‘Birthers’ Invade Capitol Hill, Again

We have the right to be silly, stupid and downright mean in this country. But please don't expect wonderful manners for your tiny hearts and minds. It must be so lonely and painful to live inside heads like these!

YOU GO PATREOTS!! IN GODS AND JESUS NAME AND OUR TROOPS WE WILL WIN ARE CUONTRY BACK!! TRUE PATREOTS LIKE RUSSIAN ORLY TAINTZ AND QUITTER AMERICAN SARA PALLIN WILL HELP US WINN OUR COUNTREE BACK FROM THE AFRICAN, ZULU, KENYAN WARRIOR-USURPER MESSIAH DEVIL BALACK NOBOMBA.

Republicans are fact based. We just want the facts: a birth certificate

Aw, God. Now I feel bad for laughing at them. They just don't have a clue. Shame on GOP for using their goodwill this way. Sad, sorry state of education in America on display. Maybe they were home-schooled and didn't learn critical thinking? I hope that's the explanation.

I am so pleased with my Senators office! They threw your baseless idiotic petition in the trash!
Way to go Bernie! Woo hoo!!

“Republicans are fact based. We just want the facts: a birth certificate”

Here it is:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Republicans are retards, if that's what you mean by “fact based.” FACT: Obama is the only major party candidate EVER to show a brith cirtificate. Now, go look in the mirror and calmly say a black man is president. It's easy. You'll get over it.

Ignoring them starting in 3-2-1…..

I'm sure the Vermonters threw it in the recycle.

I thought this was a clever fake until I realized that only the true Amurrican patriat uses capslock to emphasize the legitimacy of the points he (is not) making.

I wish the real birthers were as funny as you, pinche.

You mean the Birth Certificate that the Republican Governor of Hawaii and the Republican Director of Heath Services for Hawaii confirmed was legitimate??

Hallo Orly Taitz–most pentrated legal opinionator from glorious republik of Moldova! I am in premium agreement with your much troubles regarding fascist media organs. If state apparatchniks allow refuseniks not to show required (schwartzenwalder) papers then I worry much for proper order of societel structures.
Stiffest Regardings,
Nicolae Ceausescu Jr. Jr.

LOL

I hope the Prez gets an iMangine for his birthday

It is hard to believe that supposedly educated and intelligent Americans do not know the difference between a Birth Certificate and a Certificate of Live Birth! I sure hope they have better training at the Federal Office where Passport requests are verified and Authentic Passports are issued than they do at the liberal websites. And if you think that the carefully crafted language used by the Hawaiian Governor and Health Department Head are in any way affirming of a long form Birth Certificate proving Hawaiian birth… I have a bridge to sell you in Arizona! Maybe you can fool all of the people all of the time??!! Besides it's not the Certificate stupid, it's the Citizenship! And BHO can not prove that in any size, shape, or form. It took a Senate Resolution (511) to prove McCain was a NaturalBornCitizen and he had TWO American Citizen Parents, one serving in the military!! We the people will not be silenced by ridicule, obfuscation or threats. We the People are the sovereigns of our Constitutional government; we are not ruled over by Czars, Usurpers or those who ignore our instructions. We will not stand idly by while our Nation is taken over by thugs, thieves and liars. Patriots rise up, let your voices be heard before it is too late!

You do know that the State of Hawaii has said – repeatedly that there is NO legal difference between a “birth certificate” and a “certificate of live birth”. Both are legal documents accepted for the purposes of establishing birth and identity.

As for citizenship, under US law and the US Constitution, there are ONLY two forms of citizenship

1) “Natural Born”, (also called “Native Born”), born jus soli in the United States OR born jus sanguinis to a US citizen parent outside of the United States.

2) “Naturalized”, being someone who adopts US citizenship as an adult and gives up their previous citizenship.

There is nothing in the US Constitution or US law to support the claim that “natural born” equals “two US citizen parents” or that there is a third tier of citizenship. No amount of quoting of de Vattel is going to change that. Barack Obama has proven (and was confirmed by State of Hawaii officials) that he was born in Honolulu Hawaii, and therefore he is a Natural-Born US citizen though jus soli

These folks prove that humans did walk around when the dinosaurs were here.

Unfrozen Caveman Birfers.

I cant get enough of these loons. They're like those birthday candles that keep relighting every time you blow them out. As if the missing Gabor sister and that fantastically misspelled nonsense on those tweets wasn't enough. Keep up the good work birthtards.

I hope they raise and spend ENORMOUS amounts of money from the deluded birfer basement dwellers.

More money for con woman Oily Taint to take with her to Israel when she leaves this country. You people are being played like a cheap fiddle.

The stupid! It burns!!!@!

Considering Obama has already visited several foreign countries, I would presume he has the special Federal passport with the red cover.

Did you get that czars thing from Gingrich? It's precious.

What can you say. These people wouldn't believe it if you brought the doctor '
who delivered Obama right in front of them. They just don't care. Republicans
should be scared to death for what they have unleashed into the public.

Gee, I would laugh at the whole situation if it weren't so serious. The republicans are on the way to a revolution. That is what is scaring me. If the right wing talk shows and Fox news keeps inciting people there will be blood spilled. It is already happening. Look at the killer of the guard at the Jewish Museum, and look at the soldier that was killed by a nut job at the recruiting office, also Dr. Tillers murderer.

Anyone so lame-brained as to believe what a foundation bought and paid for by one's greatest benefactors says about “facts”. Factcheck.org is about propaganda… it has nothing to do with truth. Go research the Annenberg Foundation http://www.annenbergfoundation.org and it's ties to the Obama machine and all the satellite organizations and if you have an open, teachable mind you will see that this is not an unbiased, trustworthy source.. and snopes is two liberal people with an agenda who work in their basement, not a library full of knowledge-filled research books. Wikipedea articles can be uploaded and altered by any fool who wants to tell his own version of the story… none of this is “real”.
Wake up Dorothy we're not in Kansas anymore!!

