Is This the Source of the Forged ‘Kenyan Birth Certificate?’

[...] A possible source of the Kenyan birth certificate… Kenyan Certificate: Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate An Australian Certificate: http://www.bomford.net/worcestershir…hCertDoc65.jpg …many similarities. News Source: The Washington Independent Is This the Source of the Forged ‘Kenyan Birth Certificate?’ [...]

[...] # 2: It appears that this whole damn thing is a bogus fraud. The Washington Independent has the scoop. (H/T AllahPundit): One of my friends in the small community of Obama [...]

[...] Update: Thanks to more comments on TRSOL, the WashingtonIndependent site takes note: [...]

“under Hawaiian Law in 1961 you could be born on MARS and get a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth,”

Yes, but it would say you were born on MARS.

Epic Fail.

[...] Weigel points to a document which looks like it may be the template that was used to create the Obama document: – The design is identical, down to the seal at the top and the classifications (”Christian [...]

Apologies. I clicked the link and it didn’t work — something related to my browser, I think. I have resolved it and now see the link.

The other poster (going by the legitimate-sounding moniker “A”) just directs people to politijab dot com. No specific page. So I doubted that there’s any real motive besides driving traffic to your chosen website.

The other times I have looked at posts like yours, it’s a trick to get me to look at porn that isn’t worth a free look or some such thing.

Thanks for the concern, but I’m certain that my dusty old dictionary is still serving me faithfully. I just this minute got accused by a doofus on this thread of winning a spelling bee as a child.

Apologies, as noted above.

You speak truth to delusional birthers?

So do I. I just don’t bother to sugar-coat that truth for those racist xenophobic lying cowards who won’t stop hiding behind this nonsense about a birth certificate.

[...] Office” on August 5, 1961, a Saturday when the office would have been closed. Late Monday evening, TWI reported that the certificate had significant similarities to an unrelated Australian birth certificate, [...]

[...] Great Source for Birth Certificates Published August 3, 2009 Media Leave a Comment Tags: Birthers Just in case you can’t find your original copy. [...]

How would he not be qualified if born in the US?

He’s old enough.

Please site what would disqualify him.

Proove it or shut up.

[...] [...]

[...] It was Australian. God I love the internets. [...]

[...] It was Australian. God I love the internets. [...]

Because he’s shown us the birth certificate; the rest you’re asking for is irrelevant. Who cares what his high school records say? Is there any doubt that he was going to school in Hawaii as a teenager? Law office records are privileged, lawyers show them to no one.

I really don’t understand this mania about Obama’s papers.

[...] The rest is here: Is This the Source of the Forged #39;Kenyan Birth Certificate?#39; | The b…/b [...]

What makes you think that? The “certificate of live birth” that has been presented makes no statement as to “WHERE” the birth took place.

You’re right, he’s not an American citizen. He’s United States citizen. America is a continent.

[...] [...]

Prove your assertions.

Prove your assertions.

[...] looks as though David Weigel at Washington Independent has found the source of the so-called “Kenyan birth certificate” that Orly Taitz is [...]

“Obama HATES America in it’s traditional form”

That comment pretty much says it all. Define traditional form. Pre-civil war America? America as an agrarian society? The era of McCarthyism? Pre-civil rights movement deep southern society?
Or simply maintaining the status quo and perpetuating the mindset that it’s a “white man’s world”?

“Obama HATES America in it’s traditional form”

That comment pretty much says it all. Define traditional form. Pre-civil war America? America as an agrarian society? The era of McCarthyism? Pre-civil rights movement deep southern society?
Or simply maintaining the status quo and perpetuating the mindset that it’s a “white man’s world”?

Eugenia, that is the wrong response to this gentleman. The correct response is, “Shut the fuck up, LoneWacko*!”

*That is his real moniker.

Eugenia, that is the wrong response to this gentleman. The correct response is, “Shut the fuck up, LoneWacko*!”

*That is his real moniker.

Dufus.

The Annenbergs were conservatives w/respect to their political ties, but they set up the Annenberg Foundation as a philanthropic organization to provide funding for public school education throughout the nation. It was in this scenario that they have a connection to Obama. He was a member of a community group working toward providing educational resources to inner city schools in Chicago.

“Guilt by association” is a very easy, yet extremely malicious and disingenuous game to play. Palin learned that lesson the hard way with her fear and hate-mongering “palling around with terrorists” remarks that caused her to lose favor with the majority of American voters.

Dufus.

The Annenbergs were conservatives w/respect to their political ties, but they set up the Annenberg Foundation as a philanthropic organization to provide funding for public school education throughout the nation. It was in this scenario that they have a connection to Obama. He was a member of a community group working toward providing educational resources to inner city schools in Chicago.

“Guilt by association” is a very easy, yet extremely malicious and disingenuous game to play. Palin learned that lesson the hard way with her fear and hate-mongering “palling around with terrorists” remarks that caused her to lose favor with the majority of American voters.

LAME .. no pic, nothing. Is this a joke?

Lame .. no pics, nothing. Is this a joke?

[...] It was Australian. God I love the internets. [...]

Did you click the link zax? That they tried to pass that kenyan nonsense off as legit is indeed a joke.

It didn't have pretty pictures. Zax can't read, apparently. Must be a birther.

So you are saying that just as porkpie Gibbs and other flaks decided to talk about the “birther” issue because even that is more comfortable than talking about Obama's lies, dropping polls, and failed policies, they then created a fake Kenyan birth certificate?

To deflect attention from the fact that we still have not seen his transcripts, client lists, passports,or American birth certificate?

“7s 6d No. 495″ is identical on both as well. Date of Registration and Date Entered are 4 days apart on both.

So… are we now saying that is Obama actually Australian?

My head hurts. =D

This whole story needs to die.

No, we're saying you've SEEN his American [sic] birth certificate. It's the one from Hawaii Elmer. “America” doesn't issue birth certificates (your nutty friend from Delaware notwithstanding). States issue them. Hawaii issued one to Barack Obama when he was born there. They have confirmed this. They have *repeatedly* stated that he was born there and is, therefore, a Natural Born Citizen, and thanks to our Constitution, they get to make that determination.

And you have absolutely NO reason to, or need to, see his transcripts, client lists, passport, etc. I'm pretty sure you weren't clamoring to see George W. Bush's National Guard records when THEY went missing, were you? Didn't think so. So you can STFU now about the President's transcripts, client lists (seriously? His CLIENT LISTS? WTF??) etc.

Now, if you'd like to try facts for a change, feel free to post some of these “lies” and “failed policies” you prattle on about. In 6 months it's pretty hard to say a policy is “failed.” We're pretty sure about the ones from the past 8 years though.

Not too convincing. Australia and Kenya were both Commonwealth nations and inherited a lot of forms from their colonial days. But really, it's so easy to forge a birth record that I'm going to believe the Hawaii births registrar when she says the Hawaii certificate is the real deal, not some completely unvetted Kenyan document. After all, I just “proved” (follow my link above) that Obama was born in a foreign country called “Louisiana” to two parents also born there and should thus be deported, see how easy it is with a bit of Photoshop? :)

Brilliant find! That's pretty obviously the source doc.

[...] the rest here: The Washington Independent » Is This the Source of the Forged … Tags: document, fact, forge-the-obama, Technology, though-not [...]

Do you know what a “link” is?

Busted!

Poor Orly. Hope she enjoys her vacation in Israel.

“So far, Congress has not passed
any law that defines “natural born citizen”. In 1790, Congress passed the
Naturalization Act of 1790, which extended the meaning of “natural born citizen”
to include the foreign-born children of U.S.-citizen parents”

You went from zero to self-contradicting in two sentences, dude.

“but Congress never again passed any law that explicitly
clarified, defined or extended the meaning of natural born citizenship.”

False- the Immigration and Nationality Act does just that, and it was passed in the 1950s.

“To summarize, we know for sure that persons born in the U.S., of parents who are
U.S. citizens, are definitely, without doubt, natural born citizens. So far, the
Supreme Court has not decided whether natural born citizenship also includes
U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents.”

And until SCOTUS decides that it does NOT include such people, the statutory law stands. That’s 8 USC 1401, which explicitly includes people in Obama’s situation. See, that’s a pretty big misunderstanding of SCOTUS, until it rules a law invalid, the law IS VALID- it’s not in some Schroedinger’s Cat half-life kinda thing.

So yeah, we DO know, for sure, that Obama is a natural born citizen. If SCOTUS comes out with a different ruling (And they never, ever will), then it’s only going to be because they CHANGE the definition of “natural born citizen”.

And they even cost the same: 7 shillings and sixpence. I can do better than that.

I think the legal term here is oppsies. I'm guessing the federal judge in her case isn't going to find this all that amusing.

The above discovery courtesy of a Politijab.com researcher who found the template document!

see the whole story at the politijab.com forum.

“One of my friends in the small community of Obama “birther”-debunkers…”

Politijab.com!!!!!!!!!!!

Full story about the original document that Dave refers to can be found at: http://politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&…

The poster who goes by Koyaan is the guy who found the original Bomford document. He did an amazing sleuth job. Credit where credit is due… and it's definitely due here.

That Louisiana one that you have on your blog is pretty good. The second one is just…funny. The loony troll that posted there, priceless.

No, zax, YOU are the joke!

Why do you people keep trying to deceive others into looking at unrelated websites by lying about what's at your link?

What kind of cretin are you?

Can you not find someone who will let you dance around with a giant arrow at intersections, directing people to sales on major appliances?

God that's funny.

Imagine….the birthers are relying on a Russian immigrant woman with an online law degree to 'save the Republic'.

“Stephen”, “Stephen”,

We speak truth to delusional birthers.

It's hardly “unrelated”. It's the actual information that Dave WROTE HIS ARTICLE ABOUT. If that's unrelated in your book, then you need a new dictionary. ;)

[...] Apparently, Obama has a little more Australian in him than previously [...]

Well it's not impossible! {/sarc}

Many of you are missing the MAIN point, the point is the total lockdown of ALL pertinent Obama documents. His birth certificate, his college admissions forms, his HIGH SCHOOL records, law office records, ect ect ect — he has totally hidden all records from his past WHY???????
And the same people that have a problem with those of us that question all of this are the very same people that absolutely believed those phony forged George Bush Air Force documents
The MSM and and their followers!!
p.s. I DO believe he is U.S. citizen, just want to know why the secrecy

*Birthers are thinly veiled as the new : “Koo Koo Kux Klan”. I feel very ashamed that this still exists in the 21 Century. We have a Very Qualified Black President ( U-can disagree with his policies but not his Legitimacy as our President). I think the Birhters have aborted Logic and replaced it with *Racism. If you believe BHO is not the Legal President of the USA. You were most Likely raised in a Racist environment and taught to hate!
Please step away from teaching & Preaching Hate.

the embossed “seal” looks too small, as well. Kind of looks like they rubbed the paper over a coin to make it look like an embossed seal.

None of this changes the need for Obama to produce the vault records that the State of Hawaii has announced they are holding. Those records will confirm or not Obama's claim he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. The COLB is on par with the Kenyan birth certificate. Both on their own prove nothing. We all know the State of Hawaii has the vault birth records, and we all know Obama is refusing to release the records. This issue will continue until Obama stops hiding whatever it is he does not want to come out. Whether it is something embarrassing, or if it shows he lied (for example the records say he was born at home with no witnesses) all needs to come out. This should have been done by the Democratic Party before they placed his name on the primary ballot.

I like where they crossed out dog and wrote cat in with a crayon

Obama is not an American citizen. No amount of nonsense denial can change that.

I love how birthers are happy to use some Swiss philosophers (not legally binding and not the definition until after the Constitution was written) definition of Natural-born citizen that hasn’t been argued by the Supreme Court but they turn around and scream at Sotomayor and other judges for even checking actual international case law (also not binding but a lot more important than some Swiss guy’s ramblings about citizenship). IOKIYAR.

“The COLB is on par with the Kenyan birth certificate”
Except the Kenyan government says the Kenyan birth certificate is a forgery and the United States government says the COLB is real. Other than that, you're right, the two documents are exactly on par.

President Obama doesn't have to show you spit. Why don't you show us something to back up your allegations. Oh, that's right, you don't have any proof, do you?

paulnashtn

If you can find ANY of the documents you reference for the Previous President or for that matter any President in the last 60 years you let me know

i guess when your like WAY WACKY, you fail to realize that level headed people might pick your silly little scheme to pieces. great work. for anybody to actually believe that the old white men in power would allow such a falsehood to continue is in itself pretty stupid. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT THE REAL REASON FOR THESE BIRTHERS IS THAT THEY ARE RACIST TO THE CORE AND CANNOT STAND THAT FACT THAT WE –THE GOOD OLD UNITED STATES OF AMERICA–NOW HAS A BLACK MAN AS PRESIDENT.

i guess when your like WAY WACKY, you fail to realize that level headed people might pick your silly little scheme to pieces. great work. for anybody to actually believe that the old white men in power would allow such a falsehood to continue is in itself pretty stupid. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT THE REAL REASON FOR THESE BIRTHERS IS THAT THEY ARE RACIST TO THE CORE AND CANNOT STAND THAT FACT THAT WE –THE GOOD OLD UNITED STATES OF AMERICA–NOW HAS A BLACK MAN AS PRESIDENT.

So many mistatements packed in this post. Lets deconstruct them and help our slow friend, Clem:

You realize it was the democrat party, after the Civil War that created the Klu Klux Klan, correct?

*** You realize that Party ideology can evolve (or devolve in the case of the modern Republican Party) over time, right? You probably would have been a Democrat 150 years ago and I would have been the Republican calling you on your BS trashtalking of Lincoln.

You also realize it was a Republican, Abe Lincoln who freed the slaves, correct?

*** See above. If Lincoln were alive today, which Party do you think he’d identify with? Doubtful it would be the Southern Old White Male Corporate Sponsored Republican Party…he was from Illinois, after-all.

You also realize that it was the Republicans who helped LBJ pass Civil Rights legislation while the democrats fought against it, correct?

***Excellent point! Back then, the Republican Party had moderates and even liberals. Back before the great purge and the long march back into obscurity. It was a coalition of progressives in both Parties that brought forth the Civil Rights legislation. If we had to pass Civil Rights legislation today, Republicans would be filibustering it.

You also realize that Republican Dr Martin Luther King was murdered by democrat James Earl Ray, correct?

***Yes, he was a Southern Dixiecrat, but, more importantly, he was a racist.

You also realize that the democrat party still have a very prominent Klan member in the US Senate, correct? Robert C Byrd of WV to be exact.

*** Amazing that people can change, eh? There’s hope for you, yet.

The democrat party founded the Ku Klux Klan as a domestic terrorist arm with the goal of destroying the Republican party. Go read some history.

***True, Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Confederate General who was a Democrat….what Party would old Nathan be hooked up with today? The Party of Barack Obama or Jeff Sessions? Think real hard about this one, Clem.

No one gives a damn that Obama is black, or half black, or actually half white, almost half Arab, with some black.

***Well, except you do – “He is also an evil bastard intent on destroying our great nation.”. C’mon…let your racist freak flag fly. You know you really hate black folks…I can almost hear Nathan channeling you…..

What we care about is Obama is an America hating communist bent on destroying everything good about America and turning it into a communist state. He is pure evil and has wiped his ass with the Constitution. He is intent on destroying liberty and freedom.

*** After having lived through the last administration’s trillion dollar taxcut for the rich, asleep at the wheel on 9/11, starting an illegal/immoral war based on lies, letting a US city drown, and implementing the most serious destruction of civil liberties… excuse me while I laugh at your concern about the Constitution. And please give us details on how Obama is turning us into a Communist state. I thought he was turning us into an Islamofacist Caliphate? Communism is pretty passe. But if Obama creates 24MM new jobs, like Clinton did…..maybe we could learn to love it, Comrade Clem!

All I know is Barack Obama has spent almost $1 million dollars with the law firm Perkins-Coie defending himself in all of the dozens of eligibility cases. Obama could get a certified copy of his original long form birth certificate for $10!

***All I know is that you have no idea what legal fees are generated to run a 50 state Presidential campaign. Did you figure this talking point out on your own, Clem?

Why then has he spent a million bucks, so far, when in September of 2007, when DEMOCRAT Phillip Berg filed the first lawsuit, he could have ended this for $10?

**Maybe he likes pulling your chain, Clem. Maybe he knows that no proof will ever satisfy birfers like you Clem. Maybe he wants to drive you bonkers, Clem.

Doesn’t make sense to me either.

***Having read your post, I understand why nothing makes sense to you, Clem.

Obama is a poseur and a usurper.

***You are racist, Clem. A sad, pathetic rube that is being exploited by corporate lobbyists to vote/act against your best interests. You are being manipulated by the same folks that have been cleaning out this country for decades and you aren’t bright enough to figure it out.

He is also an evil bastard intent on destroying our great nation.

***You are racist, Clem. A sad, pathetic rube that is being exploited by corporate lobbyists to vote/act against your best interests. You are being manipulated by the same folks that have been cleaning out this country for decades and you aren’t bright enough to figure it out.

Here’s more on Perkin-Coie

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jromano/2009/...

http://texas4palin.blogspot.com/2009/07/latest-...

Oh, and here is a video Barack Obama does NOT want you to see. They were going to IMPEACH Richard Nixon for a hell of a lot less that what he is involved in here. Especially with the payoffs.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13302

***You’re right Nixon would have been impeached for crimes he committed had he not had the good sense to put Gerald Ford in, resign, and then get himself pardoned. Everything else, is just unmitigated BS.

Barack Obama will prove to be one of the greatest Presidents this country has elected. It’ll drive you mad, Clem, but you’ll just have to remain on the short bus and let the adults handle the driving.

You realize it was the democrat party, after the Civil War that created the Klu Klux Klan, correct?

You also realize it was a Republican, Abe Lincoln who freed the slaves, correct?

You also realize that it was the Republicans who helped LBJ pass Civil Rights legislation while the democrats fought against it, correct?

You also realize that Republican Dr Martin Luther King was murdered by democrat James Earl Ray, correct?

You also realize that the democrat party still have a very prominent Klan member in the US Senate, correct? Robert C Byrd of WV to be exact.

The democrat party founded the Ku Klux Klan as a domestic terrorist arm with the goal of destroying the Republican party. Go read some history.

No one gives a damn that Obama is black, or half black, or actually half white, almost half Arab, with some black.

What we care about is Obama is an America hating communist bent on destroying everything good about America and turning it into a communist state. He is pure evil and has wiped his ass with the Constitution. He is intent on destroying liberty and freedom.

All I know is Barack Obama has spent almost $1 million dollars with the law firm Perkins-Coie defending himself in all of the dozens of eligibility cases. Obama could get a certified copy of his original long form birth certificate for $10!

Why then has he spent a million bucks, so far, when in September of 2007, when DEMOCRAT Phillip Berg filed the first lawsuit, he could have ended this for $10?

Doesn't make sense to me either.

Obama is a poseur and a usurper.

He is also an evil bastard intent on destroying our great nation.

Here's more on Perkin-Coie

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jromano/2009/…

http://texas4palin.blogspot.com/2009/07/latest-…

Oh, and here is a video Barack Obama does NOT want you to see. They were going to IMPEACH Richard Nixon for a hell of a lot less that what he is involved in here. Especially with the payoffs.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13302

You would think, Doc3 , that this would be all the more reason why Obama should produce his vault copy of his BC, to end all this hoax BS, and for us to move on to other things, after all if Obama is indeed a “natural born citizen” then the vault copy will PROVE it. I believe that Obama's people themselves are keeping this going to distract from the HORRIBLE job Obama is doing and to distract attention from the direction of socialism this country is headed toward under Obama.

It's the only theory that makes sense.

I haven't believed he is a ligitimate candidate when he was running for the primary nomination.

Maybe he was born in Hawaii, that doesn't automatically make him qualified either. He can be the biggest fraud and threat to the nation we have ever seen- despite being black.

I believe your the racist.

I haven't believed he is a ligitimate candidate when he was running for the primary nomination.

Maybe he was born in Hawaii, that doesn't automatically make him qualified either. He can be the biggest fraud and threat to the nation we have ever seen- despite being black.

I believe your the racist.

Think there’s a correlation between poor spelling/grammar and birfism? I do.

Kevin Lately said: “I think the Birhters have aborted Logic and replaced it with *Racism. If you believe BHO is not the Legal President of the USA. You were most Likely raised in a Racist environment and taught to hate!”

Are you stuck on stupid? Did it ever occur to you that such resentment and conspiracy mongering would have existed no matter who won the Presidency? Be it Barack Uh-uh-uh-bama, Hillary Clinton, or John McCain.

Don't believe it? Does “Vincent Foster and the trail of bodies” ring a bell? How about the fact that MORE DEMOCRATS believed Bush was complacent in 9-11 than Republicans who doubt Obama's country of birth?

So are you really that stupid that you think this is about racism? Or maybe it's because we've been saddled with a socialist who has never held a real job, unless you count being a disciple of Saul Alinsky and William Ayers…maybe THAT is why people want to embrace a theory that questions his legitimacy.

If you still think it's racism, do yourself a favor. Don't vote. Don't breed. Don't breath.

Never held a real job?

He was a law firm associate at a large Chicago firm. He was also a law professor at the top law school in the country, for 12 years. Do you even know what you're talking about or do you just make things up as you go along?

YOU ARE A DAMN RACIST, get ver yourslef with your RACIST RANTS. You ever think that some people believe in teh rule of Law and the Consitution?

[...] More here: The Washington Independent » Is This the Source of the Forged … [...]

To think like Doc3 and the rest of the birfers, you believe a Russian/Israeli emigrant and some unauthenticated document over the official State document of Hawaii. It’s very strange that these people who claim to love America so much, hate their fairly elected President, hate the 60MM people who voted for President Obama, hate Hawaiians – but love a lone nut baggess woth a heavy peroxide dyejob.

A shame Orly can’t run for President in 2012. :-0

The party is over… What a major pwnage

The party is over… What a major pwnage

LOL, you guys will believe anything.

The damn fold lines don't even match
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

thanks for taking the bait you fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name one legal opinion he authored. Oh, snap! Got you there, didn't I?

And he was little more than a guest lecturer at University of Chicago Law School, hardly a “law professor”. It was during this time he was a…ahem…”community organizer”, Bill Ayers partner at Woods, AND Illinois State Senator who was also trying to run as U.S. Representative AND U.S. Senator. He was no law “professor”, and you're damn gullible to believe it.

Stop reading his glorified bio and think for yourself.

Oh, socialism? Evil, evil. Get a grip, America – so-called “free market” capitalism has crashed and burned for 95% of Americans.

A mixed economy is the way forward. Doesn't have to be full-blooded socialism, or even as advanced as Japan's. But you've had socialism for years – like it or not. State-financed weapons industries, state-supported airlines and transport, government-funded roads, education, etc.

A little compassion from Americans, rather than the random psychopathic violence visited round the world, would go a long way to restoring the USA to a place worthy of respect.

You do realize that all those Kluxers and garden variety racists in the “Democrat” party bolted to the Republicans after the Dems passed the Civil Rights Act legislation in the '60's? Right?

Good riddance.

Ah, Obama's destroying your freedom? Just like GWB maintained your “freedom” with the “PATRIOT” Act, etc.? Get a grip on reality, man. Start taking the meds again – they might help you.

Don't disagree about the D vs R 150 years ago, by the way. But since Reagan, Republicans have been on the side against the people, Democrats (nominally) for the people. Things change, even in the backward, ignorant US of A.

Look, I tend to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, but you should understand that under Hawaiian Law in 1961 you could be born on MARS and get a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth, which is what Obama claims to have. It IS different than a birth certificate. Obama's sister from his mother's marriage to Lolo Soetoro was born in the Philippines and has the same Hawaiian Birth certificate Obama has. That's UNDISPUTED fact.

The certificate Obama had on his website was an obvious forgery.

Now I know, “FactChech.org” claims to have “verified” it, but FactCheck is bogus itself. This is part of the Annenberg group. The same group that funneled millions of dollars to Barack Obama and domestic murdering terrorist Bill Ayers when they sat on the boards of the Woods Fund and the Annenberg Challenge. Ayers was chair of both of these. Most of that money was funneled to ACORN. LOOK IT UP.

Again, Obama could have cleared ALL of this up almost 3 years ago by releasing his REAL birth certificate. Remember it was a DEMOCRAT who started all of this. Everyone else just started following a logical path.

Why in God's name has Obama spent a million bucks on this?

He IS hiding something.

The Constitution Article II Section 1 of the Constitution says:

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

Natural born means being born to TWO parents who were American citizens. On this point alone, Obama fails. His father was a British subject, and under British law and treaties of the day, Obama held dual citizenship at birth.

This may, or may not, disqualify Obama. Many think it does. But the Court must certainly rule on this. It's their constitutional duty.

Funny thing, Congress, including Obama, made a big stink about John McCain, who was born in Panama. Now, obviously McCain was born to two United States citizens. And Panama was US territory at the time. and yet, there was a big stink, and the Senate actually passed a non binding resolution declaring McCain “natural born”

Do any of you folks understand WHY the founders wanted someone to BE natural born before they could become President?

Well, the founders instinctively knew that a man or woman must feel total allegiance to America, and no other nation or cause, or they would not be fit for the office.

In this too, Obama is an Epic Failure. Obama HATES America in it's traditional form. Obama was raised by radical America hating communists. He was mentored by radical Frank Marshall Davis, and befriended by anti-American crazies like domestic terrorists Bill ayers and his insane preacher of 20 years the Rev Jeremiah “God Damn America' Wright.

Obama may, or may not actually be eligible to be POTUS. That is a case for the Supreme court. But one thing is for sure, he is NOT fit to be POTUS. He is nothing more that a Chicago street thug. He hates America, and calls our Constitution “deeply flawed”.

Epic Fail.

Wow, that was fun. Lotsa exclamation points.

Now then, let's get back to looking at what is obviously the source of the forged Kenyan burf sirtifikat.

No, he was more than a “guest lecturer.” He was an adjunct professor, which means he taught Constitutional Law for U of C students. Yes, he was a community organizer. No, he didn't make legal opinion. Few lawyers do. Judges do. Did Ronald Reagan create law before being in politics? GWB? Of course not.

He ran as US congress considerably before he ran for Senate. I know. I live in Chicago. He lost his bid for Rep. Bobby Rush's congressional seat. Then he ran for senate.

Get your facts straight.

No, he was more than a “guest lecturer.” He was an adjunct professor, which means he taught Constitutional Law for U of C students. Yes, he was a community organizer. No, he didn't make legal opinion. Few lawyers do. Judges do. Did Ronald Reagan create law before being in politics? GWB? Of course not.

He ran as US congress considerably before he ran for Senate. I know. I live in Chicago. He lost his bid for Rep. Bobby Rush's congressional seat. Then he ran for senate.

Get your facts straight.

O'Fraud needs to “get ver” himself. He doesn't have any clue as to what ” teh rule of Law and the Consitution” means. He should also learn to read & write English. What a birther fool.

He was not an adjunct professor either. This is what the University of Chicago actually has to say about the issue:

“The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as “Senior Lecturer.” From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.”

Birthers = Nazi Racists

Suck on that awhile.

Doofus. He worked at Sidley & Austin. Big Chicago-based mega firm. I clerked for their LA office as a summer associate.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Lawyers don't “author” “legal opinions.”

Judges do.

You can set up WHATEVER nonsensical bullshit you want.

Obama taught constitutional law AS A PROFESSOR at U of Chicago. He was not a “guest lecturer.”

Read the U of Chicago's own words:

“From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year.

Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching.”

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/28/132341/045

“Oh, snap! Got you there, didn't I?”

Get a life, doofus.

I didn't expect any reasonable comments here, Hugh. Thank you. I totally agree. No sarcasm at all. Thank you for exceeding my expectations.

Define “legal opinion.”

Every lawyer, law student and law professor authors “opinions” on various legal issues. A formal “opinion” is commonly referred to rulings written by judges though, so I don't really know what you're talking about since we all agree that Obama has never been a judge.

I think we were posting at the same time, Neil.

Good going!

How is Obama supposed to release vault records that he doesn't actually have?

Could be. Could also be a fake source document template. In this day and age who's to say Koyaan didn't do a one-off on the Kenyan document submitted to the court? Just saying.

YOU “get ver yourslef” and get serious about combating that dyslexia.

If 'all you know' is that Obama has spent $1 million dollars fighting this you don't know anything.

It isn't true. It's speculation with no actual evidence, like everything else the birfers have come up with.

If you say “Maybe he was born in Hawaii, that doesn't automatically make him qualified,”

then…

“I believe your the” doofus. Because you don't understand basic citizenship law.

Also, “I believe your” a bad speller.

I say that for a “ligitimate” reason.

Sure you do. Prove it. To my satisfaction. Moron.

Sure you do. Prove it. To my satisfaction. Moron.

Judges author legal opinions. Stop showing off your ignorance.

“All I know is Barack Obama has spent almost $1 million dollars with the law firm Perkins-Coie defending himself in all of the dozens of eligibility cases.”

No. That isn't true. So, by your own admission, you don't know a damned thing.

Obama's FEC quarterly filing shows a large sum going to a large law firm named Perkins Coie. It is a one line entry. The filing shows every expense the Obama campaign incurred or paid (not clear which) in a quarter (undefined as to months or year covered).

It is not broken out by matter worked on or by time spent working or by how many attorneys were engaged. It just, literally, says Obama paid a law firm X dollars.

You do not have any basis to suspect that any or all of that sum went to defend birther suits.

EVERY major candidate for President, even the way-siders like Fred Thompson and John Edwards, to say nothing of McCain and Clinton, engaged large law firms to handle the myriad legal issues that come up in a national campaign.

Unless you look at McCain and Clinton as well as Obama, you know nothing of context; $1 million in legal fees, even if I granted that was true, is NOT a big deal for a national campaign that generates $300 million in contributions. It's less than 1/3 of one percent!

And unless you know what the firm was billing for, you're just speculating as to whether the money went to birther suits.

The figure is pulled out of thin air. Read what Politico reported way back in March 2009 about Gary Kreep, Alan Keyes's California lawyer, made up about Obama's fees:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19450…

While you're at it, read what Politico reports about conservatives trying to rid themselves of birthers (same article as above link):

“The conservative talk show host Michael Medved recently referred to the movement's leaders as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters” who are “the worst enemy of the conservative movement.”

“It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company,” he mourned.

One of the lead anti-Obama lawyers, Orly Taitz, a California dentist with a degree from an online law school, promptly threatened to sue Medved for defamation.”

Enjoy!

Yes, he is. He has exactly the same sort of certification of birth that I do, and I'm a seventh generation American who is eligible to join the DAR.

How can you tell when a politician (any party by the way) is lying ???

Their lips are moving…!!

Want an enjoyable read ? The Federalist Papers.

How can you tell when a politician (any party by the way) is lying ???

Their lips are moving…!!

Want an enjoyable read ? The Federalist Papers.

And the Republicans and the Democrats have switched positions on virtually everything over the past 150+ years since the Civil War. Or didn't they teach you that in Birther Civics Class?

hi precious, yea- i do believe that some people believe in teh rule of las and the constitution–just not the wingnuts/birthers. you brighten my day with your silliness. next you'll be saying that Barack can't be prez cause he's a negro and –”well you know–their not really humans”.
get over it. he is the prez and yes–HE IS YOUR PRESIDENT!!!!!

What's even funnier is that not long ago the birthers would have scorned Orly Taitz as a possible Russian spy, or possibly as an Evil Jew. Now they think she's the fount of all wisdom because she got a worthless law degree from a diploma mill

*shakes head*

Just in case you didn't know, it is quite common for Kenyan bureaucrats to take on an Australian bureaucrat's last name as a sort of tip 'o the hat their Australian friends. Next time do some research, for God's sake…

See the real fake at http://storyarc.squarespace.com/vault-copy-obam…

ice9

LEMME SEE HERE–IF HE'S ALL THAT AND ALL POWERFUL–WHY O WHY CAN'T HE STOP THE VIEWING OF THIS SO CALLED VIDEO TO END ALL VIDS. HMMM, DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE DOES IT.

LEMME SEE HERE–IF HE'S ALL THAT AND ALL POWERFUL–WHY O WHY CAN'T HE STOP THE VIEWING OF THIS SO CALLED VIDEO TO END ALL VIDS. HMMM, DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE DOES IT.

Although Weigel has lied and misled about other, non-Kenya aspects of this issue, he might have gotten this one right.

Say, if any HotAir readers want to see how Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit are hurting the GOP at the same time as they refuse to bust the MSM for obvious lies, see this.

Apparently Ed and Allahpundit think you have to engage in “birther theories” to point out that the MSM has made a long series of factual errors in their reporting on this issue. For instance, CNN just made something up, claiming that HI's governor had said something she never said.

And, Ed and Allahpundit refuse to take the MSM to task over that, despite the fact that you don't have to engage in “birther theories” to do it. Let them know what you think.

Are you the David Weigel from CIEE Nanjing?

Aren't we special … Did you win the spelling bee as a child? … Did your Mother not teach you that it's impolite to point (retorically speaking of course) … Oh darn … I forgot … all “youse” progressives are air heads … you can not help it. Please correct my post and let me know where my errors are. “Youse is so smarts” Thanx

Well, how damn gullible do you think we are ynot? You're the one that implied he had never had a job and then you asked what legal opinion's he authored. So which is it moron. He either did or didn't have a job because you can't have it both ways..

Talking with Republicans is like talking to my dead aunt Thelma. They have not a clue.

I'll do you the courtesy of letting you pick at your own scabs in relative obscurity.

But if you post something here that is plainly disingenuous, in which you insult others while denying the reality that we all see around us, then I will not refrain from mocking you in the course of pointing out the error of your pretzel logic.

That's what happens when you make a name like “KenyanMuslimsMakePoorLeaders.” You attract attention. It's what you wanted. Just not the kind of attention you wanted.

You can't spell “rhertorically.” So I won't bore you with my spelling bee exploits.

Thanx

Your heart is your best compass. Love is the supreme expression of life, it is the essence and ground of all creation.

Stop slandering David Weigel.

You continue to assert, baselessly, that he lied or misled someone. Multiple people have called you on it. Have you no shame?

the birth certificate is not the issue. In “Dreams of my Father”,Obama says his father was a UK subject. The constitution says both parents have to be “Natural Born ” American citizens. He does not meet that ” ONE THING” plus all the money he has spent to not release anything. Thats the reason people think something is not right. It is not just left, right, dems, rep. It is most of America.

Obama is the legitimate and duly-elected President of the United States.

