Feinstein, Cardin Take On Aerial Hunting

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Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 5:52 pm

Big day for Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on the gun-control front. First she introduced a bill to prohibit foreign felons from buying firearms; now she’s pushing a proposal to end the practice of hunting from airplanes. Co-sponsored by Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.), the bill aims to close a loophole in the ban against aerial hunting that allows the practice to continue in the name of wildlife management. Alaska, for example, allows private hunters to pick off wolves from the air, citing a need to protect other species like caribou and moose — an issue that gained prominence last year with Sarah Palin’s arrival on the national stage.

Under the bill, only certain state and federal officials would retain the right to hunt from the sky, leaving exception for instances of “biological emergency.” The bill also bumps the fine for aerial hunting from $5,000 to $50,000.

“Shooting wildlife from airplanes is not sport — it is cruel and inhumane,” Feinstein said in a statement. “It undermines the hunting principle of a fair chase and often leads to a slow and painful death for the hunted animals. This practice should be banned.”

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stephenperry
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 12:03 am

“Shooting wildlife from airplanes is not sport — it is cruel and inhumane,” Feinstein said in a statement. “It undermines the hunting principle of a fair chase and often leads to a slow and painful death for the hunted animals. This practice should be banned.” — Senator Dianne Feinstein

Two points. One, how could ANYone seriously argue with any part of the above quote?

Two, I've never been so proud to have voted for Dianne Feinstein as I am after reading that statement.

Anyone who has ever owned a dog should be sickened by the video footage that aired during the 2008 Presidential campaign of big-game hunters shooting helpless Alaskan wolves, who have no means of escape and certainly no means of defense, from the air, either in helicopters or airplanes, with high-powered weapons.

That is not sport, that is not for meat, that is not to increase the caribou herd, and that is not ethical.


CaSunshine
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 1:56 am

I am all for it. If any of you read one of Walter Cronkite's interview back in 1994 with the Los Angeles Times magazine and he was asked how he felt about so many people thinking he should run for President….he answered” Oh yes, been asked by both parties..but don't think they really would want me for the first item of business I would enact is to take away everyone's guns…everyone's”. I like that. These people buying more and more guns because of all their paranoia is worrisome …and just think how much better it would be if Cronkite's wish came true! By the way, please go to ThePetitionSite and sign “Rid the Airwaves of Hate Radio”…for that is the second thing we need to have barred. God it is sickening.


MilliJoolz
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 2:58 am

Let's just hope that these practices will be banned for good. I have not watched those video's, solely because the images will haunt me for a long time. It is inhumane, so unbelievably cruel.

It's hard to fathem <sp??> that it has taken such a long time, and it still isn't signed and definite. But maybe it will be shortly. I can't count the number of petitions I've signed over the past months. And no, not for the meat, for the caribous or any other legitimate reason. Truly a gruesome 'sport'.


Foxfire1
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 1:47 pm

Its not supposed to be a sport. It is another tool to control wildlife and controlled by the division of wildlife biologists. They obviously know what they are doing with all forms of hunting. A hunted poulation is always healthier and produces more young than an unhunted population as an example. Uneducated ecologically lacking politicians should stay out of this arena.


MilliJoolz
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

I am under the strong impression that the aerial shooting of wolves, bears and God knows which other creatures was most definitely considered a sport. Have you seen the video's at all? It's gruesome. Or worse. But maybe I'm too soft.


Support_Common_Sense
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

I couldn't agree with this bill more. What Alaska is doing, is not just unethical it is also unnecessary. Moose and caribou populations are not at risk, they don't need to do this. And, by removing large numbers of predators from an ecosystem, the state is interfering with natural balance which in the long run could do more to hurt the moose and caribou, than help. Yes wolves kill prey but they usually target the weak. Over time that helps strengthen the gene pool of the prey population. It also stops prey from over-running habitat. Messing with nature in this way doesn't make sense. Using an unnecessarily brutal practice to do it, sure doesn't make sense either.


Rubikees
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

You might wish to go back and read a little piece of paper called the Bill of Rights. Maybe concentrate that reading on the 1st and 2nd amendment.


CaSunshine
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Oh I am quite familiar with those rights and defend them, always. Of course, the interpretation of the second amendment has been interpreted way beyond what our founders were talking about and I could also apply that to conservative hate radio and Fox TV. Free speech is a right, surely, but actively spreading lies as truth and trying to incite loonies with their talk is definitely way worse than yelling “Fire” in a crowded theatre, as is usually given. While I knew people would jump on my statement, I will take Cronkite's observation over Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, Beck and the N.R.A…..what a better country this would be if no one had a gun! A girl can dream, can't she???


greg
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

you mean like the high crime rate in England. No thank you


kmansfield
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Let me preface this by saying I am of the liberal bent, not neo-liberal or libertarian. Considering we have 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds prisoners held in jails, would it be logical to assume that 20% of them have been jailed wrongfully, and now these war profiteer / politicians want to remove constitutional rights of our citizens?
That isn't upholding the constitution, but weakening it by applying a designation of sub-citizen to some of them.

I would rather see a law that removes the right of criminally convicted politicians to hold any type public office.
Funny that Diane Feinstien and her husband have a war weapons manufacturing company, and now they have entered the finance world. How about introducing laws against graft, cronyism.

Sometimes I feel like things have gone just too far. The hidden hand of the elites and these criminals in congress no longer even care about the appearance of impropriety. Natural human law will take care of these criminals sooner or later. We may see a Bolshevik-like purge, and they wont be able to say they didn't have it coming.
Better keep your guns. This is about controlling a massive and indignant population-and she can feel the rumblings.
Who said that the government should be afraid of it's citizenry, not the other way around. That's what she is proposing.


Marty
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Take away EVERYONE'S guns? Ah, yes. Kumbayah… First off, the criminals won't obey the law. They're criminals. Secondly, every place that's banned guns has seen an increase in violent crime. No not always as high a rate as in the US, (drugs and gangs tend to drive crime rates, not gun availability,) but their rates have gone up. Finally, there WAS a time when no one had guns. The world, and the highways, were ruled by the most ruthless and brutal. No thanks.


Jim
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Feinstein has the time and energy to deal with wolves?? Meanwhile, her countrymen commit atrocity upon Gaza Arabs, deal in underworld organ sale, Tel Aviv continues as world hub for child sex slavery exchange, Israel refuses to allow nuclear weapon inspections while seeking to destroy Iran, Amdocs/Mosad spies on all USA communications, Emanuel compromises national security as a dual citizen with close ties to Zionist agenda for world domination and of course, Feinstein has no problem sending billions to her homeland every year. Yes, Feinstein has been exposed for creating cozy relationship between herself, her husband and government contract, yet no legal action, all prosecution stalled? All those serving criminals like Feinstein..her bodyguards, her drivers, assistants, gardeners, cooks have sold their soul and should really seek to work for only decent, liberty loving politicians and corporations. Pragmatically speaking, culling excessive number of wolves from helicopters is efficient much like the future killing of patriot hold outs resisting Zionist new world order will be. To think we thought what happened to the folks in Germany and the USSR could never happen in the USA. Thank you traitor Feinstein to your service to Zionist globalist satanists.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

about frigging time. michael vick was demonized, fired, jailed, and bankrupted for killing/fighting dogs for 'sport'. this is the same, or worse. these noble beasts don't even have a straight up chance to defend themselves. barbarous is barbarous. In Palin's (final?) “I Quit” speech she asserted: “This is Alaska and we eat, therefore we hunt.” it wouldn't make me any more inclined to 'sign off' on killing animals by shooting them from planes/helos but i'm pretty sure none of these 'sportsmen' (and i contend that they are neither 'sporting' OR 'men' but mean, little-dicked cheaters that are trying to compensate for their 'short-comings' [physical AND mental] by laying out BIG money to kill magnificent wild beasts.) are 'eating' the wolves that they are slaughtering.

end it, now.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

it's not 'hunting' when you gun down creatures running in open tundra in deep snow from a low and slow plane/helo w/high powered/scoped rifles. it's barbarous. end it now. or, just land, let these guys out, and let them try to hunt these creatures on THEIR turf, on foot, with the same armament.

vietnam was like that. easy killing from the air in open terrain. BIG difference on the ground on an 'equal' footing. ask anyone who was there. i was. and, that will serve as YOUR 'education' for the day.


