Blaming the Media for the Birthers

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I still want two answers.

1) Why can't we see his long-form?

and most disturbingly,

2) Why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth?

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

There is nothing that you're going to get from a a long-form with hospitals and mother's obstetricians. $5 bet that nobody can name me Barbara Bush's obstetrician right now. If you have proof (yes, Hawaii State Dept. of Health issues COLBs are proof is this “real” and “legal” world) that states Birthplace as Honolulu, then get over it. HONOLULU! HONOLULU! HONOLULU!

I still want two answers.

No one cares.

1) Why can't we see his long-form?

Because you have neither a direct nor tangible interest in seeing it, and the official birth certificate from the State of Hawaii is more than enough for any court in the land. There's no reason to break the rules to submit to the demands of the mentally deranged.

2) Why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth?

What whole truth? The name of the doctor who delivered Obama? Who cares, that's why.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

No one is hiding, you lunatic. He's in the big house on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Here are your answers, captainsteve:

1.) Whoever is feeding you the “long form” argument is feeding you a bunch of false info.

This is the answer to your question, straight from Hawaiian officials:

“Answer: No, you can't obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it's only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.”

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualin…

2) Because he presented a legitimate HI birth certificate document well over a year ago, there are 2 different newspaper birth announcements that confirm it, and other than unsourced conspiracy rumors on the internet, there is absolutely NO credible evidence to the contrary. Every independent researcher that looked into the issue over a year ago concluded his info was legit and there was no credible evidence otherwise. Hawaii was even clearer yesterday in clarifying this and validating that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, born in Honolulu, HI and that the info he has ALREADY provided is LEGIT:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us…

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…

Even World Net Daily, when they originally researched these conspiracy rumors a year ago found that Obama's documents were legit and there was nothing credible to these conspiracy theories. It is funny that now they see a way to make profit by selling t-shirts and signs to the “birthers” that they decided to ignore their own prior research and jump on the “birther bandwagon”. All that goes to demonstrate is the old sayings “there's a sucker born every minute” and “a fool and his money are soon parted”.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

The people trying to keep these rumors alive appear to have a profit motive to milk money out of those they feel are pre-disposed to be easily deceived and it has become quite a cottage industry to feed off of any anxiety or frustration that some may have with the President.

Bottom line, there is no rational reason to question the President's legitimate documents, which he presented well over a year ago and therefore, reasonable people consider this to be a non-issue of which only crazy conspiracy theorist are latched onto. This whole “long form” nonsense is a red-herring, because that is NOT the form that HI provides for birth certificates and they have confirmed this multiple times.

For God's sake, that poor obstetrician is more then likely long dead. And if he isn't, Orly Taitz would probably kill him anyway.

What? Dave Weigel is misleading again?

The MSM brought up this issue to help discredit the GOP. The leaders of the BHO opposition were too dumb to turn around and smack them down and helped in that effort.

And, the MSM has constantly lied and misled about this issue. And, that's not going away, no matter what Weigel wants to think.

For examples of those lies and misleading statements, see the long list (which includes Weigel) in my extensive coverage of this issue.

The GOP, especially those embracing the birthers, don't need the MSM to discredit them: they're doing a fine jog themselves.

I checked out your link of your extensive coverage. I don't think I get what you are ranting about, exactly. I read several of your posts/articles and you seem to really get upset about issues of phrasings and other stuff that seems like meaningless ranting about splitting hairs to me.

Where is your evidence of the “MSM bringing up the issue to discredit the GOP” like you promised? I saw you complaining about this Weigel author lots of times (I take it you two have some bitter history or something?) but in reading it, I didn't see any “lies” or actual “miselading” you claim he or the MSM has done, so your post and claims here don't make sense to me as I've read your stuff and am still not sure what point you are trying to make.

I see you started off your page going off on parsing the words that the HI officials used in Nov 2008 when they spoke on this issue, trying to find some hidden meaning to believe that they didn't say what they said…or they didn't say enough or clearly enough for you…or whatever your argument was.

So, how come yesterday's press release from HI is pretty damn clear seeming to spell out exactly what you are complaining they didn’t do before and you are still not happy?

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

I think it is particularly telling that you describe a direct quote and link from their article as “supposedly said”.

I have to be honest and say that after reading your own words, you don’t seem to sincerely be trying to get answers at all, but more seem to be getting upset that every answer or further clarification just provides corroborating and supportive evidence, backing up Obama’s legitimate HI birth certificate as issued. You don’t seem to be searching for truth at all, but somehow grasping at straws and nitpicking in order to justify whatever your preconceived ideas were.

1) Why can't we see his long-form?

