Key Birther Lawyer Was Disbarred … In 2004

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Monday, July 20, 2009 at 11:02 am

One of the more amusing quirks of the “birther” movement is the quality of the legal minds in whom Obama birth certificate obsessives are placing their trust — and their occasional donations. Phil Berg, the original “birther” lawyer, has been forced to pay out sanctions for legal malpractice. Orly Taitz, famously, got her law degree from an online correspondence school. And it turns out that Charles Lincoln, who has been assisting Taitz — he provided judges with amended complaints in Keyes et al v. Obama et al last week and he showed up at the last hearing on the case— has been disbarred in California, as well as Florida and Texas.

From the May 2004 issue of the California Bar Journal, which reported on the matter:

In 2000, Lincoln was convicted in Texas on a federal charge of falsely representing his Social Security number, a felony. As a result, he gave up his license to practice in the state.

Originally charged with five felonies, the case resulted from Lincoln applying for a checking account using a false Social Security number.

In a second matter, he was disbarred from U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas after a federal judge requested an investigation of Lincoln because two of his clients had a falsified receipt. The receipt purported to be from the federal court clerk and represented funds the clients had given Lincoln. The clients believed Lincoln was depositing their money in an escrow account related to their case.

Two days before a hearing by the federal court’s admissions committee, Lincoln went to his clients’ home, instructed them not to tell the judge that he gave them the receipt, which he asked them not to produce, and he gave the clients a cashier’s check for $6,000. He did not appear at the hearing.

In a previous lawsuit, the same judge determined that Lincoln was involved in discovery abuse and filed duplicative motions. The judge issued sanctions and dismissed the lawsuit with prejudice.

At the July 12 hearing on the Keyes complaint, Lincoln identified himself as a “law clerk.” The eyewitness report of that hearing is worth reading, since it contradicts with Taitz’s original, hilarious report of a judge who took her seriously. Actually, Judge David Carter spent a lot of time trying to get Taitz to stop wasting the court’s time with antics such as reading her complaint into the record.

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332 Comments

jdoug6
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

Looking forward to your commentary on Michelle Obama's 'voluntary surrender' of her Illinois law license in 1993, not to mention Obama's perjurious Illinois State Bar application (e.g., citizenship status, names changes, social security numbers, etc.). Of course, those paper trails have been sealed, which apparently was not done in the case of Charles Lincoln. As for Orly Taitz's law degree from an 'online correspondence school,' the William Howard Taft Law School is fully accredited by the California State Bar and provides both classroom and online instruction. I would remind you that Taitz passed the State Bar on her first attempt. As you are aware, bloggers have suggested that she cannot invoke reciprocity (pro hac vice) because she is not a member of the American Bar Association (ABA). The ABA is a trade organization like the American Medical Association (AMA). Such an affiliation has nothing to do with individual attorney accreditation or the ability to practice law within a given jurisdiction. Also Taitz is highly educated and speaks five languages (thus the constant carping that she often misspells words and suffers from fractured syntax). The recurring slam on Philip Berg is quite old and irrelevant. Berg is licensed to practice law in Pennsylvania. He is a former assistant attorney general of that state.

Please stop you recycled garbage and ad hominum attacks. Your tactics are highly transparent.


jackal2
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

A person capable enough to obtain a law license without formal education is someone a lot smarter than you. We're fed up with your Eastern pompous attitude of superiority. If Hollywood required degrees, 90 percent of celebrities wouldn't've made it, and we'd have buffoons for talent, like we've always had for politicians. If we did away with academic nepotism, replacing with actual aptitude, our nation's problems would evaporate, including you. You're grabbing from the bottom of the barrel if all you have on Taitz is her court-room behavior. When it comes to objectivity, you're about as indiscriminate as a swine hog at a slop pail.


strangely_enough
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

“A person capable enough to obtain a law license without formal education is someone a lot smarter than you.”
Actually, given the evidence, no they are not.
And, “[i]f we did away with academic nepotism…” we would never have had a G.W. Bush presidency, so maybe you have something there…


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

To birthers, crazy = smart. The crazier you are, the smarter they think you are. They live in the Bizarro World.


gimmeabreak
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

Birfers,

Answer me this: If there is so much overwhelming evidence of Usurper fraud, treason, conspiracy, cover-up, criminal activity and general ugliness, why aren't the best and brightest of the country's attorneys and law firms on this?

I mean, seriously – if it is all you say, people should be falling all over themselves to represent “We the People” on this issue. The fees alone could pay millions, let alone the resulting civil suits after the Obama administration and the whole of Congress are frog-marched out of Washington to Gitmo or Leavenworth in chains, right?

Why is it that your motley “movement” pretty much only has Orly (no law firm experience, almost no courtroom experience) now and her disbarred felon of a “law clerk”?

Where are the other 1,143,357 attorneys in this country? Are they all Obots that have been gotten to?


Major Debacle
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

“Looking forward to your commentary on Michelle Obama's 'voluntary surrender' of her Illinois law license in 1993, not to mention Obama's perjurious Illinois State Bar application (e.g., citizenship status, names changes, social security numbers, etc.). Of course, those paper trails have been sealed…”

Along with the infamous “whitey tape”.

I guess the world will never know. </sarc>


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Try and wrap your wee mind around the fact that there's a thing such as a Beltway establishment. People like Weigel are just tiny little cogs in that machine. The establishment has decreed that BHO is a citizen, end of story. Thus, you have hacks like Weigel lying, misleading, and smearing instead of doing anything approaching real reporting.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

See, that's the difference between me and Weigel. I actually called IL about that and then printed what they said, even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear.

Weigel wouldn't do something like that in this case. He's repeatedly refused to simply pick up the phone and get the answers to these questions. Because, if he did, his world would come crashing down. It would be like finding out that Xenu doesn't exist.


gimmeabreak
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

Funny, birfer. I'm sure all those lawyers in the bible belt and the midwest would love to hear that their part of the 'beltway establishment”.

Now answer my question.


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Try and wrap your wee mind around the fact that there's a thing such as a Beltway establishment. People like Weigel are just tiny little cogs in that machine.

Weigel is part of the beltway establishment? You haven't a clue what you're talking about. No surprise there, though.

The establishment has decreed that BHO is a citizen, end of story.

No, Hawaii certified Obama's birth in that state, making him a United States citizen.

Thus, you have hacks like Weigel lying, misleading, and smearing instead of doing anything approaching real reporting.

We understand that in the Bizarro World of the birthers, real reporting (such as that done by Weigel) is seen as lying, misleading, and smearing, but it might do you all some good to realize that the sane folks all know that up is not down, left is not right, and two plus two does not equal five.


patgund
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

jdoug6 – Let's see:

1) It is not at all uncommon for lawyers who are not practicing to give up their licenses for a period of time. Continuing education requirements and insurance makes it expensive to keep if one is not using it. If she had been disbarred or gave up the license due to disciplinary actions, it would be listed in the attorney report.

