to those who did not have the technical knowledge or wherewithal to see through them.

The blog simply served as a place where those arguments could be addressed without being censored.

If that's “yammering,” then I guess I'm guilty of yammering.

So be it.

k

(BTW Koyaan you might be able to find the words you used to find the BC in Search by looking back through your history files, particularly if you know the general time frame…and find the first time you looked at the Bomford site)

*sigh*

If only you'd have suggested that before yesterday.

I was over at the photo hosting site looking at the punk'd photos. I wanted to save the full size images but found that I didn't get any options when I right clicked on them. I posted on Politijab asking if someone had a high enough resolution monitor that they could display the images full screen and do a screen capture for me.

Someone replied saying they weren't having any problem at all saving them with a right click, and they were using Firefox, same as I was.

I thought it might be a cookie issue or something. And I don't know WHAT the hell I was thinking at the time, but I hastily just went to Clear Private Data, clicked on the cookie box, and then, well… *sigh*.

I not only blew ALL my cookies, but my browsing history as well.

And it turned out not to be a cookie issue anyway. I eventually figured out that for whatever reason, I could only get the right click save option if I did it while the images were loading.

k

The Hawaii Department of Health has called it a “valid Hawaii State Birth Certificate” a mere 2 or 3 days after it came out.

Politifact, wanting to go the extra mile, emailed the image to Janice Okubo (spokesman for the Hawaii Department of Health), and asked if it was real.

“It's a valid Hawai'i state birth certificate,” Spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

Hmmm. Didn't Aristotle the Hun CLAIM that HE found the Bomford certificate BEFORE Koyaan did, but somehow did not post about it until 6 hours or so after K posted on PJ about his find?

And, Ed Hale claims he gave the Kenyan BC to Orly, and that he had it in his possession since LAST SEPTEMBER!

PJ did not exist until January of 2009. As we all know, the birthers are not so big on truth or facts, so this new lie regarding a “PJ spoof” does not surprise me at all…they tend to make a lot of stuff up.

Urgent update!

New evidence that Obama’s mother didn’t live at claimed address in Hawaii when obama was born

The records from a Honolulu title search, obtained by WND, document 6085 Kalanianaole Highway was purchased in 1958 by Orland Scott Lefforge, a University of Hawaii professor, and his wife/companion Thelma Young, who lived at the property and remained owners into the 1970s.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

The questions won’t go away until obama releases his hidden records. All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding?

And maybe more disturbing is why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States? The answer is that Obama’s very own supporters also know he’s a fraud!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

oh, World Net Daily, well then, with a credible source like that, who could argue. LOL

I have proof that birthers are members of a communist plot to overthrow our democracy!!!

They do not believe in the rule of law, only the rules of communism ideals, like both parents must be citizens in order for the child to be a citizen and eligible to hold high office.

They follow a communist (Orly Taitz)

They spew communist rules, like it is up to the accused to prove the accuser is wrong instead of the accuser having to prove his case.

This is the USA and we non-birthers are americans who believe in our democracy. We will stand strong against you communist birthers and not allow you to twist our constitution. We are a country of laws, and you are a bunch of Commies.

Birthers = Commies, I will now use that in all my posts, because it is more the truth than the lies they're spewing.

Captain Steve,

I now understand why you and WND get so much wrong on your posts…you never got a college education! If you had, you'd know that people rent rooms, lower floors, upper floors, rooms over garages, etc all the time to college students. Especially, professors and staff at the universities!

BTW, I can promise you my name won't appear on the title where my son was born…I was a renter. Now go back to your commie friends and try again…better yet just move to a communist country then all the crap your spewing would be correct and you could be happy to live as a commie.

Do you homework. He is on record that he did not live in the small shack in back.

For the record I have an advanced degree and distinguished professional career, but your attacking me personally because you disagree with my position shows the type of person you are. I'm sad for you and sad for America.

That's irrelevant. The only thing that matters is are the accurate. After all The National Enquirer busted John Edwards.

And the Globe is running an article about obama’s fake birth certificate. Granted they’re a “gossip rag” but then “The Enquirer” busted John Edwards in spite of denial after denial by him and all the major news agencies.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

The questions won’t go away until obama releases his hidden records. All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What and why is he hiding?

