The Greatest Conspiracy of All

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Wednesday, August 05, 2009 at 10:00 am

This thread at the Right Side of Life, keying off of a FreeRepublic.com thread, is actually a pretty useful look at the way facts bounce off of the “birther” community like so many eggs off of a Humvee.

David Wiegel (sic) is a regular poster at the Politijab Forum.

Actually, no: I joined the site in order to read the threads at that superlative Web forum for “birther”-debunkers. I’ve never posted a comment there.

The rest of the argument posits that “Politijab is an astroturf site” because its inbound links come from AOL News, Daily Kos, Topix, and Democratic Underground. How that proves that the site is astroturf, I have no earthly idea.

You can draw your own conclusions, however a betting man would find favorable odds that a one “David Weigel” is part of the fraud campaign.

The “fraud campaign” is a new conspiracy theory, which argues that David Bomford’s birth certificate (used to forge the infamous “Kenyan birth certificate”) is itself a forgery, despite David Bomford’s acknowledgment that it’s real, and despite the failure of anyone responsible for the “Kenyan” certificate to come forward. One more reason to doubt that even the release of every Obama record would please the birthers; with the Bomford certificate, they have a genuine document that predates this conspiracy theory, and their forums are abuzz with “proof” of how it’s forged.

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neilends
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

David, what I'm interested in learning is more background on this woman, Orly Taitz. Not much seems to be known about her. What kind of cases has she made appearances in during her so-called legal career? Has she ever appeared in court? What is her deal?


The Pajama Pundit
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

Wow. The conspiracy knows no bounds. Or brains.

The Birthers start calling David Weigel a 'brown shirt' and 'O-bot' in 3… 2… 1…


neonzx
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

Orly's past and motivations are the real mystery here. Her law degree was obtained from an online correspondence school which is only accredited in California. She apparently did pass the CA bar exam, but her obvious ignorance of basic legal procedures such as process and service makes us think she had someone take the exam for her.

A search of the Orange County Court (available online) shows she has been sued numerous times by clients of her dental practice. There is no evidence that Orly has represented anyone other than herself prior to these Obama eligibility cases.


The Pajama Pundit
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

Wow. The conspiracy knows no bounds. Or brains.

The Birthers start calling David Weigel a 'brown-shirt Nazi' or 'O-bot' in 3… 2… 1…


neonzx
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

But of course! David Weigel, a Libertarian, is in the tank for the big-government spending Democrat Barack Obama. Totally reasonable conclusion.


captainsteve
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

Obama's hidden records and natural born citizenship are legitimate issues.

It's no surprise that Hillary Clinton just went to Kenya to reinforce the cover-up.

I still want answers. Obummer, put up or get out!!!! All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding? and most disturbingly, why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

If you think you have the right to such information, why not pursue legal channels? FOIA, etc? Because the REAL issue here is whether you have the right to demand that information from an American citizen.

You can't trample on one part of the Constitution trying to “verify” another part.


neonzx
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Sam, as you are a self-professed “psychotherapist”, might I suggest you seek counseling yourself? There seems to be some misfiring between your “left brain, right brain” again.

I bet you and Bunny could get a discount if you scheduled a dual-session with an actual LICENSED therapist.

Just a thought.


ProudConservative
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Until he releases a copy of his long form birth certificate and college records, there will always be a question about his being a Usurper President.


mantis
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Correction: Even if he releases a copy of his long form birth certificate and college records, there will always be a question about his being a Usurper President (among crazy ass birthers).


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

It's a pretty clear cycle I think:

A: “I want proof!”
B: “Here. Here's proof.”
A:”I reject that because of X”
B: “Here's more proof.”
A:”I don't believe that because of Y”
(rinse, repeat)

The conspiracy theorist believes they have seen no evidence when in fact they have simply rejected all the evidence they've seen. “Where is the BC!?” (online?). “Factcheck is untrustworthy!” (because they are funded by Annenberg, founded a Reagan confidante?).

There literally is no external evidence that will convince them. Wasn't there a study somewhere that said trying to disprove a conspiracy merely makes the believers think the conspiracy is larger?


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

Yep. I wonder if the birthers *really* think a printed BC would satisfy them? I'm sure a fair number of them are just asking “do you still beat your wife” for the heck of it.


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

the media reported david bomfords certificate 12 hrs after orly put hers up.. how did they get there so fast and go to court house to find this (that exact document????)(in the land down under???)can you pull up vital BC on line??? – how did they know, and how did they find him so fast?? can you even fly there in 12 hrs??.. WTF is goin on?? –this document was forged online with a corrupt media backing it up =–PERIOD


neonzx
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

The Bomford certificate was found online w/ Google image search. It was posted on a personal genealogy website of the owner and has been confirmed as the source of the (most recent) forged Obama Kenyan birth certificate.

The discovery was documented here:

http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f…


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

you tring to tell me you can pull somebodys vital records wrote in a BOOK around the world.. can you pull up my original BC located at the court house?????????????


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

If the book is online you can pull them up immediately. Bomford's was online.

Google any name + “birth certificate”. I tried it with “larry birth certificate” and found one easily.

