Birther Soldier Sues for His Old Job, Compares President to Hitler

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Birthers are racist.

For those who say birthers aren't racist, I present here a few quotes from Randwulf. They all appeared on one 109 post thread. I haven't bothered to look at any of his racist comments made in other threads, like the one with 2,869 comments. If you fuss about it someone will compile a master list including comments from others as well, and prove you that much MORE wrong.

Oh, and he also gives away birther philosophy. So this is a Birther Rosetta Stone. Every other word after this sentence is a direct quote of Randwulf, and the last quote is a nod to Florida Christian, so enjoy!

“I think he is an Indonesian wetback, an illegal alien in every sense of the word.” [posted twice on same thread, days apart]

“Monkeys are experts on where to find nuts. Aren't they ALFTURD?”

“Monkeyf@cker.”

“Yes like when you call me a “racist”. Turnabout is fair play MONKEYF@CK!”

“But, its all good. Laugh away. Eat bananas and fling pooh! The monkeys can never run the zoo for very long before more advanced primates must move back in, hose down all the $hit and restore order. Looking forward to that!!”

“Wack-a-doodle? Hmm is that some new kind of mongrel breed or something? Why don't you guys run one of them for office! Oh and this time, make sure he has all his records, so we don't have to go through all this again.”

“I don't remember mentioning race at all, so it is you “making it clear” that I must harbor “racist” sentiments.”

“Man have I got a list of who's been naughty and who's been nice. Got ammo?”

[Birther Philosophy revealed below!]

“Whatever they have, we want to see it. We won't stop until we have it. Argument over it is pointless. The original documents will tell all. And then we will go for all the rest of the documents that he refuses to release.”

[Florida Christian Alert!]

“This whole sick episode would have been laid to rest long ago if…”

Wow. And here I was worried that comedians would run out of jokes now that Palin is in office!

Does any birther who posts at this site actually read any of the articles? Each one refutes at least 30% of what the birthers say in a given post.

Can't wait to hear the defense of Ms. Taitz and her legal acumen, as well as the defense of Major Cook and his patriotic decision to quit and then sue to keep from losing his CIVILIAN job. Gee, maybe you should have, um, thought this through before you agreed to sign up with Orly and her band of sanctioned and disbarred misfits?

I don't know how it happens, but this birther stuff just gets better and better.

Wouldn't this have to be filed in a district court in Fla as an employee grievance? Taitz isn't eligible to practice in any court in Florida.

“The world is round not flat.” –MikeB

What evidence do you have to prove that the world is round not flat?

I'm talking legit evidence. Dont tell me about any of the obvious fakes that have been discussed and shredded by my online newsletter already.

It seems like such a simple request. Just back up what your saying, dude. ANY map that has a certificate (not certification) of authenticity should be able to prove your point, and then this whole thing will be laid to rest.

If you dont want to admit your wrong just say it libtard. Just say your wrong and this whole thing goes away.

If you check the link in the article you'll see on the caption that she has APPLIED for admission “pro hac vice.” (this time only) Assuming her application is granted, that means she has paired up with someone who IS qualified to practice in Florida.

I can't wait to find out what stellar legal mind has joined her. My money's on Alan Dershowitz or Judge Richard Posner.

Thoughts?

The grammar skills and laughable legal analysis reflected by the above excerpts are reflective of the online correspondence school that Orly Taitz got her so-called law degree from.

Major Cook is doomed. He is a fool for hitching his fate up with this incompetent hack, but that's ok because he deserves what's coming to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJx-uGRsiNU

It sounds like she's making some sort of discrimination/retaliation claim, which probably means she was supposed to file a complaint with the EEOC first. But who cares about such trivial details when you're Orly Taitz, the brilliant legal scholar with a diploma from an online correspondence school.

This application for injunctive relief will be DENIED forthwith by the court, by the way. The only question is whether the judge's order contains any entertaining language as he demolishes her case.

I think poor ex-Major Cook is suing the wrong person. He needs to sue his lawyer for incompetence and not knowing the law. Now, that's a case he could win!!!

This guy is really turning into quite the vexatious litigant.

[...] job fires him because of the world of “crazy” he brought down upon them…he sues to get his job back…the court says, [...]

As noted on Stewart last night: Orly Taitz- Lawyer, Dentist, Real Estate Agent.
Hard to make that up…

Case has been dismissed

Clarification to comment: Judge dismissed case this morning for failure to follow local rules re: filing.

Correction to article: Cook filed case PRO SE. Taitz did not file case on Cook's behalf.

Hurrah Stephen, you pegged it. These nuts really do think their own rantings are superior to evidence, not that they accept there's ever been any evidence. If you could send them back through time to watch Obama being born in Honolulu, they would still deny it.