Please, go ahead and explain the difference between a Birth Certificate and a Certificate of Live Birth. I have a Certificate of Live Birth from the state of Nevada. So I guess I'm not a citizen now either. I hope wherever I'm really from it's a country with single payer health care.

The Head of the Hawaii State Department of Health does not have the jurisdiction to declare anyone a “Natural Born Citizen” that is Constitutional interpretation.. only the Supreme Court can definitively do that job and that subject to reconsideration by later courts (Dredd Scott). It is not the purview of any state official… or we would have states that don't allow abortion wouldn't we? Can't have it both ways.
No Supreme Court has ever defined what “Natural Born Citizen” means. Those particular words were chosen in only this article for some reason.. let's find out why, let it be argued in full open court, let ALL the evidence be heard, discovery made.. get it out in the open air where we can all be satisfied with the transparency. We can all agree to live with the decision.
BTW why, if this is all so cut and dried.. did the Senate have hearings and pass a resolution to verify that John McCain was a “Natural Born Citizen”, but with at least equal questions.. they have omitted the same courtesy to Obama… racism, perhaps.. that is the ONLY acceptable excuse to deny him his rights correct???

Simple:

McCain was born in Panama. As such, there was a question that the Senate settled.

Obama was born in Hawaii. Therefore, there was no question as to his status as a Natural-born citizen.

Racism had nothing to do with it.

I was born in Hawaii a few years after Obama was. (Same hospital.) I have a copy of the original (the handwritten/typed one) that I got in 1997, before the Department of Health stopped issuing copies. It was called a “Certificate of Live Birth”.

Does that mean that I'm not a U.S. Citizen, because I don't have a “Birth Certificate”? (Does the fact that I'm white factor into your decision?)

Dumbass.

Can you tell what
color I am from my writing? Racist?

Nah. They're doing it on the cheap. It's only criminal conspiracies like ACORN that suck up megabucks and blow 'em to no real purpose while doing all that “poverty pimping” Barry supposedly “organized.”

Hey, for them, it's a hobby. Beats scrapbooking, y'know?

I don't know or care what color you are. “Stupid” seems to come in all colors.

But I have noticed that no one has ever questioned MY Certificate of Live Birth before. Gosh, I would hate for anyone to think that I wasn't a “natural born citizen.” Maybe my being white makes my Certificate of Live Birth a legitimate document? These are SUCH puzzling times …

I don't know or care what color you are. “Stupid” seems to come in all colors.

But I have noticed that no one has ever questioned MY Certificate of Live Birth before. Gosh, I would hate for anyone to think that I wasn't a “natural born citizen.” Maybe my being white makes my Certificate of Live Birth a legitimate document? These are SUCH puzzling times …

I don't know or care what color you are. “Stupid” seems to come in all colors.

But I have noticed that no one has ever questioned MY Certificate of Live Birth before. Gosh, I would hate for anyone to think that I wasn't a “natural born citizen.” Do you think that my being white makes my Certificate of Live Birth a legitimate document? These are SUCH puzzling times for a person with a lowly Certificate of Live Birth such as myself …

Does being as stupid as you are hurt? Because Jebus Cripes, you are a complete, 100% dumbass. Factcheck.org is about 'propaganda'? Being so self-delusional is only going to get more punishing as America actually begins to rebound from the recession your Messiah Dubya created and good things happen. Try not to be too disappointed when the apocalypse doesn't happen, and you are relegated (look it up, dummy) to just dying alone and stupid. I don't even care to address racism. It matters not. It doesn't make your supreme dimness dimmer or brighter. Clearly, wasting my precious time on you will have no effect either. Please never ever have children. American kids are dumb enough already, yours would only get run over by buses they were too moronic to know to avoid.
Also, you have ruined the name 'Janet' forever…happy?
And another also, just because I'm smarter than you, which does me no honor whatsoever, and you are an idiot and wrong, doesn't mean you should ever speak again. That is all.

FactCheck is funded by the Annenberg Foundation, specifically the Annenberg Public Policy Center of Pennsylvania, which is anything but impartial.

The Annenberg Foundation also funded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, from which Barry Soetoro and and his criminal felon guru William Ayers distributed tens of millions of dollars to predominantly leftist organizations.

Obamaphiles argue that the Annenberg Foundation was originally funded by a wealthy Republican, the late Walter Annenberg. Somehow they expect acceptance of the notion that because Mr. Annenberg had been a Republican, his legacy Foundation could not possibly have contributed to leftist causes.

The problem with that is the failure to acknowledge the fact that wealthy benefactors often do not retain strict control over the foundations they set up, even while their alive. And after their demise….

Besides, even while he was alive, Annenberg donated $50 million to the United Negro College Fund and supported public television. Neither of those causes could be considered conservative, could they?

There are Republicans, janet, and then there are Pennsylvania Republicans. Does the name “Arlen Specter” ring a bell?

So for the folks down at FactCheck – and let me give you a hint: it is impossible to be “impartial;” the best that an honest individual can do is to explicitly admit his prejudices and predispositions – the one thing of which you can be dead certain when the FactCheck people loudly claim that they're “impartial” is that they're LYING THEIR ASSES OFF.

Setting that aside for the moment, were any of the people at FactCheck – the only people publicly to “admit” that they had seen and examined what (let's be charitable) they thought was their Messiah's Hawaii state Certification of Live Birth back in June 2008 – qualified or experienced as forensic documents examiners capable of certifying such a certification as a true and authentic element rather than a forgery?

Had any of them attested under oat as to their considered opinion of that document's provenance, contents, and other characteristics?

The FactCheck “verification” of what appears to be Barry Soetoro's COLB under the alias of “Barack Hussein Obama II” is precisely bullshit.

