The Sarah Obama Myth

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Friday, July 24, 2009 at 9:22 am

I’ve addressed the rumor that one of President Obama’s African relatives “was there” when Obama was born before, most recently in my story today, but Alex Koppelman has a good take-out in Salon. G. Gordon Liddy has repeatedly said Obama was “born in the Kenyan slums” because of a doctored audio tape.

What Liddy was referring to is actually an affidavit filed by a street preacher named Ron McRae, who conducted an interview with Sarah Obama, the second wife of President Obama’s grandfather, through a translator. (Sarah Obama is not the president’s biological grandmother, but he calls her “Granny Sarah.”)

In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point that she was there for her grandson’s birth. But that was a mistake, a confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. And corrected him.

This has been one of the most pervasive Obama myths, and because none of the citizenship lawsuits get trial, the ‘birthers’ believe it’s never been disproven. It’s quite telling.

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Lava Lee Pyre
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

I've noticed that 24aheaddotcom is not commenting here anymore, but he does comment over at the articles you link to. I wonder if it's because he keeps getting totally pwn3d over here.


xcott
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

Rule number one of running a denial movement: when your arguments are exposed, simply repeat them elsewhere.

But then there's rule number two: when your arguments are exposed, disappear for a random length of time and then repost them. So I figure we'll hear from this guy again.


Jim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Probably, since when I asked for proof he kept pointing to the WND site and I found that even that site believes that POTUS was an American born citizen born in Hawaii.

“A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

So now he can't prove what he's saying and has been shown the truth…he didn't like that.


Tonks
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

I'd point out that neither Sarah Obama nor the translator ever said that “Barack Obama the US Senator” was born in Kenya, even before the point of correction. The “trick question” was a shift from asking questions about Barack Obama's FATHER, who was also named “Barack Obama”, to asking about the son. So the correction comes as soon as the translator and/or Sarah realize that there has been an apparent misunderstanding about which Barack Obama was being discussed.

Barack Obama Sr. (the father), was indeed born in Kenya, in the very small village where Sarah Obama also resided. So even though she was not his mother, she very likely was “present' at the time. (It's a tiny village which did not even have electricity until November of 2008)


MRW
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Sarah Obama was the third wife of Obama's grandfather. Obama's father is the son of the second wife.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

You dumb libs think Obama is an American.

I just got an email from a Kenyan Prince who is having legal difficulties but if I send a money order for $8,000 to a post office box in Nigeria, he will put me in touch with a member of the Kenyan Royal Family that is willing to meet me in Times Square and give me Barry Soteros original long form Keyan Birth Certificate.

So long suckers!


A
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Unfortunately, I highly doubt this, or any other media coverage, will put the issue to rest for those who, in their delusional state, cling to it so fiercely.

If one looks at what is truly fueling this conspiracy theory– as one group of concerned citizens at the politijab DOT com forum have been doing for months now–one quickly finds that some of the most dangerous and vile anti-government and racist hate groups are driving the issue and using it to recruit new members.

Many of the birthers are clinging to a vision of the USA that is long past, and maybe never existed. They fear change and diversity, and they cannot accept what is happening before their own eyes. These people are being recruited, slowly, into much more dangerous existing hate groups. They are being encouraged daily to “take up arms” and “join militias” and “take their country back at all costs” and “get that Kenyan usurper and his gorilla wife out of office”. Check any birther chat or blog and these types of comments are rampant. Most of the birthers are likely harmless “armchair warriors”, but such sentiments are dangerous and the racism present in them is absolutely sickening.

Please look further into the roots of this idiocy. That is where the real story exists. No one wants to see another tragedy like the recent events involving Von Brunn, who espoused birther theories on the internet before picking up his gun and shooting an innocent man.


captainsteve
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:17 am

obummer's grandmother has stated on several occasions that she was present at the birth in. . . Kenya!!!! are you calling her a liar?

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY


Guest
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:33 am

Sworn affidavits and audio tape are no hoax!

Obama's Kenyan paternal grandmother Sarah Hussein Obama, has stated that she was present at the hospital when he was born in Mombasa, Kenya. Sworn affidavits attesting to this exist for multiple persons, including Bishop Ron McRae of The Anabaptists Churches of North America and Kweli Shuhubia, an ordained minister for the gospel of Jesus Christ and a native Kenyan evangelist who was present serving as translator when Sarah Obama voluntarily and knowingly participated in a recorded conversation about her grandson Barack Hussein Obama II. Bishop McRae asked Sarah Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson Barack Obama was born in Kenya” This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she specifically replied “Yes”.

Some desperately wish to dismiss this conversation outright due to some commotion at the end of the tape caused by Sarah's official Kenyan handlers, who understanding the significance of her statement, tried but failed to prevent Sara Obama from making this admission. She is proud that her grandson is going to be president. She does not know that being born in Kenya is a Constitutional disqualification. She said she was present at his birth. She answered in the affirmative when asked if Obama was born in Kenya.

The handlers who are fully aware of the significance of her admission then interrupted and insisted Obama was born in Hawaii. How could Sara Obama have been present at the birth of her grandson, as she said she was, if Obama was in Hawaii? She was not in Hawaii at the time and was clearly saying she was present when Obama was born in Kenya. The translator has affirmed this.

Please listen to the tape yourself at this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGWcD5OHm08


sherry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:34 am

I can not believe you stupid people live your life writing these negative comments and suggestions. Do you have anything better to do like trying to get saved before judgement day. I hope all of you negative people be together in HELL where you will have plenty of time to get together and raise these types of issues LOUDLY. So to everybody who do not believe keep on doing what you are doing because one day you will also be the headline story.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

“Bishop” Ron McRae? That's an odd variant spelling of “street preacher who would say anything to get published in a right-wing newsletter.”

And “multiple persons” is a peculiar way of spelling “just this one guy.”

“Commotion at the end of the tape” is not how we spell “the translator's mistake was immediately and repeatedly corrected” here in liberal elite America.

Sorry for picking on your spelling, birther. I'm just snooty that way.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

No. I'm not calling her a liar. I'm calling you a liar for lying about what Obama's Granny Sarah actually said.

I think you should show up, with a TV news cameraman in tow, at your local Republican party headquarters (Waffle House or Cracker Barrel?) and DEMAND action. Be prepared to light candles and cast out wickedness. Bring your birth certificate and put it inside a ziplock bag for safe-keeping. Don't forget to make everyone recite the Pledge.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Who's the sucker? I got the inside track on you. I only had to put up $5,000 and they're gonna come to meet ME at my house. I gave them the address and I'm busy making a Kenyan feast so that they'll know I'm legit when they get here.

Where the hell have you been, Florida? We were about to scour the Tallahassee diners to look for you, as soon as the 4 pm Early Bird Special starts. Too many usurpers here trying to do with a sledgehammer what you do with a jeweler's hammer.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

Rule number 3 = “be a total and complete waste of skin, so that you feel neither shame nor embarrassment when exposed as a racist xenophobe who lacks reading comprehension skills.”