2) There is no evidence that Barack Obama practiced law under any other name except “Barack Obama”.

3) You do know that “Deputy Attorney General” for Pennsylvania can cover up to four levels, from entry level on up, right? http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/theoffice.aspx?i…

“The Deputy Attorney General Classification Plan utilized by the Office of Attorney General provides for a Law Clerk class and a series of six (6) Deputy Attorney General class levels. Each level, except the Chief Deputy Attorney General and Executive Deputy Attorney General is assigned a pay range with established salaries. The plan provides a uniform system of compensation and incorporates the feature of progression by allowing each Deputy Attorney General to progress in relation to his or her level of duties and responsibilities, as well as performance and experience. Progression through the class series is based upon the principle of reclassifying the position to a higher level, except for the Chief Deputy Attorney General and Executive Deputy Attorney General classes, when the incumbent is satisfactorily performing the duties and responsibilities of the higher level and meets the minimum experience requirements.”

If Berg was a “Deputy Attorney General I”, then he was a fresh out of law school rookie. What level was he?


patgund
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

jdoug6 – As for Orly Taitz, you do know that she can't practice law outside of the State of California unless she has a sponsoring local attorney, due to the fact that her law school was unaccredited by the ABA. And actually it's accredited by the State of California, but NOT the California Bar Association. Check for yourself under “Unaccredited Law Schools in California”

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_ge…


Ryan C
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

“the William Howard Taft Law School is fully accredited by the California State Bar and provides both classroom and online instruction.”

From the William Howard Taft Law School

“Recognition by the State Bar of California
The Committee of Bar Examiners of the State Bar of California requires all distance education law schools to include the information set forth below in their catalog. As described in greater detail in the Taft Law School Catalog Supplements, the School utilizes both telecommunications and independent study learning modalities in its Juris Doctor Programs.

The Committee of Bar Examiners classifies distance education law schools into two categories, “distance-learning law schools” and “correspondence law schools.” By rule, a “distance-learning law school” must require that students participate in not less than 135 hours of synchronous (live) interactive classes per year.

Because Taft Law School students reside in many time zones, Taft faculty believe it would be an unreasonable hardship to require students to be available on specific days and at specific times. Therefore, it has NOT implemented any policies that would require its students to participate in live classes. As a result, for Committee of Bar Examiners purposes Taft Law School has elected to be classified as a correspondence law school. (It is important for students to note that this classification has no bearing whatsoever on a student’s eligibility to sit for the bar examination or admission to practice law in California.)

The method of instruction at Taft Law School for the Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree program is principally by correspondence. Students enrolled in either of the Juris Doctor-Attorney Track Programs at Taft Law School who successfully complete the first year of law study must pass the First-Year Law Students’ Examination required by Business and Professions Code § 6060(h) as part of the requirements to qualify to take the California Bar Examination. A student who passes the First-Year Law Students’ Examination within three (3) administrations of the examination after first becoming eligible to take it will receive credit for all legal studies completed to the time the examination is passed. A student who does not pass the examination within three (3) administrations of the examination after first becoming eligible to take it must be promptly disqualified from the law school’s Juris Doctor-Attorney Track Program. If the dismissed student subsequently passes the examination, the student is eligible for re-enrollment in this law school’s Juris Doctor-Attorney Track Program but will receive credit for only one year of legal study.

Study at, or graduation from, this law school may not qualify a student to take the bar examination or to satisfy the requirements for admission to practice in jurisdictions other than California. A student intending to seek admission to practice law in a jurisdiction other than California should contact the admitting authority in that jurisdiction for information regarding the legal education requirements in that jurisdiction for admission to the practice of law.

Reading that law school BS, one begins to understand why Orly views her defeats as victories.


captainsteve
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

obamabots. . .ask yourselves:

why doesn't he show the long-form?

doesn't that bother you? if not, you really are twisted.

If Obama has a long-form, why doesn’t he show it? If he doesn’t have one, why not? People that hide things, usually have something to hide. He works for us. We have a right to know! We have a right to demand it!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to send a message to Obama and to EVERY OTHER POTENTIAL VIOLATOR OF OUR RULE OF LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o…

.


gimmeabreak
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

All-caps screamer:

It does not bother me. Most people don't have a long-form birth certificate in their possession. Hawaii stopped producing them, in favor of the computer-generated form seen on factcheck.org, years ago.

What President, or candidate for office, has produced a long-form birth certificate? What was the last one you saw from either? Did you see Bush's or McCain's? How about Palin's or Clinton's or Cheney's?

Show me what rule, statute or law requires a candidate for office to produce a “long form” or any other birth certificate.


Kansasguy
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Real cute Joe the Plumber type of strategy. This issue is about Obama, not the people bringing the actions. Why not call this website “Another Obama Drone, rather than trying to masquerade it as objective journalism? How about an article explaining exactly how Obama is eligible under the Contstitution and Minor v. Happersett?


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Kansasbirtherguy,

Minor v. Happersett, despite the claims of know-nothing birthers, did not rule on the issue of citizenship at all, though it was discussed. The precedent is United States v. Wong Kim Ark, in which the court found that children born in the United States to foreign parents are in fact US citizens. Not that it is relevant, of course, as Barack Obama's mother was a citizen, and he is perfectly eligible under the Constitution.


gimmeabreak
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Crikey. No wonder these birfers consider Dr. Orly “Lady Liberty” “Joan of Arc” Taitz as the best lawyer evah! Compared to them, she's real bright and smart and stuff.


strangely_enough
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

All caps = deluxe.

And, inconvenient evidence to the contrary is only something to ignore.


Cap'n Crunch
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

“People that hide things, usually have something to hide.”

Out of the mouths of baboons.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

How many GOP congress critters and Senators are lawyers? Are they all in on the conspiracy? And you still haven't answered as to whether it is the Reptilians, the Greys, the Illuminati, or the Snorgensmurfer Alliance that is secretly plotting to do whatever evil you contend is being plotted. I suspect you are already deeply compromised by your close association with the infernal Snorgensmurfer Alliance. They say once you go Snorgensmurfer, you never really can come all the way back.


Elsbeth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Hey Sam Sewell (assuming it is you based on you website plug),

Perhaps you should come clean with your clients…that lie that you can't become certified as a “pastoral psychoanalyst” because of the separation of church and state laws? Bull crap…state of FL, the state you live in, has no problem with it.

Birfers lie about everything. It is a symptom of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Orly lies about working Pro Bono…big ol' paypal button on her site. There isn't a single shred of proof in any of her cases. Or on her blog. And she is just plagiarizing Phil Berg's work anyway.

