Is This the Source of the Forged ‘Kenyan Birth Certificate?’

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Monday, August 03, 2009 at 7:34 pm

[Update: Credit where it's due—my source tipped me off to this in the Politijab web forums, which have become a good site for "birther" debunking.]

One of my friends in the small community of Obama “birther”-debunkers passes on quite the discovery: a 1964 “certified copy of registration of birth” from Australia, easily available on Bomford.net, a genealogy site. There are striking similarities between this document and the one Orly Taitz is passing off as a “Kenyan birth certificate” for Barack Obama.

- The design is identical, down to the seal at the top and the classifications (“Christian name,” etc) used for identifying the baby.

- The “registrar” on the Bomford document is G.F. Lavender. On the Taitz document, it’s E.F. Lavender.

- The “district registrar” on the Bomford document is J.H. Miller. On the Taitz document, it’s M.H. Miller.

Picture 33

- The number of the book is identical on both documents: Book 44B, Page 5733.

What’s more likely — that two Kenyan bureaucrats shared last names with two Australian bureaucrats, and that the numbers on both certificates were identical? Or that someone used this document, available online for anyone who wanted to look, to forge the Obama “certificate?”

Update: As a commenter points out, the Bomford.net site is down. Here is the original image, from that site:

DavidJeffreyBomfordBirthCertDoc65

And here is the Taitz document:

kenyandocument

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Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:55 am

“under Hawaiian Law in 1961 you could be born on MARS and get a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth,”

Yes, but it would say you were born on MARS.

Epic Fail.


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Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Apologies. I clicked the link and it didn’t work — something related to my browser, I think. I have resolved it and now see the link.

The other poster (going by the legitimate-sounding moniker “A”) just directs people to politijab dot com. No specific page. So I doubted that there’s any real motive besides driving traffic to your chosen website.

The other times I have looked at posts like yours, it’s a trick to get me to look at porn that isn’t worth a free look or some such thing.

Thanks for the concern, but I’m certain that my dusty old dictionary is still serving me faithfully. I just this minute got accused by a doofus on this thread of winning a spelling bee as a child.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:15 am

Apologies, as noted above.

You speak truth to delusional birthers?

So do I. I just don’t bother to sugar-coat that truth for those racist xenophobic lying cowards who won’t stop hiding behind this nonsense about a birth certificate.


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Eugenia
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:40 am

How would he not be qualified if born in the US?

He’s old enough.

Please site what would disqualify him.


Eugenia
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Proove it or shut up.


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nickrud
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:54 am

Because he’s shown us the birth certificate; the rest you’re asking for is irrelevant. Who cares what his high school records say? Is there any doubt that he was going to school in Hawaii as a teenager? Law office records are privileged, lawyers show them to no one.

I really don’t understand this mania about Obama’s papers.


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Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:00 am

What makes you think that? The “certificate of live birth” that has been presented makes no statement as to “WHERE” the birth took place.


Windyseptic
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:01 am

You’re right, he’s not an American citizen. He’s United States citizen. America is a continent.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:17 am

Prove your assertions.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:17 am

Prove your assertions.


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labman57
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:31 am

“Obama HATES America in it’s traditional form”

That comment pretty much says it all. Define traditional form. Pre-civil war America? America as an agrarian society? The era of McCarthyism? Pre-civil rights movement deep southern society?
Or simply maintaining the status quo and perpetuating the mindset that it’s a “white man’s world”?


labman57
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:31 am

“Obama HATES America in it’s traditional form”

That comment pretty much says it all. Define traditional form. Pre-civil war America? America as an agrarian society? The era of McCarthyism? Pre-civil rights movement deep southern society?
Or simply maintaining the status quo and perpetuating the mindset that it’s a “white man’s world”?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:33 am

Eugenia, that is the wrong response to this gentleman. The correct response is, “Shut the fuck up, LoneWacko*!”

*That is his real moniker.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:33 am

Eugenia, that is the wrong response to this gentleman. The correct response is, “Shut the fuck up, LoneWacko*!”

*That is his real moniker.


labman57
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 am

Dufus.

The Annenbergs were conservatives w/respect to their political ties, but they set up the Annenberg Foundation as a philanthropic organization to provide funding for public school education throughout the nation. It was in this scenario that they have a connection to Obama. He was a member of a community group working toward providing educational resources to inner city schools in Chicago.

“Guilt by association” is a very easy, yet extremely malicious and disingenuous game to play. Palin learned that lesson the hard way with her fear and hate-mongering “palling around with terrorists” remarks that caused her to lose favor with the majority of American voters.


labman57
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 am

Dufus.

The Annenbergs were conservatives w/respect to their political ties, but they set up the Annenberg Foundation as a philanthropic organization to provide funding for public school education throughout the nation. It was in this scenario that they have a connection to Obama. He was a member of a community group working toward providing educational resources to inner city schools in Chicago.

“Guilt by association” is a very easy, yet extremely malicious and disingenuous game to play. Palin learned that lesson the hard way with her fear and hate-mongering “palling around with terrorists” remarks that caused her to lose favor with the majority of American voters.


zax
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

LAME .. no pic, nothing. Is this a joke?


zax
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Lame .. no pics, nothing. Is this a joke?


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xero
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

Did you click the link zax? That they tried to pass that kenyan nonsense off as legit is indeed a joke.


David Simmons
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:01 am

It didn't have pretty pictures. Zax can't read, apparently. Must be a birther.


brucepmajors
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:11 am

So you are saying that just as porkpie Gibbs and other flaks decided to talk about the “birther” issue because even that is more comfortable than talking about Obama's lies, dropping polls, and failed policies, they then created a fake Kenyan birth certificate?

To deflect attention from the fact that we still have not seen his transcripts, client lists, passports,or American birth certificate?


GG
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:12 am

“7s 6d No. 495″ is identical on both as well. Date of Registration and Date Entered are 4 days apart on both.


renaistre
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:20 am

So… are we now saying that is Obama actually Australian?

My head hurts. =D

This whole story needs to die.


David Simmons
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:23 am

No, we're saying you've SEEN his American [sic] birth certificate. It's the one from Hawaii Elmer. “America” doesn't issue birth certificates (your nutty friend from Delaware notwithstanding). States issue them. Hawaii issued one to Barack Obama when he was born there. They have confirmed this. They have *repeatedly* stated that he was born there and is, therefore, a Natural Born Citizen, and thanks to our Constitution, they get to make that determination.

And you have absolutely NO reason to, or need to, see his transcripts, client lists, passport, etc. I'm pretty sure you weren't clamoring to see George W. Bush's National Guard records when THEY went missing, were you? Didn't think so. So you can STFU now about the President's transcripts, client lists (seriously? His CLIENT LISTS? WTF??) etc.

Now, if you'd like to try facts for a change, feel free to post some of these “lies” and “failed policies” you prattle on about. In 6 months it's pretty hard to say a policy is “failed.” We're pretty sure about the ones from the past 8 years though.


badtux
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:26 am

Not too convincing. Australia and Kenya were both Commonwealth nations and inherited a lot of forms from their colonial days. But really, it's so easy to forge a birth record that I'm going to believe the Hawaii births registrar when she says the Hawaii certificate is the real deal, not some completely unvetted Kenyan document. After all, I just “proved” (follow my link above) that Obama was born in a foreign country called “Louisiana” to two parents also born there and should thus be deported, see how easy it is with a bit of Photoshop? :)


pants
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Brilliant find! That's pretty obviously the source doc.


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ryan
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Do you know what a “link” is?


neonzx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:32 am

Busted!

Poor Orly. Hope she enjoys her vacation in Israel.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:37 am

“So far, Congress has not passed
any law that defines “natural born citizen”. In 1790, Congress passed the
Naturalization Act of 1790, which extended the meaning of “natural born citizen”
to include the foreign-born children of U.S.-citizen parents”

You went from zero to self-contradicting in two sentences, dude.

“but Congress never again passed any law that explicitly
clarified, defined or extended the meaning of natural born citizenship.”

False- the Immigration and Nationality Act does just that, and it was passed in the 1950s.

“To summarize, we know for sure that persons born in the U.S., of parents who are
U.S. citizens, are definitely, without doubt, natural born citizens. So far, the
Supreme Court has not decided whether natural born citizenship also includes
U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents.”

And until SCOTUS decides that it does NOT include such people, the statutory law stands. That’s 8 USC 1401, which explicitly includes people in Obama’s situation. See, that’s a pretty big misunderstanding of SCOTUS, until it rules a law invalid, the law IS VALID- it’s not in some Schroedinger’s Cat half-life kinda thing.

So yeah, we DO know, for sure, that Obama is a natural born citizen. If SCOTUS comes out with a different ruling (And they never, ever will), then it’s only going to be because they CHANGE the definition of “natural born citizen”.


Hugh
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:37 am

And they even cost the same: 7 shillings and sixpence. I can do better than that.


mardod
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:39 am

I think the legal term here is oppsies. I'm guessing the federal judge in her case isn't going to find this all that amusing.


A
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:40 am

The above discovery courtesy of a Politijab.com researcher who found the template document!

see the whole story at the politijab.com forum.


A
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:43 am

“One of my friends in the small community of Obama “birther”-debunkers…”

Politijab.com!!!!!!!!!!!


justin57
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:47 am

Full story about the original document that Dave refers to can be found at: http://politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&…

The poster who goes by Koyaan is the guy who found the original Bomford document. He did an amazing sleuth job. Credit where credit is due… and it's definitely due here.


lkt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:50 am

That Louisiana one that you have on your blog is pretty good. The second one is just…funny. The loony troll that posted there, priceless.


lkt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:51 am

No, zax, YOU are the joke!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Why do you people keep trying to deceive others into looking at unrelated websites by lying about what's at your link?

What kind of cretin are you?

Can you not find someone who will let you dance around with a giant arrow at intersections, directing people to sales on major appliances?


jayseverinhasasmallpenis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:03 am

God that's funny.

Imagine….the birthers are relying on a Russian immigrant woman with an online law degree to 'save the Republic'.


neonzx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:04 am

“Stephen”, “Stephen”,

We speak truth to delusional birthers.


justin57
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:08 am

It's hardly “unrelated”. It's the actual information that Dave WROTE HIS ARTICLE ABOUT. If that's unrelated in your book, then you need a new dictionary. ;)


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JohnFLob
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:21 am

Well it's not impossible! {/sarc}


paulnashtn
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:26 am

Many of you are missing the MAIN point, the point is the total lockdown of ALL pertinent Obama documents. His birth certificate, his college admissions forms, his HIGH SCHOOL records, law office records, ect ect ect — he has totally hidden all records from his past WHY???????
And the same people that have a problem with those of us that question all of this are the very same people that absolutely believed those phony forged George Bush Air Force documents
The MSM and and their followers!!
p.s. I DO believe he is U.S. citizen, just want to know why the secrecy


Kevin Lately
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:28 am

*Birthers are thinly veiled as the new : “Koo Koo Kux Klan”. I feel very ashamed that this still exists in the 21 Century. We have a Very Qualified Black President ( U-can disagree with his policies but not his Legitimacy as our President). I think the Birhters have aborted Logic and replaced it with *Racism. If you believe BHO is not the Legal President of the USA. You were most Likely raised in a Racist environment and taught to hate!
Please step away from teaching & Preaching Hate.


lava lee pyre
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:32 am

the embossed “seal” looks too small, as well. Kind of looks like they rubbed the paper over a coin to make it look like an embossed seal.


Doc3
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:35 am

None of this changes the need for Obama to produce the vault records that the State of Hawaii has announced they are holding. Those records will confirm or not Obama's claim he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. The COLB is on par with the Kenyan birth certificate. Both on their own prove nothing. We all know the State of Hawaii has the vault birth records, and we all know Obama is refusing to release the records. This issue will continue until Obama stops hiding whatever it is he does not want to come out. Whether it is something embarrassing, or if it shows he lied (for example the records say he was born at home with no witnesses) all needs to come out. This should have been done by the Democratic Party before they placed his name on the primary ballot.


celcus
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:38 am

I like where they crossed out dog and wrote cat in with a crayon


Moses Bitel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:43 am

Obama is not an American citizen. No amount of nonsense denial can change that.


JB
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:45 am

I love how birthers are happy to use some Swiss philosophers (not legally binding and not the definition until after the Constitution was written) definition of Natural-born citizen that hasn’t been argued by the Supreme Court but they turn around and scream at Sotomayor and other judges for even checking actual international case law (also not binding but a lot more important than some Swiss guy’s ramblings about citizenship). IOKIYAR.


lava lee pyre
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:45 am

“The COLB is on par with the Kenyan birth certificate”
Except the Kenyan government says the Kenyan birth certificate is a forgery and the United States government says the COLB is real. Other than that, you're right, the two documents are exactly on par.

President Obama doesn't have to show you spit. Why don't you show us something to back up your allegations. Oh, that's right, you don't have any proof, do you?


Michael
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:50 am

paulnashtn

If you can find ANY of the documents you reference for the Previous President or for that matter any President in the last 60 years you let me know


richardcadena
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:51 am

i guess when your like WAY WACKY, you fail to realize that level headed people might pick your silly little scheme to pieces. great work. for anybody to actually believe that the old white men in power would allow such a falsehood to continue is in itself pretty stupid. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT THE REAL REASON FOR THESE BIRTHERS IS THAT THEY ARE RACIST TO THE CORE AND CANNOT STAND THAT FACT THAT WE –THE GOOD OLD UNITED STATES OF AMERICA–NOW HAS A BLACK MAN AS PRESIDENT.


richardcadena
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:53 am

i guess when your like WAY WACKY, you fail to realize that level headed people might pick your silly little scheme to pieces. great work. for anybody to actually believe that the old white men in power would allow such a falsehood to continue is in itself pretty stupid. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT THE REAL REASON FOR THESE BIRTHERS IS THAT THEY ARE RACIST TO THE CORE AND CANNOT STAND THAT FACT THAT WE –THE GOOD OLD UNITED STATES OF AMERICA–NOW HAS A BLACK MAN AS PRESIDENT.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:55 am

So many mistatements packed in this post. Lets deconstruct them and help our slow friend, Clem:

You realize it was the democrat party, after the Civil War that created the Klu Klux Klan, correct?

*** You realize that Party ideology can evolve (or devolve in the case of the modern Republican Party) over time, right? You probably would have been a Democrat 150 years ago and I would have been the Republican calling you on your BS trashtalking of Lincoln.

You also realize it was a Republican, Abe Lincoln who freed the slaves, correct?

*** See above. If Lincoln were alive today, which Party do you think he’d identify with? Doubtful it would be the Southern Old White Male Corporate Sponsored Republican Party…he was from Illinois, after-all.

You also realize that it was the Republicans who helped LBJ pass Civil Rights legislation while the democrats fought against it, correct?

***Excellent point! Back then, the Republican Party had moderates and even liberals. Back before the great purge and the long march back into obscurity. It was a coalition of progressives in both Parties that brought forth the Civil Rights legislation. If we had to pass Civil Rights legislation today, Republicans would be filibustering it.

You also realize that Republican Dr Martin Luther King was murdered by democrat James Earl Ray, correct?

***Yes, he was a Southern Dixiecrat, but, more importantly, he was a racist.

You also realize that the democrat party still have a very prominent Klan member in the US Senate, correct? Robert C Byrd of WV to be exact.

*** Amazing that people can change, eh? There’s hope for you, yet.

The democrat party founded the Ku Klux Klan as a domestic terrorist arm with the goal of destroying the Republican party. Go read some history.

***True, Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Confederate General who was a Democrat….what Party would old Nathan be hooked up with today? The Party of Barack Obama or Jeff Sessions? Think real hard about this one, Clem.

No one gives a damn that Obama is black, or half black, or actually half white, almost half Arab, with some black.

***Well, except you do – “He is also an evil bastard intent on destroying our great nation.”. C’mon…let your racist freak flag fly. You know you really hate black folks…I can almost hear Nathan channeling you…..

What we care about is Obama is an America hating communist bent on destroying everything good about America and turning it into a communist state. He is pure evil and has wiped his ass with the Constitution. He is intent on destroying liberty and freedom.

*** After having lived through the last administration’s trillion dollar taxcut for the rich, asleep at the wheel on 9/11, starting an illegal/immoral war based on lies, letting a US city drown, and implementing the most serious destruction of civil liberties… excuse me while I laugh at your concern about the Constitution. And please give us details on how Obama is turning us into a Communist state. I thought he was turning us into an Islamofacist Caliphate? Communism is pretty passe. But if Obama creates 24MM new jobs, like Clinton did…..maybe we could learn to love it, Comrade Clem!

All I know is Barack Obama has spent almost $1 million dollars with the law firm Perkins-Coie defending himself in all of the dozens of eligibility cases. Obama could get a certified copy of his original long form birth certificate for $10!

***All I know is that you have no idea what legal fees are generated to run a 50 state Presidential campaign. Did you figure this talking point out on your own, Clem?

Why then has he spent a million bucks, so far, when in September of 2007, when DEMOCRAT Phillip Berg filed the first lawsuit, he could have ended this for $10?

**Maybe he likes pulling your chain, Clem. Maybe he knows that no proof will ever satisfy birfers like you Clem. Maybe he wants to drive you bonkers, Clem.

Doesn’t make sense to me either.

***Having read your post, I understand why nothing makes sense to you, Clem.

Obama is a poseur and a usurper.

***You are racist, Clem. A sad, pathetic rube that is being exploited by corporate lobbyists to vote/act against your best interests. You are being manipulated by the same folks that have been cleaning out this country for decades and you aren’t bright enough to figure it out.

He is also an evil bastard intent on destroying our great nation.

***You are racist, Clem. A sad, pathetic rube that is being exploited by corporate lobbyists to vote/act against your best interests. You are being manipulated by the same folks that have been cleaning out this country for decades and you aren’t bright enough to figure it out.

Here’s more on Perkin-Coie

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jromano/2009/...

http://texas4palin.blogspot.com/2009/07/latest-...

Oh, and here is a video Barack Obama does NOT want you to see. They were going to IMPEACH Richard Nixon for a hell of a lot less that what he is involved in here. Especially with the payoffs.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13302

***You’re right Nixon would have been impeached for crimes he committed had he not had the good sense to put Gerald Ford in, resign, and then get himself pardoned. Everything else, is just unmitigated BS.

Barack Obama will prove to be one of the greatest Presidents this country has elected. It’ll drive you mad, Clem, but you’ll just have to remain on the short bus and let the adults handle the driving.


gary4205
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:56 am

You realize it was the democrat party, after the Civil War that created the Klu Klux Klan, correct?

You also realize it was a Republican, Abe Lincoln who freed the slaves, correct?

You also realize that it was the Republicans who helped LBJ pass Civil Rights legislation while the democrats fought against it, correct?

You also realize that Republican Dr Martin Luther King was murdered by democrat James Earl Ray, correct?

You also realize that the democrat party still have a very prominent Klan member in the US Senate, correct? Robert C Byrd of WV to be exact.

The democrat party founded the Ku Klux Klan as a domestic terrorist arm with the goal of destroying the Republican party. Go read some history.

No one gives a damn that Obama is black, or half black, or actually half white, almost half Arab, with some black.

What we care about is Obama is an America hating communist bent on destroying everything good about America and turning it into a communist state. He is pure evil and has wiped his ass with the Constitution. He is intent on destroying liberty and freedom.

All I know is Barack Obama has spent almost $1 million dollars with the law firm Perkins-Coie defending himself in all of the dozens of eligibility cases. Obama could get a certified copy of his original long form birth certificate for $10!

Why then has he spent a million bucks, so far, when in September of 2007, when DEMOCRAT Phillip Berg filed the first lawsuit, he could have ended this for $10?

Doesn't make sense to me either.

Obama is a poseur and a usurper.

He is also an evil bastard intent on destroying our great nation.

Here's more on Perkin-Coie

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jromano/2009/…

http://texas4palin.blogspot.com/2009/07/latest-…

Oh, and here is a video Barack Obama does NOT want you to see. They were going to IMPEACH Richard Nixon for a hell of a lot less that what he is involved in here. Especially with the payoffs.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13302


talkshowamerica
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:59 am

You would think, Doc3 , that this would be all the more reason why Obama should produce his vault copy of his BC, to end all this hoax BS, and for us to move on to other things, after all if Obama is indeed a “natural born citizen” then the vault copy will PROVE it. I believe that Obama's people themselves are keeping this going to distract from the HORRIBLE job Obama is doing and to distract attention from the direction of socialism this country is headed toward under Obama.

It's the only theory that makes sense.


KeyanMuslimsMakePoorLeaders
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:00 am

I haven't believed he is a ligitimate candidate when he was running for the primary nomination.

Maybe he was born in Hawaii, that doesn't automatically make him qualified either. He can be the biggest fraud and threat to the nation we have ever seen- despite being black.

I believe your the racist.


KeyanMuslimsMakePoorLeaders
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:00 am

I haven't believed he is a ligitimate candidate when he was running for the primary nomination.

Maybe he was born in Hawaii, that doesn't automatically make him qualified either. He can be the biggest fraud and threat to the nation we have ever seen- despite being black.

I believe your the racist.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:02 am

Think there’s a correlation between poor spelling/grammar and birfism? I do.


ynot4tony2
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:04 am

Kevin Lately said: “I think the Birhters have aborted Logic and replaced it with *Racism. If you believe BHO is not the Legal President of the USA. You were most Likely raised in a Racist environment and taught to hate!”

Are you stuck on stupid? Did it ever occur to you that such resentment and conspiracy mongering would have existed no matter who won the Presidency? Be it Barack Uh-uh-uh-bama, Hillary Clinton, or John McCain.

Don't believe it? Does “Vincent Foster and the trail of bodies” ring a bell? How about the fact that MORE DEMOCRATS believed Bush was complacent in 9-11 than Republicans who doubt Obama's country of birth?

So are you really that stupid that you think this is about racism? Or maybe it's because we've been saddled with a socialist who has never held a real job, unless you count being a disciple of Saul Alinsky and William Ayers…maybe THAT is why people want to embrace a theory that questions his legitimacy.

If you still think it's racism, do yourself a favor. Don't vote. Don't breed. Don't breath.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:07 am

Never held a real job?

He was a law firm associate at a large Chicago firm. He was also a law professor at the top law school in the country, for 12 years. Do you even know what you're talking about or do you just make things up as you go along?


O'Fraud
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:07 am

YOU ARE A DAMN RACIST, get ver yourslef with your RACIST RANTS. You ever think that some people believe in teh rule of Law and the Consitution?


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Innocent Bystander
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:12 am

To think like Doc3 and the rest of the birfers, you believe a Russian/Israeli emigrant and some unauthenticated document over the official State document of Hawaii. It’s very strange that these people who claim to love America so much, hate their fairly elected President, hate the 60MM people who voted for President Obama, hate Hawaiians – but love a lone nut baggess woth a heavy peroxide dyejob.

A shame Orly can’t run for President in 2012. :-0


nbc1
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 am

The party is over… What a major pwnage


nbc1
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 am

The party is over… What a major pwnage


Linda
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:14 am

LOL, you guys will believe anything.

The damn fold lines don't even match
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

thanks for taking the bait you fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ynot4tony2
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:15 am

Name one legal opinion he authored. Oh, snap! Got you there, didn't I?

And he was little more than a guest lecturer at University of Chicago Law School, hardly a “law professor”. It was during this time he was a…ahem…”community organizer”, Bill Ayers partner at Woods, AND Illinois State Senator who was also trying to run as U.S. Representative AND U.S. Senator. He was no law “professor”, and you're damn gullible to believe it.

Stop reading his glorified bio and think for yourself.


Hugh
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:19 am

Oh, socialism? Evil, evil. Get a grip, America – so-called “free market” capitalism has crashed and burned for 95% of Americans.

A mixed economy is the way forward. Doesn't have to be full-blooded socialism, or even as advanced as Japan's. But you've had socialism for years – like it or not. State-financed weapons industries, state-supported airlines and transport, government-funded roads, education, etc.

A little compassion from Americans, rather than the random psychopathic violence visited round the world, would go a long way to restoring the USA to a place worthy of respect.


WonkHussein
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:23 am

You do realize that all those Kluxers and garden variety racists in the “Democrat” party bolted to the Republicans after the Dems passed the Civil Rights Act legislation in the '60's? Right?

Good riddance.


Hugh
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Ah, Obama's destroying your freedom? Just like GWB maintained your “freedom” with the “PATRIOT” Act, etc.? Get a grip on reality, man. Start taking the meds again – they might help you.

Don't disagree about the D vs R 150 years ago, by the way. But since Reagan, Republicans have been on the side against the people, Democrats (nominally) for the people. Things change, even in the backward, ignorant US of A.


gary4205
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 am

Look, I tend to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, but you should understand that under Hawaiian Law in 1961 you could be born on MARS and get a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth, which is what Obama claims to have. It IS different than a birth certificate. Obama's sister from his mother's marriage to Lolo Soetoro was born in the Philippines and has the same Hawaiian Birth certificate Obama has. That's UNDISPUTED fact.

The certificate Obama had on his website was an obvious forgery.

Now I know, “FactChech.org” claims to have “verified” it, but FactCheck is bogus itself. This is part of the Annenberg group. The same group that funneled millions of dollars to Barack Obama and domestic murdering terrorist Bill Ayers when they sat on the boards of the Woods Fund and the Annenberg Challenge. Ayers was chair of both of these. Most of that money was funneled to ACORN. LOOK IT UP.

Again, Obama could have cleared ALL of this up almost 3 years ago by releasing his REAL birth certificate. Remember it was a DEMOCRAT who started all of this. Everyone else just started following a logical path.

Why in God's name has Obama spent a million bucks on this?

He IS hiding something.

The Constitution Article II Section 1 of the Constitution says:

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

Natural born means being born to TWO parents who were American citizens. On this point alone, Obama fails. His father was a British subject, and under British law and treaties of the day, Obama held dual citizenship at birth.

This may, or may not, disqualify Obama. Many think it does. But the Court must certainly rule on this. It's their constitutional duty.

Funny thing, Congress, including Obama, made a big stink about John McCain, who was born in Panama. Now, obviously McCain was born to two United States citizens. And Panama was US territory at the time. and yet, there was a big stink, and the Senate actually passed a non binding resolution declaring McCain “natural born”

Do any of you folks understand WHY the founders wanted someone to BE natural born before they could become President?

Well, the founders instinctively knew that a man or woman must feel total allegiance to America, and no other nation or cause, or they would not be fit for the office.

In this too, Obama is an Epic Failure. Obama HATES America in it's traditional form. Obama was raised by radical America hating communists. He was mentored by radical Frank Marshall Davis, and befriended by anti-American crazies like domestic terrorists Bill ayers and his insane preacher of 20 years the Rev Jeremiah “God Damn America' Wright.

Obama may, or may not actually be eligible to be POTUS. That is a case for the Supreme court. But one thing is for sure, he is NOT fit to be POTUS. He is nothing more that a Chicago street thug. He hates America, and calls our Constitution “deeply flawed”.

Epic Fail.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:28 am

Wow, that was fun. Lotsa exclamation points.

Now then, let's get back to looking at what is obviously the source of the forged Kenyan burf sirtifikat.


ALH
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:29 am

No, he was more than a “guest lecturer.” He was an adjunct professor, which means he taught Constitutional Law for U of C students. Yes, he was a community organizer. No, he didn't make legal opinion. Few lawyers do. Judges do. Did Ronald Reagan create law before being in politics? GWB? Of course not.

He ran as US congress considerably before he ran for Senate. I know. I live in Chicago. He lost his bid for Rep. Bobby Rush's congressional seat. Then he ran for senate.

Get your facts straight.


ALH
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:29 am

No, he was more than a “guest lecturer.” He was an adjunct professor, which means he taught Constitutional Law for U of C students. Yes, he was a community organizer. No, he didn't make legal opinion. Few lawyers do. Judges do. Did Ronald Reagan create law before being in politics? GWB? Of course not.

He ran as US congress considerably before he ran for Senate. I know. I live in Chicago. He lost his bid for Rep. Bobby Rush's congressional seat. Then he ran for senate.

Get your facts straight.


CincyCapell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:30 am

O'Fraud needs to “get ver” himself. He doesn't have any clue as to what ” teh rule of Law and the Consitution” means. He should also learn to read & write English. What a birther fool.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:33 am

He was not an adjunct professor either. This is what the University of Chicago actually has to say about the issue:

“The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as “Senior Lecturer.” From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.”


tina
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Birthers = Nazi Racists

Suck on that awhile.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Doofus. He worked at Sidley & Austin. Big Chicago-based mega firm. I clerked for their LA office as a summer associate.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Lawyers don't “author” “legal opinions.”

Judges do.

You can set up WHATEVER nonsensical bullshit you want.

Obama taught constitutional law AS A PROFESSOR at U of Chicago. He was not a “guest lecturer.”

Read the U of Chicago's own words:

“From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year.

Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching.”

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/28/132341/045

“Oh, snap! Got you there, didn't I?”

Get a life, doofus.


greymase
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:35 am

I didn't expect any reasonable comments here, Hugh. Thank you. I totally agree. No sarcasm at all. Thank you for exceeding my expectations.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:35 am

Define “legal opinion.”

Every lawyer, law student and law professor authors “opinions” on various legal issues. A formal “opinion” is commonly referred to rulings written by judges though, so I don't really know what you're talking about since we all agree that Obama has never been a judge.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:36 am

I think we were posting at the same time, Neil.

Good going!


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:38 am

How is Obama supposed to release vault records that he doesn't actually have?


Ward
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:39 am

Could be. Could also be a fake source document template. In this day and age who's to say Koyaan didn't do a one-off on the Kenyan document submitted to the court? Just saying.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:39 am

YOU “get ver yourslef” and get serious about combating that dyslexia.


jsnbase
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:41 am

If 'all you know' is that Obama has spent $1 million dollars fighting this you don't know anything.

It isn't true. It's speculation with no actual evidence, like everything else the birfers have come up with.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:43 am

If you say “Maybe he was born in Hawaii, that doesn't automatically make him qualified,”

then…

“I believe your the” doofus. Because you don't understand basic citizenship law.

Also, “I believe your” a bad speller.

I say that for a “ligitimate” reason.


buddhistMonkey
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:48 am

Sure you do. Prove it. To my satisfaction. Moron.


buddhistMonkey
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:48 am

Sure you do. Prove it. To my satisfaction. Moron.


ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Judges author legal opinions. Stop showing off your ignorance.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:51 am

“All I know is Barack Obama has spent almost $1 million dollars with the law firm Perkins-Coie defending himself in all of the dozens of eligibility cases.”

No. That isn't true. So, by your own admission, you don't know a damned thing.

Obama's FEC quarterly filing shows a large sum going to a large law firm named Perkins Coie. It is a one line entry. The filing shows every expense the Obama campaign incurred or paid (not clear which) in a quarter (undefined as to months or year covered).

It is not broken out by matter worked on or by time spent working or by how many attorneys were engaged. It just, literally, says Obama paid a law firm X dollars.

You do not have any basis to suspect that any or all of that sum went to defend birther suits.

EVERY major candidate for President, even the way-siders like Fred Thompson and John Edwards, to say nothing of McCain and Clinton, engaged large law firms to handle the myriad legal issues that come up in a national campaign.

Unless you look at McCain and Clinton as well as Obama, you know nothing of context; $1 million in legal fees, even if I granted that was true, is NOT a big deal for a national campaign that generates $300 million in contributions. It's less than 1/3 of one percent!

And unless you know what the firm was billing for, you're just speculating as to whether the money went to birther suits.

The figure is pulled out of thin air. Read what Politico reported way back in March 2009 about Gary Kreep, Alan Keyes's California lawyer, made up about Obama's fees:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19450…

While you're at it, read what Politico reports about conservatives trying to rid themselves of birthers (same article as above link):

“The conservative talk show host Michael Medved recently referred to the movement's leaders as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters” who are “the worst enemy of the conservative movement.”

“It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company,” he mourned.

One of the lead anti-Obama lawyers, Orly Taitz, a California dentist with a degree from an online law school, promptly threatened to sue Medved for defamation.”

Enjoy!


ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:52 am

Yes, he is. He has exactly the same sort of certification of birth that I do, and I'm a seventh generation American who is eligible to join the DAR.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:54 am

How can you tell when a politician (any party by the way) is lying ???

Their lips are moving…!!

Want an enjoyable read ? The Federalist Papers.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:54 am

How can you tell when a politician (any party by the way) is lying ???

Their lips are moving…!!

Want an enjoyable read ? The Federalist Papers.


ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:54 am

And the Republicans and the Democrats have switched positions on virtually everything over the past 150+ years since the Civil War. Or didn't they teach you that in Birther Civics Class?


richardcadena
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:54 am

hi precious, yea- i do believe that some people believe in teh rule of las and the constitution–just not the wingnuts/birthers. you brighten my day with your silliness. next you'll be saying that Barack can't be prez cause he's a negro and –”well you know–their not really humans”.
get over it. he is the prez and yes–HE IS YOUR PRESIDENT!!!!!


ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:56 am

What's even funnier is that not long ago the birthers would have scorned Orly Taitz as a possible Russian spy, or possibly as an Evil Jew. Now they think she's the fount of all wisdom because she got a worthless law degree from a diploma mill

*shakes head*


tegrat
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:56 am

Just in case you didn't know, it is quite common for Kenyan bureaucrats to take on an Australian bureaucrat's last name as a sort of tip 'o the hat their Australian friends. Next time do some research, for God's sake…


ice9
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:59 am

See the real fake at http://storyarc.squarespace.com/vault-copy-obam…

ice9


richardcadena
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:59 am

LEMME SEE HERE–IF HE'S ALL THAT AND ALL POWERFUL–WHY O WHY CAN'T HE STOP THE VIEWING OF THIS SO CALLED VIDEO TO END ALL VIDS. HMMM, DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE DOES IT.


richardcadena
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:59 am

LEMME SEE HERE–IF HE'S ALL THAT AND ALL POWERFUL–WHY O WHY CAN'T HE STOP THE VIEWING OF THIS SO CALLED VIDEO TO END ALL VIDS. HMMM, DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE DOES IT.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Although Weigel has lied and misled about other, non-Kenya aspects of this issue, he might have gotten this one right.

Say, if any HotAir readers want to see how Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit are hurting the GOP at the same time as they refuse to bust the MSM for obvious lies, see this.

Apparently Ed and Allahpundit think you have to engage in “birther theories” to point out that the MSM has made a long series of factual errors in their reporting on this issue. For instance, CNN just made something up, claiming that HI's governor had said something she never said.

And, Ed and Allahpundit refuse to take the MSM to task over that, despite the fact that you don't have to engage in “birther theories” to do it. Let them know what you think.


Gregory Kulacki
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Are you the David Weigel from CIEE Nanjing?


Cavythegerbil
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Aren't we special … Did you win the spelling bee as a child? … Did your Mother not teach you that it's impolite to point (retorically speaking of course) … Oh darn … I forgot … all “youse” progressives are air heads … you can not help it. Please correct my post and let me know where my errors are. “Youse is so smarts” Thanx


floridafish
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:04 am

Well, how damn gullible do you think we are ynot? You're the one that implied he had never had a job and then you asked what legal opinion's he authored. So which is it moron. He either did or didn't have a job because you can't have it both ways..

Talking with Republicans is like talking to my dead aunt Thelma. They have not a clue.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:06 am

I'll do you the courtesy of letting you pick at your own scabs in relative obscurity.

But if you post something here that is plainly disingenuous, in which you insult others while denying the reality that we all see around us, then I will not refrain from mocking you in the course of pointing out the error of your pretzel logic.

That's what happens when you make a name like “KenyanMuslimsMakePoorLeaders.” You attract attention. It's what you wanted. Just not the kind of attention you wanted.

You can't spell “rhertorically.” So I won't bore you with my spelling bee exploits.

Thanx


Alan
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:09 am

Your heart is your best compass. Love is the supreme expression of life, it is the essence and ground of all creation.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:09 am

Stop slandering David Weigel.

You continue to assert, baselessly, that he lied or misled someone. Multiple people have called you on it. Have you no shame?


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:10 am

the birth certificate is not the issue. In “Dreams of my Father”,Obama says his father was a UK subject. The constitution says both parents have to be “Natural Born ” American citizens. He does not meet that ” ONE THING” plus all the money he has spent to not release anything. Thats the reason people think something is not right. It is not just left, right, dems, rep. It is most of America.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 am

Obama is the legitimate and duly-elected President of the United States.

“No amount of nonsense denial can change that.”


yoyo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 am

As an australian born in 1966, I can confirm that this is what my birth certificate looks like, the only amusing thing is watching this weird witch from russia run with it.


grizzie47
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 am

and the 1st national Imperial Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan was that distinguished democrat,disgruntled Southerrn General,Nathan Bedford Forrest-whom the north had Custer and the 7th cavaly chase all over the south and could never catch lol-


News Nag
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:16 am

It is NOT most of America. It is a wacko 25%, of which you are right in the wacko middle of. And both parents do NOT have to be natural born citizens. You are seriously wacko'd out on even the basic facts. It's too bad you don't have the desire (or is it that you don't have the simple intelligence?) to find out even the first fact about what you are trying to talk about.

I think if someone is as dumb as you, it would have been better if you hadn't been born, period.


NewsCorpse
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:19 am

I don’t care where you scrub toilets, you obviously don’t know anything about acquiring passports.

However, I am glad to hear that you have a job, because I believe in hiring the mentally handicapped.


NewsCorpse
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:19 am

I don’t care where you scrub toilets, you obviously don’t know anything about acquiring passports.

However, I am glad to hear that you have a job, because I believe in hiring the mentally handicapped.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:19 am

You should reread the constitution. It says NOTHING about the parents at all. It says the person who is president must be a “natural born citizen”


Eugenia
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:20 am

Please provide a link to that because I just reviewed the Constitution and I didn't see that anywhere


btok
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:21 am

Yes, I knew it was a ringer from the first we laid eyes on it! It was created to distract and discredit! Regardless, just because the world consists of hoaxers – this does not make the argument that Barack, Barry Obama may have possibly been born in in Kenya any less relevant!

The old psyop Illuminatti trick of making the water muddy won't work here! The whole point of this is that Birthers' are demanding to see the” actual original legal birth cetificate and track records”, of Barack Hussein Obama, regardless of which country his records come from as called for in compliance with the Constitution of The United States of America as provisions to qualify to be the President of The United States of America! I don't know why it is that Barack won't or can't produce his? If he has lost his Birth Certificate and Documents, Departments of Statistics in all countries of the world usually produce the certificate that backs up their legal files of registrations in that country! I have mine and a baptism certificate as well and it has been around for a while ! Most people I speak with and ask all have one or sure quickly know how to retrieve one from their Federal Government!
What is going on here? Just how stupid does Barack, his Government, Czars and Global Elitist friends think the American citizens are? You know what? I think they are in for a surprise! They have already hung themselves several times within the law of Treason and don't even have the faculty of mind to realize it!

In addition to all that a writer tpgrow on this webpage has already brought up a true fact, “In “Dreams of my Father”,Obama says his father was a UK subject. The constitution says both parents have to be “Natural Born ” American citizens.” This checked out legally in it's self should be enough to remove Obama from the Whitehouse!

Now lets' Audit and Abolish the Fed Make sure your Congressmen support Bill HR1207 and that your Senators support Bill S604 . It is well passed time to' clean House folks!


Frank Zsoldos
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:21 am

The currency on the “Kenyan” birth certificate is also wrong. The figure in the upper left — “7s. 6d.” — is part of the pre-decimalization, pound/shilling/pence system used in the U.K. and Australia until the late 60's. (“d” was a Latinate abbreviation for pence, and was changed to “p” once decimalization occurred.) Kenya's currency in 1964, however, was completely different. It was the Kenyan shilling, divided into 100 cents. If the cost of the document were 7 Kenyan shillings and 6 Kenyan cents, this would have been written as 7' 6


Jim
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:21 am

The Constitution says that a candidate for president must be a “natural born Citizen,” at least 35 years of age and at least 14 years a resident within the United States, which would include someone born in the US (such as Obama) and/or the child of an American citizen (such as Obama).


Jim
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:21 am

The Constitution says that a candidate for president must be a “natural born Citizen,” at least 35 years of age and at least 14 years a resident within the United States, which would include someone born in the US (such as Obama) and/or the child of an American citizen (such as Obama).


wandering_joe
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:22 am

If you could cite your reference for “both parents have to be “Natural Born”. I have posted this excerpt for your reference.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


Eugenia
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:24 am

And your credibility? Dave uses his real name, you don't.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:25 am

Now the question occurs; Who would gain from producing such an easily exposed fraud? I would ask how Orly was so easily duped, but most of us know the answer to that. What amazes me is that WND was taken in by the same hoax.

Could WND still have an ace up their sleeve we don't know about?

Full document here:

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/08/wnd-a…


reality-based person
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:25 am

Er,

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5:

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

I don't see the part about both parents; where in the Constitution is that written again?….


reality-based person
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:25 am

Er,

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5:

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

I don't see the part about both parents; where in the Constitution is that written again?….


Douglas McClean
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:26 am

Celcus wins the thread! I forgot all about the fish license sketch. Luckily, Orly Taitz and her friends in the Kenyan Ministry of Housinge are around to find the real documents.


Melanie Mink
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:27 am

The Constitution says no such thing about both parents having to be natural born citizens for a child born on US soil to be a natural born citizen himself. Quit pulling stuff out of your butt.


FauxReal
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:28 am

tpgow you are wrong. The Constitutional requirement to be President is:

Age and Citizenship requirements – US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

The only time the requirement that both parents be U.S. Citizens is when the child is born outside the United States and it isn't in the Constitution. Hawaii is not outside the U.S. To break it down for you:

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


Nardwilly
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:31 am

You are a liar. The constitution does not define the phrase natural born. It has een defined in the US according to English common law.


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:31 am

NEWS FLASH! NEWS NAG…..If in fact you had facts you would have posted a fact. Though the constitution has never defined the “Natural Born” SCOTUS has in Wong Kim Ark. SCOYUS defined “Natural Born” by BOTH(2) must be citizens please educate yourself in case law!
The SC has to date (Wong Kim Ark) ONLY upheld citizenship of “Natural Born” as 2
parents being US citizens. NOT 1 parent as US citizen and 1 parent being
non-citizen as in Obama’s father case. Also, (Wong Kim Ark) couldn’t be used as
a defense to Obama because: The Supreme Court did not rule that Mr. Ark was a
natural born citizen. It merely ruled that he was a citizen. Even if Barack
Obama’s circumstances at birth were identical to those of Mr. Ark, the Wong Kim
Ark decision would, at most, only convey citizenship to the President. It would
not convey natural born citizenship, which is what the President needs in order
to be eligible to hold office (SCOTUS in ‘Wong Kim Ark’).
Mr. Ark was granted citizenship because, at the time of Mr. Ark’s birth, his
parents had “permanent domicile and residence” in the United States and was
“carrying on business” in the United States. President Obama’s father did not
meet these conditions. He was not a permanent resident and he was not doing
business in the U.S. He was merely visiting the U.S. temporarily, presumably on
a student visa, for the purpose of getting an American education.
To summarize, we know for sure that persons born in the U.S., of parents who are
U.S. citizens, are definitely, without doubt, natural born citizens. So far, the
Supreme Court has not decided whether natural born citizenship also includes
U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents.
Thanks For Playing!


freedomtoopine
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:31 am

Here is the exact language out of the constitution it clearly only requires the president be natural born, it does not say anything about the president's parents. If you are going to believe a conspiracy theory like this at least take three seconds to look online for the “facts” you think support your theory.

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.” available at http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constit…


wandering_joe
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:32 am

Again, where in the constitution does it state that both parents have to be “natural born citizens”. If you could actually show in any government document the definition of “natural born citizen” I will give you a cookie.


btok
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Yes, I believe I made an error at any rate I stand to be corrected or informed as such but I believe that is true as long as an individual has been born in the United States of America or it's Territories a “Natural born citizen” !

Naybe we should copy and post the, Constitution of The United States of America , on this site so we can all check that part out? :>)


reality-based person
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:35 am

heh.

Okay, I'll bite. I actually *do* believe that Bush was “complacent” in 9-11 (cf. August 6th PDB, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US,” and Suskind's reporting in his 2006 book: “And, at an eyeball-to-eyeball intelligence briefing during this urgent summer, George W. Bush seems to have made the wrong choice. He looked hard at the panicked CIA briefer. ‘All right,’ he said. ‘You’ve covered your ass, now.’”)

But I'll bet that's not what you meant, is it? (You probably didn't mean for me not to “breath” either. Oh well.)


Nardwilly
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Can't site case law, but I know there is a child in Chicago whose mother is an undocumented alien, but he is a cirtizen. It was a big story in the Chicago papers.

But it has nothing to do with POTUS Obama.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Weigel knows perfectly well who I am, since he wrote a post about me and then refused to approve a comment I left showing how he was wrong.

Also, you can find my real name in all the entries I posted here: michellemalkin.com/immigration/2005/05

Consider thinking before posting.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:41 am

WND posted an article on 8.23.2008 confirming that the COLB Obama provided is authentic.

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Could WND have an ace up their sleeve? Buy their video for $18.99 and tell us, Aristotle.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:42 am

I'm not aware of anyone presenting a valid, factual, logical, intellectually-honest counter-argument to anything I've written about Weigel. You can try this. See if you can find any supporting evidence for either of the first two statements Weigel made that I discuss at that link.

To make it even easier: Weigel claimed that Hawaiian officials said the cert on BHO's site wasn't forged. Can anyone find anything – besides the HI spokeswoman who reversed herself on the same Politifact page – that backs up Weigel's claim? I call him a liar because… he's lied. Hawaiian officials didn't say the picture on BHO's site wasn't forged, even if Weigel thinks they did.


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Faux, not wrong I suggest you learn case law. There are 2 definitions of “Natural Born” Constitutional and statutory which would fall under USC. SCOTUS has already defined (2) parents defines it in the constitution which is what is in play regarding “O's” citizenship. Let me type this slowly so you understand!
“Natural Born” is not defined in the constitution nor
any federal law only inelligibility guidelines. So far, Congress has not passed
any law that defines “natural born citizen”. In 1790, Congress passed the
Naturalization Act of 1790, which extended the meaning of “natural born citizen”
to include the foreign-born children of U.S.-citizen parents:
And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the
sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural
born citizens (Naturalization Act of 1790)
Five years later, Congress repealed the 1790 Act and replaced it with the
Naturalization Act of 1795. The wording of the 1795 Act was essentially the same
as the 1790 Act, except that the term “natural born citizens” was deleted and
replaced with “citizens”.
Thereafter, Congress has passed laws that convey American citizenship to certain
people at birth, but Congress never again passed any law that explicitly
clarified, defined or extended the meaning of natural born citizenship. Senate
Bill S.2128 was supposed to define “natural born citizen”, but it was never
enacted. The bill was referred to the Judiciary Committee in 2004, where it has
remained ever since. In 2008, the Senate passed Resolution 511 regarding
Presidential candidate John McCain’s natural born citizenship, but the
resolution was nonbinding and had no legal effect.
Every U.S. President who was born after 1787 — except President Barack Obama
and President Chester Arthur — was born in the United States, to parents who
were both U.S. citizens. The general public did not learn until recently that,
when Chester Arthur was born, his father was not a U.S. citizen. The 2008
election is the first time in American history that America knowingly elected a
post-1787-born President whose parents were not both U.S. citizens.
When Chester Arthur ran for Vice President and later President, he told outright
lies and burned historical records, to conceal the fact that, although he was
born in the United States, his father was a British Subject and not a U.S.
citizen at the time of his (President Arthur’s) birth. If “natural born citizen”
means anyone born in the United States, regardless of parental citizenship, why
did Chester Arthur go through so much trouble to convince the public that his
parents were U.S. citizens when he was born? It is inconceivable that Chester
Arthur would have taken such extraordinary measures, unless he believed that his
birth to non-citizen parents made him ineligible to serve as VP or President.
The SC has to date (Wong Kim Ark) ONLY upheld citizenship of “Natural Born” as 2
parents being US citizens. NOT 1 parent as US citizen and 1 parent being
non-citizen as in Obama’s father case. Also, (Wong Kim Ark) couldn’t be used as
a defense to Obama because: The Supreme Court did not rule that Mr. Ark was a
natural born citizen. It merely ruled that he was a citizen. Even if Barack
Obama’s circumstances at birth were identical to those of Mr. Ark, the Wong Kim
Ark decision would, at most, only convey citizenship to the President. It would
not convey natural born citizenship, which is what the President needs in order
to be eligible to hold office (SCOTUS in ‘Wong Kim Ark’).
Mr. Ark was granted citizenship because, at the time of Mr. Ark’s birth, his
parents had “permanent domicile and residence” in the United States and was
“carrying on business” in the United States. President Obama’s father did not
meet these conditions. He was not a permanent resident and he was not doing
business in the U.S. He was merely visiting the U.S. temporarily, presumably on
a student visa, for the purpose of getting an American education.
To summarize, we know for sure that persons born in the U.S., of parents who are
U.S. citizens, are definitely, without doubt, natural born citizens. So far, the
Supreme Court has not decided whether natural born citizenship also includes
U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents.
Now regarding what you stated of the federal statute there is “Constitutional”
and “Statutory” natural born citizens as follows:
“Constitutional natural born citizen” refers to the term “natural born citizen”
when it appears in the Constitution or in a Constitution-related document such
as a Supreme Court decision. It refers to the meaning of “natural born citizen”
in the Constitution, whatever the Supreme Court ultimately decides such meaning
to be.
“Statutory natural born citizen” refers to someone who is deemed a “natural born
citizen” as a result of a Federal or State law.
Currently, there is no Federal law that explicitly defines “natural born
citizen” or explicitly conveys “natural born citizenship” to anyone. However,
existing laws are sometimes understood or interpreted as conveying natural born
citizenship to certain individuals at birth. At this point, we do not pass
judgment on these understandings and interpretations. We merely say that, if
someone is deemed to be a “natural born citizen” pursuant to a law or statute,
we refer to such person as a “statutory natural born citizen”.
A statutory natural born citizen is not necessarily the same thing as a
Constitutional natural born citizen. The U.S. State Department warns against
confusing the two concepts:
…the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does
not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional
purposes in U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual — 7 FAM 1130
If we were to define “natural born citizen” to mean anyone who is a “citizen at
birth”, our definition of “natural born citizen” would be statutory because it
would depend on the statute or law which defines “citizen at birth”. Under
existing law, all children born in the United States (except the children of
foreign diplomats) are “citizens at birth”. Therefore, under existing law,
almost all children born in the U.S. — including children of illegal immigrants
– could be regarded as statutory natural born citizens.
However, H.R.1940, also known as the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007, would
change the existing law so that it would no longer grant “citizenship at birth”
to children of illegal immigrants. If Congress were to pass H.R.1940, it would
alter the meaning of “citizen at birth”, and therefore would alter our statutory
definition of natural born citizen. If H.R.1940 were enacted, the U.S.-born
children of illegal immigrants could no longer be regarded as statutory natural
born citizens.
To summarize:
“Statutory natural born citizen” is the meaning of “natural born citizen” when
such meaning depends on a Federal or State law. As Federal and State laws
change, the meaning of “statutory natural born citizen” changes accordingly.
“Constitutional natural born citizen” is the meaning of “natural born citizen”
as used in the Constitution.
If Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, he could be regarded as a statutory natural
born citizen. But a statutory natural born citizen is not necessarily a
Constitutional natural born citizen. And therein the problem lies.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:47 am

Since this post is probably getting a lot of HotAir readers, I urge them to see the earlier comments I left down below.

I mean, seriously: why the heck is HotAir promoting David Schuster? Aren't they smart or creative enough to think up an angle that wouldn't involve promoting MSNBC?


FauxReal
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:47 am

How about doing some research. The University of Chicago law school issued a statement because they were getting so many inquiries. Obama was a professor.

The University of Chicago says that Obama is entitled to describe himself as a professor during his time teaching there

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/deadlineusa/200…

I cannot believe this is still a talking point. But I'm glad to set you straight since you've been the gullible one.


Eugenia
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:49 am

Oh, I did think. However, I am not all that interested in who you are, since I know what you are..a liar and a spammer.


schnurrbart
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:51 am

It is funny that so many complain about Obama and where he was alledgedly born. However, it took Senate action to ensure that the republican candidate, John McCain, was eligible since he was born outside the US and a full year before Congress ruled that people born of American parents outside the US were “natural born”. I just wish that the courts would put a hefty price tag on these suits and apply it to the national debt.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:53 am

If you have a valid, factual, logical, intellectually-honest counter-argument to anything I've written about this issue, let me know. Otherwise, please stop making noise.


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:55 am

John McCain on;y became an issue to take the heat off of “O” . McCain was NEVER an issue because BOTH of his parents were US Citizens and a military base or embassy ANYWHERE in the world is considered american soil!


aleks
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:59 am

Orly Taintz is gonna do you for this, as soon as she settles with Moose and Squirrel.


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Amy R.
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:02 am

face it liberals, your messiah Obama is BUSTED.
This is proof he was born in Africa, and no ammount of liberal lies and spin will discredit this very authentic document. Obama will be exposed, deported, and the Republicans will fix the damage he wrought on our country.


rogerrramjet
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:07 am

Geez I sure hope you are being sarcastic because I can't quite figure it out. IF you really believe this, then…..welllll.

IF you are being sarcastic, seems a bit over the top.


Bob
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:09 am

“Who would gain from producing such an easily exposed fraud?”

Anyone looking for quick buck. The screen name “InspectorSmith” comes to mind….


I like the way Shnrubb thinks
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:10 am

Yeah, Liberals, why can't you just face the facts? Like good old AMY here, who really seems to have a headlock on reality.

This document IS irrefutable proof, and Obama will be deported. Anyone who can't see that is COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL.


Coffacuppee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:10 am

No, no — nobody needs to post the Constitution. It is readily available at zillions of places online, in libraries, in schools, and in museums. Go and read it for yourself. We all have access and there's no need for additional clutter here. Stay on topic. Go find it.


Lulu LaChaCha
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:11 am

Oooh, I'm shaking! Please. You people can't even make a convincing forged birth certificate.


rogerrramjet
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:12 am

Uh NO there is no problem.

Do loosen your tinfoil hat.

There has been NO Constitutional definition of “natural born” and no one gives a flying f.

That so called explanation of your was just more birther nonsense.


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Lulu LaChaCha
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:14 am

Also, McCain was white and conservative, so the birthers weren't concerned.


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:16 am

Wandering_Joe GIVE ME MY COOKIE. BEST WAY TO GET TO A LIBERAL CONFUSE THEM WITH FACTS AND DOCUMENTS


rogerrramjet
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:16 am

Hey, TP loosen your tinfoil hat. You haven't shown anything. Stop reaching.


AmazingKata
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:18 am

Really? Well, I sure hope that Orally Taintz tries to introduce this “document” in a court of law. What's the sentence for faking evidence? LOL, please please PLEASE try to take this “document” to court! We Liberals are begging you.


Jarz
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:18 am

Are you tragedy or farce? I can't tell!


rogerrramjet
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:20 am

Stop rewriting SCOTUS interpretations. I'm not going to even bother trying to show you just had badly wrong you are, you DON'T want to be wrong, so nothing will dissuade you but keep living in your delusional world that you understand what the SCOTUS “really” meant. The rest of us can read English just fine (and better than you)

I've read the case law cited and you haven't got a clue, but keep deluding yourself. You can only help keep democrats in office and Obama another four years by keeping up this idiocy.


superdaveTWC
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:22 am

Furthermore, McCain was born in Panama which, at the time of his birth until the Carter Administration, was US territory due to the fact that the US built the Panama Canal after the French surrendered to an army of mosquitos.


reality-based person
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:22 am

Here you go, btok. Enjoy:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/const…

I'm always in favor of folks getting informed. ;-)


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:24 am

LULU Why do you have to bring race in to it People should be judged by their character not their race.


labman57
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:25 am

Hey Orly, hear that flushing sound…?

Yep, it's your legal career headed where it belongs…


noway2no
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:26 am

If the forgers movement had a small amount of the curiosity regarding the fake COLB that was purported to prove the usurpers eligibility as they do for this document we could have an interesting conversation.

Alas, only things and events that comport with their dogma is worthy of consideration. No critical thinking.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:27 am

If you're a HotAir reader who's wondering why HotAir is promoting David Schuster, it gets even worse: HotAir is passing up a golden opportunity to discredit the MSM and groups like the SPLC. And, they can do that without engaging in any “birther theories”. All HotAir would have to do would be to tell the truth, and they could help me discredit far-left groups like the SPLC.

A few weeks ago, CNN broadcast a report that outrageously lied: they claimed that HI's governor had verified that Obama was born there. Just one problem: HI's governor has never issued a statement verifying that Obama was born there. Not only that, but HI's governor sends out a form letter in which she points out that it would be illegal for her to verify Obama was born there.

And, you don't have to engage in “birther theories” to point out that CNN lied: all you have to do is tell the truth. HI's governor never issued the statement that CNN claimed. That's very cut-and-dried, and doesn't involve “birther theories”.

Unfortunately, the problem is that people like Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit can't (or won't) see that. Rather than smacking down the MSM, they're promoting MSNBC. They need your help: write them and try to help them understand that – without engaging in “birther theories” – they can help me discredit the MSM.

Note also that several other sources went on to rely on CNN's report. In fact, the SPLC – in their press release calling for Lou Dobbs to be fired – referred to it as an example of good journalism. I want CNN to issue a correction, and that would help make CNN, several other MSM sources, and the SPLC look bad. Why isn't HotAir helping me in that but is instead promoting MSNBC? Write them and ask.


Udontnome
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:28 am

“Birthers” are chemically imbalanced nut jobs holding on for dear life to anything that they feel will get the first black president out of office. The issue with the birth certificate is just a cover for the over abundant amount of prejudice that runs rampant among them. The longer they press this issue, the more they look unstable. Neo-Consvervatives cant say they hate black people for fear of repercussions from the more logical and sane public……so they latch on to anything, no matter how stupid it sounds. I consider myself an independent, I don't agree with some things both Democrats and Republicans do. I am white, so there is no bias as to defending Obama as president. But watching from the sidelines, the “birthers” are more of a circus freek show than a group of concerned citizens with a legitimate gripe and this will alienate the Republican party further in the depths of extreme right wing-ism. It is becoming more of a cult following than a political party. Acquaintances from Europe find it comical that such a large movement of idiots exist while I am embarrassed at how some Americans can be such uneducated imbeciles.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:29 am

Don’t you ever get anything right? I didn’t find it at all. Hanen found it before the Politijab post.

GEEZ!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:29 am

Don’t you ever get anything right? I didn’t find it at all. Hanen found it before the Politijab post.

GEEZ!


labman57
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:34 am

Every time a birther is shown a web link to, or hard copy of Obama's official birth certificate (you know, the one that is recognized by the federal government when applying for a passport), they pull the equivalent of a 9-year old covering his ears and shouting “nyah, nyah, nyah, I can't hear you!”

You can lead right wingers to the truth, but you cannot make them embrace it.

Each state has its own standard for an official record of birth.

You have to look at the motivations of the majority of the birthers to understand why they simply cannot “let go”. Fundamentally, it comes down to the following mindset: “I cannot accept THAT man in the White House because…. (fill in the blank).”

Just about ANY reason will do — any excuse that will legitimize their race-based outrage.  If it wasn't about a birth certificate, it would be about his middle name. (He's a closet Muslim, you know.)

In addition, there are a handful of unscrupulous politicians and pundits who, although not necessarily racist themselves, have no problem capitalizing on the bigotry of others by fueling their fear and hatred of Obama in order to score political points or further a personal agenda.

The birther phenomenon is intended to damage the validity of the Obama Administration, but it will instead diminish the credibility of the conservative base so long as its members continue to give credence to the deluded fantasy that the POTUS was not born in Hawaii.


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:34 am

Other countries have always thought Americans were stupid. Then they went to the polls on 09/08 and proved the other countries were right.


brasky
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:34 am

Obama IS the President. Get over it!


azjeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:37 am

LOL Still on the racism thing? Sorry but it has lost it's power as the ultimate excuse for failures. Now a loser is simply a loser. In any color.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:38 am

COLB is not accepted for a US Passport get your facts right


noway2no
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:38 am

Why do obots always resort to the lowest form of argument? An ad hominem attack requires no basis other than the attackers own prejudice.

It is clear that all the calls of racism and questioning others mental capacity is merely projection. Dim-witted racists, like seotoro/obama/whowever-he-is and his supporters here, embody the traits they decry in others.


superdaveTWC
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:40 am

As a scientist (yes, Ph.D. and all that), I am skeptical of EVERYTHING!!! I am skeptical of Obama's “natural born citizen” due to the fact that he could have ended the controversy months ago by providing an ACTUAL birth certificate which includes the hospital of birth and the attending physician. I am skeptical of the “Birthers'” claims due to the fact that they are all conservatives and libertarians who have always opposed Obama and, since the election (in which I held my nose and voted for McCain), have been grasping to straws as vehemently as hard-core Al Gores have beeen doing since the 2000 election!!!

In short, I don't know. I haven't been convinced one way or the other (come on Obama, be as TRANSPARENT as you promised during your campaign!!!).

Both extremes seem to be hiding stuff for example, in the Cook case in which the Birthers neglect to disclose that Cook volunteered for deployment, therefore, when the case was dropped it was NOT because Obama would not disclose his “true” birth certificate, but because Army regulations (I am an Army civilian scientist and a National Guard Soldier for full disclosure) say that an officer who volunteers for deployment can opt out of the deployment before his deployment date!!!

In the middle, the rotten fish smell lingers, but its location cannot be determined.


Hugh
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:40 am

Totally wrong. The rest of the world breathed a sigh of relief that US citizens had finally got a collective IQ higher than room temperature.

The way the American people accepted the stolen 2000 and 2004 confirmed the world's view that Americans are stupid gutless cowards whose only skill is using high technology to destroy other people.

I suggest you learn something about other countries and their attitudes before you start mouthing off about things you don't understand.

Oh, and what happened in 09/08 (you mean September 2008, I take it)? I thought the polls were in November?


Sherrill
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:41 am

Yes it is.


Sherrill
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Well, according to this alleged birth certificate, both of Obama's parents were citizens of the US. And, no, military bases in other parts of the world are NOT automatically considered US soil.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:47 am

COLB = Birth Certificate in Hawaii & is accepted as proof of citizenship.

Aloha


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:48 am

I suggest all you libs on here get Kevin Jackson's book “THE BIG BLACK LIE”. Lincoln never freed the slaves because the dems have kept them slaves for years living on the dole. The dems do not like black people they just want you to think they are on your side, for your vote. WAKE UP!!! The dems take your dignity and self worth from you. All people are created equal and have a fair shot to achieve in the USA think about it


Peter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:48 am

Ironic that the birthers forge a BC after accusing Obama of doing it.


