Forged Kenyan Document Splinters ‘Birther’ Movement

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Monday, August 03, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Orly Taitz during an appearance on MSNBC on Monday (YouTube)

Orly Taitz during an appearance on MSNBC on Monday (YouTube)

Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday. “His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.”

Nonetheless, Chessoni spent part of his day fielding inquiries about an image posted at the fringe conservative web site WorldNetDaily–a purported “certified copy of registration of birth” belonging to “Barack Hussein Obama II,” submitted by attorney Orly Taitz in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, part of her undying quest to get a judge to listen to the conspiracy theories about the 44th president of the United States. “I’m forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond,” Taitz told the Website. “I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy.”

Chessoni didn’t understand what Taitz was talking about or what her discovery (the gift of an “anonymous source” who’s “afraid for his life”) was supposed to prove. He showed the image to other embassy employees, who rolled their eyes at what was, for some, only the latest forgery being passed off as an official document from Kenya. “It’s a red herring,” said Chessoni. “Maybe there are not enough facts out there.”

The forged birth certificate, released early on Sunday morning, was quickly picked apart by a growing online community of freelance “birther” debunkers. It was marked as an official February 1964 document from the “Coast Province” of the “Republic of Kenya.” But there was no “Coast Province” in 1964, and Kenya was not yet a Republic. It was off by one year on the age of Barack Obama, Sr. It was signed by “E.F. Lavender,” which happened to be the name of a popular soap in Kenya, and “entered at the District Registry Office” on August 5, 1961, a Saturday when the office would have been closed. Late Monday evening, TWI reported that the certificate had significant similarities to an unrelated Australian birth certificate, which may have been the source of the forgery.

The new focus on a bogus document from an anonymous source has riven the small community of activists who are trying to prove that Barack Obama cannot be president of the United States. The day after the image appeared online, prominent “birther” attorneys and activists worried that Taitz was doing real, irreversible damage to their movement. As she’s become the public face of the “birther cause”–on Monday, MSNBC labeled her a “leader” of the “birther movement”–other figures in the “birther” community are distancing themselves from her work and from this document.

“If this turns out to be a bad document that she’s posted, I think it gives the non-birthers an argument to say: ‘See, these people don’t know what they’re doing,’” said Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney who filed the first “eligibility” lawsuit against Obama one year ago this month. “If this document turns out to be a phony, I wouldn’t be surprised to find that the non-birthers put it out there.”

On Sunday and Monday, the forums at the conservative web site FreeRepublic.com roiled with discussion of Taitz’s new allegations and the forged document. Some prominent “birthers” chimed in to attack Taitz. “Dr. Ron Polarik,” an anonymous “forensic analyst” whose attempts to prove that Obama’s Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth is a forgery has been widely accepted by “birthers”–and even filed as evidence in one of Berg’s lawsuits–accused Taitz of shopping around “another BOGUS BIRTH DOCUMENT.” Jim Robinson, the founder and owner of the site, started his own thread, asking whether the certificate was a fake. On Monday, the site took the unorthodox step of linking directly to the two threads with a sort of disclaimer: “Welcome Visitors! If you’re looking for the Kenyan Birth Certificate story, click here! Or is it a fake?”

“The story broke at a perfect time [early Sunday morning] for people to sit at their computers all day,” laughed Kristinn Taylor, a spokesman for FreeRepublic. Taylor pointed to the combative threads about the “birth certificate” to show that the the conservative site’s readers were treating the story much the way they had treated the September 2004 CBS News story on President George W. Bush’s service in the Texas Air National Guard. A FreeRepublic poster named Harry McDougland, who went by the handle “Buckhead,” did key research on the documents used in the original CBS News report that led producers to admit that they were probably forged, and eventually led to the network retracting the story.

“A lot of people are looking at this with a jaundiced eye, especially in light of what happened five years ago,” said Taylor. “One thing I really hate is people using forged documents to score political points. I didn’t like it in 2004. I didn’t like it when people went after Michelle Obama with that forged room service receipt, saying she had racked up this big bill at the Waldorf-Astoria. I don’t like it when it’s done to anybody.”

Taitz’s find has proven just as controversial with lawyers who’ve worked with her in the past. Gary Kreep, a California attorney who assisted Taitz when she filed her first lawsuits in the state last year, worried that Taitz had jumped the gun. “I’ve advised her in writing, along with several other attorneys, that if she has an original document that seems to bolster her case, it needs to be examined by a professional document examiner,” Kreep told TWI.

Kreep’s concern about Taitz’s “Kenyan birth certificate” came out of his own experience in being offered fishy or fraudulent “smoking gun” documents about Obama’s past. “I’ve gotten tips about birth certificates that are purported to be original, snuck out of Kenya, yadda yadda,” Kreep said. “Then, all of a sudden, the people offering these things disappear into the woodwork. Some people are definitely putting together hoaxes to damage our cause.”

WorldNetDaily has been accused of giving space over to hoaxes in the past. Last year, the site published purported emails between Obama and Kenyan presidential candidate Rail Odinga, allegedly obtained by Jerome Corsi, the author of the Swift Boat Veterans’ 2004 book “Unfit for Command” who went on a fact-finding mission to to the east African nation for WND. The poorly written and unauthenticated emails were promoted on “Fox and Friends,” the Fox News morning show, but sunk without a trace thereafter.

Taitz, who appeared on MSNBC on Monday to promote her find, has attempted to avoid Corsi’s mistakes by shifting the burden of proof for the forged certificate. In her special motion, filed on Monday, Taitz does not claim that her document is authentic, and instead asks for a “subpoena for deposition duces tecum” and “letters rogatory” to force American, Kenyan, and British authorities into releasing their records on Obama. (As Chessoni told TWI, Kenya has no such records.)

“There has never been a constitutional challenge to the identity and eligibility of a sitting President of the United States,” Taitz wrote in her filing, “and so there are no direct precedents regarding this matter, but it is fairly safe to say that the potential consequences and fallout from this present filing being made public will be severe and significant, even though the undersigned counsel makes absolutely no pre-judgment or prediction regarding the actual authenticity of the document of which only a color copy taken by a camera at an odd angle, which is attached herein as Exhibit A.”

Taitz’s stunt has confused and alienated other Obama skeptics. Michael Patrick Leahy, the conservative activist behind Top Conservatives on Twitter (#tcot), wondered why the attorney published the document online instead of verifying the claims herself. “Ms. Taitz is asking a Federal Judge to authorize a fishing expedition for documents pertaining to President Obama’s birth that might exist in the Governmental files of the Republic of Kenya, and she fails to offer any evidence as to the origin of the digital image upon which this request is based?”

The “Kenyan birth certificate” has made skeptics out of people like Leahy and Kreep. Two of Taitz’s original plaintiffs, Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, both associates of Alan Keyes during his presidential campaign, were removed from her latest filing after seeking new representation. But according to G. Dana Hobart, a California attorney who testifies on legal ethics, Taitz may not feel any repercussions in California for introducing a forged and anonymously-obtained document as evidence in a high-profile lawsuit.

“If you have a reasonable belief in the accuracy of the document, you don’t have the frame of mind to be committing defamation,” said Hobart.

“The only value to this kind of crap is that it gets play in the media, it keeps the false ball bouncing, and gives the story more credibility simply by getting it more coverage.”

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MarkSays
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:36 am

To “have a reasonable belief in the accuracy of the document,” Taitz would first have to be reasonable.

Anyone who's seen this shrill loon on television knows that she is completely cuckoo-bananas.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:38 am

Hmmm. The surprising part of this article is that David Weigel appears to have some rather specific familiarity with the conversations taking place in the Freeper comment threads. The article refers to “prominent” bloggers there and discusses the subjects that the freepers are talking about.

Yikes!

I hope Weigel has a research assistant to slog through those comment boards. Not a task I'd endure without protest.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:48 am

Exactly. She doesn't have a reasonable belief in either the objective or subjective sense.

Objectively, it has taken less than 24 hours for the mainstream media (and Karl Rove!) to have noted that the document is forged. None of us would have failed to note “E. F. Lavender” and “Joshua Simon Oduga” (really, where's Rutherford Winston Mutombo?). So there is no realistic chance that the document is authentic.

Subjectively, she is familiar enough with Obama birther litigation to know that there have been forgeries in the past. Berg refers to some of them. So she should have been on inquiry notice to get the document examined. But she chose to file it late at night (electronically, like she did her law schooling) on a Saturday. Then she immediately posted the whole filing AND the image to her website.

That tells any reasonable person that authenticity was not her concern. Media exposure, while avoiding a pesky judge's questions, was.

In Federal court, your signature on a pleading as an attorney indicates that your pleading has been filed in good faith for a proper purpose and that it is based either on existing law or on a good faith belief that existing law should be changed. This is basic law — Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 5 and 11 both cover this and both provide judicial remedies for breaching the rule.

I doubt that Orly's mental state was one where she herself had no indication whether the birth certificate was forged. I'm certain that she knew it was. Otherwise, she'd have to be even stupider than she has been alleged to be. She's not stupid, in the sense that she has a goal and is moving toward it.

Though this be madness, yet there is method in it, as Hamlet's step-dad/uncle Claudius said.

Orly talks over other people when she is being interviewed. She wants to establish her narrative. She is sure to recite her carefully-phrased accusations no matter what the question is. She takes care to blame the media for name-calling and insulting her right before she continues calling factcheck.org and Annenberg names and insulting the media.

She is reaching her audience. Robert Kiyosaki of Rich Dad, Poor Dad fame would recognize that she is crafty. She doesn't need to convince all of us that she is right. She just has to convince a few people to buy her video, or buy her audio file download, or pay her to speak, etc. She will try to cash in on her fame.

That, or the woman's just batshit crazy and hates Obama. But I don't think that's it.

She may be cuckoo-bananas though. You could be right.


A
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:57 am

Template document found online that was basis for Orly's fake Kenyan BC

Full story at politijab.com forum


justobservant
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:13 am

Except … the folds are different…..


matata
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:17 am

There are many ways to become popular but this ain't one of them. Get a life Doctor Taitz


captainsteve
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Fake or not, Obummer is NOT a natural-born citizen. Period. He's a fraud.

I don’t trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media. I still want two answers.

1) Why can't we see his long-form? Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding?

and most disturbingly,

2) Why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there’s a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!


JohnBryansFontane
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:45 am

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/2/7611…


anonymouswoman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:50 am

@Captain Steve
Do you have ANYTHING else to say instead of the SAME junk that you are posting on every website? If not, what makes YOU? A FOOL! The so-called Kenyan birth certificate IS fake 'cause the officals in Kenya does NOT have a birth certificate on President Obama, stating that there was NO child name Barack Husseinn Obama born in Kenya in 1961. Plus, his father (Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.) and his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham were NOT in Kenya in 1961. His father & mother were students at the University of Hawaii, and they got married and had Barack Obama IN THE STATE OF HAWAII in 1961. Also, on the FAKE birth certicate, it stated that Barack Obama, Sr. was 26 years old when his son was born. WRONG! his father was 24 years old! Kenya was STILL a COLONY when Barack, Jr. was born. Kenya OFFICIALLY became a INDEPENDENT nation in December of 1964, meaning that the country was still a British empire. Mombasa was NOT part of Kenya in 1961, either! It was part of Zanzibar. Get it right, CaptainSteve and shut up!


anonymouswoman
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:54 am

Plus, that drag queen name Orly Taitz needs to get a new hairstyle. She's a shyster, who earned a law degree ON LINE!


JohnBryansFontane
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:56 am

Ironic that reacto-wacko Taitz accuses the MSM of being 'brownshirts' when the Kenyan birth certificate is about as genuine as 'The Elders of Zion'.


Eddie
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:00 am

Until Obama produces a certificate stating what hospital he was born, this will never end. There are dozens of monuments to presidential birth site and millions of people engage in genealogy so this controversy is not going to go away anytime soon.


Brewlord
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 am

If these nuts had a time machine, and personally witnessed the birth, they would still claim it was a hoax or only a possible timeline


deepee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:56 am

He has. Some people are too dumb or stubborn to acknowledge it.


btok
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:58 am

Yes, I knew the certificate was a ringer from the first we laid eyes on it! It was created to distract and discredit! Regardless, just because the world consists of hoaxers – this does not make the argument that Barack, Barry Obama may have possibly been born in in Kenya any less relevant!

The old psyop Illuminatti trick of making the water muddy won't work here! The whole point of this is that Birthers' are demanding to see the” actual original legal birth cetificate and track records”, of Barack Hussein Obama, regardless of which country his records come from as called for in compliance with the Constitution of The United States of America as provisions to qualify to be the President of The United States of America! I don't know why it is that Barack won't or can't produce his? If he has lost his Departments of Statistics in all countries of the world usually produce the certificate that backs up their legal files of registrations in that country! I have mine and a baptism certificate as well and it has been around for a while ! Most people I speak with and ask all have one or sure quickly know how to retrieve one from their Federal Government!
What is going on here? Just how stupid does Barack, his Government, Czars and Global Elitist friends think the American citizens are? You know what? I think they are in for a surprise! They have already hung themselves several times within the law of Treason and don't even have the faculty of mind to realize it!


rickahyatt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Are the humiliating Comment-makers and name callers all paid CHICOM Netizens or just paid ACORN activists?
Thank God for Attny. Taitz and her actions to save the US Constitution and the US, itself.
Ever notice: On ALL the search engine searches (Read they've been suppressing pro-birther results) the criticisms of all us “Birthers” is the same as they do in Red China?
There, the government employs a horde of “Netizens” to go to sites to humiliate & denigrate & suppress anti-government talk. They're paid about $.25 per input, I've read.
Just like these apparent ACORN operatives do, they ALWAYS humiliate, denigrate, and use varying terms of “Mental Illness” in volume! Buzzwords like “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,”Tin-hat,” “Conspiratorialist,” etc.
That's what happens to the average Chinese when they type out loud, and the CHICOMs have even more “Mental Health” Prisons as do the Russians.
The apparent wave of the future for us here in Obamaland? Is this why The Great O is building more prisons on military bases?
The CHICOMS have been waging economic and PSYOPS warfare on us a long time, at least since JFK (Oooh.. LISTEN TO THEM HOWL, NOW!). They've apparently continued their terroristic use of Biblical prophesies and Feng Sui (Remember what they did on 6/6/6? On 7/4/6?) by creating as part of The Big 0's Economic Manchurian Candidate grooming and Legend, that he's “Actually the Anti-Christ” (Imagine the desired conquer-and-divide reactions.) That his name, “Barack Obama,” as pronounced, means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew from the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher. The video, actually a good one, can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News. I bet the CHICOMS knew this when they choose his Legend name.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI… is the site.
This creation of a well-groomed “Legend,” part of an overall economic warfare agenda, taking over at the top, is as old espionage craft as is planting ads in prominent Hawaii newspapers, making myth become “The Truth.”
.I lived in Hawaii when they were contemplating that legislation for the COLB's. At first it was touted as being “Generous” for the cheap immigrant Filipino sugar cane workers, because it allowed them access to Hawaii's huge entitlement programs. But when the Legislature found out hat it could potentially let a foreign, hostile, espionage agent in as US President, they RUSHED to pass that bill. HI is half-way to Red China IN EVERY WAY YOU CAN THINK OF. Very asian-based racist, they love to rip off tourists of any color or race, but there is not a school in Hawaii that does not have “Kill Haole Day,” the first day of school, where any Caucasian kid who doesn't want to get beaten stays home.
Hawaii politicians are more corrupt and racist than NJ or Chicago. Call ME a conspiriatoralist? For my own anti-drug work, I was beaten three times. Twice by the Lahaina Mafia, and once by the MPD. You could ask Sen. Inouye about it – He wrote to say it would be investigated.
These people who know not that major criminal and espionage crime are, indeed, CONSPIRING, ought to get off their high horses, and stand among common men such as myself, in the know, and in the craft, for a change, before flinging their verbal spears at others.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:06 am

Nah. Barry Soetoro (and remember, he’s less than half “Black;” even his dad wasn’t all the way Luo tribesman, but quite a bit along the Sand Nazi [Arab] side) hasn’t shown anybody outside his circle of fellow criminals anything resembling the kind of birth certificate – or even a “Certification of Live Birth” – millions of American citizens have to present at the DMV as a matter of course if we want to get or renew a driver’s license.

Y’see, wand-waver, what “evidence” anybody outside of the Obama campaign has of that COLB ostensibly issued to Barry-boy by the state of Hawaii in 2007 (and supposedly used to create those computer graphic images posted on DailyKos and FactCheck and FightTheTruth in June 2008) are not legal documents.

The image of a thing is not the thing itself.

The picture of a hamburger is not lunch.

Your porn photos of naked women coated in olive oil (the only thing “extra virgin” about them) are not the women themselves.

Y’see how this works?

So if that 2007 COLB ever existed (and the whole hand-wave undertaken by the Obama campaign is predicated upon the happy notion that such a legal document did exist and was faithfully – and without alteration – scanned to create those JPG images published online in June last year), then where the fuck IS it?

Why hasn’t that physical document been put into the hands of a judge or other impartial authority for that judge to turn said document over to a panel of trained, experienced, competent forensic evidence examiners who can and will certify under oath as to its validity, provenance, and general “genuineness or non-genuineness”?

This alone would go far toward rendering the question of Barry Soetoro’s place of birth – and therefore much of what is in doubt about his legal qualification to be moving his bowels in a healthy and regular fashion upon the commode just off the Oval Office reserved exclusively for the use of the lawful President of these United States.

Of course, we also need to see the “long-form” birth certificate – or a true and certified image thereof, if the Hawaii state bureaucrats have actually scanned and destroyed the paper records, which they’ve not quite made clear they’d done – in order to determine the content of that archive, which is what that 2007 COLB had been based.

If, indeed, such a COLB had ever been issued by the government of the state of Hawaii to the entity presently operating under the alias of “Barack Hussein Obama II.”

We don’t have to “keep messing around in Africa” to cut Barry’s balls off, kid.

We can do it in Honolulu.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:06 am

Nah. Barry Soetoro (and remember, he’s less than half “Black;” even his dad wasn’t all the way Luo tribesman, but quite a bit along the Sand Nazi [Arab] side) hasn’t shown anybody outside his circle of fellow criminals anything resembling the kind of birth certificate – or even a “Certification of Live Birth” – millions of American citizens have to present at the DMV as a matter of course if we want to get or renew a driver’s license.

Y’see, wand-waver, what “evidence” anybody outside of the Obama campaign has of that COLB ostensibly issued to Barry-boy by the state of Hawaii in 2007 (and supposedly used to create those computer graphic images posted on DailyKos and FactCheck and FightTheTruth in June 2008) are not legal documents.

The image of a thing is not the thing itself.

The picture of a hamburger is not lunch.

Your porn photos of naked women coated in olive oil (the only thing “extra virgin” about them) are not the women themselves.

Y’see how this works?

So if that 2007 COLB ever existed (and the whole hand-wave undertaken by the Obama campaign is predicated upon the happy notion that such a legal document did exist and was faithfully – and without alteration – scanned to create those JPG images published online in June last year), then where the fuck IS it?

Why hasn’t that physical document been put into the hands of a judge or other impartial authority for that judge to turn said document over to a panel of trained, experienced, competent forensic evidence examiners who can and will certify under oath as to its validity, provenance, and general “genuineness or non-genuineness”?

This alone would go far toward rendering the question of Barry Soetoro’s place of birth – and therefore much of what is in doubt about his legal qualification to be moving his bowels in a healthy and regular fashion upon the commode just off the Oval Office reserved exclusively for the use of the lawful President of these United States.

Of course, we also need to see the “long-form” birth certificate – or a true and certified image thereof, if the Hawaii state bureaucrats have actually scanned and destroyed the paper records, which they’ve not quite made clear they’d done – in order to determine the content of that archive, which is what that 2007 COLB had been based.

If, indeed, such a COLB had ever been issued by the government of the state of Hawaii to the entity presently operating under the alias of “Barack Hussein Obama II.”

We don’t have to “keep messing around in Africa” to cut Barry’s balls off, kid.

We can do it in Honolulu.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:15 am

Yeah, don’t that just suck like a Keeno gall stripping the crome off’n a trailer hitch? Hairplug Joe, the Delaware Plagiarist – our very first genuinely brain-damaged President of these United States.

Well, nobody ever said enforcing the U.S. Constitution wasn’t without its costs.

And, no, there wouldn’t be a special election. The federal marshals perp-walk Barry out of the White House in handcuffs and ankle fetters and belly chains while the Secret Service guys look on in dithering confusion and the Marine guards cheer, and because Barry is no longer able to discharge the duties of POTUS, his duly elected back-up takes over and serves out the duration of Mr. Soetoro’s term in office.

The Plagiarist-in-Chief just selects a candidate for the Veep slot (and do not for a Wilmington moment think that he’s gonna select the Woman With One Eyebrow, who would VinceFoster him in a Yale Law School minute if he made that catastrophic mistake), sends it to the Senate for their “advise and consent” bit, and the Senate gets a new presiding officer whose position in civil government is not worth the traditional “bucket of warm spit.”

Ain’t the Constitution wonderful?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:15 am

Yeah, don’t that just suck like a Keeno gall stripping the crome off’n a trailer hitch? Hairplug Joe, the Delaware Plagiarist – our very first genuinely brain-damaged President of these United States.

Well, nobody ever said enforcing the U.S. Constitution wasn’t without its costs.

And, no, there wouldn’t be a special election. The federal marshals perp-walk Barry out of the White House in handcuffs and ankle fetters and belly chains while the Secret Service guys look on in dithering confusion and the Marine guards cheer, and because Barry is no longer able to discharge the duties of POTUS, his duly elected back-up takes over and serves out the duration of Mr. Soetoro’s term in office.

The Plagiarist-in-Chief just selects a candidate for the Veep slot (and do not for a Wilmington moment think that he’s gonna select the Woman With One Eyebrow, who would VinceFoster him in a Yale Law School minute if he made that catastrophic mistake), sends it to the Senate for their “advise and consent” bit, and the Senate gets a new presiding officer whose position in civil government is not worth the traditional “bucket of warm spit.”

Ain’t the Constitution wonderful?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:16 am

“Thank God for Attny. Taitz and her actions to” re-elect President Obama in 2012!


edwardayres
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:18 am

This chick strikes me as just another one of those pathetic people who want to be famous more than anything else and will say or do anything to get it. These Birthers will never go away no matter what proof is produced to document Obama's birthplace so they should be treated the new Lyndon LaRouchers, replacing the whack jobs that supported him for years. It's really pathetic that cynical politicians and other interests who want the power back in Washington will use people who just too angry for words that Obama is President, or just off their rocker. If it wasn't for a shameful handful of politicians who know better giving this story legs the media would have dropped it long ago. I guess Jon leaving Kate just changed lives of Birthers so much they just don't know what else to do.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:20 am

“Birthers' are demanding to see the” actual original legal birth cetificate and track records”, of Barack Hussein Obama, regardless of which country his records come from, as called for in compliance with the Constitution of The United States of America ,as provisions to qualify to be the President of The United States of America!”

Constitution doesn't say anything about a “cetificate” or “track records.” Just says he has to be a natural born citizen and 35 or older. He produced proof that he is both.

The rest of it is just your attempt to use the “old psyop llluminatti trick of making the water muddy.”

Psst! It didn't work. President Obama is still the President.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:22 am

By the way, junior, you may polish up your yarn by presenting plausible explanations for the following:
1) the mother of the child must have been physically present in Kenya during the event, right? So, documents must exist somewhere regarding her travel.

2) In those pre-independence days, it must have been significant event – at least to the racist brits in Kenya. Was there any mention in the papers and the society pages at the coast?

3) Then the question becomes: Why didn’t the birth take place in the capital city of Nairobi where there would be better facilities in that period? Coast?

4) What was Obama Sr doing at the coast?
In fact, you would have a better case if the birth occurred at a district office in Nyanza – close to Obama’s ancestral home!

5) Did any of the Obama family members know about, or witness, the blessed event?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:22 am

By the way, junior, you may polish up your yarn by presenting plausible explanations for the following:
1) the mother of the child must have been physically present in Kenya during the event, right? So, documents must exist somewhere regarding her travel.

2) In those pre-independence days, it must have been significant event – at least to the racist brits in Kenya. Was there any mention in the papers and the society pages at the coast?

3) Then the question becomes: Why didn’t the birth take place in the capital city of Nairobi where there would be better facilities in that period? Coast?

4) What was Obama Sr doing at the coast?
In fact, you would have a better case if the birth occurred at a district office in Nyanza – close to Obama’s ancestral home!

5) Did any of the Obama family members know about, or witness, the blessed event?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:25 am

O captain not my captain!

1. You can't see his long-form because his wife is too prude to let you watch. Trust me when I say that he's black and thus has a long-form that would give you envy at the urinal. Don't pry further. It's unseemly.

2. His supporters want to know the whole truth and then go on to other things when said truth is established. But none of his supporters are stupid enough to accuse the State of Hawaii and about 1,000 people on three continents of being in on a 48 year old conspiracy that benefits no one except Obama.

What's “most disturbing” is the candor with which you admit that you “don't trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media.”

So, by your own definition, who the hell could give you the “two answers” you're so desperately seeking?

Better buy the WND video and send money to SarahPAC. You're in for a long, cold 7.5 years. Then you can make shit up about Hillary Clinton when she's President for 8 years.


kitau
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:25 am

I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya.
I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical.
I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven.
So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964.
The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered.
I stress the word “copy.”
My copy also has republic of Kenya.
So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama's birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered.
The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor.
We are very proud Obama was born here.
We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother.
They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets. Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital in the back ground. It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.
I encourage anyone to come here and visit.
I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted.
God Bless.
Kitau


Dr. Allen
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:26 am

Orly Taitz didn't get caught at all. I am a forensic scientist and I also looked at the document from Australia. It is clearly different when examined by professional means. I also have compared the document she posted to 5 other Kenyan birth certificate copies made about the same time. They match perfectly.
The 1956 remington typewriter type(which is what made the copy of the certificate Taitz put on the net.) cannot be photo shopped and duplicated. It is in my opinion genuine.
I have a bit of credibility in the field as I have been doing this for 31 years.


Citizen Kane
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Can this get any better?

It's fascinating, like watching snake-handking faith-healers or listening to one of Hitler's speeches – there is some tenuous connection to reality, but it is not mesmerizing enough to make a believer out of you after it's all said and done. You come up from the ether pretty quickly.

Still, it's riveting, and like those other two things, something to tell your grandchildren about many years from now.


deepee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:29 am

Except he has. But we'll count on all those brain-dead birthers to keep this phony scandal alive. I never believed I could be so entertained by such inanity but youz guyz are funny!


kitau
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:30 am

DON'T YOU KNOW AUSTRALIA USED SAME FORM AS BRITISH DID IN KENYA. MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS SAME. OF COURSE YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND SEE CERTIFICATE THAT LOOKS SIMILAR. DO DOLLAR BILLS LOOK SIMILAR. YOU BELIEVE PEOPLE AT 2ND RATE NEWS LIKE DAILY KOS AND WASHINGTON INDEPENDENT ANYWAY YOU STUPID.
I LIKE TO SEE CNN OR NBC SAY IT FAKE WITH PROOF OF FORENSICS. ONCE THEY GET FORENSICS TEAM TO ANALYZE YOU EAT YOUR WORDS MAN. CAUSE IT IS REAL. I HAVE MINE AND IT IS THE SAME AS WHAT SHE POSTED. JUST BECAUSE IT LOOK SIMILAR YOU THINK IT A FAKE. YOU STUPID MAN


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:40 am

” ..The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered.”
“I stress the word “copy”.”

And where is the original now?

Suppose we take you up on your “stress”. The document reads “certified copy” yet it is NOT a faithful reproduction of the original – that shows that Kenya was not a ”republic” at the time of the original. That makes your ‘copy’ neither a faithful copy nor ‘certifiable’ as one without disclaimers. Do you comprehend the meaning of the words? You are a fraud, “kitau”.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:40 am

” ..The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered.”
“I stress the word “copy”.”

And where is the original now?

Suppose we take you up on your “stress”. The document reads “certified copy” yet it is NOT a faithful reproduction of the original – that shows that Kenya was not a ”republic” at the time of the original. That makes your ‘copy’ neither a faithful copy nor ‘certifiable’ as one without disclaimers. Do you comprehend the meaning of the words? You are a fraud, “kitau”.


JoAnn Sharp
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:44 am

This is getting beyond silly now.

Some poster on a lefty site now calls Orly Taitz ~ Oily Tits!

Time for the Birth Certificate and Obama's Not a Citizen conspiracys to END.


JoAnn Sharp
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:47 am

Kitau-
Dude or dudette,

you are going off the deep end. Take a breath, take a walk, take a drink…whatever….but please, you've got to stop this nonsense. You are making Republican's look like complete morons.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:49 am

Which is exactly why I want kitau to get up and go find a TV news station or a televised town hall and tell them all this stuff, repeatedly, before singing “Nearer, My God, to Thee” to the assembled crowd.

“The conservative talk show host Michael Medved recently referred to the movement’s leaders as ‘crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters’ who are ‘the worst enemy of the conservative movement.’

‘It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company,’ he mourned.

One of the lead anti-Obama lawyers, Orly Taitz, a California dentist with a degree from an online law school, promptly threatened to sue Medved for defamation.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19450_Page2.html


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:49 am

Which is exactly why I want kitau to get up and go find a TV news station or a televised town hall and tell them all this stuff, repeatedly, before singing “Nearer, My God, to Thee” to the assembled crowd.

“The conservative talk show host Michael Medved recently referred to the movement’s leaders as ‘crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters’ who are ‘the worst enemy of the conservative movement.’

‘It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company,’ he mourned.

One of the lead anti-Obama lawyers, Orly Taitz, a California dentist with a degree from an online law school, promptly threatened to sue Medved for defamation.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19450_Page2.html


steve52
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:50 am

Guess what? I was born in Hawaii, and my birth certificate looks just like Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate.

What more proof do you want?


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CHEN.
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:00 am

Funny I was born in China and I have the same thing as Obama.
My parents brought me here when I was 2 months old. Put announcement in paper so they could say I was born here and not pay immigration fee. All they had to do was just call the paper cause they didn't verify back then. But I can only get colb and not long form which is what the messiah trying to hide. Anyway. My friend born here. He got long form cause hospital verify birth announcement for paper. So it will help if people get educated about this. Obama doesn't hae long form cause he wasn't born here. That is why he can't be Potus.
Even if he born here his dad still not citizen when he born. Both parents have to be.


kitau
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:02 am

OHOH OBAMA COMING HERE TOMORROW TO TRY DESTROY EVIDENCE.

PM depart Andrews Air Force Base en route to Nairobi, Kenya

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/appt/2009appt/august/


steve52
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:06 am

Obama's mother never went to Kenya. Ever.


kitau
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:10 am

YOU SAY OBAMA MOTHER NEVER WENT KENYA. YOU LIAR.!! THERE IS PICTURE OF THEM TOGETHER IN FRONT OF WHAT IS NOW MOMBASA HOSPITAL AT SHRINE WE BUILT. YOU LIAR MAN!!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:17 am

Troop Supporter is on your side, magic3499. Just re-read the post, please. You’ll note the satire.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:17 am

Troop Supporter is on your side, magic3499. Just re-read the post, please. You’ll note the satire.


Dried out now
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:21 am

This is hilarious in the extreme. Sometimes it makes me laugh so hard, I think I am going to throw up.

I love History, and there are a lot of precedents for this type of hysteria in American History – the Free Mason conspiracy, the Zionist conspiracy, the John Birch Society stating that LBJ was a secret Communist agent sent to topple America from the inside, the Skull and Bones Society Consipiracy, etc.

This is so great, I love it!


BigGuy
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:28 am

Wow. It's really weird.

Only the really loony birthers are left.

And they're loonier than ever.


LaLee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:28 am

You said: “I am a forensic scientist and I also looked at the document from Australia.”

No offense but can i see your diploma or forensic science certificate?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:30 am

I notice you curse a lot more as you ask the questions now.

“Where the fuck is it?” Your sanity? Your Depends undergarment?

Fair to say you’re getting upset there, old-timer. You should calm down. Don’t want you to hurt yourself.

I just want you to get madder and madder as you realize your insanity isn’t contagious. Keep asking those questions, wretch.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:30 am

I notice you curse a lot more as you ask the questions now.

“Where the fuck is it?” Your sanity? Your Depends undergarment?

Fair to say you’re getting upset there, old-timer. You should calm down. Don’t want you to hurt yourself.

I just want you to get madder and madder as you realize your insanity isn’t contagious. Keep asking those questions, wretch.


TroopSupporter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:30 am

You know what would have been nice? If this article had mentioned that the bither argument WAS TOTALLY DEBUNKED A YEAR AGO.

Aside from the actual birth cert seen on factcheck.org, there was a birth announcement in EVERY PAPER IN HONOLULU.

Doy you think that Obama went and forged every microfiche in America??

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…


TroopSupporter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:32 am

Why won't he produce the original documents? What does he have to hide??

Ad infinitum…


TroopSupporter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:33 am

troll fail is fail


LaLee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:35 am

No offense, but i think it would be better if you are as skeptical of this “Kenyan BC” as the “birth certificate conspiracy” theorists are of Obama's BC.


TroopSupporter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:35 am

“I don't know why it is that Barack won't or can't produce his?”

HE HAS

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

But of course, this isn't enough…


TroopSupporter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:37 am

Yes, they'd claim that their time machine must have been stolen in the future and sent back to fool them but it wont work because WHY WON'T HE JUST ADMIT THE TRUTH


rickahyatt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:42 am

I thank you graciously for proving my very point – Yet again. Oh, if you want your copper, fish for it out of the local store penny cup.
And it won't be any reelection in '12 – The Big 0's Waterloo is already underway, and we'll just have to have a Special Election to go along with all the Congresspeople who will soon be resigning en mass as Gary Condit's “Sexual Political Embarrassment Disposal Service” for 33 years for the high ranking corrupt (Pelosi was his only yes vote when they kicked him out) and if you must know it all, go to http://www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com
Thanks, again!


magic3499
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:48 am

Take your lying Kenyan a$$ back to Kenya…if you are really Kenya (must be Karl Rove)


magic3499
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:56 am

I got your acorn…right here, open wide.


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magic3499
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:58 am

I got your Illuminatti trick…right here, bend over


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:04 am

Nah. With spectacular exceptions (Dr. Taitz, Bog bless her, really ought to stick with her dental practice), the leading “birthers” spotted the fabrication and pshaw'd it briskly right out of the gate.

Nice distraction for the Obamaphiles, and we're right back to:

“Where's the birth certificate, you lying lawyer piece of shit?”

and, of course:

What's that slimy sonofabitch HIDING, anyway?


magic3499
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:05 am

WHY WON'T HE JUST ADMIT THE TRUTH

You crazy fool, he already did, so did the entire State of Hawaii. Since when did you peckerwoods give a rat a$$ about Kenya…f-ing leeches. Now you want something from them, you want them to nullify a Black President for your own cause, take your racist a$$ back to Alabama…keep messing around in Africa and you will get your balls cut off.
That goes for that crazy b it ch, too.


Peter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:06 am

That is the most hilarious BS I have seen posted yet, Dr. Allen!
How do the 1956 Remington typewriter and your head both fit up your butt?


Peter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:08 am

You built the shrine? How much did you get paid per hour?


magic3499
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:08 am

He ain't gotta show you racist MFers s hit, F U.

U want to see ti, take your b it ch a$$ to Hawaii and go look at it.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:10 am

Nah. And even if that piece of paper the worshipful J-school jerkwads at the Annenberg Foundation's FactCheck office in June 2008 (didja know that Barry hisself used to draw paychecks off an Annenberg Foundation bank account?) was a real, live, print-on-paper, signed and sealed Certification of Live Birth issued to him by the state of Hawaii in 2007, where the fuck is it now, you asshole?

I mean, the contention is that those computer graphic images made in June 2008 were of a real legal document. So why hasn't that legal document – which is supposed to exist – been put in front of a judge for tender to a panel of competent forensic documents examiners qualified to attest under oath as to its “genuineness or non-genuineness,” hm?

Again and again and again, we ask the humble, meek little protestation: “What the fuck is this lying sonofabitch HIDING, anyway?

Just doing our duty as citizens to make sure that every little bit of the U.S. Constitution is being obeyed by our “public servants.”

As for Barry having “forged every microfiche in America”….

Aw, c'mon. Would you put it past him? This is a Cook County politician we're talking about. They're trained to steal hot stoves while you're cooking on 'em.


Chen's Mom
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:11 am

Chen!!! Clean up those Cheeto crumbs and go to bed!
Chen lie to you long time!


magic3499
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:12 am

Shut your dumb a$$ up you f-ing k k k reject, he's now showing U s hit, F U and all your,
crazy, insane, stupid MF-ing racist friends.

We are sick of you MFers.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:13 am

What, you don’t like honorable Anglo-Saxonisms? The Germanic roots of the American language beyond your Grecolatinate lawyerly persnicketiness?

Well, fuck you, counselor.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:13 am

What, you don’t like honorable Anglo-Saxonisms? The Germanic roots of the American language beyond your Grecolatinate lawyerly persnicketiness?

Well, fuck you, counselor.


magic3499
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:18 am

No they did not you lying a$$ bag of rice, you are not even from China, you're a fat a$$ southern redneck racist with nothing but time on your hands, go get a F-ing life.


AmazingKata
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:19 am

Orally Taintz submitted this to a U.S. Court? No wonder she's in Tel Aviv, she's probably hiding out.. disbarment is the least of her worries at this point.


magic3499
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:22 am

Well, don't that beat all, 3 a$$ holes from 3 different countries all with a birth cert. that looks like the fake one from Kenya. WTF…

Plus a fake person from China that had the exact same fake newspaper insert…WTF AGAIN!

DO YOU MFers THINK WE ARE F-ING STUPID..


abc
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:24 am

We all know you aren't really from Kenya. You're an American birther pretending to be Kenyan because you think it will give you credibility. Give it up.


magic3499
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:25 am

You F-ing idiot, you don't know how to even spell Dr.

IT'S A FAKE!!! A$$ HOLE!


peterwolf
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:26 am

kitau,

Perhaps you meant to type the MM Shah Primary School? Of course, you either mistyped this or perhaps simlply copied and pasted the same there as well. I know we shouldn't dwell on the subject of Kenya and it being a republic, but any intelligent person can find out that Kenya did not in fact become a republic until the end of 64, not early 64 as the BC is dated.

As to forensic auditing of the certificate, my what a crock that is. For forensic auditing, you would need the actual copy, not simply a picture of it. Any forensic auditor who tells you otherwise is no such thing. More likely your auditor is another Freeper troll.

Honestly, you over estimate your own abilities to produce an even remotely credible troll.


abc
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:29 am

I think TroopSupporter was joking there, magic.


magic3499
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:33 am

WTF…some eastern bloc ex F-ing commie b it ch comes here to tell us she doesn't like our President.

Republicans, don't you get it, It's a commie plot you stupid MFers. No, your own racist tendencies
are getting in the way…bunch of F-ing idiots.


abc
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:36 am

You realize that even if Obama was found to be ineligible (which he won't be, because he is eligible), there wouldn't be a special election. Joe Biden would become president.


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:37 am

Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday. “His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.”
=============================
easy, Watson. just produce the proof that he is american.
why is that so hard for obama and his camp to comprehend?
if Kenyan embassy inundated with requests why cant they simply get an official request filled from the State of Hawaii that shows beyond a doubt where obama was born?

address given by obama's mother where they resided at time of his birth turned out to be the home of at the time and first year of obama's birth. the residents at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway – the alleged address of Obama's parents when he was born – were Orland S. and Thelma S. (Young) Lefforge. the neighbor who resided there at the time of obama's birth and who still lives in the same house said no one fitting obama's parents description EVER lived at that residence and she feels sure they didnt even live in the neighborhood.

nothing obama has offered is adding up and factcheck which EMPLOYED both obama and william ayers is the ONLY company willing to verify that the certificate is real? isnt that suspicious?

and they wonder why so many questions? because there are no answers that add up.


