Hawaii Battles the Birthers, Again

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Tuesday, July 28, 2009 at 9:58 am

For eight months, Hawaii State Department of Health Director Chiyome Fukino’s statement on President Obama’s original birth certificate has fed, not silenced, “birther” conspiracies. Specifically this part:

I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

The conspiracy went like this: Fukino didn’t say what was on the birth certificate, only that she’d seen it.

So Fukino has put out a new statement hammering home her point.

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barrack (sic) Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.

This (bungled spelling and all) short-circuits an argument I’d heard from conspiracy theorists countless times, usually in the context of calling me a liar if I said that Fukino had verified that Obama was born in Hawaii. What’s it mean for the birthers? They’ll just move on.

WorldNetDaily’s response to this news has been to argue that “no mention was made of the specific document reviewed,” which suggests that birthers are far from done parsing every official statement from Hawaii in order prove that “A” meant “Z.” Conservative blogger Tom Maguire has been popularizing the ahistorical and illogical theory that Obama’s grandparents might — might! — have committed fraud by lying about where Obama was born in 1961, and that the state went along with it. And then there’s the booming industry of theories about how Obama could never, ever have been a “natural born citizen” because his father was Kenyan.


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Addiction_Analyst
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

It is obvious that this is much more about the President's race than where he was born since everyone has been given the evidence that meets the law. I guess some people are going to say whatever they want even if the facts are opposite.


Chris R
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

This is just plain embarrassing. And these are the same people who think global warming is a conspiracy.

Time will prove them wrong, yet their denial will keep them from learning anything from it.

Just keep digging that ditch.


Ronk
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

Remember, these are the same people who believed everything G.W. Bush told them about Iraq, 911 and WMD's.

They never learn.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

Weigel finally admits that he was lying for eight months. The 10/31 statement didn't say he was born there, as Weigel says. Only her new statement says he was born there.

As usual, I don't know whether Weigel thinks his readers are dumb or whether Weigel himself is dumb, but this new statement hammers home the fact that Weigel isn't credible: he said the 10/31 statement showed Obama was born there but now the maker of the original statement has had to add new information.

Expect this CYA pattern to be repeated over and over by other hacks who lied and misled about this issue. The only reason Weigel might get away with it is because my attempts to use this issue to discredit the MSM got no help from anyone else.

See my completely fact-based coverage for more. Unlike Weigel, I don't just make things up.


mantis
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

It was clear to anyone who is not a deranged birther that Fukino's first statement meant she had personally seen Obama's records, even if her words could be parsed by dishonest parties to suggest she said something else. She obviously felt compelled to clarify, not because she made some mistake the first time around, but because she didn't realize at the time that the birthers would never stop, and that major media figures would start peddling this nonsense. Her original statement was plenty clear to those of us who do not suffer from mental disorders: She saw the records, and everything has been handled according to the rules. This clearly means that the information on the COLB is an accurate representation of the information on the original (otherwise, the records would not have been handled in accordance with the state's rules and procedures).

Weigel didn't lie. You did, and continue to do so with every word you type.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

Thanks again David for covering all of this lunacy. Amazing.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Actually what the new statement says is that Fukino greatly overestimated the intelligence of birfoons and their ability to read the context of statements. She mistook you for someone who was actually interested in what had occurred, not someone simply looking to parse words to justify continuation of your own idiocy.

She has corrected the error of assuming that you were intelligent and honest.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

Well to be fair, they way they see it, the last eight years of Bush has taught them that if you deny reality than the reality doesn't count.


A
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Thanks for the coverage, Dave!
As you mention above, the crazy birthers will just come morph the conspiracy now to accommodate these new facts!

Oh, you might get a chuckle from this, kinda reiterates what you say, but a little differently!
Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNuGYdygHps


luther blissett
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

Shorter 24: “You'll get what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!”

The prince of all Birthers still doesn't get it, even after months of stalking Weigel, Fukino and everyone who isn't sufficiently psychotic to parse things to within an inch of their life I doubt he'd get it if they got a restraining order against the crazy bastard.

Or maybe it was an attempt to attract new readers to his pathetic site and just looked crazy.


CestWhat
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

HOLY COW!!!

Barack Obama's real name is Barrack Hussein Obama II.

This changes EVERYTHING.


Omaar
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Birthers: Provide me with [Your] Original Birth Certificate and Social Security Number…

Prove to Me, America and the World…

You are an American Citizen.

