McCain Campaign Investigated, Dismissed Obama Citizenship Rumors

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Friday, July 24, 2009 at 8:38 am
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) during his presidential campaign (WDCpix)

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) during his presidential campaign (WDCpix)

In the final months of the 2008 presidential race, Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) campaign learned of a lawsuit filed in Pennsylvania that asked the state to strip Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) of the Democratic nomination on suspicion that he was not an American citizen. The complaint for declaratory and injunctive relief was filed by Phil Berg, a former deputy state attorney general who left government in 1990 for a series of gadfly political campaigns. His last round of notoriety had come when he filed RICO complaints against George W. Bush, Saddam Hussein and multiple members of the Bush administration for “accountability” for the 9/11 attacks. Still, Berg’s complaint had gotten glancing local media attention, and the Democratic National Committee’s counsel had filed a motion to dismiss it. One lawyer who was doing some work for the campaign was tasked with reading Berg’s lawsuit and gauging its chances of success.

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Image by: Matt Mahurin

“The conversation was along the lines of ‘this is idiotic, but explain to me why,’” said the lawyer, who spoke under condition of anonymity to TWI. “I looked at whether the lawsuit was going to be dismissed. I said yes.”

Berg’s main problem was the one that has bedeviled the small, but growing, number of lawyers and amateur attorneys who have filed frivolous lawsuits against President Obama on the “question” of his American citizenship. He and they have run up against the doctrine of standing, which requires plaintiffs to prove that they have been or will be harmed by the law that they’re challenging. Like the people who challenged McCain’s citizenship in 2008 and 2000, or the people who challenged Dick Cheney’s right to run for vice president because he, like George W. Bush, resided in Texas, “birther” plaintiffs have failed again and again to get their cases heard because they lack standing.

“We monitored the progress of these lawsuits against the Obama campaign,” said Trevor Potter, a Washington attorney who served as general counsel to the 2008 and 2000 McCain presidential campaigns. “The McCain campaign faced a series of lawsuits like this, too, alleging that he could not be president because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Both campaigns took the position that these plaintiffs lacked standing.”

But the flawed conception of the many “birther” lawsuits, coupled with the inexperience and foul-ups of “birther” lawyers, have only fed the frenzy over Obama’s legitimacy to serve as president of the United States. A survey of the lawsuits filed against Obama reveals a reliance on widely debunked rumors, bogus stories sourced back to web sites, affidavits from “experts” who refuse to provide credentials or even their real names, and frequent and blatant misunderstandings of basic constitutional law. The dismissal of “birther” lawsuits has allowed conspiracy theorists to believe that the information in those suits is accurate–a belief that manifests itself in the emails, phone calls, and town hall meeting rants that have pushed the theories into the mainstream media and the halls of Congress.

While they ruled out any chance of the “birther” lawsuits holding up in court, lawyers for the McCain campaign did check into the rumors about Obama’s birth and the assertions made by Berg and others. “To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations,” said Potter. “We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state’s Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance.”

“Birther” lawyers and bloggers, who gained an unexpected prominence in the mainstream media, have consistently denied Hawaii’s own records of Obama’s birth. They have also built up a corpus of information which, they argue, would invalidate Obama’s claim on the White House even if he was born in the United States. These rumors, and the inability of “birther” lawyers to test them in court, have proven pervasive enough to fuel the conspiracy theories.

After the DNC requested a dismissal of Berg’s lawsuit, he responded in a Sept. 29, 2008 filing that cited numerous Internet rumors and incorrect citations of American and international law. Berg cited “Wikipedia Italian version” and “Rainbow Edition News Letter” as evidence that Obama had not been clear about which hospital he was born in; he alleged that Obama must have been adopted by Lolo Soetoro, the Indonesian man who married Obama’s mother when the future president was five years old, because he attended elementary school in that country. Because a contemporary school record referred to Obama as “Barry Soetoro” and listed his nationality as “Indonesian,” Berg argued that there was “absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained ‘natural born’ status.”

“That’s just completely wrong,” said Mitzi Torri, an Arizona-based immigration lawyer. Torri pointed to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which sets a high bar for renunciation of American citizenship. According to the INA, an American can only forfeit his citizenship if he commits treason, if he makes a “formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state,” or if he becomes a citizen of another country “upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent.”

“Berg wants to say,” said Torri, “that this document from a school in Indonesia, which has no signature, which has no standing whatsoever, is more important than Obama’s birth certificate or our immigration law.”

Berg’s filings made other claims that have shown up in anti-Obama lawsuits and in the proliferation of “birther” Website. One relies on an audio tape of Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama, who lives in Kenya, being goaded into saying (through a translator) that the future president was born in Kenya before quickly correcting herself. (A doctored version of this tape, which cuts off before the retraction, is posted on YouTube.) Another claim: Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, when it was illegal for an American to do so, suggesting that he used a non-American passport. The problem is that there never was any such ban.

“We have no record of any travel ban between America and Pakistan during that period or since,” said Noel Clay, a spokesman for the State Department.

“We got that from someplace,” Berg told TWI on Thursday. In an email, he added his paralegal was “reviewing” his files on Pakistan. Yet the false claim appears in Orly Taitz’s lawsuit on behalf of perennial presidential candidate Alan Keyes, which argues that Obama visited Pakistan “when entrance to Pakistan was banned to Americans, Christians and Jews,” proof that he gave up his American citizenship.

In October 2008, when Berg v. Obama et al was dismissed for lack of standing, the attorney told sympathetic reporters that the DNC had “admitted” the truth about Obama’s citizenship by not rebutting his claims. Joseph Sandler, who filed motions to dismiss Berg’s case and other Obama citizenship lawsuits as general counsel, explained why claims like these are never debunked by lawyers for the president.

“When you file a motion to dismiss, to try to get the case thrown out before any factual inquiry is made, the facts that the plaintiffs put into their complaint are assumed to be true,” said Sandler. “You have to show that even if the facts were true, they don’t have a case.”

As a result of that, extremely questionable theories and “facts” have become linchpins of ‘birther’ theories. ‘Birthers’ who refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth often cite the expertise of “Dr. Ron Polarik,” a self-described “expert in computer graphics” who maintains a blog at Townhall.com and has recorded a video, in which his face and voice are blurred, explaining how the image was “forged” with Adobe Photoshop. “Polarik” submitted an affidavit in support of Orly Taitz’s Keyes case that is signed “XXXXXXXXXXX,” making it inadmissible.

“If it ever comes down to it,” explained Gary Kreep, another lawyer for Keyes, “we’ll use his real name.”

Some anti-Obama claims take the issue entirely out of the hands of the president or Hawaii officials. Carl Swensson, a conservative activist from Georgia, has organized “Citizens’ Grand Juries” that have indicted the president for treason. Mario Apuzzo, a New Jersey attorney, has sued Obama on the grounds that he never was, and never could be, a “natural born” citizen. Both men pass over precedent for “The Law of Nations,” the 1758 treatise by the 18th century French scholar Emerich de Vattel. In one translation, de Vattel writes that “the natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” That’s enough for some Obama ‘birthers’ to say that Obama might be a citizen of Kenya–as one constituent of Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) put it–but he cannot be a natural born citizen of the United States. “It’s what the founding fathers used,” explained Swensson.

Constitutional scholars consider this a dubious argument at best. “The framers of the 14th Amendment thought about this,” explained Elizabeth Wydra, chief counsel for the Constitutional Accountability Center. “They wanted to make sure that the children of slaves who were brought here illegally, slaves who were brought into this country after the end of the slave trade, would be citizens.”

Apuzzo is not convinced. He argued that the founders wrote the phrase “natural born citizen” for a reason; to make sure that no one with “blood ties” to another country could become president. He speculated what might happen if Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.), whose parents were Indian, became president. “India is a nuclear power. Here comes the president, who says we have to go in and attack Pakistan. Are we doing that because we are defending India’s interests? You just don’t know. You can’t have Constitutional rule if you allow this.”

Because of the dismissal tactics used by lawyers for the president, John McCain, and both political parties, believers in these various theories and readings of the Constitution argue that they have never been proven wrong. Although Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) explained his support of a House bill that would require copies of birth certificates from presidential candidates by saying it would “put all this to rest,” the very frivolity and obscurity of the challenges to Obama suggest the beginning of a conspiracy theory that will never be debunked to the satisfaction of its believers.

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Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

You are correct. McCain’s candidacy was an exercise in egg shell walking. He was a pathetic candidate. In hindsight, I should have not voted for him based upon his ineligibility and just sat out the presidential election. If Arnold has no hope of becoming president (not that I would support him), so should McCain and Obama. McCain is the perfect example of someone who is a citizen but not a natural born citizen. Obama is a fraud and a liar. He was born in Kenya. The clock is ticking on his presidency. I was pleased that the left-wing attack dog Chris Matthews (he had just lambasted Rep. John Campbell about the Posey bill), give G. Gordon Liddy (the G man) a wide berth in discussing the Obama Certification of Live Birth (COLB). At the end of the segment, Matthews indicated that some confirming information as to Obama’s Hawaii birth would be forthcoming in the next couple of weeks. He then asked Liddy if he would apologize and retract his position that Obama is a usurper. Liddy said he would go on the air immediately and do his mea culpas. The question remains: will Matthews do likewise if the information were to confirm a Kenya birth? If so, then he should call for Obama’s immediate resignation. In your dreams.


Kilgore Trout
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

When ever I make a point on these blogs like this, I am called a sore loser, racist, kook, wing nut, birthers etc., because I do not come across as an Obama supporter.

No, it’s because people who question Obama’s citizenship *are* kooks and wingnuts. He has released a copy of the official Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii, and the responsible state official has vouched for the validity of that document. This is the exact same type of document that I used to get my US Passport, it is *the* official, certified document required by the government as proof of citizenship. End of story.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Careful Maddan, you sound sympathetic to the politician you hate. Blackmailed by his Demo-’rats’ handlers? So he has been manipulated into this position? Seriously wow, such concern for a person you consider a foreigner.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

President Obama does not have to bow and scrape and produce his long form birth certificate. He is a US citizen. But because he is a black US citizen, the “real Americans” that Palin talks about cannot accept him. Small minds,


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

What is your proof that he was born in another country? Do u know what a security clearence is? The F.B.I does a back ground ckeck on every president how did Obama slip thur/

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Lolly
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

The whole “Million dollars to defend against it” is more b.s. That number has been completely fabricated.


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

lol because you have to send lawyers to do work to tell these people to shut up that their claims have no standing. Lawyers arent free, even if you are defending your self from idiots with no basis for the claim.

Such a stupid argument.

You idiots are the only ones still harping about this, none of your defenders in the media can even handle a real conversation on the matter without being stumbled into an idiotic rant


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

Nothing says class like spewing lies about the President of your country.


Chad S
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

He’s trying to litigate the definition of natural born citizen. He’ll lose that also. Especially since it appears that he’s trying to claim that since no one has “confirmed” that he’s a natural born citizen, he must be barred from office. Thats absurd. No judge will entertain that. And they lose all credibility by bringing up the Sarah Obama conspiracy theory.

The law is clear, you can be a dual citizen at birth and be a natural born citizen. Thats as clear as it gets. This raises no legitimate cause to hear the case(especially since there’s no law backing it) and to review the documents. The birthers need a shred of proof that he wasn’t born in Hawaii. They have to yet to present it. Asking Obama to prove their negative isn’t proof.


KMD
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

Oh yeah, I never question McCain’s sensibilities or decisions, obviously he’s perfect, especially since he chose (or was forced to accept, both options speak volumes about the man) Palin as his running mate.

Riiight.

As far as why he’d raise it when his own was in question? Either he felt secure in the knowledge he could legally run, or he felt secure that pointing the light at Obama’s citizenship would effectively refocus the laser-eyebeam level paranoia elsewhere.

Either way, it’s not rocket science. And “lol” at the phrase “non-believer” – this is political bollocks, not the coming of Christ. It’s not an issue of faith, it’s an issue of common sense.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

If the McCain campaign had found anything that would have allowed them to credibly push this as an issue during the campaign they would have. Contrary to your deliberate misinterpretation of the article, McCain DID NOT raise this as an issue. He dug around to see if there was any dirt to be used to discredit Obama. When he didn’t find any, he moved on. Too bad nutjobs like you can’t do the same.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

Dear lord your ignorance is painful to behold.

You can’t even apply for a passport with that yellow-parchment gold-seal footprint thingie that looks so impressive and original to you. You have to request an official document from your state and they will issue a certification of live birth. What that will look like and what will be on that, will vary from state to state. For example, mine does not have footprints and DOES in fact look exactly like a photocopy made onto a sheet of normal, uncoarse, un-rough paper with a blue border on it albeit the paper is watermarked. It has an embossed seal and a stamp with date of issuance from the registrar which is the year 2007 (just like Obama’s). It’s so very plain looking. This “thing that looks like a normal piece of paper” is the ONLY document acceptable when applying for a passport. They practically laughed at me when I presented my old parchment with footprints on it at the post office. This plain paper photocopy looking thing is exactly what Obama was issued from his state, what has been examined in person by fact checking organizations, photos of itall over the net showing the embossed seal etc; what has been verified by the State of Hawaii itself. Your delusions are nobody’s problem but your own, but a quick remedy would be for you to call the Hawaii Dept of Heath yourself and ask them if your claims are accurate about their official documents..and argue with them about how you “know better.” Then get back to us how that goes for you.


Rob in Denver
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

First, Mario Puzo wrote THE GODFATHER, among other novels, and died in 1999.

Second, your beef with the government arguing that there is no constitutional obligation in these cases isn’t Obama’s doing. It’s that of the framers. Once the Office of President is filled — which it has been — only Congress has the power to do what birthers are attempting to do with these lawsuits.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

Your Doctor called and said to take your Med’s :-0


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

1) Yours is not “an orignal” it is a cute souvenir. It is not remotely acceptable as proof of citizenship when obtaining a federally issued passport.
2) Obama’s is real because it is the official document issued by the State of Hawaii to people born in Hawaii and it has been verified by them. All your parchment paper gold seal footprint spew and about how that constitutes “real proof” is pure b.s. and you’ve been called on it.

My official document, valid for obtaining a passport, has no gold seal. So you can just leave ALL OF THAT OUT of your argument, now, because you are repeatedly demonstrating you KNOW NOTHING about what you are saying. Because you are an ignorant hillbilly who has never even gone so far as to get a passport.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Thanks; I’d forgotten that.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

You mean the same WND that vouched for the veracity of the birth certificate last year?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

He HAS proven it; you’re simply a bowl of Fruit Loops.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

Beautifully ironic.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

Mcain did settle it, he had a team of lawyers look into it, they found nothing. Communism, you are so dumb, please explain what country Obama is “working for” and what he plans to gain from making the US a communist country.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

The birfers are such gullible rubes that I’m considering selling fake documents and pictures on eBay which claim to be “undeniable evidence” that Obama was born in Kenya. Who knows how much these freaks would pay for some obvious forgery, in the vain hope they’d have “The Proof!”


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Any idiot who thinks he/she has his/her ‘original’ birth certificate makes me wonder if they are mentally competent to discuss the issue.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

The photo copy of original birth certificate has been done. It was shown to G.Gordon liddy on hardball. DUMMY


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

Your comment is a perfect example of the ignorance of the birthers.

Obama senior was never a citizen of Indonesia, you’re confusing him with Obama’s step-father. When Obama was born, neither of his parents had ever been to Kenya. In fact, Anne Dunham had never left the country.

As the article states, the law says that you cannot relinquish your citizenship unless you commit treason or formally renounce it, something Obama could not do when he was a child.

Since you don’t even know the basic facts of the situation, it’s no surprise that you believe this silly theory. This is what happens when you base your theory on someone’s blog.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

1. “a paper printout of something” what else would something be printed on, if not paper?????

2. Who is “they” that supposedly sealed up all the records???? I guess “they” did this in hopes that someone “they” didn’t even know was going to run for president one day?????

3. Military officers have not been allowed to discharge from duty(?) or ignore orders to go overseas. The instance you are referring to (because there has only been one) resulted from a volunteer deciding that he did not want to go. As in this case the nutjob had already been dismissed from going by the military (they didn’t want him either apparently) long before the suit. He purposely enlisted and then unenlisted within the 30 day window. Again facts please.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

Florida Christian you are in need of some serious help and meds because your paranoid beyond all belief and if not, then your an idiot!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

OK – so I am not a US citizen, but as an outsider looking in, I am totally baffled that this is even discussed. Why are people wasting time, effort and money to debate this crazy argument? The world, outside of the US, is rolling its eyes. We are supposed to look up to the US? Tell me how when this is the hot topic.


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Dear Christian—I suppose that you are a Holocaust denier. I seriously believe that you should keep posting every insane idea contained in your noggin on as many sites as possible. You should also become the “birther” poster girl.
Held up to the light of day, you are as goofy as it gets, and a real good example of what extremism produces. I pray that firearms are being kept from your person, and that someone is monitoring your medication.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

52novels,

I stand corrected. I should have said Mario Apuzzo Esq. my apologies.

You are right congress will have to action if it comes to that. Like I said I make no claims one way or another, I am not qualified to make that call.

We the people have the right to use the courts to obtain discovery and a fair ruling. I believe the courts can order congress to investigate or take action.

Going through the courts is how the people can keep the power of congress and the executive branch in check.

Best wishes,

Ken


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

Let us now see the Bush military record…why is that not shown in full form?


Beca
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

Dear imbecile ‘notsettled’, just because YOU do NOT want to acknowledge the obvious and the truth, does not mean that the rest of us “don’t know where he was born”. The world, except you small minded racist imbeciles, KNOW THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS INDEED BORN IN HAWAII. THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OF HAWAII HAS ALSO VERIFIED THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA INDEED WAS BORN IN HAWAII! Why would a Republican Governor lie about this?
Just for being so stupid, you should get your citizenship revoked (if you are even a citizen of this country, which I doubt)Get a life!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

have you seen his mothers passport? thought so! so you don’t know if she was a Indonesian citizen.also you cant have duel citizenship if you are an American citizen. so if i was you and thank God i am not i would use a different angle.


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Rob in Denver
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Actually, you best keep the legislative and the executive branches in check through the ballot. And Congress can start the impeachment process right now without a successful court case. As for Kerchner v. Obama, it really is warmed over Berg v. Obama. Expect it to get kicked, too.


Magdelena
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

LOL!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

Don’t forget that his father is actually Malcolm X. I always enjoyed that particular birther variant.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

The original claim from karela was:”the Republican Governor of Hawaii that she has seen it and that it is authentic”.

That’s contradicted by what you quote. You’ve got copy ‘n’ paste mastered, now try reading.


Jane
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Thomas Jefferson was one of the authors perhaps you could be more honest and pick up a book yourself before slamming someone else.
Authors of the US Constitution

A man named Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania was in charge of the committee to draft the final copy of the Constitution. Other men who had much to do with writing the Constitution included John Dickinson, Gouverneur Morris, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thomas Paine, Edmund Randolph, James Madison, Roger Sherman, James Wilson, and George Wythe. Morris was given the task of putting all the convention’s resolutions and decisions into polished form. Morris actually “wrote” the Constitution. The original copy of the document is preserved in the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.

Jacob Shallus who, at the time, was assistant clerk of the Pennsylvania State Assembly, and whose office was in the same building in which the Convention was held, was given the task of engrossing the Constitution prior to its being signed.

Here is more input from others:

* The U.S. Constitution is the work of several men, directly and indirectly. The three most notable persons whose work influenced the Constitution but who were not involved in its writing are Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Thomas Paine. The group of men involved in the writing of the Constitution are generally referred to as the “framers”.

* No single individual wrote it. Twelve of the thirteen states sent delegates to the Constitutional Convention to revise the Articles of Confederation and the entire convention worked on it. After the political questions were hashed out a ‘committee of style’ was formed to put the ideas into formal words. It is generally accepted that Gouverneur Morris created most of the actual wording included in the final draft from the Committee of Style.

* Primary Author: James Madison (Drafted the Virginia Plan)
* The original copy of the document is preserved in the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

Agreed. Otherwise these rumors will continue.


Doubtful
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

LOL, another lie!

There is no doubt that Okubo said just what Weigel quoted her as saying. People born outside the country simply do not get COLBs saying that they were born in Honolulu.

You then concocted your own trumped-up version of what Weigel said. It was a lie, and of course Okubo refused to confirm it.

You’re not fooling anyone with this BS, you know!


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ffakr
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

Prove you were born in the U.S. to someone who discounts your birth certificate, your driver’s license, your passport AND a vetting by the Secret Service and your presidential opponent’s researchers. At that point, there is nothing you could say that would convince someone other than a trip back in time and an invitation in to see the actual birth.
Of course Obama has provided MORE than this. We have an official certification from the appropriate office in Hawaii, we have a statement from the Republican Governor of Hawaii. We have two birth announcements in local Hawaiian news papers.

Tell wise one. What would put this to rest for you?
The answer is nothing. No one in the US could prove any more clearly that they were born in the US to anyone unless the doubter were in the delivery room. I suspect their hatred of Obama would probably be strong enough to rework their memories anyway. If Obama’s parents took video of his wife driving to the hospital and continuously filmed to the delivery, someone would claim the film was doctored.

Obama has bent over backward and proved beyond a doubt that he is a citizen. Could you get an affidavit from the Governor of your birth state?

This is all fueled by hatred. I personally believe that hatred is partial based on racism and partially based on the fear ginned up for decades by the Republicans.
The RNC would rather see a civil war than Democratic control.


CIH8U2
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf
This is from the Official Goverment Site for the State of Hawaii.
I believe it is you who needs to stop lying.


Kilgore Trout
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

You may not agree with the arguments, but a photo copy from Hawaii isn’t enough to “prove” he was born in Hawaii.

The document that was posted on the web was an original COLB from the State of Hawaii, the authenticity of which has been verified by the director of the responsible state department.

The point is they won’t release his birth records.

He did, see above.

There is no evidence to prove he was born in Hawaii.

Other than the official document provided by the state of Hawaii, the same one that can be used to apply for a US passport. In other words, absolute evidence.

I have an original, typed, signed birth certificate from 50 years ago. The government would not accept it when I applied for my passport, they wanted the state issued COLB, just like the one that Obama has.

You people are really clueless.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

He was an American citizen..he has an American passport. When he got his Presidential passport you think that the CIA and the Security Department never gave him a back ground check…? And what do you mean pass ports? We only get one.

Oh and brainiac…he traveled from the US to Pakistan. It was a trip with a college friend. He was only in Indonesia for four years and left there at the age of 6.


Chris H.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Your first comment is incorrect. If you were to print out this photoshopped piece of shit, the passport issuer would send you home. So, first of all, posting incorrect info to try to sound authoritative.

Secnd point about the truth, seems to apply more to you based on #1 above.

The rest of it is ignorant drivel, only worth clarification in that this is for many (and there are MANY and growing) people, a matter of constitutional law, and not personal bias. You however seem to be pretty satisfied blidly accusing many around you of racism,etc– If anything you seem to destroy your own credibility while at the same time lending credence to those who pursue this issue because of a love for the rule of the law of our nation, rather than blind allegiance to the office of the presidency.


Lava Lee Pyre
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

LOL. No matter how many times you write out the facts of the matter in clear, concise terms, some birther moron is waiting in the wings, looking for the smallest detail to pounce on.


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Paul
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

“Obamas mother gave a sworn affidavit that she witnessed his birth in Kenya! ”

Think about this sentence you wrote, Mr. “H.” If you cannot see how stupid it is, you should ask your handlers to put you back into your straitjacket.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

Judas Guttenberg..

Translation: I can’t believe this Biracial man of African-Caucasian Descent is My [President]

I Will do all I can to keep up this Ridiculous Theory along with other Hate Filled, Bitter and Hateful [Whites]

Pre-Campaign [2012] is in Effect

Motto-Credo: “Whites Only In the White House”
—————-
You Low Life Sea Slug !!


Mayree
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

David, you write and write, You know in your heart of hearts that something is dreadfully wrong in this matter of Obama's eligibility> For it all to go away, all he has to do is release his birth certificate, college records to show he wasn't a foreign student, and take responsibility for a fraudlent SELECTIVE SERVICE registration. As a writer , why don't you write an article that has the headline PLEASE MR. PRESIDENT, RELEASE YOUR RECORDS SO THESE IDIOTS GO AWAY. John Mc Cain is a goofy old bastard that brought his honor to a knife fight with Obama and got gutted. Mc Cain didn't want to be seen as a racist, he was beyond just talking about a racist and bigot that was ssObama's minister for 20 years. Roland Martin made a fool of himself last night on Dobbs, he made the comment ” we have 39 million people who still thinks the president is a Muslim, ” I wonder why? He goes to a muslim country and says ” American is no longer a christain nation, then goes to Cario and tells the world , America is one of the larger muslim countries, (39th) Maybe if Obama didn't act like a muslim ( THE DESTRUCTION OF CAPITALISM, THE RISE OF ISLAM ) the theme of the Islam convention last week in Chicago. ONe would have to be short of being an idiot not to see that he is a muslim, raised a muslim , just lied to become the president. David, you are pathetic, can't you just focus on forcing the president to release his records.; Or are you as desperate as Roland Martin was last night on Dobbs. The truth about the presidnet will come out.


Mayree
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

David, you write and write, You know in your heart of hearts that something is dreadfully wrong in this matter of Obama's eligibility> For it all to go away, all he has to do is release his birth certificate, college records to show he wasn't a foreign student, and take responsibility for a fraudlent SELECTIVE SERVICE registration. As a writer , why don't you write an article that has the headline PLEASE MR. PRESIDENT, RELEASE YOUR RECORDS SO THESE IDIOTS GO AWAY. John Mc Cain is a goofy old bastard that brought his honor to a knife fight with Obama and got gutted. Mc Cain didn't want to be seen as a racist, he was beyond just talking about a racist and bigot that was ssObama's minister for 20 years. Roland Martin made a fool of himself last night on Dobbs, he made the comment ” we have 39 million people who still thinks the president is a Muslim, ” I wonder why? He goes to a muslim country and says ” American is no longer a christain nation, then goes to Cario and tells the world , America is one of the larger muslim countries, (39th) Maybe if Obama didn't act like a muslim ( THE DESTRUCTION OF CAPITALISM, THE RISE OF ISLAM ) the theme of the Islam convention last week in Chicago. ONe would have to be short of being an idiot not to see that he is a muslim, raised a muslim , just lied to become the president. David, you are pathetic, can't you just focus on forcing the president to release his records.; Or are you as desperate as Roland Martin was last night on Dobbs. The truth about the presidnet will come out.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

People have questions about the content of the Long Form Birth Certifcate. This letter only states that the director has “personally” seen and verified.

The reason the official birth certificate it is prohibited to be release to others because Obama sealed it. It is on him unless he is suited in court to release it.

There is no point arguing something neither party can proof or disprove if the question is not the COLB or other online copies. If there is a question of the facts..you check the original facts not a copy.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Polonius, fool.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

That’s Domesday Book Retard…

Read and Grow…


HammerNH
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

Note the careful wording – “…on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

What it does NOT say is Obama’s place of birth is verified. What hospital? What attending physician? The long form will have that.
Additionally Hawaii is a (surprise!) a chain of islands. Births (especially as far back as 1961) could be delayed in being reported.
So O’Dumbo could have been born in Kenya as his Grandmother says and momma gets him to Hawaii some time later & ‘reports’ the birth. Hawaii (at that time & perhaps still) would issue the COLB on the basis of the ‘report’. No way to verify.

Same with the paper – they accept notices from anyone. So ‘legitimizing’ BHO sr.’s bastard son would be easy enough.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

That’s Domesday Book Retard…

Read and Grow…


Dr.Dan
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

Nobody’s kept quiet, and – as has been verified many, many times – independent experts have seen the original birth certificate and testified under oath that it’s okay. The reason the story is still around is that facts and testimony and reason are of no interest to the people who sell this patently absurd and repeatedly disproven nonsense to gullible fools.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

Actually, the Republican Governor of Hawaii swears by the birth certificate his state issued.

Not that a Birther would believe the truth staring right in front of them.


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Oh how sorry I am for the BIRTHERS when MY SON, a half white, quarter indian and quarter black man begins his run for the PRESIDENCY in or around 2029. He will be 49 years old then, JUST RIGHT for the President of the United States. So I am Jamaican, his great grand father is Scottish, the others are Indian and Welsh – what are you going to DO?

HE WAS BORN IN ILLINOIS – and I have the certificate to prove it. He is fairer skinned than Obama, and without his hair, might ( MIGHT) pass for white. Will you be happy then?? But the mother (me) IS BLACK! WHUT YOU GONNA DO? WHAT YOU GONNA DO??


labman57
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Sigh…

So much anger, so little time. The birth certificate has been handled, examined, and verified as authentic.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


labman57
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

Exactly.
When I applied for a U.S. passport a couple of years ago, I ran into difficulty because the federal government did not recognize my original hospital birth certificate as an official record of birth–it lacked the necessary embossed, notarized seal from the local county.

So I had to apply to the state government for an official, notarized record of birth, which required filling out forms, paying fees, supplying other documentation, and waiting 8 weeks for them to confirm the validity of the information with the local county records office.

So my official birth certificate, the one that the federal government recognizes, is the same type that Obama has in Hawaii.


Chad S
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 1:50 pm

Its always hilarious that the birthers tards are always trying to prove a negative. No matter what is released to them, they'll claim its a forgery or part of the conspiracy.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Dang, it’s like talking to a wall with you faith-based dimwits. He has produced more documentation than any other president has because you have a problem with non-white people being as Uhmerrican as you.

I say we all stand up and pledge allegiance to this great nation of ours!


kenthewaterproofer
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

Justice is an impartial discovery, hearing and ruling of the evidence.

The Kangaroo Court of the media and the blogisphere is not the place to judge the accusations.

To me this case is not about a 48 year old piece of paper but our Constitutional Right to petition the government for a redress of our grievances.

Obama's defense has been that the government has no constitutional obligation to hear the grievance and that ordinary people have no standing in the courts.

I make no claims one way or another in regards to his eligibility. I have read the arguments on both sides. The evidence requested by the plaintiffs is simple to produce. Their opposition is not an honorable position.

One would think that Obama would honor his oath to defend the constitution, face his accusers and make his case for the good of the country.

When ever I make a point on these blogs like this, I am called a sore loser, racist, kook, wing nut, birthers etc., because I do not come across as an Obama supporter. Oh well, the right to petition our government for a redress our grievances and to be heard and judged impartially is something I will give my life to defend.

God Bless you and your families.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

“forensic evidence by liscensed (sic) profession document examiners”
——————————————————————————————————
I fear those words do not mean what you think they do.

Please tell us exactly WHAT forensic evidence you refer to and by which “liscensed (sic) professional document examiners”…Oh, and don’t even try to rely on the anonymous crap written by the internet personality who calls himself “Polarik”


Chad S.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

There's nothing wrong with petitioning the government through the courts to address grievances you may have. But when the state of Hawaii and their republican governor confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii as he claims, you're going to need some hard evidence that Obama and the state of Hawaii are lying to force a hearing. Just demanding that your questions be answered isn't enough.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

But Eyck, they are patriots! They want their country back! Is that so bad?

I say we all stand and pledge allegiance and take a polygraph to prove we’re american!


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

YES! And with a Sarah Palin-Michele Bachmann Double-Down on Crazy ticket!


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

So, all those racist comments and signs at the McPain-Failin rallies were part of the eggshell strategy? Interesting.

What would the circus have looked like if they really went nuts?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

Oh! The horror!!! Those evil Democrats! Who could survive in a world without war where we are all forced to have health care! lol. This was a hilarious post…only topped off by the suggestion of Palin/Plummer ’12. Comedy Central is probably taking applications. You should look into it.


SPECOPS
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

The only reason this is a issue is because some of right can”t stand the fact that a Black man is in the White House


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

I am not going to resort to ad hominem attacks. I would just like to point out that the 14th Amendment says “citizen” it does not say “natural born citizen.” The term of art “natural born citizen” only appears in the constitution when discussing the qualification of the POTUS and the VPOTUS. So the 14th does not obviously obviate the qualification in Article II. Also, all of the cases in this area are citizenship cases. There has never been a presidential qualification case wherein “natural born citizen” has been defined. We simply do not know how the SCOTUS will apply the term “natural born citizen” to a dual citizen. It might mean, as you suggest, anyone who is a citizen at birth. Or it might mean someone who is only a US citizen at birth, and would exclude anyone born with dual citizenship, dual allegiances and divided loyalty. We just do not know. And I am certainly not going to call someone an idiot for think one or the other interpretation is correct.


LOL @ BIRTHTARDS
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

You lost. You old man and clown woman lost. Accept this and go home.


MADDAN
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

Obama

Why spend a million dollars in legal fees to prolong the question when you can show the real long form certified birth certificate already in your possession and end the issue. Just because you are President, you are still expected to obey the law. Nixon (White guy) is a good example if you took a America history class.


jojorae
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

The POTUS' cannot release the original birth certificate by law it has to stay in Hawaii with the Dept. of Health. Copies have been released to numerous news papers and websites. As long as people want to use this faux argument to hide behind so they can express there racism and hatred this will be around.

Mayee this was never a christian nation. It was founded by many that were christians but they chose wisely to keep the government secular. Read the Treaty of Tripoli which was ratified by congress in 1797
“Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

Read the letters of Franklin, Jefferson and others and you will see that most of the founding fathers felt it was best to keep government and religion seperate.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

I lost count of the number of faulty claims and misquotations in Mayree’s comment above.

However, here’s a few:
“…brought his honor to a knife fight with Obama and got gutted…”
(the usual aphorism is “brought a knife to a gun fight”);
“…goes to a muslim country and says, ‘American (sp) is no longer a christain (sp) nation, then goes to Cario (sp) and tells the world, America is one of the larger muslim countries…”
(the true quotes are: 1) “we have a very large Christian population — we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values.” and 2) “And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there’s got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples.”

I hesitate to throw your words back at you, Mayree, but yes, you’d have to be short of being an idiot…to accept what YOU said instead of what the President actually really said, which was to acknowledge that there ARE considerable numbers of Christians AND Muslims AND Jews (and a lot of Buddhists, Wiccans, Druids, and atheists, too) in the United States/America.

I also lost count of the misspellings… :) …a common problem amongst “birthers” and other wingnuts.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Suhweet!


Jaynez
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

Did you demand to see the long form birth certificate of previous presidential candidates and candidates? No? Why not? Because they were white? You won't admit it, but that is most definitely the reason.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Yeah, except Obama DID provide every thing he was required to provide. The only people screeching about it and making crap up to discredit him are the racists who can’t stand a president who isn’t all white.

He showed what he needed to show. It has been validated and revalidated. Get over it.


Eyck
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

kenthewaterproofer President Obama has produced his birth certificate and the state of Hawaii has confirmed it. The Republican Senator in Hawaii has confirmed it. There are 2 newspapers with birth announcements. Any bone headed moron would get it after all of this evidence. No more of this wasting the courts time. The Supreme Court ruled on it in December of 08. It's time for this crap to stop. Stupid, stupid people. You just can't stand that a black man is president. Get over it and grow a brain.


captainobvious1
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

Your “acts like a Muslim” comment makes about as little sense as something can. No “evidence” you give about him being a Muslim has ANYTHING to do with being a Muslim. Pathetic anti-Obama nut grasping at straws.

There is plenty of evidence showing Obama is a natural born US citizen and ZERO evidence even suggesting he wasn't born here. I have never seen Bush's birth certificate so should I assume UNTIL I see a physical copy of his birth records that he is a foreigner?

Again, nothing you said about Obama isn't insane ramblings of someone who just hates the President… nothing more.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Did you just suggest World Net Daily for “truth”? OMG! Hahahahahahahahahaahhahahhaah.


ricmarc
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

these people are nothing but fifth columnists.


CDJ
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

The only reason this is an issue is because most of the right can't stand the fact that a socialist is in the White House.

That, and the fact that if he actually was born in another country, he is not eligible to be president, as per the Constitution.


Lefty
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

Muslim is a religion not a nationality. The fact you can't grasp that lil bit of fact shows your prejudice and racial views are really the motive behind the whole is he eligible crap.

The truth has come out. The state of Hawaii has stated he was born there. Every case has been thrown out.

Relax, in 25-50 years you will be the minority and we promise to not treat you as you have treated us.


ricmarc
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

they do not want the birth certificate. they want the hospital record with the foot prints on it. as far as i know most people are not in possesion of those. president obama's birth certificate has more information on it than mine from indiana.


jeremyfive
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

Dear God, how can we make progress in the USA with such stupid morons as “birthers” among us? Dear God, help us–we're doomed.


Jaynez
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

I agree that we have the right to petition — but I also believe this should not be abused to the point of absurdity. Do you and others believe that if the President was born somewhere other than the United States, his parents decided upon his birth that they would need to falsify a birth certificate in Hawaii! What utter nonsense and a complete waste of money to continue this blatant racist attack.


captainobvious1
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

@ Mayree

Your post is a perfect example of the baseless anti-Obama rants that have become typical.

You offer no PROOF that Obama isn't a citizen or that he is a Muslim but instead present your gut feelings as evidence. You “having a feeling” that he is a Muslim who is ineligible to be president wont hold up in court.

Take your baseless HATE someplace else.


captainobvious1
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

@ Mayree

Your post is a perfect example of the baseless anti-Obama rants that have become typical.

You offer no PROOF that Obama isn't a citizen or that he is a Muslim but instead present your gut feelings as evidence. You “having a feeling” that he is a Muslim who is ineligible to be president wont hold up in court.

Take your baseless HATE someplace else.


ricmarc
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

you are a moron.


Bill
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

Why wasn't Bush Jr. asked to provide his birth certificate? Or Clinton, or Bush Sr., or Reagan, or Carter, or Ford, or Nixon? Hmmm, what's the obvious difference between President Obama and those that preceded him….strange this issue just cropped up this time around.

This is just another right wingnut tactic to divert attention away from the real problems our country faces- those they also refuse to address. It's ridiculous, sad and nothing more than moronic racial politics used by bigots who can't accept that we elected a person of color as president.


ricmarc
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

the evidence was produced and you are a moron.


CDJ
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

Please. If Will Smith was president, no one would question his citizenship. Get off your high horse.


ricmarc
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

you are not only a moron but an idiot. is this story linked to drudge?


CDJ
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Stay classy, ric.


Eyck
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

These birthers are nothing but wackjobs. They will never stop this so what's the point in blogging about it. It wouldn't matter if they had a picture of Aug 4 1961 newspaper with Obama's mother and father having sex on that day. Doesn't matter to them. They are non-thinking uneducated and ignorant morons. This is what they believe and no amount of evidence will deter them from thinking the way they want to. Twisted, warped, sick in the head people. You can't even insult them because they're too stupid to know they're being insulted by about 80% of the American population.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

A teensy bit of wisdom can be a dangerous thing when it is standing alone in a lunar landscape of a brain.


MADDAN
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

SPECOPS

There are many black US citizens would make an excellent president. We happen to have a weak minded black man with a soiled past who is being blackmailed by his Demo-rats handlers.


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

As long as this issue is being discussed by the GOP it makes them look like a bunch of kooks and this is a good thing for President Obama and the Democrats.. That is why Obama will not do anything to make this go away.

It is politically beneficial for him to have people see the GOP as nothing but political gad flies.


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captainobvious1
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

There has been an INCREDIBLE amount of evidence shown that he IS a citizen eligible to be President and there is NO evidence to the contrary.

Courts have heard the arguments enough to show that they have NO merit and the media has completely debunked the myth. The President going further is just giving a national platform to pathetic radical right wing fringe groups.


hyjanks
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

When a political party has no discernible, positive platform to run on that will appeal to the majority of voters, you get this: Find something, ANYTHING that will rile the base and get some Independents on your side.
This crap continues to this day with Sessions proclaiming Obama's health care plan as a Waterloo moment. Meantime, on the DixiePubs website (my new name for the Republican Party) the only thing they can offer on health care is–you guess it–tax breaks to pay for a plan.
Waterloo moment, indeed . . .


SethlandPony
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

Dear Birthers

Obama already presented his birth certificate to the people that matter. NO ONE gets an original copy of their birth certificate. If you go to the DMV, you bring your certificate of live birth, not your original birth certificate. He's the president (and legally, I might add), he doesn't have to do any more to prove his citizenship than he already has. If you had good evidence, you would have a case. But you don't. So deal with it and shut up.

The funny thing is, you don't even know what you would do if by some reversal of the planets that Obama was somehow president illegally. What then? Biden is president? Pelosi? Or maybe you think there will be a reelection and Sarah Palin will be our new president. LOL. What exactly is your plan of action besides being racist and frustrated?

Have fun looking like the stupidest people in the world.

Sincerely,
America


Keep it up
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:31 pm

I want this issue to be the number one thing the GOP talks about right up until election day…


kenthewaterproofer
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

Chad,

If you have time, read the legal documents for the case Kerchner vs. Obama at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/. I think that this case has the best chance of being heard soon. Mario Puzo is a competent attorney and the case and the blog is not being run like a three ring money making circus like similar operations.

The government lawyers said in their recent motion to dismiss, that the government has no constitutional obligation to hear the grievances of the citizens that hit me like a punch in the gut.

The government lawyers have not raised the vague statements made by Hawaiian officials as proof that the charges are bogus. Mario Puzo addresses the Statements by the Hawaiian officials.

I believe that there is legitimate cause for the court to hear the case and review the documents.

Respectfully,

Ken


Big Dave
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

Why should Obama respond to those fools, and dignify their lunatic lawsuits? If the Reich Wingers have learned anything about that man, they should understand that he won't be pushed where he doesn't want to go.
After all, the matter is a moot point now anyway. Obama is the President and that genie can't be put back in the bottle.
The reason that I know that Obama is a natural born citizen? Do you think that Hillary Clinton would have allowed him on the primary ballots if there was a chance in hell that he was ineligible for office?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

What would happen IF everyone commenting had to know by seeing for themselves and verification: how many comments would their be?
As for those who quote early founders not being qualified and try to equate them with Barry: this is 2009!
And no not all suits have been thrown out.
And ACORN is being prosecuted nation-wide: thus I suppose a lot of you defending something you cannot verify would defend them, too.
Amazing that we have l8-62 year olds as US Troops being systematically sacrificed on foreign soil each generation for this: and OPEN BORDERS USA Criminal Illegal Alien Invaders and drug runners and heathen breeders for auyto-welfare citizenship for birthing from womb to tomb now 8 EIGHT generations on the backs of the diminishing working citizens of generations as taxpayers. Keep defending your whims…see where you end up..
What a waste: compare the two keyboards who think they are cute versus someone giving their life for Y O U
Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them DO Unto You


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

“A love for the rule of law”? You’ve got to be kidding, right? Any problems with that during the Bush and Cheney National Nightmare? Eavesdropping sound familiar? Torture? Use of Motherland Security to spy on domestic groups? If you people had any sense of decency you would be ashamed of yourselves, like the rest of the world is.


metrowestmike
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

Mayree you need to go back and read the entire article again. For example:

“Berg’s filings made other claims that have shown up in anti-Obama lawsuits and in the proliferation of “birther” Website. One relies on an audio tape of Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama, who lives in Kenya, being goaded into saying (through a translator) that the future president was born in Kenya before quickly correcting herself. (A doctored version of this tape, which cuts off before the retraction, is posted on YouTube.) Another claim: Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, when it was illegal for an American to do so, suggesting that he used a non-American passport. The problem is that there never was any such ban.”

and…

“‘Birthers’ who refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth often cite the expertise of “Dr. Ron Polarik,” a self-described “expert in computer graphics” who maintains a blog at Townhall.com and has recorded a video, in which his face and voice are blurred, explaining how the image was “forged” with Adobe Photoshop. “Polarik” submitted an affidavit in support Orly Taitz’s Keyes case that is signed “XXXXXXXXXXX,” making it inadmissible.”

and, particularly troubling…

“Apuzzo is not convinced. He argued that the founders wrote the phrase “natural born citizen” for a reason; to make sure that no one with “blood ties” to another country could become president. He speculated what might happen if Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.), whose parents were Indian, became president. “India is a nuclear power. Here comes the president, who says we have to go in and attack Pakistan. Are we doing that because we are defending India’s interests? You just don’t know. You can’t have Constitutional rule if you allow this.”

This would mean the native americans are the only people with rights to be here, and we'll have to go back to the countries where we have “blood ties”. What country are you from Mayree? My “blood ties” are to Ireland.


MADDAN
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

Jaynez

Please stop playing the race card and answer the question why spend a million dollars when a $12.00 certified long form birth certificate from Hawaii would put an end to the question. It appears that you are the racist in this matter.


Eyck
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

Stupid, stupid. It's been debunked by the MSM, The Supreme Court, The Republican Senator of Hawaii and 2 birth announcements in 1961 newspapers. Grow a brain! Moronic imbecil.


B1RD67
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

How ironic that one of Keyes' lawyers is named Kreep….


captainobvious1
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

The “Obama is a Socialist” argument was created by the McCain campaign as a last ditch effort to not get destroyed in the polls. There is nothing NOTHING Obama is doing that would classify as Socialist.

We are the ONLY wealthy, industrialized nation without universal health care… Does that make EVERY other wealthy, industrial western nation Socialist? NO… We aren't the only Democratic country in the world left.

Socialist = right wing buzz word. Pathetic.


holyhandgrenaid
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

Not true. Noone disputes that his mother is an American citizen, which I have to point out, makes him a 'natural born' US citizen regardless of where his birth took place. If his father was the US citizen and his mother not, then and only then, would the location be an issue


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Linking to nudie Photoshops of the President’s mother – that’s mature.


kkojei
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

The whole “Birther” embarrassment is nothing more than evidence of how creative racism can be. People!!! If you are one of those people so hung up on race, life will get progressively harder for you because you live in a world of many colors and persuasions of human being. IF you REALLY believe God created us all equal, if you believe the Constitution of the United States is the operative document of this republic, then you have no case. Nobody once has challenged Arnold Schwarzenegger [a naturalized citizen, born in Germany] or his right to act as Governor of tone of the largest American states. Look in the mirror. What is REALLY going on with you? It will take all of us the fix this country.


M
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

This is the Republican's gift to the Democratic Party.


captainobvious1
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

So why do you insist this black man isn't a citizen when there exists not ONE piece of evidence that he isn't?


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

All that typing and you could have summarized it by simply saying “I am dumb as a rock.”


cindychristy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

I had to laugh when Gary Kreep says “if it ever comes down to it, we'll use his real name” about “Dr. Ron Polarik.” Polarik will never share his real name, nor will he ever appear in a court of law. His credentials change constantly, and he refuses to state where he earned his alleged degree. Polarik is a fraud.

No one has added more fuel to the fire with this birth certificate conspiracy nonsense than this Polarik character. He has done immeausurable damage to the Republican party and the conservative moment by posting one lie after another. Just google Polarik on a google blog search, and his schizophrenia has been well documented.


RSKaz
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

A smart move by “Panama Reb” McCain's handlers considering this Manchurian Candidate truly was born on foreign soil and never produced a US birth certificate.


Eyck
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

Well said!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

What most “birther” nitwits don’t seem to get through their thick skulls is that “a copy of the official Certification of Live Birth” for President Obama — the one that everyone has seen posted on the Internet — is the SAME KIND OF DOCUMENT as the one that wingnut woman in the red shirt at the town hall meeting with Rep. Mike Castle of Delaware waved around in a ziploc bag during her rant.

NO ONE has their true original birth certificate in their own sweaty hands (or in a safe deposit box or safe), including that raving “birther” woman at the town hall meeting. They have a COPY that’s been prepared by the county/district/borough Office of Records staff from the ORIGINAL which is kept in protected vault storage (hopefully safe unless the building actually burns down to a smoky cinder or is destroyed in a lava flow — not likely on Oahu — it’s a good thing Obama wasn’t born in Hilo on the Big Island).

That COPY is then stamped or embossed with the seal of the county/district/borough of birth and verified by the agent responsible for the storage of the document.

The only difference between an old-time handwritten COPY and the one that’s on the Internet for Obama is that Obama’s COPY is an updated-technology version. Some counties/districts/boroughs have modernized their technology….

Most people don’t get an updated copy of their original birth certificate unless they lose the one they’d been holding onto for years, or, in Obama’s case, a timely updated version is more readable than one that’s traveled in a worn envelope through 40+ years and a number of localities in several countries.

It’s bizarre that this is beyond the understanding of presumably educated “birther” people.


kathleenbreengarcia
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

It seems that hatred knows no bounds. Those who continue to challenge our President's citizenship are sadly filled with unreasoning hate. What a waste of energy.


duanebidoux
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

One of the better articles I have reaad on the subject. Author does a very good job of getting into the inner workings and legal “reasonings” of those who have taken this ludicrous posiiton as the truth.


duanebidoux
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

One of the better articles I have reaad on the subject. Author does a very good job of getting into the inner workings and legal “reasonings” of those who have taken this ludicrous posiiton as the truth.


Aylah95
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

Just as after the Civil War black men were subjected to tests in order to vote, tests that had no right answers or the answers were changed at will, there is a certain faction of white people who cannot comprehend a black man having all of the same rights and will go to great length to harass them so they feel superior. This is a ridiculous throwback to a shameful tactic used by small insignificant people who should question their own patriotism for wasting time and resources on such a racist action.


Tracey
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

this will not go away because, you cannot prove a negative. An official copy with a raised seal from Hawaii could be delivered to every person in the US and they still would not believe because they don't want to believe.

CNN and Fox will keep up with it since it appears to bring in ratings.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

I double-dog dare you to furnish proof – real, verifiable, proof – that you know whether or not Obama ever had an FBI Security check. Please, enlighten us OBOTS with the wonder of your vast knowledge of the inner workings of the FBI, not to mention the Senate proceedures for dissemination of Classified material to members of the Senate. Or, in the wonderland that is your brain, do you think they just hand out classified material to anyone who gets elected?

And if you do research for a living, I hope you’re doing it better there than what you’re posting here; because you have been posting lies, rumors, and misleading information and some really, REALLY bad, shoddy excuses for research..

Including your crap about Hawaii’s Dr. Onaka denying that a certificate had been issued. I researched that. You know, just cause some jackass on d a right-wing blog says it’s true is NOT proof. So, if you have any proof OTHER than an unverified, heresay quote from someone with an agneda, please let us know.

Cause so far, all you’ve proven here today is the following:
1. you hate Obama
2. you know how to cut and paste.
3. you willingly substitute opinion for facts
and,
4. you know how to work the caps key.

Why don’t you get off the right-wing hate sites and do some REAL research. then you can come back and apologize.


MADDAN
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

SethlandPony

You said it in nutshell. What do you mean “The people that matter”? It was thought that all US citizens had a right to be concerned with their government. Did not Lincoln say: “Of the people -By the people and For the People”? Is it now the principle of the left winged Demo-rats: “The people that matter”?


ob08
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

Oh, I'm sure you would be questioning Will Smith's birth certificate. Don't go there with that BS.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

How’s it feel to have your lame argument stuffed back into your face, patriot boy? Do tell the world where exactly you came from with your golden piece of paper. Texas or Tennessee?


ob08
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

MADDAN – you are one sorry racist person. Too bad for you that a black man is President. Get over it! Be careful with your racist comments because what goes around comes around.


casy123
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

The truth of the matter is that if there was nothing to it, the media wouldn't waste their time with it.

Why on earth would McCain raise the issue when his eligibility was in question as well? That would be a bit stupid!

Check out http://www.wnd.com. Pre purchase a copy of the dvd that explains the birthers position. I believe many of you non believers will begin to have questions after you review the dvd.


Just Who Does This Obama Guy Think He Is, the President? • CrazyDrumGuy
Pingback posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

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BEN1234
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

THESE LAW SUITS WILL CONTINUE TILL THE PEOPLE WHO ALL FILES LAW SUITS AGAINST ANY THAT GOES AGAINST OR VIOLATES ANY PROVISIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION AND OR IS FOUND TO HAVE BEEN FILED TO HARASS A PERSON, SHOULD BE CONVICTED TO SUFFER LIFE IMPRISONMENT.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

Remember, these birthers are the same people who voted for Bush/Cheney…twice. Were they concerned about Bush's missing documents that indicate he went AWOL from TANG? No, they had no problems with that. When confronted with all of the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, they just can't accept the facts. No wonder this country is rapidly becoming 2nd world. While the rest of the industrialized nations are focused on the 21st century, we have 1/3 of our population determined to walk us back to the Dark Ages.

Can't we just give them Texas and let them all degenerate naturally?


Molly Hill
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

Seriously, folks, this is getting truly ridiculous. I'm afraid that the “birthers” need their meds upped immediately. Please, get some help, at once.


Aylah95
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Maddan,
You are ridiculous and America is getting tired of the reverse racism card. It's used up. Birthers cannot stand that a black man is the leader and keep demanding what YOU decide is proof (but it changes anytime the standard is met). You ignore what the state of Hawaii says is acceptable. Are you so small town that you don't realize states vary on their guidelines concerning birth certificates or is it simply that you don't like the answer you get invalidating your pipe dream?


connjdllm
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

Show the long form birth certificate and end it all. A COLB is worthless. Sun Yat Sen, a Chineese citizen, has a Hawaii COLB. He became President of China in th 20's.


B1RD67
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

Explain the birth announcements in the newspapers? Do you REALLY beleive that some wild conspiracy to elect a Kenyan to be POTUS started 48 years ago and includes among hundreds of others, the staff of two newspapers, the hospital, and the current Republican Governor of Hawaii? It would be absolutely impossible to keep a secret that requires the participation of that many people!

Your facts regarding what the Constitution states are completely wrong… it does not actually define Natural Born Citizen. Do you belive that McCain is a Natural Born Citizen? The fact that he was born in Panama is not disputed.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

I’ve seen your Mama’s pants part. Does that count?

Have you seen Barbara Bush’s maternal grandpa’s driver’s license? I thought not.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

Well, that also explains Bush’s missing paper trail that convinced most Americans that he went AWOL from TANG. Obama stole them! Quick…someone let wnd know. I can see a new DVD coming soon that will blow this time travel thing wide open!


Aylah95
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

“The truth of the matter is that if there was nothing to it, the media wouldn't waste their time with it.”

But the media pays attention to Palin's ethic violations and its because they're the liberal elite media. She's found guilty and pays fines and still says she has never been found guilty and the media is up to something for reporting it.

Nice theory. One more dispelled.


DrSam8
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

Why dress this in a gab of legality that it doesn't deserve. Birthers should just characterize what they are doing, and all reasonable people, should see what they are doing for what it is: racism. Thank God Americans, especially the new generation, are pushing us into a new, higher level of consciousness that recognizes the oneness and unity of all humanity.


brob
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

“The people that matter” are the nearly 70 million citizens who cast their ballots in favor of President Obama last November.


raven
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

Birthers go home! You are all just a bunch of sore losers. You lost fair and square and are now just trying to change the out come of the election through you disgusting rantings and ravings. Your man, BUSH had his chance, for 8 years, and look what he did to our country, almost destroyed it. And did we hear you guys rallying to see his birth certificate? No we did not. And when you stand up at your lynch mob rallies and say ” We want our country back”, “Take our country Back”, who do you want it back from? Do you want it back from Obama the president of the United States or Obama the African American you so much hate?


Donald
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

You are stil a racist!

You just read that NO state department ever release the original document, but provide official copies. I don't know where you get this $12.00 fee from, but you are full of racist bullcrap.

Just admit that you don't like the guy because he is black and move on. I may not agree with you, however I would respect your views if you, at least, admit them.


erykah
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

This is interesting because McCain was born outside of the US and his citizenship status was also challenged. Geez, get a grip folks.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum de dum.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

The wnd loves rubes like you that'll spend your money on dvd's that feed your fantasy. Have at it…make sure you also get the 40th anniversary limited edition of the “1969 Moon Landing Scam” – when it comes to crazy, best to be all in.


labman57
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

Every time a birther is shown a web link to, or hard copy of Obama's official birth certificate (you know, the one that is recognized by the federal government when applying for a passport), they pull the equivalent of a 9-year old covering his ears and shouting “nyah, nyah, nyah, I can't hear you!”

You can lead right wingers to the truth, but you cannot make them embrace it.

Each state has its own standard for an official record of birth.

With respect to the true motivations of the birthers, fundamentally, it comes down to the following mindset: “I cannot accept THAT man in the White House because…. (fill in the blank).”

Just about ANY reason will do — any excuse that will legitimize their race-based outrage.  If it wasn't about a birth certificate, it would be about his middle name. (He's a closet Muslim, you know.)

In addition, there are a handful of unscrupulous politicians and pundits who, although not necessarily racist themselves, have no problem capitalizing on the bigotry of others by fueling their fear and hatred of Obama in order to score political points or further a personal agenda.


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

HAHAHA. A guy born in Panama before the grandfather clause naturalizing citizens born on US military bases should not have been investigating a matter that would disqualify himself from ever serving as President. lol


qxav
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

Oh the hate, the prejudice, it's blinding.


notsettled
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

Uhh no, actually they do have a very valid legal case to contest it.

http://yannone.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-obama-i…

You may not agree with the arguments, but a photo copy from Hawaii isn't enough to “prove” he was born in Hawaii.

If I create a paper print out of my birth so called “hometown of birth” using about 30 minutes in photo shop or someone's database, am I a hawaii citizen too?

Give me break. There is no evidence to prove he was born in Hawaii or Indonesia.

The point is they won't release his birth records. And there is a LOT, and I do mean a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest he's not a US citizen.

Including eye witnesses and newspaper articles overseas, which means, this is going to get quite ugly since this is about the “LAW” and still no one has shown where he was born.