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:40 am

publication in a newspaper of a birth is not PROOF OF BIRTH.
OBAMA'S mother herself has gone by three different names
that we know of so attempting to fool the authorities intentionally
would not be a stretch for her, imo.

New discovery shows without a doubt, that Stanley A. Dunham is also Kelly A. Dunham and Patricia A. Dunham. Patrcia A. Dunham.


peterwolf
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:40 am

kitau is a serial troll, try searching google for “mombasa hospital shrine” or “kitau obama” and see what you get.

Sigh. If kitau really is a birther, I think it explains why they are regarded as being a few sandwiches short of a picnic.


FreeBilly
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:43 am

Can this possibly get any better?

I guess if Sarah Palin launched a “full and impartial investigation”, that would be better.

You know, sort of like O.J. vowing to “never rest until he finds the real killer”?

Or maybe if Katharine Harris could weigh in on it, that would probably be pretty good.

I mean, I guess it could get better, but this is pretty freakin' good.


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:44 am

factcheck is the former employer of both BARAK OBAMA AND WILLIAM AYERS.
there is no other company willing to sign off on the authenticity of obama's cyperspace
birth certificate? by the way hasnt this certificate he displays on the web has been changed
three times that we can document? that is puzzling and disturbing.

no matter how fond you might be of obama the truth is all that matters in the end and so
far things are not adding up, not even close. something is giantically wrong here.


abc
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:46 am

This.


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:50 am

i concede.
pretty good.
and it seems obama has a huge amount of people totally fooled.
some afraid to say outright that something is wrong, so they
cowardly say, “well i believe he was born here, but he needs to
show the certificate and put it to rest.”

amazing.
has a bigger hoax ever been played on the american public?
a president REFUSES to prove where he was born and very few have the guts to callenge him on it.

every case dismissed was done so on the basis of the other party NOT HAVING STANDARD and obama's lawyers hiding behind the sentence, “no one was hurt as a result of him not producing his certificate.”

JUST UNBELIEVABLE… A NOVEL COULDNT BE ANY BETTER.
cant wait to hear how all of those defending him will have to say when the certificate is finally viewed. born here or not, something is on there that is a total lie other than what obama has been saying? why else would you pay almost a million dollars to lawyers to keep your birth certificate out of the public domain AFTER YOU published a copy of sorts on the web for the world to see? so that cyperspace copy cant morph into a physical hardcopy?


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:59 am

Aside from the actual birth cert seen on factcheck.org, there was a birth announcement in EVERY PAPER IN HONOLULU.
============
“seen on factcheck.org…..”
DO YOU BELIEVE IN PHOTOSHOP?

“announcement in every paper in honolulu….”
all that takes is someone walking into the health department or newspaper and STATING that a child was born.

by the way, the announcement is a twoliner…. that a son was borth to mr. and mrs. barack h. hussein, a son… nothing else. go figure.

no hospital…. address turns out to be a phony….. date on the certificate turns out to be AFTER the number given to twin girls born after obama/

Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
********** OBAMA'S ONLINE IMAGE bears the number No. 151 – 1961 – 10641 *************

(another inconsistency) why is that???


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FreeBilly
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:03 am

Ronald Reagan must be shifting in his grave.

This is what the Republican Party has been reduced to – wild conspiracy theorists, religious zealots, cranky old men, rambling and barely cogent ex-beauty queens, people consumed with nostalgia for a almost-all-white America, anti-intellectuals, etc. etc.

The death of a once-great political party by it's own hand.

The Republican Party is commiting suicide right before our eyes…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:23 am

The answer is still no, no matter how sweetly you ask, you miserable rotting wretch.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:23 am

The answer is still no, no matter how sweetly you ask, you miserable rotting wretch.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:29 am

Tsk. Absolute literal mindedness. Yet another sign of the poor putz’s psychosis.

Little stevie, I know there’s no one for you but your Mombasa Messiah Hasn’t the White House gotten back to you yet on your application for a post as an intern so you can break in those knee pads you so hopefully purchased?

Ah, lawyers in love.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:29 am

Tsk. Absolute literal mindedness. Yet another sign of the poor putz’s psychosis.

Little stevie, I know there’s no one for you but your Mombasa Messiah Hasn’t the White House gotten back to you yet on your application for a post as an intern so you can break in those knee pads you so hopefully purchased?

Ah, lawyers in love.


LaLee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:43 am

You asked: “DO YOU BELIEVE IN PHOTOSHOP?”

Do you have PROOF that the BC on FactCheck is photo shopped?

“all that takes is someone walking into the health department or newspaper and STATING that a child was born.”

Uh no, the announcement is based on HOSPITAL RECORDS.

If that “someone” has no hospital records to based hi/her claim then the newspaper would not put up announcement.

Unless of course you have evidence to the contrary, do you have any evidence?


LaLee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:48 am

You said: “easy, Watson. just produce the proof that he is american.”

Uh, the burden of proof is on the ACCUSER.

Obama is the one accused so he doesn't need to prove anything.

Why is it so hard for “Birth Certificate Conspiracy” theorist to acknowledge?



Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:22 am

YOUTUBE.com has a step-by-step instruction as to how to get the exact thing you see on the website, including the right green color etc.

the announcement IS NOT – repeat, THE ANNOUNCEMENT IS NOT BASED on hospital records. If you call that paper today they will tell you they still do as they have done in the past and that is get their information from the Health department or from the individual.

anyone can make an affidavit and say to the health department that their child was born in hawaii on a certain date and receive the certificate such as obama is displaying which is WHY there is such a lound call for him to produce the certificate that VERIFIES where he was born.

many people really do not understand the difference hence their response when others ask for obama to prove where he was born. Many journalists dont even understand the difference, but there is a difference.



Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:25 am

Kenya became independent in Dec. 1963
it remained a part of the British Commonwealth in 1964
but it was already a republic in transition when the certificate
was requested in february, '64?

this is no more than a technicality.
but from what i understand this lawyer might have already done
carbon dating despite not making a statement on it? i do not know htat for sure
but iwould not be at all surprised.

what i do know is there is more to show obama is not a u.s. born citizen than there is to
prove that he is.



Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:32 am

its interesting to see the reference to Odinga with regard to emails (i have no knowledge of them) while not mentioning a word that ODINGA is the one attempting to bring Sharia Law to Kenya and that obama donated according to some reports, a million dollars to his campaign.

we do know obama campaigned for this odinga in 2007 because there are video and pictures with them campaigning together in Kenya. obama KNEW this man supports sharia Law so does this mean obama also approves of sharia law, especially if it is introduced here?


btok
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:38 am

I may have made a mistake but I do believe one has to be a natural born citizen inside the United States of America or it's Territories and or one of your parents has to be a citizen of the USA! Which would make Obama because of his mother a dual citizen of Kenya and the USA would it not?


cfukara
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:45 am

“Kitau”. :-)

Your name is curious. Do you want to write it as “Gitau”?

Let us verify your twaddle. “MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya”? OK, where in Kenya?
And shouldn't primary school teachers in Kenya write better English?

” … was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964.” Which registry office? Please help us verify this. Did the districts in Kenya have “District Registry Office”s in Kenya in 1959 – 1964 period? What is the name of that district? And in what province?

Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital ion the background”
Fortunately in our world now it is a simple matter for you tom post that picture. Where is it?
And were outdoor pictures readily accessible to locals in Mombasa 1961?
O, why am I wasting my time with this idiot!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:53 am

Obama is a natural born citizen by virtue of having been born in Hawai'i.

That is all that's necessary. There is no further requirement that one of your parents be a citizen. If you are born here, that's enough. That has always been the rule.

There have been various rules for children born abroad of one U.S. citizen and one alien. But that's a different situation and not relevant to Obama.

Obama's natural born U.S. citizenship was not affected by his childhood dual citizenship with Kenya. You cannot lose your U.S. citizenship without formally renouncing it, and you cannot do THAT until you reach the age of majority.

By Kenyan law, Obama lost his Kenyan citizenship when he turned 21. He did not formally renounce his U.S. citizenship and swear allegiance to Kenya, so the government of Kenya took away his citizenship when he reached the age of majority.


cfukara
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:55 am

One more thing: Copies of official documents in Kenya – even in those days – are clearly marked as COPIES – quite distinctly – with no effort made for them to be mistaken for the real thing.
[Lets see: Can you tell us if Mombasa was part of the "Republic of Kenya" in 1959-1964 period?]


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:57 am

The “reference to emails,” let's not forget, is in fact a reference to FORGED emails that purport to be between Obama and Odinga.

Given that background, why is it even necessary to say that because one man believes one thing, anyone who campaigns with him must also believe that?

That's a silly proposition even when you're talking about people in the same political party in the same country. It becomes absurd when you are talking about two people across oceans.

If you want to speculate about whether Obama approves of sharia law, I'm sure there are threads on websites where you can do that more profitably than here. I suggest freerepublic or townhall.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:02 am

No. Regardless of whether it was a “republic in transition” as you claim, the fact is that Kenyan documents at that time referred to it as “the Dominion of Kenya” not the “Republic.” It was then a British dominion, after all.

Not a technicality. A flaw in a forged document.

Unlike, say, taking G.F. Lavender on an Australian birth document and replacing it with E.F. Lavender on the forged Kenyan document, because it's funny that by changing one letter you get a detergent that is popular in Kenya. See, that's not a flaw. That's a planted error that is supposed to clue you in to the fact that you're looking at a forgery.

So the question becomes not “is this a forgery” but instead “who forged this, and why?”

You say “there is more to show [President Barack Hussein O]bama is not a u.s. born citizen than there is to prove that he is.”

Interesting. That's a bold statement considering there is as yet not one iota of proof that President Obama was born anywhere other than Honolulu, Hawai'i.

You keep on posting what you want though. It's a free country. Even with a black guy in charge. Your rights are not under assault. Your senses, maybe.


abc
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:03 am

You need to get out of your mother's basement more, man.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:12 am

Your post is full of lies and distortions.

Whether a photoshopped document can appear online is irrelevant. The COLB in hard copy was inspected by factcheck.org's journalists. State officials have attested to the COLB's authenticity. Republican Governor Linda Lingle has flatly asserted that the document is authentic.

So you have to show that those people are lying, not that an online document could be faked. Those people say they handled the paper document and it is real.

You cannot get an announcement in the paper by stating that a child was born. This website, TWI, has posted articles explaining that the paper gets the birth information straight from the Dept. of Vital Statistics. In other words, they don't just take your word for it.

The twoliner tells you all you need to know. Who the hell reading the paper needs to know anything beyond Mr. and Mrs. had a son or daughter? You don't need to read about which hospital it occurred at or which doctor delivered the kid.

The address is not a phony. The date on the certificate is not what you mean. You mean the certificate number. There is no reason why there has to be a conspiracy in the number sequence. Hospitals were given sets of blank birth certificates. Sometimes the numbers got processed out of sequence.

Think of your checkbook. If it's just you using just one checkbook, the checks will be written in sequence. Not necessarily cleared by the bank in sequence, but written in sequence.

But if you give your wife a checkbook on the same account, and your son one, and your daughter one, and you keep using yours, then different numbered checks will be written and processed out of sequence.

Hospitals each had a checkbook, er, set of birth certificates.

But you know what, you'll just keep inventing more silly questions about non-existent evidence that you hope will distract people from the mounds of evidence that point to the fact that Obama was born in Hawai'i.

Speculation, suspicion, and questions are not evidence.

They're the classic sign of the sore loser who cannot accept losing an election to a black guy.

Good luck with that. You're going to be really disappointed in 2012, when he gets re-elected.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:18 am

No. You're lying.

The announcement is indeed based on hospital records.

Parents and relatives don’t, and didn’t, get to place birth announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. As a Star-Bulletin employee explained to WorldNetDaily, the editors “print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System,” and did so in 1961. And the Advertiser worked the same way.

Unsurprisingly, WorldNetDaily used that information to argue that the state could have had bogus information that it passed on to the newspaper, which is absurd on its face. But it really should be enough to debunk this “Obama’s grandparents lied to win a future custody suit” theory.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/52625/mythbust…

No. Anyone cannot make an affidavit and tell the health department their child was born in Hawai'i. You are deliberately conflating separate laws. The one you are describing ONLY applies to children who are more than a year old but don't have a birth certificate. Obama's COLB reflects that it was processed 4 days after he was born. Not a year. Nice try.

I understand the difference just fine. One side is telling the truth, and the other side is full of lying desperate racist xenophobes hiding behind a conspiracy theory whose wheels are coming off in comical fashion.


TroopSupporter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:20 am

“I mean, the contention is that those computer graphic images made in June 2008 were of a real legal document. So why hasn't that legal document – which is supposed to exist – been put in front of a judge for tender to a panel of competent forensic documents examiners qualified to attest under oath as to its “genuineness or non-genuineness,” hm?”

Why would it?

The congress unanimously accepted the electoral college vote. Unanimously! That was the time for legal challenges to Obama's birthplace.

factcheck.org is non-partisan. They debunk myths on the left and right. They looked at the birth certificate.

And more importantly: what if some judge or panle or tribunal DID look at it and say it was A-OK? Would that stop you? Of course not. You'd claim that expert was a democrat/shill/fatcat etc etc. There is NO proof that will satisfy you. I could put his Hawaii birth certificate IN YOUR HANDS and you'd claim I brainwashed yuo into reading letters that weren't there.

I mean, if I asked you to prove your citizenship, but every time you handed me a document I just rolled my eyes and claimed it was fake, what would you do? Would you keep trying to placate me? Or would you just say, “forget it, there's no pleasing this guy, his mind's made up.” If every time you answered, I insisted on more, and every time you refused, I asked, “What the fuck is this lying sonofabitch HIDING, anyway?” wouldn't you get frustrated?

Come on, dude. Seriously. It's over. Support out troops, support our commander in chief. There's a war on!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:26 am

“a president REFUSES to prove where he was born”

Hogwash.

Non-birthers would stop calling names if you bastards would stop lying.

The man proved his birthplace by posting a birth certificate online a year ago.

The state has authenticated it. Wall Street Journal, National Review, World Net Daily, and factcheck.org have all debunked the birther movement thoroughly and conclusively. Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly, not to mention Michael Steele and John Boehner, are on record saying the birthers are wrong Obama is eligible to serve.

That you deliberately avoid acknowledging that fact, and instead continue this mindless chant of “show us the birth certificate” is annoying and disrespectful. It is insulting to our intelligence and to our time. None of us minds honest debate about actual issues. But to pretend the man has not proven his birthplace is, flatly, disingenuous and insulting to our entire system of laws. You're slandering countless officials and journalists, not to mention the President, without a shred of proof or evidence to support you.

I've posted several times about the lie concerning some vast sum of money Obama is spending to defend himself. I should bookmark the damned Politico article by now. Just look here:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19450…

If you walk into a room full of people and set out to piss them off, you're likely to get called names on your way out of the room.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:27 am

Nah. Darlin', the burden of proof can never be on the person advancing the negative proposition, to wit:

“That lying Cook County machine politician and ACORN 'poverty pimp' WAS NOT born in these United States and therefore is NOT qualified to have run even in the National Socialist (ex-”Democrat”) Party primaries last year!”

…but rather upon those voicing the positive proposition, like so:

“That third-generation socialist 'red diaper baby' Alinsky disciple and consorter-with-known-felons really IS qualified to have run for POTUS and get elected 'cause he was born in the state of [FILL IN THE BLANK}, so there!”

(( Incidentally, you can't fill in the blank with “Kenya, the 57th state.” Barry tried that already, and it was a no-go. ))

All this effort to teach you the usages of logical discourse, LaLee, and you remain still as the beasts that perish, don'tcha?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:31 am

That “former employer” is the Annenberg Foundation. Annenberg was Reagan's close friend and Reagan's ambassador to Great Britain. Also exceedingly wealthy and philanthropic. He gave $110 million to my university. Not a commie Muslim usurper trainer. A Republican who was very well respected and had many powerfully connected people on his foundations' boards of directors.

“there is no other company willing to sign off on the authenticity of obama's cyperspace
birth certificate?”

Aside from:

the State of Hawai'i and its Republican Governor, Linda Lingle;

the U.S. House of Representatives, by unanimous vote;

the Wall Street Journal;

the National Review Online;

World Net Daily;

Bill O'Reilly;

Ann Coulter;

Michael Steele;

John Boehner;

and every single independent or left-wing media source in America, yeah, you're right. It's just factcheck.org out there on a lonely island.

No, the birth certificate Obama put up has not been changed BY HIM at all. You can change it as many times as you like; you can print out a copy and write “Didn't Win the Presidency” on it in big red crayon if you want to.

Might make you feel better.


TroopSupporter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:34 am

Well, dude, that's the thing. You keep asking why Obama won't produce the documents. Then he does. Then you yell PHOTOSHOP! FAKE! OMG!

What proof would satisfy you? If a judge looked at the birth certificate and said it was genuine? Of course that wouldn't satisfy you. You'd say he was lying, part of the cover-up.

And that, of course, is the point of all this. It's a never-ending persecution. Think about how frustrating it would be if I asked you to prove you were a US citizen. And you provided your drivers license, which I laughed off as easy to fake. You provided your social security card, and I sent you a link to a website that shows how easy it is to get a fake one. You presented a birth certificate from 1961, and I easily proved that ANY document from 1961 can be faked with 2009 technology. What would you do? What if I started an internet campaign to deport you?

HOW COULD YOU PROVE ME WRONG?

The point is that it's impossible. You either believe that the document that factcheck.org posted (a non-partisan group; here's a link to an anti-Obama article http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/making-ends-meet/ ) is real, or you don't. But don't ask for more proof. That's all the proof.

Also: McCain was born in Panama. Not a secret.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:35 am

Wow. So if you get married and change your name, does that mean you're about to go on a worldwide crime spree?

Interesting. You should work for the criminal profilers at the FBI.

Here's a hint though: you won't last long if you just keep saying “the criminal's prolly a black dude!”


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:37 am

Stephen, to suggest that Obama “lost” Kenyan citizenship is to imply that he had it in the first place, which is nowhere near being established. It may be true that Kenyan law as of 1963, the year Kenya became independent (and two years after Obama was born), granted citizenship rights to children of native-born Kenyans no matter where they were born. But having a citizenship right is not the same thing as having citizenship. There is no evidence that baby Obama or his American mother who raised him or his American grandparents who also raised him ever applied to the Kenyan government for documents to show that he was exercising his right to citizenship. I have never seen evidence that he held a Kenyan passport at any time during his life.

The same is of course true of claims that he was a dual US-British citizen, since Kenya was actually a British colony in 1961.

If the country of Djibouti declared that any person born in Hawaii in 1961 with a Kenyan parent was hereby also a citizen of Djibouti, would that render Obama a triple citizen? The state of British or Kenyan citizenship law is totally irrelevant to the citizenship status of any American, in 1961 or 2009. What's relevant is what action the American takes that impacts his immigration and/or national identity status under the laws of the United States.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:38 am

“easy, Watson. just produce the proof that he is american.”

Leaving aside the burden of proof for the moment, just consider the reality of the situation.

President Obama proved he is American. He posted his birth certificate online.

You would have to say it is forged if you want to get around that fact establishing his eligibility to serve.

And if you would say that it is forged, nothing stops you from saying the next one he produces is forged, as well.

See why he doesn't show you birthers anything else?

Reasonable people have seen enough. But for you, there would never be enough evidence. Your goal is to harass and hound the man out of office or paralyze his time spent in office. Everyone can see that.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:40 am

You keep lying about the burden of proof, Tuci.

You keep making up an absurd proposition and then saying non-birthers have to prove it.

Obama put out a COLB. If you say it's fake, prove it. He doesn't have to do anything, even put out the COLB to begin with.

It's fun to watch you squirm and dodge to get away from that. Are you gnashing your teeth, as well?

Reality is painful for you to deal with. We know that. Or else you wouldn't be a birther in the first place.

You're recycling all your lines. Beasts that perish is wearing thin.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:42 am

The birth certificate is online.

It's known popularly as the COLB.

Way to undermine your credibility as you whine about ad hominem attacks, test-taker.

Nice to see how well you've taken the latest humiliation for the birthers.

Pathetic.


TroopSupporter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:44 am

The most damning part of the forgery is that Obama's alleged birthplace was NOT IN KENYA at the time of his birth. Epic fail.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:44 am

Someone needs to dig up Katherine Harris and see what she thinks about all this. I think she'd make a great spokesperson for the birther movement.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:44 am

Hear fucking hear.

Unfortunately, Tuci will never heed reason.

That is what makes him annoying as fuck, but it's also fun to wind him up and watch him go.

That's why I tell him about the COLB being the birth certificate. He can be relied upon to whine about j-school jerkwads at factcheck and how Annenberg, Reagan's British Ambassador and an insanely rich man, was somehow in the thrall of poverty pimps.

Endlessly fascinating to watch the stream of bullshit spew out from that man's mind.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:48 am

I have to confess that I find the whole birther thing wildly entertaining.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:53 am

I was trying to make the point you raise in your last paragraph, Neil.

I don't know of any proof that he had dual citizenship, but even assuming arguendo that he did, it would have been wiped out automatically and it would not affect his natural born U.S. citizen status.

Thanks for making it more explicit.


neilends
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:54 am

Your parents must be retarded, because the US government has never looked at birth announcements in newspapers as proof of citizenship. What it looks at is a person's birth certificate.

How did your parents smuggle you into the country as a 2-month old baby anyway? They would have had to forge your own immigration papers and Chinese passport if you went through a legal port of entry. Or are you alleging that your parents snuck you across the Mexican border without even being detected, so the US government never even knew you existed?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:55 am

“but from what i understand this lawyer might have already done carbon dating despite not making a statement on it? i do not know htat for sure but iwould not be at all surprised”

If Orly Taitz even BELIEVES in carbon-dating, I would be surprised. I bet she thinks Obama's dad hunted dinosaurs in Kenya (with a spear, of course) and the Earth is a day older than the Pyramids of Egypt.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:02 am

Well, if “The Republican Party is committing suicide right before our eyes,” then in the words of Mencken, “I’d be delighted to load the pistols, hone the knives, and tie the hangman’s knots.”

Let them die and be damned to them.

Ever read “The Republican Charade: Lincoln and His Party” by historian Clyde Wilson, Bill? Let me pull a quote:

Apparently millions continue to harbor the strange delusion that the Republican party is the party of free enterprise, and, at least since the New Deal, the party of conservatism. In fact, the party is and always has been the party of state capitalism. That, along with the powers and perks it provides its leaders, is the whole reason for its creation and continued existence. By state capitalism I mean a regime of highly concentrated private ownership, subsidized and protected by government. The Republican party has never, ever opposed any government interference in the free market or any government expenditure except those that might favour labour unions or threaten Big Business. Consider that for a long time it was the party of high tariffs – when high tariffs benefited Northern big capital and oppressed the South and most of the population. Now it is the party of so-called “free trade” – because that is the policy that benefits Northern big capital, whatever it might cost the rest of us. In succession, Republicans presented opposite policies idealistically as good for America, while carefully avoiding discussion of exactly who it was good for.

(( Emphasis added. ))

The sooner the Republican Party is expunged – or, more properly formally rolled into its fellow faction of the big, bipartisan, permanently incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party (what, you actually thought they were giving you a real choice when you walked into that voting booth?) – the better.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:09 am

I find it entertaining because of the zany twists and turns in the wacky plot, sure.

But it's also fascinating because I don't often get to see these folks up close.

It's like going into the woods, finding a big boulder, and turning it over. All sorts of bugs and critters scurry toward sheltering darkness, but you get to watch them run.

Well, here, the birther movement has been like turning over a big rock but the bugs and vermin don't run away. They sit there blinking stupidly at you as you poke and prod them and they tell you about British Naturalization Acts, Mrs. Nordyke, and j-school jerkwads at factcheck.org.

I think the birther thing will be historically important as evidence of American racism in the 21st century. The movement, after all, is nothing more than a racist refusal to accept that a black man legitimately won enough votes to be the President.

These people cannot accept that, and so they cling to anything, literally anything, even a Kenyan birf sirtifikat presented by Orly Taitz, to avoid facing reality.

In a few decades, this will all be understood in context. As it evolves, though, we are seeing how a segment of America is reacting to a black President. It's not pretty. These people will slander Republican officials and say horrible things about people they have never met, all to further their bigoted cause.

But yes, you're right. Damned funny, riveting stuff. Like seeing GOP representatives literally sprinting up the Capitol steps to avoid answering questions about birthers. Or Crazy Eileen with her ziplock-bagged birth certificate.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:15 am

Little stevie, what is a “lie” and what is “truth” in your Through-the-Looking-Glass lawyerland is not what exists in the real world. This is (let me give you a hint) why people of your profession are almost reflexively hated more thoroughly than convicted child molesters and people who rape 77-year-old women in their nursing home beds.

Burden of proof is a concept that works in the reasoning and disputes of non-lawyers (and obviously non-Obamaphiles) to approach the factual reality of the world beyond the scope of your proceduralisms, and though I know that to a lawyer, nothing in the real world is ratified until it has undergone the full Kabuki theater ritual of your profession's solemn witch-doctoring, you are still a member of a narrow minority.

And the Obamaphile part of your qualification appears to be shrinking rapidly even as the number of lawyers “sent to eat out our substance” increases. The August Congressional recesses – bringing Barry's accomplices in the legislature face-to-face with enraged mobs of their constituents – is going to work a certain magic on the political confidence of the National Socialist Party even though the drive-by media are doing everything they can to hush it up.

Inasmuch as you and your co-religionists are the ones doing the squirming, stevie, striving to evade acknowledging that it is incumbent upon Barry Soetoro to provide that proof positive which can render this “birther” controversy res adjudicata, and it's obvious that your Preparation H really isn't doing you any good –

(( look in CraigsList under “colorectal surgeon;” they don't like to advertise themselves as “proctologists” these days ))

- I'm going to take pity on you and leave off the insults.

Not that you don't wonderfully deserve them.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:25 am

You don't need to spare the name-calling, test-taker. Reading your seriously-posed thoughts about government is far more insulting than any of your stupid attempts at ad hominem attacks.

If you wanted to spare my feelings, you'd stop posting altogether.

But I won't hold my breath.

Just like I won't ever expect you to admit you're wrong about the burden of proof. I know that you KNOW you're wrong.

That's why you whined like a little girl in your post just now.

Like I said, pathetic.

Keep asking the question, test-taker: “what's the ______ hiding and why won't he show it?” I hope it drives you all the way off the cliff.

How'd you like getting pwn3d by Jim Powers about your ridiculous over-use and misconstruction of socialism? Must have felt weird to be mistreated by someone besides the usual 3 people who poke you and watch you take 50 words to say “ouch.”

I hope you slice an artery when you scratch your forearms bloody in your obsession, you miserable wretch.

I don't consider any of this ad hominem. I would pass a lie detector test if asked whether I consider you a miserable wretch. Not that I don't find you amusing in your own malevolently cheeky way.

Not that you don't wonderfully deserve ad hominem attacks for making death threats against the President and mocking the handicapped who want to work at jobs which they are capable of doing.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:37 am

Nah. The Congress – the only “distinctly native American criminal class” – is no deliberative body of popularity-contest winners any sane individual would entrust with discriminatory capacity superior to its sense of political advantage and self-dealing corruption. Legislatures are prone, remember, to do things like pass unanimous resolutions formally making pi equal to precisely three-point-two, even when they're not functioning to line some favored plutocrat's pockets or pay off a lobbyist's arranged sexual assignation with a comely Cub Scout.

And the J-school Annenberg Foundation-paid Obamaphile putzes at FactCheck are about as “impartial” as the members of the Party Leadership in Beijing. But further to the left, of course.

If you believe their Web site's glorious claim of “impartiality,” Supporter – when only someone deliberately striving to disguise his prejudices ever comes out and says he's “impartial” in such an explicit fashion – then I've got a bridge in bustling, picturesque Brooklyn, New York, that presents for you an investment opportunity you simply cannot turn down. And with bailout money sloshing all around lower Manhattan, I can get you rates that will peel your eyelids back. Just respond to this post with your full name as it appears on your credit card….

As a private citizen, Supporter, you have neither reason per se to insist upon any identifying bona fides from me – such as a look at my birth certificate, duly signed and sealed – nor authority to demand same.

Unless, of course, you were lending me money, or investing in a business venture I was managing, in which case you would be within your rights to stipulate that I prove I am who I say I am, and not some modern Mordecai Jones striving to gull you out of your savings. In such a case, like a reasonable, honest man – which Barry Soetoro obviously is not – I would pull my birth certificate out of the file, allow you to make true and certified copies, and permit you to take whatever actions you please in verifying that it is reflective of what is in the vaults in the state where I was born.

No big for me. Suspiciously big problem for our Mombasa Messiah.

If such a tender of my birth certificate did not satisfy your desire for verification of my identity, I would shrug and walk away from our business deal. That's capitalism in action. The freedom to say “no deal.”

I have always supported our military servicepeople. Buncha family members in the Army, the Navy, even the Air Force (that qualifies as a “military service,” doesn't it? too damned many jokes about that at family re-unions, and you should see that poor wing-wiper simmer). Done time in uniform myself, but as a medical officer (not in the line of command at all, really), and therefore never more than a feathermerchant temporarily taking and returning salutes whenever particularly tight-assed Petty Officers were around.

Playing whack-a-mole on Obamaphiles and doing my little best to ensure that the National Command Authority actually IS a lawful NCA is just my duty as a citizen.

Yours, too.


LaLee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:51 am

Tuci, you're as entitled to see Obama's “long form” BC as people who believe that moon landing was a hoax entitled to have NASA personally allowed them to see and touch the moon rocks for themselves IMO.

BTW what kind of work still use PDA in 2009?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:05 am

Fortunately, on the matter of the lunar landings, there had been retrieved samples of lunar regolith (rocks) which had been objectively examined with the results published in peer-reviewed scientific literature. Owing to the vulcanism of our home planet – and the absence of such vulcanism on Luna – no such materials could possibly be found upon the Earth. They would've been dragged into a subduction zone, slagged down and “recycled” in the Earth's molten interior millions and millions of years ago, going through this process repeatedly until their crystalline structure had long ago been changed irrevocably.

The presence of such “genesis rocks” in these samples demonstrates the “off-earth” origins thereof. If the astronauts didn't land on Luna, then they had at least to have gotten to one of the near-earth-orbiting (NEO) planetesimals – asteroids – to have secured such samples, and that would be an even more exciting achievement, don't you think?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:10 am

Tsk, stevie. Nobody can be said to “deserve” succumbing to the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem, which invalidates the victim's line of discourse. Simple insult, plain invective, merry badinage, of course, does not, and the target of such adventitious groaning and griping can take it or leave it for what it's worth.

From you…. Eh. Not much.

And do hold your breath, stevie. As constipated as your neuroleptics must leave you, straining at stool cannot but require that measure to get an effective Valsalva maneuver.

And get your blood pressure checked. Any pharmacy can manage this for you, and the pharmacist can recommend a physician in the neighborhood to address your hypertension quickly and conveniently.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:31 am

Barry's supposed to be “natural born,” is he?

Well, that remains to be proven. Not so?

Where's the birth certificate, you lying lawyer sonofabitch?

..


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:57 am

How can you “hear,” stevie, if you're being fucked in the ear by your Mombasa Messiah?

Tsk. And what I've been telling you about the images of the COLB not being the COLB itself, too.

How long ago did they change your maintenance neuroleptic to intramuscular fluphenazine decanoate, stevie? Y'know, until it starts taking effect, you'll have to continue on your oral antipsychotic regimen and gradually taper it off.

And get your blood pressure checked, will you? Between your metabolic syndrome and the geekster's problems with that embarrassing social disease, I'm getting worried about you hapless Obamaphile incompetents.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Steven Colbert had her on the show recently and she actually said ‘if we dug up Obama’s father from his grave and made him a citizen then that would be something’. How did a Soviet born nationalist become the spearhead for the crazy birther movement. Check out this site for more info and possible criminal actions Orly Taitz.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/eades/2009/08/why-is-orly-taitz-in-israel-tw.php?ref=recmuck


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:17 am

Good, test-taker. Keep unraveling and increasing the volume.

The President can hear your whiny bullshit better if you put it in bold type.

How's your paranoia, wretch? Gnawing?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:23 am

Ah, so the Mombasa Messiah – in his godlike power – sees all and hears all, the better to service his loyal Obamaphiles as they spread their legs for him….

Jeez, stevie. You're deep in the delusion, ain'tcha?


Becca
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:28 am

What is sad is all the attention being given to people who are obviously delusional. Why? Your simply encouraging them. This would all go away if people in the press would cover what is important rather than giving crediance to this kind of nonsense. But, no instead we are going to talk about delusional people who want to prove the second black man to be president isn't eligable. (Clinton is offically the first now that he has been admitted into a black fraternaty.) Oh and lets not forget about all the talk about how the new health care plan is going to just have old people take pain pills and die.

I guess the next thing you know the people saying we never walked on the moon are going to come back claiming the film was a forgery and that everyone knows the moon is made of cheese. And you call this journalism


jhlee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:33 am

So she posts a JPEG off the Web without bothering to research the original or its authenticity? Methinks I smell a Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure violation here…


George
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:33 am

In contesting the place of birth of Obama, wouldn't it be easier to just check with the Immigration Services (INS) whether Obama's mum travelled out of the country shortly before he was born? If the answer happens to be yes, when did she return? With whom did she return?


Washington Planner » Better Than Television
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Bill
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

The more that Obama's opponents waste their energies on stupid diversions, the better!


Bill
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

The more that Obama's opponents waste their energies on stupid diversions, the better!


Ego Nemo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

>>“There has never been a constitutional challenge to the identity and eligibility of a sitting President of the United States,” Taitz wrote in her filing.

She even has that wrong. Hullabaloo was made over, believe it or not, the purported birthplace of President Chester A. Arthur, who became president after the assassination of President Garfield in 1881.

Arthur, unpopular with members of his own party because of his connections to the New York political machine, was accused of having been born in Canada, and not Vermont, as he claimed.

Arthur's 'birthers' were a shrill bunch, too — at one point conceding that yes, Arthur's parent's home was indeed on the U.S. side of the Vermont-Quebec border, but still claiming that the kitchen of the house, where Arthur was born, was over the line into Canada.

There are important differences — Arthur was not elected president, but a vice president elevated to the presidency, and the 'birther' group back then was actually powerful political party faction leaders and not, as appears now, a small group of agitators upset that no one they liked won anything in the 2008 elections.

The similarity to the Obama case is that you had a small, motivated political group that could not accept the fact that a person they did not prefer was indeed president, and that that group saw advantages in that person not being president.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

What's odd though is that NO hospital in Hawaii has any record of Obama's mother ever having been a patient there. Yet some claim he was born there and got dual-citizenship before going to Indonesia & becoming an Indonesian.


wfb812
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

RedGraham: Where's your proof?

A birther lawyer named Kreep. Does it get any better than that?


ohcomeon
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

It was admitted by the Obama campaign long ago. Check out fightthesmears.


steve52
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

Let's see, on the one hand we have a certified copy of a birth certificate provided by the government of the state of Hawaii, handed over by officials of that U.S. state. The original has been examined by impartial observers, who judge it to be genuine. The U.S. State Department declares that this is a legal document, and that Barack Obama is a citizen natural born of these United States.

On the other we have a purported copy of a birth certificate alleged to be from Kenya, provided to us by an anonymous person, not an official of the government of Kenya. It looks like an almost exact copy of another document that is freely available on the web, this one from Australia.

Which is more likely to be genuine? Think hard, birthers.

I can hear the birthers now. “But, but, but… all these people are part of a conspiracy that was hatched 48 years ago! “

No.

The birthers will never be satisfied, no matter how much evidence there is against their tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. They have made up their minds, such as they are, and they will not be swayed by logic or evidence. I hope they keep right on with this nonsense. This is going to sink Republican chances in the midterms.

I love it.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? OR IS THIS SOMETHING BESIDES THAT 10 INCH VIBRATOR THAT YOU ARE PULLING OUT OF YOUR ASS?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

WHERE IS YOURS DUMB REDNECK?


mantis
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

The hospital surely has a record. They don't release patient records. Because it's a federal crime, you idiot.


Mary_Adams
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

@ RedGraham

No hospital in Hawaii has said they don't have any records. That is not true at all.

What they have said is all that they can say under federal law (HIPAA) and that is that they can't disclose whether they do or not.

It would be illegal for anyone to even look for them, much less at them.


bonncaruso
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

I must say, it is a hell of a lot of fun watching the birthers cannabalize themselves. Wait a minute, going to get some popcorn and root beer. This is gonna be fun…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:27 am

No, anyone can NOT make such an affidavit. First of all, what you are so badly misrepresenting is Hawaii statute 338, which didn’t pass until 1982. Second, even that statute requires:

“proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”

What you people fail to realize is that such a loophole as you describe would undermine the citizenship of every Hawaiian citizen, *including* it’s Senators and Congressment.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:11 am

These loons are the intellectual equivalent of the inbred, numbnuts who go to hte Creation Museum and think we rode dinosaurs befoe the fall of man. No matter what evidence you show them, they will deny and deny beyond all logic, because to admit the fallacy of their argument will shatter thir religion


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Well, the cult of the Marxist Mahdi is like that. More than one observer whose comments I’ve read over the past fifty years asks that we consider seriously the probability that the “Liberal” – or progressive, or fascist, or socialist, or Tranzi, and definitely the Obamaphile – adhere to (and proclaim) what seems to them a “political philosophy” to precisely the same extent that any True Believer (a la Hoffer) holds that the passions and ordinances of his sect, no matter how bizarre and suicidal and ridiculous, are the implacable laws of reality, neither to be questioned nor disputed nor disobeyed.

And for no reason ever supported by reference to factual reality.

Obamaphiles and Mets fans.

Ya gotta believe!


Jon H
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

I think I've seen Orly in a scat porn video.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

Kreep, Taintz, Crook, it's like a Dickens tale with Lady Gaga's mom in the starring role.

Keep the crazy coming.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

Red, I'm disappointed with the quality of your crazy lately. If you want to keep helping the birther movement, you have to put some ZING! into it. I want reptilians. I want robots. I want Islamists and a secret cabal of Catholic mystics tied to the Knights Templar. I want Indiana Jones running away from an atomic explosion only to dive into a refrigerator to save himself at the last moment. Otherwise no one is going to stick with it. Let's try to improve the crazy we put out, okay? Mmmmkay.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:30 pm

Oh, “we have a certified copy of a birth certificate,” do we. We,” Kemo Sabe?

The only thing that anybody has of your Mombasa Messiah is a couple of computer graphic images allegedly scanned from a Hawaii state Certification of Live Birth which (up until a magic wand was waved in Honolulu this year), has never been considered the exact equivalent of a birth certificate – of which even a duly issued computer-generated but signed and sealed legal document reflecting the full and precise content may be taken as a true honest of said archived information's presence in a state or territorial government's vaults. Such a Certification of Live Birth being no such fucking thing, not even the one purported to have been issued to “Barack Hussein Obama II” in 2007 and supposed to have been scanned to create those images last year qualifies as a “birth certificate.”

But even if that COLB is a counterfeit, or (more likely) the images offered by the Obama campaign in lieu of a print-on-paper legal document of such character are fabrications, the basic premise upon which those images are based is that there is a real, live COLB in existence somewhere.

It's not worth much, but – hey! – it's something. Okay.

<bNow where the fuck is it, dirtbag?