Till
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:49 am

Good job explaining what’s actually happening in America.


Till
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:49 am

Good job explaining what’s actually happening in America.


Udontnome
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:49 am

Its the only logical explanation that could explain why this issue…is well….still an issue. Any educated person that graduated school would know that the birth certificate provided by the “birthers” is not real. There are a few people that I know personally that believe that Obama was born in Africa AND he is Muslim. 2 of them are rednecks so you really cant count them, but the other 3 are neo-conservatives. Complete Jesus freaks and to me admitted to hating black people (yet will never openly admit to it because it will give there cause less validity). I have yet to meet one normal person that believes Obama was not born in the US.


Lattecat
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:50 am

Uh, if you had an Australian Birth Certificate – you’d know that each State issues its own certificates. They all look different. They also look different based upon when you obtain your copy of the birth certificate.


Lattecat
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:50 am

Uh, if you had an Australian Birth Certificate – you’d know that each State issues its own certificates. They all look different. They also look different based upon when you obtain your copy of the birth certificate.


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:51 am

Proof of citizenship YES! Not a passport


noway2no
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:53 am

I originally dismissed the idea that he was ineligible as too far fetched. Then I became agnostic, now unless evidence to the contrary is proven as fact in the real world I have come to believe he is the tip of the spear of the biggest fraud in history.

His entire past is almost void of objective data.

In truth there is no evidence that he is even a small portion of what he says he is. And his actions since ascending to the oval office have proven him to me a liar at best.


rysendell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:57 am

I hate to say it….but the document in question looks nothing like an an Australlian Birth certificate (or certified copy of registration of Birth) from that era…..I have both from this time period.


sawgrass
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:58 am

@superdave – I'm skeptical that you're skeptical. “As a scientist”, is this how you usually regard evidence–you ignore that it exists? How about Obama's genuine birth certificate that has been corroborated independently countless times? Or do you expect someone to knock at your door and present it to you in person?

The research question that your comment presents is, “Why do some people persist in remaining confused in what is otherwise a straightforward matter?”


masons
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:58 am

Regardless if he's a “Natural Born Citizen” or not, Obama is already the biggest fraud in history.


Rob
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:00 am

Wow. I'm skeptical your PhD is worth the paper it's printed on.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:01 am

Easy, moi. You can tell from looking at the threads that the comments bear little relation to the articles to which the comments are appended.

People just write what they want. One person a little while ago wrote about term limits.

I thought contraryskeptic’s post was interesting and worth reading.

I appreciate that you were polite in your attempt to set another person straight.


elsbeth
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:06 am

VERY well said, labman57.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:09 am

Don’t feel constrained by the either-or nature of Name’s last question.

“Yes,” for example, would be an appropriate response.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:09 am

Don’t feel constrained by the either-or nature of Name’s last question.

“Yes,” for example, would be an appropriate response.


NewsCorpse
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:09 am

Must you persist in spreading lies?

I got my passport with a COLB. I've never had anything but that (and I just pulled it out of my files to double check).

It is ignorant blathering like this that fuels the idiocy of the birther movement.


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:09 am

I personaly don't care where he was born. His father was a UK subject as he said in his book “Dreams of my Father” He was in the US for an education not to become a US citizen. So that alone makes O ineligible for the highest office in the land. And that is according to case law that I posted earlier. He is taking the USA on a downward spiral fast and your freedoms along with it


elsbeth
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:10 am

She did…as part of the Keyes v Obama case!!! Rumor has it that she is also using it as part of an appeal in FL…but that is rumor at this point.


Udontnome
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:10 am

Whats really confusing is that all the “real Americans” are fuming over the fact that Obama is not an American and that he is a Muslim (no hard evidence needed, just take there word for it). However, where were these “Real Americans” when Bush was in office pushing America into the economic abyss we find ourselves in now. Once again the double standard is prevalent amongst Republicans. It appears to be that religion, guns and Obama are there sole and primary focus. Meenwhile us “fake Americans” have an agenda of destroying American at any cost. I guess Neo-Conservatives are just too smart for us socialist commies.


contraryskeptic
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:12 am

I came across this rant of a blog on accident and I can't help but laugh! Let's say, just for fun, that Obama was born in Kenya and forged his birth certificate (although I don't believe that for one second). Do you people honestly think that his educational background would not enable him to win any such court case that would result from actually being born in Kenya? Case law and/or law in general is only black and white to those that can see only in black and white. Lawyers are educated to find the grey areas and argue sufficiently. I don't believe Obama would have had to forge a birth certificate when he could potentially win the right, in a court of law, to run for presidency. And I also think that he would have stood his ground and challenged the law, if that is what he had to do, so as to become our legitimate and rightful president.

I know the facts, I know where to find legal precedence and legal documents. And I also know how to read with a discerning eye. Yet I'm not citing all that here and there will be no further defense of my perspective! This is my educated voice of personal opinion not an argumentative thesis. And I also don't think that Obama owes a look at his private documents to any doubting citizen. Due process people! The only place Obama should have to defend himself is in a court of law. Americans elected him and quite frankly, the people I talk to care more about the fact he's well educated than where he was born. I find this blog is a moot point. Thus, if you're hell bent on being proven wrong, take him to court. … In the mean time, whether intentionally or not, thanks for providing me with some laughs. Most of you have been quite entertaining…


elsbeth
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:12 am

Why do birfers hate paragraphs?


elsbeth
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:12 am

Why do birfers hate paragraphs?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:14 am

And the answer is: Racism.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:14 am

And the answer is: Racism.


elsbeth
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:15 am

Interestingly you are claiming that you found the Aussie BC first…6 hours after it was posted on Politijab.com!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:18 am

Seriously? Do I have to teach you the multiplication tables too?

Prove he was an associate at Sidley Austin?

http://www.sidley.com/newsresources/newsandpress/Detail.aspx?news=3804

Prove he was a law professor at the University of Chicago?

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/node/1039


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:18 am

Seriously? Do I have to teach you the multiplication tables too?

Prove he was an associate at Sidley Austin?

http://www.sidley.com/newsresources/newsandpress/Detail.aspx?news=3804

Prove he was a law professor at the University of Chicago?

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/node/1039


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:19 am

“Sorry I ment 11/08 You moron! just a typo”

If you’re going to insult someone else’s intelligence for pointing out, politely, what you are now calling a typo (how’d you fuck up when typing 11/08 and somehow type 09/08? when you mean to type “your” and you type “yoru,” that’s a typo. what you did is called not fucking knowing when an election happened)…

then at least spell “ment” correctly. You moron!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:19 am

“Sorry I ment 11/08 You moron! just a typo”

If you’re going to insult someone else’s intelligence for pointing out, politely, what you are now calling a typo (how’d you fuck up when typing 11/08 and somehow type 09/08? when you mean to type “your” and you type “yoru,” that’s a typo. what you did is called not fucking knowing when an election happened)…

then at least spell “ment” correctly. You moron!


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:19 am

Bush made a lot of mistakes as did Clinton so on and on. But you have to remember Congress runs the country and the republicans and dems went on a spending spree with our money “We The People” and now the people are fighting back. We need term limits no more career law makers VOTE THEM ALL OUT!!! Teach them a lesson they won't forget


hankram
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:20 am

ATTENTION EVERYBODY! Obama was born in HAWAI'I, not Mombasa, Zanzibar or whereever the Full Mooners say he was born. In fact, one source said that the “Kenya BC” is actually an Austrailian BC, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HEALTH CARE WE NEEDED 15 YEARS AGO!


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:22 am

So which one is fake, or are they both authentic? Which one was “cloned” from which one, and can anyone prove it? Were they both created under the jurisdiction of the UK, and could it be all UK birth certificates at the time used the same blank form? The link to the original “.jpg” from which poster “Koyan” claims he made this discovery

http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/Da…

gives a “404 file not found” error message…was it pulled now that it has done its job?

If Mr. Obama would simply release the sealed records, the issue could be resolved. What is he hiding, this “transparent” President?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:25 am

Thank you for slogging through all that claptrap. Liked the bit about zero to self-contradictory in 2 sentences.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:25 am

Thank you for slogging through all that claptrap. Liked the bit about zero to self-contradictory in 2 sentences.


nocadrummer
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:25 am

You forgot the homosexuals, which “are worse than terrorists”. Wow… my committed, monogamous relationship with ONE man will shred the fabric of the nation. If that's the case, what gossamer threads must the U.S. be made of?


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:26 am

Sorry I ment 11/08 You moron! just a typo


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:29 am

The fact that people don’t bother responding to your lies, except to tell you what a piece of shit you are for lying, ought to tell you something, doofus.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:29 am

The fact that people don’t bother responding to your lies, except to tell you what a piece of shit you are for lying, ought to tell you something, doofus.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:29 am

HotAir readers:

Continuing with my discussion below, about a week ago a NY Daily News columnist said this: The [authenticity of Obama's] official Hawaii birth certificate [was] vouched for by Hawaii officials up to and including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle.

The problem with that statement is that it's completely false. HI's governor never said any such thing. You can hate “Birthers” with a passion and still point out that the NY Daily News columnist was lying. You don't have to engage in any “birther theories” to point out that the NY Daily News columnist was lying.

So, why aren't Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit doing that? Why instead are they promoting David Schuster?

Please write HotAir and ask them to help me discredit the MSM.


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:30 am

I work at a US Passport office you moron


Frank
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:35 am

I think he probably was born in HI but doesn't want to release his birth cert. for some other reason. Maybe it says religion Muslim on it or something like that.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:36 am

“‘It’s crazy,’ said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. ‘I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.’

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. ‘If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.’”

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam

THAT is what makes me think that.

What made you lie about the COLB? It states he was born in Honolulu. That’s a “where.”


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:36 am

“‘It’s crazy,’ said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. ‘I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.’

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. ‘If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.’”

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam

THAT is what makes me think that.

What made you lie about the COLB? It states he was born in Honolulu. That’s a “where.”


skylights
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:36 am

This is all the proof I need that Barack Obama was born in Australia.


The Washington Independent » Is This the Source of the Forged … « AdsBidWorld
Pingback posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:38 am

[...] One of my friends in the small community of Obama “birther”-debunkers passes on quite the discovery: a 1964 “certified copy of registration of birth” from Australia, easily available on Bomford.net, a genealogy site. … See the rest here: The Washington Independent » Is This the Source of the Forged … [...]


betzcell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:40 am

Get a life you dimwits. This has been and is a dead story. Go back to chasing UFOs, the Sasquatch, the second gunman on the grassy knoll, the antichrist, and god knows whatever else springs from cretin minds with lots of time.


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:43 am

Great sense of humor skylights you convinced me lol


Udontnome
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:43 am

Oh, yeah didnt homosexuals cause Katrina? Someone actually said that. I guess God was really pissed and need to punish everyone indiscriminately.


SamR
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:49 am

Request declined.


SamR
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:50 am

Amy, the “deported” part is the best. Are you also denying that his mom was an American citizen?


Udontnome
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:51 am

I am with you on that. I am not a fan of Republicans nor much a fan of the Democrats either. Both parties have been tainted with the greed of lobbyist. Very few laws are passed with the American in mind, rather industry and banking sectors over saturate D.C with money flung at congressman from every angle. That is why this whole “birthers” thing seems so trivial with so many real issues to deal with.


Hugh
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:52 am

I guessed it was a typo. The trouble is, that little typos like that get pounced on as evidence that either the writer doesn't know wtf (s)he is talking about, or else that they are outright lying.

And thank you for spelling “moron” correctly. I hate being called a moron by someone who can't spell the word!

By the way… This was a real British national tabloid cover from 2004:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/…

In 2000, just before the election, another British tabloid ran 10cm (4-inch for Americans) headlines pleading DON'T DUMP DUBYA ON US!

My mother (a conservative by British standards, but a raving radical by American standards) said to me on September 13 after Americans were having their Bush-inspired wargasm, “Americans are still children aren't they? They haven't grown up yet.”

Only when Obama was elected did most non-Americans start to have respect for the USA again. However, this whole “birther” business seems to mean that right-wing Americans are determined to keep their rightful place as Toilet Cleaners of the Free World – their intelligence doesn't allow them to take any better jobs.


Hugh
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:57 am

@Udontnome – absolutely. This is a classic example of pointing at the sun while pissing on your shoes.

To be frank, I'm surprised not more bankers/insurance execs/etc. have been found swinging from lampposts. No-one wants lynch law, but given the American fondness for extreme violence and the 2nd amendment, I'm surprised Bubba's not more pissed than he actually is. The whole ridiculous “birther” business provides him with something to hate, while he is distracted from the fact that he and his whole family are being raped wholesale at the expense of the top 0.5%.


Viliamu
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:57 am

That explains why the passport office is so screwed up. ;)


Udontnome
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:00 am

I couldnt have said it better.


Ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:04 am

Utterly wrong. Or have you forgotten about all the children of illegal immigrants who were born in America and automatically have American citizenship? *They* are natural-born citizens, which is why they can’t be deported along with their parents. Obama is no different, and this birther nonsense is nothing but veiled racism.


Ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:04 am

Utterly wrong. Or have you forgotten about all the children of illegal immigrants who were born in America and automatically have American citizenship? *They* are natural-born citizens, which is why they can’t be deported along with their parents. Obama is no different, and this birther nonsense is nothing but veiled racism.


tpgow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:04 am

I agree with your mother> Duba was not quite as bad a O but it is becoming a toss up. I am not right or left just try to use common sense that most Americans seem to have lost. Don't bother to answer. I bid you Goodnight and God Bless. Had enough fun tonight


Ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:06 am

Did you get your Ph.D. from the same fine institution of higher learning patronized by Orly Taitz?


Ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:06 am

Did you get your Ph.D. from the same fine institution of higher learning patronized by Orly Taitz?


polydaidaloi.com » Blog Archive » Orly meet Godwin
Pingback posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:08 am

[...] Just when you think the Birthers could not get any sillier (for example Orly Taitz’s MSNBC interview in which she says “WHARGARBL!” over and over), comes the revelation that the supposed Obama Kenyan birth certificate is a forgery. [...]


NEWS FLASH: Obama was born in South Australia - TheNewTopical.com
Pingback posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:10 am

[...] to create a phony Kenyan "birth certificate" for Obama. The deception seems to have been uncovered by a blogger. The web site has exceeded its allowed usage and is now down. Mr Bomford, self-described as a [...]


jfishman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:20 am

Pretty clear from http://www.bomford.net that the site was brought down, doofus.

Try http://www.bomford.net.nyud.net/worcestershire/…, and next time learn the interwebs.


hcv
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Probably more for several reasons:

1) He doesn't have to.
2) There's no reason for him to.
3) Anyone sane doesn't need him to; anyone else won't believe it anyway.
4) If he responds to this, it opens the floodgates for all manner of other frivolous requests.
5) It's more fun this way.

If it says “religion Muslim”: big whoop. That'd be what his parents (neither of whom were Muslim, by the way) would have put, not what he practices or believes today.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:45 am

You must be joking. You're not aware that we have birthright citizenship in the U.S.? Are you suffering from stupidity or mendacity?


spite
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:47 am

your link doesn't work either, doofus.


coolio
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:48 am

The anger in the US is really something. It is like a macabre insanity, It is one thing to be angry if your child is blown to bits from a military strike or if every every family you know has a dead member from war strife, but to go berserk ( the only name for it) because a black man with the middle name of Hussein handily wins the popular vote in 'the freest, most democratic society on the world' ??? – what's that about.


seti2008
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:50 am

It's likely that Pres. Obama does not have the original copy of his birth certificate. Have never seen my original birth certificate.

Second, does anyone really believe that a white American woman would move to Kenya to give birth? That's suicidal.

What is on his birth certificate are dates. Pres. Obama was conceived before his parents were married.


hcv
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:54 am

The Australian one is internally consistent; the “Kenyan” one is not. The Australian one can be found at http://archive.org , indicating that it's been around for awhile.


Moi
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:08 am

um hon? This is an ANTI-birthers piece. So your declarations of reading with a discerning eye cast a rather ironic note on your comment, considering you can't even get the point of the piece you're ridiculing. But have a nice day anyway.


duh
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:13 am

you don't have to be born “in America” to be an American citizen. His mother was a citizen, that was enough.


dsfsd
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:18 am

?? ????


Ali G.
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:20 am

LOOKING FOR WORK
>> >
>> > A Mexican doctor says 'Medicine in my country is so advanced that
>> > we can take a kidney out of one man, put it in another, and have
>> > him looking for work in six weeks.'
>> >
>> > A German doctor says 'That is nothing; we can take a lung out of
>> > one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in four > weeks.'
>> >
>> > A Russian doctor says 'In my country, medicine is so advanced
>> > that we can take half a heart out of one person, put it in another,
>> > and have them both looking for work in two weeks.'
>> >
An ILLINOIS doctor threatened with socialized medicine admitted,
All 'Youse guys are way behind recent accomplishments.
Illinois recently sent a man with no brains to DC.
He resided in the White House only THREE MONTHS.
Before half the WORLD started looking for work


The Prisoner
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:20 am

You'r kidding right?
Have you bothered to read The Constitution?

DUH!


jopnaskniger
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:23 am

obama loved to ride in the limo with larry sinclair and rev wright, doing crack, and each other! This is an old kenyan custom started by obama's muslim father this is how they prepare male children for life! barry is a born from the hole of his cracker mamma and that rug of a head daddy step-in fetch-it!


jack
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:24 am

Not too smart are you duh?


dsfsd
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:24 am

????


jack
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:26 am

All the proof I need that Obama was born in Hawaii is his birth certificate and not his COLB that can be obtained without being born there.


none
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:32 am

there is no Federal requirement that a natural born American citizen even have a birth certificate. I doubt that President Lincoln had one – and no one doubted he was a natgural born American. Remember the entries of birth records in family Bibles and similar documents. They are legally valid evidence of what their entries say.
Also, by the way. according to Islamic law Obama is technically a Muslim, whether he likes it or not, because he was born of a father who was a Muslim (it doesn't matter if the father didn't think of himself as a Muslim so long as his father was a Muslim, etc.). The fact that he “renounced” his birthright religion merely makes him an apostate, which is a crime punishable by death in many Muslim countries.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:34 pm

Kenyancitizen- He shouldn’t have misrepresented the fact that he was born in Kenya. Alot of People still love him and would be willing to have the Constituition changed for him, but he pretty much knocked that option to out of reach. He would now have to confess and bow down on his knees and ask for forgiveness to be deported to Kenya rather than face a criminal trial.

Incidentally, have you heard him call for a complete and thorough investigation into this matter?
Has he made a speech to the American People saying “He is my Long/Form BC, I am an American and I am Proud to have been born in Hawaii”…. nope and you won’t either. He is more
proud of his African heritage. And if given a chance he would announce to the world “proud to be a Kenyan”!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:34 pm

Kenyancitizen- He shouldn’t have misrepresented the fact that he was born in Kenya. Alot of People still love him and would be willing to have the Constituition changed for him, but he pretty much knocked that option to out of reach. He would now have to confess and bow down on his knees and ask for forgiveness to be deported to Kenya rather than face a criminal trial.

Incidentally, have you heard him call for a complete and thorough investigation into this matter?
Has he made a speech to the American People saying “He is my Long/Form BC, I am an American and I am Proud to have been born in Hawaii”…. nope and you won’t either. He is more
proud of his African heritage. And if given a chance he would announce to the world “proud to be a Kenyan”!


millennium
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:34 am

A person's action tells ali what
no peace of paper could know


Never Yet Melted » Well, That Settles It
Pingback posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:38 am

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yellowcorvette4
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:41 am

“NO”, answered the White House when asked,
“Is there any evidence the White House can release to settle the “Birther” claim”

Where's the controversy?


RacistsGoAway
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:41 am

shame on u


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:43 pm

Sorry, Jack, you’re wrong. In TWO ways;
First. a COLB from Hawaii would NOT say he was born in Hawaii; that would be fraud.
Second, the ability to register foreign births on Hawaiian COLB’s didn’t happen until 20 years after Obama’s birth.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:43 pm

Sorry, Jack, you’re wrong. In TWO ways;
First. a COLB from Hawaii would NOT say he was born in Hawaii; that would be fraud.
Second, the ability to register foreign births on Hawaiian COLB’s didn’t happen until 20 years after Obama’s birth.


ThinkingMeat · Knee-slapper: Birfers tout ‘Kenyan’ birth certificate — that turns out to be Australian
Pingback posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:43 am

[...] One small problem: the document in question is quite clearly an altered copy of an Australian birth certificate. [...]


TRS
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:46 am

It works just fine.


millennium1000@yahoo.com
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:49 am

If the US would just drop the citizenship requirement
the Terminator could do for the US what he did for call eh porn eh ah or
Acorn could elect a really conservative Shiite pres.direct from you wait or saw de or eye rack.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Fabricating? I SAW a debate on Crossfire about it. The reason I remember it was that Bill Press had a great one-liner. He said I’ll trade you; I’ll let you amend the Constitution to allow Arnold to run if you allow me to amend it to allow Bill Clinton to run for a 3rd term.

Secondly, you should never say never; you can’t know what every Republican said at any time. Just ONE example disproves your claim. (And I’ve provided it).

Finally, it’s QUINTESSENTIAL.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Fabricating? I SAW a debate on Crossfire about it. The reason I remember it was that Bill Press had a great one-liner. He said I’ll trade you; I’ll let you amend the Constitution to allow Arnold to run if you allow me to amend it to allow Bill Clinton to run for a 3rd term.

Secondly, you should never say never; you can’t know what every Republican said at any time. Just ONE example disproves your claim. (And I’ve provided it).

Finally, it’s QUINTESSENTIAL.


RacistsGoAway
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:54 am

agree! Amazing how much ignorance and hate there still is. I am afraid that Obama election has only awakened the ignorant and uneducated red necks that look to blame others for their sorry lives than themselves. In the meantime the US has become a joke after 8 years of Cheney/Bush. We have more hate than ever, we are more stupid than before, we are much much fatter than ever, and we owe way too much money to China.

More people should focus on doing good to help our Country back. But sadly there is a pre-occupation with Race, blaming others, stuffing their face,and defending the right to bear M-16's and grenade launchers, exactly the thing our forefathers had in mind when they drafted the constitution.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:55 am

That's mighty white of you, tpgow! I mean, you have Mike Steele and 7 other blacks in your Party and you show them how much respect you have for Obama…I'm betting they'll be flocking to the GOP next election cycle. And hispanics, too! Because nothing says “big tent” like voting against Sotomayor and letting Tom Tecrando do hispanic outreach! LOL. Plus the young folks…and women. You're gonna enjoy your long hike into the wilderness.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:58 pm

Wow, your favorite show must be “Short Attention Span Theatre 3000″. We’ve been in a recession for the last 2 years, Obama’s been on the job for 6 months, and suddenly HE’S responsible for a global recession.

So tell me, how exactly did Obama cause these job losses? Or is it the same reasoning that blamed him for the stock market fall, even before he took office. Can you at least give him credit for the 2,000 point rise SINCE he’s taken over?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:58 pm

Wow, your favorite show must be “Short Attention Span Theatre 3000″. We’ve been in a recession for the last 2 years, Obama’s been on the job for 6 months, and suddenly HE’S responsible for a global recession.

So tell me, how exactly did Obama cause these job losses? Or is it the same reasoning that blamed him for the stock market fall, even before he took office. Can you at least give him credit for the 2,000 point rise SINCE he’s taken over?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

Again, nice try. Attacking the person (who disagrees with you) instead of the idea simply shows that you know how weak your argument is. Now a question: With all of that education you purport to have, did they ever teach you the difference between intelligence and education?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

Again, nice try. Attacking the person (who disagrees with you) instead of the idea simply shows that you know how weak your argument is. Now a question: With all of that education you purport to have, did they ever teach you the difference between intelligence and education?


Eclectique News | Eclectique|916
Pingback posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:03 am

[...] To their glee, the “birthers” have discovered via the internet, a 1964 “Republic of Kenya” birth certificate, dated BEFORE there was a Republic of Kenya. We’ve seen Ashton Kushner in the Obama celebrity entourage. Could it be possible that the “birthers” have been “punked” with this Kenyan birth certificate? Apparently so, according Markos of Daily Kos. [Read the debunking analysis here.] And it turns out, the source of the forged Republic of Kenya birth certificate is Australia. [...]


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:08 am

Seems like only a couple of years ago, Republicans were ready to revisit the 'natural born' Constitutional issue for their darling, Arnold Schwartzeneggar. Amazing the intellectual consistency of conservatives. Almost as consistent as their moral virtues.


jamesdecatur
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:18 am

You are making the point that a document only available for public view online is easily manupulated.

You get my point?

Obama can end all of this by making his real birth certifice available for public inspection. Why doesn't he do that? It is a cynical ploy to keep this issue in the news to distract from his policy failures or what?


jfishman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:18 am

The link is to the Coral Cache of the original page. It should be populated through most of the CDN, but I think it's possible that it hasn't reached your nearest node yet. Also, I'm not sure how Coral handles 404 errors over time, but for now it's returning a perfect cache of the original image when accessed here in Maine.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

Perhaps not the Governor, but the person in charge of the records vouched for it:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen,” Fukino said in a statement. “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago.”


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

Perhaps not the Governor, but the person in charge of the records vouched for it:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen,” Fukino said in a statement. “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago.”


jfishman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:29 am

Scratch that, the CDN has updated to the 404… oh well


henrysmarts
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:32 am

@ jamesdecatur , get your head out of the sand. His “real” actual original authenticated birth certiifcate has been posted on the internet for all to see. Several months ago.


jfishman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:32 am

As mentioned by @hcv, archive.org holds several snapshots of the site, e.g. http://web.archive.org/web/20070205211559/http:…

Unfortunately, they did not cache the image itself, but it's all over the web by now.


Aerospike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

Better do a Google before you accuse people of lying, Till. Took me about ten seconds to find that Republicans indeed were trying to get the rules changed for The governor of California

Senator Hatch Republican of Utah, introduced a bill in 2003 called the “Equal Right to Govern” act.

This act would allow people who were Naturalized citizens for at least 20 years to run for President. Schwartznegger had been a Naturalized citizen since 1983.

Full story is in the 2004-12-02 edition of USA Today.


Aerospike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

Better do a Google before you accuse people of lying, Till. Took me about ten seconds to find that Republicans indeed were trying to get the rules changed for The governor of California

Senator Hatch Republican of Utah, introduced a bill in 2003 called the “Equal Right to Govern” act.

This act would allow people who were Naturalized citizens for at least 20 years to run for President. Schwartznegger had been a Naturalized citizen since 1983.

Full story is in the 2004-12-02 edition of USA Today.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

That doesn’t square with my understanding of the facts, which is that he was born in a US military hospital. Where’s your link showing that Colon Hospital was “never part of the Canal Zone”?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

That doesn’t square with my understanding of the facts, which is that he was born in a US military hospital. Where’s your link showing that Colon Hospital was “never part of the Canal Zone”?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

IF this is a criterion, explain how SIX previous presidents had only one American parent; in fact, Andrew Jackson had TWO Irish-immigrant parents. Chester Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover etc., etc only had ONE American parent.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

IF this is a criterion, explain how SIX previous presidents had only one American parent; in fact, Andrew Jackson had TWO Irish-immigrant parents. Chester Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover etc., etc only had ONE American parent.


Bruce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

McCain was born in the Coco Solo Naval Hospital located on the US Naval Base in 1936, which was part of the Canal Zone. Some have looked at the current location of the Coco Solo Naval Hospital, built in 1941, which is located within boundry of the Canal Zone, but was in territory of the two cities excluded from the Canal Zone until annexed in 1941, and concluded that McCain was born outside the territory, but they are clearly wrong (a US military base qualifies on its own, even if they were right about Canal Zone boundries). The Supreme court ruled in 1964 that those born in US territories were US Citizens in response to Goldwater running (he was born in Arizona before it was a state).

In Robinson vs Bowen case in US District court in Riverside, California, judge decided McCain was a citizen, though there was wiggle room if someone wanted to appeal, but no one did.


Bruce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

McCain was born in the Coco Solo Naval Hospital located on the US Naval Base in 1936, which was part of the Canal Zone. Some have looked at the current location of the Coco Solo Naval Hospital, built in 1941, which is located within boundry of the Canal Zone, but was in territory of the two cities excluded from the Canal Zone until annexed in 1941, and concluded that McCain was born outside the territory, but they are clearly wrong (a US military base qualifies on its own, even if they were right about Canal Zone boundries). The Supreme court ruled in 1964 that those born in US territories were US Citizens in response to Goldwater running (he was born in Arizona before it was a state).

In Robinson vs Bowen case in US District court in Riverside, California, judge decided McCain was a citizen, though there was wiggle room if someone wanted to appeal, but no one did.


nylund
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:03 am

Except for you can't get a COLB without being born there unless you believe websites written by nitwits incapable of understanding the laws written decades after the dates in question. A Hawaiian COLB can get you a passport and is recognized by the State Department as proof that someone was born in the US. What Obama released is the ONLY official birth certificate the state of Hawaii presently gives out, and its been approved as proof of citizenship. It can get you a passport, which is about as concrete a proof of citizenship as one can get. Do you really think the US Department of State has such willy-nilly, easily falsified ways to get a passport? If so, why doesn't every illegal immigrant get one this way? Or does it make more sense that some “lawyer” who got her “degree” from a website and isn't even a member of the American Bar Association is incapable of understanding basic legalese?

The simple fact is you hate Obama and there is nothing else to it. Just admit that. I hated Bush. There is nothing wrong with disliking the president. Almost 50% of voters voted for the other guy in most elections anyway. Heck, in 2000, more than 50% did!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

He released his birth certificate. Check your facts.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

He released his birth certificate. Check your facts.


elfish
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:08 am

There is a very nice comparison of the Australian docments and the forgery here:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9981/kenyaau…

The key thing that gives it away is the fact that the book numbers are the same. “Book 44B Page 5733″. It is very unlikely that a birth certificate from Kenya and one from Australia would have the same book numbers.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

1. Nobel Prize is so IMPORTANT. Al Gore got one and he thinks the world is going to end through Global Warming and HE invented the internet.

2. You are right. The DEMS controlled the house for the last two years under Bush when the housing crises exploded. Under Clinton, when we had a surplus the House was controlled by the Rep, the last 6 years of his administration. And under Reagan and Bush 1, the House was controlled by the Democrats.

3. You said two points but you made three. Obama apologize to everybody but our best allies. To England and to Israel he snubs them.

Your points are good, all for the Republicans


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

1. Nobel Prize is so IMPORTANT. Al Gore got one and he thinks the world is going to end through Global Warming and HE invented the internet.

2. You are right. The DEMS controlled the house for the last two years under Bush when the housing crises exploded. Under Clinton, when we had a surplus the House was controlled by the Rep, the last 6 years of his administration. And under Reagan and Bush 1, the House was controlled by the Democrats.

3. You said two points but you made three. Obama apologize to everybody but our best allies. To England and to Israel he snubs them.

Your points are good, all for the Republicans


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Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

Look in the mirror. Idiots like you are the problem with this country. Obama is a joke and so are his worshippers.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

Look in the mirror. Idiots like you are the problem with this country. Obama is a joke and so are his worshippers.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

The section on the meaning of what “natural born” MEANT to the Framers has never been changed. The evidence is patently clear. The Framers accepted both “jus soli” and jus sanguinus” as constituting “natural born”. That was their intent of the meaning of “natural born”…it wasn’t the same as “native born”.

lthough other aspects of the Constitution can be altered by an act this aspect cannot be repealed without a Constitutional Amendment. It has been modified somewhat by the l4th, l5th and l8th Amendments but this broa dened the definition of who Constituted full citizens by “jus soli” (blacks and women)…thus their descendents were granted the rights by jus sanguinus (blood descent) that formerly was restricted to White men.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

But Robinson v. Bowen was thrown out; the judge didn’t hear any evidence re McCain; btw, McCain never showed his BC, and was not part of the case. My highly refined bulls*** serves me once again.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

But Robinson v. Bowen was thrown out; the judge didn’t hear any evidence re McCain; btw, McCain never showed his BC, and was not part of the case. My highly refined bulls*** serves me once again.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

Dude…you are a riot.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

Dude…you are a riot.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

Freedom,

THINK, I know GOP’s are not used to it but try. O is trying to fix what the GOP nut case called W left him. No one knows if his policies will work over the long haul but here is what we do know your guy W had 8 years to show us how stupid his policies are! All the Dems are doing is trying to fix a mess your side left, a mess the likes of which have never been seen before so shut up hold on and pray the GOP doesn’t screw up the fix as they seem to like this sorry mess where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They just want to reduce the number of rich so controling them will be easier.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

Freedom,

THINK, I know GOP’s are not used to it but try. O is trying to fix what the GOP nut case called W left him. No one knows if his policies will work over the long haul but here is what we do know your guy W had 8 years to show us how stupid his policies are! All the Dems are doing is trying to fix a mess your side left, a mess the likes of which have never been seen before so shut up hold on and pray the GOP doesn’t screw up the fix as they seem to like this sorry mess where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They just want to reduce the number of rich so controling them will be easier.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Wait until Bamsters 4 years are up. They will be judged the worst in history. Jimmy Carter will be so relieved.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Wait until Bamsters 4 years are up. They will be judged the worst in history. Jimmy Carter will be so relieved.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

You’re an idiot–wreckless with your “facts” And have absolutely no grasp ofeconomics.

Reagan’s 1981 business-tax cut and the reductions in personal-income-tax rates in 1982 and 1983 raised the after-tax earnings on real investment in the U.S. relative to the rest of the world. Instead of exporting capital, the U.S. retained it and financed its own deficit.. Unlike today where individuals and businesses are punished with high taxes on income they create outside the US. That’s why an estimated $13 trillion lies in banks outside the US and won’t be coming home anytime soon.

As the budget deficit under Reagan rose, interest rates fell. A good thing for economic growth. I remember the 18% home mortgage loans under Carter.Made home ownership alot more expensive.

Reagan rescued us from Carter’s miserable economy and double digit inflation–bringing inflation down from more than 11% to less than 4%

Supply-side economics made good on its promise—Ronald Reagan delivered both the longest peacetime U.S. expansion and disinflation. This achievement has been buried under a pack of lies told by people whose reputations exceed what their integrity warrants. (From the National Review)

You’ve also inflated the National debt under Reagan by $5.5 Trillion. But then no one expect Liberals to use actual factual material to try to prove a point. The very fact that they make a statement no matter how erroneous should be enough…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

You’re an idiot–wreckless with your “facts” And have absolutely no grasp ofeconomics.

Reagan’s 1981 business-tax cut and the reductions in personal-income-tax rates in 1982 and 1983 raised the after-tax earnings on real investment in the U.S. relative to the rest of the world. Instead of exporting capital, the U.S. retained it and financed its own deficit.. Unlike today where individuals and businesses are punished with high taxes on income they create outside the US. That’s why an estimated $13 trillion lies in banks outside the US and won’t be coming home anytime soon.

As the budget deficit under Reagan rose, interest rates fell. A good thing for economic growth. I remember the 18% home mortgage loans under Carter.Made home ownership alot more expensive.

Reagan rescued us from Carter’s miserable economy and double digit inflation–bringing inflation down from more than 11% to less than 4%

Supply-side economics made good on its promise—Ronald Reagan delivered both the longest peacetime U.S. expansion and disinflation. This achievement has been buried under a pack of lies told by people whose reputations exceed what their integrity warrants. (From the National Review)

You’ve also inflated the National debt under Reagan by $5.5 Trillion. But then no one expect Liberals to use actual factual material to try to prove a point. The very fact that they make a statement no matter how erroneous should be enough…


The13thWatcher
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:30 am

Well! You know now days, so many wonderful things can happen to you if you are rich and famous!! cause there are so many more who are not and will definitely try and get a bit of that glamour you have. So, don't worry if someone says that you have been found out and that this and that is about you. The best you can do is to bask in your own limelight and say, well! at least someone is wasting their time today on me and that makes me a little more famous is what the other person does not know. And, beside, there are umteens of sikies today, that will do anything to bring a good name down, just take it as a punch of salt cause, no matter what you do, there will always be something else on you. Enjoy it all as life is short and damn the rest.


luther blissett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

Clearly not everybody in the world wants to live in America, but keep fapping to that lie.


luther blissett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

Clearly not everybody in the world wants to live in America, but keep fapping to that lie.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

1. Yeah, shithead, the Nobel prize is important. Al Gore and about 2,000 scientists think Global Warming is a problem. Who you got, Glen Beck
2. Typical; when Republicans are in the White House, blame congress. When Dems control congress, blame the White House. Whatever happened ot personal responsiblity.

Here’s the problem with arguing with republitards; they can’t grasp complex ideas. Let’s discuss your little shot at Al Gore, JUST FOR THE EXAMPLE IT MAKES!

First, you start with a lie. Then repeat it enough until it takes hold. AL GORE NEVER SAID HE “INVENTED” THE INTERNET. Find a quote that says he did; I dare you. I double-dog dare you. Google search; you know, Al Gore & Internet & Invent. You won’t find it.
Finally, you mock him for it. What he DID do was authorize funding for DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Ad.) who needed a more efficient method of sharing information, so they linked up via phone lines. So, in a way, Gore and hundreds of scientists were RESPONSIBLE for the internet. But he never said he INVENTED it!

Oh, BTW, do you LIKE the internet that allows us to communicate like this? It was first a GOVERNMENT PROGRAM! See. the gov. works sometimes.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

1. Yeah, shithead, the Nobel prize is important. Al Gore and about 2,000 scientists think Global Warming is a problem. Who you got, Glen Beck
2. Typical; when Republicans are in the White House, blame congress. When Dems control congress, blame the White House. Whatever happened ot personal responsiblity.

Here’s the problem with arguing with republitards; they can’t grasp complex ideas. Let’s discuss your little shot at Al Gore, JUST FOR THE EXAMPLE IT MAKES!

First, you start with a lie. Then repeat it enough until it takes hold. AL GORE NEVER SAID HE “INVENTED” THE INTERNET. Find a quote that says he did; I dare you. I double-dog dare you. Google search; you know, Al Gore & Internet & Invent. You won’t find it.
Finally, you mock him for it. What he DID do was authorize funding for DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Ad.) who needed a more efficient method of sharing information, so they linked up via phone lines. So, in a way, Gore and hundreds of scientists were RESPONSIBLE for the internet. But he never said he INVENTED it!

Oh, BTW, do you LIKE the internet that allows us to communicate like this? It was first a GOVERNMENT PROGRAM! See. the gov. works sometimes.


Till
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:36 am

That's an obfuscating untruth. Republicans have NEVER sought to revisit “natural born.” You are the quentessential democrat, fabricating nonsense to promote your agenda.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

“You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist” I never saw any non-white people either.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

“You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist” I never saw any non-white people either.


luther blissett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

24Ahead: fired by Michelle Malkin for being too fucking crazy.


luther blissett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

24Ahead: fired by Michelle Malkin for being too fucking crazy.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

Jeff,

Loved it but she does have a nice butt!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

Jeff,

Loved it but she does have a nice butt!


lanamonteith
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:43 am

As long as you are obsessing over this you aren't paying a bit of attention to the healthcare mess!!!!! Get your heads out of the sand and stand up for the people!!! At least fight for the right to have your health!!!!


kenyancitizen
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:47 am

…? If you are born of a Kenyan father, irrespective of where you are born in the world, irrespective of what birth certificate or nationality you’ve adopted, you are automatically a Kenyan citizen and you request for that citizenship to be formalized at any point in your life…apart from if you are under the age of 21 when a parent or guardian would be required to apply for you, such as in the case of his two daughters, for example, who also qualify for citizenship….the relevant section of the Kenyan constitution is section 87 (2) which reads…(2) Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th
December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a
British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his
death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1),
become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.,”
This citizenship right does not require one to have a birth certificate from Kenya, neither does it negate citizenship rights if one already holds citizenship in another country. Therefore one could have a birth certificate from Hawaii and be a US citizen and still qualify and retain the right to his/her citizenship of Kenya…all a person needs is to establish their father is/was a Kenyan citizen and automatically they get full citizenship. If you have already formally adopted another citizenship you will have to formally renounce your other citizenship in order to take up the Kenyan citizenship. However a modification to the Kenyan constitution has been proposed to make it possible to retain dual citizenship in the near future, so Obama could vote in Kenya legally when this is passed, probably before 2012 and run for President here in 2015.
So for purpose of this debate, note that it isn't necessarily to prove he has a Kenyan birth certificate to prove he is a Kenyan citizen, the constitution of Kenya already says he is as long as his father was Kenyan
… relax, let our Kenyan rule the free world, he will take good care of you….


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:48 am

A person who doesn't know how to think rationally or read articles for himself can also be “easily manupulated.”

Whether the online document is capable of being photoshopped is irrelevant. State officials, including the Republican governor of Hawai'i, have agreed with factcheck.org that the paper hard copy of the COLB is authentic.

So, do you have any proof that those people are all lying?

Is your post “a cynical ploy to keep this issue in the news?” I hope so. You're great advertising for Democrats. And spell-check software.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

Of course I am reasonable. I don’t need to call True Believers names. I just need to ask a simple question that has not been answered to get folks like you all spun up:

Where’s the Birth Certificate?

You claim I’m asking for “further proof of what is proven” — but the problem is that there has not been any “proof” presented.

Obama refuses to release his original birth certificate — this is irefutable fact. He has also sealed most of his other life records, from his kindergarten records, college records, passport records, medical records, etc …

What is he hiding?

Nor am I making “absurd claims”. I do not claim Obama was born in a foreign country, I’m just asking for simple proof that he was not.

Why doesn’t he release his birth certificate?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

Of course I am reasonable. I don’t need to call True Believers names. I just need to ask a simple question that has not been answered to get folks like you all spun up:

Where’s the Birth Certificate?

You claim I’m asking for “further proof of what is proven” — but the problem is that there has not been any “proof” presented.

Obama refuses to release his original birth certificate — this is irefutable fact. He has also sealed most of his other life records, from his kindergarten records, college records, passport records, medical records, etc …

What is he hiding?

Nor am I making “absurd claims”. I do not claim Obama was born in a foreign country, I’m just asking for simple proof that he was not.

Why doesn’t he release his birth certificate?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

No, tp, that is an urban legend. Otherwise, every cleaning lady and member of the janitorial staff would try to give birth in our embassies.

Also, I haven’t seen any evidence that McCain was born on a military base; his official bio has him born in Panama, but doesn’t specify on base.

IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! Guess who HASN’T shown his birth certificate? John McCain!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

No, tp, that is an urban legend. Otherwise, every cleaning lady and member of the janitorial staff would try to give birth in our embassies.

Also, I haven’t seen any evidence that McCain was born on a military base; his official bio has him born in Panama, but doesn’t specify on base.

IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! Guess who HASN’T shown his birth certificate? John McCain!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:51 am

“High-level political operatives from Arnold 's Schwarzenegger's gubernatorial campaign have commenced a media blitzkrieg propagandizing for a change in the Constitution so Arnold can run for President.

Arnold has said for decades that he wants to amend the Constitution so he can be President. Now, Congressman Dana Rohrbacher, Senator Orin Hatch and others have introduced legislation known in Congress as “Arnold Bills” to give Schwarzenegger what he wants. This has been an obvious, well-focused campaign to mold public opinion in favor of amending the Constitution for Arnold Schwarzenegger.”

http://www.arnoldexposed.com/media.html

So, Rohrbacher and Hatch are non-existent? Because they're Republicans.

Please define “obfuscating untruth.” Or just use your own post as an example. Either way.


The13thWatcher
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:53 am

We in the other parts of the world love to watch americans hate each other for their color, race, language and breed. We love to see you defile your intelligent president to the world and wonder how the hell you ever got to the top when you cannot see further than your noses. Now, for those who are reading this, I know you must be fuming, but this also is accepted, cause you rednecks think that your own shit does not stink and so, try to bring down whoever is above you and not white. Go ahead, make my day from day to day as I watch, read your silly bickerings when there is a president in DC who has been given the wonderful inheritance of a great big mess that the previous Government created. Me thinks, that Obama was destined to be the 44th US President as none other was to willing to take up the previous administration's woes and so, they started to drop out one by one, simply pretending to be in the race for real and poor old John McCain was picked as most knew that he did not stand a chance at all. Think about this for awhile before you begin to critisize President Obama who stood tall, believing that the best was yet to come for America. Most americans I have met, are pretty cool, I guess I'm talking about a small percentage, but that small percentage can destroy the goodness of America as time goes by. As they say… “One bad Apple in a basket of good Apples, can destroy the whole lot.”
God Bless America as I hope the saying will still be there in the future!!!!


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:54 am

Kenyan law does not trump the Constitution of the United States.

We in this country could care less what a foreign nation has to say about its own citizenship laws. Our Constitution requires our president to be born in the United States. The man we elected president, with more votes than any presidential candidate in history, was born in the United States. There's nothing more to the story.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:55 am

If you were born out of state the Hawai'ian government would, in some circumstances, issue you a COLB.

But in no event would they lie about your birth place. Your COLB from Hawai'i would just indicate, for example, that you were born in Florida.

Or, in your case, it'd say you were born last night.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:56 am

He already made his “real birth certificate” available for public inspection.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:57 am

The question wasn't whether there was evidence to “settle” the claim. There is evidence, and the claim has been settled.

The question was whether there was evidence to shut up the birthers. The answer, correctly, was no. The birthers will never shut up regardless of the state of the evidence.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:58 am

Hmmm. All you've done is discredit the people who go around calling everyone liars.

You even do a bad fucking job of THAT, doofus.

What is this now, the fifth or sixth journalist or public figure you've accused of lying?

Your avatar is appropriate. Can you see land from that far out to sea?


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:59 am

There's no difference between a COLB and a birth certificate.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

Hi Bruce,
I did not really make any racist remark; you could see that I put the n word
in parenthesis, meaning, I do not sincerely see Mr Obama as anything other
than an American. I, myself am black and I am certainly .one of the best
human beings on earth. In my opinion, the so called “birthers” are the
racists, especially in relation to the Obama birth cert saga, and I tell you
what; if the birthers raised questions about the citizenship of previous
presidents – who were all white – it was alright. But if they do it in the
case of Obama, it surely is racism.
Take this from me, the idlers will never find anything other than the fact
that Obama is an American and Americans made the correct decision to have
elected him. There is no “heck of a mess” here Bruce. If you have any on
your hands, know that it is your colleagues, the birthers who placed it
there, and that will have nothing to do with Obama.
It is the birthers and other right wingers and what they do that is
disgusting not my putting a word in quotes, okay?
I want to repeat that Obama will make a better president than the moron
Bush.
Abubakar, Abuja, Nigeria.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:02 am

This whole thing with the fake birth certificate was probably cooked up by someone in the camp of Rupert Murdoch and the news corp. Since as a natural born australian he couldn't legally own the fox television station until he became a US citizen. Now he owns the Dow and New York times and controls one of the largest media conglomerates in the world. And I dont know if you folks follow Fox News but they're not exactly Pro Obama. Dont believe what they tell you, its all hokus pokus bull $%^. Do your own research.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

Carl4432,

Instead of empty words quote me some facts!!! I am challenging your superior intellect, show us that you are capable of ACTUAL thought rather than merely regurgitating empty, meaningless, statements every liberal talk show host (and yes I listen to them and not to Rush or Sean) has repeated ad nauseum. Give me facts, son, not your mantras,

By the way before you make a bigger fool of yourself read some up on some economics, read up on some some recent history about how enlightened Europe is sloooowly moving away from the Socialist model, read up how communism failed.

Oh, before I forget… the GAO (know who they are, kid?!?) also thinks Obama’s Theory of Economics is disastrous. Look it up and then I want to see you show off your brilliance.

Now, let me give you a fatherly piece of advice… please stop foaming at the mouth, it’s really bad for you kid.


Bill
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:04 am

Any child born in the US soil is an automatic American citizen, regardless of what else any other country states. But for the sake of discussion as per your statement, Obama was born in 1961 making him a British subject if he followed his father. But never mind this is the father who abandoned his teenage mom when Obama was 2 instead choosing to pursue his studies in Harvard.

The only legacy there is for Kenya is shame and abandonment, Obama is too decent to still acknowledge his paternal relatives. God Bless him


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:05 pm

Hey, did you hear that Sarah Palin lost her book deal? You betcha. She decided that everyone knew that the book was going to come to an end anyway, so she quit half way through.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:05 am

“Our Constitution requires our president to be born in the United States.”

I wouldn't go that far, Neil. It just requires that he or she be a natural-born citizen.

You can have that status if you're born abroad. *cough* John McCain *cough*

You just need your parents, or one of them at least, to be citizens. Certain details apply depending on whether it's one or both parents, etc.

I completely agree that there's nothing more to this story, from a truth-finding standpoint. But as a sociological opportunity or experiment, it is likely to continue to provide very instructive, fascinating data for months or years to come.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

Like fixing health care? /snickers

I hope I don’t have to sit in the nosebleed section for the “Crash and Burn” spectacle.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

“Dude”

People in their early 20′s use this term, I am curious

Please tell me your age , education level, and party of choice?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Just read your name thought so. When you get “growed up” write again


slimslowslider
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

and don’t forget the CAPZ LOCK POSSE!


Bill
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:10 am

I have a Kenyan birth certificate dated, 1964 and it is nowwhere near that crap these guys are pendling. Kenya Birth certificates are never on white paper, they are all landscape format and the registry guys does a pretty good job in the different numbers that appear on the certificate

Obama does not decide what kind of doc the US gov issues him, thats why he posted Birth certificate he got from Hawaii. Yet this immigrant woman has the audacity to forge docs and completely disregard US gov docs. How do we know her green card or whatever it is she has gives her legal residence? she is a master forger and should be sued to bankruptcy


Misha
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

you meant “prove” didn’t you?
Dummy


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

The grandfather provision of the “natural born Citizen” clause provides an exception to the “natural born” requirement for those persons who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, but had been born as British subjects before the American Revolution (or were born after the Revolution, but before 1787). Without this exception, ten subsequent presidents would have been constitutionally ineligible to serve.[1]


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

Why don’t you release your “original long from birth certificate”? I’ll bet you can’t. Even if you could it would just show that your parents were siblings. It might even mention that you were dropped on your head at birth.

I don’t know anybody that has their original birth registration. I’ve never even tried to get a copy of mine. Why? Because you don’t need it, idiot!

You people really need to get a grip on reality. You can’t even avoid contradicting yourself. For instance, how can someone be a “terrorist” muslim and have a “radical” BAPTIST pastor at the same time? I’m sure you’re one of the closet racists who say some c r@p like “I’m not racist, but I can’t vote for a black man”.


NuffSaid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Additional Amen! I’ve read his books and nowhere does he state he was born in Kenya. This fabricated “movement” is nothing more than a small group of ignorant white people who are pissed off that a black guy won. I’m white and I’m thrilled that he won. Of course, I also read and am capable of forming my own opinions, plus I don’t give a flip whether he’s black, white, purple or green – I only care that he is the best person for the job. Maybe that’s the difference between rational people and the Birthers.


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neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:22 am

Well, reasonable minds can differ on the birth requirement. I think birth on a US military base abroad qualifies, but I'm not convinced that birth abroad otherwise would. Whatever the case may be, the issue is moot and/or irrelevant because Obama was born in Honolulu.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

I love Chris kelly Take on this …

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;”

So if we take the Constitution “Literally” word by word with out left-wing liberal interpretation and spin then the outcome is:”

a. Barack Obama can’t be president, even if he was born in Hawaii, because Hawaii wasn’t a state when the Constitution was adopted In 1788.

b. Therefore you can only be president if you were born in one of the original 13 colonies. Sorry Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan Bill Clinton … What are you smiling at, Abe? Kentucky didn’t join the Union until 1792

c. Read it again … It’s not just about where you were born. It says you can never be president unless you were alive in 1788. That leaves out everyone but Robert Byrd.

Here is the full article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/the-constitution-says-oba_b_249730.html?page=21


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

Mine is the original. And I’m only a friggin cashier, not the bloody PotUS. Nowhere does it say “certification that the original exists.” In big, bold, Old English letters across the top it says “Certificate of Birth.” Even has the raised stamp from the Health Department, and the multicolored signature, that it’s required to have to prove it’s an original document, as it says right across the bottom. So, yeah. Just saying. I’d scan it to show you, but you’d probably try to get a driver’s license with it, or something.


slimslowslider
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

You really are a spammer though. That is my fact based take on this.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Were you born in Hawaii? Otherwise your post is irrelevant.


hlisso
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:37 am

If Obama had no US born birth certificate, how did he get documents such as SSN, drivers license, US passport. If he were born out of the country with one parent a US citizen, his mother, he would have been issued by the embassy in the foreign country a “Certificate of a US citizen Born in a Foreign Country, as many of our GI's kids born in Germany, Japan and elsewhere. Where is that? But, then again, where is his Hawaii issued birth certificate?
Is there any proof to this Malaysian BC used to get a California college scholarship?
Curious people want to know.


David Simmons
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

Sorry Timothy. You didn’t read the clarification? Treasury Secretary, and the White House, confirmed that they would NOT seek additional taxes on those making less than $250K/year.

I’d strongly suggest you actually look at the economic numbers. Yes, unemployment is still going strong, but it is slowing. Consumer Confidence actually GREW in the last reporting period, and the GDP shrunk less than it has in a year last quarter, indicating that the recession is slowing down, which indicates that the economy is turning around. Slowly. It takes a LONG time to undo the damage done over 8 years of pillaging.

Regarding respect around the world, I suggest you read the comments here , on this article, from our foreign friends. MOST of them have more respect for Obama than they EVER had for Bush. He was a 2-bit (fake) cowboy (he’s not from Texas you know. He’s upper-crust East Coast Establishment all the way, that fake Texas twang and all that brush-clearing aside). Obama is at least man enough to admit when he makes a mistake (as he did in the Gates affair). Has George *ever* admitted he made a SINGLE mistake in 8 years? Nope. Still hasn’t. Can’t.

So far, I’d say that Obama has done more for the American image abroad than I thought he could, given where we started. He has begun to turn the economy around, but it will take time given what a shit-can George and Dick left it smoldering in.

Now, regarding your assertion of the COLB from Hawaii. Yes, you can get one. But it will state clearly that you were not born there. Janet Okubo (I think that’s her name, I’d have to check) has said as much publicly. And you can do that today. BUT (and this is a big but, and a tricky part for most Birthers, so pay attention) that law was passed AFTER 1961. So Obama could NOT have done that. Since when have you had to show a birth certificate to work? I don’t. I show two forms of ID, usually my Social Security card and a driver license or a passport, and there you go! I even worked for the Federal Government and had to have a security Clearance (DOE Q Clearance) done, and they didn’t ask for my Birth Certificate. All that is a long-form (since birthers are so fond of those) way of saying I think you’re pretty much full of shit there.

I have no partisan hatred. Do I think the Republican party is full of shit? Completely. Do I think they convince people who are generally to ignorant to know otherwise to rally against their own self interests? Somehow they manage it. Do I think the Democrats are full of shit? Completely. Do I think they at least have the well-being of the country at heart? Yes, I do.

Now, lastly, your assertion that Obama is somehow ‘incompetent.’ On what do you base that? His Harvard Law degree? Or are you comparing him to George Bush somehow? Someone who’s major claim to fame seems to have been a) his daddy and b) his uncanny ability to run almost every business he touched previously (and currently, it turns out) into bankruptcy? George bankrupted an OIL company. In West Texas, During an OIL BOOM for fuck’s sake. And yet he was competent and Obama isn’t? I’d say the jury is still out on Obama, while it is well in on George. Bush was an abject failure in foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy, and even war.

So let’s at least give Obama a chance to succeed or fail. But to declare it a failure at this point? A bit premature.


Elton Stafford
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

Just being born on American soil makes one an American. If you did not know that Cricket51……….your ignorance is frightening. Learn more before you post again please.


Melanie Mink
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

His birth announcement in the HI papers was placed there by Hawaii’s Dept. of Vital Records, Chucklenuts.


Hal
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:44 am

Thanks for your illiterate comments.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

Right. And if only Bigfoot would land his UFO and step out arm in arm with Elvis we could put an end to all the questions that keep being raised. But the fact that he hasn’t only goes to prove that it must be true.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

You seem to favor the kind of transparency that is so transparent…it isn’t even there.


Aussie Gal
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:50 am

The Australian ABC have found the man whose birth certificate was copied. Listen to the interview here.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2646009.htm

His birth certificate was up on the net and they managed to find it.


nozone
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:50 am

But McCain wasn't born on a US military base. According to his birth certificate, he was born in Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama. Colon was always part of Panama, and was never part of the Canal Zone.
See for yourself:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11110505/JohnMcCain-B…


Anthony B
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

ask Palin to produce a BC for trig..and try n put that to rest


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

Crciket 51 All i have to say about your assertino about the US Constitution- BULL CRAP

Natural born citizen does nto translate into 2 US born citizens. nice try, It just goes to show how you end up shooting yourselves int eh foot. If that were indeedt he case NOONE HERE IS A US Citizen
If you were not of native american descent, then your how many generations back when they came over here from Europe and gave birth that child was not a US citizen ( using your logic). T
Enough.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

Hey Elton,

We’re not taking about just being an American citizen-we’re talking about a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, the requirement to be POTUS; that requirement is unique to the office of POTUS.

You’re the one who should be doing more research before you call others ‘ignorant.’ You’ve obviously not read the Constitution and if you have, do NOT understand it.


Ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:54 am

Bullshit. Conservative talk shows were full of excited speculation about how to amend the Constitution to allowed naturalized citizens to run for President. There was such a negative response from the public that Schwarzenegger himself had to go on TV and disavow the whole thing.

The difference? Schwarzenegger is white. Obama is black. And no one, NO ONE, questioned Obama's citizenship status until this idiotic birther nonsense started last summer.


Ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:56 am

Wrong. Islam has no such provision. You are confusing Islam with Judaism, where the child of a Jewish *woman* is automatically Jewish unless and until s/he converts to another faith.


Ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:57 am

Sorry, but that law wasn't passed until 1981.

Fail.


Ellid
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:57 am

He already released his birth certificate.

Fail.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

I work in the Mental Health field, and all I can say is you conspiracy theorists better get treated for Paranoia, and quit listening to the fat, pill popping (War on Drugs, Family values advocate, who has been divprced 3 times) Rush, who is the biggest hypocrite in the United States, and the most unpatriotic slob there is, wanting the President’s policies to fail and the every day , hard working, Americans to suffer, due to political reasons. I think his major audience consists of people who’s family tree doesn’t branch!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

What is it with you and double posting, sir? Your points really aren’t good enough to merit saying twice, fyi.

As for staying on-topic, have you ever had a conversation? There are these things called tangents. In Geometry, a tangent is a line that has one, and only one point in common with a circle. When alluding to a tangent in conversation, you’re in the circle talking about your thing, and then the tangent comes. Instead of staying in the circle talking about the same thing, you follow the tangent instead, and talk about something new. That’s where ideas come from. Talking outside the circle is a lot like thinking outside the box.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

Again, not up to Obama to disprove your crazy ideas. It’s up to YOU to prove them. So far, your side’s got nothing. Well, except forgeries.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Yes, I am a called Minister by The Spirit of GOD.  Evidently, you don’t know what an authentic birth certificate looks like.  That type of birth certificate that is shown on behalf of Obama is downsized version and I believe that that type of birth certificate is what corrupt corporatist and gain willed politicians are allowing to be accepted as a birth certificate to hide the true origin of where a lot a of these undocumented illegal people that are brought here to destroy the economy of our Nation by paying them slave wages.  I don’t know wether or not if you have seen an authentic long version of a birth certificate, if not ask one of your elders to show you what an authentic birth certificate looks like.  Thank You.  Because I am a Minister of Jesus Christ/The Word of GOD which is The Truth; it The Truth which I seek.  God Bless You.       

Ira L. Lewis


Lola Getz
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:09 am

Birth certificates don't contain information about religion. Get your own BC out and look at it, if you have one. It won't say what religion you are (and what newborn has a religion anyway?) or your parents either. Try it, then be embarrassed about what you said.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

“Your points really aren’t good enough to merit saying twice, fyi.”

Yes, they are. Yes, they are.

In my own defense, I find I have to say everything twice because people like you can’t listen once without their own pomposity getting in the way.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

I don’t care if you do work in the health industry, you had better do an investigation as what an authentic birth certificate looks like.  Evidently, you are a newer birth generation than myself; but I have the original copy of my birth certificate of 58 years of age and copies os that original copy.  You need to do background research as to what these type of birth certificates look like.  Again, GOD Bless you. 

Ira L. Lewis


mcboo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

I don’t know why you weren’t worried about debt 2 years ago, because the vast majority of it grew during the Bush years.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

Umberto,

I must tip my hat to your own obvious display of genius. Here’s the deaI (I realize it might make you uncomfortable, sorry!) I have said nothing about the birth certificate Dr. Orly Taitz showed on TV, because, whether she realized or not, it’s obvious to me that what she showed was a forgery. Which still does NOT resolve the question asked by the birthers. Only Obama can quell that argument, just like McCain immediately did when your people brought it up against him.

My comment only referred to an individual who tried to change the debate to bring up extraneous issues about Bush WHICH HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE. I merely tried to get him to provide facts on what he did say, instead of just foaming at the mouth!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Come on Toby Moby, just because you’re a democrat doesn’t mean you’re liberal or progressive and nobody buys into your charade. I’d take a northeast rockafeller republican over a southern dixiecrat any day and twice on sunday.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

Listen jerk,

If you knew how to read with comprehension you would already have the answers to your questions. As far as education is concerned I hold a master of science degree. Which high school did you graduate from? Facts…. You GOP assholes are all alike you get the facts and because you don’t like them you invent a reason in your own minds to ignore them. As far as economics goes it is not my field but I have had training in it now why don’t you lie and tell me you hold a PhD in it. GOP assholes are all alike they attack the person and ignore the message. GET A GRIP YOU ASSHOLES LOST AND our side is in power most likely for a long time that is W’s legacy I have repeatedly told my GOP friends that W was the best thing to ever happen for the Democratic party.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Bye the way I am 57 years in age now who’s the kid kid


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

There is a process for removing the president if conspiracy is proven; so, I would think it wise for Mr. Obama to just prove his birth with the long form certificate and be done with it! If, he chooses not to prove beyond doubt his citizenship, he’s done! The mob of irratated people will only grow, and the heat that is intensifying on congressional and senate leaders will flow over onto Mr. Obama – Whether he likes it or not!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

Umberto,

“In my own defense, I find I have to say everything twice because people like you can’t listen once without their own pomposity getting in the way.In my own defense, I find I have to say everything twice because people like you can’t listen once without their own pomposity getting in the way.”

Bravo!!! Bravissimo!!! Now take heed of your own words above and stop displaying your lack of intelligent debating skill… or any kind of intelligence, for that matter.

madcapfeline,

Be fair, please! Don’t confuse Umberto with things like geometry, he’s proven it’s above his pay grade.

