‘Punkin’ the Birthers: Priceless’

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Thursday, August 06, 2009 at 1:18 pm

It’s looking more and more like the forged “Kenyan birth certificate” released by Orly Taitz on Sunday was a prank by a supporter of President Obama. Politijab points to an anonymous blogger at FearlessBlogging, who has uploaded four photos of the original forgery and a mocking declaration:

Fine cotton business paper: $11

Inkjet printer: $35

1940 Royal Model KMM manual typewriter: $10

2 Shilling coin: $1

Pilot Varsity fountain pen: $3

Punkin’ the Birthers: Priceless

First, there’s the original photo of the infamous forged certificate on a red, striped carpet, as it appeared on WorldNetDaily.

Picture 61

Then, a photo of a typewriter and special paper for making official-looking documents.

Picture 60

Then, a crumpled-up certificate:

Picture 59

Then, the punchline:

Picture 58

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rpl
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

Ory Taitz is a Russian KGB agent currently under deep cover working for Mossad!

Prove me wrong, birfers.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

It fell from the sky. God delivered it personally.


Lava Lee Pyre
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

LOLZ!


David
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Sorry, but a certificate of live birth IS NOT a birth certificate!


neonzx
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

I must say, the use of the coin to make the impression of an official looking “seal” was fantastic.


talkischeap
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

God, what fun! Although, I suspect you could have forged something on a crackerjack box and Oily Taint and her minions would buy it!


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

Yes, it is. Moron.


Lsharp
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

My daughter was born in Hawaii also. Her Certificate of Live Birth is just like his, and it is her legal form of identification. With it she has attended school, obtained a social security card, she works, and has a passport.


wfb812
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Classic stuff. Well done. What a bunch of douchebags these people are …


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

“I don’t have any evidence that BHO is not a natural born citizen, but it’s absurd to me that the original certificate isn’t being released.”

Elvis, what’s more absurd?

Obama not releasing the so called “long form” BC or a bunch of people asking the accused for proof of his innocence?

Besides when your enemy shot themselves in the foot (Or in this case believe the fake Kenyan BC) why would you take the gun away from them?


JohnC
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Beautiful! (In retrospect, I love how this person told Taitz his identity couldn't be revealed because he was “afraid for his life.” He/she has mastered the art of conservative paranoia.)

Now I expect Orly Taitz to claim to the court that the other three photos not previously revealed are themselves forgeries.


jezzi
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Can't wait for the spin on this one. :)


HickoryD
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

That's not a carpet. It's either a bedspread or a throw. But I can forgive your mistake — unlike the stupendous error made by the Birthers.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Gosh golly, what smashing fun!

Meanwhile – since Weigel is an “expert” in matters birth cert – maybe he'd like to help show that an AP reporter is lying.


slimslowslider
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

x 1000. so damn great.


peterprinciple
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Whoever did this just joined the Pantheon of the Immortal Gods of the Internet. I grovel at their feet.


Jim
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Thanks 24, been good for a load of laughs for us watching how you birthers twist and turn trying to make this an issue. Amazing how easily you call others liars, while ignoring your own…but, we've come to expect that from your group. Now, Hawaii releases Obama's BC to him, tells the world that they've seen the original and it is valid, and now you parse words to call others names. Sad, really, that you have so little cognitive ability and then complain about the superior intelligence of others.


Buffalopundit
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Whoever did this is a hero.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Maybe if you just stand on the street and scream out “Everyone is lying!” enough times, you'll feel better. Give it a try, 24BrainCellsInMyHeadDotCom.


marecek
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

I still have not heard Ms. Taitz explanation as to where she obtained this “birth certificate”. It is pretty obvious that such a document is worthless unless you can demonstrate that you obtained it from an authoritative source. To just have some harebrained loonie-toon like Orly Taitz pull this document out of her hat means it is entirely worthless.


David L Wiltshire, Jr.
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

Psssssssst!

Have fun wif a REAL birfer. You know you want to ;)

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5dcf400a14bd…


MoZeu
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

Out of her hat? That's charitable.


David L Wiltshire, Jr.
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

You ain't seen nothin'…

Have fun wif a real life birfer. You know you want to ;)

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5dcf400a14bd…


Blue Shark
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

You understand of course the next phase will be…

…O.k. O.k; He was in Hawai`i on Aug 4,1961 but there was a spaceship sighting that same night in the Hawaiian skies.

…Coincidence? We report…You decide.


ImaForuner
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Awww Two-four is upset cause the phony birth certificate was shown to be a phony…awwwwwwww! What exactly are you an “expert” in, aside from constantly whoring your own website? And where are all the postings on your website about how WND misleads/lies/backtracks/conveniently forgets pretty much everything it writes about?

It’s time to move out of your parent’s rec room and put on your big boy pants Two-four – maybe you can find a friend who will help clean up your website so that it looks less like your dog ate it and then barfed it back up.


David L Wiltshire, Jr.
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Here's a full personal profile of a real birfer. Let's have some fun (full contact info included)..!

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5dcf400a14bd…

;)


Tony S
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

I think we all could get in on this —just scan your own birth certificate, print out a copy, cut and paste your favorite country for Obama to be born in and adjust the data to August 4, 1961, parents' names, ages, etc.

I say: they want a birth certificate, give 'em a birth certificate!

They'll apparently believe anything. [You might also try throwing a stick for them to fetch...works for tea-baggers, too]


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

I think I'll pass on your mystery zip file, thankyouverymuch.


Bob
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

Like this?:

“Doesn’t look like the same stripe patterns in the table cloth on those pictures to me. Funny anyway….props to whoever of you lefties did it”


tesibria
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

? Do you believe Orly on that? All we know is what Orly said he said. And that's the standard “excuse” for ALL of their so-called witnesses, including the Kenyan one who apparently confirmed recently that his Kenyan BC is the exact same!


tesibria
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

HACK ALERT!!!! DO NOT DOWNLOAD ZIP WHICH CAN CONTAIN MALICIOUS FILES!!! DO NOT DOWNLOAD


tesibria
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

HACK ALERT!!!!
DO NOT DOWNLOAD ZIP WHICH CAN CONTAIN MALICIOUS FILES!!! DO NOT DOWNLOAD!!!!!


tesibria
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

HACK ALERT!!!!
DO NOT DOWNLOAD ZIP WHICH CAN CONTAIN MALICIOUS FILES!!! DO NOT DOWNLOAD!!!!!


THINK FIRST!
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

It's not anything executable. Jeez, people. I am trying to show you a good time!

Zip contents: two (2) text (.txt) files, two (2) jpeg (.jpg) files, one (1) pdf (.pdf) file.


THINK FIRST!
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

Your loss. You can see what's in it without running anything. Party pooper… :(


jillibrown
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

And the lemmings bought it. Hilarious!


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Yeah, I did think first. I thought, “no way am I downloading your mystery zip file.”

Keep your computer free of malicious software by not being stupid, folks.


JohnC
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Rationalists: Official document stating facts of Obama's birth, vouched by Hawaiian officials as accurate based upon records they state are in their possession. Contemporary Hawaiian newspaper announcements of Obama's birth. Personal college friend of the Obamas, now a U.S. congressman, who thinks that the idea that either Obama Sr. or Ann Dunham had the money to travel to Africa in 1961 is ridiculous.

Birthers: Cropped and misrepresented quote of Obama's relative in Africa. Unverified/unnamed Kenyan sources. Conspiracy theories that microfilms of Obama's birth announcement are forgeries and that Hawaiian officials are knowingly issuing fraudulent documents.

All things considered, I'll go with the rationalists.


24glblank24
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Of Course O.T.;the Truckstop Tramp will profess how she has the original and deign some fictitious microdifference between her copy and the Punk'd copy to whip the Wingnut Psychopaths into a Frenzy and the psychosis will continue. The Punk'd author spoke to the rational but in doing so gave the Wingnuts more meat. It's akin to debating Creationism. I can't wait until we get the Birther museum, complete with a Kenyan Obama Nativity scene.


Whirlaway
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

I was looking for a fountain pen. Thanks for the info about the “Pilot varsity fountain pen”. $3 is a reasonable price.

Long live the Birthers!


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mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

Maybe so, but if you look suspicious, don't expect people to trust you.


THINK FIRST!
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

There are place like Virustotal and Novirusthanks where you can scan any file you get before you run it. They have dozens of antivirus engines running concurrently for your protection.

I suggest taking a note of these two sites for next time. I found this site with a google search on how to have fun with birthers. Now you made me feel like some criminal. Thanks for being so mean. I'm out. You 5uck.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

What the “Birthers” need to realize is that even if BHO was born in HI and is telling the whole truth about his past, this whole issue can still be used to oppose BHO and his friends.

How is that? Here's how: by pointing out that the Obama's friends in the MSM have consistently lied about this issue. And, by lies I mean getting basic facts wrong and then failing to issue a correction. For instance, just yesterday Alex Koppelman lied. You don't have to be a “birther” to see he lied: all you have to do is be able to read and understand English and know the difference between true and false.

For an even more extreme example, CNN and the NYT just made something up. Both claimed that HI's governor said that BHO was born there, when that never happened. In fact, as can be seen at the link, HI's governor sends out a form letter in which she points out that it would be illegal for her to verify that BHO was born there.

If you're a “Birther” and you want to strike back at the anti-”Birthers”, help me show how the MSM has been lying about this issue.


luther blissett
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

Shorter Prince of all Birfers: dear fellow crazy birfers, even though we've made total idiots of ourselves, it's all good!

Was 24A's sense of embarrassment removed by a surgeon at an early age?


THINK FIRST!
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

You sound just like a birther yourself, shrieking in an unreasonable manner before having ascertained the facts.

I am sorely disappointed. You made me feel like a criminal. Thanks for the lesson.

What lesson? That there are “un-thinkers” on both sides… and a very sobering lesson it is.


THINK FIRST!
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

Virustotal

Novirusthanks

Please make a note of it. You guys are no fun at all.


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HoustonAttny
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

I've read everything I could get my hands on about this guy in the last two years and I know less about him now than I did at the beginning. He's definitely not who you think he is, whatever that is.

Despite his “poor-boy” myth, Obama is:

• a privileged African-American, educated at the finest schools, who has not shared the black American experience
• by birth, blood and training, a Muslim, who became a member of a Marxist, Black-African church
• a socialist whose politics are rooted in Marx and whose tactics were conceived by the communist, Alinsky
• a master at shaping his own mythology
• completely unqualified to be Commander in Chief
• and, he is not now, nor ever has been, a “natural born citizen”

Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no bona fides — no paper trail — nothing.
Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
Certification of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released (if one exists)
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records — Records lost (this is a big one — see here — read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None


Al
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

I downloaded the zip and my goldfish died.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Crazy ass birther.


Melanie Mink
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

How can there be adoption records if he was never adopted?


Melanie Mink
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Yeah. More like out her arse.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

Quit being a child. It's important for people to protect their machines from malicious software that is spread through the same means you use. If that's not what you are doing, fine, but you should know that your actions look suspicious.

This isn't being mean, it's being careful.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

Maybe if you just stand on the street and scream out “Everyone is lying!” enough times, you'll feel better. Give it a try, 24BrainCellsInMyHeadDotCom.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:05 am

And , as usual, the folks here refuse to look at logical arguments and address them ( because, well, they cant ) , so they ridicule them.
Guys and Gals, HoustonAttny put out some pretty credible information up above.
Obama doesnt want to show a real birth certificate. The only thing shown is a certificate of live birth ( electronically and we all know how easy it is to punk people ) , and he has no other open records.
He’s spent almost 1 million $’s avoiding showing a simple piece of paper in court when he could spend $10 or so and just show it to shut people up.
What is your reasoning, without insults and silly comments, on why you believe he’s a natural citizen. Is it really just because you voted to him and your hearts are to proud to say ” dangit , just show them the document president Obama” –
Because frankly, the certificate of live birth is NOT a long term birth certificate which has folks involved with the birth signing off that they were there to corraborate the date and time of the event, and you haven’t even seen that. You’ve seen a scanned copy online.
And we are on a thread discussing how easy it is to fake docs of exactly this type.

Lots of lack of logic ( boy, that was almost poetic wasnt it?) :-)


DeSwiss
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

An attorney, eh? Like Orly Taitz is an attorney. Riiiiight.

Look, get out of your mom's basement and into the sunlight. You'll feel a lot better…..


Elvis Dallas
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

the great tragedy is that there is such condemnation for anyone who doesn't accept what the “standard” belief is supposed to be. I don't have any evidence that BHO is not a natural born citizen, but it's absurd to me that the original certificate isn't being released – just do it and it will end that whole argument. People might still say that the original is faked (if they don't agree with BHO) but at least the argument that it hasn't been released is ended.

Why are people so aligned with a personality rather than their own values? Isn't this what we didn't like about George Bush and his die-hard followers?

:-( bummed at the general brainlessness everywhere.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

There are many problems with your screed, but just to pick on consider the “natural born citizen” part. You can say that all day long, but the only way you're going to convince others is with either a definitive legal case or with a series of legal scholars all saying he isn't an NBC.

Unfortunately, many “Birthers” don't seem to understand things like that. It isn't enough to simply state an opinion, you have to back it up and force others to agree with you even if they don't want to.

So, if you can't get a solid legal case and you can't get legal scholars to support you, then you're just spinning your wheels. One group can get legal scholars to weigh in on this: the MSM. And, the way you can do that is to help me discredit the MSM as discussed in the next comment from me.


SamR
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Oh my god, he's just a figment of our imaginations! NOOOO!!!!

Also, you forgot that in addition to being a black muslim communist socialist, he's also an atheist and an anarchist.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Yes, crazy internet birther, help this other crazy internet birther discredit the MSM. I'm sure you'll have it all wrapped up in a week or so. Birthers away!


jenny
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

If you've read everything you could get your hands on about Obama in the last two years and you know less about him now than you did at the beginning, then you really suck at reading.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Concern birther.


RyanV
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

No no, he's right! Clearly Obama does not exist! There's no one running the country! Run for your lives!!!


neonzx
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Like getting a dog to chase it's own tail, it's just too easy. :)

This wasn't the first punk job on the birthers, but it is, thus far, the absolute best.


slimslowslider
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

He's already released a completely legal form of proof of his birthplace.


slimslowslider
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

HoustonAttny, you sound brilliant. Please get in touch with Orly and help her as much as humanly possible! And copy and paste this list and send to everyone you know! Thanks.

(/sarcasm)


Denis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:37 am

My what a trial lawyer you must be! I’m sure you have considerable flair in front of a jury, positing all manner of things as “possible” (meaning “could be” & therefore “reasonable” doubt so my client must go free), no matter how unusual, even wild. Lawyers make interesting, even wild claims during questioning all the time. However……..

I’ts one thing to make claims in earshot of the jury from the podium or your table, QUITE another to say those same things on the witness stand, UNDER THE PAIN & PENALTY OF PERJURY! Are YOU willing to stand at the witness box facing the judge, and under the pain & penalty of perjury take the witness stand and be confronted by an advocate under the rules of evidence to back up each and every one of the statements you’ve made here? And do so knowing that for each false statement you would face disbarment, and even time in jail?

I didn’t think so!


Matt Taylor
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Actually I think you forgot the period.

its 2.4braincellsinmyhead.com


Matt Taylor
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Anyplace she pulled that certificate out of required a speculum and a flashlight.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:58 am

I totally agree with your post…Thanks…couldn’t have said it better!!


Ken Jackson
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

If there are no adoption records and he was never adopted then how was he born! Also note that he has no sons, or did he have them all murdered? Can someone find proof of his son's birth certificate, otherwise I think it's safe to assume that he had him killed before the certificate was made.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:04 am

What a jerkoff. Obama is a citizen and has already shown a copy of his birth certificate. Get over it you racist pig.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:09 am

Your stupidity really doesn’t deserve a comment.


DonQ
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

More precisely, “White people — run for your lives!”
(apologies to Dave Chappelle)


KenDunbar
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Orly Taitz never said the image that she posted was of a real document.

She aksed the court to please investigate if it is real.


KenDunbar
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

When the definition of natural born citizen EVER (if ever) is being determined in a court, they will have to include as evidence:

http://thelibertypole.ning.com/forum/topics/nat…


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

That's not the court's job. Taitz doesn't even know how our legal system works. That's what you get when you get your law degree from LawDegrees.com


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

Why would a court need to include your crazy ass blog posts as evidence?


TomE
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:23 am

Wow, that’s some list!

How he managed to “scrub clean” his passport records before becoming president must be a really interesting story, but I paricularly love the one about lost kindergarten records – “this is a big one” LMAO

You know what the best part is? This part must really sting…The majority of Americans voted for the “priviledged African-American, Muslim, Marxist, Black-African church-going, socialist, communist-tactics-following, unqualified, foriegn-born, master of mythology” to be the President of the United States and he was formally elected by the electoral college. I guess they didn’t care so much about his lack of footprints.

And I’d still choose the African-American-Muslim-Marxist-Myth every single time over another fake cowboy or Alaskan pageant contestant, neither of whom had the brains to locate their own hindquarters if you gave them a map and directions. Whether or not you think Hawaii counts as a real state, we all know Obama would have to be smart as heck to pull off a con of that magnitude. Right? I’ll stick with the brainy guy.

In fact, as long as the GOP stays the party of no-good, dirty, thieving, lying, cheating, corporate stooges who wrote the laws banking and securities laws that led to the current economic crisis and continue to sell us out to the highest bidder on every issue, I expect their numbers will continue to dwindle.


Marvin
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

Hilarious!

Birthers have to be the stupidest people on earth (and that's saying a lot.)


KenDunbar
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

if you would dare open that link of mine, you would see that it is a listing of historical documentation, with links to such “crazy ass” sites as Cornell University and the University of Virginia.


Richie Boy
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

And your point is what you ignorant Schmuck?????


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

I already did follow the link to your incoherent collection of quotes, which in addition to university websites links to places like Free Republic. Again, why would a court need to admit a bunch of quotes you collected on the internet as evidence. Do you even know what the word evidence means?


justobservant
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Just goes to show you: when you want a fake document that looks really good, look to the Democratic party (particularly, in this case, the Obamanation). Dan Rather must have inspired some really creative people.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

Just goes to show you: when you want to fool a group of gullible idiots, there's no better bunch than the birthers.


MsJoanne
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

Not just birthers…all the dumba$$es of the gooper base. They are being taken advantage of by those wonderful people in the healthcare industry to ensure that they, themselves have crappy health insurance, and that the insurance companies continue to make tons of cash while denying care. They are being taken advantage of by corporations who want to pay less and less. And they are too stupid to realize that they are fighting against their own interests. Again.

They, over the last 20 years, have been conditioned to hate anything democratic, including their own country, so much that if a dem does anything, even in their benefit, they roundly dismiss it.

It's the most amazing spectacle I have ever seen in my life.


neonzx
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

Why would a United States Court have to include the ramblings of a Swiss Philosopher as “evidence”, Kendall?

The black guy won.. Get over it. Quit pretending to be a Constitutional Law Professor.

-Jimbot


MsJoanne
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

I am guessing no.

Further guessing…no understanding of citations, truth, or critical thinking. In other words, a typical birther.


MsJoanne
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

That he is a typical ignorant birther.


thesheriffsani
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Apparently Lionel Hutz left Springfield for Houston.


Bob
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

O RLY?:

“More then one person had certified copies of this document.”

“Certified copies” means authentic.


MsJoanne
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

My sympathies. I hope the burial at sea was painless for you.


shortstop
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

I'm crying with laughter over here,


Orly Taint
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

Unfortunately for HoustonAttny, the medical attendants keep him in a straightjacket, so he can't get his hands on too much reading material, or his own excrement, which he shoves into his mouth if he's released from the straightjacket.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:59 am

Wow,

Wonder how you treat people who aren’t nuetral. I’m a rather avid news junky and have yet to see some “official” posting. The one on snopes looks perfectly legit and I am one who hopes it is. Yet is snopes official? Sure hope if I’m ever before a jury may accuser’s printer is out of ink and your sick during the jury seating process.


jsacto
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

I think they invented the, uh, word PWNED, for just this sort of thing.

Doh! I think, applies as well.

Oh, that's a classic for all times right there. Someone send that guy/gal an anonymous beer!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:07 am

Speak sister Speak!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:19 am

Wow. Imaginative. Jerkoff? Racist. Really? Thats all you have to say?
Thanks for proving my point above. You have nothing substantive to say, so you insult.
For what its worth, I would bet I have a much more racially diverse background than you friend. I also would bet I have had more multi cultural BEST friends than you have. But thats not the point you were really making is it? You don’t really think I’m racist. Your just blowing off steam and trying to belittle me.

For the record- He has not shown his Birth certificate. He’s shown a certificate of live birth. They aren’t the same thing. Look it up friend. There are lots of things missing on a certificate of live birth.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:23 am

Again with the racist stuff. Its getting old. I imagine you still use words like ” Boss” and ” daddy-o” too
I’d be all over a white president who wasn’t willing or able to produce documentation that he was legally able to hold the office.
Show the Document in question ( and maybe open up some other records as well just like everyone else has to to serve) , and the questioning goes away- simple, no?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:26 am

Ok…as a sane resonable person…I have THREE American born children ALL for whom I have been issued certificates of “live birth”. Because I find this whole birther movement so incredibly stupid, I looked at my own and my children’s “birth certificates” and NO WHERE on there do those 2 words appear together. Now, for 2 of my children the hospital in which they were born does appear (another birther argument) however, for my last child, it does not. Apparently, the state decides whether or not that is listed on the “birth certificate” because there was not even a place for it on the one that does not state the name of the hospital. At any rate, at this point I (according to the birther beliefs) and wondering if that means my daughter is not a US citizen.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

Yes, because the Federal Court moonlights as Photoshop debunkers.

Hey, I have a crappy scan of a fake Scandinavian BC. Wonder if Scalia will check it out for me…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:27 am

If you want to reply to what I have posted, please learn how to spell. Otherwise, don’t bother me.


luther blissett
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

Yes, just send a certified check to 24Ahead at 24Ahead's Mom's Basement, Birferville CA.

Gotta love how 24A is trying to extricate himself from birferdom.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Holy smokes, I actually agree with 24Ahead…it's the Rapture!

For the record, I think any American who has the legal standing to challenge Obama's BC in court should go for it. The legal system is there for a reason.

Demanding documents you have no right to, and making up Constitutional Law, on the other hand…no.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:33 am

PLEASE read my comment above and explain to me the difference between a “birth certificate” and a certificate of live birth?? Please tell me that you have looked at and are willing to post your own “birth certificate” so that we can all see that it does NOT say “certificate of live birth”.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Can’t imagine why people would think that. They see afterbirthers and teabaggers and manufactured mobs. All angry old white people, all Republikkkans, all cheered on by Faux. Yea, can’t imagine why people would think that.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:43 am

We don’t want to show the documentation because we are hiding something. You need to spend every waking hour exposing the conspiracy. I suggest you cash in your 401k and head on over to Kenya. Eventually you will uncover the truth. Yes you can!


danadevin74
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

priceless LOL


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:46 am

Ok. So as a kindred spirit ( sane and reasonable with three American born children and nothing but love) , are any of your children running for president, or any type of govt. job that requires vetting to the highest levels of security? Any of them in charge of our nuclear arsenal? Any of them in charge of running the most prosperous country on earth and being commander in chief of the most powerful military on the planet?
Because thats what his position is. And also, we can ASK you to get us a Dr’s name so we could identify your daughter if she ever RAN for such a position. Or, I’m certain she’d release them if it were asked.
He has refused to provide ANY documentation that has links for folks involved with the birth ( a birth certificate has several signatures of Dr’s, nurses, administration personel, etc that could be used to construct a real history) –
My point above ( which no one seems to want to address ) is that houstonattny listed many, MANY documents that Obama refuses to release.
As for calling people “birthers” because they expect their president to provide the documentation ( especially since he calls for such transparent govt) , its a little insulting.
However, having said all of that- I have nothing against you. Congrats on a good thing ( the family) and thank you for being polite in your disagreement with me-
God Bless.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:51 am

I guarantee if I was running for president of the United States, or if I WAS the president, I’d spend the$10 or $15 the state asked to send me a photocopy of the certificate so I could be transparent in my office.
Although, having said that, if memory proves correct, mine says birth certificate and has my hand print AND footprint on it.
However, I don’t think I’ll post that until I’m running for office
To easy for folks on this site to “punk” me
Again- no disrespect to your childrens certificates of live birth- thats not what this is about. Its about the president of the united states REFUSING to show a legal document proving his claims. Its not even innocent before be proven guilty. A requirement of his office is that he shows that he is a natural born citizen.
no more. No less.
Again- God Bless and keep you and yours.


Name
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

Oh no! The President is a fiment of my imagination!

So who dreamed up the Fed? Now THATS one sick puppy of a nightmare!


David
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Just another divirsion.

I still believe O'bama is NOT a natural born citizen and is not qualified to hold the office of the American president under the Constitution.

Problem is, the chicken republicans are afread to expose him for fear of not getting their earmarks under a DEMONcRAT dominated congress.

When will the republicans stop acting like the Democrats of old (the new DEMONcRATS are socialists, now)
and grow some gonads?

I cannot wait for O'Bama to piss-off the Hag Hillary and she dumps the dirt on this phoney!


LaLee
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

David, you may believe Obama to be an actual extraterrestrial alien for anyone care and it's fine with me.

As long your belief does not make you so angry that you've become like that Von Brunn guy who opened fire at Holocaust Museum.

Oh and Hillary is just fine with her new job.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

I still believe O'bama is NOT a natural born citizen and is not qualified to hold the office of the American president under the Constitution.

Some people believe the world is only 6000 years old. Doesn't make it so.

Problem is, the chicken republicans are afread to expose him for fear of not getting their earmarks under a DEMONcRAT dominated congress.

You forgot to mention the Illuminati and the Tri-Lateral Commission, nutball.

When will the republicans stop acting like the Democrats of old (the new DEMONcRATS are socialists, now) and grow some gonads?

DEMONcRATS? What are you, twelve?

I cannot wait for O'Bama to piss-off the Hag Hillary and she dumps the dirt on this phoney!

So she could have done this last summer but decided to lose the primary and bide her time instead? A crafty one, she.


sue
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

Orly does not even have the actual document, just the same photo shown above. That is what she registered with the court. You must be sooooooo proud of her, huh?


Matt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:40 am

I heard a rumor that the Scientologists were working on getting Obama’s real birth certificate from the Marcabian Confederacy…

(PS: don’t look up Marcabian Confederacy – the stupid, it burns!!)


michylovesrob
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

I bet if it was a white a president you would not be bitchin about him being a non citizen from europe? thats what i thought! haha!


Blue Shark
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

My Goodess…

…so much stupid and so little time.


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lkt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:49 am

I couldn’t resist. Marcabian Confederacy:

Various planets united into a very vast civilization which has come forward up through the last 200,000 years, formed out of the fragments of earlier civilizations. In the last 10,000 years they have gone on with a sort of decadent kicked-in-the-head civilization that contains automobiles, business suits, fedora hats, telephones, spaceships — a civilization which looks almost an exact duplicate but is worse off than the current US civilization.

Oookaaay.

You’re right! I believe some my brain cells committed suicide as I read through that nonsense.


GALACTUS
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

Thank you so much HoustonAtty, for helping keeping the cranks alive and handing your party over to racist fringe lunatics. Let us know if there's any way we can repay you for doing your part to marginalize the Republican party for the forseeable future!


GALACTUS
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

Oh honey. You really think you're clever! That's cute. ^_^


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:54 am

Neville Chamberlain could not have said it better.


ARedhead
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

So, the bottom line is that the people, democrat, republican, and independent, who have been doing personal research- are looking for a way- any way- to get rid of Obama and his policies. Obama is bad apple with socialistic visions, and those that have not come to that conclusion are really the ones that are fooling themselves. You ignorance is priceless, and will cost all of us dearly.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:58 am

To assert that there are no democrats publicly voicing concern is to suggest two things; 1) There are no democrats small business owners, and 2) All democrats are in lock step. This is mathmatically unfathomable to a reasoned mind.Regards,

Barry

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Name
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:00 am

Hey David (“I still believe O'bama is NOT a natural born citizen and is not qualified to hold the office of the American president under the Constitution.”) that's HUSSEIN O'bama to you.