If you'd like to have a botched root canal, then sue your dentist for malpractice and use the award money to buy a house, this is your one stop shop!

Lemme see if I have this right. Maj Cook takes issue with the presence of President Obama, claiming that Obama may be in the White House illegally (not a nat born citizen). As Cook swore to defend the Constitution, he cannot in good conscience, follow orders that come from the present administration (who may be in the White House illegally).

However, as a private citizen, Cook is happy as a grig to be working for a *defense contractor* taking orders from the Defense Dept. This is the same Defense Dept that claims its Commander-in-Chief is President Obama.

Right. Clear as mud.

I hope you are being facetious with the lawyers listed because Dershowitz wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole. He supports Obama and has from the start

If Obama has a long-form, why doesn’t he show it? If he doesn’t have one, why not? People that hide things, usually have something to hide. He works for us. We have a right to know! We have a right to demand it!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to send a message to Obama and to EVERY OTHER POTENTIAL VIOLATOR OF OUR RULE OF LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

UPDATE: because these birfoon lawyers REFUSE to comply with a little something competent legal professionals call the rules of procedure, Maj Kook's new case was tossed this morning! Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy! Beyond fail, again!

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/jul/23/petitio…

We're to believe, that you bring this all up, because your fingers are saintly-compelled to hard truth?
More likey it's 'cuz, you're true masters a grudge, who rules you by anger to untruth.
The party that lost comes tempest-tossed to ponder how and why.
I could never be us, no never is us, so let's just join together in slander and cry.

Exactly! If the Earth really was round, then maps wouldn't be printed on FLAT paper! So what are the round earthers really hiding?

Interesting. I'm a software guy, so maybe someone here that knows court proceedings might be able to tell me if this is as odd as it sounds?

“U.S. District Judge Richard A. Lazzara wrote in a brief order that Stefan Frederick Cook's petition for a restraining order did not comply with local court rules because it was not accompanied by a complaint. The judge dismissed Cook's motion “without prejudice,” meaning he may file it again if it follows court rules.”

Not strange at all, the courts have rules and the rules need to be followed. The birfoon lawyers either refuse to follow the rules or they do not realize they have to follow the rules because they are crappy lawyers. This is litigation 101. Follow the rules or get your case tossed. Period.

What's odd about it?

Basically, you can't file a “motion” in court without there being a lawsuit in the first place. This is sheer incompetence by Taitz, which isn't surprising given her shoddy legal education.

Not understanding the pro se aspect of this. She signed the TRO application herself.

Filed pro se, I am guessing, cause Orly is not admitted in FLA. It seems she signed and she listed local counsel, but, that is likely because she is simply an idiot. It is also entirely possible that she does not know what pro se means.

Thanks, let me clarify: I didnt mean the judges action regarding it. I just found it very odd that there was no complaint on the part of Cook.

Actually, neither she nor alleged local counsel signed the document. The signature pages are blank from what I can see — Check page 45 of Complaint @ http://www.scribd.com/full/17606448?access_key=…

Also, the official DOCKET — and the Court's Order — shows that he filed pro se.

Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for Hawaii's State Department of Health, says that they only issue “certifications” of live births, which is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii.

The Health Department “DOES NOT HAVE A SHORT-FORM or LONG-FORM CERTIFICATE.” (emphasis added)

http://www.starbulletin.com/features/20090606_k…

From the Star Bulletin:

“The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”

Here's another statement from their government website supporting that long-forms are no longer available:

“Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

The above is found here, under “Primary Documents”:

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

There's also more about the birth certificate issue here:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stateme…

Another “birther” claim is that a birth certificate could have been applied for by ANY adult, and that one could easily have been granted for a baby born outside of the country.

“In fact, only the legal parents of a child—in this case, Barack Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham—can apply for a birth certificate.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/51652/some-mor…

“As for the theory that Obama's original birth certificate might show he was foreign-born, Okubo said the “Certification of Live Birth” would say so. Obama's does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.”

Perhaps I'm becoming a conspiracy nut myself, but I wouldn't be at all suprised if Mr. Cook was not “talked into” not doing his duty, by other “birthers” who thought that doing so would leave quite an impression—-on other “birthers”. That he has made a fool of himself with the aid of his attorney is well established. Should we go to bed feeling save with Mr. Cook back at work in the defense industry?

Dear Mr. Captainsteve–have you read the comments to your missive, located right beneath yours? Do you suppose that they are lying, just like the President? Huh? I could also suggest an Internet site FactCheck.com. They produced not only a copy of the President's birth certificate, but went into detail regarding it and where it is being held. I found information contained in the certificate at TCU's government records dept. Don't you suppose that you might just be able TO DO THE SAME THING?