Low Life.

You have Race Hate on the Brain

A Bi-Racial Man, You Call Black, African, Mulatto, Arab or Barry [Step Fathers Name] whatever…

Barry Won the Presidency, in a Majority White Society.

Barry Won the Popular Vote.

Barry Won the Electoral College.

Barry Soetoro-Barack Obama or any other name, you wish to call him, is…

Is President Of The USA…

Barry-Barack Obama is Commander in Chief of the USA

Now, Go Have a Seizure or Cardiac Arrest or Better Still, Kill Yourself.

Denial is an Ugly Thing…Indeed.

Piss Poor Ugly Thing, to See


kb345
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 4:54 am

Aren't you embarrassed by yourself? I mean, you really must be the most stupid person in the world. What do you expect to get out of this? Obama is your president and will continue to BE your president for AT LEAST the next 3.5 yrs. If you continue doing this, you'll just keep making yourself look more ridiculous.


RedGraham
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 6:14 am

Having served in the Marines during Nam, on active duty during Desert Storm and as an old grunt at Operation Iraqi Freedom I feel betrayed we have an illegal-alien in the Whitehouse. What a kick in the teeth. Baby Barack was a dual-citizen at best and lost that status when he became Indonesian Barry Soetoro. What a crock this presidency is. The man is guilty of High Treason and both Howard Dean & Hellary know it. After the citizenship questions McCain faced you would think he would be an outspoken birther but he doesn't want to appear the sore loser. I wish legal scholars like Robert Bork & Phyllis Schlafley would weigh-in on this issue. -Gunny Red


MalcolmO
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

Red – Did you even bother to click on any of the linked information? You can't renounce citizenship until you're 18, and even then, you have to do it yourself… no legal guardian can revoke your citizenship. Every official who's reviewed the information has verified the authenticity of Obama's documentation. And the 14th amendment extends ALL rights to dual-citizens.

These facts are easily accessible to anybody. But you don't care about what's factual. You care about hating Obama. And that's all this is about for you birthers. You don't care where Obama was born or what his eligibility is. You want to hate him for something. You want to believe he's not really the president. Big question: If Obama was a white guy from Missouri named Jason Scott, would you have this problem?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

Oh for fuck's sake.

I was gonna let this bullshit post go until I got to “Unlike Weigel, I don't make things up.”

Anyone who has read more than two of your dozens of whiny-ass posts can see that that's a lie.

Moreover, anyone bored enough to go to that ridiculous website you're always hawking can see that not only do you make shit up, you make DUMB shit up.

Like your analogy about standing in front of a picture of a Ferrari. Not the same thing. Unless Motor Trend and Road & Track go to your house and write an article confirming they drove your Ferrari.

Let's not discuss your analogy about having a picture of a $100 bill and offering to mail it to me in exchange for “five twenty's.” You're just trying to get money there, but you're too dumb to figure out how. Yikes.

Leave David Weigel alone. He's not a “hack” as you accuse. Look in the mirror, doofus.


Florida Christian
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 8:00 am

Its a well known fact that the Republican governor of hawaii is a liberal democrat!


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 8:02 am

A coward like you never served anywhere but the boy scouts.

Your an unamerican traitor.


newsmonger
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

The black guy won, get over it.

Constitutional Natural born means “born in USA soil”; statutory natural born means means born outside US soil to US citizens. Obama was a constitutional natural born & McCain was a statutory natural born.

You can lost your US citizenship by merely taking a different name; and you cannot loss it by what someone else did on your behalf.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 11:49 am

From David Hahn, “Publisher, StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

But, here is the issue:

The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of our country. Article II of the Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen. Without reciting them here, there appears to be some serious questions raised about whether President Obama was born in the United States or Kenya. We have not checked sources, but there are reports that some witnessed his birth in Kenya.

The President's campaign staff and then his administration have released and placed on the internet a “Certificate of Live Birth.” We do not dispute the validity or correctness of that document as others have tried to do, suggesting the use of computers to alter seals and names. By releasing this document the President agrees that the claims about his status as a natural born citizen is an open, important, public issue.

But, this “Certificate of Live Birth” is simply not the best evidence that the President and his administration could offer to lay to rest any doubt about his status as a natural born citizen.

Barack Obama is a lawyer and a graduate of Harvard Law School. All law students study the body of law we call “Evidence.” One of the core tenets of American law is the “best evidence rule” which requires the production of original, or certified copies, of original document to prove a fact. Abstracts and summaries are not original documents.