“No amount of nonsense denial can change that.”

As an australian born in 1966, I can confirm that this is what my birth certificate looks like, the only amusing thing is watching this weird witch from russia run with it.

and the 1st national Imperial Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan was that distinguished democrat,disgruntled Southerrn General,Nathan Bedford Forrest-whom the north had Custer and the 7th cavaly chase all over the south and could never catch lol-

It is NOT most of America. It is a wacko 25%, of which you are right in the wacko middle of. And both parents do NOT have to be natural born citizens. You are seriously wacko'd out on even the basic facts. It's too bad you don't have the desire (or is it that you don't have the simple intelligence?) to find out even the first fact about what you are trying to talk about.

I think if someone is as dumb as you, it would have been better if you hadn't been born, period.

I don’t care where you scrub toilets, you obviously don’t know anything about acquiring passports.

However, I am glad to hear that you have a job, because I believe in hiring the mentally handicapped.

I don’t care where you scrub toilets, you obviously don’t know anything about acquiring passports.

However, I am glad to hear that you have a job, because I believe in hiring the mentally handicapped.

You should reread the constitution. It says NOTHING about the parents at all. It says the person who is president must be a “natural born citizen”

Please provide a link to that because I just reviewed the Constitution and I didn't see that anywhere

Yes, I knew it was a ringer from the first we laid eyes on it! It was created to distract and discredit! Regardless, just because the world consists of hoaxers – this does not make the argument that Barack, Barry Obama may have possibly been born in in Kenya any less relevant!

The old psyop Illuminatti trick of making the water muddy won't work here! The whole point of this is that Birthers' are demanding to see the” actual original legal birth cetificate and track records”, of Barack Hussein Obama, regardless of which country his records come from as called for in compliance with the Constitution of The United States of America as provisions to qualify to be the President of The United States of America! I don't know why it is that Barack won't or can't produce his? If he has lost his Birth Certificate and Documents, Departments of Statistics in all countries of the world usually produce the certificate that backs up their legal files of registrations in that country! I have mine and a baptism certificate as well and it has been around for a while ! Most people I speak with and ask all have one or sure quickly know how to retrieve one from their Federal Government!
What is going on here? Just how stupid does Barack, his Government, Czars and Global Elitist friends think the American citizens are? You know what? I think they are in for a surprise! They have already hung themselves several times within the law of Treason and don't even have the faculty of mind to realize it!

In addition to all that a writer tpgrow on this webpage has already brought up a true fact, “In “Dreams of my Father”,Obama says his father was a UK subject. The constitution says both parents have to be “Natural Born ” American citizens.” This checked out legally in it's self should be enough to remove Obama from the Whitehouse!

Now lets' Audit and Abolish the Fed Make sure your Congressmen support Bill HR1207 and that your Senators support Bill S604 . It is well passed time to' clean House folks!

The currency on the “Kenyan” birth certificate is also wrong. The figure in the upper left — “7s. 6d.” — is part of the pre-decimalization, pound/shilling/pence system used in the U.K. and Australia until the late 60's. (“d” was a Latinate abbreviation for pence, and was changed to “p” once decimalization occurred.) Kenya's currency in 1964, however, was completely different. It was the Kenyan shilling, divided into 100 cents. If the cost of the document were 7 Kenyan shillings and 6 Kenyan cents, this would have been written as 7' 6

The Constitution says that a candidate for president must be a “natural born Citizen,” at least 35 years of age and at least 14 years a resident within the United States, which would include someone born in the US (such as Obama) and/or the child of an American citizen (such as Obama).

The Constitution says that a candidate for president must be a “natural born Citizen,” at least 35 years of age and at least 14 years a resident within the United States, which would include someone born in the US (such as Obama) and/or the child of an American citizen (such as Obama).

If you could cite your reference for “both parents have to be “Natural Born”. I have posted this excerpt for your reference.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

And your credibility? Dave uses his real name, you don't.

Now the question occurs; Who would gain from producing such an easily exposed fraud? I would ask how Orly was so easily duped, but most of us know the answer to that. What amazes me is that WND was taken in by the same hoax.

Could WND still have an ace up their sleeve we don't know about?

Full document here:

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/08/wnd-a…

Er,

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5:

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

I don't see the part about both parents; where in the Constitution is that written again?….

Er,

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5:

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

I don't see the part about both parents; where in the Constitution is that written again?….

Celcus wins the thread! I forgot all about the fish license sketch. Luckily, Orly Taitz and her friends in the Kenyan Ministry of Housinge are around to find the real documents.

The Constitution says no such thing about both parents having to be natural born citizens for a child born on US soil to be a natural born citizen himself. Quit pulling stuff out of your butt.

tpgow you are wrong. The Constitutional requirement to be President is:

Age and Citizenship requirements – US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

The only time the requirement that both parents be U.S. Citizens is when the child is born outside the United States and it isn't in the Constitution. Hawaii is not outside the U.S. To break it down for you:

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

You are a liar. The constitution does not define the phrase natural born. It has een defined in the US according to English common law.

NEWS FLASH! NEWS NAG…..If in fact you had facts you would have posted a fact. Though the constitution has never defined the “Natural Born” SCOTUS has in Wong Kim Ark. SCOYUS defined “Natural Born” by BOTH(2) must be citizens please educate yourself in case law!
The SC has to date (Wong Kim Ark) ONLY upheld citizenship of “Natural Born” as 2
parents being US citizens. NOT 1 parent as US citizen and 1 parent being
non-citizen as in Obama’s father case. Also, (Wong Kim Ark) couldn’t be used as
a defense to Obama because: The Supreme Court did not rule that Mr. Ark was a
natural born citizen. It merely ruled that he was a citizen. Even if Barack
Obama’s circumstances at birth were identical to those of Mr. Ark, the Wong Kim
Ark decision would, at most, only convey citizenship to the President. It would
not convey natural born citizenship, which is what the President needs in order
to be eligible to hold office (SCOTUS in ‘Wong Kim Ark’).
Mr. Ark was granted citizenship because, at the time of Mr. Ark’s birth, his
parents had “permanent domicile and residence” in the United States and was
“carrying on business” in the United States. President Obama’s father did not
meet these conditions. He was not a permanent resident and he was not doing
business in the U.S. He was merely visiting the U.S. temporarily, presumably on
a student visa, for the purpose of getting an American education.
To summarize, we know for sure that persons born in the U.S., of parents who are
U.S. citizens, are definitely, without doubt, natural born citizens. So far, the
Supreme Court has not decided whether natural born citizenship also includes
U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents.
Thanks For Playing!

Here is the exact language out of the constitution it clearly only requires the president be natural born, it does not say anything about the president's parents. If you are going to believe a conspiracy theory like this at least take three seconds to look online for the “facts” you think support your theory.

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.” available at http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constit…

Again, where in the constitution does it state that both parents have to be “natural born citizens”. If you could actually show in any government document the definition of “natural born citizen” I will give you a cookie.

Yes, I believe I made an error at any rate I stand to be corrected or informed as such but I believe that is true as long as an individual has been born in the United States of America or it's Territories a “Natural born citizen” !

Naybe we should copy and post the, Constitution of The United States of America , on this site so we can all check that part out? :>)

heh.

Okay, I'll bite. I actually *do* believe that Bush was “complacent” in 9-11 (cf. August 6th PDB, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US,” and Suskind's reporting in his 2006 book: “And, at an eyeball-to-eyeball intelligence briefing during this urgent summer, George W. Bush seems to have made the wrong choice. He looked hard at the panicked CIA briefer. ‘All right,’ he said. ‘You’ve covered your ass, now.’”)

But I'll bet that's not what you meant, is it? (You probably didn't mean for me not to “breath” either. Oh well.)

Can't site case law, but I know there is a child in Chicago whose mother is an undocumented alien, but he is a cirtizen. It was a big story in the Chicago papers.

But it has nothing to do with POTUS Obama.

Weigel knows perfectly well who I am, since he wrote a post about me and then refused to approve a comment I left showing how he was wrong.

Also, you can find my real name in all the entries I posted here: michellemalkin.com/immigration/2005/05

Consider thinking before posting.

WND posted an article on 8.23.2008 confirming that the COLB Obama provided is authentic.

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Could WND have an ace up their sleeve? Buy their video for $18.99 and tell us, Aristotle.

I'm not aware of anyone presenting a valid, factual, logical, intellectually-honest counter-argument to anything I've written about Weigel. You can try this. See if you can find any supporting evidence for either of the first two statements Weigel made that I discuss at that link.

To make it even easier: Weigel claimed that Hawaiian officials said the cert on BHO's site wasn't forged. Can anyone find anything – besides the HI spokeswoman who reversed herself on the same Politifact page – that backs up Weigel's claim? I call him a liar because… he's lied. Hawaiian officials didn't say the picture on BHO's site wasn't forged, even if Weigel thinks they did.

Faux, not wrong I suggest you learn case law. There are 2 definitions of “Natural Born” Constitutional and statutory which would fall under USC. SCOTUS has already defined (2) parents defines it in the constitution which is what is in play regarding “O's” citizenship. Let me type this slowly so you understand!
“Natural Born” is not defined in the constitution nor
any federal law only inelligibility guidelines. So far, Congress has not passed
any law that defines “natural born citizen”. In 1790, Congress passed the
Naturalization Act of 1790, which extended the meaning of “natural born citizen”
to include the foreign-born children of U.S.-citizen parents:
And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the
sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural
born citizens (Naturalization Act of 1790)
Five years later, Congress repealed the 1790 Act and replaced it with the
Naturalization Act of 1795. The wording of the 1795 Act was essentially the same
as the 1790 Act, except that the term “natural born citizens” was deleted and
replaced with “citizens”.
Thereafter, Congress has passed laws that convey American citizenship to certain
people at birth, but Congress never again passed any law that explicitly
clarified, defined or extended the meaning of natural born citizenship. Senate
Bill S.2128 was supposed to define “natural born citizen”, but it was never
enacted. The bill was referred to the Judiciary Committee in 2004, where it has
remained ever since. In 2008, the Senate passed Resolution 511 regarding
Presidential candidate John McCain’s natural born citizenship, but the
resolution was nonbinding and had no legal effect.
Every U.S. President who was born after 1787 — except President Barack Obama
and President Chester Arthur — was born in the United States, to parents who
were both U.S. citizens. The general public did not learn until recently that,
when Chester Arthur was born, his father was not a U.S. citizen. The 2008
election is the first time in American history that America knowingly elected a
post-1787-born President whose parents were not both U.S. citizens.
When Chester Arthur ran for Vice President and later President, he told outright
lies and burned historical records, to conceal the fact that, although he was
born in the United States, his father was a British Subject and not a U.S.
citizen at the time of his (President Arthur’s) birth. If “natural born citizen”
means anyone born in the United States, regardless of parental citizenship, why
did Chester Arthur go through so much trouble to convince the public that his
parents were U.S. citizens when he was born? It is inconceivable that Chester
Arthur would have taken such extraordinary measures, unless he believed that his
birth to non-citizen parents made him ineligible to serve as VP or President.
The SC has to date (Wong Kim Ark) ONLY upheld citizenship of “Natural Born” as 2
parents being US citizens. NOT 1 parent as US citizen and 1 parent being
non-citizen as in Obama’s father case. Also, (Wong Kim Ark) couldn’t be used as
a defense to Obama because: The Supreme Court did not rule that Mr. Ark was a
natural born citizen. It merely ruled that he was a citizen. Even if Barack
Obama’s circumstances at birth were identical to those of Mr. Ark, the Wong Kim
Ark decision would, at most, only convey citizenship to the President. It would
not convey natural born citizenship, which is what the President needs in order
to be eligible to hold office (SCOTUS in ‘Wong Kim Ark’).
Mr. Ark was granted citizenship because, at the time of Mr. Ark’s birth, his
parents had “permanent domicile and residence” in the United States and was
“carrying on business” in the United States. President Obama’s father did not
meet these conditions. He was not a permanent resident and he was not doing
business in the U.S. He was merely visiting the U.S. temporarily, presumably on
a student visa, for the purpose of getting an American education.
To summarize, we know for sure that persons born in the U.S., of parents who are
U.S. citizens, are definitely, without doubt, natural born citizens. So far, the
Supreme Court has not decided whether natural born citizenship also includes
U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents.
Now regarding what you stated of the federal statute there is “Constitutional”
and “Statutory” natural born citizens as follows:
“Constitutional natural born citizen” refers to the term “natural born citizen”
when it appears in the Constitution or in a Constitution-related document such
as a Supreme Court decision. It refers to the meaning of “natural born citizen”
in the Constitution, whatever the Supreme Court ultimately decides such meaning
to be.
“Statutory natural born citizen” refers to someone who is deemed a “natural born
citizen” as a result of a Federal or State law.
Currently, there is no Federal law that explicitly defines “natural born
citizen” or explicitly conveys “natural born citizenship” to anyone. However,
existing laws are sometimes understood or interpreted as conveying natural born
citizenship to certain individuals at birth. At this point, we do not pass
judgment on these understandings and interpretations. We merely say that, if
someone is deemed to be a “natural born citizen” pursuant to a law or statute,
we refer to such person as a “statutory natural born citizen”.
A statutory natural born citizen is not necessarily the same thing as a
Constitutional natural born citizen. The U.S. State Department warns against
confusing the two concepts:
…the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does
not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional
purposes in U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual — 7 FAM 1130
If we were to define “natural born citizen” to mean anyone who is a “citizen at
birth”, our definition of “natural born citizen” would be statutory because it
would depend on the statute or law which defines “citizen at birth”. Under
existing law, all children born in the United States (except the children of
foreign diplomats) are “citizens at birth”. Therefore, under existing law,
almost all children born in the U.S. — including children of illegal immigrants
– could be regarded as statutory natural born citizens.
However, H.R.1940, also known as the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007, would
change the existing law so that it would no longer grant “citizenship at birth”
to children of illegal immigrants. If Congress were to pass H.R.1940, it would
alter the meaning of “citizen at birth”, and therefore would alter our statutory
definition of natural born citizen. If H.R.1940 were enacted, the U.S.-born
children of illegal immigrants could no longer be regarded as statutory natural
born citizens.
To summarize:
“Statutory natural born citizen” is the meaning of “natural born citizen” when
such meaning depends on a Federal or State law. As Federal and State laws
change, the meaning of “statutory natural born citizen” changes accordingly.
“Constitutional natural born citizen” is the meaning of “natural born citizen”
as used in the Constitution.
If Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, he could be regarded as a statutory natural
born citizen. But a statutory natural born citizen is not necessarily a
Constitutional natural born citizen. And therein the problem lies.

Since this post is probably getting a lot of HotAir readers, I urge them to see the earlier comments I left down below.

I mean, seriously: why the heck is HotAir promoting David Schuster? Aren't they smart or creative enough to think up an angle that wouldn't involve promoting MSNBC?

How about doing some research. The University of Chicago law school issued a statement because they were getting so many inquiries. Obama was a professor.

The University of Chicago says that Obama is entitled to describe himself as a professor during his time teaching there

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/deadlineusa/200…

I cannot believe this is still a talking point. But I'm glad to set you straight since you've been the gullible one.

Oh, I did think. However, I am not all that interested in who you are, since I know what you are..a liar and a spammer.

It is funny that so many complain about Obama and where he was alledgedly born. However, it took Senate action to ensure that the republican candidate, John McCain, was eligible since he was born outside the US and a full year before Congress ruled that people born of American parents outside the US were “natural born”. I just wish that the courts would put a hefty price tag on these suits and apply it to the national debt.

If you have a valid, factual, logical, intellectually-honest counter-argument to anything I've written about this issue, let me know. Otherwise, please stop making noise.

John McCain on;y became an issue to take the heat off of “O” . McCain was NEVER an issue because BOTH of his parents were US Citizens and a military base or embassy ANYWHERE in the world is considered american soil!

Orly Taintz is gonna do you for this, as soon as she settles with Moose and Squirrel.

[...] Is This The Source of the Forged Kenyan Birth Certficate? By David Weigel, The Washington Independent, Aug. 3, 2009. (Similarities to Australian forms easily available online.) [...]

face it liberals, your messiah Obama is BUSTED.
This is proof he was born in Africa, and no ammount of liberal lies and spin will discredit this very authentic document. Obama will be exposed, deported, and the Republicans will fix the damage he wrought on our country.

Geez I sure hope you are being sarcastic because I can't quite figure it out. IF you really believe this, then…..welllll.

IF you are being sarcastic, seems a bit over the top.

“Who would gain from producing such an easily exposed fraud?”

Anyone looking for quick buck. The screen name “InspectorSmith” comes to mind….

Yeah, Liberals, why can't you just face the facts? Like good old AMY here, who really seems to have a headlock on reality.

This document IS irrefutable proof, and Obama will be deported. Anyone who can't see that is COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL.

No, no — nobody needs to post the Constitution. It is readily available at zillions of places online, in libraries, in schools, and in museums. Go and read it for yourself. We all have access and there's no need for additional clutter here. Stay on topic. Go find it.

Oooh, I'm shaking! Please. You people can't even make a convincing forged birth certificate.

Uh NO there is no problem.

Do loosen your tinfoil hat.

There has been NO Constitutional definition of “natural born” and no one gives a flying f.

That so called explanation of your was just more birther nonsense.

[...] Is This The Source of the Forged Kenyan Birth Certficate? By David Weigel, The Washington Independent, Aug. 3, 2009. (Similarities to Australian forms easily available online.) [...]

Also, McCain was white and conservative, so the birthers weren't concerned.

Wandering_Joe GIVE ME MY COOKIE. BEST WAY TO GET TO A LIBERAL CONFUSE THEM WITH FACTS AND DOCUMENTS

Hey, TP loosen your tinfoil hat. You haven't shown anything. Stop reaching.

Really? Well, I sure hope that Orally Taintz tries to introduce this “document” in a court of law. What's the sentence for faking evidence? LOL, please please PLEASE try to take this “document” to court! We Liberals are begging you.

Are you tragedy or farce? I can't tell!

Stop rewriting SCOTUS interpretations. I'm not going to even bother trying to show you just had badly wrong you are, you DON'T want to be wrong, so nothing will dissuade you but keep living in your delusional world that you understand what the SCOTUS “really” meant. The rest of us can read English just fine (and better than you)

I've read the case law cited and you haven't got a clue, but keep deluding yourself. You can only help keep democrats in office and Obama another four years by keeping up this idiocy.

Furthermore, McCain was born in Panama which, at the time of his birth until the Carter Administration, was US territory due to the fact that the US built the Panama Canal after the French surrendered to an army of mosquitos.

Here you go, btok. Enjoy:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/const…

I'm always in favor of folks getting informed. ;-)

LULU Why do you have to bring race in to it People should be judged by their character not their race.

Hey Orly, hear that flushing sound…?

Yep, it's your legal career headed where it belongs…

If the forgers movement had a small amount of the curiosity regarding the fake COLB that was purported to prove the usurpers eligibility as they do for this document we could have an interesting conversation.

Alas, only things and events that comport with their dogma is worthy of consideration. No critical thinking.

If you're a HotAir reader who's wondering why HotAir is promoting David Schuster, it gets even worse: HotAir is passing up a golden opportunity to discredit the MSM and groups like the SPLC. And, they can do that without engaging in any “birther theories”. All HotAir would have to do would be to tell the truth, and they could help me discredit far-left groups like the SPLC.

A few weeks ago, CNN broadcast a report that outrageously lied: they claimed that HI's governor had verified that Obama was born there. Just one problem: HI's governor has never issued a statement verifying that Obama was born there. Not only that, but HI's governor sends out a form letter in which she points out that it would be illegal for her to verify Obama was born there.

And, you don't have to engage in “birther theories” to point out that CNN lied: all you have to do is tell the truth. HI's governor never issued the statement that CNN claimed. That's very cut-and-dried, and doesn't involve “birther theories”.

Unfortunately, the problem is that people like Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit can't (or won't) see that. Rather than smacking down the MSM, they're promoting MSNBC. They need your help: write them and try to help them understand that – without engaging in “birther theories” – they can help me discredit the MSM.

Note also that several other sources went on to rely on CNN's report. In fact, the SPLC – in their press release calling for Lou Dobbs to be fired – referred to it as an example of good journalism. I want CNN to issue a correction, and that would help make CNN, several other MSM sources, and the SPLC look bad. Why isn't HotAir helping me in that but is instead promoting MSNBC? Write them and ask.

“Birthers” are chemically imbalanced nut jobs holding on for dear life to anything that they feel will get the first black president out of office. The issue with the birth certificate is just a cover for the over abundant amount of prejudice that runs rampant among them. The longer they press this issue, the more they look unstable. Neo-Consvervatives cant say they hate black people for fear of repercussions from the more logical and sane public……so they latch on to anything, no matter how stupid it sounds. I consider myself an independent, I don't agree with some things both Democrats and Republicans do. I am white, so there is no bias as to defending Obama as president. But watching from the sidelines, the “birthers” are more of a circus freek show than a group of concerned citizens with a legitimate gripe and this will alienate the Republican party further in the depths of extreme right wing-ism. It is becoming more of a cult following than a political party. Acquaintances from Europe find it comical that such a large movement of idiots exist while I am embarrassed at how some Americans can be such uneducated imbeciles.

Don’t you ever get anything right? I didn’t find it at all. Hanen found it before the Politijab post.

GEEZ!

Don’t you ever get anything right? I didn’t find it at all. Hanen found it before the Politijab post.

GEEZ!

Every time a birther is shown a web link to, or hard copy of Obama's official birth certificate (you know, the one that is recognized by the federal government when applying for a passport), they pull the equivalent of a 9-year old covering his ears and shouting “nyah, nyah, nyah, I can't hear you!”

You can lead right wingers to the truth, but you cannot make them embrace it.

Each state has its own standard for an official record of birth.

You have to look at the motivations of the majority of the birthers to understand why they simply cannot “let go”. Fundamentally, it comes down to the following mindset: “I cannot accept THAT man in the White House because…. (fill in the blank).”

Just about ANY reason will do — any excuse that will legitimize their race-based outrage.  If it wasn't about a birth certificate, it would be about his middle name. (He's a closet Muslim, you know.)

In addition, there are a handful of unscrupulous politicians and pundits who, although not necessarily racist themselves, have no problem capitalizing on the bigotry of others by fueling their fear and hatred of Obama in order to score political points or further a personal agenda.

The birther phenomenon is intended to damage the validity of the Obama Administration, but it will instead diminish the credibility of the conservative base so long as its members continue to give credence to the deluded fantasy that the POTUS was not born in Hawaii.

Other countries have always thought Americans were stupid. Then they went to the polls on 09/08 and proved the other countries were right.

Obama IS the President. Get over it!

LOL Still on the racism thing? Sorry but it has lost it's power as the ultimate excuse for failures. Now a loser is simply a loser. In any color.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

COLB is not accepted for a US Passport get your facts right

Why do obots always resort to the lowest form of argument? An ad hominem attack requires no basis other than the attackers own prejudice.

It is clear that all the calls of racism and questioning others mental capacity is merely projection. Dim-witted racists, like seotoro/obama/whowever-he-is and his supporters here, embody the traits they decry in others.

As a scientist (yes, Ph.D. and all that), I am skeptical of EVERYTHING!!! I am skeptical of Obama's “natural born citizen” due to the fact that he could have ended the controversy months ago by providing an ACTUAL birth certificate which includes the hospital of birth and the attending physician. I am skeptical of the “Birthers'” claims due to the fact that they are all conservatives and libertarians who have always opposed Obama and, since the election (in which I held my nose and voted for McCain), have been grasping to straws as vehemently as hard-core Al Gores have beeen doing since the 2000 election!!!

In short, I don't know. I haven't been convinced one way or the other (come on Obama, be as TRANSPARENT as you promised during your campaign!!!).

Both extremes seem to be hiding stuff for example, in the Cook case in which the Birthers neglect to disclose that Cook volunteered for deployment, therefore, when the case was dropped it was NOT because Obama would not disclose his “true” birth certificate, but because Army regulations (I am an Army civilian scientist and a National Guard Soldier for full disclosure) say that an officer who volunteers for deployment can opt out of the deployment before his deployment date!!!

In the middle, the rotten fish smell lingers, but its location cannot be determined.

Totally wrong. The rest of the world breathed a sigh of relief that US citizens had finally got a collective IQ higher than room temperature.

The way the American people accepted the stolen 2000 and 2004 confirmed the world's view that Americans are stupid gutless cowards whose only skill is using high technology to destroy other people.

I suggest you learn something about other countries and their attitudes before you start mouthing off about things you don't understand.

Oh, and what happened in 09/08 (you mean September 2008, I take it)? I thought the polls were in November?

Yes it is.

Well, according to this alleged birth certificate, both of Obama's parents were citizens of the US. And, no, military bases in other parts of the world are NOT automatically considered US soil.

COLB = Birth Certificate in Hawaii & is accepted as proof of citizenship.

Aloha

I suggest all you libs on here get Kevin Jackson's book “THE BIG BLACK LIE”. Lincoln never freed the slaves because the dems have kept them slaves for years living on the dole. The dems do not like black people they just want you to think they are on your side, for your vote. WAKE UP!!! The dems take your dignity and self worth from you. All people are created equal and have a fair shot to achieve in the USA think about it

Ironic that the birthers forge a BC after accusing Obama of doing it.

Good job explaining what’s actually happening in America.

Good job explaining what’s actually happening in America.

Its the only logical explanation that could explain why this issue…is well….still an issue. Any educated person that graduated school would know that the birth certificate provided by the “birthers” is not real. There are a few people that I know personally that believe that Obama was born in Africa AND he is Muslim. 2 of them are rednecks so you really cant count them, but the other 3 are neo-conservatives. Complete Jesus freaks and to me admitted to hating black people (yet will never openly admit to it because it will give there cause less validity). I have yet to meet one normal person that believes Obama was not born in the US.

Uh, if you had an Australian Birth Certificate – you’d know that each State issues its own certificates. They all look different. They also look different based upon when you obtain your copy of the birth certificate.

Uh, if you had an Australian Birth Certificate – you’d know that each State issues its own certificates. They all look different. They also look different based upon when you obtain your copy of the birth certificate.

Proof of citizenship YES! Not a passport

I originally dismissed the idea that he was ineligible as too far fetched. Then I became agnostic, now unless evidence to the contrary is proven as fact in the real world I have come to believe he is the tip of the spear of the biggest fraud in history.

His entire past is almost void of objective data.

In truth there is no evidence that he is even a small portion of what he says he is. And his actions since ascending to the oval office have proven him to me a liar at best.

I hate to say it….but the document in question looks nothing like an an Australlian Birth certificate (or certified copy of registration of Birth) from that era…..I have both from this time period.

@superdave – I'm skeptical that you're skeptical. “As a scientist”, is this how you usually regard evidence–you ignore that it exists? How about Obama's genuine birth certificate that has been corroborated independently countless times? Or do you expect someone to knock at your door and present it to you in person?

The research question that your comment presents is, “Why do some people persist in remaining confused in what is otherwise a straightforward matter?”

Regardless if he's a “Natural Born Citizen” or not, Obama is already the biggest fraud in history.

Wow. I'm skeptical your PhD is worth the paper it's printed on.

Easy, moi. You can tell from looking at the threads that the comments bear little relation to the articles to which the comments are appended.

People just write what they want. One person a little while ago wrote about term limits.

I thought contraryskeptic’s post was interesting and worth reading.

I appreciate that you were polite in your attempt to set another person straight.

VERY well said, labman57.

Don’t feel constrained by the either-or nature of Name’s last question.

“Yes,” for example, would be an appropriate response.

Don’t feel constrained by the either-or nature of Name’s last question.

“Yes,” for example, would be an appropriate response.

Must you persist in spreading lies?

I got my passport with a COLB. I've never had anything but that (and I just pulled it out of my files to double check).

It is ignorant blathering like this that fuels the idiocy of the birther movement.

I personaly don't care where he was born. His father was a UK subject as he said in his book “Dreams of my Father” He was in the US for an education not to become a US citizen. So that alone makes O ineligible for the highest office in the land. And that is according to case law that I posted earlier. He is taking the USA on a downward spiral fast and your freedoms along with it

She did…as part of the Keyes v Obama case!!! Rumor has it that she is also using it as part of an appeal in FL…but that is rumor at this point.

Whats really confusing is that all the “real Americans” are fuming over the fact that Obama is not an American and that he is a Muslim (no hard evidence needed, just take there word for it). However, where were these “Real Americans” when Bush was in office pushing America into the economic abyss we find ourselves in now. Once again the double standard is prevalent amongst Republicans. It appears to be that religion, guns and Obama are there sole and primary focus. Meenwhile us “fake Americans” have an agenda of destroying American at any cost. I guess Neo-Conservatives are just too smart for us socialist commies.

I came across this rant of a blog on accident and I can't help but laugh! Let's say, just for fun, that Obama was born in Kenya and forged his birth certificate (although I don't believe that for one second). Do you people honestly think that his educational background would not enable him to win any such court case that would result from actually being born in Kenya? Case law and/or law in general is only black and white to those that can see only in black and white. Lawyers are educated to find the grey areas and argue sufficiently. I don't believe Obama would have had to forge a birth certificate when he could potentially win the right, in a court of law, to run for presidency. And I also think that he would have stood his ground and challenged the law, if that is what he had to do, so as to become our legitimate and rightful president.

I know the facts, I know where to find legal precedence and legal documents. And I also know how to read with a discerning eye. Yet I'm not citing all that here and there will be no further defense of my perspective! This is my educated voice of personal opinion not an argumentative thesis. And I also don't think that Obama owes a look at his private documents to any doubting citizen. Due process people! The only place Obama should have to defend himself is in a court of law. Americans elected him and quite frankly, the people I talk to care more about the fact he's well educated than where he was born. I find this blog is a moot point. Thus, if you're hell bent on being proven wrong, take him to court. … In the mean time, whether intentionally or not, thanks for providing me with some laughs. Most of you have been quite entertaining…

Why do birfers hate paragraphs?

Why do birfers hate paragraphs?

And the answer is: Racism.

And the answer is: Racism.

Interestingly you are claiming that you found the Aussie BC first…6 hours after it was posted on Politijab.com!

Seriously? Do I have to teach you the multiplication tables too?

Prove he was an associate at Sidley Austin?

http://www.sidley.com/newsresources/newsandpress/Detail.aspx?news=3804

Prove he was a law professor at the University of Chicago?

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/node/1039

Seriously? Do I have to teach you the multiplication tables too?

Prove he was an associate at Sidley Austin?

http://www.sidley.com/newsresources/newsandpress/Detail.aspx?news=3804

Prove he was a law professor at the University of Chicago?

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/node/1039

“Sorry I ment 11/08 You moron! just a typo”

If you’re going to insult someone else’s intelligence for pointing out, politely, what you are now calling a typo (how’d you fuck up when typing 11/08 and somehow type 09/08? when you mean to type “your” and you type “yoru,” that’s a typo. what you did is called not fucking knowing when an election happened)…

then at least spell “ment” correctly. You moron!

“Sorry I ment 11/08 You moron! just a typo”

If you’re going to insult someone else’s intelligence for pointing out, politely, what you are now calling a typo (how’d you fuck up when typing 11/08 and somehow type 09/08? when you mean to type “your” and you type “yoru,” that’s a typo. what you did is called not fucking knowing when an election happened)…

then at least spell “ment” correctly. You moron!

Bush made a lot of mistakes as did Clinton so on and on. But you have to remember Congress runs the country and the republicans and dems went on a spending spree with our money “We The People” and now the people are fighting back. We need term limits no more career law makers VOTE THEM ALL OUT!!! Teach them a lesson they won't forget

ATTENTION EVERYBODY! Obama was born in HAWAI'I, not Mombasa, Zanzibar or whereever the Full Mooners say he was born. In fact, one source said that the “Kenya BC” is actually an Austrailian BC, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HEALTH CARE WE NEEDED 15 YEARS AGO!

So which one is fake, or are they both authentic? Which one was “cloned” from which one, and can anyone prove it? Were they both created under the jurisdiction of the UK, and could it be all UK birth certificates at the time used the same blank form? The link to the original “.jpg” from which poster “Koyan” claims he made this discovery

http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/Da…

gives a “404 file not found” error message…was it pulled now that it has done its job?

If Mr. Obama would simply release the sealed records, the issue could be resolved. What is he hiding, this “transparent” President?

Thank you for slogging through all that claptrap. Liked the bit about zero to self-contradictory in 2 sentences.

Thank you for slogging through all that claptrap. Liked the bit about zero to self-contradictory in 2 sentences.

You forgot the homosexuals, which “are worse than terrorists”. Wow… my committed, monogamous relationship with ONE man will shred the fabric of the nation. If that's the case, what gossamer threads must the U.S. be made of?

Sorry I ment 11/08 You moron! just a typo

The fact that people don’t bother responding to your lies, except to tell you what a piece of shit you are for lying, ought to tell you something, doofus.

The fact that people don’t bother responding to your lies, except to tell you what a piece of shit you are for lying, ought to tell you something, doofus.

HotAir readers:

Continuing with my discussion below, about a week ago a NY Daily News columnist said this: The [authenticity of Obama's] official Hawaii birth certificate [was] vouched for by Hawaii officials up to and including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle.

The problem with that statement is that it's completely false. HI's governor never said any such thing. You can hate “Birthers” with a passion and still point out that the NY Daily News columnist was lying. You don't have to engage in any “birther theories” to point out that the NY Daily News columnist was lying.

So, why aren't Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit doing that? Why instead are they promoting David Schuster?

Please write HotAir and ask them to help me discredit the MSM.

I work at a US Passport office you moron

I think he probably was born in HI but doesn't want to release his birth cert. for some other reason. Maybe it says religion Muslim on it or something like that.

“‘It’s crazy,’ said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. ‘I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.’

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. ‘If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.’”

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam

THAT is what makes me think that.

What made you lie about the COLB? It states he was born in Honolulu. That’s a “where.”

“‘It’s crazy,’ said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. ‘I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.’

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. ‘If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.’”

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam

THAT is what makes me think that.

What made you lie about the COLB? It states he was born in Honolulu. That’s a “where.”

This is all the proof I need that Barack Obama was born in Australia.

[...] One of my friends in the small community of Obama “birther”-debunkers passes on quite the discovery: a 1964 “certified copy of registration of birth” from Australia, easily available on Bomford.net, a genealogy site. … See the rest here: The Washington Independent » Is This the Source of the Forged … [...]

