Mythbusting the Honolulu Newspaper Birth Announcement

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Friday, July 24, 2009 at 6:26 pm

Conservative blogger Tom Maguire takes issue with my story today, specifically the part about Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) presidential campaign checking the record on Barack Obama’s citizenship and coming away satisfied.

Barack’s mom and maternal grandparents had a strong incentive to create a paper trail documenting Obama as a US citizen back in 1961 and it had nothing to do with assuring his future viability as a Presidential candidate.  All they needed to do was imagine a day when the white Ms. Dunham would be engaged in a custody fight in a Kenyan court contesting the fate of a black Kenyan baby sought by the black Kenyan father and his African family, and their course would have been clear.

The problem with this? Parents and relatives don’t, and didn’t, get to place birth announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. As a Star-Bulletin employee explained to WorldNetDaily, the editors “print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System,” and did so in 1961. And the Advertiser worked the same way.

Unsurprisingly, WorldNetDaily used that information to argue that the state could have had bogus information that it passed on to the newspaper, which is absurd on its face. But it really should be enough to debunk this “Obama’s grandparents lied to win a future custody suit” theory.


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451 Comments

ohsuzanna
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Nothing you can say or do, nor any paper you may produce, official or otherwise, will convince a conspiracy theorist that he or she is wrong. You're just going to have to treat it as a mental illness and move along.


citizenship
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

Obama has no one to blame but himself for the controversy. He has failed to produce records that past presidents have routinely made available to the public, even if they proved embarrassing (long form birth certificate, school records, etc.)

Two points:

The birth notices in Hawaiian newspapers were generated by the Hawaiian Health Department and sent to the local newspapers. An employee at the Hawaiian Star Bulletin stated, “We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System. This is how we've always done it.”

In 1961 Hawaii, it was possible to obtain a birth certificate based on the affidavit of a family member. This was a long standing practice in Hawaii. Sun Yat-sen (emperor of china) was able to acquire a Hawaiian birth certificate via affidavit despite being born in China. http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Ce…

So it is possible to account for the “certification of live birth” and the newpaper announcements without a conspiracy.

One affidavit from one family member was enough to account for the “certification of live birth” and the newspaper announcements.

If Obama has nothing to hide and he wants to end the controversy, he should direct the State of Hawaii to release his long form birth certificate which will let eveyone know how it was obtained, along with all of his school records.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

In 1961 Hawaii, it was possible to obtain a birth certificate based on the affidavit of a family member. This was a long standing practice in Hawaii. Sun Yat-sen (emperor of china) was able to acquire a Hawaiian birth certificate via affidavit despite being born in China. http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Ce
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Get your facts straight, that happened well BEFORE Hawaii was a State, birfoon. Do some research. Learn something.


P Brit
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:02 am

Tom Maguire (whomever he may be) has just taken the birther conspiracy theory to a new level of absurdity.

Why would anyone think that a newspaper announcement would have value as evidence in a Kenyan court when one had already obtained an official birth certificate? Even if the grandparents could have placed the announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser (which, as you point out, they couldn't), why would they?

When I first read about the birth announcement in FactCheck.org last summer, I thought that this would put the entire matter to rest. I underestimated the resistence of conspiracy theorists to facts and evidence.

Thank you for the information on how such annoucements are published by newpapers and where the information comes from.


Tom_Maguire
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:09 am

I am mystified – if the birth announcement is based on the birth certificate, and the mother/grandparents can get a birth certificate based on an affidavit (as noted in my post), why is my point that the mom and maternal grandparents had the means and motive to create a false birth certificate and birth announcement debunked? For heaven's sake – the short form certificate says it was recorded Aug 8, 1961 (IIRC), about four days after Obama's birth. Any chicanery (if there was any – I am focusing on motive here) had to have been quick.

Folks who fail to follow the links will not realize that I specifically objected to this bit of analysis from the McCain campaign:

There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance.”

47 years in advance of what? A Presidential run, obviously, but the possible custody suit was a clear and present danger in 1961.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:57 am

These microfiche records of what had allegedly been printed in the Honolulu Advertiser and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin in 1961 are tertiary information sources.

The secondary sources are the pages of these two newspapers themselves – which nobody has produced – and the primary source are the records of the Hawaii state Department of Health Vital Statistics System.

Okay. So has anybody looked into the primary source?

These tertiary sources – the microfiche files – interestingly do not contain notification of the delivery of Mrs. Nordkyke, wife of a prominent pioneering specialist in nuclear medicine, who gave birth to twin daughters on the same day and in the same hospital where it is alleged that Mr. Weigel's Mombasa Messiah first fastened upon a teat.

So how come notification of Mrs. Nordyke's delivery is nowhere in those microfiche records especially if the only way in which the newspapers got their information for those pages was from the Hawaii state Department of Health Vital Statistics System?

Now, if notice of Mrs. Nordyke's blessed event had been expunged from those microfiche pages, there would've been just enough room to insert….

Hm. Another one of those “the dog did nothing in the night-time” items in Barry-boy's personal history, isn't it?


David Simmons
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:13 am

On the off-chance that the wingnut birthers are capable of understanding anything this complex (I know, remote at best given the current level of their discourse and inability to grasp simple facts), this ought to do: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode0… Given that Obama's mother is, and was, an American Citizen, and lived in the US for her entire life, that ought to cover it.

But while we;re demanding documentation: Birthers, please provide some documentation that Obama's mother travelled to Kenya anywhere near the time of his birth? Visa/Passport data, etc. ought to be easy enough to find.


smrstrauss
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:03 am

There is no proof that Obama was born in Kenya. Obama’s grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said he was born in Hawaii.

You can hear her say “America, Hawaii” in response to the question: “Whereabouts was he born?'

Listen to the complete tape.Listen to the complete tape, until after the question “Wherabouts was he born?” http://www.obamacrimes.info/Telephone_Interview…

So, where is the proof? Is there a Kenyan birth certificate? (Birthers allege that there is one but that the government of Kenya has sealed the files. They fail to explain how in a country as corrupt as Kenya if there were a document it could not be obtained for the right price.)

Then, if he were born in Kenya, there would have to be a US document proving that he was IN Kenya at the time. That's because he would have had to get from Kenya to the USA. To do that, he would have needed either a British passport and a US visa on that passport. Or his mother's passport would have had to be changed to include him.

One or the other would have had to have been done while Obama was in Kenya, or he could not get from Kenya to Hawaii.

Either of those documents would be in the files of the US State Department, if they existed. The Republicans were in charge of the State Department for years before the election and for three months after the election. No such document has been found.

So, Grandmother Sarah did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii. There are no documents, Kenyan or US, that show he was born in Kenya.

There is an original birth certificate in Obama's file in 1961, when foreign birth certificates could not be filed. There is the statement from the two officials and the statement by the PR representative of the department that this meant that Obama was born in Hawaii. http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog…

And there is this: http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html

Then, there is the improbability that Obama's mother ever went to Kenya (You had to have a Yellow Fever shot to go to Africa in this days, which is really bad during pregnancy). It was a long and expensive trip half way around the world when there were no direct flights, and when airlines often refused to carry pregnant women in the seventh or eighth month for fear of miscarriage.

But most absurd of all is the idea that IF Obama's mother had gone to Kenya and given birth there, she would lie about it and keep the visit secret all her life. If she had gone to Kenya, it would be something to tell everyone about. Giving birth in Kenya is something that everyone would be interested in, yet no friend of hers has ever said “she told me about the trip to Kenya.”

Then, if she had gone to Kenya, and returned with the child to Hawaii, she would have had to deceive the authorities in Hawaii to believe that the child was born in Hawaii. Why would she do this? Because she thought that the child was going to run for president later in life? How could she dare to do it? Lying on a government form is often considered to be illegal. Why do something illegal when, if she had been to Kenya and returned with the child, there could be witnesses who saw the return.

There is NO evidence she went to Kenya. There is no evidence of birth in Kenya. There is legal evidence that is confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:06 am

Don't drag (and misquote) Sherlock Holmes into your ever-expanding conspiracy theory, test-taker.

Goodness, you can't be satisfied with the most elaborate conspiracy theory in history that would have to implicate dozens if not hundreds of people across decades and political parties.

Now Mr. and Mrs. Prominent White Person didn't get their forty-five cent announcement in a local paper and it's the President's fault?

Go back and re-read Mencken. This time turn the book right-side up. And take your other hand out of your pants. At least put it down the FRONT, if you must keep it down there.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:10 am

“and the mother/grandparents can get a birth certificate based on an affidavit (as noted in my post)”

Please provide evidence of the above.

By evidence I mean specifically to exclude anything that comes from your post. I mean to include solely those items that are objectively true.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:16 am

Never underestimate the power of the crazy in the minds of racists. Obama Derangement Syndrome is going to be in the DSM-V pretty soon.


smrstrauss
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:36 am

Re: “In 1961 Hawaii, it was possible to obtain a birth certificate based on the affidavit of a family member. This was a long standing practice in Hawaii. Sun Yat-sen (emperor of china) was able to acquire a Hawaiian birth certificate via affidavit despite being born in China. http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Ce…

That was 56 or 57 years before Obama was born. A lot changed since then. It was NOT possible to get a birth certificate based solely on an affidavit. Unless the child was born in a hospital and the Department of Health received the documents directly from the hospital, it required the affidavit of a doctor or the midwife to prove birth in Hawaii.

This would have been difficult to arrange if Obama were born in Kenya. The couple would have had to rush home, find a doctor who was willing to sign a lying certificate that said he had delivered the child, and then hand it to the officials. It would also have been illegal, and why take the risk. After all, for most purposes, naturalization is good enough. Someone has commented that the mother could have lied so as to protect herself in a custody battle against the husband. Well, (1) at the time of the birth apparently they were still in love (or why go to Kenya at all, if they did); (2) It was pretty clear that Obama's father wasn't interested in custody; (3) doing something terribly difficult and illegal is a stupid way to protect against a custody suit you could probably win anyway.

Ther is no proof that Obama was born in Kenya. There is no proof that his mother ever went to Kenya. There is legal proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, confirmed by the two officials who looked into the file.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:52 am

I'm quoting the character of Gregory from A. Conan Doyle's “Silver Blaze” (1892), not Holmes. (“The dog did nothing in the night-time”). Jeez, stevie, why don't you ever look anything up?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:56 am

DSM-V is only tentatively scheduled for publication in 2012. Given experience with previous revisions of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV came out in 1994 after a helluva lot of “real soon now” noise), I wouldn't encourage Binki to hold his breath waiting for it.

Anoxia would only add to the effects of the brain damage from which he's obviously already suffering.


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PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:15 am

Sun Yat-sen was never emperor of China. In fact, he led a democratic revolution against the monarchy based on three pillars: “nationalism, democracy and socialism.”


west129
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:35 am

The issue is not the birth-cert but Obama’s qualification to be president:

While I am not interested of Obama is a citizen or not this issue highlights Obama’s main character problems which in turn fuels the “birthing-debate”, and rightly so. Obama has been destroying his credibility by being a compulsive liar. His words mean nothing. Instead of the transparency that he promised we see never-ending deception, concealment and half-truths. Why did he have all his record sealed? What does he have to hide?

Looks to me, since Hawaii claims to have the “long” form of his birth-cert why not release it to resolve that debate? Or, maybe if it is dragged out long enough that cert will magically disappear and the problem goes away? Not so! Obama's character is the issue

Should the long form exists or not doesn’t matter because it will absolutely not be provided. The issue goes much deeper then the birth-cert. The release of the birth-cert is the key to open Obama’s Pandora box. He zealously guards his past and his activities that may expose him unworthy of the presidency. Therefore, complying with just one a request to produce a document will result the request for the rest.

Blinded Obama fans ferociously defend his US citizenship and call opponents nut-cases but are missing the point because they secretly fear that they will not be able to accept the facts that may come to light. Does anybody want to admit that Obama made a fool of them?


west129
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:04 am

Obama himself states that he is an African-American. So he was born in Africa and now lives somewhere in South or North America, may be in Canada, Mexico or Venezuela. There is no such thing as America. I am interested in US citizenship. What kind of educational system does the USA have? Appears that this “America” is all inclusive and the health care reform will provide insurance for all Americans?


Ronny4366
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 8:16 am

What hospital was Obama born in? What doctor was attending the birth?
That information would be easy to provide.
When do the 'birthers' get invited to the White House to talk out this ticklish issue?


Ronny4366
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 8:27 am

To those that think that any information about Obama is 'easy enough to find' let's start with his college records. We'll probably find that they and most everything else were destroyed about the same time as was the original birth certificate.


Ronny4366
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 8:42 am

The complete absence of all corroborative evidence does everything to keep this dispute alive.
Obama has scads of documentation that he could have released to support his claim yet he continues to suppress all of it. That's suspect behavior no matter how one looks at it.


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chriswilliewilliams
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

No, it looks to me like Obama simply feels no need to dignify the ravings of racist conspiracy theorists who sound more detached from reality with each passing day by addressing them. (Particularly since plenty of birthers have flat-out said there is no evidence that could be produced that would satisfy them.)

That's the thing: this doesn't even really count as a “dispute.” Just because a silly fringe movement keeps throwing up increasingly knotty hypotheticals and demanding evidence to the contrary doesn't mean Obama should feel any need to personally refute them. (Particularly when there are plenty of journalists like Dave who are perfectly capable of shooting these theories down for sport.) It's not a dispute if only one side is taking the notion at all seriously.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:15 pm

# 072509-4366

you'll be getting you (re-education) 'invitation' soon enough, be patient.

we've got to bring enough troops home from Iraq first to start sweeping you treasonous bastards up

'hang' tight, ok?


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

“The complete absence of all corroborative evidence…”

'evidence' >> EXACTLY why, in this not Bizzaro-World dimension [where it's the plaintiff not the defendant that needs to provide 'evidence' to substantiate] the (after)'birther' suits keep getting DISmissed. roll the deuce and a halfs, start collecting these (after)'birthers' for re-education (though for many, it appears the 're' isn't applicable).


Alan
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

My white great grandmother, an United States citizen, while visiting England, gave birth to my grandfather. He was automatically considered an U.S. citizen, and as an infant was allowed in to the United States. How could Barack Obama's mother, a U.S. citizen give birth to an illegal? Even if she didn't give birth in the U.S., her infant was an US citizen.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

cww, > “…feels no need to dignify the ravings of racist conspiracy theorists '''” then, there's THAT. rabid (little) ankle-biters (usually/ultimately) get 'kicked', (bigger ones… 'put down').


althusius
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

Obama won't release the long form because the rumor is the certificate is signed by “Wo Fat”, a fictional character on Hawaii Five-O. “Book 'em, Danno!”


smrstrauss
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Who says he was born in Africa?

There is no proof that Obama was born in Kenya. Obama’s grandmother never
said that he was born in Kenya. She said he was born in Hawaii.

You can hear her say “America, Hawaii” in response to the question:
“Whereabouts was he born?'

Listen to the complete tape.Listen to the complete tape, until after the
question “Wherabouts was he born?”
_http://www.obamacrimes.info/Telephone_Interview_with_Sarah_Hussein_Obama_10-16_
(http://www.obamacrimes.info/Telephone_Interview…) -

So, where is the proof? Is there a Kenyan birth certificate? (Birthers
allege that there is one but that the government of Kenya has sealed the files.
They fail to explain how in a country as corrupt as Kenya if there were a
document it could not be obtained for the right price.)

Then, if he were born in Kenya, there would have to be a US document
proving that he was IN Kenya at the time. That's because he would have had to
get from Kenya to the USA. To do that, he would have needed either a British
passport and a US visa on that passport. Or his mother's passport would have
had to be changed to include him.

One or the other would have had to have been done while Obama was in Kenya,
or he could not get from Kenya to Hawaii.

Either of those documents would be in the files of the US State Department,
if they existed. The Republicans were in charge of the State Department
for years before the election and for three months after the election. No
such document has been found.

So, Grandmother Sarah did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that
he was born in Hawaii. There are no documents, Kenyan or US, that show he
was born in Kenya.

There is an original birth certificate in Obama's file in 1961, when
foreign birth certificates could not be filed. There is the statement from the
two officials and the statement by the PR representative of the department
that this meant that Obama was born in Hawaii.
_http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html_
(http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog…
tml)

And there is this: _http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html_
(http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html)

Then, there is the improbability that Obama's mother ever went to Kenya
(You had to have a Yellow Fever shot to go to Africa in this days, which is
really bad during pregnancy). It was a long and expensive trip half way
around the world when there were no direct flights, and when airlines often
refused to carry pregnant women in the seventh or eighth month for fear of
miscarriage.

But most absurd of all is the idea that IF Obama's mother had gone to Kenya
and given birth there, she would lie about it and keep the visit secret
all her life. If she had gone to Kenya, it would be something to tell
everyone about. Giving birth in Kenya is something that everyone would be
interested in, yet no friend of hers has ever said “she told me about the trip to
Kenya.”

Then, if she had gone to Kenya, and returned with the child to Hawaii, she
would have had to deceive the authorities in Hawaii to believe that the
child was born in Hawaii. Why would she do this? Because she thought that the
child was going to run for president later in life? How could she dare to
do it? Lying on a government form is often considered to be illegal. Why do
something illegal when, if she had been to Kenya and returned with the
child, there could be witnesses who saw the return.

There is NO evidence she went to Kenya. There is no evidence of birth in
Kenya. There is legal evidence that is confirmed that Obama was born in
Hawaii.

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kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

citizens yes, but… has to be born on US soil to be a 'natural' born [and qualify to run/be president] citizen which is where the bulk of the 'argument' rests, for this yapping little ankle-biters, otherwise known as (after)'birthers.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

the education system in the US SUCKS \Among adults age 25 to 34, the U.S. is ninth among industrialized nations in the share of its population that has at least a high school degree. In the same age group, the United States ranks seventh, with Belgium, in the share of people who hold a college degree. (2005 study, it's worse now)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/13/natio…

health care in the US? … SUCKS (ranked 37th after Canada 30th, Columbia 22nd, Portugal 12th, Oman 8th and France THEY”RE 1 – THEY'RE # 1.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

I'd recommend Southern France and/or Costa Rica (both have quality FREE health care and education, good food, and better longevity.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

The new birther argument that “natural born” means born on US soil is, frankly, an invention that shows their lack of critical thinking ability, and dislike for facts in general. There is no legal basis for this assertion and, in fact, if they are serious about it, John McCain would be ineligible to be President. But I didn't hear a fuss about *that*, did anyone else? What? Silence? I already provided this link, which, if read by anyone with an IQ over room temperature, proves that he is a US citizen by birth regardless: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode0…

So, the birthers can either admit that John McCain isn't eligible to be President (he was born in Panama) or STFU.


millgrist
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

One would think never. The President has 2 wars, a contracting economy, and health care reform to worry about. Dealing with people who are deliberately ignorant or simply that detached from reality – that would be the “birthers” would be a terrible misallocation his scarce time.

What could they learn at the White House that would convince them they're wrong?


millgrist
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

So the President is a compulsive liar? You give First Amendment speech a bad name with your delusional false accusations. Really, get a grip, eh?


millgrist
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Good news! Obama was born in the State of Hawaii. That makes him a natural born citizen under the Constitution. No worries. He's president because he meets Constitutional requirements, and got more electoral college votes than anybody else.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

Only possibly “compulsive,” gristie. He's certainly proven himself to be a calculating liar.

Again, check out http://colony14.net/id41.html – and bring lunch. You're in for a long read.

Jeez, but this guy writes like he's drafting this piece for submission to peer review at a referee'd journal….


lkt
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Why are you coming up with “facts” and “logic”? That'll never fly in the Birtherverse.


lkt
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Probably the same reason there was no birth announcement for Sarah Palin's baby, Trig, who was allegedly born to her in Alaska. The hospital has every other baby born that month listed on the calendar on their website. Yet, Trig's name is mysteriously absent. Hmmmmm. Could it be that Trig is really Bristol's kid and was delivered by a midwife in Wasilla? Or could it be that the parents have to sign a form saying that they want the hospital to release the announcement of the birth, like I had to do after delivering each of my four children? Perhaps, “Mrs. Nordkyke, wife of a prominent pioneering specialist in nuclear medicine” didn't want the information released. Have you racists…I mean wignuts faked an interview with her yet to tell us what happened. If she's dead, what did she tell you in the seance?

Oh and “Barry-boy”???? Really?? You people don't even try to fake it anymore.


lkt
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Especially when they're merely racists and can't stand the fact that a black man is their leader.


Centipede
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

The birthers have no leg to stand on with this garbage. Yet they continue to persist to my comedic enjoyment. God bless them, everyone.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

Except this “tertiary source” is backed up by Hawaiian authorities who have the last word on who is considered a natural born citizen, thanks to the 14th amendment to the constitution. Whether you consider the Hawaiian authorities trustworthy or not is irrelevant thanks to that.


bruce_webb
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

Sigh. You will never kill this.

There was a time in America where it was possible for an undoubted American citizen to lose her citizenship if she married a foreigner and had not spent the requisite amount of years as a resident of the U.S after the age of 16. As it happens the law that provided for this only applied to marriages prior to 1922. Moreover the limitations on children born to such marriages vis a vis citizen ship were mostly abrogated by the Nationality Act of 1940 and totally obliberated by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. Which of course doesn't stop Birthers of trying to apply the anti-alien act born in the hysteria of the period right after WWI (perhaps the most reactionary period in our history) to Obama and his mother decades after it was no longer in effect.

Complexity is not the problem for the Birthers, it is in fact their friend, as it is for conspiracy theorists generally. For example I made the same argument Smrstrauss did to a Birther about the total lack of evidence of a Kenyan birth. For the Birther that was just proof about how deep the conspiracy ran.

Birthers are no different from most conspiracy theorists or for that matter people of faith generally, they work backwards from their conclusions and discard all paths that don't lead to it. Eventually they find a path or paths back to their desired originating point whereupon they spend the rest of their life weaving that gossamer thread into an anchor chain.


bruce_webb
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Kenya was not even an independent nation in 1961. I suggest the odds of an British Colonial Court (or whatever the proper title was at the time) siding with a British East Africa native against an American woman in a custody battle when the father had clearly abandoned the family and still had a legal wife and children back in Kenya are somewhere between remote and ridiculous. Plus how would the order be enforced? Were the British going to send gunboats into Pearl Harbor?

The custody battle story falls apart just as fast as the antecedent 'fly a heavily pregnant woman to Kenya and smuggle the baby back story does'. Neither is a clear and present anything whether you look at the situation from the standpoint of 1961 or 2007.


smrstrauss
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

In a message dated 7/25/2009 12:16:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

Sun Yat-sen was never emperor of China.

It was not me who said that he was emperor. He was a republican leader in
China. Apparently he received an Hawaiian birth certificate in 1907 or 1909
or something, although he was born in China.

My point was that although that happened nearly sixty years before Obama's
birth, things had changed greatly between the early 1900s and the 1960s,
and Hawaii had new measures to prevent people from getting certificates or
certifications that said “born in Hawaii” when they were born outside of
Hawaii. I have seen one researcher who said that Hawaii demanded a signed
statement from the delivering midwife or doctor if the child were born outside
of a hospital.

So the example of Sun Yat Sen does not apply to Obama. There is proof that
he was born in Hawaii, and no proof that he was born anywhere else.
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bruce_webb
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Okay doke. On the 14th of March 1904 a person identifying himself as Sun-Yat Sen reporting himself currently living in the town of Kula, Maui, got a 'Certificate of Hawaiian Birth' claiming to have been born in the Hawaiian Islands on the 24th day of November 1870.

Now the world historical figure Sun-Yat Sen was born in 1866 and moved to live with his brother Sun Mei, a former laborer turned prosperous merchant, in Honolulu, Hawaii when he was thirteen, that is in 1879. He attended school at the prestigious Iolani prep school which then and now is situated in downtown Honolulu.He graduated from Iolani in 1882 and after a semester at Oahu College (now Punahou) was sent home to China arriving there in 1883. After his return Sun got involved in Chinese politics which turned revolutionary. He returned to Hawaii in 1894, founded a revolutionary society, then backed a failed coup in 1895, whereupon he spent 16 years in exile in Japan, the U.S., and Europe and in the process becoming a world famous individual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen

Yet per Citizenship we are expected to believe that Sun, who in 1904 was years from even being President of China, happened to be in Hawaii and amidst all of his world-spanning revolutionary activity decided to stop by the Office of the Secretary of the Hawaiian Territory and by “affidavit and the testimony of witnesses” not only attest that he was currently living on Maui but had been born in 1870, i.e. just 12 years before graduating from a Hawaiian Prep School.

One, there is no evidence I see that Sun was in Hawaii in 1904 to start with.
Two, he would seem to have no motive to claim American birth, the guy was shooting to become leader of China.
Three, even if for some reason he wanted such a keepsake he had no reason to lie about his current place of residence and place himself on an island that he may never have visited.
Four, there would seem to be about zero point in his lying about his date of birth
Fifth. Since a lot of local people would know that he graduated from Prep School in 1882, quite a feat for a 12 year old lad who in 1879 knew no English.

A far more likely explanation is that this record is of a totally different Sun Yat-Sen, after all Sun is not that uncommon a surname. We could even speculate that this Sun Yat-Sen was perhaps the nephew of the more famous one, being the son of merchant Sun Mei who being born in 1850 or 1851 could well have had a son born in 1870. In that case it would make perfect sense for uncle and nephew born four years apart to have the same given name.

But on this thin foundation built of straw we are expected to believe that anyone could simply get a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth more or less on a lark, (I guess much as I got that certificate of being a Citizen of the Kingdom of the Goddess Pele by visiting Kilauea Crater in 1962 (prior to it erupting some years later.) and that further that is good reason to doubt Obama's COLB.

As I noted elsewhere this is what happens when you start from a conclusion and work backwards and busily weave every piece of 'evidence' you encounter along the way.

Sun Yat-Sen, the never emperor of China, did not get a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth in March 1904. Those who suggest he did have a good deal of work to do to explain away all the contradictions in the only piece of record material they even brought forth. You wonder if any of them even read any farther than 'Sun Yat-Sen'

But having spent an hour or so tracking this down, do you think it will convince Birfers of anything? Not a chance.


jtx
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

David Simmons:

Quite a number of people on this blog have pointed out that McCain was also not eligible … nor was Roger Colera.

You just missed the information


euphgeek
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:20 am

If the COLB was a fake or doctored up, the state of Hawaii would have said that it’s not a valid COLB. Instead, they said it is a valid COLB. The state of Hawaii has the last word on this, so your requests for more proof than that will go perpetually denied and President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper will remain President of the United States until he is either voted out in 2012, or he serves the maximum two terms. I’m betting on the latter, especially if people like you continue to demand his birth certificate.

Oh, and you want something to click on? Here, try this:

janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov

Address your questions and complaints to her. Alternatively, you can call her at (808) 586-4442 for a more immediate response.


jtx
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

Alan:

That may very well be true … but “citizenship” is not the issue. The requirement in the Constitution is “natural born citizen” and Obama has never whown that he qualifies under that requirement.

It is eligibility to hold the office he occupies that is the issue.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:35 am

What we have, geek – you and I both – is not the COLB itself but rather computer graphic images allegedly scanned from such a COLB.

Such an image is emphatically not a real, print-on-paper, signed and sealed, official, issued-by-the-government-of-the-state-of-Hawaii Certification of Live Birth.

Do we need a trephine and some elbow grease to get that into your thick skull, geekie? The validity of the contents found in those images has never been related to such a real legal document.

In the words of forensic documents examiner Linda Lingle (who examined those graphic images), “if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness.

Sworn attestation, Supreme Court of the State of Hawaii, December 4, 2008.

What, now I get out the skin hooks and the power drill?


euphgeek
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:44 am

So go ahead and examine it if you can get your hands on it. If you can’t because you have no tangible interest in it, then that’s tough. You’ll just have to take the state of Hawaii’s word that what is on the COLB is what’s in their database. If you want their word, just click the e-mail link above or call the number. I know you’ll never accept any proof, you’ll just move the goalposts like you always do, but sooner or later you’ll just have to accept that no further proof is forthcoming and get on with your life (such as it is).