Hallelujah. NLC, apparently he's fine with taking money but not with risking his hide. This kid isn't just a birther, he's an outright coward.

Why is Orly Taitz allowed to use stupid people like him? which is the worse crime.

Part of me wonders if he's trying to make himself some type of pop hero too. Kinda like Joe the Plumber.

Dear Jackie,

Thank you for you polite response. I've read everything in the last year. Ever point in defense of obama can be easily refuted. His defenders don't want to seek or admit the truth. For instance, just below in a comment to me it's written “Hawaii won't release a long form.” Two easy replies.

1) He said in his book “Dreams from his Father” that he found his birth certificate. Lets see it!

2) Stop the legal blockade; authorize Hawaii to release whatever they have.

The factcheck COLB has been questioned for many reasons. For instance, his sister was born in Indonesia. She has the exact same COLB. She is NOT natural born. He may not be either. He needs to prove it.

Obama’s father’s mother said she was at the birth. . .IN KENYA!!! Can you imagine a mother not knowing whether she was at the birth of her son’s baby? Seriously! If she was there, can you imagine that she didn’t know what continent it was on?

I can address every point.

The birthers aren’t crazy. OBAMA IF A COMITTING THE BIGGEST FRAUD OF ALL TIME!!!

Read this if you REALLY want to know all about it.

http://www.friktech.com/2009/born.pdf

Sincerely,

Captain Steve

FemmeKat

Ever point in defense of obama can be easily refuted. His defenders don't want to seek or admit the truth. For instance, just below in a comment to me it's written “Hawaii won't release a long form.” Two easy replies.

1) He said in his book “Dreams from his Father” that he found his birth certificate. Lets see it!

2) Stop the legal blockade; authorize Hawaii to release whatever they have.

The factcheck COLB has been questioned for many reasons. For instance, his sister was born in Indonesia. She has the exact same COLB. She is NOT natural born. He may not be either. He needs to prove it.

Obama’s father’s mother said she was at the birth. . .IN KENYA!!! Can you imagine a mother not knowing whether she was at the birth of her son’s baby? Seriously! If she was there, can you imagine that she didn’t know what continent it was on?

The birthers aren’t crazy. OBAMA IF A COMITTING THE BIGGEST FRAUD OF ALL TIME!!!

Read this if you REALLY want to know all about it.

http://www.friktech.com/2009/born.pdf

Sincerely,

Captain Steve

Paul Hollrah over at FSM believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:

What passport did he use when he was shuttling between
New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?

How did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981,
without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and
Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions,
they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's “no travel” list in 1981.

Conclusion:

When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof
that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.
And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to
prove he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or
American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter,the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008.

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

PaulHollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolvedby Obama answering one simple question:

What passport did he use when he was shuttling between
New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?

How did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981,
without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and
Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions,
they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's “no travel” list in 1981.

Conclusion:

When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof
that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.
And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to
prove he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or
American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter,the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008.

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

Americans absolutely could travel to Pakistan in 1981, you crazy ass birther.

Quoteed repeatedly and horribly mistakenly over and over again:

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's “no travel” list in 1981.

That is absolutely not true. Period. You are telling me that no US Citizens traveled to Pakistan ever not only in just 1981 but anytime and to any nation that was on a no travel list? Do you know what a no travel list is? Are you basically educated, or are you just totally ignorant?

“He said in his book “Dreams from his Father” that he found his birth certificate. Lets see it”

It has been irrefutably proven that he was born in the United States. You have no right to make such an invasive request nor do you have any evidence that would even begin to justify such a request.

“The factcheck COLB has been questioned for many reasons.”

That is true
a) racism
b) utter stupidity
c) mental retardation
d) disconnection from reality

Close but not quite, Hitler was a vegetarian.

why wont he release his BC or school records? why has he spent close to 1 mil. to keep his records closed? the answer is simple, he has something to hide

Dear Captainsteve:
 
I have one burning question for you: Why, oh why did you all not raise hell about his birth certificate when he took his seat in the Senate? That would have been a perfect time to investigate a possible impostor,and one with a funny name, to boot. Where were the “watch dogs” then?  Was it because you had to go ahead and realize that a “few” blacks in our federal government would just have to be overlooked?  Why is it that you all waited until Obama ran for President to panic?  And, what if the President did decide to dignify this “birther” thing by once again, hauling out the birth certificate?  Should it then be passed around in order for everyone to be satisfied? 
 
You say that all would be well, if Obama would just comply–one more time.  I agree that some of the more sensible among this movement might accept that, even though they have not accepted the facts presented so far, as discussed at length on this site and elsewhere.
 