And Berg. Hmmm. Big ol' paypal button there as well. But Phil is a known scammer…just ask his clients in his 9/11 scam.

And now the birfers have turned on each other. Team Berg is suing Team Orly for over 6 BILLION dollars. But, it is all about the constitution.

How are those citizen grand juries working out for you all? Massive Epic Fail.

You would think, that after a year, someone would come up with evidence supporting their claim. Hasn't happened because there is no evidence showing that Obama is not a NBC.

The State of Hawaii has stated that the info on the COLB shown of factcheck.org is representative of the data from the 1961 archived birth info. The COLB presented by Obama, in it's physical form is all that the Federal Gov requires. Since US Senator's are required to prove their citizenship and show their BC before starting their term in the Senate, it is a logical conclusion to believe that Obama's BC is legit. But, you want a copy mailed to your house, don't ya?

This will never end. Regardless of what info you are provided, you will always claim that Obama lied, or the doctors lied or the government lied or that the USSC doesn't take Vattel into consideration.

Obama Derangement Syndrome. Get treated birfers!


Elsbeth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

You comment just proves one of many points. Birfers lie. If they don't get what they want it is because the gov “sealed” the info.

All the gov requires for proof of citizenship is a BC. Obama did us the great favor of sharing his with the world. The State of Hawaii, both the Governor and the DoH, have said that they have viewed the original BC and that it has he same info as the COLB on factcheck.

The Government is satisfies as are all but you .0000065% of Americans…all 100 of you birfers.

What is pathetic is that you give $$$$ to Taitz and Berg. Hasn't gotten you squat has it?


Elsbeth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

“As for Orly Taitz's law degree from an 'online correspondence school,' the William Howard Taft Law School is fully accredited by the California State Bar and provides both classroom and online instruction. I would remind you that Taitz passed the State Bar on her first attempt. As you are aware, bloggers have suggested that she cannot invoke reciprocity (pro hac vice) because she is not a member of the American Bar Association (ABA).”

1) Call Taft and you will be told that they are accredited by the State but NOT BY THE CA BAR!!! They are different things.

2) Call Taft and ask them about their lack of in-class educational requirements. They only offer correspondence courses. Easy to confirm with your computer or your phone.

3) Taitz says she is a member of the ABA. She posted a membership card from 2004. When asked for an updated copy, she said she lost it, and requested a new one. Has she? No.

Why does Orly say that she is a member of the ABA??? She is lying.

Finally, prove that Orly passed the bar on her first try. I have followed Orly for a year and have never seen her state that.

But proof is only for birfers, huh.

How much have you donated to these scammers? And how do you feel about Orly's new best friend, Lincoln, a known financial felon???


patgund
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

captainsteve – ” People that hide things, usually have something to hide”

Indeed. Maybe you should “Polarik” then why he's hiding his real identity, training, education, and background.

Seems funny that you all accept the claims of “forgery” from someone who won't give his reality identity or proof he is he says he is.


SamR
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

Kansasguy,

I applaud your efforts and can only hope that you do your best to make the “birth certificate” issue the primary Republican message in the 2010 and 2012 elections.

I believe that the American people will treat your argument that Obama was actually secretly born in Kenya, or Indonesia, or (if we believe Pam Gellar of Atlas Shrugs) was born in the US (but his biological father is Malcolm X!) with the amount of seriousness it deserves.


captainsteve
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

I'd like to know who Polarik is, but “anonymity” doesn't automatically make his logic defective.

I don't say it's a forgery. I say it's short form B/C which was available in 1961 to non-Hawaiian born babies. Therefore, I want to see the long-form to confirm natural-born status as the constitution requires.

Do you believe in abiding by the law?


patgund
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

There is more evidence to support the belief that President Obama was born in the United States, than there is to support any of the background, experience, and education claims of “Polarik”.

Yes, I believe in abiding by the law. In the year that I have been writing about these claims, I have yet to see any form of credible evidence to support them or that any laws were broken.


jdoug6
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

Elsbeth,

Taitz's successful completion at Taft with the presumed Juris Doctor degree
(J.D.) allowed her to sit for the California Bar Exam. If she completed the
J.D. curriculum by correspondence, all the more reason to admire her.
Practicing dentistry and raising a family would have presented significant
obstacles in the absence of the classroom environment in which students
interact with each other and with law school faculty. That is what I mean by
state bar accredited. Without that rite of passage, she would not have been
allowed to sit for the bar exam. She may not be a member of the Orange
County Bar Association (www.*ocbar*.org <http://www.ocbar.org>), a
trade group like the ABA for example, but is licensed in California to
practice law (
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_deta…). The
current controversy appears to be her ability to practice law, say, in
Georgia as she did last week as legal counsel to Major Cook, or if she is
qualified to argue before the U.S. Supreme Court. She is certainly qualified
to argue in California federal district court as she has and will continue
to do over the coming weeks and months before Judge David O. Carter. As for
passing the bar on her first attempt, I believe that she was the source of
that factoid (not particularly relevant to our discussion here; she passed
the bar). Our distinguished mayor of Los Angeles (I live in LA) Antonio
Villaraigosa took and failed the bar exam four (4) times and to this
day remains unlicensed, notwithstanding a law degree from the People's
College of Law (like that Marxist ring?). Presumably he has and continues to
enjoy the confidence of Hillary Clinton when he served on her campaign
committee, and now serves in an advisory role for the Obama
administration. Please feel free to lambaste him with the same kind of
invective that you persist in hurling at Taitz.

I suggest you devote as much energy in determining why Michelle Obama (nee
Robinson) lost her Illinois law license in 1993 as to Taitz's qualifications
to practice law. Those records appear to be sealed (surprise!). Why a
Harvard Law School graduate would give up her licence after less than four
years of practice begs the question: what are you hiding, Michelle? The
Anointed One's (a.k.a. Barry Obama/Soetoro/Obama) has also sealed his
Illinois State Bar records. I suspect that if those 'vaulted' documents were
to see the light of day (as with his real birth certificate which can't be
accessed because the State of Hawaii will only release it to Barry
['tangible interest'] and he doesn't appear to be in any hurry. Perhaps
you might spring for the fee?) we might discover a treasure trove of
inconsistent information (e.g., illegal name changes not disclosed, multiple
social security numbers, false citizenship status, etc.) which he provided
on his bar application, all grounds for disbarment under any other
circumstance.