WB xcott.


Centipede
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

I almost feel sorry for these people. They seem to believe any internet rumor that's spit out about the subject, yet refuse to acknowledge any solid evidence that distinctly refutes it. Hate does bad things to people.


ziploked
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

WRONG! That recording is edited down to conceal a mistake of mistranslation, that is repeatedly corrected over and over again by Sarah Obama. McRae purposely cut that part out to conceal the truth and perpetuate the lie against Obama. Here's the whole recording, including the part he cut out: http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma

Compare the two yourself. You'll see it's the same recording, just with the missing part where Sarah Obama insists that her grandson was born in Hawaii.

Don't you feel stupid now?


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Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

Why not You, Lou Dobbs, False News [Fox News], Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage & Bill O'Reily, go to [Kenya] and Prove He's from Kenya, along with a Sworn Statement from his…

[Kenyan Step-Mother]

It would be the Find of the Century !!!

You Low Life, Hate Monger….

Fly with the Rich Republican Hate Monger Machine and get the Kenyan Citizenship Proof you Need.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

Original Paper Birth Certificates…

[You Won't Get It, Period]

Unlike that Crazed Lady Presenting a So-Called Birth Certificate in a Zip Lock Bag, which she Claimed is Authentic.

She should be put to the Task of [Proof]

I Requested My SC Birth Certificate, because I Needed it, to Acquire My [Passport] and the SC Department sent me a Miniature State Sealed [Copy]

I Did Not get a Full Sized [Original Paper Birth Certificate]

I Received a [Miniature Certified State Sealed Birth Certificate]

I sent that Copy to the US Passport Office and Received My [US Passport] 45 Days Later.

You will Never get the Original Paper Birth Certificate, Because of Security Reasons, Internet, Photo-Shopping and Fraud.

The Fraudulent Misuse of Citizen's Information through Scrupulous People & Groups, getting Access to People's Social Security Numbers are Wide Spread.

Imagine the State Showing or Giving Access to Your State & Federal ID to All that wanted Access.

Some of You People are [Hateful & Bitter]

He's Our Nation's [44Th President]

Live with and Move On with Life.

He's President Of The USA…

Finished
————–


Randwulf
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

All those stupid racists in Kenya have actually created a shrine there to honor Obama's place of birth and continue in their nationally celebrated, hateful, racist, obsession claiming that he was born there, even though, ALL of the left wing, White-guilt ridden, American and professional, repressed, victim specialist Black “all Whites are guilty” insult specialists have proven with their illogical and voluminous invective that these Kenyan racist/haters are all stupid, deluded, wrong and in need of professional psychiatric care and accompanying medication !!!!

I say to Granny Sarah (and all of her fellow racist, hate-mongering Kenyan wingnuts) that she needs to either PROVE that she was able to witness her grandson's birth there in Kenya in 1961 or STFU. JEEEEZZZZ, a monument to his birth place? In Kenya? It just astounds me what these crazy ass, inbred, f@cking, black, native African birfoons will come up with next!!! It's just insane! Don't they have anything better to do? What idiots!! I mean it doesn't matter where he was born! So what if he was born in Kenya? That won't change anything. OK? He didn't run for president of Kenya! He ran here! He is ours and you can't have him back. He is President of the United States now! He won! He doesn't have to follow the rules! Get used to it!! Now quit wasting everyone's time with this and move your stupid f@cking Obama “birther” shrine to some hospital in Honolulu. (If you can get either Obama himself of one of the two hospitals he has claimed as his birthplace to clarify which one it was.) ( I think it would tell us that somewhere on the long form.) But what the hell? We don't need to see that! All that is important is that we go on believing whatever we want. Everyone else can just f@ck off! If you disagree, you need to be arrested, tried for sedition and sent to an internment camp for Republinazis to await your mercy killing. Is that Democratic enough for you?

Now I hope I was illogical and insulting enough to have made my point. This is more fun than fishing with hand grenades.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

Well, if you can do that, there goes ANY chance of Obama/Sotero claiming even a naturalized citizenship unless he takes a number and gets into line at immigration. That means he is literally an illegal alien. That means that his British subject status from his father will combine with actual born-in-a-British-colony status to make him a true natural-born British (now Kenyan) citizen with an American mother too young to have conferred American citizenship on him.

$8000 well spent. It may save what is left of Western Civilization. (well, for another decade of two)


Randwulf
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

When you say “Kenyan feast” are you referring to that good old central African favorite, “Missionary Stew”. UMMMM…… wasn't that Idi Amin's staple diet?

Oh and I'll bet you aren't planning on posting Obama's Kenyan birth certificate with “Factcheck”! You being so dedicated to truth and all.


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

I dont think anyone could wade far enough through your dreck to decipher whatever obtuse point you were trying to make.


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

“Obama's Kenyan paternal grandmother Sarah Hussein Obama”

Gee you almost made half way through your first sentence without a major factual error.

Sarah Hussein Obama is NOT Obamas grandmother!

Habiba Akumu Obama
Also known as Akumu Nyanjoga.[60] Barack Obama's paternal grandmother, and the second wife of Hussein Onyango Obama. She gave Onyango two children: Sarah and Barak (Barack Obama's father). (Dreams from my Father, 2004 edition, p. 408). Her father was named Njango and she was born and raised in the Western Kenyan village of Karabondi.[60][61] Luos are given name related the circumstances of their birth and Akumu means mysterious birth, a conception after a birth, but before resumption of menses.[59] She took the name Habiba upon her conversion to Islam. A photograph of her holding her son, Barack Sr, on her lap is on the cover of her grandson's memoirs titled Dreams from My Father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_O…


Guest
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

There was no trick question. They were talking about Obama the usurper. Sworn affidavits and the audio tape are rather persuasive, especially when compared to simple politically biased bilge.

You Obamabot apologists sure are desperate to hide the truth. Rather than doing all you can to implement socialism in the US to overcome you personal fears and failings, how about getting an education or a marketable skill so you can get a decent job. Then you can live your life with some self respect and buy your own health insurance, or anything else you decide is worth your hard earned money, instead of expecting mommy and daddy or the productive members of society to pay your way.

Try this on for size too, irrespective of Obama's birth location, he does not meet the requirements for being a natural born citizen, which are 'born in the country of citizen parents' (plural) or 'soil and blood', as required by Article 2 Section 1, of the Constitution. His Kenyan father precludes him from being a natural born citizen, therefore he is an illegal usurper.


Guest
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

Unlike you, I don't rely on extraneous material to try and make a point. The point is that she is his grandmother and dear old granny, who has no more of a clue about the Article 2, Section 1, of our Constitution than you do, said multiple times that she was present at his birth in Kenya.