Because the state of Hawaii refuses to release the long form. When the Obama campaign (at the direction of Josh Gibbs) requested his “birth certificate” in 2007, it asked the state to release “all documents in the state's possession”. What you see on-line now is all the state released to the campaign.

2) Why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth?

Because all sane people, whether they support Obama or not, already know the truth: he was born in Hawaii.

What? 24Ahead being stupid again? Say it ain't so! When you think everyone is lying, maybe you are the one not dealing with the truth.

This guy is hardly being original. Ann Coulter already did the “birthers are the MSM's fault” meme.. that's probably where he got it.

Er, no. I specifically queried Drew Zahn (the writer at WND.com who had written the item you've cited, and he responded thus (italics added, boldface font where he had designated a different color of font in his email communication to me):

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Thank you for your effort to understand and critically think about this issue.

A better wording of the paragraph is, and should have been:

A separate WND investigation into Obama's online image of his certification of live birth found that several forgery experts saw no evidence to doubt the document's authenticity. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

At this point, we still have no concrete or undisputable proof that the online image is fraudulent. We have reported on some who think so, but as we're reporters, not forgery experts, all we can do is report on the disagreement that exists between the experts.

Drew Zahn,
News editor, WorldNetDaily
–

Just to clarify, G-string.

Tuci78,

I appreciate your bringing the clarification of WND's position to light here along with their explanation. There is no need to resort to name calling, so please be respectful and drop the “g-string” shtick. As Drew Zahn's own statement points out, their wording on that article has led many to the same conclusion I came to, which is why their clarification you have shared is so important to clear up that very valid confusion created by their own words.

The key information of their clarification still stands – they found NO evidence to doubt the document's authenticity and also, they pointed out that certain bloggers involved with trying to discredit it were faking and scamming their results.

I still believe that WND's motivation here is profit and just looking for ways to discredit a legitimate president who is of a different party then they wanted.

The fact that the COLB provided by Obama and validated by HI officials has no credible evidence to doubt its authenticity is really the whole point. The “long form” argument is the only red-herring argument here, as HI has repeatedly pointed out that they don't provide those, so it is moot and meaningless to the whole argument here on if he is a NBC.

Bottom line, Obama has supplied evidence, in acceptable government-provided format to show he was born in HI. Those who want to dispute that can't just come up with speculation and rumors and whining – build a case that could stand up in court and show some credible evidence that disproves what he has supplied. Until then, there is no real valid reason to question his legitimacy.

On WND, I felt it best to solict Mr. Zahn's clarification and to reproduce it here without alteration. Something none of the Obamaphiles had thought to do, of course.

Given the WND “motivation” – whether for whatever money they might be making out of the “hits” they're getting or for the sheer bloody-minded hatred of socialists that gives me cause to scroll through these screeds and take what fun I can in puncturing the Obamaphiles' overinflated pretensions of supporting their Messiah's non-existent probity – that they should have posted the message so gadarenely cited by stevie and his sputniki is a mark of their adherence to standards that we do not see among – for example – the people being paid out of Barry Soetoro's coffers, who have taken down the FightTheSmears Web site altogether and are presently “sterilizing” the World Wide Web of those ludicrous COLB images they'd promulgated in June 2008.

“Bottom line,” G? Barry Soetoro has supplied NO evidence of any kind to demonstrate that he had been born in Honolulu. None. Ain't nowhere. We have an unsworn attestion now added by a Hawaii state government bureaucrat which is more indicative that the state government archives for which that bureaucrat is responsible have at last been “sanitized” to the point at which collusion is safer than it had been prior to the election, when that same “Malevolent Jobholder” had been jitteringly circumspect in the extreme.

So what changed between then and now? Hm. And you're not the least, teensy, tiny little bit suspicious, G?

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Wow. I don't know what alternate fantasy world you live in…”Barry Soetoro has supplied NO evidence of any kind to demonstrate that he had been born in Honolulu. None. Ain't nowhere. “????

Gee. So your only argument against a supplied and legal document is to close your eyes and put your hands in your ears and desperately try to cling to a pathetic belief that it is not true? How sad.

Of course I'm not suspicious, because any reasonable minded person sees a valid birth certificate in state issued form that has been supplied and available for over a year and that the Republican lead state of Hawaii has consistently backed and stated as valid. Pretend all you want, because I guess that is the mental game you must play with yourself so you can sleep at night.

How telling your posts are too. The only people who ever refer to Obama as “the Messiah” are those that seem to hate him. I don't know a single supporter who has ever used this term. What an odd choice for you hatriots to choose. The term “the Messiah” is usually used to refer to Jesus. But haters of Obama seem to be the only ones who insist on trying to refer to Obama this way. This baffles me. The only logical conclusion I can draw is you must hate Jesus.