CaSunshine
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

Ah Yes Marty, I remember that criminals usually don't obey the law..wascully wabbits that they are. How about we forcefully go into gang neighborhoods and raid houses, etc. and get as many of them as we can..as we are slowly giving away our guns. Also, the mafioso crowds…need to get them baddies in jail and get all their caches of guns. No country ever has had the number of shootings we we have..doesn't that give you pause that we need to do something? We have gun shows here that sell everything every heard of to man, and advertise it as a “family weekend”..that is sick. I think we need to take some strong steps to let hunters have guns(have relatives who hunt..lol)…but only one per customer and they have to account for it every year ..just like your car. What is it about Americans that mostly men don't feel like they are “men ” without some guns. My sister says it is because they feel insecure about their small penisis. Oh gosh, how sad..lol! All I know is we have to have very strong laws on what you can buy and also on the type of ammunition available to purchase and act like a civilized society for a change.


CaSunshine
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

No Greg, like the wonder dreamlike low crime rate we could have here with some people realizing that they are just making matters worse. If you have a gun..it is only one gun..and it must be kept locked up and registered every year. Why do some tough rules drive you gun owners paranoid? It would be wonderful to reverse this sickenening black hole we are descending into….by our fear or someone taking a shot at us. You spread so much fear and who does it help….? the NRA and gun and ammunition producer. It certainly is not good for our country.


mossydog
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 12:12 am

So, you are partially responsible for getting this war monger elected. She and her husband are profiting from the carnage in Iraq.

She was one of the powers that protected the telecoms from lawsuits after they illegally spied on millions of Americans phone conversations at the behest of George Bush.

She has supported virtually every anti civil liberties legislation that has come down the pike.

She is anti union ,anti labor, and opposed to prosecuting the crimes of the Bush administration.

She has done one good thing, and you feel proud of her and proud of your vote. Talk about tunnel vision and the inability to think critically. Why don't you pull your head out and shower off.


Carol Harris
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 1:12 am

Dear Senator Feinstein,
Wolves are wonderful intelligent creatrures. They are closely related to my favorite animal, the
dog. I have written so many letters to my congaressman and to Secretary Salazar,. Please help. I cry when I see their bloody bodies on the snow. Wolves are suppose to eat the caribou and the moose. They only take the weak, the old and the young calves. That is how we keep
the environment in sinc.


don
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 12:45 pm

1. Wild animal management should be by scientific study, not emotion. Leave it to the professionals.
2. gun registration has led to confiscation by govermnments repeatedly. Just because I am paranoid does not mean that they are not (or will not) be out to get me.
3. I kind of like the car – gun comparison. As long as I do not take my car or truck off the ranch (always on private property) I do not need to register it, insure it, smog check it, or even need a drivers license.
4 Guns are allowed because they serve the ‘greater good’. 99% of the millions of guns out there hurt nobody. More people die from doctors than guns. But because they save so many more lives, they are not banned.


Dave
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 12:42 pm

Why don't you put a “Unarmed Citizen” sign in your yard? That will make you safe from criminals. The 2nd ammendment means just what it says. It is a right, not a permission granted by a government. Please keep your smiley-faced social crap in the Republik of California and out of the federal relm. In regards to the wolves. Real life is not like a Disney movie. People in cities (we call you citiots) have no business setting wildlife policy. Wolves eat healthy animals. They can run on top of the snow crust, the deer can't. They eat baby animals (Never seen that in a Disney movie have you). You manage the wildlife where you live, leave us alone. There are plenty wolves, butt out!


Ed in Sac
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

How will that stop most crime, which is driven committed by scofflaws who are in most cases on drugs. When laws are passed only the law abiding follow them, the felons by nature do not.

GB got so much violence with their gun laws and honest citizens being cut up in their homes and on the streets they had to outlaw possession of knives and pointed objects for which the person had no legitimate purpose to possess.


ronalddweddlemd
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

Feinstein is an idiot (on this issue as well as almost everything else.) Wolves in Alaska must be controlled to protect other game species. Aerial hunting is an efficient way to locate and kill wolves. The numbers of permits, season dates, limits, etc. are all controlled by the state AS THEY SHOULD BE. Feds should but out and let the professional game managers control this issue.


Boyles
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

Pelosi knows nothing about hunting and if the truth was known, she would like to ban all hunting. She knows nothing about the wilds of Alaska and the need for arial hunting of wolves, which is the only way to control Alaskan wolves. She is an anti-gunner/hunter and a self-centered liar. California should wake up and get rid of her; however, that's unlikely, considering the many liberals like Carol Harris who hasn't a clue that wolves hunt in packs and do take down adult caribou and moose. Amazing, how much these anti-hunters know about hunting! Take the advise of Abraham Lincoln -”It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt!”


MilliJoolz
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

Ex-governor Palin's exact words: “We eat, therefore we hunt”.

How's the wolve's meat?

And the wolves weren't fast enough 'on top of the snow' when they were gunned down now were they? They weren't because they sunk into the snow.
But according to you the wolves don't sink into snow and deer do, therefore it is not fair for the wolf to be hunting deer and have to be shot. Something doesn't seem right in your story…


EdinSac
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

A person in the US can yell “fire” in a crowded theater, but they are subject to prosecution for any resulting injury. That how we delegate personal responsibility for ones actions. It is also a good reason not to believe everything someone shouts out without question.

Don't be a member of a herd always following the leader. Be an individual and forge your own path….I think our founding fathers would agree with this.


EdinSac
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

Think ex Gov. Palin's remark about hunting applied to Alaskan culture. For most of us in the US, it would more accuratley be: “we eat meat therefore we have slauughterhouses.” Visit one sometime before your next hamburger.


Marty
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Well, as far as forcefully going into houses and confiscating guns, and throwing all the gang members in jail, yes that sounds good on the surface. However, this isn't Nazi Germany. Unfortunately, the laws that keep us free can be exploited by gang members and drug dealers. I suppose that's one of the downsides of freedom, but as Benjamin Franklin put it, (as closely as I can remember the quote,) “anyone who will give up freedom for security deserves neither.”
As for only allowing “hunters” to have one gun apiece, and accounting for it every year, what difference could that possibly make, aside from bales of paperwork? Honest people aren't committing all the mayhem, and cases where some normal person flies off the handle and murders someone are actually extremely rare. There is almost always a long string of police calls and violence before the final crime takes place. Also, people who have to live in or near bad neighborhoods, or walk through a dark parking lot after work, may not be interested in “hunting.” The police can not, and are not legally responsible, for protecting you. The best they can do is to catch your murderer.
As for limiting ammo purchases, one box of 50 cartridges would supply a criminal for his entire “career.”
As for the “small penis” remark, that is often brought up by gun control advocates, but it says much more about the person making the accusation than the people buying the guns.


sherlach
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Could you tell me how the ACLU at the forefront of gun controll gets along with the NRA??? Also, what is a progressive NRA. Is that a wet spot i see on the front of your pants.You liberals can really draw up some magnifecent discriptions of people you don't know.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

Since English seems to be a second language for you (as cave-dwelling 'grunting' seems to be your first), let me translate neanderthal.

