‘Birthers’ Latch Onto Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate

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Monday, August 03, 2009 at 8:50 am

On Sunday night, the online community of “birthers” erupted after Orly Taitz released a photo of a “Kenyan birth certificate” for Barack Obama. The “birther” movement quickly divided between the credulous — people who believed that the new certificate was genuine — and skeptics who believed that their movement was being taken for a ride.

This story needs a little bit of prelude. Last year, as the bloggers at ObamaConspiracy remember, Philip Berg included an obviously forged birth certificate with his lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee. (The certificate was Canadian and signed by “Dudley Do-Right.”) Foreign birth certificates, unlike, say, American passports, are prime targets for forgery — few people stateside know what the real ones look like, and the penalties for forging them are basically non-existent.

So here it is: the “certified copy of registration of birth” that Orly Taitz obtained and is submitting as evidence in her lawsuit on behalf of Alan Keyes. The most obvious problems:

- It records Barack Obama Sr’s age as “26.” Obama Sr was born in 1936; his son was born in 1961.

- Its publication date is February 17, 1964, but it purports be a document of the “Republic of Kenya.” Kenya did not become a Republic until December 12, 1964, a year after it won independence from Great Britain.

- It’s signed by “registrar E.F. Lavender.” Earth Friendly Lavender is a kind of detergent, and government officials who use vanity initials on official documents are, to put it mildly, rare.

- The kicker? The image is part of the extremely ill-informed conspiracy theory that Obama was born in Mombasa—conveniently, one of the more Muslim parts of the country.

This has always been a red flag for conspiracy theorists, so it deserves some explanation. Barack Obama Sr. was born and educated in Nyanza Province, in southwestern Kenya, on Lake Victoria. This is the area where Obama’s family lived and continues to live; Sarah Obama, the step-grandmother of the president, lives in Nyang’oma Kogelo, a small town in the province. But Mombasa is a city on the Indian Ocean, a thousand miles to the east. It didn’t even have an international airport until 1979. And the city wasn’t even part of Kenya when the future president was born. Mombasa was a part of Zanzibar until December 12, 1963, when it became part of the newly independent Kenya.

The new forgery? Why, it claims that the president was born in Coast General Hospital in Mombasa.

- As some FreeRepublic posters have pointed out, the document contains a number that’s either a humorous coincidence or a wink by the forger. It’s number 47,044. Barack Obama, 47 years old, is the 44th president of the United States.

So what’s the likeliest story here? One popular theory right now is that the document was faked to discredit the “birther” movement. That wouldn’t be surprising: another document that circulated over the weekend was a “certificate of birth” from “Kenya colony,” and its creator tipped his hand, telling readers that it was a “work of parody.”

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gopfail
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 1:37 pm

good work, david. very complete.


neilends
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

Solid journalism. Wish the rest of the mainstream media was as thorough on a regular basis.


neonzx
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

Great Job, David, as always!

Did you hear the interview Orly gave on KGO radio Sunday morning? Hilarious fun! Here's the audio:

http://theregulator.net/neonzx/extra/orly-kgo-r…

theregulator.net/neonzx/extra/orly-kgo-radio-2009-08-02.mp3

She's insane.


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jiggamynigga
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:11 pm

If this Saturday-released “forgery” is indeed a forgery, why did Obama have to call his first emergency secret meeting on Saturday?


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Nardwilly
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

He and Michelle needed extra help planning the Martha's Vineyard Vacation.


MARK
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

1) This guy has no clue. Kenya was independent in 1963, so this could easily be real
2) Hey dummy, the ages on the birth certificate were at the time of Obama's birth, not at the time of the document was printed. If you were smart you would have seen that ! in 1961, Obama father would be 26, so thanks for proving my point.
3) As far as the E.F. Lavender name, this would be very easy to prove, just look up the records. The BC has a page number & a book number, so the truth will come out.

4) This birth certificate looks much more authentic than the bogus one put on the net by factcheck.FRAUD !


MARK
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

because he is scared sh-itless ! There is no doubt that something is bad in his file. Why else would you hide every single record you ever produced ! Americans really are dumb for voting him in the first place !!!


MARK
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

Did you think the same way when a proven forgery was posted by Obama on factcheck.FRAUD

for some strange reason, I doubt it !!!


jiggamynigga
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

Looks to me like it's going to be a permanent vacation.


neilends
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

I should hope I would doubt it, since the birth certificate posted on factcheck.org was authentic. And it was posted by Factcheck, not by Obama, by the way. Get your facts straight, birther.


neonzx
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

A “proven forgery” as claimed by a fake anonymous expert on the internet, but which the State of Hawaii says is genuine.

Can I have some of what you are smoking?

The black guy won… get over it already.


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muffler
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

The Mayan Calendar has predicted the end of the world on Dec 21st 2012 and if you translate the Greek version of the new testament back into the Aramaic then “baraq” is the anti-christ, and Nostradamus has this all clearly laid out before us in his quatrains. OH and let's not forget the NY Post horoscope on Barack's birthday in 1961 which predicted he would rule the earth.

Some people will just about believe anything except evolution, the earth rotates around the sun, the moon is solid, the universe is at least 14 billion years old and other tested sciences. In fact proof is the last thing they will accept, because to be wrong means they followed their wish and not the facts. The last ones holding on will be the most fanatic.


Guest35
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

Nope, wrong on Kenya's independance. The date is December 12, 1963. I have not been able to find out WHEN in 1936 Sr's birthday was, that would also make a difference. I don't know if this is legit or not. But, since we are trying to find facts, lets get those facts straight.


newsmonger
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

Mr. Mark

You must have missed the point…

1. As you stated, Kenya was Independent in 1963 and may I add, they became a Republic in 1964
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya)
Why will an original birth certificate of a birth that supposedly took place in 1961; be referring to Kenya
as Republic of Kenya?

2. Obama Sr was borned in 1936; the last time I checked 1961 – 1936 = 25 yrs and not 26 years. Even if Obama Sr. was born on 1/1/1936; he would not be 26years old until 1/1/1962.

3. You must be thinking too American, even if they do, you think Africa keep records that long? I am from Africa, I recently Obtained my foreigh birth certificate, they do not have records of decades stacked up in a dark room waiting for anyone and they do not have computers. Even in the US, some states have done away with their records and replace them with computer data, it is all digital in the US.

4. Give me your name & BIO data & some money and I will obtain a similar “authentic” birth certificate from Africa for you. Poverty & corruption is very high in Africa and everything I mean, everything have a price and with the right amount of money, you will obtain any “authentic” document.


SethlandPony
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

No, YOU have no clue.
Kenya became “independent” in December 1963. It did not become a republic until 1964.

Barack's actual birthplace, Hawaii, is way easier to prove. Really? The first birth certificate from Kenya that you've ever seen and you're gonna believe it's real? What's wrong with you?


calbearinillinois
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Math isn't your strong suit, is it?

1. As stated above, Kenya went from total control/colony status (pre 63) to Dominion (63-64) to Republic (December 64, after the document was allegedly issued). So unless they were printing documents with the wrong name to get a jump on things it doesn't work.

2. BO Sr. born 1936. BO Jr. born 1961. Assuming BO Sr.'s birthday was before BO Jr. in any calendar year, he would at most be 25 in 1961 (24 if his birthday was after BO Jr. on the calendar). See, 1961-1936=25. Simple. You seem to be considering people to be 1 year old as of birth, which is rather odd.

Know go back to your crayons and paper and try again.


Matthew Taylor
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Geez, if you are going to forge something at least do it well. I was born in western Illinois and almost all my family is in Illinois and that would be like having a COLB for me saying I was born in New York City. There would be no reason for my parents to have been there.


BigGuy
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

1) Yes, Kenya became independent in 1963, but it did not begin calling itself the “Republic of Kenya” until 1964.

2) Yes, the date of Obama Sr.'s birthday would make a difference — as to whether he 24 or 25. He was not 26.


Justincase
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

Uh, Math Check Please! in 1961, PRESIDENT OBAMA's father would have been 25, DUH!
C'mon people give it a break. Have any of you EVER seen any former President's Birth Certificates?
As for those that “attempt”use the bible as a defense. Try reading Judges, Chapter 4. According to the book of Judges, GOD chose, Barak as THE leader!


durango229
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

Type your comment here.What you fail to realize, BECAUSE YOU CLEARLY DIDN'T READ THE DOCUMENT YOU MORON, is that this is a certified copy of the original birth certificate, issued on FEburary 17, 1964.
OK, NOW THIS REQUIRES SOME THINKING. THEW UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE RECOGNIZES the REPUBLIC OF KENYA FOR their “repbulic” status, which the US Dept of State Reports as of occuring on DECEMBER 12, 1963. So learn to read the facts, before you debunk what very well me be a legitimate article. The governemtn of the USA, is a little more accurate then wilkipedia, you dolt. Here is the link to the page: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2962.htm

The Kenay embassy also lists it's independence day as – you guessed it – DEcember 12th.


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Jim
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

I'll lay good odds that this is thrown out before the court closes today. Sooner, if they don't pass around the complaint amongst the judges for a good Monday morning laugh!


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deeevans
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

This just goes to show you how ignorant these people are. They will question a birth certificate from an offical state of the U.S. (Hawaii) but take as gospel a birth certificate from the bastion of honesty, fair dealing and goodwill…KENYA!!! (received any e-mails from a Kenyan prince lately?)

Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that just a few weeks ago World Net Daily posted an offer of $10,000 for proof of Barack Obama's birth…right?!


newsmonger
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

Even if Obama Sr. was born on 1/1/1936; He will still be 25 yrs old in August, 1961 when the document was supposedly filed. And if he was borned after August in 1936; he would be 24 years old when the document was supposedly file.

And not 26yrs.


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colby
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

“this is a certified copy of the original birth certificate, issued on FEburary 17, 1964. “

Right, and you guys have been telling us for months now how we can't trust copies of birth certificates. Why are you starting now?

Don't worry, I'll answer- 'cause you're all full of it.


oldgadawg
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

All this does is stir up more questions and still the information rest with Mr. Obama who will continue to hide the truth using tax payers monies for lawyer fees to keep secret.
Why not come clean Mr. Obama and release ALL DOCUMENTS which are required by our U.S Constitution showing if you are legally seated to be our Commander and Chief.


captainsteve
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Who cares if it's real or fake? The real issue is that Obama's natural born status has not been determined. I still want two answers.

1) Why can't we see his long-form? Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding?

and most disturbingly,

2) Why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there’s a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!


slimslowslider
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

Where is the source for this claim of President Obama paying “… lawyers close to a million dollars to prevent his original BC from ever being produced”?

This one has been debunked a million times. If you have nothing to hide, why keep lying?

Also? I am stoked you are in the CAPZ LOCK POSSE!!!


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neonzx
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Hawaii does not issue the “long form” anymore.

From the Hawaii Home Lands program,

Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.


newsmonger
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

If the birthers have an inch of intelligence, they would have known by reading this first line of this document that it is a forgery……

Look at this document again:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

The heading said: “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth”

We all know that, when you request a certified copy of any document; they will photocopy the orginal document for you, then someone will stamp it with something like “Certified Original” or sometime like that and then signed and date it.

They will not produce a brand new document with the heading as “Certified Copy of……” and re-type all the information from the orginal…

A certified copy of any document is exactly the same as the original except that, it is photocopied, with a stamp or something deeming it to be certified and a signature and the date it was certified.

This forger have taken the birther's money and gave them an obvious fake, he must have known that, they do not have a clue.


continuum
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

When are the courts going to start fining these lawyers and plaintiffs who bring these frivolous suits. Minimally, they should start paying hefty court costs. Once these nutjobbers start paying for this nonsense out of their pockets, they will begin to think twice before wasting our time.


neonzx
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

Obama's lawyers for the crazy birther lawsuits are providing their services pro bono. No tax payer monies are being used.

Further, President Obama has released more than what is required by the U.S. Constitution.

Don't believe me? Show me G.W. Bush's birth certificate. Or Clinton's, GHW Bush's, Reagan's, Carter's, Ford's, Nixon's. You've never seen any of those. Why is the bar for the black guy so much higher?


BOD
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

What State Hospital did Birthers escape from? More security is needed to keep these loonys in their cages.


captainsteve
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

Obama said he found his birth certificate in his book “Dreams of My Father.”

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!


newsmonger
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

The black guy won, get over it. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a Natural Born Citizen.

If otherwise, your question is sincere, this is the definition of a “Natural Born” as per the constitution and the laws of the United States of America. Taking a trip to local library will turn up the same facts…

Natural Born

Natural born citizenship is the acquirement of citizenship at the moment of birth.

There are only two types of natural born citizen:

Native-born is being born within the territory of the state or commonwealth under the principle of jus soli,
Attaining citizenship through the parents’ citizenship status under the principle of jus sanguinis.

Jus Soli

The principle of birthright citizenship gained through being born within a country is called jus soli (Latin for “right of soil”). It isn’t dependent on the citizenship of the parents.

In the United States the principle of jus soli goes back to before the creation of the Constitution. Territorial birthright citizenship was first formally established under English common law in the 1608 case of Calvin v. Smith (77 Eng. Rep. 377 (K.B. 1608)) whose decision was based upon the feudal relationship between a king or lord with their subjects in the early English feudal system.

The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution confirmed this birthright citizenship in the pertinent part of Section 1,

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Jus Sanguinis

The other natural born citizenship birthright is called jus sanguinis (Latin for “right of blood”). Jus sanguinis is based on having an ancestor or parent (often the father), who is a national or citizen of the state.[2]

Jus sanguinis has even a longer history under English common law than jus soli. The concept of jus sanguinis dates back to at least 1351 when the statute de Natis Ultra Mare (25 Edw. 3, Stat. 2 (1351)) was passed. This statute became necessary due to King Edwards III’s overseas military campaigns. The statute goes beyond just granting citizenship to the children of those in the King’s service, to include “all children born beyond the sea whose fathers and mothers were at the faith and ligeance of the king of England, and provided that the mothers had gone outside the realm with the permission of their husbands, could inherit, i.e., that they were subjects.”

The concept of Jus sanguinis did influence the creation of the Constitution in the United States. The Naturalization Act of 1790 ((1 Stat. 103) March 26, 1790) clarifies this type of natural born citizen by declaring that “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens.” Thusly the act establishes the United States citizenship of citizens’ children, who are born abroad, without the need for naturalization.

Congress again confirmed jus sanguinis citizenship birthright in the Naturalization Act of 1795 (January 29, 1795 (1 Stat. 414)) “and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States.” While this leaves out the term natural-born, it does declare them to be citizens by-birth through their parents and therefore do not need the process of naturalization to become citizens.


neonzx
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

In the Keyes v Bowen case, the court did:

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED, AND DECREED:

1 . That the First Amended Petition for Writ of Mandate is dismissed;
2, That respondent Secretary of State Debra Bowen shall recover costs in the amount of $350.00 pursuant to Government Code section 6103.5;
3 . That respondent President Barack Obama shall recover costs in the amount of $520.00;
4. That respondent Vice-President Joe Biden shall recover costs in the amount of $520.00;

A few hundred in costs… hardly the $1,000,000+ the birthers claim it has cost to fight these cases. LOL


Jeremy
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

When are people going to give up on this? Aren't there more important issues, and haven't the “birthers” pretty proven themselves to be the most naive people on earth despite claiming everyone else to be as such?

I'm glad there are people like David Weigel out there to set things straight, but I fear that, like 9/11 “truth,” this nonsense will never really go away.

-Jeremy
http://www.politics.com


neonzx
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

He said he found it when he was a teenager. Where does he claim he still has it?


denise55
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

Seems to me that if ALLLLLLLL the Obama people were smart enough to plan this whole thing 47 years ago they would surelyhave figured out how to get rid of a Kenyan birth certificate.

The arguments (not his birth certificate) make any sense. But, then that is not the point is it? These crazies are just intent on trying to smear, lie, lie and stir the hate and suspicion pot as much as they possibly can. Every time they lose steam they come up with another piece of “evidence.”

They are tiring and annoying and showing themselves to be truly disturbed.


heavyhitter
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Birthers don't want proof of what they don't believe; they want to hold onto doubt regardless of the evidence. They are willfully ignorant. Among the birthers, spiteful denial is what passes for healthy skepticism. They have simply come up with a new variation of “driving while black.” It’s called “being President while black.” They are essentially pulling Obama over and asking him to show his license and registration.


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Matthew Taylor
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Like Stephen Colbert said, “Finally we will get something more trustworthy than a government document, namely someone willing to say something for $10,000 cash.”


Commonsense
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

This looks like a fake to me. I can't believe some of you are willing to accept this and say you wouldn't accept a longform certificate from the state of Hawaii because it is “too late”. Talk about prejudice.

The reason the MSM hasn't reported this story is because the state of Hawaii has confirmed he was born there and there are also corroborating birth announcements.

I think you are all victims of a propaganda campaign but you deserve to be because you are so afreaid of Obama that you will latch on to anything to try to discredit him.

The simple fact is he won the election by a large majority. The country chose him.


jmp
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

Is her photo next to meshuggener in the dictionary? Possibly dreck too? Honestly, these shnooks are sooo easy, but as they say, never underestimate…


jmp
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

Nice handle. Remember to remove the pillow-case when you come up from the basement.


rickahyatt
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Are the Humiliating Comment-makers Netizens CHICOM or just ACORN?
Thank God for Attny. Taitz and her actions to save the US Constitution and the US, itself.
Ever notice: On ALL the search engine searches (Read they've been suppressing pro-birther results) the criticisms of all us “Birthers” is the same as they do in Red China?
There, the government employs a horde of “Netizens” to go to sites to humiliate & denigrate & suppress anti-government talk. They're paid about $.25 each, I've read.
Just like these apparent ACORN operatives do, they ALWAYS humiliate, denigrate, and use varying terms of “Mental Illness” in volume! Buzzwords like “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,”
That's what happens to the average Chinese when they type out loud, and the Chinese have even more “Mental Health” Prisons as do the Russians.
The apparent wave of the future for us here in Obamaland?
But the CHICOMS have been waging economic and PSYOPS warfare on us a long time. They've apparently continued their terroristic use of Biblical prophesies (Remember what they did on 6/6/6?) by creating as part of The Big 0's Economic Manchurian Candidate grooming and Legend, that he's actually the Anti-Christ (Imagine the desired reactions.) That his name, “Barrack Obama,” means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew in the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…
This creation of a well-groomed “Legend,” part of an overall economic warfare agenda, taking over at the top, is as old espionage craft as is planting ads in prominent Hawaii newspapers, making myth become “The Truth.”


guest
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

1) He has posted his short-form which is an official state document. Why are millions of Americans unwilling to accept what the state of Hawaii has told them is a legitimate document? Why don't they trust the state of Hawaii? What is the matter with them?

2) Obama supporters accept the proof already posted and verified by the state of Hawaii. The majority of Americans sees this whole escapade as an organized political attack in which a group of unwitting Americans has bee duped by into doubting the veracity of the state of Hawaii.


neonzx
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

rickahyatt said:
“That his name, “Barrack Obama,” means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew in the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News.”

And you have to wonder why we terms like “Mental Illness”, “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,” etc to describe you birthers?

LMAO!


Tarc
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

I love watching Birther wingnuts fly off the deep end every time that “esteemed” lawyers, Ms. Oily Taint, tosses them another scrap from the table. A dentist with a law-degree-by-mail is not exactly the cream of the crop y'know.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Geez I’ve seen some serious wingnuts who are birthers but I gotta hand it to ya rick you are one serious nutjob. How long ago did you escape the asylum? Did you at least bring some meds with you? Oh never mind, even if you did, they obviously ran out.

And as for Oily Taint, you really think ANYONE takes her seriously except you birther wingnuts?

By the way, the Bar Association is trying to get nutjob Taint disbarraed.

http://progressivenation.us/2009/08/03/disbarment-of-orly-taitz-sought-by-california-bar/


Nick
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Kenya's Constitution was adopted in 1963, and it explicitly refers to the nation as a “republic.”

Besides, the real issue is that regardless of where Obama was born, he was a British citizen at birth thru his father as his citizenship was governed under the British Nationality Act of 1948. He admitted as much on his official Fight the Smears website. The question, to paraphrase from Leo Donofrio, Esq., is this: how can a natural born United States citizen be governed at birth by British/foreign citizenship law?


CommonSense
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

To use the word insanity with regard to this issue would be an understatement!

I recently had to go down to my County Clerk's Office because I could not locate my original birth certificate. I could only find the one issued by the hospital. I too, was born in 1961. In Illinois, where I live, in order to obtain a passport or a marriage license, one must present an original birth certificate or obtain a copy. Hospital issued birth certificates (you know, the ones with your cute little foot prints and parent's finger prints on them) are not accepted. How obsurd that these blathering “birthers” are demanding a document(s) that is (are) not acceptable for obtaining a passport or marriage license as proof of our President's birthplace simply because they cannot get pass their inherent ideologies. How pathetically 21st century un-American this is!

The copy I recieved in order to get a marriage license and passport has “Certification of Vital Records” at the top, and no where does it list the hospital I was born at or have a doctor's signature on it. It also states “This is to certify that this is a true and correct abstract from the offical record filed with the Illinois Department of Public Health”. How is my copy any more or less valid than that of the POTUS?

The WND website also discusses school records, thesis papers, medical records, etc., etc., and questions why these are not available. All I can say to that is be careful what you “right wingers” wish for or demand as the same will asked for and demanded of your candidates and that will include Mrs. Palin. (Should decide to make a run in 2012) Now those records would be of vital importance! In fact, why don't we just introduce new legislation and require the same documents of all our elected officials? Ya think it would pass?

Please, stop the madness! It will be a cathartic experience that might just make some of you out there real Americans!


bob65
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

Give me a break. Do you hear yourself saying the state of Hawaii will not give the president of the USA a copy of his OWN long-form birth certificate?

That is absurd and I hope you know it……….


Margie
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

You birthers are a national joke. What a bunch of buffoons. This is so obviously a fake.
You guys are a three ring circus ran by the obviously deranged lawyer.
Send in the Clowns!!!


captainsteve
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

The short-form is not proof that he was born in Hawaii. It is available to children born elsewhere. That along with obama's hiding of all his records makes me wonder why. What is he hiding? He should lay out his case. If the evidence supports him, no problem.

None of that however overturns the problem of his dual citizenship because of his Kenyan/British father. BHO is not a natural-born citizen.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!


patgund
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

I've never understood why the birthers think that UK, Kenyan, or Indonesian citizenship laws somehow over-ride or invalidate US citizenship law.

Was he born here? Yes. Was his mom a citizen? Yes. Is he therefore a natural-born US citizen? Yes. Any other citizenships he might have had at birth doesn't matter to US law.


Pierce
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

Foreign citizenship law is irrelevant to US citizenship law. A person is a natural born citizen if the circumstances of their birth fulfill the requirements to make that person a US citizen. End of story.


terryparks
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

It might prove interesting to look at a few Birth Certificates of the ones born just before and after 7:24 PM 4 Aug 1961. Just before and after Certificate# 151 1961-010641 as shown on Lou Dobbs Show.


patgund
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

“That his name, “Barrack Obama,” means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew in the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News.”

You know, for someone who doesn't want to be called a “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional”, you're certainly doing a good job at proving you actually ARE a “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional”……


Pierce
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

The document states he was born in Honolulu. That is not available to children not born in Honolulu. The birth certificate he has released meets all the legal requirements for proof of citizenship, and there is ample supporting evidence that it is genuine. Unless you've got compelling evidence that it's a fake, then you need to STFU about it.

And his father's citizenship is completely irrelevant to whether or not he's a natural born citizenship. The circumstances of his birth make him a US citizen, and that makes him a natural born citizen. That's been settled US law for more than a century.


AcaciaJules
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

It doesn’t EXIST anymore! Everything went digital. Cant you read?


patgund
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Sam – I know your mensa mind has problems with little things like “facts” or “reality”, but:

1) Why? The state of Hawaii has produced and validated the document in question. And since you birthers already are claiming that a “long form forgery” is being aged as we speak, all the long form would do is give “Polarik” and Steve Cee something ELSE to claim is a forgery.

2) You mean the reward from that end-times “silver specialist” who's promoting the “New World Order” silver coins and claims he'll only give the $100,000 if it's proven to “his satisfaction”?? Which means he'll never pay because it will never be proven to “his satisfaction”. Typical birther lies.

And speaking of typical birther lies Mr. Sam Sewel, why do you keep hiding behind sockpuppet names? If you're going to post the same dreck over and over again, at least use the same name. Or vary the sockpuppets so it's not as obvious you're cutting and pasting.

As a former mensa member myself, I'm not impressed by you.


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Dexter Morgan
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Why is the bar for the black guy so much higher? I think the answer is in your question.


drlove999
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Is there anything wrong in asking him to show proof??…If u or I were pulled over by the police, we damn sure would have to produce something…Stop being such a dumbass moron and wake up from ur obama kool-aid nightmare!!!!


slimslowslider
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

CUZ THE CAPZ LOCK POSSES SEZ SO!


OldAtlantic
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

Kenya Independence Act of British government for Dec 12, 1963:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukp…

After Dec 12, 1963, Kenya was not a dominion since the link to the UK was severed.

Some talk of Mombasa as though on Dec 12, 1963, in a surprise birthday gift the entire city of Mombasa was given to Kenya without anyone being told in advance. Cities are not given away with no prior notice. More likely it was planned from the 1950's that Mombasa would go with Kenya. In any case, you apply to the current owning country in 1964 not the former one. It would be the job of Kenya to issue a certification of birth for a US divorce court in Feb 1964.

Results 1 – 10 of about 235 for lavender site:.ke.

You can check if those are soap ads.

Republic of Kenya has been shown in writings from before 1964. The process of Kenya going independent had been sent in motion earlier.

It seems likely the phrase Republic of Kenya is in the Kenya Constitution of Dec 1963. Again, Kenya was not suddenly told on Dec 12, 1963 they were independent when the UK passed a surprise law. They knew years in advance this was coming. They formed their own legislature and had elections years in advance. It was all prepared and widely known what parts of the country would go with it and so on. You don't suddenly tell people that after its happened.


drlove999
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Sir, u are an absolute idiot….You know nothing abot what makes a person a 'natural bron citizen”, and as far as settled US law, nothing could be farther from the truth..The COLB the obama campaign posted on the internet would not be sufficient to employ obama as a dog catcher anywhere USA..There is NO EVIDENCE supporting it is genuine…In fact, there is more than overwhelming evidence that it is a forgery..Besides, for all u simple-minded moron obama lovers, let me point out a salient fact…In 1961 NO ONE on planet earth listed the race of a black man on a birth certificate when naming father as “african”..They were all named “NEGRO”…Grow up and stop being so infantile stupid!!!


Dexter Morgan
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Actually, his name is BARACK Obama, not BARRACK. Can you loonies at least spell the guy's name correctly? As others have said, the black dude won. Get over it.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Weigel might have gotten something right for once. However, it might be helpful to note that both Dave Weigel and Ben Smith have earlier lied about other aspects of this issue that are related to what HI officials have and haven't said and are not related to any Kenyan certificates. If you trust either of them, see the links.


drlove999
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

Sir, please do additional research cause apparently u dont understand a damn thing u just wrote…The first thing u need to do in order to understand the difference between citizen and natural born citizen is go to Leo Donofrios' site and there u will be educated…Short of that, u will remain in the dark like millions of other americans who will go to their graves believing obama is a constitutionally qualified NBC….Grow up!!!


Yu Efo
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

It is interesting how Obama believers rush to his defense over and over, mainly to call skeptics names, but for some strange reason they don't call on Obama to simply release his long-form certificate. Oh yeah, all this is the birther's fault. Give me a break. Mr. Transparency apparently has a problem.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:11 am

You cannot produce a document that does not exist. A certificate of birth is , and never has been a birth certificate. He will not show one because he is a socialist dictator.


drlove999
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

if he would release his original long form birth certificate, it would satisfy everyone in america u left wing nut job idiotic moron…I mean exactly, what moonbat planet in our galaxy do u hail from??…What a frickin stupid comment…If he provided the long form u idiot, it would prove exactly what birthers are saying…obama is a fraud and was not born here!!!!


pharo
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

ALL REPUGLICANS NEED TO BE IMPALED ON A SPLINTERY WOODEN POLE SLOWLY


drlove999
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

The bar for the mulatto guy is higher because he has been less than honest with his personal records; where our other presidents have not…obamas online BC has been proven by several forensic document specialist to be a forgery giving more rise to suspicions….He has paid lawyers close to a million dollars to prevent his original BC from ever being produced….If there is smoke, there is fire…We have never in the history of the US had such an issue forced upon us as questions surrounding obamas lack of honesty or transparency when it comes to his records…Every former president u mentioned have turned over all documents as to who they are from their hospital,kindergarten, high school , college, law school, selective service records and health records, EXCEPT OBAMA…obama has caused the suspicious cloud that lingers over his so-called presidency, yet he REFUSES to come clean on the simplest request of all…No one fight so hard, so long, spends soo much money, spins so much fales information and propaganda, if they have NOTHING TO HIDE…Stop being an idiot!!!!


neonzx
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

President Obama has offered up his birth certificate, as provided by the state of Hawaii Department of Health. That document is, for all legal purposes, the same as this “long form” birthers keep whining about.

I, personally, do not need to see this “long form”. What is it going to have? A doctors signature from 50 years ago? Who the F cares?

I know, you want to believe in this Kenyan B.C., but you won't believe an official state document, nor testimony of state officials.

The hatred for Obama has short-circuited your reasoning ability..


Paul
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away their rights) and that’s who they need to focus on if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”.

In the same vein, to all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true, if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess he fooled them too?


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ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

RE: Dominion of Kenya v. Republic of Kenya. It has been suggested that the Republic of Kenya printed a bunch of forms in anticipation of becoming the Republic and was using those forms in early 1964 when the official change to Republic did not take place 8 months later.

A few seconds thought should show most reasonable people (i.e. not birthers) just how silly this claim is.

LEGALLY the country did not become the “Republic” until December 1963, so to suggest that a government bureaucrat would use a legal form he was not entitled to use is a stretch, to say the least.


Uncle Aina from Kauai
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

And how do the loonies explain the fact that his birth announcement was found in both Hawaiian newpapers from 1961? And then it has been found that these birth announcements are submitted by the hospitals directly to the newspapers?

Frankly I'd like to see one of the “birthers” go up to Obama, and tell him to his face that his mother did not deliver him in Honolulu, but in Mombasa. He could give them a good slap and say, “Don't be talking about my momma”.


propitiousmoment
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

I like the analogy. To take it a step further, they would then call in the license number to see if there are any outstanding warrants, or if the car has been reported stolen. That is essentially what has been done at step one of this whole conspiracy story: the HI authorities were contacted and verified that the certificate is legit (i.e., no warrants). A normal cop with any integrity would accept that and send the driver on his way. Not these guys; like you say, spiteful denial replaces healthy skepticism. Talk about straining at a gnat but swallowing a camel. Anyone who can't see that Orly Taitz is a nutjob has some serious credibility problems.


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

So, have any of the birthers explained why the birth was recorded on the “Kenyan BC” on August 5, 1961 a Saturday?

Were colonial government offices open on Saturdays?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:45 am

But that’s what the birthers say?

LOL

you birthers have been punked.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Stanley Ann Dunham was adventurous and wanted to meet Obama’s parents. Remember, she did marry him and have a child with him. That is more improbable than visiting his parents. If a girl in 1961 wants to have a black from Africa father her child, don’t you think she would want to meet his family in Africa?

In that scenario, she goes to Africa and meets the family at their home. They tell her that the hospitals are better in Mombasa because its a large city. Its at the end of a railroad line. So they took the train or car from the parents to the big city to have an English doctor and nurse deliver the child.

Then they went back to Hawaii. Hawaii law at that time let you register a birth outside of Hawaii if the mother is resident in Hawaii which she was.

Obama Sr. did go to Harvard despite getting a scholarship in New York that could support his wife. She did divorce him in March 1964. Those parts happened and are no more unlikely than that she wanted to visit the family in Africa.

That she married Obama Sr shows she was attracted to the romance of Africa. So she would want to go and visit it. Once there, Mombasa was a bigger city than where Obama’s family lived so they would tell her to go there to have the baby.


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

Mombasa didn’t even have an international airport until 1971. Why would Stanley Ann Dunham go there? It is over 500 miles from Obama sr’s village and in another country. Why not go to Nairobi, which was half the distance and twice as big?


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

What if Cuba passed a law that made everyone in America, except for left handed redheads, a Cuban citizen from birth. Does that mean we could only elect left handed redheads to be POTUS?


Ronin
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Obamabots crack me up. Just the other day they were crying that Barry shouldn't release his LONG FORM Birth Certificate (The short form the Obamabots bandy about can be obtained by foreign born individuals, like is half-sister did) because the “birthers” would call it a fake. But what do the Obamabots whine when confronted with Barry's Kenyan BC: IT'S A FORGERY! This spurious claim is not based on any evidence just assumptions or conjecture or silliness like the Registrars name is Lavender. Hardy-har. Have any of you Obamabots seen a 1964 Kenyan BC to make an actual comparison? You will because contemporaneous documents are bound to show up on the web. I'm sure the Bots will call them forgeries, too. Taitz is not even claiming that this BC is real, she is asking the Court to authenticate this document with actual evidence, none of which will be willingly provided by Barry Soetoro, he hasn't shown us anything so far. The Obamabots are just as bad as the Bushbots in the denying reality department.


okojo
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

He doesn't have to release his long form birth certificate, as much as President George W. Bush didn't have to release the details of his birth details from New Haven Connecticut.

President Obama has release all the pertinent information to show he was born in Hawaii in 1961. COLB is a legal document to obtain a driver license or a US Passport.. It states that the State of Hawaii has a legitimate birth certificate and the COLB certifies that.

The case is closed. Obama has shown the requirement that he a natural born citizen of the US. It doesn't really take much, like a legally binding document as his COLB.


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Ah, but that is not his “Kenyan B.C.” It is just a certification, an abstract of the official record created years after he was born. (just like the Hawaiian COLB). Show us the original form!!!!!


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

The birth anouncement that were made in August of 1961.

How did the Hawaiian registrar record his birth on August 8, 1961?


Jean
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:07 am

What you fail to mention in this convaluted scenario is that anyone born under these circumstances with an american citizen as a mother has only to be registered with the local american consulate to be a bona fide american citizen. It’s other countries that may recognize you also as thier citizens, and if that was so you have dual citizenship and at the age of 21 will have to decide which one you will now claim. Nothing dual after 21. But nevetheless upon choosing american citizenship you are a true born citizen.


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

BTW

Ronin: “she is asking the Court to authenticate this document with actual evidence”

That is not the court's job.

That is her job.


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

Ronin, can you explain why the birth was recorded on the “Kenyan BC” on August 5, 1961 a Saturday?

Were colonial government offices open on Saturdays?


Ronin
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Under Hawaiian law, a person born in a foreign country can get a Hawaiian Birth Certificate like the one Barry has shown on T.V. And it would be legally valid as the State of Hawaii has claimed. The “Long Form” with the hospital name and the doctors signature or their absence would help prove where Barry was born, just like the Kenyan Register of Birth Book 44B as indicated on the Kenyan BC. What's wrong with looking at this evidence? What's there to hide?


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

BTW, it’s called the “Coast Provincial General Hospital,” not the “Coast General Hospital.”

One more error


Graham Shevlin
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Have you never heard of the concept of dual citizenship? There are plenty of people born with dual citizenship,and others that acquire it at some point during their lives. Citizenship is not a binary concept. Please go away and actually do some research. It might prevent you from coming here and looking like a bloviating fool.


Graham Shevlin
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

Captainsteve, let me introduce you a pesky legal concept. It's called “prove your case”.
Right now, Barack Obama is the 44th President of the United States. His application to run for the Presidency was filed and accepted, he won his party's nomination, ran for the office and was elected. He was sworn in (twice) by the Chief Justice of the USA in front of a lot of witnesses.
Under US Law, if you want to remove him as the President, the burden of proof rests with you as to why he is not the President. He does not have to prove a thing.
So…either you produce some compelling evidence that he is not qualified or eligible to be the POTUS, or you have no case.
Over to you.


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Said Hawaiian law did not exist until 1982. Why do you lie?


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

Why does the “Kenyan B.C. list his mother's name as Stanley Ann Obama? She never took his name.


James
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

EF Lavender is a popular soap in Kenya – Earth Friendly Lavender.

Other noteworthy points:

* The fake document is dated February, 1964 from the “Republic of Kenya”. Kenya did not become a republic until December 12, 1964.

* The fake document says the birth was registered on August 5, 1964 (Obama was born on 8/4/61) — a Saturday. I can find nothing anywhere that says the government offices were ever open on Saturdays. All I could find says that government offices close early on Fridays and are not open on Saturdays.

* The document number on the fake is 47O44. Obama is 47 years old and is the 44th president. And, the letter O is positioned where the 0 should be. Look carefully and you'll see the difference. What are the odds that this would be a legitimate number? Has anyone thought to look up the other births registered for that day or previous day to see if this number is actually in sequence?

* Has anyone validated the age of the paper the document was printed on?

* The name of the hospital is Coast Provincial General Hospital, sometimes called Coast Province General Hospital, not Coast General Hospital. Anyone in an official capacity in Kenya would know the correct name of the hospital.

* The fakers didn't check the history of Mombasa before forging the document. Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.

* Question: Why would a nation with a large number of Muslim citizens have on an official, printed birth document form which asks for the “Christian name”?

* The province name is incorrect. Central Nyanza District is the correct name, not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed from districts to provinces in 1970.

There is a website (forgot to link) that has the blank document that can be downloaded so that we can all have Kenyan “official” birth certificates. We could make Rush et al “official” Kenyan citizens with such irrefutable proof!

I'm thinking that this document was produced as a joke and the joker, Orly Taitz, (attorney, dentist, and real estate agent), has been punked.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:30 am

why dont you ask a natural born citizen of the US, born in HI, to simply produce their LFBC to illustrate how easy it is? why hasnt the web been flooded with them yet???


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:38 am

Clarence Thomas for president. Yes. Dr. Thomas Sowell for president. Yes. Michael Steele for president. Yes.

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calbearinillinois
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

The costs are not the same as attorney's fees. You get costs when you win cleanly. You only get fees in the US system when there's a finding of impropriety by the other side, typically on motion after you win. Orly, Berg et al have lost on procedural issues to date, so moving for fees would be unusual. The continued re-filing of bogus claims, though, and submitting bs like this, is how you get yourself in trouble with the bar and eventually upset everyone enough to order you to pay legal fees.


calbearinillinois
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

So you are seriously trying to claim that Obama's father and mother traveled from Hawaii (where they had met, married and she had family) to Mombassa, Zanzibar in 1961 (roughly 1000 miles from his family, 4000 from hers, where they knew no one and where there was no airport) for the purpose of giving birth to their first child? Apparently with the mother having no passport? Then got papers in Hawaii to break their policies and run privately placed (not from the dept of Records) announcements indicating birth in Hawaii? Then moved back to Hawaii, only for the father to then leave to go to Harvard without his wife and son because he couldn't afford to move them to Massachussetts? Seriously? That is more ridiculous than anything else said to date.


ant
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Well, yeah, they were broke. They spent all their money on air fare and government bribes. . . .


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el pinche
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Haha, you birthers are too easy. You dumbasses are taking the bait and destroying what's left of the GOP and America. Wake up sheeple!! Orally Taintz works for the Obama administration. She's a Russian national (probably an illegal) and former USSR communist , former KGB agent working with the Left to topple the US into a miserable Socialist existence. It's easy for taitz, being a commie, to support the cause. Keep it up sheeple, AMERICA IS LOST.


mikeashland
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

When John McCain's citizenship status was challenged by lefty wingnuts in the last presidential election (because he definitely WAS born outside the US), rather than encourage the confusion and madness or even sit silent and let it fest, it was Senator Barack Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton who introduced a bill before congress certifying John McCain a natural born citizen of the US. THAT is how idiotic problems like this are handled. Class, not fantasy and hatred. Republicans and Birthers, take note. Get out of 6th grade and help us start governing again..
For reference: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2008/05/01/clinton…


calbearinillinois
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Authentication is something a party presenting a document has to do when they proffer the document. Some documents are self-authenticating – this isn't. That means verification and proof of validity is on Taitz to provide, or its a non-starter.

It wouldn't take much for her to get verification if this was a legit document. Basically you need a verification from the proper individual/officer as to the proper form and infromation in the document. Like what the Hawaiian officials have been offering up, over and over – but you don't accept. Her inability to get any such verification will prevent any court from considering the document on its merits.

That Taitz doesn't get basic procedure shouldn't surprise anyone – she has no real law practice, which is where you really learn these tools (civ pro in law school and the bar focuses on bigger concepts like standing and abstention over political questions, which she's also shown repeatedly she doesn't get).


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:27 am

And by Florida you mean what, Jean? Do you mean the northern panhandle, which is more red state? Or do you mean Miami and the Dade County area, which has alot of jewish and northern residents? Or do you mean the Cuban and Hatian immigrants that have come here? Or the eastern europeans that have come here? Will you just wash all our mouths out with soap, to be on the safe side?


calbearinillinois
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Couple of other little things. On the one hand, the document claims at one point to be registered Aug 5 (as noted, a Saturday). Later though it claims it was registered August 8 or 9 (can't read it that clearly). The dates on the header and footer don't match, either. If its a duplicate, re-typed record (not a copy as stated in the header) then the date of the document should be 1964 in both header and footer, not 1961 at the top and 1964 at the bottom. If it was in fact a copy (and I'm not sure anyone would have used that term in 1964 since most people had never seen a true copy machine), not only would it presumably not have a label of copy but it would have the 3 signatures for the informant, regristrar etc.
Finally -and this is just something that caught my eye – whoever filled this out didn't understand the living/dead issue lines. The idea is to list any prior births and deaths to the marriage. Here, though, both lines state “all” suggesting there were both prior births and deaths other than President Obama. What it would say for a first birth normally is none on both lines.


happycozy (felicia)
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

You're being too rational for the birthers.


Pitt
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

The Birthers Movement (BM) started way too soon. Their fascist, racist, enterprise is already backfiring and should be carbon compounds by the time the Health Care Reform Bill reaches Obama's desk.

Denial is characteristic of most lunatics, and the B.M. has gone deep. Just another weight to bare for the totalitarian elephant.

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JoAnn Sharp
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Enough.
This is so embarassing to the conservatives and Republicans.
Enough of being the laughing stock of the world.
Barack Obama IS the president and there is NOT one thing that these silly CT are going to produce other than ridicule.
Rush, Dobbs, Redstate, FreeRepublic, etal better SOON put an END to this absolute silliness.
How about these people get back to REAL business and quit acting like foolish children.


kamusondo
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

LMAO!!! As a kenyan, and coming from one of the most corrupt countries in the world (not proud about it), I could present to the world George Bush's Kenyan Birth certificate all for the price of $20. Any one in Kenya knows a document from the government carries no weight, that is why when you need to take care of business, the vouching process can be very lengthy. Any idiot can buy a birth certificate, passport, death certificate in kenya……in as much as we love Obama, he is not one of us….he is what we call a 0.5 or a half-caste, or a pointie…


devans00
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Shaking my head.

Wow, those Birthers are really desperate.


devans00
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

Right on!

Adult supervision on the Republican side is needed to kill or reduce the Birther hysteria.


Orly Taitz: MSNBC Train Wreck (VIDEO) | Blippitt
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[...] Taitz was on MSNBC to promote that Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that was torn apart about 30 minutes after it hit the [...]


Jesse Stutzman
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

I hope whoever sold this to Taitz got a ridiculous sum of money for it.


ddadm09
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

I never thought birth of Obama will become such a big discussion topic. I am following this closely to see where this conspiracy ends. Meanwhile I have collected some good articles and sites related to Barack Obama (more than 200 sites or articles). If you are interested take a look at the below link
http://markthispage.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-do…


Charlotte
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

Please don't forget she is also a real estate agent. Lawyer, dentist and real estate agent. How does she find the time?


rogerrramjet
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:46 pm

Holy Mackerel.

You got all those sites together?

WOW. Interesting reading but a LONG read.


rogerrramjet
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

Just what I was thinking.

Oily Taint is just plain an embarrassment to the USA.


rogerrramjet
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

Lies are all the Birthers have and even then that law is pretty specific about WHO can claim birth. Not just anyone can come to Hawaii and get a BC claiming birth in Hawaii.


A
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

politijab.com forum has now definitively DEBUNKED the Kenyan BC. One of their members found the document the fake BC was modeled from on the internet!

For the full story, and the link to the model doc, visit the politijab.com forum!


Scab
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

Obama sucks. I wish he wasn't the president.


A
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

Kenyan BC completely DEBUNKED!!!!!!

log in to forum at Politijab.com to see the full story…

http://politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&…


Park_Supervisor
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Well, the 2000 election was clearly rigged and the 2004 was most likely rigged; what goes around comes around. I had to suck up dealing with a national leader so stupid his Alma Mater didn't want to host his presidential library (like they couldn't just put his copy of The Very Hungry Caterpillar on a shelf in a janitor's closet with a plaque on the door). Birthers are just going to have to get used to the taste of defeat, justified or not.


realamericanpatriot
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

I dont give a rats ass whether the usurper in The White House was born in Kenya,Indonesia or the effing moon……….he is STILL a effing idiot & you assholes that voted his dumbass in office are to blame. You dumbasses wanta buy some swamp here in Fla..? I will happily sell you a shitload!


reta
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

you birthers are ridiculous. U r just mad because obama is doing a great job as opposed to the f''ed up job bush left, where was all your concern then. Do y'all really think obama is worried about your idiotic scheme. AH, NO, he is too busy handling the country's business, and handling it he is, and you can't stand it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

MAY GOD BLESS PRESIDENT OBAMA….


reta
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

you birthers are ridiculous. U r just mad because obama is doing a great job as opposed to the f''ed up job bush left, where was all your concern then. Do y'all really think obama is worried about your idiotic scheme. AH, NO, he is too busy handling the country's business, and handling it he is, and you can't stand it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

MAY GOD BLESS PRESIDENT OBAMA….


reta
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

you birthers are ridiculous. U r just mad because obama is doing a great job as opposed to the f''ed up job bush left, where was all your concern then. Do y'all really think obama is worried about your idiotic scheme. AH, NO, he is too busy handling the country's business, and handling it he is, and you can't stand it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

MAY GOD BLESS PRESIDENT OBAMA….


reta
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

you birthers are ridiculous. U r just mad because obama is doing a great job as opposed to the f''ed up job bush left, where was all your concern then. Do y'all really think obama is worried about your idiotic scheme. AH, NO, he is too busy handling the country's business, and handling it he is, and you can't stand it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

MAY GOD BLESS PRESIDENT OBAMA….


SpacelySpaceSprockets
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

Thanks for playing. What do we have for him, Bob? We have a lovely parting gift, your own genuwine “Kenyan Birth Certificate”. Yes for only $49.95, you too can be part of the Great Satanic Muslim Kenyan-Hawaiian UFO Birth Konspiracy. Act fast, because you know crazy sells like hotcakes these days. Offer only valid in MO, MS, GA, FL, AL, TX, OK, LA, SC, NC. Get your's today!!!!!


RadioPatriot
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

Weigel,

You're basing your assessment on a spoof copy of the certificate. I direct you to this post where you will see the original and the spoof compared.

About Obama's alleged Kenyan BC…

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307402/…


SpacelySpaceSprockets
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

Finally, a birther telling the truth…cuz that's the bottom line. Can't stand that Uppity Negro at Pennsylvania 1-6-0-0.


cjj1
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

LMAO!!!
Deep down, the birthers really just think it should be illegal for a black man to be president.


cjj1
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

LMAO!!! Deep down, the birthers really think it should be illegal for a black man to be president still…hence all this ruckus.


realamericanpatriot
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

Barack is an effing idiot no matter where he was hatched……a bonafide Demorat IDIOT


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:25 am

Because he does not want to cure the Illness afflictig the birthers. You see, hese people are so stupid that society should let them suffer from headache, seizures and other derangement deserved by crazy people. Slowly their skull will burst and they will disappear one by one. releasing the ertificate could cure this but why save the unproductive lunatics of the society? Why?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:25 am

Because he does not want to cure the Illness afflictig the birthers. You see, hese people are so stupid that society should let them suffer from headache, seizures and other derangement deserved by crazy people. Slowly their skull will burst and they will disappear one by one. releasing the ertificate could cure this but why save the unproductive lunatics of the society? Why?


people365
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

you really are more stupid than I gave your kind credit for.


Lefftee
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

Oh, now thst's good. But you forgot one state, AK. Don't deny our artic cracker a chance to get their own collectable.


A
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Check this out over at the Politijab forum (you have to log in to view the thread):

http://politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&…

Seems one of the PJ members found a document on the internet that the fake Kenyan BC was created from!!!


Name
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

Anyone else find it interesting that a birth certificate issued in a predominantly Muslim part of a highly religiously charged country could state a baby's “Christian” name without provoking riots from Muslims claiming that the Christians were secretly trying to convert Muslim babies to Christianity? I think not!

Yawn, another fake. Next please.


nobullroar
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

The level of discourse reflected by the comments below is truly breathtaking, and bodes ill for the future of the nation.


fairlane
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

You're not a “Skeptic.”

YOU ARE A DIPSHIT!!

Huge difference.

You twits don't even know the meaning of the words you use.

Go to the bookstore, purchase map of the world, find Atlantis on said map, go to boat store, purchase boat, return home, pack up family, go to grocery store, stock up on supplies, drive family to dock, load boat with family and supplies, start boat, point bow of boat toward Atlantis.


marklang
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

Jesus Christ!!!

If Obama was born in the US THEN JUST SHOW HIS DAMN BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT PROVES THAT!!!

The more you babble without producing the evidence, the more likely it is that said evidence does not exist. This article is simply more proof that the alleged Hawain birth certificate DOES NOT EXIST. The more proclomations are made without simply producing the evidence, the more likely it is that said evidence does not exist.

This is logic that 8-year-olds understand. Apparently liberals are not as intelligent as 8-year-olds.

JUST SHOW THE DAMN BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!! NO MORE BABBLE TO AVOID SHOWING IT, JUST SHOW IT OR SHUT UP!!!

SHOW THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE OR SIMPLY ADMIT THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST! Those are the only two options left at this point.

Until the birth certificate is produce, all intelligent people MUST assume that it does not exist and Obama was not born in the US.

Any 8-year-old can tell you that…


gruffteddybear
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

Orly Taitz is an idiot. She deserved to be disbarred. The birthers have got to be the dumbest group of people in the country. Obama has shown his birth certificate. The state of Hawaii has, twice I believe, released a statement confirming the legitimacy of that birth certificate, even a right wing blog or something like that has stated the birth certificate is legitimate. This is complete nonsense and needs to stop.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

AGREED!


Rhonda
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:01 am

Wow Marklang sure appears to have some anger issues


gruffteddybear
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:03 am

The birth certificate was released and has twice been confirmed to be authentic by the state of Hawaii. Obviously you are dumber than a Liberal to not see that. Even a right wing organization has stated the birth certificate is real. Get a life.


betsy
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:05 am

Why does anyone care what the “birthers” are doing or thinking…how is it in any way “news?” There wouldn't be daily publicizing about people who think aliens get into their heads, so they wear little aluminum hats to keep them out, so why are these similar whack-jobs given media space?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:07 am

LOL! Agreed! You're telling it like it is. Some would have rather had 8 more years of what we just survived than President Obama in office.


Sluggosworld
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:08 am

What a bunch of knuckleheads the birthers are.
Ah tell u whut, less see yorn birth sertifikates, ifn you realy hav won. U wud need to now who u daddy is


clinster
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:10 am

I know this is a silly thing to interject, but wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham an American citizen at the time of Barack Obama's birth? If that is true, it doesn't matter if he was born on Mars, because he's still a natural-born American citizen. If Mommy is American, she gets to take her baby home to America. At worst, Obama would have dual citizenship, and the Constitution has no language denying the presidency on those grounds. At any rate, he is demonstrably an American citizen, born of an American citizen, who has resided his entire adult life and paid taxes in the U.S. And he won the election. He's president until 2012, and probably 2016 if the Republican party keeps giving merit to this lunacy.


Sluggosworld
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Get over it already, It doesn't see to me the bitchers, hmmm I mean birthers really have much of a case. There were some forged ones floating about. Maybe if they were written in crayon…………


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:13 am

ALL LEVEL HEADED FOLKS…

Do we REALLY want to stop the birther movement? We all know how funny it is to occassionaly look up to see how stupid they should “today” compared to “last week”. Yes, they sound more foolish and less credible with each new “development” or lawsuit.

I find it all hilarious. What I find the most hilarious of all is that they really thought they would block him from being sworn in as President.

If I was a credible Republican (I know, oxymoron at the moment) I would quickly and publicly dismiss birthers as “far right wingers”.


rightrevreg
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:15 am

The preponderence of evidence is overwhelming, the lengths that dozens of people, including a Republican governor, would have to have gone to starting in 1961 to perpetrate this conspiracy are ridiculous, and the reason that the President isn't caving to the psycho babble of people like marklang and acquiescing to their demands is perfectly understandable. I wouldn't stoop to the level of the fringe group of birthers either. By marklang's logic, I demand that he prove that he DOESN'T receive the majority of his income from giving $10 tug jobs down at the local 7Eleven. I also demand that he prove that Shrub did NOT skip out on his military service, and that his daddy had NOTHING to do with his choice placement in the Guard. The more I hear from these nutjobs the more it's apparent that it has nothing to do with the Constitutional requirements of POTUS and everything to do with their asphyxiating over the black man in the White House.


rightrevreg
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:15 am

The preponderence of evidence is overwhelming, the lengths that dozens of people, including a Republican governor, would have to have gone to starting in 1961 to perpetrate this conspiracy are ridiculous, and the reason that the President isn't caving to the psycho babble of people like marklang and acquiescing to their demands is perfectly understandable. I wouldn't stoop to the level of the fringe group of birthers either. By marklang's logic, I demand that he prove that he DOESN'T receive the majority of his income from giving $10 tug jobs down at the local 7Eleven. I also demand that he prove that Shrub did NOT skip out on his military service, and that his daddy had NOTHING to do with his choice placement in the Guard. The more I hear from these nutjobs the more it's apparent that it has nothing to do with the Constitutional requirements of POTUS and everything to do with their asphyxiating over the black man in the White House.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:19 am

HA! The “bitcher” movement! LOL!

Agreed!


Don
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:34 am

Dual citizenship is not allowed with regards to the presidency.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:37 am

Its not that Spacely, I just like my uppity negroes to have some talent at what they do. You know, like Jackie Robinson or Colin Powell. See Sprockets, in the really, real world where many of us live, earning a position like President means putting in alot of hard work and maybe aquiring the skills needed to do a good job along the way. Now Spacey, if Jackie Robinson had gotten to the bigs by having all of pitchers he faced throw to him underhand, or maybe just got them disqualified before they could throw a pitch, he wouldn't have developed the judgement and character to become the great player he was. Now, I realize Clinton lowered the bar and then Bush dug a trench and buried the bar, but it takes more telling a compelling story coming across a teleprompter to be a good president. Boing!


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:46 am

I think you just proved your own point. Thank you, thank you, and again….Thank you!

P.S. Creating a fantasy world in your head and then attempting to make everyone conform to your fantasy world is also a classic trait of most lunatics.


James R Fox
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:48 am

We have here the usual problem with the right -wing,or “Boobus Americanus” as Mr H. L. Menkin christened them. You have to fail an I.Q. test to join,


clinster
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:51 am

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”
Dual-citizenship, as I said, is not addressed by the Constitution. I should also clarify- this was a hypothetical situation, in which the President was born outside the US and was still a natural-born citizen. Obama's citizenship would no longer be dual, in this scenario, because he chose to continue as an American citizen in adulthood. All of which is moot, because he was born in Hawaii.


Rip
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:55 am

Wait, so can somebody tell me why Obama still refuses to let the public see his long form birth certificate?

You know, like the actual document that proves where he was born?


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Where in the Constitution does it say that? And furthermore, where is there any significant evidence that Obama is a dual national under US Law? Even under the Birthers worst scenario (unbelievable that two impo verished students would fly to Kenya Colony to have a baby then rush back to the US to register the birth) Obama would have to deny his US and declare his Kenyan citizenship. Kenya insisted that all “dual nationals” declare their citizenship option soon after independence. Several whites (like Louis Leakey) actually did declare themselves “Kenyan”. But you had to make an affirmative declaration of such.


Pitt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:00 am

http://www.light-to-dark.com/Freedom_of_Choice….

It really is tough for republicans these days when faced with an African American who is magnitudes sharper than the sharpest wingnut in the box. Circuits simply short out, the jaw slackens, and the drool flows.

But hey, the best sheep are those that don't think independently and only seek authority. Thats why they voted twice for a dictator and his lap dog. They just can't think outside the box.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/cut_n_run.html


joyann
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:05 am

OK , this whole thing is ridiculous! By gosh some people flunked reading in school, no wonder our country is in trouble if one cannot read past 1st grade level. Marklang makes my case as do the birthers, they CANNOT read or they all suffer from dyslexia. So lil children get the “Little goat book” start from page one and tell what the story is about without looking it up!


merchantilist
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:06 am

Sorry about that.


Jean
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:10 am

Because Don at the age of 21 you have to discard one of those citizenships, therefore you no longer have dual citizenship when you are in your forties.

How do so many know so little about so much. You must be born here because naturalized citizens, immigrants, know more than you do about this matter.


msaveragejoe
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:10 am

Ok, so maybe it was a fraud. I don't care, really. I am not a “birther” but I am Average Joe American and I do wonder why the heck he hasn't produced the long form birth certificate? All these people running around with this “It's a fraud”, “No it's real” crap, and all he has to do to quash ALL of it is to shown the damn long form birth certificate. As the leader (assuming he WAS born in the US, because I choose to) of our country, he should not be doing ANYthing that would cause dissention among the people of this nation. By doing nothing, he his doing something: causing dissention. The fact that he hasn't said “Enough already, here is the damn long form of my birth certificate that you have been fighting about. Shut up and drop it already!” is what makes me go “hmmmm”. If someone was accusing me of a falsehood and I could prove them wrong, BELIEVE I would be like “whap-pow!” and whip out the proof, not ignore it and let it cause all kinds of drama. The thing that bothers me is, if he doesn't show it because he CAN'T, then we have a MAAAAJOR problem.
IMHO.


Pitt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:15 am

Let us support the BM and the fascistic undercurrent it displays for all to see. Presidential candidate Sen. McCain was born in a foreign country. Yet Obama, while Senator, helped grant McCain citizenship status to run for president. It's as if both Clinton and Obama knew the BM was coming.

If I were Obama, I'd never show my birth certificate to brownshirts intent on full time degradation for the duration of the presidency.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/finger_puppets.html


timothymoles
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:16 am

Here Here!!!. Welcome to a democracy. IF you support the United States of America and believe in what it stands, one nation under God, then support the winner of our chosen system no matter of person. Get to work once the ballots are casts.

God Bless to All
Timothy E. Moles – Oregon State


Jean
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:18 am

Mark, he has. Mark the certificate you are asking for would not, cannot, be accepted as proof of citizenship. Only the document produced by the state will get you married, a passport, and who knows what else. So you see, you continue to ask for a document that may show foot prints and be cute to look at but will not suffice.

Secondly, many of us may lose that cute little certificate you ask for; but the state does not lose the registration that was done to clarify who, what, when and where we were born.

Now I don't know any 8 year old who knows this, but I know Jesus Christ does and I also know I don't believe he would look kindly on your use of his name in this matter.

And as to intelligent people – they do know all this; or at the least know how to check out. I have to assume you are not one of them.

Sorry for your ignorance, it's not terminal, you can although you may not correct it.


scion_of_greed
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:18 am

The 'Kenya document' is just as phony as the one B. Hussein Obama had his minions post to the internet last year. To wit:

I've said it 100 times and I'll say it again: Barack, post a copy of your REAL, ORIGINAL BIRTH CIRTIFICATE to the internet (not HI's abbreviated, far more recent, signatureless copy.] If you do, this so-called brouhaha will die an overnight death. Why will you not comply with this simple request??

You wanted to be president, right? Then what have you to hide? Since this has become a bone of contention, we, the citizens of the United States of America, have a RIGHT to view a copy of the document that shows what hospital you were born at, the doctor who delivered you (with signature), the signature of the certificate registrar, all things that are certificate routiine and mundane for anybody who truly was “born in the USA.”

You said “change is coming.” Show us the birth certificate, and “you can keep the change.”


lottie345
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Someone posted that a dual citizen has to discard one of them at age 21 and opt for one citizenship. Not so – that was the law years ago but it changed and the USA adopted and recognizes dual citizenship, regardless of age, as do most developed countries.


tom_sawyer
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:22 am

Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963, with Kenyatta as premier.


Jean
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:22 am

Your command and usage of language does a diservice to a real american patriot.

Considering you claim that moniker for yourself I hope to see you refuse to take advantage of all the things to come that you so dissaprove of.

I like my Medicare and Social Security. Your a noble one to refuse these results of democrats. I will admire your rejection even though I think your foolish.


Jean
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:22 am

Your command and usage of language does a diservice to a real american patriot.

Considering you claim that moniker for yourself I hope to see you refuse to take advantage of all the things to come that you so dissaprove of.

I like my Medicare and Social Security. Your a noble one to refuse these results of democrats. I will admire your rejection even though I think your foolish.


Jean
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:25 am

Wow, Florida, no wonder. You do continue to let us know more about who you are by your rantings. At this point we kind of consider the source of these comments and don't give them any credence at all.

Someone should have washed your mouth out with soap. Or just maybe it was done but didn't take.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:26 am

So let me get this straight in the clear-as-a-bell logical world of the rightrevregolution. Clinton (our first black president) was a hero for ducking out of the Vietnam War because it was an unjust war. Bush, aka Shrub is a jackass for using his connections to get into a completely safe duty, which he then skipped out on for some reason. Kerry is a war hero for going to Viet Nam in protest and getting three purple hearts in a record-breaking weekend and then coming home and gaining political prominence by marrying not one, but two heiresses to financial fortunes (ah, the sweet smell of true love). And anyone who disagrees with the rightrevreg or his president is a racist redneck. Well, marklang's tugjobs may cost $10 (I am trusting that estimate to you rev, since you seem to be the free market expert on the price of tug jobs and the locations of 7-Elevens), but your president's tug job is costing me several trillion dollars. And its not really stimulating.


scion_of_greed
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:28 am

No, mon ami. “The best sheep” are those who swallow hook, line and sinker, the blatant guff they are fed. Given that Barack's father had three (3) other wives (great to be a Moslem, to be sure!), and that his mother schlepped Barack to Indonesia with hubby #2 for more than a decade (God only knows if Indonesia formally granted him citizenship at the time which, by the way, could seriously impair any claim of Barack's to U.S. citizenship), Baracks' life is one big, opaque, inverted telecope.

You want to worship at his altar? Fine. Others are not ready to fall to their knees quite just yet, Monica excepting.


Zbigniew Kissinger
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:29 am

No one has seen BHO's actual Birth Certificate, only a Certificate of Live Birth which is not a legal equivalent.
No one has seen BHO's college thesis, why won't he produce these important documents?
After 20 years with Rev. Wright and now the Gates/Crowley incident, the Hopey/Changey's still refuse to see BHO for the racist that he is. These people wouldn't even care if the Kenyan Birth Certificate and college thesis were somehow wrested from BHO's possession and made public. They have been brainwashed clean by a small group of global elitists who were able to install BHO despite numerous “irregularities” with his candidacy.
As the dismantling of America proceeds with more nationalization of private industry, more revocation of constitutional rights, expansions of NAFTA in the forms of CAFTA and SAFTA, the Hopey/Changeys will be cheering all the way. But too late, the day will come when they discover, for example, that health coverage is not the same as health care. When they are in need of comprehensive care for a life-threatening condition they will find only an inadequate government ration, certain death, and a medical staff telling them “Si se puede!”


thorswitch
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:31 am

It became independent, but it didn't change it's name to the Republic of Kenya until 12 December 1964. During that first year of independence, it was known as the Dominion of Kenya and things like money and stamps used the designation of “Kenya” on them, so it would be reasonable to think that they would have used either “The Dominion of Kenya” or plain “Kenya” on a birth certificate issued during that first year of independence, not the name they didn't have yet.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:32 am

It's simple betsy. It's the same reason global warming nuts, people who live in trees, single moms who have dozens of children with no financial means to take care of them, and people who wear aluminum hats to keep Dick Cheney from tapping into their inner-most thoughts get airtime. It's just darn good entertainment!


Synoia
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:33 am

It also states “Certified Copy of Birth Certificate”

The word “Certified” is not commonly used in British jurisprudence.

Also, birth certificates are not commonly used in Africa. The cost, 7s 6d, would have fed a family for a week in Kenya in the 1960s.

Finally, my son has two Birth Certificates,one in the US, and because both his parents were British, one in the UK. It's conceivable that Obama has two birth certificates.


joebee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:35 am

Birther News Flash:
You Lost, that failure Palin -seemingly impossibly – loses more every day, and Cheney's going to jail.

Bwahahahahahahahah!


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:35 am

Good job, Sluggo! You actually stereotyped and profiled a whole group of people you have never met or talked to in one short blog. You must be the pride of your chess club.


Laura G.
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:36 am

This whole “conspiracy” is one of the most racist and stupid things I have read in years. Why didn't anyone challenge George W. Bush. His family had a compound in Maine . . . maybe he is Canadian! Maybe Bill Clinton's mother had him in Mexico! No one asked these questions in previous years. Focus on something more important to this country.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:37 am

Congratulations, Sluggo! You were able to make a stereotype and profile a whole group of people in a three sentence blog. You must be the pride of your chess club.


mylzhi
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:38 am

ummm as i previously commented……….
why arent these forums overwhelmed with NBCs born in HI overwhelmed by individual uploads of their redacted Lonf Form BC's so I can understand howeasy it is??


talkshowamerica
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:38 am

One of the issues Taitz must deal with will be the authentication of the document. Critics immediately jumped on the Feb. 17, 1964, date for the document, explaining that the “republic” of Kenya wasn't assembled until in December of that year.

Media Matters wrote, “Sorry, WorldNetDaily: Kenya wasn't a republic until Dec. 1964.”

But Kenya's official independence was in 1963, and any number of labels could have been applied to government documents during that time period.

At Ameriborn Constitution News, the researcher noted that the independence process for the nation actually started taking as early as 1957, when there were the first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council.

“Kenya became an Independent Republic, December 12, 1963, which gives more [credibility] that this is a true document,” the website stated.

The 1963 independence is corroborated by several other information sources, including the online African History.

Even the People Daily news agency cited, on Dec. 12, 2005, the “42nd independence anniversary” in Nairobi. “The country gained independence from Britain on Dec. 12, 1963,” the report said.

An online copy of the Kenya Constitution, “adopted in 1963, amended in 1999,” states: “CHAPTER I – THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, Article 1, Kenya is a sovereign Republic. Article 1A, The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state…”


johnnydelgado
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:38 am

Can we say bye bye odumbo, hahahahahaha can you help me say bye bye obama, hahahahahahahaha, can someone please tell me what obama is doing, that he know we Americans know he is an usurper, pleas help me to explain my child when he get to be old enough to vote….


jimbos
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:39 am

But it all must come to pass. They are all blinded and made deaf; they are unable to witness truth and will suffer greatly for it.

Feel pity, understanding their fate.


hardtothrill
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:40 am

Being a “citizen” does not automatically make one a “natural born citizen”. To qualify for president, you have to be “natural born”. In Barry's case, if he was born out of the country, he would be disqualified.

Regardless, Barry has spent nearly a million dollars hiding SOMETHING – and not just his birth certificate – all the records that all of his predecessors have disclosed. (And that something must be pretty big for him to justify the expediture of so much resource to conceal it.) He has proven to be the LEAST transparent president this country has ever had. Just one of his many campaign promise violations.

Oh, and this non-Leftist, non-Liberal has an IQ of 142. Barry's is only 131. What's yours? (And I attended better schools, too)


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:41 am

No James, you have to pass one not given by a public school.


Zbigniew Kissinger
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Yes, dprwdr is correct, my terminology was wrong. A Certificate of Live Birth is the same as a Birth Certificate. A Certification of Live Birth is not the same and in some states is not sufficient to secure a Drivers License, Passport, etc, because it is a short form with less information and is more easily forged. BHO and his globalist handlers produced a Certification of Live Birth which is why this controversy is still on-going. So, dprwdr, if you were able to produce a Certificate, why can’t BHO? Why would anyone believe anything he says after he has reneged on all of his campaign promises? Please allow me to refresh your memory:
1. He once agreed to accept public financing for the election and then turned around and built, by far, the largest private campaign warchest in world history.
2. He promised an end to the status quo, no Washington insiders and then gave us Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano, etc.
3. He promised transparency in government and rammed through 1000 page bills that no one had a chance to read, Cap and Trade being sold as good for the environment but is actually nothing more than a tax on business, Universal health coverage that has his followers in a tizzy but is yet another tax, another large-scale nationalization, one which will result in a decline in health care that will prove fatal to many Americans, BHO worshipers and non-worshipers alike.
4. He promised a post-racial era for America and last week demonstrated his own racism in the Gates/Crowley incident, then chose not to apologize saying he could have “calibrated” his words differently, then kept the conversation between Gates/Crowley/Biden/Obama secret, with video but no audio. For the benefit of those who don’t know, Crowley has taught a racial profiling class at a police academy for 5 years, having been hand-picked for that job by an African-American police commissioner. He also tried to save the life of basketball star Reggie Lewis 16 years ago by giving him mouth-to mouth resuscitation after he suffered a heart attack. Yet, our president was quick to conclude that Gates must have been the victim because of his ethnicity…folks, that’s just bald-faced racism ala Rev. Wright!
OK, alright, already…what does this have to do with a Birth Certificate and BHO’s eligibility? In lieu of a Birth Certificate or Certificate of Live Birth, I present this information as evidence that no one really knows who BHO is, where he was born, the extent to which he hates America and wants desperately to preside over its demise and eventual assimilation into the global collective being put into place by his handlers at the top of the world. To those who would dismiss that notion as “conspiracy theory”, I leave you with two thoughts to consider:
1. History is rife with conspiracy, indeed nearly all major events in history involve an element of conspiracy.
2. The drive to ratify NAFTA was spearheaded by Rahm Emanuel and is our version of the European Union. There is no French franc, no German mark, etc, only the Euro. When the global elite has finished destroying our economy and completely debases the U.S. dollar, they will introduce a new form of currency, probably called the Amero. CAFTA and SAFTA will collectivize the entire Western Hemisphere and similar entities will emerge in Africa and Asia. Having eliminated the sovereignty of individual nations through seemingly harmless trade agreements, the global elite will then be one step away from completing a process that began long before we were born, one that all U.S. presidents in the last century were active participants in. How is BHO different? Depending on how you see it, he’s either looking down his nose at you, or you’re looking up his nose. Be careful what you wish for!


Name
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:49 am

If they're going to lie to try and slander the president, you think they'd at least do it in a more intelligent way. Morons, the lot of them.


scion_of_greed
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:51 am

You really shouldn't be quoting H. L. Mencken. Doubt you know much about him. (Read Terry Teachout's biography, for starters.)