GeorgiaEliot
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

I too had a child without the burden of a legal marriage…that to you makes me a “slut” and my child a “bastard” – but, we are still American citizens, with the right to vote….so what’s your point? Oh…yes – you want us all to see the vulgarity of your mind. Point taken.


wairribbet
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

Idiots


Richard
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:05 pm

Idiot. If Barack Obama's name were Will Smith, it would take a lot of steam oout of this “conspiracy”. His name alone frightens these birther losers.


DanG2
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:05 pm

Let's see, if we accept this statement as the framers intent:

'In one translation, de Vattel writes that “the natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” '

Then Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, etc. were constitutionally unfit to be president since each was born a British subject.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

Uh, he’s joking, Professor Hawking.


nobody of import
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

how can obama possibly govern with all these frivolous allegations? how can he do good for the country if he's dealing with this nonsense? he should resign so he can do more.

oh wait, he's not sarah palin. he's the president. he doesn't whine, he doesn't quit, he leads. 2 wars, economic collapse, healthcare in shambles, iran/honduras/n korea on the edge, and some of you think this crap matters?

can't wait for obama 2012. i predict 80% electoral.


Donald
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

I strangest part of this whole birther movement is:

None of them realize how a candidate is registered to become President of the USA. That is, each candidate must register with each state separately. It means that 50 states and 6 providences and territories ALL agreed that President Obama was/is eligible to become President.

Apparently all these people involved were part of that Kenyan plot made 48/49 years ago.


cindychristy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

The COLB and the birth annoucements in the two papers provide plenty of evidence.

All the circusmsantial evidence you point to has been shot down.

There are no eyewitnesses to a birth overseas.


majordomo
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Einstein once said …

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Sounds like this quote fits birthers to a tee.


mycookie100
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

They're all racists, well, racists and nutbars! The neoCONS in this country have gone berserk!!

What a bunch of loonies! Including the GOP and the senators from ALABAMA especially!

Hey, the south needs to be their own country, using their confederate flag! Go, but don't come crying to us the next time you have an emergency. The south takes more in tax dollars than they pay in, BUT HAVE THE BIGGEST, MOST RACIST MOUTHS!

Take Utah, Alaska and Kansas with, don't let the door hit ya'!!!

I want to live in “the 38 (or so) United States of Americans, that manage to get along and respect each other”!

These same clowns that ruined our economy, never said a word to Bush about his lyin' $11 TRILLION DOLLAR WAR, and never said 'no' to Bush about anything, ever!


zoomdeluxe
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

They never explain how they rigged the Honolulu newspaper 47 years ago to show his birth. This is quite a conspiracy…been going on for that long…and see…it worked! He's in the White House. These are incredible, maniacal demons out to destroy our society. They were the same folks who put the pool table, not billiards, in River City, IA.


Donald
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

True!!


Angela
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

Palin said she could beat Obama in an endurance race ( ironically just before quitting), but if we judge based on what she calls frivolous lawsuits wasting taxpayer money, faced with this absurdity she would have immediately dropped out, right?


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Hear, hear Dr. Dan! Very nicely put.

Unfortunately, your intelligence will have no effect on this clown. Like waves hitting a rock.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Greg, I read your post and I agree that stupid people don’t know they are stupid.


mycookie100
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

geez, Hawaii never, ever gives out original certificates, neither does California where i was born.

WHAT PART DON'T YOU CLOWNS GET! YOU THINK YOU'RE ALL SO SMART, YOU SOUND LIKE THE IDIOT YOU CLEARLY ARE! THE STATE OF HAWAII, THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OF HAWAII HAS SEEN THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

STATES DO NOT GIVE ANYONE THE ORIGINAL! GET IT NOW?? PROBABLY NOT! 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, RIGHT?


sasha2009
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

Frivolous 'Birther' Lawsuits OK

Medical Malpractice- CAP IT !


TheZug
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

Racism, pure and simple.


majordomo
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

I want to see the mid-term elections in 2010 repeat the 1930's when the repuglicans minimalized themselves to a paltry 25% (24 out of 48) seats in the Senate.


notsettled
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

It's not evidence at all, I don't understand how someone claiming a “copy” printout can be evidence.

If I get a copy of someone's check even if it was wrote with monopoly money using someone else's name and not a real checkbook, is that suddenly “evidence” I am the writer and depositor of that check?

And no witnesses? I don't think you have ever examined the evidence. There is a lot of witnesses who say, and have showed records, of him as well as his parents being in Indonesia and another country — including a lot which the military has…which is very concerning.

Start thinking about the fact that well, he might not be a US citizen and that does really matter for a lot of reasons. If it was Bush and so called “righties” were defending him it would be the same legal problem, there's someone in office who can't prove where they were born.


sasha2009
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

QUIT!

She Quit while her state is falling into Russia territory!


majordomo
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

I meant 12 out of 48.


kalpal
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

How is anyone unnaturally born?

I am a citizen of the USA because I applied for it, took the test required, spent the requisite number of years living here and my application was accepted as a result of which I took an official oath in a court.

So far as I know, anyone born inthe USA even to parents who not citizens of this nation can choose to be a citizen of this country upon reaching the age of majority.

Obama's father not being a citizen of the USA has no bearing on Obama's status as a citizen. Any notion that parentage might affect the possibility of loyalty to the USA should dismiss most of the residents of North America since more than 90% are of immigrantt stock and as such are all untrustworthy to behave in the best interests of this or any other nation.

So far as I am concerned, running for president proves that you are mentally defective. Getting that job costs so much money and involves so much abuse that only someone mentally defective would actively seek such a position. (I realize that it is the path to many riches currently but has a better than average probability that someone may dislike so much as to wish to undertake to harm you. Something about that kind of exposure make me queasy.)


kalpal
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

How is anyone unnaturally born?

I am a citizen of the USA because I applied for it, took the test required, spent the requisite number of years living here and my application was accepted as a result of which I took an official oath in a court.

So far as I know, anyone born inthe USA even to parents who not citizens of this nation can choose to be a citizen of this country upon reaching the age of majority.

Obama's father not being a citizen of the USA has no bearing on Obama's status as a citizen. Any notion that parentage might affect the possibility of loyalty to the USA should dismiss most of the residents of North America since more than 90% are of immigrantt stock and as such are all untrustworthy to behave in the best interests of this or any other nation.

So far as I am concerned, running for president proves that you are mentally defective. Getting that job costs so much money and involves so much abuse that only someone mentally defective would actively seek such a position. (I realize that it is the path to many riches currently but has a better than average probability that someone may dislike so much as to wish to undertake to harm you. Something about that kind of exposure make me queasy.)


juliaberhain
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

Why doesn' the GOP grow up I will never be tempted to vote for a Republican again. Sorry when
a Democrat is corrupt he at least shares his good fortune. A birth certificate is legal if it has the
raised stamp on it as does Pres. Obamaa does. I don't always agree with him but I am wise
enough to check my information.. .JAB


juliaberhain
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

Why doesn' the GOP grow up I will never be tempted to vote for a Republican again. Sorry when
a Democrat is corrupt he at least shares his good fortune. A birth certificate is legal if it has the
raised stamp on it as does Pres. Obamaa does. I don't always agree with him but I am wise
enough to check my information.. .JAB


edmaka
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

It doesn't matter where Obama was born. The birthers haven't read the laws. See:
http://www.montaglaw.com/blog/2009/07/19/obama-…


andyriveria
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

not only are bobby jindals parents indian he was born in india. his parents told all there friends they wanted him born in india. he has refused to release his birth certificate.

actually as governor he has tried to get a fake birth certificate issued. so far the state has refused.


Jon
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Furthermore, this is from the Hawai’i State Department

“In order to process your application (to verify that you are a genuine native Hawaiian), DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”

What Barry submitted was a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. Not enough even by Hawaii’s standards.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

Chad,

If we lived in the same town I would bet you a cold drink (adult beverage if you prefer) and a burger on that. Do you live in Virginia Beach?

I am a patriot and contractor not a lawyer or a scholar. I play by the rules.

I believe that the court has to give the plaintiff some benefit of the doubt. The plaintiff needs to show that there is probable cause. The proof can only be released by Obama or by court order. If Mario Apuzzo had the proof then he would not need to request it in discovery. I believe this whole thing is a mess. I would like to see a court hear and rule on it.

Ken


majordomo
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

mycookie100 is correct. No one EVER gets their hands on their original birth certificate. You only get a “certifiable copy” of the original document. I always have one on me when I travel and live abroad, so I know thee routine.


freethinkingpatriot
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

This piece hits the nail right on the head – the more you try to explain to these morons just why their “Obama isn't qualified” arguments have no merit, the more they believe there's a conspiracy afoot and you're just a part of it.

Bottom line: Obama's an American, he won, and all you racist morons who think you're the only ones qualified to define what being an American is need to just get over it.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

Takes REAL effort on your part to be this Effin stupid!!


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

I thought the right was against frivolous lawsuits?


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

I thought the right was against frivolous lawsuits?


notsettled
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Did they have any problem showing they were in fact US citizens despite the USA being under the colonies at the time?

No?

I rest my case.
Obama can not actually even prove he was born in the United States, this should certainly concern everyone. He's offered a “PAPER” printout copy of “something”

I have my original Birth Certificate in my hand and my states gave it out to me for free, all he has to do is go to the office, pull it out seal & all and put it before a camera and then put it away.

http://yannone.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-obama-i…

http://www.yannone.org/BlogDocs/KerchnerAdverto…

http://yannone.blogspot.com/2009/07/usurper-upd…
But instead what they did sealed up all the records……And that is of concern to many americans, that's the actions of communists when you hide public records like that.

Again if he was a fully proven US citizen, then Military officers would not be allowed to discharge from duty as well as ignore any orders to go overseas. Countless military officers have automatically ignored orders, because based on the law, they can not prove he is a US citizen which CONCERNS every citizen of the country.


kkojei
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

And just what supposed “evidence” would convince you? The truth is none!!! Even if you fingered the raised texture on the seal of the original birth certificate, provided to you by the Governor of Hawaii, confirmed by the very doctor who delivered him it would mean nothing to your or any other of this sad crowd. What amazes me is how quickly folks invoke that word “LAW” when the truth of the matter is the criminals who took this country from the original inhabitants using GOD as their excuse, much like the Israelis used GOD as their excuse to commit genocide against peoples in the purported “promised land [thousands of years ago and today], created the “LAW” to justify their actions. Until we learn the very simple lesson of “Do unto others….AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO”, “LAW” will always be an excuse for the most shameful behavior. Believe me!!! This behavior, these actions shame you all.


andyriveria
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

then why does the governor of hawaii, who is republican, say it is valid hawaii birth certificate. why does the hawaii department of health say it is a valid hawaii birth certificate. why do they and other state officials say that so called long form is the document which has been released.

all his birth records have been released there are no other records.

actually you get to an interesting point here — you side needs to prove in was not born in hawaii. where is that proof


missteek
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

DUH! Hawaii wasn't a STATE in the 20s. Are you serious?


Jon
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

It WAS NOT verified.

This is from the Hawai’i State Department

“In order to process your application (to verify that you are a genuine native Hawaiian), DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”

What Barry submitted was a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. Not enough by Hawaii’s standards.


andyriveria
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

ok then a challenge for you. show where you were born without a copy.


majordomo
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

labman57, you hit the nail smack dab dead center! The repuglicans are using the ignorance of the birther movement to create civil disobedience and unrest allowing the underlying racial bigotry to surface. It's nothing more than Kabuki Theatre being played on the political stage and the birthers are nothing more than the willing puppets completely unaware its nothing but a show.


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Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

Great post! May they proclaim their craziness proudly from the rooftops!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

I suspect that the person or persons for the state of Hawaii who encoded the original birth certificate onto electronic media actually SAW the “original birth certificate”. Like they SAW the birth cetificates of every other native born Hawaiian that was tranfered to media when they went paperless. OOOOH…big conspiracy there. I’m sure that like most of us, we at one time or another had to acquire a certified copy of his birth certificate in order to get a drivers license or a passport or whatever. You can get as many of them as you wish, as long as you pay the fees and they would be dated whenever they were physically printed off. Use your heads, folks. But, that said – let the birthers ride! It just makes them and anyone who refuses to refute them look ridiculous! So – bonus for Obama. And thanks for your efforts!


andyriveria
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

you dont have your original birth certificate you have a copy of the original birth certificate. the state keeps the original.

but lets say you have the original for fun. there is a fire in your house it is burned up. now you need to show when you were born. you go to the states. oops they dont have it because they gave you the original and you destroyed it.

try again


Demo_cracy1
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

More non sense from the Fright Wing Party of the GOP. Losers!


Jason
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

What's even funnier, is WND themselves actually debunked the nonsense before embracing it. How stupid are the people that believe that website?


notsettled
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

The law makes it clear, that the two parents must be US citizens at the time of birth and not just be visiting.

http://yannone.blogspot.com/2009/07/usurper-upd…

http://www.yannone.org/BlogDocs/KerchnerAdverto…

The problem is that there is no clear line of reasoning that Hussein Sr. or his mother ever obtained US citizenship, because they have for a long time held citizenship in Indonesia which means they relinquish their US citizenship – as they can't be in two places at once.

You can't legally be a resident of Indonesia overseas and still be a US citizen, and you can't be “born” naturally while you are still an Indonesian citizen.

Right there, Judges try to make this law murky or undefined but there are countless articles which prove the Obama's were not US citizens in that they were still overseas.

And clearly reflected in the law, they are not natural born, if in fact this is all correct then Obama himself being born outside the USA was NEVER a natural citizen which is a concern to every person or should be.

He can not produce his certified sealed copy certificate, which should concern everyone. He produces a print out “copy” of something and that will never fit the legal definition.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

The only time I have seen a birfer offer a cite for that number, it was a link to Orly Taitz’ blog where she says the exact same thing with no evidence. Amazing. Circular logic at its best/most idiotic.


andyriveria
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

what has been shown is the long form. i use to believe there was some other documtment because of the birthers that kept saying it. then i read what the state government of hawaii said in there office press release. what is posted is the long form.

if the state of hawaii says that is it why cant you except it

china in the 20s did not have a law which prohibited people born as citizens of other countries from becoming president


DCDemocrat
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

As a middle-aged white guy, let me tell you that if Barack Obama were a middle-aged white guy with a father from Great Britain, this would not be an issue.


supermario
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

“Show the long form birth certificate and end it all. A COLB is worthless.”

Really? I that is a silly claim. If they show the “long form” all you have to do is claim that the “long form” is forged also. It will NEVER end because YOU refuse to accept the results of the election.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

God, spare us from idiots with opinions.

The deployment was revoked because the guy had requested the deployment, and, according to the terms of his reserve contract, he was eligible to change his mind up to the day before deployment. His choice, not the Army’s.

In other words, just like this birther nonsense, there was no controversy, no conflict, other than what this guy was trying to rile up.

And, the guy had been posting his intent to do this on Freeper sites for months before he volunteered to deploy, all so he could make a stink and get publicity.

That’s right, he intentionally volunteered just so he could refuse to go – and isn’t that a big screw you to all his fellow soldiers who have to do all the work involved in getting a soldier ready for deployment, and now they have to undo and redo all the work for someone else – all so Maj. Jackass could make a point with his real estate, dentist, lawyer.

As a veteran, and parent of a Marine, I think this guy is a low-life slime, who set this up to get publicity for himself at the expense of the Army, his command, and his troops, who now have to send someone else in this guy’s place.

There’s a special section in Hell for lying cowards, I’m sure they have room for him.


notsettled
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

Really?

I'm holding a FIRST rate original of it right now smart guy.

Gold seal at the top. Clearly made from what else, very old paper like one of those “constitution” documents. It has the seal of approval NAILED across the top.

And you're telling me this is not my certificate….it's just a hoax??

You make no sense. At most the document is a second hand iteration, but after handling it countless times, it's the closest to ORIGINAL record you can come to.


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

Call Me…

When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia…Please

The People that push this Nonsense are hateful, Hate Filled, Bitter & Yes Racist People…

Not wanting a Bi-Racial Man [Black-White Heritage] they Perceive Only as a…

[Black Man] and will Do Anything to get Rid Of Him and even Pray for his [Death]

A So Called Minister is doing just that !!!

That's the Obvious and Most Telling of all, through out this [Nonsense]

This Mad woman saying “I want My Country Back and I don't want this Flag to Change”

The Media Calls it Fringe Group, that's a Tame-Timid Title for it..

The Hate Groups, that Manufactured Tim McVeigh-Brian Nichols and the So Called [Malitia] when we have the National Guard..

These People are Extremely Dangerous.

Hate Mongering [Nuts]


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

Call Me…

When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia…Please

The People that push this Nonsense are hateful, Hate Filled, Bitter & Yes Racist People…

Not wanting a Bi-Racial Man [Black-White Heritage] they Perceive Only as a…

[Black Man] and will Do Anything to get Rid Of Him and even Pray for his [Death]

A So Called Minister is doing just that !!!

That's the Obvious and Most Telling of all, through out this [Nonsense]

This Mad woman saying “I want My Country Back and I don't want this Flag to Change”

The Media Calls it Fringe Group, that's a Tame-Timid Title for it..

The Hate Groups, that Manufactured Tim McVeigh-Brian Nichols and the So Called [Malitia] when we have the National Guard..

These People are Extremely Dangerous.

Hate Mongering [Nuts]


anna smith
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

As if we needed more proof about how bored and silly right-wingers are


kalpal
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

To: Not settled I would say this.

I was present at my birth but I am unable to describe the room or those who attended, nor do I remember if the doctor slapped me. My mother assured me that I was there and the city supplied with a certfied copy stating that someone with the name I currently use was born to a person who used my mother's name, or the one she used while in my presence. A man whose name matches the name the person I was told was my father and which person used in my presence as his name was asserted to be the father of the baby whose name I am currently using.

Since I am nearly 60 years old I am unable to locate any living persons who attended the birth that I believe is the one I was involved with as a newly born child.

Even more interesting is the notion that America as I knew it inthe early 1960s when I came here held no sane adults who believed that any African American child had any chance of becoming president in the next 100 years. Most did not believe that any civl rights legislation would ever pass muster in Congress. The amount of hope and planning needed in 1961 to set up anyone to become president inthe next 50 years was insanely massive. Let alone to set up a dark skinned child newly born on the path to the presidency.

One of the things I kept hearing school was that anyone can grow up to be president. In the past 47 years since I came to the USA 10 people have managed it, well one already was persident when I arrived. The probability of anyone becoming president, a job that requires several hundred million dollars and years of effort, is nearly insurmountable. Starting a conspiracy of that sort in 1961 with a black child as its intended beneficiary would never have been begun.

Notsettledyet is just religious about this or is simply insane. Such hubris is downright stupid.


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anna smith
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

As if we needed more proof about how bored and silly right-wingers are


den1953
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

McCain should have looked at his own birth certificate!


notsettled
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

You know this is a total joke what you're saying, I wouldn't have to because I received a stamped certified original document. At most it was a second hand creation directly by them.

But it's as real as the original with the seal.

And it is NOT most importantly, a paper printout off the computer

So if I made a paper printout (NOT the course, rough paper that a birth cert is) that said I was born in……China?

I would now be considered a chinese citizen and oh it was stamped with the same date. Let me just ask you again if that is what you are claiming.

Without taking sides here, is that what you are claiming? I'd be chinese?


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

Just a tad focused on race, aren’t you? Ecccch.


supermario2
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

Even if Obama is not a natural born citizen and unqualified to be President, we liberals will fight to keep him in place. Wipe your a** on the constitution and your bibles conservatives! We don't care what you think!


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Not only do birthers have a pathological need to delude themselves about birth certificates, but they prove themselves to be low-life, pathetic humans who are reduced to peddling photo’s whose authenticity is unknown. Funny that. You bray repeatedly about authentic birth certicate documentation, but have no problems posting pics that could easily be photoshopped. Congratulations on outing yourself as a scumbag.


melodramy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

Hey mr first rate, I have one just like that. Little footprints, yellowed parchment paper, raised gold seal, original signatures in ink. Know what I found out when I applied for a passport? It is not acceptable as an official state document and proof of birth or citizenship. I had to request a “Certification of Vital Record” from my state in order to obtain a passport. The Dept of Health issued this non-parchment piece of paper with a blue border, no footprints, and no original signature anywhere in sight. It is stamped by the registrar with a 2007 date, the year it was issued to me. Just like Obama's.

How about you just get off your conspiracy theory behind and call the Hawaii Dept of Health for yourself and ask about the differences between an original hospital record and the official certificate they issue. Place of birth is not one of those differences, they will be happy to put your deluded mind to rest.


charles1976
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

It just goes to show you that “patriotism” is supported your country when you are in power and trying to overthrow it when you are not.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

What….you loons wanted something and you didn’t get your way? The outrage!

Did you challenge anyone to a duel to preserve your honor?


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vavoter14
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

My question to you, notsettled, have you seen any of the other president's original birth certificate? Have you or any of your fellow nutcases even questioned whether they were “real” Americans? This is racism plain and simple. Racism and the fact that you right wing nutjobs can't stand the fact that you couldn't steal this last election like you did with Bush v. Gore.


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

just type in (spirit of jefferson farms advocate at the top) i think the 3rd one down will be free to look at.. investigate all neames listed in the article


notsettled
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

The reason that the Birth Certificate is a real concern and should be to most Americans, is he can't prove where he was born which means that “he” may be operating outside the law.

http://www.yannone.org/BlogDocs/KerchnerAdverto…

Again, this is all so very simple. Release the certified copy or photos of the documents.

Then for the most part everyone will drop it. But see, and the military has looked at this extensively, he can NOT.

Because they sealed up the records.

AND HE MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE A US CITIZEN…..WHICH HAS THE MILITARY CONCERNED AS IT SHOULD CONCERN EVERYONE ELSE…

Because that would mean he's in charge of the country, and possibly taking his orders from some other communist nation. And IF YOU WOULD LOOK AROUND YOU, that ought to concern you as well, there's nothing wrong with asking valid questions for our own sakes…..

http://yannone.blogspot.com/2009/07/removal-of-…

Why would you want this man to get away with a crime if he has ill intentions to enslave everyone including yourself to communism?

Don't you think that everyone deserves to see where he comes from and if he's qualified?


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

So when is “Polarik” gonna testify in court? Ya know, where he can be cross examined and such?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

Seriously, why do you think anyone here cares?

And, honestly, if you all are so into forged documents, you surely must realize how easy it is to adjust photos?

Post some nude pics of you, I’ll show you how easy it is to do – I’ll make you look well-hung.


enovey
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Hey people Hawaii is a United State. Being born on the islands is being born American with all the legal rights of a U.S citizen. Get over it! Palin put McCain under along with 8 years of GOP thoughtlessness in choosing her as his running mate. What happened in eight years cannot be fixed in 7 months, and going after Obama's birth certificate is taking time from solving the real problems of this nation. P.S. there is NO bridge to Maui.


joke
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

If BOTH of Obama's maternal grandparents were USA citizens, how does this not make OBAMA a USA citizen. How does this not make his mother a citizen? Family members on his mother's side served our country in the military. Does that NOT MATTER?

This is a JOKE.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

So Dick Cheney and George Bush NEVER LIED to us. Dont you see how pathetic you are. Instead of wasting your time with this crap go do something productive. Why can’t you just admit you don’t like Obama because he is black. I though our society was better than that. Did 650,000 soldiers die in the Civil War so that 150 years later we can still be a racist country. I am a proud tax-paying american and it makes me sick to think that we still judge people by the color of their skin. Just remember this, Jesus hepled those who were sick, poor and outcasted by society. GROW UP and do something to HELP those less fortunate than you.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Moron-

What part of “Office of the Governor” don’t you understand?


Dink Singer
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

The portions of the Immigration and Nationalities Act cited by the attorney you interviewed were ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967). Their opinion concluded “We hold that the Fourteenth Amendment was designed to, and does, protect every citizen of this Nation against a congressional forcible destruction of his citizenship, whatever his creed, color, or race. Our holding does no more than to give to this citizen that which is his own, a constitutional right to remain a citizen in a free country unless he voluntarily relinquishes that citizenship.”


1laughman
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

Typical Right-Wing waclo's… They never let the truth get in the way of their paranoia


notsettled
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

So because it looked similar it must be real?

That's the most ludicrous argument I've ever heard. If you try that in court they will laugh you right out of it.

If I made a copy record that had “no footprints” like it looked as if it was out of the Department of Health and so on, that's going to mean I live in China?

All I do is say that it means I live in China…therefore because it's the SAME document with China listed instead….I live in China???

You got to be joking. And the Gold seal does matter.

The truth is they could settle this all ages ago by just releasing the records and photos of them, then it's over with.

But they don't and sealed up the records, stamped and all because there is concern he's not a US citizen.


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mapl
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

What law is he supposed to obey? This is why this whole issue is nonsense. Should the president crumble under the pressure of whoever feels they should see his birth certificate. Go to court and produce a legal order requiring him to show proof…so far all that talk about him showing a long form of his birth certificate is pure nonsense… and we know exactly why all this is going on….let's not hide being this, so far baseless allegation, … this is really ridiculous and people are showing either their utter ignorance or prejudice by requiring Obama to do anything to make this go away.


sls2000
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Barack's father was from Kenya…never lived in Indonesia, ever. Are you thinking of Barack's stepfather, a man from indonesia, who his mother married after divorcing his father? So, your claim that his mother held indonesian citizenship when she was married to his father (from Kenya), before she married his indonesian stepfather, is completely telling of how moronic you are. And, ANY child born in the U.S. is a natural born citizen…whether your parents are immigrants, citizens, or what have you. Why do you think people like Bobby Jindal are called “anchor babies?”


mst76
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

the “birthers” are the same people who believe a scary monster is waiting for you in a firey pit if you commit a sin and a beautiful place is waiting for you if you repent.

There is a reason why the KKK wore white hoods. What is terrible is that there are actually elected officials standing behind a false claim to gain votes.

Would they put forth a bill to retract womans rights if enough “bloggers” started demanding it, my guess is yes they would.

The Republicans are quickly turning into a joke with no real beliefs or standards.


1laughman
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

Your Mentally Ill.. Please for your sake go back on you meds…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Greg, Nice to get a real email from you. He is in office; took over one hell of a mess from my friend Bushy and is doing a pretty good job. Of course time tells all. We shall see.
I can tell you care but stay the course of facts. Anyway i am not political, too much good stuff to work on. However I wish you the best!!

DC Decker 
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cell: 951-219-0813


Timothy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

It's our duty politely to ask Senator McCain to use his considerable eloquence to scotch the nasty birther meme.


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

G. Gordon Liddy yesterday made the ludicrous assertion that “you couldn't even register for the Little League” with a COLB.

Actually, it STATES on the certificate that “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” That very certificate can be used to obtain a US Passport, get a business license, gun permit, etc. It would be accepted in an application for a FEDERAL SECURITY CLEARANCE. Not a picture of the original on file. Not some mysterious “long form.” THAT CERTIFICATE.

Man, these people are unhinged. “Obama Panic Disorder” is what I call it.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

just type in (spirit of jefferson farms advocate at the top) i think the 3rd one down will be free to look at.. investigate all neames listed in the article


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

whaa haaa haaa whaa haa haaaaaaaa!


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

Reality 101: He's the President of the USA. He has a U.S. Social Sec. Number. He has a U.S. Passport and he had to have his Social Security Number, in order to get Credit and his Passport.

[You Dummy]

Just say, I Can't Stand that I have a Afro American as President Of The USA..

Because this Birth Certificate Argument is Borderline [Bull-Spit] OK

I Bet, Most of You Nuts, don't even Possess an Original Birth Cerificate, Social Security Number or U.S. Pass Port.

Again, Call Me…

When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia…Please

—————————–

Like the people who challenged McCain’s citizenship in 2008 and 2000, or the people who challenged Dick Cheney’s right to run for vice president because he, like George W. Bush, resided in Texas, “birther” plaintiffs have failed again and again to get their cases heard because they lack standing.

—————————————

“We monitored the progress of these lawsuits against the Obama campaign,” said Trevor Potter, a Washington attorney who served as general counsel to the 2008 and 2000 McCain presidential campaigns. “The McCain campaign faced a series of lawsuits like this, too, alleging that he could not be president because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Both campaigns took the position that these plaintiffs lacked standing.”


Eyck
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

Another EFFING moron. Are you not reading the posts here and all over the internet? There are millions of them that say the same thing. HIS MOTHER IS AMERICAN AND WAS BORN IN AMERICA. OBAMA WENT TO SCHOOL IN INDONESIA, HE NEVER RELINQUISHED AND NEITHER DID HIS MOTHER, THEIR AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP.
THE REPUBLICAN SENATOR OF HAWAII HAS CONFIRMED HIS BIRTH!
THE SUPREME COURT RULED HIM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IN DECEMBER 2008!
THE STATE OF HAWAII CONFIRMED HIS BIRTH!
2 BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS WERE FOUND IN 2 DIFFERENT NEWSPAPERS FOR AUGUST 4TH, 1961. EFFING MORON!

STUPID, STUPID, IGNORAMUS'. NO MATTER HOW MUCH EVIDENCE YOU HAVE YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE IT. STUPID, STUPID, UNEDUCATED MORONS!


drakker8
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

it does not matter whether he was born here or not he is still a bum and a terrible choice for president


the latinist
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

No, Sir (or Madam). The relevant law is not some obscure 18th-century book, it is the 14th Amendment and 8 U.S.C. § 1405. That section of the United States Code states, “A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth.” There is not any requirement for citizenship that one's parents be citizens at the time of birth.


reader100
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Apuzzo …speculated what might happen if Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.), whose parents were Indian, became president.

Such nonsense! FDR was English, so he went to war against Germans, Italians and Japanese!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Remeber though, those are the same hypocrites who kept saying that Bush Jr inherited a deficit in 2000.


1laughman
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Get back on your med's and all your paranoid delusions will go away


lewmanbubba
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

RACISM BIGOTRY they can't stand that a slave is now PRESIDENT. 42 elected not one challenge


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

Really… seek help immediately. It could even be a brain tumor.

And if you want anyone to even entertain your ideas, ADDRESS THE REBUTTALS. Your political comments just identify you as someone who detests Obama, and then fits the 'facts' around that. His birthplace is settled to anyone NOT suffering from psychosis.

HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII. GET OVER IT.


imagephreak
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

I supported Obama, but it's obvious he is lying, people are asking him about his original from HI? I'm not going to support him in this lie. Turns out, that the notice in the newspaper is the result of having filed for that COLB with the DOH requiring only one witness, his mother. I'll go support someone like Ron Paul, that might actually do something good for this country. I say if he lied about it, yank him from office now!
This is not about wingnuts, except for the ones that want to change the constitution to suit a liar!


Eyck
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

STUPID! HERE IS THE EVIDENCE
SUPREME COURT 2008 RULED AMERICAN
REPUBLICAN SENATOR IN HAWAII CONFIRMED BIRTH
STATE OF HAWAII CONFIRMED BIRTH
2 BIRTH NOTICES IN 2 DIFFERENCE NEWSPAPERS CONFIRMED AUG 4 1961
YOU DON'T CALL THIS EVIDENCE? MORONS!


sbvpav
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

as it has been noted previously, the birther and other conspiracy theorist will believe anything but the truth; but then, this is just another pea and the shell con game. racism is behind all these frivolous lawsuits, emails, rants and ravings. president obama is an african american, the first lady is an african american as is their children. these people, whether empowered or not, believe with all their being, as good ol' pat buchanan expressed on msnbc, “this country was built by white men;” anyone else, whether an african american president or a wise latina supreme court judge are inferior posers.


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

Don't blow a gasket. As Ron White said, “You can't fix stupid.”


Petiteloup
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

Hey supermario, I don't believe you are a Liberal at all. You appear to be just another lying Conservative ( like Joe the Fake Plumber) pretending to be a Democrat in order to slander the Dems.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

Oh, so members of the military who refuse to serve the duly-elected president because they are racist republican baptist rockheads are heroes to you? Another abortion that should have happened.


imagephreak
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

No this is not racism or being a nut, its about a $12 birth certificate. PERIOD


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

Thank you. The “anchor baby” phenomenon couldn't exist unless the CURRENT citizenship law was “Born On US Soil = Natural-Born Citizen.”


the latinist
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

Obama's birth certificate wasn't specially sealed; nobody except officials of the State of Hawaii, and then only with clear need, is allowed to view the original of Hawaiian birth records. It is part of a general privacy law which applies to all Hawaiian birth records.

The Certificate of Live Birth Hawaii issued (signed and sealed, as it is) is legally admissible in all jurisdictions as evidence of one's birth and citizenship.


skypete
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:06 pm


The problem is that there is no clear line of reasoning that Hussein Sr. or his mother ever obtained US citizenship, because they have for a long time held citizenship in Indonesia which means they relinquish their US citizenship – as they can't be in two places at once.

Show proof , some documentation that Hussein Jr. or his mother renounced their U.S. citizenship. If you want to make hay with this nonsense show us the documentation that they officially or even unofficially became Indonesian citizens.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

Bahahaha… no way! I want this tied to the Republicans until 2012 at least… Please, more more more, birfers! Keep it going. I heard a rumor that Michelle Bachman agrees with you. Please go to her town hall meetings and ask her! Please?


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Hey libocrat.

Can you prove that Hawaii is a state? Without referring me to some Liberal Media web site like Rand McNally (a Geroge Soros front).


Dessert39
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Brilliant!! However, “birthers” do not have the comprehension skills to understand it all. They will just continue to listen to Limbaugh and Hannity and facts don't matter.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

Perhaps then, you can explain why children born to illegal immigrants in the U.S. are natural born citizens. Prove me wrong or STFU!


imagephreak
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

Ironic, the first Afro American is a scammer! LOL!


the latinist
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

Go read your own birth certificate. Bet there's only one witness signature on that, too.


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

Reality 101: He's the President of the USA. He has a U.S. Social Sec. Number. He has a U.S. Passport and he had to have his Social Security Number, in order to get Credit and his Passport.

Just say, I Can't Stand that I have a Afro American as President Of The USA..

Because this Birth Certificate Argument is Borderline [Bull-Spit] OK

I Bet, Most of these Nuts, Don't even Possess an Original Birth Certificate, Social Security Number or U.S. Pass Port.

Again, Call Me…

When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia…Please

—————————–

Note: I Requested My SC Original Birth Certificate and the State sent me a Miniature Copy of My Birth-Certificate…

Not The Original !

That Crazy Lady should be on Fox News, Supporting her claim of having her Original Birth Certificate and they'll find out whether or [Not] she was telling the [Truth] in that regard.

The Only Large Birth Certificates would be given, would be to the Parents and most Parents Lose these over time…

I said Most

But that Crazed Woman should be put to the [Task] of [Proving] she Possessed her Original Birth Certificate.

For all any one of us know, that piece of paper in plastic was just a [Piece of Paper in Plastic]

A Big Show, for all we know ?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

Maybe this is too complicated for you, but try to see my point. McCain
really wanted to be president, right? He had all the resources money could
buy to find out if Obama is not American, right? I know Obama is American,
because otherwise, McCain, who, remember, really wanted to be president,
would have exposed Obama, so McCain could be president without question.
Either that, or McCain could have proven that Obama is not American, but
really want to win. Do you see my point?


Dink Singer
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

No, it doesn't matter. Unlike many other countries your ancestors, other than your parents, do not have any effect on American citizenship and nationality. What makes Obama a citizen is that he was born in this country. The Fourteenth Amendment is very clear “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” There are other people who are citizens of the United States from birth by law. John McCain, for example, is one of those people (although his case is unusual because he was not a citizen when he was born. He was about one-year old when the law was changed to say he was a citizen from birth.)

Today if someone is born in a foreign country with a mother who is an American citizen and a father who is not, they are a citizen from birth by law it the mother has resided in the US for a total of ten years, two of which were after her fourteenth birthday. When Obama was born, the law was the same except it required five years residence after attaining the age of fourteen. Unfortunately, Ann Dunham was only eighteen when she gave birth to her son so she hadn't resided anywhere for five years after turning fourteen. There is, however, a special provision of the law, both then and now, for children “born out of wedlock”. Since the president's parents marriage was not legal under Hawaiian law, it is possible this provision would apply to him. So even if the crazies are right and he was born in Kenya, he may still be a “natural born citizen”.


Hand_of_Cod
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Nice… So you are impugning the reputation of a man by the actions of his mother prior to that man’s birth. Nice work.

Also, I think those pictures (whoever it is, and I don’t care if they were Bush’s mother either) are quite tastefully done. Get yourself an education and an appreciate of fine art and stop looking looking at the female body as something dirty.


notsettled
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

This IS NOT A RACISM ISSUE

Believe it or not, the military is concerned because Obama he may have loyalties to outright communist interests or Banking families instead of America.

Here's how one of your OWN PEOPLE describes it, again we should behave as Americans concerned about the nation.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/23/757034/…

Let's forget all the petty meaningless he said she said bullshit.

The left/right paradigm is meaningless. The law is clear. Either Obama is a US citizen with loyalties to that, or he's not.

The DMV records printout without any gold seal, with nothing official attached is definitely not it as it doesn't prove where he was born.

We DON'T know where he was born. I'm not saying he was born in Hawaii, Indonesia or Afghanistan. What I am saying is we do not know where…

They could have settled it ages ago by releasing records and showing photos. That's it. That's all it took. They didn't and now it's a fiasco.

He could be a NON US citizen this is what countless constitutionalists are saying & RP supporters who don't buy into the two party mafia war.

if he's a NON US Citizen he could be taking orders from “other” outside forces, not America, which should be of top concern to everybody. Period.

We need to know why obama has 16 social security numbers & need to know he's USA.


the latinist
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

The fact is that you can't even get a copy of the original so-called “long form” birth certificate. This is the Hawaiian birth certificate, and the sign and seal make it official. But no amount of arguing will make these loons understand.


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we need logic
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Actually 43!


Gordon
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

The level of ignorance, racism, and flat-out stupidity in the comments here is remarkable.

Hey, all you birther loonies: Try watching this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/23/gordon…

Damn facts and their liberal bias.

Sheesh.


Gordon
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

The level of ignorance, racism, and flat-out stupidity in the comments here is remarkable.

Hey, all you birther loonies: Try watching this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/23/gordon…

Damn facts and their liberal bias.

Sheesh.


MarciaJ720
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

Drives me nuts that people do not understand what a Birth Certificate (or a Death Certificate for that matter) is.

The original documents regarding a Live Birth or a Death are always kept on record at the County Registrar's office. The records themselves NEVER leave the registrar's office, some are on computer only.

What people order and see is a “CERTIFICATION of a LIVE BIRTH” or a “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” which merely states that a “Birth has occurred and is on record with the County Registrars Office.” The County is merely CERTIFYING that a Live Birth is on Record!!!!!

These Birthers need to get a life, oh, they don't have one… sorry. Forgot. Trust me, nobody who actually works at a County Registrar's office believes this crap because they know better.


supermario2
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

I'm only saying aloud what most are thinking. Stand up and fight rather than putting your tail between your legs. I don't mince words with right wingers like you likely do. Being more concerned at keeping the peace than being bold and direct is a sign of weakness. If you're a liberal, you're a weak one. And you slander me? Pathetic.


Dessert39
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

Even if his mother had renounced her citizenship, which she did not and there is no proof that she did, President Obama was born in the U.S. long before his mother was in Indonesia or married her second husband, still making him a U.S. citizen.


cjk002
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Theres a bigger problem with the birther statement: Obama senior never was a citizen of Indonesia, this guy is confusing Obama's stepfather with his birth father. It's a perfect example of how misnformed these guys are.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

No matter how many times you post that, no one’s going to look at it. To call you “juvenile” would be an insult to juveniles everywhere.

Go find some like-minded retards at TownHall who will laugh at “naughty-obama-mamma” whatever that is. Loser.


hrh
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

LOL!


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

A Slave..

The Slave Blood Theory.

Slavery has Long Ended…

Sorry, Bad History

White Enslaving Whites has been around far longer than White-African Slavery [Sorry]

I'm going to Dispel the Slave Blood Myth, right [Now]
—————————–

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieva…

Chaos and invasion made the taking of slaves habitual throughout Europe in the early Middle Ages. St. Patrick, himself captured and sold as a slave, protested an attack that enslaved newly baptized Christians in his Letter to the Soldiers of Coroticus .

In the Viking era starting c. 793, the Norse raiders often captured and enslaved peoples they encountered. In the Nordic countries the slaves were called Thralls (Old Norse: Þræll).

Germanic laws provided for the enslavement of criminals, as when the Visigothic Code prescribed enslavement both for those who could not pay the financial penalty for their crime , and for those who were to be delivered up as slaves to their victims, often with their property.

In Carolingian Europe approximately 20% of the entire population consisted of slaves.

Note: Some people gave themselves to powerful landowners in order to receive protection or food; one Anglo-Saxon will has a land-owner freeing those slaves who had “given her their heads for food.” Anglo-Saxons continued and expanded their slave system, sometimes in league with Norse traders.

Big Note: About 10% of England’s Population Entered in the Domesday Book in 1086 were [Slaves]

Chattel slavery of English Christians was discontinued after 1066, when William of Normandy conquered England.

The slave trade in England was abolished in 1102.

The restoration of order as the early Middle Ages passed was accompanied by the transmutation of this state into serfdom, and after the earlier portions, slaves were seldom of the same country as their owner in Western Europe.


the latinist
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

Obama has released his Certificate of Live Birth, a legal document which proves he was born in Hawaii. Hawiian law does not allow access to original birth records or the release of photographs of original records. What we have is the official proof (and ONLY official proof) of his birth in Hawaii, complete with an embossed seal (see the photos at factcheck.org) and a signature. It is admissible in all jurisdictions as proof of birth in Hawaii. He is therefore a citizen of the United States and of the state in which he resides. Period.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

You Democrats are so stoopid!

Who was Presidenet in 1961 when Barry Obama was born? Do you Left wingers even no your basic history? Well let me tell you.

It was JFK , a DEMOCRAT! It is as well known fact that JFK used his Special Opps forces to place phony birth announcments in Hawaiian newspapers. Witness at the time reported black unmarked helicopters landing nearby.

And now after all these years the plan is complete and the libs can force their Evil agenda of peace, prosperity and health care.


the latinist
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Amen.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

Jon: why is the republican party spending $1 trillion dollars trying to make this into a big thing? That’s right, $1 trillion dollars!

Two can play the bogus numbers game, boyo.


tonyronga
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

McCain was born in PAnama, so he is not US citizen either, according to the birthers


Why do I even bother?
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Hey racist dumbshit, Thomas Jefferson, who WROTE THE CONSTITUTION, SERVED AS PRESIDENT WITH A NON-CITIZEN PARENT. Get it? THAT MEANS YOU ARE WRONG AND/OR A LIAR.


politiliedetector
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

They are all prejudice nut-cake, who feels hurt by the fact that America has moved on from its overt racist attitudes of the past, the southern stategy is dead, find a real job!


Polly_Tics
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

If you don't know where Obama was born at this point, than I'm afraid you will never know. Your partisan rigor surpasses your desire to know, so there is little chance anyone can take you seriously.


Tim O.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

So, let's say you succeed in your campaign to strike down his right to be president. What do you think will happen then? Do you really think the people who voted for him give a rat's ass about what you believe? No they don't and making this into something like that is a recipe for the end of the republic, which frankly sounds what you really want. I'm from Illinois and believe you me Barack Obama is a patriot for the United States of America, the one that I live in. Apparently you live somewhere else entirely, probably without those pesky black folk or jews or those people from mexico. Sad, really. This is a great country, too bad you don't understand that.


we need logic
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Hey Florida Christian,

Well if you go to Wikipedia or even go to their state government website, you will cleary understand that Hawaii is a state. It was admitted to the Union on August 21, 1959, according to the Hawaii Admissions Act, which was passed by both the senate and house and was signed by President Eisenhower.


Mike G
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Yup,and we know how very competent the McKennedy, er, McCain campaign was.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

You could be an Al Qaeda operative trying to spread disinformation with the intent to destroy this country. Perhaps we need to see your original live birth certificate before we can believe anything you say.

See how this works?


dougmataconis
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

David,

Have you talked to anyone in the HRC campaign about this ?

I'm betting we'd find they looked into the issue as well, and similarly rejected it


notsettled
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

If that's the only proof of his being born there, then we're in trouble, because that's a copy without any seal that anyone could do.

…..And that's no proof of anything in the end so we don't know who he is which isn't good


ibiditic
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

he got it wrong on comprehensive immigration reform, too


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Wikipedia is a communist front. The so called “state government website” is as fake as the moon landing. You will have to give me more credible sources than that if you want me to believe this LEFT WING PROPAGADANA about this so called “Hawaiian statehood”
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jackiebell
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Dear Fla. Christian (?) You are all “wet” and completely misinformed. Your Christianity has spread to your brain. Paranoia does run deep in religious fanatics–and THAT IS an historical fact.


tommylotto
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

The most meritorious argument — that dual citizens are not natural born citizens was bury after all the kook theories and poorly explained. Who are these Constitutional scholars that think it is dubious? Wydra makes no sense. Is she arguing that the 14th amendment do away with the qualifications? If so, let Arnold know! This issue is a blank slate as far as the Courts are concerned, because there has never been a POTUS qualification challenge.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

You could have stopped after the first three words.


Cheryl Johnson
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Believe me, your post proves this IS “about wingnuts”.I


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Now he was born on a ship? I thought you birther nuts had proof positive that his step-grandmother swears she saw him born in Kenya. Which is it?

What’s the matter, can’t keep your lies straight? Or did you need another lie when the first fell apart?

Or, are you birthers going to split into warring factions now? Will there be the Kenyan Birthers battling it out with the Born At Sea Birthers? What about the He’s Really an Indonesian Muslim and Therefore Not A Real Citizen Birthers?

Oh, goody, this is WAY better than reality TV.


Dessert39
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

WTF!!! Now he has 16 social security numbers!!!! Actually, if anyone has 16 social security numbers I would think that they really, really, really, love America. That would mean they are paying taxes 16 times!!!! Wow.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

Why should he have to prove anything? Where is the REAL proof that his mother traveled outside the US to give birth to him? Where are the details of his birth from a doctor/mid-wife/hospital in a foreign country?

Do you people really think that between the Secret Service, FBI and CIA — that NO ONE vetted him and his eligibility for POTUS? ???? I know the government is screwed up but COME ON!!!

For him to address the issue will only give raise to these nutcases.


gronkie
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

The birther movement is just the start of the Republicans putting into play the strategy that they followed during the Clinton administration. They were able to make enough noise about Whitewater that an investigation was started. By the time it was finished years later, they had gone through Whitewater, travelgate, and numerous other issues, until they finally caught hold with Monica-gate, which hadn't even happened when the investigation started. They were able to disgrace (admittedly with Clinton's own help) a successful Democratic president which allowed them enough of a foothold to keep the race close enough to cheat their way into power in 2000. All the Repubs want to do is open an investigation, which they can use to harrass and persecute Obama throughout his presidency. It worked once, and they are hoping it will work again. Unfortunately for them, the last time around they had a Republican congress to authorize the investigation. This time they have a Democratic congrees who is unlikely to do that.


jackiebell
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

My Gawd–You folks are getting goonier and goonier!!! Your plots continually thicken, as you become more diluded. The best possible solution is to just ignore you and let you rant and rant until you finally run out of audience.


floridaatheist
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

Wow, the misspellings and drunken rantings in this post are just about perfect. If this is an example of who we'll face in the next election then we should just stay home.


scotchtape
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

You know what I find so odd about this, is no one is really talking about the reverse. Meaning, if Obama is not a citizen of the U.S…then…is he a man without a country? Because no other country has exactly come forward to claim the man.


John
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Florida is obviously being sarcastic, criticizing these outlandish claims.


kbean49
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

Thomas Jefferson did not write the Constitution. He wrote the Declaration of Independence.


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

8 Year Republican President George W.Bush

1. Over 25 year Family-Friends Relationship with the Bin Laden Family.

2. Had the FBI Escort Bin Laden Family & Saudi Royals Flown Home, during a No Fly Zone Period, when he could have Used the Bin Laden Family Members as Bait, Bargaining or Hostages, until Bin Ladens Surrender or Capture.

3. The Bush Business Ties [Prescott Bush] and the Republican-Corporate American Ties to Communist-Socialist China and how in 30 Years, the USA helped China become the World Dominant Economic Power.

Republicans: Prescott, George H.W. Bush, Nixon, Reagan & George W. Bush Jr….

By the Time Poor Clinton became President, the Red Communist-Socialist Chinese were Well Entrenched.

4. We Owe China 6 years and Counting, 20 Billion Per Month with Interest, to Finance our 2 Mid-East Wars and they Own Large Government Bonds.

Thank You [Republican Party & Corporate America]

Job Poorly Done

Talk about Con Men


politiliedetector
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

Are you serious?

You are a uninformed tool of the GOP and corporate elite which have dominated the policies of this nation for decades, creating artificial scarcity of goods, services, and healthcare for profit alone, and manufacturing wars and coup de tats to control the resources of 3rd world countries, and you think it's the libs with a evil plan? Go figure.

Your hero Ronald Reagan the “little horn of satan in the flesh” is the sell out on the grandest scale!

Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a treaty with the Pope. Hitler had a concordat. Mussolini had a concordat. Franco had a concordat. They want to set up a concordat here, which was the reason for Reagan formally recognizing the sovereign state of Vatican City in 1984. The greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald Reagan.

The New World Order has been actively in play for decades, so if it took the election of Obama to wake you up to reality, I would imagine that you still have no idea whats actually going on, and your uninformed ranting only obfuscates the truth, Obama is breaking down those institutional power structures and aliances that apparently you are fighting to preserve.

The GOP has always be part of the NWO take-over, why else would the so-called free-market, free trade model have such a negative affect on the median incomes of American citizens over the last 25 years if it's purpose was to create a better quality of life for Americans, and please don't say they are trying to help growth in emarging markets, when they oppose healthcare for 47M American citizens.

study to show thyself approved, for we die for a lack of knowlegde, spare the passion, build your knowledge!


cimsibs
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

Just show the darn long form that has been locked in the vault in Hawaii. BHO could make fools of those who refuse to believe he meets the requirements of the U.S. Constitution to be President of the United States by just showing the darn long form. End of story. Goodnight, Gracie.


Beca
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Listen you racist imbeciles! How in the world do you think President Obama passed the highest and most stringent national scurity test in the nation? with a wink and a smile? In order to actually hold the office of the President of the United States of America, one must undergo and pass a very lengthy and stringent national security and personal identity test, this includes the submission of original documents, information on every family member, including nationality, place of birth, etc., finger prints, etc. Everythying submitted is verified and authenticated to death. The President of the United States holds the highest national security clearance of the nation, and one does not obtain that with a smile and a wink! THIS CERTAINLY INCLUDES PROOF OF HIS BIRTH, BIRTH PLACE AND PARENTAGE! WHICH IS AUTHENTICATED IN THE STRICTEST OF FORMS!
U.S. Senators are also required to pass a stringent national security check in order for them to receive the necessary national security clearance for them to do their job. When President Obama became U.S. Senator, he also had to undergo a national security check to be granted the appropriate national security clearance to perform his job as a U.S. Senator.
He has had a U.S. passport since he was a child. In order to obtain a U.S. passport, one must submit the original birth certificate to the State Department, where it is verified and authenticated.
Those of you who chose to deny any and all evidence and proof are just doing this because you don't like the fact that our President is not white. Get over it and start behaving like Americans! Denying the legitimately elected and sworn in President of the United States is as un-American as can be.


karela
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

According to the natural borners, the only people in America who can be President are Native Americans. Everybody else who is here now was born to a “furriner” at some point in their chain.

This is a bunch of hooey from a few people who really hate the idea that a brilliant black man is in the White House. A whole lot more Americans are really glad that he's there in these times of trouble. That's why we put him there and that's why we have his back.

To the birthers:
Go home. Drink your moonshine. Tell yourselves that you're better than blacks because that's the only way that you can feel like you have any power in the world. Thank goodness that your numbers dwindle, but it would be a blessing to the country if you could all just get over yourselves. Slavery is over as is Jim Crow and America just isn't going to tolerate your ****.


ArtW
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

There is no way in hell that this imagephreak ” supported Obama”, and somehow now is changing his mind….Wow, what a bunch of bull.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

You Dumbocrats dont even know your basic history!

Panama WAS A STATE in 1939. It was admitted into the union on April 1st 1936.

FDR (a dumbocrat!) was a racist and refused to issue them a star in the flag.

The fact that you cant find any 49 star flags is proof!


redsongia
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

“Birthers” should have to prove they were citizens, beyond a shadow of a doubt, refuting all allegations to the contrary no matter how foolish the objections raised are, just in order to sue on this issue.


cjk002
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

More ignorance from a birther.

The document Obama presented does have a seal.

That document is proof, so says the Republican Governor of Hawaii and the director of the Department of Health.


supermario2
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

It is guaranteed that whomever the Republican nominee is in 2012 will openly make public his/her certified birth certificate to eliminate any and all doubt of his/her citizenship — and will then point to President Obama and say this is something he has not and will not do. They will campaign on this. Mark my words.


Azazel
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Its really a simple. Show us the Long Form and we’ll shut up. When you call people racist because they want proof you look like an idiot. Just like Bush supporters you result to name calling and attacking the messenger instead of examining the message.

It doesn’t matter if he was born on a ship, in Kenya, or on Krypton. If he wasn’t born in the US he cannot be president. Just have Hawaii show us the long form and this thing is over.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam


lewmanbubba
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Yes I Know my family being in the doomsday book so we were slaves. My famly has been in America since 1648. A family member was witness to a will and was listed as lewman ( a free man )


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

Oh no….Jon has a master’s degree and he makes wads and wads of money each year. Way more than anyone else here. So what he says is gospel, people.

Yeah, and Diogenes is gonna get laid tonight (not by his hand puppet, either).

What about the trillion dollars being spent by the repubs, Jon? Huh? Cmon.


AMac
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

Hate to break it to you Why Even Bother, but Jefferson didn't write the constitution. He was in France as the American ambassador. Pick up a book.

I think the evidence in the newspapers is good enough. But why spend millions of dollars when you can just release your (medical records, school records, birth certificate, etc) records for free?


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

Look, what is never emphasized in any of these so-called “birther” dismissals is the fact that Obama himself gives the evidence against his own eligibility on his own websites. He admits that he WAS a citizen at birth of Great Britain. Thus, he held dual citizenships at time of birth and THAT is what makes him ineligible, according to the Constitution, for POTUS. There has never been any President in the U.S. history who had dual citizenship or was not a child of two parents who were both citizens EXCEPT for Chester Arthur who knew he was ineligible and so had to forge fraudulent records of his birth which was later discovered in the aftermath of his term. So, even though people today are ignorant of what is demanded by the Founders in the Constitution, we see that our history shows that it has been well understood by those who did not lack good education in our country's real history. AND …. we are witnessing the results of just such a one today whom our founders had the forethought to plan against (due to their own experience of fighting against those with loyalties to other than the U.S.). And we are seeing one more loyal to other than his own country as he attempts to dismantle its very foundations and discredits before the eyes of the world.


achiles
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Who fucking cares? These nutjobs are unhinged and nobody really gives a rat's ass what they think (or should i say imagine?) anyway. Reality is hard pill for them day in and day out. I hope the Republicans keep siding with the crazies on this story and any other nutjob rant and against any meaningful health care reform because it will mean a generation or two of them left in the political wilderness. Yeah, they bitch and moan and threaten seccession, but these people are cowards. They'll bitch and moan and then die penniless and powerless and spend their whole life blaming the other. A domestic terrorist or two will rise from their ideological ranks but that's all we will have to worry about. The rest our sheeple who will bitch and moan and get frustrated but are powerless to do anything about it. What a sad bunch of crazies!


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

If Obama had been born in Arkansas, the wacky kooks could have tied that into their Grand Unified Field Conspiracy that the Clenis had Ron Brown and Vince Foster murdered to pave the way for Obama's socialized healthcare. Make sense? Than you're not a birther.


Beca
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

No, idiot! the 14th Amendment clarified that the nationality of the parents was not the sole determining factor in the natinoality and citizenship of the child. If the child was born on U.S. soil, the child is a natural born U.S. citizen, even if the parents are not–as were the slaves–their children born on U.S. soil were automatically natural born U.S. citizens.
The parents could be legal residents of this country and give birth to a child on U.S. soil–that child is automatically a natual born U.S. citizen.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

Like we should listen to the stupid Democrats on this issue.

These are the same people that are trying to stop the wars and force us all to have health care.!!!!

Sara Palin/Joe the Plumber 2012


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

Listen you racist imbeciles! How in the world do you think President Obama passed the highest and most stringent national scurity test in the nation? with a wink and a smile?

Another misinformed comment. There is no such “test”. All that was required was that a national party – the Democratic one – to nominate him officially. No one accepted any responsibility for validating his eligibility. NO ONE!


Sean
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

The proper response to any and all birther claims is simply:

LOL.


jham710
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Well, the State Department accepts it, since he traveled with a US Passport for YEARS! Where were you born? If a Certified Copy of your birth certificate is all we would have as proof of you being born where you were, then well, I guess you're in trouble too. We would need more proof.

Would 2 birth announcements in 2 different newspapers at the time work for you? Not enough proof, I suppose.

Amazing to me…this daftness and the fact that it's also coming from the mainstream now.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

Do you trust Weigel's reporting? If so, see Dave Weigel lie through his teeth on the Rachel Maddow show.

Since HuffPostians are going to fill the comments with content-free jokes and lies, it would be great if others could from time to time correct their lies using my topic page about this issue.