1) The ACLU is all about 'liberties' (you know speech, assembly, 2nd amendment, etc) and for us higher functioning beings (sorry but your forehead DOES limit you), standing up for all manner of liberty including 'civil' ones, isn't a mutually exclusive combo.

'progressive NRA' isn't 'read' that way (again see #1) it's 'read' (sounds like 'red' here, knuckle-dragger) “I am a card carrying ACLU – AND – NRA progressive…”. It's a 'sentence' building block, and, time and space don't allow, and, i'm NOT inclined, to help you here, so, you'll have to help yourself:
http://www.webenglishteacher.com/sentences.html

btw, i'm up HERE, what the fu*k are you staring at my pants for faggot?


sherlach
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Gotcha sonny,pardon me while i go climb my tree. The ACLU is all about liberties for a lot of things,except christians,boy scouts,and freedom to be left alone from bottom feeders,like themselves.They live on law suits.UGH!


sherlach
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

Boy, if i was smart like you,i could really make something out of a screen name like kennethe……tucker.Have your momma wash your mouth out sonny.I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney,than for a car ride with Ted Kennedy.


MilliJoolz
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

I'm a vegetarian, have been since I was 21. At that time I lived around the corner from a slaughterhouse, and that was my no. 1 reason. Anything else?


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

'IF' is the 'key' word here, sherlach, IF you were as smart and, not some frightened little chickensh*t chickenhawk (like 5 Deferments, [WHAT A]DICK Cheney) as me you wouldn't be hiding behind a 'nic' like 'sherlack', you'd use your name too – and – you wouldn't be so:

> frightened of living/being that you needed some 'sky god' to 'protect you'

> enamored of a group founded by a pedophile and still carrying out that 'vision' today (“boy scouts' +pedophile > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22boy+scouts%27…

> stupid as to get sold on a reich-wing bill of goods & vote against your own self interests. you, i figure to be JUST like Rush LimpBalls [in many ways, i'm sure], virulently anti-ACLU right up to when the government/state [FL in LimpBall's case] get's into your sh*t THEN turning and running into their 'civil liberties' protecting arms to 'save' you. it's OK, we know, it's ALL BS grounded in 'fear'. and, while we won't 'forgive' you [we 'non-believers' will leave that to you small 'c' [fake] christians] we'll continue to tolerate you.

…you'd be me! SUCKS to be you! You betcha! 'Wink!


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

'sonny'… ? Spare me the Larry (I'm NOT gay I just love cock) Craig terms of endearment, 'sherlach', i can ASSure you, i'm not you 'type':

> little 'c' christian (sky god nonsense babbling and alter boy molesting)

> boy scout 'enamored', how gay can you get? the founder* was a pedophile and it's second only to the catholic church as a place to prey on kids.

* Englishman Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell.

He created the Boy Scouts in 1907, shortly after returning to England from a tour of duty as a cavalry officer in South Africa. During the Boer War he successfully commanded a vastly outnumbered force of 1,250 men during the siege of Mafeking, and he went home a national hero. Within just a few years, the Scouts had spread throughout the British Empire, Europe, and the United States, and almost from the beginning there were scoutmasters who loved their little charges not wisely but too well. One naughty leader after another trailed sadly through the courtrooms, to the delight of the dirty London tabloids.

Although Baden-Powell himself never landed in court, he was certainly a strange man. He was obsessed with boys and “boyology.” The index of Tim Jeal's excellent biography Baden-Powell speaks of his “aesthetic and sexual interest in men,” “pre-marital celibacy,” “dreams of young men,” and “anxieties over sexuality.”

http://www.slate.com/id/33821/

> ask Rush LimpBalls about the ACLU and 'freedom'. If it weren't for the ACLU*, LimpBalls would have had to surrender his doctor (shopping) medical records and his BIG ass would still b ein jail for doctor shopping hill billy heroin. 'hater' turned believer, that one. though, i'm sure today he STILL doesn't have anything good to say about them, it's just his/your 'way'. it's 'ok', we'll continue to ignore you for the most part and tolerate you the rest of the time. 'sonny'.

* ACLU Comes to Rush Limbaugh's Defense

Monday, January 12, 2004

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Talk radio host Rush Limbaugh (search) probably never expected the American Civil Liberties Union (search) to become one of his staunch supporters.

But the privacy rights group was on his side Monday when its Florida branch filed a “friend-of-court” motion on behalf of Limbaugh arguing state officials were wrong in seizing his medical records for their drug probe.

“For many people, it may seem odd that the ACLU has come to the defense of Rush Limbaugh,” ACLU of Florida Executive Director Howard Simon said in a released statement.

“But we have always said that the ACLU's real client is the Bill of Rights, and we will continue to safeguard the values of equality, fairness and privacy for everyone, regardless of race, economic status or political point of view,” Simon said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html

btw, IF you were as smart as me, you wouldn't be 'you' and, i'm SURE it SUCKS to be you! You Betcha! Wink !!


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

'whistling past the graveyard' there 'marty': “As for the “small penis” remark, that is often brought up by gun control advocates, but it says much more about the person making the accusation than the people buying the guns.”

you keep right on telling yourself that if it 'helps', marty. probably own (or covet) a Hummer too, don't you?

it's ALL about 'compensation'. big 'truck', big 'gun', kill helpless animals… what a (shitty excuse for a) 'man'.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

MUST be a RushLimpBalls or Glenn 'Herr' Beck kinda guy, eh Greg? The facts:

Murder rate at lowest for 20 years

• Overall rate in England and Wales remains stable
• Burglary, fraud and shoplifting all rise

The murder rate in England and Wales has fallen to its lowest level in 20 years, with 648 homicides recorded in 2008/09 – 136 fewer than the year before. Home Office statisticians said the drop was “not a blip”.

Annual crime figures published yesterday show the number of murders and manslaughters and infanticides fell to a level not seen since 1989.
________________________

Those would be 'facts', I know… hard to 'recognize' with that little brain, arn't they. 648 killed, this in a country with ~ 62M people = less than 1/100,000.
(2009) http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/16/crime-…

The gun crazy US? ~300M people and… 16,692 = 5.6/100,000 (2005 FBI #s)
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html

Almost 6X more likely to be killed here, the US v 'England'. That's a 'fact', jack.


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mike
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 12:07 am

Shooting wolves from the air is not hunting,it is the most economical method to control a predator that left unchecked would decimate the caribou and moose like they are doing in wyoming and montana. The animal world is a cycle when there is lots of food you grow more predators, when food source is depleted predators die off and the cycle starts over again in order to have stable populations of all animals and avoid the highs and lows it is nessesary to cull whichever is out of balance to maintain healthy populations and habitat in which they live. With the remoteness of alaska control by air is the most efficient, which is a word most polititions have never heard of. I would like to see our senator and speaker spend more time looking out for the people of Calif. they are big supporters of delta smelt, salmon, and killer whales all at the expence of 60 to 80,000 jobs and 400,000 acres of farmland on the west side of the San Joaquin valley that has been dried up so these fish can live wonderful lives while thousands of people are put out of work at a time when we need jobs. Having a safe and stable food supply should be priority 1, buying our food from other countries that do not follow our stringent food safety regulations is leaving us open to tainted food just like the chinese do with the toy and cloths they send over here.The senator is also for legalizing the undocumented workers and making them citizens, then she dries up the farmland and thus puts them out of work , so now we have new citizens who are depentant on the government for housing and food and guess what , yep, they can now vote, and the liberals love people in need, once you become selfsufficient you dont need them and they dont like that. You see, your vote is the only thing of value to a liberal ,so they will never allow you to become anything but dependant on them for your needs because to do so would cost them their power over you ,and they will not let that happen. What we are seeing in washington is the largest power grab in the history of this country, the only thing holding them back is the second amendment, and they are desperate abolish that, for they know that until we are disarmed they cannot take away our freedom, remember an armed citizen is a free man, a disarmed citizen will soon be a government slave, in world war 2 Japan did not attack our home shores because they new most Americans were armed. Our founders put the 2nd amendment in the bill of rights to keep our government from becoming oppressive which is what they were fleeing when the came to the new world. If you want an eye opener everyone should read the constitution and the bill of rights, I did and I think you will get a feel of what our founders meant, read their words and make up your own mind as to what they meant, dont be a sheep. Just google them and read its that easy.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:51 am

California supports the rest of the nation, doofus. We don’t get back $1.00 for every dollar we send to the Federal government.