Get a life you dimwits. This has been and is a dead story. Go back to chasing UFOs, the Sasquatch, the second gunman on the grassy knoll, the antichrist, and god knows whatever else springs from cretin minds with lots of time.

Great sense of humor skylights you convinced me lol

Oh, yeah didnt homosexuals cause Katrina? Someone actually said that. I guess God was really pissed and need to punish everyone indiscriminately.

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Amy, the “deported” part is the best. Are you also denying that his mom was an American citizen?

I am with you on that. I am not a fan of Republicans nor much a fan of the Democrats either. Both parties have been tainted with the greed of lobbyist. Very few laws are passed with the American in mind, rather industry and banking sectors over saturate D.C with money flung at congressman from every angle. That is why this whole “birthers” thing seems so trivial with so many real issues to deal with.

I guessed it was a typo. The trouble is, that little typos like that get pounced on as evidence that either the writer doesn't know wtf (s)he is talking about, or else that they are outright lying.

And thank you for spelling “moron” correctly. I hate being called a moron by someone who can't spell the word!

By the way… This was a real British national tabloid cover from 2004:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/…

In 2000, just before the election, another British tabloid ran 10cm (4-inch for Americans) headlines pleading DON'T DUMP DUBYA ON US!

My mother (a conservative by British standards, but a raving radical by American standards) said to me on September 13 after Americans were having their Bush-inspired wargasm, “Americans are still children aren't they? They haven't grown up yet.”

Only when Obama was elected did most non-Americans start to have respect for the USA again. However, this whole “birther” business seems to mean that right-wing Americans are determined to keep their rightful place as Toilet Cleaners of the Free World – their intelligence doesn't allow them to take any better jobs.

@Udontnome – absolutely. This is a classic example of pointing at the sun while pissing on your shoes.

To be frank, I'm surprised not more bankers/insurance execs/etc. have been found swinging from lampposts. No-one wants lynch law, but given the American fondness for extreme violence and the 2nd amendment, I'm surprised Bubba's not more pissed than he actually is. The whole ridiculous “birther” business provides him with something to hate, while he is distracted from the fact that he and his whole family are being raped wholesale at the expense of the top 0.5%.

That explains why the passport office is so screwed up. ;)

I couldnt have said it better.

Utterly wrong. Or have you forgotten about all the children of illegal immigrants who were born in America and automatically have American citizenship? *They* are natural-born citizens, which is why they can’t be deported along with their parents. Obama is no different, and this birther nonsense is nothing but veiled racism.

Utterly wrong. Or have you forgotten about all the children of illegal immigrants who were born in America and automatically have American citizenship? *They* are natural-born citizens, which is why they can’t be deported along with their parents. Obama is no different, and this birther nonsense is nothing but veiled racism.

I agree with your mother> Duba was not quite as bad a O but it is becoming a toss up. I am not right or left just try to use common sense that most Americans seem to have lost. Don't bother to answer. I bid you Goodnight and God Bless. Had enough fun tonight

Did you get your Ph.D. from the same fine institution of higher learning patronized by Orly Taitz?

Did you get your Ph.D. from the same fine institution of higher learning patronized by Orly Taitz?

[...] Just when you think the Birthers could not get any sillier (for example Orly Taitz’s MSNBC interview in which she says “WHARGARBL!” over and over), comes the revelation that the supposed Obama Kenyan birth certificate is a forgery. [...]

[...] to create a phony Kenyan "birth certificate" for Obama. The deception seems to have been uncovered by a blogger. The web site has exceeded its allowed usage and is now down. Mr Bomford, self-described as a [...]

Pretty clear from http://www.bomford.net that the site was brought down, doofus.

Try http://www.bomford.net.nyud.net/worcestershire/…, and next time learn the interwebs.

Probably more for several reasons:

1) He doesn't have to.
2) There's no reason for him to.
3) Anyone sane doesn't need him to; anyone else won't believe it anyway.
4) If he responds to this, it opens the floodgates for all manner of other frivolous requests.
5) It's more fun this way.

If it says “religion Muslim”: big whoop. That'd be what his parents (neither of whom were Muslim, by the way) would have put, not what he practices or believes today.

You must be joking. You're not aware that we have birthright citizenship in the U.S.? Are you suffering from stupidity or mendacity?

your link doesn't work either, doofus.

The anger in the US is really something. It is like a macabre insanity, It is one thing to be angry if your child is blown to bits from a military strike or if every every family you know has a dead member from war strife, but to go berserk ( the only name for it) because a black man with the middle name of Hussein handily wins the popular vote in 'the freest, most democratic society on the world' ??? – what's that about.

It's likely that Pres. Obama does not have the original copy of his birth certificate. Have never seen my original birth certificate.

Second, does anyone really believe that a white American woman would move to Kenya to give birth? That's suicidal.

What is on his birth certificate are dates. Pres. Obama was conceived before his parents were married.

The Australian one is internally consistent; the “Kenyan” one is not. The Australian one can be found at http://archive.org , indicating that it's been around for awhile.

um hon? This is an ANTI-birthers piece. So your declarations of reading with a discerning eye cast a rather ironic note on your comment, considering you can't even get the point of the piece you're ridiculing. But have a nice day anyway.

you don't have to be born “in America” to be an American citizen. His mother was a citizen, that was enough.

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All 'Youse guys are way behind recent accomplishments.
Illinois recently sent a man with no brains to DC.
He resided in the White House only THREE MONTHS.
Before half the WORLD started looking for work

You'r kidding right?
Have you bothered to read The Constitution?

DUH!

obama loved to ride in the limo with larry sinclair and rev wright, doing crack, and each other! This is an old kenyan custom started by obama's muslim father this is how they prepare male children for life! barry is a born from the hole of his cracker mamma and that rug of a head daddy step-in fetch-it!

Not too smart are you duh?

????

All the proof I need that Obama was born in Hawaii is his birth certificate and not his COLB that can be obtained without being born there.

there is no Federal requirement that a natural born American citizen even have a birth certificate. I doubt that President Lincoln had one – and no one doubted he was a natgural born American. Remember the entries of birth records in family Bibles and similar documents. They are legally valid evidence of what their entries say.
Also, by the way. according to Islamic law Obama is technically a Muslim, whether he likes it or not, because he was born of a father who was a Muslim (it doesn't matter if the father didn't think of himself as a Muslim so long as his father was a Muslim, etc.). The fact that he “renounced” his birthright religion merely makes him an apostate, which is a crime punishable by death in many Muslim countries.

Kenyancitizen- He shouldn’t have misrepresented the fact that he was born in Kenya. Alot of People still love him and would be willing to have the Constituition changed for him, but he pretty much knocked that option to out of reach. He would now have to confess and bow down on his knees and ask for forgiveness to be deported to Kenya rather than face a criminal trial.

Incidentally, have you heard him call for a complete and thorough investigation into this matter?
Has he made a speech to the American People saying “He is my Long/Form BC, I am an American and I am Proud to have been born in Hawaii”…. nope and you won’t either. He is more
proud of his African heritage. And if given a chance he would announce to the world “proud to be a Kenyan”!

Kenyancitizen- He shouldn’t have misrepresented the fact that he was born in Kenya. Alot of People still love him and would be willing to have the Constituition changed for him, but he pretty much knocked that option to out of reach. He would now have to confess and bow down on his knees and ask for forgiveness to be deported to Kenya rather than face a criminal trial.

Incidentally, have you heard him call for a complete and thorough investigation into this matter?
Has he made a speech to the American People saying “He is my Long/Form BC, I am an American and I am Proud to have been born in Hawaii”…. nope and you won’t either. He is more
proud of his African heritage. And if given a chance he would announce to the world “proud to be a Kenyan”!

A person's action tells ali what
no peace of paper could know

[...] David Weigel seems to have found the source of that Kenyan birth record: an Australian birth record taken from an Internet genealogy site. By JDZ Feedbacks on this entry via RSS 2.0 Please leave a Comment or discuss via Trackback! One Feedback on "Well, That Settles It" meaux [...]

“NO”, answered the White House when asked,
“Is there any evidence the White House can release to settle the “Birther” claim”

Where's the controversy?

shame on u

Sorry, Jack, you’re wrong. In TWO ways;
First. a COLB from Hawaii would NOT say he was born in Hawaii; that would be fraud.
Second, the ability to register foreign births on Hawaiian COLB’s didn’t happen until 20 years after Obama’s birth.

Sorry, Jack, you’re wrong. In TWO ways;
First. a COLB from Hawaii would NOT say he was born in Hawaii; that would be fraud.
Second, the ability to register foreign births on Hawaiian COLB’s didn’t happen until 20 years after Obama’s birth.

[...] One small problem: the document in question is quite clearly an altered copy of an Australian birth certificate. [...]

It works just fine.

If the US would just drop the citizenship requirement
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Acorn could elect a really conservative Shiite pres.direct from you wait or saw de or eye rack.

Fabricating? I SAW a debate on Crossfire about it. The reason I remember it was that Bill Press had a great one-liner. He said I’ll trade you; I’ll let you amend the Constitution to allow Arnold to run if you allow me to amend it to allow Bill Clinton to run for a 3rd term.

Secondly, you should never say never; you can’t know what every Republican said at any time. Just ONE example disproves your claim. (And I’ve provided it).

Finally, it’s QUINTESSENTIAL.

Fabricating? I SAW a debate on Crossfire about it. The reason I remember it was that Bill Press had a great one-liner. He said I’ll trade you; I’ll let you amend the Constitution to allow Arnold to run if you allow me to amend it to allow Bill Clinton to run for a 3rd term.

Secondly, you should never say never; you can’t know what every Republican said at any time. Just ONE example disproves your claim. (And I’ve provided it).

Finally, it’s QUINTESSENTIAL.

agree! Amazing how much ignorance and hate there still is. I am afraid that Obama election has only awakened the ignorant and uneducated red necks that look to blame others for their sorry lives than themselves. In the meantime the US has become a joke after 8 years of Cheney/Bush. We have more hate than ever, we are more stupid than before, we are much much fatter than ever, and we owe way too much money to China.

More people should focus on doing good to help our Country back. But sadly there is a pre-occupation with Race, blaming others, stuffing their face,and defending the right to bear M-16's and grenade launchers, exactly the thing our forefathers had in mind when they drafted the constitution.

That's mighty white of you, tpgow! I mean, you have Mike Steele and 7 other blacks in your Party and you show them how much respect you have for Obama…I'm betting they'll be flocking to the GOP next election cycle. And hispanics, too! Because nothing says “big tent” like voting against Sotomayor and letting Tom Tecrando do hispanic outreach! LOL. Plus the young folks…and women. You're gonna enjoy your long hike into the wilderness.

Wow, your favorite show must be “Short Attention Span Theatre 3000″. We’ve been in a recession for the last 2 years, Obama’s been on the job for 6 months, and suddenly HE’S responsible for a global recession.

So tell me, how exactly did Obama cause these job losses? Or is it the same reasoning that blamed him for the stock market fall, even before he took office. Can you at least give him credit for the 2,000 point rise SINCE he’s taken over?

Wow, your favorite show must be “Short Attention Span Theatre 3000″. We’ve been in a recession for the last 2 years, Obama’s been on the job for 6 months, and suddenly HE’S responsible for a global recession.

So tell me, how exactly did Obama cause these job losses? Or is it the same reasoning that blamed him for the stock market fall, even before he took office. Can you at least give him credit for the 2,000 point rise SINCE he’s taken over?

Again, nice try. Attacking the person (who disagrees with you) instead of the idea simply shows that you know how weak your argument is. Now a question: With all of that education you purport to have, did they ever teach you the difference between intelligence and education?

Again, nice try. Attacking the person (who disagrees with you) instead of the idea simply shows that you know how weak your argument is. Now a question: With all of that education you purport to have, did they ever teach you the difference between intelligence and education?

[...] To their glee, the “birthers” have discovered via the internet, a 1964 “Republic of Kenya” birth certificate, dated BEFORE there was a Republic of Kenya. We’ve seen Ashton Kushner in the Obama celebrity entourage. Could it be possible that the “birthers” have been “punked” with this Kenyan birth certificate? Apparently so, according Markos of Daily Kos. [Read the debunking analysis here.] And it turns out, the source of the forged Republic of Kenya birth certificate is Australia. [...]

Seems like only a couple of years ago, Republicans were ready to revisit the 'natural born' Constitutional issue for their darling, Arnold Schwartzeneggar. Amazing the intellectual consistency of conservatives. Almost as consistent as their moral virtues.

You are making the point that a document only available for public view online is easily manupulated.

You get my point?

Obama can end all of this by making his real birth certifice available for public inspection. Why doesn't he do that? It is a cynical ploy to keep this issue in the news to distract from his policy failures or what?

The link is to the Coral Cache of the original page. It should be populated through most of the CDN, but I think it's possible that it hasn't reached your nearest node yet. Also, I'm not sure how Coral handles 404 errors over time, but for now it's returning a perfect cache of the original image when accessed here in Maine.

Perhaps not the Governor, but the person in charge of the records vouched for it:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen,” Fukino said in a statement. “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago.”

Perhaps not the Governor, but the person in charge of the records vouched for it:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen,” Fukino said in a statement. “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago.”

Scratch that, the CDN has updated to the 404… oh well

@ jamesdecatur , get your head out of the sand. His “real” actual original authenticated birth certiifcate has been posted on the internet for all to see. Several months ago.

As mentioned by @hcv, archive.org holds several snapshots of the site, e.g. http://web.archive.org/web/20070205211559/http:…

Unfortunately, they did not cache the image itself, but it's all over the web by now.

Better do a Google before you accuse people of lying, Till. Took me about ten seconds to find that Republicans indeed were trying to get the rules changed for The governor of California

Senator Hatch Republican of Utah, introduced a bill in 2003 called the “Equal Right to Govern” act.

This act would allow people who were Naturalized citizens for at least 20 years to run for President. Schwartznegger had been a Naturalized citizen since 1983.

Full story is in the 2004-12-02 edition of USA Today.

Better do a Google before you accuse people of lying, Till. Took me about ten seconds to find that Republicans indeed were trying to get the rules changed for The governor of California

Senator Hatch Republican of Utah, introduced a bill in 2003 called the “Equal Right to Govern” act.

This act would allow people who were Naturalized citizens for at least 20 years to run for President. Schwartznegger had been a Naturalized citizen since 1983.

Full story is in the 2004-12-02 edition of USA Today.

That doesn’t square with my understanding of the facts, which is that he was born in a US military hospital. Where’s your link showing that Colon Hospital was “never part of the Canal Zone”?

That doesn’t square with my understanding of the facts, which is that he was born in a US military hospital. Where’s your link showing that Colon Hospital was “never part of the Canal Zone”?

IF this is a criterion, explain how SIX previous presidents had only one American parent; in fact, Andrew Jackson had TWO Irish-immigrant parents. Chester Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover etc., etc only had ONE American parent.

IF this is a criterion, explain how SIX previous presidents had only one American parent; in fact, Andrew Jackson had TWO Irish-immigrant parents. Chester Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover etc., etc only had ONE American parent.

McCain was born in the Coco Solo Naval Hospital located on the US Naval Base in 1936, which was part of the Canal Zone. Some have looked at the current location of the Coco Solo Naval Hospital, built in 1941, which is located within boundry of the Canal Zone, but was in territory of the two cities excluded from the Canal Zone until annexed in 1941, and concluded that McCain was born outside the territory, but they are clearly wrong (a US military base qualifies on its own, even if they were right about Canal Zone boundries). The Supreme court ruled in 1964 that those born in US territories were US Citizens in response to Goldwater running (he was born in Arizona before it was a state).

In Robinson vs Bowen case in US District court in Riverside, California, judge decided McCain was a citizen, though there was wiggle room if someone wanted to appeal, but no one did.

McCain was born in the Coco Solo Naval Hospital located on the US Naval Base in 1936, which was part of the Canal Zone. Some have looked at the current location of the Coco Solo Naval Hospital, built in 1941, which is located within boundry of the Canal Zone, but was in territory of the two cities excluded from the Canal Zone until annexed in 1941, and concluded that McCain was born outside the territory, but they are clearly wrong (a US military base qualifies on its own, even if they were right about Canal Zone boundries). The Supreme court ruled in 1964 that those born in US territories were US Citizens in response to Goldwater running (he was born in Arizona before it was a state).

In Robinson vs Bowen case in US District court in Riverside, California, judge decided McCain was a citizen, though there was wiggle room if someone wanted to appeal, but no one did.

Except for you can't get a COLB without being born there unless you believe websites written by nitwits incapable of understanding the laws written decades after the dates in question. A Hawaiian COLB can get you a passport and is recognized by the State Department as proof that someone was born in the US. What Obama released is the ONLY official birth certificate the state of Hawaii presently gives out, and its been approved as proof of citizenship. It can get you a passport, which is about as concrete a proof of citizenship as one can get. Do you really think the US Department of State has such willy-nilly, easily falsified ways to get a passport? If so, why doesn't every illegal immigrant get one this way? Or does it make more sense that some “lawyer” who got her “degree” from a website and isn't even a member of the American Bar Association is incapable of understanding basic legalese?

The simple fact is you hate Obama and there is nothing else to it. Just admit that. I hated Bush. There is nothing wrong with disliking the president. Almost 50% of voters voted for the other guy in most elections anyway. Heck, in 2000, more than 50% did!

He released his birth certificate. Check your facts.

He released his birth certificate. Check your facts.

There is a very nice comparison of the Australian docments and the forgery here:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9981/kenyaau…

The key thing that gives it away is the fact that the book numbers are the same. “Book 44B Page 5733″. It is very unlikely that a birth certificate from Kenya and one from Australia would have the same book numbers.

1. Nobel Prize is so IMPORTANT. Al Gore got one and he thinks the world is going to end through Global Warming and HE invented the internet.

2. You are right. The DEMS controlled the house for the last two years under Bush when the housing crises exploded. Under Clinton, when we had a surplus the House was controlled by the Rep, the last 6 years of his administration. And under Reagan and Bush 1, the House was controlled by the Democrats.

3. You said two points but you made three. Obama apologize to everybody but our best allies. To England and to Israel he snubs them.

Your points are good, all for the Republicans

1. Nobel Prize is so IMPORTANT. Al Gore got one and he thinks the world is going to end through Global Warming and HE invented the internet.

2. You are right. The DEMS controlled the house for the last two years under Bush when the housing crises exploded. Under Clinton, when we had a surplus the House was controlled by the Rep, the last 6 years of his administration. And under Reagan and Bush 1, the House was controlled by the Democrats.

3. You said two points but you made three. Obama apologize to everybody but our best allies. To England and to Israel he snubs them.

Your points are good, all for the Republicans

[...] fake Kenyan birth certificate being shopped around by the birthers yesterday looks like it was copied from an Australian birth certificate. So does that make Obama a New Zealander? (Washington [...]

Look in the mirror. Idiots like you are the problem with this country. Obama is a joke and so are his worshippers.

Look in the mirror. Idiots like you are the problem with this country. Obama is a joke and so are his worshippers.

The section on the meaning of what “natural born” MEANT to the Framers has never been changed. The evidence is patently clear. The Framers accepted both “jus soli” and jus sanguinus” as constituting “natural born”. That was their intent of the meaning of “natural born”…it wasn’t the same as “native born”.

lthough other aspects of the Constitution can be altered by an act this aspect cannot be repealed without a Constitutional Amendment. It has been modified somewhat by the l4th, l5th and l8th Amendments but this broa dened the definition of who Constituted full citizens by “jus soli” (blacks and women)…thus their descendents were granted the rights by jus sanguinus (blood descent) that formerly was restricted to White men.

But Robinson v. Bowen was thrown out; the judge didn’t hear any evidence re McCain; btw, McCain never showed his BC, and was not part of the case. My highly refined bulls*** serves me once again.

But Robinson v. Bowen was thrown out; the judge didn’t hear any evidence re McCain; btw, McCain never showed his BC, and was not part of the case. My highly refined bulls*** serves me once again.

Dude…you are a riot.

Dude…you are a riot.

Freedom,

THINK, I know GOP’s are not used to it but try. O is trying to fix what the GOP nut case called W left him. No one knows if his policies will work over the long haul but here is what we do know your guy W had 8 years to show us how stupid his policies are! All the Dems are doing is trying to fix a mess your side left, a mess the likes of which have never been seen before so shut up hold on and pray the GOP doesn’t screw up the fix as they seem to like this sorry mess where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They just want to reduce the number of rich so controling them will be easier.

Freedom,

THINK, I know GOP’s are not used to it but try. O is trying to fix what the GOP nut case called W left him. No one knows if his policies will work over the long haul but here is what we do know your guy W had 8 years to show us how stupid his policies are! All the Dems are doing is trying to fix a mess your side left, a mess the likes of which have never been seen before so shut up hold on and pray the GOP doesn’t screw up the fix as they seem to like this sorry mess where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They just want to reduce the number of rich so controling them will be easier.

Wait until Bamsters 4 years are up. They will be judged the worst in history. Jimmy Carter will be so relieved.

Wait until Bamsters 4 years are up. They will be judged the worst in history. Jimmy Carter will be so relieved.

You’re an idiot–wreckless with your “facts” And have absolutely no grasp ofeconomics.

Reagan’s 1981 business-tax cut and the reductions in personal-income-tax rates in 1982 and 1983 raised the after-tax earnings on real investment in the U.S. relative to the rest of the world. Instead of exporting capital, the U.S. retained it and financed its own deficit.. Unlike today where individuals and businesses are punished with high taxes on income they create outside the US. That’s why an estimated $13 trillion lies in banks outside the US and won’t be coming home anytime soon.

As the budget deficit under Reagan rose, interest rates fell. A good thing for economic growth. I remember the 18% home mortgage loans under Carter.Made home ownership alot more expensive.

Reagan rescued us from Carter’s miserable economy and double digit inflation–bringing inflation down from more than 11% to less than 4%

Supply-side economics made good on its promise—Ronald Reagan delivered both the longest peacetime U.S. expansion and disinflation. This achievement has been buried under a pack of lies told by people whose reputations exceed what their integrity warrants. (From the National Review)

You’ve also inflated the National debt under Reagan by $5.5 Trillion. But then no one expect Liberals to use actual factual material to try to prove a point. The very fact that they make a statement no matter how erroneous should be enough…

You’re an idiot–wreckless with your “facts” And have absolutely no grasp ofeconomics.

Reagan’s 1981 business-tax cut and the reductions in personal-income-tax rates in 1982 and 1983 raised the after-tax earnings on real investment in the U.S. relative to the rest of the world. Instead of exporting capital, the U.S. retained it and financed its own deficit.. Unlike today where individuals and businesses are punished with high taxes on income they create outside the US. That’s why an estimated $13 trillion lies in banks outside the US and won’t be coming home anytime soon.

As the budget deficit under Reagan rose, interest rates fell. A good thing for economic growth. I remember the 18% home mortgage loans under Carter.Made home ownership alot more expensive.

Reagan rescued us from Carter’s miserable economy and double digit inflation–bringing inflation down from more than 11% to less than 4%

Supply-side economics made good on its promise—Ronald Reagan delivered both the longest peacetime U.S. expansion and disinflation. This achievement has been buried under a pack of lies told by people whose reputations exceed what their integrity warrants. (From the National Review)

You’ve also inflated the National debt under Reagan by $5.5 Trillion. But then no one expect Liberals to use actual factual material to try to prove a point. The very fact that they make a statement no matter how erroneous should be enough…

Well! You know now days, so many wonderful things can happen to you if you are rich and famous!! cause there are so many more who are not and will definitely try and get a bit of that glamour you have. So, don't worry if someone says that you have been found out and that this and that is about you. The best you can do is to bask in your own limelight and say, well! at least someone is wasting their time today on me and that makes me a little more famous is what the other person does not know. And, beside, there are umteens of sikies today, that will do anything to bring a good name down, just take it as a punch of salt cause, no matter what you do, there will always be something else on you. Enjoy it all as life is short and damn the rest.

Clearly not everybody in the world wants to live in America, but keep fapping to that lie.

Clearly not everybody in the world wants to live in America, but keep fapping to that lie.

1. Yeah, shithead, the Nobel prize is important. Al Gore and about 2,000 scientists think Global Warming is a problem. Who you got, Glen Beck
2. Typical; when Republicans are in the White House, blame congress. When Dems control congress, blame the White House. Whatever happened ot personal responsiblity.

Here’s the problem with arguing with republitards; they can’t grasp complex ideas. Let’s discuss your little shot at Al Gore, JUST FOR THE EXAMPLE IT MAKES!

First, you start with a lie. Then repeat it enough until it takes hold. AL GORE NEVER SAID HE “INVENTED” THE INTERNET. Find a quote that says he did; I dare you. I double-dog dare you. Google search; you know, Al Gore & Internet & Invent. You won’t find it.
Finally, you mock him for it. What he DID do was authorize funding for DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Ad.) who needed a more efficient method of sharing information, so they linked up via phone lines. So, in a way, Gore and hundreds of scientists were RESPONSIBLE for the internet. But he never said he INVENTED it!

Oh, BTW, do you LIKE the internet that allows us to communicate like this? It was first a GOVERNMENT PROGRAM! See. the gov. works sometimes.

1. Yeah, shithead, the Nobel prize is important. Al Gore and about 2,000 scientists think Global Warming is a problem. Who you got, Glen Beck
2. Typical; when Republicans are in the White House, blame congress. When Dems control congress, blame the White House. Whatever happened ot personal responsiblity.

Here’s the problem with arguing with republitards; they can’t grasp complex ideas. Let’s discuss your little shot at Al Gore, JUST FOR THE EXAMPLE IT MAKES!

First, you start with a lie. Then repeat it enough until it takes hold. AL GORE NEVER SAID HE “INVENTED” THE INTERNET. Find a quote that says he did; I dare you. I double-dog dare you. Google search; you know, Al Gore & Internet & Invent. You won’t find it.
Finally, you mock him for it. What he DID do was authorize funding for DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Ad.) who needed a more efficient method of sharing information, so they linked up via phone lines. So, in a way, Gore and hundreds of scientists were RESPONSIBLE for the internet. But he never said he INVENTED it!

Oh, BTW, do you LIKE the internet that allows us to communicate like this? It was first a GOVERNMENT PROGRAM! See. the gov. works sometimes.

That's an obfuscating untruth. Republicans have NEVER sought to revisit “natural born.” You are the quentessential democrat, fabricating nonsense to promote your agenda.

“You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist” I never saw any non-white people either.

“You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist” I never saw any non-white people either.

24Ahead: fired by Michelle Malkin for being too fucking crazy.

24Ahead: fired by Michelle Malkin for being too fucking crazy.

Jeff,

Loved it but she does have a nice butt!

Jeff,

Loved it but she does have a nice butt!

As long as you are obsessing over this you aren't paying a bit of attention to the healthcare mess!!!!! Get your heads out of the sand and stand up for the people!!! At least fight for the right to have your health!!!!

…? If you are born of a Kenyan father, irrespective of where you are born in the world, irrespective of what birth certificate or nationality you’ve adopted, you are automatically a Kenyan citizen and you request for that citizenship to be formalized at any point in your life…apart from if you are under the age of 21 when a parent or guardian would be required to apply for you, such as in the case of his two daughters, for example, who also qualify for citizenship….the relevant section of the Kenyan constitution is section 87 (2) which reads…(2) Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th
December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a
British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his
death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1),
become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.,”
This citizenship right does not require one to have a birth certificate from Kenya, neither does it negate citizenship rights if one already holds citizenship in another country. Therefore one could have a birth certificate from Hawaii and be a US citizen and still qualify and retain the right to his/her citizenship of Kenya…all a person needs is to establish their father is/was a Kenyan citizen and automatically they get full citizenship. If you have already formally adopted another citizenship you will have to formally renounce your other citizenship in order to take up the Kenyan citizenship. However a modification to the Kenyan constitution has been proposed to make it possible to retain dual citizenship in the near future, so Obama could vote in Kenya legally when this is passed, probably before 2012 and run for President here in 2015.
So for purpose of this debate, note that it isn't necessarily to prove he has a Kenyan birth certificate to prove he is a Kenyan citizen, the constitution of Kenya already says he is as long as his father was Kenyan
… relax, let our Kenyan rule the free world, he will take good care of you….

A person who doesn't know how to think rationally or read articles for himself can also be “easily manupulated.”

Whether the online document is capable of being photoshopped is irrelevant. State officials, including the Republican governor of Hawai'i, have agreed with factcheck.org that the paper hard copy of the COLB is authentic.

So, do you have any proof that those people are all lying?

Is your post “a cynical ploy to keep this issue in the news?” I hope so. You're great advertising for Democrats. And spell-check software.

Of course I am reasonable. I don’t need to call True Believers names. I just need to ask a simple question that has not been answered to get folks like you all spun up:

Where’s the Birth Certificate?

You claim I’m asking for “further proof of what is proven” — but the problem is that there has not been any “proof” presented.

Obama refuses to release his original birth certificate — this is irefutable fact. He has also sealed most of his other life records, from his kindergarten records, college records, passport records, medical records, etc …

What is he hiding?

Nor am I making “absurd claims”. I do not claim Obama was born in a foreign country, I’m just asking for simple proof that he was not.

Why doesn’t he release his birth certificate?

Of course I am reasonable. I don’t need to call True Believers names. I just need to ask a simple question that has not been answered to get folks like you all spun up:

Where’s the Birth Certificate?

You claim I’m asking for “further proof of what is proven” — but the problem is that there has not been any “proof” presented.

Obama refuses to release his original birth certificate — this is irefutable fact. He has also sealed most of his other life records, from his kindergarten records, college records, passport records, medical records, etc …

What is he hiding?

Nor am I making “absurd claims”. I do not claim Obama was born in a foreign country, I’m just asking for simple proof that he was not.

Why doesn’t he release his birth certificate?

No, tp, that is an urban legend. Otherwise, every cleaning lady and member of the janitorial staff would try to give birth in our embassies.

Also, I haven’t seen any evidence that McCain was born on a military base; his official bio has him born in Panama, but doesn’t specify on base.

IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! Guess who HASN’T shown his birth certificate? John McCain!

No, tp, that is an urban legend. Otherwise, every cleaning lady and member of the janitorial staff would try to give birth in our embassies.

Also, I haven’t seen any evidence that McCain was born on a military base; his official bio has him born in Panama, but doesn’t specify on base.

IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! Guess who HASN’T shown his birth certificate? John McCain!

“High-level political operatives from Arnold 's Schwarzenegger's gubernatorial campaign have commenced a media blitzkrieg propagandizing for a change in the Constitution so Arnold can run for President.

Arnold has said for decades that he wants to amend the Constitution so he can be President. Now, Congressman Dana Rohrbacher, Senator Orin Hatch and others have introduced legislation known in Congress as “Arnold Bills” to give Schwarzenegger what he wants. This has been an obvious, well-focused campaign to mold public opinion in favor of amending the Constitution for Arnold Schwarzenegger.”

http://www.arnoldexposed.com/media.html

So, Rohrbacher and Hatch are non-existent? Because they're Republicans.

Please define “obfuscating untruth.” Or just use your own post as an example. Either way.

We in the other parts of the world love to watch americans hate each other for their color, race, language and breed. We love to see you defile your intelligent president to the world and wonder how the hell you ever got to the top when you cannot see further than your noses. Now, for those who are reading this, I know you must be fuming, but this also is accepted, cause you rednecks think that your own shit does not stink and so, try to bring down whoever is above you and not white. Go ahead, make my day from day to day as I watch, read your silly bickerings when there is a president in DC who has been given the wonderful inheritance of a great big mess that the previous Government created. Me thinks, that Obama was destined to be the 44th US President as none other was to willing to take up the previous administration's woes and so, they started to drop out one by one, simply pretending to be in the race for real and poor old John McCain was picked as most knew that he did not stand a chance at all. Think about this for awhile before you begin to critisize President Obama who stood tall, believing that the best was yet to come for America. Most americans I have met, are pretty cool, I guess I'm talking about a small percentage, but that small percentage can destroy the goodness of America as time goes by. As they say… “One bad Apple in a basket of good Apples, can destroy the whole lot.”
God Bless America as I hope the saying will still be there in the future!!!!

Kenyan law does not trump the Constitution of the United States.

We in this country could care less what a foreign nation has to say about its own citizenship laws. Our Constitution requires our president to be born in the United States. The man we elected president, with more votes than any presidential candidate in history, was born in the United States. There's nothing more to the story.

If you were born out of state the Hawai'ian government would, in some circumstances, issue you a COLB.

But in no event would they lie about your birth place. Your COLB from Hawai'i would just indicate, for example, that you were born in Florida.

Or, in your case, it'd say you were born last night.

He already made his “real birth certificate” available for public inspection.

The question wasn't whether there was evidence to “settle” the claim. There is evidence, and the claim has been settled.

The question was whether there was evidence to shut up the birthers. The answer, correctly, was no. The birthers will never shut up regardless of the state of the evidence.

Hmmm. All you've done is discredit the people who go around calling everyone liars.

You even do a bad fucking job of THAT, doofus.

What is this now, the fifth or sixth journalist or public figure you've accused of lying?

Your avatar is appropriate. Can you see land from that far out to sea?

There's no difference between a COLB and a birth certificate.

Hi Bruce,
I did not really make any racist remark; you could see that I put the n word
in parenthesis, meaning, I do not sincerely see Mr Obama as anything other
than an American. I, myself am black and I am certainly .one of the best
human beings on earth. In my opinion, the so called “birthers” are the
racists, especially in relation to the Obama birth cert saga, and I tell you
what; if the birthers raised questions about the citizenship of previous
presidents – who were all white – it was alright. But if they do it in the
case of Obama, it surely is racism.
Take this from me, the idlers will never find anything other than the fact
that Obama is an American and Americans made the correct decision to have
elected him. There is no “heck of a mess” here Bruce. If you have any on
your hands, know that it is your colleagues, the birthers who placed it
there, and that will have nothing to do with Obama.
It is the birthers and other right wingers and what they do that is
disgusting not my putting a word in quotes, okay?
I want to repeat that Obama will make a better president than the moron
Bush.
Abubakar, Abuja, Nigeria.

This whole thing with the fake birth certificate was probably cooked up by someone in the camp of Rupert Murdoch and the news corp. Since as a natural born australian he couldn't legally own the fox television station until he became a US citizen. Now he owns the Dow and New York times and controls one of the largest media conglomerates in the world. And I dont know if you folks follow Fox News but they're not exactly Pro Obama. Dont believe what they tell you, its all hokus pokus bull $%^. Do your own research.