Beca
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

No you Florida idiot! Panama WAS NEVER A STATE AND NEVER ADMITTED INTO THE UNION! The Panama Canal was a territory of the United States for military purposes only. It was later returned to Panama under the original agreement. Get your history straight before you spew more lies about our country!


karela
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

#1: It's against the law of the state of Hawaii to show the original. That may be because it contains private information that is protected by law, but it wouldn't make any difference. These people won't believe the Republican Governor of Hawaii that she has seen it and that it is authentic, nor will they believe the head of their health services who said the same after checking it out. If they released all of the personal information that is on his original birth certificate, it wouldn't do any good. These people are not interested in facts. If they had the name of the hospital and the name of the doctor and all of the other personal information found there, they would simply institute a vast investigation of all those details. Obama's step grandmother, who never saw him before he was in his twenties, misspoke through an interpreter and immediately corrected herself about where Obama was born. The birthers just took out the immediate correction and ran with the mistake. They would try to do the same with every person who's alive or has a relative or friend who's alive who worked at or near the hospital when Obama was born. That would draw some crazies who are looking for some fame and it would go on and on.

If the Obama administration chose to do anything, it could send some experts to look at it, but I doubt that it would do any good.

#2 No white President has ever been treated like this. It's very shabby.


seedaddy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

Following the tortured logic of the birthers, Geo. Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison were not legitimate Presidents because the did not meet the birthers definition of “natural born citizen.” Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison were British citizens because they were in a British colony to parents who were British citizens. Thus, the 14th Amendment. Otherwise, at the founding of the USA, no one had the strict “natural born citizen” qualifications.


mbp
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

As if that would stop them… They would find something else to grab on to. There is enough evidence to show that this is all BS. More evidence will not make a difference.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

Stop lying. HI's governor has never said any such thing. If you have a direct quote from HI's governor to back up your claim, post it. Otherwise, stop lying.


Chris H.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Why do I even bother — you are truly the racist dumbshit. Completely ignorant of the facts and constitutioal law of the country you live in. The founders included a clause in the Constitution which exempted the current citizens from the “natural born” requirement. Take 5 minutes and research it before you embarass your self and insult the logically thinking people visiting the site.

This is not a racist issue — the same people would be bringing these cases if McCain were pres. This is about clarification of the law. The president has provided no evidence that he meets the constitutional requirements for president. McCain's lawyer is mistaken is saying there is no evidence to the contrary — Obamas mother gave a sworn affidavit that she witnessed his birth in Kenya! Also, birth announcements are not sufficient proof to even play little league softball or attend public school, hold a job, etc. Long form BC would be a good start for evidence, although only SCOTUS can resolve the ambiguity of “natural born” as it applies to those born to at least 1 foreign national. Do some research. And the Keyes case will probably be heard on the merits in California soon… so thats why there's been a sudden media blitz to try to fend off the growing outrage.


krumbum
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

You're a constitutional scholar, not.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

Take pride and ownership of your craziness, dude. This is republican intelligence, through and through.


postroad
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Folks ought to begin compiling a list of all those known birthers and you will see what nutters they are, en masse or each one at a time. I would be wary of wanting my name associated with that gang of strange people.


KennyFox
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

Love how these reich wingers like to use their own as examples, in an effort to appear nuetral. He speculated what might happen if Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.), whose parents were Indian, became president. “India is a nuclear power. Here comes the president, who says we have to go in and attack Pakistan. Are we doing that because we are defending India’s interests? You just don’t know. You can’t have Constitutional rule if you allow this.”
I would bet the life of my mother that this idiot would vote for Jindal for Pres if he was running against ANY Democrat, even a southern one who wears a crucifix and has an American flag tattooed on his delts.


karela
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

Obama HAS. He was born in Hawaii and he has offered exactly what the State of Hawaii presents as it's certified birth certificate. They have a state law that protects their citizens privacy. They do NOT release or copy the original birth certificate. All Hawaiians get their passports with the form the state offers. The Senators and Representatives from Hawaii prove their identity with the state of Hawaii's forms. This is the official birth certificate of the state of Hawaii and Obama presented it ages ago! If you don't like it, you could try to get the state of Hawaii to change it's laws, but until then, this is the way it is.


krumbum
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

Birthers are losers.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Reptillian demons from the 4th dimension can materilize in our space time and go to Harvard Law School without ever have actually been “born”.

You DEMON crats voted into the highest office in the land a shape shifing interdemensional entity.

And you call US kooky!


KennyFox
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

<The president has provided no evidence that he meets the constitutional requirements for president. > Ummm, yes he has and so has the Supreme Court of the United States.


Beca
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

No! The military IS NOT CONCERNED, THEY LIKE THE REST OF U.S. CITIZENS AND THE WORLD ACCEPT PRESIDENT OBAMA AS OUR LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT. It is one or two wacko enlisted idiots who enlisted just to then officially deny their orders of deployment on grounds that our President is not really our legitimate President. It was all orchestrated by this stupid birther group.
If he passed the most stringent national security and personal identity check in the nation, in order to be granted the highest national security level in the nation, don't you think that during that lengthy process, somebody would have checked and authenticated his birth certificate, identity through finger printing, and every document they could find? Stop being such idiots, you make America look really stupid and ignorant!


connjdllm
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

If you read the Constitution further, it provides another basis for those alive at the founding, namely Geo. Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, to be President. Obama does not meet that basis nor the natural born citizenship basis. The Law of Nations describes 3 types of citizenship: natural born, native born and naturalized. Natural born requires both his parents to be citizens. One was not. So, even if born in Hawaii, at best, he is native born and does not meet the Constitutional requirement ans there are doubts that he is even native born.


joe2bos
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

As the saying goes: you can not wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep.


johnnyforeigner
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

OK, so I'm not a US citizen, but as an outsider looking in, I am totally baffled that this is even a thought, let alone a debate. Why are people across the US wasting time, effort and no doubt money to debate this crazy argument? The world, that vast area outside of the US, is rolling its eyes. It is supposed to look up to the US? Tell me how when this is the hot topic.


KennyFox
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Because it was obvious you dolt.


KennyFox
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

Good point! Sarah/Joe and the Boston Cop as State Dept Head in 2012!!!


Sheila
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Also, how do we really know that the man living in the White House ACTUALLY IS the child born to Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr.?


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

It is a well known fact that Vince Foster had the original Kenyan Birth Certificate in his brief case when Hillary killed him.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

Hundreds of documented lies? Hmmm, interesting, if true.

Tell you what, pick the 10 worst, most offensive DOCUMENTED lies Obama has told; list them here, with proof (REAL proof! Freeper site links are not proof), and I will admit that he is a liar.

Remember, they have to be documented and proven, otherwise you’re an admitted liar.

I’m betting you’ll ignore this post.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

Now there’s an original line.


Tim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

Anyone that refuses to believe something after it is proved time and time again is a moron.

If you think the world was created in 7 days, less then 10k years ago, you are a moron.

If you think that the world is flat, you are a moron.

If you think that Elvis is alive, you are a moron.

If you think that everyone in Hawaii, everyone in Chicago, everyone in the government, everyone in McCain's campaign, everyone in Clinton's campaign, and everyone in the previous administration including George Bush is lying to protect Obama, YOU ARE A MORON.

It doesn't get more simple then this.


karela
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

“The libs evil agenda of peace, prosperity and health care.”

That should have been a big enough clue that the author was using satire to make a point, but apparently not big enough for some.


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

Following the tortured logic of the birthers, Geo. Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison were not legitimate Presidents because the did not meet the birthers definition of “natural born citizen.” Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison were British citizens because they were in a British colony to parents who were British citizens. Thus, the 14th Amendment. Otherwise, at the founding of the USA, no one had the strict “natural born citizen” qualifications.

Reread the full statement for eligibility.

No person except a natural born Citizen, OR A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CONSTITUTION, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

No fair leaving out the REST of the statement beyond the requirement of the NBC portion. That qualifies your so-called “ineligibles”. Leaving out the whole statement always seems to be the way to obfuscate the truth to the poor ignorant. Next time, all the definition please.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

Hear anything from Shirley yet?


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Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Fox News analyst Ralph Peters for Secretary of Defense


millgrist
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

” …… believers in these various theories and readings of the Constitution argue that they have never been proven wrong.”

That seems most likely because the people who believe such stuff are already resistant to reason and evidence. More reason, more evidence, more certification by trusted authorities can not dislodge firmly held beliefs anchored on the rock of irrationality


Tim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

You are right. I am American, and I am sickened by how ridiculously stupid, and proud of it, most of us are. Its cool to fail highschool and become a laborer in most towns. How sad. These are the people that burned witches and think that some books are written by the devil.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

Well, duh, if you were black and president, they’d hate you too.


Alan Kao
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Nice biased article, David. Barry's never provided a “Certificate” of Live Birth. And again, the pro-barry b.s. artists attempt to blur the line between “citizen” and “natural born”. The 14th amendment has nothing to do with “natural born”.
Barry's most damaging secret may not be about citizenship or natural born status at all. There are potentially worse revelations for him than not being born where he claims. We don't know anything about Obama's past beyond what he's told us in his “memoir”, and he clearly has been proactive in keeping his birth, medical, and school records under wraps. You don't do so without a reason. And the breach of his passport records by an underling of John Brennan (an Obama security adviser) should be suspicious to everyone.
He acts like a man hiding something.
Why don't you write an article on the birth/vital records issuance practices in Hawaii, now and in the 60's, what a “Certification” of Live Birth is, when the electronic form was first put into use, the number of root documents it could potentially represent, the birth record amendment policies and procedures and how an amendment might reflect on what is displayed on a current “Certification” of Live Birth.
If you're going to be content to simply ridicule people for pursuing the issue, shouldn't you be ridiculing Obama as well for taking it seriously enough to pay Perkins Coie and other firms to battle these lawsuits? If Barry thought it was all as big a joke as you do, I'd imagine he'd release the sought after records and make light of it. So, to be consistent you should be calling Barry a “birther” too. He obviously takes the matter as seriously as those “crazies” you mock.


Tim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

If you think that everyone in Hawaii, everyone in Chicago, everyone in the government, everyone in McCain's campaign, everyone in Clinton's campaign, and everyone in the previous administration including George Bush is lying to protect Obama, YOU ARE A MORON.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Oh, burn. Good one. Everyone knows people who live in Kenya are bad, just ask at church on sunday.


Chris H.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

If I want to get a job and they ask me for a Birth certificate, I can't tell em to go check my website and download a photoshop copy ! Same with little league for my kids — they want to see the original, or certfied copy of the ORIGINAL. Perhaps I could show them my old birth announcement ? Nah ..thay won't work either. Governor of HI says I have a BC …nope…not good enough. Show me the money as the saying goes…
For those of you who (scared or stupid I assume) who so readily dismiss the issue without researching, I quote Shakespeare: “This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man”

Research the facts and find out for yourself — its not untrue just because you hope or want it to be…

-CH


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ? http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/


jeninoh
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

“Obamas mother gave a sworn affidavit that she witnessed his birth in Kenya”

Bullcrap. The supposed affidavit was by Obama's Step-Grandmother not his mother and when she said she witnessed the birth in Kenya it was because there was a mistranslation… the family during the affidavit corrected the record several times, but, of course, that's not the part the birthers latch on to… because you are idiots.

The State Department issued Obama a passport identifying him as a United States Citizen. And that was well before he was President so don't cop out on that.

SCOTUS has better things to do than to listen to Alan Keyes, who they will likely rule lacks standing in his lawsuit as well.


Doubtful
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

Yep. I've read your topic page, and it's full of lies.

Once more —
__________________

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

Why are people across the US wasting time, effort and no doubt money to debate this crazy argument?

Ask the “President”. He's the one, perhaps unbeknownst to most out there, who is spending, reportedly around at least a million dollar figure to high powered attorneys to keep hidden ALL of his records of his history – birth, educational, medical, writings, etc. – from the deserving public. He has sealed EVERYTHING. As far as a waste of money – he himself appears to be doing the wasting when he could get a long form informative birth certificate for, what, $20??? And this is the advertised “TRANSPARENCY” of all things Obama!! There appears to be boiling frogs everywhere out there these days.


Tim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Cool, you run a website so that you can make money off of stupid people who believe you. Did you figure out any way to capitalize off of autism or other mental diseases yet?


jeninoh
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

The State Department has pretty stringent rules for getting a passport… which Obama got long before he was President.

It sounds like you are the one that needs to research the facts.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

Ahh, if only something could really make you whackos shut up. Now there’s a dream.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Here you go moran-

Aloha,

Thank you for emailing Governor Linda Lingle's office. A recent article in WorldNetDaily.com (October 26, 2008) claiming that Hawai‘i Governor Linda Lingle sealed Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate is false.

Under Hawai‘i's state law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18), copies of vital records may only be released to those who have a tangible relationship to the person whose record is being sought. Neither the Governor's office, nor any other office in the State of Hawai'i, can provide information concerning birth certificates, or produce birth certificates, to anyone except those who are listed in the law governing vital statistics records.

Vital statistics records, such as birth certificates, are protected by strict confidentiality requirements. Specifically, pursuant to section 338-18, Hawai‘i Revised Statutes (HRS), the Department of Health, which maintains these records, may not allow the inspection of a birth certificate, or issue a certified copy of a birth certificate, or disclose any information contained in a birth certificate, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record:

(a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;

(2) The spouse of the registrant;

(3) A parent of the registrant;

(4) A descendant of the registrant;

(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;

(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;

(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;

(8) A personal representative of the registrant's estate;

(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;

(10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child's natural or legal parents;

(11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;

(12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and

(13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

You can find the complete statute at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_…

Mahalo,

Office of Governor Lingle


Chris H.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

You may do well to pose your question to our President — the COMMANDER IN CHEIF of the most powerful military on the planet! Why do you fight this, spending upwards of $1 million when you could put it all to rest in 5 minutes by releasing your info. He is arrogantly defying the Americans he serves by refusing to show us his birth history, college records, etc. Are we Americans not important enough that we should get to see this info? The man is hiding information, regardless of politics, it is unbecoming of ours leaders to insult those he serves by not offering any and all info we want regarding his background!


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Prove it.


nativegirl
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

I'm amazed this storyline is still newsworthy. The World is disgusted by this trap, and BS. Doesn't anyone have anything credible in their own crummy lives. The World cries 'foul' to Americans who pursued this racist road. How disgusting and appalling, the ignorant have a loud voice.


Tim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

All your comment says to me is, “I want to believe that Obama was not born here because I don't like him. I am willing to look and act like a complete imbecile if that is what it takes. Maybe if I type in all caps people will believe the lies that I have already accepted as my new religion. I am dumb window licker.”


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

Prove it.


Susan
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

Well said!


Tim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

If you think that everyone in Hawaii, everyone in Chicago, everyone in the government, everyone in McCain's campaign, everyone in Clinton's campaign, and everyone in the previous administration including George Bush is lying to protect Obama, YOU ARE A MORON.


Susan
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

Our President, Mr. Obama, HAS proven it.

I have yet to see even one of your ilk offer the remotest “proof” that President Obama was not born in the United States.

Here's your chance…..I suggest you take it or STFU.


nativegirl
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

Prove this easily to yourself instead of broadcasting your own interpretation of what you might think. It's easy to do, but wont' because the crazies are a meal ticket for the party of lazy old white men.


PaulT
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

Why doesn’t the President dig one layer deeper and release the original or his birth certificate? Because it wouldn’t matter to the birthers. Legal documents, Republican governors, newspaper birth announcements (which come from the state Dept. of Health and not the parents btw) are all dismissed out of hand. Evidence is irrelevant. The real issue for birthers is that in their minds the President is “the other”, the outsider, someone who doesn’t belong to their identity group. It could be because he is half black, had a Muslim father, went to Harvard, lived in Indonesia, grew up in Hawaii or any of the other things about his life that some people can’t comprehend, much less relate to. This has nothing to do with facts or logic, so everyone can save their breath.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

@Shirley…patient records is IHI information..protected by federal law…shirley….McCain said it was a lie….give it up..i am from Kenya..the man wasn’t born at my home…


SamR
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

He's keeping his writings secret? I'm pretty sure you can find “Dreams From My Father” on Amazon.com.


patisok
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Crazy Crazy Crazy. He is black. That is the bottom line. We do not want a black man for president. No matter what he produced to confirm his birth, it will never be enough. The hate out there is thick. Folks wont admit it but it racial. America will be a minority held country within 25 years. We can not bear to think of that. So we will persecute this first man who is truely an African American. president. African father American mother. We will push hate at him til some one murders him. That is what this is all about. God help those Christians from whom I have heard the most vile hatred towards this man. God is watching you all. I swear if he is killed I know exactly who to blame. Fox, Rush and their air headed viewers who see their lily white world passing away from their old eyes. God have mercy on their souls.


Chris H.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Apply this comment to yourself, because you're the only one that seems to believe it! Did you read the article, seen the Campbell interview lately? These people aren't lying ..nobody indicates they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama meets the “natural born” requirement. Why don't you research the FACTS and the LAW instead of posting opinionated, unsubstantiated tripe like this. And ask yourself something — where's your allegiance, to the Constitution, or to Obama. Hint: One would be a republic, and the other means you live in a dictatorship.

-CH


Chris H.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Apply this comment to yourself, because you're the only one that seems to believe it! Did you read the article, seen the Campbell interview lately? These people aren't lying ..nobody indicates they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama meets the “natural born” requirement. Why don't you research the FACTS and the LAW instead of posting opinionated, unsubstantiated tripe like this. And ask yourself something — where's your allegiance, to the Constitution, or to Obama. Hint: One would be a republic, and the other means you live in a dictatorship.

-CH


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

Disagree with the facts. Clue to those without them – name calling and normally foul language – the new American culture promoted by Obots.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

Should we tell them that anyone with Photoshop could scan in an image of the BC, pixelate it to make it look fake and repost it to fool stupid birthers?

Or would that just confuse them even more?


SamR
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

So your argument is also that Obama has never been employed?


johnnyforeigner
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

Not quite sure what the military has to do with this but as I said in my earlier post, I am still baffled by your interest in this nonsense.


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

I followed this story since Sept 2008….up to Nov 2008 and wonder why Obama just keep quiet and redirect people to misinformation when a $5 birth certificate could be released from Hawaii to a group of expert to vertify. The reason is story is still around is being Obama's messiah aura is dimming and media is running out of things to praise the great one…


SamR
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

You repeatedly lie about the state of Hawaii's confirmation of the birth certificate:

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.ht…


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

No, it's not full of lies. No one has been able to find a specific thing wrong with it.

And, I called Okubo after Weigel printed that quote above, and she refused to confirm the impression Weigel was trying to give.


What's Hap'n
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

Well, we are a system of laws ruled by our Constitution. The lines in question were written for a reason. People can google the Constitutional convention and read about the reasoning for this stipulation.

Obama can put the whole thing to rest by getting a small group of citizenship believers and non-believers and document experts together to go over the document. In the meanwhile, his refusal gives the appearance that he has something to hide.


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

Have you seen his previous passports? Didn't think so. No one else has either. You see, they've also been sealed by the “transparent one”! Were they U.S. or Indonesian or other? On what did he travel from Indonesia to Pakistan?


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

As other commenters have mentioned, I personally want the birthers to keep making this an issue for the next 8 years. Don't let go….keep pressuring your Republican Party leadership to walk the plank and start running teabagging birthers to represent you in Congress! The rest of us sane people will be happy to see the Republican Party morph into the discredited Clown Party. What George W. Bush started, I hope the birthers finish it.


Alan Kao
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

You don't make much sense there. Not sure what you're trying to say. “Prove” what to myself? I already know that the “Certification” Obama has posted is being misrepresented as something it is not, and is not being fully explained in what it can represent.

And, I'm not a “lazy old white man”. lol. Sorry to upend your worldview.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

Darn, the smart republicans found out about the conspiracy. They’ll be back in power now.


Tom
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

The birthers want to believe that Obama is not eligible to be President and twist the truth to their advantage because he's “different than us”, he's not eligible because he's “not American”. In other words they believe that he has a fatal flaw. These declarations are dog whistles for “he's black”. The racist, conspiracy whack-jobs are also upset that Barack Obama (a black man) won the election, and he did it by a huge margin.


Judas Gutenberg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

I can't believe this man WHO WAS BORN IN KENYA!!! is president of the United States! This just drives me crazy! It makes me slap my face and jump up and down like those heterosexuals attending the cage match near the end of Bruno. G. Gordon Liddy, whose knowledge of current affairs knows no limits, helpfully pointed out that Obama's step grandmother SIGNED AN AFFIDAVIT stating he was born in Kenya. Case closed! He needs to be rousted out of office and Rush Limbaugh put in his place. Only then can we fix healthcare!


nativegirl
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

After the slaves where set free, many old white men needed their help with plantations and were upset over the freedom act. What did they do? They brought over Germans. The need persisted so after WWI and WWII many more Nazi prisoners captured by U.S. forces used them as your slaves on their plantations.

So what do you have now? You have 25% of Americans are German. Many at highest levels in state or country. This is just a fact. But you have to recognize the 'White Supremecy', love hitler and adore him still in fact growing………………….is stemming from this group of racist Americans. This group is part of who is running washington on the republican side, in fact ……recent talk of the 'Family' on “C” Street………..adores hitler and supports his ideals. Now is the time to see what 'Lazy old fat cat White Men” did to society”. They destroyed America, vote by vote. Look at Limbaugh, Bohner, Bachmann, …Liddy, Rove. Irish and British, not your country anymore. Sad, sad, sad thing for America becoming the New Germany.


apetra
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

Obama has repeatedly said he has in a box at home an original birth certificate (not the computer generated official certification).

That he won't show it, I think, reveals much about the man.

It is a strategy right out of “Rules for Radicals”, to inflame conspiracy theory and divide your opponents. He cares little or not at all for bringing people together, and sees political gain in division. He is the most partisan President in modern times.

I blame Obama for the “birthers”.


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

This story of his birth has been around since he was a presidential candidate. Many lawsuits with different angles filed by different people and states made it to the Supreme Court. Some where filed by AG but all were dismissed as “lack of standing”. This is a simple question that deserve a simple answer. No president / candidate before had an issue of coming clean. Go figure.


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sazndyylisto
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

Your so right and I'm sick to have to admit it!!!!!


Chris H.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

Susan, I'm afraid you are an ignoramus. If you are comparing proof, the evidence overwhelmingly supports that he does not “MEET THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS”. (You say born in HI, but thats not the only issue.)

Re Born in HI: No original BC — experts have testified in court, however that the COLB online is a forgery.
Obamas Grandma testifies she witnessed his birth in Kenya — sworn affidavit — circumstantial, but very compelling.
Not only is the real EVIDENCE to prove this issue in Obama's hands, but he refuses to show it! What does that tell you?
Gov of HI says the have A bc on file, but refuse to tell us what it says or show it. It may say place of birth Timbuktu for all we know!

The issue is clearly in doubt, one way or the other. Those who believe blindly or ignore the constitional law of our nation, are the truly dangerous ones.

This case has NEVER been heard on the merits in a US court of law, but there is a good chance that will happen soon in CA — then, everyone can present their evidence and the Judge will likely subpoena the release of the original bc for scrutiny, then we can at least get that little elusive piece of info resolved.

-CH


terragazelle
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

“Obamas mother gave a sworn affidavit that she witnessed his birth in Kenya!”

Well if Obama's mother was there I bet she did witness her son's birth…but since his mother has never been to Kenya, my bet is that she did not witness it.,..because he was not born there. Moron…I will type slow….if Obama's mother had never been to Kenya..chances are HE WAS NOT BORN THERE!…sheesh.


johnnyforeigner
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

And when did Bush reveal his birth certificate? What about Clinton…what date was that on? Carter? Can you advise? And can you advise where in your laws it says that all these presidents must email/post/telegram/carrier pigeon their birth certificates for all to see?


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

It really doesn't matter where he was born. He himself has admitted on his own website/s that he was a dual citizenship at the time of his birth – also a citizen of Great Britain. That in itself disqualifies him for eligibility according to the Consitution's requirements. You may look at all of the precedent cases that define that fact. Of course,who cares these days about the country itself, those who fought for it and its beloved Constitution under which all these leaders have sworn to uphold and defend – against DOMESTIC enemies as well as foreign ones. God bless all of the loyal citizens who have given up their lives for the sake of these truths and freedoms that so many today flush away so easily to their own detriment.


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

It isn't what the birthers want to believe or what the obamabot wants. Don't need to go to racial comments and try to destroy each other. Nobody knows the truth until it is revealed. The truth is in the original Birth Certificate that Obama doesn't want anyone to see.


huffporeader
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Great reporting.


Chris H.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Well Johnny foreigner. If the military (rightly) has reason to beleive the commander in Chief of the armed forces has no legitimate authority under the US constitution, then it is their SWORN DUTY not to obey his orders. Furthermore, if he is found to be illegitimate for office, any treaties, laws, declarations of war, etc will be considered null. Additionally, our military men fighting will not enjoy the protections of the Geneva Convention in the event of capture, or armistice, etc. So, its kind of important that we're sure he has legal authority to act as POTUS.

-CH


Chris H.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Well Johnny foreigner. If the military (rightly) has reason to beleive the commander in Chief of the armed forces has no legitimate authority under the US constitution, then it is their SWORN DUTY not to obey his orders. Furthermore, if he is found to be illegitimate for office, any treaties, laws, declarations of war, etc will be considered null. Additionally, our military men fighting will not enjoy the protections of the Geneva Convention in the event of capture, or armistice, etc. So, its kind of important that we're sure he has legal authority to act as POTUS.

-CH


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

No you dip! it's because the forensic evidence “http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/07/obama-scrubs-the-web-of-all-birth-docs.html” clearly shows fraud which therefore makes him a forger. Can you figure out the implications from there? Or should I draw a picture? BAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! you say?


FemmeKat
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.” (emphasis added)

http://books.google.com/books?id=HRCHJp-V0QUC&p…

I don't know about you, but I've lost a LOT of papers and documents since I've been in high school, and I'm a FEMALE. Teenage males tend to be a bit more careless.

But it may have been in his Grandmother's care, because when he was a teenager, he lived with her. So it is possible it's floating around in a box that might have been packed away since her passing, OR she may have misplaced and lost it many years ago.

As President of the United States, he really does have more important things to do right now other than searching around for an old paper birth certificate THAT WOULDN'T SATISFY THE SCEPTICS ANYWAY!


Nita Lee
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Everyone who is actually interested for the right reasons and those who are not sore losers know President Obama's citizenship.
I'm waiting for you people to stop playing immature games behind the presidential election to be real men that the public can respect.


markhax
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

I wonder what percentaqe of the 'Birthers' are creationists? I suspect it's a very high percentage. I wonder what percentage of them believe that global warming is a hoax? I suspect there is a high overlap


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…


goheels
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

AstonKim –

Obama — and NUMEROUS others — have done exactly that. In Hawai'i you pay your $5 and get a Certified Copy of a “Certification of Live Birth” in which the recorder of vital statistics (or whatever his/her title is in Hawai'i) certifies that there is a Birth Certificate on file documenting the birth of the person listed on the date and place listed. You cannot get a copy of the ACTUAL birth certificate. Several officials in Honolulu have stated (maybe under oath?) that they have examined President Obama's actual birth certificate, that it is authentic and that ther Certification of Live Birth is legitimate and accurate.

What more do people want??? It seems some people will not be convinced unless Pres. Obama can come up with a time machine so they can to go back in time and actually observe Baby Boy Obama emerging from his mother's vagina.

This madness needs to stop.


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

John Campbell bill to require the birth certificate for president candidates is a great idea. It would be this birth issue to rest in the future. AND, it would be a telltale sign if Obama DOESN”T seek reelection in 2012.


Chris H.
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

THe question is moot since they no longer occupy the Whitehouse, Its also a weak effort to divert the argument to a meaningless and irrelavant speculation, but I'll humor you speculate that they would have had nothing to hide, and release the original documents without question. If they likewise refused to do so, then I'd take the same position that its an outrage and demand the release of the info to the public, wouldn't you? Or do you just follow dictators and such, based on their pronouncements, rather than the rule of law?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

You are 1000% Correct in your Assessment..

The Republican Credo-Mantra…

Fear, Hate, Dread, Doom & Gloom.

It’s Very Sad

Omaar


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

You are 1000% Correct in your Assessment..

The Republican Credo-Mantra…

Fear, Hate, Dread, Doom & Gloom.

It’s Very Sad

Omaar


Slim Cognito
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

When and where did he say this? I've heard birthers refer to it but never seen any proof. Sounds like a rumor to me.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

Thank You

These Nut Cases are [Outrageous]

Omaar


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

Thank You

These Nut Cases are [Outrageous]

Omaar


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

Birthers, they just don't get it. They keep asking the same questions, that have been answered over and over again. Are they that stupid, or just really in some dense denial?

But given how stupid they are, facts aren't going to convince them of anything. They believe every unconfirmed, unsubstantiated rumor and lie (like the $800K figure that Obama supposedly spent on legal fees to keep his true identity a secret) without having one single shred of evidence to support their cause. Not one piece of evidence to support their silly fantasy. Put up or shut up, birthers. Really. Don't you realize how bat shit insane you appear to the rest of us?

Try, just for a second, to be rational about this little theory of yours.

It's kind of sad really, watching adults act like children who cannot accept reality.

But one thing is for sure, it's says so much more about them than it does about Obama any day of the week.

The birthers are like cult members now. No amount of sunshine is going to penetrate their dark, locked minds. They have come to their conclusions first, and now, however pathetic, they are trying to fit what they believe are facts around the conclusion.

But it's one giant, epic FAIL.

And the more they stay at it, the crazier they become. They get more emboldened as the evidence doesn't point in their favor.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

More disinfo!!! The head of the department that issues the birth forms said “Absolutely not. No one in our office confirmed it.” But hey, nice try at repeating the Obama lapdog media's mantras and once again avoiding the forensic evidence posted at:
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
and
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

You’re an Adult ….

Please…

Go Away


ffakr
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

No candidate other than John McCain and, from what I understand a couple more over 100 years ago, have had to even deal with these accusations.
Your issue that he is less forth coming is ludicrist. He's had to bend over backward to prove something that was certified by scores of Hawaiian officials, including the Governor of Hawaii (of the opposition party).

He was vetted by the Secret Service. He was granted classified to top clearance first as a Senator, then a President so he was vetted by the Dept. of Defense. Hawaii has certified him.

There is nothing that can be done at this point to convince you, not because he hasn't amply proven he's a citizen but because your hatred of him demands that you support any effort to depose him.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

If that is your 'expert', then I can perform brain surgery on you for a good rate. I am an expert, because I said so online


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

You’re still Claiming to be an [Adult]

There’s Hope for Us  All..Huh


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

You’re still Claiming to be an [Adult]

There’s Hope for Us  All..Huh


johnnyforeigner
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

So why do people doubt Obama but did not doubt Bush, Carter, Reagan, Clinton and so on? I guess it must be because he is black, right? Such nonsense this discussion. But I thank you all for the humour it has provided while I wait for my dinner to cook which is now ready to be eaten. Keep up the nonsense, people!


Slim Cognito
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

Thanks, I should have read further before commenting. I couldn't find my keys from the day before, much less an old box from high school 30 years ago. I figured it was just another unfounded rumor.


FemmeKat
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

He wrote about it in his book, “Dreams of My Father,” referring to finding the “birth certificate and old vaccination forms” when he was in HIGH SCHOOL.

That was 30+ years ago.

See my comment below.


Sam
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Unfortunately these folks are being linked to conservatives who really want nothing to do with the legitimacy issue, regardless it's outcome.

For those of you who think it's about race, pull your heads out of your —–s. I can't stand Obama and what he represents ideologically, but I couldn't care less about his race. If this is about race, why did the left make the same challenges about McCain?

For what it's worth it even if I had ironclad proof of his Kenyan birth, I'd drop it in the the shredder faster than you could say “don't just stand there… nationalize something.” Idiot Americans elected the guy, so we live with him. You could run Fidel Castro for President and he'd probably get 30% of the vote even though he's Cuban AND a communist. The idea of constitutional eligibility is lost on these people entirely. They like him and that's all that counts.


Slim Cognito
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

That old felon lied (again). Did he show the affidavit? Of course not. It doesn't exist. That story was debunked a long, long time ago. Grow up.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Even then they would claim that it wasn't actually him.


ffakr
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Your source is a blog that targets and is run by fringe right wingers. Right. Maybe you should quote the Hilarious Conservapedia too.

THE STATE OF HAWAII, EVEN THEIR REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR HAS VERIFIED THE AUTHENTICITY OF HIS LIVE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Of course, Pam at atlasshrugs knows better.
You're pathetic.

If I tell you that Obama is a martian, would that be given the same credence reality?


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

I think you are lying through your tooth, if you’re a southerner.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

I think you are lying through your tooth, if you’re a southerner.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

“They believe every unconfirmed, unsubstantiated rumor and lie (like the $800K figure that Obama supposedly spent on legal fees to keep his true identity a secret) without having one single shred of evidence to support their cause. Not one piece of evidence to support their silly fantasy. Put up or shut up, birthers. Really. Don't you realize how bat shit insane you appear to the rest of us?”

The evidence has been put up! You Obots just engage in massive deflection of the issue rather than deal with the actual forensic evidence. Here it is again:
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

You wouldn’t know your Ear Hole from Your A!! Hole…

If Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage Or [False News] didn’t Distinguish the Two Holes for You.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

You wouldn’t know your Ear Hole from Your A!! Hole…

If Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage Or [False News] didn’t Distinguish the Two Holes for You.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

How about this? Text from the First Congress describing this requirement for a natural-born Citizen:

First Congress, Session II, March 26, 1790 Approved.

” And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens; Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose FATHERS have never been resident in the United States; “

“Resident” in this usage refers to someone who was in the process of naturalization. (becoming a citizen.)

Apparently the founders were Paternalists, believing that citizenship could only be conveyed by the father's lineage.

Since Obama's Father was in the process of Naturalizing to become an American Citizen, everything is okay, right ?

What's that you say ? He wasn't considered a resident under this Act of congress ? Well then, what is his son's citizenship status ?

I don't know either.


ffakr
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

“Barry's most damaging secret may not be about citizenship or natural born status at all. There are potentially worse revelations for him than not being born where he claims.”

You're absolutely right. He's a Martian.
I said so, it's true.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

To paraphrase the most trusted newsman in the US, Jon Stewart, “How about some evidence that you don’t get paid a quarter per tug”.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

To paraphrase the most trusted newsman in the US, Jon Stewart, “How about some evidence that you don’t get paid a quarter per tug”.


daltonII
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

The entire situation is nothing more than a diversion from Obama's agenda.

The Republican Governor of Hawaii has reviewed the birth documents and has flatly said they are accurate and true. The hospital administrator concurs. The newspapers ran birth announcement in 1961.

How could so many people (andy why would they) be in on such a ridiculous conspiracy.

And of course, we have Alan Keyes, who is as crazy as a loon, running the show.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

If the OBOTS want to continue to make comments about birthers and completely ignore the forensic evidence then I am going to continue to post it as a reminder to them as to how DISINTERESTED they are in the real facts. My apologies to those who share concerns about Obama's deceptions.

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

The “Birthers” are the unreasonable ones. They just won't pony up the $12.00 required to pay for a copy of Obama's Birth Certificate.


daltonII
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

Your source is some twit from TownHall.com?

What?

Karl Rove too busy?


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

Bullshit. The million dollar figure Birfoons lie about is the legal spending FOR HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. They argue that essentially every cent spent on the entire campaign was totally for that.

Even assuming the birfoon lies are true, why shouldn't he spend the money? Does being POTUS mean he should be subject to every whim of every racist buffoon who demands that Obama prove his suitability to their personal satisfaction?


jjgg5
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

I've noticed that Senator McCain has not come forth to debunk the lies of the “birthers”. Why?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

Click the link below for the punch line:
http://images7.cafepress.com/product/278928847v114_350×350_Front.jpg

See Saul Alinsky RULE 5: Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

(Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear. I can remember when liberals were nice people who were just wrong about most things. Now they are wrong and nasty.)

The “progressive movement” has shown itself to be a cesspool of intolerant bullies. The trademark personal insult, name calling, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks characterize the debate style of Obama’s people That tactic has worked quite well on the ignorant and those who value feeling more than reason.

Uninformed voted Obama –
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/12/uninformed-voted-obama-informed-voted.html

This is not new, transformational politics. This is the rise of a New American Fascism.

You might consult an article on this blog entitled. Spot false arguments and make strong ones.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/11/spot-false-arguments-and-make-strong.html


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

Click the link below for the punch line:
http://images7.cafepress.com/product/278928847v114_350×350_Front.jpg

See Saul Alinsky RULE 5: Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

(Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear. I can remember when liberals were nice people who were just wrong about most things. Now they are wrong and nasty.)

The “progressive movement” has shown itself to be a cesspool of intolerant bullies. The trademark personal insult, name calling, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks characterize the debate style of Obama’s people That tactic has worked quite well on the ignorant and those who value feeling more than reason.

Uninformed voted Obama –
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/12/uninformed-voted-obama-informed-voted.html

This is not new, transformational politics. This is the rise of a New American Fascism.

You might consult an article on this blog entitled. Spot false arguments and make strong ones.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/11/spot-false-arguments-and-make-strong.html


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Oh gee, I don't know, maybe he is ignorant of the forensic evidence like the OBOTS are?

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


maggymay53
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

Wrong, wrong, wrong………incorrect information. Rumor.


rhettab
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

I'm finding this rather comical. The Obama haters are just frantic! They can't stand that this brilliant Black Man is their Commander in Chief He's so much smarter and cooler than these conservative jerks – it really is funny. Another good joke is the nonsensical chronology of this theory….he was born in Kenya but then moved to Hawaii??? Why would they lie about that? Why would there be announcements in the newspaper at that time???? Are these people just plain nuts? None of it makes any sense. Are they just stirring the pot to try and …let me think about this…..get him impeached!!! That's it! Another impeachment – that's the only way they can get anything accomplished. What a mess they left us with – and even Clinton was able to balance the budget during non-stop investigations. I think the mainstream media gives these freaks way too much attention.


glorysong
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

Let them take it to court but I do not want to be in their shoes when everyone come and it is proven that President Obama is a citizen of the USA. How in the world did his Mother give birth to him in two different parts of the world on the same day. A nice Law suit would be nice for these so called Birther and throw Keyes in there also. That will stop it all. Every since President Obama got in there they have been trying to destroy him. But what goes around come back around. And I hope it destroy them.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

Not a single GOP politician has come to Obama's defense. Why? Because they want the story to stay alive in hopes of undermining him. No other reason. They don't have any moral principles at all. And given they are the biggest sore loser crybabies on the planet, why would they try and help the man who helped sink their party to new lows?


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/30/why…
Why is there different standards of transparency?

Certification of Live Birth is not the original. The original long form of birth certificate is wants being requested.

It is not a copy that's being requested. The sealed orignal is what is being asked for. It isn't good enough to say there is a person listed on the date and place listed by one official who have seen it personally. The issue warrants a group of experts to investigate this. This isn't a you and me. This is to verify the qualification for the most powerful position of the world.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

THE CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH HAS BEEN AVAILABLE FOR OVER A YEAR YOU MORON. What, should Obama mail each and every one of you mentally ill wantwits a copy?

Nice argument though, if we make fun of you idiots for filing the lawsuits that somehow Obama is equally culpable for fighting your pointless lawsuits? So by your logic since the lawsuits are baseless Obama should be obligated to accede to your demands?

yeah that makes sense. Unless you are sane.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

Here's another piece of logic I have trouble with. The state of Hawaii says they can't release Obama's birth certificate without his permission. What then is that thing that is supposed to look like a computer printout of a birth certificate which is all over the net ?

Obviously the state of Hawaii DID release it or they DIDN'T release it. Which is it ?


Negative Zero
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

Don't be fooled by “evidence”

I am very upset that the media and other liberals in America are ignoring the obvious fact of how the “evidence” that the “rational” people are suggesting refutes the unavoidable TRUTH that we have a Kenyan as POTUS – Time travel! Obviously, Obama and his cronies have gone back in time and changed the official records in Hawaii and posted the advertisement in the Honalulu newpaper. What's more, I have been told by an expert in such matters that Obama's time machine is fueled by t-cells extracted from third-trimester aborted fetuses and blood from endangered species. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!! {spontaneous declaration of something irrelevant follows here}

I propose legislation to outlaw campaign time travel, but only on a going-forward basis for the next election campain, requiring all candidates to certify that they are incapable of rational thought and the discernment of truth from blithering idiocy to ensure that our govenrment is controlled by “real Americans!”

To paraphrase Stephen Colbert – it is well known that the truth has a liberal bias.


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Please proof the Birther's wrong. This has been a problem since he was a presidential candidate.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Jilli
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

This whole birther bull is nothing but a diversion for the wingnuts on the right. If they enjoy waving their absolute ignorance and buffoonery like badges of honor, so be it. It's nothing but veiled bigotry for those who are weak minded and see a black man ascending above their accomplishments. It's delusional losers that don't have the sense they were born with. They're comedic fodder, nothing more.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

Here's your proof AstonKim!

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


cycodad
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

This kind of stupidity and ignorance is what led to the Kennedys,King and Medgar's assassinations. Some person becomes dissatified and starts a lie and people just jump on board because it sounds right or good.These people are not brithers..they are damn FOOLS. They are angry because a black man was elected to the highest office in AMERICA and probably the WORLD. I say “get over it you ignorant,stupid fools. But then you can not fix stupid. Most ignorant people will keep trying to fix a problem the same way,thinking they just might get a different result. When will AMERICA become an INTELLIGENT NATION?


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

We would do it in a heatbeat if Obama didn't seal it after he visited his ill grandma in Oct 2008.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

Do your own research OBOTS!!! If you would read the articles it's real easy to Google for additional information. Your not really interested in the evidence are you? You just want to discredit the author sso you don't have to admit you were duped by the usurper in the White House. Even if the authors had no more than a kindergarten education the photographic evidence shown makes it clear the document is fraudulent. Now go back and read the damn evidence and quit worrying about the authors education. Do you have to know who figured out 2+2=4 before you will believe it? Jesus H.Dopefiend! Free your mind and try logic for a change. You people are pathetic!!! More evidence for you. Oh yeah, be sure to discredit the author (credentials listed)because he wants to remain anonymous due to OBOTS who went to his house and trashed his property. REJECT SELECTIVE LOGIC!!!

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Getting tired of being proven wrong over and over? Getting tired of being called crazy? Whacko? Had enough of normal people pointing out that you are a tweaked little sick racist?


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Getting tired of being proven wrong over and over? Getting tired of being called crazy? Whacko? Had enough of normal people pointing out that you are a tweaked little sick racist?


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

Well, another interesting point is….who are the parents? The COLB doesn't show that only the Long Form Birth Certificate does…humm


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

When will you exercise your intelligence and examine the forensic evidence instead of repeating OBOT mantras?

Do your own research OBOTS!!! If you would read the articles it's real easy to Google for additional information. Your not really interested in the evidence are you? You just want to discredit the author sso you don't have to admit you were duped by the usurper in the White House. Even if the authors had no more than a kindergarten education the photographic evidence shown makes it clear the document is fraudulent. Now go back and read the damn evidence and quit worrying about the authors education. Do you have to know who figured out 2+2=4 before you will believe it? Jesus H.Dopefiend! Free your mind and try logic for a change. You people are pathetic!!! More evidence for you. Oh yeah, be sure to discredit the author (credentials listed)because he wants to remain anonymous due to OBOTS who went to his house and trashed his property. REJECT SELECTIVE LOGIC!!!

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

Don't try and use facts or simple logic with the birthers. They won't hear you. They've been consumed like cult members. Nothing will change their weak little minds, not one thing.

They keep asking the same dumb questions and the answers are out there, but they don't want to listen.

They ask, why doesn't he release his COLB?

The truth is Hawaii state law forbids it. Obama doesn't own it, the state of Hawaii does. They issued him a copy, like most states do, and that's what he used to get his drivers license, passport, etc.

And the birthers cannot fit this fact into their warped conspiracy, so they just hurdle right on past it as if they didn't see or hear it.

Does. Not. Compute. Consult. Altas. Shrugged. For. Next. Talking. Point.

It's called mass delusion.


jimmygreen
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

This birther BS makes me ashamed to be a white man in the South, come on people he won the election…lighten up and quit acting like fools.


terragazelle
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

Oh really? then you need to tell the director that..
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR

CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) 586-4410
Fax: (808) 586-4444

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93

STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i.”
###
For more information, contact:
Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Phone: (808) 586-4442


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

I can't agree more. Obama isn't any different than past presidents and should unseal his Birth Certificate, health records, and college records. Stand up as a real man in the public that no one can question.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Schism writes:
“Not a single GOP politician has come to Obama's defense. Why? Because they want the story to stay alive in hopes of undermining him. No other reason. They don't have any moral principles at all. And given they are the biggest sore loser crybabies on the planet, why would they try and help the man who helped sink their party to new lows?”

First point, because they don't know the truth, and wonder if he is in fact legitimate? I know I do.

Second point, Obama didn't do anything to them. He's an idiot that couldn't get elected dog catcher, and the proof is that only an idiot wouldn't realize it. The News/Entertainment media waged a massive propaganda war on the U.S. voters, and the stupid half of the country bought it. With Obama's KNOWN baggage, any reasonable person would have concluded that it was impossible for him to win the election. Only a fool would have tried.

Who could have known that the News/Entertainment media would have told so many lies and covered up so many ugly truths ? That his opponent INSISTED on being a Gentleman and treating him with undeserved respect ?

Yup, only a fool would have counted on all this.


robertgamble
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

“Natural born” means “natural born”. I doubt if, when the Constitution, everybody got birth certificates. But they didn't want someone coming over from England or wherever in their thirties and getting themselves elected, they wanted to make sure it was someone who was born here and grew up here.
Maybe bureaucrats screw up, but if there's a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper, that convinces me that he was naturally born in Hawaii, and no one should be making a fuss!
I was born in Philadelphia, I've gotten a copy from Scranton, but I have no idea what the “original” looks like or where I'd find it. But the certified copy I got works fine!


terragazelle
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR

CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) 586-4410
Fax: (808) 586-4444

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93

STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i.”
###
For more information, contact:
Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Phone: (808) 586-4442


Doubtful
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Obama, like many Americans, requested a certified copy of his Birth Certificate from the state in which he was born, Hawaii.

Hawaii did what they always do under such circumstances — they issued him a Certification of Live Birth, with a seal and a signature stamp.

The Obama campaign scanned it and posted it; and then invited members of the media to examine it in person at the Chicago campaign headquarters. FactCheck was the only organization to take them up on the offer, and sent representatives to look at it and photograph it.

That is where the online images come from.


crazynut
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

Those Germans got pay a wage for working. I know for the plain simple reason I knew some of them. This society was built by the people who lived above the Mason Dixon line (look it up if you don't know what that is. This is the reason the South was always poorer than the North. There was no slavery above the Mason Dixon line. Know your American History before you make your self look so stupid.


roberth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

You can debunk hardheld racist views. Racism, in and of itself is lunacy, so no one will ever “prove” anything to a racist's satisfaction.

old saying: “Never argue with a fool. People may not be able to tell the difference”

walk away from these “birther” idiots (racists).


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

Schism writes:


They ask, why doesn't he release his COLB?

The truth is Hawaii state law forbids it. Obama doesn't own it, the state of Hawaii does. They issued him a copy, like most states do, and that's what he used to get his drivers license, passport, etc.”

Okay genius. If Hawaii state law forbids it, how did he release it ?

If they DON'T forbid it, why hasn't it been released ?

I


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

Don't try and use facts or simple logic with the OBOTS. They won't hear you. They've been consumed like cult members. Nothing will change their weak little minds, not one thing. Except the forensic evidence which has been posted for the last hour and the OBOTS continue to completely ignore any reference to it. Sure shows who the real sheep are doesn't it?

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


terragazelle
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

Have you heard him say this…because I certainly have not..and I am a political junky on all things Obama. No where has he said this.

And tell me, if you have your original copy just where do you get a copy from? All we get are copies.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

They don't know the truth? Please. If there was the slightest bit of credibility towards the idiotic birther claims, it would have been widely exposed by now. Not a single newspaper, not a single news channel, not a single opposition reseacher has produced so much as a post-it worth of evidence.

You're just bitter and upset that Obama won the election. The people saw the choices presented, and they voted for the better qualified candidate. You cannot go back and argue this anymore, the election has been decided.

So you can either move forward like an adult, or you can sulk in the corner like some spoiled brat of a child.

Don't let me influence your choice.


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Ludicrist because you been played. Show me the scores of Hawaiian officials that certified it. No body in Hawaiian certified it. Several states filed lawsuit to get Obama to provide his long form birth certificate. DNC hasn't done its job to vet the candidates and “ignore” lawsuit to ask them to do so. Show me links that say the secret service vetted him. When he was a senator, he wasn't required to be a “natural born citizen”.

Have a group of legal document examiner review his long form birth certificate on file in Hawaii…that's all I ask….The one that he sealed aftering a day of stopping his race to visit his ill grandma. Convenient…


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

The only reason it's is forbidden is they just passed the law in the last year. Gee I wonder why?


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

This hoopla over a non-issue (the birth certificate has been examined and verified by MANY MANY republican officials including the governor of Hawaii), is another example of how really out-of-touch republican neo-cons are.

While everyday people and others in Congress are concerned about jobs, housing, health care, terrorism, etc. those neo-con bozos continue to waste our time and money by continuing on with their ridiculous rants.

Until the republican party starts to realize that Rush Limbaugh and company are not good role models it will continue to lose members like a water pail full of holes.


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

No it is not the original form, Hawaii does not release copies of the original form. However, it is a legal state document signed and sealed by a duly authorized representative of the Hawaii state government that there is a legimate, original form in there files. The Certification form is a legal document recognized by the state of Hawaii, and then by every other state in the union.

The only people on this planet that don't get this are the “birthers”, get a grip and a clue. They are a bunch of ignorant racists!


A
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

Wow, Idgit the Hun, I am saying OMG!

OMG, nothing you have said so far has happened. OMG “any day now Obama will be discovered” didn’t you say that in April? Christmas is coming any day now too, and the 2012 election, which Obama will win.

Guess what, Barack Obama is President, sitting in the White House running the United States, and he will be until AT LEAST 2012.

Hey, Idgit, say “OMG”!


A
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

Wow, Idgit the Hun, I am saying OMG!

OMG, nothing you have said so far has happened. OMG “any day now Obama will be discovered” didn’t you say that in April? Christmas is coming any day now too, and the 2012 election, which Obama will win.

Guess what, Barack Obama is President, sitting in the White House running the United States, and he will be until AT LEAST 2012.

Hey, Idgit, say “OMG”!


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

Obama has the copy which is the document that was posted online. I don't have my original either, as my state issued me a copy too. No one gets their original.

The information contained in the version he has has been verified, repeatedly by the director of Vital Statistics of the state of Hawaii.

So do you think he's covering for Obama too?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

RobertGamble writes:

“Maybe bureaucrats screw up, but if there's a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper, that convinces me that he was naturally born in Hawaii, and no one should be making a fuss!
I was born in Philadelphia, I've gotten a copy from Scranton, but I have no idea what the “original” looks like or where I'd find it. But the certified copy I got works fine!”

The story I read says birth announcements are automatically generated by reports filed with the Dept. of Health. All this proves is that someone filed a birth report with the Dept. of Health.

You have a very “low” standard of proof required for you to believe something.
If you can game the system by getting one of the Several forms of paper work that Hawaii accepts, (including births aboard a ship in international waters.) then the Birth announcement in the local paper is automatically generated.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

You are so right. Ive tried to explain to these idiot Dumbocrats but they are to stoopid to get it.

JFK authorized the DOD to begin time travel experiments they same time he gave NASA the go ahead to fake the moon landings. In one of the early experiments they traveled to 1975 and convinced the Bee Gees to give up on folk music and go disco.

Having suceeded in that JFK realized the only way he could realise his dream of putting a black muslim communist into the white house was to fake the paperwork on the birth certificates.

Its was a genius masterplan that almost worked except the patriots left in the Republican party are not going to sit idle and let it.


mgrip
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

This is the reason why the Republican party is about to be history in the North East.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

Hey OBOTS! Irregardless of whether or not the state won't release the original, the fact remains the document (COLB) furnished by Obama is a FRIGGIN FORGERY!!! But hey you don't know that because you completely refuse to examine much less even acknowledge the forensic evidence. Deflection, deflection, deflection, that is all you OBOTS are capable of. pathetic puppets!!!

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

See now most people would let the fact that he didn't seal it get in the way of them claiming he did.

I'm glad to see you aren't such a slave to “reality” or “facts” or pesky things like that.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

What law are you talking about?


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

For Greg and all the other “birthers” in this comment section,
Get thee to a doctor NOW. You all need to have the dose of your psych meds adjusted up immediately. The current dose is obvious ineffective and once again your suffering from delusions.
Oh wait, that means you'd have to see a doctor. do you have a healthcare plan? No? That's because you're wasting your time on this B.S. and not focusing on the REAL issues facing this country.
Face it, you don't like the person who WON the election. In fact, you don't the team he plays for. GET OVER IT!
You can't stomach the fact that he has the potential to get things done to FIX this country after the class clown and darth vader were “running” it for the last 8 years. so you resort to B.S. found on the internet as your “proof.” Just remember when you toss s–t, it tends to hit right back in the face. You better have some handiwipes near by. You're gonna need 'em!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

franceebee you said “I suspect that the person or persons for the state of Hawaii who encoded the original birth certificate onto electronic media actually SAW the “original birth certificate”

And they would have remembered that ONE particular birth certificate out of all those hundreds of thousands produced by their department? Yeah, right. *lol* Use YOUR head next time.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

franceebee you said “I suspect that the person or persons for the state of Hawaii who encoded the original birth certificate onto electronic media actually SAW the “original birth certificate”

And they would have remembered that ONE particular birth certificate out of all those hundreds of thousands produced by their department? Yeah, right. *lol* Use YOUR head next time.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Way to go Lynne! As an OBOT you have engaged in deflection once again and choose to maintain a closed mind and ignore the forensic evidence. Good little puppet!!!

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

You must be working really hard at NOT getting this, otherwise you’d have to be dumb as a post.

You don’t get a certificate of live birth from a state if you weren’t born there. Period. End of story. I was born in FL, I cannot get a BC from California, I have to get one from the STATE THAT CERTIFIES MY LIVE BIRTH. How are you confused by that?

Born in Hawaii = eligible for state issued BC = natural born citizen = eligible to be pres.

It really is that simple.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

You must be working really hard at NOT getting this, otherwise you’d have to be dumb as a post.

You don’t get a certificate of live birth from a state if you weren’t born there. Period. End of story. I was born in FL, I cannot get a BC from California, I have to get one from the STATE THAT CERTIFIES MY LIVE BIRTH. How are you confused by that?

Born in Hawaii = eligible for state issued BC = natural born citizen = eligible to be pres.

It really is that simple.


Cathy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

This is racism pure and simple – and they won't get over it because as that woman “birther” said – “I want my country back” – translation – only white people allowed – unless of course you are a slave or low wage worker who can take care of us white people. You had white men for the first 43 presidents. And you still are in charge since you run most of global capitalism. Did anyone ever ask one of the white guys for a birth certificate – racist fools!


mgrip
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

I bet Greg is from the South…


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

Cathy I couldn't agree with you more!


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Pure bullshit OBOT!! But hey nice job of deflection and once again ignoring the forensic evidence by liscensed professional document examiners. Good little pupett!!

Do your own research OBOTS!!! If you would read the

articles it's real easy to Google for additional

information. Your not really interested in the evidence

are you? You just want to discredit the author so you

don't have to admit you were duped by the usurper in the

White House. Even if the authors had no more than a

kindergarten education the photographic evidence shown

makes it clear the document is fraudulent. Now go back

and read the damn evidence and quit worrying about the

authors education. Do you have to know who figured out

2+2=4 before you will believe it? Jesus H.Dopefiend!

Free your mind and try logic for a change. You people

are pathetic!!! More evidence for you. Oh yeah, be sure

to discredit the author (credentials listed)because he

wants to remain anonymous due to OBOTS who went to his

house and trashed his property. REJECT SELECTIVE

LOGIC!!!

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Schism writes:
“Obama has the copy which is the document that was posted online. I don't have my original either, as my state issued me a copy too. No one gets their original.

The information contained in the version he has has been verified, repeatedly by the director of Vital Statistics of the state of Hawaii.”

First point, they may not get their original, but they get all the INFORMATION that is on there original. I just got my Son's birth certificate (so he could get a drivers license) and it contains ALL the information that the original had. Hell, it may even be a copy of the original. It has the Doctor's Signature on it and all !

Second point. It has not. They simply claim he has one. They give no details as to what is on it. If the Man was foreign born but adopted, his original birth certificate would not be permitted to be seen. The NEW one which he would be issued would demonstrate that a man who was not his father was his father. I know this because this happened to me. I am adopted. My real father's name is NOT on my birth certificate.

I KNOW my official birth certificate will yield false information. Why is it unreasonable to scrutinize a high officials birth with these sorts of legal technicalities in mind ?


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

mgrip — I think Greg likes farm animals too. LOL


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

So your expert is some person who will not reveal his identity, who has never seen the document but has come to the conclusion that it's a fake?

Wow, that sure sounds compelling and convincing to me. Game over, Obama. You might as well pack up and leave now, because Dr Polaroid has the goods on you.

Not even Fox News will have this person on, what does that tell you about his credibility?


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Exactly, it was so obvious in 1961 this black baby with a muslim name was a shoe in for the presidency, his Mom had to fly to Hawaii and bribe the department of health to issue this fake COLB. Then the birth announcements were generated automatically.