In fact, California’s economic problems are affecting the nation, precisely because the rest of the nation (mostly the Red states!) has historically depended on Californian largesse to stay afloat. Our money pays for your benefits packages and infrastructure.

But not this year! So I actually do hope California’s bandaged economy breaks. It needs to be rebuilt, along with the crappy legislative rules that allow the minority Republican party to fuck up every budget.

The best part will be watching doofuses like you whine and complain about not getting your government handout because the Feds can’t do it without Golden State money.

DUMB ASS.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:56 am

“So, you are partially responsible for getting this war monger elected.”

Well, let’s hope so! I sure am happy she’s representing me.

Sounds like you’re unhappy. Better move out of California. Dianne’s going to be here long after you get finished having your tantrum, little one.


Marty
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 12:58 am

No, I don't drive a Hummer, I drive a Scion Xb. :) I don't hunt, but I love target shooting with various pistols. If you want to get personal, insulting, and emotional, go for it. That's about all gun control advocates have to argue with any more. The results of the last 40 some years of modern gun control have proven to be the best argument AGAINST gun control that anyone could conceive.


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 1:58 am

mike, typical….

all bluster and 2nd amendment, 'gun grabbers' and 'read the constitution' BS… like YOU gun clutching chickensh*t's actually READ anything, ever! wow… different herds around AK (there are 32 separate herds) are mostly stressed by OVERHUNTING. including dipsh*t's flying in from around the country to pay BIG $$ to 'be a man' in the wilderness. i got news for you, and your 'needy',gun-clutching girlfriends. that gun doesn't make you a man. and, it's much more like to be stolen and/or used by you or your kids to hurt immediate family than a 'bad guy'. but hey, i get it, you're 'afraid'. i just wish you weren't so stupid. then, you wouldn't be so afraid.

YOU might want to try reading the AK Dept of Wildlife and National Park Services excerpts below: Hunting: Alaskan hunters shoot about 22,000 caribou each year for food. A few thousand other hunters, primarily from the lower 48 states, Europe, and Mexico, travel to Alaska to experience caribou hunting each fall. These hunters contribute significantly to the economy of the state, particularly in rural areas. Meat from caribou taken by these nonresident hunters is also required to be used for food. Alaska's great caribou herds have also become increasingly treasured as a natural wonder of state, national, and international importance.

Population dynamics: There are approximately 950,000 wild caribou in Alaska (including some herds that are shared by Alaska and Canada's Yukon Territory). Caribou are somewhat cyclic in number, but the timing of declines and increases, and the size to which herds grow is not very predictable. Although overhunting caused some herds to remain low in the past, today, varying weather patterns (climate), overpopulation, predation by wolves and grizzly bears, and disease outbreaks determine whether most herds increase or decrease.
http://www.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/notebook/bigga…

Kim Murphy at the Greenspace blog has the details:

The predator control effort has run into opposition from the National Park Service, which manages the nearby Yukon-Charley Rivers National Preserve, where biologists have been radio-collaring wolves in a long-running study of how predators and prey interact in the 2.5-million-acre wilderness near the Canadian border.

The Alaska Department of Fish and Game, aiming to boost the survival of caribou calves, wants to kill up to 328 wolves, leaving behind at least 88 to 103. Killing them, state officials say, will allow the Fortymile caribou herd, ravaged by three years of bad weather and heavy snow, to expand from its current level of 40,000 animals to as many as 100,000.

There are several problems with that, according to the park service. First, park officials believe there aren't nearly as many wolves as state officials estimate and that killing so many could devastate the packs. Second, the Fortymile herd hasn't approached 100,000 since the early 1900s. And preserve Supt. Greg Dudgeon fears some of the preserve's collared wolves, along with others that typically make the preserve their home, could be shot.

“They [the state] have a mandate to provide for maximum sustained yield. They want to provide more moose and caribou for people to harvest,” Dudgeon said. “Our mandate is to manage and provide for healthy populations of wildlife. So we don't place the value of a wolf over a caribou, or a caribou over a moose.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/…


soddomwhosane
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:03 am

Sherlach,you are big time tool.


mike
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:26 am

Kennethetucker

I guess you've got a problem with people eating meat, you see I would rather see humans eating caribou than wolves, you and senator Feinstein should go have a beer together you sound like birds of a feather, she is more interested in the livelyhood of fish than of the people in Calif.

And no a big gun does not make a big man, but neither does a big mouth, if someone should threaten our families all you can do is shoot off you mouth, I will have another choice.

I am sure some foul language will soon follow because when liberals run out of substance (which doesn't take long) all they have left is name calling. so to give you something to chew on (pun intended) if you are a vegetarian I can respect that you don't want any animals killed, but if you are not ,don't judge me because I am willing to do the deed myself while you allow McDonalds to do it for you.This will be my final comment to you as I am sure I would wasting my breath. ps. people 1st animals 2nd the way God meant it to be.


JIM D
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:52 am

Not sure where you are getting your info but you should maybe do a little research.You can not get everything known to man. The types of firearms are very much regulated, to much in my opinion. when you state your fears the way you do I laughed. Here is a little fact for you. Your government and nightly news are lying to you. Either on purpose or they are both incredibly stupid. The guns you saw being smuggled to mexico are NOT sold at gun shows like the idiots in the senate led you to believe. They are military weapons sold to the mexican army by our goverment. Our senators know this yet they still blame it on americas gun culture. Why? so I suggest you do a little searching for the truth, you will be surprised and understand why 80 + million of us own guns and are stocking up on ammo of all kinds. A hint: ( it has nothing to do with a little pener.)


JIM D
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Then move to England!!! paradise


JIM D
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:05 am

OMG calif deserves to go bankrupt, It scares the crap out of me all you people leaving the state. where are you moving to? it was good having them all in one group on the other side of the fault line. Still waiting for the big one………


mike
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:47 am

Jim D

Glad to know there is more then one of us out there, gives me hope 2010.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:24 am

It's not about predator control, gomer.

All that bullshit got dealt with by World Wildlife Fund and others at the time that Caribou Barbie first made national news.

The predator control thing is a canard. They poison wolf cubs in their dens to control the wolf population. Shooting wolves from the air or otherwise is just cruel sport.

All the badly-written gibberish slung into one huge unbroken paragraph doesn't change that.

You can shove the other end of your gun up your ass. The bluster doesn't work on me.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:27 am

WB, ken. How goes?

I've been kicking frank's ass up and down the birther movement thread. Tuci's been trying to lick my ass on every thread.

Frightening and hilarious times, these are, my friend.