Instead of sticking to the facts, instead of offering intelligen rebuttal based on known facts, he has to accuse anyone of his own blind pomposity. Pity him!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

Ya

GOP assholes are just that assholes


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:39 am

It is clear that the Framers viewed both those born within the territory of the United States (jus soli( as well as those both of a US Citizen abroad (jus sanguinus) were “natural born”.

The Naturalization Act of 1790, states that “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens”.

People confuse the concept of “native born” with “natural born”…the founders viewed them as somewhat distinct concepts. They recognized that Roman Law, which also dealt with these issues as more children of citizens were born beyond the actual borders of Rome. Thus they incorporated jus sanguinus (law of descent) into their concept of “natural born”. There were others that could apply for citizenship…through Imperial or Senate edict. Those that served in the Roman military of performed some act beneficial to the Empire were “naturalized”.

Obama was born in Hawaii, a US State…that allows him to be President by “jus soli”. But he is also a “natural born” Citizen via “jus sanguinus” nd that right was recognized by the Framers when they wrote the first Citizenship laws just three years after the Constitution was ratified.


dbs313
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:41 am

Everyone know's that he was born in Kenya,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in a manger.


billburkett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:41 am

Hmmm… Which network did Dan Rather work for before he was fired? It is not Fox News that has a proven track record of forging documents.


DivaSpinnerStar
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:44 am

Why does the media and others try so hard to discredit our President of the United States, I have never seen any other president put under the microscope like Obamma has had to endure. Just get with it. He is an American, He is a great President, He is cleaning up the mess left by the Bush and Clinton Family. Let him get us out of this recession and the country back on its feet already. Enough Already!! He's President and He is here, and so what, he just happens to be Black. Get over it, its 2009 already. When will u really just let the best man for the job, be the best man for the job.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

As if either of you knuckleheads had mad skills at debating. You don’t know nuthin’, don’t wanna know nuthin’ and ain’t trainable. You’ll make good Republicans.


purpleflick
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:47 am

I think I just threw up in my mouth! LOL that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time! Thank you for a good laugh!


Sven
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:48 am

The link used in Mr. Weigel's post for “'certified copy of registration of birth' from Australia” on bomford.net (http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/Da…) is invalid (“Page Not Found” HTTP 404 error).


purpleflick
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:51 am

Well look at all of the illegals obtaining their fake SSN#'s, dirvers license's and so on. Where there's a will there's a way. I'm not saying Obama stole his but if you're desperate enough to do it you'll fine a way to get it done.


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vbeauchamp
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:53 am

Wow. Can I live in your perfect place? Everyone in the world wants to live here in America. Why? I thought we were the stupid ones. Are Americans the only people dissatisfied with their government? I'll tell you what stinks……biting the hand that feeds you.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:59 am

On the Australian form, there is a section “Signature and Description of Authorized Person, and Name, Description and Residence of Informant”. This is not on the kenyan document.

The Australian document is “No. 2″. On April 10, 1959 David Jeffery was only the second person born that year? I know that Australia currently has a very low birth rate, but I doubt that it ever was THAT low.

Note that “G. F. Lavendar” is not aligned with the rest of the type on the Australian form. Everything else is neatly left aligned, like that was the margin set on the typewriter. Why would that line not match?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Crazy people don’t know they’re crazy. Take comfort in that YesIDo. You can make every argument you want and it can sound perfectly logical to you, but that doesn’t mean that it is logical to the rest of us. By the way, the short form birth cirtificate is an acceptable form of proof for eligibility to hold public office — even the president. The long form birth certificate is only an issue because the last peice of proof you asked for, you got.

You’re incredibly naive if you think it’s going to end by him revealing his long form birth certificate. The wheels will keep on turning, and more arguments will pop up. This is not about his birthing, its about delegitamizing BHO. It will never end.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:05 pm

That Bomford.net link isn't working.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

Carl,

“Jerk?!?” Is that your best argument?!? Brilliant! I bow to your superior reasoning.

I am 63, kid!!!

“GOP assholes are all alike they attack the person and ignore the message.” Wooow!!! I didn’t call you any names but you just proved who and what you are for the whole wide world to enjoy. Well done, sonny! Congratulations!!!


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

don’t know if this is true – But BRAVO.

It’s not true (not that that’s ever stopped a birther). One member of the National Guard volunteered, and then decided he didn’t want to be deployed (ok, he decided beforehand as his whole point in volunteering was to be part of an ill-advised court case). So they revoked his orders, and because this coward wanted to play games another soldier had to have his tour extended. That’s it. If any soldier is given deployment orders and refuses (other than Guard volunteers recruited by half-wit lawyers), he/she will face a court-martial.

If he is not a citizen – he is a criminal. And then we are in grave danger of a criminal alien running the military.

He is a citizen. So no danger of criminal aliens using their mind-control devices on us.

Produce the D@mned document.

Already did. In 2008.

If I were in his position I would go on National TV

We are all very glad you are not in his position.

show the document and let his opponents have an independed expert validate it and compare the hand or foot print to his own.

The worst thing the President of the United States could do would be to submit to the demands of deranged birthers who will never be satisfied.

This Would End the Controversy 100%.

Correction: 0%. Crazy ass birther will never stop.

If raises the legitimate Question – “What is he hiding?”

It only raises one question. Who let you people out of the asylum?


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:09 pm

Why can no one get comparative copies of uncontested birth certificates from both/either Kenya and Hawaii from that period. Wouldn't that put a lot of this to rest?


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:09 pm

The link is not working because “This account has been suspended.
Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources.” Austrailian ISP' are stingy with bandwidth.

By the way, I don't understand all the controversy, like most of the “Birthers” Obama's been “Born Again”, ain't that good enough for you whackos. Oh I forgot, he's the wrong color.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

I dont care to see any birth papers as it doesnt matter.. he is ineligible because his father was a British subject at the time of Obama’s Birth making him of dual allegience meaning he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! End of story.. over.. what is going to happen is he IS going to produce a BC that says he was born in Hawaii, and this will all get swept away and the real issue of NATURAL BORN will be no more…The BC issue is being pushed to hide the real problem. I totally believe he was born here.. but he will not ever be a NBC. To be natural born, both parents must be US citizens at the time of the childs birth. There is US Cit, Naturalized Cit and Natural Born…dont get them confused…


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

First of all, it’s not in his possession. It’s in the Hawaii state archives.

Secondly, why should he bother? He’s already released the birth certificate issued by the State of Hawaii. It’s good enough for any court in the land. Why submit to the demands of lunatics?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

It certainly does state “WHERE” the birth took place:

City, Town, or Location of Birth
Honolulu

Island of Birth
Oahu

County of Birth
Honolulu

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

If he’s been so good up to this point at lying and protecting his so-called secret, you don’t think he’d be able to doctor his long form birth certificate too? Try to suspend your disblief, if he’s managed to fool everyone but a small percentage of birthers, what makes you think that he can’t continue the charade and continue to fool people. This is the fallacy of the birther argument. If he was really that adept at deceiving the world, then he’d have no problem producing more deceptions to “prove” his critics wrong.

Here’s the circular logic: Imagine this scenario –

Birthers “Produce the long form birth certificate!”

BHO “Here it is.”

Birthers “it’s fake, you knew that somone would ask for that, so you had one forged. You took so long to produce it, we don’t beleive it’s real!”

Ok — where do we go from here guys?


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

We need to see and validate the original

No, you don’t.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

YesIdo:
first: Hawaii’s govenor is a she ( Linda Lingle) not a him.
and Linda Lingle (Rep.) confirmed that the BC of Obama is real and so did the Health Dep, Director Chiyome Fukino:

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen,”


tootiredoftheright
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:16 pm

Thing is when verification attempts are made those illegals are found out. You are saying the FBI and other departments that would have done background checks including contacting the various states and what not to have them look in their archives wouldn't detect irregularties that would show up if he had faked anything?


tootiredoftheright
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:17 pm

Dead wrong Fox has a proven track record of lying and they even got told in a court of law that they can legally lie.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Umberto,

Whether you write under this name or any of the others, try doing so without foaming at the mouth, try using some intelligence instead of ad hoc attacks. Just because you scream louder, proves nothing. Except… it shows what you are. Why do you need to publicize it? What desperate demand in your childhood was left unfullfilled?


Sven
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:21 pm

When resolving http://www.bomford.net/ the following is displayed:

This account has been suspended.
Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources.

Apparently the traffic has exceeded the amount allowed by the level of service purchased by the domain owner.


purpleflick
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

Not all are found out. I also said that I didn't say Obama did that either.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

Uh, yes he has, it’s called a COLB and the photographs at FactCheck


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:31 pm

Use the copy on the politijab site

http://politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&…


Historian
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

Oh please, your accusations are garbage. He lied to the US? Where is your proof? At the time of the Iraq war everyone believed Hussein had some sort of weapon, be it nuclear, chemical or biological. He was playing games with the UN in order to appear ‘strong’ to the Mullahs–making it seem that he did have something to hide. It turns out that there wasn’t anything, however nobody lied, save Hussein, and that was only to protect his own power. As for torture….please, I have delved through the pages of history and can tell you that this is nothing compared to actual torture.

You wish to look for a traitor and murderer, look no further than FDR. He went to bed with Stalin, giving him everything he wanted in order to ‘build a partnership to make the world safe for democracy,’ despite the fact that Stalin had killed over 20 million people by this time. He backed Stalin’s population transfer and repatriation programs which lead to the deportation of 30 million people and the deaths of 6 million of them, broken down as 2,000,000 Germans, 1,000,000 Poles, 1,000,000 Ukrainians and Belorussians combined, 1,000,000 ‘repatriated citizens’ (mainly Russians) and 1,000,000 Others (Romanians, Hungarians, Japanese, Bulgarians, Italians, Finns, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians combined). He has more blood on his hands than all other US political leaders combined.

Not to mention he broke several treaties between the US and USSR, ignored the rules of war as agreed upon as of 1908, violated the UN declaration which he himself authored and sold the 100 million survivors of Eastern Europe into Communism, some literally such as the Eastern Poles and the people of the Baltic States which were annexed by the USSR. You have the greatest war criminal of American History here, the beloved leftist leader FDR.

You with no knowledge of history try to depict Bush as a war criminal, yet have no idea what your talking about. The great generals of the past would have been far harsher on these hapless savages in Afghanistan, generals such as Patton and MacAurther, who actually fought the last major US war. Iraq and Afghanistan are naught but skirmishes given more people die from drunk driving per year in the US than all military casualties combined over 8 years. Oh self righteous fools who know nothing of true suffering, what do you say to the millions who died during WWII, the Poles for example, families of 8 where only one child survived, where entire generations were liquidated. That is war, it’s ugly, it’s inhuman, it’s something we have not faced in 64 years.


way2confused
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:39 pm

He is the best man for the job of destroying this country with his irresponsible spending. He keeps complaining he “inherited a $1.2 trillion dollar deficit” which he has now added, in less that a year mind you, an additional $2 trillion. This $2 trillion does not even take into consideration what the Federal Reserve has spend bailing out banks etc–no one know how many trillions they have spent. All he knows how to do is spend other peoples money and apologize to the world about how wrong the US is about everything. The man obviously despises the country and wants to transform it into his socialist eden.


nanorich
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:41 pm

A Web site, Amendforarnold.com, promotes the effort with photos of the Austrian-born Schwarzenegger and a mention of the Canadian-born Granholm — “Amend for Arnold and Jen,” it proclaims. The same people who are sponsoring the Web site have bought ads on California television, hoping to create a groundswell of support.

Several measures have been introduced in Congress, including a joint resolution by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., and Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, which proposes a constitutional amendment that would extend eligibility for the presidency to immigrants who have held U.S. citizenship for at least 20 years.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139952,00.html


GregNH
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:42 pm

I would just point out that Orly is NOT passing this off as anything. Her post clearly states she is seeking authentication of it.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

I am all for proofs, but what would make you believe? If I produced a piece paper, you would say I forged it, and that all levels of the government are in for the cover-up. Think about it. What would make you stop asking for proof? How would you arrange millions of people from looking at the certificate or using it for evil puposes?


lasttraintonowhere
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Thanks for the humor! I need it after reading all of this crazy right wing nonsense. God knows there are better, more productive uses for these people’s time than on such a ridiculous and hate driven effort.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

Only if it was a forgery…


jeff1234534
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:51 pm

Numnut, every economist has said we need to spend to get out of this recession the repubs created the last 8 years. HE HAS TO SPEND. Get it through your thick head. Doing nothing will cause even more unemployment and a slower recovery. Perhaps you should take an Econ 101 course before posting your pathetic rants, efftard.


carl4432
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

Are you people STUPID or what? Bush has killed how many thousands? Trashed our economy. Attacked and destroyed a country that has NOT warrented such an attack (Iraq). Rode his bike with Lance while we died and idiots are debating where O was born What a joke you GOP people are. At least he was elected, too bad your guy wasn't.


Sven
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.


Sven
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.


Sven
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.


Sven
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.


Sven
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.


Sven
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.


Sven
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.


Watts
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

This explains it all, and has the scan of the birth certificate. The problem isn’t with the explanation, dude — the problem is that people don’t want to listen to it and prattle on about “long form” versus “short form” without understanding what they’re talking about. When I requested a copy of my birth certificate for a job that required it a couple years ago, I got a “short form,” because that’s what you get from most states these days. That’s ALL you get. Instead of “long form” and “short form” we should be talking about “old form” and “new form.” Bureaucracies change forms over the years. It’s still a legal document. It’s accepted as a birth certificate by everyone except, apparently, Lou Dobbs and Orly Taitz… and other people who are, bluntly, looking for a reason to keep this dispute alive.

This is an absolutely crazy conspiracy theory. We HAVE the document. We’ve verified the publication of birth announcements from two papers in Hawaii in 1961! Are people making the case that somebody has forged freakin’ microfilm archives in the Honolulu Advertiser? Really? This doesn’t seem just a little farfetched?


Bruce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:54 pm

The Naturalization Act of 1790 has been overridden and has nothing to do with immigration law in August 1961. Natural born means that under the law at the time when the person was born, no request for naturalization needed to be made to make him a citizen.

If Obama was born in Hawaii, he would be natural born. I don't believe the birther nonsense, but their point is that there were at least three illegal methods of obtaining a legal birth certificate in Hawaii that would just rely on one adult telling a lie. And that the original birth certificate would show the type of documentation used to generate the original birth certificate as well as when the original birth certificate was issued that would clear up the issue.

Even many birthers probably don't believe that he was born overseas, But they do believe there may be embarrasing information on the original form as the reason he will not release the orginal.

McCain went through a similar indignity, and the federal courts held that the law at the time when he was born said that his birth in a US Territory to US citizens in the year he was born made him a natural born citizen.


slipshadow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

Why does the media and others try so hard to discredit our President of the United States, Since when is the media trying to discredit Obama…they walk in front of him throwing down rose petals…


CL_in_Pa
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

As Ms Palin said in her final speech, “Stop making things up!” … and, if that's not good enough for you then, as a member of the party that calls itself “the Christian right,” remember “Thou shall not bear false witness.”


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

Why won’t you admit that he has released his birth certificate? What on earth is the difference between a certified copy released by the state verifying the information on the original and the original itself? This is not about Obama, it is about you.


VanArsdale
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

way2confused:

Two points; one, the strongest criticism of Obama has been that he hasn't urged Congress to spend ENOUGH to stimulate the economy. Of course, that criticism is led by Paul Krugman, last year's winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics, but what does HE know? I mean, that Nobel thing is just a popularity contest.

Secondly, Obama can't spend ANYBODY'S money. All appropriations emanate from the House. He can only recommend.

Oh, BTW, would you conservatives quit beating that drum about Obama apologizing to the world? You sound like a bunch of whiny little tittie babies. We have completely effed up the Middle East. I think a little apologizing is in order. Don't you ever apologize to your friends and family, or are you perfect?


VanArsdale
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

way2confused:

Two points; one, the strongest criticism of Obama has been that he hasn't urged Congress to spend ENOUGH to stimulate the economy. Of course, that criticism is led by Paul Krugman, last year's winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics, but what does HE know? I mean, that Nobel thing is just a popularity contest.

Secondly, Obama can't spend ANYBODY'S money. All appropriations emanate from the House. He can only recommend.

Oh, BTW, would you conservatives quit beating that drum about Obama apologizing to the world? You sound like a bunch of whiny little tittie babies. We have completely effed up the Middle East. I think a little apologizing is in order. Don't you ever apologize to your friends and family, or are you perfect?


Lil Steveie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

I see BDS (Bush derangement Syndrome) is still alive and well.
Now that Obama has spent your grandkids retirement to combat the myth of global warming, he is well on his way to spend their grandkids retirement to fix a health care system that is only broken by the fact that we are giving free health care to illigal immigrants. The tru number or people w/o insurance is not 42 million that you hear over and over again it is actually closer to 10 million. I am the first to agree that even that number is to high but to spend 2 trillion dollars to give free health care to that group is insane.
STOP the bankrupting of America.


Lil Steveie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

I see BDS (Bush derangement Syndrome) is still alive and well.
Now that Obama has spent your grandkids retirement to combat the myth of global warming, he is well on his way to spend their grandkids retirement to fix a health care system that is only broken by the fact that we are giving free health care to illigal immigrants. The tru number or people w/o insurance is not 42 million that you hear over and over again it is actually closer to 10 million. I am the first to agree that even that number is to high but to spend 2 trillion dollars to give free health care to that group is insane.
STOP the bankrupting of America.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

and yet you had such a firm and unwaivering opinion without fact?

amazing the difference between opined emotion and fact isn’t it

under the law, yes, both McCain’s parents are American citizens. under the law so is Obama’s mother and in tern him.

the gray area is what the definition of “Natural Born Citizen” is vesus simply a “Statutory Citizen” which is a person who is a US Citizen by right (as opposed to by naturalization) but not necessarily Natural Born.

See, the constitution says No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office
of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not
have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a
Resident within the United States.

but, it never lays out a strict definition of “natural born” If you look at the 14th amendment and Title 8 of the US Code (both nicely included by will9 – thank you) you will see no mention of Natural Born in the definition.

If you look further at case law on the Federal level there is little to no attempt to define it there either.

Some states have basic statutes attempting to define it but there are conflicting viewpoints from state to state in how or what defines Natural Born.

Therefor, the specific use of Natural Born as a way to pre-empt a US Citizen (which Obama clearly is by the existing legal definition) is greatly dependent on the the reader’s definition. You choose to read it as meaning one thing but the only real meaning can be one that is defined legally. And, since none-such element exists the next best option is to use the tools priorly granted defining Statutory citizenship as noted above and go with those, which is what the US has been doing as a general rule of thumb since their adoption in clearing potential canidates for any office. When those come into question (such as Gov. Schwarzenegger in CA) different governmental entities have handled them in different ways.
As a matter of fact, just for the record on Mr. McCain actually, he was not born in the Canal Zone, he was born at Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama, which lies outside of the US territorial holdings and recognized as Panama proper. In April 2008 the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain’s status as a natural born citizen, so he basically got a government waiver to define his ambiguous status based on his unique case.


Shannon
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

You're a fucking moron


Shannon
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

You're a fucking moron


sickofdems
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

You sir are an idiot. Perfect example of the demcrapic party.


sickofdems
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

You sir are an idiot. Perfect example of the demcrapic party.


jeff1234534
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

This is what the repubs have been reduced to……crazy whack-job conspiracy theorists with no concept of logic, reason or rationality. How sad.

Hmm, why didn't they ask for Bush's birth certificate….or even a basic sanity test? Maybe it could have saved us a war, hundreds of thousands dead, and a recession. But this is the party of Palin………

All the repub clowns do these days is blabber on about socialism and other BS. It's like they can't stand the idea of a “colored” guy in power. I would wager that these people could not even define socialism if asked. Oh no, the guy wants to tax rich people more – well who else should pay for the mess created by the rich & their puppet Bush? The rich are paying hisorically low levels of tax – it was much higher under IKE (now where is the talk of him being a socialist?)

The pathetic knuckle-draggers really should get an education. But when you listen to folks like Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity (not one college degree between the three of them), then no wonder you end up with tea-baggers, birthers, and creationists all over the place.


slipshadow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

Abortion kills more people in one year than the whole Iraqi war did in Bush's 8 yrs total…and you post that crap….


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

1) True. But if the document were being used as a template, with some modications, one would take out the blank sections, particularly if they were blank, and unenumerated. Given the fact that many Kenyan births would be outside of hospitals one might expect that this section or something analogous, “should” be on a Kenyan document. The Taitz one doesn't. Maybe whoever created it wanted it to fit on a 8.5x 11 form? Why would someone INCLUDE a section in a fake that doesn't exist in the original, and leave it blank? More reasonable the other way 'round.

2) I doubt that David Jeffrey Bomford was only the second child born in Australia that year either. In fact I doubt that the Australians would be out counting who was the 234th Australian born in 1959 and providing these numbers in real time to put on Birth Certificates. Thus the number is either a “local” number (dealing with births in that District) or perhaps the number of the District of Hintmarsh. Or maybe DJ Bomford was #2 listing on pp.5733?

2) I doubt that David Jeffrey Bomford was only the second child born in Australia that year either. In fact I doubt that the Australians would be out counting who was the 234th Australian born in 1959 and providing these numbers in real time to put on Birth Certificates. Thus the number is either a “local” number (dealing with births in that District) or perhaps the number of the District of Hintmarsh

3) So. If you look carefully you'll see that the letters do line up precisely with the ones above. Misalignments like this are common when the writer is simply aligning the left margin visually. If there are several “empty rows” the visual cue is absent and it's hard to line up the margin precisely. In fact, that's precisely what might happen with the gap produced by the situation you noted in (2). Thats actually good evidence it was done on an older model typewriter, one with perhaps the margin tab disfunctional, rather than a word processor.

lso note, though perhaps it's my imagination, that there is an erased “dot” in the blank section above, that might have been an effort to place a margin cue in that section. But it also looks mis-aligned.


VanArsdale
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

I'm not doubting your word, Bruce, but when did “Federal Courts” adjudicate McCain's eligibility? I've done extensive research, and I've never heard of any court deciding the issue. Can you cite?

I do remember the US Senate passing a Resolution (non-binding, unfortunately) clarifying the issue. It was introduced by Dems McCaskill & Leahy and Republican Coburn. It passed unanimously, with every single Democrat voting for it. Shows a lot more class than Republican Congressmen introducing legislation to require BC's of all “future” candidates and muttering mealy-mouthed platitudes when asked if they believe Obama is eligible to be president.


jeff1234534
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

what people, zygotes? you a religious nutjob who voted to put a know-nothing bimbo one hearbeat away from the presidency. You are an effing joke.


jeff1234534
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

oh, yeah, be real proud of the bush years – the worst in history. good one, numnut.


alltrue
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

National debt is now 11 trillion. 8 trillion of that accumumlated under Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2. Five trillion accumulated under Bush 2 all by himself, mostly to fund wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that serve no purpose at all. In reality, illegal immigrants contribute more in withholding taxes than they ever receive in free health care or any other program. They will never be able to access all the Social Security and Medicare taxes paid in. The actual uninsured/underinsured is 45-50 million people, all citizens. We are not bankrupted by “tax and spend” liberals, but by “BORROW and spend” Republi-nazis.


jeff1234534
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:19 pm

By the way tool, was abortion stopped under the bush administration????? Your logic is as flawed as your pathetic party. Stupid eff-tard.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

The question I have is why won’t he relase his SAT scores, transcripts, Thesis, etc. Could it be that he is not that bright. I mean even the idiot Bush had to release his grades etc but Wonder Dog does not have to.


HunnyB8975
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:25 pm

John McCain wasnt born in the US, how come they dont over scrutinize his birth certificate???

Barack Obama, could be born anywhere on the planet, point being his MOMMA was a Us Citizen, there he'd come out the womb as one. End of story.

“Generally, if you are born in the United States or born to U.S. citizens, you are born a U.S. citizen, unless you are born to a foreign diplomat.”

http://www.american-citizenship.org/


martha
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

and what hole is your head buried in? this man is a huge danger to american freedom.he is rapidly grabining control,and changing freedom as we know it.when a person wans to make it so that the government takes over major corperations such as banks,auto indust,housinging,and medical,this is a total step to control you,your choices,your life style.obama has put his self in front of the public on a consistant basis. with his speechs of what wonderful care and plans he will give the american people.this is how castro,stalin,idi amien,hitler,the list of dictators goes on. but all sweet talked the people of a wonderous improvment with change,read your history.humanity was lead like lambs to the slaughter,till it was to late.the iron gate of socialisam and commie control slamed shut.this so called president is the catilist of americas fall from freedom.listen to his empty speechs,his words are full of me's an i's.when he gets finished….we will have know country the free USA standing to put back on it's feet.


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

I really am sad to see this 'birther movement' gain traction, instead of puttering out like I thought this would it seems to have hooked its tentacles into every main stream and some independent news medias as well. I understand that we have to debunk this theory but it seems that quite the opposite is happening. Lou Dobbs is a jerk in a major way, but he took his ummm.. jerkiness to a much higher level ( jerkiness is a word but birther is not ). I think its just away for racist to spin there hate without being called to mat and being made to look like KKK members. This is 2009 why such hate, I had hoped the next generation would kill this nonsense, but unfortunately people like these 'birthers' will cling to anything that will keep there ‘America’ like they remembered it 60 years ago, segregated.


kurtisle
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

Wow, you are pretty gullible…and dumb.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

I hate splitting hairs, but to be honest that’s not a fair comparison. Bush’s honor and Obama meeting the requirements to be Presidet? Come on, that’s not even an intelligent comparison. The difference between Repubs and Libs is what we choose to bitch about, either Bush’s war record and Palins clothing or the Presidents birth record. It becomes clear in comparison. Listen to Fortunate Son and maybe you’ll understand why his war records might be missing. Right, no but not the same as Obama’s BC by a LONG shot. (And wasn’t there a Lib who was caught lying about his war record?) Food for thought.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

You’re Strange. He had seen his grandmother regularly. Michelle, the girls, would vacation there during Christmas time. Fact: Obama has a white grand uncle who is still alive, and Obama spoke of him numerous times during his campaign as helping to free Jewish concentration camps in Europe. This same uncle attended his inaugration. So, you see, there is another “living” person around. Check your facts.

I’m sure he was vetted by everyone and everybody and if they could have found him NOT to be a citizen he would have NEVER, I repeat NEVER, obtained the Office of President.


Freedoms_Cost
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

It took Bush 2, 8 years to accumulate his debt, the Obamessiah in a mere 6 MONTHS already passed the Bush half point! Learn some basic 'rithmetic before u open your moth and show everybody what is missing between your 2 ears.


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

LOL! tea-baggers! Do they even know what that means? I have a sneaking suspicion they do!


kurtisle
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

It is because they have NOTHING else. The Right is done. The intelligent people of this country stopped listening to Bill O and Rush and started using their heads for more than holding their hats up. Unfortunately, there are some Small Brains still out there who, with nothing better to do, get onto the internet and look for trouble to start. These are the wasted few who are lost to reality. Toe suckers. The Great Unwashed.


kdizzydaze
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

We don't call ourselves the christian right – you do
You are the party of taking categorizing and labeling people.


kurtisle
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

Oh, and they are unable to spell correctly because they huffed too much paint while in their teens, and their brains don't work well anymore.


Freedoms_Cost
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

Even by your own math, Obama surpassed the Bush 2's half way point (and that took 8 years to accumulate!) in a mere MONTHS! Quick, learn some basic 'rithmethic before you open your mouth.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

It’s people such as yourself who probably don’t know who their “real” father is, try to project this onto someone else. He knows his heritage, too bad you don’t.


s johnson
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:36 pm

Actually, they did: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar… , but I suppose its only ok to question the Republican candidate, BO deserves affirmative action on natural born citizen, after all, he is our affirmative action president.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

The Australian BC is a fake. Put it in Photoshop and you will see. Also, notice the number 1's in his date of birth are completely different. MR. Bomford is a FAKE!!!


Ed T
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

Shrub 2 inherited a surplus, which he turned into a deficit then into the next Great Depression. Worst president we ever had. Just like after Ray-gun/Shrub 1, the Democrats are left the pay off the deficit.


Ed T
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

Shrub 2 inherited a surplus, which he turned into a deficit then into the next Great Depression. Worst president we ever had. Just like after Ray-gun/Shrub 1, the Democrats are left the pay off the deficit.


Ed T
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

Quick, learn some basic economics before you open yours.


conservative1
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Show me a real birth certificate for Obama. People can make up all kinds of fake ones until then. The next one could be from planet Krypton (LOL).

Mcain is not the president, if he was, there would be a raft of Moveon.org nut birthers out there for him. The difference is that he would actually have a birth certificate.

I do not care where he was born if he loves America. Something that I doubt.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Can't win, so you bring up racism as usual. Is Alan Keyes a racist for questioning Obama's birthplace?


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Can't win, so you bring up racism as usual. Is Alan Keyes a racist for questioning Obama's birthplace?


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Can't win, so you bring up racism as usual. Is Alan Keyes a racist for questioning Obama's birthplace?


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Can't win, so you bring up racism as usual. Is Alan Keyes a racist for questioning Obama's birthplace?


kdizzydaze
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Your anger knows no bounds and is kind of fun to read.


kdizzydaze
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Your anger knows no bounds and is kind of fun to read.


kdizzydaze
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Your anger knows no bounds and is kind of fun to read.


kdizzydaze
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Your anger knows no bounds and is kind of fun to read.


kdizzydaze
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Your anger knows no bounds and is kind of fun to read.


recross1960
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

its amazing to me that all this wasnt looked into and discovered long before this man was allowed to even run for president.Now that he is in office and ruining america as we know it and allowing his family to roam the world on american taxpayers money,its to late.
America is being destroyed by this so called Barrack Obama.I hope all you that voted for him have visas to africa because thats what america is being turned into and thats who Barrack Obama is selling our country to.


recross1960
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

its amazing to me that all this wasnt looked into and discovered long before this man was allowed to even run for president.Now that he is in office and ruining america as we know it and allowing his family to roam the world on american taxpayers money,its to late.
America is being destroyed by this so called Barrack Obama.I hope all you that voted for him have visas to africa because thats what america is being turned into and thats who Barrack Obama is selling our country to.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

Many constitutional scholars look to acts of Congress from the time period in which the Constitution was ratified as evidence of the framers' intent, since many of the framers were voting members of Congress as well. So, the point is a valid one.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

The war in Iraq wasn’t WON. Obama decided he would honor his campaign promise and ‘pull out of Iraq.’ He cleaned that one up for Bush and now he has to work on Afgahnistan — the 2 wars Bush initiated.

Oh, haven’t you heard? The economy is on the upswing, housing is rebounding, and banks are repaying that loan. All of this in just 6 months as opposed to Bush’s 96 months in office.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Planning on collecting your social security when you’re retired? Freakin’ liberal SOCIALIST.

Give me a break with your idiotic socialism baiting. Perhaps you should look up some of the programs you and your loved ones take advantage of that, by definition are socialism.
;


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

Do you even read the paper? Who created the mess we are in now, no one had anything to say about Retarded and Chief Bush nose-diving our economy into the ground his last few weeks in office? Do you think the cash for clunkers was Obama’s idea? I don’t think so, I think Senator Chuck Schumer came up with that brilliant idea and the fools in Congress passed it. Even if the number is only 10 million without health insurance ( and I highly doubt that) why should the child down the street not have access? That is heartless, yes I have said it. Who picks you fruits and vegetables, who fix's your streets, umm let me think oh yeah illegal immigrants. Hey I don’t like it either, especially because illegal’s from Haiti always end up back in Haiti, Mexicans stay, get caught then they let them out and make them promise to come back for a court date. Haitians’, if they even make it here without half the boat drowning, are arrested held in camps or facilities and then unceremoniously shipped off! Read a paper and learn something about the real immigration crises in this country. If we wanted Hispanics out we would put them out.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

I didn’t see any indication of a Raised Seal. That’s the problem with computer copies – you can’t see the seal and without out that it’s not certified.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

I really don’t care either way but “Scaredfor US” won the arguement hands down which is really funny because MANTIS was so offensive and now must be feeling a twit. Great blog and I learned a lot.

I learned that there are people out there that are not really stupid but very opinionmated such as Mantis but the really intelligent and educated people like “Scared…” make Mantis’s look stupid in a universally truthful kind of way.


recross1960
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

How can anyone even consider anyone a racist when your hero obama has made it very clear he is in fact a racist and his friend henry gates is as well.And untill he discovered that other black scholars thought his statements were out of line did he decide to attempt to defuse the situation?All this racist crap is being kept alive by the black community because to admit racism is a dead horse,they would be admitting they are not a minority but an equal and heaven forbid they do that,the welfare would be cut off.Grow up,and get off your lazy ass like REAL Americans do


travieso
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

Wait. You are not winning. Stop projecting. The Birther movement has just shown itself to be in the same vain as alien autopsies and the Boogeyman…..And, after the signs I saw from various 'tea parties' around the country, yes, racism is a part of it for so many rightwingers.


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

That is not called for, I think your a moron for using language like that when someone doesnt agree with you. Very rude!


neilliyanarchi
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:52 pm

They are still trying to find out Obama's birth certificate.
Get over with it idiots.
His mother is a US citizen and he is an automatic US citizen regardless wher ever he is born.
He was born in Hawai,ok.
Is that enough for people who is bickering about Obama's citizenship.
Stop these nonsens,republican.
How many times this citienship issuue came along and it was buried.
STOP BICKERING NOW AND GET WITH THE PRESIDENT and work towards our national pride,ok


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:52 pm

Really? Who is it that is always talking about the “Socialist, Marxist, Democrat” (as opposed to Democratic) party again? I love how the right tries to distract from it's own name calling by accusing the other side of precisely what it is guilty of.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

I think it's great how the pressure is building and building and building.

As the “birther” movement grows and grows, the “anti-birthers” grow more and more hysterical as they're reduced to hurling insults and accusations of “racism” because they have absolutely nothing else to argue with.

Obama can defuse the whole thing with one 30 second phone call, but he doesn't.

Kinda makes you go “Hmmmmmmmm …” doesn't it?

Where's the Birth Certificate?


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

Because it's true, like many people have pointed out John McCain was NOT born in America but his citizenship is not called into question. Don’t be upset your a racist you should embrace your ineptitude to see the person and not the skin. Sorry for you.
And yes Alan Keyes is a racist for questioning Obama's birthplace.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

I really don’t care either way but “Scaredfor US” won the arguement hands down which is really funny because MANTIS was so offensive and now must be feeling a twit. Great blog and I learned a lot.

Well there you go. Barack Obama must not be a citizen because I offended a birther. Good thinking.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

Funny how white Republicans are so sensitive to “reverse racism”, but regular racism doesn't seem to exist in their world.


Sven
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

Something I almost hate, but not quite as it's more like an annoyance akin to a gnat buzzing around one's ears (or would it be eyes in this case? or both ears and eyes!), is the misuse of words, e.g. their, there, and they're, which I believe is all too common amongst posters on here and elsewhere. This is not meant to imply hating the posters nor finding them annoying.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

No he can't. (Defuse the whole thing with a 30 second phone call).

He's already released the birth certificate.


recross1960
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

ebonyangel/shedevil,you mam are the true racist.To blame the problems in america on bush it crazy,this crap started when the,Ididnt inhale,and I did not have sex with her came out of that lieing,adulterous clinton and has snowballed since.If you think for a minute that a 2yr senator is capable of running this country you are sadly mistaken and it is being proven by the around the world vacations the obama family has taken since being in office.Racism is your excuse for not being willing to take advantage of the opportunities the entire country has.It is alive only in those who claim its eyes.Racism died yrs ago the black activist just wont allow it to die,they themselves keep it alive and so do you ebony!


Swimbiker
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

No, it doesn't. It makes us wonder about your sanity.


unracistamerican
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

have you ever applied for gov. aid you need like 8 proofs of i.d. illigals dont get gov. help they cant even if they know it is available,they work for all there money and pay up front to go to the dr.Have you ever had to watch your family scrape out a life from nothing on a farm and still suffer from pverty and near starvation,your children,mother,wife?They do,all they want is a better life for thier family woludnt you?Using illigals as scape goats for our mistakes is becoming appalingly to commen as well as untrue,we(americans)get gov. help or go to the E.R. and dont pay,we live above our maens get in debt then want some one to blam look in the mirror,they dont get credit cards,or food stamps,or medicaid,they cant with out i.d. They live in run down houses work piece of crap low paying job and are put down or taken addvantage of by us and all the time are just grateful to have what little they have,no american would live like that we would get help from the gov.we need to remember what this country started as and is ment to stand for FREEDOM for all peopl,under god illigals are just peopl. who started with nothing and dont want their kids to grow up starving would you,how about you try understnding somthing before you critisize it,odds are your ancestors were immagrants to unless your an indian.


Swimbiker
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

So, you're a “real American”? That is a shame, because you're sorely lacking in logical and reality.


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

Are we just counting American soldiers? I think if we counted EVERYONE killed like Iraqis and other nationalities than your figure may not be higher than the Iraqi war, plus abortion is between the woman who is having it and maybe her partner. Not you or anyone else. On the other hand, the war concerns us all.


Happy Birthday, Mr. President «
Pingback posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

[...] debunkers (there’s a job description) to trace the source document for the forgery (source: The Washington Independent). It’s a 1964 Australian birth certificate posted on a genealogy website and available to anyone [...]


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

Wanting clarity on our presidents citizenship qualifications is not racist. Most people who have this concern (the ones you smear as 'birthers', just like the protesters you smeared as 'tea baggers' -both very derogatory) immediately laughed at the forged document, knowing it would be used as a tool to 'prove' that all birth questions are stupid.
I will go as far to say that you ebony angel are being racist by pulling the Gates strategy to use race as a tool for your own benefit. Don't worry though, I am sure you will convince yourself differently and will still be able to sleep well tonight.


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

Wanting clarity on our presidents citizenship qualifications is not racist. Most people who have this concern (the ones you smear as 'birthers', just like the protesters you smeared as 'tea baggers' -both very derogatory) immediately laughed at the forged document, knowing it would be used as a tool to 'prove' that all birth questions are stupid.
I will go as far to say that you ebony angel are being racist by pulling the Gates strategy to use race as a tool for your own benefit. Don't worry though, I am sure you will convince yourself differently and will still be able to sleep well tonight.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

Or maybe he just knows his only chance of getting anywhere in politics is by being one of the few minority members of the Republican party. As much as they say they are against it, they do seem to have their own “affrimative action” program going on. (See Michael Steele)


Swimbiker
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

Well, duh! It WAS looked into before he was running for President. It was looked into when he entered the first grade. It was looked into when he got innoculations. It was looked into when he entered high school, applied for a passport, applied to college, applied to run for the Senate, etc. etc.


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

Dude learn how to spell or at the very least learn how to spell check. My mom would kick your…oh never mind. You arent worth it. And you just proved my point, racist!


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

Makes sense to me that a guy who's lived his whole life in ustralia and posted his BC on the web in 2006…long before the Russian nutjob began her anti-Obama campaign…he's the one with the fake BC…not someone who photoshopped it and used it (outstandingly ineptly, I might add) s a template to pull of this fake.

I guess they were too lazy to try and obtain a real Kenyan BC from which to photoshop? One that wasn't on the web.

My gawd…their best defense for fraud is that their forgery was so shabby “we didn't think anyone would believe it.” But I wonder if auctioning this thing off on EBay constitutes interstate wire fraud? Orly Taitz it's said, paid $l000 for this…jeesh, if it were authentic don'tch think it would have gotten millions? But only Taitz was dumb enough to buy it.


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

In Hawaii, why dont you take a vacation and go see it.


abubakarabujanigeria
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

I think that these debate about Obama's birth cert is very sickening; it potrays americans as speulators and rumour peddlers. It is just stupid. I think that the brains behind this devilish misinformation missed the train back in Denver.
They are in cahoots with author Corsi and lot other swift-boaters. They should have played this card may be even earlier, say during the Democratic nomination debates so that Clinton, Richardson, Biden, and other Americans, would have had the opportunity to make a timely investigation about the Obama-is-not-an-American saga.
What I think: t is too late for Americans to do anything about the Barak Obama presidency. The “nigger” WILL rule them and he will be a brilliant CEO, certainly better than the dullard called Bush. This is not something Americans, especially the bad losers, can help.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

And still an asshole after all those years


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:06 pm

You just made a very racist comment in your post, Grow up and act like REAL Americans do. What is a real American, what makes you a real American?


yosemitesam
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

Ah, I see that the morons on the political right are still sucking their thumbs after McCain and Palin went down in flames. Here's the thing – does anyone with half a brain (had to say that so that the conservatives wouldn't feel left out) really believe that either major party would ever allow an illegal resident to run for president? Please…..this is so stupid that it defies imagination. If this is the best you can come up with, then it's really better for the country that conservatives remain in the political minority. But after the recently-completed eight year fraternity party that was hosted by King George the Dimwitted, no one should be surprised at the intellectual dross that passes for conservative commentary these days.

For all of you moron Republicans (I know, redundant) who can't seem to read either the record or the Constitution, here's how it is: The Constitution doesn't allow for naturalized citizens to run for the presidency. That's why the conservative, spastic steroid user who was elected to the governorship in California will never be allowed to run. What the Constitution DOES require is that at least one parent be an American citizen. The country of birth is neither a qualifying nor disqualifying factor and is never mentioned in the Constitution. Citizenship is based solely on your parentage, NOT your place of birth. Obama's mother is American. Game over. If, as the birthers claim, your place of birth determined your eligibility, then McCain would have never been allowed to run, seeing as how he was born in…..oh yeah…..the Panama Canal (when his father was stationed there as a naval officer).


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

I never made up birthers, or tea baggers. I think tea baggers was created by the tea bagging movement. LOL


carl4432
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

1+1+1 equals what? You can't answer that one I bet. Bush came into a pile of cash Clinton left him. Clinton paid off Bush's Daddy and Ronnie's debt. NOW LET ME THINK wasn't Ronnie the balance the budget Prez? I am sick and tired of the GOP running its stupid mouth about us tax and spent Dems. ONLY A FOOL CUTS INCOME AND RAISES SPENDING LIKE YOUR BOY “W” he cut taxes saying it would raise everything while to only thing raised was unemployment. He weakened the dollar ON PURPOSE. You boys need to hide under a rock as the GOP and Rush need to be on Perkadan because of all the pain and suffering at their feet. The sad part is you idiots still vote for a FAILED party


Freedoms_Cost
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

Ed,

Please enlighten us with your obviously superior knowledge. I can't wait to learn from you!


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

As Bill Maher said the other day…..Hey birthers! I'll show you Obama's birth certificate when you show me Sarah Palin's high school diploma!


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

As Bill Maher said the other day…..Hey birthers! I'll show you Obama's birth certificate when you show me Sarah Palin's high school diploma!


ice9
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:11 pm

Sorry if this has been mentioned already…but wouldn't the similarity in document form (not contents) be explained simply by the influence of British bureaucracy on both nations?

ice


NGA
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Or you let this joke of a conspiracy run it’s course and muddy the message from Conservatives (GOPer’s). There is zero credibility of the crazed “birthers” but for some odd reason, people believe them.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

No, he has NOT released the original long-form birth certificate. All he has released is a certification that the original exists.

Where is the original and why hasn't he released it?

… and notice how I'm called crazy just for asking a simple question?

What's it like to be True Believers who take on faith alone what Obama refuses to prove?

Is Obama like you new god or something?


Monitor
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

Where's the complete, originial, Hawaiian birth certificate? That document would end a lot of questions … but both sides have to play a game, claiming moral superiority, while there is hanging over the President a simple question: Where was he born? In one of his books, he claims to have been born in Kenya.

Produce the original, and the problem is solved.


Monitor
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

Where's the complete, originial, Hawaiian birth certificate? That document would end a lot of questions … but both sides have to play a game, claiming moral superiority, while there is hanging over the President a simple question: Where was he born? In one of his books, he claims to have been born in Kenya.

Produce the original, and the problem is solved.


Monitor
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

Where's the complete, originial, Hawaiian birth certificate? That document would end a lot of questions … but both sides have to play a game, claiming moral superiority, while there is hanging over the President a simple question: Where was he born? In one of his books, he claims to have been born in Kenya.

Produce the original, and the problem is solved.


Bruce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

Your racist remark is disgusting. True “birthers” don't base their case on the obviously photoshopped Kenyan BC or the Australian fake that is probably the second in the series of “Obama Birth Certificates of the World” series that you can order for $19.95, proving he was born in each of the nations in the UN.

As you can see from this thread, there would have been Democratic birthers if McCain had won, just as there were birthers for a dozen or so other candidates for the US presidency in the past (all of the other candidates who had their citizenship questioned were white)

If it is ever found out that our currently legitimately elected president was not in fact eligible when elected, we will have one heck of a mess on our hands, but til they prove something, just let them run their mouths.


Bruce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

Your racist remark is disgusting. True “birthers” don't base their case on the obviously photoshopped Kenyan BC or the Australian fake that is probably the second in the series of “Obama Birth Certificates of the World” series that you can order for $19.95, proving he was born in each of the nations in the UN.

As you can see from this thread, there would have been Democratic birthers if McCain had won, just as there were birthers for a dozen or so other candidates for the US presidency in the past (all of the other candidates who had their citizenship questioned were white)

If it is ever found out that our currently legitimately elected president was not in fact eligible when elected, we will have one heck of a mess on our hands, but til they prove something, just let them run their mouths.


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.


Mike
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.


carl4432
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

Freedom,

Grow up, learn to think, stop listening to Rush. He is getting rich off you nuts. Go back to school get an education that is the first rule. After that you might see the folly of your thinking pattern.


carl4432
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

Freedom,

Grow up, learn to think, stop listening to Rush. He is getting rich off you nuts. Go back to school get an education that is the first rule. After that you might see the folly of your thinking pattern.


marty74
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

Obama's birth cetificate has been shown several times online by the state of Hawaii and the WH.
Look for it!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

The age of the citizen parent is the main factor. But, the Paternal Father was a citizen of Kenya. The Mother was not old enough to pass on Citizenship to B.H.O. alias Barry Soetorro. Call me stupid? That might be so, although it would be for you to prove… I correctly call you ignorant. The proof has been documented with your comments.


Watts
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

As mentioned in the Snopes article, the seal is on the back side of
the document; if you look at it you can see markings from that, but
you’re right in that it’s not really “proof” of anything. A scan of
the back of the document wouldn’t “prove” anything, either — it
could, after all, be a scan of a different document. So the testimony
of those who’ve actually handled it is arguably better than offering
another JPEG, right? And reporters have indeed handled it and verified
that the mark is indeed there:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Now, of course, those reporters could be lying. But I guess my bottom
line here is that at some point you have to stop and ask yourself how
far one needs to go to validate this: we have photographic evidence,
eyewitness testimony, newspaper records (which nobody seems to have
challenged the validity of), and of course the circumstantial evidence
that Obama has other documents — a driver’s license, a passport —
which normally require a certified birth certificate to obtain.

I think a lot of us just love conspiracy theories that suggest The
Other Side isn’t just proposing and enacting policies we don’t agree
with, but is somehow actively evil. So Bush is involved with the 9/11
attacks, or Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster killed. And I have little
doubt that had McCain won, there would be some core of people trying
to prove his birth circumstances disqualified him from being
president, too. But I think we love them because they provide
distractions from the disquieting truth that The Other Side is not
acting out of Illuminati-supported malice, but instead doing what they
think is the best for the country — and that an awful lot of our
fellow countrymen agree with them. That was true of Bush, and Clinton,
and Reagan. And it’s also true of Obama.


marty74
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…


johnr49
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

If this is not true, I wonder why Obama doesn't settle the matter by producing his original birth certificate. I have a copy of mine, which you need to get any type of license, so I'm sure he has a copy of his.
BJ


Mr. Frosty
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

Dear recross1960. I'm assuming that's the year of your birth, so you can't claim youth as a defense against either ignorance or illiteracy.

My history books reveal that our 15th President, perhaps our greatest President ever, served as a two-year senator and then had the wisdom and strength to lead our nation through it's darkest moments.

Racism is an institutional fact that was shaped by 400 years of slavery. We are not quite a post-racial society, but we're close. It seems to me that the ones benefiting from the “race card” these days is the right, who have re-adopted the sick strategy of calling minorities “racists” when they do things like get nominated for the Supreme Court, win the Presidency, or get arrested in their own home.

I think our President is a great example of taking the opportunities that our country has to offer. From modest means, he is a self-made millionaire and has every potential to be remembered along with the pinnacle of the American Presidents – Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy – as one of the greatest ever.

Mr. Recross1960, you need to heed the words of our leader and add a two-year degree to your own resume. Or, at least hit the spell check function on whatever electronic gizmo you're using to rant here.


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

I doubt you need the original to get a license. What you need is simply an “Authentication of Live Birth”…not the full, original certificate.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

Well yose. Look again at that constitution your trying so diligently to spout quotes from. As a matter of fact, Obama's mother was one year shy of being considered eligible to pass on citizenship to her son. So yes I do think that a major party would allow such bullsh@t to transpire. They probably realized it to late and are trying to look less like a bunch of dumb@$$es than they already do. So shut up and let him prove it.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

Well yose. Look again at that constitution your trying so diligently to spout quotes from. As a matter of fact, Obama's mother was one year shy of being considered eligible to pass on citizenship to her son. So yes I do think that a major party would allow such bullsh@t to transpire. They probably realized it to late and are trying to look less like a bunch of dumb@$$es than they already do. So shut up and let him prove it.


Swimbiker
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

It was looked into. He passed with flying colors. He's a natural born citizen. Get over it!


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

In which of his books does Obama say he was born in Kenya? Title and page number please.


jmw2006
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

BIRTHERS…….IDIOTS

sorry to say but true


jmw2006
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

BIRTHERS…….IDIOTS

sorry to say but true


jmw2006
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

BIRTHERS…….IDIOTS

sorry to say but true


jmw2006
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

BIRTHERS…….IDIOTS

sorry to say but true


jmw2006
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

BIRTHERS…….IDIOTS

sorry to say but true


Swimbiker
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

He doesn't have to show you anything. He has satisfied the FBI and the Secret Service.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

I would love to see the citation from “one of his books” where he claims to have been born in Kenya. If you can find that and post it, I'll personally send you a thousand dollars.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Your whackadoodlery is astounding Atlas. You outright reject any hard evidence that disproves your whacked out assertions and continue to assert falsehoods as though they were truths. And, for the record, comments that you are touched in the head aren’t ad hominem attacks. Your statements are proof that something ain’t quite right with you. Now, if someone were to say “You have sex with horses; therefore, your arguments concerning President Obama’s already proven US citizenship are invalid,” THAT would be an ad hominem attack.


MinnSteve
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

Yosemitesam,
Does not sound like you are a very bright person at all. The problem with people like you is that you know you can not accomplish anything on your own so you are plenty happy to have a democrat lead congress to give you as much as they can so you can sit home on your computer that more then likely your mom or dad bought for you or maybe the goverment already bought it for you. You will never have your own business or contribute to society but you will spend your entire life whinning that the “rich” don't give you enough or the goverment should help you more. Why not get up each day and try working – several years from now you may actually feel good about yourself stop whinning and become something. Yosemtesam we can not take care of you every day of your life. Just because it looks like Obama lied at some point in his life with some type of misrepresentation of his birth cert –more then likely so he could get into an international school for free– doesn't mean that he can not be questioned about it. You and alot of lower intelligent people more then likely wiht out a job may think obama is your saviour but many of the rest of us who actually have jobs, businesses, and contribute to the world do not need a saviour. We have done it a different way then you are used too –it is called work!!!! Try it your life may change.


Swimbiker
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

Listen. The State of Hawaii and its Republican governor have certified that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate shows. This has been done twice already.


Swimbiker
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

Listen. The State of Hawaii and its Republican governor have certified that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate shows. This has been done twice already.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

“In one of his books, he claims to have been born in Kenya” Which book was that? Because I have read them and he says he was born in Hawaii. This all boils down to desperate, old, poorly educated, right wing white people who can think of nothing to do but make up crap, fling it as fast as they can, and hope some of it sticks. Your ideology has been proven to be bankrupt and you can't stand the thought of a black man getting credit for repairing the damage it has caused to our country. Get over it.


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Don’t call me out without knowing anything about me, I have to say Mike you sound like someone who has absolutely NO black friends, and if you don’t cool. But I am not a racist, and I don’t like playing the race card. I think it undermines me and my achievements and the hard work of individuals before me. Its okay to disagree but when you have no basis for the disagreement people start looking for reasons. Please tell me why after six months in office, two years of running for president this crazy idea that Obama is not a citizen has taken such a hold of many people in America, why after all this time? Logical people have concluded it is because of the his race/skin color what ever you may call it. Now I did not come up with this theory on my own, plenty of people have come to the same conclusions. Can they all be wrong, well maybe they can but until I hear something a little more logical than “his dad wasn’t a citizen” then I will still believe that it is racism.


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Don’t call me out without knowing anything about me, I have to say Mike you sound like someone who has absolutely NO black friends, and if you don’t cool. But I am not a racist, and I don’t like playing the race card. I think it undermines me and my achievements and the hard work of individuals before me. Its okay to disagree but when you have no basis for the disagreement people start looking for reasons. Please tell me why after six months in office, two years of running for president this crazy idea that Obama is not a citizen has taken such a hold of many people in America, why after all this time? Logical people have concluded it is because of the his race/skin color what ever you may call it. Now I did not come up with this theory on my own, plenty of people have come to the same conclusions. Can they all be wrong, well maybe they can but until I hear something a little more logical than “his dad wasn’t a citizen” then I will still believe that it is racism.


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Don’t call me out without knowing anything about me, I have to say Mike you sound like someone who has absolutely NO black friends, and if you don’t cool. But I am not a racist, and I don’t like playing the race card. I think it undermines me and my achievements and the hard work of individuals before me. Its okay to disagree but when you have no basis for the disagreement people start looking for reasons. Please tell me why after six months in office, two years of running for president this crazy idea that Obama is not a citizen has taken such a hold of many people in America, why after all this time? Logical people have concluded it is because of the his race/skin color what ever you may call it. Now I did not come up with this theory on my own, plenty of people have come to the same conclusions. Can they all be wrong, well maybe they can but until I hear something a little more logical than “his dad wasn’t a citizen” then I will still believe that it is racism.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

That's a good one too. Who told you that, Mr. Constitution Expert? Where does it say what age a mother (or child) has to reach before being eligible to pass citizenship on to her son? Citation, please.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

That's a good one too. Who told you that, Mr. Constitution Expert? Where does it say what age a mother (or child) has to reach before being eligible to pass citizenship on to her son? Citation, please.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

He doesn't have the “original long-form birth certificate”. It's not in his possession. Every single birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii is a “certification that the original exists.” The state, and no state in the union, refuses to release its original documents to any person. Think about it long and hard and you might be able to come up with a reason why that is.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

He doesn't have the “original long-form birth certificate”. It's not in his possession. Every single birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii is a “certification that the original exists.” The state, and no state in the union, refuses to release its original documents to any person. Think about it long and hard and you might be able to come up with a reason why that is.


Cricket51
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

WRONG!

His daddy was a Kenyan citizen and was never an American citizen.

Read the Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5: he must be a Natural Born Citizen to hold the office of POTUS.
Natural Born Citizen = TWO citizen parents and born on American soil.

He's a fraud and a usurper. He cannot be impeached because he's not a legal U.S. POTUS; he can, however, be arrested and thrown in jail along with the rest of his thugs.

Only a matter of time


Swimbiker
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

There is no such thing as “being eligible to pass on citizenship to her son.” This is just a bunch of made up bull. If she has a baby, he's a citizen. Period. And don't you think the FBI and Secret Service would have discovered any irregularities in his past? So, it's time for you to shut up. He doesn't have to prove anything to you.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

King of Spades, man – King of Spades
And the Joker is an Albino.
All this broohaha keeps alot of people busy about nothing. Like a grand scale diversion that is harmless and takes up alot time and energy from alot of people who need to be kept busy and out of Big Brother’s hair.
Obama does lean too far to the left for me. But as long as he appears to make the effort to stay in the middle, I don’t really give a flying fern about the little bit of socialistic leanings.
Beware of conspiracies and rumors of conspiracies.


ebonyangel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

Perfect reply! I am so sad to hear someone born in the 60's is still clinging to that type of thinking when it comes to race relations.


Bruce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

Our Fifteenth President (James Buchanan) was a 40 year politician with 2 years in the senate and 10 years in the House of Representatives, along with being secretary of state.

Presumably you are speaking of our Sixteenth president, Abraham Lincoln. Please check your own facts before you rant about others.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

I assume you are in agreement that the Kenyan birth certificate is fake then, since even it says that Obama's mother wast 18.


Swimbiker
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

Stop for a moment and ask yourself if the FBI and Secret Service would have approved of Barack Obama's fitness to run for president if there was anything odd about his past. And, yes, you are “called crazy just for asking a simple question.” It shows you haven't looked in to the matter but have simply parroted the birthers' complaints.

The State of Hawaii has the original. Barack Obama cannot release it. He doesn't have it. Obama doesn't have to prove anything to you. He has been vetted by the FBI and Secret Service.


Jersey Ted
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

I don't think “birthers” are necessarily racists. I do think they are the dumbest people on earth. I sometimes think whether they are in fact aliens from another planet.

The Republican governor of Hawaii has stated very forcefully that he has seen the original birth certificate and so has the other other Hawaiian officials. It's there and it's real. From what I understand it's against state to make the original document of ANY citizen public. But, they have published the pictures of it online. If Republican “birthers” don't believe the Republican governor of Hawaii, then they really need to move to Finland or Iceland where they don't have to worry about a person of color winning an election. Those countries may still be a bit too socialist for them. So they're still out of luck. Maybe they can all board rocket ships and start a colony on the moon. I'll help pay for their one way tickets!!!

Jersey Ted


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

Ah, how reasonable you seem, and how unreasonable everyone else appears for failing to satisfy your unsatisfiable desire for further proof of what is proven. The responsibility for backing up your absurd claims that Obama's presidency is the product of a 48 year conspiracy fall on you, not on the president. If the birther movement had real evidence, they would produce it, wouldn't they? In the meantime, I'd prefer for the president to work on fixing the problems that exist in real life.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

All you have is a document created by the state in which you were born that certifies your birth. That's the exact same thing Obama has. He's released it to the media.


frostypo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

Since Yosemitesam used correct spelling and punctuation (something you lacked), I wouldn't think you would want to call him not a very bright person. And your argument about him not working is based on what? Insulting someone else by setting up a straw man is not a very good argument for your point of view.


Dan S.
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

Then-candidate Obama did release a certified copy of his Certification of Live Birth, in June 2008.

The Hawai'i Department of Health has officially acknowledged that they have his original Certification of Live Birth, and that it confirms his birth took place in Hawai'i, on August 4, 1961.

The highly-irrational Birthers, led by disbarred-lawyer/Dentist/Realtor Orly Taitz, claim that a Certification of Live Birth is not a 'Birth Certificate,' though that this the form of birth documentation that the state of Hawai'i confers and they claim that because Barack Obama, Sr. was not a U.S. citizen, that his son isn't either, despite the fact that Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother was a natural-born U.S. citizen.


allenebooth
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

I have read, on more than one occasion, that not only did the State of Hawaii issue a birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama, the two major Honolulu newspapers carried announcements of his birth (just as I am sure the “Meridian Star” in Meridian, Miss. carried an announcement of my birth on November 4, 1963. Or Nov. 5, considering that I was born at 5:30 PM.)


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

Ah, if that was what “natural born citizen” meant, you'd really be on to something there. But wait: Thomas Jefferson's mother was born in London. That would make him a usurper too! Zomg!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Randolph_Jeff…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Q. When is a race card not a race card?
A. When race is the only relevant fact.

“Let’s face it: Presiden’t Obama’s black.” ~ Rush Limbaugh

The birthers and their cheerleaders are providing a textbook example of racial profiling.


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

Except that would not explain the identity of names of the officials, nor the fact that the record books have the same numbers typed in. To say that those were coincidences strains credulity. The fact that it has the same form as the one thats posted on the web several years ago WITH those numbers and names strongly implies that this document was the template.

Whoever did this was so stupid that the retyped the same names and registration book numbers in (although they did use the 43O47 “inside joke” which isn't on the BOMFORD BC).

also Kenya went to a decimal currency system in the l920's…yet the BC still uses pence.

Interesting that WDN hasn't produced it's copies of the “comparison BC's from Kenya” it claims to have checked. Odd that large numbers of Kenyans born in the '60's are claiming, and showing,BC's that look very different in style. I'm wondering if the WDN got their BC's from the same source as the “Obama” BC and didn't think…these might be phony as Brittney Spear's tata's, too.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

When you ask the state of Hawaii to give you a “complete, original birth certificate,” they give you exactly the same thing that Obama got and has since released to the public. Do you know what the word “certificate” means? It's a “certification” by the state that it has checked its original records and verified a person's birth details. That's what Obama requested in 2007. If you're not willing to trust the state of Hawaii when it says it has certified his birth details, why are you bothering the rest of us with demands from the state of Hawaii at all?


jill1107
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

Most Americans do not have the “original” birth certificate. They are kept in state files. My parents never had my original certificate. Mine is a certificate of birth registration stating the original is on file. Just like Obamas. The loonies who can not think for themselves will belive anything fox news, Rush or that idiot Lou Dobbs states.

Look at your own certificate. It is not the original. It is either a certiciate of live birth or a birth registration, not the actual certificate.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

“you do know that the definition of “natural born” is not codified anywhere including in the constitution” Maybe you should try to know what your talking about first…

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”


RedGraham
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

What's odd though is that NO hospital in Hawaii has any record of Obama's mother ever having been a patient there. Yet some claim he was born there and got dual-citizenship before going to Indonesia & becoming an Indonesian.


David Simmons
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

Wow. This website, and this topic, is a strong argument for increasing funding for education ten-fold. I know, you birthers and conservatives are thinking “yeah, those libs don't know how to think for themselves!” but really? You (90% of you, at least) are being had. All this jumping up and down about taxes? Do you all *really* make over $250k/year?? Really? Without being able to spell of complete a coherent thought? Huh. Interesting.

You're being convinced to rail against your won self-interests.

And this says nothing of this whole birther kerfufle. Seriously? Have you guys READ your own arguments? Have you WATCHED your de facto leader Orly Taitz? REALLY? THAT's what you're getting behind in all this?

Umm … ok. Good luck with that. If that's seriously going to be your play here, then my hat's off to you. Insanity like that can't be faked.