Computer graphic images of a legal document are not the document itself. As I'd observed in response to another of the supporters of our Mombasa Messiah, if you sincerely take the image of a thing for the thing itself, you must have a peculiarly intense relationship with your pornography collection, mustn't you?

The submission of that alleged Certification of Live Birth – supposedly created by the state of Hawaii for “Barack Hussein Obama II” in 2007 – to examination by a panel of impartial, trained, and qualified forensic documents experts in June 2008 was not done. Indeed, it has not been done at all. Instead, what we have is the unsupported claim by an unnamed member of the Obama campaign staff to have scanned such a document into a couple of computer graphic images – JPG files – which were emailed to two decidedly partisan Web site operations, DailyKos and FactCheck.

(( And FactCheck is not impartial simply because they claim to be. They are funded by the same Annenberg Foundation which had once been one of Barry Soetoro's employers, and there should be no attempt made to claim that they were not and are not partisans supporting him in his political depredations and other crimes. ))

With regard to Barry Soetoro, where has there ever been “a supplied and legal document” involved to prove his bona fides with regard to qualification to have run in any of the National Socialist Party presidential primaries in 2008, or to have stood for that office in the national elections last November? Not. There. Nowhere. No way, no how, didn't happen.

And how “telling” your posts are, too, G. How the hell have you missed the straightforward and frequently stipulated fact that I do hate your Mombasa Mahdi?

(( Is that a bit better? If you want to reserve “the Messiah” for the Jews' Kwisatz Haderach, I suppose that in Barry Soetoro's case, Mahdi does seem even more appropriate. ))

Yeah, your hatred is obvious. And sadly, that seems to be all you have. Forgive me from making the mistake of giving you any previous benefit of doubt that your rants are anything other than hate based and being a poor loser that he won the election. Sorry, but that is how democracy works, so waaah.

Furthermore, I find your whole premise of attacking the documentation just because you haven't held the paper in your hands itself completely laughable. You take the false premise that assumes he is somehow other than what he says he is, when the default position is that there is no reasonable reason (other than your blind hatred) to not take him at his word. Or gee, the state of Hawaii's word.

No, you'd rather grasp for straws and take the word of random people with agendas on the internet, with no bonafied credence to speak on government matters over the government itself. So I'm laughing my ass off at how your whole argument here is based on attacking and ranting against “not trusting” information over the internet, but everything you want to site and every twisted rumor you have to so desperately cling to comes from…gee…only the internet, with nothing to back it up.

It is also completely laughable in the pretzel logic that must be followed by people like you to believe that somehow, anyone could get through their entire life, hold several public offices including government security clearances without providing their documentation multiple times and that if there were any problems with it, it wouldn't have been known or caught by now. And that the campaigns of his opponents wouldn't be able to find it or use it. And that every member of congress, branch of government, newspapers from 1961, etc. are all part of some “vast conspiracy” behind it. That is the craziest thing I've ever heard!

So sadly, all you have is your irrational hate and delusional fantasies and I guess it just is going to suck to be you until 2013 and more likely 2017. So, you can either take a deep breath and find a way to deal with your disappointment and try to be productive in your life or you can continue to let your hatred consume you.

Well, thanks. It's not like I haven't been making a concerted and purposeful effort to express my hatred – and it's a coldly rational hatred, G, as implacably founded upon my reasoned appreciation of and carefully considered regard for the integrity of the Constitution and the proper role of government in civil society as was the impulse behind the actions of another physician, John Locke, in writing his Two Treatises of Government (1689).

But of what I have, G, you and your fellow Obamaphile fellahin neither want nor value nor even remotely understand anything beyond what you would like to dismiss as simple xenophobic hatred. I've come to the conclusion that if specimens such as yourself could really perceive the motivations of a constitutionalist – and I suppose it's possible, but with your thought-blocking predispositions, it ain't at all likely – it would be impossible for you to acknowledge such motivations, as for you even to honestly consider their quality and character would necessarily oblige to put your own against them in comparison, and that would simply destroy you.

Well, you've explained yourself and your motivations fine enough.

I do find it amusing this pretentious “wrapping yourself in the flag” argument that you haters make while at the same time you can't accept the results of a duly won election, just because you don't like who won. So you don't respect the democratic process and you don't respect the will of the voters and you really don't seem much interested in civil society. So yes, I do dismiss you as simple xenophobic hatred and it comes across as you just trying to couch it in something else to justify your feelings.