Thanks for the link above. Who knew that there are idiots who ARE NOT confirmed birthers on this site?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:28 am

Hear, hear!


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:30 am

LMAO. You're one to talk about “magnifecent discriptions” (HELLO… DICTIONARY?) of people you don't know.

kennethetucker would skin your pathetic ass alive with a butter knife while you were trying to figure out how to get the safety on your dad's .22 rifle set to “off.”

DUMB ASS.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:34 am

“Feinstein has the time and energy to deal with wolves??”

Yes. Ignoring dumbasses who repeat the word “Zionist” three times without knowing what it means really frees up some time on the ol' Senatorial Day Planner.

DUMB ASS. Shooting wolves from helicopters or airplanes is not “culling” them. It's cruelty practiced by losers who would run in terror from a scrawny guy like me if I bitch-slapped them in a bar.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:35 am

Agreed. Thank you for posting.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:37 am

IF what you said was true, they would only allow wildlife biologists to do the “controlling.”

The fact that they allow big game hunters to pay for the privilege belies your argument.

Fail. But relatively polite fail. So you get a 59 instead of a zero.


mike
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:39 am

Stephenperry

Right they trapes around the remote wilderness looking for wolf dens when they can just wait and shoot them from the air, you just proved you believe anything greenpiece says, you are a sheep, listen for the bell that the mule wears so you can find your way to the trough.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Remember that news story last year about a little boy who killed himself by shooting an automatic rifle at a gun show on the East Coast? It was obviously more than the boy (I think he was all of six!) could handle. His dad wasn't paying attention. Kid shot himself when the gun went off, stuck in “automatic fire,” and sprayed rounds all over the place, including his own body.

Gee, what fun! Can you imagine what a thrill the dad got out of the experience? And the loving mother who had to hear about little Junior's unfortunate accident?

I'm as patriotic as anyone you'll ever meet. I am as protective of my house and guests as anyone. I'd rip your throat out if you broke into my house.

But I'm not dumb enough to think American civilians need assault weapons for any reason. Those of you who have weird gun obsessions can have Idaho with my compliments. The rest of us have a civilization to participate in.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:43 am

“The police can not, and are not legally responsible, for protecting you.”

That smell you're giving off is batshit, Marty. It means you're crazy.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:45 am

Great Britain has fewer violent crimes than any major U.S. city.

Where do you get your information? The NRA?

Post a link to the absurdity about outlawing knives because of gun violence in Great Britain. I've actually spent time in England. Have you?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:47 am

“Wolves eat healthy animals.”

No. They don't. They eat the slow, the young, the weak, the sick.

But even if they did, does that somehow mean you should get to compensate for having a tiny weenie by going up in a plane and shooting them?

If you think it should mean that, Bubba, all you gotta do is get Sarah Palin elected President.

I won't hold my breath, you trigger-happy dumb ass.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:52 am

mike,

It's “traipse.” And you're a fucking idiot. They do in fact go to wolf dens to poison pups. Precisely because THAT is how the wildlife biologists do predator control. Aerial hunting is not intended to be predator control. It is done by hunters. Who consider it sport.

This returns me to my original point. You're a fucking idiot.

Thanks,

Stephen


mike
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:13 am

Stephenperry
Glad you can spell, its the only thing you've got right, so you know they poison pups because you've been there, read about it, or watched a animal rights video?and try to come up with something other than( fucking idiot), your starting to sound like you have reached the end of your vocabulary.


GBRockon
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:23 am

with a line like:
“vietnam was like that. easy killing from the air in open terrain. BIG difference on the ground on an 'equal' footing. ask anyone who was there. i was.”, That's proof that kennethetucker was not a gunner on a helicopter. ACLU stands for Anarchists, Communists, Lawyers, United. Feinstein is one of the richest women in the world. and she got all those diamonds after becoming Senator. She's awarded war contracts for massive profits, she's guided trade from China to her really big purse, and she stands to make millions and millions on the “Cap and trade” swindle. Does anyone really think she gives a hoot about wolves? She has a concealed carry permit and she's a leader in trying to take our guns away! She's pushing the anti-gun and anti-hunting agendas for cover from corruption prosecution!


Marty
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 1:19 pm

stephenperry wrote
California supports the rest of the nation, doofus.

HOLY COW!! :) California is BROKE! Businesses are leaving! The state just paid off it’s employees with IOU’s, which most banks wouldn’t honor! They buy a lot of their electricity from other states, because they can’t produce enough of their own! What planet have YOU been on? How can anyone even have a rational debate with someone who is so disconnected from reality? :D


Anonymous
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

Congratulations on choosing the vegan way of life, am sure your conscience is clear on the subject. Was wondering why you are obsessed with the “can walk on the snow?” It only means they are lighter than dear and in some snow conditions will be able to get to prey who have fallen into the deep snow…under certain conditions.

btw, what was the name of the slaughterhouse and what city??


Name
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

“The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn’t even make the “top 10″ list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that “levels of victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most categories of crime.”"

It goes on to say that the murder rate is much higher in the US, but violet crime including home invasions is far greater in GB

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902


MilliJoolz
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

Removed


MilliJoolz
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Removed.


sherlach
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 12:15 pm

You need a sky GOD more than me,you're sick,i'll pray for you.See your psychiatrist,before you kill someone,hero. Would you want your parents to here you talk that way.


sherlach
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

Some of you guys on here seem to be enamored with homosexuality,and other filthy,i'm out of here,but will pray for you big tough heros. ACLU is'nt good enough to suck.If you ever heard of the bible.Find a copy,and read Romans the second chapter.ACLU is busy trying to give away national security info,along with their running mate, the New York Times. Bye, you big limp wrists!


Marty
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 1:08 pm

stevenperry wrote:
“The police can not, and are not legally responsible, for protecting you.”

That smell you're giving off is batshit, Marty. It means you're crazy.

No. People have repeatedly tried suing the police for failing to protect them any number of times, including those who had obtained restraining orders, as you can well imagine in today's litigious society. The court decision has consistently been that the police are NOT responsible for protecting you. Also, common sense will tell you that the police can't always be there to protect you.


JIM D
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

It’s really not even fun arguing with these fucking idiots. But it makes one wunder where they get their info from.And are they serious or just being silly?


JIM D
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

WTF is wrong with you? most of the red states are not in a financial mess, sure they have noticed a downturn but have dealt with it very well. The blue states on the other hand have a rude awakening on the horizon and it is coming.If you like it or not america will rise up this socialist shit will not be tolerated. As for me waiting for a government handout SORRY PAL I am one of the most self sufficient sons o bitches you will ever meet. The only thing I need to get outside my own little world is salt. I am surrounded by Amish and we have our own little tax free economy that the gov has no control over, and it works just fine


MilliJoolz
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

EdinSac:
“Congratulations on choosing the vegan way of life, am sure your conscience is clear on the subject. Was wondering why you are obsessed with the “can walk on the snow?” “

btw, what was the name of the slaughterhouse and what city??

***************************
I'm not a vegan, I eat eggs and fish and cheese, preferably Gouda…

The 'wolves walk on snow' comments are referring to an other post here (tried to find it but is is drowning in other posts about unrelated issues to the original subject) from someone who stated that one of the reasons to shoot wolves is that they hunt for deer. The deer cannot walk on the snow, wolves can. Therefore is is okay to shoot the wolves. Go figure.

The slaughterhouse I mentioned was on the Jan van Galenstraat, Amsterdam (born and raised there), Netherlands. I lived on the Kostverlorengracht. I don't know if the slaughterhouse is still there tho. It is not a place to go see when I'm visiting.