Finally, ease up on your ad hominem attacks on Orly (although she could
easily take you on any day with her black belt in the martial arts), and get
to the substance of the matter. I would be the first to admit that Taitz is
not a seasoned litigator. However, she and other patriotic lawyers and
non-lawyers have courageously decided to take on the most powerful man in
the world, a man who doesn't belong in the Oval Office because he has
usurped the office of president. I fear that like a cornered or caged
animal, Obama will not willingly submit to the rule of law and the
constitution and go quietly into that good night of political exile (if not
prison for treason). But the jig will soon be up. I just hope and pray that
the country survives the national trauma. Birthgate is not Watergate redux.
It is on a whole different level because so many people like you have
emotionally invested in the first black president, not to mention your
presumed fanatical attraction to his socialist/Marxist agenda. But his poll
numbers are now in free fall as he attempts a government takeover of
healthcare. That misstep, coupled with a failed stimulus package and
unprecedented debt (on your and my backs, not to mention future generations
should they have a country to claim), will make his removal from office
easier, but not easy by any stretch. It will require people like you with a
presumed messianic view of Obama to let it go and to realize that you and
millions of other Americans were had big time last November. Good luck with
that!


dick1234
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

When are we going to get a court in the United States to hear all of the evidence accumulated? The court should rule in favor of the citizens of the United States and all of this stuff should be brought to a conclusion now.


xcott
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:35 am

Sounds like the old joke about the fastest karate chop in the world: want to see all the evidence for our conspiracy theory? Want to hear it again?


majii
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:57 am

There's only one point to the continued questioning of the legitimacy of America's first African American POTUS, and it is that he is African American. You can attempt to justify it any way you choose but this is the reason, plain and simple. I've been dealing with people like this all of my life. I taught their children, and even though I have a teaching certificate based on passing the required test, many of my parents still couldn't see past my race. I taught their children, the majority of whom passed the standards-based test in the subject, and went on to graduate from high school. African Americans, Jewish persons, Hispanics, LBGT persons, Arabs, etc. are generally suspect when dealing with people like the birthers. President Obama and the groups in the former sentence will never meet the standards of certain members of this society. They seek not the truth, but dissension in all of its forms. Arguing with them does no good because they believe what they believe because it gives them a sense of being superior to any other group/person, but it doesn't make them right. I take solace in knowing who and what I am, so what they say doesn't matter to me. I say to them, “have at it,” because for all of their ranting, raving, and lawsuits, Barack Hussein Obama will remain the POTUS. The majority of Americans spoke with their votes on November 4, 2008, and that is that.


Pug
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:51 am

Wrong, conspiracy breath!

This is all about the people bringing the actions. They're a bunch of nuts.


Chad S.
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Alright, so the birthers are demanding: a film of Obama being born in Hawaii with Don Ho holding of that morning's newspaper right next to him as his umbilical cord is being cut, while Carl Hayden and Strom Thurmond(the Senior Senators of both parties the day he was born) both singing hawaiian versions of the top 5 billboard songs of that week on the charts in a lei? And at least 3 federal judges to act as witnesses for said event in the delivery room? Is that the proof they're looking for?


gimmeabreak
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:20 am

If you had that, Chad, the birfers would say that the film with Ho was a Hollywood libtard studio mock-up (see moon-landing deniers) and that Hayden, Thurmond and the judges had been bought off by Soviets via Frank Marshall Davis who is also the real father.


Elsbeth
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:35 am

You are confused on so many levels. Please join us at politijab.com where we can converse about the many issue you raise.

I am happy to discuss this with you in more detail. I am LM K at politijab.com.

That said, I will not ease up on Orly. The woman is mentally ill and she is taking advantage of people who don't know any better. She is now working with a felon who has been disbarred in 3 states for financial fraud. This is against CA, GA and FL State bar rules and endangers every single case she has, including her suit with Berg. She is joining this felon (Charles Lincoln) in his foreclosure scam…see her website for details. There is plenty of info on Lincoln online and we have lots of it on PJ.

Like it or not, all Obama has to do is sow his BC…which he has done. He was born in Hawaii. You don't have to believe it. You can create little fantasies about him losing his citizenship when he was 6. The reality is that he was born in Hawaii to an American mother. He is a NBC and is POTUS.

Again, you don't have to like it, but it will be a very long 3.5-7.5 years for you.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 8:12 am

Yep. And Bubba (the poor, bedraggled hubby of The Woman With One Eyebrow), facing disbarment for perjury in 2001, pre-emptively resigned from the bar that November.

Shysters get disciplined by the bar associations to which they belong. Not often enough, certainly, but commingling funds is a trap into which thousands of lawyers have stumbled, and it looks as if Lincoln tried some of the more “creative” ways to get his butt out of that crack.

Disbarment keeps a lawyer from acting as an attorney of record. Does it keep him from assisting another attorney in a “clerking” function?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 8:20 am

Nah. It's because he's a friggin' socialist, a Chicago machine politician (and almost inevitably dirty as all hell), a Keynesian, and a goddam disaster.

If he were red-haired, blue-eyed, freckled, and going by the name of “O'Mara” instead of “Obama,” he should be hunted down like a dog and thrown into a federal prison, just for the sake of the nation's safety and well-being.

Given his sweaty, straining, struggling effort to stonewall every last jot and tittle of his past history – starting with those ludicrous cobbled-together Frankenstein monsters of computer graphic images released by his campaign in June 2008, indicative of his inability to cough up even the least little bit of proof that he was qualified under Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution even to RUN for the presidency – its obvious that he's vulnerable in dozens of ways, and therefore that's how we get him.

And get him we must, before he continues raping the American economy to its complete ruination. We've had all the Keynesian child molesting bankster abuse we can possibly suffer. There's no margin left for this Mombasa Miracle Man's depredations, and Barry's got to go.


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stevemustang
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 9:19 am

SHM.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Disbarment keeps a lawyer from acting as an attorney of record. Does it keep him from assisting another attorney in a “clerking” function?
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Depending on what state we are talking about, and what EXACTLY he is doing, the answer is often YES. Go check the Rules of Professional Conduct, in CA, Orly must notify both the CA Bar and all clients about any disbarred lawyer “assisting” her in her cases. She has not mentioned doing as much…and given her track record it is doubtful she has done so.


bob
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

I have a sister who has a short form certificate from Hawaii. Very similiar to Obama's one online. My sisters certificate says she was born in Hawaii, BUT she was actually born in Germany. If she were to request the original from Hawaii it would duly note this. She can not prove natural born citizenship in Hawaii.

Knowing this, Obama's certificate simply proves nothing. This same information is available on the Hawaii state website.