And maybe more disturbing is why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States? The answer is that Obama’s very own supporters also know he’s a fraud!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Advance degree…distinguished professional…BS artist. Yep, that's you. Don't be sad for America, we're fighting back against you commies that are trying to overthrow the duly-elected leader of our country…now go back to your commie country and join Orly for a drink and compare your on-line degrees.

Well, then Captainsteve, you'll appreciate that they were accurate in at least one thing…

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

So, WND says Obama is a citizen…and the rest of the junk they're spewing is designed to get poor lost idiots like you to donate money to them. Have you given? That's the only reason they try to keep this story alive…so fools and their money will soon be parted…to them!

Again irrelevant. . .the question is whether obama is or is not a “natural born” citizen. The data released thus far is insufficient to definitively answer that question.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

By who's definition, Steve? By the US congress' anyone born in the USA is a natural born citizen, and for that there is no question. Now by your communist definition, he may not be…but he wasn't born in a communist country. The data released answers that question perfectly, just that you're so blinded by hate you can't see that.

Your wrong about the definition of Natural born. Pregnant girls from Mexico come to the USA all the time to have their babies here so the baby is a USA citizen, but the child is NOT a natural born citizen, it is native born. Google it.

Additionally, nobody knows for sure where Dingle Barry was born. Three different hospitals have some claim. That's why the birthers want to see all the records.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Speaking of The Globe….

And the Globe is running an article about obama’s fake birth certificate. Granted they’re a “gossip rag” but then “The Enquirer” busted John Edwards in spite of denial after denial by him and all the major news agencies.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

The questions won’t go away until obama releases his hidden records. All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What and why is he hiding?

And maybe more disturbing is why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States? The answer is that Obama’s very own supporters also know he’s a fraud!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Steve, Steve, Steve…man are you confused. In one breath you say yes, he was born in Hawaii and agree his BC is real, in the next you say no, I'm not sure. Now you pull the 3 different hospital claims out of your a** with no proof and expect the accusee to respond. Plus, Obama's mother WAS a US citizen at the time of his birth, so your comparison with Mexican mothers makes less than no sense. See how this works? Whenever someone proves you wrong, you move the line. Admit it, you just don't like it that a Black man is president…either that or I am correct to call you a communist.

I'll tell you what, I'll prove each of your conclusions and statements are incorrect, whenever you provide documented proof with each of those statements. In other words, show me that you are an American and not a Communist by proving your accusations and not just spouting things out of the air (like your favorite sites such as WND) and I'll answer and prove each of them wrong. Now, you claim 3 hospitals have some sort of claim, prove it or stick it back in your a** where you pulled it out of.

You're really ignorant of the facts aren't you (not to mention rude and pathetic)? One can tell a lot about a person by examining their friends. You compel me to dislike obama even more than I did before, congratulations.

Now here's your disputed facts. Prove me wrong. Or are you just a blow-hard?

Didn't obummer say he was born at Queens Hospital in his book “Dreams of My Father”? The answer is yes.

Didn't Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu have a letter from obummer on their website claiming the birth? The answer is yes.

Didn't several Kenyan officials and his grandmother claim Coast General Hospital in Mombasa as the birth hospital? Again the answer is yes.

Sorry, but again, there has never been any more than two forms of citizenship in the US. By birth and by naturalization. Citizenship by birth was never broken down into sub-categories.

k

“Didn't several Kenyan officials and his grandmother claim Coast General Hospital in Mombasa as the birth hospital? Again the answer is yes.”

The answer is NO…emphatically. You made a lot of claims there, where is your proof. Accusations without proof is how they do it in communist countries…is that where you're a citizen? Let me just take the grandmother statement…she was interviewed by a street preacher, if your listen to the WHOLE interview and not just the cut off version that you like, since you don't seem to like anything that proves you wrong, the grandmother says EMPHATICALLY that Obama was born in Hawaii. Also, not a single Kenyan official has claimed Obama was born in Kenya, if you have something different, prove it. Add that to the fact that you agree with WND that the Hawaiin BC is, in fact, real and legal…then trying to get him born in Kenya is the true measure of how low you can stoop.