Carl4432,

Instead of empty words quote me some facts!!! I am challenging your superior intellect, show us that you are capable of ACTUAL thought rather than merely regurgitating empty, meaningless, statements every liberal talk show host (and yes I listen to them and not to Rush or Sean) has repeated ad nauseum. Give me facts, son, not your mantras,

By the way before you make a bigger fool of yourself read some up on some economics, read up on some some recent history about how enlightened Europe is sloooowly moving away from the Socialist model, read up how communism failed.

Oh, before I forget… the GAO (know who they are, kid?!?) also thinks Obama’s Theory of Economics is disastrous. Look it up and then I want to see you show off your brilliance.

Now, let me give you a fatherly piece of advice… please stop foaming at the mouth, it’s really bad for you kid.

Any child born in the US soil is an automatic American citizen, regardless of what else any other country states. But for the sake of discussion as per your statement, Obama was born in 1961 making him a British subject if he followed his father. But never mind this is the father who abandoned his teenage mom when Obama was 2 instead choosing to pursue his studies in Harvard.

The only legacy there is for Kenya is shame and abandonment, Obama is too decent to still acknowledge his paternal relatives. God Bless him

Hey, did you hear that Sarah Palin lost her book deal? You betcha. She decided that everyone knew that the book was going to come to an end anyway, so she quit half way through.

“Our Constitution requires our president to be born in the United States.”

I wouldn't go that far, Neil. It just requires that he or she be a natural-born citizen.

You can have that status if you're born abroad. *cough* John McCain *cough*

You just need your parents, or one of them at least, to be citizens. Certain details apply depending on whether it's one or both parents, etc.

I completely agree that there's nothing more to this story, from a truth-finding standpoint. But as a sociological opportunity or experiment, it is likely to continue to provide very instructive, fascinating data for months or years to come.

Like fixing health care? /snickers

I hope I don’t have to sit in the nosebleed section for the “Crash and Burn” spectacle.

“Dude”

People in their early 20′s use this term, I am curious

Please tell me your age , education level, and party of choice?

Just read your name thought so. When you get “growed up” write again

and don’t forget the CAPZ LOCK POSSE!

I have a Kenyan birth certificate dated, 1964 and it is nowwhere near that crap these guys are pendling. Kenya Birth certificates are never on white paper, they are all landscape format and the registry guys does a pretty good job in the different numbers that appear on the certificate

Obama does not decide what kind of doc the US gov issues him, thats why he posted Birth certificate he got from Hawaii. Yet this immigrant woman has the audacity to forge docs and completely disregard US gov docs. How do we know her green card or whatever it is she has gives her legal residence? she is a master forger and should be sued to bankruptcy

you meant “prove” didn’t you?
Dummy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

The grandfather provision of the “natural born Citizen” clause provides an exception to the “natural born” requirement for those persons who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, but had been born as British subjects before the American Revolution (or were born after the Revolution, but before 1787). Without this exception, ten subsequent presidents would have been constitutionally ineligible to serve.[1]

Why don’t you release your “original long from birth certificate”? I’ll bet you can’t. Even if you could it would just show that your parents were siblings. It might even mention that you were dropped on your head at birth.

I don’t know anybody that has their original birth registration. I’ve never even tried to get a copy of mine. Why? Because you don’t need it, idiot!

You people really need to get a grip on reality. You can’t even avoid contradicting yourself. For instance, how can someone be a “terrorist” muslim and have a “radical” BAPTIST pastor at the same time? I’m sure you’re one of the closet racists who say some c r@p like “I’m not racist, but I can’t vote for a black man”.

Additional Amen! I’ve read his books and nowhere does he state he was born in Kenya. This fabricated “movement” is nothing more than a small group of ignorant white people who are pissed off that a black guy won. I’m white and I’m thrilled that he won. Of course, I also read and am capable of forming my own opinions, plus I don’t give a flip whether he’s black, white, purple or green – I only care that he is the best person for the job. Maybe that’s the difference between rational people and the Birthers.

[...] believe Obama is a citizen. This leaves Republicans open to falling for hoaxes, such as a fake Kenyan birth certificate which has been spread around the internet the last couple of days. While right wing sources such as [...]

Well, reasonable minds can differ on the birth requirement. I think birth on a US military base abroad qualifies, but I'm not convinced that birth abroad otherwise would. Whatever the case may be, the issue is moot and/or irrelevant because Obama was born in Honolulu.

I love Chris kelly Take on this …

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;”

So if we take the Constitution “Literally” word by word with out left-wing liberal interpretation and spin then the outcome is:”

a. Barack Obama can’t be president, even if he was born in Hawaii, because Hawaii wasn’t a state when the Constitution was adopted In 1788.

b. Therefore you can only be president if you were born in one of the original 13 colonies. Sorry Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan Bill Clinton … What are you smiling at, Abe? Kentucky didn’t join the Union until 1792

c. Read it again … It’s not just about where you were born. It says you can never be president unless you were alive in 1788. That leaves out everyone but Robert Byrd.

Here is the full article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/the-constitution-says-oba_b_249730.html?page=21

Mine is the original. And I’m only a friggin cashier, not the bloody PotUS. Nowhere does it say “certification that the original exists.” In big, bold, Old English letters across the top it says “Certificate of Birth.” Even has the raised stamp from the Health Department, and the multicolored signature, that it’s required to have to prove it’s an original document, as it says right across the bottom. So, yeah. Just saying. I’d scan it to show you, but you’d probably try to get a driver’s license with it, or something.

You really are a spammer though. That is my fact based take on this.

Were you born in Hawaii? Otherwise your post is irrelevant.

If Obama had no US born birth certificate, how did he get documents such as SSN, drivers license, US passport. If he were born out of the country with one parent a US citizen, his mother, he would have been issued by the embassy in the foreign country a “Certificate of a US citizen Born in a Foreign Country, as many of our GI's kids born in Germany, Japan and elsewhere. Where is that? But, then again, where is his Hawaii issued birth certificate?
Is there any proof to this Malaysian BC used to get a California college scholarship?
Curious people want to know.

Sorry Timothy. You didn’t read the clarification? Treasury Secretary, and the White House, confirmed that they would NOT seek additional taxes on those making less than $250K/year.

I’d strongly suggest you actually look at the economic numbers. Yes, unemployment is still going strong, but it is slowing. Consumer Confidence actually GREW in the last reporting period, and the GDP shrunk less than it has in a year last quarter, indicating that the recession is slowing down, which indicates that the economy is turning around. Slowly. It takes a LONG time to undo the damage done over 8 years of pillaging.

Regarding respect around the world, I suggest you read the comments here , on this article, from our foreign friends. MOST of them have more respect for Obama than they EVER had for Bush. He was a 2-bit (fake) cowboy (he’s not from Texas you know. He’s upper-crust East Coast Establishment all the way, that fake Texas twang and all that brush-clearing aside). Obama is at least man enough to admit when he makes a mistake (as he did in the Gates affair). Has George *ever* admitted he made a SINGLE mistake in 8 years? Nope. Still hasn’t. Can’t.

So far, I’d say that Obama has done more for the American image abroad than I thought he could, given where we started. He has begun to turn the economy around, but it will take time given what a shit-can George and Dick left it smoldering in.

Now, regarding your assertion of the COLB from Hawaii. Yes, you can get one. But it will state clearly that you were not born there. Janet Okubo (I think that’s her name, I’d have to check) has said as much publicly. And you can do that today. BUT (and this is a big but, and a tricky part for most Birthers, so pay attention) that law was passed AFTER 1961. So Obama could NOT have done that. Since when have you had to show a birth certificate to work? I don’t. I show two forms of ID, usually my Social Security card and a driver license or a passport, and there you go! I even worked for the Federal Government and had to have a security Clearance (DOE Q Clearance) done, and they didn’t ask for my Birth Certificate. All that is a long-form (since birthers are so fond of those) way of saying I think you’re pretty much full of shit there.

I have no partisan hatred. Do I think the Republican party is full of shit? Completely. Do I think they convince people who are generally to ignorant to know otherwise to rally against their own self interests? Somehow they manage it. Do I think the Democrats are full of shit? Completely. Do I think they at least have the well-being of the country at heart? Yes, I do.

Now, lastly, your assertion that Obama is somehow ‘incompetent.’ On what do you base that? His Harvard Law degree? Or are you comparing him to George Bush somehow? Someone who’s major claim to fame seems to have been a) his daddy and b) his uncanny ability to run almost every business he touched previously (and currently, it turns out) into bankruptcy? George bankrupted an OIL company. In West Texas, During an OIL BOOM for fuck’s sake. And yet he was competent and Obama isn’t? I’d say the jury is still out on Obama, while it is well in on George. Bush was an abject failure in foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy, and even war.

So let’s at least give Obama a chance to succeed or fail. But to declare it a failure at this point? A bit premature.

Just being born on American soil makes one an American. If you did not know that Cricket51……….your ignorance is frightening. Learn more before you post again please.

His birth announcement in the HI papers was placed there by Hawaii’s Dept. of Vital Records, Chucklenuts.

Thanks for your illiterate comments.

Right. And if only Bigfoot would land his UFO and step out arm in arm with Elvis we could put an end to all the questions that keep being raised. But the fact that he hasn’t only goes to prove that it must be true.

You seem to favor the kind of transparency that is so transparent…it isn’t even there.

The Australian ABC have found the man whose birth certificate was copied. Listen to the interview here.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2646009.htm

His birth certificate was up on the net and they managed to find it.

But McCain wasn't born on a US military base. According to his birth certificate, he was born in Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama. Colon was always part of Panama, and was never part of the Canal Zone.
See for yourself:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11110505/JohnMcCain-B…

ask Palin to produce a BC for trig..and try n put that to rest

Crciket 51 All i have to say about your assertino about the US Constitution- BULL CRAP

Natural born citizen does nto translate into 2 US born citizens. nice try, It just goes to show how you end up shooting yourselves int eh foot. If that were indeedt he case NOONE HERE IS A US Citizen
If you were not of native american descent, then your how many generations back when they came over here from Europe and gave birth that child was not a US citizen ( using your logic). T
Enough.

Hey Elton,

We’re not taking about just being an American citizen-we’re talking about a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, the requirement to be POTUS; that requirement is unique to the office of POTUS.

You’re the one who should be doing more research before you call others ‘ignorant.’ You’ve obviously not read the Constitution and if you have, do NOT understand it.

Bullshit. Conservative talk shows were full of excited speculation about how to amend the Constitution to allowed naturalized citizens to run for President. There was such a negative response from the public that Schwarzenegger himself had to go on TV and disavow the whole thing.

The difference? Schwarzenegger is white. Obama is black. And no one, NO ONE, questioned Obama's citizenship status until this idiotic birther nonsense started last summer.

Wrong. Islam has no such provision. You are confusing Islam with Judaism, where the child of a Jewish *woman* is automatically Jewish unless and until s/he converts to another faith.

Sorry, but that law wasn't passed until 1981.

Fail.

He already released his birth certificate.

Fail.

I work in the Mental Health field, and all I can say is you conspiracy theorists better get treated for Paranoia, and quit listening to the fat, pill popping (War on Drugs, Family values advocate, who has been divprced 3 times) Rush, who is the biggest hypocrite in the United States, and the most unpatriotic slob there is, wanting the President’s policies to fail and the every day , hard working, Americans to suffer, due to political reasons. I think his major audience consists of people who’s family tree doesn’t branch!

What is it with you and double posting, sir? Your points really aren’t good enough to merit saying twice, fyi.

As for staying on-topic, have you ever had a conversation? There are these things called tangents. In Geometry, a tangent is a line that has one, and only one point in common with a circle. When alluding to a tangent in conversation, you’re in the circle talking about your thing, and then the tangent comes. Instead of staying in the circle talking about the same thing, you follow the tangent instead, and talk about something new. That’s where ideas come from. Talking outside the circle is a lot like thinking outside the box.

Again, not up to Obama to disprove your crazy ideas. It’s up to YOU to prove them. So far, your side’s got nothing. Well, except forgeries.

Yes, I am a called Minister by The Spirit of GOD.  Evidently, you don’t know what an authentic birth certificate looks like.  That type of birth certificate that is shown on behalf of Obama is downsized version and I believe that that type of birth certificate is what corrupt corporatist and gain willed politicians are allowing to be accepted as a birth certificate to hide the true origin of where a lot a of these undocumented illegal people that are brought here to destroy the economy of our Nation by paying them slave wages.  I don’t know wether or not if you have seen an authentic long version of a birth certificate, if not ask one of your elders to show you what an authentic birth certificate looks like.  Thank You.  Because I am a Minister of Jesus Christ/The Word of GOD which is The Truth; it The Truth which I seek.  God Bless You.       

Ira L. Lewis

Birth certificates don't contain information about religion. Get your own BC out and look at it, if you have one. It won't say what religion you are (and what newborn has a religion anyway?) or your parents either. Try it, then be embarrassed about what you said.

“Your points really aren’t good enough to merit saying twice, fyi.”

Yes, they are. Yes, they are.

In my own defense, I find I have to say everything twice because people like you can’t listen once without their own pomposity getting in the way.

I don’t care if you do work in the health industry, you had better do an investigation as what an authentic birth certificate looks like.  Evidently, you are a newer birth generation than myself; but I have the original copy of my birth certificate of 58 years of age and copies os that original copy.  You need to do background research as to what these type of birth certificates look like.  Again, GOD Bless you. 

Ira L. Lewis

I don’t know why you weren’t worried about debt 2 years ago, because the vast majority of it grew during the Bush years.

Umberto,

I must tip my hat to your own obvious display of genius. Here’s the deaI (I realize it might make you uncomfortable, sorry!) I have said nothing about the birth certificate Dr. Orly Taitz showed on TV, because, whether she realized or not, it’s obvious to me that what she showed was a forgery. Which still does NOT resolve the question asked by the birthers. Only Obama can quell that argument, just like McCain immediately did when your people brought it up against him.

My comment only referred to an individual who tried to change the debate to bring up extraneous issues about Bush WHICH HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE. I merely tried to get him to provide facts on what he did say, instead of just foaming at the mouth!

Come on Toby Moby, just because you’re a democrat doesn’t mean you’re liberal or progressive and nobody buys into your charade. I’d take a northeast rockafeller republican over a southern dixiecrat any day and twice on sunday.

Listen jerk,

If you knew how to read with comprehension you would already have the answers to your questions. As far as education is concerned I hold a master of science degree. Which high school did you graduate from? Facts…. You GOP assholes are all alike you get the facts and because you don’t like them you invent a reason in your own minds to ignore them. As far as economics goes it is not my field but I have had training in it now why don’t you lie and tell me you hold a PhD in it. GOP assholes are all alike they attack the person and ignore the message. GET A GRIP YOU ASSHOLES LOST AND our side is in power most likely for a long time that is W’s legacy I have repeatedly told my GOP friends that W was the best thing to ever happen for the Democratic party.

Bye the way I am 57 years in age now who’s the kid kid

There is a process for removing the president if conspiracy is proven; so, I would think it wise for Mr. Obama to just prove his birth with the long form certificate and be done with it! If, he chooses not to prove beyond doubt his citizenship, he’s done! The mob of irratated people will only grow, and the heat that is intensifying on congressional and senate leaders will flow over onto Mr. Obama – Whether he likes it or not!

Umberto,

“In my own defense, I find I have to say everything twice because people like you can’t listen once without their own pomposity getting in the way.In my own defense, I find I have to say everything twice because people like you can’t listen once without their own pomposity getting in the way.”

Bravo!!! Bravissimo!!! Now take heed of your own words above and stop displaying your lack of intelligent debating skill… or any kind of intelligence, for that matter.

madcapfeline,

Be fair, please! Don’t confuse Umberto with things like geometry, he’s proven it’s above his pay grade.

Instead of sticking to the facts, instead of offering intelligen rebuttal based on known facts, he has to accuse anyone of his own blind pomposity. Pity him!

Ya

GOP assholes are just that assholes

It is clear that the Framers viewed both those born within the territory of the United States (jus soli( as well as those both of a US Citizen abroad (jus sanguinus) were “natural born”.

The Naturalization Act of 1790, states that “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens”.

People confuse the concept of “native born” with “natural born”…the founders viewed them as somewhat distinct concepts. They recognized that Roman Law, which also dealt with these issues as more children of citizens were born beyond the actual borders of Rome. Thus they incorporated jus sanguinus (law of descent) into their concept of “natural born”. There were others that could apply for citizenship…through Imperial or Senate edict. Those that served in the Roman military of performed some act beneficial to the Empire were “naturalized”.

Obama was born in Hawaii, a US State…that allows him to be President by “jus soli”. But he is also a “natural born” Citizen via “jus sanguinus” nd that right was recognized by the Framers when they wrote the first Citizenship laws just three years after the Constitution was ratified.

Everyone know's that he was born in Kenya,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in a manger.

Hmmm… Which network did Dan Rather work for before he was fired? It is not Fox News that has a proven track record of forging documents.

Why does the media and others try so hard to discredit our President of the United States, I have never seen any other president put under the microscope like Obamma has had to endure. Just get with it. He is an American, He is a great President, He is cleaning up the mess left by the Bush and Clinton Family. Let him get us out of this recession and the country back on its feet already. Enough Already!! He's President and He is here, and so what, he just happens to be Black. Get over it, its 2009 already. When will u really just let the best man for the job, be the best man for the job.

As if either of you knuckleheads had mad skills at debating. You don’t know nuthin’, don’t wanna know nuthin’ and ain’t trainable. You’ll make good Republicans.

I think I just threw up in my mouth! LOL that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time! Thank you for a good laugh!

The link used in Mr. Weigel's post for “'certified copy of registration of birth' from Australia” on bomford.net (http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/Da…) is invalid (“Page Not Found” HTTP 404 error).

Well look at all of the illegals obtaining their fake SSN#'s, dirvers license's and so on. Where there's a will there's a way. I'm not saying Obama stole his but if you're desperate enough to do it you'll fine a way to get it done.

[...] [...]

Wow. Can I live in your perfect place? Everyone in the world wants to live here in America. Why? I thought we were the stupid ones. Are Americans the only people dissatisfied with their government? I'll tell you what stinks……biting the hand that feeds you.

On the Australian form, there is a section “Signature and Description of Authorized Person, and Name, Description and Residence of Informant”. This is not on the kenyan document.

The Australian document is “No. 2″. On April 10, 1959 David Jeffery was only the second person born that year? I know that Australia currently has a very low birth rate, but I doubt that it ever was THAT low.

Note that “G. F. Lavendar” is not aligned with the rest of the type on the Australian form. Everything else is neatly left aligned, like that was the margin set on the typewriter. Why would that line not match?

Crazy people don’t know they’re crazy. Take comfort in that YesIDo. You can make every argument you want and it can sound perfectly logical to you, but that doesn’t mean that it is logical to the rest of us. By the way, the short form birth cirtificate is an acceptable form of proof for eligibility to hold public office — even the president. The long form birth certificate is only an issue because the last peice of proof you asked for, you got.

You’re incredibly naive if you think it’s going to end by him revealing his long form birth certificate. The wheels will keep on turning, and more arguments will pop up. This is not about his birthing, its about delegitamizing BHO. It will never end.

That Bomford.net link isn't working.

Carl,

“Jerk?!?” Is that your best argument?!? Brilliant! I bow to your superior reasoning.

I am 63, kid!!!

“GOP assholes are all alike they attack the person and ignore the message.” Wooow!!! I didn’t call you any names but you just proved who and what you are for the whole wide world to enjoy. Well done, sonny! Congratulations!!!

don’t know if this is true – But BRAVO.

It’s not true (not that that’s ever stopped a birther). One member of the National Guard volunteered, and then decided he didn’t want to be deployed (ok, he decided beforehand as his whole point in volunteering was to be part of an ill-advised court case). So they revoked his orders, and because this coward wanted to play games another soldier had to have his tour extended. That’s it. If any soldier is given deployment orders and refuses (other than Guard volunteers recruited by half-wit lawyers), he/she will face a court-martial.

If he is not a citizen – he is a criminal. And then we are in grave danger of a criminal alien running the military.

He is a citizen. So no danger of criminal aliens using their mind-control devices on us.

Produce the D@mned document.

Already did. In 2008.

If I were in his position I would go on National TV

We are all very glad you are not in his position.

show the document and let his opponents have an independed expert validate it and compare the hand or foot print to his own.

The worst thing the President of the United States could do would be to submit to the demands of deranged birthers who will never be satisfied.

This Would End the Controversy 100%.

Correction: 0%. Crazy ass birther will never stop.

If raises the legitimate Question – “What is he hiding?”

It only raises one question. Who let you people out of the asylum?

Why can no one get comparative copies of uncontested birth certificates from both/either Kenya and Hawaii from that period. Wouldn't that put a lot of this to rest?

The link is not working because “This account has been suspended.
Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources.” Austrailian ISP' are stingy with bandwidth.

By the way, I don't understand all the controversy, like most of the “Birthers” Obama's been “Born Again”, ain't that good enough for you whackos. Oh I forgot, he's the wrong color.

I dont care to see any birth papers as it doesnt matter.. he is ineligible because his father was a British subject at the time of Obama’s Birth making him of dual allegience meaning he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! End of story.. over.. what is going to happen is he IS going to produce a BC that says he was born in Hawaii, and this will all get swept away and the real issue of NATURAL BORN will be no more…The BC issue is being pushed to hide the real problem. I totally believe he was born here.. but he will not ever be a NBC. To be natural born, both parents must be US citizens at the time of the childs birth. There is US Cit, Naturalized Cit and Natural Born…dont get them confused…

First of all, it’s not in his possession. It’s in the Hawaii state archives.

Secondly, why should he bother? He’s already released the birth certificate issued by the State of Hawaii. It’s good enough for any court in the land. Why submit to the demands of lunatics?

It certainly does state “WHERE” the birth took place:

City, Town, or Location of Birth
Honolulu

Island of Birth
Oahu

County of Birth
Honolulu

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

If he’s been so good up to this point at lying and protecting his so-called secret, you don’t think he’d be able to doctor his long form birth certificate too? Try to suspend your disblief, if he’s managed to fool everyone but a small percentage of birthers, what makes you think that he can’t continue the charade and continue to fool people. This is the fallacy of the birther argument. If he was really that adept at deceiving the world, then he’d have no problem producing more deceptions to “prove” his critics wrong.

Here’s the circular logic: Imagine this scenario –

Birthers “Produce the long form birth certificate!”

BHO “Here it is.”

Birthers “it’s fake, you knew that somone would ask for that, so you had one forged. You took so long to produce it, we don’t beleive it’s real!”

Ok — where do we go from here guys?

We need to see and validate the original

No, you don’t.

YesIdo:
first: Hawaii’s govenor is a she ( Linda Lingle) not a him.
and Linda Lingle (Rep.) confirmed that the BC of Obama is real and so did the Health Dep, Director Chiyome Fukino:

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen,”

Thing is when verification attempts are made those illegals are found out. You are saying the FBI and other departments that would have done background checks including contacting the various states and what not to have them look in their archives wouldn't detect irregularties that would show up if he had faked anything?

Dead wrong Fox has a proven track record of lying and they even got told in a court of law that they can legally lie.

Umberto,

Whether you write under this name or any of the others, try doing so without foaming at the mouth, try using some intelligence instead of ad hoc attacks. Just because you scream louder, proves nothing. Except… it shows what you are. Why do you need to publicize it? What desperate demand in your childhood was left unfullfilled?

When resolving http://www.bomford.net/ the following is displayed:

This account has been suspended.
Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources.

Apparently the traffic has exceeded the amount allowed by the level of service purchased by the domain owner.

Not all are found out. I also said that I didn't say Obama did that either.

Uh, yes he has, it’s called a COLB and the photographs at FactCheck

Use the copy on the politijab site

http://politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&…

Oh please, your accusations are garbage. He lied to the US? Where is your proof? At the time of the Iraq war everyone believed Hussein had some sort of weapon, be it nuclear, chemical or biological. He was playing games with the UN in order to appear ‘strong’ to the Mullahs–making it seem that he did have something to hide. It turns out that there wasn’t anything, however nobody lied, save Hussein, and that was only to protect his own power. As for torture….please, I have delved through the pages of history and can tell you that this is nothing compared to actual torture.

You wish to look for a traitor and murderer, look no further than FDR. He went to bed with Stalin, giving him everything he wanted in order to ‘build a partnership to make the world safe for democracy,’ despite the fact that Stalin had killed over 20 million people by this time. He backed Stalin’s population transfer and repatriation programs which lead to the deportation of 30 million people and the deaths of 6 million of them, broken down as 2,000,000 Germans, 1,000,000 Poles, 1,000,000 Ukrainians and Belorussians combined, 1,000,000 ‘repatriated citizens’ (mainly Russians) and 1,000,000 Others (Romanians, Hungarians, Japanese, Bulgarians, Italians, Finns, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians combined). He has more blood on his hands than all other US political leaders combined.

Not to mention he broke several treaties between the US and USSR, ignored the rules of war as agreed upon as of 1908, violated the UN declaration which he himself authored and sold the 100 million survivors of Eastern Europe into Communism, some literally such as the Eastern Poles and the people of the Baltic States which were annexed by the USSR. You have the greatest war criminal of American History here, the beloved leftist leader FDR.

You with no knowledge of history try to depict Bush as a war criminal, yet have no idea what your talking about. The great generals of the past would have been far harsher on these hapless savages in Afghanistan, generals such as Patton and MacAurther, who actually fought the last major US war. Iraq and Afghanistan are naught but skirmishes given more people die from drunk driving per year in the US than all military casualties combined over 8 years. Oh self righteous fools who know nothing of true suffering, what do you say to the millions who died during WWII, the Poles for example, families of 8 where only one child survived, where entire generations were liquidated. That is war, it’s ugly, it’s inhuman, it’s something we have not faced in 64 years.

He is the best man for the job of destroying this country with his irresponsible spending. He keeps complaining he “inherited a $1.2 trillion dollar deficit” which he has now added, in less that a year mind you, an additional $2 trillion. This $2 trillion does not even take into consideration what the Federal Reserve has spend bailing out banks etc–no one know how many trillions they have spent. All he knows how to do is spend other peoples money and apologize to the world about how wrong the US is about everything. The man obviously despises the country and wants to transform it into his socialist eden.

A Web site, Amendforarnold.com, promotes the effort with photos of the Austrian-born Schwarzenegger and a mention of the Canadian-born Granholm — “Amend for Arnold and Jen,” it proclaims. The same people who are sponsoring the Web site have bought ads on California television, hoping to create a groundswell of support.

Several measures have been introduced in Congress, including a joint resolution by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., and Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, which proposes a constitutional amendment that would extend eligibility for the presidency to immigrants who have held U.S. citizenship for at least 20 years.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139952,00.html

I would just point out that Orly is NOT passing this off as anything. Her post clearly states she is seeking authentication of it.

I am all for proofs, but what would make you believe? If I produced a piece paper, you would say I forged it, and that all levels of the government are in for the cover-up. Think about it. What would make you stop asking for proof? How would you arrange millions of people from looking at the certificate or using it for evil puposes?

Thanks for the humor! I need it after reading all of this crazy right wing nonsense. God knows there are better, more productive uses for these people’s time than on such a ridiculous and hate driven effort.

Only if it was a forgery…

Numnut, every economist has said we need to spend to get out of this recession the repubs created the last 8 years. HE HAS TO SPEND. Get it through your thick head. Doing nothing will cause even more unemployment and a slower recovery. Perhaps you should take an Econ 101 course before posting your pathetic rants, efftard.

Are you people STUPID or what? Bush has killed how many thousands? Trashed our economy. Attacked and destroyed a country that has NOT warrented such an attack (Iraq). Rode his bike with Lance while we died and idiots are debating where O was born What a joke you GOP people are. At least he was elected, too bad your guy wasn't.

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.

Thanks, Mike, I made the same observation in another post a little later before noticing your reply.

Not to discredit your statement on Australian ISP's, but the ISP used by bomford.net actually does not appear be Australian, at least the IP address (207.250.49.161) for the domain seems to be registered to a company in Germantown, Wisconsin and is a North American IP address.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

This explains it all, and has the scan of the birth certificate. The problem isn’t with the explanation, dude — the problem is that people don’t want to listen to it and prattle on about “long form” versus “short form” without understanding what they’re talking about. When I requested a copy of my birth certificate for a job that required it a couple years ago, I got a “short form,” because that’s what you get from most states these days. That’s ALL you get. Instead of “long form” and “short form” we should be talking about “old form” and “new form.” Bureaucracies change forms over the years. It’s still a legal document. It’s accepted as a birth certificate by everyone except, apparently, Lou Dobbs and Orly Taitz… and other people who are, bluntly, looking for a reason to keep this dispute alive.

This is an absolutely crazy conspiracy theory. We HAVE the document. We’ve verified the publication of birth announcements from two papers in Hawaii in 1961! Are people making the case that somebody has forged freakin’ microfilm archives in the Honolulu Advertiser? Really? This doesn’t seem just a little farfetched?

The Naturalization Act of 1790 has been overridden and has nothing to do with immigration law in August 1961. Natural born means that under the law at the time when the person was born, no request for naturalization needed to be made to make him a citizen.

If Obama was born in Hawaii, he would be natural born. I don't believe the birther nonsense, but their point is that there were at least three illegal methods of obtaining a legal birth certificate in Hawaii that would just rely on one adult telling a lie. And that the original birth certificate would show the type of documentation used to generate the original birth certificate as well as when the original birth certificate was issued that would clear up the issue.

Even many birthers probably don't believe that he was born overseas, But they do believe there may be embarrasing information on the original form as the reason he will not release the orginal.

McCain went through a similar indignity, and the federal courts held that the law at the time when he was born said that his birth in a US Territory to US citizens in the year he was born made him a natural born citizen.

Why does the media and others try so hard to discredit our President of the United States, Since when is the media trying to discredit Obama…they walk in front of him throwing down rose petals…

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As Ms Palin said in her final speech, “Stop making things up!” … and, if that's not good enough for you then, as a member of the party that calls itself “the Christian right,” remember “Thou shall not bear false witness.”

Why won’t you admit that he has released his birth certificate? What on earth is the difference between a certified copy released by the state verifying the information on the original and the original itself? This is not about Obama, it is about you.

way2confused:

Two points; one, the strongest criticism of Obama has been that he hasn't urged Congress to spend ENOUGH to stimulate the economy. Of course, that criticism is led by Paul Krugman, last year's winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics, but what does HE know? I mean, that Nobel thing is just a popularity contest.

Secondly, Obama can't spend ANYBODY'S money. All appropriations emanate from the House. He can only recommend.

Oh, BTW, would you conservatives quit beating that drum about Obama apologizing to the world? You sound like a bunch of whiny little tittie babies. We have completely effed up the Middle East. I think a little apologizing is in order. Don't you ever apologize to your friends and family, or are you perfect?

way2confused:

Two points; one, the strongest criticism of Obama has been that he hasn't urged Congress to spend ENOUGH to stimulate the economy. Of course, that criticism is led by Paul Krugman, last year's winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics, but what does HE know? I mean, that Nobel thing is just a popularity contest.

Secondly, Obama can't spend ANYBODY'S money. All appropriations emanate from the House. He can only recommend.

Oh, BTW, would you conservatives quit beating that drum about Obama apologizing to the world? You sound like a bunch of whiny little tittie babies. We have completely effed up the Middle East. I think a little apologizing is in order. Don't you ever apologize to your friends and family, or are you perfect?

I see BDS (Bush derangement Syndrome) is still alive and well.
Now that Obama has spent your grandkids retirement to combat the myth of global warming, he is well on his way to spend their grandkids retirement to fix a health care system that is only broken by the fact that we are giving free health care to illigal immigrants. The tru number or people w/o insurance is not 42 million that you hear over and over again it is actually closer to 10 million. I am the first to agree that even that number is to high but to spend 2 trillion dollars to give free health care to that group is insane.
STOP the bankrupting of America.

I see BDS (Bush derangement Syndrome) is still alive and well.
Now that Obama has spent your grandkids retirement to combat the myth of global warming, he is well on his way to spend their grandkids retirement to fix a health care system that is only broken by the fact that we are giving free health care to illigal immigrants. The tru number or people w/o insurance is not 42 million that you hear over and over again it is actually closer to 10 million. I am the first to agree that even that number is to high but to spend 2 trillion dollars to give free health care to that group is insane.
STOP the bankrupting of America.

and yet you had such a firm and unwaivering opinion without fact?

amazing the difference between opined emotion and fact isn’t it

under the law, yes, both McCain’s parents are American citizens. under the law so is Obama’s mother and in tern him.

the gray area is what the definition of “Natural Born Citizen” is vesus simply a “Statutory Citizen” which is a person who is a US Citizen by right (as opposed to by naturalization) but not necessarily Natural Born.

See, the constitution says No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office
of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not
have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a
Resident within the United States.

but, it never lays out a strict definition of “natural born” If you look at the 14th amendment and Title 8 of the US Code (both nicely included by will9 – thank you) you will see no mention of Natural Born in the definition.

If you look further at case law on the Federal level there is little to no attempt to define it there either.

Some states have basic statutes attempting to define it but there are conflicting viewpoints from state to state in how or what defines Natural Born.

Therefor, the specific use of Natural Born as a way to pre-empt a US Citizen (which Obama clearly is by the existing legal definition) is greatly dependent on the the reader’s definition. You choose to read it as meaning one thing but the only real meaning can be one that is defined legally. And, since none-such element exists the next best option is to use the tools priorly granted defining Statutory citizenship as noted above and go with those, which is what the US has been doing as a general rule of thumb since their adoption in clearing potential canidates for any office. When those come into question (such as Gov. Schwarzenegger in CA) different governmental entities have handled them in different ways.
As a matter of fact, just for the record on Mr. McCain actually, he was not born in the Canal Zone, he was born at Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama, which lies outside of the US territorial holdings and recognized as Panama proper. In April 2008 the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain’s status as a natural born citizen, so he basically got a government waiver to define his ambiguous status based on his unique case.

You're a fucking moron

You're a fucking moron

You sir are an idiot. Perfect example of the demcrapic party.

You sir are an idiot. Perfect example of the demcrapic party.

This is what the repubs have been reduced to……crazy whack-job conspiracy theorists with no concept of logic, reason or rationality. How sad.

Hmm, why didn't they ask for Bush's birth certificate….or even a basic sanity test? Maybe it could have saved us a war, hundreds of thousands dead, and a recession. But this is the party of Palin………

All the repub clowns do these days is blabber on about socialism and other BS. It's like they can't stand the idea of a “colored” guy in power. I would wager that these people could not even define socialism if asked. Oh no, the guy wants to tax rich people more – well who else should pay for the mess created by the rich & their puppet Bush? The rich are paying hisorically low levels of tax – it was much higher under IKE (now where is the talk of him being a socialist?)

