How Many Southern Whites Believe Obama Was Born in America?

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Friday, July 31, 2009 at 4:56 pm

The breakdowns of the Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll that asked 2,400 people about where they believe the president was born are revealing. As Steve Benen and Markos Moulitsas both pointed out, only in the South is there a sizable number of Americans with questions about the president’s citizenship. While around 90 percent of people in the Northeast, Midwest and West know that Obama was born in in United States, only 47 percent of people in the South believe this. Twenty-three percent think he was born somewhere else; 30 percent don’t know.

But how many Southern whites aren’t sure whether the president has lied about his citizenship? The “South” defined by the poll includes 30 percent of the country’s population, in twelve states: Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Texas. That’s around 99.2 million people, of whom 61.3 million are non-Hispanic whites, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. According to the exit polls in those 12 states, 30.6 percent of the voters in this region who cast ballots in 2008 were black, Hispanic or members of another minority group.

According to Del Ali of Research 2000, if you excluded those people from the poll—if you look only at white voters in the South—the number of people who doubt Obama’s citizenship is  higher than the 47 percent figure that has grabbed headlines today. “There was no deviation in the number of black, Hispanic, and other voters from one region of the country to another,” Ali told TWI. In the South, like everywhere else, the vast majority of non-white voters said that Obama was born in the United States; 97 percent of black voters, 87 percent of Hispanic voters, and 88 percent of other minorities. The extremely low overall percentage? That’s due to white Southerners, who dragged down the average with an extremely high level of doubt about Obama.

So what proportion of Southern whites doubt that Obama is an American citizen? While Ali did not release the racial breakdowns for the the South, and cautioned that the margin of error in the smaller sample of 720 people would be larger than the national margin of error (2 percent), the proportion of white Southern voters with doubts about their president’s citizenship may be higher than 70 percent. More than 30 percent of the people polled in the South were non-white, and very few of them told pollsters that they had questions about Obama’s citizenship. In order for white voters to drive the South’s “don’t know” number to 30 percent and it’s “born outside the United States” number to 23 percent, as many as three-quarters of Southern whites told pollsters that they didn’t know where Obama was born.

One thing to keep in mind, if only a quarter or a fifth of white Southerners believe Obama was born in the United States, that’s more than voted for him last year in some states.  Obama won 14 percent of the white vote in Louisiana, 14 percent in Mississippi, and 10 percent in Alabama.

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Katey
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Please invest in the educational system…fast. This is scarey


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Tuci78
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

Writes Mr. Weigel:

While around 90 percent of people in the Northeast, Midwest and West know that Obama was born in in United States…

Hm. Mr. Weigel, it's precisely that these misguided unfortunates don't “know” that's the problem. They certainly believe that our “poverty pimp” simulacrum of a lawful POTUS had first sucked teat in a hospital in Honolulu, but without definitive proof in the presentation of a physical, print-on-paper, signed and sealed certified and true copy of a state government's attestation of information supportive of such a contention, there ain't no way for anybody to “know” anything about Barry Soetoro except that he's covering up a genuine mountain of stuff in his personal past history that looks wonderfully like he's lying his narrow little ass off.

Just how much is The Washington Independent paying you, Mr. Weigel? Are they being subsidized by the Annenberg Foundation or the Obama campaign, or what?


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mantis
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

Hm. Mr. Weigel, it's precisely that these misguided unfortunates don't “know” that's the problem. They certainly believe that our “poverty pimp” simulacrum of a lawful POTUS had first sucked teat in a hospital in Honolulu, but without definitive proof in the presentation of a physical, print-on-paper, signed and sealed certified and true copy of a state government's attestation of information supportive of such a contention, there ain't no way for anybody to “know” anything about Barry Soetoro except that he's covering up a genuine mountain of stuff in his personal past history that looks wonderfully like he's lying his narrow little ass off.

Translation: “That for which much evidence has been available, and examined by non-partisan investigators, is merely a belief with no proof. Our speculation based on zero evidence is the only thing anyone can know with absolute certainty.”

Quintessential birther Paulbot ^


Tuci78
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

What “non-partisan investigators,” spineless? You mean those Annenberg Foundation J-school jerkwads at FactCheck?

Little invertebrate, aren't you aware that Barry Soetoro also pulled down a paycheck as an Annenberg Foundation teat-sucker?

As if graduation from a school of journalism conferred with it the experience and expertise required to assess the provenance and “genuineness” of a legal document….

Gawd, bug-bait, but why don'tcha yank the other one while you're groping down there?


Pietr
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 12:29 am

I greatly appreciate this analysis. I had interpolated this for myself but couldn't believe this to be possible.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 12:33 am

This could all be cleared up so easily libs.

Just prove to us that Hawaii is really a state. And I dont mean a link to some George Soros or Anneberg foundation website like Rand McNally or Google Earth.

Provide a link to a non partisan objective website like World Net Daily or Fox Nation that proves that this so called Hawaii even exists as a real place!


mantis
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 12:39 am

I do mean the folks at the Annenberg Public Policy Center, among others. And they have a far better reputation than any birther I've seen. Then again, the liar Polarik ain't exactly a high bar you've all set.

I don't know who Barry Soetoro is, but who cares if he worked for an Annenberg Foundation funded project. They fund many things due to the generous endowment provided by Ambassadors Walter and Leonore Annenberg, who were Republicans, by the way. That devious Obama controls everything, doesn't he!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 12:52 am

And precisely what kind of reputation do “the folks at the Annenberg Public Policy Center” have as forensic documents examiners, aphid-eater?

Hm. So the non-Obamaphiles out in the great expanses are supposed to think that your Mombasa Messiah's slavering worshipers (“Ooh, we got to hold His real birth certificate! Look, Agnes, I'm lubricating!“) at FactCheck were or are qualified to certify under oath the “genuineness or non-genuineness” of a purported true and certified copy of a state government's official issue?

Aw, c'mon, windshield decoration. That's all you got? You – some kind of chitinous simulacrum of presentation on the Internet – are the authority on the reliability of “the folks at the Annenberg Public Policy Center,” and everybody is supposed to take that as the Revealed Word of God?


mantis
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 1:05 am

You have liars, charlatans, crazy people, Paulbots, PUMAs and white supremacists all with zero evidence of any malfeasance. I can point to a reputable organization that examined and photographed the document and found it to meet all of the State Department's requirements:

A birth certificate must include your full name,
the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.

Having that, and supported by so much other evidence, such as the birth announcements in the newspapers, the confirmation of Hawaii's Republican-appointed DOH director, the likelihood and ability of a very pregnant American college student traveling to Kenya to give birth in 1961 and have no one notice her absence here or presence there, and just basic common sense, I see no reason to think that the Annenberg Public Policy Center is covering up for the president (along with, preposterously, so many others).

Plus, even if he were born in Kenya Obama would be a natural-born United States citizen, so the very idea that he would try to cover that up if true is absurd.

Then again, I could believe every internet charlatan and crank lawyer, like you.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 1:17 am

Aw, spineless little creepy-crawler, I haven't got anyone other than li'l old me.

Look, just because you and your fellow “left-wing bloggers” are getting daily email push messages from Messiah Central and coordinating with your “team leader,” little stevie, doesn't mean that the constitutionalist side is working in concert. What are you, some kind of conspiracy nut?

I take such information as I find in open sources online and in the drive-by media (and I don't rely for my nation's security on Republicans; Jeez, where have you been for the past eight years?) and I know a wee bit more about the political predispositions of the Annenberg Foundation than you'd like to think I do.

And because your Messiah had been born to Stanley Ann Dunham in the Maternity Ward at Coast Provincial General Hospital in exotic downtown Mombasa at a time before she was of age and duration of residence in these United States adequate to enable her under prevailing statutes to confer “natural born” U.S. citizen status on whatever lump she squeezed out, your “poverty pimp” consitutional lawyer of a Marxist Mahdi would most certainly “try to cover that up.”

And you believe that “charlatan and crank lawyer,” ant-nibbler?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 1:54 am

Where the hell have you been?

We've got Buddhists and “Christains” milling about.

Welcome back.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 1:56 am

I need to get your translation software, mantis. It's better than mine.

Mine doesn't delete the creepy homoerotic references Tuci78 always makes.

Is there a setting I need to change?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:00 am

“That's all you got?”

First, it's more than you've got, in that it's ANYTHING.

Second, no, it's not all. There's also the Hawai'ian state officials who themselves have attested to looking at the original records and confirming that they show President Obama was born in Hawai'i at 7:24 p.m. on that wondrous August day in 1961.

Enjoy the NRO article I posted? It's all in there. Of course, it's all over place. Facts are slippery rascals but quite a few websites have speared the little suckers by now. You can see this any number of places. Even World Net Daily!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:02 am

“look, just because you and your fellow “left-wing bloggers” are getting daily email push messages from Messiah Central and coordinating with your “team leader,” little stevie, doesn't mean that the constitutionalist side is working in concert. What are you, some kind of conspiracy nut?”

The best that my translation software comes up with is:

“I don't have any friends. I think stevie must be coordinating messages from up on high because he seems to say the same thing all you non-paranoid, non-racist, non-doofuses say. I really wish someone would back me up. My teeth hurt.”


rick
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:09 am

By “he can't be American”, I assume the real meaning is “it is impossible for an educated black man to run this country”.

Well, if you don't want him, we'll take him here in Canada, but not as leader, just as an upstanding citizen and great public speaker. He's WAY too right wing for our tastes.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:25 am

Nah. I don't need any friends on these Web pages to have fun. The guys with whom I correspond (both within and outside the professional sphere) think of you Obamaphiles as just a bit more repulsive than a sputum specimen.

So how do you racist, paranoid, non-constitutionalist “poverty pimp” worshiping sons of the order of the ACORN doing?

Still praying for Vaseline?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:31 am

The NRO article confirms the COLB is the document. There is no other document.

There's an electronic database that has stuff floating on it. You're not allowed to go in the little room and look at it. (This is the part that bugs you to no end….)

People who are allowed to go look at it have done so. They confirm that the electronic records show the same thing as what's on that COLB that you hate so much.

When you ask for a birth certificate, they go in the little room and read off the stuff from the electronic records and put it onto a COLB and hand that to you.

As I indicated, this is all spelled out in the NRO editorial, as well as many other non-right-wing sources.

Oh but you have westernjournalism.com – are these people not J-school Jerkwads, as you sniffed about the Annenberg-funded factcheck.org folks? Tsk, indeed.

Next.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Nah, I don't pray for Vaseline.

I do wonder, though about your “j-school jerkwad” comment. You obviously don't want your journalists to have gone to journalism school.

I pray that if I ever get in an accident and need major surgery, that no “scalpel-wielding med-school misfit” operates on me. I want a forklift operator or a country & western singer to do it.

Makes as much sense as your idea.

Actually, if I believed for a second that you were an actual doctor, that alone would be a vote for the forklift driver. I hate country & western music.


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Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:50 am

The WesternJournalism.com folks picked up the report (jeez, stevie, but do you read anything all the way through before your fingers start twitching and you begin jerking off all over your Commodore 64?) and reproduced it in toto, unedited.

None of those J-school grads offered word one about things like the provenance of a physical document they'd supposedly been given. They just said “Here, this is what we got; you read it.”

As for your National Review Online article, like I said, I'm gonna rely on Republicans? Gawd, stevie, how do you breathe with your head shoved all the way up your ass like that?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:56 am

You don't need Vaseline, stevie? Don't tell me that the sex change surgery and the hormone shots have got you lubricating already?

You go on praying, stevie. “Oh, Barry, who art in Washington, Forbidden be thy birth cetificate! Thy policies be implemented, Though the Constitution forbid them all. Give us this day our daily pork, And presidential pardons, For all our trespasses, As we forgive none who try to hang onto what little we allow them to earn, And satisfy our every temptation, As we send you interns with knee-pads, As in the days of Bubba…”

Aw, crimenately. This is just too goddam much like dynamiting carp in a koi pond.


SpacelySpaceSprockets
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:07 am

Hey Tuci,

Ya friggin hairy douchebag, how the hell are ya? I've been looking for you for a while and now I've found you.


DanV
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:15 am

So 70% of white southerners either don't think Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or are uncertain. How many of them could SPELL Barack Obama? How many of them could READ Barack Obama? How many even KNOW who the current President is? In answer to that, I'm sure that some of them knocked around the names Hoover and Coolidge!

Oh, and one more thing: Tuci and Stephenberry – it takes forever to scroll past your personal (and tiring) feud. I've commented on this sight for the first time – and the last (if I see your names in the comments section).

If you want to joust with each other, please take your barbs and lances somewhere else!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Hey, happy to do so, Dan. Problem is that little stevie's got the rag on or something. I seem to stir up that weasel he keeps in his codpiece.

On the “70% of white southerners,” what the hell d'you have against voting citizens, anyway? Don't you revere minority groups? Tch. How un-PC.

In a representative republic conducting its activities under rule of law constrained by the specific powers and limitations articulated in the charter we know as the U.S. Constitution, it really ought to be safe for the private citizen to turn his back on the “Malevolent Jobholder” of civil government in reasonable assurance that someone like our Mombasa Messiah won't come along to turn our currency into bumfodder, play smash-and-grab on our economy, try to “nationalize” the 17% of our GDP making up the health care sector, filing pork at every National Socialist Party incumbent in the Congress, and generally implement the Cloward-Piven strategy on a nationwide scale.

And that “70% of white southerners” almost certainly include millions of people who are asked to put forth a certified and true copy of their birth certificates pretty much on a routine basis since 9/11 in order to provide bona fides of their identities in place like the state DMV.

They find that requirement irksome but altogether explicable and unremarkable.

So why (they ask) is this shifty sonofabitch in the White House refusing to do the same goddam thing (they) gotta do all the time?


elsbeth
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:52 am

Tuci,

Just what did your mother do to you as a child to instill such fear of your obvious sexual deviancy/impotency?

Still praying for you Tuci. Let's hope that God really cares.

It is rather pathetic to see a man chained to his computer throwing out ignorant filth rather than talking like a civilized and intelligent human.

It isn't your politics that are offensive. The fact that you feel the need to speak about your repressed homoerotic urges rather than discussing the true grit of the issues speaks volumes about you.

Here is a novel idea. Challenge yourself to be an articulate and insightful human being for 1 day. 24 hours. Discuss the issues rather than your homoerotic fantasies on a political website. There are plenty of sited for you to experience your sexual impotence. Some are even free.

If you had a valid argument, you wouldn't need the crap your toss out there. We ALL know that your hostility and overtly erotic crap is just filler for an inability to have a reasonable discussion.

The challenge: conquer your intellectual impotency.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:54 am

Hey, rick, I'd be delighted to have “an educated black man” running these United States.

Thomas Sowell for sure. Walter Williams, too. Hell, at least each of them has a valid birth certificate he can show on demand.

As for Barry Soetoro – whose academic records pertinent to his education I would just love to see, but he's inexplicably had them “sealed” away from public scrutiny – you may yet have him in Canada.

Hm. Or not. You guys got extradition treaties with these United States, don't you?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:18 am

Down below and working off the edge, elsbeth writes:

“Tuci,

“Just what did your mother do to you as a child to instill such fear of your obvious sexual deviancy/impotency?

“Still praying for you Tuci. Let's hope that God really cares.

“It is rather pathetic to see a man chained to his computer throwing out ignorant filth rather than talking like a civilized and intelligent human.

“It isn't your politics that are offensive. The fact that you feel the need to speak about your repressed homoerotic urges rather than discussing the true grit of the issues speaks volumes about you.

“Here is a novel idea. Challenge yourself to be an articulate and insightful human being for 1 day. 24 hours. Discuss the issues rather than your homoerotic fantasies on a political website. There are plenty of sited for you to experience your sexual impotence. Some are even free.

“If you had a valid argument, you wouldn't need the crap your toss out there. We ALL know that your hostility and overtly erotic crap is just filler for an inability to have a reasonable discussion.

“The challenge: conquer your intellectual impotency.”

Well, thanks for the prayers, lizzie. I'm sure that your close relationship with God – which is, ironically, just as well-proven as is Barry Soetoro's claim to have been born in Honolulu instead of his native Mombasa – will see each of us through to a better tomorrow.

Hm. The only “fear” in my relationship with my mother came when she was teaching me to drive. I do believe she was in “fear” for her life, sitting there in the shotgun seat and pressing her foot against an imaginary brake pedal so hard I thought she was going to put her shoe through the firewall. Oh, well. My own kids gave me a larger dose of the same medicine, so there's balance in the cosmos.

As for “talking like a civilized and intelligent human,” madam, what makes you think when I address the posts of ardent Obamaphiles blind in their willful ignorance and dedicated to the proposition that it is mortal sin to oppose or even to question their Messiah as Barry pursues the rape and pillage of these United States that I am confronting any sort of “civilized and intelligent human” of any kind?

Not a Mencken fan, liz? Never heard the expression “stirring up the animals?”

The validity of my arguments is pikestaff-plain. You have not read a single “birther” disclaim it, condemn it, or even admonish me for the content of my posts, have you? The only creatures who object to what I write and how I write it are the partisans of our Mombasa Messiah, and if you're not yet unaware of the vanishingly small regard in which I hold what we'll call – for the sake of charity – their “opinions,” then I suggest that you re-read my stuff.


Newspapers were equally loud in their denunciations. “These 'sputterings' of the Free Lance,” complained the Towson Union News, “show an absolute ignorance of the laws of God and man (and grammar), and utter disregard of morality and decency.” The influential Suffrage News maintained that Mencken was “debauched,” while others reacted negatively to the “flippant, reckless, and even Smart Aleck manner” in which he wrote.

All of these reactions wre encouraged by the editor of the Letters column – unbeknown to many, Mencken himself – who urged correspondents not to apologize for their views: “This is a place for frank discussion, not for the exchange of polite nothings.” Eventually, “Letters from Our Readers” grew to such a volume that Mencken was obliged to move to a new office and call in a carpenter to build cabinets to accommodate his files, bulging with invective. “What are you doing, Harry?” his mother finally asked. “I'm stirring up the animals,” Mencken gleefully replied.

– Marion Elizabeth Rodgers, Mencken: The American Iconoclast (2005)


elsbeth
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:04 am

“You have not read a single “birther” disclaim it, condemn it, or even admonish me for the content of my posts, have you? “

What a low and poor standard to hold yourself to, Tuci. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

At least your entertaining. Enlightening, no. Entertaining, yes.

