Only 42 Percent of Republicans Say the President Was Born in America

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Friday, July 31, 2009 at 9:14 am

Ben Smith has the results of a disturbing Research 2000 poll that asks Americans whether they “believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not.” Independents (83 percent) and Democrats (93 percent) say he is. Republicans are more divided: Forty-two percent say yes, twenty-eight percent say no, and thirty percent aren’t sure.

A 2007 Rasmussen poll about the 9/11 attacks, which found 35 percent of Democrats said Bush might have known about the attacks in advance, became a frequently used bludgeon against the party and its voters. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the same thing happen here.

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[...] still disturbing that nearly 1/3 of Republicans are buying into the birther nonsense, and, as Dave Weigel notes, it’s not all that different from the polls in 2007 that showed that as many as 35% of [...]


Zelator
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

>The proves that only a minority of True Americans believe this >nonsense about Obama being born in America.

>These same liberal commies are forcing our kids to believe in >evolution or that people actually landed on the moon!

So, that means I am not a True American either? And, if I recall, Jesus was a liberal AND a socialist.

And if you don’t ‘believe’ people landed on the moon, you belong in a nice quiet rubber room.


dougmataconis
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

A lot of people will discredit this poll because it comes from Daily Kos, of course.

I've got to think the question is being polled by others, though. Should be interesting to see if other results come out.


no_more_war_for_money
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

Obama has more proof of being born in the U.S. than I have. I lost my original birth certificate and can show only a copy that doesn't even mention the names of my mother and father. Although I have no personal memory of my birth, my mother, not an American citizen at the time of my birth, assures me that I was born in the U.S. Of course, she's 87 and showing signs of dementia. Good thing I don't want to be President. Of course, it wouldn't matter if I ran as a Republican. Republicans only have doubts about such things when the President is from another party.


Brent
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

If this poll truly reflects Republicans beliefs, it sadly substantiates that many Republicans are on the fringe of American race beliefs and that places them deeper into the political wilderness. This is a matter of racial discrimination, designed to stir racial discontent over a nonexistent issue.


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

Its really quite sad because at one time they were a respectable party.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

The proves that only a minority of True Americans believe this nonsense about Obama being born in America.

These same liberal commies are forcing our kids to believe in evolution or that people actually landed on the moon!


jeninoh
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

Gee, and the GOP wonders why its political clout is shrinking…? When you are THIS FAR out of touch with the rest of America, you aren't going to win much anytime soon… They keep preaching to the converted instead of trying to win anyone else over.


strangely_enough
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

No, this proves you either didn't read the part about “Independents (83 percent) and Democrats (93 percent) say he is…”


mantis
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

FC is a spoof birther. Not for serious.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

hmmm…

only 42% of rethugs believe Obama is American

and

the 'average' Republican is 48.3y
( http://people-press.org/report/517/political-va… )

and

the SS actuarial tables say a 48y old will live 34.05 more years
( http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html )

so

the current 'crop' of nattering nabobs of negativism, on 'average', will ALL be dead (and QUIET, finally) by 2043. JUST in time for the 550th anni of the (3rd) founding of America.

now, that's something to look forward to/and celebrate!


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

The 'Party of Lincoln' was 'born' as an abolitionist construct in 1854 and will 'die' @ 160 as a 'denier' of the first 'black' man in the white house [est 2014].

(don't) RIP GOP 1854 – 2014 [est]


Torro
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

On President Barack Obama's citizenship, twenty-eight percent no plus thirty percent that aren't sure add up to fifty-eight percent nitwits. While that is typical for Republicans (conservatives) it doesn't help that our education system here is a faillure. With only twenty some percent college educated and seventy plus percent products of a failed education system it is hardly a surprise that racism and stupidity still rule.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

It might be helpful to note that both Dave Weigel and Ben Smith have lied about this issue; perhaps that and the fact that they're hardly alone in their lies might explain part of the poll results.

If you trust either Weigel's or Smith's reporting, read the links with an open mind.


mantis
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

You may choose to play semantic games to claim others are lying, but we all know who the liar is, chuckles.


Fred
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

These same people also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.


