Police Officers Suspended for Running Background Check on Obama

We told them to do that during Election. Why are they punished. Obama couldn't pass security clearance to be his own secret service with all his known associates.

We told them to do that during Election.

What, the movie Election? Ok, Tracy Flick. And what do you mean “we told them?” You told police officers to do background checks on presidential candidates? Why?

Why are they punished.

Because they violated the rules and procedures they are bound to follow.

Obama couldn't pass security clearance to be his own secret service with all his known associates.

If you say so, and yet, he is President of the United States. That must make you soooooo mad.

All known associates? Like the bin Laden family?

Oh wait, that was the previous guy.

Let the wing-nuttery begin! Oh, wait, I'm too late for that… well let it continue!

John McCain's own wife was investigated for prescription fraud and embezzlement, and McCain was censured by Congress for his role in the S&L fraud. Those in glass houses…

Yeah, it's a strange story, all right. What could be the teensy little bit wrong about a couple of trained, trusted officers of the public peace running a potential “perp” like Barry Soetoro (alias “Barack Hussein Obama II”) through the National Crime Information Center?

They do it all the friggin' time on us “civilians,” don't they?

Are you nuts? We won get over it.

Doesnt make it right either way Tuci.

How is it not “right either way,” kmax?

Look, the cops will run your name and other identifying information through their NCIC access if they do no more than stop at your door to tell you that your child has left his tricycle in the gutter just off the curb. Or to give you a warning about how your lawn needs to be mown. Or when they come to the scene of an accident at which you've stopped to render aid like a good citizen.

The police look upon us “civilians” in pretty much the same way the Reichssicherheitshauptamt looked upon the Poles living in the Generalgouvernement from 1939 through 1945. We are cattle to be herded, kept in our places, and clubbed or slaughtered whenever it becomes expedient to do so.

I don't claim to like that, but if they do it to you and me, whey the hell shouldn't they do it to Barry (AKA “Barack Hussein Obama II”) Soetoro?

Tuci's an equal opportunity fascist.

Nah. Couldn't get those damned high-topped boots on. Now, if the uniform ever comes to include sensible galoshes….

But I could never qualify as a fascist. Y'see, fascism is a kind of socialism, and I know too much about the intrinsic self-contradictory and nonviable character of socialism (which is a perfectly fine system of political and economic organization for hive-dwelling insects, but doesn't work at all for autonomously reasoning creatures like Homo sapiens) to advocate socialism in any of its variants.

Y'see, fascism is a kind of socialism

Only to idiots who read Jonah Goldberg.

Oh, it goes way, way back further than Goldberg's Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning (2008).

Goes back to the very beginnings of fascism as a branch of the socialist faith. Read Ludwig von Mises' Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis. The 1951 Yale University Press edition is available free online, and later editions of the English language translation are still in print and on sale.

Hm. Von Mises' Socialism hasn't gone out of print since its publication in 1922, to the best of my knowledge. The European socialists have been writhing under its hammers and struggling to rebut Mises without result for nearly a century now. American “Liberals,” being not even remotely as lucid or literate as their Old Country sputniki are as the beasts that perish about such scholarship.

Goes back to the very beginnings of fascism as a branch of the socialist faith.

Socialism is an economic system, not a faith. I understand that libertarians operate only on faith, as the support for their beliefs is largely illusory, but people who can talk seriously about socio-economic theory don't think or talk that way.

Read Ludwig von Mises' Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis

So your support for the ridiculous notion that fascism is really socialism is a book written in 1922 (which I've already read, thank you), the same year as the March on Rome? Wow, von Mises was quick in dealing with Fascism, wasn't he? Mussolini had only written the manifesto in 1919 and they weren't even in power when von Mises finished his book. Oh wait, he didn't mention fascism at all in tha book you cite? Drat.