Pretty simple stuff buy man a live, there are people trying to deceive people or otherwise confuse people. This article goes after the lawyers to try to deceive people from the actual issue. I am sure plenty of people fall for it but if you do your own investigating from facts, not news articles, you will come to a conclusion that yes, Obama has not proved where he is born. End of story.


disbar_ALL_the_birfoon_lawyers
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_ge…

CA Rules of Professional Conduct

Saying, in part:

(1) “Employ” means to engage the services of another, including employees, agents, independent contractors and consultants, regardless of whether any compensation is paid;

and, later:

(D) Prior to or at the time of employing a person the member knows or reasonably should know is a disbarred, suspended, resigned, or involuntarily inactive member, the member shall serve upon the State Bar written notice of the employment, including a full description of such person's current bar status. The written notice shall also list the activities prohibited in paragraph (B) and state that the disbarred, suspended, resigned, or involuntarily inactive member will not perform such activities. The member shall serve similar written notice upon each client on whose specific matter such person will work, prior to or at the time of employing such person to work on the client's specific matter. The member shall obtain proof of service of the client's written notice and shall retain such proof and a true and correct copy of the client's written notice for two years following termination of the member's employment with the client.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 5:29 am

Hey Sam Sewell (assuming it is you based on you website plug),

Perhaps you should come clean with your clients…that lie that you can't become certified as a “pastoral psychoanalyst” because of the separation of church and state laws? Bull crap…state of FL, the state you live in, has no problem with it.

Nope. You're wrong. The only state that licenses pastoral psychotherapists (not pastoral psychoanalyst, I don't thing there is such a thing) is New Hampshire. However:

Psychology today verification here: http://www.therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/v…


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 5:33 am

Lawyers and politicians, be they Republican or Democrat, are not part of the solution. One can not rely on any government official or the courts to save the nation from this man. We the people must do it.

The govermnet is involved in a conspiracy against the people.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson

“Conservatives are enemies of the government. Liberals are enemies of the nation because they are not enemies of the government.”
Aristotle the Hun

Somehow, you know its coming. That OMG moment is just around the corner. You can feel the inescapable reality creeping up on you. Something will leak. Someone will spill the beans.

“For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.” Luke 8:17

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o…


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 5:42 am

“Elsbeth”

My goodness what a misinformed person:

Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines, a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit that states, in part:

After reviewing Dr. Polarik’s analysis, Sandra Lines says, “I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Dr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is posted at U. S. Law Blog.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:34 am

Barack Obama poll below George Bush

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/barac…


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:53 am

Much as I appreciate the public choice school of economics, and acknowledge the inclinations of “the Malevolent Jobholder” to collude with his fellows to gull, cully, and diddle the private citizenry, I don't know as their actions necessarily rise to the level of a “conspiracy against the people.”

I think it's merely something like a public square suddenly struck by an onslaught of street thieves, pickpockets, and muggers, each of them acting independently for their own grasping gain, the whole giving the appearance of a planned work in concert.

Jeez, but there's just so MANY of the “prehensile gentry.”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:57 am

Hardly matters. I hated him the moment he appeared on the national scene. Now I'm supposed to hate him more – or less? – as his brain-dead worshipers turn upon him?

I didn't think much of the opinions of “the pee-pul” when they voted for him. Why should I think anything of their opinions now?


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:59 am

“acknowledge the inclinations of “the Malevolent Jobholder” to with his fellows to gull, cully, and diddle the private citizen”

I think you just defined “conspiracy”; collude indeed.

And a hat tip to your eloquence and intellect.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:05 am

Republicans over Dems on 8 out of 10 key issues

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/repub…

Rejoice! The people awaken!


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:08 am

O.B.A.M.A.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/obama…


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:42 am

Still not “conspiracy.” Might as well call a school of piranha a “conspiracy.” They don't need a leader, or a plan, or even a call of “Come and get it!” They just muscle in and start feeding.

Ever wonder about the psychopathological characteristics of the government official, Ari?

When I've had the chance, I've been able to trace the average cop back into a childhood history of schoolyard bullying. A normative personality disorder, if you will, arising from a history of inability to develop meaningful consensual relationships with peers and those less physically adept in the rough-and-tumble of male youth, and a chronic fixation upon the perverse reinforcement to be gotten in the achievement of dominance. Really sick little kids growing up to be really sick adults.

(( I remember a Dennis the Menace cartoon from the '50s, a single-panel item showing a highway cop walking away from Dennis' father's car, obviously after having written out a traffic ticket, and Dennis is hanging out the rear window, anger on his face and shouting at the policeman: “STRUT, you big bully!” ))


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:07 am

RESOLVED:: Persons who seek leadership positions constitute a group with a high risk for psychological problems and in the public interest they must be tested by more than one independent diagnostic psychologist before their name can be placed on the ballot.

Link to archived “Sam and Bunny’s Call the Shrink” talk radio program – Personality Disorders and World Leaders
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Sentinel_Radio/200…

Is the President Diagnosable? DSM-IV-301.81
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/is-pr…

The Narcissist as Liar and Con-man
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/01/narci…

Barack Obama – Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/obama.html

Do You Recognize Barack Obama in These Texts?http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/obama1.html

NPD and Paranoia
http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/se… Repetition Complex and Fear of Intimacy (see re paranoia)

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissist… pathological narcissism:http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/npdglance.html

Download “Narcissistic and Psychopathic Leaders”http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/freebooks.html


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:17 am

RESOLVED:: Persons who seek leadership positions constitute a group with a high risk for psychological problems and in the public interest they must be tested by more than one independent diagnostic psychologist before their name can be placed on the ballot.

Link to archived “Sam and Bunny’s Call the Shrink” talk radio program – Personality Disorders and World Leaders

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Sentinel_Radio/200…

Is the President Diagnosable? DSM-IV-301.81
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/is-pr…

The Narcissist as Liar and Con-man
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/01/narci…

Barack Obama – Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/obama.html

Do You Recognize Barack Obama in These Texts?http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/obama1.html

NPD and Paranoia
http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/se… Repetition Complex and Fear of Intimacy (see re paranoia)

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissist… pathological narcissism:http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/npdglance.html

Download “Narcissistic and Psychopathic Leaders”http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/freebooks.html


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:12 am

RESOLVED:: Persons who seek leadership positions constitute a group with a high risk for psychological problems and in the public interest they must be tested by more than one independent diagnostic psychologist before their name can be placed on the ballot.

Is the President Diagnosable? DSM-IV-301.81
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/is-pr…

Link to archived “Sam and Bunny’s Call the Shrink” talk radio program – Personality Disorders and World Leaders
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Sentinel_Radio/200…

The Narcissist as Liar and Con-man
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/01/narci…

Barack Obama – Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/obama.html

Do You Recognize Barack Obama in These Texts?http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/obama1.html

NPD and Paranoia
http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/se…
Approach-Avoidance Repetition Complex and Fear of Intimacy (see re paranoia)

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissist…
Regarding pathological narcissism:
http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/npdglance.html

Download “Narcissistic and Psychopathic Leaders
“http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/freebooks.html


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aawindoze2
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

LOL, personally, I think its kinda funny myself!