Of course you believe what you believe Dave. You're the kind of guy who can believe six incredibly stupid things by breakfast. In this case though, you should write something like “There is no evidence that could ever convince me that Evolution happened/9-11 wasn't an inside job/the moon landings were faked/Barry Hussein O'bama isn't a natural born citizen.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:04 am

It isn’t about healthcare being a right or not…I was just surprised at that being your defense. My question is the same to everyone who opposes the healthcare reform. WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? Because if you (or anyone else for that matter) has a better plan – by all means, whip it out. Unfortunately the situation we are currently in is NOT working. I am happy if you are able to go to a doctor you like, not spend a hour plus in the waiting room and get your meds for such a reasonable price that it doesn’t effect your budget, but please realize this is NOT the case for the majority of Americans. Don’t give me some BS about illegal aliens using all our resources. Let’s talk about the THOUSANDS of Americans who are either uninsured or underinsured. What is the plan for them??
And if you want to talk about Medicare…that rests on Bush for making that as f’d up as it is currently.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:07 am

Arguing spelling is specious and lacks depth. I will try to spell check for you so you will fell better.
 Regards,

Barry

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Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:07 am

See this is what is lacking in such fora sadly, two people who likely hold opposing views capable of believing the other is neither stupid nor evil. While I lean well right I find much of what is being said on this forum from my side of things not worthy of reading due to tone. Come to think of it if all angry postings lacking of depth were stripped off there would be little but white space, then Fred would have to hate discus too. Chuckle.
 Regards,

Barry

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KenDunbar
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:09 am

Hi, Jimbot!

Now you know darn well I am not, nor have ever pretended to be, a lawyer.

But go ahead and tell Waite and Fuller that they were wrong. Please explain it to them with historical statements from other members of the US Supreme Court through the years.


KenDunbar
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Deny, deny, deny, a typical obot.

Okay, happy? You called me a name and I have called you a name.

So, as to what the quotes state….

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners

“Before the Revolution, the view of the publicists had been thus put by Vattel:
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”


tina
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Republicans are such simpleton saps!


tina
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Republicans are gullible idiots!


tina
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:14 am

Republicans are ignorant morons!


tina
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:15 am

Republicans are hypocritical dumbasses!


tina
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:16 am

Republicans are goons and racists!


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:16 am

Can't fix stupid so might as well make fun of them.


KenDunbar
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:20 am

incoherent? I think Chief Justice waaite was rather clear when he wrote:

” The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

of course in a courtroom, the presenter of such should have more than a link to Cornelll University's complete text of “Monor vs Happersett”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics…

Incoherent?

You can't understand the English text? Chief Justice Mellvill Muller wrote in regard to “U.S. vs Wong Kim Ark”,
” Before the Revolution, the view of the publicists had been thus put by Vattel:
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics…


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KenDunbar
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:25 am

Jimbot,
you know darn well, that Vattel's book was in the hands of the Continental Congress by 1775. You know darn well that they referenced his book in our Declaration of Independence and in our US Constitution. You know this because you have read my article on this, and have read Robert Trout's article that was in Fideleo magazine.

And you know darn well, Jim, that the Supreme Court has quoted and referenced Vattel's book throughout the years. But then, you don't want other people to know what you know, like Obama's birth status was governed by British law.


lol
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:26 am

lol owned


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:29 am

You're collection is incoherent, dumbass, not the quotes themselves. Learn to read.


KenDunbar
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:29 am

Nah. I just educate them.

I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen -Rep. John Bingham, framer of the 14th Amendment, before The US House of Representatives ((Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291, March 9, 1866 )

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
-Chief Justice Waite in Monor v Happersett http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics…

Before the Revolution, the view of the publicists had been thus put by Vattel:
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation, and it is presumed as matter of course that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children, and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.
- Chief Justice Fuller in US vs Wong Kim Ark http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics…


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:37 am

We all laugh, but the same people and the same lobbyists are going to destroy health care. This is not funny. When twenty of these fools show up at a town hall meeting screaming and end up on Faux News we all loose. They are really close to destroying everything we worked for, so you better take this real seriously because these idiots will win if we dont get our shit straight. This country is not populated by above normal intellects, 50% are below normal, and there are a few really bright greedy bloodsuckers who know just how to use them. I am telling you we can easily step back to 1954 and prejudice and false moralism can easily rele this country again.


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:38 am

How many presidents’ birth certificates have you seen? Were they all “official postings?”

P.S. No one is on trial for anything.


Mns7bays
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:42 am

And All of your records are available online? What Law school, year graduated, passed bar, where?
Gas on a stupid propane fire :-)


Skip
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:42 am

“You're the kind of guy who can believe six incredibly stupid things by breakfast. In this case though, you should write something like “There is no evidence that could ever convince me that Evolution happened/9-11 wasn't an inside job/the moon landings were faked/Barry Hussein O'bama isn't a natural born citizen.”

Out of curiosity, regarding “9-11 wasn't an inside job”, you did indeed mean to suggest that it would be incredibly stupid NOT to believe 9/11 was an inside job…correct?

If that is the case….what the heck?

Just as I don't understand how the “birther movement” can be comprised of a fair amount of folks who made fun of “truthers” for believing insane conspiracy theories regarding 9/11, I also don't understand how a “truther” can make fun of a “birther”.

If you didn't meant to suggest that 9/11 was an inside job, then please feel free to ignore the rest of this post (though the “meat” of the post is still valid as a general topic regarding this whole “birther” issue I believe).

However, if you did mean to suggest that 9/11 was in inside job, are you honestly saying that it is crazy to believe the “official” 9/11 story, while at the same time you are saying “birthers” are crazy for their beliefs?

Personally I think both “birthers” and “truthers” are desperate for any “proof” that lets them believe that some all powerful boogeyman is ruining their lives. With that being said though, how can anyone come on here and suggest that it is crazy to believe that the Twin Towers were brought down by the planes we watched get flown into them (not to mention the NORAD joint forces issue, the planting of explosives with no one seeing it issue, the killing all of the passengers issue, etc), while at the same time suggesting that someone would have to be crazy to believe that the government is covering up an eligibility issue regarding President Obama.

Heck, if I had to pick which conspiracy I thought was more plausible, I would imagine it would take a lot less work to hide the paper trail of a politician than to hijack multiple airplanes, kill all the passengers, secretly plant explosives in crowded buildings, launch a missle at the Pentagon, etc.

If you want to believe in crazy theories, that is your right. However, are you really going to make the argument that “9/11 conspiracy theory = sane”, but “birther conspiracy theory = crazy”? If that really is the argument you are making, how are “birthers” any less sane than you are?


Mns7bays
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:45 am

RyanV,
Duck, run and hide the sky IS falling!!


Name
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:45 am

look determining the qualification to be president is a political question settled when the Congress sitting in joint session accepts the votes of the electoral college. The lack of objection at that time by the Congress is determinative; Congress, knowing the requirements to be president, approved Obama and by extension made the determination that he was 35 and a natural-born citizen.


littlenan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:53 am

I have come into this late but have people seen a copy of the US birth certificate?


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:56 am

Besides, that bill was passed by congress that stated Obama is a citizen of the US. SO OUR DECEPTION IS COMPLETE! MOUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Time to send the black helicopters to take away the southerners guns and women and old people! MOUAHAHAHAHAHA


Mnemosyne
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:03 am

Yep. You can, too!

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/bi…


slama
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:08 am

yall need to quit forging these documents.. oh, yall forgot about the booger on the first document — idiots.. (get a better forger next time)..you guys better hope your viewer dont catch on to yalls FRAUD.. just a thought..


Name
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:09 am

typed that too fast didn't I? meant to say that people who want to ignore overwhelming evidence showing that say, Evolution happened are also willing to believe all sorts of crazy things, such as 9-11 is an inside job, or the government faked the moon landings, or that the CIA shot Kennedy or that Obama isn't a natural born citizen, and no amount of evidence will ever convince them otherwise. Look, I like a good “Elvis faked his own death” as much as the next guy, but you can't argue with people who don't believe facts or evidence, and only accept that own beliefs


slama
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:15 am

oh yeah, and the folds are the wrong way in #1 and #2 ,, –lmao


Name
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Well, then. Score one for the Internet.


Skip
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:25 am

Okay. That is why I wanted to be clear on what you were saying. The way you wrote it, it sounded like you were taking the “truther” angle.

But yes, I agree…it is like slamming your head against a brick wall when you try to debate people who let their personal beliefs prove “facts” for them, as opposed to people who use facts to reach their personal beliefs.


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4everuc69
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:32 am

Let's have a little dose of reality,ok.The real culpert here isn't the Dr., but rather her source, Wiley Drake, Sr. Every time that fool gets out in the press, a bunch of fools start sending him money. Which he has no accountability for what he spends it on. Whether that is the non discloosure agreements he has women sign to avoid the publicity for the numerous sealed out of court settlements he and his lawyer have entered into to pay off and thereby silence the numerous females he has had sue him for sexual harassment over the years. His atty is now a Judge here who is a schandelous basturd who is probably among one of many local judges under investigation by the “authorities” for their involvement in a international drug conspiracy, with ties to numerous White Supremecist groups like the KKK, The Church of the Creator, and the Arryian Brotherhood Prison Gang, and the Nazi-Low riders. This spring Senator Grassley had hearings in Washington regarding the outrageour Compensation of the folks at TBN. The Folk who answer the phones at their fundrasing telethons, are a bunch of ex-convicts, who are mostly Crack Heads and Meth addicts. Guess where they live? The church Wiley Drake Sr. owns. YOou will never guess who the cook is? Wiley Drake Sr.' Cousin, Why not keep it all in the family. When are the Federal Authorities going to put this Racist, Sheet wearing , KKK , Sexist piece of shit in the pen wheere the Black inmates can give him a little “LOVIN”"


thetophawk
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:33 am

Wow, great how you lump everyone together like that! Any thoughts on those terrible jews too? Maybe there's a similar solution to those selfish Reps who still believe there is an unbreakable link between personal freedom, and the responsibility for consequences born of the exercise of said freedom. Please. There are highly intelligent, profoundly stupid, and all else in between within both major parties let alone others. We can choose to add to the debate via thoughtfully presented and defended positions, or we can spout off as you have and only call our own intelligence into question…..as you have.


EFG
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:37 am

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER


thetophawk
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:38 am

I'm thinkin' Vulcan. Would explain the birth certificate mystery. Watch his hands now on for that double V thing. Chuckle.

Seriously though, While I'm in no way a birther why doesn't the White House just post the flippin' thing so everyone can just move on.


henryherman
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:44 am

It amazes me that the top 1 percenters have this army of white trash (birthers, tea-baggers, town hall meeting shouters, abortion doctor shooters) running around doing their dirty work so they can get thier tax cuts back. They could care less about these plumbers and six packers who are loosing their health care so they can keep sending their money to away to UBS and avoid paying thier share. When will these bottom feeding Republican common folk figure out that they are just being used by the right wing?


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:50 am

Look. All I'm trying to say is these morons are trying to promote their programs by playing ” The South Shall Rise Again” The are lining up every Chaw chewing, shit kicking, KKK dreaming nit wit they can find, and these people are ready to follow. They don't care about facts, They Hate Obama. and they feel that they are loosing their country because they think a black man and a bunch of northern liberals and hippies have run a backdoor revolution. People used to be afraid of a black power revolution in the sixties. Now maybe we better be afraid of a bunch of left wing, second amndment bible thumping screamers.


boonerboy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:51 am

The birth certificate has been shown numerous times…sorry you missed it…would you like them to send you a copy???


myfanwy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:56 am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HEEHEE!
yesssss. That felt good!

But, sadly, I don't imagine many of them know what “punked” means.


labman57
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:57 am

P.T. Barnum has been proven right again.


TexasWanderer
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:02 am

Yes, many times.


TexasWanderer
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:03 am

Obama was born in Hawaii, which is a part of the United States. Too bad you flunked geography.


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:04 am

What are you talking about? I don't see any difference in terms of any “ways” with regard to the folds between 1 and 2.

k


slama
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:05 am

white trash??? the same white trash that gives you freedom that die in battle and war, so you can express your freedom of speech on your computor!! you are a piece of sh_t, you lazy no good ______.. that same white trash thats in war right now scared for his life giving you freedom!!!!..these people shouting in these town hall meetings are expressing what ouce of freedom we have left in this country.. all you people want is to play on your computor, and get your (so called free)obama welfare check and care out of the mail, while the working tea bagger pays for bills.. people work hard in this country for a reward- the harder you work the greater the reward.. but you people dont want to earn it, you just want to collect off the man that works hard for what hes got– (again)–YOU ARE A PIECE OF SH_T…


myfanwy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:08 am

If this is the way you perceive the world and the people [chickens, demons, rats, hags] in it, then it's no wonder you seem so hate-filled and twisted.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:09 am

JR, I agree with you for the most part except for one thing; John McCain is a “citizen”. It must be noted that to qualify for the presidency one must be a “natural born citizen” and not a citizen. By the Constitution, a citizen is disqualified to hold the office because he could have been “Naturalized” and have one American parent at the time of birth and or born on foreign soil. On the other hand, “the natural born citizen clause” was given much thought and deliberation by the Founders to be born of two American citizens either on American soil or American territories or trusts. What a public school system we have when people are so apathetic and just blithering idiots when it comes to their freedoms, rights, and the Constitution! JR, good post and may GOD help us all!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:10 am

“That is not the same theory, and the laws that make McCain a citizen in no way apply to Obama, his mother, or his father.”

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

14th Amendment apply to ALL US CITIZEN WHO ARE BORN ON US SOIL.


jenger
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:10 am

Jews aren't repubicans you silly goose, they are Dems hee hee


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:11 am

Yeah, get off your computor and cash your obama welfare check.


aaaaandre
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:13 am

Hawww Hawww Hawwwwww…

You Obama “True believers” have already been Punk'd by Obama and his COLB! ;-)

Persons born British subjects are NOT Natural Born USA Citizens.
Obama admits that himself!

Joke's on you.

(nice work though! ;-)


jenger
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:15 am

Cost us what? Our homes? Our jobs? Our healthcare? Over 4000 American Troops? Nope sorry sucker, that was YOUR president, not Obama. Bush has already robbed many of us of the “American Dream” that we worked our entire lives for, and for many he has robbed them of their lives, their sons, their daughters, husbands, wife, aunt, uncles. Screw you Redhead, what the hell is left to pay? MY FREEDOM? MY CIVIL RIGHTS? We still have a few of them, but I doubt Obama's going to take them.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:15 am

waaaaa, you still lost the election. Boo-hoo, carry on with your temper tantrum.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:16 am

“Hawaiian officials have stated that they have viewed his “Certification of Live Birth” and found that they do have his records on file, but on the other hand, they will not verify that the “Certification of Live Birth” the president has touted as his birth certificate, is even authentic or even generated from their office. You would think they would be glad to verify it as a true copy, wouldn’t you?”

Uh Taylor, if the Hawaiian officials have Obama’s birth record n heir file then that means OBAMA WAS BORN THERE because they only keep record of NATIVE HAWAIIAN.

If you disagree with this then please show me JUST ONE person who is not a native hawaiian and has his/her birth records kept by hHwaiian officials.

“Secondly, McCain had to appear before a special Senate hearing and to present his long form Birth Certificate to verify his eligibility which was confirmed by the Senate after reading the US Constitution and historical founding documents describing the qualifications and eligibility for the office.”

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?

Do you have link to an article or video about this “special Senate hearing”?


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:16 am

zzzzzzzzzzzz, we took the country back in 2008 and there is NOTHING you can do about it! NOTHING! NOTHING!


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:16 am

By the way, where did image 1 come from?

I've not seen any image released by Taitz that is of the same resolution and the same level of quality as image 1.

Image 1's resolution is 2048 x 1536 and has virtually no JPEG artifacting. The best image I've seen from Tatiz came from her court filing on PACER. That image is only 1024 x 768 and has been severely compressed with horrendous JPEG artifacting.

So where did image 1 come from?

k


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:18 am

ahhh but you see in 1961 Hawaii was part of Kenya. It has since drifted out into the Pacific somehow and them Muslims manipulated things to make it a state. See it's all part of this big consipracy thing. Makes perfect sense.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:20 am

And the Supreme court (and the senate and congress and Hillary campaign and McCain campaign).

Maybe you should go and tell them. Apparently they overlooked this important info you have figured out.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Sounds like something Hitler would do…..would be their reaction.


jenger
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:22 am

'Bout as crafty as Obama's mama puttin' those ads in the Hawaii newspapers announcing his birth…boy, she's a tricky one too. Can't you just see her thinkin' it all up, sittin' over there in Africa somewheres, “Hmm, this boy could be president of the US one day, I better make it look like he was borned there.” Then getting on the phone to call Hawaii and place ads in two different papers. Yep, tricky alright.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:22 am

Time and partially hydrogenated vegatable oil will fix that up.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:23 am

and thank Dubya for getting you there.


jenger
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:28 am

That's funny, I don't get an Obama welfare check, my bank did, then they raised my interest rate to 27% because my payment was two days late, then reduced my credit limit, after I bailed their asses out. My husband got an extra $250.00 as a disabled Veteran as part of the stimulus act, was that welfare? OMG Am I an Obama Welfare recipient? SHIT!!! And don't put me, as a service member, in the same group as those rumor mongering, hate mongering teabaggers. I serve, but I'm not white trash, nor am I a Republican. Thanks for the support though, I guess…


Tim
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:31 am

If this blog is what america has become God help us all.


Tim
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:31 am

If this blog is what america has become God help us all.


Pesa
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:33 am

Birthers take heart…someone is working on Obama's Indonesian passport, you will have something else to latch on to!


thetophawk
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:35 am

Yes i know. lol. was just making the point that calling any group names is foolish at best. Thanks for being polite with your comment though. It is a quality lacking in most of the posters.

Regards.


coracii
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:41 am

Or if Snopes isn't your cup of tea, go to Fact Check and see it there…

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:46 am

If I could get “Birthers” to concentrate on the indisputable aspects of this issue, we could strike back at the anti-birthers at the same time as improving the MSM's coverage of this and many other issues.

What I'm referring to is the fact that the MSM has consistently lied and misled about this issue. I don't mean differences of opinion: I mean making factual errors or highly misleading statements and not correcting them and in some cases just making things up.

The best part about that however is that the MSM has built a house of cards: if we can force one source to post a correction, that might have a ripple effect. It will also undermine the attempts by BHO supporters to use lying press reports to support BHO. If we can force enough of them to post corrections, they might be scared enough for the credibility to start doing real reporting for a change.

If you want to actually do something, read this and then contact the AP and demand a correction. If enough people point out that their reporter lied that might force them to CYA. And, getting the AP to do that would have a major impact on this and many other issues.


thetophawk
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:48 am

Actually those protesting cover the gambit, including democrats. And when did protesting become distasteful to the left end of the political spectrum? If someone protesting does so in a mean-spirited way (such as your post) I stand with you against their method for it adds nothing to the debate, let alone their position.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Ruh Roh! Someone is going to jail. Wouldn't wanna be you.

UNITED STATES CODE

TITLE 18 CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

CHAPTER 47 FRAUD AND FALSE STATEMENTS

§ 1028. Fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents, authentication features, and information

(a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (c) of this section—

(1) knowingly and without lawful authority produces an identification document, authentication feature, or a false identification document;

(2) knowingly transfers an identification document, authentication feature, or a false identification document knowing that such document or feature was stolen or produced without lawful authority;

* * * shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.

(b) The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this section is—

(1) except as provided in paragraphs (3) and (4), a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 15 years, or both, if the offense is—

(A) the production or transfer of an identification document, authentication feature, or false identification document that is or appears to be—

(i) an identification document or authentication feature issued by or under the authority of the United States; or

(ii) a birth certificate, or a driver’s license or personal identification card;

* * *

(c) The circumstance referred to in subsection (a) of this section is that—

* * *

(3) either—

(A) the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section is in or affects interstate or foreign commerce, including the transfer of a document by electronic means; or

(B) the means of identification, identification document, false identification document, or document-making implement is transported in the mail in the course of the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section.

(d) In this section and section 1028A—

(1) the term “authentication feature” means any hologram, watermark, certification, symbol, code, image, sequence of numbers or letters, or other feature that either individually or in combination with another feature is used by the issuing authority on an identification document, document-making implement, or means of identification to determine if the document is counterfeit, altered, or otherwise falsified;

(2) the term “document-making implement” means any implement, impression, template, computer file, computer disc, electronic device, or computer hardware or software, that is specifically configured or primarily used for making an identification document, a false identification document, or another document-making implement;

(3) the term “identification document” means a document made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, political subdivision of a State, a sponsoring entity of an event designated as a special event of national significance, a foreign government, political subdivision of a foreign government, an international governmental or an international quasi-governmental organization which, when completed with information concerning a particular individual, is of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purpose of identification of individuals;

(4) the term “false identification document” means a document of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purposes of identification of individuals that—

(A) is not issued by or under the authority of a governmental entity or was issued under the authority of a governmental entity but was subsequently altered for purposes of deceit; and

(B) appears to be issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, a political subdivision of a State, a sponsoring entity of an event designated by the President as a special event of national significance, a foreign government, a political subdivision of a foreign government, or an international governmental or quasi-governmental organization;

* * *

(6) the term “issuing authority”—

(A) means any governmental entity or agency that is authorized to issue identification documents, means of identification, or authentication features; and

(B) includes the United States Government, a State, a political subdivision of a State, a sponsoring entity of an event designated by the President as a special event of national significance, a foreign government, a political subdivision of a foreign government, or an international government or quasi-governmental organization;

* * *

(f) Attempt and Conspiracy.— Any person who attempts or conspires to commit any offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the attempt or conspiracy.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:11 am

If I could get “Birthers” to concentrate on the indisputable aspects of this issue, we could strike back at the anti-birthers at the same time as improving the MSM's coverage of this and many other issues.

What I'm referring to is the fact that the MSM has consistently lied and misled about this issue. I don't mean differences of opinion: I mean making factual errors or highly misleading statements and not correcting them and in some cases just making things up.

The best part about that however is that the MSM has built a house of cards: if we can force one source to post a correction, that might have a ripple effect. It will also undermine the attempts by BHO supporters to use lying press reports to support BHO. If we can force enough of them to post corrections, they might be scared enough for the credibility to start doing real reporting for a change.

If you want to actually do something, read this and then contact the AP and demand a correction. If enough people point out that their reporter lied that might force them to CYA. And, getting the AP to do that would have a major impact on this and many other issues.

Even if you want to spend hours on Photoshop and the like, at least take a few minutes and write the AP about their lies.


jeffreyd
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:12 am

Give me a frickin break……


jenger
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:14 am

Right? I know Bush was really stupid, but do these people really believe that he was SOOOOO stupid that he handed over the keys to someone not legally eligible to hold them? If what they are saying were true, Bush, and his cronies, who dug up every single ounce of dirt there was to dig up on all his opponents (even his own operatives, so sorry Val, truely, sorry about that whole outting thing, that was f&*^ed up) he would be proven to be a bigger idiot than he has already proven himself. Way to go Dubya, give the frickin country to a Kenyan. Jeez!


jenger
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:23 am

And a quality lacking in most of mine…yours however did not raise my ire, just my silliness :) Thank you.


ed
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:27 am

How old are the people running the government?,12?. Stop screwing around and do the jobs you were appointed to!!!!. I'm tired of seeing this country become crap and a joke to the world. Seeing what is going on here in the U.S. makes me want to renounce my citizenship and move to another country. I'm afraid of what my daughter will be dealing with when she grows up. All of you should have the same concern.


Pablo
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:28 am

You might be onto something…except that no document was ever transferred, just a picture of a fake. In other words, FAIL.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:29 am

The end of an Empire. While American is busy fighting with itself over the stupidest of things and going into massive debt fighting wars and building useless weapons, 1.3Billion Chinese are busy making things and saving their money and quietly becoming the next world power.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:31 am

You will not find a single democrat in those crowds of angry old white people! Who do you think your kidding! Go watch Faux news and leave reality to the rest of us.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:32 am

From Kenya of course……lol.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:32 am

That was before they advertised what they did, and what their intent was. Before you do your happy dance, let's see if the court that was asked to authenticate the document thinks it's funny. Did you notice the section on electronic transfer? You might not be as funny as you think. We'll see who gets the last laugh.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:36 am

My god are you dumb! I mean Jesus christ are you a clown!


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:36 am

Two million of those chinese are in the Chinese army. And morons like you want to get rid of our “useless” weapons???? Smart. I guarantee the Chinese don't consider our weapons useless….yet. That is until ignorant liberals like you reduce us to using spitballs.


ed
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Do you really like what is going on in this country? We can't keep throwing money at everything If that is all a President does, we're all qualified. I don't care about a certificate, i do care about my country. Ever hear ” treat it like sh*t it becomes sh*t” ?. Open your eyes and take a good look around. Do you really like what you see?. Honestly, do you?. .


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:38 am

LOL. The comment of an idiot who has nothing better to say. “oh yeah, well you're dumb….and stuff”. pfffftttt


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:38 am

HaHa! Angry and in denial to the bitter end. I love it. Can't wait for the next conspiracy y'all come up with!


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:39 am

Yea, I mean 'folds' are just so hard to forge! LOL! What an idiot you are!


mskia
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:40 am

I am sorry, I agree with ed. This country is turning into a mockery. We have SERIOUS issues…people out of work, in need of decent health care, losing their jobs/homes…and we have the ignorant shouting to the rest of the free world that the President elected by the people is not really a citizen. Come on folks, WAKE UP.

And while we are at it…some PLEASE explain to me the difference between a “birth certificate” and a “certificate of live birth” cuz I am at a loss.


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:44 am

You seem to have conveniently left out subsection (c) which describes the only circumstances in which this section applies.

Please note that (a) states:

Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (c) of this section—

So let's look at subsection (c):

(c) The circumstance referred to in subsection (a) of this section is that—

(1) the identification document, authentication feature, or false identification document is or appears to be issued by or under the authority of the United States or a sponsoring entity of an event designated as a special event of national significance or the document-making implement is designed or suited for making such an identification document, authentication feature, or false identification document;

Please tell me how a Kenyan birth certificate “is or appears to be issued by or under the authority of the United States or a sponsoring entity of an event designated as a special event of national significance.”

Did you not bother to read subsection (c) or did you leave it out intentionally?

k


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:44 am

We are getting desperate because you clowns are getting close to exposing the truth. This is how desperate people act. Keep on this during every waking hour. You will make it happen. Yes you can!


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:45 am

The long form birth certificate is the original that Obama refuses to pay 12 dollars to have released to the public. The Certificate of Live Birth, in the case of Hawaii simply says you were born and you registered your child's birth in Hawaii. In the 60's even foreign born babies could get a COLB. They didn't even have to appear in person. A relative could simply fill out a form and attest to the fact that they were born wherever and now reside in Hawaii. The state then issued them a Certificate of Live Birth. That's why so many people want the Long form B.C. released. It would give a great deal more information and would actually prove that Obama was a natural born citizen. The COLB doesn't do that because anyone could get one. That's the difference in a nutshell.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:47 am

Yea if only we spent 500billion more on those F-22's we would be safe once and for all!


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:47 am

So, slama, our military consists entirely of “white trash”, eh?

Guess there are no young black men and women who have died in our wars, or Hispanics, or Asians… nope, we own our freedom entirely to good white, redneck Americans… RIIIIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTTTT…

And shame on you, for calling our troops “white trash”; that's quite unpatriotic, you know… why you wanna hate on our men and women in uniform like that? Being the son of a 20 year Army man, born in a military hospital, and having grown up on one military base after another (some of them overseas), I resent that… our soldiers are some of the finest people in the world, and they come in all colors…

This very white man who has never drawn a welfare check in his life, who has never received food stamps, indeed who has worked full-time for the last 38 years of his life, would like to define “white trash” for you… first off, most “white trash” couldn't get into the military if they wanted to… they're uneducated, bigoted, foul-mouthed, generally ignorant… this is exactly the base that the GOP is playing to, that it depends on for its survival, and they are willfully whipping that demographic up into a frothing at the mouth frenzy…

Come to think of it, that definition sounds an awful lot like YOU… foul-mouthed, check… ignorant, check… bigoted, well, you apparently think that only white people sign up to serve our country, that sounds pretty bigoted to me…

I'll bet your real issue with Obama is the color of his skin…


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:49 am

My god are you ever a clueless idiot. Your making a fool of your self. Please stop…or don't…yes please stop……or don't. LOL!


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:50 am

That's irrelevant. JR left out subsection (c), which establishes the circumstance under which the section applies. And it only applies do that which “is or appears to be issued by or under the authority of the United States or a sponsoring entity of an event designated as a special event of national significance.”

A Kenyan birth certificate does not meet that criteria.

I believe JR was either mindlessly parroting something someone else posted elsewhere, or subsection (c) was intentionally left out for the purpose of misleading others.

k


mskia
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:53 am

I'm sorry JR, then I must be a foreign citizen and so must my children…ALL of whom I have the “long form” for which says specifically Certificate of Live Birth. NOWHERE on it (neither mine, nor my childrens) does it say Birth Certificate and all of us were born after the 1960s. As long as the COLB has the registry number of the “birth certificate”…again, what is the difference? Or is this some semantics game that the so-called Birther movement is trying to play? Please post your document that says BIRTH CERTIFICATE and I will show my COLB. Coincidentally, the only person in my family who has a document that says “certification of birth” is my husband…who only has the short form. Also interesting is that my COLB (which you say is not a birth certificate) has been more than enough for me to get a marriage license (twice in fact), a driver's license and a passport. HMMMMMMM


mizflame98
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:55 am

OK, this is getting old. There has been more media time spent on the birthers than there was on the truthers. BTW, they're both conspiracy nuts. Time to let it go people and get back to more important things like preventing the government from destroying our fine republic.