In fact! In fact von Mises was somewhat fond of Fascism, at least in the short term, precisely because it was an ideological shift directly opposite to the socialism of the Bolsheviks and other European Communists. Don't take my word for it. From the man himself:

*He was much more critical of the Nazis, but he was Jewish, after all.

Well, thanks for quoting from Liberalism: In the Classical Tradition (1927), but how is that pertinent to von Mises' earlier work, Socialism (1922)?

In 1927, he'd written (as you'd quoted) of fascism's “…policy [having] brought salvation for the moment,” while studiedly reserving his warning that “To view it as something more [than an emergency makeshift] would be a fatal error.”

And that's because Mises diagnosed fascism as – like “the Russian Bolsheviks” – a manifestation of the socialist antiliberal (and we're not using the modern American “Liberal” word, which a synonym for what writer Greg Costikyan once called “milk-and-water socialism”) political movement.

Might prefer to reference von Mises Planned Chaos (1947), and look closely at his specific discussion of Mussolini and the Italian socialists who started the Fascist movement in Europe.

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“…Benito Mussolini, the outstanding man in Italian socialism, chose at first the orthodox Marxian position. Nobody could surpass Mussolini in Marxian zeal. He was the intransigent champion of the pure creed, the unyielding defender of the rights of the exploited proletarians, the eloquent prophet of the socialist bliss to come.”

– Ludwig von Mises, Planned Chaos (1947)

Now you pretend not to know that the Italian Socialists ejected Mussolini, and he then proceeded to turn directly opposite to them and form the Fascisti.

Yes, Mussolini was an ardent Socialist. And then….

The story doesn't end there. Fascism's central principle, as von MIses notes, is fanatical nationalism. The rest was incidental, and though they really failed to create a corporatist system, they weren't around all that long. von Mises is fond, I will grant you, of pretty much calling everything that isn't Liberalism (and yes, I know in what sense we are using the word) as antiliberal socialism, in infinite varieties. It's his worst flaw, really. Nobody but nutter libertarians think of everything else as socialism.

Sure, the rejected Benny the Moose just the way Innocent III kicked up the Albigensian Crusade against the Cathar heretics in 1209.

Ain't nothing as bitter as the hate between folks in one religious sect and those in a related cult.

And what's the difference to the rights of the individual human being if the socialism is “national” or “international,” bug-bite?

–
Whatsoever, for any cause,
Seeketh to take or give
Power above or beyond the Laws,
Suffer it not to live!
Holy State or Holy King–
Or Holy People's Will–
Have no truck with the senseless thing.
Order the guns and kill!

– Rudyard Kipling, :MacDonough's Song” (1917)

This is wrong. Yes using the NCIC for snooping is wrong, But the NCIC does not have as many records as most private background check companies, I work for Integrascan, we have access to over 70 million records when the NCIC only has a little over 1.5 million records. The NCIC has been promoted for a long time as a revered database of criminal records. The fact is it is a voluntary program that relies on the input of law enforcement agencies that decide individually if the police record is important enough to upload to the federal system. Many law enforcement agencies do not have the time or staff to upload every arrest and courts do not have the staff to upload all convictions.

Private Background check companies whom run background checks have much more access to Criminal Convictions as that is a real criminal record, not arrests. The people have the right to know if our president has ever been convicted of a crime, we should make it mandatory to run Criminal Background Checks on all public officials whom win an election. Look what happens with the elected officials in New Jersey, Patterns in criminal behavior could have been spotted if a Background Check was performed by a private company.

U.S. Citizens need to demand Transparency as the President has claimed, The Presidents Criminal Record should be posted for the world too see as he works for us. Integrascan intends to post the record on our website.

Terry Sweet
Integrascan

Well, it's getting out in the drive-by media now.

From David Hahn, “Publisher StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.

Wonder how the email push of daily “talking points” from Messiah Central to “left-wing bloggers” is going to handle this?.

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Curious. You need to submit to a background check to buy a .177 mousegun, but not to take control of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.