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:46 am

So, your ‘witness’ in this didn’t examine the *actual* document either? Well then … I’m pretty sure whatever she says is bullshit then. She examined some version of the on-line version? How can we be sure it wasn’t an online version that had been altered to LOOK like a forgery by one of you birther whack jobs? That’s what sounds like the most reasonable explanation to me. Some conspiracy-theorist nutbag altered the on-line version, presented it to a “document expert” to be “examined” and it was (shockingly) declared a ‘forgery.’ And … conspiracy confirmed!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:53 am

Gawk, geek the obtuse. Nobody – not you, not anybody else, geek – can “take the state of Hawaii’s word” on the contents of Barry Soetoro’s putative COLB because no officer of the state of Hawaii has given his/her word on what those contents are.

Barry either has to cough up what he claims is his birth certificate – serving the burden of proof – or he’s got to stop spending hundreds of thousands of bucks playing fancy lawyer tricks to quash court orders to pry the goddam thing loose from the state of Hawaii and look at the friggin’ thing.

Jeez, geek, but what head-up-your-large-bowel Obamaphile suck-up you really are.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:55 am

Reality, test-taker? Do you subscribe?

In reality, the Hawaiian authorities authenticated the COLB.

In reality, they didn’t need to.

In reality, Obama was President before they authenticated it. He’s still President now.

In reality, you still have the burden of proof.

In reality, you’ve admitted you have no proof and what’s more, you indicated you don’t need any.

Because in reality, you’re just screeching to be heard. You don’t care what you get attention for. That’s why you stupidly tried to differentiate boogers from loogies when I asked you to, knowing that you’re too much of a tool to know when you’re being mocked.

So keep going, and keep insulting other people. It just drives home the point that you’re a pathetic little shriveled-up husk who sees usurpers and tyranny behind every corner. Even the stupidest of your breed didn’t plaster this website with death threats against the sitting President, like you did. It’s more proof of how stupid you are, as if espousing birther arguments wasn’t enough.

You even post about Mrs. Nordyke Prominent White Lady not getting her birth announcement published on the day that Obama’s announcement was published and make it out that the two things are related.

This one time, a white guy put a dollar in a vending machine and no M&M’s came out. Doesn’t mean a black guy stole shares of Mars Inc. stock, test-taker. Just means the vending machine is possessed.

And Mrs. Nordyke, if she exists, is not the victim of a huge, elaborately-planned scheme that would make James Bond and Jason Bourne guffaw at its implausibility.

You’re just a tool. Simple. A racist, xenophobic, threat-making, power-fearing tool.

You got that, test-taker? No? I didn’t think you did.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Nope. Lingle was called in to look at the images, which is all that your beloved Barry has ever permitted anybody to see of what he says is his personal, real, honest-to-Allah COLB.

That’s all she was called upon to do, and that quote I pulled was from the last paragraph of her sworn attestation.

Lingle said what most of us “birthers” have been saying, Davey. If Barry’s got such a COLB tucked away, why the hell hasn’t he pulled it out and put it in front of objective, qualified examiners to attest as to its “genuineness or non-genuineness”?

Now, I know that you don’t give a shit about quality of evidence, ’cause you’re almost certainly a raving Obamaphile and you know that your Mombasa Messiah’s real Hawaii COLB (if he’s got one) is going to read something other than “Honolulu” in the “Place of Birth” slot.

And then you’re SOL and Barry’s on his way to a secure little room somewhere in Marion, Ohio.

I don’t expect you to admit that, Davey, but, hell, my expectations of Obamaphiles doesn’t rise much above my expectations of any other bunch of Tranzi trash.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Obama’s birth certificate says “African” where his FATHER’s race is listed.

As David Simmons keeps trying to tell you, that’s because the dude’s African.

His son’s a Negro. Don’t try to read that too fast or your head will hurt again.


west129
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Obama says he was born in Africa:

You know Obama is very well educated, matter of fact he claims (the records are sealed) to be a professor and got his education at Howard. As our president, Obama wouldn’t be lying to us when he states that he indeed is an “African-American”: I believe him and so should you because he as a layer (Bar cert sealed) knows the meaning of words:

Obama says he is an African American, meaning he was born somewhere in Africa and now lives somewhere in North-, Middle- or South America.

Since when has Africa become something different than a continent, where does it end? The meaning of words doesn't change. I hope you were taught that an African can be either of the mongolide, negrid or europede race. Therefore, “African” American means Obama was born on the continent of Africa.

What do you think America or Africa means? Just because the democratic elite likes to blind you with new meaningless concepts doesn’t make your argument stronger but rather highlights the validity of the fundamental arguments that is concealed in the “birthing’ discussion: For a Marxist elitist the end justifies the means, therefore, all records remain sealed and the “long” birth cert will not be released.

Educated people who rose to the ranks of elitists got accustomed playing with the mind of the proletariat they educated (brain-washed) in their government run schools. Did you get taught the subject of “America” and “Africa”? Or are you part of the proletariat Obama refers to as “stupid” when he spoke his mind in defending his academic friend, the professor Gates? Take Obama’s word, he was talking about you and to you.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:06 am

You’re not even in the realm of stupidity anymore. Now you’re descending into some nether world of idiot-plasm.

Lingle’s quote doesn’t mean a thing. If an original exists, you look at it. No shit. If an original doesn’t exist, you look at a certified copy.

Go back to your burden of proof website. Don’t call anyone else out for wanting you to prove a negative. Your entire argument rests on making up nonsense and then telling other people to prove that your nonsense didn’t happen.

God you’re stupid.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

Oh, yeah. Dr. Nordyke (a nuclear medicine specialist back in the days when radionucleotide imaging was in its infancy) didn't want his wife's delivery of twin girls in the hospital where he was on staff to have that delivery “listed on the calendar” provided to the newspapers by the Hawaii state Department of Health Vital Statistics System.

And when did you deliver your four kids, hm? I've got more than a wee little suspicion that you weren't around in 1961, much less capable of coming up with an idea of how things were being done back then.

Little hint: no hospital in Hawaii (or anyplace else) had a “website.”

Well, if they weren't stupid, they wouldn't be butt-sucking Obamaphiles, would they…?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

References, geek? More on those “Hawaiian authorities” who have “backed up” these microfiche tertiary sources?

You got that, geek?

No?

Yeah, well, I didn't think you did.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

And you, gristie, have a faux noir Fraudulence-in-Chief who's destined to establish the first Presidential Library ever in a federal penitentiary, and you're desperate to distract attention from his criminal culpability.

Whatcha think: Leavenworth, Kansas? Marion, Ohio? Atlanta, Georgia?

Express a preference early, kid. The federal marshals could be coming for him with the handcuffs any day now.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:14 am

Then call or e-mail the Hawaii Dept. of Health and ask for their word. But instead of doing that, I’m sure you’ll just keep replying nonsense to me because you’re too damn lazy to do any legwork yourself.

And let’s see any proof that President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper has spent dime one defending himself from the birfer lunacy.

Let me also see any evidence you have that I should doubt the veracity of the scanned image that the Obama campaign produced. So far all you’ve said is that it could be doctored, but you’ve never offered any evidence.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:19 am

If an original exists, stevie, your colleague, Barry Soetoro controls its release.

Unless court proceedings go forward to compel its disclosure from Hawaii state government archives according to Hawaii state law, that is.

So why is your Messiah spending upwards of a million bucks (possibly more by now) in legal fees to procedurally quash such efforts?

What the hell is he hiding, counselor?

Jeez, stevie, you sure you’re a lawyer?


prsmith
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

You're absolutely right however assuming that Ms. Obama (or whatever her name was at that time) returned from Kenya with her new baby and entered him into the Hawaiian records as having been born there, the newspapers would have picked up the data from the Vital Statistics office and printed it as genuine.

You've neither proved nor disproved anything — but it was a nice try.


prsmith
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

That's helpful. . .thanks for nothing:

Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > Section 1401

§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

Title 8 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of Jan. 8, 2008, and it is this version that is published here.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/HowCurrent.p… May 2 07:41:55 2009


prsmith
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

Careful, your opinion is showing <g>


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:59 am

Well, okay. You’ve scanned Polarik’s report, right? At:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

There’s another evaluator’s take on it at:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

…and the attestation of forensic documents examiner of Sandra Ramsey Lines (not Lingle; my bad) from which I’d quoted above can be found at:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/executedsandralinesdeclaration_1.pdf

While you’re at it, try:

http://colony14.net/id41.html

(which is pretty grindingly thorough). Enjoy, I guess.


prsmith
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 12:00 am

“The new birther argument that “natural born” means born on US soil ”

OF PARENTS WHO ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS.

You forgot that part. As to the source, you might try reading the founding fathers and Vatell:

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. “


prsmith
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 12:02 am

John McCain was NOT eligible to be the POTUS per the words of the founding father (in my opinion. of course).

May I speak now?


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 12:05 am

Wow. That's one big bag of crazy you have there, mixed with a whole lot of stupid. You have a license for that?


euphgeek
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 12:20 am

Well as we've seen, what you think and what is actual fact are two completely different things.

“When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his [Obama's] site. That’s the birth certificate.” –Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Hawaii Dept. of Health

As for the theory that Obama’s original birth certificate might show he was foreign born, Okubo said the “Certification of Live Birth” would say so. Obama’s does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.

Even the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican who at the time was stumping for John McCain, said it [the COLB] was on the up-and-up.

All of those back up the fact that the COLB is enough proof for the state of Hawaii which means the birth announcements are not forgeries, either. Again, if you have proof that either Okubo or Lingle are lying, I encourage you to show that proof to the proper authorities. Merely saying they “could have been forged” will not stand up in any court of law.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 12:29 am

So, you'd like to use a different version of the law than the current one? What version is that? The one that says that black people are only 3/5 of a person perhaps? Or maybe you like the (sub)genius who posted that, because Barack calls himself African American he was, therefore, born in Africa? (I might point out that, based on this 'logic' Colin Powell was also, apparently, born in Africa, but that might make someone's head explode. Or not, you guys have disavowed Colin now, haven't you?)

So, prsmith, you want to apply the Founding Father's version? well, there are a *few* problems with that. Just a couple. That sort of goes back to the 3/5 of a person thing again, huh?

Damn, there I go again trying to point out a flaw in the logic of the thinking in the arguments, when there is neither logic nor thinking involved at all! Silly me.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 12:35 am

Um, yes, actually, it DOES mean he qualifies. Natural Born Citizen means *exactly* that. He was BORN a citizen. He did not BECOME one LATER (a 'naturalized citizen' is one who becomes a citizen later in life). So, Barack Obama's citizenship was bestowed on him based on the citizenship of his mother, at birth, and thus he is a natural born citizen.

There are only 2 classifications of US Citizens: Natural Born and Naturalized. You're either one, or the other. There are no shades of grey here.

He is eligible to hold the office which he occupies. Even those notoriously 'activist' judges on the Supreme Court — that bastion of liberalism, obviously under the control of Barack Obama — refused to hear these claims as they were entirely without merit.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 12:37 am

Right! And furthermore, would one of the birthers please point out where it is written anywhere that one has to be “born on US soil” to be a natural born citizen? Or that BOTH parents must be US citizens?

Let's start with one of you geniuses providing some factual basis for even your most rudimentary argument.


west129
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Yes I have a license for that. It's the same license I issued Obama so he is allowed to talk stupidly to those who are willing to listen to his crazy-talk.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:53 am

Polarik? Please. That’s been pretty much debunked as the amateurish “analysis” that it is. As for Sandra Lines, she admitted that “it [is] impossible to determine whether the document is genuine or fake”, based on an image on the Internet.

No, I want some real evidence, not some anonymous bloggers on the internet. Evidence that would prove that Janice Okubo’s statement that “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate” is false.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 12:57 am

And, again, no references.

Do you really “do research” for a living, geek? Not for anybody submitting work for peer review, certainly.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:00 am

When did I ever say I “do research” for a living? And again, if you have proof that either Okubo or Lingle are lying, just show the proof.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Sorry, geek! I thought I caught something in the email folder while shoveling trash into the “Deleted” folder, and someone with a “geek” type handle had posted something about doing research for a living, et-yammering-cetera.

Not “lying,” little guy. Try “mistaken.”

By the bye, you got those references?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 6:26 am

Have you analyzed how Polarik has been allegedly “debunked”?

Have they addressed his observations and his conclusions or have they simply gone full-bore into argumentum ad hominem, attacking him personally in an effort to escape obligation to address the points he raises?

And look into Okubo’s statement carefully, geek. Especially at what she does not say while she’s trying to keep herself from getting slaughtered in this melee.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 6:32 am

Why ask me questions about an argument you refuse to read? Regarding Okubo’s statement, I knew you would just move the goalposts like you always do.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:32 am

OK, provide proof that they're mistaken. By the way, Hawaii determines who is and who is not a natural-born citizen for those they issue birth certificates to by way of the 14th amendment to the constitution. Therefore, if the state of Hawaii says he is a natural-born citizen is, then he is. Disagree? Too bad.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:49 am

Yet again with the demand for a negative proof, geek? Check out the burden of proof fallacy's description on the Nizkor Web site.

I don't have to provide “proof that they're mistaken” to observe, for example that Okubo's statement that “the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his [Obama's] site” doesn't say that those prima facie credible-looking images on Barry's now-taken-down Web sites contain the same information as a real, print-on-paper COLB would include if it were issued for “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” today.

None of the statements you're quoting or para-quoting are in and of themselves either definitive or supported. Indeed, all of your sources above are – as I've said – covering their butts like the proverbial fan-dancer.

When I say “references,” geek, I mean LINKS. Something clickable that can be checked out. I know what I've read on this bloody mess your Messiah has made, but I to evaluate your own credibility, I need to read whatever in hell you think you've come up with.

Could be – probably is – crap, but I'm happy to take a look at it.

So show it.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:55 am

Don't quote inapplicable law. The Law of Nations has ZERO to do with this. You may as well ask the Smurfs how they would deal with it if Gargamel had a child.

You are free and in fact encouraged to scream about this to a TV news camera as loudly and emotionally as you can. Be sure to cover your birth certificate in a zip-lock bag so that you don't spill any pudding on it.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:57 am

Tip from a veteran birther-basher, David:

Put a bit of padding on your monitor. Saves your forehead a lot of injury when you bang your head against it after trying to get birthers to drop their racist xenophobic conspiracy theory by appealing to their sense of rationality and fair play.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:59 am

No. McCain's eligibility was in question until a special Act of Congress, to which Obama had no objection, was passed deciding that McCain was eligible to run for President notwithstanding his birth in the Panama Canal.

No one questioned Obama's eligibility (aside from Berg that is) because Obama was born in the U.S. Hawaii. Jan. 4, 1961. Anyone with an internet connection can see his birth certificate. It's all astoundingly simple. Except that birthers are racist xenophobes. There's the rub.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:01 am

David. We've talked about this.

Giving facts to birthers is like feeding Gremlins after midnight.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:04 am

It's written right here, David. I SAY SO. Come on man, can't you read?

I don't trust Obama. He's an Arab. I know because I saw him in Arabia. He was wearing a turban. I saw him. Well it was on my computer. But it said he was an A-rab. Why would decent people lie to me? You're trying to pull a fast one.

Natural born means what it says. Born naturally. Doesn't take a liberal book reader to know that. Obama was born by circumcision section. To a alien daddy.

JESUS H. CHRIST. Don't any of you commie libtards read?

This could all be laid to rest so easily.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:05 am

I bet the people come to take you to the padded cell first.

Anyone want to take the bet? Generous odds laid…


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:10 am

Hey, so the final crop of grandkids are driving me and the wife crazy. So?

Ooh, you're gambling online now, counselor? Careful! Federal crime, isn't it?

And no content, no content, and yet again no content…. Tsk.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:13 am

And I told you, you write like your other job is drafting copy for the World Wrestling Federation.

You have no business saying anything. You should just be grateful you're breathing. God don't like ugly.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:16 am

Who says we want to kill it? I want free advertising for the Democratic party. Ziplock bag waving lunatics get airtime for free. Picture's worth a thousand words and all that.

I look at this blog like a jar and the birthers are bugs. I shake the jar. I'm eventually going to take the lid off and the pissed-off bugs will crawl out into GOP headquarters and eat their way back out.

Help me see where I'm wrong, given that we have adequate Secret Service protection for those who need it?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:27 am

Yet more “ex-English major” crap. Tsk. Gettin' more than your usual level of pointless stupidity in there, stevie.

(( Hm. Used to know a colleague who'd served as a ringside physician at the early WWF events. He'd been a wrestler in high school and college – I mean, a real wrestler, in school league and conference competitions. Told me a lot about how carefully “scripted” those entertainments are, though more than a few times they got out of control owing to 'rhoid rage. He got more than a little suturing time in. I told him what I'd read in Pappy Boyington's autobiography, Baa, Baa, Black Sheep (1958), where Boyington described how he'd worked as a “professional” wrestling referee in his later years. My colleague confirmed that it had been pretty much the same in the '80s when he'd been working with the WWF. You think my style would work in “drafting copy” for them now, stevie? With the way CMS has been screwing down Medicare reimbursements, I might need the income. ))

And a lawyer talking about what “God don't like”?

Puh-LEESE!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:40 am

First you were referring to Obama’s term for himself, which was African
American, and you used that term as a way of alleging that Obama had said that
he was born in Kenya. Obama did not say that he was born in Kenya, and
when he said African American, it was after 1961 (which was when he was born).
It was when he wrote the book, which was sometime this decade, when
African-American is accepted as racial term.

Your comments on African seems to refer to the birth certificate, in which
the father is described as African. This is explained easily. The birth
certificate posted and shown to FactCheck and PoliFact is not the original
birth certificate. It is a summary of the original, known as Certification of
Live Birth, and in that summary a clerk looks at the original and enters
something on a form. She or he may have seen Negro and entered African.

Yet, whatever she or he entered as to the race of the father has nothing to
do with the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii. The proof that he was born
in Hawaii is OVERWHELMING.

First, there is the legal proof of the Certification of Live Birth, which
Obama has posted on line and shown to BOTH FactCheck and Polifact, and which
the officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent to him. (At this
point birthers usually say “Factcheck is a liberal organization.” But it is
absurd to believe that both FactCheck and Polifact could make up the comments
by the officials in Hawaii or forge the Certification that is shown in
great detail on FactCheck’s site.)

The Certification of Live Birth is not the original birth certificate, but
it is THE official birth certificate of Hawaii now, and it is the only
birth certificate that Hawaii sends out.
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The next allegation by the birthers is that Hawaii’s certification is also
issued to people who were born outside of Hawaii. Yes, this is true, but
this was not the case in 1961. When Obama was born in 1961, only
Hawaii-issued birth certificates could be filed in Hawaii birth certificate files. (And
even today, when a child is born outside of Hawaii and receives a Hawaii
birth document, that document cannot lie, so if the kid were born in Mexico,
the document would read like this: “Hawaii Certification of Live Birth.
Location of Birth: Mexico.”

But Obama’s birth certificate says on it: “Location of Birth: Honolulu,
Hawaii.”

Could the original birth certificate in the file be a delayed birth
certificate or a certification of Hawaiian birth? No because both of those
require substantial delays, of several months to a year. Yet we know from the
notices posted in the newspapers on the weekend after Obama’s birth (notices
that were sent out by the Hawaii government and were NOT advertisements) that
there was no delay in registering Obama’s birth. The newspaper notices
are themselves proof. They are identical notices in both of the major
newspapers of Hawaii, and they were sent out by the Department of Vital Records
ONLY for births in Hawaii, and not for births outside of Hawaii.

Repeat. The notices in the two newspapers were documents sent out by the
Department of Vital Records, and they were not sent out for births outside of
Hawaii. Only for births inside of Hawaii.

Then, in addition to the proof of the Certification itself, and the
confirmation that the Department sent a certification to Obama, and the notices
in the newspaper, there occurred the confirmation of the two officials who
looked into the file and said that there was an original birth certificate in
the file. Since Hawaii did not allow foreign birth certificates to be
filed in 1961, and it cannot be a delayed or Hawaiian certificate because there
was no delay, the original birth certificate in the file can only be a
Hawaiian birth certificate. And this was confirmed in a press interview
(supplemented by the same thing in writing in an e-mail) which was done by the
spokeswoman for the Department of Health of Hawaii and quoted by the Chicago
Tribune
(_http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html_
(http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html) )

And in addition to all that official proof that Obama was born in Hawaii,
there is this witness who confirms hearing about the birth to a woman called
Stanley at the time, and writing about it to her father, who also was
called Stanley. (_http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html_
(http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html) )

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David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Yeah, it's just so much fun to give them MORE facts to have to spin around. Every now and then, one of their heads explode, or the blue smoke gets out. At least those that haven't learned about this site yet: http://bit.ly/8Exi Once they learn about that, we're done for.


Westcoaster
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:28 am

There has never been any evidence that Obama's mother ever traveled to Kenya, least of which giving birth in Kenya. As to the stupid rendition that she was sent there to have a baby, it makes absolutely no sense. Obama's father was studying in the US when he was born. To think that Obama's mother will go to Kenya all by herself, without her husband or member of her own family, to stay and have a baby, is total nonsense and lunacy. All you racist birthers need to get a life.

Come to think of it, keep it up. It shows the rest of the country and the world what a bunch of ignorant, narrow minded lunatic, you all are.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:42 am

You poor moron. The word “African” appears on the birth certificate because his Father is AFRICAN. Dumbass. Jeez, at least TRY to make this hard, ok?

And I think it's time to dial your meds up a few notches, ok sparky? The crazy is *really* breaking through.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:46 am

You sure do take a long time to say whole lot of nuthin', test-taker.

You're still a sad, pathetic man screeching about a usurper. Tell the truth. You hurt inside. Because of the voices. And the memories. It was awful. What they did to you. What HE did to you. That's your special area. And no one has the right to do what he did.

There. That better? Now you can stop with the raving lunacy.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:57 am

“I hope you were taught that an African can be either of the mongolide, negrid or europede race.”

I hope that the sugar that came in the packets from whence your education came was tasty. None of those three words (mongolide, negrid, or europede) is an actual word.


smrstrauss
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:21 am

African American is a synonym for Negro or Black. I am amazed that you did
not know it.
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Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:30 am

Now “African-American” is the PC term. Back in 1961, the common usage (indeed, the only option permitted) obliged the word “Negro.”

And Barry's supposed biological father wasn't any more “African” in ethnicity than you, strauss, are “North American.”

Africa is a continent. Egyptian Arabs, Berber tribesmen in the Rif, Afrikaaners further south. Lots of different ethnicities. There would no more be any use of “African” to describe a man's race in 1961 than there'd be use of the term “European” to describe a Black man of Jamaican descent born and raised in London.

Jeez how stupid d'you have to be in order to be an Obamaphile?

(( Like I have to ask that question? ))


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:47 am

i heard barack helped fake the moon landings. it's true. i asked my cat about it and he couldn't refute my 120 page spell checkered document proofing it.

the toaster has been laughing at me and the fridge thinks i'm crazy but i know the trufe about obama being a secret muslim radical black christian and — incredibly — a fascist and a socialist at the same time.

barack faked the moon landing just like he faked his birth. you see, he wasn't really born at all. he was built by tiny little humanoid north pole sweat shop workers and he's planning to make every day christmas, but only for non white people.

white people will have to buy christmas presents for everyone else every day until they've finally sapped our precious bodily fluids. oh, yes. obama is also behind the fluoridation conspiracy. drink only pure uncontaminated rain water.

people who believe the world is round are saps.


AcaciaJules
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 6:28 am

Well, if you could the girl smurf, who Gargamel created, I guess he kind of DID have a child…..


andyw123
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 6:38 am

You are missing the part where Hawaiian law *allows* for a birth certificate to be generated based on the affadavit of a family member. In other words, if Obama was born in Kenya, his grandmother could have easily gone to the department of health in Honolulu and signed an affadavit saying he was born in her living room. The original long form birth record would indicate whether Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii or if some family member signed a form *saying* he was born in Hawaii. And that's what it really comes down to. It's very simple, but for some reason there are many people who rabidly attack anyone who suggests this.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Well crap. In following up on this I found that logic only takes you so far. It turns out there is a super-abundance of evidence supporting the idea that this document was actually issued to THE Sun Yat-Sen and seems part of a scheme to get around the draconian anti-Chinese immigration laws in the U.S. at that time. The following seems to be a pro-Sun history site that reproduces a wide range of documents concerning Sun Yat-Sen’s 6 visits to Hawaii during the latter two of which he claimed Hawaiian birth. Oh well at least I debunked my own theory.
http://sunyatsenhawaii.org/


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

No David Simmons the word “African” appears on the birth certificate not because his Father is AFRICAN but because it is a worthless, fake cert issued by Obama who thinks and say that we all are part of the “stupid” proletariat and will eat his crap.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Sorry, you poor delusion dipshit, the ONLY place on the brith certificate (see image here: http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg) where the word “African” appears is under his FATHER’s race. His mother is listed as Caucasian. Father listed as “African” and NO RACE WHATSOEVER is listed for the child.

Oh, sorry, didn’t mean to mess up your little delusion with a fact. But then again, you’re going to claim that is a forgery, so it doesn’t matter, even though you JUST claimed it said something it clearly does not.

This is silly. You bunch are a real gift. Cream of the crop. How can you see to type through those white hoods? As another poster said earlier, please, PLEASE keep this up for at least 4 more years so that those of us who are serious about repairing the damage done by our last dip into the shallow end of the gene pool can get some work done without you gill-breathers getting in our way.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Who says he was born in Africa and who says he was born in Hawaii?

Smrstrauss you state:
“So, where is the proof? Is there a Kenyan birth certificate? (Birthers allege that there is one but that the government of Kenya has sealed the files. They fail to explain how in a country as corrupt as Kenya if there were a document it could not be obtained for the right price.)”

Well said, because it hits the nail right on its head: The same applies to the US except that the parties are so corrupt, taking Trillions of Dollars from us. One would have to offer Quadrillions to get the original cert released. Sounds like Obama uses Kenya’s government style as model by sealing all his files. But wouldn’t you expect that from a cocaine user?

Your statement proofs, the issue is not the birth-cert but Obama’s qualification to be president


GregNH
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

And I can attest to this being real too.

http://gwgjlm.blogspot.com/2009/07/brack-obamas…


evreport
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

Typo: WorldNutDaily


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

Original Paper Birth Certificates…

[You Won't Get It, Period]

Unlike that Crazed Lady Presenting a So-Called Birth Certificate in a Zip Lock Bag, which she Claimed is Authentic.

She should be put to the Task of [Proof]

I Requested My SC Birth Certificate, because I Needed it, to Acquire My [Passport] and the SC Department sent me a Miniature State Sealed [Copy]

I Did Not get a Full Sized [Original Paper Birth Certificate]

I Received a [Miniature Certified State Sealed Birth Certificate]

I sent that Copy to the US Passport Office and Received My [US Passport] 45 Days Later.

You will Never get the Original Paper Birth Certificate, Because of Security Reasons, Internet, Photo-Shopping and Fraud.

The Fraudulent Misuse of Citizen's Information through Scrupulous People & Groups, getting Access to People's Social Security Numbers are Wide Spread.

Imagine the State Showing or Giving Access to Your State & Federal ID to All that wanted Access.

Some of You People are [Hateful & Bitter]

He's Our Nation's [44Th President]

Live with and Move On with Life.

He's President Of The USA…

Finished
————–


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!
———————


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

Why not You, Lou Dobbs, False News [Fox News], Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage & Bill O'Reily, go to [Kenya] and Prove He's from Kenya, along with a Sworn Statement from his…

[Kenyan Step-Mother]

It would be the Find of the Century !!!

You Low Life, Hate Monger….