So, on to the notion that such a real COLB – actually issued by the government of the state of Hawaii in 2007 – was in existence in June 2008 to be scanned by the Obama campaign and fondled by the worshipful FactCheck assholes.

Okay.

So where is it?

How come it hasn't been slapped down in front of a judge by Barry's heavily “retainer'd” attorneys as “Exhibit A,” rendering all of these expensive (for him) lawsuits all over the country res adjudicata?

D'you think that Barry really has no such authentic document to show, and never did have? Or that what would be found on a real COLB issued by the state of Hawaii would read rather differently from the computer graphic images that flew all over the 'Net in June last year, and which Barry's handlers are trying desperately to sanitize off the Web right now?

Hm.

Nah. Barry was born. Gotta come to grips with that, though there's plenty of argument that Democrat politicians, like other disease-causing microbes, reproduce by binary fission.

But “born in Hawaii”? Nope. Not proven. No birth certificate. Just computer graphic images – JPG files – of what some anonymous asshole at the Obama campaign claimed to have been a “Certification of Live Birth,” and even those images look pretty goddam fishy.

The image of the thing is not the thing itself.

So there's a real “birth certificate” – or even a COLB – floating around somewhere in your Mombasa Messiah's files?

Okay. Great.

So where the fuck is is?

Convince your Marxist Mahdi to cough it up, why don'tcha, and put it on the bench in front of a judge, so that competent forensic documents examiners can take it in hand for thorough evaluation, to certify under oath as to its validity, its contents, its “genuineness or non-genuineness.”

Real easy, right?

So, like, where the fuck is it, pat?

But yanker, what the hell makes you think that it's the Republicans who've “unleashed” the question about Barry Soetoro (alias “Barack Hussein Obama II”) having failed to prove that he'd been born in Honolulu instead of his native Mombasa?

You mean those “go along to get along” Rotarian Socialists masquerading as “opposition” in that big, bipartisan, permanently incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party occupying the federal government of our nation like a foreign invader?

Nah! As long as Barry is shoveling out the counterfeit currency for the Republicans' real constituents – the banksters and the Wall Street sucks and the corporate clowns – they're just fine with him sitting there in the privacy of the Oval Office, his pants around his ankles, jerking off all over the U.S. Constitution. Y'know the saying, right?

“Salt water or fresh, shit floats.”

Some generous several of the constitutionalists might feel some misplaced loyalty to the Republicans, thinking that they're the party of conservatism, but…

I mean, Republicans? Conservatives? Never in their whole history as a party, yanker. Not really. Check out “The Republican Charade: Lincoln and His Party” by Clyde Wilson, why don'tcha?

Great look into the Republicans' history and perpetual mindset.

–
Apparently millions continue to harbor the strange delusion that the Republican party is the party of free enterprise, and, at least since the New Deal, the party of conservatism. In fact, the party is and always has been the party of state capitalism. That, along with the powers and perks it provides its leaders, is the whole reason for its creation and continued existence. By state capitalism I mean a regime of highly concentrated private ownership, subsidized and protected by government. The Republican party has never, ever opposed any government interference in the free market or any government expenditure except those that might favour labour unions or threaten Big Business. Consider that for a long time it was the party of high tariffs – when high tariffs benefited Northern big capital and oppressed the South and most of the population. Now it is the party of so-called “free trade” – because that is the policy that benefits Northern big capital, whatever it might cost the rest of us. In succession, Republicans presented opposite policies idealistically as good for America, while carefully avoiding discussion of exactly who it was good for.

If Sarah would just turn over Trig's birth certificate we could put all of this behind us.

Wow if you don't believe FactCheck or Snopes then how about THE HAWAII HEALTH DIRECTOR Chiyome Fukino or JANICE OKUBO?

Oh BTW Janet, Dredd Scott NO LONGER VALID because it has been OVERTURNED BY THE RESULT OF US CIVIL WAR.

The more time the anger bears spend on this idiocy, the better for us all. They will next tackle the critical issue of government chemical trails masquerading as jet contrails. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

Janet, please don't reproduce. America cannot survive such a jump in the stupid index.

I know you tea-bagging birthers love quotes from ye olden days. I like this one:

“A man sometimes starts up a patriot, only by disseminating discontent, and propagating reports of secret influence, of dangerous counsels, of violated rights, and encroaching usurpation. This practice is no certain note of patriotism. To instigate the populace with rage beyond the provocation, is to suspend publick happiness, if not to destroy it. He is no lover of his country, that unnecessarily disturbs its peace. Few errours and few faults of government, can justify an appeal to the rabble; who ought not to judge of what they cannot understand, and whose opinions are not propagated by reason, but caught by contagion.” -Samuel Johnson-

I like our odds in any fight, birfers and tea-baggers don't have JDAMS!

[...] Birthers for Algernon. [...]

Obama was born in Hawaii. Born in Hawaii. Born in Hawaii. The republican governor who saw the original said he was born in Hawaii. They have shown the birth certificate on many occasions. I can't help if these people don't believe it. President Barrack H. Obama is a US citizen born in the good ole USA

Janet, here's someone who sympathizes with you:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/a55601dee1/ang…

Obama has no one to blame but himself for the controversy. He has failed to produce records that past presidents have routinely made available to the public, even if they proved embarrassing (long form birth certificate, school records, etc.)

Wrong, it's been released but you “birfers” just don't care. The COLB is all your ever going to see. That's it. Nothing else to release. There are no other documents.

I enjoy this game, but the real question is will your head implode when Obama is re-elected to a second term?

Tuci Tuci Tuci, when will you ever get it right? It's Barry Sombrero, okay? Som-Brer-O. God almighty man, get with the program.

Also if you eant to see the real birth certificate, just go to Wonkette.com, I dare you.

