Obama Aide Declares End to War on Terrorism

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Thursday, August 06, 2009 at 4:10 pm
John Brennan, pictured with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel (White House photo)

John Brennan, pictured with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel (White House photo)

John Brennan picked a deeply symbolic day to end the “war on terrorism.”

On August 6, 2001, Brennan, then a senior CIA official and now President Obama’s assistant for counterterrorism and homeland security, “read warnings that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike inside the U.S., but our government was unable to prevent the worst terrorist attack in American history,” he recalled to an audience Thursday at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank. It was a reference to a CIA analysis, called a President’s Daily Brief, that the 9/11 Commission uncovered as a key warning that an attack by al-Qaeda was likely.

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Eight years later, in his first speech since joining the Obama administration, Brennan annulled several key aspects of the so-called war on terrorism — starting with both the name and the idea that the United States was involved in any sort of “global war.” Brennan said Obama will subordinate counterterrorism to “its right and proper place” as a “vital part” of the administration’s national security and foreign policies, but not the lion’s share of them. Saying he was careful not to elevate al-Qaeda to a greater position of importance than it deserved, Brennan linked the rise in support for extremists to problems of global governance, economic crisis and social stratification and said the administration would make a concerted effort to address what he considers those extremist root causes.

Above all, Brennan emphasized that the United States was not locked in a struggle with the world’s billion Muslims. He derided al-Qaeda’s self-presentation as a “highly organized, global entity capable of replacing sovereign nations with a global caliphate,” and said that the administration would abandon the use of the word “jihad” in reference to al-Qaeda, since the term carries “religious legitimacy” in the Muslim world that al-Qaeda’s “murderers… desperately seek but in no way deserve.” David Kilcullen, a counterinsurgency expert and former adviser to Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East and South Asia, has recently argued in an influential book that the United States has insufficiently distinguished between implacable enemies and those who fight out of opportunism, desperation or other, non-eschatological reasons.

Brennan used that insight to explain the basis for the Obama administration’s approach to global governance, stability and development assistance. “Any comprehensive approach has to also address the upstream factors — the conditions that help fuel violent extremism,” Brennan said. Military, intelligence or law-enforcement actions are unable to confront those conditions, which he said include the “basic needs and legitimate grievances of ordinary people” for prosperity, education, “dignity and worth,” and security. “If we fail to confront the broader political, economic, and social conditions in which extremists thrive, then there will always be another recruit in the pipeline, another attack coming downstream,” Brennan said.

While Brennan said it would ultimately be up to governments and civil-society institutions in the Muslim world to “isolate” al-Qaeda, he said the role of the United States was to help strengthen “the capacity of foreign militaries and security forces” and judiciaries; to make “substantial” increases in foreign aid to fight poverty and promote global health and food security; and to demonstrate the ability of “diplomacy, dialogue, and the democratic process” to solve “seemingly intractable problems.”

By contrast, the Bush administration dismissed the idea that poverty and social injustice contributed to terrorism, and contended that a more fundamental root cause was political tyranny in the Middle East. While it pushed autocratic allies like Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to take certain liberalizing steps, it focused more on building the outlines of democratic states in countries it sent the U.S. military to occupy, Iraq and Afghanistan. “This nation is at war with Islamic fascists,” Bush said in 2006, and several steps he took — such as authorizing the CIA to perform “enhanced interrogation” and approving indefinite detention without trial at places like Guantanamo Bay — led Muslim democracy activists to view U.S. material or even rhetorical support as counterproductive.

Brennan did not renounce a variety of military, intelligence, financial and law enforcement measures to combat al-Qaeda and unspecified “other terrorist groups.” He said vaguely that Obama had encouraged his foreign-policy and security team to “be even more aggressive, even more proactive, and even more innovative” at going after terrorists, and Brennan added, with “certainty,” that the United States would defeat al-Qaeda. Brennan did not spend much time discussing Afghanistan, the war theater where Obama has recently ordered 21,000 new troops and may soon face a request to order the deployment of more. He said U.S. forces were “pushing the Taliban out of key population areas in Afghanistan so we can prevent the return of al-Qaeda to that country,” although Obama announced the troop increase as a measure to confront al-Qaeda directly.

Asked by TWI whether measures like CIA drone strikes in Pakistan overemphasized killing al-Qaeda members at the expense of alienating a population vulnerable to exploitation by extremists, Brennan said that the Obama administration debated those issues intensely. Interagency meetings feature the questions, “What are the implications, if we take this [counterterrorism] step, what’s it going to do on the political front, on the economic front, on the social front?” Brennan said. “What we don’t want to do is just have a bunch of CT [counterterrorism] people in a room saying, ‘OK, what can we do here.’” Kilcullen and Andrew Exum of the Center for a New American Security have argued that the drone strikes, which have intensified this year, represent a greater long-term cost to national security than counterterrorist benefit.

Brennan would have been Obama’s CIA director had concerns in the blogosphere over statements he made in support of rendition — the extrajudicial transfer of detainees from one country to another — led him in November to pull his name from consideration. In the speech, Brennan took pains to denounce waterboarding and unspecified interrogation “practices” that “have been rightly terminated and should not, and will not, happen again.” He did not use the word “torture,” and ducked a question from Eli Lake of The Washington Times about whether he supported a classified annex to a forthcoming government-wide interrogation field manual that might contain harsher interrogation recommendations than allowed under the Geneva Conventions — rules Obama has insisted apply to interrogations policy.

He also dodged a question from TWI about the part a recent report from several government inspectors general suggested he may have played in the Bush administration’s domestic surveillance programs, saying “I’m not going to go into sort of what my role was in that instance because a lot of those activities are still considered classified and not in the public domain.”

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alwaysthinking
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

Fantastic. Now we can concentrate on our terrorist friends' difficult childhood and economic disadvantages and pour loads of newly printed money into making their lives worth living without the need to kill us off.

Where do these people come from?


diditlive
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

yeah, we need to just continue killing them, eventually there's none of them left…that's the strategy


sonnymobley
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

“By contrast, the Bush administration dismissed the idea that poverty and social injustice contributed to terrorism, and contended that a more fundamental root cause was political tyranny in the Middle East.” Heh. Poverty and social injustice to contribute heavily to terrorism. And know what contributes to those two things? THEISM


mr_peanut
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

This is a fine example of fact-based journalism. Particularly appreciated the distinction between implacable and opportunistic enemies.


gregjons
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

Poverty and social injustice is exactly what is causing all this terrorism. If you haven't noticed most of these so called “terrorists” are borderline retarded. Mostly poor uneducated men who are fooled into criminal life due to lack of education and hope for a future. If you wanna stop people blowing up stuff in the name of some stupid god then you need to tackle the main issue at hand which is ignorance and the lack of employment.