This is the Internet, really.


neonzx
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Bomford, himself, posted a scan of his birth certificate on the internet at least 2 years ago. That's how the forger got it to use a template for creating the fake Kenyan birth certificate.


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

whos on the next page after bomford BC — tell me right quick and i'll leave you alone–


neonzx
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

I see it is Stu Pidasso


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

are you making that up??? lol– if you are that good tell us what baraqs long version BC looks like.. i'll wait


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

stu pidasso??? give me a link


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

are you forging one for us.. show it to me…


ProudConservative
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

Not necessarily.

What is he hiding and why?


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

would you like me to tell you who is on the the next page????


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

YOU ARE A FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!


neonzx
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

Orly's Kenyan B.C. found!

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/5e7d…


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

what you are leaving out is that hers is a REAL certified signed copy—HMMMM


evreport
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Oh, boy. It was first reported in the Australian media. They have media there. A local reporter interviewed David Bomford on the radio.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2646009.htm


evreport
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Yes, I would, too.


mantis
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Not necessarily.

Most assuredly.

What is he hiding and why?

His secret birth to Malcolm X and Elizabeth Taylor on Alpha Centauri, of course.


A
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

Interesting new conspiracy theory the birthers have concocted. This new one FAILS again in every way. As always, the birthers do not have their facts straight–or have any facts at all, for that matter.

Interesting tidbit about Politijab that can be verified with any of the original birthers that posted over on Obamacrimes (start by asking Charlene or Linda Starr): The Politijab forum was formed in January 2009, after a small group of birther-debunkers were banned from not only Obamacrimes, but another birther forum (now defunct) named Obama Hub.

This small group of birther-debunkers were all quite fond of one another, and were all fed up with being consistently banned at birther forums/blogs for posting facts and law that the birthers did not like. So, they set out to start their own forum, and, voila, Politijab was born. Since it's founding Politijab has drawn birther-debunkers from all over the world, and has grown to become THE source for news of the birther's ongoing crusade to engage in larger and more complex EPIC FAILS– oh, and Politijab is also highly entertaining in its birther coverage, for anyone needing a good laugh.

Mr. Weigel is not a”regular poster at Politijab” in fact, Mr. Weigel (like many of the other journalists who are members there) has never even made ONE post. Seems he comes to PJ for birther-debunking information, as do many many bloggers and other distinguished members of the press.

Silly birthers…


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

http://www.examiner.com/x-14129-Grand-Rapids-Ro…


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

http://www.examiner.com/x-14129-Grand-Rapids-Ro…


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

we have a fraud prez and a fraud media


slama
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

http://www.examiner.com/x-14129-Grand-Rapids-Ro…


ImaForuner
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

Dude – you cannot seriously be pointing to that guy's article…he writes an article TODAY and somehow neglects to mention that the Australian dude has already said they ripped off his birth certificate.

Nice touches with the capitalizion and multiple exclamation points though – it really solidifies your position.


slama
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:13 am

http://www.examiner.com/x-14129-Grand-Rapids-Ro…


slama
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:13 am

http://www.examiner.com/x-14129-Grand-Rapids-Ro…


Matthew Taylor
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:32 am

Nahh its
Oliver Clothesoff
Mike Hunt
Jacque Strap
Al Coholic
Seymour Butz
and finally
Mike Rotch
Homer Sexual
Hugh Jass
B.O. Problem

In that order


slama
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:49 am

http://www.examiner.com/x-14129-Grand-Rapids-Ro…


slama
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:53 am

why yall keep removing my link

http://www.examiner.com/x-14129-Grand-Rapids-Ro…


neilends
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 1:43 am

I think it's odd that a dentist would get sued “numerous times”. Someone (David!) needs to dig these court files up and look through them.

She went to the trouble of studying for and (somehow) passing the California bar exam. It's amazing if true that she hasn't done any legal work at all until now.

Considering her desire to obliterate all privacy laws for the sake of our legal objective, and the ease with which she declares people who disagree with her to be Nazis and corrupt brownshirts, I think delving into her past a little bit is fair game. Certainly her legal career and lawsuit history, which are all public records.


Fred
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 4:21 am

Why not have 'fraud' parties then? Tea parties are so 18th century anyways. Least you can do is bump it up to 19th century.


Fred
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 4:23 am

Definition of losers: Not accepting an election via conspiracy proxy.


LaLee
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 4:38 am

Hey Slama, the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the ACCUSER.

So Obama doesn't need to show you anything since he's the one accused.

BTW can i see YOUR “long form” BC if such a thing does exist?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 5:00 am

You forgot Mike Hawk. He goes right after Mike Hunt.

Also Amanda Hugginkiss

I recognize a fellow Simpsons fan.

“Why oh why can't I find Amanda Hugginkiss?” – Moe

“Maybe your standards are too high!” – Barney


stephenperry
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 5:02 am

We are all participating in that study right now!

I wish they'd get to the part of the study where they pay the participants an honorarium.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:17 am

Well, it's getting out in the drive-by media now.