I don't remember if the slaughterhouse had a name. I don't think it did. Why would you want to know anyway?


Marty
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

It’s really not even fun arguing with these fucking idiots. But it makes one wunder where they get their info from.And are they serious or just being silly?

I have to agree. It can be stimulating reading things one doesn’t agree with, and debating facts with people with opposing views, but trying to even figure out what factual backup these people have for their beliefs is like trying to swat flies with a sledge hammer.


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

re: “That's proof that kennethetucker was not a gunner on a helicopter.” never said i WAS a helo/gunner, I was on a helo carrier with the 9th MAU and, though second hand knowledge, i came from door gunners. so… instead of addressing the issues/facts, you, of course, would rather get 'cute' with ACLU initials. remember that if/when the govt get's into your SH*T just like they did RushLimpBalls and you'll be looking for their number to get the govt off your back/protect your civil liberties. or, not. most whiners are pure hypocrites, i wouldn't figure you to be any different than that drug-addled sack of sh*t LimpBalls.


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

god, guns, and no guts. just another gun clutching, 'sky god wishin/hoping/praying' fool & thumb sucker ranting about the black helos and liberal gun grabbers. whaaa. not to gun nuts, you're making a SERIOUS mistake assuming that progressives/liberals aren't armed too. as a matter of fact a couple of us JUST got back from touching off a dozen clips of 7.62 thru an AK-47 on our 70 acres up here in the woods. i'm not, and most aren't even close to that latte sipping, volvo driving upper west side of manhattan lib 'straw man' that you guys would like to THINK is your enemy. your REAL enemy is your stupidity, and, that's not reparable, ignorance is, stupidity, no. good luck with that (not). SUCKS to be you, you betcha !! Wink!!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

I was only asking about your location because the slaughterhouses I have been near in the US are so large it is hard to conceive living within a block of them. Omaha, NB was the worst, but am sure someone can state otherwise. Still, I eat meat and would hunt if I lived in a place like Alaska


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

“little brains” (that's what we call you behind your backs, btw) are the only ones, just like primitive peoples/cultures that need priests to control them and a 'sky god' to 'mind'. advanced cultures and peoples, not so much. we KNOW right from wrong and don't need to be 'threatened' to keep from humping the staffer's wife (Ensign), begging for bathroom cock (Craig), acting out in diapers w/hookers (Vitter), running off to Argentina (Sanford) we'll leave that to you VERY small 'c' christians ot work thru. it's ALL in your head, but, being the little brain that you are, that is never going to register.

as for my parents, one here and one gone. and neither were/are big religious proponents either. we got sent (as kids) to religious indoctrination (it ws the 50's/60's) ONLY because back then ifyou didn't go you had to sit in a study hall and got 'tagged' as some kinda commie atheist. wanting to spare us that sh*t, they MADE us go, and let us 'off' as soon as we were 'confirmed'.

only thing religious indoctrination 'confirmed' for me was that it was all nonsense designed to control the like of you, the little brains, that did have good parent capable of teaching them right from wrong as HUMANS, not 'sky god' idolators.

so, save that 'sky god' and praying for you and yours, frightened little man.


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

this from a guy staring at my pants and calling me 'sonny'.

looks like a long weekend of bible thumping and clip loading for this frightened little brain.

SUCKS to be you! You Betcha! Wink!


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

bzbzbzbz end ofmonth push and tho i've got some Db work and templates to build this weekend i 'm DEFINITELY 'gonna get me some' of these reich-wingers..

tag and bag time, sp


Marty
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 4:02 am

CaSunshine, I have to admit boredom is overtaking me… :) The quote from Ben Franklin didn’t have as much to do about stocking up on guns as it did your suggestion of having the police break into people’s homes to confiscate guns, and throw all gang members in jail.
You’re the one bringing up blacks and hispanics… I never mentioned anything about race. It seems to be most often the “progressives” that seem to have a fixation there. Myself, I never felt a practical need for a loaded gun under my bed until some young folks from a nearby town (all white,) informed my daughter after a falling out of some kind that they’d kill her if there were any drug busts in their town. Yes, we went to the police, but they didn’t even offer to keep a closer eye on our house. Fortunately, I never needed the gun, and it still lies secure in a push-button gun safe. My heart goes out to the good people having to live in rougher neighborhoods because they can’t afford to move out. I DO think they should be able to defend themselves, no matter what the color of their skin.
Again, good people have no desire to kill other people, no matter what their race. I grew up around literally hundreds of guns, and my family life was less than idyllic. Still, the thought of killing other people simply didn’t occur.
Registering guns like cars? Actually, most of the reason for all the paperwork involving cars has more to do with raising money for the state than it does public safety. I couldn’t care less how many cars my neighbor owns, or what kind. I really don’t care if my neighbor’s licenses are up to date. As far as registering guns, historically, registration is almost always followed by some degree of confiscation. And again, criminals will be no more likely to register their weapons than they would turn them in.
Kids finding guns on the nightstand, etc? Guns are potentially dangerous, and a level of responsibility comes with owning them, much like power tools, pesticides, toilet cleaner, etc. Anyone having guns has a responsibility to educate their children about them and keep their guns away from other children, or adults, who may be ignorant of such things. Most gun owners do these things. People involved the the drug business seldom do, and that’s where most of these tragedies occur. Should we outlaw swimming pools? A child is one hundred times more likely to die in a home with a swimming pool than a gun. Most of the other stuff about killing other family members is actually extremely rare. Successful defensive uses of firearms, where the gun is seldom fired, (decent people don’t want to shoot other people,) are much more common, but seldom make the news. Sounds like many of your assumptions come from the long discredited “Kellerman study.”
As for the rest of your witty gab about penis size, owning guns to feel “manly,” etc, etc, etc, no, you didn’t hit a nerve. I’ve heard it all before. But you are beginning to bore me. I sincerely wish you all well. Most everything has been said at least once. I’m outta here.


CaSunshine
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Stephen, you seem to be one of the only sensible men who has answered my post. I posted originally about Cronkite's statement in 1994 that if he had run and been elected…the first thing he would do was take away everyone's guns. Boy…he sure was a unrealistic wimp…lol! I really don't think we can ever rid our country of guns, but , like you, I think assault weapons, rocket launchers, and the new ammunition that shatters inside a person's body and according to ER physicians causes much more damage and deaths are definitely not to be owned by any citizen. So many police forces say there is a madness going on in our society and people are stocking up on everything. That is sick, in my opinion. As for giving them Idaho..it is a beautiful state…but sure….let them all go there and shoot each other..lol.


CaSunshine
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:18 am

JIM D…last thing I want to research are anything about guns…what I said was from things read in papers and computer over the years. I am glad when I stated my fears..it made you laugh…like to bring cheer instead of sadness to this world.! Oh my gosh, you really threw me a curve when you told me my gov. and nightly news was lying to me…who would've thunk? You are a Fox Channel viewer, I take it….. I didn't know our gov. was smuggling military weapons to Mexico..I live near the border….I should go down there and stake it out, perhaps. Wow, this was shocking..no wonder our senators can't get any positive work done…too busy overseeing the gun smuggling! And lastly, I guess I struck a sensitive chord in you in my remark about the little pener…size never matterred to me..it is my sister's line..but I can see that to help you feel more manly, you are doing the only thing you know to do in that case…stock up on guns. Wow…what a guy..lol!