Fly with the Rich Republican Hate Monger Machine and get the Kenyan Citizenship Proof you Need.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

The problem with this. Parents and Relatives don’t and didn’t, get to Place Birth Announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. As a Star-Bulletin employee explained to WorldNetDaily, the editors “print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System,” and did so in 1961. And the Advertiser worked the same way.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

So how are you going to proof Obama was born in Hawaii? By feeding us all kinds of theories? Still doesn’t proof he has the character suitable for a president of the US. May be of Venezuela.

Why isn’t Obama what he clams he is: Transparent and open, and that’s the point. Let’s see that primary document. What’s the big deal? Do you have it or are you just defending the omnipotent Obama who is making a fool of the pro and con birthers? Sealing virtually all the records proves to me he is not who he claims he is and he certainly is not open and transparent! Get my point of what the debate is all about?

Answer this question: Why did he seal all his records? I know. So nothing can be proven and the speculations about how shady his character is can go on and on. Sorry, you and I can’t prove anything because Obama mad certain of that. You are threading water to keep your own elusions up while Obama has the time of his life.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Ok, I’d respond, but this last diatribe is such a morass of incomprehensible drivel, filled with so many spelling errors, use of wrong words, and general word-salad it might as well have been written by Sarah Palin.

You’ve stated that “The birth certificate is not the issue. The issue is Obama’s qualification to be President”. I will ask, then, on what you base your assertion that Obama is not ‘qualified’ to be President? Oh, that’s right, the Birth Certificate.

See also: Recursion.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

Okay, on the “African-American” usage – which is the currently PC term used by Blacks/Negroes to describe themselves, the point strauss fails to appreciate is that back in 1961 – when Obamaphiles argue that Barry Soetoro had been born in Honolulu, and when his personal information had been entered into the state government’s archives – there was no option to enter “African-American” or “African” into a data field pertinent to ethnic status.

If a person was what “Liberals” in their galloping stupidity today euphemize as “African-American” (and I’m now “European-American,” I guess), the line was filled in with “Negro.”

Were the IMAGES (not the Certification of Live Birth, but the images of such a supposed COLB) accurately reflective of the contents of a legal document issued by the state of Hawaii on the basis of what they have on file to support their contention that Barry Soetoro was, indeed, born – which is all that’s really needed to get a COLB out of the government of the state of Hawaii; Barry’s maternal half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, has such a Hawaii COLB, and she was born in Djakarta, Indonesia – then what you would read of the ethnicity of Barry’s drunken, broken-down, woman-chasing, socialist bureaucrat disgrace of a biological father would be “Negro.”

“African” is evidence that some cement-headed dolt in the Obama campaign didn’t know what the hell he was doing when he created those fraudulent images to which you Obamaphile assholes keep pointing and expecting anybody to take your bullshit as “solid proof” that your Mombasa Messiah isn’t a criminal evading arrest.

Let’s see strauss address that before we get on to the catenary crap he’s trying to peddle.

Y’see, strauss, thus far there has been presented NO “official proof” that Barry Soetoro had been born in Hawaii. That’s the “birth certificate” problem for your Anointed One in a tidy nutshell.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Sigh. You’re really too stupid to argue with, aren’t you? Look at the COLB. His FATHER is listed as AFRICAN. His father WAS African. There is no ‘race’ listed for Barack.

And the meme of calling him Barry is about as effective as your previous meme during the campaign of always saying Hussein to imply he was a terrorist. See the link I posted previously, in which there is actually a picture of a PERSON HOLDING the PAPER COLB that was then SCANNED to be PRESENTED on the INTERNET. Got that, simpleton?

Didn’t think so. As I started with, you’re apparently too stupid to ‘get’ any of this.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

Sure, stevie. But in 1981 – long before you were born, little guy – there was no option to enter “African” in a vital statistics document such as a birth certificate where anyone’s race was to be stipulated. If your colleague, Barry Soetoro, had actually been born in Honolulu, the check-off box (or whatever) would’ve indicated “NEGRO,” not “African.”

The “Liberal” schmuck who in June 2008 sat down at his Macintosh and cobbled together the spurious computer graphic images that were supposed to pass as “evidence” of Barry Soetoro’s natural-born citizen status was simply too stupid –

(( a stupid Obamaphile! how could it be otherwise? ))

- to realize that his current blind “political correctness” is not reflective of the culture and language of 1961, and therefore the stupid putz entered “African” (a broken-down, philandering Kenyan socialist bureaucrat could hardly be described as “African-American,” after all) instead of “Negro.”

Yet another of those “Warning, Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!” hallmarks of your Mombaasa Messiah’s personal past history, stevie.

And (even admitting that Barack Hussein Obama might have been your colleague’s biological father), with Stanley Ann Dunham as his mother, Barry Soetoro is as much Caucasian as he is Negro.

Aren’t you being just a wee bit too grabby, stevie? Apart from being outright socialists themselves (your Messiah is a third-generation “red diaper baby”), the Dunham’s could’ve been members in good standing of the Ku Klux Klan.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Davey, Davey, Davey. Haven’t you heard the saying? “The past is a foreign land.” In 1961, there was no OPTION to enter “African” in the slot designated “Race” on a state government’s vital statistics system.

No more than there was the option to enter “North American” or “European.”

The “African-American” euphemism for someone primarily of negroid ethnicity wasn’t in use back in 1961. The word to be used was “Negro”.

The entry of “African” in those falsified images you and your fellow dumbass Obamaphiles cherish is yet another mark of its bogus character.

You don’t get that yet? Sheesh….


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Tsk. “In 1961, long before you were born…”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Davey, darlin’, on what do you base your cement-headed, socialist, shit-for-brains assertion that Barry Soetoro is QUALIFIED to be President of these United States?

The burden of proof is not on the “birthers” – indeed, it never was – but on Barry Soetoro, the criminal who currently usurps a public office for which he was never qualified, and of whom is being demanded proof of such qualification.

You ever underwent anything remotely resembling an education in logic, Davey? Ever participated in debate team in high school, or anything like that?

No? Well, I didn’t think so.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Is English your third language?

Really, please go chat with franknowzad. If your argument is that Obama is African because he allegedly once stated he is “African-American” then there is no hope of being able to educate you on the finer points of birtherism. Any distinction between a COLB and a birth certificate that would satisfy a birther will be lost in translation.

Just chew on this for now — “african-american” means a black person who traces his or her ancestral routes, however circuitously, back to Africa. It does not mean the person’s citizenship belongs to the “country” of Africa.

Sarah Palin, is that you?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

You could bribe a government employee with cigarettes. Pizza coupons. Wouldn’t take even tens of thousands of dollars to find someone who would be willing to slip you the electronic goods.

You live in an interesting place. Not the country you live in, whatever that happens to be (clearly not the U.S.A.); I am referring to the space between your ears.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Test-taker, you’re priceless.

What YOU don’t know about logic would fill a warehouse.

Birthers have the burden of proof. Look at every lawsuit they’ve filed.

I told you this several days ago and you ran away and hid. Yet here you are trying to resurface with this nonsense.

Cite us to anything at all, even the rantings of your deranged mind, that constitutes evidence for the assertion that the President bears the burden of proving the nonexistence of a conspiracy theory.

And then you’ll be right back where you started. A doofus. Because there’s NO such requirement.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Why bother correcting that factual error when you don’t correct any other errors in any of your posts? Like, for instance, deleting them entirely or at least scrubbing out all the bullshit that has nothing to do with anything but your failure to take your prescribed anti-depressants?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

He’s not too stupid to argue with. He’s too stupid to argue with if you expect him to argue back.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Lookit.

If you know what’s good for you, NEVER bring up Smurfette’s dubious parentage again.

Do so, and…well, do you remember what happened to the guy who brought up the evil gang boss lady’s (Lucy Liu) Chinese parentage at a Crazy Eights gang boss meeting in Kill Bill? Child’s play.

“ravage the land as never before…total destruction from mountain to shore!”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

“There is no such thing as America.”

NOW, we’re getting somewhere.

“Do not try to convince a birther of the truth. That’s impossible.” “Only try to realize the truth.” “What is the truth?” “There is no birther.”

I dunno, I could have that wrong. Been a while since I saw the Matrix.


damajah
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Great post Omaar – You forgot one…Senator Obama apparently obtained a passport, with an obviously flawed COLB/birth certificate, in a post-9/11 world. No wonder the terrorists were able to get into this country so easily!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

If you don’t see that Obama’s character traits are unsuitable for a president of a free nation then there is no help for you.

As to your complaint that my comments are “a morass of incomprehensible drivel” goes to proof you deficiency of your logic or your notion that you logic is superior.

Your comment ” so many spelling errors, use of wrong words, and general word-salad it might as well have been written by Sarah Palin” tells me you are an elitist spewing circular arguments to avoid the real issue.

By the way, who is Sarah Palin? I don’t know if this was meant as compliment or insult.

Well, how lucky for you to have English as your native tong. You must be British much the same as Obama’s family.


damajah
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

I like the one about getting the security clearance based on a fake COLB/birth certificate…our government must be riddled with spies and terrorists, if this is the level of vigilance we get after spending billions of dollars.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

On August 8, 1961, Mr. and Mrs. Prominent White Person placed an advertisement in a local newspaper in Hawaii announcing the birth of Baby Prominent White Person.

Their ad never ran.

Horrors! Find the highest-ranking Negro in the country and demand that he answer for this failure! He must be connected with it! Sure, it took Mr. and Mrs. Prominent White Person 47 years to notice. Sure, they still have not yet identified themselves to anyone but a man who invents everything but the words he uses, but their concerns are legitimate and must be addressed.

They paid 45 cents for an advertisement that never ran 47 years ago. At 10% interest on the judgment, plus court costs, they are now entitled to $8.19. Which is almost enough to buy a Big Kahuna Burger in Los Angeles.

Using a little-known legal loophole, they have decided to forego the $8.19, which would be owed to them by the newspaper for failing to honor its contract, and instead they seek the destruction of the U.S. Government and the imprisonment of its President.

Seems reasonable.


David Weigel
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

You're accusing Obama's grandparents of committing a crime, accusing Hawaii of covering it up for 47 years, and you're doing it without any evidence that would lead you to doubt Hawaii's records. Seriously — produce some evidence or hint of evidence that Obama's mother traveled outside of the United States between February and August 1961.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Ok, Elmer, then please, enlighten us as to why Barack Obama is not qualified to be president? What criteria would you argue he has not met that are constitutional requirements for being President?

Please, we really want to know on what basis you make this claim that he is not QUALIFIED.


damajah
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

Omaar: Don't you see where this thing is going next? Accusations of fraud and identity theft, two hot button issues in this country. Having failed to beat this dead horse back to life, the birthers will shift the focus to some other issue. “We need to see his original college application, to prove…blah, blah blah.” You fill in the blank. “We need to see his application for financial aid, because blah, blah, blah.” ” We need to see his transcripts because of blah, blah, blah.” ” We need to measure his penis, because of blah, blah, blah.” This is never going to end. These people are attention whores, plain and simple.


damajah
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

andyw123: And you're forgetting the part where any moron can make up laws that don't exist. Suppose you find the part in Hawaiian state law that was applicable in 1961, that states this.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

An excellent point made above: then-Senator Obama would have needed a security clearance. Having been through the process to get a high-level security clearance, I can assure you that he would have been required to provide more detailed and well-documented information than most of you out there in wingnuttia could even provide, let alone what you're asking Obama to provide.

So if he's been vetted for a security clearance, that's that.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Your opinion of his character is, oddly enough, NOT one of the constitutional requirements for being President of the US. I know, right?

And the word you keep searching for (and failing to find) is ‘prove’ not ‘proof.’

And if using actual real words, spelled correctly and everything, and strung together in a coherent manner makes me an ‘elitist’ then so be it. But I bet you’re the first one in line to vote for those “English Only!” laws, huh? Odd, since you barely speak it.

I have not avoided the issue. Now, if you’re so willing to address the issue, then please, one more try:

What qualifications does Obama not posses in order to qualify for President? And we’ve already addressed the oversight by the Founding Fathers that they didn’t include your opinion of his character as one of them, so let’s just stick to the *actual* qualification, shall we?

Thanks. Can’t wait for your answer!


damajah
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

stephenperry; It seems we have two choices here. To continue wasting our time, and playing whack a mole with the birthers, or drive a wedge between them, and their elected GOP benefactors, by requiring them, to publicly take a stand, on Obama's citizenship.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

Davey, I would be DELIGHTED to “Look at the COLB” – the supposedly real, print-on-paper, signed and sealed Certification of Live Birth from which the Obama campaign flunkies claim that their Frankensteinianly fraudulent computer graphic images had been scanned in June 2008.

Were that made possible, I would immediately take chain-of-evidence precautions such as are employed in the use of a rape kit in the Emergency Department and rush that piece of paper into the hands of some several qualified and competent forensic documents examiners, asking of them that they evaluate that physical evidence as to its validity and provenance.

But – sadly! – your Mombasa Messiah controls that item (if it ever existed), and the whole focus of this discussion is upon his puzzlingly adamant refusal to cough it up.

As for the J-school dorks at the Annenberg Foundation’s FactCheck Web site “HOLDING the PAPER COLB” (or, at least, a print-out of one of those computer graphic images faked to look like a legal Certification of Live Birth), did you know, Davey, that Barry Soetoro used to draw a paycheck from the Annenberg people?

(( See http://colony14.net/id41.html and use the “Edit” and “Find” function to search for the first instance of “Annenberg” on that Web page. ))

Isn’t it a funny kinda coincidence that one of the two Web sites his fellahin should use to sell these bogus JPG images is also a creature of the Annenberg Foundation?


evreport
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

In the meantime, when you get tired, you can post this:

Birthers…I want to thank you.

A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.

Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.

We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.

Thank you birthers, thank you.

Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

Beautiful…

Its Too Easy to Discern, but these  Extreme Nut-Jobs just don't Want a Bi-Racial Man as President.

This is  their  Only Hope, No matter How Delusional it is.

Just like the Bill Clinton is a Manchurian Candidate, for 8 Years, based on a Student Trip to Russia…

They Screamed that Forever.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

My, my, stevie. You really are getting freaked out, ain’tcha? A typo is now a “factual error”?

Hm. Little stevie, how does a poster on this forum go about “deleting…entirely” or even “scrubbing out” anything he had posted?

Have you figured out how to do that? I haven’t, else I’d use that ability to amend my typographical and grammatical errors.

If you’ve got a link to a “how-to” Web page put up for this site, I’d a appreciate your courtesy in posting it.

Thanks.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

I Agree

This for all the Desperate Birthers [Sound Logic]

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

I am glad I learned something from you. Thanks for telling me the difference of proof and prove. Maybe I shouldn’t have used the Whisky bottle as a dictionary. I take your hint to study the US Constitution.

Thanks, much appreciated!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

“I believe him and so should you because he as a layer….”

Now you’ve got to drag the President’s sex life into this, as well?


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

You are Right on All Counts…

Bill Clinton was the Russian Manchurian Candidate for 8 Years, because of a Student Trip to [Russia]

Is'nt Funny & Strange, how Democrats are Constantly being Titled [Communist-Socialist]

Never Fails.

They In-Directly call Franklin Delano Roosevelt a [Communist-Socialist]

Basically Un-American -Un-Patriotic…

Yet the Bush Family and Republican Presidents have a More Direct Tie to [Communist-Socialist China] ..

Reference: Prescott Bush, CIA:George H.W.Bush & Republican President(s) Nixon, Reagan, George H.W. Bush & George W. Bush Jr. Time Lines.

Who Finance Both our 2 6 Year Mid-East Wars, to the Tune of 20 Billion Dollar Per Month with Interest, God Knows how Much Interest and Counting !!

Communist-Socialist China: The Largest Communist-Socialist nation on Planet Earth, when Clinton came to Power, The Damage had Already been Done.

China also Owns [US Government Bonds]

Yet the Republican Party is [Anti-Communist-Socialist]

Borderline Bull-Spit !!
——————-


west129
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

This is a very poor argument because it is not a fact. Senator Obama never had the security clearance you are talking about. Why do you post misinformation? In addition, there is no problem in the US of having two passports. Have you ever heard of dual citizenship?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Sure, Davey. Glad to oblige.

Barry Soetoro has yet to show irrefutable proof that he had been born in these United States.

That disqualifies him for having stood as a candidate for the office he presently usurps, inasmuch as “natural born” status is one of the constitutional requirements for being President.

It’s not necessary to claim a negative – that he is not qualified – but rather that Barry Soetoro must prove that he IS qualified, inasmuch as that is what has been called into question.

Happy with that, Davey?


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

Sorry to try to take over your job. You're right, posting mis-information is clearly your job. And since you have posted so many facts … oh, wait, you haven't posted a single one so far. My bad.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

There’s no need, little stevie, to cite anything other than an unanswered question, a burden of proof on the part of Barry and the Obamaphiles (yeah, it kinda does sound like the name of a Motown group, doesn’t it?) unshouldered.

Is Barry Soetoro lawfully qualified under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, to be grunting upon the Presidential toilet just off the Oval Office?

If only your Mombasa Messiah were to whip out the COLB from which it is alleged those laughable screwed-together false JPG images had been supposedly scanned in June 2008, much of this brouhaha would settle in a res judicata moment, but…

Well, stevie, your colleague just won’t do that, will he?

And he’s left you and the rest of his fellahin out here in the cold, trying like crazy to cover for the thieving, lying, miserable sonofabitch.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

1. 911- Happened on George W. Bush's Watch.

2. The World Trade Bombings happened on Bill Clinton's Watch.

3. The Beirut Bombings happened On Ronald Wilson Reagan's Watch, Killing Over 230 Marines.

Note: Reagan Quickly Pulled Our Troops Out of Beirut after sending them there on a Un-Specified Mission

Reagan left US Marines as [Sitting Ducks] and Quickly Pulled them out.

Was that a [Grand Move]


Anonymous
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

No I didn’t know that and if I had known I wouldn’t accept that concealed definition that apparently is being propagated by government and special interest groups.

Re-naming something to what it is not doesn’t change what it is. To re-name a table and call it a stool doesn’t make it a stool. Only if you are willing to convert it into a stool by cutting its legs short could it become something one might call a stool.

Sorry, the description of the three races is spelled differently in English. One would have to look for Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid race in the English dictionary.


west129
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

There was no need to make that statement. Community Organizers are tops in the game of “divide and conquer” and lack of rational thinking, as so exemplary displayed by our US president. While nobody really cares about the pro- and con-birther-issue you invented, you refuse to admit that this is not the actual issue of the debate.

Transparency is the issue. But not to you, because if Obama whines “the sky is falling” you are willing to pass legislation no one has read but everybody knows that all present and future citizens got raped. It might take us some time until we realize the meaning of the story “The [Obama] boy who cried wolf”.


west129
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Well that is the same issue as the birth cert. Obama has those clearances now as president but if you go back to his years as senator he didn't and he certainly wouldn't have qualified. So what facts are the base of your assumptions? You should have stated that it is your believe.


majordomo
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Just think. In about 10 to 15 years, white folk will be the minority class in the US and Latino 's will claim the majority. Of course, English will be the secondary fall back language since Spanish will be spoken by the voting majority. This is the root of the birther movement, not Obama's COLB.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:03 am

“Un-Patriotic Birth Obsessed and Birth On The Brain….

Doh Doh Birds

Present Your Original Birth Certificate and Social Security Numbers Issued to [You]

I said the Original Full Paper Birth Certificate…

Do It Now and Post it as You Demand of President Obama

You Low Life Egg Sucking Dogs !!”

OMAAR: I’m going to type this really slow so you can understand. Where in any of my posts did I question the validity of or ask for Obama’s birth certificate? Are you insane?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Present Your Original Birth Certificate…BItch and that Crazed  Nut, with a Piece of Paper in a Zip Locked Bag


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:11 am

You have the option to edit your posts, for about 30 minutes after making them, the same as anyone else does.

Which makes it all the more puzzling that you never seem to post something, read it to yourself and say “MY GOD what the fuck was I thinking? Better take that down.”

Because you’ve posted about 3 times without being absurd, and once without being offensive (Your snark about the upcoming DSM-V wasn’t offensive, merely annoying and superfluous).


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:11 am

LOL you are seriously mentally ill. Are you in a locked room? I hope I can do my part to drive you over the edge. You make my day! LOL


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

Lay Off The Hate and Lay Off The Crystal Meth, Very Leathal Combos..Son..

West129 : You have to have Security Clearance in [All] State & Federal Jobs.

Are You saying, that Illinois State Senator and later on US Senator Obama, had no Clearances…

As well as FBI-CIA Clearance for the Presidency

West129: Talk about Mis-Information Postings…Jeesh


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:16 am

There’s a Cell with Your Number on it…

A Straight Jacket and Chain Attached…

And a Man in a White Suit, With Drug Dispenser and Two Thugs in White to Restrain You, if you get out of  line….

OoOps !!

Here They come Now …

I Warned You…Their Coming to Sedate You [Now] !!!!


Sail1993
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

The President of the United States is NOT required to have a security clearance by the CIA or FBI and to state otherwise is just ridiculous. Are you saying that a person elected to be president could not be briefed on matters of national security if he did not pass a security check? Can you imagine the military leaders refusing to brief the president because he did not have the proper level of security clearance? Elected officials are completely different than non-elected government employees and as such are not required to have security clearances. Do your homework.


damajah
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

Community organizers give a voice to the voiceless, hope to the hopeless, and courage to the downtrodden and oppressed. Only Republicans and their acolytes could find fault ith a person who would do this.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:26 am

Oh well….you’ve begun to bore me. I think I’d rather read a good book. You should have your own reality show. “OMAAR: LIFESTYLES OF THE MENTALLY ILL”


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

B!tch You're Just [Dumb]

Original Paper Birth Certificates…

[You Won't Get It, Period]

Unlike that Crazed Lady Presenting a So-Called Birth Certificate in a Zip Lock Bag, which she Claimed is Authentic.

She should be put to the Task of [Proof]

I
Requested My SC Birth Certificate, because I Needed it, to Acquire My
[Passport] and the SC Department sent me a Miniature State Sealed [Copy]

I Did Not get a Full Sized [Original Paper Birth Certificate]

I Received a [Miniature Certified State Sealed Birth Certificate]

I sent that Copy to the US Passport Office and Received My [US Passport] 45 Days Later.

You will Never get the Original Paper Birth Certificate, Because of Security Reasons, Internet, Photo-Shopping and Fraud.

The
Fraudulent Misuse of Citizen's Information through Scrupulous People
& Groups, getting Access to People's Social Security Numbers are
Wide Spread.

Imagine the State Showing or Giving Access to Your State & Federal ID to All that wanted Access.

Some of You People are [Hateful & Bitter]

He's Our Nation's [44Th President]

Live with and Move On with Life.

He's President Of The USA…

Finished
————–


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!
———————


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

Why not You, Lou Dobbs, False News [Fox News], Sean Hannity, Rush
Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage & Bill
O'Reily, go to [Kenya] and Prove He's from Kenya, along with a Sworn
Statement from his…

[Kenyan Step-Mother]

The Kenyan “Step Mother” That is the [Most Ridiculous-Salacious]

Why would the [Kenyan Step Mother] be a Witness at the Birth ?

I'd Love to see this Kenyan Step-Mother, it would be Amusing as well as her Sworn Statement & Attorney.

Notice
Rupert Murdoch Owner of Fox News, has the Money to send out his Forces
to Kenya, yet Does Not, when he Should, it would be Great Ratings for
Fox News, Limbaugh, Beck & Hannity…

It would a Kenyan Birth Certificate [Bonanza] !!

Get To It…Murdoch & Fox News,

Your Ratings Would be Off the Charts !!!

It would be the Find of the Century !!!

Fly Now with the Rich Republican Hate Monger Machine and get the Kenyan Citizenship Proof You Need.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:32 am

“Read a Book”

You can Barely Understand a Post…

You go Read the the Sunday Funnies..

The only choice for Attention Deficit Dis-Order 

———————

The problem with this. Parents and Relatives don’t and didn’t, get to Place Birth Announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. As a Star-Bulletin employee explained to WorldNetDaily, the editors “print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System,” and did so in 1961. And the Advertiser worked the same way.

—————————

This for all the Desperate Birthers [Sound Logic]

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:33 am

They’ve  Finally Sedated You and the Drugs are Kicking in….

Great, Good Night


west129
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Who are those “white folk” and “Latino” you are referring to? Since I am pigmented, I wonder what I am. Could you please classify me so that I am allowed to participate in this profitable race war? I forgot to mention, I have blue eyes if that’s of any help.


Sail1993
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Poor Omaar….Are you off your meds? Your posts really do border on the insane. You should better care of your mental health.

I'm sure when you get back on track and your meds kick in you will be better able to relate to people in a more logical and sane manner and be able to communicate your message clearly and without name calling and insults. They'll also help you to stay on topic. For instance I posted nothing about the president's place of birth. My post was entirely about security clearances.

You take care now. I'm really worried about you, :-)


David Simmons
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:19 am

Barack Obama has shown proof that he was born in Hawaii. I understand that you don’t believe that, and will use any manner of personal attack, racial slur, school-yard name-calling, etc. to try to distract rational thinking adults from these facts, but they are, so far, the facts. YOu get your own opinion, but you don’t get your own facts.

Now, the Birth Certificate has been provided. Feel free to PROVE it is faked, forged, etc. but President Obama has met his burden of proof. You, of course, have not met yours.

So, PROVE that the documentation PROVING that he was born in Hawaii in August 1961 is forged. No ne has to PROVE that it was NOT forged.

I say that I don’t know that you DON’T suck dicks in the truckstop for $0.50 each 4 nights a week. I have seen NO evidence from you to prove otherwise. Therefore it must be true.


west129
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

Must be hell to get those clearances you are talking about for “ALL” State & Federal Jobs. 46 Million of our population has those. Too late now, but Obama's clearances were “inherited” through Affirmative Action in conjunction with the “First Negro Presidency”. But that was Hillary's screw up with her over-confidence.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:32 am

Jeez, you do? No “Edit” function shows up on my computer screen when I’m posting. I’ll look for it, stevie, thanks.

And if you find me “offensive,” stevie, thanks for that, too.

I try. God knows, I try.


Sail1993
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Omaar, I have just read all your posts. Do you have any more original comments? You appear to be reposting the same three or four comments over and over and over ad nausea. Try NOT clicking on the cut and paste icons. That should solve the problem, giving you more free time to come up with something that makes a modicum of sense.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Even World Net Daily has reported that the COLB presented by President Obama is authentic.

Read that again.

Here's the link:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Here's what you need to read when you get there:

“However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual certification of live birth and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.

A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

Wow. Got that? Authentic. Got that? People claiming otherwise added stuff that wasn't there before.

As if that wasn't enough, here's a point about the claim that Obama supposedly lost his citizenship as a boy in Indonesia:

“In short, the suit claims Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child (Editor's note: This point is not supported by U.S. citizenship law); may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries.”

So how about it, birthers? You ready to call it quits now that even World Net Daily has given up?

Oh, wait, that World Net Daily article was published August 23, 2008, ELEVEN MONTHS ago. That can only mean that 24 ahead dot com and every other loser who cited WND in reliance on this stupid conspiracy was never serious to begin with!

Oh well, I can't say I didn't already know THAT!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

In what fantasy universe did Obama urge anyone to pass legislation without reading it?

The Congress makes its own legislation. Obama does not draft it. He signs what they draft. And Congress moves slower than old people fuck. They had plenty of time to read, quibble over, and change any provision of any legislation you could possibly be discussing.

If you're arguing that grown men and women, almost all of whom are lawyers, sign their names in support of legislation they did not bother to read, you can only be talking about something that happened during the Bush Administration, when the White House kept telling us about mushroom clouds and aluminum tubes that could be used to make centrifuges. Maybe you're referring to the Patriot Act, and not something in the bailout package (that started with Bush anyway, genius)?

And of course you couldn't just make a facetious argument without giving the entire game away. What's with the gratuitious assault on Community Organizers?