The image of a thing is not the thing itself. The “impartial observers” of which you yammer are journalism school weenies at the offices of FactCheck, all of them on the payroll of the Annenberg Foundation (the same outfit that used to pay Barry Soetoro for whatever simulation of work he once did for them), and is about as “impartial” a bunch as the North Korean Politburo.

Of course, the North Korean Politburo isn't as far to the left as the folks at FactCheck, and I apologize to those people in Pyongyang.

No real, physical, print-on-paper legal document of any kind – Certification of live birth or birth certificate – has been presented to any competent legal authority, nor has such a document undergone evaluation by any single trained, certified examiner of forensic evidence able to testify under oath (which ya hafta kinda notice none of the FactCheck assholes did) as to its contents, provenance, validity, or other characteristics.

So, “love it” all you want, shitwad.

Gawd, is the “Big Lie” all</u< you fucking fascisti can come up with?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

One certified true copy is on file in my office, another is on file in my home. The last time I requested 'em, I figured I might as well get two.

So has your veterinarian updated your rabies shots lately, fuckwad?


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

because it is irrelevant whether she travelled out of the country. It is just more FUD from crazy people.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Loony alert! Angry baby loony alert! Psycho warning! Whoop whoop whoop! Danger Will Robinson!
Call the waaahmbulance, the birther freak is fixing to blow a gasket!


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

Ooh, wait….

And your mom too!

snigger.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

I think we just learned A LOT about the birthers. Some misplaced homoeroticism coupled with the self-hatred of the religious right for their reproductive and sexual functions. Now I understand…..

Tuci78 is crazy for the dark meat.


TroopSupporter
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:42 pm

Why should we listen to you? You weren't even born in this country!

We AMERICANS support our commander-in-chief during a time of war. SUPPORT THE TROOPS!


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

Carbon dating isn't precise enough to date organic materials that young. See Stuiver and Pearson or check out radiocarbon.com


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:17 am

Ah, Binki. Another pustule begging to be lanced.

Any content? Nah!

So how's that problem with your dog? Y'know, I'm pretty sure the humane society would take a dim view, even if you do say she enjoys it.

And there've gotta be at least a couple of municipal ordinances you're violating. Even though you muzzle her, don't the neighbors object to the noise she makes?

Ah, well. So you've proven that “if an Obamaphile wants a sex life, he should buy a dog.” Got it.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:19 am

Nah. Mom's dead. Primary hepatoma secondary to chronic persistent hepatitis, contracted as the result of a transfusion some twenty years ago.

Got her death certificate, though. At least six more copies. The funeral director tries to make sure you have more than enough for settling the estate, life insurance, suchlike.

You never been through that kind of thing in your family, Binki?

Oh, yeah. You were abandoned, weren't you?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:24 am

Nah. I'm Sicilian. We're so aggressively heterosexual that the fat old German tourist ladies make trips to Taormina just so they can get whistled at. We consider it a kind of national duty, y'know?

And how can there be “self-hatred of the religious right” if there's no identification with “the religious right,” Binki? Those dorks? Snicker!

Oh, yeah. The itching you mentioned is probably due to flea bites. You go around fucking your dog, and that's gonna happen, Binki. I suggest a flea collar for her – or is it him? – and DEET for you. Take care, now.


steve52
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:25 am

Birthers are proof that public schools don't teach critical thinking. How else do you explain the thought process that leads them to their unsupported, illogical positions? Do they also wear tinfoil hats to shield their poorly-functioning brains from The Messiah's mind control rays?

I want to hear elected Republicans start denouncing these people.


misha_trotsky
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:25 am

My authentic Kenyan birth certificate is here. We are very proud that a son of Kenya is your president. The denizens of your country are most fortunate. Please peruse it.

http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2009/08/my-a…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Shhh! Don'tcha know I'm keeping my records sealed, and there's no law that can make me show them!

You're an “AMERICAN,” old jockstrap? Jeez, ya coulda fooled me.

You smell…kinda French, y'know?


Darkmoth
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:29 am

To paraphrase John McCain, “Today, we are all Kenyans!”


TroopSupporter
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:52 am

Why won't you just prove your citizenship? What are you trying to hide? It really makes you look like a liar and a crook by being so evasive.

Seriously, just post scans of your citizenship info. It's a reasonable request. UNLESS YOU HAVE SOEMTHING TO HIDE!

Please post the REAL DOCUMENTS!

Merci,
Real American who supports the troops, and the President


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Don't particularly have to any more. Except at the DMV, when I renew my license. They want to see my birth certificate every damned time for some strange reason.

Hm. Got my discharge papers around the house somewhere, though Allah the merciful, the compassionate, only knows which trunk in the basement they got stuffed two moves ago. I got out as an O-4. What were you, jockstrap? E-2?

And I'm being “evasive”? Nah! Just part of the fun of posting. “On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.” It isn't who you say you are ('cause who cares, really?) but what you post.

You, f'rinstance, post like a fucking idiot. I don't have to see your resume to know that, jockstrap. Like you could hide it?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:11 am

The best part of tonight's Countdown was at the end, when Keith Olbermann unwittingly (I think) and repeatedly (I'm certain) referred to Orly Taitz as “Orly Taint.”

The person he was talking to, comedian Paul Tompkins, had to correct him.

Paul: “Uh, Keith, I believe her last name is 'Taitz.'”

Keith: “What have I been saying?”

Paul: “I'd rather not say what you've been saying.”

Keith: “Taint. Taitz. What's the difference?”


neilends
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:46 am

The campaign says this: “As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children. Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

Again, my position is simple: qualifying for British or Kenyan citizenship is not the same thing as acquiring it. And British/Kenyan law don't trump the U.S. Constitution.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:58 am

Come to think on it, given that Dr. Taitz' computer graphic images are in their way just as much to be believed as the Obama campaign's June 2008 COLB computer graphic images….

Well, hell, I'm just being impolite, right? But one fraud kinda deserves another, doesn't it?


Rick
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:41 am

The Earth is flat. The U.S.A. never landed on the moon. George W. Bush was behind 9-11. Obama was born in Kenya.

Yawn. I need a nap. This is hard work.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:17 am

This was a red-herring used by the Obama kool-aid drinkers to make birthers appear racist, idiotic or crazy. The Indonesia records and college records are where the meat is at.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Enh. Can't say that the Obamaphiles are responsible for this fakery just because they'd cobbled together those ridiculous excuses for JPG images of a legitimate 2007 – or was it 2008? those damned borders, that stupid seal, etc., etc. – Hawaii Certification of Live Birth supposedly issued to “Barack Hussein Obama II” – back last year.

I mean, we know they're lying bastards, sure. But you can't just jump to the conclusion that the same schmucks who tried to pass off something as legitimate back in June 2008 are trying to reverse-mindfuck the pee-pul with this “Kenyan” birth certificate fraudulence now.

More likely it's a prankster who's got no political axe to grind at all. Just likes watching the chimps jump up and down in Barry's monkey house, and thought it'd cause some of them to double-fill their Depends at the sight of it.

Nice, clean fun, that's all.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:36 am

Even if you had ANY proof that an non-birther planted this forgery where a birther could find it…

Wouldn't that just go to show how “idiotic or crazy” birthers are? Because, after all, so many of you fell for it. Including without limitation your Queen Bee, Orly Taitz.

Either way, it was getting a bit dull to keep pointing out the gaping flaws in the birther claims. Now we can watch you tie yourselves in knots to explain how this Kenyan forgery is really just yet more evidence that Obama must have something to hide.

Marvelous!

Keep your fingers crossed that his “Indonesia records and college records” fall out of the sky. Maybe some enterprising left-winger will make fake records from an episode of Saved By The Bell and you people can drool all over the records before one of you files them in court.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:39 am

When you find a “j-school jerkwad” from factcheck.org or a bean-counter like the Republican Governor of Hawai'i to verify the Kenyan birf sirtifikat, THEN we can begin to compare the relative authenticity of the two.

Hey, you don't even have “Dr.” “Ron” “Polarik” pretending to analyze the Kenyan one.

No word as yet from your favorite news site, westernjournalism.com

Haven't heard from Mrs. Nordyke as to what her Prominent White Person opinion is.

So it doesn't appear to be the same thing at all, test-taker.

But you DO seem to be working feverishly to keep your conspiracy theory going. Thanks for putting in the effort on a day when almost every other birther is embarrassed to be here.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:03 am

Neither the FactCheck clowns on the payroll of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of Pennsylvania (supported by the same Annenberg Foundation which funded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, from which your beloved Barry and his criminal co-conspirator William Ayers distributed tens of millions of dollars to predominantly leftist organizations) nor the Red Party governor of the state of Hawaii are or ever were trained, qualified, or experienced forensic documents examiners, and not one of their opinions – not sworn attestations, but merely opinions – is, like Sam Goldwyn's proverbial opinion of a verbal contract – “worth the paper it’s written on.”

And hadn't Polarik already – and quite promptly – weighed in with his opinion that the “Kenyan” document is a fake? Tsk.

So, stevie, how's Ms. Hayek doing, and is she any relative to Friedrich A. von Hayek? Might you please ask her?

And haven't you yet gotten your blood pressure checked?

Oh, yeah. Stay away from geekie's dog. With what he's got, and what he's been doing to (with? Yech!) her, I don't want you even tossing a frisbee around the yard with that poor, abused animal. You've got enough health problems of your own, team leader.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:41 am

I have to say that I absolutely LOVE the birfers on this message board. The debunked myths, the outright lies, the complete lack of evidence to back up their claims, the misspelled words, the gross misreadings and misunderstandings of constitutional law and basic first-year civil procedure…it's like arguing with people who are too stupid to know how stupid they are! So what if John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and every other democrat in the primaries during the last election examined the issue and decided there was nothing there? None of that matters! Know why? Because you're birfers, that's why!

The fact that people would rather believe in half-baked, illogical, implausible conspiracy theories as opposed the word of the Governor of Hawaii (I guess she must be in on this whole thing, too) is proof that even the functionally retarded have the necessary motor skills to click on the “Firefox” desktop icon. My hat is officially off to everyone that has the patience to debate these delusional retards. William F. Buckley's emaciated corpse must be literally shitting in its grave right now because of what modern-day conservatism has become.

And before anyone asks, I left the letters “t” and “h” out of “birfers” on purpose. I'll put 'em back in after I see some birf certificates.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:42 am

I have to say that I absolutely LOVE the birfers on this message board. The debunked myths, the outright lies, the complete lack of evidence to back up their claims, the misspelled words, the gross misreadings and misunderstandings of constitutional law and basic first-year civil procedure…it's like arguing with people who are too stupid to know how stupid they are! So what if John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and every other democrat in the primaries during the last election examined the issue and decided there was nothing there? None of that matters! Know why? Because you're birfers, that's why!

The fact that people would rather believe in half-baked, illogical, implausible conspiracy theories as opposed the word of the Governor of Hawaii (I guess she must be in on this whole thing, too) is proof that even the functionally retarded have the necessary motor skills to click on the “Firefox” desktop icon. My hat is officially off to everyone that has the patience to debate these delusional retards. William F. Buckley's emaciated corpse must be literally shitting in its grave right now because of what modern-day conservatism has become.

And before anyone asks, I left the letters “t” and “h” out of “birfers” on purpose. I'll put 'em back in after I see some birf certificates.


Forged Kenyan BC Splinters
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DR. LEWIS
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:44 am

NO ONE HAS DEBUNKED ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY LACK QUALIFICATION TO DO SO.
I HAPPEN TO KNOW A FORENSIC ANALYST THAT IS WORKING ON THIS IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY AND HE SAYS THAT SO FAR IT IS AUTHENTIC.
WHEN YOUR LEFT WING LOONIES GET A FORENSIC SCIENTIST TO OFFICIALLY REPORT IN WRITING AND SIGN OFF ON THE REPORT THAT THE CERTIFICATE FROM KENYA IS A FRAUD THEN YOU CAN POST THAT IT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED.
SO FAR YOU ARE RELYING ON UNACCREDITED SITES ON THE NET AND UNQUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS TO DETERMINE THAT IT IS IN FACT FAKE.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:45 am

Don't feel bad about the double-post, Steve. Something's been wonky with this Web site for a couple of days. I hit the “Report” button for your earlier post – but, of course, not the one to which I'm replying – and you might want to do that, too. Maybe a moderator will knock it off the board for you.

Meanwhile, what “myths”?

The myth that a couple of easily (and pretty ineptly) fabricated computer graphic images released by an anonymous ACORN flunky in the Obama campaign in June 2008 are supposed to be taken as “proof” that Barry Soetoro (under the alias of “Barack Hussein Obama II,” all praise be to Allah, the merciful, the compassionate) qualifies under the “natural born citizen” status to which he attested – with his witnessed signature – on the application papers he submitted for every fucking primary election in every fucking state in which he ran for the National Socialist (usta be “Democrat”) Party presidential nomination last year?

You mean that myth?

Well, I'd suppose you'd rather be pushing a half-baked, illogical, implausible, untrustworthy, lying, narcissistic personality disorder case like Barry Soetoro instead of trying to get to the plain fact of the matter, which is that if your Mombasa Messiah lying sack of shit simulacrum of a legitimate President of these United States had a real, print-on-paper, duly signed and sealed legal document issued to him by the government of the state of Hawaii in 2007 – from which those images were supposedly scanned in June 2008 – then where the fuck is it?

Why doesn't Barry Soetoro just slap it down on the bench in front of a judge – instead of having one of his ACORN ass-boys allegedly run it over to the Annenberg Foundation ass-boys at friendly FactCheck – so that the judge in turn can hand it to a crew of forensics evidence examiners like the ones portrayed on those police pornography programs with initials like CSI?

The longer your Fraudulence-in-Chief refuses to cough it up, Steve, the more certain that more and more Americans are becoming that he's hiding something that's almost certainly criminally incriminating.

Not good for Barry and his Merry Marching Marxist Motherfuckers, is it, Steve?

You just keep on with your “LOVE” of what's happening, Steve.

Lotta “LOVE” for it on this side, too. Chortle!


DR. LEWIS
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:45 am

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307402/posts?q=1&;page=701


DR. LEWIS
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:49 am

NO ONE HAS DEBUNKED ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY LACK QUALIFICATION TO DO SO.
I HAPPEN TO KNOW A FORENSIC ANALYST THAT IS WORKING ON THIS IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY AND HE SAYS THAT SO FAR IT IS AUTHENTIC.
WHEN YOUR LEFT WING LOONIES GET A FORENSIC SCIENTIST TO OFFICIALLY REPORT IN WRITING AND SIGN OFF ON THE REPORT THAT THE CERTIFICATE FROM KENYA IS A FRAUD THEN YOU CAN POST THAT IT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED.
SO FAR YOU ARE RELYING ON UNACCREDITED SITES ON THE NET AND UNQUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS TO DETERMINE THAT IT IS IN FACT FAKE


RedGraham
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:50 am

Fake BCs & COLBs do not change the actual location of Obama's birth or that he was a dual-citizen before he became Indonesian. His adoption and namechange were beyond the juvenile Soetoro's control. Stannie didn't want the kid home all day and he had to be Indonesian for the school system to babysit him. Giving birth in Kenya, at least two uncircumcised third-world sex-partners, no wonder Stannie died of ovarian cancer. If the Usurper resigns now his presidency, appointments, etc. might not get nullified. He should grant Bill Clinton a full pardon for his perjury conviction and all the other crimes he was accused of.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:54 am

Information published on certain Web sites – FreeRepublic.com, WND.com, WesternJournalism.com – is automatically discounted by Obamaphiles as being unreliable. They will only accept material published on left-slanted Web sites like FactCheck, DailyKos, FightTheTruth, and Pravda.

“Liberals” have strange ideas about what the word “impartial” means. Got that?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:03 am

Insofar as I'm aware, sexual promiscuity and/or sexually transmitted diseases are not linked to causation in primary ovarian cancers. That's true for uterine cervical and uterine endometrial carcinomata, but not for ovarian cancers arising in either the epithelial or primary germ cell components of these organs.

Sorry for the oncology snark.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:12 am

“You mean that myth?”
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Since the governor of Hawaii has stated that the document is authentic and thus not fabricated, then…yes. I mean “that” myth. Unless the governor of Hawaii is really a secret Muslim too. I mean, that's gotta be it, right? “Lingle” does sound awfully Arabic, now that I stop and think about it.

“on the application papers he submitted for every fucking primary election in every fucking state in which he ran for the National Socialist (usta be “Democrat”) Party presidential nomination last year?”
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So…what you're saying is that while Obama fooled every state in the union (and Congress, and the Supreme Court), you, with your infinite access to wikipedia and WND forums, discovered Obama's nefarious scheme to overthrow krischen America and replace it with scary, fundamentalist Islam. Riiiiiiiiight.

“Why doesn't Barry Soetoro just slap it down on the bench in front of a judge”
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Because he doesn't have to. I would explain that whole “burden of proof” thing to you, but I know that you wouldn't be able to understand. Anyone stupid enough to doubt the governor of Hawaii but gullible enough to believe in an obviously authenticated document is more delusion than I can deal with right now. They don't make psychotropic drugs strong enough to cure the stupid shit that you believe in.

“instead of having one of his ACORN ass-boys allegedly run it over to the Annenberg Foundation ass-boys at friendly FactCheck”
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In lieu of actual evidence (as well as facts and logic) to back up your point, you resort to gay-bashing instead. Very classy.

so that the judge in turn can hand it to a crew of forensics evidence examiners like the ones portrayed on those police pornography programs with initials like CSI?
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Really? CSI? That the best you can do? “Hey I have an idea…let's have David Caruso take a look at this! Them redheads, they're good people!”

“You just keep on with your “LOVE” of what's happening, Steve.”
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Thank you, and I will! Seeing the modern day conservative movement taken over by tinfoil-hat wearing idiots running from imaginary black helicopters has really made my day.

And in turn, I would like to thank you for using spell check and observe the rules of grammar. Most of your birfer brethren can't seem to get that part quite right. Don't get me wrong, though; you're still nuttier than squirrel shit.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:18 am

*observe = observing.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:25 am

Well, “conservatives” have equally strange ideas about what the words “evidence,” factual,” and “reality” mean, but you don't see me splitting hairs.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:35 am

“Giving birth in Kenya, at least two uncircumcised third-world sex-partners, no wonder Stannie died of ovarian cancer.”
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This. Is. Awesome.

Conservatives have gone from making shit up about Constitutional Law (and also, reality) and have started making shit up about science as well. Amazing.

“He should grant Bill Clinton a full pardon for his perjury conviction and all the other crimes he was accused of.”
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Get pardoned for crimes that “he was accused of?” Now you're making up shit about Criminal Law, too! Something tells me that right now, Barry Goldwater's corpse is literally shitting in its grave because of the ongoing carnival of stupidity that conservatism has become. The rest of us are laughing our asses off.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:37 am

Of each “Malevolent Jobholder” in the government of the state of Hawaii, Steve, what you have (and everybody else has, too) are unsworn statements released to the public which would, in fact, have only the most tenuous – probably no – standing in a court of law. You could not take, for example, the statement of the governor of the state of Hawaii that you have a valid birth certificate on file in the archives for which he is responsible, said statement reproduced verbatim in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, down to the Hawaii state DMV and use that newpaper page to support your application for a driver's license.

This being the case, how is that statement to be relied upon in so critical an issue as lawful compliance with Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution?

Especially when a supposedly legitimate, true and certified copy of a Hawaii state Certification of Live Birth had been allegedly issued in 2007 to one “Barack Hussein Obama II” and is therefore putatively available upon Barry's convenience for submission to a court of law for verification and validation?

On the application papers for candidacy in the National Socialist (formerly “Democrat”) Party presidential primaries of 2008, I'm not saying that your Mombasa Messiah “fooled” the officials when he signed his name (almost like an honest man) to attestations in each state of his “natural born citizen” status. I'm saying that if he knew he was not a “natural born citizen” of these United States – and remember, Barry trained as a constitutional lawyer, and is therefore always to be held to a higher standard of knowledge, duty, and compliance in such regards – he was LYING HIS ASS OFF.

Honest people expect honest conduct from other people. Taking slick, slimy, plausible Barry Soetoro for honest?

Honest mistake.

Anent your Marxist Mahdi's obstinate, persistent, desperate refusal to convey his COLB – or a certified and true copy of his vault “long-form” birth certificate, even better – into a court of law and “slap it down on the bench in front of a judge,” I speak not to rules of evidence – for we are not yet in criminal proceedings – or even to simple compliance with election laws (which are Byzantine in the extreme, designedly so, the better to be fuddled and rendered utterly ineffective through Fancy Lawyer Tricks), but rather to political necessity.

The longer this “birther” business persists, and the more extensive its roots become – whether out of a spontaneous induction of popular hatred for your socialist sad sack of shit pseudo-president or by dint of “Astroturf” induction as his political enemies (which does not necessarily include any of the “go along to get along” schmoos of the Republican Party) come to understand the wonderful opportunities this issue presents to discredit, discomfit, and perhaps even destroy that shifty ACORN sonofabitch, the more punishing will be the toll taken upon Barry Soetoro, who obviously suffers from a debilitating narcissistic personality disorder and is therefore psychiatrically vulnerable.

There are so many evocations of Richard Milhouse Nixon here. Remarkable, isn't it?

And don't try to play spelling and grammar snarks on what is an online bulletin board, you stupid oaf. Nobody gives a shit.

Like I said, if he's got a valid, real COLB that had been issued to him in 2007, where the fuck is it?

What is this lying “poverty pimp” Cook County political machine lies-for-a-living lawyer holding out, and why is he hiding it?

Let's all hear Barry echo his predecessor: “I am not a crook!”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:56 am

Hm? Are you mistaking me for a conservative, Steve? Nah! Read F.A. Hayek's 1960 essay, “Why I Am Not a Conservative” sometime. Not everyone who opposes socialists / progressives / “LIberals” / fascists / Tranzis (pick any five; they're all the same thing) is necessarily a conservative.

Elsewise, I'm trained as a scientist, with experience in clinical medical research. Look up “evidence-based medicine” and try to get a handle on how factual reality is approached when people's lives and well-being are on the line.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:59 am

Correction noted. Thank you, but your meaning in context was quite clear.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:13 am

You could not take, for example, the statement of the governor of the state of Hawaii that you have a valid birth certificate on file in the archives for which he is responsible
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That's true. You could, however take the official state certified copy of that document and have the governor of Hawaii personally vouch for it's authenticity. Which is what happened. That would be enough for rational people, but as your fearless leader Orly Taitz, attorney at law/dentist/realtor/Xbox repairwoman has shown us time and again, rational though is in short supply among birfers.

and remember, Barry trained as a constitutional lawyer, and is therefore always to be held to a higher standard of knowledge, duty, and compliance in such regards
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Honestly, this sentence is so disjointed and horribly written that I can't even make fun of it. Sorry, dude…I tried.

I speak not to rules of evidence – for we are not yet in criminal proceedings
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The Federal Rules of Evidence apply in both Civil AND Criminal Proceedings. It's good to see that you don't even have a basic knowledge of the American court system, but I'm really not that surprised given how wrong and delusional all of your posts have been so far.

or even to simple compliance with election laws (which are Byzantine in the extreme, designedly so, the better to be fuddled and rendered utterly ineffective through Fancy Lawyer Tricks)
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So let me guess…Obama wrote the election laws too? Is this before or after he paid off the governor of Hawaii to lie for him? Let me know when you find out.

(which does not necessarily include any of the “go along to get along” schmoos of the Republican Party)
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You mean like John McCain, the guy who ran against him last year, and the guy who would probably be the first person to mention this since he would basically get to win the election without even trying? It's funny how birfers can never explain away that little piece of inconvenient logic.

sonofabitch, the more punishing will be the toll taken upon Barry Soetoro, who obviously suffers from a debilitating narcissistic personality disorder and is therefore psychiatrically vulnerable.
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This part reminds me of when I was in high school. I would use big words to cover up the fact that I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about, the way you just did. Way to carry on tradition, sport.

And don't try to play spelling and grammar snarks on what is an online bulletin board, you stupid oaf. Nobody gives a shit.
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I take pride in making fun of birfer idiots such as yourself. The rules of grammar mean a lot to me. Bonus points for using the word “oaf.” I keep forgetting that world we live in is really an just another issue of Marvel Comics' Thor.

What is this lying “poverty pimp” Cook County political machine lies-for-a-living lawyer holding out, and why is he hiding it?
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Y'know, conservatism was so much more fun when Strom Thurmond was alive. At least he didn't lie about being against the Civil Rights Act the way you birther racists do.

I'll make a deal with you: just this once, I'm gonna let you go ahead and type the word “nigger” as a reply to me, and even though I'm a black dude, I promise I won't report it.

I've picked on you enough. Have a nice night ;)


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Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:14 am

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RedGraham
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:17 am

#1-My mistake if Cervical cancer doesn't ever migrate to the ovaries.
#2-President Ford pardoned Nixon of crimes he wasn't even formally accused of.
#3-This isn't about my inteligence or Obama's lack of it, its still about the usurper's lack of natural-born citizenship status, ineligibility to be president, pending resignation and possible nullification.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:31 am

Statement of a popularly elected career politician – a RINO in an overwhelmingly National Socialist state – with aspirations to continue in office or rise to even higher office, and nothing whatsoever of a career without his political connections and “street cred,” precipitating Hawaii's “favorite son” into federal prison for the rest of Barry's miserable, worthless life…?

Nah!

Would I “take the official state certified copy of that document” in evidence as support of Barry Soetoro's claim to “natural born citizen” status?

Yep. Hand it over. I want to put it before a panel of trained, competent, experienced, qualified forensic documents examiners in order to secure their opinions, under oath, as to its contents, its provenance, its validity, and such other characteristics as they may find significantly pertinent to its value as such supporting evidence.

That Crash Test Johnnie, the Enemy Ace, is a “go along to get along” specimen of Republican pseudo-opposition to Barry's National Socialist Party?

You betcha. His “bipartisan” reaching-across-the-aisle to his fellow fascists in the Senate was one of his big sales points in the Red Party primaries, remember?

On Barry's narcissistic personality disorder, look up the diagnostic criteria and then examine Barry Soetoro in depth and detail. I suggest The Obama Timeline as a start, and for further evidence, carefully examine this photograph.

You ever made psychiatric diagnoses IRL, Steve? I have.

And how does Barry Soetoro qualify for the “nigger” term? Given his nominal biological father's mixed race (Arab/Luo tribesman), wouldn't quadroon fit him better?

Meanwhile, in the Carthago delenda est spirit, where's the fucking birth certificate?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:46 am

# 1 – Yes, cervical cancer can and does move metastatically to the ovaries. So, quite commonly, does breast cancer. But primary ovarian cancers are not linked to promiscuity or to sexually transmitted diseases. I would expect to see cervical or endometrial cancer caught in Stage II (locally invasive, within the myometrium) or Stage III (into the pelvic lymph nodes) before finding it in Stage IV (which is how hematogenous spread to the ovaries is classified). Now, it the patient had ovarian endometriosis and those cells became primarily malignant…. Hm. Some days I'm just plain goddam glad I'm not an oncologist. That's a question for the next CME activity I get with the GYN guys.

#2 – Yeah, Slippery Dick didn't get on Marine-1 for that last ride out without at least something from Jerry Ford tucked away in that cheap suit of his.

#3 – It's not about “lack” except as we're speaking of lack of proof. He might well be a real, live, “natural born” citizen and therefore qualified to have run for election and to be inaugurated as POTUS. He might be, but it sure as hell doesn't look like it.

It's not that any “birther” has to prove that this shitwad is NOT qualified to be President of these United States but rather that our ACORN “poverty pimp” socialist sonofabitch is – as a public servant – required to humbly and obediently submit to the people in whose name he is exercising every stinking bit of the sovereignity he's wielding proof positive that he is occupying the Oval Office lawfully, or whether we've got ourselves a fucking criminal illegally occupying the National Command Authority, and it's the duty of all duly sworn officers of the military services and the civil government of these United States to bust his ass and haul him in chains before a federal judge to account for his crimes.


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ConservativeManChild
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:03 pm

Mombasa Messiah means uppity right? Just trying to keep up here…


ConservativeManChild
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:09 pm

Don't you all find it strange there are NO YOUTUBE VIDEOS of Obama's head emerging from his mother womb? Surely, a child born in this country would have at least ONE youtube video of their birth right??

Which leads to the obvious question: Why would an innocent man spend millions of dollars scrubbing videos off the internet and paying hush money to youtube? Obviously he's hiding something.


neliberal
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:21 pm

Clearly, the training failed!


neliberal
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:33 pm

Steve,

My favorite was on CNN last week when Katy Pilgrim sat in for Lou “Never Disbelieve A Conspiracy Theory” Dobbs, and she had Orly Tainted, Alan Keynes, and two reporters on as guests to talk about the birfers…

She kicked it off by itemizing the evidence Obama is an American born in Hawaii…It took 3:30 minutes (in a six minute segment)! After listing everything, she goes to Keynes and asks, “So, Alan, after all that, what exactly is it you're looking for the President to do?”

Keynes: “All I ask is he show some evidence!”

HUH?!?! It takes 3:30 to quickly itemize the evidence, and all he wants is “some evidence”?!?!

No, what's clear is there is NO evidence these wackjobs will ever accept as real. They'll always find some anonymous “expert” online who'll look at a jpg and swear its phoney. That's why Obama should just continue to ignore them.

As to modern conservatism…well, sadly, its become a rotting corpse itself, forced to not even try to debate ideas and solutions any longer. Now, they politically just become the Party of No (makes it easy, never have to think of a solution, just always vote No to a Democratic proposal), their followers make like Mussolini Blackshirts and show up whereever a politician tries to talk to his/her constituents to yell, scream and behave in ways doubtless their mothers would be ashamed to see, and their money backers pay GOP-affiliated groups to forge letters from people and organizations to try and trick politicians into thinking his backers actually oppose that which they support.

It's become a party built on lies, dishonesty, falsehoods, fear, intimidation, even violence and murder.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

At this point, the President has been certified as a natural born citizen. It is your burden to prove he is not. That is what it comes down to. Good luck, because so far you have nothing.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

Wow. You typed all of your assertions in caps. They must be legit.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

You forgot politifact and snopes. So let's see…you admit you rely on the freepers, worldnutdaily and westernjournalism.com.

You are a nutcase if you think your sites are anywhere near as authoritative as the fact-based sites like factcheck.org (which even Dick Cheney has pointed people towards), snopes (world famous for debunking chain letters and bs) and politifact (which is an equal opportunity debunker).

Of course those websites you mention you rely on will be discounted. They are partisan outlets. Get a freaking clue.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

It looks just as crazy no matter how many times you post it. Try it without all caps. Maybe that would help.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

You have a lot of patience. Tuci78 is a real whackjob.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

He produced his birth certificate already. Duh?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

Pathetic racist.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

Obama has put out his birth certificate already. This has been explained repeatedly. At this point your ignorance is just willful.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

The Indonesia records and college records are where the meat is at.
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You mean the meat that doesn't exist? Good luck with that. Someone's going to bed hungry tonight!


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

Seriously. These people are prescription-strength stupid.


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

Typing in all caps: it's like yelling, but on the internet!


Steve X
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

I said it before and I’ll say it again: this woman wants to get disbarred. There is no other reason, aside from pure stupidity, for a lawyer to pull a stunt that fucking stupid.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

Oh, the race card! Congratulations, rat-boy. By my count, you are now the one-hundredth Obamaphile to play the race card on Mr. Weigel’s Web pages today.

As an award, henceforth you will get your daily email push “left-wing bloggers” message from Messiah Central in HTML instead of plain text.

Thanks for all your effort, and you’re asked to come up to the White House to try out one of the many interns your Messiah has used and discarded, which are available to his supporters as soon as Rahm Emmanuel is done with them.

Bring Handi-Wipes. Rahm is so messy….


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Nah. If one wants to use “uppity” to describe an American black person, it’s best applied to someone like Tom Sowell or Walter Williams, both of whom are libertarians who have defied the “Liberals” and left the socialist plantation to think and write and speak their minds as moral and methodological individualists. Defiance of the “Liberal” black “victim” stereotype is definitely “uppity.”

By “Mombasa Messiah” is meant a supposedly sacrosanct personage with a “poverty pimp” resume who claims to qualify as a natural born citizen of these United States without responding to the demand for a physical tender of forensic documentation proving same when legitimate doubts are expressed about his place of birth.

Glad to straighten it up for you, son.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:14 am

Tsk. Back in the ’60s, fathers were almost always excluded from the delivery room, and nobody brought in cameras. “The past is a foreign land” to you, isn’t it?

Nope, all we had back then were inky little baby footprints on stiff paper forms that were dated and timed and signed by nurses and doctors and registrars, with the name of the hospital and suchlike. Y’know, the kind of stuff not found on a short-form “Certification of Live Birth” but which get into the archival vaults of state governments which choose to issue a “Certification of Live Birth” as a reasonable substitute for a real birth certificate.

Videos are kinda “post-modern.” Y’know what I mean?

And a Cook County machine politician “hiding something”? Noooo! Ya think?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:53 am

Can’t admit to sentiments that aren’t felt, chal. I’m indifferent to Barry’s cutaneous melanin content, except to observe that calling him “black” when he’s half-white, muchly Arab, and only a bitty-bit negro (Luo tribesman on his daddy’s side) is kinda weird.

Are you aware that most American black folk – to the extent that they’re “African-American” in any way – descend from folk who lived on the West coast of the Dark Continent, and who were captured by largely Arab slave raiders, sold to white “blackbirders” for transportation to the auction blocks in Charleston and Savannah and New Orleans?

What little negro blood is in Barry’s veins is East African, and by all reasonable lights, Barry is about as much directly related – genetically – to American black people as a Norwegian is related to someone from Bulgaria.

Not the same real ethnic, cultural, linguistic, or religious background at all.

And much slave raider, all praise to Allah, the merciful, the compassionate, who placed the hubshi upon this earth to permit the faithful to pay their way on hegira to the Holy City of Mecca by selling these into servitude.

Why should us constitutionalists be “racist” in any way? We get by just fine keeping the focus on your “poverty pimp” Fraudulence-in-Office’s obstinate refusal to cough up his fucking birth certificate and prove the same kind of thing the average American legal resident proves as a matter of course every time he walks into the DMV.


chal
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Amen. I just wish they would admit it and move on.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Well, Rat-boy, I've only acquired the habit of patience through diligent application. It's deliberately inculcated in the professional learning experience required of practitioners in the sawbones racket.

But thanks for noticing.

And how precisely am I supposed to be “a real whackjob”? I'm not demonstrating anything unreasonable, like – say – the obsessive denial of reality among the Obamaphiles, who keep yammering about how releasing the image of a putative legal document is precisely the same as tendering the physical document itself to a qualified and experienced forensic examiner, and should be accepted as such by anyone interested in determining whether Barry Soetoro is, in fact, an individual legitimately serving a President of these United States and not a criminal malefactor usurping a public office he is not in law qualified to occupy.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

COME ON TUSSY THE PUSSY TELL US ALL I AM NOT A FAGGOT I JUST SUCK DICK ONCE A WEEK !!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

YOU ARE A UNEDUCATED FAGGOT COWARD THATS WHY YOUR TRIFFLING PUNK ASS HIDES IN YOU TRAILER SCARED TO COME OUT FROM AROUND THE DOG SHIT AND BEER CANS IDIOT COCKSUCKER


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

YOU TO FUCKING STUPID TO READ IT ASSHOLE…..SO TUSSY WHEN DID YOU STOP GIVING HEAD TO MEN IN BATHROOMS??


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

COME ON TUSSY IS THAT WHAYT YOU MEN FRINDS CALL YOU WHILE YOU HAVE THEIR PENIS IN YOUR MOUTH…OH TUSSY YOU ARE A GOOD BITCH??


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

HIDE LIKE YOU DO IN THE MENS ROOM TUSSY!! COWRD LYING FAGGOT YOU ARE


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Oh, Rat-boy, “you are so free of the ravages of intelligence.”

In June 2008, one of Barry's ACORN Obama campaign flunkies attached a computer graphic image file to an e-mail, and sent it to the operators of two Obamaphile Web sites, DailyKos and FactCheck, alleging that this image had been scanned from a Hawaii state Certification of Live Birth supposed to have been issued in 2007 to one “Barack Hussein Obama II.”

A bit later in June 2008, the Obamaphile journalism-school graduates of FactCheck – none of them trained or certified in the arcane art of forensic document examination – ooh'd and ahh'd before digital cameras, claiming to have held in their very own trembling hands the “birth certificate” (purportedly that 2007 COLB) of their beloved Messiah, may Allah preserve him and keep him in health long enough to get through all those 72 virgins (let's hope none of them are male and all of them are of species H. sapiens) promised him as part of the White House intern staff deal he's worked out for himself.

Okay. Now, as I keep pounding you Obamaphile jerkwads over the rostral end of your notochords with: “The image of a thing is not the thing itself.”

If that 2007 COLB did exist in June 2008, where the fuck is it now?

Moreover, why the fuck hasn't your asshole Mombasa Messiah put it in front of a judge to settle this whole “birther” business once and for all?

And then there's the charming what the fuck is this “poverty pimp” sad sack of shit HIDING, anyway?

So you just gonna go “Duh” again, Rat-boy?

How appropriate.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

Aw, stupidity. I'm horrendously “EDUCATED.” Rather overeducated, I'll admit. Lifelong autodidact as well as diploma'd and board-certified and suchlike. Preceptors kept trying to steer me into arcane subspecialties (“you oughta go into Rheumatology, son”) when I was a young and impressionable house officer, but I wanted primary care. A neonate in Exam Room 1, a nonagenarian in Exam Room 2, and yet another middle-aged guy with hypertension and high cholesterol waiting for me down the corridor in Exam Room 3. No dreary days filled with the same damned thing, one case after another.

So I read and study and dive into places my colleagues don't understand or appreciate. They play golf, I dabble in praxeology. Cuts down on the skin cancer risk, y'know.

Little hint, stupidity. Online, TYPING IN ALL CAPS is “not done,” as the use of this form of expression is limited to pointed emphasis. Doing it ALL THE FUCKING TIME rather blunts the point, and makes you look even more the complete dickwad you are IRL. Thanks.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Hey, hi, stupidity!

Yet again a friendly word: quit TYPING IN ALL CAPS unless you're trying for specific emphasis. Online, such “all caps” usage is considered the equivalent of shouting, and doing what you're doing gives the impression that you're simply the sort of crazed screaming sack of shit whom people cross the street to avoid.

Now, we all know that IRL you really are a crazed, screaming sack of shit, but here on the Internet you have the opportunity to tone it down and pretend sanity.

You don't want to fuck up that opportunity, do you?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Oh, Rat-boy? He's been “certified as a natural born citizen” by whom? On what basis?

You got a URL on that? I mean, a link to something other than FactCheck or DailyKos or FightTheTruth or Pravda?

Good luck, 'cause so far you Obamaphile dickweeds have put up nothing.


Mitch
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

People like you really scare me. RedGraham, please seek professional help, and please stay on your meds.

Wowza


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

Nah, Rat-boy. PolitiFact and Snopes are Obamaphile Web sites, and your fellow fellahin “rely” on their propaganda contents to the point at which I'm getting pretty sure that you've given up online pornography and are stickying-up the keyboards of your Commodore 64's jerking off exclusively to the praises of your Mombasa Messiah on those kinky, sick, twisted, perverted – ugh! – pages of Internet filth.

And FactCheck is “authoritative” because a Republican Party apparatchik like Dick Cheyney “has pointed people towards”?

Oh, goodie. So Rat-boy is now qualified to enter the eBay bidding on that historic piece of real estate spanning the banks of the East River in bustling, lively Brooklyn, New York.

Now, all you have to do, Rat-boy, is reply to this post with your full name, exactly as it appears on your credit or bank debit card (both are accepted), the full number and expiration date, and the security code printed on the back where you made your “X” when you got the card. Okay?

