A Border Wall, At What Cost?

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Monday, July 27, 2009 at 5:05 pm

That’s the question being asked by 43 House Democrats, who wrote a letter to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano last week urging the administration to consider the environmental and cultural consequences of throwing up a 20-foot-tall concrete barrier at the Mexican border.

The Bush administration, empowered by Congress, waived dozens of environmental and cultural heritage laws in order to hasten fence construction. The Obama White House, thus far, has done nothing to restore those protections.

“This massive federal project has had deleterious consequences upon natural and cultural public resources,” the lawmakers wrote, “and has caused hardship for private land owners, whose lands have been condemned and livelihoods have been disrupted.”

They have a point. Last summer, floods attributed to the border fence did millions of dollars of damage to southern Arizona, including parts of Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. In another episode, fence construction destroyed 69 graves of the Tohono O’odham tribe south of Tucson.

To put a face on the communities being decimated by the fence, the Sierra Club has put together a compilation of personal stories. Napolitano, former governor of Arizona and a long-time critic of the border fence, is well aware of such tales. Whether she acts to minimize them has yet to be seen.

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24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

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jamesfleming
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

You have to be kidding, right? Destroying environmental and cultural heritage laws? When the Hell did we pass “cultural heritage” laws? I would love to know how many of these 43 House Members are members of the Hispanic Caucus or extreme tree-hugging envronmentalists. Someone please tell me how a fence caused a flood in the Organ Pipe Nat'l Monument? I bet the real cause was a sudden cloud burst of water! As far as “destroying those graves, nearly every day of the year I bet some old gravesite or Indian remains are discovered or uncovered by construction, just like the kind that Obama has been touting as part of his recovery plan. I bet the remains were givern a proper reburial and all Federal laws were followed in the removal. Here in Texas the Hispanic Community and the Democratic Party in general have tried everything from the fence will cause cancer, to showing some farmer saying that he will be kept from using the Rio Grande water for his cattle that he has used for years. What was NOT said was that the Federal Government, without cost to the farmer, installed a well for the watering of the cattle that works just fine! One ad actually had a Hispanic family complaining that they and there family still in Mexico would have to drive to the border crossing now, rather than just going across the border to visit, even though that was illegal, but that doesn't matter in today's P. C. world.
The whole point is they have politicial and “cultural” reasons to object to the fence that are NOT good for America! The Democrats can hardly wait for these illegal immigrants (that is what they are, not some P. C. name like “migrant workers” or “displaced people”) because of the tactics they use to sign up these people through their fronts like ACORN, and then “help” them register and vote illegally in elections for things that benefit the illegal aliens and Mexico rather than the USA. Groups of some Republicans also are in favor of allowing such illegal crossings so that some businesses, like restaurants and landscape/lawn care, can hire the illegals on a low cash for a days work and not bother to pay taxes and benefits. Shame be to them. We here, right in Texas have small towns that have replaced the American population with these immigrants and not only do they openly provide sanctuary, but they have elected themselves to many local offices, so many that these towns fly the Mexican Flag over the City Hall, and conduct ALL city business in Spanish! Many of my friends and neighbors think it is funny, and the State and Federal Governments refuse to take action. To those who say a fence will not work, and is not needed, I say you are folls whose liberal leanings has closed your eyes and mind to the idea that the USA is under invasion! Do not believe this lowballing of the number of illegal aliens in the Country that the Feds currently do to prevent more outrage by the citizens of this nation. It is more likely to be between 20 and 25 million when OBAMAcare is passed and they find out they can get free healthcare no matter their status! Then watch the borders and millions more people from around the world as well as our Mexican invasion that Mexico has made a part of it's national plans for years so they will not have to provide for those millions of Mexicans who are poor, untrained, and ill. It disgusts me to read about all of the hospitals along the border and in border states who will be closing their doors because illegals show up at the emergency room and their healthcare is provided free and then they are allowed to walk out the door, free as a bird, while everyone KNOWS they, or the Mexican Government will never pay a dime. Then we allow Mexican Presidents and candidates for Mexico's Presidency to come over to our country and say that every Mexican in the USA is also a citizen of Mexico! What about the fact that in the oath to becoming an American citizen you declare alligence to this country and no other, well forget it man. They just ignore that. Then we even shoot our selves in the foot further when we allow a regular business to exist that brings Mexican women who are pregnant and in their last stages of the pregnancy to “safe houses” that the border patrol, the local police, and even the Federal Government know about. Then once labor sets in, they are driven to the entrance of the ER at the Hoispital in America, have the baby at taxpayers' expense, and then have their child given American citizenship in a gross violation of the 13th Amendment! We are rewarding these people with all of the rights and privileges (and social programs supports) of a US citizen for their fraud and deception! There are procedures at some of the border crossings to allow Mexican ambulances to go right through without stopping at customs because the border patrol knows they are carrying a pregnant woman to the American hospital. Try doing this as an American citizen and see how far you get about ignoring your hospital bills! Lastly, to those who say the fence will never work! Well, anything would be better than what we have right now, and, if fences don't work, then how come little Isreal spent billions on building a correct fence to keep out Palestinian terrorists and it is workng so well that in some places terrorist attacks have completely stopped. If fences can be beaten so easliy, then why do the Palestinians bring up removing the fence at every peace talk if they can be beaten? The fact is, a good fence makes “good” neighbors sometimes, and as far as Mexico goes, they have not been a good neighbor, ever! Even in 1914 we sent our military into Mexico to fight the bandits that often crossed our border to steal and kill. Today is no different with the drug cartels running Mexico all along the border (that would be another good aspect of a real fence like the Isreali Government built. If you don't think the violence from the drug cartels has crossed the border then you are not up to date. Almost daily here in San Antonio, and in every major Texas city and border city, there is a report of drug gang killings or drive by shootings. Open your eyes people, our country is being stolen from us and we sit on our hands or vote for the real perps, like Ted Kennedy who created an entirely new immigration policy for America in the 1970's and who has contined to hurt America in the immigration laws passed right up to the Amnesty Bill he sponsered with President Bush that was defeated a couple of years ago. Teddy stood on the floor of the Senate and swore before the whole Senate that the oppenents to his creation were wrong, that his bill would not create a new face to America. Believe that and just go to any inner city in America and see if you see your face reflected in the new immigrant population. Some maysay that this is a good thing, but all you Pollyannas, once a nation loses it's identity, then you can never have a nation that can govern effectively (like even though we have laws against such practices, there are thousands of Black and Arab young girls who suffer rthe pain and indignity of a clitectomy, just because that is the “culture” of their parents and the Federal Law and State people know it is going on, but because many are “Islamic” , they will not prosecute these practices because they are trying to win Islamic support for their foreign policies – In my America, we would not allow this to happen or want people here who areso barbaric) or can depend on it's population in a crisis since ewe no longer enforce the idea that once they become Americans, what happens in their homeland routinely may not be allowed here) or depend on it's population to support the basic respect for law and order we do, or even be loyal members of our military, or not vote for the implimentation of their old ways, like the Mexican Flag and Spanish language being used in the towns here in Texas. I am 62 and soon to be 63. My time is nearing up (and will be even faster as OBAMAcare decides to continue to provide my cancer treatments is not cost effective any longer), but for you younger people, it is imperative that you “change” what is happening to YOUR country and not be intimidated by the Federal Government or their socialistic proclimations. As was said during our Revolution from English oppression, sometimes the blood of patriots needs to be shed to ensure freedom. Let's hope you can get real change before that becomes neccessary.