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Cervantes
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Let's not forget that the wording of the 2007 poll is somewhat ambiguous. Bush was in fact warned that bin Laden intended to attack the United States, and he was in fact warned that a possible method was to fly airplanes into buildings. So there is a sense in which agreeing with the proposition that he knew about the attacks in advance is merely a stretch, not an indication of wearing the ALCOA sombrero. Furthermore the question says “might,” asking people to definitively rule it out. Note that 30% of Republicans say Obama might not have been born in the U.S., but 28% say definitely no. So there is really no comparison.


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know1
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

No further action need be taken to “end the discussion” or to “end the questions”. The discussion is closed by order of the US Supreme Court, whose Chief Justice administered the Oath of Office of President of the United States, and by order of the Senate of the United States whom confirmed the electoral college voting results.

The discussion is OVER.

Anyone applying for a passport would get a certificate from their state of birth similar to that issued to Barack Obama and the same as publicly circulated and displayed. The Constitution does not require special forms of birth certificates to appease racist subversives undermining the presidency using falsified Kenya documentations and claims.

When it comes down to who do you trust, the STATE of HAWAII is trusted over unknown Kenyan alleged witnesses. STANLEY ANN Obama, Barack's mother, was unable to travel to Kenya for medical reasons, and an infant returning with her would not be admitted into the US for medical reason — it didn't happen and was medically impossible due to Yellow Fever Virus Vaccination medical requirements.

Pregnant women were not vaccinated and infants under 1-year-old were not vaccinated. It didn't happen.

Stanley Ann was in classes at University of Hawaii before the birth — there was no prolonged absence from classes. Barack Obama Senior was conspicuous as the FIRST-EVER BLACK STUDENT at University of Hawaii, and was not absent from classes before or after the birth.

The only conspiracy is the criminal fraud conspiracy falsifying documentation purporting that there are witnesses in Kenya who allegedly attended the alleged Kenyan birth. These felony fraudsters need to be punished with severe prison sentences, including those aiding and abetting after the fact, because they have undermined military good order and have already caused at least one officer to refuse orders of assignment caused by the fraud crime. This is not harmless political tug-of-war but actual treason. Traitors must be punished for undermining America's security during a time of war.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

Yeah, I'll bet you find that Poll result “disturbing,” Mr. Weigel.

Are you still trying to pass yourself off as an “impartial journalist” with all of this Volksaufklärung und Propaganda work you've been doing lately?

The more people who call into question your Mombasa Messiah's lawful qualification to have run for election to the presidency, and to continue grunting on the presidential dunny just off the Oval Office, the greater will be the attention turned to your golden idol's feet of dung.

And that's the big, hairy, squirming cockroach in your personal enchilada, isn't it, Mr. Weigel?


strangely_enough
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 1:54 am

Damned irony detector keeps acting up…


luther blissett
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Weigel's just not that into you, crazy stalker.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:42 am

I believe he was NOT born as a “natural born citizen” regardless and he must believe that too or he would release his ORIGINAL BC, Indonesia school records, official namechange, draft registration, passport to Pakistan, high school & college records etc. He could also explain the usage of more than one Socialist Security#. The man is a USURPER and must be removed from office ASAP.


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Fred
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

I think it is statistically accurate. Yes, there will be more credible polls coming out after this head turner but I am quite sure they will say the same thing.

What this basically means is that the Republican party is no longer a credible national party. I forsee them splitting off into 2 parties after they get slaughtered next election. Not sure what they would call themselves. The 'sane' and the 'insane' party maybe?!


Centipede
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

QFT


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Jeez, Fred, the Republican Party hasn't been “a credible national party” since Reagan retired. From the '50s on, it was a freaky and unstable coalition of “Get off my lawn!” individual rights defenders, Buckley-type Cold War imperialists (and that's about the only way to describe them; we've got garrisons in places where people don't even get CNN yet), and what I've head hilariously described as “Rotarian Socialists.”

(( “Three cheers for free enterprise, and keep them no-bid contracts, subsidies, set-asides, high tariffs, low interest rates, pork projects, sweetheart deals, quotas, and cheap wetback labor a-coming!” ))

This last bunch has been the core Republican constituency since they were calling themselves “Whigs.”

The fish is dead Fred. And as with all other dead fish, the rot started from the head.

Let's have Socialist Party “B” rolled into Socialist Party “A” and quit trying to sell people the threadbare illusion that, salt water or fresh, shit don't float.