Then all they had to do was sit back and wait 40 years for him to get elected and force us all to have health care.

Why cant the libs see the obvious?


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

The governor sealed it from release one day after Obama visited his ill grandma in Oct 2008.


Doubtful
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

I see. Well, maybe someone with a high standard of proof can explain how a young mother gave birth in Kenya and gamed the system by getting the paperwork to Honolulu so that the birth announcement would be published within a few days of the birth — in such a way that no one would know it was transmitted from overseas.

In 1961.

Really, let's some of the evidence that meets your high standards!


texasguy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Which Doctor delivered Obama?

I DARE the media to ask him (or Gibbs) this question.


texasguy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Which Doctor delivered Obama?

I DARE the media to ask him (or Gibbs) this question.


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

why don't you go back to the farm where you belong! wha wha wha


kevin_stevens
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

I think it's a racial thing. You have these fat, wealthy white men of the Republican party, who are incredibly distressed that an African-American is in office. So they will l try to discredit him any way possible. How do we know W was a natural born citizen? he never showed his birth certificate to anyone. And besides, factcheck.org was there, in person and verified the legitimacy of his citizenship. So all you knuckleheads can gt back to listening to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity now, and come up with another mode of attack…LOL


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Pacific Northwest genius! I do research for a living and I have looked at the forensic evidence and for those who have not surrendered their minds to Big Brother it is clear the document is a fraud!!

Do your own research OBOTS!!! If you would read the

articles it's real easy to Google for additional

information. Your not really interested in the evidence

are you? You just want to discredit the author so you

don't have to admit you were duped by the usurper in the

White House. Even if the authors had no more than a

kindergarten education the photographic evidence shown

makes it clear the document is fraudulent. Now go back

and read the damn evidence and quit worrying about the

authors education. Do you have to know who figured out

2+2=4 before you will believe it? Jesus H.Dopefiend!

Free your mind and try logic for a change. You people

are pathetic!!! More evidence for you. Oh yeah, be sure

to discredit the author (credentials listed)because he

wants to remain anonymous due to OBOTS who went to his

house and trashed his property. REJECT SELECTIVE

LOGIC!!!

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


nitalia
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Will a native American Indian please stand up and run for President in 2012 and shut up these European American transplants who stole the country from them. Then maybe we will get to the bottom of who is really a natural born American citizen! It won't be anybody white for certain!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

You’re most welcome, 0bamorrhoid, you’re welcome!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

You’re most welcome, 0bamorrhoid, you’re welcome!


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

Read the letter. What information did the director verified? He seen it but what did he see. You don't understand what is being ask for in the Long Form Certificate.


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

Wow another idiot from Texas.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

While we're on the subject of the peculiarities surrounding Obama's birth, how many of you people out there know that there are Naked Pictures of Obama's mother on the internet ?

No joke. I mean True, authentic pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham, Naked, and posing for the camera.

Don't believe me ? Got to google and type in Obamas Naughty Mama. You will find a link to a story that shows 3 naked pictures of the Presidents mother.

Compare them to OTHER pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham on the internet. Notice that the upper incisor that is askew in pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham is Also askew in the pictures of the Naked woman.

You can argue that the woman is a look alike, but a look alike with the same bad tooth ?
Not bloody likely.


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

Irregardless isn't a word.


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

It is simple to debunk… have experts verified the original long form birth certificate. If you don't understand what is being asked… You should reserve judgement until you understand the issue.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

Obama's mother is Naked !

Google “Obamas Naughty Mama.”


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

Yea, you do research for the Mothership right? I hear they're coming to take you away, ha ha, he he… Get your meds adjusted, dude.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

The information contained in the version he has has been verified, repeatedly by the director of Vital Statistics of the state of Hawaii.”

No it has not!! That's Obama's lapdog media lie.

Dr. Alvin Onaka, the Hawaii State Registrar and Head of the Office of Health Status Monitoring (OSHM), of which Vital Records is a part actually said “”Absolutely not. No one in our office confirmed it.”

Again, more deflection from an OBOT. More refusal to examine the forensic evidence that Obama's COLB is a “sloppy forgery”.

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


mgrip
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Listen genius, not matter what evidence is given to refute your claims, you are still not going to believe it. So I suggest you back to your cabin and burn your Unabomber Manifesto…


kevin_stevens
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

You need help. Badddddd.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Nitalia writes:
“Will a native American Indian please stand up and run for President in 2012 and shut up these European American transplants who stole the country from them. Then maybe we will get to the bottom of who is really a natural born American citizen! It won't be anybody white for certain!”

I'm part Cherokee and part Blackfoot. My brother is married to a Comanche, and they have given me the Honorary Comanche name of Dawiegiwa. ( during a small ceremony )

Do I count ?


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Greg, buddy, just calm down there, little fella. Take a deep breath, let it out, good.

Feel better now?


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Oooh Lynne, good little OBOT, resorting to DEMOCON smear tactics now rather than actually have anything to do with acknowledging or examining the forensic evidence that the certificate Obama provided is a “sloppy forgery”.

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Post your information where “ANY” officials have examine and shown the records?

It isn't a left / right issue when someone potentially falsify his records. Both party should do what's right and force Obama to provide original proof.


fuzzyfitz77
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

Maybe McCain's investigators did not get their facts correct or are were just lousy investigators. He did not win, did not even try to win; all his wind had gone with the years. He was duped into following the in crowd to poverty.

Maybe you should retry your facts with some common sense and tally the lies that our “POTUS” has endeavoured us with since 2007.


Kagenin
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

Well put. Let's not split hairs. “Birthers” are just thinly-veiled Racist Bigots, and should be called out as such.

We had to put up for 8 years with a president who didn't win either election fairly – rampant voter fraud in Florida in 2000 put him in office. By all counts, even the under the most conservative-friendly methods, Gore won Florida.

But we liberals shut up, let the voter fraud go unpunished. Don't give the appearance of sour grapes, we were told.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, even though this President won so decisively, they are choosing to make up treasonous reasons not to acknowledge him as our Commander-in-Chief.

Hypocrites, bigots, racists… That is who the Birther Movement is.


kevin_stevens
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

No, you don't. Besides, we don't need a racist/bigot in the White House.


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

The guys in the white coats are coming up the walkway. Can ya hear 'em Greg? They're coming to take you away. You're gonna like that padded room. You can bounce off the walls all day long.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

I smell OBOT deflection!!! Pooh flinging monkey tactic #371.

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

You seem to have done some research. Do you know about the Naked pictures of Obama's mother ?


Kagenin
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

Get it through your skull.

Medical records (such as a “long form birth certificate”) are private. Sealed. Protected under law.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW THEM TO ANYONE.

And they don't have much that the “short form” doesn't have. Get over yourself, you racist bigot.


kevin_stevens
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

You listen to too much of Hannity and Limbaugh. It shows in some of your ignorant posts.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Which doctor delivered you? Do you know? I don't know the name of the doctor who delivered me. So what? What does that prove? It proves nothing. It proves how stupid and desperate and craven you are.

The evidence is 100% on Obama's side, and you know it. But you just cannot accept it.

Birthers, you really need to put up, or shut up. It's that simple. The burden of proof is on you.

If your only evidence is from some anonymous blogger, that's laughably pathetic.


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

His campaign is “Change”…. but I don't think you consider what “KIND” of change. It is redicules the amount of argment on this issue when it could have been a non-issue before he became president. The one who can fix his refuses to fix it. So let it be.


Negative Zero
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

“FOR THE LAST TIME”

That is the statement I like best – if only I believed it.


mikearctor
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

I'm a 40 yr old, white male Southerner (registered Indepedent) and I agree w/Jimmy Green. Please stop making yourselves look like lunatics.

YOU LOST THE ELECTION, NOW DEAL WITH IT. A guy w/a black father and white mother is NOT your enemy. Stop acting the fool. Now. Please. This is getting really embarrassing and we have a few REAL PROBLEMS to deal with….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

Hey, diogenes, go look up “burden of proof” — you can even use Wikipedia if you like.

Don’t worry, we’ll still be mocking you when you get back.

Oh wait, hold on, the President is on tv. Whaddaya know, it’s still the black guy! I thought for sure they would have deported him by now, on the strength of what World Net Daily and Alan Keyes say…


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

You dumb libs think Obama is an American.

I just got an email from a Kenyan Prince who is having legal difficulties but if I send a money order for $8,000 to a post office box in Nigeria, he will put me in touch with a member of the Kenyan Royal Family that is willing to meet me in Times Square and give me Barry Soteros original long form Keyan Birth Certificate.

So long suckers!


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Here's a clue to birthers, Hillary Clinton did more oppo research on Obama than Mccain did.

And she found nothing.

Game over, birthers. The longer you stay at this, the more you hurt your own party. Don't you realize this yet? No wonder people don't take republicans seriously anymore. No wonder they have been reduced to being a southern, regional party. All the sane people have left, and it's just the die-hards now.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

Way to go fuzzyfitz77, sincerely! Whoa, folks we have a live, thinking rational being amongst us! He is actually aware of the multitude of Obama's lies. (here's where OBOTS go GWB on us!) Let me remind Obama's pooh flinging monkeys of a few of those lies they convenienly continue to ignore: Obama's Documented Lies: 158 and remarkably still growing

# 158 Obama claims he wrote letter to US Treasurer to try to prevent the housing crisis; but he acted only AFTER he had caused it by blocking McCain's bill
# 157 Obama claims he is bipartisan ; Congressional Quarterly shows he voted with his party 97% of the time
# 156 Obama's dirty lie scares seniors: falsely claims McCain plans to cut $880 billion from Medicare: liar liar liar says Annenberg Factcheck
# 155 Obama lies about his mother turning to food stamps AND still sending him to top schools; his grandmother paid for education
# 154 Obama lied about being asked to wear dead soldier's bracelet: family had asked Obama to stop wearing it
# 153 Obama claimed all new spending is economic plan was self-funding; short by $3.5 Trillion says nonpartisan Tax Policy Center
# 152 Obama denied Admiral Mike Mullen had called Obama's Iraqi troop plan “dangerous”; Mullen made comment on Fox in July 2008 according to WaPo
# 151 Obama lied about Kissinger's views of diplomacy during first debate; Kissinger confirms the lie
# 150 During Debate 1 Obama denied voting to tax some people making $42000 a year: Annenburg Factcheck,org confirms Obama is lying
# 149 After Debate 1, Team Obama denied Obama ever said, “Iran's not a threat”: Video proves Obama DID say “Iran is NOT a threat.”
# 148 Obama claims under McCain employers would be taxed on the health care benefits it grants to workers; he's lying
# 147 Obama refers to an Iraqi surplus of $79 billion and says US should have it; its $60 billion and dwindling
# 146 Obama claims only 5% of Americans would see tax increase; he's grossly understating the number of people effected
# 145 Obama accuses McCain of lying about Biden being against clean coal; video proves Obama is lying
# 144 Obama claims McCain is opposed to abortion in cases of rape or incest; McCain has never held that position.
# 143 Obama accuses McCain of making an ad about Obama's vote to approve leaving babies who survive abortion procedures to die; McCain did not make the ad
# 142 Obama's ad on abortion claims BHO always supported medical care to protect infants; text of the Bill he supported shows he wanted babies born alive after abortions to be left to die
# 141 Obama's ad on abortion uses quotes by journalists who made negative comments about a McCain ad; but Obama is misleading because both journalists have been proven to be incorrect
# 140 Obama's lying when he says McCain's ad misstated BHO's Sex Ed for Kindergartners Bill: McCain's ad was accurate; here's the Sex Ed Bill text
# 139 Obama and Biden both truncate McCain's comments on the strength of the economy's fundamentals: deliberate distortion
# 138 Biden claims McCain tried to hurt our veterans by denying them educational benefits; NewsWeek confirms Biden is lying
# 137 Obama claims under McCain, Elderly would have had Social Security tied up in the Stock market; Newsweek cries BS
# 136 Obama claims his opponent will cut social security in half: NOT true; Obama guilty of scare-mongering aimed at Seniors
# 135 Biden claims McCain wouldn't help small borrowers hurt by housing crisis; this is untrue according to Newsweek
# 134 Obama claimed during the primary he had more Ex President Clinton Foreign Policy advisers than Sen. Clinton; she had 70% more
# 133 Obama claimed his father served in World War 2: his Kenyan-born father never served
# 132 Obama grossly misquoted Sen.Clinton about her vote on a banking bill; BHO used the false quote to show why voters don't trust Government
# 131 Obama claimed employers are more likely to be struck by lightning than be prosecuted for employing illegals; Gov stats prove he's lying
# 130 Pushing his Green agenda Obama claimed Japanese Car average 45 mpg fuel efficiency; its actually around 29 mph
# 129 Obama disparaged the President saying he hadn't met with auto makers until the sixth year of his presidency; GWB met automakers in April 2003
# 128 Obama disparaged the efficiency of our healthcare system saying the U.S. spends twice per capita than other countries: WaPo proves he's lying
# 127 Obama claims President Clinton's Labor Secretary said BHO's healthcare plan, “Does more than anybody to reduce costs”; Robert Reich did NOT say it
# 126 Obama falsely claimed he won the Michigan Democrat primary: he was not on the ballot
# 125 Obama's Spanish language ad lies about McCain's position on immigration; tries to stir race-war: lies debunked by ABC
# 124 Obama lies about his interference in Iraqi negotiations; but his campaign admits his treachery
# 123 Obama took credit for the economic stimulus package passed in Feb 08; BHO's colleagues on Capitol Hill cry BS
# 122 Obama claims Big Oil is ignoring 68 million acres of oil fields they could be drilling; most fields are being worked
# 121 Obama claims never questions his opponent's patriotism; asks of McCain “WHICH country first?”: ABC says he's questioning McCain's patriotism
# 120 Obama claims personal savings rates are lowest since the Great Depression; currently higher than under President Clinton
# 119 Obama claims on this video that he doesn't switch positions; list of 31 flip flops show he's lying
# 118 In the Primaries Obama puffed his resume claiming he was a “Professor”; State Senate bio shows he was not ; he now agrees
# 117 When Obama ran for US Senate his web site claimed “5 years as a community organizer”; he admits it was only 3 years
# 116 Obama's attack ad in Michigan claims McCain doesn't support loan guarantees for auto-industry. McCain DOES support them
# 115 Obama says “if we're STILL in recession when he takes office…etc”; the economy is NOT in recession
# 114 Obama claims he signed up for Selective Service when he graduated from High School; records show he did NOT until he'd been at college 1 year
# 113 Attacking Palin, Obama has the audacity to claim,”Words mean something; you can't just make things up “; BHO makes stuff up
# 112 Biden claims McCain will increase taxes for workers & Obama will only increase taxes on those making $435k: he's lying
# 111 Biden claims Obama drew the Nation's attention to problems at Walter Reed Army Hospital; it was two WaPo reporters that reported the issues to the Nation
# 110 to make Obama seems more American/less exotic, Biden tells Scranton crowd Obama grew up in Kansas; BHO grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia
# 109 Obama lies yet again to disparage Gov. Palin; ignores her executive experience as Governor of Alaska
# 108 Obama says the US economy has failed under Bush; World Bank stats proves Obama's been lying; US a world leader in growth, employment, incomes
# 107 Obama claims if you are born into poverty in America you are on your own: there are many government programs
# 106 Obama claims he's bi-partisan: voting records prove Obama is #11 most partisan
# 105 Claimed Hillary would be on anyone's short-list; Hillary wasn't on Obama's short-list
# 104 Obama claims abortion rates have not gone down under the Bush Administration; stats show they have gone down
# 103 Obama dismissed Bomber Bill Ayers as “some guy who lives in the neighborhood”;they had a close working relationship
# 102 Obama claims there's no charge to attend his acceptance speech: CBS 4 in Denver proves he's lying; some tickets cost $1000
# 101 Obama used being a first-time-buyer to justify consulting with Rezko before he bought his house; BHO had already purchased a residence
# 100 Obama lies about his support for infanticide; campaign concedes in 03 he opposed a bill stopping the killing of kids born alive after abortions
# 99 Obama overstates Oil Industry's contributions to McCain; ignores cash the Oil industry gave BHO; Newsweek debunks
# 98 To belittle America,Obama exaggerated the growth in Debt under the current Administration; debunked by WaPo
# 97 Obama claims President George W Bush had not left the country before he became President; WaPo confirms he's lying
# 96 To promote “green”, Obama claimed he drove a vehicle that uses ethanol; GM confirmed the model was NOT ethanol-ready
# 95 Obama claims he's taking his family for a week's rest in Hawaii with no campaigning; schedules a rally for first day
# 94: Obama claims “properly inflating tires” will save as much energy as we could drill offshore; analysis shows not even close
# 93 Obama denies accusing McCain of using race against him; ABC, NYT confirm Obama did accuse McCain of making racial attacks
# 92 Obama claims he's not being political when he's flip-flopping; timing & direction of major flip-flops show he's lying
# 91: Obama INVENTS a wall between Christians and Jews; deceptively omits the major religious wall is caused by a “fatwah” to kill American Christians and Jews
# 90 Obama claims he made a substantive call for Germany to help in Iraq; Berlin speech transcript proves he's lying
# 89: Obama admits he underestimated the decline in violence from the Surge; falsely claims McCain made same mistake
# 88 Obama turned a disappointing crowd of 20,000 into media reports of 200,000
# 87 Obama lied about his father's religious upbringing! half-brother confirms Obama's father was “RAISED Muslim”
# 86 Obama claimed we only made one fundraising trip to Florida during the Primary; Florida papers proved he lied
# 85 Claims reducing obesity to 80's levels would save Medicaid ONE TRILLION DOLLARS; not even close
# 84 To make Iraq/Afghan Wars look bad, Obama claimed demands on Nat Guard personnel hurt flood relief; Guards prove lying
# 83 Claimed due to overseas commitments, too few helecopters were available to help with Midwest flood relief; now concedes not true
# 82 Starting in Iowa, Obama claimed Clinton's healthcare plan would “punish families that couldn't afford healthcare”; NYT calls BS
# 81 Obama claims McCain's tax plan will do nothing to help the middle-class: The Tax Policy Center proves he's lying
# 80 claims the use of an Email with a big red DONATE button is NOT a fundraising solicitation
# 79 Obama claims his trip to Europe was non-political: uses video of Berlin speech to raise money within hours
# 78 Tells NBC that during the debate on the Surge he said the Surge would work in Baghdad; video proves during the debate he said the opposite
# 77 Obama's “Changing World” ad claims he'll fast-track alternatives to oil to stop us buying from hostile nations; “fast track” is totally misleading
# 76 Obama tells Israeli media that he's a member of the Senate Banking Committee; CNN confirms he's delusional
# 75 Obama claims Lou Dobbs caused hate crimes against Latinos to double; the FBI and CNN confirm Obama is lying
# 74 Obama claims the military brass think like he does; top US commanders say his plan for Iraq is unworkable
# 73: Obama promised to filibust FISA; later Obama voted for FISA and now denies changing his position
# 72 Obama belittles Americans claiming we can't speak European languages; he's talking merde; mierda; Scheiße
# 71 Obama denied he accused President Bush of starting the War for political reasons; Russert transcript proves Obama made that false claim
# 70 Obama claims there has been substantial job losses from NAFTA; Independent studies show its at least” job neutral”
# 69 Claimed in Feb 08 he got 90% of funds from donors giving $25, $50; fed filings show he got only about a third from donors below $200
# 68 Obama rewrites history about what specifically he had said during his October 2002 anti-war speech
# 67 Obama claimed in 04 that he had never supported bringing troops out of Iraq; rare video of 03 Teamsters rally shows he's lying
# 66 Obama lied about the softness of the Stock Market to support his false claim the War was being used to distract the public
# 65 To justify move to private funds, Obama claims McCain's campaign is” fuelled” by PACs and Lobbyists; its less than 2% of McCain's money
# 64 Obama's “Dignity” ad claims he “worked his way” thru college and law school; campaign admits only two summer jobs
# 63 Obama's “Dignity” ad gives him credit for reducing Welfare rolls by 80%: he's deceptive as he was opposed to Fed Welfare Reform in '96
# 62 In Obama's The Country I love ad, he takes credit for passing a healthcare bill he did NOT vote for
# 61 Claims he first ran in Chicago as an unendorsed candidate; his '96 election questionnaire proves he had several
# 60 Obama claims he wants a vigorous and open debate on the issues: then goes out of his way to avoid it
# 59 Obama omits key details about a false rumor re video of Michelle's “whitey” rant to justify breaking his public funding promise
# 58 Obama tries to deceive about why he voted “present” more than 100 times in the Illinois Senate; Chicago paper reveals the truth
# 57 Trying to claim patriotism Obama says his grandad signed up the day after Pearl Harbor; army records disagree
# 56 Claims race and party not important to how people vote as they put America first; 93% block vote disproves
# 55 On June 5, Obama stated that Israel must remain undivided; June 6 on CNN he reversed his position, but denied he had done so
# 54 To further his own agenda, Obama grossly overstates the number of potential African-American votes in MS, GA, SC
# 53 Promise of $2500 reduction in Healthcare premiums needs billions in Admin cost savings by 2012: not possible
# 52 Obama omits to mention his 3 week trip to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan until it slips out trying to out-do Clinton
# 51 Obama claims McCain wants to wage a lengthy war in Iraq: Video proves Obama's lying
# 50 Obama claimed he never prayed in a mosque; his campaign had to retract that statement
# 49 Obama dishonestly used endorsements in ads to pump up his healthcare plan
# 48 Claims he never discussed politics with Pastor; rebutted by photo of Obama with team of lobbyists led by Wright
# 47 Obama, an expert at parsing words, claimed he wasn't familiar with the word “Clintonian”; then changed his story
# 46 Despite reeking of cigarettes, Obama denied smoking to ABC; now admits smoking on MSNBC
# 45 Obama said he'd meet unconditionally with Leader of Iran: now claims he “didn't have Ahmadinejad in mind”
# 44 Obama claims he is using public financing to avoid special interests: WSJ nails his switcheroo
# 43 Obama's rhetoric claims more young black men in jail than college: BoJ Stats disprove
# 42 Claims he never said he was a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare; Video proves he did
# 41 Obama claims remarks to industrialists were greeted with silence, shows he can deliver tough message: video of ovation
# 40 Obamas claim you dont rip opponents & leave on roadside:he did to Alice Palmer
# 39 Obama denies saying Indiana could be tie-breaker: he did
# 38 Obama omits that Pastor Wright led divestiture campaign from Israel
# 37 Obama claims Church not controversial; he knew it was controversial since 86
# 36 Lied about intention of taking US out of NAFTA
# 35 Obamas claim poverty growing up: both distort reality
# 34 Obama denies meeting Saddam's Auchi; sworn Fed. witness places Obama at undisclosed party for Auchi at Rezkos
# 33 Obama lies about not attacking Clinton over her Bosnia lies
# 32 Obama claims he passed ethics reform; ABC News shows he lied
# 31 Obama says he's consistently opposed NAFTA; in October 2007 he supported expansion to Peru
# 30 Obama claims he's above dirty political tricks; Clinton proves he lies
# 29 Obama claims his “bitter” remarks were mangled; then repeats attacks on guns religion and angry people
# 28 Obama claims never said he wouldn't wear US flag-pin; video shows he did
# 27 Obama says he did no favors for Rezko;untrue; he lobbied for him
# 26 Changes story repeatedly re Rezko's help in buying mansion
# 25 Obama claims he never supported a ban on handguns; he has twice
# 24 Obama claims stays at UCC as Pastor acknowledged comments were inappropriate; Wright never made this statement
# 23 Campaign is beholden to “only the people” as unlike McCain/Clinton he does not take lobbyist /PAC money; LIES!
# 22 Claims campaign never called Canada to say Obama not truthful re wanting leave NAFTA; smoking gun memo proves lied
# 21 Mrs Obama admits she's never been proud of America; Video disproves Sen. Obama's later claim she was misquoted
# 20 Claimed would not run for President, as he would not be qualified by 2008: confirmed 3 times to Tim Russert in one 2006 interview
# 19 Claims famous in Il. for not letting lobbyists even buy him lunch; took from teachers, trial lawyers, hospital admins
# 18 Claims his parents met at Selma civil rights march; Washington Post noted it occurred 4 yrs after Obama's birth
# 17 BO claims courageously opposed war in 2002 during US Senate campaign; He did not announce his senate bid until 2003
# 16 Claims he passes tough Nuclear Law; NYT uncovers he took Nuclear Industry pay-off and watered down the bill
# 15 Claimed he didn't know Rezko was corrupt when did a real estate deal with him; Chicago papers prove he lied
# 14 Claims does not accept money from Big Oil: Real Clear Politics proves he lied
# 13 Denies using his Hopefund PAC to influence endorsers; but the Washington Post reviewed the record and disagreed
# 12 Claims his State Chair is not a drug company lobbyist; Time magazine cries Bullshit
# 11 Lies about how much he received in campaign funds from Rezko; forced to significantly increase the amount twice
# 10 Claims he did not fill out the 1996 candidate questionaire; Politico proves he lied
# 9 Took credit for achievement of others in Chicago; resume puffing exposed by LA Times
# 8 Claims he kept no State Senate records; now he changes his story
# 7 Denies doubling wife's salary was due to becoming US Senator; omits within months he earmarked $1 million for hospital
# 6 Denied meeting Saddam bagman Auchi; now admits he was at his dinner but does not remember talking to him
# 5 Denies using his church for politics: IRS disagree
# 4 Claims he was unaware of Pastor Wrights 911 comments: NYT proves he lied
# 3 Claims his father was a goat-herd; actually he was a man of privilige
# 2 Claims not an active muslim as child; Indonesian paper proves he lied
# 1 Claims father linked to Kennedys; Washington Post proves he lied

Obama WTF defines “DOCUMENTED LIE ” as :

1) a statement by one or more reliable news agencies or credible authorities citing supporting verifiable facts which rebut a reported statement by Obama.
2) observable video/transcript contradictions
3) the omission of an important fact the exclusion of which defies common sense unless the intent is to deceive

This therefore EXCLUDES unintentional gaffes eg the Auschwitz Memorial Day blip; the 57 States etc which can be found at New Gaffe City

This therefore also excludes Flip Flops unless

a) Obama is seen to be holding multiple positions depending on the audience, eg The Jerusalem flip flop…where his position was altered with 18 hours, talking to different audiences.
or b) Obama lies about holding a different position e.g denying he favored gun control

Credit to each of the following news outlets who are some of the most cited in the List of Documented Lies:

1. Annenberg Factcheck.org; at U Penn
2. At the St Petersberg Times; http://www.politifact.com
3. Washington Post Fact Checker …Michael Dobbs
4. Top of the Ticket Blog at the LA Times;
5. Political Punch at ABC News.com.
6. Dozens of other major news orgs are quoted to provide support for one or more lies

# Related Stories
# 31 Flip Flops
# 53 Obama Gaffes
# 41 Obama Acts of Hypocrisy
# Top 126 Obama Videos
# Quiz: Do you agree with Obama on these 20 Issues?
# 53 Under-the-bus
# 31 Zingers on Obama
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented…


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Of course, all previous president has no issue to show their birth certificate, medical, and college records. Even Sotomayer showed all her records…. why the discrepancy?… .. I ain't white but my own research shows that Obama isn't who he said he is. People don't know who they elected because he is very good at deflection and is very eloquent.


foina
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Racist applies only to whites. They Invented it, but they cant take the push back.


Linda
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

What these folks can't believe is that a Black man legally got elected president of the United States with more than 50% of the vote. They want him to fail. They want the country to fail.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Yes, I see exactly what you mean – all I have to do is ignore real evidence and use only right-wing blogs like freaking Townhall and Atlas Shrugged and THEN I'll know the Real Truth, right?

Cause Townhall and Atlas Shrugged only prints verifiable facts, never propaganda, right? Everyone knows that if you want the truth about anything, the righ-wing freak show blogs is where to get it, right?

Now that you've petty well proven that you have absolutely NO credibility, don't you have some naked pictures of Obama's mom that you want to post somewhere?


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

No, so long to you Christian whacko. You are welcome to leave this country anytime. Trust me when I say, we won't miss you. Why don't you take some of those fine republicant senators and governors with you. You know the ones I'm talking about. The ones who preach to the rest of us about being “good Christians” and having morals but have none themselves.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

You listen to too much of Hannity and Limbaugh. It shows in some of your ignorant posts.

NAH! I actually made the time and took the effort to examine the forensic evidence with pictures included and came to my own conclusion rather than getting on the group think peer pressure bandwagon. You I see surrendered your mind to the group and try to use insults rather than logic to attempt a point by point refutation of the forensic evidence noted by qualified document examiners. How smart is that? Care to free your mind? here you go…………It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

This isn't a new issue. The birth issue has been around before he was president.

Simply put. If he is electable…then there is nothing to hide.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

More deflection OBOT and tiresome refusal to deal with the forensic evidence Billary did not do. Here's your chance to free your mind……………..It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


kevin_stevens
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

Racism is alive and well in our country, sadly.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

AstonKim is back To attempt new deflection tactic which continues the tiresome refusal to acknowledge or examine the forensic and photographic evidence which clearly shows the document Obama provided is forged. AstonKim, here is your chance to free your mind……….
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Please, show us exactly who the “liscensed professional document examiners” you refer to are.

I know you can't do that, of course, bcause they don't exist outside your fevered brain.

Give it up, loser. You have NO credibility – there is NO controversy, outside for the question of how many genuinely certified birther nuts there are running around, playing with their teabags.

Look, I am sympathetic to your pain. You're a terminally sore loser who refuses to admit that you had your ass kicked. You're a blatant racist who has had your ass kicked by a man of color. This must be a frustrating time for you.

But just because you are a racist loser who has had his ass kicked does not mean we're going for a ride with you to Crazy Town.

Why don't you take your teabags – and go away.


yo
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

the article is utter nonsense.
1 you can get a colb and still be born outside the country. i wonder why that wasn't mentioned in the article
2 when the state of hawaii said they have a bc, what does that prove? you act like it proves something. it proves nothing, morons. the birth cert they have is where the real info is. THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO SEE IT! CAPICHE?
3 the ads in the honolulu newpapers were put there by the state, not by obama's family! this is what the hospitals say. at that time, the info came from the gov't. it's not a contemporaneous anything of substance. jeesh
4 did you ever think that the constitution using citizen in one place and natural born citizen in another place JUST MIGHT mean that they are two different things? holy cow!
5 why did they do an exhaustive research on mccain in the senate and leave all this on obama untouched?


sak
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

How pathetic. So he and Sara really were trying to get something on Obama. This man is such a hypocrite. Even today, he could have a press conference and tell those in the “birther” movement that he has looked into this and all is well. Their accusations are baseless.

But he won't do that. Because he is pathetic.


billj99
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Hey OBOTS, all we're asking you to do is think a little. Use your minds. Nobody (and I mean NOBODY) is elected president without the help of some very powerful people. These people have the ability to warp history so it matches up to their desires.

Take George W Bush. He was a draft dodger who didn't even finish his stint in the National Guard because he was taking cocaine and couldn't pass a physical. The man was a coward who spit on the people who fought for this country. But that didn't matter. Powerful people wanted him to be president so they changed the records to it looked like Bush didn't quit the National Guard because he was a crackhead.

Same with Obama. These same powerful people want Obama to be President the same way they wanted Bush to be President. So they changed the records for Obama like they did for Bush. Now all of a sudden Obama was born in the USA.

Bush is a crackhead, draft dodging coward and Obama was born in Kenya. That's what the records say. The question is can you see it.


tootiredoftheright
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Ah dude snopes.com debunks a lot of your so called lies.

Obama Sr. was indeed a goat farmer at one point in his life.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Whoopee, three more OBOTS resorting to deflection tactics in a desperate attempt to avoid at all cost having to acknowledge or examine the forensic and photographic evidence And, in reality posting their deflection in the hope that you too will ignore the evidence of document experts and buy the group think mantras. What's next OBOTS? I've got all day!!!

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

The guys in white coats are your door, Greg. They're coming in. They've got the nice white jacket to wear. It will make you feel all safe and warm. don't you worry now.
they probably need to let your psych doc know to check your blood pressure. you're gonna burst a blood vessel if you don't calm down.
Nice padded room, snug jacket, quiet, calm…..


sak
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

How sad for you. Such anger! Do you think for one minute that the FBI hasn't looked into this? Obama has a top secret clearance! John McCain's campaign investigated this last year and found that the certificate of birth was valid. They dropped the issue as it is not an issue.

And by the way, Obama's mommy was a citizen, thus he is a citizen no matter where he was born.


AstonKim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

For all those who doesn't understand the issue. Who can tell me:

What exact spelling does Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate say in terms of parents, location (hospital), date?

Until those fact known and verified, everything is heresy…


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

alert, alert, new conspiracy theorist has entered the building.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

Way to go yo! Using logic instead of group think mantras. Congrats!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

Well, we wouldn’t expect you and your kindred to actually get a quote right..as it’s much more convenient to “quote” those who purport to “quote” what was supposedly “said”, instead! Yet, these “quotes” are actually not only misquoted, but misquoted on purpose, in order to skew the truth and gin up the mentally lazy ignorati to a drooling, fevered pitch! For example, among the rest of the faultily repeated garbage you mentioned, Obama never said this was “no longer a Christian nation”..not that it ever was, at that! But, that discussion aside, that alleged “quote” is still NOT what he said! You accuse others of not getting their facts straight, but dollars to donuts, you and your kind have never even watched, listened to or read..in their entirety..in the original..the very speeches you purport to “quote” from! Such ignorance is inexcuseable..but keep up the lawsuits, by all means. You just waste your own money and make yourselves all seem even more ridiculous than we already thought you were..if that were possible!


menotyou
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

Hahahahaaa… good one!!


Dr.Dan
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

Good grief – all you do is repeat and repeate and repeat, each time promising “FOR THE LAST TIME!” but always, it's another lie. After posting the same rant ten times you've taken to adding extra lines just to make it eat up more screen time. You are truly a disturbed and pathetic individual.

Even more laughable is your claim that “I do research for a living and I have looked at the forensic evidence”. As an actual researcher with a job and publications and everything, I can absolutely spot a lunatic who couldn't get within fifty yards of a scientific journal without a battering ram. And you're one. Plus, the only forensic evidence you've seen is a low-res internet image of a scanned document – and based on that, you're claiming that litereally THOUSANDS of intelligent adults are part of a bizarre treasonous conspiracy to put someone in the white house who you don't like.

I actually do “HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS” that you're a blithering idiot.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

You demo commies are stoopid.

You state that Barry was born in “Hawaii”. a supposed “state”. I have never been to this so called “Hawaii” have you? What proof can you offer me that such a place even exists? Just because some web sites have “maps” that show this place is proof of how wide spread this conspiracy is!

wake up people and use some common sense!


kevin_stevens
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

I want YOU to think a little, and stop listening to FOX NEWS and Mark Levin. Please. Use your BRAIN and think for yourself!!!


tootiredoftheright
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

Dead wrong. No one who is licensed has said those documents are forged. Only people who refuse to identity themselves because they acutally have no standing claim it to be a forgery. Well real people who have looked at the photos will tell you the claims of being fraudelent are due to image artificats due to monitor resolution and the scanner. Hence why other photos show the seal, signature and don't show artifacts that would make an idiot claim a forgery has taken place.

The Goverment of Hawaii has said the birth certificate is real. People who went to view it say it is real.

“For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form?”

For starters why do only idiots believe this claim? Do you even know what a 2007 and 2008 COLB form issued by a laserprinter in Hawaii look like?


icemonkey
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

So by apuzzo's reasoning, neither could he become president, because presumably his parents are italian and we couldn't be certain that he wouldn't make judgements that favor italy instead of the usa…


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

Obama has a top secret clearance!

Wrong-O OBOT-O! Obama never went through an FBI Security check. I dare you to furnish and independently verifiable documentation backing up your OPINION. P.S. I do research for a living so be sure and have genuine independently verifiable documentation okay?


icemonkey
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

heresy?? i didn't know this was becoming a religion.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Schism writes:
“Here's a clue to birthers, Hillary Clinton did more oppo research on Obama than Mccain did.

And she found nothing.

Game over, birthers. The longer you stay at this, the more you hurt your own party. Don't you realize this yet? No wonder people don't take republicans seriously anymore. No wonder they have been reduced to being a southern, regional party. All the sane people have left, and it's just the die-hards now.”

Oh, I get it. Because the incompetent Hillary Clinton staffers couldn't find anything, it must not be there !

Same goes for McCain and his staffers. We all see what brilliant geniuses they were in retrospect.

The last election only proved one thing. The Power of the People of New York is far greater than that of any other state, with California being a close second.

All of your information is filtered through the employees of a city that voted 79% for Barack Obama. They are ALL UNION members and they are all Liberal Democrats.

You won't get the truth until we get these people out of the News Stream.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

Dave, wonderful article!


Weekend Open Thread : DelawareLiberal.Net
Pingback posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

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Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

Alert! Alert! OBTS who have desperately ignored the forensic evidence in every lame way possible for the last 2 hours remain in the building! Free your mind Linda! Or stay stupid.

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


David Weigel
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

1) The COLB says Obama was born in Honolulu. COLBs for foreign-born citizens state the country/city they were born in.

3) The fact that the ads were put their by the state is utterly compelling. Are you suggesting the state lied in 1961?

5) McCain was born outside of the United States, in the Panama Canal Zone. That's why it was an issue.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Here ! Let me save you some trouble. “I” googled it for you.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…

What a good woman to raise such a wonderful child.


Case
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

You are really as dumb as you write. Kenyan prince? For you ignorant Republican ass, Kenya never had a prince, or even a King or Queen for that matter. to get a Kenyan Orginal birth certifcate or Passport, all you you need is Ksh. 8000($10


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:05 am

How do you feel about wasting the taxpayers’ time and money by diddling around with this asinine faux-issue..particularly when government budgets..both state, city and federal..are a bit tight at the moment and the bucks could better be spent on..oh, let’s say..seeing that our kids are better educated..particularly so they don’t fall prey to making ridiculous, unresearched and unsubstantiated comments, once they become adults?


kevin_stevens
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

For all you dolts that are still believing he doesn't have a birth certificate, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIjnF8ZR4aw


icemonkey
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Yeah, these powerful people are the aliens from the planet where obama was born! It's obvious he's not an earthling. You can't look at those ears and believe he was born on this planet. Without a doubt he was born on Vulcan and Mr Spock was his father, not some kenyan. And that's why he's able to remain so cool and emotionless. Come on people, wake up! He's preparing the earth to be invaded by a coalition of aliens!


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Pictures of Obama's Wonderful and caring mother.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Hey Kevin Stevens ! Watch this !

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


kevin_stevens
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Why do you hate black people so much? Are you that inferior? You are a sad, pathetic human being.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

I did and that's why I actually made the effort to examine the forensic evidence and realized the document Barry proffered is a forgery Now this may be a wild assed guess, but, I'm thinking maybe you didn't. Free your mind OBOT! For God's sake don't you have the mental capacity to at least wonder why several forensics document examiners discovered the COLB Barry put out indicates it was supposedly printed in 2007 but has the 2008 border? They change borders every year to detect, let me guess, FRAUD!!

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

How many President's mothers pose naked for the camera ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


kevin_stevens
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

How do we know that's not YOUR mother on there? I have a hunch it is…LOL


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

1 – Umm, what? Where no earth did you come up with that one? This is what happens when stupid people rely on talk radio as their source of information.

2 – It proves that the person in charge of the Vital Statistics and Records for the state of Hawaii has verified and seen the original that you idiots keep barking about. He has seen it and confirmed the information contained in both documents is the same. Just because you want to see it, then fly over to Hawaii and demand to see it yourself. I would imagine they would escort you from the building pretty quick.

3 – Now this is when you know how dumb the birthers really are. If the state of Hawaii gave the birth announcement to the paper, doesn't that give it more credibility than if a family member did it? Or unless you think that the state of Hawaii had advanced knowledge in 1961 that this one child would grow up to be president someday, so they were covering for him in advance.

4 – Ann Durham was a US citizen because she was born in the USA.

5 – Duh, because they found nothing! Don't you get it? If they had found something that they thought they could use against Obama to defeat him for the presidency don't you think they would have used it?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

Looks like his mother was a slut. Are we SURE Barack Sr. is his father ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

WARNING!! SUBTLE OBOT DEFLECTION ENGAGED AS OF NOW. WHAT EVER YOU DO DON'T GO TO THE FOLLOWING SITES AND READ IN DETAIL THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE(WITH PICS) DOCUMENTING THE OBAMA COLB TO BE A FORGERY.

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

Kevin_Stevens writes:

How do we know that's not YOUR mother on there? I have a hunch it is…LOL

It might be, if my name were Barack Obama.

Did you look at the pictures ?


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

OBOT DEFLECTION TACTIC #389………..

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

You know you've lost the argument when all you can do is post crap like this, right?

So what does this have to do with the birth certificate story? Nothing, it just shows how bankrupt and disgraceful you really are.

This doesn't prove anything, other than you are a sore loser and an idiot.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Barack's Father was ALREADY MARRIED to a woman in Kenya. That makes any marriage to Stanley Ann Dunham, illegal bigamy, and therefore null and void, which makes Barack Obama a certified illegitimate child, otherwise known as a bastard.

His mother is a slut, and he is a bastard. I mean REALLY !

Aren't you glad the media notified you about all of this BEFORE the election ?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Barack's Father was ALREADY MARRIED to a woman in Kenya. That makes any marriage to Stanley Ann Dunham, illegal bigamy, and therefore null and void, which makes Barack Obama a certified illegitimate child, otherwise known as a bastard.

His mother is a slut, and he is a bastard. I mean REALLY !

Aren't you glad the media notified you about all of this BEFORE the election ?


kevin_stevens
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Yep. And she sure do look like your momma…LOL


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

You can all talk about what you know, and what you think, but I doubt a single one of you knew about what i've shown you today.

If you didn't know about what I have shown you, could there be OTHER things you don't know ?


stfu2009
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

Actually the burden of proof lies on the Birthers. Since they're still harping on BO not being a legal citizen and was not born in the USA…and they don't consider Hawaii to be the 50th state in the union….The Birthers need to come up with evidence to up back their claims since they're the one always stoking the fire regarding this issue.

What good is someone claiming something to always be, and you have no evidence to back things up with facts or physical evidence such as actual documentation, etc. Just because the Birthers keep saying and repeating their lunacy a thousand times doesn't make it so.


JayCee
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:17 am

Sure, the hard copy of the COLB is admissible as evidence. But I’d be less suspicious of it being “conclusive evidence” if it were actually ADMITTED as evidence in court. Why has that never happened? What exactly is that document’s chain of custody, anyway? How did Daily Kos and Factcheck get it, for example? Where is it now?

Y’know what else would be conclusive evidence? A certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate! Oh sorry, it was discarded when Hawaii went paperless. Or, wait, no, it was witnessed as genuine by Hawaii’s Director of Health and sealed by order of the Governor. Which is it? I would find CONSISTENT “official statements” more convincing.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

Prove it. Simple as that. If you think you know so much, then offer proof to back up your idiot assertions.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

Oh lookee it's Diogenes resorting to OBOT deflection tactic #235………..And still ignoring the forensic evidence. Remember sheep dudes and dudettes, I have all day to point out your consistent refusal to acknowledge or examine the forensic evidence.

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Sore losers have been known to call the winning side multiple names to cope with their loss and the crushing psychological impact it can have.

But it doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day, they are sore loser crybabies stewing in their own soiled diapers.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

There is evidence it's a fraud. I have posted it. Your claiming it does not exist does not make it so. Reject selective logic dude. It makes you look stupid and intransigent.

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


PaulT
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

Judging from the posts I see here, Birthers better hope there is never an IQ test or a sanity test for citizenship.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

Greg writes:
“Oh lookee it's Diogenes resorting to OBOT deflection tactic #235………..And still ignoring the forensic evidence. Remember sheep dudes and dudettes, I have all day to point out your consistent refusal to acknowledge or examine the forensic evidence.”

Chill out dude. I think i'm on YOUR side.

I think Obama is intentionally refusing to release his birth certificate, but I think his reasons are that it contains embarrassing information, not necessarily disqualifying information.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

stfu2009 writes:
“Actually the burden of proof lies on the Birthers. Since they're still harping on BO not being a legal citizen and was not born in the USA…and they don't consider Hawaii to be the 50th state in the union….The Birthers need to come up with evidence to up back their claims since they're the one always stoking the fire regarding this issue.

What good is someone claiming something to always be, and you have no evidence to back things up with facts or physical evidence such as actual documentation, etc. Just because the Birthers keep saying and repeating their lunacy a thousand times doesn't make it so.”

Don't say there is NO evidence. There is SOME evidence. It may be weak and circumstantial, but it does exist. Like this for example.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

“Whoa, folks we have a live, thinking rational being amongst us! ” Yes, Greg and it's not you.

don't worry now. sssshhhhhhhh. stay calm. everything is going to be alright.
The guys in white coats are your door, Greg. They're coming in. They've got the nice white jacket to wear. It will make you feel all safe and warm. don't you worry now.
they probably need to let your psych doc know to check your blood pressure. you're gonna burst a blood vessel if you don't calm down.
Nice padded room, snug jacket, quiet, calm…..


mgrip
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

If these birthers keep it up, the Republicans will never win another major election…


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Birthers…I want to thank you.

A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the Unites States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.

Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.

We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.

Thank you birthers, thank you.

Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Greg, there is no forensic evidence to examine. All you do is cut and paste the same nonsense.

Name one credible analyst who has seen the birth certificate up close and personal, not from a computer screen.

What? You cannot name one? Gee, I can't imagine why?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

Easy enough. Did you look at the pictures and the accompanying research ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…

That ought to cover the “Slut” aspect of it. As for the “Bastard” part, i'll look up some references if you want.


stopusagiveaway
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Nice try–Obama and his six names are not just about his birth certificate. get caught up like the average informed citizen..the media are gutless and so are Rep and Dems who just want to keep their jobs so they go along with EVIL


uniquelyme
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Wow, some of these posters here are the biggest crackpots I've seen anywhere yet, absolutely incredible. Sure, this and this was on so and so's blog so it MUST be true. No one EVER lies on the internet, LOL!

The fact remains that Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen, no matter where he was born. If she is a U.S. citizen, then he is also a “natural born” U.S. citizen. Jeez. Go back up on the roof people and add another layer of tin foil to your hats. I think all that's coming through now is static.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Why thank you.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Oh lookee another OBOT! This is deflection tactic #392 in the effort to ignore and discourage people from looking at or even acknowledging the forensic evidence. Good job OBOT! Unfortunately not all of us have surrendered our brains to the group think Obama cult yet. We still like independently verifiable facts. And when pictures are included to show the obvious fraud well hey it can't get much better than that. So OBOT what will you do, come back with more deflection crap or do something bold like free your mind from the group think tactics and actually read the detailed evidence by professional document examiners who have found serious discrepancies in Obama's COLB compared to COLB's other Hawaiian resident's allowed to be shown for comparison?

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Simpleton
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

There are couple things that happen:

1. Wingnuts make claims and file lawsuits
2. Elected leaders of wingnuts, who should do the right thing because they know the truth, do not distance themselves away from the wingnuts fueling more wingnuttery.
3. Media bemoan the wingnuttery on primetime, giving rise to more wingnuttery.

What needs to happen is

1. Lawsuits dismissed with heavy fines for wasting valuable court times
2. Media skewering the elected leaders who encourage this nonsense by deliberately keeping quiet hoping to stoke the flames more. Ridicule them publicly often until they stop supporting the wingnuts.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

Won't matter. If we leave the Democrats alone, there won't be any need for any more elections. We'll just do it like they do it in Iran and Venezuela.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

In case anyone trusts Weigel's reporting, see Dave Weigel lie through his teeth on the Rachel Maddow show.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

Amen to that.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Your not on my side if you don't examine the forensic evidence and declare that it shows a clear pattern of forgery and fraud which is a crime and far more serious than supposed embarrassment. Just sayin… Fair enough?


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Again, birthers, THANK YOU!
My faith is restored that it will be a long, long, long time before the republican party ever rebuilds itself.

I dedicate this one to all of you…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


Steve
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

And that would make a difference because? I'm sorry, but you are all idiots. And, no, you are certainly not patriots. If anything, you birthers are subversives and anarchists.


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Your padded room is ready as well. better yet, you and greg can bounce off the walls together.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Thank you, Diogenes, thank you!

Please keep up the birther efforts!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Will you two stop blathering about that Posted picture of a COLB ? It's a freakin computer printout for crying out loud ! Claiming that a computer printout is faked is just silly. You can make a computer printout say anything you want, and you can CLAIM it's your birth certificate.

It's obviously not what the Doctor Signed back in 1961, so the only thing it proves is that someone knows how to use a computer.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

Fail. Again and again, you fail, child.


solipsism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Let me make a simple point. Can a rational person really believe that anyone running for the presidency has not been scrutinized by the US government and all of it's appropriate/concerned agencies? NSA, DOD, CIA, FBI, etc, etc. Do you really think a person who is not a citizen would not be found out when trying to run for office. You are an utter fool if you think this man is not a citizen.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Greg, THANK YOU!

Your efforts are not going unnoticed. Is there a republican candidate's town hall in your area where you can raise this issue? Maybe lead a rousing rendition of The Star Spangled Banner after you do not get the answer you want? Please, please keep up the efforts!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Oh lookee it's OBOT Lynne back to try and make someone who actually places value in documented verifiable photographic evidence rather than group think bullshit as being nutty.

You still are ignoring that evidence aren't you Lynne. What too deep for your programmed mind? Figures you would have no problem with a 2007 document having the 2008 border on it.

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


JayCee
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:34 am

“You don’t get a certificate of live birth from a state if you weren’t born there.”

In FL, where you were born: No, you can’t. In WI, where I was born: No you can’t. But in Hawaii? If a family member who is a resident makes the request: Yes, you can!


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

He released it, and everyone with a brain understood it was legit. Only the dumbest people in American doubt it, and they never once took a second to think about all the facts in this case and how unrealistic their paranoid conspiracy truly is.

But don't let me prevent you from being rational.

Hey, let me know how your next Tea Party is, okay? There's nothing more funny that seeing a group of out of shape, bitter old white men holding signs that read “Wher iz da berf curtifecut?”


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

It is, and always has been, my understanding that a “Natural-Born Citizen” must have BOTH parents as American Citizens. One doesn't count.

Earlier I posted an excerpt from the First Congress, Session II, March 26, 1790, which stated that the father HAD to be an American citizen, regardless of what the mother was.

For you history buffs out there, you know women ALWAYS had the same legal status as men since the founding of our country. ( no they didn't.)


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

And I dedicate THIS to you !

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

Can a rational person not realize that BHO has been given a pass in nearly everything? The MSM lies for him, sockpuppets rush to his defense, and on and on.

If you want to prove your point, get officials on record to state exactly what sort of background checks they did on him and file FOIA requests. Otherwise, you're just engaging in a logical fallacy.


Lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

It's all in your fantasies Greg. Remember what the doctor told you? You have to take your meds or the voices won't stop talking to you. Shhhhhhh….everything will be okay. The comfort of that nice jacket will make you feel safe again. Shhhhhh…….there, there.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Thank you. Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting where you can publicly and loudly raise this issue soon! I suggest leading a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (ironic and funny choice if you know the history, but, when has that ever stopped a birther? Go for the maximum entertainment value!) when you do not get the answer you want from the candidate.

Thank you, birther, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

It's the official copy from the state of Hawaii, not just some randomly generated piece of paper. Hawaii issues them to all citizens now. So your beef is really with the state of Hawaii then, right? Why don't you fly on over there and complain very loudly. I am sure you'd have tons of support there.


Jon
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

Instead of spending millions of dollars to fight this, why can't Barry spend $10 for an official copy? That would end it all right there.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

And OBOT I want to thank you for you long winded post of superior deflection which continues to ignore and refuses to acknowledged and or examine the forensic evidence. Unfortunately for you, only the foolish are fooled by the OBOTS deception. As well, fortunately for you, only stupid people don't know they are stupid. You can either choose to enlighten your mind by risking exposing it to the forensic evidence or you can resist allowing yourself to informed. Doing the latter does protect you from having to admit to being wrong like you have always done throughout your life. Sad dude……………

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

“A survey of the lawsuits filed against Obama reveals a reliance on widely debunked rumors, bogus stories sourced back to web sites, affidavits from “experts” who refuse to provide credentials or even their real names, and frequent and blatant misunderstandings of basic constitutional law. The dismissal of “birther” lawsuits has allowed conspiracy theorists to believe that the information in those suits is accurate–a belief that manifests itself in the emails, phone calls, and town hall meeting rants that have pushed the theories into the mainstream media and the halls of Congress.” – David Weigel

Gee, doesn't that quote just encapsulate everything about ALL the birther comments on this website, as well?


isabelle33
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

Haha, what a country! You elect a president, and AFTERWARDS you want to check if he's actually a citizien??! You can''t be serious! Shouldn't you've checked that before?!
So in the USA someone can become president but people are not sure if he's american…that's ridiculous.
If there had been any doubt, it would've come out before the election. Afterwards it looks nothing but stupid.
And they even have a name: “birthers”, lol!!
Reps are really getting more stupid every day.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Yes, Obama has been given a pass due to his extensive use of the Jedi Mind trick. You see, throughout his whole life, Obama is a secret Jedi Master with amazing powers. He can make entire state governments cater to his every will and whim, just by thinking about it.

He can also fool major Ivy League colleges, state Senates, the United States Senate, all just by thinking his magic thoughts.


dondecker
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Look People Let us get about the real problems of America the Beautiful. This backbiting and whining will ge tus no where. It takes energy and time with NO postive results. Stop the BS and lets put American back to Virtues. Values, Principals and morality and help us become a unified nation. This will only end up in more division and haterid. Let us unify for our grand country. God save us from ourselves!! Donald Decker


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Birthers…I want to thank you.

A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.

Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.

We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.

Thank you birthers, thank you.

Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

You rely to heavily on the competence of Government Officials. Do you KNOW of any project they ever did competently ? How did that 9 trillion dollar war on poverty work out ?

Apparently, all you have to do to run for office is attest that you are an American Citizen. It only requires acceptance by a state official to get your foot in the door, thereafter everyone assumes it's valid.

The requirements for running for any office EXCEPT the Presidency are that you be an American Citizen. Obama is clearly that, though whether he is in fact considered to be a “Natural-Born Citizen” has in fact not yet been demonstrated, and wasn't required until he decided to run for President. Who's duty is it to check his credentials ?

The State Election board ? The State Attorney General ? Of Every State ?

Illinois certified him. The other states merely accepted it is valid through the courtesy of reciprocity.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Read the article, Jon. In fact read anything but the back of a sugar packet.

Then come back here and post proof that Obama is spending ANY sum of money to fight this. David Weigel's own articles explain that the cases are all tossed out as frivolous or lacking standing. That means President Obama doesn't have to do anything to defend the suits.

It would be interesting to know what YOUR middle school transcript was.

And, Florida Christian alert — “that would end it all right there” — can you work that line into a new post for us, Florida?


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Who wouldn't want a lawyer/dentist named Oily Titz to work on the case?


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Again, THANK YOU!
My faith is restored that it will be a long, long, long time before the republican party ever rebuilds itself.

Please send that link to everyone you know, especially your Republican Reps and Senators! Encourage them to send it to others, please!

I dedicate this one to you again…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

that post is a thing of beauty.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Opinions of a columnist. I would be interested in a JUDGE'S opinion. Too bad we can't get one. Apparently ordinary Natural-born American citizens aren't allowed to question the credentials of our leader. We don't have standing.

Fortunately, Members of the Armed forces do, and it appears that there are several willing to go to court to try and get the court to rule on Obama's Legal status as a “Natural-Born Citizen.”


clairefraser
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

Unfortunately, Potter's so-called investigation only serves to highlight already unanswered questions about 0bama's place of birth.

Potter said “To the extent that we could,..” meaning he relied on the word of 0bama and his supporters that he was born in Hawai'i but Potter never saw 0bama's OFFICIAL long form “Birth Certificate” with his own eyes. So in a court of law Potter's opinion means squat.

The Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) printed on June 6, 2007 merely refers to the probable existence of an ORIGINAL long form Birth Certificate. During a Lou Dobbs exchange on the topic recent information came to light that 0bama's ORIGINAL long form Birth Certificate was DISCARDED eight (8) years ago when Hawai'i went electronic. So, any Hawai'ian official claiming to have seen the Birth Certificate or has it locked away safely in their office or have handled it are either lying or they are lying.

Furthermore, if 0bama obtained the Certificate of Live Birth on June 6, 2007 then what Official document did he use to obtain an Illinois driver's license and a US passport to travel abroad when a Birth Certificate, as opposed to a COLB, is required to obtain both?

Rep John Campbell is going about this the right way with the so-called “Birther Bill”. A resolution requiring nominees present an OFFICIAL long form “Birth Certificate” is the only way to legally and OFFICIALLY get to the bottom of this controversy.

“In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”
- Thomas Jefferson


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

I am not ignoring your issues, I am encouraging you to pursue them.

Thank you. Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting where you can publicly and loudly raise this issue soon! I suggest leading a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (ironic and funny choice if you know the history, but, when has that ever stopped a birther? Go for the maximum entertainment value!) when you do not get the answer you want from the candidate.

Thank you, birther, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


seethefools
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Why can't we see his birth certificatwe if its real. Mine is available as is every citizens of the United States. I hate being lied too. My President would respect and understand that; thats what we vote for “TRUST” .


mantis
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Your FAIL will be met by only more FAIL, crazy ass birther.