The pathetic knuckle-draggers really should get an education. But when you listen to folks like Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity (not one college degree between the three of them), then no wonder you end up with tea-baggers, birthers, and creationists all over the place.

Abortion kills more people in one year than the whole Iraqi war did in Bush's 8 yrs total…and you post that crap….

1) True. But if the document were being used as a template, with some modications, one would take out the blank sections, particularly if they were blank, and unenumerated. Given the fact that many Kenyan births would be outside of hospitals one might expect that this section or something analogous, “should” be on a Kenyan document. The Taitz one doesn't. Maybe whoever created it wanted it to fit on a 8.5x 11 form? Why would someone INCLUDE a section in a fake that doesn't exist in the original, and leave it blank? More reasonable the other way 'round.

2) I doubt that David Jeffrey Bomford was only the second child born in Australia that year either. In fact I doubt that the Australians would be out counting who was the 234th Australian born in 1959 and providing these numbers in real time to put on Birth Certificates. Thus the number is either a “local” number (dealing with births in that District) or perhaps the number of the District of Hintmarsh. Or maybe DJ Bomford was #2 listing on pp.5733?

2) I doubt that David Jeffrey Bomford was only the second child born in Australia that year either. In fact I doubt that the Australians would be out counting who was the 234th Australian born in 1959 and providing these numbers in real time to put on Birth Certificates. Thus the number is either a “local” number (dealing with births in that District) or perhaps the number of the District of Hintmarsh

3) So. If you look carefully you'll see that the letters do line up precisely with the ones above. Misalignments like this are common when the writer is simply aligning the left margin visually. If there are several “empty rows” the visual cue is absent and it's hard to line up the margin precisely. In fact, that's precisely what might happen with the gap produced by the situation you noted in (2). Thats actually good evidence it was done on an older model typewriter, one with perhaps the margin tab disfunctional, rather than a word processor.

lso note, though perhaps it's my imagination, that there is an erased “dot” in the blank section above, that might have been an effort to place a margin cue in that section. But it also looks mis-aligned.

I'm not doubting your word, Bruce, but when did “Federal Courts” adjudicate McCain's eligibility? I've done extensive research, and I've never heard of any court deciding the issue. Can you cite?

I do remember the US Senate passing a Resolution (non-binding, unfortunately) clarifying the issue. It was introduced by Dems McCaskill & Leahy and Republican Coburn. It passed unanimously, with every single Democrat voting for it. Shows a lot more class than Republican Congressmen introducing legislation to require BC's of all “future” candidates and muttering mealy-mouthed platitudes when asked if they believe Obama is eligible to be president.

what people, zygotes? you a religious nutjob who voted to put a know-nothing bimbo one hearbeat away from the presidency. You are an effing joke.

oh, yeah, be real proud of the bush years – the worst in history. good one, numnut.

National debt is now 11 trillion. 8 trillion of that accumumlated under Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2. Five trillion accumulated under Bush 2 all by himself, mostly to fund wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that serve no purpose at all. In reality, illegal immigrants contribute more in withholding taxes than they ever receive in free health care or any other program. They will never be able to access all the Social Security and Medicare taxes paid in. The actual uninsured/underinsured is 45-50 million people, all citizens. We are not bankrupted by “tax and spend” liberals, but by “BORROW and spend” Republi-nazis.

By the way tool, was abortion stopped under the bush administration????? Your logic is as flawed as your pathetic party. Stupid eff-tard.

The question I have is why won’t he relase his SAT scores, transcripts, Thesis, etc. Could it be that he is not that bright. I mean even the idiot Bush had to release his grades etc but Wonder Dog does not have to.

John McCain wasnt born in the US, how come they dont over scrutinize his birth certificate???

Barack Obama, could be born anywhere on the planet, point being his MOMMA was a Us Citizen, there he'd come out the womb as one. End of story.

“Generally, if you are born in the United States or born to U.S. citizens, you are born a U.S. citizen, unless you are born to a foreign diplomat.”

http://www.american-citizenship.org/

and what hole is your head buried in? this man is a huge danger to american freedom.he is rapidly grabining control,and changing freedom as we know it.when a person wans to make it so that the government takes over major corperations such as banks,auto indust,housinging,and medical,this is a total step to control you,your choices,your life style.obama has put his self in front of the public on a consistant basis. with his speechs of what wonderful care and plans he will give the american people.this is how castro,stalin,idi amien,hitler,the list of dictators goes on. but all sweet talked the people of a wonderous improvment with change,read your history.humanity was lead like lambs to the slaughter,till it was to late.the iron gate of socialisam and commie control slamed shut.this so called president is the catilist of americas fall from freedom.listen to his empty speechs,his words are full of me's an i's.when he gets finished….we will have know country the free USA standing to put back on it's feet.

I really am sad to see this 'birther movement' gain traction, instead of puttering out like I thought this would it seems to have hooked its tentacles into every main stream and some independent news medias as well. I understand that we have to debunk this theory but it seems that quite the opposite is happening. Lou Dobbs is a jerk in a major way, but he took his ummm.. jerkiness to a much higher level ( jerkiness is a word but birther is not ). I think its just away for racist to spin there hate without being called to mat and being made to look like KKK members. This is 2009 why such hate, I had hoped the next generation would kill this nonsense, but unfortunately people like these 'birthers' will cling to anything that will keep there ‘America’ like they remembered it 60 years ago, segregated.

Wow, you are pretty gullible…and dumb.

I hate splitting hairs, but to be honest that’s not a fair comparison. Bush’s honor and Obama meeting the requirements to be Presidet? Come on, that’s not even an intelligent comparison. The difference between Repubs and Libs is what we choose to bitch about, either Bush’s war record and Palins clothing or the Presidents birth record. It becomes clear in comparison. Listen to Fortunate Son and maybe you’ll understand why his war records might be missing. Right, no but not the same as Obama’s BC by a LONG shot. (And wasn’t there a Lib who was caught lying about his war record?) Food for thought.

You’re Strange. He had seen his grandmother regularly. Michelle, the girls, would vacation there during Christmas time. Fact: Obama has a white grand uncle who is still alive, and Obama spoke of him numerous times during his campaign as helping to free Jewish concentration camps in Europe. This same uncle attended his inaugration. So, you see, there is another “living” person around. Check your facts.

I’m sure he was vetted by everyone and everybody and if they could have found him NOT to be a citizen he would have NEVER, I repeat NEVER, obtained the Office of President.

It took Bush 2, 8 years to accumulate his debt, the Obamessiah in a mere 6 MONTHS already passed the Bush half point! Learn some basic 'rithmetic before u open your moth and show everybody what is missing between your 2 ears.

LOL! tea-baggers! Do they even know what that means? I have a sneaking suspicion they do!

It is because they have NOTHING else. The Right is done. The intelligent people of this country stopped listening to Bill O and Rush and started using their heads for more than holding their hats up. Unfortunately, there are some Small Brains still out there who, with nothing better to do, get onto the internet and look for trouble to start. These are the wasted few who are lost to reality. Toe suckers. The Great Unwashed.

We don't call ourselves the christian right – you do
You are the party of taking categorizing and labeling people.

Oh, and they are unable to spell correctly because they huffed too much paint while in their teens, and their brains don't work well anymore.

Even by your own math, Obama surpassed the Bush 2's half way point (and that took 8 years to accumulate!) in a mere MONTHS! Quick, learn some basic 'rithmethic before you open your mouth.

It’s people such as yourself who probably don’t know who their “real” father is, try to project this onto someone else. He knows his heritage, too bad you don’t.

Actually, they did: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar… , but I suppose its only ok to question the Republican candidate, BO deserves affirmative action on natural born citizen, after all, he is our affirmative action president.

The Australian BC is a fake. Put it in Photoshop and you will see. Also, notice the number 1's in his date of birth are completely different. MR. Bomford is a FAKE!!!

Shrub 2 inherited a surplus, which he turned into a deficit then into the next Great Depression. Worst president we ever had. Just like after Ray-gun/Shrub 1, the Democrats are left the pay off the deficit.

Shrub 2 inherited a surplus, which he turned into a deficit then into the next Great Depression. Worst president we ever had. Just like after Ray-gun/Shrub 1, the Democrats are left the pay off the deficit.

Quick, learn some basic economics before you open yours.

Show me a real birth certificate for Obama. People can make up all kinds of fake ones until then. The next one could be from planet Krypton (LOL).

Mcain is not the president, if he was, there would be a raft of Moveon.org nut birthers out there for him. The difference is that he would actually have a birth certificate.

I do not care where he was born if he loves America. Something that I doubt.

Can't win, so you bring up racism as usual. Is Alan Keyes a racist for questioning Obama's birthplace?

Can't win, so you bring up racism as usual. Is Alan Keyes a racist for questioning Obama's birthplace?

Can't win, so you bring up racism as usual. Is Alan Keyes a racist for questioning Obama's birthplace?

Can't win, so you bring up racism as usual. Is Alan Keyes a racist for questioning Obama's birthplace?

Your anger knows no bounds and is kind of fun to read.

Your anger knows no bounds and is kind of fun to read.

Your anger knows no bounds and is kind of fun to read.

Your anger knows no bounds and is kind of fun to read.

Your anger knows no bounds and is kind of fun to read.

its amazing to me that all this wasnt looked into and discovered long before this man was allowed to even run for president.Now that he is in office and ruining america as we know it and allowing his family to roam the world on american taxpayers money,its to late.
America is being destroyed by this so called Barrack Obama.I hope all you that voted for him have visas to africa because thats what america is being turned into and thats who Barrack Obama is selling our country to.

its amazing to me that all this wasnt looked into and discovered long before this man was allowed to even run for president.Now that he is in office and ruining america as we know it and allowing his family to roam the world on american taxpayers money,its to late.
America is being destroyed by this so called Barrack Obama.I hope all you that voted for him have visas to africa because thats what america is being turned into and thats who Barrack Obama is selling our country to.

Many constitutional scholars look to acts of Congress from the time period in which the Constitution was ratified as evidence of the framers' intent, since many of the framers were voting members of Congress as well. So, the point is a valid one.

The war in Iraq wasn’t WON. Obama decided he would honor his campaign promise and ‘pull out of Iraq.’ He cleaned that one up for Bush and now he has to work on Afgahnistan — the 2 wars Bush initiated.

Oh, haven’t you heard? The economy is on the upswing, housing is rebounding, and banks are repaying that loan. All of this in just 6 months as opposed to Bush’s 96 months in office.

Planning on collecting your social security when you’re retired? Freakin’ liberal SOCIALIST.

Give me a break with your idiotic socialism baiting. Perhaps you should look up some of the programs you and your loved ones take advantage of that, by definition are socialism.
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Do you even read the paper? Who created the mess we are in now, no one had anything to say about Retarded and Chief Bush nose-diving our economy into the ground his last few weeks in office? Do you think the cash for clunkers was Obama’s idea? I don’t think so, I think Senator Chuck Schumer came up with that brilliant idea and the fools in Congress passed it. Even if the number is only 10 million without health insurance ( and I highly doubt that) why should the child down the street not have access? That is heartless, yes I have said it. Who picks you fruits and vegetables, who fix's your streets, umm let me think oh yeah illegal immigrants. Hey I don’t like it either, especially because illegal’s from Haiti always end up back in Haiti, Mexicans stay, get caught then they let them out and make them promise to come back for a court date. Haitians’, if they even make it here without half the boat drowning, are arrested held in camps or facilities and then unceremoniously shipped off! Read a paper and learn something about the real immigration crises in this country. If we wanted Hispanics out we would put them out.

I didn’t see any indication of a Raised Seal. That’s the problem with computer copies – you can’t see the seal and without out that it’s not certified.

I really don’t care either way but “Scaredfor US” won the arguement hands down which is really funny because MANTIS was so offensive and now must be feeling a twit. Great blog and I learned a lot.

I learned that there are people out there that are not really stupid but very opinionmated such as Mantis but the really intelligent and educated people like “Scared…” make Mantis’s look stupid in a universally truthful kind of way.

How can anyone even consider anyone a racist when your hero obama has made it very clear he is in fact a racist and his friend henry gates is as well.And untill he discovered that other black scholars thought his statements were out of line did he decide to attempt to defuse the situation?All this racist crap is being kept alive by the black community because to admit racism is a dead horse,they would be admitting they are not a minority but an equal and heaven forbid they do that,the welfare would be cut off.Grow up,and get off your lazy ass like REAL Americans do

Wait. You are not winning. Stop projecting. The Birther movement has just shown itself to be in the same vain as alien autopsies and the Boogeyman…..And, after the signs I saw from various 'tea parties' around the country, yes, racism is a part of it for so many rightwingers.

That is not called for, I think your a moron for using language like that when someone doesnt agree with you. Very rude!

They are still trying to find out Obama's birth certificate.
Get over with it idiots.
His mother is a US citizen and he is an automatic US citizen regardless wher ever he is born.
He was born in Hawai,ok.
Is that enough for people who is bickering about Obama's citizenship.
Stop these nonsens,republican.
How many times this citienship issuue came along and it was buried.
STOP BICKERING NOW AND GET WITH THE PRESIDENT and work towards our national pride,ok

Really? Who is it that is always talking about the “Socialist, Marxist, Democrat” (as opposed to Democratic) party again? I love how the right tries to distract from it's own name calling by accusing the other side of precisely what it is guilty of.

I think it's great how the pressure is building and building and building.

As the “birther” movement grows and grows, the “anti-birthers” grow more and more hysterical as they're reduced to hurling insults and accusations of “racism” because they have absolutely nothing else to argue with.

Obama can defuse the whole thing with one 30 second phone call, but he doesn't.

Kinda makes you go “Hmmmmmmmm …” doesn't it?

Where's the Birth Certificate?

Because it's true, like many people have pointed out John McCain was NOT born in America but his citizenship is not called into question. Don’t be upset your a racist you should embrace your ineptitude to see the person and not the skin. Sorry for you.
And yes Alan Keyes is a racist for questioning Obama's birthplace.

I really don’t care either way but “Scaredfor US” won the arguement hands down which is really funny because MANTIS was so offensive and now must be feeling a twit. Great blog and I learned a lot.

Well there you go. Barack Obama must not be a citizen because I offended a birther. Good thinking.

Funny how white Republicans are so sensitive to “reverse racism”, but regular racism doesn't seem to exist in their world.

Something I almost hate, but not quite as it's more like an annoyance akin to a gnat buzzing around one's ears (or would it be eyes in this case? or both ears and eyes!), is the misuse of words, e.g. their, there, and they're, which I believe is all too common amongst posters on here and elsewhere. This is not meant to imply hating the posters nor finding them annoying.

No he can't. (Defuse the whole thing with a 30 second phone call).

He's already released the birth certificate.

ebonyangel/shedevil,you mam are the true racist.To blame the problems in america on bush it crazy,this crap started when the,Ididnt inhale,and I did not have sex with her came out of that lieing,adulterous clinton and has snowballed since.If you think for a minute that a 2yr senator is capable of running this country you are sadly mistaken and it is being proven by the around the world vacations the obama family has taken since being in office.Racism is your excuse for not being willing to take advantage of the opportunities the entire country has.It is alive only in those who claim its eyes.Racism died yrs ago the black activist just wont allow it to die,they themselves keep it alive and so do you ebony!

No, it doesn't. It makes us wonder about your sanity.

have you ever applied for gov. aid you need like 8 proofs of i.d. illigals dont get gov. help they cant even if they know it is available,they work for all there money and pay up front to go to the dr.Have you ever had to watch your family scrape out a life from nothing on a farm and still suffer from pverty and near starvation,your children,mother,wife?They do,all they want is a better life for thier family woludnt you?Using illigals as scape goats for our mistakes is becoming appalingly to commen as well as untrue,we(americans)get gov. help or go to the E.R. and dont pay,we live above our maens get in debt then want some one to blam look in the mirror,they dont get credit cards,or food stamps,or medicaid,they cant with out i.d. They live in run down houses work piece of crap low paying job and are put down or taken addvantage of by us and all the time are just grateful to have what little they have,no american would live like that we would get help from the gov.we need to remember what this country started as and is ment to stand for FREEDOM for all peopl,under god illigals are just peopl. who started with nothing and dont want their kids to grow up starving would you,how about you try understnding somthing before you critisize it,odds are your ancestors were immagrants to unless your an indian.

So, you're a “real American”? That is a shame, because you're sorely lacking in logical and reality.

Are we just counting American soldiers? I think if we counted EVERYONE killed like Iraqis and other nationalities than your figure may not be higher than the Iraqi war, plus abortion is between the woman who is having it and maybe her partner. Not you or anyone else. On the other hand, the war concerns us all.

[...] debunkers (there’s a job description) to trace the source document for the forgery (source: The Washington Independent). It’s a 1964 Australian birth certificate posted on a genealogy website and available to anyone [...]

Wanting clarity on our presidents citizenship qualifications is not racist. Most people who have this concern (the ones you smear as 'birthers', just like the protesters you smeared as 'tea baggers' -both very derogatory) immediately laughed at the forged document, knowing it would be used as a tool to 'prove' that all birth questions are stupid.
I will go as far to say that you ebony angel are being racist by pulling the Gates strategy to use race as a tool for your own benefit. Don't worry though, I am sure you will convince yourself differently and will still be able to sleep well tonight.

Wanting clarity on our presidents citizenship qualifications is not racist. Most people who have this concern (the ones you smear as 'birthers', just like the protesters you smeared as 'tea baggers' -both very derogatory) immediately laughed at the forged document, knowing it would be used as a tool to 'prove' that all birth questions are stupid.
I will go as far to say that you ebony angel are being racist by pulling the Gates strategy to use race as a tool for your own benefit. Don't worry though, I am sure you will convince yourself differently and will still be able to sleep well tonight.

Or maybe he just knows his only chance of getting anywhere in politics is by being one of the few minority members of the Republican party. As much as they say they are against it, they do seem to have their own “affrimative action” program going on. (See Michael Steele)

Well, duh! It WAS looked into before he was running for President. It was looked into when he entered the first grade. It was looked into when he got innoculations. It was looked into when he entered high school, applied for a passport, applied to college, applied to run for the Senate, etc. etc.

Dude learn how to spell or at the very least learn how to spell check. My mom would kick your…oh never mind. You arent worth it. And you just proved my point, racist!

Makes sense to me that a guy who's lived his whole life in ustralia and posted his BC on the web in 2006…long before the Russian nutjob began her anti-Obama campaign…he's the one with the fake BC…not someone who photoshopped it and used it (outstandingly ineptly, I might add) s a template to pull of this fake.

I guess they were too lazy to try and obtain a real Kenyan BC from which to photoshop? One that wasn't on the web.

My gawd…their best defense for fraud is that their forgery was so shabby “we didn't think anyone would believe it.” But I wonder if auctioning this thing off on EBay constitutes interstate wire fraud? Orly Taitz it's said, paid $l000 for this…jeesh, if it were authentic don'tch think it would have gotten millions? But only Taitz was dumb enough to buy it.

In Hawaii, why dont you take a vacation and go see it.

I think that these debate about Obama's birth cert is very sickening; it potrays americans as speulators and rumour peddlers. It is just stupid. I think that the brains behind this devilish misinformation missed the train back in Denver.
They are in cahoots with author Corsi and lot other swift-boaters. They should have played this card may be even earlier, say during the Democratic nomination debates so that Clinton, Richardson, Biden, and other Americans, would have had the opportunity to make a timely investigation about the Obama-is-not-an-American saga.
What I think: t is too late for Americans to do anything about the Barak Obama presidency. The “nigger” WILL rule them and he will be a brilliant CEO, certainly better than the dullard called Bush. This is not something Americans, especially the bad losers, can help.

And still an asshole after all those years

You just made a very racist comment in your post, Grow up and act like REAL Americans do. What is a real American, what makes you a real American?

Ah, I see that the morons on the political right are still sucking their thumbs after McCain and Palin went down in flames. Here's the thing – does anyone with half a brain (had to say that so that the conservatives wouldn't feel left out) really believe that either major party would ever allow an illegal resident to run for president? Please…..this is so stupid that it defies imagination. If this is the best you can come up with, then it's really better for the country that conservatives remain in the political minority. But after the recently-completed eight year fraternity party that was hosted by King George the Dimwitted, no one should be surprised at the intellectual dross that passes for conservative commentary these days.

For all of you moron Republicans (I know, redundant) who can't seem to read either the record or the Constitution, here's how it is: The Constitution doesn't allow for naturalized citizens to run for the presidency. That's why the conservative, spastic steroid user who was elected to the governorship in California will never be allowed to run. What the Constitution DOES require is that at least one parent be an American citizen. The country of birth is neither a qualifying nor disqualifying factor and is never mentioned in the Constitution. Citizenship is based solely on your parentage, NOT your place of birth. Obama's mother is American. Game over. If, as the birthers claim, your place of birth determined your eligibility, then McCain would have never been allowed to run, seeing as how he was born in…..oh yeah…..the Panama Canal (when his father was stationed there as a naval officer).

I never made up birthers, or tea baggers. I think tea baggers was created by the tea bagging movement. LOL

1+1+1 equals what? You can't answer that one I bet. Bush came into a pile of cash Clinton left him. Clinton paid off Bush's Daddy and Ronnie's debt. NOW LET ME THINK wasn't Ronnie the balance the budget Prez? I am sick and tired of the GOP running its stupid mouth about us tax and spent Dems. ONLY A FOOL CUTS INCOME AND RAISES SPENDING LIKE YOUR BOY “W” he cut taxes saying it would raise everything while to only thing raised was unemployment. He weakened the dollar ON PURPOSE. You boys need to hide under a rock as the GOP and Rush need to be on Perkadan because of all the pain and suffering at their feet. The sad part is you idiots still vote for a FAILED party

Ed,

Please enlighten us with your obviously superior knowledge. I can't wait to learn from you!

As Bill Maher said the other day…..Hey birthers! I'll show you Obama's birth certificate when you show me Sarah Palin's high school diploma!

As Bill Maher said the other day…..Hey birthers! I'll show you Obama's birth certificate when you show me Sarah Palin's high school diploma!

Sorry if this has been mentioned already…but wouldn't the similarity in document form (not contents) be explained simply by the influence of British bureaucracy on both nations?

ice

Or you let this joke of a conspiracy run it’s course and muddy the message from Conservatives (GOPer’s). There is zero credibility of the crazed “birthers” but for some odd reason, people believe them.

No, he has NOT released the original long-form birth certificate. All he has released is a certification that the original exists.

Where is the original and why hasn't he released it?

… and notice how I'm called crazy just for asking a simple question?

What's it like to be True Believers who take on faith alone what Obama refuses to prove?

Is Obama like you new god or something?

Where's the complete, originial, Hawaiian birth certificate? That document would end a lot of questions … but both sides have to play a game, claiming moral superiority, while there is hanging over the President a simple question: Where was he born? In one of his books, he claims to have been born in Kenya.

Produce the original, and the problem is solved.

Where's the complete, originial, Hawaiian birth certificate? That document would end a lot of questions … but both sides have to play a game, claiming moral superiority, while there is hanging over the President a simple question: Where was he born? In one of his books, he claims to have been born in Kenya.

Produce the original, and the problem is solved.

Where's the complete, originial, Hawaiian birth certificate? That document would end a lot of questions … but both sides have to play a game, claiming moral superiority, while there is hanging over the President a simple question: Where was he born? In one of his books, he claims to have been born in Kenya.

Produce the original, and the problem is solved.

Your racist remark is disgusting. True “birthers” don't base their case on the obviously photoshopped Kenyan BC or the Australian fake that is probably the second in the series of “Obama Birth Certificates of the World” series that you can order for $19.95, proving he was born in each of the nations in the UN.

As you can see from this thread, there would have been Democratic birthers if McCain had won, just as there were birthers for a dozen or so other candidates for the US presidency in the past (all of the other candidates who had their citizenship questioned were white)

If it is ever found out that our currently legitimately elected president was not in fact eligible when elected, we will have one heck of a mess on our hands, but til they prove something, just let them run their mouths.

Your racist remark is disgusting. True “birthers” don't base their case on the obviously photoshopped Kenyan BC or the Australian fake that is probably the second in the series of “Obama Birth Certificates of the World” series that you can order for $19.95, proving he was born in each of the nations in the UN.

As you can see from this thread, there would have been Democratic birthers if McCain had won, just as there were birthers for a dozen or so other candidates for the US presidency in the past (all of the other candidates who had their citizenship questioned were white)

If it is ever found out that our currently legitimately elected president was not in fact eligible when elected, we will have one heck of a mess on our hands, but til they prove something, just let them run their mouths.

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.

You never saw any signs at the tea parties that were racist. You simply WANT to say that to bolster your argument. Were you at a tea party? The tea parties were not just a bunch of 'rightwingers' either. They were Americans of all parties and races who exercised their right to protest. It appears your goal is to call us names and show us as less than equal to your superior intellect.THAT IS RACIST Because the left has debunked a document – most likely created by the left – this does not erase all other doubt about the eligibility of Mr. Obama.

Freedom,

Grow up, learn to think, stop listening to Rush. He is getting rich off you nuts. Go back to school get an education that is the first rule. After that you might see the folly of your thinking pattern.

Freedom,

Grow up, learn to think, stop listening to Rush. He is getting rich off you nuts. Go back to school get an education that is the first rule. After that you might see the folly of your thinking pattern.

Obama's birth cetificate has been shown several times online by the state of Hawaii and the WH.
Look for it!

The age of the citizen parent is the main factor. But, the Paternal Father was a citizen of Kenya. The Mother was not old enough to pass on Citizenship to B.H.O. alias Barry Soetorro. Call me stupid? That might be so, although it would be for you to prove… I correctly call you ignorant. The proof has been documented with your comments.

As mentioned in the Snopes article, the seal is on the back side of
the document; if you look at it you can see markings from that, but
you’re right in that it’s not really “proof” of anything. A scan of
the back of the document wouldn’t “prove” anything, either — it
could, after all, be a scan of a different document. So the testimony
of those who’ve actually handled it is arguably better than offering
another JPEG, right? And reporters have indeed handled it and verified
that the mark is indeed there:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Now, of course, those reporters could be lying. But I guess my bottom
line here is that at some point you have to stop and ask yourself how
far one needs to go to validate this: we have photographic evidence,
eyewitness testimony, newspaper records (which nobody seems to have
challenged the validity of), and of course the circumstantial evidence
that Obama has other documents — a driver’s license, a passport —
which normally require a certified birth certificate to obtain.

I think a lot of us just love conspiracy theories that suggest The
Other Side isn’t just proposing and enacting policies we don’t agree
with, but is somehow actively evil. So Bush is involved with the 9/11
attacks, or Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster killed. And I have little
doubt that had McCain won, there would be some core of people trying
to prove his birth circumstances disqualified him from being
president, too. But I think we love them because they provide
distractions from the disquieting truth that The Other Side is not
acting out of Illuminati-supported malice, but instead doing what they
think is the best for the country — and that an awful lot of our
fellow countrymen agree with them. That was true of Bush, and Clinton,
and Reagan. And it’s also true of Obama.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

If this is not true, I wonder why Obama doesn't settle the matter by producing his original birth certificate. I have a copy of mine, which you need to get any type of license, so I'm sure he has a copy of his.
BJ

Dear recross1960. I'm assuming that's the year of your birth, so you can't claim youth as a defense against either ignorance or illiteracy.

My history books reveal that our 15th President, perhaps our greatest President ever, served as a two-year senator and then had the wisdom and strength to lead our nation through it's darkest moments.

Racism is an institutional fact that was shaped by 400 years of slavery. We are not quite a post-racial society, but we're close. It seems to me that the ones benefiting from the “race card” these days is the right, who have re-adopted the sick strategy of calling minorities “racists” when they do things like get nominated for the Supreme Court, win the Presidency, or get arrested in their own home.

I think our President is a great example of taking the opportunities that our country has to offer. From modest means, he is a self-made millionaire and has every potential to be remembered along with the pinnacle of the American Presidents – Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy – as one of the greatest ever.

Mr. Recross1960, you need to heed the words of our leader and add a two-year degree to your own resume. Or, at least hit the spell check function on whatever electronic gizmo you're using to rant here.

I doubt you need the original to get a license. What you need is simply an “Authentication of Live Birth”…not the full, original certificate.

Well yose. Look again at that constitution your trying so diligently to spout quotes from. As a matter of fact, Obama's mother was one year shy of being considered eligible to pass on citizenship to her son. So yes I do think that a major party would allow such bullsh@t to transpire. They probably realized it to late and are trying to look less like a bunch of dumb@$$es than they already do. So shut up and let him prove it.

Well yose. Look again at that constitution your trying so diligently to spout quotes from. As a matter of fact, Obama's mother was one year shy of being considered eligible to pass on citizenship to her son. So yes I do think that a major party would allow such bullsh@t to transpire. They probably realized it to late and are trying to look less like a bunch of dumb@$$es than they already do. So shut up and let him prove it.

It was looked into. He passed with flying colors. He's a natural born citizen. Get over it!

In which of his books does Obama say he was born in Kenya? Title and page number please.

BIRTHERS…….IDIOTS

sorry to say but true

BIRTHERS…….IDIOTS

sorry to say but true

BIRTHERS…….IDIOTS

sorry to say but true

BIRTHERS…….IDIOTS

sorry to say but true

BIRTHERS…….IDIOTS

sorry to say but true

He doesn't have to show you anything. He has satisfied the FBI and the Secret Service.

I would love to see the citation from “one of his books” where he claims to have been born in Kenya. If you can find that and post it, I'll personally send you a thousand dollars.

Your whackadoodlery is astounding Atlas. You outright reject any hard evidence that disproves your whacked out assertions and continue to assert falsehoods as though they were truths. And, for the record, comments that you are touched in the head aren’t ad hominem attacks. Your statements are proof that something ain’t quite right with you. Now, if someone were to say “You have sex with horses; therefore, your arguments concerning President Obama’s already proven US citizenship are invalid,” THAT would be an ad hominem attack.

Yosemitesam,
Does not sound like you are a very bright person at all. The problem with people like you is that you know you can not accomplish anything on your own so you are plenty happy to have a democrat lead congress to give you as much as they can so you can sit home on your computer that more then likely your mom or dad bought for you or maybe the goverment already bought it for you. You will never have your own business or contribute to society but you will spend your entire life whinning that the “rich” don't give you enough or the goverment should help you more. Why not get up each day and try working – several years from now you may actually feel good about yourself stop whinning and become something. Yosemtesam we can not take care of you every day of your life. Just because it looks like Obama lied at some point in his life with some type of misrepresentation of his birth cert –more then likely so he could get into an international school for free– doesn't mean that he can not be questioned about it. You and alot of lower intelligent people more then likely wiht out a job may think obama is your saviour but many of the rest of us who actually have jobs, businesses, and contribute to the world do not need a saviour. We have done it a different way then you are used too –it is called work!!!! Try it your life may change.

Listen. The State of Hawaii and its Republican governor have certified that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate shows. This has been done twice already.

Listen. The State of Hawaii and its Republican governor have certified that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate shows. This has been done twice already.

“In one of his books, he claims to have been born in Kenya” Which book was that? Because I have read them and he says he was born in Hawaii. This all boils down to desperate, old, poorly educated, right wing white people who can think of nothing to do but make up crap, fling it as fast as they can, and hope some of it sticks. Your ideology has been proven to be bankrupt and you can't stand the thought of a black man getting credit for repairing the damage it has caused to our country. Get over it.

Don’t call me out without knowing anything about me, I have to say Mike you sound like someone who has absolutely NO black friends, and if you don’t cool. But I am not a racist, and I don’t like playing the race card. I think it undermines me and my achievements and the hard work of individuals before me. Its okay to disagree but when you have no basis for the disagreement people start looking for reasons. Please tell me why after six months in office, two years of running for president this crazy idea that Obama is not a citizen has taken such a hold of many people in America, why after all this time? Logical people have concluded it is because of the his race/skin color what ever you may call it. Now I did not come up with this theory on my own, plenty of people have come to the same conclusions. Can they all be wrong, well maybe they can but until I hear something a little more logical than “his dad wasn’t a citizen” then I will still believe that it is racism.

Don’t call me out without knowing anything about me, I have to say Mike you sound like someone who has absolutely NO black friends, and if you don’t cool. But I am not a racist, and I don’t like playing the race card. I think it undermines me and my achievements and the hard work of individuals before me. Its okay to disagree but when you have no basis for the disagreement people start looking for reasons. Please tell me why after six months in office, two years of running for president this crazy idea that Obama is not a citizen has taken such a hold of many people in America, why after all this time? Logical people have concluded it is because of the his race/skin color what ever you may call it. Now I did not come up with this theory on my own, plenty of people have come to the same conclusions. Can they all be wrong, well maybe they can but until I hear something a little more logical than “his dad wasn’t a citizen” then I will still believe that it is racism.

Don’t call me out without knowing anything about me, I have to say Mike you sound like someone who has absolutely NO black friends, and if you don’t cool. But I am not a racist, and I don’t like playing the race card. I think it undermines me and my achievements and the hard work of individuals before me. Its okay to disagree but when you have no basis for the disagreement people start looking for reasons. Please tell me why after six months in office, two years of running for president this crazy idea that Obama is not a citizen has taken such a hold of many people in America, why after all this time? Logical people have concluded it is because of the his race/skin color what ever you may call it. Now I did not come up with this theory on my own, plenty of people have come to the same conclusions. Can they all be wrong, well maybe they can but until I hear something a little more logical than “his dad wasn’t a citizen” then I will still believe that it is racism.

That's a good one too. Who told you that, Mr. Constitution Expert? Where does it say what age a mother (or child) has to reach before being eligible to pass citizenship on to her son? Citation, please.

That's a good one too. Who told you that, Mr. Constitution Expert? Where does it say what age a mother (or child) has to reach before being eligible to pass citizenship on to her son? Citation, please.

He doesn't have the “original long-form birth certificate”. It's not in his possession. Every single birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii is a “certification that the original exists.” The state, and no state in the union, refuses to release its original documents to any person. Think about it long and hard and you might be able to come up with a reason why that is.

He doesn't have the “original long-form birth certificate”. It's not in his possession. Every single birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii is a “certification that the original exists.” The state, and no state in the union, refuses to release its original documents to any person. Think about it long and hard and you might be able to come up with a reason why that is.

WRONG!

