David Bomford Talks About the Forgers Who Used His Birth Certificate to Smear Obama

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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 at 10:36 am

PM, a series on the Australian Broadcast Channel, tracked down David Bomford, the man whose Australian birth certificate was used as the basis for the forged “Obama Kenyan birth certificate” that Orly Taitz posted online Sunday.

The key bit of the interview:

DINA ROSENDORFF: Looking over the documents in question Mr Bomford still can’t quite believe his eyes.

DAVID JEFFREY BOMFORD: It’s little old me and my mum and everything else up there. Oh I definitely confirm that the birth certificate was mine. That was quite easy to see – my address, even the style of the birth certificate was an old South Australian one.

So it’s quite easy to identify that it’s mine.

DINA ROSENDORFF: And looking at the fake Kenyan birth certificate what do you make of it?

DAVID JEFFREY BOMFORD: It’s definitely a copy of my certificate. It’s so laughable it’s ridiculous.

Adam Serwer asks whether this could be the end of the “birther” movement. That seems unlikely, but it’s at least as dangerous to their movement as the fake documents in the 2004 CBS News story on George W. Bush’s service in the Texas Air National Guard was to liberals and Democrats who wanted to prove that Bush skipped out on his duties. Orly Taitz, in particular, has stopped being an amusing curiosity, and become a scandalous figure even inside the birther movement who submitted fraudulent documents to courts of law.

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Constitutionalist
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

As the man says, it's amazing what can be done digitally on the web.

Just strengthens the argument that Obama needs to release his original birth certificate!


Xavier
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

The burden of proof lies with the accuser, not the accused.

Obama needs to prove nothing, the birthers need to present evidence that Obama is not a natural born citizen, and so far the strongest thing birthers have is a document that has been revealed to be a joke.

And if birthers fell for this fake document, why would they believe Obama if he released every document he had?


jamesmseidel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

Does Obama have proof of his U.S. Citizenship? Let him reveal the truth. I am older than the Lord Obama. I have a birth certificate. Shouldn't the all wise Obama have a Birth Cirtificate also?
What Passport did he use when he went to Pakistan back in the '70's or '80's? He had to have a birth certificate to receive a passport.
Obama was a citizen of Indonesia, did he get documented coming through immigration in Hawaii? How does he explain being a citizen of 2 countries? This would disqualify him from being president no matter where he was born.


Jason
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Do you have proof that you are NOT some sort of space alien disguising yourself as a human being with technology that is light years ahead of ours? Technology so advanced that everything about you appears to be human?

I am now placing the burden of proof on you to do so! From now on jamesmseidel will forever be known as a space alien until he can provide proof that he was created from a sperm cell and an egg. A videotape should do.


Melanie Mink
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Give over, wingnut!


JNAS
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

BIRTH CERTIFICATE DOES NOT MATTER

Citizen does NOT = Natural born citizen
It is in the Constitution only to set the bar for future Presidents

Scotus has referred to it in Minor vs Happersett and clearly said that a natural born citizen has parents who were citizens at time of child's birth plus born on US soil. Scotus also said that there are “doubts” as to the natural born citizenship of children born in the US but who have non-US parents, in this same case.

McCain (born on Panamanian soil) and Jindal (born to non US citizen parents at time of his birth) ARE BOTH NOT ELIGIBLE EITHER!

Wong Kim Ark and the 14th amendment, refer ONLY to “citizens” or “native citizens” but NOT natural born citizens.

Wake up America and realize we are being hookwinked by BOTH major parties. BO just happened to win this election but it was fraud since he knew he wasn't eligible.

http://www.naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

Take the time to educate yourselves here and check out the facts yourself.
Thanks.


Steviey99
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Are you people really that insane? President Obama has already provided his damn birth certificate.

According to every rational analysis(factcheck, AP, Hawaii Governor, every major news outlet) there is NO question that President Obama was born in Hawaii and his birth certificate(that HE provided over a year and a half ago) is authentic.

There is NO question. There is NO conspiracy. Only a few lunatics that will never be satisfied. Count yourself among those loons.

The rest of us, conservatives, liberals and moderates, are rolling our collective eyes and laughing at your insanity.


JNAS
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

Some enlightening info about where this alleged Australian BC came from:

Bomford.net is owned by Richard Bamford who is involved in high level fraud in Australia. He is an expert in GIS systems; digital mapping and imaging programs.
.
Can we say fraud anyone?


A
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

Wow, these birthers will simply NEVER learn.


A
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

Oh, and JNAS, you are a maroon.

pathetic.


Joe
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Apparently you are incapable of reading. Minor v. Happersett said that children of citizens born elsewhere are natural born citizens. Thus McCain qualifies. It also said that many authorities stretch that definition to include children of two non-citizens who were born here. The case was not about that so the Court said it need not answer that, so Minor v. Happersett doesn't prove anything other than you, or the blogger you got it from, are incapable of reading carefully. Look at Rogers v. Bellei or heck any case dealing with natural born citizenship language. Really look at the naturalization laws. Per statutory construction any child born to an American mother and a father who has at least been a resident of the U.S. is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN regardless of where he or she was born. That's the ironic part of this whole birther movement. It's all irrelevant. Even if he was born in Africa, his mother was a citizen and his father was at least a resident of Hawaii, so Obama would still be a natural born citizen. Why would he need to hide something that doesn't even matter. He taught Con Law, he, unlike you, can read. He would know there would be nothing for him to hide even if his mother inexplicably decided to run off to some tiny ass village to give birth. There was no motive to lie. He's a natural born citizen no matter what.


wow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

wow, the freepers are now stating that the Australian BC is the fake, planted to discredit the Kenyan BC…

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307402/…


oh really
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

“…Obama needs to release his original birth certificate!”

No he doesn't.

Obama doesn't need to do anything more than he's already done.

He managed to satisfy the State Department when he got his first passport.

The State of Hawaii has made it clear Obama was born in Hawaii.

There is nothing in the “long form” birth certificate that you have any right to demand. The name of the attending physician is no more relevant than is the color of the socks he was wearing on August 4, 1961. Birthers are desperate and cling to the hope that there might be something in the long form birth certificate that could be used in some unspecified way against Obama.

What you (as a birther) don't understand is that Obama has fulfilled his legal obligations and has no obligation whatever to satisfy the ravings of the insane and/or stupid.


jamesmseidel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

The mother of B.H.O. was too young to transfer citizenship. The paternal Father was a citizen of a country other than The United States. Obama was legally an adopted son of a man named Soetorro(sp) while living in Indonesia. A President of the United States of America can not be a citizen of two countries. Barry took the bar exam in Illinois. He had to state any other names he went by. Did he mention the name Barry Soetorro (sp).
No matter what, we will have a bogus president. Who nominates these idiots?


jamesmseidel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

I refuse to drink your “Kool Aid.”


captainsteve
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

It's no surprise that Hillary Clinton is in Kenya today to reinforce the cover-up.

I don't trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media. I still want answers. Obummer, put up or get out!!!! All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding? and most disturbingly, why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!


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Jim
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

The only fraud here, JNAS, is being perpetuated by you and the rest of the birthers. Can't stand it when someone proves you wrong? Just make up lies…just like you have throughout this process. Prove that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. But, since you can't, the rest of the world must be all together in a massive cover-up. Please, step away from your computer and go get some sunshine…it will help until your meds kick in.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

It's no surprise that Hillary Clinton is in Kenya today to reinforce the cover-up.

The conspiracy deepens (it always does)!

I don't trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media. I still want answers.

You would never believe anything except whatever nutter conspiracy theories support your deranged delusions. So why should anyone even try to convince you?

All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

Why should the president submit to the irrational demands of crazy people? That would be a mistake. Ignoring your dumb asses is the right move.

That's it. Issue over.

The issue will never be over for you nutballs. No amount of evidence will ever convince you. There's no point in trying.

But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding? and most disturbingly, why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

We already know the truth. Barack Obama is president and you are a crazy ass birther.


Steviey99
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

The mother of B.H.O. was too young to transfer citizenship

You are a moron. Period.


Constitutionalist
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

…”President Obama has already provided his damn birth certificate.”

Damn! This could be the biggest news item in months. Obama has been fighting this release for two years!

Everyone who has been following this issue *carefully* is aware that Obama has provided a “Certification of LIve Birth.” However, everyone is looking for his “Birth Certificate.” (Please the note the difference!)

I'd love to see a link to his “Birth Certificate!” (There are already lots of links to his COLB, so no substitues please.)

Please provide this immediately so that we can move on!


LeoRugiens
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

BARRY SOETORO aka BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
IS A
USURPER

He is not eligible to be
President of the United States
because he is not a Natural Born Citizen
as required by Article Two, Section One, Clause Five of the United States Constitution.

This is a fact REGARDLESS of
where he was born (Mombassa, Hawaii, Chicago, Mecca or Mars).

He is not eligible
because he was not born of
TWO PARENTS
BOTH OF WHOM WERE UNITED STATES CITIZENS
AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH
as required by the Constitution.

His father, who did not live in the United States for more than a couple of years, was a subject/ciitizen
of Kenya/Great Britain at the time of Barack’s birth and afterwards, AND further, as Barack himself admitted on his website during the 2008 campaign, Barack was therefore born SUBJECT TO THE GOVERNANCE OF GREAT BRITAIN.

Here is a direct quote from Obama's “Fight the Smears/Fact Check” 2008 website:

‘When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…’ “

The FACT that he was not born of TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS is all that matters. The question of his birth certificate is a distraction (a distraction fostered by Obama’s supporters?) that ought not to occupy our time and resources.

Also, it is possible that he is not a United States
citizen at all through his mother if he was born in Kenya, as three witnesses have testified. The reason is because his mother could not pass her US citizenship on to her son because she did not live continuously in the United States for five full years after her fourteenth birthday as required by the US immigration law in effect during that period of time.