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:56 am

A “birth certificate” and a “certificate of live birth” are one and the same, though Hawaii chooses to use the term “certificate of live birth.” Other states will use simply “birth certificate” or “certificate of birth.”

What causes confusion, with respect to the state of Hawaii, is between “certificate of live birth” and “certificATION of live birth.”

The “certificate of live birth” is what we would normally call a “birth certificate.” It's the certificate that's issued to you when you're born. A “certificATION of live birth” is what the state of Hawaii issues when you request a copy of your birth certificate. It may be a photostatic copy of the complete birth certificate, or it may be an electronically generated “short form” as Obama released, and is currently the only copies Hawaii issues.

k


Maureen
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:56 am

Is the country in reaction to having an AA President? Seems like people are coming out of the woodwork with very backward ideas
The man was born in the US- Hawaii is a State- the government of Hawaii confirms the birth. His mother was an American citizen- so he is also, even if he was not born in the US
John McCain was born outside the US- same theory

Look around at our country- very diverse- people need to accept this and move on- we live in a global world now- the small minded, isolationist approach is over


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:58 am

No, he's not a clueless idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing. Instead, he's relying on the stupidity and gullibility of others.

k


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:59 am

Wrong. Hawaii recently changed the name of the COLB, but they are the same document. Do you people ever read, or just repeat what your Messiah tells you to say. good grief.


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:59 am

D'oh! ;)

k


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:01 am

Do you ever say anything worth reading, or are you just the resident moron who posts the “oh hu, you're a dumb dumb” posts. I guess when you have one brain cell firing at a time you can't do much more than make the same post over and over again.


benjamingates
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:05 am

You vote for Obama? YOU'VE BEEN PUNKED! Sorry, I can't put it any other way. Well, yes I can… Sorry your ASS is so sore!


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:05 am

That would be “she” not “he”, and I was wrong about Fred being the resident moron. There are two of you who post basically nothing, and just fire off insults. Far left blogs are always populated with filthy mouth haters that can't form a coherent thought to save their lives.


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:07 am

JR, I can explain to you why Obama doesn't release his birth certificate… there are actually a couple of reasons:

1) He doesn't HAVE to… he has already satisfied every LEGAL REQUIREMENT with the birth certificate he has produced… follow this link, http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/bi…, and you'll see the actual document… scroll down the very bottom, and you'll see this typed there:

This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.

IOW, what Obama has given us is legal proof, in a court of law, that he was born in Hawaii…

Beyond that, officials in Hawaii have examined the “long form” twice now, and pronounced it genuine… given that the governor of Hawaii is a REPUBLICAN (Linda Lingle), it's beyond insane to think for one second that they'd distort the truth to cover for Obama…

Then there's the two birth announcements in the two main Hawaiian newspapers back then, announcing his birth… these are two COMMON SENSE reasons to accept that the birth certificate he's already produced is legitimate…

But there's another, bigger reason why he doesn't produce it…

2) He doesn't WANT to… he WANTS the birthers out there, foaming at the mouth, generally showing their collective asses… what he's doing is exactly what he did when he took on Rush Limbaugh some months back; he's engaged in a campaign to marginalize the opposition (the GOP) by making the extremist whack jobs in the party the face of that opposition… he's using the nuts to make moderate Americans leery of the Republican Party…

IOW, you wingnuts are playing right into his hand… you have no idea how much fun it is watching y'all thrash around, doing exactly what he wants you to, without the first clue that you're being used…


mskia
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:09 am

Preventing the government from destroying our fine republic?

Please tell me where all this outrage about the government trampling on our rights was when GW Bush was LYING to us about WMDs in Iraq and spend our money/killing our citizens on the premise of those LIES. Now that our current president wants to make sure people like me who can't afford the health insurance at my job and whose husband recently became unemployed can get health insurance to continue to take our kids to the doctor….now the government is evil. Ain't that interesting.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:09 am

Are you from Hawaii. Each state is different. And each state that has a COLB has different information on it. If you don't know the difference between the two, how in the world do you know what you have. Even Obama doesn't claim the document on factcheck.org is his long form B.C. dumbass. He's spent nearly a million dollars having his lawyers fight the release of the long form B.C., so he knows what it is. Only the sheeple who follow him don't get it.


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:11 am

You're only correct in the sense that the photostatic versions had no specific designation as “certificate” or a “certification.” But since both the photostatic versions and the electronic versions are certified copies, they are both certificATIONS.

Oh, and please stop using that stupid acronym “COLB.” It's ambiguous and can stand for either Certificate Of Live Birth or Certification Of Live Birth.

k


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:12 am

No, persons born British subjects are surely not natural born citizens… you're exactly right…

Your problem is that Barack Obama was not born a British subject… he was born an American citizen, to an American mother, in a Hawaiian hospital…

So I guess the joke's really on YOU… so I feel I must quote you in response:

Hawww Hawww Hawwwwww…


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:14 am

“She”?

Sorry. All that facial hair threw me off.

k


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:14 am

“John McCain was born outside the US- same theory”

Get your facts straight. John McCain is a U.S. citizen because his father was in the military and he was born on a military base. That is not the same theory, and the laws that make McCain a citizen in no way apply to Obama, his mother, or his father. Completely different situation. All you people read are your own retarded blogs right? Branch out a bit and you might learn something.


mskia
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:16 am

JR you have YET to form an intelligent response to my points below. Please enlighten me as to how you are less “retarded” than us.


mizflame98
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:16 am

What, you missed all these protesters?
http://osmoothie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08…

Heck, they were even worldwide:
http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/free%20pal%20lond…

And lets not forget our friends from code pink:
http://afrocityblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04…
As for you not affording health care, sorry about that. But show me where in the Constitution it states that health care is a right that will be funded by the taxpayers?


thetruthserum
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:17 am

Compared to 8 years of G.W. My ass feels great.


Daniel
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:18 am

OK, we find enough evidence to impeach Blessed Obamah and get a conviction, which means Joe Biden becomes. Now, I'm a old conservative republican Jew. Who do I want as my President. Obama or Biden,, Obama or Biden,, hummm? Remember, be careful what you for, you just may get it. Birthers, shut up already. Give the poor Dems a break, they haven't had anyone in the White House since Carter. Hillary was the closest they got.


thetruthserum
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:18 am

I have yet to see a birth certificate for George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan


mskia
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:20 am

ok…I will type my question again. IF HIS “SHORT FORM” COLB HAS THE REFERENCE NUMBER OF HIS “BC” ON IT…WHAT IS THE POINT? What do you need from his long form that will somehow prove in your mind that he is a citizen??

My point in stating that I was issued a COLB is to say that the documentation I have is from the year I was born but it says BIRTH CERTIFICATE NOWHERE on there. But now what you seem to be saying is that my CT COLB is somehow more valid than Hawaii's. I have to say this sounds like a little convoluted. And I really don't appreciate being called a dumbass for questioning something that you profess to know so much about.


thetruthserum
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:20 am

You Birthers are KILLING the republican party. Because your baseless BS complaints shadow any real platform republicans have.

As long as Birthers stay in the news, Obama will be president in 2012.

JR just might be on Obama's payroll.


Jackson5Lives
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:20 am

Uh hu, JR, it is the same theory.


mskia
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:23 am

Wow. So healthcare is not a right? That is your defense as to why we should go without? Really?? That is pretty … indifferent. I pray that neither you nor your family gets sick and are stuck with thousands of dollars in medical bills that you would be unable to pay. I pray good health for you. In the meantime, I pray that you gain some empathy for decent hard working people who are now SOL because of Anthem, Aetna, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, Oxford, etc…desire to make the biggest profit possible.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:24 am

Do you ever read the news? I mean outside freaky liberal blogs that isolate themselves and make shit up? Hawaii recently changed the name of their COLB (it's easier to type and people with a brain get it) to muddy the waters. This is what I'm referring to. I'd google it and provide a link to the recent news article, but I doubt a single person here would read it unless it was a link to someone who already agreed with them. Reading the comments here, I can certainly see how we ended up with a Marxist for a president and a bunch of tax cheats in his administration. They went to the same public schools you did.


lkt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:25 am

Dude, did you even read or comprehend what you typed? Apparently not!

(a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (c) of this section…

Oh, my, what does section (c) say?!!?

(c) The circumstance referred to in subsection (a) of this section is that –

(1) the identification document, authentication feature, or false identification
document IS OR APPEARS TO BE ISSUED BY OR UNDER THE
AUTHORITY OF the United States…(yadda, yadda, yadda)

Ooops, that doesn't apply! What's next?

(2) the offense is an offense under subsection (a)(4) of this section

What is subsection (a)(4) again?

(a) (4) knowingly possesses an identification document (other
than one issued lawfully for the use of the possessor),
authentication feature, or a false identification document,
with the intent such document or feature be used to defraud
the United States

Last I checked the Russian commie, Orally Taintz,
is NOT a representative of the United States, doofus!
Not that she was “defrauded”; the Russian commie
pranked! Legally speaking, big diff!

Okay. What's next?

(3) either –

(A) the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section IS IN
OR AFFECTS INTERSTATE OR FOREIGN COMMERCE….

How was the (1) production; (2) transfer; (3) possession;
or (4) use of the Kenyan BC by the person who pranked
Orally “IN” or “AFFECT[]” “Interstate or foreign
commerce”???

Did Orally pay the anonymous source who sent the BC
to her? Or did the anonymous source merely send it to
her as…well, an anonymous source? Hmmmmm. I wonder!

Ooops, guess that part doesn't apply! What's next?

(B) the means of identification, identification document, false identification
document, or document-making implement is transported in the mail…

Ooops, didn't Orally say that all she has is an electronic
picture of the BC??? Damn! That doesn't apply!
What's next?

Ah, hell! There's nothing else!!!!!

Man, you racist, freepers are such idiots! Your idiocy shows even more when you try to interpret things that go beyond a third grade reading level!


Name
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:27 am

Unbeliveable to me that this many people will waste this much time on so much ridiculous nonsense. Nation of mush heads.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:28 am

Really. Are you saying Obama's mother was in the military, or his African father? And which military installation (American soil by the way) was Obama born on. There are special laws for obvious reasons that make military personnel's children American citizens at birth. At least obvious to me…you might need help there.

In the case of Obama, his mother was an American citizen who had not lived in the U.S. for a full 5 years after her 14th birthday. Hawaii required this in order to confer citizenship on her child were he/she to be born overseas. And of course his father was a British citizen as Kenya was under British rule then. So it is not at all the same thing. They make these things called books. They contain all of these legal facts and information. Try reading them.


lkt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:29 am

I guess you forgot about that eight year period from 1992 to 2000 where we had the Democratic President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton!

You're such an morAn!


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:29 am

McCain is not a natural born citizen. How can one be a natural BORN citizen if their citizenship wasn't conferred upon them until six months AFTER their birth?

k


thetruthserum
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:30 am

Apparently Mizflame subscribes to the theory that poor people are poor because they are lazy and don't work.

Either that or she feels as if it is not the job of our elected officials to address the issues that effect all constituents.

Answer me this, if it is not the gov't's job to address this problem then who's is it????


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:32 am

I've responded to everything I've seen. If I missed yours I apologize. My guess is, even if I responded to every ignorant thing you wrote, you'd still say I didn't respond adequately. It's the only answer you people have because your completely devoid of facts or background information on the topic at hand. You have opinions, but no clue why. Other than The One said so.


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koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:32 am

Er, HAWAII required this in order to confer citizenship on her child?

Um, that's a FEDERAL law. Not a STATE law. One's citizenship has not arisen from state law since the Fourteenth Amendment.

I think you need to heed your own advice and tart reading those things called books you speak of.

k


Nick
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:33 am

Forget the birth certificate. Why won't the media discuss Obama's dual citizenship? The man ADMITTED that he was a FOREIGN CITIZEN until he was 21, governed at birth under the British Nationality Act of 1948. How can a “natural born” U.S. citizen be GOVERNED at birth by foreign citizenship law?


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:35 am

No, Hawaii did not recently change the name of their “COLB.”

What they recently did was stop providing photostatic copies which had NO NAME on them at all, to electronic versions which were titled “Certification of Live Birth.”

k


Matt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:36 am

That's funny – I pray that people like Mizflame get cancer and are told by their insurance company to go home and die. But I'm kinda mean like that.


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:37 am

It's not $12, it's $10. And it only gets you what Obama has already released. Hawaii stopped providing long form, photostatic copies some years ago.

k


mskia
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:38 am

Interesting to me is that you have called me a dumbass and ignorant yet I have said nothing negative about you. Hmmm, but somehow “you people” are the less intelligent ones? I KNOW why I have the opinion that this whole “birth certificate” issue is a tactic that people are just using to cover up their racism, but I have merely been questioning you about the difference between the form you have been shown and the one you say you want to see. Yet I have not (in the midst of any of your posts) been able to detect what exactly it is you are trying to find out….by requesting this “long form birth certificate” be made available to the public.


thetruthserum
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:38 am

When did he admit that? Show me a link… give me a direct quote.
STOP MAKING UP FACTS!!!!!!!!

Does the truth just not matter to you people. Stop making up facts.

If that accusation is true how did this man EVER get elected. These are laws that can't just be ignored and put on the back burner.

If there was ANY merit to the claim that Barrack Hussein Obama was not a US Born Citizen he wouldn't have been able to come within 10 feet of the White House.

Why don't you people get it?????????


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skylights
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:40 am

LOL. Birthers will believe anything — except for plain facts.


benjamingates
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:41 am

I never said I liked GW. He was and is a corrupt idiot. He was the fool that got the ball rolling… but you're sure taking it hard for OBUBBA now! Keep punking yourself… it's even funnier that you can't see past the hype. The best advice I have ever heard was from the rappers Public Enemy. “DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!” Amen! Your truth serum must be crack!


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:42 am

Wow, just wow. I didn't know there were even liberals who thought McCain was not natural born. That takes some serious fried brain cells. His father was an officer in the Navy stationed in Panama. He was born on a military base. Try this….walk up to a marine who's picking his kid up from school and tell him that his kid is not a natural born citizen because he was serving his country overseas when the kid was born. After he kicks your ass, he can probably explain to you why children of our men and women in uniform are not excluded from running for president, and they are considered natural born. I'm sure you'd rather penalize our military's children for being born while the government has them stationed overseas, but that's not how the law is written. If you believe it is written that way, you are a complete idiot.


lkt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:42 am

Well, see, mskia, a “birth certificate” and a “certificate of live birth” are both good enough for a white man to prove that, well, he was born. For a black man, it means nothing. A black man needs to produce

(1) video of him squirting out of his mama's ***, with the governor of the state acting as the mother's breathing coach, the mayor of the city where the birth took place performing the delivery, and the director of the hospital feeding the mom ice chips.

Ahh, but that's still wouldn't be good enough!

(2) The video taped delivery MUST take place in front of a prominent american landmark that could not be faked;

(3) at least 490 white Americans who are registered as republicans and are from other states must be present as witnesses' and

(4) Those witnesses must sign in to attend the birth and include their names, home addresses, telephone numbers (home and work – to prove that they're not Democrats, because, you know, they don't work), which must all be notarized.

Then, and only then, maybe, perhaps, a black man will be deemed a “natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States” (you know, those words from the Constitution) so that he can lawfully be elected as President of the great land of America!

Hope that clears it up for ya!


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:45 am

One's US citizenship cannot and is not governed by the laws of other countries. How absurd is that?

What if that wacky Kim Jong-Il in North Korea wrote a law saying that everyone born in the United States is a citizen of North Korea?

Are you going to sit there and tell me with a straight face that every child born after that can never hold the office of President of the United States?

Do you not see the absurdity of the notion of some OTHER country's laws governing who the US considers its citizens?

Please.

k


thetruthserum
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:45 am

Hey JR – Since you are such a genius.

Where was Obama's mother born then.

And can you tell me how in today's age of Homeland Security an illegal alien can graduate from Harvard, become a state senator, then a US senator and then PRESIDENT of the United States, all with such GLARING discrepencies on their birth record

ANSWER: They can't

Find a new topic. You've lost!!!!!!


lkt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:45 am

Please go. Do you have a website set up that I can contribute to in order to send you and your kid on your way?


benjamingates
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:46 am

LOL. You all will believe anything as long as the media hypes it. Your liberties are getting raped by Obubba. Facts don't change that. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!
America's been getting PUNKED for years… but this is the worst abuse we've ever had.
Shame on us.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:47 am

….and tax increases. Half the signs are complaining about tax increases even though every single one of them got a tax cut along with 95% of Americans. But nope, doesn't matter they are still out there with their Obama=Hilter signs for those damn non-existant tax increases! LOL!

Just totally detached from reality.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:49 am

LOL!!! You don't know what I do when not irritated by morons on a liberal blog, do you? Oh, I see. You can't do more than one thing at a time, so everyone must do the one thing you do, or they're wasting time. Guess what. Most conservatives can multitask. I can go to every Tea Party that is going on anywhere near my location, and have. I can blog about every Obama policy that will screw up this country, and have. I can write books on the topic, and have. I can vote in every election, and have. See how that multitasking works. You can discuss Obama's citizenship, which by the way is a constitutional issue that shouldn't be taken lightly, and go after Obama's disastrous Marxist policies, and socialist nanny state legislation, too. Wow!


mizflame98
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:49 am

No. Healthcare is not a right. If you want to see what are our rights, I'd suggest you check this out:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constit…

Also, if you bother to read the proposed health care bill, you'd realize that you would probably be better off not being insured. The government is counting on the desperation and fears of families like yours to pass a health care plan that will wind up rationing care, increase waiting time for procedures if you qualify for one, and eventually force people who have insurance off of their own plans and onto substandard government care.
Just when this country is starting to come to the crest of the baby boomers qualifying for medicare, this administration propose to cut medicare to pay for this health care bill. Think about that. Also, I'd suggest you look at some of the people Obama decided to appoint as Czars and advisers with regards to this health care thing. I'm sorry but I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling about a government health care system that has been put together by folks that believe in forced sterilization, forced abortions, and measuring the worth of people by age. I don't know how old your children are, but if we get Obamacare, I pray that they survive long enough to reach some sort of value to the collective. Ezekiel Emanual, Obama's health policy adviser has some pretty interesting theories on how to handle the very young, the very old, and the disabled.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinio…

Now, as a parent of a disabled child and a person who has disabled family members, forgive me for not embracing Obama's universal health care plan. I do wish you and your husband the best, but I think it's best you do a bit more research into what this administration has in store for us with regards to health care. Don't believe what Gates, or Obama says via his teleprompter. Read the bill and research the Czars & advisers. This is not right.
Also, remember the wise words of Rahm Emanuel, Ezekiel's brother:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzcbXi1Tkk&NR=1…

Here is a brilliant man who is a great inspiration. I'd suggest you read some of this man's work. It's great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A


mizflame98
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:49 am

keep it classy, baby.


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:50 am

He will win in 2012 anyways. The angry old white people are dying and being replaced by Latinos. After Sotomayor it will be a cold day in hell that they vote for a Republikkkan even though most wouldn't anyways.


lol
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:50 am

lol awesome


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:50 am

My god are you dumb!


SenhorTambor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Okay, by everyone else's metric, am I American enough to run for public office?

My mom and dad were born in PA and OH, respectively. Dad was a 26 year military vet, and I was born in England on an American AFB. I have my original birth certificate, but it's issued by the UK. I'm pretty sure I'm American, but my BC was issued by the British government. I have an English document. It made getting a passport a real PITA. So, since I don't have an American document, would birthers deny me a presidential run?


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:51 am

At the time of McCain's birth, there was no law on the books to confer US citizenship on him. He only became a US citizen by being grandfathered in by a law which was passed six months after his birth.

Children born TODAY under such circumstances are considered US citizens. But McCain wasn't born TODAY. He was born in 1936.

k


Fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:52 am

Amazing the stuff that comes out of their mouths ain't it? I wonder if they can find Canada on a Map.


HumblyRight
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:52 am

Did ANYONE really think that thing was real? Nobody (be they Birther, Truther, Lifer, Stoner or piano player) thought that was real…unless there was a payday in it for them….then they “thought” it was real.

What ever documents Obama may be holding back re: this nonsense is because:
1. It says “muslim” on it under the religion block, and/or
2. It continues to make the 'birthers' look less credible and lets the media paint all of Obama's critics as 'birther' nuts.

Shrewd.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:52 am

LOL. Thanks Fred. I get a kick out of you. Do you get paid to say that every 15 posts or so. You're kinda cute.


neilends
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:52 am

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that Democrats have won 4 out of the last 5 presidential elections, and the 1 win by a Republican was a war-time incumbency situation.


mskia
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:53 am

OMG…TY SO MUCH. I just had the best laugh I have had in long time. That was freaking HILARIOUS.

Now I know :-)


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:53 am

I think you're right. I take back what I said earlier. ;)

k


neilends
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:54 am

The constitutionality of McCain's qualifications is far more up in the air and unresolved than Obama's or any other president in history.


lkt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:54 am

Name one “abuse” that the current administration has committed? I hear and read you idjits saying this every day, but not one of you cite any examples.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:55 am

You just admitted he was a US citizen. McCain submitted his vital statistics to the United States Congress (a liberal majority Congress) and they agreed he was a natural born citizen. Are you saying the democRats in Congress are liars. At least McCain had the balls to submit his B.C. as requested. Obama slapped an electronic scan of a COLB up on the internet and ignored Congress' request. Wonder why?


SenhorTambor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:59 am

Funny, how you and your ilk gave nary a peep when the last guy suspended habeas corpus. The president can declare anyone an 'enemy combatant' and toss them in jail forever without legal representation or even charges filed.

This is the number one human right, protected by all democracies. Well, except for one. The Banana Republic of Amerika. And you helped him do it. So, we don't need to hear any lectures by the likes of you.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:59 am

Easy. They refuse to release their medical records, their college records, their birth records, their articles for the Harvard Law Review, their records from school in Indonesia, their passport, and anything else that would identify their status as a non-citizen. Don't you find it interesting that Obama went to a school in Indonesia that did not allow American citizens to attend??? He also went to Pakistan on a passport during a time when Americans were not allowed into Pakistan. Curiouser and curiouser. He's a Chicago politician. Look at what the rest of his Cronies in Chicago have gotten away with for decades. Oh, and I've seen no birth certificate for his mother either. Where she was born, doesn't matter. No one is disputing that she was an American citizen.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:00 am

“Find a new topic. You've lost!!!!!”

You mean, find a new topic, all these facts are scaring me.


mizflame98
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Ours. We as a community should address the problems in our own communities. Big government can't solve the problem. If it could solve the problems, Lyndon B. Johnson's war on poverty would have been won long ago, and Medicare and Medicaid wouldn't be going bankrupt. Smaller and less restrictive government is a way for everyone in the nation to prosper. We Americans are the most charitable people on the planet. We don't need the government to take from one group in the form of taxes to give to another. We give freely without Uncle Sam's interference.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:03 am

Now that is sheer ignorance if I've ever read it. Who issues birth certificates? States, or the Federal Government? Every state has different requirements for getting a B.C. This is what we were discussing. COLB vs. Long form B.C. issued by the STATE.


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:07 am

Yes, he is a US citizen NOW.

But the Constitution requires one be a NATURAL BORN citizen to qualify to hold the office of President.

So again, explain to me how anyone can be considered a NATURAL BORN citizen whose citizenship wasn't conferred upon them until six months AFTER their birth?

That's citizenship by way of collective naturalization. Which was done for people like McCain.

Seeing as you seem to like citing the United States Code, perhaps you'd care to go read 8 USC 1403, which is the law that conferred citizenship on those born to US citizens in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904.

That statute was enacted six months after McCain's birth.

k


HoustonAttny
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:08 am

No matter how the Obots try to spin it, the fact of the matter is;
despite his “poor-boy” myth, Obama is:

• a privileged African-American, educated at the finest schools, who has not shared the black American experience
• by birth, blood and training, a Muslim, who became a member of a Marxist, Black-African church
• a socialist whose politics are rooted in Marx and whose tactics were conceived by the communist, Alinsky
• a master at shaping his own mythology
• completely unqualified to be Commander in Chief
• and, he is not now, nor ever has been, a “natural born citizen”

Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no bona fides — no paper trail — nothing.
Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
Certification of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released (if one exists)
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records — Records lost (this is a big one — see here — read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None


thetruthserum
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:09 am

JR bottom line is all your multitasking has done is weaken your already baseless arguement.

If you hate the idea of Gov't Healthcare – FINE
If you think the stimulus is too much wastefull spending – SO BE IT.

But why weaken your arguement with scare tactics and dirty tricks????

You sound like a racist.


mskia
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:10 am

Who is this they that you speak of? “their medical records”, “their college records”, “their birth records”. When were Americans not allowed in Pakistan? Send me the article from a reliable news organization that says we were not allowed in Pakistan when Obama went. Or is this something your are regurgitating that you heard??
You have seen his birth certificate. You just want to see the long form…still for a reason unstated.


Eric
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:12 am

OMGWTF, you are dumb.


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:13 am

States issue birth certificates. Your claim had to do with CITIZENSHIP.

“Hawaii required this in order to confer citizenship on her child were he/she to be born overseas.”

Again, citizenship has absolutely NOTHING to do with Hawaii. Citizenship in the United States is covered by the FEDERAL Immigration and Nationality Act, otherwise known Title 8, Chapter 12 of the United States Code.

k


thetruthserum
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:14 am

What's funny is George W didn't provide any of this either, and he got RE-elected.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:15 am

I don’t think there is any difference – the meaning is essentially the same. Probably the reason to use the longer form is to distinguish two types of birth certificates – certificate of live birth and certificate of dead birth (not sure that they call it that, but they also keep records of that as well). I just checked my birth certificate (San Francisco, California, 1962), and it is entitled a “certificate of live birth”, not a “birth certificate”.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:16 am

LaLee:

I see you do not understand how the process works here in Hawaii and I am fresh out of educating people on this issue but I will say up until mid June of this year, The Department of Hawaii Homelands would not accept a COLB due to the lack of information and the need to actually verify the person was born in Hawaii. Recently, stated on their website but due to vital records and this birth issue of the president the Governor got the requirement changed but I understand that Dept. of Hawaii Homelands may still require the long form Birth certificate due to the land is reserved strictly for Native Hawaiians. Secondly, you need to research or read Hawaiian statues dating back to the 1960′s and recent laws to understand how COLB’s are handled and how newspaper birth announcements are handled as well. You have asked me to show you “just one” person who is not a native hawaiian and have records in the Department of Health. LaLee, one has to look no further than the president’s half-sister herself. Mrs. Maya Soetoro-Ng was born in Indonesia in 1970 and live there until in the 1980′s but at some point in time she returned here and has a COLB. Hope this helps you to understand the shoddy and corrupt system of records keeping that will allow this to happen but it’s all about the Benjamin’s! The more people you issue COLB’s the more money you receive for social programs and federal dollars. As for John McCain, search the library of congress’s congressional record and you will be able to find it. Sorry, but I am all researched out and people need to start reading the facts instead of following others and taking their word’s at face value. I hope this helps and thanks for the questions.


thetruthserum
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:18 am

Here's a fact…

OBAMA is as AMERICAN as JR

If Obama is not a citizen neither are you.

Why don't you go dig out YOUR Birth Certificate, if you really HAVE one and tell me what it says, and post it for all of us to see.


thetruthserum
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:21 am

What does it say about our country if a man can have so many apparent holes in his background and proof of identity that he can be a State and US Senator and still be elected president, and NEVER be found out?????

That is the question you birthers need to answer


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:22 am

What’s so dumb about what has been said?


cuteblackrepublican
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:22 am

I really wish people would just get off their high horse and either admit to being super-racist and being outraged that a negro is in office or just let this entire thing go since no matter what anyone says these 'birthers' are just going to keep arguing until they suck away all the oxygen from self-respecting Americans such as myself and fully destroy the wonderful republican party. Ha. But seriously, this all really needs to stop. Barack could walk out of the white house naked with a brand on his butt that said '100% American' and his proper birth certificate, social security card, the birth certificate of his mother, and all of the other crap these people are demanding and they would STILL say 'no it's all fake'. Just admit that you can't stand to see a non-white in office. I bet if he had taken more to his mother's skin tone y'all probably would not be making such a stink about this. If it's so bad put on your white sheets and shave your heads and march on Washington or something, maybe then you'll scare him into giving up what you want to see, or better still scare him out of the white house. But then we'd be stuck with Biden. Though, he's white so I guess it wouldn't matter that he can't put together a one piece puzzle.


rikker
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:26 am

Birfers are morons and the legitimate prey of their intellectual superiors. They shouldn't feel bad about this. It's the law of nature


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:26 am

In my whole life I've only seen one president's birth certificate. Barack Obama's.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:31 am

Koyaan,

Are you serious and are you intentionally switching the argument to McCain? I wonder why are you concerned about McCain’s citizenship and eligibility when he lost the election but the man in office is the one the questions should be directed to! Why aren’t you applying your same arguments to Obama? Maybe, because you are afraid to be called racist or you don’t care because he’s a Demoncat!