Anne
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

Are you kidding me with this? How is changing social services in the United States going to make Islamic extremists feel all warm and fuzzy around the world? Terrorism was growing by leaps and bounds in the 90's when Bill Clinton was President and the US economy was flourishing. Do you remember the 1st World Trade Center Attack, USS Cole attack, multiple US Embassy attacks? Radical Muslim extremists have been forcing their beliefs on the world for thousands of years. Do you really think they'll change their mind because we put a chicken in every pot?


alwaysthinking
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

Sorry, gregjons, you've got it wrong.
Please refer to the review cited below:

Many popular ideas about terrorists and why they seek to harm us are fueled by falsehoods and misinformation. Leading politicians and scholars have argued that poverty and lack of education breed terrorism, despite the wealth of evidence showing that most terrorists come from middle-class, and often college-educated, backgrounds. In What Makes a Terrorist, Alan Krueger argues that if we are to correctly assess the root causes of terrorism and successfully address the threat, we must think more like economists do.

Krueger is an influential economist who has applied rigorous statistical analysis to a range of tough issues, from the minimum wage and education to the occurrence of hate crimes. In this book, he explains why our tactics in the fight against terrorism must be based on more than anecdote and speculation. Krueger closely examines the factors that motivate individuals to participate in terrorism, drawing inferences from terrorists' own backgrounds and the economic, social, and political conditions in the societies from which they come. He describes which countries are the most likely breeding grounds for terrorists, and which ones are most likely to be their targets. Krueger addresses the economic and psychological consequences of terrorism. He puts the terrorist threat squarely into perspective, revealing how our nation's sizeable economy is diverse and resilient enough to withstand the comparatively limited effects of most terrorist strikes. And he calls on the media to be more responsible in reporting on terrorism.

What Makes a Terrorist brings needed clarity to one of the greatest challenges of our time.

Alan B. Krueger is the Bendheim Professor of Economics and Public Policy at Princeton University and an adviser to the National Counter-terrorism Center. He is the coauthor of Inequality in America: What Role for Human Capital Policies?and Myth and Measurement: The New Economics of the Minimum Wage (Princeton).


lin
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

If contributing refers to some degree of causation, then the distinction should be made between correlation and causation. Both wealthy and poor commit crimes, but the uneducated tend to commit more violent crimes. The children of people who drink alcohol are more likely to be abused, but there is no causal link between alcohol consumption and child abuse, just correlation. As for the term social injustice, it is little more than question begging.


dan
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Grow up a bit. Learn to make the distinction between understanding the underlying causes of a problem and being a terrorist sympathizer (coincidentally many people on the right seem to support the use of violence when it's politically convenient, or at least they like to talk about it). We want to eliminate the causes of terrorism forever, not kill a bunch of people so that a bunch more people will want to continue killing us, thus perpetuating the vicious circle ad infinitum.


Nikki
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Reviews of Krueger's book are listed below, lending support to the bias that poverty and socioeconomic issues breed terrorism:

“What are the individual and societal causes of terrorism? The book's great strength is its focus on new sources of data examined in new ways. The most compelling analysis in the book is of biographical information on operatives from Hezbollah and Hamas. This is a substantial contribution, offering insight into who becomes a terrorist and, as important, pushing terrorism studies in a productive new direction, toward microlevel data. The book provides a valuable service in dispelling the stereotype of the poor, ignorant terrorist.”–Ethan Bueno de Mesquita, Science

“It seems universally obvious that poverty and poor education breed terrorism. But it's wrong…. [Alan Krueger] went in search of evidence for the terrorism part of the proposition and found next to none. He has set out his findings in What Makes A Terrorist.”–Peter Martin, Canberra Times

“This new book by Alan Krueger, full of first-rate empirical work, punctures many myths about terrorism.”–Tyler Cowen, Marginal Revolution

“[Krueger] seeks to put the risks Americans face from terrorism into 'proper perspective' with his unique book.”–John McCaslin, Washington Times

“What Makes a Terrorist brings together disparate data, such as academic studies and government reports, arraying them into a concise, accessible argument against the notion that we can defeat terrorism through aid and education. While Krueger is careful to affirm that these are useful in combating many social ills, he is adamant that terrorism is not one of them. He offers skilled analysis to show that an aggressive foreign policy based on this fallacious assumption has cost several nations dearly and also warns that continuing along this course may provoke further terrorist acts.”–Tony Azios, Christian Science Monitor


tim
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

The reason for attacking on 9-11 was adequately explained long before it occurred. Our troops on muslim holy soil and our ties to secular dictators like Hussein, Mubarak, and Abdullah were cited by bin-laden long before the terrorism. London and Madrid were because of their involvement in the occupation of Iraq. The sooner we are all driving electric cars the sooner we can laugh while they eat sand.


MickeyA1
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

diditive,

You're what's wrong in this country. I'd explain why but you have zero chance of understanding.,


tqwebad
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

what's rahm reaching for?


troykendal
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

What is the POTENETIAL threat to the agenda?
What school did Mr. Brennen attend…what was his GPA. What is his family life like? Does he have any “vices”? Any ideosyncrasies the agency could exploit-sexual or other? What “type” of people does he usually hang around with? What is his exact financial situation?

idiosyncrasies
by definition
1. a characteristic, habit, mannerism, or the like, that is peculiar to an individual.
2. the physical constitution peculiar to an individual.
3. a peculiarity of the physical or the mental constitution, esp. susceptibility toward drugs, food, etc. Compare allergy (def. 1).

IS THIS IS HOW THIS AGENCY HAS OPERATED IN THE PAST?


richardawinkler
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Thank God. That was the dumbest thing ever, from the dumbest President ever. Waging war on terror is like waging war on evil, where do you start and you never end.


hirsute
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

Perhaps this is a realistic attempt to identify the things we are capable of doing. Since stopping terrorism is not one of those things, but killing innocents is, maybe we should simply declare war on children and the elderly?


Guest
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Finally. The Truth. Bush and Cheney Knew. But more than Knew, they Created the Terror!

Cheney's Energy Cartel threatened Taliban in Kabul in August, 2001, “Either you accept our carpet of gold (for N. Afghan oil & gas resources), or we will bury you with a carpet of bombs.”