Be aware of the fact that “movements” like this one are well documented and established in history.  Every society in this world can produce its share of nuts (I'm not saying that you are one)  Often times, these movements are made up of folks who are not “well balanced” in the first place.  All it takes is some kind of issue to arouse them and then they can become incredibly dangerous.  Movements similar to the “birthers” are alive and well in our country, right now, today.  “Movements” like these have many things in common. First, there is a fanatical attachment to religion, or belief systems, such as those still alive in the old southern Confederacy, which have produced the KKK, Aryan Nation, White Supremacists, etc.  Fear produces prejudice and racism, fear of something or someone “different”, fear of unknowns. These elements usually appear among the densely ignorant, but they can attract those who become “dynamic leaders” and experts in the
use of propaganda.
 
This “birther” movement has one common element; the fear and disdain of a black person ever becoming President of the United States.  Adding to that fear factor is the idea that the government is getting ready to take over!  My god, they're going to take our guns away, and that this “imposter” just might be leading it!!
 
Basic to all “movements” is the blindness it produces.  With fanatics, the idea of looking at facts that clearly establish, by use of reason,  and evidence to the contrary–their whole world would collapse in ruin.  So, united, they feed each others fears, prejudices and hate.
This “birther” movement is an exquisite example.
Bell

The US does not now, nor has it ever, had a “No Travel List”. The only country in which a US passport is invalid is Cuba, as there is an Economic Embargo. There was no such embargo against Pakistan in 1981, and travel to Pakistan has never been restricted by the US government.

Yes
We could call him “Joe the Soldier”. Ha!
Jackie

Dear Jackie,

That’s a lot of stuff to address. To save time and space, I’LL EMBED MY RESPONSE IN YOURS.

Dear Captainsteve:

I have one burning question for you: Why, oh why did you all not raise hell about his birth certificate when he took his seat in the Senate? FOR SEVERAL REASONS. WHEN HE WON HIS SENATE SEAT, I DIDN’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIM, JUST THAT HE WON BY PUBLISHING THE DIVORCE COURT RECORDS OF HIS OPPONENT AND SMEARING HIM WITH THE INFO. MORE IMPORTANTLY THOUGH, SENATORS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE “NATURAL-BORN” CITIZENS. ANY CITIZEN TYPE CAN BE A SENATOR. That would have been a perfect time to investigate a possible impostor,and one with a funny name, to boot. Where were the “watch dogs” then? THEY WEREN’T THERE. STILL AREN’T. I WROTE TO THE CALIFORNIA SAEC. OF STATE DURING THE CAMPAIGN. THEY CONFIRMED THAT NATIONALLY NOBODY VETTS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE’S CITIZENSHIP. Was it because you had to go ahead and realize that a “few” blacks in our federal government would just have to be overlooked? Why is it that you all waited until Obama ran for President to panic? And, what if the President did decide to dignify this “birther” thing
by once again, hauling out the birth certificate? THERE’S NO “ONCE AGAIN” HERE. HE HAS NEVER SHOWN IT, EVER. THE ONLINE COLB IS MEANINGLESS. Should it then be passed around in order for everyone to be satisfied? OF COURSE NOT. IT COULD BE SHOWN TO A FEW “HIGH-UPS” AND THEN PUBLISHED.

You say that all would be well, if Obama would just comply–one more time. AGAIN, HE NEVER HAS COMPLIED. HE HAS HIDDEN HIS PAST IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. I agree that some of the more sensible among this movement might accept that, even though they have not accepted the facts presented so far, as discussed at length
on this site and elsewhere.

Be aware of the fact that “movements” like this one are well documented and
established in history. I AGREE. “OBAMAISM” IS THE MOVEMENT YOU SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT. HISTORY WILL SHOW I’M CORRECT. THE FAWNING OVER OBAMA HAS BEEN SO GREAT THAT THE MEDIA TUNED OUT, AND GOOD PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF QUITE THINKING CRITICALLY. Every society in this world can produce its share of nuts (I'm not saying that you are one) Often times, these movements are made up of folks who are not “well balanced” in the first place. TRUE. . .BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT HAVE THEM. All it takes is some kind of issue to arouse them and then they can become incredibly dangerous. I CONTEND THAT HAT IS REALLY DANGEROUS IS A PRESIDENT THAT HAS NOT PROVEN HIS ELIGIBILITY AND WANTS TO TRANSFORM AMERICA INTO A HUGO CHAVEZ STYLE DICTATORSHIP.
Movements similar to the “birthers” are alive and well in our country, right now, today. “Movements” like these have many things in common. First, there is a fanatical attachment to religion, or belief systems, such as those still alive in the old southern Confederacy, which have produced the KKK, Aryan Nation,
White Supremacists, etc. YOU SHOULD HAVE ADDED OBAMAISM!!!!! Fear produces prejudice and racism, fear of something or someone “different”, fear of unknowns. These elements usually appear among the densely ignorant, but they can attract those who become “dynamic leaders” and experts in the use of propaganda. ELITISTS TEACH THIS CRAP, BUT I DON’T BUY IT. EVERYBODY THAT DOESN’T BUY THEIR “LINE” IS A LUDDITE? NO. SORRY. I HAVE ADVANCED DEGREES, BUT DEGREES DON’T MEAN “WISE,” HONEST, OR WELL INTENTIONED!!