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:32 am

That's because you have not looked hard enough. Both former presidents' records are part of the National Archival Records. Nevertheless, it is a known fact that they have proven their eligibility for the office by providing all necessary documentation to the Armed Forces where they both served as Military Officers. Do your homework and use better logic when discussing such sensitive issues as Constitutionality and eligibility requirements to occupy the office of the President of The United States of America!


koyaan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:37 am

How 'bout we get back on topic here?

I'm still waiting for some smart cookie to tell me where image 1 came from. Many are assuming that it was the image that Orly released, because on first blush, it looks just like it. However no image that's been released by Orly that I've seen is of the same resolution or level of quality as image 1.

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gopfail
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:46 am

Good for you for taking a stand against moronism in your party.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:52 am

cuteblackrepublican is a nice try to throw unsuspecting people off. As a 100% Disabled Veteran and a 22 year military veteran I am offended by your assertions that anyone who questions any politicians word(s) then they must be “racist”, skinheads, or Klansmen. Nothing can be further from the truth and you are truly misguided and possibly exhibiting your “racist” attitudes toward people that do not agree with your viewpoint(s). As a point in fact, you should not blame Americans that are asking legitimate questions of our President and elected politicians but, in fact, the blame and the brunt of your anger should be directed towards the President to release all of his records for public viewing. Of course this would include his “long form” (vault) birth certificate to end all of the manufactured uproar over something the President has not done yet. Place the blame where it belongs; squarely on the President's shoulders, although he has a Constitutional duty to oblige the same American populace that voted for him while wishing and hoping that he was or is “qualified” and “eligible” to hold the Office of the presidency, which he took an oath on the Bible and “swore to uphold and to defend”. Lastly, let's stop the lies about him being the first black president because history tells us that he is possibly the 5th or 6th president to be of mixed blood (black/white). Let's not blame other Americans for questioning their elected officials because “We the People” are the ultimate watchdogs of our government and our lives!


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:54 am

mskia:

The difference in a certification and a birth certificate is very simple. First the COLB- Hawaii often conferred a COLB to children born overseas but based upon a parent or friend calling the Dept. of Health and by signing a sworn affidavit that the child was born in Hawaii. No investigation or witnesses required. That explains Hawaii’s process in a nutshell. In many states they give a birth announcement which states (Certification of Live Birth) to basically tell the baby’s name, mother and father’s name, time and date of birth, and state at which the child was born.

The Certificate of Live Birth is also known as the Birth Certificate or the Vault copy. This is the only certifiable birth certificate one can use to gain a passport, register for school or college, or to initially gain a drivers license. This is the official copy to prove absolute citizenship because it lists the before mentioned information with much more indepth information such as the doctor’s name and title, the hospital born, the state where you were born, your mother and father’s names, ages, and nationalities, and mother and father’s occupations. As you can see, this is a more detailed and thorough form that gives you the privileges of knowing whether you are a “natural born citizen” born to two American citizens or a “citizen” being born to one citizen or, in many cases, just born in the US to illegal aliens or naturalized citizens.

All of this becomes important when it comes to running for governmental offices and the presidency. Otherwise, people would not care but if you usurp the constitution then our laws mean nothing and we are then a country of men and not laws. We have seen over the period of history what happens to societies when laws become obsolete!


gopfail
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:55 am

Do your homework. Obama has top secret security clearence – meaning the feds did his background check.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:58 am

Blind, useful idiots are even worse! If you hate the country enough to try and quiet dissent then maybe you should find another country that would allow you to carry your hatred as open as the United States.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:04 am

It shows how ignorant or unintelligent you are if you think that I am speaking for any party. Therefore, once again someone has shown their ignorant colors and hatred for others opinions besides their own. If you are still voting or siding with a particular party then you are a very obtuse thinking individual that is being taken for a ride by either party. You need to rethink what has your party ever done for you or your family, lately or historically? Keep being a useful idiot; it seems that we have a lot of those in America lately!


Meh
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:19 am

If it said Bush was born in Kenya, Dan Rather would still claim it was real.


zoltan
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:21 am

Wait, I'm confused. Does this mean 9/11 wasn't an inside job?


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:23 am

Ok, I get. If you say something then I am suppose to believe it, right? Let me ask you a couple of questions: 1) do you work for either the FBI or the US Secret Service, 2) were you a participant in the background investigation of President Obama, 3) if not, how can you emphatically state that Obama has a Top Secret clearence (sic); clearance?


di butler
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:23 am

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz.


jokerface
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:27 am

So.. when do we get to see Obama's grades? And read those wonderful essays he wrote, which have been deemed Not Suitable For Public Knowledge? You know, that whole inconvenient period where he was doing coke and hanging out with terrorists like Bill Ayers.

Come on, when Bush was President the MSM was practically his proctologist. How about a little less lapdog and a little more watchdiog?


slimslowslider
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:32 am

Many of HoustonAttny’s points have been debunked, yet these points are still going on and on… what is there to do besides mock, point and laugh?


slimslowslider
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:37 am

Good thing he was born in America!


slimslowslider
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:42 am

You must be so pissed at that guy above who called Democrats “Demoncrats” then, right? I mean, I am sure you will post a nice lil lecture to that person, right?


ydnar76
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:43 am

This is just SO funny.I wonder if J.Stewert had anything to do with it.It certainly bears the marks of TDS.Ms.taitz it seems is trying her DAMNEST to become some new wave ultra-right spokesperson,al la Limbaugh(Vicodin man),or Anne Coulter(Phylis Schlaphly's illegitimate daughter).Unfortunately she is so ridiculously submoronic,she makes Coulter seem like an Einstein.
I once remember Sen.Franken(I just love saying that)say that Rush Limbaugh was a big Fat idiot.Your honor I think you are an incurable optomist.If Rush is a BFI then the newer Johnnie(and Janie)-come-letelies of the fringe right,while certainly no bigger or fatter,are MUCH more idiotic.


Pablo
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:45 am

Hawaiian Homelands doesn’t require that a person be born in Hawaii, as it is a program for those of 50% or more native Hawaiian descent. A COLB won’t get you in, nor would an original form. You need genealogical records to prove your Hawaiian ancestry. And you could be born in Las Vegas to 1 fully Hawaiian parent and still be eligible.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/dhhl/applicants/applyhhl/#birth

A guy from Rhode Island shouldn’t have to be telling you this, Taylor.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:58 am

Note: thumbtyped from my BB so forgive me in advance for any spelling errors.

To answer your interrogitory, no, nor do I personally care to. I’m only commenting on the debate itself rather than holding a particular view within it. Logic says put it out there “officially” to settle it. Or, if he did show it to the proper people who are responsible to confirm such things during a presidential election then let’s have them confirm they checked his legal ability to be President. The old saying “Air is a great antiseptic” is still true today. This was afterall to be the most transparent admin in history. This is a prime opportunity to demonstrate that promise. In so doing these who have been dubbed “birthers” will fade away. Isn’t that what the left side of the bomb throwing should want? Or does having the right side bomb throwers shouting serve some purpose?

At the end of the day debate has always been considered healthy for a free democracy or in our case republic. This is only true though when civility reigns. Otherwise the debate spirals into foolish name calling as is evident by this forum from too many who wish to shout down opposing views (from both sides). Not referring to yourself per se. Despite undertones you have been rather polite by comparison, to your credit.

Signing off now. I enjoy discussing issues of the day with those of opposing views through civil discourse. This is simply not the forum for that. It seems that the very people who have screamed for tolerance and open debate over the previous 8 years suddenly have no need for it themselves.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:01 am

As a Hawaiian resident, I am getting so tired of people lying about the president and statements purportedly said by Hawaiian officials. Maureen, I know you may mean well but your statement referring to the president being born in Hawaii and the Hawaiian officials confirmed his birth is patently false. Hawaiian officials have stated that they have viewed his “Certification of Live Birth” and found that they do have his records on file, but on the other hand, they will not verify that the “Certification of Live Birth” the president has touted as his birth certificate, is even authentic or even generated from their office. You would think they would be glad to verify it as a true copy, wouldn't you? Secondly, McCain had to appear before a special Senate hearing and to present his long form Birth Certificate to verify his eligibility which was confirmed by the Senate after reading the US Constitution and historical founding documents describing the qualifications and eligibility for the office, this was never done for Obama whether you or anyone else like it! Lastly, please read the Constitution and forget about race for a few minutes to understand the gravity of the situation and what's at stake. I did not like the constant berating of our last president but I understood Americans rights to voice their anger and to reign in what they thought was unjust so be so kind to support others that don't agree with this president and hold him accountable like the others before him. By the way, we are diverse but no one has to accept what they perceive to be a violation of their rights and the Constitution. Although we live in a global world we have not given up our sovereignty nor have we elected European leaders to usurp our freedoms; understand what you're advocating is very dangerous and naive!


FemmeKat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:01 am

Taylor, gopfail was not referring to anything you wrote. He/She was applauding the post made by cuteblackrepublican above. If the comment was left for you, there would be an indentation of that comment under your post.

Perhaps you should take a deep breath, then exhale some of that hate inside you instead of spewing it here. It really is bad for your health, and it's polluting the comment sections. (Not that you're the only one doing it… but your mistaken assumption, overreaction and mean-spirited post were all crying out for condemnation.)

By the way… smiling helps to neutralize hate too. :-)


wayoutwest
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:07 am

I am an American.
I am the part you won't recognise.
But get used to me.
Black, confident, cocky.
My name, not yours.
My religion, not yours.
My goals, my own.
Get used to me.

Muhammad Ali

Or Barack Hussein Obama.
You lost, We won.
Get used to it.


stupidconsumer
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:10 am

“5th or 6th” black president? What are you talking about? He's the first president who LOOKS BLACK. That's all that matters. It doesn't matter that what happened before, or who had what in their family tree. Barak Obama looks obviously african american and he believes he is treated like one, viewed like one, so that's what he identifies as.

As for the other matter, basically you're saying that Obama should bow to a vocal minority because “they voted for him.” I somehow doubt that anyone who cast a vote for Obama over McCain is now uncertain about whether or not he was born on American soil. Now, then, that would imply that you're saying that Obama should bow to a vocal minority who did not vote for him and also has little or no political standing. Ignoring party lines, tell me why any president would do that, ever?


stupidconsumer
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:12 am

I agree with FemmeKat, and also that our comments to you are an example of said indentation!


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:13 am

What did you personally win? Has your situation or your family's situation changed for the better? What have you done to advance yourself or are you waiting for someone to tell you what to do? What have you won, or better yet, what will you have left in a few more months?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

Actually iif you have thoroughly read all me posts so far then you have answered your own question. Nevertheless your question is fair so I will answer it for you.

I find such bomb throwing from either side not only useless but harmful. There is simply no way that we all disagree an everything in society all the time. Yet such language builds walls that prevent the occasional possibilities for finding common ground. Such methods only demonstrate one’s lack of desire for actual meaningful communication.

If I took the time to admonish every insulting person on this forum there would be precious little time for the important things in life.

I hope you found that to be a fair answer to a fair question. Now I have one for you. I will read but not respond as I am detaching myself from this forum after this. Question: Will you now denounce the left leaning bomb throwers as I have readily done with the right bomb throwers? I believe you want to. Otherwise why would you suggest it from me only.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:33 am

It's obvious you don't know your history but that's another topic. Don't change the topic from “he's the first African-American or Black president to “he looks black”, and so what? Who cares how he looks but it is obvious that this is very important to you that he “looks black”. It's a sad statement but the facts are the facts and you have vividly stated them. Thanks for clearing up that matter for me! As for your second point, it is obvious once again that you know nothing about this man if you did you would not have made the following statement, “Barak Obama looks obviously african american and he believes he is treated like one, viewed like one, so that's what he identifies as.” Obama has never identified with the black community until he and Michelle got together as far as I can tell but I can be wrong. He was raised by his white maternal grandparents, he went to private and Ivy League schools and always lived in the suburbs so unless you have a similar background then your statement only stands to reason that most blacks know that he has not experienced what inner city blacks have experienced. Lastly, I am sure we can agree that every Americans voice should be heard therefore, just because you don't like what someone is saying or asking of government officials do not make those individuals any less valued than you. It is, in this case, the president's duty under the Constitution to provide clear and convincing evidence that he is without a doubt in anyone's mind that he is both “qualified” and “eligible” to hold the office of the presidency. If you need more proof just read and understand the Constitution, the United States Constitution and not Cuba or Russia! I would submit to you, yes, the president owes it to every citizen to quell whatever doubts he has created over his eligibility. The long-form birth certificate only cost $15 here in Hawaii and not upwards of $1 million which he has already paid to keep it hidden.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:39 am

Then I owe gopfail an apology. As for you, explain to me what is mean-spirited or hate filled about what I have said and try not to obfuscate what I have written.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:44 am

It's ok that you and Femmekat just want to use this medium as your personal propaganda tool but people are sick of hearing the same lies from you guys. Don't confuse the facts with hate or anger but the lies will not go unchecked anymore!


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:48 am

By the way, my comment was to his post and I don't think it matters whether it was to me or not, do you? I disagreed with what he said and commented, so follow your own advice femmekat:)


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

actually, i do work in defense. you need clearence to participate in classified programs. Top secret is the highest level. Of course POTUS has clearence, otherwise he cannot know about DOD activity! He also can’t read the security estimates and briefings he gets everyday. It’s against the law to give this info to a foreign national. All government employees submit to bckgnd checks if they want it. Clearence can also be revoked.


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Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

Why are these thousands of Americans uninsured? That is the first thing that needs to be examined. Tort reform is another. These ambulance chasing attorneys that are advertising on TV is another part of the problem. A lot of health care professionals prefer not to take the risk for fear of being sued and their malpractice insurance (that is through the roof) will go up. How about opening the insurance market to competition? Allow me to shop around for insurance and if I find one that is best for my family instead of having to rely on our employers?
Look, I don’t have all the answers but I do know when something looks bad and this plan looks real bad. I also understand that you are worried about the well being of your family; rightfully so. So am I. I also agree that Bush jacked things up too. I trust neither the Democrats nor the Republicans. The only thing I can think of as an alternative is less bureaucracy not more. One thing for certain is with this health care plan, you will be pining for the good ol’ days of spending an hour or more in the waiting room and having the choice of expensive medication. Obama is the same man who told a woman that under his plan, instead of her 100 year old mother getting a pacemaker, it would be cost effective to take a pain medication (FYI: You don’t treat heart arrhythmia with pain medications.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyscience.com%2Farchives%2F2009%2F07%2Fvideo_obama_tel.php&feature=player_embedded
I’m sorry, but I feel really uncomfortable leaving my life in the hands of people who feel the the Hippocratic oath is overrated and might determine if me or my family has outlived our usefulness and thus will be denied health care.


jale
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:27 am

It's not dissent moron, it's numbskullery.


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luckbfern
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:03 am

Correcting: asking “legitimate” questions. Gimme a break. He can release whatever document that's available and morons will still question his eligibility.
This is retarded. Every time new evidence surfaces, the story is changed. You've already drawn your conclusion, and no facts will change your opinion.
There's nothing in the constitution that requires him to show YOU and other whackjobs his birth certificate. He's provided the information he's provided to the public for political reasons not constitutional reasons. He's been confirmed as a citizen by multiple Hawaiian officials who have seen all of his birth records. But evidence doesn't move you. You'll just change your story and claim that there's a conspiracy by Hawaiian officials. Absurd!
And you can pretend like birthers are comfortable with a black guy in the White House. Some might be, but i guarantee that a plurality are bothered by it. Right wingers are notorious for xenophobia. I'm certain that didn't disappear with the election of a non-white guy with a foreign-born father.


apaulo
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:09 am

Why is it that people call me a racist simply because i do not agree with Obama?
Why is it that Liberals can spew out vile name calling and they are not hate-mongers?
Why is it that I cannot speak my mind unless I fall into line with the Liberal phylosphy?
Why is it that I cannot voice an opinion without being called white-trash, redneck, stupid, dummy, etc..?
When will the world get better as Liberals promised after the Messiah Obama was elected?
When will the Democratic controlled senate, house and presidency get something done?
Why is it ok for a black or latino person to be racist and not ok for a white person?

If anyone has some answers, I sure would appreciate it.
thx :)


JustAMom
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:56 am

aww. cute! Glad to know that Ashton Kutcher is so involved in politics!

Or, not.

Did this guy intern for Dan Rather?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

Obama did demonstrate his eligibility to run for the office of president when he filed to run in 2007. He made available his birth certificate from Hawaii – a birth certificate that Hawaiian state officials have stated several times is authentic and proves that he was born in Hawaii in 1961. There is no requirement that original birth documents be presented. For every purpose where a birth record is needed, a state certified document of birth is accepted in the United States. It has been accepted for every previous President and candidate for President. Why are you changing the rules for Obama? As a veteran you also took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution says that anyone who is a natural born citizen and at least 35 years of age is eligible to serve as President. Obama is both so why are you not defending his right to be President, having been duly elected by the American people according to procedures laid out in the Constitution? By not defending Obama’s right to be president you are not defending the Constitution.


TomE
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

I think he was referring to the part where you asked “how can you emphatically state that Obama has a Top Secret clearence?”.

Do you think the President and Commander-in-Chief doesn’t have Top Secret security clearance?


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:01 am

luckbfern: yes, I said legitimate questions and what's wrong with that? The last time I checked the president along with all elected officials work for “We the People” and not the other way around. You mentioned “new evidence” could you clarify what evidence is that and while you're at it please clarify what the “old” evidence is. Any reasonable person that had or has an open mind would or could come to the conclusion that if you have nothing to hide then release all documents as all other presidents have done so that he may be properly vetted and rightly scrutinized as his predecessors have done. As far as your whackjob statement, it shows who the whackjob is by the ignorant statement you have made by stating (paraphrasing) that there is nothing in the Constitution that requires him to show his birth certificate. Well, it is clear that the only way to prove that you meet the requirements under the constitution is to provide a certified copy of your long-form birth certificate; you know, the one that your parents had to provide to your elementary school for you to register, the one that you had to provide to play little league sports (if you ever played anything), and the one that you have to provide to your college in order to qualify for financial aid (if you went to college). So, there is a requirement to show me and other authorities the proof that you would claim qualifies you for the presidency. These facts may not fit your callous argument so I will expect you to change and to start blaming Bush for something soon! It is clear that facts do not move you and why does everything have to be associated with race. Based upon your argument of race one would assume that only blacks and or latino's elected Obama when nothing can be further from the truth. Following your logic, the same racist whites that voted for Obama are now the same racist whites that want him to provide all documentation to show that he is constitutionally eligible and qualified to hold the office; THAT'S ABSURD! Your comments about so-called right wingers really struck me as odd because my experience has been that left wingers and ideologue such as yourself, that continues to try and defend the indefensible, are xenophobic and outright racist when things are not seen through the same prism as you see things. Lastly, I am glad that you stated the ultimate disqualifier to the office; “a non-white guy with a foreign-born father”. The most important being the foreign-born father that was a British citizen and therefore passed on his British citizenship to his children through the British Nationality Act of 1948. You should reference the Constitution and the British Nationality Act of 1948 to bring yourself up to speed before readily defending someone or something you have limited knowledge about. By the way, did I mention that I am black?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

A president suspending habeus corpus during a time of war…..let’s see….whoe else did that? Abraham Lincoln. Geez, I guess we elect just anybody!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

What does British Nationality Act of 1948 have to do with the the Constitution which was ratified in 1789? The Constitution says “natural born citizen”. As opposed to naturalized citizen. It says nothing about the father’s nationality – it is not relevant.


Taylor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:19 am

your comment proves my point moron!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

Hey KenDunbar, perhaps you should educate yourself first, as you don’t appear to know the first thing about how to interpret case law. It is not the case that you just lift convenient quotes from cases and assume that they are abstract and universalizable statements of law. One must interpret case law by reading it in reference to the specific issue that was decided in the case, and it is necessary to consider the entire opinion and the role the specific passage plays in it.

For example, the quote from Minor v. Happersett is deceptive – it has been cut off (I’m sure not by you, as you most likely just lifted this from some birther primer) right at the illuminating passage: “Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.” The issue in the case was the citizenship of a specific person both of whose parents were born in the US. So it is a further, but quite separate and distinct issue, as to whether a person born in the US, but having only one or no parents who are citizens, still becomes a US citizen. The case does not decide that issue (“For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.”), and comments by the court on that issue are dicta, hence according to American legal principles are not binding as law.

You should, thus, understand that an affirmative statement of legal principle made in a law case is not the same as a legal proposition in a statute (which by its nature is meant to be of a general nature and apply to all things which its terms describe). In other words, a positive assertion about one thing can not be understood as meaning the same is not the case for another thing. Put otherwise, even if the Court’s opinion states that persons born in the US of two parents who are citizens are themselves natural born citizens, that does not mean that everybody else not coming within that class of persons is not a natural born citizen. This distinct group clearly is; as to the other group, the Court is not deciding about that in this case.

The separate and distinct issue mentioned above was decided in US v. Wong Kim Ark, the second case you cite. However, the passage you cite was a dissent, not the opinion of the Court, hence not binding as a statement of law. The Court’s opinion in that case decided that a person born on US soil, both of whose parents are foreign, nonetheless becomes a US citizen. That is now settled law in the US. So declarations to the contrary, made on TV by pseudo experts like Orly Taitz or Philip Berg are an absurd joke. It only shows that these two abuse their legal knowledge (if in fact, they have sufficiently high legal skills to understand what they are talking about).


ReasonCheck
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:35 am

This is quite unbelievable! Is this what the US has come down to? You should all be ashamed of yourselves. As a South African I have always admired America as a beacon of hope for the world. It has always stood for what was possible and achievable.

But this absolute nonsense, a patently racist-inspired conspiracy theory built on a tissue of lies, has reduced your nation to a laughing stock. I take no pleasure in that.

Isn't it interesting that the birther cretins consider themselves “skeptics”, scratching around in every nook and cranny to prove their point, yet show no skepticism when a blatantly false piece of “supporting evidence” is produced.

Grow up!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

Why don’t you freedom loving, patriotic, red blooded Americans tell us the real reason why you are so upset? If i have to deal with racism, I personally prefer to have my racism the old fashioned way. In my face and expressed with honesty. All this talk of birth certificates, tea bags, socialism and facism(by the way how can a person be a socialist and a fascist?….but i digress) are excuses to vent your anger at one thing. So please own your feelings and be honest about your true motives and intentions.


daniel565
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:03 am

This is silly. You don't get rid of such a rumor or smear by ignoring it or making fun of the people who believe in it.

You get rid of it by providing evidence that it is a lie. Problem is, Obama supporters demand that those who believe this myth stop their believing out of moral considerations. But that is no way to deal with curiosity. Curiosity wants to be satisfied.

But the only thing you achieve by this is fto uel the belief in a conspiracy.

So I would say both sides are at fault. But the main mistake lies with the Obama team which allows this issue to fester. It may be a very wise move from a political point of view, as it allows republicans to make fools out of themselves.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

Taylor, Obama’s sister DOES NOT HAVE A HAWAIIIAN COLB.

If you disagree with this statement please show me a picture of her “Hawaiian COLB.”

Oh and you have provided NO LINKS to back up ANY of your assertions.

Do you expect us to believe what said regarding Obama, his ssiter or McCain just because you said so?

You can say whatever you want about FactCheck’s pictures of Obama’s COLB or Hawaaian officials statements but at least we have them to back up our assertions that Obama is an NBC.

What do YOU have as evidence?


billcarson
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:06 am

ReasonCheck: “a patently racist-inspired conspiracy theory built on a tissue of lies, “

That's a very “Racist” thing of you to say!

You charge racism without a shadow of evidence. You wouldn't do that if Obama was white. You are a racist. No wonder you hate America, the place where more than any other country, people are “judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin”, their religion or nationality.

You're a typical brain-dead backward pseudo intellectual-wannabe unable to grasp the deeper internals of freedom and justice. The birth certificate issue is idiot bait for both the anti and pro Obama/socialism people. There are racists on both sides, and it's those who bring up race without provocation who expose their inability to think any deeper than race. Nice work racists – cowardly hiding behind your screen name.


billcarson
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:17 am

apaulo -”Why is it that people call me a racist simply because i do not agree with Obama?”

Because they are racists, not to mention intellectually corrupt. Call them on it. They're not “reverse racist”. There's not such thing as reversed racist. They're not “racial”, racial is benign. They're racists for making disparaging assumptions about people (you) based on your race. That's racism defined. Hit them back with it, and don't let them wiggle away.


Pablo
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:23 am

Huh. A South African tossing charges of racism around willy nilly. Now that's rich.


daniel565
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:26 am

@cuteblackrepublican

“Just admit that you can't stand to see a non-white in office.”

How about we turn it around and you admit Americans voted for Obama not because of his policies or his ideas, but because of the color of his skin. Which makes them racist by voting for him.

Great, is this constructive? I think not. Perhaps we should not call each others racists, and instead listen.

People on the right saw how the media responded to George Bush and Sarah Palin and they expect a similar behaviour towards the new people in power. That would be only fair and is incidentally also the job of the media. They're the ones to expose the lies and uncover the truth. It is not their task to decide for us what we would like to know or not or to protect those in power. Furthermore, by not answering questions you allow things to fester, and that is not very constructive either. Don't you agree?

I think it is a big mistake that the media protects Barack Obama. Of course people should know what he wrote in collage and of course the media should investigate his past. The fact that they don't, and the fact that as a result a smart and likable fellow who is totally unqualified to be president was elected to the White House may in the end mean that Obama will be the first and for the forseeable future also be the last black president.

It also could mean some fool may make all the wrong conclusions, connect the wrong dots and will attempt to kill him. However this plays out, from a racial-harmony point of view, his presidency will prove to be a setback.

This can already been seen in the argument 'you lost, we won so shut up'. Or the idea that those who oppose them only do so because of the color of his skin. I fear that in the US, just like here in Europe, communication between oposing factions is simply not possible. We have lost the ability to listen to each other and catastrophy will be the result.


igotsix
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:47 am

There is one MAJOR problem with this alleged forgery.

There is something over the word “Maiden” in the Mother section of the form the first image. There is also a stain on the paper above the word. On the second image, the “something” isn't there, but the stain is. Now that's no big deal, but the revealed word under the “something” isn't “Maiden”. It's “Maieen”. Either the forger added this “something” to the document because of his typo, or he photoshopped it out of the document, and didn't think about copying in the correct letter, or removing the stain.

This could too easily be someone who owned the same rug or quilt and figured he could claim responsibility for the document.


billcarson
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

“Of course I don’t hate America. I have always held up America as a country to admire and its people to emulate.”

Nonsense, it’s impossible to reconcile “I don’t hate America” with “it has reduced your nation to a laughing stock.” Calling a nation a laughingstock and saying I hate America is a distinction without a difference.

Maybe you didn’t used to hate America, but now, you hate America. You are lying ReasonCheck. You hate America. Worse, you’re too cowardly to admit it. That also makes you a fraud and a coward.


C
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:57 am

Where was all your energy for “legitimate questions” when Bush was busy lying the country into a war of convenience?


alyalyinfree
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:06 pm

Seems like the Karl Rove Punk of Dan Rather. Maybe it was a forgery of the real thing with a few changes. Seems like a Rovian way to bait and switch the focus of the media. Put out a forgery which confirms suspicians, discredit the forgery and then you have discredited the allegations. Clever but been there, done that and has no relevance to the real story. Just show the records….


gusgus
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

To answer is easy, to be allowed that answer is where you have denied it. The denial of the truth is all we are asking to be reversed. Allow the records opened. It is an easy answer, and easy ending and America then gets to move forward with a legitimate president.


billcarson
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

Nell: “The guy “admires America as a beacon of hope for the world,” but you think he “hates America.” Um…”

You are a sloppy reader Nell. ReasonCheck also said, “it has reduced your nation to a laughing stock.” Calling a nation a laughingstock and not hating America is a distinction without a difference. ReasonCheck hates America, but he won’t publicly admit it, and I presume that you can figure out why.

Nell: “You think that America is the place where people are judged least on the basis of race? Why don;t you check with some of your minority friends… if you have any.