What did they expect in response? Chocolate and roses?!


mredward
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

Glory be! No more Jihad, I hope our adminisration informed the Jihadists.


mike
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

I totally agree with the author that poverty and lack of proper education help breed terrorists. No educated, healthy and happy mind would ever hijak a plane or tie a suicide belt and blow in front of innocent people or in the market place in the name of the so-called almighty (whether that is God OR Allah).

The countries where some people are willing to die in the name of god are the product of the thuggish machinery that is at work in those countries. That is, the theology that the people are exposed to, their harsh realities of life, hopelessness, and corruption and nepotism rampant in the respective nations help manufacture sick bodies. Also, the “subject” produced by the any thuggish theology–whether it be radical christianity, hinduism, muslim (except BUDHHISM)–kills the reason of the person awakening the monster within.

So the best way to address this problem is massive education, good governance, and the erasure of poverty.


PCFree
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

As the mid-east (and most of the world) has become developed, modernized & educated, the populations there have lost their paitence for religious extremists. If we hadn't started our “crusade” by stirring up the hornet's nest. religious extremists would have very little support left in the world. Our stupid response to 9/11 led to many believing that the religious extremists were right about us!


troykendal
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

exactly, inspiration, leadership, hope, sincere intent to enlighten, and most of all-techniques and programs designed to empower the powerless.


donwood55
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

It appears that these blogs often lead to a polarization of ideas. Each writer, having given some serious thought to the issue, tries to sum up the possible solutions with a somewhat one-pronged proposal. Often, all who differ are seen as stupid and wrong and the answers are “my idea and nothing else.”
I suppose this is the fun in commenting on these stories because middle of the road responses are viewed as wimpy and boring.

But I feel that as we look at the progress in the war on terror, we have to admit that we are investing a lot of blood and bullets for a questionable payoff. Yes, we want to appear strong in the eyes of the world and avenge the evil done to us, but we must also be wise and realize that the enemy is more diffuse and difficult to define than we want to admit.

If you were walking down the street and someone slapped you in the back of the head then melted into the crowd, you would be angry and ready to fight but who would you fight? Do you punch out the next guy who looks like a smart-alec?
Or do you realize that you must be more aware and better prepared for the future?

We have been slapped, and we have a better idea of who slapped us but we are only partially aware. We do know that people under certain circumstances are likely to attack us if we are not clear about our next moves. But we must stop the childish labeling and name calling and engage in the tough negotiations and military strengthening that will allow us to address global needs while helping enemies know the limits of their power.

Polarized approaches only lead to weakness on the one side and senseless, unproductive bravado on the other. Thoughtful strategies may not satisfy the hawks and haters but they will achieve global support and power in the long run.


Anne
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

Then please explain to me the terrorist attacks in the 90's. There were several that happened and grew in intensity throughout the Clinton administration.


Anne
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

What should the response have been after the worst attack on American citizens ever? Should we have just ignored them? That's what we did in the 90's and the attacks grew in frequency and severity until they culminated on 9/11.


rmcelhany
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

hooray!!!!


jimmiewillis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

You don't really want an explaination but I'll give you one anyway. Don't think we've just started supporting strong men in arab country so that we could maintain our influence over their oil. That's been going on for quite sometime now.


troykendal
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

THANK YOU FOR THAT….sooooo funny sand comment!


beaupritchard
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:58 am

Good riddance to the global war on terror … this by no means means that if attacked we will not strike back. It just means a racheting back of the doctrine of preemption or as known on the block “little mans disease”


antonjacobsen
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:18 am

Finally somebody who understands that calling it a war on terrorism you give the terrorist a status only countries have. Terrorists are criminals and will be treated as criminals; hunt them down, give them a trail and lock them up. It will take a lot of glamour of the status of terrorist.


raymefigy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:32 am

We will never have concentration camps in America, we will call them something else.


Matt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:45 am

lin:
“The children of people who drink alcohol are more likely to be abused, but there is no causal link between alcohol consumption and child abuse, just correlation.”

Yes, and I suppose you believe that there's also no causal link between getting drunk and getting into an auto accident. For some reason, drunk people just *happen* to get into more accidents.


Matt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:51 am

That reply would almost make sense, if we'd captured bin Laden or caused the Taliban to cease to exist. Given that we accomplished neither, I'd say it doesn't make much sense. The unfortunate fact is that those responsible for that attack went up in flames that day – nobody to get revenge on.


Matt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:53 am

It's my observation that many on the Right don't want to discuss the real causes of terrorism: ignorance, poverty, apocalyptic fundamentalist religion, and lack of economic opportunity. It reminds them a little too much of their base.


serena1313
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:02 am

Bush's GWOT was part-n-parcel to an larger, but hidden agenda that allowed him to enact fundamental and profound changes — changes that would have been soundly rejected had Americans known beforehand — and used it to justify the unjustifiable.

After more than two-centuries, in one fell-swoop diplomacy, respect for international law, human rights, international co-operation, time-honoured treaties, etc… were cast-out, erased from US foreign policy and then replaced with unilateralism, pre-emptive war, bellicose rhetoric, torture, assassinations, renditions etc…

Shortly thereafter a lot of the country had become enveloped in fear and paranoia. And Bush was more than eager to exploit that. Whereby America's commitment to truth, justice, freedom, the law, equality, liberty faltered. We came within a hair of losing our cherished values because some were willing to give up freedom for security.

I have long argued that Bush elevated al-Qaeda's stature to one of prominence. His GWOT did more for “terrorist” recruitment than al_Qaeda ever dreamt. By eliminating “GWOT”, “terrorism”, “jihad” et al from the national discussion changes that dynamic.

Aside from (ugh!) leaving some of Bush's policies in-tact, Obama — on-the-most-part — has improved America's foreign policy agenda as well as America's image.

Brennan, on the other hand, gives me pause for the simple reason: his reluctance to renounce the Bush administration's actions suggests he may believe the GWOT justifies the unjustifiable.

That is unacceptable.


Anne
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:07 am

What does make sense is that 9/11 was last major attack on American citizens. The attacks continued through the 90's while we turned a blind eye. Once we attacked them and put them on defense they were not able to successfully execute an offensive. If we go back to a “leave them to their business” mentality we will be attacked again.


hdtvinformation
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:42 am

lolololol


dumbamerican
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:09 am

it's also hiroshima day


carlinnyc
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:51 am

In the 1920s the US had concentration camps. Of course, nothing like what the Nazis had.


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Longstreet
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

Sir,

What a clever idea, a “New Deal” for those the Democrats consider our little brown Muslim brothers! Just give them jobs and better teeth and they will abandon their religion. It worked for the Democrats in the United States, why not in the Islamic world!