FactsObama
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

First, the fact that a birth certificate exists, in Hawaii, does NOT prove that Obama was born in Hawaii. Most states WILL issue a certificate, of some type, to someone not born in that State. Next, the governor of Hawaii is Female, not male. Next, SHE said she had the original, she never VERIFIED anything from that document. Next, many of the Obama supporters have claimed that the original has been destroyed, obvious contradiction there, huh? Next, which hospital was Obama born in? Official statements, from Obama's own supporters, list two DIFFERENT hospitals.
Me? I I think Obama's father was Communist Frank Marshal Davis, and that is why Obama has spent $800,000 to HIDE HIS PAST from the American people!


Paul A.
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

“What’s it like to be “True Believers” who take on faith alone what has not been proven?”

A) It has been proven, to any one who will rationally examine the facts.
2) None of the “birthers” believe in God then, right? Or live in glass houses!


madcapfeline
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

I cn haz gud grammers, ok, lolol…..Anywho, actually, no. If his mother was a U.S. citizen, his father was not, regardless of where he was born, then he is born with dual citizenship. People born with dual citizenship can claim to be a citizen of either country until the date of their 18th birthday. This is the case for those claiming dual American citizenship, anyway, not sure if it's the exact same everywhere. Anyway, at that time, they must decide in which country they would like to be a citizen, and of course, there is paperwork. If the decision is not made, and/or forms not filed, then citizenship reverts to the country of birth. This was high school gov't class folks, of course the rampant need for a spellchecker (Hawaii is spelled with two i's, cupcake) on this site is cause for speculation that some of us didn't make it to senior year. o.O


theda
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

Obama can settle the whole issue once and for all…just release the vaulted copy,college records, etc. Let the truth speak for itself…then everyone can move on. Let transparancy shine.


pcolaglenn
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

What folly. If President Obama (Mr. Transparency) wanted to put an end to the qualifications controversy he could do so by releasing all of the records that have been kept secret better than CIA secrets. He surely knows what they say so he should know that the release cannot harm him. In general, if a policy does no harm to anyone and benefits some it is good policy. His policy of hiding his past does cause some people, maybe wishful thinkers that he can be removed from office, consternation. The policy of secrecy can't be better policy than releasing the records. I'd like to see an end to this loony business and President Obama can easily do that.


Bruce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

Of all the info that I have learned about this issue, I have never heard Rush or Fox news mention this issue (though I could have easily missed it). All has come from mainstream media or blogs (very different in content, accuracy and specificity), and a tiny bit of research. Lou Dobbs doesn't believe the birther nonsense either. But there are birthers out there who have legitimate points that haven't been addressed. All Dobbs did was allowed them a venue to speak, which reduces the conspiracy theories about not allowing this info to get out.

Obama is probably right in ignoring them, because once he answers their current questions they will undoubtedly come up with more, but it is ridiculous to call this racist.


Bruce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

Of all the info that I have learned about this issue, I have never heard Rush or Fox news mention this issue (though I could have easily missed it). All has come from mainstream media or blogs (very different in content, accuracy and specificity), and a tiny bit of research. Lou Dobbs doesn't believe the birther nonsense either. But there are birthers out there who have legitimate points that haven't been addressed. All Dobbs did was allowed them a venue to speak, which reduces the conspiracy theories about not allowing this info to get out.

Obama is probably right in ignoring them, because once he answers their current questions they will undoubtedly come up with more, but it is ridiculous to call this racist.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

How convenient to make him responsible for your paranoia.


esadyfl
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

If you don't know how to spell, you are a racist? I really wonder why I am reading this nonsense from both sides. Wow, what a waste of time. Goodbye


kelmo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

I was born in the same hospital as Obama, almost exactly 10 years later. My dad was military. I don't have the original birth certificate–no one has their original birth certificate. I have a copy of my birth certificate, issued by the state of Hawaii in 1987. It looks the exact same as Obama's. It is a short-form(?) “Certificate of Live Birth.” I have used it to get 2 passports and several driver's licenses. Are you saying that I am not a natural-born US citizen? That my parents did not have me in Hawaii at hospital? They also had birth announcements published in the Honolulu papers…this is so ridiculous!
p.s.–in what book did Obama claim to be born in Kenya? I would like the full citation (title, publisher, date of pub, page number). I think you are content to make stuff up


HanoverRocky
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

I am a registered Republican, voted dutifully for McCain, and would greatly welcome a competent and viable Republican candidate in 2012. I was upset when Obama won, but after he took the oath of office, he became my President. Do I like his politics… no. Do I like him as an individual… I have to say, yes. He seems to embody many of the qualities we like to see in our leaders. I would prefer to see a stronger system of checks and balances in this critical time (I don't like to see a super majority of either party, it's just not good for the people). But… he is my President. Forgive the male sports analogy, but I liken it to being a diehard football fan for your favorite team… and you find out that the star quarterback holds values opposite to yours. A true fan is not going to take that into consideration… a true fan is going to hope that the star quarterback performs as well as possible, so that the team does as well as possible. I will work to see that good decent Republican candidates win elections in 2010, but Barack Obama is my President until 2012 and while I will disagree with him at times, I will support him.


HanoverRocky
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

I am a registered Republican, voted dutifully for McCain, and would greatly welcome a competent and viable Republican candidate in 2012. I was upset when Obama won, but after he took the oath of office, he became my President. Do I like his politics… no. Do I like him as an individual… I have to say, yes. He seems to embody many of the qualities we like to see in our leaders. I would prefer to see a stronger system of checks and balances in this critical time (I don't like to see a super majority of either party, it's just not good for the people). But… he is my President. Forgive the male sports analogy, but I liken it to being a diehard football fan for your favorite team… and you find out that the star quarterback holds values opposite to yours. A true fan is not going to take that into consideration… a true fan is going to hope that the star quarterback performs as well as possible, so that the team does as well as possible. I will work to see that good decent Republican candidates win elections in 2010, but Barack Obama is my President until 2012 and while I will disagree with him at times, I will support him.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

What a damning story that would be, were it in any way true. In real life, wild accusations such as your are generally required to be backed up by some type of evidence.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

What a damning story that would be, were it in any way true. In real life, wild accusations such as your are generally required to be backed up by some type of evidence.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

Mine is not! I was born in NY and they do not give the original certificate. perhaps each state handles this differently. I do wonder why the Republican Goverernor of Hawaii would lie?


Daytona7
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

Florida, Indiana and New Jersey all require a CERTIFIED copy of the birth certificate to obtain a drivers license. That copy can only be obtained from the county of your birth. I have 5 extra copies because I had to have a copy for the Military when I joined back in 62, for a Police Dept when I went to the Police Training Academy in 70 and even when I applied for Social Security. SO, I'm quite sure that if someone is running for a public office, there has to have been a background check at some point. More so the higher the office and part of that background check includes the party running for that office providing a CERTIFIED copy of their birth certificate.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

Omg! A reasonable person on the internet!


esadyfl
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

How convenient to make him responsible for your thought process.


R P Bird
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Current law extends this to children born of two American citizens overseas, with at least one of the two parents having lived inside the USA. So McCain's a natural born citizen. So is the president, since he has valid proof of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii. My god, have you guys never heard of google? Or Wikipedia?

As to the birther nonsense. A certified copy of the president's birth certificate has been provided to the press and is available for viewing on the internet . . . . and there are several mentions of the president's birth in Hawaiian newspapers at the time. Go to factcheck.org and view it all if you want.

Ask yourself this, if the president weren't black, if he were, say, the son of an Irish immigrant and an American mother, if his name was Barry O'Bama, would we be having this conversation?

Welcome to the desert of the real.


R P Bird
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Current law extends this to children born of two American citizens overseas, with at least one of the two parents having lived inside the USA. So McCain's a natural born citizen. So is the president, since he has valid proof of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii. My god, have you guys never heard of google? Or Wikipedia?

As to the birther nonsense. A certified copy of the president's birth certificate has been provided to the press and is available for viewing on the internet . . . . and there are several mentions of the president's birth in Hawaiian newspapers at the time. Go to factcheck.org and view it all if you want.

Ask yourself this, if the president weren't black, if he were, say, the son of an Irish immigrant and an American mother, if his name was Barry O'Bama, would we be having this conversation?

Welcome to the desert of the real.


tomass
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

I'm one of those bleeding heart liberals that gets sick reading your GARBAGE. You folks live in a fantasy world. I don't know why we waste our time on people like you. You people are SOOOO sad.


Paco
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

You are so full of it, you Obot liar.


esadyfl
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

How convenient to make him responsible for your thought process.


reverendirallewis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

These two documents of Obama's place of birth maybe fraudulent, as I feel certain that they are but that still does not dismiss the fact that he needs to poster his real authentic birth certificate. That very limited informed birth certificate that they keep showing of his possible birth in Hawaii is not convincing enough to prove that he was born there. I am a 58 year old sixth generation Texan/African-American, who can trace my African ancestral lineage back to Jamestown Island, Virginia and among The Seminole Indian Tribe, down in Florida. I (my Mother) have the original copy of my lengthy authentic birth certificate and several copies of that in my personal possession; and I did not seek The Office of The President of The United States of America. All, that Obama have to do is bring forth a copy of his original birth certificate (the long authentic form). I was a thirty year Democrat, but after the fiasco that took place during the Democratic Primary, I left the association of myself with the Democrats. I am now proudly to say that I am proudly an Independent Voter because both of these defined parties are parties of whoremongering. I'm looking for the day, if it will ever come, that we can get back to a real Sovereign Nation that will be sustained by our Sovereign Laws. Votes did not put Obama in The White House, but Six Hundred and Sixty Eight Million Dollars ($668,000,000.00). I saw Congressman Lewis of Georgia, one day endorse Hillary Clinton, then suddenly the very next day after with Obama, he endorsed Obama. Only, 20% of the Black Voters voted for Obama, yet his camp greatly used The Race Card during his running. He is a bought piece, that is why The Law was not applied in the Gates/Crowley episode, but an embarrassing sit down over mugs of beer at The House of The People of The United States of America. Because of the tint of Obama's skin, he have as so many other Blacks brought a taint upon our credibility. We are such kiss-butts, in stead of standing up on the principle of Truth… Reverend Ira L. Lewis 2009B Conestoga Trail Austin, TX 78744-3568 5124431079 iradject@yahoo.com… I am a Licensed/Ordained Baptist Gospel (Jesus Christ) Minister a twice Honorably Discharged Disabled Navy Veteran a dba Business Owner, who is in my right mind by the Grace of GOD through His Son/Word (Jesus Christ).


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

You forgot to explain how Obama went back in time to have his birth announcements planted in two Hawaiian newspapers.


Paco
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

What a liar. No one in their right mind that has any centrist or right values can stomach Oba-mao.

Nice try, Obot.


Freedoms_Cost
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

Carl4432,

Instead of empty words quote me some facts!!! I am challenging your superior intellect, show us that you are capable of actual thought rather than merely regurgitating empty, meaningless, statements every liberal talk show host (and yes I listen to them and not to Rush or Sean) has repated ad nauseum. Give me facts, son, not your nonsense, By the way before you make a bigger fool of yourself read some up on some economics, read up on some some recent history about how enlightened Europe is sloowly moving away from the Socialist model, read up how communism failed. Oh, before I forget… the GAO (know who they are, kid?!?) also thinks Obama's Theory of Economics is disastrous. Look it up and then I want to see you show off your brilliance. Oh, and please stop foaming at the mouth… it's bad for your heart, kid.


Paco
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

Of course, I'm not holding the most powerful office in the nation, either.


Paco
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

Of course, I'm not holding the most powerful office in the nation, either.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

A red herring … yeah, that’s the ticket.

Supply a high-profile birther with an obviously fake birth certificate so when it’s revealed as obviously fake all the birthers hide their faces in shame and Obama is free to pursue his nefarious plans to destroy the USA.

Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

“Scared” outdid you by facts, logic and powerful prose. You ended up only with attitude as your defense after he destroyed all your points.

Its no big deal, he made you look silly.

As for Obama, who really cares? If he does the country in, good p[eople will vote him out and reverse his idiocy. If he is as good as Dems say he is – and comes up good on economy netc – I’m all for it. Still think he is suspect for not releasing his documents.


carl4432
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

Have you ever took a mental health test?

What year is it? What day is It?

Where are you right now?

Who is the President?

NOW GET OVER IT


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

I am not the one who isn't thinking this through. The evidence that has been released should offer sufficient proof to anyone who is the least bit objective. Neither Obama nor anyone else has the slightest duty to cater to the paranoid ramblings of people who are desperate to overturn the previous election under any flimsy pretext.


FactsObama
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

Another point: Kenya and Australia BOTH were former British colonies. It is not at all surprising that documents, from both, from this time period, would look nearly identical. It is also not at all surprising that the same name would be appear, as a son or other relative could EASILY have followed in the footsteps of another family member, and entered “foreign service”.
The “anti-birthers” do not have their facts straight.
Many of us “birthers” simply want to know the truth. I admit I do not know the truth, but I know pure BS when I hear it, and most of the BS, on this issue, comes from Obama supporters.
This BC thing is part of a bigger story: What if?: Obama LIED in his own books, about Obama's past. Obama LIED in his college entrance paperwork. Obama LIED in his college financial aid requests. Obama's parenced RENOUNCED any US Citizenship, as part of the Indonesian adoption.
Face it, you do not know the facts, and you do not WANT to know the facts!


LARZ
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

DID YOU HERE ABOUT THE …. WORLD TRADE CENTER ?????

IT WAS ISRAELI’s THAT BROUGHT THE BUILDINGS DOWN IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!

SO THE US WOULD GO AFTER THE MUSLIMS….


keyse
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

Monitor, Can you proof to me that your birth certificate says “Birth Certificate” and not any other phrase?


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

Not all of us are political reactionaries, you know, and we don't all see things from your point of view. Supporting your president whether or not you fully agree with him was considered a virtue under the last administration.


Misha
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

If you really think it's loony, why do you keep questioning?


Toby Moby
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

As a lifelong Democrat, I have to say that Obama is worse than Bush by a country mile and that Hanover Rocky is nuts.


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RB_Johnson
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

You first!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Let’s see, two years ago unemployment was lower than it is now because unemployment is a lagging indicator, companies lay people off AFTER the economy starts getting bad – so you have no point there.

8 years ago I felt safe from terrorists and then we were attacked on 9/11. The fact that the united states was not hit again by a major terrorist attack means nothing because 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch — he was not able to keep us safe. Stop with you’re scaremongering and contribute something real to the conversation.


keyse
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

Amen Jeff … hit the nail on the head.


Cosmo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

Hillary’s the mother of “Birthers” – August 23, 2008 A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit–just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver–for the health of the Democratic Party.


Brian Huff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

The birthers are not “idiots,” they are just going through a bit of therapy.

Look: their entire world-view has been demonstrated wrong by 8 years of Republican mismanagement. That's a real strain on the noggin! There is bound to be a lot of irrational paranoia until this cognitive dissonance sorts itself out.

The teabaggers are no different. Every single one of the things they complain about is indeed a bad thing — unfair taxes, government intrusion, etc. — but their brains are literally blind to this stuff happening when Republicans are in charge. That's just the nature of the partisan brain. Now that Democrats are running things, their brains recognize that the policies of the last 6 years were REALLY stupid, but the only way they can deal with reality sucking is by blaming the Democrats. Ask them for a specific policy they hate, and doubtless it was initiated and/or supported by Republicans.

Until they are done ranting, venting, and acting like emotional little girls, they will be immune to logic. So stop trying.

My advice? Let them rant. They'll feel a lot better, and then we can all move on.


Timothy
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

Evidently you are the one intellectually challenged. I can get a certificate of live birth from Hawai'i and I live in Texas. It really is that easy. A few dollars and a witness statement is all that is needed. A birth certificate requires much more scrutiny and is why it is required for a passport. It is also why I want the President to follow the same rules as I have to follow. When applying for a job, show legal (birth certificate) qualifications to work in the U.S. and face termination if such documents presented are found to be a forgery. Produce the original certificate and get this matter behind us. Easy. Even Barack should be able to accomplish that between his taxpayer funded vacations around the globe.
Also, no new taxes or tax hikes on those making less than $250K? Get real! His administration just sent the Treasury Secretary out on TV Sunday telling us all the middle class was going to have to pay more taxes to get the deficitg down.

David, you seem like a common guy, a decent citizen. Do not let partisan hatred blind you to the obvious fact we have an incompetent person in the White House. He has committed every citizen in this country to more debt than his 43 predecessors combined. And he has growing unemployment, nobody buying Treasury notes, declining consumer confidence, and less respect around the world daily. Add to this a weakening of our defense forces and inserting himself into a misdemeanor police case (the Gates arrest) and you have to wonder how much damage this President can really accomplish.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

Surely Hillary Clinton isn't responsible for every one of her supporters. Berg is a nut, no matter where his political preferences lie.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

If you're really a minister why do you keep lying? He's shown his genuine certified BC, confirmed (repeatedly) by the Hi. DOH. It's the only kind of certified BC Hi. gives out. 36 other states also either give short forms by preference, or, like Hi., ONLY give short forms. It legally proves he was born in Honolulu Hi. He's already proven his citizenship far beyond what any prior President has even been asked to do, so do you wonder why people think some's unwillingness to accept his eligibility, in spite of overwhelming evidence, might have something to do with racism?

And only 20% of black voters voted for him? What planet are you from?


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Well said, David.


Bruce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

Just as my father had his death notice placed in papers in Indiana, Texas, California, and New York. Family often places obituaries and birth notices in papers other than where the event happened. Do you have a copy of the birth notice – and did it say he where he was born? That would be more proof than most birthers have seen and would satisfy many of them.


madcapfeline
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

Like Al Gore did?


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

Yes, because it's a good idea for the President of the United States to capitulate to this kind of terrorism-by-tantrum. Wonderful idea.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

It's politics as a team sport, I think. You love that quarterback until he starts to play for the rival team and then suddenly he's your very worst enemy. For what I hope is a noisy minority on both sides of the aisle, politics isn't really about ideas — it's about having your side on top and blinding yourself to what happens after that.


alesha
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

Sir, I say this sincerely: seek professional help. Your delusions may make you a danger to yourself and others.


alesha
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

Sir, I say this sincerely: seek professional help. Your delusions may make you a danger to yourself and others.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

State your source, please, for the news that NO hospital in Hawaii has any record.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

State your source, please, for the news that NO hospital in Hawaii has any record.


clairenonamous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

Do the birth announcements in the Honolulu papers say “where” he was born? Does it name the hospital? Or just the parents address? If it just announces his birth, playing Devil's Advocate here, even if he was born in Kenya, it would have been on a short visit to that country, with his parents still maintaining an apartment in Honolulu. Why wouldn't they have, or the grandparents have announced the birth regardless of place in the hometown newspaper? They lived there.


Margie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

Wow. Lighten up! The man is just expressing his opinion. That's the freedom of speech
that you right wing wackos are always whining about.


Margie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

Wow. Lighten up! The man is just expressing his opinion. That's the freedom of speech
that you right wing wackos are always whining about.


madcapfeline
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

Kinda like how my birth announcement was in paper in Indiana, Kentucky, North and South Carolina and Arizona? It's called proud parents, cupcake. Proud parents (or grandparents, whatever) extending their joy to friends and family as far as they can reach.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

Al Gore catered to people desperate to overturn the election? How, by bowing out of the race gracefully after the Supreme Court decision?


RB_Johnson
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

The forger had to obtain a suitable facsimile of an aged birth certificate. This looks like it.

I know a forger who makes 100k per year. He says obtaining the actual paper is where you have to start, but it's a lot easier to modify a digital image. The second trick is to change a single letter in someone's name so it it is harder to trace the source.

I've see the digital image, but has anyone examined Orly's actual document?


Margie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

Wow. Lighten up. They are just expressing their opinion. That's the freedom of speech
that you righties are always whining about.


CL_in_Pa
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

“For the believer no proof is necessary, for the non-believer no proof is possible.” Stewart Chase 1929
I doubt this will end before 2016 … might even continue on after … sort of like the investigation into whether bush/cheney broke any laws during their reign of lies and terror.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

Love how birthers keep coming up with these dollar figures on how much he's supposedly spent defending frivolous law suits that have all been immediately dismissed by the courts.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

Yes, well, if only. Leaving these people to work out their therapy is to simply give a green light to their rantings. They take silence as encouragement. The best way to deal with whatever flat earth BS the right wing spews is to come down on it like a ton of bricks ASAP. The mistake Democrats, Liberals and Progressives have made since the Reagan era is to “take the high ground” and hope lies and nonsense will evaporate on their own. Instead, in the absence of challenge, they've grown into mythology. It's a waste of time and tactics to think you're going to change these people's world view. That goes without saying. What you can do is keep knocking the legs out from under their lies.


Ben
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

I don't normally describe birthers this way, but this comment is absolutely precious. The exact same form shows up with the same page number, same book number, same registrar names, etc., and FactsObama is whimpering to himself in the corner about how it must be real, just must. Someone needs a hug. Don't worry, buddy, someone will come up with a new forgery in a little while and you can get excited about that one!


madcapfeline
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

His mother was a U.S. Citizen, his father Kenyan, he had dual citizenship the second he took his first breath, regardless of where that was.


HanoverRocky
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

Paco, remember that I said I do not like his politics, and that I will work to see that viable Republicans win their elections next year. Will you do the same? I challenge and encourage you to to apply your passion in that direction. To apply any effort or energy toward any other aspect of the office and the man is a waste of time, and quite frankly, it is what tarnishes those who try to merely outshout the opposition. My advice to all those who are pursuing or can't let go of these side issues… try and step back from the trees and grasp the sheer scope of the forest. Change, real change begins when we can see the big picture and can work… together… to make a difference. While many “good” people demand answers regarding birth certificates that will never be forthcoming… many good people are working quietly and tirelessly behind the scenes in preparation for the 2010 elections. Put away the rhetoric, and join us…


thefriendraiser
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

good lord…some of the comments here are hysterical. wake me in a year.


Whispers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

You think a pregnant woman living in Hawaii would take a “short visit” to Kenya?

Have you been pregnant?

Most women not named Sarah Palin don't go jetting around the world when their baby is due.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

“Scared” outdid you by facts, logic and powerful prose.

All without facts or logic. Quite impressive!

You ended up only with attitude as your defense after he destroyed all your points.

Except he didn’t. Oops.

Still think he is suspect for not releasing his documents.

I think you’re suspect. Release your documents!!!!!11!!


john g.
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

I just wish O.B. would put this all too rest and stop spending millions to keep his records sealed. If he has nothing to hide then please show it and be done with it!


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

Then do it and show everyone. Spend a “few dollars” and get a witness to claim you were born in Hi. and see how that works out for you.

He's shown his BC. It's the only kind they issue in Hi. He HAS a passport which he got with a certificate just like that one. He has a drivers license too. Guess what he used to get THAT?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

Wow. You’re crazy. I don’t really comment here (just browse the comments for fun), but wow. 20% of black voters voted for Obama….uh…wow. “Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama and constituted 13 percent of the electorate” ..http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15297.html

Votes did not put Obama in the White house? Now I admit the money bought the votes (like every election)…but uh…yeah the votes did put him in the white house

“That very limited informed birth certificate that they keep showing of his possible birth in Hawaii is not convincing enough to prove that he was born there”….that is an official state document, backed up by an official statement.

I know you did not bring this up, but I googled Hawaii birth certificate. The long version everyone talks about is also called “Certificate of Live Birth”. Same thing….less info. But the short form does list City/Town, Island and County of Birth, which debunks all the ..”could have been born elsewhere” craziness.

But I guess if you believe there is an invisible man is the sky watching everything you do, then I guess you’ll believe anything.


Whispers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

“Many of us “birthers” simply want to know the truth.”

That's just a bold-faced lie. You've been told the truth time and time again but simply refuse to accept it!

It must be hard to accept that a black man is the President of the USA, right?


rigger42
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

I could produce a 'birth certificate' that says he was born in Paris, with a little help from my friend Photoshop. Why is that more believable than the word of the Hawaiian government and the hospital, saying he was born there and his birth certificate is entirely proper and valid?

The idea that every pundit and doubter has to hold 'the original' in their own hands is absurd — I can't get the original of my own certificate let alone someone else's. Everything is on microfiche or computer now, and even if you look up the original record in storage, you aren't allowed to take it anywhere.

If you'd like to substantiate your claims about his parents renouncing citizenship (what exactly is the process for that) please link to a verifyable source. You know, that I can hold in my hands and check for photoshopping.


rigger42
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

I could produce a 'birth certificate' that says he was born in Paris, with a little help from my friend Photoshop. Why is that more believable than the word of the Hawaiian government and the hospital, saying he was born there and his birth certificate is entirely proper and valid?

The idea that every pundit and doubter has to hold 'the original' in their own hands is absurd — I can't get the original of my own certificate let alone someone else's. Everything is on microfiche or computer now, and even if you look up the original record in storage, you aren't allowed to take it anywhere.

If you'd like to substantiate your claims about his parents renouncing citizenship (what exactly is the process for that) please link to a verifyable source. You know, that I can hold in my hands and check for photoshopping.


rigger42
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

I could produce a 'birth certificate' that says he was born in Paris, with a little help from my friend Photoshop. Why is that more believable than the word of the Hawaiian government and the hospital, saying he was born there and his birth certificate is entirely proper and valid?

The idea that every pundit and doubter has to hold 'the original' in their own hands is absurd — I can't get the original of my own certificate let alone someone else's. Everything is on microfiche or computer now, and even if you look up the original record in storage, you aren't allowed to take it anywhere.

If you'd like to substantiate your claims about his parents renouncing citizenship (what exactly is the process for that) please link to a verifyable source. You know, that I can hold in my hands and check for photoshopping.


calbearinillinois
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

For the umpteenth time – like most places, official birth announcements are run in Hawaii based on reports from the Department of Vital Records, who in turn get their information from the local hospitals. Has been that way pretty much forever. So its not an announcement of every birth everywhere, but births in Hawaii.

The only answer to get around this Orly & co. have is to slander Obama's dead relatives by saying someone lied and filled out a declaration of birth with the Hawaiian state authorities to evade immigration costs. After all, you make the moonbat decision to travel to Africa 9 months pregnant, have the money for a “brief” transcontinental trip, have your baby in Zanzibar of all places, but don't want to deal with immigration hassles so you lie about the place of birth. And apparently smuggle the newborn through customs in both Zanzibar and the US (with multiple stopovers, mind you) with no one being aware of the baby's presence or questioning the child's status. Never mind that there's nothing but Taitz' less than credible word for the ability to even get such a form, the grand Dunham family birth conspiracy, etc. Because Occam's razor be damned if the evidence doesn't fit your preconceived prejudicial ideas – it must be a conspiracy, darn it.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

Can you prove that, marshmallow? And I need to see originals, not copies, of those birth announcements. Please forward them to my dentist, I mean realtor, I mean lawyer, Orally Teetz.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

You wouldn't know a fact if it planted its boot in your butt. All the evidence in the world has been piled in front of you and you people won't accept it. And you are living proof that the right wing lives and works and in Crazy Town. Here's a fact for you: the black guy won the election. Get over it. You're not going to turn it over. Ain't gonna happen. Your desperate little white man's paranoid fantasy is based on lies and easily disproved facts. When people persist in believing things in the absence of proof, or despite having been disproved, that's called…insanity.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

The Question is “Why aren't we seeing the long birth certificate that must exist if this guy really was born where he claims”?

What is Mr. Transparency afraid of?

Here's what I'm afraid of: This guy was backed by big Islamic money, much of it 'funnelled' through the honorable rev. wright's church of hate and he is bankrupting us, eroding our national defenses and undeniable out to take away our freedoms including the freedom to express our opinions. Sotomayor? If you can't see that this is a racist fascist – then you're one of them.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

The Question is “Why aren't we seeing the long birth certificate that must exist if this guy really was born where he claims”?

What is Mr. Transparency afraid of?

Here's what I'm afraid of: This guy was backed by big Islamic money, much of it 'funnelled' through the honorable rev. wright's church of hate and he is bankrupting us, eroding our national defenses and undeniable out to take away our freedoms including the freedom to express our opinions. Sotomayor? If you can't see that this is a racist fascist – then you're one of them.


Margie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Send in the clowns. Send in the clowns. Don't bother their here!


Margie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Send in the clowns. Send in the clowns. Don't bother their here!


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

You wouldn't know a fact if it planted its boot in your butt. All the evidence in the world has been piled in front of you and you people won't accept it. And you are living proof that the right wing lives and works and in Crazy Town. Here's a fact for you: the black guy won the election. Get over it. You're not going to turn it over. Ain't gonna happen. Your desperate little white man's paranoid fantasy is based on lies and easily disproved facts. When people persist in believing things in the absence of proof, or despite having been disproved, that's called…insanity.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

You wouldn't know a fact if it planted its boot in your butt. All the evidence in the world has been piled in front of you and you people won't accept it. And you are living proof that the right wing lives and works and in Crazy Town. Here's a fact for you: the black guy won the election. Get over it. You're not going to turn it over. Ain't gonna happen. Your desperate little white man's paranoid fantasy is based on lies and easily disproved facts. When people persist in believing things in the absence of proof, or despite having been disproved, that's called…insanity.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

You wouldn't know a fact if it planted its boot in your butt. All the evidence in the world has been piled in front of you and you people won't accept it. And you are living proof that the right wing lives and works and in Crazy Town. Here's a fact for you: the black guy won the election. Get over it. You're not going to turn it over. Ain't gonna happen. Your desperate little white man's paranoid fantasy is based on lies and easily disproved facts. When people persist in believing things in the absence of proof, or despite having been disproved, that's called…insanity.


Yrcrazee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

There are many effective treatments for schizophrenia today – talk to your psychiatrist.


Surrounded by Birther Idiots
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Sorry. You can only blame one-third of that disaster on Obama (and maybe yourself, since everyone else’s is going up). You have to blame two-thirds of it on Bush.


tiredofstupidty
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

All this talk about a birth certificate is funny. Obama deserves to be President since he planned his own lies before he was born. He was born in kenya and as a baby convinced everyone that he was born in HI. Just for that great effort to lie as a unborn baby makes him worthy of being President. Now doesn't this all make perfect sense. Give me a break people! Please complain about something relevent. The economy, world peace or something. A birth certificate lord have mercy.


tiredofstupidty
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

All this talk about a birth certificate is funny. Obama deserves to be President since he planned his own lies before he was born. He was born in kenya and as a baby convinced everyone that he was born in HI. Just for that great effort to lie as a unborn baby makes him worthy of being President. Now doesn't this all make perfect sense. Give me a break people! Please complain about something relevent. The economy, world peace or something. A birth certificate lord have mercy.


tiredofstupidty
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

All this talk about a birth certificate is funny. Obama deserves to be President since he planned his own lies before he was born. He was born in kenya and as a baby convinced everyone that he was born in HI. Just for that great effort to lie as a unborn baby makes him worthy of being President. Now doesn't this all make perfect sense. Give me a break people! Please complain about something relevent. The economy, world peace or something. A birth certificate lord have mercy.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

I can't help but laugh at the losers and the dummies that are spending their time and money to prove Obama wasn't born in the US. Keep up the distractions. Obama and the Democratic congress will continue with their agenda. And in the end, Obama is still president and there is nothing you can do about it. lol


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

I can't help but laugh at the losers and the dummies that are spending their time and money to prove Obama wasn't born in the US. Keep up the distractions. Obama and the Democratic congress will continue with their agenda. And in the end, Obama is still president and there is nothing you can do about it. lol


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

I can't help but laugh at the losers and the dummies that are spending their time and money to prove Obama wasn't born in the US. Keep up the distractions. Obama and the Democratic congress will continue with their agenda. And in the end, Obama is still president and there is nothing you can do about it. lol


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Sorry to repost:

QUESTION: “Can anybody answer why this guy refuses to produce the long birth certificate that would once and for all put this to rest?”


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Sorry to repost:

QUESTION: “Can anybody answer why this guy refuses to produce the long birth certificate that would once and for all put this to rest?”


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Sorry to repost:

QUESTION: “Can anybody answer why this guy refuses to produce the long birth certificate that would once and for all put this to rest?”


janejax
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

Who is O.B.?


calbearinillinois
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

Don't know what world you've been living in, but I got an Indiana Driver's License in 1998 with nothing but my California license and social security card. I haven't used a birth certificate for anything since I got my first passport in 1996 since passports stand alone, and a photo id and social security card is enough for just about anything (other than the few times you also need a utility bill).

A certified copy is what Obama posted, by the way. Some states used to issue both unofficial (no seal) and official (sealed) copies, charging you for the latter. Hawaii only has one form that it will issue – the short form.


calbearinillinois
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

Don't know what world you've been living in, but I got an Indiana Driver's License in 1998 with nothing but my California license and social security card. I haven't used a birth certificate for anything since I got my first passport in 1996 since passports stand alone, and a photo id and social security card is enough for just about anything (other than the few times you also need a utility bill).

A certified copy is what Obama posted, by the way. Some states used to issue both unofficial (no seal) and official (sealed) copies, charging you for the latter. Hawaii only has one form that it will issue – the short form.


Margie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

Yeah, if your toddler throws a tantrum. Do you pay attention or ignore it.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

I like how, when you guys get caught in your own BS, your eyes roll back in your heads and you start jabbering about Socialism. A little trouble staying on topic, Mr. Superior Intellect? Here's the deal. It's isn't up to Obama to disprove your crazy assertions. It's up to YOU to prove them. And so far, you brain damaged birthers haven't done anything except pound the table with your fists and insist that all the evidence isn't enough. Nothing will ever be enough for you clowns.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

You would have lost your job and your portfolio had McCain won. You can thank your beloved George W and his base. The Have’s and Have-More’s. They made out with a trillion dollar tax give away during time of war, they drove our economy into the ground, and NOW you’re complaining? It’s called “chicken’s comin’ home to roost” Cass. You voted for them now you and the rest of us have to live with their lousy governance. Yeah, I guess helping people buy cars with better gas mileage and helping car dealerships is a waste. (what I find so ironic, is that the majority of car dealerships are owned by Republicans who donate big money to the GOP. Wonder how they feel about their corporate masters now) Of course in your universe, if it doesn’t benefit the wealthiest then it’s a “waste of taxpayers dollars”. Apparently you don’t mind the billions were spending in Iraq every month but then it benefits Bush’s buddies- Halliburton, KBR, Bechtal, Blackwater, and all the many thousands of war profiteers. I’m still wondering what happened to that nine million that went missing in Iraq about five years ago. Yet not one peep of complaint out of your trollish lips. Yeah, it’s a pity that the GOP can’t continue to turn our great nation into just another third world country through their shining incompetence. We won, now you can listen to the same BS I had to hear for eight years of Bush/Cheney…GET OVER IT!


Yrcrazee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

What millions? Credible sources, please.

Oh wait, you can’t – because you’re a liar!


Bruce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

The more I read these kind of lies, the more I become a birther. I would have no problem with a black president. I also have no racial problems with our current president, who is half white, raised by whites and asians (his step-father), and who always attended elite private schools in Hawaii, Indonesia, California and Massachusetts. There are many black “birthers”, just as most whites are not birthers. Why is it that our President's defenders are the first to play the race card?

We have been told a whole bunch of facts – but not the facts that were asked for. Birthers cite a whole bunch of facts – and these fake Kenyan and Aussie birth certificates are hardly ever part of the discussion. Many states do show original documentation from the hospital or other application to register the birth to the public, though getting a “Certified Birth Certificate” is reserved for the parents and child. Just a few minutes of thought would tell you that a birth certificate is not irrefutable – there are forgeries and people who obtain theirs by lying to the state government. The likelihood is so small we usually don't consider the issue, but when stakes are high, a higher standard of proof is required.


madcapfeline
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

Health Care Reform.

Do I get a prize?


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

If you think that would put an end to it then you haven't been paying attention. Can you think of any good reason why he should capitulate to nutballs who've already demonstrated they're unwilling to accept overwhelming evidence?


madcapfeline
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

I usually point and laugh. It works. They get embarrassed and then they pout.


madcapfeline
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

I usually point and laugh. It works. They get embarrassed and then they pout.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

I like how, when you righties get caught in your own BS, your eyes roll back in your heads and you start jabbering about Socialism. A little trouble staying on topic, Mr. Superior Intellect? Here's the deal. It's isn't up to Obama to disprove your crazy assertions. It's up to YOU to prove them. And so far, you brain damaged birthers haven't done anything except pound the table with your fists and insist that all the evidence isn't enough. Nothing will ever be enough for you clowns.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

hey liberal idiots:

His mother did not conceive of him becoming president. But she did want him to be a US citizen. It's a simple answer for simple minds.

The fact that you all present this idiotic logical line that since he ended up president that is why she connived her way into getting him falsely documented shows you can't think past the level of an idiot.

Which is why this country is in so much trouble. There's 10's of millions of idiots. Not to mention minority racists. And minority racists running the country who defend the racism.

I'm still waiting for an answer to the real question:
“Why not produce the long birth certificate that will end all of this?”


Free2Bme
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

Let;s see, this time 2 years ago I was gainfully employed, living in a country where I felt safe from terrorist and I didn't worried about leaving my grandchildren in overwelming debt. Your right I guess it was that Saudi huge that help me realize how much better off we are now.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

My comment about only 20% of the overall voting for Obama was from The Black Voters.   That is a documented fact that was presented just days after the November 2008 Election.  You should research you claim further and I am glad that you admitted that money bought him The White House, though you are not clearly admitting THAT.  GOD Bless You.  

Ira L. Lewis


madcapfeline
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

No, politics is about one thing…getting re-elected.

“What can I do to make it so that I can keep using tax money to pay for my (gambling, pot, stripper, insert vice here) habit?”

I for one am voting against all incumbents, regardless of party affiliation, until we get some REAL fkn change. We need to remind them, that at least for the time being, this is still a government of, for and by the people.


heather
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

The dems can never answer one fact:
Obama has not produced his birth certificate.


madcapfeline
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

No, insantiy is repeating the same task over and over and over, and expecting a different outcome. What you describe is simply denial.


Jen
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

The point is Mccain showed his longform birth certificate whether you liked him or not he proved BEYOND A DOUBT that he was a NATURAL citizen ! when will Obama just produce the long form and shut everyone up? I mean seriously how long does it take to just post it and be done with it! Why even let this stuff drag on if there is no need ! I am not racist , I just want to know that he is really supposed to be there , then i will fully support him. Until then , I just cannot


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

There isn't overwhelming evidence. The overwhelming evidence of authenticity would be the long birth certificate. The fact that he hasn't produced it is the problem in and of itself. He is the president for crying out loud. I have mine in the safe and have no problem whatsoever with showing it. It raises the legitimate question :”Why won't the president produce a simple document to end controversy – except that perhaps he really isn't a citizen?”. You defend him because you put your faith in him. That's just plain stupid. You should question his motives too. If it's as purile a reason as you state – that he doesn't want to nah-nah-nah, then he is not worthy of the office.


madcapfeline
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

Why is it that our President's defenders are the first to play the race card?

Cause that's the game they were taught. Someone's saying something negative about you? Must be cause you're black, right? Couldn't be that skin tone has nothing to do with it, and you're just unqualified…..


peterheyes
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

If Obama didn't have anything to hide, and it seems he does, he would have released all his records including his birth certificate, BEFORE the election!!! He didn't run to Hawaii to see his ailing white grandmother, he went there for the purpose of having the Governor seal all his personal records—sounds like a cover up to me!!


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

So what's your theory there Elmer? She's 9 months pregnant, get's on a plane to have her baby in Kenya, then four days later (with a less than a week old newborn in tow) she's back in Hi. placing birth announcements in newspapers and convincing the DOH that he was born in Hi.?

And if that is your theory why do you need to see his original BC? Obviously it's not going to prove anything to you. You'll just believe she lied about where he was born way back when.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

So what's your theory there Elmer? She's 9 months pregnant, get's on a plane to have her baby in Kenya, then four days later (with a less than a week old newborn in tow) she's back in Hi. placing birth announcements in newspapers and convincing the DOH that he was born in Hi.?

And if that is your theory why do you need to see his original BC? Obviously it's not going to prove anything to you. You'll just believe she lied about where he was born way back when.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

Like…refusing to acknowledge that the President of the United States was actually born in the United States? In the face of overwhelming evidence? Like that kind of denial?


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

Like…refusing to acknowledge that the President of the United States was actually born in the United States? In the face of overwhelming evidence? Like that kind of denial?


scion_of_greed
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

mystyplx analogous logic: “I will not sign a general armistice because if I did, that would only start another war!”

Produce a copy of the bona fide birth certificate (HI's long form) and the infantilism on both sides dies overnight. Failure to do this (i.e., 'there ain't no such turkey in reality') fans the flames of dissension and solves nothing. The legitimacy of the Zerobama presidency is already in doubt given who, er what, voted for him (the great majority of people in this country who pay no federal taxes. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Failures, in other words.). The least he can do is offer up the birth cirtificate!


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

And to answer your question: It's because it's not a good idea for the President of the United States to capitulate to nutjobs throwing tantrums.


michigirl
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

HE HAS ALREADY POSTED IT!!!! The problem is that you wingnuts have decided it's a forgery. There is no satisfying you. Nuff said.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Hm, that sounds suspiciously like what I said in the first place. My comment was descriptive, not prescriptive.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Hm, that sounds suspiciously like what I said in the first place. My comment was descriptive, not prescriptive.


stevensnell
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Hm, that sounds suspiciously like what I said in the first place. My comment was descriptive, not prescriptive.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

He DID release his birth certificate before the election, goofball. He did have his grandmother fake her own death to cover up his record sealing though.


Free2Bme
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

Let;s see, this time 2 years ago I was gainfully employed, living in a country where I felt safe from terrorist and I didn't worried about leaving my grandchildren in overwelming debt. Your right I guess it was that Saudi huge that help me realize how much better off we are now.Luckily you brilliant folks were able to open my eyes.


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

You people need medication and an education. Period. Take off the tin foil hats and learn to live with the fact that you have a black President….an a educated one for a change.
Guess Obama's parents did not need to worry that a black man and white woman being married before Obama was born was against the law in many states. Guess they had the foresight to put birth notices in 2 papers 48 years ago…all so they could plan on his being the first black president. To a sane person who holds no racist views? ALL of that makes sense. To those of you lacking in so many ways? Your willing to lie to not have to deal with the facts…those pesky little things LOL Get use to it, NO ONE with a brain bothers to listen to your made up racist endeavors.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

Follow along. I'll go slowly. Yes. He. Has.


AC7880
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

Where is the long form birth certificate, and WHO has reviewed it leftie?


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

Jen: You Got it.

The answers posted here that 'he doesn't have to' justifiably feed our speculation that he isnt' a citizen. Which would make him in violation of the law.

What we do know is that Congress is ready to appoint the most biased, racist judge in the history of this nation. Who's really running this country?


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

The Mother was not old enough to pass on Citizenship to B.H.O.

Sure she was, not that it matters considering he was born in Hawaii, but she was.


Anthony B
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

If HI produce the short form BC. wouldn't they the state of HI be able to produce the long form BC also. Your problem should be with the state of HI. I am sure if they produce the long form BC you will have a problem with that too.


lynnmcdaniel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

uuhhh FreetoBme…….2 years ago was right before George Bush crashed the economy through deregulation and turning a blind eye to his friends such as Bernie……sorry but your not allowed to change the dates on who was responsible for the economy. LOL This is why ONLY 20% of the people in this country will not identify as Republican.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

You prove my point. He has produced a bona fide BC. The fact you won't accept that pretty well illustrates that you won't accept anything. You've already got fake experts claiming the BC he's shown is a forgery. They'll just claim the original is a forgery too.

Besides that, this is GOLD for him politically. Fair or not, you birthers create the impression that his political enemies are nutjobs. Why would he want to end that even if producing the vault copy WOULD end it?


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

Jeff: We are talking about the 'REAL' birth certificate. The Long BC with his hand/foot print at the time of birth. I have one from 1954. It was a federal requirement. If he is a citizen it exists.

I don't know or care about his grandmother or his motives for a trip to Hawaii. Just produce the document, or I must conclude you are a fake.


michigirl
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

The State of Hawaii does not provide you with a long certificate. Yet, it was posted online for all to see to try to satisfy the Wingnut Nation. But that's not enough – the wingnutteria has deemed it a forgery. Would they prefer him to unilaterally override Hawaii's laws through executive order? Then you'll hear the banshees screaming about what a tyrant he is… Golly Miss Molly! Just face it – he's a thorn in their side and they'd believe anything to realize their fantasy of getting him out of office. So sad.


michigirl
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

The State of Hawaii does not provide you with a long certificate. Yet, it was posted online for all to see to try to satisfy the Wingnut Nation. But that's not enough – the wingnutteria has deemed it a forgery. Would they prefer him to unilaterally override Hawaii's laws through executive order? Then you'll hear the banshees screaming about what a tyrant he is… Golly Miss Molly! Just face it – he's a thorn in their side and they'd believe anything to realize their fantasy of getting him out of office. So sad.


scion_of_greed
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

You know, you're so right, Mysty! As Bill Clinton so covincingly artiuclated: “I never had sex with THAT woman!” Good thing we could believe him…


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

Theory doesn't matter.

Producing the Long Birth Certificate does.

End of Story.


dwhayward
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

The reason that Obama has not post his long form birth certificate and all necessary supporting documentation, is because he cannot provide what he does not possess!


robertbates
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

All this crazy stuff about Obama not being a native born US citizen would simply end if Obama would just produce a physical (not a web image) copy of his certified birth certificate from the State of Hawaii. We all have to produce these documents throughout our live (get a passport, driver's license, professional licenses, etc…). Why he resists this doing this only feeds those who want to keep this bogus story alive. I never understood why Obama, like McCain, just did not produce a physical copy of his birth certificate during the campaign. It only costs about $20.00 to get a certified copy and it would end all this rumor mongering about his alleged “Kenyan birth”.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

Please please – do not shoot fish in a barrel with anything bigger than a BB gun . I’ve seen it done , and barrels break . Then we’ll have a new republican movement – the bursters . ( I’m still waiting to hear from the after-birthers . )


heather
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

All this talk makes me think someone is hiding something. What is Obama hiding? Why doesn't he just release his birth certificate? Makes you wonder, huh?


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

NO – You have your head wedge up your rear end pal.

The real LONG BC has a foot or hand print.

That would DEfinitively end this controversy.

nah-nah-nah-nah-nah – I'm the president and I don't have to doesn't cut it.


AC7880
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Military members are now filing suit saying Obama is not a natural born US citizen, and therefore any orders to deploy to war zones are illegal. They are suceeding in not deploying. Military readiness has been affected. If Obama releases the long form birth certifcate the controversy ends.

The commander in chief has now damaged military readiness. Release the damn long form certifcate or resign, bumbler in chief.


Racyman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

I work in the Mental Health field, and I think you conspiracy theorists better consider getting treated for Paranoia, and quit listening to (pill popping, buying RX drugs illegally, divorced 3 times, advocate of family values and the War on Drugs) Rush, who is the biggest hypocrite in America. I think you all are victims of a family tree that doesn't branch, as are all the radicals.


douglaswatts
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

If you could bottle the crazy in here and pour it in your gas tank, you could drive your car to Mars.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

My BC doesn't have a hand/footprint. What makes you think Obama's does? And what difference would it make anyway? If his mother was capable of getting the State to issue him a BC even if he wasn't born in Hi. said BC would have his hand/footprint if Hi certificates do that.


Anthony B
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

The Birthers believes he was born in Kenya. so what would a long form BC do for them?


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

No Liar – they have the LONG BC – he is refusing to produce it or show it.


carsonhilburn
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

This is true, and he is doing such a wonderful job of destroying the economy and ruining this country, birth certificate or not. This guy is making Jimmy Carter look like a genius.


futuremba
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

Here's an interesting question, just as a thought experiment: Sure, you have your birth certificate in a safe; good for you! Now, are you saying that, regardless of anything else, *you* are therefore more qualified to be the President than the President? If not, then what difference does it make to begin with (leaving aside Constitutional quibbles for the moment)?


futuremba
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

Here's an interesting question, just as a thought experiment: Sure, you have your birth certificate in a safe; good for you! Now, are you saying that, regardless of anything else, *you* are therefore more qualified to be the President than the President? If not, then what difference does it make to begin with (leaving aside Constitutional quibbles for the moment)?


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Sorry, but yes it does. You can scream and cry and throw all the tantrums you want, but he's already proven his place of birth and the majority (the sane people) are satisfied.


Free2Bme
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Sweetie, I think George Bush did a crappy job. He's just another selfish big government politician. Although he loved spending he wasn't borrowning and printing money our grandchildren will have to repay. He may have left a deficit but it was chump change compared to Obama's work. Lol I didn't change the date on anything. Ah on last thing, I never said I was republican you just assumed I was because I'm not willing to lay the current mess anywhere but where but where it belongs. It's an OBAMANATION now. Drink some kool aide.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

Yes they have the original vault copy. No they don't give it out. What they give out is what you've seen.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

I don't know if this is true – But BRAVO.

thank God if it is.

If he is not a citizen – he is a criminal. And then we are in grave danger of a criminal alien running the military.

Produce the D@mned document.

If I were in his position I would go on National TV- The way he does when he is pushing his agenda and show the document and let his opponents have an independed expert validate it and compare the hand or foot print to his own.

This Would End the Controversy 100%.

If raises the legitimate Question – “What is he hiding?”


dolorescw
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

What is a long birth certificate? I do not have one and have considered myself a citizen all my 58 year life.


dolorescw
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

What is a long birth certificate? I do not have one and have considered myself a citizen all my 58 year life.


dolorescw
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

What is a long birth certificate? I do not have one and have considered myself a citizen all my 58 year life.


Racyman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

I have evidence that Dick Cheney was born in Irag! He wanted to anilhate them, due to an ex-girlfriend that dissed him for Saddam Hussein, who had money and palaces.


Racyman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

I have evidence that Dick Cheney was born in Irag! He wanted to anilhate them, due to an ex-girlfriend that dissed him for Saddam Hussein, who had money and palaces.


scion_of_greed
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Wrong, buddy. THE bona fide copy of the birth cirtificate is the long form. You know, the one that names the hospital at which you were born, indicates the signatures of the doctor who delivered you and the state's certificate registrar, among other authenticating info. Obama's abbreviated deal shows NONE of this. Show us the beef!

BTW, here's how we know what Obama has shown thus far was printed ages after his birth. First, his document says his father's race is 'African.' Minus ten points!! “African” is not a race, it's a place. Egyptians are Africans. So are South African's Boers. Neither are black, however. I challenge anyone to find a birth certificate from that era that would show 'African' on it! Analogously, 'Asian 'is not a race (Asia is a place), but “Oriental” is.

Second faux fact on Zerobama's alleged birth certificate: It says mother's race “Caucasian.” That indeed is a race, to be sure, but the word wasn't employed 48 yrs ago. The politically incorrect “white” word was used, however. Oh myyy — how 'insenstive!' of them to use that word back then!!


scion_of_greed
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Wrong, buddy. THE bona fide copy of the birth cirtificate is the long form. You know, the one that names the hospital at which you were born, indicates the signatures of the doctor who delivered you and the state's certificate registrar, among other authenticating info. Obama's abbreviated deal shows NONE of this. Show us the beef!

BTW, here's how we know what Obama has shown thus far was printed ages after his birth. First, his document says his father's race is 'African.' Minus ten points!! “African” is not a race, it's a place. Egyptians are Africans. So are South African's Boers. Neither are black, however. I challenge anyone to find a birth certificate from that era that would show 'African' on it! Analogously, 'Asian 'is not a race (Asia is a place), but “Oriental” is.

Second faux fact on Zerobama's alleged birth certificate: It says mother's race “Caucasian.” That indeed is a race, to be sure, but the word wasn't employed 48 yrs ago. The politically incorrect “white” word was used, however. Oh myyy — how 'insenstive!' of them to use that word back then!!


scion_of_greed
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Wrong, buddy. THE bona fide copy of the birth cirtificate is the long form. You know, the one that names the hospital at which you were born, indicates the signatures of the doctor who delivered you and the state's certificate registrar, among other authenticating info. Obama's abbreviated deal shows NONE of this. Show us the beef!

BTW, here's how we know what Obama has shown thus far was printed ages after his birth. First, his document says his father's race is 'African.' Minus ten points!! “African” is not a race, it's a place. Egyptians are Africans. So are South African's Boers. Neither are black, however. I challenge anyone to find a birth certificate from that era that would show 'African' on it! Analogously, 'Asian 'is not a race (Asia is a place), but “Oriental” is.

Second faux fact on Zerobama's alleged birth certificate: It says mother's race “Caucasian.” That indeed is a race, to be sure, but the word wasn't employed 48 yrs ago. The politically incorrect “white” word was used, however. Oh myyy — how 'insenstive!' of them to use that word back then!!


scion_of_greed
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Wrong, buddy. THE bona fide copy of the birth cirtificate is the long form. You know, the one that names the hospital at which you were born, indicates the signatures of the doctor who delivered you and the state's certificate registrar, among other authenticating info. Obama's abbreviated deal shows NONE of this. Show us the beef!

BTW, here's how we know what Obama has shown thus far was printed ages after his birth. First, his document says his father's race is 'African.' Minus ten points!! “African” is not a race, it's a place. Egyptians are Africans. So are South African's Boers. Neither are black, however. I challenge anyone to find a birth certificate from that era that would show 'African' on it! Analogously, 'Asian 'is not a race (Asia is a place), but “Oriental” is.

Second faux fact on Zerobama's alleged birth certificate: It says mother's race “Caucasian.” That indeed is a race, to be sure, but the word wasn't employed 48 yrs ago. The politically incorrect “white” word was used, however. Oh myyy — how 'insenstive!' of them to use that word back then!!


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

I Don't listen to Rush Limbaugh.

I draw a logical conclusion to a valid question and concern.

You are an idiot.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

The kool aide reference exposes you to be a Fox News zombie. So you are probably very fair and balanced in your thinking. Let me guess, you think Bush did a crappy job because he was too liberal?


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

The kool aide reference exposes you to be a Fox News zombie. So you are probably very fair and balanced in your thinking. Let me guess, you think Bush did a crappy job because he was too liberal?


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

Ah, it's Bill Clinton's fault. Lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction, 5000 Americans sent to die in Iraq on the back of that lie, an economy in ruins, one Family Values Republican after another caught with his pants down, Ministers in gay porn scandals, Republican bribery and corruption…but Bill Clinton, OMIGOD that was bad bad bad.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

If has your foot or handprint and detailed info such as the exact time of date, physician, mother and father's name, etc.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Makes me wonder why there are so many morons who keep insisting he hasn't released his BC.


Racyman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

Do you want Obama to display it to all 300 million Americans personally? You people are nut cakes! Let it die. It has been proven over and over again. Why didn't you demand Bush or Reagan to display actual birth certificates? No wonder this country is going down the tubes! I'll bet half of you are on Welfare, or Social Security, and bash the Government for entitlement programs. A bunch of hypocrites.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

Yeah, that's very funny.

Do you have any insight or intelligence to add, or just ignorant insults designed to make you feel like your penis is big enough?


dwhayward
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

If the President is immune to the same level of accountability the citizens are held to then no one is accountable to any one including the president! What this means is that we as citizens can tell the president and any other authority they have no authority, and law does not pertain to us. I think we can all agree that without accountability there is no responsibility. Mr. Obama needs to be held accountable and show to the citizens that he represents that he is legitimate.


mike867
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

lynnmcdaniel, tell me how two years ago, the economy crashed, two years ago the quarterly growth of GDP was positive 3.6%, not negative 6.4% under Obama. Unemployment was 4.7%, not 9.5% under Obama. Which “deregulation” led to the ecomomy crashing? Or was it due to massively understating the risk of FNMA and FRMAC, who invested in bogus mortgages during the time that FNMA was being run by Obama advisor Franklin Raines? And protected by Senator Dodd and Congressman Frank, Chairs of the committees overseeing regulations on these government entities. Or Bernard Madoff, who has made 80% of his donations to Democrats, and never donated one thin dime to President Bush.

There is a thing called the internet, where you can actually chech facts, so next time, keep your nonsense to yourself.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Do you have any insight or intelligence to add, or just ignorant insults designed to make you feel like your penis is big enough?


earlmosbach
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Brain dead conservatives still don't get it. I wellcome anyone who would care to argue that bush isn't a traitor and a murder. Not to mention war criminal. Look it up in the Constitution as well as the U.N. War crimes tribunal. Even morons such as rush can't argue with the truth unless they use propoganda. Which I might add they are second to no one in that form of brainwashing. I was called un-American and a traitor for accusing this corrupt Govt. of war crimes and lying to the American people as well as the world. They must have forgotten what this country was founded upon. I went to war for this country, now I'm ashamed of it and that makes me angry. I demand my country back. Let's begin by prosecuting those in the bush adminnistration for trashing the bill of rights. The punishment for treason is excecution and I for one would like to valunter to be a member of the firing squad. Oop's, I sure hope we still honor something called “Freedom of speech”


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

You don't know what the phrase “logical conclusion” even means. He's shown his BC. It's the only kind Hi. gives out. It's been confirmed (repeatedly) by the DOH that actually issues said certificates.

The “logical conclusion” that anyone with more than two braincells would draw from that is that he was born in Hi., just like his BC says.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

You don't know what the phrase “logical conclusion” even means. He's shown his BC. It's the only kind Hi. gives out. It's been confirmed (repeatedly) by the DOH that actually issues said certificates.

The “logical conclusion” that anyone with more than two braincells would draw from that is that he was born in Hi., just like his BC says.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

Oh, the REAL one. Even if a so called “long form” was released with those hand/foot prints on it something tells me you would think it was a fake.


will9
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

Listen, this is very simple. The “long” birth certificate that all the crackpots are demanding does exist, has been seen and verified by the state of Hawaii! It is the stated policy of the state not to release the original copy, but have verified it as authentic and it does exist! THE LONG CERTIFICATE HAS BEEN RELEASED BY HAWAII…IT CANNOT BE RELEASED BY OBAMA, AS THE STATE OF HAWAII KEEPS THOSE RECORDS!!!!!!!! Enough already! get a clue people!!!!!! Really, learn the facts and you might just get a small clue about something for once in your life. What part of the original “long” certificate is held by the state of Hawaii and has been validated and authenticated do you losers not seem to understand!? By the way, John McCain was NOT born in the United States…fact is he was born in Panama! (albeit on US soil)….see the difference between you crackpot “Birther's” and people who live in reality, is that those of us in the real world accept that McCain was born in a US Military installation and therefore, counts as being a US citizen. We also accept that the fact that the original certificate exists and has been fully validated by the state of Hawaii, including the Governor (who is a Republican) and that a fully legal copy has been released, a copy that is valid and is good enough for the state department to issue a passport. How many of you lunatics have their original birth certificate…the “long” version that they are screaming about being produced? Not the fancy one their mommies kept for them with their footprints on them? Please get a clue, this is distracting from the real issues we are all facing and is simply propagated by a lunatic, racist fringe who cannot accept a black man is President of the United States.


Free2Bme
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Yep wez need to be smart like you. Us unedjukted folks would never think to borrow and print money we don't have so the govern't can keep on spendin. Wez would probably done somethin dumb like decrease goverment spendin, Good thing cuz than how would we keep blamin Bush? Again lucky to have you to point it out. Oh and is this what you meant? -This is why ONLY 20% of the people in this country will not identify as Republican. I think it's probably more than 20% I'm one of them. You just assumed I'm republican cuz I'm not sittin around drinking the kool aide with ya.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

All of which you crazy ass birthers would claim are forged if the State of Hawaii were to release the original. There is no reason to give lunatics any credence, as it will only push them to greater heights of insanity.


Paul M
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

What is your job in the 'Mental Health field'? Are you a janitor at an MHMR? I know several mental health professionals (yes, with real and direct health care jobs, who would not dream of writing so juvenile a comment, let alone actually posting such tripe. Please let us all know at what instituion you are mopping floors and cleaning toilets. I would not dream of going there for help, or entrusting loved ones into the care of someone so narrow-minded.

Paul M
Sesser, Illinois


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

Mike;

These stats lie. Bush was a demon, a Nazi – a retarded psychopath.

It is all irrelevant though.

What is relevant in this discussion is whether this guy is a US Citizen. There are legitimate doubts as it is clear he is hiding something.

It is also clear that the liberal fools who worship him – because they are to stupid to think for themselves – cannot give an answer anything close to respectability.


John
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

“What is Obama hiding” is not a legitimate question. If Obama has nothing to hide concerning his b.c, why would he have to fulfill your dumb request?

If a kid challenged me to jump down from my house roof and I did it for him, that would make me as crazy and immature as he is.

Obama will not go down to your level.


Nony
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

While I can agree that conspiracy theorists ought to be treated to a nice healthy heaping of reality, I question the abilities of a practitioner in the mental health field who has such scorn for the very type of people they are supposed to help.
A hijacked plane crashed into the pentagon, two into the world trade centers, and a field. The government should have been able to figure it out, but the right people weren't talking to each other.
Bush wasn't AWOL in the Air National Guard. Forged memos run through a copy machine ten times doesn't make the accurate.
Obama IS the duly-elected PRESIDENT. The government issued his passport before the election based on their own research. The preponderance of evidence in the government's own records is why the lawsuits were all summarily dismissed.


Paul M
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

So sorry you morons, but his 'Gammy' says he was born in Kenya. You calling a good black woman a liar?

Paul M
Sesser, Illinois


amyrogers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Obama is destroying our country with his endless spending.. I hope you idiots that voted for this media fraud are happy..


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Mine doesn't have a hand or footprint. But even if Obama's does, why is it that you need to see his hand/footprint from when he was a baby? All the pertinent information is on the short form, which is based on the original.


Ray Whiskey
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

The 'proof' by that Russian Lady has been debunked here but the birthers ignore it. Like what they say,”Don't let the facts cloud your imagination”


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Are you Stupid:

Obama can make a simple Phone Call to the Gov of Hawaii – or speak to him when he is in D.C. and tell him to release the Document.

If the gov refused – he would be under attack, not Obama.

That document is the only true evidence that would put this legitimate concerna and question of millions of real citizens to rest.


Paul A.
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Last I knew, it doesn't matter WHERE you are born if you have a parent who is a U.S. citizen. John McCain was born in Panama.


el_chupacabra
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

he has. the state has verified it legitimate. doesn't matter, you could hold it in your hand and you wouldn't believe it real. you are being laughed at by most of the world.


el_chupacabra
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

he has. the state has verified it legitimate. doesn't matter, you could hold it in your hand and you wouldn't believe it real. you are being laughed at by most of the world.


john
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

You people are nuts. If he did produce the “long form” like you all say, you still would say its a forgery. What, is he supposed to mail the original copy to each of you crazies so you can touch it and be satisfied it is real? Please. Here's a question, you know the US State Dept. needs a copy of your birth certificate to issue a passport. Do you think they would have issued him a passport if the BC he submitted was fake? Are you telling me, all you idiots are better “experts” at spotting a fake birth certificate than the State Dept. who does this all the time? Just face it, you are a bunch of racists who can't accept a black president with a foreign-sounding name.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Futhermore – AHOLE – the fact that we can reason and draw logical conclusions doesn't make us racist.