RT
http://www.anonymity.tk


factsarefun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:15 pm

You know how we can tell Obama was born in a TURD world country? Because his policies are CRAP.


aawindoze2
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

LOL, personally, I think its kinda funny myself!

RT
http://www.anonymity.tk


cword
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

They are just mad because he's black and he won. The American people have spoken.

Barack Obama is president.(Thank God)

Get over it already


factsarefun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

I know a lot of republicans (family) that voted for Obama because they couldn't stand McCain. They figured it would be fun to make history, give him a shot, see what he can do. Now they all wish to God they could take their votes back. Obama is a 1 term pres. We've made history, yay 2012 we'll elect a real president.


GS
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

So what is a “real” President? One that does not try to transform a our nation for the benefit of the most vulnerable among us? You comment is short on ideas and long on stupidity and ignorance.

A Obama or McCain presidency could not be judge @ this point, too many balls are in play. Only a knee jerk simpleton (on either side) would be ready to declare a verdict. Read and analyze a bit more before you go chomping off at the bit about issues with far more nuance and complexity than you can handle.


GS
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

Are these the same folks who believe that Hollywood cooked up the lunar landing or the Jews were the architects of 9/11? Conspiracy theories and revisionists are not just “funny” as some have commented. They reflect a growing belief in half truths, and information exploited out of context, The fact he that the Holocaust denial movement is growing is a testament to this.


Leo
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

Oh no Birthers, you caught us! Obama is actually a Kenyan Muslim Ultra-Left Socialist in spite of the overwhelming evidence that he is a Hawaiian (that's a state in case some of you didn't know) Christian Centrist Capitalist, and he is secretly plotting against you. He's coming to steal your guns and turn you gay!

Nothing you can do about it, though, because he's still an infinitely better President than the chimp you elected earlier and the zombie/bimbo ticket you wanted. Now loosen those tinfoil hats and relax while we clean up the mess you idiots made of our great nation while you were in the throes of your “security is more important than liberty” cowardice.


robmburke
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

And only someone who doesn't pay attention and can't see that what Obama said he will do (to get into the presidency) and what he is doing (the total opposite of his promises) is going to have a harsh wake-up one day.

What happened to a more transparent government? As of right now there have been several meetings about healthcare with groups of people “in secret”. The administration is using arguments that the Bush administration used to do the same thing, yet noone is calling him out for using the same tactics he said wouldn't use as to make his presidency more transparent and open to the people.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washing…

What about earmarks in bills? That was one thing Obama ranted and raved about that he was going to cut, yet every major Bill he has backed has had tons of them in there. His first stimulus package had stuff in there (like re-sodding the Mall area in Washington) that had nothing to do with stimulating the economy.

How about within the first 16 pages of the new healthcare bill, there is a phrase that outlaws private healthcare, only recently coming to light on July 15th?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Maybe you need to reavulate your trust in the character of our new President. He's no better than Bush. At least Bush's death to the country was slower than Obama's.


Leo
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

Excellent point, Whackjob! Why SHOULDN'T absolutely everyone everywhere all the time be required to provide evidence against ridiculous claims?

On an entirely unrelated subject, I'm going to need you to prove to me that you aren't the product of an interspecies relationship with an alligator. Some DNA tests should suffice. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE?


factsarefun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

GS – 10th amendment is clear. If the power or law is not defined in the constitution or amendments then it goes by default to the PEOPLE or the STATES. We are a republic which means you and me have the ultimate power to govern our lives. If HEALTCARE for example is a RIGHT as Obama says he believes it is. Then amend the constitution to say so have 2/3 of the Senate and the House AND THE FREAKING STATES ratify it. I think Obama is a clown, he has zero knowledge of what the constitution stands is, if he did, he wouldn't have apostatize from the principles stated there in. People like him and Bush that think it's just an F'ing piece of paper have ruined this country..


Rich Shreafferd
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE ANALYZED BY TOP EXPERT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2moOiS0sAGg&NR=1

OBAMA IS NOT NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AS REQUIRED BY THE US CONSTITUTION:
A.- Born on US Soil
B.- Both Parents US Citizens
His Father was born in Kenya. Slam dunk! Obama is not Natural born
And he should abandon the White House and resign immediately.

OBAMACARE= MURDER OF OUR PARENTS AND ALL ELDERLY
DEFEAT OBAMA NOW, ASK HIM TO SHOW HIS BC OR QUIT”


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

RESOLVED:: Persons who seek leadership positions constitute a group with a high risk for psychological problems and in the public interest they must be tested by more than one independent diagnostic psychologist before their name can be placed on the ballot.

Is the President Diagnosable? DSM-IV-301.81
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/is-pr…

Link to archived “Sam and Bunny’s Call the Shrink” talk radio program – Personality Disorders and World Leaders
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Sentinel_Radio/200…

The Narcissist as Liar and Con-man
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/01/narci…

Barack Obama – Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/obama.html

Do You Recognize Barack Obama in These Texts?http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/obama1.html

NPD and Paranoia
http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/se…
Approach-Avoidance Repetition Complex and Fear of Intimacy (see re paranoia)

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissist…
Regarding pathological narcissism:
http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/npdglance.html

Download “Narcissistic and Psychopathic Leaders
“http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/freebooks.html


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

Links to those crazy politicians
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/links…

RESOLVED:: Persons who seek leadership positions constitute a group with a high risk for psychological problems and in the public interest they must be tested by more than one independent diagnostic psychologist before their name can be placed on the ballot.


Matt
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

To be a President, you need to be:

be a natural born citizen of the United States
be at least thirty-five years old
have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

Neither of your parents have to have been born here. Because Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, he is automatically a citizen. Because his mother is American, even if he were born outside the United States, he would be a naturalized citizen. You're wrong. You're just wrong.


Not disclosed
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Your a troll, but I'll bite. Nowhere in the constitution does it specify where an American is born as a requirement for the presidency, as long as they were a citizen at birth. One of two parents being American citizens is all that is required. If being born on US soil were the requirement than a huge minority of the US population would be instantly disenfranchised from not only the presidency, but from government jobs, ability to vote, government assistance programs, in state college tuition and a host of other things.

But that might be the point for the birther movement.


Rich Shreafferd
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

The Constitutional provisions

The special term “Natural Born Citizen” is used in particular as a requirement for eligibility to serve as President or Vice President of the United States. Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution contains the clause:
“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

According to the US constitution Obama is Usurping the US Presidency and must be expelled ASAP


Rich Shreafferd
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Why is he hiding his documents then?
Why he has a Law Firm to make sure those docs are secured?
We know why?
Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya in the Coastal Regional Hospital and we have a copy of his Kenyan BC.
Obama is toast, he has to go.


plangley
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

so what's your point. president clinton was disbarred effective in all fifty of the united states. are you saying that any issue that he backs is bogus? i just don't get the point of this article. is this the best form of journalism that you can provide to your readership?


zerolat
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

I am almost 100% sure [Rich Shreafferd] voted for McCain during these past elections. Had McCain won, would he be singing the same sore looser tune? Doesn't he knows the fact that McCain was also born (outside of the US) in the Panama's Canal Zone? Sore looser…give it up already…and check your facts before you wreck yourself.


steve_as
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

The Constitution requires a natural born citizen.
Because many people seem to lack the knowledge of what this means. Let me clarify.