Well, it will not work, and all Brennan has done is prove that the Democrats are as feckless as the Republicans, and probably even more dangerous to America. Muslims hate the impact of U.S. foreign policy –especially re Israel and Arab tyrants — and until that is changed America will be attacked. This simple, factual equation seems beyond the grasp of our bipartisan governing elite.

Will Obama make changes? The answer is in your picture of the Israel-Firster Emanuel watching Brennan to make sure he stays on script.

Respectfully,

M.F. Scheuer
Falls Church, VA


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Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

danielcp

Let’s bring it on punk. I passed my 21 st birthday in Viet Nam, being shot
at and missed, being shit on and hit. While every war mongering, John Wayne,
pseudo, Republican jerk like you was lying and cheating his way through
perpetual school like Cheney and Bush or was squandering daddy’s money on
ganja or crack some of us were fighting. So don’t give me any of your crap.
What would a punk like you know about “them or us”. For little guys like you
it’s “either them or one of my friends”, never “them or us” because us
would include you. How much reasoning have you done while eating dirt with
incoming fly overhead? None. Zilch. Nada. Look in the mirror little man.

Real men don’t have a problem talking with their enemies. Real men don’t
have a problem admitting they made a mistake. Real men use their heads for
something other then a place to sit their Kevlar.

Obama’s the idiot? Did Obama put the country into a shooting war we couldn’t
win? Are five thousand (and counting) GIs and 100,000s of thousands of
innocents dieing or maimed because of Obama? Did Obama hold back our
boys and let Ben Ladin walk through the lines of Afghan irregulars and out
of danger in Tora Bora? Was it Obama who controlled the Congress and the
White House and used them both to plunge the country into record debt and
the worst recession since the 1930′s? Was it Obama who watched New Orleans
drowning and threw them a lead life preserver? Was it Obama who let a bunch
of Arabs keep on taking flying lessons after the FBI spotted them and told
his government? Was it Obama who denies the world is warming? Was it Obama
or Bush and the GOP Congress who watched America’s industry shut down and
move to China and India? Give me a break punk. You guys screwed up miserably
and your not man enough to take responsibility.

Who’s better qualified to run the country? Sarah the quitter Palin? John I’m
180 years old McCain? How about Chuck Norris? Oops, I meant Preacher
Huckaby? Maybe flip, flop, flip Slick Hair?

Bush had his eight years and he screwed up big time. You guys are so afraid
that Obama, horrors a black man no less, will succeed that you have spent
every day since the people, not the Supreme Court, elected him trying to
bring him down. It won’t work Charlie Brown,
we the people have his back.

One last thing Danny Boy, the “cp” sure doesn’t stand for cop or corporal so
quit pretending like you’re one. If you apologize I may take your next
email.

* Report


danielcp
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

Both obama and John Brennan are educated cowards. They use words like “soft power” and are so naive they actually believe all that crap they spew about diplomacy while the world laughed at the fool obama doing his apology tour. Let's all sit down, hold hands and sing kumbaya.

They are so full of themselves they actually believe they are the first administration to try talking with our sworn enemies. This only depicts a great lack of understanding, a serious lack of experience. He's doing his master bin laden's bidding in making us weak on several fronts, the economy, our military budgets, and moral of our troops. No one wants to serve under this educated idiot with no life experinece.


danielcp
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

No MickeyA1, your cowardice along with your great leader's cowardice is whats wrong and there is ZERO change of you understanding that. Perhaps when you've passed your 21 birthday and have seen at least some of the world you just might understand there are people in this world you just cannot reason with. It's either them or us. Of course many have learned that already however, we as a nation now have to step back and allow this idiot obama to learn that lesson. Call it a war on terror, call it whatever you like, it's still the same problem and appointing a czar is not going to solve the problem. More stupid moves from the person that has no qualifications for the job. Impeach obama as soon as possible. that is our only real hope.


danielcp
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

Right, Left Center… what is your problem? You define yourself with being left? What kind of crap is that? Do you think it matters to your enemies whether you're left, right, center? Get a clue Matty Chatty. Many on the “left” feel it's our job to take care of the world however these immature lofty ideals created while peering through pretty little rose colored glasses formulated in ultra liberal colleges rarely ever offer up any kind of viable solutions. Ever notice that… other than “lets sit down and talk to them” yeah, like thats NEVER been tried in the past right? Or maybe you think you have the words that will make them lay down their weapons and hold our hand? How old are you 3?
Discuss the issues, talk, more talk, more discussion, then boom a couple thousand US citizens are killed and you want to talk some more… ? Lets analize why they're mad at us… talk talk talk and nothing get accomplished. Educated Idiots.


danielcp
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

People you really need to read this again…

” Brennan said. “What we don’t want to do is just have a bunch of CT [counterterrorism] people in a room saying, ‘OK, what can we do here.’”

Excuse me idiot, why exactly did you hire them if not to do counterterrorism planning? This is another area osama… er I mean obama is doing all he can to weaken this country. They don't want counterterroist to do their job… it's right here in black and white. They are too worried about how it will make osama look to his muslim brothers. People WAKE UP!!


Anne
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

The 1990's Clinton administration brought frequent attacks on US establishments. The 2000s brought us 1 attack that was September 11. After that we took the fight to them. We have now gone 8 years without a successful attack on American installations. Spain and France saw increased attacks.
Now, in the 2010's you want to go back to the Clinton era of ignore them and they'll go away in spite of historical evidence to the contrary. Your pathological hatred of Bush aside, even you cannot deny the simple fact that the program worked.


batousghost
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

No danielcp the problem is extremist viewpoints in general. Sure it would be nice if the world's problems were solvable by force every time, but they aren't. You write in vast generalizations, using your little buzzwords like ultra-liberal,rose-colored glasses, etc., while calling people children because they don't agree with the cartoon major's viewpoint on Metal Gear Solid. YOU are the child. If I needed to see Fox viewpoints I'd watch Fox. If you really want to participate in the debate over how to deal with terrorists – and thereby help to solve this insidious problem in a truly democratic way – then you might consider acting like anyone else could have a legitimate view, even if you don't agree with that view
People all over the world are being killed for terrible reasons every day. We Americans aren't the only victims, nor are we the only ones who count. Do you really think diplomacy never works? If so you are hopelessly naive, as diplomacy clearly has worked before. Perhaps you think violence is the only answer, or that any other approach slights the military, or that a bully is the same thing as a leader. Impeach Obama? At least the man was legitimately elected, and represents most of the country instead of a few narrow special interests, like the rich, priveleged, white minority that you appear to identify with. Not that any of those people sent their kids off to fight the wars for “American interests”. Debate honestly or go away.