What you're getting “raped” by is your obvious lack of critical thinking skills. Don't believe for a second that anything President Obama asks for that becomes legislation (drafted by Congress) has not been read by Congress. If in fact that ever happens, it is Congress's fault for sending up and approving legislation without reading it, not Obama's fault for asking them to do their jobs by putting something on his desk that HE can read and sign.

Mocking you people would be more fun if it was harder to do.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

You're right, west129. Senator Obama didn't need a security clearance. He just showed his al-Jazeera press credentials and the Bush Administration let him right into the room when they met with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

They had to; Obama is the only one of the whole committee who has an “in” with the pizza delivery chick.

Finally, someone who understands how Washington really works. David Simmons, I hope you were paying attention. You could learn something from this mental giant, west129.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Jeez, stevie, but you shouldn't have included that link to the WND article you so selectively quoted. Reading the rest of the cited source reveals that what had been determined to be “authentic” were the claims of Polarik et al that the images produced by the Macintosh at the Obama campaign were bogus.

Was that one of your “fancy lawyer tricks,” stevie? Giving just enough of the truth in just the right way to cause your audience to leap to diametrically opposite and therefore wrong conclusions?

Hey, there are so many ways to tell lies, aren't there, stevie? And you lawyers know 'em all, don'tcha?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:51 am

Nah. Faked computer graphic images aren’t evidence, Davey. Not even in your fevered dreams.

And you know that, too, don’tcha?

A real, print-on-paper, signed and sealed COLB just might be evidence that Barry had been born in Honolulu.

But your Messiah ain’t gonna cough up that evidence, is he?

So a court order has got to pry it loose.

And when it does…

Ooh, Davey. You gonna blow a blood vessel or something?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

test-taker, it's not a selective quote. I provided the link first. You're still a doofus.

What's rich is you COMPLETELY pulled what you said about the “rest of the cited source” out of your ass. Not surprising.

All anyone needs to do is read the story at the link. When they come back, they'll see that you lied.

But here's a fancy lawyer trick. I bet no one needs to click that link to know that you are a liar and I'm telling the truth, if profanely at times. It's called credibility. Neither you nor World Net Daily nor the idiots who cite to it have ANY.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

And “community organizers” are also called “poverty pimps.”

Pull up http://colony14.net/id41.html and use your Web browser's “Edit” and “Find” function to locate the first instance of the expression “poverty pimps” to read about what Barry Soetoro was doing in his work as a “community organizer.”

Rhetorical question: “How stupid d'you have to be to qualify as a butt-sucking Obamaphile?”

Gotta wonder how they can remember to keep breathing….


David Simmons
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:06 am

As I said, you have not PROVEN that the COLB is faked, forged, etc. And THAT burden is, most assuredly, on you.

Again, oddly enough, current US Law has so far failed to name YOU as the arbiter ‘decider’ of what’s acceptable evidence. Sorry, we’ll get someone on that just as soon as we’re done with the wars, economy, healthcare, and all the other piles of shit your boy Georgie “the decider” left us with.

Until then, I hope you get rich on those cut-rate blowjobs you give. Since you didn’t deny it, it MUST be true.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:17 am

Davey, the IMAGES you slobber over are not a real, live Certification of Live Birth, much less a birth certificate.

You want to write this down on tin foil, fold it up until it’s all corners, and shove it briskly up your ass?

Seems that’s the only route of delivery that’s gonna get through to you.

Obamaphiles. “Hire the handicapped.”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

For those who don't speak Tuciese, I have distilled his argument about Mrs. Nordyke, the wife of Mr. Nordyke, a prominent doctor who, Tuci78 alleges, didn't get her baby's birth announcement posted on the very same day that Barack Obama's birth announcement was posted.

Naturally, Tuci the test-taker sees a sinister connection between the two completely unrelated events. Naturally, he has no proof aside from naked racist suspicion and weird anti-government paranoia, coupled with the very real sense that rich white people just CANNOT catch a break in this country.

Here's how the argument quite literally breaks down:

On August 8, 1961, Mr. and Mrs. Prominent White Person placed an advertisement in a local newspaper in Hawaii announcing the birth of Baby Prominent White Person.

Their ad never ran.

Horrors! Find the highest-ranking Negro in the country and demand that he answer for this failure! He must be connected with it! Sure, it took Mr. and Mrs. Prominent White Person 47 years to notice. Sure, they still have not yet identified themselves to anyone but a man who invents everything but the words he uses, but their concerns are legitimate and must be addressed.

They paid 45 cents for an advertisement that never ran 47 years ago. At 10% interest on the judgment, plus court costs, they are now entitled to $8.19. Which is almost enough to buy a Big Kahuna Burger in Los Angeles.

Using a little-known legal loophole, they have decided to forego the $8.19, which would be owed to them by the newspaper for failing to honor its contract, and instead they seek the destruction of the U.S. Government and the imprisonment of its President.

Seems reasonable.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:27 am

Hey, stevie. No comment on why those fatuously fraudulent computer graphic images – not Barry’s real COLB but the faked images of what you’d like his COLB to look like – shows his biological father’s race as “African” when the blank was filled in back in 1961, and the term then in use was “Negro”?

No? Gee, what a surprise….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:29 am

Sail1993, I disagree with you about whether the President is required to have a security clearance.

But leaving that aside, a Senator on the Foreign Relations Committee, as Obama was, is so required. They hear all the state secrets that the President is lucky enough to hear from the CIA and dumb enough to share with them. But still they hear better secrets than anyone else. So they most certainly do need higher security clearances.

I’m certain I do not agree with your conception of how government works but I didn’t need to insult you to make my point.

Best,

Stephen


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

stephenperry, if you're on twitter, find me please. @davidgs there. The rest of you knuckleheads and asshats, not so much.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

The Only Thing [Affirmative] is that he Affirmatively Won The White House By Popular Vote & Electoral College….

Affirmative Enough For the USA…

Why not You, Lou Dobbs, False News [Fox News], Sean Hannity, Rush
Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage & Bill
O'Reily, go to [Kenya] and Prove He's from Kenya, along with a Sworn
Statement from his…

[Kenyan Step-Mother]

The Kenyan “Step Mother” That is the [Most Ridiculous-Salacious]

Why would the [Kenyan Step Mother] be a Witness at the Birth ?

I'd Love to see this Kenyan Step-Mother, it would be Amusing as well as her Sworn Statement & Attorney.

Notice
Rupert Murdoch Owner of Fox News, has the Money to send out his Forces
to Kenya, yet Does Not, when he Should, it would be Great Ratings for
Fox News, Limbaugh, Beck & Hannity…

It would a Kenyan Birth Certificate [Bonanza] !!

Get To It…Murdoch & Fox News,

Your Ratings Would be Off the Charts !!!

It would be the Find of the Century !!!

Fly Now with the Rich Republican Hate Monger Machine and get the Kenyan Citizenship Proof You Need.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Salli: Being a Race Hate Mongering & Crystal Meth Addict is a Very Lethal Combination…

Reality: President Obama Won the  Popular  & Electoral [Vote]

Denial: You have  All the race hate Simptons of a Person in need of Mental Help..

I can Refer You to someone, if you'd like….

A Kindred Spirit, in whom you can Identify….

She just Recently Lost it and Resigned in Alaska as Governor…

Sarah Palin

The Heffa was So Messed Up, she  Quit her job, because she, just like You can't believe, a  Bi-Racial Man is Now President of the USA.

Move to Alaska and Console Each Other.

Bye Now Salli…

Salli & Sarah…Perfecta !!


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

Fairytales Can Come True…

Republicans also said Bill Clinton was the Russian Manchurian Candidate for 8 Years, because of a Student Trip to [Russia]

Is'nt it Funny & yet Very Strange, how Democrats are Constantly being Titled [Communist-Socialist]

Never Fails.

Republicans In-Directly call Franklin Delano Roosevelt a [Communist-Socialist]

Basically Un-American -Un-Patriotic…

Yet the Bush Family and Republican Presidents have a More Direct Tie to [Communism-Socialism ] ..

Reference: Prescott Bush, CIA:George H.W.Bush & Republican President(s) Nixon, Reagan, George H.W. Bush & George W. Bush Jr. Time Lines.

China Finances [Both] Our [2] 6Year Mid-East Wars, to the Tune of 20 Billion Dollar Per Month with Interest, God Knows how Much Interest and Counting !!

Communist-Socialist China: The Largest Communist-Socialist Nation on Planet Earth, when Clinton came to Power, The Damage had Already been Done.

China also Owns [US Government Bonds]

Yet the Republican Party is [Anti-Communist-Socialist]

Borderline Bull-Spit !!

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Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

Here You Go, Read It Over & Over Again, until You're Cured of Your Sickness..
———————-

This for all the Desperate Birthers [Sound Logic]

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Original Paper Birth Certificates…

[You Won't Get It, Period]

Unlike that Crazed Lady Presenting a So-Called Birth Certificate in a Zip Lock Bag, which she Claimed is Authentic.

She should be put to the Task of [Proof]

I Requested My SC Birth Certificate, because I Needed it, to Acquire My [Passport] and the SC Department sent me a Miniature State Sealed [Copy]

I Did Not get a Full Sized [Original Paper Birth Certificate]

I Received a [Miniature Certified State Sealed Birth Certificate]

I sent that Copy to the US Passport Office and Received My [US Passport] 45 Days Later.

You will Never get the Original Paper Birth Certificate, Because of Security Reasons, Internet, Photo-Shopping and Fraud.

The Fraudulent Misuse of Citizen's Information through Scrupulous People & Groups, getting Access to People's Social Security Numbers are Wide Spread.

Imagine the State Showing or Giving Access to Your State & Federal ID to All that wanted Access.

Some of You People are [Hateful & Bitter]

He's Our Nation's [44Th President]

Live with and Move On with Life.

He's President Of The USA…

Finished
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stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

Sorry David. No twitter. But you can email me at sonoma dot sdp at gmail dot com.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

Fairytales Can Come True…

Republicans also said Bill Clinton was the Russian Manchurian Candidate for 8 Years, because of a Student Trip to [Russia]

Is'nt it Funny & yet Very Strange, how Democrats are Constantly being Titled [Communist-Socialist]

Never Fails.

Republicans In-Directly call Franklin Delano Roosevelt a [Communist-Socialist]

Basically Un-American -Un-Patriotic…

Yet the Bush Family and Republican Presidents have a More Direct Tie to [Communism-Socialism ] ..

Reference: Prescott Bush, CIA:George H.W.Bush & Republican President(s) Nixon, Reagan, George H.W. Bush & George W. Bush Jr. Time Lines.

China Finances [Both] Our [2] 6Year Mid-East Wars, to the Tune of 20 Billion Dollar Per Month with Interest, God Knows how Much Interest and Counting !!

Communist-Socialist China: The Largest Communist-Socialist Nation on Planet Earth, when Clinton came to Power, The Damage had Already been Done.

China also Owns [US Government Bonds]

Yet the Republican Party is [Anti-Communist-Socialist]

Borderline Bull-Spit !!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Psst! west129, don't look now, but your racism is showing!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

You're right, west129. Senator Obama didn't need a security clearance. He just showed his al-Jazeera press credentials and the Bush Administration let him right into the room when they met with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

They had to; Obama is the only one of the whole committee who has an “in” with the pizza delivery chick.

Finally, someone who understands how Washington really works. David Simmons, I hope you were paying attention. You could learn something from the mental giant otherwise known as west129.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Weigel is, of course, being misleading. All WND got was a quote from an unnamed person who answered the phone. A real investigation would involve questioning those who were at both the newspapers, the hospitals, and the state office at that time, looking at historical records with their procedures (e.g., office memos, etc.) and so on.

That he'd mislead about this isn't surprising; Dave Weigel lied on the Rachel Maddow show a few days ago.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

Nah. Dr. Nordyke – one of the early pioneers in radiation medicine, and therefore a fairly prominent member of the community in what was then the rather small city of Honolulu – brought his wife to the hospital to be delivered of viable twin girls on the same day that it is alleged Barry Soetoro had been born, and in the same hospital where our Mombasa Messiah's fellahin claim that their Anointed One had first sucked teat.

Our Obamaphiles (“Hire the Handicapped!”) insist that the microfiche records dredged up as all that's left of the print-on-paper editions of the Sunday Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin “Vital Statistics” reportage pertinent to that time in Hawaii history provide “proof” that Barry Soetoro – who never legally changed his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama II” when he came back to live with his maternal grandparents after being legally adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia – had been born in Honolulu instead of in the Coast Provincial General Hospital in lovely downtown Mombasa, Kenya.

Those microfiche pages are called into question on a number of bases beyond the elision of notification of Mrs. Nordyke's delivery. See http://colony14.net/id41.html and use your “Edit” and “Find” functions to seek out the first instantiation of the words “Sunday Advertiser” and read on about the characteristics of linotype printing and the discrepancies between what actually appears in the pages of a newspaper printed in 1961 and what is found in the microfiche “record” of Barry's birth notification.

Also bear in mind that stevie is – like his colleague, Barry Soetoro – a lawyer, and therefore lies for a living.


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

So you admit that WND does shoddy work.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

What took you so long, 24 ahead? What do you make of the post below? I'm sure you'll have an interesting fabrication, I just don't know what it is yet….

Even World Net Daily has reported that the COLB presented by President Obama is authentic.

Read that again.

Here's the link:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI

Here's what you need to read when you get there:

“However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual certification of live birth and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.

A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

Wow. Got that? Authentic. Got that? People claiming otherwise added stuff that wasn't there before.

As if that wasn't enough, here's a point about the claim that Obama supposedly lost his citizenship as a boy in Indonesia:

“In short, the suit claims Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child (Editor's note: This point is not supported by U.S. citizenship law); may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries.”

So how about it, birthers? You ready to call it quits now that even World Net Daily has given up?

Oh, wait, that World Net Daily article was published August 23, 2008, ELEVEN MONTHS ago. That can only mean that 24 ahead dot com and every other loser who cited WND in reliance on this stupid conspiracy was never serious to begin with!

Oh well, I can't say I didn't already know THAT!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

I already said he's a prominent white guy, test-taker.

You're an even bigger doofus than I first took you for.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:46 pm

The problem with this. Parents and Relatives don’t and didn’t, get to Place Birth Announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. As a Star-Bulletin employee explained to WorldNetDaily, the editors “print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System,” and did so in 1961. And the Advertiser worked the same way.

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Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Oh, Dr. Nordyke was more than just a “prominent white guy,” stevie. Let me explain, 'cause you're a lawyer. Y'see, the field of nuclear medicine in 1961 was a fairly new area of medical specialization. Radionucleotide imaging was – back then – kind of like what positron emission tomographic (PET) imaging is today, a “cutting edge” area in which to work, and nuclear medicine guys were few and far between in towns like Honolulu.

So it's not like the hospital in which Mrs. Nordyke was delivered would fail to want the announcement of twin girls getting born to a medical staff mahoff like Dr. Nordyke left out of the next issue of either the Sunday Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. Hospital administrators back then (like today) really prefer to keep their productive medical staff members coddled.

So you getting your blood pressure checked regularly, stevie? Might want to look into Thomas Sowell's writings on the fact that so very many black men in America never live to collect the Social Security benefits for which they're mulcted all their working lives because they die of heart disease and the complications associated therewith.

And your antipsychotic drug regimen increases your risk for such complications, stevie. No joke.


Sail1993
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Omaar, Take your time, try to form a cohesive thought and enlighten me. Where in my posts did you see anything about Obama's birth certificate, racism, hate mongering, or challenges to the validity of the president's status.

You really are some kind of strange scary person. And you obviously have an unusual obsession with crystal meth.

Since I believe that God loves all people, especially the mentally ill, I'll pray for you. And I won't post any more here since anyone who could possibly be conceived as disagreeing with you obviously brings out the worst in you. Not to mention that to attempt to have a civil conversation with someone of your diminished intellect is like trying to talk to a stump. Ciao!


euphgeek
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

All this really boils down to is that Tuci78 is quite fond of utilizing the logical fallacy known as “moving the goalposts.” No amount of evidence is ever going to convince him that Obama was born in Honolulu, HI like his birth certificate, the governor of Hawaii and the Hawaiian Department of Health say.


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Centipede
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

This birther movement is pure comedy gold. Keep it coming guys!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:42 pm

Mr. Very Prominent White Guy still has a small-claims court action against the newspaper. Well, he would have, if the statute of limitations hadn't run out on his claim 37 or 39 years ago, depending on whether he phoned the advertisement in, creating an oral agreement, or placed the advertisement in person and received a written confirmation.

But now all he's got is the insane rantings of a man who dragged him into the comments section of an article about the President. I'm sure he's grateful for the attention that you'd be bringing him if anyone ever paid attention to you, test-taker.

Want to add something about how a well-known lady once didn't get a taxi to stop for her in Manhattan, and then 40 years later a black guy bought a cab company?


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

Salli Nothing or No one on Planet Earth can be as [Strange] as You Low Life …

Un-Patriotic Birth Obsessed  and Birth On The Brain….

Doh Doh Birds

Present Your Original Birth Certificate and  Social Security Numbers Issued to [You] 

I said the Original Full Paper  Birth Certificate…

Do It Now and Post it as You Demand of President Obama

You Low Life Egg Sucking Dogs !!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

test-taker doesn't move the goalposts. He doesn't acknowledge that there's any goal.

He lives in a fabrication. Mental masturbation with words. Hence all the alliterative jibber-jabber about Kenya (Mombasa Messiah and other such witticisms), all the slanders and slurs against people whose assistants are above his pay grade, and all the noxious venom about government. He's clearly a broken-down husk who blames his problems on other people, without bothering at all as to whether there's any truth.

Why else would you subscribe at ALL to his theory of libertarianism, which is that 300 million people need a government that is small enough for Grover Norquist to drown it in a bathtub? At least Norquist doesn't actually believe any of the shit he says; he just wants lower taxes for rich people. Test-taker wants everyone to have to share his afflictions and his paranoia.

He'd be a lot less bothersome to me if he hadn't spent so much time making violent threats against the sitting President. I didn't even put up with that stuff when applied to George Bush. I'm an American. Tuci78 is a piece of shit.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

Yeah, you guys have convinced me. All this logical argument and all the solid facts and I'm sold. This Barry Soetoro, whoever the hell he is, has no business being president. I sure am glad Barack Obama beat him so soundly.

I'm outta here. I'm getting a contact-crazy from the buzz of insanity here. But again, please, PLEASE, for the love of all that's holy, KEEP THIS UP! DON'T LET IT DROP. HOUND YOUR CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN IN TOWN HALLS (don't forget your birth certificate in the magic ziploc bag!)!! WRITE LETTERS TO THE EDITOR (ALL CAPS WORKS GREAT!) AND PRESENT ALL THESE FACTS. IT WORKS.


Centipede
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:04 am

LOL!!!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:18 am

This could all be laid to rest so easily.

It makes sense people!!!!!

Get on the horn and call your GOP Congressmen and Governors and Senators. Don't waste time on Dumocrats. They're too wussy to take concealed assault rifles onto playgrounds, even though it's their God-given right to do so. Stick with GOP'ers.

Call a news station and stage a protest. Make sure there are cameras everywhere. Sing “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” at the beginning and “Nearer, My Lord, To Thee” as things conclude.

Bring your birth certificate. Make sure it's a copy, you don't want to fuck up the original and besides no state will give you the original anyway. Put it in a zip-lock bag, so you don't spill pudding on it. Again.

Light candles and hold up signs that talk about the birth certificates that would have gone to the unborn had they been born and had they been able to prove they weren't filthy useless Mexican immigrants squeezed out an inch over the border to get free #2 pencils in American schools. Well, find a way to fit all that on a sign, I don't want to have to do every little thing for you. I'm an “ideas” person. I don't do policy, like Michael Steele.

The point is, DO NOT LET OBAMA GET AWAY WITH USURPING KING GEORGE'S THRONE. Make sure to hold King George's minions accountable. They're the only ones who care enough about this blessed land to stop doing the nation's pressing business (that they were elected to do) and spend any time whatsoever listening to you persistent patriots.

Don't let Barry Soetero see this message. He wants you to re-distribute your email.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:35 am

Oh, I don’t “speak many languages” at all, stevie. I can puzzle out some German, a little bit of a couple Romance languages, and I can make myself understood to Hispanic patients pretty well. I can even write prescriptions in Spanish, block-printing the Sig so that the pharmacist can enter the instructions clearly on the label. It’s not elegant, but it seems to work.

Why are you preoccupied with “languages” now, stevie?

And I picked up the link to The Obama Timeline (at http://colony14.net/id41.html ) on another Web site, not in an email.

Hm. Might could be one of those WND sites to which you’d steered me, stevie. Thanks again.

And keep getting your blood pressure checked, stevie. Want me to scare up that article by Thomas Sowell reporting on how black American males don’t on average live long enough to collect their Social Security benefits because of hypertension-related cardiovascular and cerebrovascular diseases?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:57 am

I do try to respond to comments addressed to me, stevie. The little email program goes “ping” and I move from the browser window with the CME activity and pull up this Web site, and do what I can. Mostly for the sake of amusement, admittedly.

Jeeze, stevie, but if people had to read your racist nonsense in support of Barry Soetoro, they might actually think you had something resembling a supported argument for your sweating effort to summarily dismiss (“Make it go away! PLEASE, make it go away!”) the reasonable questions raised as to the lawful qualification of your colleague to have run for or to hold the office of President of these United States.

And how is it that we know there’s more than one Obamaphile posting on these threads, stevie? On the Internet, nobody can tell you’re not just one socialist putz shucking and jiving for all he’s worth.


Centipede
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:01 am

The death knell for the birther movment. Ann Coulter thinks you're nuts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQr2a4vqqg


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:16 am

Aw, geek. “moving the goalposts” isn't at all involved in my attack upon the so-called “evidence” upon which you asswipe Obamaphile schmucks keep knee-jerkingly pointing to (“See! See! It's on FactCheck, so it MUST be reliable!”) as proof that your Anointed One was ever qualified to run for or to hold the office of President of these United States.

I'm not demanding MORE evidence. I'm demanding evidence, PERIOD. Those wonderfully Photoshop-fabricated computer graphic images aren't “evidence,” dimwit. They're not even the ghost of a hint of a shadow of “evidence.”

Now, a print-on-paper, signed and sealed, official legal document issued by the state of Hawaii – of which nobody but Barry's fellow Annenberg Foundation employees at FactCheck has ever seen hide nor hair…

Well, that would be evidence, wouldn't it geek?

So where is it?

The burden of proof is on the people advancing the positive proposition, to wit:

Barry Soetoro is actually qualified to be jerking off all over the U.S. Constitution in the privacy of the Oval Office instead of bending over for his cellmate in Leavenworth, Kansas, his “Hope” centered upon the possibility of having some Vaseline involved.

Okay, geekster. Go ahead and prove it.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:19 am

So prove that the images are “bogus” as you say. And for someone to be credible while remaining anonymous, the must prove their credibility. “Dr. Polarik” has not.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Aw, stevie, stevie, stevie. What, you don't like Grover Norquist either?

I'm happy that you're “an American,” stevie. But “On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog,” y'know.

Getting your blood pressure checked, little guy? All those strokes and heart attacks being so common among males of your stated ethnicity, and your enraged frothing so evident from your postings here, and I'm worried about you, stevie.

Wouldn't like to see something happen to you, eh?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:26 am

Oh, I can't take credit for first having observed the rather puzzling absence of notification regarding Mrs. Nordyke's delivery of twin girls in those microfiche archives of the same editions of the Sunday Advertiser and the Honolulu Advertiser in which notice of the conclusion Stanley Ann Dunham's pregnancy had somehow appeared. I've merely retailed the findings of others who had remarked upon the phenomenon.

You credit me with too much entirely, stevie.

As I've said before, the interested parties may click http://colony14.net/id41.html and use their Web browser's “Edit”/”Find” function to search out the first use of the words “Sunday Advertiser” to read much, much more on the relative value of those microfiche records as “evidence” that Barry Soetoro had been born in Honolulu instead of in his native Kenya.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:30 am

So you didn’t read Polarik’s reports, geek? I mean, if you did, and you found his published observations less than “credible,” I’m sure you’d be picking ‘em apart instead of whining about how he’s kept himself “anonymous” to avoid getting suddenly dead in a plausible “accident.”

What part of the words “Chicago machine politician” don’t you understand, geek?


David Simmons
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:35 am

And if anyone knows 'nuts' it's (M)Ann Coulter, for sure!


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:43 am

So what part of “prove it” is confusing you? You have stated that the COLB is a fake but all you can do is point to a debunked source written by an anonymous person on the Internet. It doesn’t even matter that he’s anonymous anymore. So let’s see some real proof that the COLB was “faked” as you claim. Real proof that would cause this case to be heard by a real judge and not just by bands of random angry citizens posing as a “citizen’s grand jury.”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:04 am

“Palin yelled to the crowd, 'We eat, therefore we hunt.'”

http://washingtonindependent.com/52639/palin-wr…

You have got to be kidding me.

At some point, Sarah Palin became more surreal than the Sarah Palin Tina Fey played. That point, for me, was the bailout answer that ended up talking about trade sector jobs.

But, until I read the above, I would not have thought you could sneak a surprising Palinism by me. That has to be the wildest video footage. Makes me wish I'd seen it.

HEY! I now figured out what's behind the birther nonsense! This was all something Sarah Palin arranged with her followers via Twitter. She told them to stir up this birth certificate thing to distract the press from writing her obituary for the 20 days between I Quit and I'm Leaving.

It makes more sense than anything the birthers say!


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:05 am

He does have at least one goal: To remove President Obama from office by any means necessary. Trouble is, he's too lazy to do any research himself and instead of trying to achieve his goal, he'd rather argue on the Internet and let other people do his research for him. He's skeptical of anything that proves Obama's citizenship but completely credulous of anything that he thinks disproves it. I find it hard to believe he's any kind of doctor. If he is, I feel sorry for his patients.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:13 am

Well, yeah, duh! Getting your Mombasa Messiah out of the White House and into the Big House is certainly the prime objective, isn't it?

You really are as innocent of the sciences as the proverbial beasts that perish, ain'tcha, geek? What kind of “geek” do you think you are, anyway? Certainly not a “techno-geek,” that's for goddam sure.

In the sciences, being “skeptical” is a virtue. As opposed to being a socialist, where the word for which you're groping is “gullible.”

I don't believe in a goddam thing, bubbie. I want proof, and proof is exactly what your Mombasa Messiah is refusing to jerk out of his narrow ass and show to the big, wide, wonderful, worshiping world.

'Cause Barry knows – and you know, geek, and little stevie knows, too – that proof will get him entry to the “Supermax” at Marion, Ohio, for the rest of his natural life.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:22 am

“I've merely retailed the findings of others who had remarked upon the phenomenon.”

Ok, test-taker. You're proving your brilliance. You obviously speak many languages. But so do I. And I know that, translated, this just means “I get emails all the time from Sister Gladys who brings my pills, and also Cousin Henry who still hasn't forgiven the Japanese for what they did to Jackie Chan.”


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:24 am

By definition, you are indeed “demanding MORE evidence” because you have deemed the evidence you have been presented with as somehow not good enough. But it doesn't matter because it's already been proven by the fact that he has presented his birth certificate to the people who do the vetting for that sort of thing. He even graciously scanned a copy of it for people to see on the Internet even though he didn't have to. It's really too bad that you don't believe it, because there's not thing one you or any other deranged birfer can do about it. President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper will remain President of the United States most likely until January 20, 2017 because the state of Hawaii says he's a natural born citizen.

So go ahead and present your goalposts to someone who doesn't know you'll just move them once they're met. Better yet, call or e-mail Janice Okubo with the phone number or e-mail address I gave you. Not that you'll do it, of course, since you don't actually want proof or answers. You just want to uselessly argue with people on the Internet because you feel that somehow in your disturbed little mind it makes you superior.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:30 am

Here's where you can go for proof:

Janice Okubo
E-mail: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov
Phone number: (808) 586-4442

Suppose you now give us this proof you have that President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper will spend “the rest of his natural life” in any prison? No? I didn't think so.