Irrespective of Obama's birth location, he does not meet the requirements for being a natural born citizen, which are 'born in the country of citizen parents' (plural) or 'soil and blood', as required by Article 2 Section 1, of the Constitution. While his Kenyan birth (soil) would disqualify from eligibility, we already know that his Kenyan father (blood) precludes him from being a natural born citizen, therefore he is an illegal usurper.

By the way, wikipedia has no authoritative academic oversight and is just as politically biased as snopes or factcheck. Those who value their credibility should refrain form using such sites as a reference, if they wish to be taken seriously.


Guest
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

If what you say is true, why wuold WND be putting up billboards all across the country asking “where's the Birth Certificate? [1]

However unlikely, it is still possible that if sufficiently compelled, Obama may produce a long form birth certificate asserting he was born in Hawaii. After all, his allegedly official CoLB, which Obama refuses to grant Hawaii permission to release, still miraculously appeared on his Internet web site, FightTheSmears.com. Curiously this mere graphic representation of what Obama alleged was his official Hawaiian CoLB, along with the entire web site, has now been taken down. Perhaps because what he claimed was his official CoLB, was found to be fraudulent by experts, as verified by an affidavit from former federal document examiner & retired law enforcement officer, Sandra Ramsey Lines. [2]

1. http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2866…

2. http://www.scribd.com/doc/10266528/Keyes-v-Ling…


Guest
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:47 am

Von Brunn? Militias? What ridiculous examples.

C'mon, you're not trying. I would have thought such self-revealing fearful, hate mongering racist remarks, meant to insult your fellow Americans who simply insist on honoring the Constitution (more correctly termed 'truthers' or patriots), would have merited invoking fears of another Civil War.

“Clinging to a vision of the USA that is long past, and maybe never existed. They fear change and diversity, and they cannot accept what is happening before their own eyes.”

The vision of a free America is not as long past as you would like comrade. It still exists all right, thanks to law abiding, intelligent, well informed patriots and our valiant veterans, rather than traitors like you. You better believe we can't accept what is happening. We do not accept a usurper de facto president, any more than we accept your lies, excuses and laziness. That's what we see before our own eyes.

You think socialism is cool and you want 'change' huh? Put down your copy of the Communist Manifesto and try working for a living, like most self respecting responsible freedom loving American adults. Then you'll have enough change in your own pocket so you won't have to desperately rely on the efforts of more productive citizens to pay your tab.

You obviously forget that America has fought several wars in defense of freedom and liberty, to defeat those who would dare seriously threaten our Constitution and our nation. What makes you think good Americans aren't willing to do it again if need be?

You want to pretend it's cool to ignore the Constitution? Go ahead, make my day.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Oh, evolve.


Guest
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:57 am

Doctored tape? Mistranslation? The sound quality is very poor because they were using a speaker phone on a call to Kenya. Given that, let's just deal with someone who has no dog in this fight, the translator's sworn affidavit.

AFFIDAVIT OF REVEREND KWELI SHUHUBIA

I, Kweli Shuhubia am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a party to the with in action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as follows I am an ordained minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ and a native evangelist and translator for the Anabaptist churches in Kenya.

I am the official Swahili translator for the annual Anabaptists Conference held each year in Africa, working with the American bishops sitting upon the Continental Presbytery of the Anabaptists Churches of Africa. I am fluent in Swahili and in English. I am a former teacher in Kenya, and travel extensively in the ministries of the Anabaptists Churches of Africa throughout Kenya,Uganda and the Sudan.

It is common knowledge throughout the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., the United States Presidential candidate, was born in Mombosa Kenya. Senator Obama’s grandmother still resides in the village of Alego-Kogello, approximately 37 miles from Kisumu City. On October 16, 2008 I went to interview Ms. Sarah Obama at her home. Ms. Obama’s home was flooded with people who were celebrating Senator Obama’s success story. Ms. Obama’s home was heavily guarded by Kenya Police. Prior to the interview with Ms. Obama, I took pictures of Ms. Obama, her grandson who was present and other family members.

During my interview of Sarah Obama; I called Bishop Ron McRae in the United States from my mobile number. I advised Bishop McRae that I was present with Ms. Obama in her home, and wished for him to speak with her. Bishop McRae informed me he would call me right back, to avoid the international costs on my personal mobile phone. Bishop McRae subsequently called me back; Bishop McRae requested permission to electronically record his telephone conversations with Ms. Obama, to which I agreed.

Due to bad telephone connections Bishop McRae had to call me back three [3]times, before we were able to continue our conversation. The telephone interview conducted by Bishop McRae was conducted on loud speaker (speaker phone). During the interview conversation, one of Ms. Obama’s grandsons and myself acted as Swahili translators, and as Bishop McRae talked to and questioned Ms. Obama, we would translate what Bishop McRae said to Ms. Obama in Swahili, and then we would translate her Swahili responses to Bishop McRae in English. Ms. Obama can fluently speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write.

Bishop McRae asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson Barack Obama was born in Kenya?” This was asked to her in translation twice,and both times she specifically replied, “Yes”. It appeared Ms. Obama’s relatives and her grandson, handling the translating, had obviously been versed to counter such facts with the purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii. Despite this, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Ms. Obama’s grandson attempted to counter his grandmother’s clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, Bishop McRae asked her grandson, how she could be present at Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but the grandson would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the United States!” But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

A copy of the Tape transcript is attached hereto as EXHIBIT “A”.

I left Kisumu City and traveled to Mombosa, Kenya. I interviewed personnel at the hospital in which Senator Obama was born in Kenya. I then had meetings with the Provincial Civil Registrar. I learned there were records of Ann Dunham giving birth to Barack Hussein Obama, III in Mombosa, Kenya on August 4, 1961. I spoke directly with an Official, the Principal Registrar, who openly confirmed the birthing records of Senator Barack H. Obama, Jr. and his mother were present, however, the file on Barack H. Obama, Jr. was classified and profiled. The Official explained Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. birth in Kenya is top secret. I was further instructed to go to the Attorney General’s Office and to the Minister in Charge of Immigration if I wanted further information.

The above related facts are true and verifiable to the best of my personal knowledge before God Almighty, whose I am and whom I serve.

I declare under the penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States, that the foregoing is true and correct.

Dated: October 30, 2008
Kweli Shuhubia
John 3:30/Philippians 3:19-21, 29, 30

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ziploked
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:30 am

So now you can't hear, but you can hear the parts that you want? You'll take the word of self-anointed “Bishop” McRae, who is actually just a street preacher (September 10, 2005 article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette) with no credentials church, following, or established religious affiliation combined with an affidavit from some unknown person as indisputable evidence, versus the evidence produced in your own country by the State of Hawaii, which has been verified by multiple independent sources? You can't hear, you won't read anything from verified, legitimate or legal sources, and you expect me to listen to you? I just feel sorry for you. Retort if you want, but I won't bother to write back. Arguing with a fool only proves there are two of you. I refuse to argue with you.
This whole argument was put to bed by the national media last week. Where the hell have you been? Oh, I know, the national media is part of the grand scheme, which only you and your wingnut Birther buddies, along with somebody named Kweli know as a lie.
Sad. You're making a joke of yourself and the Republican Party. Keep it up!


ziploked
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Wait, let me get this straight. Snopes and Factcheck are politically biased. What about the State of Hawaii? And it's obvious you've never even read Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution, so stop quoting it!