There, you are a racist! You implied I’m a racist based on nothing but your assumption of my race and that I don’t believe America is a relatively racist country. Making derogatory comment about me based on my race is being a racist.

And FWIW, you also have a reading comprehension problem Nell. I said America is freer of bigotry from race, religion and national origin than other countries, not free of it. My European friends report bitter repression withing European countries based on nationality or ethic heritage. My Asian friends have reported the same in Asia, along with a widespread prejudice there against Blacks and Mexicans. Technically, that’s a wider bigotry rather than just racism, but the cruel results are the same if not worse.

Every nation suffers from bigotry. It’s the result of our unchecked lower collectivist nature. We all have to overcome that gutter thinking, American appears to be the least affected, probably due to our diverse heritages and our generally greater promotion of individualism, democracy, and liberty.


ReasonCheck
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:28 pm

Well argued, dude. Finely nuanced.


kalimahsamiullah
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

This whole birther movement is such nonsense! It is amazing to me how much ignorance, racism and anger is associated with this movement. Shame on the Republicans for allowing this birther movement to go on and on. How small of you! It just shows that the majority of Republicans are nasty, immoral and racist because most of this backlash against the president is based on racism. Get over it people Barack Obama is the president- deal with it and show some respect. For thosw who want to believe that racism has nothing to do with this birther movement and the refusal of Republicans to support the president- then I have a bridge to sell you- it's in Alaska. Aside from the fact that many do not want to support Obama because he is black- there is also the fear especially among Republicans and some spineless Democrats that this president may actually be smart and savvy enough to get health reform passed and get the economy back on track. One would think that the president's efforts would be overwhelmingly supported but haters such as those in Congress do not see it that way. These are the same people who are always talking about how much they love America but are now doing all they can to destroy this country by not doing what they should about health care reform and by acting in a sincere bi-partisan way to support President Obama and his efforts to reform healthcare. Instead they conjure up lies and misinformation and feed the lies to as many gullible people as possible and the people go for it. how many actually listen to the president. You need to turn off Rush for a minute and read and listen about what this health care reform can do for this country.If the birther movement and the other nonsense continues then we are no better off than those countries that we are always criticizing for not doing the right thing. God help us all! and God bless President Obama!


Nell
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:39 pm

So what you're saying is that all South Africans are racist?


billcarson
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

ReasonCheck: “You wouldn’t do that if Obama was white. No, because you wouldn’t be looking into his birth certificate if his father was say, a white pastor from Canada. Let’s be honest here.”

Of course I’d demand the birth certificate of an opposition candidate if 1) their birthplace was seriously in question and 2) if the birth certificate would settle it (which IMHO doesn’t apply with Obama). You appear to have a damn low opinion of humanity ReasonCheck.


Nell
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:46 pm

The guy “admires America as a beacon of hope for the world,” but you think he “hates America.” Um…

You think that America is the place where people are judged least on the basis of race? Why don;t you check with some of your minority friends… if you have any.


teresaInPa
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:49 pm

that is what I was thinking. But then I always call Axelrod Axelrove. I see no difference in the two just like I see little difference in their bosses. Ain't Alinsky grand?
I am not a birther, but I do have to wonder what Obama is hiding. Rather than spend hundreds of thousands to keep his BC hidden, why not just bring it out and show it?


Jim
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:49 pm

The “birthers”–and I have spoken/listened to several seem to be the folks who don't read much. They depend on hearsay for their info and, believe me, there are lots of these white, uneducated, southern types here in NC…sad.


balihai
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:49 pm

Taylor, at least do us one favor-can you say 'paragraph'? If you want educated people to read your posts, then please write them as if you were one yourself.


teresaInPa
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

I agree. What would MLK think about all these guilty white liberals who judged the man by the color of his skin rather than the content of his character?


ReasonCheck
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

“You wouldn't do that if Obama was white.” No, because you wouldn't be looking into his birth certificate if his father was say, a white pastor from Canada. Let's be honest here.

“No wonder you hate America.” Of course I don't hate America. I have always held up America as a country to admire and its people to emulate. But when a large percentage of its citizens engage in hate-filled, xenophobic, ridiculous conspiracy theories, that admiration begins to wane. It saddens me when beacons of hope are defiled.


teresaInPa
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

hmmnn more race baiting by Obama supporters. Nice
What is racist is believing that there are no other reasons to dislike a black politician besides his race.


teresaInPa
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:57 pm

oh come on, the Obama background story is a bit more complicated than his father being from another country.
Stop seeing racism in everything. It is a very destructive habit.


teresaInPa
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

did you worry in the 90s about all the hate spewed at liberals and the endless smearing of the Clintons and Al Gore. Behavior has consequences. The right has been as bad or worse, so don't play victim.

ps… I am a liberal, do not like or support Obama.


billcarson
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

Lisa “If being called a racist hurts you, then perhaps there is more truth to the claim than you want to admit.”

Hogwash. Being labeled as a racist is an effective political weapon. Never ever allow someone to get away with it. And refuse to be put on the defensive about it.

If someone promotes disparaging assumptions about someone else based on their race, they’re a racist. Everyone has power. If they can move their lips, they have power to further their racist ideas.

I’m not particularly interested in untangling the deformed thoughts of my radical political opponents on order to convince them of anything. It’s very rarely possible. I’m more interested in countering their attacks so that a reasonable observer recognized their flaws.


bb
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

“He was raised by his white maternal grandparents, he went to private and Ivy League schools and always lived in the suburbs so unless you have a similar background then your statement only stands to reason that most blacks know that he has not experienced what inner city blacks have experienced.”

Are you sure you are black Taylor? You sound very angry and ignorant. It does not matter whether as a black man you are raised by white folks in the subburbs or go to ivyleague schools, you will always be treated like you are black. Taylor you claim to be black, I am surprise you dont know this.


teresaInPa
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

you have got to be kidding. Both bush and Obama have gotten a pass from the MSM both when running and when governing. I think you meant to say that they were practically Gore and Clinton's proctologist.


Sewmouse
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

Ok, there is really only ONE way to deal with people like these “Birthers”. No proof will ever be good enough for them. GOD HIMSELF could come down from the heavens and proclaim in a voice heard by all in the universe “BARACK OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII” – and they'd claim it was the short-form God and wouldn't believe it.

No, the only way to deal with their childish antics is to answer them in kind. POINT… and LAUGH.

The lady who stood up in the town-hall meeting and screeched like a harpy as she waved about her birth certificate? How would she have handled it if everyone around her, instead of sitting like headlight-struck-elk, had turned, pointed at her, and laughed their butts off LOUDLY??

That, my friends, is how I intend to handle EVERYONE who mentions this stupid non-issue to me. Point at them. Laugh AT them. Louder than they can screech. I can laugh REALLY LOUDLY when I want to do so.


JackOkie
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

This “birther” stuff is a distraction. Of course there are a few people who have gone off the deep end, but the vast majority of us raising the issue are concerned about the veil of secrecy drawn around all of the important details of Obama's life. In the context of everything he has held back, the birth certificate just one of many issues.

I am an American citizen, not a subject, not a serf. Obama is not my king. As American citizens, we have a duty to seek the information we need to meet OUR responsibilities. There was no due diligence from the media during the campaign, so we are having to do it ourselves.

How many of you scoffing at the “birthers” have heard of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge? How many of you know how Obama's college was paid for? What kind of grades did he have? Bush, Kerry, Gore, McCain, Clinton – we had a great deal of information about them.

When politics becomes the only criterion, it damages the fabric of our society. Had the Republicans taken the same attitude as modern Democrats, Nixon would have been praised to the skies rather than being forced our by Republicans. Please think about it.


billcarson
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

: As they look around at the ones in their teabagging/birther groups — an unending sea of white faces! — they don’t want anyone to point out the obvious. The Klan, in its extreme, didn’t believe blacks were citizens with rights to lead either. These people are their children.

What a racist you are Tammi! You’re going around disparaging a whole class of people just because of their skin color. Racism is the most gutter form of collectivism, and there you are – living in the gutter.

So because extreme racists challenge the humanity of other races, white people challenging Obama’s citizenship are racist? Really? That’s what you consider evidence? You are one very stupid person on top of being a racist. But then again, those features are often found together.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Hilarious. I say that he has no constitutional requirement to show his birth certificate to political opponents and the evidence that you cite that he does have a constitutional requirement is people’s requirements to show birth certificates to government agencies. I’ve filled out many government documents and they take multiple forms of proof, including passports and social security cards. If what you’re implying is true and the president doesn’t have a birth certificate, then he wouldn’t have a passport, which he does, nor would he have been eligible to attend school in Hawaii, which he did, nor would he have been eligible for financial aid in college. I’ve never had to show my birth certificate to a political opponent to meet any qualifications.

Since when did British law override American law? Seriously? The only way that can happen is if the two countries enter into a treaty regarding citizenship. Don’t appeal to the constitution when you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Britain can make all the laws they want. That doesn’t mean shit in this country. They have no jurisdiction. Any other foreign laws you would like to take precedence over American law?

“you stated the ultimate disqualifier to the office” (foreign-born father) Exactly as i said. You’ve already made your conclusion. Even if it’s proven beyond reasonable doubt that he was born on American soil, you will still hold that he’s not eligible. Birth certificate shmirthcertificate. You’re full of shit.
Evidence:
- His birth certificate and birth records have been verified by multiple Hawaii officials.
- Two newspaper birth announcements 48 years ago.
- Certificate of live birth verified to be genuine by multiple news organizations and Hawaiian officials.
But you’ll probably claim it’s all some great conspiracy by multiple parties that began 48yrs ago. You probably believed that the Kenyan birth certificate that crazy lady was waving around was genuine.

How bout you read what i said. “you can pretend like birthers are comfortable with a black guy in the White House. SOME might be, but i guarantee that a plurality are bothered by it.” This is fact. Some are okay with a black guy, but many are not.
Ever learn about the post Jim Crow era when many laws were passed to discriminate against blacks without ever explicitly stating that it was because they were black? Did this phenomenon magically dissappear from existence. I covert racism doesn’t exist anymore. But i’m sure that you’re okay being a part of advancing the agendas of the many, many racists that have ulterior motives for bringing this issue up. And you are naive as hell if you don’t believe these people exist.


Zina Zellman
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

This is wonderful. The birth certificate “scandal” perpetrated by the wing nuts is just laughable because it shows the depth of their desperation to get noticed. Lou Dobb is showing signs of dementia and I hope CNN will rid themselves of that cockroach. Bravo! I love this.


jay666
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

This is just more B.S. and smokescreens from the ignorant and useless democrat syncophants.The war is starting and blood will flow.Race will be the driving factor and blacks should be well aware of the danger that awaits them if the cheap psycho-racist tag keeps getting flaunted about to describe Obama's detractors.Here is one slightly deranged but obviously well funded black man who sees what is about to happen-http://la-gun.com/email/manning/


Michelle
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

You know the reason this whole meme was so effective is that there is NOTHING American about Obama's political philosophy. There isn't a dimes worth of difference between him and Hugo Chavez right down to the civilian defense force, enemies lists, support for Marxist coups in South America and nationalization of the economy. No one wants to believe a man this devoid of reason and this ignorant of economics, history and diplomacy can actually have been born in the US. No one wants to believe that a person this brazenly anti-American could have been educated in our universities.

But he was — and that is the scariest part.

We will be lucky to avoid a civil war before this guy is done because he is undoing every single thing that the founding fathers sought to instill in our country. You don't get to say that you thought the Marxist professors at your university were “cool” and have any claim to understanding what America is about. Not everyone is going to stand still while their chains are being fitted. Those people will have to be cowed by some method. Right now that work is being outsourced to unions like the SEIU who were sent in to rough up the protesters in MO. Once the civilian defense force is fully funded Obama won't have to rely on the unions for this type of thing.

All of the guys who live in their mother's basements who thought Obama was cool have a hard lesson to learn. 51% of the people don't get to loot the other 49% (and the next generation) just because there are more of them. America was set up to explicitly limit the power of government to do just that. It will be interesting to see if the American way or the Chicago way prevails in the end.

Who cares about the birth certificate… it is his politics that is explicitly un-American. The birth certificate was just a pipe dream by those wanting to avoid the conflagration that is inevitably coming. Unfortunately, now we won't get to skip that part.


Lisa
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

It is not “racism defined.” Racism is not simply “making disparaging assumptions about people based on race,” it is about enforcing or elevating those assumptions through cultural norms or societal institutions. It is impossible for a minority to oppress or be racist against a majority because the majority holds the power. Same way that a woman cannot really be sexist against a man, they lack the power to enforce that dominance in any real way.

To apaulo and billcarson, they call you a racist because your disagreement seems to never go farther than “He is a liberal and so wrong” or “He is a socialist/communist and so evil” or “He isn't eligible to be POTUS” or “Nothing has been done” or “Those people aren't white and don't think that they would be better if they were, RACISM!” None of these are legitimate political arguments (although you certainly have a right to shout them from the rooftops if you desire), none of them are factual on their face, and most of them seem to bring up race in what should be a discussion of qualifications or ideological differences. (In case you are unaware, bringing up something obvious like “I belong to a minority and I feel that this has helped my life in some way” is in no way like “Since she thinks she is special as a minority, she hates the majority and is a total racist.” Palin thinks she has gained something from her time in Alaska, this does not make her anti-the other 49 states. Romney thinks he gains something from Mormonism, this does not mean he is anti-Evangelical or anti-Semitic or anti-Catholic. I think I have gained something from being a new Battlestar Galactica fan, this does not mean I am anti-non Sci-Fi networks, or original BSG or whatever an opposite/Other to new BSG might be.)

Finally, calling a non-racist a racist is a lot like saying in earnest that a woman is a man or the sky is the ground or the USA is Mars. They will not be offended so much as they will doubt your sanity and rationality. If being called a racist hurts you, then perhaps there is more truth to the claim than you want to admit.


taintzdorlee
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

“The war is starting and blood will flow.”

jay666…You're either doing some brilliant comedy…or, wait…have you been trying to make your way through The Turner Diaries again?
Look, Mr. 2nd Grade Reading Level…stop hurting yourself, ok?
The war is starting in your brain, and the blood will flow if you trip and fall and hit your nose on the bathroom sink…again.


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neilends
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

You're just a pissed off Republican. Who really cares about your assessment of whether his “politics are un-American”?

I represent the majority of American voters, who elected him into office. You don't. I think his politics are completely in line with American politics and American values. Who are you to disagree? Oh that's right… a Republican.


neilends
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

A lot of fluff and no substance.

The details of Obama's life are as well vetted and covered as any other president's life. How much do you really know about George Bush's addiction to cocaine? How much do you know about his history as an alcoholic? How about John McCain and the circumstances in which he dumped his first wife after she was an injured in a car accident, after cheating on her repeatedly? How about McCain's involvement in suppressing the DEA investigation into his wife's embezzlement of funds from a charity she was managing? How about McCain's involvement in the S&L fraud, for which he was disciplined by Congress?

The truth of the matter is that you know nothing about those topics, and you don't really care. Only now that we have a president whose politics you disagree with do you choose to create false issues about “the details of his life.” The fact that Obama has led a more up-standing, righteous and morally correct lifestyle than any Republican nominee we've seen in a long time is somehow irrelevant to you.

What a joke.


yephora
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

“Who really cares about your assessment of whether his “politics are un-American”?”

Answer: Every PATRIOTIC, FREEDOM-LOVING AMERICAN. That's who!


neilends
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

“You get rid of it by providing evidence that it is a lie.”

Um… exactly that has already happened. He produced his birth certificate.


hreed
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

“How many of you scoffing at the “birthers” have heard of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge? How many of you know how Obama's college was paid for? What kind of grades did he have? Bush, Kerry, Gore, McCain, Clinton – we had a great deal of information about them.”

This has nothing to do with how Obama's college was paid for or what his grades were. It has everything to do with “he can't possibly be a real American regardless of where he was born because he is black and has a funny name and his father was a Kenyan Muslim.” That's the truth. Live with it. If you listen to Orly Taitz carefully her fall back position is that even if he was born in Hawaii he still can't be a natural born citizen because his father was not a citizen. Never mind that this standard has never been applied to anyone else who ran for president.


Name
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

Finally A Dream Comes True

Obama and his supporters:

“will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character”


Tammi
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

“If being called a racist hurts you, then perhaps there is more truth to the claim than you want to admit.”

That is it in a nutshell.

As they look around at the ones in their teabagging/birther groups — an unending sea of white faces! — they don't want anyone to point out the obvious. The Klan, in its extreme, didn't believe blacks were citizens with rights to lead either. These people are their children.


xcott
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

It's amazing how traumatizing it can be when people lose an election.

You always have some fringe group that just can't accept that the public chose the other guy; they'll go so far as to claim the election was rigged, or treat the whole thing like some sort of communist coup by zombie Hitler.

There's always a faction like this in every election year, but I've never seen this much crazy. Perhaps we as a nation are becoming wimpier, less able to cope with not getting our way?


Jeff Delury
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

Don't be a fool. Obama CANNOT release his college information for a very good reason. He worked as a researcher for Business International Corporation which was providing economic intelligence for the CIA. In other words, he was a covert CIA agent. Thus, he cannot provide ANY information re his college years due to it being classified as national security. It is believed that it was BIC that paid his tuition and he may have traveled using a US, British or Indonesian passport (undetermined) with the knowledge and approval of the CIA. Right wingnuts should be praising him for his service to this country, not denigrating him due to race and hatred.


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

The right wing is trying to start a civil war because they can't compete in a true Democracy. As long as the majority of voters were under educated white males and wealthy businesmen they had their way. They lied and manipulated the people, and both parties won. Now the world is changing. Better educated, socially responsible people of all races and creeds now outnumber these conservative neo-facists, and they are panicking. They see “their” America morphing into everybodys America, and this cuts into the big slice of pie that they have reserved for themselves. Rather than humble themselves the little bit that it would take to reach down and give the rest of their fellow citizens a hand up they will resort to anything. How long before someone is fired for wearing a polital button. How long before someone is beaten for asking for health care. How long before someone is lynched for trying to help his brother. The Republican party has been reduced to a party of southern re-constructionists, greedy profiteers and brain washed gun toting lackeys. If they have their way Jim Crow will be the law of the land again. Even as they read this and fume, deep inside they feel a longing for the old days, when people “knew” their place, thier daughters were safe from the “nigra's”, and the guvment was the local sherrif and Klan leader. They will never admit this, but they dream of it, and given the chance they will grind democracy under their shit kicking boot heels in the name of states rights and personal freedom. They will say the people have spoken, but like the cry of a spoiled two year old, who doesn't want to hear the truth and smashes everyones toys or tips over the birthday cake they will end up spoiling the day for everyone. So be careful America. Change IS coming, but if we are not dilligent it may not be the change we voted overwhelmingly for, but the change of the Limbaughs, or the Becks, or their Neo-Con right wing followers and they will drag this country down faster than the Titanic, and we all know who got the life rafts.


Name
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

The CA parole board will be revoking your computer usage while incarcerated if your not careful, Charlie.


Coxygru
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Flag-waving, self-proclaimed patriotic, Republican-voting, freedom-loving Americans are dwindling in number. The Republican party is on the decline. So, yeah, Neilends is right in his assessment of your position.

Anyone who takes the time to read the Republican Party's platform will see just how UNPATRIOTIC the party is.

http://www.gop.com/2008Platform

The concepts of liberty, justice, and equality for all just don't compute for them. The platform's paragraph on respect for equality concludes that minorities should be afforded no protections.

Who created “Homeland Security” and decided that the government had the right to listen in on and watch over everything every citizen does or says? The Bush-era Republicans, that’s who!

Who say they respect the rich ethnic make-up of America, yet spat out thinly-veiled racist and sexist objections to the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court? The Republicans, that's who!

Who keep shouting their America is a white, Christian country founded by and for white Christians only? The Republicans, that's who!

Who still believe the only good Indian is a dead Indian? The Republicans, that’s who! Of course, today, they phrase it differently: a good native American is an unseen Native American. (Uhm… hey, they still got lots of land we could take, right? Let’s go get it, Joe!)

Vote Republican – vote against individual freedom.


xcott
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

Sadly, this isn't a few people who have gone off the deep end. According to a recent poll, less than half of Republicans believe the president is a citizen. Contrast that with the rest of the voting public, of whom 90% agree he is a citizen, 5% say no, and 5% don't know.

In a fascinating numerical coincidence, the same poll broken down by geographic region has less than half of southerners believing, whereas in the rest of the country it's 90% agree, 5% no, 5% don't know.

I'm fear that the Republican party's strategy in the last few decades has abandoned the broad support of fiscal conservatives and handed the bullhorn to separatists and Birchers. Even these tea parties, which are ostensibly about fiscal moderation, are really shouting matches about zombie commie Hitler subverting the constitution with a secret SS ACORN squad poised any moment to start exterminating old people.

This used to be the party of William F. Buckley, the choice of people who would rather sit at a table and seriously discuss foreign and domestic policy; the other party was supposed to be for people whose solution to everything was shouting and waving vapid signs. Some time around the H.W. Bush/Clinton era, the leaders performed a punditectomy and replaced Buckley with Rush Limbaugh, and detailed analysis was replaced with smarmy jeering. Suddenly, calling the president's daughter a dog was considered a valid counterargument in a discussion about the economy.


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

So when did we get to see GWB's grades, or his drivers record, rap sheet, or his awol report, or his national guard discharge papers, and when did you and those like you bitch about it, and hold up forgeries. When did you call into question his abilities even after he and Cheney lied us into a war, and freed up business to screw us, and gave their friends billions in no bid contracts? Oh yeah, when you tried to ram McCain/Palin down our throats.


Fenbeast
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Funny… I'm an American, and I agree with a lot of his politics. Define “un-American” for me, Michelle, given that America is a pluralistic society that embraces people of ALL stripes, racial, political, and socio-economic. It's people who rant about how those who disagree with them are “un-American” that are truly worth of that title!


Fenbeast
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

He HAS shown it. He posted it to his web site when this question first arose back during the campaign. So has the state of frigging Hawaii, which is the entity that should be most insulted by all this crapola. Doesn't matter, because the birthers and those who don't bother to do basic research into the question (and yes, I mean YOU TeresaInPa) either won't believe the evidence or don't even know it's out there.


Fenbeast
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Amen.


Lisa
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

The right wing doesn't need to compete in a “true Democracy” because America is not a Democracy. Maybe the words “…and to the Republic for which it stands…” sound familiar. If you don't know why we are a Republic, ckeck out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8I9pLmuyyA


Yephora
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

Who said anything about Republicrats? Or Demonrats? I said patriotic freedom-loving Americans.

Take your pinko partisan spin and stick it.


jamo64
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Come on nit wit. We don't go around the world promoting republican…it's democracy. The form of Government that we have is Democracy arse wiper.


jay666
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

Charlie? funny stuff that…


jay666
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Go away,you're not a licensed therapist and you have been brainwashed. Sit back and wait for it to happen moron. You are not my problem.


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

That's right. The racists don't like being called racists, and if you call them that they will kill all the blacks. But they're not racist. Don't call them that.


jay666
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

Stop making excuses for B.S. that has been propagated by both sides of the political aisle. Our elected officials only care for themselves and their collective special interests.The current resident of the White House is a racist opportunist, where he was born and when make no difference in the grand scheme of things. We are being manipulated and lied to. White people are fed up with being labeled and manipulated. The end result is pretty easy to figure out even if you've been brainwashed since birth.Pay attention.


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Yes, you are a birther. Don't lie.


jay666
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Perhaps you're talking about Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton? They are racists and have no problem exploiting blacks for their own personal gain. Or maybe you meant Michelle Obama and her husband or maybe their pastor? I'm puzzled but not swayed, you're hopeless and irrelevant.


Tracy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

You sound like a terrorist.


Tracy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

lol!
and you have the nerve to call hreed a fool?
Put your tin foil hat on and go climb back under your bed.


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fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Hey, it's Glenn Beck.


fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

Wow, interesting that conservatives and Nostradamus have one thing in common: they both claim they can predict the future.


fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

“un-American” means you disagree with Michelle.


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GoldenDoor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

I'm about to fuck up your world.

A republic is a country in which the sovereign is not a monarch. It can take any form, so long as the sovereign is not a monarch. In a true democracy, the sovereign is not a monarch. It's the people. In a republic, the sovereign is the people, too. A true democracy is a republic, but a republic is not necessarily a true democracy. A republic can even be tyranny. Learn some fucking history you solecistic slag.


Tracy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

He did. It's not his fault you refuse to see.

Hawaii health officials have certified he was born in Hawaii
Republican Governor of Hawaii and other officials backed that up
Other news outlets investigated and found no basis for the wild accusation you have asserted
John McCain nor his staff were unable to substantiate the dumb @ss claim

Interesting how all the birther nuts were so easy to fool with the fake “copy” certified certificate posted on the internet but won't believe the one President Obama provided.

With someone like Orly representing that side, it's easy to understand the type of people that believe this nonsense.


Tracy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

He did. It's not his fault you refuse to see.

Hawaii health officials have certified he was born in Hawaii
Republican Governor of Hawaii and other officials backed that up
Other news outlets investigated and found no basis for the wild accusation you have asserted
John McCain nor his staff were unable to substantiate the dumb @ss claim

Interesting how all the birther nuts were so easy to fool with the fake “copy” certified certificate posted on the internet but won't believe the one President Obama provided.

With someone like Orly representing that side, it's easy to understand the type of people that believe this nonsense.


fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Most PATRIOTIC, FREEDOM-LOVING AMERICANS disagree with you. That's why we elected Obama President.

You and your kind are in the minority. Deal with it.


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Nope, I'm talking about you, dreaming of killing blacks.

The war is starting and blood will flow.Race will be the driving factor and blacks should be well aware of the danger that awaits them if the cheap psycho-racist tag keeps getting flaunted about to describe Obama's detractors.


Tracy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

“Isn't it interesting that the birther cretins consider themselves “skeptics”, scratching around in every nook and cranny to prove their point, yet show no skepticism when a blatantly false piece of “supporting evidence” is produced.”

Exactly.
Even Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin and Bill OReilly have called the people that believe this stuff “cranks” and nutty.
Probably one of the few times I have actually agreed with them.


fred
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

What an asshole.


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

OH! Is he racist against his white mother and grandparents, or his black father and grandparents, or his asian step family. You are being manipulated and lied to. On that we agree. Minorities have been lied to and opressed in America since its birth to a far greater extent than the majority because they were prevented from getting an equal education and access to the vote, I lived through Jim Crow and segregation. I have seen the Whites Only signs, and it wasn't all that long age. Now when the brightest man to become President in a long time comes along, one without all the political baggage and corperate connections of his predessors, you all assume that he is like you, only not as good, because he is half Black. If you didn't have an axe to grind you wouldn't be here, so stop pretending to be above the fray. Passing yourself off as neutral is just more of the big lie. The question is, are you lying to us, or to yourself.


dnari
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

Hahahaha! ….well played.


lynnekelly
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Actually, what we have in the US is a Democratic Republic. It is a republic founded upon the principles of democracy. “True Democracy”, just like “True Communism”, is not feasible for governing anything but the smallest of communities.


GoldenDoor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

She's an asshole for spreading disinformation.


GoldenDoor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Why not?


jay666
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

What in the world are you babbling about? Are you a licensed therapist as well? Am I only entitled to opinions that you,oh noble black man, approve of? Get off of your high horse and look in the mirror,you're a human being not a diety.I'm not neutral about anything I can assure you,except idling in traffic. Don't foist your tired, worn out social engineering experiments on me or anybody else.People disagree,deal with it.


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

Because a) getting every citizen to vote on every little thing our government does is not feasible, and b) the risk of tyranny of the majority.


jay666
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Stop projecting, you'll harm your delicate psyche. Arm chair psychologists bore me. How could someone like you have any idea what goes on in my mind let alone my dreams? Pompous, self serving lemmings all.


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

I'm also American and I agree with Obama, and think the last administration was a corperate facist state bent on stealing the peoples freedom. Sorry Michelle, looks like you were outvoted, not only in November, but here today as well.


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

You are typing them out here for all to see, psychopath.


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Yes, but the majority disagre with you.


jay666
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Now that's funny! First I'm Charlie Manson, now Glenn Beck. How do you know I'm not Santa Claus or maybe even your boss. How many people are you afraid of anyway,how do you sleep at night with such fears? A combination of Ambien and Mad Dog 20/20 will put an end to them permanently…


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Suonds like you've had some experience with that combination. Or perhaps it's the 666 that's the key to your real identity. Seriously, what kind of human being takes the sign of the devil for his screen name? Maybe you do need that theripist, or at least a good Priest.


xcott
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

It is true that our federal government is a republic. So too is each of our state governments. They are more illustrative of the difference because some, like California, have leaned toward direct democracy with referendums and ballot initiatives, letting the people make fiscal policy decisions by majority rule. That has ended pretty badly for CA, because they had referendums on limiting taxation. Of course a majority of people will always vote to limit taxation, even if it means you can't pay cops or repave roads. That's part of the reason you need a republic.