Check it out:
http://www.TheObamaFile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm
Also, an excellent introductory primer on Obama Presiidential Eligibility is to be found at:
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

His usurpation can only be corrected (1) by Congress through his Impeachment and Removal [something which will never happen in a Congress controlled by Pelosi/Reid], or (2) it can be
corrected by his resignation, which could happen if the public presssure on him to resign becomes great enough, or (3) by his removal by the United States Supreme Court affirming a Quo Warranto decision of the United States Federal District Court for the District of Columbia [which process Attorney General Eric Holder would never allow to even begin] or (4) by an amendment to the Constitution,
which will never happen because that again would require the agreement of a Congress controlled by Pelosi/Reid.
_

HERE IS THE QUESTION WHICH EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN SHOULD BE ASKING HIS OR HER CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS

“During the 2008 election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was ‘governed’ by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell me, and the American people, how a person governed – at birth – by British law, can be a natural born citizen of the United States and thus constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States?”


- Leo Rugiens


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

All of these presidents had one or more foreign parents:

Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson
James Buchanan
Chester A. Arthur
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover
Barack Obama

You're an idiot, Leo.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Damn! This could be the biggest news item in months. Obama has been fighting this release for two years!

No, he released it last year, dumbass.

Everyone who has been following this issue *carefully* is aware that Obama has provided a “Certification of LIve Birth.” However, everyone is looking for his “Birth Certificate.” (Please the note the difference!)

Semantic games don't help your argument, moron. The state issues one type of certificate. Obama got it, and released it. It's good enough for every court in the land.

I'd love to see a link to his “Birth Certificate!” (There are already lots of links to his COLB, so no substitues please.)

They are one in the same, idiot.

Please provide this immediately so that we can move on!

Deluded paranoiacs never move on.


Steviey99
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

He is not eligible
because he was not born of
TWO PARENTS
BOTH OF WHOM WERE UNITED STATES CITIZENS
AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH
as required by the Constitution.

LOL!!!

Hey genius, there have been SEVEN Presidents with only one parent who was born an American Citizen.

Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson
James Buchanan
Chester A. Arthur
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover
Barack Obama

You are beyond a fool, and all of you 'birthers' are completely insane.

I hope you hyperventilate the next 7.5 years while President Obama completes his time in Office. lol


zippora
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

Okay Leo aka Orly…..don't let the FACTS change you're mind. SO to the rest of us who aren't wearing tin hats, let's stop wasting your energy trying to present these irrational folks with the facts and call them what they really are: RACIST. This is a RACIST movement, perpetuated by RACIST individuals who would never dare to ask a white president for their birth certificate.


handypants
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

Every bit of evidence and proof that comes out now only serves to confirm their greatest fears of the depth and breath of the conspiracy.


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

Coming Soon: Attack of the Broken Records!! (well, we are talking the 1960's,right?)
Show us the long form…


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

FAIL!


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

You've obviously got your own. Hey!


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

He got us. A link to dead/non existent website proves it.
Damn, I thought we'd gotten away with it. Better start getting the mexican/chinese/arab kid ready for the next time in 2048…


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

He got us. A link to a dead/non existent website proves it. Obama's a Kenyan…
Damn, I thought we got away with it this time. Well, better start getting the mexican/chinese/arab kid ready for the next time in 2048…


gimmeabreak
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

My jaw and pointer fingers ache from pointing and laughing at these birfer idjits.


Sisi
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

“The reason is because his mother could not pass her US citizenship on to her son because she did not live continuously in the United States for five full years after her fourteenth birthday as required by the US immigration law in effect during that period of time.”

Don't be a bigger fool than the good lord made you, sonny. You aren't interested in facts; you are just a racist performing mental gymnastics because you can't handle the truth. {happy dance}

Facts for the hell of it:

My grandmother was just 18 when my oldest uncle was born in 1922, and he is a natural-born US citizen, as am I, born on 1961 to a foreign medical student and a US citizen in the great state of Washington. The extra provisions cited are meant only to apply to a person born outside the US (as I would have been if my mother had gone back to be with her dying father) or whose parents had not been married (as was the case for my adopted cousin, who is a natural-born citizen with an option he chooses not to exercise to be Korean as well). They are not intended to be simultaneous and exclusionary.

1) Forget patriarchy; the status of the father is not the deciding factor (and hasn't been for centuries).
2) Only one need apply: born in the USA, including Trust Territories (Guam, Panama, etc.) military bases, and technically embassy grounds; one parent regardless of gender identity with US citizenship. These were retroactively sorted by Acts in 1937 and 1967. Note: Yaser Esam Hamdi got out of Gitmo because he was born in Louisiana to Saudi parents.
3) The US did not recognize dual citizenship until recently, and required naturalized citizens to renounce their original citizenship. My mother renounced her original nationality when she became a naturalized UC citizen shortly before my sibling was born. However, other countries were free (yes, free) to acknowledge dual nationality (e.g., Israel). Recently Americans have been allowed to apply for or reinstate other nationalities. I have a friend who recently acquired a German passport, which he finds useful for his part-time residence in Europe. It means he can work and own property and saves some bureaucratic hassle. Even my mother can file to regain her old citizenship, which she is considering because the old country provides 100% health coverage for senior citizens instead of death-by-spreadsheet.

I am a natural-born US citizen because I was born in WA, and if my mother had given birth to me in her parents' house, I would still be a natural-born citizen because of my father. If the situation had been reversed, I would still be covered. Interestingly, if my parents had filed the paperwork when I was born, I would *also* be a citizen of my mother's original country regardless of where I was born or my father's status. But they didn't do so because they couldn't foresee a time when I might benefit from that arrangement (sigh).


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

'Article Two, Section One, Clause Five of the United States Constitution' states:

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”

What constitution are you (mis)reading?

And, I love that “his father was a British subject, therefore…” nonsense. Truthiness all wrapped up in nutty goodness. Ummmm, good cracker.


Sisi
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

EPIC FAIL!

The residency requirement only applies to *naturalized citizens*: e.g., one of my cousins, who became a naturalized citizen at the age of ten, could have transmitted US citizenship at the age of 19 if he had been too lazy/dumb to use birth control while backpacking in Europe.

So, do you believe than JFK Jr. was and Caroline Kennedy is Greek because Onassis was briefly their stepfather? (Have I just created a new CT?)

Face it, many if not most non-white Americans are better than you. Improve yourself or get over it.


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Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

I can not argue with such an intelligent imbecile.


Marko
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

It's true that Obama has met all the legal requirements to be inaugurated into the office of President of the United States. No doubt about it, because it happened.

Why should me meet extra-ordinary requirements (that we all know will never be conceeded. Even if he had a time machine and took you all back in time to watch his birth you'd find some new cheap excuse to attempt to refute the event.)


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

No Leo, the ONLY question that needs to be asked is “When are you going to stop hating this Country and move on to a place where only half wits like yourself are allowed?”

Seriously! Get a life and stop with the racist diatribes and irrational ranting! Guarantee you woul dnot be doing this with respect to McCain even though he was ACTUALLY born outside the U.S. in the Panama Canal Zone! Sh-t, I myself was born in Germany as a Military Brat, so technically Obama is more citizen than me.

BTW, the Supreme Court of Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas, the most Conservative block in a Court in our History, DECLINED WITHOUT COMMENT to hear a case concerning Obama's birth origin in December!!

So now you posture yourself to be more intelligent and informed than these 4 Justices of the Supreme Court?

Put the tinfoil hat back on…


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GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Millions Capt. Steve??? PLEASE! If there are Millions that believe your whacked out Conspiracy Theory, then there is absolute substance in the statement that the United States is loaded with idiots!

Bet you still beleive there are WMD's!


Tyke
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

My Missouri birth certificate that was good enough to be what the Army used for security clearances and to get me a passport says at the top “Certificate of Live Birth”.

It's what MANY states call their birth certificates and have for decades!


Tyke
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

what color is your unicorn?


0whole1
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

The most persuasive part of this post? The capital letters. That's why I dig the Health Insurance Reform teabaggers so much — all capital letters, all the time. Nothing screams well-thought-out ripostes like screaming.

However, this particular post is quite amusing because it encapsulates the birthers basic Catch-22. You get their base presupposition:

> I don't trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media.

Combined with their cry in the wilderness:

> I still want answers.

Pray tell, if you don't trust any politicians, will ANY amount of evidence ever be enough?

Hey look — I used capital letters too! Yay!


jamesmseidel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Your question has no answer known to me as I have never seen a unicorn.  I will spam your address as I refuse to correspond with sodomites…


bonniedalzell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

Reality is a crutch for people who do not have access to a copy of Photoshop


markfromla
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

Did anyone notice that at the end of his long spam post forwarding the ad for the stupid birther movie about the Obama “birth controversy” (and identifying Jerome Corsi, Orly Taitz and others as “experts”), birther James Seidel included his real email address? james_seidel@yahoo.com

Now, I'm not advocating that this loony fellow be signed up to receive different sorts of emails from the Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Greenpeace, MoveOn, or anything like that, but . . . could at least get a bit of revenge for having to read his inane rants.


ecgordon
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:39 am

David, it's a small point, but there is no such thing as the Australian Broadcast Channel. It's the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, which is the national, government funded broadcast network. That is, it's the Australian version of the BBC, with similar legislative mandates regarding objectivity and accountability.


Tyke
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:18 am

Unusual answer. Do sodomites normally ask you about unicorns???

Just trying to point out that the entire basis of your post is just as real as unicorns are, so it is natural that I would wonder what color your other imaginary beasty is?


jamesmseidel
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:58 am

That was very cleaver.  I have never met a sodomite, nor have I ever met a unicorn.  It was from your agonizingly liberal questions and answers that put sodomite with a unicorn together for an obvious reason.

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“If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.” ~Ronald Reagan~ Born 6 February 1911 Birthplace: Tampico, Illinois Died: 5 June 2004
“Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.”
~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“When the Government fears the People, you have Liberty. When People fear the Government, you have Tyranny. ~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” ~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.” ~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“Our country is in danger, but not to be despaired of. Our enemies are numerous and powerful; but we have many friends, determining to be free, and heaven and earth will aid the resolution. On you depend the fortunes of America. You are to decide the important question, on which rest the happiness and liberty of millions yet unborn. Act worthy of yourselves.” –Joseph Warren (1775)
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quark
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:28 am

Obviously, unicorns are the least of your problems.


jamesmseidel
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:24 am

Like the unicorn, it is my wish that liberals will be extinct.