But, please, I beg you…exactly what and where are the sources and site that give you credibility. Please share it with me, and America. I REALLY want to take you seriously. I mean, after all, you're such a master at quoting things that doen't exist where you say they do! You have ZERO credibility.


ziploked
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:53 am

Read all about the nutcase (“Bishop” McRae) who started the Sarah Obama myth right here: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05253/568892-156…

This was written in 2005, long before Obama was on the national stage. Of course, the Obama Conspiracy Team might have known this guy would pop up (right after they falsified his birth in Hawaii), and carefully planned to demean him well in advance by bribing the reporter into writing this carefully placed article. Sheer brilliance, once again!

This guy is, essentially, the co-founder of the Birther movement–someone they should be proud to follow!


True Patriot
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:54 am

This is a great new video about the birth certificate issue. Everyone concerned about this issue NEEDS to watch it ASAP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coCDRfh0AWg


Randwulf
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

I've been in contact with the State of Hawaii Vital Statistics office and some person in that office who will only use the initials of their name. I have asked a series of pertinent questions regarding their policy on birth certificates. They have admitted to me in e-mails that they do in fact still have ALL of the old original long form, Certificates of Live Birth. Based upon having a Certificate, they will issue a Certification of Live Birth. A “Certification” can also be issued for births that did not actually occur on Hawaiian soil or births that were unsubstantiated by medical professionals, such as home births or other situations where only the word of at least one of the parents was taken as an indication of Hawaiian birth. These were almost never investigated but it is interesting to note that in such cases, the hospital and attending physicians are not named for obvious reasons.

Now here is where it gets interesting. When asked about getting an actual photocopy of my original “Certificate” for myself, for the purpose of finding out the birth places and ages of my birth parents (I was adopted as a baby) I was told that there is a RECENT directive from the head of the department instructing all personnel in the department that this was no longer possible. When asked if I could have the copy produced for my own viewing so that I could HAND COPY the information that I need from my original, they ceased communications with me. They have also in earlier communications, failed to give me any good reason why a person can not access their own original birth record at all, or get any kind of copy of the original AT ALL. This is a very recent policy and oddly, you can still get all the photocopies you want for marriage and death certificates. This whole policy has come about since Obama had a closed door meeting with Hawaiian officials last fall on his trip to visit his “ailing grandmother” there. He reportedly spent more time with the officials than with his grandmother on that trip but that should come as no surprise I suppose. I believe it was shortly after this visit that Hawaiian officials started claiming the only computer generated COLBs would be issued and then further lied saying that they were paperless since 2001 and didn't even have the paper originals any more and so the COLB was all that was available. Very odd. More on this as the truth gets dragged out.


ziploked
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

No, you've got it wrong Randwulf. Obama spent his time in Hawaii with the Aliens from Planet 12 who used their time portal to come here, make him President, and distort every piece of history during his lifetime to comply with all of your ingenious theories. I know, because they sent me an email about it. Like you, I won't post it, because then it would prove what I was saying. And like your State of Hawaii confidant, my alien asked me not to tell anybody, b/c his boss said its a big secret. Fearing for his job, there's no way he'll let Earth or Planet 12 know the truth–just me and you.
Thanks for sharing your secrets with America. You've given us all the proof we need. I think you should call your local news channels, show them your proof (emails, phone bill summaries with calls, dates) and make your case so we can get rid of this alien-sponsored American imposter.


ziploked
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

Nice try, True Patriot, but alas, it will probably do no good. It doesn't matter if you give these guys facts and truth. They'll lie, used misinformation and present it as fact, add words to the Constitution they've never read, etc. Just look at the preposterous email I got below from Randwulf (further down) claiming he (alone) got personal email from the State of Hawaii that basically exposes the whole fraud. Also notice, there is no copy of the email proof.
These Birthers are nuts, and there's no point with anybody wasting your time trying to convince them. Let them, and the Repubican Party, have their silly lie, if it makes them happy. It's not going to change the truth, or the reality of who is President.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

You are just crazier than a shit-house rat! There is really something wrong with you people. You are exactly like the followers of Jim Jones or that Dravidian nut-case in Waco. You follow Obama around and treat him like a savior of some kind and just totally spin out of control if anyone attacks him or criticizes him or simply points out that he might need to responsibly answer some questions about who he is. You really need to give the TV thing a rest. Especially the SCI-FI channel.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

So the acting president's name should have been:

Barak Akumu (mysterious birth) Obama. Right? How very fitting that would have been for him. Is that your point? Or are you trying to say that Obama's paternal grandmother was the product of some sort of “immaculate” conception?

Whatever. Sarah, who ever she is in the tribe, stated pretty clearly that she saw B.Obama Jr. born in Kenya, somewhere. Most Kenyans will also tell you that. Are they all wrong?


ziploked
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

“There is really something wrong with you people.”

I guess “you people” would be the vast majority of Americans that support our duly elected President, know how to read, are Patriotic, and actually keep up with current events (all your arguments were debunked weeks ago).

Yeah, right. This discussion is over.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

This discussion won't be over until it gets fully discussed. When I say “you people”, I mean the zombies who see no current events in their true light, only read and accept that which tends to support their Obamesiah and have no idea what it means to be patriotic (your leader holds his balls during the national anthem instead of placing his hand over his heart and you are all apparently alright with that.). You are in fact anti-patriotic in your total disregard for all things “American” while embracing anything un-American. All your arguments revolve around a misinterpretation of any and all previous constitutional case law or accepted understandings of it. No original CERTIFICATE of live birth or even a good photocopy of one has ever been produced by Obama. We've only been shown a faked, photoshopped, scanned and posted “image” of a supposed “Certification” of Live Birth. No other pertinent records of any kind have been produced and a lot of it has been systematically sealed and made unavailable for inspection if not literally scrubbed, burned, shredded or otherwise destroyed to keep it from becoming available. So no. Our arguments haven't been debunked and this discussion is definitely not over. You can burn all the books you want but until the truth is known, the questions will continue. Now go back to your f@cking space alien argument. I think your “Zip” has become unlocked.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:39 am

“Sworn affidavits and the audio tape are rather persuasive, especially when compared to simple politically biased bilge.”

I agree that the full audiotape, available at salon.com, is rather persuasive.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy/print.html

What is NOT persuasive is the abbreviated version of the audio that is being bounced around right-wing echo chambers.

And there are no sworn affidavits. Just a made-up one circulated via email.

“Simply politically based bilge” is a nice way of saying “xenophobic racist sore loser conspiracy theory.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:45 am

It’s true. WND wrote that. WND just doesn’t respect the intelligence of its target audience. Not that they’ve been given a lot of compelling reasons to do so…

I posted the following on a related thread yesterday:

“Even World Net Daily has reported that the COLB presented by President Obama is authentic.