batousghost
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

It was also the first major attack on US citizens, Anne. Furthermore it would be very difficult to continue something in the 90's that first occured in 2001. And if you think we turned a blind eye in the 90's you have forgotten about the '93 WTC bombing, which was successfully prosecuted under CLINTON, whose administration was the first to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort. His administration also prevented attacks at the UN, the FBI building, Washington's Israeli embassy, the airports in LA and Boston, the Lincoln tunnel, the Holland tunnel, the George Washington bridge,and the US embassy in Albania. Our president PREVENTED those attacks, so how does someone as purportedly well-informed as you not know that? Oh, and as far as us attacking the terrorists, when did that happen? You mean we captured Bin Laden? Or do you mean we went in and massacred thousands of Iraqis, none of whom had anything to do with 9/11. I feel sure, somehow, that you support that president's choices in this matter. I guess My Pet Goat represents the intellectual level that we need to deal with as intractable a problem as terorism. Clinton never left them to their business; W the chimp did that while “avenging” his father in Mesopotamia (you mean we lost the first gulf war?). So if you want to discuss defeating the terrorists, you might want to get your facts straight. Otherwise, you risk looking like the proverbial pigeon.


Anne
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

OK, you want facts here:

Feb 26 1993: USA, NYC, World Trade Center A bomb planted in an underground car parked at the World Trade Center 6 killed, 1000 injured Four Muslim fundamentalists are convicted of conspiracy and other charges related to the bombing, thought to have been ordered by Saudi terror master Osama bin Laden. In 1998, the so-called mastermind, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, is convicted and sentenced to life plus 240 years in prison.

July 1993: Lima, Peru Bomb explodes in bus outside embassy One killed Shining Path guerrillas suspected

March 1995: Karachi, Pakistan, U.S. Consulate Murder Two American diplomats killed Possible retaliation for World Trade Center bombing conviction

April 19 1995: USA, Oklahoma City Car bomb left outside a federal building 168 killed, 600 injured Timothy McVeigh, 33, a member of an anarchist group hostile to the federal government, is convicted of the attack in 1997 and is executed in June 2001.

September 1995: Moscow, U.S. Embassy Rocket-propelled grenade Minor damage No suspects

Oct 1995: USA, train travelling between Miami and Los Angeles and derailed in Arizona Derailed by sabotage. Two of the bolts on one of the joints of the track were removed.

1 killed, 80 injured Previously unknown group calling themselves “The Sons of the Gestapo”.

November 1995: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, U.S. military headquarters Bomb Seven killed Four anti-royal Saudi Arabian dissidents, possible connections to Party of God an Iran; beheaded in Saudi Arabia

February 1996: Athens, U.S. Embassy Anti-tank missile attack No injuries National Struggle terrorist group
June 1996: Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, Khobar Towers Truck bomb 19 U.S. airmen killed Unknown

July 1996: USA, Centenary Park in Atlanta, Georgia. Olympic Games. Bomb 2 killed, 110 injured

November 1997: Karachi, Pakistan Murder of American oil-company employees Five killed Possible revenge for U.S. conviction of Pakistani for murders of two CIA agents

May 1998: Unabomber sentenced to life Parcel bombings 3 killed, 28 injured Theodore Kaczynski, alias the “Unabomber”, is sentenced to life imprisonment for an 18-year campaign of parcel bombings as part of an “anti-modernist” crusade

June 1998: Lebanon, U.S. Embassy Rocket-propelled grenades No injuries

August 1998: Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, U.S. embassies Simultaneous bombings 263 killed, 5000 injured Possibly Osama bin Laden, Saudi financier

October 2000: The Destroyer USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden Bomb blast 17 killed

September 11, 2001:
USA, NYC, World Trade Center, Pentagon, Pensylvania Airplane crashes Over 6000 killed, thousands injured Possibly Osama Bin Laden with the help of the Taliban and international cells and states.

If Clinton did so much to protecting us by prosecuting one guy why did the attacks continue?


batousghost
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

Wow, you are the poster child for illustrating the difference between chronological age and mental age, aren't you? There are people in this world with whom one cannot reason, it's true, and nearly all of them are extremists of one stripe or another. Those people will always believe what they believe, being zealots, and they always have this “us-or-them” mentality. Rather than offering a constructive plan or any real input, they belittle their opponents and oversimplify everything; their worldview can't function if the actual subtleties of life are considered, so they make no allowance for such. Appointing a czar doesn't solve anything by itself, but it is a start. Dropping more bombs, often on people who have nothing to do with the conflict, doesn't solve anything, it just creates more problems, more terrorist recruiting, more need for an eternal mitilary struggle… oh, I see why you like this view! You aren't military by any chance are you? And President Obama (see how to use a shift key?) is eminently qualified for the job of President, unlike the bozo who stole two elections and attacked the wrong country while giving our treasury away to the rich. Grow up – THAT is our only real hope.


batousghost
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Hmm so your argument is that because every terrorist attack in the world wasn't prevented by the President of one country, then he did nothing? Most of your examples have nothing to do with bin Laden or his followers, nor are they linked to one another. Also, I count five convictions in your first example alone, so where does “prosecuting one guy” fit into this (incidentally, the Justice Department prosecuted these criminals, not Clinton himself, but I'm sure you meant under Clinton's administration). You didn't reject any of the examples I gave of successful prevention, hopefully because you realize they're true examples of a pattern of prevention. That is the pattern we need to emulate, not randomly writing “Sons of the Gestapo” (when? where?) as if it were a counterexample. There is no IF Clinton protected us – he did! The attacks of 9/11 occured under his successor, who for some weird reason isn't getting any heat for that fact, nor for his bumbling and inept responses, though they cost us the capture of any of the hijackers who killed our fellow citizens. Is this about stopping terrorism or bashing the left?
If you want to know why the terror attacks continue, I'll tell you my thoughts, as you seem interested. Arab and Muslim rage at the US is an old problem, and stems largely from the fact that we allowed Israel to become an undeclared nuclear-armed state; in fact, we helped them do this. No one wants to mention the gorilla in the room, but there it is. Our legitimacy in the Middle East is suspect as a result. Every president has had to deal with this issue, and although the Reagan administrations had their share of terror incidents (more than any until GWB, in fact), things did heat up with the culmination of the Cold War. Perhaps you know that WE armed the Taliban, as well as Iraq and Iran, and thereby sowed the seeds of this conflict.
None of this justifies the actions of terrorists, of course. We have a duty as a sovereign nation to protect ourselves, and sometimes that can be messy. But we also have a duty to learn from past mistakes and try to avoid repeating them. How does sitting around and demonizing the left do that?