CaSunshine
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Marty, I guess , even tho I am from Phila., home of Ben Franklin,” giving up freedom for security deserves neither”…makes me wonder how you interpret that for all to stock up on guns? You only measure security by how many you have? Never had a gun in our house..lived here 45.years..never a crime..and have blacks and hispanics as neighbor…………oooooooooooooooooooooo!! You disagree with hunters limited to one gun apiece because it would cause mounds of paperwork? Well, then stop registering cars and filling out Ins. forms….they are driving me crazy! Glad to hear Honest people are not committing all the mayhem…I realize the story after story of guys or gals shooting their whole family because of some problem they have must just appear on my computer or local paper. Kids getting into guns kept on night stands and shooting themselves or sister, etc. They say most people mistakenly shoot someone in the family coming in late at night or a friend instead of a criminal…maybe we need to give free eye exams for night vision on gun owners. I can see you have a real love of living in a crazy world where everyone is under suspicion by you and you have to have those guns around to feel manly. Can't even imagine anything other than that. And as I told the other guy, my statement about' small penises' is one my sister told me..and I laughed….size never mattered with me..but I guess I hit a nerve with you and I sincerely offer my apologies for joking about your disability.


CaSunshine
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:36 am

Edin Sac..not sure what you are referring to..but agree about being individual and being very careful whom you decide to follow..for there are so many people filled with hatred and fear in our society, Onward and upward to a better America. God bless Obama.


MilliJoolz
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:46 am

He is, and don't forget Kenneth. I totally agree with every restriction for guns and alike. The NRA argues that students should be allowed to carry a gun. If they had been, many school shootings would have been stopped before they began the NRA claims. How do you reason with anyone who feels they have to have guns, and more guns. It's a vicious spiral and I doubt if there will ever be a turning point.


EdinSac
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 2:13 am

One nice thing about the Second Amendment…it does not require you to keep and bear arms. If it is your choice not to bear arms, then fine. If you honestly feel that law abiding citizens with guns are some how a threat to your person, then you should actively work towards redefining the second amendment in the manner provided for by the Constitution. Anything else is just…well ILLEGAL!


GBRockon
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 7:17 am

The topic was about Feinstein and Cardin pushing their anti-hunting and anti-gun agendas. “Diamonds Dianne's” image is as phony as the ACLU. kennethetucker probably also believes in the tooth fairy and the easter bunny. Diamonds Dianne is all about money and keeping her Senate seat so she make more money. In days past, that was called corruption. With the most corrupt congress ever in this country's history, it's not called corruption anymore. It's more polite to talk about lobbies and foreign contributions. 99.5% of the cases that the ACLU actively files and joins, are anti-christian, pro-drug, anti-boy scouts, anti-business, and anti-American. They make a public statement once in a while that sounds like a pro-civil liberty position, just for show. Make no mistake, the ACLU and Dianne Feinstein have more in common than not, when it comes to implementing the communist manifesto. Wolves are a money-maker for politicians and environmental groups, who only care about keeping their +$200,000 annual salaries and their liberal travel budgets. Federal law already adequately protects wolves from being an endangered species. This current publicity is all about distraction from real issues and keeping the money machine churning.


CaSunshine
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

Marty, Marty, Marty, I must say you have given me some chuckles at your love of your guns and your highly emotional defense of your manly right to defend yourself……but now I got to admit and agree with you that you have also now reached the boredom level. Believe it or not, yes I understood what Franklin meant..after all, I have four sons and daughter-in-laws that teach history and have a husband who is quite literate on it all..and thankfully, they guide me through these quotes that are too hard for my widdle mind to understand..lol! I brought up blacks and hispanics because they are usually the ones everyone blames for crimes and I am glad to hear that you are not one of these and are only scared of dumb white criminals. Good for you for not being racist… I am a progressive in many areas but did not know I was supposed to have a “fixation” about race….I was raised to be fair-minded about all races and lived in the South and North and saw racism in all forms. Now someone(whose name I chose to forget) has insulted my beloved state of California. You are very right that our Republican Gov. Arnold has done a terrible job and the democratic assembly is not any better. The state constitution needs to be changed to not require a two-thirds vote of matters. But, I hope we progressives can evoke a change. To the person who wrote it…”You think our country is in better shape”? I think America is lucky to have an intelligent President who is trying to rectify many problems and I think we should all try to help and wish him well. Now back to you Marty, my scholar. I know how upset you must have felt when your daughter was threatened…had some punks beat up my youngest son walking home from school…Took him to one of the kid's home..told mother and said my son was ready to fight her son in a fair fight..one on one. She was so mad at her son and apologized profusely and she..not me…called the school and reported them all for what they did to my son. Told my son..give them time and they will all be in jail.and guess what?…by high school..they were! And my son went on to be a college grad. All settled with no guns. We live in an upper middle class neighborhood…and don't move out…because we are too lazy to…like our home! I have an “adopted daughter and her family”, who are hispanic, whom I met when I worked at our church's office and I am thankful that for 13 years I have known them and learned about the Mexican way of life and they have learned about life here in U.S.and some of our customs, etc. We have a sheriff living next door and I really don't have faith in the police keeping everyone safe. Ours are always at Starbucks ! Restraining orders are nothing…people ignore them and I think if a person threatens someone…they need some jail time..not be told to stay 10 yards away..what good does that do? Too many murders of wives in and around here by ex-boyfriends or husbands who were served with restraining orders. Ok..where was I in your long posting.?..oh glad to see you keep your gun in a gun safe..you are to be commended. People who feel the need to have a registered gun need to keep it in a gun safe and poorer people should be provided one..perhaps by the N.R A, huh? You mentioned again that good people have no desire to kill other people and I agree..except at times circumstances and emotions run hot and high and even good people lose it! I think having a gun handy can help them escalate a disagreement with a relative or neighbor into more than a disagreement! So you can shout and ask them to leave..but you don't have to decide to shut them up that way! (using you…not in the singular sense). I had a wonderful childhood..never saw a gun..but my husband grew up with a father who kept a gun in his top drawer of bureau, and totally out of fear from father's orders.,.not one of the six kids ever went near it. Italian fathers instill this fear of disobedience..lol. I can see you have a problem with paper work and gun licensing. You have a fear of confiscation after registering. Have you had your car confisgated..is that why the fear? Maybe people for Gun Control could be counted on to take care of paper work…would that be better than the state and federal gov.? I agree with you that power tools, pesticides, etc are dangerous and yes, we have a responsibility to educate children about them and keep them where they are not easy for them to reach. My only problem with that reasoning is that pesticides, etc. ar e not made for one purpose..to shoot someone to main or kill.. Guns are.! I know there are shootings of people in the drug businesses..but from what I read in news and on tv..there seems to be alot of killings in upper class neighborhoods and always the neighbors say ” He seemed like such a nice person”. I don't think we can hang all deaths on drug house killings. And yes swimming pools are dangerous when children are not watched continually and closely. You need a permit to build a pool here…(more paperwork) and we have many in neighborhood. My kids had strict instructions about entering another family's back yard that had a pool, unlless I was there or knew from friend they were well supervised. And I hate to tell you I never read the Kellerman Study…did I miss something good? Oh gosh….my assumptions came from there and I didn't even know it? Sorry, reading a book about conservative congressmen who have belonged to the religious group “The Family” and that is scaring me already. Sorry if the remark about your penis size is one you keep hearing over and over…must get to you …I will try to be more original with other gun lovers…but at least we agree on something..we bore each other.on this subject. oh well, another “teachable moment” down the drain..lol!


MilliJoolz
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

'Morning Sunshine,
That was a great post, and it taught me some things about a way of living in CA I didn't know. It's also nice to read a woman's reaction because as far as I know you and I are the only ones here and I cannot express myself the way I would like – language barrier. I tremendously enjoy and agree with Stephen and Kenneth, they are right on AND (most of the time) extremely funny.