Keep moving those goalposts.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:33 am

“He's skeptical of anything that proves Obama's citizenship but completely credulous of anything that he thinks disproves it”

Nailed it.

Oh, and test-taker is a Doctor in the same sense that Colonel Sanders is a military officer.


johnny b . good
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:34 am

David, I have a question> Maya Soetoro, Obama's half sister has an Hawaiian Certificate Of Live Birth , the same kind that the President has presented. Maya was born in Indonesia in 1970 but yet has a certificate like her half brother. Isn't it possible that Obama was born on foreign soil, and also got an Hawaiian Certificate of live birth also. Please research this info and I will look forward to you clearing up this issue. This is why there are so many birthers, because this certificate Obama does not mean he was born in Hawaii. No HAWAII OFFICIAL HAS CON FIRMED THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII, ONLY THAT HE HAS AN OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE ON FILE, JUST LIKE HIS SISTE WHO WAS BORN IN INDONEISA. IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION, IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING It is possible to have the certificate Obama has presented , but the long form birth certificate says BORN ON FOREIGN SOIL , just like Maya Soetoro's does


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:39 am

“In the sciences, being 'skeptical' is a virtue.”

True, but that has no application here. Skepticism is nothing more than (1) reserving judgment until sufficient proof is obtained, (2) making a judgment upon that proof, and (3) moving on.

The only difference between skeptics and normal people is that they take slightly more evidence to convince than do normal people. Both skeptics and normal people are able to look at clear and convincing proof and then move on.

Birthers, of which you are an eyesore of an example, get the above all screwed up. You formed a judgment first, ignored clear evidence second, and refuse to move on. Oh for three.

Don't hide behind a time-honored scientific virtue like skepticism. To be taken seriously as an intellectual, let alone a scientist, at some point you have to stop ignoring what is in front of your eyes because it does not fit what is in your mind.

But being taken seriously was never your goal. You just want attention. I wonder why no one you know will give you any?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:41 am

No, geek. What I'm saying is that those computer graphic images are no more evidentiary of Barry Soetoro's qualification to have run for or to serve as POTUS than are the computer graphic images generated by my grandson's PlayStation proof that he's a Jedi Knight.

Images can be spun out of thin air. The point of having a birth certificate – or any other similar legal document – is that by virtue of its “genuineness” it can be taken as proof of an assertion of identity and other characteristics of one's birth.

What I'm saying – what I'm still saying, and what you obviously don't want to read, geek – is that your Mombasa Messiah has NOT provided proof of his qualification, but rather a rather lame simulacrum of what one of his brain-dead campaign workers in June 2008 thought could be passed off as “proof” to a gullible, wishful constituency suckered into Mr. Soetoro's “Hope” and “Change” line of bullshit.

This not getting through to you yet, geek? The “birthers” you rant and rave at have merely “called the question,” and are demanding of your Fraudulence a response, as is their right. However it plays out, the tendency for people to view your socialist sonofabitch, Barry Soetoro, as what he is – a blatant fake and a criminal violating not only federal election laws but also the Constitution of these United States – is going to roll on.

Much as you'd like your victims to “shut up” and go away, geek, it ain't gonna happen.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:42 am

“I don't believe in a goddam thing, bubbie.” — test-taker Tuci78

Could've saved us about 300 posts, big guy! Would've spared a lot of feelings and saved a lot of wasted time.

Of course, I don't regret the time I've spent peeking into your wonderful magical world, where usurpers and dragons fight epic battles with socialists and freethinkers in a movie produced by Ayn Rand.

Just wish you'd have been candid before, that's all. Instead of just insane and threatening.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:43 am

The last question is quite possibly the most plausible question you’ve posed on this site.

Have to give you credit for restraining yourself there, at least.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:44 am

The virtue of skepticism certainly gives one better grounds upon which to stand than your manifestly racist (you are black yourself, right, stevie?) desire to wish a half-white, half-Arab/Luo tribesman socialist politician into supreme power in these United States, doesn't it?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:46 am

Jeez, sorry ’bout that, stevie. Not that I ever want to post anything that doesn’t make your blood boil, and all that.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:46 am

Well if you're looking for proof, you can find all you need right here:

Janice Okubo
E-mail: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov
Phone number: (808) 586-4442

Got any proof that President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper is “a blatant fake and a criminal violating not only federal election laws but also the Constitution of these United States?” No? I didn't think so.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:49 am

Wow. So you were asked for proof of your conspiracy theory.

In lieu of evidence, you point to a 320 year old document that was published, you allege, anonymously because Locke feared official reprisal.

That’s it. Sum and substance.

You want to tell us about the time a guy shut his door and locked it because a man was walking down the street, and it turns out the next week a guy in the other neighborhood got cancer? It’s exactly as relevant as your ruminations upon Locke.

By the way, three hundred twenty years ago, you’d have been in serious trouble for talking about the monarchy like you did about Obama.

What’s good enough for Locke’s King ought to be good enough for yours, don’tcha think?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Post a link for that burden of proof argument you keep getting wrong, test-taker.

The President is the President. He does not have to prove that. John Roberts was there when it happened. So were a lot of people. He's not a usurper, who takes over without a claim of color of title. He's the duly-elected President.

If you claim otherwise, it's your burden of proof to demonstrate why not. Just as it is every birther plaintiff's burden in every birther lawsuit. They just happen to fail the threshold standing test, so the burden of providing proof that by the way does not exist never gets explored in the birther cases.

Until then, keep on making up ever more disturbed imagery to let us know more than we wanted to about your sexual fantasies. Good way to stay hidden after making those horribly ill-advised death threats!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:54 am

Oh, less than 320 years ago. Ever heard of the Federalists’ Alien and Sedition Acts? Lincoln’s abrogation of habeas corpus? Saint Woodrow’s Palmer raids? HUAC in the ’50s? COINTELPRO?

Jeez, government goons have been violently suppressing dissent far more recently than 1689.

And why don’tcha just Wiki up John Locke and his Two Treatises for yourself? Do I look like your private tutor?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:54 am

People answered that red herring for you, and rather graciously, days ago, test-taker.

No one is arguing that an online image is guaranteed genuine just by looking at it online.

Hence the authentication of the real deal, the hard copy of the COLB, which is all that matters for birth certificates in the state of Hawaii, by Hawaiian officials authorized to make such statements by the Republican Governor of Hawaii.

Why would I want you to go away when you're so much fun to point and laugh at? You rarely find libertarians who will admit it these days. Especially not any who are as obviously easily-confuddled as you are.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 8:01 am

Nice dated racist reference at the end, test-taker.

How, exactly, did you read ANY of my posts and conclude that I’m hoping the birther issue goes away? Take another look around. You people are free advertising for everything that matters. You’re a powerful negative role model.

“What not to wear” come to life and sitting at a keyboard.

Who wants to be known as a birther when even Ann Coulter writes you off as a few “crazies” and points out that you’re like “the three Klanners” in that there’s a lot of hype about you but no membership whatsoever. That, and, of course, you’re a bunch of easily-frightened racists.

So why in the world would I want you birthers to exit stage right?

That’s the least plausible thing you’ve said, or among them anyway. I tried to give you credit for restraining yourself about the GOP and only saying they raped cub scouts. But I see that there was no point; you’re still way way off the reservation.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:08 am

No content, no content, and again no content, eh, test-taker? Tsk.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:13 am

Of course I don't like Grover either, test-taker.

And of course you don't need to worry about my health. And if you know what's good for you, you won't.

But let's not get distracted. You were about to show me a link to something that confirms that anyone who contends that President Obama is the President has the burden of proving so, rather than…you know, the way it works in reality.

Which, of course, is that if you contend that an election was flawed or otherwise did not result in a duly-elected and legitimate President, you have to provide evidence that proves the contention. Otherwise the President's office would be needlessly tied up providing proof that is obvious, in a thousand piddly suits filed by cranks who just want to waste time and resources.

Gee, that doesn't sound anything at all like the birthers' goal, does it? I know it's not YOUR goal. Your goal is to attract enough attention to get into Leavenworth and get bent over by a friendly colleague. You keep talking about it, after all, so it's pretty obvious.


David Simmons
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:17 am

Better yet, since *I* don't need to prove anything, is that YOU prove that Ann Dunham *ever* travelled to Kenya for ANY reason, EVER. Kthxbai


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:18 am

So you're NOT really black, then, stevie? and there's “no content” to calling a black guy “racist” if the only reason he's shown for supporting Barry Soetoro is that the socialists' Mombasa Messiah has some Luo tribesman mixed in with all that Dunham Caucasian blood and the preponderance of Arab his putative biological daddy brought to his conception?

Tsk. I thought that your racism, stevie, was the sum and substance of why you're here.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:38 am

That's a mirror you're looking at, racist test-taker.

Your question has words in it but isn't a question or a statement. It's just embarrassing to have to think that a person typed it.

Your negative and crude fixation on the President's race, and your delightful whimsical use of racist words like “mulatto,” sprinkled in with frequent references to violence upon the President, including without limitation forced anal sodomy in prison, is why I deem you racist.

That, and you keep typing racist nonsense. Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Threats, counselor? Even veiled threats? Tsk. Sick, sick little puppy, is our stevie.

What link, stevie? You need a URL to demonstrate what the expression “burden of proof” means? Hmph. Obviously an “ex-English major” who never made the debate team in high school, or even bothered to try out for it in college. How'dja do in moot court as a law student, stevie? Not so good, I guess.

There is not a “contention” that your colleague, Barry Soetoro, is not qualified to have run for or to serve as POTUS, stevie, but rather a question called whereby he is being asked – again, and again, and again – to uncork his personal records…

(( and us “birthers” want EVERYTHING, stevie, just absolutely, delightfully, shamefully EVERYTHING your asshole faux noir Punahau School preppie prick of a “red diaper baby” socialist has in that “permanent record” your teachers used to claim was going to follow you for all the rest of your life ))

…and pull out for detailed examination whatever “proof” he may have that he was born in these United State and/or otherwise qualifies under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution to continue jerking himself off all over the Resolute desk in the privacy of the Oval Office instead of getting bent over a bunk by his cellmate with a forlorn “Hope” for lubrication this time.

What, you don't think that the budget for “the President's office” is so thin that he can't have some flunky take his real, print-on-paper COLB – which he avers did exist in June 2008 to be scanned for the creation of those images you love so much – to a panel of competent forensic documents examiners capable of attesting under oath as to its “genuineness”?

Aw, stevie, you bigoted, racist, dumb-as-mud little putz. Ain't you just so cute?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:50 am

“With the way CMS has been screwing down Medicare reimbursements, I might need the income.” — test-taker Tuci78

That one's for you, jjfitz. You too, jimpa. test-taker wants to get rid of government, and its current duly-elected leader, but he's really just grouchy about his government “handout.”

Typical libertarian. Actually, not so different from the GOP governors who publicly say the stimulus isn't working but then go around to their constituents signing big stimulus checks, like Bobby Jindal recently got exposed on Countdown for doing.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 4:02 am

What's cute is that you typed all that as a long-winded way of exciting yourself. And you managed to repeat the disturbing image of the President being graphically raped! You're quite a charmer.

But you're not very good at hiding your disgusting motivations. Nor are you good at hiding from the actual issue.

All conspiracy theories lack evidence. This, naturally, is something of a problem for conspiracy theorists. Yet, tragically, conspiracy theorists also lack power. Also, they lack logic, reason, and memory, but mostly power.

So they tend to find themselves on the wrong end of a burden of proof that, having no proof, they cannot meet.

Which brings us to the point. You can turn the dial down on your morphine and turn the dial up on your insane, racist, violent invective. All it will do is get you unwanted government attention. Your ravings certainly won't lead to anything happening to the President, including without limitation any sort of official inquiry into the birther nonsense.

You still have the burden of proof. You still have no proof. You're still a doofus. Long sentences and multi-syllable words change none of that.

Your comic misapprehension of political groups and U.S. history is predictable. Projecting your racism onto others is just laughable. Your un-Americanism is just sad.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 4:20 am

And you, of course, little stevie, are a True Believer (Hoffer style), credulous to a fatal extent, ready instantly to “believe” whatever suits your racist predispositions.

(( Hey, you said you're black, didn'tcha, stevie? What, you can't be a racist if the race you're rooting for isn't Caucasian? ))

How like an “ex-English major” to demand that something so important as constitutional qualification be taken on faith.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 4:26 am

Now, stevie. You're the one with the “crude fixation on the President's race,” ain'tcha? I hate the flaming bastich because he's a Keynesian, a socialist, and a lying lawyer.

Which, I know, is partly why you love him so much, stevie, and want to have his babies, and would go down on your knees in his presence while he whips out the Presidential pole for your suckling attention. We got that, stevie, honest.

By the way, have you got a better word than “mulatto” to describe somebody who's half-Caucasian and (in Barry's case, kinda) half-Negro?

Keep on with your “racist nonsense,” stevie. Jeez, if you didn't exist somewhere out there on the Left Coast, I'd have to invent you just the way Jay McKinnon invented those stupid fake images of what you'd like people to think was your colleague's “birth certificate” back in June 2008.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Well, it's obvious that Medicare law and regulations is yet another area in which our stevie has zero experience.

Little stevie, some years ago HCFA (now CMS) required – required – that patients aging into eligibility for Medicare Part A benefits be automatically made Medicare clients and therefore physicians caring for such “clients” must accept Medicare reimbursement for services rendered. It became impossible for these “clients” to secure health insurance except as supplemental to their Medicare benefits, and even if such a “client” was perfectly willing to continue as a cash-paying customer, those damned HCFA forms still had to get filled out for each physician encounter.

And they required us “health care providers” not only to submit to these regulations if we wanted to continue seeing these patients, but to accept their payment schedules whether HCFA (now CMS) had set payment levels high enough to keep our offices open or not. Sort of a blackmail situation, stevie. “Do as we ordain, or your patients get it in the neck.”

And you bet I “want to get rid of government,” stevie. I'd be happy to go back to being completely fee-for-service. Get government cut down to it's proper size (suitable for drowning in Grover Norquist's bathtub sounds about right) and the real cost of living in this country will drop like the proverbial rock.

You smart enough to figure out the real costs imposed by government – both directly and indirectly – upon the people of this nation, stevie? Or are you just another dumb-as-mud racist Obamaphile, too gullible to remember to breathe without getting a nudge from your neighbor now and then?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 4:52 am

Neither the “Hawaiian officials” upon whose statements you dote, stevie, nor the “Republican Governor of Hawaii” (like a Republican politician can't be bought like a Snickers bar?) have stated that whatever in hell it is in their archives on the birth of Barry Soetoro is accurately reflected in those gaudy faux images created in June 2009 by Jay McKinnon or another one of Barry's campaign workers.

There has been no “authentication” whatsoever, little guy. None. And if such a print-on-paper COLB exists (or ever existed) the demand to have it verified by a panel of competent, impartial, sworn forensic documents examiners is entirely reasonable. That demand can be met in less time than it takes your Mombasa Messiah to empty his bowels into that private crapper the Secret Service keeps sanitized just off the Oval Office for him.

So why hasn't he done it?

(( Yeah, I know. I'm asking stevie, the racist Obamaphile who lusts for the opportunity to go down on Barry Soetoro just to see what his smegma tastes like…. ))


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 4:54 am

Suppose you prove your statement that Jay McKinnon, or anyone else for that matter, “invented” the images you describe as “stupid” and “fake”? Or would you rather try to shift the burden of proof back onto me so that you can move the goalposts once again?

All it would take is one phone call, you know. Just one and all your questions could be answered. But we all know that you're not interested in answers or the truth. All you're interested in is using multi-syllabic words in a failed attempt to make yourself sound smart.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 4:58 am

Jeez, what's disturbing about the “image” of a convicted felon in a moment of what little human closeness such poor bastiches can find? Considering that such is going to be Barry's sex life for the rest of his years on earth, aren't you being a little hard on the poor criminal, stevie?

Meanwhile, the burden of proof as to Barry's qualification to continue raping the nation instead of getting himself schtupped up the tochus remains on your side of the divide, stevie. Your Mombasa Messiah has gotta come up with that paper COLB to do the job.

And even then, of course, we'll still want EVERYTHING he has sealed away, stevie. You think anybody's gonna give up on this? Not while it so obviously inflames and infuriates you poor, stupid Obamaphiles.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:08 am

Okay. Go to http://colony14.net/id41.html and use your Web browser “Edit” and “Find” functions to locate “Jay McKinnon” on that page. Read. It's only reasonable speculation, 'cause what goes on in ACORN headquarters – pardon, “the Obama campaign” – is kept as secret as is the conduct of any criminal organization.

It's kinda like what an S2 puts together for his commander. Best information – even if it's “soft” – on enemy actions, capabilities, and intentions.

And just one piece of paper yanked out of your Mombasa Messiah's personal file cabinet – that 2007 COLB – would put paid to so much controversy and upset….

So why hasn't he coughed it up, geek?

Well, that's a question you're never gonna answer, is it?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:34 am

I could give a shit about what the birthers want, test-taker. Everyone gave up on them already. Even Ann Coulter!

Just as I could give a shit about your continued decision to pretend the rest of us have to prove anything to you.

The only reason I poke you is because you always respond. And it's always with more nonsense. It's what you deserve, for being such a worthless husk.

Continue to think that you're part of some “we.” No one, not even the birthers, would have you as a member of their little club.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:38 am

I'm smart enough to know that all that babble about you not liking a string attached to a government handout has nothing to do with whether Uncle Sam's giving you a handout.

He is.

As usual, takes you a very long time to say a whole lotta nothing, test-taker.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:39 am

Oh, so some unsourced “allegation” posted by an anonymous person is good enough for you but a scanned image of Obama's birth certificate posted on his own website is not? How nice it would be if you used your head for something other than a hat rack.

As for your question, I've answered it many times already. He doesn't need to show it to you because he's already showed it to the people who count. He only posted it on the Internet as a nicety. No other president has released an image of his birth certificate for the general public to view and none of them have been marched off to prison for not doing so.

So now, about that “proof” that Jay McKinnon or anyone else “invented” a “fake” image that is known as Obama's birth certificate? Not some “allegation” by anonymous people on the Internet. But some real honest-to-goodness proof. You do have that, don't you? Don't you?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:40 am

Meanwhile, you're relying on the rock-solid indisputable proof that descended to us from heaven in the person of Mrs. Nordyke.

What ever shall I do if you keep this up? Besides order a pizza and keep laughing at how stupid you are, that is.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:43 am

More lies per line of text than usual for you in that one, test-taker.

Why would that be? Not because you just can't admit it when your silly little mental gymnastics routine slips off the uneven bars and falls on its cranky unbalanced ass?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:47 am

“By the way, have you got a better word than “mulatto” to describe somebody who's half-Caucasian and (in Barry's case, kinda) half-Negro?”

Sure thing, test-taker. Try this word: President.

God you're stupid. You walked into that.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:48 am

“It's only reasonable speculation”

Whether it's reasonable is one question. Whether it is speculation is not in question.

Whether speculation shifts a burden of proof is an absurdity.

Fail.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:00 am

I answered that question, as did many others, test-taker…

Here's the latest example of the answer, taken from a reply I gave you two hours ago:

“[I]f you contend that an election was flawed or otherwise did not result in a duly-elected and legitimate President, you have to provide evidence that proves the contention. Otherwise the President's office would be needlessly tied up providing proof that is obvious, in a thousand piddly suits filed by cranks who just want to waste time and resources.”

Naturally, the easy answer is “because he doesn't have to respond to you, doofus.”

But of course it's politically advantageous to let his political opponents get stuck in between his policies, which they cannot oppose because they are popular with the general public, and their own crazy supporters, who they cannot appease because their claims are absurd, but who they cannot offend because that's their base.

Delightful to watch the GOP twist in the wind. Somewhat less delightful to be exposed to your racism, xenophobia (and, today, you added handicapped people and gays to the list, nice going!), and idiocy.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:04 am

Well, the “handout” is to the clients of Medicare, courtesy of King-Anderson and subsequent legislation.

I recall (and it was mentioned in my medical ethics textbook in school, too) some doctors in the town of Tom's River, NJ, who greeted King-Anderson with a concerted announcement that they would not accept Medicare reimbursement because they knew it was unconstitutional.

Which it is, of course.

They would accept only fee-for-service payment from their patients, and those patients who could not afford to pay would be treated – as usual – caritas.

Unlike your profession's pro bono publico – “for the public good” – doctors don't weasel about “the public good” when what we're doing for free is “charity.”

Harry S Truman – long an advocate of socialized medicine – was interviewed about these doctors' annoncement. His response? “They oughta be clubbed!”

Yet another reason why I don't much like Democrats. Like I ever needed another?

Either I go along with the government goons or my patients get screwed out of care. I know that it's an unlawful situation, but – hey, I'm Sicilian. We've been making do in an environment of organized crime since before we came over here from Palermo.

“What could I tell you?”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:08 am

Hey, stevie, the burden of proof isn't on me. It's on you and your fellow butt-sucking Obamaphiles. I'm just looking at your “evidence” and going “Damn. That's funny….”

You explain what is discussed on The Obama Timeline ( http://colony14.net/id41.html ). Use your “Edit”/”Find” function to search for the first use of the words “Sunday Advertiser.” I'd be really interested in your “take” on what comments have ben made on fonts and “squeezing” in that tiny section of the microfiche wherein Barry Soetoro's birth is supposed to have been announced.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:09 am

What could you tell me? You could start by telling me something that hasn't been run through the manual washing machine wringer that is your dilapidated mind.

No one gives a shit about your personal history or what you didn't learn from a medical ethics book.

And, doofus, you're still getting the benefit of the government handout, in the form of patient business you would otherwise not get, and certainly not get so easily.

But the overall point is that you've confimed AGAIN on this thread that you have no evidence, that you think “speculation” is enough to go on, and that you have less understanding of what “burden of proof” means than you do “cultural sensitivity.”

You…are…a…tool.

QED


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:11 am

Something stated by a guy who knew he'd get death threats (and worse) for challenging the character and qualifications of a Chicago political machine thug?

Compared to bogus JPG images cranked out by an ACORN stooge?

Yeah, you betcha, geek.

You familiar with John Locke? Didja know he published his Two Treatises of Government anonymously back in 1689 because he knew that even William and Mary would want his blood for “attacking” the legitimacy of absolute monarchy?

What's good enough for John Locke ought to be good enough for “Dr. Polarik,” don'tcha think?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:17 am

Fraid not, test-taker. You can keep trying to weasel out of it. Burden of proof is still on you.

Remember the end of School Ties? Sure you do; you have class envy like I have Simpsons quotes rattling around in my head. At the end, Brendan Fraser has to endure a slur from his rival about how in ten years, no one will care about the rival's expulsion, but Fraser's character will “still be a Jew.”

“Yeah?” says Fraser. “Well, you'll still be a prick.”

Kind of reminds me of you. Except that I like that movie, and you make me want to wipe my ass again because I smell something foul when you type.

Tomorrow, and the next day, and next year, and the year after that (and the year after that!) President Obama will still be President. And his school records will still be sealed. And the media will have moved on to other sound bites about idiots besides you.

But if God hasn't punched your One Way Ride Ticket by then, you'll still be the most ignorant doofus I've ever encountered in the 15 years I've been using the internet. I wish there was a big prize I could give you.

How about a black President in 2012? I bet you'd like that. Give you something to bitch about when you don't want to admit that you miss the days when men touched your special area.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:18 am

Well, thanks for the recapitulation, stevie. Doesn't make any more sense here than it did there, but what the hell….

Hey, I'm glad you like to watch the Republicans “twist in the wind,” though. Me, too.

Any more of them get caught molesting Cub Scouts or such lately?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:23 am

Gawsh, stevie. Do you behave like this in a deposition? I know you don't do trial work, but a lawyer trying to get to “demonstrandum without a trace of quod anywhere to rely upon….

Okay, any content here? Nope, nope, nope…. More bile, a bit of spleen, some typical stevie-type racist hatemongering, failure to understand Medicare law and regulations, etc., etc., etc.

Yeah, about what I figured. Get your blood pressure checked, stevie. And an EKG at least once a year. Are you a smoker, too? Sorry, but it's a relevant element in your risk profile.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:27 am

A lawfully elected “black President in 2012″ would be GREAT, stevie! If it could be Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams, I'd be up for it in a heartbeat.

Alan Keyes is too goddam Republican to suit my tastes.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Down below, euphgeek had written:

“So what part of 'prove it' is confusing you? You have stated that the COLB is a fake but all you can do is point to a debunked source written by an anonymous person on the Internet. It doesn't even matter that he's anonymous anymore. So let's see some real proof that the COLB was “faked” as you claim. Real proof that would cause this case to be heard by a real judge and not just by bands of random angry citizens posing as a 'citizen's grand jury.'”

I had not written that the COLB (if such a document truly exists) is a fake, geekster, but rather that the IMAGES put forth by the Obama campaign by way email attachments to DailyKos and to Barry's fellow Annenberg Foundation employees at FactCheck show clearly appreciable hallmarks of factitiousness.

That these images cannot be taken as proof positive of Barry Soetoro's “natural born” citizen qualification is not something that even you, geek, can dispute. Can you? Are you going to continue witlessly claiming that I'm calling your Messiah's COLB a fake when I've not done so, and have no intention of doing so?

As always, the demand is that Barry produce the print-on-paper COLB from which those images were allegedly scanned and submit it to evaluation by a panel of impartial, experienced, qualified forensic documents examiners. Nothing more or less than that. What could be more reasonable?

Even though I do sincerely wish your Messiah every possible ill (up to and including a bolt of lightning striking his pate and frying him into Crispy Critter status right out there on the Andrews Air Force Base tarmac – and, no, stevie, I can't control the weather), the demands of the “birthers” for that socialist sonofabitch to pull it out and flop it down are not only within their rights but a clear duty on the part of Barry as a “public servant” on the government payroll.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:23 am

I don't laugh nearly this much in depositions. It would be rude. You have no idea what I do for work; you're always wretchedly wrong.

And no one in the real world, at least not the professional real world, is foolish enough to say racist things, let alone make threats, when other people are listening intently and one person is transcribing it in real time.

(You've saved everyone the need for transcription.)

So I rarely have occasion, in deposition or in open court, to use the french words that I remember from high school and college, that I often use with you.

Speaking of content, where's your proof of any part of your exponentially-expanding conspiracy theory, test-taker?


fnord
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:24 am

Oh come of it. We all know that he was planted by aliens in the ongoing war between Sirius and Pluto, brought in at night by black helicopters to MAKE THE AMAGEDDON AND RAPTURE COME TRUE! Dontcha see, its the will of Jesus that the US must suffer through a communist-muslim-fascist dictatorship before the good lord comes back due to insults to the holy land of Is-ra-el?

lol.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:29 am

I hope you'll donate time and money to those men through their campaign committees, should they run.

Or you can just throw a week-long temper tantrum, like you've done here. Either way. Same effect on the real world.

Whatever you do, Obama will be re-elected.

Loads of fun watching you twitch through ridiculous prose for the past few days, though.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:36 am

Where are we losing you, test-taker? Seriously. No fooling. What part of the below don't you understand?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI

“However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual certification of live birth and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.

A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

Wow. Raised seal. Authentic. People claiming otherwise added stuff that wasn't there before.

And this is from a WORLD NEWS DAILY article published eleven months ago! You keep lying about what is in the rest of the story, and accusing me of selective quoting. You're not fooling anyone. This is why Keith Olbermann said that even WND had authenticated the birth certificate, when he did a story on birthers a couple of weeks ago.

Moreover, nbc1 has posted several times with links to a site that examines the COLB in detail. You can pretend your questions have not been addressed. You're not fooling anyone.

You just like to ask ridiculous questions that you fill with nasty invective against government, handicapped people, Kenyans, and of course, President Obama. Quit pretending you want answers. You want a stage from which to vent your vile spleen.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:37 am

Ooh, hysterical laughter while on antipsychotic therapy. Bad sign, there, stevie. Are they checking your dose response? Physiological habituation commonly reduces effectiveness as time goes by, and the dosages have to be bumped up re re-secure proper stabilization.