Your “simply destroy you” attack I'll just dismissively laugh off. That is great that you feel the need to have to portray yourself as so smugly superior to the rest of the world and that is your right, but I'm not going to play along. It just comes off as someone trying to fluff themselves up to cover up for their own insecurities to me. Go live your life in peace. If you are unhappy with elected officials, get involved yourself and run for office. There are lots of viable 3rd-parties out there and do your best to sell your views and solutions to the voters. That is the proper role of government in civil society, so if you truly care about it so much, then participate instead of just pontificate.

Not “the flag,” son. The Constitution. Bear in mind that it was a bunch of socialists – look up the Bellamy salute, why don'tcha? – who invented that “I pledge allegiance to the flag” bullshit, explicitly stating “that the purpose of it was to teach obedience to the state as a virtue.”

About as virulently un-American as it's possible to get. “Obedience to the state” my ass!

And of course I “don't respect the democratic process and…don't respect the will of the voters.” When the hell has the majority ever been right on anything?

Throughout the history of these United States, the popular majority has fucked up every goddam time they've gotten their way. I quote:

“Laws are no longer made by a rational process of public discussion; they are made by a process of blackmail and intimidation, and they are executed in the same manner. The typical lawmaker of today is a man wholly devoid of principle — a mere counter in a grotesque and knavish game. If the right pressure could be applied to him, he would be cheerfully in favor of polygamy, astrology or cannibalism.

“It is the aim of the Bill of Rights, if it has any remaining aim at all, to curb such prehensile gentry. Its function is to set a limitation upon their power to harry and oppress us to their own private profit The Fathers, in framing it, did not have powerful minorities in mind; what they sought to hobble was simply the majority. But that is a detail. The important thing is that the Bill of Rights sets forth, in the plainest of plain language, the limits beyond which even legislatures may not go. The Supreme Court, in Marbury v. Madison, decided that it was bound to execute that intent, and for a hundred years that doctrine remained the corner-stone of American constitutional law.” (H.L. Mencken)

So laugh all you want, putzie. If eventually you do learn “the proper role of government in civil society,” you will be as dead to your “Liberal” sputniki as if you had suddenly taken a bullet to what you're presently using in lieu of a brain, and you will be gripped by such a paroxysm of shame and remorse that I expect you to be wearing the mental equivalent of sackcloth and ashes for the rest of your miserable life.

I am laughing. I'm not the one here who has nothing but hate to sustain his life. So, you can just go on railing until the cows come home with your childish threats. It is sad that is all you have to make yourself feel big. I'm done even trying to encourage you to get involved and do something productive, because it seems all you want to do is rant and throw tantrums, not contribute to society. The only one here who seems to be miserable is you and that seems to be completely by your own choice and doing.

Gawd, G-string, you gotta project yourself like a catapult to get by, don'tcha? My “hate” is a merry, life-sustaining, playful attitude toward the myriads of tyrants, bluenoses, parasites and “vote for a living” political pimps – y'know, like you – who can't live without spattering their inoffensive, mind-their-own-business, “Get off my lawn!” neighbors with your endless flow of shit.

I “contribute to society” (I suppose; point to something concrete, G-job, and say “that's society,” willya?) just as I've contributed all my life. What do you do? Work at the DMV?

Once again, all you have to offer is name calling. The only one projecting here is you. And all you do is whine and try to attack others and it is pretty sad, pathetic and immature. You obviously lack social skills and good graces of any sort. I feel like I'm talking to a child who is throwing a tantrum, and for all I know, I am; this being the internet after all.

There is only one person here who is angry and that is continuously you. I've been alternately laughing at you and shaking my head in sadness or in just complete disbelief that there are people like you that are so utterly consumed by useless hate. You have nothing to offer here but ranting and whining and childish but ultimately harmless and silly little taunts.

If you hadn't noticed, this thread has otherwise been dead for over a day. The only back and forth has been between us and there is nothing new or of value coming from this conversation, so I'm done here with you and there is no point of wasting time on this or you any further.

All that I've learned from this is that you are not someone who is just going to be unhappy and have difficulty accepting the next 4-8 years, but someone who is terminally unhappy and will probably remain disappointed and miserable for the rest of your life.

Nah. I've offered plenty more than “name calling,” G-boy. It's just that “name calling” is the optimal response to content-less crap like your posts, isn't it?

Sure makes you writhe and spume and sputter like a Baptist confronted with a porn store in his neighborhood, doesn't it?

No. Keep living in a world that exists only inside your head. That is all you have.

Tsk. Gone as limp as that stub which serves you in lieu of a phallus, eh, G-string?

Aw!

From David Hahn, “Publisher, StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.

And now we've got a “Liberal” Nebraska newspaper advising Barry to cough up his birth certificate. I guess our Mombsa Messiah is losing even the root weevils.

If he can. Anybody ready yet to watch our TelePrompTer-in-Chief taking the Fifth?