I am not a republican, and I am not convinced Mr. Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. However, because of the amount of effort to smear these people (much like calling the tax protestors “teabaggers”) by mocking them and using the term 'birthers' to invoke some crazy tin foil wearing extremist image, I wonder why.
The regurgitated response seems to be, “They showed the birth certificate” and the standard reply to that is, “It's not the official long form”. Let's start there instead of taking giant steps back and calling each other names and belittling them. That is what a true democracy should do.

If the COLB is all there is, then this will not die, regardless of your attempts at shaming the people who question it with names like 'birthers' I do not call you an Obamaniac simply because you blindly follow the leader and whine when someone wants to critisize Barry's politics. People like you are why our forefathers saw fit to expressly grant us the right to express displeasure in our leaders.

keep talking. Idiot. You have lost your way and so like a whiny little mewling baby, you are scream into the void and MAKE SHIT UP.

Any document produced will be called a forgery. I can't imagine what they are going to be doing next year. Their whole life centered around the non-existent birth certificate. Just curious, how many of you have got the “long Form” of your own birth certificate? Seriously do you people get paid to do this? I'd be asking a huge hourly rate just for the public humiliation. Jobs are tough to get these days but I doubt many are lining up for yours.

i wish stupidity was painful….you'd see every republican drop to their knees. as an independant the “birther” “argument” only works to show that the GOP is deeply rooted with racism.

not every republican is a racist….but every racist is a republican!

One non-birther Republican told me:

When Obama registered to run for president, he had to prove to George Bush's Justice Department and the FBI that he was a US Citizen. He was even vetted by McCain's team. If Obama is not a US citizen, then the Republican elite is in on the conspiracy to put a foreign power in charge of the country.

Another thing I'd love to have a birther explain to me. If Obama really isn't a citizen and was not born in Hawaii please explain the birth announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday August 13th 1961. I find it sort of hard to believe that this a conspiracy that started 48 years ago to get this guy elected president. But then I'm a reasonable intelligent sort, and not given to paranoid delusions based on my rasist beliefs.

Go Bernie, toss it into the trash where it belongs.

The “long form” is not Obama's property… it belongs to the State of Hawaii, and its validity has been personaly verified by the Republican governor AND the director of health and human services.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

Frankly, if the “birthers” are correct, that would mean a major party candidate would risk EVERYTHING for a fraud that would be easily uncovered. It would also mean that the Bush administration, and John McCain himself, conspired to put our country in the hands of a foreign national from Kenya.

That's pretty out there as far as conspiracy theories go…

Janet, I am pleased to make your acquaintance. I am James Mgede of Mombasa, Kenya. I have in my possession the true birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II, who was as you have suspected born in our country. I fear for my life, as American agents are searching for this document. I would like you to have it, so that the truth can be known. Obviously such an important document cannot be mailed or shipped as it would be intercepted, and all standard means of faxing it are also being watched.

My brother in law works for the Exchange Bank of Kenya, and he has found a way to send documents using the same methods used for international money transfers. If you will send me your account information including bank name, routing number and account, I will have my relative send this true birth certificate, and it will arrive to you in an envelope with your next account statement. If you are agreeable to this, please reply.

Sincerely, James Mgede
Mombasa, Kenya

Of course you have that right… but look at how badly you are using it!

The founding fathers wanted people to petition your government with a specific list of grievances. The only things I've seen from teabaggers and birthers is blind anger… or fury about policies that were started by Republicans.

That's not a good strategy… because then its easy to dismiss everything you say as crazy.

Wow I'm so impressed with your vocabulary.. relegated? Oh well, you pusillanimous wretch, look it up,honey. I never claimed to believe that George Bush was the Messiah, I have one God. The liberals are the ones who designate their leader as “the One”. No person is perfect, but it turns out that Iraq did have WMDs that they moved to Syria before the IraqWar, read Sadam's Secrets (I saw the Iraqi general who wrote it on the Daily Show.. now that's a credible sourse right?). So, President Bush is vindicated sooner than we expected.
I thought we wanted the government to stay our of our private, medical and reproductive decision, yet now Everyone is supposed to roll over and let the Governement tell you what treatment you can and can't get and when you are old enough to die and get out of the way? Plus everyone else has to pay for it. You can't have it both ways.
I's so comforting that “smarter” now means angrier, nastier and more insulting… I'll try to remember that. By the way , I have five children and four grand children (so far) I'm hoping you were true to your ideals and had only 1.4 children or maybe none at all. That way my posterity will out-number and over come yours for years and generations.
Funny how you libs run out of valid arguments so fast and have to turn to ad hominim insults by the second paragraph. Maybe if you took an IQ test you could quote me your numbers next time. I'd be delighted to compare our scores. I'm not thinking you quite make it to Mensa, but let me know.
Yes, Janet means gift of God and I try to live up to my name.

That's why we love Bernie Sanders: unafraid of truth.

Well I see why you like Johnson so much… he wrote the pamphlet “Taxation No Tyranny”, but he was British and WE are Americans. We did rebel from King George and we are free.. have been for the last 233 years, I think the “publik unhappiness bridge” has already been crossed. (and I wasn't the one who did that). If you agree with Johnson that a one should acquiesce to living under a king.. well there are places where you can move that have kings.
We have liberty and our founders taught us differently…. “If Caesar had been as virtuous as he was daring and sagacious, what could he, even in the plenitude of his usurped power, have done to lead his fellow citizens into good government?… If their people indeed had been, like ourselves, enlightened, peaceable, and really free, the answer would be obvious. 'Restore independence to all your foreign conquests, relieve Italy from the government of the rabble of Rome, consult it as a nation entitled to self-government, and do its will.' But steeped in corruption, vice and venality, as the whole nation was,… what could even Cicero, Cato, Brutus have done, had it been referred to them to establish a good government for their country?… No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and their people were so demoralized and depraved as to be incapable of exercising a wholesome control. Their reformation then was to be taken up ab incunabulis. Their minds were to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and deterred from those of vice by the dread of punishments proportioned, indeed, but irremissible; in all cases, to follow truth as the only safe guide, and to eschew error, which bewilders us in one false consequence after another in endless succession. These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure of order and good government. But this would have been an operation of a generation or two at least, within which period would have succeeded many Neros and Commoduses, who would have quashed the whole process. I confess, then, I can neither see what Cicero, Cato and Brutus, united and uncontrolled could have devised to lead their people into good government, nor how this enigma can be solved.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1819. ME 15:233
Et tu Brute?