His daddy was a Kenyan citizen and was never an American citizen.

Read the Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5: he must be a Natural Born Citizen to hold the office of POTUS.
Natural Born Citizen = TWO citizen parents and born on American soil.

He's a fraud and a usurper. He cannot be impeached because he's not a legal U.S. POTUS; he can, however, be arrested and thrown in jail along with the rest of his thugs.

Only a matter of time

There is no such thing as “being eligible to pass on citizenship to her son.” This is just a bunch of made up bull. If she has a baby, he's a citizen. Period. And don't you think the FBI and Secret Service would have discovered any irregularities in his past? So, it's time for you to shut up. He doesn't have to prove anything to you.

King of Spades, man – King of Spades
And the Joker is an Albino.
All this broohaha keeps alot of people busy about nothing. Like a grand scale diversion that is harmless and takes up alot time and energy from alot of people who need to be kept busy and out of Big Brother’s hair.
Obama does lean too far to the left for me. But as long as he appears to make the effort to stay in the middle, I don’t really give a flying fern about the little bit of socialistic leanings.
Beware of conspiracies and rumors of conspiracies.

Perfect reply! I am so sad to hear someone born in the 60's is still clinging to that type of thinking when it comes to race relations.

Our Fifteenth President (James Buchanan) was a 40 year politician with 2 years in the senate and 10 years in the House of Representatives, along with being secretary of state.

Presumably you are speaking of our Sixteenth president, Abraham Lincoln. Please check your own facts before you rant about others.

I assume you are in agreement that the Kenyan birth certificate is fake then, since even it says that Obama's mother wast 18.

Stop for a moment and ask yourself if the FBI and Secret Service would have approved of Barack Obama's fitness to run for president if there was anything odd about his past. And, yes, you are “called crazy just for asking a simple question.” It shows you haven't looked in to the matter but have simply parroted the birthers' complaints.

The State of Hawaii has the original. Barack Obama cannot release it. He doesn't have it. Obama doesn't have to prove anything to you. He has been vetted by the FBI and Secret Service.

I don't think “birthers” are necessarily racists. I do think they are the dumbest people on earth. I sometimes think whether they are in fact aliens from another planet.

The Republican governor of Hawaii has stated very forcefully that he has seen the original birth certificate and so has the other other Hawaiian officials. It's there and it's real. From what I understand it's against state to make the original document of ANY citizen public. But, they have published the pictures of it online. If Republican “birthers” don't believe the Republican governor of Hawaii, then they really need to move to Finland or Iceland where they don't have to worry about a person of color winning an election. Those countries may still be a bit too socialist for them. So they're still out of luck. Maybe they can all board rocket ships and start a colony on the moon. I'll help pay for their one way tickets!!!

Jersey Ted

Ah, how reasonable you seem, and how unreasonable everyone else appears for failing to satisfy your unsatisfiable desire for further proof of what is proven. The responsibility for backing up your absurd claims that Obama's presidency is the product of a 48 year conspiracy fall on you, not on the president. If the birther movement had real evidence, they would produce it, wouldn't they? In the meantime, I'd prefer for the president to work on fixing the problems that exist in real life.

All you have is a document created by the state in which you were born that certifies your birth. That's the exact same thing Obama has. He's released it to the media.

Since Yosemitesam used correct spelling and punctuation (something you lacked), I wouldn't think you would want to call him not a very bright person. And your argument about him not working is based on what? Insulting someone else by setting up a straw man is not a very good argument for your point of view.

Then-candidate Obama did release a certified copy of his Certification of Live Birth, in June 2008.

The Hawai'i Department of Health has officially acknowledged that they have his original Certification of Live Birth, and that it confirms his birth took place in Hawai'i, on August 4, 1961.

The highly-irrational Birthers, led by disbarred-lawyer/Dentist/Realtor Orly Taitz, claim that a Certification of Live Birth is not a 'Birth Certificate,' though that this the form of birth documentation that the state of Hawai'i confers and they claim that because Barack Obama, Sr. was not a U.S. citizen, that his son isn't either, despite the fact that Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother was a natural-born U.S. citizen.

I have read, on more than one occasion, that not only did the State of Hawaii issue a birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama, the two major Honolulu newspapers carried announcements of his birth (just as I am sure the “Meridian Star” in Meridian, Miss. carried an announcement of my birth on November 4, 1963. Or Nov. 5, considering that I was born at 5:30 PM.)

Ah, if that was what “natural born citizen” meant, you'd really be on to something there. But wait: Thomas Jefferson's mother was born in London. That would make him a usurper too! Zomg!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Randolph_Jeff…

Q. When is a race card not a race card?
A. When race is the only relevant fact.

“Let’s face it: Presiden’t Obama’s black.” ~ Rush Limbaugh

The birthers and their cheerleaders are providing a textbook example of racial profiling.

Except that would not explain the identity of names of the officials, nor the fact that the record books have the same numbers typed in. To say that those were coincidences strains credulity. The fact that it has the same form as the one thats posted on the web several years ago WITH those numbers and names strongly implies that this document was the template.

Whoever did this was so stupid that the retyped the same names and registration book numbers in (although they did use the 43O47 “inside joke” which isn't on the BOMFORD BC).

also Kenya went to a decimal currency system in the l920's…yet the BC still uses pence.

Interesting that WDN hasn't produced it's copies of the “comparison BC's from Kenya” it claims to have checked. Odd that large numbers of Kenyans born in the '60's are claiming, and showing,BC's that look very different in style. I'm wondering if the WDN got their BC's from the same source as the “Obama” BC and didn't think…these might be phony as Brittney Spear's tata's, too.

When you ask the state of Hawaii to give you a “complete, original birth certificate,” they give you exactly the same thing that Obama got and has since released to the public. Do you know what the word “certificate” means? It's a “certification” by the state that it has checked its original records and verified a person's birth details. That's what Obama requested in 2007. If you're not willing to trust the state of Hawaii when it says it has certified his birth details, why are you bothering the rest of us with demands from the state of Hawaii at all?

Most Americans do not have the “original” birth certificate. They are kept in state files. My parents never had my original certificate. Mine is a certificate of birth registration stating the original is on file. Just like Obamas. The loonies who can not think for themselves will belive anything fox news, Rush or that idiot Lou Dobbs states.

Look at your own certificate. It is not the original. It is either a certiciate of live birth or a birth registration, not the actual certificate.

“you do know that the definition of “natural born” is not codified anywhere including in the constitution” Maybe you should try to know what your talking about first…

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

What's odd though is that NO hospital in Hawaii has any record of Obama's mother ever having been a patient there. Yet some claim he was born there and got dual-citizenship before going to Indonesia & becoming an Indonesian.

Wow. This website, and this topic, is a strong argument for increasing funding for education ten-fold. I know, you birthers and conservatives are thinking “yeah, those libs don't know how to think for themselves!” but really? You (90% of you, at least) are being had. All this jumping up and down about taxes? Do you all *really* make over $250k/year?? Really? Without being able to spell of complete a coherent thought? Huh. Interesting.

You're being convinced to rail against your won self-interests.

And this says nothing of this whole birther kerfufle. Seriously? Have you guys READ your own arguments? Have you WATCHED your de facto leader Orly Taitz? REALLY? THAT's what you're getting behind in all this?

Umm … ok. Good luck with that. If that's seriously going to be your play here, then my hat's off to you. Insanity like that can't be faked.

First, the fact that a birth certificate exists, in Hawaii, does NOT prove that Obama was born in Hawaii. Most states WILL issue a certificate, of some type, to someone not born in that State. Next, the governor of Hawaii is Female, not male. Next, SHE said she had the original, she never VERIFIED anything from that document. Next, many of the Obama supporters have claimed that the original has been destroyed, obvious contradiction there, huh? Next, which hospital was Obama born in? Official statements, from Obama's own supporters, list two DIFFERENT hospitals.
Me? I I think Obama's father was Communist Frank Marshal Davis, and that is why Obama has spent $800,000 to HIDE HIS PAST from the American people!

“What’s it like to be “True Believers” who take on faith alone what has not been proven?”

A) It has been proven, to any one who will rationally examine the facts.
2) None of the “birthers” believe in God then, right? Or live in glass houses!

I cn haz gud grammers, ok, lolol…..Anywho, actually, no. If his mother was a U.S. citizen, his father was not, regardless of where he was born, then he is born with dual citizenship. People born with dual citizenship can claim to be a citizen of either country until the date of their 18th birthday. This is the case for those claiming dual American citizenship, anyway, not sure if it's the exact same everywhere. Anyway, at that time, they must decide in which country they would like to be a citizen, and of course, there is paperwork. If the decision is not made, and/or forms not filed, then citizenship reverts to the country of birth. This was high school gov't class folks, of course the rampant need for a spellchecker (Hawaii is spelled with two i's, cupcake) on this site is cause for speculation that some of us didn't make it to senior year. o.O

Obama can settle the whole issue once and for all…just release the vaulted copy,college records, etc. Let the truth speak for itself…then everyone can move on. Let transparancy shine.

What folly. If President Obama (Mr. Transparency) wanted to put an end to the qualifications controversy he could do so by releasing all of the records that have been kept secret better than CIA secrets. He surely knows what they say so he should know that the release cannot harm him. In general, if a policy does no harm to anyone and benefits some it is good policy. His policy of hiding his past does cause some people, maybe wishful thinkers that he can be removed from office, consternation. The policy of secrecy can't be better policy than releasing the records. I'd like to see an end to this loony business and President Obama can easily do that.

Of all the info that I have learned about this issue, I have never heard Rush or Fox news mention this issue (though I could have easily missed it). All has come from mainstream media or blogs (very different in content, accuracy and specificity), and a tiny bit of research. Lou Dobbs doesn't believe the birther nonsense either. But there are birthers out there who have legitimate points that haven't been addressed. All Dobbs did was allowed them a venue to speak, which reduces the conspiracy theories about not allowing this info to get out.

Obama is probably right in ignoring them, because once he answers their current questions they will undoubtedly come up with more, but it is ridiculous to call this racist.

Of all the info that I have learned about this issue, I have never heard Rush or Fox news mention this issue (though I could have easily missed it). All has come from mainstream media or blogs (very different in content, accuracy and specificity), and a tiny bit of research. Lou Dobbs doesn't believe the birther nonsense either. But there are birthers out there who have legitimate points that haven't been addressed. All Dobbs did was allowed them a venue to speak, which reduces the conspiracy theories about not allowing this info to get out.

Obama is probably right in ignoring them, because once he answers their current questions they will undoubtedly come up with more, but it is ridiculous to call this racist.

How convenient to make him responsible for your paranoia.

If you don't know how to spell, you are a racist? I really wonder why I am reading this nonsense from both sides. Wow, what a waste of time. Goodbye

I was born in the same hospital as Obama, almost exactly 10 years later. My dad was military. I don't have the original birth certificate–no one has their original birth certificate. I have a copy of my birth certificate, issued by the state of Hawaii in 1987. It looks the exact same as Obama's. It is a short-form(?) “Certificate of Live Birth.” I have used it to get 2 passports and several driver's licenses. Are you saying that I am not a natural-born US citizen? That my parents did not have me in Hawaii at hospital? They also had birth announcements published in the Honolulu papers…this is so ridiculous!
p.s.–in what book did Obama claim to be born in Kenya? I would like the full citation (title, publisher, date of pub, page number). I think you are content to make stuff up

I am a registered Republican, voted dutifully for McCain, and would greatly welcome a competent and viable Republican candidate in 2012. I was upset when Obama won, but after he took the oath of office, he became my President. Do I like his politics… no. Do I like him as an individual… I have to say, yes. He seems to embody many of the qualities we like to see in our leaders. I would prefer to see a stronger system of checks and balances in this critical time (I don't like to see a super majority of either party, it's just not good for the people). But… he is my President. Forgive the male sports analogy, but I liken it to being a diehard football fan for your favorite team… and you find out that the star quarterback holds values opposite to yours. A true fan is not going to take that into consideration… a true fan is going to hope that the star quarterback performs as well as possible, so that the team does as well as possible. I will work to see that good decent Republican candidates win elections in 2010, but Barack Obama is my President until 2012 and while I will disagree with him at times, I will support him.

I am a registered Republican, voted dutifully for McCain, and would greatly welcome a competent and viable Republican candidate in 2012. I was upset when Obama won, but after he took the oath of office, he became my President. Do I like his politics… no. Do I like him as an individual… I have to say, yes. He seems to embody many of the qualities we like to see in our leaders. I would prefer to see a stronger system of checks and balances in this critical time (I don't like to see a super majority of either party, it's just not good for the people). But… he is my President. Forgive the male sports analogy, but I liken it to being a diehard football fan for your favorite team… and you find out that the star quarterback holds values opposite to yours. A true fan is not going to take that into consideration… a true fan is going to hope that the star quarterback performs as well as possible, so that the team does as well as possible. I will work to see that good decent Republican candidates win elections in 2010, but Barack Obama is my President until 2012 and while I will disagree with him at times, I will support him.

What a damning story that would be, were it in any way true. In real life, wild accusations such as your are generally required to be backed up by some type of evidence.

What a damning story that would be, were it in any way true. In real life, wild accusations such as your are generally required to be backed up by some type of evidence.

Mine is not! I was born in NY and they do not give the original certificate. perhaps each state handles this differently. I do wonder why the Republican Goverernor of Hawaii would lie?

Florida, Indiana and New Jersey all require a CERTIFIED copy of the birth certificate to obtain a drivers license. That copy can only be obtained from the county of your birth. I have 5 extra copies because I had to have a copy for the Military when I joined back in 62, for a Police Dept when I went to the Police Training Academy in 70 and even when I applied for Social Security. SO, I'm quite sure that if someone is running for a public office, there has to have been a background check at some point. More so the higher the office and part of that background check includes the party running for that office providing a CERTIFIED copy of their birth certificate.

Omg! A reasonable person on the internet!

How convenient to make him responsible for your thought process.

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Current law extends this to children born of two American citizens overseas, with at least one of the two parents having lived inside the USA. So McCain's a natural born citizen. So is the president, since he has valid proof of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii. My god, have you guys never heard of google? Or Wikipedia?

As to the birther nonsense. A certified copy of the president's birth certificate has been provided to the press and is available for viewing on the internet . . . . and there are several mentions of the president's birth in Hawaiian newspapers at the time. Go to factcheck.org and view it all if you want.

Ask yourself this, if the president weren't black, if he were, say, the son of an Irish immigrant and an American mother, if his name was Barry O'Bama, would we be having this conversation?

Welcome to the desert of the real.

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Current law extends this to children born of two American citizens overseas, with at least one of the two parents having lived inside the USA. So McCain's a natural born citizen. So is the president, since he has valid proof of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii. My god, have you guys never heard of google? Or Wikipedia?

As to the birther nonsense. A certified copy of the president's birth certificate has been provided to the press and is available for viewing on the internet . . . . and there are several mentions of the president's birth in Hawaiian newspapers at the time. Go to factcheck.org and view it all if you want.

Ask yourself this, if the president weren't black, if he were, say, the son of an Irish immigrant and an American mother, if his name was Barry O'Bama, would we be having this conversation?

Welcome to the desert of the real.

I'm one of those bleeding heart liberals that gets sick reading your GARBAGE. You folks live in a fantasy world. I don't know why we waste our time on people like you. You people are SOOOO sad.

You are so full of it, you Obot liar.

How convenient to make him responsible for your thought process.

These two documents of Obama's place of birth maybe fraudulent, as I feel certain that they are but that still does not dismiss the fact that he needs to poster his real authentic birth certificate. That very limited informed birth certificate that they keep showing of his possible birth in Hawaii is not convincing enough to prove that he was born there. I am a 58 year old sixth generation Texan/African-American, who can trace my African ancestral lineage back to Jamestown Island, Virginia and among The Seminole Indian Tribe, down in Florida. I (my Mother) have the original copy of my lengthy authentic birth certificate and several copies of that in my personal possession; and I did not seek The Office of The President of The United States of America. All, that Obama have to do is bring forth a copy of his original birth certificate (the long authentic form). I was a thirty year Democrat, but after the fiasco that took place during the Democratic Primary, I left the association of myself with the Democrats. I am now proudly to say that I am proudly an Independent Voter because both of these defined parties are parties of whoremongering. I'm looking for the day, if it will ever come, that we can get back to a real Sovereign Nation that will be sustained by our Sovereign Laws. Votes did not put Obama in The White House, but Six Hundred and Sixty Eight Million Dollars ($668,000,000.00). I saw Congressman Lewis of Georgia, one day endorse Hillary Clinton, then suddenly the very next day after with Obama, he endorsed Obama. Only, 20% of the Black Voters voted for Obama, yet his camp greatly used The Race Card during his running. He is a bought piece, that is why The Law was not applied in the Gates/Crowley episode, but an embarrassing sit down over mugs of beer at The House of The People of The United States of America. Because of the tint of Obama's skin, he have as so many other Blacks brought a taint upon our credibility. We are such kiss-butts, in stead of standing up on the principle of Truth… Reverend Ira L. Lewis 2009B Conestoga Trail Austin, TX 78744-3568 5124431079 iradject@yahoo.com… I am a Licensed/Ordained Baptist Gospel (Jesus Christ) Minister a twice Honorably Discharged Disabled Navy Veteran a dba Business Owner, who is in my right mind by the Grace of GOD through His Son/Word (Jesus Christ).

You forgot to explain how Obama went back in time to have his birth announcements planted in two Hawaiian newspapers.

What a liar. No one in their right mind that has any centrist or right values can stomach Oba-mao.

Nice try, Obot.

Carl4432,

Instead of empty words quote me some facts!!! I am challenging your superior intellect, show us that you are capable of actual thought rather than merely regurgitating empty, meaningless, statements every liberal talk show host (and yes I listen to them and not to Rush or Sean) has repated ad nauseum. Give me facts, son, not your nonsense, By the way before you make a bigger fool of yourself read some up on some economics, read up on some some recent history about how enlightened Europe is sloowly moving away from the Socialist model, read up how communism failed. Oh, before I forget… the GAO (know who they are, kid?!?) also thinks Obama's Theory of Economics is disastrous. Look it up and then I want to see you show off your brilliance. Oh, and please stop foaming at the mouth… it's bad for your heart, kid.

Of course, I'm not holding the most powerful office in the nation, either.

Of course, I'm not holding the most powerful office in the nation, either.

A red herring … yeah, that’s the ticket.

Supply a high-profile birther with an obviously fake birth certificate so when it’s revealed as obviously fake all the birthers hide their faces in shame and Obama is free to pursue his nefarious plans to destroy the USA.

Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

“Scared” outdid you by facts, logic and powerful prose. You ended up only with attitude as your defense after he destroyed all your points.

Its no big deal, he made you look silly.

As for Obama, who really cares? If he does the country in, good p[eople will vote him out and reverse his idiocy. If he is as good as Dems say he is – and comes up good on economy netc – I’m all for it. Still think he is suspect for not releasing his documents.

Have you ever took a mental health test?

What year is it? What day is It?

Where are you right now?

Who is the President?

NOW GET OVER IT

I am not the one who isn't thinking this through. The evidence that has been released should offer sufficient proof to anyone who is the least bit objective. Neither Obama nor anyone else has the slightest duty to cater to the paranoid ramblings of people who are desperate to overturn the previous election under any flimsy pretext.

Another point: Kenya and Australia BOTH were former British colonies. It is not at all surprising that documents, from both, from this time period, would look nearly identical. It is also not at all surprising that the same name would be appear, as a son or other relative could EASILY have followed in the footsteps of another family member, and entered “foreign service”.
The “anti-birthers” do not have their facts straight.
Many of us “birthers” simply want to know the truth. I admit I do not know the truth, but I know pure BS when I hear it, and most of the BS, on this issue, comes from Obama supporters.
This BC thing is part of a bigger story: What if?: Obama LIED in his own books, about Obama's past. Obama LIED in his college entrance paperwork. Obama LIED in his college financial aid requests. Obama's parenced RENOUNCED any US Citizenship, as part of the Indonesian adoption.
Face it, you do not know the facts, and you do not WANT to know the facts!

DID YOU HERE ABOUT THE …. WORLD TRADE CENTER ?????

IT WAS ISRAELI’s THAT BROUGHT THE BUILDINGS DOWN IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!

SO THE US WOULD GO AFTER THE MUSLIMS….

Monitor, Can you proof to me that your birth certificate says “Birth Certificate” and not any other phrase?

Not all of us are political reactionaries, you know, and we don't all see things from your point of view. Supporting your president whether or not you fully agree with him was considered a virtue under the last administration.

If you really think it's loony, why do you keep questioning?

As a lifelong Democrat, I have to say that Obama is worse than Bush by a country mile and that Hanover Rocky is nuts.

[...] The Washington Independent » Is This the Source of the Forged … [...]

You first!

Let’s see, two years ago unemployment was lower than it is now because unemployment is a lagging indicator, companies lay people off AFTER the economy starts getting bad – so you have no point there.

8 years ago I felt safe from terrorists and then we were attacked on 9/11. The fact that the united states was not hit again by a major terrorist attack means nothing because 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch — he was not able to keep us safe. Stop with you’re scaremongering and contribute something real to the conversation.

Amen Jeff … hit the nail on the head.

Hillary’s the mother of “Birthers” – August 23, 2008 A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit–just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver–for the health of the Democratic Party.

The birthers are not “idiots,” they are just going through a bit of therapy.

Look: their entire world-view has been demonstrated wrong by 8 years of Republican mismanagement. That's a real strain on the noggin! There is bound to be a lot of irrational paranoia until this cognitive dissonance sorts itself out.

The teabaggers are no different. Every single one of the things they complain about is indeed a bad thing — unfair taxes, government intrusion, etc. — but their brains are literally blind to this stuff happening when Republicans are in charge. That's just the nature of the partisan brain. Now that Democrats are running things, their brains recognize that the policies of the last 6 years were REALLY stupid, but the only way they can deal with reality sucking is by blaming the Democrats. Ask them for a specific policy they hate, and doubtless it was initiated and/or supported by Republicans.

Until they are done ranting, venting, and acting like emotional little girls, they will be immune to logic. So stop trying.

My advice? Let them rant. They'll feel a lot better, and then we can all move on.

Evidently you are the one intellectually challenged. I can get a certificate of live birth from Hawai'i and I live in Texas. It really is that easy. A few dollars and a witness statement is all that is needed. A birth certificate requires much more scrutiny and is why it is required for a passport. It is also why I want the President to follow the same rules as I have to follow. When applying for a job, show legal (birth certificate) qualifications to work in the U.S. and face termination if such documents presented are found to be a forgery. Produce the original certificate and get this matter behind us. Easy. Even Barack should be able to accomplish that between his taxpayer funded vacations around the globe.
Also, no new taxes or tax hikes on those making less than $250K? Get real! His administration just sent the Treasury Secretary out on TV Sunday telling us all the middle class was going to have to pay more taxes to get the deficitg down.

David, you seem like a common guy, a decent citizen. Do not let partisan hatred blind you to the obvious fact we have an incompetent person in the White House. He has committed every citizen in this country to more debt than his 43 predecessors combined. And he has growing unemployment, nobody buying Treasury notes, declining consumer confidence, and less respect around the world daily. Add to this a weakening of our defense forces and inserting himself into a misdemeanor police case (the Gates arrest) and you have to wonder how much damage this President can really accomplish.

Surely Hillary Clinton isn't responsible for every one of her supporters. Berg is a nut, no matter where his political preferences lie.

If you're really a minister why do you keep lying? He's shown his genuine certified BC, confirmed (repeatedly) by the Hi. DOH. It's the only kind of certified BC Hi. gives out. 36 other states also either give short forms by preference, or, like Hi., ONLY give short forms. It legally proves he was born in Honolulu Hi. He's already proven his citizenship far beyond what any prior President has even been asked to do, so do you wonder why people think some's unwillingness to accept his eligibility, in spite of overwhelming evidence, might have something to do with racism?

And only 20% of black voters voted for him? What planet are you from?

Well said, David.

Just as my father had his death notice placed in papers in Indiana, Texas, California, and New York. Family often places obituaries and birth notices in papers other than where the event happened. Do you have a copy of the birth notice – and did it say he where he was born? That would be more proof than most birthers have seen and would satisfy many of them.

Like Al Gore did?

Yes, because it's a good idea for the President of the United States to capitulate to this kind of terrorism-by-tantrum. Wonderful idea.

It's politics as a team sport, I think. You love that quarterback until he starts to play for the rival team and then suddenly he's your very worst enemy. For what I hope is a noisy minority on both sides of the aisle, politics isn't really about ideas — it's about having your side on top and blinding yourself to what happens after that.

Sir, I say this sincerely: seek professional help. Your delusions may make you a danger to yourself and others.

Sir, I say this sincerely: seek professional help. Your delusions may make you a danger to yourself and others.

State your source, please, for the news that NO hospital in Hawaii has any record.

State your source, please, for the news that NO hospital in Hawaii has any record.

Do the birth announcements in the Honolulu papers say “where” he was born? Does it name the hospital? Or just the parents address? If it just announces his birth, playing Devil's Advocate here, even if he was born in Kenya, it would have been on a short visit to that country, with his parents still maintaining an apartment in Honolulu. Why wouldn't they have, or the grandparents have announced the birth regardless of place in the hometown newspaper? They lived there.

Wow. Lighten up! The man is just expressing his opinion. That's the freedom of speech
that you right wing wackos are always whining about.

Wow. Lighten up! The man is just expressing his opinion. That's the freedom of speech
that you right wing wackos are always whining about.

Kinda like how my birth announcement was in paper in Indiana, Kentucky, North and South Carolina and Arizona? It's called proud parents, cupcake. Proud parents (or grandparents, whatever) extending their joy to friends and family as far as they can reach.

Al Gore catered to people desperate to overturn the election? How, by bowing out of the race gracefully after the Supreme Court decision?

The forger had to obtain a suitable facsimile of an aged birth certificate. This looks like it.

I know a forger who makes 100k per year. He says obtaining the actual paper is where you have to start, but it's a lot easier to modify a digital image. The second trick is to change a single letter in someone's name so it it is harder to trace the source.

I've see the digital image, but has anyone examined Orly's actual document?

Wow. Lighten up. They are just expressing their opinion. That's the freedom of speech
that you righties are always whining about.

“For the believer no proof is necessary, for the non-believer no proof is possible.” Stewart Chase 1929
I doubt this will end before 2016 … might even continue on after … sort of like the investigation into whether bush/cheney broke any laws during their reign of lies and terror.

Love how birthers keep coming up with these dollar figures on how much he's supposedly spent defending frivolous law suits that have all been immediately dismissed by the courts.

Yes, well, if only. Leaving these people to work out their therapy is to simply give a green light to their rantings. They take silence as encouragement. The best way to deal with whatever flat earth BS the right wing spews is to come down on it like a ton of bricks ASAP. The mistake Democrats, Liberals and Progressives have made since the Reagan era is to “take the high ground” and hope lies and nonsense will evaporate on their own. Instead, in the absence of challenge, they've grown into mythology. It's a waste of time and tactics to think you're going to change these people's world view. That goes without saying. What you can do is keep knocking the legs out from under their lies.

I don't normally describe birthers this way, but this comment is absolutely precious. The exact same form shows up with the same page number, same book number, same registrar names, etc., and FactsObama is whimpering to himself in the corner about how it must be real, just must. Someone needs a hug. Don't worry, buddy, someone will come up with a new forgery in a little while and you can get excited about that one!

His mother was a U.S. Citizen, his father Kenyan, he had dual citizenship the second he took his first breath, regardless of where that was.

Paco, remember that I said I do not like his politics, and that I will work to see that viable Republicans win their elections next year. Will you do the same? I challenge and encourage you to to apply your passion in that direction. To apply any effort or energy toward any other aspect of the office and the man is a waste of time, and quite frankly, it is what tarnishes those who try to merely outshout the opposition. My advice to all those who are pursuing or can't let go of these side issues… try and step back from the trees and grasp the sheer scope of the forest. Change, real change begins when we can see the big picture and can work… together… to make a difference. While many “good” people demand answers regarding birth certificates that will never be forthcoming… many good people are working quietly and tirelessly behind the scenes in preparation for the 2010 elections. Put away the rhetoric, and join us…

good lord…some of the comments here are hysterical. wake me in a year.

You think a pregnant woman living in Hawaii would take a “short visit” to Kenya?

Have you been pregnant?

Most women not named Sarah Palin don't go jetting around the world when their baby is due.

“Scared” outdid you by facts, logic and powerful prose.

All without facts or logic. Quite impressive!

You ended up only with attitude as your defense after he destroyed all your points.

Except he didn’t. Oops.

Still think he is suspect for not releasing his documents.

I think you’re suspect. Release your documents!!!!!11!!

I just wish O.B. would put this all too rest and stop spending millions to keep his records sealed. If he has nothing to hide then please show it and be done with it!

Then do it and show everyone. Spend a “few dollars” and get a witness to claim you were born in Hi. and see how that works out for you.

He's shown his BC. It's the only kind they issue in Hi. He HAS a passport which he got with a certificate just like that one. He has a drivers license too. Guess what he used to get THAT?

Wow. You’re crazy. I don’t really comment here (just browse the comments for fun), but wow. 20% of black voters voted for Obama….uh…wow. “Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama and constituted 13 percent of the electorate” ..http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15297.html

Votes did not put Obama in the White house? Now I admit the money bought the votes (like every election)…but uh…yeah the votes did put him in the white house

“That very limited informed birth certificate that they keep showing of his possible birth in Hawaii is not convincing enough to prove that he was born there”….that is an official state document, backed up by an official statement.

I know you did not bring this up, but I googled Hawaii birth certificate. The long version everyone talks about is also called “Certificate of Live Birth”. Same thing….less info. But the short form does list City/Town, Island and County of Birth, which debunks all the ..”could have been born elsewhere” craziness.

But I guess if you believe there is an invisible man is the sky watching everything you do, then I guess you’ll believe anything.

“Many of us “birthers” simply want to know the truth.”

That's just a bold-faced lie. You've been told the truth time and time again but simply refuse to accept it!

It must be hard to accept that a black man is the President of the USA, right?

I could produce a 'birth certificate' that says he was born in Paris, with a little help from my friend Photoshop. Why is that more believable than the word of the Hawaiian government and the hospital, saying he was born there and his birth certificate is entirely proper and valid?

The idea that every pundit and doubter has to hold 'the original' in their own hands is absurd — I can't get the original of my own certificate let alone someone else's. Everything is on microfiche or computer now, and even if you look up the original record in storage, you aren't allowed to take it anywhere.

If you'd like to substantiate your claims about his parents renouncing citizenship (what exactly is the process for that) please link to a verifyable source. You know, that I can hold in my hands and check for photoshopping.

I could produce a 'birth certificate' that says he was born in Paris, with a little help from my friend Photoshop. Why is that more believable than the word of the Hawaiian government and the hospital, saying he was born there and his birth certificate is entirely proper and valid?

The idea that every pundit and doubter has to hold 'the original' in their own hands is absurd — I can't get the original of my own certificate let alone someone else's. Everything is on microfiche or computer now, and even if you look up the original record in storage, you aren't allowed to take it anywhere.

If you'd like to substantiate your claims about his parents renouncing citizenship (what exactly is the process for that) please link to a verifyable source. You know, that I can hold in my hands and check for photoshopping.

I could produce a 'birth certificate' that says he was born in Paris, with a little help from my friend Photoshop. Why is that more believable than the word of the Hawaiian government and the hospital, saying he was born there and his birth certificate is entirely proper and valid?

The idea that every pundit and doubter has to hold 'the original' in their own hands is absurd — I can't get the original of my own certificate let alone someone else's. Everything is on microfiche or computer now, and even if you look up the original record in storage, you aren't allowed to take it anywhere.

If you'd like to substantiate your claims about his parents renouncing citizenship (what exactly is the process for that) please link to a verifyable source. You know, that I can hold in my hands and check for photoshopping.

For the umpteenth time – like most places, official birth announcements are run in Hawaii based on reports from the Department of Vital Records, who in turn get their information from the local hospitals. Has been that way pretty much forever. So its not an announcement of every birth everywhere, but births in Hawaii.

The only answer to get around this Orly & co. have is to slander Obama's dead relatives by saying someone lied and filled out a declaration of birth with the Hawaiian state authorities to evade immigration costs. After all, you make the moonbat decision to travel to Africa 9 months pregnant, have the money for a “brief” transcontinental trip, have your baby in Zanzibar of all places, but don't want to deal with immigration hassles so you lie about the place of birth. And apparently smuggle the newborn through customs in both Zanzibar and the US (with multiple stopovers, mind you) with no one being aware of the baby's presence or questioning the child's status. Never mind that there's nothing but Taitz' less than credible word for the ability to even get such a form, the grand Dunham family birth conspiracy, etc. Because Occam's razor be damned if the evidence doesn't fit your preconceived prejudicial ideas – it must be a conspiracy, darn it.

Can you prove that, marshmallow? And I need to see originals, not copies, of those birth announcements. Please forward them to my dentist, I mean realtor, I mean lawyer, Orally Teetz.

You wouldn't know a fact if it planted its boot in your butt. All the evidence in the world has been piled in front of you and you people won't accept it. And you are living proof that the right wing lives and works and in Crazy Town. Here's a fact for you: the black guy won the election. Get over it. You're not going to turn it over. Ain't gonna happen. Your desperate little white man's paranoid fantasy is based on lies and easily disproved facts. When people persist in believing things in the absence of proof, or despite having been disproved, that's called…insanity.

The Question is “Why aren't we seeing the long birth certificate that must exist if this guy really was born where he claims”?

What is Mr. Transparency afraid of?

Here's what I'm afraid of: This guy was backed by big Islamic money, much of it 'funnelled' through the honorable rev. wright's church of hate and he is bankrupting us, eroding our national defenses and undeniable out to take away our freedoms including the freedom to express our opinions. Sotomayor? If you can't see that this is a racist fascist – then you're one of them.

The Question is “Why aren't we seeing the long birth certificate that must exist if this guy really was born where he claims”?

What is Mr. Transparency afraid of?

Here's what I'm afraid of: This guy was backed by big Islamic money, much of it 'funnelled' through the honorable rev. wright's church of hate and he is bankrupting us, eroding our national defenses and undeniable out to take away our freedoms including the freedom to express our opinions. Sotomayor? If you can't see that this is a racist fascist – then you're one of them.

Send in the clowns. Send in the clowns. Don't bother their here!

Send in the clowns. Send in the clowns. Don't bother their here!