Given what Mencken penned about our country's then most famous socialist, FDR, Mencken would have had no truck today for Zerobama, who openly expressed his intent more recently to “spread the wealth,” much to the consternation of “Joe the Plumber.” Indeed, it was Mencken who famously called democrats “the party of parasites.” Amazing how the label so eminently fits, and for so many decades…


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:54 am

I would like to to include some other names who were great at thinking outside of the box. Marx, Carrot Top, Tim Burton, Gallagher, Stalin, Andy Warhol, Mr. Magoo and the advertising team for Burger King. You're right Pitt, there are alot of good ideas outside the box, but there are also a whole lot of crappy ones. Oh, and thanks for the republican comment. It's comforting to know that stereotyping is not the the franchise of just one race.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:04 am

Congress held hearings to look into McCain's qualifications before this last election because he was born in the Canal Zone while his father was on active duty. So yes, people asked questions in previous years, if last year is a previous year. I know its popular to say that any questioning of Obama is racist, but if you can't register your kid for school, get a driver's license or a social security card without a birth certificate as a normal citizen, then there might be a point that should be made.


thorswitch
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:06 am

Oh, please, people, don't tell me you're so naive as to think that his showing the “long-form” birth certificate would shut down the complaints! It wouldn't even begin to make a dent. These people don't want proof he's legitimately qualified to be president, they want to prove he ISN'T, so anything contrary to that will be dismissed in one way or another.

Consider the reaction birthers have had to the revelation that this latest “Kenyan Birth Certificate” is a hoax: Many of them are already saying that the “Obots” made the fake Australian one to discredit the “real” Kenyan one, and then “discovered” it on the internet (never mind that folks at politijab have found a page at the wayback machine linking to the Australian certificate that is dated sometime in the 1990's.)

Besides, they're already ready with their next objection. So what if we can prove he was born in Hawaii? According to Orly Taitz and many of her followers, both of your parents have to be American in order for you to be a “natural born citizen” and Obama's father was Kenyan and a subject of the British Crown with British citizenship, so Obama still loses.

Oh, and if it turns out that it doesn't matter if neither, one or both of your parents were Americans as long as you were born on American soil (which, btw, IS how it works – you just have to be born on American land to be a natural born American citizen) then Obama is illegitimate because he was adopted by his mother's Indonesian 2nd husband (though as far as I know NO ONE has produced a record of such) and since Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenships, Obama lost his American Citizenship.

And I'm sure they'll come up with something else when they found out that America doesn't give a fig whether Indonesia allows for dual citizenship or not, as far as America is concerns, if you're born an American you're ALWAYS an American unless – AS AN ADULT – you voluntarily give up your citizenship (or lose it as a result of clearly specified criminal acts.) So, even if they can prove his step-father adopted him, he's STILL a natural-born American citizen and STILL eligible to be President.

So, see, showing the birth certificate isn't gonna do a goddamned thing to shut the birthers up. They're not willing to be proved wrong – and given that a recent poll showed that most birthers are older, white, Southern Republicans, it's fair (if not exactly politically correct) to say that it's most likely because they don't want to have a black guy with a “furrin' sounding name” in the White House.


joebee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:07 am

What did Mary Cheney say about older sister Liz' much-maligned appearance on Larry King, commenting about Obama's credentials?

“She ain't heavy. She's my birther.”

Haha.


Steve X
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:08 am

What are you, retarded? You idiots know good and damn well that whatever evidence the administration puts forth you dummies won't believe it. It's just too bad that you people are too stupid to realize that the actual document, verified by the Governor of Hawaii, is the actual document that proves beyond all doubt that Obama was born in America, and that you don't realize that there is any evidence anywhere that suggests that Obama was born anywhere else but Honolulu, Hawaii. It's even worse that you people are too racist to accept that a black man is president; instead you hide behind illogical conspiracy theories about “citizenship” and “documentation.” Give me a fucking break.

The only people with whom this issue has become a “bone of contention” are people so stupid that they have no idea where the sun goes at night. Personally, I would like to thank you birthers for showing America (and the world) just how dishonest, illogical, and unhinged that the modern-day conservative movement has become.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:08 am

You are exactly right. Slandering a president in the United States? Taking falsified documents and using them as material for a primetime report on american television, when a guy in his pajamas, on his free time could figure out they were faked? Morons, the lot of them!


mk64
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:09 am

His own refusal to believe anyone but himself, and his egotistical, megalomaniacal policies will be his undoing. That, along with his staunch adherence to the socialistic model will be all it takes to wake up the public to the fact that they've elected a left-wing, wannabe dictator with delusions of godhood. And not just any wannabe, either——one with no practical experience and no sense of self-control.
Personally, I think Obama'd be a hoot if he and his cronies weren't so dangerous.


mk64
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:09 am

His own refusal to believe anyone but himself, and his egotistical, megalomaniacal policies will be his undoing. That, along with his staunch adherence to the socialistic model will be all it takes to wake up the public to the fact that they've elected a left-wing, wannabe dictator with delusions of godhood. And not just any wannabe, either——one with no practical experience and no sense of self-control.
Personally, I think Obama'd be a hoot if he and his cronies weren't so dangerous.


joebee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:10 am

Overheard in Cheney bunker during Liz Cheney's appearance on Larry King:

Mary: “She ain't heavy.”
Dick: “She's my birther.”


rickahyatt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:14 am

Mr. Rogerramjet (Wow. What a COOL name. DUH…)
Thank you kindly, sir, for proving my point for me! To reiterate:
Are the humiliating Comment-makers and name callers all paid CHICOM Netizens or just paid ACORN activists?
Thank God for Attny. Taitz and her actions to save the US Constitution and the US, itself.
Ever notice: On ALL the search engine searches (Read they've been suppressing pro-birther results) the criticisms of all us “Birthers” is the same as they do in Red China?
There, the government employs a horde of “Netizens” to go to sites to humiliate & denigrate & suppress anti-government talk. They're paid about $.25 per input, I've read.
Just like these apparent ACORN operatives do, they ALWAYS humiliate, denigrate, and use varying terms of “Mental Illness” in volume! Buzzwords like “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,”Tin-hat,” “Conspiratorialist,” etc.
That's what happens to the average Chinese when they type out loud, and the CHICOMs have even more “Mental Health” Prisons as do the Russians.
The apparent wave of the future for us here in Obamaland? Is this why The Great O is building more prisons on military bases?
The CHICOMS have been waging economic and PSYOPS warfare on us a long time, at least since JFK (Oooh.. LISTEN TO THEM HOWL, NOW!). They've apparently continued their terroristic use of Biblical prophesies and Feng Sui (Remember what they did on 6/6/6? On 7/4/6?) by creating as part of The Big 0's Economic Manchurian Candidate grooming and Legend, that he's “Actually the Anti-Christ” (Imagine the desired conquer-and-divide reactions.) That his name, “Barack Obama,” as pronounced, means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew from the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher. The video, actually a good one, can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News. I bet the CHICOMS knew this when they choose his Legend name.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI… is the site.
This creation of a well-groomed “Legend,” part of an overall economic warfare agenda, taking over at the top, is as old espionage craft as is planting ads in prominent Hawaii newspapers, making myth become “The Truth.”
.I lived in Hawaii when they were contemplating that legislation for the COLB's. At first it was touted as being “Generous” for the cheap immigrant Filipino sugar cane workers, because it allowed them access to Hawaii's huge entitlement programs. But when the Legislature found out hat it could potentially let a foreign, hostile, espionage agent in as US President, they RUSHED to pass that bill. HI is half-way to Red China IN EVERY WAY YOU CAN THINK OF. Very asian-based racist, they love to rip off tourists of any color or race, but there is not a school in Hawaii that does not have “Kill Haole Day,” the first day of school, where any Caucasian kid who doesn't want to get beaten stays home.
Hawaii politicians are more corrupt and racist than NJ or Chicago. Call ME a conspiriatoralist? For my own anti-drug work, I was beaten three times. Twice by the Lahaina Mafia, and once by the MPD. You could ask Sen. Inouye about it – He wrote to say it would be investigated.
These people who know not that major criminal and espionage crime are, indeed, CONSPIRING, ought to get off their high horses, and stand among common men such as myself, in the know, and in the craft, for a change, before flinging their verbal spears at others.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:16 am

Look. I don't care how many times you got stuffed in a locker in high school, I find your degradation of women in powerful positions just to inflate what little you have left of your fragile male ego disgusting. Any woman who has suffered under our masoginistic, male-dominated culture for years and managed to rise to a position of prominence against all the obstacles our chauvanistic american culture throws in her way, should be applauded, regardless of her political or social views. You sir, quite frankly, are a douchebag.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:19 am

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/08/wnd-a…


thorswitch
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:21 am

And among the people who led the Senate in confirming that McCain was eligible to be president were Hillary Clinton (while she was still running for the nomination) and Barak Obama.

The big difference, however, between asking questions about McCain and asking questions about Obama is that there is CLEAR PROOF that McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone – that part of it was never part of the discussion. The only question was if his being born there made him ineligible or not.

With Obama, INSPITE of his having a perfectly legal Certificate from Hawaii that all states, the Federal Government – including the State Department and the Federal Election Commission – all consider sufficient and valid for establishing an American birth, AND his having been sworn in by the Republican-appointed (and Bush-friendly) Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (who you'd think would be someone who'd want to double check such things as eligibility before doing any swearing,) people are still questioning where he was born. And they're not just limiting their questions to where he was born, but they're also challenging if he can be a natural born citizen with a non-American father and what – if any – impact his mother's remarriage to an Indonesian man might have.

So, I really don't see the two situations as being comparable. With McCain, it was more of a clarification that his being born overseas didn't make him ineligible, where as with Obama, it's trying to prove to people who don't want to believe he's eligible that he actually is – and each time proof is offered, the goalposts get moved again.


Random
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:21 am

While quite funny, it really doesn't make sense. since the person you're replying to has not made any yay or nay comment on what you are obviously referencing.


J
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Seriously–this is how we spend our time? Seriously? The people who believe this to be true are the same people that complained when people spoke out against Bush. What happened to blind faith in our President? Or do we only do that when the President allows Americans to be spied on by its own government? Or when laws are put into place that apply to everyone who doesnt hold an executive position? Wake up America. In the middle of the biggest economic downturn in memory, two wars and healthcare reform our congress stopped and voted that Barack Obama was born in the USA. Why? Because a few people think he wasnt? Why are we pandering to these people? The proof is irrefutable that he was born in Hawaii. Let it go.

I weep for this country. This whole situation is making look like fools. Stop pandering to the idiots please. “Show us the long form” they cry!! Show us your long form birth certificate. The chick from Russia running this thing is a moron. She clearly knows nothing of American law. She clearly stated that Obama isnt a citizen because one of his parents isnt one. Huh? What? Thats wrong, and social studies taught us that in the third grade. Stop with this ridiculous theory and move on. He's black, he's American and he is President of the United States of America. Deal with it. If you dont like it, well then you know how I felt during Bush's term in office.

To the people who think he is ruining this country: the truth is that you are the ones ruining this country. You wanna be a lemming, then please go find a cliff.


thorswitch
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:28 am

Sorry to tell you this, but if you're unwilling to accept the Certificate of Live Birth published by the state of Hawaii and CONFIRMED multiple times by the state of Hawaii (including by it's Republican governor, and most recently by the head of Vital Statistics who said in plain language that Obama is a natural-born American citizen,) and which is also the exact same document that every other state and the Federal Government (including the Department of State and the Federal Election Commission) as PROOF OF AN AMERICAN BIRTH (in other words, as proof someone is a natural born citizen) then you ARE, in fact, a birther.


martincosentino
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:30 am

There will always be people who have no lives of their own, so they must live vicariously through the fame of others. Barack Obama is the “invisible man”
made very visible by his election to the US presidency. By trying to discredit Obama's citizenship, therefore his eligibility to be president, these people
who do not identify themselves, take some perverse pleasure from causing a wrinkle in the accepted order of things. Obama's presidency is changing
the United States and the world. This is the best part of it. The worse part is the health care and deficit problems.

As Voltaire said in Candide, “These were the best of times, these were the worst of times – both occuriing at the same time, as if to give us a sense
of balance to the euphoria the world felt when Barack became president. Now down to the nitty gritty of the everyday routines to put everyone back to
work again, and back in their foreclosed homes. But that is too ordinary for the “birthers” and so they continue weaving their webs of conspiracy and intrigue in order to relieve us, and themselves also, from this too ordinary pace of things. They used to call it common sense – I think it has turned into
spin now, that ever distracting, fragmented mentality of the evening news that craves attention and distraction, whatever the cost.


joebee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:35 am

“Masoginistic”?
“Chauvanistic”?
“Applauded regardless of her political or social views”?

Hahahahahaha!

The only “culture” you could know about is … mmm … “yogurt culture” ? You must be some form of bacteria. I promise to applaud when you learn to spell in the national language of your country. Does this would fair, Pesky Little Microbe?

Let me know when you hear the clapping. Hahahahahah!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:36 am

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
Dual-citizenship, as I said, is not addressed by the Constitution. I should also clarify- this was a hypothetical situation, in which the President was born outside the US and was still a natural-born citizen. Obama’s citizenship would no longer be dual, in this scenario, because he chose to continue as an American citizen in adulthood. All of which is moot, because he was born in Hawaii.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:36 am

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
Dual-citizenship, as I said, is not addressed by the Constitution. I should also clarify- this was a hypothetical situation, in which the President was born outside the US and was still a natural-born citizen. Obama’s citizenship would no longer be dual, in this scenario, because he chose to continue as an American citizen in adulthood. All of which is moot, because he was born in Hawaii.


rickahyatt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:42 am

rogerrammingjet, I was just wondering. Do you read your own comic books? Do you draw them, too? My point is that should you wish to learn proper English grammar & spelling, why not try to find an entitlement, like prison, maybe, where you can get a GED?


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:43 am

You nailed it right on the head, Thor. It's all those white racist southern republicans driving this. Because you know all southerners join the republican party because they are just a bunch of racist bigots. And I think it is the most politically correct thing in the world to call most white southerners racist. It's true, isn't it? I mean, you have probably read alot of books and I know you have seen all the movies, so it has to be true. And when you have all objective second-hand information, there is nothing wrong with making a wide stereotypical assumption about a whole group of people, is there? I mean, what could possibly be wrong with making a spot judgement on a group of people based on a poll you saw with a 3.5% margin of error, as long as it proves what you already want to believe anyway, right? Do we all look alike, too? Is it hard to tell us apart in a line-up? Please, enlighten me!


rickahyatt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:43 am

Are the humiliating Comment-makers and name callers all paid CHICOM Netizens or just paid ACORN activists?
Thank God for Attny. Taitz and her actions to save the US Constitution and the US, itself.
Ever notice: On ALL the search engine searches (Read they've been suppressing pro-birther results) the criticisms of all us “Birthers” is the same as they do in Red China?
There, the government employs a horde of “Netizens” to go to sites to humiliate & denigrate & suppress anti-government talk. They're paid about $.25 per input, I've read.
Just like these apparent ACORN operatives do, they ALWAYS humiliate, denigrate, and use varying terms of “Mental Illness” in volume! Buzzwords like “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,”Tin-hat,” “Conspiratorialist,” etc.
That's what happens to the average Chinese when they type out loud, and the CHICOMs have even more “Mental Health” Prisons as do the Russians.
The apparent wave of the future for us here in Obamaland? Is this why The Great O is building more prisons on military bases?
The CHICOMS have been waging economic and PSYOPS warfare on us a long time, at least since JFK (Oooh.. LISTEN TO THEM HOWL, NOW!). They've apparently continued their terroristic use of Biblical prophesies and Feng Sui (Remember what they did on 6/6/6? On 7/4/6?) by creating as part of The Big 0's Economic Manchurian Candidate grooming and Legend, that he's “Actually the Anti-Christ” (Imagine the desired conquer-and-divide reactions.) That his name, “Barack Obama,” as pronounced, means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew from the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher. The video, actually a good one, can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News. I bet the CHICOMS knew this when they choose his Legend name.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI… is the site.
This creation of a well-groomed “Legend,” part of an overall economic warfare agenda, taking over at the top, is as old espionage craft as is planting ads in prominent Hawaii newspapers, making myth become “The Truth.”
.I lived in Hawaii when they were contemplating that legislation for the COLB's. At first it was touted as being “Generous” for the cheap immigrant Filipino sugar cane workers, because it allowed them access to Hawaii's huge entitlement programs. But when the Legislature found out hat it could potentially let a foreign, hostile, espionage agent in as US President, they RUSHED to pass that bill. HI is half-way to Red China IN EVERY WAY YOU CAN THINK OF. Very asian-based racist, they love to rip off tourists of any color or race, but there is not a school in Hawaii that does not have “Kill Haole Day,” the first day of school, where any Caucasian kid who doesn't want to get beaten stays home.
Hawaii politicians are more corrupt and racist than NJ or Chicago. Call ME a conspiriatoralist? For my own anti-drug work, I was beaten three times. Twice by the Lahaina Mafia, and once by the MPD. You could ask Sen. Inouye about it – He wrote to say it would be investigated.
These people who know not that major criminal and espionage crime are, indeed, CONSPIRING, ought to get off their high horses, and stand among common men such as myself, in the know, and in the craft, for a change, before flinging their verbal spears at others.


joebee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:48 am

We do not all look alike.

You look like “poopshoot”.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:55 am

Thor, from what I have been reading on this site, a birth certificate does not have to be filed with the FEC when running for president, its pretty much assumed that you couldn't get that far without one. I don't have any doubt that he is eligible to be President because of his birth certificate, I am more of a qualifications guy. But then I read your explanation, and, for the love of God, to use your own words regarding McCain, show some clear proof and let's get on to bitching about healthcare.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:04 am

After years of searching, I think I have found the man with the stickiest mouse on the planet. And I would hazard a guess that it's not yogurt Joebee, when you get done building the Deathstar out of Legos and broken dreams, I would hope you would answer my question. And again, you sir, are quite frankly, a douchebag.


elder
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:08 am

I went to get my DL renewed today. It expired 30 days sgo. I was told I would have to produce a certified copy of my birth certificate in order to renew my DL. It doesn't matter that I was born in this country 83 years ago, or that I am a USMC veteran of WW2, or that I recieve a monthly pension from the VA, or that I am a member of the DAV, or that I have been licinsed to drive in 8 states. I am treated as a non-citizen. I will take the document to the license office and get my DR. I have never been treated this way before, however I will comply. It seems like an honest request to ask Obama to produce his documentation if he has it. What has he to hide? Have any of you name callers seen his birth certificate? If you haven't, how can you be so damn sure that he has one? To my Knowledge no one has ever seen a birth certificate for Obama.


dprwdr
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:14 am

I'm so tired of this canard, “'Certificate of Live Birth' is not a legal language or document”.
I'm looking at my certified copy of my birth certificate from California, one of several I requested for various official needs. It has the declaration, in purple ink, “This is a true certified copy of the record If it bears the seal, imprinted in purple ink, of the Registrar-Recorder.” It has the registrar's signature, the date of the copy, 1980, and the image of the seal of the county registrar. And the official title at the head of the document is… drum roll, please… CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH – STATE OF CALIFORNIA–DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH!
Wow! And the US even accepted a copy to issue a passport in 1990.
Are we glad that your kind are not in charge of anything of great importance.


merchantilist
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:17 am

One would almost guess that some Obama supporter set bait too catch a fool. Please don't put this stuff forward unless it has been checked. Any body that has serious information should put it forward. In the last several years Mr Obama has not told the truth on his stand on many issues. He was the most radical member of the Senate. We have, however, come to expect deception from members of Congress. But I can imagine that a globalist would think that it is unfair that constitution requires that a president be a natural born citizen.


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:24 am

Steve, u are the retarded moron for perusing false information…The COLB the obama campaign posted online proves NOTHING…There is no hospital, no attending physician, no witnesses, no stamp, nothing signed, no nothing….obama has already listed 2 hospitals he was born in , both of which have NO RECORD of him orhis mother ever being there…On the COLB for race of his father it states “african”…Any idiot with half a brain knows that in 1961 a black father was referred to on a birth certificate as NEGRO, not african…That fact standing alone should raise concern…Now, he spends upwards of a million dollars t fight off over 20 lawsuits all wanting him to produce his original long form birth certificate and he refuses…Why would u go to such lengths and money to hide or conceal something if u have nothing to hide??…Is actions are inconsistent with that of an innocent man…Why would u defend this fraud when he has the power to end all controversy and specualtion by simply producing a $15 document to the american people he allegedly promised transparency to ??….Why are u trying to defend a defenseless man??….Someone needs to have their head examined and its NOT the birthers…Oh yes, one other thing…Every single document and record this guy has from kindergarten to harvard law school to passports, immigration records as well as adoption records are ALL SEALED…Has it ever crossed ur dumb down brain to wonder WHY!!!!!


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:25 am

Hey genius, that program is still in place. How were you spied on, exactly?


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:27 am

if u would do some research, u would find them…Unfortunately for people like yourself, u prefer to live in the dark and hide under a rock and believe obama can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in his bare hands, but frankly, i dont!!!!….It is not my job to educate the ignorant dumbasses!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:27 am

if u would do some research, u would find them…Unfortunately for people like yourself, u prefer to live in the dark and hide under a rock and believe obama can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in his bare hands, but frankly, i dont!!!!….It is not my job to educate the ignorant dumbasses!!!


joebee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Oh Poopshoot, Poopshoot, Poopshoot!

It seems natural that your self-chosen moniker betrays a female obsessed with excretion, entirely devoid of wit, morality, or even a thimbleful of intellect.

You must imagine that you, like your feeble, fake, and foolhardy heroine, Failin' Palin, should be given credit not for the hot steaming pile of Poopshoot that you actually ARE, but for the upright character you imagine yourself to be.

“Powerful position”??? Fill it to the rim, Poopshoot!

(Very sad that you should be reduced to fantasy about an anonymous poster who has expressed nothing but sheer contempt for your vile display of ignorance. It is very sad for women that you promote yourself as the protector of female virtues … Ms. PoopShoot … is it?)

The rest of your comment: jibberish … jibberish … more childish jibberish. Maybe your pregnant teenage daughter understands your vernacular?

You and the Booty I mean Beauty Queen are good for a laugh though. HAHAHAahahahahhahaha!

(No applause for the spelling. You probably cut and pasted your last response from one of your “regular” degenerate porn sites. Tsssk Tssk PoopShoot!)


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:31 am

I am poopshoot, my little double-latte.


luther blissett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:40 am

“Kenya became an Independent Republic, December 12, 1963″

No it didn't. By that bullshit rationale, you might as well say that India became an “Independent Republic” on August 15, 1947, and you'd be just as much an idiot.

HINT: just because the US went directly from being a British colony to an independent republic doesn't mean other British colonies did the same.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:41 am

I shall explain. “Name” was upset because “they” had not come up with a more intelligent way to slander the president than making him actually produce a birth certificate. Yet, Bush was slandered by our premier media persona, Dan Rather, using documents produced by Microsoft Word concerning his war record. And while none of the major networks, with all of their resources, caught on to the fact that these documents could not have been produced on Word, because it didn't exist in the early 70's, a part-time blogger did. In other words, a guy in his pjs, after a long day's work, was able to figure out what none of the major media had, but only after they had managed to smear Bush for a few weeks.


joebee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:44 am

That you are, heaping bowel of diarrhea.


poopshoot
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:51 am

You really hate women, don't you? I am sure the feeling is mutual. Look, I'm not mad. I know there will come a time when you can get 40 hours at the record store and move out of your mother's basement. You may even get to the point where you can talk to a woman without urinating all over your cords. But in the meantime, take the “Transformers” poster of your wall, hide your Star Wars action figures( even if they are vintage) and give it a try.


joebee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:56 am

QUESTION: Are you “Name”, or “poopshoot”?

Did “Name” die and appoint “poopshoot” his/her Explainer?

“Name was upset”? …or did “poopshoot” once again try to explain the random stupidity and senselessness of her own comments, while refusing to admit she has her head up her poopshoot?

Oh, and “Name” told me to tell you you're full of poop.


joebee
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:03 am

What?!

Star Wars?

Who needs the Comedy Channel with you Birther lunatics flying around the web? But you need to update your cut and paste joke stash.

Boooring. Do you steal jokes from your illegitimate kids?

Still obsessed with elimination too. You are a sad, sad, wannabee female in search of a urinal. Go change your diaper she-male. You stink.


Jarz
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:04 am

So am I to understand, following your logic, that you believe Obama had never legitimately been registered for school in the U.S. or gotten a driver's license or SS card before being elected POTUS? If you can prove that, well maybe you have a point.

Or maybe his middle school, high school, two colleges, Harvard Law School, and DMVs in HI, CA, IL, NY, MA and DC are all in on the conspiracy…


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Steve X
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:17 am

That's the problem with you birthers…logic and facts mean nothing to you people. I'm going to address (some) of your contentions one by one. I use rational though and logic to make my points, and there is only so much that rational thought can do to influence irrational people. I'll do it slowly so that even a birther can understand it.

The COLB the obama campaign posted online proves NOTHING
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Wrong. It proves that he was born in Hawaii in August of 1961. The (Republican) governor of Hawaii has attested that the document is authentic, and that it shows his place of birth. The only thing the Certificate of Live Birth doesn't prove is that the Earth is flat, but your stupid ass probably believes that, too.

On the COLB for race of his father it states “african”
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I'm not a Rhodes Scholar, but that's probably because his father was African, dipshit. Even if it did say the word “negro,” you'd probably find some other flaw in it.

Now, he spends upwards of a million dollars t fight off over 20 lawsuits
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Y'see, in America, people have the right to defend themselves from lawsuits. This is true even if the lawsuits are frivolous (for example, all these birther lawsuits are frivolous). Lawyers charge fees for their work in defending lawsuits. So if you do the math, the more frivolous lawsuits that people file against you, the more lawsuits that you have to defend against, which in turn means that you spend more on legal fees as a result. If that confuses you, then…I can't say that I'm really surprised.

Is actions are inconsistent with that of an innocent man
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I think you meant to write “his” but what the hell, I'll bite. In any lawsuit filed anywhere in the country, either in state or federal court, the burden of proof lies on the plaintiff, not the defendant. Since Obama is defending himself from lawsuits, that would make him the “defendant.” Still with me? Pay attention, because this is where birthers tend to get confused: as the defendant, the president doesn't have to “prove” anything. His actions are consistent with every other person in this country that has been sued. Since all of these birthers lawsuits have produced no evidence whatsoever that Obama was born in Kenya, Indonesia, or anywhere that is not Honolulu, Hawaii, there is nothing to decide. The burden of proof lies solely on the plaintiffs, and thus far they have all done piss poor jobs of making their cases.

Every single document and record this guy has from kindergarten to harvard law school to passports, immigration records as well as adoption records are ALL SEALED
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Let's be entirely honest: even if these records weren't sealed, you knuckle-dragging mouthbreathers still wouldn't believe that he was born in America. Know why? Because you birthers are delusional, that's why. No matter how much evidence is produced that disproves your conspiracy theory, in your minds that evidence only makes the conspiracy that much bigger.

I won't even get into how implausible it is to believe that a conspiracy theory that crosses three continents, spans nearly five decades, and is full of more holes than a block of swiss cheese has any basis in fact or reality, because that would take more time (and patience) than I have. Plus, it's not like you guys would be able to understand me anyway. After all, you ARE birthers.

Even Ann Coulter thinks you guys are a bunch of raving loons. You would be wise to take her advice and shut the hell up.


Pitt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:27 am

You just can't please the monolithic right. I realize this came along a whole four years ago,

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2008/05/01/clinton… sponsor-mccain-citizenship-bill/

but it goes to character, really. The ultra right corporatists are actively attacking the character, the integrity of Obama, any way they can. Look for their spectacular overreaches as they express totalitarianism Coup2000-style. It's all about what's taking place beyond the BM that matters. Like the Prosecutions. But like Napolitano, I think there's a huge right wing fanatical element that would tend to favor corporate as its enforcer.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/blackwater_jesus_a…

Ideologues and corporatists might like you to focus on a silent racist trigger and more, as if Obama is an African born-not American born alien, and exploit scenarios that instill doubt in minds of supporters for his Republic rebuild and..unite all pointy white hats. Look, the primary target is Obama's integrity

Obama should never appease the right wing glutton. It can't reach appeasement. Starving it is an elegant if not educational solution. The People need to see the substance of the right wing, it's patterns of behavior and the depth of it's thinking. Let the People see.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/obama_confronts_th…


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:29 am

WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT MAKES THIS A FAKE?
this certificate looks very real. but we will know when its tested.
if i had to guess i 'd say even tho she's not saying so, Orly has already had this carbon dated.
the requested time for this – 2-17-64, coincides with the time obama's mom
needed to show proof where her son was born in order for her second husband
to adopt obama.

it says Republic of Kenya AT BOTTOM because when it was requested
Kenya was then a Republic.

isnt is a shame that someone calling themself president will not do the right thing here
and put this to bed? how disrespectful to all those who voted for him… its like a slap in
the face to say he couldnt care less what you think or how bad you look trying to make
excused for why he's hiding his birth certificate.

lets not forget the PATERNAL grandmother he snubbed during his recent trip to Africa
said on more than one occassion that she was IN THE HOSPITAL ROOM IN MOMBASA
the night obama was born. IS THIS WHY HE IGNORES HER NOW?


Robert
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:30 am

Man, I really hope they do set up a system to pay people to call you morons insane and unhinged wingnuts. I mean I've been doing it for free for a while, and I keep telling myself it's important to not let vocal minorities get away with spouting conspiracy nonsense, but to be honest it's really a drain on my productivity, so if I can turn this habit into a passive source of income instead of a frustrating and depressing waste of time, that would be awesome.


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:31 am

robtr wrote:
Well I hope he's successful but the idea of Bill Clinton and two attractive young jounalists who have been imprisoned and have only him to thank makes me think of Monica.


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:40 am

The image is part of the extremely ill-informed conspiracy theory that Obama was born in Mombasa—conveniently, one of the more Muslim parts of the country.
———————————————————————————–

OBAMA's mom obviously wanted him to be brought up Muslim.
she married muslims on two separate occassions. that he was born
in Mombasa fits his dad's Muslim status?


Steve X
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:40 am

Well, in Orly's defense, she did get her law degree from an online law school, and I'm willing to bet that law school is unaccredited. Apparently she forgot to click on the hyperlink that would have taken her to the “professional responsibility” page, because it's becoming obvious that she doesn't know anything about what happens if a lawyer files frivolous lawsuits or tenders fake evidence to the court. Still, she is the smartest of the birthers, so it's only fair that she should be allowed to lead the charge until, at least until her inevitable disbarment.


Nancy
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:45 am

Have people really lost their minds. Are there actual people out there that believe this? Get a grip people. You need psychotropic med's.


R
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:47 am

There is more to the interview that what was reported when the grandmother said that she was there. Why would they just cut off the tape there… there is more here than meets the eye, and we need to keep ourselves sounding rational in order to keep our credibility as a group.

At this point I think we should be more worried about the lack of transparency that he is showing rather than where he was born. IT is unlikely that he would be kicked out of office if he wasn't eligable- the damage he has started is already done. We need to make sure that he doesn't get elected again more than the past..


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:49 am

pls forgive the Clinton post (it was on pasteBoard for another blog(

-Your say,
” It records Barack Obama Sr’s age as “26.” Obama Sr was born in 1936; his son was born in 1961.”

ANSWER: depending on the month Senior was born it is correct that he would be 26 years old in 1961 if you do the math.


R
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:49 am

Dear.. he's the one who doesn't acknowledge his white heritage.. He claims to be black as if both his parents were black instead of African and White. He is the one who is choosing where his race is observed from. He is the one making race the issue.


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:52 am

CERTIFICATE does not say obama was born february 1964 – - that is the date a copy was requested and responded to.

Kenya WAS a republic. it was a CEREMONIAL republic later on when they had access to all the dignitaries to make it official.


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:58 am

for all of those convinced obama's birth certificate is legitimate, i ask you what proof do you have? A CYPERSPACE COPY?

A COPY WITH NO DOCTOR?
A CYBERSPACE TRICK THAT GETS MORPHED INTO WHATEVER one points out is missing from the certificate? whose requested date gets automatically changed from June 8 to June 6th?

a copy that had no seal but when pointed out, suddenly reappeared WITH the seal?

a copy with no folds but when pointed out quickly reappeared with folds?

a copy that can be gotten by anyone simply by “stating” he was born there?

a copy with a number earlier than that of a set of twins born before he was?

a copy with 1961 all in same size while all others were preprinted with a huge “19″ but his digits at normal size?

a copy that first appeared without full lines at top but when pointed reappeared with the necessary lines?

GET REAL OR GET OUTTA HERE.


Eric
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:06 am

The Republican gov. of Hawaii has, says everything's legit. The Hawaiian officials who oversee official documents have said time and time again that the certificate everyone complains about is proof that he was born in Hawaii when everyone says he was. Lastly, Virginia isn't Hawaii. In Hawaii, no one receives anything BUT the certificate birthers complain about. That certificate is plenty fine for passports, driver's licenses and Presidents.

But this isn't about his place of birth and never has been. The length and breadth of conspiracy necessary — not to mention money — to put a poor student and his 9th-trimester poor wife in a hospital in Kenya that has no airport, and then get them back to Hawaii soon after — while, meanwhile, getting the government of Hawaii both then and now — which, let's remind, is Republican currently — to go along with a fraud, strains credulity even if the evidence clearly refuted it.

It's your call why you refuse to believe your nose to spite your face.


bluealiendevil
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:10 am

Neither one of his parents were American citizens, so you do need to go back to social studies and learn that you are not an American Citizen if neither of your parents are American citizens. There are no long forms of a birth certificate.Also, NO irrefutable proof of his Citizenship has ever been provided. If I have to provide an original birth certificate when applying for a drivers license, when applying for a JOB in this country, then yes, he does too! He is holding the highest office in this country without providing proof of his citizenship, which is COMMANDED by the Constitution of this country. If he was ny type of President, he would settle this by providing it, what is he hiding?? If McCain had to provide it during the primaries when he was born on military base in another country by AMERICAN parents, why has Obama been able to get away with not providing his proof?? Possibly because he is not able to?? I think he cannot!


truthCONFIRMSitself
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:12 am

i differ. i say first things first. FIRSTLY, obma cannot be president if he doesnt meet the cirteria that gives him that right. that is his proof of where he was born. when we get that right we can move on from there, imo. but lets get the non-transparency cleared up…. you cant do business with someone you cant trust… amazing that obama doesnt understand that simple concept. the more he dodges the less even those who voted for him will relent.


gopfail
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:42 am

no, dipshit. He turns 1 in 1937 – meaning he can only turn 25 in 1961, no matter what month he was born. Do a spreadsheet if helps you're birther brain. Thanks for confirming you rightwing nuts are actually nuts.


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:42 am

well, steve x the idiot, this is for u…in response to ur ignorantly trying ur best to give an answer to a legitimate question i posed earlier, i will address each of ur responses as such..Ill start with 1, then 2 , then so on…if u can follow…..
1.The COLB DOES NOT PROVE he was born in hawaii….I cant understand how ignorant u obots really are..It actually amazes me there are human beings that use so little common sense in making a reply to a legitimate question…I can make that certificate the obama campaign posted on the internet in about an hour…Now answer me this, if i made one to look exactly like it and said i was born on the moon, would u believe me??…Apparently, accordingto ur logic, u would…This just shows how stupid and ignorant u are…There is NO PROOF whatsoever on the digital scanned computer generated copy that obama was born in hawaii..Actually, there are soo many holes in it it wouldnt pass muster to get u hired on as a dog-catcher at ur local pound…Of course, u are too stupid to realize that…You couldnt get a drivers license with it, u couldnt get a passport with it, you couldnt even sign up to play little league or go to summer camp producing such a summarized form as what obama has posted on the internet…Really, how ignorant are u obots???…

2..obviously u stupid sack of shit should realize that african is not a “race”…But, i suppose in ur delusional dream world, u can make it to be anything u want..This is just another reaon why ur stupidity is only surpassed by ur sheer ignorance…If u had done any research whatsoever, u would have found that any black man listed on a hawaiian BC as a father was referred to as NEGRO….The asshole who put this fraud online was attempting to be political correct, however the stupid dipshit like urself failed to realize that term was non-existent in 1961,,,,what a waste of education and breath this is!!!!

3..no one in their right mind would spend money to stave off a frivolous lawsuit if there were nothing to it….You talk and sound like an idiot…any lawyer worth his salt would have had obama produce the proof after the first challenge which would have made all future claims “res judicata” and every person would thereafter be barred from bringing any legal action against him cause the matter would have been settled…You are an idiot and lack any sense of common sense if u cant see that..No one would put up with this shit as long as obama has when its utterly ridiculous….

4..once again, you insanely moronic piece of garbage, if u think the president doesnt have to prove anything…Idiot, he has to prove hes' qualified for the job..The burden of proof is on him, not us….I dont have to prove hes unqualified for the job, he has to prove hes qualified for the job u dipshit!!!

5..contrary to what u erroneously believe, there is overwhelming evidence that obama was not born in the USA….Study asshole and learn something….There is more evidence that he was not born here, than he was…That is a FACT!!!..

6..by making personal attacks on people who ask for proof does not substantiate ur points at all…In fact, it just makes u all the more worthless, meaningless, dumb downed and ignorant slimeballs that cant defend an honest point without personal attacks…Come on man, grow up and stop acting like a spoiled brat playing in my sand box..Show me any of the records that reveal his past and i would shut up, as would everyone else…Bottom line is, YOU CANT so u resort to personal attacks…Not good debate material my friend..This has been an exercise in futility to educate u dumbass morons..My advice to u is get a soda and some popcorn and turn the tv on to bill maher…You and him would get along perfectly..Two deranged idiots sitting in 2 different locations occupying the same brain with no ability to have an independent thought or genuine curiosity over anything suspicious…Just take the mans word he flew to the moon yesterday…If the mulatto man said it, then it must be the gospel truth…Remember what Reagan said “trust, but verify..Apparently u dont hold to that ideology…A short form BC on th einternet is not BEST EVIDENCE and proves NOTHING…My god man, GROW THE FUCK UP!!!


gopfail
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:45 am

your insane answers fit your moron status?


gopfail
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:47 am

what are you talking about moron? The seal, date and signature are on the back. Obviously the front scan didn't show those. They all later were confirmed after you half-wits were screaming about it. Get over it already. PS – earth is round.


gopfail
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:51 am

what country do you live in? Do you think anyone treated Obama as white looking the way he does? Would your pappy's lynch mobs have passed him over? Didn't think so.


gopfail
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:54 am

Obama has had to apply for that too. Guess what? The BC he's shown you is official Hawaii stock, and acceptable to any and all government entities and courts. Don't know why you think you're better than our legal system. Remeber, BHO has top security clearence, that is, they do background checks. They check all this stuff, bucko.


Mari
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:58 am

No, frankly, I can't get any “realer” than I am now. AND, I have no intention to act stupid just because someone else chooses not to believe facts right in front of their own eyes. I have seen my nieces' birth certificates from the State of Hawaii and they are the very same as the one that Obama posted on the net. However, i NEVER expect irrational people to make rational evaluations on any given subject. So, given the hysteria and silliness of the birther movement, I NEVER expect any birther to suddenly cough up a sane and rational comment that is a legitimate acceptance of the Hawaii birth certificate that plainly shows he was born in Hawaii just like he always stated. If I held my breath till I turned blue, I still do not expect birthers to admit these facts. So my plan is to just ignore the dolts and to have a copy of his birth announcement from the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper that indeed does prove that he was born in Hawaii and that he is indeed a U S citizen. Ummm, now that I think of it. Another point in favor of the valid citizenship of Obama is the fact that the Hawaii Republican governor stated categorically that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii just like the net birth certificate states. Of course, some of my Republican colleagues vicuferiusly still insist he is no authentic citizen. I am just beginning to get the inkling that the deniers of his U S citizenship are bigots and use the “birth certificate scam” to try to discredit Obama while quietly covering their obvious racism.


Real_American
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:08 am

4 words for obama

PRODUCE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE


Moe
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:08 am

Wow, a real birther. Do you understand that forging a Presidents' birth certificate and passing it around the internet is a felony? You need to get off this bandwagon and just take your medication.


Mari
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:09 am

You really do have a dirty mind. Seems you show no compassion for those prisoners. If you spend this time criticizing Clinton, it would be more noble of you to get on a plane and go over there yourself to try to rescue them. Of course, one would have to have some moral clarity and that may be asking too, too much from you.


Hughes
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:11 am

Obviously, Common Sense, you were really born in Samoa but your parents set up an elaborate chain of events to expand your career options to include the chance for you to become POTUS. After all, you never would have had this 1-in-100 million possibility without your parents spending thousands to make it look like you were born in Illinois.

My twins were 18 months old when we moved to the States. The fact that they have no chance of one day becoming president is utterly trivial. After all, it’s not like they can hope to one day be King/Queen of England.


Hughes
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:11 am

Obviously, Common Sense, you were really born in Samoa but your parents set up an elaborate chain of events to expand your career options to include the chance for you to become POTUS. After all, you never would have had this 1-in-100 million possibility without your parents spending thousands to make it look like you were born in Illinois.

My twins were 18 months old when we moved to the States. The fact that they have no chance of one day becoming president is utterly trivial. After all, it’s not like they can hope to one day be King/Queen of England.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:12 am

I voted for Hillary.

Palin is a piece of trash who should have stuck to popping out puppies in the tundra.

Shove that “masoginistic” crap right back up your ass. But first learn to spell.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:12 am

I voted for Hillary.

Palin is a piece of trash who should have stuck to popping out puppies in the tundra.

Shove that “masoginistic” crap right back up your ass. But first learn to spell.


patriotfame
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:18 am

I believe in Oliy Titz. She would never forge a document to fit the limited frame of her retarded belief system. No, nevar! Go OILY TITZ!

PS truthCONFIRMSitself is a retard. GO TEAM! Obama sux!


Moe
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:39 am

If he was White, would we be having this conversation?


Moe
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:42 am

Reporting all birther comments as inappropriate – it does provide limited satisfaction. Normal people – feel free to follow suit.


ddlon
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:16 am

What wonderful nonsense. A “ceremonial” republic. What the heck is that? Kenya was a Dominion of Great Britain. If there was a ceremonial head of state it was the Queen. Having access to dignitaries doesn't make your country “official”. Stop sniffing the hairspray…


ddlon
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:18 am

Why should he? Why don't you produce a certificate of mental hygiene or evidence that you have not just been released from an asylum? It's a shame you don't have a job…then you wouldn't have time to post such nonsense on the web. Get used to it: we've got a Black President and he isn't going anywhere!!!


dsfsd
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:24 am

????


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

The online copy of the Kenya Constitution is not the original document, right?

Secondly, Kenya was not a republic at independence. In British parlance “republic” refers to a system of government with an elected President as Head of State instead of the Queen.

Between Kenya’s independence in 1963 and 12 Dec 1964 Kenya was a Constitutional Monarchy with the Queen as Head of State represented by Governor-General Malcolm MacDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_MacDonald) with Jomo Kenyatta as Prime Minister. On 12 Dec 1964 Kenya was proclaimed a republic and Jomo Kenyatta became President. Malcolm MacDonald then resigned as Governor-General.

So between independence and 12 Dec 1964 Kenya was not a republic any more than Canada, Australia and New Zealand are republics. Kenya was a constitutional monarchy and would not have called itself the “Republic of Kenya” It simply wasn’t.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

The online copy of the Kenya Constitution is not the original document, right?

Secondly, Kenya was not a republic at independence. In British parlance “republic” refers to a system of government with an elected President as Head of State instead of the Queen.

Between Kenya’s independence in 1963 and 12 Dec 1964 Kenya was a Constitutional Monarchy with the Queen as Head of State represented by Governor-General Malcolm MacDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_MacDonald) with Jomo Kenyatta as Prime Minister. On 12 Dec 1964 Kenya was proclaimed a republic and Jomo Kenyatta became President. Malcolm MacDonald then resigned as Governor-General.

So between independence and 12 Dec 1964 Kenya was not a republic any more than Canada, Australia and New Zealand are republics. Kenya was a constitutional monarchy and would not have called itself the “Republic of Kenya” It simply wasn’t.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

You can’t get a passport with a Certificate of LIve Birth? OMG someone call the State Department because they gave me one!

go to your town hall and ask for your birth certificate and what it says. It says “Certificate of Live Birth”. My children’s say it and before you say that thats the new BC, mine did as well and I was born in 1969.

And for the record, real nice way to get your point across. You wonder why you guys lost so big in November and will continue to keep doing so?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

You can’t get a passport with a Certificate of LIve Birth? OMG someone call the State Department because they gave me one!

go to your town hall and ask for your birth certificate and what it says. It says “Certificate of Live Birth”. My children’s say it and before you say that thats the new BC, mine did as well and I was born in 1969.

And for the record, real nice way to get your point across. You wonder why you guys lost so big in November and will continue to keep doing so?


rickahyatt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:43 am

Are the humiliating Comment-makers and name callers all paid CHICOM Netizens or just paid ACORN activists?
Thank God for Attny. Taitz and her actions to save the US Constitution and the US, itself.
Ever notice: On ALL the search engine searches (Read they've been suppressing pro-birther results) the criticisms of all us “Birthers” is the same as they do in Red China?
There, the government employs a horde of “Netizens” to go to sites to humiliate & denigrate & suppress anti-government talk. They're paid about $.25 per input, I've read.
Just like these apparent ACORN operatives do, they ALWAYS humiliate, denigrate, and use varying terms of “Mental Illness” in volume! Buzzwords like “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,”Tin-hat,” “Conspiratorialist,” etc.
That's what happens to the average Chinese when they type out loud, and the CHICOMs have even more “Mental Health” Prisons as do the Russians.
The apparent wave of the future for us here in Obamaland? Is this why The Great O is building more prisons on military bases?
The CHICOMS have been waging economic and PSYOPS warfare on us a long time, at least since JFK (Oooh.. LISTEN TO THEM HOWL, NOW!). They've apparently continued their terroristic use of Biblical prophesies and Feng Sui (Remember what they did on 6/6/6? On 7/4/6?) by creating as part of The Big 0's Economic Manchurian Candidate grooming and Legend, that he's “Actually the Anti-Christ” (Imagine the desired conquer-and-divide reactions.) That his name, “Barack Obama,” as pronounced, means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew from the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher. The video, actually a good one, can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI… is the site. I bet the CHICOMS knew this when they choose his Legend name.
This creation of a well-groomed “Legend,” part of an overall economic warfare agenda, taking over at the top, is as old espionage craft as is planting posts in prominent Hawaii newspapers, making myth evolve into “The Truth.”
.I lived on Maui when they were contemplating that legislation for the COLB's. At first it was touted as being “Generous” for the cheap immigrant Filipino sugar cane workers, because it allowed them access to Hawaii's huge entitlement programs. But when the Legislature found out hat it could potentially let a foreign, hostile, espionage agent in as US President, they RUSHED to pass that bill. HI is half-way to Red China IN EVERY WAY YOU CAN THINK OF. Very asian-based racist, they love to rip off tourists of any color or race, but there is not a school in Hawaii that does not have “Kill Ha'ole Day,” the first day of school, where any Caucasian kid who doesn't want to get beaten stays home. Gov. Waihe'e himself sanctioned the practice, calling it “Cultural.”
Hawaii politicians are more corrupt and racist than NJ or Chicago. Call ME a conspiriatoralist? For my own anti-drug work, I was beaten three times. Twice by the Lahaina Mafia, and once by the Maui PD. You could ask Sen. Inouye about it – He wrote to say it would be investigated. What ever happened? The Big 0…
These people who know not that major criminal and espionage crime are, indeed, CONSPIRING, ought to get off their high horses, and stand among common men such as myself, in the know, and in the craft, for a change, before flinging their verbal spears at others.


John Roberts
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:57 am

Well, this Kenyan document is most likely a forgery to discredit the Truth about Curious George's (aka Obama) birth certificate. However, it's no more fake or real than what Obama has produced. Because, contrary to what the leftist idiots tell us, a Certificate of Live Birth is not an actual Birth Certificate. And let's not forget about the fact that Obama's mother was too young to make him an actual Naturalized Citizen. She was only 18, but needed to be 19 (under the laws at the time) when he was born in order to attain such status. You might be inclined to say “well, that's just a technicality,” but hey, rules are rules!

Furthermore, Obama attended Occidental College as a foreign exchange student, and actually took a scholarship reserved for one. He also appeared in a Sacramento, CA high school's yearbook as a foreign exchange student named Barry Soetoro. So, either way, a great fraud has been committed against the people of the United States. For the retards who may not understand this, I'll explain it for you. If Obama is actually a Naturalized Citizen (as he claims), then the taking a scholarship intended only for a foreign student is not only fraud, but also a criminal act. However, if he is foreigner, then he is ineligible to hold office.

So, the conclusion for anyone with an IQ over 75 (which automatically excludes most Obama supporters) should be this: He belongs in the Big House, not the White House!


jesus
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:08 am

what your saying is his parents knew and planned for, their son to be president of the usa? wow i mean they should really get a hand. what incredible foresight.


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Steve X
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

Taitz is not even claiming that this BC is real, she is asking the Court to authenticate this document with actual evidence
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This is officially the stupidest thing that anyone has ever written. It is not the court’s job to authenticate evidence, it’s the lawyer’s job to show that the evidence is authentic. By doing this she may as well drop to her knees and beg for disbarment, because that is exactly what’s about to happen if she keeps filing frivolous lawsuits and ignoring established rules of Civil Procedure.

Since you obviously have no knowledge about the legal process, maybe you should stop talking about it.


Steve X
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

Taitz is not even claiming that this BC is real, she is asking the Court to authenticate this document with actual evidence
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This is officially the stupidest thing that anyone has ever written. It is not the court’s job to authenticate evidence, it’s the lawyer’s job to show that the evidence is authentic. By doing this she may as well drop to her knees and beg for disbarment, because that is exactly what’s about to happen if she keeps filing frivolous lawsuits and ignoring established rules of Civil Procedure.

Since you obviously have no knowledge about the legal process, maybe you should stop talking about it.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

No, I still don’t get your point. You call on BO to show above and beyond what the law and courts require? His cert is valid – what makes you think there’s this huge conspiracy starting with corrupt officials of Hawaii? It says he was born in Hawaii – if he wasn’t, the state dept would have a record of naturalization, which they don’t. This is why we think you’re insane. It’s like a cop not accepting your VALID drivers lisence when he pulls you over, instead asking you to pull up your driving test score and your DMV receipt, along with video taped evidence it was you taking the driving test. See? It gets ridiculous when you apply birfer logic.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

No, I still don’t get your point. You call on BO to show above and beyond what the law and courts require? His cert is valid – what makes you think there’s this huge conspiracy starting with corrupt officials of Hawaii? It says he was born in Hawaii – if he wasn’t, the state dept would have a record of naturalization, which they don’t. This is why we think you’re insane. It’s like a cop not accepting your VALID drivers lisence when he pulls you over, instead asking you to pull up your driving test score and your DMV receipt, along with video taped evidence it was you taking the driving test. See? It gets ridiculous when you apply birfer logic.


olavodecarvalho
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:49 am

1) “Its publication date is February 17, 1964, but it purports be a document of the ‘Republic of Kenya.’ Kenya did not become a Republic until December 12, 1964, a year after it won independence from Great Britain.”
FALSE. Kenya became a Republic in December 12th 1963, not 1964.
2) “It’s signed by “registrar E.F. Lavender.” Earth Friendly Lavender is a kind of detergent, and government officials who use vanity initials on official documents are, to put it mildly, rare.”
STUPID. There is enough evidence that David Weigel (not only initials, but full name) is not a journalist, but a realtor (http://www.zillow.com/profile/dweigel/). Does this mean that you did not write this article?
3) “Last year, as the bloggers at ObamaConspiracy remember, Philip Berg included an obviously forged birth certificate.”
MALICIOUS AND DISHONEST. Philip Berg is notoriously an enemy of Orly Taitz. You try to inculpate Taitz for her enemies deeds.
4) “Barack Obama Sr. was born and educated in Nyanza Province, in southwestern Kenya, on Lake Victoria… But Mombasa is a city on the Indian Ocean, a thousand miles to the east.”
STUPID. Mombasa is much closer to Nyanza than Honolulu.
5) “Mombasa was a part of Zanzibar until December 12, 1963, when it became part of the newly independent Kenya.”
SELF-CONTRADICTORY. If Mombasa became part of Kenya in December 1963, it belonged to Kenya in February 17th 1964, the date when the copy of the certificate was signed by the registrar.


Steve X
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

Oops…meant to reply to Ronin, not you Calbear.


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:33 am

You cannot argue with the birth announcements in two Hawaiian newspapers, which were based on hospital's birth records.

Are there any Kenyan newspaper birth announcements to go with the Kenyan birth certificate?


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stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:55 am

Your tenacity is admirable. Your honesty is not.

Just look at the Australian birth certificate.

http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/Da…

G.F. Lavender is listed as the Australian Registrar. So don't go making up nonsense about other people named David Weigel.

You're lying about when Kenya became a Republic.

Berg did in fact include a forged birth certificate. He and Taitz were not always enemies. They were aligned until Taitz became too crazy for Berg. And HE is a 9/11 Truther!

Mombassa was NOT EVEN PART OF Kenya then. It was part of Zanzibar.

You're lying about the date of the certificate. By three YEARS! Anyone can see for themselves that the document purports to be dated 1961, not 1964.

Why all the lies? Strainin' to do some explainin'?

Just admit that you're a racist doofus and we'll let it go at that.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:00 am

Lies. This website, TWI, has refuted the nonsense about a COLB not being a real birth certificate.

So has the WSJ. So has the NRO.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702…

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMz…

Obama's mother's age is irrelevant. He was born in Hawaii. Look at the 14th Amendment. It was enacted in the 19th century. He's a natural born citizen.

You are distorting and conflating separate laws. Her age would have been insufficient to confer citizenship on a child born out of the country. Her age has nothing to do with the citizenship of a child born inside the U.S., like Obama was.

You don't have any proof that Obama attended any school on any foreign scholarship. Why make up bullshit? Oh yeah, you want to smear the black guy. Keep forgetting that.

Show us the Sacramento yearbook. Why make up bullshit? Oh wait, I just asked you that. My bad.

Conclusion should be, regardless of one's IQ, you are a racist doofus.

QED


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:07 am

Stupid squared.

His mother was an American citizen.

Doesn't matter if your parents are KGB spies. If you're born here in America, you are a natural born U.S. Citizen.

He provided his birth certificate. The COLB is a birth certificate. That's how he got his passport and his *ahem* Federal jobs of Senator and President.

McCain had to have an Act of Congress because he was born in Panama. Obama, being born in America, didn't need any special investigation or hearing by Congress.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:08 am

How ANYONE could write that pathetic list of bullshit and then tell someone ELSE to “grow the fuck up” is beyond me.

“Stupid sack of shit,” indeed.


davidnta
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:33 am

He already did stupid. Why don't you produce yours “Real American”


kriselda jarnsaxa
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

You misunderstand. I know perfectly well that there are a LOT of white southern republicans – of any age – who aren’t racist, and I never meant to imply otherwise. My comment was describing a VERY specific subgroup of people – and it’s NOT a subgroup of whites or southerners or older people or Republicans – nor is it even a subgroup of older white southerns who belong to the Republican party. It’s a subgroup of BIRTHERS – specifically BIRTHERS who are older white southern republicans.

The analysis of a recent survey indicates that the largest single demographic group of birthers are older, white, southern republicans, and I believe their motivation in challenging Obama’s legitimacy is because they are racists. That, however. cannot be extrapolated out into any kind of generalization about other whites, southerners, older people or Republicans (or even into any kind of a generalization about older, white, southern Republicans.) If you take the “birther” characterization out of the equation, we’re no longer talking about the same group of people.

Let me be clear: I am NOT saying that the majority of older, white, southern Republicans are racists. I’m NOT even saying that the majority of older, white, southern Republicans are birthers. I have no idea whatsoever what percentage of older, white, southern Republicans are bithers – they may be a very small minority of the older, white, southern Republican group. What I AM saying is that among BIRTHERS, the single biggest “chunk” is made up of older, white, southern Republicans.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

You are revealing your bias and your intent. Slander and name calling is your trademark. It wont work. It is not the same at all. Mine is just as legitimate as his, but I personally had to produce mine. He has never personally produced his. There is a difference whether you accept it or not. Civility is not your long suit, is it?


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Wheelo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:15 pm

All the birthers want is for Obama to release his long form, typed-on-a-typewriter, birth certificate that's signed by the docotor who delivered him and all that. The only reason we are embroiled in this ongoing craziness is Obama spending several hundred thousand dollars in court to prevent the release of this simple document. I know that the electonic form would be good enough for almost any purpose, but it is Obamas steadfast refusal to release the typewritten long form vault copy that has a portion of the population in an uproar. It says there's something to hide there. Please understand the value of the new, probably forged, certificate to the movement is not so much that it may be real. It's that it may be “real enough” to force the Obama camp to counter with the release of his actual, typewritten bc to defend himself. Obama can end this today.


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bayoris
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:33 pm

You can't use carbon dating to establish the age of any material less than about 350 years old.


Gregorius
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:45 pm

I am 51 years old and was born in the country in the Great State of California — and all I've ever had is a “Certificate of Live Birth.”

You birthers have what I call “Mary Poppins Syndrome.” Now get off your high horses and bake me a nice meatloaf.


elder
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

You miss the point. I have to physically present my document even though I have proof in hand. I feel. for me, that is excessive and subject to abuse.


Steve X
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

Typing the word “fact” in all caps does not make anything more true than it would have been if you typed it normally. And this “overwhelming evidence” that Obama was born overseas exists only in what passes for your brain.

I'm done with you, only because it physically hurts me to read what you write. It makes my eyes bleed.


elder
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

You miss the point. I am required to present my document even though I have proof in hand. Being better has nothing to do with it. From my point of view I believe the law to be excessive and subject to abuse.


Steve X
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:23 pm

Four words for you:

Look on the internet.


Methusaleh
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:23 pm

@stepehenperry

Actually, if your parents are KGB spies that would be one of two exceptions to US-borth = natural born status. The other one is if your parents are in the US in the service of a foreign government (at at embassy or consulate). However, excepting those 2 situations (and KGB spies is not the exception — being a foreign combatant is actually the other exception), under US v. Wong Ark Kim, Perkins v. Elg and Myner v. Hepperstett being born in the US makes the infant a “natural born” citizen. Why? The only other way to gain citizenship is “naturalization.”

When I was in law school (in the late 60's) my ConLaw professor joked that the “natural born” requirement could just as easily apply to infants not born to Caesarian Sections (which were known to the Founders since they had been performed since the time of Caesar).


skb
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

Oh for God's SAKE. HIs mother was an American Citizen. How the heck do you think he got a driver's license and passport. The proof has been provided so many times its ridiculous. Go read a book, educate yourself, do something but being part of the problem of outright stupidity!


Robin Levett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

“FALSE. Kenya became a Republic in December 12th 1963, not 1964.”

Nope – see its original constitution:

http://www.kenya-information-guide.com/kenya-co…


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

The truth will always hurt the ignorant and dumb downned….This is why u cant respond…If u had anything of substance to offer; u would, but u dont..There is NOTHING that u have said that has any factual, common sense to it at all…You are horribly deceived, misinformed and illogical to the point of total insanity..I actually feel sorry for ur lazy sorry ass….There is soo much knowledge, truth and clarity out there on the subject it is overwhelming, yet u continue to hang ur hat on a computer-generated short form document , that is forged, to be ur beacon of truth…Maybe i will print one up that tells the world i was born on the planet krypton and that my parents were jor-el and lara..Race will be stated as alien….If i get pulled over by the police for speeding, ill simply whip out my alien drivers license , and according to you, he will BELIEVE EVERY WORD ON IT AND ACCEPT IT AS THE GOSPEL BECAUSE I SAID ITS TRUE …What i have just wrote is essentially the basis of ur belief that obama was born in hawaii based on the internet posting…Or maybe i could take a screen shot of my alien drivers licesnse and tell the judge that if he doubts i was born on krypton, simply look on the internet and there u will find my alien drivers license…Oh, and BTY NO ONE IN HAWAII TO THIS DAY SAYS THAT THEY HAVE SEEN OBAMAS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT SAYS HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII..Check ur facts shithead!!!!….


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

What information is on ur COLB??…Id like to see it…..Its not good enough to reply to me and say “same info. thats on obamas”….Send me an actual copy…Of course u wont cause u know it would tell more about u…Besides, iam sure the state of California keeps a more detailed copy of information or ur original than the colb ur holding….Case closed!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

I agree with u, but the idiots on this blog who support and defend obama have no substance to their arguments…I have never read or seen so many people just write meaningless, nonessential statements backed by NOTHING but whispers of vapor, ghost and spectres that have no form or substance to them whatsoever..It makes one wonder where just plain old common sense went..They seem to think that the COLB posted on the internet IS THE ORIGINAL or that if there were an original long typewritten one in hawaii, that it would contain the EXACT same information obamas campaign posted on the internet…It is inconceivable to me the stupidity and ignorance of these bloggers here…I wouldnt mind discussing the issues in an open fair-minded forum, but if ur going to say something, make sure there is some substance, logic or reasoning to back it up….To just regurgitate the same disingenuous information time after time is boring and very depressing…Dont these obama lovers have anything of substance to say at all to support their position???


drconspiracy
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

The feeder document used to fake the Obama Kenyan birth certificate has been found on a genealogy web site. The original is Australian, but the name “Lavender” is on it, along with the same page and book number. This was discovered by Koyaan and posted at Politijab.com

http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/Da…


birdsarewild
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

My history book shows that Kenya became a republic in 1963. I just dug it out and checked. Are we trying to change history?


birdsarewild
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

My history book shows that Kenya became a republic in 1963. I just dug it out and checked. Are we trying to change history?


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

For ur information, im not a republican or a democrat, nor am i a birther…Iam a man who uses common sense in reaching a conclusion..I have never seen the COLB u used , as u stated, to obtain a passport..I would have to see it first and what is on it…Your telling me is not good enough..If u were born in 1969, the bureau of vital statistics would have more complete information on u either on a typewritten form or possibly computer form, but in either respect, they would have the ORIGINAL!!!…Tapping into ur common sense, surely u would prefer the best evidence as opposed to secondary evidence…That is just applying basic common sense…Plus, i dont wonder anything why or who lost in the election…Im not interested in that..What iam interested in is that people running or applying for the highest office in our country be constitutionally qualified…Since our constitution says in order to be president , u must be a natural born citizen, we as americans demand to see as “best evidence”, the original long form birth certificate generated in 1961 that allegedly hawaiian officials say they have on record..Why are u soo opposed to seeing the truth??…When u go to the bank to cash a check, would it satisfy you if the bank took a picture of the money and handed that to u, or would u rather see the actual U.S. dollar currency placed in ur hand…This is all people of reasonable minds are asking…If u cant see the need for this, then i feel really sorry for u lady!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

For ur information, im not a republican or a democrat, nor am i a birther…Iam a man who uses common sense in reaching a conclusion..I have never seen the COLB u used , as u stated, to obtain a passport..I would have to see it first and what is on it…Your telling me is not good enough..If u were born in 1969, the bureau of vital statistics would have more complete information on u either on a typewritten form or possibly computer form, but in either respect, they would have the ORIGINAL!!!…Tapping into ur common sense, surely u would prefer the best evidence as opposed to secondary evidence…That is just applying basic common sense…Plus, i dont wonder anything why or who lost in the election…Im not interested in that..What iam interested in is that people running or applying for the highest office in our country be constitutionally qualified…Since our constitution says in order to be president , u must be a natural born citizen, we as americans demand to see as “best evidence”, the original long form birth certificate generated in 1961 that allegedly hawaiian officials say they have on record..Why are u soo opposed to seeing the truth??…When u go to the bank to cash a check, would it satisfy you if the bank took a picture of the money and handed that to u, or would u rather see the actual U.S. dollar currency placed in ur hand…This is all people of reasonable minds are asking…If u cant see the need for this, then i feel really sorry for u lady!!!


ChristineAnn
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

Obama can end it all just by showing his documents. No one can argue with the fact that there is something seroiusly wrong about his choosing to hide them. End it already Barry so we can all move on.


olavodecarvalho
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:20 pm

Cannot you read? The date of birth is 1961, but the official copy was signed in 1964. As to Mombasa, Weigel himself tells you it was annexed to Kenya in 1963. And if you call me a racist online, please come to do it face to face and I will be pleased to give you the treatment you deserve. Just by the way, I was born in Brazil, I was married to a black lady and I have four mulatto children, all adult now. They would like so much to have you at the reach of their hands, you miserable petty dirty liar.


Joe
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

The short form you seem to disbelieve for no other reason than it hurts your case is a valid legal document that is prima facie evidence that a person was born in a particular place at a particular time. It contains all the necessary information to get a passport, a drivers license, and thus pretty much any thing you want. Hawaii in fact no longer gives out copies of the long form and the short form is the State's official birth certificate. They aren't alone, other States have done this as well to cut down on costs as the short form is easier to reproduce and it has all the information one reasonably needs.

Many, many independant and conservative leaning sources have examined Obama's short form and confirmed that it is genuine. All the forgery arguments are without merit. It is identical to every other Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii. It has the seal and the signature, even if it is hard to see on the scanned copy that has been available on the internet for a year now. It's a genuine Certificate of Live Birth stating the City, County and Island of Hawaii where he was born and it is something you only get if there is a valid long form on file. That's how they get the information to put on the short form. It is in fact proof that said long form does exist.

The last part of your argument is a blatant out and out lie. Both the Republican Governor of Hawaii and the State's Health Department Secretary have confirmed that they have examined the original, hand-written long form that is on file with the State. Both confirmed that it is there, it is genuine and that he was born in Hawaii. The hospital where he was born confirmed that Stanley Ann Dunham was a patient there and that she delivered a baby in August of 1961 and that that baby was named Barack Hussein Obama II. Two days after he was born a birth announcement for Obama appeared in a local Honolulu newspaper. That newspaper has been on microfilm, unchanged for decades in several local Honolulu libraries.

So either a bizarre conspiracy has been carried out which has spanned decades and included massive numbers of people, both Democrat and Republican, and required people to think that a bi-racial baby born in 1961 had a chance of becoming President so that they then decided to begin this conspiracy when he was born, or else you are full of shit. Either a pregnant woman and a man who showed no nationalistic tendancies or other strong loyalty or sense of pride in Kenya, for no known reason, decided to forgo the state of the art hospitals in Hawaii and fly across the globe and wound their way to a village that had no airport, paved roads, or running water, let alone hospitals or medical care for her to give birth (of course that village wasn't in Kenya at the time, but whatever) and then decided to quickly fly back to start this whole conspiracy or else you are full of shit.

After examining all of the “evidence” presented by you and Orly Taitz (the great lawyer/dentist/real estate agent) and examining all of the evidence to the contrary I find, after careful deliberation, that you lack so much as a single scintilla of evidence for your claim and that the contrary position is incredibly well supported with ample solid evidence. You are full of shit.


Joe
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

The short form you seem to disbelieve for no other reason than it hurts your case is a valid legal document that is prima facie evidence that a person was born in a particular place at a particular time. It contains all the necessary information to get a passport, a drivers license, and thus pretty much any thing you want. Hawaii in fact no longer gives out copies of the long form and the short form is the State's official birth certificate. They aren't alone, other States have done this as well to cut down on costs as the short form is easier to reproduce and it has all the information one reasonably needs.

Many, many independant and conservative leaning sources have examined Obama's short form and confirmed that it is genuine. All the forgery arguments are without merit. It is identical to every other Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii. It has the seal and the signature, even if it is hard to see on the scanned copy that has been available on the internet for a year now. It's a genuine Certificate of Live Birth stating the City, County and Island of Hawaii where he was born and it is something you only get if there is a valid long form on file. That's how they get the information to put on the short form. It is in fact proof that said long form does exist.

The last part of your argument is a blatant out and out lie. Both the Republican Governor of Hawaii and the State's Health Department Secretary have confirmed that they have examined the original, hand-written long form that is on file with the State. Both confirmed that it is there, it is genuine and that he was born in Hawaii. The hospital where he was born confirmed that Stanley Ann Dunham was a patient there and that she delivered a baby in August of 1961 and that that baby was named Barack Hussein Obama II. Two days after he was born a birth announcement for Obama appeared in a local Honolulu newspaper. That newspaper has been on microfilm, unchanged for decades in several local Honolulu libraries.

So either a bizarre conspiracy has been carried out which has spanned decades and included massive numbers of people, both Democrat and Republican, and required people to think that a bi-racial baby born in 1961 had a chance of becoming President so that they then decided to begin this conspiracy when he was born, or else you are full of shit. Either a pregnant woman and a man who showed no nationalistic tendancies or other strong loyalty or sense of pride in Kenya, for no known reason, decided to forgo the state of the art hospitals in Hawaii and fly across the globe and wound their way to a village that had no airport, paved roads, or running water, let alone hospitals or medical care for her to give birth (of course that village wasn't in Kenya at the time, but whatever) and then decided to quickly fly back to start this whole conspiracy or else you are full of shit.

After examining all of the “evidence” presented by you and Orly Taitz (the great lawyer/dentist/real estate agent) and examining all of the evidence to the contrary I find, after careful deliberation, that you lack so much as a single scintilla of evidence for your claim and that the contrary position is incredibly well supported with ample solid evidence. You are full of shit.


olavodecarvalho
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

You provide a false link to Kenya Constitution in order to dupe everybody. Here is the real thing: http://www.kenya-information-guide.com/kenya-co…
Please read, if you are able to do so:
“The Constitution is the supreme law of Kenya. The current Kenya Constitution was enacted on Independence Day, December 12th, 1963. There have been several amendments to the Constitution since then with the most current and effective Kenya Constitution having been revised on 2001. In November 2005, in a nation-wide referendum, Kenyan voters rejected a government-backed proposed new constitution.”


olavodecarvalho
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

Newspaper ads are not legal proofs. A birth certificate is.


gopfail
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

The COLB he provided already is also legal proof. That's why we think you're a moron.


gopfail
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

Totally! They duped our world class intelligence gathering agencies to boot! Woot!


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

We would be having this conversation if he were purple…What in the hell does color have to do with it..Besides, hes not BLACK!!!


Steve X
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

You probably shouldn't argue with drlove999. It's pretty obvious that he and the other birthers are impervious to logic and reality. I was about to try and point out all of the glaring legal, logical, and factual inconsistencies that birthers continually make, but it really wouldn't matter. You have to know that when it comes to dealing with irrational people, rational thought will only get you so far.


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

Its only stupid bullshit to idiotic imbecilic moronic people like yourself who have no proof, nothing of substance, can offer nothing in return, fail to understand how to openly discuss issues and only make personal attacks as a way to ridicule, demean and distort the truth…Any logical common sense person on earth would understand everything i wrote except a blind, ignorant shithead like yourself..You are a waste of space, breath and time………


angelaE123
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

Obama brought all of this on himself by not being “transparant”. I am a little supicious of someone that will not produce the evidence that they are qualified to hold the highest office in the land. But more than that, Obama has escalated the suspicions by his actions around the world (the apology tour) and his obvious disdain for this country. I would say the majority of natural born citizens of the United States are proud of our country. Wouldn't you?


Dee321
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

Joe,
Great Response. The insane Dr. Love has not responded. I doubt he can. If he does he will revert to his ridiculous attacks asking you for your birth certificate. We should all ask for his.

The birthers refuse to accept the facts, the legal documents, the proof of the raised stamp,
Snopes did a good job in refuting the Birther argument:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

They even provided the name and comments from Barbara Nelson who specifically remembered Obama's birth. Nelson knew Dr. West, who delivered President Obama. She recalls having dinner with the Doctor the evening after the delivery. The Doctor responding, “Well today, Stanley had a baby. Now that's something to write home about.” Stanley was Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack's mother.


Dee321
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

DrLove,
Would you please provide us your birth certificate? None of us believe a person so consumed with hate and illogic and spends entire days on the internet posting such unpatriotic attacks against our President can be an American. We know that Orly has a thick German (Nazi?) accent. She could NOT have been born in America.