Nah. This “birther” stuff is good, healthy, and at the very most harmless to those of use in genuine resistance against unconstitutional civil government and the manifold malefactions of the Mombasa Messiah. That it draws attention to the secretive, scuttling criminality of our “poverty pimp” pseudopresident is all to the benefit of our polity, and helps to sensitize the populace to the strictures of the U.S. Constitution and why the preservation of this charter is absolutely vital to the preservation of our republic.

Remember, the image of a thing is not the thing itself. The images of what Barry and his ACORN accomplices wanted the nation to take as his “Certification of Live Birth” in June 2008 – and of which nothing else has been seen, heard of, nor smelled since that time – is not a legal document tendered to a judge sitting at his bench and prepared to put said document into the hands of forensic evidence examiners competent to testify as to its “genuineness or non-genuineness.”

So where the fuck IS that 2007 Certification of Live Birth now, goddamnit?

and the ever-delightful:

What the fuck is that shifty sonofabitch HIDING, anyway?

Well, Barry Soetoro was born. Like I've said, much as we'd like to believe that “Democrat” Party politicians reproduce – like other microbes – by binary fission, he got born.

But in Hawaii? Not proven. You got a physical forensic document proving that? Not computer graphic images of something nobody outside the Obama campaign (or the offices of the Obamaphiles at FactCheck) has ever seen, but a print-on-paper, signed and sealed, uttered-by-the-government-of-the-state-of-Hawaii legal document that can be handed over to a qualified examiner for verification?

Without that, what the hell proof is there? Barry's word? The pledge of an Alinsky-reading, Ayers-trained, ACORN “poverty pimp” lawyer who was taught at Harvard Law how to lie for a living?

Nah!

Ooh, careful! Little stevie will report you to the Secret Service.

Nah. The “Republican elite” – after dealing to their bankster buddies a “business cycle” guaranteed to tank like a bathyscaphe after the plunderers have pulled out their billions – handed the cement bicycle to their nominally “Democrat” buddies on the other side of the permanently incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party and they're watching Barry Soetoro try to peddle it across the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.

What is it about “Shit scraping” you don't understand? The Republicans didn't want to be in the White House while the economy is going down the tubes. Why the hell d'you think the “Republican elite” moved heaven and earth to make sure that Crash Test Johnnie got the nomination last year?

Took 'em some doing, too. Mitt Romney damn' near beat the old whore, and that might've offered the electorate some kind of choice instead of that “poverty pimp” Mombasa Messiah upon whom you dote so slavishly.

Speedy Gonzalez could have written it for all I care, the sentiment and point being made is still valid. And it still describes you and the whole freeper hive!

Mike, they haven't even “showed the birth certificate.”

What has been shown (from June 2008 forward) have been computer graphic images of what the Obamaphiles claim to have been a short-form “Certification of Live Birth” issued to one “Barack Hussein Obama II” in 2007.

Not such a document itself. Images. As I've kept writing, “the image of a thing is not the thing itself.”

What is lacking is the tender of that physical, print-on-paper, unaltered, signed and sealed official legal document uttered by the government of the state of Hawaii, and which it is claimed had been scanned in June 2008 to create those images, to a judge or other officer of the courts for evaluation by qualified, certified forensic documents examiners who are prepared to testify under oath as to its contents, validity, and other characteristics – in the advisory words of such a documents examiner called upon to make her recommendation, its “genuineness or non-genuineness.”

The position of the Obamaphiles is that such a COLB had existed in June 2008 to be scanned.

Okay. Where is it now? Where has it been for the last 13 months, while this “birther” issue kept simmering?

The first very small – not “giant” at all – step necessary to render this matter res adjudicata in jurisdictions all over this nation is simple enough. Instead of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to quash these dozens of court cases through proceduralistic “fancy lawyer tricks,” have a messenger convey the physical paper document supposedly used for scanning those images in June 2008 to one judge, and let the damned controversy move toward definitive settlement.

So why the hell hasn't Barry Soetoro done that?

What the hell is that shifty sad sack of shit HIDING, anyway?

No document thus far produced (which is, of course, to say “no document,” for none has been produced; just images alleged to have been scanned from such a document) has been subjected to impartial, objective, competent evaluation by trained and experienced forensic documents examiners.

That being the case, Dburn, how is it that you can insist that “Any document produced will be called a forgery,” hm?

Getting the sworn testimony of such forensic documents examiners on their opinions of the “genuineness or non-genuineness” of Barry's evidence supporting his contention that he is a natural born citizen of these United States – of which, let me repeat, we have had no real evidence – would be an important step toward resolving this embarrassing and potentially fatal political problem for him.

You want to send this back up the “left-wing blogger” email conduit to Messiah Central and tell 'em folks aren't buying the “talking points” lines of bullshit they're trying to peddle? Thanks!

Sure. The birth announcements in the microfiche archives of the Sunday Advertiser (it was only a weekly back in 1961) are evidentiarily unreliable for a number of reasons, if only to mention font and kerning variations in the section alleged to announce Ms. Dunham's delivery but also the strange fact that the birth of the Nordyke twins one day before Barry's supposed vaginal exodus is absent from those microfiche pages.

They report Ms. Dunham's blessed event and fail to record the exertions of Mrs. Nordyke? Hm. “Damn. That's funny….”

Didn't have to get “started 48 years ago” to result in deception today.

When criminals get together to defraud or to rob or to rape or to murder, the technical term is “conspiracy,” burntbird. You got that right, at least.