I must say that the above is by far the most intelligent thing I have read from you. Well done.

The challenge was for 24 hours. Keep up the great work. Perhaps challenge yourself even more!

Best wishes,
Elsbeth


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:18 am

Jeez, what is with the “HAHAHA” hysterical laughter creepiness among these Obamaphile dorks and dorkettes?

Sorry, liz. I kinda mistook you for a human being, didn't I? I'll try to keep your true character in mind henceforth.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:36 am

What Obama is hiding is that he was born a dual-citizen at best & his Kenyan father was biracial(part Arab which is caucazoid). The age of majority in the U.S. in 1961 was 21yr & his mother had to be at least 19 to grant natural-born status(she was 18). Too bad he gave up any U.S. citizenship when he was adopted by his flakey mother's 2nd husband & became Indonesian Barry Soetoro. Grandma & Grandpa Dunham in Hawaii were eventually saddled with the little reject and made lemonade. Then he apparently attended three colleges in the U.S as a foreign student or do you think he is just hiding poor grades. Don't you wonder who payed for his college? They were not the kind of schools most people can afford.


eddes
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:18 am

A more interesting poll is this: if you take 2400 obamaniacs, how many of these would still want their obama to be pdt after it is discovered that he was born in Kenya? (which we will find out soon , he still hides, kenyan probability going up…)
This shows you the ravages of the obamaniac liberal extremism in America, ready to forget about our constitution to save the messiah….


freedom
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:54 am

Maybe there is a majority of SOUTHERN WHITES that believe his ineligibility. It would only be because THEY are the ONLY ones left with ANY balls, to stand up for America, and support their family members that lost their lives, fighting for its freedom


Matthew Taylor
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:07 am

More likely because most republican southern whites are too busy screwing their sisters/cousins/mothers/aunts/grandmothers to actually be educated on reality.

I mean does anything actually explain GW Bush as well as inbreeding?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:15 am

They certainly have a well-justified lack of trust in the malpractitionate government imposed upon this nation out of Washington City.

Dunno about their “balls,” but it looks as if their sense of smell – as in something absolutely reeking about Barry Soetoro – seems to be working perfectly.


EyeCeeUs
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:42 am

Reports do show he applied for financial aid as a foreign student, this was made by Fox News
after about 1 day was removed


LaLee
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:58 am

You said: “A more interesting poll is this: if you take 2400 obamaniacs, how many of these would still want their obama to be pdt after it is discovered that he was born in Kenya?”

Ed, even if Obama is born ON THE MOON and his father is half Martian he would still be NBC because his mother is NBC.

If you disagree then can you please show me ANY PART of the Constitution that someone has to have both parents to be NBC and born on US soil so he/she can be considered to be NBC as well?


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Kevin
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:45 am

For the record, the following Obama records remain under lock and key, more than two years into public demands for Obama “transparency”… and Obama has spent a reported $1 Million in legal fees to keep them SEALED!

* Obama’s official birth records -SEALED
* His Occidental College records -SEALED
* His Columbia College records -SEALED
* His Harvard College records -SEALED
* His College Thesis -SEALED
* His Harvard Law Review articles -SEALED
* His Indonesia Adoption records -SEALED
* His Passport file -SEALED
* His connection to countless foreign and domestic thugs -SEALED


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evreport
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 12:36 pm

Glad to hear it was removed. It's a lie.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

the funny things about your low iq “folks” from the south is that you really don’t know stupid you are. You think you have some level of intelligence only because in you compare to your even lower iq friends.

Here is one big fact – there are well over 100x more inventions, more companies that deliver value, more intellectual people than in the south. There are easily 100x more high technology companies outside of the SOUTH. Maybe you can tell us why your southern low iq FOLKS can’t deliver anything of value to America. You slackers have been riding our coattails for too long – it will stop soon – junior !!!


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neilends
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

Obama's “official birth records” have been released to the public. His campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii and everything the state gave them, they published.

His college transcripts are sealed, just as many past presidents' college transcripts have remained sealed.

His Harvard Law Review articles are not sealed. You can go read them today if you wanted to.


Tony
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

Hey you whackjobs, has it occurred to you that all your own confidential education and private records files are SEALED too? Look, we get it that you are freaking out because the rest of the country elected a black President and you can't handle that. We get it that you are primarily a bunch of Southern bigots who hate all non-white people. But this country is moving on from the old bigoted past you are clinging to. So either get over it, or leave and go form your own weird little inbred kingdom for white bigoted whackos on some island somewhere.


Jim Gilder
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Well, it looks Arnold “The Terminator” Scwharzenegger is gonna have a chance at becoming president of the USA after all………


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

Er, not unless I spend, like – oh, let's see… – upwards of a million bucks to keep people all over the country from getting court orders to dig out those “confidential education and private records files.”

What you Obamaphiles don't seem to understand when you're dealing with somebody in the sawbones racket is that we're taught that with the exception of individual patient confidentiality, our academic and professional lives are an absolutely open book. They teach that to us in Medical Jurisprudence second year.

“Write your notes and your orders as if the whole world was looking over your shoulder,” the instructors used to tell us. Nobody in the medical profession gets to “seal” away potentially awkward or embarrassing stuff the way Barry Soetoro has.

Once a person comes so gaudily into the public sphere – and you gotta admit that Barry Soetoro has lusted for the big chair behind the Resolute desk all his little life, so he's as “public” a “servant” as you can get – the concept of what can and cannot be kept “private” narrows to the point at which you've got to be prepared to take a press conference on your colonoscopy and what the biopsy results showed.

It's not the “Southern bigots” that are worrying you, Tony. It's blue-collar guys who observe:

“I gotta show MY friggin' birth certificate – for real, not even a photocopy – when I go down to the DMV to get my license renewed. What the fuck is that slimy sonofabitch hiding, anyway?”


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[...] out all of the non-white people polled in the south, the Washington Independent’s Dan Weigel concludes that 75% of the white population in the south believe, or isn’t sure, that Obama is a natural born American. [...]


Frankie
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

It's very simple folks. United We Stand, Divided We Fall The white race is divided and we are falling! We have a great president and all we can see is “BLACK” And now all I hear is “You're a “N” lover when I ask other whites to try and go beyond the race card. We don't understand the concept of unconditional love! Not even within our own race. We're too busy searching for “white” areas to buy homes and private schools to segregate our children. We are destroying ourselves!


istj04
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

This is pathetically ridiculous! No president has ever been held to this standard of “where was he born” as Obama has! No one ever asked to see Clinton's or Bush's birth certificates! No one even questioned the fact that McCain was born OUTSIDE the U.S. (in the Panama Canal Zone!), and he is still a U.S. citizen! Yet, these ignorant rednecks in a part of the country (that should have remained expelled from the U.S. after the Civil War!), can't handle that a different colored man, from a non-continental U.S. state, made it to the White House! Why DO we have to share a country with these morons?


istj04
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

And how exactly does one “seal” a college transcript, when they are ALREADY PROTECTED by the Educational records privacy act written in the 1970's? No one can get a look at MY college transcript unless I give written authorization for it! Period! THAT is all the “SEAL” a person needs to have for ANY school record! Additionally, if Obama has a Driver License from ANY state, then it means he HAD TO SHOW a certified birth certificate to get that driver license, and the SAME FOR A PASSPORT!


steveknepper
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

istj04

So I guess its ok to be a racist as long as the people you dont like are REDNECKS,
Get your facts staright..Oh you probably cant since your a worthless brother and i do mean WORTHLESS.

Congress did an Eligabilty check on Mccain and did you know ( I assume not ) That Where Mccain was born is US Territory? Yet They REFUSED to do one on OBAMA..They are afraid what they find with this INFIDEL.

I agree with you 100 percent about why do I have to share my country with Worthless Brothers like yourself


euphgeek
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

Suppose you show us any law that says that any president has to provide a birth certificate to the general public. After that, you can show us the birth certificates of every other president.

And it's still interesting that you believe Obama ever went by the name Barry Soetoro based solely on an image on the internet while you criticize others for the exact same thing.


vassiewb
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

There are just too many people who don't know what racism is, but who do not hesitate to speak on the issue. Most seem to think racism is equivalent to not “liking” someone, or that those who disagree with them about racism are indeed racists themselves! Get a clue! Racism = prejudice plust power–not dislike or name calling!


brianalan
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Tuci, you're a raving madman. I know you think you're intelligent, but you're raving. Off the deep end, hair on fire, bouncing off the walls insane.


mike
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

His mother was an underage whore, the sperm doner was maybe a Kenyan, we arn’t really sure who the doner was.

Barry is at best a naturalized citizen (if born in Hawaii) but most likely an illegal allien (if born in Kenya)

Congrats America we have our first son of a whore non-natural citizen as a usurper.

Yes we can!


workingclasslib
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

As a White person from the North East and living in the south I find this poll upsetting but not surprising. There remains a very deep vein of racism and distrust of minorities in this part of the country and this poll, as well as the ignorant hateful comments here on this page, are both indicative of the truth and those who deny their own racism are fooling themselves.


southernlight
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

“White Southern men simply believe they are superior to their northern countrymen. Northerners contradict that belief, believing that Southern Whites continue to exhibit gross moral failings in the form of remnant racialist mentalities. Honorable to a fault, The Southern White Male is offended by this evidence of the northerner's lack of understanding, loathing yet to confront such ignorance.”
from White Masculinity in the Recent South, by Trent Watts (LSU Press)

The Southern White believes that Obama is inferior, until he shows them otherwise. They would have believed the same thing about George Bush, until he made that carrier landing, after dunk-training in the White House pool. The White Southern Male reacted to W's “stunt” with unbridled admiration. If I might invoke an old Cavalry term here, I would say that Bush “showed us his spurs.”

Up to now, “Obama ain't showed us he's got any”. He shows no university transcripts…etc., etc., etc.

Watts lives in Missouri, where they “got to be showed.” He goes on to describe the White Southerner as
Pragmatic
Hard-working
Patriotic
Good-humored

That last one is exactly what I don't see among these posts by you Northerners.


cognito
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

This is more right wing loser fear mongering. Birthers cannot accept that they are the minority in America, and it hurts them.

The Birthers “know” that they are the true Americans and everyone else are socialist anti-Christians who will destroy a country that only existed in their minds. Resorting to name calling, lying, and hating are their only tools. The truth is their enemy.


DCinDC
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Somebody should do an actual poll to see how many southern whites really believe Obama is not an American.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

“Barry Soetoro?”

“Here, teacher!”

“Please come to the front of the class and explain how the Prophet has commanded all the faithful to submit the infidels to the will of Allah and establish the Caliphate throughout His world.”

“Yes, teacher. But first, I’ll tell you how I’m going to do it. I’m going to be President when I grow up.”

“Here in Indonesia?”

“Well… Maybe. But I’m gonna be President somewhere!


southernlight
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

I tend to believe the poll is correct, though I was surprised that the numbers were no higher than 70%.

Somebody should do a poll to find out how many Americans associate Barry Boy with Kenyan witchcraft, or the mystical practices of Hawaiian Huna – or at least, neuro-linguistic programming. Whether my suggestion may offend you, reality cannot be ignored. I believe the numbers might surprise you more than the numbers from this poll do.


jillball
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Sad


babs056
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Some of you may be unaware but the constitution states the the President of the United States must be born here or did you all just skip that little bit off information. It doesn't matter if his mother is a citizen or not. If he was not born in the states or on any soil that we deem part of the United States then he is not a natural citizen and therefore cannot legally run for the Presidency. That is why knowing exactly where he was born is such a big issue. It is not an issue of whether his black or white that is the problem well maybe for some but for those who are following the letter of the law, it is a matter of where he was born. I hope this helps because some of you are talking as if this a racial issue and it is not. This is something that was put into effect by the founding fathers so that only a natural citizen of this country could become the President.


kitm
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

I have just spent time reading what is written here and I am sick at heart. The hatred, spewing, vicious attacks and words used on people they never knew, never heard of, such as our President's mother is unbelievable. I travel a great deal in many countries and now, for the first time in my life, am horrified that people in other areas can read this sort of unbelievable rantings and ravings by people who obviously don't “know” anything except what they hear from the Rush Limbaugh's of this country. He has to be laughing all the way to the bank. Please, whoever with any intelligence reads this column, don't believe we are made up of this type of person. As you can see, outside of the South, we are a mature knowledgeable population who is as horrified as the rest of the world. This man, who was born in Hawaii, is a natural born citizen. Your ranter better look at when Hawaii became a state. Why should he have to prove it to you who wouldn't believe it if you had been an attendant in the delivery room. Why don't you accept the fact. But then you probably believe the landing on the moon was on a sound stage in Hollywood. And no one in countries that were our enemies at the time didn't bother to let us know. If you were my child and had acted this way and used this language when you were in fourth grade, I would have been ashamed of you.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Exactly right babs, someone who is born in a foreign country like Hawaii does not qualify as a natural born citizen.

This is what these dumb o crats just dont get.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Thats right.

You really got wonder about someone who doesnt even have the basic decency to have been born white.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

You gotta wonder why Obama has spent $17,987,436.24 on lawyers to keep his grade school records secret!

What is he trying to hide?


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

High school monitor pass -SEALED
Boy Scout merit badge count-SEALED
Captain Marvel deconder ring-SEALED
Bong water recycling permit-SEALED
Star Trek fan club status-SEALED

What is he trying to hide?


shekly
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

wow, the last time i checked the ONLY way you can be a natural born citizen is if you are born here, not your mother or father. period. done. that is it, there is no other way.


angelahayden23
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

THE ONLY REASON I'M COMMENTING ON THIS IS TO SAY THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYBODY THINKS THAT ALL SOUTHERNERS ARE RACIEST, INBREEDING, IDIOTS. I MAY BE A REDNECK BUT I AM NOT ANY OF THOSE THINGS. AND I AM OFFENDED THAT SO MANY PEOPLE SHOULD THINK SO. I COME FROM A NORMAL CHRISTAIN FAMILY THAT WOULD NEVER THINK OF TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE IN SUCH A CLOSED MINDED MANOR.


alaskan4alaska
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Wow, and this is just the ones that can actually read and write!

McCain was born in Panama – Not an issue

Obama was born in the State of Hawaii – Conspiracy!

Yes folks! When Obama was just a week old he forged his birth certificate and made false press releases to two of his hometown newspapers. I think Elvis may have helped him though.


lynnMN
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

For all of you who think Hawaii is a different country, I'd like to know just how old are you??
Also, how far did you actually get in school?? I'm 53 and Hawaii has ALWAYS been a state of our great United States the ENTIRE TIME I WENT TO SCHOOL!!!! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! NA DOUT OF YOUR BUTT!!!!


Centipede
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

The slow but sure destruction of the GOP has begun.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

The ORIGINAL constitution stated quite clearly that both parents had to be white americans and excluded from consideration “black community organizers from Chicago may not run for President”

If you find an old school book you will see this correct and original version of the constitution.

Jimmy Carter and the Trilateral Commission had all internet copies of the constitution replaced in 1977 with the new liberal communist version that deletes this clause.

GET A CLUE COMMIE DEMOCRATS!


Centipede
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Sorry about that lynnMN. You know these folks from the south ain't to keen on book learnin'.


Bob Miller
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Guess what folks..

When somenone PROUDLY announces that his father was KENYAN and an individual recognizes that his ancestors came from Kenya.. It is not about race anymore it is about, DUAL CITIZENSHIP at BIRTH.

Because the Messiah is black.. or should I say Bi-Racial.. Everyone fails to recognize that FACT.

It is not about being born in Hi. Remember the law at the time he WAS BORN. Basically said that his MOM had to have resided/been a citizen in the US for FIVE years AFTER she reached 14 years of age. This was not the case. She DID NOT meet that requirement either. The laws in affect at that time… you actually did not reach MAJORITY until you were 21 years of age. (Old enough to die in Vietnam,m but not old enough to vote or have a legal contract.)

Making this a RACE ISSUE after the fact or even before he was elected is and was TABOO.

The article clearly makes the statement that IT WAS ABOUT RACE and the Color of his skin.
91 percent of the registered black votes voted for Obama..(Racist, color of his skin). Many more Americans voted for him because.. Hey, I want to be non-racial and I will vote for him because he is black..

Guess what folks, there is no WRITTEN RECORDS of any eligibility record on Obama being
declared eligible to run for the POTUS. It seems there no one MAY have done anytype of Security Background Check on him PRIOR ot running for State Senator. No one appears to have done any BACKGROUND CHECK on him prior to entering the Bar.. remember he was a Havard Law Graduate.

Once he became a become a candidate for State Senator.. guess what… WHO did a background check on him… FROM THE CHICAGO Daly Machine.. You see if there are ANY RECORDS as all he has them sealed.

NO ONE can dispute No can challenge him. With NO FACTS (remember he has spent almost 1 Million Dollars with 12 Law firms KEEPING all records/information on himself Sealed.

Ask yourself.. WHY the politicians on the Hill HAVE AMENDEDED one of those Bills they do not read.. declaring him a Citizen and he was born in Hi.

Remember… the 'used car salesman that sold Traps before it became illegal to sell them. the ole snake oil salesman… that travel the country… selling medicine that would cure EVERYTHING in one bottle.

My grandfather… used to say.. ” Don't Buy a Pig in a Poke… without opening the Poke FIRST.”

We have been sold a PIG IN A POKE by the DNC, rich elite Demoncrats, and a worthless MSM that FAILED to vet..Obama.. They only wanted a BLACK HARVARD LAWYER as a candidate..

So before anyone declares some Americans racist, rednecks, birthers and all kind of names because the QUESTION that has clearly demonstrated that he is RACIST. (Wright, Gates.)
Was and perhaps is a Muslim. (Bowing to the KING, and not showing any BAPTISM records.)

And ask yourself WHY he does not release his medical records.


treedom
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Too often, when I hear this racism=prejudice+power formulation, the next assertion is that only whites have power, so only whites can be racist. This has always been an absurd formulation. It is doubly absurd in the age of Obama, Powell, Rice, etc. (Who has power? Would you allow that the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world, has power?)

Our problem is that we use race as a proxy for class in this country, and that's intellectually dishonest. Wealthy whites have power, and so do wealthy nonwhites. Poor whites lack power, and so do poor nonwhites.