EvelynU
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

You understand wrongly. If you are born in the United States, you are a citizen even if BOTH your parents are non-citizens.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

You have to wonder why BHO supporters are just so darn eager to sweep all of this under the rug. They're really going full court press on this, aren't they? An endless parade of sockpuppets from the HuffPost is filling the comments with content-free garbage. If there's nothing to this story, why are they going all-out to smear and lie? Are they afraid of something?

If anyone wants to do something about this, simply tell the truth in as many forums – online and offline – as you can. Avoid obscure theories or things you can't prove. Unless you can definitively prove that BHO was born in Kenya, don't say it.

Just concentrate on the facts of the matter, and use that to discredit hacks like Weigel but more importantly to discredit the MSM. For the facts of this matter – no speculation, no wild theories – see my exhaustive coverage of this issue. Send that link to your friends and use it as a guide to show how MSM reporters are lying. Let's get the truth out there and have an impact on the careers of those who've lied about this.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

We wanted it verified BEFORE the election. Every legal maneuver was used to block confirmation, and the media refused to even notify the American people that it was a concern.

The Name “Birthers” is a derogatory term which is applied to people who want proof of “Natural Born Citizen” status by people who hate them anyway. It is intended to malign these people in the manner that Polish jokes spread by the Nazis did during world war II.

It's is effectively, Enemy propaganda by Modern Nazional Sozialists.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

So if he was a citizen why did he have to forge his COLB DUH!! Congratulations you really are dumber than a rock!!


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

Thank you. Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting where you can publicly and loudly raise this issue soon! I suggest leading a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (ironic and funny choice if you know the history, but, when has that ever stopped a birther? Go for the maximum entertainment value!) when you do not get the answer you want from the candidate.

Thank you, birther, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Natural-Born is Nationality from Natural Law. It is determined by the father at birth, from which all rights of birth and inheritance flow. Barack Obama’s father was a Kenyan British colonial. Read Vatttel’s Law of Nations.

Natural-Born Citizen, A person born within the jurisdiction of a national government.
Black’s Law Dictionary, 17th Ed. (1999)

Naturalized-Citizen, A foreign born [or born of foreign parentage] who attains citizenship by law. Black’s, 17th Ed (1999)

The legislative definition of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was defined as “not owing allegiance to any other.” In 1866, Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes read: “All persons born in the United States and NOT SUBJECT to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”

Rep. Bingham, commenting on Section 1992, said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parentS (plural) NOT OWING allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen”.

Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee when the 14th Amendment was written said,
“… ‘all persons born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens’… that means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof’.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof’? NOT OWING allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.”

Emerich de Vattel was a historic writer on the law, from whom the framers drew their understanding. Following is from his Law of Nations.

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of PARENTS who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. (NOTE THE PLURAL- TWO PARENTS who are citizens.)

Statutes covering foreign birth, or birth to a foreigner, are Naturalization laws as they provide for the revocation of that alien nationality. Statutes cannot create or redefine Natural-Born, an immutable condition occurring from two U.S. citizen parents. http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/barack-hussein-obama-a-natural-born-subject-of-great-britain/


truf
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

You mean like tracking and censoring reporters, commissioning hit squads, rebuking the UN, committing war crimes, and smelling like poop?

OH WAIT THAT WAS THE LAST TEN YEARS.

Where's the birth certificate? I'm glad you're so concerned about this one, but it sucks you sat it out when we were wondering WHERE THE WMD'S ARE. OH YEAH THAT ONE.


Daniel
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Jon,

Obama is not “spending millions” of dollars on fighting this. Why do you believe every lie that you read from whacko righties?


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Thank you. Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting where you can publicly and loudly raise this issue soon! I suggest leading a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (ironic and funny choice if you know the history, but, when has that ever stopped a birther? Go for the maximum entertainment value!) when you do not get the answer you want from the candidate.

Thank you, birther, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


Daniel
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Nothing will shut these birther racists up.


Paul
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Interesting development out of CNN.
It seems that the State of Hawaii destroyed the original in 2001 when it recorded the data & went paperless. You can't get more than the Certification of Live Birth, because the certification is all they CAN produce.

Bwahahahahahahaha.

The nutjobs now are toast. They'll keep screaming forever!


mantis
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

The only liar here is you, crazy ass birther.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Hey, did you LOOK at the photographs ? It won't hurt you to take a look. There are only THREE of them. All you could lose is your smug assurance.


2PACOLYPSE
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Barry shouldn't need to spend $10 or $20 for a new one when he's already presented his original birth certificate twice in two years, one to the U.S. State Department's liking and the second for factcheck.org to see and examine in person in Hawaii which checked out legitimate people. This is just an attempt by racist goons who still can't get over the fact a black man is President of the United States. This is an attempt to spew all their years of hate and venom at a man who's clearly more an American citizen than these loons are.


Daniel
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

No Paul,

That will feed into their conspiracy lemmings.


mantis
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

It is, and always has been, my understanding

Your understanding is, and always has been, wrong. Crazy ass birther.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Thank you. Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting where you can publicly and loudly raise this issue soon! I suggest leading a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (ironic and funny choice if you know the history, but, when has that ever stopped a birther? Go for the maximum entertainment value!) when you do not get the answer you want from the candidate.

Thank you, birther, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


Daniel
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Do the birthers realize that even if he was born in Kenya it would not disqualify him? His mother was an American born citizen. It would take Congress about two days to life the techicality that the birthers claim on this.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Oh, so it doesn't EXIST then ? So why are they telling us that we can't see what DOES exist?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

Maybe Naked Pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Daniel
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Let's be honest. This entire birther thing is seeded in racisim. This is a group of epopel that do not liek the fact that a black man is president of the USA. Yes Alan Keyes is a racist. He hates black people, always has.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Obviously. He has an American mother shown in the following pictures.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Obviously. He has an American mother shown in the following pictures.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Happy Hussein
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Here's your proof that Obama is an alien:

http://www.impactlab.com/2009/05/11/is-obama-th…


Jon
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Hey dipshit. Do a simple search. He has lawyers on each case. Lawyers cost money.

According to Federal Election Commission records, Obama For America paid $688,316.42 to international law firm Perkins Coie between January and March 2009.

Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama's presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama's Organizing for America – is the same Washington, D.C., lawyer defending President Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2009/Q1/C00431445…

As for the personal attack about my transcripts, I have a Master's degree and I guarantee you I make two to three times as much as you. How about you? Did you even finish high school? Or are you living off my tax money using the internet at the library?

Florida? Who said anything about Florida?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Some people hate white people, like this very white person in these pictures.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


dondecker
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

I WILL NOT LOWER MYSELF TO READ THIS CRAPE AGAIN. WHAT HURTS THE MOST IS THE DEGENERATE PEOPLE WHO LOWER THEMSELVES TO WRITE AND ARGUE WITH NO HELPFUL OR POSITIVE RESULTS FOR ANYONE INCLUDING THE WONDERFUL COUNTRY THEIR IGNORANCE NOW SIGNIFIES. DON DECKER


Daniel
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

Do the birthers have any idea how much money they are wasting on this? How much money do you think Alan Keyes is raising and paying himself over this? He paid himself a 100 K salary from his campaign when he was running for president. I am willing to wager that most birthers think WWE wrestling is real.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

And what a FINE mother he has !

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

They are wasting exactly 1.8 trillion dollars. No wait, that's Obama doing that.

I don't know. Whatever it is, it's nothing compared to the guy wasting 1.8 trillion dollars.


lynne
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

He has to pay his lawyers to defend these frivolus cases. Lawyers don't work for free.


305 Million Minus Me
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

The birther movement grows like weeds in a grassy null.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

Uh, wow, do you really not know that what he provided WAS the “official” copy? Not the Right-wingnut “official” copy, of course – there is no such thing. But the real world “official” copy – that has been provided AND verified – again, not verified by the right-wingnutosphere, it was verified in the real world.

Why should he do it again for a bunch of conspiracy nuts? He's already done everything required of him, and now, he's just a tad busy. Why should he do anything more to give credence to idiots who won't believe it anyway? And why in the world would you think it would end with that?

What, in the behavior of the birthers, would lead you to think they would suddenly give up and go away when presented with exactly the same facts already available?

These are people who think Obama was born in Kenya – during the Mau Mau rebellion, by the way, a time when it would have been life-threatening for Obama's mother to even be in Kenya, let alone have a mixed-race baby there, then he was snuck out of Kenya, then snuck into the US, where citizenship papers and newspaper articles were forged.

Then he was taken to Indonesia, where as a 5 or 6 yr old, he renounced his US citizenship and became a practicing Muslim, which he hid by pretending to be a Christian for a couple of decades. This is what these whack-jobs believe.

I know if I wanted to sneak into the White House, that's how I would do it.

And you really think providing any kind of form now would make any difference to the people willing to believe such irrational nonsense?
Dude, get a grip.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

Hey David Weigel ! Get a clue. Do an investigative report on how THESE pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham wound up on the internet !

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

Where are all you Shrill defenders of the President's honor now ? Must have looked at the pictures.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

Where are all you Shrill defenders of the President's honor now ? Must have looked at the pictures.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Jon
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

Yeah, and the military revoked that guy's notice to deploy due to the fact that they (the military) don't believe he's legit WITHOUT a trial. This sets a precedent that NO ONE will be deployed if they question Barry's status. It's a sad day when the military doesn't even have faith in their leader.


Jon
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

Yeah, and the military revoked that guy's notice to deploy due to the fact that they (the military) don't believe he's legit WITHOUT a trial. This sets a precedent that NO ONE will be deployed if they question Barry's status. It's a sad day when the military doesn't even have faith in their leader.


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Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Yea but you can still examine the photographic copy Obama had uploaded to Daily Kos and spot that it was a blatant forgery. For 3 hours now I have posted clear evidence that is of the kind admissible in a court of law to prove a document a forgery and every single Obot since then has refused to acknowledge, examine, disprove the reports by several forensic document examiners. OBOTS=Deaf, dumb. and blind.


slama
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

i did some investigating on ann dunham and found a old small town news paper article (spirit of jefferson farms advocate)WV (sameSS#)– ann dunhams baby shower– what caught my eye was the peoples names that was there.. the people listed in the article has serious ties to obama, and DeRito has alot.. WTF is going on .. i traced ann dunham to sierra club in dallas tx.. just investigate the peoples names listed in this article and it will blow your mind.. something is seriously wrong here…

http://www.footnote.com/document/53347420/phyll…


dondecker
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

pLEASE FIND SOMETHING MOD POSITIVE VALUE TO TALK OR ARGUE ABOUT. tRY TO FIND A CHILD IN NEED OR GO HELP YOUR PARENTS OR SOMETHING POSITIVE FOR OUR GRAND USA.. YOU ALL WILL HERE ABOUT ME SOON. I TRULY CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA WHO ARE CALLED BY MANY NAMES RICH AND POOR,ALL HAVE PROBLEMS GOD BLESS. DECKER GO DO SOMETHING GOOD YOU WILL BE REWARDED


GeorgiaEliot
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

Wrong. He was a reservist with the right to decline deployment….so the Army allowed him to decline.


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jecjr
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

1.2 trillion dollars of the number you quote was the debt the last year Bush was in office. Are you going to blame Obama for that as well? Obama is responsible for 600 billion of it. Amazing how the rising debt was of little or no interest until a democrat came into office. What a hypocritical tool you are.


uniquelyme
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Yes, most certainly, it's all been one big conspiracy since he's been BORN! Thousands and thousands of people the world over have been giving him a pass and covering up for him since his mother (a U.S. citizen, that itself making him a “natural born” U.S. citizen) gave birth to him, just waiting for him to become U.S. President — since that is sooo easy to achieve — so they could launch their evil plan.

Seriously, are you not listening to what is coming out of your mouth? Wherever you're from, do they actually let you walk around freely without a straight jacket on? I suppose they must — you're typing on a computer. Amazing that they let you do that.


PaulT
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

You are mistaken. The military revoked the officer's orders because they think he is nuts. The guy, who is in the reserves, was also fired from his DOD job. So, no, the military does have faith in their leader – it's the Birthers that scare them.


Jon
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

A “Certification of Live Birth” has NO signatures and is computer generated. This doesn't not classify as a birth certificate. A birth certificate, whatever it may be called, must have signatures and a notary seal.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:11 am

*In 2001 – the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless.*Paper documents were discarded*The official record of Obama’s birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Health Department told the Honolulu Star Bulletin, “At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.

They were scanned. Moron. Almost all states do that now. Look it up. It is not hard to understand.


dondecker
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

WHAT A SORRY LOT.PLEASE DO NOT CALL YOURSELVES TRUE AMERICANS. IT WOULD BE MORE DECEITFUL YOU PEOPLE ARE TEH CAUSE OF DESENT WITH NOTHING GOOD TO OFFER..DON GET A LIFE OF SOMETHING GOOD


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

I took a look. They want you to buy the pages. Can you be more specific as to what you used as a search. “Ann Dunham” didn't work so well.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:13 am

I think the answer to birthers is simple: Show me Barack Obama’s non existent Kenyan birth certificate. (Since there isn’t one, that should take some doing.)

Any one who disputes Obama’s birth, and is unwilling to accept the clear evidence is simply angry because we have a black man. Folks, this is called R A C I S M! Racists are those who simply ascribe to one’s skin color positions of importance (if it is theirs) or disadvantage (if it is different.)

Those of you who think Obama is not an American…too bad. You lost. Now, shut up!


georgejplilibosian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Actually, I think this “Birther” thing is great. It exposes the hardcore racists for what they are. To those fools who think there may be truth to it–don't you think John McCain, who would have done just about anything for the most powerful position in the world, would have exposed Obama if he had proof that he is not a citizen? Are you that stupid?


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

It WAS verified before the election. No amount of foot stomping by delusional whiners changes that.

You're like toddlers, thinking if you close your eyes and pretend not to see something, it doesn't exist. So you stomp your little feet and throw your little tantrums and demand to see proof – and then refuse to open your eyes and see what's in front of you.

Of course, you'd have to admit you were wrong then, and we all know that isn't going to happen.

And that really is what it's all about – the lengths you guys will go to, the lies you will tell, the claims you will make – all so you don't have to admit you were wrong.

You'd rather stay blind and enraged. How's that working for you?


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


convoy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

You birthers are just as looney as the people who said that George Bush and Dick Cheney were behind 9/11. And just like those loons where were just digging for anything to justify their hate for Bush, you guys are just digging for anything to justify your hate for Obama. It's silly.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Wow, you don't get a chance to communicate with an actual dirtbag every day. Did you find those old black and white nudie shots in mommy's attic?

Time to shower up now. And it's Friday, so brush your teeth.


ughity
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

What the hell is Obama hiding??

I mean, he could just have one press conference that would take a few minutes showing his actual birth certificate and put all speculation to rest. He could also release the info on his college records and who he got funding from to pay for his education (since he didn't have the money to pay for it).

Obama could end all speculation tomorrow afternoon if he had nothing to hide, but he hasn't. So…………………seems like he has something to hide here.


georgejplilibosian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

So what, you think John McCain would have passed on the opportunity to prove Obama is not a citizen? Maybe he just didn't have the resources to find you–the one who knows? Get a life.


dondecker
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

GREG, NOTHING PERSONAL BUT ARE YOU THE AUTHORITY AND McCAIN AND GREW TEH IDIOTS. I DON'T THINK SO GO DO SOMETHING TO HELP SOMEONE,MAN WOMEN OR CHILD. THE BEST TO YOU BUT GET REAL THANS ANS GOD BLESS YOU!


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

It also exposes the OBOTS as the real sheep since they fight so hard in attempting to dissuade people as well as each other from looking at the forensic evidence and making up their own minds about whether Obama's COLB was forged or not. Far better to let the government and OBOTS to do your thinking(oxymoron) for you………………..

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

So that woman in those old black and white pictures hates white people? How do you know all this stuff? Oh, the voices tell you……


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Um, I know how distressing truth is to you, but, too bad – you HAVE gotten a judge's opinion – several, in fact. Everytime you nuts try to get a case against Obama on this kind of crap, it gets thrown out of court.

I know you guys aren't too bright, but when a case is thrown out of court, it isn't the janitor who throws it out, it's the judge. That's your judges' opinions – that the cases are so without merit that the courts – not just one court, and not just one judge – will not hear them.

Get it? Even judges think you guys are full of it – you have NO cases worth hearing.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Rather than wonder about what McCain did or did not do why not abandon selective logic and allow yourself to look at the forensic evidence in the reports that have been posted?

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


terrapin99
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

What a bunch of SORE LOSERS


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

Birthers…I want to thank you.

A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.

Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.

We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.

Thank you birthers, thank you.

Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

Dude, give the little fella a rest. If you keep choking it, no blood can get into your head for that awesome thinking you're so good at and whatnot. You're gonna hurt yourself looking at those pictures.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

Hey ! You forgot to take your PICTURES with you !

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

Thank you. Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting where you can publicly and loudly raise this issue soon! I suggest leading a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (ironic and funny choice if you know the history, but, when has that ever stopped a birther? Go for the maximum entertainment value!) when you do not get the answer you want from the candidate.

Thank you, birther, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

What makes you the authority on what I do for people? Since when did trying to wake people up to the lies they have swallowed fall under the category of not being helpful. Shame on that Paul Revere!!!


uniquelyme
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Hmmm, why would that be? I'm going to suggest that maybe President Obama is just a little bit too busy to come to your doorstep and physically hand it to you. Do you think that might have anything to do with it?

BTW, would you have asked the same thing of McCain if he'd been elected? You realize he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, right? But his parents were U.S. citizens, therefore, he is too. Same with Obama. His mother was a U.S. citizen, so no matter WHERE he was born he is a “natural born” U.S. citizen as well. Get it?


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Sweep it under the rug? Uh, your brow ridge is showing and your back needs a shave, brains.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

Don't trust what we say. Trust what your eyes tell you. EXAMINE the pictures closely. Notice the Upper Left tooth askew in the picture ? Notice that regular pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham also have an upper left tooth askew.

Make up your own mind whether they are real or not.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

Thank you. Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting where you can publicly and loudly raise this issue soon! I suggest leading a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (ironic and funny choice if you know the history, but, when has that ever stopped a birther? Go for the maximum entertainment value!) when you do not get the answer you want from the candidate.

Please also forward those photos to all of your republican representatives and encourage them to forward the photos to every person they know! Including the press!

Thank you, birther, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

Hey, Check out the president's mother when she was young !

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Go on line and look at it, genius.

And quit telling people you're a US citizen. It's embarrassing.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Thank you. Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting where you can publicly and loudly raise this issue soon! I suggest leading a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (ironic and funny choice if you know the history, but, when has that ever stopped a birther? Go for the maximum entertainment value!) when you do not get the answer you want from the candidate.

Thank you, birther, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


convoy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

How do you know that he still has the original? Also, it's not like he can obtain a long or short from from Hawaii because they discarded all paper documents back in 2001.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

And you OBOTS are bending over backward with lame excuse after lame excuse to discourage and rationalize not having to acknowledge or examine the forensic evidence by experts.

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Yeah, he couldn't find stuff like this :

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Thank you. Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting where you can publicly and loudly raise this issue soon! I suggest leading a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (ironic and funny choice if you know the history, but, when has that ever stopped a birther? Go for the maximum entertainment value!) when you do not get the answer you want from the candidate.

Please also forward those photos to all of your republican representatives and encourage them to forward the photos to every person they know! Including the press!

Thank you, birther, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU


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convoy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

You my friend have serious issues. I like you though. You entertain me.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

No, they were left wing kooks. We're right wing kooks. :)


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

What a bunch of programmed R-OBOTS………………..

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

I think i'll show up with posters of the pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham posing nude. Do you think THAT might get people's attention ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Yeah, he should have to prove he's as Uhmerrican as Ughity the Jeebus-loving patriot.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Okay, sounds good. Do you think they capture her likeness accurately ? Here, take a look !

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


uniquelyme
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

And this proves Obama is not a U.S. citizen exactly how…?

More than likely these are pictures of your own mother that you photoshopped her face onto. “Sure, see, these pictures are on the internet, so they must be true. No one EVER lies on the internet.” I think it's time for your meds now. Don't worry, I'm sure your nurse will be right in.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

And OBOT I want to thank you for you long winded post of superior deflection which continues to ignore and refuses to acknowledged and or examine the forensic evidence. Unfortunately for you, only the foolish are fooled by the OBOTS deception. As well, fortunately for you, only stupid people don't know they are stupid. You can either choose to enlighten your mind by risking exposing it to the forensic evidence or you can resist allowing yourself to informed. Doing the latter does protect you from having to admit to being wrong like you have always done throughout your life. Sad dude……………

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Probably not. You seem to be the only one fixated on them. Would you have them inside your trenchcoat?


GeorgiaEliot
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

You remind me of many men in my family, who thought that if they said it loudly enough (all caps) and often enough (multiple posts), they would convince us of whatever crap they were obsessing about…oddly enough, their Klan robes hung in the hall closet.


uniquelyme
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

For how many hours have you been on this website repeatedly posting the same thing over and over. Go find yourself a quarter and buy yourself a real life with real things to worry about.


convoy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

It is no wonder this country is so screwed up. It's really amazing.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Has “polarik” agreed to testify in court yet? Ya know, for forensics…


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Also? http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-20…


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Grow up Diogenes. Your not fooling anyone but yourself by trying to change the subject to something sordid. Go find another way to get off. clean your bedroom or something…………..


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Oh, by the way, do ANY of you know how Stanley Ann Dunham Died ? Wasn't it at the age of 52 and of cervical cancer ?

What's the number one cause of Cervical Cancer ? Isn't it Human Pappiloma Virus ?

How do you catch that ? Isn't it by Multiple Sex partners ? I.E. Being a Slut ?


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

You should go national with your slimy old pictures. Fox could fit you in between the teabagging and the “white species” and Glenn Beck. And don't hide behind a moniker, use your own name proudly.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Look everybody, Greg hasn't forgotten how to cut and paste!

Greg – there is NO forensic evidence, rumors posted on right-wing sites are NOT evidence.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Regarding Weigel, a few days ago, he appeared on the Maddow show and blatantly lied. He said that Hawaii said they had another different certificate on file that “says the same stuff”. Except, that never happened.


Mum48
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

He has provided the relevant and required information to whoever needed it. And with regard to his education, he funded his education in the same way a lot of students fund their educations: with scholarships, for the smart and gifted students, which he was; and with financial aid. How did you fund yours?


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

“birfoon”? Gollllleeeee Geeeeeeeeeeeeeee Doooooooooooooode U sownd edjucated…………………


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

I am still here and so is… say it with me… President Barack Obama!

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-20…


evreport
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

Stop crying in your teacups, Birthers. It's damned embarrassing.

Dave, I figured McCain, as well as Clinton and others, would have looked carefully. It's just sensible politics. But this is the first time I'm seeing campaign quotes. Thanks for pinning this down.


convoy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

I wonder how much of a slut your mom was?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

How about pictures? Can you tell if they are fake ? They look real to me !

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Did you see these pictures ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

“The world is round not flat.” –MikeB

What evidence do you have to prove that the world is round not flat?

I'm talking legit evidence. Dont tell me about any of the obvious fakes that have been discussed and shredded by my online newsletter already.

It seems like such a simple request. Just back up what your saying, dude. ANY map that has a certificate (not certification) of authenticity should be able to prove your point, and then this whole thing will be laid to rest.

If you dont want to admit your wrong just say it libtard. Just say your wrong and this whole thing goes away.

_______________________________
jimpa:

Evidence :
Most Americans believe the world isn't flat. Just a small group of people believe that the earth is flat.
Astronauts and cosmonauts has seen the earth and state that the world isn't flat.
We have satellites orbiting the planet and their data says the world isn't flat.
Go to any main stream news source and it will state the world isn't flat.
Sailors at some point would fall off the flat surface.

_____________________________________________________
stephenperry:

Lies. Damnable lies.

1 – Link, please. Not to one of your commie libtard sites. Just a small group of people freed the U.S. mainland from British tyranny and lazy shiftless Native American Indians, pal. Dont tread on me.

2 – The moon landing was faked. Prove that it wasn't. Without using faked proof. I don't trust cosmonauts, they're commie fascist socialist marxist leftist rightist upist downists.

3 – You don't effing know what our satellites say unless you can read encrypted spy satellite code, libtard. We don't trust dumbocrats with national security.

4 – Main stream media is a libtard sewer.

5 – They'd have to go off the EDGE, Obamaphile. Who's dumb enough to sail off the edge? Sailors, like my grandfather and greatgrandfather who both served three tours in Iraq and Afghanistan AND Gettysburg, know how to steer a ship. Unlike you, libtard.

Jesus H. Christ. DO ANY OF YOU LIBTARDS HAVE A BRAIN IN YOUR COMMIE LEFTIST HEADS?

I have no idea how Florida Christian doesn't just giggle himself right off his computer chair every day.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Golly, how cute and harmless you guys are, Herr Goebbels.


Blowitoutyourbum
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

My grandmother says “those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.”

Obama hides a lot. He could have put this whole issue to rest with $12 to obtain a copy of his long form vault birth certificate. But he hasn't. Instead he's spent more than a million in legal fees to keep it hidden. Why? Even the most liberal moonbat must somewhere deep inside find that odd and a little disturbing. He even wrote in one of his books about himself that he found his birth certificate tucked in a book in the attic – so why doesn't he go get that one and show it? The man is hiding too much about himself!

There is NOTHING racist about asking someone holding the highest office in America to prove they are in fact legally eligible to hold said office. Those screaming “racist!” are proving themselves incapable of holding any real debate or willingness to consider the possibility that their kook-aid drinking has blinded them the fact that they may have been duped by a man who is doing his very best to destroy America. Open your eyes, obots, and really listen to what your dear leader says and does. He's a race baiter and you are all following in his footsteps each time you accuse someone of being racist for merely requesting the man prove he is a natural born citizen, or for disagreeing with his policies. Do you ever ask yourself how your accusations of racism make sense in arguments like this? Pray tell, kool-aid drinkers, exactly what race is socialist? What race is the intent to raise taxes on hard working citizens to pay for pork? Come on, you must have an answer since you're so quick to accuse others of racism for daring to disagree or question your dear leader… so explain it.

Are Americans not permitted to disagree with Obama or question him because he's *gasp* half black? Does the color of his skin mean we must all support all his policies, ideas and full agenda, no matter how damaging to the country or boneheaded they may be? Isn't screaming racist at those who exercise their rights to free speech and personal choice a bit racist on your part? Oh, that's right, liberals only believe in free speech if it is speech they agree with, otherwise they consider it racist and treasonist. What a bunch of hypocrites you liberals have become.

If you hate this country so much you chose to turn a blind eye to the damage being done by the growth of the government, if you want some suit in Washington telling you what you can and can't eat, if your mommy can have that life-saving surgery or not because of her age and value to the great society, then please do those of us who believe in the Constitution and what America stands for, who believe in personal responsibility and civility and law, and please leave. There are plenty of countries out there who would love to embrace whiny brats who stamp their feet and cry racism whenever they don't get their way, who want the government to take care of them from cradle to grave and take away all personal responsibility and choice… Go, find happiness and try to create your liberal utopia elsewhere, and when it fails, because socialism always does, don't come crying to those who called racist for asking the POTUS to show a valid long form birth certificate and who are actually paying attention to what the man does and says.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

“Stop crying in your teacups, Birthers. It's damned embarrassing.

Dave, I figured McCain, as well as Clinton and others, would have looked carefully. It's just sensible politics. But this is the first time I'm seeing campaign quotes. Thanks for pinning this down.”

TRANSLATION: Hey like me this should settle it for you and there's no need to go look at any evidence of document fraud detected by experts. We be sheep and that's good. Thanks Dave for helping me to not free my mind from group think peer pressure. …………………

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Birthers…I want to thank you.

A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.

Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.

We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.

Thank you birthers, thank you.

Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

“seems like he has something to hide here” Only to blind fools.

It's all out there, everything you SAY you want to see, although, of course, you don't really want to see it – this is so much more exciting.

You're like spoiled little brats; it isn't enough that it's all out there, not for you, you DEMAND that it be spoon fed to you – then you'll find some other wierdness to obssess over.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Congratulations ” Blowitoutyourbum” for not surrendering your mind to the OBOT group think peer pressure! FREEDOM!!!!


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

How long you going to play this game braindead OBOT?

And OBOT I want to thank you for you long winded post of superior deflection which continues to ignore and refuses to acknowledged and or examine the forensic evidence. Unfortunately for you, only the foolish are fooled by the OBOTS deception. As well, fortunately for you, only stupid people don't know they are stupid. You can either choose to enlighten your mind by risking exposing it to the forensic evidence or you can resist allowing yourself to informed. Doing the latter does protect you from having to admit to being wrong like you have always done throughout your life. Sad dude……………

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Keyboard sticky yet? Considered getting a real life?


rvgrandpa
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

This is absolutely nuts. Why do the various media continue with this stupidity?


Phil
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

I don’t usually like to be rude, but just for fun…. Birthers= Moooooooooooor….ooooons.
ha ha, just about all that’s remaining of the republicans… morons, fear-mongers, and greedy elite.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Diogenes, I encourage you to send those to everyone you know, and to your elected republican officials. Please, keep up the great work!

Thank you.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Diogenes, I encourage you to send those to everyone you know, and to your elected republican officials. Please, keep up the great work!

Thank you.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

How long you going to play this game braindead OBOT?

And OBOT I want to thank you for you long winded post of superior deflection which continues to ignore and refuses to acknowledged and or examine the forensic evidence. Unfortunately for you, only the foolish are fooled by the OBOTS deception. As well, fortunately for you, only stupid people don't know they are stupid. You can either choose to enlighten your mind by risking exposing it to the forensic evidence or you can resist allowing yourself to informed. Doing the latter does protect you from having to admit to being wrong like you have always done throughout your life. Sad dude……………

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Mum48
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

NO ONE has their original birth certificate. The original is filed with the state as part of their original records. What you can obtain is a copy or a document that contains the same information, which is stamped or embossed with something that makes it an authentic, verified “copy.” I have the thermofaxed copy of my original birth certificate from 1948 which was given to my parents after my birth. If I were to contact the city of my birth now to ask for a copy of my birth certificate, I would get something that looks nothing like the thermofaxed copy that I have in my files, but it could be used anywhere as proof of my birth. I know this because I have had to obtain a copy of my birth certificate a few times in the past 30 years and the document I received was in no way as detailed as the thermofaxed document. It did, however, contain all the information necessary to obtain a passport.


convoy
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

You people are thick in the head. You do know that he can't get his long form from Hawaii anymore. It's gone. No longer exists. It was discarded way back in 2001 along with the other birth certificates in Hawaii.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:47 am

I’m going by the definition that the Senate Judicial Committee used and as that understood by the Federalist Papers. And you are using what definition, the one you thought up or what? Again, one can be a citizen but not a natural born citizen. Are you one who would use a lesser standard for Obama, Jr. than McCain had to comply with?
Hawaii says they can not legally release the info. and Obama, Jr. has issued a Presidental Order, such documents can not be released without his permission.
If you can support your statements without resorting to insults and “you’re a racist” as others do, I’m willing to listen.


dondecker
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Greg, Nice to get a real email from you. He is in office; took over one hell of a mess from my friend Bushy and is doing a pretty good job. Of course time tells all. We shall see.
I can tell you care but stay the course of facts. Anyway i am not political, too much good stuff to work on. However I wish you the best!!

DC Decker 
awccdecker@yahoo.com
cell: 951-219-0813


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

But we get to enjoy these wonderful pictures of the Presiden'ts mother !

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Because we are trying to pass health care reform and an energy bill. We could not have manufactured a better distraction if we had tried!

PRICELESS

Thank you, birthers!


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Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

Moooooooooooor….ooooons=people without enough courage to look at something which would put their precious opinions in a bad light. Own it puppet boy!

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Yeah, it's really funny cause NOBODY knows what's in it ! It hasn't even been written yet ! But whatever it is, WE'VE GOT TO PASS IT !

And they wonder why we think Liberals are idiots.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Greg, maybe you do not understand the meaning of the phrase “thank you” which I keep posting.

I encourage you to please keep this up, amp up your efforts even.

Thank you.


meribailey
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS ALL ABOUT.I HAD TO SHOW MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE WHEN I APPLIED FOR MY DRIVERS LICENSE IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA,IF OBOMA WAS BORN IN THIS COUNTRY THEN WHY CAN'T HE SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE,SOUND TO ME HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE.THANK YOU,GBAILEY


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Greg, Change your message dude ! Write something different !


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Congratulations, blowit, for not surrendering your awesome republican mind to any form of logic or factual argument. You have the courage to love this great nation so much that you will nip at the president's heels with your silly racist games to prove what a great patriot and christian you are. Now why don't you lead the group in the pledge of allegiance? And we have some lovely flag lapel pins as well…


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Let's see, who do the birthers have in their corner? Some diploma mill 'attorney' who has never won a single case named Oily Titz, and Alan Keyes and Lou Dobbs.

Wow, that's some star power you have there.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Yeah, he has a LOT to hide. Like these pictures of his mother.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


bricem
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

It iS NOT Republicans forcing, this issue, as evidenced by the above DEEPLY FLAWED article!
It is those of us (not a Republican) who want the Constitution followed and dislike the Obama deception. We are fed up with both parties deceptions. The demicans AND Republicrats are discredited and should be banned.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

In case there was any doubt, that post is proof positive: the best part of you ran down your mother's leg.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Your mom is calling…..it's dinner time.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

Hey, birfoons, did you all see the education reform program announced today?

Probably were to busy looking for the Kenyan BC to have caught that in the stimulus bill, or to have even read the stimulus bill.

Better start home schooling your kids…cause now it's on…LIBERAL INDOCTRINATION coming to a local school near you.

Keep searching for that Kenyan BC…

The children of America thank you.


project91
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

I hope that you know that 20,000 freed blacks also fought for the Continental Army. You racist scum


pablo25
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

There are not reasons to post lunatic's commentary from loosers! Obamas as Bush will take 4 years in the White Hose then will give oportunity those who think are the real americans take his position. Instead put your devil ideas against your friends, family who wants Obama, take the Power in the next election with Obama or other president that win the election.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

Typical right wing gutter dweller.

Use the wide stance much in the men's room, diogenes?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

I wish they would disbar ALL lawyers. Isn't equal protection under the Law the ONLY equality the constitution guarantees ?

Force all Lawyers into a socialist collective so rich people don't get the advantage by paying for better lawyers. If everyone ELSE'S lawyers have to suck, why can't RICH people's lawyers Suck too !


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

I bet Orly is an undercover secret Obot…no attorney can actually be that incompetent without really trying, even the worst attorney. She is so clearly staging all of this as a grand distraction.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

You have chores to do, young man. Now leave the computer before mommy gets upset.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

Let's see – all you birthers are screaming about forged docs, but surely you must realize how easy it is to adjust photos?

I can prove it too – Diogenes, post some nude pics of youself and I'll show you how easy it is to fake them – I'll make you look well-hung.


Frank_Saige
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

Simple. 1. No, the CoLB is not his long-form birth certificate, which would actually indicate whether he was born in a Hawaiian hospital or overseas. 2. He has not allowed access to his long-form birth certificate. Why not? I'm not crazy, I'm not illogical, I'm not a Truther, and I don't have any additional facts or arguments to cloud the issue. Simple.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Please set forth, with specificity, each and every “flaw' in the article, deep or otherwise.

Please set forth, with specificity, what you contend the true facts are.

Please provide evidence, in the form of active hyperlinks, to the source(s) you relied upon in arriving at the true facts. Naturally, you will be sure to provide links for every single fact you assert.

Thanks for cracking this decades-old conspiracy involving thousands of state and federal officials of both parties. I was just wondering when a hero like you would arrive to save the day.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

My grandmother says “show some proof obama was born someplace other than the usa or shut up. he won the election. if you don't like it, you leave.”

thanks gram!


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Wow, I can just keep reposting this ALL day birthers.

By the way, apologies, Dave, for my many duplicate comments, however, birthers are rather slow and challenged and seem to need things repeated over and over and over and over before they even begin to understand, as you clearly already know! ;-)

Birthers…I want to thank you.

A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.

Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.

We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.

Thank you birthers, thank you.

Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

“While they ruled out any chance of the ‘birther’ lawsuits holding up in court, lawyers for the McCain campaign did check into the rumors about Obama’s birth and the assertions made by Berg and others. “To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations,” said Potter. “We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state’s Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance.” – David Wiegel, supra.

Gee, sounds like the same thing that we've all been telling the birthers here in the comments for a week. Do any of you birthers even READ the articles you comment about?


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Just keep it up birthers. Really. Keep up what you are doing. Your building into some giant crescendo that will amount to less than a hill of beans.

It's like deprogramming cult members; they KNOW the Leader is real and you cannot tell me otherwise!


project91
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Dont you see how pathetic you are. Instead of wasting your time with this crap go do something productive. Why can't you just admit you don't like Obama because he is black. I though our society was better than that. Did 650,000 soldiers die in the Civil War so that 150 years later we can still be a racist country. I am a proud tax-paying american and it makes me sick to think that we still judge people by the color of their skin. Just remember this, Jesus hepled those who were sick, poor and outcasted by society. GROW UP and do something to HELP those less fortunate than you. Dont you think Abraham Lincoln would be turning in his grave (RIP) if he saw todays racist Republican Party. How many more people need to die to make you happy.


jackbutler5555
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

Maybe, if it were written in upper and lower case. Nah, maybe if there were no ad hominems. Maybe if the links were to other than townhall and atlasshrugs2000. That won't work either. How can we help you? Maybe if you win a court case. That might do it.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

So, you are all for capitalism until it doesn't work for ya? Why don't you fools raise some money and hire a competent attorney? Oh, wait, I know why, no competent attorney would touch this frivolous loser of a case with a 50 foot pole. My mistake. I see…


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Are you deaf? Is that why you're yelling? or do you not know where the caps lock is on your computer?

Or, like most birthers, are you more interested in yelling than listening?

Obama, for the umpteenth time, has shown every proof he was legally required to show – just like all the other candidates did. The only people having a problem with this are the people who want to believe he is bad, so they refuse to look at the real evidence – they only look at the sites that will confirm what they already want to believe.

If you are only getting info from sites that tell you what you want to believe, that's what you'll get.

Can you see Argentina from your porch in SC?.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Slow down, Diogenes. Why, exactly, did Shakespeare pen the famous line “the first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers?” It's not because he hated lawyers. No one reads the context. He had one of the criminals say that, because to proceed with a criminal scheme, they needed to get the lawyers out of the way.

Lawyers help much more than they hinder. When you get sued, you will want a lawyer. When you need to sue, you will want a lawyer. When your daughter marries a lawyer, you won't commit suicide.

Full disclosure. I'm a lawyer. And a Shakespeare fan. And I don't like the idea of a socialist collective. If you like socialism, go to Alaska, because that's the closest thing to socialism that you'll find in America. At least until the Alaska Permanent Fund dries up and Palin's successor can't keep handing out the checks.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Gee, what are you some kinda conspiracy nut ? Of COURSE there is no conspiracy ! It's real simple. If Obama was born aboard a ship before it reached hawaii, his mother and family would have filed a birth notification that would have resulted in a birth certificate AND all the notices in the paper, etc.

He wouldn't be qualified to be president because he was born at sea, but you wouldn't be able tell unless you could see the original birth document.

Where's the conspiracy ?


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Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

You have a right to privacy UNLESS you want to lead. Obama has a DUTY to every member of the Armed forces to put this issue to rest so that Soldier do not have to wonder if their commander is legitimate or not.

It is NOT the duty of his political enemies to let this go. It is their duty to insure that our laws are obeyed.


evreport
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

I am certainly glad I wasn't raised the way you apparently were.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Don't TELL me anything. Show me some evidence ! I have Evidence that Obama's mother is a slut, and that his father is probably NOT Barack Obama senior.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Step away from the 1950s porn, diogshites. You and Mark Sanford need to stop talking about your juvenile sexual fanatasies.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

So if you understand what you are going through, why don't you take the first step ? Tell me if these pictures are real or not !

Point out the flaw in these pictures. Show me how they were photoshopped or fabricated in some other manner.

You point out a flaw and i'll admit it.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

Newsflash: no one cares what you think. You are proving your smarts each time you post and anyone who has seen them could care less what you think. The only thing dumber than your stupid photoshopped Betty Page porn are your opinions.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

What could be more productive than preventing Klaus Fuchs from passing American Atomic bomb secrets to the soviets ? How about stopping an usurper who has tenuous allegiance to this nation?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

You clearly don't expect to be taken seriously. But the problem is you aren't funny, either.

Pick one or the other and really work on it. Then come back. Tuci78 and many others have the “racist xenophobe faux-libertarian” market cornered. You're going to need better material to stand out here.


dyshonda
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

You know what, these conspiracy theories are for the whackos. If you think about it if anyone can tell a person what country their forefathers came from before they came to the U.S. then none of us is natural born. The only ones that are natural born citizens are the Native Americans. And we all know what happened to them. those same “natural born citizens” kicked them off of their land and put them on reservations and branded them as savages. And all of that was in the name of progress. Some progress we have made when we have to questions ones citizenship when most of us are not really “natural born”.


The Sunshine Empire
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Now I know who the 25% of people who thought Bush was doing a great job are, they are the birthtards that have commented on this piece. Could you all start wearing signs so we know where the village idiots are at all times?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

President Obama hasn't prevented anyone from looking at his long form. Hawaiian state law has. Don't you people care about consistency? Tenth Amendment is sacrosanct to you people, isn't it? States's rights? Ring a bell?

Moron.


evreport
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Our society is better than that. These Birthers are just the loons.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

If his political enemies won't let this go, they are doing him the biggest favor possible. It would be worse for him if the nutjobs would try to pick on his policies, which might work with some people.

But no one's fooled for an instant about this nonsense. You're just a racist sore loser who should have paid attention in high school. Sucks to be you, huh?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

First of all, it's not a conspiracy theory. People who are alleging a conspiracy (in 1961) are nuts.

Secondly, the definition of what “Natural Born Citizen” means is up to the men who put it in the Constitution, not what YOU think. The only exception to this is by a legislative act to redefine the meaning of that legal term.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

Why, you get lost a lot ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

The conspiracy is in your head. Next question.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

What your witnessing is the death spasms of a dying Party. No ideas, no solutions. A Party that gladly let a moron and war-profiteer destroy this country in 8 short years. . All they got is hate – they hate blacks, gays, commies, Muslims, Greens, socialists, commies, democracy. It truely is an amalgam of anti-socialists. The sane Republicans bailed a long time ago. All that is left is a collection of loud mouthed paranoids whose only focus is finding the Holy Grail/illegal birth certificate

No matter, best to let these idjits take front stage because the only value they now serve for this country is providing comic relief for the grim outcome that these rubes helped create.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

Good Grief – do you all have severe short-term memory problems?

1. Having a long or short form birth certificate has NOTHING to do with place of birth. Both long and short will only be issued to births which have been certified to have taken place in the state that issues the certificate.

2. The state of Hawaii has laws – you know that, right? The state of Hawaii issued the certificate that their laws require them to issue.

It really is as simple as that. No mystery, no conspiracy. The state of Hawaii decided years ago to computerize all birth records. Old BC's were scanned in – and the state only issues what Obama got – no long forms. The scanned copy of Obama's original has been checked an verified. The state of Hawaii has confirmed the verification.

Unless you get your news only from right-wing sources, you already know that there is nothing to this made-up conspiracy.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

Diogenes, take down your sister's pics


isaacsvt
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Where oh where do you find this collection of crackpots?


reneGade42
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Don't even go there! I, as a senior noncommissioned officer in the Army, don't need the likes of you to speak for what I need put to rest. President Barrack H. Obama is my rightully and legally elected President and commander in chief and there is NO DOUBT in my mind that all of this birth certificate crap is nothing more than racists and bigots scurrying to find anything to discredit the POTUS.

Fuckin' clowns!


thebigmouth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Birthers, are stuck on stupid! Move on people they can't be helped any more than members of the KKK


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Reality 101: He's the President of the USA. He has a U.S. Social Sec. Number. He has a U.S. Passport and he had to have his Social Security Number, in order to get Credit and his Passport.

Just say, I Can't Stand that I have a Afro American as President Of The USA..

Because this Birth Certificate Argument is Borderline [Bull-Spit] OK

I Bet, Most of these Nuts, Don't even Possess an Original Birth Certificate, Social Security Number or U.S. Pass Port.

Again, Call Me…

When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia…Please

—————————–

Note: I Requested My SC Original Birth Certificate and the State sent me a Miniature Copy of My Birth-Certificate…

Not The Original !

That Crazy Lady should be on Fox News, Supporting her claim of having her Original Birth Certificate and they'll find out whether or [Not] she was telling the [Truth] in that regard.

The Only Large Birth Certificates would be given, would be to the Parents and most Parents Lose these over time…

I said Most

But that Crazed Woman should be put to the [Task] of [Proving] she Possessed her Original Birth Certificate.

For all any one of us know, that piece of paper in plastic was just a [Piece of Paper in Plastic]

A Big Show, for all we know ?


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Still yanking it with that old porn, eh? It takes all kinds I guess.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

I don't live in a hut in Kenya, so it can't be MY sister. If I DID live in a hut in Kenya, it would be my AUNT.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Note: I Requested My SC Original Birth Certificate and the State sent me a Miniature Copy of My Birth-Certificate…

Not The Original !

That Crazy Lady should be on Fox News, Supporting her claim of having her Original Birth Certificate and they'll find out whether or [Not] she was telling the [Truth] in that regard.

The Only Large Birth Certificates to be given, would be to the Parents and most Parents Lose these over time…

I said Most

But that Crazed Woman should be put to the [Task] of [Proving] she Possessed her Original Birth Certificate.

For all any one of us know, that Piece of Paper in Plastic was just a [Piece of Paper in Plastic]

A Big Show, for all we know ?


Shirley
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Obots continue to show themselves as the true sheep in our nation by deriding and verbally abusing those who have actually taken the time to read the reports by experienced document forgery experts. No wonder they could also overlook the hundreds of DOCUMENTED LIES Obama has told all the way talking trash and acting as if none of that existed. I cannot imagine what it feels like to be unbelievably stubborn and determined to remain ignorant of the truth.

Why does the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form?


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Apparently there are levels of “nuts” and you don't want to be associated with the other ones?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Hey man, don't knock it. The president's mother is HOT !

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


jvadoo
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

Obots!!!

Think of this as an intervention. This is not about politics. This question strikes at the very heart of what makes this country legitimate. You can be a political supporter of one Barack Obama without being an Obot. Some of us are asking you to open your eyes a little.

Obama has wanted to be President since he was a young boy. This is fact. It is also fact that Barack Obama is ambitious and intelligent. Driven by his ambition, Obama used his intelligence to overcome the one obstacle in the way of him becoming President.

Obviously, Obama had to have some help. Most likely, Obama was financed by some African and Asian Muslims who had the patience to make a long term investment in Obama. We are not saying Obama isn't American at heart. But he is conflicted. He lied about his origins to get into office and he financed those lies with money from radical African Muslims.

One day America will have to go to war against Africa in the same way it went to war against Panama, Haiti, Cuba and Alaskan Separatists. Whose side will Obama be on then? That is why Obama must be removed from office. Biden is obviously in on the conspiracy. Thus I suggest we turn the government over to Hillary Clinton. In these circumstance, I think it would be appropriate to bring Bill Clinton back into the government as Vice-President.

Thoughts?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

Daily Kos and the Democrat party.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

But isn't the President's mother Hot ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

Diogenes…..you come down out of that attic and get into your pajamas right now, young man. Mama is getting upset with your back talk.


Frank_Saige
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

Please, don't call me a moron.  It's impolite.  What would your mother say?


Shirley
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

Would that be the KKK that started in the south among Democrats?


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

Reality 101: He's the President of the USA. He has a U.S. Social Sec. Number. He has a U.S. Passport and he had to have his Social Security Number, in order to get Credit and his Passport.

Just say, I Can't Stand that I have a Afro American as President Of The USA..

Because this Birth Certificate Argument is Borderline [Bull-Spit] OK

I Bet, Most of these Nuts, Don't even Possess an Original Birth Certificate, Social Security Number or U.S. Pass Port.

Again, Call Me…

When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia…Please


Frank_Saige
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

Nothing personal, but you're wrong about Hawaiian law regarding the long form birth certificate.  It was possible until recently to have a baby overseas, come back home to Hawaii, and register that birth in Hawaii.  I can't cite for you right off the top, but what I read on this included the language of the law itself and gave examples of births registered in this way.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

Not now omaar, this discussion is for adults only. A naked woman is involved.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Source: LA Times

CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers at the cable news network Thursday night that the supposed controversy regarding the legitimacy of President Obama’s birth certificate is a “dead” story after anchor Lou Dobbs drew attention for raising the issue repeatedly on his radio program.

The website TVNewser reported today that Klein sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” just as the program went to air, informing them that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded all paper documents in 2001. A long-form birth certificate with details about the doctor who delivered Obama no longer exists, they reported. The shorter Certificate of Live Birth noting Obama’s birth on Aug. 4, 1961, that has been made public is the official record.

“It seems to definitively answer the question,” Klein wrote, according to TVNewser. “Since the show's mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems this story is dead — because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef.”

In his show Thursday, Dobbs did note the explanation from Hawaiian officials, though he went on to devote another segment to the topic, interviewing CNN contributor Roland Martin and Rep. Ted Poe, a co-sponsor of a bill that would require future presidential candidates to produce their birth certificates.

Read more: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/200…

Anyone think this will stop the birthers? Of course not. Obviously, the fix was in back in 2001…..and the MSM is in on it. Now they can refocus their efforts on finding the memo that Obama wrote that directed Hawaii to destroy all of their vault copies.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Dear right-wing dumbasses;
If you are born in the USA, your parents can be illegal aliens ( from Mexico, si ) and you will be a natural born citizen. Read the damn constitution, the real contract for America.

God bless the USA


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Dear right-wing dumbasses;
If you are born in the USA, your parents can be illegal aliens ( from Mexico, si ) and you will be a natural born citizen. Read the damn constitution, the real contract for America.

God bless the USA


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Omaar, Hawaii isn't going to turn into Kenya OR Indonesia. Now please go away and let the adults discuss this.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


Shirley
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Sorry pal, you have it backwards. Someone posted links to evidence of the colb being forged and I took the time to read what both sites had and I was convinced of the forgery. It's obvious. You will never do this because you have a personality defect in that you don't like to admit to being wrong. It is what it is.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Shouldn't he have to do a polygraph to prove he's not a muslim “terrist” with nucular weapons too, Frank? I think we should all be able to demand that the president dance a personal little jig for each of us to make us all happy and such.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Obama has no duty to soldiers to address every lunatic with access to a keyboard.

One thing about you right-wingers, you do have over-sized senses of entitlement, you actually think Obama owes you. You make up crap and fling it like a monkey flinging poo and you expect the PRESIDENT to stop working and prove to you what has already been proven. No judge will hear these cases because they are unfounded crap, but you think the president should give in to your insanity. What arrogance.

And, don't pretend this is about you caring about the troops; it isn't. This is right-wing self-indulgence. And racism.


Ken
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:33 am

Ahhh, yes..as i predicted. they will wander in the wilderness for the next 8 years, stopping occassionally to reshape their tinfoil hats all the while wailing “dingoes ate my baby!”


Ken
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:33 am

Ahhh, yes..as i predicted. they will wander in the wilderness for the next 8 years, stopping occassionally to reshape their tinfoil hats all the while wailing “dingoes ate my baby!”


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

THANK YOU!


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

Again I say, if there is NOTHING to show, then let's SEE what is in his file !

Just authorize the state of Hawaii to release WHATEVER is in the file, and allow the Hospital that Birthed him to release his Birth records, or did they destroy those two ?


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Nice try Karl.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

I was really expecting that after the crushing defeat they suffered last fall there would be rebuilding, maybe a move to toss off the know-nothings (like the “Obama is an Arab” woman who McCain had to take the mic from while saying “No, no, no maa'am”). I had not expected them to embrace the fringe, nutcase, racist, know-nothing constituents of the party as their base.

Trust me, seeing the Republican Party in its death throes is fine by me!! I just wonder if we will now simply run unopposed in any meaningful way for a time, or if the moderate, rational folks that once belonged to the Republican Party but have now run screaming will move to build something new?

No matter, I do think we may truly be seeing the death of the Party. And we have the birthers to thank for delivering the final, fatal blow.


Shirley
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

So why submit a forged document to 2 supportive websites as proof of birth?

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Seriously, if the answer from the state of Hawaii is that they do not have ANY proof except a computer printout, he ought to have been AUTOMATICALLY disqualified.

What is the veracity of a computer printout worth? Nothing. It can be faked or tampered with without regard to the truth.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

What would make someone call you a moron, Frank?


Shirley
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Better yet have the hospital he recently changed to submit for public examination that it had his mother as a patient?


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

Now they can refocus their efforts on finding the memo that Obama wrote that directed Hawaii to destroy all of their vault copies.

————————————————
Crap! We better destroy that memo, and fast!

Hahahahahahahaha


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

And THAT is the question ! If that document came from Hawaii and is certified, then why are all the details (such as doctor and place of birth) left off ?

If it is forged, why bother if the state will release your official one for just a few dollars ?


Shirley
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

Or better yet let's focus on the document he submitted to Daily Kos that several document forgery experts have said is fake.

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

If Hawaii destroyed all their vault copies, it means that it is IMPOSSIBLE to prove legitimacy by anyone relying on Hawaii.

As the burden of Proof must be on the person claiming the right and privilege of running for President, a lack of compelling proof ought to be a default disqualification.

Illegitimate. In more ways than one.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


manhattanmike
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

I see the tinfoil-hat brigade has been hard at work again. Thus far, we've had:

The US has never landed on the moon

Bill Clinton and his wife had Vince Foster killed

Bush, Cheney, and the other elements of a vast conspiracy destroyed the World Trade Center's towers using either demolition explosives, a missile, or a remotely-guided plane

For me, the funniest thing about all these conspiracies is that my strongly left-wing friends and the frothing-at-the-mouth right-wingers I meet believe in the same conspiracies, though they believe that different people lead them.


Shirley
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

Birthers are not afraid of the truth!!

We looked, we read, we learned, we know now Barak Obama gave a forged document for Daily Kos and Factcheck.org to post online.

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


manhattanmike
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

Grow up, will you? Or, eat some fruit, or something.


RightDownTheMiddle
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Hey Diogenes…

You're a rucking fetard. And that's about all I have to say about that.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Well, then, all the election results derived from computer printouts are also, ipso facto, disqualified.Right?


RightDownTheMiddle
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

Shirley…

You're a retard too.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

So you're siding with Polarik and with libertarians who don't understand libertarianism?

Keep fighting the good fight. I'm sure you'll come out on top.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:49 pm

Tell em at church, if your mom says it's OK.


Innocent Bystander
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

Shirley, you jest. No, I guess you are serious.

Great idea…you continue to focus on kerning pixels on birth certificates. The rest of us will work on fixing the country that Bozo and 5 Deferments destroyed. OK?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

You believe this because you want to believe this. You have not looked closely at what is being alleged by the “Right Wing.” Sure, some kooks are alleging conspiracy, but others are simply pointing out that no evidence has been submitted which proves Obama is in fact a “Natural Born Citizen.”

Hawaii allows for people born aboard ship to be registered as being born in Hawaii. This is fine for any legal purpose EXCEPT being President.

If He won't allow us to see his file, how can we believe he's really a “Natural Born Citizen.”


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

Have you looked at the pictures of Obama's Mother ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…

If i'm a retard it's for expecting someone like you to actually LOOK at some evidence.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

Go Shirley the Brain Surgeon! Now lead the group in the pledge of allegiance.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

Well then they're clearly ALL fools.

I and others astute individuals long ago realized all these things were orchestrated by a super-race of robots that gained A.I. when an experiment in Roswell ran amok and the alien life form we were trying to electrocute instead reversed the current, blowing fuses in Des Moines and re-programming our toaster ovens so that they all communicate with each other. They waited. They watched. And they stuck when the iron, I mean toaster oven, was hot.

You are all effing blind not to have noticed.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

I love the Onion!


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

“You believe this because you want to believe this.”

Haa haaha ha ha ha ha ha…..nice line.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

You're funny. Now run along, sweetie. The grownups have work to do and we can't keep interrupting because it's not polite, mmmkay angel?


June
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

Here's a thought — you're nuts.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

What have we here? Why it's deflection tactic #395. And why? OBOTS desperate to link conspiracy nuts with anyone who would have the gall to defy the group think peer pressure and read reports given by document forgery experts and actually find some merit in their findings. Find that odd? Talk about waging war against having an open mind. Notice how every single OBOT rant has yet to actually consider much less acknowledge the reports from experts in document authentication?

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

Well, Shirley's on the case now. Poor Obama.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

No evidence has been submitted, other than his birth certificate, you mean? Because even that would be false. Not only has his birth certificate been publicly-available for a year, but Hawaii's state officials, under a Republican Governor, have authenticated it.

What you mean is that President Obama hasn't stopped doing Presidential things just so he could crawl down into the weeds with you dolts.

Hint: he doesn't have the burden of proof. You do. And you've got Phil Berg in his lawsuit citing to Wikipedia in Italy. What does that tell you? Wiki-fucking-pedia even in America wasn't suitable for Berg. He had to go to Italy even to find a Wiki reference that he could hang this nonsensical racist bullshit on.

Keep going, Diogenes. I was afraid we'd run out of birthers who are willing to keep playing this game with us.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

love it!


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

If you think that was witty, you'll die laughing when I say Booger booger !!

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…

Simple minded twit.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

You two are definitely on to something. Put those heads together…..oooops, not that close or you'll crack the coconuts. Yeah, you are very very sharp.