Fred
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:39 am

They were credible enough to win Bush I and Bush II. If they were totally irrelevant then Palin/McCain should not have gotten more than 20% and look how many they got. Could you imagine Palin one 72 yo heartbeat away from the launch codes?????? I sure can't.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 1:34 am

Nah. The fiddlin' little turnout for Crash Test Johnnie and Sarahcudda (I'm willing to bet that it was much more for the latter than for the former all over flyover country, distinctly hoping that the Enemy Ace would stroke out while humping a Girl Scout or something) was mostly because there was – in spite of all the hand-waving and “Ignore that man behind the curtain!” crap the National Socialist Party and their allies in the drive-by media had worked so hard to put up – there was even in November a shitload of “Damn. That's funny…” about Barry Soetoro.

And how else were people supposed to vote against the Messiah and Hairplug Joe?

“Aw, shit. I might as well vote for McCain.”

As for Dubbya and his daddy, remember what I've written about the Republican Party's real core constituency, the Rotarian Socialists. When the National Socialist Party slips on “servicing” those pork-and-plunder seekers, or they think they can get a better deal out of the other side, they revert to their Whig – er, “Republican” – roots.


Fred
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 2:08 am

I don't speak Palin. Can you translate?


andygra
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 2:31 am

I would really worry about the 30% of “registered Republicans” who don't have an opinion about a current topic, however inane.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 2:39 am

Now, why the hell would you be worried about a big chunk of self-identified Republicans refusing to admit their doubts about the Holy One in a nation still imbued (though it's leaking kinda badly with every passing week) with the True Faith in their Messiah?

“Jeez, I don't wanna look like some kinda racist,” thinks the Republican. “But do I believe he was actually born in Hawaii if the shifty bastard keeps fighting off all those lawsuits just because he doesn't want to show a judge his birth certificate?”

To the pollster: “Thanks, but put me down as 'undecided' on that one.”


Stephen
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

The birth certificate and all relevant information has been made available since this debate began. I think it's time for all who still believe that President Obama is not a U.S. citizen to get on the phone and call 911 immediately….you may be suffering from a carbon monoxide leak in your home.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

Nah. Of Barry's Certification of Live Birth – and you keep repeating your wishful mantra, stevie, and I'll keep repeating the plain facts of the matter – all that has been provided to anyone outside the circle of highly prejudiced partisans of the Obama campaign have been computer graphic IMAGES of what is alleged to be a COLB issued by the state government of Hawaii in 2007, supported (if the word can by used) by a possibly criminal statement – uttered not as a sworn attestation but merely to reporters – by Dr. Fukino, a bureaucrat of the Hawaii state government.

Counselor, you couldn't get a driver's license renewal in many American states on the basis of that fluff.

And you and your fellow Obamaphiles expect to get away with nothing but that?

To repeat: Nah!


Debra McDaniel
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:46 am

President Obama has posted his birth certificate online, it has been verified by an independant third party, the Hawaiian officials have publically stated that the certificate of live birth (which is what I have from WA. does that make me un-American?) is exactly the same document as a birth certificate. The officials also stated that even though they have computerized their records, the paper document is archived and they don't have long and short forms. Only the form we've seen. Now I think it's time for the birthers to show us what proof they have. Show us the proof he isn't an American citizen. Show us a foreign birth certificate. Show us any legal proof you have that could be shown to a judge in a court of law. Show us the affidavit his mother filled out renouncing his citizenship. We'll accept any legal document proving his ineligibility to serve as our president. Put your money where your mouths are. Put up or shut up. If you can't show us proof, then you had better shut your pie holes. You birthers are the ones running around screeching and disrupting townhall meetings demanding proof. You are the ones making the crazy accusations. Well if you can't prove the journalist who has verified his birth certificate is a conspirator or a liar and you can't prove that the Hawaiian officials are in on the conspiracy as well, or lying and that the document is not real, and if you don't have legal proof he isn't a citizen, then you might just have to tell us the real reason you don't want him to be president. If you are a racist or if you are afraid of having a non-white president you should admit it. You'll sound a hell of a lot more sane than you do running around ranting like inmates at the local assylum.