Trust in Satan and you might receive some temporary pleasure before going to your Hell. Trust in a Lawyer and you will go Straight to Hell. (Anonymous)

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“If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.” ~Ronald Reagan~ Born 6 February 1911 Birthplace: Tampico, Illinois Died: 5 June 2004
“Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.”
~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“When the Government fears the People, you have Liberty. When People fear the Government, you have Tyranny. ~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” ~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.” ~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“Our country is in danger, but not to be despaired of. Our enemies are numerous and powerful; but we have many friends, determining to be free, and heaven and earth will aid the resolution. On you depend the fortunes of America. You are to decide the important question, on which rest the happiness and liberty of millions yet unborn. Act worthy of yourselves.” –Joseph Warren (1775)
“If we are not governed by God, then we will be ruled by tyrants.” William Penn (1644-1718)


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BORN IN THE USA?
Fax blast asking states to investigate eligibility
Campaign seeks audit by attorneys general of election documentation

Posted: July 27, 2009
10:37 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

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Just as Barack Obama's Aug. 4 birthday is approaching, a law firm handling one of the legal challenges to his eligibility to be president is arranging for a fax blast to attorneys general in all 50 states pointing out their obligation to investigate possible perjury during the 2008 election.
The campaign is being run by Gary Kreep and the United States Justice Foundation, which is handling a lawsuit against Obama on behalf of former Ambassador Alan Keyes.
The fax messages cite evidence that suggests Obama may have been born in what now is Kenya.
“But the United States Constitution clearly says only a 'natural born citizen' may be elected president,” the message states. “I hope and pray that you will do your duty by fully investigating whether Barack Obama committed perjury, or violated another state law … by falsely claiming that he was constitutionally eligible to serve as president of the United States!”
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“Your duty as state attorney general requires you to fully and faithfully enforce the laws of [your state]. If Barack Obama did indeed falsify his nomination papers – as appears likely, he must be brought to account. …”
The organization said in its promotion that according to published reports, “Barack Obama's legal team has been paid over one million dollars, so far, to stop anyone from seeing any of his actual identification documents, or many other documents.”
Want to turn up the pressure to learn the facts? Get your signs and postcards asking for the president's birth certificate documentation here.
Its case, which is pending on appeal, originally sought to obtain Obama's records from California's Occidental College.
“The issue of the Occidental College records is especially pertinent. The United States Justice Foundation served officials at Occidental College with a subpoena to produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the 1980's, because those records could document whether he was attending as a foreign national,” the report said.
“You see, Mr. Obama attended the school on a scholarship – and there are questions as to whether the financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. The Obama attorneys have bent over backward to block us. He doesn't want anyone to see those records. He's still trying to hide them; those financial records still have not been released.”
But those records are far from all of the documentation that has been withheld. Besides the original birth certificate for Obama, unavailable documentation includes his passport files, his articles at the University of Chicago law school, Harvard Law Review articles, Harvard Law School records, Columbia University records, Columbia University senior thesis, Punahou school records, elementary records, files and schedules for his work as an Illinois state senator, his client list, Illinois State Bar records, baptism records, marriage records for his parents, divorce records for his parents, records of his mother's second marriage and records of any adoption by his stepfather.
“What is Barack Obama trying to hide? What is he afraid of? Why doesn't he just release these documents to prove that he is a natural-born citizen and, therefore, qualified to serve as president — epecially his actual birth certificate?” the USJF asked.
“Isn't it time we forced him to come clean? His 'birthday' is the perfect time to do it.”
The organization's lawsuit on behalf of Keyes challenges Obama's eligibility to be on the ballot in California.
Among the pieces of information that raise questions about his eligibility are his refusal to release his birth certificate, conflicting claims by his half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, about which hospital he was born in, and his own contradictions regarding that facility.
Further, it was suspicious that law enforcement officers were posted at two Honolulu hospitals to prevent reporters from trying to obtain information about his birth, and a telephone conversation with his step-grandmother contains an allegation she was present at his birth in Kenya.
“The evidence demands that Barack Obama answer why he has been hiding the truth from the American people about his eligibility to run for, and serve as, president!” the USJF said.

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The fax campaign targets the specific paperwork political candidates file in each state to be on the ballot. Most, if not all, he explained, include an affirmation that the candidate is eligible to hold the office.
“If he falsely filed those papers, that's perjury,” Kreep said. “It is a criminal act and should be prosecuted.”
WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a “natural born citizen.” The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.
Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
Further, others question his citizenship by virtue of his attendance in Indonesian schools during his childhood and question on what passport did he travel to Pakistan three decades ago.
Adding fuel to the fire is Obama's persistent refusal to release documents that could provide answers. While his supporters cite an online version of a “Certification of Live Birth” from Hawaii, critics point out such documents actually were issued for children not born in the state.

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Alan Keyes launches 'Liberty' blog
Republican senator says Snopes settled 'eligibility'
Senator: Eligibility is up to the voters
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More challenges fail in Supreme Court
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Status report: The eligibility issue
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“If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.” ~Ronald Reagan~ Born 6 February 1911 Birthplace: Tampico, Illinois Died: 5 June 2004
“Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.”
~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
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~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
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~Thomas Jefferson~ April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826
“Our country is in danger, but not to be despaired of. Our enemies are numerous and powerful; but we have many friends, determining to be free, and heaven and earth will aid the resolution. On you depend the fortunes of America. You are to decide the important question, on which rest the happiness and liberty of millions yet unborn. Act worthy of yourselves.” –Joseph Warren (1775)
“If we are not governed by God, then we will be ruled by tyrants.” William Penn (1644-1718)


Tyke
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:00 am

“That was very cleaver”

… Eldridge Cleaver?

is your soul on ice?

Perhaps you are trying to tell us that your unicorn is black?

… or maybe that you’re just an incoherent fool.

Ah, I see below that you are a supporter of bat sh*t crazy Alan Keyes. Now THERE’S a black unicorn for you!

… but you’re still an incoherent fool.

.


thepoliticalcat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:49 am

Considering that several Presidents of this country have had at least one parent who was a British subject, and that this trenchant fact did not prevent them from holding office, one can only wonder what the Birfers use for brainz.


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:49 am

Have you never seen a birth certificate with only the mother's name on it? Single mothers often leave any father's name off it. The birth certificate is fully valid for every purpose the offspring needs it for.

Leo:

Give it up. You don't know the law, you don't know the US Constitution. Rather than rant about the obvious point that President Obama is a legally qualified, duly elected President, you might actually READ the Constitution. (And, do you think there's any way the Clinton campaign would just have “forgotten” to check out he issue. That would have ended the campaign right there.)

PS: Every child has a mother, whether or not a father is known is secondary. That is why the Jewish community, and many others, trace lineage through the MOTHER, because there's no question who the mother is.

Give it up, folks.

Pr Chris


RedGraham
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:52 am

Fake BCs & COLBs do not change the actual location of Obama's birth or that he was a dual-citizen before he became Indonesian. His adoption and namechange were beyond the juvenile Soetoro's control. Stannie didn't want the kid home all day and he had to be Indonesian for the school system to babysit him. Giving birth in Kenya, at least two uncircumcised third-world sex-partners, no wonder Stannie died of ovarian cancer. If the Usurper resigns now his presidency, appointments, etc. might not get nullified. He should grant Bill Clinton a full pardon for his perjury conviction and all the other crimes he was accused of.


thepoliticalcat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:52 am

Um, what about George Washington?


thepoliticalcat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:55 am

Poor idiot. If President Obama does that, he sets a horrible precedent. Anybody can then file suit to see YOUR records. Constitutional protections of privacy (the basis for Roe v. Wade) only allow such dissemination of information where the party requesting it can show an overriding interest in such information. In other words, your need to see it must be greater than the Constitution's protections against it. Your right to view President Obama's personal information has absolutely NO bearing on his qualification to hold office. So saith the Courts of this country. We are a country of laws, not men. Perhaps you should consider moving to Afghanistan.


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:07 am

In this video, you will hear from four experts on the subject: Dr. Jerome Corsi

“Dr” Jerome Corsi is not an expert on anything. Where he got his “doctorate” is from is questionable. All you have to do is read anything he has written. It is replete with errors of fact, sleezy attributions, and in general, would get a failing grade on ANY sort of thesis committee. Corsi is worthless as a support for anything.

And Orly Taitz is full of histrionics…and cannot construct a logical statement. Just listen to her. She just stammers and demands everyone else to shut up while she goes on to spout her senseless accusations.

Give it up!

Pr chris


captainsteve
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:39 am

I'll tell the FAA that next time they show up in the cockpit for a route check. I'm sure they'll be very impressed with your pathetic logic. If all Americans are as pathetic as you, we are doomed.

Check this out moron. . . when you apply for a job, you don't have privacy to the information that qualifies you for the job.

You should win an award for stupid!


valdemar
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:40 am

As a goddam furriner, I find all this hilarious and horrifying at the same time. The world is – once again – laughing at the 'real America', while heaving a sigh of relief that its heroes are no longer in the White House. As for the birfers – he's not going to stop being black, so maybe you should stop being stupid?


The Right Side of Life » Certifigate: Obama Kenyan BR Images: Taitz, Corsi Speak; Response to Critics, Farah Promises More
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[...] (used to forge the infamous “Kenyan birth certificate”) is itself a forgery, despite David Bomford’s acknowledgment that it’s real, and despite the failure of anyone responsible for the “Kenyan” certificate to come forward. [...]


danielhines
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:07 pm

You are completely incorrect…being born in the U.S. of a U.S. makes him a citizen. If we did not know who his Father was, would that put him in limbo…where in the constitution does it say that both parents must be U.S. citizens? No rants, pls. Just refer me to the language…it says ” No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.” He was natural born in this country….You poor idiot….by being born in the U.S. he was governed by American law, not British law…give it a rest..


quark
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

Hmmm – by your reply I assume you are very, very busy chasing your unicorn FLOATing in the ever changing North-West-South WiND

Please say Hi to Alan Keyes for me. I hope he runs for the Republican Presidential nomination again. he’s just soooooo much fun!

{see jamesmseidel’s incoherent gobbledygook below}


jamesmseidel
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

What are the supporting facts?  Research data on these statements?  Now you can understand my “Kool Aid”  comment.  Stop drinking that shit and wake up.  Obama is destroying Our country.  Do some research of your own.  Stop listening to demoncratic talking points.
   Please don't bother answering until your head clears.
     Thank you, and be well.