That said, “making it” as a black person isn't the same as “making it” as a white person — you're always black and that always can make a difference, as the Gates issue shows. But our refusal to look at class clouds our understanding of the Gates incident too, where in addition to the legacy of race relations, there was a heavy class component — a successful Ivy League professor angry that some working-class cop didn't know who he was and wasn't giving him deferential treatment.

Class=power.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

This could all be cleared up so easily commie liberal democrats!

Just prove to us that Hawaii is really a state. And I dont mean a link to some George Soros or Anneberg foundation website like Rand McNally or Google Earth.

Provide a link to a non partisan objective website like World Net Daily or Fox Nation that proves that this so called Hawaii even exists as a real place!


Bob Miller
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Hey..

The question of going to school is not an issue.

It is not an issue of Hi. being a state, or even if OBAMA was born in Kenya, Indonesia, or even on the Moon.

I am 59. and I have had both Secret and Top Secret Security Clearances during my limited time in the Military.

I have 'learned' that infromation is POWER, that FACTS and accurate complete data can change the world.

My question is and will always be.. Where are the Facts on Obama.

Try to find the divorce papeers on Obama SR., and his Indonesian step-father (Sorento). Try to find his Selective Service Registeration Paperwork with a correct form and date for when he would have been required to signup.

Use your education, and try to investigate the LIFE of Obama… prior to leaving Harvard.

And remember all the paperwork, security paperwork that should have been filled out using both Obama and Sorento.. (Anyone read criminal action of not reporting an alias on schollarshiprs, licenses, entrance paperwork and etc.)


Adam
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

I like how this article uses one survey, then combines a lot of ifs, whens, and other speculation with other surveys with unknown error margins to say 70% of white southerners think Obama is foreign born… Maybe if the survey reports were in hand and they were gone through pulling out the white surveys and then counting the number of non believers I could believe this story, but this thought process is garbage.


mikerose
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

Bob Miller:

re: “Remember the law at the time he WAS BORN. Basically said that his MOM had to have resided/been a citizen in the US for FIVE years AFTER she reached 14 years of age.”

Wrong. That was the law only of the child was born *ON FOREIGN SOIL* to parents, one of whom was not a citizen. The news may not have reached you yet, but Hawaii was not only not foreign soil, it was already the 50th state when Obama was born there.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Well said. And thanks for all the source material. I can use this for reference.

I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT OBAMA IS NOT AMERICAN BECAUSE WHEN I TYPE THE WORDS THEY COME UP ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN. THAT MAKES IT OFFICIAL!


Adam
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Racism gets fixed with beer. That is what the president taught me this week.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

sorry buddy, but your wrong.

New information has come to light from the very reliable and credible World Net Daily that Obamas mother was not even present at his birth!


Adam
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

They tried that 150 years ago… the enlightened northerners wouldn't let them.. so shut your yap.


Glen Jules
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Speaking of people who can't read . . . According to this poll only 23% believed he was born somewhere else. Thirty percent said they didn't know where he was born, not knowing specifically where someone was born doesn't mean you think they aren't American. Not to mention the fact that only 2400 people out of over 99 mil were polled!!! That's hardly a fair and true representation of anything! I am white and I was born and raised in the South. My house isn't on wheels and my car isn't on blocks and I still have most of my teeth! I not only knew where he was born I voted for Obama and most of my southern white friends did too!


Glen Jules
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

Wow, with a comment like that no wonder people think us southern whites are idiots! “Obamas mother was not even present at his birth”, where the hell was she and how did she manage that!


Name
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

I believe, Glen Jules, that you need to re-calibrate your sarcasm detector.


Name
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

Florida Christian: Don't you mean, “Demoncrats?” Re-check your source material above.

Oh those rich, elite Demoncrats. How infuriating they are.


mikerose
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

re: Not to mention the fact that only 2400 people out of over 99 mil were polled!!! That's hardly a fair and true representation of anything!”

Suppose you are shown a opaque jar and told there are 99 million marbles in the jar and asked to provide a reasonable determination (perhaps within 2-3% of the actual number) of the distribution of marbles which are black and the number which are white. The jar has been thoroughly mixed and, eyes closed you slowly draw out 2400 of those marbles to discover that you have drawn out 1500 black marbles and 900 white marbles. That means that, among the marbles you have drawn 5/8 (67.5%) were black and 3/8 (37.5%) were white.

Do you really insist we count all 99 million to show the actual distribution of marbles in the jar was close to that? Common sense (and the laws of probability) say it isn't necessary. We're close (within that 2%-3% window) 95% of the time when we pick those marbles RANDOMLY from the total in the jar.

That “random” is important. Polling all your friends may give you a perfect idea of where they stand on an issue but that group is not randomly selected and the results are not valid when applied to any larger group any more than polling just the folks whose homes *do* have wheels and whose cars *are* up on cinder blocks would give a result that would be the same as the poll of just your friends.


mikerose
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

hey, FC, I'm on your side….. who you gonna trust? some lib'rul, limp-wristed commie comedian turned (un-vetted) senator or the good folks at WND.

By the way, did you notice that if Joseph Farah were outed as the ruler of an asian empire, he'd be known as Joseph Farah Khan? That's Joseph as in Josef Stalin, Kahn as in the ruler of an area that is clearly communist and Farah Khan as in the name of a black Muslim. If that doesn't prove that WND has been taken over by a Black Muslim Communist from China, I don't know what does….


Andrew
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

Post a comment on youtube so stupid that people will know you are kidding. (Note: this is impossible.)

I tried commenting a German video. I said “wtf why can't I understand them?”

Shortly afterwards, I got called a “fucken idiot” and lost just a little bit more faith in humanity.


JohnC
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

It is not about being born in Hi. Remember the law at the time he WAS BORN. Basically said that his MOM had to have resided/been a citizen in the US for FIVE years AFTER she reached 14 years of age. This was not the case. She DID NOT meet that requirement either. The laws in affect at that time… you actually did not reach MAJORITY until you were 21 years of age. (Old enough to die in Vietnam,m but not old enough to vote or have a legal contract.)

You correctly cite the provisions of the law. However, the law you are citing applies to persons not born in the United States. For persons born in the United States, the fact of their citizenship is controlled by the Fourteenth Amendment, not federal statute. Since Obama was born in the State of Hawaii, all you need to know it is settled law that the Fourteenth Amendment confers citizenship on all persons born on U.S. soil with two minor exceptions (1) persons born in the United States due to the stationing of their foreign diplomat parents; and (2) persons born to nationals of hostile powers which are occupying the part of the United States in which the person is born. None of those exceptions apply to Obama, so he is a U.S. citizen by virtue of his birth on American soil, and is thus a natural born citizen.


JohnC
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

What possible import do the divorce papers of either Obama's father or step-father have?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

What “white race,” doofus? The most amelanotic of European stock is a melange of genetic strains, commingled through intermarriage, raping, and a whole lot of sneakin' around. Jeez, look at Barry Soetoro, who's about as “authentically black” as Pat Boone.

He just wears white shirts with the sleeves half-rolled up all the time to emphasize his man-tan. Friggin' poseur. If his alleged daddy had been named “Sven Johanssen,” chances are he'd be living in Hawaii right now, working as a furniture salesman (like his maternal grandfather), and dreaming of a job as glamorous as that of Joe the Plumber.

The dividing line ain't “black” against “white.” It's “government as Santa Claus” and “Keep your fucking hands off, bureaucrat!”

Just the way it's always been.


JohnC
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

Your complete lack of civility and respect and your total lack of legal competency speaks for itself. Fortunately for you, but unfortunately for the rest of us, our nation no longer requires literacy tests in order to vote.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

Well, all you bugnuts Obamaphiles go on (and on, and on) about how exceptional your Mombasa Messiah is. What d'you expect? Your shifty bastard of a Fraudulence-in-Chief has “sealed” every part of his past history that he can get under wraps, refuses to cough up even a computer print-on-paper, signed and sealed state of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (we've go computer graphic images instead, which some anonymous flunky in the Obama campaign headquarters allegedly scanned from such a document which – if it ever existed – nobody outside the ranks of your Messiah's faithful has ever been allowed to see or touch or examine), spent his early childhood in Indonesia (where he got his name changed to Barry Soetoro and has not yet had it legally changed back to “Barack Hussein Obama II” insofar as anybody has been able to determine), and he's spent all his adult life consorting with known felons, operating in the Cook County political machine, and playing “poverty pimp” (aka “community organizer”) for ACORN, which looks to be an even bigger criminal conspiracy than the Republican Party.

Well, to paraphrase Peter Parker's Uncle Ben, “Being exceptional subjects you to exceptional expectations.”

Fuck it. Where's the birth certificate, you asshole?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

Er, that guy whose post you're replying to? I think his last name is “knepper.”

Couldja kinda try to get all your shit in the proper sack, brian?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

I have just spent time reading your post and I am sick to my stomach. The whining, the whimpering, the hypocrisy, the “political correctness,” the demand that your third-generation “red diaper baby” socialist Alinsky “poverty pimp” of a conniving Chicago political machine operative be treated as sacrosanct because using any other king of language hurts your itty-bitty feelings….

Aw. Now I want you to listen to the world's first nanotechnology violin, playing “Hearts and Flowers” just for you….


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Nah. Barry Soetoro was born in the Coast Provincial General Hospital in lovely, exotic, downtown Mombasa. Wanna see the plaque they put up in the Maternity Ward?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

Hey, your lips to God's ear. The folded into the National Socialist (is anybody still calling them “Democrat” any more?) Party back in the early '70s.

Might as well pronounce the corpse. Jeez, it's already starting to rot from the head, isn't it?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

Nah. Those of us in the productive sector of society have been in “the minority” since the National Socialist Party (usta call themselves “Democrat,” but now. why bother?) started ballooning their constituency of “vote-for-a-living” entitlement cases back in the '60s.

We're used to it.

But, hey, remember! We're the “bitter,” “clinging” guys who've not only got the great majority of the guns, but we're good with them (none of this “spray and pray” gang-banger stuff). And a bolt-action .30 'ought-six rifle's projectile goes through a “Federal Security Service officer's” ballistic vest (which is designed for stopping pistol bullets) like he wasn't wearing anything at all.

Were ya “cognizant” of that, cognito? Betcha weren't!


elsbeth
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

I personally don't think that all of us are stating that all Southerners are ignorant and/or racist.

When I bring race into the issue it is because I think that some (not all) of the motives behind the birfer movement have to do with race.

This poll is poorly done. It is not a reflection of all southerners. It simply states that the majority of birfers reside in the south.

Some may want to take the info and infer that this means all Southerners are ignorant racists, but I don't think that the majority of people feel that way.


brucepmajors
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

Unfortunately David you and the Odumba sheeple at KOS have never addressed any of the salient questions. Why are Obamanoids spending $900,000 to hide his transcripts and all other records.

Here are the issues you peeps must address:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPxi9ispU9w

Guy from Kenya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SebxDwji__I

Royal truth? Just show the damn thing if he has it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbed9snwjBM

Return to the continent of his birth?
http://www.modernghana.com/news/226379/1/histor…

This site compares real to his:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…

More on it being fake:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/…

Document expert:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Hawaii changing the law?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Going to destroy the original?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

So which hospital was it Obama?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Twins born on same day:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…
14 hours ago


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:03 am

Uh, how about “because 'Liberals' are flaming racists themselves,” angie?

And try turning off your “Caps Lock” button, okay? Doing all caps is taken to mean that you're SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS, and it's unbecoming.


brucepmajors
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Another superior article:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/07/oba…


Miller51550
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:34 am

If the copies on the internet are 'valid'. You have a clear case of Fraud throughout the
Messiah's life.

First the Obama Sr. divorce papers.. prove that Sr.. was the father of Obama.

Second if those for Sorento are valid… IT SHOWS that the messiah was ADOPTED and given the name Sorento.

Meaning that unless he listed Sorento as a Alias.. he has falsfied official documents… through out his life… and is a criminal defrauding the United States.

You see why the Birth Certificate is unimportant. No one wants to touch the alias of Sorento.. because then he would have to be jailed.

Just a thought for consideration.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:36 am

“Okay. The COLB apparently existed in June 2008. So where is it? Why hasn't Barry Soetoro put it into the hands of competent and impartial qualified forensic documents examiners to get a res judicata resolution to this bloody mess into which he's gotten himself?” –test-taker Tuci

Keep asking those questions, doofus.

Ask them loudly and often. In public, in view of people with cell phones that can record video.

Don't stop there. Let your suspicions guide your steps all the way to the Senate marble floor. Implore your hated government oppressors to set aside their undying fealty to their socialist usurping Kenyan dragon and look with pity upon you, an accursed crusty old Freeper whose grandchildren recoil from his hairy knuckles.

Beg them to throw up the shade and let the light in upon this dark Negroid Luo Arab Caucasian Pacific Islander Democrat Republican Kenyan British Socialist Marxist Nazi Lenin Boot On Your Neck conspiracy.

Appeal to their long lost sense of respect for the dignity of the proletariat and the hard working small business proletariat that pay too goddamn many taxes already.

Beg them to cast aside their reverence for Barry Soetero and follow you. For yours is truly the preferable course. We can all see that.

Sadly, we are all too dependent on government to bring us tariff-free Pay Per View Ultimate Fighting to rise up against our government overlords.

Sucks though. You have a very persuasive argument.


Miller51550
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:40 am

It is not a question of being a citizen. I could care less about the citizenship issue.

Unfortunately… there appears to be NOTHING in any legal briefs that determines what a NATURALIZED CITIZEN IS.

That is the loop hole that Obama has used. Remember he was an alleged Professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago with goals of one day being governor, which quickly changed once the DEMONCRATS elected him to be the next POTUS.

That is why the birthers will never win.. NO DOCUMENTATION to provide facts in any of their cases.


mantis
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:51 am

Oh, and also: Wolverines!!!1!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Yeah, only 23%.

Well, the rest of you clowns will learn better, won'tcha?

1972: “Four more years! Four more years!”

1973: “Give him ten to twenty! Give him ten to twenty!”


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Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 1:43 am

Top-posting without pulling the full comment as a quote again, stevie. Tsk. Bad manners.

But wotthehell. Gotta keep low expectations wherever you're concerned, right?

Let's see… Nummina, nummina, nummina, thinly veiled threats, whining – ooh, the little socialist found a way to squeeze “the proletariat” in there! How nice.

Anything worth reading or commenting upon? Nah.

Interested readers are referred to: http://www.pulpless.com/free30/Alongside_Night_… for the free PDF download. Decent writing, easy lesson in economics, and if you liked Heinlein's books for Scribners, you'll like this.

Get it fast. I don't know how long Schulman's going to keep the free offer up.

You want a picture of what Barry Soetoro and his bitch, little stevie, have prepared for you? Go Alongside Night.


jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 2:04 am

i remind those of you making fun of southern people that without no.carloina, virginia, and florida, plus a few other 'flyover' states where lots of people live in trailer parks, obama doesn't win. he may not carry them the next time, hell, at the rate hes going he may not carry new york.


JohnC
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Sure. Andrew McCarthy: expert on Indonesian law and Hawaiian divorce proceedings.


JohnC
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 2:45 am

First the Obama Sr. divorce papers.. prove that Sr.. was the father of Obama.

You mean Barack Obama I was actually the father of Barack Obama II? Or are you suggesting that we may find out that Obama Sr. wasn't Obama Jrs. father? You'll have to excuse me if I'm not up on the latest conspiracy theories.

Second if those for Sorento are valid… IT SHOWS that the messiah was ADOPTED and given the name Sorento.

So, the truth is that Obama actually shares his name with a Kia SUV? Oh, the humanity!

Meaning that unless he listed Sorento as a Alias.. he has falsfied official documents… through out his life… and is a criminal defrauding the United States.

Well, if you're so interested in finding official documents, why not search Indonesian records for an official document showing that Obama's name was officially changed to Soetero (or whatever your made-up prank name is, I forget)?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 2:51 am

Might could be that Barry's biological father's real name was “Davis.” Or even “Little.” Stanley Ann Dunham slept around a lot, both before and after she grunted out her firstborn.

And if his name got legally changed to Barry Soetoro when he was adopted in Indonesia by his step-dad, Lolo Soetoro (which appears to have been the case) and he didn't take legal action in these United States to get it changed back to “Barack Hussein Obama II,” then, yeah, it looks as if he name really is Barry Soetoro.

I only started using that proper name of his 'cause it pissed off the Obamaphiles. It was only later that I leaned why it really, really pisses 'em off.


JohnC
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 2:51 am

Unfortunately… there appears to be NOTHING in any legal briefs that determines what a NATURALIZED CITIZEN IS.

I don't see your argument – there's no loophole necessary. If Obama is a natural born citizen, by definition he isn't a naturalized citizen.


JohnC
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 3:17 am

Might could be that Barry's biological father's real name was “Davis.” Or even “Little.” Stanley Ann Dunham slept around a lot, both before and after she grunted out her firstborn.

Well, if Obama's father was actually Malcolm X (as you not-so-subtly suggest), doesn't that end the citizenship controversy once and for all? And, if true, wouldn't Obama have an interest in showing his bona fides with the African American community? After all, one of his biggest struggles after moving to Chicago was being taken seriously as someone who understood the black experience – that's one reason why he joined the Trinity United Church of Christ.

And of course your theory doesn't explain how the birth announcement found in Honolulu newspapers in August 1961 mentions “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama” – information which originated from the state of Hawaii.

And if his name got legally changed to Barry Soetoro when he was adopted in Indonesia by his step-dad, Lolo Soetoro (which appears to have been the case) and he didn't take legal action in these United States to get it changed back to “Barack Hussein Obama II,” then, yeah, it looks as if he name really is Barry Soetoro.

I don't know the first thing about Indonesian or Hawaiian adoption law, so I won't expound on it, but I find it odd to think that a child born with a particular name would have great difficulty being recognized by that name in the state where that name was given to him. I hear a lot of assertions, but not a single hard law that specifies how American laws regard a name change in a foreign country that is later rejected by that individual. If you know of some laws to that extent, I'd like to read them.

I only started using that proper name of his 'cause it pissed off the Obamaphiles. It was only later that I leaned why it really, really pisses 'em off.

Well, my objective is the truth. If your aim is simply to piss people off, well that's your choice.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Not just Little, but Davis as well. But we could forget about Barry's “exotic” cachet. And coming up before the electorate as the bastard son of Malcolm X…

Well, I wouldn't much care about it. It's his maternal family's influence (and that of their circle of socialist sputniki) which raises my hackles about Barry. The child is not the father, Marlon Brando's dialogue in the Superman movies and other works of fiction like Dreams From notwithstanding.