Anne
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

I hope you're right. Our lives depend on it.


batousghost
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Well, you certainly know how to caricature the leader of the free world. Sadly, at least for you, caricature is rarely a true reflection of reality, and in this case it's basically made up. Cowards? You mean they aren't stupid bullies like the jerks who ran our country into the dirt for 20 of the past 29 years? Such a disgrace… The world laughed (not that so much laughter would be a bad thing)? I suppose it's preferrable to have the world sit back in horror while we launch illegal wars against countries that never attacked us? Comparing OBAMA to bin Laden (see that shift key again?) or to a camp counselor singing kumbaya is not only insulting to the man, it shows that you have neither taken the time to review his actual policies nor to compare them to other efforts in the past, with an eye to what has worked and what has not. Such silliness is a disservice to everyone alive, sir. Nice to see that I called that military thing correctly though; sorry if you don't like serving under the CIC but please, be honest why; I can guess the real reason. Educated idiot? sigh… That must mean you finished law school and know what an educated non-idiotic view is. Regardless, it's a better view than a noneducated idiot's. More hostile anti-intellectualism from the frothing right is only further proof that such views are increasingly consigned to the dustbin of history. Where they should be,


batousghost
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

I hope so too, but our lives depend on a lot more than that. One thing that they depend on is not tearing ourselves apart because we can't tell a terrorist from a dissenting viewpoint. Equating leaders in this country with terrorists, regardless of political persuasion, is disingenuous and only serves to further undermine our power in the world. Who are we trying to save from death at the hands of these murderers? Everyone, or just everyone who agrees with Rush? We must stand together to win through, not pull ourselves apart.


batousghost
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

serena1313, right on! Why the past eight years have caused amnesia on the right, when clear evidence emerged for the ineffectiveness of the very routes that many here are advocating, is a mystery to me. No one put blame on Bush Sr for the WTC attack in '93, as Clinton had been president for a few days and he was in charge. Why then is Jr so blithely let off the hook for a calamity that it's clear he and others knew about and did not try to forestall, even though HE was in charge for several months by then? It's crazy stuff, better for a pulp novel but unfortunately really happened. There is a word for those who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions, and that word is children. When you grow up, and persist in shaping reality to fit your preconceptions, the word is sociopath. All the playground bullies need to get out, because their time is done. They failed. Sorry if you don't like the new approach, but your approach failed miserably. That's why the Dems now control the Congress and the White House, and the Reps control their little talk-radio crowd. The neocon approach did not work. Get it?


batousghost
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

Matt, please take a logic course before trying to refute logic with illogic. It's just embarrassing. Correlation doesn't let anyone off the hook. Why would you resist trying to understand the distinction between it and causality? Your counterexample is not only inaccurate, it seems like you want to make Lin into a drunk driving advocate. That's a little low. The point is clearly stated and doesn't need to be twisted like that.


MickeyA1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

Let's bring it on punk. I passed my 21 st birthday in Viet Nam, being shot
at and missed, being shit on and hit. While every war mongering, John Wayne,
pseudo, Republican jerk like you was lying and cheating his way through
perpetual school like Cheney and Bush or was squandering daddy's money on
ganja or crack some of us were fighting. So don't give me any of your crap.
What would a punk like you know about “them or us”. For little guys like you
it's “either them or one of my friends”, never “them or us” because us
would include you. How much reasoning have you done while eating dirt with
incoming fly overhead? None. Zilch. Nada. Look in the mirror little man.

Real men don't have a problem talking with their enemies. Real men don't
have a problem admitting they made a mistake. Real men use their heads for
something other then a place to sit their Kevlar.

Obama's the idiot? Did Obama put the country into a shooting war we couldn't
win? Are five thousand (and counting) GIs and 100,000s of thousands of
innocents die or become maimed because of Obama? Did Obama hold back our
boys and let Ben Ladin walk through the lines of Afghan irregulars and out
of danger in Tora Bora? Was it Obama who controlled the Congress and the
White House and used them both to plunge the country into record debt and
the worst recession since the 1930's? Was it Obama who watched New Orleans
drowning and threw them a lead life preserver? Was it Obama who let a bunch
of Arabs keep on taking flying lessons after the FBI spotted them and told
his government? Was it Obama who denies the world is warming? Was it Obama
or Bush and the GOP Congress who watched America's industry shut down and
move to China and India? Give me a break punk. You guys screwed up miserably
and your not man enough to take responsibility.

Who's better qualified to run the country? Sarah the quitter Palin? John I'm
180 years old McCain? How about Chuck Norris? Oops, I meant Preacher
Huckaby? Maybe flip, flop, flip Slick Hair?

Bush had his eight years and he screwed up big time. You guys are so afraid
that Obama, horrors a black man no less, will succeed that you have spent
every day since the people, not the Supreme Court, elected him trying to
bring him down. It won't work Charlie Brown,
we the people have his back.

One last thing Danny Boy, the “cp” sure doesn't stand for cop or corporal so
quit pretending like you're one. If you apologize I may take your next
email.


MickeyA1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Let's bring it on punk. I passed my 21 st birthday in Viet Nam, being shot
at and missed, being shit on and hit. While every war mongering, John Wayne,
pseudo, Republican jerk like you was lying and cheating his way through
perpetual school like Cheney and Bush or was squandering daddy's money on
ganja or crack some of us were fighting. So don't give me any of your crap.
What would a punk like you know about “them or us”. For little guys like you
it's “either them or one of my friends”, never “them or us” because us
would include you. How much reasoning have you done while eating dirt with
incoming fly overhead? None. Zilch. Nada. Look in the mirror little man.

Real men don't have a problem talking with their enemies. Real men don't
have a problem admitting they made a mistake. Real men use their heads for
something other then a place to sit their Kevlar.

Obama's the idiot? Did Obama put the country into a shooting war we couldn't
win? Are five thousand (and counting) GIs and 100,000s of thousands of
innocents die or become maimed because of Obama? Did Obama hold back our
boys and let Ben Ladin walk through the lines of Afghan irregulars and out
of danger in Tora Bora? Was it Obama who controlled the Congress and the
White House and used them both to plunge the country into record debt and
the worst recession since the 1930's? Was it Obama who watched New Orleans
drowning and threw them a lead life preserver? Was it Obama who let a bunch
of Arabs keep on taking flying lessons after the FBI spotted them and told
his government? Was it Obama who denies the world is warming? Was it Obama
or Bush and the GOP Congress who watched America's industry shut down and
move to China and India? Give me a break punk. You guys screwed up miserably
and your not man enough to take responsibility.