Despite this, the underlying mechanism of a republic is democracy. We use democratic majorities to elect the people who run the republic. A republic looks like a democracy when viewed close up, with voting booths, town hall meetings and televised debates.

And when people try to disrupt the process, e.g. banging on windows and shouting down public meetings, it is correct to say that they are disrupting democracy, because they could not compete in a democracy. They did not succeed in the democratic process that elected our current representatives, senators and president. The public chose a government whose policies the teabaggers oppose.

But one of the fundamental rules of democracy (and anything built upon it, e.g. a democratic republic) is that you accept the outcome of a vote even if you don't like it. You cope with losing, rather than rioting to shut down the system that didn't give you what you wanted. If we did that we wouldn't have democracy, but just a veneer that is ripped away as soon as it becomes inconvenient.


montanagf
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

reading the talk about the war is coming and blood will flow…need I remind you that in a DEMOCRACY change is effected through casting votes and majotity rule and NOT by shooting bullets.
in a fascist state, the reverse is true. I want my country's future influenced by reasonable problem solving and not by some thug in a minority holding a gun at my head.


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Joe McCarthy lives again, and Hoover just pressed his best frock in honor of this day. The term “pinko' went out with your John Birch, black listing, hood wearing view of the world a long time ago. Stop trying to foster that crap on us and our kids, and for gods sake please stop poisoning your kids with it too. They already have enough problems with you around.


GoldenDoor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

a) You didn't say why it's not feasible. Every citizen wouldn't HAVE to vote on every little thing our government does; just the ones that WANT to. Plus, there's something called proxy voting which would make it much easier. In a nutshell, it would let people give other people the right to vote on their behalf.

b) What's better? The minority being tyrannized by the majority? Or the majority being tyrannized by the minority? Simple utilitarian logic says that the previous is preferable.

Plus, the initiative =/= voters voting on every little thing our government does. You obviously don't know how the initiative works. You likely have it right now in your state or city. Do you vote on every single thing your local government does? No, you don't. You only use it when it's NEEDED.

You vote on 4-5 ballot propositions per election cycle. That's it.

Stop propagandizing tired old talking points. It just makes you look stupid.


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Shoot, the way Cons grab onto ridiculous information and turn it into fact, they are as easy to Punk as Jessica Simpson…Most of them probably think Chicken of the Sea Tuna is from chickens in the sea as well!

But regardless, it is not nice to laugh at the mentally challenged!!


dyg
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

That's a throw blanket in the photos, not a carpet. Not that it matters all that much.


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

I think we have to excuse jay. He has more problems in that screwed up little mind than he can handle. He is trying to think BIG thoughts, and is probably wetting himself with the strain. Of course he is bored by our “arm chair psychology'. It makes him think, and obviously this is not easy for him. He has had his “truths” shoved up his butt from childbirth, and is now trying to give birth to their scatological fruit. His problem is that he can't understand why we don't love the smell.


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

The minority being tyrannized by the majority? Or the majority being tyrannized by the minority?

Neither, which is exactly why the founders wrote our Constitution the way they did.

Plus, the initiative =/= voters voting on every little thing our government does.

No, but that's what pure democracy is.

You obviously don't know how the initiative works. You likely have it right now in your state or city. Do you vote on every single thing your local government does? No, you don't. You only use it when it's NEEDED.

That's not a pure democracy, that's a democratic tool that exists within our parliamentary republic. And it's the reason California is so fucked up right now, by the way.

Stop propagandizing tired old talking points. It just makes you look stupid.

I'm not the one looking stupid here, pal. You also don't know the meaning of the word propaganda. Read a book.


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

jay666 what world are you from and what pipe are you smoking? Obama is forma mixed race family and was raised by his WHITE grandparents. His Presidential Cabinet is made up of Whites, Hispanics, Catholics, Orthodox Jews (His Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel) as well as both Republicans and Democrats! Opportunist? He graduated from elite schools just like W and his team and with that education instead of heading off to Wall Street with the Repubs, he took as low paying a job as he could take and headed back to give to his Community.

Stop displacing your ignorance and your own racism on the elected leader of this great Country!


jay666
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

Well, I guess you guys(?) told me. Gee whiz Wally.So according to the bible written by mantis,poopawalt and assorted friends, I've been labeled a racist and a psychopath all for the crime of paying attention to current events and having an opinion that is obviously contrary to theirs.
My how fair and inclusive liberalism is,makes me proud to be an American.
Well,time to get back to work. Tell Barry I said hi and give my love to Michelle. Air kiss!


mantis
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

I've been labeled a racist and a psychopath all for the crime of paying attention to current events and having an opinion that is obviously contrary to theirs.

Nope. You are plainly stating your desire for a civil war in which you get to spill the blood of blacks. It's quite obvious. That's not “an opinion” contrary to ours, it's a sociopathic fantasy from a lunatic.


FOIA Gras
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Funny, the birthers' forged document radar was much stronger in 2004 when they were so concerned about giving cover to GWB's unauthorized incomplete military service.


Blackened144
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

I must have missed it where you told all the gay people in California that “the majority disagre with you” when the people of the state voted to amend their constitution.


Blackened144
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

You need to keep dreaming. 51% of the country has no idea of the contents of the the Presidents character. The 49% that do know voted against him.


Blackened144
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Un-American, as in the White house asking its citizens to turn each other in based on the fact that they do not like the Presidents policies.


GoldenDoor
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

“The minority being tyrannized by the majority? Or the majority being tyrannized by the minority?”

We are being tyrannized by the minority. It's called oligarchy and it's a disease inflicting this country.

“No, but that's what pure democracy is.”

Pure democracy is another term for direct democracy. Initiatives, referendums, and recalls are forms of direct (or pure) democracy. What are you even talking about? They can co-exist with representative democracy. In fact, they do now to a small degree.

“That's not a pure democracy, that's a democratic tool that exists within our parliamentary republic.”

We don't have a parliamentary democracy.

“And it's the reason California is so fucked up right now, by the way.”

LOL No it's not. It'd be great if you could provide evidence for that instead of talking out of your ass. What even makes you think that's even remotely true? Initiatives are FIXING the budget problem by taxing marijuana. In the latter part of the last century, the initiative CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING in California. You're ignorant.

“I'm not the one looking stupid here, pal. You also don't know the meaning of the word propaganda. Read a book.”

Yeah you are. If you weren't before then you are now. And yeah, I do know the meaning of the word propaganda. I'm pretty smart and that's 5th grade vocabulary. Don't feel too proud about knowing what it means.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/opinion/28lei…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

Actually, knowing what lies are being told so that you can answer and debunk the nonsense is quite a logical and reasonable thing to do. They only want what the lies are so they can answer. They don’t want and they don’t care who sent them. Most of them are simply passed on from people who don’t have a clue about what is in the email. So, I think the republicans would do the same thing if there were emails with misinformation and lies being told about their plans. But the republicans have been very smart. Don’t have a plan and you can avoid criticism.


Blackened144
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

I must have missed your comment when you told all the gay people in California that “You and your kind are in the minority. Deal with it.”.


Lisa
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

The people who go around the world promoting Democracy are confused, too. There are a lot of people who need to watch the video — and study history


heavyhitter
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

Punked! This was better than the “whitey tape,” Ashley Todd and the backwards “B” and the non-existent “October surprise.” This, along with her meltdown on MSNBC exposes Orly as the fraud and buffoon she has always been. And yet, despite being played for fools time and again, the lemmings don't learn a thing. Like GW Bush said, “fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.” Well, you know what he meant.


RtPt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Thanks for the filmstrip from the 1950's. It was a blast from the past. It was simplistic nonsense.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

The overrideng problem is that Obama is yet another failure of the Afritocracy Political Model and must be stopped before he does more damage.


JR
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

The overriding problem here is that Obama is yet another failure of the Afritocracy Political Model and must be stopped before he does more damage.


deroy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

axelrod created obama and it started in 1992. as of 2001 axelrod put obama into full time training for and speech and acting.

the problem with obama's birth certificate which probably does exist is that it opens six more doors. if obama sr was married to stanley anne then he was a bigamist, if not obama is a illegitimate child. did obama go to occidental as a foreign student Indonesian Barry Soetoro?
where is the wedding certificate? columbia, IL state senate recods, law license application why license was not renews in 2002?

who sponsored obama into harvard as an affirmative action student. media does not release that every member of harvard law review in an editor. they have NO REPORTERS!

so the final results. DAVID AXELROD is the president if the united states. Rahm Emanuel runs the legislature. AXELROD tells Obama what to say and writes every word on the telepropmpter. AXELROD & EMANUEL send OBAMA out as their front man or puppet. obama is very disciplined to do precisely what he is told.

it's the ultimate reality show.

don't believe then watch the show.

obama can't go ad lib, when he does he ends up with 'police acted stupidly' and permanently loses 5% of his support from police/fire unions. they won't be back.


Taylor
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 1:38 am

Tammi-

Just a point of enlightenment; history tells us that the KKK was founded by the Southern Democratic Party to deny blacks equal and civil rights. History also tells us and illustrates that The Boston Tea Party consisted of all people, races, and ideology against a single oppressor; a tyrannical government. I hope this sounds familiar and relevant to our current climate in our country. Don’t be so quick to blame or accuse someone of racism without thorough review of the relevant facts of history albeit inconvenient!


Norm
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Nice try at casting doubt on the document, but no cigar. Take note of the offical markings and record information. I know, those that want to believe the “punchline” will not get it. Thankfully, there are more intellgent people in the world that will get it.


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

I happen to think that particular vote was a travesty of justice. The constittution itself was ignored, and this will be overturned. Discrimination by any group against any other group is not a matter to be voted upon.


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

How do you spell obtuse? R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N


Taylor
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 1:57 am

TomE,

Thanks for clarifying but I am sure that these pretenders to work in Defense should know that a Top Secret Clearance is only the second level in the security levels. There are several layers to security clearances and I would submit to anybody that by the President’s own admission to recreational drug use of marijuana and cocaine both in high school, college, and once he began working for a Chicago Law firm would hinder he from receiving the top level clearance. I am sure that my two brilliant friends Eric and gopfail already knew but failed to state it. As for Eric, it shows that you are really and truly an ignorant individual. Once again thanks for the clarification, TomE.


Taylor
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:11 am

luckbfern;

Your points are well taken and it has been a good exchange of ideas and ideology although I disagree with some statements you have made concerning passports and other items but that’s okay. Even though we look at things and see them differently do not make either of us bad or racist people. This is the most important part of this discussion for me and it allows me to respectfully disagree but respect your right to state your viewpoint. From this point, I will have to say that we should agree to disagree. Lastly, if you’re interested, I would invite you to take a look at the British Nationality Act of 1948 to understand what lawyers have already stated and how the law applies but of course it is up to you to read and decide for yourself. I enjoyed the conversation and wish you well, my friend!


poppawalt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Un-American is tapping citizens phones without a warrent. Un-American is starting a war and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people because some dictator “tried to kill my daddy”. Un-American is imprisoning people without trial outside the borders of the United States because it would be illegal to do it here. Un-American is spending billions of tax payers dollars on blood thirsty mercinaries,and then protecting them from prosecution after they murder Iraqi civilians. Un-American isdestroying the economy while enriching the top 1% of the country. Un-American is spending half of your Presidency cutting brush on the ranch while the country goes to hell. Un-American is pushing your polital and religeous views on the rest of the world with your own personal “crusade”. Un-American is using scare tactics and lies to manipulate the electorate. Un-American is disrupting civil discourse by yelling and screaming and preventing debate….And reporting these things to authority is the civic duty of all Americans,just as you would report a case of voter fraud, a wife beater, a threat of criminal violence, or an invasion of your own home.


Taylor
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:52 am

hreed:

Before you ever begin to attack me or my status as a veteran again please do so with facts and not innuendo’s. Point one, all candidates have to do by the FEC is to file a sworn affidavit stating that they are eligible and qualified to run for whatever office they are running for. Next point, HI has never made a certificate of birth available due to state law-read HI state statutes. And HI officials have only stated that they have seen his vital record on the computer and it says that he was born in Hawaii. Hreed, the problem with that is the state of Hawaii issues Certification of Live Birth’s (COLB) to foreign born babies and native born Hawaiians- refer to Hawaii state statutes. Case in Point- Obama’s half sister (Dr. Maya Soetoro-Ng) was born in Indonesia in 1970 and was issued a Certification of Live Birth (COLB). By the way, the COLB is just a birth announcement and you have to ask vital records for a certified copy with a raised seal of your long-form, otherwise known as your Certificate of Birth-this is referred to as your birth certificate.

A COLB cannot be used, even in HI to gain access to welfare or any other federal funding like welfare. Everyone is confused about the terms and frequently inject race into this which is not needed but people will be people. As a former US Army Recruiter and Officer I know the proper documentation needed to enlist into the military which is federal law and federal requirements and COLB’s are not accepted but passports, I-551 Cards, and Naturalization Certificates accompanied by the long-form birth certificate are accepted forms for enlistment. Of course, you can verify this information by going to the Army’s website and looking at the requirements in the Recruiting Regulation for Enlisted Personnel and the same standard for a social security card, the list goes on and on. Hreed, finally, I am not changing the rules for Obama or anybody else, as you recall, Obama said that he was going to be the “most transparent” administration in history. He can start by releasing all of his vital and school records as his predecessors have done! Once again, Hreed, read the constitution to understand what is “natural born citizen” because there is a difference. And by now there should not be any doubts in any reasonable person’s mind that he should release all documents that would fully verify his eligibility and qualifications based upon how a COLB issued in HI, his sister has the same document and was clearly born in Indonesia. Of course, people voted for him and those that did not vote for him still want to believe that he is eligible to hold the office as well as to succeed because he represents all Americans but when he goes around the world apologizing to our enemies and allies alike then people become very uncomfortable and begin to question his allegiance to our country. I don’t know how anyone can say that he is qualified without having the other information verified. Hreed, lastly, I would ask what if later in history it comes out that he was qualified or, better yet, ineligible to hold the office what would you say or what would you think? After all, history will be recorded either way, good or bad! Hreed, to me, it is simple to just pay $15 for the long-form to be released instead of paying upward of $1 million dollars of your campaign contributions to keep everything sealed; just a thought! Either way, no one’s mind will be changed but you and I can agree that it has been a spirited debate of ideas and ideology and that’s what makes America great!


catseye
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Michelle…..Hmmmmm………..Would that be Michelle _Bachmann_, by any chance?


akaka
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

If that's true, I am sure Orly Taitz won't have any problem producing the birth certificate, right?


Taylor
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 3:12 am

BB,

Who are you to question my ethnicity? I am not Mr. White Folks so don’t go down that road with me. Maybe you should read the previous post I was responding to that challenged the assertion that others who do not agree with another’s position does not mean that person is racist and that Obama is black… BB, you have serious identity problems and are pretending to be a victim when you say “It does not matter whether as a black man you are raised by white folks in the subburbs or go to ivyleague schools, you will always be treated like you are black.” This is a flat out lie, because if he was treated so differently as the black man you claim to speak for then how did he become President of the United States of America with all of these “racist” white people you purport to mistreat him. Use some logic and become better educated. By the way, I am angry at ignorant fools like you that keep crying “racism” and “victim hood” to the world when most children born in the 80′s to present say they never experienced or rarely experienced racism in their life. The Poll was done a few years ago by CNN; look it up.


Spike
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

Oh lord, please tell me Orly actually included this in her refiled Florida suits as well as in the one she filed in California the other day?


nbc1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

Yes and yes. Cook v Simtech. However the Judge threw out the filing as frivolous…

08/06/2009 10 ENDORSED ORDER denying 8 Motion for Recusal as frivolous and wholly without merit. Signed by Judge Richard A. Lazzara on 8/6/2009. (DMB) (Entered: 08/06/2009)

08/06/2009 11 ENDORSED ORDER denying as frivolous and wholly without merit 9 Plaintiff’s Motion to Alter Judgment and 9 Motion for Rehearing re: 6 Order on Motion for Reconsideration of 3 Order on Motion for Temporary Restraining Order. Signed by Judge Richard A. Lazzara on 8/6/2009. (DMB) (Entered: 08/06/2009)

Her documents 8 and 9 can be found here and here


nbc1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

How can it be an official record when it used an unofficial format? This does not seem to make sense. By all evidence, it is clear that it is a forgery.


dantx
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

LOL, you are punkin' us right? Obama is a much better writer, and has a much better command of facts and logic than what is displayed in your post. I love reading stuff like this. It's a good laugh. And, by the way, we will get health care. God bless America.


dantx
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

LOL!!!!!


nbc1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

the problem with obama's birth certificate which probably does exist is that it opens six more doors. if obama sr was married to stanley anne then he was a bigamist, if not obama is a illegitimate child. did obama go to occidental as a foreign student Indonesian Barry Soetoro?
where is the wedding certificate? columbia, IL state senate recods, law license application why license was not renews in 2002?

Bigamy is a crime of the father, not the son. Why would Obama go to occidental as a student of a nation of which he was never a citizen? You forgot the divorce documents. you cannot have a divorce without a marriage. His IL senate records are to be found in the IL State Senate archives, although his personal records were not retained. His law license was likely not renewed because it costs money to remain a lawyer. The records show that he has voluntarily placed his status to inactive. I doubt that he kept a copy of his application form and the form itself likely remains unavailable to the general public. Just as privacy rules would dictate.

Get used to the fact that he will be our President for the next 3.5 and if the birthers continue, likely 7.5 years


nbc1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

The United States is a Constitutional Democracy, just as many other democracies, it's laws are guided by majority. within of course the limitations of the Constitution. It's also a Republic as opposed to a Monarchy.


Gymo
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

I used to think Republicans were smart and it took Obama to come along and show me how I have wasted my vote on a bunch of idiots for years.
The Democrats are weak-kneed bunch of confusion, but the Republicans are just downright incompetent, and now they are trying to foment a revolution against the Government, someone please tell those idiots that if they succeed in destroying our Democracy that could leave Obama in power without elections.
Right-Wing Republicans have become a bunch of thugs, and the really idiot kind.


dantx
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Norm, you are in the fringe minority. You know that, right?


nbc1
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 12:18 am

Uh, I believe all she may have is the photograph…


The Man Known As X
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 1:21 am

You are a complete buffoon. No. You're just the dumbest person I've encountered in the last 5 years. That is the dumbest theory I've ever had the disgust to read. Seriously. What a friggin idiot. First thing you should do is look at Mr. Axelrod's history. In 2004, he was the head of John Edwards' primary campaign for President. Prior to that, he worked for the Canadian Liberal Party as a consultant. Bottom line? You're an idiot.


akaka
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 1:25 am

precisely!


akaka
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 1:26 am

to clarify, my original comment was directed at 'Norm'


Brewlord
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Yeah that initiative crap works so well in CA


willieu
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:33 am

hmmm, I have voted a democratic ticket for over 30 years and I now think the Left-Wing Democrats have become a bunch of thugs, and the really idiot kind.
funny how things look through different eyes.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 8:26 am

Thanks Yephora and Poppawalt! What’s up with Americans today brandishing willy-nilly terms like terrorist, communist, socialist, nazi, and pinko to try to bully others into silence?

It’s an appalling misuse of language. No logic. No civility.


cleogrrl
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 3:43 am

Hmmm… I have voted independent for many years, and it's clear that there are thugs on all sides of the political spectrum. Thuggery & brainless behavior are equal opportunity characteristics… vote for the person, not the party!
(Unless of course the party involves really good single malt scotch 21 years or older…)


DMX
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 4:17 am

Which official markings norm?

The markings of a republic of kenya that didn't exist yet? Or the markings of a town that had not yet been named? Or was it the Australian nomenclature on an apparently kenyan certificate?

Which of these official markings do you refer to? The reality is the birthers got “punked” and it was hilarious. There hasn't been a single argument made by Orly and her crazies that hasn't been debunked but the crazies keep at it because they just don't accept that yes, they have a centrist black man as a president instead of a crazy white hard-right moose hunter.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

Spoken/written as if by someone who hasn’t spent a single day in the service of his country. Let me set you straight, citizen. You might be able to achieve your masturbatory fantasies of picking off “coons” from your bedroom window with your Syraceuse arms .22 breech loader for a few minutes. Then, soldiers of every political stripe (I’m a ferocious LIB, proud of it, quite large, and covered in tattoos, and FIERCELY proud of my service with the 23rd INF REG under Reagan) throw HE grenades through the window of the bedroom next to yours, and methodically work through the house, the SAW gunner cutting everything in his path in half, until they reach your fat, stupid, civilian ass. And if you survive? Black bag over the head, just like in that picture currently glued to your bathroom floor with your own body fluids. Do us all a favor, chump, and aerate your racist head.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

… how can one emphatically state that Obama has a TOP SECRET clearance? Uh, how about the fact that he is PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, you freaking fascist moron.


Billy_Ray
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 11:30 am

Your comment brings to mind how easily Palin was punked by a Canadian radio station.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

OH, so I guess that means that Bill Clinton didn’t have a TOP SECRET clearance because he admitted to smoking pot. Or, maybe he did because he didn’t inhale. So, which was it? While that pea brain works to get an answer, how about Bush, an admitted alcoholic? Did he have a TOP SECRET security clearance? Or, did he just let Chaney handle the details of the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq? MORON!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

Like the “majority” that elected W. (oh wait, he wasn’t elected, he was appointed by the Republican-controlled Florida Supreme Court), the vote for and against Prop 8 was almost even. But you’re comparing apples to oranges. Yes, a majority can ride roughshod over minority rights, but the election of a president is a different situation. Though I detested W. and all that he stood for, I put up with him living in the White House for two terms. Now it’s your turn.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

I’m a patriotic, freedom-loving American, and a veteran (are you?) – and I whole-heartely support President Obama.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Funny how it was influenced by the millions of dollars poured into the campaign by out-of-state churches. Mormon bigots in Utah influencing California elections. What’s wrong with this picture?


heinricho
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

hilarious


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

Comparing the Civil War with the War On Turr ™ is laughable at best. It didn’t happen for either world war, and we got through them. If you give up the most fundimental of all civil rights for an endless, nebulous war-for-profit, you’re either a complete coward, or a corporate lackey.

Which one are you?


caridwade
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Taking a now famous quote from Bill Mahr, these are the same people who ask where the “Sun Goes at Night?” GReat job to whomever pulled this off.


ricmarc
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

i have seen that statement of yours or variations of it all over the web. it is kind of like a right wing talking point for when there are no right wing talking points.


ricmarc
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

more right wing talking points for when there are no right wing talking points. blame everybody and then go back to blaming obama.


Fred
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

Or 'socialism' 'facism' 'teleprompters'.


koyaan
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Check this out.

DefendUSx over at Repubx is now taking a page from TechDude's playbook and is fabricating “evidence” that the punk'd images are fakes.

He writes:

First, we have to find out what graphics program was used to do this. This is easy to do. You take the image above, save it to your hard drive and open the image in a text editor like “Notepad” or “MS-Word”, and you'll see the program's signature in what is referred to as the HEX code of the image. When doing this for the image below, low and behold, we get “Lead Technolgies Inc.”

“Lead Technologies Inc.” appears NOWHERE in the data of ANY of the four images.

This is pure fabrication on DefendUSx's part, and can be easily verified by anyone who wishes to check for themselves. Yuri Software's HEdit is a simple hex editor suitable for this.

k


Fimbulvintr
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 3:12 am

They can argue whether or not the pictures are falsified all they want. It doesn't change the fact that the supposed seal of the Kenyan government on their 'birth certificate looks like an old British two shilling coin. But maybe the Kenyans just loved British culture so much they decided to use it to embody the sovereignty of their government…


koyaan
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Well, yes, there's always THAT possibility. ;)

k


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opengee
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 8:27 am

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koyaan
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

I may owe DefendUSx an apology regarding saying he'd lied about “Lead Technologies Inc” appearing in the headers of the hoax images. The fact remains that it doesn't appear in the original images. However DefendUSx wasn't using the originals.

More here:

http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f…

k


DMX
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

It really doesnt matter if it does. Lead Technologies makes software for camera drivers. In other words the software you use to download images off a camera. They dont make image manipulation software, they make Software Development Kits (SDK) for camera and scanner manufacturers.

All it would appear to prove is the images come out of a camera.


AcaciaJules
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

Actually, it’s sedition. What a ‘proud’ american YOU are.


MarieDevine
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Please read all this, if only to ridicule me. Multiply it freely even using my name and information.
Regardless of where he was born, he is not eligible because of dual citizenships. The multiple birth certificates could coincide with other accusations too numerous to deal with here; hopefully the eligibility will be cleared without getting into intentions of his mother. Perhaps having a child of a nation gave rights and privilege to the parents. She and her husband met as students in a class on Russia. Frank Marshall Davis was at least friends of the family, at most, some say B. Obama's father or mentor in his book.
The stated goal of Communism is peace; but their ways produce deception, oppression and death. There is a better way to achieve peace and redistribute the wealth that will not anger or take from the people. It is in the word of God and is the only way to escape our destruction at our own hands with pollution and war or at the hands of a politician using psychopolitics. You will see why Barack Obama is pressing for the health reform bill.
Google Psychopolitics, Testimony of Kenneth Goff: Here we were trained in all phases of warfare, both psychological and physical, for the destruction of the Capitalistic society and Christian civilization. In one portion of our studies we went thoroughly into the matter of psychopolitics. This was the art of capturing the minds of a nation through brainwashing and fake mental health — the subjecting of whole nations of people to the rule of the Kremlin by capturing their minds. .. . (Drugs were to be used to affect mass population problems.) Also see: (link not allowed here) Google: “The Saviet Art of Brain Washing” for Kenneth Goff's testimony and Editorial Note:
An Address By Lavrent Pavlovich Beria
(A famous address)
Bill Maher dialogue: “Birthers Must Be Stopped.” Let the president stop them by releasing his school, health, passport and original Hawaii birth records.. Ridicule is a Communist tactic “when the sane are made to appear insane and the insane act as the world’s psychiatrists…” a quote from Mind-Washing in America by one of the leading American authorities on all aspects of the Communist conspiracy, former Senator Jack Tenney. He speaks of “the efforts of a small .. fraction of society to brainwash the overwhelming majority of its citizens…” Barack Obama is showing himself in his actions. Truth and justice win over lies and deception.
http://rightsoup.com/right-sightings-20/
Link: Video: Obama’s Communist Influences: Youtube

I sent an email to President Obama & US Attorney in DC, CD Phillips on 7-30-09. The president is a 15 year citizen of Indonesia and should not be making decisions for America.
Subject: Authority To investigate Barack Obama
& Quo Warranto in Donofrio
Same authority to investigate terrorists in America
114 Char. Twitter:
Sharing “Questions E-mailed to President Obama & US Attorney DC, CD Phillips 7-30-09” http://www.divine-way.com
(Quo Warranto-Wikipedia: Quo warranto today
In the United States today, quo warranto usually arises in a civil case as a plaintiff's claim (and thus a “cause of action” instead of a writ) that some governmental or corporate official was not validly elected to that office or is wrongfully exercising powers beyond (or ultra vires) those authorized by statute or by the corporation's charter.)
There is more than enough information, even at http://obama-birth-cert-forged-sss-impeach.blog…
and
http://www.divine-way.com/forgery_evidences_sss…

to get access to his full birth certificate, college and passport records.
While we still have freedom, be sure to see all sides of the argument before being used against those seeking only to see records that should not be hidden.
Marie Devine
http://www.divine-way.com


koyaan
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

I'm sorry, but one's US citizenship, whether natural born or otherwise, is NOT dictated by whether or not some OTHER country considers you to be a citizen.

Did you ever once stop to consider the utter absurdity of such a notion?

Let's suppose wacky Kim Jong-Il decides to enact a law in North Korea saying that all US citizens were now considered to also be citizens of North Korea.

With that one simple act, no one would be qualified to hold the office of President of the United States.

k


AcaciaJules
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

Face it, birthers and Bush HAVE made our nation a laughing stock to the rest of the world.

For the past 8 years, I’ve been ashamed to be an American.


MarieDevine
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

Koyaan, A person born in the United States to one US citizen and one Kenyan citizen does not give the US the right to strip Kenya of one of its citizens. The child is a dual citizen, meaning owing alliegance to two nations. Some nations do not allow dual citizenship. That has been the argument about Barack becoming Barry Soetoro an Indonesian citizen until after 18 years old. No one has come forward with evidence he ever became a naturalized citizen after being an Indonesian citizen or that he legally changed his name back to Barack Obama.