Please show us the url to your birth certificate to certify YOU are an American and not a terrorist. Please provide the certificate of Live birth (we do want to make sure you lived through the event.) Please include the names of your HUMAN Parents (we want to make sure they were living human beings from the planet earth.)

Until then, you do not have a leg to stand on.


Robin Levett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

I've read and understood that. Have you. Note the reference to “several amendments to the Constitution”. I referred you to the original constitution – that is, the unamended constitution – that was enacted on Independence Day, 12 December 1963. It makes no mention of independent Kenya being a Republic; which would have been a difficult trick, because it remained a Dominion within the Commonwealth, recognising the Queen as Head of State.

Look at the current Constitution, which is marked up with the amending enactments which are the sources of the wording in the current document; the references to Kenya being a Republic are the product of amendments.:

http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/downloads/con…


Dee321
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

Here is a YouTube of Orly Taitz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUaca8wP9w

What a screaming meemee!!
What a nutcase!!

Birthers: Are you proud of your representative who cannot speak a complete sentence? And what is up with the Nazi accent??? How Embarrassing!!

I almost feel sorry for the Birthers.
Why don't you all have a parade.
Remember to wear your Tin Foil Hats with the flower in the cap!

LOL LOL


Robin Levett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

Sorry – the correct reference to the original Constitution is here:

http://www.constitutionnet.org/files/KEL63-002.pdf


Anony Mouse
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

“My history book shows that Kenya became a republic in 1963. I just dug it out and checked. Are we trying to change history?”

According to the ever-reliable (cough) CIA Factbook, Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963, but didn't become a republic until a year later, just as this article says.

So no official paperwork issued in Kenya in February 1964 would refer to the country as a republic.


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

You cannot get a passport using obamas COLB
2..it has no seal and it is not signed
3..no hospital has any record of obama or his mother
4..no independent or conservative has examined the short form and declared it to be legitmate
5..if it is proof that the long form exist, then where it is??
6..neither the governor of hawaii or the state dept secretary have said they examined obamas original birth certificate and that it says “he was born there”…You are a LIAR!!
7..no hospital has confirmed that stanley dunham was a patient there and delivered a baby..Your still a LIAR!!!.
8..in 1961, anyone could place a birth announcement in local newspapers…that doesnt prove anything
9..I could care less about what Orly Taitz has or does not have…What i care about is open honesty which is something u and the rest of ur comrades are void of..You are a spreader of false information, false lies and propaganda to further confuse and mislead the ignorant, insanely blind and those in denial who would rather avoid the truth than have to deal with it..You have posted so many lies, untruths and distortions u are a sick individual with no substance in fact of fiction to support ur position, like all obots..You are a worthless waste of time and energy..As i have always said, it is not my job to educate the ignorant dumbasses of this world..You sir, are on top of my list…Please do not write me again for it is extremely unpleasant and depressing to read such idiotic fodder and bullshit as u are!!


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Pitt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

The BM was reticent during McBush's candidacy. Yet, he was clearly not an American citizen by lunatic BM standards.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/McBush.html

It must pain the BM to know that BHO and Clinton signed a bill legalizing McBush's citizenship requirement in 2005. How convenient the BM overlooked such details.

There's just nothing left to grab at, foolish children and overt ideologues. Nothing. It is the BM that is crushing the Republicans. It's called overreach and it's common to totalitarians, as we see here on this thread. Defending the indefensible Bush-Cheney dictatorship has produced a vicious, fascist, racist Party, incapable of reasoned discourse.

Its amazing how few Republicans travel abroad, because if they did, they'd discover how hard it is to get a passport without an embossed original birth certificate. No matter how much evidence is put forth, the fascist mind is never satisfied.

How many here truly believe the BM would back off if given certified, embossed birth certificates? Anyone? Zero! The BM is nothing but the brown shirt corp that acts similar to John Bolton, Neo Con. Confrontation and hostility are done for recruitment if not subversion.

Now thank Barack Hussein Obama for helping McBush run legally. In the alternative, there's always the reliable cliff so popular with Party Nationalist Socialists.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/darwins_twofer.html


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

I would be happy,…Provide me ur full name, phone number and mailing address and ill send it right out…obama is not the president..He is a fraud and a usurper unlawfully occupying the Oval Office..He is a radical muslim who is destroying this country..What is so amazing is that u are blinded to see it…Ill do better than show u the url, ill show u the actual birth certificate..Believe me, i have more than a leg to stand on..Iam a constitutionally conscious man who believes in open honest truth..To show what a liar and posturer u are, you will never have the nerve to give me ur personal information for me to send u my BC…Your just full of shit and hot meaningless air who has nothing of substance to say or do..The difference between me, millions of other americans and obama is that WE WILL SHOW U THE PROOF AND HE WONT….That fact standing alone should make u curious..Also, i dont know who ur parents were or how they raised u, but obviously they did a shitty job..They must not have taught u to be curious of things that dont add up or make sense..I suppose if ur married, (i hope not) that according to the way u believe, if u walked in the door of ur home one day and saw ur husband screwing another woman in ur bed, would u believe ur eyes or what ur husband would tell u??…This is how insane ur reply comments are,,,,.obama has all his records sealed so no one on planet earth can look at them and apparently, that doesnt bother u..You are just as content as a pig in slop to accept his surrepitiously concealment of records which every other american on this planet must produce at some point or another in their life, but not him…what makes him so special that he is above the law, above suspicion, above honesty??…What in the fuck is wrong with ur mind lady???….Do u really think it is asking too much for obama to release his original BC so that if it is real, we can all shut up and go about our business??…obama has the power to do this, yet he spends upwards of a million dollars to refuse to release a $15 document….It is inconceivable to me that that fact standing alone doesnt make u wonder,”whats up”??….Does that sound like a person who is innocent and who has nothing to hide??…Get real and out of ur stupor!!…Do u realize, he wont even show the original of the scanned photocopy thats on the internet…How suspicious is that??…Actually, this is all academic cause the country will be destroyed before we can oust this fraud out of office anyway…Do some studying and educate yourself instead of just believing in fantasy and continuing to drink the obama kool-aid…PLEASE!!!


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

Birth Certificates often list nationalities instead of race. Since Obama’s father was from Africa, that may be why they listed “African” instead of Negro. (I know Africa is a continent, not a country, but Kenya was then a province, also not a country.)


Dee321
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

I am convinced YOU are NOT an American. What is your email ID and your name and address. If you have the guts, PROVE you are an American. Share you email, name and address with us, then we will ALL Send you our Birth Certificates.

Are you a Coward? Did I touch a nerve? Closet Internet COWARDS like YOU are full of malice and hate and profanity and are Nazis, just like your uneducated leader, Orly Taitz.

Shame on you!!
You are UNAmerican, UNPatriotic, and a scoundrel.

God Bless America
God Bless our President, Barack Obama


cvkahty
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

I would think that our government – the government that was in place BEFORE Barack Obama was elected – would have searched down his birthplace since this nonsense has been flying around a very long time. Are you suggesting that our CIA, FBI, and any other initialed department is incompetent?

Our President has produced his birth certificate. Just because it doesn't satisfy YOUR needs does not mean it's not valid. It's also been verified by numerous organizations – including the Republican Governor of Hawaii. Barack Obama is very proud of the United States. He also realizes he's part of entire planet. Just because you choose not to hear him when he says wonderful things about the United States doesn't mean he doesn't say them.


angelaE123
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

Excuse me, I haven't actually heard him say anything good about the US. I
am not saying that he is not a citizen – but by his actions, he does cause
folks to question it!


Pitt
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

Afterbirthers anyone?


cvkahty
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

Again, just because you chose not to hear (or read) the good things he's said doesn't mean he hasn't said them. Other people actually HAVE heard him say those things so that means he's actually said them. Is that fairly easy for you to understand?


angelaE123
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

If you have so much confidence in Obama, then why are you wasting your time
talking to me?

Just wondering!


angelaE123
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

If you have so much confidence in Obama, then why are you wasting your time
talking to me?

Just wondering!


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Let me tell u something lady, u have been drinkin this obama shit for soo long ur brain cells are incapable of independent thought….obama is a foreign born radical muslim nationalist who is a fraud and illegally occupying the White House as a usurper and an imposter…Where in the fuck have u been??…He is the most un-american, apologetic, ass kissing to terrorist asshole that has ever stepped foot in the white house..Are u literally out of ur fuckin mind???…Listen bitch, ur the one asking for my original birth certificate which i promised to send to u once i received ur phone number, mailing address, etc…You never produced it (just like obama).., so until u do what i ask out of you, u wont get shit from me..But like i said in my previous letter, u wont take me up on the challenge cause ur scared shitless just like the rest of ur obama kool-aid drinkin friends..The one thing i hate about bitches like u is that u give a challenge, it is acepted, and then u sorry chicken shit asswipe, BACK DOWN!!!…Provide me ur phone number and address and i will mail my original BC to u….Im not afraid, but u are scared to death!!…If my honest approach to ask uncomfortable questions of our fraud president illegally occupying the white house , makes me un-american, then so be it!!..Incidentally Orly Taitz is not my leader..I dont need another person to make me use my brain…Iam quite capable of doing that myself u ignorant bitch..To use God and obama in the same sentence is an abomination of the highest order….obama should be arrested and put in handcuffs, tried for treason and given the ultimate punishment…For ur reading pleasure (that is if ur capable of reading and understanding the english language) go to the following link and maybe u will get a little education..You dont have to thank me…Im doing it out of sheer sorry for ur ignorance and unparalleled stupidity…. http://www.oilforimmigration.org// and read this…By JB Williams Sunday, August 2, 2009

The mystery messiah who was supposed to unite the nation and the world has managed to divide the nation more than at any time since the Civil War, and he’s just getting started!

Two years into blocking all access to his birth, adoption, college and passport records, Barack Obama is finally running out of room to run from his top secret past. Both “birthers” (aka constitutionalists) and “anti-birthers” (aka Marxist Obama minions and constitutional illiterates) number in the millions and the debate between them is beyond extreme, it’s downright vicious, working its way towards violent.

Unable to defend with any real facts, Obama’s decision to keep his entire life top secret, his minions have resorted to accusations of “racism” and “fascist right-wing extremism” in their effort to silence constitutionally conscious dissenters and the exploding demand for Obama to become the “transparent” president he promised to be.

“a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.”

Although this describes the Obama administration to the letter, as well as O-bots, this is actually the definition of “fascism,” proving once again that leftist can’t even get their insults right.

Over the last two years, Obama has named two different Hawaiian hospitals as his place of birth. Neither hospital will confirm… He, or his campaign, offered two different COLBs (Certifications of Live Birth, NOT Certificates of Live Birth) and then FactCheck (owned, operated and edited by Obama’s past community organizing employer, Annenberg) came up with their own Obama COLB, which of course did not match the COLBs offered by Team Obama.

Fact is, anyone could purchase a “Certification of Live Birth” in Hawaii in 1961 and many did during that era, including Obama’s half-sister Maya who was born and raised in Indonesia by Obama’s adoptive father, Lolo Soetoro.

Still, many Obama minions on the web and in the press claim to “know” that Obama was born in Hawaii, even though none of them have ever seen Obama’s official birth records from Hawaii because Obama refuses to release them for verification and authentication. Even Vanderbilt Law Professor and Huffington Post blogger Carol Swain, is now calling for the records to be opened. (See WND report here: ’It’s so easy. I think most of us have ours in our important papers at home‘)

Yet, Obama’s own family in Kenya claims to have been present at his birth in Kenya and now a very real looking Kenyan birth certificate for Barack has surfaced. (See WND Report here: Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa)

Like the Obama COLBs, the Kenyan certificate has not yet been authenticated. But if all of them are forgeries, then the Kenyan forgery is by far the most convincing, bearing all of the right markings in all the right forms, unlike Obama’s COLBs. Frankly, I will be somewhat shocked if the Kenyan certificate turns out to be real. Odds are much better that it was created and released by the same people who created and released Obama’s COLBs… Team Obama.

But the simple fact is, nobody knows with any certainty where Barack Hussein Obama II was born, and that’s Obama’s fault. I can prove when and where I was born, and so can any other legal US citizen with nothing to hide, as Professor Swain points out.

In defense of CNN’s Lou Dobbs, Newsmax finally weighs in on the matter with Lou Dobbs Right on Obama Birth Certificate. “As it stands, Obama is the only president in history whose birthplace is unknown to the public – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate. Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as the place of birth.—Obama’s refusal to release his birth certificate does mean that Obama remains one of America’s most mysterious and opaque presidents ever.” Proclaims the Newsmax staff…

The issue of Barack’s top secret past is not going away as Barack and his mindless minions had hoped. It is growing and with each passing day, more and more Americans, even some who voted for Barack, are demanding to know what is in those Obama files that could be more damaging than the divisions caused by his lack of transparency?

As a new reader going by the name XobamaVoter recently posted over at Canada Free Press,—“Very well written …You couldn’t have made it more clear than this! I just wish I could go back since I did vote for Obama, not that I liked McCain either tho…But something is indeed weird about BO…I finally agree, what is he hiding?” As all current polls indicate, the public tide is turning against Obama and Democrats.

Meanwhile, his blatant Marxist agenda is now meeting with such a massive public revolt that his fellow Democrats in congress are scared to meet with their constituents back home, as has been a long standing tradition during their August recess.

Dems put muzzle on obamacare foes

Democrat town-hall after town-hall is turning into an impromptu TEA Party in which members of congress fear for their physical well-being. Instead of taking a deep breathe, sitting down and listening as their constituents (read – employers) attempt to communicate their dissatisfaction with the current rush into Marxism in Washington, Democrats are canceling meetings with constituents and running for cover like the cowards they have become.

Congress fears voters; meetings in home districts cancelled

Convinced that constituents are not as smart as elitist Democrats in Washington, congressional Marxists plan to bulldoze ahead without the consent of their idiot constituents who don’t seem to know as well as DC Democrats, what’s good for them. Democrats not only fail to represent the half of Americans who didn’t vote for them (but do pay most of the taxes in this country), now Democrats don’t even want to meet with the folks who did.

Between Obama’s continued attempts to escape his secret past and the fascist bullying present in the Marxist agenda of the leftist Washington DC Thugocracy, not to mention the lefts constant beating of the “racist” and “economic envy” division drums, the “great uniter” has managed to divide the nation at a level not seen since the Civil War.

This can’t end well…

No matter how many millions of Americans demand Obama transparency, it’s clear that he has no intention of being the transparent president he promised to be during his campaign. His Marxist policies make it equally clear that he has no intention of being in any way “bi-partisan” or “moderate” either.

For the record, I stand firmly with the half of Americans who still believe in the US Constitution, who still revere the concepts of freedom and liberty, decency and honesty. As a result, I am becoming increasingly intolerant of the leftist attempts to scare Americans into Obammunism and deflect attention away from the apparent reality that we have an unqualified anti-American thug in the Oval Office.

Maybe that’s because I own a business that my wife and I started almost twenty years ago, which has lost 30% of its hard-earned revenue since Obama took office six months ago. As a business owner and life-long American investor, I “know” that Americans will NOT invest in Marxism. There is no turning this economy around until we turn Washington DC around and head it back in the direction of freedom and liberty, instead of counterfeit “entitlements” and tyrannical confiscation of hard-earned private assets. When businesses lose revenue, they lose investment and people lose jobs… It took my wife and I twenty years to build it. But it took DC leftists only six months to wreck it.—I digress….

The Burden of Proof

Article II of the Constitution is not written as a requirement for American citizens. It is written as a requirement for only those who wish to be president of the Unites States. Implicit in that requirement, is the fact that one held accountable for the requirement must be willing to provide proof of meeting the requirement, if asked to do so. Obama has been asked to do so thousands of times, hundreds of ways, including in courts of law, for two years now.

He thus far refuses to comply, and on that basis alone, he does NOT meet Article II requirements. The burden of proof rests with the applicant, not the people he is employed by.

Like any other job applicant in America, if as a condition of employment, he is asked to take a drug test to prove he is not on drugs, he can decline to take the test, but then he doesn’t qualify for the job.

The employer does not have to prove that the applicant is on drugs, the applicant has to prove he isn’t, as a stated condition of employment.

The same is true here. Being a “natural born citizen” is a “stated condition of employment” for the Oval Office. It is up to the applicant to prove that he meets that condition, when asked, if not before.

Obama Agrees!

Not now, but when he sat on the Senate Committee which resolved that John McCain was indeed eligible to run for the Oval Office, Obama seemed to understand and fully agree with the Founders constitutional requirement of “natural born citizen.”

In fact, he and his fellow Democrats went so far as to establish how and why John McCain met the Article II “natural born citizen” requirement. Here’s their resolution… http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

In it, Obama and fellow Democrats state three very important facts….the entire basis for their resolve in confirming Senator John McCain as both a “natural born citizen” and in compliance with Article II requirements to be President.

1. Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ of the United States;
2. Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens;
3. – be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

In short, as Democrat Senator Patrick Leahy stated so well, “Because he [McCain] was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen.”

There is NO such Senate resolution concerning Barack Hussein Obama, because as Obama & Co. know so well, Obama was NOT “born to American citizens.”

His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama I was a “natural born citizen” of Kenya, and was NEVER a legal citizen of the United States. As a result, Barack Hussein Obama II cannot pass Article II – Section I – Clause 5 requirements for the office he fraudulently holds at present.

Even Obama and his Democrat friends were VERY clear about this when it concerned Senator John McCain. They have clearly had a memory lapse since…

Obama’s Future is in his Hands

Personally, I have strong doubts that the Kenyan birth certificate is real. But I don’t “know” it, and yet I have NO doubts that the Hawaiian COLBs offered as proof of Obama’s eligibility under Article II, are forgeries and irrelevant.

It makes NO difference where Barack Hussein Obama was born, other than as further proof that he is a fraud and nothing he reports himself to be, now a foregone conclusion for most Americans.

Technically speaking however, as Obama was NOT “born to American citizens,” he is NOT a “natural born citizen” as even Obama and friends resolve in their Senate Resolution clearing John McCain’s White House bid.

What happens next is up to Obama. He can keep himself out of prison or from being tarred and feathered as he is removed from the Oval Office in handcuffs, by coming forward and opening up all secret files to clear his name, or—he can wait for the vicious debate to become violent… at which point he may have to run back to Kenya to escape a public revolt.

Obama has brought this on himself and he can stop it anytime he wants. If he doesn’t, I predict that the people will. Clearly, the debate over whether or not Barack Obama is a US Citizen will continue until Obama releases his documents to prove it one way or another.
But no document release is needed to know that Barack Hussein Obama is NOT the son of American citizens, as Barack has stated himself in his books. No document release is needed to know that only one born to two US citizens is a “natural born citizen,” because even Obama and fellow Democrats confirmed that in their Senate Resolution concerning McCain. And NO document release is needed to know without any doubt whatsoever, that Barack Hussein Obama does not meet Article II – Section I – Clause 5 requirements, on this basis alone.

However, with the help of “crazy as an out-house rat” Nancy Pelosi, Obama is pushing the nation to internal conflict just the same, and he is at the epicenter of that conflict. He alone can stop it. I hope that all Americans will join me in asking him to do just that, before people begin to take matters into their own hands, out of desperation.

Obama holds the keys to his locked past, and the key to his political future. People running interference for him are at risk of going down with him. I sincerely hope that both will choose their path more carefully over the coming days.

If they simply continue to run from constituents and Obama’s past, this cannot end well, for any American…


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Let me tell u something lady, u have been drinkin this obama shit for soo long ur brain cells are incapable of independent thought….obama is a foreign born radical muslim nationalist who is a fraud and illegally occupying the White House as a usurper and an imposter…Where in the fuck have u been??…He is the most un-american, apologetic, ass kissing to terrorist asshole that has ever stepped foot in the white house..Are u literally out of ur fuckin mind???…Listen bitch, ur the one asking for my original birth certificate which i promised to send to u once i received ur phone number, mailing address, etc…You never produced it (just like obama).., so until u do what i ask out of you, u wont get shit from me..But like i said in my previous letter, u wont take me up on the challenge cause ur scared shitless just like the rest of ur obama kool-aid drinkin friends..The one thing i hate about bitches like u is that u give a challenge, it is acepted, and then u sorry chicken shit asswipe, BACK DOWN!!!…Provide me ur phone number and address and i will mail my original BC to u….Im not afraid, but u are scared to death!!…If my honest approach to ask uncomfortable questions of our fraud president illegally occupying the white house , makes me un-american, then so be it!!..Incidentally Orly Taitz is not my leader..I dont need another person to make me use my brain…Iam quite capable of doing that myself u ignorant bitch..To use God and obama in the same sentence is an abomination of the highest order….obama should be arrested and put in handcuffs, tried for treason and given the ultimate punishment…For ur reading pleasure (that is if ur capable of reading and understanding the english language) go to the following link and maybe u will get a little education..You dont have to thank me…Im doing it out of sheer sorry for ur ignorance and unparalleled stupidity…. http://www.oilforimmigration.org// and read this…By JB Williams Sunday, August 2, 2009

The mystery messiah who was supposed to unite the nation and the world has managed to divide the nation more than at any time since the Civil War, and he’s just getting started!

Two years into blocking all access to his birth, adoption, college and passport records, Barack Obama is finally running out of room to run from his top secret past. Both “birthers” (aka constitutionalists) and “anti-birthers” (aka Marxist Obama minions and constitutional illiterates) number in the millions and the debate between them is beyond extreme, it’s downright vicious, working its way towards violent.

Unable to defend with any real facts, Obama’s decision to keep his entire life top secret, his minions have resorted to accusations of “racism” and “fascist right-wing extremism” in their effort to silence constitutionally conscious dissenters and the exploding demand for Obama to become the “transparent” president he promised to be.

“a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.”

Although this describes the Obama administration to the letter, as well as O-bots, this is actually the definition of “fascism,” proving once again that leftist can’t even get their insults right.

Over the last two years, Obama has named two different Hawaiian hospitals as his place of birth. Neither hospital will confirm… He, or his campaign, offered two different COLBs (Certifications of Live Birth, NOT Certificates of Live Birth) and then FactCheck (owned, operated and edited by Obama’s past community organizing employer, Annenberg) came up with their own Obama COLB, which of course did not match the COLBs offered by Team Obama.

Fact is, anyone could purchase a “Certification of Live Birth” in Hawaii in 1961 and many did during that era, including Obama’s half-sister Maya who was born and raised in Indonesia by Obama’s adoptive father, Lolo Soetoro.

Still, many Obama minions on the web and in the press claim to “know” that Obama was born in Hawaii, even though none of them have ever seen Obama’s official birth records from Hawaii because Obama refuses to release them for verification and authentication. Even Vanderbilt Law Professor and Huffington Post blogger Carol Swain, is now calling for the records to be opened. (See WND report here: ’It’s so easy. I think most of us have ours in our important papers at home‘)

Yet, Obama’s own family in Kenya claims to have been present at his birth in Kenya and now a very real looking Kenyan birth certificate for Barack has surfaced. (See WND Report here: Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa)

Like the Obama COLBs, the Kenyan certificate has not yet been authenticated. But if all of them are forgeries, then the Kenyan forgery is by far the most convincing, bearing all of the right markings in all the right forms, unlike Obama’s COLBs. Frankly, I will be somewhat shocked if the Kenyan certificate turns out to be real. Odds are much better that it was created and released by the same people who created and released Obama’s COLBs… Team Obama.

But the simple fact is, nobody knows with any certainty where Barack Hussein Obama II was born, and that’s Obama’s fault. I can prove when and where I was born, and so can any other legal US citizen with nothing to hide, as Professor Swain points out.

In defense of CNN’s Lou Dobbs, Newsmax finally weighs in on the matter with Lou Dobbs Right on Obama Birth Certificate. “As it stands, Obama is the only president in history whose birthplace is unknown to the public – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate. Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as the place of birth.—Obama’s refusal to release his birth certificate does mean that Obama remains one of America’s most mysterious and opaque presidents ever.” Proclaims the Newsmax staff…

The issue of Barack’s top secret past is not going away as Barack and his mindless minions had hoped. It is growing and with each passing day, more and more Americans, even some who voted for Barack, are demanding to know what is in those Obama files that could be more damaging than the divisions caused by his lack of transparency?

As a new reader going by the name XobamaVoter recently posted over at Canada Free Press,—“Very well written …You couldn’t have made it more clear than this! I just wish I could go back since I did vote for Obama, not that I liked McCain either tho…But something is indeed weird about BO…I finally agree, what is he hiding?” As all current polls indicate, the public tide is turning against Obama and Democrats.

Meanwhile, his blatant Marxist agenda is now meeting with such a massive public revolt that his fellow Democrats in congress are scared to meet with their constituents back home, as has been a long standing tradition during their August recess.

Dems put muzzle on obamacare foes

Democrat town-hall after town-hall is turning into an impromptu TEA Party in which members of congress fear for their physical well-being. Instead of taking a deep breathe, sitting down and listening as their constituents (read – employers) attempt to communicate their dissatisfaction with the current rush into Marxism in Washington, Democrats are canceling meetings with constituents and running for cover like the cowards they have become.

Congress fears voters; meetings in home districts cancelled

Convinced that constituents are not as smart as elitist Democrats in Washington, congressional Marxists plan to bulldoze ahead without the consent of their idiot constituents who don’t seem to know as well as DC Democrats, what’s good for them. Democrats not only fail to represent the half of Americans who didn’t vote for them (but do pay most of the taxes in this country), now Democrats don’t even want to meet with the folks who did.

Between Obama’s continued attempts to escape his secret past and the fascist bullying present in the Marxist agenda of the leftist Washington DC Thugocracy, not to mention the lefts constant beating of the “racist” and “economic envy” division drums, the “great uniter” has managed to divide the nation at a level not seen since the Civil War.

This can’t end well…

No matter how many millions of Americans demand Obama transparency, it’s clear that he has no intention of being the transparent president he promised to be during his campaign. His Marxist policies make it equally clear that he has no intention of being in any way “bi-partisan” or “moderate” either.

For the record, I stand firmly with the half of Americans who still believe in the US Constitution, who still revere the concepts of freedom and liberty, decency and honesty. As a result, I am becoming increasingly intolerant of the leftist attempts to scare Americans into Obammunism and deflect attention away from the apparent reality that we have an unqualified anti-American thug in the Oval Office.

Maybe that’s because I own a business that my wife and I started almost twenty years ago, which has lost 30% of its hard-earned revenue since Obama took office six months ago. As a business owner and life-long American investor, I “know” that Americans will NOT invest in Marxism. There is no turning this economy around until we turn Washington DC around and head it back in the direction of freedom and liberty, instead of counterfeit “entitlements” and tyrannical confiscation of hard-earned private assets. When businesses lose revenue, they lose investment and people lose jobs… It took my wife and I twenty years to build it. But it took DC leftists only six months to wreck it.—I digress….

The Burden of Proof

Article II of the Constitution is not written as a requirement for American citizens. It is written as a requirement for only those who wish to be president of the Unites States. Implicit in that requirement, is the fact that one held accountable for the requirement must be willing to provide proof of meeting the requirement, if asked to do so. Obama has been asked to do so thousands of times, hundreds of ways, including in courts of law, for two years now.

He thus far refuses to comply, and on that basis alone, he does NOT meet Article II requirements. The burden of proof rests with the applicant, not the people he is employed by.

Like any other job applicant in America, if as a condition of employment, he is asked to take a drug test to prove he is not on drugs, he can decline to take the test, but then he doesn’t qualify for the job.

The employer does not have to prove that the applicant is on drugs, the applicant has to prove he isn’t, as a stated condition of employment.

The same is true here. Being a “natural born citizen” is a “stated condition of employment” for the Oval Office. It is up to the applicant to prove that he meets that condition, when asked, if not before.

Obama Agrees!

Not now, but when he sat on the Senate Committee which resolved that John McCain was indeed eligible to run for the Oval Office, Obama seemed to understand and fully agree with the Founders constitutional requirement of “natural born citizen.”

In fact, he and his fellow Democrats went so far as to establish how and why John McCain met the Article II “natural born citizen” requirement. Here’s their resolution… http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

In it, Obama and fellow Democrats state three very important facts….the entire basis for their resolve in confirming Senator John McCain as both a “natural born citizen” and in compliance with Article II requirements to be President.

1. Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ of the United States;
2. Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens;
3. – be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

In short, as Democrat Senator Patrick Leahy stated so well, “Because he [McCain] was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen.”

There is NO such Senate resolution concerning Barack Hussein Obama, because as Obama & Co. know so well, Obama was NOT “born to American citizens.”

His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama I was a “natural born citizen” of Kenya, and was NEVER a legal citizen of the United States. As a result, Barack Hussein Obama II cannot pass Article II – Section I – Clause 5 requirements for the office he fraudulently holds at present.

Even Obama and his Democrat friends were VERY clear about this when it concerned Senator John McCain. They have clearly had a memory lapse since…

Obama’s Future is in his Hands

Personally, I have strong doubts that the Kenyan birth certificate is real. But I don’t “know” it, and yet I have NO doubts that the Hawaiian COLBs offered as proof of Obama’s eligibility under Article II, are forgeries and irrelevant.

It makes NO difference where Barack Hussein Obama was born, other than as further proof that he is a fraud and nothing he reports himself to be, now a foregone conclusion for most Americans.

Technically speaking however, as Obama was NOT “born to American citizens,” he is NOT a “natural born citizen” as even Obama and friends resolve in their Senate Resolution clearing John McCain’s White House bid.

What happens next is up to Obama. He can keep himself out of prison or from being tarred and feathered as he is removed from the Oval Office in handcuffs, by coming forward and opening up all secret files to clear his name, or—he can wait for the vicious debate to become violent… at which point he may have to run back to Kenya to escape a public revolt.

Obama has brought this on himself and he can stop it anytime he wants. If he doesn’t, I predict that the people will. Clearly, the debate over whether or not Barack Obama is a US Citizen will continue until Obama releases his documents to prove it one way or another.
But no document release is needed to know that Barack Hussein Obama is NOT the son of American citizens, as Barack has stated himself in his books. No document release is needed to know that only one born to two US citizens is a “natural born citizen,” because even Obama and fellow Democrats confirmed that in their Senate Resolution concerning McCain. And NO document release is needed to know without any doubt whatsoever, that Barack Hussein Obama does not meet Article II – Section I – Clause 5 requirements, on this basis alone.

However, with the help of “crazy as an out-house rat” Nancy Pelosi, Obama is pushing the nation to internal conflict just the same, and he is at the epicenter of that conflict. He alone can stop it. I hope that all Americans will join me in asking him to do just that, before people begin to take matters into their own hands, out of desperation.

Obama holds the keys to his locked past, and the key to his political future. People running interference for him are at risk of going down with him. I sincerely hope that both will choose their path more carefully over the coming days.

If they simply continue to run from constituents and Obama’s past, this cannot end well, for any American…


cvkahty
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Sorry – I don't even know what the hell you mean by that question. Are you saying that if I have confidence in the President that I shouldn't be wasting my time with you? You do know that this is a slam against yourself and not me, don't you? Why would you think that if I'm replying to you that I am wasting my time? I don't consider this conversation a waste. Just saying.


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

My family moved a lot when I was a child. Several items were lost along the way, but my birth certificate survived.

However, I no longer have my long form birth certificate. My ex-husband destroyed it before our divorce.

When I requested a copy of my birth certificate from the state, it had the same format as Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate.

My ex-father-in-law also does not have his birth certificate, and he could not get a copy when he requested one. He was born in a rural part of Canada and the original records were destroyed in a fire.

Obama's parents got divorced. His family moved around a lot. He has provided all he can provide.

Your demand that he produce the long form is an insult to all the people who are victims of disasters, carelessness and bad split-ups by insinuating that we also are no longer citizens.

Give up the demand for the long form and accept that he has provided all that he can.


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

What evidence do you have that the Hawaiian birth certificate is a forgery?


Dee321
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Dr. Love,
I knew you would not have the courage to post your real name or email.
You are a coward. A closet coward.
I touched a nerve, didn't I. Teh response of idiots is to use profane language.

I don't believe you are American. You could not possibly be from America if you are so anxious to overthrow our government. Are you a terrorist? What country are you from?

Orly Taitz is your leader. You sound like her. Did you see her video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUaca8wP9w

Silly little terrorists.
We Americans are NOT afraid of you.
Go back to your little closet and play on your PC, take your drugs, drink your booze, and sign under an anonymous name. Coward!


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[...] Why is this good news for Obama? Because the document, like the birthers’ central thesis, is so easily shown to be so much hot air. [...]


Robin Levett
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

Kenya itself says it became a Republic in 1964 – see (for example, for conciseness, the Kenyan UN Mission site):

“A general election was held between May 18 and May 25, 1963. KANU led by Mzee Jomo Kenyatta won against Ronald Ngala's KADU and the African People's Party led by Paul Ngei. On June 1, 1963 internal self-government was granted and the day came to be known as Madaraka day.

On December 12, 1963, Kenya attained independence (Uhuru) with Mzee Jomo Kenyatta as the first Prime Minister. The day was named Uhuru Day.

On December 12, 1964, Kenya became a Republic with Mzee Kenyatta as the first President, heading a cabinet of 18 Ministers. Uhuru day was renamed Jamhuri (Republic) Day.”

http://kenyaun.org/polhistory.html

Whom do we believe – your report of what your history book says, or the Kenyan Government? Tough one, that.


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

The newspaper announcements are good corroborating evidence rather than legal proofs. They make the Hawaiian birth certificate more believable.

Does the Kenyan birth certificate have any contemporary corroborating evidence to make the story of a Kenyan birth more believable?


tabascoman77
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

You know, Dr. Love…you're not from the Right, then why did you rip that article from Right Side News? Oops…you're a liar.

Firstly, and secondly, this article CONVENIENTLY glosses over the fact that Obama's mom IS an American citizen, but that's to be expected.

Third, Obama hasn't hidden SHIT from the public. Lemme tell ya' somethin': just because some whack-job from Right Side News says he has doesn't mean he has. All his accomplishments are a matter of public record.

You're so full of shit, I can smell you from your mommy's basement.

I know it's hard to accept the truth that your enemy, Obama, won. But, he did.

This isn't even a major news story anymore, dude.

You lost. Give it up.


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[...] this Orly Taitz fiasco was a way to nip it all in the bud:  Present an easily-proven-forged Kenyan birth certificate, and send a Russian-Israeli-agent, a non-citizen herself, to have a freakass Islamophobic meltdown [...]


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

It is not my job to educate the ignorant and massively ill-informed..abc, nbc, cbs, msnbc, cnn and fox news have done their damdest to keep millions of people mis informed and in the dark…Ill give u links to a few article and u decide for yourself..http://countusout.wordpress.com/
read this article…..Okay…all of you state run media people…..is this the type of document you received from Hawaii….if it is…. you need to put it out for all of America to see…..my hunch is you didn’t receive anything remotely close to the documents Eleanor Nordyke is holding in her hands which belong to her twin daughters born in the same hospital that the FRAUD says he was born in and just one day later than the birthday claimed by the illegitimate PREZ!!!! This is what we need to see….not some ridiculous piece of paper that would never hold water in a court of law! Please circulate this information to all of your contacts and especially the Lame Stream Media!!! Jackie:)

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, are not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” Theodore Roosevelt.

Teddy got it right…..how about you MEDIA PIMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BORN IN THE USA?
Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
Real documents include name of doctor, hospital

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Posted: July 28, 2009
9:35 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Eleanor Nordyke displays photostats of her twin daughters' birth certificates (Courtesy Honolulu Advertiser)

Images of two 1961 Hawaii birth certificates similar to the one President Obama purportedly has on file have now been unveiled.

The Honolulu Advertiser published photostats of the original long-form birth certificates of twin daughters born to Eleanor Nordyke at Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama was supposedly born at the same facility.

The Nordykes' certificates include information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.

As WND reported yesterday, Hawaii's director of health responded to the growing controversy over the White House's refusal to release Obama's original long-form birth certificate by issuing a statement about the document in apparent contravention of Hawaiian law.

Dr. Chiyome Fukino declared she has seen the “original birth records” that verify Obama was born in Hawaii and is a “natural-born American citizen,” the Honolulu Advertiser reported.

Join in WND's Fedex campaign and tell Obama you don't buy his state-run media coverup!

But in two separate telephone interviews with WND, Janice Okubo, the health department's public information officer, told WND that Hawaii law prohibited her from commenting on the birth records of any specific person.

WND also reported the Hawaii Department of Heath affirmed that no paper birth certificate records were destroyed when the department moved to electronic record-keeping in 2001.

Photostat of Susan Nordyke's 1961 Hawaii birth certificate (Courtesy Honolulu Advertiser)

The statement to WND by Janice Okubo, public information officer for state's health department, contradicted CNN U.S. President Jon Klein, who ordered host Lou Dobbs to quit discussing Obama's birth certificate on the air. Klein insisted the issue was “dead” because Obama's original long-form birth certificate had been destroyed by the Hawaii DOH in the conversion to electronic files.

A close examination of the birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani to the Nordyke twins shows the registration number precedes the number given Obama, even though the future president was born a day earlier.

Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

According to a version of Obama's purported short-form certificate available from FactCheck.org, Obama was given a higher registration number than the Nordyke twins. The online image indicates the number is No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

The middle figure in Obama's purported registration also is different than the Nordykes'. Obama's is 1961, indicating the year, while the Nordykes' is merely 61.

One explanation for the out-of-order serial numbers might be that several serialized stacks of birth certificates were made available at different hospitals.

Another possibility is that Obama's number is not a genuine registration number created in 1961 but was issued when the short-form document was generated during the 2008 presidential campaign.

Eleanor Nordyke told WND she thinks her twins got lower numbers because she went into the hospital Aug. 4, 1961, and was in labor for 20 hours before she delivered. She speculates that Ann Dunham came in after her and was given a later number, even though Dunham's baby was born earlier. Nordyke's twins were not born until the afternoon of the next day.

WND was unable to receive a response from Hawaii officials regarding the state's procedure for issuing registration numbers.
then read this…..Editors Note: In December ‘08 a retired CIA officer commissioned an investigator to look into the Barack Obama birth certificate and eligibility issue. On July 21, 2009 westernjournalism.com obtained a copy of the investigator’s report. Here is an unedited version of the report.

June 10, 2009 Report, updated July 18, 2009

The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii

I think that I now understand the legal background to the question of where Obama was born.

Let’s begin with the statement that Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health released on October 31, 2008. The television and print media used this statement as a reason to prevent and treat with contempt any investigation into whether Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii. But the language of the statement was so carefully hedged and guarded that it should have had the opposite effect.

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

It is understandable that after such an apparently definitive statement most news outlets, whether conservative or liberal, would accept this as sufficient grounds to relegate the controversy to the status of a fringe phenomenon. Unless they happened to take the trouble to look into the “state policies and procedures” as laid down by the relevant statutes. If they had done so, they would have seen that Dr. Fukino’s press release was carefully hedged and “lawyered” and practically worthless. But the media in general should not be faulted. The statement seems to roll out with such bureaucratic certainty and final authority. I believed it to be significant until a Honolulu attorney mailed me the relevant statutes. I was so surprised that I laughed out loud.

Here is a summary of Hawaii’s “state policies and procedures” in 1961.

In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record. They varied greatly in their reliability as evidence. For convenience, I’ll call them BC1, BC2, BC3, and BC4.

BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

Actual long form Certificate of Live Birth similar to one Obama refuses to release

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9) I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver’s license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver’s license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the ‘60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.” The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

[In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama’s grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country.]

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

Certification of Live Birth, released by Obama

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.” In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.” So it is even possible that the birth certificate referred to by Dr Fukino is of the kind specified in Act 182. This possibility cannot be dismissed because such a certificate certainly satisfies Dr Fukino’s statement that “I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” If this is the case, Dr Fukino would have perpetrated so unusually disgusting a deception that I find it practically incredible (and I greatly doubt that anyone could be that shameless). On the other hand, if the original birth certificate is of types 2, 3, or 4, Dr Fukino’s statement would be only somewhat less deceptive and verbally tricky. I only bring up this possibility to show how cleverly hedged and “lawyered” and basically worthless Dr Fukino’s statement is.

Sections 57-8, 9, 18, 19, 20 & 40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act explain why Barack Obama has refused to release the original vault birth certificate. If the original certificate were the standard BC1 type of birth certificate, he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end. But if the original certificate is of the other kinds, then Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate. For if he did, then the tape recording of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother asserting that she was present at his birth in Kenya becomes far more important. As does the Kenyan ambassador’s assertion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, as well as the sealing of all government and hospital records relevant to Obama by the Kenyan government. And the fact that though there are many witnesses to Ann Dunham’s presence on Oahu from Sept 1960 to Feb 1961, there are no witnesses to her being on Oahu from March 1961 to August 1962 when she returned from Seattle and the University of Washington. No Hawaiian physicians, nurses, or midwives have come forward with any recollection of Barack Obama’s birth.

The fact that Obama refuses to release the vault birth certificate that would instantly clear up this matter almost certainly indicates that the vault birth certificate is probably a BC2 or possibly a BC3.

It is almost certainly a BC 3 or even a BC 4 if the “Certification of Live Birth” posted on the Daily Kos blog and the fightthesmears.com website by the Obama campaign is a forgery. Ron Polarik has made what several experts claim to be a cogent case that it is a forgery. There have been a couple of attempts to refute his argument and Polarik has replied to the most extensive of them. I do not claim expertise in this area, but I think it would be best for journalists and politicians to familiarize themselves with the arguments on both sides before they casually dismiss Polarik’s position without taking the trouble to understand it.

Here are 2 of Polarik’s websites: http://bogusbirthcertificate.blogspot.com/

http://bogusbithcertificate.blogspot.com/

Because the disputants know far more about this subject than I do, I am an agnostic about Polarik’s argument. However, the likelihood that this computer-generated “Certification of Live Birth” was forged, is, I believe, increased by the fact that it has been pretty clearly established that Obama “either didn’t register for the draft or did so belatedly and fraudulently. The documents indicate that it’s one or the other.” http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/004431p… The forgery of Obama’s selective service registration was necessary, because according to Federal law, “A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. This applies only to men born after December 31, 1959.” http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft2.htm)

It is also very strange that Dr Fukino’s statement in no way attested to (or even addressed the issue of) the authenticity of the “Certification of Live Birth” (and the information that appears on it) that the Daily Kos blog and the Obama campaign posted on line. Dr Fukino merely stated that “I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

If there is no hospital or physician record in the vault birth certificate, then he wasn’t born in a hospital in Hawaii. And a home birth or non-hospital birth can then be ruled out for the following reason.

When someone has a home birth or is not born in a hospital, this becomes a part of his family’s lore and is now and again spoken of by his parents. He and his siblings grow up knowing that he was born at home or his uncle’s house, etc. The fact that someone in the campaign told a Washington Post reporter that he was born in Kapioliani hospital and his sister said he was born at Queens hospital indicates that there was not and is not any Obama/Dunham family memory of a home birth or non-hospital birth in Hawaii.

And if there is no hospital record in the original vault birth certificate, then he was not born in a hospital in Hawaii.

Instead of the birth certificate on file at the Hawaii Dept of Health, the Obama campaign posted on the Daily Kos blog and the Fightthesmears website a “Certification of Live Birth”. The Certification of Live Birth is not a copy of the original birth certificate. It is a computer-generated document that the state of Hawaii issues on request to indicate that a birth certificate of some type is “on record in accordance with state policies and procedures”. And there is the problem. Given the statutes in force in 1961, the Certification of Live Birth proves nothing unless we know what is on the original birth certificate. There are several legal areas (involving ethnic quotas and subsidy) for which the state of Hawaii up until June 2009 did not accept its computer-generated Certification of Live Birth as sufficient proof of birth in Hawaii or parentage. Why should the citizens of the United States be content with lower standards for ascertaining the qualifications of their President?

If you combine an awareness of what the Certification of Live Birth posted on the internet really is with 1) a knowledge of the relevant statutes in 1961 and 2) Obama’s stubborn refusal to permit the release of the real birth certificate and his determination to fight any legal actions that would compel him to do so, it becomes clear that there is no logical explanation for Obama’s refusal without taking into consideration the relevant statutes. Then his behavior becomes clear. The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii is the missing piece of the puzzle.

Most people think of a birth certificate as a statement by a hospital or midwife with a footprint, etc. (That may be why some main-stream journalists have straight out lied about this. Jonathan Alter, senior editor at Newsweek magazine, for example, told Keith Olbermann on MSNBC on Feb 20, 2009 that “They [the Republicans] are a party that is out of ideas so they have to resort to these lies about the fact that he’s not a citizen. This came up during the campaign, Keith. The Obama campaign actually posted his birth certificate from a Hawaii hospital online.” But it is Alter who resorted to lying to the American people on television. “The Obama campaign” never “actually posted his birth certificate from a Hawaii hospital online.” On July 17, 2009 CNN’s Kitty Pilgrim lied when she stated that the Obama campaign had produced “the original birth certificate” on the internet and that FactCheck.org had examined the original birth certificate; whether it was forged or not, the Certification of Live Birth that was posted by the campaign and FactCheck.org is not, and by definition, cannot be the original birth certificate or a copy of the original birth certificate. There were no computer generated Certifications of Live Birth in 1961, the year Obama was born. Obama’s original birth certificate (whether it was filed in 1961 or later) was a very different document from the Certification of Live Birth on FactCheck.org. On the FactCheck.org web site, the claim is made that “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.” So FactCheck.org is lying about this as well.

FactCheck.org gets its prestige from a reputation for objectivity. Why would those who run this site choose to tell so obvious a lie and so endanger the site’s reputation? The answer is in the date of the posting, August 21, 2008. It was in mid-August that questions about the Certification of Live Birth began to reach a critical mass and threaten to enter the public discourse. The mostly pro-Obama television and newspaper/magazine media had to be given an excuse and cover for their collective decision to dismiss or ignore the substantial questions about whether Obama met the qualifications for the office set forth in Article II section I of the Constitution. And those reporters and editors who were not in the tank for Obama had to be deceived. After Labor Day the swing voters would begin to pay attention to the Presidential campaign. The truth had to be killed. And with its lie about “how it examined and photographed the original birth certificate“, FactCheck.org killed it.)

Most people would not consider a mailed-in form by one of his parents (who could have been out of the country or whose signature could have been forged by a grandparent) or a sworn statement by one of his grandparents or by his mother or even a sworn statement by himself many years later to be sufficient evidence (when set next to the statements by his maternal grandmother and the Kenyan ambassador that he was born in another country). Unless the American people are shown the original birth certificate, all of these are possibilities. And if Obama refuses to allow the state of Hawaii to release the original birth certificate, it begins to look like he was not born in a Hawaii hospital or at home with the assistance of a doctor or midwife. A reasonable person would acknowledge that there are serious reasons to doubt that Barack Obama was born in the United States. This is especially true because, if Obama was born in a foreign country, his family had a compelling reason to lie about it.

In 1961 if a 17 year old American girl gave birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen, that child had no right to any American citizenship, let alone the “natural born” citizenship that qualifies someone for the Presidency under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

In 1961, the year that Barack Obama was born, under Sec. 301 (a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Ann Dunham could not transmit citizenship of any kind to Barack Obama.

“ 7 FAM 1133.2-2 Original Provisions and Amendments to Section 301

(CT:CON-204; 11-01-2007)

“a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in 1952, section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The ten-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period.

“As originally enacted, section 301(a)(7) stated: Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements of this paragraph.”

The Immigration and Nationality Corrections Act (Public Law 103-416) on October 25, 1994 revised this law to accommodate “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years”.

But in 1961, if Barack Obama had been born outside of the country, the Dunham family had no way of knowing that in 1994 Congress would pass a law that would retroactively make him a citizen. At that time, the only way to get citizenship for him would be to take advantage of one of the loopholes in the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act.

People can debate the meaning of the term “natural-born citizen” as long as they like but this is clear: If, in 1961, 17 year old Ann Dunham gave birth to a child on foreign soil whose father was not an American citizen, then the Immigration and Nationality Act at that time denied Barack Obama any right to American citizenship of any kind. Therefore if at the time of his birth Obama was ineligible for American citizenship of any kind, then he cannot be a “natural-born citizen”. This is true even if the Immigration and Nationality Act was changed 33 years after he was born. Even if the law was retroactively changed to grant citizenship (but not “natural-born” citizenship) to some of those who had at birth been denied it. If a person is not at the time of his birth an American citizen, he cannot be a natural-born citizen. Therefore, that person is ineligible under Article II, Section1 for the Office of President of the United States.

It is only by examining the 18th century usage and definition of a term that we can ascertain its meaning in the Constitution. In the 18th century, and at the time of the framing and ratification of the Constitution by the states, the term “natural-born” subject or citizen was always used or defined in such a way as to exclude the child of a British or American girl or woman when that child was born in a foreign country and that child’s father was a foreign citizen. No 18th century jurist would have thought the term “natural-born” citizen or subject could have been extended to the child of a British or American girl or woman when that child was born in a foreign country and that child’s father was a foreign citizen.

Here is Blackstone’s classic exposition in 1765 of the legal meaning of the term from the Commentaries on the Laws of England.

William Blackstone, Commentaries 1:354, 357–58, 361–62

1765

“Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England, that is, within the ligeance, or as it is generally called, the allegiance of the king; and aliens, such as are born out of it.. . .

“When I say, that an alien is one who is born out of the king’s dominions, or allegiance, this also must be understood with some restrictions. The common law indeed stood absolutely so; with only a very few exceptions: so that a particular act of parliament became necessary after the restoration, for the naturalization of children of his majesty’s English subjects, born in foreign countries during the late troubles. And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once. Yet the children of the king’s embassadors born abroad were always held to be natural subjects: for as the father, though in a foreign country, owes not even a local allegiance to the prince to whom he is sent; so, with regard to the son also, he was held (by a kind of postliminium) to be born under the king of England’s allegiance, represented by his father, the embassador. To encourage also foreign commerce, it was enacted by statute 25 Edw. III. st. 2. that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king,…might inherit as if born in England: and accordingly it hath been so adjudged in behalf of merchants. But by several more modern statutes these restrictions are still farther taken off: so that all children, born out of the king’s ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception; unless their said fathers were attainted, or banished beyond sea, for high treason; or were then in the service of a prince at enmity with Great Britain.” [The italics are Blackstone's]

The irresponsible confirmation in the Senate of the irresponsible tallying of votes in the Electoral College does not supersede the clear meaning of Article II, Section 1. If it is allowed to stand, disregard of the Constitution by all branches of the government would be openly established. To all who believe that the Constitution is the government’s basic law, that the Constitution is the only instrument that gives the enactments of Congress and the commands of the Executive validity, it will be clear that the rule of law in the United States is a fiction.

Journalists and politicians complain that we must avoid a Constitutional crisis, but there already is a Constitutional crisis. It has been caused by Obama’s refusal to take the simple step to clear the matter up. The power of the Executive branch has been compromised. Its right to collect taxes and sign Congressional enactments into law, in fact all of its powers, have become problematic. Since their validity under Section I is now doubtful, they depend on the illegal exercise of force. Since officers of the American military take their oath on commissioning to the Constitution and not the President, their obedience to the Commander-in-Chief has lapsed and, if they challenge or resist his authority, any courts-martial will also be an illegal exercise of force. The only way out of the present Constitutional crisis is for Obama to do as McCain did when he was confronted by far less pressing doubts about the circumstances of his birth. He must disclose his vault birth certificate. Since the document has been so suspiciously withheld for so long, it should be subjected to rigorous forensic tests. Then whatever is on it should be judicially assessed together with the claims that have been made that Barack Obama was born on foreign soil.

It should be added that “Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July.

“The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies.

“During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation.

“Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to ‘cauterize’ the records of potentially embarrassing information.

“ ‘They looked at the McCain and Clinton files as well to create confusion,’ one knowledgeable source told Newsmax. ‘But this was basically an attempt to cauterize the Obama file.’

“At the time of the breach, Brennan was working as an unpaid adviser to the Obama campaign.

” ‘This individual’s actions were taken without the knowledge or direction of anyone at The Analysis Corp. and are wholly inconsistent with our professional and ethical standards,’ Brennan’s company said in a statement sent to reporters after the passport breach was made public.

“The passport files include ‘personally identifiable information such as the applicant’s name, gender, social security number, date and place of birth, and passport number,’ according to the inspector general report.

“The files may contain additional information including ‘original copies of the associated documents,’ the report added. Such documents include birth certificates, naturalization certificates, or oaths of allegiance for U.S.-born persons who adopted the citizenship of a foreign country as minors.”

“The State Department Office of Inspector General (OIG) issued a 104-page report on the breach last July. Although it is stamped ‘Sensitive but Unclassified,’ the report was heavily redacted in the version released to the public, with page after page blacked out entirely.”

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/brennan_passpo…

The following may be relevant:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/19…

Key witness in passport fraud case fatally shot

Saturday, April 19, 2008

“A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church, the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday.

“Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car, in front of the Judah House Praise Baptist Church in Northeast, said Cmdr. Michael Anzallo, head of the department’s Criminal Investigations Division.

“Cmdr. Anzallo said a police officer was patrolling the neighborhood when gunshots were heard, then Lt. Harris was found dead inside the vehicle, which investigators would describe only as a blue car.

“Emergency medics pronounced him dead at the scene.

“City police said they do not know whether his death was a direct result of his cooperation with federal investigators.

“We don’t have any information right now that connects his murder to that case,” Cmdr. Anzallo said.

“Police say a “shot spotter” device helped an officer locate Lt. Harris.

“A State Department spokeswoman yesterday declined to comment, saying the investigation into the passport fraud is ongoing.

“The Washington Times reported April 5 that contractors for the State Department had improperly accessed passport information for presidential candidates Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain, which resulted in a series of firings that reached into the agency’s top ranks.

“One agency employee, who was not identified in documents filed in U.S. District Court, was implicated in a credit-card fraud scheme after Lt. Harris told federal authorities he obtained “passport information from a co-conspirator who works for the U.S. Department of State.” “

There is a possibility that the breaches of the passport files associated with the “credit-card fraud scheme” were a cover for or associated with the breaches of the passport files by the employee of Brennan’s Analysis Corp. This certainly at least should be looked into.

July 11th Addendum to Report

1. Until June 2009, the reasonable doubts about where Obama was born could have quickly and finally been resolved if he had authorized the release by the Hawaiian Dept of Health of his original birth certificate or else applied for it himself and released it to the media. But as these doubts have increased and reached the point where they are no longer a “fringe” phenomenon, the Hawaiian state govt has recently taken certain steps that would create procedural and possibly legal barriers to a resolution of the controversy. Given the slipperiness that characterized the statements of Chiyome Fukino, the Dept’s Director, and Janice Okubo, the Dept’s spokesperson, to the media on this issue, it is, I think, also reasonable to regard these steps with suspicion.

A family that I am acquainted with has a child who was born in Hawaii 6 months ago. They filled out and mailed in a form to the Dept of Health, as did their doctor. In return the Dept sent them in the first week of June, 2009, the same abbreviated computer-generated form that last year on the Daily Kos and subsequently on the Obama campaign web site was called a “Certification of Live Birth”. The form that this family received this year is identical in format to the Certification of Live Birth on the Daily Kos web site with one exception: the title at the top of the form.

On June 12, 2008 the title for this abbreviated form was Certification of Live Birth. The title for the form that this family received in the first week of June 2009 is Certificate of Live Birth. I called The Dept of Health and confirmed that the title of the form had been changed. The bureaucrat that I spoke to said the change had been made “recently”, but could not or would not tell me when. Sometime between June 12, 2008 and the first week of June 2009 the Hawaiian Dept of Health changed the title of this abbreviated form from “Certification of Live Birth” to “Certificate of Live Birth“. Why?

The use of the word “Certificate” rather than “Certification” makes the form feel somewhat more like a traditional birth certificate than the “Certification of Live Birth” that the Daily Kos website and subsequently the Obama campaign posted on the Internet even though, like the “Certification“, it also lacks any information about the hospital, doctor, or midwife. There is no footprint etc. This renaming of the document will be very convenient for the Hawaiian Dept of Health in future stonewalling should any legal pressure be brought against them to produce Obama’s “Certificate of Live Birth”. Instead of producing the original “Certificate of Live Birth”, they will produce the abbreviated “Certification of Live Birth” form that the Dept of Health has now renamed a “Certificate of Live Birth” and claim that they are doing so “in accordance with state policies and procedures” in the words of the Dept’s Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.

But whether it is called (as it was last year) a Certification or (as it is now) a Certificate of Live Birth this abbreviated document provides none of the probative information that was or wasn’t on Barack Obama’s original Certificate of Live Birth. Unlike the Certificate of Live Birth of the time when Barack Obama was born, this new Certificate of Live Birth provides no real evidence of where a child was born or indication of where such evidence might be found. It provides no information that would demonstrate to the people of the United States whether there is convincing evidence that he was actually born here or whether a relative or two (or possibly even Barack Obama himself) just made a statement to that effect to a low level bureaucrat. (As is permitted under Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii.)

2. On June 7, 2009, a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health told a rather obvious lie (or engaged in a pretty transparent verbal deception) in another attempt to discourage further investigation into the issue of whether Barack Obama was born on Oahu. “The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past”, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. “The department only issues ‘certifications’ of live births, and that is the ‘official birth certificate’ issued by the state of Hawaii, she said. ” [Honolulu Star Bulletin] http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualin…

This statement was false or deliberately very misleading. Here, from a Hawaii state document that was posted on June 10, 2009, is a description of how to apply for “the original Certificate of Live Birth” (the original birth certificate) as opposed to the Certification of Live Birth:

“In order to process your application [to prove native Hawaiian ancestry], DHHL [Department of Hawaiian Homelands] utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

“Please note that DOH [Department of Health] no longer offers same day service. If you plan on picking up your certified DOH document(s), you should allow at least 10 working days for DOH to process your request(s), OR four to six weeks if you want your certified certificate(s) mailed to you.”

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

Ms. Okubo’s statement gave the false impression that Obama could not gain access to or release “the original Certificate of Live Birth”, and that it was the DOH’s policy rather than his own reluctance that was responsible for the holding back of this Certificate. This was an obvious deception. The document at the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website indicates that at the time she made this statement it was false, and that a procedure was in place for application for “the original Certificate of Live Birth.”

Only the information on the original birth certificate, “the original Certificate of Live Birth”, can demonstrate to the people of the United States whether there is convincing evidence that he was actually born here or whether a relative or two (or possibly even Barack Obama himself) just made a statement to that effect to a low level bureaucrat.

3. On July 8, 2009 the web site World Net Daily reported that “The state, which had excluded the controversial document [the Certification of Live Birth] as proof of native Hawaiian status, has changed its policy and now makes a point of including it.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Here is the new statement on the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands web site [July 8, 2009]. “The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth [original birth certificates and the recently renamed abbreviated computer printouts] and Certifications of Live Birth [as the abbreviated computer printouts were up till recently called] because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth… Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

The web site theobamafile.com picked up this significant change in procedure on the Dept of Hawaiian Homelands website on June 18, 2009. http://www.theobamafile.com/_BogusPOTUS/2009060…

Sometime between June 10, 2009 and June 18, 2009 the State of Hawaii changed its rule on what documents and data were necessary to prove Hawaiian ancestry, thereby upgrading the apparent status of the abbreviated Certification of Live Birth which it had formerly regarded as insufficiently probative. Why?

4. On June 6, Janice Okubo, the Dept of Health spokeswoman, also told the Star Bulletin that “The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests.” There is a troubling ambiguity in this statement. A sophisticated forensic investigation would probably be able to determine whether the original paper Certificate of Live Birth was forged, altered, or authentic. But if the data from the original paper Certificates of Live Birth has been transferred to an electronic record and then the original documents were discarded, part of the data could easily have been changed in the transfer or subsequently altered. We know from a document posted on June 10, 2009 on the Department of Hawaiian Homelands website that up until very recently, the original paper Certificates of Live Birth were maintained by the Dept of Health, and copies of them were provided to confirm claims of Hawaiian ancestry. But if in June the Department of Hawaiian Homelands has decided that it will no longer require the original Certificate of Live Birth as proof for special privileges and the Department of Health spokesman says firmly that they will no longer provide copies of these original certificates, is it possible that, in the midst of the controversy over where Barack Obama was born, the Hawaiian state govt has destroyed the original paper certificate of live birth? This seems almost incredible to me, but the authorities have been so deceptive and evasive on this issue, that it cannot be dismissed as impossible.
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karismith
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

You will find no valid birth certificate for Obama, he was born in the wild from a jackal, and yes I believe he is the anti-christ or at least the redecessor. I think someone should search his head to see if the # 666 is hidden under his hair. Are you all stupid this man hates America, hates religion, loves abortions because it allows legal killing of Americans! He is evil, wake up America, how blind can you be?


tabascoman77
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Blah, blah, blah…

More verbal diarreah from WND, the place whose main headline is “Islamic Anti-Christ” and has partners selling shirts that say, “I WOULD RATHER BE WATERBOARDING.”

Do something for me, dumbass. Come forward with a regular media source, not this garbage.

Oh, and your “Canada Free Press” link is ALSO more conservative blather calling Obama a “Marxist”.

Liar. You're a Right-Winged Birther.

*Yawn*…


drlove999
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

Your such a sad sack of shit ur not worth replying to u dumbass asshole…


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

Stop panicking. Whether you consider him evil or saintly, wrong or right, he is still a human being who cannot serve longer that 8 years in office.

You will survive. You may actually be better off. Just wait and see.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

no no no! You are not a true birther to be saying that. He is not a jackal!

He is a humoniod space alien, one of the lizard people that have ruled this planet for centuries from their underground bases!

I have proof!

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/exposing_reptili…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:33 am

How did the Obama family (I guess the Dunham family, come to think of it) manage to infiltrate the vital statistics in order to get his birth in the papers so soon after his birth? Vital statistics are printed in virtually every US newspaper (mine does it on Tuesday for births, and Friday, I think, for deaths, which is different than obituaries.). They are not paid ads, they are submitted by the local office for that (ie, registrar of births, etc.)

At the time of President Obama’s birth, his mom would have had to travel to the nearest airport to his birth (supposedly in Kenya), but somewhere in Africa, board an airplane that would connect to somewhere in Europe, than fly transatlantic to the US, across the US, and to Hawaii, in order to make it there in time to be present by the time of the list included in the paper, and also have an address in Honolulu. Not physically possible. Took something like 40 hours, even with perfect connections. And no woman is going to do that within 24 hours of birth. And no airline would accept a less than 2 day old infant as a passenger. Besides, where did this family get the HUGE amount of money it would have cost?

The “conspiracy” sinks of its own weight.

Pr chris


smrstrauss
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:56 am

Some newspaper or newsagency with a correspondent or stringer in Kenya could perform a public service by simply checking whether Kenya charged 7s6d (seven shillings and six pence) for a certified copy of a birth certificate in 1964. That is what the latest alleged birth certificate from Kenya says that it cost.

It is most unlikely that it cost that sum. That sum was actually the same sum used on an Australian birth certificate that apparently was used as the model on which this document was allegedly created. Still, simply showing that a 1964 certified Kenyan birth certificate cost some sum other than 7s6d would put the nail in the latest fraud very simply, without speculation about Kenay being a Republic or a Dominion in February 1964.

Just a simple check of the cost of a certified birth certificate in Kenya in 1964.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:49 am

again, what are you talking about? He’s produced his. It’s been verified by journalists, who have posted pictures and accounts of it. He can’t personally mail it to you, or everyone who asks. What more do you need? What don’t you understand about his BC?


birdsarewild
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Pull out a book and look it up.  You might find different things in material that was printed before the internet was available..

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shaicohen
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:01 am

1. mulatto is a racist term calling iced heritage children a donkey. i find it very sad that you would say that about your own children. I say that as a biracial woman married to a russian and greek jew with 2 beautiful biracial kids. Your wife should be ashamed of u.

2. if DOB is 61 then explain y a certificate from 3 years later is more truthful than a birth announcement within a week of his birth? Obama wasnt even in Kenya when he was 3.

3. you are arguing about the citizenship of someone with an american born mother born in american, by your logic you kids are not american citizens. Perhaps we should move to have them deported back to brazil.

I will pray for you. Mental illness is a serious thing. andi hear stupidity is contagious.


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:12 am

Angela: What would President Obama have to do to produce a birth certificate that would be acceptable to you? The State of Hawaii through its officials, that there is only one form that can be requested: The certificate of live birth. There is no long form or short form. There is just one form.

So, what would YOU need to acknowledge that President Obama was born in Hawaii. And if you say, “nothing”, well, then, we know your true agenda, don't we?

Pr Chris


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:15 am

ChristineAnn:

What would YOU accept as proof of President Obama's birth in Hawaii? The State of Hawaii has said that everyone who requests a copy of their birth certificate gets a printed version of the electronic information in their data base. There IS NO OTHER form that can be provided.

So, again, what would YOU require to be convinced that President Obama was born in Hawaii?

Nothing? Well, we know your agenda, then, don't we?

Pr Chris


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Drlove:

You said: If u were born in 1969, the bureau of vital statistics would have more complete information on u either on a typewritten form or possibly computer form, but in either respect, they would have the ORIGINAL!!!…

Except when the State of Hawaii has decided to convert their records to electronic form, and sets its systems up so that anyone who requests a copy of their birth certificate gets a certified copy, with the seal of the State of Hawaii, and attestation by the head of the appropriate Health Department office. When anyone requests their birth certificate, this is what they get. There is no “long form” “short form” or anything else other than this form. Now, as a courtesy, the officials have gone into sealed archives and compared the data in the archives and compared it with the data in the electronic data base. They have put their own reputations on the line to go this far, because state law prohibits releasing this information. And this law dates from LONG before last year's election. But that's not good enough? Tough.

The electronic data base complies with what is required by the US State Department to issue a passport, and thus provides all necessary information. (You might check out the State Department's form to request a passport. You'll see what information is required– and what is not.)

Do you really think that in a campaign against Hillary Clinton, nobody thought to check this out? Surely this would have been an immediate campaign stopper, don't you think?

And, by the way, have you seen Senator John McCain's birth certificate? President George W Bush's? How about VP Cheney…since he was just a heartbeat from the Presidency. Or, Joe Biden's for that matter…you see, no one else has had to produce theirs. We've taken what they have put down as their place of birth. So, why do you not accept the statement of President Obama that he was born in Honolulu? If not, why not? Does it perhaps have to do with his name? The color of his hair…all those curls? or…?

What would convince you that he has proved that his birth was in Hawaii? And if you say, NOTHING….well, 'nuff said.

Pr Chris


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:45 am

drlove:

Can you put together any statement that doesn't require name calling and cursing? Name calling and cursing do not substitute for facts and logic. Sorry. Believing all that hot air must have taken you a LONG time, because you had to “forget” all the normal assumptions of American discourse.

How about taking all that stuff in your 300 line (or so) post, and put it into a straightforward statment of your “facts” with citations with proper sentence structure and spelling, and without the name calling.

A thought. When fringe elements of the Democratic party tried to call Senator McCain's birthplace, and therefore his qualifications for the Presidency, into question, the Democratic party immediately took steps to quash the issue. (You even cited this resolution in YOUR post.) And the issue had merit to it, because he was not only born overseas of a military officer father, which does not disqualify him, BUT the hospital in which he was born was NOT a part of the military base, but WAS off base, and therefore IS a question which is NOT settled case law. When the fringe of the Republican party (at least–that's where it started; it has now become a major assumption of the losing Republican party) started a similar issue, regarding President Obama, the Republicans have been stoking it ever since. Really shows which party is the party of the grown-ups and which party is the party of spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum, doesn't it?

So, again. See if you can:

State clearly, with proper grammar and spelling, AND WITH HAWAII STATE CONSTITUTION, and State Department passport regulations, your grounds for your beliefs.

State your beliefs WITHOUT cursing, and name calling.

I don't think you can

Pr Chris
CDR, US Navy, Ret


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 4:59 am

drlove:

Let's see now: The word “u” is actually spelled YOU. The word “ur” is actually spelled YOUR. “cant' has an apostrophe (that's that little hook I used in the word “that's” at the beginning of this aside), and is spelled “can't”. There's no such word as “soo”…it is usually the way one begins to spell the words used in pig calling. Most people capitalize the word “i”, unless, perhaps they have inadequacy issues… “drivers” also should have an apostrophe in it, as you have used the possessive. Proper names are capitalized (Obama, Hawaii, Krypton, Jor-el and Lara, for a start). “what i have just wrote is…” should properly be “what I have just written is…” what does “BTY” mean?

We HAVE the facts, and we accept the word of the Governor of Hawaii (a Republican) and the Secretary of the Hawaiian Department of Health, which affirms the validity of President Obama's brith certificate. (“President Obama really ticks you off, doesn't it???? That's the bottom line, isn't it. I suspect that, given I suspect you are a white male, you are really having a problem with the fact that we elected a man who is not a WASP. Right? That is called R A C I S T. Ask Rush about that; he thinks he's really good at identifying “those people” but he's really showing his own colors…and your's sir.)

And what is the last word in your post mean? Please explain. Not in my dictionary. Not a word my parents taught me to say. I was raised to express myself with accuracy and politeness, obviously a strange concept to you.

Pr Chris


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:05 am

Cite your sources for ANY of your statements. It is not Joe who is lying, it is you. Are you so lacking in ANY self worth that your whole life depends on President Obama being unqualified to serve?

As ot number 1, above, the fact that President Obama HAS traveled to other countries as an adult indicates he has a US Passport. So, I guess that shoots down your theory doesn't it? What information on the “Application for US Passport” is missing from the information shown on the Obama birth certificate posted on the web. Give me block number that could not be filled in with just the information on the Hawaiian birth certificate. As a Navy Officer who has carried a US Passport for more than 40 years, I can tell you there is NO information required that is not present. Go ahead, cite the block….

Pr Chris


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:09 am

Really? I wasn’t aware that anyone had seen it. Tell me where I can verify that and I will be the first to apologise.


drlove999
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:21 am

Chris, i can do exactly as u request, but it is a very detailed amount of work u are asking me to do…Personally, if these obot people here expressed themselves as clear and fair-minded as u have, I would have already done it…Honestly, everything i have printed here is available to anyone who will do his or her own research…As mulder used to say, “the truth is out there”!!!…below is the best editorial i could find to answr ur question…Hope this helps…Incidentally, thanks for being a gentleman if u disagree with me….Editors Note: In December ‘08 a retired CIA officer commissioned an investigator to look into the Barack Obama birth certificate and eligibility issue. On July 21, 2009 westernjournalism.com obtained a copy of the investigator’s report. Here is an unedited version of the report.

June 10, 2009 Report, updated July 18, 2009

The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii

I think that I now understand the legal background to the question of where Obama was born.

Let’s begin with the statement that Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health released on October 31, 2008. The television and print media used this statement as a reason to prevent and treat with contempt any investigation into whether Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii. But the language of the statement was so carefully hedged and guarded that it should have had the opposite effect.

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

It is understandable that after such an apparently definitive statement most news outlets, whether conservative or liberal, would accept this as sufficient grounds to relegate the controversy to the status of a fringe phenomenon. Unless they happened to take the trouble to look into the “state policies and procedures” as laid down by the relevant statutes. If they had done so, they would have seen that Dr. Fukino’s press release was carefully hedged and “lawyered” and practically worthless. But the media in general should not be faulted. The statement seems to roll out with such bureaucratic certainty and final authority. I believed it to be significant until a Honolulu attorney mailed me the relevant statutes. I was so surprised that I laughed out loud.

Here is a summary of Hawaii’s “state policies and procedures” in 1961.

In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record. They varied greatly in their reliability as evidence. For convenience, I’ll call them BC1, BC2, BC3, and BC4.

BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

Actual long form Certificate of Live Birth similar to one Obama refuses to release

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9) I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver’s license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver’s license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the ‘60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.” The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

[In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama’s grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country.]

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

Certification of Live Birth, released by Obama

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.” In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.” So it is even possible that the birth certificate referred to by Dr Fukino is of the kind specified in Act 182. This possibility cannot be dismissed because such a certificate certainly satisfies Dr Fukino’s statement that “I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” If this is the case, Dr Fukino would have perpetrated so unusually disgusting a deception that I find it practically incredible (and I greatly doubt that anyone could be that shameless). On the other hand, if the original birth certificate is of types 2, 3, or 4, Dr Fukino’s statement would be only somewhat less deceptive and verbally tricky. I only bring up this possibility to show how cleverly hedged and “lawyered” and basically worthless Dr Fukino’s statement is.

Sections 57-8, 9, 18, 19, 20 & 40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act explain why Barack Obama has refused to release the original vault birth certificate. If the original certificate were the standard BC1 type of birth certificate, he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end. But if the original certificate is of the other kinds, then Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate. For if he did, then the tape recording of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother asserting that she was present at his birth in Kenya becomes far more important. As does the Kenyan ambassador’s assertion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, as well as the sealing of all government and hospital records relevant to Obama by the Kenyan government. And the fact that though there are many witnesses to Ann Dunham’s presence on Oahu from Sept 1960 to Feb 1961, there are no witnesses to her being on Oahu from March 1961 to August 1962 when she returned from Seattle and the University of Washington. No Hawaiian physicians, nurses, or midwives have come forward with any recollection of Barack Obama’s birth.

The fact that Obama refuses to release the vault birth certificate that would instantly clear up this matter almost certainly indicates that the vault birth certificate is probably a BC2 or possibly a BC3.

It is almost certainly a BC 3 or even a BC 4 if the “Certification of Live Birth” posted on the Daily Kos blog and the fightthesmears.com website by the Obama campaign is a forgery. Ron Polarik has made what several experts claim to be a cogent case that it is a forgery. There have been a couple of attempts to refute his argument and Polarik has replied to the most extensive of them. I do not claim expertise in this area, but I think it would be best for journalists and politicians to familiarize themselves with the arguments on both sides before they casually dismiss Polarik’s position without taking the trouble to understand it.

Here are 2 of Polarik’s websites: http://bogusbirthcertificate.blogspot.com/

http://bogusbithcertificate.blogspot.com/

Because the disputants know far more about this subject than I do, I am an agnostic about Polarik’s argument. However, the likelihood that this computer-generated “Certification of Live Birth” was forged, is, I believe, increased by the fact that it has been pretty clearly established that Obama “either didn’t register for the draft or did so belatedly and fraudulently. The documents indicate that it’s one or the other.” http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/004431p… The forgery of Obama’s selective service registration was necessary, because according to Federal law, “A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. This applies only to men born after December 31, 1959.” http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft2.htm)

It is also very strange that Dr Fukino’s statement in no way attested to (or even addressed the issue of) the authenticity of the “Certification of Live Birth” (and the information that appears on it) that the Daily Kos blog and the Obama campaign posted on line. Dr Fukino merely stated that “I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

If there is no hospital or physician record in the vault birth certificate, then he wasn’t born in a hospital in Hawaii. And a home birth or non-hospital birth can then be ruled out for the following reason.

When someone has a home birth or is not born in a hospital, this becomes a part of his family’s lore and is now and again spoken of by his parents. He and his siblings grow up knowing that he was born at home or his uncle’s house, etc. The fact that someone in the campaign told a Washington Post reporter that he was born in Kapioliani hospital and his sister said he was born at Queens hospital indicates that there was not and is not any Obama/Dunham family memory of a home birth or non-hospital birth in Hawaii.

And if there is no hospital record in the original vault birth certificate, then he was not born in a hospital in Hawaii.

Instead of the birth certificate on file at the Hawaii Dept of Health, the Obama campaign posted on the Daily Kos blog and the Fightthesmears website a “Certification of Live Birth”. The Certification of Live Birth is not a copy of the original birth certificate. It is a computer-generated document that the state of Hawaii issues on request to indicate that a birth certificate of some type is “on record in accordance with state policies and procedures”. And there is the problem. Given the statutes in force in 1961, the Certification of Live Birth proves nothing unless we know what is on the original birth certificate. There are several legal areas (involving ethnic quotas and subsidy) for which the state of Hawaii up until June 2009 did not accept its computer-generated Certification of Live Birth as sufficient proof of birth in Hawaii or parentage. Why should the citizens of the United States be content with lower standards for ascertaining the qualifications of their President?

If you combine an awareness of what the Certification of Live Birth posted on the internet really is with 1) a knowledge of the relevant statutes in 1961 and 2) Obama’s stubborn refusal to permit the release of the real birth certificate and his determination to fight any legal actions that would compel him to do so, it becomes clear that there is no logical explanation for Obama’s refusal without taking into consideration the relevant statutes. Then his behavior becomes clear. The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii is the missing piece of the puzzle.

Most people think of a birth certificate as a statement by a hospital or midwife with a footprint, etc. (That may be why some main-stream journalists have straight out lied about this. Jonathan Alter, senior editor at Newsweek magazine, for example, told Keith Olbermann on MSNBC on Feb 20, 2009 that “They [the Republicans] are a party that is out of ideas so they have to resort to these lies about the fact that he’s not a citizen. This came up during the campaign, Keith. The Obama campaign actually posted his birth certificate from a Hawaii hospital online.” But it is Alter who resorted to lying to the American people on television. “The Obama campaign” never “actually posted his birth certificate from a Hawaii hospital online.” On July 17, 2009 CNN’s Kitty Pilgrim lied when she stated that the Obama campaign had produced “the original birth certificate” on the internet and that FactCheck.org had examined the original birth certificate; whether it was forged or not, the Certification of Live Birth that was posted by the campaign and FactCheck.org is not, and by definition, cannot be the original birth certificate or a copy of the original birth certificate. There were no computer generated Certifications of Live Birth in 1961, the year Obama was born. Obama’s original birth certificate (whether it was filed in 1961 or later) was a very different document from the Certification of Live Birth on FactCheck.org. On the FactCheck.org web site, the claim is made that “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.” So FactCheck.org is lying about this as well.

FactCheck.org gets its prestige from a reputation for objectivity. Why would those who run this site choose to tell so obvious a lie and so endanger the site’s reputation? The answer is in the date of the posting, August 21, 2008. It was in mid-August that questions about the Certification of Live Birth began to reach a critical mass and threaten to enter the public discourse. The mostly pro-Obama television and newspaper/magazine media had to be given an excuse and cover for their collective decision to dismiss or ignore the substantial questions about whether Obama met the qualifications for the office set forth in Article II section I of the Constitution. And those reporters and editors who were not in the tank for Obama had to be deceived. After Labor Day the swing voters would begin to pay attention to the Presidential campaign. The truth had to be killed. And with its lie about “how it examined and photographed the original birth certificate“, FactCheck.org killed it.)

Most people would not consider a mailed-in form by one of his parents (who could have been out of the country or whose signature could have been forged by a grandparent) or a sworn statement by one of his grandparents or by his mother or even a sworn statement by himself many years later to be sufficient evidence (when set next to the statements by his maternal grandmother and the Kenyan ambassador that he was born in another country). Unless the American people are shown the original birth certificate, all of these are possibilities. And if Obama refuses to allow the state of Hawaii to release the original birth certificate, it begins to look like he was not born in a Hawaii hospital or at home with the assistance of a doctor or midwife. A reasonable person would acknowledge that there are serious reasons to doubt that Barack Obama was born in the United States. This is especially true because, if Obama was born in a foreign country, his family had a compelling reason to lie about it.

In 1961 if a 17 year old American girl gave birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen, that child had no right to any American citizenship, let alone the “natural born” citizenship that qualifies someone for the Presidency under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

In 1961, the year that Barack Obama was born, under Sec. 301 (a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Ann Dunham could not transmit citizenship of any kind to Barack Obama.

“ 7 FAM 1133.2-2 Original Provisions and Amendments to Section 301

(CT:CON-204; 11-01-2007)

“a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in 1952, section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The ten-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period.

“As originally enacted, section 301(a)(7) stated: Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements of this paragraph.”

The Immigration and Nationality Corrections Act (Public Law 103-416) on October 25, 1994 revised this law to accommodate “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years”.

But in 1961, if Barack Obama had been born outside of the country, the Dunham family had no way of knowing that in 1994 Congress would pass a law that would retroactively make him a citizen. At that time, the only way to get citizenship for him would be to take advantage of one of the loopholes in the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act.

People can debate the meaning of the term “natural-born citizen” as long as they like but this is clear: If, in 1961, 17 year old Ann Dunham gave birth to a child on foreign soil whose father was not an American citizen, then the Immigration and Nationality Act at that time denied Barack Obama any right to American citizenship of any kind. Therefore if at the time of his birth Obama was ineligible for American citizenship of any kind, then he cannot be a “natural-born citizen”. This is true even if the Immigration and Nationality Act was changed 33 years after he was born. Even if the law was retroactively changed to grant citizenship (but not “natural-born” citizenship) to some of those who had at birth been denied it. If a person is not at the time of his birth an American citizen, he cannot be a natural-born citizen. Therefore, that person is ineligible under Article II, Section1 for the Office of President of the United States.

It is only by examining the 18th century usage and definition of a term that we can ascertain its meaning in the Constitution. In the 18th century, and at the time of the framing and ratification of the Constitution by the states, the term “natural-born” subject or citizen was always used or defined in such a way as to exclude the child of a British or American girl or woman when that child was born in a foreign country and that child’s father was a foreign citizen. No 18th century jurist would have thought the term “natural-born” citizen or subject could have been extended to the child of a British or American girl or woman when that child was born in a foreign country and that child’s father was a foreign citizen.

Here is Blackstone’s classic exposition in 1765 of the legal meaning of the term from the Commentaries on the Laws of England.

William Blackstone, Commentaries 1:354, 357–58, 361–62

1765

“Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England, that is, within the ligeance, or as it is generally called, the allegiance of the king; and aliens, such as are born out of it.. . .

“When I say, that an alien is one who is born out of the king’s dominions, or allegiance, this also must be understood with some restrictions. The common law indeed stood absolutely so; with only a very few exceptions: so that a particular act of parliament became necessary after the restoration, for the naturalization of children of his majesty’s English subjects, born in foreign countries during the late troubles. And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once. Yet the children of the king’s embassadors born abroad were always held to be natural subjects: for as the father, though in a foreign country, owes not even a local allegiance to the prince to whom he is sent; so, with regard to the son also, he was held (by a kind of postliminium) to be born under the king of England’s allegiance, represented by his father, the embassador. To encourage also foreign commerce, it was enacted by statute 25 Edw. III. st. 2. that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king,…might inherit as if born in England: and accordingly it hath been so adjudged in behalf of merchants. But by several more modern statutes these restrictions are still farther taken off: so that all children, born out of the king’s ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception; unless their said fathers were attainted, or banished beyond sea, for high treason; or were then in the service of a prince at enmity with Great Britain.” [The italics are Blackstone's]

The irresponsible confirmation in the Senate of the irresponsible tallying of votes in the Electoral College does not supersede the clear meaning of Article II, Section 1. If it is allowed to stand, disregard of the Constitution by all branches of the government would be openly established. To all who believe that the Constitution is the government’s basic law, that the Constitution is the only instrument that gives the enactments of Congress and the commands of the Executive validity, it will be clear that the rule of law in the United States is a fiction.

Journalists and politicians complain that we must avoid a Constitutional crisis, but there already is a Constitutional crisis. It has been caused by Obama’s refusal to take the simple step to clear the matter up. The power of the Executive branch has been compromised. Its right to collect taxes and sign Congressional enactments into law, in fact all of its powers, have become problematic. Since their validity under Section I is now doubtful, they depend on the illegal exercise of force. Since officers of the American military take their oath on commissioning to the Constitution and not the President, their obedience to the Commander-in-Chief has lapsed and, if they challenge or resist his authority, any courts-martial will also be an illegal exercise of force. The only way out of the present Constitutional crisis is for Obama to do as McCain did when he was confronted by far less pressing doubts about the circumstances of his birth. He must disclose his vault birth certificate. Since the document has been so suspiciously withheld for so long, it should be subjected to rigorous forensic tests. Then whatever is on it should be judicially assessed together with the claims that have been made that Barack Obama was born on foreign soil.

It should be added that “Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July.

“The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies.

“During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation.

“Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to ‘cauterize’ the records of potentially embarrassing information.

“ ‘They looked at the McCain and Clinton files as well to create confusion,’ one knowledgeable source told Newsmax. ‘But this was basically an attempt to cauterize the Obama file.’

“At the time of the breach, Brennan was working as an unpaid adviser to the Obama campaign.

” ‘This individual’s actions were taken without the knowledge or direction of anyone at The Analysis Corp. and are wholly inconsistent with our professional and ethical standards,’ Brennan’s company said in a statement sent to reporters after the passport breach was made public.

“The passport files include ‘personally identifiable information such as the applicant’s name, gender, social security number, date and place of birth, and passport number,’ according to the inspector general report.

“The files may contain additional information including ‘original copies of the associated documents,’ the report added. Such documents include birth certificates, naturalization certificates, or oaths of allegiance for U.S.-born persons who adopted the citizenship of a foreign country as minors.”

“The State Department Office of Inspector General (OIG) issued a 104-page report on the breach last July. Although it is stamped ‘Sensitive but Unclassified,’ the report was heavily redacted in the version released to the public, with page after page blacked out entirely.”

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/brennan_passpo…

The following may be relevant:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/19…

Key witness in passport fraud case fatally shot

Saturday, April 19, 2008

“A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church, the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday.

“Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car, in front of the Judah House Praise Baptist Church in Northeast, said Cmdr. Michael Anzallo, head of the department’s Criminal Investigations Division.

“Cmdr. Anzallo said a police officer was patrolling the neighborhood when gunshots were heard, then Lt. Harris was found dead inside the vehicle, which investigators would describe only as a blue car.

“Emergency medics pronounced him dead at the scene.

“City police said they do not know whether his death was a direct result of his cooperation with federal investigators.

“We don’t have any information right now that connects his murder to that case,” Cmdr. Anzallo said.

“Police say a “shot spotter” device helped an officer locate Lt. Harris.

“A State Department spokeswoman yesterday declined to comment, saying the investigation into the passport fraud is ongoing.

“The Washington Times reported April 5 that contractors for the State Department had improperly accessed passport information for presidential candidates Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain, which resulted in a series of firings that reached into the agency’s top ranks.

“One agency employee, who was not identified in documents filed in U.S. District Court, was implicated in a credit-card fraud scheme after Lt. Harris told federal authorities he obtained “passport information from a co-conspirator who works for the U.S. Department of State.” “

There is a possibility that the breaches of the passport files associated with the “credit-card fraud scheme” were a cover for or associated with the breaches of the passport files by the employee of Brennan’s Analysis Corp. This certainly at least should be looked into.

July 11th Addendum to Report

1. Until June 2009, the reasonable doubts about where Obama was born could have quickly and finally been resolved if he had authorized the release by the Hawaiian Dept of Health of his original birth certificate or else applied for it himself and released it to the media. But as these doubts have increased and reached the point where they are no longer a “fringe” phenomenon, the Hawaiian state govt has recently taken certain steps that would create procedural and possibly legal barriers to a resolution of the controversy. Given the slipperiness that characterized the statements of Chiyome Fukino, the Dept’s Director, and Janice Okubo, the Dept’s spokesperson, to the media on this issue, it is, I think, also reasonable to regard these steps with suspicion.

A family that I am acquainted with has a child who was born in Hawaii 6 months ago. They filled out and mailed in a form to the Dept of Health, as did their doctor. In return the Dept sent them in the first week of June, 2009, the same abbreviated computer-generated form that last year on the Daily Kos and subsequently on the Obama campaign web site was called a “Certification of Live Birth”. The form that this family received this year is identical in format to the Certification of Live Birth on the Daily Kos web site with one exception: the title at the top of the form.

On June 12, 2008 the title for this abbreviated form was Certification of Live Birth. The title for the form that this family received in the first week of June 2009 is Certificate of Live Birth. I called The Dept of Health and confirmed that the title of the form had been changed. The bureaucrat that I spoke to said the change had been made “recently”, but could not or would not tell me when. Sometime between June 12, 2008 and the first week of June 2009 the Hawaiian Dept of Health changed the title of this abbreviated form from “Certification of Live Birth” to “Certificate of Live Birth“. Why?

The use of the word “Certificate” rather than “Certification” makes the form feel somewhat more like a traditional birth certificate than the “Certification of Live Birth” that the Daily Kos website and subsequently the Obama campaign posted on the Internet even though, like the “Certification“, it also lacks any information about the hospital, doctor, or midwife. There is no footprint etc. This renaming of the document will be very convenient for the Hawaiian Dept of Health in future stonewalling should any legal pressure be brought against them to produce Obama’s “Certificate of Live Birth”. Instead of producing the original “Certificate of Live Birth”, they will produce the abbreviated “Certification of Live Birth” form that the Dept of Health has now renamed a “Certificate of Live Birth” and claim that they are doing so “in accordance with state policies and procedures” in the words of the Dept’s Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.

But whether it is called (as it was last year) a Certification or (as it is now) a Certificate of Live Birth this abbreviated document provides none of the probative information that was or wasn’t on Barack Obama’s original Certificate of Live Birth. Unlike the Certificate of Live Birth of the time when Barack Obama was born, this new Certificate of Live Birth provides no real evidence of where a child was born or indication of where such evidence might be found. It provides no information that would demonstrate to the people of the United States whether there is convincing evidence that he was actually born here or whether a relative or two (or possibly even Barack Obama himself) just made a statement to that effect to a low level bureaucrat. (As is permitted under Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii.)

2. On June 7, 2009, a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health told a rather obvious lie (or engaged in a pretty transparent verbal deception) in another attempt to discourage further investigation into the issue of whether Barack Obama was born on Oahu. “The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past”, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. “The department only issues ‘certifications’ of live births, and that is the ‘official birth certificate’ issued by the state of Hawaii, she said. ” [Honolulu Star Bulletin] http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualin…

This statement was false or deliberately very misleading. Here, from a Hawaii state document that was posted on June 10, 2009, is a description of how to apply for “the original Certificate of Live Birth” (the original birth certificate) as opposed to the Certification of Live Birth:

“In order to process your application [to prove native Hawaiian ancestry], DHHL [Department of Hawaiian Homelands] utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

“Please note that DOH [Department of Health] no longer offers same day service. If you plan on picking up your certified DOH document(s), you should allow at least 10 working days for DOH to process your request(s), OR four to six weeks if you want your certified certificate(s) mailed to you.”

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

Ms. Okubo’s statement gave the false impression that Obama could not gain access to or release “the original Certificate of Live Birth”, and that it was the DOH’s policy rather than his own reluctance that was responsible for the holding back of this Certificate. This was an obvious deception. The document at the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website indicates that at the time she made this statement it was false, and that a procedure was in place for application for “the original Certificate of Live Birth.”

Only the information on the original birth certificate, “the original Certificate of Live Birth”, can demonstrate to the people of the United States whether there is convincing evidence that he was actually born here or whether a relative or two (or possibly even Barack Obama himself) just made a statement to that effect to a low level bureaucrat.

3. On July 8, 2009 the web site World Net Daily reported that “The state, which had excluded the controversial document [the Certification of Live Birth] as proof of native Hawaiian status, has changed its policy and now makes a point of including it.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Here is the new statement on the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands web site [July 8, 2009]. “The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth [original birth certificates and the recently renamed abbreviated computer printouts] and Certifications of Live Birth [as the abbreviated computer printouts were up till recently called] because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth… Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

The web site theobamafile.com picked up this significant change in procedure on the Dept of Hawaiian Homelands website on June 18, 2009. http://www.theobamafile.com/_BogusPOTUS/2009060…

Sometime between June 10, 2009 and June 18, 2009 the State of Hawaii changed its rule on what documents and data were necessary to prove Hawaiian ancestry, thereby upgrading the apparent status of the abbreviated Certification of Live Birth which it had formerly regarded as insufficiently probative. Why?

4. On June 6, Janice Okubo, the Dept of Health spokeswoman, also told the Star Bulletin that “The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests.” There is a troubling ambiguity in this statement. A sophisticated forensic investigation would probably be able to determine whether the original paper Certificate of Live Birth was forged, altered, or authentic. But if the data from the original paper Certificates of Live Birth has been transferred to an electronic record and then the original documents were discarded, part of the data could easily have been changed in the transfer or subsequently altered. We know from a document posted on June 10, 2009 on the Department of Hawaiian Homelands website that up until very recently, the original paper Certificates of Live Birth were maintained by the Dept of Health, and copies of them were provided to confirm claims of Hawaiian ancestry. But if in June the Department of Hawaiian Homelands has decided that it will no longer require the original Certificate of Live Birth as proof for special privileges and the Department of Health spokesman says firmly that they will no longer provide copies of these original certificates, is it possible that, in the midst of the controversy over where Barack Obama was born, the Hawaiian state govt has destroyed the original paper certificate of live birth? This seems almost incredible to me, but the authorities have been so deceptive and evasive on this issue, that it cannot be dismissed as impossible.


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:22 am

You said:

I know that the electonic form would be good enough for almost any purpose, but it is Obamas steadfast refusal to release the typewritten long form vault copy that has a portion of the population in an uproar. It says there's something to hide there

No, there is nothing to hide here. It is in accordance with the State of Hawaii's determination that they will not release copies (and by the way, it would only be a copy, since there's no way they would allow the actual typewritten copy to be taken out of the archives…so we'd be in the same place as we are now) from the archive That is Hawaii state law. If a “portion of the population” is unwilling to believe state officials who have explained the state law involved, then why should they believe ANY law. And where does it end? Should we go back and retroactively search for the ORIGINAL…not a copy…of every previous President? If not, when why in this case? If we find one, then what? Invalidate 4 or more years of our country's history. Do you think Abraham Lincoln could produce a birth certificate as a man? Many people had NO birth certificates at all. It wasn't until mid 20th century tha many blacks in the South even got a birth certificate.

If the Republicans want to rectify this with their ridiculous House of Prepresentatives Bill that will require every future presidential candidate to produce the original, fine. Then, what happens if some one loses theirs at the age of 23? Did EVERY Presidential Candidate in our history know they would be on the ticket at some point? And if every Presidential Candidate should have to provide theirs, then what about the VP candidates, since they are famously a “heartbeat away”? How about VADM Stockdale, who got drafted into the ticket by Ross Perot? Did he really know he was going to be on a ticket. Should have have been disqualified if he couldn't produce the ORIGINAL? *Maybe he lost it while HE was a Viet Nam POW with McCain) I've only got certified photocopies, since somewhere in the 22 moves I've made in my military service, and growing up, my original was misplaced. Does that mean I could never run? Darn. There goes my ultimate goal in life.

Like I said, if the Repubs want to require that birth certificates be produced, they can eliminate concerns that it effects President Obama, by specifically either exempting anyone currently serving as President or Vice President, or specify a start date for anyone entering the office AFTER the 2012. Othewise, we all know this is just another form of birther idiocy.

BTW dr love: why are you so angry? Why are you shouting? I'd think calling names and cursing are signs one is angry. There's a famous dictum from seminary preaching classes that calls for the preacher to make margin notes in sermon text: “Argument weak, yell like hell.” That's what you are doing…yelling and snarling. Your argument must be very weak.

Pr Chris


drlove999
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:51 am

Chris, i hate to inform you, but no hawaiian official has gone into the archives to compare whats on obamas original birth certificate with the computer generated copy…, You accurately stated that if a person request a BC from hawaii now, this is what they get is a short form with a seal and an attestation from the head of the appropriate health dept..Granted that is true however, it is MISSING from obamas online COLB…Chris, it would be good enough, if only it were TRUE, but it isnt…There is not one article, website, statement, editorial , absolutely nothing u could refer me to that could prove what u just said…If im wrong, then please direct me to where i can find it..I deal with facts, not phantoms, ghost, assumptions or wishful thinking!!!…Interestingly, i have already contacted the US State Dept. and i can assure u that you could NOT get a passport based upon the COLB obama has posted online….Maybe u should check yourself…Once again Chris, deal with facts and truth and not assumptions or guesses…As far as hillary clinton goes, chris dont be naieve…I can assure u she was sat down with and a deal struck..What it was, we may never know, but it was done….She initially did bring it out and then abruptly stopped talking about it..Did it ever cross ur mind as to WHY??….The reason none of the previous presidents or the people u mentioned had to show their original birth certificate is because there was never any question in the hearts or minds of the american people who these people running for office were from…Their lives were laid out before the public and spread across every newspaper in the country…In other words, there lives were made an open book….obamas life was shrouded in mystery, confusion, lack of transparency, no real investigation into his background…Even today, no one in america knows anything about him; other than what the media has told people…When questions arose concerning his strange and convoluted past, they were quickly dismissed or briefly touched upon that there wasnt any clear and definitive answers..This of course led to more and more confusion as to who is this man….Suspicions grew (as they would with any human being on this planet) that something was amiss…, something wasnt right…We were not being told all the facts…This is the reason…obama, his campaign, managers, the DNC, media and everyone associated with him brushed aside all criticism and serious critique…To this day, obama remains a mystery, an enigma, a man with no footprints, no past that can be checked on and verified…He as given a pass on every question that would force him to come clean on issues…We here in America had never encountered such a strange man with such a convoluted past that was being kept away from the senses of the average american…This is should answer ur question as to why he was singled out as opposed to the other people u mentioned…Chris, obama and his people have been orchestrating the biggest haox, fraud and coverup of a man since the history of this nation…He applied for the highest office in our country to work for us..We dont work for him…Why shouldnt he be transparent and release a one page $15 document toshow constitutional eligibility to be president??…To answer ur last question, if he would release his original BC when he was born in 1961, i would be completely satisfied….


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:51 am

Well it wouldn't have cost that amount – simply because Kenya had shifted to a metric “cents” system in the l920's. 6d (pence) would have been “50 cents”. Look at any stamps from that era from Kenya (google 'em) and it will show they are denominated in cents, not pence.

But to think that a document if l964 Kenya would cost exactly the same as one in Australia severAl yeArs removed strains credulity.


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:01 am

Agree that people simply need to Google “Kenyatta declares Republic”…every site(other than recent birther ones) states clearly that Independence was declared on December 12, 1963 with Kenyatta declaring it a Republic one year later…Dec 12, 1964.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Jomo_…

There are dozens more sites that show the same thing. No one would have put out stationary that “jumped the gun” on Kenyatta's declaration.


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:10 am

Then why has no other Presidential candidate or President been faced with the same demands? Obama has presented his legal birth records, apparently repeatedly, to obtain passports, security clearances, etc. He has presented these private records to those who had legal need to see them. He has done what every other candidate and elected official has been reguired to do.

So why do the birthers want to make an exception in the case of THIS President and demand even more than they have for anyone else? Lemme see, could it be that he's half black born of a Kenyan father?

Well Gooolllleee, Sarge.


cinnamonape
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:41 am

Dr. Love has presented very astutely why even the presentation of the “long form” that shows Obama was born in Honolulu will not satisfy them.

How? Because he claims that a whole range of Hawaiian BC's could be obtained via fraud. So even if Obama's b/c shows up they can claim, “well in Hawaii it could be easily obtained by fraud”. Og course, this is possible in most states, as well, since they also don't reguire the signature of an attending physician.

Just think…all those kids born outside the actual physical presence of a doctor are now “non-citizens” because Dr. Love suggests their BC's could be faked… “maybe some grandparent forged the name of the parent”…can you actually produce evidence that anyone saw your mom in the US within 5 months of your birth. DOCUMENTVRY EVIDENCE? That could not be faked (signatures on documents, are, according to Dr. Love…too easily faked).

and who really knows who the father IS? Has a DNa test been done?


Robin Levett
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:41 am

Name, author, publication date and page of your history book, please. And a quote that supports your claim..

And explain the lack of reference to “Republic” in Kenya's 1963 Constitution, here:

http://www.constitutionnet.org/files/KEL63-002.pdf

And then explain why all Kenya's official sources now say that it became a Republic on 12 December 1964.


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Sunny
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:35 am

That accent is an Eastern European accent, certainly not a German accent, so much for that!!!

Taitz is obviously a cheap looking Eastern girl with bottle blond dyed hair. Maybe she tries to look like a “a good Aryan woman” or so?!-) She looks like the women standing at the streets in the Red
Light District here in Europe. Poor woman…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

I’ve got a great idea Birthers—–How ’bout we change the Constitution and have an IQ test to simply qualify as the leader of our nation??? I’m sure W’s scores would have been rockin’ off the charts. Presidential SAT’s—–start your practice tests Sarah!!!!!


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:58 am

I want you to request a copy of your birth certificate from your home state. I am willing to be you $20 that you will not be able to get a copy of the long form.

If the original long form becomes lost or destroyed, the short form is the only official version. With computerization, microfilming, and the cost of storing paper records, I do not believe that a “vault” copy of anyone's birth certificate exists.

Stop demanding from the president what many other natural born citizens cannot do–produce the long form birth certificate.


drlove999
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:41 am

Are u so ignorant and dumbed down that u cant even read or understand the information out there on this subject??…Hawaii officials have already stated they have seen and verified obamas original BC and they are holding it under state policies and procedures…Furthermore, obama himself in his book has previously stated that he is in possession of his original typewritten BC…All anyone is asking is that We, the american people have the right to verify the original document that is currently sealed away in the records of the hawaiian bureau of vital statistics..There is information on it (whether short or long) that will put this controversy to rest…This has NOTHING to do with are they holding a “short or long form”.or what kind of bc they would send out today..Wake up man…Clean the cobwebs out of ur ears and grow some balls, curiosity and do ur own independent research…Its not my job to educate the ignorant dumbasses of this world!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:53 am

i have no frickin idea what ur talking about as is true with all obots…If u have something to say, say it clearly or keep ur mouth shut!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 12:47 pm

What im really upset with is attempting to show u some respect in replying to ur last comment, but i guess i was just fooling myself into thinking u may have a decent bone of human kindness, but alas, i was wrong…So, in answer to ur question in writing to an absolute dickless shithead, let me say the following..You can accept anyones word u so choose..Thats ur business however, when it comes to sitting in the most powerful position in the world, We, the american people demand to see the best evidence that this individual is absolutely qualified to hold such a position of power…For ur enlightment, even if u are correct about the governor or the secretary of the hawaiian dept. of health validating obamas BC proves nothing…Every idiot on his planet is aware of the COLB obamas campaign posted on the internet, but what does that prove..NOTHING!!!….I fail to see ur point…These 2 hawaiian entities can state all day long they affirm the validity of obamas birth certificate and it doesnt prove anything…I mean exactly, what is ur point???…Could u possibly be a little more vague??…hawaiian officials could affirm all day long the validity of my automobile, but that doesnt state whats in it… etc etc….Just because someone states they have seen something doesnt address the core issue..Lets assume u are correct that hawaiian officials and the governor say they have confirmed the validity of obamas BC….My question to u is SO WHAT??…What does that statement prove??……NOTHING….All it proves is what it says…No one is interested in what they said..All people are interested in is WHAT INFORMATION IS ON THE DOCUMENT..Stop being such an ignorant shit and come to reality..People want to know whats in the document, not just the fact one exist..I feel like im speaking to a child 5 years old…Grow up man!!! Use common sense, that is, if u can find it!!!
ps..incidentally, for ur edification, neither the governor of hawaii nor the secretary of the hawaiian dept. of health have stated that the information they have of the original is the exact same information that is contained on the computer generated copy…They can never say that…You have to pay close attention as to how cleverly their words are sparsed and used and stop trying to draw conclusions from them in order to justify or bloster ur baseless beliefs


drlove999
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

Im beginning to wonder just how old u are??…It is inconceivable to me that u write such nonsense as this,,,,,How did the Obama family (I guess the Dunham family, come to think of it) manage to infiltrate the vital statistics in order to get his birth in the papers so soon after his birth? Vital statistics are printed in virtually every US newspaper (mine does it on Tuesday for births, and Friday, I think, for deaths, which is different than obituaries.). They are not paid ads, they are submitted by the local office for that (ie, registrar of births, etc.)….Im going to make this brief cause iam tired of educating u dumbass…The year was 1961…Does that ring a bell with u??>….We're not talking about today u dumb shit, we're talking about life in hawaii in 1961..Really, how stupid can u possibly be??…In 1961 a relative could have placed both ads in the advertiser and the star w/o any problem whatsoever..Plus, why would anyone have to infiltrate hawaiis vital statistics to get his birth in the papers….His white grandmother living on the island or stanley herself could have requested the certification of live birth while simultaneously placing ads in both newspapers…In 1961, the laws were soo lax, this type of placing, reporting and getting a COLB was a very easy process to obtain…If ur trying to apply todays standards as to what was in place in hawaii in 1961, either u are living in a dream world, or u are an absolute idiot!!!….Im not sure which!!!……Obviously u are totally unaware that obamas grandmother lived in hawaii at the time of obamas birth in kenya..Are u a total nut case or what??…It would be simple as pie for stanley to have given birth to obama in kenya, sometime later catch a plane back to the mainland with ur mother already having took care of the sticky details of little barrys birth…At first i said to myself, u cant be that ignorant or out of touch with reality, but then i came to the conclusion that u are confusing (deliberately or intentionally) the time frames between 1961 and today…If everything were perfectly in place as in ur little scenario, then u might have a point…However, u are missing al the salient points and laws that were in existence in 1961, not to mention obamas granmother could have accomplished easily every single thing u mentioned in ur diatribe letter…Once again man…..WAKE UP!!!


smrstrauss
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

Re: “Well it wouldn't have cost that amount – simply because Kenya had
shifted to a metric “cents” system in the l920's. 6d (pence) would have been
“50 cents”. Look at any stamps from that era from Kenya (google 'em) and it
will show they are denominated in cents, not pence.”

Ah! So this is a particularly crude forgery. Yet, as of last night, some
people still believed it. Does anyone still believe it?


drlove999
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

Your ignorance about facts continues to pale me….First, do u have any proof obama has a US passport??…Do u understand anything about passports??>..Are u aware that in 1981 obama traveled to Indonesia??>..He was about 10 or 20 years old then…Do u know what kind of passport he used to get to Indonesia??….I suggest u cant answer a damn question…Are u aware that once obama became a US senator he was given a “diplomatic passport” which would not require him to have a regular US passport like u or me??..It still remains a mystery as of today which passport obama used to travel to Indonesia..He could have used a US passport, but then again, WHY WONT HE RELEASE HIS PASSPORT RECORDS???…Ill tell u why, because it would reveal information about him, it would shed light and disclose some of who this enigma/vapor of a human being really is…Really man, stop being so ignorant and having people like myself educate u..Your comment about what information on the passport is missing from obamas COLB is a good question…The american people would like to see obamas passport to make that determination, but like every other record, it is sealed and not available for public inspection…Just more fuel to the fire that obama is hiding something…Besides my young uneducated and uninformed friend, the COLB obamas campaign posted on the internet is insufficient to obtain a passport with..Dont believe me!!!…Call the US State Department/passport division and u will find out the truth yourself!!…I have apassport to and when i received mine, i had to show my BC…Unlike on obamas, my bc has the hospital i was born in, the attending physician, my parents full names and addresses, my birth weight and length…I had to produce complete information on a legitimate BC (albeit a copy) but still complete with all relevant data satisfying the State Dept…Iam sure u did too!!…


drlove999
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

Ill give to u the same comment i posted earlier in response to the same question from another obot..The reason none of the previous presidents or the people u mentioned had to show their original birth certificate is because there was never any question in the hearts or minds of the american people who these people running for office were from…Their lives were laid out before the public and spread across every newspaper in the country…In other words, there lives were made an open book….obamas life was shrouded in mystery, confusion, lack of transparency, no real investigation into his background…Even today, no one in america knows anything about him; other than what the media has told people…When questions arose concerning his strange and convoluted past, they were quickly dismissed or briefly touched upon that there wasnt any clear and definitive answers..This of course led to more and more confusion as to who is this man….Suspicions grew (as they would with any human being on this planet) that something was amiss…, something wasnt right…We were not being told all the facts…This is the reason…obama, his campaign, managers, the DNC, media and everyone associated with him brushed aside all criticism and serious critique…To this day, obama remains a mystery, an enigma, a man with no footprints, no past that can be checked on and verified…He as given a pass on every question that would force him to come clean on issues…We here in America had never encountered such a strange man with such a convoluted past that was being kept away from the senses of the average american…This should answer ur question as to why he was singled out as opposed to the other people u mentioned… obama and his people have been orchestrating the biggest haox, fraud and coverup of a mans' true identity since the inception of this country…Also, let me educate u a little more …obama has NOT presented ANY private records to anyone…Where u get that asinine statement is beyond me..Instead of trying to blow smoke up my ass, if u have any proof of what ur saying about that comment, id love to see it…If not, then keep ur assumptions, beliefs or wishful thinking to ur self…It has a nasty way of messing and muddying up FACTS!!!!…Concluding with this….No one gives a shit about is “color”…What we care is that he come clean with his past and stop covering up things that the american people have a right to know…Personally, i would have voted for Alan Keyes who is a helluva lot blacker than obama…Alan Keyes was actually born from a black womans vagina; unlike obama…Wake up girl and get educated…Its not my job to educate ur ignorant ass or any or ur little obot friends!!!….


smrstrauss
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

Re: “The document at the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website indicates that at the time she made this statement it was false, and that a procedure was in place for application for “the original Certificate of Live Birth.”

The above is a lie. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (DHHL) says that it would prefer to get the original birth certificate. It does not say how to get one or that the Department of Health, which issues the birth certificates, would send a copy of the original. The Department of Health says clearly that it does not send out copies of the original anymore. It only sends out the short-form Certification of Live Birth. (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualin…)

So, how can DHHL say that it prefers the original if people cannot get the original? Because some people, the ones who did not lose the original, have the original, so they can send it to DHHL. But, what about those who lost the original? DHHL says that it will accept the Certification of Live Birth as proof of birth in Hawaii (like all the other departments in Hawaii and the US State Department) and then will try to use other documents to prove the racial background of the applicant. (DHHL administers a program for land for people of Hawaiian racial background.) Since Obama's race is not an issue, the DHHL issue is spurious. And, it does not show that the Department of Health sends out copies of the originals. The Department of Health clearly says that it does not send out copies of the original.


smrstrauss
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Re: “we as americans demand to see as “best evidence”, the original long form birth certificate generated in 1961 that allegedly hawaiian officials say they have on record..Why are u soo opposed to seeing the truth??.”

I, as an Obama supporter, have no problem with showing the original birth certificate because it will prove, as the officials in Hawaii have said repeatedly, that Obama was born in Hawaii.

The problem is with your assumption that Obama can show the original. He cannot. He only has the Certification of Live Birth, which is what Hawaii sent him. That is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the place of birth on it has been confirmed by the officials, and there is a witness who recalls the birth: (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html).

But you still want to see the original. Well, the reason that it has not been released is because Hawaii has a policy of not sending out copies of the original. It only sends out the Certification.

So, Obama cannot show it, because he does not have it. He has what they sent him when he asked for a copy of his birth certificate, the Certification (which is what it sends to everyone).

Who is to blame for not showing the original? Not Obama. He does not have it. Hawaii is to blame. Get Hawaii to change its rules or its laws if necessary, and the document can be released. Hawaii is under a Republican governor, Linda Lingle. I suggest you ask her to make a change in the rules or, if necessary, the law, to allow the original document of a president to be considered a public record and hence available to anyone who asks to see it.

Remember, it is Hawaii that has the original, not Obama.


smrstrauss
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Re: “Obama was given a higher registration number than the Nordyke twins.”

A red herring. The numbering system of the original certificates and the numbering system of Certifications of Live Birth are not related. One is higher, one lower, and if they are close numbers, it is merely an accident.


cbc
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

drlove, please go for a walk outside, or hug a neighbor; something. Why would anyone place false birth announcements unless they expected baby Obama to run for President? There was never any doubt about his citizenship.


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angelaE123
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

This is totally ridiculous and useless. I stated that I did not necessarily
believe that he was not a citizen of this country, but that because of his
actions and disregard for this country, it makes you question it. That is
all I said. I have no agenda, but will say that I am a conservative and do
not go along with the current administration as I enjoy my freedoms. So,
that's it. Hope you have a nice day!


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

It was reported in the last week or so that the Sec of Health had
reportedly gone into the archives and verified the certificate. Do a search for the
news reports of the latest announcement of the authenticity of the birth
certificate records they have.

Lets see, I just did a google search for “Hawaii Archive Obama Birth
certificate”, and lo and behold, the FIRST hit I got, from more than several
203,000, of hits was this from USA Today:

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born
in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, _Hawaii_
(http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Places…) 's
health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen
Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives:

Also, sources from ABC News, The Honolulu Advisor, etc

In other words, give it up!!!! It is real. It exists. You are just
making a fool out of yourself. This is no plot. This is just fact. You COULD
have found this out in, about…2 seconds. But you'd rather have a
conspiracy. As a disabled military retiree, who put up with a horrible 8 years,
including friends lost in an unnecessary and totally mismanaged war, I am
elated that we have an educated, thoughtful President, who lived overseas
and UNDERSTANDS what most of us who have lived overseas understand about how
we as a country need to deal with the world in the next years.

Rev Chris

In a message dated 8/4/2009 10:55:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

…There is not one article, website, statement, editorial , absolutely
nothing u could refer me to that could prove what u just said…If im wrong,
then please direct me to where i can find it..


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Ah, yes. drlove already contacted me this morning to rant that no one has
claimed to have seen the original in the archives, so I did a Google search
under Hawaii Archive Obama birth certificate, and the first 3 hits (out of
203,000+) were hits from: USAToday, ABC News, and the Honolulu Advisor.
The USA Today hit says:

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born
in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, _Hawaii_
(http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Places…) 's
health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen
Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives:

(Of course, since THIS citation is not the paragraph that identifies the
Dir of Health by name, he'll probably reject it, too…it would be funny if
it wasn't so sad.)

Did you see the blog from the Hawaii newspaper who did an imaginary
dialogue between a “rational person” and a “birther”…he got to eight proofs
that they still rejected…

Three things come from this:

1. Our country is still more racist than we like to think.
2. Public education (logic, thinking skills, esp.) needs help!
3. Bring back civics classes in school.

As far as birth records go, my parish secretary a black woman in her mid
60s, was born at home in rural So. Carolina, and never got a birth
certificate. He elementary school burned down several decades ago (black only
physical dump of a place) and all the records were lost. She STILL has not been
able to obtain a passport, in spite of being the spouse of a military
enlisted, and travelling overseas as a military dependent. And drlove rants…

Peace!

Pr Chris

In a message dated 8/4/2009 11:42:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

cinnamonape wrote, in response to CalSailor:

Dr. Love has presented very astutely why even the presentation of the
“long form” that shows Obama was born in Honolulu will not satisfy them.

How? Because he claims that a whole range of Hawaiian BC's could be
obtained via fraud. So even if Obama's b/c shows up they can claim, “well in
Hawaii it could be easily obtained by fraud”. Og course, this is possible in
most states, as well, since they also don't reguire the signature of an
attending physician.

Just think…all those kids born outside the actual physical presence of a
doctor are now “non-citizens” because Dr. Love suggests their BC's could
be faked… “maybe some grandparent forged the name of the parent”…can you
actually produce evidence that anyone saw your mom in the US within 5
months of your birth. DOCUMENTVRY EVIDENCE? That could not be faked
(signatures on documents, are, according to Dr. Love…too easily faked).

and who really knows who the father IS? Has a DNa test been done?

Link to comment:
http://washingtonindependent.com/53494/birthers…


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Cathy
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

I cannot believe that an entire group of people are sitting around discussing Barack Obama's birth. How someone could possibly believe that his mother cooked up this conspiracy in 1961, just IN CASE her son got elected president in 2009 (after she died) is completely insane. There is so much that needs to be done in this world, go outside and pick up some trash, or find something useful to do. Really, if you all have that much time, I have lots of things you can help me with. My house needs to be cleaned, and some yard work done. I have to work to earn a living, perhaps some of you should just get jobs, that will take up some time.


CalSailor
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Angela: If you do not question his birth, then I misunderstood you, and I apologize. However, the word “transparent” in regard to his birth or citizenship is a classic charge used by the birthers. If you do not want to be in that camp, then the first sentence of your post: he brought it on by not being transparent, is pretty close to the “birther” party line. He has been transparent…he has posted his birth certificate; the only ones that say he has not been transparent on this are the Birthers. So, do yourself a favor, and rephrase your statement in the future, or others will believe as I do, that that's what you believe.


birtherssuck
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

Pretty pathetic the way you sling around accusations of ignorance and immaturity without taking a good look at your own posts. Something else you're slinging, too. Starts with a b and ends with a t and rhymes with “pull spit.” I have a passport which I obtained with a Certificate of Registration of birth (what it was called in my state at the time) which is pretty much the same thing as the COLB and is a LEGAL document for identification purposes. If it weren't what would be the point of the states issuing them to anyone? Just a nice little piece of paper?


drlove999
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

You are still reading misinformed and outright blatant lies…USA is the least respected newspaper in america and has repeatedly been called down for removing words and adding words that people never said….Case in point….Fukimo never said she went back and examined obamas original birth certificate and it states he was born in hawaii…She never said that…What she said is that she saw a “vital record”…Of course, to this day, we dont know WHAT she was looking at…Secondly, it is in violation of hawaii laws for fukimo to have said anything at all..Thirdly, she arrogantly became the oracle of constitutional law when she allegedly said “obama was a “natural born citizen”…hahahaahah What a stupid bitch…She doesnt know what a NBC is..I mean , do u really believe that fucking bitch fukimo could make a outright bald face screaming lie about something she knows NOTHING ABOUT??….Do u honestly think that some health dept. worker would even use such terms as “natural born citizen ” in a statement released to the press and the world when she doesnt know what the fuck she's talking about??…Do u realize that the article u sent me to states in one paragraph “vital record” and that in another paragraph, USA says “birth certificate…..hahaahahah Damn , they cant get their word selection right…I suppose they can just use any old word they want that suits them…haahahah You cannot possibly be that stupid, but i guess u are….Do u further realize that according to obama himself who said he was born in kapoliani hospital, there is a registered birth (i believe minutes before or after, not exactly sure) ,not relevant anyway,….But, what is relevant, we have a lady who gave birth at or around the exact same time as obamas birth and she has posted her Certificate of live birth and it looks NOTHING like obamas…Now, can u explain WHY???…hahaaha Im sure ur gonna come up with some stupid reason…You even are spearheading lies in ur own statement when u said the health director has seen obamas birth certificate in the archives…That is a BOLD FACE LIE U ASSHOLE!!..She never said that!!..The newspapers the advertiser and the star that u refer to NEVER SAID OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII…All they said is that stanley dunham gave birth to a baby, but it doesnt say WHERE, u asshole…She could have given birth to him on mars as far as the newspapers were concerned…Do ur own research u idiot!!…Im thru dealing with a dunb downned idiot like yourself…Go sleep with the fuckin fraud if u want to, I prefer not!!!!


olanordmann
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

Have anyone of the “Birthers” for one second thought about the fact that they are making themselves at first, and sadly enough the Americans as a whole, the laughing stock in the rest of the world?
As a Norwegian I would like to thank the “Birthers” for giving me a good laugh every day. You are probably the dumbest people I have ever heared.


drlove999
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 12:16 am

Lady ur ignorance can only be surpassed by pure stupidity…First, have u examined the information of ur registration with the COLB the obama campaign posted on the internet??..Besides, this issue is not about identification, its about what information is on the original the state of hawaii is holding…What does it state??…The american people have not seen it..obama has a duty and responsibility to the american people to produce whats he hiding..The COLB posted on the internet is a computer generated copy of allegedy some information taken from the original…Is it really too much to ask to see the original??…Why should the american people turn over the most powerful position in the world to someone who has to date failed to provide the most simplest and innocuous of documents that even Mccain turned over immediately when he was questioned??….What makes obama think he is above the law or that he can scoff at the american peoples wishes??…The COLB is NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE…The american people want to see the original birth certificate that was generated in 1961 when he was born…Hawaii has it on file, obama himself has stated that he has it so therefore, what is so frickin hard in producing a $10 document??…That is the “best evidence” and it has information on it that is missing from the COLB..Can u possibly understand what i have wrote??…For someone to spend upwards of a million dollars to hide such a seemingly simple document that no american on this planet would have a problem producing, raises a flag that something is terribly wrong..No one goes to the extent obama has gone to to seal, obfuscate and hide every single document that sheds light on his past and identifies who he is, than obama..The more he hides and refuses to release it to the american people, the more he fuels the fire and the rage…He could end this whole controversy in 30 minutes, but he wont do it..Any reasonable person would ask themselves WHY??…What has he got to hide??.If his original birth certificate says he was born in hawaii in kapoliani hospital and list the name of the delivering doctor or mid-wife or any witnessess present, with other data like birth weight and length, then no problem…The issue will fade away and die in a heartbeat, but he adamantly refuses to do it..Think about this….No man or woman in their right mind would fight so hard or spend soo much money to keep something hidden unless there as damning evidence on it that could potentially threaten his presidency….there is NO OTHER REASON!!..obama promised transparency with his administration and yet he has covered up all his records and sealed them away from public scrutiny..The american peiople have a right to see and examine all of obamas records to understand his life and who is governing this country..he owes the american people that honesty and openness, but as of today, we are all still in the dark…If u would do ur own independent research, u would realize in 1961 how incredibly easy it would be to register foreign born births in the state of hawaii with literally one person claiming u were born there; even if u were not..That fact standing alone should raise suspicions in the mind of any reasonable person!!!!


gemmers_z
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 1:11 am

Your ignorance is priceless! Well, I'm not an American ( from East Europe) and I know one thing for sure… all top politicians use diplomatic passport. That's how they get to take the “green” corridors at the airport.


vagn
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 1:49 am

This is not about showing a birth certificate but giving proof of Natural Birth which only the Long Form Birth Certificate and other documents can do!
It is the obligation, according to the constitution, of the president to prove his eligibility to the people of the nation!
The President is the 'servant of the people', according to the constitution!


Ryan
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 3:50 am

***Ignore smrstrauss***

He’s an Obama-bot (O-bot).

See here: http://www.reboottherepublic.com/blog/currentev…


Truthteller2009
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:53 am

Very good! I think your performance deserves an A.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:25 am

Well, it's getting out in the drive-by media now.

From David Hahn, “Publisher StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

But, here is the issue:

The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of our country. Article II of the Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen. Without reciting them here, there appears to be some serious questions raised about whether President Obama was born in the United States or Kenya. We have not checked sources, but there are reports that some witnessed his birth in Kenya.

The President's campaign staff and then his administration have released and placed on the internet a “Certificate of Live Birth.” We do not dispute the validity or correctness of that document as others have tried to do, suggesting the use of computers to alter seals and names. By releasing this document the President agrees that the claims about his status as a natural born citizen is an open, important, public issue.

But, this “Certificate of Live Birth” is simply not the best evidence that the President and his administration could offer to lay to rest any doubt about his status as a natural born citizen.

Barack Obama is a lawyer and a graduate of Harvard Law School. All law students study the body of law we call “Evidence.” One of the core tenets of American law is the “best evidence rule” which requires the production of original, or certified copies, of original document to prove a fact. Abstracts and summaries are not original documents.

The President has offered an abstract (Certificate) of his birth, but not an original birth certificate which would be the best evidence of his birth. We need the best evidence so that it can do what the best evidence is meant to do; dispel the doubts about a fact. We need to see the Birth Certificate. That's the one that is often handwritten and signed by the doctor.

Lawyers and legal thinkers will, obviously, argue the finer points of the “Best Evidence Rule” and its applicability to this matter. But, that misses the point. The notion of “Best Evidence” is solidly-grounded in law. This is an important public matter and it seems now that the President has started down the path of offering some evidence (Certificate of Live Birth), he should offer the “best evidence” (Original Birth Certificate) which is the source document for his birth. The document behind the document which has been released. This is what is needed now in the court of public knowledge.

The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.

I guess there are some things that not even a journalism school graduate can stomach.


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Pitt
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

Why nod during the outing?

Anyone? Anyone know why there's no need to show the certificate?

I already told you. You are being outed and your argument as well. That's a good thing. Why stop now when we need a full elucidation of the fringe? Tell me why you'd stop when America needs, more than ever, an education about the nature of the ideological right?

Obama is compelling your education and using your words, whether you agree or not with his handling of the matter.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/Freedom_of_Choice….


Pitt
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

You mean, like Bush was?

http://www.light-to-dark.com/cut_n_run.html


Patrick
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:01 am

“Even today, no one in america knows anything about him; other than what the media has told people…When questions arose concerning his strange and convoluted past, they were quickly dismissed or briefly touched upon that there wasnt any clear and definitive answers”

Another lie from someone who clearly is off their rocker… need ZOLOFT do ya?


hawaiilawyer
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

This is not a complex legal issue. Yet it has become a factual fallacy-fest steeped in rhetorical trickery and divisiveness by BOTH SIDES.

It is not a matter for name calling…ie kkk, Nazi, racist, Obamabot, birther, MSM stooge…etc.

It doesn't matter who believes which “facts”; as in “The Hawai‘i Dept of Health says this, or Limbaugh says that, or O'Reilly says this or that…”. Without the documents being made available for public inspection these opinions are not proof of anything.

It is just a matter of best evidence documents. Even if simply as a matter of transparency or of historical significance; these collage, law school and birth records should not be concealed from the public. HI DOH will issue copies of the original documents for a fee.

Ask yourself…why don’t the President’s supporters want to see the proof that will vindicate their support?

A reasonable third party must conclude that these documents are being hidden for a reason.

re.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

Don't mind educating folks “about the nature of the ideological right.”

I'd kinda like to learn more about 'em myself. Not that what I've seen of “the ideological right” suits me in any way at all. Too “Father Knows Best,” y'know what I mean?

The “Liberals” want to be everybody's nurturing Mommy.

The “ideological right” want to be everybody's stern Father.

What the hell happened to grown-up adults making their own decisions and accepting the consequences on their own?


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:50 am

See the 4th paragraph:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMzQxYmEzNjA2YWIwOTU4YWVjNzRmODE2NTI=


notsonuts
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

I used my “Certificate of Live Birth” to apply for my driver's license, get my passport, establish residency in three states, obtain residency in two foreign countries and most recently to join the Navy. If these documents are so d@ng evil why is the government handing them out and why can people like myself use them to do all of these things if they are not proof?
Birthers need to learn to stop the Q-tip when theres resistance!


Patrick
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

Ummm… your statement that they were not “produced” is an outright lie. Actual copies were provided to the U.S. government and electronic images of the Certificate of Live Birth are available on the internet.

If a COLB is not a real “birth certificate” then I guess I had better start telling people I was born in Japan and am a Japanese citizen… at least they ain't as stupid as you.


Patrick
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

“proof of Natural Birth which only the Long Form Birth Certificate and other documents can do!”

I guess thats why the military… every American embassy and the DMV all accept a Certificate of Live Birth as “proof of natural birth” (whatever the heck that actually means… as if birth can be an unnatural process).

What a tool…


drlove999
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:35 am

tell me what u know about him u sick bastard!! Its one thing to say something, its another thing to back it up with proof….What a sorry piece of crap ur mother raised up…


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drlove999
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 2:36 am

The national review u linked me to is an obvious obama supporter who is immersed in distorting the FACTS, disseminating false information, and false propaganda….There are soo many lies in that article , I dont know where to begin…Let me say this…It is not my job to educated the ignorant dumbasses…Neither fukimo or onaka made the statement this writer has atttributed to them…obama does have a vault copy of his original birth certificate and the american people have the right to look at it…No one and i mean NO ONE has said that whats on the internet is identical to the vault….If u dont believe me, then find ONE source on planet earth that has proof this has occurred….You cant!!!….Moreover, no reporter on planet earth has ever held obamas original vault copy birth certificate in their hands, and that especially applies to Joe miller of factcheck…This asshole has not only never held the original in his hands, he has never held the one the obama campaign posted on the internet…No one on planet earth has held obamas internet posting COLB in their hands for forensic document inspection, much less the original…Other babies born at the kaploiani hospital minutes before obama and minutes after have an original birth certificate and since obama himself states categorically that he was born in kapoliani hospital, then surely he must have what every other mom given birth in that establishment has in their possession…In fact, in obamas own book he claims to have found his original birth certificate tucked away between pages in the book he allegedly wrote..The honolulu star and the the honolulu advertisers birth announcements could have been placed by anyone of interest (mother or grandmother or grandfather) in 1961 by merely signing a statement saying they had resided in hawaii for a year as their claimed residences and based on that, hawaii would have issued a COLB, per hawaii revised statutes..The laws in hawaii in 1961 were very lax especially recognizing the fact they had become the 50th state in 1959…Everything was in an upheaval and it was extremely easy to obtain birth certificates for babies born outside the USA…….You need to do ur own research and stop reading garbage that distorts the truth,,People will write or say anything to support their agenda and become purveyors of false propaganda to an already dumbed down american people who believe shit they read without conducting their own independent research…Let me leave u with this, life is too short to waste time on this bullshit..when u read something u think might be the truth, VERIFY, VERIFY VERIFY….Then u will have a fighting chance of speaking the truth!!!…


Outspoken1
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Regardless of any 'birth certificate”; his mother was a U.S citizen. He could have been born in Moscow, USSR or Paris, France or Tijuana, Mexico, etc. and still be a US citizen. This is just thinly veiled racism and makes some Americans ('birther's or is that 'haters') look like absolute fools to the rest of the world.


vagn
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:27 am

I understand! But what is your personal objection for Obama to show his Long form Certificate which contains more detailed information?
Naturally born is a term used in the constitution and has nothing to do with the birth itself.
You really don't understand the constitution do you?


vagn
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:35 am

Exactly!
911 was a major push by the Elites to remove the constitutional protections and Obama, a constitutional Layer, is now continuing this process.


vagn
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:46 am

This is not about whether or not he is a citizen of the US! This is about being”Natural Born” a term used in the constitution as a qualification for becoming president!


wayoutwest
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 7:15 am

I am an American.
I am the part you won't recognise.
But get used to me.
Black,confident,cocky.
My name, not yours.
My religion, not yours.
My goals, my own.
Get used to me.

Muhammad Ali

Or President Barack Hussein Obama.
You lost, We won.
Get used to it.


xxcb
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:22 am

Is wikipedia incorrect? It says independence on 12 December 1963:
“Independent Kenya's first system of education was introduced by British colonists. After Kenya's independence on December 12, 1963, an authority named Ominde Commission was formed to introduce changes that would reflect the nation's sovereignty. “
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya


katagana
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:55 am

OMG such on obvious forgery.. 'Birthers' listen up.. if something seems to good to be true, it usually is!

The funny thing is that “World Net Daily” is saying.. yeah but Kenya became indepent on 12 December 1963, but that is not the point. It became A REPUBLIC in 1964.

Nice that these redneck Americans get interested in world history though..


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Pitt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

He was born in Hawaii. His mother was and is an U.S. Citizen. There is no controversy. You have your answer, but because you are driven by hatred and fear, it will make zero difference. Your tooling continues lock step like a cookie cut Brown Shirt.

Afterbirthers are retro and they don't know it, because they need to vent their racism and right wing insecurity. That, and except their November loss as adults with some control over their emotions.

The nation has a fascist problem. It was bad enough during McVeigh's act but now, with years of FOX propaganda, their continuous incitement to violence and overwhelming racism, the legions of proto-fascists graduated with vigor to a new, more violent form. Many are Afterbirthers for two reasons: Race and insecurity.

Now, all they want is death to the infidel because he happens to be black and far more American than they could ever dream of being.

You and the Afterbirther movement is dooming it's adherents to permanent humiliation.

What ever you do, don't stop. Call every insecure, angry Red Neck you know and get 'em fumin' mad. Pass on the ignorance and keep the Afterbirthers alive right on through 2010. That should take care of what's left of the Republican Fascist Party.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/The_Family.html


Pitt
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Then the Founders were mommy – lovers.

Not. They were intensely balanced, bright, honorable, legitimate Americans who designed the most enduring document ever written. That required not a mommy complex but balance of mind.

We just barely escaped permanent dictatorship with all the bells and whistles. The Afterbirthers are whats left of the insane right. They've got nothing but hate inside and it shows. They were simply too enamored with the dictatorship to think rationally or concede to a black patriot.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/cut_n_run.html


ChristineAnn
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

“CalSailor wrote, in response to ChristineAnn:

What would YOU accept as proof of President Obama's birth in Hawaii? The State
of Hawaii has said that everyone who requests a copy of their birth certificate
gets a printed version of the electronic information in their data base. There
IS NO OTHER form that can be provided.
So, again, what would YOU require to be convinced that President Obama was born
in Hawaii?
Nothing? Well, we know your agenda, then, don't we?”
The long form BC is not all. I want all his school records and passports. The BC is not my major complaint. The fact that his father was not a US citizen is.


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 12:59 am

I found something on a Texas hospital's web site (http://www.methodisthealth.com, Health Information Management page, question 11) that blows your argument out of the water:

“Q: I was born/my baby was born at The Methodist Hospital. How can I obtain a birth certificate?
A: You will need to request the birth certificate from the Bureau of Vital Statistics Office. The document you received after the birth of your baby named Verification of Birth Facts is used to send to the Bureau of Vital Statistics to complete the official birth certificate. You can reach the Bureau of Vital Statistics Office at 713-247-1686 or visit the City of Houston website for additional information.”
In other words, the “long form” birth certificate from the hospital, the one so many people say Obama needs to be official, is not the official record. It is simply a way of gathering information for the official state birth certificate.
If Obama had submitted the long form first, it would have been rejected, because it is not an official legal document.
Stop twisting the law around to suit your preconceived ideas.


drlove999
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:09 am

How do u ignorant misinformed obots breathe air??….Im still at a loss to understand this…It is amazing how ignorant u assholes are…Do u not know anything at all???…Have u studied anything, researched anything, had any independent thought of ur own other than some internet site, editorial or MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, OR NBC feed ur mind full of garbage???..It contains information on it u idiot that is used to generate (in some cases) a legitimate summarized short form birth certificate…It is whats on the original document (if one exist) that the american people want to see…If he was born in kapolaini hospital as he swears he was, then he would have an original birth certificate just like every other mom who gave birth in that same hospital; right before his birth and immediately right after..Why are u soo ignorant??…Are u aware that his campaign have posted two (2) separate COLB'S THAT LOOK NOTHING LIKE EACH OTHER BOTH SEARING THEY ARE REAL??…….So, the question is,”which one is real and which one is fake??…..haahahah Plus, ur comment above proves nothing…This is for people who are seeking a birth certificate…obama allegedly already had his….Dont u remember obama saying in his book he found his original birth certificate stuck between some pages in his book??…Thats the one the american people want to see….It would have the name of the hospital, doctor who delivered him, birth weight, birth length, name and addresses of his parents and any attending witnesses and it would be stamped signed by the registrar of records…Can ur brain not go beyond what people tell u??….Wake up and get out of ur coma…People who think like u are extremely dangerous!!!….Oh, one more tidbit of information is this..The so called address placed in the honoluu advertiser and the honolulu star acknowledging the birth of obama does not exist or if it does, no one knows or remembers stanley dunham or barry living there…Also, are u aware that no one on the island of Oahu remembers seeing stanley ann dunham pregnant months before barrys birth or months after his birth…hahaah …Are u also aware that not one hospital in hawaii has come forward to declare that obama was born in their hospital??>….haahah Dont u think all this shit is just a little peculiar??…hahaha Get a brain jerk!!!


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:15 am

Thirty years ago is a long time ago. Just because it existed then is no proof that it exists today.

As I said, the long form supplied the information for the short form. If the long form never existed, it would be impossible to receive a short form from the state.


drlove999
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

Iam not talking about what exist today…Iam pretty well sure that his grandmother filed a fraudulent registration of birth in order to obtain a COLB..soetoro was born in kenya and his grandmother wanting to secure valuable and desirable US citizenship, merely took advantage of a hawaiian loophole that existed in 1961 to register a birth not born in a hospital….She filed a fraudulent registration with hawaii that barry was born at home with her as the witness (pursuant to hawaiian revised statutes on the books at the time)..These vital records are picked up every friday by the 2 local newspapers in hawaii and run in the birth announcements of the paper..This is how they got in there at the same time..I fell about 100% convinced that the hawaii registrar of vital records is looking at the actual vital record (fraudulent) that was originally filled out by barrys grandmother in making the statements that she has made so far…barry was not born in hawaii and he was not born in a hawaiian hospital..This why no hospital to date has any record of barrys birth…Hawaiian officals in 1961 would not go to the trouble of verifying a home birth..His grandmother worked with shrewd doctors and important people when he was born…It would not have been difficult for her to have learned how easy it would have been to have filed a fraudulent record of a home birth and have it recorded in hawaii without any personal verification by officials in 1961…This is a known fact!!…barrys mother and grandmother wanted him to be recognized as a US citizen for obvious reasons, but it was conceived in fraud…This is the only plausible story that makes reasonable sense…It is my belief that the reason barry is fighting soo hard to hide this vital record is that it will show a “home birth”, and possibly other things that will reveal this as a fraud…And of course, as u know, barry made an unexpected trip to hawaii to see his dying white grandmother just days before he won the election…This trip was done in total secrecy with no proff of witnesses, film cres, reporters NOTHING……Something terrible happened during his trip..I dont know if the american people will ever know what took place in hawaii, but it is too damn coincidental that (1) only his white grandmother held the key to barrys birthplace and all the facts surrounding his US citizenship records and (2) only his white grandmother suddenly and unexpectedly died just days before his so-called historic election…Based on all available evidence, reasonable deductions to be drawn therefrom, subsequent actions and behaviors of all parties involved and the law in hawaii in existence in 1961, this seems to be the most common sense chain of reasonable facts that occurred surrounding barrys birth…obama is ashamed for any american to see the vital record that would show his home birth and he is further afraid there might be something on it that could lend even more credence and believability to his kenyan birth..I have been thinking about this for 2 years now and based on everything that has occurred to date, nothing seems more plausible…obamas parents or granmother/grandfather would have never dreamed in a million years little barry would someday grow up to run for president of the United States however, their intent was not inanticipation of that event occurring 40 plus years down the road…Their motivation was in securing him the most valuable and desirable thing they could at the time and that was US citizenship!!!!….(fraudulent from conception)…I believe barry murdered his white grandmother or during his trip to hawaii during his campaign or has put her away so no one on planet earth could ever speak with her…Before the time of barrys trip to hawaii, she was being sought out to be served a subpoena for deposition witness testimony by Andy Martin who had sued obama in hawaii for the release of records…All of these actions make perfect sense..They follow a pattern and course of conduct and human behavior to coverup and protect the most damning evidence that , at the time, could have absolutely 100% derailed obamas run for the presidency…I predict that my scenario will come true and that history will reveal it as the truth of the biggest fraud and hoax ever perpetrated on the American people since the history of this nation…This undoubtedly is the BIGGEST STORY that has ever occurred in america !!!!!!


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

You are not talking about what exists today? We have not guarantees that Obama is in possession of his original birth certificate. If it does not exist, he cannot produce it and it would be unreasonable to demand it.

Also, the long form is not official, but the short form is and he has produced it.

STOP MAKING THINGS UP!–Sarah Palin


drlove999
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

we have the guarantee that obama said “he has it”!!!…Dont u believe ur leader and commander in chief or are u calling him a liar too???..hahaah…..He has produced 2 short forms…Which one do u want me to believe??..You stop making things up u stupid ignorant sack of shit!!!


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

Where is the link to where Obama says he has the long form? (I'm not talking about as a teenager, I'm talking about since entering public life.)

What are the differences between the 2 short forms?


drlove999
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Listen asshole….You have access to the same information i do,,..Do ur own independent research and u will find all the information u need to know obama is a fraud…It is soo obvious it rattles the human mind not to see it or understand it…Obviouslyl you dont understand a damn thing about obama, the election, his past or anything about him…I actually in the past 2 years know more about obama than i do my own family and thats pretty frickin sad!!!…


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

Part of my independent research. This bill passed unanimously:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bi…


drlove999
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 12:19 am

What is ur point idiot??…..This is a resolution, not a bill made law…Are u really this damn stupid??..Do u not know the difference…Im not going to respond anymore cause obviously ur brain has been so indoctrinated with obama koo-aid, it is impossible for u to have independent thought or logical reasoning and deduction…Your ignorance is beyond the pale and it is absurd to have any further communication with u..Sooner or later the truth will come out about obama and when it does (if he hasnt already destroyed this nation) you will sitting there with ur finger stuck up ur ass wondering “what happened”?? People like u make me sick….Im finished with ur sorry ass…Go tell all uur obot friends about ur wonderful research and u guys sit around with ur stupid ignorant wives and girlfriends while the rest of us will fight to save our country ; even for idiots like you/!!!!


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 1:22 am

I know the resolution is a statement rather than a law. The point is that Republicans had the opportunity to be on the record for officially disputing Obama's Hawaiian birth and they refused.

How are you going to “save our country” without the support from party leaders?


pmc123
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 3:25 am

“You cant!!!….Moreover, no reporter on planet earth has ever held obamas original vault copy birth certificate in their hands, and that especially applies to Joe miller of factcheck”

Disqus… your a nut like the rest of the birthers. Obama murdered his grandmother…yeah whatever. Why don't you pull something else out from in between your a** cheeks and print it so we can all laugh at you some more.

A COLB IS A VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE. There is no law in the land that says you must have a “vault copy” of your birth certificate. Not only that TWO HAWAIIAN newspapers printed acknowledgement of Obamas birth IN HAWAII.

He is a natural born citizen and its gotten to the point where its not worth talking to those who are beyond reason like you.


pmc123
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 3:30 am

“Do u not know anything at all???…Have u studied anything, researched anything, had any independent thought of ur own other than some internet site, editorial or MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, OR NBC feed ur mind full of garbage??”

This is so amusing… do you read watch or listen to anything what nutjobs like Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck… the Worldnet Daily et cetera tell you? Obviously not… of course they have all admitted that he is a U.S. citizen, he is natural born and he is qualified under all our laws to be president.

So get bent…


pmc123
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Hey moron… why don't you tell me what you know about McCain? Did you know in 1955 he smoked marijuana and got it on with a farm animal?

Oh wait I just pulled that out of my butt just like your doing.

ROFL


drlove999
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Your just another stupid obot who has allowed obama rhetoric to poison and ruin ur ignorant ass mind…Not one person has admitted obama is a natural born citizen..Not one u ignorant dipshit of a human being….How frickin stupid can u assholes be??…Of course, iam finding out, there is NO LImit TO UR STUPIDITY..The truth will surface sooner or later and the really sad thing is ill never know where to find u so i can spit in ur face…That would be sooo pleasant..One of the real joys in life i would love to have with an asshole like u…


pmc123
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 3:58 am

drlove… you are laughable … a really sorry piece of shit. I would easily bitch slap your crying ass into a quivering mass anyway. Read below… note the vote was 378-0 that he is eligible…. note also that there is no set definition of “natural born” in fact states set up eligibility and sorry but Hawaii is a state as much as you would like to think its not. Your just being a dumbass because you lost… please go cry in your soup you whiney sniveling excuse for a human being. “Truth will surface sooner or later”… LOL even more funny…. so what is the truth? Eligibility has already been determined… get off this board.