The President has offered an abstract (Certificate) of his birth, but not an original birth certificate which would be the best evidence of his birth. We need the best evidence so that it can do what the best evidence is meant to do; dispel the doubts about a fact. We need to see the Birth Certificate. That's the one that is often handwritten and signed by the doctor.

Lawyers and legal thinkers will, obviously, argue the finer points of the “Best Evidence Rule” and its applicability to this matter. But, that misses the point. The notion of “Best Evidence” is solidly-grounded in law. This is an important public matter and it seems now that the President has started down the path of offering some evidence (Certificate of Live Birth), he should offer the “best evidence” (Original Birth Certificate) which is the source document for his birth. The document behind the document which has been released. This is what is needed now in the court of public knowledge.

The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.

And now we've got a “Liberal” Nebraska newspaper advising Barry to cough up his birth certificate. Can The New York Times be far behind?

If he can. Anybody ready to watch our TelePrompTer-in-Chief taking the Fifth? History in the making, kids!


Sherrill
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 2:54 am

***But, this “Certificate of Live Birth” is simply not the best evidence that the President and his administration could offer to lay to rest any doubt about his status as a natural born citizen***

Actually, the Certificate of Live Birth is the best way of verifying birth. That is what states issue when you order “birth certificates” from them. You don't get an “original”, those aren't issued, even when it is the first one you get from the state for the birth of a child. The Certificate of Live Birth is the best, and only true, acceptable form.


Sherrill
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 2:56 am

Even if your dual citizenship crap were true, you do not automatically lose US citizenship by becoming a citizen of another country, adopted as a minor, or not. So sayeth the US Supreme Court.


Sherrill
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 2:56 am

And here I thought it was Barack Joe Bob Obama


Tuci78
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 3:32 am

Really? “Actually, the Certificate of Live Birth is the best way of verifying birth,” eh?

Okay. So all Barry Soetoro has to do is put that COLB – the physical, print-on-paper, signed and sealed legal document he got from the state government of Hawaii in 2007 – on the bench in front of a judge and say “Here y'go, your honor.”

So why d'you think he not only hasn't done that but refuses – with fang and claw – to do so?

Barry doesn't need the original birth certificate, but he does need something more than easily-doctored computer graphic images that can't be evaluated for “genuineness or non-genuineness” by a forensic documents examiner.

The print-on-paper COLB, though, can be so examined, and the sworn testimony of a trained, experienced, qualified expert witness on such evidentiary materials can be entered in support of Barry's claim that he is qualified to hold the public office he's being paid to serve in.

So if “The Certificate of Live Birth [actually, it's Certification] is the best, and only true, acceptable form,” then why hasn't Barry provided it?

The image of a document, Sherrill, is not the document itself.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 5:49 am

Having been a British citizen at birth, Obama was therefore a natural born subject of Great Britain until he was adopted in Indonesia anyway.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 5:58 am

Arguable, but perhaps not supportable under the 14th Amendment had Barry Soetoro been born in Honolulu instead of his native Mombasa. This is why Barry and all his little ACORN elves have to dig, bury, and cover like a housecat overdosed on castor oil.

Also why Barry is dead frantic to keep his “vault” information in the state of Hawaii out of the hands of a judge in any jurisdiction, and will not surrender that Certification of Live Birth he'd supposedly gotten in 2007 (and from which those computer graphic images had ostensibly been scanned in June 2008) for evaluation by any sort of trained, experienced, qualified forensic documents examiners prepared to detect alterations or other evidence of forgeries in that physical document.

While I would like to see Barry Soetoro carted off by la migra (“Do we deport him to Indonesia or to Kenya? Wanna flip a coin?”), I suspect he qualifies as a naturalized citizen of these United States.

But natural born? Never was, never could be, and he belongs in prison.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 15, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

I think England is keeping Michael Savage out as they fear he will uncover some juicy tidbit there just like Kenya is keeping Jerome Corsi out & has a gag-order on the usurper's relatives.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 16, 2009 @ 2:09 am

Hm. Got any references on those notions. I'm not really accustomed to auditing the conservatives' stuff online (and I don't count Cato.org and Mises.org and FEE.org and LewRockwell.com as “conservative” because when you get right down to it, they tend to hammer the lugnuts off the Republicans just as much as off the National Socialists).

Some links would be appreciated. Thanks.


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