It is Barack Obama 15 years as a citizen of Indonesia that is a strong reason he cannot be eligible to be president. We cannot give our nation over to another nation by allowing another nation's citizen to come to this nation for an appropriote time and become president, just because one parent was supposedly a citizen of the USA. If we allow one foreign citizen to be president, it sets a precedent to allow another.

Espionage, spys and foreign agents are people who think long term, not just the next election. Hiding identity records is a CLEAR sign there is danger ahead. We cannot afford to be blind when all it takes is telling him we want to see his records.


billcarson
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

“Face it, birthers and Bush HAVE made our nation a laughing stock to the rest of the world. For the past 8 years, I’ve been ashamed to be an American”

What a shock! – another America hating leftist…


jeanniesz
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Dear Marie, you poor delluded woman. I feel sorry for you, I truly do. As a matter of US law, someone born to a US citizen is also a US citizen. What another country recognizes or does not recognize has no bearing on US citizenship. As a US citizen the United States government does not recognize dual citizenship. Until you renounce your citizenship, you are always a US citizen.


koyaan
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

It doesn't strip the right of Kenya to consider whomever it wants to be one of their citizens. It simply doesn't CARE whether Kenya considers someone to be one of their citizens. The only thing that matters is who the United States considers to be its citizens. It CAN'T care who some other country considers to be its citizens because to do so would ultimately place the power to determine who may or may not hold the office of President in the hands of a FOREIGN COUNTRY.

Why do you wish to abdicate US sovereignty and give foreign countries such power as that? Are you also one of those who advocates that US courts should consider the jurisprudence of foreign countries when adjudicating cases under US laws? If you're going to advocate that the laws of foreign countries is to dictate who the US considers its citizens, then there's no reason why you should not also advocate US court decisions being based on the jurisprudence of foreign countries.

Are you one of those one world government types who doesn't believe in US sovereignty?

Let's look at another situation, one which isn't quite as extreme as the North Korean example I gave previously.

While most countries who recognize citizenship by descent only recognize it back to the father, some countries recognize it back to the GRANDFATHER.

Ireland is one such example.

By your argument, your parents could both have been born here and been full US citizens at the time of your birth. But because your GRANDFATHER was an Irish citizen, Ireland would consider you an Irish citizen, and therefore you would not qualify as a natural born citizen and able to hold the office of President of the United States.

However someone else, born under the exact same circumstances, but whose grandfather was English, would qualify.

I'm sorry, but it is truly sad that you care so little of US sovereignty and that you cannot see how absolutely absurd it is to give foreign countries the power to dictate who may or may not hold the office of President.

k


koyaan
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Apparently dear Marie doesn't care for US sovereignty and believes that other countries should ultimately have the power over who the US considers its citizens.

k


stevensmith
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

US law is clear that only a natural born citizen can be president. A natural born citizen is a citizen born to TWO US citizens. It doesn't matter if Kim makes us all North Korean citizens, the set of natural born US ciitizens would no change one iota since adding citizenship by this process would be looked on first as having no weight on the US citizens loyalty.

Obama's dad was a loyal British citizen when Obama was born. He may have renounced it when Kenya became independent (I think he did) but that did not affect Obama at all. He is still considered to be a British citizen.


stevensmith
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

Also Obama's mom was not seen anywhere in Hawaii by her friends for months before and for years after Obama's birth. Ann Dunham was young, socially active, and had friends in Hawaii. Why haven't ANY OF THEM come forward to state that they recall her giving birth there or even being in the third trimester there in Hawaii. No nurse, doctor, or other mother in the labor and delivery room at the time of his supposed birth recalls seening Obama, a black baby was very unusual in Hawaii and would have been remembered. Obamas step grand mom said he was born in Kenya. And finally Obamas COLB was issued to people not born in Hawaii for decades until 1971. The document would state that the individual was “born” in Hawaii and Sun yat Sen, China's first president who was born in a village in China has an Hawaiin birth certificate stating he was born in Hawaii.

Face it. Obama is a fraud. He has lied about his eligibility and should be going to jail shortly once he is removed from office. Our armed forces are now suing on the grounds that the commander in chief is ineligible to hold that office.


koyaan
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

I'm not aware of any US law which states that a natural born citizen is a citizen born of two US citizens. Would you care to point to the law which states such?

k


stevensmith
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

Let me clarify some things. US law is clear that only a natural born citizen can be president. A natural born citizen is a citizen born to TWO US citizens. It doesn't matter if Kim makes us all North Korean citizens, the set of natural born US ciitizens would not change one iota since adding citizenship by this process would be looked on first as having no weight on the US citizens loyalty because we would instantly renounce all foreign citizenship once we intended to seek the presidency. Using Kim is completely specious. What if Kim announced that we all all North Korean army members and entitled to conduct actions against the US? Would tthat allow us to do so and claim the benefits of the Geneva convention.

Obama's dad was a loyal British citizen when Obama was born. He may have renounced it when Kenya became independent (I think he did) but that did not affect Obama at all. Obama is still LEGALLY a British citizen and has not renounced this before seeking our presidency.

The news blackout by the mainstream media about this is REPREHENSIBLE. Our journalists were aware of this who were covering Obama but did not discuss this on TV. Only after going on the Internet have I become informed that Obama is not eligilble to be president. Plus I have beens shocked that this supposed socialist refused to nationalize EVEN ONE BANK. He is a puppet of the bankers, Volker picked him out years ago and Soros has financed him as wel as other international Rothshiled banks (Volkers last job was heading the NY Rotshchild bank.


stevensmith
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

The recent Mcain amendment that Obama sponsored which was voted on by the Senate and approved so that Mcain could run clearly stated that Macain was a natural born citizen because he was born to TWO CITIZEN PARENTS and because the Navy base in Panama was considered to be US 'soil'. Obama has such gaul knowing that he himself was not born of two citizen parents. He is relying on being born in Hawaii which would make him native born and a US citizen because of his mom but he is definitely not natural born. That he knows the law and has flouted it is a criminal act. If it can be shown that he was born in Kenya or Canada and not the US there will be slam dunk case to remove him.

I believe Bill and Hillary were aware of all this last year and decided to let this farce go on, knowing that a weakened or impeached Obama will make them smell all the better.


FOIA Gras
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

I'll have to check the law but the last I was aware a child who is born on U.S. soil to a woman in the country illegally is given citizenship.

I have to tip my hat to you and the rest of the Birthers, though. You're doing a great job of diverting people's time from real issues like health care reform, ENDA, DADT, sustainable energy policy, economic justice, et al.


ron
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

I remember the reason that in the superman comics superman did not become the president of the USA although the people wanted him to was that he was not BORN in the USA.
Lets see if the opposition party has the balls to try to impeach him or declare the election result null and void. should take the peoples mind off credit crisis,and war in Iraq… which is what politics is all about!


koyaan
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

There was no amendment. It was nothing more than a simple resolution which had absolutely no effect of law. None. Nada.

And the only reason the citizenship of his parents was even invoked was because McCain was born OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES.

The citizenship of one's parents has ALWAYS been a factor with regard to one's citizenship for those born outside the United States.

Try again.

Please point me to the LAW which says that both parents must be citizens for one to be a natural born citizen.

k


Walabio
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

I could point out that being born in Hawaii makes President Obama a US-Citizen, but it is pointless to argue with the mentally ill. You need to get treatment for your schizophrenia.


TrigIsTheSmartestPalin
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

“A natural born citizen is a citizen born to TWO US citizens. “

This is why I love laughing at tards like this. Beyond stupid.


Andrew
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

Dan Rather could not have done it better.


damajah
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 1:55 am

Are you out of your Vulcan mind? The Panama Canal Zone was NEVER US soil…it was leased. McLame was a citizen due to the status of his parents, but NO declaration by Congress, can change the Constitution, EXCEPT by amendment. This made the declaration that McSame is a natural-born citizen, as useless as the paper it was written on.That BS would never have survived a Supreme Court ruling, and the Republicans and Obama, who TAUGHT constitutional law, knew it.


damajah
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:01 am

stevensmith: Let it go man, let it go. A natural-born citizen is a child born in any state, territory, oe embassy of the United states. This also includes being born on any airplane or ship, that is a US flag carrier. It doesn't matter if your parents are from Jupiter…if your born on US “soil” you are a natural born US citizen.


damajah
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:05 am

I'd like to just ridicule you instead of reading your mindless drivel. I'm starting to believe that either the “birthers” are seriously mentally ill, or they are just attention whores.


koyaan
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:10 am

Ultimately McCain was made a citizen by way of legislation passed six months after his birth, in what's known as “collective naturalization.”

There have only ever been two means by which one may be a citizen of the United States. By birth (which makes one a natural born citizen) or by naturalization. McCain's citizenship having come about by way of collective naturalization, he is not, by definition, a “natural born citizen.”

k


tinfoil hat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Well, there ARE those who still believe that we didn't LEGALLY admit Hawaii…which would make it probably a Territory, instead of a State. That might help those who insist that he's NOT a US Citizen.


edgedinblue
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:01 am

Ah, I think your logic may have undone you deroy. (I can't believe I used the word 'logic'). IF Obama's parents were not married, or were married and the father had a previous marriage making the second marriage null and voice, then Barack is automatically a citizen of the US because of his mother's status as a citizen. There would be no 'living in the US for 5 years after age 14' rule applicable in this case, no question of British or Kenyan citizenship, and no way for Barack to magically become an Indonesian.

Love circumlocution.


Jim
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

It's always amazing how people complaining about this know so little about the law. Actually, it's a shame…they keep trying to make us into a communist state. Guess they don't like their freedoms. But, let me try…

Obama has proved he is a US citizen…no amount of twisting facts and misquoting laws can change that.

Obama is our president…there is only one way the constitution allows removal, by impeachment. So, all that you're doing is wasting court time, the courts can't remove the President or overturn an election.

Birthers are communists trying to overthrow our country…why else do they keep bringing up communist ideals as reason to remove Obama? They follow a communist (Orly Taitz), they try to use Communist ideals (both parents must be citizens) and follow communist teachings (laws don't matter, what I say matters). So, we have in our midst a communist plot to overthrow our duly elected leader, remember that every time they bring up their communist ideals and try to usurp our leadership. I'm a proud american and I won't let you commies have your way!!!


cgoodwin
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

dude lay off the red juice. Obama is the president. get over it old white man. you have 3 more years, an probably an additional 4, so put the kool aid down, and as the banks go–the man is not stupid, your the socialist,, banks run the world moron. banks move economies, try reading your banking history again,,,,


cgoodwin
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

Another bitter old euroamerican, now blacks are no longer citizens huh?? you are absolutely foolish and lost. We were here with the indians before some europeans and before anyone name devine. he's president until he fucks up. then you can tar and feather him, but unitl then keep up with your well rehearsed socialist/commie/limbaugh-feel good tradition of sore losers. 21st century –the world is changing and you better start to recognize it… your so called golden era is gone….And even that era was marred with jim crow and intimidation


damajah
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

This is BS, and you know it.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

People born in territories are US citizen too, so even if you believed that it STILL wouldn't make a difference.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

yeah, its not the birthers fault for using faulty logic and outright stupidity its everyone elses fault for making fun of them for using faulty logic and outright stupidity.


koyaan
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Not BS at all. Read Gabriel Chin's paper published in the Michigan Law Review.

k


librul
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

It is also true that if you are born inside the U.S., even if your parents are not citizens…even if they are here ILLEGALLY, you are still a citizen of the united states. Obama's mother was a citizen, therefore he was as well, regardless of where he was born. However, since he was also born inside the U.S., he is also a citizen. The only other way to become a citizen is to be naturalized. Therefore, and citizen who is not a citizen by way of naturalization is by definition “natural born.”


librul
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

More accurately, a democratic republic.


librul
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

How can it be official when the Republic of Kenya didn't even exist at the time?…oh yeah…has something to do with the firmament falling and the speed of light changing…right? (this is how the creationists try to reconcile the apparent size of the universe with the speed of light).


MarieDevine
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 12:36 am

You have fallen into the trap because you refuse to read opposing views and you just ridicule. If you want the system, that is your choice; but if you wouldn't want the system, I suggest you read this: NOT ABOUT BIRTHER MOVEMENT:

PSYCHOPOLITICS – the art and
science of asserting and maintain-
ing dominion over the thoughts and
loyalties of individuals, officers,
bureaus, and masses, and the ef-
fecting of the conquest of enemy
nations through “mental healing.”

Twitter:
Sending: Psychopolitics-Communist Address of Health Care and Control. “Soviet Art of Brain Washing” http://www.divine-way.com

http://divine-way.com/psychopolitics_communist_…

See what the Communist teacher said was the great danger that could stop the Communist plan to rule through the health care plan and how it must be overcome. Mr. Beria was addressing American students at Lenin University before the course on PSYCHO-POLITICS.

http://rightsoup.com/right-sightings-20/
Link: Video: Obama’s Communist Influences: Youtube

I received connection to Obama' Communist ties. He got Major Cook fired for questioning in court his eligibility to be Commander in Chief. That was Major Cook's duty. This is not freedom and transparency.


damajah
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 2:37 am

You're an idiot…stark-raving crazy.  Cook lost his security clearance…that's why he got fired.  This is easy to research.  He got his oders recinded because he was getting a divorce, and needed to make child-care arrangements for his daughter.  When he created this BS about Obama, his commander decised he didn't want such a flake in his command.  You need to “Google” him for the rest of the story.


damajah
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 11:13 am

stevensmith: I'm going to change the subject for a second, since you are obsessed with false rumors and innuendo concerning the status of Obama's birthplace.

Obama Has Cut Taxes for 98.6 Percent of Working* Households**
by Nate Silver @ 9:00 AM

One thing I don’t quite get has been the White House’s reluctance to highlight the non-infrastructure parts of the stimulus package. Oh sure, people wanted more investment in roads and trains and energy grids and all that good stuff – I did too, and thought the stimulus package spent an inadequate amount of money on them. But you’re left with the impression that the rest of the stimulus was just thrown down a well somewhere. In fact, it was not. The extension in unemployment benefits that the government provided under the stimulus, for instance, is turning out to be highly useful to a lot of people. I don’t necessarily expect the people receiving extended unemployment insurance to turn around and write Obama a thank-you note – but the White House might want to at least occasionally make the point it’s their initiative that is helping them to keep putting food on the table.

Likewise with the tax reductions in the stimulus – which collectively made up $288 billion, or about 37 percent of the package. Most of those tax cuts are targeted at individuals. And while the they aren’t terribly deep, they are impressively broad.

The broadest tax cut in the stimulus package is the “Making Work Pay” tax credit, worth about $116.2 billion (see the Urban Brookings Tax Policy Center for this and other figures) and applicable to the vast majority of working Americans. Indeed, all single filers making less than $95,000 and all joint filers making less than $190,000 are eligible for this tax cut. Most of them, in fact, are already receiving it in the form of lower withholding on their paychecks.


damajah
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 11:15 am

Attention whore.


mithradates
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

a Gaul is a pre-Frankish inhabitant of the territory north of the Pyrenees and west of the Rhine, you asinine twerp.


MarieDevine
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Thanks to the many people who have written me; I really appreciate the opportunity to respond to your real concerns. A racist is a person that overlooks apparent evidence and secrecy because the person is the same color. This president got elected with the help of white voters. We have enjoyed black singers and sports people for many decades and black politicians are not new to us. Colin Powell was very well respected.

The president could easily end this controversy; if he cannot figure out all he has to do is allow access to school records, passport and full birth information, then how will he figure out how to deal with other world problems and leaders? Hiding his school records and hiding from court cases just makes everything he does look suspect. All fears look more plausable.

There is a better way for health care than a system that takes a lot of time and money for administration costs on all levels. We can provide all the care people need without that control. We must not ignore dangers people are pointing out.

Twitter:
Sending: Psychopolitics-Communist Address of Health Care and Control. “Soviet Art of Brain Washing” http://www.divine-way.com

http://www.divine-way.com/psychopolitics_commun…

See what the Communist teacher said was the great danger that could stop the Communist plan to rule through the health care plan and how it must be overcome. Mr. Beria was addressing American students at Lenin University before the course on PSYCHO-POLITICS.

http://rightsoup.com/right-sightings-20/

Link: Video: Obama’s Communist Influences: Youtube

Barack Obama got Major Cook fired for questioning in court his eligibility to be Commander in Chief. That was Major Cook's duty. This is not freedom and transparency

Whatever we think of Barack Obama, whatever race we are, we must call for truth to be revealed in his records to either shame the Birthers and give him honor so he can get more credibility in his proposals or to get him out of office so a deceiving administration does not take full control over us.


Yvette
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

this is as bad as the “Bigfoot in the freezer” prank!


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Anonymous
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:58 am

ACORNS falling on your head because someone usurped your umbrella? Blame the black President!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 11:02 am

Constitutional democracy. Majority rule with express, limited protection of minority rights.

“government of the people, by the people, for the people” — gee, that sounds democratic, eh librul? Oh wait, I guess the part Lincoln didn’t have time to say was that part opengee referred to as “the Mob rules!”

I like how birthers think. You can refute 230 years of government by demonstrating that a word isn’t in the Pledge. Yikes.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 11:04 am

Telling us you voted Democratic for 30 years is way over the top.

You should have just used a less obvious lie.

Do they give you these lies at Free Republic?

“Tell ‘em you’re black. Tell ‘em you’re married to a black chick. Tell ‘em you’ve been a lifelong democrat until Obummer came along and showed you how socialist a progressive tax rate really is. They’ll buy it. They like blacks and other dumocrats.”

Spare us the bargain-basement lies, huh? Lots of other birthers put actual thought into their lies. You need to work harder to keep up.


librul
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

I stand (or, currently, sit) corrected.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:31 am

It's difficult to take anything you write seriously when you include nonsense like “Barack Obama got Major Cook fired…”

So it's not really worth my time to explain to you how silly it is for you to waste our time with the “this would all go away if he'd just show us his kindergarten records” line. The birthers were the ones born yesterday, not us. We're liberals. We read. We remember. We click links. It's really not what you're used to dealing with.

But you do get 3 points for including the words “Communist,” “control,” and “Colin Powell.” The old “some of my best friends are you people” line always gets a laugh.

So I giave you three points for those. Your total score is 3.

You must score at least a 10 to be able to ride this ride. Really a shame.

Sorry. Try again at Free Republic.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:35 am

“I'm a proud american and I won't let you commies have your way!!!”

If you sold t-shirts that said that on the front, I'd buy one. Birthers are un-American racist sore losers who cannot deal with the fact that the rest of us aren't racist.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:43 am

“Obama has such gaul knowing that he himself was not born of two citizen parents”

Obama is not a province conquered by Caesar. Nor is he an unoccupied deluxe hotel accommodation (“Obama is a empty suite” — if I've seen that once, I've seen it 20 times).

Nor is he a “usurper.” A usurper takes office without color of title (say, for example, by raping and killing his way to the throne). A de facto office holder is goes through legitimate processes and appears to be legitimate, but is actually not qualified.

But at least usurper is an actual word. I cannot believe birthers have the gall to post here.

But then we get to to the substantive problem. Two citizen parents? Aw, come on. That's so three weeks ago. That's why the whole game is about him being born in Kenya. If you admit he was born in Hawai'i, it does not matter if his parents were both KGB spies. Try on the Fourteenth Amendment; you might like it.

Or just think of one of my favorite jokes.

Miguel Sanchez and his pregnant wife Miranda scale the border fence and Miranda gives birth to a baby boy just on the U.S. side of the border. What will they name the baby?

“Democrat.” You see, that baby is a U.S. citizen, as natural born as any of us. And as eligible to run for President as any of us.

My guess, Mr. Smith, is that the kid has a leg up on you when it comes to education, as well.

See, I hate to pick on your education, but you insult ALL of our intelligence with the two citizen parents thing. Dreams From My Father was our first clue that his dad is AFRICAN and thus not a citizen. Do you think somehow Hillary Clinton and John McCain just OVERLOOKED that little detail?

Oy vey. Stephen A. Smith, the ESPN commentator, actually did a pretty good job on The Ed Show last week. You should be ashamed. Even that guy knows more about politics than you.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:47 am

“Please read all this, if only to ridicule me.”

Sorry. I couldn't even make it halfway through this nonsense, and I've read almost every word written by Randwulf and Tuci78.

Do I get some sort of consolation prize? Can I still ridicule you?

Please hurry, I have some time-sensitive material I need to use before it passes its freshness date.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:50 am

“You have fallen into the trap because you refuse to read opposing views and you just ridicule”

You're not paying attention. I read the opposing views. Then I use those views to ridicule the opposition.

If I “just” ridiculed, it wouldn't work.

“You know how to take the reservation. You just don't know how to hold the reservation. And that's really the most important part of the reservation. The holding.” — Jerry Seinfeld

Cut down on the downers, or increase the uppers. Whatever it is, your regular dosage is not working for you.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:54 am

Where? I don't see any whores. But it's good to know that someone is keeping us updated.

Oh, wait. I get it. You mean that chick with the sandwich board telling people who are about to get on the subway that Jesus is warping their minds through their iPod earbuds and Obama is likely to steal the silverware off of Air Force One after he gets done stealing country music and mayonnaise from white people is an attention seeking…whore?

I have more respect for whores than to lump them in with her. Whores provide public services. Whores knew Jesus. This broad is accusing Jesus of spiking Twinkies with after-shave balm or something. Hard to tell what any of that drivel means.

I'll stop before I am accused of being an attention Obot.


damajah
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Funneeeeee!


larryonocean
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Doesn't anyone think throwing gasoline on a fire can be dangerous?!


sharona0415
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

I believe Obama was born in the United States…To me, there are far more important issues at hand.He is our sitting President and, citizen or not, racist or not, socialist or not, etc., he is singlehandedly trying to sabotage our country and all that it was built on and all that it stands for. All else is irrelevant.


MarieDevine
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

Some say he proved is WAS a US citizen; but there is no evidence he denounced his Indonesian citizenship. He is hiding his college records etc. WHY? do they contain his Indonesian citizenship. He is hiding his passport that he used to go to Pakistan or Russia.

People who hide things do not want them to be known. How did he get where he is? Who has put him where he is? Then you can see how this great speaker could accomplish getting to the White House where PSYCHO POLITICS can do its work.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-bloggers/2121712/…

Google: Soviet Art of Brain Washing and read Goff's testimony and the Beria Address that is at the top of Contents. Then determine who wants to use Communist ideas in this nation and determine if you are being used, or you are part of trying to bring the plan.

http://rightsoup.com/right-sightings-20/Link
: Video: Obama’s Communist Influences: Youtube

See Divine-Way.com for Beria's address with my comments. The good news is always, Repent and have your sins forgiven.


koyaan
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Grab a clue, will you please?

There was no way under Indonesian law that he could have obtained Indonesian citizenship in the first place.

Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship and there is no means by which a six year old child may renounce their US citizenship.

k


amy334
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

Riiiighhht! Pregnant 18 yr old traipsing around, or Kenya, or outer space, anyplace but the USA.

Do you guys all smoke weed or what? Are you off your meds? Seriously what in God's name is wrong with you?


amy334
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

I agree, McCain has absolutely no right to run as natural born, by contrast Obama just like all folks born in the USA are eligible. Like it or not. I am not a fan of it, but then I am part Cherokee, and I an a descendant of those who were here LONG before your “natural born” clause in the Constitution which was just trying to legitimize the illegitmate taking of a land that did not belong to white men who decided they should rule and reshape it.

It's never been perfect, but that is the way it is. Some people have bigger issues than the law, they have sanity issues, anger management issues, delusional and irrational fears run amok. Sad really, but we are a tolerant people so they talk, or should I say shout, threaten and self destruct.

Just remember the likes of George Wallace, those folks got far didn't they? ………NOT. That's the point, this too shall pass.


MarieDevine
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

That means you are white, right? Blacks who do not investigate a leader who hides his documents and who blindly follow him because he is black are racists.

You cannot pin a racist tag to me. I have gone to a predominately black church for more than three years. I am living in the house of a black family for over two years now. I am a fact oriented person. I know that people who insist on hiding simple documents are hiding something and that they deal with lies and deception. That is all it takes for me to look at both sides and see what makes more sence, spending about a million dollars in court fees and the problems of lawyers and courts or releasing simple documents to settle the hearts and minds of the people. He alone has power to stop the birther movement, but he refuses to do so. My fact oriented mind says he is a deceiver and that makes him danger. All his policies are suspect because of that ALONE.
That is all I need to investigate places that do not agree with his testimony.

Ridicule is a Communist tactic “when the sane are made to appear insane and the insane act as the world’s psychiatrists…” a quote from Mind-Washing in America by one of the leading American authorities on all aspects of the Communist conspiracy, former Senator Jack Tenney. He speaks of “the efforts of a small .. fraction of society to brainwash the overwhelming majority of its citizens…”


damajah
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

Good point Matt…Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands, and American Samoa are all Us territories, and anyone born on this islands are NATURAL born AMERICAN citizens, more so than John McSame. I'm not going to argue the legal merits of McSame's claims to be a natural born US citizen…that's for constitutional lawyers and scholars to do. what I do know, is that Congress can't “make” John McGeezer a citizen anymore than it can make Superman a citizen, without an amendment to the constitution, and the Republicans can spin that BS in any direction they want.


damajah
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

stevensmith: You've left the reservation. Didn't the queen of the village idiots, Sarah Palin, ask you guys to stop making stuff up?


damajah
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

Gee…all that money we waste on lawyers and PhD's when we have you withingour midst, when you knw soooooo much more than the whole Republican Party. Why didn't they put YOU in charge? They coundn't have done any worse…of haven't they reached the bottom of the dumbazz pile yet?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

At the risk of hurting your “fact-oriented mind,” MarieDisingenuous, I'm going to throw some facts at you and see if you dodge as well as you lie.

I'm going to leave aside the nonsense about your “predominately” black church and your couch-surfing at a black family's house. Yeah. And George W. Bush is now selling FEMA trailers door-to-door.

“I know that people who insist on hiding simple documents are hiding something and that they deal with lies and deception. That is all it takes for me to look at both sides and see what makes more sence, spending about a million dollars in court fees and the problems of lawyers and courts or releasing simple documents to settle the hearts and minds of the people. He alone has power to stop the birther movement, but he refuses to do so.”

President Obama isn't hiding any documents, simple or otherwise. He posted his birth certificate online 14 months ago. No President or candidate for President in our country's entire history has done that. So you're full of shit.

I can stand the smell long enough to point out another reason why you make no “sence.”

You recycle garbage about “spending about a million dollars in court fees…” That's rich. Do you even know what “court fees” means? Court costs are filing fees and copying charged for legal pleadings. Attorneys' fees are what you pay an attorney.

Obama has not spent much on either one. You get your court costs paid to you as a matter of right when you prevail in a case. He is 40 and oh right now. So no court costs. He gets his attorneys' fees paid by the other side as punishment for the birthers' filing frivolous lawsuits. nbc1 and I used to post links to the court cases showing this; one example showed Obama getting $1,065 returned to him. That means he spent $1,065 to get one suit tossed. Hard to see where you got that $1,000,000 figure. But I bet know. I know how to use my computer for something besides making shit up, MarieDisingenuous.

Here's where that bullshit about a million in fees comes from: A Politico.com article in March 2009 explains the whole thing perfectly:

“The White House is, presently, ignoring the birth certificate questions, having released an official copy of the Hawaii certificate during the presidential campaign. The press aide once tasked with quashing viral rumors, Ben LaBolt, no longer follows the fringe. But lawyers for the Democratic National Committee and for Obama have been steadily batting down a stream of lawsuits, winning motions to dismiss the suits in courts from Pennsylvania to Hawaii, from the state level to the United States Supreme Court.

To believers, the legal engagement itself is evidence that something's afoot.

'[Obama] is spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars to keep this information from getting out,' said Gary Kreep, the lawyer representing former presidential candidate Alan Keyes, who sued Obama in California to prevent the state from certifying its election results.

Keyes recently called the citizenship issue 'the greatest crisis this nation has ever seen' and warned of 'chaos, confusion and civil war.'

Kreep has been battling Obama's California lawyer, Fredric Woocher, to release the president's records from Occidental College on the theory that they might provide information about his citizenship.

Woocher has threatened to seek sanctions against Kreep for pursuing the case.

'This suit, like all of the others that have been filed challenging Obama's qualifications for the Presidency, is frivolous,' he said in an email to POLITICO, adding that he is, in fact, working pro bono. 'There is absolutely no truth to the stories about the untold millions supposedly being paid to us,' he said.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19450…

Got all that, MarieDisingenuous? The appropriately-named Gary Kreep pulled it out of his ass. “There is absolutely no truth to the stories,” according to Obama's attorney, who is working PRO BONO. That means for free, genius.

So we know now that you are either deliberately lying about something that you could have learned the truth about with a simple Google search, or you are too stupid to read things for yourself. Either way, you're on shaky ground when you tell me I “cannot pin a racist tag to” you.