starchild
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

I was recently reading about the group No More Deaths, a coalition seeking to provide humanitarian aid to migrants crossing the border. Walls and other border controls have forced border-crossers into more remote desert areas, and to make more arduous treks, and not all of them make it. Some 2000 men, women and children have died trying to enter the United States since 1998. No More Deaths volunteers have been leaving jugs of water, but sadly have been harassed for their humanitarian activism and even arrested and charged with littering by authorities.


starchild
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

People in this country who support spending billions of taxpayer dollars on border controls and driving the national debt up still higher would do well to consider that walls, fences, and armed guards can be used not just to keep people from entering a country, but to keep them from leaving as well. I know, I hear some of you saying, “But it can't happen here!”

Actually it can happen here, and without vigilantly guarding our liberties, it well could. Hopefully it will not come to that, but we'd do well not to support policies that would make a police state easier to implement, because with the “PATRIOT” Act, warrantless wiretapping, detentions without habeas corpus or due process, “free speech zones,” etc., etc., the U.S. is a good part of the way there already.


Water Damage Jacksonville
Comment posted September 6, 2010 @ 2:59 am

I was recently reading about the group No More Deaths, a coalition seeking to provide humanitarian aid to migrants crossing the border. Walls and other border controls have forced border-crossers into more remote desert areas, and to make more arduous treks, and not all of them make it. Some 2000 men, women and children have died trying to enter the United States since 1998. No More Deaths volunteers have been leaving jugs of water, but sadly have been harassed for their humanitarian activism and even arrested and charged with littering by authorities.


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