It means someone born a citizen.

The does NOT mean born on American soil. In fact it does NOT mean both parents have to be American citizens.

America uses a combination of two ancient paths to citizenship, jus sanguin (of blood), and jus soli (of country). So for those that failed high school social studies this means that there are at least 2 ways to be BORN a citizen.

1. You are born on American soil.
-I find it funny that the same people conspiring to put Obama in Kenya at his birth also hate when a Mexican illegally comes into America and has a child thereby giving the said infant full citizenship

2. ONE (not two) of your parents is a US citizen.
-Just like McCain who was born in Panama was born a US citizen, Obama's mother (from Kansas) could have had him anywhere in the universe and he still would be eligible for the presidency.

So for all those who wish to use the LAW as a way of overturning the election of one of our most popular presidents. Grab a book, go to the library. Try to talk to a lawyer that has not been disbarred.
Heck you could probably take a class on constitutional law at a university, maybe even in Chicago.


mantis
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Exactly, the only distinction is between a “natural born citizen” and a naturalized citizen (i.e. an immigrant). Obama is a natural born citizen.


robmburke
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Actually he's not the most popular, and he is quickly losing that popularity, especially with the way he is handling this supposed healthcare reform.
The longer it is kept from being voted on, the more people see what it is really about, and he knows this. As more of the truth comes out that he really is implementing government-run healthcare (regardless of his lofty claims that he isn't), more and more people are seeing the truth about what's going on here. And that's just healthcare.

That's not including the random firing and leaving of IG watchdogs with the replacement of Obama sycophants who will be able to let these agencies spread their driveling lies unchecked.

And the stupid debacle with the cap and tax bill that only will work if countries like China and India (who incidentally produce way more pollution than we do) were to cooperate (and they already said they don't give a crap about that stuff). All of which is based on lies anyway.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseActi…


Montreal_guy
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

Wow, Right-wingers are really, REALLY, bad losers.

If Al Gore and John Kerry had made a little fuss about election fraud in Ohio and Florida (like illigally building a database of felons from other states, and limiting poling booths in poor neighborhoods, amongst others), they would have been lamb-basted to no end… So they politely bowed out to save face and prevent civil unrest.

McCain looses by a landslide, and you guys cannot even stomach it.

A 'Innefectual Black Man' becomes 'An Arab' (both statements from the mouth of the SAME blue-haired sore looser), and McCain corrects her… But no, she's not satisfied and cannot stomach that a black guy could conceivably be President.

Where is the anger coming from? Sorry, but it boils down to race. Nothing else fills in all the blanks. What does that say about you, the right (wright) wing?

You and your movement are ridiculous. It makes YOU look like Alabama rednecks blocking the entrance to a school. Your resistance to history and the flow of time is unique in it's narrowmindedness, and you re-enforce the world's view that the USA is far, far, far from being a just and tolerant society. (You are 'No. 1' alright, just not in the way you think)

You talk big on Morals, but Republican Congressmen are caught having affairs left and right… Where is your high morals then??? It's OK because God (or C Street house) told them it was alright?

People do not like sore losers, get a life already


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

Liberal Suicide March
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/opinion/21bro…


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyer
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Oh, look. Idgit the Hun is here to share his idiocy. How lovely for us all…

Hey Idgit, how's that plan of yours from back in April going? Weren't all the Obots supposed to say “OMG” because YOU and the fantasy-grand-jury-league were going to drag Obama out in handcuffs “any day now”!! Yeah, that seems to have gone just as you predicted–oops, or maybe not, seeing as how Obama is STILL President…thanks for playing, you lose again.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyer
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

Please, Idgit the Hun, you wrote your crappy misinformed “OMG” blog post months ago. Sure, we'll all say “OMG”—we'll say “OMG you really are an idiot” and “OMG could your predictions have been MORE wrong”– I think not! OMG is right. OMG you are delusional.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyer
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

CA Rules of Professional Conduct
http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_ge…

Rule 1-311, Saying, in part:

(1) “Employ” means to engage the services of another, including employees, agents, independent contractors and consultants, regardless of whether any compensation is paid;

and, later:

(D) Prior to or at the time of employing a person the member knows or reasonably should know is a disbarred, suspended, resigned, or involuntarily inactive member, the member shall serve upon the State Bar written notice of the employment, including a full description of such person's current bar status. The written notice shall also list the activities prohibited in paragraph (B) and state that the disbarred, suspended, resigned, or involuntarily inactive member will not perform such activities. The member shall serve similar written notice upon each client on whose specific matter such person will work, prior to or at the time of employing such person to work on the client's specific matter. The member shall obtain proof of service of the client's written notice and shall retain such proof and a true and correct copy of the client's written notice for two years following termination of the member's employment with the client.


disbar_the_birfoon_lawyer
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Disbarment keeps a lawyer from acting as an attorney of record. Does it keep him from assisting another attorney in a “clerking” function?
————————————-
Depending on what state we are talking about, and what EXACTLY he is doing, the answer is often YES. Go check the Rules of Professional Conduct, in CA, Orly must notify both the CA Bar and all clients about any disbarred lawyer “assisting” her in her cases. She has not mentioned doing as much…and given her track record it is doubtful she has done so.


steve_as
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

He has at times been very popular (I doubt any president will ever come close to the universally loved George Washington).

That is why I said one of the most popular.

And by any objective measure. He is one of the most popular presidents.


robmburke
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Maybe, but it's only been 7 months and his popularity is starting to drop.
You can't call someone even “one of” the most popular Presidents till he at least has had time to solidify his position, but still, he is quickly losing support because people are starting to see his actions to be opposite of what he keeps saying. (Look a posts down to read what I said about that.)


Daniel
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Well that was a little oversimplified. Bill Clinton resigned from the Supreme Court bar. This was over whitewater perjury claims. This is not news nor is Bill Clinton doing any Supreme Court lawyer-ing.

No, disbarment doesn't mean your causes are pointless. However, when the best legal team you can muster includes a disbarred attorney, you should give the issue at least a second look.


Anonny Mouse
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

“What happened to a more transparent government?”

You mean the government that sends me status updates every day via email, twitter, facebook, etc? The government which has a website that allows me to participate in the lawmaking discussions?