Look forward to hearing from you. Remember, get in as quickly as you can! You're competing with a lot of your fellow Obamaphiles for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Nah. I've both served as faculty on EBM educational activities and prepared the content for other faculty people in such programs. Us primary care grunts kinda “invented” EBM, along with the cardiology guys.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Tom Sowell got into Harvard on a special program but is now anti-affirmative action, amazing how once some people get theirs, they insist others pull themselves up by their own bootstraps9 even if they have no boots


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 2:41 am

Yep. The “special program” was the GI Bill, wasn’t it? He was certainly qualified academically (unlike a certain Columbia University school grad who got into the law school on the Cambridge campus of Patrice Lumumba University on the strength of Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour stomping up funds for him and persuading Malcolm X attorney Percy Sutton to write a letter of recommendation for him).

Amazing “how once some people get theirs,” they “seal” the records so nobody else can figure out how they got “theirs.”

You go right after Tom Sowell, Brewster. I don’t like watching people stick their hands into blenders and hit the “Frappe” button, but I don’t get tired of it, either.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Oh, “elected Republicans” aren’t going to “start denouncing” the birthers.

Y’see, steve, even those “go along to get along” mock-conservatives who call themselves Republicans are not at all certain that the birthers aren’t right, and they don’t want to go on record as saying: “There’s no doubt that shifty sonofabitch was born in Hawaii” if it turns out that – surprise! – Barry can never produce any legally admissible documentary evidence supportive of the contention that he had been born in Honolulu instead of in his native Mombasa.

That’s Republicans for you. Cautious. Also why they won’t give their National Socialist (usta be “Democrat”) colleagues across the aisle the “cover” those shitwads desperately need on Obamacare.

“No, you guys got the majority in both houses, you go right ahead and hang this anchor around your necks all by yourselves. Deep water’s right over there. Jump in!”


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

YEAH TUSSY THAT IS THE CREATIVITY THAT YOU CAN HAVE ON THE INTERNET EVEN POOR WHITE TRASH LIKE YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT YOU HAVE A COLLEGE EDUCATION BY JUST TYPING IT ON A BLOG. WHILE THE REST OF US KNOW THAT YOU ARE JUST TRAILER TRASH WAITING ON YOUR SHIFT A BURGER KING TO START. AS TYPING WITH CAPS, YOUR STUPID ASS CAN'T READ A BIRTH CERTIFICATE SO I WILL TYPE BIG SO YOU CAN READ MY WORDS TUSSY.. TELL US ARE YOU STILL SWALLOWING?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 3:15 am

Actually he had no HS diploma, and got into Harvard on a program for the less priveledged using the GI Bill, but why quible over that, his columns are full of innacuracies and half tuths, just like the rest of the blowhard conservatives


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

EASY FOR A SACK OF SHIT TO CALL SOMEONE ELSE THAT WHY YOU SIT IN YOUR TRAILER. LETS SEE HOW BIG YOUR BALLS ARE. COME OUT OF YOUR MAMMYS TRAILER AND SAY THAT BULLSHIT TO MY FACE OR YOU JUST ANOTHER BATHROOM FAGGOT THAT HIDES LIKE THE TUSSY YOU ARE??


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 3:27 am

Sowell was born in North Carolina. His father died before he was born. In his autobiography, A Personal Odyssey, he recalled that his encounters with Caucasians were so limited he didn’t believe that “yellow” was a hair color. He moved to Harlem, New York City with his mother’s sister (who, at the time, he believed was his mother). Sowell attended Stuyvesant High School, but dropped out at age 17 because of financial difficulties and a deteriorating home environment. To support himself he worked at various jobs, including in a machine shop and as a delivery man for Western Union. He applied to enter the Civil Service and was eventually accepted, which prompted a move to Washington DC. He was drafted in 1951, during the Korean War, and was assigned to the US Marine Corps. Due to prior experience in photography, he worked in a photography unit.

After discharge, Sowell passed the GED examination and enrolled at Howard University. He transferred to Harvard University, where in 1958 he graduated magna cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Economics. He received a Master of Arts in Economics from Columbia University in 1959, and a Doctor of Philosophy in Economics from the University of Chicago. Sowell initially chose Columbia University because he wanted to study under George Stigler. After arriving at Columbia and learning that Stigler had moved to Chicago, he followed him there.

Lotsa folks in the late ’40s and early ’50s had to drop out of high school for financial reasons. Included so many men in my father’s generation (the “Greatest Generation”) that when Hap Arnold – the general commanding the U.S. Army Air Forces during World War II – tried to insist on having every pilot officer commissioned in the USAAF be a college graduate, one of his subordinates had to take him aside and quietly inform him that there simply weren’t as many college graduates of any kind in these United States – male or female – as the number of pilot officers it was going to be necessary to commission.

Getting a high school diploma the way Sowell did – through a GED course – was commonplace in those days.

And you got “inaccuracies and half truths” you can cite from Sowell’s columns and books, Brewster? Hey, give us a link to ‘em. I like Sowell’s stuff. Maybe you can point me to something I haven’t read yet.


xcott
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

He doesn't “look like it?”

In what way does our 44th president not “look like” a citizen, whereas we never suspected SEEKRIT noncitizenship of Bush, Clinton, H.W. Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon etc?

In any case, your understanding of law is mistaken. Public servants are not required to provide the public with their birth records. And to the extent that they must establish their citizenship, they do not need to provide any more proof of birth than Obama already has (the COLB is legally valid for any application requiring a birth certificate.)

Nor is any elected official, regardless of race, supposed to do things for you “humbly and obediently.”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

Er, yeah, sure, stupidity.

And there's flouride in seminal fluid, so I'm certain your three remaining teeth are just sparkling in their yellownes.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Oh, “On the Internet nobody knows you're a dog.” Got it, stupidity.

All we have in this forum as a manifest of education, intelligence, and morality is what we post. Diplomas, degrees, professional certifications, Stanford-Binet scores, none of this counts for anything.

A level playing field, right, stupidity?

And yet with all this opportunity, all you're showing here is your ass. Tsk. Ain't that a shame?


shaysimmons
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

prominent “birther” attorneys and activists worried that Taitz was doing real, irreversible damage to their movement.

As opposed to all the good she's done for them so far?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

Yep. As I'd written, Barry might be a natural born citizen of these United States, and therefore lawfully qualified to serve as POTUS, but it sure as hell doesn't look like it. Were that the case, the shifty “poverty pimp” would've tendered his physical, print-on-paper Certification of Live Birth (or a true and validated copy of his “long-form” birth certificate; even better) to a competent judicial authority in full and final “res adjudicata” resolution of this whole uncomfortable, embarrassing, and divisive matter.

What about this seems to be skimming over your pointy little “Liberal” head, x-port?

It's not “law” that necessitates this action on the part of your Mombasa Messiah, x-pimple, but rather political pressure, which is ratcheting up despite the efforts of the National Socialist (formerly “Democrat”) Party's collaborators in the drive-by media and even their nominal opponents in the Republican wing of America's bipartisan permanently incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party. Damned questions have gone out of control, haven't they?

Well, that's what happens in an environment where the channels of communication have slipped out from under government suppression. Twitter and Facebook and email and the like, and people will talk.

Y'know, like what the fuck is that lying sack of shit HIDING, anyway?

That kind of thing is problematic for every “elected official, regardless of race.”

And that just chaps your flabby personal ass all to hellangone, don't it?


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

OBAMA IS NOT NATURAL BORN.

I KNOW THIS IS AN OFFICIAL FACT BECAUSE WHEN I TYPE THE WORDS THEY APPEAR ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN SO THAT MAKES IT REAL


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

Oh, Mom's dead. The kid sister inherited her house. The wife and I set up housekeeping close to my practice – what? twenty years ago? – in our own place. But thanks for the thought.

That “Caps Lock” key still stuck, or is that the only output your Amiga allows? Tsk.


xcott
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

If you think political pressure will soon force the president to release his hospital records, you might want to take a seat in the waiting room with the creationists, moon landing deniers and 9/11 truthers.

One aspect you all seem to have in common is your certainty that some day soon your massive people-power will expose the vast cover-up. This is a common theme in pseudoscience movements, the “crackpot apocalypse:” the belief in a pending day of revelation and judgment, wherein the crazy theory is proven true and the doubters are exposed as ultimate losers.

I agree that the “questions have gone out of control,” but only in a way that damages the president's political opponents—who are increasingly tarred as nutcases thanks to the credibility-sapping power of the birther wing.


Skibby3
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:45 am

The birthers are all a bunch of racists, White supremacists, and religious nutjobs who call themselves “Christian,” like you, Florida Christian. Obama released his birth certificate last year, and its authentacy has been verified. Hawaiian officials, including the Republican governor, verified that he is a natural born citizen, but that's not good enough for morons like you. And Orly Taitz should be disbarred.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 1:44 am

Who knows? Maybe the horse will sing?

What have us constitutionalists got to lose by “keeping up the skeer” on Barry Soetoro and his co-conspirators? Remember Alinski's Rules for Radicals, focus on Rule #8:

“Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”

I like #9, too:

“The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”

Jeez, just look at the way the Obamaphile “left-wing bloggers” on the email “talking points” push out of Messiah Central are scrambling and sweating and freaking out.

They keep screaming “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!” and us constitutionalists just keep asking:

So what the fuck is that “poverty pimp” asshole Barry Soeotoro HIDING, anyway?

“Can't stop the signal,” x-plotz.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 1:57 am

Nah. Lots and lots of constitutionalists are absolutely indifferent to Barry's albedo deficit. What's got all this stirred up is that Bary had never “released his birth certificate last year,” instead having one of his anonymous ACORN toadies at the Obama campaign produce what is alleged to have been computer graphic images scanned from such a document, which itself he has never tendered to a judge or to any other officer of the court.

The image of a thing, Skib, is not the thing itself.

A JPG scanned from your birth certificate and emailed to the DMV will not get you your driver's license. You get this?

Okay. And the putative authenticity of these computer graphic images has been called repeatedly and independently into question. The best way to resolve these questions is to produce the document itself.

This document is supposed to have existed in June 2008, when those images were created.

Fine. So where is that document now? For that matter, where has it been for the last 13 months? Why hasn't Barry just coughed it up and said “Here y'go, judge. Can I have it back when you're done?”

You're groping, Skibby. Kinda pitiful, really. So pull your hands out of your Depends and wash 'em, why don'tcha?

I mean, people might be watching….


Steve X
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 2:30 am

Ya rly.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 2:44 am

Aw, FC, for all you know, he might be natural born.

In Zanzibar. Mombasa was part of Zanzibar (now Tanzania) in 1961.


Steve X
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 3:37 am

You sure about that? If there's one thing we know about you birfers is that all you guys have have to back up your claims is…nothing (I don't count the irrational hatred and implausible conspiracy theories).


cfukara
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Good Observation.
Thus, we may never know the name of the district nor province to which the hospital belonged at te time.

I wonder whether I, a no-Birther, can claim that FC was never born …


Steve X
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 3:45 am

I may have to borrow that term “crackpot apocalypse.” Ever since this birfer thing took off I've been using the term “day that the moonbat irrational crazy motherfuckers will never see.”

Yours rolls off of the tongue much better.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Oh, hell no. I'm no sure about where Barry Soetoro had been born than you are, Steve. He says he was born in Honolulu, but he's kept that real, print-on-paper Certification of Live Birth under wraps like it was…

Well, like it was proof positive that he'd committed a bunch of felonies, and putting it into the hands of a judge would get him an aggregate sentence in a federal penitentiary where they'd pipe light into him on alternate Tuesdays and he'd spend the rest of his life on special suicide precautions.

Kinda like that.

And all we know about Barry with regard to backing up his claims of eligibility and qualification is…nothing (I don't count computer graphic images, 'cause computer graphic images produced by my eight-year-old grandson's PlayStation certify him as a Jedi knight).

Ya get it, Steve?


cfukara
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 4:06 am

Good Observation: Till 1961 Mombasa (a town in Kenya where Pres BHO is said to have been born) was part of Zanzibar – and not “The Republic of Kenya”. Thus, we may never know from the birthers the name of the district or province to which the purported hospital in Mombasa belonged at the time.
I wonder whether I, a no-Birther, can claim – using her tactics – that Orly Taitz was never born … ..

And of course, conveniently, there are no documents in Hawaii nor in Kenya nor with any carrier to show that the father AND/OR mother and child traveled in or out of the two countries at the material date and period ….

How did so many – in hospitals, in immigration offices, in Hawaii, in Kenya – conspire or seem to know that the kid was really the anointed “That One”? Why wasn't I told?

And why are good Americans taking this foreigner – a foreign-born empty-head – seriously? [Gosh, she must be musing, those gentiles are strange.]


Steve X
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Oh, hell no. I'm no sure about where Barry Soetoro had been born than you are, Steve. He says he was born in Honolulu, but he's kept that real, print-on-paper Certification of Live Birth under wraps like it was…
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…something you don't have any tangible interest in seeing? That was awesome how I finished your sentence for you. No thanks needed; I provide this service for free to all mentally ill people.

Well, like it was proof positive that he'd committed a bunch of felonies, and putting it into the hands of a judge would get him an aggregate sentence
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True story…”proof positive” is not the same thing as “making shit up because you don't have any evidence to back up your claims.” Disturbing prison fantasies aside, that brings me to my next point…

And all we know about Barry with regard to backing up his claims of eligibility and qualification is…nothing
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Once again, I would explain the burden of proof to you but…fuck it. It's obvious that birfers, aside from making up shit like the shit you just made up, don't really grasp the age-old concept that the burden of proof rests on the accuser, not the defendant. Since birfers accuse the president of being illegitimate, the burden of proof lies on you guys. Since Orly can't seem to get that part right, maybe you should give it a shot. You're at least as delusional as she is, plus you can actually type stuff in complete sentences. The other birfers can look to you for inspiration! It'll be great!


RedGraham
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:00 am

The Jews are God's chosen people. Israel should start bombing moslems again. Our Comrade-in-Chief is Hitler incarnate not the messiah. The Obama kool-aid drinkers are the ones we should be worried about. I'm sick of being tolerant of the anti-birthers. First they ignored us, then they ridiculed us, now they are fighting us, what next?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:43 am

Tsk. What's “tangible interest,” Steve? Interest that can be touched? My interest is that of the private citizen, interested in the qualifications of a highly-paid public servant (y'got that, Steve? public servant, as in “government employee,” as in tax consumer) entrusted with the defense of the Constitution of these United States and by oath bound to this duty.

As anybody can read, what I'd said was that Barry is behaving like tendering his real, physical print-on-paper Certification of Live Birth (or a true and verified print-out of the full information on his archive “long-form” birth certificate) was the equivalent of handing a judge evidence sufficient to get a Grand Jury all excited and jumping up and down, and screaming “Indictment! Indictment! Criminal counts beyond number! Felonies, felonies, felonies! Get out the warrants! Summon the marshals! Heat the tar! Pluck the feathers! Down to Home Depot for a fence rail! Find him a room in Atlanta!”

You know. The sort of thing that might make a trained constitutional lawyer reluctant to let that signed and sealed legal document out of the secret compartment in the back of his little daughters' hope chest, lest it result in him getting to see them only on visiting days for the rest of his life.

If he hasn't long since burned it and tried to make sure that certain people in Honolulu have destroyed the original and sanitized every computer record in the state so that nobody can trigger the Grand Jury dance of ritual revenge against him.

And who but you Obamaphiles are “making shit up,” Steve?

You're the mendacious little elves who keep insisting that the American people accept the image of the thing as if it were the thing itself.

The burden of proof – as always – is on the disputant making the positive assertion, never the guy simply putting the question.

The question put is: “What proof does Barry Soetoro have to support his contention that he is a natural born citizen of these United States and therefore not in violation of Section II, Article 1, of the U.S. Constitution?”

The positive statement offered in response is: “Barry Soetoro (alias 'Barack Hussein Obama II') has a Certification of Live Birth uttered to him in 2007 by the government of the state of Hawaii, predicated upon information held in their vaults attesting to his birth in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.”

With the subsidiary caveat: “But nobody outside the Obama campaign and the ranks of his fanatical 'Liberal' political supporters is ever allowed to see that Certification of Live Birth, touch it, or otherwise examine it, and nobody the least little bit honest, impartial, or hostile to our Mombasa Messiah is ever going to be given permission to go into the vault archives of the government of the state of Hawaii to see the information held on file there. At least not until Barry can get some of his ACORN guys in there to wipe out the real information and replace it with something that won't get his ass thrown into prison for the rest of his life.”

You don't grasp “the age-old concept” that when a public figure like your beloved Barry struggles so fucking hard to hide something as common and straightforward as his birth certificate, the average American gets blood in his eye, and his nostrils dilate, and his teeth clench, and his trigger finger starts twitching, and he says to his friends and neighbors things like:

Just what the hell is that shifty, sad sack of shit 'poverty pimp' socialist sonofabitch HIDING, anyway?

And those are some “tangible” manifestations which – despite today's “talking points” to you “left-wing bloggers” out of Messiah Central – you're not handling worth an expended Fleet's enema, Steve.

Isn't that great?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:22 am

Well, it's getting out in the drive-by media now.

From David Hahn, “Publisher StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

But, here is the issue:

The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of our country. Article II of the Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen. Without reciting them here, there appears to be some serious questions raised about whether President Obama was born in the United States or Kenya. We have not checked sources, but there are reports that some witnessed his birth in Kenya.

The President's campaign staff and then his administration have released and placed on the internet a “Certificate of Live Birth.” We do not dispute the validity or correctness of that document as others have tried to do, suggesting the use of computers to alter seals and names. By releasing this document the President agrees that the claims about his status as a natural born citizen is an open, important, public issue.

But, this “Certificate of Live Birth” is simply not the best evidence that the President and his administration could offer to lay to rest any doubt about his status as a natural born citizen.

Barack Obama is a lawyer and a graduate of Harvard Law School. All law students study the body of law we call “Evidence.” One of the core tenets of American law is the “best evidence rule” which requires the production of original, or certified copies, of original document to prove a fact. Abstracts and summaries are not original documents.

The President has offered an abstract (Certificate) of his birth, but not an original birth certificate which would be the best evidence of his birth. We need the best evidence so that it can do what the best evidence is meant to do; dispel the doubts about a fact. We need to see the Birth Certificate. That's the one that is often handwritten and signed by the doctor.

Lawyers and legal thinkers will, obviously, argue the finer points of the “Best Evidence Rule” and its applicability to this matter. But, that misses the point. The notion of “Best Evidence” is solidly-grounded in law. This is an important public matter and it seems now that the President has started down the path of offering some evidence (Certificate of Live Birth), he should offer the “best evidence” (Original Birth Certificate) which is the source document for his birth. The document behind the document which has been released. This is what is needed now in the court of public knowledge.

The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.

I guess there are some things that not even a journalism school graduate can stomach.


Steve X
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:35 am

Wow…the guy who wrote this article apparently has no idea what the “best evidence” rule is or how it's used. Birthers and other idiots (I know that's redundant, but bear with me) really need to quit making up law and legal doctrines as they try not to sound like a bunch of paranoid racists running from black helicopters.

You guys should just wear T-shitrs that have “omfgdarkiez!” written across the front. That way, whenever we see one of you guys out in public wandering around lost, we can just look at your shirts and know to direct you to the nearest Klan rally.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:07 pm

Nope. Not a lawyer. Which applies to the majority of Americans, come to think of it.

Just a private citizen, insofar as the Kabuki theater rituals of court proceduralism are concerned. Trying to do his honest best (and yeah, I know, “honest” is a word that means absolutely nothing to you Obamaphile assholes) to get to the bottom of an embarrassing, difficult, and completely Barry-induced situation that looks like the biggest constitutional crisis to hit this country since Lincoln declared his war of conquest in 1861.

Steve, you butt-sucking Obamaphiles gotta quit taking your “talking points” from Messiah Central's daily email push to “left-wing bloggers,” unwedge your heads from your asses, and quit smelling nothing but your own shit. This “birther” thing ain't going away, no matter how loudly and rapidly you lie.


Steve X
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:09 pm

Well, we're sick of being tolerant of the mentally ill, but my mama always told me it wasn't nice to laugh at crazy people. I still laughed, I just did it when she wasn't looking.

We ignored you because we knew you didn't know what the hell you guys were talking about.

We ridicule you (notice the present tense) because after all this time, you dummies still don't have your conspiracy theory straight. We also ridicule you because every birfer case thus far has been tossed out of court because teh birfer lawyers are too stupid realize that they have the burden of proof, which they fail to meet every single time (because they HAVE no proof…of anything). Plus, we ridicule you because teh birfer leeder is thisclose to getting disbarred permanently. She's already a national (international?) laughing stock, and we know that you birfers, too stupid to think for yourselves, will follow her crazy ass right over the cliffs of insanity.

We are “fighting” you (present tense again; I use the quotation marks because the fighting is actually in your head) because ignorance plus hatred plus anger is a deadly combination.

Birfers keep showing their gross ignorance of the law (just read the posts on this board), and birfers keep showing their irrational hatred of and anger towards that dark-skinned guy in the white house. You know, the guy that won back in November.

What's next? Well, that's up to you. You guys can either become rational and offer better ideas about how to govern the nation and fix all of these problems that Bush started, or you can keep being irrational and the rest of us can keep making fun of you.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:19 pm

Now, now. Little stevie – the lawyer – is gonna get on your ass for trash-talking about the handicapped.

And you just keep on trying to ignore the constitutionalists, Steve. Not like any messages addressed to you assholes is ever gonna get through, is it?

But the other folks reading – the ones who would like to believe that they've got a law-abiding man occupying the office of the President of these United States – are drifting more and more inexorably into that “Damn. That's funny….” moment you socialist sonzabitches dread so terribly.

And that's got you in deep need of your Pepto-Bismol, don't it?

Y'all just keep up that “ridicule.” But remember, boopsie! Alinsky's Rules for Radicals works both ways.

You silly shitwads “can either become rational” and give up your Great White Hope (what an expression!) of a Mombasa Messiah or you can spend the rest of your miserable little lives mumbling “woulda, shoulda, coulda….” in your moms' basements.

Your choice, Steve. And I'm not just making fun of you.

Us Sicilians are like that.


Steve X
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:21 pm

Nope. Not a lawyer. Which applies to the majority of Americans, come to think of it.
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True, but the majority of Americans don't make up stupid shit as they go along because they're too stupid to do the research. The author's exact words were “We have not checked sources, but there are reports that some witnessed his birth in Kenya.” That one sentence just destroyed any credibility he had as a journalist. He probably should have taken that little part out, but he is a birfer after all, and we know that birfers ain't too good with the logic these days. Only a birfer would be stupid enough to openly admit that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

In the future, before you cut and paste and entire article to back up the stupid shit you believe in, make sure the author of the article isn't as full of shit as you are.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

Looks like “the majority of Americans” don't accept the “stupid shit” you Obamaphiles are trying to peddle any more, Steve. They're doing the research, and coming to the conclusion that the image of a thing is not the thing itself.

And if Barry has a birth certificate, where the fuck IS it?

And, of course, what the fuck is this shifty “poverty pimp” socialist sonofabitch HIDING, anyway?

Y'know. Questions your Mombasa Messiah can't answer without getting his ass thrown into Leavenworth for the rest of his miserable life.

And there are not “reports that some witnessed [Barry's] birth in Kenya”?

Admittedly, Mombasa was in Zanzibar (now Tanzania) in 1961, but Mr. Hahn can be allowed a bit of geographical uncertainty, can't he? He got the continent right, after all.

In the future, before you vomit up the daily “talking points” pushed to “left-wing bloggers” from Messiah Central, try simulating critical thought and honesty.

I know that's impossible for a butt-sucking Obamaphile like you, Steve, but try anyway. Good boy!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:36 pm

Now, now. Little stevie – the lawyer – is gonna get on your ass for trash-talking about the handicapped.

And you just keep on trying to ignore the constitutionalists, Steve. Not like any truthful messages addressed to you assholes is ever gonna get through, is it?

But the other folks reading – the ones who would like to believe that they've got a law-abiding man occupying the office of the President of these United States – are drifting more and more inexorably into that “Damn. That's funny….” moment you socialist sonzabitches dread so terribly.

And that's got you in deep need of your Pepto-Bismol, don't it?

Y'all just keep up that “ridicule.” But remember, boopsie! Alinsky's Rules for Radicals works both ways.

You silly shitwads “can either become rational” and give up your Great White Hope (what an expression!) of a Mombasa Messiah in the White House or you can spend the rest of your miserable little lives mumbling “woulda, shoulda, coulda….” in your moms' basements.

Your choice, Steve. And I'm not just making fun of you.

Us Sicilians do things differently that way, y'know.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

It is apparent that you only discount sites as “Obamaphile” when the reality they point out does not match your own apparently fevered imagination.


Steve X
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

And, of course, what the fuck is this shifty “poverty pimp” socialist sonofabitch HIDING, anyway?
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Proving once again that all racists are conservative. Good job, now run along. You're late for your klan rally.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

I say you are a wackjob, because you are apparently obsessed with this to the point of being unreasonable.

Obama has presented evidence of his birth beyond any previous president to my knowledge. Obama has even gone so far as to present an image of his COLB online. He has subjected it to trustworthy organizations for verification. Just because he has not done everything to your satisfaction, you complain like a petulant child.

There is no positive evidence against Obama. All we have in opposition are theories, possibilities – however remote that would seem to exist when confirming the certainty of any person’s birth.

As you have posted irrational racist statements previously on this forum, one can only assume this must get to your motive here. Any claims you have at being a rational person are doubtful at this point.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

The fact that YOU do not accept Obama’s birth certificate does not mean he did not produce it. Nice try.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Lol. The Annenbergs are Republicans. More and more implausible every time you keep posting.

You demand Obama’s birth certificate be examined by forensic examiners based on no reason at all. You need to come up with positive evidence to support your argument that Obama was born elsewhere before anyone sane would support you.

Obama has already gone well beyond what any other president has put out there to prove their natural born citizenship. Get over it.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Birthers are vastly Republican judging by the polling data. Steve52 is right. Elected Republicans need to learn to put “Country First” unless that is just an empty slogan to them.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

The lunar rocks were meteorites caused by asteroids impacting the moon and some of the ejecta being caught in our own orbit until the ejecta orbit degraded and the objects fell to Earth.

NASA found the objects and provided them to independent analysis after the moon landing was faked.

Nice try. Lol.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Nobody needed anything, but the images to debunk Taitz forgery and within just a matter of hours.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Sounds more like you are describing partisans of all stripes. It looks to me like you could easily describe the Republicans that supported everything George W. Bush did to a “T” as well as any other fascist, socialist or pinko commie.


Ricardo
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Now, I'm a “non-birther”?


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Another idol falls: not only has Weigel lied and misled about this issue, but so too has Alex Koppelman.


luther blissett
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Prince of all the birfers, you crazy racist bastard, go and pay homage to Queen OrLy.


bill_I
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

What is it to understand?
1)Hawaii destroyed original Birth Certificates a couple of years ago in order to streamline the the office of records and in the process photographed EVERY original Birth Certificate they destroyed, this includes the Birth Certificate of President Barack Obama.
2) Within days after Barack Obama was born, 2 Newspapers in Honolulu noted his birth, at a local Hospital. This evidence was put on microfiche files well over 20 years ago.
So, you “Birthers” believe that a certificate of live birth, with a pressed seal is a forgery, but that an obviously fake “Kenyan Birth certificate” actually has more credence?
AND That 2 newspapers, who got their information from the Hospital where the births actually occurred, not from the parents, are part and parcel to this “Fraud”, which they helped commit over 40 years ago?
Birthers are ignorant idiot racists, and it is quite obvious from their remarks that this IS a fact.


dballance
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Wow. So funny to watch these idiots try to come up with something to counter the actual fact an Obama birth certificate has already been produced. It's of US origin by the way.

Why are people giving this bad excuse for a Gabor sister clone time on the public airwaves? She's doing her interviews from Israel – not the US. Why does she even have standing in the court to file a stupid lawsuit?

The court should excoriate her in their opinion to dismiss her frivolous suit. If the court can fine her for wasting the court's time I hope they do as an example to the other idiots like her.


luther blissett
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

What's Poochy69 hiding? His white hood and sheet.


mantis
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

Tuci, you loveable little Paulbot moron, an opinion column in a web-only college newspaper is the best you can come up with?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Once again. Obama showed his birth certificate and has been certified President of the United States. You apparently do not accept that (and likely never will). You are welcome to your opinion. Have a nice day.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Lol. Conservatives appear to have been following Alinski before Alinski even existed.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G08/EC-Tabulation…


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

When they counted the electoral votes. The President can only be a “natural born citizen”.

If anyone had an objection, that was the obvious time to state it.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Oh, you forgot the formatting.

And, of course, what the fuck is this shifty “poverty pimp” socialist sonofabitch HIDING, anyway?

There! Much better.

And how is it “racist” to call a shifty “poverty pimp” socialist sonofabitch a shifty “poverty pimp” socialist sonofabitch, anyway?

Steve, from which diverticulum all the way up inside your sigmoid colon are you whipping out this “race” card, eh?

Shove it back up there, son. It's not done composting yet.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Ah, but we have only computer graphic images of what some anonymous ACORN flunky in the Obama campaign supposedly scanned in June 2008 from a short-form Certification of Live Birth supposedly issued to “Barack Hussein Obama II” in 2007.

No physical, print-on-paper, signed and sealed document at all.

Y'see, dball, the image of a thing is not the thing itself.

There. That's a “talking point” you and your fellow “left-wing bloggers” ought to shove back up the pipeline to your Gauleiteren at Messiah Central.

And somebody oughta take a power sander to your crotch, hit “High,” and push down really hard. Gotta make an example of you, dball.


TrueBlue
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:15 am

It’s true – neocons are out there scaring senior citizens with limited discernment that the new health plan includes directives for euthanasia for the aged who become ill … instead of treatment.

This is what republicans are stooping to – it’s pathetic, there used to be thinkers.


talkischeap
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

I think the story emerging about Oily Taints involvement as an informant for the KGB is fascinating. Perhaps her misguided efforts are part of some attempt to remedy the demons from her past.

But ratting out your neighbors to the Soviets cannot be undone.


alaskana
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

If these a$$holes waNt Obama's birth certificate , THEN I WANT THE HEAD A$$ LOU DOBBS, MOTHER AND FATHERS MARRIAGE LIC. THAT WOULD PROVE ONE THING FOR SURE///…


bill_I
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

Address the Honolulu Newspapers microfiche files, which have existed for decades, that announce the birth of Barack Obama. Newspapers that take their information from Hospital files, not from parents.


bill_I
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

What part of the Originals were destroyed when Hawaii's Office of Records MADE COPIES OF THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES AND THEN DESTROYED THEM IN AN EFFORT TO STREAMLINE THEIR OPERATIONS do you not understand? You never get the original of your Birth Certificate, the Original is Held, typically at the Chamber of Deeds at the County Administration Buildings in the County in which you are born. What you receive is a COPY OF THE ORIGINAL, WITH AN EMBOSSED STAMP TO CERTIFY IT”S AUTHENTICITY!!!
MOVE ON AND GET A LIFE!!!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:44 am

Nah. They won’t enroll Roman Catholics. Now, the Knights of Columbus…!

Better watch out, Protestant slime! Our night riders will burn a kerosene-soaked concrete statue of the BVM on your front lawn.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:56 am

Obama does not need to put out his long form. You will demand he mail you a copy and you still will not be satisfied.

As the COLB is sufficient to establish Obama’s natural born citizenship on its own, asking him to produce more is just fishing.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

STCK BECAUSE YOUR SILLY DUMBASS CAN'T READ IDIOT!! DAMN YOU ARE STUPID!!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

BITCH PLEASE……WHERE IS YOURS? OR DID YOUR BRAIN RUN DOWN YOUR SISTER/MOMS CHIN?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:15 am

Apparently I am not the only one who has noticed your racism. If I worried about my views being confirmed I suppose that would be a comfort to me.

Perhaps a wiser person than you might take a moment to reflect on your comments and behavior here.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

ALREADY SHOWED IT YOUR STUPID ASS CAN'T READ TUCCY… WHEN ARE YOU GONNA STOP MOLESTING THE CAT?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:27 am

You had me all the way up to the last paragraph when the wheels came off.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:31 am

Whether he is hiding something personal or not is a moot point and shows the motivation of the right is purely to embarrass the president and not at all concerned with establishing his American birth (which has already been done and vetted by voters – twice).

You give yourself away.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:43 am

Blah blah blah… You type forever and do not say a thing. Factcheck.org is a widely respected independent organization. The fact that they have published a finding that you do not agree with for what looks like emotional reasons does nothing to contradict their arguments and body of work.

You can piss and moan all you want. It does not make your rants relevant.

The American public was well aware of the claims of birthers and they still chose Obama overwhelmingly. This is nothing more than an attempt of armchair tyrants trying to subvert the will of the people.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Nah. Electoral votes can’t qualify a candidate. The electors don’t even take qualification into consideration. Not their job.

And a popular vote can’t change reality, Rat-boy. Remember when the Indiana House of Representatives unanimously voted pi equal to precisely three-point-two in 1997?

Voting don’t make it so, Rat-boy.

Poor Rat-boy. All that shit between his ears, and no way to get it out and into the rose garden.

Try running at a brick wall really fast, Rat-boy. Head down, and really push it. Knock that bony knob at the top of your neck open, and all your shit will pour out to fertilize the little flowers.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:51 am

Sure. Publication in a newspaper of a birth is not proof of birth. I can agree with that, but it is damn good evidence of it, don’t ya think? Especially watching the birthers come up with theories to account for that little tidbit along with their other hair-brained theories.

Every bit of evidence from the Obama camp combined with the lack of positive evidence from the birthers makes the birthers case less and less plausible. They still do not have a grand unifying theory yet that explains all of the relevant data.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:53 am

Nah. I discount ‘em as Obamaphile because they’re left-partisan “Liberal” (or even explicitly socialist) and manifestly hostile to constitutional rule of law at all levels of civil government in these United States, and that is invariably a mark of favoritism for Barry Soetoro.

Always works out. You bothered to check ‘em, Rat-boy?

Like anyone is gonna listen to your shit-for-brains excuse for an opinion?

Nah!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:03 am

Hahaha. Nice strawman. The electoral votes do not qualify a candidate. I agree. However Congress can present objections. None were made to my knowledge.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:10 am

Nah. Look, Rat-boy, I know that you lying little sacks of shit have been told to play the “race” card every time you fire up your Commodore 64s. That big lying sack of shit at Messiah Central wants that Big Lie rammed home as often as possible.

But you ought to know, Rat-boy, you can’t ram home something as limp as your little dick, and that “race” card bullshit is extremely limp.

Not as limp as your dick, sure, but limp.

And like who the fuck NEEDS “positive evidence against Obama,” you stupid shit-head?

The only need for “evidence” is on Barry’s part. He needs to prove that he is (or ever was) a “natural born citizen” in order to have been qualified to run for President or to occupy that office.

Barry’s the one who needs “positive evidence,” fuckface.

I’m just another of the millions of private citizens calling the question, and he’s the evasive, slimy, lying lawyer “public servant” evading the question.

Hey, no matter how many times you repeat the shitwad Obamaphile mantra, it ain’t gonna be so.

This isn’t going away, Rat-boy. Ain’t that great?

Such a little, trivial, “nothing much” of a thing for millions upon millions of average Americans, and it’s gonna land your “poverty pimp” Mombasa Messiah in a narrow little room somewhere in the federal prison system for the rest of his fucked-up little life.

Is America ever a great country, or what?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:13 am

Nah. The families would never let such a half-hard-on-with-a-briefcase into even street dealer status. Us Sicilians got our standards.

And what “black”? At best, he’s half-white, much Arab, and a bitty-bit Luo tribesman.

He’s “black”? Bullshit. He’s what they used to call a quadroon. Sand Nazis qualify as “white,” don’t they?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:14 am

Nah. Best if he just plopped it down in front of a judge, and said:

“Here y’go, your honor. Could you get it back to me when you’re done with it?”

And if he were an honest man, and a real “natural born citizen,” he’d do that.

As it is, he’s neither of those. So he can’t. Not without incriminating himself.

Real ass-in-a-crack situation for your Messiah, Rat-boy.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:17 am

What strawman, shit-for-brains? Is that the latest “talking point” in your emails from Messiah Central? Little Rat-boy, you shouldn’t use words beyond your understanding. Stick instead with “duh” and “mommy” and “don’t hurt me like that with your thing again, Uncle Bill!”

And you’re asking people to rely on Congress?

Aw, Rat-boy made a funny! He didn’t know he made a funny, but isn’t it all the more charming for all that?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:20 am

Nah. That’s what “community organizers” are commonly called. Besides, it’s what they do. Don’tcha know about how your Mombasa Messiah made his bones in the Cook County machine, Rat-boy?

Read through http://www.colony14.net/id41.html setting your “Edit” / “Find” function to pick out “poverty pimp.”

Tsk. What a shit-for-brains you truly are.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:25 am

Nah. Who gives a fuck about what color Barry chooses to fake? Either way he goes – white, Arab, black – everybody can tell he’s a fucking phoney. He found it politically expedient to fake “black,” which is the only way he could’ve screwed The Woman With One Eyebrow out of the National Socialist (usta be “Democrat”) Party presidential nomination.

No “black” for Barry, no run for POTUS, and then no wonderful, wonderful, wonderful prospect for seeing a fraudulent fuckwad perp-walked out of the White House in chains by a squad of federal marshals.

Hey, who says we don’t get value for our tax dollars? If nothing else, just think of the spectacle….

And, yeah, “poverty pimp.” The term unfamiliar to you? It’s also known as “community organizer.” Same thing. In the job description, I’d guess. See http://www.colony14.net/id41.html and search out the first instance of “poverty pimp” in the text.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:28 am

Nah. Barry doesn’t dare “put out his long form” birth certificate.

What is it about incriminating evidence that sails right over your shit-filled little head, Rat-boy?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Nah. Alinsky died in ’72. Published Rules for Radicals in ’71.

You’re on the Internet right now, shit-for-brains. What, you can’t look anything up for yourself?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Obama does not need to put it in front of a judge. The only people who are questioning it are a group of screwy birthers. They need to provide some positive evidence to remove Obama at this point. Guess we will just have to wait for them to get back from Austrail- oops. I mean Kenya and Indonesia.

In the mean time, keep entertaining me.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:34 am

Thank you for sharing where you get your racist remarks from. That was really special.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:35 am

Nah. Like I said, only the botched and the gullible (that’s you, Rat-boy) accept an image of something for that thing itself.

If that COLB existed in June 2008, you wanna speculate why Barry hasn’t just handed the friggin’ thing to a judge and put an end to this?

Most likely, it’s because he can’t. That COLB doesn’t exist. It never did – reading what those images read – and if he shows up with a real, unaltered, issued-by-the-state-of-Hawaii document that proves those images were forgeries, Barry goes to jail.

To jail. To prison. Charges, indictments, trials, convictions, dark little rooms in the depths of Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary, with Aryan Nation gangs just itching to get little Barry out into the general population.

Ain’t America a great country, or what?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:41 am

Why is it you can claim everyone is lying and that every document coincidentally inconvenient to your argument is fake, but you insist on being believed despite your openly racist remarks? Puzzling.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:41 am

Yep. Walter certainly was. But the Annenberg Foundation? Nah.

The Annenberg Foundation also funded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, from which Obama and William Ayers distributed tens of millions of dollars to predominantly leftist organizations. In defense of FactCheck, some point out that the Annenberg Foundation was originally funded by a wealthy Republican, the late Walter Annenberg, and therefore it could not possibly have contributed to leftist causes. That argument fails to consider the fact that wealthy benefactors often do not retain strict control over—or live long enough to control—the foundations they set up. Annenberg donated $50 million to the United Negro College Fund and supported public television, and neither of those would be considered conservative leaning. “If it’s Annenberg it must be conservative” is not a valid argument. The Ford Foundation, for example, has distributed funds in ways that clearly would not have been advocated by Henry Ford. In fact, Henry Ford II quit the Ford Foundation in disgust in 1977. The fact that Annenberg is no longer alive to influence the spending of his foundation is not irrelevant. The truth is that as time passes tax-exempt foundations frequently lurch left in their distribution of funds. (They have also been used as covers for CIA activities, precisely because of the lack of accountability in their funding and expenditures).