Read that again.

Here’s the link:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI...

Here’s what you need to read when you get there:

“However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama’s actual certification of live birth and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama’s campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.

A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.”

Wow. Got that? Authentic. Got that? People claiming otherwise added stuff that wasn’t there before.

As if that wasn’t enough, here’s a point about the claim that Obama supposedly lost his citizenship as a boy in Indonesia:

“In short, the suit claims Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child (Editor’s note: This point is not supported by U.S. citizenship law); may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries.”

So how about it, birthers? You ready to call it quits now that even World Net Daily has given up?

Oh, wait, that World Net Daily article was published August 23, 2008, ELEVEN MONTHS ago. That can only mean that 24 ahead dot com and every other loser who cited WND in reliance on this stupid conspiracy was never serious to begin with!

Oh well, I can’t say I didn’t already know THAT!”


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Thank you, thank you. I have been trying to get more info about the esteemed Bishop.
This is the wing nut that had the phone conversation with Obamas step grandma.


ziploked
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

You are welcome. Here is another link you may find useful in debunking Birther nonsense, if you care to spend (what I now view as waste) the time:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/23/2148/56759


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

“insult specialists?”

Do I need to re-post that list of racist gems from you again, Randwulf?

“It just astounds me what these crazy ass, inbred, f@cking, black, native African birfoons will come up with next!!!”

You forgot to call us “Monkeyf@ckers” again.

Fail.


Florida Christain
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

Im saying nothing of the kind. Just straight forward facts.

Obamas dad was Barack Obama Sr.
Barack Obama Sr. had a mother.
Her name was Habiba Akumu Obama.
So Barack Obama Juniors Grandma was Habiba Akumu Obama.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

No. Granny Sarah is not Obama's biological grandmother. Read the article you're commenting on, doofus.

Moreover, she was talking about Barack Sr., not the President, when she said she saw him being born. The translator got it confused and the family corrected him, immediately, as is clear on the audio. Again, read the article.

Or, just keep spreading racist nonsense that has been thoroughly discredited by the articles you comment on. Up to you.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

No. Stop lying and stop pretending to be Florida Christian. Everyone notices the misspelling of “Christian” and no one is fooled.

Granny Sarah is President Obama's step-grandmother. She is the 2nd wife of his grandfather. She is not related to him at ALL by blood.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/…


Randwulf
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

Sorry. MONKEYF@CKERS! There. Happy?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:30 pm

The problem is, Randwulf, people like you keep fabricating racist nonsense. None of what you say is true. So it's incredibly boring merely to swat you with citations and logic like the fly that you are. Many people cannot resist the temptation to mock you while they swat.

Either stop spreading shit around indiscriminately, or put up with being treated like a pest.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

None of what you wrote above is true. But this is the part I want to discuss:

“This whole policy has come about since Obama had a closed door meeting with Hawaiian officials last fall on his trip to visit his “ailing grandmother” there. He reportedly spent more time with the officials than with his grandmother on that trip but that should come as no surprise I suppose…”

Link to the evidence of this closed door meeting, and link to the evidence of the amount of time spent in this meeting, and link to the evidence of the time spent with his grandmother.

You have no evidence and you have no shame. The man went to see his dying grandmother when he was in the middle of a Presidential campaign. No meeting with Hawaiian state officials took place. The press followed him everywhere at a distance of 8 feet.

You would even try to turn the man seeing his dying grandmother into evidence of your demented, racist, pathetic conspiracy theory. Go make a friend, then avoid telling him anything about your ideas about anything, or there goes your friend.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

“This discussion won't be over until it gets fully discussed.”

Don't look now, Randwulf, but there's an American Grand Jury meeting starting somewhere near your neighborhood! Go now before the keg runs dry.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

I was trying to respond to you but it looks like you went and raptured to the heavens before I got a chance to tease you.

Oh well. You'd have failed to appreciate the joke anyway.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

Listen dingleberry,

I can assure you that I AM getting to the truth of this matter with Hawaii's “Vital Statistics” morons. They are doing their best in the cover-up but they are cowards and they are wearing thin. The truth is about to come out. I am not going to let go of it either. And as far as racist nonsense goes, you and those of your ilk have stated repeatedly that the “birthers” are all just a bunch of “racists”. So a birther is someone who claims that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Right? Well, most of the population of Kenya believes that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Hence, they are “racists”. Do you speak Obama's father's native language? I'll bet not. So, how could YOU possibly know what was being said on those tapes anyway. And why would she think she was being asked about Obama SR. anyway. SWAT.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Wow. You need to stop watching Fox. You live in a bizarre caricature of reality. No one reads the Communist Manifesto, even when it's assigned reading in college. Change the channel.

And stop using Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry signature line. You're way too much of a doofus to be able to pull off “go ahead, make my day.”

Save it for your fellow patriots at the next American Grand Jury meeting. Tell me, can you patriots afford Samuel Adams Boston Lager? My guess is you blew your operating budget on chips and salsa again, so you're stuck with Keystone or Natural Light. But correct me if I'm wrong.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

BWA HA HA. WAAAAAAAA……I'm just all broken up at the thought of this f@cking narcissist “leader” of yours visiting with his dying grandmother in the middle of his campaign. The truth is that it was a damage control mission with Granny used as the excuse. Oh and don't worry, I have lots of friends. But thanks for your concern. Link to that dipshit.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:02 am

God I hope the keg stays dry! You do mean powder keg don't you? Cause that shit won't work once it gets wet and it will surly be needed sometime soon. Just google OBAMA ANTHEM and BALLS and then hit images. He is standing on a stage with some other people around him with their hands over their hearts and his hands are over his crotch. I'm not “making this shit up Go check it out.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:18 am

No, but I'm sure it made you feel better.

You have the complete lack of sense necessary to posture as you tried to here, when you're the biggest racist here? At least Tuci78 masks his with paranoid delusions about usurpation and the exercise of power. And he creatively misuses big words in long sentences. You're just stupid.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:23 am

You put “leader” in quotes. I never used the word. I referred to President Barack Hussein Obama as “the man.” Twice.

Your problem exists entirely in your mind. You have zero proof and less credibility. Link to that, dipshit!

You get your ass handed to you every time you post here. No wonder you run and hide from each thread.

All that means is you're not even able to acquit yourself reasonably in a debate with people you accuse of being blind, ignorant cult-members who drink kool-aid and fuck monkeys.

So, that says what about you and your debating skills? Oh yeah, I forgot. Says you're stupid.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:30 am

“I can assure you that I AM getting to the truth of this matter with Hawaii's “Vital Statistics” morons. They are doing their best in the cover-up but they are cowards and they are wearing thin. The truth is about to come out. I am not going to let go of it either.”