Now, where's the letter you claim for the Medical Center? I've heard a lot about it, and never seen it. Not that it's something I would look for.

Finally, I am only rude to people who try to take my freedoms away and overthrow my government…you'll forgive me if that's where I have you pegged.

The letter is common knowledge to anybody that has followed this issue. You obviously haven't but love to spout off. I'm not going to waste any more time with dealing your petty criticism. Time will tell who is correct. I say he's a pathetic fraud.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/?p=2668

Interesting, isn't it steve? I just shot down your grandma and Kenyan official argument, I ask for the letter that you say is out there for all to see, and yet you can't point me to it, since you've never seen it. The only common knowledge you've shown is that you'll believe any nutcase theory out there that gets Obama out of the White House…which is the definition of trying to overturn the government. In the end, the only statement that you've made that I agree with is that YOU think he's a pathetic fraud, but you've proven time and time again that the most pathetic thing is yourself. Admit it, you don't want proof, you don't want facts, you don't care about legality…all you care about is getting Obama out of the White House because you don't like him. Speak the truth, and I will have much more respect for you than a lying and gossiping bigot who is more communist than American. You don't get respect, you earn it.

I posted the link dick-wad. I have a life. I'm not going to do you research. Grow up loser.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/?p=2668

Dingle barry is a fraud.

.

I don't need to do research, steve, I know Obama's an American citizen and my president. It's you who need to prove ME wrong, since he's in the White House and leading our country…not the other way around. See, that's why I believe you're a commie, you have the idea that it's up to the person who's already proven facts to disprove non-facts by you. BTW, it still shows that Obama was born in the USA and is a citizen able to hold office. So, you're welcome for the click. Now, about the grandmother and Kenyan Officials…or are you just going to ignore that since you know you're making false statements?

C'mon steve, prove me wrong about the Grandmother and the Kenyan officials. Can't huh? guess you love proving my point…unless you can find a site that likes to put out forgeries and claim they're the real thing like WND. If you can't prove your statements…don't make them. That just makes you look like more of a fraud than Obama could ever be!!!

YEAH! And another thing, we want our country back! It's not right what you're doing to it!

We want our freedom and our liberty and our patriotism and our mayonnaise and our country music! Don't you steal Christmas and redistribute our toys to your Zionist buddies, you socialist Grinch!

You tell 'em, Captain Asshole. I mean, captainsteve. With compelling logic and cites to World Net Daily, how come no one responded to you for four days?

Could it be because WND already found that Obama's COLB is authentic? Read it yourself:

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

That was from a year ago, genius. August 23, 2008. Where the hell have you been? Fighting supervillians, no doubt.

The Craigslist blogger is back with his pro-obummer message for $9.95 per hour. It's pathetic that obummer has to hire lowlifes like you to obscure the truth.

For the record, whether the COLB is legit is meaningless. It doesn't prove natural born citizenship, nor does it explain why Dingle Barry has hidden all his records.

Obummer is less trustworthy than the Joker! Nothing he says can be be trusted.

Watch this video. You’ll see obama lie like a dog in his very own words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JKDTBOYKg

People need to wake up and see this lying fraud for who he is, an America hating, Saudi King bowing, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan usurper dirt-bag Chicago thug!

Actually, Steve, it's the rest of the world who knows the truth…it's people like you who are living in a dream world. The COLB is quite legal and shows the truth…people like you just have too much hate in your sole to see it. So, when you talk trust, we have a heck of lot more trust in Obama than delusional constitution-haters like yourself.

Now, put your thumb back into your mouth and go back crying to your momma…no way you commies are ever going to win this argument.

Too much hate in my sole? What do the bottom of my feet have to do with anything?

I know you got your job on Craigslist to support obummer, but you are a dumba$$ . You're not smart enough to debate me. Go away and pester someone else.

Well, steve, since what you're spewing is worth about what's on the bottom of your feet, I think it fits…especially after you've stepped in it.

I don't support Obama, I support our democracy. You, on the other hand, are a commie trying to overthrow our legal and duly elected leader…and should be treated as a traitor. Unless I have you pegged correctly as a foreign born commie, like Orly, trying to use commie ideals in our country. This is our country and I won't let you commies have it!

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