Playing the race card is what liberal jerk-offs do best. Race is not the issue Moron.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

So sorry, but she did NOT say that. It was a translated interview over a bad phone connection. Either she or the translator misunderstood the question. She immediately corrected it when she did understand the question. The desperation with which you birthers cling to that one simple mistake in an interview, instantly corrected, is illustrative of the level of insanity here.


trustbutverify_1
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Because you obviously love your dear leader, you really must read “his” book Dreams of My Father, where he remembers finding a copy of his bc in a book and how that caused him to reflect on his history and heritage… There is nothing racist about people who respect the Constitution and expect its provisions to be upheld.


sampsonmidgette
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

What if he do produce the long form. Then what. Will that be a fake to. What will you come up with next. I think if you don't like him vote him out in 2012. That's the only way you will get him out of office. Cause I am willing to bet that none of this stuff that you guys are talking about in her matters to those politicans. Cause if it did they would of been done something about it so stop your whining and take it like a man.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

Bush?

Who cares about that Retarded Psychopath?

We're talking about whether the president of our nation is even legitimate.

Are you Stupid, or just a liberal?


paulineviverette
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

Where were you with your concerns about the Federal budget and spending when Bush/Cheny were spending $720 millions/day on the unwarranted war in Iraq? And then he cut taxes as a sop to the dumb and dumber on top of hemorraghing money into Iraq!! Millions in U. S. dollars given to milliary and civilian personnel to walk around in Iraq and hand out. No strings attached! No accountability! And then there's the little issue of the prescription drug benefit, Medicare Part D? Another giveaway to keep the wool pulled over the eyes of the ignorant and the hysterical! Another instance of no provision to pay for it! Another instance of creative bookkeeping, not evening putting this new benefit into the budget! Talk about irresponsibility and lack of accountability! Let's face it, for a certain kook element in American society, Barack Obama can't do anything that willbe pleasing to them!

Sit down, shut up, and grow up!


earlmosbach
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

Rush whatever his name is used to say all drug addicts should be shot. Since he's a drug addicted felon I demand he be shot. He should lead by example. That is if he wasn't a big mouth coward. I would love to have him call me un-American to my face for being against the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilions and brave American soldiers Unlike him I went to war for this nation, now I'm ashamed of it and that makes me angry. I want my country back


Paul M
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

The only ones making a big deal out of obummer being a 'black' (actually mulatto) president are the liberal fruitcakes. It's not about black, you idiots. It's about legal and illegal, about right and wrong. Everytime you people don't have a leg to stand on you trot out the tired old…'well, you're just racist' routine…you sound like fifth-graders, and asshole fifth-graders at that. All the moron has to do to clear this up, is do what any normal person would do…produce the real BC…not some facsimilize copy on the internet. Have you idiots never heard of 'freedom of information” The American people have a right to know, and we have a right to the real-mccoy-actual documents involved in any dispute. You left-wing nutjobs are only too ready to scream 'freedom of information!' when it comes to one of your pet, idiotic causes, but not so hot for it when the truth might damage your liberal nutjob president. The liberal idiots in this country continue to sicken me to no end.

Paul M
Sesser, Illinois


nb
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

He has produced his birth certitificate. Pay attention.
Let's move on to something important like health care.
I have Multiple Sclerosis.
When I get a relapse, my doctor wants me to receive steroid therapy by an iv because steroid therapy by iv reduces the likelihood of relapses. However, my insurance company won't pay for the steroid therapy.
My doctor gives me a blood test to determine if I am developing resistance to my MS therapy. It's a $1,000 blood test. My insurance won't pay for the test though.He ordered it, and we didn't know about the insurance so I had a $1,000 bill.
Others with health issues have even bigger issues. So let's move on from the stupid birth certificate issue, which has already been resolved.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

Actually from the politico article I linked, it is not 20%. It would appear to be 13%. But that is not what you said. and I quote….”20% of the Black Voters voted for Obama”. That is just wrong.

In my view, money buys all elections…so that is moot point. That fact is how popular are you to raise that money. He was able to raise that money, which is what winning an election is all about. Thus got in the white house the same way all of them do.

Either way, you are still crazy.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

It's Based on the Original – which automatically puts it in Doubt.

We need to see and validate the original


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

It's Based on the Original – which automatically puts it in Doubt.

We need to see and validate the original


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

It's Based on the Original – which automatically puts it in Doubt.

We need to see and validate the original


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

It's Based on the Original – which automatically puts it in Doubt.

We need to see and validate the original


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

>>Or, are you one of those Caucasians who would voluntarily give their lives for someone who is dfferent from them, as long as they’re not required to give recognition of their equal humanity! <<

Your comment is pathetically humorous, buddy, indeed blatantly absurd, considering Zerobama never registered for the draft (a crime, oh by the way) and refuses to provide documented proof that he ever did. Of course, while (in)gloriously admitting that he was an avid drug user smoking pot 24/7 (among who knows how many other drugs), Zerobama somehow found the time to go to the Post Office and register for the draft. Sure, and Bill Clinton never had sex with THAT woman, too….


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

I imagine he could probably throw his weight around as President to get the vault copy in spite of Hi.s policies, but why on Earth should he? Just to satisfy a handful of nutjobs who won't believe it anyway?


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

that's a really stupid reply.

Why won't he release the original if it exists?


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

that's a really stupid reply.

Why won't he release the original if it exists?


dwhayward
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Mr. McCain was born on a military installation. So it does matter!


dwhayward
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Mr. McCain was born on a military installation. So it does matter!


dwhayward
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Mr. McCain was born on a military installation. So it does matter!


dwhayward
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Mr. McCain was born on a military installation. So it does matter!


stevepearson
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

I wish the “birthers” would make up their minds–was Obama born in Kenya, Indonesia, Australia, or Timbuktu! PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT!!

Or, they could come back to reality and realize that he was born in Hawaii.

But you know, even if he wasn't, his mother was an American citizen–that makes him a “Natural Born American, no matter where he was born!!


stevepearson
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

I wish the “birthers” would make up their minds–was Obama born in Kenya, Indonesia, Australia, or Timbuktu! PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT!!

Or, they could come back to reality and realize that he was born in Hawaii.

But you know, even if he wasn't, his mother was an American citizen–that makes him a “Natural Born American, no matter where he was born!!


stevepearson
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

I wish the “birthers” would make up their minds–was Obama born in Kenya, Indonesia, Australia, or Timbuktu! PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT!!

Or, they could come back to reality and realize that he was born in Hawaii.

But you know, even if he wasn't, his mother was an American citizen–that makes him a “Natural Born American, no matter where he was born!!


stevepearson
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

I wish the “birthers” would make up their minds–was Obama born in Kenya, Indonesia, Australia, or Timbuktu! PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT!!

Or, they could come back to reality and realize that he was born in Hawaii.

But you know, even if he wasn't, his mother was an American citizen–that makes him a “Natural Born American, no matter where he was born!!


skeptic89
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

All craziness aside (and there's way too much of THAT around this President) why won't he let us see it if it would end all of this? I'm sure he was born in the United States, but that doesn't mean I don't want proof! I honestly think he loves the all the controversy around himself as he does never does anything to stop it! (And when it runs low he spouts his mouth off and creates more!) The words Media and Whore come to mind…


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

Dave Weigel might be right in this case, but in the past he's lied and misled about this issue. For instance, he claimed on TV that Hawaiian officials said the cert on BHO's site wasn't forged. But, they never said that: Weigel lied.

And, if any HotAir readers want to see how Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit are hurting the GOP at the same time as they refuse to bust the MSM for obvious lies, see this.


nb
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

He has produced his birth certitificate. Pay attention.
Let's move on to something important like health care.
I have Multiple Sclerosis.
When I get a relapse, my doctor wants me to receive steroid therapy by an iv because steroid therapy by iv reduces the likelihood of relapses. However, my insurance company won't pay for the steroid therapy.
My doctor gives me a blood test to determine if I am developing resistance to my MS therapy. It's a $1,000 blood test. My insurance won't pay for the test though.He ordered it, and we didn't know about the insurance so I had a $1,000 bill.
Others with health issues have even bigger issues. So let's move on from the stupid birth certificate issue, which has already been resolved.


AnnNY
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

Isn't it funny that this lunatic movement is lead by a crazy lady dares to question POTUS' b.c. Is it legitimate because she has lighter skin that his? Who knows this lady has been plant by Russian to destroy our country? So who's the traitor here, the ones supporting the POTUS or the ones lead by this foreign-accent-speaking lady.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Doctor Roger – it would also be an ad equum attack , would it not ?


kbenson32605
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

yes they would forge it. if the democratic party wanted the socialistic idiot to be in control and the democratic party to be in control in congress. the government has far more control than u.s. citizens realize. if they want it to look like obama was born in hawaii, ” here's your new birth certificate, mr. obama.” for me it's not that he's black, because for everyone accusing people of being racist, he's half WHITE. it's the fact that he is taking america down a socialist path. hmm think we'll collapse like russia in 20 years? something for everyone to think about.


will9
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Paul A Don't comment unless you know the facts! In regards to the Constitutuon, and eligability to be president:

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

If you actually READ the constitution, the fact that John McCain was born outside of the US but on a military base of American parents while his father was serving in the military is the point.

Again, this illustrates the difference between people who make sound determinations based on fact instead of opinion and rhetoric.


will9
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Paul A Don't comment unless you know the facts! In regards to the Constitutuon, and eligability to be president:

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

If you actually READ the constitution, the fact that John McCain was born outside of the US but on a military base of American parents while his father was serving in the military is the point.

Again, this illustrates the difference between people who make sound determinations based on fact instead of opinion and rhetoric.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

the Long BC – the legitimate and valid BC – has NOT been produced.

Pay attention? What rock have you been hiding under?


stupidfoolsplease
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

Who cares where he was born. He's going to go down as the worst president of all time. Even worse than Bush, and all because he thinks that politicians can “solve” the economic crisis that we're undergoing. In actuality, he will make it hundreds of times worse and there will most likely be rioting solely because of these actions.


will9
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

It's not enough to be an American Citizen at birth, you must be a “Natural Born” citizen of the United States to be President under our Constitution.


dwhayward
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

Awesome reply!


nb
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

Hard to consider a post when someone says socialist. Sorry.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

He's shown proof. Crazy people won't accept it. He's shown the only kind of BC Hi. issues. They don't release the original vault copy. No state does. Some states still make photocopies of the original, but more and more are doing it the way Hi. does and using computer printouts.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

As an attorney with a very rudimentary understanding of US citizenship law, I must disagree. Given your logic, my father who was born in Los Angeles of a Canadian father and an American mother would have been disqualifed to be president. American citizenship (technically in 1938 there was no formal Canadian citizenship and his father was a British subject), although not being natural born, can be obtained by derviation through the father even with a birth overseas. A baby does not chose his citizenship but under all modern interpretations of the 14th Amendment anyone physically born within the United States (unless on grounds of a foreign embassy) would automatically acquire US citizenship as a natural born citizen on US soil. Of course, given your argument, Obama could  have waived his US citizenship at 18 by renouncing it but he never did. I believe the only rational interpretation of the natural born citizenship requirement of the presidency set
forth in the Constitution  was a desire by the Founding Fathers to prevent someone born  and raised overseas (unless theoretically on US sovereign territory – US military base, US embassy, etc……) from being imported from somewhere else with a different cultural/politcal background to become president. I still think it is a good idea overall even though it does discriminate against some exeptionally well-qualified immigrants from ever seeking that position. But I also support the Electoral College so small states are not completely forgotten in the presidential election process..  
 
I personally believe the real problem here is that Obama is a bit Nixonesque and is very secretive about small details of his life that do not matter. He probably thinks if he produces his birth certificate, like McCain did showing he was born in the Canal Zone at a military hospital, it would be some ”sign of weakness” in answering his critics.  For example, he avoids any mention of initial college education at Occidental College here in Los Angeles (just wants to talk about those Ivy League school years), is purposely vague about his religious beliefs, etc…. Obama, in my opinion, has invented himself not from his own past but what he wants his past to be. This allowed him to throw his grandmother (the woman who raised him and gave him a future) under the bus during the campaign when it benefitted him politically. This side of Obama is his great weakness as a leader whatever your political beliefs. Obama has a ridden a bubble of good timing and
having great charm which allowed him to slip into the presidency with very little life experience that would normally qualify one for the job. I just hope this secretive side of Obama as to his personal life does not carry over into his management of government. But, of course, this is one man’s opinion and the election results prove at least as of last year my concerns were those of a minority of the voters.
 
Robert Bates


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

You can repeat that till the cows come home, but it still aint true. The certificate he's shown is legitimate and valid.


nb
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

I have been hiding under the rock of reality and real problems.

Furthermore, I have never seen my long form. Maybe my birth certificate is fake then. I should ask my dad. Have you seen your long form?


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

Nice.

Or course, these morons have nothing to offer except opinion and rhetoric. Oh – and of course playing the race card.


namemename
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

If he produced it the easiest mass form of distribution would be to place a copy on the internet, immediately that would be claimed as a forgery by the Birthers. If they have an independent authority review the documents (which as I understand was done with the ones he produced already) than it would be said by the Birthers the authority was biased. The state of HI has already confirmed this information several times as has the State Department, but of course those are government entities so according to the Birthers have to be involved in the cover up already. They could do a public viewing of the document so anyone who wants to visually see it could walk past it, but it would have to be kept securely which means people probably couldn't do much handling of it in order to preserve it so someone in the Birther community would claim the display one was a fake as well. Then, there's the real catch 22 which is they could retroactively produce one now but that would just be a lie regardless of what it said because HI officials could just manufacture the fake at any point just to cover up the conspiracy. Which, leads me to think it is not at all possible to ever lay this to rest. Birthers could always move to another nation and set up their own government according to whatever rules they want, but unfortunately, I doubt they will, they'll continue to bitch for the next 4 to 8 years.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

Even worse than Bush? Even worse than the President and the Party that put us in this mess? That lied us into a war? That bankrupted the country on that war? Worse than that? Yeah, right, and 2 + 2 = Tuesday.


jimmygray
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

his mother was an American citizen–that makes him a “Natural Born American, no matter where he was born!!
Same as John Mc Cain, but he was born on a military base near Panama and many “antibirthers” claim that means he was not a “natural born American”


joetruth
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Poor lunitic libs! We are plying from the same playbook as you idiots and you whine like the little beeotches you are. See the following:

9/11 – Bush Conspiracy WTC detonation – Even when debunced by Popular Mechanics you kept it alive

Bush Nation Guard records – Produced pay stubs and you claimed they were forgeries

McCain not eligable for President because he was not born in the US – He (unlike Obama) produced the long form of his birth certificate proving he was born in the Panama Canal Zone and elegible.

Its funny that I have to produce a BC to go to Mexico, but the DICKtator of the United States is above producing his.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

“Natural born” means citizen at birth AKA birthright citizenship. This is as distinguished from “naturalized.”


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

“Natural born” means citizen at birth AKA birthright citizenship. This is as distinguished from “naturalized.”


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

“Natural born” means citizen at birth AKA birthright citizenship. This is as distinguished from “naturalized.”


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

Amen. Well said.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

There it is: the 'S' word.

You are an imbecile.


skeptic89
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

He's my President and I demand proof… In this country the government only has power because WE give it to them, which means we can demand to see whatever we want! It's called democracy. I know you can get copies of your BC because you have to have them to get a state ID and to leave the country (which I'm sure he's done both). Plus you can't tell me that the PRESIDENT of the United States can't demand HI to release a certified copy… it's just simply idiocracy.


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Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Exactly, and well said. Sadly, the birthers don't want to talk about real problems. Not when they can distract us with fake “issues”.


YesIDo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

No, it's not.

Just produce the original document and this goes away.

What is the rock star hiding?


kilcannon
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Where did you get your numbers? Fantasy land? There was no surplus in 2001, we were breaking even with a 5 trillion dollar debt. The first and ONLY year that the United States has had a trillion plus deficit is 2209 (this year) President Obama spent this year, more than the Bush Administration did in the entire second term of his Presidency. What new demographics? With revenuse shrinking the way it has been, how do we pay for health care, or social security or education or bailouts, or defense. At the rate the current tax and spenders are going, the economy will be crushed under huge interest inflation caused by this lunacy. Social Security's own leadership said that because of the economy, they start paying out mre than they take in in 2013 and go bankrupt in 2029


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

Sorry, but the 911 “truthers” are nutjobs too. I used to think “truthers” were the biggest morons on earth, but you birthers make them look like mental giants by comparison.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

Not up to Obama to “prove” your kooky theories. It's up to YOU to prove them. So far then you have, um, forgeries. Oh, yeah, and a lot of yelling. In other words: put up or shut up.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

Not up to Obama to “prove” your kooky theories. It's up to YOU to prove them. So far then you have, um, forgeries. Oh, yeah, and a lot of yelling. In other words: put up or shut up.


Unindicted Co-Conspirator
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

Since Mombasa is a Muslim area of Kenya or Zanzibar at that time, I really doubt that it would ask for a “Christian Name”.


mike867
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

You mean Bush bankrupted us like the $1.6 trillion deficit, that Barry O has us running on? You mean bankrupted like a $787 billion stimulus that has actually increase unumployment and shrunk the economy. At least we won the war in Iraq, Scrotey.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

How's this? You show us where that dimwit draft dodger George Bush was during his “missing time” in the military and we'll trade you that for Obama's birth certificate. It's funny, the military has meticulous records on everybody who ever served, where they were and when. But somehow, someway, they just don't seem to have anything, exactly, on this guy…


wackoman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

There are no long form birth certificates for butthole babies. That is the reason some of you have never seen yours.


mystylplx
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

He's shown proof, you just won't accept it. He HAS shown a CERTIFIED copy. Complete with raised seal and stamp of the registrar, confirmed repeatedly by the Hi. DOH who are the agency that actually issues such certificates.

Talk about idiocracy….


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

You may have forgotten that your Republican heroes voted all against none for the biggest corporate bailouts in history. But spending on their corporate buddies is OK. Spending on the American people, oh, that's communism.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

Most birthers are troothers anyway. Conspiracy theory nutjobs are always looking for teh new crazy.


namemename
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

you do know that the definition of “natural born” is not codified anywhere including in the constitution and you are making an assumption as to its legal definition. since there is not a prescient set on the exact legal definition of “natural born” there are continuing competing theories as to how to effectively define it on a national level, including the interpretation of the 14th amendment and how it could relate to the argument. Since different states also hold the definition differently in their law there are even competing definitions on a non-Federal level of how to determine the difference between being a natural born citizen and being a statutory citizen (not naturalized, which implies changing citizenship from one nation to another, but rather is the definition of natural born strictly held to the soil of the continental United States + Alaska and Hawai'i or does it extend to US territorial holdings and military instillation or does it also impact births during travel particularly regarding at sea or by air). There are so many vast gray areas I'm sure the Birthers could exploit the same way that back in the day people went after Chester A. Aurhor. I'm all for challenging the status quo for the sake of the most accurate information but there is, I believe, a distinct difference in motives here.


Beth in VA
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Keep it up! This is busy work to keep you occupied so the rest of the country can get on with the important business of healing after this disastrous past eight years.


Joss
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

There is no long form in the state of Hawaii that its citizens can request. In HI, when citizens request a birth certificate, a CoLB is their only option–it's the only thing they can get, and it's Hawaii's official, federally approved version of a birth certificate.

Different states do things differently. Just because it's one way in South Dakota doesn't mean it's the same in Hawaii. Remember state governments? Or have conservatives finally stopped caring about states' rights? It's hard to tell. They just on the big government bandwagon everytime a state legislates in a way they don't like. Gay marriage? Forget laws–let's amend the freakin' constitution!

Maybe if you did a little genuine research into how Hawaii's state government and hospitals function instead of listening to AM talk radio you'd have a better grasp on reality. Heck, even the above post about proving McCain's citizenship listed the other definition of citizenship that works even when your father is an alien and you're born outside American soil: the mother simply has to have been an American citizen for at least five years. Guess where Obama's mom was born? Freakin' Kansas.

Move on already.


Umberto
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

What an incredibly fact free little statement. And, I'm sorry, we “won” that war? Really? I know that Bush and Cheney's buddies, KBR and Halliburton, sure won the taxpayer rip-off award in Iraq. Come to think of it, all sorts of Republicans made tasty profits off the misery, lies and destruction in Iraq. Maybe that's what you mean by “won”. Like birthers and their forgeries, the “facts” you pimp are false and the facts that can be proven you won't accept.


skeptic89
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Well if you can tell me where I can see that at I'll be proven wrong.


humvee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Strange!! Obama hadn't seen his Grandmother in years and she was the only living person
who could verify where he was really born, she died a week after his visit. Hmmmm
Obama couldn't get a security clearance to join the army but he can be President
something wrong with that


namemename
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

actually, he was not born in the Canal Zone, he was born at Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama, which lies outside of the US territorial holdings and recognized as Panama proper. In April 2008 the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain's status as a natural born citizen, so he basically got a government waiver to define his ambiguous status based on his unique case.

you really should try and do you research better if you want to debunk myths. there's more than enough public record about this one.

then again, you sound like rather than Fact you prefer political Truth. There's a difference, it's a shame more people can't separate their emotions and personal interpretations when trying to present Fact.


ScaredforUS
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

I dont care to see any birth papers as it doesnt matter.. he is ineligible because his father was a British subject at the time of Obama's Birth making him of dual allegience meaning he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! End of story.. over.. what is going to happen is he IS going to produce a BC that says he was born in Hawaii, and this will all get swept away and the real issue of NATURAL BORN will be no more…The BC issue is being pushed to hide the real problem. I totally believe he was born here.. but he will not ever be a NBC. To be natural born, both parents must be US citizens at the time of the childs birth. There is US Cit, Naturalized Cit and Natural Born…dont get them confused…


sampsonmidgette
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

You say that. But did Bush get put out of office for any of the things you just wrote know he didn't. So I hope you haven't made yourself believe that Obama will be put out of office just because you think his bc is fake.LLOOLL.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

You mean all the camp. promises he’s already broken?


skeptic89
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Yes, it is his responsibility. Government by the people, for the people. We have the right to demand proof that he meets the requirements to run OUR country. We also have the responsibility to judge each document fairly and if proven wrong, gracefully accept it.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

Sabbur, I see that you don’t understand the corruption of politics, so there is no need in engaging any further with you.  From your own word, you admitted that voters don’t elect Presidents, but money.  And since by your admission, what do you think this unknown Obama was able to gather Six Hundred and Sixty Eight Million Dollars ($668,000,000,.00) except that the anonymous powers selected him because of the great failure of The Bush Regime.  They knew that the continuing of the madness of Bush by Senator John (?) would bring rioting in the streets of America.  It was not that Obama was popular, but a Nation trying to cloak the mistreatment of a race of people of color for five hundred years.  If you send me another message, I will look at that and that will be the end of our communication.  GOD Bless You.  

Ira L. Lewis


namemename
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

there is precedent on this and you are incorrect, see Chester A Arthor 21st president of the US, who's father was Irish… blows your theory right out of the water.

and if you see my note below you'll understand better that there is not a pre-defined Federal level legal definition of Natural Born so you are making assumptions based on a theorized dictionary definition that both parents must be US citizens at the time of birth


timemarker
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Socialism is when the government owns or controls the means of production, right? And right now, doesn't our government own or control the major banks and two of the “big three” automakers? And isn't the government poised to take control of health care, which is fully one fifth of the economy? This is, by definitition, socialism, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the race of the person pushing the program.

I mean, look at the numbers from the last election – Whites voted for and against Obama at the same rate they voted for and against Al Gore and John Kerry in the previous elections. Blacks, on the other hand, voted for Obama by over 30 percentage points more than they voted for Kerry and Gore. Did their politics change that dramatically? Or did they vote based on race? You decide.


sampsonmidgette
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

Man how can you say we won the war in Iraq. We went to war on a lie. Then another lie was told then another lie was told. It was three different lies to the reason that we went to war in Iraq. So how can war on lies be won. Please explain that to me.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

I dont care to see any birth papers as it doesnt matter.. he is ineligible because his father was a British subject at the time of Obama's Birth making him of dual allegience meaning he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!

Wrong. And stupid. Here's a list of presidents with one non-citizen parent:

Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson
James Buchanan
Chester A. Arthur
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover
Barack Obama

See, that's how stupid you are.

End of story.. over.. what is going to happen is he IS going to produce a BC that says he was born in Hawaii, and this will all get swept away and the real issue of NATURAL BORN will be no more…The BC issue is being pushed to hide the real problem.

The birthers are part of the conspiracy! They're just trying to distract us all from the real issue! Wow, the crazy just gets crazier.

To be natural born, both parents must be US citizens at the time of the childs birth. There is US Cit, Naturalized Cit and Natural Born…dont get them confused…

You have them confused. Don't feel bad about it, you're insane and rather dim. There are actually two types: natural-born and naturalized. They are both U.S. citizens.


TrueRepub
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

From every point of view of this who BC thing, has really no strong evidence to prove that he -isn't- a citizen. There are no strong facts to claim, no hard evidence that even suggests it. Now, this is the real kicker for me: Why would the US Government, our Government be as incompetent as to not investigate any persons background for any federal position within any administration? The answer is: The have.

To even apply for any position within our federal government, you do have to supply your birth certificate, go through exhaustive background checks, physicals, and the alike, and to say that he deviously deceived all law enforcement officals, from every level. Is not only an insult to them as professionals, but to our government. Have you no faith in how we handle things?

So what about his drivers license? Last time I checked you needed to have a birth certificate for that. College Aid? Senatorial Runs? Are you people incompetent? Are you implying at -every- tier of government he was a part of, he magically eluded any form of investigation into his background?

Oh I get it, because he has a foreign name, and he looks black, all of a sudden he has to prove to you that he's a citizen. Ingenious. Really. You guys just keep digging your party deeper and deeper in a hole. At this rate, the Democrats can pass anything, and all you still are ranting about his Long Form BC.

Ingenious Really. You will doom your conservative movement for days to come. When you're old, retired, and about to pass on, when the youth look upon this, know that -you- ruined your only chance to redeem any semblance of power in the country.

The more and more you guys go about it, the more and more that future voters look upon this and say: You are crazy.

Good job in handing the liberals this country wingnuts.


usmc1994
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

you are a disgusting piece of shit for suggesting what you just did.


ScaredforUS
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

There is definition regarding dual allegience.. his father was a british subject and his mother was not here long enough to pass her citizenship to him .. so he is not natual born. as for Chester A.. It doesnt change the facts of NOW. So it slipped in.. oh wait.. so did this one.. it doesnt matter.. nothing short of a 2million person march to DC will be needed to make any change.. the hill doesnt care.. and they do whatever THEY want and not what WE want..
This country has been broke for a long time.. before bush..before clinton.. Oh well..I guess I will continue to cling to my guns and god..


usmc1994
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Oh NOES!1! Teh scawwy Muslin prezunit TeLePromTuRZ is comin' for mah bukkit!!1!!


tattooedchef1
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

The right had their way for 8 long years, our country was run into the ground. Now we have a man that was elected by majority vote, that's correct the right lost, wheather you like it or not Obama is our president, our leader, the most powerful man in the world, brought into power by a democratic voting system that worked far better than in 2000. Deal with it, in less than 4 years you will have your chance again to get one of your beloved right wingers in power again, then all of you paranoid dillusionists can reign supreme again and ruin this country far more with your hatred, paranoia, guns, religious fanaticism and general fear of anything you don't fully understand. I am not a democrat but when you only have 2 choices for prez this is what happens. I can't imagine how the angry troll and his non-sensical mistress would've been doing right about now, probably more of the conservative right winger same. How boring!


rd
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

I see these type of people everywhere on the net. They don't have to prove anything they say with facts, so they lie through their teeth to promote their rant du jour. I'm sick to death of them, and assume most are too. Obama was never denied clearance for the armed forces, and it doesn't matter what type of citizen his father was: He was born in the U.S., and his mother is also a U.S. citizen. Splice together all the misinformation you want, you really can't change what is true.


cjk002
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

The deficit was 1.3 trillion when Bush left office. If Obama leaves us with 1.6, it will be a fraction of the deficit increase Bush saddled us with:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/econ…

According to the IMF and several economists, The stimulus has been partly responsible for the good economic news we've seen over the last few weeks:

“Obama's stimulus package of tax cuts and increased government spending provided some support to the economy in the second quarter. But it will have more impact in the second half of this year as it extends its reach, economists said.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090731/ap_on_bi_ge…

Even John McCain admits that Obama's economic policies are working in the short term:

“”I think you could say that it is a short-term improvement in the economy. And I'll be glad to give him credit for that.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25699…

Making up facts isn't working for the birthers, and it won't work for you.


srsjones825
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

I heard Vince Foster was his real father!


John
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Bush bankrupted us by nearly $800 billion thanks to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. At least Obama's helping American's with his plans, all Bush did was line the pockets of his oil industry pals. And TARP was approved before the Obama even got into office, so that's still on Bush's watch.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

his father was a british subject and his mother was not here long enough to pass her citizenship to him

Yes, she was.

so he is not natual born.

Yes, he is.

as for Chester A.. It doesnt change the facts of NOW.

No, it just illustrates how idiotic your argument is. Oh, by the way, here's the full list of presidents with one or more foreign parents:

Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson
James Buchanan
Chester A. Arthur
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover
Barack Obama

Do you think no one in the history of the United States ever thought about that?

Oh well..I guess I will continue to cling to my guns and god..

Don't forget your paranoid delusions! You sure are clinging to those real good.


Paul A.
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Maybe I wasn't clear…my point was that under the law they BOTH are American citizens, not that I questioned McCain's citizenship. And I appreciate the posting of the actual law…I admit I didn't know the exact requirements.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

We’ve long since stopped “communicating” (if it was ever there). On a separate note:

from http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5690

“And anyway, why do we say “God bless you”? Remember, “God, bless you.” It’s like saying, “Fred, drive you to the store.” That means Fred’s driving himself. So when we say “God bless you” we’re saying “God, bless your own self.” But we don’t want the blessing to go to God; supposedly, we want it to go to the person we’re talking to. ”

……..

“Did you ever notice how sometimes we say weird things like that? The other day a friend was riding with me in the car and we were trying to find a place for gas, but the gas stations all had long lines, and so she said, “Waiting room only.” And I thought, “What was that ? Waiting room only.” I guess she meant the auto equivalent to “standing room only” but cars don’t stand, they wait in line. But when you say “waiting room only” for cars it doesn’t mean the same thing as “standing room only for people.” Does it? “Standing room only” means there’s only room left for those who will stand? So “waiting room only” means there’s only room left for those who wait . But there wasn’t any room left for those who wait; there wasn’t any waiting room at all. Everything was full. So she said “waiting room only” but she really meant ” no waiting room only.” Weird. Why do we talk like that? We do the same thing when we say “God bless you.”

So we say “God bless you” when we really mean “God bless them.” But we can’t say “God bless them” when we’re actually talking to them, because then we sound schizoid. Like place your hand on someone’s head, raise your eyes to heaven and say, “God bless him.” Like Thomas supposedly did in John 20. He said, “My Lord, and my God.” He’s not talking to Jesus, he’s talking to God up in heaven. That’s weird. Nobody talks that way. So we should say, “God, bless him or her ” if we really wanted to bless someone. But then we’re not talking to them, we’re talking to God.

……

“That’s why we simply say things like “God bless you” because we don’t we sound looney when we do. Why don’t we sound looney? Because we don’t mean it. We’re not really invoking a blessing. We’re not saying anything at all. We’re making nice Christian noise….and we’re using God’s name in a vain and empty fashion. That’s the way it seems to me.”


Paul A.
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Does a C-section qualify as “natural-born?”


TrueRepub
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Digging their own graves. Just digging it deeper and deeper. Just like the children of Israel, there will be much wandering in the wilderness for 40 years. Perhaps after that time, do you see the follies of their ways, and attack policies, not birth certificates. If this is the only thing you have to bring down this guy, then.. well… good luck. Haha.


jamesmseidel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

No matter what, we will have a bogus President due to our ineffective voting rights, along with a lack of representation in this lobbyist infected government.
I copied the following to make the point, just show us your real Birth certificate. That problem will go away. Next, answer the Barry Soetorro alien student question and if you mentioned Barry Soetorro on your bar exam.

Anonymous says:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

What Obama and my wife have in common
Posted: August 03, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

© 2009

Dear Mr. President:

First, happy birthday. I do hope Aug. 4 is an enjoyable day for you and your family. Coincidentally, I also will be celebrating this week the birth of someone dear to me, my beloved wife, Gena, whose birthday is on Aug. 9.

Speaking of birthdays, I couldn't help but hear and read all over the news last week about the fresh attention to your constitutional eligibility and natural born citizen status. I can hardly believe that individuals are now offering bounty – one for $100,000 – for any personal witness or sufficient evidence to your American birth.

For nearly two years, this debate continues to grow despite all your administration's attempts to diffuse it. And those who are raising concerns aren't just those on the right, but moderate law-abiding citizens like a retired CIA officer who commissioned an investigator to look into the issue.

Still, your press secretary, Robert Gibbs, continues to glibly brush aside the issue by calling it “fictional nonsense.” But, in so doing, he devalues the grievance passage of the First Amendment and insults those who are genuinely concerned and inquisitive by categorizing them all as political quacks. He needs to learn that you can't model tolerance for certain minorities while belittling and quarantining those who don't blindly follow your lead.

Believe it or not, I'm not writing you to challenge whether you were born in America, though I see nothing wrong with the American public voicing that constitutionally based grievance with someone in your esteemed position. As one blogger wrote, after all, “We aren't talking about a 12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here.” Or as Ronald Reagan once said, “Trust but verify.”

Personally, I must admit that I find it a bit of a groundless stretch not to believe in the birth announcements in two major Hawaiian newspapers in August of 1961, in which the Hawaiian Health Department would have been required to post information they received directly from hospitals: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.” Nevertheless, that proof still doesn't answer why you refuse to reveal your original birth certificate and end the growing tides of controversy.

I'm writing you because this is no longer a matter merely about proving a presidential prerequisite in the Constitution. Refusing to post a copy of your original birth certificate is an unwise political and leadership decision that is enabling the birther controversy. The nation you are called to lead is experiencing a growing swell of conspirators who are convinced that you are covering up something. So why not just prove them wrong and shut them up?

(Column continues below)

If the birther movement is truly full of a bunch of conspiracy-fringed kooks or “zombies,” as the Los Angeles Times proclaims, then prove once and for all that you are a naturally born citizen by posting your original birth certificate. And all the controversy will fade away like the pains of childbirth.

I agree with CNN's Lou Dobbs, who was chastised by his own media outlet for demanding the release of your original birth certificate. So why is that such a bad request? We certainly know why CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein thought it was a bad idea: because he previously declared that CNN researchers determined that Obama's 1961 birth certificate no longer existed.

But Hawaii's officials confirmed again last week that they indeed have your original birth certificate on file. Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaiian State Department of Health, repeated her October 2008 statement that she had personally seen with her own eyes the “original vital records.”

Some claim that even you cannot see or request your own personal birth certificate, because Hawai'i's disclosure law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes 338-18) states that “it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part on any such record … “

But the law further states that the Health Department “shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.” (Italics mine)

Isn't categorically satisfying constitutional requirements for a president, or answering the First Amendment grievances of hundreds of thousands of Americans, or ending a national debate or healing a country's divisions enough “direct and tangible interest”?

Mr. President, as more and more people realize that you are refusing to release your original birth certificate, further questions will fuel the fires of debate or at least hinder the embers from ever being snuffed out. Questions like, “Does it really contain the Hawaiian physician's name?” Or “Does it disclose something other than his birth place that he wishes others not to see?”

In fact, last week copies of the 1961 birth certificates from twin girls, who were born a day after you in the same Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, give examples of those typical of the time. They include much more information than certificates today, like the baby's parents' ages, occupations, birthplaces, race, etc., as well as specifics of the medical personnel presiding over the baby's birth and the hospital in which he or she was born.

Of course not every U.S. citizen has access to their original birth certificate, but you do, and that's the only one under debate. As valuable as copies can be, textual critics know that nothing outweighs an original, especially when only it contains the information under question.

So again I ask, why don't you simply request, release and give permission to make public your original birth certificate?

Mr. President, you promised the American people that you are “committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.” In fact, on July 23 in your prime time press conference, you said that your administration was more transparent than those of previous presidencies: “I think that we have provided much greater transparency than existed prior to our administration coming in.”

So again I ask, why not live out that transparency promise by posting your original birth certificate and end the division and debate?

Well, I have a birthday to plan, so I better get going.

Again, happy birthday Mr. President.

Yours truly,

Chuck Norris

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 3 2009 @ 6:46AM


parsage
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Natural born? Doesn't that mean naturally birthed? Let me further confuse the conversation by proposing that only those born without use of medications by the mother, and heavens! no episiotomies! should qualify as natural born. I know my kids were!


yomomma
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

I had to go get my birth certificate from the state of Oregon yesterday – cost me $20 bucks and it was a lousy forgery COLB. I asked the lady for my long form BC – she looked at me like I was crazy and said this is the only form that was available. I can't believe the state of Oregon would just hand out forgerys like this. Why didn't my parents tell me I was born in Kenya??


jamesmseidel
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

I would rather be compared to the Chosen people of God, than the devils children such as yourself.


namemename
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

You need to learn how to read much better because you are confusing your opinion with legal fact. you are misreading the definition of natural born as how you chose to define it which says nothing about both parents having to be American citizens at the time of birth because no such law exists anywhere in the Federal government to define Natural Born.
second of all, the mother comment is completely incorrect as well, or do you suppose that her birth in Witicha KS was faked too and that her parents who were also born in Kansas weren't legit either.

It never ceases to amaze me how little Fact people need to know to form an opinion they feel is some kind of unfallable truth.


ajw3
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

It's funny that you assert that people who are simply asking Obama to provide proof that he is a natural born citizen, a Constitutional requirement for the Presidency, don't have to prove anything.

The burden of proof is not on us. It is on President Obama. He has yet to prove that he is, in fact, a natural born citizen (see your Constitution). The Certificate of Live Birth that has been floated as evidence of his claim is not proof. In short, it can be obtained by or for someone who is not a natural born U.S. citizen.

The burden of proof rests exclusively on Obama. He could end all this by simply providing the necessary evidence. My guess is that he is more than happy to have this controversy taking up some of the time which could otherwise be devoted to understanding and then defeating his Marxist plans.

Obama clearly expresses his contempt for both the rule of law and his fellow citizens every day that he refuses to provide bona-fide evidence of his eligibility to serve as President.


ScaredforUS
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

This little clause here takes care of most of your arguement..
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ”

The grandfather provision of the “natural born Citizen” clause provides an exception to the “natural born” requirement for those persons who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, but had been born as British subjects before the American Revolution (or were born after the Revolution, but before 1787). Without this exception, ten subsequent presidents would have been constitutionally ineligible to serve.[1]

Additionally, the Twelfth Amendment states that: “[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

All of those listed are covered under that clause except Maybe Chester..and for sure obama..but again.. it doesnt matter.. what they want, they get.
Also, in the future, just because I have a different point of view or interpretation than you do doesnt mean you need to resort insults and sarcasm. This should be a friendly debate.
thank you


TrueRepub
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

You're pathetic. You are so utterly pathetic, it makes me wretch. Stop.. Just stop doing what you're doing.

Breathe. Reverse course.

What is your -purpose- of bringing the Natural Born Citizerny into question. You don't think the FBI hasn't investigated -their own president- Do you not think, that any law enforcement official has not said. “Well, he's not eligible.” After seeing that he wasn't?

What about the Government of Hawai'i who had -come- out in a press conference twice.

Twice. And declared he is a citizen of the country.

And then the 378-0 Resolution voted by members of Congress, who confirmed his citizenship.

Maybe I'm beginning to think. He's either that good, or you're just that dim. Either way, he seems far above the fray. Good Job. Keep digging. I'm sure one day, you'll find the real killer of JFK, and the Aliens that are hidden in area 51, and the Illuminati and the Bilderbergers who manipulate you, and everything else.


rockyvnvmc
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Ms Taitz is introducing her copy of the birth certificate in court , so I doubt that it is a fraudulent
copy. She surely wouldn't want to look a fool in such a high profile case !


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Well, if Chuck Norris is on board, then so am I. He'll roundhouse kick that usurper in the face!!!!1!!

Seriously, birthers? Chuck Norris? It's hard to parody you when you do it yourselves.

Btw, I loved this:

I copied the following to make the point, just show us your real Birth certificate. That problem will go away. Next, answer the Barry Soetorro alien student question and if you mentioned Barry Soetorro on your bar exam.

Yeah, the problem will go away. But our chest of conspiracy theories is bottomless! We have more questions! We will never be appeased by the martian kenyan socialist fascist alien usurper!!!!1!!!


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Ever see the Twilight Zone episode, “Monsters Are Due on Maple Street”? It's the episode where there are lights and electrical power flickering on and off with no reason, and people in the neighborhood start to get paranoid and suspect that there is someone or something behind it and it's out to get them. Then one house doesn't lose power at all, and everyone gangs up on that family, believing them to somehow be behind it all. Eventually the neighborhood turns to physically fighting and trying to kill each other. The camera cuts away to show two aliens sitting on a hill watching it, and one points out how easy it is to get earthlings to destroy themselves, merely by messing with the power, and they speculate that taking over the earth will be easier than they ever imagined.

Well, I don't know if something like that is what's behind the President not releasing his alleged “long form” birth certificate (which I don't even know if Hawaii has), but as a Democrat, I think it's pretty funny watching you tin foil hat types destroying the reputation of your party by going to war over this. Hahahaha! Good luck getting any rational folks to vote along with you in 2010 or 2012! Go birthers, go birthers, go birthers!


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Prove to me that Chuck Norris wrote this!


Robard
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

Maybe the forgery was concocted by Obama's camp as a sort of red herring to lead his persecutors astray. Whatever the forger is, he/she isn't a true sceptic or “birther”.


ScaredforUS
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

You seem to be very versed in this.. its funny how each side sees what they want to see..and how they want to see it.. all seriousness aside..I still believe what I want based on how I interpret something..and you will still believe yours.. fair enough.. in the end will it really matter..they like this squabbling among the peasants.. ! Have a grand day!


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

All of those listed are covered under that clause except Maybe Chester.

Really? Are you suggesting that James Buchanan, who was born in Pennsylvania in 1791, is covered by a provision meant to cover those who were foreign citizens before the country was founded? Or that Woodrow Wilson, born in Virginia in 1856, was somehow a citizen of another country prior to 1789? Or Herbert Hoover, who was born in Iowa in 1874? You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

but again.. it doesnt matter.. what they want, they get.

Oh, it doesn't matter? Then what's is the point?

Also, in the future, just because I have a different point of view or interpretation than you do doesnt mean you need to resort insults and sarcasm.

I call em as I see em. If you don't like it, maybe the internets aren't for you, bucko.

This should be a friendly debate.

Friendly debate with deranged wackos is an impossibility.


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

Actually a person can't be President if he isn't a natural born U.S. citizen, but Obama already is President. A priori, he is a natural born U.S. citizen. He proved it before he ran and was allowed to run. Now, if you think he isn't a natural born citizen, the burden is on you krazies to prove THAT.

And then after that, try to get jobs so you don't waste so much time on this.

Still laughing….


d
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

Um, it has been proven. People keep asking in the face of that proof … which is downright weird.


TrueRepub
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

I just find it funny, most of the base here, will go to any length to prove themselves right. Saviours of the country.

How quaint.

Well, I propose this. After you spend as much time as you do unveiling this large convoluted plot to gain hold of the highest office in the land, and it proves to be invalid. You would've spent all the time, and energy, and patience, diffusing that situation, instead of focusing on Cap and Trade, or Health Care.

I'm bloody glad I have you. Bloody glad, indeed.


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

What percentage of the means of production in this country do you think the government owns–40%? 50%? 75%.

Would it surprise you to find out that even with owning or controlling the major banks (which it doesn't, but I'll give you that) and two of the three major automakers (which it doesn't–it owns part of one; Fiat owns another; shareholders own Ford), that the government “owns or controls” under 0.24% of the means of production in this country?

The Saudis actually own or control more of our production than the US government does. So much for socialism.

Still laughing….


lucie07
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

What is the point of this post. It has nothing to do with the fact the crazies on the Right are saying that the President was not born in the United States. Just so that you know, there are banks that go under all the time. There were a number that went under during the Bush Administration, was that a sign that Bush is a socialist? What you should be outraged by is that fact that during the Bush Adm. credit swaps, bad subprime loans, and Ponzi scheme were allow to go on all while our then President and his administration told us that the fundimental of the economy were strong. Now, with that being said, should we be saying that capitalism is the devil. No, just the greed people running the capitalistic system. As far as your little statement about blacks voting for Obama based on race, I believe that your numbers are faulty. I believe that more blacks just actually got out an voted during this election. But the fact remains, the Republican Party has never been a party that wanted the black vote anyway but now they want to cry racism. Such a joke. Ignoring us just came back to bite them in the butt.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

I see the anti-birthers are getting more hysterical by the hour.

What's it like to be “True Believers” who take on faith alone what has not been proven?

Why are you all so collectively UNcurious about how much of his life Barry Obama is hiding from the public?

All this fuss caused over a simple unanswered question:

Where's the Birth Certificate?

You know, I thought this was all a non-issue at first, but the longer it goes on that more I see the True Believers go batschit crazy and the more I see state/media collusion to quash the story, the more I think there's some “there” there.

Barry's hiding something, and I want to know what it is.


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Hey moron, answer Mantis's reply. Oh, there is no answer to it? Then make up some more crap.

Laughing at you, not with you….


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

It's incurious, not UNcurious.

But that's not why we're all laughing AT you.

Hahahahaha!


ScaredforUS
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

His parents had become US cits.. therefore children are Natural Born Cits..


madelynwriter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

@Atlas_Collins:

Is that your real name or are you a commie spy? Pls put up a picture of your birth certificate or I'll assume you've something to hide. Because I'm a paranoid douchebag, too!


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

What's it like to be “True Believers” who take on faith alone what has not been proven?

What's it like to be a deluded paranoiac?

Why are you all so collectively UNcurious about how much of his life Barry Obama is hiding from the public?

We know lots about the president. I don't personally need to know the name of the doctor that delivered him in Honolulu, or what grades he got in school. I've never known those things about any presidential candidate when voting, so why would I need them now?

Where's the Birth Certificate?

There's an original in the Hawaii state archives. There's a certified copy that the Obama campaign released in 2008, and presumably still has. What's the problem?

You know, I thought this was all a non-issue at first, but the longer it goes on that more I see the True Believers go batschit crazy and the more I see state/media collusion to quash the story, the more I think there's some “there” there.

Translation: the more crazy I consume, the more crazy I become. Black helicopters everywhere!!!!1!!

Barry's hiding something, and I want to know what it is.

Maybe it's your brain?


saminva
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

Ok Obama! Lets show those Repubs a thing or two and shut them up!! Just show your COLB and put an end to it!! That will show them who's boss!! Not to mention saving yourself tons of money hiring lawyers to fight it. There were congressional hearings on Mcains birth. Show them you don't need no stinking hearing to prove where you were born!! OOPS!! You can't? You won't? You weren't? Oh, never mind!!


mytulpa
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

Wrong. THe burden of proof in NOT on Obama. The powers that be checked, verified and deemed as acceptable his elegibility so serve as President. Now some people who really wanted the other guy to be President are crying foul. Please tell me where in the consitution that the President has to show the general populace his eligibility? You right wing wackos were perfectly complacent letting Bush II run roughshod all over the constitution, but when even republican senators who you probably voted for have laid this non-issue to rest and perfectly satisfactory evidence debuking your stupid conspiracy theory has been presented by government officials, you refuse to acknowledge the plain and simple truth that is right in front of your eyes. Get over yourselves. The burden of proof is upon the one who makes the accusation. That's the way our society works.


starlitnight
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

Blacks have ALWAYS voted for WHITE presidents — they had no other choice. Blacks usually voted democratic, so that didn't change either. What's the point??

You see, you're twisted. You started your conversation saying, “…it has absolutely nothing to do with the race of the person pshing the program.” Then, you give statistics regarding, “Blacks, on the other hand voited for Obama by over 30 percentage points…”

Once again, what's your racist point???


jewelsee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

I don't have the original copy of my birth certificate either. So does that mean I wasn't born in the United States as well?


saminva
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

But it's simple to get one! I did!


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Only if you are African American and your politics are to the left of Hannity/Rush/Beck and you get elected president.


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Why would he do that? Then you guys would (in theory, at least) have to stop making asses of yourselves. Oh, the insane among you would still do so, but those on the margin would stop. It's too much fun watching the Republican Party self-destruct.

Still laughing!


saminva
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

I got a copy of mine because I couldn't afford to pay over $900,000 to fight showing it! Must be nice to have that much noney to waste! Cheaper to just get it!


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

No you didn't. You're lying. The one you are claiming is yours is a fake. Seriously. Show us the real one. Or else be prepared to be deported to wherever it is we say you were really born. Seriously.

Douchebag.


bgp68
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

I just realized something. If you look at the copy of what is supposed to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate it says under the seal republic of Kenya and the cert. is dated Aug. 1961.

Kenya was a british colony at this time and di not become the Republic of Kenya until 1963 , Dec 12 1963 to be precise so no way this could be authentic from the 'republic of Kenya ” of be dated form 1961.

But alas the birthers will keep it going anyway


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

No, she wouldn't want to look like a fool. Nobody who has ever seen her and heard her speak would ever think she was a fool. LOL


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

Once again, all I get is ad hominum attacks and accusations that I am the one who is crazy for asking a simple question that has NOT been answered:

Where is the Birth Certificate?

Why does that question get you so wound up? Why do YOU think Barry refuses to release the original? (And what the Obama campaign released is NOT a copy of the original — but you already know that, don't you?)

As for his grades — didn't we hear about Gearge Bush's C-average for 8 years? Didn't we lampoon John Kerry's F's? Didn't we make endless fun of Sarah Palin's community college education?

ALL Presidents in recent memory have released far more of their life records than Obama has.

WHY is he hiding so much of his life?


welderman007
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

If it were me and I had the proof I was an American citizen I'd show it so it proved 1 of the essential requirements for being the President of the United States then I could go on with the business I was elected to do and try to fix this country, OOOHH, can't do that either?


namemename
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Oh, thank you I certainly intend to have a grand day.

There's no “side” in my statements, simple a string of easily verifiable facts. Based on a series of facts and only of facts, it become plainly apparent two things 1) there is no formalized legal definition of “natural born” and 2) based on the only available definitions of statutory citizenship (as opposed to naturalized) Obama is a citizen based on the criteria provided and the information publicly available about Obama.

From there one can derive based on these two facts Obama is eligible.

IF however, which it appears some do, you believe the information made available publicly about Obama is incorrect than you could possibly surmise a potential ineligibility.

However, a great number of the theories that are floated around as to why he cannot be President based on legal definition miss-read how the legal definitions are actually structured, for example, the citizenship status of parents.

The ones that believe the BC that was produced is fake and that the rest of the birth related announcements and verifying factors were made up, well, those are opinion. I chose to believe they are real based on the information I have available. Someone else chooses to believe they are fake. Maybe I chose to believe there's is fake too and I should have them deported? Maybe I shouldn't.

The problem with the fake BC versus real BC is this – there is no such thing at this point of undeniable proof. No mater what course of action Obama would take it would result in some new form of the conspiracy morphing to disprove it. Since it is physically impossible for every last American to be trained in how to spot a fraud and then personally inspect the document and time machine's do not exist to go back and witness the birth itself there can be no end to the conspiracy theory.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

Isn't Chuck Norris the washed up Hollywood actor who campaigned for the religious goofball who now has a show on Fox (Huckleberry, or Dingleberry, or Huckabee, something like that) who doesn't believe in evolution?


witty6
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Even if Obama shows us his COLB (long form) birth certificate there are going to be Birthers claiming it will be a fake. BTW, I don't recall hearing anything about McCain's birth being brought up in Congressional hearings. It was brought up in the media that McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone at the time it was an American territory, but that both his parents being American made it a moot issue.


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

He did that before he got elected. He wouldn't have been on the ballot had he not. Moron.


paulineviverette
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Chuck Norris, I've always enjoyed your acting in Texas Ranger. But now you're revealing a facet of your character that is very unpalatable. The Governor of Hawaii, Hawaii's official vita statistics bureau, as well as President Obama himself, have all provided ample proof that Obama is a natural born American citizen. Would you bring similar accusations against Sen. John McCain, for having been born on a military base outside of the continental United States of America? I don't think so. You've aligned yourself with the right wing kooks who just won't admit to themselves that they are scared shitless because an African American has been elected POTUS. If the fears and anxieties of these people had been addressed and debunked way back in the days of George Wallace, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan (who went south to Philadelphia, Mississippi, where the creeks and streams are littered with the bodies of lynched African Americans, to announce his presidency and thereby cater to the fears and hysteria of these fringe element zealots, then the country would now be very much more mature politically and culturally and therefore not find it so difficult to accept the fact of Barack H. Obama as President of the United States of America. What's different in 2009 is that there are more Caucasians who are not so fearful and who are standing up to make themselves heard and to denounce the kooks for just what they are–right wing nut cases!

Think about it! Or, are you one of those Caucasians who would voluntarily give their lives for someone who is dfferent from them, as long as they're not required to give recognition of their equal humanity! Sorry, the Constitution was changed. African Americans are no longer to be considered nonhuman, property; we now are Constitutionally human beings, full-fledged, first class citizens and thereby entitled to the same liberties as Caucasian Americans!

Think about it. Recognizing the equal humanity of all does not diminish your humanity one bit!


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

I keep hearing about all this money Obama supposedly has spent to fight showing his birth certificate. Documentation, please.


RobertSeattle
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Wow – the made up $800K figure it now $900K? I must have missed the memo.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Hi madelyn,

If I was President, or even a candidate, of course I would release any records that the public demanded.

What gets me about this whole situation is that Obumble could defuse it in about a minute and a half and make the “birthers” look as ridiculous as the leftie loon “911 truthers”.

But he doesn't. Why do you think Barry keeps his birth records, school records, medical records, passport records, adoptions records, etc ad infinitum, ALL sealed? And why, do you think, has he spent over a million dollars in legal fees keeping them sealed?

I'm not speculating as to what Obumble might be hiding, I'm just pointing out the factual evidence that he is, obviously, hiding something.


anthony002
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Sorry but it is a lie that blacks supported Obama by 30 percent larger margin.

Kerry got 88 % of the black vote

Gore got about 91% of the black vote.

You do the math. Unless Obama got 121% of the black vote, your numbers are a result of either ignorance or deliberate contempt for the truth.


jham710
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Hawaii won't release the original due to statute. So, Obama doesn't have to spend anything to “fight” it, nor should he. The fact is he was born today in Hawaii 48 years ago! And I hope he is having a wonderful birthday too. :)

http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com


jham710
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Hawaii won't release the original due to statute. So, Obama doesn't have to spend anything to “fight” it, nor should he. The fact is he was born today in Hawaii 48 years ago! And I hope he is having a wonderful birthday too. :)

http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com


nonlinear
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

If it's a Kenyan birth certificate, why is it in english? No, really, I'm curious.


nonlinear
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

If it's a Kenyan birth certificate, why is it in english? No, really, I'm curious.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

Put your race card away, Jeff. It's old and worn out and doesn't work anymore.

Plus, it makes you look stupid.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

Put your race card away, Jeff. It's old and worn out and doesn't work anymore.

Plus, it makes you look stupid.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

Put your race card away, Jeff. It's old and worn out and doesn't work anymore.

Plus, it makes you look stupid.


Pablo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

The question was answered in the post you replied to. Why do you keep saying it hasn't been?


Pablo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

The question was answered in the post you replied to. Why do you keep saying it hasn't been?


Pablo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

The question was answered in the post you replied to. Why do you keep saying it hasn't been?


Pablo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

She doesn't have a copy. She only has that photograph.

Orly Taitz has no problem looking like a fool.


Pablo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

She doesn't have a copy. She only has that photograph.

Orly Taitz has no problem looking like a fool.


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

And the reason you can't afford it? Because you don't have a JOB because all you do is research this issue.

Hahahaha!

Laughing AT you, not with you.

P.S. saminva, I'm still waiting for your real birth certificate and not that fake. I'm sending INS to Virginia as we speak. Better get the real one, fast!


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

And the reason you can't afford it? Because you don't have a JOB because all you do is research this issue.

Hahahaha!

Laughing AT you, not with you.

P.S. saminva, I'm still waiting for your real birth certificate and not that fake. I'm sending INS to Virginia as we speak. Better get the real one, fast!


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

No, it hasn't, Pablo. What that was is called an “assertion”, it is not a definitive answer.

Is English not your first language, or are you just rather slow and thick?


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

No, it hasn't, Pablo. What that was is called an “assertion”, it is not a definitive answer.

Is English not your first language, or are you just rather slow and thick?


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

No, it hasn't, Pablo. What that was is called an “assertion”, it is not a definitive answer.

Is English not your first language, or are you just rather slow and thick?


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

No, it hasn't, Pablo. What that was is called an “assertion”, it is not a definitive answer.

Is English not your first language, or are you just rather slow and thick?


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

No, it hasn't, Pablo. What that was is called an “assertion”, it is not a definitive answer.

Is English not your first language, or are you just rather slow and thick?


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

No, it hasn't, Pablo. What that was is called an “assertion”, it is not a definitive answer.

Is English not your first language, or are you just rather slow and thick?


RichTNYC
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Is anyone questioning whether Mama Obama was a US citizen who lived at least 5 years in the US?

Because with just that he could have been born in Kenya and still be US President.

Apparently, the question of natural born is a bigger issue with McCain than Obama.


nottawacky
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

How much more will our White House spend to defeat court challenges about this? After over a MILLION US DOLLARS (where did all that money come from, certainly not Barack's checkbook?) how much more will they be spending? Why did they even spend one penny? HUH??? Why spend even ONE PENNY?

Is there a hidden agenda in our White House??

The million dollars spent on this by our White House was surely an incredible waste of someone's money!


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

You have already proven that.


welderman007
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

you sound like you should have been a Jim Jones follower, to follow blindly


Chris
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

Well if it were real, it would be because English is the official language, being a former British colony and all that. But since it's a doctored copy of an Australian certificate, that's why.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Kenya was British Colony until 1963 or 64 depending on who you talk.

They speak English in England.

Do you have any other incredibly ignorant questions you want answered?


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Hey. the ironically named nottawacky (sic) has found out that Obama spent another $100k on it. Now we're up to $1 million! Do I hear $2 million?

nottawacky (sic) isawacky!

P.S. nottawacky, don't you mean notawacky?

Laughing at you too!


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

Once again, all I get is ad hominum attacks and accusations that I am the one who is crazy for asking a simple question that has NOT been answered:

Basic syllogism. All birthers are crazy. You are a birther. You are crazy. QED.

Why does that question get you so wound up?

It doesn't. Why does Barack Obama get you so wound up?

Why do YOU think Barry refuses to release the original?

First, he doesn't have it. Second, he doesn't need to.

(And what the Obama campaign released is NOT a copy of the original — but you already know that, don't you?)

The state doesn't photocopy originals, you idiot. They issue a COLB. It is a certified document good enough for any court in the land. That's what they issue, that's what he got, that's what was released. Get over it.

As for his grades — didn't we hear about Gearge Bush's C-average for 8 years?

We heard about a lot of things. Did Bush release his college transcripts? No, he did not. The New Yorker got ahold of one Yale transcript in 1999, but that's it. I didn't know about that until 2005 when Kerry's grades were found in a Navy file (he didn't release his college transcripts either).

Didn't we lampoon John Kerry's F's?

In 2005, yes. That was after the election, and he didn't release them.

Didn't we make endless fun of Sarah Palin's community college education?

I didn't, but whatever. Did she release her transcripts? No, she did not.

ALL Presidents in recent memory have released far more of their life records than Obama has.

False.

WHY is he hiding so much of his life?

Obviously to make people like you crazy. Doesn't take much.


patiencepie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

Hey — I SAW Obama's Birth Certificate on numerous news programs — and it looks almost exactly like mine from Pennsylvania. Mine was good enough to get an international passport, a driver's license, and insurance.

Also, who are these idiots claiming Obama has spent $800,000 fighting the birthers? Obama has spent NOTHING fighting this lie — because he doesn't have to. It's not like this is a valid lawsuit or anything. It's a bunch of screaming lunatics.

Obama should never respond or engage with these creeps; does anyone really think the birthers will get all nice and happy if they see more documents?? The birthers HATE Obama and want to destroy him. He's wise to ignore their ignorant slanders.

,


ray11mo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

do not believe he is was born in america. time for him to release all documents about his birth. that is all he has to do what does he have to hide. you do not take a breath test if you think you will not pass you do not release your records if you do not believe they will pass same thing. america is in the biggest scam of all times


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Um, whom exactly am I following blindly? The birthers, who don't believe 100% of the government entities and non-crackpots that have investigated this?


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Um, whom exactly am I following blindly? The birthers, who don't believe 100% of the government entities and non-crackpots that have investigated this?


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

I heard a billion trillion! In taxpayer money! No wonder the deficit is so big!


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

I heard a billion trillion! In taxpayer money! No wonder the deficit is so big!


Freedom's Cost
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

I’ll give two good reason:

A)He would put them in their place, shut them up and enjoy an easy ride forward as these nutjobs wouldn’t dare open their mouths, or if they try to attack him they’d be ridiculed since they’d have lost any credibility!

B) Sending $20.00 to the State of Hawaii is a hell of a lot cheaper (and faster) than paying $800,000 plus dollars to his lawyers to shut these guys up. If nothing else, it certainly doesn’t look good to spend four hundred times the necessary amount to shut everybody up.

These two good reasons come from a Republican who already said in another thread here, that as far as I’m concerned, what Dr. Orly Taitz showed on TV was nothing more than a forgery, whether she herself knew it or not. AND I’m not a birther of any kind, I have other issues I consider more worthy of discussion


nonlinear
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

yes. if someone asks a question, it usually means they ignore the answer, right?

so your answer just shows how rude you are.

thank you. no need to answer that one. have a good life.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

Your right we actually have documentation proving one so they are VERY different.
Too bad you won't accept Obama's BC as valid, nor well you believe the Democratic Party, the FBI, Congress, and the Senate when they ALL AGREE HE IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

Actually, John McCain would have been our first foreign-born president, since he was born in Panama. But you know what?