I sincerely hope you never let go of it. Because it's absurd, and so are you. You're not getting to the bottom of anything except the barrel of insults. Dingleberry is 3rd grade at best.

“Well, most of the population of Kenya believes that Obama was not born in Hawaii…”

Link to that, dipshit? And not from the “street preacher Bishop McRae” either, but an actual bit of proof? I won't hold my breath waiting. You're going to come out of the closet before you're going to provide any proof of your racist conspiracy theory.

Here's the thing. You don't even speak the King's English, and yet you're trying to assert that your belief about what a street preacher says a Kenyan woman said about seeing (who you allege is) her grandson who has the same exact name as (who you allege is) her son said.

And what's more, you're challenging what MY understanding of “Obama's father's native language.” You don't even know what it is, do you? SWAT.

Dipshit. Racist, ridiculously comical dipshit. Oh and I forgot. Not up to debating with monkeyfuckers. Not even man enough to write “monkeyfuckers.” You have to write “Monkeyf@cker.” Because you're a total loser.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:34 am

He's not holding his balls. We've all seen the pictures.

You just wish he was holding his balls because that's what YOU imagine yourself doing. Cupping them and hefting the impressive weight.

Come out of the closet. Liberals are gay-friendly.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:48 am

No, he's just dissing the country he is supposed to be the president of. And I know the liberals are gay friendly because most of them are gay. And I'll leave your fantasies about Obama's balls (if he has any) with you.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:57 am

Go google it. You are so fucking smart. There, I spelled out fucking for you so as not to be a total loser in your dirty little monkey-fuck mind. Oh, yes, the native language……..er uh …. some kind of central African jibberish of some kind, doesn't really matter though, unless you are some kind of monkey fuck liberal. Oh, and I LOVE provoking you fucking baboons or should I say Obaboons? Like I said, its more fun than fishing with dynamite. (or was it hand grenades?)

Oh well, use what you have. King's English? Ha. You libs wouldn't even have a clue. Enjoy your pooh flinging days. They are numbered.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:05 am

Whatever you little assmunch! You just screech and fling pooh and carry on like you are just so tough and smart. What fucking ever! Get a life! You are pathetic. Do you really believe you are debating here. Here's one for you MONKEY BOY! Obama won't have his long form released because of what it will tell the world. He was born in Kenya and until he shows the long form stating otherwise, more and more people will be asking why he won't release it. More and more people will believe he is hiding his birth facts. You are losing. Insulting me won't save you and your pathetic fellow Obazombies. GET USED TO IT!!!!! YOU HAVE NO DEBATING SKILLS OUTSIDE OF PERSONAL INSULTS AND ATTACKS!! YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE HERE. SO STUPID YOU CAN'T SEE IT.

KENYA DIG IT?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:12 am

That's RACIALIST to you baboon butt! I don't care what you think. And I'm not paranoid about anything. There is an enemy and it must be destroyed. Not paranoid. Just a fact. No big deal. And you need to quit laboring under the delusion that you possess some sort of superior intelligence or writing talent.

You're just a little pussy. Your mother is calling you to go up to bed now boy. Go to sleep and dream about being service by your big Black studs. Pathetic.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 9:57 am

No such word as racialist, loser.

You obviously care what I think or you wouldn't get so lathered up about having your idiocy and paranoia exposed.

“There is an enemy and it must be destroyed?” What a fuckwit. This isn't a comic book, loser. How's your campaign of destruction coming along? Seems to be going just fine. Birthers are being mocked front back and center. Even Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly mock you. GOP Congressmen and women sprint away from newscameras to avoid having to say anything about your stupid conspiracy theory.

My intelligence is certainly superior to yours! And my writing talent, well, let's just say at least I know how to write.

Imagine, a man who cannot bring himself to spell out “monkeyfucker” but who still lobs around a pussified version of that, calling someone ELSE a pussy! We now know that you dream about taking it in the ass from a big black stud. Who knew that you had such a love/hate relationship with President Obama?

You're even less interesting than Tuci78. He's a man who has warped intelligence. You're just warped. And you're a total fucking loser. Enjoy your homoerotic dreams, fuckwit.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 10:09 am

Nope. You're still the stupid one. You still get embarrassed every time you try to post.

Let's take a poll on who the stupid one is between the two of us. Bet you my birth certificate that people pick you, by a mile.

“What fucking ever?” Yep, time to come out of the closet. You curse like a valley girl, loser.

No, I don't believe I'm debating here. There's nothing to debate. I'm mocking the stupidly arrogant. And amusing myself tremendously in the process. Because you're really stupid and yet persistent.

When you present some sort of factual argument, I'll counter it with truth. Until then, I'll stick with the tried and true method of pointing out your idiocy. You haven't cited any actual facts yet.

When did I say anything about being tough? What are you, in middle school? You're obviously a loser. There's little question that you are a closet pole-smoker. But who knew, until now, how threatened you feel by being talked to by a black man? What a punk you are! Hike up your skirt and run for it!

Caps lock is very persuasive. You're obviously worked up over what a dumbass paranoid conspiracy theorist you are. Did you shit yourself, as well?

Obama won't have his long form released because there's no need to indulge your bratty wishes. Original vital records are kept online. COLB that you already have is all you'll get. Well, that and a whole lot of insults and mockery, because you're a total fucking loser. I forgot homophobic and racist. You also apparently have a fixation with monkeys. Nor can you tell who's winning and who's losing.

Your side has…you. Everyone else is debating the President's latest action, not whether he's the President. God you're dumb. Other birthers have the good sense to go into hiding and stay there when they get humiliated in print. Your dumb ass keeps popping up to get whacked again. See you around, loser. I'm sure you'll post more evidence of your brilliance again, and I'll be right there to call you on it.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 10:15 am

My days aren't numbered, loser.

When you're finished throwing your prissy hissy fit, I'll still be here to mock you for advancing idiotic birther posts, don't worry.

If you think your sophomoric references to monkeys is provocative, dream on. You're an amusing distraction, certainly nothing to get worked up over. You'd piss yourself if you even had to share an elevator with the people you pretend to be contemptuous of.

But I must admit it IS fun to watch losers like you come unhinged as you have in the last few posts you've directed at me.

You can't even remember what you said about fishing with hand grenades. No wonder you can't remember that you're fucking stupid.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 10:19 am

You're the one who brought up Obama's balls — you even directed me to a Google search, so we know how you spend your time, that is when you're not in the closet.

President Obama didn't “dis” the country. Nice attempt at slang, but as usual you're way off base. Maybe 15 years ago people were still using that word. Oh and yet more homophobia. Weird, considering how anxious you are to get back to dreaming about taking it in the can from a much larger man than you.

Enjoy your fantasy land. Over here in reality, we'll still be mocking you when we get around to paying attention to the nonsense you spew. Loser.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

Ooooooo…. so brave!! Mommy let you stay up late last night to continue to play out your fantasy of being the great RAINBOW COALITION WARRIOR? I say baboon butt because that is what your spewing reminds me of. And your intelligence? Hardly worth mention, but do tell us again how smart you are. Your writing ability? I've seen better on outhouse walls. Showing us that your whole “argument” is based on invective and personal attack because it lacks any factual basis? Priceless.

