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		<title>By: johnhkennedy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Torture Momos were used to con normally law abiding, patriotic CIA and FBI agents and US Soldiers into violating our Federal Anti-Torture Laws.  Panetta has become a major part of the current torture cover up. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fact is that it is the CIA&#039;s own leadership that put their agents in danger of prosecution simply by leadership&#039;s not obeying and respecting our Federal Laws and Constitution.  But then CIA wishes to be exempt from all laws in any country in which it operates, including the United States.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bush and Cheney attempted to ignore the law and  thereby put all CIA agents who tortured or conspired to torture, even if they meant well (chuckle), at serious risk of Federal prosecution.  That the leadership of CIA was corrupt at the time does not make what they did any less illegal.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And Attorney General Holder&#039;s special prosecutor-trial balloon is designed to try to get away with a very narrowly focused, very limited investigation of only a few criminals who tortured using methods worse than the &lt;br&gt;ALREADY ILLEGAL Torture Methods In Bush&#039;s Torture Memos.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We voters need a complete investigation of all the abuses of power and violations of Federal Laws under Bush and Cheney.  Holder&#039;s tightly focused, limited investigation of torture that violated the &quot;Bush Cheney Torture Memos&quot; Is Just More Cover Up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem here is that Attorney General Holder seems to be leaning toward a very narrow investigation about the &quot;wrong&quot; Torture violations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Holder appears to be saying that the Bush &quot;Torture Memos&quot; have the force of law, that the memos became new torture law and that he only has to prosecute violations which were outside of the Torture allowed by the memos. That is false.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &quot;Torture Memos&quot; themselves are a criminal conspiracy to evade our Federal Anti-Torture Laws and to render our Federal Torture Law moot.  A presidentially appointed lawyer can&#039;t make or change Federal Laws no matter who appoints them.  Only Congress can do that. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Prosecute all those that ordered torture in our name, then go after all the other violations of Federal Laws and of our Constitution committed by Bush and Cheney.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only way to protect lower ranking CIA agents, soldiers and law enforcement agents from prosecution for violating Federal Laws ( while under orders from superiors to do so)  is to prosecute the superiors that ordered the illegality in the first place, even if, and especially If it includes former Presidents, Vice Presidents and Directors of the CIA.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Prosecution  of the leaders will protect the agents.  Enforcement of our Torture Laws will protect our freedoms from the tyranny of the powerful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &quot;Only Prosecution deters crime&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SIGN THE PETITIONS&lt;br&gt;Demanding&lt;br&gt;both a Commission of Inquiry&lt;br&gt;and a Special Prosecutor&lt;br&gt;For All Their Crimes&lt;br&gt;   at      ANGRYVOTERS.ORG       &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Torture Momos were used to con normally law abiding, patriotic CIA and FBI agents and US Soldiers into violating our Federal Anti-Torture Laws.  Panetta has become a major part of the current torture cover up. </p>
<p>The fact is that it is the CIA&#39;s own leadership that put their agents in danger of prosecution simply by leadership&#39;s not obeying and respecting our Federal Laws and Constitution.  But then CIA wishes to be exempt from all laws in any country in which it operates, including the United States.  </p>
<p>Bush and Cheney attempted to ignore the law and  thereby put all CIA agents who tortured or conspired to torture, even if they meant well (chuckle), at serious risk of Federal prosecution.  That the leadership of CIA was corrupt at the time does not make what they did any less illegal.  </p>
<p>And Attorney General Holder&#39;s special prosecutor-trial balloon is designed to try to get away with a very narrowly focused, very limited investigation of only a few criminals who tortured using methods worse than the <br />ALREADY ILLEGAL Torture Methods In Bush&#39;s Torture Memos.</p>
<p>We voters need a complete investigation of all the abuses of power and violations of Federal Laws under Bush and Cheney.  Holder&#39;s tightly focused, limited investigation of torture that violated the &#8220;Bush Cheney Torture Memos&#8221; Is Just More Cover Up.</p>
<p>The problem here is that Attorney General Holder seems to be leaning toward a very narrow investigation about the &#8220;wrong&#8221; Torture violations.</p>
<p>Holder appears to be saying that the Bush &#8220;Torture Memos&#8221; have the force of law, that the memos became new torture law and that he only has to prosecute violations which were outside of the Torture allowed by the memos. That is false.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Torture Memos&#8221; themselves are a criminal conspiracy to evade our Federal Anti-Torture Laws and to render our Federal Torture Law moot.  A presidentially appointed lawyer can&#39;t make or change Federal Laws no matter who appoints them.  Only Congress can do that. </p>
<p>Prosecute all those that ordered torture in our name, then go after all the other violations of Federal Laws and of our Constitution committed by Bush and Cheney.</p>
<p>The only way to protect lower ranking CIA agents, soldiers and law enforcement agents from prosecution for violating Federal Laws ( while under orders from superiors to do so)  is to prosecute the superiors that ordered the illegality in the first place, even if, and especially If it includes former Presidents, Vice Presidents and Directors of the CIA.  </p>
<p>Prosecution  of the leaders will protect the agents.  Enforcement of our Torture Laws will protect our freedoms from the tyranny of the powerful.</p>
<p> &#8220;Only Prosecution deters crime&#8221;.</p>
<p>SIGN THE PETITIONS<br />Demanding<br />both a Commission of Inquiry<br />and a Special Prosecutor<br />For All Their Crimes<br />   at      ANGRYVOTERS.ORG       </p>