HE LOST.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

What you “saw” is merely a certification that an original document exists. It is that original document that Obama refuses to release.

An original birth certificate includes more extensive information than the abbreviated COLB form that the Administration falsely claims is a “Birth Certificate”, this information includes the date, time, place and attending physician or midwife's signature.

Or, in the case of Hawaii in 1961, Obumble's COLB could simply refer to an original foreign birth certificate that is on-file with the Hawaiian Department of Records.


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

Is this really Dwight Schrute, using the screen name Atlas_Collins?

Okay, Dwight, if you're so smart, try this one. Why are birth certificates in Puerto Rico written in Spanish, and why do people there speak Spanish, when it is a territory of the US, which speaks English?

Riddle me that, Dwight!

P.S., Dwight, Kenya has two official languages, Swahili and English. Why is it only written in English and not also Swahili? Oh yeah, because it's from Australia.


lilaproof
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

Hey quick question which I'm sure someone has asked – was Kenya a Republic in 1959? I'm sure the country's independence came later….1963 or 1964.

Schoolboy forgery error….


Yrcrazee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

I do not believe you have a functioning brain


tacitus
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

That million dollars spent? Never happened. I have asked birthers over and over again for any evidence of the money “spent by Obama” to defend his birth certificate. It should be easy to find since the all documentation necessary would be in the public record of the court cases the birthers have been bringing. Names of lawyers, briefs filed, etc. Yet there is absolutely nothing.

Funniest of all, the whole “million dollars to prevent his birth certificate from being made public” idea was nothing more than an April Fool's joke in one of the British newspapers intended to mock the birther “movement”. How ironic that they have now adopted this joke as a central part of the conspiracy. Foolish is not strong enough a word for these people.


chipd1
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Suppose I concede he was born in Hawaii.

Why the secrecy? Why the careful parsing from the Hawaiin Health Secretary, and Governor (R).

I read a theory, and it makes sense.
Barak Hussein Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro when he moved to Indonesia. He lived under the name of Barak Soetoro, and in the divorce papers between his mother, and Lolo Soetoro when he was 19, he was listed as a child of the marriage. If he was only a stepchild, then he wouldn't be included in the divorce documents.

It would also explain why so much secrecy, since adoption records are recorded with the original birth certificate, and are usually protected by state law.


merchantilist
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

A thoughtful commentator pointed out the following. Suppose someone comes up with absolute proof that Obama is not a natural born citizens and that he should not be president. What are the main courses of action available to fix the problem. (1) he might do the honorable thing and resign. (2) The house might impeach him and the senate could remove him from office. Both actions would seem to be required to be action by honorable men and women sworn to uphold the constitution- fat chance that that will happen.


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

Not true, Dwight, not true. My birth certificate doesn't contain a midwife or attending physician's name. Does yours? Please post a link to a picture of it. Otherwise, I don't believe who you say you are, nor that you were born in the United States.

Laughing!


earlmosbach
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

Obama was born in the U.S. which makes him a citizen. I guess you wouldn't know that since you never heard of the constitution. Any citizen who wants the facts can find them from any Govt. institution.Such as comments from Bush staffers who said, under oath that “The administration used lies, forged documents and deception to gain support for for our invasion of Iraq” who by the way has never lifted a finger against us. Agreed they gassed 5ooo people but an American phamacuticle company headed by none other than D. Rumsfeld provided them with the chemicals to produce such a weapon. That make us an accomplice to murder. That is publc information. As for waterboarding not considered torture why is it that the U.N. excecuted Japanese officers for the same thing. I get it, It's torture if they do it but since we decided to re-define torture to suit our goals, that makes us right. That sir is as arrogant and self rightious as you can get. People like you who blindly follow the Govt. are our biggest threat. Ever hear of “We the people”? Guess not. You know nothing of war so you have no right to justify our murderous actions. Also, do you or anybody else know why we invaded Iraq? I didn't think so. Hell, Bush doesn't even know. Do you know why the Iranians hate us? Ever hear of the Shau? You know the puppet we installed to persecute his own people. The monster we helped train and equip his secret death squads and slaughter his opponants. If that's not enough reason to hate us what about our downing of a regularly schedualed civilian airliner with 3oo civilians, killing all aboard. Then awarding each crew member a medal. Are you proud of our immoral actions? What has Iran ever done to us? Lets face it, you can't deny a word I've said which makes you UN-AMERICAN, Anti constitution and an accomplice of genocide..What I've just said isn't open to interpretation, It is a well know fact. Look it up….


John
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

I realize you're new to America, but that's now how the American justice system works. See, in America, you are innocent until proven guilty. That means that _YOU_ have to prove Obama wasn't born here.

He doesn't have to do anything, he was born here until you do your work. Stop being a lazy foreigner, do your job, and prove Obama wasn't born in the US.


Oracle
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Forget the birth certificate. Obama failed two more powerful identity tests at the All-Star Game. Just as characters in WWII movies could spot a non-American using baseball trivia, it is clear to anyone who watched why he doesn't share a common view with the majority of this country (of any race). For one slim moment you saw truth. . . a boy from Jakarta getting ready to play cricket! There is no way that man played baseball growing up. The media's complicit one-camera set-up could hide the pathetic outcome near the plate, but not that larger truth… Oh the other test, he also proved that he is not a cool black man by wearing those mommy jeans… Stop worrying about where he was born and turn up the lights on the media-packaging job, the cracks have started. Somebody call “Makeup!” the real Obama is showing!


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Oh no, I've been accused of playing the RACE CARD. I assume you think all the right wing loud mouths who say Obama is a secret reverse racist sound stupid for playing the race card too, right? Because otherwise, I think that might make you a racist. Oh no, I did it again. How do I get out of this card game? Please deliver me from this craziness! I know in my heart that racism doesn't exist any more! It's just a coincindence that the older, whiter, dumber, and more southern you are, the less likely it is that you voted for the black guy!


westlafadeaway
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Too bad it's true.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Oh no, I've been accused of playing the RACE CARD. I assume you think all the right wing loud mouths who say Obama is a secret reverse racist sound stupid for playing the race card too, right? Because otherwise, I think that might make you a racist. Oh no, I did it again. How do I get out of this card game? Please deliver me from this craziness! I know in my heart that racism doesn't exist any more! It's just a coincindence that the older, whiter, dumber, and more southern you are, the less likely it is that you voted for the black guy!


westlafadeaway
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Too bad it's true.


tacitus
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Obama hasn't spent a single penny blocking anything. He has never needed to. All of the court cases filed by birthers have be thrown out, without President Obama or his lawyers having to lift a finger. You have been lied to by your birther pals. If they had any evidence for the money spent, they would have been spreading it all over the Internet. Since court documents are public, there should be a million dollars worth of lawyer briefs and submissions from the Obama team in the public record, yet there is none. Why do you think that is?


Yrcrazee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Or it COULD refer to his engram from planet Arcturus IV, stored in liquid nitrogen inside a secret military facility under the Pacific Ocean.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

What you “saw” is merely a certification that an original document exists. It is that original document that Obama refuses to release.

He doesn't have it. The State of Hawaii has the original in their archives. They don't release those. They issue COLBs. He got one. It was made public last year. It's good enough for any court in the land. You are dumb.

An original birth certificate includes more extensive information than the abbreviated COLB form that the Administration falsely claims is a “Birth Certificate”, this information includes the date, time, place and attending physician or midwife's signature.

And?

Or, in the case of Hawaii in 1961, Obumble's COLB could simply refer to an original foreign birth certificate that is on-file with the Hawaiian Department of Records.

No, it couldn't. He was born in Honolulu, just like the COLB states. Honolulu is not a foreign country, idiot.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

Well, it might make sense if there was any secrecy or careful parsing. I have a theory that you are the secret love child of Michael Jackson and Elizabeth Taylor. Makes sense.


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

His Birth Certificate has been released MULTIPLE times! Now you have pretty clear proof of a forged Kenyan Birht Certificate based on an Australian Birht Certificate and you still are playing ignorant. The ONE AND ONLY way people like yourself will ever believe is if you could go back in time and be present at the birth event!

Just can't figure out which you hate more, this Country or this President. Either way, the rest of us are working for the success of America!


NGA
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

The reason he does not “release his real birth certificate” it is distracting people from the GOP message. GOPer's are going on and on about this and it becomes a distraction over time for them. This is a classic game of using your own momentum against you. Instead of fighting it, he sits back and laughs at how silly it has all become and allows the GOPer's to hurt themselves. Let them keep it in the news with all these conspiracy theories and fake documents, because that will really lend to their credibility. What is really sad, that people believe them and buy into the garbage theories. Just admit it that you hate the fact he is in office and that it may or may not bother you that he is black and that he trounced John McCain. The sooner you realize your true inner feeling, and then you can move on from fantasy and step back into reality.

As for McCain, he was born in Panama during a time when it was not a incorporated territory of the United states. Depending on how you view natural born citizen, which could mean John McCain is not one. There was a resolution passed in Congress that “cleared up” his situation and declared him to be a natural born citizen. He needed a resolution from Congress to clear it up since there was a question to his legitimacy as a natural born citizen.


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

I read a theory too, and it makes even more sense.

You birthers can't handle the FACT that the Democratic Party now controls both houses of Congress, the majority of governorships and state houses, and the Office of the President, and so you are getting your panties twisted in bunches over some made up fake birth certificate. For many of you, you also can;t handdle the fact that a half-BLACK man is President.

Sorry dudes, but that's what happens when one party so messes up the nation for 8 years.

How's your stock portfolio doing, by the way? Mine's doing great since Obama came into office. Under Bush, the Dow fell 25% in 8 years. Not so hot….


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

Why the secrecy? Why the careful parsing from the Hawaiin Health Secretary, and Governor (R).

You crazy ass birthers are the ones parsing the words of Hawaii officials. What they said makes perfect sense to anyone who isn't deranged. He was born in Honolulu, just as his birth certificate states. Get over it, crazy ass birther.


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

Or a shift key on his keyboard.


kiarie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

That doesnt look like a Kenyan birth certificate.I'm a Kenyan and can conclusively say that is a forgery.


garlicbeth
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

Mystery solved. Even IF the “birthers” are shown the forgery papers above, they won't believe it because they will do anything to discredit our election result and the people's choice for President. Many, many people have reviewed the authenticity issue. Birthers would like to make us believe that there's a “cover-up” concerning the facts. Cover-up by who? Who can successfully cover anything up in this day in age? Lou Dobbs gave them their voice and they were shown to be fools. If he refused to report on their nonissue they would have said, “the media is sweeping this under the rug.” The media is damned if they do and damned if they don't. What do you do about “nutcases” without calling them “nutcases”.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:12 am

Hmmmm, so my daughter can never become president because she was home birthed? I’m a little confused here. Hell, they let McCain run for Pres and he wasn’t born inside the U S of A. Now granted he was born to a US serviceman on duty in Panama, so that really shouldn’t disqualify a person.

Now the question that must be asked in your little scenario is how midwives are certified and monitored. Some states do all but forbid midwives, but even then there are ways to verify such live births as having in fact taken place inside the state and not long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away.

I do find it interesting that you put faith in so called “government” sources but automatically assume the state of Hawaii will lie outright and willfully in such important matters as well as in everyday matters. Seems to be a case of selective memory, especially because you are reading intent into a law that doesnt say what you say it says. Where are you getting your statement of intent?


welderman007
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Bush was and is an idiot and a liar, that doesn't mean Obama is any less an idiot and a liar. The problem is the US has been divided by political parties and special interest groups, we should unite and demand our elected officials are for us not for their own pocket filling.


lthompy
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

My granddaughter was born on a base in Puerto Rico and her birthcertificate from Puerto Rico is in English. And when I visited there the people did speak Spanish but they also spoke English.


martykayzee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution states: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of the President;”

Therefore, no one born after September 17, 1787 is or has ever been eligible to be president.

Ask a conservative to read this clause for you if you have trouble with it.


tacitus
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

LOL. Are you for real? When President Obama was in Indonesia (1967-1971) there wasn't any organized cricket in Indonesia. They only got going with the formation of the International Sports Club of Indonesia *in* 1971, the year Obama left.

Cricket is a wonderful game, but I highly doubt that Obama even knows which end of a cricket bat to hold.

But thanks for continuing to confirm to everyone else than birthers are blithering idiots.


dde
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Truly an idiot. The “original” document IS A VITAL STATISTIC RECORD!!!!! You try to get YOUR OWN ORIGINAL, and I GUARANTEE what you get is a CERTIFIED COPY OF THE ORIGINAL!!! Where do these idiots crawl out from under? Did any of them go to school, take civics or government classes? I am looking at my own “Certificate of Live Birth” from NV (1964). It is my ORIGINAL…as in the one given to my parents upon my birth. It has the information you suggest…physician's name, name of hospital, etc. I also have a certified copy. IT DOES NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION. I then looked at my 6 children's birth certificates. NONE of them have the additional information. They only have the city, county, and parent's birth place.

GIVE IT A REST!!!! Don't you have anything better to do with your life than hate?


dde
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Truly an idiot. The “original” document IS A VITAL STATISTIC RECORD!!!!! You try to get YOUR OWN ORIGINAL, and I GUARANTEE what you get is a CERTIFIED COPY OF THE ORIGINAL!!! Where do these idiots crawl out from under? Did any of them go to school, take civics or government classes? I am looking at my own “Certificate of Live Birth” from NV (1964). It is my ORIGINAL…as in the one given to my parents upon my birth. It has the information you suggest…physician's name, name of hospital, etc. I also have a certified copy. IT DOES NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION. I then looked at my 6 children's birth certificates. NONE of them have the additional information. They only have the city, county, and parent's birth place.

GIVE IT A REST!!!! Don't you have anything better to do with your life than hate?


Laughing at you birthers
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Outside of my own posts, this is the best one of the day!

We're laughing at you birthers. So are most Americans. And you're dragging the GOP down with you.

For example, Lou Dobbs = birther, which means that his crazy anti-immigration ideas might be crazy too. And since most of the Republican Party is in line with Lou on that, they're all implicated as well. See how it works? You're circling around the drain at the bottom of the toilet, bringing the whole GOP with y'all.

Man, it's like shooting fish in a barrel!


kiarie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

True…Kenya was not a republic in 1959 furthermore we were using Her Majesty's Coat of arms because we were still under British rule not the one they have put there that came after we attained independence in 1964.


964x4XLT
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

Riddle me this: The US of A has NO, repeated, NO official language. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, NO means NO. Although we call ourselves and are considered to be an English speaking nation, no provisions exist to make it “official”. You really should try being a bit more civil towards people there, Skippy.


George Bennett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

To Birther, After-birther, Liberial or Conservative, if you know the 'Man' you will understand the 'Scam'!

G B


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

What Secrecy??? His Birth Certificate has passed the review of the United States government, multiple News sources, the Hawaii Secretary of State and on and on…

Bottom line, there are people that WANT so badly to believe this boy can't be our President, that no level of information or facts will stop them from their tin foil hat rounds. But to appease your question of the “secrecy” of the REPUBLICAN Governor of Hawaii saying the Birth Certificate is valid, there is as Cons love to say “the Rule of Law”:

“Hawai'i's disclosure law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes 338-18) states “it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part on any such record …The Health Department “shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.”

Wearing a tinfoil hat is not direct and tangible interest in the record.


kiarie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

Yes….true it should be under Her Majesty's Coat of Arms. Not republic of Kenya.


NGA
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

This is probably the best post yet. I would love to visit your world.


irene owuor
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

i am a Kenyan.Kenyan birth certificates are half the size of that shown here! and they do not resemble the one shown here in any way..


George Bennett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Show me yours Kiarie and I'll show you mine!


George Bennett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Show me yours Kiarie and I'll show you mine!


George Bennett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Show me yours Kiarie and I'll show you mine!


Jeff
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Well, I think anyone who has heard both men utter a sentence, and who is being honest, would say that Obama is VERY MUCH less an idiot than Bush. And Obama a liar? List of proven lies, please.


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Sorry, you just contradicted yourself by combining “thoughtful commentator” with Obama not a Natural Born citizen!!

Jeeeeesus! This story alone shows that the primary “piece” of evidence used by the father of the birthers, Orly T., is a Document readily available online modified to be “proof.”


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Sorry, you just contradicted yourself by combining “thoughtful commentator” with Obama not a Natural Born citizen!!

Jeeeeesus! This story alone shows that the primary “piece” of evidence used by the father of the birthers, Orly T., is a Document readily available online modified to be “proof.”


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Sorry, you just contradicted yourself by combining “thoughtful commentator” with Obama not a Natural Born citizen!!

Jeeeeesus! This story alone shows that the primary “piece” of evidence used by the father of the birthers, Orly T., is a Document readily available online modified to be “proof.”


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Sorry, you just contradicted yourself by combining “thoughtful commentator” with Obama not a Natural Born citizen!!

Jeeeeesus! This story alone shows that the primary “piece” of evidence used by the father of the birthers, Orly T., is a Document readily available online modified to be “proof.”


ray11mo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

the reason he will not release is he and the media are scamming the american people just so a black man can be in office and the way he and his congress is trying to run this country will ruin it and make us a third world country like he has always wanted us to be


ray11mo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

the reason he will not release is he and the media are scamming the american people just so a black man can be in office and the way he and his congress is trying to run this country will ruin it and make us a third world country like he has always wanted us to be


George Bennett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

And of course Irene you were born in Kenya's 'Coast Province' prior to 1964?


rickahyatt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

HAPPY BIRTHER DAY TO THE BIG 0!
Are the humiliating Comment-makers and name callers all paid CHICOM Netizens or just paid ACORN activists?
Thank God for Attny. Taitz and her actions to save the US Constitution and the US, itself.
Ever notice: On ALL the search engine searches (Read they've been suppressing pro-birther results) the criticisms of all us “Birthers” is the same as they do in Red China?
There, the government employs a horde of “Netizens” to go to sites to humiliate & denigrate & suppress anti-government talk. They're paid about $.25 per input, I've read.
Just like these apparent ACORN operatives do, they ALWAYS humiliate, denigrate, and use varying terms of “Mental Illness” in volume! Buzzwords like “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,”Tin-hat,” “Conspiratorialist,” etc.
That's what happens to the average Chinese when they type out loud, and the CHICOMs have even more “Mental Health” Prisons as do the Russians.
The apparent wave of the future for us here in Obamaland? Is this why The Great O is building more prisons on military bases?
The CHICOMS have been waging economic and PSYOPS warfare on us a long time, at least since JFK (Oooh.. LISTEN TO THEM HOWL, NOW!). They've apparently continued their terroristic use of Biblical prophesies and Feng Sui (Remember what they did on 6/6/6? On 7/4/6?) by creating as part of The Big 0's Economic Manchurian Candidate grooming and Legend, that he's “Actually the Anti-Christ” (Imagine the desired conquer-and-divide reactions.) That his name, “Barack Obama,” as pronounced, means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew from the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher. The video, actually a good one, can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI… is the site. I bet the CHICOMS knew this when they choose his Legend name.
This creation of a well-groomed “Legend,” part of an overall economic warfare agenda, taking over at the top, is as old espionage craft as is planting posts in prominent Hawaii newspapers, making myth evolve into “The Truth.”
.I lived on Maui when they were contemplating that legislation for the COLB's. At first it was touted as being “Generous” for the cheap immigrant Filipino sugar cane workers, because it allowed them access to Hawaii's huge entitlement programs. But when the Legislature found out hat it could potentially let a foreign, hostile, espionage agent in as US President, they RUSHED to pass that bill. HI is half-way to Red China IN EVERY WAY YOU CAN THINK OF. Very asian-based racist, they love to rip off tourists of any color or race, but there is not a school in Hawaii that does not have “Kill Ha'ole Day,” the first day of school, where any Caucasian kid who doesn't want to get beaten stays home. Gov. Waihe'e himself sanctioned the practice, calling it “Cultural.”
Hawaii politicians are more corrupt and racist than NJ or Chicago. Call ME a conspiriatoralist? For my own anti-drug work, I was beaten three times. Twice by the Lahaina Mafia, and once by the Maui PD. You could ask Sen. Inouye about it – He wrote to say it would be investigated. What ever happened? The Big 0…
These people who know not that major criminal and espionage crime are, indeed, CONSPIRING, ought to get off their high horses, and stand among common men such as myself, in the know, and in the craft, for a change, before flinging their verbal spears at others.


danhar
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

It's not a matter of tinfoil, the intelect involved in spending millions to hide your birth certificate, then millions more to hide your college records, if in fact there is nothing to hide leads me to believe that this guy isn't the person I want as the president.


danhar
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

It's not a matter of tinfoil, the intelect involved in spending millions to hide your birth certificate, then millions more to hide your college records, if in fact there is nothing to hide leads me to believe that this guy isn't the person I want as the president.


Cass2Durbin
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Funny… Because since Obama took office, I've lost my job, my portfolio is worth half what it was a year and a half ago and we're spending billions of dollars on useless “programs” like Cash for Clunkers. Hey, there's an idea: waste billions of taxpayer dollars so that people can go out and buy an new Honda or Toyota! Brilliant! Yessiree, Obama is the best thing to happen to this country since the boll weevil, Nancy Pelosi and tuberculosis.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:38 am

I’m interested that you put so little faith in the government of Hawaii, believing they will outright lie on an important matter, yet will trust one particular type of document from them as 100% accurate.

Equally, I must admit to amusement at the belief in some kind of conspiracy (and yes I know you havent used that word, but if it quacks like a duck) in the matter of keeping the long form “hidden,” and can’t seem to understand the idea that a state will hold documents from public view for their own reason, no matter who the document is about (Joe Average or the first Black non-Kenyan really born inside the US of A President of the US of A).


michael4158
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

I could care less if it matches the Australian paperwork of the time period vs. if it matches the Kenyan paperwork of the time… That what makes it a forgery in my mind? Yes?


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

Where's the Birth Certificate?

Such a simple question has never stirred the passion of so many people who oh so want to Believe that Barry is something other than the inept, unprepared, naive ideologue extremist he's proving himself to be.

True Believers are always a hoot to watch as they froth about and fling spittle and invective at all who challenge their dearly held dogmas.


marklang
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Who cares about fake Kenyan birth certificates? Let's just see the American one.

They sure are willing to go to great lengths to avoid showing the American birth certiifcate they insist exists and yet refuse to show. Any child knows that when someone is willing to go to great lenths, all more difficult than simply producing the proof, that either that proof does not exist or does not prove what is claimed. Any child knows this.

Then, when people start making up degrading names such as “birther” to describe people asking a simple, rational, reasonable question, and then begin to ridicule anyone asking the “forbidden question” and trying to make them all out to be ” a crazy fringe element”… that is even more reason to believe that the proof that would be simple to produce, yet they refuse too, either does not exist or does not prove the claim.

All people are doing is asking a simple question “Since the Constitution specifically requires a person be born in the US to be president, and since there has long been an avoidance of showing the proof the current president insists exists, why can't we see this proof? Why is this man and his supporters willing to go to great lengths to avoid simply showing this piece of paper?” These are simple, logical, rational questions that any child might ask if faced with similar circumstances. Here's an example, you can try this on your own child and see how they react.

Show your child your closed hand and tell him there is a gold coin in your hand. When he/she asks to see it, show them a picture of a gold coin instead. When that doesn't convince them (and it won't), have your spouse also insist the coin is in your hand. When they, again, ask for you to simply open your hand and show it too you, show them another picture of the coin… this time of you holding both it and a copy of today's news paper. Keep doing anything but the most simple thing, that would prove beyond all doubt that the coin is in your hand, and see if you are EVER able to convince your child that there is a gold coin in your hand. You won't be able to, because even a child has enough sense to know that they are being lied too in this situation.

This is exactly the situation with Obama's birth certificate, that they insist they have but refuse to show and thus end all debate instantly. Your child is logical enough to not fall for this song and dance… why are you more gulible than your own child?

The more they are willing to do to avoid simply showing the birth certificate, the more logical and rational people will be convince that said birth certificate either does not exist or would prove that he was not born in Hawaii. There is nothing “crazy” or “conspiratorial” about this, it is simple logic that any child understands… and you can prove that to yourself by trying to convince your child that coin is in your hand in the exact same manner that Obama's supporters are trying to convince you without doing the most simple thing and just showing you a piece of paper they claim to have.

If you tire of your child refusing to believe you about the coin, start calling him “coiner” and insisting that only crazy people don't believe that the coin is in your hand. It's mean, and you probably shouldn't actually do this part, but you would find that it would shut him up. That type of psychological warfare has long been known to be very effective… ask yourself why it is being used on this subject, rather than simply producing the evidence, showing a piece of paper.

A logical and rational person can only conclude, based on the “available evidence”, that Obama's alleged American birth certificate either does not exist or would for some reason not prove that he was born in Hawaii. That is the only logical and rational conclusion that can be reached given the circumstances, as any child can tell you.


martykayzee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Is this a great country or what? We are so into diversity and tolerance that we elect our first foreign born president. It makes me proud to be an American.


JBL55
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Also, the state of Illinois, the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration & Naturalization Services, and (drum roll, please) the Republican Party.

Heckuva conspiracy, Brownie!


JBL55
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Is this a film treatment, or the outline of a novel? Good luck with that!

Honest to goodness: if you really believe this bilge you're spouting, you should seek professional help.


martykayzee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

Silly boy – you are a political gift from heaven for Democrats. The longer you continue this nonsense the further you marginalize yourself. Keep it up…


blmhny
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

martykayzee, you forgot to utilize the word “except” in your reasoning…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:55 am

Actually, it happens to be true. It was revealed today that Obama is getting four times as many death threats as Bush received and I’ve read enough birther web sites to know that the cause of their visceral hatred of the man is much more than any policy issue he has followed. It’s no accident that a recent survey showed that birtherism is far and away most concentrated in the area of the country where racism is still the most prevalent — the deep South.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:57 am

Sabbur, by this comment, as the others I find it clear that you are unlearned about what Life is really about.  Jesus is God, but you do not yet comprehend that.  Well, for the sake of your salvation, let me attempt to enlighten you.  When God gave out those CURSES in the 3rd Chapter of Genesis; He cursed the snake, personally; and when He cursed the woman, He did that personally.  But, when He came to cursing Adam, He stated “CURSED IS THE GROUND”.  Why Sabbur, did He say cursed is the ground?  All of the Creation of the initial week of Creation; it all came from The Ground and because Adam was given the responsibility of that Creation and fail, then that Creation FAILED.  Numbers 23:19 says that God is not man that He should LIE; neither the son of man that He should repent…   If God cannot LIE nor can He change His Mind, then how can The Curse be removed?  God removed That Cursed Word that He Cursed man by in The Garden of Eden
by crucifying That Word that was born of a virgin on the cross at Calvary and rose That Word from its Death that Third Day Morning.  Hebrew 11:6 states “But without Faith it is impossible to please Him (God); for He that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a REWARDER of them that diligently seek Him.  If you don’t get THIS, it really doesn’t affect me because I have done my part in sharing it with you.  When I say to people GOD BLESS YOU, I am wishing them the best of being WELL.  I’d rather people to be well and not damned or whatever choice of this word that you want to use.  THIS WILL BE MY LAST ADDRESS TO YOUR COMMENTS; it is amusing to see how sarcastically intelligent that you think you are.  John 1:1, 14 tells you that Jesus is The Word of GOD that became flesh.  GOD Bless You.               

Ira L. Lewis


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

>”The more they are willing to do to avoid simply showing the birth certificate, the more logical and rational people will be convince that said birth certificate either does not exist or would prove that he was not born in Hawaii. There is nothing “crazy” or “conspiratorial” about this, it is simple logic that any child understands… “

Exactly so, and also exactly why the “birther” phenomenon has now become a full-blown “Movement”.

It's why I got on board after at first dismissing the claims as so much griping about a lost election.

See, when I looked at the facts, the facts don't add up. Obumble's hiding something, and the vitriol and hate being spewed by his defenders will do more to grow the movement than otherwise.

I hear some of the elitist True Believers calling the birthers “dangerous”.

Dangerous? Free Speech is now “dangerous” in America?

Such is the anti-freedom hate that fills the Obamaites.


markclar
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Yes, but why NOT show it? What could be so embarassing ?


martykayzee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

You can't see his birth certificate – yeah, yeah, yeah…


martykayzee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Sorry, you can't see his birth certificate. Would you like to see my butt instead?


Cass2Durbin
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Wow, the Shau and pharmacuticles! Where do I get me some of those? Um, FYI: Its the “Shah” and “pharmaceuticles”. Theres a little thing called spell check. Handy, especially if you're trying to make yourself appear smarter than you actually are.

What you said IS open to interpretation, therefore, I'm going to tear it a new orafice. You also speak of blindly following the government, yet you clearly state in the second line of your poorly thought-out rant that we can obtain “the facts” “from any Govt. institution”. Now, that is just every so slightly contradictory right there. You accuse people of blindly following, and you blatently state, that the government is going to provide me factual information via any one of its many institutions? Hmm, that sounds a bit like blindly following or believing to me!

What has Iran ever done to us? Here's some advice: Do a web search! The hostage crisis of the Carter administration comes to mind. How about the many human rights violations that occur regularly there? Oh, and didn't I just hear something about 3 missing hikers being detained by the Iranian government? You must not get out much, with all of the inconsistancies in your poorly-stated point.

I'll tell you what makes YOU un-American, is the fact that I, and many others have opinions which differ from yours, and you are trying to tell ME that I'm wrong. Well, my friend, THAT is un-American. This country was founded by great visionaries who saw a chance to found a great society for all to have freedoms and differing notions, opinions and beliefs. Now here you are, telling me that I'm UN-AMERICAN because I don't see eye to eye with you. The only reason I've picked this thing apart is because you are a hypocrite and a coward. That is just shameful! Why should/would/could I respect your views if you don't respect mine?


markclar
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

I find it hard to believe the only credible reason is that he refuses just to annoy his political enemies?


LEE
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

……. CONGRESS UNCOVERS INFORMATION REGARDING ISRAELI INVOLVEMENT WITH

THE CONTROLLED DEMOLITION OF

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ON 911


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:08 am

Well, the “Parents” in this case are the State of Hawaii, not Obama or his supporters. And yes, a state can and does seal documents even when it is not in the best interests of the citizen. For example, as stated above, I can’t see my birth records as they are sealed due to my adoption. I’m the child in these proceedings and the state won’t show me the records.

The “child” in this case are two different Federal Judges, both of whom have seen the records and dismissed the cases against Obama.

So, your analogy breaks down real fast. Try another one.


markclar
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

The search for universal truth is limitless in energy. That is why so many questions on this issue.


markclar
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

The search for universal truth is limitless in energy. That is why so many questions on this issue.


JBL55
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Where's the birth certificate? On file in Honolulu, Hawai'i, just as my original birth certificate is on file in Montclair, New Jersey, and yours is in the records of whatever town you were born in.

When I got my passport, I provided a certified copy of my birth certificate as proof of citizenship, because the town clerk in Montclair would not have mailed me the original.

President Obama couldn't show you his original birth certificate even if he wanted to, any more than I can show you my birth certificate. He has, however, shown the world a certified copy, which is all any reasonable person would need to see in order to acknowledge he is a natural-born citizen of the United States.

The only frothing and flinging here is being done by people convinced that this incompetent government of ours has managed to pull off one of the greatest conspiracies of all time, one involving the states of Hawai'i and Illinois, the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration & Naturalization Services, the Supreme Court … and oh yes, the Republican Party. After all, who else would have more incentive or more connections to pull out all the stops in an effort to disprove President Obama's citizenship?

But go ahead. Take comfort in the lies being fed to you if it makes you happy, you poor pathetic deluded True Believer. they are all you have, as you certainly have no empirical data to support your dearly held dogma.

After all, as Stephen Colbert observed, reality has a well-known liberal bias.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Hey, it could be. He IS the smartest black man on the planet, after all. He's probably just waiting for the 2010 elections, then he'll whip it out to prove all his detractors not only wrong, but crazy as well. ::)


martykayzee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

…please clarify – “except” what…?

—– Original Message —–
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'Kenyan Birth Certificate'?
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:55:15 -0000

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martykayzee, you forgot to utilize the word “except” in your
reasoning…

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Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

…please clarify – “except” what…?

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'Kenyan Birth Certificate'?
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:55:15 -0000

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martykayzee, you forgot to utilize the word “except” in your
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Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

…please clarify – “except” what…?

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'Kenyan Birth Certificate'?
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:55:15 -0000

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…please clarify – “except” what…?

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akryan
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

There were some moonbat birthers whining about McCain being born in the PCZ, but the party leadership told them to STFU because they were making the party look silly and petty. You guys need the same thing fom your leadership.

I believe you're sincere about his NBC status (or that it's any more racist than some attacks on Palin and Clinton were sexist) but even if you don't believe any of the documentation he's shown and the FBI didn't vet him, consider some common sense stuff. Why would his parents fly across the world to a third world nation (not cheap) when she was nine months pregnant? Why would they be in Mombasa (if you believe Ms. Taintz), 1000 miles from his father's home village? Why would he have gone through his entire life without telling anyone he was born in Kenya; unless you believe everyone he told is staying quiet and always have?

Concentrate on his policies. I know you have some serious issues, both practically and idealogically, that do merit well-articulated (not that us moonbats are above ranting) public discussion. It'd be better for your movement and for the country.


JBL55
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

What evidence do you have to support your ridiculous contention that one thin dime has been spent by anyone to hide anything?

Go ahead. One verifiable citation will do nicely.


JBL55
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

What evidence do you have to support your ridiculous contention that one thin dime has been spent by anyone to hide anything?

Go ahead. One verifiable citation will do nicely.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:16 am

So what you’re saying is forty years ago, an 18 year old girl flew to Kenya, gave birth to a child, the midwife , mother and child flew back to Hawaii, the midwife (a kenyan most likely) swore she was there at the birth of the child and the mother and midwife swore the birth took place inside Hawaii and the official did not look into the nationality of the midwife all of this instead of the mother staying in Hawaii and giving birth to the child in a hospital and all of this so the child could have US citizenship (eventually). So the more complicated and convoluted and unlikely story is the true one is what you’re saying?

Course, we could slightly uncomplicate it by finding a midwife in Hawaii who for a few bucks would lie and say she was there and the birth took place in Hawaii, but that isn’t uncomplicating things by much.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Why should OBama give a hoot about the 2010 elections?


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Or maybe he already released his birth certificate, as issued by the State of Hawaii, and you are all just deranged birthers who will never accept reality….


JBL55
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

The only vitriole and hate I see is coming from those who refuse to accept the simple fact that President Obama has already shown the world a certified copy of his birth certificate.

Are you saying you won't believe it until he flies you to Honolulu, walks you into the records office, and asks the clerk to show it to you personally?

Sheesh. What some people won't do for a free trip to Hawai'i.


JBL55
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

The only vitriole and hate I see is coming from those who refuse to accept the simple fact that President Obama has already shown the world a certified copy of his birth certificate.

Are you saying you won't believe it until he flies you to Honolulu, walks you into the records office, and asks the clerk to show it to you personally?

Sheesh. What some people won't do for a free trip to Hawai'i.


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

>”But go ahead. Take comfort in the lies being fed to you if it makes you happy, you poor pathetic deluded True Believer. they are all you have, as you certainly have no empirical data to support your dearly held dogma.”

Sorry. It is YOU who is the True Believer here since it is you who is doing the believing of faith alone.

Obama has NOT released his original birth certificate. This is established and irrefutable fact. What Obumble has shown is a “Certification Of Live Birth” which itself is a document that refers to an original document on file: the long-form birth certificate which Obama has REFUSED to release for public scrutiny.

Now, I could make a personal insult back at you — as ALL of you True Believers have done nothing but hurl insults at anyone asking a simple question, but I don't need to. Your unAmerican hatred of freedom comes through loud and clear.

Why do you hate the Constitution?


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

>”But go ahead. Take comfort in the lies being fed to you if it makes you happy, you poor pathetic deluded True Believer. they are all you have, as you certainly have no empirical data to support your dearly held dogma.”

Sorry. It is YOU who is the True Believer here since it is you who is doing the believing of faith alone.

Obama has NOT released his original birth certificate. This is established and irrefutable fact. What Obumble has shown is a “Certification Of Live Birth” which itself is a document that refers to an original document on file: the long-form birth certificate which Obama has REFUSED to release for public scrutiny.

Now, I could make a personal insult back at you — as ALL of you True Believers have done nothing but hurl insults at anyone asking a simple question, but I don't need to. Your unAmerican hatred of freedom comes through loud and clear.

Why do you hate the Constitution?


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

>”But go ahead. Take comfort in the lies being fed to you if it makes you happy, you poor pathetic deluded True Believer. they are all you have, as you certainly have no empirical data to support your dearly held dogma.”

Sorry. It is YOU who is the True Believer here since it is you who is doing the believing of faith alone.

Obama has NOT released his original birth certificate. This is established and irrefutable fact. What Obumble has shown is a “Certification Of Live Birth” which itself is a document that refers to an original document on file: the long-form birth certificate which Obama has REFUSED to release for public scrutiny.

Now, I could make a personal insult back at you — as ALL of you True Believers have done nothing but hurl insults at anyone asking a simple question, but I don't need to. Your unAmerican hatred of freedom comes through loud and clear.

Why do you hate the Constitution?


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

>”But go ahead. Take comfort in the lies being fed to you if it makes you happy, you poor pathetic deluded True Believer. they are all you have, as you certainly have no empirical data to support your dearly held dogma.”

Sorry. It is YOU who is the True Believer here since it is you who is doing the believing of faith alone.

Obama has NOT released his original birth certificate. This is established and irrefutable fact. What Obumble has shown is a “Certification Of Live Birth” which itself is a document that refers to an original document on file: the long-form birth certificate which Obama has REFUSED to release for public scrutiny.

Now, I could make a personal insult back at you — as ALL of you True Believers have done nothing but hurl insults at anyone asking a simple question, but I don't need to. Your unAmerican hatred of freedom comes through loud and clear.

Why do you hate the Constitution?


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

>”But go ahead. Take comfort in the lies being fed to you if it makes you happy, you poor pathetic deluded True Believer. they are all you have, as you certainly have no empirical data to support your dearly held dogma.”

Sorry. It is YOU who is the True Believer here since it is you who is doing the believing of faith alone.

Obama has NOT released his original birth certificate. This is established and irrefutable fact. What Obumble has shown is a “Certification Of Live Birth” which itself is a document that refers to an original document on file: the long-form birth certificate which Obama has REFUSED to release for public scrutiny.

Now, I could make a personal insult back at you — as ALL of you True Believers have done nothing but hurl insults at anyone asking a simple question, but I don't need to. Your unAmerican hatred of freedom comes through loud and clear.

Why do you hate the Constitution?


ray11mo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

if you people who support this president and this congress and say you are working for the success of America are either too stupid are just the ones who are recieving money from the government and want more


ray11mo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

if you people who support this president and this congress and say you are working for the success of America are either too stupid are just the ones who are recieving money from the government and want more


ray11mo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

if you people who support this president and this congress and say you are working for the success of America are either too stupid are just the ones who are recieving money from the government and want more


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:22 am

What is the source for your claim that “Obama is getting four times as many death threats as Bush received”? And how significant would 8 death threats versus 2 actually be?

By the way, I have read several “birther” websites, and I have had NO reason to think they are motivated by racism. AT ALL. Perhaps you seek out and read only those “birther” websites which seem to you to verify your view of birthers as racist.

Also, I have never said that there is absolutely no racism in the U.S.; and I have never said that the deep South is a bastion of egalitarianism. However, the correlation you mention is NOT proof that the cause of “birtherism” in the deep South is racism – perhaps those in the deep South are simply more independent-minded than most, and the least likely to listen to liberal news media, resulting in their being the least brain-washed.

Perhaps I can counter your claim with the observation that many blacks are CLEARLY racist, hating whites, and that many in the liberal media are Obama-worshipers, and that this explains why so many reject the claims of “birthers”. But I wouldn’t even try to do so, because, though those observations are true, they are not sufficient to proof a causal relationship, just like your “observations”, though possibly true, would not be.


Thedes
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

His birth certificate has been posted online, shown to members of Congress (including both parties), and verified by Hawaiian state officials. The long form that so many birthers are demanding isn't available for public viewing but it has been seen and verified by Hawaiian officials. They stated that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. The birthers just can't stand the idea of a man of color being our president. Their motto is “If it ain't white, it ain't right”.


Thedes
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

His birth certificate has been posted online, shown to members of Congress (including both parties), and verified by Hawaiian state officials. The long form that so many birthers are demanding isn't available for public viewing but it has been seen and verified by Hawaiian officials. They stated that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. The birthers just can't stand the idea of a man of color being our president. Their motto is “If it ain't white, it ain't right”.


JBL55
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

He CAN'T release his original birth certificate, any more than YOU can.

And, if you did even the slightest bit of research, you'd know that the “Certificate of Live Birth” is what Hawai'i uses when issueing certified copies.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090…

Why do you hate reason and logic?


Yrcrazee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Replace “Obama's birth certificate” (or “coin” in your lame analogy) with “God” and you've just made a great argument for atheism.

And you compare yourself to a whiny child who won't listen to his parents. How appropriate…

Seriously, do you really think that when going to obtain a loan for a car, the financiers would refuse your bank statement as evidence, and demand that you withdraw all your money in cash and carry it in in a wheelbarrow?

We have official documents recording the existence of something else for a reason, so you don't have to be encumbered with the security risk of carrying around the original.

You're a racist, plain and simple. Everyone knows it.


Yrcrazee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

Why do you hate your brain?


martykayzee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Not simply annoy – rather to divide and conquer.

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I find it hard to believe the only credible reason is that he
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Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

>”Are you saying you won't believe it until he flies you to Honolulu, walks you into the records office, and asks the clerk to show it to you personally?”

He can give his permission for Hawaii to release a copy to the media. Period. It would cost him $5 and a two minute phone call.

But he refuses.

Why? Why do you think he's hiding his birth records, his school records, his medical records, his passport records, his adoption records, etc … ?

What is he hiding? Obviously he's hiding something?

Why are you afraid of the Truth?


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Collins won't bother responding to the points you raise, as they show his/her argument to be idiotic. Just like all the birthers, he/she will ignore it and ask why you hate the Constitution, or why you are so incurious about Obama's super-secret identity, or some other detour into crazyland. Relevant facts? Who cares?


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Collins won't bother responding to the points you raise, as they show his/her argument to be idiotic. Just like all the birthers, he/she will ignore it and ask why you hate the Constitution, or why you are so incurious about Obama's super-secret identity, or some other detour into crazyland. Relevant facts? Who cares?


Yrcrazee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Pharmaceuticals. Spell check is handy, especially if you're trying to make yourself appear smarter than you really are.


martykayzee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Could you really care less? How much less could you care? Or do you mean that you could NOT care less? Next time consult an English teacher before you comment.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

He can give his permission for Hawaii to release a copy to the media.

He already released one himself. Oh, you want the State of Hawaii to break their own rules and procedures, get his original out of the archives and photocopy it? Why? You will just declare it a forgery anyway.

Why?

Because there is no reason for him to do so.

Why do you think he's hiding his birth records,

He's not. He released them.

his school records, his medical records, his passport records,

Why should he release those?

his adoption records, etc … ?

He wasn't adopted.

What is he hiding? Obviously he's hiding something?

That's only obvious to crazy ass birthers.

Why are you afraid of the Truth?

We already have the truth. Barack Obama, United States citizen born in Honolulu, is President of the United States. You are a crazy ass birther. That's the truth.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

He can give his permission for Hawaii to release a copy to the media.

He already released one himself. Oh, you want the State of Hawaii to break their own rules and procedures, get his original out of the archives and photocopy it? Why? You will just declare it a forgery anyway.

Why?

Because there is no reason for him to do so.

Why do you think he's hiding his birth records,

He's not. He released them.

his school records, his medical records, his passport records,

Why should he release those?

his adoption records, etc … ?

He wasn't adopted.

What is he hiding? Obviously he's hiding something?

That's only obvious to crazy ass birthers.

Why are you afraid of the Truth?

We already have the truth. Barack Obama, United States citizen born in Honolulu, is President of the United States. You are a crazy ass birther. That's the truth.


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

marklang keeps sating any child knows … so I asked a child . She says people should try to be nice to marklang – he's crazy , not bad .


Atlas_Collins
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

So, Thedes, you “believe” based only upon hearsay evidence and a purported document that refers to an original document that may or may not exist?

I'll bet you are sought after for jury service, aren't you?

And please put your race card away. It doesn't work anymore. That Barry's father was a no-account Kenyan schmuck who abandoned Barry's mom shortly after he was born, like so many black seem to do to their children, has nothing to do with Barry's hiding of nearly all of his relevant life documents.


Pablo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

“He can give his permission for Hawaii to release a copy to the media. Period. It would cost him $5 and a two minute phone call.”

Wrong. Hawaiian law states that a BC can only be released to someone with a direct and tangible interest in it. That leaves his immediate family. He can't give the Hawaii department of Health permission to break Hawaiian law. So, unless you're Sasha or Malia, you ain't getting diddly from Hawaii, no matter what he says.


Yrcrazee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

There are some effective drugs to treat schizophrenia today. Please talk to your psychiatrist.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Looks like someone has a problem with “black men,” doesn't it.

What. A. Surprise.


Yrcrazee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

The cleaners called, your robes are bleached and ready, just in time for the ceremony, and they added extra starch to your hood, just like you asked.


arowland
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

The entire “birther” movement is absurd. It is Bill Clinton redux. Republicans tossing mud at a wall, and hoping idiots will believe some of it. We had this same garbage for the entire 8 years of the Clinton Administration, and that is because these “birther” people are not reasonable, thinking, sane individuals. So it is crazy on our part to treat them as sane, thinking, reasonable individuals. As with Bill Clinton, when the “birther” movement fizzles out, they'll be on to their next imaginary scandal because the right wing in this country has alot of money behind the people that originally push this garbage. What we see here in these forums are the dimwits that march in lock-step with blind party loyalty, without ever bothering to think, and consider things for themselves. Heavens no, that takes effort. The entire “birther” movement sinks to the depths of the gutter it belongs in based on one simple fact. Not one other thing matters. Not the document, not the Hawaiian Governor, not the attempted forgeries, not what Lou Dobbs, or Michael Savage say. It sinks based on the fact that the two newspapers of record in Hawaii have the birth announcement for Barack Hussein Obama on microfiche from 1961. You simply cannot get beyond that without getting into either 1) Time travel or 2) The greatest conspiracy ever hatched married to the wildest luck in the universe by placing a false birth announcement 48 years ago in Hawaii just on the small hope that perhaps Barack Obama might get elected as President 48 years later. You “birthers” are comically ridiculous, and all you are doing is ruining the chances of the Republicans holding an office higher than dog catcher in Fargo, ND in your lifetimes.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

He has shown the certificate, as issued by the State of Hawaii. It's the only kind they issue. Deal with it.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Furthermore, those rules are for certificates that the state actually issues (the COLB), not for photocopies of original documents that are archived. There are no rules for the proper release of those documents, because they don't release them.


Yrcrazee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

Why are you afraid of black men?


zeeba
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

I can think of two legitimate reasons why Obama would not direct the state of Hawaii to produce his original birth certificate:

1) Catering to the demands of lunatics never makes you look good in the end and only encourages them to demand something else

2) The birther moverment is one of the better things that's happened to the Democratic party in recent years, since it makes the whole right wing look nuts. So he's content to let them go on making fools of themselves.


michael4158
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Ok, Marty… Since when is a blog an English Class – let's discuss the subject and not the grammar… I think my comment speaks to the real issue… Who gives a rip if it is similar to Australia, Japan or England… Logically, does that prove it is NOT from Kenya? (take a logic class) The key point here… is it truly from Kenya – is it the same as the Kenyan Birth Registrations at that time? Pretty simple… if so, then “maybe” there is something there… If not, then case closed… Yes? (hopefully proper english)


dexterous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Of course, when the fake bush docs came out, the “source” was tracked down and labeled a kook, but the theory was that Rove actually put them in his hand to ultimately shut up the critics of bush's pathetic military record.

So, isn't it possible that Obama's handlers have put this in the crazy lady's hands just to make the birthers look like fools? Gee, maybe there is more to the story….

Just for fun.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Mid-term elections are always a referendum on the President.

That is why Obama cares about the 2010 elections.

That is why he is pushing hard to get healthcare reform passed this year, so that Democrats can have some further success to campaign on.

The economy will be in better shape, the stimulus will continue to take effect, and Americans will see that their black (gasp!) President managed to make good on his pledge to bring real change.

Nowhere in any of this does Obama need to acknowledge the birthers himself.

I learned a long time ago that when you are at oral argument before a judge, and opposing counsel is saying ridiculous nonsense, there's no need to interrupt him in the process.

I once had a lawyer ramble on for 10 minutes while the Judge actually looked at and picked at something on the bottom of his shoe! When the lawyer finished talking, the Judge asked me if I had anything to add. I said “my position is set forth in my papers, Your Honor. I agree with Your Honor's tentative ruling in my client's favor.” I won the motion, needless to say.

Just like Obama is kicking his political opponents in the ass by using the birthers to discredit the conservatives and Republicans in general. They are the conservative movement's worst enemy.

“Conservatives see that hazard.

The conservative talk show host Michael Medved recently referred to the movement's leaders as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters” who are “the worst enemy of the conservative movement.”

“It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company,” he mourned.

One of the lead anti-Obama lawyers, Orly Taitz, a California dentist with a degree from an online law school, promptly threatened to sue Medved for defamation.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19450…


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stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Okay, I *actually* laughed out loud.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

Mantis…its very simple.

The short-form Certificat of Live Birth, or COLB, that he released can be obtained by people who were born outside of the state of Hawaii or even outside of the country. (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_…)

The above is called a source. I know it isn't as flashy as throwing about pejoratives but what the hell.

Besides, the issue is first and foremost about Obama's honesty. He claimed that he would be the most transparent administration yet he coneals more of his vital info than any previous president. And instead of wondering about the hypocrisy you drink the cool aid and put on the blinders.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

The short-form Certificat of Live Birth, or COLB, that he released can be obtained by people who were born outside of the state of Hawaii or even outside of the country.

Yeah, and it has their place of birth right on it. Obama was born in Honolulu. Crazy ass birther.

The above is called a source. I know it isn't as flashy as throwing about pejoratives but what the hell.

The source of your insanity is the only source you should be worrying about.

Besides, the issue is first and foremost about Obama's honesty.

Yeah right.

He claimed that he would be the most transparent administration yet he coneals more of his vital info than any previous president.

Prove it.

And instead of wondering about the hypocrisy you drink the cool aid and put on the blinders.

By not believing he is a Kenyan/Indonesian/Communist/Fascist/Space Alien usurper? Yeah, I'm the one drinking the kool-aid.


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Again, so you are saying that the Republican Governor and the likes of Alito, Thomas, Roberts and Scalia are all in collusion with the “Obama people?”

The Roberts Supreme Court refused without comment to even hear a “birther” case back in December! The Republican Governor of Hawaii verified it's legitimacy!

BTW, in the W case, yes it is far easier to reproduce and pass of unoffical, non certified documents, which was the case with W's sad Military record…


Mikelow
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

I'm sick of this story for the very reason that even if Obama really was born in Kenya, it doesn't matter. The Constitution does not state that you have to be born on American soil. It just states you have to be a natural born citizen. Obama's mother is an American citizen, so Obama is an American citizen. End of story.

Congress has spoken on that issue, there is no Supreme Court case contradicting that interpretation, and I'm not sure they would ever take such a case on the grounds that either (a) it is a political question and therefore non-justiciable or (b) utterly within Congress's purview to decide as Congress has plenary power over alienage. Obama's mother is an American citizen, so Obama is an American citizen, and has been since the moment he was born. End of story.

And even if I'M wrong about all of that, and 7 more birth certificates come out and the long form in Hawaii is taken out of it's CIA vault all showing that Obama was simultaneously born on 12 different planets, dimensions, and times of history and combined his disparate forms into the Anti-christ and therefore must be removed from office, GUESS WHAT?

Biden is now President, because he's the VP. The Administration's agenda continues unabated. End of story.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

This has nothing to do with race. Perhaps you've heard of a little document called the “Constitution”? The people of this country deserve to see proof with their own eyes that thier president is a natural-born citizen and not be asked to blindly trust politicians. All we are asking is to see his long-form birth certificate. In return you call us racists. It is obvious you are the ignorant bigot in this discussion.

Further, in Fukino's 1st statement she said she had verified that a long-form birth certificate is on file but didn't say was information was on it. In her 2nd statement she said that his “vital records” show that he was born in Hawaii, but never used the word birth certificate or long-form birth certificate. This leaves open the possiblity that a long-form exists that contradicts the information on the short form. Given the fact that people born outside of Hawaii can get a Certificate of Life Birth (aka Short form) it seems only logical for there to be questions.

Drink…drink deep from the cool aid of naivety.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

This has nothing to do with race. Perhaps you've heard of a little document called the “Constitution”? The people of this country deserve to see proof with their own eyes that thier president is a natural-born citizen and not be asked to blindly trust politicians. All we are asking is to see his long-form birth certificate. In return you call us racists. It is obvious you are the ignorant bigot in this discussion.

Further, in Fukino's 1st statement she said she had verified that a long-form birth certificate is on file but didn't say was information was on it. In her 2nd statement she said that his “vital records” show that he was born in Hawaii, but never used the word birth certificate or long-form birth certificate. This leaves open the possiblity that a long-form exists that contradicts the information on the short form. Given the fact that people born outside of Hawaii can get a Certificate of Life Birth (aka Short form) it seems only logical for there to be questions.

Drink…drink deep from the cool aid of naivety.


GOPShares1Brain
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Excellent point arowland! And what do we have to show for that Clinton Conspiracy B.S. We got a 4/12 year $100M tax payer funded “hunt' for anything by Kenneth Starr…All this man was able to find in 4 1/2 years was a blowjob! No Whitewater, no travelgate, nothing but a BJ! Starr now admits his personal disdain caused him to do something that was truly detrimental to the U.S. and he would not do it again if given the chance!

BTW, the irony of this all is the Reagan Administration had 27 people in the Admin. convicted of crimes during or after his reign…The Clinton Administration? 0…None…Nada…


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Given the fact that people born outside of Hawaii can get a Certificate of Life Birth (aka Short form)

They can't get one that says they were born in Honolulu, idiot.

it seems only logical for there to be questions.

Birthers know nothing about logic.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Wow, you almost make it fun.

I'll try this again..more slowly this time. A Hawaiian COLB, that states you were born in Hawaii, can be obtained by persons born outside of Hawaii or even the US. And again here is the link to the official Hawaii government website that proves it -
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_…

I assume you want me to prove that he has concealed more vital info that any previous president and not that he made the statement concerning transparency since that was on national television (given your level of intellect and logic, however, I need to cover my bases). Here is a list of the documents he will not release:

Obama's kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

Bush, McCain, Kerry and Clinton all provided long-form birth certicates during their campaign and there was even a Congressional hearing for McCain but not Obama.

You are an ignorant tool, or maybe a teenager who thinks he's “enlightened”. I've never claimed Obama was born in Kenya. I've simply claimed he hasn't proven he was born in the US which is obviously true from the above source. Keep listening to MSNBC and keep a close on on Chris Matthews leg for any tingles.


kennytrent
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

one of these days I'll understand why http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcerti… isn't good enough. I know it's his own site, but still. Dead horse (or I guess donkey in this case), stop beating it.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

A Hawaiian COLB, that states you were born in Hawaii, can be obtained by persons born outside of Hawaii or even the US.

You are a liar. It would state where the person was born. Hawaii would not issue a birth certificate stating someone was born in their state if that person was not.

And again here is the link to the official Hawaii government website that proves it -

Really? Where does it state that the State of Hawaii will lie about your birthplace?

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

Bush, McCain, Kerry and Clinton all provided long-form birth certicates

No they didn't. McCain did. That's it. I told you to prove it, by the way.

during their campaign and there was even a Congressional hearing for McCain but not Obama.

There was no congressional hearing, there was a non-binding resolution passed. So what? He was born in Panama. Obama was born in Honolulu.

I've never claimed Obama was born in Kenya.

I never claimed you did.

I've simply claimed he hasn't proven he was born in the US which is obviously true from the above source.

Yes he did. You just can't read and understand what you link to.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

Wow…you still don't get it. The Hawaiian statute in question concerns getting a COLB stating that you were born in Hawaii.

The only thing that has to be done is “the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child”.

In plain english, this means that if his parents declared their home to be Honolulu for the year previous to his birth, outside of Hawaii, they can be issues a Hawaiian COLB stating he was born in Honolulu.

Is it starting to creep through that thick skull? This is the reason why most intrastate agencies don't accept the COLB as proof of Hawaiian birth but require the more definitive long-form.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Some insect I know will soon have a problem with black eyes.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

The Hawaiian statute in question concerns getting a COLB stating that you were born in Hawaii.

No, it doesn't. You are either too stupid to understand what you are reading or you are lying.

The only thing that has to be done is “the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child”.

They still put the actual place of birth on the certificate, moron.

In plain english, this means that if his parents declared their home to be Honolulu for the year previous to his birth, outside of Hawaii, they can be issues a Hawaiian COLB stating he was born in Honolulu.

No, they can't. Go ahead, call up the Hawaii Department of Health and ask them.

This is the reason why most intrastate agencies don't accept the COLB as proof of Hawaiian birth but require the more definitive long-form.

Any agency in our country would accept Obama's COLB from the State of Hawaii. You are a bad liar.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

Is that a threat?


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Let me try to explain since you really do seem to be confused. The Certificate of Live Birth can be obtained for individuals born outside of Hawaii – http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_….

This means if a child is born outside of Hawaii but the parents claim honolulu as their home for the year up unto the birth, they can be issued a COLB stating they were born in Hawaii.

Hawaii has some of the loosest documentation requirements of any state. Even many intra-state agencies won't accept COLB as proof of Hawaiian birth. Instead they require submission of the more accurate long-form.

And it's obvious that your argument lacks substance when all you do is call people racist.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

I'd call it more of an aggressive pun really.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

I just figured since you're willing to believe that the State of Hawaii will knowingly put false information on people's birth certificates, you might believe you can punch people through the internet.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:49 pm

Lies. The State of Hawaii will not lie for you and state you were born in the state when you weren't. Garrett is a liar, and a bad one at that (his link doesn't even support his claim).


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

Wow, you really are thick.

The point of this statute is that if you declare your “loyalties” to Hawaii, even if you might be travelling when your baby is born he can be registered as a live birth IN HAWAII. They didn't have the natural-born citizen clause of the constitution in mind when they made the rule. They just thought it would be fair to confer Hawaiian birth rights on a child born to “Hawaiian” parents who happened to be out of state at the time of the birth. That meets the qualifications of the state of Hawaii, but not the constitutional qualifications.

That is why it's called a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth. Otherwise it would be called a Hawaiian Certificate of out-of-state birth.

If an individual was issues a COLB under this method, his filed long-form certificate would list his true place of birth.

In turn, I ask you to prove your assertion that Hawaii couldn't be listed as the place of birth. I have provided actual government sources, you have provided juvenile jabbering.


scion_of_greed
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

>>BTW, the irony of this all is the Reagan Administration had 27 people in the Admin. convicted of crimes during or after his reign…The Clinton Administration? 0…None…Nada…<<

Another stinkiing LIB LIE of embarrassing proportion. Clinton's first Deputy Atty General, Webster Hubbell, was convicted and incarcerated (after first resigning, naturally). Numerous others would follow him in disgrace. I could readily convey the manifold facts of that case, but an apparent ignoramus such as you should be FORCED to read it for himself You can start by enjoying the link (The A to Z of the Clinton Scandals) I've so helpfully provided. Think nothing of it! :)

http://www.io.com/~cjburke/clinton/clinatoz.html


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

And for more evidence from my side (still none from you):

Robert Klein Engler, who writes at Chronwatch-America.com, said he called the State Department to ask about obtaining a U.S. passport with only a “Certification of Live Birth.” and was flat-out told no.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Until recently when state officials changed their program, the Hawaiian “homelands” program didn't even accept a “Certification of Live Birth” for its qualifications.

Fact.

Also, they didn't change the policy until it was reported that a COLB wasn't good enough.


Jeff
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Yes. List please.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

You are correct, the state of Hawaii will not lie for you. The true hospital of birth will be listed on the long-form birth certificate. Which is why we want to see it.

Here is the truth about the COLB as stated by Jerry Fuller of the passport services division of the U.S. State Department – “There are some documents that say things that aren't true,” Fuller said. “That's not what's supposed to happen.”


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:03 am

zeeba,

I’ve seen Orly Taitz in two “Youtube” videos, and she didn’t come across as a “moonbat” to me. Why is it that you and other Obamanuts try to avoid the issues and instead fling insults and names? Do you really think doing so proves your side is right?

And, no, my explanation for the birth announcements was not “convoluted” at all. But instead of actually EXPLAINING in what way my explanation was “convoluted”, you instead resort to comparing it to a 10-year old’s defense of Santa Claus? How incredibly pathetic. Why don’t you try REFUTING the line of reasoning I used? All you have to do is refute JUST ONE of my points. For example, explain why Hawaii would not have accepted the word of a parent of a child, if they had no obvious reason to doubt their word and no obvious recourse to check it for veracity. Or maybe refute my claim that the newspaper birth announcements could be based on potentially false birth records (the falsity deriving from parental lies).

I predict you will not do so, but will instead resort to calling me “loony” or a “moonbat wannabe”, or something. That would be par for the course for you, and for your deluded brethren and sistren who can see no wrong in Obama.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

The point of this statute is that if you declare your “loyalties” to Hawaii, even if you might be travelling when your baby is born he can be registered as a live birth IN HAWAII.

Wrong. Why do you lie so much? Ahem:

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

The state will not lie for you on the certificate.

The point of this statute is that if you declare your “loyalties” to Hawaii, even if you might be travelling when your baby is born he can be registered as a live birth IN HAWAII. They didn't have the natural-born citizen clause of the constitution in mind when they made the rule. They just thought it would be fair to confer Hawaiian birth rights on a child born to “Hawaiian” parents who happened to be out of state at the time of the birth. That meets the qualifications of the state of Hawaii, but not the constitutional qualifications.

No, the point is for parents to get certificates from the state where they reside, regardless of where the child is born.

If an individual was issues a COLB under this method, his filed long-form certificate would list his true place of birth.

Any COLB issued by the state lists the true place of birth.

In turn, I ask you to prove your assertion that Hawaii couldn't be listed as the place of birth. I have provided actual government sources, you have provided juvenile jabbering.

See above, moron.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

Yes they did, they just hadn't updated the website.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Who cares what nutball birthers claim? I know for a fact that the State Department would accept a Hawaiian COLB.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

No false information on birth-certificate just on the Certficate of Live Birth.