But the majority of the brain-dead Caucasian population (and who else does one rely upon to vote but the brain-dead, “smart enough to find the polling place, but too stupid to realize that they're never given any real choice”?) would put a picture of Malcolm X up in their private excuse for a mind's eye next to the photograph of Barry Soetoro, stand there in the voting booth, and go:

“Oh, shit. Even McCain looks good next to that guy!”

And I've heard of why Michelle dragged her husband into the congregation at TUCC. He really did need to find some way to culturally immerse himself in the American black ways of thinking and speaking and acting. In Hawaii, even though he'd tried to embrace his negritude and blown dope with what passes for a low-life crowd among the preppies at the Punahau School, he really had no idea how a self-respecting “pillar of the community” black American man was supposed to behave.

In the words of Weird Al, Barry was really raised kinda “Whiter than sour cream.”

For more on the Indonesian side of Barry's life, a massive (and I'm not speaking for its reliability, but it's referenced like a sumbitch) is Fredrick's The Obama Timeline. Go to http://www.colony14.net/id41.html and use your Web browser's “Edit”/”Find” function to search the first instantiations of “Indonesia,” which ought to guide you to the sections in which you might be interested. Note down the references you'd like to check out, because the links are on a subsidiary page on that Web site.

As for my aim, it's simply finding out EVERYTHING about Barry Soetoro. Just EVERYTHING. All that stuff he knows will make him look like the proverbial cockroach in America's enchilada, all that “sealed” and hidden and “There's nothing there!” and “No, no, you can't make me!” stuff that'll chop him off at the nutsac (just speaking figuratively, stevie!) and leave him bleeding on the pavement.

Pissing off the Obamaphiles is merely incidental fun, like stopping at HoJo on the long drive down to visit the in-laws.


singe
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 9:28 am

Instead of “old times there are not forgotten” it should be “reality there is always forgotten”.

Could we rethink the secession question and let these bastions of bozos form their own nation? As a New Yorker I am tired of sending my Federal tax dollars down there to help keep these folks in chewing tobacco and if I will need a passport to visit some God forsaken place like Mobile I can live with that.


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Anonymous
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

Well, first, I am 51 and have worked since I was 14, so I too am in the productive class. I would guess a little more than you, but I may be wrong.

Second, You go right to the threat of killing those who disagree with you. And if I read it right, you make a not so veiled threat to shoot the President, or some other Federal officer. I am betting the President.

You are bitter, I get that from your post and you do seem to cling to your guns. Too bad the tide has turned and you are the minority also. Maybe we can find a nice compound for you to live in that gives you all the “Freedom” you seem to be missing in your life.


southern snowbird
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:26 pm

what this article fails to mention is that a very large majority of people now living in the south are displaced Northerners who came here seeking a better environment life. Kind of hard to disparage the residents of a region when people are so mobile today… this article is pure race ad class bating.. shame on you.


jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:35 pm

i would never have guessed you are a new yorker.


jwgealt
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:54 pm

Oh follower of Jesus from the swampland. I am almost sure that all of your statements on here are just dripping with sarcasm and irony, and even if you are a republican you are just playing a part on this message board for the entertainment of enlightened readers such as myself. But, then, I can't be absolutely sure; maybe there are people as idiotic, and as sure of themselves and their reliable news sources as you are acting like on this board.


Robert_Fowler
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

Well , I also doubt Obama citizenship and I'm not from South :D ….


euphgeek
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Hmm…the old “Obama is a Muslim” meme. Yet another thing you have no proof of. I see you ran away from my request for you to show me any law that says any president has to provide a birth certificate to the general public.

And I still find it interesting that you believe Obama ever went by the name “Barry Soetoro” based solely on an image on the internet.


keithhh
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

hahahahaha
This is hilarious I think I detect some sarcasm here Bobby(Kennedy,Communist?)

oh wait…..

your……not joking?

I would like to refute your argument in a point/counterpoint style but I realized that you dont actually have any points

However I will try to shed some light into your cave…

First you need to try to actually read the part of the constitution that deals with persons being eligible for the office of president. you will find it below (Article II,clause 5)

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States”

Where does it say anything about the presidents mother and father? no seriously Bob tell me where it says it or are you going to say that Obama erased a part of the constitution?

Now let me ask you a question about this quote

So before anyone declares some Americans racist, rednecks, birthers and all kind of names because the QUESTION that has clearly demonstrated that he is RACIST. (Wright, Gates.)
Was and perhaps is a Muslim. (Bowing to the KING, and not showing any BAPTISM records.)

Are you saying that you question Obamas eligibilty because he is a racist or a possible muslim?(which really who cares god isnt real anyway)

I do however have a very good answer for your last question and its one that I thought was fairly obvious
He is part of a race alien lizard people who control the world through manipulation of left wing jewish media.


keithhh
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

DAMN IT WAS NOT THE TRILATERAL COMMISION WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE GET IT

ITS THE BILDERBERG GROUP


keithhh
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

Are you really a retarded asshole or is this just an act?


keithhh
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Yes I want to see the plaque


keithhh
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

Tuci Tuci Tuci

How is it racism?
For the most part being as dumb as a box of rocks has nothing to do with race


keithhh
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

That ,Miller51550, is about as far from thought as you can get


jerseybounce
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

We still haven't seen George W. Bush's certificate of honorable discharge from the Texas Air National Guard, whether it's a DD-214 or an ANG-22.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

May I then suggest that you go to Hotline.com and begin the process of booking your trip to Mombasa?

If you like, I can do it for you. Please post in your response to this message your full name as it appears on your credit card (Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express are accepted, as well as your bank debit card), the full and correct number of your card account, the month and date of the card’s expiration, and the three-digit security code on the back where you made your “X” when you’d received the card.

I’ll also need your mailing address for the tickets and other materials to be sent to your home or to the room in which you are presently being held for your safety.

I’ll get right on it for you.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

Exceptional partiality to any racial group (or against any particular racially-defined group, such as “southern whites”) is by definition “racism.”

Such racism is an intrinsic failing of “Liberals” and their kin, particularly the transnational progressive (or “Tranzi”) types.

And I agree with your observation that “being as dumb as a box of rocks has nothing to do with race.”

So how did “being as dumb as a box of rocks” happen in your case, keith?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

Tsk. The exercise of one’s right of self-defense (the use of lethal force in retaliation against violent aggression) is a necessary concomitant of one’s rights to life, to liberty, and to property. If the individual does not have such a right to self-defense (and, by extension, to the voluntary defense of other individuals’ same rights), then the moral force of those individual rights is insupportable.

And that makes life in the company of other human beings – each presumed to be a competent moral agent and therefore to be held to minimum standards of moral conduct (in other words “Keep your fucking hands off!”) – impossible.

No human rights, no society.

So “killing those who disagree with you” – the practice of “Liberals,” fascists, progressives, theocrats, socialists, and other authoritarians – is not part of the proper moral conduct of a constitutionalist, what might be called a “classic liberal,” or even the kind of neighbor alongside whom you can live in peace.

On the other hand, a neighbor ready and willing to come and to kill somebody violently raping your wife is precisely the kind of person you, yourself, ought to be grateful to have. Not so?

As for shooting to death by musketry a “Federal Security Service officer” in the pursuit of the aggressive violation of the private citizen’s rights….

Er, cognito, just what the fuck d’you think was going on at Lexington and Concord in 1775?

This nation – as a distinct and exceptional political entity – got it’s start by shooting officers of what had been considered their lawful government. It’s why we refer to the events of that time as a “Revolution.”

Firearms are merely a species of tools that can, if properly used, function as “force multipliers” in the exercise of the individual human being’s always-legitimate right to use deadly force in the defense of his rights.

Does understanding of this “seem to be missing in your life”?


jtkiii
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Mobile is a beautiful city. Thanks for keeping it that way by not visiting. There are lots of reasons so many of us find you so offensive, not the least of which is that you can't discuss serious issues. The New Yorker of your stripe looks at complex political and social issues and sees only assorted groups of people to feel better than. I don't know why you do that unless your own intellect is as inferior as your graciousness and charm. By the way, I'm an 8th generation Georgian, a 5th generation Democrat and voted for Obama. I'll take decent people who disagree with me over politics over a snide, smart-allecky specimen like you any day of the week and twice on Sundays.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

Well, all praise to Allah, the merciful, the compassionate, but was not little Barry Soetoro taught the ways of the faithful, to heed the call to prayer, and to submit himself, in body and soul, to the service of the One, according to the laws of the Prophet?

And what are the laws of the infidel compared to the path to the water source, the sacred Sharia?

Peace be with you, Nazrany dog, though you be condemned to the realm of Shaitan for all eternity, writhing and suffering in the flames.


euphgeek
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

Well you’d have to ask him directly, but as far as I know he was not raised as a Muslim nor was he taught in a Muslim school. And even if he was, so what? It’s good that the nation is open-minded enough to elect a Muslim president.


josephmaine
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

True or not, the recently presented Kenyan birth certificate to a California court for authentication has prompted pee and poo to come down the legs of all of these slanderign OBots.

Haha, you sweatin' now! How are you going to explain this one? It's a fake image online? It works both ways, people. Now you know how it feels. He's gotta release the real BC now.

David Bowie and Queen would be proud. UNDER PRESSURE


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 12:39 am

And is it not written: “The infidel shall be blind to the truth”?

Let us read from the Book of Armaments (well, from The Obama Timeline at http://www.colony14.net/id41.html anyway):

Obama practices Islam while in Indonesia, irregularly attending prayer services at the mosque. According to one of his Indonesian school principals, Tine Hahiyary, the young Obama studied ‘Mangaji’ (or ‘Mengagi’), which involves the recitation of the Quran (or Koran). Note that Mangaji, in Indonesian schools, requires learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language, not the student’s native tongue; non-Muslims or even moderate Muslims would not send their child to Mangaji classes. Mangaji is much more demanding than what is expected of a Christian child who attends ‘Sunday School.’ Obama likely was taught to read and write in Arabic, to recite from the Quran, and study the laws of Islam. (In his book, Dreams From My Father, Obama relates, ‘In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies.’) Although Obama may insist he was never a Muslim, many Indonesians wonder why Obama is hiding his Muslim past. Former classmate Emirsyah Satar (now CEO of Garuda Indonesia) states that Obama ‘…was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion.’


…And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, “O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy.” And the Lord did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu… [At this point, the friar is urged by Brother Maynard to "skip a bit, brother"] … And the Lord spake, saying, “First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceedest on to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.” Amen.


Bob
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

This is what we've been waiting for…a certified copy of Obama's original Kenyan BC:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…


Vince
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Oh yeah I'm sure 20-30 million people have moved to the South in the last 10 years!!!! Frankly if there were as many white Northerners moving to the South as you seem to think I would expect the people to come across as more reasonable and intelligent. That has not been the case so I think you are wrong.


euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 1:24 am

Yeah, good for you, you can quote a liar. Regardless of what the liar claims Obama studied, he’s still president and will likely remain so until January 20, 2017.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:00 am

And is it not written in the suras that the infidel shall eat the dung of the camel and shout “Praised be, but this is delicious!” while others look upon him and shake their heads and say: “Well, ain’t that just like a stupid geek?”


jet travis
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

Doesn't stop you from being an idiot.


euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Say what you want, but it doesn’t change anything I said one bit.

And can’t you figure out how to close your html tags?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Surely, does not the geek maunder and whine like the unpaid prostitute, of whom the Prophet had written: “She who is not worthy of her hire can bemoan her fate until the end of her days, but only when she changeth her menstrual rags conscientiously will she find silver upon the tray by her bed”?

All praise be to Allah, the merciful, the compassionate, who regards even such morally feculent and brain-damaged creatures as the geek to be worthy of His regard, if only to look upon him and say:

“I created that piece of shit?”


euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:43 am

I’ll take that as your admission of defeat and anything else you write as confirmation.


euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Forget the plaque, didn’t you hear that they found Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate? I’m sure you’re overjoyed to hear it!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:58 am

And assuredly it is revealed in the hadith that the consumer of camel dung which we call “geek” shall chatter and gyrate and make grimaces at the faithful until he doth collapse in exhaustion, but al-Mu’min?n shall not be disturbed, but look upon him with tolerance, and say: “Blessed be the afflicted, for is not Allah merciful and compassionate even to those such as this?”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Tsk. Are you really just a waste of bandwidth, keith, or is some “birther” merely simulating you to make the Obamaphiles look even worse than they are?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:27 am

Ah, but imagine young keith walking the streets of Mombasa, enjoying the tropical breezes, arriving at the doors of Coast Provincial General Hospital, and making his way to the Maternity Ward where his Messiah had first screamed his rage at the whole world…

Have you no soul, geek? He can look at Barry’s Kenyan birth certificate any time, but keith should broaden his horizons.

Remember keith, I’ll need your full name, exactly as it appears on your credit or debit card, and the expiration date and security code as well. Thanks!


euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:33 am

How do you know he’s young? And maybe he’s already on his way there. After all, his last post was 11 hours ago.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

You're right. And we should hound Dubbya to death over that!

You wanna get the torches while I run down to Home Depot for some pitchforks?


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

republic of kenya?

in 1961?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:01 am

And if keith is aged and infirm, and is a true Obamaphile, shouldn’t this trip to Mombasa to kneel at the memorial plaque commemorating the birth of his Messiah be number one on his “Bucket List”?

Make haste, keith, to get your credit card numbers (might require more than one, and I understand that MasterCard is having a special discount deal to let you double your frequent-flyer miles) in a post on this thread soonest.


Vince
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

It would be funny if the forgery is undone by the fact that the republic was founded in 1963.


euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:10 am

Sure, it’s an historical first, after all. The country’s first non-citizen president! Isn’t that exciting? Who knows? He may be paving the way for President Putin! Hey, at least he’s white.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:51 am

Putin? Nah. Can’t read English off a TelePrompTer.

And Barry’s more than half-White, if you count not only the Dunham contribution but also his alleged daddy’s Arab blood.

Sand Nazis are technically “white,” aren’t they?


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euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:59 am

He could pronounce English off a teleprompter, at least. And his campaign slogan could be “At least I’m white!” Obama can’t really say that. Plus, if he runs as a Republican, he’ll get at least 173 electoral votes going by the last election.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:22 am

Oh, not only “At least I’m white!”

He could do something like “And I’m White Russian, tovarichee!”

I think he’d miss out on the Cuban vote, though.


euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:25 am

Nah, Cubans tend to vote Republican. As long as he ran as a Republican he’d be pretty much guaranteed their vote.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:30 am

Gawd, geek, but you are dense. The Cubans who “tend to vote Republican” are the descendants of exiles who had fled to America from Castro’s Soviet Communist supported dictatorship.

So how would they be expected to vote when contronted with a former Soviet Communist dictator at the top of the Republican ticket?

Dawg, it’s like trying to tell a joke in Esperanto to this cement-head…


euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:40 am

Hey, it’s not like they’d be voting for Castro. And heck, with Karl Rove managing his campaign, the Republicans could sell anybody to them.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:21 am

Jeez, geek; ya think? Karl’s been so down in the dumps lately. Sarahcudda’s just taken out that restraining order against him, and even though he keeps sending CARE packages to Randy Cunningham in prison, nobody at the RNC seems to think he’s a proper “party guy.”


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Miller51550
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:02 am

This is supposedly a copy of the original DONE in 1964.

Note that IF it is REAL. that it would have been typed, signed and have the offical seal on it.

The big question is… is it real???..

I would be AFRAID to admit that I even thought about having something like this in my possession.

I would want to be in a secured area, with quad-50's every 20 feet with a couple of 1000000 rounds. JUST TO SECURE the thing.

I suspect that there are OBAMA and POLITICIANS that would kill to keep this copy..out of court…

I never thought he was born in Kenya… just wanted to know what he was hiding by sealing all his documents.


Centipede
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:23 am

Copied and pasted from the Daily Kos:

First, the hospital is Coast Provincial General Hospital (sometimes said to be Coast Province General Hospital), not Coast General Hospital.

Second, Kenya was a Dominion the date this certificate was allegedly issued and would not become a republic for 8 months.

Third, Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.

Fourth, Obama's father's village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.

Fifth, the number 47O44– 47 is Obama's age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44–he is the 44th president.

Sixth, EF Lavender is a laundry detergent.

Seventh, would a nation with a large number of Muslims actually say “Christian name” (as opposed to name) on the birth certificate?

Eigth, his father (born in 1961) would have been 24 or 25 when he was born and not 26.

Ninth, it was called the “Central Nyanza District,” not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.

2. The document is dated 5 August 1964 — a Saturday. From what I can find, Kenyan guvmint offices close early on Friday and are closed on Saturdays. Oooops [...]

5. This piece of paper certainly looks nice and new to be 45 years old — unless the Kenyans were using acid-free paper back in 1964. Heh, heh.

6. Finally, Officials of Coast Province General Hospital reported: “We do not have computerized records going back to the 1960’s and can only sort through our archives by hand,” Dr. Christopher Mwanga, an administrator at the Mombasa hospital tells GLOBE. “We have searched for all the names of babies born on Aug. 4, 1961, and have not found the name of Barack Hussein Obama. That is all I can tell you.”

http://dailykos.com/

Orly got hoodwinked again. And I love the line from WND that said that they have other Kenyan birth documents on hand that looked exactly like the forgery. They never put a picture of those documents up to compare to the alleged real one. Too funny.


Sir Loin of Beef
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:13 am

Having worked for long periods recently in Mississippi and Arkansas, I can report that almost nothing gets through down there but right-wing noise. On the radio: Rush, Hannity, Beck, Religion, Sports, and New Country music. On cable: Fox News and CNN. Half the hotels lack MSNBC and Comedy Central. The peasantry down there doesn't have a chance. That's how the fascists maintain their base – by keeping it ignorant and hating each other.


euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Maybe, but they’ll probably go running to him next time they want to win an election. He’s probably the most successful guy they’ve got since Lee Atwater is dead and Steve Schmidt didn’t run a very successful campaign last year.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:28 am

Well, that certainly captures in a neat little parcel the rage and fear and contempt of the “Liberal” self-anointed elite for the “peasantry” upon whom the socialists depend for all the wealth they feel entitled to “spread around.”