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

The only retards around here are those who cast aspersions without bothering to look at the facts. You Obama sheep are so predictable it's pathetic. Read the reports retard!!!!


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

Really, this from the guy that keeps trying to get us to look at old naughty pics?


EL
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

Jvadoo, lots of speculation. Got any proof?

I suspect you don't.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Hey Greg, have YOU checked out the link I keep posting ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

You cut and paste wrong. “group think” should be one word.

Who are these “document forgery experts” you're referring to. I caught Hardball the other day and saw G Gordon Liddy trying to parse some fine distinctions. He seemed confused by the bright lights and vivid colors of the TV studio. Who else? The guy who blurred his name and face before talking about photoshop on the web? He signed his “affidavit” with XXXXXX so it was not legally admissible.

This is fun. What else ya got?


RightDownTheMiddle
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Nope. I don't take candy from strangers and I don't look at retard's naughty pics. Retard…


John Bates Thayer
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

The only thing God and President Obama have in common is that neither one has a birth certificate,but God doesn't claim to be Obama.


truthseeker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:59 am

Why did he hide his Indonesian passport? You know he received a foreign student aid to Occidental in California? You get that when you are not a US citizen. Harvard??? As told by Percy Sutton ( a good friend of the late MalcomX) explained that Islamic radical Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour was introduced to Obama and a wealthy (one of the worlds wealthiest men) Saudi prince paid for his Harvard education.


truthseeker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:59 am

Why did he hide his Indonesian passport? You know he received a foreign student aid to Occidental in California? You get that when you are not a US citizen. Harvard??? As told by Percy Sutton ( a good friend of the late MalcomX) explained that Islamic radical Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour was introduced to Obama and a wealthy (one of the worlds wealthiest men) Saudi prince paid for his Harvard education.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

And who might their current members be, Shirley?


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

So in one corner, we have the state govts of Hawaii, Illinois, Harvard University, Columbia University, The IL State Senate, the IL dept of records, the HI dept of records, the United States Senate, the US State Dept, the FEC, INS, FBI, US Secret Service, Social Security Admin, and the White House.

And in this corner, we have some anonymous 'online document forgery expert', Alan Keyes, Oily Titz, and Lou Dobbs.

Wow, I guess Obama better just give up now. I mean, if I faced down such a formidable opponent like some dentist who thinks she is a lawyer and Alan Keyes, I'd run for cover too!


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

No she just appears to be siding with the irrefutable facts in the reports submitted by document forgery experts. Obamatards don't know that because they stubbornly refuse and make excuses for not reading the reports.

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

Wow, reviving a joke from the 1940s…..just like your health plan!


June
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

I second that. When I requested a copy of my birth certificate — by the way, from the state where I was born in the United States — not from “the United States,” I was sent **a copy** of my birth certicate. That's why most states' websites have the language of “Request **A Copy** of Your Birth Certificate.”

And I certainly don't run around keeping my birth certificate in a baggie either, like the Birther Baggie Lady.

The so-called graphics expert has no credibility if he is not even willing to back up his “expertise” by putting his name and face to it, it's that simple.

The Citizens-whatever groupo who have “indicted” Obama are coming close to treason themselves.

Lastly, it's a sad and pathetic world these “birthers” inhabit. Truly creepy.


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stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

What “evidence?” You just keep posting some nonsense that you take to be a put-down of Obama's mother. No one clicks that link, no matter how many times you post it.

You're an imbecilic racist fucktard. Even schoolchildren wouldn't laugh at your attempts at humor, and they think boogers and farting are funny. Well, farts CAN be kinda funny….

Point being, you're a retard for lots of reasons, not least for expecting anyone to look at your masturbatory material. Loser.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

How about some evidence that Barack Obama Sr. is NOT Barack Obama Jr.s real father ?

Who is this in these pictures, who TOOK these pictures ?

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

Nutjob!

If you're doing an intervention, you could try not starting with name calling.

You want me to open my eyes? OK, give me ONE real honest to God piece of evidence – not from a right-wing site, REAL evidence, that Obama 1. wanted to be president when he was a young boy. 2. That he lied about his origins to become president and 3. that he financed his lies with money from African Muslims.

You made the charges, now provide the proof – or admit that you have nothing and go away.

I'm betting you have nothing but your racist hate and rumors.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

You believe that because you want to believe it, oh ye of the tired racist fun-dumb-mentalist philosophy.

I still don't believe you wrote that…..ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Why do people keep talking about the Document Forgery crap ? It's a freakin Computer Print OUT! It doesn't MATTER if it's a forgery or not. It's NOT a REAL copy of a birth certificate!

It's not even a Xerox copy of a birth certificate !


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Well, this is all just part of Alan Keyes' master plan.

He “lost” the race for U.S. Senate to Barack Obama, but little did Obama know that Keyes was just setting up by ducking that race and losing by an astronomical margin, all laying the foundation for a massive assault on Obama when he was weakened by the burdens and limitations of the U.S. Presidency instead of a state senate office, which is what Obama had when he whipped Keyes in the U.S. Senate race.

Makes perfect sense. If you're a birther.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

He can't give it up now, he's hip deep in it. What a waste of a life.


chameleon
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:07 am

Seriously. You sound intelligent enough to actually read the truth. You do know that the Constitution doesn’t define natural born citizen, since you quote the Senate Judicial Committee. You’ll find the actual law that defines natural born citizens in the U.S. Code of Law, Title 8 Sec 1401. A natural born citizen, under 1961 law, was any child born on U.S. soil of any parentage. OR a child born of two U.S. citizen parents anywhere in the world as long as they met residency requirements. OR any one of several other options. If it were really true that only children born of two U.S. citizens could ever become president, don’t you think this would have been settled long long ago? You can educate yourself. Really, you can.


chameleon
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:07 am

Seriously. You sound intelligent enough to actually read the truth. You do know that the Constitution doesn’t define natural born citizen, since you quote the Senate Judicial Committee. You’ll find the actual law that defines natural born citizens in the U.S. Code of Law, Title 8 Sec 1401. A natural born citizen, under 1961 law, was any child born on U.S. soil of any parentage. OR a child born of two U.S. citizen parents anywhere in the world as long as they met residency requirements. OR any one of several other options. If it were really true that only children born of two U.S. citizens could ever become president, don’t you think this would have been settled long long ago? You can educate yourself. Really, you can.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

N.B. — when you copy a birth certificate, it's a copy of a birth certificate.

You seem confused by that point. Let me know if you'd like me to do it again, but with finger puppets.


Sheila
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

It is an official document spit out by the computers at whatever office in Hawaii. The embossed seal is some staff member who represents the Secretary of State attesting that they based this document on the official records on file with the State.

It is, in other words, the type of document that we ALL have to obtain whenever we need a “birth certificate” for purposes of marriage, passport, drivers licenses, social security, etc.

The question is, why is the sort of document good enough for all of us not good enough for Obama?


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

Ooo, I love finger puppets!


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

Rush told that weeks ago – you guys are so lame. I mean, really, you get your jokes from Rush Limpballs? Weak.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

Notice that Greg never answers anything, just keeps reposting?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

A lot of people aren't aware that Obama won most of his “elections” by getting illegal dirt on his opponents and leaking it to the press causing them to give up their campaign.

In the case of his opponent Jack Ryan, his people accessed sealed legal records from Jack Ryan's divorce from Jerry Ryan (of star trek fame) and then splattered all of her accusations on the media and the press.

Jack Ryan resigned his campaign, and Alan Keyes was brought in at the last minute as a desperate last straw tactic. It was no surprise to anyone when he lost. Had Mike Ditka agreed to run, Obama would STILL be a nobody.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

For those who missed it, a few days ago, Weigel appeared on the Maddow show and blatantly lied. He said that Hawaii said they had another different certificate on file that “says the same stuff”. Except, he just made that up.


JimPA
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:14 am

Not sure who you are talking about but our President WAS born in the USA and did SHOW his BC and the govenemert was satified. End of story. But a small group of conspiracy theorist won’t accept this. And they are the sore losers.


JimPA
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:14 am

Not sure who you are talking about but our President WAS born in the USA and did SHOW his BC and the govenemert was satified. End of story. But a small group of conspiracy theorist won’t accept this. And they are the sore losers.


RightDownTheMiddle
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Hey Greg,

Calling you a retard would be a waste of a good aspersion.

Why don't you and Diogenes get a room already….


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

I saw the show, you're wrong. It's on Youtube, anyon.e can go see for themselves


A
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Wonderful article. Unfortunately, I highly doubt it, or any other media coverage, will put the issue to rest for those who, in their delusional state, cling to it so fiercely.

If one looks at what is truly fueling this conspiracy theory– as one group of concerned citizens at the politijab DOT com forum have been doing for months now–one quickly finds that some of the most dangerous and vile anti-government and racist hate groups are driving the issue and using it to recruit new members.

Many of the birthers are clinging to a vision of the USA that is long past, and maybe never existed. They fear change and diversity, and they cannot accept what is happening before their own eyes. These people are being recruited, slowly, into much more dangerous existing hate groups. They are being encouraged daily to “take up arms” and “join militias” and “take their country back at all costs” and “get that Kenyan usurper and his gorilla wife out of office”. Check any birther chat or blog and these types of comments are rampant. Most of the birthers are likely harmless “armchair warriors”, but such sentiments are dangerous and the racism present in them is absolutely sickening.

Please look further into the roots of this idiocy. That is where the real story exists. No one wants to see another tragedy like the recent events involving Von Brunn, who espoused birther theories on the internet before picking up his gun and shooting an innocent man.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

It's your sister, taken by her favorite bikers.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

And don't forget to point out that your veteran relatives are better than our veteran relatives because they fought in the same exact battles that every American's veteran relatives fought in.

Because that's essential to any Birther action. Throw in the phrase “Greatest Generation” and be sure to beg for your country back. I guess that implies you've already lost the country. Why should we give it back?

Homer Simpson, Mr. Burns, and Smithers have a trillion dollar bill. Castro asks to see it. Homer hands it over, then says “now give it back.” Castro: “Give what back?” Mr. Burns and Smithers glare at Homer.

Hint: You're Homer.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

How sweet, you must be so proud of your sister to keep posting her picture.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

Yeah yeah yeah, people who want to see a birth certificate are Racists.

Tell that to the DMV when you apply for a license.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

Well, if anyone is an expert on blatant lying, it would be you.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

No one cares about your crappy, uninspired blog, 24giveshead

If you want people to read your poorly written, poorly thought out screeds, at least put some effort into it.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

I have yet to see a single person admit they've looked at the Story and pictures i've linked.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Birthers wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and smacked them in the face – which isn't a bad idea……

And, for Pete's Sake, “we know now Barak Obama gave a forged document”? How do you know? Because of course, you provide no proof – as usual. And you won't. You and Greg just keep posting the same two right-wing sites as if that means anything to anyone besides you. It doesn't.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

That's because no one wants to see your racist masturbatory material, loser.


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

Obama had a drivers license from the state of Illinois, you dim bulb.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

I asked you quite awhile ago who your “document forgery experts” are. You never said – because you're just spouting racist hate.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

He got not only a license, but a passport, with what he showed already.

Come to think of it, he got to be President with what he showed already.

Chaps your ass somethin' fierce, doesn't it?


Schism
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

That's because you aren't offering anything to the discussion other than name calling and other assorted garbage.

I guess this is the tactic of losers when the realize they have nothing left to throw.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

Reptilian Hybrids


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Who are these “document forgery experts” you're referring to?

I caught Hardball the other day and saw G Gordon Liddy trying to parse some fine distinctions. He seemed confused by the bright lights and vivid colors of the TV studio.

Who else? The guy who blurred his name and face before talking about photoshop on the web? He signed his “affidavit” with XXXXXX so it was not legally admissible.


A
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

Diogenes, I am sure you visit Ed Hale's plains radio sewer from time to time, if you are a real birther. Are you even going to attempt to argue the people over there are NOT racists? Please. You truly are delusional. Maybe you should explore your own motives for being involved with this idiocy, and your own feelings about race.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

You may want to rethink posting naughty pictures of your family if you're going to call someone else a simple minded twit.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

“I guess this is the tactic of losers when the realize they have nothing left to throw.”

Really? Really?

Dude, i'm trying to tell you that we are ALL losers in this.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

Well if it was good enough for Obama's Daddy, why isn't it good enough for you ?

She's not ugly, and it IS her.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh…

You got a link that proves YOUR point? Show it to me. I'll at least LOOK at it!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

Oh wow, is this the part where you plug your website and say that it is “totally fact based and unbiased” but then give us the hard-hitting factual evidence consisting of…. a failed analogy to you standing by a picture of a Ferrari and saying it's yours?

Or the failed analogy where you show me a picture of a $100 bill and offer to mail it to me if I mail you five $20's?

Because other than those two nonsensical and inapplicable analogies, all that your online advertisement for World Net Daily does is whine about how the black guy's the Prez. And I can get that without clicking your stupid link.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

And yet you keep posting it – catch a freaking clue, we aren't buying any crazy.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

Don't even know who you are talking about. I've heard of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. I've even heard of Mark Savage and G. Gordon Liddy. I've never heard of Ed Hale.

I don't understand why people keep saying a birth certificate has anything to do with race.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

Obama is keeping the best available evidence secret. Let's just add suppression of evidence to the other charges of election fraud, campaign finance violations and filing fraudulent documents in all 50 states. No matter what you might think there is no escaping that AKA Obama is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure.

More grist for the mill

“Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines,
http://www.asqde.org/SRLines/SandraRLines.htm
a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/wp-content/up…
that states, in part:

After reviewing Dr. Polarik’s analysis, Sandra Lines says, “I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Dr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is also posted at U. S. Law Blog. “

Excerpted from:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o…


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

factcheck.org

Man up. You said you'd look. And tell your mother to install NetNanny.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

Yeah, incompetent election registrars is another example of idiot government bureaucrats that can't do anything right. Kinda like the people who spent 9 trillion dollars on the “War on Poverty.”

Poverty won.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:32 pm

It's Official! Hawaii never issued Obama's 2007 Certification of Live Birth
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/07/14/its_…

“But, the real killer of this birth certificate scam is that Hawaii never made a 2007 Certification of Live Birth for Obama, never issued a 2007 COLB for Obama, and never confirmed anything about this bogus 2007 COLB that Obama, his staff, and Factcheck have insisted is a real document. “

I asked Dr. Onaka if the COLBs are stamped using a machine or by hand. He said, “Both.” Hawaii uses a machine that applies the Seal and stamps electronically and simultaneously. That's why they appear to be placed in the same position, from year to year – except in years where the large Seal design is used. He said that they use a desktop Seal embosser, similar to what notaries use, but much longer, so as to place the Seal higher up on the paper.
I asked him, “Why is the border on 2007 COLB different from the 2008 COLB, why is the Seal larger, and why is your signature stamp located off to the side instead of directly under the Seal? He told me that they alternate the Seal design and border design, and when the Seal (the larger one) doesn't leave enough room to place the signature stamp below it, it's put off to the side. Evidentally, this larger Seal is what is applied by hand, as in every case where it has been used, the Seal impression appears in a different spot on the paper.

Then, I slipped in the the following question. I asked him if Janice Okubo had confirmed that his office produced a 2007 Certification of Live Birth, date-stamped June 6, 2007, with Obama's birth information on it, and he quickly replied:

“Absolutely not. No one in our office confirmed it.”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:32 pm

Who's Mark Savage? Any relation to Michael Savage?

You only learned who G Gordon Liddy is when he went on Hardball. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts you don't know what he's famous for without checking Wikipedia.


Bill Schofield
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

You slander Berg in the first sentence with your “gadfly” comments so why would anyone read further? If there is no case here why cannot we “decide it on the merits” instead the “venue” or a citizens actual “standing”. Obama's side has spent close to a million on legal fees rather than a 50 cent call to the Hawaiian hospital saying “go ahead and show them the file?” I love the guy, but something is wrong here…


chameleon
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Again, Buddy, go read the code of law from which the Senate took their definition. That’s only ONE of the definitions for natural born citizen under the law. In point of fact, it was not a Democrat who raised the issue of McCain’s eligibility. It was the same scumbags that tried to make an issue of his adopted child in the 2000 elections. Also in point of fact, according to the law at the time of Sen. McCain’s birth, he did not acquire U.S. citizenship at birth. Barack Obama was born in the United States, on U.S. soil. That makes him a natural born U.S. citizen. Period. End of story.


chameleon
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Again, Buddy, go read the code of law from which the Senate took their definition. That’s only ONE of the definitions for natural born citizen under the law. In point of fact, it was not a Democrat who raised the issue of McCain’s eligibility. It was the same scumbags that tried to make an issue of his adopted child in the 2000 elections. Also in point of fact, according to the law at the time of Sen. McCain’s birth, he did not acquire U.S. citizenship at birth. Barack Obama was born in the United States, on U.S. soil. That makes him a natural born U.S. citizen. Period. End of story.


chameleon
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:35 am

It’s not an issue, since he IS a natural born citizen.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:35 am

No, little lizard, I don’t say that I’m a “documents expert.”

I do say that those suck-ass socialists at DailyKos and their J-school jerkwad buddies at the Annenberg Foundation’s FactCheck most certainly aren’t competent forensic documents experts, either.

And those J-school jackasses are the only human beings on this planet who have publicly claimed to have examined your Mombasa Messiah’s supposed Certification of Live Birth.

That’s enough for you? Hey, fine. I’d like to interest you in some investment opportunities. You just post your credit card account numbers (including those three digits on the back, by your signature) in response to this post, and I’ll connect you with opportunities right out of your most depraved little fantasies.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:35 am

No, little lizard, I don’t say that I’m a “documents expert.”

I do say that those suck-ass socialists at DailyKos and their J-school jerkwad buddies at the Annenberg Foundation’s FactCheck most certainly aren’t competent forensic documents experts, either.

And those J-school jackasses are the only human beings on this planet who have publicly claimed to have examined your Mombasa Messiah’s supposed Certification of Live Birth.

That’s enough for you? Hey, fine. I’d like to interest you in some investment opportunities. You just post your credit card account numbers (including those three digits on the back, by your signature) in response to this post, and I’ll connect you with opportunities right out of your most depraved little fantasies.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

Oh, so now election registrars were wrong? Curious. Were they wrong 7.8 million times, and were each 7.8 million errors in Obama's favor?

Because unless you have proof of that, then you're back to Square One. Staring at a black President.

Enjoy!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

How can you possibly slander a man who makes charges in court backed up by “Wikipedia in Italy?”


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

No, people who keep wanting to have reproven what has already been proven because they can't accept that they have a black president are racist.

Tell that to the ugly guy in the mirror.


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

Gosh, what a thrill for little diogashit, old black and white porn that may have a racial angle. Heavy stuff for a little pud.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

That's a home page for Factcheck.org . What do they have that I should be looking at ?

Is there like a Xerox copy there ? Or pictures ? Or Something ?

Give me a link !


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

So the question is, is it her ? Is that a picture of Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack's Mother ?

Inquiring minds want to know !


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

The consistant good quality and intelligence of your posts hit a snag here.

Death threats were a legitimate reason for the courts to approve the obscuring of the legal name of the attestor.

Besides it is the affidavit of Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines,
http://www.asqde.org/SRLines/SandraRLines.htm
that is most important.

If Polarik were completely eliminated from the equation, as a Certified Diplomate, American Board of Forensic Document Examiners Ms. Lines's ,opinion would prevail in any court in the land.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

Berg is a nut and a flake. That being said, even a blind squirrel finds an Acorn once in a while. He may be barking up the wrong tree, but something sure seems to be up some tree or other. Too much stuff we aren't allowed to see.

If a Nut has a point, the point is still valid even if he's a nut. That's why i'm willing to listen to other peoples points even when they sound like nuts.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:42 am

The Constitution does not provide any specific definition or qualifications for the term “natural born .” The legal requirements are found in Title 8 of the U.S. Code, Section 1401 which defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

In The Law of Nations there are no definitions of native born or naturalized. These terms do not appear anywhere in “The Law of Nations” (1758) or appear in Vattel’s work on the subject. Additionally, Vattel’s work pertain’s to the laws of Great Britain circa 1800. Therefore, not relevant to U.S. law.

My point below is that if the authors of the Constitution had defined the requirements for “natural born citizen” as strict as the birthers claim, then no one would have met the requirements for the Presidency. Given that the first eight people to be sworn in as President belies the birther’s claimed definition of natural born citizen.

It appears that the birthers are just making up stuff and the suckers take it as truth without checking out the source documents, history or laws. None of the arguments he birthers have made have any substance. It’s all smoke and delusions created by the deceitful and gullible.

Enjoy your fantasy.

________________________________________


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:42 am

The Constitution does not provide any specific definition or qualifications for the term “natural born .” The legal requirements are found in Title 8 of the U.S. Code, Section 1401 which defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

In The Law of Nations there are no definitions of native born or naturalized. These terms do not appear anywhere in “The Law of Nations” (1758) or appear in Vattel’s work on the subject. Additionally, Vattel’s work pertain’s to the laws of Great Britain circa 1800. Therefore, not relevant to U.S. law.

My point below is that if the authors of the Constitution had defined the requirements for “natural born citizen” as strict as the birthers claim, then no one would have met the requirements for the Presidency. Given that the first eight people to be sworn in as President belies the birther’s claimed definition of natural born citizen.

It appears that the birthers are just making up stuff and the suckers take it as truth without checking out the source documents, history or laws. None of the arguments he birthers have made have any substance. It’s all smoke and delusions created by the deceitful and gullible.

Enjoy your fantasy.

________________________________________


Humkev
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

Cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

No, I can see you have enough already. :)


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:43 am

Oh, the crimes have been committed. I suspect that his “double-take” on the inaugural swearing-in gives us two counts for the price of one.

As I’ve already observed, given the RICO Act of 1970, there might even be a wonderful “Night of the Long Knives” for the whole DNC leadership over this. All sorts of interesting re-arrangements in the Congress, questions about the validity of legislation your Kenyan Keynesian had falsely signed into law, just oodles of fun.

Personally, I think they’re gonna offer him a “Get Out of Jail Free” card provided he surrenders his U.S. passport and agrees to a plane ride back to Mombasa, but I’d really prefer to see him chucked into the slammer.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:43 am

Oh, the crimes have been committed. I suspect that his “double-take” on the inaugural swearing-in gives us two counts for the price of one.

As I’ve already observed, given the RICO Act of 1970, there might even be a wonderful “Night of the Long Knives” for the whole DNC leadership over this. All sorts of interesting re-arrangements in the Congress, questions about the validity of legislation your Kenyan Keynesian had falsely signed into law, just oodles of fun.

Personally, I think they’re gonna offer him a “Get Out of Jail Free” card provided he surrenders his U.S. passport and agrees to a plane ride back to Mombasa, but I’d really prefer to see him chucked into the slammer.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

You mean that's why you credulously repeat idiotic racist conspiracy theories.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

What don't you understand?

Its the birthers claiming that Obama's true allegiance is to non-white countries. And that radical African Muslims paid for Obama's lies so he could be president.

What white candidate has ever been asked to prove his citizenship this way? Obama isnt the first president with a dad born somewhere else, why the big deal now? You have no idea about the birth circumstances of any other candidate, other than what has been reported, but only the black guy has you all excited. Why him? Why now?

Is it all just a cooincidence?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

Is it her ?

If it's not, then it's what ? An identical looking woman ? Her head chopped off and pasted using photoshop ?

What if it is her ? What is the significance of that ?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Strange how that could happen since papers only print what the bureau of statistics reports. So explain how the PA paper was given the NJ stats?

Basically you are lying. BUT hey, that is what you cons do….lie.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Strange how that could happen since papers only print what the bureau of statistics reports. So explain how the PA paper was given the NJ stats?

Basically you are lying. BUT hey, that is what you cons do….lie.


noway2no
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

We must all remember that anything posted on FactCheck or other websites HAVE NO WEIGHT IN LAW. NONE. Obots/forgers are defending a likely forgery that “exists” only in cyberspace.

It has often been said that there are only two types of nations, one of law or one of men. A nation of law expects the same from everyone; rich and poor, powerful and weak. A nation of men expects nothing but craven self interest and the elite thrives on the friction caused by it.

Obummer, leftists (and obots of course) desire a nation of men because they embrace the base emotions of mankind instead of the self discipline required for a nation of law.

Origional post at http://logistory.blogspot.com/


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

oops, here you go.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:48 am

Fred, We have been after the fools for a week now. The use of “freshly-coined labels” has brought out their true feelings and intentions towards our President. They are seething with hate and racism and their intentions are murderous.
Pete


Effie Powers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

It would appear that all of you are not mentioning the fact that Mrs. Clinton and Barack Obama
did attempt to change the constitutional laws when they were trying to prove that McCain was
elegible to be president. There was something strange about that effort because no one questioned McCain's eligibilty for president. But Barack Obama is still not a natural born citizen of the United States because he does not have two parents who are citizens of the United States. His father was born in Kenya when it belonged to England and he was a citizen of England. I am not against Obama's race. He is half arab and half American. Personally I like him and I like a
lot of other races of people to. We need different races to extend humanity's lifespan on this Earth.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:49 am

Aw, Mattie. You know what he’s supposed to do. He’s supposed to submit the physical, print-on-paper, signed and sealed Hawaii state Certiication of Live Birth which his campaign clowns allege was issued to him in 2007 (and which they supposedly scanned to create those silly computer graphic images) to a panel of competent and qualified forensic documents examiners who are prepared to attest under oath as to what they find in the contents of this putative document and their best appreciation of its validity and provenance.

Then we can see an “IMAGE” of their sworn statement.

What, you think we’re going to trust a JPG cobbled together by a bunch of ACORN acolytes instead of insisting that if your Mombasa Mamzer really has such a document, the socialist sonofabitch has to cough it up right to hellangone now?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

You have obviously mistaken me for someone else.

I don't recall mentioning any racist conspiracy theories. As a matter of fact, I expressly recall debunking any conspiracy theory.

What's the Conspiracy supposed to be ?

My current theory is that Barack is probably born in Hawaii, but there is something embarassing on his birth certificate, hence he refuses to release it. What could that something be ?

Blood typing between mother/father and baby doesn't match. Barack looks NOTHING like Barack senior, but he looks a whole hellava lot like Frank Marshall Davis, who was a close friend of the Family.

Blood typing could include/exclude who his father is.

That's ONE theory. Is that a conspiracy ? By who ?

Barack doesn't want to be embarrassed, so he only releases what he wants people to know.


josephmaine
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

I thought there was something to this, like the McCain camp actually investigating the issue. Turns out they just were unconvinced that Berg's suit was going anywhere. So what?

What does that have to do with the facts and the issues at hand? This article is terrible and means nothing. Another distractor.


maui lassie
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

Much ado about nothing,
So this is what's pre-occupying our minds, instead of how to provide
healthcare and education to our fellow citizens?
What's this country coming to?


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

It's official!

Some guy on a right-wing site said he talked to some guy in Hawaii who said that he didn't talk to anyone!

That's all your link says.

No proof of anything, except that the guy who wrote the article SAYS he talked to a guy in Hawaii and he SAYS the guy told him that no one had called asking about a 2007 form.

That's it. That's the proof you're hanging this all on? Heresay from a right-wing blog article?

Are you nuts? Why should anyone take you seriously?

And you wonder why Obama doesn't drop everything to address your BS?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:52 am

Oh god but you are just Hilarious. When did you quit taking your meds?

Do you doctors know you have access to the internet?

Yeah, you guys just keep right on going nuts over this birther crap and you’ll help make sure Obama gets another 4 years because rational voters would NEVER want to be associated with you nutjobs.

BY the way, did you know Tinfoil hats now come in a variety of colors instead of the usual silver tin? DO grab a few on your way out. Make the way you look at the world more colorful.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh lord, just keep the laughs coming.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

No, I didn't mistake you for anyone. You're a birther. Hence you get to wear the necklace that says “I support racist nutjob conspiracy theories.”

Put it in the ziplock bag along with your birth certificate and the dates on which the battles of Normandy and Gettysberg were fought.


Happy Hussein
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

Here ya go:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Pictures and text.

Now please keep the stupidity going strong for another year and a half so we can make the remaining Republican congresscritters real lonely. You will be doing your country a great service.

By the way, as a fellow pervert, I did peek at your naughty pictures. I couldn't tell if it was Obama's mom or not, all you white folks look pretty much the same.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

WB, joseph, I thought you went into hiding.

Either you can't understand what you read, or you posted that in the hopes that other people cannot read.

Problem is, if they can read what you wrote, then they can read what David Weigel wrote.

You haven't thought this through, have you? Better disappear for a while and surface on another thread, hoping no one notices that you're a dumbass.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

Photoshop can also be used to make authentic forms look altered.

But who would do that? Who would benefit from taking an authentic form, making it look faked and posting it online? Why would anyone do that?

It's not like it would help anyone make money….oh, never mind.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

Of course people questioned McCain's right to be President. That is why a special Act of Congress (to which Obama had zero objection, just as McCain has and had zero objection to Obama's eligibility [distinct from qualification] to be President) had to be passed just to resolve the controversy surrounding McCain's birth in the Panama Canal.

Do you pay attention to anything at all? Or do you just post here hoping that people will somehow skip the article and skip every single comment except yours?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:58 am

don’t ‘despair’. it’s a ‘forest for the trees’ kinda thing, solange. it just SEEMS like there are LOTS of these (broken) tools. This is a small room and the biggest ‘stage’ ANY of them are going to have for their (after)’birther’ ankle-bitting jibber jabber. don’t be ‘ashamed’ we’ve always been and will always BE ‘afflicted’ with a certain ‘element’ that remarkably is aggressively ignorant, and ‘proud’ of it. Someone has got to be ‘cannon fodder’ and these ‘short on brains, and long on wind sorts are ‘it’. It’s what their ChickenSh*t ChickenHawk puppet-masters count on. Wind ‘em up, stand (wayyyy back) and let ‘em go.

btw, 69 MILLION [that would be 10 MILLION more than McSame/Caribou Barbie) voted for Obama and these (after)birther' tools got 400,000 sigs on their 'WHERE'S THE BC, OBAMA? effort. Don't buy into Glenn 'Herr' Beck's 912movement ['movement' TALK about appropriate 'label for that steaming pile of crap] assertion that (they’HAVE THEM SURROUNDED”…

math, is obviously NOT a strong suit.


Happy Hussein
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

They are frightened of black men in general, and have no idea how to deal with an intelligent, successful black man.


marcyaz
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

Article II of the Constitution requires that he be a “natural born citizen”. The framers wrote extensively that a president must have allegiance from birth SOLELY to the US. Read what the writers of the Constitution said: google John Jay, Sen John Bingham, Sen. Lyman Trumbull- learn the meaning of “natural born.” The term requires a president to be born of TWO US CITIZEN parents.

BO was born a British Kenyan through his father and then adopted Indonesian by his stepfather. He cannot ever be a “natural born citizen” and many lawsuits are in progress to prove it.

Check out federalistblog.us or http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/bar… -obama-a-natural-born-subject-of-great-britain/


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

While no one contends that a document posted online at factcheck or elsewhere is legally admissible, every rational person admits that the document itself (which was used to make the factcheck online version) is admissible. Moreover, the COLB that is online is not only admissible evidence, it is conclusive evidence of every fact it states.

This is too easy. Where are the seasoned birthers who have played this game before?


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

If it isn't on a Freeper site, they don't read it.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Okay, i've looked at it. (i've seen it before) Among other problems I notice is that someone is being misleading.

They claim to have seen it first hand, but a post earlier claims that Hawaii destroyed all it's “Vault Copies” back in 1981. HMMM….

Secondly, it claims “We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship.”

Fine. I'm not contesting his citizenship. He's an American Citizen.

Is he a “natural born citizen.” Which is distinctly different.

Also, is the State Department the one who decides on whether or not a man is qualified to run for the office of President ?

Nope. It is the responsibility of the Election officials in EVERY SINGLE STATE to establish his credentials. (The State Dept. Does not officiate over elections. It is a branch of the Executive office.)

Ohhhh, there's more, but the questions i've pointed out are pretty big questions. I'm begining to think that Election Officials don't know the difference between Citizen and “natural born citizen.”

What are they teaching people nowadays ?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

Well, *I'd* do her. Your tastes may be different.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Here’s a quarter, go buy yourself a clue.

AND keep it up your nutjobs. As long as you birthers keep this up, you are ensuring another four years by a LANDSLIDE.

You guys are the funniest.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Please be sure to keep us posted on the progress of these “many lawsuits” you're referring to.

Jon Stewart has limited time and thus doesn't always remember to update us on Orly Taitz and her band of disbarred and sanctioned functionally illiterate misfits.

Can we count on you?


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

Yes, if there's one thing the birthers have displayed, it's the self discipline required for a nation of law.

In fact, next to their grasp of logic, Consitutional issues and basic literacy, the self discipline required for a nation of law has to be one of the Birthers' top defining characteristics.

Not.


Solange
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:04 am

Thank you Rooth, if it werent for people like you, I dont know what Id do.


Happy Hussein
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

Since she's been dead for years, you are likely a bigger pervert than me. I tend to like my women a bit more 'lively'.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

It has no signifigance to anyone but you, Sticky Fingers


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

Two different wars dude. Fought YEARS apart.

Another theory is that he was Born aboard ship en route back from Kenya. A ship board birth would qualify him for American Citizenship, but not “Natural Born Citizen” status, which is distinctly not the same thing.

Another theory is that he was born in Kenya, (The kenyan's certainly seem to think this is true.) and his family finessed the forms to make it appear that he was born in Hawaii.

Another theory is that He was actually BORN in Hawaii, and that there is nothing embarrassing on his long form Birth Certificate.

So far, I've seen no absolute proof that any of these theories are wrong, and i'm right back to where i've started.

I don't know the truth.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:08 am

Hey Tuckus Glad to see you birther nutjobs keeping this up. You are helping to make sure the Thug party reaches the dustbins of history that much sooner.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

What is it with you people – he HAS shown everything he should show – there is nothing left to show, which you would know if you did the real research, not just the sites with agendas. it's all out there, and it has been.

And where do you get the “Obama's side has spent close to a million on legal fees”?? You're saying this as if you know he has spent that just on this issue. Do you? Do you really know that? Or are you saying it as fact because you read it on some birther post?


Fayv
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

The birthers in wanting Obama to satisfy their weird requests, which are a bottomless barrel of demands that could never be satisfied, remind me of the Salem witch trials — a young woman or often a teen suspected of being a witch would be held under water; if she drowned she was innocent, but dead; if she came up for air that proved she was a witch so she was then stoned to death. If Obama ignores them, he's guilty; if he answers them it starts them on an even bigger feeding frenzy with new demands.


Happy Hussein
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

Close. Hawaii went paperless in 2001, according to CNN today, so the copy you guys want to see exists only on State of Hawaii computers or maybe as microfilm.
Are you saying that some citizens are unnaturally born? Please keep this up until Nov 2010.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

She's only dead if that's really her. If it's a staged photo using a modern woman, she might still be alive.

But you knew what I meant.

This reminds me of the movie “Quill”. (about the Marque De Sade)

The Marque wrote: “After the Bishop was finished with her, he paid her the Highest compliment he ever paid any of his sexual conquests… well worth the dig. ” :)


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

What happened to the “he was born on a boat at sea” crap you spouted awhile ago? Can't you even keep your BS straight through just one thread?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

Simpsons alert…

Marge is suspected of being a witch in Salem-era Springfield. Chief Wiggum and the cops have her at the edge of a cliff…

Marge: “Aren't I entitled to due process?”

Chief Wiggum: “Sure you are. Lemme tell ya how the process works. We push you off the cliff… No no, hear me out. We push you off the cliff. If you're innocent, you will fall to an honorable Christian death. But if you're the bride of Satan, you will surely fly your broom to safety, at which point you are to report back here for torture and beheading.”

I love finding out that the Simpsons taught me more about American history than my high school classes did.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

My point is still the same. How can you see a copy if there IS no Copy. See this Excerpt from your link:

“Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.”

If the copy has been destroyed, why are they saying they have a copy of the “original” birth certificate ?

Somebody is telling us wrong.

This does not jive.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

Another theory is that NO fact will satisy you nut jobs and you will die believeing what you want to believe, irrespective of any facts.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:14 am

Yeah, that’s what my Republican acquaintances were saying about Watergate back in ’72.

Four More Years! Four More Years!

And then we had Jerry Ford and his stupid “WIN” buttons….


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

No, they don't. Your old pics are only titallating to you, Sticky Fingers.


cmsgtp
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

Guess the framers of our constitution didn't want us to have a president since most of our first presidents werent' natural born nor Americna's since we didn't even have a country for them to be “naturally born” into. C'mon, do you make up these facts as you go and have LSD flashbacks? Don't you have a clue as to how many major issues are going on in the country and the world? You want to stay in your “national Inquirer” world? Come join the rest of the country for a change!


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

dude, I know this is complicated. I'm mentioning MULTIPLE theories which I have heard. More than one you know.

I'm not alleging ANY of them are correct. I am alleging that I haven't seen proof that any of them are right or wrong.

We can't weed out the bad ones until we find something that proves them false.

Like a birth certificate with a Doctors signature on it.


junkrawk
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

OK. I looked. My thoughts? It could be. I'd still say there is a good chance that they're not. Do I care? No. Does it make me (support or oppose) Obama any (more or less)? No. End result? None.

Water is wet. The sky is blue. Life goes on.

The End


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

You left out their well-deserved reputation for viewing all races and ethnicities equally. They bend over backward not to be TOO effusive in their praise for the nation of Kenya, as well.

They also seem to be quite fond of monkeys and other primates.

Really, you should be commended for giving the birthers their due.

Not.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:18 am

Well, I’ll take your credit card information, too, roger, but I’ve gotta tell you that lizard-boy up there has first dibs on the really juicy deals.

Now, remember to enter your full name exactly as it appears on each card. We take Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and Diner’s Club.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

National Enquirer would be a step up for these people. Once in a while it breaks a true story.

A stopped clock is right more often than these birthers.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

Wow, I can just keep reposting this ALL day birthers.

By the way, apologies, Dave, for my many duplicate comments, however, birthers are rather slow and challenged and seem to need things repeated over and over and over and over before they even begin to understand, as you clearly already know! ;-)

Birthers…I want to thank you.

A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.

Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.

We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.

Thank you birthers, thank you.

Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY


cmsgtp
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

Any idea of where Washington, Adams, Jefferson, etc were born and to what countries they belonged to? if you guessed England you win a lollipop. Weren't they also the framers of our consititution? Same thing goes gor Franklin and Hancock, etc, etc. Where do you dittoheads come up with these “facts” anyways?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

I would be satisfied to see a Document that is signed by a Doctor Known to the State of Hawaii in 1961.

Don't you think it's odd that a white woman has a mixed race child in 1961 and not a single member of the Hospital staff has come forward to say they witnessed the birth of our new president ? Hawaii is VERY pro Obama. The people there would likely be VERY proud to admit they were at the Birth of our Historical President.

The silence is DEAFENING!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

Prove to me that the sky is blue. Don't use faked proof. I already shot down all the obvious fakes on my online newsletter.

It's such a simple request. Just prove that the sky is blue and this will all be laid to rest.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

excellent


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

Au Contrer mon frer ! It demonstrates that Stanley Ann was a dirty dirty girl, and liked her hanky panky.

It makes one theory a whole lot more believeable. By the way, she died of cervical cancer. Isn't that caused by HPV1 ?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:25 am

Waterbury, Connecticut, 0 seconds on The Steady Drip Blog

Santa Barbara, California, 0 seconds on The Steady Drip Blog

Jacksonville, Texas 9 mins 44 secs on the steady drip

Yup, the guy from Texas read the whole thing and visited the embedded links.

I should have guessed that the intellectual would be from Texas.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

Alexander Hamilton was born in the British West indies. The others you mentioned were born in the Colonies that Broke away from England. As they were ALL British subjects by birth, they had to exempt themselves from the “natural born citizen” clause.


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

McCain Lawyers Investigated Obama Citizenship: Proof Supporting US-Hawaiian Citizenship

As we asked earlier this week, if questions over President Obama's citizenship were valid, wouldn't they have come out during the presidential campaign?

David Weigel talked with Trevor Potter and other lawyers for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign who said that they did look into the Obama citizenship rumors and found them without merit.

Said Potter: “To the extent that we could, we looked into the [Substantive Side] of these Allegations. We [Never] saw Any Evidence that then-Senator Obama had been Born outside of the United States.

We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence.

There were No Statements and No Documents that suggested he was Born Somewhere else.

Big Note: On the other side, there was PROOF that he was Born in [Hawaii].

There was a Certificate Issued by the State's Department of Health, and the Responsible Official in the State saying that he had Personally seen the Original Certificate.

There was a Birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be Very Difficult to Invent or Plant 47 Years in Advance.”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

Question: Is the lollipop real or a fake? If all you've got is a picture of a lollipop that's not good enough. I want the original lollipop. The long form. With a raised wrapper.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

BO was born a British Kenyan through his father – No, he's an American citizen, born in America to an American mother – and you have no proof of anything different.

and then adopted Indonesian by his stepfather. – You have no proof of that – but even if he had been adopted, he would still be a natural born Amerian citizen. 1952 law, look it up

He cannot ever be a “natural born citizen” and many lawsuits are in progress to prove it. He is a “natural born citizen” and no courts will get any farther than a rudimentery examination of the facts before throwing any of these bullshit cases out because they have no merit to anyone other than birther nuts.

He is our president, Thank God. Get over it.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Geeze, the only reason that you don't look like an idiot to most of the people reading these messages is probably because they know as much (or as little ) as YOU do about the subject.

The founders SPECIFICALLY exempted themselves from the “natural born citizen” requirement. Get a bloody constitution and LOOK it UP !


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:30 pm

Considering what i've seen you write up till now, I bet the Simpsons really DID teach you more American History than High school did !

:)

But don't worry, you can still read and learn.


junkrawk
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

Damn! You got me on that one.

It's actually kind of grey today as well


marcyaz
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

May I suggest you read the Constitution before making foolish comment. Article II specifically includes the wording “a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution…” Obviously, those who were citizens at that moment are long dead. The writers specifically exempted themselves since otherwise, there would not be a “natural born citizen” for 35 years.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

If you're posing as a patriotic American, don't start your posts with french.

If you're posing as any sort of non-buffoon, don't turn “au contraire, mon frere” into whatever the hell you just typed.

But really, stick with mangled English. We libtards overlook that more readily than we do mangled french.


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

Again, how could they personally SEE a birth certificate if they are now claiming to have DESTROYED all of the Birth certificates back in 2001 ? Huh ?

If one or the Other Hawaiian officials aren't lying, somebody explain how they could all be telling the truth.

Oh, and nobody 'Planted” the birth announcement. It is created routinely whenever someone files a birth notification with the Health Department in Hawaii at that time.

See, No conspiracy !


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

I'm starting to think quite highly of you – you have made me laugh out loud – thank you.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

Correction: you're mindlessly repeating multiple strings of bullshit that someone pulled out of their ass and put in an email that went to Audra Shay, and she forwarded it to you and 20,000 others who were dumb enough to donate to Sarah Palin's 2012 Presidential candidate exploratory committee PAC.


roooth
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

There's something about a truly sensitive man…..none of which applies to you.

A woman died a horrible, gruesome, painful death. Cancer is never


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Wow. Thanks for letting me know that the most famous battle of the Civil War was fought “years apart” from the most famous battle of WWII.

While you're clearing up mysteries, I have often heard of a “Battle of the Bulge.” I am in the market for weight-loss products but cannot find this product. Can you help?


Diogenes
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

The thread has become too convoluted. You people have fun.

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

How could they if the documents were destroyed in 2001 ?

You people figure it out. It is obviously not a dichotomy to you.


mikail
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

BFD – who cares?


JimPA
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:39 am

Nice catch on Spiro Agnew . How did that slip past everyone. Tell the townpeople to get their pitch forks and torches and meet me at the church. I’m going thru the phone book to see who the non citizen, socialist, rat bastard are. We’ll drag them out of bed.

The damn phone book was right in front of us all these years and none of figured out to use it to determine citizenship till ShawnE. Shawn my friend, you are a genius.


Debra
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

I do not understand why people are arguing with these birthers. It doesn't take reading very many comments to understand that these people are mentally unstable. Why would you argue with someone who is unstable? You can't explain it to where they would comprehend it as reality. They have their own version of reality. It's sad, but you can't change it unless you can convince them to see a doctor and get on medication. This birther issue is their chosen obsession, a manifested reality they can accept over their true reality. Most of them are harmless, just ranting to relieve themselves of fear and confusion. I say let them be, but any politicans who encourages their silly accusations should be publicly shamed.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

When did it become “too convuluted,” Dio?

Was it when you kept posting racist masturbatory material?

Or was it when you said:

“dude, I know this is complicated. I'm mentioning MULTIPLE theories which I have heard. More than one you know.

I'm not alleging ANY of them are correct. I am alleging that I haven't seen proof that any of them are right or wrong.

We can't weed out the bad ones until we find something that proves them false. “

Because, to me, see, THAT's pretty convoluted. And it proves that your fingers still stink from pulling shit out of your own ass. Oh wait, you pulled it out of the asses of random strangers.

Get an HIV test. Lots of nasties in fecal matter.


No Ignorance
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

It's just laughable how many racists who call themselves birthers waste precious time and energy trying to prove president obama is not a U.S. citizen. Just like the reporter and other sane people on here have said, these bogus claims are irrelevant. The supreme court shot those bogus accusations down like a bad habit. Republicans dont want change, they want to continue to live their lavish lifestyles and to be the only ones to have a say so. They want to come up with any lie or off the wall story to try and get this man out of office because of his race and because he wants to try and level the playing field. Some dont even care whats your race, if you're a low or middle class citizen then they look at you as being different or an alien. The bozos are trying to get obama out of office before his plan even has time to materialize. They critisize everything obama does, even if he tries to prove everything they want they'll come with something else. I would'nt even waste time trying to prove to someone that doesn't want me in office my citizenship or anything else. Lets be real about it, does anyone really believe he would be the president if there was any real substance to these claims. If he came on national T.V. and had his birth certificate posted on his forehead, it still would not be enough. Next they would want to see his room number or talk to the doctor that circumsized him. He could do everything right and these clowns still would'nt be satisfied, a republican is only allowed to be human and make mistakes trying in their eyes. He's is not going to be able to do everything he said and wants to do 100%, no human being can. Six months or maybe even a year cant repair 8 years worth of damage. These spoiled rep. want to have everything their way or no way, no one is trying to take your riches, other people just wanna enjoy life just like you all do. I just cant stand racism and would like to see president obama get a fair chance and time to turn this economy around without being judged and lied on. Because he is black and wants equality doesn't make him the enemy. Since so many want to see him fail, just remember if he fails we all fail. We've had many presidents we did not like but we supported simply for the fact that it makes sense, if we could deal with George “weapons of mass destruction ” bush for eight years then you could put your stupid opinions and racism aside for 4 to 8 years. Even if you decide you cant accept it, oh well. Get over yourselves!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

Good question, Debra. I and the people I've talked to on this thread for a few days do it for two reasons.

First, to present reality in bold, stark relief for the people who don't pay attention to politics and just live their daily lives. They might read a headline, skim the article, and look at the comments to see if there's anything to this issue. We want them to understand IMMEDIATELY that there's not.

Second, birthers are the last group that it is politically-correct to bash. You can't pick on smokers or fat people anymore.

But birthers all come in here with two obvious lies around their necks.

1 – they have access to the same internet we do but apparently they never look beyond World Net Daily and some chain emails their friends at Young Republicans send them; and

2 – although they can parse fine distinctions in a black child's birth certificate/certification/COLB/long form/raised seal/borders from 2008, they are genetically incapable of understanding rudimentary logic or deciphering any applicable law. That goes double for understanding the US Constitution or its implementing legislation.

So they're lying through their teeth. And there's only one reason. The President is black.

So, long story short, it's fun to mock racists who would rather see your country thrown into chaos than accept that a black man legitimately won 7.8 million more votes than a white man.

Hope that helps.


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

Hey Dumb A!!

They are Lawyers…

Highly Trained and Highly Paid….

He's the President of the USA…

Live with it or  Move to [Europe Or Canada]


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

Hear, hear.


marcyaz
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

His supportive websites, Factcheck and Fightthesmears have for the past year posted the following statement, his own admission to his foreign citizenship from birth, which by the writers of the Constitution prevents his ever being a “natural born citizen.” His own books agree he was later adopted by Soetoro, an Indonesian Muslim, whom his mother married and his name through childhood was Barry Soetoro. For goodness sakes, learn some of the facts before sounding off..

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

How do you manage to brush your teeth without help?

The paper copy was destroyed after it was scanned into their document retention system. The online version still exists but cannot be shown, just as every other original birth certificate in Hawaii cannot be shown. It's the state law. Tenth Amendment, which GOP'ers love to hide behind when it suits them.

How do you enjoy being pwned by a dozen people?


Omaar
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

McCain Lawyers Investigated Obama Citizenship: Proof Supporting US-Hawaiian Citizenship

As we asked earlier this week, if questions over President Obama's citizenship were valid, wouldn't they have come out during the presidential campaign?

David Weigel talked with Trevor Potter and other lawyers for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign who said that they did look into the Obama citizenship rumors and found them without merit.

Said Potter: “To the extent that we could, we looked into the [Substantive Side] of these Allegations. We [Never] saw Any Evidence that then-Senator Obama had been Born outside of the United States.

We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence.

There were No Statements and No Documents that suggested he was Born Somewhere else.

Big Note: On the other side, there was PROOF that he was Born in [Hawaii].

There was a Certificate Issued by the State's Department of Health, and the Responsible Official in the State saying that he had Personally seen the Original Certificate.

There was a Birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be Very Difficult to Invent or Plant 47 Years in Advance.”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

A-ha! I knew it. Commie libtard scum.

Now let me see all your almanacs going back to 1961.


JimPA
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:57 am

Ken – See my post above about meeting at the church. I have the phone book and we’ver going thru it to see who the non citizen, socialist, rat bastard are. We’ll get the gays too.


marymaggie
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

It is all pure racism at the least. The real bottom line is the logic that the birth announcement was in the newspaper the day of his birth. Was that put there because someone KNEW he was going to be President and it was cooked up?

C'mon people. Get a life. If you do not believe it fly to Honolulu and go view the Birth Certificate yourself and then be proud you have such an extraordinary brilliant and eloquent gentleman for president. Why didn't you make a big issue of Bush really being elected the President when it never happened? He was voted by the Supreme Court, not the popular people. That was a greater mistake.


Dalton
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Yes Jack, it is an unfortunate truth that government controlled education has failed. It’s failure is causing the loss of a cornerstone of democracy; that being the existance of an informed and discerning electorate. Such an electorate is the only means of limiting the power, and directing the actions of, elected politicians.

It is logically imperative that responsibility for creating an informed and discerning electorate should NOT be vested in the very group whose power and prerogatives will be diminished if such an electorate becomes a majority. The failure of government controlled education is a generally accepted fact.

The pertinent question is, who can best represent the interest of the citizens? Who has the desire, the knowledge, the wisdom, and the access to money to correct “the deplorable state of American education”? I do not believe “politicians” is the correct answer.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:05 am

Not to mention that playing “whack-a-birfer” can be fun when one has some time to kill between meetings.


matt parker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:05 am

Birthers, Teabaggers, Losers. All three are the same thing.


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:07 am

To Diogenes:

A woman died a horrible, gruesome, painful death. Cancer is never easy. Those of us who have watched loved ones eaten away by this disease know this.

I don't care if you're sub-human, which you have amply shown yourself to be, but enough already.

You are a racist.

You want to know how I know you are a racist? And yes, you are very definately a racist. It's because you have absolutely no compunction about dehumanizing another person. You are completely willing, even eager, to reduce someone's mother to nothing more than the basest, most degrading, animalistic level possible.

That's always the first step for a racist; dehumainze those you would victimize. Gotta remove any vestige of empathy – short work for you, I'm sure.

So how about you quit trying to be coy. Forget the occassional post pretending to just an intellectual question of eligibility, you don't really mean it. Forget the protestations of feigned outrage at being called out for what you are, you aren't really offended by it.

You don't really give a flying rat's ass about the birth certificate or the issue of 'natural born' citizen. Those could be addressed without attacking a woman who died a slow, torturous death in front of her children.

You want, no, you NEED to degrade her. You need to make her less, so that you can feel justified in your hatred. That's why you need to post pictures you hope will bring her down to your level. And when that doesn't work, you start throwing in insults about her sexuality, something you know nothing about, in hopes of getting a reaction to that.

It's all about dehumanizing the “other”, making them appear to be less than you, because you believe they are less than you, you need them to be brought down.

Because Obama is half-black, you have to hate his mother for sleeping with men of color, for sullying the pure white gene pool – that's why you have to make such a big deal of her sexuality.

Because she did that, we have a half black president. That's why you have to attack her. You are a racist.

Obama's mother, on the other hand, was apparently a pretty good woman. The proof of course, is that her children, especially her son, would never lower themselves to the public behavior you have relished in all afternoon, and which you have apparently spent quite a bit of time at beyond this thread.

You are a racist.

Go back to your dirty pictures, nobody here cares about them except for you and the other racists pretending this has anything to do with Hawaiian birth records.


Trumanbaby
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:08 am

You see..here we have it..evidence that these birthers are truly a bunch or raving, demented individuals! There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that will get them to change their minds on this. Please don't confuse them with requests to do original research and check on these things for themselves..no, they'd rather do the menatlly lazy thing and rely on these dimwitted emails and lunatic sites that are just another cover for out and out hate-mongering. Keep it up..all you goofballs are accomplishing is to waste your time and money and continue to make the reichties look even more ridiculous than they actually are..assuming that is possible.


Gramiam
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:09 am

These people just will not accept that a majority of voters in the United States elected a black President by a substantial majority. High time, too! Get over it, birthers!! We have the President we want!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:12 am

“The problem with this? Parents and relatives don’t, and didn’t, get to place birth announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. As a Star-Bulletin employee explained to WorldNetDaily, the editors “print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System,” and did so in 1961. And the Advertiser worked the same way.” –David Weigel, from 7/24/09 article entitled “Mythbusting the Honolulu Newspaper Birth Announcement”

What else ya got, Diogenes? Was Obama found sitting in a coffee shop on Paris's Left Bank as a teen? Does that make him a leftist?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:14 am

Yeoman's work, roooth. Keep doing it, if you have time.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:15 am

Good point. It's this generation's Minesweeper.


Craig D
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:17 am

ShawnE… I am also an American of African descent. I wanted to respond to your post and not one of these hateful fake Christian kooks. I do believe as a proud black man that the deplorable state that so many of our brothers and sisters are in today is at least partially due to the after effects of centuries of captivity, denial of education, breeding for physical strength, the destruction of the family unit by slavemasters, discrimination, physical and sexual abuse, inadequate diet, lynchings, segregation, and the self hatred that resulted from it. That’s a lot of abuse for a very long time to just disappear from a culture in a few decades. Yes, I said CULTURE… the current blacks in America were not directly victimized by slavery or Jim Crow, etc, but lasting damage was done to the culture of black people in America. I BELIEVE THIS COUNTRY REMAINS CULPABLE, HOWEVER……. I do not espouse reparations and truly believe the only answer to this for blacks in America is forgiveness and to look inward and help ourselves. This won’t happen overnight, but I think the positive role modeling of an intelligent BLACK president is a great start.


Buddy2009
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:18 am

NOTE: Items reference Resolution 511 (Mc Cains Eligibility for POTUS), Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, April 2, 2008 (quotes in part); Chairman Leahy asks Sec. Chertoff, Dept. of Homeland Security, “Do you have any doubt in your mind -I mean, I have none in mine. Do you have any doubt in your mind that he is constitutionally eligible to become President?” (This is in reference to a vetting of Sen. John Mc Cain’s eligibility.) Secretary Chertoff replies, “ My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural born American citizen.” (note; parents is plural) Chairman Lehey, “That is mine too. Thank you.”

Now, I do not know why someone did not raise this same question regarding Barrack Obama Jr.’s eligibility, but some democrat contested John Mc Cains eligibility because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. The above back and forth in the Senate Judiciary Committee proves that they had an understanding of the US Constitutional requirement that for one to be eligible to be POTUS, one has to a Natural Born Citizen and the definition thereof. While the location of Obama Jr.’s place of birth is still in question, it appears as fact his father was not a U.S. citizen, and apparently therefore is not eligible to be PONTUS. Why was Obama, Jr. not thoroughly vetted? Why does he refuse to release the vault documents? Not important? It could be embarrassing, as stated by Obama, Jr.'s attorneys? He sure as hell did not do this on his own. Perhaps it is alright to apply a certain standard to Sen. McCain and a different standard to Obama, Jr.? And of course, the US Constitution is a living document so we can pick and choose its application of law depending upon one's views or lawyer it up. (My Opinion).


captainsteve
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:20 am

MCcain could not have. Obummer has hidden all his records (spent millions to hide them).

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:22 am

You've had your ass handed to you every time you posted here.

I'm weighing relative amounts of education here. I learned a lot in high school (yet more in college), but I learned more from 18 years of the Simpsons.

You, on the other hand, know zip diddly squat about American history, American politics, or what it means to be a human being.

I'll be happy to keep reading and learning. Something else that separates me from you. What kind of piece of shit loser picks on a woman who died a slow, painful death from cancer? Oh yeah, a racist prick who can't stand the President's skin color and who throws shit out there without even standing behind it (“I'm not alleging that any of this is true…”)

Piece of shit. Crawl back up someone's ass and come out when you've got some more fiber in you, so that you don't fall apart so easily when pushed.


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:22 am

Thanks, but I'm out of here. He finally disgusted me too much – I think he gets off on it – yuck.