Barack Obama (born 1961), 44th president of the United States, was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to a U.S. citizen mother and a British subject father from the Kenya Colony of the United Kingdom. Before and after the 2008 presidential election, the argument was made that he was not a natural born citizen. On June 12, 2008, the Obama presidential campaign launched a website to counter what it described as smears by his opponents, including these challenges to his eligibility.[53] The most prominent issue raised against Obama was the claim that he was not actually born in Hawaii. In two other lawsuits, the plaintiffs argued that it was irrelevant whether he was born in Hawaii,[54] but argued instead that he was nevertheless not a natural born citizen because his citizenship status at birth was also governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948.[55] The relevant courts have either denied all applications or declined to render a judgment due to lack of jurisdiction. Some of the cases have been dismissed because of the plaintiff's lack of standing.[22] On July 28, 2009, State officials in Hawaii once again issued a statement officially confirming Obama was born in the state of Hawaii. [56] On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.” [57] The vote passed 378-0.


drlove999
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 5:24 am

Another fuckin piece of shit talking…You know ive never seen shit talk until now!!!…Your so fuckin stupid ur a waste of space, breath and energy..Your not worth of a response cause u lack the mental ability to understand ur own mamas lack of class…She was probably a slut and a whore like obamas mama for sleeping with a nigger….What a piece of crap ur mama must have been to raise a piece of shit like you..But then hey!!…crap is shit…hahahaah


pmc123
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

“…In 1961, the laws were soo lax, this type of placing, reporting and getting a COLB was a very easy process to obtain…”

Even more fun BS from Dr. Love… yeah the laws were so lax that we had people coming in left and right getting forged birth certificates.. Whatever. Your having to resort to name calling proves you wrong. You provide no evidence then say go do your own research. My research proves your a complete moron.

Enuff said.


damajah
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:17 am

The “birthers” rejection of President Obama as POTUS and a natural-born US citizen makes their obvious racism a little more palatable. They will never accept him. They are so deep in denial, that it is probably uncomfortable for a sane, rational person to be around them. It is impossible to keep this type of delusion to yourself.


Brad
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 4:46 am

“APPLICANTS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES: Submit a previous U.S. passport or certified birth certificate. A birth certificate must include your full name,
the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such
records.” http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/799…

You're incorrect. While the birth certificate you sent them may have had more information on it, that information is not necessary.


drlove999
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 12:41 pm

every state is different idiot….Check it out for urself…Besides, that isnt the issue…Stay focused on the issue and stop chasing ghost..Your comment is purely academic…


some engineer
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 12:40 am

In order to believe that President Obama was born in Kenya, I would have to believe the following sequence of events:

Ann Dunham, a 19-yr old pregnant college student of middle-class background and no independent means, decided to forgo giving birth in a nice, safe, modern hospital in the nice, safe, modern city in which she lived (Honolulu). Instead, she decided, while heavily pregnant, to travel to a war-torn, primitive colonial outpost on the other side of the planet. At the time, that was a very expensive multi-day trip even by air. Kenya was just getting over one of the most brutally mediapathic colonial wars of the 20th century, the Mau-Mau Rebellion. It made such an impression in the English-speaking world that mau-mau entered the lexicon in the US and UK as a political colloquialism for thuggish intimidation. And then, shortly thereafter, she flew back to the US with a newborn. She then induced the Hawai’ian Health Department to put fraudulent notices of his birth in the local papers and issue a birth certificate with a false place of birth.

Furthermore, despite her lack of resources or connections, she managed to do all of this in secret, leaving no documentary evidence behind. In fact, she did it so well that a top-secret security clearance investigation and the oppo research teams of the Clinton and McCain campaigns completely missed it. But somehow a bunch of amateur sleuths with an ideological axe to grind figured it out… but are unable to come up with evidence equal to their accusation.

If you want me, or any reasonable person, to believe your story, you have to prove the entire extraordinary chain of events you are claiming.


some engineer
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

The COLB that Obama has released is the legal document that shows that he was borin in Honolulu. According to applicable state and federal law, it is prima facie evidence of the birth recorded. My COLB, which looks substantially similar to Obama's (not surprising, since both forms follow State Dept standards; the content is different, of course) has been considered sufficient evidence of my status as a natural-born (as opposed to naturalized) US citizen by the State Department, the Social Security Administration, and the Department of the Air Force.

And it would be truly extraordinary for Obama not to have been born in the city in which both of his parents resided at the time. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people I have met in my life not born within 50 miles of their mother's residence at the time of their birth.

It's well past time for your birthers to bring some evidence equal to the extraordinary nature of your claims or STFU.


drlove999
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

You are one ignorant bastard…No 1961 COLB was printed on a laser printer or computer printout…They weren't in existence at the time…The only thing used in 1961 asshole was a paper document…The question is where is the original document in which the COLB his campaign posted on the internet took the information from??…No one gives a shit about what axelrod or gibbs put on the internet…For some reason, u cant get that point passed ur moronic obama kool-aid drinking mass above ur shoulders u call a brain….Secondly, there is NO EVIDENCE that obama, his mother, father, absolutely no evidence whatsoever that they lived at the address that appeared in the honolulu advertiser or the honolulu star…Do ur research u dumb piece of shit…There is soo much evidence proving obama is a fraud, it is beyond overwhelming…In fact, there is no question about it…Obviously ur mama or daddy did something wrong in raising u up…They obviously forgot to tell u that when people behave a certain way that is inconsistent with normal behavior or thru the use of just plain old common sense, that something is amiss somewhere and that u should question the obvious…It never ceases to amaze me that u obots find nothing peculiar that obama has spent upwards of a million dollars to keep all of his records sealed and away from the public…No one in their right mind spends that kind of money unless they have something to hide…No one who is the alleged president of the United States would show soo much arrogance, disdain and disrespect to the american people who wish to see a $15 document that obama could produce in 30 minutes if he wanted to and settle this entire matter…obama is a fraud and he is hiding damaging documents that threaten his presidency..If ur mama and daddy had raised u correct, u would be just as suspicious as me and smell a rat in the woodpile somewhere…However, the fact that u brush aside so cavalier a character defect that obama is displaying is extremely scary for normal rational human beings…Next time before u vomit at the mouth, try doing something that may be foreign or strange to u…DO RESEARCH ASSHOLE!!!!!


some engineer
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Funny that… in the year I was born (1977) laser printers were room-sized devices used for high volume printing by Fortune 500 companies, not ordinary equipment in government offices in the state I was born (Massachusetts). Yet the COLB that I presented to all those government departments I mentioned previously was laser-printed, and they accepted it without question. That's because it wasn't printed in 1977; it was printed out by the state of Massachusetts from computerized records when I requested a new copy in 2007.

As for President Obama's birth, his parents lived in Honolulu at the time. Hawai'ian officials, including the Republican governor, have confirmed that he was born there. He has the proof specified by statute that he was born there. That's a significant pile of evidence that his mother gave birth to him in the town in which she lived at the time; it would require extraordinary circumstances for him to have been born anywhere else and even more extraordinary ones for there not to be ample documentary evidence of it. If you've got some sufficiently compelling evidence, let's see it. If not, insulting me won't make up for the lack.


drlove999
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 1:17 am

Once again ur mouthing off crap thats not true….Neither the governor nor any hawaiian official has said that obama was born there…All the registrar of vital statistic said lately is that she looked at the vital document and it said he was born in hawaii…The problem is, no one knows what vital document she looked at so we would never know the basis of that stement…Especially in light of the fact her superior ranking office said she di dnot make such a statement and that it is against policy for her to have made such a statement…Incidentally, the republican has never said obama was born in hawaii…If u think so, then find me the proof instead of just mouthing off bullshit u cannot confirm or verify..All hawaii births in 1961 were registered by a typewriter on a paper document…There are many people born in the same hospital obama and his half-sister state he was born and they all have paper documents…Where is obamas???…Why are u so hell-bent on providing alibis for this fuckin fraud??…I just dont understand people like u.,.,,You are bending over backwards to protect an obvious fraud..Have u no shame??..He has no proof provided by statute he was born there because it has NEVER BEEN REVEALED…The COLB is not proof of anything…For some strange reason u are hanging all ur positions on this COLB which proves NOTHING..It does not have the requisite proof that would be on the original paper document…I could make up the exact same document obamas campaign posted online with adope photoshop and a few skills at manipulating computer generated documents…Now, if i created the same COLB that obama put online, would that prove conclusively whatever i said on there??…I could put on there I was born on the planet pluto…Does that actaully prove i was born on pluto??…This is how insanely stupid and ignorant u are…There is no significant evidence that his mother gave birth to him in hawaii…If u have some proof other than just spouting at the mouth, lets heart it or shut the fuck up!!..Since u are obviously ignorant of the laws on the books in hawaii respecting registering births in 1961 it is ridiculous for me to educate the dumbasses of this world..There is nothing extraordinary about it…It is just taking advantages of loopholes in awaii laws at the time of his birth..It didnt take an einstein to figure it out…To prove to u how woefully ignorant u are, are u aware that even today i can register a birth in hawaii and have it picked up by the newspaper, although it would be a complete fraud??..Believe me, he was born in kenya and sooner or later more proof is going to surface..Even his own grandmother states he was born there and she was present at his birth and held him in her arms…But apparently, thats not good enough for you…The circumstantial evidence over barrys birth is beyond compelling…It is a certainty , that is if u are a rational thinking human being!!!


Yvette
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

His father's citizenship is irrelevant. Even if his mother was a foreigner, he would still have US Citizenship by virtue of being born in Hawaii (a US state).

All of those wishing to see the President's Long Form Birth Certificate, I propose that you all upload your birth certificates to Flicker in protest.

You call yourselves Christians; you can't get into Heaven with that kind of hate.
You guys lost the election & now you're bitter.


Sierra Haines
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 11:34 am

Exactly. Jesus stopped Peter from resisting Jesus' arrest. He was loving and forgiving to all, and as Christians we are to follow His example.

Also, it is not anti-American to have a parent or other ancestor originally from Africa.

If churches can send missionaries to Africa to teach them Christianity and give them tools for better health and education, then why can't more people accept the descendants of Africans here, and be happy when some have succeeded against incredible odds?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 5:07 am

Is Comical Ali your name for the Iraqi Information Minister during the second U.S. – Iraq war?

We called him “Baghdad Bob.” I loved that guy. Hilarious. “The Americans are not on the ground in Iraq. The Americans are nowhere near Baghdad. The Americans are nowhere near the airport. The Americans do not have complete control of the airport. The American tanks you just saw are not rolling down the street right behind me.”

I would like to think that the rest of the world can distinguish Americans from birthers (who are un-American). But I’d also like to think the rest of the world doesn’t believe George W. Bush truly represented the American people. Sigh.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 5:07 am

Is Comical Ali your name for the Iraqi Information Minister during the second U.S. – Iraq war?

We called him “Baghdad Bob.” I loved that guy. Hilarious. “The Americans are not on the ground in Iraq. The Americans are nowhere near Baghdad. The Americans are nowhere near the airport. The Americans do not have complete control of the airport. The American tanks you just saw are not rolling down the street right behind me.”

I would like to think that the rest of the world can distinguish Americans from birthers (who are un-American). But I’d also like to think the rest of the world doesn’t believe George W. Bush truly represented the American people. Sigh.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 4:48 am

You think the National Review is a publication that supports Obama? What color is the sun on your home planet?

At the risk of burning your eyes with unvarnished facts, read something from the National Review Online editors:

“The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMz…

You make up a host of nonsense that has been debunked on this very website, TWI, including without limitation the notion that the birth announcements could have been put in the paper by “anyone of interest” (the information came directly from hospital records, as reported by David Weigel and many other reporters); that Hawaii would have given Obama a COLB stating he was born in Hawaii based just on someone's word (they did no such thing); and that a person who resided in Hawai'i a year could sign a statement and get someone a birth certificate (pure fantasy on your part).

You shouldn't go around telling other people to verify that shit stinks. You should stop bullshitting. That will solve the whole problem.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 4:57 am

What? “Neither the Governor nor any Hawaiian official has said that he was born there?”

Do you just make shit up as you go along, and then throw in a random expletive every so often?

Linda Lingle, Republican Governor of Hawai'i, and members of her Administration's Dept. of Health, have REPEATEDLY confirmed that President Obama was born in Hawai'i. Read a fucking newspaper instead of the back of an oatmeal packet, dumbass.

Here's one to get you started:

“The Health Department's director reiterated yesterday that she has seen Obama's birth records.

'I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen,' Fukino said in a statement. 'I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago.'

Fukino tried on Oct. 31 to put an end to the belief among so-called 'birthers' that Obama was not born in Honolulu's Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital. The birthers insist that Obama was not born in the U.S. and is therefore ineligible to be president.

Despite Fukino's statement yesterday — and several court rulings and statements by Hawai'i's Republican governor, Linda Lingle, the issue continued to resonate from Capitol Hill to the blogosphere.”

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090…

Nor can you register a birth in Hawai'i and have it picked up by the newspaper. David Weigel has reported on this very site that the newspapers got their birth announcements directly from hospital records.

Even fucking World Net Daily confirmed the COLB is authentic:

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Fuck a duck quacking. You birthers are beyond any reasonable chance at rescue. The GOP deserves the black eye you dolts are giving it.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 4:58 am

Wow. What a coherent argument. Too bad that it's an argument for continuing to underfund public education in Appalachia.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 5:00 am

So what you're saying is that you have utterly no idea who your daddy is? You clearly don't know jack shit about Obama, so that's a fair inference.

It's ok. We won't judge you just because you're a bastard who doesn't know who his father is. Lots of black people, and white people for that matter, are in your position.

Not many of them are such whiny little cunts about it, but you have lots of time to mature. What are you, 12?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Does this “fight to save our country” involve G.I. Joe action figures, or is it something to do with the American Grand Jury?

I hope it's G.I. Joe because that would be really swell!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 5:02 am

I refuse to take lessons on the best evidence rule from someone who cannot spell college.


drlove999
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 12:56 pm

Your just another dumbass obot idiot…You ignorance of facts available in hawaii in 1961 for obtaining a COLB and the making of birth announcements is astounding..It seems incredible that otherwise rational thinking human beings could make up bullshit like the national review, but it still comes poring out like sewage from the end of a garbage hose of which u love to relish in…It is not my job to educate the dumbass assholes of the world like you…Whether u are aware of this or not (apparently not) the same information that i can get is available to u also if u would care to investigate and read, but obviously u would rather spend tme defending and running interference for this obvious fraud and usurper sitting in the white house with his bitch hate-america wife..Read the hawaiian law in 1961 and u would see u stupid sack of shit that hawaii would issue a birth certificate based on someones word..Plus the fact, no birth announcements came from any hospital in honolulu since they have NO RECORD of obamas mother or any baby being born in any hospital in hawaii..Therefore, it would be impossible for the newspapers to have obtained a birth announcement from a hospital in hawaii..However, they could have obtained a birth announcement from a “home birth” u frickin idiot…Read the law dumbass!!…Moreover, the address listed in the one “birth announcement” does not belong to stanley dunham, a member of her family or no relative whatsoever…What does that tell u moron??….It tells any reasonable person with a human brain that their is a lie, that something is wrong, but apparently not an asshole like u who is busy defending someone who has no defense…Moreover, no one on the island remembers stanley dunham pregnant either months before barrys birth or months after..Your stupidity is beyond asinine, it borders on horrific scary stupidity!!……Last but not least, do u realize idiot that obama has LIED about every single thing he has said or done since fraudulently assuming the presidency??..Now, he is going around the country touting his healthcare reform bill and he he doesnt even understand whats in it and what he does say, he is a complete liar and fool, but yet, u continue to believe him and continue to defend him…It is really sad there are stupid moronic dumba ss people like u alive on this planet…


drlove999
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

another fuckin obot idiot…Fukimo is prohibited by hawaiian law to even make the statement she allegedly did and her comments have been decried by higher authorities in hawaii…You read a fuckin newspaper u idiot..Secondly, are u really so stupid to think that fuckimo is an expert on constitutional law who would make a erroneous statement like using the constitutional term “natural born citizen” in a release??…How fuckin stupid can u be??…Is fuckimo now the highest authority in th eland on what constitutes a NBC??…Use ur head instead of just a container for storing garbage and collective bullshit trash!!..WND, later apologized about that statement and found there to be TRUTH that his COLB WAS FORGED IDIOT!!!…david Weigel has never provided any proof whatsoever that the newspapers picked up obamas birth announcements from the hospital..In fact, moron, not one hospital in hawaii has any record of stanley dunham giving birth to any child in any hospital in hawaii…If u dont believe it, find some PROOF that he was…You can spout off ur mouth all day long and ridicule people of rational intelligence and good common sense until the sun goes down, but that is not going to support ur position or ur argument one iota , u idiot!!..Plus, show me the article or whatever that dasvid weigel said what u think he said…I will tell u this…You CANNOT DO IT..hahahaha You have no proof, no evidence, nothing of value to say except bullshit…Either put up or shut up and stop defending this fraud sitting in the white house who has lied since day one about everything he has said…Really, how ignorant can u possibly be??..There is so much overwhelming circumstantial evidence to the contrary that obama is a fraud it is beyond circumstantial, it is reality and fact…If u make a statement about weigel or anyone making a statement to support ur position, tell or show where it can be found, verified and checked for veracity instead of just spewing garbage from ur mouth u ignorant scary obot…


drlove999
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

Well, the truth hurts asshole…Go cry to ur mommy!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

The only sane comment u say here is that no one knows jack shit about obama..That my little asshole friend obot is the TRUTH…His life is shrouded in secrecy and mystery…No one in america knows a damn thing about obama except he wasnt born here..He is a communist radical muslim who hates white people and is intent on destroying america..What we do know about obama is evil scary shit..Your so fuckin stupid u probably dont even realize that literally no one from columbia university, including students and faculty have ever seen obama or know of anything that he has done..They dont even remember seeing him on campus or in class or even there…Not one friend, associate or acquaintance…How did he become president of the harvard law review when he has not written any article to date for that publication??…Where is his law school thesis??…No one has seen it, read it, knows anything about it…Yes, u are defending a fraud and an enigma who has had all of his records sealed and secreted away from the american public..However, u dont find this strange and u continue to defend and support a fraud…You are a sad, sad, excuse for a human being!!….and a sorry piece of shit who would sell his soul to hell for the love of obama who is nothing, has never accomplished anything and who will go down in history as a fraud and a usurper of the white house..He is not the president, cannot be the president and will never be the president of the US…It will all be bullshit to u until history records the truth…However, knowing what an ignorant bastard u are, i bet even then, u would still be defending obama till death!!!..hahaha..You are a sick piece of shit!!!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

Please bear in mind the fact that you're not looking at a birth taking place – and being recorded – today, but rather a delivery which had been (allegedly) managed in an American hospital in 1961. “The past is a foreign land.” The question isn't what's being done now, but rather what was being done then?

The corollary question is, of course, what would be present in the archives of the hospital and the government bureau of vital statistics (state or county) today. Usually, that means “digitized” information – either manually entered from the paper documents, scanned in as a graphic element (a kind of digital “photocopy”), or scanned in with some type of optical character reader (OCR) that records the information in ASCII coding (and therefore “searchable”).

Given the way the paper forms were created decades ago, OCR scanning is probably not an option, but who knows what the geeks have (or might) come up with?

In the archives of a government bureau of vital statistics, the “long form” birth record created in the hospital is pretty much precisely what is held on file – again, either physically in a filing cabinet somewhere or in some kind of electronic record format – to support the issue of abstract (“Certification of Live Birth”) or full-content (regular “birth certificate”) signed/stamped and sealed official legal documents today.

Thus going to those archives is precisely the right thing to do when one has questions about either the completeness of an abstract (the COLB in this case) or the integrity of the information presented in computer graphic images allegedly scanned from such an abstract when those computer graphic images show all sorts of irregularities indicating that those computer graphic images of a supposed COLB might had been fabricated to show information contrary to what is in the archives.

Stop imposing your preconceived ideas on reality, okay?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Nah. We all lost.

You just haven't figured that out yet.


CalSailor
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

I've received a bunch of replies from “drlove999″ You know, folks. I'm done with him. I think he's maybe 12. He hasn't learned to spell or type, he does not understand the English language, and what “language” he has is four letter words. I obviously doesn't have an original thought, so he just uses vulgar language. He doesn't deal with anyone's post. He is just verbally abusive. I would suggest that NO ONE respond to him. The thing that immature idiots like him can't stand is to be ignored.

I am happy to discuss any issue with adults, but I've raised my kids and coped with their friends. I'm tired of dealing with this jerk. Anyone want to join me?

Pr Chris


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:02 am

CalSailor, as you can see from this thread, drlove999 has also aimed his slingshot at me.

I find his vulgarity pedestrian. I've met nuns who could curse better than he can.

I enjoy prodding the birthers who write the sort of indefensible garbage that he writes. Belligerent stupidity is amusing to me. I prefer to prod them rather than ignore them. Especially when they go out of their way to invent laws that don't exist. I just bait the hook and then yank on it at the right time.

I think that my method more clearly illustrates the idiocy and pretzel logic inherent in birtherism than simply ignoring them does.

I wouldn't fault you for ignoring anyone whose posts are as worthless as drlove's though. You and I may just have a slight difference of opinion about what constitutes an amusing use of five minutes.

Carry on.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:04 am

Who lost? Even Republicans are better off.

Even people who are just selfish and pretend to be libertarians when convenient *cough* are better off.

You haven't figured out anything except how to underline your nonsense.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Wow. I guess you told me.

I don't know for sure. I stopped reading after the part where you lied about Hawai'i giving out birth certificates based on someone's word.

All you could possibly be referring to is the situation where a kid who is a year old or older but never yet had a birth certificate could get a birth certificate on the affidavit of a family member.

But that's not Obama's situation. His birth certificate was issued four days after he was born.

I like the part where you claim that “they have NO RECORD of obamas mother or any baby being born in any hospital in hawaii.”

Wow. That's interesting. So no babies were ever born in any Hawai'ian hospital, ever, according to the records that “they” have? Well who the hell are “they” and why do you trust them when they clearly have no idea what they're talking about? Hawai'ian officials at the Department of Health certainly have records of Obama being born in Hawai'i. They've said so, repeatedly.

“It tells any reasonable person with a human brain that their is a lie…”

No. It tells any reasonable person that you failed grammar in elementary school English. “Their” is the truth.

And of course we've seen the newspaper article about Barbara Nelson, who specifically remembers Obama's birth. She also remembers his name, because it is so unusual. She taught him in elementary school, as well.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

“Your stupidity is beyond asinine, it borders on horrific scary stupidity!”

Hey, genius, that's a mirror, not your computer monitor!

Keep 'em coming. I get bored with the other birthers, each of whom has long-ago abandoned the dumbfuckery you relied heavily on in your post.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:28 am

No. Again your post is nothing but misspellings, lies, and juvenile profanity.

Fukino is not prohibited from telling the world that the records exist. She is prohibited from releasing the records. Nice try. Other birthers already gave up on that canard.

Her comments have not been “decried” by higher authorities in Hawai'i. Linda Lingle, Republican Governor of Hawai'i, also confirmed that Obama was born in Hawai'i. Oh-for-two so far, genius.

You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, if Dylan was right. Nor do you need to be a constitutional law expert like Obama to know that if you're born in the U.S., you're a natural born citizen. Swing and a miss! Strike three.

WND didn't apologize for its statement and didn't find a forgery. Here's the clarification they added:

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

(Editor's note: WND's investigation into the certification of live birth did not include inspecting the actual document, but only asking experts to evaluate the online image. Those experts, therefore, could not
'prove' the document's authenticity. The experts told WND merely that many of the forgery claims made against the image were inconclusive or falsified, leaving them no evidence that would cast doubt on the image's authenticity.) “

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

So they clarified to make clear that there is no evidence that would cast doubt on the document's authenticity. They NEVER claimed the document was forged. Maybe you're thinking of the Kenyan birf sirtifikat? Either way, that's strike four and you were already out on called strikes.

Weigel did indeed prove the point about Hawai'ian newspapers getting their information directly from hospitals:

“The problem with this? Parents and relatives don’t, and didn’t, get to place birth announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. As a Star-Bulletin employee explained to WorldNetDaily, the editors 'print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System,' and did so in 1961. And the Advertiser worked the same way.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/52625/mythbust…

I think that's five swings by you. Not so much as a foul tip yet to show for your vulgar efforts.

“You can spout off ur mouth all day long and ridicule people of rational intelligence and good common sense until the sun goes down, but that is not going to support ur position or ur argument one iota , u idiot!!..”

Stop looking in the mirror and look into your computer monitor, Einstein.

“Plus, show me the article or whatever that dasvid weigel said what u think he said…I will tell u this…You CANNOT DO IT..hahahaha”

Stop laughing and read what I just wrote. There's a link. I don't know who “dasvid” weigel is but you will find David Weigel's reported words at the link, just as I told you that you would.

“You have no proof, no evidence, nothing of value to say except bullshit.”

Wow, just can't tear yourself away from your own reflection in the mirror, huh?

That's ok. You're Oh-for-six in this post. That's close enough for birther dumbfucks. Here's your lollipop, little boy!

“u ignorant scary obot.”

You're the one who's ignorant. Glad that the truth frightens you. Don't forget to write in “Sarah Palin” on every ballot you ever see when you finally turn 18.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:30 am

Why does the truth hurt your asshole? Stop wiping your ass with newsprint. Your mom will bring home better tips from the strip club once she gets those fake tits she's been talking to you about.

And then you'll be able to afford single-ply toilet paper.

“Your so fuckin stupid” that you don't know the difference between a possessive pronoun and a contraction.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:34 am

Ooh, yeah. The Republicans are certainly better off when the economy goes completely into the tank (and it's not hit bottom yet, little incompetent lawyer), and all the scumsuckers controlling the Congress and the White House have a big “(D)” squarely in the middle of that bull's eye between their shoulder blades.

Jeez, you think that the Red Party wanted to take the public's horror and hatred and rage when the time comes to do the torches-and-pitchforks bit we're already seeing in those “town hall meeting” lynchings of National Socialist congresscritters all over the nation?

The rest of us, though? Nope. We're in a helluva lot of trouble. The U.S. dollar is headed Zimbabwe-wards, courtesy of massive currency inflation, and that alone will hurt the hell out of millions upon millions of non-government Americans – you know; the productive sector of our ever-shrinking economy.

And if the facts and the law (including the laws of economics) are against you, counselor, grab for an HTML snark, right?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:42 am

No. You failed reading comprehension as well as grammar. I didn't write that no one knows jack shit about Obama.

I wrote that YOU clearly don't know jack shit about Obama.

I'm too busy laughing about a “law school thesis” to take issue with your nonsense about no one knowing anything about Obama. Wait, no I'm not. But “your” still a fucking doofus for thinking there's such a thing as a law school thesis. Classic birther dumbfuckery.

“No one in america knows a damn thing about obama except he wasnt born here..”

No. In America, we know everything about Obama. Two books, two dozen debates, 100 speeches, 1,000 interviews, 10,000 newspaper articles, 100,000 YouTube clips, 1,000,000 eyeballs a day on his website. I'm frankly getting tired of reading Obama's biography.

Which is why I'm amusing myself by reading evidence of your lack of vocabulary, decency, credibility, or critical thinking skills.

“He is a communist radical muslim who hates white people and is intent on destroying america..”

Look behind you! It's John Lenin. I think he was adopted by a Communist Beatle!

Relax, doofus. Obama isn't going to take away mayonnaise and country music from white people. You're safe. Keep blowing into that jug. Shore does sound purty.

“What we do know about obama is evil scary shit..”

I thought you said no one knows jack shit about Obama. I guess the only common denominator in what you write is that you don't know shit.

“Your so fuckin stupid u probably dont even realize that literally no one from columbia university, including students and faculty have ever seen obama or know of anything that he has done..”

“Your” so fuckin stupid that you probably couldn't find Columbia on a map. Not the university. You couldn't find the country. Nor do you even know without looking online what fucking STATE Columbia University is in.

So why the hell would anyone believe the lies you make up about no one from Columbia knowing Obama?

Now we're back to the law school thesis. Oy.

One of my law school professors was Susan Estrich. She was the first female editor of the Harvard Law Review. She didn't write any articles for Harvard's Law Review. Edited quite a few though. Again, you failed reading comprehension. It's okay, you get an extra point for being doggedly persistent in your stupidity.

So you're up to a grand total of one point now.

“You are a sad, sad excuse for a human being.”

I'm not really willing to concede that you are a human being. Post your original long form birth certificate here first.

“He is not the president, cannot be the president and never will be the president of the US…”

You should try turning your head when you cry those words into your pillow, little one. The sobs and the pillowcase muffle your delightful protests. Don't forget to tell us that you want your country back!


drlove999
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:51 am

Your a waste of breath and time…No hawaiian official has said they have records of obama being born in a hospital in hawaii…When are u going to stop vomiting this shit up??…If u have someone who said that and it is verified by the hospital, show it to me or shut the fuck up u stupid obot lover…So what if someone taught him in elementary school…What is the fuckin importance of that u asshole??..You just have diarreah of the mouth and brain with no facts or proof to back up anything u say..Im finished with u asshole cause the energy spent on trying to educate a dumb shithead like u is worthless.Your a worthless piece of garbage…


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:56 am

An open letter to drlove999's mother:

I would like to extend an apology. I am very sorry for what has happened to your son. Despite my best efforts, and the equally good-faith efforts of other tax-paying Americans, we have failed your child. Our property, income, and sales tax dollars were intended to fund public education so that no child like drlove999 got left behind.

As tempting as it is to blame George W. Bush, we cannot simply lay the blame at his feet. We failed too.

We didn't see to it that liberal education policies became the law of the land in Appalachia. We allowed the Constitution's Tenth Amendment to be used against your children, even though the birthers (prominently including your child) now pretend that there is no such Amendment and indeed no such Constitution. States' rights. They can ignore your child's educational needs just as readily as Hawai'i can ignore the birthers' wailing protests about wanting to invade the President's state-established and federally-protected privacy rights.

We allowed Texas to teach its schoolchildren that evolution is one among equally-valid theories and that Pat Boone rode a dinosaur to Africa, which is a country at the center of the Earth, near Rand McNally. We also allowed them to learn that wearing a pendant that tells the world you are abstinent will prevent you from becoming pregnant, even when you fuck three different guys named Earl on prom night.

And, somewhere along the way, we lost our compassion. We know that when someone calls the President a “nigger,” as your son did on this thread, we are supposed to feel sorry for that person. Not the “nigger” President. He's doing just fine. Big white house and white 747 airplane and all. I mean the dolt who uses racist slurs. We know that we are supposed to recognize that anyone who says such things must be hurting and lonely and afraid.

But we got too deeply enmeshed into liberal culture, with its heavy emphasis on sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek humor. Like a pack of dogs spotting another dog's weakness and going after it without mercy, we liberals tend to mock the stupid, the ignorant, the belligerent, the arrogant, and the Republican with equal relish.

So I'm sorry for what I wrote to your son. I'm sorry only that he's too fucking stupid to understand the words I used, even though I did my best to dumb it down two or three shades.

I hope you can forgive me. If you cannot, I hope you will write me a lengthy tirade. I so enjoy reading those. Just remember to get your kid in front of a television camera and poke him in the back with a sharp stick every time he gets distracted or otherwise stops talking. We need to pump new life into this birther thing. Liberals need entertainment. Summer rerun season is still in full swing. Preseason football isn't going to cut it. So keep letting drlove999 post here. He's doing a public service.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:58 am

“I want all his school records and passports.”

People in hell want ice water.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 5:59 am

No. “Your” still losing a war against personal pronouns.

Records have been produced showing what Obama paid to various law firms for work on his Presidential campaign. These sums cover an unspecified period and total over $2.4 million. But the records are one-line ledger entries in the FEC disclosure of ALL expenditures by the Obama campaign. There is no indication whatsoever that any dollar was spent by the campaign on legal fees related to the birther issue.

In fact, there’s no indication of what ANY of that money was spent on. McCain has filed documents with the FEC showing that he spent over $1.4 million in legal fees. Yet he’s not facing any frivolous birther suits.

You just don’t understand that Presidential campaigns require legal teams and said legal teams charge what seem to you to be large sums.

The truth about the Obama legal fee nonsense is specified in that Politico article I quoted and linked you to.

I note that you have yet to post a single link in ANY of your posts to ANY person. This is because you are a liar.

Now would be a wonderful time for you to do what you keep telling me to do: “Proof [sic] it to me.”

Let’s get your exact words: “Show me the proof asshole…Its not enough to just say she did..Proof it to me..You cant and thats why ur an asshole..”

And you also wrote: “If u make a statement about weigel or anyone making a statement to support ur position, tell or show where it can be found, verified and checked for veracity instead of just spewing garbage from ur mouth”

Wow. So where, exactly, can any of your nonsense be “found, verified and checked for veracity?”

You’re “just spewing garbage” from your keyboard. For all I know you also read your words to yourself aloud as you type, in which case you are also spewing garbage from your mouth.

“Either research the facts or shut the fuck up asshole.”

You would be a funny parody of birthers if you weren’t so stupid that it’s insulting to other birthers. I don’t want to be needlessly cruel to the other birthers by pretending that your idiocy is representative of theirs.

You’re playing t-ball, and they’re playing kickball. You both keep whiffing at the plate.

But there’s no mercy rule, so keep ‘em coming.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 1:16 am

I wasn't snarking about your inability to work your computer (is it a Commodore 64 or a TS-80 or an Apple IIe? I've never figured out why that bullshit is supposed to be enlightening or amusing, test-taker.).

I was instead referring to your habit of using formatting like bold, underline, and italics to emphasis things that don't bear emphasis.

You're like those English-only speakers who say things loudly in English to get Spanish-speakers to understand them.

So are you saying that you didn't intend to underline anything? Is this like the many times when you underline or italicize your whole goddamn post? Two hours ago, days and days ago….the mind starts to go eventually, eh, Gramps?

No, the Republican PEOPLE do better under Democratic Administrations. I would go into great detail about this, since Republican ineptitude is one of my favorite subjects, but it's self-evident if you look at job creation under Democrats versus Republicans. And you don't pay attention anyway. You're too busy looking for Socialists under your bed.

In the last sixty-three years, there have been eleven Presidents. I'm not counting Obama yet, since there isn't enough data for comparison.

But if you look at the last 10 Presidents before Obama, and look at the job creation for each President, you will see that the five Democrats came in first, second, third, fourth, and fifth. The Republicans placed sixth through tenth.

Let's just look at Job Growth Per Year (figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics):

Johnson — 3.8%
Carter — 3.1
Clinton — 2.4
Kennedy — 2.3
Nixon — 2.3
Reagan — 2.1
Bush 1 — 0.6
(I don't have the heart to stick it to Bush 2, who lost jobs on his watch)

What I like about that set of data is the fact that Reagan, who I've always hated, got a big boost from the 1.4 million bureaucrats (including 183,000 federal bureaucrats) that he added to the government payrolls during his two terms, and he STILL got his ass kicked by Democrats left, right and center when it comes to job creation. Reagan bloated the budget and had paranoid delusions befitting a test-taker when it came to “socialized medicine,” as he amusingly referred to Medicare, yet that program is now the only thing anyone can ever think of that Reagan “accomplished” that was worth a shit. Oh, that and he gave us the words “welfare queen” and “Iran-Contra.” So I guess that's three things.

So yeah, Republicans as citizens are better off under a Democratic President.

The facts and the law are against you, test-taker. Pity that you cannot find any HTML markup errors in MY posts to snark about.


drlove999
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 1:35 am

You are the most idiotic stupid moron i have ever writen back to in my life…There are no strikes against me little boy of pissin in ur pants to defend obama..fukimo would not know what a natural born citizen is if it bit her on the ass and neither do u..She hjas no constitutional education and is not qualified to make such an absurd statement..If u had an ounce of a brain, u would know this, but then again, ur an idiot..Also, the governor of hawaii never said she has proof obama was born in hawaii…Show me the proof asshole…Its not enough to just say she did..Proof it to me..You cant and thats why ur an asshole..Because u are born in the US does not make u a NBC, but then again ur an idiot, so why would i even begin to think u would study and investigate this issue for urself…Millions of people know what im saying is truth, but obviously, u dont!!..Im curious why u failed to mention the latter revelations by WND concerning the forged online COLB of obama…Interesting u just mention statements favorable to support ur position, but u failed to mention later findings and corroborated evidence…Lets see…How many strikes is that against u so far??…hahaha I never siad famil;y placed the advertisements in the newspapers u fuckin idiot….I said that his or her grandparents filed a bogus birth claim provided by the state of hawaii in 1961 that became a vital record and was later piced up by the newspapers who sought out information on bierths and deaths every friday in hawaii from the bureau of vital statistics..Apparently u fail to realize hawaii was just admitted into the union in 1959 and 2 years later in 1961, hawaii was having a hell of a time registering births and getting records filed..Some were authenticated by hospitals and some were not, especially those sent in as home births..They accepted them on the testimony of one witness…This is why asshole, no hospital in hawaii has any record of obama being born there..And when i looked at the link to the washington post u sent me, u should read the comments filed thereunder and u would see some interesting comments made about obamas COLB and his failure to produce his original long form birth certificate..I can tell u this, obama does not have a lonmg form birth certificate cause he was NOT born in a hospital there…A compelling reason to spend a million dollars to date on lawyers to keep that record sealed..You know, just one final note to u asshole and this is it..No one spends a million dollars to hide a $15 birth certificate unless u have something to hide..That fact standing alone with no other issue beside it is evidence enough that obama is afraid of something..Theres something he doesnt want the public to see and hes content to spit in millions of american faces (including yours i might add) and spend upwards over a million dollars on lawyers to hide such an innocuous document as a birth certificate…People born before obama and even 2 years after obama have COLB's with the name of the hospital, attending physician, addresses of both mother and father and any other people present that obama should have the exact same document, yet he refuses to produce it…If this was the only fact surrounding the mystery of obamas birth place it is enough to raise suspicion in the minds and hearts of reasonable people everywhere that something is terribly wrong with this picture..You can spin this fact all u want, but nothing will detract from the obvious…In conclusion, dont write anymore cause u are a waste of my time and energy..I have just struck u out and u are left bleeding and dying on the sidewalk…I will walk past u and let u die there without calling 911 cause quite frankly, the world does not need assholes like u….


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 1:40 am

You cannot spell diarrhea. Why would I ever indulge you in your idiocy?

Oh yeah, for the fun of it. I'm nowhere near finished with YOU, asshole!

Read about Barbara Nelson, who remembers Obama being born at Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu, according to a January 20, 2009 article in a Buffalo, NY newspaper that you'll really want to curse about:

“When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible today to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.

'I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,' said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,” she recalls.

His response: 'Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.'

The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.

'I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,' said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the 'Stanley' connection.

She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby’s father was the first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the baby’s name.

'I remember Dr. West saying ‘Barack Hussein Obama, now that’s a musical name,' said Nelson, who grew up in Kenmore and went to Hawaii in 1959 to be in Jo-Anne’s wedding party. When Nelson was offered a job as a newspaper reporter and photographer at her friend’s wedding reception, it led to her living in Hawaii for 47 years. She returned to Kenmore in 2006.

Ten years after that memorable birth announcement, Nelson would hear the Obama name again. This time, the father, now a Kenyan government official, was coming to speak at the Punahou School in Honolulu where Nelson was teaching and where his 10-year-old son was a newly enrolled fifth-grader.

'Dr. Obama had this lovely, attentive manner,' she said. 'When he answered the children’s questions, he would do it as a story, which is the way they do it in Kenya.'

'His son, whom he hadn’t seen in eight years, seemed as fascinated as we all were,' said Nelson, who went on to be a high school principal, a harpist, a watercolor artist and poet.

A few years later, Nelson encountered 'Barry' again, when she watched high school basketball games, where her students played.

'The team came alive when he got on the court,' she said. 'He was not only quick and graceful, but he could see the pattern and zero in on the opening. Though he wasn’t a starter, he was a graceful, passionate athlete who played back-up forward. He had a definite presence on the court.'

'I often sat with his grandmother, who was a no-nonsense woman with these very solid Midwestern ways about her,' said Nelson. 'She loved that boy and he adored her.'

As a high school teacher of British, Biblical and Middle Eastern literature, Nelson taught Obama.

'He wasn’t usually the first one to speak, but he was an attentive, active listener,' she said. 'While the others might be bouncing off the surface, he came straight from the center. He picked up on the patterns of ideas and then he’d make a statement that moved the class to the focal point.'

'He also had a lovely, engaging sense of humor,' Nelson said. 'He was firm, but he wasn’t aggressive or in your face.'

During one class the question was posed 'of what should we be most afraid,' drawing answers that included 'death,' 'hell,' 'biological warfare,' 'fear' and 'isolation,' said Nelson.

'I recall Barack sitting in the back of the room,' Nelson said, demonstrating a hands-behind-his-head pose and describing his lanky, outstretched legs.

'When he pulled himself upright I thought 'Bingo. Here we go,'” she said, expecting the discussion to move to a new level.

'And he said, “Words. Words are the power to be feared most. Every individual has an unmonitored arsenal and whether they are directed personally or internationally, words can be weapons of destruction.'”

It was such moments that led Nelson to honor Obama at his 1979 graduation with the traditional draping of a lei around his neck.

'I had a yellow plumeria tree and I could get only enough blossoms to make five leis,' she said. 'I had taught more than 200 students, but one of those leis went around the shoulders of Barack Obama.'

Years later, the ideas Obama expressed resonated as Nelson wrote 'War of the Words' which includes the lines: 'I fear the powerful pugnacious words, Weapons that miss the flesh and pierce the heart.' (Songs of Honor, 2006).

In the author’s notes, Nelson describes the classroom discussion with Obama that inspired the poem and she adds this information: 'Interestingly, this former student is now a very wise, articulate U. S. senator.'”

http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html

Hope you enjoyed that, genius. Have you found ANY proof of ANY of the garbage you're recycling here? Didn't think so. Have you learned to spell simple words? Obviously not. You can't spell diarrhea, remember?

Oh wait, now you're adding things. You want me to find a verification FROM THE HOSPITAL. Sorry, that's where that whole Tenth Amendment thing comes in. Hospital records are legally not availabl, pursuant to long-existing Hawai'ian state law. But there's no dispute from the Kapi'olani Medical Center that Obama was born there.

All this is specified both in the snopes link I gave you above, as well as in the Hawai'ian newspaper link I gave you before. Oh, and the National Review link I gave you has more on the subject, but you don't like the National Review. How do you feel about the Wall Street Journal? Probably not good. They said “birthers are lunatics.”

Check it out:

“But a 'controversy' has arisen over President Obama’s birthplace. We use those scare quotes advisedly, because there’s no real dispute over the matter, just some nuts with a conspiracy theory, a handful of Republican lawmakers who have been either foolish or fearful enough to lend some credibility to the theory, and Democrats who have spotted an excellent opportunity to make the GOP look foolish.”

“Conspiracy theories are by nature unfalsifiable, since all evidence against them is recast as evidence of the conspiracy’s breadth and effectiveness.”

“It would not surprise us if there does turn out to be a racist strain among the birther fringe. After all, birthers are lunatics and racists are lunatics. It does not follow, however, that all lunatics are racists.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702…

So, you're not just a racist. You're not just a lunatic. You're a nut with a conspiracy theory! And all that is according to the Wall Street Journal. Wow. No wonder you feel so picked on that you want to take your ball and go home.

That's fucking hilarious! You call everyone who dares to believe in reality a “fuckin moron” or some other such silly juvenile profane smear, and then when someone rubs your nose in your own shitty writing, you have suddenly had enough and want to quit. Sorry. Didn't work for Sarah Palin, won't work for you.

“Your a worthless piece of garbage.”

Your war on personal pronouns has been noted.

For now, I will leave you with a reply courtesy of the esteemed Randwulf aka randypuppy:

“Your [sic] a pathetic waste of salt.”

Note, little one, that “[sic]” does not mean you're sick. It means randypuppy is also fighting the same losing battle against grammar that you are.

Run along until your mother calls you back inside to talk about what I wrote to her at the top of the thread.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 2:05 am

Wow. That is a lot of words. None of those words is persuasive. Few of them are spelled correctly. You do not include ANY links and you lied about the links I gave you.

I never, for example, cited you to the Washington Post. Your lie about that is just silly.

So is your attempt to get out from underneath the crushing weight of the World Net Daily article that says there is no evidence to suggest the COLB was forged. The parenthetical editor's note that is in the second WND quote I gave you IS the update. It does not say the COLB was forged. In fact it says the opposite. It says that their forgery experts could find no evidence of forgery!

You're a giant dumbass standing on the shoulders of midget dumbasses.

How about YOU show me a link to the WND article you fabricated.

I won't bother asking you for a link to the nonsense about a million dollars in legal fees. I will, however, show you where you got that lie from. Here's a Politico article from March 2009 that explains the genesis of the “Obama is spending a million bucks on lawyers to hide his birth certificate” nonsense, along with a lot of other interesting tidbits about your silly birther racist conspiracy theory:
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“Bill Clinton had the Vince Foster “murder.” George W. Bush had 9/11 Truth. And the new administration has brought with it a new culture of conspiracy: The Birthers.

Out of the gaze of the mainstream and even the conservative media is a flourishing culture of advocates, theorists and lawyers, all devoted to proving that Barack Obama isn't eligible to be president of the United States. Viewed as irrelevant by the White House, and as embarrassing by much of the Republican Party, the subculture still thrives from the conservative website WorldNetDaily, which claims that some 300,000 people have signed a petition demanding more information on Obama's birth, to Cullman, Alabama, where Sen. Richard Shelby took a question on the subject at a town hall meeting last week.

Their confinement to the fringe hasn't cooled the passion of believers; the obscure New York preacher James Manning turned up at a National Press Club session in December to declare the president “the most notorious criminal in the history not just of America, but of this entire planet.”

A quick reality check, before we dive in: The challenges to Obama's eligibility have no grounding in evidence. Courts across the country have summarily rejected the movement's theory — that Obama can't be a citizen because his father wasn't —as a misreading of U.S. law; and Hawaii officials, along with contemporary birth announcements, affirm that Obama was in fact born in Honolulu in 1961.

But belief in obscure, discredited theories is a constant in a country with a history of partisan division — a country in which, a recent survey showed, 34 percent of the public believes in UFOs and 24 percent believes in witches..

But the thriving birth-obsessed fringe also poses political risks and opportunities for the Obama White House, coming as it does after a campaign that devoted a substantial effort to rebutting another, now fading, myth — that Obama is a Muslim who would insist on being sworn in on the Koran.

The risk, of course, is the growth of a segment of the population, however small, that views the president as illegitimate.

“Some individuals and groups who are opposed to Obama's presidency want an 'acceptable' reason to cite to convince other individuals and groups who might be on the fence to join in their way of thinking,” said Patricia Turner, who studies rumors at the University of California, Davis. “The notion that his presidency is actually in violation of the Constitution has a fundamentally patriotic appeal.”

The opportunity for the White House? It's one of which some conservatives are sharply aware — that the Birthers may discredit Obama's more mainstream enemies.

“At some level, they're not that bad to have around because it reminds people that under the mainstream conservative press there's this bubbling up of really irrational hatred for the guy,” said former Clinton White House press secretary Jake Siewert.

Siewert recalled that his predecessor, Mike McCurry, sometimes deliberately called on a conservative radio host, Lester Kinsolving, just to undercut more mainstream criticism of the president.

“He would let them ask a question specifically to take the heat off the more legitimate line of questioning, maybe, and remind people that there were people out there who really had some wacko views,” Siewert recalled.

Conservatives see that hazard.

The conservative talk show host Michael Medved recently referred to the movement's leaders as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters” who are “the worst enemy of the conservative movement.”

“It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company,” he mourned.

One of the lead anti-Obama lawyers, Orly Taitz, a California dentist with a degree from an online law school, promptly threatened to sue Medved for defamation. Taitz, whose clients include soldiers challenging Obama's citizenship, has called on her blog's readers to “fight these communist Nazi thugs and hoodlums that took over our government,” and told POLITICO that the wide refusal to take her case seriously is “totalitarian.”

The White House is, presently, ignoring the birth certificate questions, having released an official copy of the Hawaii certificate during the presidential campaign. The press aide once tasked with quashing viral rumors, Ben LaBolt, no longer follows the fringe. But lawyers for the Democratic National Committee and for Obama have been steadily batting down a stream of lawsuits, winning motions to dismiss the suits in courts from Pennsylvania to Hawaii, from the state level to the United States Supreme Court.

To believers, the legal engagement itself is evidence that something's afoot.

“[Obama] is spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars to keep this information from getting out,” said Gary Kreep, the lawyer representing former presidential candidate Alan Keyes, who sued Obama in California to prevent the state from certifying its election results.

Keyes recently called the citizenship issue “the greatest crisis this nation has ever seen” and warned of “chaos, confusion and civil war.”

Kreep has been battling Obama's California lawyer, Fredric Woocher, to release the president's records from Occidental College on the theory that they might provide information about his citizenship.

Woocher has threatened to seek sanctions against Kreep for pursuing the case.

“This suit, like all of the others that have been filed challenging Obama's qualifications for the Presidency, is frivolous,” he said in an email to POLITICO, adding that he is, in fact, working pro bono. “There is absolutely no truth to the stories about the untold millions supposedly being paid to us,” he said.

Most of the lawsuits seek documents and express dissatisfaction with the State of Hawaii's refusal to release for public inspection Obama's original birth certificate rather than the notarized copy typically issued. The state's governor, Linda Lingle, has attested to the authenticity of the birth certificate, and Hawaii law forbids its release; Kreep blamed Democratic control of Hawaii for the refusal to release it. (Lingle is a Republican.)

The suits share a vague, underlying notion that Obama must be some sort of foreigner, probably Kenyan, Indonesian or British, though none have any evidence or a coherent narrative to support the claim. Some argue that while Obama was born in the United States, the fact that his father was a British subject should rule him out – an interpretation that may also, inconveniently, have made President Chester Arthur ineligible to serve, and which goes against long-settled law that American citizenship is conferred by birth in the United States. Others imagine that Obama was smuggled into the country as an infant, a claim contradicted by state records and contemporaneous birth announcements in two Honolulu papers.

The movement has also faced internal divisions. Kreep, a well-known conservative litigator, expressed some discomfort with his main East Coast counterpart, Phil Berg, a former Pennsylvania prosecutor who has also sued President George W. Bush to claim that he was complicit in the September 11 attacks.

“I don't ascribe to all his theories about 9/11 and all that,” Kreep said of Berg.

The movement has its occasional moments in the sun. When Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media hinted darkly at citizenship questions at the Conservative Political Action Conference, he was loudly applauded, and the clip of his speech circulated with equal speed among birth certificate theorists and liberal activists.

David Emery, an expert on urban legends who writes for About.com, said the citizenship rumor has been fueled by an unusually “deep well of revulsion toward Barack Obama himself, and rage.”

“Thanks to the relentless agitation of the conspiracy theorists and the sheer quantity of hypothetical scenarios and legal arguments floating around, they've clearly succeeded in planting unreasonable doubts in reasonable people's minds,” he said.

But, ignored by the left and the mainstream media and dismissed by the courts, the citizenshp movement find its bitterest disappointments coming from the right.

“Untold numbers of people have asked us to look into it,” said Tom Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch, which recently sued to block Hillary Clinton, on technical grounds connected to her Senate seat, from taking the position of secretary of state.

“When we sued over Hillary ineligibility there were a lot of folks saying, 'Why weren't you suing over Obama's ineligibility?'” he said..

Fitton said he hadn't “seen any credible evidence Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen eligible for the presidency.”

“If people understood better what the law is, I don't think they'd be as concerned as they are,” he said.

Others have been less polite. Conservative bloggers regularly mock the “Birthers,” as they're dismissively known, just as liberal blogs like DailyKos purged the 9/11 “Truthers” from their ranks in the Bush years.

The conspiracy theorists are “embarrassing and destructive” the conservative activist David Horowitz wrote recently.

Even Kreep, who was the toast of the conservative movement for representing the anti-immigration Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, has found the work a bit thankless.

'They say, “Get a life,” he said of his fellow conservatives,' he said.

Meanwhile, the Birthers' persistence has prompted another, competing conspiracy theory on the right.

'I'm not a conspiracist, but this could be a very big conspiracy to make conservatives disgrace themselves,' Medved said.”

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=BF5…
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Wow. Did you get all that? Gary Kreep pulled the million-dollar-legal-fee-re-birthers thing out of his ass!

Aw, little one, I don't blame you for not noticing that; I'm sure you were more fixated on the mean names that CONSERVATIVES are calling you birthers!

Myself, I kinda liked the part where Orly Taitz threatened to sue Medved for defamation!

But I'm sure you didn't fail to notice the truth in there. You know, the part about how birthers are discrediting the conservatives' policy-based attacks on Obama.

THAT, little one, is why I so enjoy the delusional and misspelled rants down birther lane that you and your ilk have graced us with. I enjoy knowing that every time one of you utters his mouth, a Republican voter dies a little death inside the voting booth. And a Republican voice that would otherwise yell something about a death panel goes unheard.

So rant on! And don't worry about breaking up your gibberish into paragraphs. You already went oh-for-six. So that's two outs. I didn't count this post. We'll just pretend that Orly Taitz pinch-hit for you.

Batter, I mean birther, up!

“In conclusion, dont write anymore?” Wow. I can only hope you weren't talking to yourself as usual. I wouldn't tell you “dont write anymore.”

First of all, I wouldn't ever write that, since I'm not an idiot and I know what an apostrophe is.

Second, I get too much amusement out of watching your attempts at literacy to wish you to go away. I wouldn't mind seeing a link to any of your bullshit, but I know your Aunt Gladys doesn't publish her newsletter online, so you cannot provide any links and never bother trying.

So, you moved from telling me that YOU quit to asking ME to quit? LMAO! No fucking way, doofus.

See you next time your mother lets you hop on the computer.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 2:49 am

If you don't have any markup errors in your posts, little stevie (by the way, “HTML” means “HyperText Markup Language,” so “HTML markup” is redundant), it's because you don't try. Tsk.

Now we get to government-worshiping little stevie wanting to credit “job creation” to the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-confabulating (“Bureau of Labor Statistics”), wonderful federal government all the jobs created during each of our last 10 presidential administrations.

As if.

Presidents and congresscritters do not create jobs – unless one refers to federal tax parasite positions, whose “jobs” are a net loss for the economy as a whole.

Y'see, little incompetent stevie, productive human action in the economy comes with meeting a real demand, by which is meant the creation of goods or services that real people are willing to turn resources (chiefly money) from other purposes to acquire those goods or services.

Could be anything. Microwave ovens or crock pots. Big, honking SUVs or little one-lung squeezemobiles. Aunt Edna's clunky old Ford Fairlane or Fast Eddie's speedy Ford Mustang (both of 'em built with the same chassis, suspension, and drivetrain components).

But people gotta want it. Not have it forced upon them by politicians and bureaucrats. That way, the jobs created are likely to stick around a while. There is real sustainability.

But tax-consuming government “jobs”? If they do some good somewhere, that's purely secondary. Rep. Murtha wants a big, huge airport in Johnstown named after him, and it only serves four flights a day – all of 'em to Washington City? Hey, that's government spending creating jobs in his district, right?

And what happens when Rep. Murtha gets indicted or voted out of office or just plain dead? Does that airport (and those jobs) survive? Nope. And what was it that didn't get built or done with the millions and millions of dollars Murtha effectively stole from taxpayers all over the nation in order to get that monument to his ego constructed and operating?

“That Which is Seen and That Which is Not Seen.” Yet a bit more Bastiat.

Government waste levels under particular thugs-in-office (and resulting carefully massaged “Bureau of Labor Statistics” numbers) don't really mean anything in the valuation of productive effort struggling to survive their “Malevolent Jobholder” machinations.

Oh, and of course you “liked Bill Clinton,” little stevie. Sexual harassment in the Oval Office as well as in Little Rock, plenty of indications he'd raped several women outright, leakage of classified information to the Red Chinese from his White House, paralytic responses in Bosnia and subsaharan Africa and Central Asia, the magnificent “Mogadishu Mile” in Somalia.

Hey, what's not for little stevie to like about Bubba?

If only he were black…. Sigh!


drlove999
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 3:50 am

The barbara nelson story has been entirely debunked…..hahaahah What a fuckin idiot u are…She even stated that the buffalo news article u cite misrepresented what she said….Damn man, do some research u ignorant piece of shit…Dr. west stopped delivering babies 5 years before obama was born..Now, u dont think it strange that a woman would just be dining with a retired doctor who just out of the blue would mention a birth of obama and that this lady would write it down on a napkin and wait years to comment about it???..hahahah You are one piece of major do do….hahaah You can spew diareah all day long about barbara nelson, but everything u said about her is an absolute LIE U FUCKIN MORON….Have u ever considered going into journalism>?….Im sure msnbc, cnn, abc or nbc would love to have an idiot like u reporting for them…hahaha You just cant get ur facts straight…You live in a fuckin obama kool-aid world u ignorant sack of shit….


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 3:59 am

I would engage you on your nonsense, but I'm too eager to find out more about what you tantalizingly referred to as “plenty of indications he'd raped several women outright.”

See, that seems to me to be one of those “positive assertion” dealies that you're always sputtering about. It's what you write about when you indicate that the burden of proof is always upon the disputant advancing the positive assertion.

But enough of my refreshing your recollection of gibberish you spout in many posts. On with your presentation of proof that Clinton raped anyone. This will be interesting enough to postpone passing more studying tips to the unlicensed drlove999.


drlove999
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 4:01 am

Your still full of shit….records have been produced by obamas lawyers showing exactly what they have charged him and how much he has paid these lawyers to keep his birth certificate and all his records sealed…You have to be the stupidest piece of shit on earth…I keep telling u to do ur own research asshole..All these facts about obamas lawyers and their fees are available for u to see just like they are for me…hahaah..Your a total waste of breath!!!..Get a life asshole…Either research the facts or shut the fuck up asshole…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 4:27 am

On Bubba Clinton's misogyny and sexual criminality, what really is there to dispute? Is there really any need for support for such an assertion?

Yet another lawyer lying his way out of the traps into which his stupidity and power-lust and disregard for people's rights had led him.

Jeez, no wonder little stevie admires him so.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 9:34 am

“so until u do what i ask out of you, u wont get shit from me..But like i said in my previous letter, u wont take me up on the challenge cause ur scared shitless just like the rest of ur obama kool-aid drinkin friends..The one thing i hate about bitches like u is that u give a challenge, it is acepted, and then u sorry chicken shit asswipe, BACK DOWN!!!.”

You were initially requested to post your birth certificate online. You are the one who isn’t doing what is requested. You just responded to the request by asking for the other person’s mailing address. No. You’re the one waxing functionally illiterate about transparency.

You are the “sorry chicken shit asswipe” who never proves any of his wild, nonsensical, absurd, misspelled accusations. You rant constantly about how misinformed everyone else is and you lament having to educate us all. Yet you have no proof whatsoever of any of your lies.

Oh yeah, that’s why. Because you constantly lie.

You suck even as parody. You’re too far off the scale to be funny. Study Florida Christian. Or a dictionary. Go for both!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 4:36 am

I will repeat my question.

Have you got ANY proof of any of the nonsense you claim?

Take, for example, your claims about Barbara Nelson. Show us where the “story has been entirely debunked.”

Then show us where “She even stated that the buffalo news article u cite misrepresented what she said.”

Because, you see, they quoted her at length. It's like telling your wife that that a ten-minute phone call you just had with your mistress was a wrong number.

Your next task will be to prove that Dr. West “stopped delivering babies 5 years before Obama was born.”

So that's three things you claimed before telling me to “do some research.”

When you post back to tell me more misspelled drivel, I will correctly assume that you have no proof of any of your lies, which is why you try to dress them up with profanity.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 4:47 am

Woah! Little stevie went in and edited his post again after the email flew. Wotta cutie. It had read (when I began to type a reply a bit earlier) the following in full:


I would engage you on your nonsense, but I'm too eager to find out more about what you tantalizingly referred to as “plenty of indications he'd raped several women outright.”

See, that seems to me to be one of those “positive assertion” dealies that you're always sputtering about. It's what you write about when you indicate that the burden of proof is always upon the disputant advancing the positive assertion.

But enough of my refreshing your recollection of gibberish you spout in many posts. On with your presentation of proof that Clinton raped anyone. This will be interesting enough to postpone passing more studying tips to the unlicensed drlove999.

Now there' s no mention of Bubba Clinton at all. Ain't that just like little “Ministry of Truth” stevie?

On John Murtha-Cambria County Airport there's a nice little recent CNN write-up” about how “[Murtha's] dumped in nearly $200 million into this project that has virtually no passengers. It's practically a museum piece,” said Steve Ellis with the Taxpayers for Common Sense.

And Earlier this year, the airport found a new revenue stream, receiving $800,000 from the stimulus to repave a crosswind runway that's used as a backup to the facility's main landing runway.

That's a helluva lot of taxpayer cash diverted to support an airport that is not viable on the basis of actual use. More, from that CNN article:

Murtha airport's manager said taxpayer money is going to waste at his facility, but not on the runway project.

He points to an unstaffed $8 million air traffic radar system installed in 2004.

“It's been sitting over there, and that radar has been spinning for all those years with no purpose. Just sitting there,” Voelker said.

So Murtha dies or gets indicted or simply gets run out of Congress in the next election, and the supply of porkfat dries up. What happens to the John Murtha-Cambria County Airport</a? which is nowhere near sustainability on the merits of its own value?

Oh, but little stevie (the economic ignoramus) says: “Airports are always good for a local economy” and “Airports also employ people” and “it does not matter, strictly speaking, whether they are somehow a profit-generator for a local economy.”

So when John Murtha-Cambria County Airport ceases to get the earmark taxpayer dollars that are keeping it on life support, how is it going to be “good for [the] local economy,” 'cause it won't be able to “employ people” unless it can “somehow [succeed as] a profit-generator for [the] local economy”?

Well, it can't. It's gonna die. And all those people in Johnstown who depend for their jobs (directly or indirectly) on Mr. Murtha's porkfest are gonna be screwed.

How's that for “Change We Can Depend On,” little stevie?

The laws with which you can't argue, little lawyer, are the laws of economics.

Facts, too.

So what now? “Attack the plaintiff”?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 4:53 am

Tsk. HTML problems. Embedded links are:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/23/murtha.a… for the CNN write-up

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar… for one of a number of articles in The Washington Post demonstrating that even a “Liberal” newspaper thinks that Murtha's porkfest is a bleeding, horrible, cancerous waste of money

http://www.gadling.com/2009/04/26/john-murtha-a… for an article on Murtha's boondoggle spending whacking great amounts of out-of-district taxpayer money for a monstrous C-5 Starlifter-capable facility running nothing but puddlejumper commuter flights


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 5:12 am

I'll leave aside your HTML problems. Of course my post still says the part about Clinton. It's at the end.

I just hadn't read your post closely enough when I first indicated I wouldn't indulge your nonsense. I was most interested in the B.S. about Clinton.

It wasn't until I read that you think a 3 flight a day airport is “big, huge” that I had to edit my post.

Your reasoning is worse than your HTML.

First of all, you need to consider the source you're quoting from. If, for example, you ask Grover Norquist whether something is a waste of tax dollars, I can give you fairly good odds on what his answer will be.

That aside, you assume that no private planes use that airport. I am sure that some private planes use it, just as private planes use all regional airports. Those planes are owned by people or entities, who in any event pay taxes and fees for the privilege of takeoff, landing, and hangar storage at the airport.

You also assume that if Murtha dies, no Congressional representative would replace him, or that if one did, that person would be indifferent to job security. Job security means being productive. Being productive, for a Congressional representative, means bringing in more dollars than you send out.

Where is this plaintiff you're waiting for me to attack? I thought Orly was in Israel boning up on auto body repair or something. Have the birthers gone on without her?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 5:22 am

Wait. You have three links.

One says misogyny and sexual criminality. It goes to one of the birther stories on this website. I can only assume you're referring to one of your sexist posts where you talk about butt-fucking the President.

The second link is to judicialwatch.org, which I note isn't exactly non-partisan, and its profile of some aspects of Kathleen Willey's story. Willey, I'm sure you recall, made up nonsense about a sexual advance (not a rape!) by the President, and then pretended to sue for invasion of privacy when the White House released some of her communications with the President proving that she was just a disgruntled also-ran who for some reason wasn't sexy to the President. (The White House was perfectly justified in doing so, since she had called the President's character into question in a civil suit, and she was subject to being impeached with the only evidence the President could bring forward to clear his name. It did clear his name, which is why no one remembers who the hell Kathleen Willey is.)

The third link is to a Wikipedia entry about Paula Jones. I assume you didn't write it yourself. But you must have seen “The Hunting of the American President,” which is a documentary, not a movie. In said documentary, the people who helped Paula Jones fabricate her ENTIRE story stare right into the camera and admit what they did.

But you didn't need a documentary to know that Paula Jones was just making up a story because she was offended that the President didn't find her attractive, right? I mean, you WERE an American citizen during Clinton's second term, right? I don't want to assume that you never read a newspaper or turned on a television from 1995 – 1999.

Not one of those links even purports to be about rape (unless we have to count YOUR posts at the birther story link, which may well include graphic depictions of a DIFFERENT President raping or being raped, alternately).

Neither of the two links you actually managed to attach to something about Clinton is persuasive even for the points the links attempt to advance.

You piqued my curiosity when you indicated you had “many indications” that Clinton “raped several women outright.” I expected more than Wikipedia about Paula Jones and the judicialwatch summary of some chick who is barely more than a footnote in the Starr Report.

Unless you've got more on this, let's stick with that big, huge airport and its magical attachment to John Murtha.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 5:28 am

But, test-taker, let's not forget the point.

Even if we ever get you to notice that the airport would cost just as much, and bring in just as much, even if it was named Test-Taker Libertarsocialist Airport, there is still no argument in any of these links that GOVERNMENT is inept, evil, or bad.

I am not an apologist for government. I know that you are incapable of understanding what you read, so I won't belabor that. I acknowledge that government sometimes is inefficient and spends more money for an item than the item is worth on the open market. This is again a function of bad actors, not a bad government. People abuse systems when they perceive personal benefit disproportionate to personal risk.

That said, the fact that government can be inefficient is not an argument against being governed. It is, as I indicated, an argument against being governed by the particular set of governors who are mismanaging the checkbook.

Airports are necessary. Someone besides John Murtha thought this one was necessary, because he did not get it built by himself.

When you have a tendency to blame one person, say Obama or Murtha, for a complex situation that you find problematic, it is no wonder you cannot find any takers for the nonsense you're selling here.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 5:47 am

Writes little stevie:

“Even if we ever get you to notice that the airport would cost just as much, and bring in just as much, …there is still no argument in any of these links that GOVERNMENT is inept, evil, or bad.”

It is if the bloody airport as it is – a massive, underutilized, costly waste of taxes that cannot possibly survive once the graft is withdrawn – doesn't do anything for any economy anywhere (not even in Cambria County, really). It is a classic malinvestment, a “bridge to nowhere” that pulls human, material, and financial resources away from other uses and dumps them into John Murtha's district where they achieve suboptimal benefit only, and in the long run – after John Murtha is dead or displaced – no benefit whatsoever.

And yet little stevie insists that “Airports are necessary.”

Sure they are. But for commuter runs to Washington City (the only ones that leave John Murtha-Cambria County Airport), military-grade facilities capable of receiving C-5 Starlifter transport aircraft (which are being worked out of the Air Force inventory in favor of more capable C-17 Globemaster III planes, so how the hell are those runways necessary at all?) are nothing but a waste.

Sort of a Great Pyramid project built with hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to the glory of a single National Socialist porkmeister.

And if you'll follow some of the links I've laid down, you'll be able to trace similar porkfest wastes to other senior Boot-On-Your-Neck Party legislators. There's more than enough to go around on both sides of the aisle.

John Murtha's “legal plunder” is just a really nice example. That's all.

Gives new meaning to the expression “shovel-ready,” don't it, little stevie?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 6:10 am

Well, the first link was meant to provide access to William L. Anderson's “It's the Ideology, Stupid” (May 7, 2005), and thanks for pointing out the error. All about Bubba's misogyny and sexual criminality. You can get more on Bubba's total package of sexual harassment and outright rape there.

I suggest that for a good summary of Bubba's sexual predator practices, you look into Their Lives: The Women Targeted by the Clinton Machine by Candice E. Jackson, as recommended by Mr. Anderson.

Jeez, it's no wonder they sent Bubba to North Korea to pick up a couple of good-looking babes. The feds just had to make sure there were always armed guards between him and them all the way back to the Land of the Big PX.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 6:48 am

Yeah, John Murtha-Cambria County Airport is “big, huge.” Too damned big to be viable, too damned big to serve the limited number and types of flights that come into and go out of that place. What ought to be more like the airport in Great Bend, Kansas, is capable of taking the biggest damned planes in the U.S. Air Force's inventory.

As for whatever “private planes” – one- or two-engine Beech or Cessna grasshoppers – might use John Murtha-Cambria County Airport, just how the hell do those bitty birds come to need an $8 million radar set-up, or IFR tower capabilities when all of 'em fly on VFR and could just as easily land on the kinds of tower-less short private strips that are two or three to a county even in high-density population states like Connecticut and Rhode Island and New Jersey?

Little stevie, you know even less about aviation than you do about economics.

You could put a B-52 down on that runway in Murtha's monument to his own ego, and take it off afterward. Not that you could arm it up or even do much to refuel it there without a buncha prior logisical planning. What the hell gives with that? Dispersal fields are needed in southwestern Pennsylvania? We got some kind of Taliban activity going on in West Virginia?

And no matter how Murtha is excised from his seat in the Congress, whoever replaces him is gonna be junior as all hell, without the clout Mr. Monument Builder has accumulated.

No seniority, no committee chairmanships, no “back-scratching” ability, no pork.

That airport dies.

Cop a clue, little stevie. Your fixation on defending Murtha's “legal plunder” is so completely dead-on-arrival that even the organ harvesting team can't find anything to scavenge.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 8:47 am

No. Even if we grant, for purposes of argument, that the airport “doesn't do anything for any economy anywhere” (which I note in passing is logically an impossible absurdity), that still does not mean that government is itself is inept, evil, or bad.

Assuming the airport is built to specifications that are beyond what it is presently used for, that does not mean it is not forward-thinking to build things better than you presently need them to be. Saves money and time spent trying to upgrade later on.

Many two-lane-each-way highway roads that connect cities to suburbs should have been built as four-lanes-each-way, but when they were built no one imagined that enough people would live so far away from the cities to make the extra expense and extra condemned land worthwhile.

But that is a minor matter. The real point is, let's assume for argument's sake that the airport is a total and complete waste of money and benefits no one, not even the people and entities employed to construct and operate it. Oops. You know what I mean.

That still only shows you that a process within government has been abused by human beings to fund a project that should not have been funded.

It does not show you that government is the problem.

If I showed you a bad product, for example, New Coke, that is not evidence that corporations are inherently useless because they sometimes make bad products. It tells you that the VP of new products or whatever at Coca-Cola should have been better at his or her job.

Government is where Willie Sutton would now choose to operate, because it's where the money is. That is reality. I am not opining about whether that reality is good or evil. It simply is fact that money and power are in government. Thus people in controlling positions in government dispense money through the use of their power, and dispense power with their control of money.

It is not surprising that human beings, true to their Hobbesian nature, tend to benefit themselves where they can. Some people are less scrupulous than others, but everyone is somewhere right of “perfect” on a spectrum. This is not unique to government and says nothing about government.

There may well, in short, be examples of government waste or outright corruption. But this is an argument for better representation in government, not an argument that somehow things would be better if government was the size of your refrigerator.

It is simply an absentminded libertarian fantasy to pretend that a nation of 300 million could be governed by a homeowner's association-sized government that collected only enough taxes to print up giant KEEP OUT signs.

You can point to examples of bad doctors, of nursing home fraud, and of systemic corruption within hospital management. That doesn't mean we should stop using the system of organized medical care.