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

James:

You say: In this video, you will hear from four experts on the subject: Dr. Jerome Corsi, author of the New York Times No. 1 bestseller “The Obama Nation”; Orly Taitz, the Southern California lawyer who has led the legal fight to secure the evidence of Barack Obama's eligibility; Alan Keyes, a third-party presidential candidate in 2008 and the man who challenged Obama for the Illinois U.S. Senate seat that served as a springboard to his presidential ambitions; and Janet Porter

Well, let's see. I actually READ Corsi's book on Obama. My comment comes from reading as many pages as I could stomach. It is pure trash. And for a researcher, he obviously couldn't research the requirements to hawk his book in Kenya, I think it was, were he was arrested a few months ago for not having a work permit…Any author who HAS to put his “Title” on the front of all his books, says something very deep about his level of competence. How many books did he sell 'cause they were good, and how many because someone saw “Dr” in front of his name? Online doctorates may not be cheap, but if you got the money, they are usually easy to obtain.

Allen Keyes..yea a perpetual “candidate” who cannot marshal any facts,just repeats his same talking points. Janet Porter…aside form her dubious position as one of the enablers of this “birther” crap…what's she done? Oh, and Orly Taitz. Did you watch MSNBC? It would have been funny…but she is getting people like you to believe her “facts.” She definitely could benefit from some tranquilizers to help her get herself under control….

A natural born citizen is born of ONE parent, not two. The way one established citizenship in the case of a birth certificate not being filed at the time of birth was for the person him/her self as an adult, to request it, or one or both of his parents. In any case,they needed contempranious documents…such things as newspaper announcements, other “public documents” etc. In many states of the US, not just Hawaii, one can establish citizenship and birth this way, as well. With baptismal certificates, family record bibles, to name just two. Birth certificates have not been NEARLY universal since the last half of the 20th century. And even among African Americans born in the rural South, were sometimes not issued at all. Especially if they were born at home.

1. I don't work from Democratic talking points.
2. I do a heck of a lot more research, probably than you do, every day. Only my research is not from “drink the kool-aid” sites. I use newspapers, state records, television posts, academic sites, etc. If you still believe the birthers at this date, you are not able to properly evaluate what you read.

So, again. What are YOUR supporting facts that President Obama was NOT born in Hawaii? The one statement from his grandmother, who recanted, as a COMPLETE tape of the interview will show. You have NOTHING else. So, again, what are your facts? Research to back them up.

Some on, get a life.

Pr Chris


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

Everyone who has been following this issue *carefully* is aware that Obama has provided a “Certification of LIve Birth.” However, everyone is looking for his “Birth Certificate.” (Please the note the difference!)

President Obama has provided a copy of his birth certificate. He cannot provide the actual paper original, because that is sealed under Hawaiian state law, in the Department of Health. The director of the Department has verified…AGAIN…that she has seen the original. Over 200,000 hits on the web, including USAToday, ABC, Honolulu Advisor, etc. Here's the lead paragraph from USA Today on the subject:

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives:

That would be Monday, about a week ago.

Pr Chris


TEXGIRL
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

IT IS SIMPLE: THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT REQUIRE, ANYWHERE, NOR DOES ANY OTHER LAW, THAT TO BE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, BOTH OF YOUR PARENTS MUST BE AMERICAN CITIZENS. EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY KNEW THAT OBAMA'S FATHER WAS BORN IN KENYA FROM THE DAY HE FIRST SPOKE BEFORE THE DEM. NAT'L CONVENTION AND CAME ON THE NAT'L STAGE. HE NEVER MADE A SECRET OF IT. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT HE WAS BORN IN THE USA, OR THAT HIS MOTHER WAS AMERICAN. ILLEGALS COME HERE ALL THE TIME, HAVE CHILDREN & THE CHILDREN ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS — EVEN THO NEITHER PARENT IS. AND, THE OBAMA SITE EXPLAINED THAT OBAMA'S father's BIRTH PLACE WAS GOVERNED BY BRITISH LAW.


MARK
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 2:34 am

———–AUSTRALIAN BIRTH CERT PROVEN TO BE A FAKE ONE——–
This guy David Bomford is a TOTAL FRAUD !
1) His website is down – bomford.net
2) South Australian birth certificates don't look anything like a Kenyan one !
3) The seal at the top of the page is cut off so you can't see it very good. This is not the seal of the South Australia at that time. Funny !
4) Here is what a real Australian Birth Cert really looks like: see link below !
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2308687/posts

THAT MEANS SOMEONE CHANGED THE KENYAN BIRTH CERT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ITS REALLY AN AUSTRALIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE. OBAMA SUPPORTERS WILL GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO PROTECT THE FRAUD AGAINST AMERICA !

Note: I posted this before and it was removed. So much for credibility ! That's jsut dishonest


Peter
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:08 am

These nut jobs truely amaze me. Why are they so apposed to a black president? And to forge a birth certificate from a still living citizen is just stupid.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:20 am

Well, it's getting out in the drive-by media now.

From David Hahn, “Publisher StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

But, here is the issue:

The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of our country. Article II of the Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen. Without reciting them here, there appears to be some serious questions raised about whether President Obama was born in the United States or Kenya. We have not checked sources, but there are reports that some witnessed his birth in Kenya.

The President's campaign staff and then his administration have released and placed on the internet a “Certificate of Live Birth.” We do not dispute the validity or correctness of that document as others have tried to do, suggesting the use of computers to alter seals and names. By releasing this document the President agrees that the claims about his status as a natural born citizen is an open, important, public issue.

But, this “Certificate of Live Birth” is simply not the best evidence that the President and his administration could offer to lay to rest any doubt about his status as a natural born citizen.

Barack Obama is a lawyer and a graduate of Harvard Law School. All law students study the body of law we call “Evidence.” One of the core tenets of American law is the “best evidence rule” which requires the production of original, or certified copies, of original document to prove a fact. Abstracts and summaries are not original documents.

The President has offered an abstract (Certificate) of his birth, but not an original birth certificate which would be the best evidence of his birth. We need the best evidence so that it can do what the best evidence is meant to do; dispel the doubts about a fact. We need to see the Birth Certificate. That's the one that is often handwritten and signed by the doctor.

Lawyers and legal thinkers will, obviously, argue the finer points of the “Best Evidence Rule” and its applicability to this matter. But, that misses the point. The notion of “Best Evidence” is solidly-grounded in law. This is an important public matter and it seems now that the President has started down the path of offering some evidence (Certificate of Live Birth), he should offer the “best evidence” (Original Birth Certificate) which is the source document for his birth. The document behind the document which has been released. This is what is needed now in the court of public knowledge.

The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.

I guess there are some things that not even a journalism school graduate can stomach.


MARK
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

I AM PREYY SURE ORLY TAITZ IS GOING TO SUE YOUR FUCKING ASS OFF FOR SAYING SHE FILED FRAUDULENT DOCUMENTS TO A COURT AND YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE AT ALL. JUST WHAT SOME LIAR SAID !

YOU ARE A LYING MOTHER FUCKER, PC OF SHIT !


talkischeap
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

Ha ha, Oily Taint wouldn't be taken serious in any court in the land Mark. Give it a go, though. I thoroughly enjoy mocking everything you oxygen thieves do!


talkischeap
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

What a laughable comparison, as if anyone gives a shit about you.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Tuci, you loveable little Paulbot moron, an opinion column in a web-only college newspaper is the best you can come up with?


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Ladies and gentlemen, the quintessential birther. ^^


B K
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

“The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of our country…” Agreed. Can we also agree that the previous administration must be held to that very same standard regarding torture and other crimes against humanity?


talkischeap
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

I think the story emerging about Oily Taints involvement as an informant for the KGB is fascinating. Perhaps her misguided efforts are part of some attempt to remedy the demons from her past.

But ratting out your neighbors to the Soviets cannot be undone.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:48 am

Goddam right. Let's go after 'em. I wouldn't mind seeing Dubbya sitting in the cell right next to Barry, once we get 'em both into Leavenworth for the rest of their miserable lives.

Or… Oh. Were you mistaking me for a Republican, doofus?

Ennkh! (noisy buzzer sound). Got it wrong, beaky.


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:28 am

I'm quite impressed with your intelligence, and the savage thrust of your rapier wit…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:37 am

Leo, you must be a special kind of stupid, the same kind of stupid as Orly Taitz… being a “natural born citizen” does NOT require that both your parents be American citizens…

ALL it requires is that one of your parents was an American citizen… obviously, we've all known all along that Obama's daddy was not an American citizen, he has freely acknowledged as much all along… so if this disqualified him from running for President, he would have been sued long before election day…

There's this wonderful thing called logical thought, you should look into it…

The “natural born citizen” is meant simply to eliminate NATURALIZED citizens from running for the office… naturalized citizens are people who were once citizens of another nation, who renounced that citizenship to become US citizens (like Schwartzenegger)…

I defy you to show me where in the Constitution it defines a “natural born citizen” as one born of two American citizens… you made the bogus claim, not it's incumbent on you to back it up with FACTS…

Or stand revealed for all to see as the loud-mouthed know-nothing, the intellectual fraud, that you clearly are…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:42 am

ROTFLMAO… yeah, Hillary Clinton, who tried her damnedest to keep Barack Obama from getting into the White House, is now conspiring to keep him there…

You probably believed Dubya when he kept insisting that Saddam Hussein was a 9/11 coconspirator, in spite of the way bin Laden repeatedly financed Kurdish uprisings against ol' Saddam…

Don't EVER show these wingnuts your long form birth certificate, Obama; the more they rant, the more they alienate the moderates of this country, thus the more harm they do to the GOP… keep 'em foaming at the mouth…


RedGraham
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

So as it appears to have gone is that the birthers got punked by a set-up Kenyan-BC that no sooner was it presented to the public than some guy in Australia just happened to be ready to claim it was fake. Oh well, that still doesn't change where BHO was actually born and we still haven't seen the original BC which was almost for sure once on file in Hawaii. Fact probably is that after Barry Soetoro was adopted in Indonesia he never legally changed his name or citizenship to American. He did manage to get a passport to Pakistan in 1981 probably as an Indonesian. BHO attended three expensive colleges also as an Indonesian(or some other Foreign Student status). The Kenyan birth Grandma Obama claims to have witnessed is just a red-herring to throw us off the scent of the Indonesian citizenship. Let's see the college records & that original BC would still be nice to look at. We haven't made much progress but don't lose heart. Pray the truth is revealed soon before anymore damage is done.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 12:41 am

“Fact probably is that after Barry Soetoro was adopted in Indonesia he never legally changed his name or citizenship to American.”–RedGraham

Regardless of your made-up argument, parents cannot revoke a child's natural born citizenship in the US. Obama would have to renounce his US citizenship as an adult according to the actual case-law on the subject. Prove he did it and you are good as gold. Until then, you got nothing, but idle speculation. Good luck with that.