I can certainly pin a liar tag to you, genius.

You say Obama alone has power to stop the birther movement. Nonsense. Birthers are upset about Obama being black. He cannot change that. Moreover, why would he want to stop the free advertising you dolts are giving the Democratic party?

You birthers are beginning to bore me. If all you can do is recycle nonsense that has been refuted with direct factual and legal citations months ago, then I see no reason not to ridicule you.

Ridicule is not a “Communist tactic,” you simple-minded buffoon. Ridicule has been around since before Plato was a gleam in his father's eye.

Blacks who do not believe in conspiracy theories and who do not support idiotic white racists in their pursuit of the same are not racist. They are named stephenperry. Try to get that shit straight, genius. Get off your black hosts' couch and crack open a book from their library.

But first stop lying about mooching off of black families. Tell the truth about mooching off of a black President. I am sure you're on unemployment. You cannot possibly be paid to use your brain, and judging by your avatar you are not getting by on your looks.

Bugger off.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Hey, not so fast. Smoking weed does not make you racist, idiotic, or a conspiracy theorist. It makes you forgetful and fun to be around.

“Show me a stoner who spends all of his time in bed watching television, only occasionally getting out of bed to take a piss, and I'll show you a person who's not causing any trouble.” — George Carlin


stephenperry
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

“when you knw soooooo much more than the whole Republican Party.”

I don't have a monopoly on “knwing” more than the Republican Party. I'm pretty sure Levi Johnston knows more than the whole Republican Party. Have you been listening to Michael “I don't do policy, I'm here to set a tone” Steele?

Your jealousy is amusing. Choke on it.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

Wow, stirring comeback. I like the part where you like, cite facts and law and stuff to back up your zinger.

What, was “fraid not!” already taken?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 2:15 am

I didn’t intend that as a correction, librul. I don’t quibble with what you wrote. We were both just correcting the person whose political science education began and ended with the Pledge of Allegiance.

My point was more that the USA is absolutely a democracy, just not a pure one. We use our democratic system to elect leaders who in turn make decisions that are only subject to public review through the voting booth.

All the dickering is over the sauce that goes on the dish. The dish is democracy. Whether you emphasize its republican or constitutional flavor is a matter of taste.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 2:19 am

Good post.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 2:29 am

“We are being tyrannized by the minority. It’s called oligarchy and it’s a disease inflicting this country. Our Constitution is shit.”

I was trying to figure out if the minorities, er, minority that is tyrannizing the “we” includes minorities like me. Or if I’m part of the minority being tyrannized.

I was so puzzled by that issue that I skipped over the oligarchy disease you apparently contracted by being too loose with your private slurs.

But then I got to the part where you say the Constitution is “shit.” I lost my train of thought and immediately began looking forward to the Konstitution you and your fellow American Grand Jurors have undoubtedly come up with by now.

Mind posting that here, so we can see your many improvements upon the “shit” we have been burdened with, lo these past 230-odd years?

Thanks.

When you do that, we can get round to discussing how California went bankrupt because of decreased tax revenues, beginning in 1978 with Prop 13, which froze assessments for property that increased astronomically in value.

We can move on to discussing how the minority Republicans in the Democratic-majority CA legislature always vote against tax increases, no matter how necessary, and the public always supports initiatives that are unfunded, which simply further drains the overdrawn checkbook.

But first I want to see your Konstitution. You should be glad I’m not asking for your birth certificate, after what you’ve written.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 2:45 am

I like how you snuck that “racist opportunist” part in there.

Racist? Uh, are you saying he hates his mom and his grandparents, or he hates his dad and his wife? Or maybe you mean he hates Latinos and that’s why he shoved Sonia Sotomayor into the judicial obscurity of the Supreme Court of the United States? I’m sure you have loads of information about how much he hates Pacific Islanders, if only I’d subscribe to your newsletter.

Opportunist? Hmmm… You’ve got him there. Unlike every other President or candidate for President, Obama is a shameless opportunist. The other people only campaigned for a year and a half because he was campaigning. Otherwise they would have just let fate decide their life. There are no other ambitious people in politics.

Glad you weren’t the only one who noticed that door-opener named Obama. Someone else I know was saying something about how if God left her an open door, she just prayed she didn’t miss the opportunity to barge through it and shoot a moose out of season. Can’t remember who it was that said that. My mind quit on me halfway through…. oh wait it’s coming to me…Sarah Palin!

Yes, THERE is an opportunist. I stand corrected. Obama’s just a normal guy. As normal as any other black POTUS. So I guess, in a way, whatever he does is normal because he’s unique.

So are you. But for different reasons entirely, I’m afraid. You are unique for use of irony. You told us to “Pay attention” at the end of your post. No wonder you didn’t say “pay attention” at the beginning. We’d have noticed you were full of shit.


amy334
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

Yeah Yeah, I was young once too, but I remember very well, it makes you delusional. Nice people have nice sweet delusions, nasty people, well you get the idea. It also makes you feel like stupid things make sense: you've heard of the woman who drove for 2 miles the wrong way down a highway in NY? Not too far from where my Mom lived, she killed!!!! KILLED 8 people. Made a lot of sense to her at the time.

Admittedly she was also drunk, but you get the idea…..that is why legalizing marijuana in Ca will have some unlikely foes. Some people can't be trusted to behave drunk or sober, straight or stoned, but the susbstance, oh Yeah, it makes em even more untrustworthy.

You know, I do have a sense of humor but this is serious stuff. When McVeigh blew up the Murrah Bldg. my son said “Mom, who would do such a thing”. I said watch….it'll probably be some young, undereducated, underemployed, white angry young man, with delusions of grandeur, and he'll have spent not enough time reading and too much time getting high”.

Some people just shouldn't have access to substances Period!


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librul
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 12:09 pm

No offense of any kind was taken SP. I like the way you think and the way you express yourself, and I am ALWAYS willing to defer to the more compelling argument or complete facts. What I am not willing to do is buy into the unadulterated bullshit these fanatics spew as “science,” “religion,” “politics,” or “public policy.” Keep hitting them, I am having a great time from the sidelines and will speak up when I think I have something to offer.


damajah
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

Well, you obviously ignored my earlier post, addressing the legitimacy of any congressionally supported document that McSame is a citizen, useless. I stand by my original post, that McLame is a US citizen, just NOT a natural-born citizen, and it is an issue that can only be resolved by a constitutional amendment, or the US Supreme Court. It is BS to believe, that Congress can “declare” that McLame is a citizen. Which dumbazz, facing a local election, WOULDN'T support it, knowing that it is MEANINGLESS?


damajah
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

You are not “clarifying” anything, just putting more BS on the ball, and spinning it in a different direction.


damajah
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Wrong again azzhole. Natural-born means being born in the United States, anyplace considered US soil, such as an airplane or ship, that are US flag carriers.


damajah
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

Still no expalnation why the Republicans don't have the benefit of your genius leading them…they can't do any worse.


TrigIsTheSmartestPalin
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

Who are you replying to?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 12:59 am

C’mon, don’t confuse damajah right in the middle of a really good zinger. I’m not sure damajah has mastered quotation marks yet.

That, or the whole “who do I reply to and where’s ‘reply to all’” thing is still too confusing.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 1:08 am

Thanks for clearing that up. I have no problem being deliberately offensive to racists but I want to make sure my arrows hit their intended targets and no others.

I cannot accept the birthers’ War on Pronouns and Conjunctions (your, you’re, it’s, its, et cetera) any more than I can accept their War on Science or War on 20th Century Political Philosophy (socialism = increasing the vehicle license fee you pay the DMV by five dollars to pay for pothole repair in front of a school for the blind).

Glad to know you’re enjoying the carnival freak show that the birthers put on. I and others just hold out the hoops; the birthers do the tricks on command.

Don’t miss the complete unraveling of Randwulf, over on the “Is this the Source of the Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate” thread. He has gone from telling us that he’s White, to African-American, to half-White, to married to a beautiful woman of color, to married to a woman who is half-white.

Today I confronted him with his false denial of his posts at the white nationalist site stormfront.org, where he posted under the name Randwulf until I called him on it here, at which point he tried to change his name to Roguewind, but the stormfront.org system still connects the two aliases and all posts by either alias. What a doofus.


MarieDevine
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

You prove my point. You said,
“I'm going to leave aside the nonsense about your “predominately” black church and your couch-surfing at a black family's house. Yeah. And George W. Bush is now selling FEMA trailers door-to-door”

You are willing to fight something you know nothiing about. You refuse to believe true even from eye witnesses. That is called darkness.

You said,
Ridicule is not a “Communist tactic,” you simple-minded buffoon. Ridicule has been around since before Plato was a gleam in his father's eye.”
That does not mean Communists didn't decide it was a great tool to deceive the masses.”

You said, “I am sure you're on unemployment. You cannot possibly be paid to use your brain, and judging by your avatar you are not getting by on your looks.”
Again you are sure of something you know nothing about; that is your overall problem. Actually, I am getting by very well on my looks. God loves to use ugly people to do great things…. Mother Tereasa and Ghandi are just two examples. If I were gorgeous you would think I was just trying to get attention. You do not know the half of “my looks.”


stephenperry
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

No no, I was just teasing you, lightly, about writing the equivalent of “fraid not.”

As far as it goes, I don't quibble over whether a man who is born abroad to a man who is commanding the better part of a freakin' Navy at wartime, as Admiral McCain was then, is a natural-born citizen.

As much as I joke about McCain, I never joke about whether the guy is American. He's as American as any of us. Much more American than apple pie.

I have never seen any proof that McCain is merely “naturalized.” That would pervert what it means to be American. If you go fight and die in a war and your kid is born overseas, we're somehow going to say that kid isn't good enough to be eligible to lead us? We're not that far gone, yet.

God Bless America! And please keep posting. I was just funnin' ya.


MarieDevine
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Koyaan said,
Grab a clue, will you please?

There was no way under Indonesian law that he could have obtained Indonesian citizenship in the first place.

Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship and there is no means by which a six year old child may renounce their US citizenship.”

You proved my point. No dual citizenship allowed in Indonesia. He came in as an adopted child. He continued into college yous and it is reported received a Fullbright scholarship available only to foreign students. There is no evidesnce he ever changed back legally to US citizen.

The six your old child would not understand renouncing his US citizenship, but would be concentrating on becoming an Indonesian citizen to be able to go to school. The process amounted to giving up both his American citizenship (if he hand one) and British citizenship of his father, a British citizen of Kenya.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 12:48 am

Wow. More lies per line of text than before.

Where did you get that nonsense about a foreign-student Fulbright scholarship? Did you by any chance pull it out of that goofy hat you're wearing in that avatar?

I went to school with white kids from Kentucky and Kansas who had Fulbrights.

And when did you brush up on Indonesian law? Was it when you were reading about the “rapture” you're usually posting to us about on this thread? Did you by chance read anything about how the United States does not allow other nations to determine the citizenship of U.S. citizens?

“There is not evidesnce” that you ever recovered from inhaling heroic amounts of paint thinner when you were supposed to be studying for that elusive GED.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 12:51 am

“You are willing to fight something you know nothiing about”

You are willing to WRITE something you know “nothiing” about. So why single me out?

Oh yeah, because I keep calling you on your otherworldly idiocy. Carry on, stargazer.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 12:56 am

Two reasons, damajah.

One, I'm not a Republican.

Two, I'm not for sale. I am for rent by the hour, in the form of attorney's fees, but “I decide who and how much.” (Pretty Woman, one of Mom's favorite movies)

I don't mind representing Republicans who have legal trouble. But I would never represent a Republican who was seeking to advance a Republican cause, particularly not one as idiotic as claiming the President is not American.

Anything else?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 12:58 am

See, this is an improvement over the “this is BS and you know it” post. Now we have a metaphorical spitball. Interesting.


Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

Hmmm. Since When Does An “anonymous blogger who says it (Obama's Apparent Kenyan Birth Certificate) is a fake” MAKE It A Fake? Well, I Absolutely Know For A FACT That Mr. Obama IS A FAKE “Natural Born U.S. Citizen”: Because He Has NOT, To This VERY Date, Released His ORIGINAL Birth & Education Records For Public, National & World-Wide AUTHENTICATION & VERIFICATION ! OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN U.S. CITIZEN ! And, Therefore Is UNQUALIFIED TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. BECAUSE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION–THE SUPREME LAW OF THE U.S.A. SAYS: [SECTION 1 OF ARTICLE 2 OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION] “NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, OR A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CONSTITUTION, SHALL BE ELIGIBLE TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT…” *OBAMA'S A BOGUS, CHARLATAN, FAKE, QUACK, PHONEY & PSEUDO-U.S. PRESIDENT !


JIM
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Actually, Tony, it's the rest of the world who knows the truth…it's people like you who are living in a dream world. The COLB is quite legal and shows the truth…people like you just have too much hate in your soul to see it.

Now, put your thumb back into your mouth and go back crying to your momma…no way you commies are ever going to win this argument.

BTW: via your argument, why would anyone believe an anonymous blogger who knows for a fact Obama is a fake? See, there's the problem with your argument, the first thing you said is you weren't to be believed. Which, unfortunately for you, is what I can agree with…you can't be believed!!!


Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Hmmm. Since When Does An “anonymous blogger who says it (Obama's Apparent Kenyan Birth Certificate) is a fake” MAKE It A Fake?

I Especially Get A Kick Out Of “JIM'S” FAKE Line “it's the rest of the world who knows the truth” then backs it up with LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !.

Well, I Absolutely Know For A FACT That Mr. JIM IS A FAKE “Natural Born U.S. Citizen”: Because He Has NOT, To This VERY Date, Released His ORIGINAL Birth & Education Records For Public, National & World-Wide AUTHENTICATION & VERIFICATION !

JIM IS NOT A NATURAL BORN U.S. CITIZEN !

And, Therefore Is UNQUALIFIED TO EVEN BE BELIEVED BY FELLOW NATURAL BORN U.S. CITIZENS SUCH AS MYSELF AND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF OTHER NATURAL BORN CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” !

NOTWITHSTANDING, THE FACT OF WORLD HISTORY REMAINS:

*OBAMA'S A BOGUS, CHARLATAN, FAKE, QUACK, PHONEY & PSEUDO-U.S. PRESIDENT ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


JIM
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Tony, tony, tony…the only unqualified person on this thread is you…unqualified to make a rational thought.

So, why don't you be a nice momma's boy, stick you thumb back in your mouth, instead of up your a**, and go back to playing that computer game in the darkness of your momma's basement. At least your delusions will fit in with a make-believe game. Better yet, why don't you just admit to all these nice people what a lost soul you are and how you really don't dislike Obama, just need your diaper changed, since the only thoughts you have are of a spoiled 2-year-old.

We duly elected Obama and you're a communist…the rest is just in your mind.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

The Great Usurper is an illegal-immigrant & was a natural-born citizen-subject of Great Britain. Of course that was before he was adopted as Barry Soetoro in Indonesia where all his childhood memories exist before age ten. that was when he went to visit the Dunhams in Hawaii on an Indonesian passport & then stayed thru high school.


damajah
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 1:30 am

Ignorance is bliss…you must be euphoric.


damajah
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 1:37 am

The Truth:
All of these claims are intentional hoaxes, including the version that claims to be from Thomas Sowell. Somebody simply tacked his name onto the eRumor.

First, Hawaii became a part of the United States in 1959. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 so his birth was in the United States, not just a U.S. territory. Obama has posted his birth certificate on his web site. CLICK HERE for that page. Even if he had been born in Hawaii when it was a U.S. territory, he would still be regarded as a citizen. According to The Immigration and Nationality Act, Title III, SEC. 305. [8 U.S.C. 1405], “A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth.” Republican candidate John McCain was born in Panama and is considered to be a U.S. citizen under the same act. McCain was born on a U.S. military base and both of his parents were U.S. citizens.

If Obama was born in Hawaii, the issue of the citizenship of his mother is not relevant because he would be a citizen by birth. But the law cited in the eRumor about having just one parent with U.S. citizenship applied to persons born outside of the United States (or specified U.S. territories). Between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, the law specified that if you were born outside of the United States and only one of your parents was a citizen, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least 5 of which were after the age of 16.

The qualifications for president are set in Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution: “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”


damajah
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 1:48 am

No one is denying that McGeezer is a US citizen. The question, is whether he is a natural-born citizen. To promote a declaration as having the same weight as a constitutional amendment, is ridiculous. Those people who say that POTUS Obama is not a citizen also forget that this means he is also an illegal alien.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 5:14 am

See, I'm glad you wrote all that. I was trying to convince a friend that Obama is a fake. He said “no way!” I said “yeah huh!” And we went back and forth for a goodly amount of time.

Then I saw your post. Chock-full of capital letters and exclamation points. You sure shut my friend up. He didn't really shut up. But he did convulse with laughter until we started talking about the high price of underfunding public education. That made us both stop laughing.

Wow. Now you want world-wide verification of Obama's birth certificate? What DO the Polynesian tribes have to say upon the matter? Let's hurry up and find out before the end of the Congressional recess. I want to be sure that the Polynesians get to weigh in early enough to have their voices heard. Usually the people from Myanmar take up all the Polynesian's speaking time when the U.S. Congress throws the floor open to random rants from foreign nations about matters of U.S. Constitutional significance.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 5:16 am

From the editors of the National Review Online, which is not noted for its love of Obama, Democrats, or black people:

“The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMz…


Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 2:45 am

The REAL TRUTH:

The Historic Authorized Holy Judeo-Christian Bible-Scriptures: Almighty GOD”S ONE-&-ONLY HOLY WRITTEN WORD THROUGHOUT ALL HUMAN EXISTENCE Says:

“…AT THE MOUTH OF TWO WITNESSES, OR AT THE MOUTH OF THREE WITNESSES, SHALL THE MATTER BE ESTABLISHED.” DEUTERONOMY 19:15b

“BUT IF HE WILL NOT HEAR THEE, THEN TAKE WITH THRE ONE OR TWO MORE, THAT IN THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY WORD MAY BE ESTABLISHED.” MATTHEW 18:16

“IN THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES SHALL EVERY WORD BE ESTABLISHED.” 2 CORINTHIANS 13:1

“AGAINST AN ELDER RECEIVE NOT AN ACCUSATION, BUT BEFORE TWO OR THREE WITNESSES.” I TIMOTHY 5:19

“HE THAT DESPISED MOSES' LAW DIED WITHOUT MERCY UNDER TWO OR THREE WITNESSES;” HEBREWS 10:28

THE SUPREME LAW OF ALMIGHTY GOD; WHICH SUPERCEDES ANY LAW WRITTEN BY MERE MORTAL MAN: STATES THAT “IN THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES SHALL EVERY WORD BE ESTABLISHED” !

THE WORD OF OBAMA'S GRANDMOTHER SAYS THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA: AS SHE SAYS THAT SHE WITNESSED, WITH HER OWN EYES, HIS PHYSICAL NATURAL BIRTH IN KENYA WITH HER OWN EYES:

WITNESS #1 !

THE WORD OF OBAMA'S HALF-BROTHER AND HALF SISTER IN AFRICA ALSO SAYS THAT THEY WITNESSED, WITH THEIR OWN EYES, OBAMA'S PHYSICAL NATURAL BIRTH IN KENYA ! :

WITNESS #2

&

WITNESS #3 !

WHAT FURTHER WITNESSES DO YOU NEED TO ESTABLISH THE FACT THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WAS NATURALLY BORN IN THE NATION OF KENYA–AND WAS NOT NATURALLY BORN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ! ! !

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

AND IS THUS U.S. CONSTITUTIONALLY DIQUALIFIED FROM BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: YESTERDAY,

TODAY,

TOMORROW

OR

EVER ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


Fred
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 5:16 am

Best of luck with that. You only got 7+ years left to find that proof. Better get on it!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:49 am

This would have been persuasive if it had been 100% composed of capital letters. But only 99% of it is capitalized.

Thus I recognize it as garbage unworthy of being recycled.


Tony Lopez-Retarderos
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 12:25 pm

Jeez Tony, did you forget to take your meds again ?

Go back in the soft room .. c'mon, there's sharp things out here, you'll hurt yourself.

“POST NOT YE IN LOWERCASE LEST THINE READERS BE SHORT OF SIGHT. NAY, POST THOU IN ALL CAPS, AND THUSLY THE VERITY OF THE WORD SHALL BE EVIDENT TO THOSE OF PARANOID AND GULLIBLE NATURE WHOM I HAVE MADE FREEPERS IN MY NAME. POST THOU OFTEN, AND POST THOU FROTHINGLY, FOR THUSLY MY CHILDREN WHO ART SOUND OF MIND SHALL RECOGNIZE THEE AS FROTHER, AND SHALL KNOW THAT THINE WORDS ART GIVEN OF LIMBAUGH AND OF BECK AND OF HANNITY OF THE TINY PENIS.”
- DUDEQUITYOURRETARDERY 28:15f


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stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

Nicely done.

Er, make that “NICELY DONE!!!”


lynnfromtexas
Comment posted August 24, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Different topic. Where are all the war protesters? Haven't heard much since 1-20-09. Why is that? I'll tell you why, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL F@CKING HYPOCRITES. It wasn't the war, it was Bush. Well, what's changed since 1-20-09 with Obama? NOT A DAMN THING, OTHER THAN ESCALATING THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN. All these supposed war protesters can kiss my ass.


stillh20jewel
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

Way 2 Go Tony-Who gives a rip about caps – Geez…
Tony u R correct ! At Lease I Am Looking Forward to THE POWER OF THE PEN 2010 !


RedGraham
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

BHO's mother Stani Dunham was born in Kansas and later moved to Hawaii
with her parents. She started college there at age 17 and became
sexually active with the first & only biracial student who was a
part-Arab Kenyan-Brit named Obama. After first semester she was quite pregnant &
the two were married even though another wife was waiting in Africa.
That summer the newlyweds took a trip to Kenya when Stani was about
7mos. along. Although Grandma Obama claimed to have been present at
BHO's birth in Kenya the accepted account is that Stani was somehow
able to return to Honolulu in a DC3 propjob by August 4, 1961 & gave
birth to Junior(reportedly at one of 2 hospitals). Senior returned to
college there & Stani, who STILL wasn't a legal adult & Junior was 2wks, went off to the
state of Washington for the Fall semester. An image of a Hawaiian COLB for BHO is available online which claims there at least once was an original Birth Certificate on file there and that BC was
almost certainly from Hawaii(a state notorious for handing out COLBs to
those born elsewhere). At least two experts claim that COLB was tampered with or fake. Wasn't too long before the Obamas split-up. In a further attempt to make her parents proud young Stani went off to
Indonesia w/Junior, renounced her US citizenship & married another
moslem named Lolo Soetoro. Alledgedly Soetoro adopted young Barry so he
could attend school as an Indonesian-Moslem and learn to write his new
name in Arabic. About five years later ten-year-old Barry was sent to
temporarily stay with the Dunhams but they raised him to adulthood while
Stani had little sis Maya and proceeded to divorce Soetoro. It stands to reason BHO graduated from high school as Barry Soetoro. BHO's Indonesian citizenship allowed him to apply to Occidental College as a foreign student and also to get a passport to Pakistan. Many cases have been brought against BHO challenging his eligibilty to even run for president. The Supreme Court has refused to hear them for various reasons. Why hasn't Obama/Soetoro counter-sued for libel? Probably because then
he would have to produce the documents and records in question with
whatever info it is he doesn't want made public.


ASD Ded
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 1:39 am

Fucking stupid ass BIRTHER GET A LIFE AND STOP SPEWING RIGHT WING BULLSHIT. AND BUSH AND CHENEY SHIT GOLD TOO RIGHT!!!!!!!!!


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Consul_At_Arms
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

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RedGraham
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 6:39 am

September 11th is Patriot Day & the 17th is Constitution Day. On at least those two days let us pray for the salvation of the man some people refer to as “President” and/or “Barack Obama”. I pray he will get right with God, come clean with the American people about his past and resign from office. If he resigns immediately before any indictment VP Biden will become president & BHO can be pardoned for his deceit.


fred12345
Comment posted September 5, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

BAHAHAHAHA! Dude, that is so last month. Get with the program! The birthers have all moved on to the tenther movement. I guess you never got the memo.


RedGraham
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 5:43 am

BREAKING NEWS A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama's eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution. If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue.
In a highly anticipated hearing today before Carter, several motions were heard, including a resolution to long-standing questions about whether attorney Orly Taitz properly served notice on the defendants, which she had.
In a second ruling, Carter ordered that attorney Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation can be added to the case to represent plaintiffs Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, who had been removed by an earlier court order. Drake, the vice presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Robinson, the party's chairman, also were restored to the case.

Want to know for certain where Obama was born? Demand the truth by joining the petition campaign to make President Obama reveal his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate!

But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz' motion to be granted discovery – that is the right to see the president's still-concealed records. Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case, submitted by the U.S. government, following discussion over Taitz' challenge to the work of a magistrate in the case.

The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama's eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved.

Carter ordered a hearing Oct. 5 on the motion to dismiss and ordered arguments submitted on the issue of discovery.

If the case survives that challenge, a pretrial hearing has been scheduled for Jan. 11 and the trial for two weeks later.

The case would be the first time, according to Kreep, that the actual merits of the dispute will have been heard in open court. A multitude of such disputes have been rejected out of hand by various state and federal courts. Even the U.S. Supreme Court repeatedly has rejected urgent appeals to hear the evidence.

The suit alleges Obama is actually a citizen of Indonesia and “possibly still citizen of Kenya, usurping the position of the president of the United States of America and the commander-in-chief.”


Mr. Logician
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 1:38 pm

I don't think it works that way. First you establish the definition of a witness as laid forth by the King James' Bible (mistranslations, archaic language and all). If we were to follow this reasoning then there it must also be true that WMDs exist in Iraq because there are 2-3 witnesses to corroborate (but that is neither here nor there). Furthermore, you then apply your definition of truth to the United States Constitution, despite the fact that said definition is negated by the “separation of church and state” clause. So your faulty definition of established truth can't even apply to the U.S. Constitution. I fail to see your logic, sir.


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Karper
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

RedGraham… get yourself some lithium and I'm sure you will stop seeing ghosts and hearing voices! If that doesn't work, I'm sure Rush Limbaugh can give you a good source for Oxycontin.


Karper
Comment posted September 18, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

All – Don't get so upset over RedGraham's comments. He/she is off his meds. We don't want him/her to go over the edge any more than they are. There are nice hospitals available to your Red. They will take good care of you, that is, if you can get good health care. Take your meds buddy.


Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Comment posted October 17, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

The REAL TRUTH:

The Historic Authorized Holy Judeo-Christian Bible-Scriptures: Almighty GOD”S ONE-&-ONLY HOLY WRITTEN WORD THROUGHOUT ALL HUMAN EXISTENCE Says:

“…AT THE MOUTH OF TWO WITNESSES, OR AT THE MOUTH OF THREE WITNESSES, SHALL THE MATTER BE ESTABLISHED.” DEUTERONOMY 19:15b

“BUT IF HE WILL NOT HEAR THEE, THEN TAKE WITH THRE ONE OR TWO MORE, THAT IN THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY WORD MAY BE ESTABLISHED.” MATTHEW 18:16

“IN THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES SHALL EVERY WORD BE ESTABLISHED.” 2 CORINTHIANS 13:1

“AGAINST AN ELDER RECEIVE NOT AN ACCUSATION, BUT BEFORE TWO OR THREE WITNESSES.” I TIMOTHY 5:19

“HE THAT DESPISED MOSES' LAW DIED WITHOUT MERCY UNDER TWO OR THREE WITNESSES;” HEBREWS 10:28

THE SUPREME LAW OF ALMIGHTY GOD; WHICH SUPERCEDES ANY LAW WRITTEN BY MERE MORTAL MAN: STATES THAT “IN THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES SHALL EVERY WORD BE ESTABLISHED” !

THE WORD OF OBAMA'S GRANDMOTHER SAYS THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA: AS SHE SAYS THAT SHE WITNESSED, WITH HER OWN EYES, HIS PHYSICAL NATURAL BIRTH IN KENYA WITH HER OWN EYES:

WITNESS #1 !

THE WORD OF OBAMA'S HALF-BROTHER AND HALF SISTER IN AFRICA ALSO SAYS THAT THEY WITNESSED, WITH THEIR OWN EYES, OBAMA'S PHYSICAL NATURAL BIRTH IN KENYA ! :

WITNESS #2

&

WITNESS #3 !

WHAT FURTHER WITNESSES DO YOU NEED TO ESTABLISH THE FACT THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WAS NATURALLY BORN IN THE NATION OF KENYA–AND WAS NOT NATURALLY BORN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ! ! !

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

AND IS THUS U.S. CONSTITUTIONALLY DIQUALIFIED FROM BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: YESTERDAY,

TODAY,

TOMORROW

OR

EVER ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


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