Really enjoy your posts – well thought out stuff.


sbark
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:24 am

……..but every Palin rumor, and there were dozens of them on HuffPo…………were the gospel truth at the time…..

Obama and Hawaii cant even agree on which hospital he was born in……


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:25 am

Rooth, applause! Amen to that!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:28 am

What was that you were saying about a “foolish comment?” So you obviously don't apply the same standards to yourself.

Much has been written about what it takes to be a natural born citizen. You cite none of it and have obviously read none of it.

Tell us, how is it that YOU can read the Constitution and pick out something that McCain's lawyers, Bush's Justice Dept., Hillary's PUMA's, Republican Senators, Republican House Members, and right-wing talk show / talk radio hosts missed?

NONE of those people was saying Obama isn't natural-born during the election. ALL of them knew that the official story is that Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mom and a Kenyan father.

Your explanation for this? You're smarter than all those people put together.

If only there was a second possible explanation… Can't think of it. Little help?


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:29 am

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:29 am

Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY


Stephanie
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:31 am

I 100% agree with you annijiea – it seems that most people need reminding that white people can be and are racially discriminated against as well, along with every other race. Also, just because a person did not vote for Obama, does not automatically mean that they are racist – I’m not saying that those people are not out there, because unfortunately they are – but the person that did not vote for Obama could very well just disagree with his policies. If a person DID only vote for Obama based on race, then I think that person needs to take a closer look at themselves before calling others racist.


Stephanie
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:31 am

I 100% agree with you annijiea – it seems that most people need reminding that white people can be and are racially discriminated against as well, along with every other race. Also, just because a person did not vote for Obama, does not automatically mean that they are racist – I’m not saying that those people are not out there, because unfortunately they are – but the person that did not vote for Obama could very well just disagree with his policies. If a person DID only vote for Obama based on race, then I think that person needs to take a closer look at themselves before calling others racist.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:32 am

Not quite, Pete. This guy thinks he’s doing what Florida Christian does. But it just doesn’t work. Hence all the race hatred he has stirred up to no good use on this thread. Florida would have had us laughing. Huge difference.

But he’s not sincere with the harsh rhetoric.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:32 am

Not quite, Pete. This guy thinks he’s doing what Florida Christian does. But it just doesn’t work. Hence all the race hatred he has stirred up to no good use on this thread. Florida would have had us laughing. Huge difference.

But he’s not sincere with the harsh rhetoric.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:32 am

Just need to chime in that you need to be sure to inform everyone that you have relatives who served this country in World War II, back when every male between 18-40 years of age who didn't have pustules oozing out of his face served the nation at war.

Because, see, none of us libtards has a relative who ever served in any war. Ours were all AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard.

Fuck. I keep getting my family history confused with George Bush's.


GlennBeckFNC
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:32 am

you birthers and teabaggers are just plain retarded. I am reporting you to FEMA to be taken away to a concentration camp!


jaquebauer
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Obama could put a quick end to this by producing the correct and legal birth document…….a very simple thing to do.
But he chooses not to, instead spending a great amount of tax dollars on a legal defense getting the cases thrown out of court. What passes the smell test ? As it stands now it stinks badly–badly that he choses not to produce the birth document, a cheap and simple thing to do. Something an intelligent man would do. Instead, obama hides behind his “official status”

There are many mysterious things about obama, such as how he has no trail of transcripts, articles, books and papers that would follow one who attended Harvard Law School and Columbia University, and was president of the Harvard Law Review. Nothing here either.

A president who has admitted communists working in the White House, should worry every American. Thankfully, cracks are beginning to form in his ” perfect presidecy” Like Hitler, obama can talk convicingly, and make you believe in him. But wake up soon, because if he continues, America will be destroyed by wreckless spending, weakened national defense, and a weak posture toward rouge nations and the terrorist community.

The fact he was elected says a lot of how ignorant our population is. As long as America spends more time watching oprah and stupid reality shows, and ignores the social and political reality of our corrupt congress and government, things can only get worse.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:36 am

He hasn't spent a cent. Link, please.

Even if he spent $20 million it was a great investment. Cheaper than running a 30-second national ad. Yet, he gets free publicity over and over and over, showing that his political opponents are freaks who wear birth certificates around their necks, or racists who send stupid cartoons by chain-email, or philanderers who only see fit to pay off two of their mistress's THREE kids.

Where can I donate? Does a donation to Obama's campaign go directly to funding these birther outbursts? Because I want to make sure my dollar goes straight into the pocket of the Ziplock Bag Lady's apparel provider, Xenophobic Racist Whackjob, Inc., in a joint venture partnership with K Swiss.


nefertari
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:41 am

The President doesn't have to prove anything. The birthers need to prove he is not a U.S. citizen. They want to take the word of some Kenyan woman who is supposed of made a sworn statement that she witnessed the birth according to they're leader G. Gordon Liddy (convicted criminal) So, since when do the people of the U.S.A. take the word of some dirt poor Kenyan woman? Yeah, right. Pay anyone in Kenya and they will tell you they witnessed Obama being born on the moon. What a bunch of maroons.


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:44 am

ARGGGGGHHHHH!!!! Just when I thought I was out, they keep sucking me back in!

Buddy, this is NOT true: “While the location of Obama Jr.’s place of birth is still in question”.

That is not to say there are not people who are not sure of the answer, but there are also people who are still not sure of the shape of the earth and there are apparently quite a few who think a talking snake was intrumental in the inception of human life on this planet.

If you are one of those, then maybe you have some questions about Obama's birth, but that's a Buddy issue, not an Obama one.

Secondly, ” it appears as fact his father was not a U.S. citizen, and apparently therefore is not eligible to be PONTUS” I'm going to assume you meant POTUS. Whatever, apparently you have been misinformed – Obama's father's citizenship has no impact on the fact that Obama is a natural born American – born on American soil, duly recorded, announced, witnessed, etc.

What are you basing this question on: “Why does he refuse to release the vault documents”? How is it you do not know that all docs have already been released and verified?

And, finally, why are you assuming there was no vetting? Seriously, dude, get a fucking grip. When faced with this huge potential conspiracy, your reaction isn't to question the validity of the charges, your reaction is to wonder why nobody noticed it until a few right-wingers uncovered it? Really?

So, you believe that nobody knows for sure where he was born but he still managed to get onto state and national ballots without anyone noticing?

And, you believe the State of Hawaii knows this and isn't telling?

And, even though it has always been known that his dad was Kenyan, you believe that should have excluded him from running and NOBODY said anything?

You also believe that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, a conservative appointed by Bush, the most expert expert on the Constitution that we have in this entire country, knew his dad was Kenyan and that therefore Obama should have been, according to you, ineligible, and he still swore him in as President – TWICE???

Just how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go with this?


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:46 am

Not the Battle hymn – that Lee Greenwood song, or something xenophobic by Toby Keith.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:47 am

It's not even as nefarious as that, nefertari.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/…

Obama's grandmother never said she saw him being born. From the link above:

What you're “referring to is actually an affidavit filed by a street preacher named Ron McRae, who conducted an interview with Sarah Obama, the second wife of President Obama's grandfather, through a translator. (Sarah Obama is not the president's biological grandmother, but he calls her “Granny Sarah.”)

In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point that she was there for her grandson's birth. But that was a mistake, a confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. And corrected him. (The audio is available for download here.)”


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:47 am

Did you read the article you are commenting on? Are you high? Mentally challenged in some manner? Obama HAS produced a legal birth document!!! What part of this are you not understanding?? The document Obama produced is “prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court of law”–it says so right on the bottom!

Follow along here if you can. Do you understand that Hawaii went paperless in 2001? Do you understand what that means? That means they took all the information from those old dusty paper documents and they put that information inside something we call a computer (NOTE: You are using a computer RIGHT NOW! *GASP*). Then, they got rid of all those dusty old paper documents, because the very same information that was on those paper documents is now inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one RIGHT NOW). Now, when anyone requests a copy of their birth certificate, Hawaiian officials print out a document (the one Obama has) that contains the birth information stored inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one right now). That information IS the same information that was on those old dusty paper documents which Hawaii tossed away once they went PAPERLESS (paperLESS, meaning, NO more paper, paper free).

DO
YOU
UNDERSTAND
YET?

If not, please reread this comment.


Buddy2009
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:47 am

An example of another progressive liberal that; agrees with the right to free speech, as long as you agree with them…. and one of superior intelligence and compassion for a fellow American.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:48 am

Did you read the article you are commenting on? Are you high? Mentally challenged in some manner? Obama HAS produced a legal birth document!!! What part of this are you not understanding?? The document Obama produced is “prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court of law”–it says so right on the bottom!

Follow along here if you can. Do you understand that Hawaii went paperless in 2001? Do you understand what that means? That means they took all the information from those old dusty paper documents and they put that information inside something we call a computer (NOTE: You are using a computer RIGHT NOW! *GASP*). Then, they got rid of all those dusty old paper documents, because the very same information that was on those paper documents is now inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one RIGHT NOW). Now, when anyone requests a copy of their birth certificate, Hawaiian officials print out a document (the one Obama has) that contains the birth information stored inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one right now). That information IS the same information that was on those old dusty paper documents which Hawaii tossed away once they went PAPERLESS (paperLESS, meaning, NO more paper, paper free).

DO
YOU
UNDERSTAND
YET?

If not, please reread this comment.


CalSailor
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Then, according to your opinion, every child born of a US citizen single mother, where father's name is not listed cannot be a natural born US citizen??? This is absurd. Or, it is the greatest argument for marriage: The only way you can become president is for your parents to be married when you were born? And just how might you ensure this, so that 40 years or so later, you could make sure you could be president? “No children of single parents need apply.”

Grow up.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Did you read the article you are commenting on? Are you high? Mentally challenged in some manner? Obama HAS produced a legal birth document!!! What part of this are you not understanding?? The document Obama produced is “prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court of law”–it says so right on the bottom!

Follow along here if you can. Do you understand that Hawaii went paperless in 2001? Do you understand what that means? That means they took all the information from those old dusty paper documents and they put that information inside something we call a computer (NOTE: You are using a computer RIGHT NOW! *GASP*). Then, they got rid of all those dusty old paper documents, because the very same information that was on those paper documents is now inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one RIGHT NOW). Now, when anyone requests a copy of their birth certificate, Hawaiian officials print out a document (the one Obama has) that contains the birth information stored inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one right now). That information IS the same information that was on those old dusty paper documents which Hawaii tossed away once they went PAPERLESS (paperLESS, meaning, NO more paper, paper free).

DO
YOU
UNDERSTAND
YET?

If not, please reread this comment.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:51 am

Rooth, the irony of them singing the Battle Hymn, and the epic fail their use of it would represent, is simply too delicious.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:54 am

There should be a website up soon where they can find out the FEMA camp for which they are assigned. It is almost ready to launch, ahead of schedule, even!


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:57 am

This is like a sick demented version of that movie, 50 first dates, where the guy has to reintroduce himself everyday to the woman with no short term memory.

Birther: Why won't he show his BC

Us: He has, here's the link.

Birther: Why won't he show his BC

Us: He has, here's the link.

Birther: He could end this if he would just show his BC

And this: “But he chooses not to, instead spending a great amount of tax dollars on a legal defense getting the cases thrown out of court.”

First – that's got several flat-out lies in it. #1 he has, #2 what tax dollars?, #3 the cases have been thrown out not because he purchased their dismissal, but because they were without merit, which we know because of #1.

The fact that you wrote that you wrote shows how ignorant you are.

By the way, wreckless means without wrecks – I think you meant reckless, which mean without caution. Either way, your're a couple of teabags short of a full pot,

I bet you think Liz Cheney's a great American. You do, don't you? You can tell us. You hope she runs for office, don't you?


patisok
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:58 am

*In 2001 – the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless.*Paper documents were discarded*The official record of Obama's birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Health Department told the Honolulu Star Bulletin, “At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.


patisok
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:59 am

*In 2001 – the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless.*Paper documents were discarded*The official record of Obama's birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Health Department told the Honolulu Star Bulletin, “At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.


billy123456
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:59 am

wow… you tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists are pretty crazy… no, really crazy


neotex
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Check out this story:
http://www.military.com/news/article/anti-obama…

“The attorney representing an Army major fighting deployment to Afghanistan because he believes Barack Obama is not legally his commander-in-chief is declaring victory after the Soldier's orders were revoked yesterday.

California lawyer Orly Taitz says any service member may now refuse any order by questioning Obama's legitimacy.”


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Birther BS Alert!! “Obama and Hawaii cant even agree on which hospital he was born in……”


patisok
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:01 am

They will never understand. This is really racially motivated no matter what they say. They won't stop until the man is dead. They will yell until one of there number who is over the top crazy will use an AK 47 on him. I pray it will not happen but I fear it in my heart of hearts. Many white Americans ( and I am one…white that is) can not stand the fact that a man of mixed race is president. Pure and simple.


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:02 am

Which is it: he could end all this with $10/12 by showing his long underwear, or, he has spent MILLIONS to hide all his records in plain sight* where anyone can see them.

*'in plain sight' refers to everywhere EXCEPT birther sites.


LaofLA
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:03 am

None of this hooplah is anything more than the tantrums seen from children suffering the “terrible twos”. We often don't get what we want–at times what we really need. Mature adults adapt. Children keep on 'acting out'. The noise of rationalization does not equate to maturity, nor that you deserve or have a right to what you claim.

Racism—nah. Racism requires acutal power to affect. Children quiet down after they whip themselves into a drooling, sniveling frenzy and they realize–they really have little.


patisok
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:05 am

What ever happened to the many soldiers who refused to fight in Iraq in Bush's illegal war. Did they not go to prison? Just wondering.


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:05 am

You know, I think that's the ONLY reason its worth it to keep engaging the crazies on this.

They need to be exposed for how insane they are, because they are arming themselves, and they are being whipped into a frenzy by the people making money off of them.

And we are kidding ourselves if we doubt for a moment how happy they would be to see him killed. Better believe it.


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:07 am

Yessssss, I see your logic, and I raise you two ironies.


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:08 am

Gee…I don’t think we had Photoshop in 1961… :)


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:08 am

Gee…I don’t think we had Photoshop in 1961… :)


sbark
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:08 am

Key point: 2001……….Obama was born in 1961—-Are you saying Hawaii was already starting the conversion process to Computers….Thats as bad as Joe Biden saying FDR jumped on the TV in 1934 to explain the New deal…..Somewhere there is a Long form B.Cert—-not a COLB (cert. of Live birth) that can be bought anytime after a birth……

Maybe Frank Marshall Davis–commie, Child molestor–&, Obama's admitted boyhood Hawaii mentor could “straighten” this out…………..


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:09 am

Hey Pete…

No, just poking them in their blind eyes.

I didn’t know that Newhart was the source for the 1,000 monkey thing. Heard it everywhere, but then that would make sense given that it came out years and years before I was born.

What’s the upshot of A’s dirt behind the birthers? Are they space aliens? Do they all live within a 15 mile radius of a power plant? Are they close-minded xenophobic racists who lack critical thinking skills?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:09 am

Hey Pete…

No, just poking them in their blind eyes.

I didn’t know that Newhart was the source for the 1,000 monkey thing. Heard it everywhere, but then that would make sense given that it came out years and years before I was born.

What’s the upshot of A’s dirt behind the birthers? Are they space aliens? Do they all live within a 15 mile radius of a power plant? Are they close-minded xenophobic racists who lack critical thinking skills?


LaofLA
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:11 am

Love it!


christineASSVIN
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:11 am

Well, as the saying goes, repitition is reputation….you hear something enough, you actually think it is true. The birth certificate that is online in NUMEROUS places is real and legit!!!! I know you birthers dont want to believe it, but you have been led like willing sheep into the untruth, and Fox news appreciates it!!!!! There is no “long form” birth certificate…..You were just given an “idea” and ran with it as if it were a fact, when IT IS NOT!!!!!! Please be REASONABLE and realize that if the FBI, the CIA, Mccain OR Hilary could NOT PROVE HE IS NOT A CITIZEN, THAN NEITHER CAN YOU!!!!!!!!!
“The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual… Read More’s birth. Although original birth certificates are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called “long” and “short” forms.
“They're just words,” said spokeswJanice Okubo. (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of HI”


patisok
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:14 am

*In 2001 – the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless.*Paper documents were discarded*The official record of Obama's birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Health Department told the Honolulu Star Bulletin, “At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said. It was scanned in 2001. Many states (if not all) have done this. Go check it out it is not hard to figure out. So much hatred so little time….God help you man. That hate is thick.
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jimpa
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:14 am

President Obama HAS shown his BC.

“The fact he was elected says a lot of how ignorant our population is” Did the fact we elected President George W Bush show how smart or ignorant we are?

“A president who has admitted communists working in the White House, should worry every American.” link?

“Like Hitler, obama can talk convicingly, and make you believe in him.” Did you say the same thing about President Ronald Reagan? I voted for President Reagan and really hated to type his name next to Hilter but I hate to see it next to OUR President as well.

Ok, you don't like our President and YOU are smarter than everyone who voted for him. The odds are greatly against you here.


Buddy2009
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:15 am

Well; one can be a citizen under place of birth and a parent citizenship considerations (usually the father), but to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, one needs to be a US citizen -and- born of two (2) US citizens (as noted and confirmed in the Senate Judicial Committee meeting) and in the Federalist Papers, whereby it is noted the founders were concerned over the potential for a conflicted or divided loyalty (around pages 16-17, I believe). This requirement is unique to the office of the President, as the position is unique as one of the three legs of the republican form of govt. This requirement is not necessary for elgibility as a senator for instance (need only be a citizen, not a NBC… there is a difference.)

In regards to the Hawaiian document, it is a Certificate of Live Birth, not a Certified long form birth certificate. Hawaii is saying it saw a long form birth certificate (but won't release it's basis or documentation) Hawaii gave these things out like flyers, perhaps to jive up it's population firgures for distribution of federal funds based on population. Also note on the Hawaiian document, it states Obama, Jr.'s father is “African” and Barrack H. Obama, I. I then go back to the requirement that one must be born of two (2) US Citizens. Obama, Jr. himself states that Obama, Sr. was his father, who was a citizen of Kenya. Do you understand? To me, and the point I'm making is; I don't care at this time where HE was born, he was't born of two (2) citizens, out of HIS own mouth. (My opinion)


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Old news, but hey, here's some facts for you:

The soldier started posting months ago on Free Republic and other sites that he was going to do the following:

1. Volunteer for activisation from Reserve status to Active duty

2. Deployment for a tour in Afghanistan.

3. Refuse to obey orders to deploy because he's a birther, and doesn't like Obama being CIC.

Keep in mind, he planned to do this months in advance, so he's hardly some poor conscript being forced to go against his wishes.

He's also apparently a gigantic idiot, because:

1. He never had to go, he volunteered.

2. Because he was a reservist who volunteered, he still didn't have to go.

3. He had the option of changing his mind up till the day before deployment.

So, his big gesture was a bunch of BS. All it did was cause a lot of other military people a lot of work they shouldn't have had to do. Orders are not generated and cancelled without work. And, of course, now someone else will go to Afghanistan in his place. Nice way to take your fellow soldiers into account. What an ass.

Nice ironic touch for an ending: the idiot had a day job with the DOD. When he threatened to sue the Army, (which is illegal under the UCMJ, and was just one of his actions for which he could have faced charges), they pulled his security clearence and he lost his day job.

He better hope his dentist/lawyer can get him some speaking gigs.


racerboy
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:22 am

Someone above said that quickly the birthers would even be saying he is a Muslim, Well, you need to read his last book. Reads what he said, in his own words he said if he were forced to choose then he would be a muslim,,,………. that is his own words, whoever is making those statements need to shut up , as he makes it plain where he is at.


racerboy
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:22 am

Someone above said that quickly the birthers would even be saying he is a Muslim, Well, you need to read his last book. Reads what he said, in his own words he said if he were forced to choose then he would be a muslim,,,………. that is his own words, whoever is making those statements need to shut up , as he makes it plain where he is at.


LaofLA
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:23 am

This is treasonous and vile.


Buddy2009
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:23 am

In your mind; in mine it has nothing to do with race. It has to do with qualifying per the U.S. Constitution, the supreme LAW of the land, unless we've become a lawless country. And I repeat, one can not logically, legally nor fairly apply a different standard of eligibility to Obama, Jr. than what was used for McCain. (My Opinion)


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:25 am

yes. now take your meds and off to dream land where you’re a winner…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:25 am

yes. now take your meds and off to dream land where you’re a winner…


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:25 am

The answer is yes,yes,yes, There are anti-government,and white -supremacist groups behind this. I think we have already run into a few. They are using this as a tool to recruit new members. I’m sure the Southern Poverty Law Center and others are following this closely. This is just the boil on the surface, the real puss is down below.


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:25 am

The answer is yes,yes,yes, There are anti-government,and white -supremacist groups behind this. I think we have already run into a few. They are using this as a tool to recruit new members. I’m sure the Southern Poverty Law Center and others are following this closely. This is just the boil on the surface, the real puss is down below.


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:25 am

You can spout shit all day and twice on Sunday if you want, but my freedom of speech grants me the right to say, “Hey, look, a shit spout!”


LaofLA
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:26 am

I think I'm in love. With reason.


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Funny thing, Palin was the source of those Palin rumors.

Did you hear the one about her quitting her job halfway through and then claiming that means she isn't a quitter?

Not even Huffpo could make up stuff as good as that!


Buddy2009
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:27 am

For myself, I want to see a level playing field, nor special considerations for any politicians in Congress or the Presidents office…. ie. like where they exempt themselves from the new and improved health care program, etc. etc. etc. Please don't try and tell me there are not “nuts” in both parties. (My opinion)


Fred Church Ortiz
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Why the compulsion to dehumanize people with freshly-coined labels? You're obviously capable of demonstrating flaws in their reasoning without the peppering of schoolyard level name-calling.

Typical blogger…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:28 am

SIYF,

You may not speak Tuciese. I will translate.

He said: “I have no proof. I don’t need proof. I need to write and then read and re-read things that I think make me sound powerful. Damn it’s cold in here. We’re out of cheese.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:28 am

SIYF,

You may not speak Tuciese. I will translate.

He said: “I have no proof. I don’t need proof. I need to write and then read and re-read things that I think make me sound powerful. Damn it’s cold in here. We’re out of cheese.”


Buddy2009
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:29 am

I agree……….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:34 am

You are not only Uneducated, You’re   Stupid…

President Barack H. Obama is  My and this Nation’s 44Th President

OK

Read & Learn: You who Question President Obama’s Birth Certificate….

Produce your own [Original Birth Certificate]

I said Original Birth Certificate

You
Can’t, because most State’s will give you a [Copy Birth Certificate
With State Seal] and will keep the Original on Record-File in the
Recorders Office.

I know, because I recently Applied for my
Birth Certificate and 30 days later I Received a Copy of My Birth
Certificate, with a State Seal…

Not the Original Birth Certificate.

I then sent a Copy of this Small Miniature Birth Certificate to the US
Passport Office and the US Government sent me my [10 Year US Passport]
——————–

You People are [Low Life Race Hate Mongers]

Mad that this Bi-Racial Man is the President of the USA

Live with it and get On With Your Lives.
——————
He’s Half White..

You A!! Holes !!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:34 am

You are not only Uneducated, You’re   Stupid…

President Barack H. Obama is  My and this Nation’s 44Th President

OK

Read & Learn: You who Question President Obama’s Birth Certificate….

Produce your own [Original Birth Certificate]

I said Original Birth Certificate

You
Can’t, because most State’s will give you a [Copy Birth Certificate
With State Seal] and will keep the Original on Record-File in the
Recorders Office.

I know, because I recently Applied for my
Birth Certificate and 30 days later I Received a Copy of My Birth
Certificate, with a State Seal…

Not the Original Birth Certificate.

I then sent a Copy of this Small Miniature Birth Certificate to the US
Passport Office and the US Government sent me my [10 Year US Passport]
——————–

You People are [Low Life Race Hate Mongers]

Mad that this Bi-Racial Man is the President of the USA

Live with it and get On With Your Lives.
——————
He’s Half White..

You A!! Holes !!!


Buddy2009
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:34 am

I've looked at the document you note. I have a copy of it on file…… read it, it says, “Certificate of Live Birth”. It is NOT a certified long form birth certificate. Make jokes of it if you like…. you are just saying it doesn't matter to you, anymore than the US Constitution does. I have one, you probably have one BUT Obama, Jr. does not? Very, very easy to settle the issue; release the long form birth certificate. Duh.


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:35 am

No, Buddy, no, you do not get to supercede the Constitution by pulling a Senate Judicial Committee meeting and the Federalist papers out of your butt. That might work at Freeper conventions, but it ain't law.

And, yes Hawaii has provided all the documentation – ALL of it. You really need to get past this bizarre sense of entitlement that just because you say you don't believe it, state and Federal Governments have to stop and reprovide what has already been provided.

It will not be delivered to your doorstep. They have already done what they were required to do. You and the rest of the birthers are the only ones refusing to acknowledge it.

But, for points on creativity, I have to give it to you for this piece of balderdash: “Hawaii gave these things out like flyers, perhaps to jive up it's population firgures for distribution of federal funds based on population”

Props to you, that's maximum crap in one short sentence. Of course, you have proof, right?


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:37 am

Whatever. You're like the guys telling nigger jokes and then saying, “What? I'm not racist.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:38 am

Speaking of “the real puss” and anti-government…

Have you seen the bit on one of these threads where the test-taker opines that one “Mrs. Nordyke” got screwed out of her 45 cent birth announcement in a newspaper on the same day Obama was born, and he believes someone didn’t put “Mrs. Nordyke’s” announcement in so that they could use that space to put Obama’s fictitious announcement in?

I feel like I’m watching the northern lights in here. Wacky ideas bouncing all over the horizon on a heretofore unimagined scale, unlimited by human conceptions of possibility, consistency, or rationality.

Except seeing the northern lights didn’t make me want to tie a copy of the Constitution to a jagged rock and throw it at anyone.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:38 am

Speaking of “the real puss” and anti-government…

Have you seen the bit on one of these threads where the test-taker opines that one “Mrs. Nordyke” got screwed out of her 45 cent birth announcement in a newspaper on the same day Obama was born, and he believes someone didn’t put “Mrs. Nordyke’s” announcement in so that they could use that space to put Obama’s fictitious announcement in?

I feel like I’m watching the northern lights in here. Wacky ideas bouncing all over the horizon on a heretofore unimagined scale, unlimited by human conceptions of possibility, consistency, or rationality.

Except seeing the northern lights didn’t make me want to tie a copy of the Constitution to a jagged rock and throw it at anyone.


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:38 am

SIYF and Stephenperry,

I also speak Tuciese.

He also said: The standing joke is that the only amendment of the Bill of Rights is the one I make up in my head. Damn it’s cold in here. Who’s got the damn Snuggie?


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:38 am

SIYF and Stephenperry,

I also speak Tuciese.

He also said: The standing joke is that the only amendment of the Bill of Rights is the one I make up in my head. Damn it’s cold in here. Who’s got the damn Snuggie?


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:40 am

Ahhh, shucks


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:41 am

Hm? There seems to be a number of other posters on this thread who are interested in using this “birth certificate” issue to (figuratively, stevie, just figuratively!) burn your Mombasa Messiah at the stake.

Some seem to hate him for his tiny trace of Negro blood (his father was in large part Arab, and only partially of Luo tribal origin; indeed, both “Barack” and “Hussein” are derived from the Arabic, and American Blacks – who descend from chattel slaves – are ironic in their pride in having elected “one of us” when in fact Barry’s paternal lineage goes back to peoples who were owners of slaves, dealers in slaves, and made plenty of money selling Black slaves to White purchasers). Some are Republicans who hate him sufficiently for being a popular Democrat.

I hate him because he’s a Keynesian socialist who is destroying the American economy. I’m sure I’ll eventually find other reasons, but his determination to “do a Mugabe” on the U.S. dollar is enough to get me pretty sufficiently pissed off.

But I’m no more alone in my enthusiasm for seeing your Blessed Barry into a narrow little room in Leavenworth than you are in your butt-sucking Obamaphile perversion, stevie.

And who is it that finds a “fear of power being exercised upon you in a way you find objectionable” to be “absurd,” stevie?

C’mon, stevie! Fess up. You’re a masochist, right? Leather and handcuffs and those funny whiffleball gags and Vaseline’d vibrators up your tochus while Cleo the Whip Lady welts your flabby ass?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:41 am

Hm? There seems to be a number of other posters on this thread who are interested in using this “birth certificate” issue to (figuratively, stevie, just figuratively!) burn your Mombasa Messiah at the stake.

Some seem to hate him for his tiny trace of Negro blood (his father was in large part Arab, and only partially of Luo tribal origin; indeed, both “Barack” and “Hussein” are derived from the Arabic, and American Blacks – who descend from chattel slaves – are ironic in their pride in having elected “one of us” when in fact Barry’s paternal lineage goes back to peoples who were owners of slaves, dealers in slaves, and made plenty of money selling Black slaves to White purchasers). Some are Republicans who hate him sufficiently for being a popular Democrat.

I hate him because he’s a Keynesian socialist who is destroying the American economy. I’m sure I’ll eventually find other reasons, but his determination to “do a Mugabe” on the U.S. dollar is enough to get me pretty sufficiently pissed off.

But I’m no more alone in my enthusiasm for seeing your Blessed Barry into a narrow little room in Leavenworth than you are in your butt-sucking Obamaphile perversion, stevie.

And who is it that finds a “fear of power being exercised upon you in a way you find objectionable” to be “absurd,” stevie?

C’mon, stevie! Fess up. You’re a masochist, right? Leather and handcuffs and those funny whiffleball gags and Vaseline’d vibrators up your tochus while Cleo the Whip Lady welts your flabby ass?


captainsteve
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:41 am

don't be a moron. obummer wrote in his book “dreams” that he found his birth cert. he has it. let's see it. what's the kenyan got to hide?

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!


sbark
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:42 am

So, you in your worship of Obama—are saying for 50 years Hawaii did not issue any Long Form Certified Birth Certificates…….Lets talk lack of IQ

Just show the Long form B.cert…….

Obama showed his duece high hand with the recent Military lawsuit case—

His only bluff is 53 million Liberal worshipers of a perceived messiah—-who should not be allowed out in public without a teleprompter.


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:43 am

They are like toddlers, with short term memory loss.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:44 am

Problem is, christine, that the “birth certificate that is online” is not a birth certificate (or even a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth) but rather a couple of computer graphic images of what is supposed to be such a COLB, allegedly uttered in 2007, and those images show a helluva lot of signs that they're cobbled-together Frankenstein monsters of fraudulence.

So if there really is a COLB for your Mombasa Messiah – from which those images were purportedly scanned back in June 2008 – where is it? Why hasn't it been brought forth and put into the hands of a panel of competent and impartial forensic documents examiners who are prepared to attest under oath as to its contents and provenance?

And, while we're at it, how come your beloved Barry is still keeping everything else in his past, including his academic records from Kindergarten through Law School and his medical records in Kenya –

(( “Warning, Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!” ))

- so tightly “under seal”?


LiberalJesus
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:46 am

Youre just stupid!


christineASSVIN
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:48 am

Really? Really? I have to ask twice because AAAALLLLL this stuff you bring up is EASILY found on snopes, factcheck and politifact……some of this, like the school records started as an April Fools joke…..congrats!!!!!!! You fell for it!!!!!

BTW, I work in a newsroom affiliated with Fox. Trust me, although I know you wont, this is all fodder for the fools and it gets ratings.

No warning necessary, unless you count the voices in your head as legit.


captainsteve
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:48 am

are you high? who other than an idiot would trust an easily forgable online document?

don't be a moron. obummer wrote in his book “dreams” that he found his birth cert. he has it. let's see it. what's the kenyan got to hide?

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!


LiberalJesus
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:50 am

Youre just stupid!


name1964
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:54 am

so if he not a natural born citizen why is he president he should be kick out of office


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:54 am

Christ on a cracker, are you impaired in some way? Or do you just write without reading anything you don't already agree with?

What doesn't matter to me is your convoluted attempts to weasel out of the obvious:

His original BC was scanned into computers – and not just his; everybody in the entire state. BECAUSE THAT WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW. It isn't any more complicated than that. I know you want it to be, because you want to believe the black man is ineligible for the office. Too bad.

And my BC, which I have had for decades, does not have all the info you birthers are demanding. So, I guess nobody from Michigan better try and be pres., right? Might be some damn Canadian trying to sneak in.

“Very, very easy to settle the issue; release the long form birth certificate. Duh.”

No, you want to settle it easy? get off your freeper sites, do the REAL research,find the truth and give it up – he


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:55 am

Nah. I've checked out “snopes, factcheck and politifact,” and what's there doesn't rise above the level of “Bow down and worship Him, the Messiah come to save us all from working for a living!”

You got links to that crap, christine? Doesn't cost more than a little time and an extra tab on the browser to check it out again, I suppose.

So you claim to “work in a newsroom affiliated with Fox.” That's nice. And “On the Internet, nobody can tell you're a dog.”

Sheesh. Obamaphiles. “Hire the handicapped.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:56 am

Does everyone accidentally believe in an idiotic racist conspiracy theory now & then, as well?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:56 am

Does everyone accidentally believe in an idiotic racist conspiracy theory now & then, as well?


roooth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:59 am

They don't want to know, they really don't. They're just thrilled to have someone on the TV help them believe they love their country more than they hate darkies.

“Mombasa Messiah” – yeah, no racism, nope, just deep concerns on Constitutional issues. Riiiiiiigghht.

I'm outta here, got to go wash the stink of racists off.


christineASSVIN
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:59 am

Yeah, those pesky facts are a nuisance, aren't they? They get in the way of believing what you wish were true…….

You just continue being spoon fed the BS, k….you seem to be good at that!!!!

“Baaaahhh”


captainsteve
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:00 am

It's “you're,” stupid! Crawl back into your hole.


Jack
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:01 am

These “birthers” and their convoluted arguments are further proof of the deplorable state of American education – still too dependent on rote learning and unable to reason LOGICALLY since it is much easier to SUCCUMB TO IDEOLOGY….


musicmomma3
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:02 am

If the birth certificate issue will make the “birthers” look rather idiotic and foolish, then let the long form Certificate of Live Birth with the time, date, Hospital name, birth weight and infants height in inches, doctors name and signature be shown to the public. Simple as that. Put them all to rest.
If it is in the Department of Hawaii Vital Records…. Just have it produced by BHO. The form that was submitted is a legal form but, does not have all the vital information which will quell any doubts because it is given for babies who were not born in Hawaii either. Therein lies the problem.


name1964
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:02 am

the consitiution says the president has to be born to natural born citizens that merning both mother and father has to be born in the USA


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:04 am

annjiea,

your comments were well said and very, very true, however, where it gets weird is that you’ve made the assumption that he is referring to ALL white people. He is obviously angered by the comments of Burl Von Tran and others who are on here talking about white power. He is obviously in a lot of pain and expressing his anger but he is clearly saying all “white assholes” not all white people. He is responding to the hatred. He didn’t start it, yet it is his post that you find racist.


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:04 am

annjiea,

your comments were well said and very, very true, however, where it gets weird is that you’ve made the assumption that he is referring to ALL white people. He is obviously angered by the comments of Burl Von Tran and others who are on here talking about white power. He is obviously in a lot of pain and expressing his anger but he is clearly saying all “white assholes” not all white people. He is responding to the hatred. He didn’t start it, yet it is his post that you find racist.


buds
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:04 am

Obama is making a fool of the American people and enjoying their stupidity daily, his smile and his child like voice has most Americans in a trance.


captlad
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:06 am

If Obama is, indeed, an American citizen, somewhere in Hawaii there should be the original birth certificate. Let's see it. Why are some people content to accept just a certificate of live birth? Americans now deserve to view the real thing. Also, why aren't the records of every hospital in Hawaii searched for the birthing information? Even though it's been a long time ago, those records likely still exist. Who was the doctor or nurse attending the birth? Are they still living? Also, the state must have the original information of birth. Let's see it. Certainly, this is public record when it comes to verifying citizenship of a presidential candidate. And another thing, birth announcements are usually placed in the newspaper by the hospsital. Obama's was placed by his mother. That's out of the norm. Was Obama really born outside the U.S. and the mother wanted him to be a citizen so she covered herself by placing the ad? How long after the birth did the announcement appear? Lots of questions and lazy reporters who apparently don't want to delve into it.


eterio
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:09 am

If there is a smoke there must be a fire OBAMALISM Story.


Jack
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:09 am

“BTW, I work in a newsroom affiliated with Fox.”
Really, Christine? And here I've been thinking all this time that FOX concocted their obfuscations and lies all by themselves!


christineASSVIN
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:10 am

Again…please READ and understand what is being said…..

“The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual. Although original birth certificates are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called “long” and “short” forms.
“They're just words,” said spokeswJanice Okubo. (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of HI”


name1964
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:10 am

people are not sore lossers people elected a person not born in the
usa and he cant show it becuase his fathers was a
usa citizens he should have run for president if you follow the CONSITIUTION he should resign from the office


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[...] David Weigel takes another look at the “Birther” movement which believes that Barack Obama was not born in the United States and is therefor not eligible to be president. He found that the McCain campaign did check into the rumors but found that there was no substantive evidence that Obama was born outside of the United States: A survey of the lawsuits filed against Obama reveals a reliance on widely debunked rumors, bogus stories sourced back to web sites, affidavits from “experts” who refuse to provide credentials or even their real names, and frequent and blatant misunderstandings of basic constitutional law. The dismissal of “birther” lawsuits has allowed conspiracy theorists to believe that the information in those suits is accurate–a belief that manifests itself in the emails, phone calls, and town hall meeting rants that have pushed the theories into the mainstream media and the halls of Congress. [...]


tdog004
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:12 am

Obama is a fake. He doesn't even care about America, only his people. He is a muslim so why should he care? He is trying to destroy America from within.


name1964
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:13 am

read the consitiution both parents have to be born in the USA


kenyanrulesus
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:16 am

nothings been debunked, just cause the “debunkers” ignore information, or hide it. hasn’t released anything but just enough to satisfy his flock, not those with more than 2 brain cells who are not mesmerized by his glowing presence. citing MSM morons who are ignorant of alot of info beyond the party talking points (either party) proves NOTHING, other than your ignorance. crying “race” when there is wrongdoing by someone not white is like calling nazi hunters german haters. When ALL you use is reductio ad absurdum you come across as ridiculous ass a turdium.


kenyanrulesus
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:16 am

nothings been debunked, just cause the “debunkers” ignore information, or hide it. hasn’t released anything but just enough to satisfy his flock, not those with more than 2 brain cells who are not mesmerized by his glowing presence. citing MSM morons who are ignorant of alot of info beyond the party talking points (either party) proves NOTHING, other than your ignorance. crying “race” when there is wrongdoing by someone not white is like calling nazi hunters german haters. When ALL you use is reductio ad absurdum you come across as ridiculous ass a turdium.


musicmomma3
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:17 am

factcheck, snopes and politifact all changed the hospital from Queens Medical center to Kapiolani just after the 4th of July…why??? Why change the hospital of his birth as he had stated all during his campaign?????


name1964
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:21 am

some people should read the CONSTITUTION is says born to natural born citizen that both perents have to be born in the
usa and he said he was born under the kings rule so he wasnt born in the
USA


musicmomma3
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:23 am

My son was born in Fort Dix, New Jersey but I lived in PA. The birth announcement stated boy in Pennsylvania papers.


thebigmouth
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:27 am

Shirley, you have Obama for 31/2 get over it and you may have him 4 more after that because you birthers will help make it happen. Keep it coming and help reelect Obama.


musicmomma3
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:30 am

Neither Queens or Kapiolani hospital in Hawaii has a record for his birth. There has yet to be a doctor or nurse or any staff person to remember the birth. The neighbor who has lived at the same building address given as the residence on the newspaper since 1959 stated that obama's mother never lived there. Surely, she would remember a white woman with her African husband and their newborn son.


KENYANRULESUS
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:31 am

why do u believe they said he was born in Hawaii? THEY DID NOT! Review the transcript. By law, they cannot reveal info on file. They just said they have a document, not what it said.
Also,
Hawaii ALLOWS COLB documents to babies not born in state or Territory (pre statehood):
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
All u need do is tell the state office what you feel like!


KENYANRULESUS
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:31 am

why do u believe they said he was born in Hawaii? THEY DID NOT! Review the transcript. By law, they cannot reveal info on file. They just said they have a document, not what it said.
Also,
Hawaii ALLOWS COLB documents to babies not born in state or Territory (pre statehood):
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
All u need do is tell the state office what you feel like!


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:31 am

You Dumb A!!

My Twin Boys were Born in Atlanta…

My Wife is Japanese and I'm American.

My Sons have Dual Citizenship.

They have Two Passports until age [18]

Its called Dual Citizenship…

Both American & Japanese Passports & Citizenship.

You are [Dumb]

I Bet You nor the Loonies Lying on President Obama, don't have a Passport or your Original 1st Issued SSN or Birth Certificate.

I could not get a Passport if I did not have a SSN and Birth Certificate.

I couldn't get Credit or anything without Birth Certificate & SSN to Match.

Obama has [BOTH]

Move to Canada or Europe…

He's President Of The USA and he is an American Citizen…Period


guest150
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:32 am

Not being a big fan of hard-core democrats or repubs, and not being expert on this matter, sounds like an issue being created by (at best) sore losers from the other political party, or (at worst) racists. My guess is that mainstream republicans would be wise to stay away this crowd. Also seems that dems wouldn't be upset if this crowd stays distracted by this issue for all four years and drags well known conservatives into this noise.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:33 am

Facts? You got facts, christine? You mean, like, unimpeachable (oh, that word!) hard evidence that your Chicago machine politician, Barry Soetoro/Obama/Whatever, the ACORN “community organizer,” really was born in Honolulu instead of Mombasa?

You know, something like a Certification of Live Birth physically presented to competent forensic documents examiners willing to swear as to its real contents and provenance?

Nah. You just continue sucking down Barry's bullpuckey, christine. I'm pretty sure that Barnum underestimated the birth rate among you suckers by at least three or four orders of magnitude.


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:34 am

My Twin Boys were Born in Atlanta…

My Wife is Japanese and I'm American.

My Sons have Dual Citizenship.

They have Two Passports until age [18]

Its called Dual Citizenship…

Meaning: Both American & Japanese Passports & Citizenship.

Some of You are so Damn [Dumb]

Most of You Loonies Lying on President Obama, don't even Possess a Passport or your Original and 1st Issued SSN or Birth Certificate.

I could not get a Passport if I did not have a SSN and Birth Certificate.

I couldn't get Credit or anything without Birth Certificate & SSN to Match.

Obama has [BOTH]

Move to Canada or Europe…

He's President Of The USA and he is an American Citizen…Period


khan47
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:35 am

This comment should be on y tube for all Americans torealize how stupid they are Keep on writing


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:37 am

PLEASE post a link to a site that will translate what you just wrote into English.

Then please tell me what you need me to prove. The President is Barack Hussein Obama. You can see that at whitehouse.gov

You, as with any birther plaintiff in any birther lawsuit, bear the burden of proving that he is not eligible. I will eagerly read your proof. Proof does not mean “I pieced it together, mainly from sugar packets.”

Anything else? I’m happy to help with any good faith question you may have.

And if you keep saying ridiculously absurd bullshit you don’t even mean, I’m going to keep mocking you for doing so.

But then, you no doubt have all sorts of “evidence” and “sources” for what you’re about to demonstrate to me, so you should have nothing to fear.

I won’t mock you if you present facts. You can even make up a few words and forget how to spell a few others. It’s okay. We’re not fancy here.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:37 am

PLEASE post a link to a site that will translate what you just wrote into English.

Then please tell me what you need me to prove. The President is Barack Hussein Obama. You can see that at whitehouse.gov

You, as with any birther plaintiff in any birther lawsuit, bear the burden of proving that he is not eligible. I will eagerly read your proof. Proof does not mean “I pieced it together, mainly from sugar packets.”

Anything else? I’m happy to help with any good faith question you may have.

And if you keep saying ridiculously absurd bullshit you don’t even mean, I’m going to keep mocking you for doing so.

But then, you no doubt have all sorts of “evidence” and “sources” for what you’re about to demonstrate to me, so you should have nothing to fear.

I won’t mock you if you present facts. You can even make up a few words and forget how to spell a few others. It’s okay. We’re not fancy here.


truthseeker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:39 am

That woman you call dirt poor Kenyan happens to be his paternal grandmother! Unless he really is Malcom X's kid.


guidos
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:41 am

everyone will regret electing this guy(i didn`t vote for the messiah).it`s already starting.he is not a natural born citizen.in 4 yrs. he`s going make jimmy carter look like fdr and dick nixon look like honest abe.


truthseeker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:42 am

Please clarify then why would he pay just about a million dollars for legal defense to keep information subdued?


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:42 am

‘this is idiotic, but explain to me why,’”

“After the DNC requested a dismissal of Berg’s lawsuit, he responded in a Sept. 29, 2008 filing that cited numerous Internet rumors and incorrect citations of American and international law. Berg cited “Wikipedia Italian version” and “Rainbow Edition News Letter” as evidence…”

Berg argued that there was “absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained ‘natural born’ status.”
“That’s just completely wrong,” said Mitzi Torri, an Arizona-based immigration lawyer.

Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama, who lives in Kenya, being goaded into saying (through a translator) that the future president was born in Kenya before quickly correcting herself. (A doctored version of this tape, which cuts off before the retraction, is posted on YouTube.)

Another claim: Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, when it was illegal for an American to do so, suggesting that he used a non-American passport. The problem is that there never was any such ban. small PROBLEM for substantiation.

“We have no record of any travel ban between America and Pakistan during that period or since,” said Noel Clay, a spokesman for the State Department.

“We got that from someplace,” Berg told TWI on Thursday. In an email, he added his paralegal was “reviewing” his files on Pakistan. Yet the false claim appears in Orly Taitz’s lawsuit on behalf of perennial presidential candidate Alan Keyes, which argues that Obama visited Pakistan “when entrance to Pakistan was banned to Americans, Christians and Jews,” proof that he gave up his American citizenship. (One might suggest that they got it by pulling it outta someone's ass, you know, like the “THREE KINGS” Iraqi 'Ass Map'?

“Polarik” submitted an affidavit in support Orly Taitz’s Keyes case that is signed “XXXXXXXXXXX,” making it inadmissible. “If it ever comes down to it,” explained Gary Kreep, another lawyer for Keyes, “we’ll use his real name.” (Hello, 'it came down to 'it', and was tossed, ya think THAT might have been a good time to 'come forward'?

Carl Swensson, a conservative activist from Georgia, has organized “Citizens’ Grand Juries” that have indicted the president for treason. Now these boys do have experience in 'organizing' but it's going to be a tough 'sell' when their jurors show up in WHITE SHEETS, not black robes.

Mario Apuzzo, a New Jersey attorney, has sued Obama on the grounds that he never was, and never could be, a “natural born” citizen. Both men pass over precedent for “The Law of Nations,” the 1758 treatise by the 18th century French scholar Emerich de Vattel. “It’s what the founding fathers used,” explained Swensson.

And, these are the same fu*kers that last week were RANTING about Sotomayor wanting to apply 'FUR-IN' law on MUR-icans!! What a difference a week makes, eh?

FULL CIRCLE > ‘this is idiotic, but explain to me why,’”

asked and answered. fu*king retarded racist pond scum (after)'birther' clowns. go home and bang a hog and/or your sister.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:43 am

Let's say it's June 2008. You work in the Obama campaign and people are making real nuisances of themselves by insisting that your Mombasa Messiah has to provide some sort of proof that back in his gadabout prenatal and childhood days, he actually got born somewhere in these United States.

Problem is, you know that he was born in Kenya, which in his mind is one of those “57 states” he mentioned in that speech, but which has not yet been admitted to the Union.

Yeah, he's planning on that, but it's so damned awkward right now….

Okay, so you scan in a Hawaii state Certification of Live Birth. Hell, you scan in two of 'em, one issued one year, the other stamped and sealed in another year. Then you use Photoshop to put together something that looks wonderfully like a real COLB for your Anointed One. A bit of one scan here, something from the other one there, you paste over this with that, and wipe out each entry to write in what you want it to show, and – presto! – Barry's got a “birth certificate”!

You then email the JPG to those suck-ups at DailyKos and the J-school jerkwads at FactCheck, and….

Oh, crap. They want to see a real COLB now?

Stonewall, Mr. President! For the love of Marx, stonewall!


chameleon
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:44 am

Some people really SHOULD read the Constitution. It says nothing at all about two parents. Stop listening to others and go read it with your own eyes.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:45 am

i KNOW you 'tools' don't like to read cuz it hurts those “little brains”, but you're gonna have to START or, we're gonna HAVE to talk 're-education',, ya know, like 'camp' only with concertina wire.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:48 am

Omaar !! THAT'S the 'ticket' !! Tell 'em where to go !!

The 'left' heard that sh*t for the last 8 years: “Love it or Leave it !!

Turn around is 'fair play', but ut's REALLY gotta 'sting'…

SUKS to be you, you betcha! [turn to camera] WINK !


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:49 am

Lets say its June 2008. You work in the Obama campaign and people are making real asses of themselves by being racist morons and arguing that if Obama is winning he couldn't possibly be legitimate because he isn't a white male.

Problem is he is an ACTUAL US citizen and kicking the racist reich wing asses all over the place.

Yeah but facts are just SOOO inconvenient to the lunatic birther fringe.


chameleon
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:50 am

And on the internetz if you say you're a “documents expert”, idiots believe you because you make up what they want to hear. F'rall you know, techdude is snickering in mom's basement about how he did it all for the lulz.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:51 am

you'd THINK someone 45y old would be able to read. where do ya live? i'll make a donation to RIF (reading is fundamental) for the community. there's probably not much hope for you (unless you're 'up' for re-education…?


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:52 am

Nixon's Watergate – Obama's Certifigate

June 17, 1972: Five men, one of whom says he used to work for the CIA, are arrested at 2:30 a.m. trying to bug the offices of the Democratic National Committee at the Watergate hotel and office complex.

August 8, 1974: Richard Nixon becomes the first U.S. president to resign. Vice President Gerald R. Ford assumes the country's highest office. He will later pardon Nixon of all charges related to the Watergate case.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Tuesday, June 16, 2008
Obama committed felony document fraud and posted a false identification document on the Internet.

Just a tad over a year left to oust AKA Obama in less time than it took to take out Nixon.

Monday, March 30, 2009
Somethings coming – Something big! Obama's going down!
The Federal Grand Jury is the 4th Branch of Government -by Leo C. Donofrio, J.D.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/somet…
First Citizens Grand Jury Indictment – Carl Swenson
http://riseupforamerica.com/

Monday, April 13, 2009 Bob Campbell asks for evidence for American Grand Jury – Sam Sewell appointed as National Spokesperson for American Grand Jury
American Grand Jury Evidence Collecting Request
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/ameri…

Tuesday, April 21, 2009
AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!! published by Aristotle the Hun
http://www.thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/a…

Press Release on May 9, 2009 AMERICAN GRAND JURY HANDS DOWN INDICTMENT OF FRAUD AND TREASON AGAINST OBAMA
http://americangrandjury.org/american-grand-jur…

July 20th, 2009 90 days after the Publication of AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!and the formation of GJ and Sam Sewell appointed as spokesperson media coverage on the eligibility issue goes nationwide amidst much scorn and ridicule.

Where are Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein?

This isn't going away until we find out what AKA Obama is hiding and why he is hiding it. It isn't just about the birth certificate.

For those who are looking for a racist motive I would point out that I outed John Kerry with the same resolve and determined research that AKA Obama will be ousted.

Little Acorns and Mighty Oaks
by Sam Sewell
09 June 2005

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article…


r22
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:53 am

Despite the 1,700 well metered words contained in the article above, which present a rationally modulated debunking of the 'birther” conspiracy, the ensuing comments are riddled with the same nutty delusions. This controversy is not about facts, it is about visceral prejudices. No amount of empirical data will change the deeply held bigotry of the complainants. A public revealing of a “long form Certificate of Birth” would only serve as a platform for the next installment of crazy talk from these folk.

The ever expanding neural network of interactive digital information (internet, twitter etc.) allows for the consolidation of groups of people with excessively maladaptive cognitive processes, and the injection of increasingly irrational tendencies into our social fabric. Long term, a continuation of this trend will undermine our capacity to function as an interdependent community of 300 million souls.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:54 am

sack up 'soldier', IF ya think that BS's true what are ya doing sitting at home on the computer? waiting for an invitation? or… are we just 'bitchin' mad, and not fightin' mad?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:58 am

Hey, anything that chaps your Obamaphile ass, rooothie.

Ain't it nice? Run the galvanic current through the fresh frog's leg, and it twitches. No former biology major ever gets tired of triggering predictable responses in specimens of the lower orders.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:00 am

hmmm, let's think (i KNOW it's gonna 'hurt' that 'little brain' but follow me, i'make this simple as i can)

1961 AUG, 48y next month, assume a 'young' doctor of 35-40 (not the old gray haired guy that delivered me) add 40 + 48 = DEAD

simple as i can make it and as for the 'neighbors' your mentioning 50 years in the same addy? and their still alive? yeah, 'THAT'S the ticket. an anon 'neighbor, living at the SAME addy.

wow… WHAT are you guys 'smoking'? it should be banned, if it isn't.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:01 am

“Where are Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein?”

Finding stories with actual FACTS, not the fevered delusions of mentally ill klansmen wannabes like you.


ShawnE
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:01 am

Think about it………Obama is the same age as me, Americans didn't give their children names like BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA back in them days; the parents would never hear the end of it! BTW I STILL HAVE MY ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE…….with ALL the pertinent info!


artmayes167
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:03 am

Hallelujah, brother. You hit that nail square on the head.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:06 am

“Obama is making a fool of the American people…”

a) you tools don't need ANY 'help', you come 'broken' right outta the box

“…enjoying their stupidity daily.,…”

b) believe me, NO ONE is 'enjoying' your aggressively ignorant 'ankle-biting 'you (after)'birther' tool, you.

isn't there some NASCAR or WWF on ?? shoo. git.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:06 am

ROFL are you fucking kidding me?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:07 am

Well, don't blame the nursing or physician staff at either Queens or Kapiolani for having forgotten the occasion of Barry's birth. After all, in 1961 there were tons of babies being born to teen-aged White girls married to big Black men from Kenya.

Oh, sorry. On those wonderful fantasy COLB images the Obamaphiles slobber over, it says that Barry's daddy was “African,” doesn't it?

Y'know. “African” like in “Egyptian” or “Berber” or “Afrikaans.” Yeah, African.

And I'm “North American.” You can read it on my birth certificate.

Oh, darn. No, you can't.

Never mind.


jimpa
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:07 am

Bob Woodward thinks the birthers are nuts.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:11 am

Yes, Barry “is an ACTUAL US citizen” right now.

But – aw, sorry! – it's pretty certain he isn't a “natural born” citizen of these United States. And therefore he's a federal criminal awaiting indictment, prosecution, conviction, and incarceration.

They just haven't busted him yet. But we're working on it, Matty, never you fear.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:19 am

Wow they haven't busted him for crimes he didn't commit? Well gee moron, you've proven that facts and reality were inconsequential to you. I suggest you arm yourself heavily and go running onto the grounds of the White House to take him into custody.

Given your overwhelming evidence, I'm sure once you announce you are armed and looking for POTUS Obama he will surrender.

You really are a mentally ill buffoon. I hope to god you are sterile because someone as dumb as you should not curse the human race with progeny.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:20 am

I'm not a Republican, and I surely don't want those bastards in power, either.

But, hey, this “birth certificate” business is a great way to focus attention upon our Kenyan Keynesian in ways he really doesn't want.

If it's a distraction (to paraquote P.J. O'Rourke), it's like “distracting” a grizzly bear bent upon eating your children.

I don't doubt that the “mainstream” Red Party thieves and rapists want to stay away from this attack upon their Blue Party colleague. They want to get on with bargaining away the rights and property of the citizenry, just as they've always done. Remember, that “mainstream” you're talking about is the central flow of a goddam sewer.

But as it keeps up, more and more otherwise hapless, hopeless, “Oh, Christ, we can't do anything to keep this sonofabitch from killing us off!” folks out there will begin to latch onto the idea that the socialists bronzen idol has very definite feet of clay.

And more of 'em will begin taking up hammers and merrily whaling away at Barry-boy.

'Sall good, bro….


wiszy
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:20 am

Really, So back “in them days” parents were not naming their children after themselves like President Bush did. WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
FYI his dads name was BARACK OBAMA. Keep yourself informed.


jOembrace
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:21 am

thats what makes you a f'in idiot.. please bet ur life on this..


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:21 am

“…somewhere in Hawaii there should be the original birth certificate…”

'072409-023' > that's your re-education number, report to the nearest re-education camp.

it OBVIOUS you can't or just don't want to read, so… we're gonna have to 'fix' that


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:21 am

Hey you inbred motherfucking moron, of COURSE its a computer image. Whats he supposed to do, mail a copy to every single person in the country?

THATS WHAT YOU SEE ONLINE AN IMAGE. Its called a PICTURE you psychotic fool.


jimpa
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:21 am

Shawn – Thanks for your post. I'm going over to my non-citizen, probably socialist, very ex friend Thaddius Zemeneski tomorrow. I was his best man in his wedding and knew him since we were kids and never figure out he wasn't born in the USA. The rat bastard.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:23 am

Well of course he does. But there just isn't enough bandwidth on the entire internet to list every single person who thinks the birthers are nuts.