No need for proof of any conspiracy on my part, stevie. Just a reasonable, calm, smirking demand that your beloved Barry cough up his real, print-on-paper birth certificate (or whatever substitute you clowns claim he has) and put it – rather than some silly fraudulent computer graphic images – in front of the public to prove his birth to have taken place in Hawaii instead of in his native Kenya.

If you think there's really a “conspiracy” involved in Barry's quest to continue suppressio veri, suggestio falsi, stevie, would you care to provide such informed speculation as might apply about how the RICO Act statutes will impact the DNC, the Congress, and the rest of the National Socialist Party establishment?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:42 am

To the support of Walter Williams and/or Tom Sowell (what a one-two punch that'd be on a presidential ticket!)? You betcha, stevie.

You know those guys? Ever read Sowell's Ethnic America (1983)? Unlike most economists, Tom Sowell can really write.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

The fact is, the regulations regarding security clearances do not apply to elected officials and specific appointed positions. (Although appointments to higher level positions do require Senate confirmation. An inferior version of vetting in my opinion.) Elected officials are simply made to “promise” that they will not divulge the nation’s secrets. (That does not preclude the likelihood that the FBI and/or CIA have secret files on elected officials. And if Obama was not born in the U.S., it is, IMHO, likely that that fact would have been leaked during the campaign. Remember the Valerie Plame situation.)

A Senator needs only to meet the following requirements according to Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution:
*At least 30 years old.
*A U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.
*A resident of the state one is elected to represent in the Senate.

So, there you have it. You can check these facts for yourself. (the opinions are my own)


True Patriot
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:51 am

This is a great new video about the birth certificate issue. Everyone concerned about this issue NEEDS to watch it ASAP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coCDRfh0AWg


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 8:17 am

Er, stevie, that WND link just pops up the WND main page leading with a scare headline about “Shock video: Professor Gates goes on N-word rant.”

And the Annenberg Foundation Web site to which you're trying to refer is FactCheck, not FactChecker.

You got something more than that, kid?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

You poor sad sick dear. Yes I can read a book. But you are incapable of answering a simple question. I certainly hope that you and your posts are not representative of liberal America, because if so, it appears that half the country should be Where on earth will we put all those insane people?
FYI: At the time that Obama traveled to Indonesia, children were not required to have a passport. They traveled on the parents passport. I visited Europe as a child on my mothers passport.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:25 pm

Cry Me a River, Build A Bridge and Watch the Rivers  Flow.

He’s President and Choose Any Name  to call Him, he’s The President Of These United States Of America.

You Spineless, Bitter, Hate Mongering, Pack Of Whiners…

Hate is Such an Ugly Look
———————————————-

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4
Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

He’s The President of the USA

You and those  like [You]

Present Your [Original Birth Certificate & Social Security Number] and Present these Federal ID’s to the World…

You Can’t like that Nut Lady in Massachusetts with a Piece of Paper in her Zip Lock Bag…

What Proof is that, Proof Enough to Low Life’s Like You…

Desperate Hate Mongers, Looking for Any Angle

Go Away


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

Oh Dear, Lordy, Lordy, Lordy…

A Black Man’s My President, I Mean a [Bi-Racial Man]

God Save the Confederacy, I Mean The [Union]…

Wave The Rebel Flag..

Where’s Hank Williams Jr. Charlie Daniels, John Rich and Gretchen Willson..

My Bad, They were on the the McCain-Palin Trail….

And we Still Lost the Popular & Electoral Vote !!!

Robert E. Lee… .

We’ve Failed You….

Oh White God Above….

Jesus Help Us…

Are the Good Times Really Over For Good …

I’m Quoting Merle Haggard …

God Bless The Confederacy….

I Mean….

The [Union]

You Low Life’s


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

Oh Dear, Lordy, Lordy, Lordy…

A Black Man’s My President, I Mean a [Bi-Racial Man]

God Save the Confederacy, I Mean The [Union]…

Wave The Rebel Flag..

Where’s Hank Williams Jr. Charlie Daniels, John Rich and Gretchen Willson..

My Bad, They were on the the McCain-Palin Trail….

And we Still Lost the Popular & Electoral Vote !!!

Robert E. Lee… .

We’ve Failed You….

Oh White God Above….

Jesus Help Us…

Are the Good Times Really Over For Good …

I’m Quoting Merle Haggard …

God Bless The Confederacy….

I Mean….

The [Union]

You Low Life’s


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

Salli: Oh Dear, Lordy, Lordy, Lordy…

A Black Man’s My President, I Mean a [Bi-Racial Man]

God Save the Confederacy, I Mean The [Union]…

Wave The Rebel Flag..

Where’s Hank Williams Jr. Charlie Daniels, John Rich and Gretchen Willson..

My Bad, They were on the McCain-Palin Campaign Trail….

And we Still Lost the Popular & Electoral Vote !!!

Robert E. Lee… .

We’ve Failed You….

Oh White God Above….

Jesus Help Us…

Are the Good Times Really Over For Good …

I’m Quoting Merle Haggard …

God Bless The Confederacy….

I Mean….

The [Union]

Save Me Lord, Take Me Now !!!!

Why have Thou Forsaken Us..Oh Lord !!

The Lord Responds: Because You are a Low Life, Hate Monger and those who Think like you are also Low Life’s…

Did You think, that I would Leave  things as they are [Forever] ?

Changing Times. Every Race I Made  on this Planet and Everything Changes, Did you not know that ?

Get up to Speed, My Dear….Or be left Behind.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

Salli: Admit it, You want to F–K Me….

You Refuse to Stop Sending me these  Post….

 Er Um [Responses]

Move On, Live Your Life, he’s the President, Thank God .

 Prove to Me, You don’t want to F–K Me.

By Simply  Going Away…

OK


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

We all know the Gargamel created ALL the smurfs. Including Smurfette, who was originally a very bad girl. Since they were created rather than born, they never had birth certificates. (I have all the shows on DVD’s).

The “Crazy 88″ were O-Ren Ishii’s squad of goons. They were not in control of the gang bosses.

Now if I could only learn the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique I could put Omaar out of his misery.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:42 am

Down below and squeezing off the page, euphgeek had written:

“So what part of 'prove it' is confusing you? You have stated that the COLB is a fake but all you can do is point to a debunked source written by an anonymous person on the Internet. It doesn't even matter that he's anonymous anymore. So let's see some real proof that the COLB was 'faked' as you claim. Real proof that would cause this case to be heard by a real judge and not just by bands of random angry citizens posing as a 'citizen's grand jury.'

The counterclaims of Dr. Neal Krawetz are interesting. I'd seen them before and discounted them as piling up detraction when the definitive refutation of Polarik's contentions is simply a direct and reliable examination of the print-on-paper legal document from which these computer graphic images that had allegedly been scanned.

When the features of the images' contents are so “Damn. That's funny…” as to include the entry of “African” for the race of the infant's father in a document sourcing vital statistics recorded in 1961 (at which time the entry options did not include “African” and would've read “Negro”), the contentions of Dr. Krawetz are insufficiently convincing as to the validity and provenance of whatever paper document might (or might not) have been used to originate those JPG images in June 2008.

Again and again and again, if such a real legal document exists, there is every reason for citizens of this nation to demand of Barry Soetoro that he produce it as a manifest of his bona fides. It does not matter if a majority of the botched and the gullible wishfully embrace Barry Soetoro's “Hope” and “Change,” for factual reality is not judged by popular opinion.

Is Barry Soetoro (who appears never to have changed his legal name back to “Barack Hussein Obama II” after having been adopted by Lolo Soetoro as a child) is, indeed, legally qualified as a “natural born” citizen of these United States to occupy the public office he now occupies, he has nothing more to do than to put forward more proof of that eligibility than a couple of computer graphic images, however they might have been created.

His reluctance to do this raises suspicions of criminal intent that only a mentally and morally crippled Obamaphile could possibly deny.

And the Obamaphile has a definite “diminished capacity” defense should he be brought to task on this gaudy willful ignorance.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..
1. To not have a Social Security Number
2. No Birth Certificate
3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.
4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.
5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.
6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.
7. To Become a Illinois State Senator
8. A 4 Yr US Senator.
9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]
10. To Become the President of the USA …

OMAAR, you are consistently ignorant. You make ludicrous statement with no proof whatsoever to back them up. You just keep posting these absurdities as if they are true. Not to mention, your command of English grammar stinks. What’s with the capitalization, use of brackets and repeated words?

Moreover, no, I have no desire to have sex with you. It would potentially lower the intelligence level of my offspring.

1) I would assume that Obama does have a SS #. You need one to pay taxes
2) Since Obama was in fact born, he most certainly has a birth certificate
3) With said birth certificate he could of course attend public school
4) Once again, I will explain to you, children traveled on their parent’s passports. Look it up, dopey.
5) What would prevent anyone from flying from Hawaii, or for that matter Alaska, to the mainland? Hawaii is after all a U. S. state and one does not need a passport to travel within the U.S. What is your point with that statement?
6) I believe his law degree and subsequently passing the bar made him an attorney
7) Yup, he was an Illinois State Senator
8) Yup, he was a U.S. Senator
9) Once again, I will repeat, because you are so slow to understand. Elected Officials DO NOT need a security clearance. What part of this do you not understand? Once again, LOOK IT UP!!!
10) Yup, he’s President of the United States

Now what do these statements show, nothing. As I present them, they make sense. As you present them, they are silly comments that make no sense whatsoever. All your posts prove is that you are incapable of rational thought, logical argument, and respectful conversation. You are nothing more than a vulgar pig and no one can take you seriously. Post all the vulgarities you please, it just shows everyone here what type of person you really are. Now that being said I have no desire to speak with you again. I value my time and have no desire to waste it replying to a vulgar pig who refuses to research his own comments before posting. Adiós, usted puta ignorante.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Salli: When Do You Want To F–K Me…

He’s President of the USA…

Reality

1 More Time

—————

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Leveled State-Federal Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

You are Incapable of Critical Thinking…

And You Obviously, want to F–K Me…

Because You Constantly Respond.

If someone had  said, what I said to you, I would Not Ever Respond Again..

So what does that say about [Sweet, Hot, Steaming & Smoking Salli]

You Must be Great In Bed.

Because You have an Affinity for  [Sarcasm-Cynicism]

It Turns You On…Huh

Now Go Away…

You Won and I’ve Lost..

PS: Keep It [Hot] For Me Salli.

Republican Women are the Best in [Bed]


Omaar
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

Salli: Oh Dear, Lordy, Lordy, Lordy…

A Black Man's My President, I Mean a [Bi-Racial Man]

God Save the Confederacy, I Mean The [Union]…

Wave The Rebel Flag..

Where's Hank Williams Jr. Charlie Daniels, John Rich and Gretchen Willson..

My Bad, They were on the the McCain-Palin Trail….

And we Still Lost the Popular & Electoral Vote !!!

Robert E. Lee… .

We've Failed You….

Oh White God Above….

Jesus Help Us…

Are the Good Times Really Over For Good …

I'm Quoting Merle Haggard …

God Bless The Confederacy….

I Mean….

The [Union]

You Low Life's


smrstrauss
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Re: “You are missing the part where Hawaiian law *allows* for a birth certificate to be generated based on the affadavit of a family member.”

In 1961 Hawaiian law did NOT allow for a birth certificate to be generated based on the affidavit of a family member. If a child was born outside of a hospital, Hawaii required a signed statement by the doctor or midwife who delivered the child. Yes, in 1907 or so, Sun Yat Sen got a Hawaiian birth document. But that was nearly 60 years before Obama’s birth.

Not only does Obama have the official birth certificate of Hawaii which says on it “Location of Birth: Honolulu.” but this has been confirmed by the two officials who looked into the file and said that there is an original birth certificate in it. (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html)

And the spokeswoman for the department said that the presence of an original birth certificate in the file means that Obama was born in Hawai.

Quotes: “Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”

End quotes:

And in addition to all that official proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, there is this witness who confirms hearing about the birth to a woman called Stanley at the time, and writing about it to her father, who also was called Stanley. (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html)

Re: “If Obama was born in Kenya…”

The claim that Obama was born in Kenya is absurd. His Kenyan grandmother did not say that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in HAWAII. Listen to the complete tape, and you can hear her say “America, Hawaii” right after the question “Whereabouts was he born?” http://www.obamacrimes.info/Telephone_Interview_with_Sarah_Hussein_Obama_10-16-08.mp3

If it is too difficult to follow the tape, here is the complete transcript of that call. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obamatranscriptlulu109.pdf

Not only was the story that the grandmother said that Obama was born in Kenya made up, so was the allegation that other relatives said it (nothing has been published) and the allegation that there are birth files in Kenya that have been sealed by the Kenyan government was also made up (no confirmation from any agency other that WND that there are any files or that any files are sealed).

So, there is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and no proof he was born anywhere else.


Sail1993
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

“Whatever you do, Obama will be re-elected.”

God I hope not. In addition, I have believe not lest I fall into despair.

Intelligent people will reject the mounting national debt, socialized medicine, rationed health care based upon age, handicap, etc,, the elimination of private insurance by attrition, government funded abortion on demand, the take-over of private business, the loss of jobs due to over-taxation of business, the deliberate pitting of the poor against the rich, (evidenced by ACORN”S protest outside AIG offices), the bailout/buyout of mortgages procured by people who could not afford them, the destruction of the middle class, the wholesale naturalization of illegal aliens, blah, blah, blah……….need I go on……….the very fact that federally elected officials will NOT have to enroll in the government health plan but get to keep their top of the line care for life, while we get a crappier version of Medicaid, should send people into a frenzy. Where is the equity? Reminds me of the “haves” of the Politburo and the “have nots” of the Soviet masses.

Stephen, is this really what you want? Is that your vision for the future of America? Those serious questions should be reflected upon.

People who back Obama consistently “use the race card” against those who do not. Personally, I could not care less what color his skin is. I do care that his and the current legislative session’s policies are driving us toward socialism. I firmly believe that the American dream should not be a handout provided by the government but can and should be achieved by hard working people. We are never going to have all we desire, but we can surely achieve a decent measure of financial security without government interference.

Cicero said it right: “Ask not what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country.”


hcv
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

OK, let's go through this *yet again*.

The people who have been analyzing this document have been doing so via JPEG images. This means that there is no way they can come to any verifiable conclusion, *positive* or *negative*, using image analysis. Anyone who claims otherwise should not be considered an expert of any sort.

Trying to analyze a second-generation image would be like, I don't know, citing Wikipedia as a primary source in a lawsuit. Oops, that's exactly what Orly Taitz did in the Keyes suit.

So, what *can* we use the images as? We can use them to verify that the Obama campaign did, in good faith, go the extra mile early on to try to mollify the birthers. And we've seen how well *that* worked out.

Well then, how do we verify that the document he presented was legitimate? How about if the issuing agency confirmed that it was legit? Hey, they did that! OK, case closed. Hah.

Next, his name. Gee, he seems to have referred to himself as Barack Obama *at all times* in the US, from his birth to the time he left for Indonesia, and thence from his return from Indonesia to present date. So, the only source for him being “Barry Soetoro” is one document from a school abroad. If you consider that source to trump the laws of our country, then I guess yes, he is Barry Soetoro, but you seem to be surrendering our sovereignty to a foreign grade school awfully easily.

About the African thing. Obama senior was an African, as in: “he was from Africa.” If you can provide a source that verifies your contention that there was no way to say “he was from Africa” on the original birth certificate, feel free to cite it! I've never seen such a thing, nor has anyone else.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

Dr. Neal Krawetz posted no such counterclaims. Did you really think that I would, like you, not follow your link and thus catch you in a lie? And what you think about the image is irrelevant. The fact that President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper and Mombasa Messiah (like the addition to his title? I do.) has not turned his actual factual birth certificate over to the general public matters not at all since he doesn't have to. Again, no president in history has ever released an image of his birth certificate for the general public to view and none of them have been marched off to prison for it. But if you insist on finding out the truth (and I know you're in search of no such thing), just call this number and they'll explain everything:

Janice Okubo
E-mail: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov
Phone number: (808) 586-4442

Just ask, “Does the state of Hawaii consider President Barack Hussein Obama II to be a natural-born citizen?” If the answer is yes, then that's the end of it. Thanks to the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, they alone determine who is and is not a natural-born citizen for all people they issue a birth certificate to.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

“Are you going to continue witlessly claiming that I'm calling your Messiah's COLB a fake when I've not done so, and have no intention of doing so?”

Oh, but you have, indirectly. You stated that he will spend “the rest of his natural life” in prison, that he is “a blatant fake and a criminal violating not only federal election laws but also the Constitution of these United States,” and that Jay McKinnon “invented” the images you describe as “stupid” and “fake.” Now why would he be going to prison if his COLB wasn't fake? Why would anyone need to “invent” images if it wasn't a fake? And wouldn't a “blatant fake” need a fake COLB?

While you're mulling the answers to those questions over, I'll once again post the following contact information, knowing full well that you'll never call them because you're not interested in finding out the truth:

Janice Okubo
E-mail: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov
Phone number: (808) 586-4442


euphgeek
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

The page should be:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

And the “FactChecker.org” should have a [sic] after it, because that's how it is in the article.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

Re: “back in 1961 – when Obamaphiles argue that Barry Soetoro had been born
in Honolulu, and when his personal information had been entered into the
state government’s archives – there was no option to enter
“African-American” or “African” into a data field pertinent to ethnic status.”

Apparently this is not true. The Department of Health of Hawaii has said
that its practice in 1961 and today is to enter whatever the person said. So,
if the father said “African,” that was what was entered. And, since the
father came from Africa, he may have said it.

But, what does this have to do with the overwhelming evidence that Obama
was born in Hawaii?

In addition to the proof of the Certification itself, and the confirmation
that the Department sent a certification to Obama, and the notices in the
newspaper, which were not advertisments but were notices sent by the
government to the newspapers–and were only sent out for births in Hawaii, and
not for births outside of Hawaii–there occurred the confirmation of the two
officials who looked into the file and said that there was an original birth
certificate in the file. Hawaii did not allow foreign birth certificates
to be filed in 1961, so the original birth certificate in the file can only
be a Hawaiian birth certificate. And this was confirmed in a press
interview (supplemented by the same thing in writing in an e-mail) which was done
by the spokeswoman for the Department of Health of Hawaii and quoted by the
Chicago Tribune
(_http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html_
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JD_conservative
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

As a conservative, I'm sick of this conspiracy nonsense. The guy was born in Hawaii, period. We should be focusing on the fact that B.O. is trying to do untold damage to this nation through Cap and Trade, health care under gov't control, taking over private business (GM & Chrysler) and generally having no way to pay for any of this which means HUGE tax increases are coming.

The birth certificate thing is complete crap. He was born in Hawaii. Stop with the nonsense and painting conservatives with the same whack jobs that believed in the 9-11 conspiracies, the black box 2004 voting conspiracies, etc.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 1:40 am

Cutting and pasting again, straussmeyer? And thanks for the URL to checking out my credit score, but I’m not in the market right now.

Let’s see, is there anything in your copied screed that actually addresses the points I’d made in the note I’d posted immediately above? Nope.

Y’see, straussdorf, if a Hawaii state Certification of Live Birth supposedly scanned to create the JPG images yanked out of some Macintosh-using Obama campaign staff flunky’s ass back in June 2008 were truly reflective of data on file entered in 1961, “African” wouldn’t be in the slot for “Race of Father” or whatever, but rather “Negro.”

The “short-form” COLB format – when it’s actually issued by the state of Hawaii – is merely an output document that draws inexorably upon whatever information is actually in the state of Hawaii’s archive, whether it’s on paper or digitized on a hard drive somewhere.

No “African” on the input side, no “African” on the output.

Simple enough even for an Obamaphile simpleton like you?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

So you're reading this on email and can't “see” the HREF links, geek? Okay:

http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/aut…

http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archive…

Okay, cite my errors. Or “lie.” Or whatever floats your boat. Jeez, geek; I've called you incompetent, but never a liar. Are you getting guilted-out or something? Seeing perhaps your own motivations and methods in your opponents' actions?

Maybe you'd better re-cast that one sentence to read “no president in history has ever released [a FRAUDULENT] image of his birth certificate for the [purpose of criminal deceit] and none of them [had] been marched off to prison for it [until following the trial and conviction of Barry Soetoro].”

There, that reads better. And I'm going to trust a parcel of Republicans in the state of Hawaii to police a Chicago machine politician whom it is “Career Death” for them (owing to Hawaiian voters' paroxysmal kvell over your Mombasa Messiah's ascension unto heaven) to reveal as a felon? Nah!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

Oh, I've called your Mombasa Messiah's Certification of Live Birth a fake “indirectly“?

Jeez, that's news, geekster. So stating that “the image of the thing is not the thing itself” is either implying that the thing itself does not exist, or that the image of the thing IS the thing itself, right?

Whoa. Well, geek, that doubtless explains much about your intimate personal relationship with your pornography collection….


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

Got a response from Drew Zahn (the writer who produced that WND page's content) to my email query. I quote in toto, with italicization added where Mr. Zahn's message used a change of font color to mark a single paragraph's exceptionality:

==
Thank you for your effort to understand and critically think about this issue.

First, there is no link to the investigation results, because the investigation that was done was merely into several of the claims being made at the time offering “proof” the document was a forgery. As the second sentence clarifies, many of those alleged “proofs” of forgery were not proofs at all.

You are correct in that we have never seen nor examined the actual paper document. The first sentence of the quoted paragraph, admittedly, is worded poorly, and out of context, does seem to imply something it was never intended to imply. I'm sure you can understand, however, that for us to go back and correct the wording – at this point, after it has been referenced so many times – would look unscrupulous on our part, as if we were “covering our tracks.”

The word “found” is the problem. Another of our reporters actually added that to the story, but I've been compelled to explain it ever since.

A better wording of the paragraph is, and should have been:

A separate WND investigation into Obama's online image of his certification of live birth found that several forgery experts saw no evidence to doubt the document's authenticity. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

At this point, we still have no concrete or undisputable proof that the online image is fraudulent. We have reported on some who think so, but as we're reporters, not forgery experts, all we can do is report on the disagreement that exists between the experts.

Regardless, I hope you will look into our stories to understand, even if the COLB is perfectly legitimate, it's a red herring argument. There are still reasons for Obama to release his long-form birth certificate, and still legitimate questions surrounding his eligibility. The COLB, even if legit, is not adequate to demonstrate natural born citizenship.

Drew Zahn,
News editor, WorldNetDaily
==

There y'go, stevie. Now could you please set up your Webcam and record your head exploding? I wanna watch!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

On the “FactChecker.org” mistake – however it had appeared in the original – your post above demonstrates that by bracketing the expression with quotation marks, one effectively refuses this Web site's programming characteristic that turns such an entry in a “Comments” box into a click-able link.

Good thing to learn, I guess.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:21 am

Still no counterclaims in your links. And my statement that “no president in history has ever released an image of his birth certificate for the general public to view and none of them have been marched off to prison for it” still stands as stated. There has been no trial or conviction of President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper and Mombasa Messiah. Again, he does not have to show anything to the general public. If you think that he's not a natural-born citizen, the burden of proof is on you to prove it.

Nice duck and weave on not calling the state of Hawaii, by the way. The thing is, though, if they say he's a natural-born citizen, then he is. It doesn't matter if you believe them or not.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:23 am

No, stating that he will spend “the rest of his natural life” in prison, that he is “a blatant fake and a criminal violating not only federal election laws but also the Constitution of these United States,” and that Jay McKinnon “invented” the images you describe as “stupid” and “fake” DOES imply that the COLB does not exist. So yes, you did indirectly call his COLB a fake.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 1:48 am

Yeah, no putative president has yet been guilty of criminal usurpation of the office in question. Jeez, geek, don't you have any soul in you? Your Mombasa Messiah has precipitated an unprecedented constitutional crisis – your “Liberal” assholes are making real history here! – and you can't get up any enthusiasm for being alive and conscious (well, as close to consciousness as any “Liberal” ever gets) and able to witness one of those events like the Kennedy assassination and 9/11 when you'll be able to tell younger generations:

“Yeah, I was watching on TV the day they came to haul that miserable, lying half-White sonofabitch out of the White House in handcuffs. What a downer!”

No sense of history whatsoever. Yet another hallmark of the “Liberal.”

Which is why – devoid of historical knowledge of government's innate and fatal failings – you're a “Liberal,” right, geekie?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 1:54 am

Jeez, geek. Go back to pawing over your Polaroids, why don'tcha?

I'm not implying much about that alleged 2007 Certification of Live Birth at all. I'm STATING EXPLICITLY that the presentation of easily-faked images of such a COLB – if it exists – does not equal the physical submission of such a real, print-on-checkbook-type-paper, properly signed and sealed, right-out-of-the-Hawaiian-state-government-printer-using-vector-font (not Photoshop bitmap kerning) legal document to a panel of impartial, qualified, experienced forensic examiners.

You'd say that, too, geek-boy, if doing so wouldn't make your pointy little Obamaphile head explode.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:03 am

Gee, nothing you can say disproves anything I said, huh? Perhaps you can show me the law that President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper and Mombasa Messiah is breaking by not showing his COLB to a forensic document examiner? Surely you can at least do that, because that's the only thing that's going to get him put in prison.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:12 am

Aw, geek-tochus. Like you said anything worth disproving? Your Mombasa Messiah may, indeed, be under no legal constraint at present to cough up that wonderful, ellusive, “Yeah, I've got it right here – and I can scan it and email the pictures to you to prove it!” short-form COLB.

Uh-huh. And Nixon was under no legal obligation to give up all those tapes on which he'd recorded his conversations with his criminal flunkies, either. Until all of a sudden, he was.

Things change, geek. Precipitously, a lot of the time. Your half-White, a bunch Arab slave trader, some little bit of Luo tribesman criminal Usurper-in-Chief is striding through the tall cotton one minute, and wearing an orange jumpsuit while hoping strenuously for Vaseline the next.

Ain't life as a “Liberal” a stone bitch, kiddo?


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:15 am

Ah, but that's not what you actually said! Here, I'll show you again. You said:

1) That he will spend “the rest of his natural life” in prison
2) That he is “a blatant fake and a criminal violating not only federal election laws but also the Constitution of these United States”
3) That Jay McKinnon “invented” the images you describe as “stupid” and “fake”

Those 3 things imply that you don't think he has a real COLB, so the only logical explanation is that any COLB he produced would necessarily be FAKE!


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Well gee, if some president once did something illegal, that means anything any other president does is also illegal, is that it? Such superb “logic” you have there. Meanwhile, Hawaii has once again confirmed that Barack Hussein Obama II is a natural-born citizen of the United States:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”

Not that this will make a bit of difference to you, you'll just move the goalposts again as you always do.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:33 am

“No HAWAII OFFICIAL HAS CON FIRMED THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII”

Oops, wrong again!

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Well, the quote for which you're groping, geek, is:

Well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal.

Do I gotta credit it, geekie?

And what goalposts? Was there a COLB issued in 2007 to somebody using the alias of “Barack Hussein Obama II” or not? Was such a COLB used in June 2008 to create the images that the Obama people are presently trying to sterilize off the Internet?

If it ever existed, where is that document now, and why the hell has Barry Soetoro refused to cough it up for more than a year now?

Was he waiting for better-counterfeited documentation to be slipped into the right places so that his puppets in Honolulu can now back him up with less fear of getting indicted along with him?

I'm sure that if you'd been alive back when those 18 minutes had turned up missing in Nixon's tape archive, you'd certainly have said “Damn. That's funny….” and suspected that Slippery Dick was lying through his dentures.

But, hey, he was a White guy.

And you're such a racist


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:39 am

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”

Damn, that is funny. You do have a point. But comb your hair differently and no one will notice.


ynot4tony2
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:40 am

If Hillary's people didn't find the dirt during the primaries, then the dirt doesn't exist.

Fellow conservatives who still cling to the birther conspiracy…STOP! Aside from allowing the cut'n'paste media to lump all conservatives in with you nutjobs, you're wasting your time an efforts.