Come on kids..it's really easy to understand if you try.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Nope

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

Liar


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Nope

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

Liar


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

Nope

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

Liar


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

Well we agree on one thing. The point of the COLB statute is for parents to get certificates from the state where they reside, regardless of where the child is born.

Add that to this statement about the notorious short-form COLB made by Jerry Fuller of the passport services division of the U.S. State Department.

Fuller said Certificates of Live Birth should reveal the location of the child's birth accurately, but he confirmed there are cases known where that has not happened.

“There are some documents that say things that aren't true,” Fuller said. “That's not what's supposed to happen.”


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

Why not just release the long-form and prove we are morons?


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Yep.

Jerry Fuller of the passport services division of the U.S. State Department said Certificates of Live Birth should reveal the location of the child's birth accurately, but he confirmed there are cases known where that has not happened.

“There are some documents that say things that aren't true,” Fuller said. “That's not what's supposed to happen.”

Truther


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:15 am

You’re a loony, but not a moonbat wannabe. You’re full-blown. It akes a
pretty sustained act of will to watch that MSNBC interview with Oily and not
conclude the woman has serious mental health issues.

Look, genius, Obama did a lot of travel as a kid and young man. Which means
he needed a passport. Which means he needed an authorized copy of his birth
certificate to obtain one. Which means that either a) the Hawaii birth
certificate used to obtain that U.S. passport when he was a kid and college
student was valid or b) the plot goes back even further than we feared. I’m
sure you’ll choose B.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

Have you researched what is meant by verify in Okubo's above statement? Because the birthers have.

If you were not born in a hospital, the midwife can vouch for you essentially.

Okubo's statement doesn't proclude the possiblity that someone could be born outside of Hawaii and still have a COLB listing Honolulu as place of birth.

Surely someone of your limited logical faculties can see that.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

I love how you take it on faith that the state of Hawaii has never made a mistake when listing place of birth on a COLB.

Although, I guess it makes sense. It's so easily verifiable, what, with it's clear date/time/hospital/physician.

Oh wait, I was thinking of an actual birth certificate.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

Yep.

Jerry Fuller of the passport services division of the U.S. State Department said Certificates of Live Birth should reveal the location of the child's birth accurately, but he confirmed there are cases known where that has not happened.

“There are some documents that say things that aren't true,” Fuller said. “That's not what's supposed to happen.”

Truther


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

Yep.

Jerry Fuller of the passport services division of the U.S. State Department said Certificates of Live Birth should reveal the location of the child's birth accurately, but he confirmed there are cases known where that has not happened.

“There are some documents that say things that aren't true,” Fuller said. “That's not what's supposed to happen.”

Truther


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

LOL. Oh that's cute. Drink deep my friend.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

Nope.

I have documented cases of people trying and being told flat-out no.

Robert Klein Engler, who writes at Chronwatch-America.com, said he called the State Department to ask about obtaining a U.S. passport with only a “Certification of Live Birth.” and was flat-out told no.

Click and read.

or drink and believe.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:29 am

This is a jurisdictional issue and last time I checked, states still have the right to set their own rules about the release of documents in vital statistics. All of these federal court suits will get nowhere. We still have some semblance of states’ rights in this country. And thank God.


Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:32 pm

Mantis. I do believe you are sincere in your faith of the state of Hawaii, no matter how unfounded. But let me present you with a scenario.

If a child was born outside of a hospital and the family contacts the state of Hawaii and tells them that it was born at home and have a individual to back that up they would be issued a COLB. That COLB would state that the person was born in Hawaii.

However, the long form wouldn't list a hospital. Instead it would have a home birth listed and a statement from a witness included.

Now we have an interesting problem. How to prove to a constitutional level that this person is a natural-born citizen?

Another interesting tidbit. Review both of Fukino's statements about the records that Hawaii has. None of those statements rule out the above possiblity. And it the above possiblity, if we are being honest with ourselves, the baby could really have been born anywhere.

Long-form or drink.


Happy Birthday, Mr. President
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Garrett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

Prove it.


Judas Gutenberg
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

This proves nothing! BHO is not human and thus was not born. He is a robot built by the Hollywood Elite in Kenya and programmed to destroy America! Oh, I'm so mad right now I'm slapping my face and jumping up and down like a hefty and mildly-retarded straight man at a Straight Dave cage match!


krazeeinjun
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:46 pm

Like rowland and GOPShares1Brain accurately stated and which you magnificently ignored scion — where are the Clinton convictions? I painfully read through all of that gobbledygook at your pathetic link and I'm still trying to find the convictions? Right-wing GOP inspired/led investigations piled on top of investigations piled on top of more investigations of the Clintons over 8 years. I'll ask you the question again — where are all of the convictions? [crickets chirping]. That's what I thought.


Carol Harris
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

I can't image dragging my or any other 18 year old daughter in labor 8000 miles in labor so that
she could give birth in a third world country like Ken Kenya. The would all speak a language that
she would not understand. The care would be inferior to that found in the USA in 1961.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:57 am

{Double post.}


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:57 am

Okay, I was right about you. Not that I expected I wouldn’t be, but I just like to point out when I’m right.

“Look, genius,…”

By some measures.

“Obama did a lot of travel as a kid and young man.”

Ooooooo. And to think I wondered if he was truly qualified to be President.

“Which means he needed a passport.”

So if I travel from Indiana to Michigan, I need a passport? Or did you mean to say “Obama did a lot of travel TO OTHER COUNTRIES as a kid and young man”? (I’m being facetious – I know what you meant, but was just pointing out how sloppy you were in what you said.)

“Which means he needed an authorized copy of his birth
certificate to obtain one.”

I thought the Obamanuts have been arguing that a mere “Certification of Live Birth” is sufficient to obtain a passport. I am so confused.

“Which means that either a) the Hawaii birth certificate used to obtain that U.S. passport when he was a kid and college
student was valid or b) the plot goes back even further than we feared.”

Or c) he obtained a U.S. passport using a fraudulent (the fraud perhaps perpetrated by his mother in perhaps falsely claiming he was born in Hawaii when he perhaps was born in Kenya) Certification of Live Birth; or d) he traveled using an Indonesian passport as a young man, perhaps never having renounced his Indonesian citizenship before the age of 21.

“I’m sure you’ll choose B.”

Well, you are wrong once again.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:07 am

Usually, a sentence with an “either” requires an “or” somewhere. You should be careful about calling others stupid when you can barely construct a sentence. Also, receiving is spelled “receiving”. Plus, you’ll want to end your sentence with a period, or perhaps an exclamation point to emphasize how much you’re foaming at the mouth.

As to the general point you are trying to make, I am fairly sure that most Obama supporters don’t work for AIG or Goldman Sachs.

Enjoy life!


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:10 am

douglasjbender: The reason Obama can’t “direct” the state of Hawaii to release his original birth record is because the federal government has no jurisdiction over a state in these matters.
If you want to challenge this, then go to Hawaii and sue there. No federal court will touch this case, because it’s not in their jurisdiction. Nor should they, because that would destroy one of the last principles of our system, which is constantly being eroded: states’ rights.


ConservativeManChild
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:14 am

You like talking about people’s dead mothers huh? Yours said that’s not how she raised you, at least that’s what she said when her mouth wasn’t full.

So I’m clear, your theory is that somehow Obama’s parents, with little financial resources, traveled to the other side of the planet to give birth, leaving no surviving witnesses or evidence at all? You understand he’s not releasing the original document because he wants people like you to keep talking about this all the way till the 2012 election? Your making conservatives look like nutcases, and liberals around the world are having a great laugh at your expense.

Oh look at how late it got, time to go poke your mom again, I love her non-traditional behaviors and calculating moves!!! I’m just saying, the burden of proof is on you to prove she’s not sitting in my lap right now.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:16 am

Bob Robertson:

“While it is true that parents of a Hawaiian child born at home can ASSERT that their child was born in Hawaii, the “Certificate of Live Birth” (and this may be unique to Hawaiian law), does NOT give the name of the city of birth.”

I believe you mean the “Certification of Live Birth”, which is not the same thing as the “Certificate of Live Birth”. (Although just within the past week or so Hawaii CHANGED the term, so that now what was once called a “Certification of Live Birth” is now called a “Certificate of Live Birth”; I’m not sure if the old “Certificate of Live Birth” has likewise experienced a name change, or has simply been discarded, or what – in any case, the change is clearly intended to confuse the issue, and stall for time.)

But it has been my understanding that BOTH the “Certification of Live Birth” and the “Certificate of Live Birth” indicate the city of birth or the city of CLAIMED birth. If you can provide a reputable reference which indicates otherwise, I’d like to see it.

“It simply says the child was born in the state. Obama’s COLB gives Honolulu as the city, which indicates that this was fact-checked against the long form (the only existing original and cannot be reproduced) in the files.”

The existing original CAN be reproduced, from what I understand. Even if not (which would be so incredibly foolish even for a government agency that even I cannot believe it), I know FOR A FACT that if that long-form exists, ALL of the information on it CAN be accessed using a “Letter of Verification” request.


Mikelow
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:21 am

Article 2, Section 1:

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. ”

Nothing in there says you must be born on U.S. soil as you claim it does.

And you also did not address the point that, even if you’re right and Obama is ineligible and gets removed, that means Biden takes over and will continue doing the exact same things. So what’s the birther end game?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:33 am

Fail.

Lots of women have had abortions. We have proof of that, and many speak openly about it.

You’re completely pulling this Kenyan birth thing out of your ass.

No one, not even Sarah Obama, says it happened.

Laws in existence at the time would have had to have been broken to accomplish it.

Physical endurance not seen this side of Greg LeMond would have been required to get from Kenya to Hawaii in the days before direct flights (3 day journey at least).

Countless officials would have been bribed, and those officials or their relatives would now be unearthed by Sean Hannity.

No pregnant woman has ever participated in a ridiculous 8,000 mile journey without any apparent motive and against all logic and evidence to the contrary. Not to mention doing so without leaving a trace, or without having been stopped by customs officers who don’t want to allow third-world disease to spread to America and thus do not allow undocumented babies from Africa to breeze through without so much as a scrap of paper.

Other than that, yeah, your post was completely non-ridiculous and a well-thought-out piece of non-claptrap that never made me laugh aloud.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

Ah, so now you're backing down from your false assertion that the State will issue a birth certificate noting the place of birth as in Hawaii even though the person born elsewhere? Without acknowledging you are wrong? I'm shocked.

And now your argument is that sometimes information can be inaccurate? So what? Do you have reason to believe anything on Obama's COLB is inaccurate? No, you do not.


kpmk
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

Garrett,

You're deeply confused. Whatever Jerry Fuller and Robert Klein Engler may have written, the Certificate of Live Birth is exactly what the passport service accepts when they ask for a birth certificate. I know this, because it's what we submitted for my son (born in a military hospital in Honolulu) and my daugher (born in a civilian hospital) submitted in order to get their passports. A Certificate of Live Birth is a birth certificate, and the place designation is for the place of birth, not the residence of the parents. That's why it's called a place of birth, not a residence. This is absolutely clear, and if you work your way through the hawaii.gov website, you'll see all this. There is nothing there about obtaining a certificate of live birth to demonstrate your “loyalty” to Hawaii, and there's no reason why the default option in such a case would be Honolulu, which is a county (like Maui, Kauai and Hawaii), rather than Hawaii, which is the state.

As for the Hawaiian Homelands, you might want to find out what they are, and why a simple birth certificate (long form or short form) would be insufficient for an application.

The fact of the matter is, this is stupid. Obama had his birth certificate on-line last year. It's the copy the State of Hawaii issues to anyone who asks for a copy of their birth certificate. When you ask, you get a copy (not the original) for obvious reasons. Obama's birth certificate shows where and when he was born, and who his parents were. It's the document he would have provided to the U.S. Army if he enlisted, and it's the one his mother submitted to the passport agency to get him a passport before they moved to Indonesia.

None of this matters for the purposes of being a “natural born citizen” because that term doesn't refer to being born in the U.S., just to being a citizen by birth (rather than a naturalized citizen). Thus, George Romney was a natural-born citizen, John McCain was a natural-born citizen (military bases are not American soil), and the children of service-men and -women born in Iraq and Afghanistan are natural-born citizens.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

Right, because the existence of out of date info on websites is only accepted by kool-aid drinkers. Got it.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

Ok. Here you go:

1. PROOF OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP
a. APPLICANTS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES: Submit a previous U.S. passport or certified birth certificate. A birth certificate must include your full name,
the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such
records.

That's what the State Department requires for a passport. Obama's COLB has all that info. Birther FAIL.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:40 am

Man is that convoluted. I prefer to just go with the fact that the United States Congress ruled that he was eligible to be President when they certified the vote of the Electoral College in January. If they would like to undo that decision, they are free to impeach him and remove him from office upon conviction in the Senate. No judge in any jurisdiction has the authority to do anything about that fact, other than the Chief Justice of the United States, who would sit in judgment at any impeachment trial. But since there is absolutely zero chance of an impeachment, we’ll never see that. I will say it again, Obama could come out tomorrow and admit that he’s the illegitimate son of Patrice Lumumba and Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS, and that she gave birth to him in Josef Mengele’s secret Paraguayan hideaway, and there would be nothing to be done about it until 2012.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

I called myself and asked, and they said no problem. Why don't you do the same. And learn to link to something besides the top level of a website. I have no interest in wading through all the birther garbage on that site.


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Mantis. I do believe you are sincere in your faith of the state of Hawaii, no matter how unfounded.

Yeah, real unfounded. An official document provided by the state, backed up by newspaper announcements at the time, and the confirmation of the state health director who has seen the original. On the other hand, we have all the birther evidence. Wait, all the birthers have is lies, forgeries, and stupidity. Tough call.

If you birthers had any reason to doubt the document, other than the fact that you don't like the president, I might be curious. You don't, and all the evidence points towards Obama's Honolulu birth. Occam's razor.


Silverwolf1954
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

the scary part for me is that it looks like my old certificate, including the creases!


pixiepotpie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

“mildly retarded” is an understatement. (and i think you meant caVe match). WAKE UP!!!!!!!


pixiepotpie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

Facts are totally irrelevant if it doesn't comport their Repuglikkan agenda. Sigh.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:48 am

douglasbjender: With all due respect, I have seen Orly Taitz numerous times in videos and print interviews. I think it’s unfortunate that she had a meltdown during the MSNBC interview, and I give her a pass on that one.
But if you look over her conduct in the entire “eligibility” movement — and I won’t insult her with the “birther” tag — she certainly is pretty flaky.

I don’t have the URL site to present here, but there is a very long article in an Orange County weekly, with long comment fields from experts on both sides who have researched this topic, plus comments from people who know her personally. It took me an entire evening to read. You can Google it.

Orly Taitz immigrated from Israel in the 1980s, and has been practicing as a dentist in Orange County, CA. I don’t where she got her dental training, but I assume it was a legitimate school in Israel. Prior to that she was born and raised in Russia, and like many anti-communist immigrants, she has a deep distrust of socialism, which is understandable. But her recent activity is borderline paranoid. She also has a law degree from an online diploma mill, and she has never won a case, and she’s also a real estate agent? Isn’t that enough careers for one person?
She enlisted Alan Keyes in this fight, and while I think he’s brilliant, he certainly is not mainstream, and is a perennial loser because it’s either his way or the highway. That’s not how you win battles or persuade in a democracy.

Orly is a one woman propagandist who has been known to leave her kids behind and drive to Seattle with her pamphlets, just to try to harrass Chief Justice Roberts in a speech he gave in the state of Washington.
She constantly gets tripped up on the truth and can’t handle herself well in interviews. She may be a leader in the movement, but she’s got some personal emotional issues as well as credibility issues.
The latest Kenya forgery may be her downfall. It has been soundly proven a hoax (she herself said she got it “from an anonymous source”), and while I think this topic is all BS, she’s an embarrassment to the serious researchers like yourself who –while I think you’re wrong –are at least trying to do some reasonable, serious intellectual inquiry.
Orly Taitz by contrast is a loose cannon. The longer she keeps up this paranoid nonsense, the more your movement loses credibility.

Just beware. And read that story in that Orange County paper if you can find it. It’s an eye-opener.


pixiepotpie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

Umm… I think I just woke up. as emily potella would say, “nevermind.” LOLOL.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:49 am

“Little financial resources”? Obama’s father was one of a very few Kenyans who received support to STUDY ABROAD, he in Hawaii. Obama’s father was being groomed to be an economist, and had connections in Kenyan government. And Obama’s mother’s parents were quite well off. (Oh, and by the way, it’s not only his original long-form Birth Certificate that Obama refuses to release – there’s about a page of other relevant information that he conveniently keeps hidden from view, such as practically all of his college and Senate records.)

And as far as Obama’s mother is concerned – what I stated about her is a matter of record, and based on her own testimony and that of her friends, along with her own actions. Note as well that I never said she was a tramp, or anything of the sort.

But I suppose you’re right – I can’t prove that my mother is not sitting on your lap right now. If she is, though, then that would make you a necrophile.


swimologist
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

Of course, you're ignorant about citizenship rules. If you were born outside the U.S. before 1986,
you have to have TWO parents of U.S. citizenship to be a citizen. So Obama's mother isn't enough. That's why McCain IS a citizen.


drdee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

Ever heard of Chester Arthur? Oh yeah, he was James Garfield's VP and became president after Garfield died of a gunshot wound. Seems like his father was born in Ireland and settled in Canada for a while with his Vermont borne wife. There was speculation that Arthur was not born in Vermont, but Canada. He served a full term.

As far as I know I was born in the US, but I have a “certification of live birth” which has always been accepted as my birth certificate. Now when transacting any business that requires an official “birth certificate”, I get from the Bureau of Vital Records a computer generated print out similar to that produced by Obama with a raised seal.

It really calls upon one to suspend reality to believe that Stanley Ann Dunham gave birth anywhere else in the world than Hawaii. By all accounts, she was at least on civil terms with her parents, they had accepted her marriage to an African and accepted her pregnancy. Why travel half way around the world to give birth? Madalyn Dunham appears to have been a practical women: I doubt she would have allowed her only child–daughter–to travel to some village to give birth. And to what purpose? American citizenship–more then than even now–was gold, affording you protection wherever you traveled. Additionally, air travel in the '60s was not as convenient as it is now; there were no direct flights from Nairobi (or Mombasa) to New York or LA. To make such a trip from Africa with a newborn would have been long, arduous and unnecessary.


milesw
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

“they can be issues a Hawaiian COLB stating he was born in Honolulu.”

Sorry, it doesn't say that. It says:

(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

They shall issue a certificate. No mention of where it will say the child was born. You're kinda putting words in the mouths of the Hawaiian people to the amount of “we will willfully lie to everyone.”

So, if you find a Hawaiian law about how they determine where the child was born, feel free to submit that. All this talks about is the cert not what the cert SAYS.

And for the record, I was born in the state of Texas. If I ever ran for Pres (not likely), I couldn't prove I was born in Texas. I could only prove I was adopted in Texas on 8 August 19XX. All records regarding my birth and adoption (except for the registration of live birth and adoption by my parents) is sealed . . . even (and especially) from me. Nevermind the American people and their “right to know.” I get this reliably from many Texas Bar registered lawyers and State and Federal Judges practicing in the state of Texas. I'll give you three guesses what my step-father did for decades. The first two don't count.

And for what its worth, we're a Republic who does not directly elect our president. The founding fathers didn't trust the “masses.” So about that “right” of the American people to make up their own minds by seeing for themselves. . . not really supported by what the founding fathers wrote about their ideas on the Constitution.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:01 am

No birther besides Orly Taitz is claiming that Obama’s mother posted those birth announcements, you mean?

Because Orly Taitz clearly said that she did. She said that to David Shuster yesterday on MSNBC. Where the hell have you been?

She accused Obama’s mom of posting those birth announcements because Obama’s mom wanted to avoid going through immigration and paying immigration fees, and to help her get on welfare.

No word from Orly about how any of this would have worked, let alone any proof that Obama’s mom was actually on welfare.

But before you get indignant, you’d better check with your movement’s Queen Bee.


mantis
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:05 am

If you were born outside the U.S. before 1986, you have to have TWO parents of U.S. citizenship to be a citizen.

Wrong. Stop believing what birther websites tell you.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Some may claim that Obama doesn't qualify because his mother had not lived for 5 years after the age of fourteen, but that is a technicality based on the fact that she was not alive for five years between turning fourteen and her son's birth (she gave birth at age eighteen), and she wouldn't be held to that requirement. This only matters for people born outside the U.S., however, and since Obama was born in Hawaii, it's a moot point.


delver
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:13 am

That seal at the top of the purported BC doesn't look like that of either Australia or the State of South Australia. The right-wing sites are saying *this* is fake.


3x3
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:26 am

These idiots even copied the creases?? ROFLMAO


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Nice lie. PROVE your claim “but that is a technicality based on the fact that she was not alive for five years between turning fourteen and her son's birth…AND SHE WOULDN'T BE HELD TO THAT REQUIREMENT”.

Obama has NOT YET PROVEN that he was born in Hawaii, because the only evidence he has provided has been likely forged documents which, even if not forged, could have been given to infants who were not born in Hawaii. At the time of his birth, Hawaii allowed the parents of children not born in hospitals to simply ASSERT where and when the child was born, and if there was no possibility of verifying the claim was evident, a “Certification of Live Birth”, or a “Certificate of Live Birth” minus pertinent information on that form, was granted. Thus, a parent could simply LIE about the place and time of the birth of their child, and a “Certification of Live Birth” (or equivalent) would be granted; this would also result in birth announcements in the newspapers, so those don't prove anything either.


commieatheist
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Well, if right-wing sites are saying it, it must be true!


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Oh, bullwinkle. Very, very few of those seeking for Obama to release his original long-form birth certificate are “lunatics”, and seeking for him to release his original long-form birth certificate is far from “nutty” or “foolish”. Good grief, you liberals are incredibly blind and trusting. One would think you would argue that a legitimate reason Obama doesn't release any of the relevant records from his past is simply because he doesn't want people to realize he's a god.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:34 am

mantis,

“Ah, so now you're backing down from your false assertion that the State will issue a birth certificate noting the place of birth as in Hawaii even though the person born elsewhere?”

No, he wasn't. Can't you read?


Garrett
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:35 am

kpmk,

First, whether Robert Klein Engler was refused a passport with these credentials is not up for public vote. It is a fact.

Second, I'm not contending that Honolulu is the default option. I was using Honolulu as an example since that is where Obama's COLB lists as place of birth. The point is this. If you lived in Hawaii but had a child outside of the country you could obtain a Hawaiian COLB saying you were born in Hawaii. This is the scenario:

A child is born outside of Hawaii and the parents return and request a COLB listing a home birth. All they needed according to Hawaiian law in 1961 was their own word and the word of a midwife or other witness. That's it…the word of 3 individuals would allow you to get a Hawaiian COLB listing Honolulu (used as an example in this instance due to the fact that Obama's COLB lists Honolulu) as your place of birth. However, the long-form vault copy would not list a hospital or physician. Rather it would be listed as a home birth with the statements of both parents and the witness included. Disprove this with applicable 1961 Hawaiian law if you think you can.

Your statement on the Hawaiian Homelands is strange considering they accepted long-form birth certificates prior to 2 months ago and now accept short-form. Note: They added the short-form as acceptable verification after a news artcle was released noting that the short-form wasn't even sufficient for Hawaiian Homelands.

You assertion about the online birth certificate is again half truths. He has posted a COLB which I have shown above has shortcomings.

As far as Indonesia, it is ineteresting you brought it up since Indonesia was on the no-fly list for US citizens at the time Obama travelled there. Anyone using an American passport would not be allowed to travel there.

Your comparison between McCain and Romney's situation and Obama's is disengenious. Both of McCain and Romney's parents were american citizens. Obama's father was a Kenyan citizen therefore the requirements for “natural born citizen” are more difficult for Obama. He had to be born on US soil.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:36 am

That's the one of the most racist and ignorant things I've ever read. And I'm referring to your opinion about “birthers”, not the motto you (falsely) claim is theirs.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:39 am

douglasjbender: Obama has sealed his records? That’s news to me. He won’t release his transcripts, because he doesn’t have to and it would prove nothing about his citizenship.

My brother lives in Hawaii, and there’s a great pidgin’ expression, there, “Got beef?”

You don’t like how Linda Lingle is a Republican governor in an overwhelmingly Democratic state, and she also vouches for the birth certificate? Then go to Hawaii and sue the state, because the federal government, and even Obama himself, has no jurisdiction over Hawaii vital records. That’s why Orly Taitz and crew will lose every time, as they already have, 43 times, in federal courts.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:40 am

That's “disingenuous”. But a skunk by any other name…. (Referring to those who either cannot or will not confront sound reasoning, as exemplified by the lemmings defending Obama here.)


Garrett
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:41 am

I had a feeling I spelled that wrong as I was typing it. :-)


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:41 am

“You stay classy. And racist.”

You have difficulty recognizing subtle sarcasm, don’t you?

“So now we can add ‘cannot stay on topic’ to ‘racist.’ ”

One, Obama’s ruining the country with debt and socialism is more “on topic” (in addressing rhonda’s insinuation, at least) than racism. Two, it has been those on YOUR side who have been fairly consistently bringing up the racism issue. And, no, I am not a racist. My “halfbreed” comment was merely a shorthand for “Mostly Arabic” – “halfbreed” fit more fluidly in my sarcastic mockery of rhonda’s post better than “Mostly Arabic”. For instance, compare “Thar’s a White Arabic-halfbreed in the White House….” with “Thar’s a White Mostly-Arabic-on-his-father’s-side man in the White House….”

“After all, what the hell does George Bush’s economy have to do with Obama’s birth certificate?”

Nothing. But it is now OBAMA’S “economy”, and HIS “government”, and he is ruining both. But my quoted comment was in the context of responding to rhonda’s which insinuated that the REASON many are asking that Obama provide his records is because of racism – I pointed out that there is a far simpler and more reasonable reason, one which involves STRONG DISAGREEMENT with his policies. Does that make sense now, or do I need to spell it out more clearly?

“Unless you mean that you didn’t understand the U.S. was a debtor nation with a progressive tax rate before Obama even announced his candidacy. Is that what you mean?”

Nope. I just meant that he is putting us so far and so quickly into such greater debt that it is unlikely we or our children or our grandchildren will ever see the light of not being a debtor nation. Do you know the difference between owing, say, $5000 on one credit card and owing $500,000 on 10 credit cards? (An extreme and unrealistic example, but sometimes hyperbole is needed to get through to those who are having trouble grasping a concept.)

“I hope not. I’d hate to have to add ‘ignoramus’ to ‘racist’ and ‘can’t stay on topic.’ ”

Me too. But I’m afraid I already have discerned you as “incredibly judgmental”, “unjustifiably self-impressed”, and “hopelessly undiscerning and biased”.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Hardly. Are you blind? The creases do not match.


tacitus
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:45 am

God, you are dense. Unless you believe the Republican administration in Hawaii is *also* in on the conspiracy, then their corroborating statements confirm that Obama's COLB — the one he released before the election — is real and accurate. If his original birth certificate says he was born somewhere other than Honolulu then the COLB would also say so.

If the COLB was a fake, the Hawaiian govt would not perjure themselves by lying to cover up for someone they likely didn't even vote for.

Even if, somehow, Obama's parents lied and managed to cover up the fact that their son was not born on American soil, then there is nothing anyone can do to prove it today. Any birth certificate still in the archives would simply confirm the Honolulu birth place. In fact, if it's all a lie, there is a good chance that Obama himself doesn't know it. Why would his parents ever want to involve him in their criminal actions?


delver
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:46 am

Commieatheist, the question is whether the seal is correct, period. It wouldn't be true because rightwing sites say so, but they're saying so doesn't prove it's false either since they will use some facts (very often not, I agree.) It being the correct seal is an independent fact to discover, neither because of affirmation nor in spite of it.

BTW Happy birthday to Barack Obama today, whom I believe was born in Hawaii.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:46 am

Garrett: “A Hawaiian COLB, that states you were born in Hawaii, can be obtained by persons born outside of Hawaii or even the US.”

mantis: “You are a liar. It would state where the person was born. Hawaii would not issue a birth certificate stating someone was born in their state if that person was not.”

Garrett: “And again here is the link to the official Hawaii government website that proves it -

mantis: “Really? Where does it state that the State of Hawaii will lie about your birthplace?”

Amazing. Are you really that dense, mantis? For goodness' sake, Garrett has made it perfectly clear that it would be the PARENTS who would be lying to the HAWAIIAN GOVERNMENT. The point remains that a child could be born in another country, that child's parents could then LIE to the Hawaiian government about that child being born in Hawaii, and that child would then be granted a Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth” (or something equivalent).


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:48 am

Belief is not the same as knowledge. There are some who require a little more from their leaders than merely “Trust me”.


llort3
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:50 am

I am the source. Find me on youtube at LLORT3.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:05 am

tacitus,

“God, you are dense.”

Highly unlikely.

“Unless you believe the Republican administration in Hawaii is *also* in on the conspiracy, then their corroborating statements confirm that Obama's COLB — the one he released before the election — is real and accurate.”

Ever heard of Arlen Specter? Once, he was a Republican. Then, he had a revelation and became a Democrat. However, other Republicans have also affirmed that they trust that Obama's COLB is legitimate, yet NONE of them have actually taken the time to VERIFY that it is – they have simply taken two non-independent websites' word for it, and superficially examined the issue. The same could easily be true for “the Republican administration in Hawaii”, WITHOUT their “corroborating statements” implying they are involved in any sort of “conspiracy”.

“If his original birth certificate says he was born somewhere other than Honolulu then the COLB would also say so.”

Ummmmm, speaking of “dense”, haven't you been reading what we “birthers” have been saying? Obama's original long-form Birth Certificate MIGHT simply indicate that he was not born in a hospital, which would LEAVE OPEN the possibility that he was born in another country (and would indicate that he has lied in many instances about his being born in two hospitals in Hawaii [it seems that he changed his mind recently about which one he was actually born in]).

“If the COLB was a fake, the Hawaiian govt would not perjure themselves by lying to cover up for someone they likely didn't even vote for.”

Even if the Hawaiian government self-identifies as “Republican”, their views are likely “moderate”, and so they could be easily convinced to vote for “one of their own” (someone perhaps born in, and raised in, Hawaii). Ever heard of some Democrats having voted for Reagan? Or some Republicans having voted for Clinton? It happens.

“Even if, somehow, Obama's parents lied and managed to cover up the fact that their son was not born on American soil, then there is nothing anyone can do to prove it today.”

No one that I know of has claimed otherwise. But you are completely missing the point, which I will not repeat here.

“Any birth certificate still in the archives would simply confirm the Honolulu birth place.”

It wouldn't necessarily “confirm” it; it would perhaps only REPEAT it. (In the case where Obama was claimed to have had a “home birth”.)

“In fact, if it's all a lie, there is a good chance that Obama himself doesn't know it.”

And there's a good chance that he DOES know it. Which would explain why he would be so reticent to reveal any of his relevant records from his past.

“Why would his parents ever want to involve him in their criminal actions?”

It would only take ONE of his parents – his mother. And if you know anything about Obama's parents, you would know that NONE of them exhibited anything like real parental love towards him. His supposed father (B.H.O Sr.) apparently abandoned him and his mother, and did not seek him out for years (at which point he met with him for perhaps a day or two, then left him, not to see him again for years, or even ever). His mother abandoned him to be cared for by his grandparents, so that she could study in Washington state (rather than enrolling in a university in Hawaii, or taking him with her); and when she returned with him from Indonesia when he was in grade school, she not long thereafter abandoned him again, leaving him with her parents while she became a sort of “world-traveler” (or at least a country-hopper). He was raised by his grandparents, EVEN THOUGH HIS MOTHER WAS PERFECTLY ABLE TO DO SO.

His mother was also quite the controversial and liberal figure, one who rejected traditional standards and behaviors. She gravitated towards the revolutionary and rebellious, and was both herself. After Obama reached a certain age, there is nothing to suggest that she wouldn't have told him the truth about his birth and father (if what is now being presented by Obama is a lie), and then told him to keep it a secret. She, like Barack, was ambitious and calculating, after all.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:06 am

singularity: I like this. My point, exactly.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:10 am

Is that the same Snopes.com that changed the details on Obama’s place of birth and even the hospital several times in a few hours and then finally said
there was no official record of where he was born? You can get your “facts” anywhere you want, and “factcheck.com” is a creation of the Clintons (check
it out anywhere you choose). Personally, I’m waiting for the sealed records to be opened and examined. Everything else is speculation. What is Mr.
“Transparency” hiding? What will his devotees have to worship in his Presidential Library if he never releases anything?

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douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:10 am

Glad I could help. :)


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:11 am

I beg to differ. The Panama Canal Zone was leased land. It has also been argued that McCain was born in a hospital in Colon (not sure without looking it up. It is on his birth certificate). According to what I read, that hospital is not in the Canal Zone. I admit I have not looked at the issue in depth as I believe McCain could easily argue his parentage gives him Natural Born status.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:12 am

And I can't imagine some women having their babies aborted. Especially those who have done so in back alleys, or by individuals who are not doctors. Some people do things most people wouldn't.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:14 am

I should also mention that the reason that “leased land” is significant is that the Bush Administration argued that leased land (Gitmo specifically) was not US territory (so that they could do whatever they wanted to prisoners there and not have to worry about the pesky rule of law and all of that mess).


Garrett
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:14 am

The statute you listed talks about citizenship, not natural-born citizenship status as required by the Constitution to occupy the office of President. This is a completely unique requirement created specifically for one job in the Constitution. There are many paths to citizenship via naturalization and other means, but that doesn't make one a “natural born citizen”.

Claiming that the law wouldn't be followed in the case of Obama's mother is absurd. Show me in the law where it says this requirement would be waved if you were not alive for 5years before turning 14 and the birth of the child. You have basically decided to overrule state law because it is convenient to your argument.


Matt
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:16 am

These claims must be backed by some form of evidence. Do you have any?


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:17 am

Don't be silly. Belief is all you'll ever have, unless you train yourself in document forensics, fly to Hawaii and travel back in time to when the BC was written.

In the meantime, I assume you “believe” the Hawaiian COLB is a forgery? Funny how belief works.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:18 am

TEWS_Pilot: I give up.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:18 am

All the more reason for Obama to release his records. Oh, the humanity! Look at the grief he is causing in the lives of innocent people half a world away.
Show us the documents, Mr. “Transparency”.

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TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:19 am

Hey, Barry, yeah, Barry Soretoro, unseal those records, please, Matt here wants to see what you’re hiding.

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milesw
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:19 am

So Garrett, which statute does talk about natural born citizenship?


Garrett
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Tacitus,

You are confused on the argument. If Obama was born out of Hawaii and his parents wanted to acquire a COLB showing Hawaii as the birthplace they only needed to declare that it was a home birth and have 1 witness.

This would result in a COLB that listed Hawaii as place of birth. However, the long-form would show no hospital or physician but instead would list a home birth. Included with the document would be the statements of both parents and either a midwife or witness.

Under this circumstance, none of the statements that Hawaiian gov't has made would be incorrect if you look at them closely. The first statement confirmed that Obama had a long-form BC on file but didn't mention what was on it. The 2nd statement mentioned his “vital records” show he was born in Hawaii but they don't mention long-form or even birth certificate for that matter.

If the long-form vault copy has a hospital and attending physician listed than there is no argument…Obama is a natural-born citizen.

Just release it and be done with all of this.

My guess is that his long-form lists a home birth, which would prove nothing either way. It would however raise many more questions which Obama would want to avoid.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:23 am

TEWS_Pilot: Have you even been reading this thread (and I agree it’s getting jumbled chaotically).

I said the Aussie had his birth certificate up for years on a genealogy website. He is not involved in any conspiracy nonsense, and wishes it never happened. What’s more to say on this matter, except that a forger used it as a template for Kenya?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:24 am

Hawaii changed the term from Certificate of Live Birth to Certification of Live Birth because they changed their system. The Short Form Birth Certificate is generated automatically from a database and contains all of the information necessary for “all reasonable purposes” to establish Hawaiian birth.

Since Hawaii no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth, it would be idiotic to require them for proof of birth. Some of their old documents that birthers erroneously relied on have now been changed to reflect the current situation.


Matt
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:25 am

So, you could have just said you don’t like America’s election of a black president. Why beat around the bush?


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:25 am

That is exactly what Obama and the Marxists who are now running this country want you to do. Don’t give up, make THEM give up.

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Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:26 am

Obama ran as “the first AFRICAN-American” President, NOT “the first “ARABIC-American” President. You tell me how he would have fared if he had done the latter.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:30 am

You accept everything posted on Snopes.com and Moveon.org and Factcheck.com and Huffingtonpost and Democrat Underground and Daily KOS and
every other Leftist blog and the constant stream of lies and misinformation and stonewalling and obfuscation coming out of the White House and
“Mainstream” Media propaganda machine and yet you demand evidence from ME? Are you nuts? Unseal your records, Mr. “Transparency”.

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Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:31 am

Translation: “I have no answer for your points. Therefore, you must be a racist.”


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:34 am

Bob, we’re talking past each other. Someone forged something. The Aussie may well be a victim of “identity theft” in a manner of speaking. He is not
considered a willing participant in a conspiracy as far as I know, although he may be accused of being naive for allowing his birth certificate to be made public
in this day and age. I just pointed out some of the repercussions that may result from what has happened; I did not assess any blame or accuse him of
anything.

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Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:38 am

What stupid question? About how a 4-year old site just happened to be in place for a fake BC? I would consider it stupid to *believe* that. Nor do I have any idea what you mean about “wanting to get the truth”. It seems to me you’re doing your level best to *avoid* the truth.

And again, WHERE did Bomford give permission?


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Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:49 am

Bob Robertson,

“Obama has sealed his records? That’s news to me.”

Whether he himself has “officially” sealed any of them, or whether he simply refuses to release them, the effect is the same – they are “sealed” to the public.

“He won’t release his transcripts, because he doesn’t have to and it would prove nothing about his citizenship.”

It is not just his transcripts, I don’t think, but also his associations and “published” papers, or course papers. These papers might reveal quite a bit about the “formative” Obama. But some of the “sealed” information from his college years includes things that MIGHT indicate if he received a scholarship as a foreign student, which would result in his being disqualified as President. Certainly motivation for him to NOT release those records, if true. But we can’t know if that’s the reason, because he WON’T release those records.

“My brother lives in Hawaii, and there’s a great pidgin’ expression, there, ‘Got beef?’ ”

I live in Indiana, and there’s an expression made famous in a “Wendy’s” television commercial from a number of years ago: “Where’s the beef?” And I think that applies most definitely to Obama and his past, and his claims about his life (as made in his TWO self-aggrandizing autobiographies).

“You don’t like how Linda Lingle is a Republican governor in an overwhelmingly Democratic state, and she also vouches for the birth certificate?”

Did it ever occur to you that she couldn’t have become a Republican governor in an “overwhelmingly Democratic state” UNLESS she was quite moderate in her Republicanism? Has it not occurred to you that she might have some pro-Obama bias simply because she is Hawaiian (I assume) and Obama was supposedly born in Hawaii, and largely raised in Hawaii, and that that bias might easily be sufficient to overcome whatever “anti-Democrat” leanings she may or may not have?

“Then go to Hawaii and sue the state, because the federal government, and even Obama himself, has no jurisdiction over Hawaii vital records.”

I have absolutely NEVER said or implied that Obama would have the FEDERAL authority to order the Hawaiian government to go against their own laws in this matter. And I have never suggested that he use his authority AS PRESIDENT to force the release of his vital records.

“That’s why Orly Taitz and crew will lose every time, as they already have, 43 times, in federal courts.”

No, that’s not the reason, I’m fairly sure. Besides, there is a very simple way for Obama to have at least the INFORMATION on his original long-form Birth Certificate (if it exists, and is not merely a “short-form” Certification or something similar) released. Do you know how he could do so?


zeeba
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:59 am

Oh? Then why are their leaders all certified moonbats like Oily Tatz – you'd
think if there was some reservoir of sanity within the movement, it would
rise to the top. But it hasn't, and there isn't.

Oily stumbled all over herself for four minutes the other day trying to
avoid an interviewer's very reasonable question about how she accounts for
the fact that Obama's birth announcement appeared in two local newspapers
the week after he was born. In fact, I've never heard any response from the
birthers that attempts to explain how these could exist if he wasn't born in
Hawaii.

When dealing with crackpots, the classic and classy response is to refuse
to engage them in debate, because they're never satisfied with any answer
you provide. That's all Obama is doing here. And that's why this will be my
last comment on this thread.


Opey
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:01 am

The entire birth certificate “issue” is merely a smokescreen to hide the fact that, even if Obama was indeed born on U.S. soil (in which case he would be considered a *native-born* U.S. citizen), he has never been nor can he ever be a NATURAL-born U.S. citizen SIMPLY BECAUSE HIS (alleged) FATHER WAS A U.K. CITIZEN (of Kenyan birth) AT THE TIME OF OBAMA “JR.’s” BIRTH, rendering Obama Jr. at least a British citizen, and if in fact he was born on U.S. soil, then by the 14th amendment ALSO (read “dual”) a NATIVE-born U.S. citizen. Birth on U.S. soil ALONE is NOT ENOUGH for “Natural-born” status. Both your PARENTS must have been U.S. citizens at the TIME of your birth on U.S. soil.

The writers of the Constitution, most of whose parents held dual citizenship with Britain, rendering these writers NEVER to acquire ‘Natural-born’ status regardless of whether they, themselves, were born within the Colonies, wrote themselves INTOeligibility as presidential candidates in Article 2, Section 1, precisely because they intended that theirs be the ONLY generation of presidential candidates eligible to run as an EXCEPTION to the commonplace understanding that “Natural-born” meant and still means a birth on U.S. soil to at least a FATHER (at that time, the mother’s citizenship was not consequential) who was, at the time of the baby’s birth, a U.S. CITIZEN.

Article 2, Sec. 1, U.S. Constitution:

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President …”

Leo Donofrio’s treatment:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12…

The Federalist Papers
By P.A. Madison on November 18, 2008

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_c…

Citizen at Birth (CAB) does NOT equal Natural Born Citizen (NBC) – Mario Puzzo, Esq.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/citizen-at-bi…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:02 am

Until recently Hawaii did NOT accept a Certification of Live Birth as proof a person was actually born in Hawaii for all government uses. For example, Hawaii’s Department of Home Lands required the person to bring their Certificate of Live Birth in. Because their Certification of Live Birth was insufficient proof to demonstrate the person was actually born in Hawaii.

Here is a link to the above example:
http://ngoldfarb.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/state-of-hawaii-says-obama-birth-certificate-not-valid/

The problem you have is you keep using COLB to reference two different documents. Which, I assume at this point is intentional obfuscation on your part.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:09 am

Ouch, good point about Orly. On the other hand, Robard accusing a dentist/laywer of criminal activity might not be wise either. Some might call it slander.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:10 am

Why are you asking me? Barack Obama sealed the records that will answer all the questions; ask HIM. The only “truth” I am interested in is WHO is
Barack Obama? Really. Not who is the facade we see 24/7 on TV still campaigning long after the election is over, but WHO is the REAL Barack Obama.
Granted the Aussie’s BC has been verified. Granted it was naively posted publicly with no restrictions against downloading copies of it where anyone in
the world with good or bad motives could misuse it. Who cares? The topic under discussion is the Kenyan BC, and a case has now been filed to
determine its origin, its meaning, its purpose, was it created recently or decades ago to be used by Obama to apply fraudulently to Occidental College, or
any number of other questions you care to add to the stack. It’s not that hard to understand. Please don’t attribute motives or ideas to me that are not
mine. Do YOU care if the President of the United States of America is legally eligible to hold the office and if he is POSSIBLY a fraud or a liar, either NOW
or when he applied for admission to Occidental College? Do you care if he LIED and committed FRAUD on his application? Do you care if he meets the
legal qualifications to hold the office of POTUS? Do you agree that the American people have a right to know the TRUTH? THAT is the issue. Just
unseal the records and let the truth be known.

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Paulo
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:13 am

“Disprove this with applicable 1961 Hawaiian law if you think you can.”–Garrett

Lol. You are reversing the burden of proof. It is YOUR claim, YOU need to cite the applicable Hawaiian law as it was written in 1961 that supports your argument – if you think you can.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:14 am

zeeba,

“Oh? Then why are their leaders all certified moonbats like Oily Tatz – you'd think if there was some reservoir of sanity within the movement, it would rise to the top. But it hasn't, and there isn't.”

Orly Taitz is no “moonbat”. And neither is Alan Keyes, or Philip Berg, or Joseph Farah, or Lou Dobbs. Why are all of Obama's defenders certifiably cultic and clueless?

“Oily stumbled all over herself for four minutes the other day trying to avoid an interviewer's very reasonable question about how she accounts for the fact that Obama's birth announcement appeared in two local newspapers the week after he was born. In fact, I've never heard any response from the birthers that attempts to explain how these could exist if he wasn't born in Hawaii.”

I rather doubt your account of that interview. But if you had done even a very simple search on the issue you raise, you'd have quickly realized that “birthers” have ALREADY explained how those two birth announcements in those two Hawaiian newspapers could exist if he wasn't born in Hawaii. The explanation is simply that those birth announcements were BASED ON either a Certification of Live Birth (or its equivalent) or a Birth Certificate – if Obama was NOT born in a hospital in Hawaii (and thus perhaps born even in another country), then the birth announcements would have been based on a Certification of Live Birth (or its equivalent), and would thus merely be REPEATING information which could be false. That is, if Obama was born in, say, Kenya, and his mother shortly after his birth returned to Hawaii and applied for a Certification of Live Birth (or its equivalent) in Hawaii, and she claimed that he was born in Hawaii, the Hawaiian government would have trusted her claim and granted Barack a “Certification of Live Birth” (or its equivalent). That (false) information about where he was born would then be REPEATED in the birth announcements, because those announcements were BASED ON the false information contained in the “Certification of Live Birth” (or its equivalent), which would have been the only information on file regarding Obama's birth.

Do you finally understand?


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:19 am

It appears that some of those seeking the release of Obama's sealed records have a different slant on the plethera of fraudulent birth certificates surfacing these days. One theory is that at least one may have been created by or for Obama himself when he applied to Occidental College…as a FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT! …and a case has been filed to have the FBI and DOJ investigate the source of the suspect birth certificates with that premise in mind. This could be a “smoking gun” no one thought about in the “birther” camp, but it would be just as damaging. What would happen if it is proven that Obama fraudulently applied for and was accepted at Occidental College, and all that has accrued to him as a result of the educational credentials he received? Would he be stripped of any or all of his credentials, and could he be arrested and sent to prison….or has the statute of limitations expired? What if he falsified his citizenship or birth information on a passport? Prosecution may no longer be an option, but stripping him of his fraudulently-obtained credentials is still in play…look at all the “phony soldiers”, “respected journalists”, “tenured educators”, and other public figures who have been exposed and stripped of those credentials and honors……drip, drip, drip….

…but the nighmare scenario that followed would be a Constitutional crisis of monumental proportions…would impeachment hearings be in order? How would the ascention to POTUS be handled? Would there be riots?


Paulo
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:22 am

Garrett,

Discussing Hawaiian Homelands is a non-sequitur. The reason Hawaiian Homelands requested the long-form at one time was to establish the birthplaces and background of the parents. The additional information was not necessary to prove birth, but rather GENEALOGY. The Hawaiian Homelands website explains this:

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/dhhl…

“The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for GENEALOGICAL purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”


loganquinn
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:25 am

Fake. Pure and simple. 1) We are suppose to believe this piece of paper is approximately the same age as the original. Yet there is no discoloration or aging of the “Obama” paper. It looks like the paper was recently folded. This page doesn't look like it ever traveled in a wallet, whereas the original looks like it did many times. The only reason to fold paper up like this is to carry it in a wallet. 2) There is a weird pattern behind all text and logos on the “Obama” paper, a tell tale sign that text was copied and pasted then skewed to fit the photo of the crisp paper. I could see how a non-graphics professional might be fooled by such thing, but take it from someone who has spent more than a decade faking photos for the advertising industry, this “Obama” paper is a fake.


zeeba
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:26 am

wanna bet?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:29 am

“Do YOU care if the President of the United States of America is legally eligible to hold the office and if he is POSSIBLY a fraud or a liar”

Quite frankly, I expect that every President we’ve had (or ever will have) is both fraud and liar to some degree. I feel certain that some deception was involved in the run-up to Iraq, for example.

HOWEVER, regarding the specific eligibility issue, of course I care. However, the chances of there being this huge and nefarious (not to mention 40-year old) conspiracy is as unlikely as a meteor killing me dead in the next 30 seconds.

I don’t worry about meteors, and consequently I see no cause for alarm in this instance.


Wandering__joe
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Not to jump on a bandwagon here but Orly Taitz is clearly a moonbat. If you can't see that then there is no trying to have a rational discussion with you.


zeeba
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:35 am

ps – do your own simple search and watch the interview for yourself – it's
been all over the net for the past 24 hours or so.

and do you realize just how convoluted your explanation for the birth
announcements sounds? It's like a developmentally challenged 10-year-old
desperately trying to explain how he just *knows* there really, truely is a
Santa Claus.

And Alan Keyes isn't a moonbat? You have a rich fantasy life, don't you?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:36 am

The link you posted has Dr. Fukino (not the Governor and not the State as a body) saying the following:
+++”"I … have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,” Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”"+++

No where does it say the State of Hawaii or the Republican Governor have stated Obama was Born in Hawaii.

The Director of Health for Hawaii does make that statement, but that has already been challenged because of time-line and the records being disposed of.


JoJoMan
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:38 am

I have Obama's real birth certificate which I will sell to the highest bidder at the end of this week.

Please post your bid accordingly.

View Obama's real birth certificate here,…….

http://westernfrontamerica.com/wp-content/uploa…


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:40 am

“You assertion about the online birth certificate is again half truths. He has posted a COLB which I have shown above has shortcomings.”–Garrett

No you have not. You should say you “think” you have shown above…

The State of Hawai'i has stated a COLB is good enough to prove citizenship for “all reasonable purposes”. We can believe them or we can believe you. Unfortunately, you are not an official with the state.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:41 am

You mean, if he had done either.

He most certainly didn’t run as the “First African-American” anything. If anything he ran from that label.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:42 am

It appears that some of those seeking the release of Obama's sealed records have a different slant on the plethera of fraudulent birth certificates surfacing these days. One theory is that perhaps this one may have been created by or for Obama himself when he applied to Occidental College…as a FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT! …and a case has been filed to have the FBI and DOJ investigate the source of at least this one with that premise in mind. What better template to clone from than a UK birth certificate for Obama's fake UK birth certificate from a different part of the extended kingdom? This could be a “smoking gun” no one thought about in the “birther” camp, but it would be just as critical for exposing Obama as a fraud and a liar. If he IS a US citizen and applied as a foreign exchange student to attend Occidental College, he committed fraud. If he is NOT a US citizen and now claims he IS, then he is still a liar and a fraud. Were you lying THEN, or are you lying NOW, Mr. Obama?

What would happen if it is proven that Obama fraudulently applied for and was accepted at Occidental College, and all that has accrued to him as a result of the educational credentials he received from that school and all subsequent schools? What if he fraudulently applied for his passport to visit Pakistan? Would he be stripped of any or all of his credentials, and could he be arrested and sent to prison….or has the statute of limitations expired? Prosecution may no longer be an option, but stripping him of his fraudulently-obtained credentials is still in play…look at all the “phony soldiers”, “trusted journalists”, “tenured educators”, “esteemed members of Congress” and other public figures who have been exposed and stripped of credentials and honors…”Hope” and “Change”….drip, drip, drip….

…but the nighmare scenario that followed would be a Constitutional crisis of monumental proportions. Would impeachment hearings be in order? How would the ascention to POTUS be handled now? Would there be riots? Where is the “transparency” promised during the campaign? The only “Change” being implemented is changing gears from “Forward” to “Reverse” and deconstructing the economy, the housing industry, the healthcare industry, the banking industry, the mortgage financing industry, the investment banking industry, the insurance industry, the automobile and manufacturing industries, the energy industry, the moral and social structure, the military preparedness, and the “Hope” we enjoyed before the Alinskyites took control of the government.

Mr. Obama, Oh Grand Mufti of Chicago, unseal your records.

Meet the new boss; same as the old boss…..


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:47 am

Opey: The constitution does not require that one's parents have to be citizens in order for a candidate to be “natural born”. Slaves were not “citizens” in the true sense of the world, but under the 14th amendment, their children were. Illegal immigrants are not citizens, but their children born here will qualify as natural-born and thus eventually run for the presidency.
There have been over 43 court challenges to date, including from some of the individuals you have mentioned. All have lost or been thrown out.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:54 am

delver: The state seals of many of the Commonwealth countries changed during the 1960s, as many countries gained their independence, or at least acquired an identity which distanced itself from the crown colony status.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:54 am

EVERYTHING anyone does or accepts hinges on a foundational belief of some sort. In that sense, sure, “belief is all [I'll, or anyone'll] ever have”. But at a certain, evidential, level, belief can turn into knowledge – knowledge of mathematics, or of document forensics, and the like. At this level, the facts and evidence suggest strongly that Obama has something to hide. What that is is uncertain, and will likely remain so UNLESS OBAMA CHOOSES TO RELEASE HIS ORIGINAL LONG-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

And, yes, I believe, based on the evidence, that Obama's COLB could very well be a forgery. It might not be, but in either case it is NOT sufficient to prove that he was actually born in Hawaii. It's funny how evidence and logic work.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:56 am

Explain WHY


rhonda
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:56 am

Why not just y'all cut to the chase and say what you really mean, “Thars a nigga' in da White House, and nobody cares! HOLY SHEET!”


10ciara
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:58 am

get a grip


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:58 am

Judas Gutenberg: And I thought all this time that Obama was descended from giraffes. Shows how much I know!


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:02 am

OK, hold that thought for the next year or so and then see how the “Hope” and “Change” are working out for you…and the country. As far as a 40-year-old
conspiracy goes, I have no idea what you mean. Communists have been working to undermine this country since the Bolshevic Revolution; they just
happened to hit the jackpot this go around with Obama and the rest of their wins in Congress. The floodgates are finally opening. If you are a big
proponent of one-party rule, you must be overjoyed about the election results in Iran and what is happening in Central and South America and Cuba. Yes,
during the runup to 9/11, there was a period of eight years of Bill Clinton, fraught with deception, incompetence, missed opportunity, and treachery, but we
can also blame Bush I and Colin Powell for dropping the ball in the first Gulf War…which could have prevented the next ones. If you listen to Coast to
Coast AM, there are “experts” talking about a large number of asteroids heading toward Earth, and perhaps four of them could hit us…anything is possible.

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Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:03 am

“verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii”

There’s that reading comprehension thing again. YOU quoted it and don’t even fucking see that? Or are you willfully obtuse?

You’d have to be either stupid or willfully obtuse not to notice that a press release on official Hawai’ian state letterhead, bearing the Governor’s name, made by the Director of the Dept. of Health, comes from the State of Hawai’i.

Did you mean the fire god who lives at the base of the undersea volcano has not belched out his opinion of Obama’s birthplace in a hail of ash and lava? Because I’d agree with you that the fire god has not done so.

Either way, you should maybe take up drinking or popping pills or sniffing glue. Losing brain cells isn’t exactly on your Big List Of Things To Worry About.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:08 am

Mikelow: I beg to differ. Any child born anywhere in the world to one or more American citizens is automatically a US citizen. However, the constitution DOES explicitly state that one must be born on US soil to qualify for the Presidency. However, the definition is somewhat flexible. A US registry ship can be American soil. An embassy compound or a military base can be considered American soil. Any US territory, like Guam or the Virgin Islands, is American soil. The Panama Canal Zone was a US territory when McCain was born.

But if you are born in a hospital in another country, you are out of luck. Candidate Bill Richardson, the NM governor who ran in the Democrat primary last year, has an American father and a Mexican mother. But as her due date approached, dad shipped his wife to Los Angeles, so he could be born in the US instead of Mexico City. A Mexico City birth would have disqualified him to be President — even if BOTH parents had been Americans.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:11 am

First of all, we’ve all seen that bogus link.

Second, DUMB ASS, did you notice the reference to “top secret clearances because they’re members of Congress…” in YOUR OWN POST?

Third, I’ll post the links when you prove you didn’t get arrested for fucking a tunafish sandwich. Can’t you read, stupid? Those are my terms. If you don’t like them, go to a town hall and tell them how mean I was to you.

Fourth, you cannot read or infer from what you have read to you.

“Note it says they are “Given” Top Security Clearance, meaning they are not vetted.”

If someone said you were given a diploma at graduation, it does not mean you didn’t attend the school. You just take it to mean that. Because you’re really fucking stupid.

God, you’re stupider than I first thought, as a matter of fact. This is boring me. Anyone else want to stand in for darpot?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:13 am

I had to do a little research on your claim that Obama had an Indonesian passport. Snopes does a good job of debunking that here:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp

“…[T]he claim that Barack Obama must have set out on that trip to Pakistan using a non-U.S. passport is false: The U.S. State Department did not include Pakistan on a “no travel” list barring Americans from traveling there in mid-1981, and evidence documents that Americans could in fact freely visit that country at that time.”


Jeff
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:14 am

You goofballs are so sad. Please get some help for yourselves. Hey, check with Doctor Orly. Maybe she is a psycologist as well as a dentist and a realtor and a high powered attorney.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:17 am

The only thing I agree with you on is McCain. I have not read anything about Romney yet. There is not much there. McCain was not born in the US, but it would be reasonable to argue that he was a citizen based on his parents' citizenship.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:19 am

–”BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”–

Note “up to the first birthday of the child”
The BC3 is used to reference “Certification of Live Birth” by the author.
(http://logisticsmonster.com/2009/07/28/obamas-birth-certificate-which-one-is-it/)


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:20 am

douglasjbender: I've got another Hawaiian technicality here. While it is true that parents of a Hawaiian child born at home can ASSERT that their child was born in Hawaii, the “Certificate of Live Birth” (and this may be unique to Hawaiian law), does NOT give the name of the city of birth. It simply says the child was born in the state. Obama's COLB gives Honolulu as the city, which indicates that this was fact-checked against the long form (the only existing original and cannot be reproduced) in the files.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:23 am

Garrett: Obama has no power, even as President, to release his long form. If you want to challenge this, then sue in a Hawaiian court and leave the federal administration out of it, because it is beyond their power, even if they wanted to.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:26 am

From what I have seen Robert Klein Engler is a Chicagoan. Not sure how his being refused a passport has to do with anything. Considering the State of Hawaii only issues the short form birth certificate or COLB these days, I do not see how you could reasonably argue that it is not acceptible for proof of birth. What are Hawaiians supposed to use if they lose their original birth certificates? My entire family have used copies from our own state to get passports. The State Department lays out the requirements:

1. PROOF OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP
a. APPLICANTS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES: Submit a previous U.S. passport or certified birth certificate. A birth certificate must include your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.

Obama's COLB meets those requirements.

Here is a link to the full application:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/100…


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:32 am

Complete non-sequitur.

You guys try to have it both ways. You say Obama was born in Kenya and Obama's mother wanted her son to be an American so bad, she committed an elaborate fraud – including posting an identical birth announcement into two different Hawaiian papers less than a week and a half later (that claim the listings came from the Dept. of Health).

If she really wanted it that badly, I cannot imagine why she would not make it on over to US soil. Sorry, but it just does not seem plausible.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:33 am

I can answer that: 0


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:33 am

TEWS_Pilot: The site which the Bomford certificate came from is a genealogy site. Most online sites in genealogy (like Ancestry.com) do not post birth certificates of living individuals. This is for personal privacy and identity theft questions. This site merely had Mr. Bomford's certificate up there as an example of how to pursue research in genealogy, and I presume he gave permission for it to be used.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:39 am

Garret: Indonesia was not on the no-fly list during the period in question. There may have been turmoil with the Sukarno government, and consequently there may have been some travelers advisories, but I remember on my early 1960s passport that the only countries not allowed were Cuba, “red” China, North Korea and North Vietnam.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:40 am

Yes. It would be so terrible for Obama. Now all you need is some credible proof. Go for it, baby! LMAO!


bammy nomore
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:41 am

Obviously, the australian version is a forgery of the kenyan bc. It came out only after orly taitz published the kenyan version. What better way to cast doubt than by making altered copies of the kenyan version and falsely claiming they pre-dated it.


bammy nomore
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Obviously, the australian version is a forgery of the kenyan bc. It came out only after orly taitz published the kenyan version. What better way to cast doubt than by making altered copies of the kenyan version and falsely claiming they pre-dated it.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Ratatatat: McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which was US territory from before 1914 until Gerald Ford (I think) gave it back. There is no question that McCain was born on US soil. Even had his father not been military, he would have qualified.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:44 am

Ratatat,

“Complete non-sequitur.”

No, it wasn't. It was pointing out that not being able to imagine someone doing something that one wouldn't do one's self doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't do that something. (Sometimes, fluidity is impossible.)

“You guys try to have it both ways. You say Obama was born in Kenya and Obama's mother wanted her son to be an American so bad, she committed an elaborate fraud – including posting an identical birth announcement into two different Hawaiian papers less than a week and a half later (that claim the listings came from the Dept. of Health).”

You guys can't read. No “birther” is claiming that Obama's MOTHER posted identical birth announcments in two different Hawaiian papers – rather, it is that she committed a fraud by FALSELY claiming (perhaps) that Barack was born in Hawaii, when in actuality he was (perhaps) born in Kenya. The birth announcements would have been BASED ON that falsely-supplied information.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:47 am

TEWS_Pilot: How about if all this information about Occidental College and his trip to Pakistan was false, totally made up? I have seen no reputable confirmation of either of those theories.

Anyway, Pakistan was never off limits to Americans during the 1980s.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:48 am

-”"verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii”-
——-
Yeah, I read it. And I dismissed because of the aforementioned issue of the records she supposedly saw in Oct. 2008 having been discarded back in 2001 when Hawaii went electronic.

Dr. Fukino has zero credibility with me and many other people because of the contradiction and her previous vagueness in her Oct. 2008 statement.

If you and others want to go on her word at this point that is your choice but not mine.

Which brings up the issue why do you believe Obama’s claims when he is on public record as lying in the past?

Remember Obama said he would stick with Public Funding, then switched to Private Funding for his campaign. The media was all over that one.

Impeach Obama and Re-Elect** Clinton !
We were better off with Bill !

**Okay, so we would have to change the limits or Ignore the Constitution as we are doing with Obama being a Natural Born Citizen.
RoFL


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:50 am

You ask a lot of silly questions. None of them have the slightest bearing in reality. None of them disposes of the untidy fact that the Kenyan birf sirtifikat fooled Orly Taitz (that, or she's a lying fuckwit who filed a forged document with a federal court, knowing it was forged). And Orly is your spokesperson.