Well, who knows what it means to you, Tuci78. You always have your stained-glass-window view of everything that is crystal-clear to the rest of the world.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 9:42 am

Squeezing off to the side again (as usual) we find little stevie perseverating:


No. Even if we grant, for purposes of argument, that the airport [John Murtha-Cambria County Airport in Pennsylvania's 12th Congressional District] “doesn't do anything for any economy anywhere” (which I note in passing is logically an impossible absurdity), that still does not mean that government is itself is inept, evil, or bad.

Assuming the airport is built to specifications that are beyond what it is presently used for, that does not mean it is not forward-thinking to build things better than you presently need them to be. Saves money and time spent trying to upgrade later on.

Many two-lane-each-way highway roads that connect cities to suburbs should have been built as four-lanes-each-way, but when they were built no one imagined that enough people would live so far away from the cities to make the extra expense and extra condemned land worthwhile.

But that is a minor matter. The real point is, let's assume for argument's sake that the airport is a total and complete waste of money and benefits no one, not even the people and entities employed to construct and operate it. Oops. You know what I mean.

That still only shows you that a process within government has been abused by human beings to fund a project that should not have been funded.

It does not show you that government is the problem.

If I showed you a bad product, for example, New Coke, that is not evidence that corporations are inherently useless because they sometimes make bad products. It tells you that the VP of new products or whatever at Coca-Cola should have been better at his or her job.

Government is where Willie Sutton would now choose to operate, because it's where the money is. That is reality. I am not opining about whether that reality is good or evil. It simply is fact that money and power are in government. Thus people in controlling positions in government dispense money through the use of their power, and dispense power with their control of money.

It is not surprising that human beings, true to their Hobbesian nature, tend to benefit themselves where they can. Some people are less scrupulous than others, but everyone is somewhere right of “perfect” on a spectrum. This is not unique to government and says nothing about government.

There may well, in short, be examples of government waste or outright corruption. But this is an argument for better representation in government, not an argument that somehow things would be better if government was the size of your refrigerator.

It is simply an absentminded libertarian fantasy to pretend that a nation of 300 million could be governed by a homeowner's association-sized government that collected only enough taxes to print up giant KEEP OUT signs.

You can point to examples of bad doctors, of nursing home fraud, and of systemic corruption within hospital management. That doesn't mean we should stop using the system of organized medical care.

Well, who knows what it means to you, Tuci78. You always have your stained-glass-window view of everything that is crystal-clear to the rest of the world.

First, the reason why John Murtha's monument to his own ego (and his power to bring home the pork) “doesn't do anything for any economy anywhere” is that even the “benefit” it transiently provides the few people in his District and the suppliers, contractors, and other contractors who have “paid to play” and thus got opportunities to dip their hands into the public till is only transient.

The John Murtha-Cambria County Airport is an unnecessary investment, a nonviable investment, a malinvestment of funds, talent, effort, land, everything. When John Murtha is no longer there to provide the porkfat to keep it greased, it will go away. And with it goes a Cambria County rateable property (for it will either fail to pay those property taxes and have to be taken into the possession of the local government for that failure, or it will be sharply de-rated so as to keep the level of taxation within the drastically reduced means of the operators to pay the exactions). Also disappearing will be almost all the jobs of those directly employed there, as well as the jobs (and businesses) of those contractors presently suckling on Mr. Murtha's porkfat.

Bankruptcy lawyers will be doing a landoffice business in and around Cambria County when Mr. Murtha shuffles out of Washington City for the last time.

Malinvestments are, indeed, “an absurdity,” little stevie. They're one of the great absurdities that the officers of civil government create when they screw with the productive sector of the economy, and they're one of the reasons why people like your beloved Mr. Murtha need to be jerked up sharply every damned time they get grabby.

Such abuses of government power “to fund a project that should not have been funded” are not exceptional, little stevie, but the usual and customary way of our professional incumbents in civil government, emphatically including that “distinctly native American criminal class” which Mark Twain characterized as the Congress.

There is no “argument for better representation in government” because – as we've seen repeatedly – the people who win popularity contests are the ones who bring home the pork, no matter how much “government waste or outright corruption” they engage in to get it.

The Founders were thoroughly aware of this, and their means of protecting the people of the several states against this was to fix in the Constitution explicit prescriptions and proscriptions designed to keep “government…the size of your refrigerator.”

In other words, sharply limited in terms of what could be done by the officers of civil government, the “chains of the Constitution” by which they would be bound down from mischief.

We have the right as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money.

(( Speech in the US House of Representatives, as quoted in The Life of Colonel David Crockett (1884) by Edward Sylvester Ellis. ))

These deviations from the restraints of constitutionality are the hallmark of civil government in Mordor – er, Washington City – and have been for decades. They are the source and substance of our national woes, the hammer and the anvil between which the average American suffers the agonies of misgovernment.

Murtha's monument in Cambria County is just one very, very good example of hos the damage is done, and why government-worshiping cement-heads like you, little stevie, need to have “That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen” pounded down upon you again and again and again.

Or to take Henry Hazlitt's paraphrasing from Economics in One Lesson:

From this aspect, therefore, the whole of economics can be reduced to a single lesson, and that lesson can be reduced to a single sentence. The art of economics consists in looking not merely at the immediate but at the longer effects of any act or policy; it consists in tracing the consequences of that policy not merely for one group but for all groups.

Your personal willful ignorance – let us call it your “myopia,” little stevie – as a discussant on political economics derives not only from your lack of education in the subject but also your deep and crippling desire to have the universe warped to fit your conceptions of what you want it to be, and not what it is.

Not uncommon among lawyers, I suppose. It's cooked brutally out of the guys in my line of work. You get to file appeals. We have to write death certificates.

As for speaking of “bad doctors, of nursing home fraud, and of systemic corruption within hospital management,” except as we're discussing the Veterans' Health Administration and other government porkfests in the health care sector, how does this pertain to these 'bridge to nowhere” malinvestments and their adverse impacts upon the national, state, and local economies in this country?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 11:24 am

I am flattered, Tuci78.

You continue to re-post my entire response to you, when the discussion we were having is only a slight way down the thread. I'm fairly sure no one else is even posting here at present, so anyone who reads even a little way down would see what I wrote. But you pulled it out and showed it at the top of the thread again.

You must really be impressed by my writing.

For my part, I'm most amused by your decision to cite Davy Crockett to me. The rest of your absurdity was entirely predictable. I wasn't expecting Davy Crockett. Next have you got something from Johnny Appleseed and Daniel Boone?

I explained to you why the notion that we have problems with corrupt or incompetent health care providers does not mean we should abandon the provision of health care services. It means we need better people providing health care services.

Same thing is true with government. Instances of abuse of power is not an argument against power. You just insist on an infantile binary world where government is evil and the solution is no government.

You're beyond the call of reason, since you think all politicians are the same and everyone is out to get your silly little grubby dollar. You earned that dollar because some patient was able to drive on paved roads to get to and from your office, which is powered, heated, and provided with sanitary water. Yet you begrudge the government any right to tax you for your earnings.

“There's no 'argument for better representation' in government?” Oh, come now.

We had George W. Bush. We now have a black President. Barack Obama is better representation in government. He would not have been elected had Bush not done such a terrible job. Enough people believed Obama will do a better job than Bush or the guy commonly referred to as McBush or McSame (or, in your parlance, Crash Test Johnnie) to elet Obama to give Marine One a whirl.

If people just voted for the status quo, that would suggest they believe, as you do, that we are resigned to suffer no matter who the politicians are. It is precisely because we don't agree with you that Obama got elected.

That's as civil as I can be to someone like you, Tuci78. I hope you enjoy your delusions. They clearly sustain you. Everybody needs something. You have your delusions. Good on you.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 11:39 am

You keep misconstruing and deliberately lying about what I write. It's all there in print. Why lie?

I didn't argue that private planes would use radar equipment or anything like that.

I argued that private planes would pay taxes and fees for takeoff, landing, and hangar storage. That money, I argued, must be factored into any true assessment of a project's cost. It is part of a revenue stream that did not exist previously.

Why do you invent things to argue against? I assume it is because you have no argument that deals with what was actually written.

Now you're changing what you wrote about politicians being all of a stripe. If Murtha's replacement isn't as good at Murtha as being bad, that's a good thing. Put another way, if a freshman Congressman can't chair a committee and thus can't steer enough money to his district to get on your Axis of Evil list, that's a good thing. And an intentionally brilliant part of our Constitutional system.

Politicians who have stood the test of re-election and have seniority are the ones who chair committees and gain clout. They have to earn political capital before they can spend it. Freshmen sit at the end and watch. That means a new face in Congress would have to be a good thing, from your point of view, since a new face wouldn't redistribute as much of your jealously-missed dollar toward his own constituents.

But of course you're inconsistent. You need to pretend that all politicians are alike and we have no actual choice among representatives.

You don't know what I know about aviation. Both my parents were in the aviation industry and I'm confident I have forgotten more about it than you will ever know about it.

Thus far you've done nothing to disturb my opinion. Big, huge airport. Three flights a day. Intentional lies about private planes paying revenue. Yep. Real convincing.

Have a good time scratching your forearms bloody. I'm bored again. See you around.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 11:53 am

I'd written that it was squeezing off the board. On my display, that's what it was doing, and I have no intention of “flattering” a lying, despicable socialist in any way at all. I just don't distort the posts of discussants to whom I'm responding, whether they're honest human beings or lying lice like you.

David Crockett was a Congressional representative, and a rigorously principled member of the Democratic Party who defied the leader of that party – Andrew Jackson – on a number of issues, chiefly the unconstitutional Indian Removal Act. I'd expect you to belittle him, little liar. He defended the individual rights of real, live people against a tyrannous and overreaching Executive. Anathema to a thieving government-worshiper like you.

Given that little stevie is comparing grafting politicians to “corrupt or incompetent health care providers,” let me observe the bloody obvious (which lying little stevie seeks to obscure).

The “corrupt or incompetent health care providers” (and there sure as hell are such) are private individuals acting as such – except, of course, for those on the government's various payrolls. But, then, those “corrupt or incompetent health care providers” are also officers of the civil government when functioning in those roles, and so may be lumped with the other officers of the civil government when we turn to the difference between private citizens and officers of the civil government.

Y'see, folks, officers of the civil government are charged with direct responsibility to the polity at large. They are public servants. Within the very narrow boundaries of constitutionality (an alien concept to lying little stevie), these officers of the civil government are restricted to certain closely prescribed duties and powers, and are not permitted to do anything other than that which is prescribed in their posts as officers of the civil government.

The private individuals who conduct themselves incompetently or corruptly may be brought appropriately to book in civil actions (on torts committed) or criminal proceedings (on theft of value in one form or another), but they cannot be held malfeasant or misfeasant in public office because they're not officers of the civil government.

Difference here. The officers of the civil government can come a-cropper on carefully charted rocks and shoals in ways that the private citizen simply cannot, because the private citizen is not given charge or control of the government's functional monopoly on the initiation of violent force, and officers of the civil government so charged must be very strictly controlled lest they go berserk and undertake pillage, rapine, and murder.

The damage done by the private citizen (even one of Bernie Madoff's sort) cannot do much damage compared to that routinely inflicted upon the people of our nation by the officers of the civil government. The former are at most retail purveyors of crime and tort. The latter – the officers of the civil government – are wholesale suppliers, and therefore do damage even more perfidious, on far broader scales than ever the individual private citizen, acting as such, ever could.

And how does the election of Barry Soetoro – a bitty-bit Luo tribesman “faking black” for all he's worth – offer “better representation in government”?

Like the majority of Americans were raised as third-generation “red diaper baby” socialists, with an early childhood spent in Indonesia learning Arabic, memorizing the Qu'ran, praying five times daily to Mecca, and returning to live with his socialist maternal grandparents in Hawaii to proceed – under utter concealment – through college, a career as a “poverty pimp” in the Cook County machine of Chicago corruption, all the while diligently studying Marx and the rest of the socialist liturgy, making solid contacts with criminals and avowed America-hating public figures throughout, to slime into the Illinois Senate and then into the U.S. Senate on curious defaults suffered by his opponents….

Oh, good heavens. Of what kind of Americans is Barry Soetoro “better representation,” folks? The guy looks like a flaming nightmare. Nobody in this country looks like this snake-oil salesman, this faux noir fraud, this dead mackerel on the beach by moonlight, “shining and stinking” as he rots before our eyes.

And little stevie still pretends to be civil, patting us on the back as he reaches into our pockets to thieve us into penury.


drlove999
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:04 pm

Look asshole, i have stated this many times before so listen up…It is not my job t educate the dumbasses of this world, which obviously u are one of the biggest…You see, this is why my intelligence exceeds urs by leaps and bounds..I can do research to find the truth out about crap u try to shove down peoples throats..Im not interested in trying to defend fraud obama…Im interested in getting asshole obama to be transparent like he promised and show respect to the american people by unsealing all his records and laying things hidden in secret to bare witness to the light…This he has not done..You can cry, complain , whimper and keep trying to shovel false shit all day long, but thats not going to to answer is complete lack of openness and honesty…See, ur a typical asshole obot who is not interested in truth so we will never agree…You choose to live in darkness, where I seek the light…We have opposing views and obviously EVIDENCE, that will never come together…My advice to u, keep living in denial and follow obama all the way to hell, for that is exactly where he is leading the blind dumbasses of this world, which in my opinion, u are undoubtedly their leader!!!!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:04 pm

Lying, ignorant little stevie, as I've observed already, you're as bereft of knowledge about civil aviation as you are about economics. Those “private planes” of which you'd spoken (by which you could only mean one- and two-engined small propeller-driven aircraft; we're not talking about the corporate jets operating out of places like New York's subsidiary port in Teeterboro, NJ) would never pay enough in “taxes and fees for takeoff, landing, and hangar storage” to keep Murtha's monument operational without the continuing hemorrhage of DoD budget into that boondoggle, steered there by the National Socialist porkmeister you're so fanatically defending.

So when Murtha is replaced by a junior congresscritter – Red faction or Blue faction – that “Big, huge airport” dies, and the people of Cambria County who'd grown dependent upon it go into financial withdrawal, big time.

So you claim your parents had been “in the aviation industry,” eh?

And “On the Internet, nobody can tell you're a dog.”

You think knowledge of civil aviation is somehow hereditary, little stevie? Or is that just another lie you're trying to peddle?


drlove999
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:08 pm

Like i said before asshole, its not my job or responsibility to educate the dumbasses of this world, which obviously u are their leader…Ill give u a hint and u can find it for yourself…Look up the law firm Perkins and Coe…You might be surprised what you will find asshole!!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

Your a perfect obot..obama has to love dumbasses like u who follow him around like hes ur messiah…People like u is what got us into this shit to begin with u ignorant piece of shit..But, wait!!!…You still believe obama is POTUS and doing a swell job..I forgot!!…hahahaaha


Anonymous
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 3:27 am

as i have said before dumbass, it is not my job to educate the dumbasses of this world..The burden of proof is not one me asshole, it is on obama to prove hes eligible and to date he has not proven anything and in fact has obfuscated the truth…His actions, behavior and conduct to date so far has shown he is a liar and cannot be trusted (as polls are showing) ..He has failed to prove his eligibility and the onus is on him…The reason he cannot prove it is because he CANT!!..Once again, ur mommy and daddy must have dropped u on ur head and fucked ur brain cells up so u cant think as a ration reasonable human being..Im just gonna believe that from now on cause u have proven that tome conclusively..So therefore asshole, bye bye..


Anonymous
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 5:00 am

Sorry, Tuci78. He made statements. I identified 3 of them, just related to Ms. Nelson.

You should help Randwulf. drlove999 needs more than you are capable of, bless your pseudo-libertarian heart for trying.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 5:02 am

We already established that you have no proof of your lies.

You do yourself no favors by continuing to highlight that fact. No amount of juvenile attempts to get under my skin will distract from the fact that you just make things up and misspell them in your posts.

You started by telling me that you quit. Then you asked me to quit. Now you’re telling me bye-bye.

So, do you EVER write anything you mean?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Nothing posted by little stevie is to be relied upon. To whatever extent he speaks even remotely in accord with factual reality, he does so only with the intention of leading his readers into deeper, more damaging lies later.

He is a liar. There is no honesty in him, no conscience, no moral scruples, nothing.

A sac of pus unlanced, he is a danger to all around him, and should be treated with quarantine and contempt.

To hell with him.


pmc123
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 1:14 am

drlove,

You'd be perfect for the grandmaster of the KKK… all you have is hate and profanity to offer. Devoid of any intelligent ideas or arguments you merely advocate violence. We've seen all the lies from your side… the WMD's (or lack thereof) the constant paranoia and fear of a mushroom cloud put out by Cheney. You and your ilk aren't long for this world…

Oh… Obama is the POTUS… doofus and nothing you can do will change that. Please go back to watching Fox so they can program you with more hate and ignorance. Limbaugh would like to fully insert your head into his ass considering your nose is already up it.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 2:22 am

You are now addressing the world as “asshole.” You didn't direct your post at anyone.

But since you're so much fun, I will address your idiocy yet again.

You must mean Perkins Coie, not Perkins and Coe.

Obama has released some campaign expenditure reports to the Federal Election Commission. Among the reports are quarterly reports of all expenditures, alphabetized by payee, by the campaign.

These reports show that Obama spent over a million dollars on legal fees. But the reports are merely one-line-per-payee ledger entries. So all you see is that Perkins Coie was paid X dollars. It does not indicate what legal services on what matters X dollars were paid for.

Nor is there any indication when the legal services were performed. All you see is that Perkins Coie received X dollars during the unspecified quarter of the unspecified year.

So you have no basis to suspect or believe that Obama paid that sum or any of it for birther suits.

McCain, for example, spent $1.4 million on legal fees for his campaign, according to the prestigious and credible World Net Daily. If true, that puts Obama's spending in perspective. McCain ran on a shoestring budget for much of his campaign. His primary campaign was over very early, since he is a Republican and they do winner-take-all. Yet he spent $1.4 million on legal fees.

So Obama, who had to compete in 57 contests against Democratic opponents in a race for delegates, can naturally be expected to spend much more than McCain. Obama took in 100 million dollars in one month, so he had enough money to afford to spend much more on lawyers than McCain did. Also, of course, remember that Obama won the Presidency, so every dollar his campaign spent on any expenditure, from pencils to advertising to pizza to lawyers, was money well-spent.

So when you look up Perkins Coie you don't find out anything about Obama except his campaign paid Perkins Coie what seems to you like a lot of money.

Anything else?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 2:51 am

Your fondness for Davy Crockett is touching, Tuci78. Your citation of Davy Crockett remains as persuasive as it was before, no more and no less, notwithstanding that you think about him in the shower. Anyone who was waiting to see what the distinguished free citizen gentleman Mr. Crockett had to say upon the matter is now entirely satisfied. The rest of us are still picturing muskets, corn cob pipes, and banjos.

Your routine hyperventilation about government is as equally unworthy of response as your routine absurd disrespectful gibberish about the President.

The idea that I would pat you on the back is disgusting. The idea that I would reach into your pocket for ANY reason is even more revolting.

I don't want anything to do with you. I don't know why you make up such ridiculous things.

I would not reach into your pocket to pull out the cure for cancer. People would just have to die. Not worth the damage to my everlasting soul.

Beyond that, you keep on eliding the difference between your world and Earth. I don't work for the government. I don't worship the government. I just don't hate the government. I don't make up gibberish about the government.

To you this not only means that I worship the government, but that I am responsible to you for what the government does.

Christians are not responsible to other people for what Christ does. Next time Jesus shows up in a tortilla, ruining said tortilla's edible value except to Catholics who aren't squeamish about eating Christ's flesh in wafer form, its owner does not get to sue some guy in Cedar Rapids who is known to be Christian.

If the world's biggest New England Patriots fan could be sued because Tom Brady got injured last year, then gamblers everywhere would sue that fan for costing them the chance at winning back the money they lost on the Super Bowl the year prior.

But you think that a private-sector person who doesn't make up gibberish about the government is somehow responsible for government's perceived evils, and that said person is reaching into your pocket to steal from you.

I'm sure I spend more on my home security system than you spend on your rent. I'm not likely to steal from you. Even if I did steal from you, I'm not the government.

So are you still enjoying your delusions, Tuci78?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 2:58 am

So… that was a long way of admitting that you have no proof for your lies.

Didn't see that one coming!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 3:09 am

Crockett was very much a “citizen-politician,” by no means the sort of professional parasite we see infesting the Congress today.

I have no doubt whatsoever that the nation as a whole and each of us as individuals would be better served if instead of popularity contests – which only occasionally turn up a common man of uncommon integrity like Crockett – we were to select our Representatives and Senators the way we select veniremen.

Of course, minus lawyerly voir dire. The citizen gets selected by lot, a sort of “reverse win,” and except on grounds of medical disability or other extreme hardship, must set aside his business and serve his term in Washington City as much under duress as a draftee sent one of those notifications from Selective Service.

And, of course, no congresscritter would owe a damned thing to any political party whatsoever. Representation of the people, not the pressure groups, and just as likely to seat “people of color” proportional to their population in each district and state as anyone else, without favor or prejudice. Wouldn't that be nice, stevie?

We have an “all volunteer” military now, and it's working well. Why not an “all conscript” federal government?

Without prospect for “re-election” (indeed, wanting nothing much more than to be shut of that toxic waste dump on the malarial Potomac), each congresscritter would “do his time” in the House or the Senate in the full knowledge that after his term was concluded, he'd be going back to live under the laws in the making of which he'd had a hand.

Couple that with a measure obliging that each bill be read aloud, in full before it can be voted upon and I expect the output of the Congress to change vastly for the better.

Anything more from little stevie worth so much as scraping from my boot? Nope. As usual. And therefore to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 3:12 am

Questions don't need proof.

Lies – like Barry Soetoro's allegation that he qualifies as a natural born citizen of these United States to occupy the office he currently usurps – cannot survive proof.

QED, little lawyer.


drlove999
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 3:21 am

perkins and coie are just 1 group of lawyers representing him on the lawsuits asshole…Actually, obama had hired 3 separate law firms to defend eligibility lawsuits..But u know what??…Lets just stop right here…If u had any common sense instead of continually trying to defend obama who cannot defend himself cause he is a fraud and a usurper, you would realize that no man in his right mind would spend a dime on lawyers concerning his constitutional eligibility to be POTUS when all he had to do is give permission to hawaiian officials to release a $15 birth certificate…This is just another example as to why u are an idiot who displays no common sense whatsoever..I cant imagine who ur mama and daddy were that raised u…My god, are ur parents as stupid and ignorant as u are??….I mean really….Is it possible that ur parents did not teach u how to use common sense??…Let me enlighten u on something asshole that apparently ur parents dropped the ball with and that is 1..lawyers do not work for free…2..no one spends hundreds of thousands of dollars unless they have something to hide..3..His original birth certificate cost less than $15 to produce..4..If obama had any respect for the american people , he would put this issue to rest…The bottom line is that common sense tells any reasonable person (of course, ur not) that obama is hiding something that is damaging to his retaining the presidency, if not, he would spend $15 and settle this issue once and for all….However, he continues to fuel suspicion…Question is WHY!!!!….Use some common sense u stupid sack of shit!!!!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Crockett was very much a “citizen-politician,” by no means the sort of professional parasite we see infesting the Congress today.

I have no doubt whatsoever that the nation as a whole and each of us as individuals would be better served if instead of popularity contests – which only occasionally turn up a common man of uncommon integrity like Crockett – we were to select our Representatives and Senators the way we select veniremen.

Of course, minus lawyerly voir dire. The citizen gets selected by lot, a sort of “reverse win,” and except on grounds of medical disability or other extreme hardship, must set aside his business and serve his term in Washington City as much under duress as a draftee sent one of those notifications from Selective Service.

And, of course, no congresscritter would owe a damned thing to any political party whatsoever. Representation of the people, not the pressure groups, and just as likely to seat “people of color” proportional to their population in each district and state as anyone else, without favor or prejudice. Wouldn't that be nice, stevie?

We have an “all volunteer” military now, and it's working well. Why not an “all conscript” federal government?

Without prospect for “re-election” (indeed, wanting nothing much more than to be shut of that toxic waste dump on the malarial Potomac), each congresscritter would “do his time” in the House or the Senate in the full knowledge that after his term was concluded, he'd be going back to live under the laws in the making of which he'd had a hand.

Couple that with a measure obliging that each bill be read aloud, in full before it can be voted upon and I expect the output of the Congress to change vastly for the better.

Anything more from little stevie worth so much as scraping from my boot? Nope. As usual. And therefore to hell with him.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 4:53 am

Of course lawyers work for free. It's called pro bono. Didn't you read the Politico article I quoted and linked? It explained that Obama's attorney in the CA suit against Alan Keyes is working pro bono.

You're silly. Obama isn't spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to hide his birth certificate. Read the Politico article.

He's barely spending anything. He gets his fees reimbursed when the suits get dismissed, because they were filed frivolously, exposing the filing attorney to sanctions. Read the Politico article.

But whatever he is spending, he is getting tremendous value for his money. He gets to let the birthers eat the conservative movement's heart out. Read the Politico article.

Or read the Wall Street Journal editorial I quoted and linked you to. Same thing in there. They call you birthers “lunatics” and they write that Democrats have spotted an excellent opportunity to make conservatives look foolish.

Of course, I know that you already look foolish. I know I don't have to point out to anyone on this thread what a tool you are. I can read their many posts to you myself, just as they can read for themselves that you NEVER have any proof to back up your lies (since they are lies this is unsurprising).

I just do it for the fun of it.

I must admit, the notion that you could be parodying birthers is a bit less fun. You're just sullying the standard set by Florida Christian.

It's like when Jordan came back from retirement the 2nd time.

First time was excellent. Coast-to-coast for the swooping lay-in. Swat and steal from the Mailman. Shove and a swish over Russell. Sixth title. Sixth Finals MVP.

Second time, not so much. Wizards uniform. 'Nuff said. You're wearing the Wizards uniform. Florida Christian shoved Byron Russell back into obscurity.

Let's see some links. Or you'd better get back to doing your homework, young man! You have to go to bed soon.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 4:57 am

See, I TOLD you. Not as good as “from Hell's heart, I stab at thee.”

Too bad. You had just gotten all aroused over your concept of an all-conscript Federal government, too.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 5:02 am

More and more lies. The only thing that can be relied upon as we read here is that little stevie is a liar.

His ends are tyrannous, his means contemptible, his character nonexistent.

To hell with him.


drlove999
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 5:18 am

your actually kinda fun to fuck with cause i havent met that many dumbass shitheads like u in my life..Its kinda novel that assholes like u exist on planet earth!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 5:24 am

Politico is so full of shit and lies dont u know anything…Politico is pro obama and is supported by the obama campaign…hahahaahah IOt is amazing the stupid articles u cite that is nothing but an arm of the obama machine…Just likle snopes.com and factcheck.com are…Damn, ur so stupid i cant believe it, but then there u are coming up with shit constantly…Do u ever have a clarity moment in ur brain ever??…Lawyers DO NOT WORK PRO-BONO ASSHOLE… There are some who do, but not in this case…Politico would say anything to discredit constitutionally conscious people….hahaha….It still amazes me that u dont know anything about who is behind Politico….haahahah If u are stupid enough to believe that all these lawyers representing obama are just doing for the love of obama, than man, go see a shrink…There is something seriously wrong with u…Im being serious now!~!!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 2:55 am

You already used “to hell with him.” And it’s kind of sad to see you this deflated.

Well, not really. But it is underwhelming. I’d pictured you as made of sterner evil stuff than that.

You cracked yesterday and haven’t been the same since.

You’ve obviously been deeply wounded by re-reading that quote of yours — stop imposing your preconceived ideas onto reality, I think it was. I won’t put it in quotes, because I know how you feel about being quoted.

You don’t know what “quoted out of context” means, but I’ll try to be cognizant of your frailty about having your idiocy exposed like so much dull-white dirty laundry being aired.

Two hours ago, no wait, days and days ago. Can’t remember which. “Maman died today. Or maybe yesterday; I don’t know.”

You’re starting to do to me what you do to President Obama. No, I’m not referring to your graphic sexual fantasies about each of us; those are old news.

No, I’m referring to your elevation of my status to an absurd level. Just as President Obama is basically evil personified for you, filled with an inscrutable malice like Ahab’s conception of the white whale, you see me as an agent of the government, patting you on the back and picking your pocket.

You see me as someone whose deeds are so vile that Satan should not be punished with a moment in my company.

I have to stop focusing on how cool I would be if that was really true. I have to remember that you’re disturbed. I called that one a long time ago.

And it brings us back to the point. When, in the fits of your hysteria, you project your preconceived ideas onto reality, you focus them intensely, absurdly, and erroneously upon one person.

Obama has nothing to do with the socialism that occurred in 20th century Europe. Obama did not invent the progressive tax rate.

I do not worship the government. I do not work for the government.

I have never stolen money from anyone and wouldn’t start with someone poorer than me if I was to begin doing so.

As I indicated, it’s kind of a let-down to see you fizzle out like this. But it does tickle me to see you come unhinged again. It’s like you’re double-jointed. You were ALREADY unhinged, and you just managed to do it all over again.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 5:30 am

Are you drunk or is this normal for you?

Stop pretending to care about America while you type garbage like that. The above rant is nothing but a foot-stomping pout from a pissed-off racist lunatic. This is your argument? This is who you are?

Gladly the voters saw through this ugly crap.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 2:33 am

If you're silly enough to pretend that Politico is Obama-friendly, much less “an arm of the obama-machine,” you're obviously to silly to have read the Politico article, which quoted Obama's attorney stating that he is working on Obama's case pro bono.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 2:38 am

I'm not sure why you keep referencing “hell” at the end of your posts. It just keeps a bright, glaring focus on how inadequate those send-off lines are compared to the Ahab line I already harpooned you birthers with.

“Marge, it takes two people to lie. One to lie, and one to listen.” –Homer Simpson

See, that's why you're wrong for claiming that I'm lying. You may be listening. But I'm not lying. It takes two! So, no lies by me. We can all read your lies.

“Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one.” –Emerson

Tuci78 has never been in the “majority of one” or any other majority. Can't even find someone to listen to his lies. Which is why he's stuck typing them here. Apparently on an ancient computer.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 2:47 am

I can't believe you birthers are still at this. Just grow up, some presidents you like and some you don't. Try taking an adult approach to reality. It helps a lot.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 2:48 am

Ha! found you. you're still alive. /wave


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 2:52 am

wow Tuci, another wall of text that says absolutely nothing. But hi, hope you and the grandkids are well.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:00 am

I don't understand why you write this way Tuci. You don't seem to have any positive hope for humankind. You don't seek to supplant superior methodologies to the inferior ones. Every post you make has a violence to it. You're over addicted to the stereotypes you've made, and you've made too few for me to appreciate the subtly of your reason. If you truly believe what you say you believe, then I'm afraid the nihilistic approach baffles me. At least some are here for a cause, and to use our citizen powers to affect those changes. You seem to want to tear down everything and everyone.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Welcome back, jj. Good to have you back on the paid blogging detail.

The burrito lady no longer comes by in the mornings. I'll miss those spicy scrambled eggs. But all is not lost.

You still have eight dollars on your BarackBucks card, but our cooperative communal cafeteria doesn't have your favorite arugula salad anymore. You might like the BirtherBurgers though. You should get them the way I get them: with Kenyan egg on their faces, like at Fatburger.


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:03 am

If u believe that shit, ive got some ocean fron property in arizona id like to sell u….Every time i think u cant possibly come up with additional stupid shit, u always do..AMAZING!!..No fuckin attorney is working for free asshole…You apparently would believe politico if they said the moon is made up of green cheese…hahaha
ps..you think lawyers love obama just sooo much they will do everything for free!!1….hahahaahahah I would hate to meet ur mama and daddy…Damn, wouldnt they be embarrassed to know they raised such an idiot…I really believe if ur parents heard u saying silly shit like this, they would shut u up!!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:09 am

Yeah, I thought I was done with razzing birthers, but then I realized that preseason football isn't exciting, after all.

I think “is drlove999 a profane parody of a real birther” would be a good bet to make among the old-timers here.

Other than that, you missed the implosions of the twin towering intellects, Randwulf and Tuci78.

Randwulf, who posts at stormfront under the name Roguewind (he changed it last week, after I called him on it here), has variously claimed on TWI to be:

White;
half-White;
African-American;
married to a “beautiful woman of color”;
married to a half-White woman;
a widower;
a Mormon;
a Marine who got injured on a fast-repel out of a helicopter 20 feet off the ground at night before getting discharged in 1978 for unleashing an extremely weird written tirade against Jane Fonda.

Tuci78, for his part, just got really cranky and started writing about how I should go to hell but I'm so bad that Satan shouldn't be punished with a moment of my company. He finally got tired of defending his lies, I guess.

I miss the old Tuci78, frankly.

But I like the new multiple-personality Randwulf more. I can't decide whether to call him Roguewind or “Sybil.”


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:15 am

Obama fired me because I wasn't maintaining the minimal standards of acerbic posts. So I'm off to the more cooperative work of cat herding. Cats these days.. they don't listen! But at least I feel like I'm getting through with repetitiveness, which was a feeling that I was lacking here. Cats learn! birthers??? not so much. But I'm glad you're still in the machine. ;)


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:17 am

I wish I could say that you're a funny writer. But really you just write funny.

So you're already over-extending yourself by claiming that the right-wing Politico web site is an arm of the Obama machine.

Care to proclaim that Rupert Murdoch sold the Wall Street Journal to Obama but just hasn't publicly announced the sale?

Because I quoted the WSJ to you, as well. Want to read it again? You might have missed the part about you birthers being “just some nuts with a conspiracy theory,” because you were understandably focused on the part where they called you birthers “lunatics” and wrote that they wouldn't be surprised if you're racists.

Keep your “ocean fron property.” You need a place to hide from the boogeyman.

If you wanted to meet my Mom and Dad you should have gone to my law school graduation. But that was years and years ago. Now they're traveling all the time and it's hard to coordinate schedules beyond immediate family. Too bad. You'd like them. They're nice people. They suffer fools much more politely than I do.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:20 am

The reason I don't herd cats is that cats have claws. I have two cats, so I know.

Birthers, on the other hand, are utterly harmless.

But, like cats, they're adorable when they get all riled up!


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:20 am

I'm not an attorney, but I think the call it pro bono? I learned all the Latin I ever wanted to know through Catholic School and jury duty. Pro bono happens. hehe. pro bono. When an amateur bono will absolutely not suffice, you need a pro.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:22 am

wow, I guess I missed alot. You have the athiest Tuci wishing you to hell! Masterful. Wow. Just, wow.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:26 am

jj, the problem is that drlove999 has never met an attorney who would work for free.

Not many attorneys handle juvenile DUI cases without charging money, because of the stigma attached to working for idiots. Remember, when it's not the principle, you can be sure it's the principal-and-interest.

So every lawyer drlove999 has ever met has insisted on payment. Or at least that is what his parents always reported when they came to visit him in the juvenile detention center. My suspicion is that his parents really just appreciated having time to use their computer without being interrupted by his idiocy.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:29 am

White;
half-White;
African-American;
married to a “beautiful woman of color”;
married to a half-White woman;
a widower;
a Mormon;
a Marine who got injured on a fast-repel out of a helicopter 20 feet off the ground at night before getting discharged in 1978 for unleashing an extremely weird written tirade against Jane Fonda.

Those all seem a bit discordant themes. But then again its a birther, and no doubt, to not be in his cause is un-American. As you know not one liberal ever died for freedom, not one Cross, Crescent or Star or plaque exists in Arlington over a liberal, and therefore he is no doubt authorized to speak for all facets of patriotism, since of course, the right-wing owns the whole concept. Just guessing the context…


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:29 am

Yeah, you should read the post where he goes from telling me I'm a waste of protoplasm to opining that Satan isn't bad enough to have to be stuck sitting with me for a moment. I was really pleased with it, until I noticed that he screwed up the sentence by adding an extra “that” to it.

I was going to have my friend knit me a scarf with that sentence knitted along the scarf in a different color thread. But with the goof-up, it sort of loses its luster.

I wish Tuci78 would just send me one of his remaining three teeth so I could add it to my Birther Trophy Necklace. He finally cracked, and it happened on my shift, so I get to count him among my coup.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Funny thing is you can see that lawyers do work for free if you read those thingys.. you know the papers they throw on your doorstep in the morning if you keep paying the boy? new pampers? newspaper? I forget, but its there from time to time. And not much of it looks like fun work to me.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Why would anyone make a PLAQUE about a liberal?

The very idea is stomach-turning. Just like the image of that half-naked Lady O' Justice behind Ashcroft. Thank the Good Lord he had the American decency to charge the American taxpayer 6,000 dollars for a sheet to cover her statue-cleavage with.

Did you catch Maddow “correcting the record” of what Pat Buchanan had claimed about how white people built the country and were 100% of the people who fought at Gettysburg and Normandy?

That's what your post reminded me of. That and crescent rolls. It's dinner time! See you aroun, after you get caught up on the soap opera's latest unrealistic plot twists. JR wasn't dreaming. Birthers are still spinning away, and not just in Dallas.


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:35 am

ridicule and demeaning people is just obama used saul alinsky tactics…It doesnt work on me…I doubt i would like ur parents cause if they raised an idiot like u , i couldnt possibly like them or have any respect for them at all…..Calling the truth birtrhers, nut cases, lunatics is so childish it just shows to me that u have nothing of substance to offer so u resort to personal attacks…Very sad, but then, thats the way u asshole left wing radical assholes are…hahaah


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:39 am

Amazing. I just never see these people type anything positive. Could you imagine a liberal hanging out on conservative websites for 3 weeks? Oh the tyranny, you're challenging my reason!


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:41 am

You complain about name calling and then name call. All in one paragraph. Bravo!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:44 am

Pro bono is sometimes a lot of fun. Or did you mean being a paper boy? I've been a paper boy. Not as much fun as being a pro bono attorney.

In my line of work, which is civil litigation, big firms often don't let you get much experience on paying client files. They don't want to risk losing a client if you screw up.

That's why they insist, in some firms, that junior attorneys work on pro bono cases. You get experience that you cannot get without working on your own case.

I once did a pro bono representation of a Chinese immigrant who was being evicted from his San Francisco apartment. It was an illegal unit and he had not paid rent for a year. But SF real estate law is tenant-friendly, and he had arguments about the habitability of the space. Well, I had to hire a translator to explain those arguments; my client didn't speak English and I didn't speak Mandarin Chinese. Anyway, I got a ridiculously favorable settlement for him, and my firm never charged him a cent.

Usually, though, pro bono clients don't appreciate the work you do for them, since they didn't have to pay for it. They tend to have unrealistic expectations about the law, as well, since they are unlikely to have been involved with the legal system much. Or at least not much beyond the criminal justice system!

Any lawyer who is interested in growing his or her practice would jump at the chance to represent a sitting President pro bono. The birther suits have the added appeal of working against racist nutjobs. Most of us would pay handsomely to have the right to be the one slapping birthers across the face right under a judge's nose.

But of course, sitting Presidents don't often need legal representation. If they did, no one would do it pro bono. :)


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:44 am

I saw the Maddow piece with Buchanan. She does good work.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:49 am

A liberal hanging out on a conservative website? LOL

Can you picture Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert at a bash thrown by the American Enterprise Institute?

Two guys sitting as close to the alcohol as possible, trying not to over hear every other attendee call every other attendee “dumbass” as the other attendees alternate between punching each other in the arm and pulling each other's finger.

Conservatives get suspicious of anyone who uses apostrophes or asks questions.


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:52 am

have to when ur dealing with obot idiots..


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:56 am

I've never called anyone “birtrhers.”

Why must you continue to lie? Shame, shame!

I would ask you post a link to one of your lies, or any of them (they're ALL lies). But there's a significant risk that I wouldn't be able to spot any link amidst all your personal attacks.

But your personal attacks are really silly. Watch some television. When someone says something funny, write it down. When you get a lot of it, go to the computer room. Ask Mom if it's okay first. She may still be working on that online law degree.

Then take the new material for a test-drive here. Can't be any worse than your sluggish attempts to defend yourself thus far.

But I changed my mind. I would still like to see a link to any of the nonsense you post. Doesn't matter which lie. Just pick one. And link to it.

Let's start with your idiocy about how being born in this country does not make you a natural born citizen. You claimed that. Now prove it.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:58 am

After the White House Correspondent's Dinner I don't think Colbert will be in any conservative clubs soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa-4E8ZDj9s
(Still funny after all these months)


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Now now, there you go a-lyin' again.

You know that you started using personal attacks and profanity from your very first post, and you are equally profane and vitriolic to every person you direct a post to. It has nothing to do with who you are writing to.

It has to do with the fact that you tell lies with every breath.

And, frankly, it has to do with the fact that you cannot accept the reality of an Obama Presidency.

I enjoy knowing that. So I remind you.

Psst! Obama's still the President. He's still black, too! Horrors!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:01 am

Awesome – I hadn't seen that before. Thanks.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:07 am

A wise person once wrote that “surely I don't mind vigorous debate, but this birther thing stinketh.”

That smell is lingering.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:09 am

Oh my “hope for humankind” as a whole is great.

But unlike the average “Liberal,” I have no hope for the perfectability of humankind. Human beings are what we are – very, very effective killer apes. In our ability to reason, and to “reason together” (in the words of both the Bible and that lying National Socialist LBJ), we have the ability to come together in civil society without robbing, defrauding, raping, and killing each other.

That’s a pretty big achievement.

To serve the functions of civil society – in which we enjoy the benefits of a division-of-labor economy – we’ve invented the key concepts of human rights (the negative rights to life, to liberty, and to property) from which all positive rights derive, and that of civil government, in which certain members of our polities are selected to exercise what is a functional monopoly on the implementation of retaliatory violent force for the purpose of (and for no other purpose than) defending the individual rights of each citizen from “all enemies foreign and domestic.”

Very simple. Now, those folks to whom the “violent force” powers of government are delegated have demonstrated a – natural – tendency to use that violent force against people in and outside the polity for purposes other than the defense of individual rights. We are a species of killer apes, after all, each of us (even the mildest and most saintly) a murdering sonofabitch if push comes close enough to shove.

So the Founders – working around Alexander Hamilton, who really wanted to establish a monarchy with himself as Chancellor of the Exchequer (Great Britain didn’t have a Prime Minister at that time, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer was the guy who ran the British government) – established in the U.S. Constitution a number of stiff prescriptions and proscriptions in that charter of national civil government designed to keep the officers of that government from straying out of bounds.

Not perfect, of course. But then, what ever is?

Now, given that the U.S. Constitution is arguably in itself one of those “superior methodologies” of which you write, and that our present national woes are – unarguably, don’tcha think? – the result of federal government officers straying outside the proscriptions and prescriptions of that charter, my purpose has been to re-invoke those “superior methodologies” of the Constitution (especially the strict enforcement of the Bill of Rights portion of that charter) and thus “to supplant” the government-gone-juramentado under which our nation and our neighbors now suffer so abominably.

Now, because government is an engine of violence – and do you deny this? – I speak to violence as a fact of life when one’s focus is upon civil governance and the officers charged with the implementation thereof.

As a citizen, I am here to voice my support for constitutional government. You (insofar as I can tell) want to tear down the Constitution and supplant constitutional government with “Liberal” catastrophe in your quest for “government as Santa Claus” or something along those lines.

And therefore I merrily, gladly, joyfully do what I can to “tear down everything” you’re trying to do.

See how that works?


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:14 am

I hope you're right. Somehow I don't think all of the ones being wound up are harmless.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:16 am

“Does history record any case in which the majority was right?” — Robert A. Heinlein

“In our governments the real power lies in the majority of the community, and the invasion of private rights is chiefly to be apprehended, not from the acts of government contrary to the sense of the constituents, but from the acts in which government is the mere instrument of the majority.” — James Madison, letter to Thomas Jefferson (October 24, 1787)

“In republics, the great danger is, that the majority may not sufficiently respect the rights of the minority.” — James Madison

“Shall we then judge a country by the majority, or by the minority? By the minority, surely. ‘Tis pedantry to estimate nations by the census, or by square miles of land, or other than by their importance to the mind of the time.” — Ralph Waldo Emerson

“The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That’s one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population—the intelligent ones or the fools? I think we can agree it’s the fools, no matter where you go in this world, it’s the fools that form the overwhelming majority.” — Henrik Ibsen, Dr. Stockmann, in An Enemy of the People, act 4 (1882)

(( emphasis added ))


Tuci78
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:19 am

Wow, fitz. Another failure to receive FM on that little one-crystal AM radio between your ears. Who’da thunk?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:21 am

Let’s see… Anything in this but more of little stevie lying?

Nope.

Okay. To hell with him.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:27 am

THIS POSTING SHALL REMAIN ON DISPLAY IN THE OBAMA PAID-BLOGGER BREAK ROOM:

Re: Staying Focused

I find it necessary to remind the rest of you why we are here.

We are not here for money. We could get unemployment thanks to Uncle Barack.

We are not here to be profane. We could join the Navy and cuss up a storm.

We are not here to make doofuses get pwn3d. We could play multiplayer-online video games for that.

We are here to serve our country. When a birther's head explodes, a Democrat earns his “vote early, vote often” wings.

Here's a three sentence demonstration, ACCURATELY quoted and described, of what that looks like:

“Take your lawyerly proceduralism, little liar, engrave it on galvanized sheet steel, fold it until it's all corners, and shove it down your own lying throat. I will admit no more of your mendacity. There is not an honest morsel of protoplasm in your whole corrupt and stinking person, and therefore let us merrily consign you to hell, noting only that that once you get there, Satan himself will raise protest unto the sky, as not even all his sins deserve even a moment much less an eternity in your filthy company.” –Tuci78 addressed to stephenperry, 1 day ago, on the “Is This the Source of the Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate” thread

Don't get your grubby hands on my wings. Wanna keep 'em shiny.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:33 am

I'm just guessing. You're not smart?


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:33 am

Like i have said amillion times before asshole…”It is not my job to educate the dumbasses of this world in which u are a king”..You have access to the same info. as me….The difference between u and me is that i know where to look for facts and the truth..You turn to politico and other garbage to justify ur position….There is soooo much evidence on “natural born citizen(of which obama is not and he states that he isnt) that it is ridiculous to educate assholes like u..It is even highly questionable that obama is a citizen at all…He is a fuckin embarrassment to this country…He will never be recognized as president of this country and history will prove me right…Of course u will be playing with ur little dick the day it arrives cause by that point in time u will be just be spouting jibberish like a little baby who has lost its way…Actually, i feel sorry for dickheads like u cause you will never be able to put the pieces together when they all come tumbling down…What a waste of breath and time u are….Here is some free advice…Do ur own research asshole and stop relying on other people to do it for u…Lazy sack of shit!!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:36 am

I don't think much of any of the birthers. But I even wind up the ones that I think could pose a risk. I figure I have a patriotic duty to do so, the more easily that they may be spotted by the people our government employs to track down those who make threats against the President.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:38 am

If you ever did any research, you might learn to spell “gibberish” you “Lazy sack of shit!!”


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:42 am

A professed atheist sending you to hell. I'm not the religious sort, but far worse is the type that would only believe in Satan and Hell. At least with religion you have God to balance Hell. But only believing in Hell, that would be hell.

Marge: So kids what did you learn about today?
Bart: Hell.
Homer: BART!
Bart: What? That's what we learned about. I sure as hell can't say we learned about hell unless I can say hell now can I?
Homer: Kids got a point Marge.
Bart: Hell yes!
Marge: Bart.
Bart: [sings]Hell, hell, hell, hell, hell.
Marge: Bart, you're no longer in Sunday School. Don't swear.


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:43 am

Actually, id like to call obama a nigger, but unfortunately, i cant..Hes not black…He didnt come out of a black vagina…I will say he is from africa…That much is true..No one in america who respects the Constitution and has honor for the rule of law in this country will ever accept obama as president…History will never record obama as president…He is not the president, cannot be the president and will never be the president…obama is a fraud who has total lack of respect for our republic rule of law..He is a narcissist and a total liar…He has lied about everything since the day he fraudulently took office,,.I actually wish he was black, but hes not..Hes actuallmore arab than black..He would be properly called a mulatto bi-racial with a strong arab bloodline..He isnt even an american…At least i would be willing to bet on it..His taking office was the biggest hoax and fraud ever perpetrated on the american people in over 230 years and history will record it as such..


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:45 am

im guessing ur an asshole…


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:46 am

If all u can do is attack my spelling then u are one weak sob…hahaah


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:47 am

I have already proven that birthers tell the stupidest lies.

Now I will prove that birthers will lie about ANYTHING.

The other day, on the “Birthers Latch Onto Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate” thread, Tuci78 got all worked up over an instance of what he considered unforgivable government waste and corruption.

He went on and on about an airport that was allegedly built as a monument to John Murtha's ego. This airport, Tuci78 informed us, is “big, huge.” It is underutilized and therefore wasteful. It also has a grand total of three flights per weekday. I checked.

When I finished laughing to myself about what Tuci78 thinks a “big, huge airport” is, I mocked him about it.

He lied.

He tried to claim that he had stated that he was referring to the size of the “boondoggle” as big, huge, not the airport itself.

But he lied. And I caught him on it. He won't like reading this, but you will:

______________________________

–Tuci78, one day ago

“Yet another load of lies from that stinking bucket of filth, little stevie.

Let's see what he's flung this time.

What's “big, huge,” of course, about “Ft. Murtha” – that cavernous waste of DoD budget in Cambria County, Pennsylvania – is the size of the boondoggle, the uselessness of the expenditure, the criminality of this spectacular peculation against the welfare of the nation.

And on that, what more been be said.

The adventitious italicization above resulted when I failed to close the HTML tag on the italicization of a book title – The Vintage Mencken. Such italicization of book titles – when possible – is standard in almost all manuals of style, including that of the AMA.

And therefore yet again to hell with little stevie.”
__________________________________

–stephenperry, 7 minutes ago

“What more been be said?” I'll tell ya what more been be said.

YOU wrote about a “big, huge airport.” Not a big, huge boondoggle.

You called the AIRPORT “big, huge.” Want me to get the full sentence? I never mind quoting you, you know.

Here's your sentence, taken from your post to me in the “Birthers Latch Onto Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate” thread, 2 days ago:

“Rep. Murtha wants a big, huge airport in Johnstown named after him, and it only serves four flights a day – all of 'em to Washington City?”

See that? Big, huge airport.

So, Tuci78, you lied. Yet again. Getting boring by now. Make up better lies.

No one is bothered by an italicized book title. You italicized a whole book's worth of writing. Not that it bothers anyone. It's just fun to point out that you're a feeb who can't figure out his computer doohickey.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Don't worry birthers. Change is gonna come. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvayzIktTJ4


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:53 am

You already did call him a nigger.

Remember, I included it in that letter to your mother.

I must remind myself that reading comprehension is not one of your core strengths.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:56 am

No. I attacked your lies too.

Remember the Politico article? Wall Street Journal? Buffalo Gazette?

Better do some homework or watch some television. You're getting your ass handed to you here.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 4:56 am

Oh-for-seven!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Classic Simpsons are the best Simpsons. Except for the new stuff. :)


jjfitz
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 5:32 am

The feeling is mutual.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

My Digital Phase-Locked Loop only needs the one crystal.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 12:39 pm

So what are you doing with that little lump of plastic scrap instead of piezoelectric quartz in your receiver? Jeez, no wonder you’re just sitting there with that stupid Obamaphile look on your puss.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 7:54 am

Oh, but there is certainly a hell. Look at the 20th Century and tell one and all that the socialists aren't experts in creating hell on an industrial scale.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 7:55 am

You betcha, lying little lawyer. Gotcher number, don't we?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

I thought it was more appropiate to use it receiving the Continuous Waves from your state of the art spark-gap transmitter.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 8:17 am

“Washington City” is (like “these United States”) a way to refer to Mordor – er, the District of Columbia – once in common use in this nation, to distinguish the fever swamp on the Potomac whence the miasma of government malfeasance creeps to sicken our people from Washington state, just as “New York City” is yet in common use to distinguish that political entity from “New York State.”

And – how else? – little stevie, that sack of uncomposted manure, lies and lies and lies and lies. Kinda wish he'd just prevaricate now and then as a change-up, but all he's got is that weak stuff. Just a pathological liar.

And interested parties are encouraged to look into John Murtha Johnstown-Cambria County Airport – known locally as “Ft. Murtha” – <a href=”http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/23/murtha.airport/ reported:

“JOHNSTOWN, Pennsylvania (CNN) — Located outside a small Pennsylvania city, John Murtha airport may not see many passengers. But it's seen plenty of arrivals of tax dollars from Washington, most recently economic stimulus funds.

“The airport offers three commercial flights. In between the arrivals and departures, airport officials admit there are few faces around the facility.

“'When the flights are coming in, there are people. Other than that, it's empty,' said Scott Voelker, manager of the John Murtha Johnstown-Cambria County Airport.

“But one face is everywhere. Rep. John Murtha, the airport's namesake, is hard to miss.

“Considered one of 'the kings of pork' on Capitol Hill by taxpayer watchdog groups, the 19th-term Pennsylvania Democrat has piloted almost $200 million from Washington to Murtha airport. Much of the funding has come in the form of legislative earmarks that are attached to bills before Congress.”

The Washington Post commented:

“The John Murtha airport sits on a windy mountain two hours east of Pittsburgh, a 650-acre expanse of smooth tarmac, spacious buildings, a helicopter hangar and a National Guard training center.

“Inside the terminal on a recent weekday, four passengers lined up to board a flight, outnumbered by seven security staff members and supervisors, all suited up in gloves and uniforms to screen six pieces of luggage. For three hours that day, no commercial or private planes took off or landed. Three commercial flights leave the airport on weekdays, all bound for Dulles International Airport.

“The key to the airport's gleaming facilities — and, indeed, its continued existence — is $200 million in federal funds in the past decade and the powerful patron who steered most of that money here. Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) is credited with securing at least $150 million for the airport. It was among the first in the country to win funding from this year's stimulus package: $800,000 to repave a backup runway.

“The facility, newly renamed the John Murtha Johnstown-Cambria County Airport, is a testament to Murtha's ability to tap streams of federal money for pricey, state-of-the-art projects that are rare among regional airports of comparable size.

“Murtha, dubbed the King of Pork by critics, consistently directs more federal money to his district than any other congressman — $192 million in the 2008 budget. His pattern of steering millions in earmarks to defense contractors who give to his campaign and hire his allies as lobbyists is being scrutinized by the FBI as part of an investigation of a lobbying firm led by one of Murtha's closest friends.

Be sure to read the rest.

Plenty of proof that this “big, huge” waste of DoD budget (and therefore taxpayer dollars) survives only because National Socialist heavyweight John Murtha – with the seniority needed to keep steering your money, dear readers all over the nation – to this POS monument to the peculating power of a senior incumbent, and that it will die when Murtha – one way or another – leaves the Congress.

'Cause the junior guy who replaces him won't be able to keep up the flow of porkfat to keep “Ft. Murtha” running.

And as all can see yet again – like you needed proof? – little stevie is a contemptible Obamaphile liar.

Like that, oodgy-woogums iddle stevie?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 1:36 pm

The founders also feared that without safeguards a plutocracy would supplant our Constitution.

There’s no idea in your head of a balancing engine, just the continuous complaint that the wealthy are being destroyed even though they live in a society powerful enough to protect such vast wealth. I’m sure when We the Filthy Little People demanded that children be pulled out of fields and factories and instead put into schools that the poor, poor rich were being murdered over such a socialist tyranny- yet the 98% literacy rate is the larger part of the larger wealth created.

What you propose has not been tried in America because your ideas don’t actually work. Your ideas are merely the shenanigans some crank think tank comes up with to reap the virtues, while shifting the actual costs of progress to another generation and/or class of citizenry.


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

The truth always upsets u obot lovers…For some strange inexplicable reason, u just cant allow urself to see “truth”..obama is a liar and has lied about EVERYTHING since he fraudulently took office..History will bear true witness to my rants, as u say!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 12:30 pm

Yep,,,,,ur zero and im 7…what a loser!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

You didnt attack any lies..Your use of politico, gazette or any others is just propaganda and carries no weight whatsoever…I honestly could whip ur ass in any debate with both hands tied behind my back and wearing a blindfold!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 12:35 pm

Like i said before, alinsky tactics are old, used and worn out..Come up with something new..Personal attacks dont cut the mustard little boy..Of course, i understand when u dont have any facts, no substance, cant defend the truth, afraid to discuss the facts and “common sense” (of which u have none), then all u can do is demean and belittle….hahahaaha You are so juvenile, insecure and afraid it is actually funny!!!….Tell ur mom and dad they dropped the ball with u…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 12:35 pm

On those infrequent occasions when Barry Soetoro comes forth to state something explicitly (see “Why All the Lies?” by Rob Sandwell in this week's issue of The Libertarian Enterprise), bringing it up to the Obamaphiles evokes weaseling so musteline that you can smell their piss the moment you open your Web browser.

To quote the closing paragraphs of Mr. Sandwell's article:

“Whether you like it or not, government is gonna be involved. Because they say so, and they have the guns.

“They know they can do any damn thing they please, and if you don't like it, they can shoot you.

“This is why those supporting nationalized health care feel free to hedge and obfuscate and, when pressed, outright lie in defense of their position. Because they don't really need your compliance.”

“They can simply compel it.”

(( emphasis in the original ))

I strongly recommend a reading in full of Mr. Sandwell's essay, as it specifies in some detail many of the prevarications implemented by our Marxist Mahdi in his effort to “tax and rape” the health care sector of our national economy.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Stop stop stop. Or at least slow down.

I’m still laughing too hard at the part where you wrote “propaganda.” I haven’t made it to the part where you used the word “honestly.”

You’re going to have to pace yourself, if not for your sake then for your audience’s.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

Usually he isn’t able to make himself heard because the pillowcase he sobs into muffles his rants.

And he usually sobs himself to sleep before he makes it past the “he’s not the president, cannot be the president, and never will be the president” part.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

“Killer apes?”

No way! Somebody go get Randwulf. He LOVES killer apes!

And then someone get a liberal to help Tuci78 figure out how to work his computer, before he underlines his way to a new language.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Sounds like you didn’t do so well in “voodoo economics,” as taught by George H.W. Bush.

You don’t believe that giving to the rich ultimately trickles down to the poor?

What, have you been living in America for the past generation or something? Come on, let’s go to the American Enterprise Institute and watch a short film about how the problem is that we haven’t gone far enough over to the dark side.


drlove999
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

Just another point of interest as to what this fraud and usurper is costing our country..Of course, NO ONE IN THE NEWS REPORTS THIS, but if u have ears and a brain to comprehend what this fraud is doing , hear this…It supposedly cost taxpayers $24,000 for obama to take his wife out to dinner and a show….Here is the real cost that the news media (obamas whores and pimps) failed to mention…Here is the real cost….PRETTY EXTREME, EVEN FOR OUR PRESIDENT…I WOULD SAY STAY HOME AT THIS
COST… FYI, STAN USED TO WORK FOR PENNA STATE POLICE/LCE BEFORE BEING ACTIVATED FULL
TIME FLYING C-17'S. HE IS THE LOAD MASTER ON ONE OF THEM.
Greetings,

First, let me say that I've moved three presidents up to now and I've seen
incredible waste. But, the “new” guy really takes the cake. I don't have an
issue with the President promising his wife dinner and a show or that he even
takes his wife out.
But, when I saw the news say that the date cost $24,000 Here's what you DON'T know…

Three days before “dinner” a C-17 flew Marines and the helicopter maintenance equipment to JFK Airport .
The day before “dinner” I flew the USSS and the motorcade to JFK Airport .
Our crew of 5 spent two days and nights at the Hilton in Times Square . My hotel bill: $621.66 plus $64 a day in per diem. The USSS guys
were at a different Hilton in NYC, so figure that cost another $14,000 (or so) plus per diem.

The Marines had to have cost as much and were there four days, so figure another $55,000 plus per diem (for 44 Marines).

We were supposed to fly the motorcade back and go home, but the Air Force was so short C-17's that we were re-tasked

to take the motorcade back, return to JFK and take the helicopter back to Quantico .
When we got back to JFK, while the pilot was turning the plane around to park, he noticed a roto blade sticking out of the hangar where the helicopter
was parked and informed me that either it wasn't ready to transport or it was flying home. After shutting down I walked over to the hangar and to my
surprise I find FIVE helicopters, not ONE.
We're obviously not transporting five big helicopters. I went and talked to the Marines guarding the “fleet” and found that they were flying all
five helicopters home and we were only transporting the Marines and the maintenance equipment. After talking to the Marine(s) in charge, I was
told that the White House requested FIVE helicopters. The Marines told me that they spent all morning trying to figure out how much it cost them to
come and said they figured it cost them $140,000 to stay there (I don't know where they came up with that) and the trip's total had to be about $1,000,000.
We heard that the President didn't use Air Force One (the 747) so I asked if he came in on one of the 757's. I was told that he came in on THREE Air Force
Lear jets.
So, date night consisted of:
2 C-17's flying three missions.
3 Lear jets
5 Helicopters
presidential Motorcade
44 Marines
More than 20 USSS personnel on our plane
Who knows what it cost the NYPD and NY Port Authority (at the airport) in overtime.

If you remember the message I sent about the Trinidad mission for the Summit of the America's, I found out that they spent their entire budget for
his movement on that one trip.
Stan

******************
NOTE TWO (received 8/19/09)

Got this email from someone in my 9-12 group. Not surprising. Please pass on if you feel so inclined.

THIS PATRIOT SHOWS US WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST AND WHY WE MUST PRESS ON!

This is from a woman who lives in Bozeman, Montana. Thought you would be interested in the truth about how his visits are orchestrated. Her husband is a former Navy pilot and Delta Airlines captain.

Hello All,

By now you have probably heard that President Obama came to Montana last Friday. However, there are many things that the major news has not covered. I feel that since Bill and I live here and we were at the airport on Friday I should share some facts with you. Whatever you decide to do with the information is up to you. If you chose to share this email with others I do ask that you DELETE my email address before you forward this on.

On Wednesday, August 5th it was announced locally that the President would be coming here. There are many groups here that are against his healthcare and huge spending so those groups began talking and deciding on what they were going to do. The White House would not release ANY details other than the date.

On about Tuesday Bill found out that they would be holding the “Town Hall” at the airport. (This is only because Bill knows EVERYONE at the airport) Our airport is actually located outside of Belgrade (tiny town) in a very remote location. Nothing is around there. They chose to use a hangar that is the most remotely located hangar. You could not pick a more remote location, and you can not get to it easily. It is totally secluded from the public.

FYI: We have many areas in Belgrade and Bozeman which could have held a large amount of folks with sufficient parking. (gymnasiums/auditoriums). All of which have chairs and tables, and would not have to be SHIPPED IN!! $$$$$

During the week, cargo by the TONS was being shipped in constantly. Airport employees could not believe how it just kept coming. Though it was our President coming several expressed how excessive it was, especially during a recession. $$$$$

Late Tuesday/early Wednesday the 12th, they said that tickets would be handed out on Thursday 9am at two locations and the president would be arriving around 12:30 Friday.

Thursday morning about 600 tickets were passed out. However, 1500 were printed at a Local printing shop per White House request. Hmmmm……900 tickets just DISAPPEARED.

This same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch and said that THOUSANDS of Dollars of Lobster were shipped in for Obama. Montana has some of the best beef in the nation!!! And it would have been really wonderful to help out the local economy. Anyone heard of the Recession?? Just think…with all of the traveling the White House is doing. $$$$$ One can only imagine what else we are paying for.

On Friday Bill and I got out to the airport about 10:45am. The groups that wanted to protest Obama's spending and healthcare had gotten a permit to protest and that area was roped off. But that was not to be. A large bus carrying SEIU (Service Employees International Union) members drove up onto the area (illegal)and unloaded right there. It was quite a commotion and there were specifically 2 SEIU men trying to make trouble and start a fight. Police did get involved and arrested the one man but they said they did not have the manpower to remove the SEIU crowd.

The SEIU crowd was very organized and young. About 99% were under the age of 30 and they were not locals! They had bullhorns and PROFESSIONALLY made signs. Some even wore preprinted T-shirts. Oh, and Planned Parenthood folks were with them…..professing abortion rights with their T-shirts and preprinted signs. (BTW, all these folks did have a permit to protest in ANOTHER area)

Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid confrontation. They were orderly and respectful. Even though SEIU kept coming over and walking through, continuing to be very intimidating and aggressive at the direction of the one SEIU man.

So we had Montana folks from ALL OVER the state with their homemade signs and their DOGS with homemade signs. We had cowboys, nurses, doctors you name it. There was even a guy from Texas who had been driving through. He found out about the occasion, went to the store, made a sign, and came to protest.

If you are wondering about the press……Well, all of the major networks were over by that remote hangar I mentioned. They were conveniently parked on the other side of the buildings FAR away. None of these crowds were even visible to them. I have my doubts that they knew anything about the crowds.

We did have some local news media around us from this state and Idaho. Speaking of the local media…they were invited. However, all questions were to be turned into the White House in advance of the event. Wouldn't want anyone to have to think off the top of their head.

It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare. Even those people that talked about their insurance woes……..the White House called our local HRDC (Human Resource and Development Committee) and asked for names. Then the White House asked those folks to come. Smoke and mirrors…EVERYTHING was staged!!!!!!!!!!!

I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House. The amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not living in the United States of America, more like the USSR!! I was physically nauseous. Bill and I have been around when Presidents or Heads of State visit. It has NEVER been like this. I am truly very frightened for our country. America needs your prayers and your voices.. If you care about our country please get involved. Know the issues. And let Congress hear your voices again and again!! If they are willing to put forth so much effort to BULLY a small town one can only imagine what is going on in Washington DC. Scary!!

Kathy

Bozeman, Montana
****************


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

We should ask “Stan” and “Kathy” what it took to upgrade Crawford, Texas from a backwater to the place where the President spent more “vacation” time than any other President in American history.

Crawford didn't have high-speed internet service, let alone secure broadband capability, before Bush became President.

Where do we sign up to get some of the copper wire that was installed but is now useless?

And who the hell are “Stan” and “Kathy?”

Not real credible, drlove999. Not even as credible as the fake Waldorf-Astoria hotel receipt.

But even if I granted you that Obama's date with his wife cost the taxpayers something, it didn't cost a trillion dollars and counting. That was the bill for George W. Bush's date with destiny, in the form of his trumped-up war of choice.

“If you care about our country please get involved. Know the issues.”

And know that drlove999 tells dumber lies than Tuci78, who lies even about the number of flights leaving a 3-flight-a-day airport that he calls a “big, huge airport.”


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Is this you writing to yourself again? It reads like you wrote it for yourself. Except you left out your chronic misspelling and your chronic fixation with assholes.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

No way are you seven years old. I pegged you at 12.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

You can't even type “you” or “your,” much less look at the truth. We're not using Twitter here, genius.

You have ranted, this is true. But history will not remember you or your rants. If you're lucky, half a dozen of us will remember you next month. But I'm being optimistic. More like two people will remember you. Me and Tuci78, who is grateful for anyone who makes HIM look more credible.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

“If you don't like it they can shoot you.”

Uh, yeah. Totally non-paranoid, non-delusional, and non-absurd.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

Washington City?

No. It has never been known as Washington City. You just cannot admit when you're wrong.

In 1871, the Territory of Columbia merged with the City of Washington. It became known as the District of Columbia. D.C. for short.

Never was known as Washington City.

Just like a 3-flight-a-day airport is not “big, huge.”

Oh yeah, and you lied about the number of flights per day. You indicated it was four. It's three. Another silly lie.

I am beyond calling you names, since I now feel sorry for you, Tuci78. But your habit of digging in deeper when you find yourself in a hole is really stupid.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

You don't have my number.

But you can have my email address:

randwulfisamonkey@gmail.com


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

You are all over the place. Atheist, Agnostic, and now a confirmed believer in hell, which you alternate between capitalizing and not capitalizing.

But at least you finally got one right. If we look at the 20th century, we indeed see that no socialist is expert in creating hell on any scale, industrial or otherwise.

Glad to see that you finally wrote something that is true. One senses you didn't mean it though.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

The Long Arm of the Law reaches the comment boards of a liberal website!

You will recall that Tuci78, master of the alliterative assassination threat and spinner of sodomy-themed prison yarns, recently threatened to tattle on yours truly for using profanity. He mentioned his email to Mr. Aaron Wiener, and when I mocked Tuci78 about it, he told me to wait until Monday.

I know. I know. I have no business using potty mouth (potty keyboard) just because I'm responding to racist violent-threat-makers who are in fact using potty mouth (potty keyboard).

It's just that it's so much fun.

Well, it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt. And, apparently, Tuci78 got hurt. He told us that he tattled to Mr. Aaron Wiener, after all.

I now have an email exchange to present to you, between Mr. Aaron Wiener and myself. It didn't occur on Monday, though. I just read Mr. Wiener's email and responded to it five minutes ago.

Here it is, with nary an alteration. Except I deleted his direct-dial phone number. I hope you will enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed reading and responding to it.

“Dear Stephen,

Thank you for your frequent and lively contributions to the comment threads on The Washington Independent. I'd urge you, though, to avoid using profanity, which detracts from the debate. I'm aware that certain commenters — to whom I've made similar requests — can be less than polite in their comments, and that you're simply responding in kind, but I assure you that you'll be that much more persuasive if you don't resort to profanity. I'd hate to have to start taking down your comments, which have sparked such lively debate.

Thanks, and keep reading!

Aaron Wiener


Aaron Wiener
Assistant Editor
The Washington Independent
awiener@washingtonindependent.com
http://washingtonindependent.com/author/awiener
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“Stephen Perry
to Aaron

show details 3:05 PM (0 minutes ago)

Thanks for the email urging me to avoid using profanity, Mr. Wiener.

You can take my comments down or leave them up, as you wish. I would imagine that removing my comments would suggest that you'd need to remove almost every birther comment, since the birthers are more profane than I am. They just aren't as artful.

Regardless, you can watch for a decrease in profanity in my posts. You probably have noticed that I dramatically cut the profanity from my birther-directed posts several days ago.

Since you indicate that you have made similar requests to “certain commenters,” who I am certain I could not name in three guesses if the first two didn't count, I will be sure to watch for a decrease in assassination threats against the President; a decrease in graphic and profane prison sodomy fantasies concerning the President; and a decrease in graphic and profane sexual references to myself personally, as well.

Sincerely,

Stephen Perry”

It's almost funny enough to make me use a four letter word. “Damn.” Oh hell I couldn't help it. Oh shit I cursed by accident. I'd better just hit “post as stephenperry” before I get myself consigned to a place where Satan isn't naughty enough to keep me company.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

The Long Arm of the Law reaches the comment boards of a liberal website!

You will recall that Tuci78, master of the alliterative assassination threat and spinner of sodomy-themed prison yarns, recently threatened to tattle on yours truly for using profanity. He mentioned his email to Mr. Aaron Wiener, and when I mocked Tuci78 about it, he told me to wait until Monday.

I know. I know. I have no business using potty mouth (potty keyboard) just because I'm responding to racist violent-threat-makers who are in fact using potty mouth (potty keyboard).

It's just that it's so much fun.

Well, it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt. And, apparently, Tuci78 got hurt. He told us that he tattled to Mr. Aaron Wiener, after all.

I now have an email exchange to present to you, between Mr. Aaron Wiener and myself. It didn't occur on Monday, though. I just read Mr. Wiener's email and responded to it five minutes ago.

Here it is, with nary an alteration. Except I deleted his direct-dial phone number. I hope you will enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed reading and responding to it.