This “birther” movement has one common element; the fear and disdain of a black person ever becoming President of the United States. THAT IS 100% WRONG. WHY DON’T YOU JUST CALL US SCUM? YOUR STATEMENT HERE IS EXTREMELY RACIST IN ITS OWN RIGHT, AND TRULY PATHETIC. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A BLACK PRESIDENT THAT TRULY REPRESENTED AMERICA, WAS DULY ELECTED (NO ACORN), AND WAS CONSTITUTIONALLY ELIGIBLE (NATURAL-BORN). Adding to that fear factor is the idea that the government is getting ready to take over! GETTING READY TO TAKE OVER? WAKE UP! THEY ARE. THEY TOOK OVER THE BANKS, THE LENDING INDUSTRY, THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY, THE AUTO INDUSTRY, AND WANT TO TAKE OVER THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY. OBAMA HAS APPOINTED 30 SOMETHING CZARS. THEY ARE TAKING OVER! My god, they're going to take our guns away, and that this “imposter” just might be leading it!! THEY DO WANT TO TAKE GUNS AWAY. THE QUESTION IS, DO THEY THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT? IF THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD, THEY WOULD. AND HE IS AN “IMPOSTOR” OF SORTS. SHOW ME THE B/C!!!

Basic to all “movements” is the blindness it produces. With fanatics, the idea of looking at facts that clearly establish, by use of reason, and evidence EVIDENCE? EVIDENCE? DON’T YOU REALIZE THAT THINKING LIKE THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM? OF COURSE I WANT EVIDENCE! THAT’S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT! I WANT ALL THE EVIDENCE! OBAMA, BRING ON THE EVIDENCE! STOP HIDING! OBAMA, HOW DID YOU GET AN INDONESIAN PASSPORT?

HOW IS IT THAT OBAMA, HIS FAMILY, AND THREE DIFFERENT HOSPITALS HAVE DIFFERING TAKES ON WHERE HE WAS BORN? I CAN GO ON! I WANT EVIDENCE. OBAMA, AND PEEPS LIKE YOU, ARE HIDING IT! to the contrary–their whole world would collapse in ruin. HUH? MY WORLD IS BASED ON FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. OBAMA IS TAKING THAT AWAY. So, united, they feed each others fears, prejudices and hate.

This “birther” movement is an exquisite example. NO, THE OBAMA “MOVEMENT” IS THE BEST EXAMPLE, PEEPS ARE FIGURING IT OUT. THAT WHY HIS APPROVAL RATING IS PLUMMETING, MINUS 8 POINTS AS I WRITE. HIS APPROVAL IS THE 8TH LOWEST OUT OF THE PAST 10. IT’S EVEN LOWER THAN JIMMY CARTER’S AT THIS POINT IN HIS PRESIDENCY.

Bell

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

Sincerely,

Captain Steve

If he is a soldier and he is refusing his deployment, why don't they just throw him in jail. Isn't that dereliction (not sure of spelling) of duty?

Where did you get the info that he spent all this money to keep his records closed. Isn't that just another lie being spread over the internet? Where's the proof?
Also, why are there birth announcements in 2 Hawaii papers from the time of his birth?
You people are ignorant!

You are an idiot!

Look stupid, Hawaii stopped issuing the long form in 2001 and what he submitted is all you can get from Hawaii now. That is according to the republican governor of Hawaii.
Birthers can't deal with having a black man as president, but don't have the balls to hate him because he's blck so they make up stupid reasons like this one.

Captain Steve,
You are a moron!

Captain Steve,
I will say again, You are a moron!

TYPICAL OBAMITE. . .ignore the facts, just call people names. Obummer loves supporters like you, classic Chicago politics. I''ll add you to the long list of reasons that I don't like obummer.

TYPICAL OBAMITE. . .ignore the facts, just call people names. Obummer loves supporters like you, classic Chicago politics. I''ll add you to the long list of reasons that I don't like obummer.

I've been a registered republican all my adult life. I just have a brain that is capable of spotting lunacy! Don't make assumptions.

I didn't say anything about your party affiliation. Who's the moron? You spot lunacy? Good, go spot yourself.