Who's better qualified to run the country? Sarah the quitter Palin? John I'm
180 years old McCain? How about Chuck Norris? Oops, I meant Preacher
Huckaby? Maybe flip, flop, flip Slick Hair?

Bush had his eight years and he screwed up big time. You guys are so afraid
that Obama, horrors a black man no less, will succeed that you have spent
every day since the people, not the Supreme Court, elected him trying to
bring him down. It won't work Charlie Brown,
we the people have his back.

One last thing Danny Boy, the “cp” sure doesn't stand for cop or corporal so
quit pretending like you're one. If you apologize I may take your next
email.


MickeyA1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Let's bring it on punk. I passed my 21 st birthday in Viet Nam, being shot
at and missed, being shit on and hit. While every war mongering, John Wayne,
pseudo, Republican jerk like you was lying and cheating his way through
perpetual school like Cheney and Bush or was squandering daddy's money on
ganja or crack some of us were fighting. So don't give me any of your crap.
What would a punk like you know about “them or us”. For little guys like you
it's “either them or one of my friends”, never “them or us” because us
would include you. How much reasoning have you done while eating dirt with
incoming fly overhead? None. Zilch. Nada. Look in the mirror little man.

Real men don't have a problem talking with their enemies. Real men don't
have a problem admitting they made a mistake. Real men use their heads for
something other then a place to sit their Kevlar.

Obama's the idiot? Did Obama put the country into a shooting war we couldn't
win? Are five thousand (and counting) GIs and 100,000s of thousands of
innocents die or become maimed because of Obama? Did Obama hold back our
boys and let Ben Ladin walk through the lines of Afghan irregulars and out
of danger in Tora Bora? Was it Obama who controlled the Congress and the
White House and used them both to plunge the country into record debt and
the worst recession since the 1930's? Was it Obama who watched New Orleans
drowning and threw them a lead life preserver? Was it Obama who let a bunch
of Arabs keep on taking flying lessons after the FBI spotted them and told
his government? Was it Obama who denies the world is warming? Was it Obama
or Bush and the GOP Congress who watched America's industry shut down and
move to China and India? Give me a break punk. You guys screwed up miserably
and your not man enough to take responsibility.

Who's better qualified to run the country? Sarah the quitter Palin? John I'm
180 years old McCain? How about Chuck Norris? Oops, I meant Preacher
Huckaby? Maybe flip, flop, flip Slick Hair?

Bush had his eight years and he screwed up big time. You guys are so afraid
that Obama, horrors a black man no less, will succeed that you have spent
every day since the people, not the Supreme Court, elected him trying to
bring him down. It won't work Charlie Brown,
we the people have his back.

One last thing Danny Boy, the “cp” sure doesn't stand for cop or corporal so
quit pretending like you're one. If you apologize I may take your next
email.


MickeyA1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Let's bring it on punk. I passed my 21 st birthday in Viet Nam, being shot
at and missed, being shit on and hit. While every war mongering, John Wayne,
pseudo, Republican jerk like you was lying and cheating his way through
perpetual school like Cheney and Bush or was squandering daddy's money on
ganja or crack some of us were fighting. So don't give me any of your crap.
What would a punk like you know about “them or us”. For little guys like you
it's “either them or one of my friends”, never “them or us” because us
would include you. How much reasoning have you done while eating dirt with
incoming fly overhead? None. Zilch. Nada. Look in the mirror little man.

Real men don't have a problem talking with their enemies. Real men don't
have a problem admitting they made a mistake. Real men use their heads for
something other then a place to sit their Kevlar.

Obama's the idiot? Did Obama put the country into a shooting war we couldn't
win? Are five thousand (and counting) GIs and 100,000s of thousands of
innocents die or become maimed because of Obama? Did Obama hold back our
boys and let Ben Ladin walk through the lines of Afghan irregulars and out
of danger in Tora Bora? Was it Obama who controlled the Congress and the
White House and used them both to plunge the country into record debt and
the worst recession since the 1930's? Was it Obama who watched New Orleans
drowning and threw them a lead life preserver? Was it Obama who let a bunch
of Arabs keep on taking flying lessons after the FBI spotted them and told
his government? Was it Obama who denies the world is warming? Was it Obama
or Bush and the GOP Congress who watched America's industry shut down and
move to China and India? Give me a break punk. You guys screwed up miserably
and your not man enough to take responsibility.

Who's better qualified to run the country? Sarah the quitter Palin? John I'm
180 years old McCain? How about Chuck Norris? Oops, I meant Preacher
Huckaby? Maybe flip, flop, flip Slick Hair?

Bush had his eight years and he screwed up big time. You guys are so afraid
that Obama, horrors a black man no less, will succeed that you have spent
every day since the people, not the Supreme Court, elected him trying to
bring him down. It won't work Charlie Brown,
we the people have his back.

One last thing Danny Boy, the “cp” sure doesn't stand for cop or corporal so
quit pretending like you're one. If you apologize I may take your next
email.


spencerackerman
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

Mike, is that really you? “Little brown Muslim brothers?” Really? Rahm Emanuel an “Israel-firster”? This is beneath you.


MickeyA1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Let's bring it on punk. I passed my 21 st birthday in Viet Nam, being shot
at and missed, being shit on and hit. While every war mongering, John Wayne,
pseudo, Republican jerk like you was lying and cheating his way through
perpetual school like Cheney and Bush or was squandering daddy's money on
ganja or crack some of us were fighting. So don't give me any of your crap.
What would a punk like you know about “them or us”. For little guys like you
it's “either them or one of my friends”, never “them or us” because us
would include you. How much reasoning have you done while eating dirt with
incoming fly overhead? None. Zilch. Nada. Look in the mirror little man.

Real men don't have a problem talking with their enemies. Real men don't
have a problem admitting they made a mistake. Real men use their heads for
something other then a place to sit their Kevlar.