Focus on the 2010 and 2012 elections, or be prepared for at least 8 years of full Democratic rule.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:45 am

Yep. Guess Dr. Fukino's probably got “cover” now. Didn't say that last year. Says it now. So what's changed in the state of Hawaii's archives, I wonder?

Wonderful resources come into the control of a Chicago machine politician when he's sitting in that big chair behind the Resolute desk.

But it sure took your Mombasa Messiah long enough – and tons of money illegally pulled from his campaign contributions for shysters to procedurally deflect all those court cases aimed at catching him bare-assed – to “sterilize” the records to the point at which his fellow Boot-On-Your-Neck Party colleagues in the Congress and in the Hawaii state government were willing to come in with him and give him the cover he so desperately needs right now.

So you want all this to “just go away,” don'tcha, Geek? Aw, how cute!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:51 am

Nah. If The Woman With One Eyebrow had figured she could make political hay out of Barry Soetoro's Scarlet Pimpernel secret identity issues without alienating her “Liberal” lunatic “Minorities! I just love minorities! Look, I'm lubricating just thinking about minorities!” base, that's when she would've whacked him with it.

Y'see her problem there? And you “conservatives” in any way, in any form, TRUST the discretion of Hillary to police the probity of her fellow socialists on your behalf?

Gad. “Why I Am Not a Conservative” by Friedrich von Hayek (1960), addendum….


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:53 am

The state of Hawaii has the last word on this thanks to the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. The state of Hawaii has spoken. Barack Hussein Obama II is a natural-born citizen according to them. You're just mad that you have no argument left. But do please keep it up. We need this distraction in order to pass Obamacare in the U.S.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:03 am

Well, Stanley Ann Dunham may have had her first period in Hawaii, but there's still plenty of reasons to keep under consideration her first parturition having occurred in the Coast Provincial General Hospital in lovely downtown Mombasa, Kenya.

According to Barry Soetoro, America's 57th state.

I'm with you on all the rest of the socialist horror that our Kenyan Keynesian is ramming up the nation's deposition – “Cap and Trade, health care under gov't control, taking over private business (GM & Chrysler) and generally having no way to pay for any of this which means HUGE tax increases are coming” – but as long as it is joyfully possible to call into question our Fraudulence-in-Chief's lawful qualification to be squatting on the presidential dunny just off the Oval Office, what's your problem?

Counting on the Republicans (what vanishingly few of them are, or ever were “conservative”) to frontally oppose the steamroller of tyranny that Barry Soetoro is steering over this country and its people is like faith in the Tooth Fairy, JD. Might be comforting, but is it realistic?

Nah. I'm one of those who believes in hitting the enemy wherever and however he might be even in the least bit vulnerable. This is not a Marquis of Queensbury rules situation, JD. If I can get a knee into Barry's nuts and then break his neck with a brick (figuratively, stevie! only figuratively), I'll do it in a heartbeat.

What, you wouldn't?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:13 am

Nah. Even were that the case (and we've got a cover-up as extensive and as carefully forged as Nixon's had been), and there are some several Hawaii state government bureaucrats now breathing sighs of relief as the gaze fondly down upon credible forgeries cranked out by competent fabricators payroll'd out of “black” (by which is meant “secret,” you racist!) Presidential discretionary funds instead of the ludicrous crap churned out by those ACORN goofballs in Chicago last year, with enough application and good old American stick-to-it-iveness, the putrefaction underneath your Mombasa Messiah's glossy facade will come out.

Jeez, geekster, but isn't he hiding just too friggin' much to keep all of it shoved down the Memory Hole? Somebody in his Ministry of Truth is gonna slip eventually. It's a statistical unity.

I'm wondering when the Vegas bookies will start taking bets on what number is gonna be stenciled on Barry's jumpsuit when they run him through intake at Leavenworth….


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:50 am

No, he's not hiding anything more than any previous president. In fact, he's put out more than any previous president. What other president in U.S. history has ever published a copy of his birth certificate for the public to see? But do go on, I find your flailing around in the face of rock-solid evidence to be quite entertaining.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:59 am

Not much more than Nixon was “hiding anything.” Turns out that when the 20/20 retrospectoscope is turned on any of our recent chief magistrates – especially FDR and thence forward – we find that there was plenty of filth just barely concealed in their backgrounds and actions by which they could've been halted in their unconstitutional viciousnesses.

A lesson from the past for us to benefit by in the here-and-now.

Barry Soeotoro is a criminal awaiting arrest, indictment, conviction, incarceration, and sodomization. Why wait a moment to take advantage of the gifts of culpability he presents so profiligately?


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 4:03 am

Yes, because if one president was a criminal, that means another president must also be a criminal, right? Goddamn you're hilarious.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 4:31 am

Nah, geek. Just that the fact that a friggin' crook wins a big, gaudy, “If voting could change anything, they'd make it illegal” popularity contest doesn't mean he's not a friggin' crook.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 4:38 am

Doesn't mean he is, either. Got any proof that he is?


neilends
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 5:01 am

JD, to be very honest with you, there are Democrats like myself who are very happy to see the GOP distracted by this laughable issue. In other words, I completely agree with you, and yet the fact that you and I agree is the same fact that underlies my belief that the longer this issue sticks around, the better off Obama is. That's politics I guess.


Not Believable
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 7:45 am

“The problem with this? Parents and relatives don’t, and didn’t, get to place birth announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. As a Star-Bulletin employee explained to WorldNetDaily, the editors “print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System,” and did so in 1961.”

That's odd…the newspaper spokesman also said, “”We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System,”

So…I guess no engagements? No deaths? No anniversaries? No awards?

If you have a beater sitting on your lawn in Honolulu that you want to unload you have to wait until someone from the state notices it and sends it in? Need a dishwasher? Sorry, you just have to wait until someone from the state finds out and tells the newspapers…FLASH!

There's nobody that actually had to arrange the info on their classified pages…just gets magically done when the state OK's it?

Small town newspapers will print birth announcements from proud grandparents even if the actual birth happened somewhere else. If they call up, do these papers tell them to get lost?

What is this, the Hawaii Fascist Times? Or just what it seems…total garbage.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

In a message dated 7/27/2009 9:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

“African” wouldn’t be in the slot for “Race of Father” or whatever, but
rather “Negro.”

Who says? You? Hawaii’s officials have said that they allowed the person to
state his or her race and entered whatever he or she said.

Also, what the heck does this have to do with the place of birth, which is
Hawaii. Hawaii has said again today that there is an original birth
certificate, and since Hawaii did not accept foreign birth certificates to file in
1961, it must be a Hawaii birth certificate. There is not the slightest
proof that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii. His Kenyan grandmother
said that he was born in Hawaii. This confirms that he was born in Hawaii.

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bailintheboat
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 11:23 am

Perhaps if Obama acted like an American you wouldn't have half the population dumbfounded that he could actually have been born or raised here.


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neilends
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:26 pm

Ann Dunham, a white woman from Kansas, was living comfortably in Honolulu at the time of his birth. The evidence you have to support the claim that she mysteriously flew halfway around the world (putting herself and her fetus at great risk) to Mombasa, Kenya at some unknown date for some unknown reason for an unspecified length of time where she gave birth to her son at an unknown hospital on an unknown date and time is: zero. You have none.

The one piece of evidence you do purportedly have is the so-called transcript of a conversation with Obama's 86-year old non-English speaking step-grandmother. A transcript in which she makes it abundantly clear, on 4 or 5 occasions during the conversation, that “Obama was born in America.”

Continue chasing your windmill.


citizenship
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

It’s interesting that Obama was born the day before the Nordyke twins were born, supposedly at the same hospital, yet the number on Obama’s birth certificate is a later number than the numbers on the Nordyke certificates.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/assets/gif/M1…

http://freecharlotte.files.wordpress.com/2008/1…


citizenship
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

“In November 2008, The Advertiser reported that the first published mention of the future president appeared in a Sunday Advertiser birth announcement that ran on Aug. 13, 1961:

'Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.'

The identical announce- ment ran the following day in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin.

Birthers wave off those birth announcements, saying that Obama family members 48 years ago could have phoned in false information to both newspapers.

Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public but by the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, Okubo said.

Birth announcements from the public ran elsewhere in both papers and usually included information such as the newborn's name, weight and time of birth.”

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090…


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christinemmccurdy
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

If you don't understand propaganda, read up on the history of Tokyo Rose. Check out information on the Nazi propaganda machine during WWII, as well as how future suicide bombers have been, since toddlers, indoctrinated into how America is “The Great Satan.” Propaganda operates like this: Tell people something (lies), emphatically enough, hard enough, and keep ramming home your point about any particular thing long enough, and eventually, you will sway a great many of them into believing that the lie is in fact, the truth. This is basically what the “Birthers” are doing with the invented question of the location of Obama's birth. Those who spread propaganda, will continue to do so even in the face of evidence to the contrary, simply because to do so fulfills their own personal agenda(s). After a while of course, people like Rush Limbaugh eventually become white noise, but they will never stop trying to muddy-up the truth because if successful in doing so, it will benefit them. Period.


reflex23
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 4:18 am

why doesn't Obama just show the REAL actual birth certificate? wont this put an end to the debate? seems such a simple way to answer this once and for all….why spend money on attorneys to fight the release of the certificate if it will prove his citizenship?


Paul
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 7:25 am

Tuci78 admits that his goal is to fight dirty. You act as if a born liar can be reasoned into truthfulness. But he has been quite explicit about the fact that he is willing to sell his integrity and thereby his soul in order to impugn Obama.

I wouldn't waste time with him.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 7:38 am

How like an Obamaphile to confuse means with goals. No, Paulie, my “goal” is constitutional government, potentially accessible by way of the strict enforcement of the Bill of Rights.

Part of what must be done to achieve this goal is the extirpation of your Alinsky-fellating, Davis-indoctrinated, ACORN-trained “poverty pimp” thug of a socialist, America-hating, abandoned-by-his-parents, Annenberg-Foundation-supported, half-White, much-Arab-slave-trader, bitty-bit-Luo-tribesman faux “Black” sad sack of shit masquerading as President of these United States and systematically destroying the economy, the currency, and the populace of these United States.

Merely means to an end, Paulie. Means to an end.

What integrity I have – and, yes, I know that's an alien concept to you True Believer worshipers of your Mombasa Messiah and the water he walks upon – is invested in the integrity of that charter of government you, dear little socialist, would use to wipe your shitty ass if you thought you could get past the guards and smash it out of its case.

So that being the case, what's bugging you?

See http://colony14.net/id41.html why don'tcha? Damn, but that guy Fredrick writes like he's drafting a manuscript for submission to peer review. You don't like that, Paulie?

Yeah, I kinda figured that. Tch.


hcv
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Okay, I actually thought you were serious until I saw this post; now I realize this is actually the work of someone carrying off a parody of the most batshit insane things anyone has ever said in the service of political smearing. Kudos.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Tsk. Well, the reception of one's literary style is always determined by the reader's subjective predispositions.

Did you know that “hcv” – or, more correctly, “HCV” – is the acronym for “Hepatitis C Virus,” a deadly pathogen responsible for most of the primary liver cancer seen in these United States?

I can't see your handle, I'm afraid, without thinking of patients dying in fulminant hepatic failure. Ugly….


opendna
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 9:07 am

Your goal is libel.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 9:17 am

Nah. As a Prominent, your Marxist Mahdi is a public figure – one who has decidedly put himself “on the griddle.” I'm just slapping on the barbecue sauce, turning up the heat, and trying to see that all the Salmonella he's soaked with get thoroughly cooked out.

Now your goal, little schmucklet, is the tyrannous suborning of the U.S. Constitution, and that's treason.

What part of “all enemies, foreign and domestic” don't you get, chuckles? Nobody swears to uphold and defend a blatantly corrupt Cook County machine politician with undenied ties to a criminal conspiracy called ACORN and absolutely no bona fides ever shown that he was even qualified to run in the National Socialist Party primaries.

Except you and your fellow Obamaphiles, perhaps?

What, you pledge allegiance to your Messiah, and to the 57th State – beautiful Kenya – in which he'd been born?


opendna
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 9:49 am

Your theory is so complicated that you don't recognize a co-conspirator when you're taking to one? Not even when you've accused them personally of felonies? Keep notes or something, man. You've lost the plot and it's embarrassing.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Ooh, cool. Now the Obamaphiles appear to realize that aiding their Mombasa Messiah in his myriad fraudulences implicates them as conspirators in his felonies.

Hey, I'll go with that.

You get that in your daily email push to “left-wing bloggers” from Messiah Central, poopsie?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Er, 'cause showing “the REAL actual birth certificate” (the print-on-paper, signed and sealed Hawaii state Certification of Live Birth supposedly issued to “Barack Hussein Obama II” in 2007 and from which it is alleged that those FactCheck and DailyKos computer graphic images had [in your dreams, stevie!] been scanned in June 2008) would demonstrate that Barry Soetoro wasn't born in Honolulu, that the “Father's Race” slot doesn't read “African,” and perhaps even that the name under which the Messiah's records are kept in the Hawaiian state government archives really is “Barry Soetoro.”

Jeez, reflex. Cop a clue. If Barry's real “birth certificate” could've gotten his narrow Cook County criminal ass out of this crack, his handlers would've put it up in front of a judge or taken some such similar action a couple of years ago.


reflex23
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

I agree… Tuci78…that is exactly the point…if he was legit and wanted to put this debate to rest…he simply shows his real birth certificate. The fact that he wont…well..that answers the question too…there is obviously something he wants to hide.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

I'm told that the legal phrase is res judicata – sort of like “the thing adjudicated,” settled by considered judicial opinion leaving all similar legal proceedings in other courts effectively dismissed with prejudice.

You ever wonder why an ACORN Alinsky “community organizer” (commonly known as a “poverty pimp”) decided to specialize in constitutional law after getting Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour to churn up the money needed to pay his way through Harvard Law?

I mean, you'd think that such a “community organizer” would've turned his attention to family law or some similar area of concentration, wouldn't you?

Well, it's pretty clear to see that he was “looking for loopholes” long before he got the notion to join the shysterate.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 10:27 am

Hm? So you’re supposed to be the “Jay McKinnon, who describes himself as a ‘Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist‘” who’d been working for the Obama campaign and who had been credited as the creator of the fabricated computer graphic images alleged to have been scanned from a COLB issued by the state of Hawaii to “Barack Hussein Obama II” in 2007?

Well, nice to see ya (in the figurative sense). You want to contact this guy Fredrick at colony14@gmail.com or something? If you’ve got a bone to pick with his work, you’re wasting your time whining at me.

And to you Obamaphile slugs it’s always about “race,” ain’t it? Don’t you clowns ever get tired of that Johnny-One-Note routine?

Cop a clue, kid. The Woman With One Eyebrow is not my pick as proctor of the probity of your Mombasa Messiah. Given my druthers, I prefer Thomas Sowell or Thomas DiLorenzo or Walter Williams or Walter Block.

No National Socialist Party hacks desired, thanks.


opendna
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 10:14 am

“Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice.”

….And here I am.

You repeatedly wrote that I (personally) am guilty of counterfeiting. Let's see your evidence, Jack. Evidence and statute to support your claims. If you have neither then you're guilty of defamation per se in the form of libel, which is to say that you have written opinions so foul about a private citizen that your words aren't protected by the 1st Amendment.

I thought you might actually have something new to trot out, but I'm beginning to suspect that you're just another “Copy-Paste Conservative” regurgitating from White Supremacist websites (i.e. Molotov Mitchell) without realizing that the material was authored by Hillary Clinton fanatics over a year ago.

Clenis is back, Jack, and he got inside your head. Again.


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Randwulf
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

Here, in the link below, is ONE VERY GOOD REASON to believe that the announcement was just plain wrong or misleading. At least, a lie by omission. She was giving birth on that day and she may have had a residence in Hawaii as noted in the announcement but she was somewhere else when the blessed event of the “messiah's” birth occurred. Oh and this looks like a long form. The type that would have been produced by AKA Obama a long time ago, if only it said Honolulu instead of Mombasa. So what it looks like we have here is a half-African child, born to an under-aged mother (statutory rape victim?) and a foreign father, in an African hospital. Natural-born American citizen? I think not.

http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama-kenyan-birth-ce...

So check it out. Where is the Hawaiian original? Still being aged to perfection by the very best document forgery experts that the former Communist Bloc ever produced. But what about the serial number problem. Who did the bump, to slip AKA in there?

Oh and that part about the newspaper only printing announcements when the state gives them the information……What about the Nordyke twins? The state just forgot to send that information over to the newspapers I suppose. BULLSHIT. The Nordykes just didn't call in the announcement.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

Or the Nordykes did call in the announcement and the microfiche records were altered with them being taken out and AKA Obama's put in and then the originals destroyed. Kind of like those hackers breaking into the passport records for AKA last year. Who knows what was changed there. They guy who knew the most about it was found dead in his car with a gunshot wound to the head. Starting to sound like the Clinton legacy, huh?


David Simmons
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Yeah, that thing is so totally legit. Completely NOT a forgery. Except that pretty much everything on it is wrong, and provably false, and forged by someone without any idea what they are doing. But other than that, yeah, totally true.

You birther conspiracy nuts really are an amusing combination of crazy AND stupid. Believing *anything* that a Russian-born combination Dentist/Lawyer/Real Estate agent says? crazy. Following her as your 'leader'? Stupid. Priceless, too.

Here. On the off-chance you have the ability to read through your drool:

1. Says “Republic of Kenya” but is dated February 1964. Kenya did
not become a republic until 12 December 1964. Ooops.

2. The document is dated 5 August 1964 — a Saturday. From what I
can find, Kenyan guvmint offices close early on Friday and are
closed on Saturdays. Oooops.

3. And did you notice the document file number at the top of the
page? 47,044. Obama is 47 years old and is the 44th president.

4. Check out the name on the certificate, Signature of Registrar:
E. F. Lavender. E. F. Lavender is a common soap in Kenya. Heh, heh.

5. This piece of paper certainly looks nice and new to be 45 years
old — unless the Kenyans were using acid-free paper back in
1964. Heh, heh.

6. Finally, Officials of Coast Province General Hospital reported:
“We do not have computerized records going back to the 1960’s
and can only sort through our archives by hand,” Dr. Christopher
Mwanga, an administrator at the Mombasa hospital tells GLOBE.
“We have searched for all the names of babies born on Aug. 4,
1961, and have not found the name of Barack Hussein Obama. That
is all I can tell you.”


Randwulf
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

I'll try to stop my drooling long enough to waste time going down your list. Why are you guys always with the personal insults and comments? Is that really necessary?

1. Says “Republic of Kenya” but is dated February 1964. Kenya did
not become a republic until 12 December 1964. Ooops.

Wrong! Declared independence on 12 Dec 1963 and known as Republic of Kenya thereafter. OOOPS!

2. The document is dated 5 August 1964 — a Saturday. From what I
can find, Kenyan guvmint offices close early on Friday and are
closed on Saturdays. Oooops.

Wrong! Certification “given” date was Feb. 17, 1964. A Monday. OOOPS!

3. And did you notice the document file number at the top of the
page? 47,044. Obama is 47 years old and is the 44th president.

Well, let's just go look at those pages but if you are into coincidental numerology, here is one you will like:

The Certificate Number on AKA's “Factcheck” “COLB” is: 151 1961 010641
Now pay attention here.
151 + 1961 + 010641 = 12753
Now add up the individual digits….
1 + 2 + 7 + 5 + 3 = 18
You know what that means?
18 = 6 + 6 + 6 That's right! 666!
Oh yes, we definitely need to check the numbers. Should I say OOOPS or Heh, heh?

4. Check out the name on the certificate, Signature of Registrar:
E. F. Lavender. E. F. Lavender is a common soap in Kenya. Heh, heh.

Maybe he owned the soap company. HEE HEE HAH HAH HO HO

5. This piece of paper certainly looks nice and new to be 45 years
old — unless the Kenyans were using acid-free paper back in
1964. Heh, heh.

It looks just like my original (which I have) from 1955. (Oh I forgot.) Heh, heh.

6. Finally, Officials of Coast Province General Hospital reported:
“We do not have computerized records going back to the 1960’s
and can only sort through our archives by hand,” Dr. Christopher
Mwanga, an administrator at the Mombasa hospital tells GLOBE.
“We have searched for all the names of babies born on Aug. 4,
1961, and have not found the name of Barack Hussein Obama. That
is all I can tell you.”

That is the Hawaiian FUKIMO duckout. The Kenyans are now going to be doing the same thing. I remember when the Kenyan government issued a gag order preventing Obama relatives from speaking with reporters and stated that BHO's Kenyan records were sealed. What records would there have been to seal? Oh, I know what they will say next. Wild hyenas got into the record vault and ate Obama's birth certificate. (The east African version of “the dog ate it”). Kind of like what the Hawaiians will be saying next. Can't you just hear those paper shredders humming?


David Simmons
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/a55601dee1/ang… Yeah, that's *really* what you guys look and sound like to normal people.


David Simmons
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

This is their leader. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32274609# nuff said.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Yes, well, we all know that there have NEVER been ANY nutcases on the liberal left wing scene. Right? Right. I know this is going to sound over-the-freakin-top insane but really, If Obama is legitimately holding the office of POTUS, he should have no trouble using HIS INFLUENCE to get the State of Hawaii to break with their silly little state records policy and release HIS copy of one of these original certificates like the one for this guy named Alan, a male child, born in the US Army hospital in Honolulu in 1963 (two years after Obama, so we know they were still issuing these at that time). Alan has one! I guess the PRESIDENT could ask for and get a copy if he wanted to. Then all the “crazy birthers” would see it and most would accept it, if it were examined say, on the floor of the US Senate by a forensics team put together by a bi-partisan committee and seen to be genuine. So, in case you can't understand what type of document I am referring to, just go to this link:

http://www.gopmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/hawai....

Look at the picture there. You see the original, long form, Hawaiian birth certifiCATE there. That is what a real birth certifiCATE looks like. Hospital name. Doctor's name. Everything to show that ALAN was born on US soil of two citizens of the US. Where is Obama's? If he wants to prove he was born in Hawaii, he needs to show his original of this form. Never going to happen. Is it?


Randwulf
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Yeah, she's freakin balmy! She probably went nuts trying to get Obama to release one of these

http://www.gopmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/hawai...

with HIS name on it and she could never do it.


Randwulf
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

This is what most people would like to see Obama produce. Only HIS, not Alan's.

http://www.gopmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/hawai...

Yes. I know. It's just crazy.


fatch
Comment posted August 6, 2009 @ 7:06 am

why are there no pictures of these announcments, no actual wording? if you saw them where arer they, no where on the net just talk produce the information.Not CLB pictures of the announcements


oahu1961
Comment posted January 25, 2010 @ 3:03 pm

People that were not born in Hawaii, e.g. the majority of so-called journalists, have no business commenting on something they know very little about; however, when has that ever stopped them? The controversy will not go away until the long form is produced. The short form document posted online claiming to be proof of President Obama's Hawaiian birth raises more questions than it answers. Not only that, but it doesn't look like mine (he was born 4 months after I was) and I'm not talking about the details that get filled in, I'm talking about the form itself. State forms are standard and should be ~exactly~ the same. Not similar, not approximately, not somewhat or kind of… **exactly** the same. I honestly don't know what the truth is, but “something's rotten in Denmark.”


RedGraham
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 2:33 am

Yesterday…”We all had to bring our birth certificates to show we were who we said we were, and we were the age we said we were, to play football in youth sports,” said Hayworth, who is currently challenging John McCain (R-AZ) in Arizona's Senate primary. “Shouldn't we know exactly that anyone who wants to run for public office is a natural born citizen of the United States, and is who they say they are?”
Later in the segment, which aired Tuesday night on MSNBC's Hardball, Hayworth said the responsibility for producing evidence should fall directly on Obama.
“I'm just saying the president should come forward with the information, that's all.


Palin4Prez
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 3:51 am

The “birth certificate” Obama mentions on page 26 of “Dreams of My Father” would prove conclusively exactly where he was born. Perhaps it is the “source document” some Hawaiian official claims is on file in Honolulu(?). The college records would verify which citizenship Obama/Soetoro/Saetoro carried into adulthood. However whatever words are on those documents the mere fact Obama's father was a Kenyan-Brit/transient-alien precludes Obama from meeting the natural-born citizen requirement set forth by the framers of the Constitution. He shouldn't have been allowed on the ballots & now each state should review their ballot access regulations and prevent this illegal-alien from ever running for office again.


David
Comment posted January 27, 2010 @ 11:53 am

Orly, you little minx you! It has to be you, since no one even remotely sane believes this crap anymore … and your correspondence-school law degree is showing again, since even a cracker-jack-box law degree recipient would understand that citizenship is conveyed by the mother, not the father, so the Sr. Obama's Kenyan citizenship is not an issue.

We're sorry you don't have any *actual* college records to show yourself, but pounding your feet demanding President Obama's school records is just silly. Of course, Senator-elect Brown from MA has yet to produce HIS birth certificate either, so I hope you'll go demand that immediately to save him from embarrassment. We'd also love to see Ms. Palin's but understand that getting all those records from so many different 3rd-rate schools is tough. But good luck.


RedGraham
Comment posted January 30, 2010 @ 2:24 am

THIS JUST IN AP- WASHINGTON D.C. – In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the college. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.
To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.


David
Comment posted January 30, 2010 @ 12:40 pm

Nice try, but that is, as is the rest of this, complete and utter bullshit. It has been thoroughly debunked, but don't let that stop you from believing it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/o…

Must be fun living in a fact-free world.


David
Comment posted January 30, 2010 @ 5:40 pm

Nice try, but that is, as is the rest of this, complete and utter bullshit. It has been thoroughly debunked, but don't let that stop you from believing it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/o…

Must be fun living in a fact-free world.


Paul M.
Comment posted July 8, 2010 @ 2:36 pm

Has it ever occurred to any of you left-wing morons, that all the obamessiah has to do to effectively shut-down this debate is to produce a valid long-form birth-certificate?


davidgs
Comment posted July 8, 2010 @ 2:39 pm

Has it ever occurred to any of your birther nitwits that the Birth Certificate produced by Obama is sufficient? Has it ever occurred to any of you to simply STFU since you haven't a clue about what your blathering?


HC Visigoth
Comment posted July 9, 2010 @ 5:06 am

He has shown a valid birth certificate, which has effectively shut down the debate. If you give the news a quick scan, you'll find that the election results have been approved by Congress and Obama has been sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and has been the President of the United States for a little while now. That'd pretty much be “end of debate” to most reasonable people.

Now it is true that the debate rages on here, if by “rages” you mean “ad hominem attack added to this thread every five months or so.” Yet, somehow, the Union survives.


Polarik
Comment posted September 1, 2010 @ 9:42 pm

It is PATENTLY FALSE that parents or grandparents could not place birth announcements in the Advertiser/Star Bulletin (THEY SHARED THEIR CLASSIFIED ADVERTISING).

Absolutely UNTRUE! I spoke with the Advertising Sales Manager at the StarBulletin and he told me they phoned them in all of the time.

Anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or ignorant. Do you really think that either paper would only list hospital births filing certificates?

Hospital births are the only ones required by Hawaiian Law to be registered within 10 days. Births outside of the ONLY TWO hospitals in Honolulu were also registered, anywere from the date of birth up to one year afterwards.

Guess where most of the births took place in 1961.


Stoplying
Comment posted December 14, 2010 @ 11:38 pm

You are lying. They get the info from the DOH.


Deg49
Comment posted December 14, 2010 @ 11:39 pm

Hawaii examined it and said it was valid.


davidgs
Comment posted December 15, 2010 @ 12:06 am

Again, has it ever occurred to any of you birther douchebags to just SFTU? All you have to do to effectively shut down this debate is shut your whore mouth. The idea that his parents would try to falsify a US birth is WAY harder to believe than just about any other explanation. They would go to all the trouble to phone the birth announcement in (from Kenya? Where phones were so plentiful and international calls so cheap in 1961) and then get a US Birth Certificate that passes muster with the State of Hawaii? Riiiight. Makes perfect sense.