(( Source: http://www.colony14.net/id41.html ))


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:43 am

There weren’t conservatives before Alinski existed? Huh. News to me.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:45 am

They can be “vastly” whatever the fuck they please to be, Rat-boy. I’m not a Republican, and never have been. Hate ‘em. Always have.

Elected politicians of any kind are duty-bound to put “Country First.”

But almost none of ‘em do. Just about never. That’s why we’re in the fucking mess we’re in.

America is too damned important to trust it to popularity-contest winners or career bureaucrats. That’s why civil government has got to be cut back to about a twentieth of its present size. Probably smaller. Simple rules for this task?

Enforce the Bill of Rights.

You understand that, Rat-boy, or is your head simply too full of shit for common sense to get through?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:48 am

Nah. Crystalline structure of the “genesis rock” specimens couldn’t have survived heat of re-entry as ejecta caught in Earth’s gravity well and coming to the surface as meteorites.

Brush up your geology, asshole. All you can be trusted to speak about is coproliths, on account of with all the shit between your ears, petrified shit is all the rock you know.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Yep. Republicans as well as National Socialists. All Boot-On-Your-Neck Party butt-suckers.

Especially you, Rat-boy.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:51 am

There you go speculating again. I guess it is to be expected from a conspiracy kook.

Whether it is incriminating or not is a moot point. It is Obama’s personal information. We have all we need from the COLB. There is no compelling legal reason to see the original at this point. Sorry.

Your apparent drooling over speculation about “incriminating evidence” only exposes your ulterior motives here that have nothing to do with establishing Obama’s birth.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:54 am

“Quadroon”? “Sand Nazis”?

More racism.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:03 am

Of course we need to rely on Congress. We live in a Republic. Duh?

I know it is a bit inconvenient for your aims, but you are gonna have to learn to live in it.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:14 am

As usual, we just have your bombastic assertions in place of any attempt at an argument. Thanks, but you need more than just baseless opinion. Meanwhile, you think WND and freeperland are legitimate. Lol.

You are hilarious. That is some damn convincing parody you are doing.

I suppose you have not considered that you think Politifact, Snopes and Factcheck so biased merely because you are extremely biased yourself? Nah…No friggin’ way. Right. Hahaha.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:21 am

Obama is the President as a result of the due process of law. In order to remove him from his position, you will need to first prove he is unqualified. Trying to reverse the burden of proof here is transparently amateurish and beyond that, nonsensical.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:26 am

You may want to try and convince the other 99 posters you claim think you are racist. You might make more headway with them.

I am learning to “think” like a birther. That is, whenever somebody (you in this case) contradicts me or my theories, I simply call him/her a liar. It saves me from ever having to change my mind about anything – and I am always right that way.


Steve X
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Not to mention that the Kenyan government, the Indonesian government, the states of Kansas and Illinois, the District of Columbia, and all of the elected and appointed officials in each of those states and locations, over nearly fifty years have been in on the whole scheme since before he was born. Apparently Obama is so crafty that he's been planning his world takeover since he was an embryo.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:39 am

There is/was never a reason to hand it to a judge. That was an easy answer and no speculation needed.

Besides, how exactly does handing his COLB to a judge end anything?

Assuming the judge says everything is hunkydory, you will just call him/her a liar as you have every single person who has uttered a fact inconvenient to your beliefs.

Are you so deluded that you do not see you have been doing this all along here?

Nevermind. I do not want your head to explode.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:44 am

“America is too damned important to trust it to popularity-contest winners or career bureaucrats.”–Tuci

Unfortunately we are stuck with a Republic and something tells me any alternative you would like would be simply terrifying.

I am not interested in your Utopian totalitarian state.


TrueBlue
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:03 am

how diabolical! ahahahahahahahaha. its so entertaining to read about these latest claims of fact – like scanning the national enquirer while waiting in the checkout line. TRUE! Alien fathered my child, Elvis sighting – Loch Ness monster exists. We just needed the laughs – it's great.

And even funnier now they are caught in the lie – they are the innocent victim of our plot to fool them into thinking Obama was born in Kenya! LOLOLOL


TrueBlue
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:10 am

You guys have a rival group who insist the real Obama conspiracy is that he is a pawn of the Mafia.

It's so much fun having the first black president, it has brought out all the looney tunes in their full regalia shouting out their claims. Old habits die hard, the new young ones coming up don't tend to be so threatened by people who don't look the same as them.


TrueBlue
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:12 am

your claim to something being true is because your attack is IGNORED? LOL

you must be a guy you are so gone on your own opinion <chuckles>.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:14 am

First of all, Leonore Annenberg is still alive an kicking and endorsed McCain during the last election.

Secondly: “…[W]ealthy benefactors often do not retain strict control over—or live long enough to control—the foundations they set up.”

That is your argument? They “often” do not retain strict control? Well how about in the specific case we are actually talking about? Lol.

Factcheck has written several articles directly criticizing the basis for arguments and statements of the Obama Campaign AND Administration. Although I will say Factcheck is not perfect if that is what you are trying to compare it against, they are far more even-handed and fair than any of the sites you have mentioned that you rely on for your information.

WND and Freerepublic do not adhere to any journalistic standards or accountability. Factcheck and politifact are run by journalists who need to adhere to a set of ethical standards and transparency.

The two classes of sites are not even comparable when it comes to reliability.

You may not like that, again, but it is merely your opinion.

It is pretty worthless to argue about bias as much of it relies on opinions. I think that is why birthers would rather argue about such things than the actual facts.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:34 am

You are just making things up, there is a report that proves I am right that NASA has since destroyed. It is called Document X-4783R-78.

The samples we have from the moon ejecta have damaged crystalline structures that could have survived intact within meteorites of a diameter of 15 inches on atmospheric entry.

Prove it is not true.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:36 am

Nah, Rat-boy. I hate all “Liberals,” fascists, progressives, and other socialists regardless of ethnicity, cutaneous melanin content, religion, gender, or sodomitic preference among barnyard animals.

I’m an equal opportunity moral and methodological individualist. You still trying to play that “race” card, shit-for-brains? Jeez, only a fucking blockhead like you wouldn’t have gotten the news days ago.

Well, hell. You’re nothing but shit, and I don’t give a shit…. I guess it’s gotta work for you. You’ve got nothing else, right?

Perhaps a sapient creature – which leaves you out of the discussion, don’t it, Rat-boy? – could learn a lesson, but…

Hey, maybe you can be conditioned. We useta do that with planaria in college. Let me just pour a little table salt on your rostral end here….


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:44 am

Hey. Nobody put a gun to your head while you wrote racial slurs in your posts.

Besides, I am just using birther logic. It is not like you are making a sworn statement or anything – not that it would matter, so I have to assume you are just lying.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:50 am

How many of you are there republicanstupidity troll. If you intend to
do a successfull troll (shouting, cursing, vulgarity, repition, etc.,) you should learn to write in only one style. You give yourself away too
easily, otherwise. You sound like a bunch of bored college kids.

Of course, others have probably figured this out already and are
just yanking your chains.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:01 am

Mine, little stupidity? Toldja. One copy in my office files, another at home.

Jeez, you've got a real problem with short-term memory retention, don'tcha?

Well, chalk it up to your brain damage, right?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:09 am

Lol. Like you would know. Your head is stuck so far up your own ass.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:12 am

Aw, bill. Tsk. Y'see, the whole point of those asshole computer graphic images is the allegation that in June 2008, a Hawaii COLB (supposedly issued to “Barack Hussein Obama II”) had been scanned, and those JPG images were supposed to be accepted by the botched and the gullible (that's you, bill) as proof that such a document does exist (or did exist), was in the possession of Barry Soetoro, and ought to be accepted (again, by you botched-and-gullible shitwads) as “proof” that your Mombasa Messiah had been born in Honolulu instead of in his native Africa.

Okay. Now, the state of Hawaii may have destroyed the original paper birth certificates after scanning them into computer archival form. Probably not. Massive job, very costly, not enough time to have been undertaken, much less completed, but – what the hell – let's give you shit-headed Obamaphiles the benefit of the doubt. So the information content of what Barry's desperately hoping will “prove” that he was born someplace other than in the Maternity Ward at Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa.

Okay. So there's the original birth certificate – or whatever; maybe it's just an attestation – “backed up on hard drive” in Honolulu, and that can be printed out the moment your lying, sad sack of shit “poverty pimp” gives his permission.

And – whoa! – Barry's got that real, live, print-on-paper, signed and sealed COLB he claims to have gotten from Hawaii in 2007, right?

Okay. The COLB could be slapped down on a bench in front of a judge tomorrow morning, for the judge to hand over to competent forensics documents examiners for their evaluation and testimony as to whether or not it's valid or a forgery.

And next week, that same judge could receive from Barry a copy of the print-out of the full content of Barry's scanned and archived “long form” birth certificate.

And all this “birther” stuff would be settled, res adjudicata.

All this being so, bill, where the fuck is that shifty, lying lawyer sonofabitch GOT that Certification of Live Birth now, and why the hell hasn't he coughed it up?

Then there's also: just what the fuck is this secretive, criminal fuckwad masquerading as a lawful President of these United States HIDING, anyway?

Inasmuch as you obviously don't have a life, bill, I expect we won't be hearing from you henceforth. Have a nice death.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:16 am

Nah. No certificate. Just images.

The image of a thing is not the thing itself.

F'rinstance, the image of you on this thread, Rat-boy, is by no means as smelly, shit-spattered, drooling, and urine-soaked as you are in person.

And for this we're all very grateful.


Brewlord
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:18 am

To quote Franklin, “Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead” To believe this incredible conspiracy, it requires that hundreds of people keep a secret for 48 years. Are you people fucking high. And before you call me a lefty wack job, I also don't think 9-11 was an inside job, if only for a similar reason


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:23 am

Nope. We’ve got no sworn attestations on the part of any officer of the government of the state of Hawaii. Merely statements which can be plausibly denied, should push come to shove. No documentary confirmation of anything in the state’s Vital Statistics archives, either — nothing of paper documents, nothing of digital archival information. What’s been gotten out of the government of the state of Hawaii is less than a shadow of a ghost.

When substantive information is well within these officers’ reach. They seem to know things that they really don’t want to talk about.

And, y’know, I’ve been called a “pit bull” before. Ain’t that a coincidence? When I lock onto a differential diagnosis, I just don’t stop until I’ve got it sorted out. As long as there’s a “Damn. That’s funny….” element requiring elucidation, I just keep on keeping on.

And there is just so wonderful much “Damn. That’s funny….” about Barry Soetoro, I don’t think it’ll ever get old.

Well, not until he’s hard at work in the prison laundry at Leavenworth, trying to find a way to keep the Aryan Nation guys from dragging him into a storeroom for a little dilation and curettage.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:25 am

Aw, Rat-boy. Come out from under that porch where your mom has been keeping you, encounter more people IRL, and you’re going to hear “Subhuman!” a whole shitload more, I assure you.

You kinda evoke that reaction, y’know?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:28 am

Well, why doesn’t Barry just have Hawaii issue him another COLB right now, and put that in front of a judge?

Based on the same information as the supposed 2007 COLB, right? Should show everything same-same. Quick fix, easy-peasy, all tickety-boo.

Or is there some kind of problem Barry might have with a true and certified COLB unaltered by one of his ACORN flunkies fiddling with Photoshop on a Macintosh in Obama campaign headquarters?


bill_I
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:36 am

Insofar as actually responding to the questions, perhaps you could:
1) Actually give a response instead of diatribe
2) Ascertain the actual facts instead of making up your own
3) Refrain from personal attack, it weakens your argument
4) Get a life
I obviously have one that is much happier, fulfilled, and positive than yours…


bill_I
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:41 am

How do you claim to know that Hawaii has not destroyed the Birth Certificates because there was not enough time, that it costs too much, that it was too massive of a job?
Got any more made up ideas?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:48 am

That's the “drive by media”? Doesn't even look like real media. Never even heard of them.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Do you expect Obama to mail you a copy?

Taitz image was torn apart in a matter of hours. Why can't you guys achieve the same with Obama's image? Hmmm…


Aylah95
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Are you representing the Moral Majority? Or the Compassionate Conservatives?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Doesn't take 48 years. Barry was openly honing for the top whore slot in Washington City's red light district back in 2004, and he'd been planning to be president for a long time.

While he was in the third grade in Indonesia, little Barry Soetoro wrote an essay saying he wanted to become president.

“Perhaps as a foreshadowing of future questions about his status as a natural born citizen of the United States, and the constitutionally relevant issue of divided loyalties, Obama includes in his essay the remark that he is not sure of “what country” he would like to be president. In fact, he wrote, 'I want to be a president' rather than, 'I want to be the president,' according to his teacher, Fermina Katarina Sinaga.”

(( source: http://www.colony14.net/id41.html ))

Pathological lying people with obvious narcissistic personality disorder – Barry – get into the practice young, and just get better with age.

Given his past history with ACORN and other known convicted felons, you gotta admit that Barry had just about the perfect upbringing and conditioning to fit him for his ambition.

Sick, sick little sad sack of shit, right from the very beginning.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:52 am

It's racist to call Obama a “poverty pimp” on its face. Your disingenuous act isn't working.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:53 am

Dobbs can hand over all that stuff without triggering thousands of criminal indictments.

Can Barry?

Nope.

Let's all listen as Barry reads the Fifth Amendment off his TelePrompTer, okay?


Aylah95
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:53 am

“he's been planning his world takeover since he was an embryo”

Ahhhhh. come on now! You'll remind them of the whole anti-Christ theory. LOL


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:54 am

Of course you do not see birthers as racist. You throw around racist comments without the slightest clue what you are doing. “Poverty pimp”? Seriously?


Aylah95
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:54 am

I caught that tidbit too. I much prefer American citizen.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:55 am

Neither. I'm just a private citizen, interested in seeing Barry Soetoro perp-walked out of the White House by a squad of federal marshals, his hands cuffed behind his back and fastened to those neat belly chains, his ankles fettered, his head down, and the Marine guards at the gates giving each other high-fives and grinning from ear to ear.

Not much to ask for my tax dollars, is it?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:58 am

Nah. Too much like exercise.

Besides, there’s two perfectly good firing ranges (and much better company) in the county where I live. Indoor shooting – even with good hearing protection – beats the hell out of your ossicles.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:58 am

Was Barack planning to be President 9 days after birth? Is that why Obama arranged to get his birth announcement in the papers? To provide a cover story?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:58 am

You are just speculating.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:00 am

No problem. “Share and enjoy.” You read every little bit, Rat-boy. There’ll be a quiz on Monday.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:00 am

My God. You are that certain Obama was not born in Hawaii? Without a shred of positive evidence? And you claim to be a scientist? Hahahahaha!


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Mail it to me. I will get it verified with my experts. Trust me.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:04 am

Oh, there have been conservatives since the beginning of recorded history. Neophobes. People who fear the new.

I’m just not one of them. What I was observing is that today’s conservatives appear to have taken up the precepts of Alinsky to respond to the socialists. That’s healthy, I think.

From my perspective it’s kinda like “Let’s you and him fight!”

I’m agin both of you, so what the hell?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:04 am

Oh, I don't know that the Hawaii state bureaucrats have destroyed the birth certificates. Some days they seem to say one thing, some days another. I'm just retailing speculation on costs, time, manpower, etc. require to scan those paper birth certificates into digital format (massive job) and the impossibility that these bureaucrats would even begin destroying their paper archives until they were sure that their electronic archival system was foolproof in operation and at least as reliable as the paper files had been.

Unlikely. Not impossible, but bloody unlikely. But, as I'd said, I'm willing to give even you lying sacks of shit the benefit of the doubt.

Got any more lies you've been told to push by Messiah Central, bill?

Hard to believe they'd have a total fuck-up like you on their email list, but wotthehell….


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:04 am

You still think Obama was born in Mombassa? Based on what? A debunked jpg image that is now all of a sudden credible to you while Obama's jpg image is not? How scientific of you. Lol.


bill_I
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:04 am

So, The State of Hawaii has Declared that President Obama is a Natural Born Citizen.

Congress unanimously voted that he was a Natural Born Citizen.

The local Honolulu Newspaper on August 13, 1961 states that Mr and Mrs Barack H Obama had a son born on August 4th. And, that the information of this birth came FROM THE HOSPITAL, NOT THE PARENTS!

Your argument that our President was born in Mombassa is based on a statement made by his STEP-MOTHER, who claimed to have been at his birth in Kenya, and a joke of a fake Kenyan Birth Certificate.

Some people are like pit bulls, they will argue and argue even though the facts prove that they are wrong. They will use intimidation instead of conversation. They will make up facts that back their position, and try to overwhelm the situation with overloaded diatribe.

I choose not to waste my time arguing with someone who obviously has major problems.
There are so many other problems facing this world that to become so hung up on an argument that already has been decided borders on fanaticism.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:06 am

Nah. Incidental insult merely spices things up. And how does a lying, stupid, shit-for-brains subhuman fuckwad like you deserve anything else?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:06 am

It is a moot point whether the originals exist. What is the point of Hawaii issuing a COLB if birthers can just claim they don't believe it is valid for the purpose it was designed.

It is the birthers who need to calm their fevered minds and accept the credible official evidence that has been presented.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:08 am

Haven't heard the word “subhuman” since the Nazi's used to throw it around casually. Nice company.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:09 am

Done that already. Read http://www.colony14.net/id41.html and http://www.colony14.net/id139.html and especially http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…

And then get back to me. Or throw yourself under a bus.

Make sure it's a moving bus, mind.


bill_I
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:10 am

So, The State of Hawaii has Declared that President Obama is a Natural Born Citizen.

Congress unanimously voted that he was a Natural Born Citizen.

The local Honolulu Newspaper on August 13, 1961 states that Mr and Mrs Barack H Obama had a son born on August 4th. And, that the information of this birth came FROM THE HOSPITAL, NOT THE PARENTS!

Your argument that our President was born in Mombassa is based on a statement made by his STEP-MOTHER, who claimed to have been at his birth in Kenya, and a joke of a fake Kenyan Birth Certificate.

Some people are like pit bulls, they will argue and argue even though the facts prove that they are wrong. They will use intimidation instead of conversation. They will make up facts that back their position, and try to overwhelm the situation with overloaded diatribe.

I choose not to waste my time arguing with someone who obviously has major problems.
There are so many other problems facing this world that to become so hung up on an argument that already has been decided borders on fanaticism.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:12 am

Nah. FactCheck is – as I’ve previously observed – the creature entire of the same Annenberg Foundation that funded the Chicago Annenberg Foundation through which Bill Ayers and Barry Soetoro ran tens of millions of bucks for various leftist organizations in the Greater Chicagoland Area, sucking off some considerable money for themselves in the process.

FactCheck is about as “independent” as Pravda. Well, Pravda doesn’t lean quite so far to the left as FactCheck does, but you get my drift.

And FactCheck is “widely respected” only if you get a bunch of socialists to bend over and show you their assholes, which are wide indeed.

As for choosing Barry Soetoro last November, just what the hell alternative did the voters have? Crash Test Johnnie?

“You can die of cholera or bowel cancer. Chose one!”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:18 am

Yep. And you need to rely on Santa Claus and the Strange Man Who Comes to You Under the Porch in the Night and Does Uncomfortable Things to Your Naughty Bits.

The reliance upon mythical entities – like the legendary Honest Democrat and the fantastical Responsible RINO – is part of our quaint national folklore, but nobody above the age of 12 (or with an IQ twenty points higher than yours, Rat-boy) believes in them.

We citizens have a republic as long as we can keep it. The Congress and its co-conspirators in the Executive and the Judiciary are the ones Franklin advised us to keep it from.

In God we trust. In government, not one fucking little bit.

Is that “inconvenient” for your shit-for-brains Obamaphile maunderings, Rat-boy?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:21 am

Technically it was Obama's Dad's step-mother. It is unclear from the transcript if she was actually refering to Obama's father who shares his name. Also a relative who was there said that Obama was born in the US. Anyone who would take such a muttled mess as evidence would have to be a complete idiot.

Berg brought this up at trial and outside of not having standing, not being able to show actual damages, the court said he had no merit either.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:27 am

Just observations, Rat-boy. Wipe the shit out of your eyes and you’ll make the same observations exactly.

Or can you wipe the shit out of your eyes? Oh, darn! All that shit inside your head! Nowhere for the light to go! Tsk.

As for my own biases – sure. Individual rights. Constitutional government. Free trade. Free markets. No government counterfeiting. No banksterism. No corporate welfare. Live and let live. Laissez faire, laissez aller, laissez passer.

The crapsites you like, Rat-boy? All opposed to my biases.

I like my biases a whole helluva lot better. So would you, if you didn’t have shit for brains.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:31 am

Nah. To keep his position (and to keep from assuming a bent-over position in a federal prison somewhere), Barry’s got to prove that he’s qualified to have run for and to serve as POTUS.

Avoiding this proof process is getting his narrow little ass in more and more trouble as the days pass, Rat-boy. Wipe the shit out of your eyes and peek out at the world, why don’tcha?


bill_I
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Someone is thinking about heading to a Health Club in PA…..


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:35 am

Sure, Barry’s had plenty of reasons – and opportunities – to hand his COLB to a judge. All over the country. It’s the damned-near-a-million-bucks worth of legal expenses he’s sustained in Fancy Lawyer Tricks to keep out of handing that COLB to a judge that’s so goddam hilarious, shit-for-brains.

And if any judge says “everything is hunkydory,” wouldn’t you feel better, Rat-boy?

But your beliefs are in Barry, and what you know about Barry is that he hasn’t got a hope in hell of putting a legitimate birth certificate – or COLB – in front of any judge and getting away from that courtroom except in handcuffs.

And who wants your shit-filled head to explode, Rat-boy? I mean, nowhere in any residential neighborhood, anyway.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:38 am

Rat-boy, anyone seeking a vital spot on your anatomy would find your head the very last place to target.

If I honestly thought that using “racist” language would cause you to froth and gibber and leap up and down in your cage, I’d use it. But wotthehell. I’m doing fine just with proclaiming your glorious shit-headedness. That’s enough.


bill_I
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:38 am

So, you speak of
“the impossibility that these bureaucrats would even begin destroying their paper archives until they were sure that their electronic archival system was foolproof in operation and at least as reliable as the paper files had been.
Unlikely. Not impossible, but bloody unlikely. “

So you are even arguing with yourself…
Have a nice life with your “friends”…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:45 am

What is “personal” about Barry’s place of birth? This is supposed to be a matter of public record, right?

And how can proving his place of birth possibly tend to “embarrass” your Fraudulence-in-Chief? He has not been able to establish to any degree of certitude the allegation that he’d been born in Hawaii, and it is a mere nothing for him to do so, with that COLB he had – allegedly – gotten scanned in June 2008 to make those computer graphic images you jerk off to twice a day, Rat-boy.

How troubling all this must be for him, the poor orphan. His mother gone, his father gone, his loving socialist grandmom in Hawaii gone…. All he has is Michelle, and she doesn’t really understand him. Aw.

Wouldn’t it be best for Barry to put this all behind him? To seek closure? To settle the “birthers” in their tracks, and just hand over the birth certificate to his enemies?

Nah. That’d be giving himself away. As in “into federal custody for the rest of his miserable life.”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:49 am

Track where the Annenberg Foundation money goes. To the left by the millions, and not to “right-wing” causes at all. Hey, Rat-boy? You show me where the Annenberg Foundation money is getting spent to advance conservative or libertarian purposes. You do that, and I’ll admit that it isn’t entirely in the pocket of the “Liberals.”

Otherwise, your approval of FactCheck is based on “merely your opinion” and nothing beyond that. And arguing with you, Rat-boy? Pshaw! I just figure that shit between your ears will compost faster if I keep making you pound your head on the keys of your Commodore 64 in impotent rage.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:55 am

Not “stuck” with a Republic, shit-for-brains. We have a republic, if we an keep it. To keep it, we have to stay on top of the popularity contest clowns, and never let down our guard as citizens.

You want to hand the whole fucking country – including you neighbors lives, their liberties, their property – including their persons – to the “Malevolent Jobholder” of civil government, to be raped and robbed and turned into soap if that’s what suits your masters.

That’s completely shit-for-brains, Rat-boy. Your “Utopia” is not only not an option, but it’s hell on earth for everyone else in this country they’re unlucky enough to share with fucktards like you.

And you find enforcement of the Bill of Rights “terrifying,” Rat-boy?

Whoa, great! What that says about you, shit-head, just tells the world everything we’ll ever need to know about Obamaphiles, doesn’t it?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:55 am

Nope. No sworn attestations. Just public announcements, none of which would stand up in a court of law as proof of anything. The bureaucrats and RINO politicians of the state of Hawaii are weaseling as hard as they can. Why not? If by some miracle, Barry stays in office and doesn't go to prison for the rest of his natural life (plus 50 years), they're in clover.

If he gets the hook? “Well, we were mistaken, weren't we?”

All up, no down, right?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:00 am

Nope. But he was planning on it from the day he was a little boy, learning Arabic and memorizing the Qu'uran like a good little fellah.

All praise to Allah, the merciful, the compassionate, but the Rat-boy shall show his head to be filled with shit, and he shall be unclean, and all who look upon him will skeeve and draw back the hems of their garments, and cross the streets to get away from him, and he shall be stoned in the marketplace, and a great cry of joy will go up throughout the land.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Yep. About Dobs.

I'm pretty much dead certain Barry can read the Fifth Amendment off his TelePrompTer.

Doubtless, he's been rehearsing it muchly of late.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:09 am

Obama's supposed secret Muslim religious views are a moot point besides being laughable. There is no religious test for office. Besides, you are just speculating and/or opining again – yawn. Or are you a mind-reader as well?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:10 am

Good luck with that. Lol.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:13 am

The only original BC we've seen is from Kenya. He was most likely born with dual-citizenship before becoming Indonesian. As an adult he may have attended college as a foreign student. Exactly what do you mean by “unanimous”? A congressional-vote doesn't change where the Usurper(BHO) was actually born.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:23 am

So you would have us believe public officials are making false statements in public just to cover for Obama?

So let me see if I have this right:

Obama lied.
The State of Hawaii officials lied/purposely misled.
The COLB is a fake.
Both newspapers printed false announcements and lied about it.
Obama's family lied.
The Kenyan government lied.
The US State Dept lied.
Factcheck.org lied
Politifact lied.
The Taitz birth certificate is real.

I am sure I will think of some more later to add.

It amazes me that you still believe all of the above is so certain, you would arrest the President. My God your ignorance is absolutely frightening.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:25 am

The vote shows that Congress believed the question is settled. If you want to remove Obama, come up with some legitimate positive evidence…for once.


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:33 am

The “only original BC” you've seen that's supposedly from Kenya is a forgery, using an Australian birth certificate… we even know whose birth certificate it was, a man named David Bomford, who has confirmed that it was his birth certificate that was the basis for the forgery…

You wingnuts don't handle reality well, do you??


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:37 am

There's nothing like a good factual argument, full of logic and reason, Tuci, and that's exactly what this post was…

Nothing like a good factual argument, that is…

I guess you think that witless sarcasm is an adequate substitute for facts…

You're wrong… all you've proven is that you're a card-carrying idiot, bereft of facts to support his position…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:41 am

Hey, dballance, I thought I was the only one who thought that Taitz looked like a long-lost Gabor sister… LOL…

Do you reckon that woman applies her makeup with a trowel?

What a gal– a failed dentist, sued any number of times by her patients (never heard of a dentist getting sued before), lost her realtors license, and now, a failed lawyer too… she's a regular Renaissance woman of failure…

She has earned her place in the pantheon of great American right wing woman whack jobs, along with Michelle Bachmann and Katherine Harris… I sure hope they never create a hall of fame for them, I don't think I could walk past pictures of the three of them in a row and keep my lunch down…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:45 am

Ah, but we haven't even seen COMPUTER GRAPHIC IMAGES of it, have we?

Guess we're supposed to take your word for it… mail it to me, so that I can examine it for myself, then and only then will I accept that it's real… I will be quite happy to provide you with my snail mail address…

Seems fair, that's the same standard you're demanding of the President… LOL…

FWIW, numerous people HAVE seen, touched and examined the real document, not just the COMPUTER GRAPHIC IMAGES of it… its authenticity is not in question, except for those who refuse to accept the truth…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:48 am

As always, those who lack the facts to back up their argument resort to profanity… which is, of course, proof of only one thing– a pathetic lack of intelligence…

Of course, if you REALLY believe that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, in the face of all the evidence supporting that assertion, then we've already established that you aren't the brightest bulb in the chandelier, so perhaps I belabor the obvious…

Gawd, I love toying with wingnuts…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:49 am

Aw, Rat-boy. You really expect anyone to believe that you – with your shit-filled head sagging down upon your chest, unable to focus your piggy little eyes upon anything other than your dirty toes, can be said to know anything beyond the bounds of the porch under which you’re kept?


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:51 am

Hey, if he's that smart, blessed with that much foresight, that's the man I WANT running the country…

It's a refreshing change from having the mentally disabled in charge… LOL…


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:05 am

I pity the person whose theories solely rely on everyone else lying.


hypatiab7
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:23 am

It gets even better. All those people who lied about his birthplace originally did it because they knew he would grow up to become POTUS. Wonderful how they knew that 48 years ago.


elsbeth
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:34 am

Too bad the birfes don't have ONE SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that would or has held up in a court of law.

but…he sealed them….nope, he has privacy rights

but, but, the judges only rule on technicalities…the same technicalities you would want enforced if you were sued

but, but, but he never showed his BC….but he did. you just don't like the state of Hawaii's process for creating BC's

but, but, but, but de Vattel said…de Vattel isn't in the Constitution

Th birfers have yet to come out with a single shred of evidence.


elsbeth
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:36 am

Tuci has no logic or argument. None. Nada. Zilch.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:40 am

And surely the infidel Rat-boy shall be stricken even more excessively with pustulent discharge from his stump of a masculine part, and his anus shall drizzle liquid filth, and he shall be called “shit-for-brains” by all around him, and when his time is fulfilled in this world of sorrows, Shaitan shall gaze up unto Allah, the all merciful, the compassionate, and say “I'm not gonna take this one, damnit! The last time I threw one of these fucktards into the flames, the whole place stank for a century!”

And thus it was written that the Rat-boy couldn't even make it into Hell.

Praise be to Allah.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:41 am

Nah. Got more than sufficient logic in my discourse. Dealing with Obamaphiles, of what value is reason?

When feeding worms, throw manure.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:44 am

Yep. I fully agree. That's why you'll find logical argument and solid appeal to reason on my many other posts. What you'll find offered in exchange for Obamaphile bullshit is merry abuse.

You don't like it? No problem. Read my other stuff, and I'll be happy to go 'round with you on logical points of dispute.

You got any above to offer on your own part? No? Well, fuck you very much.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:48 am

Nope. I'm just more and more certain that Barry can't prove that he was born in Honolulu. Else he'd have done it already.

So he had to have been born somewhere, right? The rumors about flying saucers aren't to be believed any more than Barry's protestations about having been grunted into the world in Hawaii, so we look to the Dark Continent, and to the welcoming corridors of Coast Provincial General Hospital in exotic downtown Mombasa….

Y'see, the “evidence” is under Barry's control, and he's gotta bring it forth. Lacking “evidence,” he could've been born anywhere but within these United States.

Kinda binary solution, y'know?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:49 am

Did anyone else hear a distant POP!?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:54 am

Nah. Computer graphic images is all we've seen. JPG's to be exact. You missed all the links? Don't have to take my word for it. FactCheck is still up, isn't it? Look for the images there.

But don't look for that document itself. Insofar as you and I are allowed to know, it isn't anywhere. (Eerie Twilight Zone music inserted here.) Barry's supposed to have it, but he won't cough it up.

Thirteen fucking months, and Barry won't put that fucking COLB in front of a judge anywhere. Gotta wonder why the hell he's hiding it, don'tcha?

As for the “numerous people,” you're talking about the FactCheck assholes, right? The same people pulling down their paychecks from the same Annenberg Foundation that used to fund the Chicago Annenberg Challenge that Barry and Bill Ayers used to suck from while funneling tens of millions of bucks to left-wing organizations in Cook County and the Greater Chicagoland Area? Those “impartial” observers?

Yeah, sure. And while you're groping around down there, why don'tcha yank the other one?


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:56 am

Barry has already reasonably proven he was born in Honolulu.

It has been demonstrated to you many times over. You just cannot accept it apparently because of your deep seated racial bigotry that you have demonstrated repeatedly.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:59 am

Tuci believes everybody who does not support his theory is a liar. FactCheck, the State of Hawaii, the State Department, and on and on.

The only way Tuci will not call you a liar is if you say Obama was not born in Hawaii. Then he will believe any picture or bullshit you have to peddle.

In short, he is a complete douche.


TrueBlue
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:05 pm

You are too funny. He also hasn’t proven he is an alien plant therefore with your logic that must mean he is an alien.

And yeah – that’s exactly how meaningful I think your claims are.

You don’t sound that stupid so how is it you are stuck in this obsession? Is it a problem with black men?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:10 am

Well, Bearass, when the enemy conceals the information you've gotta have to target the motherfucker, you've got to make a best estimate of his situation and circumstances, and work with such “soft” data as can be ascertained. Haven't dragged Barry's ass into a court of law yet (he's been remarkable skittish about going near any such court with that COLB, hasn't he?), so coming up with the most robust estimate of the picture is what any citizen has got.

Wish I were staff college trained, but that option was only open to line officers at the rank I held when I got out of the service. I'd prefer to put it in S-2 terms.

It's not – and never has been – a matter of what I “believe” about Barry, Bearass, but rather what I know.

I know, for example, that Barry has steadfastly refused to put either his birth certificate or that COLB into the hands of trained, experienced, competent forensic documents examiners for evaluation as to its information content, validity, provenance, or other characteristics.

I know that only Barry is permitted, under Hawaii state law, to release any information pertaining to his birth certificate or COLB. Privacy protections.

I know that the provision of a valid, certified and true copy of Barry's birth certificate, handed to a judge, would render all this “birther” stuff res adjudicata in legal jurisdictions all over these United States.

I know that Barry has spent (or received as a species of service) the equivalent of upwards of $800,000 in legal expenses procedurally quashing rather than substantively addressing various “birther” efforts to get him to cough up either that COLB or a full, certified and true copy of his long-form birth certificate, or to get a court order allowing the Hawaii state government officials to produce the same.

That's a lot of what's known, and it's enough to paint a picture of Barry in this situation as a cockroach scuttling from the light, and running out of shadows in which to hide.

Y'see, Bearass, your problem is that the “birther” thing is based upon a natural, healthy, suspicion on the part of the private citizenry that even the most popular politician is a lying, thieving, pillaging, murdering sonofabitch who must be watched constantly lest he make off with the contents of the community chest, rape Cub Scouts, and steal hot stoves.

Just the wisdom of the common people, borne of centuries of experience with popularity contest winners like Barry.

Obsessive worship of these Cub Scout-raping, grasping, thieving, arrogant sonzabitches – which you're displaying – is wingnuttery achieving the limits of sheer glorious gaudiness, and a delight to watch. Totally brainfucked, ain'tcha?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:15 am

Nah. I suspect he got grunted out in Mombasa because he's been unwilling – probably unable – to prove that he'd been born in Honolulu.

If he coulda, by now he woulda. So it's pretty obvious that he can't.

Jeez, all this jerking off he's doing, when all he has to do is put the fucking COLB physically into the hands of a judge. So why hasn't he done that?

Questions, questions, questions – and Barry doesn't dare answer any of 'em, does he?

And yeah, that's the essence of science. Defining what you don't know for certain is how you determine where you've got to investigate.

Rat-boy, you trying to pretend that you understand scientific method? Aw! How cute!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:17 am

Nah. Like I said, I'm retailing comments made by other folks who've looked at the “all the paper birth certificates are gone” line of bafflegab. I didn't think it up myself.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:41 am

Sure. Government employees would lie to a private citizen just to keep in practice. What about the relationship between tax payers and tax consumers seems to escape you? The “public servant” is to be trusted precisely to the extent that the private citizen can keep an eye on him, and no further.

I'm not saying that the COLB supposedly used to produce those images in June 2008 is a fake. I'm saying that the friggin' thing should be put into the hands of competent and objective forensic documents examiners prepared to testify under oath as to their evaluation of that document. If it exists at all.

I don't know that it's a fake. I don't even know that it exists. Those images could certainly be faked, right? So when you've got something doubtful – the image of that document – go right to the original and put that under scrutiny. Common sense, nothing more.

And, no, I've never said dot-one about the stupid “Kenyan birth certificate” Dr. Taitz fumbled over. That one showed false the moment it appeared. Even Polarik spotted it and said it was fraudulent the moment it showed up online.

As for me going to “arrest the President,” be assured (a) that I would leave it in the hands of the duly appointed officers of the law tasked with such a pleasurable duty, probably federal marshals, and (b) if Barry is so arrested, it'll be because he's not the President, but a criminal malefactor usurping that office.

Gawd, Rat-boy, but can you even stand up to make it to the pisser with that huge mass of shit between your ears?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:42 am

Nah. Barry publicly announced his interest in the POTUS position back in 2004. Plenty of time for him to get his fraud on the carnival trail.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:43 pm

To qualify for the public office he holds, Barry doesn’ t have to prove that he’s “an alien plant.”

He does, however, have to qualify as a natural born citizen, and to prove such qualification all he has to do is present a certified and true legal document attesting to his birth in these United States.

Sounds simple, doesn’t it? Millions and millions of Americans do it every day. Routine.

So what’s with Barry Soetoro? He’s supposed to have one – that COLB that allegedly got scanned in June 2008 to make those images – right?

So what the hell is he holding out for?

Sounds like he’[s pretty stupid, doesn’t it? Or is he just lying his ass off, and knows that he hasn’t got a real COLB any more than he’s got anything in the Hawaii state government archives that could possibly prove he’d been born in Honolulu?

You wanna check into that, Blue?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:43 am

Your head, Rat-boy? All that shit, packed in so very, very tight…

Well, flesh and bone can only stand so much, y'know.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:50 am

In what court of law, Rat-boy? To the satisfaction of what squadron of syphilitic socialist scum-suckers?

Not to the satisfaction of millions of American taxpayers, certainly. Not proven by dint of computer graphic images alone, no matter how many times those same silly images are copied and passed around and linked to by shit-for-brains like you, Rat-boy.

Such ghostly bullshit can't be accepted because it's of no substance whatsoever. Ain't proof. Ain't much of anything, except if there proves to be significant variance between what's on an actual “Barack Hussein Obama II” Hawaii state COLB and those JPG images.

Then, Rat-boy, it's evidence of intent to commit fraud, and I suspect a creative prosecuting attorney could convince a Grand Jury that there's a whole shitload of criminal counts upon which to issue warrants galore.

And your Mombasa Messiah will find himself trying to figure out race relations in the general population of a big, crowded, federal penitentiary.

I wish him well of the experience. Betcha he comes out with some nice tattoos thirty or forty years from now.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:54 am

Oh, I wouldn't dignify my surmises with the word “theory,” Rat-boy. I'm just looking at enemy capabilities and trying to assess what they can do on the basis of past performance and observed proclivities. Threat analysis, if you want to call it that. Reliability as best can be managed, with a “trust but verify” caveat at all times.