“Dear Stephen,

Thank you for your frequent and lively contributions to the comment threads on The Washington Independent. I'd urge you, though, to avoid using profanity, which detracts from the debate. I'm aware that certain commenters — to whom I've made similar requests — can be less than polite in their comments, and that you're simply responding in kind, but I assure you that you'll be that much more persuasive if you don't resort to profanity. I'd hate to have to start taking down your comments, which have sparked such lively debate.

Thanks, and keep reading!

Aaron Wiener


Aaron Wiener
Assistant Editor
The Washington Independent
awiener@washingtonindependent.com
http://washingtonindependent.com/author/awiener
________________________________
|
“Stephen Perry
to Aaron

show details 3:05 PM (0 minutes ago)

Thanks for the email urging me to avoid using profanity, Mr. Wiener.

You can take my comments down or leave them up, as you wish. I would imagine that removing my comments would suggest that you'd need to remove almost every birther comment, since the birthers are more profane than I am. They just aren't as artful.

Regardless, you can watch for a decrease in profanity in my posts. You probably have noticed that I dramatically cut the profanity from my birther-directed posts several days ago.

Since you indicate that you have made similar requests to “certain commenters,” who I am certain I could not name in three guesses if the first two didn't count, I will be sure to watch for a decrease in assassination threats against the President; a decrease in graphic and profane prison sodomy fantasies concerning the President; and a decrease in graphic and profane sexual references to myself personally, as well.

Sincerely,

Stephen Perry”

It's almost funny enough to make me use a four letter word. “Damn.” Oh hell I couldn't help it. Oh shit I cursed by accident. I'd better just hit “post as stephenperry” before I get myself consigned to a place where Satan isn't naughty enough to keep me company.


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 12:08 am

I wrote it explicitly for an asshole like u!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Read the following if u can understand english asshole….In 1967, a young man born Barack Hussein Obama II, was adopted by his step-father Lolo Soetoro, when the family moved to Jakarta Indonesia. Pursuant to this adoption, he was legally renamed Barry Soetoro, his citizenship was declared as Indonesian so he could attend school, and his religion was declared to be Islam. See Exhibit 1. The divorce decree between Ann Soetoro and Lolo Soetoro of 1980 further confirms that Barry Soetoro, age 19 at the time of the divorce, was the legal child of his adoptive father, Lolo Soetoro. See Exhibit 2.
Barry Soetoro moved to Hawaii to live with his maternal grandmother in 1971, when he was 10 years old. It is believed that this is when Barry Soetoro first reassumed some form of his birth name, Barack or Barry Obama. Nonetheless, in 1981, when he was twenty years old, he traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan, India and Kenya on a passport that was not an American passport, exercising his foreign citizenship after his 18th birthday. There is no record and no claim by any party that Barry Soetoro affirmed US Citizenship by means of an oath before a magistrate after his eighteenth birthday.
Soetoro completed two years at Occidental College in California, before transferring to Columbia, where he allegedly completed his undergraduate degree. Soetoro is believed to have entered Columbia under the assumed name Barack Obama. Soetoro is alleged to have gone on to Harvard Law School, received a law degree and returned to Chicago to act as a community organizer with organizations such as ACORN.
Soetoro joined the Illinois Bar Association as Barack Obama, and claimed under oath that he had never been known by any other name. He later ran as a candidate for
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state senate under an umbrella party (the New Party) of the Socialist Workers’ Party in 1996. Soetoro was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1997 under the name Barack Obama, and held the post until 2004, when he was elected to the US Senate under the same name.
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Soetoro began running for the Presidency of the United States in 2007 under the assumed name Barack Obama, until he was inaugurated, when he assumed the name Barack Hussein Obama (still not his birth name) for purposes of holding the Presidency.
At all material times in his political career, Soetoro has held himself out under assumed names, none of which were his birth name or his legal name.
Soetoro was born to British National father named Barack Hussein Obama on August 4, 1961, and an American mother named Stanley Ann Dunham. The site of his birth has not been established. In 1964, Kenya became a sovereign nation, and his father’s nationality became Kenyan. Soetoro has admitted that he believed he held Kenyan citizenship until 1982, although his Indonesian citizenship likely destroyed his Kenyan/British citizenship. There is no evidence that Soetoro reaffirmed his British citizenship by oath following his 18th birthday, and there is no evidence that Soetoro reaffirmed his Kenyan citizenship following his 18th birthday, although he did exercise some foreign citizenship when he travelled to Pakistan in 1981. The nationality of his passport is unknown at this time.
The only eye-witness to the birth of Soetoro is his paternal grandmother, Sara Obama, who allegedly stated that she witnessed his birth in Coast Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. See Exhibit 3. To date, there are no witnesses to Soetoro’s birth in Honolulu, Hawaii – no OB-GYN, no mid-wife, no nurse, no hospital, no neighbor, no acquaintance,
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If Soetoro was born in Kenya as alleged, Soetoro’s mother was incapable of passing citizenship to Soetoro because of her age and because of the immigration laws in place at that time. Soetoro would be unable to obtain citizenship by means of a simple oath following his Indonesian citizenship; instead, Soetoro would be required to apply for entry and citizenship like millions of others around the world seeking entry into the US.
Notwithstanding his British, Kenyan and Indonesian citizenships, his father’s citizenship alone is sufficient to disqualify Soetoro from the Presidency under Article II, Section I, paragraph 5 of the U.S. Constitution.
Instead of being forthcoming, Soetoro has obfuscated, hidden, and spent over $1 million to keep his birth and schooling records a secret.
Pelosi and Reed certified to the state of Arizona that Soetoro was eligible to hold the office of POTUS, and certified to the remaining fifty states that Soetoro was duly nominated to be the Democrat candidate to the office of the Presidency.
John Does and Jane Does 1-2 are members of the media and press organizations who were informed of the controversy surrounding the birth site of Soetoro and the controversy surrounding his eligibility for the office of the Presidency because of his failure to meet natural born citizen status, and elected to cover-up and defend Soetoro rather than report the facts underlying the controversy.
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drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 12:36 am

I pegged u to be locked away in a padded cell with occasional internet privileges asshole!!!..


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 12:44 am

Ive never met anyone in my life who spends his ever waking moments defending a ghost, a whisper, a fraud, a usurper…Damn man, cant u find somebody to defend thats worth defending…This is the problem with u obots..You put the truth out there and they immediately (i mean u) start to find a way to discredit it…..obama sure has an advocate in his corner..The really sad thing is u are supporting and defending a NOTHING AND A LIAR…This is where u are a sick puppy and a lost american who has drunk way too much obama kool-aid!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 12:46 am

You will always be an asshole till the day u die..Nothing on earth will ever change u so i have accepted asshole and ignorant sob as ur adopted titles given to u by ur sick parents who were too ashamed to tell u!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:08 am

I’d be delighted to ask a socialist those questions. It would be a treat. You never see any socialists on this continent.

I’d have LOTS of questions for them. Like, “what do you think of America and our capitalist system?”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:11 am

Aw, poor little stevie. He’s such a liar that he knows he couldn’t even get factual reality out of talking to himself.

He even lies about his socialism, and that’s about the only thing we really know about him. He’s a socialist.

Oh, yeah. And he’s a liar.

And therefore to hell with him, right?

Of course right!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:35 am

Aw, little stevie is now lying about the nature of government.

Given up lying about John Murtha Johnstown-Cambria County Airport, little bumwad?

Aw, I liked posting information that shows how utterly and completely a lying little scumbucket you truly are.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:44 am

See above. Little stevie's lying again (so what else is new?)

The correct link to the CNN article on “Ft. Murtha” is “Remote Murtha airport lands big bucks from Washington

A video version of the report from CNN is on YouTube for those of you who like such thing, discussing other “big, huge” boondoggles in the districts of pork-sucking politicians like National Socialist John Murtha.

Even Politico reported on it a couple of months ago.

Does it bother little stevie to be caught in lie after lie, including his lies about his Mombasa Messiah, Fraudulence-in-Chief of these United States?

Nope. His conscience was surgically excised on the day he got his degree from the Close-Cover-Before-Striking School of Law & Sanitary Engineering (little stevie can empty your wastebaskets as well as your bank account).

And therefore to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:49 am

Hey, yet more lies. This time about socialists – lying little stevie's brand of “kinder, warmer, friendlier socialists – being in no way similar to the socialists who inflicted the greatest death toll (numerically and proportionally) in the whole history of man's inhumanity to man.

Little suggestion. Any time a socialist waxes poetic about his vision of “a better world,” ask him about how he's going to handle people who don't want to go along with him.

Ask him. Keep asking. Really push, okay?

When you get right down to the chewy center of his little granola bar, even little stevie is going to snarl and glower and growl: “Then we'll kill them!

All in the name of making “a better world.”

For little stevie.

A world safe for lying, thieving, enslaving socialist lawyers.

Hey, isn't that the kind of world you want to live in, reader?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:27 am

Hey, it's not like I didn't warn the lying little pile of filth.

Clean up your act, little stevie.

Better yet, buzz off.

And therefore to hell with him.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:22 am

Obama is a politician. Democrats are wise enought to understand that we send men and women, not angels to Washington. But Republicans can't do that, they will never audit the party faithful. Why did LBJ decide not to run again? Did he know the democrats were about to fire him over Vietnam? Despite a glorious social record(in our terms of course). Nevertheless, LBJ had to go. Democrats have a much better track record firing thier own. Basically, your complaint is really that Obama is a Democrat and Obama was duly elected by the people. This is your true complaint. And this birther crap is just another fraud that prevents you from dealing with frauds more 'politically aligned' with you.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:30 am

I'm not going to defend John Murtha on everything. There are in fact corrupt Democrats. At least we realize we send humans and not angels to Washington. If the side you fight for (although you say you dont) had half of that self-modesty, we wouldnt be split in two wars. Having got in them with no concept of how to get out. If you really want to bother a Democrat, state how similar Barry's policies arent so different. Outside of that complaint, you are just another partisan, no matter what intellectual trappings you propose.

Tuci, you're too smart to be a birther. Something else is at play. You choose your thoughts to carefully to be aligned with this. The socialist complaint is the real complaint, and this birther crap seems just a convenient feather in your cap.

joe


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:33 am

It's a good video, not polotics. just good music.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:35 am

I like the Tolkien metaphor, but you have it wrong. You work for Mordor. You are an Orc that argues that whatsoever is good for master, is good for all.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:39 am

This fact-and-fun-filled declaration is inadmissible. It purports to have exhibits but the exhibits are not attached.

Did you learn NOTHING from Orly Taitz's example, drlove999? Her motion containing the Kenyan birf sirtifikat got stricken from the record.

Your excerpt from a “citizen's grand jury” “indictment” would have made for more amusing reading if you'd included the exhibits.

Oh, and you only have TWO Doe defendants. If you think the media and press are in on a cover-up, you're gonna need a HELL OF A LOT more Does.

Better luck next time, Dudley Do-right.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:40 am

You “warned” me?

Oh, ok. You warned me that I'd get a polite email from a guy telling me that he knows I'm just responding in kind, but nonetheless urging me to avoid using profanity?

That's not quite what you told me. And it's not much of a reprimand. You don't need to be an English major to note that he didn't tell me to stop cussing. I will take my chances, thanks all the same.

After reading a few posts from drlove999 the other day, I decided that I wanted to distinguish myself from his juvenile name-calling. But if you think that means I won't tell you to go fuck yourself, you haven't been paying attention at all in the last month.

But I'll wait to tell you such a thing until you come up with more than the weary repetition of your false and unsupported claim that I lie, and certainly more than the equally weary and dull way you force yourself to stammer about hell.

How's that hunt for an independent prosecutor coming, Tuci78? Orly will be back soon. Keep your fingers crossed.

If this is what results from your warnings, what are we to make of your incessant jabber about Obama heading to Leavenworth?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:43 am

What is an “ever waking moment?” Is it one of those things where, like, apostrophes magically disappear from every birther post you read?

'Cause that's totally happened to me.

Otherwise your post is complete gibberish as usual.

Got any proof for any of your lies? How about a citizen's grand jury presentment or a made-up chain email purporting to be from a military man who resents having to support Obama's date night with his wife?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:44 am

It IS explicit, in the sense that 2 Live Crew's lyrics are explicit.

Otherwise there is very little proof that it was written.

Something about a thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters comes to mind.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:46 am

Now, why would someone in a padded cell be allowed to use the internet?

“Grampa, didn't you wonder why you were getting a check every week?” — Lisa Simpson

“I figured it was 'cuz the Demmycrats were in power again!” — Grampa Simpson

Why did you put two periods after the three exclamation points?

I was all set to give you credit for correctly spelling “privileges,” too.

And then you had to go and fuck up that good vibe.

Oh well.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:47 am

Would you like a Kleenex? Your nose started running again during that rant.

It's okay. Go ahead and blow. Feel better?

No? Oh. It's probably because you're still dumb as a post.

Crying won't fix that.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:47 am

Oh, hell, there are tons of corrupt Republicans, too.

It's not that we're supposed to have angels in public office but rather that the powers of public office are intrinsically susceptible to abuse. It's not that power corrupts, but that positions of power draw the corrupt.

The only way to prevent the corrupt from doing the kinds of damage people like John Murtha (and Ted Stevens; let's be “bipartisan) do is to “bind them down from mischief with the chains of the Constitution.”

The problem with both conservatives and “Liberals” is that they want government – at all levels – to do things that government should not do, many of them explicitly forbidden by the various charters of civil government that legitimatize these agencies at every level from the municipality to Mordor itself.

When people like you, fitz – and in your defense of Barry Soetoro on the qualification issue, you're as “Liberal” as lying little stevie – strive to use the machinery of government to thrust your vision of “a better world” on your neighbors, what you're doing is breaking down the boundaries of limited government and letting people like John Murtha (and Ted Stevens) get away with “legal plunder,” peculation on a grand scale, supposedly “legitimatized” by some perverted vision of “the public good.”

Either those “chains of the Constitution” are kept intact or the “humans” who get sent to Washington (and none of the ones I've voted for – not once in all my life, at either the state or the Congressional district level – has ever gone to Washington to represent me) are going to rob us blind, destroy our national economy, imprison us, enslave us, and murder us.

And, yeah, when it comes to “servicing” the banksters and the other “state capitalist” interests, your Mombasa Messiah looks pretty goddam Republican, doesn't he?

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

Some “Hope.” Some “Change.” Some bucket of swill.

And so I'm partisan. This is something you've just discovered? I'm partisan in favor of individual rights.

Barry is violating those rights.

You support Barry.

Therefore, you're in favor of violating your neighbors' rights to their lives, their liberties, and their property.

See how easy it is?

Now, go and look your neighbors in their faces, and consider for a moment what they'd think of you – what they'd do to you – if they knew what you planned to do to them.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:54 am

Nah. I used to work for Mordor (time in uniform, all those decades ago). I went freelance after that.

I might be Orcish (I prefer to say “Morlock” from an earlier and better book), but I don't march to “The Bonny Black Flag” any more.

(( And if you don't catch the reference, you're a mundane; and therefore to hell with you. ))

Just be careful, little Eloi. I've sworn off anthropophagy for a long, long time.

But that doesn't mean I've lost either the taste for it or the carving knives.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:54 am

I didn't lie about the nature of government.

You, and some dolt named Rob Sandwell, did.

“If you don't like it they can shoot you.” Yeah. That's what it means when the Constitution's First Amendment gives you freedom of speech including without limitation the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

The founding fathers just thought that sounded cooler than “if you don't like it we can shoot you.”

“'The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequity of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper, and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know, MY NAME IS THE LORD, when I lay my vengeance upon thee.' I never really thought about what it means. I just thought it was some cold-blooded shit to say to a motherfucker before I popped a cap in his ass.” — Jules, Pulp Fiction

Ah, let's hope that Mr. Aaron Wiener is a Tarantino fan.

I didn't lie about that stupid little airport, Tuci78. You did. You lied about how many flights it has. You lied about whether you stupidly claimed the airport is “big, huge.”

And it's driving you up the wall that I keep rubbing your nose in it. Two hours ago, days and days ago, I can't remember. Too busy trying to underline this post I'm doing about westernjournalism.com if you really must know.

Tsk.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Just because you use the word 'asshole' five times in a post doesn't make you material. You can view this a fun venting on liberals or a type of respect that WI has not edited your content. I am not aware of any conservative board on which a liberal can make the the type of post you make.

But to be clear: this birther crap is crap. You don't like Obama and you want to undo him, so you are moved by every fantasy that comes your way to that end. That's all this crap is; fully discredited crap.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:56 am

The problem with you, aside from your increasingly-inept use of HTML, is that you have not the foggiest notion of what government should or should not do.

This makes you write absurdity on the regular.

And provides me with something to do until The Simpsons comes on.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:58 am

Yep. I toldya, but you not only snerked at me but mocked Mr. Wiener by name, didn'tcha?

Lying little pile of filth, if you had ever in your life had a morsel of plain decency in your make-up (which all witnessing have ample cause to doubt), you cauterized it away before you ever furunculated on this Web site.

And now you are nothing more than a pack of lies that twitches repulsively in your mommy's basement.

So therefore to hell with you.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:58 am

Got you again Stephie. Hello. I'm a contractor of things software, and when I have work I only work, but here I am again with you good people. I'm still lamenting that the breakfast burritos stopped, but then again I was fired by Obama.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:01 am

You can't use “therefore to hell with you” on jj.

It's already a feeble insult from a feeble mind.

But to re-cycle garbage insults? Sigh.

It's like when Randwulf tried to set forth the etymology of the word “Ratboy” for us.

Pathetic.

“This is no rabble of mindless Orks. These are Orokai. Their swords are broad and their shields are thick.”

But you're neither Ork nor Orokai. More like an old broken-down Hobbit who keeps squeezing something small and hard in his hand, but it's not a ring.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:03 am

I don't think for a moment that you're on a somewhat liberal website trying to persuade the faithful.. you have a different need to be heard. And to the credit of WI (to whom I am not affiliated), they accept the most hateful post to the contrary of what they state that they believe. You only reinforce that I'm in the right place. Thanks.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:04 am

Nah, little stevie lies about everything. Can't help it, the poor Barry-sodden little dollop of dung.

Lies and lies and endless, helpless, hapless, pathological lies. That's all this little lawyer's got.

Not a microgram of common decency in his whole filthy form, the pitiful wreck.

And therefore to hell with him.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:05 am

Nope. No lies from me. Just hysterically-funny hysteria from you. Oh no! The big, huge airport is comin' ta get me! It's gonna hire a fifth full-time employee! It's gonna add a second vending machine in the terminal! Ahhh!!! NOOO!!!!

Hayseed.

You lied about “Washington City.” Never was called that.

Unless you've been to “Miami City,” “Chicago City,” “Los Angeles City,” and “Atlanta City” recently. Last time I was in each of those cities, they weren't named those things.

No. You just can't accept being wrong. And yet, you're wrong so often, one would think you'd develop some sort of hot-key shortcut for it.

I guess you did. It's what allows you to type “And therefore to hell with him” with no effort. A lazy insult, typed lazily.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:05 am

Anything but lies in this little stevie dose of filth?

Nope. As usual.

And therefore to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:07 am

Lying again, little stevie?

Sure! No surprises here. Oh, and he's a Tolkien fan. How predictable. A Luddite “Liberal” as well as a liar.

And therefore to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:09 am

Tsk, little stevie made a typo.

Shoulda been “Nothing but lies” from him.

There, that's better.

And then to hell with him.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:10 am

You're too smart to be a birther Tuci. If you think this really leads to such a socialist hell, I merely say you are going about it the wrong way.

But I wish you well. How is that old spark-gap transmitter working? I expect a clever metaphor.

-joe


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:10 am

I don't think you emphasized enough the crap aspect of his crappy posts. No fooling. It needs to be stressed.

“Put your garbage in a garbage can, people. I can't stress that enough.” — bad parent remediation counselor, The Simpsons


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:15 am

You're too smart to be in the birther crowd. What do you really hope to achieve with this? Would it be as sweet as winning on those ideas? Or are those ideas so weak that they can't be debated outside of this birther nonsense. I call shenanigans, I feel you know better.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:19 am

One of the greatest Simpson quotes that I must've missed. good one.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:19 am

Don't worry about being fired by Obama. If Tuci78 is right, then all politicians are interchangeable and they all want to eat his individual rights with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

Man, don't get me started about breakfast burritos.

I grew up in Albuquerque and I miss the Mexican and New Mexican food.

I had a summer job in high school working at a fireworks factory. I got to drive a forklift and shoot 8 inch bottle rockets that go 300 yards. But the best part of each workday, by far, was when the burrito lady would show up at 10:30 a.m.

Everything stopped when she showed up. The old ladies who worked in production would come off the assembly line. Me and the guys loading boxes of Black Cats onto semi trailers would make a beeline for the burrito lady. No bosses ever said a word. Mouths were too full of eggs and potatoes.

I think that job was one of my best experiences. After July 4, I got to drive a 24 foot Ryder truck through NM, CO, AZ, and UT picking up fireworks that didn't sell at various Wal-Marts, Targets, Circle K's and all the local stores whose names you've never heard of. I slept in hotels and had a $45/day meal per diem. Which meant 8 dollars worth of fast food and a 38 dollar profit. All while driving through beautiful painted desert and listening to U2 on cassette tape in an air conditioned huge truck.

I liked that job so much my Dad actually got mad at me for coming home from work so late. You'd have to know how lazy I was as a boy to understand how odd it was that I enjoyed that laborious job. I liked sports and working out, but not doing yardwork, etc. So Dad couldn't take it. But he liked to watch the bottle rockets, the same as anyone else! Once, I smuggled some to my best friend, in our first summer home after going to different colleges. We shot one of those 8 inch bottle rockets from his roof as we sat there talking a little and drinking a little more. Well, he shot it. Right into a cop's open car window as the cop drove down the street.

I literally have no idea what happened next. I just went back in the house and laughed until we ran out of alcohol.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:21 am

Tsk. The term “birther” is outre, fitz. This is now the qualification issue, as in “prove that Barry Soetoro is qualified to be occupying the high public office in which he's currently committing aggravated assault against the lives, liberties, and property of the American people.”

And, yeah, I'm smart. Experienced, literate, educated, and intelligent. I'm also principled, moral, and ethical. All of this provides the level of functionality to perceive and speak out on misgovernment in general and Barry Soetoro in particular.

Now let's take your effort at flattery at face value. I'm “too smart to be a birther,” and yet I not only take note of the pure rottenness of your Mombasa Messiah but also articulate sound reasons why his evasions on the qualification issue are suspicious in the extreme, and reek of criminality.

Not since Nixon's day have I seen a figure in high political office whose presence in that office and whose abuses of the use of that office's powers made it more imperative that he be torn down and driven out.

I've been here before. I know good and well what needs to be done. Even though I truly despise the Delaware Plagiarist, when faced with a choice between getting mugged and getting murdered, the option to avoid the greater evil must always be chosen.

Now why the hell do you support that inept “poverty pimp” of a Fraudulence-in-Chief?

Aren't you too smart to be an Obamaphile?


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:23 am

I like that you summarize at the top ever and anon. As I feel that this is all that our esteemed visitors ever wanted to do anyhow… command the top. Go large and take the top. :)


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:25 am

I didn't snerk at anyone. What does snerk mean?

I didn't mock Mr. Aaron Wiener. His name is Aaron Wiener. Mr. is short for Mister and is a term of respect.

I don't wear make-up. So I doubt that I have make-up that has a morsel of plain decency in it. Why would you wear make-up that was plain, or morselized? Wouldn't you want to stand out?

I'm not the one lying. You are. And you may or may not be twitching. Whatever you're doing, I will bet my watch that it's repulsive.

Furunculating sounds way more fun than reading your absurdity. Which, admittedly, is good profane fun.

My mother doesn't have a basement. If she did, I wouldn't live down there. It'd be all dark and probably a bit damp and cold.

“What you don't know could fill a warehouse.” –Bart Simpson


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:32 am

No. You're still birthers.

“Siamese twins? Doctor Hibbert, I think they prefer to be called 'conjoined twins.'” –Lisa Simpson

“Uh-huh. And hillbillies prefer to be called 'sons of the soil,' but it ain't gonna happen!” –Dr. Hibbert

You might be experienced. At getting slapped around by liberals because you're a moron. You are neither smart, literate, educated, or intelligent.

Nor are you well-traveled. You think a 3-flight-a-day airport is “big, huge” and you think Socialists are everywhere.

You don't understand anything about government but you're like some sort of political Chicken Little who is running around telling us that the goons with guns are coming to take our underutilized land by force.

What's nifty about you is the Ahab-like monomaniacal focus on Obama to the exclusion of all sane objects of discussion.

“Vengeance on a dumb brute! That smote thee from blindest instinct! This be madness!” –Starbuck

“Don't speak to me of madness, man! I'd strike the sun if it insulted me! … That inscrutable malice is chiefly what I hate. And be the white whale agent or be the white whale, I will have my vengeance upon it.” –Ahab

I never get tired of reminding you how dumb you are. Especially when you try to tell us you're smart. Want to make up another standardized nonexistent test, so that you can earn another nickname? Until you do, you're just plain ol' Tuci78 again.

Team leader, over and out. Until HTML Feeb starts posting again.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:32 am

Hmph. Just responded to this same message on another thread.

Look, I know you're trying to build the proverbial “dung sandwich.” A slice of compliment (insincerely felt and likewise received), a dollop of runny manure, and then another slice of faux praise.

Been there before. Standard bill-of-fare at every medical staff meeting I've ever been forced to attend.

Let's take your “too smart” smarm at face value, then.

Okay, I'm “too smart to be in the birther crowd.” What that means is that someone a helluva lot smarter than most of the posters persisting on this “Liberal” propaganda site, better read, better educated, more intelligent, more articulate (so, okay, I've got a problem with HTML; you try fiddling with those “<” and “>” and “/” symbols down in the lower right-hand side of the keyboard with the kind of arthritis I've got), and more diligent.

So with all that I know – and I can't “un-know” what I know, fitz – what the hell makes you think I can take any other position on this qualification issue (as in “prove that Barry Soetoro is qualified by virtue of natural born citizen status to hold the office of President of these United States”) than the position I've taken?

Every damned indication I can pick up on this “diagnosis” reeks of “pathology.” There is something undeniably rotten about Barry Soetoro, from literally the moment of his birth (wherever in hell it was) to the hour he wakes up this morning. Everything. The man stinks of deceit, of lies, of fraud, of pure malice and venomous hatred for this country – except as this country can be bent to his malignant purposes.

So I ask you – again – why the hell you support this tissue-of-lies fiction that Barry Soetoro has “proven” his qualification, and is therefore to be continued in his malfeasance in public office?

Aren't you too damned smart to be an Obamaphile, fitz?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:34 am

Let's see… What's the proper response? Oh, yea.

“Bite me.”

And therefore to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:35 am

Well, I'd said I have problems with those damned “<” and “>” and “/” keys, didn't I? Good thing I never went into neurosurgery….


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:36 am

Same episode, same guy: “Milk, if left out, CAN go sour. Put it in the refrigerator, or, failing that, a cool wet sack.”

But after the line about garbage in a garbage can, they show Homer taking notes. He wrote “garbage = garbage can.” He looks at his notes and says “Hmm! Makes sense!”

Classic.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:39 am

Not only that, when I take a picture with a group, I'm front and center.

I think of my favorite Aunt. When my Mom graduated from college, she was the first in her family to do so. But her little sister, who was about 20 at the time, didn't want to let anyone else have the spotlight, even for the day of their college graduation.

So she wore a HUGE sombrero to my Mom's graduation. Ridiculously large, so as to attract attention.

You have to love it.

And you have to love all the ridiculous things that birthers write to me. I feel I owe it to the rest of you to make it easier to find these little sustaining nuggets.

Like when Tuci78 tried to tell someone not to impose their preconceived ideas onto reality. I'm surprised his keyboard didn't self-destruct rather than carry out that set of instructions for him. Must not be an American computer.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:41 am

And little stevie is lying again. In the CNN and Washington Post articles I'd cited, they specify “three flights a day,” and somehow little stevie is harping on the difference between three flights a day and four flights a day (all to and from Mordor) as if it's something significant.

Just means two hundred million of your taxpayer dollars wasted on the “Ft. Murtha” boondoggle for even less utility than when four flights a day had been running last year. Ain't that nice?

More lying from little stevie, trying every day in every way to lie.

And therefore to hell with him.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 7:58 am

wow. That is a super interesting experience Stephen. I regret to inform you that my pre-educated years where spent as a breakfast cook in a hospital… where spice and butter kills.

But I did have a long stint in the USAF and got to go with EOD (Explosives Ordinance Disposal) a few times on their holy quest to make new valleys. But disposing of WAO-17 warheads (the business end of our AIM-7 missiles) can only be humanly be appreciated from a bunker with very small Plexiglas windows. But what great valleys we made.

I guess our conservative friends don't understand that if any other nation invaded Massachusetts, I'd be the first one shooting at them, with all the other liberal filth at my side as it was since times immemorial. They have their fantasies about how elections lost is equal to wars lost by freemen, sobeit, the Tory's have always complained so.

As Sam Adams said: “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776″

The 'conservatives' here today are merely the crouch-downs that think the rich are better suited to describe liberty than their own souls. And whatsoever Rush Limbaugh, the American Enterprise Institute, the Ayn Rand Corp, or the Republican Party says, must be done throughout time… that freedom of the many is false guide, and to advance under her council is foolish innovation. We've been here before, we overcame, we will overcome again. It will come again, we will persevere again brother. But I already know you have faith.

The torries are fighting hard, and once again saying their own vision is the only patriotic one, as Massachusetts said then, we say now: fuck off Torry assholes. Just crouch down and lick the HMO hands that feed you.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 8:26 am

What a great post!

I knew there was something else I liked about Sam Adams besides its impressive balance of hops and smooth drinkability.

I wish I could see the valleys being made.

My family is full of military men. I'm extremely proud of them, and of America.

“I don't care if there's a Russian tank rollin' down Flatbush Avenue! I ain't fightin'! So call me a faggot!” — Chris Rock, Bring the Pain

I usually agree with Chris. But not here. I took the ASVAB in high school and was really interested in joining the Army, like my Dad did. The recruiters kept telling me about being a JAG officer. But I ultimately decided that I'd rather take the opportunity my parents and grandparents had worked so hard to give me, and go on to college like my Mom did.

If the Russians or the Tories roll down Flatbush Ave., Wilshire Boulevard, or anywhere in between, I'd be right there behind Sarah Palin and her moose-dropper, drawing a bead on the enemy. Just don't look at me when she quits on us again.

I have more faith than Billy Joel and George Michael put together. The Age of the Liberal is here to stay. Don't believe Nate Silver — we're not losing 20 House seats. Next year, the economy will be better and we'll have a health care reform bill with Democrat signatures. Republicans will be running on a 2 year history of throwing spitwads from the back of the room while Professor Obama is leading a rousing discussion that is of interest to middle-class, mainstream America.

I will take that scenario over anything involving having a Republican defiling the White House with a steady stream of oil & gas execs and Blackwater Christian assassins.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 8:30 am

You could have just gone with the more timely “gag me with a spoon,” Tuci78.

I suppose you are not to blame for your lagging pop culture references.

Do you listen to Wagner on a grammophone, or have you got an 8-track?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 8:34 am

“someone a helluva lot smarter than most of the posters persisting on this 'Liberal' propaganda site…”

You never identified who that someone is. No pronoun anywhere in there.

Oh well. When that someone shows up…do us all a favor and get that someone to show you how to use your fucking keyboard, would you? Thanks.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 8:36 am

Yes, the links specify 3 flights a day.

Which makes it all the more silly that YOU claimed that the “big, huge” airport had “four flights a day, and all of 'em to Washington City.”

At the risk of awakening Mr. Aaron Wiener, I must tell you that you're a fucking dunce.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 8:40 am

Good thing you never went into the practice of medicine.

With your amoral cruelty, you could have done real damage to human beings.

Instead of just doing real damage to proper paragraph formatting.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 9:07 am

a was not a birther. but the whitespace convinced me. One more sequence of number and I just might be a permanent mindless Torrie like you. Just crouch down and lick the imperial corporate hand that feeds you. It's so clear now, thanks unpatriotic defeatist asshole. Thanks. Do whatsoever the corporate party tells you to do. Good doggie. Obama can't be real, he's not fully or white or Republican, we got it. thanks.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 9:11 am

A character that I always hoped would come again is 'Engineer Man' from the episode where Homers long-lost brother has him build an of course, ill-fated car. Engineer man is underrated…. as always.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 9:14 am

Ooh, a spelling snark. How noob.

When he ain't lying (not often, but he stumbles now and then), he's groping. How like our little lying stevie, that patch of Obamaphile filth on the fabric of our world.

And when Barry Soetoro gets his orange jumpsuit (two pairs, laundry every other Wednesday) and his own special number in the federal prison system, little stevie will be depositing a couple of bucks in his Mombasa Messiah's sundries account so Barry can buy the hand lotion he's gonna so desperately need to ease his encounters with those Aryan Nation guys down in the yard.

Anything apart from that and little stevie's lies? Nope.

So on to hell with him.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 9:38 am

Amen brother, at least we understand fantastic conditions are so. It doesn't change our resolve to our democracy, just that those who would wish to supplant so, had better be right about REAL moral issues… such as war and peace, and who might be the aggressor in provable terms. But, I know I'm a spaced-out old dude now, but I feel you know what I mean.

I'm proud of this state's history nonetheless, we were bombarded by a complete empire daily and never changed our will once. Although we did move our capital onshore outside of naval bombardment range, we never once changed about how we feel about empire and total greed. All claims of patriotism that don't acknowledge Boston's claims are of no worth to me. We suffered an Empire and daily bombardment, did you? I will not lie down and assume that arms are the only source of strength, will you?
When the Declaration of Independence was read in any colonial city.. WHO rised up and threw off the crown that very day? Boston? I am sick and tired of Massachusetts getting labeled as unpatriotic by these upstart states. We threw off and Empire, where the fuck where you? Every election I see these upstarts define patriotism, and they all look to history books, but want to forget the place. THIS is the place that said fuck off empire. We say no less today, I will not apologize. We are the MOST patriot people here (only since you need to compare) We are tired of you telling us we don't care about human dignity when you haven't studied it's context. Why is Massachusetts liberal? Because we remember our ancestors, because we remember empire. Simple fact.

Sorry about the rant Stephen, but I think you know its from my heart.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 9:43 am

Any content in this latest flung dung?

Nope.

And therefore to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 9:46 am

As I'd written, what's “big, huge” about the outsized boondoggle of “Ft. Murtha” is the waste.

Though the size of the runways also qualifies. Ain't it neat? Millions and millions of DoD bucks for runways fit to accommodate C-5 Galaxy and C-141 Starlifters and these are the transport aircraft that are either being cycled out of the Air Force inventory or already relegated to the boneyard.

And little stevie's just gotta keep lying about it. Ain't it a trip.

Hey, anybody wanna guess where little stevie's going?

Yep. Straight to hell.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 9:55 am

And at the same time I think both of us would be delighted to to know where on Earth exsited a consertave realm where both you and I could vent in the same spirit and fashion as Tuci and whateverhisnameis. The URL is where?


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 9:59 am

Hmm, my instincts say there might be a superb story with you Mom's graduation as you recall it. When, What How?

Joe


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 10:00 am

I havent missed many sir, I assure you. But that is a good one.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 10:02 am

Just tell me when you've re-visited engineer man please.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 10:09 am

Let's see… A little stevie lie in line one. A little stevie lie in line two. And an “ex-English major” grammar snark, just like a little noob.

Aw. To hell with him, right? Of course!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 10:15 am

Try Townhall.com for a start. They're nominally conservative (actually Republican suck-ups), but real libertarians – Tom Sowell, John Stossel, Walter Williams – are regular contributors.

Comments on Townhall.com are limited as to size, and there is much automated censoring of posts (very tight-spincter'd), so be prepared to condense.

You wanna try it, go ahead. Lots of other “Liberal” cement-heads post there, so you won't find yourself without fellow fellahin.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

You missed the content. Probably because you were trying to figure out how to use that Num Lock key.

Read it again. You’ll note that you left out a pronoun (likely “I’m”), thus rendering that whole sentence about being “a helluva lot smarter than most of the posters” to be just another in a series of ironic idiotic statements you make here.

And I called you on it, because I like pointing out the obvious. You’re a feeb who can’t use his computer or remember what he wrote, or when.

And you KEEP lying about an airport, of all things to lie about!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

You missed the content. Probably because you were trying to figure out how to use that Num Lock key.

Read it again. You’ll note that you left out a pronoun (likely “I’m”), thus rendering that whole sentence about being “a helluva lot smarter than most of the posters” to be just another in a series of ironic idiotic statements you make here.

And I called you on it, because I like pointing out the obvious. You’re a feeb who can’t use his computer or remember what he wrote, or when.

And you KEEP lying about an airport, of all things to lie about!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

No. No lie in either line.

And you don’t know the difference between grammar and formatting.

Which probably explains your comic misadventures with HTML.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

No no. You can see from your accurately quoted sentence that you wrote “big, huge airport” when you first dug this issue out of your craw and decided to air it for our mutual enjoyment.

You just cannot accept being wrong. I like that about you, because you’re always wrong. It’s like your absurd reaction to being quoted accurately about how you told someone else, without a trace of irony, not to impose her preconceived ideas onto reality.

A thousand Randwulfs at a thousand typewriters couldn’t come up with anything that funny.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

No no. You can see from your accurately quoted sentence that you wrote “big, huge airport” when you first dug this issue out of your craw and decided to air it for our mutual enjoyment.

You just cannot accept being wrong. I like that about you, because you’re always wrong. It’s like your absurd reaction to being quoted accurately about how you told someone else, without a trace of irony, not to impose her preconceived ideas onto reality.

A thousand Randwulfs at a thousand typewriters couldn’t come up with anything that funny.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Of course I read what you write. It’s rather obvious that YOU never read what you write.

Hence your jihad against punctuation and clarity.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Of course I read what you write. It’s rather obvious that YOU never read what you write.

Hence your jihad against punctuation and clarity.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

Yawn.

Where’s that “content” you’re usually muttering about not being able to understand because you’re too immersed in how to use the keys that your arthritic fingers fumble over? The ones on the lower-right side of the keyboard.

Must be next to the ones that are used to type the letters “burden of proof.” You always have the devil’s own time with those letters.

Speaking of which, you’d better have booked that reservation in Hell for me with a credit card. If you used a debit card you may be stuck in the 9th Circle of Hell trying to get a refund when I don’t show up.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Can’t find a lie to cry about?

Ask Mr. Aaron Wiener. He might assist you.

Then again, why not ask your momma? Is she still fucking guys in the bathroom of your local bar for Twizzlers for you? Or is it Twinkies? I must remember that we’re getting toward the first of the month, and your rent will come due soon, so I’d expect we won’t see much of your mother until the Army regiment gets flown out of John Murtha Airport and stops hanging out at the all nude revue.

At the rate of three flights a day, they could be there a while, so at least maybe your mom can earn enough in tips to afford to get you a keyboard where half the letters aren’t stuck. What else explains your inability to perform simple HTML?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Can’t find a lie to cry about?

Ask Mr. Aaron Wiener. He might assist you.

Then again, why not ask your momma? Is she still fucking guys in the bathroom of your local bar for Twizzlers for you? Or is it Twinkies? I must remember that we’re getting toward the first of the month, and your rent will come due soon, so I’d expect we won’t see much of your mother until the Army regiment gets flown out of John Murtha Airport and stops hanging out at the all nude revue.

At the rate of three flights a day, they could be there a while, so at least maybe your mom can earn enough in tips to afford to get you a keyboard where half the letters aren’t stuck. What else explains your inability to perform simple HTML?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

You’re the dolt who started referring to Washington, D.C. as “Mordor” after I mocked your dumb ass for calling it “Washington City.”

You liked your Mordor theme so much you repeated it. You even got snippy and referred to “Morlock” “from an earlier and better book.”

So don’t try slapping me with the Tolkien fan label. You’re the fanboy, funboy. I’ve just forgotten more literature than you’ll ever read.

Luddite? Ahem. HTML. ‘Nuff said. Or written. Please, for the love of God, all creatures great and small, pay fucking attention when you post, so that we don’t have four fucking paragraphs of underlined, bold, italicized font that links us to another birther thread on TWI.

Or, if you do, just have a sense of humor about your idiocy. Either way you’re an idiot and you’ll be reminded of that fact.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

You’re the dolt who started referring to Washington, D.C. as “Mordor” after I mocked your dumb ass for calling it “Washington City.”

You liked your Mordor theme so much you repeated it. You even got snippy and referred to “Morlock” “from an earlier and better book.”

So don’t try slapping me with the Tolkien fan label. You’re the fanboy, funboy. I’ve just forgotten more literature than you’ll ever read.

Luddite? Ahem. HTML. ‘Nuff said. Or written. Please, for the love of God, all creatures great and small, pay fucking attention when you post, so that we don’t have four fucking paragraphs of underlined, bold, italicized font that links us to another birther thread on TWI.

Or, if you do, just have a sense of humor about your idiocy. Either way you’re an idiot and you’ll be reminded of that fact.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

No, I didn’t make any typo. You just suck at lying, like you suck at insults.

“close cover before striking,” eh? Wrong again.

“And the four years you spent at clown college!” –Sideshow Bob, The Simpsons

“I’ll thank you not to refer to Princeton that way.” –Sideshow Bob’s brother, Cecil


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Bold. Wrong, but bold font. Typical.

You don’t know anything about me, despite the fact that I’ve told you quite a bit.

You were just too busy picturing a hot meal brought to you by a well-intentioned socialist. So you see socialists everywhere.

Reality is bland, depressing, cold nursing home food, isn’t it, Gramps. Socialists have steaming hot cocoa before taking public transportation to work-optional blogging cubicles where you spend all day mocking idiots who think Hitler, Lenin, Stalin and Marx are playing bridge in Grant Park.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Bold. Wrong, but bold font. Typical.

You don’t know anything about me, despite the fact that I’ve told you quite a bit.

You were just too busy picturing a hot meal brought to you by a well-intentioned socialist. So you see socialists everywhere.

Reality is bland, depressing, cold nursing home food, isn’t it, Gramps. Socialists have steaming hot cocoa before taking public transportation to work-optional blogging cubicles where you spend all day mocking idiots who think Hitler, Lenin, Stalin and Marx are playing bridge in Grant Park.


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 11:43 am

Do u never read what i write asshole??…It is not my job to educate the dumbasses of this world of which, YOU ARE THE BIGGEST!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 11:44 am

Your an idiot incapable of rational thought!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 11:45 am

Once again, typical idiot…You show ur colors very well..I have to say that!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 11:45 am

Your soo full of stupid shit, my response to u is just IDIOT!!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 11:46 am

You are an idiot incapable of doing research and learning for urself..It is not my job to educate u ignorant obot assholes!!!


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

You have been told a false history of this land, one that never once existed. Both you dr and Tuci extol the great virtues of the already 230 year American false: that if we could just recur to the feudal system, all our problems will be forever answered, and trite little workers like you and I will never again be bothered by desire. Human progress, desire and dignity. If we would just let the rich write all the laws, all will be perfected. Such a vision is no better than the poor alone writing the laws, and maybe you all have have forgotten as to what ALL writes the laws.

So what is YOUR hope that the laws serve? Your concept? Generations yearning to be free? For all the words you choose to defend our ever present ignoble feudal lords, and claim that not serving them is not patriotism. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU, you don't know patriotism.

If you served under the ideas of this bullshit you never once served liberty in you pathetic life, you claim to protect American and don't now, and never did understand the abstract in which you argue. You argue on a particular course that any President should be subsumed to stand at attention continuously answer any question that nutjobs would project. ANYTHING than serve the majority of persons that hired him (should YOU disagree with the majority) to do what he said he would do. Make no mistake about it, you birthers are the unpatriotic usurpers. I'm speaking in clear and traditional American terms, and I don't give a rats ass what King George thinks we should all think about him, as is what you are here to project.

What you Torry usurpers want to do with our democracy is not my concern. Just understand that what you are doing is immoral; what you are doing is unpatriotic. I intend to fight back and yell louder at town halls you racist unpatriotic minority fools takeover, and shout back at least as loud and five times as smart. Fucking Torry fools, we don't suffer Tories and Brown shirts well in New England, same shit different accent, all Torrie retards bound together with slogans the like of Gherbals and Limbaugh. To whit? No whit more than that is your complaint.

I can deal with retards, but the calls that your twisted-racist world is the only path to patriotism, and all else is Nazism disgusts me for the unpatriotic virtue it has offhand. I join with Washington, Adams and Jefferson and Lincoln, and all the people who tried to put this bullshit behinds us: you are are un-American Racist assholes birther. The founders and I both hate you, but they probably more so than I do. Birthers and the Socialist-Nazi callers are unpatriotic fools and tools of a bunch of people who will do no less than make sure that your grubby kids don't end up in the same golf course as thiers, in the end that is all you will get.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

I don't know Mr Obama personally, but there you go again. Any majority, ANY rule, any thought that is not your from of imbred grand-masters-said goodness, must be the product of a conspiracy. After all, all agree with you in fact because you won the election… right? Oh wait you didnt! It all makes sense now!


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 12:34 pm

I just realized I'd be remiss not pointing out Sam's beer is pretty good. (just factor i'm irish and only spit out beer if its warmer than my blood.. sometimes I've seen his pewterwork upclose and personal in Boston, and while I think the beer guy is overreaching his affiliations to the the patriot, nevertheless I forgive him because it tastes pretty good. Obviously if it was bad Mexican food we'd hang him. We're not, after all, total slutz here…


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 12:40 pm

Snerk might be a snigglet. Since you are hopefully to young, here is the link. Tuci probably forgot them. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniglet


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

Your lack of American Nativism shows when you have no sence of sport whatsoever. Whom did you think built the language? Dagny Taggart?


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 1:25 pm

I think I had it right with sniglet and you're just being a poo poo head grampa. Or did you learn American in books the chapter berfore Marx?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

Great post, jj. I can tell it was building up for a while. The birthers asked for it.

I admire your willingness to attempt to engage Tuci78 and even drlove999 to find out what's behind their absurd rhetoric. You've claimed Tuci78 is too smart to be a birther, and both he and I disagree. You haven't said so, but I think you agree with me that drlove999 is too dumb to be a birther. That or too committed to stirring the pot with a profane stick.

Despite your attempts to engage them, however, you'll never get anything approaching sincerity from them. They are here to vent their spleens and “act out,” as children who are denied the opportunity to be childish among grown-ups will go off out of earshot and do. That is why drlove999 pathetically repeats the chorus of “Obama is not the president, cannot be the president, and never will be the president.” Saying so doesn't change a thing, but it makes him feel better to say so anyway.

“No! I will NOT go to bed at 7 o'clock! You can't make me!” –said by little boy in bed at 7 o'clock

I get fed up with right-wingers claiming that they patented patriotism. It's a disgusting claim to make, and one that shows, regardless of your birth certificate, that you're not really American.

America is built on the sweat and blood of workers and fighters. Many of those workers and fighters were and are liberal. All of them are patriotic.

Ironic that the same racist jerks who claim you are “playing the race card” if you call them on their obvious racism are the ones who, having nothing resembling patriotism, call everyone else out for not being patriotic.

It's rather like Tuci78 claiming to be a Constitutionalist as he merrily and profanely pretends the Constitution means what he'd prefer it to mean, rather than what it plainly states.

You said it best. Birthers are un-American, racist, and unpatriotic.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Don't forget that he apologizes to the world for America's bad behavior.

Well, not really. But he sure LOOKS like he's sorry for America's bad behavior, which is pretty much the same thing.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

What's funny about you is that your posts are always drenched in irony.

You never have anything true in your posts. You never include any effort at providing links to ANY source, even World Net Daily. You never put any effort into writing coherent sentences or spelling out the words “you,” “your,” or “yourself.”

Yet you rarely fail to tell someone else that they cannot do research.

Stellar!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

There is a great story, you're right. But my Mom tells it better than I can.

Let's just say that when I graduated from college, and my Aunt and her three kids flew to Los Angeles, I made sure to check their luggage in their hotel to make sure there were no sombreros and nothing made of sequins, plaid, or vinyl.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

No no. Townhall, as you admit, is limited as to size, and is censored.

So YOUR long-ass assassination and sodomy-filled posts would not be allowed.

Hence Townhall doesn't fit what jj was writing to ME about. Thanks for opining all the same. Glad to see your reading comprehension hasn't improved with time.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

I love that episode. Homer's idea of a dream car looks like something that Rosie from the Jetsons excreted after a bad night eating Mexican food.

Unkie Herb's baby translator is hilarious. Why can't you engineers get to work on that? I'd love to be in the mall and hear a computer-voice say “I have soiled myself. There's no time for a restroom. I really don't care who's watching. I will make a scene in 3, 2, 1…”


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

It would be fun to listen for the sounds of the chains of slavery clanking in Boston as we sampled some Irish beer that is less warm than blood and recounted Great Moments in Liberal Television.

I haven't missed any Simpsons. Going back to 1989, I've seen every episode.

“I watched every frame of that disgusting filth…twice!” — Animal House, I think. My memory of it is hazy since I was never officially allowed to watch it and thus had to sneak peeks at Cinemax when Mom and Dad were asleep or out of the country.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

Jim Koch can overreach. Anyone that committed to American beer should be sainted.

If we could only get someone that passionate about American cars to head GM…

My favorite experiences in England are of drinking Guinness with my then-girlfriend's father in a pub that was literally across the street from his house in the countryside in the outskirts of a town called Huddersfield. Just farmland dotted by a few houses, and this pub full of old English farmers who had somehow gotten rich and stopped farming decades ago. One of them, an 80 year old named Gilbert, was delighted to show me his Nike running shoes that light up when you walk.

I liked that guy. When my then-girlfriend's Dad introduced me as an American, I started talking with them as we drank. Gilbert asked me what my job paid, and when I answered, he said, in all seriousness, “how much is that in money?”

He meant how much is that when converted from dollars to pounds. But he laughed his ass off when I told him that, contrary to what may have happened in Manhattan hundreds of years ago, we are no longer content to accept beads in lieu of payment in America.

We had such a great time. One night her Dad and I came home, ate dinner, and then polished off a bottle of wine between the two of us, but not before I called him a “son of a bitch” and meant it as a compliment, which is how he took it. Great guy. We still get along very well, and he sends his regards whenever I talk to his daughter, which of course isn't often as she's a Brit who lives in London. Maybe I can get her to yank franknowzad's trousers down when he's waiting for the Tube.

Agreed on bad Mexican food. You have to try pretty hard to fuck up an enchilada. And yet, judging by my experiences everywhere except New Mexico and small pockets of Los Angeles, a lot of people try pretty hard and fuck up enchiladas.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

You're right; I do know what you mean.

I've had enough of bullshit lectures about patriotism from chickenhawks who dodged the draft while my Dad was over there in Vietnam walking through blood and deciding whether a child might be calling to him to get him to come out where he could be shot by a sniper.

“Real America,” “pro-America parts of the country,” and all that nonsense played by the McCain campaign really pisses me off. Liberal New York City is where 9/11 happened. Boston is where Patrick Henry heard the chains of slavery clanking. And, of course, Boston is where the original Tea Party happened.

Meanwhile, the “red” states are the ones with both hands stuck out waiting for stimulus money that they can then give to their constituents while simultaneously bitching about how the stimulus doesn't work. Sickening.

Looks like I countered your rant with one of my own. Well, I'm generally long-winded, so this wasn't a full-blown tirade.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Dream on, Tuci78. We never tire of reading your prison sodomy fantasies. Beats reading your lies about big, huge airports that are neither big nor huge.


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

I do not care if obama is a democrat, republican, independent or from outer space…What i care about is our constitution which is the highest law of our land…Either obama comply with the constitution by proving he is a natural born citizen or step down from office…This is my main complaint..


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

First of all, being the ignorant dumbass that u are the pleadings using Doe is correct…My god, ur an ignorant sack of shit…Incidentally, Orly Taitz motion on the kenyan BC has Not been stricken u dumbass…Study the pleadings and the judges ruiling before u have diarreah of the mouth again…Your stupidity is now really making me laugh u dumbass obot!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Your comment makes no sense at all..As for being an obot….Yes, u are in the right place!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

Can u make a comment that makes sense instead of just mindless gibberish??..Just curious!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

What amazes me is that all u obots must have come from the same insane vagina..You all speak the same nonsense thats just gibberish that makes no sense, has no content , doesnt enlighten or bring forward anything of value..I guess thats just the way all ur brainless obots work together..It is quite amazing though!!!


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

It's all you care about. You are not telling the truth, you don't like Obama and you will latch onto any fantasy to destroy him and userp the will of the people. Or where you a Democrat all onboard with the 'socialism' until you just had to throw down on the birth certificate to know the truth? As Judge Judy said once: “if you want me to believe you, you should say something believable.”


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

I keep trying to find points in what Tuci says, but he's always trying to pull rank with 'donchas' and 'wonchas' and every other almost-fluent colloquialism under the sun. So I was reading his words on how he so mopped you up while looking at the logs and wondering where on earth this person is coming from.

He actually told me he bothers to come to this left-leaning site to hear liberal socialist shriek and howl at his laser-beam like mind. So I guess we're all running scared that he can quote Louie XIV backwards in three-part harmony? And the poor bastard doesn't have the good sense to be frustrated to those same ends that his own mendacious mandate required of him. Iambic Pentameter doesn't matter if the words are culturally archaic at the present. But he trucks on. Good for him. I'm sure the Lords of Europe applaud the efforts on the New American History Project.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

For mindless gibberish go just above the post that I wrote. See that angry stuff with asshole this and stupid that. See! I'll try to speak in Chuck Norris action words now so you can understand. Zog Like?


jjfitz
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

Then why are you on a liberal website?


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Why dont u become an teacher of writing and punctuation..I may have found a calling for even a idio obot like urself!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

You still fail to make any sense at all…No wonder u obot people are all alike..NOthing u say makes any sense and u ignore facts before ur eyes..Very strange u obot people….


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:30 am

No. They need to add more Doe defendants. Like Does 1 – 200.

And yes, the judge DID strike the Taitz motion. Read the Salon article and then look at the judge’s motion for yourself:

“On Saturday, Orly Taitz filed in federal court the forged Kenyan birth certificate for President Obama that she’d discovered. It lasted in the file for less than a week — on Thursday, a judge ordered the motion that Taitz had submitted stricken from the court record.

There was no hearing on the merits of the motion, or of the purportedly Kenyan document; it was tossed on procedural grounds.

In the order, which can be downloaded in PDF form here [ http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/06/birth_certificate/03118539619.pdf ], the judge says the motion was improperly filed ‘for the following reasons: Lacks proper notice; improper form and format; Counsel failed to identify her Cal. State Bar No.; description of motion conflicts or differs from that which counsel entered on Court’s e-docket.’

Taitz could file another motion, accompanied again by the forged birth certificate — but she’ll have to overcome the mistakes she made with this filing, and that might prove difficult. The electronic court record for the case, in which she’s representing Alan Keyes, among others, is filled with similar procedural errors on her part.

Not that it would matter anyway — the document is a proven fake, and the Australian birth certificate on which it was apparently based has already been discovered. Plus, on Thursday an anonymous person came forward claiming to be the source of the forgery, and with evidence to suggest that it was all a hoax, one designed to further discredit the Birthers.”

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/06/birth_certificate/

Now then, drlove999, that’s another lie we can chalk up to you.

When do you start juggling or doing magic tricks? Lying to entertain us is getting stale.


drlove999
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

There is soo much overwhelming evidence against obama on his birth certificate (or lack thereof) it is ridiculous to speak to idiots like urself…You wouldnt believe people if they told u the earth was round and that th eplanets rotate around the sun…Iam sure u would find some way to dismiss the facts and ridicule and demean the messenger..You are a waste of time and breath!!!


JimPA
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 12:18 am

I think Stephen frustrates the Doc to no end. That is why he ratted him out to Mr. Wiener.


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 12:25 am

What i said asshole is that iam not here to do your research or provides links to anything that u can obtain just as easily as me……Iam not here to educate u asshole!!!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 6:57 am

Still squatting atop his lies about thieving, pork-barreling National Socialist John Murtha and his “Ft. Murtha” diversion of DoD budget to the creation and expansion of boondoggle John Murtha Johnstown-Cambria County Airport, where the bacon slides down that “big, huge” runway to tune of your tax dollars going gurgling down the drain.

And little stevie loves this, ’cause he’s screwing people who work for a living to aggrandize a National Socialist politician little stevie just loves.

About the only thing little stevie doesn’t lie about is how much delight he takes in watching his fellow Americans get ripped off at gunpoint by government goons with guns.

And so merrily to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:00 am

Aw, the “ex-English major” is making a proofing snark. How noob.

And back again about how I’ve proven him to be an abject, hapless, pathological liar about “Ft. Murtha” and the peculating porkmeister, National Socialist John Murtha, and his thieving ways.

Such a pitiful little pile of excrement is our little stevie.

Somebody got a shovel? Let’s put him out of our misery.

And on to hell with him.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 2:06 am

Again, you have no proof of any of your absurd claims. No evidence, whatsoever, “against obama on his birth certificate.”

This is just another in a series of silly posts from you.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:15 am

What I’ve come to accept is that little stevie is a liar. There’s not a nanogram of honesty or plain decency in his make-up.

Little stevie is the kind of person “community notification” was created to protect your children against. Good heavens, he even lies about his horrible practice of stuffing live hamsters – sans even the blessing of a little lubrication – up his stretched and bleeding cloaca for the perverted enjoyment of their dying struggles as they scramble hopelessly for escape.

Watch, he’ll deny that. And he’ll be lying then, too.

And therefore to hell with him.


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Only an asshole like urself is blinded to overwhelming evidence that cannot be ignored…Sooner or later the truth will shine thru…It is just a matter of time..When it does, i would love to shove my fist down ur throat so hard that u would have to stick a toothbrush up ur ass just to brush ur teeth!!!….Now that would be poetic justice!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:50 am

I know you are but what am I?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 8:11 am

Aw, those are little stevie’s “prison sodomy fantasies.” He certainly jerks off during those scenes in The Shawshank Redemption where Andy Dufresne gets dragged off by “The Sisters” to get beaten and raped, doesn’t he?

That’s what little stevie wants to have done to all his neighbors. He’s a National Socialist, and just loves the idea of people being forced to do ugly, humiliating, painful things at his behest.

And when his beloved Barry winds up in Leavenworth, Kansas, little stevie promises to send him money orders so Barry can purchase enough hand lotion to make his bend-over services to his cellies a bit more comfortable.

Of course, knowing little stevie as we do, we know he’s lying about that, too.

And therefore to hell with him.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Let's not get started making violent threats, kiddo.

You might enjoy the idea of being able to punch someone, but you and I both know that you have neither the control over your digits necessary to make a fist, nor the coordination to aim said fist, nor the courage to use said fist as a weapon.

Besides that I would slap you silly and then drag you home to your mother by your ear.

Run along and play. If you're going to stick around, you must amuse us.

Sing us a song about how Obama isn't the President, cannot be the President, and never will be the President.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 3:43 am

He completely snapped, Jim. You can read it for yourself. It really started happening when I mocked him for telling someone else to stop imposing her preconceived ideas onto reality.

It progressed when he got stuck in a big, huge airport moment and he couldn't get out of it, to borrow and warp a phrase from a U2 song.

The whole thing collapsed on itself when he waxed poetic about how I'm so bad that Satan doesn't deserve to be punished with a moment of my company.

Underneath it all, of course, is that I keep pointing out his lies and quoting them back to him. He hates that. And I love it that he hates that.

It makes him sputter about how everything I write is a lie. Yet he has no evidence of any particular lie. He just keeps wishing I hadn't quoted him telling someone not to do what he spends every post doing.

And when you think of the Tuci78 in the heights of haughty arrogance, spitting profane drivel about President Obama being killed or sodomized, and then compare it to the Tuci78 who whined to the hall monitor about some cussin' going on in the classroom, it's pretty damn sad.

But it reminds me of one of my favorite Shelley poems, Ozymandias. It has one of the all-time great images. It's of a once-menacing edifice erected to intimidate, but now eroded to pathetic nothingness:

“I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

I can just see Tuci78's sneering visage when I read the words “Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!”

Tuci78's world is gone. Crumbled to the dust from whence it came. Yet he cannot recognize it. To him, he is still dominating the world and the world has not changed.

But it has changed. And so has he. Just in the time since I began communicating with him.

He has gone from being wrong to being forgetful and wrong. Which makes him fun to mock. Which frustrates him to no end. Which is where Jim's point comes in.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 8:54 am

Aw, there’s little stevie who both sucks and lies, trying to tell other people how to deviate from the truth. Well, he’s the expert, isn’t he?

Let’s leave the incontinent little pinhead sitting in his own filth, where we can always reliably find him.

And – why not? – to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 8:54 am

Aw, there’s little stevie who both sucks and lies, trying to tell other people how to deviate from the truth. Well, he’s the expert, isn’t he?

Let’s leave the incontinent little pinhead sitting in his own filth, where we can always reliably find him.

And – why not? – to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 9:00 am

Poor, lying little stevie. Too stupid to know that the use of “Mordor” as a synonym for that miasmal swamp of death-by-government under which we suffer as a nation has been current in online discussions for years.

Well, not among National Socialist government-worshiping thieving liars like little stevie, certainly, but then he doesn’t get out much, does he?

But he is a freedom-hating, Tolkien-loving Luddite, isn’t he?

Such a humorless little dogwhistle of a pimple is our lying little stevie.

And such a potty-mouth, too. Oh, well. Another post of his to report.

So then to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 9:00 am

Poor, lying little stevie. Too stupid to know that the use of “Mordor” as a synonym for that miasmal swamp of death-by-government under which we suffer as a nation has been current in online discussions for years.

Well, not among National Socialist government-worshiping thieving liars like little stevie, certainly, but then he doesn’t get out much, does he?

But he is a freedom-hating, Tolkien-loving Luddite, isn’t he?

Such a humorless little dogwhistle of a pimple is our lying little stevie.

And such a potty-mouth, too. Oh, well. Another post of his to report.

So then to hell with him.


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:00 am

Like i said, id love to see u sticking that toothbrush up ur ass….


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:07 am

Your homosexual cravings are noted for the record and irrelevant.

The only issue that is relevant is that you have no proof of any of your absurd claims. Yet you bear the burden of proof.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 9:09 am

Gotcher trip to hell booked on Orbitz, little stevie. Thanks for your credit card number, by the way.

But you’ve certainly picked the right circle – the 9th – for your permanent stay in l’Inferno. Round 2, Antenor’s place, right? That’s the one where traitors like you – our Constitution’s domestic enemies – belong.

Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate.

Ed al’Inferno con lui.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 9:09 am

Gotcher trip to hell booked on Orbitz, little stevie. Thanks for your credit card number, by the way.

But you’ve certainly picked the right circle – the 9th – for your permanent stay in l’Inferno. Round 2, Antenor’s place, right? That’s the one where traitors like you – our Constitution’s domestic enemies – belong.

Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate.

Ed al’Inferno con lui.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 9:13 am

Tsk. Whining and lying and offering fitz nothing at all in response to his request.

What a useless little sack of dog dung is our little stevie.

Satan? I don’t care how unjust it is to inflict yet another lawyer on you, but you’re getting little stevie for all eternity.

To hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 9:13 am

Tsk. Whining and lying and offering fitz nothing at all in response to his request.

What a useless little sack of dog dung is our little stevie.

Satan? I don’t care how unjust it is to inflict yet another lawyer on you, but you’re getting little stevie for all eternity.

To hell with him.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:19 am

You aren't here to educate us, that is the first true statement you've made.

You are instead here to entertain us. So go on, start singing!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 9:28 am

Aw, he’s even lying about his lies. Heck, little stevie’s got nothing but lies in everything he posts. He doesn’t even stipulate a verifiable fact without first and foremost intending to leverage it into a lie a bit later on.

As always, no honesty in any word this useless little shovelful of filth ever writes.

And so to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 9:28 am

Aw, he’s even lying about his lies. Heck, little stevie’s got nothing but lies in everything he posts. He doesn’t even stipulate a verifiable fact without first and foremost intending to leverage it into a lie a bit later on.

As always, no honesty in any word this useless little shovelful of filth ever writes.

And so to hell with him.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:35 am

Most of what you type is so ironic, coming from you, that it's difficult to keep from pointing at the screen and laughing at how ridiculous you are.

You have yet to make one coherent point. You have yet to prove any of your claims even with so much as a link to World Net Daily or westernjournalism.

And you have yet to make it through one post without showing your ass.

The best part is that there is nothing at all unusual about this conduct, coming from a birther. The only difference with you is the extent of your immaturity, not the extent of your stupidity.


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stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:59 am

At the risk of making Tuci78 gnash his teeth in frustration yet again, he wrote something that simply must be polished and shown to you.

Well, never mind the polish. Here he is, one hour ago, on the “Is This the Source of the Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate?” thread, writing the beginning of a reply to jjfitz:

“Well, there's a leap to a conclusion that's come right out of thin air.” –Tuci78

Wow. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he can spot such a thing. After doing that himself about 300 times, in every single post about the President, government, airports, or anything besides soy intolerance, he damned well ought to recognize an out-of-thin-air leap to a conclusion!

Where in the world would Tuci78 get off trying to tell someone else that they leaped to a conclusion? His projection continues unabated.

“People Express introduced a generation of hicks to plane travel. And the domestication of the dog, continued unabated.” — Homer Simpson explaining the 80's to his kids.

Of course, if you read the rest of his post, you'll readily note that Tuci78 is simply wrong, again. And futile. And pathetic.

He goes on to tell jjfitz (whose name is Joe, who I call “jj” and who Tuci78 calls “fitz,” so try not to get confused) that the birthers (he tries to make up a less stigmatized name for birthers but he's a birther) are doing what they are doing “in hopes tht [sic] we can have him perp-walked out of the White House in chains.”

Doing a bang-up job thus far, big guy! At this rate you'll be able to knock out every Republican officeholder outside of Appalachia!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:00 am

Whoever you directed that post to would HAVE to be a writing teacher. With the patience of Job.

You're an “idio” who cannot even spell “idiot.” Or “you're,” for that matter. Nor do you understand when to use “an” versus “a.” It's not “an teacher.” Idio.


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:05 am

The proof is overwhelming for any rational logic human being, but not available for assholes…The burden of proof is not on me asshole…Its on fraud obama..If u could learn that one (1) simple fact, life would be soo much easier…I now see after all this time why u asshole obot people think they way u do…Its taken me awhile to get inside ur fucked up brains, but now i see…The biggest problem with assholes like u and other obots is that u people dont understand BURDEN OF PROOF…That elusive term has not made it into ur thinking..If u could ever grasp hold of the idea that i dont work for obama…obama works for ME….The quicker u could latch on to that concept, the smarter and wiser u would become..However, i have resigned myself to know that u will NEVER be able to understand that term so i have given up …It is impossible to make assholes like urselves understand this simple concept and for that u are the worse and iam the better…In the end, thats all that matters asshole for i can assure u that no reasonable person on planet earth that has a scintilla of a brain would align himself with ur absurd thinking…ASSHOLE!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Yes, u ignorant assholes can start anytime u want for u have surely entertained me..!!hahaha


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:08 am

“And now the Obamaphiles will try to invoke Godwin's Law and close the discussion.”

–Tuci78, 23 hours ago, from the “National Poll: Only 36 Percent of Republicans Say Obama Was Born In America” thread

Ahem.

Anyone who boasts about writing an email to Mr. Aaron Wiener to whine about my profane responses to his own profane assassination threats and profane graphic prison sodomy fantasies is not allowed to claim that anyone else is abridging HIS free speech.


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:24 am

You are the greatest shit talker of all time…If u truly understood judge nazakato orders on Orlys motion, you might understand what is really going on….First salon is a total in the tank for obama website, hook line and sinker…Secondly, salon misrepresented the actual facts to buttress their fake position…Thirdly, judge nazakatos order is in complete denial of judge David Carters ruiling..There is a motion that has already been filed that if heard , and im sure it will be, should completely overrule judge nazakato and uphold the electronic filing of the rogatory motion…Wait until the hearing asshole…Judge Carter has already ruled that the case will proceed on the merits and will not be obfuscated on procedural grounds…Actually judge nazakato had no authority to do what he did and i believe the truth of this will be forthcoming..Lastly, ther eis more believability to this kenyan birth certificate that ever before…You just dont understand facts and its obvious u dont give a shit..Thats why u are a continual ASSHOLE!!!………..hahahaah


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:28 am

The only reply to u is STUPID IGNORANT ASSHOLE…That says it all..!!…I have never had so many laughs at someones expense like urs since i can remember…I especially enjoy letting all my friends read the bullshit u say…We are all having the best laughs..Please keep ur ignorant shit coming…It is one of the true pleasures iam getting in life right now!!!! hahaahah


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:29 am

Well, there's lying little stevie, quoting out of context from this post of mine, put up about 2 hours ago, and which he does not directly address, but instead chooses to spam to other threads.

Now, without reference to fitz' “conclusion,” that line – out of context – is drawn by this lying little shovelful of runny manure to destroy its meaning. That is deceit, folks, plain and simple. That baseless and unsupported “conclusion” of fitz had been that those of us on the correct side of the qualification controversy (as in “Has Barry Soertoro proven his qualification as a natural born citizen to occupy the office of President of these United States?”) “…just crouch down and lick the perfect corporate hand that feeds [us].”

Read his brief, rather brainless remark in full. Follow the link to my original post.

What I'd written (in full) after that first line had been:


“Those of us on the qualificationist side of this discussion (as in “Barry Soetoro must show proof that he is qualified by virtue of 'natural born citizen' status to occupy the office of President of these United States”) are delightedly attacking your Mombasa Messiah in hopes tht we can have him perp-walked out of the White House in chains and you're making noises about how this merry pursuit of your Fraudulence-in-Chief some how served the 'corporate' interests whom Barry is contorting like the weasel he is to accommodate.

“Indeed, given his raids upon the U.S. Treasury in behalf of his bankster constituents, and his mass screwing of those private citizens who had held corporate debt in big companies like GM (until Barry made their bonds go *poof!* in a cloud of thievery), I'd say your “poverty pimp” of a Chicago machine politician played the 'corporate hand' a nice job of patty-fingers.

“Wouldn't you, fitz?”

Now, when I've pulled a discussant's post “up from the bottom” (invariably because the format of this Web site causes posts to be “squeezed off” to the right), I pull the whole of that post to avoid losing context.

Little stevie – being a liar – doesn't do this.

Wonder why?

'Cause little stevie is a liar. And therefore to hell with him.


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:29 am

You are such a funny asshole I love it…Keep it comin!!!…..hahahahaah


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:38 am

Nah. I promised Mr. Wiener I'd help him to keep “the pungent language” down. The note I sent him about little stevie was merely to inform him that despite frequent friendly warnings, little pottymouth stevie was dropping the “f-bomb” hither and thither like the incontinent dollop of filth he truly is.

And that helped Mr. Wiener to direct appropriate attention to the “intervention” this lying little lawyer so desperately needed.

No “boast.” I do my duty as a conscientious contributor to the Web site of The Washington Independent.

Anyone surprised that little stevie doesn't know what the hell Godwin's Law really is?

And thus to hell with him.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 6:26 am

You're such a loser, Tuci78.

You whined when you couldn't take being shown to be a liar. Pobrecita! Deal with it.

And Godwin's Law is just geekspeak for the notion that sooner or later, some commenter will use a Nazi comparison. It wasn't the important part of your post. Since you're so enamored with that GED on your wall, you probably think it was.

The key was the “close the discussion” part, which, given your wusstacular penchant for tattling AND making profane assassination threats, is joyously absurd.

And how exactly, aside from refraining to post, can you “help” anyone keep the “the pungent language” down?