Captain Steve,
You proved my original point!

investigate all peoples names listed in this old news paper article-they all have serious links to baraq.. ann dunhams baby shower..(spirit of jefferson farms advocate) this woman has same SS#— check out DeRito also, then write me back after you investigate

http://www.footnote.com/document/53347420/phyll…

Even the American Spectator, a very conservative republican publication, has researched this issue and come to the conclusion that there is no validity to it. It is just the wingnuts that won't let it go. The Democrats love it when the unhinged on the right pursue issues like this. It makes all conservatives and republicans look like idiots.

investigate all peoples names listed in this old news paper article-they all have serious links to baraq.. ann dunhams baby shower..(spirit of jefferson farms advocate) this woman has same SS#— check out DeRito also, then write me back after you investigate

http://www.footnote.com/document/53347420/phyll…

well, the fact is that they have the same SS#.. and i traced her to Sierra club in dallas tx.. you need to wake up and smell what you are shoveling.. its all facts..

well, the fact is that they have the same SS#.. and i traced her to Sierra club in dallas tx.. you need to wake up and smell what you are shoveling.. its all facts..

Dear Captain:
I was questioning why the discovery of  a black man with a funny sounding, Muslim middle name being seated in Congress, wouldn't have made some of you suspicious enough, regardless of presidential aspirations at the time of discovery; especially since he was a liberal Democrat?  And as to the President beating his opponent by disclosing divorce papers, in order to win–is to me suspicious.  Frankly, I've never read anything about that information and would have to check into it. Slamming folks has never been Barack Obama's style–look at what he's putting up with now! Plus, I don't understand why there would be a need to “Vett” a candidate's birth certificate; especially since Americans start to present their birth certificates to enroll in school, and I had to also to enroll in TCU.

I have seen the birth certificate  displayed several times–or am I just seeing things.  It just looks like any other birth certificate to me; plus I found information contained in it by going to the TCU government records section–it's so easy to find!!  Do not trust John McCain?  McCain checked into the birth certificate issue, since his was also questioned because he was born in  Panama.  I don't get it??
 
I still don't catch on to what part of his past that he has hidden.  I've read his books, plus other literature regarding his life.  Let me square away some information.  I am a true fan of Barack  H. Obama, and have been ever since I first heard him speak.  Evidently, that lots of people felt the same way about him as I did, but in no way has simple admiratiom morphed into a cult movement,such as the “birthers” movement is beginning to look like.  I don't understand why you have absorbed the idea that Barack Obama is interested in a dictatorship, give me some proof that you have of such knowldge?  I've never considered myself an “elitist” but I have taught the “crap” you mention every day for 23 years.  It's called teaching the kids to THINK CRITICALLY.  It is demonstrating cause and effect and the ability to advance cognitive skills in young minds.  When one is really educated, really using the ability to apply reason to education and
to life, then wisdom becomes the bi-product. What is a Luddite?
 
To me, considering what I have seen so far, I cannot help but believe that the “birth certificate” fetish is hiding larger agendas–and yes, racism is there, hiding its ugly head; along with the myriad fears attending; fear is ALWAYS at the bottom line, which churns the minds of conspiracy “folks”.  Let me ask you to do something for me.  You do seem like a fairly reasonable chap.  I have searched and searched every place I know of while trying to just understand what it's all about.  But it seems to me that the longer I look the crazier some of these folks have become.  Yes, it started with the birth certificate, but it picked up speed, and that morphed into academic records, etc., etc., etc.  How long do you think that it would take Harvard University to disavow any claim that the President had made regarding his education there?  Now, today I read on one of the blogs, a lady who is sure that the Internet Encylopedia was put together by
communists, the the moon landing was false, a denier of the Holocust, etc. etc.  This lady is a grim reminder of what some “movements” attract, who is denial of “everything” and considers historical events to be conspiracies. And this is not all, some have even advanced totally incorrect information regarding everything from Hawaii not being a state, to Hawaiian officals being complete liers, and the list goes on and on. WOW! 
 
The federal government is not taking over anything; it took over Chrytler until they could get it together with a plan–and remember, like all the large companies who would have crashed completely, Obama was very aware of the many stock holders who would have lost everything, just like Enron.  You do remember Enron? Do you recall the thousands of people who lost everything, pensions and all.  The Texas Teacher Retirement system invested in Enron and the retirees have not gotten a cost of living raise since.
You seem to have dismissed the gradual deregulation, trickle down ideas as begun under the Ronald R.admin.  What about the Wall Street Scammers??  Remember, that this deregulation/oversight blunder has created, over the years, the economic situation which Barack Obama is trying to deal with now.  And where were all of you folks of richeous indignation during the Bush years??  Why weren't you demanding that he be impeached for lying us into a war–just for starters?  And by the way–what is a “peep”?
 