And the only way you and your Obamaphile ilk could not be liars in all significant regards would be if you thought you could lie more effectively by telling partial truths. Your purpose is deceit, disguise, and giving “cover” for your Mombasa Messiah, and such a purpose requires you to lie.

The truth would kill the miserable sonofabitch, wouldn't it?


RedGraham
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:55 am

UNANIMOUS? I thought there is doubt the Australian BC is legit?


RedGraham
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:55 am

Was it really unanimous?


allenbam
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:01 am

somebody should check out Orly Taitz birth certificate cause 'she' sure as hell looks like a 'he' to me! good god.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:12 am

Unanimous? I thought Ron Paul was going to pass on this vote?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:20 am

Too bad Barry Soetoro doesn't have ONE SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE supporting his contention that he's a “natural born citizen” of these United States.

He's the one, after all, who has the burden of proof. Always did.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:21 am

Nah. The one thing that's reliable about Barry and the Obamaphiles is that they're always going to lie whenever and however they think they can turn lies to their advantage.

Like Planck's constant. You can count on 'em.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

C’mon, Ratatatat, that’s not fair…

To douches… I’m sure they’re quite offended by your last statement, as they should be…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

I wouldn’t dignify them as “theory” either…

I think the phrase we’re looking for here is “lunatic ranting”…


Tired of the Crazy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

“Y’see, Bearass, your problem is that the “birther” thing is based upon a natural, healthy, suspicion on the part of the private citizenry that even the most popular politician is a lying, thieving, pillaging, murdering sonofabitch who must be watched constantly lest he make off with the contents of the community chest, rape Cub Scouts, and steal hot stoves.”

And yet how many of these same people viewed Bush/Cheney, the 2000 and 2004 elections, and all that followed with fervor, zeal, and an utterly lack of anything other than blind faith and conformity? Since Nixon, the Republican Party has been moving more and more into realms of faith, because god knows, any intelligent, critical examination of their ideology, practices and intentions reveals massive duplicity in the service of one thing: power. Power by any means they think they can get away with.

Most Republicans who make it to high office despise the voters who got ‘em there, and scruple at screwing them no more than they scruple at screwing any other ordinary resident of the US of A. Unless you give millions (or do something equally large for them) you’re just a vote on the hoof, to be lied to and conned till they get that vote. And after that…well, whatever happens to you, you deserve it! Because you were stupid enough to elect them in the first place! Neglecting, of course, that their massive voter fraud over the last decade has resulted in millions of votes being lost in two Presidential elections, and numerous House and Senate ones, too.

Just so Cheney can run an un-sanctioned assassination ring through the Vice President’s office, in defiance of law, morality, ethics, common sense, and the Constitution of the United States. I never took seriously the rumors around Senator Paul Wellstone’s supposed assassination (or the character assassination of Gary Condit) or any of the other high-profile, popular, liberal Democrats who got scragged or shut down between 2000 and, what, 2004. Till I heard about that. In a world where people kill for pennies, and the rule and revenue of the most powerful nation on the planet is at stake…well, let’s just say…I have no idea if it’s true; I pray it isn’t; but I’ve seen no proof either way; and given what’s at stake, and who’s playing the game, I’d hardly be shocked to learn all that was done deliberately.

And yeah, I know by saying this, I’ve got a lot of people thinking I’m nutso, too. But hey, this country out-paces insanity every day, though less so since Jan. 20, 2009. If only just.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

No, I’m not even partially brainfucked… to the contrary, the reason I’ve got you all worked up is because I’m the kind of antagonist you dread, one possessed of a) a mind capable of logical thought, and b) a predisposition to research my arguments before making them… you can’t piss me off, and you can’t beat me on the facts… better men than you have tried…

IOW, I’m what you’d call an independent thinker… you’d actually be quite surprised as to my political leanings; hell, once upon a time a staffer for Barry Goldwater Junior tried to talk me into interviewing for a job as a speechwriter for him (but I was working as an assistant golf pro at the time, and really loved my job)… this staffer had met me while I was volunteering in the Linwood Holton campaign for the Senate in Virginia, the one that John Warner won, back in the late 70s…

Just a little anecdote to disabuse of the notion that I’m some hard-core lefty… you don’t have the first clue where I’m coming from…


hypatiab7
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:11 am

When you can provide proof of your nonsensical claims, I'll comment on what you say. Up until now, you haven't really said anything.

http://www.skeeterbitesreport.com/2009/08/lette…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:17 am

Always playing the “racist” card. Tsk. Well, shit. It's the only thing your Messiah Central is emailing you “left-wing bloggers” anymore, isn't it?

“Call 'em racists! Then when they deny it, call 'em racists some more! And if they're not racists – and most of 'em don't give a damn about our Messiah's skin color – keep calling 'em racists! Shit, we got nothing else!”

So any content in your bit of blather? Nah, nothing but the “race” card. Yawn! Messiah Central, hiring the handicapped….


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:49 am

All I've seen in your posts, Tuci, is drooling paranoia and something that smells suspiciously like bovine fecal matter…

And of course, the profanity that is always the hallmark of a limited intellect…

But hey, get back to me if that limited intellect ever comes up with something vaguely resembling an actual point… LOL…

And now, we've established that I can even insult you with considerably more style and wit than you're capable of mustering… how inadequate you must feel about now, and even more filled with rage than is your norm…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:58 am

Well, Bearass, what you find in anything you read depends to a great extent on what you bring to the reading experience. Have you anything of substance regarding this “birth certificate” issue, or are you fucking around here to no purpose other than to obfuscate and deflect, like a good little Obamaphile?

And you can insult, Bearass? Those were insults you were trying to pass? Japes? Badinage? Personalities?

Ooh, sorry. I may occasionally walk on muddy surfaces, but apart from keeping my footing, I don't really pay much attention to the muck.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

Thank you for the confirmation that you survived. I was afraid the world would be missing another racist that self-imploded.


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:34 am

And you don't have ONE SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE (whee, typing in all caps sure is FUN, isn't it??) that he isn't… if you did, you'd undoubtedly beat us all over the head with it, while undoubtedly spicing it up with a series of F-bombs to impress with what a baaaaad man you are…

But no, he doesn't have any “burden of proof”, he has already produced a document which says quite clearly at the bottom of it that it constitutes prima facie evidence of his citizenship in a court proceeding… this document has been pronounced genuine by officials of the state of Hawaii, and has been examined by third parties who also attest to its bonafides, so spare me your “all we've seen are graphical images of it” crapola…

If you don't know what “prima facie” means, by all means, look it up…

Obama's citizenship has been clearly established, except for paranoids– like yourself– who wouldn't believe it if he posted video of his birth online, complete with commentary from the delivering physician…

You have in this very thread assured me that your posts are filled with facts, when am I going to start seeing some?? To believe your asinine assertions, we'd have to believe a series of perfectly ridiculous propositions:

1) Obama's mother lied about where he was born, and the state of Hawaii has gone along with her lie…

2) The two major Hawaiian newspapers at the time were in on the conspiracy, as they both printed birth announcements saying he was born there… this would mean that somehow, a vast conspiracy to conceal his true nationality was conceived as far back as WHEN HE WAS BORN… which is rather impossible, since those birth announcements were routinely sent to those newspapers by the hospital where the birth took place via the Department of Health, not by the parents (parents had the option of paying for a fuller, more detailed birth announcement too)… be advised that current officials of both newspapers have confirmed that the birth announcements did indeed come from the Department of Health, not from parents or grandparents…

So now, you'd have to believe that some Hawaiian hospital, and the Department of health, all the way back in 1961,for some unexplained reason agreed to help further this conspiracy by sending the papers a bogus birth announcement…

3) Current Hawaiian state officials have examined the “long form” certificate that you clamor to see twice now, and both times pronounced it genuine… given that these are the employees of a REPUBLICAN governor's administration, it's quite stupid to tell yourself that they would also be willing to help Obama by lying for him… these officials include Chiyome Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, and Alvin Onaka, the Registrar of Statistics…

These are some of those “facts” I was talking about, Tuci, and you have offered nothing to counter any of them… these facts clearly support the validity of the Certificate of Birth that Obama offered up as proof of his American citizenship… so in spite of your belligerent claims, he has indeed offered ONE SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE supporting his contention that he's a “natural born citizen” of these United States…

Back to you, oh foul-mouthed champion of the wingnut…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

Speculation that Obama is hiding something is not positive evidence of anything.

Prove your position or kindly STFU. Your point has been re-stated numerous times with the same result. You have no case.


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:38 am

Guess you haven't actually READ the Certificate of Live Birth that Obama posted online… if you had, and had bothered to scroll all the way to the bottom of it, you'd read this (I'll post it in all caps for you, since I know how you love that sort of thing):

THIS COPY SERVES AS PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF THE FACT OF BIRTH IN ANY COURT PROCEEDING

So clearly, the document he provided online WOULD stand up in a court of law as proof of his citizenship… sorry, you fail again…

In the short time I've known you, I've come to recognize that if you're good at any one thing, it's failure… LOL…

Before I wrap this up, I'd just love to ask you a question– why do you arrogantly dismiss the Hawaiian officials as “RINO politicians”, and why would they “weasel” on behalf of Obama??

Could it be because you have to dismiss them, diminish their credibility whether or not the criticism is legitimate, because they've shot down your comical little conspiracy theory??


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

Why would Barack show it to a judge? We have been over this. If the judge says something you don’t like, you just call him/her a liar. That has been what you and the birthers have done every step of the way. One theory bites the dust and three more conflicting ones replace it.


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:45 am

Uhhh, it he “gets the hook”, it's Hello, President Biden…

Chew on that for a while, zealot… ROTFLMAO…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

Perhaps you did not see the COLB. It says Obama was born in Honolulu right there.

We’ll just chalk that one up to senility I suppose.


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:51 am

You “don't know that it's a fake”, Tuci??

I'm startin' to suspect you're lacking in the honesty department… you sneeringly dismiss the “RINO” officials of the State of Hawaii who attest to its veracity, and accuse them of “weaselling” (with no proof whatsoever to back the claim up), clearly it's your deeply held belief that the document is a forgery…

It's sad that you're not even honest enough to admit to THAT, when it's clear in your every post…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

There is no reason to put his birth certificate in front of a judge beyond what he may have already done.

Barack is the president. The burden is on you if you have evidence he is not qualified. No matter how much you whine and beg, that is your hurdle. If it is true, then you should not have any trouble finding positive evidence to that effect.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

You are apparently projecting. Extremists like yourself often mingle with like-minded folks – which might explain why you would hear such murderous and objectifying nazi language.

I normally only come into contact with sane people – outside of this forum (and a few muttering kooks on the sidewalk) where I have had the pleasure of meeting someone like yourself.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

“both of you”? You have no idea what you are talking about. I think your tinfoil hat is interfering with your own ability to read my mind.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:06 am

It's only Barry Soetoro who needs “ONE SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE” to make this “birther” business go away as he needs it to, Bearass.

A physical, certified true copy of his “long-form” birth certificate or even the real, print-on-paper 2007 COLB from which we're supposed to believe those computer graphic images were scanned in June 2008.

He puts either of those documents before a judge – or both of 'em, for preference – and the judge gets expert witness testimony from a panel of forensic documents examiners as to their “genuineness or non-genuineness.”

If they come back and swear under oath that they're kosher, Barry's proven his qualification, the matter is res adjudicata, and you Obamaphiles can go back to masturbating peacefully before your worshipful pictures of your Messiah while us constitutionalists go on to find other ways to fuck him up. Very nice, very simple.

But, y'see, the cockroach in Barry's enchilada – and yours, Bearass – is that it doesn't seem that he really has either a birth certificate or a real, print-on-paper COLB that shows he'd been born in Honolulu. And without that, he's what they call “shit outta luck” (SOL).

So I guess the “birthers” – and that includes me, though I don't know anybody else who's active in this line of attack on that socialist sad sack of shit passing himself off as “Barack Hussein Obama II” – are gonna just keep this up as long as it's still fun and still promises to embarass, discomfit, and discommode your Marxist Mahdi.

You ready for that, Bearass?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

Just because you do not have faith in the Republic, does not give you and other nutjobs to destroy it to suit your purposes.

I cannot shake the impression I get from birthers that they would seditiously Revolt against the Republic to produce something more “birther friendly” – like anarchy or a totalitarian state simply because their candidate lost an election fair and square and they are mad about it.

Talk about sore losers.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Why all the obsession with “shit”. You post it everywhere. Very odd. Have you seen a psychologist, man? Seriously, you have about a thousand references to “shit” in this forum. Do you think that word is devastating or something? Ooooh. You really tore my argument to pieces with your scatalogical rantings. Lol.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:19 am

No, I don't know whether or not the supposed 2007 COLB allegedly used to create those computer graphic images in June 2008 is a fake. Or if it ever existed. Computer graphic images aren't really terribly difficult to fabricate. My grandson's PlayStation creates such images all the time, together with sound effects and music.

It is dishonest to observe this? How?

As for the RINO officials of the state of Hawaii, I despise and dismiss virtually all members of the Republican Party, local to state to national. There are a very few I respect, and this is why I cannot say that I despise them all, as I do all National Socialist (formerly “Democrat”) Party politicians and functionaries. I seen no merit whatsoever in the majority of those on either side of the bipartisan Boot-On-Your-Neck Party.

Whyever should I?

And what proof is necessary to suppose that the RINO “go along to get along” politicians and bureaucrats are weaseling? What is their usual and customary response to any threatening situation? They weasel.

Rain falls from the sky. Grass grows. “The Malevolent Jobholder” weasels. The nature of a thing predictably anticipates that which the thing does.

Safe – if pessimistic – supposition, and when one finds oneself rarely in the wrong, it's a pleasurable surprise.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:22 am

Oh, yeah. I've had to come to grips with Hairplug Joe as POTUS. If you knew the Delaware Plagiarist as I do, you'd not be laughing at all. He's a fully squared-away cement-head (even truly, physically brain-damaged).

But at least he's constitutionally qualified to hold the office, absolutely no doubt. Born in Scranton, birth certificate on file in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Annenberg gives money to factcheck.org. I do not care who else they give money to. That is just a form of ad-hominem attack. Guilt by association.

Now, if you go to their site, it is plain to see that their arguments stand on their own.

You go to WND and you will see partisan advertisements supporting the very political view they forward in their articles. Again, there is no comparisson between the two. Even the suggestion by you that WND is higher quality is laughable.

You can post whatever inane reply you want. I may or may not reply as you are starting to bore me with your stupid repetitive posts that continue to deny reality.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:40 am

I've read and examined the images of what is supposed to have been a Certification of Live Birth issued to one “Barack Hussein Obama II” in 2007. I am aware of the contents of those images.

But the image of a thing is not the thing itself. An image of a COLB, however good, is not the print-on-paper, signed and sealed, authentic and true legal document.

You getting that, Bareass? Such an image is “prima facie evidence” of nothing whatsoever. It's an image. Images can be fabricated. Legal documents? Not so easy. They're made to be difficult to counterfeit, and with features that make it relatively easy to discern unauthorized alterations.

If the images are an honest that the 2007 COLB had existed in June 2008, then it's reasonable to say that this COLB may yet be in Barry Soetoro's possession or control, and that he can get another COLB from the government of the state of Hawaii today. Therefore he should have no trouble whatsoever putting such a certified and true legal document physically into the hands of a judge or other officer of the court this morning. Or on Monday. Or at any time in the next week.

You can type in capital letters all you like, Bearass, but that no more makes your “PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE” statement true or reliable than do those computer graphic images of a legal document serve to prove even the existence of a real, physical, legal document that can be touched and handled and evaluated by competent forensic documents examiners prepared to testify under oath as to its “genuineness or non-genuineness.”

And “RINO politicians” are nominal Republicans who side much of the time with theri National Socialist (formerly “Democrat”) Party nominal opponents, almost always to screw the average citizen in a “bipartisan” spirit of collusion. This is why it is commonly best to think of both Republicans and National Socialists as wings of one, big, permanently incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party, which certainly captures their policies, procedures and overall attitude toward the people of this nation.


cynicalforareason
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:40 am

That Tuci78 guy was obviously dropped on his head as a child….Nothing like a stupid person proud of their stupidity…LOL!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

*I want to see Lou Dobbs MOTHER AND FATHERS ORIGINAL MARRIAGE LIC. THAT
WOULD PROVE ONE THING TO ME.*
*But, I already know, So for me, I can be just a stuborn as he is…….*


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

Oh, trust me, elsbeth, I know… in fact, Tuci is a walking, breathing cliche, a classic example of the mouthbreathing, knuckledragging right wing reactionary… I've run across his type many times before…

But God help me, sometimes I have SUCH fun baiting those types… it's my dream to one day cause one of them to stroke at as they're banging away at their keyboards, cranking out a rage-filled response to my bait…

I'm a Bear of simple pleasures…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

And yet, you're still trying, with all your impotent might, to get Obama out of office…

Curiouser and curiouser…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

I see, you expect him to come around to your house and personally hand you his COLB, so that you can be satisfied as to its bonafides…

How comically arrogant of you… Hawaiian officials have attested to the fact that the COLB that Obama posted online is a copy of the one they sent them, IOW is legitimate…

And I've been typing in all capital letters because I thought you liked it when folks do that… LOL…

Finally, don't be so foolish as to think you can “educate” me as to what a RINO is… trust me when I say I'm quite well-informed politically… but you don't know the political records of any of the Hawaiian politicians that you're defaming with that record (at least, I'm confident that I know more about Linda Lingle than you do, in fact I'll wager you couldn't have told the governor's name if challenged to do so, if I hadn't already written it down for you)…

BTW, “Bearass”?? Did you think that up all by yourself??

You're probably not even in the first 1000 antagonists I've had that thought they could anger me with that lame attempt at an insult… all you accomplish by calling me that is to let me know that I'm pissin' you off…

Which is, of course, sweet music to my ears… seems I don't have to resort to insults to piss you off, all I have to do is club you senseless with the facts… the only way you could insult me is if a) you were someone I cared about, or b) you were someone whose opinion I respected… please accept my sincere assurances that you're neither… to the contrary, I wear the contempt of ignorant pissants like yourself as a badge of honor…

You'd REALLY be consumed with rage if you knew how much FUN I'm having punkin' you…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:16 pm

Actually, Obama doesn't need it to go away at all… the only people who are buying into the birther crapola are the hard core right wing zealots who didn't vote for him the last time around, and would never THINK of voting for him the next time around… so he loses nothing by keeping y'all foaming at the mouth…

But he most assuredly GAINS something– he makes you paranoid zealots the face of the GOP, in the process turning moderates away from your party…

Which is basically the same reason he went after Rush Limbaugh some months back; he wants to paint the Republican Party as a party of extremists, and guys like you are helping him do exactly that…

Way to go, zealot…keep up the good work… LOL…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:19 pm

I suspect you “despise and dismiss” virtually everything in your life, Tuci… indeed, you strike me as a miserable sociopath who even despises yourself, deep down…

Must suck to be you…

I must say, though, I can relate to the comment about “when one finds oneself rarely in the wrong” (in spite of the lousy syntax)…

LOL… you crack me up, hoss…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

So, those birth announcements dated 1961 in those Hawaiian newspapers were really posted there in 2004…

WOW, if Nixon had been that good holding a conspiracy together, his head would probably be on Mount Rushmore today!!!

Why wouldn't you want a man that brilliant running our country, Tuci?? Are you just a big fan of incompetence a la Dubya??


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:23 pm

You might be a racist, you might not, I don't know… and I don't care…

What you have established to my satisfaction is that you're a paranoid whack job…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

Actually, when confronted with any issue, I do research, and ascertain the facts… then, when I jump into the argument, I can back my position up with quotes from those who are in the know…

You really should try it sometime…

And yes, those were insults, I'm sorry if they were beyond your grasp… I suspect most readers of this thread got a chuckle out of them, though…

Far more than get a laugh out of your feeble scatalogical attempts at ad hominem…


SilverBear
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

Throwing manure… hmmmm, isn't that what monkeys do at the zoo??

It's nice that you recognize your level of competence, hoss… Clint Eastwood was right, a man's got to know his limitations…


Tired of the Crazy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

Some observations: every time you call the Democratic Party the “National Socialist” Party, a half-dozen minds you might have reached slam shut. There's such a thing as going too far, even rhetorically.

Especially because–if one looks beyond the word in the name, and a couple guys early on in the party's history (who were all dead and gone by the Night of the Long Knives at the latest) there's not a damn thing about the Nazi Party that would remotely qualify as Socialist…or even Left at any point on the spectrum.

In my personal opinion, they should not even really be called Right; like Stalin, they were Power. Period. They used the tools that happened to get them where they wanted to go. In Hitler's case, he used more tools typically associated with “Right” ideology; in Stalin's case, the “Left” and of course, he got his start in a country founded on principles that might be called the most extreme version thereof.

Also, the comment above about 'Barry and the Obamaphiles is that they're always going to lie whenever and however they think they can turn lies to their advantage' is pure projection. Neither major party is clean, but the Republicans–in terms of verified false statements–are way, way worse than the Democrats. Especially since Obama was elected…but even before that, it's been building at a frightening rate since Bush II; and before that, since the post-Eisenhower years.

Now for the “controversy” at hand: President Obama has met the burden of proof: he has allowed independent experts to examine the document, and is backed by a number of credible sources.

If he were to magically go from house to house in one night, like Santa Claus, with his long-form cert, six eye-witnesses and a signed letter from Christ himself stating that he was born in Hawaii (and is a Christian to boot,) there would be people for whom this failed to suffice. They'd still cavil, doubt, question, yell, niggle, and fail to listen, reason, or come to honest conclusions about his legitimacy as President (most of whom had no problem with the awful shadiness of the 2000 or 2004 elections, of course, since their guy won) or his status as a Christian.

The Hawaiian certificate is legitimate–all the little things people pointed screaming “It's a fake!” have utterly convincing reasons for being the way they are, as part of an utterly true, real, correct and legit Birth Certificate of its kind. Forging a document that stands up to any kind of scrutiny is hard work. It's not as easy as plugging in a PlayStation and looking at the pretty pictures…as the people who forged Ms. Tait's fake Kenyan certificate found out. And as for those who claim this is some piece of cointelpro, designed to discredit and splinter the birther movement…hell. We on the side of sanity and truth in this issue have no need to discredit the birthers; they do it so well on their own. My bet would be people trying to make a little cash. Or some birther idiot who thinks it's the right thing to do, on the grounds that he KNOES DA TROOTH and is merely…anticipating it.


Tired of the Crazy
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

Where was the comment calling you a racist? I don't see one in this immediate exchange, though it appears you do.


Steve X
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

Nope, there's no doubt about it. That Australian BC is definitely legit. Comparing the two side by side, it's obvious that the person who created the forgery knew that Taitz was actually stupid enough to fall for it.

If she ever decides to show her face stateside again, it'll be fun to watch her explain to the nice federal judge why she tried to pass off an obviously forged document as evidence in her non-existent case. The fact that she got this thing from an “anonymous source” (aka eBay) with know way to verify it means that she'll be suspended from the practice of law by dinnertime.

Now that the entire world knows how gullible she is, I wouldn't be surprised if even more “Kenyan” birth certificates suddenly appeared out of thin air.


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Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

I called him a racist for using racist epithets like “poverty pimp”, saying Obama was in a “monkey house” (comment may have been deleted by moderators), calling Arabs “sand nazis” and bi-racial blacks “quadroons”.

So Tuci sits there and whines like a little child when he is called precisely what he is – a racist.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Just when I think you cannot type anything more exemplary of bither crazy…you keep posting.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

In the end, that is what Tuci wants. Ultimately he seems to believe he is personally entitled to verify the document himself. Anyone who deems the COLB legitimate is simply a “liar”. One can only imagine what his own conclusion would be at the rejection of all contrary observations…Hmmm…

In the universe, there consist of but two substances – that which is Tuci and that which is not.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

I hope this keeps going until election day, personally. Keep up the bad work.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

You proved my point. Thanks.


Steve X
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

Making fun of birfers is so easy. Their childlike innocence, their bizarro-world conspiracy theories, their conscious decision to ignore reality. I want to tell them that Santa Claus doesn't exist, but they'll just claim that Obama killed him and then demand to see the death certificate.

And I don't mean the official one filed by the county coroner's office, I mean the one that you can buy on eBay from an unknown source. You know, the “real” one (birfers would call it the long form).


republicanstupidity
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

TUSSY THE PUNK ASS RETARD TELL THE NURSE TO CHANGE YOUR DIAPER AND BRING YOUR JELLO WE CAN SEE YOU DUMBASS SLOBBERING ALL OVER THE COMPUTER SCREEN IDIOT CHILDISH MORON


keithmbw
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

@Tuci78, what's your response to the birth announcements in the local Honolulu newspapers that appeared at the time of Obama's birth? It seems to me that they're the “smoking gun” making it vanishingly unlikely he was born elsewhere.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Forget about Taitz. We need to see the alleged Hawaiian original for Obama.

Here are some images showing what Hawaiian “Long Form” Certificates of Live Birth look like.
Here is one side by side with Obama’s “CertiFICATION”

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/upl

A blank one.

http://www.cfourstrategies.com/colb.jpg

Some guy named Alan 1963

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20

One of the Nordyke twins from 1961 (a day after Obama)

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/upl

An anonymous one from 1978. Yep still using the long form in 1978!

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiinBirt

Only doctor signed birth certificate yet to surface for Obama but this could be a forgery.

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/i

Oh, yes, and then there is this “Certification” from 2008 which has not been seen or handled outside of any of the Obama friendly sources that have posted different versions using scans and digital photos posted on line. This is all Obama has ever offered as proof that he was born on US soil. Notice there is no mention of a hospital or the name of any attending physician. Hawaii has now admitted that an original long form exists or have lied and said there is one when there isn’t. Since it has never been posted or released by Obama, there is no way to know what it might say. But here is what Obama’s people offer. Again, Obama’s alleged “CertificATION”of Live Birth (probably a forgery)

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:16 am

Wow a third grader wanted to be president, that’s some eveidence. Lock me up I think I wrote the same paper at my school in SC after the 1972 election. (Voted for Nixon in the Weekly Reader Poll, that must make me a flaming lib)


hypatiab7
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

Which is why I told him that I would not respond to him again unless he
wrote something that makes sense or actually proves something. So, he
had the nerve to send a message to me in my personal e-mail stating
the same crap. I'm not only not responding to him at all now; I'm blocking him from my e-mail altogether. He isn't worth the time/ bother. He refuses
to look at both sides of any issue he disagrees with and is outright insulting. He doeesn't really want to discuss the 'birth certificate issue; he
just wants to bully people into agreeing with him in his own little Tucciverse.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:34 am

Naw, independent thought is clearly not your strong suit…

All you’re good for is mindlessly disgorging the right wing propaganda you feed on…

You probably think that being called a “Dittohead” is a good thing, don’t you??


Anonymous
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:37 am

I expect to hear “subhuman” when I’m talking with one of ‘em…

Here, have a banana…


Brewlord
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:08 am

Brother please, somehow I think if he did show it to a judge, you,d just claim the judge was in on the conspiracy since 1961, or probably wasn't a “real” (by your brain dead standard) judge. You'll just keep moving the goalpost until they're on fucking Pluto. (Btw not a planet anymore, probably a conspiracy there,too. Why don't you chowderheads go investigate that shit


Jess Wonderin
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:30 am

OMFG . . . deliver us from fools . . . . . amen


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 7:31 am

Chuckle! Never heard of “division of labor economy,” Bearass? Some people do some things very well, others do other things, and in society these people come together to take advantage of each other’s expertise.

That another man takes the time and makes the effort to dive deeply into the puzzling noise of the Hawaiian state bureaucrats about how – suddenly – all the paper birth records had disappeared, then “Oh, no, we’ve still got them!” then “Only the short-form COLB’s will be issued or accepted” when in the past “No, you gotta have the long-form birth certificate to prove you’re entitled to native Hawaiian benefits”…

No surprise.

I mean, it’s wonderfully funny. Bureaucrats weaseling and back-and-fill-ing and sputtering and stammering, all the while watching in their mind’s eye those big red neon letters “Career Death!” flashing on and off.

And, hell, “independent thought” is what I do. Those theocrats and neocons on “the right wing” hate the living hell out of me and other “Jesus Christ, they’re pro-choice on EVERYTHING!” folks like me.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 7:32 am

Thanks, no. I’m cutting down on potassium.

Got an apple?


Jess Wonderin
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Dear Fellow Christian Patriot

I am Kenya Prince in exile.

I have kopy of Obama KENYA BIRTH certifikate in safe box at bank under your name. I fear for
my life and want to sent it to you for safety keping.

Please send bank information and address to me so I can pay small bank and ship fee to send
box to you for sayfe keep. This is imporatnt and I pray you keep it seckret until box safe at
your home. Tell no one.

In God name I send peace and lobe that we expose thsi great danger.

Sincerly
Dr Jumalla Obenteabaggin,
Prince In Exile, Logos, Nigeria


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 3:38 am

I'm fully aware of the temptations offered to any judge luckless enough to be unable to avoid hitting Mr. Soetoro with a subpoena duces tecum. It's the kind of thing an honest but plodding jurist dreads like a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer. To one of a corruptible disposition…

Well, certainly I can conceive of a judge throwing in with Barry Soetoro. The wages of sin may be death, but as long as death can be put off, sin can be quite lucrative.

But if such a judge engages the attentions of a panel – three or four or five – individuals whose professional training and personal reputations pivot upon their expertise as qualified forensic documents examiners, and secures from them sworn attestations as to their findings and opinions upon the evaluation of such a COLB, and no Byzantine lawyer games are played to obfuscate such expert witness findings, then what these individuals report can be made public.

This will end the drive-by media “root weevils” endless covering chorus of “kook” and “crank” and “truther” (all of which are names offered in efforts to dismiss rather than to address the quite legitimate concerns of the “birther” as to the gadabout personal and family history of the very cosmopolitan Barry Soetoro) and take up something of great substance.

Which the images lack. They have no substance, and pretending that they do isn't getting the Obamaphiles anywhere.

By all means, let us progress to substantive information. Let us look to shore up what proof there is. If that 2007 COLB exists, let it go into the hands of a judge and thence under the magnifying glasses and keen eyes of reputable experts in physical evidence who are willing to swear under oath as to what they find.

Can you Obamaphiles get behind that?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 8:51 am

Tsk. Missed out on some of that research, Bearass.

Simple incidental insult is not argumentum ad hominem, which is a logical fallacy.

Hm. Is this something uniform as a failing among you Obamaphiles? Thus far, I seem to have read every one of you assholes incorrectly dropping “ad hominem” as if you really thought you were demonstrating literacy.


SilverBear
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:28 am

He probably wants to get his hands on it so he can tear it up, and eat it…

Then, of course, he'll continue to demand that Obama produce it…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:57 am

What would I want with a visit from Barry Soetoro, come 'round to my house to “personally hand [me] his COLB, so that [I] can be satisfied as to its bonafides”? I'm not an officer of the court, or a trained and experienced forensic documents examiner.

Were Barry Soetoro to drop by so obligingly, I'd dig out a rape kit (I keep a couple of them in the office, in case I'm obliged to run the chain-of-evidence gamut should a patient present in such a condition) and scavenge such materials as would be useful to seal off that COLB and begin the attestation process to ensure that its provenance from my hands would be documented.

Then I'd call the county sheriff's office and the local police, as well as an attorney to seek their counsel on what should be done to get that COLB into the custody of such forensic documents examiners as might be prepared to begin the evaluative process.

Hot potato, by God.

No one called upon to testify as an expert witness – and I have – is ever “arrogant” about that kind of thing, Bearass.

As for how well or ill informed you might be – “politically” or otherwise, Bearass, I have learned in these exchanges that it is impossible to underestimate the illiteracy, obtuseness, mendacity, or sheer evil of the committed Obamaphile. Should you prove variant from that safe baseline estimation, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

But I'm not in expectation of an outlier in your case. Seems you're trending robustly to the norm…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:07 am

Oh, Rat-boy. What do I want?

Gold, rifles, the head of the bashaw in a basket of melons, the sovereignty of my people.

Not much. A constitutional government, first and foremost, with emphasis on the enforcement of the Bill of Rights.

And I do not consider myself “personally entitled to verify the document” under discussion, any more than I would consider myself personally entitled to hammer a hole into the head of a patient to drain an epidural hematoma if I can get my hands on an experienced surgeon quickly enough to do the job with less risk.

In a “desert island” situation, I'd have to try, but I've got some pretty good cutters hitherabouts.

No, I'd simply do my damnedest to get that COLB under the eyes and in the hands of a trustworthy officer of the court to begin the process of verification. As I'd written above, hot potato.

But am I “entitled” to ask of Barry Soetoro that he turn such a legal document over – physically – for such evaluation?

Certainly. I'm a citizen of these United States. I suspect that even a non-citizen of this country could make the same demand. It's not as if I do so on the basis of any power I might have as an officer of civil government, for I have not been an officer of the federal government for more than thirty years now.

The authority is merely vested in the U.S. Constitution, to which both Barry and I have sworn very similar oaths to defend.

I was sincere when I took that oath. Was Barry?

Well, like millions of other Americans today, I have my doubts.

So, almost certainly, do you, Rat-boy.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:11 am

Er, you're locked into either paranoid ideation, putzie, or you've mistaken the function of this Web site, which will – if you trigger the “Subscribe to all comments” check when you post a message on these fora – forward to your email address full and complete copies of the messages appearing in the comments section of the article to which you'd posted.

You're not blocking me from your email, but rather all the material The Washington Independent had been forwarding to you.

Jeez, cop a clue, can'tcha?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:33 am

Nah. A mind already shut – say, among the partisans of the National Socialist (formerly “Democrat”) faction of the big, bipartisan, permanently incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party (their motto: “If voting could really change anything, we'd make it illegal!”) – doesn't “snap” into any condition. It's frozen as solidly as the surface of Pluto.

There's always the virtue of explicit and honest language, especially among those who weasel.

As for scholarship and research on the nature, language, doctrines, and practices of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (abbreviated in German NSDAP) there is no doubt whatsoever that they were not only nationalist and German, but thoroughly socialist in the bargain. Rather rabidly so.

Bear in mind that socialism is a pleomorphic pathogen, adaptable to many psychotic, evil, anti-human purposes. It started as socialism of Robert Owens' cooperative movement and Leroux' De l'humanité, churns into Marx's and Engels' “scientific socialism,” to the “populist” and “progressive” socialist strains of the American midwest in the latter half of the 19th Century, to the complete takeover of America's Democratic Party in 1912.

The last group of real Jeffersonian – as opposed to socialist – Democratic Party politicians on the national scale in America were the “Bourbon Democrats,” exemplified by the last good president we had, Grover Cleveland. Since then…

Well, the expression “in the toilet” is too charitable.

The Republicans, to whatever contrast might be desired, have been for shit since their inception. Perhaps the last decent thing these people had done while in power was perhaps the Civil Rights Act of 1866.

Might've been the first, too. Hm. Yep. Make that the only decent thing the Republican Party has ever done.

Back to Barry.

Okay. IFThe Hawaiian certificate is legitimate” – the COLB supposedly used to create those computer graphic images in June 2008 – then Barry can reasonably be expected to produce that “legitimate” document, put it into the hands of even his worst and most hate-filled political enemies (and he'd better do it in front of witnesses!) and allow them to get the damned thing evaluated by experts in forensic evidence.

He can do this without fear, without hesitation, without trepidation.

He's safe as houses.

Right, Tired?

So why don't you pass the word up to him, via your Obamaphile email connection Messiah Central, and advise him to do so, okay?

Get back to us once you've done that. Fine.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:41 am

Miserable? Much of the time. I am a married man, after all. But a sense of humor gets one through the miseries quite satisfactorily. I just try really hard not to let the wife catch me smiling at her.

But never a “sociopath.” Not possible. Society is the process in which the killer apes of our species manage to live together, work cooperatively, aid and support each other, truck and barter, buy and sell, gossip and play away our lives without slaughtering each other.

I love society. It's just government I regard as a malignantly overgrown cancerous accretion requiring massive debridement if society is not to be killed by it.


“Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first a patron, the last a punisher.

– Thomas Paine, Common Sense (1776)


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:49 am

Nah. Those were obstetrical forceps marks. Back in those days, the baby-catchers seemed to think they were practicing dentistry instead of managing the second stage of labor.

By the time I got my training, the preceptors were emphasizing the use of those forceps blades as a kind of “crash helmet” for the presenting or aftercoming fetal cranium, upon which you get a nice handle, “and if I ever catch you holding that handle with more than just your fingertips, Doctor, I'm gonna haul you out of my delivery room and bounce you off the walls a couple of times!”

Good old Doc W. Mean sonfabitch. Scared the living hell out of three whole generations of medical students, but all of us learned how to handle a delivery.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:53 am

Well, as they say, the choice between bad (Biden) and worse (Soetoro) is a helluva lot more significant even than the choice between bad (choose any National Socialist) and good (Ron Paul).

Besides, watching Barry Soetoro get perp-walked out of the White House in chains would – even in Hairplug Joe's case – result in a chastened, restrained, terrified and demoralized Delaware Plagiarist.

King Log rather than King Stork. Get my meaning?


ziploked
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 8:40 am

Arguing with a fool only proves there are two of you. Let it go, SilverBear. You can't win an argument against insanity. Many have tried, week after week, only to have Tuci, Randwulf, and the like repeatedly pop-up to spew their nonsense. Just ignore them, and hopefully they'll go plague another site.


msdaisy
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:07 am

You people are seriously delusional. The level of ignorance of some people in this country is absolutely frightening. The question is are you truly as stupid as you appear on these threads or are you grasping in desperation at this Birther nonsense because the truth is you are all just racist bigots and can’t stand the thought of a black man as POTUS? If any of you would like to see exactly how your diatribe looks to people who actually live in the sane world, just look at this video of your movement leader Orly Taitz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD4X25eoFQo&eurl…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:27 am

Hm? Are you addressing the Obamaphiles? They're the only “delusional” folks participating in these exchanges, the only posters pushing “ignorance” and “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

The “Birther” contention is simply that Barry Soetoro (alias “Barack Hussein Obama II”) has a rather, ah, cosmopolitan personal and family history, unique in all the history of all the candidates standing for (much less all the individuals elected to) the presidency of these United States, and there's long been reason to doubt that he qualifies as a “natural born citizen” (see Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution) to occupy the office he currently holds.

Were he named Sven Johansson, blue-eyed and blond-haired instead of mostly Arab and white with a bit of Luo tribesman thrown in to make him nominally “black,” and his mom had been the sort of gadabout girl Stanley Ann Dunham had been in the months prior to and following little Barry's vaginal exit, there would be just as much reason to secure some tangible, certified, detailed manifest supporting his rather dubious contention that he'd been grunted out in a delivery room in Honolulu instead of in the Maternity Ward of the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Zanzibar (and now in the nation of Kenya). His “race” – white, Arab, Luo tribesfolk – has nothing to do with it.

Are you curious, daisy, about how your Obamaphile contentions look to the millions of average Americans who put forth their own print-on-paper, signed and sealed, physical birth certificates as a matter of routine when called upon to verify their identities for purposes as commonplace as renewing their drivers' licenses?

It looks like Barry Soetoro is hiding something that he knows will get his ass perp-walked out of the White House by federal marshals, his wrists handcuffed behind his back, his ankles in fetters, with a cute little belly chain around his waist.

And all of this would go away if only Barry would hand his birth certificate over to a judge – or authorize the state government of Hawaii to release their vault archival vital statistics records (the ones upon which that 2007 COLB had been uttered) to full public scrutiny.

Well, it would go away if Barry had actually been born in Honolulu.

If not, what will “go away” is Barry.

Isn't that nice?


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msdaisy
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 12:05 pm

Do you seriously think that if any of this were true that McCain would not have been all over it like white on rice during the election? Give me a break! The Hawaiian state health department has verified President Obama’s birth in Hawaii and he is in fact a natural born American citizen, period. It’s just as Robert Gibbs said when asked if there was anything the White House could do to satisfy Birthers that Obama was a legitimately natural born American citizen; he answered “No”, and he’s right!