“So as it appears to have gone is that the birthers got punked by a set-up Kenyan-BC that no sooner was it presented to the public than some guy in Australia just happened to be ready to claim it was fake.”–RedGraham

Well it is just pure speculation on your part. Who cares at this point. It was your brightest hope and now…fizzle.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 12:43 am

I don't know. It's in all caps and a birther once told me that stuff in all caps on the internets is all true!


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 12:45 am

Your not a Republican or a Democrat, you are for the Tuci form of tyranny where popular elections can be dispensed with and replaced by the law of Tuci.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 12:47 am

So birthers aren't really stupid, it is all just a setup. Yet another thing that defies plausibility.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 12:58 am

The COLB is good enough to demonstrate natural born citizenship. Beyond that information, you do not know what you are talking about. The rest of the “long form” data is protected private information.

If the COLB is good enough to get a driver's license AND a passport, it is good enough to show qualification for presidential office. Obama has entertained the birthers to a greater degree than any other president. Enough is enough.


captainsteve
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 1:12 am

Not true, but don't feel bad, not much people think they know about obummer is true.

Here's some new evidence about his Fake Birth certificate and that Obama’s mother didn’t live at claimed address in Hawaii when obama was born.

The records from a Honolulu title search, obtained by WND, document 6085 Kalanianaole Highway was purchased in 1958 by Orland Scott Lefforge, a University of Hawaii professor, and his wife/companion Thelma Young, who lived at the property and remained owners into the 1970s.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

And the Globe is running an article about obama’s fake birth certificate. Granted they’re a “gossip rag” but then “The Enquirer” busted John Edwards in spite of denial after denial by him and all the major news agencies.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

The questions won’t go away until obama releases his hidden records. All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding?

And maybe more disturbing is why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States? The answer is that Obama’s very own supporters also know he’s a fraud!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!


captainsteve
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 1:12 am

New evidence about his Fake Birth certificate and that Obama’s mother didn’t live at claimed address in Hawaii when obama was born

The records from a Honolulu title search, obtained by WND, document 6085 Kalanianaole Highway was purchased in 1958 by Orland Scott Lefforge, a University of Hawaii professor, and his wife/companion Thelma Young, who lived at the property and remained owners into the 1970s.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

And the Globe is running an article about obama’s fake birth certificate. Granted they’re a “gossip rag” but then “The Enquirer” busted John Edwards in spite of denial after denial by him and all the major news agencies.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

The questions won’t go away until obama releases his hidden records. All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding?

And maybe more disturbing is why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States? The answer is that Obama’s very own supporters also know he’s a fraud!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 1:38 am

Agreed. The computer graphic image of “The COLB,” though…

Nah. Not good enough for anything at all.

The real document however – that would be great. Nice to compare it against those images, too.

So it's easy for Barry to produce the real COLB, right, Rat-boy?

Easy. Okay. So where is it?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 1:45 am

And Barry Soetoro would be “a natural-born US citizen” if he had been born in Hawaii.

But of a physical, print-on-paper, signed and sealed legal document providing some attestation supportive of his claim to have been born in Honolulu rather than in his native Mombasa?

Puzzlingly, that has not been forthcoming from Barry Soetoro. Neither has his permission to open the archives of the state of Hawaii so that his millions and millions of political opponents can inspect the information contained therein, and verify Barry's “natural-born US citizen” status.

Ain't that strange? So easy for Barry to settle this damnable question for once and all.

Wonder why he hasn't done so?

Nothing but speculation on my part, of course – remember, the burden of proof isn't on the people who ask the question, who needs no “proof” merely to put that question, but on Barry, who's repeatedly made the assertion that he is “a natural-born US citizen” – but doesn't it seem as if Barry's dodging the provision of proof because he's hiding the fact that he wasn't born in Hawaii, and therefore isn't “a natural-born US citizen”?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:07 am

Well, no. Rat-boy, there are no separate “Republican” or “Democrat” parties. Haen't been since, oh, about '71. There's are two mildly, nominally contending factions within one big, bipartisan, permanently incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party (motto: “If voting could really change anything, we'd make it illegal!“). Their purpose is tyranny – also plunder, pillage, rapine, theft, fumbling under lavatory stall partitions, embezzlement, “contributions,” counterfeiting, influence peddling, mopery, dopery, and confiscation.

Not a complete list, of course. Anyone without the staggering amount of shit you carry between your ears, Rat-boy, could add thereunto for half an hour or more.

To be opposed to the Boot-On-Your-Neck Party is to be opposed to tyranny – etcetera – and in favor of the individual citizen's right to be left alone by those who slime unto power in civil government.

Now, though I know that you're obtuse and obdurate, Rat-boy, but other readers – if such there be – can understand that one can be neither a “Republican” nor a “Democrat” quite easily. And that this is really the only proper option for any American who supports and defends the Constitution of these United States


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:22 am

The computer graphic is fine. What's even better is having the state say on the record that you are a “natural born citizen” — priceless!


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:24 am

Nice try, sluggo. If you live in a rental property or in a shack behind the property, your name is not going to show up on a title search, but thanks for trying. Lol.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:41 am

A statement made by a state bureaucrat not testifying under oath, or providing supporting documentation? That's “priceless” only in the sense that it's worth nothing.

The information in the vault. Provided Barry's little ACORN elves haven't been given the chance to fuck with it, that would be worth – oh, say, the presidency of these United States.

If, of course, Barry had been born in Honolulu instead of in his native Mombasa.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 5:18 am

It's still an official statement by a state official no matter how you slice it. Sorry, but no dice. You can repeat it over and over, but that does not make it true outside of freeperville.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 5:56 am

And snake-eyes on the dice means that you've crapped out again, Rat-boy. Tsk.

Dr. Fukino's recent statement – unsworn, unsupported – come under the heading of “plausibly deniable.” Were definitive confirmation of Barry's birthplace to be forthcoming under oath, or with the release of those vault “long-form” contents (if such exist at all), the vocalizing of a “state official” might be talem as more than pure gas.

In the immortal words of Sam Goldwyn, such a verbal utterance “isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

Nah. In an unsworn public statement, “Oh, I was mistaken” gets her off without much trouble, particularly if her Boot-On-Your-Neck Party governor gives her cover.

Testimony under oath? Put down in writing, signed and sealed? Different. Perjury. Paper trail.

Fukino’s risk of getting “her head…on a platter” under the prevailing circumstances? Effectively nil. Incentive to support the fiction that Hawaii’s favorite son is qualified to hold the high office he unlawfully usurps? Humongous.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

This is merely your opinion. You are welcome to it. I disagree. I think most reasonable observers would.

Blather on. You are boring me.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

Hahahaha! So now you are arguing that Fukino could shield herself with “plausible deniability”? Please.

There is no “plausible deniability”. If any birther ever came out with evidence that she was lying or even merely being deceptive, her head would be on a platter.

You are clueless.


Jim
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

LOL…isn't that just precious. I can promise you my name will not appear in any title search for the address where my son was born…I WAS RENTING!!!

You commies are really reaching now, go back to your commie country where you can fit right in!


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

Yeah. I noticed that. The retards seem to think that the Obama's claimed they had a mortgage or lien on the property from the birth announcement showing their address.

When I was going to college, I did not know a single student who would show up on a title search of the property they were staying at, because everybody was semi-transient. We all rented. I knew one or two kids whose Parents might show up on a title search, but they were the vast minority. Corsi is an idiot.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Still BHO was never a natural-born U.S. citizen for even a minute. He was at best born with dual-citizenship to an underage mother who could not confer natural-born status under law at the time and a Kenyan-Brit father. Then at about five his Indonesian father adopted him, changed his name to Soetoro, etc. BHO went to Pakistan as a citizen of somewhere? Where? He attended college as a citizen of somewhere. Where? To the anti-birthers I ask this simple question: At what point did BHO(Soetoro) become an American (who doesn't place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem)? I believe more than ever BHO is hiding at least one major flaw in his citizenship status.


Sherrill
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

He went to Pakistan as an American citizen, because like all the other claims by the birthers, this claim that he couldn't travel to Pakistan in 1981 using a US passport is just another load of BS. And there is NO law that requires you place your hand over your heart during the Pledge or the National Anthem. I see a lot of conservatives just yawn during it. Hell, I watched Glenn Beck lean against a chair, looking bored, when Ted Nugent slaughtered the National Anthem at the Alamo Tea Party


George Wilson
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

I'm confused David…what exactly in your article proves (or links to proof) that the certificate was “forged” or that it was based on a copy of Mr. Bomford's?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

It's not that the physical “certificate” (the COLB supposedly received by Barry Soetoro in 2007 from the government of the state of Hawaii) had been “forged” but rather that the computer graphic images allegedly generated by scanning that COLB had been altered in Adobe Photoshop to change the information that such a COLB might present so as to support Barry's false contention that he had been born in Honolulu instead of his native Mombasa.

The “certificate” itself has not left the physical possession of Barry Soetoro and his political partisans to be examined by either hostile or objective observers qualified to speak to that document's “genuineness or non-genuineness” as forensic evidence regarding this socialist sonofabitch's qualification to malignantly exercise the powers of the presidency in the destruction of the American economy.

The “birther” contention is that the physical document should be surrendered and submitted to detailed expert examination.

Barry Soetoro has been resisting this for more than 13 months, and this “birther” fact – his stubborn, desperate resistance – is an indisputable reality which none of the Obamaphiles on this board have been wiling seriously to confront.