Yay for credibility!

As long as you're asking stupid irrelevant questions based on hypotheticals that get your little gerbil brain excited, let's ask what would happen if Obama turns out to be Poseidon, god of the sea? THEN we could show that he was never born in America and in fact must be banished to the ocean deep from whence he came.

What if Obama turns out to be a Puerto Rican woman who has been wearing extensive makeup and walking on stilts?

What if Obama secretly tunneled underneath the Harvard Law School campus and found a really smart bum who looked like Joe Pesci, and the bum did all his legal assignments and handled all his law review editing duties?

What if Obama had a tractor accident as a teen, like Jerry Seinfeld's girlfriend in one episode, and his toes were grafted onto the stumps left behind when his thumbs got sliced off? So now he's going around shaking hands with people who aren't aware he has toe-thumbs. I think that invalidates all the hand-shakes he has participated in since the Iowa caucuses.

What if Obama secretly hates fried chicken and secretly loves mayonnaise? Then we can prove he's not really black.

What if all this is really taking place in a parallel universe, and in the REAL universe, the Australian birth certificate is the fake, and Obama is really some Aussie, and there's a guy in Adelaide who is really running things in the US, with the help of an Aussie who looks like Karl Rove and smells like Harriet Miers?

Homer Simpson: “What if? What if I'm taking a shower and I slip on a bar of soap? OH MY GOD I'd be killed!”

You're absurd. But it's nice to see how upset you are.

Why not just ask “What is it about the President being a colored fella that you lefties seem to be missing?”


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:53 am

Bob, do you get out of the basement much?


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:57 am

Steph, besides the fact that you failed to address one single point, you're subliminal bigotry is showing…..tell us what you really think.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:59 am

If I understand you correctly, you presume a private, here-to-fore-unknown individual in the UK cheerfully gave blanket permission for any “birther debunker”
anywhere on Earth, even on a chatboard, to publicly post his private birth certificate for the entire world to see, knowing it could be used by ANYONE to
create a FAKE birth certificate or used in court as evidence in what could be the most high profile fraud case in history and that he could be called to testify
perhaps in the USA? Really?

======================


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:00 am

Obviously.

What better way to show how easily-misled a birther can be than to post an idiotic forgery of a Kenyan document online and wait for the (unaccredited) “lawyer” leading the birther movement to snap it up and throw it out to the birther minions, who then follow her over the cliff like lemmings, rather than stand up and admit that an obvious forgery fooled some of them (“but not me!”)?

And what better way to bolster your own credibility than by trying to throw Orly Taitz an absurd lifeline?

We just invented Mr. Bomford. There's no such man. It's really Richard Wolffe slightly modifying his British accent. No such continent as Australia. It's just a sound stage out in the California desert, near Palmdale.

Rupert Murdoch owns it. Liberals made a deal with him after Bush was re-elected. Rupert knew he would profit immensely from being the voice of the “loyal opposition” and being the network that caters to fringe racists. So in exchange for his help getting Obama elected, we promised to help him pretend that Australia exists and do everything else he needed, like paying people to wave their birth certificates at frightened GOP representatives in town hall meetings to discuss what other federal buildings we can name after Ronald Fucking Reagan.

Rupert claims to pay taxes in Australia, but in fact he just pays the taxes to a Cayman Islands offshore holding corporation that used to be owned by Sammy Davis, Jr. and Elvis in a joint venture.

If only you weren't too damned smart to see through our scheme. I guess you'll soon be posting that Roger Patterson Bigfoot video we've been suppressing since 1968, as well. Patterson will be really pissed off. It will harm him in his custody battle with the Loch Ness Monster.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Let me get this straight:

The site has been around since at least 2006, maybe 2005. So three or four years ago, Bomford cleverly created a geneology site, and left an empty link where four years later he could host a clever and stunningly authentic dupe of a Kenyan BC he knew would eventually surface?

I gotta be honest, if Obama plans that far ahead and that well…I'm glad he's got the top job. No other nation stands a chance.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Oh, I'm sorry.

The reason I didn't answer your questions is because they are stupid.

Not sure how you missed that. Unless, of course, in addition to asking stupid questions, you actually ARE stupid.

Now it makes sense. Carry on.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:04 am

In other words, you have nothing to show that Pakistan was off-limits to Americans or that any of the Occidental College stuff is made-up?

Got it, thanks.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:06 am

You left out black belt.

And also carnival barker.

Plus I think she and Sally Struthers put on some sort of TV/VCR repair seminar in the spring each year.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:08 am

Obama's not even black. He's half-white, and on his father's side mostly Arabic. So, it would be more accurate to say, “Thar's a White Arabic-halfbreed in the White House who's ruining the country by turning it into a debtor and socialistic nation! Holy Kool-Aid!”


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:09 am

No. You do not understand him, or anything thus far, correctly.

Bob Robertson indicated the Australian birth certificate was posted as an example of how to pursue research in genealogy.

Your response contains NONE of those words. Not even the conjunctions.

You are sorely missed at Palin headquarters. She needs you to write the chapter entitled “Quitting is Hard, Thankless Work.”


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:10 am

stephenperry, you just won.

Frankly, I think the birthers should just burn a lower-case “t” on the front lawn of the White House and be done with it.


singularity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:13 am

Bob, I think he wants to ask you out. I would say no. He strikes me as a pretty boring conversationalist. One topic and then he's shot his wad.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:14 am

I like the part where you completely ignore the 14th Amendment.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:18 am

Yep, because Obama has sealed his records. Got it?


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:20 am

** There is one striking difference between the two documents.**
The entire section is missing between “Signature, Description and Residence of Informant” and “Signature of Registrar” on the Taitz document (Kenyan image).

On the Bomford document (Australian image) there is a section that has: “Signature and Description of Authorized Person, and Name, Description, and Residence of Informant” with nothing to the right of it.

Strange that an entire section was cut-out of Taitz document if it contained nothing…


Stuart Shoemaker
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:20 am

1. The crests at the top of the two documents are different. Replacing one with the other would be difficult, if not impossible using photoshop methods.

2. The impressed seals of the two documents are radically different. The seal is placed on official documents precisely because it is nearly impossible to remove and/or replace with another one.

One or both of these documents could be forgeries. However, one cannot be remade into the other as a forgery.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:20 am

Nice specious evasion.

You fail to note that beliefs, even foundational ones, must be tested against objective evidence and further tested against common sense.

If you believe the earth is flat, take a ride in a spaceship. You're free, afterward, to continue believing that it's flat, but your belief has been confronted with the contrary evidence.

If you believe that Obama's COLB is forged, without having any evidence at all that it is, then you are more properly REFUSING to believe what all objective data and all common sense analysis suggests is true.

You say that “based on the evidence,” “Obama's COLB could very well be a forgery.” Sounds like you're just HOPING that somehow, someway, it turns out to be fake. You have no evidence that it is. Otherwise, link to it, cite it or at least describe it. You'd be the first.

And then you'd still need to explain why 100 people or 1,000 people would lie and risk their careers and freedom from jail, all for no tangible benefit to themselves.

You “believe” what you think, without thinking about what you believe.

It's funny how evidence and logic work. You have no evidence and you've abandoned all logic. They usually go together, so it makes sense that if you have none of the former, you've no use for the latter.

There's no evidence sufficient to convince you that Obama is legitimate and eligible. That's evident. And racist, when you strip away your capslock and bullshit. He's black. Thus you are unsatisfied that he's American.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:22 am

“At this level, the facts and evidence suggest strongly that Obama has something to hide”

As a professional politician, and the focus of the entire right wing attack machine….duh. No doubt he does have things to hide. That is completely tangential to his eligibility for President.

What is not in doubt is that he has passed through every legal barrier that requires a birth certificate showing natural birth. Since there is no dispute that he has passed those checks, any question of his eligibility must assume that none of those barriers were effective.

The online COLB is *irrelevant*. Technically he doesn't have to prove anything to YOU. The document could be a complete fake, and that would have no bearing on your assertion that every check and balance has failed.

So. I'd love to hear one FACT that shows how all these checks failed. You are indicting the entire process by which we pick a President. Surely you have some proof? Do you know someone who vetted him and failed to check his BC?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:24 am

Keep watching the right-wing sites. Soon they will be saying that THEY faked the Kenyan birf sirtifikat just to weed out the non-believers and cull the slow-witted from their midst.

Some of them will say they did it to expose the “mole” in the birther operation as a total fraud and doofus. I'm talking about none other than Orly Taint. I'm sure there are those in the birther movement who want to see her go away. What better way than to fool her with a stupid forgery, thus dooming her credibility?

Good luck separating your conspiracy theory from this OBVIOUS and hilarious forged Kenyan birth certificate!


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:25 am

The reason I didn't answer “you're” questions is because I have no answer….there, I fixed it for you.

…when you get to 8th grade, you will learn the difference between “your” and “you're”, too….good luck with your studies.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:26 am

“The point is this. If you lived in Hawaii but had a child outside of the country you could obtain a Hawaiian COLB saying you were born in Hawaii.”

False.

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-…

So, then, what was your point? The President is black? Knew that one.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:27 am

If I understand you correctly, you would have everyone believe a private, here-to-fore-unknown individual in the UK cheerfully gave blanket permission for any “birther debunker” anywhere on Earth, even on a chatboard, to publicly post his private birth certificate for the entire world to see, knowing it could be used by ANYONE to create a FAKE birth certificate or used in court as evidence in what could be the most high profile fraud case in history and that he could be called to testify perhaps in the USA? Really?


singularity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:31 am

It is funny how evidence and logic work. For instance, logic would dictate that Linda Lingle, the Republican Governor of Hawaii, would have no vested interest in participating in your posited cover-up. All of the evidence to date, including official documents of the state of Hawaii, as well as the public statements of Hawaiian state officials, indicates that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu in August of 1961.

Basically, you and people like you are a great font of humor for me and people like me. We laugh hysterically at the contortions you put yourself through in order to find some way, any way, to get the black man out of the White House.

The fact is, Obama could call a press conference tomorrow and announce to the world that he is secretly the love child of Dag Hammarskjold and U Thant and that he was born in Moscow on May Day, and he could still only be removed via impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate. His election was certified by the Congress in January of this year. The question of his eligibility was settled at that time.

Good luck in the future and stay on your meds. They don't seem to be helping, but they probably can't hurt too much.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:32 am

Everyone who has physically held and examined EITHER of these documents, raise your hands….yeah, that's what I thought…..just unseal the records, Mr. “Transparency”…..


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:33 am

-”First of all, we’ve all seen that bogus link.”-
Right back at you. We have all seen Obama’s bogus claim that he posted his “Birth Certificate” when in fact the document in the image says: “Certification of Live Birth” which is not a birth certificate.
Here is a image of a birth certificate so you can recognize one when you see one: http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

-”"top secret clearances because they’re members of Congress…” in YOUR OWN POST?”–
Sure, and did you read the Note: pointing out the clearances are “Given” vs. the people being investigated.

Oh and I have yet to see you post any links showing that the FBI did a background check on Obama.

Did you know the Federal Election Commission did not investigate or check on Obama’s claims of being a “Natural Born Citizen”?

-”God, you’re stupider than I first thought, as a matter of fact”-
You have proven my suspicions about you. You can not read with comprehension and you jump to conclusions. You are perfect person for Obama’s flock.


Salt
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:34 am

This most likely is a hoax. The point is, Congress had a hearing to determine if McCain was eligible, and there was much less controversy around him. The right thing to do here is to hold a similar hearing for Obama and address ALL the issues openly and upfront, it was done for McCain so it's no big deal if there is nothing to hide. Why does Obama spend so much to keep everything hidden, why do his supporters resort to name calling, why can't this be investigated out in the open by Congress and officially debunked in a few days, otherwise this will NEVER be put to rest. Why all the obfuscation, secrecy, and avoidance? Why not approach this with the openness, transparency, honesty, and truth we were promised by Obama when he wanted our votes?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:35 am

Cool! What'd I win? I hope I get to shoot Orly Taitz from a helicopter with Sarah Palin and Nicolas Sarkozy!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:38 am

LMAO.

I put “you're' in quotes. See, I was just mocking YOU. Because that's what YOU wrote. (“you're subliminal bigotry is showing”)

God you're dumb!!!

The day I take grammar lessons from an idiotic birther is the day Obama hands you a whip and asks you to use it on him as he is marched out of the Oval Office in chains.

Not gonna happen, doofus.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:42 am

Not yet, sorry. I'm a bit thick.

Let's run through it.

1. You have no evidence.

2. You assert that this is because the evidence is sealed.

3. You ignore the evidence that exists because it doesn't agree with you.

4. You have no hope of ever proving your claims because they are ridiculous and obviously untrue.

5. You take your failure as a sign that the deck has been stacked against you, and the entire machinery of government, Democrat AND Republican, refuses to lift so much as a finger so that the vault can be thrown open and Obama's Negrosity can be exposed for all of White America to see.

6. The more spectacular your failure, the more determined you are to refuse to acknowledge it.

7. You believe in circular reasoning and you think racist suspicion is interchangeable with admissible evidence.

8. You pride yourself on your refusal to admit when you've had your ass handed to you.

Got it? Good.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:46 am

“Arabic-halfbreed”

You stay classy. And racist.

“turning it into a debtor and socialistic nation”

So now we can add “cannot stay on topic” to “racist.”

After all, what the hell does George Bush's economy have to do with Obama's birth certificate?

Unless you mean that you didn't understand the U.S. was a debtor nation with a progressive tax rate before Obama even announced his candidacy. Is that what you mean?

I hope not. I'd hate to have to add “ignoramus” to “racist” and “can't stay on topic.”


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:48 am

Stop calling Oily's taint a “crease.”

We are having plenty of fun mocking the Kenyan birf sirtifikat as it is. There's no need to be vulgar.


singularity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:48 am

Show me proof that Obama has “sealed his records” rather than his records being unavailable due to government and university privacy policies. Saying “He could choose to release them” is not good enough. Why should he release his personal records from before his term of government service just to satisfy the ravings of a bunch of barely conversant lunatics? Show me proof that he has taken steps to make his records less available than those of any other member of the public.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:53 am

See, neither the Aussie birth certificate nor the Kenyan forgery is relevant.

You know which document HAS been physically held and examined? Obama's COLB.

Ask factcheck.org, or Linda Lingle the Republican Governor of Hawai'i. Ask Bill O'Reilly, who claims he examined the document a year ago. Ask World Net Daily, which confirmed on August 23, 2008 that the COLB is authentic.

Or just ask a five year old. They could tell you who the President is. Don't you want to be smarter than a five year old?

I mean, of course, someday… Not now. five year olds are too advanced for you to compare yourself to them right now. I know that's a “stretch” goal but you must set high standards for yourself if you ever want to be “physically held and examined” by any adult human at any point in your life.


singularity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:54 am

Holy CRAP! I just realized! The reason Obama has SEALED HIS RECORDS is because they show that he was ACTUALLY born in ROME, and raised by the UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED KINGDOM!!!! And then, after a series of freak accidents, he ended up in the care of his NANNY, STANLEY ANN DUNHAM! Who then raised him as her own!! The reason for all the forged birth certificates and whatnot is to provide a FALSE TRAIL for Damien, er, Barack, and the reason so many people are in on it, is that it's a SATANIC PLOT!!11!!1!!!Eleven

Did I get that about right, Douglas?


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:55 am

TEWS_Pilot: No, this is just a bloke from South Australia, not the UK, whose birth certificate has been on that genealogy site for maybe years, for all I know. I doubt the guy even heard of this controversy until today.
He didn't post to a chatboard. His birth certificate was “borrowed” to be used on a genealogy site to teach researchers how to read a typical birth certificate. It may have been up there for years, but the forger of the Kenya certificate used it as a template. He has no ponies in this race, and I bet he's embarrassed that the whole world has seen it now. I read some interviews with him this afternoon, and he's clearly dumbdounded. No conspiracy there, mate.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:55 am

Please stop citing random lawyer's opinions as fact. Yes, lawyers have opinions, but it's not until an opposing lawyer and or a judge get involved that it means anything.

None of what you wrote is consequential, unless it was the opinion of a federal judge or higher. If I'm not mistaken, SCOTUS told Donofrio to take a hike. In fact, to quote Donofrio:

“nor do I see that any court would ever provide true justice after what I’ve experienced with my case and Cort’s. I have absolutely NO faith in the US legal system. None. Nada. Zilch. Zippo.”

Sounds a bit like someone's “slam dunk” case got shredded, so they feel they have been denied “true justice” ( as opposed to law).

Again, meaningless opinions.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:57 am

Seriously. If we can get Obama to build a time machine and learn sorcery, he can take over the entire Marvel Universe in no time at all! Dr. Doom will never know what hit him! Come to think of it, I never actually saw Victor Von Doom's birth certificate. Hmm…

Apparently birthers think that Barack Obama is some kind of comic book supervillain, but I'll take that over the Scooby Doo villain reject that is Orly Taitz any day of the week.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:59 am

Steph, you're starting to lose focus. The original topic is whether the Kenyan birth certificate is fake and is the Australian birth certificate the one from which it was created….or was it actually the other way around? No forensic expert had made that determination, and so the case has been filed to force a determination. Pretty clever trick by Orly T. if that is the plan.

The coincidence string is starting to grow longer and longer, so my question about the “lucky find” of the Australian one by a rank amateur chatboard poster at the exact same time as the release of the Kenyan one is on topic, it raises all sorts of other questions, and so is the speculation about the blanket permission to post EITHER of them publicly. Is there a permission statement from the owner of EITHER of the birth certificates prominenly published on their respective sites? Is the Australian birth certificate that of a real person, or “just an example” and not even a real person….which would make IT a FAKE, wouldn't it?


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Why should he release relevant records from his past? Show you proof that he has taken steps to make his records less available than any other member of the public? Do this for me: Show me ANY of his records from his birth, time at Occidental College, time at Columbia University, time at Harvard University, or his records while a Senator. It is my understanding that he has chosen to NOT release virtually ANY of these records.

“But why should he?”, you apparently ask. Well, besides the fact that he has promised to be one of the most “transparent” President, if not the most “transparent” President, ever, doesn't it seem to you that we, the people of the United States of America, have not only a right but a DUTY to know as much potentially relevant information about someone who is seeking to be, or who actually is, the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth? Good gravy, we know less about Obama than most COMPANIES would know about a potential hire. And why is it that we know both George W. Bush's and Al Gore's and John Kerry's SAT scores, and their (and McCain's) grades, yet we know nothing about any of Obama's test scores or grades?

Thus, he has “sealed” his records in the sense that he refuses to make them available to the public, when he has a moral duty to do so. In this sense, he is ACTIVELY preventing their release, since he has a moral imperative to release that information, so that the American public can better understand who it is they have elected as President, and can do so without resorting to the TWO autobiographies a then-unknown and basically unaccomplished community organizer wrote (apparently with a great deal of help, if they weren't actually ghost-written) to promote himself.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:01 am

No.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:03 am

stephenperry: You said it more eloquently than I. Thanks. –Bob


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Even if you got your hands on Obama's online-posted “supposed” version of his “Certification of Live Birth” and found it to be real, it still would not prove Obama was born in Hawaii, thanks to Hawaii's previously screwed-up system of handing out “Certifications” to adults who merely claim a child was born in Hawaii.

The best way to get to the bottom of all of this is for Obama to release his “Certificate of Live Birth”. But he can't because he does not have one to produce. :o ;)

Which means, unless the F.B.I launches an investigation into the entire matter, we will likely never no the truth one way or the other. It is funny that so many people are willing to believe Obama's posted image of his supposed “Certification of Live Birth” is real; yet will point out how the Kenyan version with far more detail and information has to be a fake.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:07 am

There's no need for a hearing. McCain was born in Panama. Obama was born in Hawai'i.

So says the State of Hawai'i and its Republican Governor, Linda Lingle.

Do you mean we should have a hearing to investigate why the Republican Governor and her state are so corrupt?

Because otherwise, the Tenth Amendment provides that Hawai'i can make up its own laws about birth certificates. They did so. And Hawai'i is satisfied that the President is its favorite son.

The House of Representatives would be unlikely to address your concerns with a hearing. They passed a unanimous resolution declaring, inter alia, that Obama was born in Hawai'i.

So, that leaves the American Grand Jury. They can hold hearings. Get there early before the keg runs dry.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:08 am

Errr…what blanket permission? I read the entire interview, and I didn't see him mention that. I certainly didn't didn't see him offering to testify anywhere. In fact, I'd characterize the entire interview as “rueful indignation”:

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2646009.htm

Now, to my original question…do you find the 4-year sleeper agent theory credible?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:12 am

“one cannot be remade into the other as a forgery.”

You mean YOU cannot do it yourself.

Because it is beyond serious dispute that someone did in fact make the Kenyan forgery out of the Australian birth certificate.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:12 am

Well, Obama comes by it honestly. Remember, his parents carefully laid the groundwork for their half-black child to be President almost fifty years later!


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:13 am

Cause its a one way street with the Left. The Left can ridicule and question the Right, but not the reverse.

Look at how mad the Left is over the Obama Joker Posters. (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/files/2009/08…) Yet the same artist who did the famous Obama Hope picture, created a fanged image of Bush that was featured on the cover of LA Weekly and that was perfectly okay. (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/files/2009/08…)


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:14 am

stephenperry: This is priceless.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:15 am

stephenperry: Does that mean I get to stay behind and hang out with Carla Bruni?


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:16 am

The state of Hawaii and its Republican Governor have never stated that Obama was Born in Hawaii.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:18 am

“thanks to Hawaii's previously screwed-up system of handing out “Certifications” to adults who merely claim a child was born in Hawaii.”

False. That system only applied to people who had children that were at least a year old but didn't have a birth certificate. Obama got his when he was four DAYS old.

“Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-…

Good luck getting the FBI to investigate. They had enough of Obama when they did background checks on him before he became a Senator and before he became President.

The fake detail and fake information on the Kenyan birf sirtifikat beg to be pointed out.

On the other hand, Obama's COLB is so authentic and boring that you're clamoring to see his kindergarten records and his dog's veterinary records in the hope that it turns up something ANYTHING, dear God whatever it takes, just get that uppity nigger out of the White House.

Sorry to disappoint you, darpot. You shouldn't waste your intellect on us. Get on Fox News and make sure they will air your segment. Tape yourself and put it on Youtube. I will help you get your citations to fact and law tidied up.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:18 am

stephenperry,

“Let's run through it.”

Yes, let's.

“1. You have no evidence.”

There is apparently “prima facie” evidence that Obama COULD be hiding information that would disqualify him as President. That evidence is sufficiently strong to result in hundreds of thousands of Americans (and also journalists and editors in other countries) to question Obama's eligibility or legitimacy. Of course it is not evidence which would count as PROOF, but that is why FURTHER EVIDENCE, which Obama seeks to HIDE, is sought.

“2. You assert that this is because the evidence is sealed.”

Partially. And by “sealed” I mean that Obama has EFFECTIVELY “sealed” that information/evidence from being independently examined. Some he has not allowed to be examined at all; while some he has only allowed to be examined by “friendly” individuals or organizations (to whit, the COLB, which has NOT been PHYSICALLY examined by any independent individual or agency).

“3. You ignore the evidence that exists because it doesn't agree with you.”

Baloney.

“4. You have no hope of ever proving your claims because they are ridiculous and obviously untrue.”

Baloney, again. (The title of a Mark Knopfler song, by the way.) I have great hope that the obfuscations and errors of people like you and Obama will be overcome, and the truth will eventually be shown, whether that truth is as I suspect, or as you proclaim. The difference between you and me in this is that I want to SEE the evidence, while you want to KEEP IT HIDDEN.

“5. You take your failure as a sign that the deck has been stacked against you, and the entire machinery of government, Democrat AND Republican, refuses to lift so much as a finger so that the vault can be thrown open and Obama's Negrosity can be exposed for all of White America to see.”

Not at all. Republican politicans have their political careers to consider, and so probably don't want to touch this issue lest they be falsely accused of being “racist”, as you and so many others Obamanuts like you freely accuse those who want to see solid evidence from Obama of being. For your information (as though actual information and truth will have any affect on you), I am far from a racist – one of my best friends (who happens to be a neighbor) is black, and when I first heard about Obama running for President, I was INTRIGUED by him and was ROOTING for him. And it was because of this that I RESEARCHED more about him, and it was THEN that I discovered things about him that caused me to utterly despise him. It had and has absolutely NOTHING to do with his race.

“6. The more spectacular your failure, the more determined you are to refuse to acknowledge it.”

The more blatant your lie, the more you revel in it.

“7. You believe in circular reasoning and you think racist suspicion is interchangeable with admissible evidence.”

It is people like you who are the true racists, using “racism” as a defense against dealing with the issues and the truth. And the only “circular reasoning” being used here is by those who claim Obama is telling the truth because he is telling the truth.

“8. You pride yourself on your refusal to admit when you've had your ass handed to you.”

I would, if I ever had my ass handed to me. Unfortunately, you seem rather unqualified to judge when someone's ass was handed to them.

“Got it? Good.”

You're an incompetent and rude delusional believer in Obama. Yep.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:20 am

When the left mocks Bush for being White, you can bitch.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:23 am

Anything is possible with this bunch of Marxists, but do you believe a native born Causaian American could live his entire life here as a model citizen and neighbor and family man with a “wonderful family” and then we find out he has been an Islamic terrorist for the past 20+ years…oh, wait, wasn't there something in the papers about that just the other day?…..

My point about the permission must be beyond you. Are birth certificates posted publicly on internet sites without permission of the owner of the birth certificate — Yes or no?


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:24 am

Obviously you do not know the difference between a Certification of Live Birth and a Certificate of Live Birth, both of which are often referenced as COLB.

Factcheck.org is meaningless, it is private website and has NO legal authority or legal forensic expertise to determine if a document is real or fake. Even if the document the inspected is real it is still irrelevant since it is a Certification and not a Certificate.

Nice try with the school-yard taunt. RoFL


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:26 am

You've won the “Completely Irrelevant and Not-Really-Funny Post of the Year” award. Besides a printout of the post itself, your prize includes a lifetime subscription to “Misguided Comparisons for Dummies” magazine.


ravenraving
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:26 am

It was the Democrats who quashed any question about McCain's birthplace and his right to run for president.
The stand-up thing for the Republicans to do would have been to quash this fake controversy about Obama.

Democracy works best when everyone works for what's best for the country, not for the corporations or a particular political party.

Public option health care- the only way to go.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:27 am

Steph, obviously you are not smarter than a five year old if you use that logic. A five year old thinks Santa Clause is coming down the chimney in about 5 months. The rest of your post has already been debunked on this very topic string…read some replies before you hit “Post” next time.


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:27 am

Obama is not half-black, a common misconception.
Obama is 50% white, ~44% Arab, and ~6% Black based on a study of his genealogy. As posted here: http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-… (Do a search for “43.75% Arabic”)


igotsix
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:28 am

I am not a document expert. However, the Date and Place of Birth on the australian document shows 10th April. The number 1 in the 10 is an actual 1. The rest of the document uses the lower case L for the number 1.

It was common for older typewriters to not actually have a number 1. Some didn't even have a zero. You used the lower case L for a 1 and the upper case o for a zero.

Here is a link that documents that fact:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Adventist_Youth_Ho…

It includes a picture of a typewriter that has neither numbers one or zero.

I quote from the site:
“Depending on the typewriter you have (if you can find one), there are 26 alphabet keys and some number keys (picture on the right shows only eight – 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9), comma, parentheses, period, and other useful keys. The lowercase “L” was used for one (l) and uppercase “o” was used for zero (O).”


ravenraving
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:30 am

Ha ha ha. When my parent died, many places wanted original documents, each one costing $20 bucks if purchased from the state. I got one of each, then photocopied them, then embossed them with a raised stamp I got at a garage sale, an old notary public stamp or woman's group stamp or something. Voila! Embossed documents, obviously originals. ha ha ha!


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:31 am

You win a certified copy of the flux capacitor that Obama put into his DeLorean when he traveled back in time to 1961 to tell his mother about his master plan to convert America to Islam (you don't think she planned this thing by herself, did you?). I think that was the same trip where he told the current governor of Hawaii's mother that she better remind her daughter not to, and I quote, “fuck this shit up for me.”

On an unrelated note, Joe Biden is really Dr. Emmett Brown.


ravenraving
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:31 am

I think Hiliary would have looked into this quite thoroly. I am convinced, along with most normal people, that Obama is a natural born citizen.


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:33 am

Snopes says that Barack Obama attended Occidental College in California in 1979-81, under his own name, not as Barry Soetero, an Indonesian foreign student. The original article appeared on April 1, 2009, as an April Fool's joke, and was attributed to the Associated Press, which has never acknowledged this story. Snopes even says that the syntax of the story does not follow the AP journalistic guidelines.

I didn't check where this story was first filed, but it was a hoax.

Are we going to get our facts now from cereal boxes and The Onion?

On the other hand, it might be fun. Tripping up Orly Taitz this week was hilarious.


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:34 am

Is that because the Left can dish it out, but they can't take it?

The Left loved to make fun of how Bush talked. Geez, Obama can't even talk with his Teleprompters. Deal with it, get over it. Obama is fair game.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:36 am

Are you kidding? You accept some wild sleeper network theory with a sweeping “anything is possible” comment then ask me some mundane question about posting birth certificates??

http://www.djbcontractors.com/wm/inv/ID/birth/1…

There you go. I picked a name at random (“Larry”) then googled “larry's birth certificate”. Voila. I bet I could do it with “tom”, “dick” and harry”. So what conspiracy are THEY part of?

You casually accept the wildly implausible, and yet seem to think it's UNUSUAL to post personal documents on the Internet. Words fail me.


Matt
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:36 am

Yes, they did http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/28/polit…

That was 2 seconds on google. Do your homework.


Matt
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:45 am

Do you have any evidence at all to support such a claim?


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:46 am

“False. That system only applied to people who had children that were at least a year old but didn't have a birth certificate. Obama got his when he was four DAYS old.” WRONG

Try to get your facts straight. The parent had up to one year from the child's date of birth date to get a Certification of Live Birth. Hawaii was NOT supposed to issue a Certification after one year.

The article has it wrong. Go look at the document that Obama posted on his own website Fight-the-Smears. At the very top of the document in bold it says “Certification of Live Birth” NOT “Certificate”. Additionally, If you click on the link in the article it will take you to another article (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008…) that has an image and if you click on the image you can read the header. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.h…)


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:49 am

igotsix: Exactly right. I had a typewriter in high school which was like that. We also had no > or < , { or } or any of those characters. Some early typewriters didn't even have $ signs.

Spanish typewriters didn't advance the carriage when you typed a vowel, so you could type in an accent mark when necessary.

I was in Paris a few months ago and borrowed a friend's keyboard for some e-mails. Although they were still vaguely on the QWERTY system, I had a hard time with the locations of keys. She, my friend, thought I was stupid.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:52 am

I hear you loud and clear. I mean, how dare our president be able to read! And he's not just reading any old thing, he's reading words, too!

The fact that Republicans don't value literacy doesn't mean the rest of us feel the same way. We mocked Bush because his eight-year marathon of incompetence has left the nation worse off. The fact that he sounded like an inbred hick just made the mockery more fun.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:52 am

I stand corrected on the grammar error, clearly I made the original one, and my reply was more a grandfatherly chastisement hoping to prompt you to be more careful in the future. The quotes just caught my attention. I retract my criticism of it. I'm pleased that you do know grammar rules better than I mistakenly thought. I try not to make many, but posting in haste has its dangers. However, commas don't always go inside quotes. The comma goes outside the closing quote if the closing quote is around a single word or phrase prior to a conjunction and prior to “too”, as illustrated in the sentence you criticized — you're probably thinking of quotes in conversation ….we are really off topic. I'll make an effort to ignore pointing out grammar errors in posts from now on — and try not to make any myself — but your bigotry and intolerance are still showing.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:53 am

Fail.

Here's an easy one — Politifact.com and many other sources, including TWI itself, have reported on Lingle and her administration's Dept. of Health having confirmed repeatedly that Obama's COLB is authentic, making Obama Hawaiian by birth.

“Even the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican who at the time was stumping for John McCain, said it was on the up-and-up.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stateme…

I give you the politifact cite because of the “truth-o-meter” they use. Not that you'll be convinced, of course. Facts are not something you trade in.

Before you go, here's another quote. Read carefully for the words “born in Hawai'i.”

“Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real

Updated 5m ago

By Dan Nakaso, The Honolulu Advertiser

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated this afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-164760.html

You may have missed it, but the headline sort of clues you in – “Hawaii: Obama Birth Certificate is Real” means Hawai''i says his birth certificate is real.

Aren't facts and logic neat?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:55 am

Thanks, Matt. I was afraid I'd have to prove that computers exist or something to satisfy darpot The Mental Giant.


Matt
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:55 am

You do realize that Kenya is in Africa, right? Anyone with a website can claim anything. http://robertgibbsisthezodiackiller.com/ for example. But does “Kenneth The Lamb” at blogspot have any integrity for such claims? Besides, it wouldn't matter if Obama's parents were both 100% Arab, and he was a devote muslim. If he was born in this country (which he was, in Hawaii), and if he was fairly elected (and he was), then that is the end of it. He is the President of the United States.


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:56 am

quote from stephenperry ” …whatever it takes, just get that uppity nigger out of the White House”

As usual with Obama supporters anytime someone challenges, opposes, questions Obama, and the supporters have nothing logical or constructive to say they resort to insults and start playing the Race card.

Well, guess what it ain't going to work.

I give you three reasons I want to see Obama Impeached:
1) Obama has failed to meet the Eligibility requirements to be President as set forth in the Constitution. And, no one even your Messiah is above the law.
2) Obama is an empty suite with almost no leadership experience, and everyday that passes he demonstrates his inability to lead this Republic.
3) Obama is anti-America and is a Socialist.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:57 am

Hear, hear, especially as to the last sentence. Well-stated, raven. Please keep posting.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:57 am

What fresh hell is this?

Yeah, that family tree would soooo have gotten him into University of Alabama.

How about this: If you could drink at the white fountains pre-1964, you're not black. If you couldn't, then you are. It's that simple. Believe me, Obama would have been in the same line as all the rest.


SAM
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:02 am

On the one hand he has a BC on the internet for everyone to see, yet there is another BC locked in a vault in Hawaii that no one can see! That in and of itself legitimizes the elegibility question. However, for me, the BC question is moot because there is no question regarding the nationality of his Kenyan father. I wouldn't care if Obama was born in the White House Lincoln bedroom on the 4th of July!! At the time of his birth his Kenyan father was a British citizen which under British law automatically conferred British citizenship to his son Obama.. Even if his mother was able to confer her American citizen status to him, which btw she could not because she was too young, at best Obama would have been born with dual citizenship which is prohibited by the U.S. Constitution re. presidential elegibility.The requirement is natiral born WITHOUT dual citizenship, not natural born with dual citizenship!!! He was born ineligible to hold the office of POTUS!! In addition, by his own admission in his book he attended both Catholic and muslim schools in Indonesia. Indonesia is a muslim country which does not allow non-muslim non-Indonesian citizens to attend their muslim schools. This is why Obama's Indonesian school records list him as a muslim AND Indonesian citizen. At the time, Indonesia did not have duel citizenship with the U.S. The only way Indonesia would recognize Obama as an Indonesian citizen would be if he did not have U.S. citizenship, which he did not!! Finally, again as he wrote in his book, he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 as a college student. At the time Pakistan was not permitting Americans to enter their country. Therefore he could not have used an American passport. What passport did he use? Whichever passport it was it would have indicated him as being a citizen of THAT country, again disqualifying him as being elegibile to be POTUS!! His BC? A side issue, at best icing on the cake! He is constitutionally inelegible to be President. Every foreign leader knows it. The media knows it. Every member of congress knows it. But they are moral weaklings and political cowards too handcuffed by political correctness and a paralyzing fear of race riots to admit it. Nevertheless it will be revealed by a foreign entity as the ultimate terrorist act, he will be forced to resign, the country will convulse into chaos.


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:04 am

-”Good luck getting the FBI to investigate. They had enough of Obama when they did background checks on him before he became a Senator and before he became President.”-
+++++

Got any links that say the FBI actually did a background check on Obama?
Along with what level of clearance Obama got?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:04 am

What do I need to deal with or get over? Aren't YOU the birther?

Aren't YOU the one who needs to deal with and get over the fact that your man lost the Presidential election?

Aren't YOU the one whining about the left? I'm not whining about name-calling, doofus; you are.

I just pointed out the yawning chasm between mocking a grown man's inability to master subject-verb agreement (“Is our children learning”) and mocking another man's skin color.

Obama is indeed fair game. He's the President. But what about your “game” is “fair?”

You have no evidence, no credible argument for why no evidence supports you, no explanation for the evidence that controverts your suspicion, and no credible spokesperson to advance your non-explanation and non-arguments.

Yet you birthers persist in vile slurs and slanders against various and sundry politicians, government employees, journalists, foreign citizens, dead white women named Stanley, and anyone who disagrees with your decision to pout because a black guy beat a white guy in public and no one lynched the black guy.

Your game is weak. You don't even deserve to ride the pine. Hit the showers and find Larry Craig sitting in the bathroom with a “wide stance.”

Deal with it, get over it. Bush used teleprompters. Sarah Palin uses teleprompters. For that matter, Bush WORE A WIRE into the first debate with Kerry (the White House blamed the distinct bulge in the back of his suit, where the transmitter was, on the “White House tailor” who apparently couldn't fit the President for a suit without leaving a six inch by four inch box-shaped bulge between Bush's shoulder blades.

And Bush STILL GOT HIS ASS KICKED IN THAT DEBATE.

Sheesh.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:06 am

BIRTHER FAIL.

“The state of Hawaii and its Republican Governor have never stated that Obama was Born in Hawaii.”–darpot

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-…


Matt
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:06 am

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Do you have any?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:09 am

“However, for me, the BC question is moot because there is no question regarding the nationality of his Kenyan father.”

You don't understand basic citizenship law or the 14th Amendment.

What's the point in trying to get you to understand that Hawai'i considers the matter closed, because Hawai'i issues a COLB as its official birth certificate? Neither the State Dept. nor a private citizen has any recognizable interest in seeing anything beyond a COLB.

Of course, you're too busy blaming “Every foreign leader,” “the media,” and “every member of Congress” for not screaming “There's a colored man in the White House! Eek! Get him before he touches stuff!”

Republicans want to run Obama out of town on a rail. You think they would have let him get into office if they thought his birth certificate was faked?

Oh wait, you still think no one else but you knows that Obama's dad was not a citizen of the U.S.

Never mind. And never mind trying to make paragraphs out of your word blender of a post. No one is going to read it. Except for people like me, who enjoy pointing out the stupidity of racists.

Carry on.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:12 am

Why why why why?

Here's a question. Why do you get to question a legal Hawaiian document, and go on a fishing expedition through a person's life? It may surprise to you know that Presidents, as citizens, have some right to privacy.


TEWS_Pilot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:14 am

No, you asked a stupid question, so I gave you a scenario that has played out regarding sleeper cells. My question concerned the SPECIFIC Australian
birth certificate and whether permission had been obtained from its owner to blast it all over the internet and the consequences of its being submited in a
court of law in the US and the owner having to appear in court in a fraud case. Maybe you don't care to get to the truth about who Barack Obama actually
is, we already know he is a radical Marxist, fine with me, but I want to be certain the POTUS is NOT a foreign national…especially since all his policies are
those of a foreign dictator bent on destroying this country.

==============


Bob Robertson
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:16 am

TEWS_Pilot : Yes, with the owner's permission. For several years, in fact.


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:17 am

Yeah and that whole statement was blown out of the water, when the Hawaii Department of Health stated the following:
“*In 2001 – the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless.*Paper documents were discarded*The official record of Obama's birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Health Department told the Honolulu Star Bulletin, “At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.”
(Link: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/jon_kle…)

So unless Dr. Fukino had a time machine she could not have inspected Obama's original birth records as she claimed she did in Oct. 2008, because the paper records were discarded in 2001.

Somebody is lying.


Robard
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:17 am

Aplying the standard rule of forensics, cui bono? (who benefits?), the one inescapable conclusion is that the forgery wasn't the work of a true birther. One then has to ask what motivated the forger? Was it simply someone who saw the chance to make a quick buck or, more sinisterely, was it done to discredit the birther movement? It is hard to believe the former, since any reasonably intelligent person should have become immediately suspicious upon being offered the certificate in return for money. Therefore the forgery was quite likely foisted on the birther movement in order to discredit it. The question is why? If, indeed, Obama has nothing to hide, why take such a risk instead of simply leaving the birthers to stew in their own juice?

Another mystery is the circumstances of the discovery. What are the odds of someone discovering the original by chance or even, suspecting fraud, by diligently searching the internet? It seems much more likely that the the it was the forger himself who “discovered” the original and that it was the intention all along, which is why so many markers of the original were left in place on the forgery.


Name
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:17 am

So SAM if I understand you correctly, there isn't anything that would convince you, not a birth certificate, and not an explanation from a lawyer with an :LL.M in international law as to why your long-winded explanation is in short, nonsense.

Glad to know. Won't bother and try


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:18 am

Do you have any links that say you did not get arrested for committing lewd and unnatural acts with a tunafish sandwich?

It's beyond dispute that the FBI does background checks and the CIA issues security clearances.

Remember the Sotomayor hearings? On the 2nd day they went to a closed-door session…to review Sotomayor's FBI BACKGROUND CHECK.

SCOTUS judges, like ALL federal judges, get a background check.

Senators and Presidents, like ALL elected federal officials, get a background check.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee members, like ALL members of Congress who are privy to state secrets, get a special CIA security clearance.

I am tired of doing your homework for you, junior. You post the link that proves you didn't fuck a tunafish sandwich and I'll provide links explaining what is obvious to any middle-school student.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:19 am

“Yet you birthers persist in vile slurs and slanders against various and sundry politicians, government employees, journalists, foreign citizens, dead white women named Stanley, and anyone who disagrees with your decision to pout because a black guy beat a white guy in public and no one lynched the black guy.”

That's right – all dead white women must be treated as saints. Shame on me. Plus, it's common knowledge that being 50% White, 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% Negro means one is “black”. What a doofus.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:21 am

I hear that Adolph Hitler authored a very popular and influential book. And he had a near-genius IQ. Smooth-talking, charismatic politicians who read lots of racist and socialist books are da bomb.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:23 am

“Obama has failed to meet the Eligibility requirements”

According to who? You? Because the people and entities that decide that question decided that he met them. Take it up with Linda Lingle and the State of Hawaii.

You just want to keep ignoring the evidence that the LAW says is just fine. COLB is an official birth certificate, and it is prima facie evidence of the facts recited therein. Says so right on the face of the COLB.

Got anything to shift that burden of proof? That is what “prima facie” means anyway.

“Obama is an empty suite”

No. Obama is a person. He is not, to my knowledge, an unoccupied deluxe hotel accommodation.

I wrote plenty of logical and constructive things. I've posted all over this board and I have several hundred “points,” so people must have found something I said to be at least a little informative or useful.

When you present any facts, I will counter them with the same. Until then, you're just spinning like mad to avoid falling over. And I am satisfied with what I do to help you wobble.

“Obama is anti-America and is a Socialist.”

Yes. That's convincing. Got any links? LMAO.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:25 am

Dual citizenship is not a barrier to being natural-born, at least as far as Title 8, section 1401 of the US Code (i.e., the law) is concerned. You must be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States – which would exempt a diplomat's children. But you can be a dual citizen.

It's right there in the US Code.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:25 am

Exactly. Nothing can convince these folks.


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:26 am

Well at least I have been getting my facts right vs. the non-sense you keep posting. You supposedly had looked at Obama's posted image of his “Birth Certificate”; yet you could not even read that the Header on the document which said: “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH”


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:27 am

Or a birther was hoping to get away with it. Don't know why you would not consider that possibility. Sounds like the “No True Scotsman” fallacy to me.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:28 am

Why do you imagine Obama had anything do to with it? I'm quite certain large swathes of the Left would take (and are taking) merciless glee in confounding the birthers.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:31 am

Do you ever post anything you know two shits about?

“The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.”

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-re…

In case you missed it, that's the State of Hawaii confirming EXACTLY what I wrote above.

You quoted me and just wrote “WRONG” after the quote. Were you talking about yourself again?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:34 am

American Jews are conferred Israeli citizenship at birth because of their parents' religion. Does this mean Lieberman could not possibly be president, nor any Jew for that matter?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:35 am

No. Okubo did not say that originals were discarded. You’re just referring to an email CNN chief Jon Klein sent around referring to his own research.

Okubo corrected him in Hawai’i's newspaper:

“In 2001, Hawai’i's paper documents were reproduced in electronic format but “any paper data prior to that still exists,” Health Department spokeswoman Okubo said.

Okubo would not say where Obama’s original birth certificate is, but said “we have backups for all of our backups.”"

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090728/NEWS01/907280345/Hawaii+officials+confirm+Obama%27s+original+birth+certificate+still+exists

And look at the same article for proof that “original vital records” refers to the electronically-stored data.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:36 am

Knowing that SAM cannot be convinced by logic, fact, reason, or law, I will simply continue to mock the nonsense SAM sputters when questioned.

I don't expect to get anything out of SAM by doing so. But I do expect SAM to go to a town hall and bring his ziplock-bagged birth certificate along.

Just doing my part to keep Democratic candidates from having to spend money on advertising to get re-elected.

Plus, you have to admit it's fun to mock racists. You can't even pick on fat kids anymore.

This birther crap is your only politically-correct pinata, and I intend to whack it until the birthers' candy-assed reasoning spills out all over the place for us all to pick though and point at while laughing heartily.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:36 am

I agree. The birthers are just fishing for more info to create more conspiracies. That is all this is. The State of Hawaii has put this to bed a while ago.


Robard
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:37 am

Then the birthers are massively stupid. In what sense could they get away with it with such a high-profile victim who would just have happened to be the one person outside of the fraud definitely knowing that it was a fraud. That also leaves us with the question why Obama didn't immediately insitute proceedings against the fraudsters.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:38 am

“Therefore the forgery was quite likely foisted on the birther movement in order to discredit it. The question is why?”

Um, didn't you just answer your own stupid question?

Hint: it's the part where you wrote “in order to discredit it.”

Don't stay up all night trying to solve any more Big Mysteries of Time And Space.


Salt
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:38 am

I guess Presidents are the only citizens with a right to privacy because this email is being filtered by, you phone calls listened to, and your medical records collected by the government.

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Robard
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:39 am

That is a possibility. But why did Obama go along with it? Is it fitting for the President to indulge childish pranks?


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:40 am

Your first sentence nailed it.

And why would Obama get involved in any way, shape or form? He's a bit busy to be chasing down photoshop kiddies, don't you think?


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:44 am

So basically you have no proof that the FBI did a background check on Obama and has verified Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

And I know why you don't. Because back in 2008, I took the time to research into whether the FBI did look into Obama's claim of being born in Hawaii.

—————————————
CALLER – Do they perform background checks on candidates and fellows who are in Congress and the Senate and perhaps potential presidential candidates?.

FBI – The short answer is no. No we don’t, but they’re given top secret clearances because they’re members of Congress, or Senators, or even higher ranking officials.

HOST – Time out. There are no background checks from the FBI on the people that lead the country, the United States of America?

FBI – Let me emphasize, elected officials. This is a democracy, the people have elected an official to represent them in Washington, and we do not routinely run background checks on those people.

HOST – Even people running for president of the United States of America?

FBI – That’s correct.
—————————————
Note it says they are “Given” Top Security Clearance, meaning they are not vetted.

Link to update: http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpre…

Keep swilling that Kool-Aid!


Robard
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:44 am

The question is, why invent something in order to discredit the movement if there is nothing to hide? Surely it is then just a matter of time before they get to be shown up for a bunch of kooks?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:44 am

No one said dead white women must be treated as saints. Well, no one besides the Catholic Church.

A dead white woman you never met who did nothing to you except foist a President on you by giving birth to him before she died a painful lingering death from cancer is not necessarily a saint.

But that doesn't give birthers license to slander her and accuse her of anything from being a whore to being a criminal bent on breaking immigration law and defrauding newspapers by posting fake announcements so she could get on welfare (thanks for that argument, Orly!)

And indeed, it is common knowledge that a man with a single drop of Negro blood is “black.”

I don't expect you to know that this has been the historical test since before the Founding Fathers signed a document that said blacks are 3/5ths of a person.

The reason I don't expect you to know this is that I learned long ago that racists are STOOPID motherfuckers.

Doofus.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:45 am

Perhaps. But I assure you if *I* try and tap your phone, I'm going to jail. Citizens don't have all the powers of government.

Not that I agree with the whole FISA thing, mind you. But that's a different topic.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:46 am

Bzzt! Fail.

You've been cited for stealing too many lines from Orly Taitz. She did the Hitler thing and got called on it by David Shuster.

You also fail for impersonating a white person impersonating a black person. What's “da bomb” is meeting a white person who doesn't use black slang from 1987.


Robard
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:47 am

“He's a bit busy to be chasing down photoshop kiddies, don't you think?” Or “racist” cops, Portuguese waterdogs and hamburger photo-ops.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:47 am

Lol. Obviously Okubo got it wrong. It is pretty silly to assume someone lied. Are you accusing the Republican administration that backed McCain to bend over backwards to commit a conspiracy to keep Obama in office? Seriously?

Regardless, Fukino said what you said she did not say. Got it?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:49 am

“Dr. Fukino has zero credibility with me and many other people because of the contradiction and her previous vagueness in her Oct. 2008 statement.

If you and others want to go on her word at this point that is your choice but not mine.”

I showed you that there’s no contradiction. You’re just bent on your insane refusal to read a fucking document without slanting it to fit your conspiracy theory.

So, yes, I think I WILL take the word of the Hawai’ian government officials charged with maintaining the records over the word of a birther who cannot even read his own posts.

I would feel bad about mocking you people if you didn’t persist with obnoxious idiocy.

Enjoy the next 7.5 years. Although the subsequent 8 won’t suit you much better. I bet you don’t like Hillary either. Oh well. Sucks to be you.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:49 am

Yeah. You sure get your facts right like “The state of Hawaii and its Republican Governor have never stated that Obama was Born in Hawaii.”–darpot

Hahahaha.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:49 am

I'm not sure what you mean by “go along with”. I certainly don't expect him to post on DailyKos saying “Ok guys, now stop teasing the birthers”. Seriously, let him deal with important stuff, this is trivial internet boogery.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:51 am

You don't know who invented it.

If it was a non-birther, they could have done so just for the sheer joy of watching dumbfuck birther lawyers like Orly Taitz file it in court.

Do you ever ask yourself why people hack computer programs or write malicious code? Some of them do it JUST TO PROVE THEY CAN.

Of course, a non-birther could also have done it just to show how stupid birthers are. Or to show what a REAL forgery looks like.

A birther could have done it, just to expose the stupidity of Orly Taitz and get her out of the way so that the real “leading lights” of the birther movement could run the show.

But you aren't serious. Otherwise you wouldn't persist with the “matter of time before they get to be shown up for a bunch of kooks.”

Don't know how else to say this so I'll be blunt. The birthers have been shown to be nothing but kooks since the day Obama posted his birth certificate online. Shortly after that, but well before the Hawai'ian newspaper birth announcements were discussed in the media, birthers became commonly perceived to be nothing more than racist kooks.

Gee, this is getting to be fun again! There's a whole new crop of you chowderheads. And here I thought that being humiliated repeatedly in the media, even by conservative publications like WSJ and NRO, would make you go back to your Civil War re-enactments and Renaissance Faires.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Sorry, but your “Fail” comment is getting old and annoying. I don't think it's as cool and clever as you think it is. Even if it is, using it a thousand times lessens its impact.

“You've been cited for stealing too many lines from Orly Taitz. She did the Hitler thing and got called on it by David Shuster.”

I was not aware of that. Perhaps the “Hitler thing” is something that is unusually relevant to Obama and his autobiographies and his unthinking mass of fanatical followers and his charisma and use of lies. Nah, it must be that I copied Orly Taitz.

“You also fail for impersonating a white person impersonating a black person. What's 'da bomb' is meeting a white person who doesn't use black slang from 1987.”

And how do you know that I'm a white person? Are you psychic? Besides, “da bomb” is still in use within some non-white communities today; and even if it wasn't, its slangish meaning was and is quite recognized, even by someone like you.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:55 am

cop thing = politics
hamburger = good PR
the dog = when you're a father you'll understand

birthers = toxic nonsense. Frankly, most of us posting here are only doing it for some sort of shameless catharsis. Even the *GOP* is embarassed by those kooks, and you expect Obama to get involved? I mean, really.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:57 am

Oh, now you've done it.

SAM is catatonic somewhere anticipating the possibility of a Jewish “OMG dual citizen” President.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:59 am

“But why did Obama go along with it?”

You have a fascinating habit of assuming spectacularly improbable facts.

Do you even CARE that you have no evidence whatsoever that ANYONE in the Obama Administration, much less Obama himself, knew about the forgery of the Kenyan birth certificate before Orly Taitz posted it online?

You can direct that “childish pranks” thing to your frat boy beer-drinkin' buddy, Dubya.

For all you know, BUSH is the one who forged the birth certificate. As long as you're making up outlandish shit and writing about it in a somber voice (“Is it fitting for the President to indulge childish pranks?”), may as well say something interesting.

You know, you birthers really crack me up.

You think Obama is omnipotent. You think he hears every conversation before a word is spoken and that he knows if you've been naughty or nice.

He kicked McCain's ass in the election.

No Republican official has the balls to say to a television camera that his obviously forged COLB is forged. No Republican has the guts to say he's not a citizen because his dad was not a citizen. No Republican has the guts to demand to see his kindergarten records.

And yet, you think that you're going to be able to beat him by whining in left-wing comment boards?

Reminds me of Batman Returns. Morgan Freeman's character shuts down the M&A lawyer who discovered Bruce Wayne's secret:

“Let me get this straight. You think your boss, one of the world's richest men, spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands. And your plan is to BLACKMAIL this person? Good luck!”

Keep on sniffing your fingers and lighting each other's farts. You're sure to bring about a Constitutional crisis one of these days, losers.


Robard
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:59 am

Surely you don't want a President who turns a blind eye to crimes, as forgery is? On the other hand, this is perhaps small potatoes compared to his profitable dealings with the shady Tony Rezko.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:02 am

Rezko?

Halliburton. Blackwater.

Fail.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:06 am

Hmm, you have a point there. I saw them bust that crime ring in New Jersey and Obama was NOWHERE to be seen What a slacker!

You do realize that Presidents don't actually *arrest* people? They have, what do you call them…oh, police and federal agents to handle crime?

Come on, the “blind eye to crime” bit was sort of weak sauce. If you're going to be ironic, put some effort into it.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:06 am

“shameless catharsis”

Oh no, there's lots of shame involved in being a birther.

I don't know what you mean about catharsis. I'm not in this to be transformed or relieved of anything. I'm just in it to mock dumbasses who don't understand they're being mocked half the time.

Well, that and it pisses me off royally that these people try to divide and distract us at a time of economic peril and military strain. Not as though we could be focusing on things like health care and employment or anything.

No, no, let's have a Congressional investigation into whether Hawai'i is lying. Surely Hawai'i just hasn't looked closely enough at the records to notice the part where Obama admits to being a black guy.


douglasjbender
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:10 am

“No one said dead white women must be treated as saints….”

Well, you are all beginning to ACT like at least Stanley Ann Dunham should be treated as some sort of saint.

“A dead white woman you never met who did nothing to you except foist a President on you by giving birth to him before she died a painful lingering death from cancer is not necessarily a saint.”

Therefore, I should not form an opinion about her based on her own words, the words of her friends, and her own actions? At least if that opinion is not positive?

“But that doesn't give birthers license to slander her and accuse her of anything from being a whore to being a criminal bent on breaking immigration law and defrauding newspapers by posting fake announcements so she could get on welfare (thanks for that argument, Orly!) “

I have not accused Stanley Ann Dunham of having been a whore (nor have I said she was not); and I have not accused her of being “a criminal bent on breaking immigration law and defrauding newspapers” – rather, I have stated that she MIGHT have fraudulently claimed that Barack was born in Hawaii, when he might have actually been born in Kenya. She might have done this only thinking that it was what was best for Barack, without any primary intent on “breaking immigration law and defrauding newspapers” (it would have been a “secondary intent” in that she would likely have realized that would be the result).

“And indeed, it is common knowledge that a man with a single drop of Negro blood is 'black.' “

Amazing. If that's the case, there's a good possibility that many white people who have had blood transfusions are actually “black”. But your above comment is so foolish as to hardly deserve a response – but I will respond anyway, if only for the sake of others who might be reading. By your logic, it would also follow that “a man with a single drop of [Caucasian] blood” is “white”. Which would make Obama the first “Black and White” President ever.

“I don't expect you to know that this has been the historical test since before the Founding Fathers signed a document that said blacks are 3/5ths of a person.”

References or actual evidence of the veracity of your claim regarding that being the “historical test”, and the unstated implication that it still holds today, would be nice, but not expected.

“The reason I don't expect you to know this is that I learned long ago that racists are STOOPID motherfuckers.”

Don't be so hard on yourself. I think it's possible that not all racists are attracted to their mothers. But just in case, perhaps you should avoid family reunions.

“Doofus.”

I know who you are. You don't need to sign your posts.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:13 am

Absolutely. “Show us your records” can loosely be translated as “we've worn out the old talking points, we need new ones!”.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:14 am

Forgive me for prying, but you rarely meet anyone who so casually admits to acute paranoia.

Do you think the government is reading your text messages begging your ex-girlfriend to let you come over and cuddle with her?

Are you convinced your Grandma's birthday card had a $5 in it before the CIA intercepted your mail?

Have you ever noticed a “click” when you're on a telephone call and realized that the National Security Agency is getting sloppy when it listens in on your discussions of who really should have won America's Next Top Model?

Do you think Obama reads your medical records before deciding whether to allow you to enter a federal building?

Pass the tinfoil hat. I have some barbed wire and black sunglasses I can give you.


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:15 am

-”I just pointed out the yawning chasm between mocking a grown man's inability to master subject-verb agreement (“Is our children learning”) and mocking another man's skin color.”-
You played the race card and just admitted.

The poster is white faced because of the white face used by the Joker.
(http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgmp0907+why-so-ser…)
People like you would have played the race card even if the creator of the poster had changed the white face to black. And in that case I might agree.

—————

-”You have no evidence, no credible argument for why no evidence supports you, no explanation for the evidence that controverts your suspicion, and no credible spokesperson to advance your non-explanation and non-arguments.”-
Blah, Blah, Blah. Getting in a Tis…

—–

-”Your game is weak. You don't even deserve to ride the pine. Hit the showers and find Larry Craig sitting in the bathroom with a “wide stance.”-
Yep, nothing left to say, so start with the Insults.
RoFL


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:21 am

Do you ever write anything you know anything about?

I will be glad to read it, if so.

Until then, keep doing what you're doing. You're a breath of fresh air.

I never said YOU said anything about Obama's mom, stupid. I said “birthers.” If you need me to search the threads at this website to find the birthers' own revolting words, say so.

You don't know the one drop of black blood rule? Wow. Even fucking Wikipedia knows that…

“In its most extreme form in the United States, hypodescent was the basis of the “one drop rule”, meaning that if a person had one drop of black blood, he was considered to be black. New laws arose long after the end of slavery, such as the Virginia's 1924 Act for the “Preservation of Racial Integrity”, which defined as white a person with “no trace whatsoever of any blood other than Caucasian.” This may have been in reaction to general social tensions of the post-WWI years, and to increasing agitation by African Americans to regain civil rights.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypodescent

You're too stupid to be interesting anymore. Apologies if I no longer take the time to give you specific personal attention. I will continue to mock you generally as one standout in an all-star class of birthers.

You're better off if I leave you alone. You need a chance to rebuild your self-esteem after getting your ass handed to you repeatedly like this. Too bad there's no mercy rule on liberal blogs like there is in t-ball.

Dumb. Ass.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:22 am

Fake BCs & COLBs do not change the actual location of Obama's birth or that he was a dual-citizen before he became Indonesian. His adoption and namechange were beyond the juvenile Soetoro's control. Stannie didn't want the kid home all day and he had to be Indonesian for the school system to babysit him. Giving birth in Kenya, at least two uncircumcised third-world sex-partners, no wonder Stannie died of ovarian cancer. If the Usurper resigns now his presidency, appointments, etc. might not get nullified. He should grant Bill Clinton a full pardon for his perjury conviction and all the other crimes he was accused of.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:27 am

Dumbass.

I never said the joker thing was about race. You did.

If you want to deny that the racist emails and racist “jokes” about Obama that have been circulating on the right-wing are not about race, go for it.

Until then, you're just proving me right. You're a dumbass. Wish I could give a shit.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:30 am

Dumb ass.

I hope you find my posts annoying. Get out there to a town hall meeting and complain about that too.

I never said you were a white person. I said you fail for impersonating a white person.

You failed reading comprehension too.

Aren't there any birthers out there worth mocking? Even naturalborn, AristotletheHun, Tuci78, d2i, kwiley123, RandWulf could understand, most of the time, written English.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:36 am

Read the ARTICLE that TWI posted again. It says “certificate of live birth.”

“Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-…

Did you see where it says “certificate of live birth?”

Good. Now get back to making up gibberish.

If you want to argue with Hawai'ian officials that's fine. But stop arguing with what your eyes see.

In fact, that's the birthers' whole problem. They constantly try to deny reality.

Good luck with that.


darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:45 am

You played the race card with the following:
–”When the left mocks Bush for being White, you can bitch.”

The Left has been using this tactic since it came down to Obama & McCain. If you were not for Obama you were labeled or called a Racist.


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:47 am

Dual citizenship is fine. US Code, Title 8, section 1401. Sole jurisdiction at birth is all that's required.

Hawaiian officials have specifically confirmed the location of his birth (give you one guess).

Glad that's all cleared up!

(agree about Clinton though)


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:55 am

No one is lying. Except you. Hard to tell. You could just be stupid. I'm feeling charitable. I'll go with that.

Okubo said she viewed the “original vital records.” These are stored electronically and these are the records used to generate a COLB when an official birth certificate is requested. She didn't say she reviewed the hard copy of the original. Nor did she ever say the originals were discarded. They have the originals. You just cannot see them. Sucks, huh?

Have you ever used an electronic doo-hickey to look at stuff? Some call it a “computer.”


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:57 am

That is not playing the race card. You're silly and disingenuous.

There is a distinct difference between the mockery of Bush and the mockery of Obama.

It is the RACIST jerks who send around emails and other offensive “jokes” that are playing the race card.

Your argument would be the same as telling a rape victim that she is playing the gender card.

Grow up.


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darpot
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:26 am

Original records does not mean electronic version.
If she meant an