So here is a link for you BEEBO . A nice interview between the guys from the “Mike in the Morning” radio talk show and the Kenyan Ambassador, His Excellency Peter N.R. Ogego in Washington, discussing the fact of Obama's widely known (to Kenyans) Kenyan birth place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBdUvLzdH_M&feat…

Oh and Hawaiian officials Fukimo and Okubo have now recanted their earlier official claim that all paper birth records were destroyed in 2001 and Fukimo is saying that she has seen the original and that it verifies he was born in Hawaii but since nobody has seen a copy, we don't know if that is true. She is either lying or it is one of those things in which a parent stated that the birth occurred in Hawaii but of course will not have a hospital's name, doctor's name or midwife's name on it. No witnesses. Just applied for and gotten without any official verification of any kind. I'm looking forward to someone in Kenya coming forward with a long form from Mombasa. Only a matter of time you know. It must be terrible to be Barry, just waiting for that axe to fall. Have a banana rich day!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

I have a copy of Oxford on my desk.

YOU are the total fucking loser who doesn’t know how to use slang from the current decade. Do I have that right, “homie?”

TOTAL fucking loser.

No white person prefers to say ANY of the things you say. You’re on your own, floating in a sea of idiocy without anyone willing to throw you a lifeline. Notice how everyone lets you get your ass handed to you in here without doing anything except pile on against you?

See, that’s because you’re a total fucking loser! It all adds up.

Fail.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Wow! All that for ME!! I'm flattered! He again is you link to the Kenyan Ambassador stating that Barry was born in Kenya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBdUvLzdH_M&feat….

And again, stop the invective and show us the long form, paper, typed, doctor signed, original birth certificate supposedly in the vaults in Hawaii. Or shut the fuck up! That is the proof (or not!!). There is nothing else to say. Show it or shut up. It is only a matter of time before a judge orders it anyway. Might as well get it over with now. Oh, and thanks for all the praise.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

No, I didn't forget what I said about fishing with hand grenades. I always say that or a variation on that idea. It is fun. And high explosives can solve a myriad of social problems if well placed. Hand grenades are really quite persuasive items. Oh and if you are trying to verbally intimidate me, you can forget it. If drill instructors in the USMC commissioning program I went through couldn't do it, you certainly can't. You pathetic little lib pantie boy. Your shit has a maximum effective range of 0 meters with me. Knowing that twisted little fucks like you don't like me reaffirms everything I already know to be true about the universe. Good luck getting your “president” to come clean and show his documentation. That will be the day. Pathetic. Oh yeah. This again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBdUvLzdH_M&feat…


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Oh, I see now. By the way you keep going back to your favorite subject of being buggered, you aren't just a monkey fucker. You are a fudge packer and a peeter puffer as well. Charming.

Sorry about the mis-use of your ghetto slang. I hope I didn't offend any of your “butt buddies” of color. We White people prefer to say we were “insulted”, “disrespected” or “demeaned” rather than something like “dis” or “dissed” or whatever it is supposed to be. Is it in the Oxford English Dictionary?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

The gibberish you mention at the end concerns a one year old or older person whose birth was not previously registered. And that law expired before Hawaii became a state.

Obama's birth was registered 4 days after he was born. He in no way falls under the auspicses of that outdated law.

The rest of your gibberish is just yet more evidence, as if further evidence was needed, that you're a total fucking loser. Thanks for bringing your A game, randypuppy!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

I never praised you. You just cannot read.

Nor do you understand anything about burden of proof or legal standing.

Nor can you read. There is no longer a paper original. Original documents were put into electronic form in 1998. Original vital records are not allowed to be released, pursuant to Hawai'ian state law.

Tenth Amendment and all that, randypuppy, sure you know about that, don't you?

Tell you what. I won't shut the fuck up. But nor will I ask you to do so. I have way too much fun pointing out what a total fucking loser you are, randypuppy!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

Verbally intimidate you? You throw around nonsense about monkeys. Why would I need to do anything ELSE to intimidate you? You're clearly afraid of your own shadow.

And the idea that YOU could be a Marine, or even stand up to one day of dealing with a drill instructor, is even funnier than when you try to get all serious and angry.

You can't even spell “panty.” Why would I expect you to be able to debate anyone?

When you have the law, randypuppy, pound the law.

When you have the facts, pound the facts.

When you have neither, pound the table.

If you just exercise a bit more, and stop fingering your own asshole, you'll be able to pound the table like a big boy without passing out from the effort.

Total fucking loser.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

So what did you think about the Kenyan ambassador to the United States as he happily informed us that not only was Barry born in Kenya but that they are probably going to build a shrine or monument there? If he claims to have a Hawaiian birth certificate saying he was born in Hawaii, it is either a forgery or he is just lying. And so are the officials in Hawaii. There is no good reason to not allow access to it otherwise. Randpuppy. Hm. I like it. Makes me sound sorta cute and cuddly. But you really need to find something besides “fucking loser” to call me. It's really getting boring. Use your inordinately filthy little mind to come up with something more, well, interesting and yet at the same time insulting. Or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBdUvLzdH_M&feat


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

Oh but there are paper originals. Call them and ask them. I was told in an e-mail just Friday that the paper originals are all still “stored safely in our vault” by someone with the initials KD. Google Janice Okubo and see what she said about the original paper. Changed her story again. So yes, it is there and I'll just bet that they would break with their policy and let the “President of the United States” have a copy of the original long form for release if he authorized such. Are you saying he doesn't have that kind of authority? I wonder why he won't do that. Oh yeah, its because of this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBdUvLzdH_M&feat

Isn't it?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

If you had the balls to talk to people in person the way you do on these comment threads, I would bet that you would be getting your ass kicked on a regular basis. Total fucking pussy.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

What would you know about White people. You either aren’t one or you are just a sorry fucking excuse for one. Total waste of protoplasm.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

You’re too dumb to figure out whether I’m white?

My god. You’re dumber than I first supposed.

And younger, too.

When you post your address, be sure to ask your mother if you’re allowed to open the door when the doorbell rings yet.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

Take your pick from the list below, fuckwit…You're too stupid to read randypuppy correctly.

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Birthers are racist.

For those who say birthers aren't racist, I present here a few quotes from Randwulf. They all appeared on one 109 post thread. I haven't bothered to look at any of his racist comments made in other threads, like the one with 2,869 comments. If you fuss about it someone will compile a master list including comments from others as well, and prove you that much MORE wrong.

Oh, and he also gives away birther philosophy. So this is a Birther Rosetta Stone. Every other word after this sentence is a direct quote of Randwulf, and the last quote is a nod to Florida Christian, so enjoy!