Jim
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

Tuce, why must you continue to lie? It has been examined by WND, not exactly an Obama supporter, and found to be a true, legal document…

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

So, he has shown a legal document that even satisfied an anti-Obama site…that, I might add, is still trying to keep this alive for 1 reason…money! They hope idiots like you keep donating and keep this alive, maybe they'll even get nuts like you to donate enough to buy themselves a mansion. So, now you lie, make things up, and cannot even get a single fact straight. Is it any wonder that people think of you as a nut?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Please don't be daft. It's way too late for that. Just read the “Is This the Source of the Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate?” article at this thread.

Or just step outside the cave you've been living in for the past three weeks with your fingers in your ears and your eyes shut. How in the world did you miss the news stories proving that the Kenyan birf sirtifikat was forged?

Disingenuous birther.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

I am “preyy sure” that your capslock isn't nearly as persuasive as my truth.

Orly Taitz has never won a lawsuit. Either as a litigant (sued multiple times for dental malpractice) or as an attorney. In fact, other than birther doofuses, she has never represented anyone.

And you know how well the birther suits have worked out. She can't even figure out how to file a motion. Did you notice the Court rejected the motion for inappropriate discovery she filed with the forged birth certificate as an exhibit? Stricken from the record. She failed to follow basic rules of procedure that any first year attorney would be fired from a law firm for screwing up.

So I'm not worried about Orly suing anyone's “fucking ass.” You should sue your mother for failing to teach you manners, dumbass.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

What I cannot stomach is a college newspaper blogger trying to pretend that he understands anything about the Best Evidence Rule.

When the evidence you seek is prohibited by law from being anywhere near your grubby birther hands, as any original birth certificate in Hawai'i's official files is so prohibited, then the best evidence is that COLB that you can't stop pretending doesn't exist.

Deal with it. Or hold your breath waiting for someone to rescue you from President Obama and his plan to steal country music and mayonnaise from white people. Either way, you're hilarious.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

Jim, why the hell do you Obamaphile assholes continue to harp on Mr. Zahn's article?

First, there is no “lie” in what I'd posted above.

Second, at the time Mr. Zahn had written that article for WorldNetDaily, he was not discussing the physical document – which has yet to be examined by anyone outside the self-dealing circle of Barry Soetoro's most fanatical supporters – but rather their best estimate of the computer graphic images at the time he'd written that article.

Third, I “took it to email” with Mr. Zahn himself, and got the following response (July 27, 2009), which I give you in toto:

Thank you for your effort to understand and critically think about this issue.

First, there is no link to the investigation results, because the investigation that was done was merely into several of the claims being made at the time offering “proof” the document was a forgery. As the second sentence clarifies, many of those alleged “proofs” of forgery were not proofs at all.

You are correct in that we have never seen nor examined the actual paper document. The first sentence of the quoted paragraph, admittedly, is worded poorly, and out of context, does seem to imply something it was never intended to imply. I'm sure you can understand, however, that for us to go back and correct the wording – at this point, after it has been referenced so many times – would look unscrupulous on our part, as if we were “covering our tracks.”

The word “found” is the problem. Another of our reporters actually added that to the story, but I've been compelled to explain it ever since.

A better wording of the paragraph is, and should have been:

A separate WND investigation into Obama's online image of his certification of live birth found that several forgery experts saw no evidence to doubt the document's authenticity. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

At this point, we still have no concrete or undisputable proof that the online image is fraudulent. We have reported on some who think so, but as we're reporters, not forgery experts, all we can do is report on the disagreement that exists between the experts.

Regardless, I hope you will look into our stories to understand, even if the COLB is perfectly legitimate, it's a red herring argument. There are still reasons for Obama to release his long-form birth certificate, and still legitimate questions surrounding his eligibility. The COLB, even if legit, is not adequate to demonstrate natural born citizenship.

Drew Zahn,
News editor, WorldNetDaily

(( Boldface font is used above to denote that section of the email message in which Mr. Zahn used a different font color for emphasis. ))

The point yet again is that Barry Soetoro has not once ever “shown a legal document” – and the word to emphasize is document, as in print upon paper, signed, stamped, sealed, and otherwise incorporating protections to make alterations or other fraudulence difficult (if not impossible) to pass expert scrutiny – to any objective (or, hell, hostile) examiner looking to test that document's validity, integrity, provenance, “genuineness or non-genuineness” as a supportive bona fides of that lying, lousy Cook County machine “poverty pimp” socialist sonofabitch Barry Soetoro's claim that he qualifies as a natural born citizen of these United States to occupy the office of the presidency.

Noise about how the confidentiality and security of the doctors or nurses who had supposedly delivered Stanley Ann Dunham of her unwanted burden in 1961 is bullshit, for it is not necessary that Barry Soetoro's “long-form” information be made wholly public. Officers of a court of law – including by extension qualified expert witnesses as to the character of forensic documents and other evidentiary materials – can look into such materials without releasing any secondary details not pertinent to the “genuineness or non-genuineness” of such supporting information or documents, and Barry Soetoro (and all his little ACORN elves and Obamaphile assholes) know this.

The physical document – not computer graphic images, but the document itself from which those images were allegedly scanned – on a judge's bench and thence under the evaluation of competent forensic documents examiners.

That's what your Mombasa Messiah has been evading, and that's no fucking “lie” at all.


JIM
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 1:33 am

Tuce, Tuce, Tuce, everyone's a liar but you birthers. Hawaiin officials lie, newspapers lie, Obama lies, everyone but you. Let me give you facts then…

1) Obama has proved he's a citizen. His BC is the OFFICIAL one released by the sovereign state of Hawaii. It is not up to Obama to prove it's official, Hawaii says it is.

2) 2 Newspaper announcements at the time of his birth.

3) Nobody, and that includes the president, is required to allow fishing expeditions into their lives. Especially by people who have pre-decided the outcome of said fishing expedition.

4) you are so full of it, I can't help but laugh…and laugh…and laugh.

5) Obama is my duly, legally elected president…and his credentials were accepted by congress. You, on the other hand, are trying to overturn the election with no proof, no clue, and nothing more than wild accusations and unproven conclusions. That, Tuce, is called communism…and not the country I live in. Now, for people like you and Orly, it may be where you live…but not in my America.

6) People like you are either bigots, nuts, or just plain off your medication…because you have absolutely nothing to prove your point except the imaginations of a raving lunatic.

7) I call you liars and commies because the first absolute you have to overcome is the fact that Hawaiin officials attest to the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii, so you and people like you call these officials liars with no proof of anything but them doing their jobs. That's call communism, where you make an unfounded accusation and then say they have to prove you wrong.

Well, thankfully, we live in a democracy…why don't you and Orly go out and have a few drinks and talk about how sweet it would be live in a communist state where your mind is anyway.


JIM
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 1:41 am

Now, Tuce, I'll tell you what. I'll give you the exact same opportunity to PROVE any birther nonsense that I gave Steve earlier in a different thread. You show any documented PROOF that Obama isn't an american citizen, and I'll shoot it down. Go ahead, all these wonderful readers would love to see PROOF of what your stating. All we've seen from you is theories and guesses backed up by nothing. Give us the PROOF…show me that you believe in a democracy and not a communist state. I am not so closed minded that I can't be convinced, except I won't be convinced by wild accusations without any proof…never have, never will.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 2:32 am

The newspapers (The Sunday Advertiser, The Honolulu Star-Bulletin) need not have lied in 1961, but there are no newsprint copies of the editions in which the announcement of Ms. Dunham's grunting-out of baby Barry had been allegedly published. Only microfiche archives, which are susceptible to alteration, and which omit the Vital Statistics notification of the twin delivery of Mrs. Nordyke in what is claimed to be the same hospital where Barry had been born.

Now if all those newspapers could do was to receive information from the Hawaii state government and report it as received, why is there no notification on the Nordyke delivery? The reasonable inference is that something had to be expunged from those microfiche records to make room to insert the falsehood of Barry's birth. Ergo, the newspaper stuff – more precisely the microfiche archives – are a faulty source, and likely tampered with. Of no value except in gulling the credulous and the stupid (like the campaign worker of Bubba's Bitch who choked on that ACORN planting and put a premature end to the effort to disqualify the Mombasa Messiah in the National Socialist Party primaries).

The rest proceeds as outlined, with emphasis on the fact that the image of a thing – an easily altered microfiche record, a pair of computer graphic images – is not the thing itself, and cannot be accepted as such.

We're fortunate in that Barry himself holds the same alleged Certification of Live Birth which his partisans claim was used to scan for the production of those JPGs realeased on the Web in June 2008.

That COLB is in Barry's pocket, so to speak. So it can be immediately tendered to an officer of the court for verification. Ain't that nice?

And there's the fact you asshole Obamaphiles keep dodging. Barry has it. It can be evaluated by competent forensic documents examiners as to its “genuineness or non-genuineness,” and at least one such qualified and certified expert in this area recommends that this should be done.

So?

You gonna keep on pushing that Big Lie your Messiah Central puppetmasters keep ordering you to fuck around with?

Thankfully, we don't live in a democracy, but in a representative republic constrained by “the chains of the Constitution.”

So why don't you just wedge your head the rest of the way up your ass and smell the rose food, Jimmy?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Fuckhead JIM, no “birther” has to “PROVE” a merry little thing. The burden of proof is on the disputant voicing the positive proposition.

Not “That sad sack of shit 'poverty pimp' asshole Barry Soetoro is not qualified to serve as President of these United States,” but rather:

“Us whining, lying, fuckwit Obmaphiles insist that our beloved Mombasa Messiah, living saint of the socialist utopia, is qualified to occupy that office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue instead of a cell in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary where he truly belongs!”

Okay. So where's your proof? Computer images with Photoshop fingerprints of clumsy alteration all over 'em? Har-de-har-har!

So “PROVE” your contention, dickbreath.

Ah, but “never have, never will.”


JIM
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 2:53 am

Thanks, Tuce, you fell into the same thing as all the rest. You can't prove a thing, you can only guess and then show your true colors. Now be a nice momma's boy, stick your thumb back into your mouth and get back to that imaginary world on your computer that you spend too many hours playing…maybe there someone will care about your delusions.