<p><a href="http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</a></p>
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		<title>By: johnhkennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnhkennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Holder Probe Would Be Big Break From Bush Torture Policy&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh Please, IT IS NOT !&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This trial balloon is designed to try to get away with a very narrowly focused, very limited&lt;br&gt;investigation of only a few criminals who tortured using methods worse than the&lt;br&gt;ALREADY ILLEGAL Torture Methods Approved In The Torture Memos.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unless we voters get a complete investigation of all the abuses of power and violations of Federal Laws, Holder&#039;s tightly focused, limited investigation of torture that violated the &quot;Bush Cheney Torture Memos&quot; means little or nothing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem here is that Attorney General Holder seems to be leaning toward a very narrow investigation about the &quot;wrong&quot; Torture violations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SEE our Federal Anti-Torture Law &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/besdd3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/besdd3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Holder appears to be saying that the Bush &quot;Torture Memos&quot; have the force of law, that the memos became new torture law and that he only has to prosecute violations which were outside of the Torture allowed by the memos. That is false.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &quot;Torture Memos&quot; themselves are a criminal conspiracy to evade our Federal Anti-Torture Laws and to render our Federal Torture Law moot.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Torture Momos were &quot;used to con normally law abiding, patriotic CIA agents and&lt;br&gt;US Soldiers&quot; into violating our existing Federal Torture Laws.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A presidentially appointed lawyer can&#039;t make or change Federal Laws no matter who appoints them. Bush and Cheney attempted to ignore the law and put all who tortured or conspired to torture, even if they meant well (chuckle), at serious risk of prosecution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We the people have to bring these creeps to justice or this will happen again even when the Democrats are in power (perhaps especially, remember President Johnson and Vietnam and Operation Phoenix, thousands assassinated? The CIA again).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Prosecute all those that tortured in our name, then go after all the other Federal Crimes and violations of our Constitution committed by Bush and Cheney.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If House Judiciary Chairman Rep. John Conyers&lt;br&gt;does not soon start hearings in his Committee&lt;br&gt;on the crimes of the Bush Administration&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;WE Must ALL Call For His Resignation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SIGN THE PETITIONS&lt;br&gt;Demanding&lt;br&gt;both a Commission of Inquiry&lt;br&gt;and a Special Prosecutor&lt;br&gt;For All Their Crimes&lt;br&gt;at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We must hang in there...&lt;br&gt;or our own children or grandchildren may in future decades&lt;br&gt;be tortured and imprisoned without cause because of our failure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Holder Probe Would Be Big Break From Bush Torture Policy&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh Please, IT IS NOT !</p>
<p>This trial balloon is designed to try to get away with a very narrowly focused, very limited<br />investigation of only a few criminals who tortured using methods worse than the<br />ALREADY ILLEGAL Torture Methods Approved In The Torture Memos.</p>
<p>Unless we voters get a complete investigation of all the abuses of power and violations of Federal Laws, Holder&#39;s tightly focused, limited investigation of torture that violated the &#8220;Bush Cheney Torture Memos&#8221; means little or nothing.</p>
<p>The problem here is that Attorney General Holder seems to be leaning toward a very narrow investigation about the &#8220;wrong&#8221; Torture violations.</p>
<p>SEE our Federal Anti-Torture Law <a href="http://tinyurl.com/besdd3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/besdd3</a></p>
<p>Holder appears to be saying that the Bush &#8220;Torture Memos&#8221; have the force of law, that the memos became new torture law and that he only has to prosecute violations which were outside of the Torture allowed by the memos. That is false.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Torture Memos&#8221; themselves are a criminal conspiracy to evade our Federal Anti-Torture Laws and to render our Federal Torture Law moot.</p>
<p>The Torture Momos were &#8220;used to con normally law abiding, patriotic CIA agents and<br />US Soldiers&#8221; into violating our existing Federal Torture Laws.</p>
<p>A presidentially appointed lawyer can&#39;t make or change Federal Laws no matter who appoints them. Bush and Cheney attempted to ignore the law and put all who tortured or conspired to torture, even if they meant well (chuckle), at serious risk of prosecution.</p>
<p>We the people have to bring these creeps to justice or this will happen again even when the Democrats are in power (perhaps especially, remember President Johnson and Vietnam and Operation Phoenix, thousands assassinated? The CIA again).</p>
<p>Prosecute all those that tortured in our name, then go after all the other Federal Crimes and violations of our Constitution committed by Bush and Cheney.</p>
<p>If House Judiciary Chairman Rep. John Conyers<br />does not soon start hearings in his Committee<br />on the crimes of the Bush Administration</p>
<p>WE Must ALL Call For His Resignation.</p>
<p>SIGN THE PETITIONS<br />Demanding<br />both a Commission of Inquiry<br />and a Special Prosecutor<br />For All Their Crimes<br />at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</p>
<p><a href="http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</a></p>
<p>We must hang in there&#8230;<br />or our own children or grandchildren may in future decades<br />be tortured and imprisoned without cause because of our failure</p>
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