But sorry, I have read and taken notes on some of the “evidence” that many “birthers” have put forth on the Net, and it has all been disputed by authorities;  bit by bit of it; the latest on the list was the Indonsian passport debacle.  In summary: The Internet has provided the “birther” movement with a medium in which to gather steam; but even now, it is even being disputed by top Republicans who find it a bit too close to home. 
Reasonable people have noted that “birthers” will continue to invent new fears and new issues and will never be satisfied.  I'm afraid that the “birthers” represent a dying breed of folks who cannot compute a multi-cultural society which threatens their once dominate position as the white majority.  I am an Anglo American Texan with deep roots in my blessed America.  I have complete trust in the Consitiution (I teach it every year) and continue to be thankful for its wisdom and that it has protected us form ourselves for so long.
Bell

I have written to both my senators and twice to my congressman about this issue & they accept the green COLB as gospel. Today I e-mailed my congressman to request he not vote on any nominations or bills until the man some people refer to as “President” produces a copy of his original Birth Certificate. Our best hope is to pray and keep the pressure on our reps. Obama will continue to stonewall but the truth will ultimately come out.

HI Bell,

You do seem nice and thoughtful. That's nice to know, especially when we disagree.

Wish there was a way to chat on the phone. I don't have time to go back and forth. I'll try to answer your main points, but first I'd like to agree on the facts as YOU see them.

do you agree that:

1) constitutionally a president must be a natural born citizen?

2) there is no mechanism established to determine a candidates status?

3) obama's status was never determined by a universally acceptable neutral person or agency?

4) obama and his sister have identical live birth “certificates” and she was born in Indonesia?

5) online “documents” can easily be forged?

6) obama has spent over a million dollars to prevent any court from looking into this?

7) obama could tell Hawaii to release whatever records they have on file?

8) Three different hospitals have a “claim” on his birth (one in Kenya)?

9) his grandmother has stated on several occasions that she was present at the birth in Kenya?

10) Obama held an Indonesian passport?

ttys

Cap Steve

btw. . .”peeps” is text short code for “people.”

Dear Cap:
 
In my many years I have learned it best to agree to disagree.
 
Respectfully,
Bell
Hey–write when you feel the urge!

Dear Cap
 
Forgot to mention that I have not had time to give you  thoughtful answers.  I will ponder on this over the weekend. I will be totally honest in my review of your points.  You must remember that our concerns about present issues, like the birth cert. for instance, might not jell, simply because of how we have prioritized things. I will do my best, Cap–
Bell

You must remember that our concerns about present issues, like the birth cert. for instance, might not jell.

Honest open minded peeps can disagree on interpretations, but they can't disagree about facts.

all of my questions to you were to establish agreement on facts. obamites never want to do that. they'd rather call me a racist or the like to stay away from factual discussion.

best wishes

Steve

The responses to your questions are below, but let me ask you some questions first:
1. Do you accept that the Director of the State of Hawaii's Department of Health issued a 31 October 2008 press release stating that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures” and referred to it as “this vital record”?

2. Do you accept that what the Director said is true?

3. Why would the Hawaii DoH have, as part of its 'vital records' a record of an 'original birth certificate' of Mr Obama if it is not a birth certificate issued by Hawaii?

4. Why would the Republican Governor state that Mr Obama was born in Hawaii unless it was true?

As to your questions, which I deal with below. You have

1) constitutionally a president must be a natural born citizen?

Yes

2) there is no mechanism established to determine a candidates status?

Yes, it can be brought before the Courts for a decision. To date, the Courts have dismissed all such cases.

3) obama's status was never determined by a universally acceptable neutral person or agency?
Since some people do not accept court decisions, they are not, literally, 'universally acceptable'. But under the US Constitution, their decisions must be accepted.

4) obama and his sister have identical live birth “certificates” and she was born in Indonesia?
This is not accepted. First, you can't mean 'identical' – they must have different names and dates of birth! Second, where is your verified copy of his sister's birth certificate stating she was born in Hawaii?

5) online “documents” can easily be forged?
Agreed that an image can be posted on the internet when the object pictured does not exist. But State of Hawaii officials confirm that they hold the original records. The 'internet document' is not the basis for belief.

6) obama has spent over a million dollars to prevent any court from looking into this?
I don't know. Do you have any evidence of Obama's expenditure?

7) obama could tell Hawaii to release whatever records they have on file?
I agree. Obama can waive any privacy of his. But he does not have to.

8) Three different hospitals have a “claim” on his birth (one in Kenya)?
I don't know: where is the evidence that a Kenyan hospital claimed he was born there? Even if they do claim that, so what? He can't have been born in three hospitals, can he? So at least two of them are wrong. So why do you rely on what they say?