How many people in this country or around the world no longer have their original birth certificate? People misplace, or lose all sorts of documents throughout their lifetimes. But even if he did still have it and personally mailed a certified copy to every one in this country you wouldn’t believe that either I’m sure, but you do believe an obviously fake Kenyan BC. I’ll bet you are the sort of person that believes the Apollo 11 moon landing was faked too!

Have you seen McCain’s BC? He was really born in Kenya too ya know!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/du…

Back to my original post, did you look at the video link I posted? There you have it all in a nutshell, (pun intended) nuf said.


stevedavis
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 12:41 pm

Steve X, Santa is most assuredly not dead. I know his body is lying in the morgue. I've touched the wound where the spear penetrated him, but there was no death certificate, only something called a “certificate of dead death,” and really that was just a short form.


stevedavis
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

O.k. Tuci, I'll play here for a moment. Let's all pretend that Barack Obama was born in Kenya to an American mother by a Kenyan father. Guess what? Article II of the constitution STILL allows him to be president, just as it allows John McCain to be president, in spite of his having been born on a military base in Panama. Now, this may come as an absolute shock to you, but our military bases are NOT AMERICAN SOIL. They are pieces of other countries that we lease from the sovereign nations that they are built on. Seriously, do you honestly think the Germans would give us pieces of German soil to build our bases on? We're leasing them. But babies born on them to American soldiers and their families are STILL AMERICAN CITIZENS. In fact, if those families drove off-base and had their children in Kenya, they would STILL BE AMERICAN CITIZENS, and they would still be eligible for the presidency. Why? Because Article II demands that presidents be NATURAL BORN, NOT NATIVE BORN. And this is one of the humps that the birther movement, in all its resident stupidity, can't overcome, Even if Barack Obama was born in Kenya, and lived in Kenya through his teenaged years, he would still have been born to an American mother, which means if he determined on achieving his majority to become American rather than Kenyan, he would STILL be eligible for the presidency.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Oh, Crash Test Johnnie? Does anybody “seriously think” that the old Enemy Ace (five tail numbers permanently removed from the BuAer inventory during Johnnie's career as a naval aviator) was nominated to win that farce being passed off as an election last November?

Jeez, it took some real heavy lifting for the RNC and the various other Secret Masters of Corruption in the Red Party hierarchy to keep that goddam Mitt Romney from getting enough votes in the primaries to fuck up their plan to take that dive they needed to pull off.

And if Crash Test Johnnie had secretly been born in Jamaica (his taste in spicy foods at last explained!) to an itinerant leg-spreader who offered him up for adoption by the guy who went on to command Task Force 38, and Johnnie entered his name in all those Rotarian Socialist Party presidential primaries knowing that he was not qualified to do so, I'd be perfectly delighted to see him two cells down from Barry Soetoro in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary.

I think the one right next to Barry ought to be allocated to Dubbya, don't you?

As for what of Barry's vital statistics records he or his mom or his grandmom might've lost in their peregrinations over the decade, there is obviously something in the vault of the government of the state of Hawaii.

Why not drag all that “long-form” stuff out into the sunshine and take a look at it?

What is there in that information which putatively had supported the issue to “Barack Hussein Obama II” of a “short-form” summary COLB in 2007?

And, yeah, I clicked the link. What makes you believe that I consider Dr. Taitz my “leader,” anyway?

Oh, here's some YouTube for you.

http://rightsoup.com/new-obama-documentary-a-qu…

“Share and enjoy!”


Randwulf
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

What Hawaiian “Long Form” Certificates of Live Birth look like.
Here is one side by side with Obama’s “CertiFICATION”

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/upl…

A blank one.

http://www.cfourstrategies.com/colb.jpg

Some guy named Alan 1963

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

One of the Nordyke twins from 1961 (a day after Obama)

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/upl…

An anonymous one from 1978. Yep still using the long form in 1978!

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiinBirt…

Only doctor signed birth certificate yet to surface for Obama but this could be a forgery.

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/i…

Oh, yes, and then there is this “Certification” from 2008 which has not been seen or handled outside of any of the Obama friendly sources that have posted different versions using scans and digital photos posted on line. This is all Obama has ever offered as proof that he was born on US soil. Notice there is no mention of a hospital or the name of any attending physician. Hawaii has now admitted that an original long form exists or have lied and said there is one when there isn’t. Since it has never been posted or released by Obama, there is no way to know what it might say. But here is what Obama’s people offer. Again, Obama’s alleged “CertificATION”of Live Birth (probably a forgery)

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…


Randwulf
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

You know. I'm really getting tired of hearing all this “racist” “crazy” “inbred” “delusional” “retarded” etc etc etd ad infinitum ad nauseum. Look at the post below. Obama can't produce a long form. Period. End of fucking story. So you all need to shut up and ask yourselves why he won't do that. Oh and all those terms you hurl at us “truthers”. Well, they fit you better. But we are interested in fact finding, not name calling.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

You're new to this aren't you? The long form. The original copy. The hospital and doctor named. It isn't Sasqwatch we're looking for here. Just a $10 public record. “nuf said” duh!


Randwulf
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

The fools being those who can't answer one single fucking simple question? Those fools? I'll ask you again FOOL. Where is the fucking original birth record?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Interestingly Steve, you can still obtain a photocopy of a death certificate and a marriage certificate from the Hawaiian Vital Statistics if you would like one. They haven't gone “paperless” with THOSE yet. And they don't hide them from the public as they apparently now do with Certificates of Live Birth. Which seems natural since they are intended to be “public records”. Oh and I was told by officials at Hawaiian VS that this policy of “No access to the Certificate of Live Birth originals is a “recent directive from the department head”. I can post their e-mail address for you on this thread if you like. They only answer e-mails part of the time and apparently only when it suits them, and they will only sign them with initials. Pretty freaking squirrely way to run a public records office. Awful lot of vagueness and secrecy.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Good job.


msdaisy
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

Truly, what would be the point of producing any kind of form, including eye witnesses to his actual birth, Birthers would claim it was all lies and forgeries, just as intently as they claim the (proven) forged Kenyan BC to be real. You wouldn’t believe it if you could go back in time and see for yourself. Scary to think of how many people are so hell bent on finding a conspiracy that they have to just invent one and then swear by it.

Just FYI, your movement just had another case thrown out this week. The 10th Circuit court of appeals, consisting of 3 judges, (2 republicans) basically called it groundless and stated; “Thus, Mr. Craig's claim is sufficiently attenuated, insubstantial, and frivolous that the district court's dismissal of this case under Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(b)(1) was not in error.”

But hay, if you have nothing better to do, just knock yourself out and keep going, though I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you…

Live long and prosper…
Daisy


msdaisy
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

Randwulf, You might want to go and have a look for Sasquatch you’ll likely find him before you find proof that Obama was not born in Hawaii.

Live long and prosper…
Daisy


Randwulf
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Or that he WAS born in Hawaii.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

nothing anyone can say or provide will get these delusional racist fools to admit our first biracial president is legitimate.

they keep warbling on and on, proudly displaying their lunacy for all to see.

such is the sad state of the republican party and right wing in america today.


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 12:03 am

Silverbear, I am new here, but I gotta say, I really, really like your inimitatable style! Tuci78 is just not in your league; I salute your command of the facts, not to mention your glib reparte!

Of course, it is almost a SHAME that in any battle if wits, Tuci is woefully underarmed…would love to see you dismantle someone with at least HALF a functioning brain. But then, among the birthers, the pickings are, let’s face it, somewhat slim, don’t you agree?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha! A pleasure to watch you work, Silverbear!

~Johnny-O


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 12:12 am

Ooooohhhh, good BURRRRN! Could’na said it better m’self, laddie!

~Johnny

RATATATAT!


Jess Wonderin
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

We are dealing with mental midgets – hoping and praying that all their racist rants, baseless claims and dreams will come true like a Christmas morning of their youth . . . .


Anonymous
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 12:45 am

Thanks, Johnny-O.


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 12:50 am

My pleasure, pal.


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Johnny-O
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Well, I guess that settles that!

~Johnny-O


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

Btw, MsDaisy – YOU ROCK, girl!

I luv ya already!

~Johnny


elsbeth
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 6:16 am

This issue turning the Independent and the moderate Repubs away. The birfes have no idea of the damage they are inflicting upon themselves. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.

By the way, ANOTHER birfer case was DISMISSED yesterday; Clark v US.


elsbeth
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 6:16 am

This issue turning the Independent and the moderate Repubs away. The birfes have no idea of the damage they are inflicting upon themselves. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.

By the way, ANOTHER birfer case was DISMISSED yesterday; Clark v US.


Steve X
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 1:20 am

From a recent article in the Telegraph (UK):
“Joe Scarborough, a former Republican Congressman who hosts his own cable news show described the “birthers” as “cartoon characters”.

“Instead of trying to actually figure out what's happening to their country, the terrible things that are happening economically to their country,” such people would rather “embrace conspiracy theories,” he said.

He compared the conspiracy theorists to people who believe “the United States government blew up its own buildings and killed its own people on September 11″, or that American astronauts “never landed on the moon.”

Michael Medved, a conservative talk-show host, described the leadership of the so-called “birther” movement as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative impostors.”

They caused terrible damage to the conservative movement, he added. “It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilised company.”
=================================================================

We can add those voices to the other voices from the right, such as Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter (none of whom I normally agree with).

Here's the problem that the birthers face: No evidence exists that Obama was born in Kenya, but they still refuse to believe otherwise. “It could be possible!” they argue. That's technically true.

But a lot of things are possible.

Will I win the lottery? Possibly.

Will I marry a wealthy widow, and never have to work again? Possibly.

Are the Republican Governor of Hawaii, along with Janice Okubo, Heath Department spokeswoman, and the Hawaii Supreme Court, involved in a decades-long plot to install a secret muslim/socialist as president of the United States, even though all parties involved (hundreds, maybe thousands of people) know that he was secretly born in Kenya? Slightly less possible.

Wait, I forgot…his Indonesian stepfather made him “renounce his citizenship” before he was adopted…no wait…he was smuggled into this country from another continent after a pregnant 18-year old single mother-to-be, about to give birth, decided to get onto an airplane, leaving behind her school, friends, family, and the place she called home, so that she could fly around the world to give birth in a foreign country, then CALL back home and say that the baby was actually born in Hawaii. Yeah, that's the one I was looking for.

I forgot the part about where he somehow managed to cover every single track of his existence, despite running for the presidency and winning. Maybe that's why the Clinton campaign and the McCain campaign didn't say anything about this; apparently Barack Obama, a man of modest means born to a single mother, somehow managed to become one of the world's wealthiest and most influential citizens, using sheer willpower and knowledge to essentially “buy” the presidency while maintaining a decades-long conspiracy that he himself began when he was an infant.

And what about that COLB? I mean, so what if it lists his parents and his place of birth? So what if the document has an official state seal? So what if the Republican governor of Hawaii, having no reason to lie, stated that the document is official? Those don't mean anything at all!

We all know that what makes a birth certificate valid is that the presence of the doctor's name somewhere on the paper. Oh, and the name of the hospital. And possibly the little footprints. Because THOSE things are what define citizenship, not unimportant details like the actual city and state where someone was born.

That is what the birthers believe in: a massive, world spanning-plot, decades into effect, orchestrated by one lone, shadowy figure whose sole goal is to take over America and destroy us all. The only flaw in that otherwise perfectly orchestrated plan? The “real” birth certificate, the mysterious, mythical “long form” containing slightly more information than the official short form authorized by Hawaii; that document, and nothing else, will contain the answer to every single birther's question about Barack Obama: “Yeah, we have all of this OTHER evidence that he was born in America, but was he REALLY born in America?”

That's the problem that the birthers face in their struggle to be taken serioulsy: reality.

You want people to stop calling you delusional? I'll tell you how to make that happen:

Stop being delusional.

That is all you have to do.


msdaisy
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 2:36 am

Just to step off the subject for a moment, I read about a study that had been done not long ago in a work place. It was an intelligence evaluation. (I wish I could remember where I read it because I’d love to post a link) The bottom line was that the people who considered themselves the “most intelligent” in the work place, (much smarter than their bosses of course) were actually the ones that scored lowest on the test. (Long story short) The moral of the story was that stupid people don’t actually know they’re stupid, BECAUSE they’re stupid.

I busted out laughing when I read it because that is so true and I’m sorry to say that it applies to so many of these conspiracy extremists. I would love to know what makes them all believe so intently in such fantasy. And the scary thing is they are not all just Birthers, many are flat out racists or “racial supremacists” (they come in both white and black), religious fanatics, creationists who believe the bible is actually science and the earth is only 6000 years old. And lets not forget the Pro-Life extremists that go around throwing acid on people and murdering physicians.

Somewhere along the way people have either been totally brainwashed, or they just have a real serious need for anti-psychotic medications. (Along with some intense anger management.)


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 4:07 am

Good post, MsDaisy.

I don't know if you are into science fiction, but there was a great man named Isaac Asimov who is no longer with us; I always liked him, growing up, not just because he was a great writer, but also because he was the man who came up with the famous 'Three Laws of Robotics', which are actually part of real cybernetic research today. But I digress.

Beginning back in the fifties, he wrote an amazing series of books called 'The Foundation Trilogy', about these mathematicians of the future called the 'Psychohistorians', who believed that they could eventually use their calculations to determine, and even guide, the doings and the comings and goings of the lives of all the billions of human beings in the Milky Way galaxy – and they did! They even had this Box that showed them the calculations that ran everything, and then something incredible happened.

By the mid-eighties, not long before he died, Asimov finished his crowning achievement, the fourth book of the series, 'Foundation's Edge', and I can't help but wonder if you might enjoy it.

'Foundation's Edge' is about, among other very illuminating things, a raffish young man named Hober Mallow, who discovered that the galaxy run by the 'Mayors' in the Town on the Planet at the Center of the galaxy, who thought they were the ones running things, who felt so sure that the galaxy was all under their precise control, was actually spinning along under the hidden direction of a small group of people on a world in the last place anybody would have expected.

They were SOOO sure, these psychohistorians, that THEY ran things, only to find out the truth, that even they themselves were part of some Grand Design, and they didn't really run even their own livesat all.

And it was right under their noses the whole time!

If you can locate a copy, or even the whole series of all four, you won't regret having your mind blown.

I liked your post, I really did. We have like minds.

“A circle has no end…”

~Johnny


wayoutwest
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 4:15 am

It is as usless to argue with those who have renonced their use of reason as it is to administer medication to the dead.
Thomas Jefferson


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 4:43 am

Wayoutwest,

“It is as usless to argue with those who have renonced their use of reason as it is to administer medication to the dead.”

Damn, that's a good quote, I gotta remember that one!

You like good ol' TJ, heh? Me too!

He also said:

“I have sworn eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of Man.”

Happy to share that with you, my unmet friend.
Good post.

~Johnny


elsbeth
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 6:25 am

Now, I am sure that all the birfers will be up in arms about this. I hope they express their outrage to the best of their ability. Wouldn't want to seem hypocritical, would you?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0809/…

One of the Congressmen co-sponsoring the birfer bill WON”T SHOW HIS BC!!!!

What is he hiding? What dark secrets lurk in his past. He must be terrified. I mean, he won't even show the BC.

Most of the other co-sponsors posted computer images of their BC or faxed copies of theirs to the reporter asking for the congrssmens' BCs.

WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL LONG-FORM BCs, CONGRESSMEN???!!!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 6:34 am

Well, he's a Republican. Diminished capacity defense. Automatic.


jimpa
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

Jess – You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to profit from the birthers.

Birthers – If you REALLY want to get your hands on President Obama's Nigeria BC then look no further:

I have proof that President Obama isn't a citizen. He was born in Nigeria. I can send anyone the ORGINAL birth certificate but the transaction requires maxiimum confidence. I'm getting it from a top offical of the federal government of Nigeria. I'm solicating your help because the documents are in the possession of the last military regime. Please note that the transaction is 100% safe.
Yours Faithfully,
Dr. Clement Okon


msdaisy
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

Yes Jonnie I am a big SiFi fan, in fact my first real hero as a child (after Popeye of course) was Spock. (And BTW I loved the new Star Trek movie!) No I’ve never heard of The Foundation Trilogy, but will certainly keep a look out for it, it does sound pretty good. Thanks for the tip. Have you ever read any Zecharia Sitchin? He’s more speculation than SiFi (though some consider him totally FOS) and some of his stuff is a bit hard to read, but his hypothesis is pretty interesting.

Speaking of SiFi and conspiracies, I love reading about all the “UFO Conspiracies”. I personally consider it more of a mystery than a conspiracy, but many people are as eaten up with that as they are so many of the other “conspiracies” that exist in this devious world we live in. (HA!)

I don’t know if you’re interested in that but I have a post on my blog about it. It’s actually pretty interesting with lot of links posted throughout the comments to some pretty compelling stuff. It’s fun to consider how many people would literally shit them selves if any of this ever proved to be true! I would LMAO!

Have a look… and feel free to comment if you are so inclined.

http://bloggingwithmsdaisy.blogspot.com/2009/04…


Steve X
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

The best part about their refusal to do so? The “Constitution doesn't require that they show” a birth certificate.

Unfortunately, since conservatism is a mental illness, they believe that requirement exists for the President, even though neither that language nor that requirement are anywhere in the Constitution, any supreme court case, or any federal law. After all, why read the Constitution as written when you can make up stupid shit instead? Sometimes, I actually wonder if life as a birther will be easier; I would get to ignore all the parts of reality that I'm mentally unable to deal with, all the time screaming to anyone who will listen that I'm a “real American.”


jimpa
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

I don’t think you can classify FactCheck.org is “Obama friendly sources”. FackCheck’s analysis of President Obama’s Health Care is definitely not friendly. http://factcheck.org/archives/search-results/?c…

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
Also I like nbc1’s analysis: http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/03/…

Here are my thoughts on why President Obama doesn't do what he did around November 1, 2008 when he allowed FactCheck.org and some journalists to look, touch, examine and photograph the original birth certificate. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

President Obama is an analytical person. He thought during the campaign that posting the COLB on his web site would end the rumors but instead it only fueled them. He had to learn from that misstep. Plus showing the original BC to factcheck.org and those journalists did little to put this to bed.

Today, if the President allowed a group of journalists including Lou Dobbs and other doubters the same access as factCheck and the journalists, then who knows what would happen. For financial reasons or just because they are irrational they could say the BC is as fake as a 3 dollar bill without any data to backup the claim. If you just show the BC to a fact check organization then the birthers would say they the fact check organization is a left wing group (like they do with FackCheck). Plus like any President, President Obama wants some control over the conversation. Talk about health care and other pressing issues. Who knows where the media would take this and for how long. It would give all the birther “experts” media time and seem to legitimize their argument to some degree.

Another factor could be what Steve X posted on this subject “Never interfere with the enemy when he is destroying himself.”

I think you cannot offer evidence that will convince those who believe the Apollo lunar landings were falsified by the government or those who believe the government committed the 9/11 acts of terrorism against itself. I believe the same is true of the hard core birther.

Maybe the President should make the BC available to Myth Busters as long as they promised not to blow it up at the end of the episode. Probably wouldn't convinence any birthers but it would put this issue where it belongs.


jimpa
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

I didn't see this. Thanks for posting it. I believe those Congressmen believe the POTUS a citizen. They are doing this for political reasons. Well you have to love Karma. This should expose them for the hacks they are.


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Randwulf
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

When they run for POTUS, they will be required by law to show one if their bill becomes law.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Way down the column of a similar thread on this subject and off to the right edge somewhere, under the deepest layers of monkeypoop is this little gem from Steviemonkey (stephenperry):

“We are talking about the President's COLB. He posted it online over a year ago. It proves where he was born. Your refusal to acknowledge that proves you are a racist.”

Well when you get through all the insults, disparaging remarks, invective, accusations of lunacy, and dirty little elementary school rhymes, this is the Anti-Birth-Truther, well, let's just say “position”, since it is really not a valid argument of point worth making. In fact it is a blatant lie because no real Certificate of Live Birth for Obama has ever been seen. And of course in an effort to intimidate the opposition into silence, they almost always label as “racist” any person who refuses to accept their abbreviated form of COLB (certification) as proof of Hawaiian birth. Likewise, they will ignore the fact that no person in any position or public authority has ever seen the document that they have photo-shopped, scanned and photographed to post on the web as their “proof. That is the heart of the issue. They will do ANYTHING but address that fact. They only weapons in their arsenal are defamation and personal attacks for all detractors. If you don't believe that, just watch their replies to this post. So I'll post again the images of LONG FORM Hawaiian BCs from in and around and much later than Obama's birth year so that you can see that they were issued and do exist and so that you can see the kind of information contained in them. You will notice much more than what is contained in Obama's alleged COLB at “FackCheck”. See for yourself.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

Here again are images of what Hawaiian “Long Form” Certificates of Live Birth look like.
Here is one side by side with Obama’s “CertiFICATION”. Read the names of each of the documents at the top and centered. One says certificate and the other says certification.

http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/upl…

A blank one.

http://www.cfourstrategies.com/colb.jpg

Some guy named Alan 1963

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…

One of the Nordyke twins from 1961 (a day after Obama)

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/upl…

An anonymous one from 1978. Yep still using the long form in 1978!

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiinBirt…

Only doctor signed birth certificate yet to surface for Obama but this could be a forgery.

http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/i…

Oh, yes, and then there is this “Certification” from 2008 which has not been seen or handled outside of any of the Obama friendly sources that have posted different versions using scans and digital photos posted on line. This is all Obama has ever offered as proof that he was born on US soil. Notice there is no mention of a hospital or the name of any attending physician. Hawaii has now admitted that an original long form exists or have lied and said there is one when there isn’t. Since it has never been posted or released by Obama, there is no way to know what it might say. But here is what Obama’s people offer. Again, Obama’s alleged “CertificATION”of Live Birth (probably a forgery)

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/20…


jimpa
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Both sides are throwing elbows. I don’t have to go any further than your image on your profile but if someone was to go back and look at your posts they’d see you’re not Mother Teresa. If you don't like the elbows look at NBC1 posts. He referenced all his sources, never defamation or made a personal attack. Just the facts and he backed all of them up. This will get you started if you are interested. http://washingtonindependent.com/52474/mccain-c…

NBC1 quit posting here. Possibly got tired of proving for the 100th time that President Obama showed his BC and the government accepted it.

I seen some of the links the birthers supplied to prove their point. Websites depicting OUR President as Hitler and other such nonsense don’t serve the birther side well.

Why try to convince us? Why not call your Republican legislator? Wouldn’t that be more effective getting the POTUS thrown out of office?

If I may suggest: if you must post the same links over and over again, then think about dropping http://patriotpost.us/images/broadcasts/humor/i… because this goes against your post above. Also consider doing what NBC1 did. Instead of just supplying just links to a jpeg, put them all together in a web site. Use this is your model: http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/


jimpa
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

Randwulf – I don’t think you can classify FactCheck.org is “Obama friendly sources”. FackCheck’s analysis of President Obama’s Health Care is definitely not friendly to the President. http://factcheck.org/archives/search-results/?c

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in
Also I like nbc1’s analysis: http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/03/
And this one: http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archive

Here are my thoughts on why President Obama doesn't do what he did around November 1, 2008 when he allowed FactCheck.org and some journalists to look, touch, examine and photograph the original birth certificate. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in

President Obama is an analytical person. He thought during the campaign that posting the COLB on his web site would end the rumors but instead it only fueled them. He had to learn from that misstep. Plus showing the original BC to factcheck.org and some journalists, did little to put this nonesense to bed.

Today, if the President allowed a group of journalists including Lou Dobbs and other doubters the same access as factCheck and the journalists, then who knows what would happen. For financial reasons or just because they are irrational they could say the BC is as fake as a 3 dollar bill without any data to backup the claim. If you just show the BC to a fact check organization then the birthers would say they the fact check organization is a left wing group (like they do with FackCheck). Plus like any President, President Obama wants some control over the conversation. Talk about health care and other pressing issues. Who knows where the media would take this and for how long. It would give all the birther “experts” media time and seem to legitimize their argument to some degree.

Another factor could be what Steve X posted on this subject “Never interfere with the enemy when he is destroying himself.”

I think you cannot offer evidence that will convince those who believe the Apollo lunar landings were falsified by the government or those who believe the government committed the 9/11 acts of terrorism against itself. I believe the same is true of the hard core birther.

Maybe the President should make the BC available to Myth Busters as long as they promised not to blow it up at the end of the episode. Probably wouldn't convince any birthers but it would put this issue where it belongs.


msdaisy
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

OMG, you have to LOVE this one. On Orly Taitz blog (which is more fun to look at than cartoons) there is a post about Army Maj. Stefan Cook who, they claim “Was Ordered” to go to Afghanistan, but sued on the grounds that Obama was not a legitimate President and they claim that just as the judge was set to begin preliminary hearings the Army canceled Cook’s orders “for the purpose of denying him standing”. It goes on to state the “This hugely significant legal surrender by the government was noticed by every lawyer in the country.”

Laughed at more likely, because most competent people had sense to read (as they say) “the rest of that story”, which was conveniently left out of Orly’s blog post.

Major Cook is not, and was not at the time an active duty military person. He is a reservist who submitted a formal request to his H/R Command in St. Louis “volunteering” to go to Afghanistan and serve 1 year with an Army Special Ops command on May 8th of this year, (5 months into Obama’s Presidency) his tour was to begin 7/15/09 and his orders were issued on 6/9/09.

AND (this is the good part) by law any reservist who “volunteers” for an assignment, (which is exactly what this man did) may ask for (and be granted) a revocation of those orders up until the day he/she is scheduled to deploy. But on July 8th, the week BEFORE he was to deploy while he was still eligible to rescind “his request” to volunteer to go, he had Orly Taitz file in federal court for a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector stating he would not go on the grounds that Obama is not eligible to be President and wanted his orders revoked. “Bam; BIG HEADLINES” Of course the Army rescinded his orders and no doubt saw through his scam.

What a load of crap! That whole episode was so blatantly staged it was truly ridiculous. If he objected to Obama’s Presidency, why did he volunteer to go in the first place if this whole sham had not been planned out? (I wonder if Orly paid him off to do it)

I hope his 5 minutes of headlines was worth how his fellow soldiers will now view his ethics.

See, this is how conspiracies scheme and manipulate the simple minded and gullible into believing their cause has merit. Pah-Leease!

Here’s a link to the “Whole” story.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/77747…


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:59 am

SilverBear, I think we’re all missing the point, here: The birther cause is KAPUT. Their credibility never was all that much to begin with, and the final nail in their coffin was the admission a few days ago – did you all hear about this? – that the people who proffered upon the world this, uh, ‘Kenyan BC’ perpetuated a HOAX, pure and simple – case closed!

The real question is not “Is Barack Obama actually a naturally-born citizen?” but “Once they all finally realize that their cause is for SHIT, what will we have to entertain ourselves with?”

Let’s face it, these boobs are MUCH too much fun to watch to simply give up! And they’re just soooo EASY! A year from now, people will be saying “Orly – WHO?”

F’Chrissakes, give us a challenge we can sink our teeth into! Maybe Will Ayers isn’t too busy…Hahahahaha!

I know! REVEREND WRIGHT!

Hey, Randwulf, Tuci, have you heard? Barack Obama is really an alien! It’s true! I have a US Army birth certificate from Roswell! I got it off eBay! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Hey, I just started a new rumor! Whaddya think, folks?

OBAMA IS AN ALIEN BENT ON CONQUERING THE EARTH

Hot off the press…

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:06 am

RPS, as much as I like your screen name, really, don’t let this fool get to you, m’friend.

He’s just not worth it.

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:14 am

Hear, hear!


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 3:19 am

Yeah, just when they thought it was safe to go back in the water – DA DADA DA DADA – crunch! The truth bites them right in the ass!

Jaws, 3D

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

Thanx for getting back to me, kiddo!

Yes, I've heard of Zacharia Sitchin, I used to listen to Art Bell every night (and especially to 'Dreamland' every Sunday night), I believe I heard him speak on there. Pretty cool guy, sounded perfectly stable yet seemed to be some kind of seer or prognosticator or something, as I remember, he talked about the 'great cataclysm', and how much different the global map would be afterward. Fascinating, as Spock would say, hahaha.

Yes, I am into the mystery of UFOs, you BETCHA! Did I not watch every episode of the 'X-Files'? You bet I did! Personally, I think most sightings are either explainable atmospheric phenomena, or misidentified 'Above Top Secret' aircraft we are not supposed to know about, wink, wink, wink, but a lot of that may be just 'whistling-by-the-graveyard' on my part, hahaha.

Of course, I DO definitely believe in intelligent extraterrestrial life, there's just too much available real estate out there for it to be totally barren, life began here, why couldn't it start somewhere else, right?

I just wish we could find intelligent life right here on Earth! I look at some of these sites, Daisy, and I swear, I seriously wonder how society doesn't just collapse, or simply implode into a black hole and go ((((POOF))))! Don't you? Lol! Kind of like Vulcan in the new movie…

I will check out your link, sounds, well, fascinating, hahaha.

Spock was my childhood hero, too!

LL&P (Live Long and Prosper), m'friend, eat your spinach, lol!

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

MsDaisy,

Hmmm, very cool, I intend to spend a lot of time at those links to your site.

Yes, Edgar Mitchell has always been a favorite of mine, along with good ol' Gordon Cooper, interesting theory about why we never went back – we or anyone else. There was also talk of a '2-mile high glass & metal ruined tower' on the moon, called 'the Shard', all kinds of fascinating stuff. I was so taken with that private intercept of Armstrong & Aldrin! Amazing. It is hard not to get hooked, I'm not my dad, whose way of dealing with things like that was “That's crazy” or “Just ignore it…”, hahaha, may he rest in peace. I believe many people feel their 'sense of reality' is threatened by such things, but I eat it up! After all, don't you agree that reality is for people who can't handle science fiction? Hahahahaha!

I think things may be reaching a point of critical mass in a few years, what with the international mission to Mars (which will necessitate returning to the moon to stay), and even before that the Japanese, the Chinese, or ESA will go there on their own (ESA probably has an 'understanding' with NASA, though, lol), sooner or later it has to come out – and I disagree with the 'Col Jessup argument', lol, we can handle the truth, this is the Star Trek generation – hell, the NEXT generation, it is likely difficult to find anyone who does NOT believe there are alens somewhere, and I really don't think people's reactions (at least in America & the West) would be, if you will forgive me, quite so scatological, hahahaha. Reminds me of what Bill Cosby joked about once, he said his mother told him to 'always wear clean underwear in case you have an accident', Bill said, “Hey, isn't that what an accident is?” Hahahaha!

Besides, Americans just elected a black president, I think we can handle contact with little gray guys. After the Geico Gekko, how scary can they be, right?

Your musings of our origins remind me of a theory I've had for quite some time, posed as an old joke (which I just made up):

What do you get when you combine the DNA of those little grey f***ers with that of the Neanderthals?

Homo-Sapien Sapiens…

Just a thought, it would explain a lot of things, doncha think? Glad we met, I think you're pretty cool – not to mention, not hard to look at, hahahaha. Pretty cute, actually, I liked your picture. Got to figure a way to show you mine, this is SO last millenium…

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 6:21 am

Ah, hahahahahaaha!

I’m luvin’ this, SilverBear!

You should really be ashamed of yourself, attacking an unarmed man in a battle of wits!

Oh, never mind, put ‘im away, dude!

God, I’m glad I joined this site!

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 6:29 am

Yep, I did. Tuci just snapped his cap. He’s lost it, brother!

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:25 am

Steve X:

Good post! As a died-in-the-wool, lifelong Truman Democrat (I would hardly describe myself as 'liberal', although liberal is looking pretty good, lately), I have to say that Joe Scarborough, Michael Medved (who I disagree with on a great many things) and other co-incidentally Rupublican/Conservative (anymore!) conservatives like, say, Gov Charlie Crist of Florida (where the wheels started coming off the GOP wagon, NINE YEARS ago – isn't THAT ironic?), represent what is sorely needed in the Republiucan Party today.

This country needs two mutually respecful, ideologically confrontational major political parties in order to function fairly and effectively; it 's the only way to get anything constructive done. There have been many good, patriotic GOP leaders in our history, from Lincoln to Teddy Roosevelt to Ike, even Ronald Reagan, for all his 'revolution', would not approve of all this partisan devisiveness coming from the Republican side of the aisle today – and many of us 'dangerous Liberals' respect him for all he stood for. for all his faults.

The problem, in my opinion, is that the two are NOT synonymous anymore: GOP and Conservative. A new e-friend of mine, Vic, asked me not to assume he is a Republican, “I said I was a conservative, I never said anything about being a Repub!” he told me. I get what he means.

Bush, Cheny, an Rumsfeld – with few resisters such as the great Gen Colin Powell – led an internal cabal within the GOP, begun more than thirty years ago with the evangelically-led 'moral majority' (which was neither, in my opinion), and gelled into the 'Neo-Cons', the new conservatives of the last decade or so, those who impeached Bill Clinton and tried to remove him from office – and failed, disasterously – and consolidated their hold over their party to the extent that they have, exactly as Candidate Obama said almost a year ago, hijacked the GOP to the point where the traditional Republican tendency towards solidarity and silence has allowed even the true conservatives to huddle into a corner in the Far Right and go along in order to get along – with no apparent battle plan to retake the Congress and the Oval Office for the future.

I don't understand it, but I reluctantly hold today with those who suggest the best thing to do is to get the hell out of the way and try not get burned when your adversary is self-emmolating!

The problem is, a lot of good, solid, very respectable, decent Republicans are going to get burned along with them – it's sad, we could use more GOP-ers like Joe Scarborough. I mean it, I watch him & Mika Brezhezhinski (Zibiginew's daughter) every weekday morning on 'Morning Joe', never miss it.

What is needed is for the Conservatives in the party to have a civil war – a rebellion, revolt, whatever you wish to call it – and drop these assholes, the Neo-Cons and Evangelicals, like the HUNG BOMB that they are.

Listen to me, I am not fooled, and God, as they will be the first to remind you, will not be mocked:

Conservatives do not gin up the economy til it's so white-hot that it blows up;

Conservatives do not engage us in TWO (2!) foreign wars (in the f***ing middle east, no less!), in one case for NO good reason other than a get-back;

Conservatives do not do everything humanly possible to sever every possible relationship with other nations as if we were not living in a global community, without regard to the environment, the internatonal monetary system, and world trade;

Conseratives – TRUE conservatives – do not piss away our children's future at every turn as if the proper, mature response to any threat to our continued national safety, security, and existence was to blow something up or bomb someone;

True Conservatives, lastly do NOT believe in, or even consider, TORTURE!

Almost forgot that one!

I hate the fanatics who attaked us on 9/11, but it happened for a reason, and the misguided, tragically brain-washed fools who pissed their lives away to kill as many of us as possible were NOT, I repeat, NOT Moslems – in fact, they were not true Moslems at all – and it's Muslims, did you all know that? It might help if we show a little respect to these folks who worship the same diety we Christians and Jews do in order to enlist their sympathy and possibly help in rounding up the terrorists like Al Queda for prosecutuon.

We need true conservative Republicans; we cannot make the changes that must come if our system, our country and possibly even our planet is to survive, without them.

Who we don't need, anymore than a bad haircut, are these WINGNUTS.

As a Democrat, an Obama supporter (not a disciple!) and a loyal American, I value people like Joe Scarborough, General Powell and my friend Vic very highly; we need to work togeher, but the GOP needs to clean its own house. If we do that, together, just like we always have for the last century and a half, we can do great, wonderful things.

But as long as these dangerous, pathetic fools, like Taitz, Rush Limbaugh (spit!) and ol' Randwulf here, have any airtime or purchase, or any exposure whatsoever, we will be as hobbled as a blind dog in a meathouse…and just as unsatisied.

Whew! Now I feel better!

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:32 am

Whoops! I meant, “unsatisfied”, sorry. Gotta proofread more…

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:39 am

Hahahaha! Good idea about turning the whole thing over to 'Mythbusters'!

Maybe good ole Jamie & Adam could put all the birthers into rocket car & fire it off over Pearl Harbor!

Nah, that would be sinking to their level…but it might be fin to watch –

(Orly Taitz, screaming all the way) “No, no, no, NO!!!”

Good idea!

~Johnny

PS: I suppose I'll get flak for that, now. NO, I am not seriously suggesting physical harm to birthers – much…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

There were no votes opposing the measure. Some who were either not there and/or too chicken to take a stand may not have voted.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Spam.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

…Or there is a lot of national focus on the Department of Health and they want to be sure not to violate the law as it is written. Funny how you guys bring up the most nefarious possibility as the only one and cannot conceive of the most obvious and plausible ones.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

You have not seen anything yet. According to Tuci above there is a large and growing list of liars, rubes and traitors from both parties AND in two branches of government, false documents, false newspaper accounts and a multitude of international co-conspirators… And yet no smoking gun has come out. All of the co-conspirators have somehow managed to defy everything we understand about the difficulty of keeping secrets. Strange huh?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Yawn. I was hoping to hear something that had not been debunked already. Very disappointing.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

“Where is the fucking original birth record?”–Randy

I do not know exactly where it is, but Hawaii says they have it. They’ve seen it. Obama is a natural born citizen. You think they are gonna just mail an original document to every little douche that wants to put their grimy little hands on it?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 12:46 am

“…[S]omehow I think if he did show it to a judge, you,d just claim the judge was in on the conspiracy since 1961, or probably wasn’t a “real” (by your brain dead standard) judge. You’ll just keep moving the goalpost until they’re on fucking Pluto.”–brewlord

“Well, certainly I can conceive of a judge throwing in with Barry Soetoro. The wages of sin may be death, but as long as death can be put off, sin can be quite lucrative.”–tuci

Lol. So you admit that you would not trust even your own demanded “solution” that you have clamoured for repeatedly on this site. Hahahaha.

Before you go claiming I am not addressing your multi-judge, multi-expert committee scenario, what makes you think 6,8 or 10 people can’t be bought off when the number of people already supposed to belong to Obama’s coverup conspiracy greatly outnumber that by a factor of 10 or more? If hundreds of people are already in on the so-called conspiracy, what makes you think you can find 10 honest people? The horses have already left the stable. You will never admit you were wrong about Obama even if baby Jesus came to you and told you to stuff it.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Lol. You are one of the worst offenders. Anybody can read your crap for themselves below. Man up and stop being such a pussy.

I love how conservative sore losers seem to think they have some kind of special dispensation to hurl insults, but whine and snivel like a little child when it comes back. Sanctimonious hypocrite.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Rat-boy, I “trust” nothing except to within well-established limits of accuracy. Error is built into everything, and the venality of lawyers (including sitting judges) is a well known source of “error.”

I’m sure that six, eight, or ten people can easily be bought off. A majority of the 535 people in the Congress are bought off regularly, as a matter of course, with money, with reciprocal “favors,” with hotel rooms full of naked Cub Scouts and three big jars of Vaseline.

Barry Soetoro is sliming along under the fraudulence of his “natural born citizen” qualification. Think of me as doing the sad sack of shit a favor. If he can disgorge whatever counterfeit he’s counting on to get him through this “birth certificate” thing to a judge he’s corrupted, the document can be put into the hands of two or three qualified forensic evidence examiners upon whom Barry’s little ACORN elves have gotten some sort of extortionate handle.

By bribery, blackmail, and simple strong-arm tactics – all within the repertoire of a Cook County machine “poverty pimp” like thuggish Barry Soetoro – he gets real “cover,” and he birther business goes away.

See how nice I’m being to your Mombasa Messiah, Rat-boy? He’s running out of shadow to hide in, and I’m offering him a way to get back into the space between the walls where he can find some comfort.