You wouldn't know a fact if it planted its boot in your butt. All the evidence in the world has been piled in front of you and you people won't accept it. And you are living proof that the right wing lives and works and in Crazy Town. Here's a fact for you: the black guy won the election. Get over it. You're not going to turn it over. Ain't gonna happen. Your desperate little white man's paranoid fantasy is based on lies and easily disproved facts. When people persist in believing things in the absence of proof, or despite having been disproved, that's called…insanity.

You wouldn't know a fact if it planted its boot in your butt. All the evidence in the world has been piled in front of you and you people won't accept it. And you are living proof that the right wing lives and works and in Crazy Town. Here's a fact for you: the black guy won the election. Get over it. You're not going to turn it over. Ain't gonna happen. Your desperate little white man's paranoid fantasy is based on lies and easily disproved facts. When people persist in believing things in the absence of proof, or despite having been disproved, that's called…insanity.

You wouldn't know a fact if it planted its boot in your butt. All the evidence in the world has been piled in front of you and you people won't accept it. And you are living proof that the right wing lives and works and in Crazy Town. Here's a fact for you: the black guy won the election. Get over it. You're not going to turn it over. Ain't gonna happen. Your desperate little white man's paranoid fantasy is based on lies and easily disproved facts. When people persist in believing things in the absence of proof, or despite having been disproved, that's called…insanity.

There are many effective treatments for schizophrenia today – talk to your psychiatrist.

Sorry. You can only blame one-third of that disaster on Obama (and maybe yourself, since everyone else’s is going up). You have to blame two-thirds of it on Bush.

All this talk about a birth certificate is funny. Obama deserves to be President since he planned his own lies before he was born. He was born in kenya and as a baby convinced everyone that he was born in HI. Just for that great effort to lie as a unborn baby makes him worthy of being President. Now doesn't this all make perfect sense. Give me a break people! Please complain about something relevent. The economy, world peace or something. A birth certificate lord have mercy.

All this talk about a birth certificate is funny. Obama deserves to be President since he planned his own lies before he was born. He was born in kenya and as a baby convinced everyone that he was born in HI. Just for that great effort to lie as a unborn baby makes him worthy of being President. Now doesn't this all make perfect sense. Give me a break people! Please complain about something relevent. The economy, world peace or something. A birth certificate lord have mercy.

All this talk about a birth certificate is funny. Obama deserves to be President since he planned his own lies before he was born. He was born in kenya and as a baby convinced everyone that he was born in HI. Just for that great effort to lie as a unborn baby makes him worthy of being President. Now doesn't this all make perfect sense. Give me a break people! Please complain about something relevent. The economy, world peace or something. A birth certificate lord have mercy.

I can't help but laugh at the losers and the dummies that are spending their time and money to prove Obama wasn't born in the US. Keep up the distractions. Obama and the Democratic congress will continue with their agenda. And in the end, Obama is still president and there is nothing you can do about it. lol

I can't help but laugh at the losers and the dummies that are spending their time and money to prove Obama wasn't born in the US. Keep up the distractions. Obama and the Democratic congress will continue with their agenda. And in the end, Obama is still president and there is nothing you can do about it. lol

I can't help but laugh at the losers and the dummies that are spending their time and money to prove Obama wasn't born in the US. Keep up the distractions. Obama and the Democratic congress will continue with their agenda. And in the end, Obama is still president and there is nothing you can do about it. lol

Sorry to repost:

QUESTION: “Can anybody answer why this guy refuses to produce the long birth certificate that would once and for all put this to rest?”

Sorry to repost:

QUESTION: “Can anybody answer why this guy refuses to produce the long birth certificate that would once and for all put this to rest?”

Sorry to repost:

QUESTION: “Can anybody answer why this guy refuses to produce the long birth certificate that would once and for all put this to rest?”

Who is O.B.?

Don't know what world you've been living in, but I got an Indiana Driver's License in 1998 with nothing but my California license and social security card. I haven't used a birth certificate for anything since I got my first passport in 1996 since passports stand alone, and a photo id and social security card is enough for just about anything (other than the few times you also need a utility bill).

A certified copy is what Obama posted, by the way. Some states used to issue both unofficial (no seal) and official (sealed) copies, charging you for the latter. Hawaii only has one form that it will issue – the short form.

Don't know what world you've been living in, but I got an Indiana Driver's License in 1998 with nothing but my California license and social security card. I haven't used a birth certificate for anything since I got my first passport in 1996 since passports stand alone, and a photo id and social security card is enough for just about anything (other than the few times you also need a utility bill).

A certified copy is what Obama posted, by the way. Some states used to issue both unofficial (no seal) and official (sealed) copies, charging you for the latter. Hawaii only has one form that it will issue – the short form.

Yeah, if your toddler throws a tantrum. Do you pay attention or ignore it.

I like how, when you guys get caught in your own BS, your eyes roll back in your heads and you start jabbering about Socialism. A little trouble staying on topic, Mr. Superior Intellect? Here's the deal. It's isn't up to Obama to disprove your crazy assertions. It's up to YOU to prove them. And so far, you brain damaged birthers haven't done anything except pound the table with your fists and insist that all the evidence isn't enough. Nothing will ever be enough for you clowns.

You would have lost your job and your portfolio had McCain won. You can thank your beloved George W and his base. The Have’s and Have-More’s. They made out with a trillion dollar tax give away during time of war, they drove our economy into the ground, and NOW you’re complaining? It’s called “chicken’s comin’ home to roost” Cass. You voted for them now you and the rest of us have to live with their lousy governance. Yeah, I guess helping people buy cars with better gas mileage and helping car dealerships is a waste. (what I find so ironic, is that the majority of car dealerships are owned by Republicans who donate big money to the GOP. Wonder how they feel about their corporate masters now) Of course in your universe, if it doesn’t benefit the wealthiest then it’s a “waste of taxpayers dollars”. Apparently you don’t mind the billions were spending in Iraq every month but then it benefits Bush’s buddies- Halliburton, KBR, Bechtal, Blackwater, and all the many thousands of war profiteers. I’m still wondering what happened to that nine million that went missing in Iraq about five years ago. Yet not one peep of complaint out of your trollish lips. Yeah, it’s a pity that the GOP can’t continue to turn our great nation into just another third world country through their shining incompetence. We won, now you can listen to the same BS I had to hear for eight years of Bush/Cheney…GET OVER IT!

What millions? Credible sources, please.

Oh wait, you can’t – because you’re a liar!

The more I read these kind of lies, the more I become a birther. I would have no problem with a black president. I also have no racial problems with our current president, who is half white, raised by whites and asians (his step-father), and who always attended elite private schools in Hawaii, Indonesia, California and Massachusetts. There are many black “birthers”, just as most whites are not birthers. Why is it that our President's defenders are the first to play the race card?

We have been told a whole bunch of facts – but not the facts that were asked for. Birthers cite a whole bunch of facts – and these fake Kenyan and Aussie birth certificates are hardly ever part of the discussion. Many states do show original documentation from the hospital or other application to register the birth to the public, though getting a “Certified Birth Certificate” is reserved for the parents and child. Just a few minutes of thought would tell you that a birth certificate is not irrefutable – there are forgeries and people who obtain theirs by lying to the state government. The likelihood is so small we usually don't consider the issue, but when stakes are high, a higher standard of proof is required.

Health Care Reform.

Do I get a prize?

If you think that would put an end to it then you haven't been paying attention. Can you think of any good reason why he should capitulate to nutballs who've already demonstrated they're unwilling to accept overwhelming evidence?

I usually point and laugh. It works. They get embarrassed and then they pout.

I usually point and laugh. It works. They get embarrassed and then they pout.

I like how, when you righties get caught in your own BS, your eyes roll back in your heads and you start jabbering about Socialism. A little trouble staying on topic, Mr. Superior Intellect? Here's the deal. It's isn't up to Obama to disprove your crazy assertions. It's up to YOU to prove them. And so far, you brain damaged birthers haven't done anything except pound the table with your fists and insist that all the evidence isn't enough. Nothing will ever be enough for you clowns.

hey liberal idiots:

His mother did not conceive of him becoming president. But she did want him to be a US citizen. It's a simple answer for simple minds.

The fact that you all present this idiotic logical line that since he ended up president that is why she connived her way into getting him falsely documented shows you can't think past the level of an idiot.

Which is why this country is in so much trouble. There's 10's of millions of idiots. Not to mention minority racists. And minority racists running the country who defend the racism.

I'm still waiting for an answer to the real question:
“Why not produce the long birth certificate that will end all of this?”

Let;s see, this time 2 years ago I was gainfully employed, living in a country where I felt safe from terrorist and I didn't worried about leaving my grandchildren in overwelming debt. Your right I guess it was that Saudi huge that help me realize how much better off we are now.

My comment about only 20% of the overall voting for Obama was from The Black Voters.   That is a documented fact that was presented just days after the November 2008 Election.  You should research you claim further and I am glad that you admitted that money bought him The White House, though you are not clearly admitting THAT.  GOD Bless You.  

Ira L. Lewis

No, politics is about one thing…getting re-elected.

“What can I do to make it so that I can keep using tax money to pay for my (gambling, pot, stripper, insert vice here) habit?”

I for one am voting against all incumbents, regardless of party affiliation, until we get some REAL fkn change. We need to remind them, that at least for the time being, this is still a government of, for and by the people.

The dems can never answer one fact:
Obama has not produced his birth certificate.

No, insantiy is repeating the same task over and over and over, and expecting a different outcome. What you describe is simply denial.

The point is Mccain showed his longform birth certificate whether you liked him or not he proved BEYOND A DOUBT that he was a NATURAL citizen ! when will Obama just produce the long form and shut everyone up? I mean seriously how long does it take to just post it and be done with it! Why even let this stuff drag on if there is no need ! I am not racist , I just want to know that he is really supposed to be there , then i will fully support him. Until then , I just cannot

There isn't overwhelming evidence. The overwhelming evidence of authenticity would be the long birth certificate. The fact that he hasn't produced it is the problem in and of itself. He is the president for crying out loud. I have mine in the safe and have no problem whatsoever with showing it. It raises the legitimate question :”Why won't the president produce a simple document to end controversy – except that perhaps he really isn't a citizen?”. You defend him because you put your faith in him. That's just plain stupid. You should question his motives too. If it's as purile a reason as you state – that he doesn't want to nah-nah-nah, then he is not worthy of the office.

Why is it that our President's defenders are the first to play the race card?

Cause that's the game they were taught. Someone's saying something negative about you? Must be cause you're black, right? Couldn't be that skin tone has nothing to do with it, and you're just unqualified…..

If Obama didn't have anything to hide, and it seems he does, he would have released all his records including his birth certificate, BEFORE the election!!! He didn't run to Hawaii to see his ailing white grandmother, he went there for the purpose of having the Governor seal all his personal records—sounds like a cover up to me!!

So what's your theory there Elmer? She's 9 months pregnant, get's on a plane to have her baby in Kenya, then four days later (with a less than a week old newborn in tow) she's back in Hi. placing birth announcements in newspapers and convincing the DOH that he was born in Hi.?

And if that is your theory why do you need to see his original BC? Obviously it's not going to prove anything to you. You'll just believe she lied about where he was born way back when.

So what's your theory there Elmer? She's 9 months pregnant, get's on a plane to have her baby in Kenya, then four days later (with a less than a week old newborn in tow) she's back in Hi. placing birth announcements in newspapers and convincing the DOH that he was born in Hi.?

And if that is your theory why do you need to see his original BC? Obviously it's not going to prove anything to you. You'll just believe she lied about where he was born way back when.

Like…refusing to acknowledge that the President of the United States was actually born in the United States? In the face of overwhelming evidence? Like that kind of denial?

Like…refusing to acknowledge that the President of the United States was actually born in the United States? In the face of overwhelming evidence? Like that kind of denial?

mystyplx analogous logic: “I will not sign a general armistice because if I did, that would only start another war!”

Produce a copy of the bona fide birth certificate (HI's long form) and the infantilism on both sides dies overnight. Failure to do this (i.e., 'there ain't no such turkey in reality') fans the flames of dissension and solves nothing. The legitimacy of the Zerobama presidency is already in doubt given who, er what, voted for him (the great majority of people in this country who pay no federal taxes. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Failures, in other words.). The least he can do is offer up the birth cirtificate!

And to answer your question: It's because it's not a good idea for the President of the United States to capitulate to nutjobs throwing tantrums.

HE HAS ALREADY POSTED IT!!!! The problem is that you wingnuts have decided it's a forgery. There is no satisfying you. Nuff said.

Hm, that sounds suspiciously like what I said in the first place. My comment was descriptive, not prescriptive.

Hm, that sounds suspiciously like what I said in the first place. My comment was descriptive, not prescriptive.

Hm, that sounds suspiciously like what I said in the first place. My comment was descriptive, not prescriptive.

He DID release his birth certificate before the election, goofball. He did have his grandmother fake her own death to cover up his record sealing though.

Let;s see, this time 2 years ago I was gainfully employed, living in a country where I felt safe from terrorist and I didn't worried about leaving my grandchildren in overwelming debt. Your right I guess it was that Saudi huge that help me realize how much better off we are now.Luckily you brilliant folks were able to open my eyes.

You people need medication and an education. Period. Take off the tin foil hats and learn to live with the fact that you have a black President….an a educated one for a change.
Guess Obama's parents did not need to worry that a black man and white woman being married before Obama was born was against the law in many states. Guess they had the foresight to put birth notices in 2 papers 48 years ago…all so they could plan on his being the first black president. To a sane person who holds no racist views? ALL of that makes sense. To those of you lacking in so many ways? Your willing to lie to not have to deal with the facts…those pesky little things LOL Get use to it, NO ONE with a brain bothers to listen to your made up racist endeavors.

Follow along. I'll go slowly. Yes. He. Has.

Where is the long form birth certificate, and WHO has reviewed it leftie?

Jen: You Got it.

The answers posted here that 'he doesn't have to' justifiably feed our speculation that he isnt' a citizen. Which would make him in violation of the law.

What we do know is that Congress is ready to appoint the most biased, racist judge in the history of this nation. Who's really running this country?

The Mother was not old enough to pass on Citizenship to B.H.O.

Sure she was, not that it matters considering he was born in Hawaii, but she was.

If HI produce the short form BC. wouldn't they the state of HI be able to produce the long form BC also. Your problem should be with the state of HI. I am sure if they produce the long form BC you will have a problem with that too.

uuhhh FreetoBme…….2 years ago was right before George Bush crashed the economy through deregulation and turning a blind eye to his friends such as Bernie……sorry but your not allowed to change the dates on who was responsible for the economy. LOL This is why ONLY 20% of the people in this country will not identify as Republican.

You prove my point. He has produced a bona fide BC. The fact you won't accept that pretty well illustrates that you won't accept anything. You've already got fake experts claiming the BC he's shown is a forgery. They'll just claim the original is a forgery too.

Besides that, this is GOLD for him politically. Fair or not, you birthers create the impression that his political enemies are nutjobs. Why would he want to end that even if producing the vault copy WOULD end it?

Jeff: We are talking about the 'REAL' birth certificate. The Long BC with his hand/foot print at the time of birth. I have one from 1954. It was a federal requirement. If he is a citizen it exists.

I don't know or care about his grandmother or his motives for a trip to Hawaii. Just produce the document, or I must conclude you are a fake.

The State of Hawaii does not provide you with a long certificate. Yet, it was posted online for all to see to try to satisfy the Wingnut Nation. But that's not enough – the wingnutteria has deemed it a forgery. Would they prefer him to unilaterally override Hawaii's laws through executive order? Then you'll hear the banshees screaming about what a tyrant he is… Golly Miss Molly! Just face it – he's a thorn in their side and they'd believe anything to realize their fantasy of getting him out of office. So sad.

The State of Hawaii does not provide you with a long certificate. Yet, it was posted online for all to see to try to satisfy the Wingnut Nation. But that's not enough – the wingnutteria has deemed it a forgery. Would they prefer him to unilaterally override Hawaii's laws through executive order? Then you'll hear the banshees screaming about what a tyrant he is… Golly Miss Molly! Just face it – he's a thorn in their side and they'd believe anything to realize their fantasy of getting him out of office. So sad.

You know, you're so right, Mysty! As Bill Clinton so covincingly artiuclated: “I never had sex with THAT woman!” Good thing we could believe him…

Theory doesn't matter.

Producing the Long Birth Certificate does.

End of Story.

The reason that Obama has not post his long form birth certificate and all necessary supporting documentation, is because he cannot provide what he does not possess!

All this crazy stuff about Obama not being a native born US citizen would simply end if Obama would just produce a physical (not a web image) copy of his certified birth certificate from the State of Hawaii. We all have to produce these documents throughout our live (get a passport, driver's license, professional licenses, etc…). Why he resists this doing this only feeds those who want to keep this bogus story alive. I never understood why Obama, like McCain, just did not produce a physical copy of his birth certificate during the campaign. It only costs about $20.00 to get a certified copy and it would end all this rumor mongering about his alleged “Kenyan birth”.

Please please – do not shoot fish in a barrel with anything bigger than a BB gun . I’ve seen it done , and barrels break . Then we’ll have a new republican movement – the bursters . ( I’m still waiting to hear from the after-birthers . )

All this talk makes me think someone is hiding something. What is Obama hiding? Why doesn't he just release his birth certificate? Makes you wonder, huh?

NO – You have your head wedge up your rear end pal.

The real LONG BC has a foot or hand print.

That would DEfinitively end this controversy.

nah-nah-nah-nah-nah – I'm the president and I don't have to doesn't cut it.

Military members are now filing suit saying Obama is not a natural born US citizen, and therefore any orders to deploy to war zones are illegal. They are suceeding in not deploying. Military readiness has been affected. If Obama releases the long form birth certifcate the controversy ends.

The commander in chief has now damaged military readiness. Release the damn long form certifcate or resign, bumbler in chief.

I work in the Mental Health field, and I think you conspiracy theorists better consider getting treated for Paranoia, and quit listening to (pill popping, buying RX drugs illegally, divorced 3 times, advocate of family values and the War on Drugs) Rush, who is the biggest hypocrite in America. I think you all are victims of a family tree that doesn't branch, as are all the radicals.

If you could bottle the crazy in here and pour it in your gas tank, you could drive your car to Mars.

My BC doesn't have a hand/footprint. What makes you think Obama's does? And what difference would it make anyway? If his mother was capable of getting the State to issue him a BC even if he wasn't born in Hi. said BC would have his hand/footprint if Hi certificates do that.

The Birthers believes he was born in Kenya. so what would a long form BC do for them?

No Liar – they have the LONG BC – he is refusing to produce it or show it.

This is true, and he is doing such a wonderful job of destroying the economy and ruining this country, birth certificate or not. This guy is making Jimmy Carter look like a genius.

Here's an interesting question, just as a thought experiment: Sure, you have your birth certificate in a safe; good for you! Now, are you saying that, regardless of anything else, *you* are therefore more qualified to be the President than the President? If not, then what difference does it make to begin with (leaving aside Constitutional quibbles for the moment)?

Here's an interesting question, just as a thought experiment: Sure, you have your birth certificate in a safe; good for you! Now, are you saying that, regardless of anything else, *you* are therefore more qualified to be the President than the President? If not, then what difference does it make to begin with (leaving aside Constitutional quibbles for the moment)?

Sorry, but yes it does. You can scream and cry and throw all the tantrums you want, but he's already proven his place of birth and the majority (the sane people) are satisfied.

Sweetie, I think George Bush did a crappy job. He's just another selfish big government politician. Although he loved spending he wasn't borrowning and printing money our grandchildren will have to repay. He may have left a deficit but it was chump change compared to Obama's work. Lol I didn't change the date on anything. Ah on last thing, I never said I was republican you just assumed I was because I'm not willing to lay the current mess anywhere but where but where it belongs. It's an OBAMANATION now. Drink some kool aide.

Yes they have the original vault copy. No they don't give it out. What they give out is what you've seen.

I don't know if this is true – But BRAVO.

thank God if it is.

If he is not a citizen – he is a criminal. And then we are in grave danger of a criminal alien running the military.

Produce the D@mned document.

If I were in his position I would go on National TV- The way he does when he is pushing his agenda and show the document and let his opponents have an independed expert validate it and compare the hand or foot print to his own.

This Would End the Controversy 100%.

If raises the legitimate Question – “What is he hiding?”

What is a long birth certificate? I do not have one and have considered myself a citizen all my 58 year life.

What is a long birth certificate? I do not have one and have considered myself a citizen all my 58 year life.

What is a long birth certificate? I do not have one and have considered myself a citizen all my 58 year life.

I have evidence that Dick Cheney was born in Irag! He wanted to anilhate them, due to an ex-girlfriend that dissed him for Saddam Hussein, who had money and palaces.

I have evidence that Dick Cheney was born in Irag! He wanted to anilhate them, due to an ex-girlfriend that dissed him for Saddam Hussein, who had money and palaces.

Wrong, buddy. THE bona fide copy of the birth cirtificate is the long form. You know, the one that names the hospital at which you were born, indicates the signatures of the doctor who delivered you and the state's certificate registrar, among other authenticating info. Obama's abbreviated deal shows NONE of this. Show us the beef!

BTW, here's how we know what Obama has shown thus far was printed ages after his birth. First, his document says his father's race is 'African.' Minus ten points!! “African” is not a race, it's a place. Egyptians are Africans. So are South African's Boers. Neither are black, however. I challenge anyone to find a birth certificate from that era that would show 'African' on it! Analogously, 'Asian 'is not a race (Asia is a place), but “Oriental” is.

Second faux fact on Zerobama's alleged birth certificate: It says mother's race “Caucasian.” That indeed is a race, to be sure, but the word wasn't employed 48 yrs ago. The politically incorrect “white” word was used, however. Oh myyy — how 'insenstive!' of them to use that word back then!!

Wrong, buddy. THE bona fide copy of the birth cirtificate is the long form. You know, the one that names the hospital at which you were born, indicates the signatures of the doctor who delivered you and the state's certificate registrar, among other authenticating info. Obama's abbreviated deal shows NONE of this. Show us the beef!

BTW, here's how we know what Obama has shown thus far was printed ages after his birth. First, his document says his father's race is 'African.' Minus ten points!! “African” is not a race, it's a place. Egyptians are Africans. So are South African's Boers. Neither are black, however. I challenge anyone to find a birth certificate from that era that would show 'African' on it! Analogously, 'Asian 'is not a race (Asia is a place), but “Oriental” is.

Second faux fact on Zerobama's alleged birth certificate: It says mother's race “Caucasian.” That indeed is a race, to be sure, but the word wasn't employed 48 yrs ago. The politically incorrect “white” word was used, however. Oh myyy — how 'insenstive!' of them to use that word back then!!

Wrong, buddy. THE bona fide copy of the birth cirtificate is the long form. You know, the one that names the hospital at which you were born, indicates the signatures of the doctor who delivered you and the state's certificate registrar, among other authenticating info. Obama's abbreviated deal shows NONE of this. Show us the beef!

BTW, here's how we know what Obama has shown thus far was printed ages after his birth. First, his document says his father's race is 'African.' Minus ten points!! “African” is not a race, it's a place. Egyptians are Africans. So are South African's Boers. Neither are black, however. I challenge anyone to find a birth certificate from that era that would show 'African' on it! Analogously, 'Asian 'is not a race (Asia is a place), but “Oriental” is.

Second faux fact on Zerobama's alleged birth certificate: It says mother's race “Caucasian.” That indeed is a race, to be sure, but the word wasn't employed 48 yrs ago. The politically incorrect “white” word was used, however. Oh myyy — how 'insenstive!' of them to use that word back then!!

Wrong, buddy. THE bona fide copy of the birth cirtificate is the long form. You know, the one that names the hospital at which you were born, indicates the signatures of the doctor who delivered you and the state's certificate registrar, among other authenticating info. Obama's abbreviated deal shows NONE of this. Show us the beef!

BTW, here's how we know what Obama has shown thus far was printed ages after his birth. First, his document says his father's race is 'African.' Minus ten points!! “African” is not a race, it's a place. Egyptians are Africans. So are South African's Boers. Neither are black, however. I challenge anyone to find a birth certificate from that era that would show 'African' on it! Analogously, 'Asian 'is not a race (Asia is a place), but “Oriental” is.

Second faux fact on Zerobama's alleged birth certificate: It says mother's race “Caucasian.” That indeed is a race, to be sure, but the word wasn't employed 48 yrs ago. The politically incorrect “white” word was used, however. Oh myyy — how 'insenstive!' of them to use that word back then!!

I Don't listen to Rush Limbaugh.

I draw a logical conclusion to a valid question and concern.

You are an idiot.

The kool aide reference exposes you to be a Fox News zombie. So you are probably very fair and balanced in your thinking. Let me guess, you think Bush did a crappy job because he was too liberal?

The kool aide reference exposes you to be a Fox News zombie. So you are probably very fair and balanced in your thinking. Let me guess, you think Bush did a crappy job because he was too liberal?

Ah, it's Bill Clinton's fault. Lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction, 5000 Americans sent to die in Iraq on the back of that lie, an economy in ruins, one Family Values Republican after another caught with his pants down, Ministers in gay porn scandals, Republican bribery and corruption…but Bill Clinton, OMIGOD that was bad bad bad.

If has your foot or handprint and detailed info such as the exact time of date, physician, mother and father's name, etc.

Makes me wonder why there are so many morons who keep insisting he hasn't released his BC.

Do you want Obama to display it to all 300 million Americans personally? You people are nut cakes! Let it die. It has been proven over and over again. Why didn't you demand Bush or Reagan to display actual birth certificates? No wonder this country is going down the tubes! I'll bet half of you are on Welfare, or Social Security, and bash the Government for entitlement programs. A bunch of hypocrites.

Yeah, that's very funny.

Do you have any insight or intelligence to add, or just ignorant insults designed to make you feel like your penis is big enough?

If the President is immune to the same level of accountability the citizens are held to then no one is accountable to any one including the president! What this means is that we as citizens can tell the president and any other authority they have no authority, and law does not pertain to us. I think we can all agree that without accountability there is no responsibility. Mr. Obama needs to be held accountable and show to the citizens that he represents that he is legitimate.

lynnmcdaniel, tell me how two years ago, the economy crashed, two years ago the quarterly growth of GDP was positive 3.6%, not negative 6.4% under Obama. Unemployment was 4.7%, not 9.5% under Obama. Which “deregulation” led to the ecomomy crashing? Or was it due to massively understating the risk of FNMA and FRMAC, who invested in bogus mortgages during the time that FNMA was being run by Obama advisor Franklin Raines? And protected by Senator Dodd and Congressman Frank, Chairs of the committees overseeing regulations on these government entities. Or Bernard Madoff, who has made 80% of his donations to Democrats, and never donated one thin dime to President Bush.

There is a thing called the internet, where you can actually chech facts, so next time, keep your nonsense to yourself.

Do you have any insight or intelligence to add, or just ignorant insults designed to make you feel like your penis is big enough?

Brain dead conservatives still don't get it. I wellcome anyone who would care to argue that bush isn't a traitor and a murder. Not to mention war criminal. Look it up in the Constitution as well as the U.N. War crimes tribunal. Even morons such as rush can't argue with the truth unless they use propoganda. Which I might add they are second to no one in that form of brainwashing. I was called un-American and a traitor for accusing this corrupt Govt. of war crimes and lying to the American people as well as the world. They must have forgotten what this country was founded upon. I went to war for this country, now I'm ashamed of it and that makes me angry. I demand my country back. Let's begin by prosecuting those in the bush adminnistration for trashing the bill of rights. The punishment for treason is excecution and I for one would like to valunter to be a member of the firing squad. Oop's, I sure hope we still honor something called “Freedom of speech”

You don't know what the phrase “logical conclusion” even means. He's shown his BC. It's the only kind Hi. gives out. It's been confirmed (repeatedly) by the DOH that actually issues said certificates.

The “logical conclusion” that anyone with more than two braincells would draw from that is that he was born in Hi., just like his BC says.

You don't know what the phrase “logical conclusion” even means. He's shown his BC. It's the only kind Hi. gives out. It's been confirmed (repeatedly) by the DOH that actually issues said certificates.

The “logical conclusion” that anyone with more than two braincells would draw from that is that he was born in Hi., just like his BC says.

Oh, the REAL one. Even if a so called “long form” was released with those hand/foot prints on it something tells me you would think it was a fake.

Listen, this is very simple. The “long” birth certificate that all the crackpots are demanding does exist, has been seen and verified by the state of Hawaii! It is the stated policy of the state not to release the original copy, but have verified it as authentic and it does exist! THE LONG CERTIFICATE HAS BEEN RELEASED BY HAWAII…IT CANNOT BE RELEASED BY OBAMA, AS THE STATE OF HAWAII KEEPS THOSE RECORDS!!!!!!!! Enough already! get a clue people!!!!!! Really, learn the facts and you might just get a small clue about something for once in your life. What part of the original “long” certificate is held by the state of Hawaii and has been validated and authenticated do you losers not seem to understand!? By the way, John McCain was NOT born in the United States…fact is he was born in Panama! (albeit on US soil)….see the difference between you crackpot “Birther's” and people who live in reality, is that those of us in the real world accept that McCain was born in a US Military installation and therefore, counts as being a US citizen. We also accept that the fact that the original certificate exists and has been fully validated by the state of Hawaii, including the Governor (who is a Republican) and that a fully legal copy has been released, a copy that is valid and is good enough for the state department to issue a passport. How many of you lunatics have their original birth certificate…the “long” version that they are screaming about being produced? Not the fancy one their mommies kept for them with their footprints on them? Please get a clue, this is distracting from the real issues we are all facing and is simply propagated by a lunatic, racist fringe who cannot accept a black man is President of the United States.

Yep wez need to be smart like you. Us unedjukted folks would never think to borrow and print money we don't have so the govern't can keep on spendin. Wez would probably done somethin dumb like decrease goverment spendin, Good thing cuz than how would we keep blamin Bush? Again lucky to have you to point it out. Oh and is this what you meant? -This is why ONLY 20% of the people in this country will not identify as Republican. I think it's probably more than 20% I'm one of them. You just assumed I'm republican cuz I'm not sittin around drinking the kool aide with ya.

All of which you crazy ass birthers would claim are forged if the State of Hawaii were to release the original. There is no reason to give lunatics any credence, as it will only push them to greater heights of insanity.

What is your job in the 'Mental Health field'? Are you a janitor at an MHMR? I know several mental health professionals (yes, with real and direct health care jobs, who would not dream of writing so juvenile a comment, let alone actually posting such tripe. Please let us all know at what instituion you are mopping floors and cleaning toilets. I would not dream of going there for help, or entrusting loved ones into the care of someone so narrow-minded.

Paul M
Sesser, Illinois

Mike;

These stats lie. Bush was a demon, a Nazi – a retarded psychopath.

It is all irrelevant though.

What is relevant in this discussion is whether this guy is a US Citizen. There are legitimate doubts as it is clear he is hiding something.

It is also clear that the liberal fools who worship him – because they are to stupid to think for themselves – cannot give an answer anything close to respectability.

“What is Obama hiding” is not a legitimate question. If Obama has nothing to hide concerning his b.c, why would he have to fulfill your dumb request?

If a kid challenged me to jump down from my house roof and I did it for him, that would make me as crazy and immature as he is.

Obama will not go down to your level.

While I can agree that conspiracy theorists ought to be treated to a nice healthy heaping of reality, I question the abilities of a practitioner in the mental health field who has such scorn for the very type of people they are supposed to help.
A hijacked plane crashed into the pentagon, two into the world trade centers, and a field. The government should have been able to figure it out, but the right people weren't talking to each other.
Bush wasn't AWOL in the Air National Guard. Forged memos run through a copy machine ten times doesn't make the accurate.
Obama IS the duly-elected PRESIDENT. The government issued his passport before the election based on their own research. The preponderance of evidence in the government's own records is why the lawsuits were all summarily dismissed.

So sorry you morons, but his 'Gammy' says he was born in Kenya. You calling a good black woman a liar?

Paul M
Sesser, Illinois

Obama is destroying our country with his endless spending.. I hope you idiots that voted for this media fraud are happy..

Mine doesn't have a hand or footprint. But even if Obama's does, why is it that you need to see his hand/footprint from when he was a baby? All the pertinent information is on the short form, which is based on the original.

The 'proof' by that Russian Lady has been debunked here but the birthers ignore it. Like what they say,”Don't let the facts cloud your imagination”

Are you Stupid:

Obama can make a simple Phone Call to the Gov of Hawaii – or speak to him when he is in D.C. and tell him to release the Document.

If the gov refused – he would be under attack, not Obama.

That document is the only true evidence that would put this legitimate concerna and question of millions of real citizens to rest.

Last I knew, it doesn't matter WHERE you are born if you have a parent who is a U.S. citizen. John McCain was born in Panama.

he has. the state has verified it legitimate. doesn't matter, you could hold it in your hand and you wouldn't believe it real. you are being laughed at by most of the world.

he has. the state has verified it legitimate. doesn't matter, you could hold it in your hand and you wouldn't believe it real. you are being laughed at by most of the world.

You people are nuts. If he did produce the “long form” like you all say, you still would say its a forgery. What, is he supposed to mail the original copy to each of you crazies so you can touch it and be satisfied it is real? Please. Here's a question, you know the US State Dept. needs a copy of your birth certificate to issue a passport. Do you think they would have issued him a passport if the BC he submitted was fake? Are you telling me, all you idiots are better “experts” at spotting a fake birth certificate than the State Dept. who does this all the time? Just face it, you are a bunch of racists who can't accept a black president with a foreign-sounding name.

Futhermore – AHOLE – the fact that we can reason and draw logical conclusions doesn't make us racist.

Playing the race card is what liberal jerk-offs do best. Race is not the issue Moron.

So sorry, but she did NOT say that. It was a translated interview over a bad phone connection. Either she or the translator misunderstood the question. She immediately corrected it when she did understand the question. The desperation with which you birthers cling to that one simple mistake in an interview, instantly corrected, is illustrative of the level of insanity here.

Because you obviously love your dear leader, you really must read “his” book Dreams of My Father, where he remembers finding a copy of his bc in a book and how that caused him to reflect on his history and heritage… There is nothing racist about people who respect the Constitution and expect its provisions to be upheld.

What if he do produce the long form. Then what. Will that be a fake to. What will you come up with next. I think if you don't like him vote him out in 2012. That's the only way you will get him out of office. Cause I am willing to bet that none of this stuff that you guys are talking about in her matters to those politicans. Cause if it did they would of been done something about it so stop your whining and take it like a man.

Bush?