Beefy, you looking to Stalin's kulak murders as your model for handling those recalcitrant “right-wing” peasants you look upon so scornfully?

Ah, but beware! Unlike Stalin's time and day, these peasants – “bitter” and “clinging” – are armed.

And they hate folks like you.

So give 'em an excuse, why don'tcha? Seen all those roadside signs along the two-lane blacktop highways in Mississippi and Arkanas? That could be you, Beefy.

Flat, perforated, and hung up for display.


Sir Loin of Beef
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:35 am

Hey, I got along fine with folks down there – we just didn't directly talk politics. I had to overlook the fact that they were kept dumber than dogshit, and seething with anger over fantasies, by a corporate media that needs a small, immovable voting block that doesn't recognize its own self interest.

You can have all the dogs, rifles, and 4-wheel drives you can get your hands on, Country Man, but if that truck's radio is on in Mississippi or Arkansas you are an abject mind-slave to Wall Street.


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reybuono
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 12:31 pm

The biggest mistake of the Nineteenth Century was Lincoln's. He won the Civil War! What a better place America would be if all the yahoos in the Confederate States were on the other side of the border! From the Dixiecrats to the Birthers, the South has supplied and nurtured most of the bigotry and stupidity in my lifetime. I think we should offer them the chance to re secede


Vince
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

Geez, can you imagine how much aid we would have had to provide to them over the last 150 years if they had seceded? Would be like a 3rd world nation. Rednecks would be swimming across the Ohio river to get into the Union and stealing all of our low paying jobs.


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RedGraham
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

The simple fact is probably that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii as a dual-citizen & chose at 18 which one to be. He was given a pass for his time as an Indonesian because he was a minor during that time. The big question is “Which citizenship did he prefer and assume?” That COLB is not the end-all the Obama kool-aid drinkers claim. Hawaii allegedly “lost” all the paper copies of BCs from that time period after entering the information in a database in recent years. Who can guarantee Obama's paper BC on file there was not from Kenya? I recently read about a transexual who had his BC changed to reflect his new gender. Looks like BCs can be legally altered as well.


jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

and you wonder why you 'democrats' can't keep the white house? it's you attitude of 'we know whats best for you 'peasants'. we too get tired of the republicans, and cross-over and vote for a democrat, but as soon as you get in you remind us that we made a mistake. so, thats why carter lasted only 4 years, clinton at least was smart and moved to the center, but obama won't. look for nj to elect a republican governor this year,as will virginia. then next year 20-30 house seats will go republican as will 6 or so senate seats, then in 2012 republcans will win the white house and the senate and the house. and you will be left wondering 'what happened'. you happened, and your attitude that you are better then those in mississippi not only got across to them but to the rest of us peasants as well. enjoy your time now, for its limited, and about to end. you showed good thinking in not talking politics while in mississippi, you should show that on the internet too. you, sir, are the reason you can't hold power for too long, you, sir, are your own worst enemy.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

Jeez, I hope so. It’s not that I like poor old Karl, but he’s just been so depressed lately…


euphgeek
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

Just show him the Kenyan birth certificate and I’m sure he’ll perk right up.


Vince
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

Your dream is mostly emotion and very little reason. I can make the same accusations about Republicans for the last 8 years. When it became un-American to criticize arguably one of our worst presidents.When conservatives ruled like they believed they invented morality.When we started on our road to becoming a Biblical country along the lines of many evangelical churches that have their roots in the South. The ironic 'birthplace' of morality, slave plantations and institutionalized racism. I hope you find whatever peace it is you want but if it is a hard turn to the right again me and a majority of Americans are against it.


Sir Loin of Beef
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Y'all make yourselves peasants by hating without thinking. You'll holler about “freedom” and “liberty” without realizing that your elected representatives care only about the “freedom” of giant corporations to make their giant streams of money into even more money, while leaving you and I to pay the pay the external costs of their doing business. To me, “liberty” is only possible in the absence of private fortunes representing 500 or 1000 times the democracy weilded by you and I.

The Boston Tea Party was a protest against a CORPORATE TAX CUT – look it up. Today's “Tea-baggers” are pathetic pawns of fortunes that would dwarf the British East India Company.


JohnC
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

The big question is “Which citizenship did he prefer and assume?”

First of all, how could anyone possibly answer that question with a birth certificate?

Who can guarantee Obama's paper BC on file there was not from Kenya?

Well, for starters, Hawaii places the person's actual place of birth on the COLB, as supported by the documents they are given. Birthers like to claim that Obama could have gotten a COLB even if he was born outside of Hawaii. Perhaps, but two big problems with that theory in this case. First, the COLB would display his foreign birthplace, even if the COLB were legitimately issued in Hawaii. But it states his place of birth as Oahu. Second, the COLB shows Obama's birth was registered by the State of Hawaii on August 8, 1961, 21 years before the Hawaii law went into effect that permits foreign born persons from acquiring a Hawaii birth certificate. So, for Obama's birth to be registered at that time (and forwarded to Hawaii newspapers for announcement), the State of Hawaii must have determined that he was born in the State of Hawaii, and not somewhere else.


jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

so, at last you admit that you hate capitalism, and want to disperse the fortune of the rich to the rest of us. gee, i wonder what that is called?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

Beefy, you boob, what is it about the concept of the free market that you don't get? The reason why “almost nothing gets through down there but right-wing noise” on commercial radio channels is that most of the people “down here” like “that noise”. They prefer it. They actively tune into “that noise.”

That's what they want to hear, because it speaks to their concerns, their Weltanschauung, their affections, their enmities. They weren't being fed “that noise,” you schmuck. The radio stations in that area were carrying “that noise” because it sold commercial airtime more profitably than the kind of Air America bullshit you would've preferred.

Don't you get this? That “peasantry” you despise weren't being “kept dumber than dogshit.” They had – and still have – plenty of exposure to statist, socialist, “Liberal” propaganda. They simply rejected it. Still do.

The “corporate media” your paranoia paints as somehow needing “a small, immovable voting block” et yadda-yadda was interested in making a profit, so they purchased and broadcast the content they found would best get people to tune in.

Like most “Liberal” cement-heads, you can't reason logically, can you, Beefchunck? Mixing up cause and effect, you are.

If you “got along fine with folks down there,” Beefcake, it was only because they had no real idea what a piece of shit you truly are, in your arrogant, shriveled little heart of hearts.

You “abject mind-slave” of Washington City.


jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

i'm in agreement with you on your points that you made, however lots of northern states had slaves too. the need for them in the north was negated by incoming immigrants that worked in the factory for 'slave wages'. when the civil war began, new jersey, delaware, maryland, and kentucky still had slaves, but they didn't seceed. my point is, the north has no claim on the moral high ground either. both parties, democrat and republican, are both crap. bush was terrible, no arguement from me on that. if obama was man he wouldn't be carrying on bush policies, like sending more troops to afganistan, and he would bring home every troop from iraq, as he promised, today. there is not that much difference between the two parties, in the end they care more about themselves then the people they are suppose to serve. institutionalized racism still exists today, it just has changed from the plantation to the inner city. bush was no hard turn to the right, he was a turn for the worse. he was no conservative, he was a neo-con, there is a big difference. no conservative wanted iraq, many neo-cons did. its like the difference between moderate democrats and the looney left, there are differences. i'm at peace, like formal religion i dislike the two party system.


Glen Jules
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:32 am

Too bad we’re not talking about black and white marbles in a jar. There are a few more variables. As defined by the United States Census Bureau, the Southern region of the United States includes sixteen states and the District of Columbia (with a total 2006 estimated population of 109,083,752.) The “South” as defined by this poll only included 12 of those states. All those polled were not white, Del Ali didn’t release the racial breakdown for the South. I wonder why? Polls like statistics can be made to favor one group or another and without knowing the racial breakdown this poll is useless! This poll was obviously created to serve someone’s agenda and not to provide a fair and accurate representation of the South.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:50 am

Good points. One of the things that neither pollsters nor politicians nor the drive-by media “root weevils” want people to know about is how such opinion polls are carefully “sculpted” to secure particular pre-chosen outcomes, how statistical methodologies can be used to “massage” the data collected, and how interpretations can and almost always do discard what the pollsters consider “outliers” that would tend to “distort” the conclusions they’re being paid to serve up.

We see this kind of crap in clinical research all the time. “Cherry picking” study subjects, throwing out patients whose response profiles are “at variance” with predicted results, downplaying adverse events and even toxicities – hell, it’s something of a science in itself. Making something look robust when it’s got the root system of a milkweed patch.

This poll was created and implemented and is now being promulgated to serve a political purpose, and we lose sight of that at our peril.


Sir Loin of Beef
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

At last? No, I praise socialism right out of the gate.

Do you drive on paved roads? Do you buy raw meat at the store with the expectation that it is not fouled with rat feces? Do you deposit money in the bank with the reasonable expectation that it wont mysteriously disappear leaving you no recourse? Do you philosophically approve of stop-lights?

If “yes” to any of these, then you're a happy socialist too, without even knowing it.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Oh, what a friggin' stupe this Beeftallow is.

Putzie, the Boston Tea Party (December 16, 1773) was part of a movement throughout the colonies to prevent Parliament from setting a precedent in law (case law) to establish what the American colonists considered an unlawful practice, the imposition of taxes upon these colonies in the absence of the colonies' representation in Parliament.

“No taxation without representation.” That ring any bells with you?

About the same time, a cargo of British East India Company tea designated for the port of Philadelphia (where there were even more hostile Patriot crowds ready to sink the goddam ship), had been offloaded and warehoused in a dinky little New Jersey town on the Delaware Bay. That cargo was dragged out into the town square one night and burned.

The Parliament had passed a bill – a legal fiat – which stipulated a date certain by which Tea Act taxes would be paid (whether the tea in those ships in Boston harbor was offloaded and sold or not), thereby establishing the legal precedent the British were trying to invoke.

With that deadline in mind, the Boston patriots got together in a quiet and orderly manner, marched silently down to the docks, and chucked the cargoes overboard.

In New Jersey, it was easier to haul it out of a godown and torch it. Same principle, same purpose.

The “CORPORATE TAX CUT” you seem to have fixated upon was instead the implementation of a mercantilist government policy ostensibly enacted to benefit the financially ailing but politically “connected” British East India Company megacorp but in reality designed as the sharp edge of a wedge the British government was trying to drive into these colonies.

(( The British East India Company tea in those ships and in that warehouse on the Jersey shore was actually being artificially priced more cheaply than the Dutch East India Company tea that was being smuggled into the colonies by John Hancock and his competitors in the freelance tariff-running trade. American patriots were drinking the more expensive stuff by preference because what they couldn't stomach about British tea was the idea that Parliament had any lawful right to tax them on it. Or anything else. ))

And the present-day “Tea Parties” are about the same damned thing, you boob. All about “freedom” and “liberty” and the rights of the individual human being being violated by his “elected representatives” every friggin' day, in every possible way, as a matter of naked, unashamed government policy.


Sir Loin of Beef
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

“so, at last you admit that you hate capitalism, and want to disperse the fortune of the rich to the rest of us. gee, i wonder what that is called?”

…Well, in the case I cited regarding the Boston Tea Party, it ended up being called the “American Revolution”.


JohnC
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

Putzie, the Boston Tea Party (December 16, 1773) was part of a movement throughout the colonies to prevent Parliament from setting a precedent in law (case law) to establish what the American colonists considered an unlawful practice, the imposition of taxes upon these colonies in the absence of the colonies' representation in Parliament.

And the present-day “Tea Parties” are about the same damned thing…

Did I miss something? I thought we had an election last November in which duly elected electors from all 50 states and D.C. had an opportunity to elect the President, and voters in all 50 states (and D.C. for the House) had an opportunity to vote for their congressional representatives.

Short version: Colonists fought for taxation with representation, and current Americans possess that right. Where's the parallel?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

As if “the Malevolent Jobholder” of civil government provides anything but the illusion of efficient, proper, or even effective expenditures of the taxpaying private citizen's mulctings in the form of “paved roads” and foods fit for human consumption?

Yeah, Beefy, I'm sure you're the kind of shitwad simpleton who'd “praise socialism right out of the gate.” Diminished capacity defense on your part, right?

It is precisely because your beloved government reassurances that financial transactions were “regulated” that Bernie Madoff could take his clients for an estimated sixty-five billion dollars with his Ponzi scheme.

“Oh, the S.E.C. is protecting us!” said the investors. “And Bernie is a genius! Looka how much money he's got for me in my account!”

Yeah. Whoopee. Government is our friend. Government looks out for us. Government tucks us in at night, watches over us, and wakes us in the morning for our oatmeal.

The answer to all of these, Beefsuet, is NO.

Emphatically. And who the fuck are you to be talking about “knowing” anything?


Sir Loin of Beef
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Bernie swindled successfully because regulation was gutted in the fever of Free-market Fundamentalism through the Reagan, Clinton, and Bush administrations. What is your alternative to collectively supported regulation in this regard? Threaten Bernie with a gun?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Lincoln had to win the War to Suppress Southern Independence (a “civil war” is properly a struggle for control of the central government; what the southern states were seeking in secession was simply an “out from under” independence and escape from the Morrill Tariff enacted on March 1, 1861).

High “protective” tariffs – designed to plunder the southern agricultural states to the benefit of the northern manufacturing and mercantile interests – was the part of the Republican Party platform in the 1860 election that guaranteed Lincoln the electoral votes of swing states like Pennsylvania and New Jersey, which were otherwise strongly committed to the Democratic Party.

Had New Orleans and Charleston and Savannah been allowed to operate as “free ports” – free of federal tariff collection points like the hateful Fort Sumter – the Republicans' ability to rape the people of the agricultural states, including many of the midwestern states, not a few of which (Ohio being the best example) were themselves within a hair's breadth from secession in 1861, would've been impossible.

To rape a protesting victim, one must first put that person under control, using violence both threatened and overt.

That was the War of Northern Aggression you incorrectly characterize as a “civil war.”

And if the people of today's south hate you, rey, and loathe the ideas you embrace, do you really wonder why?


Sir Loin of Beef
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

There is no parallel – The pulse of the right wing is just knee-jerk antipathy for taxes and fear/envy of well-educated minorities, I guess.

I love the recently circulated quote from a tea-bagger at a town-hall meeting: “… and keep your government hands of of my Medicare!”
Poor self-defeating rubes.


JohnC
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

I guess we have to remember that it's not about the logic, it's about the passion!!

If a birther wants to shriek “I want my country back!” at Mike Castle's town hall, we're not supposed to be taken back by her utter idiocy, but rather admiring of her patriotic passion.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

Not hardly. Perhaps the most parsimonious and accurate speculation on what might have happened had the southern states succeeded in defending their independence was H.L. Mencken's 1930 essay “The Calamity of Appomattox.”

My guess is that the two Republics would be getting on pretty .amicably. Perhaps they'd have come to terms as early as 1898, and fought the Spanish-American War
together. In 1917 the confiding North might have gone out to save the world for democracy, but the South, vaccinated against both Wall Street and the Liberal whim-wham, would have kept aloof and maybe rolled up a couple of billions of profit from the holy crusade It would probably be far richer today, independent than it is with the clutch of the Yankee mortgage-shark still on its collar. It would be getting and using his money just the same, but his toll would be less. As things stand, he not only exploits the South economically; he also pollutes and debases it spiritually. It suffers damnably from low wages, but it suffers even more from the Chamber of Commerce metaphysic.

No doubt the Confederates, victorious, would have abolished slavery by the middle' 80s. They were headed that way before the war, and the more sagacious of them were all in favor of it But they were in favor of it on sound economic grounds, and not on the brummagem moral grounds which persuaded the North, The difference here is immense. In human history a moral victory is always a disaster, for it debauches and degrades both the victor and the vanquished. The triumph of sin in 1865 would have stimulated and helped to civilize both sides.

(( Source http://www.itsallpolitics.com/forum/index.php?t… ))


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

John, there is no practical “representation” in Congress if the various Boot-On-Your-Neck Party gerrymanderings create enormous Congressional districts which are to all practical purposes satrapies of either Socialist Party “A” or Socialist Party “B” and which average more people in each district – what is it now, 900,000 people for each congresscritter in the House? – than were found in any three or four good-sized states at the time the Constitution was ratified.

The dilutional effect of growth in population while the membership of the House and the Senate have been frozen in fossil form for decades upon decades have very effectively deprived the average citizen of even the illusion of representation. The person moved to protest the plunderings of “his” government is drowned out by the caterwaulings of the hundreds and thousands of “entitlement” seekers.

The successful politician – by definition the one who gets elected – knows full well that those who “vote for a living” vote reliably, and it is therefore those constituents whom he “services.”

Not the guys he knows he'll have to butt-fuck for the money to do that “servicing.”

Ergo the productive, mind-your-own-business, “Get off my lawn!” inoffensive, largely silent and unspeakably frustrated and enraged tax victim is, for every practical and genuine purpose, utterly without representation of his interests and his views in the Congress.

Did you miss that? Okay, you go back and read over what I've just posted, and keep doing that until it either sinks home or your eyeballs start bleeding.


Sir Loin of Beef
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

“The reason why “almost nothing gets through down there but right-wing noise” on commercial radio channels is that most of the people “down here” like “that noise”. They prefer it. They actively tune into “that noise.” “

I still prefer my interpretation, which is far more generous to the petite bourgeoisie of Dixie than is yours. I percieve well-heeled financial/political interests engineering propaganda to an economically depressed regional populace, whereas your senario leaves no alternative open but that white southerners are died-in-the-wool dipshit patsies who will embrace any self-destructive proposal as long as its wrapped up in hatred of black people.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

Dunno about “the right wing,” Beefloin, but my pulse is studied, deliberate, and purposeful “antipathy” toward arrogant “Mother knows best” asshole “Liberal” power-trippers who think they're lawfully entitled to run my life and the lives of my family members and neighbors because these fascist sacks of shit somehow conceive themselves to be a “favored few, booted and spurred, ready to ride us legitimately by the grace of God.”

Jeez, no wonder you're a “Liberal,” Beefpizzle. You're really quite altogether illiterate, ain'tcha?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Yep. Piss people off enough, Johnny, for enough time, and what you get is “passion!”

And if people start talking about “Our lives, our liberties, and our sacred honor” loudly and persistently enough, you just git for cover, y'hear now?

'Cause the next sound you're gonna hear is the ultrasonic crack! of rifle projectiles going past your ear.