I studied some entomology in college. I know what a cockroach like Barry Soetoro needs to keep on scuttling.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Spam.


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 1:40 am

Tuci78,

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

The People’s choice for leadership, at a time when I honestly believed no one in this country cared about politics, civic duty, or making a difference anymore.

The fact that we are even having this very conversation at all, that indeed this site exists, is PROOF that what he did by getting elected last November was nothing short of a miracle.

You can either get on the right side of History with the rest of us, or you can get lost.

And Tuci – you are truly one sick, obscene son of a bitch!

SHAME ON YOU! Do you hear me?

SHAME ON YOU!

YOU are the cockroach here…although not the only one.

~Johnny-O


Tuci78
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 1:57 am

Tsk. And you’re demanding respect for the office – the same office occupied by Dubbya for eight years, and look at how delicately he was treated by “Liberal” enemies – as well as that “poverty pimp” asshole Barry Soetoro?

Nah. Barry is a tax consumer. A “public servant” grown excessively arrogant, who had suckered a narrow majority of the voting electorate (itself a minority of the population) and on the strength of this ludicrous “mandate” is working his cockroach magic to destroy and debauch and degrade these United States.


“I don’t trust society to protect us. I have no intention of placing my fate in the hands of men whose only qualification is that they managed to con a block of people to vote for them.”

– Mario Puzo, The Godfather (1969)


Tuci78
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 2:01 am

I’ve discussed the variations in fonts and kerning within that little narrow strip in which Ms. Dunham’s blessed event aberrantly appears, the omission of the delivery of Mrs. Nordyke’s twin girls in what was supposed to have been the same hospital the day before Barry had allegedly been grunted out into the world, and the observation that the microfiche archives of these two small-town newspapers (for no newsprint copies exist anymore) could easily have been tampered with.

The microfiche archives on which you base your hopes are not robust evidence. Using the “shadow” analogy, they’re something less even than shadow puppets.


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 2:06 am

Tuci, YOU MAKE MY CASE FOR ME!

I am not surprised you derive inspiration for your sad, pathetic diatribe – indeed, for your very baleful existence – from La Cosa Nostra, an organization of Organized Crime. Which we managed to overcome, btw!

I’m done with ya, pal. Wayoutwest was absolutely right-on with that quote of Thomas Jefferson’s – trying to reason with people like you is like performing first-aid on a Goddamn corpse.

GOBAMA!

~Johnny


Randwulf
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Like I say, anything but address the birth certificate issue. Anything. Pussy this, child, that, sore loser this and sanctimonious that but why Obama won't show his BC? Silence. Why don't you “man up” and do it.


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

Jess, Jimpa,

You guys crack me up! Didn't I see both of these same missives in my own inbox, not long ago?

Hahahahaha, I had a great big belly laugh on seeing those, thanx!

~Johnny


Randwulf
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

That's old news honey. And Orly is an agent provocateur. Her whole deal was designed to implode. It looks like she has always been doing this shit in ways that make “getting caught” a sure fired proposition. It's blatantly obvious. Orly crazy. Orly birther. Birther crazy. I think she was being run by the left to discredit the whole claim that Obama isn't a natural born citizen. Now she will quietly disappear from the scene and retire in Israel with whatever she was paid to do all this flapping around.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

It just bugs the shit out of you. Those pictures of Big Foot…er I mean the Hawaiian long form birth certificates. Don't it?


librul
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Jeez…you must be right because you say so. Why are you talking to us? Call immigration! Call Homeland Security! Call the Pentagon. We gotta get rid of this guy!


librul
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Randwulf's head exploded when he saw them Negroes move into the “White” House. Hasn't been the same since.


Golem Cohen
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Yep! That's the only conclusion we can come to.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

Obama has shown his BC. He even tried to satisfy you liars when he put an image of it up on the internet. Even if you do not accept that, the State of Hawaii has said they have the original. They've seen it. Obama is a natural born citizen and that this whole thing is “ridiculous”.

Now you birthers can clamour all you want. It ain't gonna happen. Get over it. You lost.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Spam.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

That's called the “no true Scotsman” fallacy. Funny to see it applied to birthers because you all are so darned intelligent.


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

I'm having a great time. What are you talking about?


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

Randwulf, here's another logic chain for you:

Randwulf & Tucci crazy.

Randwulf & Tucci birthers.

Birthers crazy.

Randwulf & Tucci racist assholes.

Randwulf & Tucci crazy birthers (I realize that's redundant, but, what the hell).

Crazy Birthers obviously ALL racist assholes.

RANDWULF SMASH!

TUCCI HAVE LITTLE DICK (sorry, couldn't resist that one!)!

Hey, you're right, Randwulf, that works!

Conclusion: There is no evidence to support the Birther theory whatsoever.

Exhibits A & B: Randwulf & Tucci.

~Johnny-O


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

Or that he was born in Kenya, Indonesia or the Moon. Do you even have a point anymore, Mr. Spam?


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

Oh, I forgot to add: CASE CLOSED!


Ratatatat
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Spam.


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 4:35 am

Clint Eastwood also said once “You know, there’s just nuthin’ like a good piece of hickory…”

Somebody should take one to this tubesteak’s backside, like his momma shoulda done the first time he smarted off to her…poor woman, I’ll bet she’s so proud of him now!

~Johnny-O


Tuci78
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 4:41 am

I like Bruce Willis, too.

“I’m sick of answering this fucking question. I’m a Republican only as far as I want a smaller government, I want less government intrusion. I want them to stop shitting on my money and your money and tax dollars that we give 50 percent of… every year. I want them to be fiscally responsible and I want these goddamn lobbyists out of Washington. Do that and I’ll say I’m a Republican… I hate the government, OK? I’m apolitical. Write that down. I’m not a Republican.

(( Quoted by reporters at a promotional event for the film 16 Blocks in early 2006. ))


Tuci78
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 4:51 am

Another Clint Eastwood quote for you.

“At Waco, was there really an urgency to get those people out of the compound at that particular time? Was the press going to make it look heroic for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms? At Ruby Ridge, there was one guy in a cabin at the top of the mountain. Was it necessary for federal agents to go up there and shoot a 14-year-old in the back and shoot a woman with a child in her arms? What kind of mentality does that?”

Well, they call themselves “Liberals,” Clint….


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 4:54 am

Hahahaha! Amen!

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 6:13 am

Okay, let’s see if I can make this plain enough so that even a Nobel Laureate like you can understand it – this may require visual aids:

Waco was not exactly the Federal Government’s finest hour, no question about that, no argument there. But there WAS the issue of a religious fanatic who was having sex with kids – not just sexually mature minors, pal, but kids – do you understand that? Not to mention a Goddamn arsenal, replete with automatic weapons.

Janet Reno was completely within her brief when she gave the order to move on the Branch Davidian compound, and the BATF & FBI did not at anytime set fire to anything – the fanatics unside themselves did that, probably deliberately. The end result was predictable, but as the investigation later found, after sustaining a number of casualties (including four fatalities) the BATF was not responsible for those deaths, and were not guilty of exceeding their authority. Neither, it was concluded, was the FBI. Case closed.

As for Randy Weaver, he brought that all on himself. The blood of his wife & son is on his hands, not the Feds’.

Randy Weaver was a ‘White Separatist’, something I’m sure you can probably relate to – no problem there, as Americans we are all free to live as we please (even if we’re morally WRONG); no one from Washington is gonna make you live next to the ‘mud people’, unless, I suppose, you happen to be a resident of Williard’s Hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue (sometimes, hahaha, I just crack m’self up!).

Unfortunately, Weaver was also accumulating what can only be described as an automatic firearms arsenal , which is, like it or not, against Federal Law, (you know, military-style combat-worthy automatic weapons, that sort of thing that you can’t even get with a special collector’s liscense), you know, I’m sure you have one.

You…DO believe in Federal Law, doncha babe? I thought you did. Riiiiight…

As per the findings following the events that would happen later in Texas, the postmortem investigation admitted that the agents involved did not handle things very well, but that they were not guilty of any violations of their collective brief whatsoever. All parties concerned were cleared, even the agent who fired the shot that killed Weaver’s wife, with her baby in her arms, was completely exonerated.

It’s just like what the FBI had to do back in the early 70′s with the SLA – remember the Neo-Maoists who kidnapped & brainwashed Patti Hearst (that was under Nixon, btw)? They wound up cremating these assholles, in order to protect the people. That’s what Government does. That’s what Government HAS to do, genius.

Sometimes, like it or not, the Government has to play God, it’s a matter of responsibility. Not that you would know, Einstein…

Clint is a good man, but even HE can be dead wrong, I don’t care if he was the mayor of Carmel, he’s still only human. Of course, in your case, I can see that being human is a matter of theory, Monkey Boy. Go throw some shit at someone else, will ya?

And as for Bruce, I like him too, but I wouldn’t trust anybody who would let Demi Moore get away from him, judgement wise, any further than I could throw, him. Hating the Government is the same as saying you hate the people – We, The People. Or didn’t you get that far in gradeschool?

By the way, guys (not you, Tootch), do you know what David Koresh’s last words were?

“Oh, my God, Oh, my God! Maybe I’m NOT Jesus Christ! Maybe I’m NOT Jesus Christ!”

Hahahahahahaha! Like that, guys?

Normally, I don’t believe in Schadenfrude, but in the case of child-raping religious fanatics, assholes like Weaver, and, well, Tootch, I have to make a reluctant exception, lol!

~Johnny

PS: I cannot believe you moved me to break my promise. This time, I really am done with ya!

See ya in Hell, sailor.

PPS: I don’t suppose many of you don’t know what Schadenfrude is, I expect the bunch on here is pretty sharp. Let me put it, for those who don’t, this way:

Remember how great we all felt the night of November 4th? Do you? Of course you do, I know I’ll never forget it!

Now, remember how utterly disconsolate and miserable we all felt over the 37 days at the end of 2000, when we found that 5 politically corrupt members of the Supreme Court had installed W into the Oval Office? Sure ya do!

Well, Schadenfrude is the German word for when you feel the way WE did last November, when people who felt like we did in Dec 2000 are miserable, and in fact because of their misery. Schadenfrude is the pleasure you feel for someone else’s misery, surely nothing to boast about. Although Tuci & Randwulf probably do – the rare times they feel that way lately.

But there ARE exceptions!

AM I RIGHT, PEOPLE? WHO’S WITH ME!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

“…when we are finally touched, as surely we must be, by the better Angels of our nature.” – Abraham Lincoln…a Republican!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 6:26 am

Gawd, an apologist for Bubba, his Bitch, and his murdering little apprentices.

Hell, Waco was a ZBO (“Zee Big One”) for the BATFuckers just before they were moving to submit their budget requests, trying to justify their existence with a high-profile smash-and-grab against a “politically incorrect” bunch of religious whackjobs with entirely legal firearms in their “compound.”

And the “having sex with kids” line, too! Oh, goodie.

Johnny, “you are so mercifully free of the ravages of intelligence.”

That he’s “having sex with kids” excuse for pouring in the killer gas and then setting fire to the fucking place – saving those “kids” from spiritual murder by suffocating ‘em to death and then burning their corpses – is just wonderful. Really. Truly.

How “Liberal.”


“And the Clinton administration launched an attack on people in Texas because those people were religious nuts with guns. Hell, this country was founded by religious nuts with guns. Who does Bill Clinton think stepped ashore on Plymouth Rock? Peace Corps volunteers? Or maybe the people in Texas were attacked because of child abuse. But, if child abuse was the issue, why didn’t Janet Reno tear-gas Woody Allen?

“You know, if government were a product, selling it would be illegal.”

– P.J. O’Rourke, The Liberty Manifesto (1993)


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 6:39 am

I told you, Monkey-boy.

I am done with you. Intelligent discourse is WASTED on the likes of you…Pearls before swine.

Your mommy didn’t hug you enough as a child, did she?

Our loss!

~Johnny


Tuci78
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 6:53 am

Gotta come back for that “Randy Weaver was a ‘White Separatist’ line, too, damnit.

Randy Weaver, Johnny, is still pretty much a “White Separatist” (gasp! how awful!). His wife and his son are dead, the former targetted by an FBI assassin who boasted of being able to put a bullet into a circle a dime’s diameter at the range whereat he drew down on the woman.

The kid? Two federal marshals, camouflaged and in concealment, open fire on the kid’s dog in hunting country, where the kid and the kid’s father thought the dog had spotted a deer, and they were looking to get some venison in the larder.

So the concealed marshals blew away the pooch, and the kid snapped off one shot in response before turning to run away.

Whereupon one of the marshals put a bullet in the kid’s back, killing him.

Shit, Johnny, but the guys in the infantry brigades operating in Afghanistan today (and the ones Bubba sent to the former Yugoslavia during his reign of fucked-up-edness) have had more stringent rules of engagement when encountering armed muj than those fucking federal marshals in dealing with a scrawny 14-year-old kid and his dog on a mountainside where they were lurking.

They didn’t even shout “Federal marshals! Hold your fire!”

They just killed the kid.

And you’re cheering for these murderous assholes and for Lon Horiuchi, HRT assassin?

Jeez, how “Liberal.”

And what was “White Separatist” Randy Weaver doing that got those federal fuckers up there in ambush?

He was living separately (as a “Separatist”), harming nobody, and breaking no law except for a section of the Firearms Act regarding shotgun barrel lengths – an offense he was induced to commit by federal officers trying to “get something” on him and thereby blackmail him into serving as their inside man in efforts to get other “White Separatists” Weaver was supposed to know, and who trusted him.

As I said, how “Liberal.”


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

I don’t think you’re a nutso, TOTC. I think you may be absolutely Goddamed right.

When I was coming up, Republicans were actual conservatives, and the feeling was (if you’re as old a fart as I am, you’ll remember this too) that if they were in charge, we wouldn’t have social programs and government agencies that make life easier for people, but at least the state’s coffers were in good hands. The Common Defense would be provided for, We wouldn’t be involved in any foreign wars. And the tax base would stay stable because, let’s face it, Republicans hate taxation – right? And of course, Eisenhower Republicans would stay out of our bedrooms, our personal lives and our bank accounts. That was before the internet, but our privacy rights were for the most part secure. The Democrats looked out for the common, clock-punching working people and the student idealists, and the Wall Streeters and big business could count on the GOP. That’s just the way it was.

NOT ANY MORE!

I believe that after the disaster of the 2000 stolen election, the blatant arrogance of Katherine Harris (remember that bitch?), the stormtrooper tactics down in the Florida recount (now resurfacing at town hall meetings all across America) and the dismissiveness of the Bush White House of everything from the Dems’ place at the table to Constitutional Law – even over torture – the Dems & their allies just quietly regrouped, licked their wounds after 2000, and again after the public gutting & humiliation of a good man like John Kerry in 2004, and weighed their options.

Out of the dung heap of Chicago politics, a flower grew – his name was Barack Obama.

Look, TOTC, I don’t know if you are a person of faith; for all my cynicism and pessimism, I have to say that, perhaps because of my mother, I still am. I dunno, maybe I’ve just watched too many episiodes of Star Trek over the years. Or maybe all that crap about the Founding Fathers really means something to me…

I believe certain people were put on this Earth for a reason. When people of faith talk about how “God sometimes raises up great men & women to take their historical place in this world…” I believe there may be something to what they’re talking about.

We cannot expect fools like Tuci and Randwulf to understand, anymore than Cheny or Gingrich or Rush (how LOW can you Go?) Limbo, O’Reilly, or Ann Coultergeist (AHAHAHAHAHAHA!) to even begin to understand, it would be like trying to describe a color to a blind man. More.

Barack Obama is not the thing. Barack Obama is only the beginning. Barack Obama is the political equivalent of the first Homosapien to stand erect, stop dragging his knuckles, and discover fire! That is what the ‘true’ infidels just do not, and indeed never will, understand. Their world is theatened, and like any cornered animals they’re frigthtened. They should be, for their world of power and prestige, priveledge and Special Interests is coming to an end. Think of last November 4th as the political equivalent of the Omaha Beach landings – D-DAY! The War in Europe did not end then, but it was the beginning of the end. There would still be much fighting, many casualties, but the War was bound to end from that day forward, Victory WAS assured. It is he same now. I realized that when I felt hot tears running down my cheeks on the night of last November 4th, as I watched the crowds in Grant Park. Iwas grown men cry, and I cried too, but that was okay. They were tears of joy, and I never even knew they were there…

As for the violence, hatred and even the naked racism that we see in our ‘enlightened’ country nowadays, I believe that is to be expected. There are a lot of challenges ahead. We may not make it, but it won’t be for lack of trying, or seeing the folly of going along with the status quo.

As for the Republicans, it’s like the words of the group Dire Staits, once quoted by Al Gore: “Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt!” They have their hands clasped over their ears now, going “NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOOOOOO!” A lot of them, the Ike Conservatives who see things the way the GOP did in the days of my youth, are slowly beginning to open their eyes just now. The extremists are forcing things in the GOP to polarize, as it becomes crystal clear that such fanaticism actually hurts them. For their sakes, hopefully, they will soon catch on, abandon the extremism, and drop these wingnuts like the hung bomb they are – they are beginning to see that they are a milstone around their necks, and the best thing that can happen for the sake of true bipartisan Congressional discourse is a sort of Conservative Great Awakening – even though, for the short term, the best thing the Dems can do for themselves (and for the country’s future) is to just get out of the way. General Motors, the Stock Market, and the housing market are surging back strong, so the Dems DO have credibility now; if things keep getting better, I expect a sort of ‘GOP mitosis’ soon. That means cell divison. The GOP has to change or it will not survive, but without two healthy political parties, the Nation will not suvive, either. So there is that…

As for more violence, count on it, it’s coming. I’m sure the Neanderthals didn’t go quietly either, but they still lost.

As for – I’ll just say it – assasination – I sure hope not, but look to history for that one. Will we ever be rid of the Legacy of John and Bobby Kennedy? Or Dr King?

Will we ever be rid of the legacy of Abraham Lincoln?

No.

This is a time for craziness, but we have a cool, calm light brown hand on the helm, We will be okay, and the Ship of State will sail on as surely as the Starship Enterprise, and just as unstoppable. Except we’re real. Trust me on this, TOTC. We’re gonna be okay.

“If you strike me down, Darth, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine… – Obiwan Kenobi, ‘Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope’

Think about it.

~Johnny-O


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 12:35 am

Writes Johnny: “When I was coming up, Republicans were actual conservatives….”

Hm? Depends on how loosely and imprecisely one defines “conservatives.” When I was coming up, I was offered a copy of von Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty (1960) and directed to his closing essay therein, “Why I Am Not a Conservative.”

Thereafter, though I kept contact with conservatives, their reliance upon religious faith – a tenuous reed rooted in quicksand – repelled me. By such lights, it becomes difficult (even impossible) to make common cause with and live in the society of people who do not share one’s peculiar unfounded “faith-based” notion of what is moral and immoral.

Some better standard is required, and when you drill down into modern American “conservatism,” the essential elements are neophobia (fear of the new), xenophobia (fear of the “other,” such as Barry Soetoro’s fear of law-abiding working people), religious bigotry (“Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.”), and what the Marine Corps refers to as a “Semper Fi, Mac!” (“I’ve got mine; fuck you.”) attitude.

Not nice people. Sometime during the Carter administration, while driving to a conference with a decidedly conservative colleague, I described my problems with conservatism per the National Review picture of what that asshole Rush Limbaugh would later call “the way things oughta be.”

He thought for a moment, and said: “You’re not a conservative at all. You’re a libertarian.”

I paused, nodded, and thanked him.

As for what the Republicans have always been….

Well, hell. Have a look at Wilson’s “The Republican Charade: Lincoln and His Party.”


Apparently millions continue to harbor the strange delusion that the Republican party is the party of free enterprise, and, at least since the New Deal, the party of conservatism. In fact, the party is and always has been the party of state capitalism. That, along with the powers and perks it provides its leaders, is the whole reason for its creation and continued existence. By state capitalism I mean a regime of highly concentrated private ownership, subsidized and protected by government. The Republican party has never, ever opposed any government interference in the free market or any government expenditure except those that might favour labour unions or threaten Big Business. Consider that for a long time it was the party of high tariffs – when high tariffs benefited Northern big capital and oppressed the South and most of the population. Now it is the party of so-called “free trade” – because that is the policy that benefits Northern big capital, whatever it might cost the rest of us. In succession, Republicans presented opposite policies idealistically as good for America, while carefully avoiding discussion of exactly who it was good for.


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:40 am

I WAS NOT ADDRESSING YOU!

I was trying to give some solace to ‘Tired of the crazy’.

Try and keep up, will you?

And butt out!

~Johnny


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:05 am

“Yep! That's the only conclusion we can come to.” — septic system Golem Cohen

Not surprising. Birthers are uniformly stupid and lack the ability to read or see anything through a non-racist lens.

You stupid birthers called Orly “Queen of Liberty” and defended her honor with your few remaining teeth. But now that there's nowhere left for her to seek shelter on this continent, you argue that we planted her in your midst.

Typical. Birther dumbass.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Agreed. This makes me wonder why I pay $97.15 per month for DirecTV service.

Birthers entertain me for free.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:09 am

What I like is that you tried your luck on the original thread where I posted that… you failed… and you thought you would fare better if you posted it again on a different thread.

Newsflash, birther dumbfuck… The same people read all the threads. And even if they didn't, no one at a liberal website is dumb enough to read your catchall nonsense without applying their own “smell test” to it. And your bullshit positively reeks.

Post 1:

“You know what… you monkey f@cking, A$$-stained, piece of slime? If you ever had a human thought, and could put it into ENGLISH wording, I would possibly give you the time of day. You and all the other monkey-f@cks are in for a rude awakening. You don't have 10,000 peanuts picked out of your own simian sh1t to wager. So stick that up your escrow, sub-Saharan baboon butt! You don't have anything but your shit to double back! So why don't you and all the other proto-human wannabes tell your f@cking half-ape “president” to put his money somewhere other that into attorneys fees and produce some kind of REAL proof that he was BORN at all! It will cost him about $24 (at Safeway's current price) in bananas ($12) to get his birth certificate (if he has one) released. Oh, and I'm sure they would break with their usual computer generated COLB policy and make an actual photocopy of an original long form (if there is one) if he makes his request on official White House stationary. OOH OOH AAH AAH F@CKY YOOIIIII!!! MONKEY.” — Randwulf, three weeks ago

Post 3:

“Oh good. That is a very intelligent response. What meds do you take with you Kool Aid bitch? I'll just play by your rules whenever you post. Here we go. Ready? You are stupid, kooky, deranged, delusional and otherwise mentally and emotionally f@cked up and therefore we don't have to listen to you. Like SHUT UP and stuff. There. Happy?” — Randwulf, three weeks ago

Post 7:

“Actually, it might surprise you to know that I am African-American. I'm not a racist. I AM a racialist though. Thanks for looking after us Negroes though. We really appreciate it. I'm a racialist (cowardly I suppose) in that I want what is best for my people without continuing to seem like I feel that it is OWED to me and mine. I don't know if you can understand that but there it is. Mr. Obama is not making it any easier for those of us who have worked hard to achieve integration into the American mainstream. He needs to be honest. It is so funny how everyone just assumes that because I have a problem with HIM, I must be a raging NEO-NAZI, KKK, “Birther”, One-Toothed, IN-BRED, whatever…..Oh and BTW …Randwulf is the pet name my German ex-wife gave me. I am now married to a beautiful woman of color. She likes the name too. What is YOUR deal?” –Randwulf, three weeks ago


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:10 am

Post 3:

“Oh good. That is a very intelligent response. What meds do you take with you Kool Aid bitch? I'll just play by your rules whenever you post. Here we go. Ready? You are stupid, kooky, deranged, delusional and otherwise mentally and emotionally f@cked up and therefore we don't have to listen to you. Like SHUT UP and stuff. There. Happy?” –Randwulf, 3 weeks ago


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:13 am

“Jefferson, having sex with your pregnant wife is like putting gas in the tank of a car you've already wrecked!” –Al Bundy, Married With Children

Just wanted to contribute something sufficiently weighty and momentous.

Pete (wayoutwest) is a friend. Nice to meet you, Johnny-O.


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:46 am

Hahahaha, Al Bundy, MY MAN!

Nice to meet you too, Stephen, always nice to encounter a kindred intellect!

Sail on, voyager!

PS: Don't let Randwulf get to you, or Tuci either for that matter – this shit is all they have, kinda pathetic when you think about it.

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 7:23 am

You know, Stephen, Golem's first name reminds me a lot of the digitized mutant creature from the 'Lord of the Rings' movies, Gollum. Remember him?

These birthers seem to be making as much of a fetish of the much-balleyhooed 'original longform vault copy' of the President's birth cetificate from Honolulu as if it were a magic ring.

Forgive me, one & all, but I am struck by a muse:

One form to prove them all…

One great cause to find them

One form to find them all

And in the darkness, BIND THEM

Whadd'ya think?

“Yes, my precious, YESSSSSS!”

YESSSSSS, MY PRECIOUS, YESSSSSS!

Hahahahaha!

Gollum, Gollum!


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 7:38 am

I tuned it up a little, here's my new improved version:

“One form to prove them all…

One great cause to find them

One longform to show them all

And in the darkness, BIND THEM…”

I'd like to thank the Academy,,,HAHAHAHA!

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 8:59 am

A Birther Haiku
– by Johnny-O


I cannot deduce

The nonsense you purvey here;

So why even try?
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Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 9:10 am

Whoops! Screwed that up, here it is again here:

A Birther Haiku
- by Johnny-O

I cannot deduce

The nonsense you purvey here;

So why even try?

Enjoy, folks


msdaisy
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

HeeHeeHee

Orly’s hasn’t exploded yet, but her mouth keeps blowing like an out of control volcano. Wonder how much longer before she is disbarred, or arrested for incitement, or treason or hauled away to a little padded room. I’d vote for deportation!


msdaisy
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

Try though you may
I do have to say
Seeking sense in such nonsense
Is a waste of a day!

Words of wisdom from MsDaisy


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

A Haiku for Ms Daisy

By Johnny-O

You liked my haiku,

My dear girl you are so sweet!

We are of like minds

Hahahaha!

Glad to find some sympatico on here, and what a nice poem, sweetie. And soooo true!

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

MsDaisy,

I hate to be the one to tell you this, kiddo, but when I saw the Taitz interview last week on MSNBC with David Schuster & Tamron Hall (who I'm in love with, btw, hahaha), they said she now lives in Tel Aviv. I understand she cannot come to the United States, for fear of being deported over various unrelated issues, but I may be wrong about that. The Israelis have a similar slate of civil rights as we do, and as a Russian emigre (and a Jew, presumably), she has automatic asylum (so to speak), but I imagine they would just like her to go away, as do we. She's been sued more times than you can shake a stick at by former patients (she's a dentist) in this country, primarily California, and her law degree is from a correspondence course, so I guess that means she's a 'sh**house lawyer' as my late dad used to say, but this gives her the legal right to make her case before the Supreme Court – the same court (with the addition of Justice Sonia Soto-Mayor) that once installed George W Bush into the Oval Office. Depite the Constitution. Go figure.

She also has the support of a few dozen professional soldiers, and an awful Assemblywoman from my own state of Missouri, sadly, whom Keith Olberman profiled for wanting to cut free lunches for poor children on the rationale that “hunger is a great motivator – why don't these kids all get summer jobs? If you work at McDonald's, they let you eat on your breaks for free!” Dreadful woman! This is the kind of twit who supports this lady, and some racists in uniform. It's sad.

A dentist…Hmmmm, all kinds of images spring to mind here, from Steve Martin's biker dentist in 'Little Shop of Horrors' to the former Nazi played by Sir Larry, 'The Dentist', in the Dustin Hoffman movie 'Marathon Man' –

“IS IT SAFE??? HAHAHAHA!” Hahahaha!

~Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Oh, I just thought of the perfect example of 'mosquito heaven/human hell' –

Orly Taitz & Ann Coulter (who thinks she's crazy), locked in a padded room together in straightjackets! Hahaha, whaddya think?

Of course, eventually they might actually bond over hair care tips, they are both bottle blondes – sooner or later, that peroxide leaches through to the brain, you know, hahaha!

That would explain a lot, in both cases…

~Johnny


stephenperry
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Agreed about nbc1 never posting any insults or derogatory comments, Jim. Just the facts, ma'am. And still the birthers howled about nonsense.

Thus, I feel free to insult and cite authority in whatever combination I deem appropriate.


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

“Thus, I feel free to insult and cite authority in whatever combination I deem appropriate.”

I should hope so, Stephen. If we can't hurl insults and invective at each other, WTF are these sites even HERE for? Hahahaha!

That is why I treasure this thread so; I spent all last week on a site called 'The Betrayal' which was, I swear, the most vitriolic, hate-filled haven for crypto-fascism and racism I ever saw! 'Zebra' President? what the fuck is that?

Anyway, I've become inured to it now, all it takes is for some former military self-annointed hero, forgetful of what he fought for, to make up shit about my parentage and my 'liberal education' (I went to public school and Community College, f'Chrissakes!), or speculate about my sexual predelictions; I can't wait to become the subject of withering attacks on here, but in that I see you are already blessed: Randwulf, further up this thread, called you 'Steviemonkey'. I couldn't help but notice, you responded to it rather very well – nothing like a fool's own words to hoist him on his own petard!

Small minds are always dependent on insults, obcenities, and made-up shit for 'facts' to support their case, they have nothing else. It is always that way. And so it is here.

~Johnny


msdaisy
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

I should get TV so I could see some of this stuff. I had TV once, but it was mostly commercials and crap. I did like discovery, the history channel and of course the SiFI channel. But now I live where there isn’t any access, (other than dish which is also the only way to get internet out here) but I don’t miss it. Most of what I need to know I can find on the Internet and the rest I get from Netflix HA!

Yea, she’s in Tel Aviv? GOOD, I hope she stays there. Though I read an article yesterday, and I must say it was damn funny. (You’d probably enjoy it too) http://www.esquire.com/the-side/richardson-repo… and I just guessed from that that she was still lurking around here somewhere.

Have you rid yourself of that Assemblyhosebag yet? Man! She sounds like a real piece of work! I like Keith Olberman; I catch clips of him from time to time.

I really dislike racists. Our town is pretty liberal and we went blue in the election, but we do have lots of racist rednecks around here (rural Virginia). You know the type, they all drive pick up trucks, play horse shoes and drink beer all day while their wives or girlfriends work. Dress up like trees all year long waiting for “Huntin Season”.

They can be quite bold too; I came home early one day and saw a pickup parked down the hill by our pond. (We’re really in the middle of nowhere) So I walked down there and there were two of them in our boat on our pond fishing and drinking beer. They looked over and I called out, “Can I help you boys?” They answered, “Naw, we’re fine” and just looked away. Then had the nerve to get their nose out of joint when I made them leave!


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

I'm stretching forth my arms at you now, rotating my hands in a desperate “Go back! Go back!” gesture – Don't get another TV, it'll rot your brain, hahahaha!

You named three of the six or eight channels I couldn't live without, which as I've said before I readily admit is kinda pathetic – the virtues & vices of being retired, I guess; I gotta get back to work!

Yes, I love those, as well as the History International Channel, the Science Ch, as well as FX (NOT Fox News!!! I have my TV blocked for that one!), as well of course good ol' MSNBC, I watch it religiously every weekday. Looks like I've become a shameless Liberal, hahaha! I'd watch CNN except for the fact that I find Lou Dobbs kinda, well, creepy!

I did check out that site, a quick perusal & speedread scan – disturbing. The confluence, I suppose, not only of making major earthshaking history with the election of Obama, but also a major recession (which is lessening now), two middle east wars, and misapprehensions over changes in all our lives like the new health bill, HS 3220, whether grandma is gonna have the plug pulled (Sarah Palin's 'Death Boards' – nonsense!), and how are we gonna pay for all this? Which is a good question, not to mention Global Climate Change – it's overwhelming; no wonder, I suppose, people are flipping out at Town Hall meetings…sigh.

All I can say in response to any of the crap you hear is a line of Joan Allen's from the movie 'Tucker: A man and His Dream':

“If they can make headlines with nothing but lies, then WE can make even bigger headlines with the truth!”

Something to think about, don't you think?

As for Taitz being unable to return to the US, I am probably wrong about that, I must've got that impression from somewhere on the net; I would hate to start an untrue rumor, hahahaha, don't wanna be like the other side! But we can only hope, and YES, I agree with you, I hope she stays over there too! From your lips to God's ear…although I </>do feel sorry for the Israelis…

State Representative Cynthia Davies is still with us, I'm afraid, but then Missouri did go red for McCain, and I live in a tiny speck of blue here in Independence, the home town of Harry Truman (actually, it's the home of Bess Truman – Harry comes from Grandview, where I spent almost forty years of my life). This was the man who signed the Executive Order to desegregate the Armed Forces on 1948, you can imagine how we voted! Yeah, he got visited right there in the White House by indignant officers, from 4-star generals to admirals, demanding he reconsider 'for the sake of proper discipline and good unit cohesion' (can you say “Don't ask, don't tell”?)

You know what he said to them? “Gentlemen, I will be happy t cheerfully accept the resignation of your commissions anytime you feel like it!”

Oh, trust me, Harry Truman would've loved to have had the chance to vote for Obama! Are you kidding me? He was a Democrat's Democrat! And he hated racism…he would have been so proud of that guy.

Although, I am very intrigued that you live in Virginia, a nice place – the birthplace of no less than seven US presidents, and so laden with history – you guys were one of the Original 13, I'd love to visit there someday. I understand the summers are beautiful. We all know Jefferson lived there in his magnificent Monticello, and George Washington called Mt Vernon a place of 'magnificent isolation'. Come to think of it, you don't live all that far from DC, do you? Hmmmmm…that must be nice.

Yes, i know 'the type' you speak of all too well, there are plenty of them in western Missouri, an otherwise very cosmopolitan place, believe it or not. At least we have cable, hahahaha! Sorry, just kidding! Anyway, I am familiar with the archetype you speak of, not only locally but from members of my own extended family from further south: The tarpaper shack, three TVs (one of them a wide-screen), and a big shiny 4WD truck in the gravel driveway – off of a gravel road! Oh, yes, I know the type!

I believe (at the risk of sounding like a parlor behavioralist) that poverty is as much at the root of racism as much as anything else – I mean, let's face it, when your own self-esteem is at rock bottom, and you're white, you demonize everyone who's darker than you – blacks, latinos, anyone who's a minority – just to feel like you are someone of worth, even by your own lights. It's so sad.

Combined with this (and I'm sure you've heard this by now), in 35 or 40 years white European-stock Americans will be just another minority, and that is something that must, combined with Obama, just drive these folks up a wall!

I only hope that when that day comes, they, whoever they are, treat us better than we did them…! It's so easy for these folks to whisper to each other about re-education camps and black helicopters.

In fact, while I would not presume to tell you what to do with your 'neighbors', if it'd been me, I would've called the Sherrif, had him stand behind me up on the bank, his hand on his gun. Just a precaution, I guess I'm just a big chicken, but you can't be too carefull nowadays.

Great to hear from you again, sweetie. Eat your spinach, now! Hahahaha!

~ LL&P, Johnny


Johnny-O
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

To All:

I found this on a website provided to me by MsDaisy, someone I already consider an unmet friend. It is alarming enough to move me to risk its dispensation rather than just assuming the old chestnut “If we ignore this crazy bitch (Taitz), she'll just go away.”

My argument is, Maybe not…if we are distracted by what seems on its face is a silly, easily provable falsehood.

This could be the first feigned attack in an actual assault on Common Sense, in the truest sense of the word. This is what else this 'crazy bitch' is telling people – if a mere front for Rightwingnuts who know what they are really doing, it may indeed be only a feint, and we need to stay informed.

My generous thanks to MsDaisy for turning me onto this.

It's from an Esquire mag (online) Obama sympathizer who 'went on the road' with Orly Taitz. Read and reflect:

“But Taitz wasn't finished. She marched her troops straight over to the secretary of state's office and did the exact same presentation all over again. Then she headed to the FBI to do it a third time. And the whole time, she never stopped talking:

Goldman Sachs runs the treasury.

Obama is a puppet.

There's a cemetery somewhere in Arizona where they just dug 30,000 fresh graves, which wait now for the revolution.

Baxter International — a major Obama contributor — developed a vaccine for bird flu that actually kills people.

Google Congressman Alcee Hastings and House Bill 684 and you'll see that they're planning at least six civilian labor camps.

Google an article in the San Francisco Chronicle about train cars with shackles.

The communist dictator Hugo Chavez way back in 2004 purchased the Sequoia software that runs our voting machines and the mainstream media won't report any of it — not even Fox because Saudi Arabia bought a percentage of Fox in 2007.

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/richardson-repo…>

Can you believe people are seriously considering this crap? If they are, we need to stay informed, although once again I am truly loathe to spread manure…Remember the sage words of Harry Truman about 'The Big Lie' – if you say it enough, people start to believe it. It's happening now at Town Hall meetings all over America, with this shit about 'Death Boards' and rationed healthcare with the passing of HR 3220, and people are getting unnecessariy upset. It has to stop, the lies and prevarications…STOP THE BIG LIE

Comments?

~Johnny-O


Montey
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

The true “Birther” people do not trust any BC images to be real.

And guess what?

The Bomford BC is a forgery, dear people.

A bad one, too.

This is an image with the text superimposed over a scanned and folded printout.

The actual width of the Kenyan BC document is 9.5″

The visible width of the Bomford BC is only 8.1″

With a length of 11.6″, that means the printout was on 8.5″ x 14″ legal size paper, and the reason why the width is only 8.1″, is because most printers don't print to the edges of the paper.

You know…the margins? They had to be removed.

You can clearly see where the top and sides were cut off.

On Taitz's BC, the width of the bottom rule is 7.87,” while on the Bomford BC, the width of the same rule is 7.45,” so the size of the Bomford BC was reduced.

When a piece of paper is folded, the typed or printed letters running in them or over them, get distorted.

In Taitz's BC, almost all of the letters show both their proper perspective and expected distortions to the letters that run over the fold lines. However, that document in the photo can also be a printout of a forged one, too.

Now, what is up with this?

Nearly all of the letters on the Bomford BC are not distorted in any way by the fold lines beneath them.

Example: No distortion in the “H” in “Hand”, but fold goes right under it.

Example: At the bottom is the phrase, “for the State of South Australia.” The “s” in “South” is identical to the “S” in “State,” although a big fold line runs right below the “S” in “South.”

And, what is up with this?

About 80% of all the letters have fold lines running between them.

There are two distorted fold lines that should not be there…but they also snake their way in between letters.

Now, that's Jack!

Seems like the bugger who did this removed the perspective from an image to make it appear flat. That is what makes a straight fold line snake-like.

When I upped the contrast and lowered the bright (gamma) on the Bomford BC, there appear rainbow-colored lines (mostly blue) in place of the black ones.

Hello?

There is a multi-colored stain/spill area, about two to three inches in width, along the entire right edge, but it mysteriously stops short of “J. H. Miller” and just misses the remainder of the text below it.

Huh?

A narrower, two-shaded stain also appears on the Taitz's photo of the Kenyan BC, but, unlike the Bomford BC, the stain does not bypass the text below “J. H. Miller.”

Hmm…

There are also phantom fold lines running perpendicular to the folds on the right side of the Bomford BC.

The fold line in the third-section down/first-section left is angled right to left, but fold line below it is perpendicular.

That would never happen that way just by folding the paper.

The Taitz BC has problems, too, like the bright reflections that only appear on the sides of a few folds.

Also, take a gander at the “A” in the two last “August” dates: all of the “A's” before these are much darker, like a repeating key on the typewriter.

If the question is, “Which came first,” I'd have to say that the Taitz BC was not forged from the Bomford BC, but both may have come from another image.

This whole thing stinks to high Heaven, and once again, Birthers never trust any image to be real.


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