Who cares about that Retarded Psychopath?

We're talking about whether the president of our nation is even legitimate.

Are you Stupid, or just a liberal?

Where were you with your concerns about the Federal budget and spending when Bush/Cheny were spending $720 millions/day on the unwarranted war in Iraq? And then he cut taxes as a sop to the dumb and dumber on top of hemorraghing money into Iraq!! Millions in U. S. dollars given to milliary and civilian personnel to walk around in Iraq and hand out. No strings attached! No accountability! And then there's the little issue of the prescription drug benefit, Medicare Part D? Another giveaway to keep the wool pulled over the eyes of the ignorant and the hysterical! Another instance of no provision to pay for it! Another instance of creative bookkeeping, not evening putting this new benefit into the budget! Talk about irresponsibility and lack of accountability! Let's face it, for a certain kook element in American society, Barack Obama can't do anything that willbe pleasing to them!

Sit down, shut up, and grow up!

Rush whatever his name is used to say all drug addicts should be shot. Since he's a drug addicted felon I demand he be shot. He should lead by example. That is if he wasn't a big mouth coward. I would love to have him call me un-American to my face for being against the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilions and brave American soldiers Unlike him I went to war for this nation, now I'm ashamed of it and that makes me angry. I want my country back

The only ones making a big deal out of obummer being a 'black' (actually mulatto) president are the liberal fruitcakes. It's not about black, you idiots. It's about legal and illegal, about right and wrong. Everytime you people don't have a leg to stand on you trot out the tired old…'well, you're just racist' routine…you sound like fifth-graders, and asshole fifth-graders at that. All the moron has to do to clear this up, is do what any normal person would do…produce the real BC…not some facsimilize copy on the internet. Have you idiots never heard of 'freedom of information” The American people have a right to know, and we have a right to the real-mccoy-actual documents involved in any dispute. You left-wing nutjobs are only too ready to scream 'freedom of information!' when it comes to one of your pet, idiotic causes, but not so hot for it when the truth might damage your liberal nutjob president. The liberal idiots in this country continue to sicken me to no end.

Paul M
Sesser, Illinois

He has produced his birth certitificate. Pay attention.
Let's move on to something important like health care.
I have Multiple Sclerosis.
When I get a relapse, my doctor wants me to receive steroid therapy by an iv because steroid therapy by iv reduces the likelihood of relapses. However, my insurance company won't pay for the steroid therapy.
My doctor gives me a blood test to determine if I am developing resistance to my MS therapy. It's a $1,000 blood test. My insurance won't pay for the test though.He ordered it, and we didn't know about the insurance so I had a $1,000 bill.
Others with health issues have even bigger issues. So let's move on from the stupid birth certificate issue, which has already been resolved.

Actually from the politico article I linked, it is not 20%. It would appear to be 13%. But that is not what you said. and I quote….”20% of the Black Voters voted for Obama”. That is just wrong.

In my view, money buys all elections…so that is moot point. That fact is how popular are you to raise that money. He was able to raise that money, which is what winning an election is all about. Thus got in the white house the same way all of them do.

Either way, you are still crazy.

It's Based on the Original – which automatically puts it in Doubt.

We need to see and validate the original

It's Based on the Original – which automatically puts it in Doubt.

We need to see and validate the original

It's Based on the Original – which automatically puts it in Doubt.

We need to see and validate the original

It's Based on the Original – which automatically puts it in Doubt.

We need to see and validate the original

>>Or, are you one of those Caucasians who would voluntarily give their lives for someone who is dfferent from them, as long as they’re not required to give recognition of their equal humanity! <<

Your comment is pathetically humorous, buddy, indeed blatantly absurd, considering Zerobama never registered for the draft (a crime, oh by the way) and refuses to provide documented proof that he ever did. Of course, while (in)gloriously admitting that he was an avid drug user smoking pot 24/7 (among who knows how many other drugs), Zerobama somehow found the time to go to the Post Office and register for the draft. Sure, and Bill Clinton never had sex with THAT woman, too….

I imagine he could probably throw his weight around as President to get the vault copy in spite of Hi.s policies, but why on Earth should he? Just to satisfy a handful of nutjobs who won't believe it anyway?

that's a really stupid reply.

Why won't he release the original if it exists?

that's a really stupid reply.

Why won't he release the original if it exists?

Mr. McCain was born on a military installation. So it does matter!

Mr. McCain was born on a military installation. So it does matter!

Mr. McCain was born on a military installation. So it does matter!

Mr. McCain was born on a military installation. So it does matter!

I wish the “birthers” would make up their minds–was Obama born in Kenya, Indonesia, Australia, or Timbuktu! PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT!!

Or, they could come back to reality and realize that he was born in Hawaii.

But you know, even if he wasn't, his mother was an American citizen–that makes him a “Natural Born American, no matter where he was born!!

I wish the “birthers” would make up their minds–was Obama born in Kenya, Indonesia, Australia, or Timbuktu! PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT!!

Or, they could come back to reality and realize that he was born in Hawaii.

But you know, even if he wasn't, his mother was an American citizen–that makes him a “Natural Born American, no matter where he was born!!

I wish the “birthers” would make up their minds–was Obama born in Kenya, Indonesia, Australia, or Timbuktu! PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT!!

Or, they could come back to reality and realize that he was born in Hawaii.

But you know, even if he wasn't, his mother was an American citizen–that makes him a “Natural Born American, no matter where he was born!!

I wish the “birthers” would make up their minds–was Obama born in Kenya, Indonesia, Australia, or Timbuktu! PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT!!

Or, they could come back to reality and realize that he was born in Hawaii.

But you know, even if he wasn't, his mother was an American citizen–that makes him a “Natural Born American, no matter where he was born!!

All craziness aside (and there's way too much of THAT around this President) why won't he let us see it if it would end all of this? I'm sure he was born in the United States, but that doesn't mean I don't want proof! I honestly think he loves the all the controversy around himself as he does never does anything to stop it! (And when it runs low he spouts his mouth off and creates more!) The words Media and Whore come to mind…

Dave Weigel might be right in this case, but in the past he's lied and misled about this issue. For instance, he claimed on TV that Hawaiian officials said the cert on BHO's site wasn't forged. But, they never said that: Weigel lied.

And, if any HotAir readers want to see how Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit are hurting the GOP at the same time as they refuse to bust the MSM for obvious lies, see this.

He has produced his birth certitificate. Pay attention.
Let's move on to something important like health care.
I have Multiple Sclerosis.
When I get a relapse, my doctor wants me to receive steroid therapy by an iv because steroid therapy by iv reduces the likelihood of relapses. However, my insurance company won't pay for the steroid therapy.
My doctor gives me a blood test to determine if I am developing resistance to my MS therapy. It's a $1,000 blood test. My insurance won't pay for the test though.He ordered it, and we didn't know about the insurance so I had a $1,000 bill.
Others with health issues have even bigger issues. So let's move on from the stupid birth certificate issue, which has already been resolved.

Isn't it funny that this lunatic movement is lead by a crazy lady dares to question POTUS' b.c. Is it legitimate because she has lighter skin that his? Who knows this lady has been plant by Russian to destroy our country? So who's the traitor here, the ones supporting the POTUS or the ones lead by this foreign-accent-speaking lady.

Doctor Roger – it would also be an ad equum attack , would it not ?

yes they would forge it. if the democratic party wanted the socialistic idiot to be in control and the democratic party to be in control in congress. the government has far more control than u.s. citizens realize. if they want it to look like obama was born in hawaii, ” here's your new birth certificate, mr. obama.” for me it's not that he's black, because for everyone accusing people of being racist, he's half WHITE. it's the fact that he is taking america down a socialist path. hmm think we'll collapse like russia in 20 years? something for everyone to think about.

Paul A Don't comment unless you know the facts! In regards to the Constitutuon, and eligability to be president:

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

If you actually READ the constitution, the fact that John McCain was born outside of the US but on a military base of American parents while his father was serving in the military is the point.

Again, this illustrates the difference between people who make sound determinations based on fact instead of opinion and rhetoric.

Paul A Don't comment unless you know the facts! In regards to the Constitutuon, and eligability to be president:

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

If you actually READ the constitution, the fact that John McCain was born outside of the US but on a military base of American parents while his father was serving in the military is the point.

Again, this illustrates the difference between people who make sound determinations based on fact instead of opinion and rhetoric.

the Long BC – the legitimate and valid BC – has NOT been produced.

Pay attention? What rock have you been hiding under?

Who cares where he was born. He's going to go down as the worst president of all time. Even worse than Bush, and all because he thinks that politicians can “solve” the economic crisis that we're undergoing. In actuality, he will make it hundreds of times worse and there will most likely be rioting solely because of these actions.

It's not enough to be an American Citizen at birth, you must be a “Natural Born” citizen of the United States to be President under our Constitution.

Awesome reply!

Hard to consider a post when someone says socialist. Sorry.

He's shown proof. Crazy people won't accept it. He's shown the only kind of BC Hi. issues. They don't release the original vault copy. No state does. Some states still make photocopies of the original, but more and more are doing it the way Hi. does and using computer printouts.

As an attorney with a very rudimentary understanding of US citizenship law, I must disagree. Given your logic, my father who was born in Los Angeles of a Canadian father and an American mother would have been disqualifed to be president. American citizenship (technically in 1938 there was no formal Canadian citizenship and his father was a British subject), although not being natural born, can be obtained by derviation through the father even with a birth overseas. A baby does not chose his citizenship but under all modern interpretations of the 14th Amendment anyone physically born within the United States (unless on grounds of a foreign embassy) would automatically acquire US citizenship as a natural born citizen on US soil. Of course, given your argument, Obama could  have waived his US citizenship at 18 by renouncing it but he never did. I believe the only rational interpretation of the natural born citizenship requirement of the presidency set
forth in the Constitution  was a desire by the Founding Fathers to prevent someone born  and raised overseas (unless theoretically on US sovereign territory – US military base, US embassy, etc……) from being imported from somewhere else with a different cultural/politcal background to become president. I still think it is a good idea overall even though it does discriminate against some exeptionally well-qualified immigrants from ever seeking that position. But I also support the Electoral College so small states are not completely forgotten in the presidential election process..  
 
I personally believe the real problem here is that Obama is a bit Nixonesque and is very secretive about small details of his life that do not matter. He probably thinks if he produces his birth certificate, like McCain did showing he was born in the Canal Zone at a military hospital, it would be some ”sign of weakness” in answering his critics.  For example, he avoids any mention of initial college education at Occidental College here in Los Angeles (just wants to talk about those Ivy League school years), is purposely vague about his religious beliefs, etc…. Obama, in my opinion, has invented himself not from his own past but what he wants his past to be. This allowed him to throw his grandmother (the woman who raised him and gave him a future) under the bus during the campaign when it benefitted him politically. This side of Obama is his great weakness as a leader whatever your political beliefs. Obama has a ridden a bubble of good timing and
having great charm which allowed him to slip into the presidency with very little life experience that would normally qualify one for the job. I just hope this secretive side of Obama as to his personal life does not carry over into his management of government. But, of course, this is one man’s opinion and the election results prove at least as of last year my concerns were those of a minority of the voters.
 
Robert Bates

You can repeat that till the cows come home, but it still aint true. The certificate he's shown is legitimate and valid.

I have been hiding under the rock of reality and real problems.

Furthermore, I have never seen my long form. Maybe my birth certificate is fake then. I should ask my dad. Have you seen your long form?

Nice.

Or course, these morons have nothing to offer except opinion and rhetoric. Oh – and of course playing the race card.

If he produced it the easiest mass form of distribution would be to place a copy on the internet, immediately that would be claimed as a forgery by the Birthers. If they have an independent authority review the documents (which as I understand was done with the ones he produced already) than it would be said by the Birthers the authority was biased. The state of HI has already confirmed this information several times as has the State Department, but of course those are government entities so according to the Birthers have to be involved in the cover up already. They could do a public viewing of the document so anyone who wants to visually see it could walk past it, but it would have to be kept securely which means people probably couldn't do much handling of it in order to preserve it so someone in the Birther community would claim the display one was a fake as well. Then, there's the real catch 22 which is they could retroactively produce one now but that would just be a lie regardless of what it said because HI officials could just manufacture the fake at any point just to cover up the conspiracy. Which, leads me to think it is not at all possible to ever lay this to rest. Birthers could always move to another nation and set up their own government according to whatever rules they want, but unfortunately, I doubt they will, they'll continue to bitch for the next 4 to 8 years.

Even worse than Bush? Even worse than the President and the Party that put us in this mess? That lied us into a war? That bankrupted the country on that war? Worse than that? Yeah, right, and 2 + 2 = Tuesday.

his mother was an American citizen–that makes him a “Natural Born American, no matter where he was born!!
Same as John Mc Cain, but he was born on a military base near Panama and many “antibirthers” claim that means he was not a “natural born American”

Poor lunitic libs! We are plying from the same playbook as you idiots and you whine like the little beeotches you are. See the following:

9/11 – Bush Conspiracy WTC detonation – Even when debunced by Popular Mechanics you kept it alive

Bush Nation Guard records – Produced pay stubs and you claimed they were forgeries

McCain not eligable for President because he was not born in the US – He (unlike Obama) produced the long form of his birth certificate proving he was born in the Panama Canal Zone and elegible.

Its funny that I have to produce a BC to go to Mexico, but the DICKtator of the United States is above producing his.

“Natural born” means citizen at birth AKA birthright citizenship. This is as distinguished from “naturalized.”

“Natural born” means citizen at birth AKA birthright citizenship. This is as distinguished from “naturalized.”

“Natural born” means citizen at birth AKA birthright citizenship. This is as distinguished from “naturalized.”

Amen. Well said.

There it is: the 'S' word.

You are an imbecile.

He's my President and I demand proof… In this country the government only has power because WE give it to them, which means we can demand to see whatever we want! It's called democracy. I know you can get copies of your BC because you have to have them to get a state ID and to leave the country (which I'm sure he's done both). Plus you can't tell me that the PRESIDENT of the United States can't demand HI to release a certified copy… it's just simply idiocracy.

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Exactly, and well said. Sadly, the birthers don't want to talk about real problems. Not when they can distract us with fake “issues”.

No, it's not.

Just produce the original document and this goes away.

What is the rock star hiding?

Where did you get your numbers? Fantasy land? There was no surplus in 2001, we were breaking even with a 5 trillion dollar debt. The first and ONLY year that the United States has had a trillion plus deficit is 2209 (this year) President Obama spent this year, more than the Bush Administration did in the entire second term of his Presidency. What new demographics? With revenuse shrinking the way it has been, how do we pay for health care, or social security or education or bailouts, or defense. At the rate the current tax and spenders are going, the economy will be crushed under huge interest inflation caused by this lunacy. Social Security's own leadership said that because of the economy, they start paying out mre than they take in in 2013 and go bankrupt in 2029

Sorry, but the 911 “truthers” are nutjobs too. I used to think “truthers” were the biggest morons on earth, but you birthers make them look like mental giants by comparison.

Not up to Obama to “prove” your kooky theories. It's up to YOU to prove them. So far then you have, um, forgeries. Oh, yeah, and a lot of yelling. In other words: put up or shut up.

Not up to Obama to “prove” your kooky theories. It's up to YOU to prove them. So far then you have, um, forgeries. Oh, yeah, and a lot of yelling. In other words: put up or shut up.

Since Mombasa is a Muslim area of Kenya or Zanzibar at that time, I really doubt that it would ask for a “Christian Name”.

You mean Bush bankrupted us like the $1.6 trillion deficit, that Barry O has us running on? You mean bankrupted like a $787 billion stimulus that has actually increase unumployment and shrunk the economy. At least we won the war in Iraq, Scrotey.

How's this? You show us where that dimwit draft dodger George Bush was during his “missing time” in the military and we'll trade you that for Obama's birth certificate. It's funny, the military has meticulous records on everybody who ever served, where they were and when. But somehow, someway, they just don't seem to have anything, exactly, on this guy…

There are no long form birth certificates for butthole babies. That is the reason some of you have never seen yours.

He's shown proof, you just won't accept it. He HAS shown a CERTIFIED copy. Complete with raised seal and stamp of the registrar, confirmed repeatedly by the Hi. DOH who are the agency that actually issues such certificates.

Talk about idiocracy….

You may have forgotten that your Republican heroes voted all against none for the biggest corporate bailouts in history. But spending on their corporate buddies is OK. Spending on the American people, oh, that's communism.

Most birthers are troothers anyway. Conspiracy theory nutjobs are always looking for teh new crazy.

you do know that the definition of “natural born” is not codified anywhere including in the constitution and you are making an assumption as to its legal definition. since there is not a prescient set on the exact legal definition of “natural born” there are continuing competing theories as to how to effectively define it on a national level, including the interpretation of the 14th amendment and how it could relate to the argument. Since different states also hold the definition differently in their law there are even competing definitions on a non-Federal level of how to determine the difference between being a natural born citizen and being a statutory citizen (not naturalized, which implies changing citizenship from one nation to another, but rather is the definition of natural born strictly held to the soil of the continental United States + Alaska and Hawai'i or does it extend to US territorial holdings and military instillation or does it also impact births during travel particularly regarding at sea or by air). There are so many vast gray areas I'm sure the Birthers could exploit the same way that back in the day people went after Chester A. Aurhor. I'm all for challenging the status quo for the sake of the most accurate information but there is, I believe, a distinct difference in motives here.

Keep it up! This is busy work to keep you occupied so the rest of the country can get on with the important business of healing after this disastrous past eight years.

There is no long form in the state of Hawaii that its citizens can request. In HI, when citizens request a birth certificate, a CoLB is their only option–it's the only thing they can get, and it's Hawaii's official, federally approved version of a birth certificate.

Different states do things differently. Just because it's one way in South Dakota doesn't mean it's the same in Hawaii. Remember state governments? Or have conservatives finally stopped caring about states' rights? It's hard to tell. They just on the big government bandwagon everytime a state legislates in a way they don't like. Gay marriage? Forget laws–let's amend the freakin' constitution!

Maybe if you did a little genuine research into how Hawaii's state government and hospitals function instead of listening to AM talk radio you'd have a better grasp on reality. Heck, even the above post about proving McCain's citizenship listed the other definition of citizenship that works even when your father is an alien and you're born outside American soil: the mother simply has to have been an American citizen for at least five years. Guess where Obama's mom was born? Freakin' Kansas.

Move on already.

What an incredibly fact free little statement. And, I'm sorry, we “won” that war? Really? I know that Bush and Cheney's buddies, KBR and Halliburton, sure won the taxpayer rip-off award in Iraq. Come to think of it, all sorts of Republicans made tasty profits off the misery, lies and destruction in Iraq. Maybe that's what you mean by “won”. Like birthers and their forgeries, the “facts” you pimp are false and the facts that can be proven you won't accept.

Well if you can tell me where I can see that at I'll be proven wrong.

Strange!! Obama hadn't seen his Grandmother in years and she was the only living person
who could verify where he was really born, she died a week after his visit. Hmmmm
Obama couldn't get a security clearance to join the army but he can be President
something wrong with that

actually, he was not born in the Canal Zone, he was born at Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama, which lies outside of the US territorial holdings and recognized as Panama proper. In April 2008 the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain's status as a natural born citizen, so he basically got a government waiver to define his ambiguous status based on his unique case.

you really should try and do you research better if you want to debunk myths. there's more than enough public record about this one.

then again, you sound like rather than Fact you prefer political Truth. There's a difference, it's a shame more people can't separate their emotions and personal interpretations when trying to present Fact.

I dont care to see any birth papers as it doesnt matter.. he is ineligible because his father was a British subject at the time of Obama's Birth making him of dual allegience meaning he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! End of story.. over.. what is going to happen is he IS going to produce a BC that says he was born in Hawaii, and this will all get swept away and the real issue of NATURAL BORN will be no more…The BC issue is being pushed to hide the real problem. I totally believe he was born here.. but he will not ever be a NBC. To be natural born, both parents must be US citizens at the time of the childs birth. There is US Cit, Naturalized Cit and Natural Born…dont get them confused…

You say that. But did Bush get put out of office for any of the things you just wrote know he didn't. So I hope you haven't made yourself believe that Obama will be put out of office just because you think his bc is fake.LLOOLL.

You mean all the camp. promises he’s already broken?

Yes, it is his responsibility. Government by the people, for the people. We have the right to demand proof that he meets the requirements to run OUR country. We also have the responsibility to judge each document fairly and if proven wrong, gracefully accept it.

Sabbur, I see that you don’t understand the corruption of politics, so there is no need in engaging any further with you.  From your own word, you admitted that voters don’t elect Presidents, but money.  And since by your admission, what do you think this unknown Obama was able to gather Six Hundred and Sixty Eight Million Dollars ($668,000,000,.00) except that the anonymous powers selected him because of the great failure of The Bush Regime.  They knew that the continuing of the madness of Bush by Senator John (?) would bring rioting in the streets of America.  It was not that Obama was popular, but a Nation trying to cloak the mistreatment of a race of people of color for five hundred years.  If you send me another message, I will look at that and that will be the end of our communication.  GOD Bless You.  

Ira L. Lewis

there is precedent on this and you are incorrect, see Chester A Arthor 21st president of the US, who's father was Irish… blows your theory right out of the water.

and if you see my note below you'll understand better that there is not a pre-defined Federal level legal definition of Natural Born so you are making assumptions based on a theorized dictionary definition that both parents must be US citizens at the time of birth

Socialism is when the government owns or controls the means of production, right? And right now, doesn't our government own or control the major banks and two of the “big three” automakers? And isn't the government poised to take control of health care, which is fully one fifth of the economy? This is, by definitition, socialism, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the race of the person pushing the program.

I mean, look at the numbers from the last election – Whites voted for and against Obama at the same rate they voted for and against Al Gore and John Kerry in the previous elections. Blacks, on the other hand, voted for Obama by over 30 percentage points more than they voted for Kerry and Gore. Did their politics change that dramatically? Or did they vote based on race? You decide.

Man how can you say we won the war in Iraq. We went to war on a lie. Then another lie was told then another lie was told. It was three different lies to the reason that we went to war in Iraq. So how can war on lies be won. Please explain that to me.

I dont care to see any birth papers as it doesnt matter.. he is ineligible because his father was a British subject at the time of Obama's Birth making him of dual allegience meaning he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!

Wrong. And stupid. Here's a list of presidents with one non-citizen parent:

Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson
James Buchanan
Chester A. Arthur
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover
Barack Obama

See, that's how stupid you are.

End of story.. over.. what is going to happen is he IS going to produce a BC that says he was born in Hawaii, and this will all get swept away and the real issue of NATURAL BORN will be no more…The BC issue is being pushed to hide the real problem.

The birthers are part of the conspiracy! They're just trying to distract us all from the real issue! Wow, the crazy just gets crazier.

To be natural born, both parents must be US citizens at the time of the childs birth. There is US Cit, Naturalized Cit and Natural Born…dont get them confused…

You have them confused. Don't feel bad about it, you're insane and rather dim. There are actually two types: natural-born and naturalized. They are both U.S. citizens.

From every point of view of this who BC thing, has really no strong evidence to prove that he -isn't- a citizen. There are no strong facts to claim, no hard evidence that even suggests it. Now, this is the real kicker for me: Why would the US Government, our Government be as incompetent as to not investigate any persons background for any federal position within any administration? The answer is: The have.

To even apply for any position within our federal government, you do have to supply your birth certificate, go through exhaustive background checks, physicals, and the alike, and to say that he deviously deceived all law enforcement officals, from every level. Is not only an insult to them as professionals, but to our government. Have you no faith in how we handle things?

So what about his drivers license? Last time I checked you needed to have a birth certificate for that. College Aid? Senatorial Runs? Are you people incompetent? Are you implying at -every- tier of government he was a part of, he magically eluded any form of investigation into his background?

Oh I get it, because he has a foreign name, and he looks black, all of a sudden he has to prove to you that he's a citizen. Ingenious. Really. You guys just keep digging your party deeper and deeper in a hole. At this rate, the Democrats can pass anything, and all you still are ranting about his Long Form BC.

Ingenious Really. You will doom your conservative movement for days to come. When you're old, retired, and about to pass on, when the youth look upon this, know that -you- ruined your only chance to redeem any semblance of power in the country.

The more and more you guys go about it, the more and more that future voters look upon this and say: You are crazy.

Good job in handing the liberals this country wingnuts.

you are a disgusting piece of shit for suggesting what you just did.

There is definition regarding dual allegience.. his father was a british subject and his mother was not here long enough to pass her citizenship to him .. so he is not natual born. as for Chester A.. It doesnt change the facts of NOW. So it slipped in.. oh wait.. so did this one.. it doesnt matter.. nothing short of a 2million person march to DC will be needed to make any change.. the hill doesnt care.. and they do whatever THEY want and not what WE want..
This country has been broke for a long time.. before bush..before clinton.. Oh well..I guess I will continue to cling to my guns and god..

Oh NOES!1! Teh scawwy Muslin prezunit TeLePromTuRZ is comin' for mah bukkit!!1!!

The right had their way for 8 long years, our country was run into the ground. Now we have a man that was elected by majority vote, that's correct the right lost, wheather you like it or not Obama is our president, our leader, the most powerful man in the world, brought into power by a democratic voting system that worked far better than in 2000. Deal with it, in less than 4 years you will have your chance again to get one of your beloved right wingers in power again, then all of you paranoid dillusionists can reign supreme again and ruin this country far more with your hatred, paranoia, guns, religious fanaticism and general fear of anything you don't fully understand. I am not a democrat but when you only have 2 choices for prez this is what happens. I can't imagine how the angry troll and his non-sensical mistress would've been doing right about now, probably more of the conservative right winger same. How boring!

I see these type of people everywhere on the net. They don't have to prove anything they say with facts, so they lie through their teeth to promote their rant du jour. I'm sick to death of them, and assume most are too. Obama was never denied clearance for the armed forces, and it doesn't matter what type of citizen his father was: He was born in the U.S., and his mother is also a U.S. citizen. Splice together all the misinformation you want, you really can't change what is true.

The deficit was 1.3 trillion when Bush left office. If Obama leaves us with 1.6, it will be a fraction of the deficit increase Bush saddled us with:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/econ…

According to the IMF and several economists, The stimulus has been partly responsible for the good economic news we've seen over the last few weeks:

“Obama's stimulus package of tax cuts and increased government spending provided some support to the economy in the second quarter. But it will have more impact in the second half of this year as it extends its reach, economists said.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090731/ap_on_bi_ge…

Even John McCain admits that Obama's economic policies are working in the short term:

“”I think you could say that it is a short-term improvement in the economy. And I'll be glad to give him credit for that.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25699…

Making up facts isn't working for the birthers, and it won't work for you.

I heard Vince Foster was his real father!

Bush bankrupted us by nearly $800 billion thanks to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. At least Obama's helping American's with his plans, all Bush did was line the pockets of his oil industry pals. And TARP was approved before the Obama even got into office, so that's still on Bush's watch.

his father was a british subject and his mother was not here long enough to pass her citizenship to him

Yes, she was.

so he is not natual born.

Yes, he is.

as for Chester A.. It doesnt change the facts of NOW.

No, it just illustrates how idiotic your argument is. Oh, by the way, here's the full list of presidents with one or more foreign parents:

Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson
James Buchanan
Chester A. Arthur
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover
Barack Obama

Do you think no one in the history of the United States ever thought about that?

Oh well..I guess I will continue to cling to my guns and god..

Don't forget your paranoid delusions! You sure are clinging to those real good.

Maybe I wasn't clear…my point was that under the law they BOTH are American citizens, not that I questioned McCain's citizenship. And I appreciate the posting of the actual law…I admit I didn't know the exact requirements.

We’ve long since stopped “communicating” (if it was ever there). On a separate note:

from http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5690

“And anyway, why do we say “God bless you”? Remember, “God, bless you.” It’s like saying, “Fred, drive you to the store.” That means Fred’s driving himself. So when we say “God bless you” we’re saying “God, bless your own self.” But we don’t want the blessing to go to God; supposedly, we want it to go to the person we’re talking to. ”

……..

“Did you ever notice how sometimes we say weird things like that? The other day a friend was riding with me in the car and we were trying to find a place for gas, but the gas stations all had long lines, and so she said, “Waiting room only.” And I thought, “What was that ? Waiting room only.” I guess she meant the auto equivalent to “standing room only” but cars don’t stand, they wait in line. But when you say “waiting room only” for cars it doesn’t mean the same thing as “standing room only for people.” Does it? “Standing room only” means there’s only room left for those who will stand? So “waiting room only” means there’s only room left for those who wait . But there wasn’t any room left for those who wait; there wasn’t any waiting room at all. Everything was full. So she said “waiting room only” but she really meant ” no waiting room only.” Weird. Why do we talk like that? We do the same thing when we say “God bless you.”

So we say “God bless you” when we really mean “God bless them.” But we can’t say “God bless them” when we’re actually talking to them, because then we sound schizoid. Like place your hand on someone’s head, raise your eyes to heaven and say, “God bless him.” Like Thomas supposedly did in John 20. He said, “My Lord, and my God.” He’s not talking to Jesus, he’s talking to God up in heaven. That’s weird. Nobody talks that way. So we should say, “God, bless him or her ” if we really wanted to bless someone. But then we’re not talking to them, we’re talking to God.
”
……

“That’s why we simply say things like “God bless you” because we don’t we sound looney when we do. Why don’t we sound looney? Because we don’t mean it. We’re not really invoking a blessing. We’re not saying anything at all. We’re making nice Christian noise….and we’re using God’s name in a vain and empty fashion. That’s the way it seems to me.”

Does a C-section qualify as “natural-born?”

Digging their own graves. Just digging it deeper and deeper. Just like the children of Israel, there will be much wandering in the wilderness for 40 years. Perhaps after that time, do you see the follies of their ways, and attack policies, not birth certificates. If this is the only thing you have to bring down this guy, then.. well… good luck. Haha.

No matter what, we will have a bogus President due to our ineffective voting rights, along with a lack of representation in this lobbyist infected government.
I copied the following to make the point, just show us your real Birth certificate. That problem will go away. Next, answer the Barry Soetorro alien student question and if you mentioned Barry Soetorro on your bar exam.

Anonymous says:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

What Obama and my wife have in common
Posted: August 03, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

© 2009

Dear Mr. President:

First, happy birthday. I do hope Aug. 4 is an enjoyable day for you and your family. Coincidentally, I also will be celebrating this week the birth of someone dear to me, my beloved wife, Gena, whose birthday is on Aug. 9.

Speaking of birthdays, I couldn't help but hear and read all over the news last week about the fresh attention to your constitutional eligibility and natural born citizen status. I can hardly believe that individuals are now offering bounty – one for $100,000 – for any personal witness or sufficient evidence to your American birth.

For nearly two years, this debate continues to grow despite all your administration's attempts to diffuse it. And those who are raising concerns aren't just those on the right, but moderate law-abiding citizens like a retired CIA officer who commissioned an investigator to look into the issue.

Still, your press secretary, Robert Gibbs, continues to glibly brush aside the issue by calling it “fictional nonsense.” But, in so doing, he devalues the grievance passage of the First Amendment and insults those who are genuinely concerned and inquisitive by categorizing them all as political quacks. He needs to learn that you can't model tolerance for certain minorities while belittling and quarantining those who don't blindly follow your lead.

Believe it or not, I'm not writing you to challenge whether you were born in America, though I see nothing wrong with the American public voicing that constitutionally based grievance with someone in your esteemed position. As one blogger wrote, after all, “We aren't talking about a 12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here.” Or as Ronald Reagan once said, “Trust but verify.”

Personally, I must admit that I find it a bit of a groundless stretch not to believe in the birth announcements in two major Hawaiian newspapers in August of 1961, in which the Hawaiian Health Department would have been required to post information they received directly from hospitals: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.” Nevertheless, that proof still doesn't answer why you refuse to reveal your original birth certificate and end the growing tides of controversy.

I'm writing you because this is no longer a matter merely about proving a presidential prerequisite in the Constitution. Refusing to post a copy of your original birth certificate is an unwise political and leadership decision that is enabling the birther controversy. The nation you are called to lead is experiencing a growing swell of conspirators who are convinced that you are covering up something. So why not just prove them wrong and shut them up?

(Column continues below)

If the birther movement is truly full of a bunch of conspiracy-fringed kooks or “zombies,” as the Los Angeles Times proclaims, then prove once and for all that you are a naturally born citizen by posting your original birth certificate. And all the controversy will fade away like the pains of childbirth.

I agree with CNN's Lou Dobbs, who was chastised by his own media outlet for demanding the release of your original birth certificate. So why is that such a bad request? We certainly know why CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein thought it was a bad idea: because he previously declared that CNN researchers determined that Obama's 1961 birth certificate no longer existed.

But Hawaii's officials confirmed again last week that they indeed have your original birth certificate on file. Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaiian State Department of Health, repeated her October 2008 statement that she had personally seen with her own eyes the “original vital records.”

Some claim that even you cannot see or request your own personal birth certificate, because Hawai'i's disclosure law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes 338-18) states that “it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part on any such record … “

But the law further states that the Health Department “shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.” (Italics mine)

Isn't categorically satisfying constitutional requirements for a president, or answering the First Amendment grievances of hundreds of thousands of Americans, or ending a national debate or healing a country's divisions enough “direct and tangible interest”?

Mr. President, as more and more people realize that you are refusing to release your original birth certificate, further questions will fuel the fires of debate or at least hinder the embers from ever being snuffed out. Questions like, “Does it really contain the Hawaiian physician's name?” Or “Does it disclose something other than his birth place that he wishes others not to see?”

In fact, last week copies of the 1961 birth certificates from twin girls, who were born a day after you in the same Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, give examples of those typical of the time. They include much more information than certificates today, like the baby's parents' ages, occupations, birthplaces, race, etc., as well as specifics of the medical personnel presiding over the baby's birth and the hospital in which he or she was born.

Of course not every U.S. citizen has access to their original birth certificate, but you do, and that's the only one under debate. As valuable as copies can be, textual critics know that nothing outweighs an original, especially when only it contains the information under question.

So again I ask, why don't you simply request, release and give permission to make public your original birth certificate?

Mr. President, you promised the American people that you are “committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.” In fact, on July 23 in your prime time press conference, you said that your administration was more transparent than those of previous presidencies: “I think that we have provided much greater transparency than existed prior to our administration coming in.”

So again I ask, why not live out that transparency promise by posting your original birth certificate and end the division and debate?

Well, I have a birthday to plan, so I better get going.

Again, happy birthday Mr. President.

Yours truly,