If you're lucky. Remember, you never do hear the one that nails you.


JohnC
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

First of all, there's a distinction between “no” representation, and elected representation that you feel is not properly serving your perceived interests.

Having said that, I actually agree with you that our system of gerrymandering is broken, such that elected representatives increasingly get to vote on who their own constituents will be. The current system, dominated by partisan factions in power, has been used to create “safe” districts, so much so that even in the 1994 Republican “revolution” over 90% of incumbents were re-elected.

So I agree that the system needs to be reformed, either so that districts are delineated by permanent, non-demographic features (like mountains, rivers or state borders), or that the number of representative increases.

But I have yet to see those arguments being made among Tea Party protestors.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

Oh, you “prefer [your] interpretation,” do you? Discongruent with factual reality as it is? Well, how typically “Liberal,” Beefcattle.

'Cause you think it's “far more generous,” eh? Jeez, thanks for the noblesse oblige, your lordship. Like “the peasantry” you despise hasn't the discriminatory capability in a technological environment sometimes characterized as “information overload” to pick and choose, each for himself, what sources of data, critique, opinion, and entertainment fits his own rustic taste?

Lordy, lordy, how do they manage to stumble through their lives without falling off cliffs and inadvertently boiling their offspring to death and succumbing to the attacks of feral animals in the piney woods?

Pardon me, Beefheart, but aren't those “petite bourgeoisie of Dixie,” those “white southerners” you so thoroughly despise as “died–in-the-wool dipshit patsies who will embrace any self-destructive proposal as long as its wrapped up in hatred of black people” already lost to your Tranzi blandishments by dint of their personal experiences, which pound home upon them the sheer rottenness of the messaging you'd like to force upon them?

As one of them charming old country sayings goes, Beefpudding:

“Salt water or fresh, shit floats.”

Doesn't take an Ivy League affirmative action law degree to tell what's floating in your bucket, Beefie.


JohnC
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Passion is not a substitute for an argument. At least that was what conservatives used to say about liberals and moderates. I suppose, though, that persons are more likely to get their way with weaponry, but don't not mislabel it as “freedom” or “democracy.” It's the very essence of tyranny.

But remember, conservatives aren't the only ones with guns.


Ricardo
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

This goes along with Southern Congressmen not wanting Hawaii to join the union 50 years ago. Too many minorities and not enough whites.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

Yeah, there's a distinction between “no” representation and the happy fiction of representation.

Uh-huh. And I've got this great real estate opportunity for you on the banks of the bustling East River. A classic, an “oldie-but-goodie,” made with the finest Roebling steel, and you wouldn't believe the price I can get for you. Bailout money financing at very reasonable rates, too….

That you do not hear the modern “Tea Party” protesters making argument for revision of the scheme of government foisted upon us as “representation” in the Congress is merely that they – like most Americans – haven't thought through the practical as well as theoretical benefits of creating genuinely representative government.

Have you? Really? I doubt it.


A breakdown of the numbers is useful here. Initially, there was one representative for every 30,000 people. In 1911 when the representative number became fixed at 435, there was one representative for every 216,000 people. Currently, there is one representative for approximately every 760,000 Americans. If we were to go back to the original plan, we would now have to have about 11,000 representatives. Is anybody up to 11,000 campaigns and elections every two years? Before you answer, think about the unseen consequences.

Karen DeCoster pointed out to me that having thousands of representatives, as ridiculous as it sounds, might prove to be beneficial. Can you imagine the bottleneck if 11,000 politicians were trying to agree on a particular piece of legislation? Nothing would ever get done, rendering the political process mute. This might not be a bad idea after all, as gridlock is a desired end. Gridlock stifles political aggression and is certainly a friend of freedom.

– Gary D. Barnett, “Conspiracy, Census and the Case for Secession”

(( source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/barnett9.html ))


RedGraham
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

So then you must agree he was born with dual-citizenship and may have chosen Kenyan(?) to apply to college.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:43 am

You haven’t seen anything yet. Nada
Never claimed I was intelligent in my post did I? Do any of you people ever get the facts straight….EVER
I can’t wait for the racewar bring it the fuck on


JohnC
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

That you do not hear the modern “Tea Party” protesters making argument for revision of the scheme of government foisted upon us as “representation” in the Congress is merely that they – like most Americans – haven't thought through the practical as well as theoretical benefits of creating genuinely representative government.

From the Barnett source you cite, I take it that “genuinely representative government” in your eyes would require tens of thousands of legislators. If that is the case, I'm not sure I see that as being much different than having a public referendum on every little bit of legislation to vote on.

Second, if the object is to have so much gridlock that nothing ever gets done, then why have a national (or local) government at all? That goes beyond libertarianism and into the realm of anarchy. If that's what you're for, why don't you just come out and say that we'd be better off without fire departments, police departments or the military, or Medicare. Rather, each person must provide those services for himself. Admirable, perhaps, but certainly no more practical than theories promoting complete government ownership of property.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

And “an argument” isn't what moves people to political action. They've got to get pissed off – really pissed off. “Tar-and-feathers and hope the exciseman dies in agony of infected third-degree burns” pissed off.

There are emotions like “pity” and “care” and “condescension toward the disadvantaged” – all that altruistic “I'm so much better than those cattle!” bullshit in which you “Liberal” assholes wallow – and then there's “Get off my lawn!”

Which kind of emotion d'you figure prevails among those “tea party” types, Johnny?

And the “conservatives” are the “ones with guns” who know how to use them.

What you “Liberals” are counting on are the government's uniformed goons with guns to do your intimidating for you.

How d'you know you can count on those guys, most of whom are “conservatives” to begin with?

To quote Marcus Flavinius (centurion of the Augusta):

“…beware of the anger of the Legions!”


JohnC
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

His dual citizenship at birth and through his adolesence is a known fact. If he wanted to become a full-blown Kenyan citizen, he could have set up shop there if he wanted to. But the fact is he didn't, his Kenyan citizenship expired, and that episode of his life came to a close.

There's nothing controversial about that. Millions of Americans have or have had dual citizenship and probably never knew or cared about it. Nor should there be reason to doubt the allegiance of a citizen merely because of such an obscure quirk of fate. I was born in the U.S. to a U.S. citizen and a UK subject (who later became a naturalized U.S. citizen). Technically, I could have sought permanent UK citizenship, but once I turned 18, that theoretical possiblity ended. Frankly, I didn't even realize I had dual citizenship until long after my right to exercise it had long vanished.


JohnC
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

And “an argument” isn't what moves people to political action. They've got to get pissed off – really pissed off. “Tar-and-feathers and hope the exciseman dies in agony of infected third-degree burns” pissed off.

There are emotions like “pity” and “care” and “condescension toward the disadvantaged” – all that altruistic “I'm so much better than those cattle!” bullshit in which you “Liberal” assholes wallow – and then there's “Get off my lawn!”

Which kind of emotion d'you figure prevails among those “tea party” types, Johnny?

And the “conservatives” are the “ones with guns” who know how to use them.

What you “Liberals” are counting on are the government's uniformed goons with guns to do your intimidating for you.

How d'you know you can count on those guys, most of whom are “conservatives” to begin with?

To quote Marcus Flavinius (centurion of the Augusta):

“…beware of the anger of the Legions!”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

Ah, but in a free market, his investors would have no false assurances, no illusions of government-enforced probity and suchlike protections.

It is in a free market that charlatans like Bernie Madoff (and others of his ilk, gliding through the tangles of federal regulations to maintain a “hold harmless” condition in the safety of these rules' complexities) cannot manage so successfully to gull, cully, and diddle their clients.

In Madoff's case, a market function was put in motion years ago by some several of his competitors, each individually observing the “too-good-to-be-true” performance of Madoff's “investments” and looking into them using open-source information to which they had ready access and which they were particularly expert in employing. They all concluded that Madoff was pushing a Ponzi scheme. What could they do? Advertise this on the Web? Nope. Federal rules and regulations.

Okay. They reported it to the S.E.C.

And the S.E.C. bureaucrats went right out and…

Did NOTHING. The Iron Law of Bureaucracy, functioning as it has since the days of the first Emperor of Ch'in.

Sheesh.

“Hi, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you.”

It is never “the fever of Free-market Fundamentalism” that causes this kind of shit to pollute your water bucket, Beeftongue. Get that through your bovine skull, why don'tcha?

It's the regulatory swamp created by government in which crocodiles like Bernie Madoff hunt for their prey. All such gaudy economic thieveries and dislocations happen because of government regulation screwing with the functions of the marketplace, not in spite of these insane, “picking winners” political screw-up schemes.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

Ah, but in a free market, his investors would have no false assurances, no illusions of government-enforced probity and suchlike protections.

It is in a free market that charlatans like Bernie Madoff (and others of his ilk, gliding through the tangles of federal regulations to maintain a “hold harmless” condition in the safety of these rules' complexities) cannot manage so successfully to gull, cully, and diddle their clients.

In Madoff's case, a market function was put in motion years ago by some several of his competitors, each individually observing the “too-good-to-be-true” performance of Madoff's “investments” and looking into them using open-source information to which they had ready access and which they were particularly expert in employing. They all concluded that Madoff was pushing a Ponzi scheme. What could they do? Advertise this on the Web? Nope. Federal rules and regulations.

Okay. They reported it to the S.E.C.

And the S.E.C. bureaucrats went right out and…

Did NOTHING. The Iron Law of Bureaucracy, functioning as it has since the days of the first Emperor of Ch'in.

Sheesh.

“Hi, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you.”

It is never “the fever of Free-market Fundamentalism” that causes this kind of shit to pollute your water bucket, Beeftongue. Get that through your bovine skull, why don'tcha?

It's the regulatory swamp created by government in which crocodiles like Bernie Madoff hunt for their prey. All such gaudy economic thieveries and dislocations happen because of government regulation screwing with the functions of the marketplace, not in spite of these insane, “picking winners” political screw-up schemes.


JohnC
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Okay, let's say people are as pissed off as you say they are. And what, pray tell, do they intend to do once they've finished venting their destructive urges? If we set up the “get off my lawn” society you envision, we'll be less like the United States and more like the Wild West. You cross the wrong person, and you get killed. Step on the wrong guy's lawn, and you get shot through the head. Have a fender bender? Forget about the police – have a duel to sort out who should have gone through the intersection first. Wal Mart double-charged you on your Mueslix? Kill the manager.

If you disagree with this sort of vigilantism, then you obviously support either kumbaya “can we all just get along,” or you support a police force. Guess what. That's socialized personal protection.


JohnC
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Okay, let's say people are as pissed off as you say they are. And what, pray tell, do they intend to do once they've finished venting their destructive urges? If we set up the “get off my lawn” society you envision, we'll be less like the United States and more like the Wild West. You cross the wrong person, and you get killed. Step on the wrong guy's lawn, and you get shot through the head. Have a fender bender? Forget about the police – have a duel to sort out who should have gone through the intersection first. Wal Mart double-charged you on your Mueslix? Kill the manager.

If you disagree with this sort of vigilantism, then you obviously support either kumbaya “can we all just get along,” or you support a police force. Guess what. That's socialized personal protection.


jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

yeah, but we the one's with all the bullets.


jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

hey beefburger, you are a real looney toon, go howl at the moon.


shellbeach
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

DO YOU KNOW that the US Constitution and who can be President is further explained by administrative laws?

Do YOU KNOW that a person only needs one parent to have been born in the United States and have lived here for five years, three of which were during their teenage period and then can become President of the United States?

DO YOU KNOW that in Hawaii that a parent has one year to register the birth of their
child no matter where in the world they were born which will show on the short form that
the child is a registered birth of Hawaii and then become President of the United States?

DO YOU KNOW that Obama's father was born in Kenya and his mother in Kansas who
later moved to Washington State and was there three years as a teenager and therefore, fulfilled the requirement of the law for her child to become President of the United States?

DO YOU KNOW that Obama's mother registered his birth in Hawaii within the one year required and the person in charge of the department that includes issuing birth certificates will only show the short form?

DO YOU THINK it matters that Obama may have been born in Kenya instead of the United States even though our laws say he is legally the President of the United States if born in Kenya? Why does the public not know this?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

Jeez, Johnny, but couldn't you have attributed your quotation of my earlier post? The way you did it above looks as if you were “speaking” those words.

As for what such people might “intend to do once they've finished venting their destructive urges,” it's a certainty that their actions would run along these lines:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., to secure their rights to "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

What else?

And to be “less like the United States” and more like these United States,” a true federation instead of a monolithic “top-down” tyranny contrary to everything men like George Mason and Thomas Jefferson and Grover Cleveland wanted or planned or would tolerate – yeah, that'd be a pretty wonderful outcome, wouldn't it?

I think we can have your “kumbaya 'can we all just get along'” society pretty well. We've just got to get government – by which is meant political bickering, back-biting, grabbing, raping, looting, influence-peddling, bureaucrat-bribing fucking-up of the nation's economy – out of our lives so that people can live together in peace with some assurance that some anonymous bastard down the block isn't trying to screw him out of his home, his money, and his freedom by way of his influence with our “civil servants.”


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:57 am

Such myriads – eleven thousand political butt-suckers squalling for attention in a House the size of the Staples Center; gawd, can you imagine it? – of representatives would (as Mr. Barnett observes) have certain felicitous features.

What, you don't like gridlock?

And the House of Representatives was intended to function as “having a public referendum on every little bit of legislation to vote on,” Johny.

That's why the Constitution set it up to recycle every two years, and why these representatives went to the capitol not in the names of their respective states but rather in the interests of the people in those few counties comprising those representatives' districts.

The congressional ambassadors from the governments of the participating states – the Senators, who were not elected at large as they are (perniciously) today but created by the votes of their states' legislatures – were accorded six-year terms, and were to function in an “among equals” forum jealously to look out for their own states' best interests.

The House, you'll notice, is in charge of setting budgets and deciding on taxation. The initiative is there, not in the Senate.

Short of going to Mr. Barnett's perpetually logjammed and therefore wonderful vision of 11,000 bleating bastards tying themselves in knots from daybreak past midnight, we might do better with a system that takes advantage of technology available to us for more than a century.

Ever read a novel called The Probability Broach, Johnnie? Good way to understand how it might work.

Consider each citizen a “stockholder” in the corporate entity we call “these United States of America.”

Instead of being stuck with John Q. Asshole of whatever Boot-On-Your-Neck Party faction dominates his home district, let your citizen “stockholder” allocate his proxy vote in that great stockholders' meeting held daily in the House of Representatives to whatever officer has announced voting policies along the lines that the “stockholder” best prefers.

Personally, I like Representative Ron Paul, but I don't live in his district down in Texas. Instead, I'm stuck with John Q. Asshole up here, and he never votes the way I want him to do.

So what would I like?

Well, a House vote comes up. I get on some kind of “dot.gov” Web site and log in with password protection. I allocate my “proxy” from John Q. Asshole to Ron Paul.

When Ron Paul casts his vote in the House, he does so with millions upon millions of us “Paulbot” types weighting his vote while John Q. Asshole and the rest of his socialist caucus cast down-graded votes that reflect only the brain-dead dorks whom J.Q. Asshole really represents.

You like that idea better, Johnny?

As for what “each person must provide…for himself,” Johnny, what the hell makes you think that we don't do so already? Government plunders us all our lives, and those of us who live long enough to enjoy any advantage (if such advantage accrues to any of us at all) from “fire departments, police departments or the military, or Medicare” have long since paid for it in full.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:59 am

You haven’t seen anything yet. Nada
Never claimed I was intelligent in my post did I? Do any of you people ever get the facts straight….EVER
I can’t wait for the racewar bring it the fuck on


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:16 am

So you missed the President’s big (though simple) lesson?  What a pity!  We are all the less developed for that.

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Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:17 am

I am afraid you assume no existence of class in racism.  Truth be told the issue of race is all about hiearchy–who occupies what class–with blacks in America always pushed to the bottom class.  When we fully understand racism then we fully understand that class is inherent in that structure.

And with regard to people of color with presumed power…truth be told here would reveal that a comparison between individuals of color with power does not anywhere near equal the power of instutionalized racism that grants the class/race (white) at the top of the heap privileged position, advantage and consideration while maintaining the racial/class hiearchy inherent in racism.  Even your very own consideration of class in operation in the Gates incident accounts for it only possibly coming from Gates, but does not even acknowledge the hiearchy and class structure inherent in the instutution of racism itself.

Moreover, the system does it so well that not many individual whites no longer have to overtly work to keep racism functioning.  So those few individuals that manage to rise to the top despite racism are the exception that proves the rule, so to speak!  Otherwise we would see a much longer list of powerful blacks–in fact it would seem odd to us that so few people of color were in fact powerful people if there was no racism at work here!  Consider this:  Even a powerful intellectual person of color like Gates can be arrested in his own home without having done anything illegal!  How powerful is that?

Mind you, I am not saying that we haven’t made progress on changing the racist structure, but we still have a very long way to go and in order to move forward we must fully understand all aspects of racism.  We must understand why and how many whites who do not wish to be racists still speak and act racists at times, why and how blacks internalize racists ideology to their own detriment and undertand how necessary it is to be truthful about the issue if we are to move forward.  I know this is no easy task and I do feel for the position of whites–racism and its history is not an easy thing to reconcile.

Peace.

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jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:18 am

because he will not show ud his birth certificate. he will not allow access to his passport, his college application, his college transcripts, his college records including his thesis and grades. if he would do the birth certificate this would go away. the more he hides these documents, the worse it gets for him. he can end it all, his choice.


jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:25 am

no threatening bernie, take him to yankee stadium and give everyone he swindled out of their life savings a gun. see who hits him the most in the target placed over his heart. but seriously, thats the easy way, by now, with any luck, bernie is someone's 'girlfriend' in prison, and i hope he lives to be 100


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:11 am

Actually, all 50 states were polled and of course all those polled were not white. You should be glad. If the blacks weren’t included, the birthers would look even more focused in the south (and the south would look like it had an even higher percentage of nutcases since, blacks nationwide didn’t seem to have a problem with where Obama was born — 97% got that one correct).

Next, the census classification of states is irrelevant as it includes Delaware, Maryland, West Virginia and Oklahoma. Perhaps you’d be happier is the DK polls listed the “South” as “Southern Secessionist States”, because Delaware and Maryland don’t belong to the same cultural group as Mississippi and Alabama. The question was part of series a regular DK/Research 2000 series of polls so the regions were not drawn just to make the South look particularly stupid on this question.