Fred
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:32 am

You spelled RepubliKlan wrong.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:36 am

Not that anyone should be surprised by this, but the Ku Klux Klan's political roots are in the Democrat Party. They used to haul Republican bureaucrats and politicians out of their beds in the night, club them, whip them, and string them up.

Nowadays, it's the drive-by media who do that, and (unfortunately or not) only figuratively.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:54 am

Well, you mustn't expect anyone stupid enough to stand for public office to have the wit to appreciate technically practicable tactical and strategic hostile actions. Wargamers fiddling with Flight Simulators have been kamikaze-ing airliners into the United Nations building (most wargamers are strong history buffs, well aware of international politics, and therefore hate the United Nations) ever since the earliest versions of that computer game came out.

But the bureaucrats and the politicians neither think like wargamers (who are extremely smart people, for all their nerdy geekishness) nor do they listen when their cadres of geeks-for-hire tell them about what can and might be done to slaughter the citizens for whose protection these “public servants” are responsible.

You can post such warnings in Esperanto on bulletin boards and then claim that Dubbya “knew about the attacks in advance” and that would make about as much sense. Given his capacities – indeed, as I've said about all such popularity contest winners – that's like expecting a Handi-Wipe to absorb the output of a fire hose.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

The simple fact is probably that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii as a dual-citizen & chose at 18 which one to be. He was given a pass for his time as an Indonesian because he was a minor during that time. The big question is “Which citizenship did he prefer and assume?” That COLB is not the end-all the Obama kool-aid drinkers claim. Hawaii allegedly “lost” all the paper copies of BCs from that time period after entering the information in a database in recent years. Who can guarantee Obama's paper BC on file there was not from Kenya? I recently read about a transexual who had his BC changed to reflect his new gender. Looks like BCs can be legally altered as well.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:28 am

Well, it's getting out in the drive-by media now.

From David Hahn, “Publisher StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

But, here is the issue:

The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of our country. Article II of the Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen. Without reciting them here, there appears to be some serious questions raised about whether President Obama was born in the United States or Kenya. We have not checked sources, but there are reports that some witnessed his birth in Kenya.

The President's campaign staff and then his administration have released and placed on the internet a “Certificate of Live Birth.” We do not dispute the validity or correctness of that document as others have tried to do, suggesting the use of computers to alter seals and names. By releasing this document the President agrees that the claims about his status as a natural born citizen is an open, important, public issue.

But, this “Certificate of Live Birth” is simply not the best evidence that the President and his administration could offer to lay to rest any doubt about his status as a natural born citizen.

Barack Obama is a lawyer and a graduate of Harvard Law School. All law students study the body of law we call “Evidence.” One of the core tenets of American law is the “best evidence rule” which requires the production of original, or certified copies, of original document to prove a fact. Abstracts and summaries are not original documents.

The President has offered an abstract (Certificate) of his birth, but not an original birth certificate which would be the best evidence of his birth. We need the best evidence so that it can do what the best evidence is meant to do; dispel the doubts about a fact. We need to see the Birth Certificate. That's the one that is often handwritten and signed by the doctor.

Lawyers and legal thinkers will, obviously, argue the finer points of the “Best Evidence Rule” and its applicability to this matter. But, that misses the point. The notion of “Best Evidence” is solidly-grounded in law. This is an important public matter and it seems now that the President has started down the path of offering some evidence (Certificate of Live Birth), he should offer the “best evidence” (Original Birth Certificate) which is the source document for his birth. The document behind the document which has been released. This is what is needed now in the court of public knowledge.

The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.

Looks as if even a J-school guy can admit the common sense of the situation if he's pushed far enough, long enough.


froscheinoptonlinenet
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 7:07 am

why would google connect this with, “percentage of the uniteed states of america that drives,”?


lordmagnto08
Comment posted September 1, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

I'm an American who like many others, has supported the Constitution of this great country. However, I have never before in my life been as angry or disenchanted with our government and government officials as I have been since the Democrats took control of both Houses of Congress and the White House.

I am one missed off American Vietnam Veteran who is tired of the bull —t, affirmative action programs, and, union support career politicians. I am also sick and tired of the lip wristed liver lipped lovers occupying career political positions and the worthless bitches like Pelosi and Boxer who are supported by their liver lipped loving liberal friends from their Cali Forn Ya districts.


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