Thank you very much James, but contrary to some people's opinion.. birthers are not gulible, stupid people. You may find a denyer who would be willing to give you the account information so that they can dispose of this important document so that no one else will be able to see it and depose their Messiah .. “The One” who will bring Hope and Change to their sad desperate lives.

Have a nice day.

Dear friend,
When you are dealing with a historical incident it is necessary not to simply assume that our modern thinking and expectations are superimposed upon a different and earlier time period, but to understand the past in context. After doing much research it has been discovered that the newspaper information at that time was provided by the family, not the hospital or the Department of Health. Look at the announcement, it more resembles an ad or a personal notice similar to the announcement of an engagement or wedding than an official public government notice.
The Health Department took over this responsibility some time later and now the notices are Official Records of birth. Think about it, would a government recording in the paper list the address of the parents? In the past all local newspapers contained a lot of more personal and family “news” than is carried today. I have an article relating the details of an ice cream social which was held on my husband's grand parent's lawn one Saturday afternoon in the family Bible. Things were different then.
In addition a reporter went to Hawaii and did extensive interviews with neighbors trying to find someone who was an eye witness to this moment in history, looked for rental information, public records which would prove that the Obama's lived at that address.
These findings are reported in World Net Daily e-newspaper from the July 28, 2009 issue “WND has previously reported the birth notices for Barack Obama Jr. that were published in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin in 1961 do not provide solid proof of a birth in Hawaii because of uncertainties over the policies and procedures used by the newspapers at that time.

WND hired a private investigator in Hawaii to seek out neighbors who lived in 1961 adjacent to 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, the address listed in the newspaper published birth notices.

According to an affidavit filed with WND by the private investigator, Beatrice Arakaki was a neighbor who has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present.

Arakaki did not recall the Obama family living in the neighborhood, and she was unaware of any young couple living at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway that met the Obama family description.

If Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham lived at this address when Barack Obama Jr. was born, the original long-form birth certificate should confirm this address as the residence of the baby at birth.

The Hawaii short-form Certification of Live Birth lists no residence address information.”

I know that there is a longer article about the investigator's findings, but this contains the pertinent facts. I hope that this is helpful and will whet your appetite to research further and find the truth for yourself. It is possible you will see that “facts” are not always as easy as they seem.

Thank you for this question, I hope I have answered it adequately, unfortunately I have not been able to go and research this for myself, but I have done much genealogical research of my own family. It isn't easy to find out what really happened so far away. In one instance family lore had related that my great, great grandfather had been killed in a very famous coal mine accident. I read the book, found and read the list of those who had been killed in the accident, but did not find his name. Much later I received his probate papers from the courthouse where he had lived. These documents revealed the true story which was that grandpa had indeed been in a coal mining accident, a lesser and later accident. He was injured and the injuries eventually led to his death, but he lived for some time after the mine accident. The truth was quite different from the story that had been passed down generation to generation, but I was able to find the truth with persistence, diligence and a mind open to learn things that I had not been told by people I respected and really believed would have the straight facts. Honestly I wanted to believe the important and impressive story that “my grandfather died in the worst coal mining disaster in history”, but the truth is more mundane.. “my grandfather was a coal miner who was badly injured in a mining incident, he died several years later from related weaknesses.”
I know this is a personal story and maybe not interesting, but illustrative of my experiences with the inclusiveness of true history. Thank you.

I think we need more than a bit of anonymous, hearsay to corroborate something this important. If someone has looked at his documents, then that person needs to come forward and convince the rest of us. The other nagging question, why is he unwilling to release ANY of his historic documents?
Ronald Reagan's Birth Certificate is on display at his Presidential Library along with some rather embarrassing films.. “Bedtime for Bonzo” comes to mind. It was not conducive to the image he wanted to portray as president, but he did not seal it and demand that it never be shown.
So why, really, why is Obama hiding all of his historical documents, records, writings, theisis, grades, travel records.. if he has nothing to hide why seal his history up and deny discovery?

I don't care what you believe. He was born in Hawaii. He was born in
Hawaii. I guess your party of the wackadoodles. Go away and stop bother
me. Who are you? You choice not to believe and I choice to believe. You
won't change my mind and I don't care about your mind.

Birthers are the very definition of gullible. (Two Ls then one, btw.) When you look up “gullible” in the dictionary, you get a picture of a birther listener to that Taitz person. Please keep up the fight, oh un-foolable birther. You are the very foundation and strength of conservatism in America.

[...] other GOP flash mobs, “grassroots,” “astroturf,” or otherwise, bent only on disrupting real policymaking without adding any real substance to the debate. No doubt there are Americans, of any party, [...]

Well, nobody's terribly afraid of anything he's never acknowledged.

Bernie Sanders? Truth?

Kinda like saying “Bernie Sanders: unafraid of dark matter.”

Or: “Bernie Sanders: unafraid of a live Tyrannosaurus rex.”

Or: “Bernie Sanders: unafraid of sword-wielding mice.”

Yanker, it's not what I “believe,” but rather what's been proven and not proven.

What has not been proven to the satisfaction of the hypothetical objective observer – like a judge sitting at the bench in a court of law and discharging his duty as a public servant – is the assertion that Barry Soetoro (alias “Barack Hussein Obama II”) was born in a hospital in Honolulu on August 4, 1961, because no legal documentary support has been presented to said observer – judge – for evaluation by competent, experienced, qualified forensic documents examiners prepared to testify under oath as to said document's “genuineness or non-genuineness.”

It's not a matter of faith for us constitutionalists, Yanker, but merely a reasonable, reasoned demand for tangible evidence of your Mombasa Messiah's contention that he ought to be allowed to continue drawing a salary from the Executive Branch of the U.S. government instead of working the prison laundry in Marion, Ohio.

The “believe” is entirely on your side – the Obamaphile side – of this dispute.