And talking about packing polls, this one did have one (deliberately) “loaded” question. “QUESTION: Do you believe that America and Africa were once part of the same continent?” wasn’t a geography test, it was used to get a sense of a how much of a hot button “Africa” was. And it worked. The Secessionist States got that one correct (it was – as part of Pangaea) only 32% of the time, compared to 43% for the West, 46% for the mid-west and 50% for the Northeast. In fact the Secessionist States are the only ones to get it wrong more often then they got it correct. (in all regions, 30%-32% were “not sure”).

As for the claim “Polls … can be made to favor one group or another”, that’s about like saying people can be pedophiles. Doesn’t mean that just because I don’t think you have the foggiest idea whereof you speak that I can dismiss your claims about this poll, just because you could be a pedophile. If you always assume that because polls can be rigged the ones you don’t like are rigged, reality is going to come as a real shock to you.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:11 am

Actually, all 50 states were polled and of course all those polled were not white. You should be glad. If the blacks weren’t included, the birthers would look even more focused in the south (and the south would look like it had an even higher percentage of nutcases since, blacks nationwide didn’t seem to have a problem with where Obama was born — 97% got that one correct).

Next, the census classification of states is irrelevant as it includes Delaware, Maryland, West Virginia and Oklahoma. Perhaps you’d be happier is the DK polls listed the “South” as “Southern Secessionist States”, because Delaware and Maryland don’t belong to the same cultural group as Mississippi and Alabama. The question was part of series a regular DK/Research 2000 series of polls so the regions were not drawn just to make the South look particularly stupid on this question.

And talking about packing polls, this one did have one (deliberately) “loaded” question. “QUESTION: Do you believe that America and Africa were once part of the same continent?” wasn’t a geography test, it was used to get a sense of a how much of a hot button “Africa” was. And it worked. The Secessionist States got that one correct (it was – as part of Pangaea) only 32% of the time, compared to 43% for the West, 46% for the mid-west and 50% for the Northeast. In fact the Secessionist States are the only ones to get it wrong more often then they got it correct. (in all regions, 30%-32% were “not sure”).

As for the claim “Polls … can be made to favor one group or another”, that’s about like saying people can be pedophiles. Doesn’t mean that just because I don’t think you have the foggiest idea whereof you speak that I can dismiss your claims about this poll, just because you could be a pedophile. If you always assume that because polls can be rigged the ones you don’t like are rigged, reality is going to come as a real shock to you.


JessWonderin
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 4:08 am

oh jimmy . . . . adjust your foil and get a grip . . . the best minds money could buy -Clinton Campaign, McCain Campaign, FBI, State Department and the State of Hawaii have proven BEYOND a doubt, the FACT he was born in Hawaii, U.S.A. you can chose to belief facts and “end it all” . . YOUR choice.

But facts are, the idea that a Democrat and a black man beat the Republican Joke of a Candidacy is really the driving force and NOTHING will satisfy your mindless rantings.


JohnC
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:38 am

Why have elections, then, if they can simply be overturned by violence if the losing side doesn't like it? Sounds more like African or South American “democracy” than anything Jefferson would have advocated.


jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:30 am

yeah, you are right, its about race. like the 'gates'incident was about race. thank you for letting me believe what i want. i must admit at first i thought this topic was nonsense, but the more things don;t get re-leased, the more i have to wonder what 'THE ONE' is hiding. like i said, he can end it all. i bet by the time 2012 hits he won't get re-elected if he doesn't. enjoy the next 3 years.


jimmydavejo
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:37 am

by the way, hes 1/2 white, was raised by white people, and i would hardly call the clinton campaign, mccain campaign, FBI,state dept. and hawaii the best minds that money could buy. if anything, these things can be called inept.. JUST SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 8:42 am

The recipe for avoiding “An Appeal to Heaven” is found in the limitation of government to that sort of “caretaker” status which literally can do nothing else but serve as the protector of the citizen's individual rights.

No potential for plunder, for “Rotarian Socialist” screw-the-consumer tariffs and quotas, indeed, no economic intervention at all except as such is undertaken to protect the individual American against theft of property by force or fraud (principally through retaliation against thieves like Bernie Madoff and the banksters), no manipulation of the “money supply” (which is always undertaken to debauch the currency and literally thieve from the private citizen the value of the banknotes in his wallet), and in short nothing that robs any Peter to pay off any Paul, and you need have no worries about needing to overcome such a tyranny “by violence.”

Let me evoke Jefferson yet again, trying harder to get the HTML encoding right:

A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities.

Thus endowed, there's no need for battles – political or literal – in “the circle of our felicities.”


Gina
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 9:58 am

Besides whether Obama was born here, or in Kenya, why he hasn't shown any documentation of when he changed his name, when he gave up Indonesian Passport, all college transcripts, & his health records are all in question…..Plus he his the spitting imagine of his mentor Frank Marshall Davis, not Barack Obama Sr..This problem is, I think, is the problem, why?? because according to other records his mother married his so called father in Feb. 1961 already 3 months pregnant, other thing is she meet Obama in 2nd. semester of school in Jan. 1961, which means he would have been a born pre-mature…Also, when he went to Pakistan in 1981, Americans where not allowed a Visa there because of War, so there are legitimate questions that have not been answered, if you don't think we need to know this you are fools……


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 10:16 am

Now, now. Let's be precise. The Obamaphiles (ever worshipful of their Marxist Messiah) correctly observe that Mombasa was in Zanzibar (now Tanzania) at the time his mother was delivered in Coast Provincial General Hospital.

So while Kenya is obviously Barry's planned “57th state,” we may assume that Tanzania is the 56th.

All tickety-boo, no doubt. The Messiah, after all, can do anything, even while walking across the Atlantic to visit his native land.


tx_pierce
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

There you go, again. You and the rest of the “blind” media are trying to create controversy so as to create more ill slanted, uncoobarated junk. This article clearly, just by the title alone, creates controversy. It is writers like you can not leave the past to “try” to heal.


pawiporou
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

whether you like the birthers comments or not America is a democratic society and people of race can have their say about anything they want.At the end of the day the president was elected by a very large margin of the populous.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 1:24 pm

Nah. The federal government of these United States is a constitutional representative republic with specifically prescribed duties and explicit prohibitions against actions violative of the rights of the individual citizen. The “society” isn't even particularly “democratic,” inasmuch as any cantankerous individual can pretty much go his own way as long as his actions don't threaten (or violate) the rights of his neighbors to their own individual lives, liberties, and property.

A truly “democratic society” is a mob tyranny. A bloody mess. The Founders crafted the U.S. Constitution – especially the Bill of Rights – to prevent that.

So “people of race” (I thought we were all humans?) “can have their say about anything they want,” as long as they don't try to force “their say” on other people, either with or without the armed goons of government backing them up.

And at the end of this I'll betcha that your Marxist Messiah still hasn't coughed up his fucking birth certificate to prove that he's qualified to be jerking off all over the Constitution in the privacy of the Oval Office.

What the hell d'you think he's hiding, paw-paw?

Stanley Ann Dunham having grunted him out into the cold in the Maternity Ward at Coast Provincial General Hospital in lovely downtown Mombasah?


RedGraham
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

So you agree he was born a dual citizen IF he was born in Hawaii before moving to Indonesia where he became Indonesian.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

What's odd though is that NO hospital in Hawaii has any record of Obama's mother ever having been a patient there. Yet some claim he was born there and got dual-citizenship before going to Indonesia & becoming an Indonesian.


JohnC
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

On your first point, that certainly seems to be the case, yes. But for reasons which I could get into later, that has absolutely no legal effect on whether he is eligible to serve as President of the United States as a “natural born Citizen” as required in Article II, Section 1.

As to the second point, it's not clear if Obama became “Indonesian” upon moving to that country in 1967. I don't know Indonesia's nationality/naturalization laws, or whether Obama satisfied such laws.

Having said that, even if Obama did become an Indonesian citizen, the U.S. laws in effect at the time he was in Indonesia (which I can specifically cite later if necessary) would not have permitted Obama's extant U.S. citizenship to be adversely impacted prior to him reaching the age of 25. And, as we know, Obama returned to the U.S. as a permanent resident by the age of 10. At the very least, it is irrefutable that he resumed his permanent residency in the U.S. before reaching age 25. The long and short of it is that regardless of what took place in Indonesia (short of Obama personally and specifically renouncing his U.S. citizenship), Obama's U.S. citizenship status could not be, and was not impacted by such events.

Obama was a natural born U.S. citizen at birth and has been a U.S. citizen ever since, his years in Indonesia notwithstanding.


JohnC
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

I don't think it's accurate to say that no hospital in Hawaii has a record of Obama's mother being a patient. Considering the strict medical privacy laws which are the norm in the health field across this country, it would be far more accurate to say that no hospital in Hawaii will confirm whether she was a patient there, which is something very different.


billybishop
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 5:57 am

Another racist Birther heard from. Crawl back under your rock, idiot.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:09 am

Oh, another Obamaphile boil to be lanced! How nice!

Anything interesting or new from this pustule? Hm. Playing the race card, yeah, right out of the old knee-jerk “Liberal” dumbfuckery, as if that's supposed to paralyze people… It whines a little, bitches a bit, sputters, tries to fling poo but hasn't the manual dexterity….

Nope. Nothing new. Okay, little billy. You can go back to fucking your dog now.

And – oh, yuck! – it's a male dog, isn't it? Damn, billy; what the hell else is wrong with you?


billybishop
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:13 am

George 'The anti-Christ' Bush gave 1 1/2 trillion dollars to Wall St. before leaving office. How come that doesn't make him a Marxist? You are so full of it, Hypocrite! Anything to bash Obama, eh red neck!


billybishop
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:33 am

Asshole, I don't want to hear from you again. You are an American piece of shit. Go back to fucking your daughter and don't bother me again.


billybishop
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:43 am

I understand that all Americans learn to suck cock at an early age. That's why you are a nation of cock suckers. And you are obviously the biggest cock sucker of all. How many cocks can you handle at once? Fuck off and die, asshole!


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:46 am

Because Dubbya was (still is) a mercantilist. Corrupt and unconstitutional, most assuredly. Criminal in all probability. Evil in the extreme. But not the same kind of evil as a Marxist.

You are so bloody stupid, billy. Public school education, right?


These corporate interests didn't aspire to compete for your dollars by producing the best goods and services they could at the lowest possible prices (a quaint little system called “capitalism”), but used the government as a bludgeon in the marketplace to preclude or destroy competition and force you to buy their products whether you want to or not. This system is called “mercantilism” and it's exactly what Adam Smith wrote his Wealth of Nations to complain about in 1776.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 6:50 am

Well, billy, just because you haven't the neuromuscular coordination even to have demonstrated the rooting reflex as an infant (they had you on nasogastric tube feedings until you were, what, twenty-two?) it's not nice to snipe enviously at a whole nation of people who do not suffer your debilitating and humiliating handicaps.

And do go gently with that poor pooch, will you? I'm sure there are at least some several municipal ordinances you're violating each time you press your unnatural affections upon him.


billybishop
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:10 am

Better a public school education, than no education at all, you dumb ass Yankee yokel.


billybishop
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:12 am

Hahaha, Boy aren't you the literate one. Go back to fucking your family members. It's probably the only action you can get. Useless American shithead.

P.S. I can keep this up as long as you can, Fuck Face.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:16 am

And everybody gets the message about you being the illiterate one.

Hm. I know that humans can contract heartworm from dogs, though it's a relatively benigh parasite. But distemper? I mean, you've got the symptoms, certainly, but is it venereally transmissable as a zoonosis in humans?

Gotta look into that…


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:19 am

You mean you've got “no education at all,” billy? Tsk. They just kept you underneath the back porch and left a plate of scraps out for you twice a day?

Getting a strong Sling Blade vibe off you, billy. You like mustard on your fries?


RedGraham
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 7:28 am

Fake BCs & COLBs do not change the actual location of Obama's birth or that he was a dual-citizen before he became Indonesian. His adoption and namechange were beyond the juvenile Soetoro's control. Stannie didn't want the kid home all day and he had to be Indonesian for the school system to babysit him. Giving birth in Kenya, at least two uncircumcised third-world sex-partners, no wonder Stannie died of ovarian cancer(migrated from cervix?). If the Usurper resigns NOW his presidency, appointments, etc. might not get nullified. He should grant Bill Clinton a full pardon for his perjury conviction and all the other crimes he was accused of like Ford did of Nixon and countless judges often do when a witness pleads the fifth.


billybishop
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:43 am

Look asshole, I'm not even reading your infantile shit anymore so why don't you go back to fucking your clan or go to a cross burning or whatever you local yokels do for entertainment.


billybishop
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 8:43 am

Look asshole, I'm not even reading your infantile shit anymore so why don't you go back to fucking your clan or go to a cross burning or whatever you local yokels do for entertainment.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

Oh, good. Then I can enter anything I like in complete confidence that I won't be causing you to take it out on that poor dog of yours.

Well, that's a load off my mine….


billybishop
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

Look asshole, I'm not even reading your infantile shit anymore so why don't you go back to fucking your clan or go to a cross burning or whatever you local yokels do for entertainment.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

Tsk, tsk, billy. Y'know, dogs can definitely pick up on the emotional instabilities of even properly medicated psychotics. Given the evidence that you are not properly medicated, you're certainly at high risk should your dog – even cowed and abused and limping around as your poor pet probably is – are you aware of the risks you're running while stirring yourself up online like this?

Next time you go to fuck that poor pooch, he might bite your shriveled little balls right off.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

Oh, the “Nurmee-nurmee-nurmee-I'm-not-LISTENING!” line, eh? Goodie! Get that in your email push to “left-wing bloggers” from Messiah Central, bash-your-bishop?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

Good for you, billy. Don't read. The people in the public library look at you funny when you do it aloud, don't they?

And you don't like people looking at you, do you, billy? Always looking at you, and listening to the thoughts inside your head, and they can tell how much you like to fuck your poor, little doggie, and they don't approve of that, do they, billy?

And if enough people hear you, they're going to make you go back under the porch and stay there, and you don't like it as much down there with the rats and the spiders as you did when you were a little kid, do you, billy…?


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:26 am

Well, it's getting out in the drive-by media now.

From David Hahn, “Publisher StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

But, here is the issue:

The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of our country. Article II of the Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen. Without reciting them here, there appears to be some serious questions raised about whether President Obama was born in the United States or Kenya. We have not checked sources, but there are reports that some witnessed his birth in Kenya.

The President's campaign staff and then his administration have released and placed on the internet a “Certificate of Live Birth.” We do not dispute the validity or correctness of that document as others have tried to do, suggesting the use of computers to alter seals and names. By releasing this document the President agrees that the claims about his status as a natural born citizen is an open, important, public issue.

But, this “Certificate of Live Birth” is simply not the best evidence that the President and his administration could offer to lay to rest any doubt about his status as a natural born citizen.

Barack Obama is a lawyer and a graduate of Harvard Law School. All law students study the body of law we call “Evidence.” One of the core tenets of American law is the “best evidence rule” which requires the production of original, or certified copies, of original document to prove a fact. Abstracts and summaries are not original documents.

The President has offered an abstract (Certificate) of his birth, but not an original birth certificate which would be the best evidence of his birth. We need the best evidence so that it can do what the best evidence is meant to do; dispel the doubts about a fact. We need to see the Birth Certificate. That's the one that is often handwritten and signed by the doctor.

Lawyers and legal thinkers will, obviously, argue the finer points of the “Best Evidence Rule” and its applicability to this matter. But, that misses the point. The notion of “Best Evidence” is solidly-grounded in law. This is an important public matter and it seems now that the President has started down the path of offering some evidence (Certificate of Live Birth), he should offer the “best evidence” (Original Birth Certificate) which is the source document for his birth. The document behind the document which has been released. This is what is needed now in the court of public knowledge.

The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.

I guess there are some things that not even a journalism school graduate can stomach.


Anne
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Tuci is hilarious! I forwarded him to all my friends.


Anne
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Tuci, please flame me. You are awesomely hilarious.


Jennfizzer
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Why would anyone have access to medical information that should be protected by the Privacy Act of 1974 as well as HIPAA?


Jennfizzer
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

It certainly seem that the two third-world HUSBANDS repeat HUSBANDS of color, as opposed to White “sex partners” is causing you some serious heartburn. Not to worry, It also does that to members of the KKK and White Conservatives. Historically that's why the KKK didn't want the schools integrated…”them Black boys sittin' next to our lily-White little girls.” But ya' know, coming through the cervix of a tobacco-chewing, hillbilly mother infected with syphilis, in a powerful and progressive Western nation such as ours is much worse, don't you think?

Women, Money and Power are the driving forces behind racial fears and insecurities.


patisok
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

That schools in the south are for the most part in the bottom tier nationally, this does not come as a big surprise.


patisok
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

And where did you get this information. Name your source.


patisok
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

This had been debunked by World News Daily. Cant get any more Republican than that. I have never in my 65 years seen the hatred I have seen in the last few months. It is heartbreaking that we have a significant portion of the GOP who really believe this stuff. Truely remarkable that the hatred is so strong that we have a true dumming down of this country on this issue. Despite evidence to the contrary and the State of Hawaii attesting to its legality the still want to deny the filed birth certificate.. The campaign featured this hate speech and out right lies but he prevailed anyway which I think in the long run should have shown the GOP how utterly rediculous it is to keep following the same path. But reason is not something many in the party are dealing with.


patisok
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Love your langauage. It reflects your education and upbringing very well.


patisok
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

Because he is black and had a Muslim father, he will have to jump higher and run faster than any ordinary white man. No matter what he showed it would never be enough. Small minds will never accept anything and I am beginning to think they will not be satisfied until someone who believes all this s..t kills him. Then they will all say well we never said that…we never promoted his downfall every day and called him every name in the book. I cry when I read the posts here….on both sides they are filled with stupid vile langauge. I thought we had turned the corner on racism. I am sad profoundly sad to see we have not.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 2:24 am

First, let loose of the notion that all “birthers” – i.e., constitutionalists – are Republicans, or even remotely supportive of the Red Faction of the big, bipartisan, permanently incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party (their motto: “If voting could really change anything, we'd make it illegal!”).