One thing that surprised me was that according to you Arnold has done such a bad job. I have always had the impression that people were positive about him. I now realize they may not have been a good representation of the general consensus.

Now off to other topics.


EdinSac
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

If someone feels the Second Amendment is not longer applicable then I encourage them to get active and work to have it amended to your liking, at least if you believe in the Democratic process…possibly everyone here does not?


sherlach
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

Before s-penny starting threatening me with death via you,(stuck his nose in )and called me by his middle name”faggot”. I recall the ACLU siding with Pennys relatives in San Fran Cisco, barring the boy scouts from using a park there,because they did not allow gay troop leaders.Think before you put brain in motion,and start throwing filth around.I don't like the ACLU for them always sticking up for the wrong causes. If they did not fight for freedom of speech.You would not be able to smear people.DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU. Beware the fault line in Sodom Fran Cisco


MilliJoolz
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Speak well of your enemies, after all you made them.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 3:47 am

typical LYING SACK O SH*T rethug, of course. and, when challenged by facts, ignores them. instead of saying “…’thank you’ for edifying my ignorant ass.”

marty, officially brands you as STUPID (like a dog rolling in cow sh*t) which by definiton is knowing the difference and clutching the ignorance.


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:01 am

“I don't like the ACLU for them always sticking up for the wrong causes. If they did not fight for freedom of speech.”

back from bible thumping, and fellow gun nut humping, eh? stick to your 'guns', sherlack. in a battle of wits, you're sorely unarmed.

i know, the whole EQUAL rights thing is lost on you white, VERY small 'c' christian, gun clutchers so… debating equal rights and public accommodations is a lost cause.

let's just address your (and most EVERY reich-wingers') major problem; they don't even listen to themselves, let alone anyone else (that's why they're a dying breed, thankfully.

let's 'address' this statement of yours: “I don't like the ACLU for them always sticking up for the wrong causes.”

well ALRIGHTY then! dittohead are we, sherlack? OF COURSE you are! (I can smell the 'aggressive stupidity 'stink' from all the way up here in Canada)

speaking of the 'WRONG CAUSES': Then, let's reopen the State of Florida v Rush LimpBalls re: access to his medical records that would have nailed that drug addled, fat bag of puss for using multiple doctors (and even his latinia maid) to get multiple scripts for oxycotin (hillybilly heroin) addiction/partying.

Agreed? If so, you'd have to find someone else to rage with for 3 hours a day cuz LimpBalls would STILL be in jail.

'sherlach' (R-Idiot fly over country) who just don't get it and LOVES to vote against (real) freedom and his own self interests cuz he 'thinks' (and i use that in the the most casual of associations) that the likes of LimpBalls, 'Not so Manly' Hannity, Glen Herr Beck, Ann 'skel' Coutler actually speak for him.

now THAT'S irrevocably 'broken'. while i don't believe re-education is possible for the likes of 'sherlach', mark 'em for surveillance and deny them access to the 'hated' ACLU if/when they get rounded up by the illegal tools Bush/Cheney left lying around the extraordinary white house/executive branch.

that would be fitting karma.


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:10 am

GBRockon… you'll recognize this jibber jabber: “I don't like the ACLU for them always sticking up for the wrong causes. If they did not fight for freedom of speech.” it's from another dittohead/reich-wing, gunclutcher; 'sherlach'.

my response follows, the ACLU pulled LimpBalls fat ass outta the State of FL fire, dipstick. 'mark' this one for 're-education' and/or surveillance too.

back from bible thumping, and fellow gun nut humping, eh? stick to your 'guns', sherlack. in a battle of wits, you're sorely unarmed.

i know, the whole EQUAL rights thing is lost on you white, VERY small 'c' christian, gun clutchers so… debating equal rights and public accommodations is a lost cause.

let's just address your (and most EVERY reich-wingers') major problem; they don't even listen to themselves, let alone anyone else (that's why they're a dying breed, thankfully.

let's 'address' this statement of yours: “I don't like the ACLU for them always sticking up for the wrong causes.”

well ALRIGHTY then! dittohead are we, sherlack? OF COURSE you are! (I can smell the 'aggressive stupidity 'stink' from all the way up here in Canada)

speaking of the 'WRONG CAUSES': Then, let's reopen the State of Florida v Rush LimpBalls re: access to his medical records that would have nailed that drug addled, fat bag of puss for using multiple doctors (and even his latinia maid) to get multiple scripts for oxycotin (hillybilly heroin) addiction/partying.

Agreed? If so, you'd have to find someone else to rage with for 3 hours a day cuz LimpBalls would STILL be in jail.

'sherlach' (R-Idiot fly over country) who just don't get it and LOVES to vote against (real) freedom and his own self interests cuz he 'thinks' (and i use that in the the most casual of associations) that the likes of LimpBalls, 'Not so Manly' Hannity, Glen Herr Beck, Ann 'skel' Coutler actually speak for him.

now THAT'S irrevocably 'broken'. while i don't believe re-education is possible for the likes of 'sherlach', mark 'em for surveillance and deny them access to the 'hated' ACLU if/when they get rounded up by the illegal tools Bush/Cheney left lying around the extraordinary white house/executive branch.

that would be fitting karma.


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:19 am

“…99.5% of the cases that the ACLU actively files and joins, are anti-christian, pro-drug, anti-boy scouts, anti-business, and anti-American.”

We talking about the RushLimpBalls case of 2004? sounds like it:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html

I provided a link even YOU can 'read', 'gb', from the Fox Noise machine. The ACLU saved is fat, chickensh*t chickenhawk, 'no merit badge winning'* as from prison on felony drug charges.

* “Got poor grades in school. Was in the Boy Scouts but never got a single merit badge.”
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,…

in HIS case, i'd agree. some weird karma there.


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:30 am

and, as for: “…kennethetucker probably also believes in the tooth fairy and the easter bunny.”

nope, just a couple more imaginary fabrications, like your 'sky god' that i realize are just that, fabrications to make people (little people and little brained people) feel better.

one question, sky godders: if you're TRUE believers why not just 'pray up a storm' and let your sky god 'right the wrongs', protect you from all the evils; pelosi, ACLU, me etc?

SURELY a caring, dialed in' benevolent 'sky god' wouldn't deny you would it/she/he?

and, IF you're so enraptured with the thought of spending eternity at some sky god's feet, then…what's with all the FEAR, eh?

methinks, like many (most?) VERY small 'c' christians, you don't believe a lick of it. it's ALL for 'show' and separating yourself from [you think 'elevating' LOL) from everyone else.

Become a Quaker, go Amish, join an ashram, or wander off to some Buddhist Monastery and THEN i'll believe you. in the meantime. spare me your hypocritical BS, little brains.


kennethetucker
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 2:41 am

one final note on the ACLU and guns:

“The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue.” http://www.aclu.org/crimjustice/gen/35904res200…

the little word translations for you, 'sherlach'. the ACLU isn't your 'problem', it's your stupidity.


CaSunshine
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:32 am

Thanks so much…I am relatively new to this site and started off rather as a joke…but I think I riled some guys up.  Didn't know we were outnumbered as far as guys vs. gals.  Guess we will have to stay here and let them know we can have other ideas and not be “airheads” or subversives trying to take their guns away…….for they will die……..lol.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

It remains the police’s JOB to protect you.

Even schoolchildren know that. Maybe they read it on police cars, where the words “to PROTECT and serve” are emblazoned on the doors?


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Comment posted September 1, 2010 @ 6:30 am

If someone feels the Second Amendment is not longer applicable then I encourage them to get active and work to have it amended to your liking, at least if you believe in the Democratic process…possibly everyone here does not?


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