Would you please feed that back up to Messiah Central? Just use the “Reply” to the message you got from them on “talking points” for “left-wing bloggers,” and let them know that this line of shit isn't going anywhere but down the drain, too.

Yep, Bernie sure is your Senator.

Now, whether your friends and neighbors – and even the honest, sane, rational people, too – in Vermont want him to continue as their Senator….

Well hell. Hey, Bernie! Surrender!

Whiney voice: “In whose name?”

“In the name of the Great Jehovah and the Continental Congress!“

While you're looking up “gullible,” look up A Question of Eligibility, why don'tcha?

Keep up the struggle, True Believer (in the Hoffer sense) Obamaphile. Once Barry gets socked away in a narrow little room in Leavenworth, he's gonna be terribly grateful to you for those donations to his prison account for the purchase of razor blades and hand lotion.

Well, it's getting out in the drive-by media now.

From David Hahn, “Publisher StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.

I guess there are some things that not even a journalism school graduate can stomach.

Its been proven, go away and leave me alone.

Nope. Not a goddam bit, Yank-crank.

You just suck back on your Pepto-Bismol and watch, you pitiful asswipe. Things are getting to be fun for us constitutionalists!

I didn't expect such hysterics in response to my rather mundane comment. Until Obama comes clean with all his records, i.e. long form birth certificate, college records, etc. these questions will continue to haunt him. And if Obama is reelected, my life will continue pretty much as it is today. Although chances are that by 2012, at least one state will require him to provide his long form birth certificate to get on the ballot.

So you don't believe George Bush's Justice Department and the FBI?

This proves the point that no matter what evidence is presented some people just don't WANT to believe it therefore will not. Period.

Tuci, you loveable little Paulbot moron, an opinion column in a web-only college newspaper is the best you can come up with?

I'm supposed to believe World Net Daily? I believe it was you who made other post about FactCheck.org and weather or it it's point of view was baised and now you quote WND and a resource?? WND is a non-baised website?? Oh..okay. This is the site that confirmed Obama's birth certificate and then denied they confirmed it. They are completely biased, sorry.

BTW, if we're sharing personal stories, my wife has no living relatives, just a certificate of live birth and some birth announcements in the local small town paper where she was born. No one left in the small town can recall her birth and since her parents sublet an apartment in back of the main house there is no record of them residing at the address. Should we be expecting the INS to drop by and deport her to Africa soon?

Wow, Tuci, I have to ask since everyone of your replies to me has included an insult, are you voluntarily off your meds or did you lose your health insurance?

Or do subscribe to the Fox News beleive that if your posts are witty and involve putting other people down it makes you more intelligent?

Is your wife planning to run for President in the next election? If she is then I would expect that she should be willing to have the Original Long Form Birth Certificate which is surely on file at the County Courthouse or the State Health Department (I have purchased copies of relatives' certificates who were born in 1870 from the country courthose in Illinois).
An ordinary citizen has no need to present documents to meet this high standard, but one seeking the highest office in the land, the most powerful office in the world, should be willing to go the extra mile and we do rightly expect that.

The State of Indiana has just raised the standards of proof of residency to get a driver's license; I would like Mr Obama to just meet these if he wouldn't mind.

BMV Increases Proof of Identity Requirements
Effective January 1, 2010, every person renewing, replacing or applying for a new driver’s license or identification card will be required to present documentation proving the following four items:
1. Identity. An original or certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate or a U.S. passport. A change in the name listed on your birth certificate requires additional items to be brought in to show proof of each name change.
2. Social Security Number. A Social Security card, a W-2, tax form, or a pay stub showing the name and Social Security number on it.
3. Lawful Status. An original or certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate or a U.S. passport satisfies this requirement.
4. Residency. Two recent statements (computer-generated acceptable) from a utility company, bank, credit card company, doctor or hospital showing name and residence address.
After you present the required documentation, you will receive an interim license at the BMV branch. You will receive your permanent license or identification card within 10 business days. It will be mailed from a secure, government-run facility to your mailing address.
To learn more about these requirements, please visit http://www.in.gov/bmw.

Posted: July 21st, 2009 under Change in Law.

BTW WND ran a column (one of hundreds of columns it has reported in the emerging story) about the supposed Kenyan BC, but it never stated that it was authentic. RFead the Headline “COULD this be…”. You see unbiased news reporting can show you evidence as it appears and trust that you can think for yourself.. the MSM on the other hand believes that they need to think for you and then tell you what to think and you shouldn't question what they say, “it's a dead issue” .
Oh and you meant whether.. not weather.. there is a storm brewing in America, but I don't think you were referring to it.

I have never seen anywhere that George Bush's Justice Department or the FBI stated these facts. I just have your word that an aquaintance of yours who is Republican (sub type:non-birther) told you. I don't know you from Adam, know your friend less and in this country someone has the right to face their accusers, evidence is to be available to the defense as well as the prosecution… so that heresay..uncorroberated information passed on from unknown sources.. is not admissable as evidence. So unless you can get me a sworn statement, a witnessed deposition,some official report, I don't have any faith in you assertions. You're free to believe them, but I hope you're not on the jury whem I am falsely accused of something.
I welcome, yes welcome the thorough investigation, discovery and open display of all evidence in this matter so that once and for all we can get down to the business at hand and put this controversy behind us.

Well we know Obama has a passort as the passport files of McCain, Clinton and Obama were breeched during the election cycle. So he's good there.

2. The social security number thing, the only person I know of who releases his SSN is the CEO of LifeLock. No one else is dumb enough to do so, for obvious reasons..

3. The birth certificate. Back to where started now aren't we? Let's not cover this again, as we can not agree on this fact.

4.Residency. I believe his home in Chicago covers that one. It wouldn't get him a Indiana drivers license, but since we're off on a wild tangent I'm just going with it.