From David Hahn, “Publisher StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

But, here is the issue:

The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of our country. Article II of the Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen. Without reciting them here, there appears to be some serious questions raised about whether President Obama was born in the United States or Kenya. We have not checked sources, but there are reports that some witnessed his birth in Kenya.

The President's campaign staff and then his administration have released and placed on the internet a “Certificate of Live Birth.” We do not dispute the validity or correctness of that document as others have tried to do, suggesting the use of computers to alter seals and names. By releasing this document the President agrees that the claims about his status as a natural born citizen is an open, important, public issue.

But, this “Certificate of Live Birth” is simply not the best evidence that the President and his administration could offer to lay to rest any doubt about his status as a natural born citizen.

Barack Obama is a lawyer and a graduate of Harvard Law School. All law students study the body of law we call “Evidence.” One of the core tenets of American law is the “best evidence rule” which requires the production of original, or certified copies, of original document to prove a fact. Abstracts and summaries are not original documents.

The President has offered an abstract (Certificate) of his birth, but not an original birth certificate which would be the best evidence of his birth. We need the best evidence so that it can do what the best evidence is meant to do; dispel the doubts about a fact. We need to see the Birth Certificate. That's the one that is often handwritten and signed by the doctor.

Lawyers and legal thinkers will, obviously, argue the finer points of the “Best Evidence Rule” and its applicability to this matter. But, that misses the point. The notion of “Best Evidence” is solidly-grounded in law. This is an important public matter and it seems now that the President has started down the path of offering some evidence (Certificate of Live Birth), he should offer the “best evidence” (Original Birth Certificate) which is the source document for his birth. The document behind the document which has been released. This is what is needed now in the court of public knowledge.

The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.

I guess there are some things that not even a journalism school graduate can stomach.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

Tuci, you loveable little Paulbot moron, an opinion column in a web-only college newspaper is the best you can come up with?


talkischeap
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

I think the story emerging about Oily Taints involvement as an informant for the KGB is fascinating. Perhaps her misguided efforts are part of some attempt to remedy the demons from her past.

But ratting out your neighbors to the Soviets cannot be undone.


cjk002
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

I love how every time anyone goes anywhere, it's part of the conspiracy.

When Obama went on vacation to Hawaii, it was because of the birth certificate, when he went to visit his dying grandmother, it was because of the birth certificate. When Rahm Emmanuel went on vacation to Africa, it was because he snuck into Kenya to secretly meet with Kenyan officials about the birth certificate. And now, Hillary is supposedly in Kenya to participate in the conspiracy, never mind the fact that that makes no sense for several reasons: One, wouldn't it make more sense to send someone less high-profile than Hillary Clinton to secretly reinforce the cover up? And two, why would Hillary even consider participating in a conspiracy that prevented her from becoming president? Don't you think she'd be a little upset if she found out the man she came so close to beating in the primaries was an illegitimate president?

This is why no one takes you birthers seriously, because you are willing to accept anything that even remotely fits into your narrative, no matter how ridiculous it is. This whole “anyone who goes anywhere near Africa or Hawaii is reinforcing the cover-up” meme is a perfect example of the stupidity and moronic thinking behind the birther movement.


yankeeclipper
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

talkischeap:

How about a link to the “emerging story?”


Sherrill
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

The Certificate of Live Birth is the birth certificate. Even if Obama did authorize the state of Hawaii to actually release his *original*, it will say Certificate of Live Birth.


Sherrill
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

The problem with this is that even if he does show is “long form” certificate, you guys will just dismiss it as a fake and part of this grand conspiracy.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

No, it's called a “Certification of Live Birth,” commonly abbreviated “COLB.” It's an abstract or short-form legal document uttered by some states and counties in lieu of a “long-form” similarly signed and sealed computer print-out which is considered a true representation of a birth certificate.

Such short-form COLB-type abstracts were originally created to serve much the same purpose as the true birth certificate copies (it really doesn't take any more effort for a government Vital Statistics department to produce a birth certificate than it does to turn out a COLB) for individuals who didn't have all the “long-form” information on file in the government's archives.

People who had been born outside the U.S.A., for example, like Barry's maternal half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, who had been born in Djakarta, Indonesia.

And then there's this. Sherrill, what you're taking for Barry's “Certificate of Live Birth” are computer graphic images supposedly scanned from a Hawaii state COLB Barry had gotten for himself in 2007.

The image of a stamped, sealed, print-on-paper legal document isn't the real document itself. Nobody outside of Barry Soetoro's circle of sycophants has ever seen or touched or even lightly examined that paper document, and he won't produce it, won't hand it over to be examined.

If Barry has such a COLB, he should be happy to give the damned thing to his enemies – he can always get another one from the state government of Hawaii – and tell 'em to shove it up their collective ass.

But he hasn't done that. Instead, he's either directly spent or received in the form of a kind of gift-of-service over a million dollars (one recent estimate is $1.3 million) to fight off “birther” lawsuits that have sought nothing more than that bloody birth certificate.

Why the hell is he struggling like this? What is in that COLB – or in the government vaults in Hawaii – that literally scares the shit out of Barry Soetoro?


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