JIM
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 2:58 am

Again, now you're accusing someone somewhere of sneaking in and altering microfiche…of which there are multiple copies…oh, wait, I forgot, you've never been to a library so you wouldn't know that. Maybe they sent in a group of say 50 microfiche changers to do the job…making sure to get all the colleges and high schools that may or may not have a copy. No proof just conjecture…stretching pretty thin at that. strike one


JIM
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 3:00 am

I also see you don't believe in the constitution…glad you're not american and don't live under it because I and around 300,000,000 people will defend it against the likes of you.

Strike 2


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 3:05 am

I repeat that the honest participants in these exchanges – whom you shit-for-brains Obamaphiles call “birthers” – need only call the question. The burden of proof is not upon them, and had never been.

You, JIM, and your co-religionists worshiping the Mombasa Messiah, have the responsibility to bring proof to the public dispute over your Chicago “poverty pimp” thug of a Fraudulence-in-Chief's lawful qualification to continue performing cunnilingus on Michelle (those sores on his dick just won't heal, will they?) in the presidential bedroom at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue when in reality the proper occupant is Joe Biden, and may God have mercy on these United States.

You've got the burden of proof, JIM, and inasmuch as you represent the core of Barry's constituency, I'd say that the sorry motherfucker is in for a long, long time in federal prison.


JIM
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 3:13 am

Well, might as well complete this…kinda gotten bored with you Tuce. The court has no standing to remove Obama from the White House, only Congress can do that and they have accepted his credentials. Wait, that darn Constitution keeps getting in the way…oh, well, you're not american anyway so why worry.

Strike 3


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 3:13 am

I have accused no one, you happy simpleton. I've observed that such an alteration – even to multiple archives of these two small town newspapers' publications in what is a very small state – is possible, and that the omission of notification of the Nordyke deliveries is a “Damn. That's funny….” element that must be explained before those microfiche archives can be taken as a reliable record of what had happened in that first week of August, 1961.

The really odd thing isn't that Ms. Dunham's uterine squeezings had been reported (or even that the address listed, when subjected to a title search, fails of recording anyone named “Dunham” or “Obama” as ever having lived there) but that Mrs. Nordyke's delivery of twin girls isn't mentioned in that microfiche archive.

Sort of a “The dog did nothing in the night-time” type of thing. Capisce?

Besides, it wouldn't take “a group of say 50 microfiche changers to do the job.” One guy, maybe two. Locate the archives, make that number of counterfeit microfiche pages, go in seriatim, remove and substitute. With microfilm reels, very difficult. With microfiche – easy.

Just conjecture, certainly. But the burden of proof is on Barry, and by extension fellahin like you, fuckwit.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 3:15 am

Nothing is more revolting than the majority; for it consists of few vigorous predecessors, of knaves who accommodate themselves, of weak people who assimilate themselves, and the mass that toddles after them without knowing in the least what it wants.

– Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


JIM
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 3:16 am

And you are a non-american who doesn't believe in the Constitution of our Country…I think I win that argument.

Obama is our president, and you are…tell you what, I'll let the readers decide what you are, they're much more astute than you'll ever imagine being.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 3:17 am

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

– U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5


JIM
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:35 am

I just love this…

TUCI: “Besides, it wouldn't take “a group of say 50 microfiche changers to do the job.” One guy, maybe two. Locate the archives, make that number of counterfeit microfiche pages, go in seriatim, remove and substitute. With microfilm reels, very difficult. With microfiche – easy.

Just conjecture, certainly. But the burden of proof is on Barry, and by extension fellahin like you, fuckwit.”

So do you ever listen to yourself? Conjecture, but prove me wrong? You have to be kidding. Is that what you think our leader should be doing??? Is that what he was elected for, to answer every crazy theory you can come up with in your sick little twisted mind? Nope, he was elected to lead the country, your mind on the other hand…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:50 am

Calling the question, fuckwit. Honest men – us constitutionalists – can “conjecture” all we friggin' please. We don't have to be proven right or wrong in order to call into question not only your faux noir socialist sad sack of shit Mombasa Messiah but also the “evidence” you asshole Obamaphiles offer in lieu of proof of his place of birth. Character of microfiche newspaper archives still makes them an unreliable supporting source of information on what had actually happened in Honolulu that week in August 1961.

No Nordyke delivery listed, no validity to those microfiche pages. Tough shit for you, asshole.

Can't Barry Soetoro come up with even that print-on-paper COLB his anonymous campaign flunky supposedly scanned to produce those computer graphic images in June 2008 – and thereby prove that what we see in those images is what actually apears – in full – on the stamped, signed, and sealed legal document?

Yeah, this is precisely what your “poverty pimp” public servant should be doing. Proving he has the lawful authority to do anything else in that office to which he'd been elected, and for which millions of those people who had been suckered into voting for him are now expressing profound “buyer's remorse.”

Compliance with this simple demand is a nothing. American citizens do it all the fucking time, as a matter of course. He could have one of his interns get up off her knees, spit out his cum, and run the fucking document itself to a judge's chambers without taking more than the time necessary to empty his bladder after she'd sucked him off.

So he was elected. So had been a lot of errant public servants who are at this moment doing time in prison. Winning an election, shit-for-brains, confers even upon your sainted scum, Barry, neither particular privilege nor immunity.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

SILVER BEAR:

The United States Supreme Court said in its majority opinion in the case:

MINOR v. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S. 162 (1874)
88 U.S. 162 (Wall.)
MINOR ?v. ?HAPPERSETT.
October Term, 1874

“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural born citizens.
Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the
nomenclature of which the Framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was
never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its
citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were
natives or natural born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or
foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children
born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their
parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts.”

BLESSINGS!
LEO


JIM
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 12:31 pm

Oh Tuce, thanks for being so entertaining. You got nothing, and you keep proving it time and time again. Even when given a free opportunity to state your case, you can't give one piece of proof for any of your zany accusations. Even your insults lack any idea of critical thinking, just more blathering of an insecure, thumb-sucking momma's boy who would be more comfortable sitting in his momma's basement thinking he's saving the world than to come out to see the light of democracy and freedom. But, you know what…that's all you're ever going to be. Next time you flush, be sure to look down, because I'd hate for you to miss the chance to see the last of your intelligence go flowing away with the rest of the s**t you've been spouting.


Jim
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

Tuce, I've got to give you more credit…you've finally figured it out!!! It wasn't Obama that the coverup was for, IT WAS NORDYKE!!!

Tuce: “No Nordyke delivery listed, no validity to those microfiche pages. Tough shit for you, asshole.”

That's what this is all about. Nordyke was born in Europe to european parents and they just KNEW that their child would become president. So, when they were in Europe having their child, they rushed back to Hawaii to get a fake birth certificate, thereby making their child a natural born citizen. Their plan failed because of 2 very important pieces they forgot…didn't get the newspaper announcement…and more importantly, didn't get elected president…poor Nordyke.

The moral…if anyone named Nordyke ever runs for president, make sure they weren't born in Hawaii. Thanks Tuce, I'll remember that just in case I ever need it.


Jim
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

Actually, I think you got the wrong quote there Tuce…here he is writing about you.

“Nothing is worse than active ignorance.”
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

or maybe some of these others will fit in with you…

“It is impossible to make people understand their ignorance; for it requires knowledge to perceive it and therefore he that can perceive it hath it not.”
Jeremy Taylor (1613 – 1667)

“Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 – 1968),


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

Nah. The point is that your Mombasa Messiah's “got nothing,” as in no support for his contention that he's a natural born citizen of these United States and therefore qualified to have even entered his name in the National Socialist Party's presidential primaries last year.

Count upon count of criminal fraud. Ain't that nice? The only question is whether his sentences will run concurrently or sequentially.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

That's Doctor and Mrs. Nordyke, asshole. The daddy responsible for pollinating that pregnancy was one of the early pioneers in diagnostic imaging, and in Honolulu in 1961 a very big frog in a very small puddle.

As a result, the omission of the delivery of twin girls (multiple births are more common nowadays owing to the use of fertility drugs to “push” ovulation) to a “pillar of the community” like Dr. & Mrs. Nordyke would sure as hell be in The Sunday Advertiser and The Honolulu Star-Bulletin.

Barry's little ACORN sneak thieves just picked the wrong birth notification to wipe so that they could insert their Messiah's fraudulence.

Ain't you just agonizingly fucked again, Jimmy?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

Gawd, I hate proofing errors.

“As a result, the notification of the delivery of twin girls (multiple births are more common nowadays owing to the use of fertility drugs to “push” ovulation) to “pillar of the community” couple like Dr. & Mrs. Nordyke would sure as hell be in The Sunday Advertiser and The Honolulu Star-Bulletin.”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Great quotes, Jim. Considering that “active ignorance” – better characterized as willful ignorance – has been the signal characteristic of you asswipe Obamaphiles on the “natural born citizen” issue, I'll happily make use of these citations.

I'd not read the Taylor quotation before, and I'm pleased to see in it the germ of what we call today the scientific method. The first step in that process is what I've heard described as “the definition of our ignorance,” reviewing what is known about the phenomenon under examination to delineate the boundaries of those lacunae in our fund of knowledge and devise a method whereby they can be explored and “filled in.”

Thanks. I don't think you intended to fuck yourself here (especially with that tiny little excuse for a penis you've got), but shoving that broomhandle up your ass certainly seems to have done the trick.


Jim
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

Criminal fraud with no proof…interesting. Oh wait, that's right it's up to the defendant to prove his innocence not the accuser to prove guilt in the little world that only exists in your mind…sorry I forgot.

So if I state the following…

Tuci is a child molester with kiddie porn on his computer. All his neighbors should be told and his computer confiscated.

Tuci is sitting at home watching gay midget men go at it hot and heavy…he prefers midgets because the only time he's ever been seen naked by a woman she went running out the door laughing uncontrollably at his lack of manhood…at least watching the midgets make him feel like half a man.

Great! Now, in your little world, you have to prove me wrong or everything I've said is correct. Have fun!


Jim
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Tuci: “The point is that your Mombasa Messiah's “got nothing,” as in no support for his contention that he's a natural born citizen of these United States”

1) Hawaii states that he was born there…therefor a citizen
2) 2 Newspapers announce his birth
3) 50 states accepted Obama as a candidate
4) A vast majority of citizens voted for him as president
5) The electoral college accepted him as a candidate and gave him a majority of the electoral votes
6) Congress accepted that he was a valid candidate and certified that he won
7) Supreme Court Justice accepted him as an american citizen and gave him the Oath of Office
8) And most important, he is the President.