9) his grandmother has stated on several occasions that she was present at the birth in Kenya?
I don't agree. Where is your evidence for that?

10) Obama held an Indonesian passport?
I don't agree. Where is your evidence for that?

If you do want to refer us to evidence of your disputed allegations, please make sure that its of the same quality as that which Mr Obama has provided: eg statements from government officials responsible for holding official records.

However, you can't refer us to an announcement by the Kenyan authorities that Obama was born there, or an announcement by the Indonesian authorities that he was born there – because there haven't been any. And you can't show us a verified birth certificate for anyplace other than Hawaii – because there isn't one. Any you can't even show us a newspaper announcement of his birth anywhere – except for the two from his date of birth in Hawaiian newspapers.

I look foward to seeing your response.

Challenges Deployment, Military strangely revokes order the day before trial, then Dept of Defense pressures CEO to fire him (stated by CEO).

Hmmm, a logical person would say that Obama is hiding something very damaging.

I notice he didn't respond. Typical Birther. Hit 'em with logic and facts, ask them for proof or evidence, and they run and hide. Show the proof and hard evidence, they cry “forged” or “faked.”

Well articulated argument, Steve. “Sane” America is proud of you.

You are an idiot!

Cook all of a sudden becomes a CO????? If I believed it even a little I may feel sorry for him but after reading his posts on right wing forums over the past several months it is apparent he is a sissy that though he had a way out of deployment……..I hope the dishonorable discharge he gets fits his sissy little butt well.

Still Obama refuses to produce his original BC, Indonesian adoption records , any school or college records are under wraps, the draft-registration cloudiness and the passport to Pakistan in 1981, evidence he has used more than one Social Security#, and the government gag-order on his family in Kenya look a little suspicious almost as if the birthers are right.

Oh look, an idiot! How unexpected.

He's a volunteer reservist. A VR can request deployment, but later file to cancel that deployment, which the DOD will do automatically without harm to his record.

Hiya Tailgunner Joe! The evil spirit of McCarthy lives on in the wingnut base of the GOP, doesn't it?

lol– do something useful and go check barack obama obituary–

[...] I have no agenda here, except to say that the American People have a right to know whether or not our potential president has completed a basic step in educating herself. It’s not like I would file lawsuit after nuisance lawsuit (warning- 90’s site design screams “crank”, or claim that my Commander-in-Chief is not a “real President” in order to get out of ser… [...]

Just call people names — Obamite Obummer — Pot meet Kettle

CaptainSteve

just call peple names — Obamite Obummer – you freepers your so cute when you're angry

And every point made by the birthers has been refuted time and time again. Prove he wasn’t born in the US. Provide a certificate from another country. You are the one making the claims, PROVE IT.

The birthers are crazy, or are just such sore losers they can’t stand themselves

There was NO travel ban to Pakistan in 1981. Do some research and quitting spewing the same old junk.

The fact is, Obama's birth was certified by every major government agency as required by law. Obama's birth was certified by the state of his birth. Obama's birth was certified by the Secret Service and FBI, people appointed by GW Bush. And, that alleged claim by his grandmother was refuted by his grandmother, but that part doesn't make it to the internet very often.

You should see what I got issued as a birth certificate, or my daughter. But I know we were both born in the US. I was there for both births.

Your wrong. It wasn't certified. I wrote the Calif sec of State. They said, “not their job.”

Half of you obamites say he can't be questioned, because the documents were destroyed or it's illegal to see them. The other half say he was certified. Which is it?

As far as me proving it, that's all I want to do, but he is hiding all the documents. That tells me he's hiding something. You can beleieve what you like.

He can't hide forever.

The records from a Honolulu title search, obtained by WND, document 6085 Kalanianaole Highway was purchased in 1958 by Orland Scott Lefforge, a University of Hawaii professor, and his wife/companion Thelma Young, who lived at the property and remained owners into the 1970s.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

And the Globe is running an article about obama’s fake birth certificate. Granted they’re a “gossip rag” but then “The Enquirer” busted John Edwards in spite of denial after denial by him and all the major news agencies.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

The questions won’t go away until obama releases his hidden records. All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!!

omg. . .lest someone has a spaz, it should have been “you're” wrong.

OMG steve, by that stretch of logic you're hiding something. Since you won't give your real name, address, phone, complete educational history, etc, etc, etc.

“As far as me proving it, that's all I want to do, but he is hiding all the documents. That tells me he's hiding something. You can beleieve what you like.”

But, do you know that in Communist countries, there are no privacy issues and rights to privacy? Is that what you want to live in, a communist country? Not me.

Jim, You are so far below me I may as well be debating a 3rd grader. Grow up. You'll have to get your own education. Good luck.