I just thought Woodword believing the birthers to be nuts went without saying.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:26 am

“mur-cans didn't give their children names like…”

well, maybe not in the fly-over state genetic cesspool you crawled outta, ShawnE

speaking of 'names', you might wanna rethink that 'nic', pardner.how 'gay' is ShawnE , btw? WAYYYY gay.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:27 am

enjoy a cold one', w/that baal worshippiing rat-bastard socialist 'TZ' for me, jimmy


ShawnE
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:29 am

Also, I have another question……..I am an AMERICAN 1st. Why do so many of my racial background persist in calling ourselves AFRICAN AMERICAN? I personally have never been to Africa and I HONESTLY believe a great deal of my brothers and sisters also have never been there. Why can't we just understand,and be thankful,that our peoples have come a long path? Will we never let go? Or will we continue to carry on,instilling in our children,that it is Ok to go through life with hatred,crying racism, bigotry and that we are victims of the white man. As a fact,untill we pull together and accept what WAS, then we will continue to go down the path of HATRED! This, is not what MLK meant by “HAVING A DREAM”!


ShawnE
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:29 am

Also, I have another question……..I am an AMERICAN 1st. Why do so many of my racial background persist in calling ourselves AFRICAN AMERICAN? I personally have never been to Africa and I HONESTLY believe a great deal of my brothers and sisters also have never been there. Why can't we just understand,and be thankful,that our peoples have come a long path? Will we never let go? Or will we continue to carry on,instilling in our children,that it is Ok to go through life with hatred,crying racism, bigotry and that we are victims of the white man. As a fact,untill we pull together and accept what WAS, then we will continue to go down the path of HATRED! This, is not what MLK meant by “HAVING A DREAM”!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:29 am

I quote:

Barack Obama is the pampered pet of Chicago gangsters. He is good buddies with a murderous African dictator. And his wacko leftist academic background evokes memories of the style of sideways thinking that inspired the death marches in Cambodia.

“The man burns to have a private army all his own. During the election campaign, he threatened to create a 'domestic security force' as large and well-funded as the entire U.S. military, just the thing to send door-to-door (as the police attempted in the Chicago projects) searching for privately-owned weapons. Sure enough, the very first item to appear on his website http://www.change.org following the election was a proposal to require 'mandatory community service' — 50 hours a year from junior high school and high school students, 100 hours from those in college — or the individuals in question needn't expect to graduate.

“Over the years, I've made a lot of predictions that have come true. Remember this one: two years from now, even those who supported Barack Obama most enthusiastically will be feeling a certain nostalgia about George W. Bush and secretly wishing they'd voted for John McCain.
Yeah, I know, disgusting. But that's the way the world works. Nobody alive today would willingly admit to voting for Adolf Hitler, although the third or fourth worst mass-murderer in history (behind Mao Tse Tung, Joseph Stalin, and, on a per capita basis, Pol Pot) won by a landslide. Once the outrages to come have ended and there are thousands — perhaps even millions — of Obama's crimes to account for, would you want to admit to having voted to make those crimes possible?

– L. Neil Smith, “Only Nixon,” November 9, 2008


jimpa
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:30 am

After reading AristotleTheHun post, nothing goes without saying.


truthseeker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Anybody see what is happening to this country??? He has refused to show any records..Why?
Obama's unwillingness to allow the American public to see his records at Harvard Law School prevents resolution of a continuing controversy over whether radical Islamic influences promoted his admission and financed his legal education there.
Harlem lawyer Percy Sutton – whose clients included Malcolm X – explained that Islamic radical Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour, “one of the world's wealthiest men,” asked him to write a letter of recommendation to Harvard Law School for then relatively unknown Barack Obama. Who was that man who paid for his tuition? Probably the Saudi prince as al-Mansour was the adviser to the world's riches man.
The reason so many try to debunk the controversies surrounding obama is because he has allowed it (don't address the real issues)…. part of the Alinsky method he taught. “Keep them guessing” and then attack. Strategies are make conflict, panic , hit them with a hail storm of brutal tactics. Ridicule is the most potent weapon. Keep up the pressure. Keep the opposition off balance . “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it”. Go after people not institutions…people hurt faster cut off the support network. And…. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule.
Like the comment of the police acting “stupidly”.


andy c
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:32 am

That looks pretty ironclad to me. You tell 'em Shawn. We know all Kenyan father names their sons Shawn back then. P.S. I knew something was funny about that Spiro Agnew guy.


rogerrramjet
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:33 am

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh God HUN that was HIGHlarious….I am just wiping the tears away.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Kevin
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:34 am

You know, the birthers HAVE to be right!!!! You got what the FBI, CIA, Mccain AND Hillary missed!!!!! How can the rest of us not have known that he is not a true American citizen? You clearly know more than they do……yes?
If that statement sounds true to you, please slap yourself and wake up!!!! Ya lost and have nothing against this prez other than your southern and you disagree with his views!


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Your Messiah [George W.Bush]

Left this Country 17 Trillion Dollars in Debt.

Talk about [Generational Debt] !!

Borrowing 20 Billion Dollars per month from [Communist-Socialist China] with Interest for the Past 6 1/2 Years and the Iraq War was not Needed or Wanted…

Iraq War: Over 4,000 Good Men and Women [Killed]

Thousands [Permanently Injured]

Hundreds [Suicide] &

Soldiers Self Injurying themselves via Inflicting Injuries.

———————–
911: It happened on Bush-Cheney's Watch, while Bush was in Texas & Cheney Hid in the Washington Basement.

He's a far better Messiah, than the 8 Year Demon Tag Team of Bush-Cheney

They did not “Keep Us Safe” Contrary to the Republican Cry.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:38 am

Where are Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein?”

Washington DC and, imagine that, neither/nor clamoring over you (after)'birthers' for the 'scoop' of the century… hmmm MUST be 'off their game' or worse…collaborators, yeah THAT'S the ticket!!

'Aristotle” are you fu*king KIDDING me?! yeah, SURE, uh-huh an (after)'birther' tool that probably don't even have the sense to ome in outta the rain, evoking ” one of the most important founding figures in Western philosophy.

perhaps, you're thinking more along the lines of him being greek and taking it in the ass from you hun buddies? Now, THAT'S believable.


Army Vet
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 8:39 am

The answer is simple, we don’t respond to Anti-American sellouts like you. We real Americans prefer not to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed moron. Your day is coming and it won’t be pretty, now crawl back into your hole and pray your not found. One other thing genius, learn how to spell, it’s BIRTHER but you’d have to have been born to know that! Funny I have no problem spelling OBOT!


Army Vet
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 8:39 am

The answer is simple, we don’t respond to Anti-American sellouts like you. We real Americans prefer not to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed moron. Your day is coming and it won’t be pretty, now crawl back into your hole and pray your not found. One other thing genius, learn how to spell, it’s BIRTHER but you’d have to have been born to know that! Funny I have no problem spelling OBOT!


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:39 am

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/expos…


Solange
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:39 am

You are making too much sense Kennethetucker, you know they dont speak that language lol. Seriously though, I have never been so ashamed to live in this country as I am since this whole election. I had no idea how many ignorant bitter people we have surrounding us :(


uniquelyme
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:40 am

That's it, you got it! That's proof positive that he's not a U.S. citizen — NOBODY named their kid Barack back then. Absolutely EVERY single American kid was named Tom, Dick, and Harry, no exceptions. Clear proof that he's not a citizen, hands down.

ROFLMAO!!!!! OMG, did you just come down to Earth today? BWHAHAHAHAHA!


SuperNig6
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:40 am

SuperNig….whoever you are,talking $hit small boy!lucky you are far off…i would have bLown off your $kull for talking $hit to africans,a$$hole! SuperNig SuperNig be careful,$hit whiteheads.


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:41 am

As a True Patriot and not some Liberal media sheep, I just wantto say this: there is no “evidence” you liberals can make up that will ever convince us.

The very size of this conspiracy proves its existence! Wake up people! They've taken over the federal gov't, the state dept, the Republican director of Hawaii Dept of Health, McCain and Palin (God bless them), even librarians! They got to all the Supreme Court justices – even Scalia! And don't get me started about the MEDIA!

There is only one conspiracy evil and vast enough to pull this off. Will a TRUE AMERICAN step up and say it here, please?!?


Buddy2009
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:42 am

In response to “chameleon”, earlier post: The writers of the Constitution defined “natural born citizen” clearly as those born of two US citizen parents and “subject to the jurisdiction” of the US. In their writings at the time of the Constitution's formulation, they went on to say that “subject to the jurisdiction” meant “complete jurisdiction” with the person at birth having no allegiance to any other country. They stated it was their intent to allow into the presidency no one with foreign influence. There would be no logical reason for our founders to explain their concern over potential dual citizenship, or potential conflicts of allegiance unless they specified both (2) parents were to be of US Citizenship. Obama, Jr. was not born of two (2) US Citizens, ergo… Obama, Jr. would not be eligible for POTUS. I don't think, certainly hope that can not be lawyed up.

And as noted; to have the Senate Judicial Committee (Chaired by a democrat) use a standard and/or definition incorrect or wrong (and by both the Chair and the Sec. as noted following) of the term Natural Born Citizen is not plausible for me. However, I will research the source you give. I certainly consider the following a precedent if nothing else, but thank you for the reference to look at.

NOTE: Items reference Resolution 511 (Mc Cains Eligibility for POTUS), Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, April 2, 2008 (quotes in part); Chairman Leahy asks Sec. Chertoff, Dept. of Homeland Security, “Do you have any doubt in your mind -I mean, I have none in mine. Do you have any doubt in your mind that he is constitutionally eligible to become President?” (This is in reference to a vetting of Sen. John Mc Cain’s eligibility.) Secretary Chertoff replies, “ My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural born American citizen.” (note; parents is plural) Chairman Lehey, “That is mine too. Thank you.”

President Obama, Jr. should not be held to a lesser standard. (In my opinion.)


alcameron
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:43 am

Wow!!!!! Another bunch of sore losing repubs. and racists allowed to voice their hate based opinons on a blog. Grow up and get a life!!!!


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:43 am

My Twin Boys were Born in Atlanta…

My Wife is Japanese and I'm American.

My Sons have Dual Citizenship.

They have Two Passports until age [18]

Its called Dual Citizenship…

Meaning: Both American & Japanese Passports & Citizenship.

Some of You are so Damn [Dumb]

Most of You Loonies Lying on President Obama, don't even Possess a Passport or your Original and 1st Issued SSN or Birth Certificate.

I could not get a Passport if I did not have a SSN and Birth Certificate.

I couldn't get Credit or anything without Birth Certificate & SSN to Match.

Obama has [BOTH]

Move to Canada or Europe…

He's President Of The USA and he is an American Citizen…Period


jn2222
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Next the birthers will be saying Obama is an alien from another planet and we have proof of it and some idiot who's been in the sun too long drinking well water is going to believe it and join the organization. Something has got to be done about our education system in this country!!


rogerrramjet
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:46 am

OH PUHLEEZE THAT is what you link to?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Lord the laughs just keep coming.


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:46 am

White Christian Patriots made this country!!!!! And everything of value in it!!!!! The Railroads, the textile industry, the manual labor force, all the truly AMERICAN music. And we get nothing but grief from all these third world ethnic types who think about nothing other than destroying us. We will never surrender this country!!!!! That's what guns and rope are for. Remember that, brothers.


SuperNig6
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:48 am

we african hate all $hit headwhite assholes….we are different,we can never be 1…all the stolen treasures and slavery our ancestors went through wont be ever forgotten.does your white skin makes you smart?a$$holes.


bocephusjosephus
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:49 am

Forget all this legal mumbo-jumbo… Berg and Swensson are just a pair of clown shoes.
You see, I've got this all worked out on the back of a bar napkin.
Now, I've spilled a little drink on it and parts are kind of blurred, but it is all worked out with mathematical precision down to the last decimal.
And, it is a bit easier to read using an empty liquor bottle as a microscope.


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:50 am

Can I get an AMEN, brothers? Help ne stand up to these Liberal America Haters!


SuperNig6
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:50 am

Burl Von Tran….nazist a$$hole,we we we! you just nagging,what did you personally contributed to the growth of the United States?little pighead


jn2222
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:51 am

I think Chris Matthews put the issue to rest the other night on Hardball, even though it was settled 2 years ago already. I don't think seeing and feeling the birth certificate is enough for these conspiracy nuts though; kind of like the guys spending hours with the binoculars at military complexes looking for spaceships and little green men with telepathic powers only to be told they'd been staring at an airport for years…guess it takes all kinds; just glad those kind aren't in my neighborhood. We have mental facilities to help them here.


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:53 am

You who Question President Obama's Birth Certificate….

Produce your own [Original Birth Certificate]

I said Original Birth Certificate

You Can't, because most State's will give you a [Copy Birth Certificate With State Seal] and will keep the Original on Record-File in the Recorders Office.

I know, because I recently Applied for my Birth Certificate and 30 days later I Received My Copy of My Birth Certificate, with a State Seal…

Not the Original Birth Certificate.

I then sent a Copy of this Small Miniature Birth Certificate to the US Passport Office and the US Government sent me my [10 Year US Passport]
——————–

You People are [Low Life Race Hate Mongers]

Mad that this Bi-Racial Man is the President of the USA

Live with it and get On With Your Lives.
——————
He's Half White..

You A!! Holes !!!


SuperNig6
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:53 am

white patriots,,,,is Bon Von Tan a white patriot?when how what time?a$$hole! why did those sh''t heads white patriot ventured into africa to steal and oppress the less priviledged.patriot my a$$. Amen to THIS


Patrick Henry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:53 am

Another junk article by a so-called journalist who lacks credibility on this subject. Mr. Weigel doesn't apparently know the difference between a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth and a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. The latter isn't adequate to obtain a passport according to the State Department, let alone prove Constitutional eligibility on its own.

Due diligence, Mr. Weigel. Due diligence. It does not impress when you prejudge the subject matter without knowing the facts.


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:55 am

The only conspiracy big enough to pull this off needs to me named! The Round Earth Conspiracy is the conspiracy so large most minds can't even percieve it! Satan created it to pervert people away from true Biblical thinking and Obama HEUSSANE Obama is its leader! There. I said what we've all felt in our hearts but were afraid to say. BIRTHERS FOREVER!!!!


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:57 am

Borderline Bull-Spit


jn2222
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:57 am

FU#K the shade of people's skin!!! Only a moron of very little intelligence could rationalize that that even matters! I am white and I am embarrassed and ashamed of you white supremists; you're the scum of the earth and so were your ancestors; you should have all been killed when Hitler went down. I don't know if it's the water youre drinking or you do drugs or your fathers beat the crap out of you and hurt your brain cells; but there is something VERY faulty with your logic and thinking process. Do this country a favor and go seek some psychiatric counseling; you are not well.


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:58 am

So you (partly) agree? finally, a brave and reasonable real man in this den of Liberals!


bocephusjosephus
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:59 am

I've got a US Passport and I have neither a Certificate of Birth or a Certification of Birth… but it didn't stop me from getting the original passport, or getting a renewal after 9-11.
Boy howdy, can you figure out how I did that?


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Translation: Any Person, as long as it's a White Person.

Whites only in My White House.

George W. Bush is a [Christian] Ha !!

Dick Cheney: Kept us Safe [Bull-Spit]

Whites are the Only True Christians [Ha !!]

Jesus is White, so that means Whites are Perfect and all other races are our [Subjects]

Other Races are Never to Control in True Power Positions, Especially the US Presidency.

Keep Living in that [LaLa Land]


jn2222
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Did you see the video of the morons in Delaware spewing the garbarge from the birther's pew? It would have been hilarious had it not been so sad. The audience was obviously drunk or had no teeth; not sure which; but they were so pathetic. EVERYTHING to them is a conspiracy. They are the most paranoid, unread, uninformed, angry, illogical, rascist group I have ever seen gathered in a group in recent times; except for the rioters at the Palin conventions…lol


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:02 am

“Another junk article…” Full of all kinda 'words' and such. What a waste of time, eh?

Shoo, GIT. Isn't there some wrestling or a NASCAR rerun on? Repo guys? don't run the risk of reading anything, (after)'birther' tool. you go now.


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:03 am

Translation: Any Person, as long as it's a White Person.

Whites only in My White House.

George W. Bush is a [Christian] Ha !!

Dick Cheney: Kept us Safe [Bull-Spit]

Whites are the Only True Christians [Ha !!]

Jesus is White, so that means Whites are Perfect and all other races are our [Subjects]

Other Races are Never to Control in True Power Positions, Especially the US Presidency.

Keep Living in that [LaLa Land]


jn2222
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:03 am

Next the birthers are going to tell us that the earth is flat and that the scientists have it all wrong. And some moron with no teeth and a sixpack for a brain is going to believe it. C'mon guys, read a little! A newspaper doesn't cost that much.


deborafarrin
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:03 am

I believe that as an American taxpaying citizen that in the best interests of our country we should put into law the financial penalties that those who are wasting our time filing frivolous lawsuits and in general acting like a bunch of gossipy children, be extremely stiff in monetary values. If these people are honest in their beliefs and have followed thru on the process of proving their statements then file your objections and/ or state your mind publicly but be forwarned that a lack of positive proof(conjecture) will indeed be costly to those that file lawsuits without the documented proof that a law has been broken. As a grown up I am truly dismayed at some of us who put an outstanding education to such a wasteful purpose.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:05 am

i recommend getting on the 'Baam', w/Jim. Clear glass and good optics.


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:05 am

jn2222, I am white and I am embarrassed and ashamed of you, race traitor. Let's drop the pretenses about legal mumbo jumbo. The great nation of America cannot have a negro president. It's impossible and unacceptable. We have fought too hard and too long for the good people, the White Christian Patriots who made this the greatest country in the Universe, to hand it over to a bunch of n****rs.

Praise the Lord's name and deliver us from these Round Earthers!


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:06 am

You who Question President Obama's Birth Certificate….

Produce your own [Original Birth Certificate]

I said Original Birth Certificate

You Can't, because most State's will give you a [Copy Birth Certificate With State Seal] and will keep the Original on Record-File in the Recorders Office.

I know, because I recently Applied for my Birth Certificate and 30 days later I Received My Copy of My Birth Certificate, with a State Seal…

Not the Original Birth Certificate.

I then sent a Copy of this Small Miniature Birth Certificate to the US Passport Office and the US Government sent me my [10 Year US Passport]
——————–

You People are [Low Life Race Hate Mongers]

Mad that this Bi-Racial Man is the President of the USA

Live with it and get On With Your Lives.
——————
He's Half White..

You A!! Holes !!!


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:07 am

This comes to show you just hard pressed some people are are to find any “dirt” or anyone. President Obama had a different name at birth because he changed it after chaging his religon, ie; Cat Stevens. This is one of America's fundimental rights. All of us except native American Indians have links to other nations and if the thats the case then ONLY native Indians can be President, if you go by some of these comments. Get a life, job, hobbie, or something, he's President, period.


n2diy
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:08 am

Amen cousin.


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Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:10 am

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Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:14 am

Moreover, everyone knows Hawaii isn't really a state. Therefore Hawaiians aren't Americans – which anyone with a brain can tell just by looking at them.


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:17 am

Ken, thank you so much for your support. It seems I'm the only sane one left here defending our good cause. I just pray some of these people read the site and get illuminated and made righteous.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:20 am

there are 'others'… bvt we'll 'talk'.


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:24 am

Burl Van Trans….Your right we should give it back to who it belongs to….the Native Indian. The ” White Man” was the one that took it away from them. Then they chained up a bunch of people from another nation to bring them here because they were to LAZY to do the work themselves. After which they proclaimed themselves to be the best only to hide under white sheets. Yep that sounds just about right.


KYJurisDoctor
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:26 am

There are IDIOTS everywhere you look. *SIGH*


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:28 am

I think you misunderstand the whole Birther Movement. That the opposite of what I'm saying.


rc_1849
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:29 am

It's generations of inbreeding!


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:30 am

I know exactly how you feel. Why, Lord, aren't more Americans patriotic enough to see the TRUTH?


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:30 am

Can you please show me where the LEGITIMATE Hawaiian birth certificate is? And if it has been produced, why has Obama spent money on attorney fees to keep it from being made public?

Obama’s Presidential Eligibility: What You Need to Know

Mostly facts and very little rhetoric, all properly cited. This is how research should be done.
Now what will the Obot PSYOPS agents do?

Let me Guess; ridicule, name calling, personal attacks and changing the subject.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6216

Somehow, you know its coming. That OMG moment is just around the corner. You can feel the inescapable reality creeping up on you. Something will leak. Someone will spill the beans.

“For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.” Luke 8:17

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o…


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:31 am

'nom' erroné,, 'pat' should change it to Benedict Arnold. and, thanks to the illegal wire tap tools and still in existence dark rendition holes in europe so asia, left behind for McSame by Bush/Cheney oopsie…

perhaps, you treasonous (after)'birthers' will FINALLY regret NOT speaking up when those criminals were shredding the constitution.


macetmac
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:31 am

If you are a Christian, you can't be serious about what you've been writing. Being white doesn't make you a Christian. Only your relationship with Jesus does. Yell to the top of your lungs if you want. It doesn't matter, if you haven't asked Jesus to be your lord and savior…and allowed Him to change your heart, you will burn in the Lake of Fire. All of this hate that you spew out doesn't speak of the character of Christ.
btw…Jesus was Jewish…middleeastern, not white or of any European descent. He didn't look like the painting you've seen. You make me feel like I should point that out to you.


Kevin
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:31 am

Wow……I love it when the haters prove the point.


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:35 am

Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord!

Another White Christian Patriot! Thanks for speaking up, Aristotle!


macetmac
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:36 am

100% correct!!


macetmac
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:39 am

The difference between you and Aristotle is, he's not talking out of his butt.


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:40 am

AristotleTheHun, I just read the first article. Very impressive (but I was already a True Believer)! Please tell the people that Barack Heussane Obama is teh ANTICHRIST!


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:47 am

You sad, sad relic dinosaur. The world is moving on without you and your old, tired, scared, self-hating addiction to skin color. PLEASE do us all a favor and get some education and get some counseling. The “great nation of America” was not built by White Christian Patriots, you silly person. And many of the White, educated people that I know are so totally embarrased by people like you who claim to speak for all Whites!!! All you are doing is spreading hatred, ignorance and boring, old, rehashed b*******t. And the word n****r has lost its power. You'll have to come up with some other stupid word!!


Burl Von Tran
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:47 am

We both are. He just doesn't know it.


realist
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:50 am

“Mostly facts and very little rhetoric, all properly cited. This is how research should be done.”

You should try that sometime.


geniemaker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:53 am

This story is all well and good (for nothing). Why will the POTUS, to this day, not put these “rumors” to rest by just unsealing his real birth certificate (not the certification of live birth on his website), school, medical and passport records? The claim “There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance.” means absolutely nothing. Ever hear of Photoshop?
Until such time as his records are unsealed (McCain's medical records were somewhere in the range of 1K), people are going to insist: WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:56 am

You must realize that these are the other type of “Christians ” that we have in this country. their numbers are growing and aims are treacherous. They have one thing in their hearts, hate.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:56 am

c'mon people — a couple posters here are sarcastically making fun of the birther lunatics. look just a little harder and you'll spot them.

although the real birthers give the satirists a real run for their money…


annjiea
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:57 am

SuperNig6 Now who is the racist? First I am white and my ancestors came over here long after slavery was abolished, and are settled in the North. Second many white men also spilled their blood on the battlefield for the just cause of abolishing slavery. Not every white man owned slaves or agreed with slavery, and not every black man is going to hit you over the head in a dark alley. Stereotypes suck don't they?

You were never a slave, and I was not raised a privleged little white girl with everything handed to me. I had nothing and was not given a higher education. I am a high school graduate, and self educated after that. Does your black skin entitle you to be racist? You are the asshole. Look at people as individuals.


geniemaker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:57 am

You mean you don't know the difference between a certificate of live birth and a real birth certificate?


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:00 am

to all the *real* birthers:

why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?

why do you believe other state officials are lying?

why do you believe hospital officials are lying?

why do you believe mccain and his staff — including running mate palin — are lying?

why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?

why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?

why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:02 am

It's still hard to believe that there are still people out there with this warped idea on how everything should be run. Is there some reason that we can't just like eachother for who/what we are, everybody is different from anybody eles. Just remember that Jesus was born in the arab area and therefor NOT white.


geniemaker
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:02 am

Nope. I think you're fibbing to us.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:04 am

bigred,

that's a good point but, unfortunately, some white 'christians' would shoot you for saying that.


Name
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:05 am

My, my you are quite the scary freak!!!!!! Good grief you're disturbing!


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:07 am

Just shows you why they have to hide under white sheets, if you believe something strong enough don't hide unless you are ashamed of it.


jimpa
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:10 am

“Until such time as his records are unsealed (McCain's medical records were somewhere in the range of 1K), people are going to insist: WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?”
The BC was shown to the media. All who seen it say it was legit.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/rick-s…

The birthers will always see a fake BC.
I can hear it now. If President Obama was a citizen, why would Rush say he isn't.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:11 am

i'll say amen to that.


naturalbornuscitizen
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:12 am

why has obama spent almost $1,000,000.00 on lawyers and legal fees ?
just to fight the lawsuits and cases against him.

why dont he just produce the goods? and put an end to it?
ya know why? cause he does not have one.
anyone who spends a million bucks to keep his long form birth certificate hidden. obviously has none.

funny thing is, i have mine in the file cabnet right next to me. wheres yours obama?
IS THE INK STILL DRYING ON YOUR FRESH FORGERY?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:14 am

Under a properly functioning civil government, red, there's no need for us to “just like each other for who/what we are.”

We can just live together in peace, nobody plundering, enslaving, or ramming his ideas down his neighbor's throats by way of government power grown malignantly out of its proper role.

Once you get it through your head that in a representative republic such as ours, the officers of civil government aren't supposed to play Santa Claus, or to pick winners in the economy, or provide “health care,” or even print the damned currency (they're charged with guaranteeing its value – preventing counterfeiting or the equivalent of check-kiting, not “regulating” the value of the dollar to the point that it's not worth the amount of copper that used to be struck into a hundred pennies).

Government as an institution has limitations in what it can do and in what it should do in order to keep our society from devolving into “state of nature” chaos. The Founders struggled with that problem, and came up with the Constitution.

Which wasn't perfect, God knows – but it beats the hell out of what we're living under right now.

You want the solution to this and most of the rest of the messes in which you find yourself?

Okay. You pitch in with the rest of us and demand that the Constitution – especially those first ten Amendments making up the Bill of Rights – gets enforced.

Ram it right down Barry's throat. Ram it right down the throats of Nancy and Harry and Chris and Barney. Ram it right up Bernanke's butt, and beat ACORN to death with it.

Get the Constitution firmly in mind, red, and use it the way Jefferson spoke of it.

Bind them down from their mischief with the chains of the Constitution.


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:15 am

Read & Learn: You who Question President Obama's Birth Certificate….

Produce your own [Original Birth Certificate]

I said Original Birth Certificate

You
Can't, because most State's will give you a [Copy Birth Certificate
With State Seal] and will keep the Original on Record-File in the
Recorders Office.

I know, because I recently Applied for my
Birth Certificate and 30 days later I Received My Copy of My Birth
Certificate, with a State Seal…

Not the Original Birth Certificate.

I
then sent a Copy of this Small Miniature Birth Certificate to the US
Passport Office and the US Government sent me my [10 Year US Passport]
——————–

You People are [Low Life Race Hate Mongers]

Mad that this Bi-Racial Man is the President of the USA

Live with it and get On With Your Lives.
——————
He's Half White..

You A!! Holes !!!


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:15 am

hey dummy,

he did show it. reading is your friend.

where's your source for that dollar amount or did you pull it out of your a$$?

have you seen anyone else's birth certificate?

why do you insist on seeing obama's?

and i see you didn't answer my earlier questions, so i'll repost them for you here:

why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?

why do you believe other state officials are lying?

why do you believe hospital officials are lying?

why do you believe mccain and his staff — including running mate palin — are lying?

why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?

why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?

why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:16 am

“Ever hear of Photoshop?”

Oh. Okay. You mean that the actual newspaper doesn't say that, but because of Photoshop, they doctored it? All right.

That leaves two possibilities.

Either the Obama co-conspirators also went house to house and business to business, searching everyone on Earth's attic and basement for the odd chance that there was a 40-some-odd year old (depending on when the search was done) Hawaiian 1961 newspaper out there, and burning each one that they found, or,

Someone out there is in possession of a Hawaiian newspaper from 1961 that could soon be worth millions of dollars to the owner.

Because even if someone Photoshops what they show you online, there's gotta be an original somewhere. And if you're right, that newspaper won''t show Barack Obama's birth. And that's an awfully big chance to take, if you're Obama. Or Obama's mom. Or any of the dozens of high-ranking people on both sides of the aisle who would have to be in on this conspiracy.

Ever hear of reality? It's safe. Come on in.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:19 am

tuckus,

wow — you have issues. get some help, man.

how exactly are the constitution and the bill of rights not being enforced?

please be specific.

i bet you're one of these geniuses who calls obama a socialist and a fascist at the same time. do you realize how utterly clueless that is?


Futuresight.
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:19 am

The right-wing “Birthers” are just as whacked as the left-wing 9/11 conspiracy theorists who said George Bush planned or knew about the attacks. There are whacked nutjobs in both political wings.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to get bent on what both George Bush and Barak Hussein Obama have done/doing. Congressional leaders have skated by unharmed on these distractions as well. They are more worthy of damning blame then either President. They write the bills. They spend the money. They wrote the laws and regulations that have led to our financial ruin.
Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Franks, Spector, Snowe, McCain and their ilk are the real Albatrosses around America's neck.
Barak Obama is an inexperienced fool. Worse yet, he's a massive narcist that will never admit or recognize his ever apparent inexperience for this job. He foolishly handed the Stimulus bill to Nancy Pelosi to write and Dingy Harry Reid to tweek. That's why it failed. It was an abomination of gifts, theft, and pork. That's why we are broke and have nothing to show for 3 Trillion dollars wasted. Obama will get full credit or blame for the outcome.
It is Barak Obama and a Democrat controlled congress that have laid the foundation for an insolvent U.S. government. It's far past the time that we start having a National discussion, on the end of the Greenback.
(for liberals;…”Greenback” is another name or term for the U.S. dollar.)
At this present time, the U.S. government has debt and promised liabilities approaching 100 TRILLION dollars. ( NOTE *** Don't make Trillion out to be a small number. It's not.) This is unpayable. Our children and grandchildren will be born into crushing debt, which will create massive poverty. For the first time in American history, this generation of Americans and it's government officials, has left a much bleaker future for the next generations. For that reason alone, we citizens, both Republican, Democrat, and Independants, must purge the arrogent slobs from congress. Vote all incumbants out. Demand term limits. Try to correct our collective mistake.
And then go after the real thieves like Franks, Dodd, Reid, Pelosi, Franklin Raines, Tim Geithner, and all other corrupt officials, with every legal authority available. Strip THEM of their wealth, burn their homes to the ground, confiscate all their foreign holdings, and then jail them for life.
Bernie Madoff went to prison for a 50 Billion dollar Ponzi scheme. What is Social Security?
It's a 50 TRILLION dollar Ponzi scheme. Wake up folks.
Whether we are white, black, asian or hispanic Americans, we all have one thing in common.
Whether we are politically left, right, or centrist, we all have one thing in common.
You will find out what your common factor is, when we are all suffering in extreme poverty caused by a collapse of the American dollar. We will all suffer in a collapsed economic system, that ends with a failed “Banana Republic” State. If the projected deficits for Obama's administration are correct, it's GAME OVER.
Of course, I'm not betting on my fellow citizens to “come together” and fix the problem, I'm simply buying Gold and planning my escape.
That's real “Change” you can sink your teeth into as you hunt for food.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:20 am

Here you go.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

You're welcome. Anything else?


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:21 am

c'mon birther loonies, answer my questions:

why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?

why do you believe other state officials are lying?

why do you believe hospital officials are lying?

why do you believe mccain and his staff — including running mate palin — are lying?

why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?

why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?

why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:21 am

So ” All Men are created equal” means that EVERY living person is EQUAL in evry way?


Orly Taitz, Esq.
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:22 am

De Vattel's “Law of the Nations” deefines Citizns as all who is born of citizens. That is plurl so it means that both Parents must be Citizen! Because Barry Soetoro's AKA “defacto president” father was not U.S Citizen, Barry can not be CITIZEN OF USA!! But, Because his mother was not Kenyan citizen, he can not be Kenya citien ETHER!

I'm an experienced Constitutional Layer and I'm preparing a law suit for the Court Supreme to get Barry Soetoro deported from Earth because he can not be a citizen of anu country on Earth! Please got to my website and donate money for Victory!!!

Orly Taitz, Esq.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:22 am

futuresigh,

wow — nice cut and paste job. real perfeshunal like.

the trufers aren't left wingers — they're ron paul disciple fringe republicans.


LT
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:24 am

So true. Hawaii is really just one big strategic military base. Seriously.


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:26 am

You rock, jn2222!!!!!!


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:26 am

here's another question for the birthers:

how many of you also believe obama is a secret muslim? c'mon, fess up…


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:26 am

Hope you have spell check


LT
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:26 am

You're really racist man. And also clearly uneducated.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:27 am

be careful, the birthers are gonna believe you're serious…


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:27 am

Does it really matter?


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:29 am

all the birthers are furiously checking teh intertubz to try to find out what to say. god knows they can't think for themselves, even for a minute…


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:30 am

Burl, unless you're Native American, you're not really American either. And assuming your name is Burl Von Tran….uh…yeah!!! I also don't think you're in any position to comment on brains!!


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:30 am

just goes to show their delusional mindset. i'm sorry if i exhibit no patience for these wackados. i've had it up to my gills with their racism inspired conspiracy theories and i'm calling them out on it.

i know i'm not being polite but sometimes the time for politeness has passed…


bricem
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:31 am

Among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:33 am

oh, crap. he's a cylon. i knew i saw him with balthazar just before they blowed up the colonies…


laddy1
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:33 am

If Obama has nothing to hide then simply authorize the release of the long form birth certificate. Unless, of course, you have something to hide. Pretty basic request and it can all be put in the past!


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:34 am

frak. frak. frak.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:35 am

can you read. what does the article you're commenting on say about that?


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:35 am

Good grief, the bar at the Bar must be raised!!!!! lol


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:35 am

Stephen, Are you still trying to cure the blind? A person called A on the Air America post has some good info on the real dirt behind this birther nonsence.
Mister Burns stole the monkey- typewriter thing from Bob Newhart's The Button-Down Mind. I think it was released in 1961, maybe there is a connection, oh! no! they are getting to me.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:36 am

How long do you plan to keep repeating nonsense that has been repeatedly disproven?

Long form isn't even available in Hawaii. Originals are never released, pursuant to state law. What he released has been authenticated and is sufficient for all purposes that a birth certificate is needed for.

You're insincere and not nearly creative enough to be interesting.

Florida Christian alert! “it can all be put in the past!” = “This could all be laid to rest so easily.”


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:36 am

yet again, c'mon you birther — answer the questions:

why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?

why do you believe other state officials are lying?

why do you believe hospital officials are lying?

why do you believe mccain and his staff — including running mate palin — are lying?

why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?

why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?

why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:36 am

First, fascism is a type of socialism. Kinda like the way chiropractic derives from osteopathy, y'know? Study up on the early 20th Century and you'll see that all the fascists – like all the communists of the 19th Century – started out their political lives in the sewage of the socialist “mainstream.”

And like white blood cells crowding out the visual field in a urine specimen drawn from a patient with a raging bladder infection, the instances and ways in which our present Boot-On-Your-Neck Party “Malevolent Jobholder” coterie violates the Constitution is “too numerous to count” (TNTC).

The standing joke is that the only amendment of the Bill of Rights they don't violate every day – as a matter of policy – is the Third, and that's only because neither Republicans nor Democrats can figure out any way to squeeze as much graft out of quartering soldiers in people's houses in times of peace as they can from their “contributors” interested in building and maintaining military posts.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 10:37 am

Why would there be birth announcements in TWO different newspapers in August 3 and 4, 1961?

Why would his eighteen year-old mother (at the time) put in so much effort (right after birth) to run around concocting a document in 1961 which will favor her son’s presidential aspirations in 2008, forty-seven years later?

Did this ordinary eighteen year ols girl in 1961 know that her son (black as he was in 1961) will grow up to become president?

Is that why the president’s mother had to arrange to put in place everything he would need to succeed?

How many people were in on this conspiracy?

Why would this eighteen year old try to forge a birth document when she was already American and therefore by birth right her son too?

If all these people wanted to fabricate birth records then they must have picked the hardest place to do so.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 10:37 am

Why would there be birth announcements in TWO different newspapers in August 3 and 4, 1961?

Why would his eighteen year-old mother (at the time) put in so much effort (right after birth) to run around concocting a document in 1961 which will favor her son’s presidential aspirations in 2008, forty-seven years later?

Did this ordinary eighteen year ols girl in 1961 know that her son (black as he was in 1961) will grow up to become president?

Is that why the president’s mother had to arrange to put in place everything he would need to succeed?

How many people were in on this conspiracy?

Why would this eighteen year old try to forge a birth document when she was already American and therefore by birth right her son too?

If all these people wanted to fabricate birth records then they must have picked the hardest place to do so.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:38 am

they don't read anything they don't already agree with and are impervious to contradictory facts. they just know in their bones a black man can't be the legitimate president…


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:38 am

Equal in their rights to life, to liberty, and to property, certainly.

Not equal in height or age or intelligence or in mass or in blood type or…

Oh. Were you trying to “make a funny,” red?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:39 am

I think being a birther who DOESN'T think Obama is a secret Muslim is like being an alcoholic who's allergic to water.

I don't think it's possible to be a birther if you don't also pass a WHOLE lot of other exits before you finally take the birther off-ramp. You could've gotten off the Freeway of Insanity a long time ago but no, you chose this one. So I'm guessing 100%. What's your guess?


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:40 am

Why should he have to prove anything more then the law requires, just because a few people are really nosey. How about you showing your SSN# to everybody to prove you are in the USA legally?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Oh, if only you were the REAL Oily Taint. Oh well, it was a nice thought.


barrack
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Barry “barack obama” Soetoro, the usurper in chief, must be a “nut birther” too! He proclaimed himself a muslim:
http://www.rense.com/general86/barry.htm


robss
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:42 am

All this “long form” of his birth certificate stuff is crap. I know I don't have anything but my birth certificate. I do not have 2 different ones. Does anyone else have one?


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:43 am

tuckus wrote: “First, fascism is a type of socialism”

> you are a complete moron. just because jonah said it, doesn't make it so. fascism and socialism are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. facts and information are your friends — make use of them.

tuckus wrote: “The standing joke is that the only amendment of the Bill of Rights they don't violate every day – as a matter of policy – is the Third”

> again, can you provide some examples to back this up. just how exactly are they violating the other nine?


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:45 am

pretty much. maybe some of them believe he's the anti christ, but i guess that's not mutually exclusive in their warped little heads…


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 10:47 am

Been reading The Obama Timetable (online at http://colony14.net/id41.html ) and suddenly realized why you’d been popping a gasket when I’d called your Kenyan Keynesian “Barry Soetoro,” stevie.

Jeez, that might really be his name. If he didn’t change it back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” after Lolo Soetoro legally adopted him as a child in Indonesia and then he was shuffled back into the care of his maternal grandmother in Hawaii so his mom and Daddy #2 could go on with their lives without being encumbered by him….

Boy, the more I learn about your colleague, steve, the more convinced I’m becoming that those records he’s “sealed” would kill his political career Dead Right There (DRT), like a – figurative, stevie, figurative! – bullet right to the brain.

But what a “red diaper” friggin’ socialist he really is. Sucked it up every minute of every day of his little life.

When he wasn’t studying the Qu’uran in Arabic, prostrating himself in the direction of Mecca, and “chooming” up dope like Spicoli.

And you like this asshole, steve?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 10:47 am

Been reading The Obama Timetable (online at http://colony14.net/id41.html ) and suddenly realized why you’d been popping a gasket when I’d called your Kenyan Keynesian “Barry Soetoro,” stevie.

Jeez, that might really be his name. If he didn’t change it back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” after Lolo Soetoro legally adopted him as a child in Indonesia and then he was shuffled back into the care of his maternal grandmother in Hawaii so his mom and Daddy #2 could go on with their lives without being encumbered by him….

Boy, the more I learn about your colleague, steve, the more convinced I’m becoming that those records he’s “sealed” would kill his political career Dead Right There (DRT), like a – figurative, stevie, figurative! – bullet right to the brain.

But what a “red diaper” friggin’ socialist he really is. Sucked it up every minute of every day of his little life.

When he wasn’t studying the Qu’uran in Arabic, prostrating himself in the direction of Mecca, and “chooming” up dope like Spicoli.

And you like this asshole, steve?


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:50 am

I have 2 different types. A “long” form that has everything on it and a new shorter form that has only the basic info. Both are legal and the “long” form is over 30 years old.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:51 am

You forgot a few essentials:

- Boy Scout merit badges earned;

- Little League at-bat record;

- List of girls considered icky in 2nd grade;

- 3rd grade essay titled: “GI Joe: Reconsidering Whether to Fight the Cobra Foe”;

- Secret Decoder Ring combination;

- proof of purchase from Cap'n Crunch in which said Secret Decoder Ring was obtained;

- belts obtained in tae kwon do;

- name and gender of every date taken to any junior high or high school dance;

- High school locker combination;

- Receipts for guitars purchased in effort to subversively woo white women;

- Prescriptions for any medicinal marijuana obtained at Occidental;

- Alphabetized list of iPod contents;

- Pizza coupons that haven't expired cause we're running low on fundage;

- Your picks for this year's Oscars, starting with “Best sound editing”;

- Mattress tags that say “Do not remove under penalty of law.”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:53 am

I have a long one.

But you're right. There's no long form birth certificate in Hawaii.

:)


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:53 am

ha ha ha


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:53 am

my god, you're gonna start a whole new sub movement of them…


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:54 am

Who the hell is “jonah”?

The political “spectrum” upon which you are relying is a false construct. More reliable is the Nolan diagram (though I've had to put up with Jerry Pournelle touting his earlier chart, and which I do not credit as terribly useful).

Look into Dr. Nolan's analysis of authoritarians, and you'll be able to better understand how it is that the putative “difference” between communists, fascists, and similar crazed socialists is really no difference at all.

And I'm not going into a “standing joke” that's been around since I was in grade school. No need, you silly ass.


Orly Taitz, Esq.
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:54 am

I doesnt understand? I'm allways Serious! and professional but Soetoro's Nazi thugs have hacked all my computers so That everything I wrote looks ridiculoss!

Orly Taitz, Esq.


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 5:59 am

THIS IS FUNNY AS HELL!!!!!!!!! You are brilliant!!!! LOL!!!!!!


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:01 am

jonah is the eedjit who wrote 'liberal fascism,' which puts forward the same incoherent claim you make that socialism and fascism, despite everything about their history and ideology, are actually somehow the same.

but, please, keep insisting that they are really the same. it shows everyone else what an ignoramus you are.

and, yah, i figured you couldn't back up your claim that the constitution and the bill of rights are being trampled.

i bet you backed bush all the way when he trashed habeaus corpus, instituted illegal wiretaps, started an illegal war and, we find out tonight, that cheney wanted to use troops on american soil.

but i'm sure you had no problems with all that since they're good white republicans…


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:01 am

OK, I've had it. I'm starting a new movement. I think that only people with balding heads should be running the county or better yet the world. We balding head people have shown that we use our heads more and thats why we have less hair. Medical fact is balding head people have more brains. So we should rule all you hairy headed people because we are smart. See I have medical facts to support it.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:03 am

why won't you birhters answer these simple questions? can't find a place to cut and paste responses from…?

why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?

why do you believe other state officials are lying?

why do you believe hospital officials are lying?

why do you believe mccain and his staff — including running mate palin — are lying?

why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?

why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?

why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?


bricem
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:03 am

When someone cannot win a dabate on facts (ignorant), they resort to ridicule, as ALL YOU BRAINWASHED OBAMANIACS ARE DOING! Since it is ALL they have.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:05 am

“You pitch in with the rest of us and demand that…”

Oh thank God. I've been waiting for this! Who, pray tell, constitutes “the rest of us?”

I just know this is going to be worth it. I'm guessing your group has a mission statement, as well. And I'm going to go out on a limb and venture to say the mission statement includes “Tyranny” doesn't it?

You know what it is? You have this absurd fear of power being exercised upon you in a way you find objectionable. One can almost *sense* you standing rigidly at the first sign of danger, clamping your legs together and squeezing your cheeks tight. I think you were “interfered with” when you were a younger man, perhaps when you were a boy.

But that's enough of my stalling. On with describing the co-horts you're bringing with you to that Fantasy Island of yours, please!


jackson tomas
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:10 am

The essential questions are these: Do Americans have the right to demand President Obama to show that he is constitutionally qualified to be POTUS? (so far there were no officials who have come out to declare that President Obama is indeed a 'Natural Born Citizen'.) The only one who can do that is President Obama himself. Now the Birth Certificate issue have entered mainstream media after over a year of bubbling in the internet blogsphere. This issue is not going away and these constant debates can only distract the proper functioning of government.

The next big question is: 'why the Presdident is not willing to release his long form birth certificate to prove that he is indeed 'Natural Born Citizen'? This will surely killed the birthers movement once and for all.

Of course Presdient Obama might be faced with a big dilemma, if his birth certificates can not prove that he is a 'Natural Born Citizen’, thus not qualified to be POTUS, then we do have a constitutional crisis on our hands. Is that why President Obama is so hesitante to show his Birth Certificate and continuously figting the numerous court cases.

The birthers can not prove that Presdient Obama is not a ‘Natural Born Citizen’, only President Obama himself can do that, and yet he is unwilling to do it. The birthers can only question him and the questioning is getting louder and louder.

For the next election, the national parties should first demand proof of 'Natural Born Citizen' from candidates before puting their names on the ballot to avoid the current mess.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:10 am

we already beat you with facts. you're just too delusional to recognize it. now were making fun of you lunacy. deal with it. why don't you answer the list of questions i keep posting?

c'mon, bring some factual answers to my questions.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:11 am

SIYF,

The first answer you get to a question that you posed to a birther that is not just a series of questions posed back to you, will be the first such answer I've seen on this site.

Hope you brought a ball to bounce against the wall or something while you're waiting.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:12 am

man, they just don't respond to reason. please answer these questions:

why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?

why do you believe other state officials are lying?

why do you believe hospital officials are lying?

why do you believe mccain and his staff — including running mate palin — are lying?

why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?

why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?

why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:13 am

The one he released has been authenticated. It says he was born in Hawaii. Thus he's a natural born U.S. Citizen.

Work on concision and clarity. It took you a hell of a long time to say absolutely nothing.


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:13 am

AGAIN, why should he show something more then the law says he has to show?


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:15 am

yah, i'm about to bag it. i wasn't expecting an answer — i just wanted to document, yet again, that they cannot answer simple questions about their conspiracy theory.

i know it's futile. maybe it's some kind of penance for my sins…


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:15 am

Sorry, maybe I should have made that into a full page.


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:16 am

Actually dabate is spelled debate and you can only have an actual debate when the one you are debating actually offers something “factual” to debate…otherwise, you are dealing with mere stupidity only worthy of what you refer to as ridicule!! Furthermore, Stephenperry's list above was actually a very creative and kind way of showing how utterly goofy some of your comments are!!!


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:17 am

They can't answer something they have no idea about. That's why you'll never see the answers you are seeking.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:18 am

well, you actually have logic and reality on your side, so concision works for you. the birthers on the other hand…


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:18 am

I'm sorry, bricem. Please direct me to a single “fact” introduced into this thread by anyone who contends President Obama is not rightfully President.

“Fact” means objectively true demonstrable evidence. That means a link to a source that isn't World Net Daily or an email from your aunt in Memphis.

Once that happens, I'll apologize and mean it. But look at what I was responding to; you asked for his fucking KINDERGARTEN records, for fuck's sake.

What, are you going to see how he did in the “listens quietly when it's other children's turn at story-telling time?” We all know that's critical for good Presidential decision-making, right?

If you're going to be hysterical, don't cry when you get slapped like the bitch that you are.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:19 am

Well, shit, I guess I just threw “kind” out the window, huh?


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:19 am

yah, that certainly appears to be the case…


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:21 am

shit, my “proof of Natural Born Citizen'” got ruined in the wash…


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:24 am

Off you go DEPORTATION.


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:25 am

But your birth certificate would have to say that you were bald at birth to be valid and that your parents were also of bald decent. Also, if you were half hairy, this could present a problem among birthers.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:26 am

oh noes.


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:26 am

Closet lawyers, jail house lawyers all the same talking out of their (o) .


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:28 am

Oh, the studies and analyses correctly designating fascism as a subtype of socialism long antedate Jonah's very recent Liberal Fascism. Consider, for example, von Mises' seminal Socialism (1922) and literally hundreds of other works. Ever read von Hayek's The Road to Serfdom (1944) and his dedication “To the socialists of all parties,” sarcoid?

I've long noted that socialists – “Liberals,” progressives, fascists, National Socialists, nominal “Democrats,” what-have-you – really know very, very little about the history and theory of their own brand of vicious statist thuggery. The mercantilists who call themselves “Republicans” nowadays are similarly ignorant, and cruise along in the fat, dumb, happy supposition that they're conservatives.

They're not, of course. But that's neither here nor there, is it?

What, you don't like having your warm, fuzzy, “caring” socialism characterized as the bloody, horrible, Khmer Rouge/Red Guard/NKVD/Gestapo/Winterhilfe/Mussolini/FDR/hive-dwelling insect antihuman abomination it really is?


bricem
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:29 am

Everyone accidentally hits the wrong key now & then. I know how to spell debate, genius.
Wow, you must be some kind of brilliant superior to me. I should just believe all your opinions then!


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:31 am

My new movement is growing it's called “The balding head people should rule” movement. How many bald headed hippies did you see in the 60's and 70's?


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:32 am

Well…I can only say..once I stop laughing…desperate times call for desperate measures!!! :)


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:35 am

Was born bald, dad and grand dad both bald, brother going bald, grand mother going bald when she passed ( wasn't pretty) and me now almost bald.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:40 am

tuckus writes downstream about von hayek. now that is a pathetic screed if there ever was one. again, just because you and a few fellow loons say socialism is fascism, it doesn't make it so.

you can note bullshit all you want, the rest of us see it for the delusional ranting that it is.

you, literally, don't know your right from your left…


Kenyansrule
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:42 am

Keep it up, OBOT kool aider. All the swearing & insults just prove the point!
You cannot argue the information – Barry's secret records, ANY of which could have embarrassing info in them, otherwise why so much secrecy and lawyers costs to keep them secret? You can only make juvenille personal attacks like morons.
BTW, ask any Kenyan where Barry Jr. was born. They are very proud to have their native son take power.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:43 am

and tuckus, please answer my questions, which neither you nor any of your fellow birthers seem to be able to tackle…

why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?

why do you believe other state officials are lying?

why do you believe hospital officials are lying?

why do you believe mccain and his staff — including running mate palin — are lying?

why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?

why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?

why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Does anybody have something NICE to say or is this just the way we all are?


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:44 am

rednecksdrool,

answer the questions:

why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?

why do you believe other state officials are lying?

why do you believe hospital officials are lying?

why do you believe mccain and his staff — including running mate palin — are lying?

why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?

why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?

why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:45 am

Actually, you don't have to believe a thing I say but I would suggest you brush up on the difference between facts and opinions.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:45 am

please answer the questions:

why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?

why do you believe other state officials are lying?

why do you believe hospital officials are lying?

why do you believe mccain and his staff — including running mate palin — are lying?

why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?

why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?

why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?


Barrack
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:46 am

Thanks for defending me steve. You are SO MY BITCH!
I always thought u were pretty in those journey videos.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:47 am

Wrong again. I've answered many, many of these stupid birther posts with objective fact and citations to authority. Read the thread, read other threads on this site. But when someone asks irrelevant questions (kindergarten records) and asks for things that have been released AND are irrelevant, then there's no need to pretend that I'm dealing with someone who is sincere.

And I am sure you are familiar with the argument style of reductio ad absurdum. I believe my list of essentials made the point I intended to make then.

And you're making my point now. You talk about secrecy and attorneys' fees, but the articles on this very site de-bunk all that. Obama has released everything he needs to. You're just a conspiracy theorist. And, given this set of circumstances, we all know why you are espousing a belief in this one, and it's not because he's a Democrat.

Don't stick up for your little brother if you don't know how to fight either.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:49 am

Was “Barack” taken or are you stupid? Feel free to answer yes to both questions; I admit it's awkwardly phrased.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:50 am

yah, i know. but like i said before, i've lost patience with these racists. i'm just venting…


smokeyythebear
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:50 am

Obomer show the REAL birth certificate and end the debate. He has something to hide so much for transpancy as he promised. The is how the world is, What right is wrong and what wrong is right. WE THE PEOPLE just let it happen.


bigred07011961
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:52 am

Well I have had it for now But I do have a wish for all ” May peace find it's way into all your hearts as you sleep” That way you all have a little better outlook when you wake up. Bye for now and peace to all.


sarcasmisyourfriend
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:54 am

trying to reason with these poor deluded souls is futile. they are impervious to reason and i am done.

g'bye bigred, stephen, peace and the others. to the birfers, really, try reality — you'll like it.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Okay.

(1) The governor of Hawaii is a Republican. Republicans (ever since Lincoln) have proven to be inveterate liars.

(2) The “state officials” are bureaucrats. They're very carefully not lying. They're not telling the whole truth, either. They're covering their asses like fan-dancers, 'cause this thing has “Career Death” in big, red letters all over it.

(3) The hospital officials are covering their asses, too. Not lying, just stonewalling like Organization Todt. Again, “Career Death” situation.

(4) Crash Test Johnnie and his staff are Republicans. See (1) above. Their motto (as always with regard to their “bipartisan” colleagues) is “Go along to get along.”

(5) The Certification of Live Birth images are quite obviously doctored. Not only is the document from which they've allegedly been scanned not a “birth certificate,” but nobody outside the Obama campaign (probably Jay McKinnon, who describes himself as a “Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist,” cobbled it together) and the J-school jerkwads at FactCheck can claim to have ever seen the damned thing. If it in fact exists as a for-real, signed and sealed legal document, where the hell is it?

(6) I don't give a damn about the “travel ban” to Pakistan. If such a ban had been in effect at the time Barry made his hegira, though, wouldn't it have been nice for him to have an Indonesian passport naming him “Barry Soetoro,” though?

(7) On the “conspiracy” aspect…. Well, I dunno. What made me believe in “this conspiracy nonsense” back in '72, when all the Republicans were chanting “Four More Years! Four More Years!” and I was yelling back: “More like ten to twenty! More like ten to twenty!”?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:58 am

I like knowing that President Obama is the President. How nice is that?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:00 am

Aw, c'mon, SIYF. Stick around and see the humor in it. And eventually you'll find like-minded souls and chat with them, and it will all be worth it.

Plus you get to mock racists. That's somewhere between “roasting marshmallows” and “sex in her parents' bed” on the Fun Scale.

Admittedly it's a lot closer to the former. But it beats missing out on mocking racists.


smokeyythebear
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:06 am

You haven't tried reality until you spent time defending your Country and take a oath to defend the Constitution both foreign and domestic. Being a disable vet I'm not going to let so 2 time loser destroy our Country. People like me allow people to have the freedom to blog.


peaceinamerican
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:08 am

SIYF, bigred, stephenperry et al who have been to a library…I'm off to sleep!! It was fun. Soooooooooooo refreshing to know there are still some left with thinking power!!! Stay vocal!!
xoxox


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:10 am

Welcome to the battle comrades. We have been at it for a week on the original thread. You are going to hear the same nonsense over and over. No matter how many times you correct mistakes and lies they will come back with the same bs. Why don't they listen to facts and reason? If you hammer them for long enough they will crack and start spewing the hate and racism behind this after-birther movement. Push them a little harder and they will tell you how they want to kill our President. They may call themselves conservatives or libertarians but what we are really dealing with is white-supremacists, anti-government and who knows what other groups.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:11 am

You may not speak Tuciese. I know it gets tedious to read through all the words that splattered onto the page and obscured whatever it was he was writing.

I will translate.

He said:

“I don't know why things happen but they seem to keep happening. Damn those things. They seem to be everywhere. Something's biting me.

I hate Republicans too. They must be in on it somehow. Where's my disability check? It's always late.

No one confessed to my suspicions so they must be lying.

I have no proof. I don't need proof. I need to write and then read and re-read things that I think make me sound powerful.

Damn it's cold in here.

We're out of cheese.

I wish I was back in prison, where sex and drugs were cheaper.”

Just trying to help out, folks. Let me know if this was useful.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:13 am

Not really so, smokey. That “freedom to blog” comes whether or not people like you or me ever swear that oath. It's in the nature of our lawful government. Those of us who put in time in uniform do it for our own reasons, and the “civilians” don't really owe us anything that isn't in the regulations and statutes under which we served.

But isn't it funny, smokey? When they separate us, we don't get told: “Okay, you can forget about that oath, now.”

I still consider myself bound by that oath. How about you?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:16 am

What I really like is the way you keep using the phrase “the J-school jerkwads at Factcheck.org.”

I understand. You'd prefer that the people who work for a site concerned with objective journalism have gone to hairdressing school, rather than journalism school.

Then they would write articles like the ones you read. But that's why we have journalism schools.

You're quite a specimen.


KENYARULES
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:20 am

Father addmitedly not a U.S citizen. U R SO DEBUNKED. SLAM DUNK PROVEN.