For that matter, I never saw George W. Bush’s long-form birth certificate, or Cheney’s, and I’m pretty sure there’s adequate evidence that they grew from spores, so show me that!

Gawd you birthers are dumb as a bag of hair.


iris behr
Comment posted December 16, 2010 @ 3:06 am

what is wrong with these Birthers? I mean, I’ve met some DUMB people but this lot take the prize !


Anonymous
Comment posted December 16, 2010 @ 7:34 am

They’re not dumb, they’re willfully dishonest.


Mcrocker007
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

I assure you dick cheney or bush would have produced one. Why wont your boy Obama produce one? Answer: He doesnt have one. Anybody that did would want to shut everyone and pull it out in an instant. You are the dumb one


Mcrocker007
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

really? Now the examiner says it was fake. Keep up with the news


Mcrocker007
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 2:41 pm

He showed a short form copy. No long form. Dont mislead people


Mcrocker007
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 2:42 pm

and you do??????


Mcrocker007
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 2:43 pm

This is exactly why he had all his records closed. You dont close records unless there is something in them you dont want out!


Mcrocker007
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 2:44 pm

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mcrocker007
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 2:48 pm

we will laugh when it is shown you to be of little intelligence


Tucci78
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 3:02 pm

Oh, hell no. All that anybody has had out of our Mamzer-in-chief have been computer graphic images (JPG files) – allegedly scanned and posted online without modification – of a certification of live birth (COLB) purportedly issued by the government of the state of Hawaii in 2007.

You got that? No physical document – print-on-checksafe-paper, signed and sealed with the appropriate embossed stamp – has ever been put before a judge, or into the hands of a qualified physical documents examiners. The only people who had ever claimed to have handled that substitute for a real long-form birth certificate in 2008 were the minions of the Obama Campaign and the functionaries of the partisan left-wing Annenberg Foundation bullpuckey-peddlers at FactCheck.org.

None of these are objectively reliable witnesses, nor are they capable of offering testimony under oath as to the provenance and validity even of that extremely dubious 2007 COLB.

Approval of the 2008 election results by Congress does not absolve our Maximum Fraudulence of those “high crimes and misdemeanors” upon which this criminal must be excised from the body politic like the cancer he truly is.


Tucci78
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

Nah. First, your Mombasa Messiah has not “produced” anything. You got that? As in “not one goddam thing” in the way of legal documentation such as is required (for instance) to renew a private citizen’s driver’s license in many states.

That Hawaii certification of live birth (COLB) issued in 2007 might – might – serve such a purpose if it were to be handed physically to the DMV clerk with it’s print-on-checksafe-paper character visibly intact, with the appropriate signature(s) and the embossed seal of the state government unmarred.

But JPG images of that alleged document?

You gotta be kidding, right? Or just pushing the proverbial “Big Lie” you fascisti love so much.


davidgs
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 4:47 pm

Rule #1 of insulting someone’s intelligence: The insult should at least be a coherent sentence. “when it is shown you to be of little intelligence” does not qualify as even remotely coherent.


davidgs
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

Keep in mind, boy-genius, that The Shrub sealed his college records and refused to release them as well.

And for the record, there is no law, regulation, etc. anywhere that states that because his father was not a US citizen, he isn’t. He was born here, he’s a citizen. Period.

Damn but you’re stupid. Funny as hell to watch froth at the mouth like a rabid squirrel, but nuttier than squirrel shit as well.


davidgs
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

Keep in mind, boy-genius, that The Shrub sealed his college records and refused to release them as well.

And for the record, there is no law, regulation, etc. anywhere that states that because his father was not a US citizen, he isn’t. He was born here, he’s a citizen. Period.

Damn but you’re stupid. Funny as hell to watch froth at the mouth like a rabid squirrel, but nuttier than squirrel shit as well.


davidgs
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 4:56 pm

So you think he should mail a certified copy to every sack of nuts like you that wants to see it physically? Riiiiight. That’s totally reasonable.

Every court before which this nonsense has come has thrown it out as patently ridiculous. Republican judges. Democratic Judges. Every. Last. One. But you wingnuts keep yelling about it. You”re fun to laugh at.


Tucci78
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 5:04 pm

Nope. Various officers of the government of the state of Hawaii have issued carefully worded press releases and similar statements – none of which were given under oath, you’ll note – which could not possibly be interpreted in a court of law as giving acceptable evidence that your beloved Alien Invader first sucked air anywhere other than in his native Mombasa.

Barry Soetoro (who never did take legal action to change his name back to “Obama” after having been adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia) is certainly not your average Born-in-the-USA American. He bounced all to hellangone over the globe, both in utero and after having been whelped in the Coast Provincial General Hospital in sunny East Africa.

Having such an extraordinary personal history, it is reasonable indeed that extraordinary steps be taken to validate the provenance of Barry’s life. This is one of the reasons why an increasing majority of Americans are very, very interested in Barry’s Kindergarten records – also college records, law school transcripts and student publications written as editor of Harvard’s Law Review (if any; the bastich didn’t seem to do any work whatsoever in that post, did he?), lists of his clients while practicing as a shyster in Illinois, and a whole buncha other stuff – as well as his birth certificate.

All this “man of mystery” stuff is like that proverbial dead mackerel on the beach at moonlight. It shines – and stinks.

And with every passing day, Barry just reeks a little more.

Hm. What’s that they say about the fish rotting from the head down?


hcv
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 5:49 pm

He showed exactly the document the State of Hawaii provides to any citizen requesting certified proof of birth. There is no mechanism by which one can request or obtain a different document, long, medium or short.

By doing so, he provided more documentation of his birth in public form than any presidential candidate has in the history of the country.

The document that he showed certifies that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. This verifies that he is a natural born citizen. Any other document or material is superfluous.

This documented was accepted by friend and foe.

Any further documentation is not needed by anyone who accepts his citizenship, and would not be sufficient for anyone who does not. Thus, his providing any further proof would be a waste of everyone’s time.

He’s the president. He’s a black Democrat, and he’s president. Deal with it.


hcv
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 6:00 pm

“the examiner” ? What are you talking about? Not the wingnut who claimed he had a position with the state of Hawaii that he did not actually hold, I hope.


HC Visigoth
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 6:03 pm

He did not have “all his records closed.” There is no proactive step the president (the black Democrat one, by the way — enjoy!) has taken to “close” his records.


davidgs
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 7:15 pm

Please provide evidence, from birth to now, that you were not grown from a spore and are actually an intelligent life-form with higher reasoning skills than bacteria. So far, you have provided no evidence that you are anything but a culture of cells formed into a glob.

You were grown from spores. There is no evidence to the contrary. You have never provided intelligent reasoning, so please provide all of your records, from kindergarten to the present, to prove that you can read and write and add 2 and 2 successfully.

Keep in mind that John “Get Off My Lawn!!” McCain was not born in the USA, and bounced all to hellandgone, as you put it, throughout his life. So by your reasoning, he is not a US Citizen either.

But please, keep frothing. You’re hilarious to watch.


HC Visigoth
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 7:16 pm

Well, no. As you say, he has made the certified (raised seal) document available for inspection and handling. Sorry he missed you, but you were probably busy that day anyway.

Do you, by the way, know who the Annenbergs of the Annenberg Foundation are? Not exactly bomb-throwing radical leftists. Walter and Lee Annenberg held positions in the Nixon and Reagan administrations, respectively.

The raised seal document, again, is the only document one may request from the state as certified proof of date and location of birth. There is no other form — long, medium, or short — one may request. If Obama did dust off the birth certificate mentioned in his book and present it, it would in fact be *less* proof in the eyes of the law, as it would not be a certified document.

The document Obama produced — and to my knowledge, he is the only candidate for president that has ever produced such a document — is the same document that would be used in any situation where proof of birth is considered critical, such as applying for a passport. (There is of course no part of the Constitution or any other law that says what sufficient proof for a Presidential candidate’s natural born citizenship would be, but this would certainly seem to be it.)

This document has been declared to be authentic, several times, by the Hawaii government. Why members of a GOP-led state government, including the governor, would risk prison to validate a Democratic candidate has never been adequately theorized. Why none of Obama’s opponents have leveraged this has never been explained away. Heck, why hasn’t Wikileaks, Drudge, or, well, Smoking Gun produced a smoking gun?

The idea that the Democratic party would condone such hijinks to promote this particular candidate has also never been explained. “Hey, there’s this guy who’s black and whose name sounds like two of the US’ sworn enemies rolled into one — what say we dump the popular former First Lady and form a felonious conspiracy to put this sure-fire winner in the running!”

But aside from not one shred of proof, not one shred of motive, or, apparently one shred of sanity, I think you’ve got a case here.


HC Visigoth
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 7:29 pm

It’s entirely possible that he has presented physical copies of the certified document to someone in authority. The fact that no one in authority — and again, the authorities here would be part of a GOP Federal administration at the time, or any of several GOP-led states, or a national party with a vested interest in running a valid candidate — the fact that no one has said “hey, yeah, where *was* the document?” speaks to the fact that reasonable, sane people have either seen it, or know that this is not an issue.

You may want to consider that prior to his candidacy, Obama was a member of the (GOP-chaired) US Senate committee for foreign relationship, a position that would have required access to highly confidential documents. One would again assume that when he was vetted for the requisite clearances, proof of his identity, including hisCOLB, would have been part of the process.

“Mombasa Messiah” ? “Fascisti” ? Nice.


HC Visigoth
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 7:36 pm

Parse this:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai?i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf


HC Visigoth
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 7:45 pm

I just noticed what I said here — five months ago, and here we go again.

Do you guys have some calendar reminder set up, or does it have something to do with when your med supplies run out?


davidgs
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

I was thinking the same thing Visigoth … Though I’m pretty sure that there are not enough psychotropic drugs — let alone strong enough ones — to combat the psychosis of Tucci. He doesn’t have issues. He has a full subscription.


HC Visigoth
Comment posted December 20, 2010 @ 8:33 pm

Yuh huh. Read all about it.

http://amfoi.wordpress.com/

If you’re too lazy to click on the link: the alleged “THIS JUST IN AP” story — and I know this will come as a shock — is a fake. Fakey McFakester. Fakearoony. Not real. No such group. No such transcripts. No such financial aid.

In other news: black guy still president.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 21, 2010 @ 10:58 am

Do you believe that the State Department issues US passports based on JPEGs of birth certificates? If not, how do you explain the many photos of the President overseas, both before and after his election?

res ipsa loquitur


Hostilemass
Comment posted December 28, 2010 @ 6:03 am

Don’t you think he may have had to show some kind of proof of his citizenship just to become a UNITED STATES SENATOR?? Anyone have any questions then??


Bongo21
Comment posted December 28, 2010 @ 6:40 pm

If all it takes to shut all the people up is a single piece of paper then what’s the big deal? Why are you so vile in your comments. I could care less about this subject, but if I could produce this highly sought after document and end the discussion, I would!


Dave
Comment posted December 28, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

Correct. That’s what mine looked like when I ordered it. (I’m from Hawaii).


Dave
Comment posted December 28, 2010 @ 11:50 pm

It looks exactly like mine and I was born in Hawaii (a few years after the Prez). Maybe they changed the forms a bit between when you got your copy and when he got his copy. Forms (even government forms) do change from time to time and what they release is a new certified copy (made when you order it) of the information from the official records. Not a xerox of the original. Two forms ordered on the same day would look the same, two forms ordered years apart might not.


Dave
Comment posted December 28, 2010 @ 11:50 pm

It looks exactly like mine and I was born in Hawaii (a few years after the Prez). Maybe they changed the forms a bit between when you got your copy and when he got his copy. Forms (even government forms) do change from time to time and what they release is a new certified copy (made when you order it) of the information from the official records. Not a xerox of the original. Two forms ordered on the same day would look the same, two forms ordered years apart might not.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 29, 2010 @ 12:22 am

There is nothing that will end this “discussion”. That’s the whole point.


Anonymous
Comment posted December 29, 2010 @ 12:22 am

There is nothing that will end this “discussion”. That’s the whole point.


HC Visigoth
Comment posted December 29, 2010 @ 7:10 am

What opendna said. Obama has already provided a single piece of paper, and still y’all go on about this like he didn’t do so.

Given this, there is no reason for him to go further. Those who believe the state of Hawaii need no further proof. Those who don’t are not going to believe anything, ever.


Johninlongmont
Comment posted December 30, 2010 @ 11:16 pm

“…I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

but, you ARE adding to your “statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago” by making THIS statement….so WHY are you doing THAT?…and just what “original vital records” did you see and why don’t you state what they are?

everyone protecting obama continues to carefully craft each and every word of every statement they give…Chris Matthews and some other progressive schmucks called on obama to release the original birth certificate…the new Gov. of Hawaiiiiiiii said it was going to be his TOP PRIORITY to clear this up, but he SUDDENLY CHANGED HIS MIND…WHY WOULD HE DO THAT????….wake up, obamabots!!!


davidgs
Comment posted December 31, 2010 @ 2:34 am

Well done John! You’ve taken stupid to a new level. The statement in question was not made by Visigoth, but by the Hawaii Director of State Department Health.


HC Visigoth
Comment posted December 31, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

Well, let’s give Howdy the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he’s not addressing me, but Dr. Fukino. Howdy’s complaint is that she is adding something to her original statement, even though she said she has “nothing further to add.” This parsing of her statement, says Howdy, proves that she, along with her boss the GOP governor, is willing to risk prison time to protect Obama.

However, this only would be proof if you A) ignore the word “further”, which would make what she said “anything beyond the statement I am currently making”, which makes perfect sense to those of us here on Earth; and, B) believe that this phrase somehow invalidates what she’s said, which is that she’s seen the records that verify that “Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.” Yes, the black guy is legitimately our president. Really. Enjoy!

Moving on: since Chris Matthews is now the new hero of the birther movement, I took it upon myself to watch the clip of him, Clarence Page and David Corn batting this around (posted on “Newsmax,” no less!). Their conclusion was — and you can watch this yourself to verify I’m not making this up — yeah, the new gov can go ahead and release it if he can, but in a week the polls will show that nobody’s minds will have changed.

This is most logically interpreted as saying what I and many, many others have always said: the people who believe the State of Hawaii is part of a conspiracy will not be convinced by any document the State of Hawaii produces. We can modify that now to say “if they didn’t believe the GOP governor, there’s *no way* they’ll believe a Democratic governor.”

The birthers interpret this as: even Chris Matthews is demanding Obama release his birth certificate!

I don’t see anywhere that Abercrombie has changed his mind, but it would not surprise me in the least if he’s unable to actually follow through on his idea — and, it would make no difference either way, as I said above. This was not a smart thing for him to have said in the first place, because it does nothing, zero, other than get the birthers all moist.

Personally, I believe Obama should find a way to release a copy of his original birth certificate — in January 2013. And he should then say “see?” because he’s just too classy to say “suck it.” So now you can put me down as “HC Visigoth demands Obama release his birth certificate!”


Proud Birther
Comment posted February 17, 2011 @ 2:01 pm

Us Birthers are people who question the system, no senseless drones who take whatever the US throws at us. Why don’t you check this article out. However you will try and find some reason not to see the facts. Being willfully dishonest means having something place in front of you and not taking the time to process it. You will probably just shift it aside and not even consider the possibility. I have looked at both sides and decided that I feel that Obama does not deserve to be president. He was not born here and should not be able to run the country. This is one article that gives proof. Feel free to be willfully dishonest to yourselves and dismiss it entirely. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html


HCV
Comment posted February 21, 2011 @ 12:58 am

I checked the article out, as did a whole raft of people, when it came out several years ago. There a ton of sites out there that explain why “techdude”‘s analysis is completely bogus.

Since then, the State of Hawaii has confirmed that the birth certificate released by the Obama campaign is the real thing.

In order to accept techdude’s analysis, one has to discard the overwhelming evidence in favor of the birth certificate being legitimate, as well as all corresponding circumstantial evidence, in favor of one anonymous blogger with no technical credentials, making assertions actually do not have any technical, logical, or legal credibility. I’m going to stick with the side of overwhelming evidence. Occam’s Razor, baby.


Parlorcity
Comment posted February 28, 2011 @ 12:15 am

Sigh. Do you all know that the ONLY time in a two month period that ALL of the birth announcements matched in EXACT DESCENDING order was in the two editions that had obama’s birth announcements?
Here. This is the link to the only research that was done with microfilm copies collected in person, meaning NOT emailed to “someone” by somebody pretending to be a librarian. It is a long read, but very interesting and has pictures, links to copies of the actual birth announcements from THREE of the ten libraries that have both sets of these particular films. It’s fantastic! The only stuff out there that the blogger caused to be collected in person.

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth


Parlorcity
Comment posted February 28, 2011 @ 12:25 am

BTW-The reason that I mentioned a “two month” window is because that is the date range that was collected by this blogger. She later mentioned collecting six weeks additional – mid Jan. ’61 ~ all of Feb. ’61, to look for obama’s parents marriage announcements. Neither the engagement or marriage was there. Nor did the same occurrence of every birth announcement in both papers being listed in exact descending order occur in that date range either. Here is one more post. There is a series of five or six.

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/wheres-sherlock-holmes-when-you-need-him


davidgs
Comment posted February 28, 2011 @ 12:44 am

Yes. Clearly it was a conspiracy going back to the birth of Obama to fake his citizenship so he could become President. They were thinking THAT far ahead. You’ve caught them though. Red handed. They even saw far enough into the future to know that we would be scared of Muslims now, and no longer afraid of communists. Man, they were THAT good. And yet you, you of all people, managed to discover their ONE mistake … listing the births in order. No Idea how ‘they’ didn’t think of that one!

::eyeroll:: Go back to playing with yourself and writing on the walls using your poo. I’ll call the orderlies and tell them not to let you use the internet anymore.


Parlorcity
Comment posted February 28, 2011 @ 10:11 pm

Eyeroll indeed. Goodness man, at least try to be original, you bore everyone when you don’t even try!
I know how to prove that obama and his team set up all the birthers to make the republicans look bad. They planned during the Presidential campaign to plant a BUNCH of stuff to be discovered over the course of several years.
Then they planned ahead to have Neil Abercromie and his buddy punk the entire country by having the Gov. look for the birth records at the Dept. of Health only to claim they are not there! That no hospital has record either! His buddy goes on air all over the country doing interviews saying that the HI Gov. had just told him that obama has no birth records in the Dept. of Health there in Honolulu. Man those guys are going all out!
Then things like this are popping up:

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/duplicitous-duplicate

I know, I know, isn’t it amazing how thoroughly the obama team planted all these anomilies to make the birthers look kooky?


Parlorcity
Comment posted March 7, 2011 @ 7:19 pm

CHECK OUT THIS BRAND NEW INFORMATION ! Wow, obama’s team just covers all the angles in making the republicans look unhinged. It seems obama’s team planted another serious anonymity in the Honolulu Dept. of Health for stupid birthers to stumble across. This one is pretty convincing though, so they may have screwed up this time;

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/its-a-date


Norm Wand
Comment posted March 30, 2011 @ 10:01 pm

I viewed that birh list all the way to the beginning and indeed it said the list was as reported by the Health Dept. Which blows up Oreilly’s theory. Also Obama’s half sister admittedly born in Indonesia has exactly the same knd of cerification of live birth (somewhere) issued to her. According to Oahu statute the COLB is available to anyone reporting provided they have been a resident for at least a year prior.
So let’s all sing out “WHERE’S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE”? Infuriating isn’t it? Shame on Nancy Pelosi- it was her responsibility and now her liability.


HC Visigoth
Comment posted March 31, 2011 @ 6:27 pm

OK, I’ll join in the chorus: WHERE’S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

…Maya’s, that is.

I’ve poked around a bit, and I cannot find any image of a Maya Soetro birth certificate from Hawaii, saying she was born in Hawaii.

Link, please?


Bob Hardin
Comment posted April 8, 2011 @ 6:25 pm

Hawaii Law allows people to get a certificate of live birth for their kid if they sign an affidavit that the kid was born at home. Then the Department of Health Vital Statistics System posts an announcement in the newspaper(s). I’m not a birther, but the article leaves out this important detail.


Anonymous
Comment posted April 9, 2011 @ 2:41 am

If there were anything hinky about Obama’s citizenship status, Hillary’s people would have found it during the primaries.


Anonymous
Comment posted April 9, 2011 @ 2:41 am

If there were anything hinky about Obama’s citizenship status, Hillary’s people would have found it during the primaries.


AnonymousCoward
Comment posted April 9, 2011 @ 10:53 am

You don’t understand, OldUncleDave: The Clinton people and the McCain people are IN ON THE CONSPIRACY. Also the Bush White House, and the State Departments of Condoleezza Rice back to Henry Kissinger.


Daniel Goldman
Comment posted April 10, 2011 @ 5:36 pm

I really doubt Obama was born anywhere else besides the US. There are other issues however, for instance, whether or not he ever denounced his citizenship, and as a strong hater of america(after all he married someone who after how many years of being an american citizen was FINALLY proud to be an american?) it seems possible for sure.


Tumbleweednm
Comment posted April 10, 2011 @ 9:00 pm

There is undisputable proof OB1 was born in Kenya, you just have to ask the right people, that is, those who know factually.


davidgs
Comment posted April 10, 2011 @ 9:42 pm

Of course there is … Too bad the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, all those other folks, you know, the one’s that have to check things out for, say, a security clearance (which Obama had before running for President) just missed it, right?

Oh, no, that’s right, they’re all in on it too. Kenya, Hawaii, and most of the Federal Government has been in on the whole thing since 1961 because they just KNEW he’d one day become a Senator, then run for and get elected President. They planned it all along. Hell, they probably set his mom up with Obama Sr. to start the whole thing because what would ruin America more than a half-black President?

Better double up on the tin foil hat there sparky.


Pdlwic
Comment posted April 10, 2011 @ 9:52 pm

For persons born abroad between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if “born out-of-wedlock”):

1. The person’s parents were married at the time of birth
2. One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth;
4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.

President Barack Obama’s mother was 18 at the time of his birth. He was born on August 4, 1961. Therefore if he was born in Kenya, than his mother could not have possibly resided in the US for 5 years after her 14th birthday and he would not meet the qualifications for U.S. Citizenship unless he was naturalized.


guest
Comment posted April 15, 2011 @ 8:27 am

I’d just like to say that I personally do not base my thoughts about Obama’s “citizenship” solely on the birth certificate issue. I am niether a “birther” nor an “obamabot”.

I actually really liked Obama when he was running his campaign for presidency. I liked what he was saying, and how he was presenting himself. That all changed over the course of the past two years… He, like most other candidates and past presidents let many things roll off of his tounge that he knew were just not going to happen. All politicians lie! The best we can hope for is that we end up with the one that is in a sense “the lesser of two evils”.

I have researched, read, listened to, and tried to the best of my ability to look at things from as many different angles as possible in order to come to the truth about what is really going with our president and all of the issues connected to him.

My conclusion is that there are just too many so called “coincidences”. The fact that Mr. Obama has lied to the U.S. citizens many times about very important things like, the promise he made that as soon as he was in office that he would end the war in Iraq and bring home all of our troups. What about another promise he made in Jan. 2008 that all healthcare negotiations would be televised so that the public would know first hand what was going on. What about the absolute outright lie he told about his own father serving in WW2 (his father was born in 1936, which would mean that when WW2 ended in 1945 that his father would have been only 9 yrs old)… What an idiot! What about Mr. Obama refering to his “Muslim” faith in a live interview (the interviewer actually had to correct Obama by saying, “You mean your Christian faith”. These are just a few lies that do not settle well with me. There are by the way many, many more.

I am even willing to let all of the lies he told prior to becoming president go for the sake of being more than just fair… However, I am not willing to overlook the fact that our president after two years of contoversy over his citizenship doesn’t just come out with his birth certificate and end all of the upset and worry over it.

I know, people say he has shown proof by posting a PDF of a certificate of live birth online, but if you do your homework you will find that back in 1961 the authentic long form birth certificate which contains all of the information about his birth (and includes an an official seal) is a different document from the one that was posted. It is also a fact that at that time the “certificate of live birth” was specifically used for children who were not born in a hospital or born at home. In these particular cases the parents actually had up to one year after the birth to file for this certificate. Children who were born in a hospital were issued the long form birth certificate. Mr. Obama claims to have been born in Kapiolani hospital.

I will continue with the fact that Obama’s own grandmother said in a live interview that Obama was born in Kenya and that she was present at his birth. There are sworn affidavits by Bishop Ron Mcrae and Kweli Shuhubia stating that Obama’s grandmother said more than once that he was indeed born in Kenya. Obama said he was born in Kapiolani hospital and then his sister said he was born at Queens medical center… Which was it? Why and how could there be so much confusion about a single subject? Something is obviously not right.

Aside from the birth certificate issue there are many other things that Obama could make public, but again refuses to do so. There are school records such as his kindergarden school record which ironically would include a copy of what in it? Yes, his birth certificate, as well as vaccine records, etc. Then there are passport records, his HU records, legislative records from the Illinios state senate, medical records, etc. The only documents that were obtained that I am aware of were one from Indonesia showing that he was at that time an Indonesian citizen (which you must have been in order to go to school there). This single peice of paper also stated that his religion was Islam. The second being, a student loan application for one Barry Soetoro (a foriegn student loan to be exact). These two documents alone only provide proof that he is not a U.S. citizen.

Then there are the numerous and continuing law suits brought against Mr. Obama in regards to once again, his citizenship. Mr. Obama has spent over 2 millions dollars to keep all of these records from the public. Why?… and where did he get the 2 million dollars to do that?

There are just too many things that do not add up. If it were one or two, or maybe even three things in question it might be acceptable, but there is no way on earth that all of these things can just be explained away as being “coincidental”.


davidgs
Comment posted April 15, 2011 @ 3:16 pm

You want his KINDERGARTEN ‘records’ released? Seriously? You probably don’t even realize how completely bat-shit crazy that sounds.

Not that facts matter to you, but that $2M figure so often quoted? That’s for legal issues — ALL OF THEM — surrounding his campaign. ALL candidates spend massively on legal issues. They have to . Especially when the not-allowed-to-use-anything-sharper-than-a-crayon crowd raises stupid issues at every turn.

Citing the number of lawsuits brought as ‘evidence’? Of course. Noting that every single one of them has been thrown out would have been more truthful though. Adding that the main perpetrator of such suits has been fined over $10,000 for filing frivolous lawsuits in the matter might make it even more clear.

The only thing that doesn’t add up is how seemingly rational people believe this bullshit. Wait, rational people DON’T believe this bullshit. Guess where that leaves you Gomer?


davidgs
Comment posted April 15, 2011 @ 3:16 pm

You want his KINDERGARTEN ‘records’ released? Seriously? You probably don’t even realize how completely bat-shit crazy that sounds.

Not that facts matter to you, but that $2M figure so often quoted? That’s for legal issues — ALL OF THEM — surrounding his campaign. ALL candidates spend massively on legal issues. They have to . Especially when the not-allowed-to-use-anything-sharper-than-a-crayon crowd raises stupid issues at every turn.

Citing the number of lawsuits brought as ‘evidence’? Of course. Noting that every single one of them has been thrown out would have been more truthful though. Adding that the main perpetrator of such suits has been fined over $10,000 for filing frivolous lawsuits in the matter might make it even more clear.

The only thing that doesn’t add up is how seemingly rational people believe this bullshit. Wait, rational people DON’T believe this bullshit. Guess where that leaves you Gomer?


Desert_ranger
Comment posted April 16, 2011 @ 8:50 am

Sorry about that, but I don’t think you have all of the facts. Please go to this website to view images of recently ordered long-form Hawaii birth certificates: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=285921


Desert_ranger
Comment posted April 16, 2011 @ 8:55 am

Because it is easy to forge documents, and to turn the dials on administrative processes to change what was once clear into a murky swamp. The American People do not like being lied to. Let the sun shine in.


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