That, my good man, is game, set, and match. Unless, of course, you can come up with at least 8 reasons he's not eligible. But, you won't, because you can't…you'll just start ranting and raving and making wild claims that you can't back up…just like you always do.


JIM
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

Not really, following the line of thinking you like to put out on Obama…it's possible that Mrs. Nordyke had a miscarriage before the twins birth. Still wanting a couple of daughters, they flew to France and adopted a set of twin orphans…off the books, of course…then flew back to Hawaii and had some friends at the Hospital create the BC so it would look like the girls were born in Hawaii and then, of course, 48 years later they expected one of their daughters to be the first woman president. Of course, the hospital staff covered it up for their dear Dr. Nordyke and that's why they don't appear in the newspapers. Like I said, they missed a couple of steps, like getting their daughter elected president. WOW, that was easy Tuci, just make things up and have you prove me wrong. Got another…this is fun!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

Proof? Without Barry providing proof that he is a natural born citizen of these United States, then every attestation he has ever signed – required by every state in which he had entered his name in a National Socialist Party presidential primary to begin with, right over the signature line certifying that he is a “natural born citizen” of this country – is itself a separate and discrete action of criminal fraudulence.

It is not that your “poverty pimp” pseudopresident must prove any putative innocence, but rather that his failure to prove his qualification to enter his name in any of those primaries (much less in the general election) can and should give rise to multiple criminal charges derived therefrom.

Did he know he was not a natural born citizen when he signed those attestations? He's a constitutional lawyer. Most certainly he knew. Criminal mens rea demonstrable? Assuredly.

Leavenworth, Atlanta, or the maximum-security lockdown in Marion, Ohio?

Choices, choices…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:03 am

(1) One Hawaii politician and one Hawaii state bureaucrat, public statements, no sworn attestation, no documentation. Deniability high, value zero.

(2) Newsprint unavailable. Microfiche archives, easily hacked. Nordyke delivery notification omitted. Reliability zero, value zero.

(3) State election bureaucrats failed to exercise due diligence. Bureaucratic dereliction of duty. Occurrence universal, value to Obamaphiles zero.

(4) Narrow popular majority of voters. “Does history record any case in which the majority was right?” These United States are constituted as a representative republic under a Constitution, not as a democracy. Support for Obamaphile willful ignorance: zero.

(5) Electoral college officers are not empowered to review the qualification of a presidential candidate. Value to Obamaphile excuse for a case: zero.

(6) “It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress.” Dereliction of duty by self-dealing career politicians of the Boot-On-Your-Neck Party. “Go along to get along.” Contempt for the American people astronomical. Value to the Obamaphile cause: zero.

(7) SCOTUS has not ruled on alleged natural born citizen status of Barry Soetoro. Value: zero.

(8) Most important, unlawfully exercising the powers of the presidency by virtue of failure to qualify under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution – on the part of a constitutional lawyer, no less. Value to the National Socialist cause: zero.

Tennis racket shoved retrograde up Jim's cloaca. Game over.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Mrs. Nordyke may be pictured online at this location holding a copy of one of her daughters' birth certificates.

She is alive today, she had been delivered of twin daughters (who are also alive today), and her daughters' births had been recorded by the Hawaii state governments officers of vital statistics in 1961.

While you're groping around down there, JIM, pull the other one, why don'tcha?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:10 am

Whups! That's “holding copies of both her daughters' birth certificates.”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:19 am

Tsk. I not only “believe in the Constitution of our Country,” but I want it fully enforced.

In this case, Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5.

I also want the Bill of Rights enforced. Vigorously. Unremittingly. Thoroughly.

Barry Soetoro is a fraud, masquerading as President of these United States, a criminal enthroned, and those of us with respect for the validity and integrity of our central charter of civil government (as well as the protection of each citizen's human and civil rights) desire that your Mombasa Messiah be ripped out of the office he usurps and brought before the bar to answer for his crimes.

And non-Obamaphile readers, not besotted by Barry-worship and dreams of the National Socialist utopia, will judge the validity of this position for its manifest worth, and will turn on Barry Soetoro the full force of their rage and hatred.

As he most certainly deserves.


JIM
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:32 am

You mean her forged certificates that were provided by her husband's friend at the hospital. Besides, we can't tell they're even real, they're only computer images. And, since they're forgeries they don't matter at all. WOW, that's fun…make it up as you go. Great Tuci, do it again! But wait…didn't you say the Hawaii state government isn't reliable because they said Obama's was real? The same people who were there in 61? Now you're confusing me…when they agree with you their correct, when they disagree with you their liars?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:36 am

Nah. Nordyke was a radiologist – one of the early subspecialists in nuclear medicine. You ever dealt with those guys? No way he could pull off the sort of ACORN dirty tricks Barry has had on call for the past decade or so.

Keep wriggling, worm.


JIM
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:37 am

I lay you dollars to donuts you're in prison long before Obama is…because Obama will never go to prison. But, I could, of course, be wrong…because you're already there!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:42 am

In Barry's America?

Heck, JIM, all honest citizens are “in prison.”

And you Obamaphile butt-munchers are just bucking for trustee status, right?


JIM
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Man, you do talk about people's butts a lot…is that your fixation?


JIM
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:53 am

See, you just did it again. No proof, just accusations. Did you just take another dump and lose some more intelligence?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:54 am

When dealing with you Obamaphiles, one is enjoined always to address the end of the spine where the greatest level of function is found.

That is always the caudal terminus, therefore….


JIM
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 12:57 am

No wonder you've always got your nose stuck up there…must smell like home.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 1:03 am

The need for proof, JIM, is on your side of the dispute. All I need to do is point out that Barry's “natural born citizen” status assertions are without definitive support and that definitive support is well within his personal power to provide, consisting in that 2007 COLB he – supposedly – already has, and the information held in the vault of the government of the state of Hawaii.

All the rest of the crap upon which you've harped is peripheral, derivative, falsifiable, and therefore unreliable.

“The good stuff” is that which is only within Barry's direct power to release – unless, of course, he quits spending a million-plus bucks to quash court actions designed to force that information out of him and/or the Hawaii state government.

You ever wonder why your beloved Barry won't just cough up the goddam birth certificate?

Honestly?

Whoa! An Obamaphile?

Honest?

Unthinkable!


Jim
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Tuce…Please don't forget the 14th amendment while you've become interested in the constitution…hate for you to forget that one.

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Darn, sorry Tuce, I forgot. Whenever something doesn't agree with your position, it doesn't have any standing in Tuceworld. I understand that your world doesn't believe in things such as due process and such…but, we live in the USA and not your imaginary world. Your world is called a communism, and you and Orly can go back there since it's where you seem to fell most comfortable.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

By and large, I think the 14th Amendment is great. It recognizes that every American benefits from a species of “dual citizenship” – as a citizen of these United States and as a citizen of whichever of the several states in which he resides. Thus the 14th Amendment imposes upon the officers of the federal government the duty to protect the rights of American citizens against the particular governments of those of the several states whose officers act to violate those rights.

Anything that sets the officers of one government at the throats of the officers of another government for the specific purpose of protecting American citizens' civil rights is emphatically a good thing.

So where does the 14th Amendment apply to the obstinate, arrogant, criminally suspicious refusal of Barry Soetoro to put his physical birth certificate (or the “vault” information in the archives of the government of the state of Hawaii) into the hands of a duly constituted officer of a court of law in any of these United States?

Keep groping, Jim. While you're fumbling around down there in your pants, if you can find it, try yanking the other one.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

The Great Usurper is an illegal-immigrant & was a natural-born citizen-subject of Great Britain. Of course that was before he was adopted as Barry Soetoro in Indonesia where all his childhood memories exist before age ten. that was when he went to visit the Dunhams in Hawaii on an Indonesian passport & then stayed thru high school.


jayhg
Comment posted June 7, 2010 @ 5:44 pm

red graham cracker………and I put emphasis on the “cracker,” you're a dumb ass birfer, always has been and always will be…….dumb ass birfer………


Marcostick
Comment posted June 25, 2010 @ 2:33 am

Dammit Jim! Don’t you get it yet? You are the unarmed man engaged in a battle of wits with a GLADIATOR! Every post you make is weak, grasping, never actually adressing the issues and evidence he sets forth. your constant refusal to google and verify or disprove his assertions shows that you are full of shit! If you had, you would be able to source your scepticism, and/or show Tuci how he is wrong, but you MISERABLY FAIL!


Marcostick
Comment posted June 25, 2010 @ 2:36 am

He did not, he went to Pakistan with an Indonesian passport. You are seriously mistaken. US Citizens were forbidden by the State Department at that time from travelling to Pakistan, so he COULD NOT HAVE travelled to Pakistan with a US Passport, that is not BS it is the verifyable truth. Where in the world do you get your info? The Huffington Post???


Marcostick
Comment posted June 25, 2010 @ 2:15 am

Sorry Jim, you are an absolute moron. Almost every post you make is so full of nonsense it is laughable. So many of the claims Tuci makes are not only valid, but since these posts were originally made, most of them have been proven. All a stupid asses sceptic like you needs to do is pull your head out of your ass and google…
Heres one for ya, the COLB is a forgery, it was mistkenly printed on the wrong paper, the border is from a 2008 COLB and the posted COLB is from 2007, FORGERY! Photoshop Forgery! Jim you FAIL! You fail even to adequately refute ONE single claim Tuci makes, all you do is site a lack of sourcing, even though you would never verify the source anyways. Smug arrogant idiotic fucking dipshit. And you showed what a putz you are with every comment you posted.


Marcostick
Comment posted June 25, 2010 @ 2:20 am

orry again Jim, it is overwhelming obvious that Tuci is the more Patriotic of you two. He actually knows what he is talking about, and you act like the imbecile liars on MSLSD…you ridicule, you attempt to dismiss, and you fall very short of your intentions. It HAS been 10 months, maybe you have found or bought a clue since your insane postings…


Marcostick
Comment posted June 25, 2010 @ 2:23 am

MLK Jr was a self admitted Communist. Good job there quoting a commie to support your own ignorance. Most of those who advocate communism have no idea what it is like to live under it's rule. Only those in charge benefit from communism…


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