Second, what the hell is it you think had been “debunked” by WND? You gotta link or something? I'm not a WorldNetDaily reader, though I've been pointed to their Web site a bunch lately, and I've had email correspondence with a few of their writers and editors over this “birther” business in the past couple of weeks. Nice people, but I prefer The Libertarian Enterprise and the daily push out of LewRockwell.com (see “'Experts' Never Learn” by Peter Schiff on why the recent stock market burble doesn't mean that Barry hasn't plunged the national economy into the shit for the next couple of years at least). Mises.org is also remarkably good, with massive archives including whole books you can either read in HTML or download in PDF. Similar with the Foundation for Economic Education, whose The Freeman I began reading in med school, and the Cato Institute.

WorldNetDaily I can take or leave.

Third, on “hatred.”

Yeah. Your Marxist Mahdi is much hated, pat. Bound to be. He's a socialist shit-bag. If he'd campaigned last autumn on what he's been doing for the last six months, even Crash Test Johnnie couldn't have lost that election in November.

And, God knows, Johnnie certainly did everything he could to take that dive.

Oh, yeah. What “evidence to the contrary”? Barry hasn't yet produced any physical forensic document or even any sworn attestation (apart from his own signatures on all the primary and election filings he made) to the effect that he qualifies as a “natural born citizen” to meet the requirements of Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution.

We've got computer graphic images, pat. Not “evidence.”

The image of a legal document is not the document itself. Gotta have that document. Gotta get its true contents and “genuineness or non-genuineness” confirmed through the evaluations of expert witnesses sworn under oath.

Not there? No “evidence.”

No “evidence”? No qualification.

No qualification? Time for a quo warranto “cough up the birth certificate, you lying bastard!”

No birth certificate? Summon the federal marshals! Get out the handcuffs! Somebody wake up Hairplug Joe, sober him up, and drag him in. Time for him to earn that “bucket of warm spit” his job is worth.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 2:26 am

Thanks. The American language is replete with expressive options, and I try to exercise the full range of its potential.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 2:42 am

Oh, good. I hope they enjoy. Given the material I have to work with – the gaudy stoogework supplied by the Obamaphiles – I really think I could do more.

But all of this is undertaken very much “on the fly,” and only the lightest of extemporanea.

Still, encouraged by your praise, I will strive. “Every day, in every way, I am getting better and better.”


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Constitutionalist
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Patisok, You're right! Fifty three percent of the people in the South are actually convinced that Obama is a natrual born citizen? WOW! That 53% must have been sleeping in school.

I'm much more worried about the folks in the rest of the country, though. They clearly didn't learn to think for themselves in school.

Very scary.


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peterprinciple
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

It increasingly appears that white Southerners are not just a separate polling population, but a separate species.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

To the extent that they tend very strongly to work for a living (and therefore are net tax “cash cows” instead of tax consumers), they're a singularly valuable separate species, aren't they?

The whole of Lincoln's War to Suppress Southern Independence was waged in recognition of the value of “white Southerners” as tax victims.

Read Thomas DiLorenzo's “Lincoln's Tariff War” to learn more.


jp
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 12:03 am

i am not from the south, and i am pretty smart (PhD level almost), and i think Obama was NOT born in America, most likely Kenya
Get this fake pro-minority anti-conservative imposter out of the WH soon


Tuci78
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 4:35 am

Well, if he was born in 1961 (and now there's even some doubt about that), and it was in the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, then he'd been born in Zanzibar, not Kenya. There was some re-shuffling of national borders a bit later in the '60s.

I suppose that if Kenya is going to be Barry's 57th state, then Tanzania (modern Zanzibar) will be number 56.


Gus
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

I love the whole birther thing! All you have to do is read one comment to know someone is an unhinged batshit loon. Saves a lot of time.


Gus
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Based on what?


celmak
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

Hpw Many Liberals believe that 911 was the work of Bush? 77%


Samatha
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 1:22 am

Almost PhD level my ass! Youre an idiot if you don't think that he was born in the United States! You can't be President if you were not born in the U.S. so clearly since he is our President, that means that he was born here! POINT BLANK!


annneutral
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 9:01 am

I'm having a hard time believing that pollsters, politicians, and pundits are having a hard time believing that Southerners are still racists. Take the (1) lack of education (academic training teaches not only facts, but the ability to critically analyze them) as well as the (2) poverty for which Southerners for over a hundred years have needed a scape goat, and you have a recipe for longstanding and deep seated irrational and emotional volatility.

One other ingredient is the lack of spirituality, and the substitution of religion. Social justice organizations such as the Catholic church emphasize the tenets of Jesus Christ: feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, etc. Not merely “rules of the road”, but found in the Christian scriptures. Jesus also said “as you treat the least of these you treat me.”
Added together, this ignorance, emotional neediness, and religious zeal using home made tenets (not Biblical teachings of Jesus) and this racist hysteria is what you get.

Nothing has intervened in ths South since the Civil War and the Great Society of Johnson and the attempted assasination of George Wallace to change the hearts and minds of most Southerners.

They have just been waiting………

Want to bet on it? OK: here's the test. How many of these zealot complainers about the budget or any other of these problems they blame on Obama did they complain about when Bush was the president?


annneutral
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 9:04 am

If his mother was a citizen of the US, which she was, he could have been born on the MOON, and he is still the child of a US citizen, hence a US citizen.

What's wrong with you, man? Don't know civics, Mr. PhD?


annneutral
Comment posted September 17, 2009 @ 9:08 am

So, now you all get it, right? Southerners of today are descendants of those who ACTUALLY SECEDED FROM THE UNION! They had a hissy back then, clutched their pearls to their bosoms in horror, and SECEDED!

If you understand that self-defeating bs, you “get” the South. And I see that you do.


Check Your Facts
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

I live in the South and I can tell you all the Birthers I know are racist as hell. And it makes sense that they would be when you think about it. Birthers are overwhelmingly old white people and/or rednecks. Most of them grew up during segregation when they were told that blacks are inferior and not worthy of sharing the privileges and freedoms that the superior white race enjoys. This was the social norm when these people were growing up. So of course they carry some of these beliefs with them when they grow older. This also explains how they believe that they are the “silent majority” and that more people agree with them than actually do. That and people tend to hang out with other people that share similar ideas. I almost feel sorry for them. Most of them are actually good people that know racism is not socially acceptable. Still the racism is there so they deny it and claim that they're patriots concerned with the future of America. Although they can't back any claims up with facts from credible sources. Only chain emails from other racists. The bottom line is there's nothing you can say to them. The racism is there, they're in self denial, and no amount of “facts” will change them. So what do you do? Hit em' with calm, rational, discussion about the issues. You'll get hit back with LOTS OF ALL CAPS RESPONSES AND TOO MANY EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!! !! ! ! But keep spreading support for the change Americans overwhelmingly voted for. If conditions in America improve with Obama and a Democratic congress that's a hard point to yell over.


Tuci78
Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

And “Liberals” are overwhelmingly incompetent, self-absorbed, whimperingly dependent bloody fools who encounter factual reality as something baffling, hostile, and impossible to overcome.

Thus their angst-ridden fixation upon government grown beyond its proper functions and capabilities, and their constant struggle to deny the central reality of civil government – that it's not a force for nurture and “community” but rather an agency unique in society entirely for its ability to break things and kill people.

Which is why the stone-headed “Liberal” loves government so damned much.

Y'see, the “Liberal” goes through life as a cringing, whining, useless waste of oxygen, and knows full well that unless he's got some kind of “Officer Friendly” goon with guns to force the productive people around him to extort valuta on behalf of the “Liberal,” said “Liberal” would be left to freeze to death in the dark.

Which is what the “Liberal” so thoroughly deserves.

See the story of “The Ant and the Grasshopper,” and take note of the fact that the “Liberal” has had something like 2500 years to get the point.

And obviously hasn't.


SF
Comment posted September 29, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Tuci78, if I did some research on you. You'd probably be from bumfuck, Alabama and a proud member of the Klan. Just admit that you don't want a N****r as president. Just admit that you have no evidence to your ridiculous birther claims. Everytime you say Obama is a socialist or a Muslim I know that in your head you are saying “he's a no good n****r.” MSNBC is right socialist is the new N word for idiots like you. You probably wouldn't even know what socialism is. Socialism is the government take over of all buisness not services like healthcare. Go crawl back into your cave of ignorance and read Sarah Palin's version of Mien Kempf, you ReNAZIcan idiot. Obama has done alot more in his 8 months than your god W has done in his 8 years. Go whine you sore losing panzie. You people talk about how you love democracy but when democracy goes against you, y'all act like sore losers. Because of people like you, the Republican (becoming ReNAZIcan) party will never win an election in 20 years. There was a time when there were good Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower and even descent like Reagan, they would all be Democrats today because of people like you. I mean what do y'all have now; extremists like Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck.


Tuci78
Comment posted September 30, 2009 @ 1:15 am

Putzie, you wouldn't know “research” if the concept took physical form, crawled up onto your face, and bit out your eyeballs.

And the Klan wouldn't have me. I was raised a good parochial school pre-Vatican II (Latin Mass) Roman Catholic, and the Ku Kluxers all adhere to the various Protestant heresies. They may hate your Marxist Messiah as much as I do (and want him gone from public office as much as I do), but their hatred and opposition arise out of nothing other than the way that Barry's trace of Luo tribal ancestry enables the slimy abomination to “fake Black” well enough to pretend he's a Negro.

More like a quadroon, if you want to get precise about it. Ever read Pudd'nhead Wilson, schmucklet? No? Didn't think so.

The bigots are of course correct to hate Barry, but that correctness is of the proverbial “stopped clock” variety. They're pointing in the right direction, but not for the right reason. Those who despise your Fraudulence-in-Chief for no reason other than Barry's pretense of negritude really don't fully understand the down-to-the-bone malignancy of that vicious, lying, scheming sonofabitch, do they?

I've no more in common with the bigots in this regard than I am in the fact that I like a hot cup of coffee now and again, and so do most of them. Big deal.

So we've established that you're a flaming sphincter who knows precisely nothing. Typical “Liberal” dimwit, ain'tcha? Always gotta play the witless, knee-jerk race card, don'tcha? Tsk.

When I post statements to the effect that Barry Soetoro's a socialist, it's because your Mombasa Mamzer is a socialist. His ghostwritten books speak directly to a socialist upbringing and inculcation, his campaign promises were socialist, his policies are socialist, his actions have been socialist, and the results he's getting are socialist.

They sure as hell haven't been capitalist in any way, have they?

As I've written, it wouldn't matter if he were a blond, blue-eyed Nordic type fit to tickle Heinrich Himmler's most lurid fantasies. He's still a socialist, and he's still evading simple requests that he produce in a court of law his physical, stamped-and-sealed abstract Certification of Live Birth (and release to such a court's scrutiny the archival “long-form” materials supporting said abstract) as evidence supporting his contention that he had been born in Honolulu rather than in the Maternity Ward of the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa.

Whatever descent is claimed by Barry Soetoro, he has it within his personal power to take correct action to support and defend the Constitution of these United States. He can start by demonstrating his respect for and his compliance with Article II, Section 1, and he pointedly – emphatically, arrogantly – has not.

So what is it about him a constitutionalist is not supposed to hate, simpleton?


SF
Comment posted October 1, 2009 @ 6:24 am

What exactly does he believe in that is Socialist. Hmm, taxing the richest 2% of the nation, well capitalist countries do that too. Your gonna claim that his universal healthcare program is socialist, well capitalist countries also have universal healthcare. Oh, so is U.K a socialist country, nope. Taking tax safehavens away from CEOs, well they deserve it for being so damn corrupt. If any one of you tea partiers know the facts behind Obama's plan you would know that it is not socialist. Actually it is a capitalist approach. You guys scream that it is the government takeover of healthcare, actually, its not. You see, Obama's plan sets up an option for those who don't have healthcare, think of it as an expansion of medicare. Obama's program would let the individual choose what insurance company they prefere. It would actually be capitalist in a way cause it would provide competition in some states where there is now only one company providing insurance. What he is doing is providing more competition; competition is what drives that capitalist system. Obama is a trust buster; just like Teddy Roosevelt, and I wouldn't think you would believe that Teddy Roosevelt was communist, or maybe you do. Second, all the solid evidence points that Obama was born here. I'm sure your gonna say that you have evidence. I'm sure your gonna pull some of Glenn Beck's quotes out of your ass. Stop drinking the Fox kool-aid for once and do some real research. And finally, I'm not a liberal, I'm actually a modreate (Social libertarian/ liberal economically), but I have lost faith in your party and see that the grass is greener on the Democrat aisle.


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Comment posted October 9, 2009 @ 2:37 am

Please note my new e-mail address:
 
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obamaismuslim
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 9:04 am

east europeans surveilling me here- in nordic counntry- and police does nothing!??
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–I see not much othe r hope than killing
- satanists
-nazis
-black people in our countries
-policemen
-commies
-danes, finns and norwegians all over the world- they ar e all nazi pigs
-freemasons
-muslims in nordic countires
-chinese, etc. in nordic conuntries
-highest elite politicians and elite
etc. etc.

Those people rule everything- satanic new world order illuminati bloodlines rule evrything.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religion…
http://www.stewwebb.com/Illuminati_Council%20of…
http://www.bilderberg.org/
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/index…

If you have a problem with them they destroy everything in your life.

There is tens of thousands or more victims of this kind of harassment and surveillance in EU and in the world- it is mind control harassment, and destoroys everything from you.
Now they create this nazi world order – NWO to whole world police state- and satanic dictatorship – communism, f.ex. EU.
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you must understand that these immigrants are BULLSHITTERS – they are not refugees, etc. – they are here in order to destroy and take over our countries- take our money, jobs, etc.?

Have you seen them doing anything but take money from society , or get easy jobs?

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article870802.ab

http://sioe.wordpress.com/
http://www.siad.dk/
http://svt.se/svt/play/video.jsp?a=911665
http://europeanalliance.blogspot.com/2009/10/ar…
http://muhammed-cartoon-contest.blogspot.com/

http://bp2.blogger.com/_Cq2P0ssFV0Q/RvVCaS5CZ1I…
http://media.putfile.com/Taliban-Destroying-200…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wt_yxAuO-4 .

sweden islam lars vilk denmark westergaard
link funny a video here for Seppo Lehto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO_gQmKt8kMIf, so they can see how he is paying the price for your freedom with silly youtube clips and then link http://transatlanticconservative.blogspot.com/2…
and when you are having a great yuk over all of that you could sing a song with your liberal friend as their freedom dies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmyGZ64J9yg and then after a good drink or 5 and a lovely night you can clap them on the back, and smile, because you know inside they think you are the crazy radical, and creeping Shariaa is the new social norm most have relegated themselves to…

“There is alot of problem description re the Islamofascists. The program I favor is to:

1. identify radical islamists–people who believe in violent jihad, having sharia law, etc.

2. taking those individuals into custody.

3. deporting those people back to their country of origin.

Deportation is not the death penalty, and it is not permanent intenment. They want to kill or convert us all, we just want to deport them.”

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As for calling Birthers Racist Republicans….I will remind you that IT WAS A BLACK MAN THAT RAISED THE QUESTION OF HIS BIRTH PLACE IN 2004 …Alan Keyes (a black man) running against Obama in the Senate race in Illinois in a debate accused him of not being born in America…to which Obama said “Well, I'm not running for President”. Which means Obama knew at that time that only the POTUS office had the explicit NATURAL BORN citizen clause and that anyone born on the soil of America or naturalized citizen could run for any office EXCEPT POTUS.
The other main originator of the BIRTHERS was from HILLARY CLINTON'S CAMP…PHILLIP BERG, a DECADES LONG DEMOCRATIC lawyer.

Saying BIRTHERS ARE ALL RACIST IS LUDICROUS and is like saying all OBAMA SUPPORTERS are Black Panthers. As far as this poll is concerned showing a majority of them being Southern white folk: Again I would say that other regions of the country people are simply being PC and not wanting to “voice” their opinions to anyone…BUT COME VOTING DAY they will either vote against him or will stay home …like in Massachusetts.
BTW; THE CHANGE AMERICAN'S OVERWHELMINGLY VOTED FOR WAS:
Going line by line to cut out any pork barrel spending in a bill; having CSPAN in on every policy or law made…etc.etc. whatever the blame was against Bush he would CHANGE THAT…Yep! a great speaker…but what he did say American's should have picked up on and didn't.: In Audacity of Hope he said “I believe the CONSTITUTION IS FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED ….and he did say right before election day: WE ARE JUST DAYS AWAY FROM FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING AMERICA!! We all should have picked up that his intention would be to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE OUR CONSTITUTION.

….AND IF TRANSPARENCY IS WHAT HE RAN ON. why then have that forced the unsealing to the public view of Todd Palin's private emails and yet the POTUS is not made to unseal his IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS INCLUDING college transcripts and his long form birth certificate WITH SUCH A LARGE PORTION OF AMERICANS WHO BELIEVE HE IS HIDING SOMETHING IN THOSE SEALED RECORDS.
THE REASON WHY THE POTUS MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AND NOT JUST A CITIZEN LIKE IN THE 14th AMENDMENT (which does not deal with the POTUS issue)..is because only the POTUS is Commander in Chief and must be shown NOT TO HAVE ALLEGIANCE TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY…and Obama is a self admitted dual citizen HIS FATHER WAS A SUBJECT TO THE BRITISH CROWN and as such the British Crown would claim priority of citizenship of any child born of the father in a marriage if that father was a subject so are the children of that marriage. My niece was born in Chinon, France when her father was on military duty there. She is a dual citizen of France but with her American born father having priorty citizenship …she is the child of an American. Obama is the child of a BRITISH SUBJECT TO THE CROWN…The laws as standing in 1961 weighed heavily on the FATHER more than the MOTHER in offspring in a marriage as far as legal rights. Even if a woman had an illegitimate child born during a marriage as long as that marriage certificate existed that husband (even if proven not the father) the child had to take the name of the husband with all the husband's inheritance rights.

YOU SIR ARE THE RACIST AND BELIEVE BLINDLY IN A MAN THAT WILL TRY HIS BEST TO NUDGE WITH FORCE AMERICA INTO THE LIKES OF CUBA. IF THIS WAS BUSH …YOU WOULD OPEN YOUR EYES.


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People like this individual are why I will never will live south of the Mason-Dixon Line again.


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Elid , do you know how you sound like an elitist bigot with that remark.
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Elid , do you know how you sound like an elitist bigot with that remark.
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