This simply comes down to whether (thank you for the spell check on previous post) you take the evidence provided already as fact and whether you would except any evidence provided as fact. I think there are some people who will not, no matter what the evidence chose to believe it. Just like the “flat earthers” and the people who think we never went to the moon even though we put mirrors up there to bounce lasers of off, some people will chose not to except any evidence provided.

Man, that is one sharp, sharp wit on Tuci78. Man, can you imagine if he were a Supreme Court Justice or a Senator, instead of some inane jackass bitching impotently on the internet? What's the matter, buddy, Mom buy you the wrong flavor of Mountain Dew again?

Sorry you can't deal with the fact that an American man of mixed race was elected to be President of the United States.

Hey, if you're an Obamaphile, what the fuck do you expect to get from honest, honorable, fed-up private citizens who want nothing more than the merry pleasure of seeing your socialist sad sack of shit Mombasa Messiah perp-walked out of the White House by a squad of federal marshals, his wrists cuffed behind his back, stumbling along in ankle fetters, one firm hand of a captor on each side of his belly chain, while the Secret Service detail dithers and looks pale and the Marine guards at the gate throw him the finger, grinning from ear to ear?

I'm a taxpayer. I certainly deserve that little much for all the money that's been squeezed out of me all my life.

Nah. I can deal with anything. What I'm enjoying is the picture of a lying, socialist sad sack of shit Fraudulence-in-Chief getting more and more people utterly enraged at his absolutely criminal conduct in refusing to provide proof positive of his nonexistent bona fides as a “natural born citizen” by simply plopping his birth certificate – or even that alleged Certification of Live Birth supposedly used to create those gormless computer graphic images back in June 2008 – down in front of a judge and proving his contention.

Which it looks like he fucking well can't. And he knows it. And so do all the incontinent assholes plotzing around on these threads screaming “Don't look at the man behind the curtain!” at the tops of their bronchitic lungs.

I mean, could it possibly be better? Such a friggin' fiddlin' little thing, the kind of proof-of-identity millions of Americans are ordered to present if they want to do so much as to renew their drivers' licenses, and Barry Soetoro can't do it.

Can't.

And it won't go away. Just won't.

You don't like this, cheapie? Tough. I'm just kvelling, I tell ya!

I am an American.
I am the part you won't recognise.
But get used to me.
Black,confident,cocky.
My name, not yours.
My religion, not yours.
My goals, my own
Get used to me.

Muhammad Ali

Or President Barack Hussein Obama
You lost, We won.
Get used to it.

Well, yes he does have a passport now, but it is the one he received as a member of the Senate.. we want to see the one he used while he was traveling the world as a college student in 1980 or 1981. That passport will reveal what nationality he was claiming when he had recently attained his majority.
Yes he does have a social security number too.. only it isn't the only one he has used. He once used the SS number of a 115 year old woman and there are a dozen SS #s that are attributed to him now.
OK Well, if he's not willing to show his birth certificate he can't get a driver's license or his passport (oh yeah.. he doesn't need to prove himself HE”S THE PRESIDENT!!) He gets a pass. Whew!
Then if you want to go back to Illinois..there is the issue of the statement he signed to get his ILL law license stating that he had never used any other name than Barak Obama. Now that is perjury since everyone knows he has used several different names!
The problem here is in my opinion as you have stated only I am not the one who is being obstinant
Mr Obama has stated very clearly in his book that his father was an African born person, actually a British subject,and that at his birth he inherited British Citizenship. His father was not an immigrant or even one who was even planning to become an American as he lacked even a green card. Under British law at the time Barak was born a British citizen since citizenship falls from the father. . Under American law of that day his mother was too young to convey citizenship to him, therefore he can not have Natural Born Citizenship. He could have become a naturalized citizen once he reached 18 years of age, but he did not. How then does he even hold American citizenship? There is no such thing as one's citizenship “expiring”, you are what you are. Now there is such a thing as being eligible for citizenship and not claiming it as in my daughter's case. She was born in Germany and could have claimed German citizenship at 18. She would have had to choose between being an American and being a German.
I would like you to think about the fact that the teaching that the earth was flat was propagated by the establishment.. not by the true Christians. The Bible clearly teaches that the earth is round Isa 40:22 “[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:” In those days the State Church prevented the “people” from reading the Bible and gave them the teaching that was convenient and useful for the State. This should not be blamed on the Christian faith.
Things are not always as we have been taught in school or as those in charge tell us… we must think critically, check the facts for ourselves and be objective.

I have come to see that you as a liberal, Obama supporter hold this allegiance as a zealous religious devotion and you will not easily be disabused of your desire for the Hope and Change promise to actually be true.
I have lived in the midst of a socialist country and I can tell you it is a barbarous, cruel, form of government. We don't want it here, believe me. I know what the truth is and I can see that you , though sincere and desiring good for all, are living under a strong delusion. I pray that the truth will become clear and that the spell will be broken and our entire nation will soon awaken from this awful nightmare.
Please forgive any misspellings. It is late and I am very weary.

I found this link and wanted you to be able to see it.

TalulahStarr RT @WeThePeopleUSA The FBI/CIA DOES NOT perform background checks on Presidential candidates. Read http://bit.ly/GN5ZD #PHNM

Well I'm sure that you will disregard it, but.. fact is fact. Do you really believe that the present President is the one who has the power to vett the next president? A lame duck verifying the next worshipful master?

I think that he should produce all the legal documents that other presidents and candidates have historically produced without futher dispute. Even if he presents all those documents now I'm not sure anybody who questions his presidential legitamacy will ever be able to accept any documents as valid regardless of what forensics professionals might say. I used to be gullible and naive, but in the past 10 years don't know who or what to believe.

What they really should have done was call their minders at “the Home” and tell them they had gotten loose again. What's that? They were kicked out because they had no insurance! Nevermind…

What they really should have done was call their minders at “the Home” and tell them they had gotten loose again. What's that? They were kicked out because they had no insurance! Nevermind…