Obama's the idiot? Did Obama put the country into a shooting war we couldn't
win? Are five thousand (and counting) GIs and 100,000s of thousands of
innocents die or become maimed because of Obama? Did Obama hold back our
boys and let Ben Ladin walk through the lines of Afghan irregulars and out
of danger in Tora Bora? Was it Obama who controlled the Congress and the
White House and used them both to plunge the country into record debt and
the worst recession since the 1930's? Was it Obama who watched New Orleans
drowning and threw them a lead life preserver? Was it Obama who let a bunch
of Arabs keep on taking flying lessons after the FBI spotted them and told
his government? Was it Obama who denies the world is warming? Was it Obama
or Bush and the GOP Congress who watched America's industry shut down and
move to China and India? Give me a break punk. You guys screwed up miserably
and your not man enough to take responsibility.

Who's better qualified to run the country? Sarah the quitter Palin? John I'm
180 years old McCain? How about Chuck Norris? Oops, I meant Preacher
Huckaby? Maybe flip, flop, flip Slick Hair?

Bush had his eight years and he screwed up big time. You guys are so afraid
that Obama, horrors a black man no less, will succeed that you have spent
every day since the people, not the Supreme Court, elected him trying to
bring him down. It won't work Charlie Brown,
we the people have his back.

One last thing Danny Boy, the “cp” sure doesn't stand for cop or corporal so
quit pretending like you're one. If you apologize I may take your next
email.


MickeyA1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:49 pm

Let's bring it on punk. I passed my 21 st birthday in Viet Nam, being shot
at and missed, being shit on and hit. While every war mongering, John Wayne,
pseudo, Republican jerk like you was lying and cheating his way through
perpetual school like Cheney and Bush or was squandering daddy's money on
ganja or crack some of us were fighting. So don't give me any of your crap.
What would a punk like you know about “them or us”. For little guys like you
it's “either them or one of my friends”, never “them or us” because us
would include you. How much reasoning have you done while eating dirt with
incoming fly overhead? None. Zilch. Nada. Look in the mirror little man.

Real men don't have a problem talking with their enemies. Real men don't
have a problem admitting they made a mistake. Real men use their heads for
something other then a place to sit their Kevlar.

Obama's the idiot? Did Obama put the country into a shooting war we couldn't
win? Are five thousand (and counting) GIs and 100,000s of thousands of
innocents die or become maimed because of Obama? Did Obama hold back our
boys and let Ben Ladin walk through the lines of Afghan irregulars and out
of danger in Tora Bora? Was it Obama who controlled the Congress and the
White House and used them both to plunge the country into record debt and
the worst recession since the 1930's? Was it Obama who watched New Orleans
drowning and threw them a lead life preserver? Was it Obama who let a bunch
of Arabs keep on taking flying lessons after the FBI spotted them and told
his government? Was it Obama who denies the world is warming? Was it Obama
or Bush and the GOP Congress who watched America's industry shut down and
move to China and India? Give me a break punk. You guys screwed up miserably
and your not man enough to take responsibility.

Who's better qualified to run the country? Sarah the quitter Palin? John I'm
180 years old McCain? How about Chuck Norris? Oops, I meant Preacher
Huckaby? Maybe flip, flop, flip Slick Hair?

Bush had his eight years and he screwed up big time. You guys are so afraid
that Obama, horrors a black man no less, will succeed that you have spent
every day since the people, not the Supreme Court, elected him trying to
bring him down. It won't work Charlie Brown,
we the people have his back.

One last thing Danny Boy, the “cp” sure doesn't stand for cop or corporal so
quit pretending like you're one. If you apologize I may take your next
email.


MickeyA1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Let's bring it on punk. I passed my 21 st birthday in Viet Nam, being shot
at and missed, being shit on and hit. While every war mongering, John Wayne,
pseudo, Republican jerk like you was lying and cheating his way through
perpetual school like Cheney and Bush or was squandering daddy's money on
ganja or crack some of us were fighting. So don't give me any of your crap.
What would a punk like you know about “them or us”. For little guys like you
it's “either them or one of my friends”, never “them or us” because us
would include you. How much reasoning have you done while eating dirt with
incoming fly overhead? None. Zilch. Nada. Look in the mirror little man.

Real men don't have a problem talking with their enemies. Real men don't
have a problem admitting they made a mistake. Real men use their heads for
something other then a place to sit their Kevlar.

Obama's the idiot? Did Obama put the country into a shooting war we couldn't
win? Are five thousand (and counting) GIs and 100,000s of thousands of
innocents die or become maimed because of Obama? Did Obama hold back our
boys and let Ben Ladin walk through the lines of Afghan irregulars and out
of danger in Tora Bora? Was it Obama who controlled the Congress and the
White House and used them both to plunge the country into record debt and
the worst recession since the 1930's? Was it Obama who watched New Orleans
drowning and threw them a lead life preserver? Was it Obama who let a bunch
of Arabs keep on taking flying lessons after the FBI spotted them and told
his government? Was it Obama who denies the world is warming? Was it Obama
or Bush and the GOP Congress who watched America's industry shut down and
move to China and India? Give me a break punk. You guys screwed up miserably
and your not man enough to take responsibility.

Who's better qualified to run the country? Sarah the quitter Palin? John I'm
180 years old McCain? How about Chuck Norris? Oops, I meant Preacher
Huckaby? Maybe flip, flop, flip Slick Hair?

Bush had his eight years and he screwed up big time. You guys are so afraid
that Obama, horrors a black man no less, will succeed that you have spent
every day since the people, not the Supreme Court, elected him trying to
bring him down. It won't work Charlie Brown,
we the people have his back.

One last thing Danny Boy, the “cp” sure doesn't stand for cop or corporal so
quit pretending like you're one. If you apologize I may take your next
email.


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BornFree
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 1:13 pm

You think terrorism is dead? Take a look at this video. This happened recently, right here in this country. We should be very very afraid of not only this administration but these people as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g


batousghost
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

BF:
Who said anywhere that terrorism is dead? It's a matter of changing the tone and the approach to this problem, to delegitimize even further those who spread terror by not granting them the status of a group that we would need to declare WAR on. Do cops have to declare war on criminals before they can go after them? Etymologically it's silly as well; as has been noted elsewhere, declaring war on terrorism is akin to declaring war on evil. It may sound good (though to whom I'm not sure – the “Mission Accomplished” crowd maybe?) but it's obviously impossible to achieve. The only way to eradicate terrorism through military means is to kill everyone else on the planet, or at least enslave them all, and even then… you get the picture. This is very clear here; don't obfuscate.


Brendan_M
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Spencer, since when is a Paultard above racism, xenophobia, and anti-Semitic paranoia?


Brendan_M
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

You are the one who needs to read this again. Reading comprehension is an important part of literacy, you ignorant, racist moron, and you fail at it as miserably as you fail at being a decent human being.


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Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

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