“I think he is an Indonesian wetback, an illegal alien in every sense of the word.” [posted twice on same thread, days apart]

“Monkeys are experts on where to find nuts. Aren't they ALFTURD?”

“Monkeyf@cker.”

“Yes like when you call me a “racist”. Turnabout is fair play MONKEYF@CK!”

“But, its all good. Laugh away. Eat bananas and fling pooh! The monkeys can never run the zoo for very long before more advanced primates must move back in, hose down all the $hit and restore order. Looking forward to that!!”

“Wack-a-doodle? Hmm is that some new kind of mongrel breed or something? Why don't you guys run one of them for office! Oh and this time, make sure he has all his records, so we don't have to go through all this again.”

“I don't remember mentioning race at all, so it is you “making it clear” that I must harbor “racist” sentiments.”

“Man have I got a list of who's been naughty and who's been nice. Got ammo?”

[Birther Philosophy revealed below!]

“Whatever they have, we want to see it. We won't stop until we have it. Argument over it is pointless. The original documents will tell all. And then we will go for all the rest of the documents that he refuses to release.”

[Florida Christian Alert!]

“This whole sick episode would have been laid to rest long ago if…”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Post your email. You won't, because you're lying.

Tenth Amendment. President doesn't get to ignore it.

He does, however, get to ignore you.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

Give me your address. Post it here. I'll bring a video camera to the front door so that we can see the urine leaking out from under your petticoats.

I post under my real name and I gave out my California bar number when asked.

You are the total fucking loser. I like pussy too much to use that glorious name on you. Fuckwit.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:34 am

What Obama is hiding is that he was born a dual-citizen at best & his Kenyan father was biracial(part Arab which is caucazoid). The age of majority in the U.S. in 1961 was 21yr & his mother had to be at least 19 to grant natural-born status(she was 18). Too bad he gave up any U.S. citizenship when he was adopted by his flakey mother's 2nd husband & became Indonesian Barry Soetoro. Grandma & Grandpa Dunham in Hawaii were eventually saddled with the little reject and made lemonade. Then he apparently attended three colleges in the U.S as a foreign student or do you think he is just hiding poor grades. Don't you wonder who payed for his college? They were not the kind of schools most people can afford.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 5:59 am

Here's randypuppy, 2 weeks ago. I present it for your educational benefit, so that you can see how a fine upstanding 54 year old Marine military officer comports himself.

Also because randypuppy's own words make him look worse than mine ever could.

Anyway, here's the little monkey-fondling scamp:

“Wow. Well, I may have to re-think my earlier assertion that I am (or was) a “good American”. After reading all of this drivel today, I am totally convinced that it's all a lost cause. What a bunch of TV inspired SMARTA$$ES. American is done. At least 52% doomed. The monkey majority is now running the zoo. What made the US a great nation is gone. What has always been it's main weakness now is a dominant force. You're all (or at least 52%) brain-washed main-stream-media zombies. All you can see is your stupid little Demican/Republicrat world. You are all (DEMS and REPUBS) controlled by forces you can't see and don't understand. Just a bunch of stupid Goyim. You really don't deserve a country any more. Go ahead. Self destruct. Whatever. There's no way to fix it. You're fat. You're stupid. You're ugly. You're misbegotten and badly bred. You have no morals. You have no courage. You have no work ethic. Your kids can't read. And if they could, they'd read garbage. They don't know math. They don't know science. They know no real history. They only know how to dress like “gangsta” and talk jive. They are filled with “political correctness” though. Great. Fine. The end.

Rome took a couple of centuries to go from a world super power to a decadent, powerless, mish-mash shithole. We (or you rather) will accomplish the same feat in a couple of decades. I secede. I don't want anything to do with you mongrel, perverts. Just keep printing up that funny money and throwing it around like idiots. More national debt will only hasten the decline. You all deserve the lying, crooked and evil government you have allowed to be created here. And now you can just sink into the $hit with it. If you listen very closely, you can hear the Gods, and the rest of the world laughing. Disgusting monkeys.” –Randwulf, 2 weeks ago

Ain't he something? Can you “hear the Gods, and the rest of the world laughing?” Who are these “Gods,” randypuppy? Do any of them live in your washing machine?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 5:51 am

Some food for thought concerning the notion that all the officials who have confirmed the COLB's authenticity are “corrupt” and “in on the conspiracy….”

If we assume the birthers are correct, then government officials in any or perhaps all of the following places are in on the conspiracy to hide President Obama's true birthplace:

Hawai'i, Kenya, California, Massachusetts, Illinois, and Washington, D.C.

These co-conspirators are a heterogeneous mix of people from different political parties and socioeconomic strata.

You have the Republican Governor of Hawai'i, Linda Lingle. You've got Kenyan goat-herders sitting around Sarah Obama and “Bishop” Ron McRae. And everyone in between.

There is an obvious flaw in the logic supporting the birthers' “corrupt officials” argument.

It goes back to the heterogeneity of the population of co-conspirators.

Take Linda Lingle, for example. She is the Governor. She has a staff. Some of them have access to her conversations, writings, and meetings. Some of them have to be in on it, as well. Those people, who signed up to work for a Republican Governor, probably don't have lust for Obama in their hearts.

One of them, by now, would have reached out to someone in the media, perhaps even by anonymously leaking it, with the information necessary to prove the conspiracy exists and Obama was really born on foreign soil.

You wouldn't even have to give away the full answer. Just a hint. Believe me, the right wing would follow the trail to the bitter end, like the dhole chasing Mowgli to the Bee-People.

But you could make MILLIONS for yourself and be a hero to racist white people all throughout the country, if you just slipped a copy of a document proving there's a conspiracy afoot into your briefcase as you're locking up the office one Thursday evening. No one would know it was you. And if they did? So what! You've got millions of dollars and hundreds of 2nd Amendment loving patriots willing to provide you free personal security around the clock.

Take the Kenyan goat herders. Sarah Obama didn't say she saw Obama being born. Or did she? There were other people in that village. Surely some are as old as she is. Is it not possible that one of those older people would also remember having been present at the birth of the world's most famous black man?

Can one of those people not be coaxed into sitting down in some courtroom and saying a few words? Failing that, are they impervious to offers of compensation to tell their story to Sean Hannity? Do they not have dire and urgent need of everything from clean water to Turkish bath towels to food that didn't grow in sand to a house that is somewhere besides this GOD AWFUL FUCKING VILLAGE?

Is Sean Hannity not willing to pay $1,000,000 for this information? I guarantee you that Rupert Murdoch is. In fact, I bet you he'd sell you Sean Hannity for that information.

You can follow this out with the officials who know about his college records, or his law school records, or his law firm records, or his elective office records. Are NONE of those people in foreclosure right now? Are they all Democrats?

Do crabs sit atop one another contentedly in barrels now?

So it doesn't make sense. Too many cooks spoil the broth. Too many co-conspirators in too many political parties in too many continents with too many individualized desires and vulnerabilities spoils the conspiracy theory.


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