I bet he wrote to you and that you did not write to him. But then, why would you lie about being such a sniveling coward?

Wait. You lie about how many flights there are out of John Murtha airport and what the name of the nation's capital is. You lie about everything. If you got raped and fought your attacker off just as he was climaxing, you'd probably lie and tell him you didn't orgasm.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:21 am

Oh, look! Lying little stevie can actually look something up online!

See, even moral and mental cripples like little stevie can sometimes perform almost like normal people. And all of you thought there was no hope for the little pustule.

As for how we can all help to keep the pungent language down on these threads, lets all remember that whenever little stevie not only lies but lies while using the “f-bom” and “a–hole” and other such immature expressions of his festering spleen, we hit those “Report” buttons again and again, letting Mr. Wiener and his colleagues know all about it.

And more on “Ft. Murtha.” Such a fixated little castrato is our stevie.

And so to hell with him.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:30 am

I'm going to bet you all something.

I bet you cannot stomach reading all of the despicable assassination threats and violent, disgusting slurs Tuci78 has littered this website with. And I bet I cannot stomach re-posting them all.

I will just post them until I get sick of reading his bullshit.

For any of you who want to know why I'm so derisive about Tuci78 tattling to Mr. Aaron Weiner about my alleged profanity in response to his alleged profane threats, read as far as you can before you get sick to your stomach. And then be SURE to let me know if you think I'm the one who needs an intervention.

Let me know how far you get. And, Tuci78, if you think you're being quoted out of context, please say so. God knows I give a shit.

Let's begin:

1.
in “Centcom: Yes, the President Is an American Citizen” on The Washington Independent

“Bear in mind that I look upon Barry Soetoro as I look upon cancer.

I don't care how he gets carved out. His malignancy is manifest, and the damage he has done – and will continue to do – warrant just about anything up to the point that we're talking about someone with a middle name and sniper training.

Not that Crash Test Johnnie (the Enemy Ace) would be doing a better job. Democrat or Republican, to hell with them all.

But the indictment and conviction of Barry Soetoro would provide a crashing kick in the nuts to the arrogant unconstitutionality of the Presidency, an office that we desperately need to take down, and take down HARD.

We can get a “twofer” here. We nail a corrupt, criminous politician and we blow the prestige of the imperial presidency to hellangone.

Push it to the max, I say, and Allah smite the apostate.”

2.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“I've always felt that the nation could benefit greatly if every career politician was held at the muzzle of a shotgun every waking minute of his nefarious little life. The sword of Damocles quit working centuries ago.

Hm. Maybe a kilo of C4 surgically impanted in his abdomen, hooked up to a radio trigger….”

3.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Oh, I'd HAPPILY 'undermine our government.' Or at least the officers of our federal civil government who are derelict in their duty to conform to the restraints of the U.S. Constitution

So blowing our present crop of federal government officers into a cloud of bloody gobbet flying poetically through the air is nothing more or less than a consummation devoutly to be wished. I mean, it's not like we're ever going to lack for fourth- and fifth-tier bureaucrats and politician-wannabee clowns to step up and close the breach, is it?

Government clowns are a fungible resource, with bottomless depth. There's always an overload of power-hungry parasites infesting any body politic. The trick is to keep the number of these pathogens down and mitigate their depredations. Our present economic woes are strongly indicative that something strenuous definitely needs to be get done ASAP.”

4.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Allah smite the apostate.”

5.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Nah. I'm treating Barry Soetoro the same way I treat any other statist sonofabitch, 'Red' side or 'Blue' side.

I mean, the guy is a fungating cancer just sitting there and begging to be biopsied, isn't he?”

6.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“MY 'President'? What, don't you recognize a 'Whaddaya mean “we,” Kemo Sabe?' moment when you see one?

Hairplug Joe gets to be POTUS. He nominates somebody to occupy the Veep slot (the way Nixon did when Agnew went bye-bye, and the way Ford did when Tricky Dick fluttered off in Marine One). We get our first certifiably brain-damaged President, and we get rid of the “Hope and Change” illusion that walks like a legitimate occupant of the White House and has been driving the U.S. economy even further off the cliff than that dork, Dubbya, did.

And the Plagiarist From Delaware inherits a gutshot Presidency during which even the go-along-to-get-along Republicans – America's “Special Olympics” party – are pushed to screw him up at every turn, pushed by constituencies who scent blood in the water and want to check out the chum.

Hey, what's not to like?”

7.
in “Centcom: Yes, the President Is an American Citizen” on The Washington Independent

“I'm never going to cease opposing Mr. Soetoro in his quest to drive the national economy of these United States over the proverbial cliff, if that's what you mean. I consider his policies and purposes malignant in the extreme.

…Barry Soetoro is a cancer upon the American body politic. Anything that can be done to debulk the tumor mass is warranted.

The 'birth certificate' issue offers a relatively bloodless method to do so, and with gusto I embrace it.

Beats having some moody loner with a middle name and sniper training setting up a ridiculously cheap mail-order rifle with a scope mounted on the wrong side of the weapon in a window overlooking a tree-lined street somewhere.”

8.
in “Centcom: Yes, the President Is an American Citizen” on The Washington Independent

“Nah. The 'patient' is these United States of America.

The cancer is Barry Soetoro.

The treatment is excise the tumor.”

9.
in “Former Congressman J.D. Hayworth Joins the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“I want your Mulignane Messiah's head in a basket of melons.”

10.
in “Former Congressman J.D. Hayworth Joins the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Like I said, he's 'POTUS' until the federal marshals come for him.

Hm. Remember that scene toward the close of *The Shawshank Redemption*?

I wonder if he'll sit behind the Resolute desk with a revolver and blow his brains out while they're breaking down the door?

Nah. Barry's a 'gun control' clown. He wouldn't have a pistol tucked away in his desk drawer, would he?

But I wouldn't mind numbering that among MY 'presents,' LaLee.

Not at all.”

11.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Barry's looking up at the blade of the guillotine, folks. Time to yank the pin and let it drop.”

12.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Sheesh, don't you watch *NCIS*? There was a bit of trivia voiced by the pathologist character to the extent (and I checked it out) that the National Socialist German Worker's Party administration of Germany's Third Reich actually killed far more people by the way of guillotine decapitation than the French have ever shortened.

Given that Barry's the leader of America's own National Socialist Party, don'tcha think that it's appropriate to picture him in a terminal encounter with 'La Veuve'?”

13.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“And then you'll want Barry Soetoro's throat between your thumbs just as much as I do.”

14.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Well, yeah, duh. Short of finding some moody loner with a middle name, sniper training, and a cheap mail order joke of a rifle, can you think of a better way to put Barry out of our misery?”

15.
in “African-American Preachers Against Obama”
By David Weigel 7/21/09 4:02 PM
http://washingtonindependent.com/51956/african-…

“You got a reference to your handle? Hey, so do I. Betcha can't guess mine, either.

As for hating ('Hatred is my muse.' – Murray Rothbard), what is it about your Mulignane Mahdi that's not to hate?

Look, if exercising the U.S. Constitution gets that sonofabitch OUT of public office and into the federal prison system for the rest of his natural life, then I consider the charter of our federal civil government to have served the purpose for which it was written and ratified.

I don't care how 'Black' your faux noir 'Whiter than sour cream' phoney might purportedly be. I don't hate him for the color of his skin, but for the arrant cancerous Keynesianism of his unlawful actions in the office he usurps, and dragging out into the daylight all the sordid, seamy, stinking past history he's so desperate to conceal offers the best way of tattooing him
'Null & Void' and generally kicking the weasands out of socialism in general in this nation.

Every little bit helps.

He's got obvious vulnerabilities, and it would be a sin before God and man to let those weak points go unexploited.

When your enemy bends over, shoot him in the ass.

Who knows? He might bleed to death.”

_________________

16.
in “Your Facts Are Useless on Me” on The Washington Independent

“What 'enemy,' lackwit? Were your beloved Barry to suddenly suffer a hemorrhagic stroke, and get himself dead right there (DRT), what do you think would happen to these United States of America?'

What is your insane fixation on that Messiah of yours, that you should pledge unto him your personal allegiance no matter if his usurpation of the office to which is is manifestly NOT entitled, and to which he was NOT lawfully elected, is nothing more than a direct attack upon the Constitution of these United States – the charter of our national civil government, the preservation of which is the explicit focus of every oath of office taken by every public official and serving member of the military in this nation?

You value HIM more than you value your country? You want your Messiah and to hell with the law?

You wanna talk 'treason,' Matty-bubchen, watch it. You're right there in the middle of it.

WHAT a stinking sonofabitch you truly are.”

17.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Tsk. The 'sentiments' of which you speak (notwithstanding the fact that the 'military types' with whom I'm personally acquainted would very much like to see Barry Soetoro strung up by his own guts; watch the Marine enlisted man standing at the side of the hatch when Mr. Soetoro exits Marine One, and look at what he does NOT do when your Mombasa Messiah passes by him) do not rise to the level at which the Judge Advocate General's office is ever going to bring charges against Major Cook.

Should this 'Where's that bastard's birth certificate?' phenomenon begin to impact upon troopers and officers held over in 'stop-loss' measures, or reluctant to deploy – and the Pentagon is really sweating over this – as a sort of 'Get Out of War Free' card, there may be courtsmartial.

And then the Pentagon will have to go to their unconstitutional Commander-in-Chief, and say, 'Uh, Boss? We've GOTTA have that birth certificate now. Did you ever really have one?'”

18.
in “Key Birther Lawyer Was Disbarred … In 2004″ on The Washington Independent

“Nah. It's because he's a friggin' socialist, a Chicago machine politician (and almost inevitably dirty as all hell), a Keynesian, and a goddam disaster.

If he were red-haired, blue-eyed, freckled, and going by the name of 'O'Mara' instead of 'Obama,' he should be hunted down like a dog and thrown into a federal prison, just for the sake of the nation's safety and well-being.

Given his sweaty, straining, struggling effort to stonewall every last jot and tittle of his past history – starting with those ludicrous cobbled-together Frankenstein monsters of computer graphic images released by his campaign in June 2008, indicative of his inability to cough up even the least little bit of proof that he was qualified under Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution even to RUN for the presidency – its obvious that he's vulnerable in dozens of ways, and therefore that's how we get him.

And get him we must, before he continues raping the American economy to its complete ruination. We've had all the Keynesian child molesting bankster abuse we can possibly suffer. There's no margin left for this Mombasa Miracle Man's depredations, and Barry's got to go.”

19.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Barry Soetoro? 'Black'? Him? Hoo-hah!

That Punahau School privileged preppie prick, raised 'Whiter than sour cream,' faking negritude so studiedly to keep his affirmative action status on the front burner, about as 'authentically Black' as Donnie & Marie…

And you, little whiner, are trying to waggle your little pecker and whimper about my fear of 'a black man who's a Dem in the White House right now'?

Oh, it is to laugh. How cute! Little manny standing up on the kitchen chair and holding his breath 'til he turns blue because his favorite fantasy character – one as carefully sculpted, puttied and sanded and spray-painted as Spider-Man or the Incredible Hulk – is really a friggin' fraud, and the grown-ups won't let him wallow in his 'Hope-&-Change' unreality.

Look, manny, I heartily hate Barry Soetoro not because of the mocha tint he's so carefully cultivated but because he's a goddam socialist, a catastrophic Keynesian, and a worthless, grabby, statist sonofabitch.

He's done horrible damage to the American economy, he's on course to do even more damage, and every breath he takes is a tragic perversion of the proper use of oxygen.

If he were blond and blue-eyed and certifiably native-born, I'd still be doing everything I can to drag him down and ruin him, 'cause that's sure as hell what he's trying to do to me and mine.

And to you, too, little manny. You just haven't felt that hand he's shoved up your own personal little tochus yet. When you do – if you're still alive – you're going to be howling for his blood, too.

Why wait?”

20.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Yeah, and every time you watch *Peter Pan*, I can hear you going:

'I do believe in fairies, I do, I do, I do!'

Darlin', all you've got is 'believing.' All anyone has of 'proof' that Barry Soetoro is qualified to hold the public office he currently usurps is a couple of Frankensteinianly factitious JPG images allegedly scanned from a print-on-paper document that he and his handlers adamantly refuse to cough up.

It was supposedly there in the Obama campaign headquarters in June 2008. Where is it now?

*Crickets Chirping!*

And the more damage Barry does to the U.S. economy, the more people are going to ram rockets up the butts of their congresscritters to nail his ass. The 'birther' issue being just the most salient route to the little sphincter between Barry's buns, that's where they're gonna try hardest to stick the assegai.

But if they don't get him there, have no doubt that every other avenue of approach to his mortal guts are going to be vigorously explored.

Your Kenyan Keynesian Messiah is a friggin' disaster, LaLee. Come 'round about November – probably earlier – as his inflationist chickens come home to roost like a flock of velociraptors, even you – dear, sweet, tender, stupid LaLee – are going to be howling for his blood.

But, hey, if believing in your Mulignane Miracle Man makes you feel better….”

21.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Aw, pity the poor Republican. Corrupt, clueless, 'bipartisan' in his desire to 'go along to get along,' not an honest bone in his invertebrate little body, wondering what the hell he's doing caucusing with constitutionalists like Ron Paul ('Audit the Federal Reserve? Do we really want to open up that can of worms?'), his heritage firmly grounded in pork, protectionism, and sucking up to the banksters (Wiki up Henry Clay and his 'American System'), what's the silly, grasping, feeble putz to do?

I say 'clean 'em out!' too.

Right after we give the Democrats the 'Night of the Long Knives' they've been deserving these past seventy years and more.

'Whee! Blood all over the bulkheads!'”

22.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Well, yeah, duh. Short of finding some moody loner with a middle name, sniper training, and a cheap mail order joke of a rifle, can you think of a better way to put Barry out of our misery?

Your Kenyan Keynesian is doing a patented 'Robert Mugabe' job on the U.S. currency, he's about to inflict the biggest job-killer this side of FDR in that 'health insurance' scam he's flushing through the tubes, and his puppets are already floating 'Son of Stimulus,' as if what he's already done to transfer what little the taxpayers have left into the pockets of the banksters to whom he long ago sold himself.

Getting him into a nice, secure, narrow little room in Marion, Ohio, is a consummation devoutly to be wished, and to be accelerated with all possible expedition.

It's not a matter of conservatives versus 'Liberals' but of consitutionalists versus you drooling Obamaphiles.

We got us a cancer in the White House. Time for a Barry-ectomy, and Allah smite the apostate!”

23.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Yeah, I don't care about those whining Republicans, either. Phooey on them!

But when Barry-boy, your Mombasa Messiah, gets perp-walked out of the White House in handcuffs and ankle fetters and belly chains, and Hairplug Joe settles down behind that big, comfortable chair behind the Resolute Desk as our Plagiarist-in-Chief, I suspect he's going to be just a WEE bit nervous about his own status and safety.”

24.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“You voted for Barry? You're an Obamaphile. Not that Crash Test Johnnie would've been any better, but when given the choice between being gang-raped by the Crips or the Bloods, there is no virtue in announcing proudly that you gave up your ass – and the lives and liberties of your neighbors as well – to the guys in the red bandannas 'cause you thought the ones on the other side smelled worse.”

25.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Now, now, sonny. The word 'Nazi' is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers' Party), commonly abbreviated 'NSDAP.' Look through their literature (and that of the contemporary Partito Nazionale Fascista, or National Fascist Party, of Italy) and you'll find 'socialism' extolled all over the place.

One of the charming idiocies of today's socialists – or 'Liberals' or 'progressives' or whatever the hell you're calling yourselves this evening – is their babbling persistence in demanding that people treat them courteously because they're espousing one form of socialism instead of another. Sure, you're not a Communist. Sure, you're not a member of Khmer Rouge. You're ANOTHER kind of socialist, a kinder, warmer, gentler, NICER sort of socialist.

And when somebody like Joe the Plumber sticks his head up and challenges your Messiah, you kindly, warmly, gently, nicely go after him with pitchforks and hot tar.

Of course, if somebody refuses to pay the taxes you selectively levy upon him under the guide of 'to promote the general welfare' when your real purpose is a socialist redistribution of his wealth to your own favored constituencies, then you send uniformed government goons with guns to dispossess him of his property, proscribe him, incarcerate him, and – if he is said to be 'resisting arrest' – to kill him.

Kindly, warmly, gently, and nicely.

Such wonderful people are the socialists. Doing so much to us 'for our own good' that you really can't tell them from the Mafia or the Crips, can you?

Well, they've gotten themselves a much better benefits package. Planners. That's the socialists. Planners.

And the one thing Socialist Party 'A' hates worse than us capitalists (those of us who observe that a market free of government 'picking winners' and playing dirigste games generally works better than any other kind of division-of-labor economic system) is Socialist Party 'B.'

Thus the NSDAP hated the Bolsheviks, and the Democrat Party hates the Republican Party (what, you think that the Republicans are 'free market' advocates? and you claim to know anything about history? Har-de-har-har!), and so on and so on and so on.

You socialist really can't get it all in one sack, can you? Never have been.

Hey, look, why don't you get over to Mises.org? They've got a whole bunch of books fully available online. You can read Ludwig von Mises' *Socialism* either in HTML or PDF. You can track down Henry Hazlitt's *Economics in One Lesson*, and plenty of political and economic history.

You can become lucidly informed and better equipped to think rationally.

And then you'll want Barry Soetoro's throat between your thumbs just as much as I do.”

27.
in “Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Barry's looking up at the blade of the guillotine, folks. Time to yank the pin and let it drop.”

28.
in “Former Congressman J.D. Hayworth Joins the Birthers” on The Washington Independent

“Tsk. LaLee, go ask a lawyer, okay? I'm just a broken down old country sawbones. The fact of the matter is that even under the black-letter statutes and red-letter law applicable to slander and libel, the standards under which people who have voluntarily thrust themselves into the public eye (and running for the presidency certainly qualifies) are substantially different from the protections penumbra'd over private citizens.

Particularly when it comes to aspects of their personal lives that bear proximally upon their lawful qualification to run for and/or to hold the office of public trust they're seeking. And no matter how you perseverate, LaLee, your Messiah's 'natural-born' status is exquisitely pertinent to his qualifications.

What's more, given the perambulating practices of his mother and father in 1961 – jetting all to hellangone over creation – and the fact that the government of Kenya had explicitly announced that Mr. Soetor's medical records in that country were being sealed “permanently, until after the U.S. elections,” the stench of rotting corpses under the floorboards really can't be denied.

Well, I see you holding your nose and going “Bud I dode sbell annydig!”

And that's why I'm so fond of you, LaLee. I'm sure you still believe in Santa Claus, too.

As for how you “want world peace,” that's nice. I want your Mulignane Messiah's head in a basket of melons.

Neither of us might get what we want, but there's a certain nobility in the striving, isn't there?”

29.
in “Centcom: Yes, the President Is an American Citizen” on The Washington Independent

“I'm never going to cease opposing Mr. Soetoro in his quest to drive the national economy of these United States over the proverbial cliff, if that's what you mean. I consider his policies and purposes malignant in the extreme. Don't you?

If so, why?

If the discovery of his records – the proverbial EVERYTHING he's striven so sweatingly to 'seal' and otherwise disguise – is one way in which to extirpate Mr. Soetoro (with the added bonus that it lands him in a federal penitentiary for the rest of his natural life), I'm absolutely delighted to pursue that avenue of attack.

I really don't care about what '99% of the U.S. population' might or might not think, geek. In the words of Heinlein, 'Does history record any case in which the majority was right?'

The fact that Crash Test Johnnie ('The Enemy Ace') was on the same order of unsuitability to function as a constitutional chief magistrate of our federal government notwithstanding….

(( if he'd been elected, I'd be attacking HIM just as vehemently ))

…Barry Soetoro is a cancer upon the American body politic. Anything that can be done to debulk the tumor mass is warranted.

The “birth certificate” issue offers a relatively bloodless method to do so, and with gusto I embrace it.

Beats having some moody loner with a middle name and sniper training setting up a ridiculously cheap mail-order rifle with a scope mounted on the wrong side of the weapon in a window overlooking a tree-lined street somewhere.

Yes, I *do* believe in the Warren Report, I do, I do, I do….”

30.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Tsk. Determined to pigeonhole me as a 'birther,' are you? Haven't you twigged by now? To the extent that demanding of Mr. Soetoro the disclosure of EVERYTHING that he's trying to hide, I wish nothing more or less than to exploit an opportunity to 'kick de natal stuffn' outen' the office of the U.S. presidency, with all its 'czars' and its proliferation of cabinet-level wastage, its executive orders and brute meddling in the lives of the private citizenry.

I would be absolutely delighted to see Barry Soetoro conducted securely to incarceration, with the knowledge that henceforth every occupant of that office should look to this precedent as a manifest of the denigrated and preyed-upon population's willingness to take down even the highest, the mightiest, the most politically sacrosanct criminals in public office.

We got Nixon. Except for the intervention of 'Republicans' like Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter, we would've had Bubba. Now it's Barry's turn, and Allah smite the apostate.

I want a federal government that enforces the Bill of Rights. Nothing more, nothing less. Nailing the socialists' Mahdi is merely one step along that path.”

31.
in “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?” on The Washington Independent

“Oh, I'd HAPPILY 'undermine our government.' Or at least the officers of our federal civil government who are derelict in their duty to conform to the restraints of the U.S. Constitution.

Y'see, son, you've got to stop confusing 'our government' with our polity. They're not identical. Hell, in rational consideration, they're radically different. The private citizen – who is the source of all sovereignity in our representative republic – is not allowed to exercise his right to inflict deadly force on anyone else except in defense of his life, his liberty, or his property (or the life, liberty, or property of someone else suffering violent aggression).

The private citizen, as such, can undertake any action save that which is specifically proscribed by law. The officer of government can undertake only such action as is specifically PREscribed by law. When either one ventures outside those limitations, his actions are criminal, and it's pretty obvious that most of what our officers of civil government do every day is utterly criminal.

So blowing our present crop of federal government officers into a cloud of bloody gobbet flying poetically through the air is nothing more or less than a consummation devoutly to be wished. I mean, it's not like we're ever going to lack for fourth- and fifth-tier bureaucrats and politician-wannabee clowns to step up and close the breach, is it?

Government clowns are a fungible resource, with bottomless depth. There's always an overload of power-hungry parasites infesting any body politic. The trick is to keep the number of these pathogens down and mitigate their depredations. Our present economic woes are strongly indicative that something strenuous definitely needs to be get done ASAP.

Beginning with seeing Barry safely into a narrow little room in Marion, Ohio, where he can live out the rest of his days writing more fiction.

I've just loved his autobiographical fantasies.”
__________________________________________________________________

Ok, I'm stopping at 31. As much as I enjoyed the part where he told LaLee, “I dunno LaLee. Ask a lawyer,” I just can't take any more of his disgusting threats.

So there you are. Lots of repeated references to a mail order rifle. C-4. Blown to bits of bloody gobbet. Blood all over the bulkheads. Guillotine. Night of the Long Knives. Throat between the thumbs. Smite the apostate. Excise the cancer.

Now, be honest. You haven't read any of these before. I didn't tap into anything he wrote in the last month. I didn't include ANY post he directed at me. I could have chosen from any of several dozen posts he has written to me about anal sodomy being violently inflicted upon the President, about the President's genitals, about my genitals, or some combination of the two. But I didn't want to be part of the story.

Continue being honest. Do you still think this guy is smart? Funny? A reasoned thinker whose opinion counts for two squirts of piss?

And do you suppose he has ANY room to tattle on me for being (horrors!) profane in mocking him?

If ANY non-birther who has ever posted here before chooses to quibble with whether I am too hard on Tuci78, I will be unfailingly polite in discussing that opinion.

But if anyone at TWI takes down any of my comments, while leaving any of Tuci78's comments up, then I will have no further use for this website and will no longer post here.

Talk about choking on a gnat and swallowing a camel. Tuci78, I'm not going to hell. But it looks like it may take that to get me to stop reminding you of your idiocy.

For the proposition that Tuci78 is a detestable piece of shit who deserves to be cursed at, I present this TINY fraction of his actual posted filth.

QED


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:31 am

Nah. Somebody “ratted [me] out to Mr. Wiener,” and I got an email from said Assistant Editor as I'd detailed elsewhere. I courteously agreed to his request, with the stipulation that I expected him to enforce this policy even-handedly.

And then – when after I'd warned lying little stevie repeatedly to curb his potty-mouth – I re-contacted Mr. Wiener to inform him that “stephenperry” was behaving like the National Socialist thug he truly is, and it would be well were Mr. Wiener to take him to task on this matter.

Fair is fair, is it not?

And anent little stevie – well, to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:32 am

Null noise, lies, and yet more lies.

What else from this Obamaphile pail of soggy guano? Not much. Not ever.

Oh, well. To hell with him, the lying little pimple.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:33 am

You aren't the greatest shitty writer of all time. But you're well on your way, with posts like that one.

Links? No.

Rudimentary understanding of fundamental law? No.

Ability to admit when you've been pwn3d? No.

Made up gibberish? Loads!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:35 am

LMAO you asinine wuss.

So you can't handle it when I tell you about yourself, and you think you can get other people to help you in your quest to send me to hell or at least banish me from reminding you of what intelligence actually reads like?

Not fucking likely.

And you think you're God's gift to obscure knowledge. I may not have started using a computer until 1993, but I haven't spent the last 16 years misunderstanding socialism, like you have. Frees me up to read widely.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:40 am

Yes. You're a long-winded asshole. We know.

I like to point out your idiocy. Doesn't take more than a sentence, or a sentence fragment, given your writing ability, to do that.

Sniffle all you want. It's amusing to watch.

So, your long-winded assholery added WHAT, precisely, here? You're still a dull tool for accusing anyone else of leaping to an unjustified conclusion, you sodomy-obsessed conspiracy theorist nutball, you.

Oh, wait, your re-post of your drivel in its entirety did further underscore what an idiot you are. You can't even tell when you're being mocked. Oh hell, I just wrote “underscore.” Here comes three paragraphs of underlined gibberish from Tuci78 about 17th-century selfish white people.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:42 am

You're the funny one. I'm just the straight man in the comedy routine. You're the closet homosexual fixated on assholes.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:45 am

You don't understand burden of proof.

This makes you similar to Tuci78.

You also cannot format a paragraph to save your life.

Another thing in common with Tuci78.

You also repeat gibberish ad nauseum in lieu of having any sort of coherent response.

3 for 3!

Hey the other day you were oh-for-seven! This is an improvement. Oh, wait. It's really not. Because those comparisons to Tuci78 weren't flattering.

Oh well. At least you're still keeping vital organs somewhat stable until someone worthwhile has need of them.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:46 am

Boy, lying little stevie has gone completely bugnuts, hasn't he?

Nice stroll down memory lane though. And I'm delighted to stand by everything that so outrages little stevie, the senseless cement-head. Particularly this:

“The 'birth certificate' issue offers a relatively bloodless method to do so [remove Barry Soetoro from the White House], and with gusto I embrace it.

Beats having some moody loner with a middle name and sniper training setting up a ridiculously cheap mail-order rifle with a scope mounted on the wrong side of the weapon in a window overlooking a tree-lined street somewhere.”

Yep. I wrote that having little stevie's beloved “poverty pimp” perp-walked out of the White House in chains beats having him blown away Lee-Harvey-Oswald style.

So everybody knows that if there are folks out there planning to put Barry Soetoro to death by musketry, I am – regretfully – not one of them.

That damned non-aggression principle, y'know.

Apart from that, we've got established the fact that I'm opposed to government violating the rights of the individual human being, I've correctly identified Barry Soetoro as a thug and and a thief and a usurper of the powers of a public office he is not in law qualified to hold, and that little stevie is – as always – a liar.

He's also out of whatever it is he uses in lieu of a mind, too. But we already knew that, didn't we?

Ah well. To hell with him. Let's look to see where else he's spammed this “best of Tuci78″ anthology.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:47 am

Lies. You boasted of having written to him. Everyone can see that for themselves. We didn't “report” your silly comments, so they are still there.

Just like your silly lies.

How did you enjoy the Randwulf treatment I gave you at the top of the threads? Gonna run to each one and post more gibberish about hell?

Fuckwit. Report that. I bet you'll still see this comment here next week. If not, it will be because you can't work your computer, you feeb.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:49 am

Which are the lies and which are the cutting remarks that hurt your inner child, Tuci78?

No lies. Just stuff that you don't like reading. Like Obama's the President. Like pay your taxes. Like burden of proof. Like majority rules. Like Ron Paul isn't coming to dinner.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:49 am

What a moron!

Why would we ever believe that you have friends, much less that they can read?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:54 am

Tsk. More incoherent potty-mouth out of lying little stevie. Ah, well. If his filthy language is still up, I can always email Mr. Wiener again.

Gotta keep up the standards of civil discourse, no matter what we get out of this lying little lump of filth.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 7:57 am

All this little liar's got – apart from his lies – is frantic potty-mouth. Tsk.

And he's still lying about socialism. Well, hell. Got his number, don't we?

“666″ or thereabouts, for sure.

Well, let's report him and get on with it. Maybe Mr. Wiener will just chuck the little liar completely off the board. Allah knows, there's not even any entertainment value in the deceitful little gerbil any more.

And thus to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 8:00 am

More potty-mouth from incontinent little stevie, the liar.

Anything else of note? Nah. Empty as little stevie's pointy head.

And so to hell with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 8:05 am

Aw, little stevie is asking where his lies are. The poor little schmuck has lost touch even with his lies.

Why, everything little stevie posts are lies. As I've warned, he never comes within a country mile of factual reality in anything he writes except as he intends to use to to tell a more invidious lie later. Just lies and lies and lies, that's our little stevie.

Poor, crazy, bugnuts, head-up-his-tochus Obamaphile.

But hell really is where he belongs. Therefore….


Tuci78
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 8:48 am

Damn. A primary care grunt being accused of “trying to pull rank”? Jeez, fitz, what the hell are you talking about? I've spent the last thirty years (and a bit more) getting talked down to by specialists who either patronize me or suck up to me for referrals.

As for lying little stevie, I don't expect you – and, let's face it, you're a National Socialist with all the impediments of thought and morality that necessarily implies – to perceive the economic, ethical, and psychological bankruptcy of little stevie's statism. You don't have a good handle on the concept of individual rights, you don't want to understand the laws of economics, and you're blind to the notion that doing things to other people for “altruistic” reasons falls under the headings of both civil tort and aggravated assault.

Your notion of what's best for the innocent bystanders around you is almost certainly not what they want for themselves, and your notion of what to do when they take vehement exception to your “fitz knows best” ideas is – without fail – violent force.

“For their own good,” of course.

Putting this up to the muzzle of the self-satisfied National Socialist dies, indeed, make them “shriek and howl.” But it isn't any brilliance on my part. None of this stuff is new – except to those of you who wallow in willful ignorance, or who've been crippled by self-dealing statists' ideas of how you should be “educated.”

Read up on the history of the pledge of allegiance with special attention to the socialists whose idea it was, their purpose for inflicting it on the children of this country, and – oh, delightful! – the Bellamy salute.

Can you say “Sieg Heil!”, fitz?

You socialists keep trying to hammer that pesky old individualism out of people, don't you, fitz? Want 'em all homogenized and partitioned and utterly dependent upon good, gracious, giving government.

Well, that's not only odious and immoral, but impracticable, too. Those damned laws of economics, which work whether you want 'em to or not.

And me, “mendacious”? How, fitz? As opposed to the perpetually lying little stevie, have you ever caught me in a substantive and purposeful misstatement of the truth with regard to your Mombasa Messiah, the horrible political state of this nation, the economy, morality, or even common decency toward your neighbors?

Frankly, I suspect that what distresses you most about what I post is that I'm right, and you're forced thereby to confront your own disgraceful, thieving, enslaving intentions upon the lives, the liberties, and the property of your fellow Americans.


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:54 am

Do ur own research asshole…Of course, u could pay me to do it for u..I charge $400 per hour…Do u want to enter into a contract??..Incidentally, you were checkmated from the very beginning….


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:55 am

ASSHOLE is ur name from now on…ahahahah…It fits u well!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:56 am

ASSHOLE…DONT FORGET UR TITLE!!..HAHAHA


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:56 am

You are our comedy relief ASSHOLE!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:57 am

See prior comment ASSHOLE!!!


JimPA
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 12:04 pm

999 are you kidding me? In your mind you are probably the smartest person on this thread. Reality, not so true. You never provide a link and then state: “Do ur own research asshole” Do you even understand what a debate is? Facts?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

“Frankly, I suspect that what distresses you most about what I post is that I’m right, and you’re forced thereby to confront your own disgraceful, thieving, enslaving intentions upon the lives, the liberties, and the property of your fellow Americans.”

See, this is why suspicion is not evidence, birthers!

And it’s also why Tuci78 absolutely SUCKS at playing “I suspect…” He’s wildly off-base about jj. Just like he’s wildly off-base about everything else.

In reality, of course, a guy who lies about a teensy-tiny airport’s number of flights, and lies about what he wrote, should have some real trouble bringing himself to argue that he does not lie. But then, reality isn’t a place that suits Tuci78′s delicate constitution.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

“Frankly, I suspect that what distresses you most about what I post is that I’m right, and you’re forced thereby to confront your own disgraceful, thieving, enslaving intentions upon the lives, the liberties, and the property of your fellow Americans.”

See, this is why suspicion is not evidence, birthers!

And it’s also why Tuci78 absolutely SUCKS at playing “I suspect…” He’s wildly off-base about jj. Just like he’s wildly off-base about everything else.

In reality, of course, a guy who lies about a teensy-tiny airport’s number of flights, and lies about what he wrote, should have some real trouble bringing himself to argue that he does not lie. But then, reality isn’t a place that suits Tuci78′s delicate constitution.


JimPA
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

Doc – You ratted Stephen out to Mr. Wiener because you couldn’t defeat him in the intellectual battlefield. You got frustrated. You have to admit that you threw more insults around than anyone here. You language was as bad as anyone here, probably worse. When someone tried to engage you, they were met with far worse than anything Stephen delivered to you.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

You can email whoever you want. Just don’t go around emailing threats against the President…again.

The notion of you writing about “standards of civil discourse” is even funnier than the time you tried to explain how a judge would rule on the admissibility of a declaration.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

You can email whoever you want. Just don’t go around emailing threats against the President…again.

The notion of you writing about “standards of civil discourse” is even funnier than the time you tried to explain how a judge would rule on the admissibility of a declaration.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

Thanks for confirming that I don’t lie.

Unfortunately for you, even your accusations that other people lie are in fact yet more lies you tell.

Yawn.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Hey, if anyone has been having unprotected sex at the family reunion, it’s you birthers. Especially you, drlove999.

Why is it that birthers are so fond of projection? Is it related to their love of projectile-vomiting their banality all over this website?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Hey, if anyone has been having unprotected sex at the family reunion, it’s you birthers. Especially you, drlove999.

Why is it that birthers are so fond of projection? Is it related to their love of projectile-vomiting their banality all over this website?


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

jj’s question was rhetorical.

Which is why I didn’t answer it.

Which is also why you did.

Because, see, you’re stupid.

And you are now flip-flopping about whether Satan should be punished with my presence.

Whatever your position is on that, the fact remains that you’re still graced with my presence.

So suck it up and get used to people asking you why you would write so many threats against the President and expect to remain a free man, much less be taken seriously by liberals on this website.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

jj’s question was rhetorical.

Which is why I didn’t answer it.

Which is also why you did.

Because, see, you’re stupid.

And you are now flip-flopping about whether Satan should be punished with my presence.

Whatever your position is on that, the fact remains that you’re still graced with my presence.

So suck it up and get used to people asking you why you would write so many threats against the President and expect to remain a free man, much less be taken seriously by liberals on this website.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

No. Those are your fantasies. Not mine.

God knows (and so does Mr. Aaron Wiener) that you’ve posted your filth about the President being anally sodomized in prison enough times to recognize your fantasies before reading all the way through them.

I’ve never posted any fantasies involving men, prison, or elected officials. This is because I’m not homosexual, I’m not insane, and I’m not half-cocked enough to advocate something in writing for which I could get a 5 year prison sentence.

Another difference between me and you, aside from the fact that I don’t feel compelled to lie on this comment board and you do.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

No. Those are your fantasies. Not mine.

God knows (and so does Mr. Aaron Wiener) that you’ve posted your filth about the President being anally sodomized in prison enough times to recognize your fantasies before reading all the way through them.

I’ve never posted any fantasies involving men, prison, or elected officials. This is because I’m not homosexual, I’m not insane, and I’m not half-cocked enough to advocate something in writing for which I could get a 5 year prison sentence.

Another difference between me and you, aside from the fact that I don’t feel compelled to lie on this comment board and you do.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

Ooh, what’s that bullshit you write about a non-aggression principle?

Does the principle still hold if you shout “Kill him!” to an angry mob that is bearing the weapons you asked them to bring to the town square?

We know you’re too limp-wristed to hold a shovel.

We also know that I would treat you as Agnes Skinner described the Yakuza to Marge Simpsons:

“They’ll kill ya five times before you hit the ground!”

So go on, lie to us some more about your non-aggression principle.

It beats hearing about that little airport that is driving your goats mad with all the noise from those three, count ‘em, three flights a day.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

Ooh, what’s that bullshit you write about a non-aggression principle?

Does the principle still hold if you shout “Kill him!” to an angry mob that is bearing the weapons you asked them to bring to the town square?

We know you’re too limp-wristed to hold a shovel.

We also know that I would treat you as Agnes Skinner described the Yakuza to Marge Simpsons:

“They’ll kill ya five times before you hit the ground!”

So go on, lie to us some more about your non-aggression principle.

It beats hearing about that little airport that is driving your goats mad with all the noise from those three, count ‘em, three flights a day.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Can u speak in more disjointed sentences..My friends want to laugh more..Please help!!! asshole…


Anonymous
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Can u speak in more disjointed sentences..My friends want to laugh more..Please help!!! asshole…


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

I have provided so much information and links to u assholes , iam not going to educate u dumbasses anymore!!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

No no.

Again with the lies.

You repeated the mail order junk rifle thing at numbers 14 and 22 but you changed the wording to make it much more active. You asked if, short of finding a moody loner with a middle name and a mail order junk rifle, etc, can you think of a better way to put Barry out of our misery.

And then there's your discussion of getting his throat between your thumbs or wanting his head in a basket of melons or about how it's time to let the guillotine drop. And then there's the “I say we give the Democrats the Night of the Long Knives.”

Non-aggression principle? Nonsensical cover-your-ass-too-late-by-trying-to-deny-your-aggression principle.

Lying liar and the lies he tells.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Here's a post from neilends on the “National Poll: only 36 percent of Republicans…” thread, responding to the list of crap I posted from Tuci78:

“'Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.' 18 U.S.C. § 871(a)

More background from CJS [CJS stands for Corpus Juris Secundum, which is a legal encyclopedia --stephenperry]: 'Threats against the President or Vice President need not be communicated to him or her. In a prosecution for making a threat against the President or Vice President, the government is not required to establish that the accused had an actual subjective intent to carry out the threat. Also, the fact that the accused may have been incapable of carrying out his or her threats against the President or Vice President does not bar his or her conviction. The use of ambiguous language does not preclude a statement from being a 'threat.' Likewise, the absence of explicitly threatening language or the use of subtle language does not rule out a finding of a true 'threat.'”


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

Just a word of warning. Tuci78, gentleman that he is, cannot abide profanity. He threatens to tell on you if you persist. Lord knows he's got a sensitive pair of eyes and cannot handle explicit lyrics like yours.

Oh wait, you haven't started singing. At least belt out a few naughty rhymes before Tuci78 gets security to escort you off stage.

What's that? Tuci78 never threatens YOU about your potty mouth?

Oh.

That must be because you never write anything that he feels intimidated or cornered by.

Never mind.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

Anymore? When did you start educating anyone? Even dumbasses know more than you do.

Well, maybe not Tuci. He doesn't know enough not to make repeated threats against the President. But everyone else who's a dumbass knows more than you.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

No matter what lie you tell about how you earn a living, you couldn't charge 400 dollars per hour if you were blowing the guys who are at the back of the bar-bathroom line to fuck Tuci78's mom but who have no realistic hope of getting to the front of the line before last call.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

“Temptation, frustration, so bad it makes him cry.

Loose talk in the classroom

To hurt they try and try.

Strong words in the staffroom.

The accusations fly.”

Don't stand so close to me, Tuci78. I don't want to get bumped by the goons with guns who come to get you for threatening our President.

Jim, I agree with you. Big surprise there, huh? It would be impossible for Tuci78 to deny his own written posts. But that didn't stop him from trying, above.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Dream on. I will still be here long after you're gone.

And, even if someone else has a shovel, you're nowhere near man enough to take it from them and try to bash my head in.

Luckily for you, I'm not bothered by your nonsensical threats against ME. Just the ones against the President.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

You have nothing of any content to post. What a shock.

If you're not lying about government, or lying about the law, you're making up prison-sodomy fantasies or getting up close and personal about my excretory apparatus or my babymaker.

You stay classy!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

No. Actually it fits you. Everyone knows that. So go ahead and call me that. It will always just make you look foolish.

It's like when I call you “genius.” Everyone knows I don't mean it.

Just like everyone knows you don't think I'm an asshole. Well, scratch that. Everyone knows you don't think.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Genius, don't forget your capslock persuasion technique when raving lunacy fails.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Read the very first one again, Tuci78:

“I don't care how he gets carved out. His malignancy is manifest, and the damage he has done – and will continue to do – warrant just about anything up to the point that we're talking about someone with a middle name and sniper training.”

Middle name and sniper training? Well, I guess this just means you lied again. Non-aggression principle. Non-honesty principle. Same difference!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Tsk.

Tuci78 lies a lot. We know this. He also whines a lot. We know this too. He makes absurd threats. Stop me when I write something that is news.

But he gets so upset about seeing partial quotes yanked up to the top of the thread, I cannot resist doing it. I do so love to get under his skin.

But this post of his is comparatively brief, so I'll give you the whole thing. Bear in mind this comes from a man who is firmly committed to something he calls the “non-aggression principle.”

From the “Birthers Latch Onto Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate” thread, 10 hours ago, Tuci78 wrote:

“Aw, the 'ex-English major' is making a proofing snark. How noob.

And back again about how I've proven him to be an abject, hapless, pathological liar about 'Ft. Murtha' and the peculating porkmeister, National Socialist John Murtha, and his thieving ways.

Such a pitiful little pile of excrement is our little stevie.

Somebody got a shovel? Let's put him out of our misery.

And on to hell with him.”
_____________________________________

I would be remiss if I didn't give you my response to his shovelful of shit.

stephenperry 0 minutes ago

“Ooh, what's that bullshit you write about a non-aggression principle?

Does the principle still hold if you shout 'Kill him!' to an angry mob that is bearing the weapons you asked them to bring to the town square?

We know you're too limp-wristed to hold a shovel.

We also know that I would treat you as Agnes Skinner described the Yakuza to Marge Simpsons:

'They'll kill ya five times before ya hit the ground!'

So go on, lie to us some more about your non-aggression principle.

It beats hearing about that little airport that is driving your goats mad with all the noise from those three, count 'em, three flights a day.”

A lollipop for the first person to find something truthful, funny in the same sense that he meant it, or worthwhile posted by Tuci78.


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Hi asshole…thanks for the memories!!…hahahaah


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

No, everyone knows ur an asshole…I let them read all ur shit..Keep it commin…You are the brunt of all our jokes..Your such a fool everybody loves reading ur shit…It gives us insight to ur banal mind!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

This is more like it…hahaah Keep it commin asshole..Your great fun!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

Cant educate dumbasses like u ….ASSHOLE!!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

MOre comedy relief…thanks asshole!!…


JimPA
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

999 – A smart person can educate someone that is less educated. It has been true for every second that man has been on this earth.

A person that isn't as educated as his audience must resort to name calling to compensate for their lack of footing.


drlove999
Comment posted August 21, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

If u had read alot of my earlier post, u would have seen alot of education….After awhile, i get sick of all the obot bullshit!!


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:15 am

Hi all, I had to leave town on work again and I'm catching up. It may look as if this trail is cold from the top part. But I'll dig in. I hope ALL of you are well, sorry my job doesnt let my hobbies be very consistent these days to all of you, but if you took the time to post to me, I'll eventually post to you.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:20 am

Wow. I didnt like George Bush once, but as an ex-military guy I'm physically inable to wish the CiC harm or even ill health. Howsoever bad it might seem, somethings of realness are way more important that fantasy. And btw have your political fantasies, just realize there is a human line.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:23 am

But Tuci isnt really a countryman, Tuci doesnt have a stake outside of the royal euro think tank for whom he works. I'm sure Francis II is far better apt to discuss freedom than we the filthy, gruby little people


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:27 am

Hey jj.

No need to apologize for being away.

You DID remember to bring us something from your out of town trip, right?

Otherwise you got SOME nerve showing your face here empty-handed.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:29 am

Agreed. I thought Bush was a terrible President and that his “wins” were illegitimate in both 2000 and 2004. What ever happened to those ballot boxes in Ohio?

But I never considered writing feverish missives about Bush being sodomized. Nor did I ever even hint that he should be killed.

There's being mad that you lost an election. And then there's being un-American. And then, there's felonious threat-making.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:31 am

None of your earlier posts, never mind “alot” of them, have any educational value.

I suppose I could show truant children your lack of writing ability and admonish them to stay in school or they won't even be fit to flip burgers.

So I guess they're sort of educational after all.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:31 am

Since it's been a while and some of you birthers, as opposed to patriots are just joining now.. This birther crap is the fully discredited domain of fools. You claim that all logic and proof can only come from conspiracy websites; you are in thrall to great and terrible powers like the CIA and the KGB or whatsoever Jeff Rense and Alex Jones or Orly Taitz tells you to fear today. I'm sorry that your whole cause for acttion is a lie, it just is. But so sayeth 99% of the worlds reasonable people.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:33 am

HI. I think the conspiracy apes are calming down.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:34 am

next to an unpatriotic, userper birther liar.. who could possible be empty-handed?


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:40 am

sorry buddy, I'm working 60hrs to keep the lights on. And so that Tuci's ignoble feudal lords are enriched, to make sure we must only award capital and not labor.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:42 am

no doubt some abstract quote from a right wing crank declares how just this is. and that should the value you of labor rise from the result of labors influence, it must surely be communism. Fuck you Tuci.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:47 am

Even 99% of the unreasonable people on Earth aren't willing to go down the birther hole.

Just a few of the unreasonable Americans are. And they don't have access to mainstream media microphones.

So they scream and shout here, so as to make themselves feel better about the fact that they lost “their” country a while ago and there's no getting it back.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:49 am

So, if only you cared enough to work sixty-one hours, you could have brought us back something, is that what you're saying?

Tuci78 doesn't really have a coherent philosophy. Like all fantasies, his ends just before the whole thing comes crashing down. That usually happens when someone wakes you up.

I keep shaking him out of his dreams. He is rather grumpy about it, as most people are who would prefer to dream rather than produce.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:52 am

I tried to be nice on a few occasions and only got spit in my eye by the likes of Tuci, who is here at the behest of Otto bon Eurothinktank… To attept here what those pussies fear to make over there. The same crap that hasnt been tried since the feudal age…. for good reason..its feudal. But the screaming he makes of tyranny taught me a few things: I just cant ignore Otto von Thinktank anymore. I have to rip his mask off so that the good people who actually work for a living can see the worms.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:54 am

Randwulf is scarce as hens' teeth around these parts lately.

Could have something to do with my mockery about how if he was half as good at spreading birther lies as he is at spreading primate thighs, he wouldn't have to recycle gibberish about needing two U.S. citizen parents to be natural born even if you are born in the U.S.

Or it could just be that there's a comic book convention in his town and his mom gave him an extra fiver.

Other than that, there's not much activity. Tuci78 has fizzled and calcified. drlove999 isn't really a birther dumbass. Just a dumbass. There are one or two other idiots yapping nonsense and then daring us to “disprove” what they claim.

But it's still good to read the unvarnished hostility in your posts directed at the birthers. It would be worth it for a new crop of birthers to show up just so I can read more retaliatory fire from you.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Aye. BUT< tuci does not have a workable philosophy, but it is a coherent one. It to make sure the phily discusting vulgar hordes NEVER have the power to ask simple questions like: Who crapped in the drinking water.

You will crouch down and like the coorporate hand. Surrender is what good Americans do.

Who are these royalist over here rewritting our history and constitution? Did they think we'd be easier than europe because we had more conservatives?


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:05 am

Tuci is not an American, but has so many opinions on what America should be. And yet we'd be so much closer to you barons' call in nature… but re really aren't.

When the republicans figure out what shit you euro libertarians are trying to pull, you'll find we both remember how to shoot rifles.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:09 am

I havent run into Randwulf, but i will take the council of a few of you and be ready when I do.


drlove999
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:12 am

thanks ASSHOLE!!!


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:18 am

Unpatriot Birher Userpers. The will of the people you detests, and rather than win that opinion we have this birther immorality.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:34 am

I've had it with these clowns and decided to go old testiment on them: measure-for-measure, and pound-for-pound, and as you sow, may you also reap. No more Mr. Niceguy with these immoral anti-American fools.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:44 am

See, I was trying to give you a compliment.

To wit: you’re so stupid that your stupidity is educational to others.

And you respond with CAPSLOCK.

So you lose a point. Back to zero points.

But you did manage to reinforce my original point. Which is that you’re stupid.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Tuci I give you a way out of felony: instead of shooting any president, come to me for combat. I'm trained in a few arts but excel mostly at explosives. Tell your euro royalties thinktank that i volunteer for the 'hunt' so long as I have equal weapons and ammo. I don't miss often (although my 43 yo eyes are a paultry 20-25 now) so tell your ignoble feudal masters that your threat on our way of life is noted. And when any of your euro royals or thier cocksucking followers like you have real balls for a real challenge, let us know. Until then the US will protect you… You're welcome!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:52 am

Everyone DOES love reading my posts. Even Mr. Aaron Wiener.

Everyone enjoys a good laugh. Once in a while they learn something they did not already know.

But you don’t “let” anyone read my posts. You cannot stop them.

More to the point, you don’t speak for any “we” or “us.” You don’t have any friends to show these posts to.

How come you can’t spell coming? I let the first one slide.

Is it because you have never had sex with a partner?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:54 am

If this post survives the automated censorship of The Washington Independent, let this rabid little weasel be advised that his preadolescent posturing is beneath contempt.

You have not defeated a disputant because you have silenced him.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:00 am

You're performing a public service, my friend. Ripping off the masks is an obligation of conscience. Just try not to show how much fun you're having in the process. That's where I keep screwing up.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:00 am

Damn right.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:04 am

See, this is what I like.

The birthers have awakened the sleeping giant inside of REAL patriots. Their wrath shall be terrible. But unlike the Japanese emporer, I don't fear said wrath.

Instead, in the immortal words of George W. Bush, I say, “Bring 'em on!” “There's an old poster, I believe, out west, and it says 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'” What a wordsmith that Dubya is.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:15 am

Yeah. I got really fed up and decided to turn it around. The veiled threats against our head of state is discusting. And no matter how much I tried, all Tuci ever did was spit in my eye. And all his references are from euro-libertarian-inbred-thinktanks.

There's something evil afoot with them. They have all these 'advanced' ideas of society and how the poor feudal lords are being murdered by schools and infrastucture. I've had it with them playing both sides against the middle; time to play the middle against the destructive, disproven libertarian fringe. And all his 'thinking' references are from European thinktanks? Go try it on your own damn continent. You might thing we are easy, and we might be to a point, but when it turns round you will find the US the hardest place.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:36 am

It truly was a gestalt moment. I just wanted to believe more so badly.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:43 am

I hear you, man.

For my part, I wanted to believe that the country really had changed, THOROUGHLY, because we elected Obama.

It's more like 60 percent of the country changed. Of that 60 percent that changed, 90 percent voted for Obama. 5 percent forgot to vote because they love life so much they spaced the date of the election. And 5 percent are married to people who haven't changed and thus they had to abstain from voting for Obama to keep peace in the household.

And the other 40 percent of the country is still clinging to outdated prejudices and silly concepts like trickle-down economics. These people, who I call “Republicans” even though many of them are airy-fairy faux-libertarians, are voting against their real self-interest.

Scene from 19th-century New York, near Ellis Island.

Fresh-off-the-boat Irish guy: “So, if I call blacks 'niggers' can I come to Anglo-Saxon parties?”

Anglo-Saxon guy: “Yes, if someone calls 911. You have to be a policeman.”

Irish guy: “But that makes me better than niggers, right?”

Anglo-Saxon: “You're quick! You should be a detective!”

And thus and so on, until we get to the present day.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 5:56 am

Maybe I thought we jumped 60% forward, but maybe we only jumped 20%. But I'll take it because I can't see anything better around me. But you must have faith, Change is gonna come: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvayzIktTJ4

If Grandpa Eliot doesn't put you on your ass at time index 3:35, than you don't have a soul. :)


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 6:40 am

I'm not good at it yet, but I will be. I'm not really Englishly tuned for everyday speech, nor did I want to be before this, my method of work is to to type 10k lines and see how many times the editor and compiler stops. The spell check will scrub my syntax errors, but I have no compiler for the semantic errors. But I never once made fun of anyone's grammar or spelling so long as I understood them.

Nevertheless these unpatriotic complaining assholes need to be stopped. I might not be an English major, and there might be a very high English standard here, but I've had it with the unpatriotic birther assholes. And Tuci is far more qualified to speak on cake over bread on the way to the guillotine than to an American citiizen about our history that only your think tank actually experienced.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:12 am

Don't be so hasty, jj. You don't need to be an English major or even a kindergarten graduate as long as you're not a birther. (I never even attended kindergarten, so it's true…)

If you were to check a broad sample of posts, you'd find that birthers write significantly less well than non-birthers. This is to be expected, since birthers are not as intelligent, by and large, by virtue of being birthers.

But that doesn't mean everyone writes flawlessly, or even close, most certainly including me.

You'd also find, if you checked, that I don't ever write anything about any non-birther's grammar or spelling mistakes.

There isn't any high standard of English here. There's me mocking birthers and getting under their skin while undercutting their claims of being so brilliant that they spotted something that none of us can see about Obama.

Non-birthers are expressing ideas sincerely and honestly. Sometimes their ideas are wrong, but they come by those ideas in good faith, so I believe it would be way out of line to nitpick on their spelling or grammar.

But birthers are disingenuous and insincere. They lie about everything from why they are birthers to what it would take to make them not be birthers anymore. They are also universally arrogant and belittling. drlove999's penchant for calling the reader “asshole” and telling us he doesn't have to educate us by providing links comes readily to mind.

In my view, this means they have it coming. Anything they get wrong, call them on their mistakes. Like a Marine drill sergeant taking perverse and obvious pleasure in taunting the recruit who fucks up during ANYTHING, just so that everyone else gets the point and doesn't fuck up.

The reason most people don't write anything about spelling or grammar errors is that the person you correct will feel ashamed and stupid. It has a chilling effect on a conversation. So it's rude to call someone out for it, in civil comment boards.

But that's fair game when it comes to people who are lying to you and putting you down. I want to insult them and yank them around by their noses before rubbing their noses in their shitty writing. So I read their posts closely and pick them apart, from spelling to punctuation to subject-verb agreement. Whatever is wrong with it, I make sure to point it out.

I want them to know that we see them for what they are, not what they claim to be.

It also discredits their argument. If they're not bright enough to know simple grammar, it's unlikely that they know something Dr. Janice Fukino (or Hillary Clinton) does not.

So just come on with what you've got, jj. I think that good ideas have only to be understood, not expressed perfectly. Being right goes a long way toward the goal. In fact it's the only thing that gets you there. If you're wrong, you lose the argument, no matter how eloquently or articulately you state your incorrect position.

I went to a Frontline debate on my university's campus as a freshman. It was about whether the internet should be censored. Debating for the pro-censorship side was William F. Buckley. Debating for the anti-censorship side was some professor from Oregon or something, some nobody.

The nobody, when it was his turn to speak, said “It is daunting to go up against one of the world's great minds, but I have the immense satisfaction of knowing that I'm right.”

The audience loved it. I've never forgotten it. Because he WAS right. And there wasn't a damn thing Buckley could say, no matter how big his words were, that erased that moment from our minds.

Same thing here. It doesn't matter what random obscure irrelevant Eurotrash bullshit Tuci78 quotes. He's still advocating violence against the President and advancing birther arguments in hopes of tearing down “the imperial Presidency.” So by definition, anything you write in opposition is better-written than what he wrote.

What he writes is disgusting. Spelling or grammar mistakes aren't disgusting.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:26 am

Bring a shiny, reflective object. Something like a crumpled ball of tinfoil will do just fine.

If you see Randwulf coming toward you, throw the object to the side, at least 10 feet away.

He will dart over to the object, crouch over it to claim it as his own, and then study it in mute amazement while you continue on your way.

This is also a good way to catch raccoons. Of course, you have to sneak up on them when they're distracted, and they don't like surprises.

You can also put a ball of tinfoil inside a glass jar with a lid on it, and a small hole punched in the lid. They will stick a hand into the jar, grab the tinfoil, and hold on to it come hell or high water even though the hole isn't big enough for them to get their fist and the ball through it. They'll still be holding it hours later. Even if you have a dog with you, they won't let go.

I learned this as a boy. Great fun. I got the idea from Where the Red Fern Grows, which I loved reading as a kid.

It also led to me drunkenly telling a former girlfriend that in some ways I see women as big, sexy raccoons. It totally came out wrong. But she for some reason really thought it was cute.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:25 am

lol, that's a superb story, I'll bet buckley's thesaurus was spinning at 3k RPM, no less.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:31 am

Yeah, the gloves are definately off with Tuci, couldnt care less what the Eurotrash 2k Consortium has to say about the proper distribution of human worth, so long as embedded generations of royal filth get to write the rules they have no concern, that's why this is America, I can only guess that we seem vulnerable due to the the decibels of Limbaughs that play out without retort in equal measure… but just wait until the Republicans figure out why Eurotinktanks are in our birth cirtificate 'debate' to really do. They never one believed it, they just thought it an opening.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:43 am

Had to vote up that post.


jjfitz
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:49 am

Tuci has had an averse affect on my stomach, the continous pullling rank. If someone showed up like that in a real war they would be fragged out in 30-sec.

Lately they have this discredited Goldberg shit that says that… get this, that Nazi's where a left-wing morph. Not that anything going so insane needs to be classified, but they like to play word games with the 'socialism' in National Socialism, etc. Instead of a generation of behavior they have a word…. 'socialism'

And not the personal type, nooo, the NATIONAL type, IE the conservative type, but hey… if you go too far you're not a conservative either. But it just shows me what's going on right now and how evil it is… and that even software engineers can play stoopit word games.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:04 am

I don't like having to bump jj's post inviting to Tuci78 to participate in mortal combat down a notch.

But I have to share this with you. And especially with drlove999.

Tuci78, as you know, is a whiny doofus. He also makes assassination threats in profane, overwrought, lie-filled posts.

Yet, he is sensitive about being called names.

Hence, he whined to Mr. Aaron Wiener about it. He boasted of doing so. You have seen my posted email from Mr. Wiener and response to him. You noted, no doubt, that Mr. Wiener copiously indicated that he understood that I was merely “responding in kind” to “some of the other commenters.”

I invited Tuci78 to post Mr. Wiener's email to HIM, for comparison.

Here's what Tuci78 wrote, on the “Is this the Source of the Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate” thread, in response to my request:

“Sure.

Dear Tuci78,

Thank you for your frequent and lively contributions to our comment threads on The Washington Independent. I would urge you, though, to refrain from using so much profanity in your comments. Not only do they detract from the civil discourse on our site, but they also undermine your credibility. Please do continue reading and commenting on our stories, but be warned that we will have to remove your comments if you continue making ad hominem attacks on fellow readers.

Best,

Aaron Wiener
Assistant Editor

I responded with a note admonishing him not to incorrectly use the expression ad hominem when what he meant was simply insult couched in pungent language (we all know what the logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem really is, don't we, kids?), and told him I'd be delighted to comply, with the caveat that I expected him to enforce similar compliance upon the Obamaphile cement-heads posting on these threads.

And I emailed Mr. Wiener – very courteously – about you, little stevie, in addition to hitting the “Report” button on your filthy “f-bomb” posts.

Hey, I warned you repeatedly before I did so, didn't I?

And therefore to hell with little stevie.

Oh, yeah. I'm hitting 'Report' on your post above, too. Not supposed to use that naughty 'a–hole' word, idgy-woojums.” –Tuci78
________________________________________

First, and most crucially, drlove999, do you see that at the end? Not s'posed to use the word “asshole.” Tuci78 will tell on you.

Unless, of course, he only means that I cannot use it, but that birthers are free to call everyone under the sun an “asshole” and his delicate constitution can handle THAT.

But beyond that, we note that Mr. Wiener's email differs from the one he sent to me. Nothing in there about “responding in kind.” And there's nothing in MY email about undermined credibility or ad hominem attacks. Just something about how I could be EVEN MORE persuasive.

Gee, and I thought these editors were supposed to be objective? What's that bullshit Tuci78's always whining about…something about the government's not supposed to pick winners? Does that hold for website editors too?

Losing must suck. I'll have to ask Tuci78 for a five paragraph randomly underlined post about what losing is like.

And, what is most amusing to me, is the idea that Tuci78 accused ME of mocking Mr. Wiener by referring to him by his full name with the respectful prefix “Mr.” in front of it, nothing more than that…

But in Tuci78's own re-telling of what he wrote in response to being upbraided by the assistant editor, Tuci78 “responded with a note ADMONISHING HIM not to use the expression…”

Wow. What a total jackass. You admonish a wayward child. You do not admonish a man whose job it is to decide whether your bullshit threatening comments can stand or must be taken down. More to the point, you do not admonish an adult.

This example perfectly illustrates why I do not respect Tuci78. He does not respect anyone.

But really, drlove999, you've been warned. Old man Tuci has his finger ON THE BUTTON, man! THINK before you write!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:16 am

Hey, thanks. I was starting to wonder if all my suggestive glances toward the “Tip Jar” were having any effect.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:23 am

“If someone showed up like that in a real war…”

I really don't think anyone like Tuci78 would actually show up.

He's got “4-F” written all over him. Failed mental and moral standards, as well as physical. The guy can't use a keyboard, either to write (arthritic fingers lead to HTML misadventures), or to write non-absurd posts.

Plus he's a coward, through and through. Major Cook, who he spiritedly defended, is also a coward. I'm sure that, although Tuci78 knows next to nothing about the law, he would bone up on it with a vengeance if he needed to find a way out of putting himself within range of an armed American soldier in a kill zone.

Oh, yeah, and I'm sure he's afraid of terrorists, too. But not as afraid as he is of “goons with guns.”

WHAT a doofus. Neither a lover nor a fighter nor a writer.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:27 am

I always liked Buckley, even though I didn't agree with him. (I like the fact that his son quit the National Review, as well).

That night, he tried all his patrician bluster about decency and posed all the wild questions conservatives come up with to describe what they consider obscenity. He really put his heart into it. But he knew what he was in for. My university isn't particularly liberal; it's actually known as rather conservative. But college students are not receptive to censorship arguments and aren't squeamish about pornography.

So he knew he would not win. The important thing for him was to get that annoying faux-British accent and deadpan humor timed just right, so as to leave a beautiful corpse at the funeral.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:34 am

I spmehow didn't see this before I wrote the post about Buckley. Same idea, fewer sentences!


drlove999
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

Great comment asshole…Keep em commin..!!1…We love them…hahaha


drlove999
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 1:36 pm

I dont know what we would do without our daily laugh from u asshole…You are indeed priceless!!!


pmc123
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

Whoever “drlove999″ is … here clearly spends most of his life on this website leaving profanity laden comments. We call these kind of people “trolls”. He has no facts to offer… no intelligent discourse and thinks resorting to verbal attacks is really going to bother people. What a pitiful meaningless little life he leads.


drlove999
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

Actually, i spent my time proving what assholes u obot loving obama pervert lack of a brain people you really are…Verbal attacks has been u left wing liberal assholes from day one..Your playbook is Saul Alinskys rules for radicals of which u have mastered…Not something to be proud of BTW!!!…I have submitted so many facts ur brain would be working on overload just to process them..The mere fact its not, coupled with this asinine post clearly indicates to me what mindless ignorant assholes u people really are!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

You haven't submitted a fact yet.

And you continue to project your flaws onto everyone else. You're the one posting nothing but attacks. But, genius, they're not verbal attacks. You're writing them.

When is your mom going to let you watch television again? You must have fucked up pretty bad to have lost that privilege. Too bad. There was a Reading Rainbow program on PBS this morning that could have educated you.


drlove999
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

This is what i mean by calling u an asshole…You keep writing shit that is so frickin funny, my friends and i are laughing our asses off….Keep em commin…We are all starting to like u alot…You are making our day…Thanks asshole!!!
ps..the fact that u continually ignore all the facts presented is what causes us to laugh our asses off…You are such a soo typical obama obot…..!!!!!! hahaha


pmc123
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

drlove999… and your folloiwing the “Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity” rules for republicans. That is…. do nothing, lie, pull something out of your butt. Claim you provided proof when you never have… and then when caught and proven wrong lie again. When all else fails… then resort to profanity or telling other people to shut up.

It makes me laugh too… just provides more proof that your a nut and belong in an asylum under sedation.


drlove999
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Asshole, i have provided soo much information to u obama obot lovers that iam just tired of trying u educate u dumbass people!!!…Im sure u can see my point and totally agree!!….But keep coming up with ur shit talk cause it is providing great humor for those of us who love our constitution and our country!!….What amazes me is that the evidence against obama is OVERWHELMING and ur constant feeble atrtempts to defend him and make excuses for him is the fodder for all our laughter and continued humor…Im actually beginning to like u asshole obot obama loving people cause u constantly keep me and my friends entertained!!!!!….


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

You continue to write things that have no basis in reality.

You have no friends. Nothing I could write could make your day. You're obviously a miserable piece of shit.

Which is why I like writing to you about how stupid you are. Glad to drive home the point that you're worthless.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

There is no evidence against President Obama.

Nor is there any evidence that you have even read the Constitution, much less entered into a romantic relationship with it.

There is compelling evidence, however, that you are starved for attention and that you are bored with your imaginary friends.


drlove999
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

I was beginning to worry cause i hadn't heard from u in awhile…Thanks for not disappointing me and my patriot friends…Even they have commented how insanely ignorant and stupid u are to argue with overwhelming evidence against obama, but then, i explained to them i have to keep humoring u so u will continue to write shit crap that makes us laugh…!!!,..Keep it commin asshole!!!…This is making our weekend!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Believe me when i say, u are the greatest commedienne (not to mention asshole) my friends and i could ever have…Your ignorance and stupidity brighten our day…Keep telling us we have presented no evidence and that there are no facts concerning obamas illegitimacy to be in the white house…Its crap like that that keeps us entertained shithead…So far u havent disappointed me or my friends…We are laughing our asses off…None of my friends can believe how u summarily dismiss the overwhelming preponderance of evidence against obama showing him to be a fraud and a usurper posing as our president while he slowly destroys the america we all love..I explained to them that u are mentally imbalanced and have been drinking obama kool-aid for soo long all ur mental receptors are so poisoned it is impossible for u to have cognitive thinking or form a rational thought…It wasnt long after reading ur shit that now they all understand!!…This is why they like u soo much..You area great entertainer….Keep em commin asshole…You definitely have an audience!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

You have no friends.

If you did, they would not be patriots.

They couldn't even afford to drink Samuel Adams, the beer that says Patriot on the label. More like Pabst Blue Ribbon, if it's on sale at FoodForLess.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 22, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

Who taught you the word “preponderance?”

They should have taught you that it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt.


drlove999
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:09 am

That would be really touching if u hadn't stolen it from someone else….hahaahaha….Ill bet u dont even know who made that comment….Nonetheless, u are making me and my friends weekend…Keep em commin asshole…we really like u…hahahaah!!!


drlove999
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Way to go asshole!!!….hahahahaha thats funny, but not as funny as some other dumb shit u say about how innocent obama is….Keep em commin…!!!!,…haahahah…What a great way to share a weekend but laughing at u dumbass obots who say the stupidest shit on earth..None of my friends can believe how ignorant u are, but they are all becoming believers!!!…haha


drlove999
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 12:17 am

Oh, one (1) more thing asshole u should know…Of course, why would i think u should know cause u never do any research….Oh well!!….Ill tell u anyway shithead…The obama kenyan birth certificate case filed in federal court is moving forward with discovery and authentication….Just thought u and ur fellow obots should know cause me and my friends are waiting for more dumb shit to flow out of ur diarreah mouth so we can laugh some more!!!…I was going to give u a link, but then, i remembered my previous post that said the following “It is not my job to educate the dumbass assholes of this world of which u are their leader!!!!…..hahahahah


pmc123
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 1:58 am

“obama is OVERWHELMING”

Your right…overwhelmingly awesome… especially compared to fratboy Bush. He can at least compose a decent sentence (unlike you).
You still haven't provided any evidence… your continued canned responses just show your stupidity.


pmc123
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 1:59 am

Best way to stop this guy… ignore him completely. Without attention he withers and dies.


drlove999
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 2:25 am

I dont have to provide anything asshole…The evidence about fraud obama is as available to u as it is to me..However, i have discovered even before the fake election that shitheads like yourself are incapable of cognitive reasoning and rational thought so to do research for u or provide u anything of substance is a waste of valuable time….You are so in love with fraud obama that he himself could tell u he was born in kenya or that he knew he was not constitutionally eligible to run for office of the president and i can assure you that YOU would still find a way to excuse him and give him a pass so that he could continue to be ur king…Maybe for u asswipe, but not for me!!….Listen, grow up asshole…Do ur own research and stop asking other people to do it for u…Does ur mama still wipe the shit off ur ass when u crap??…I bet she does!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:55 am

“The obama kenyan birth certificate case filed in federal court is moving forward with discovery and authentication.”

Hmmm. Is this another Citizens' Grand Jury presentment in the making?

If only what you wrote about providing a link was true. Then it would be great fun to read the story about the Citizens' Grand Jury.

But everyone knows you just make shit up. No case is considering anything about the forged Kenyan birf sirtifikat. No discovery or authentication of any sort is based in any way on that forged document, which is not in evidence before any Court.

What's nifty about you is that you will write utterly anything when you get slapped around.

You still haven't learned to spell diarrhea, either. Which is funny, considering how familiar you are with free-flowing shit coming out of your own mouth.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 4:59 am

See, that's where you and I are different.

You like me. I don't like you.

You lie about imaginary friends. I tell the truth about actual friends.

You're an asshole. I'm ruining your attempted assholery by pointing it out.

You don't know who made one of the most famous quotes ever. I do.

You cannot spell or persuade. I can.

You cannot cite anything to buttress your arguments. I can and do.

You cannot even MAKE arguments. I can and do.

You have a mandatory bedtime set by your parents. I do not.

The last one explains why you are not posting right now. Better sneak out of bed and come repeat the same silly juvenile misspelled gibberish you have been peddling here for a while. It's really working! Not.


drlove999
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 5:02 am

Thanks for writing more bullshit asshole…My friends and i were dying to hear from u…Thanks for the laughs… And incidentally asshole…You havent provided 1 shred of credible believable evidence on obama since i met ur sorry ass u asswipe!!!…hahaha


stephenperry
Comment posted August 23, 2009 @ 5:03 am

“The evidence about fraud obama is as available to u as it is to me”

This is a true statement.

“Zero is a percent.” — Flavored boxed soft-drink seller on The Simpsons, after explaining to Lisa Simpson that her products contained a certain percentage of actual fruit juice

There is no evidence about any fraud involving Obama. That evidence, which does not exist, is equally available to us all.

So is time-travel.