I can't wait to see what the history books say about the birther idiots like you.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

In all fairness, Crash Test Johnnie almost certainly would not have been markedly or measurably less destructive of the American economy or less violative of U.S. citizens' rights than the Mombasa Messiah has been. The November 2008 presidential election is best characterized as a choice between death by cholera and death by bowel cancer.

Bowel cancer won.

Well, that certainly did “make history,” didn't it?

I would like to see Barry a LESS-than-one-term president. I would delight in seeing him perp-walked out of the White House in chains, and to see his Presidential Library established in the federal penitentiary in Marion, Ohio.

Such would serve as a sharp slap-down against the unconstitutional “Imperial Presidency” under which our nation has so long suffered, and offers a good chance to kick the figurative balls of our unlawful government so vigorously that we might even re-establish rule of law in this country.

Wouldn't you like that?


robmburke
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

I'm not a birther idiot. I don't believe that stuff at all.

Also, it is a meeting being held about the healthcare plans with non-administrative staff. It's one thing to keep a cabinet meeting secret; it's an entirely different thing for everyday citizens to be dragged into a meeting with the President and then what they talked about kept hush hush. For all we know, they are getting bribes to back the President.

I mean, seriously, why would the American Medical Association, who has normally been opposed to large-scale health reform, suddenly backing the President on something technically keeps them from getting money. The AMA is a bunch of doctors who will, with Obama's plan enacted, get lsess money. One of the reasons for the healthcare plan is to help lower prices that doctors are charging, yet the cery group that is doing the charging is backing the President. Something isn't right.
http://www.casavaria.com/cafesentido/2009/07/17…

Maybe you should stop being a blind fool and instead of letting the Dem's feed you with BS, figure out some stuff for yourself and use some common sense and logic. Maybe you'd actually SEE what's going on if you looked for yourself.


Not disclosed
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Where is that “special term” defined? As it is currently defined, any person that is a citizen at the time of their birth is a natural born citizen. It precludes say Arnold from CA from being president and anyone else who has naturalized after birth to the US. However Obama is not a naturalized citizen, he is a citizen by birth, regardless of where physically he was.


Dave
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Interesting how the believers of Obama's forged birth certificate never ever discuss, refer to, or provide links to the rather technical very well laid out photographic evidence provided by several licensed forensic document specialists, who have testified in hundreds of court cases, who site clear and irrefutable evidence that the Daily Kos/Factcheck photo of said certificate is a rather sloppy forgery. Different typface, supposedly a 2007 document but oh no it has the border of the 2008 form. Well DUH! They change the border every year to detect fraud! WARNING!!! DETECTED!!! Much more photographic evidence is provided of other indications that the document is an absolute forgery. Free your mind! Start using it again! http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/. Or you can just keep up the deflection campaign. Pimpin for the Prez is so cool!!!


AD
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Wow refusing to believe your commander and chief is a US citizen… doesn't sound very patriotic to me. These whackos must love Joe Biden cause that's what they're gonna be stuck with. Any rightwing nut cases ready to talk about the real problems facing our nation any time soon? You guys are blowing the health care thing by focusing on this. Morons.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:07 am

Oh, Barry's a citizen all right. So is his little maternal half-sister, Maya. And she wasn't born in these United States, either.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 10:11 am

Hacks? Lying? Misleading? Smearing?

At what point do you intend to stop talking about yourself and begin describing something about David Weigel?

Have you even read any of the articles he’s written on this site? It’s fairly obvious from your many comments on the many threads you’ve made comments that you never read any of the other comments, or any of the source material that you misconstrue without providing links to.

Let me guess. World Net Daily is the paragon of journalistic excellence, but a guy who wrote a series of fact-based articles and then smacked you down in the comments section for pulling shit out of your ass is a hack?

Would that be because Mr. Weigel asked you whether you really intend to argue that “a simple internet search” you claim to have done is to be considered more persuasive than the words of the Hawaiian state authorities, including without limitation the state’s Republican Governor?

Really, 24Ahead, you’re one of the dullest tool in a shed full of dull tools. At least Tuci78 has an interesting fear of authority that somehow goes back to his childhood study of the police. What’s your interesting quirk?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 10:11 am

Hacks? Lying? Misleading? Smearing?

At what point do you intend to stop talking about yourself and begin describing something about David Weigel?

Have you even read any of the articles he’s written on this site? It’s fairly obvious from your many comments on the many threads you’ve made comments that you never read any of the other comments, or any of the source material that you misconstrue without providing links to.

Let me guess. World Net Daily is the paragon of journalistic excellence, but a guy who wrote a series of fact-based articles and then smacked you down in the comments section for pulling shit out of your ass is a hack?

Would that be because Mr. Weigel asked you whether you really intend to argue that “a simple internet search” you claim to have done is to be considered more persuasive than the words of the Hawaiian state authorities, including without limitation the state’s Republican Governor?

Really, 24Ahead, you’re one of the dullest tool in a shed full of dull tools. At least Tuci78 has an interesting fear of authority that somehow goes back to his childhood study of the police. What’s your interesting quirk?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 10:17 am

Wow. A person capable enough to obtain a law license without formal education is someone who’s incredibly likely to commit malpractice.

There’s a reason why law schools are difficult, and a reason why people pay all that money to go there. I spent 3 years in law school and in my 7 years of practice since then, I have yet to meet ONE attorney who went to “online” law school who could be trusted to carry the file from the courtroom back to the office. Get a grip.

But you just keep right on driving that nail into your own forehead. When you get injured, be sure to look for a doctor who pieced together his or her understanding of medicine by reading the backs of sugar packets.

Dumbass.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 10:17 am

Wow. A person capable enough to obtain a law license without formal education is someone who’s incredibly likely to commit malpractice.

There’s a reason why law schools are difficult, and a reason why people pay all that money to go there. I spent 3 years in law school and in my 7 years of practice since then, I have yet to meet ONE attorney who went to “online” law school who could be trusted to carry the file from the courtroom back to the office. Get a grip.

But you just keep right on driving that nail into your own forehead. When you get injured, be sure to look for a doctor who pieced together his or her understanding of medicine by reading the backs of sugar packets.

Dumbass.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

Orly’s “law school” is an online correspondence diploma mill with no admission standards. It is NOT ACCREDITED by the ABA, which is a requirement for law schools in every state in the country other than California. That’s right folks: California is the only state in the country that allows graduates of unaccredited programs to become lawyers.

This is the hero of Birther Nation. LOL.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

When did Sandra Lines physically examine the document? Give me a date please.

Also provide us with her educational background.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

As a lawyer, you can’t even conform to the rules of comment. Did you read them, or did all those years of formal education burn you out to learning anything new? You want us to believe lawyers with formal education are more competent. Perhaps, but what about their morality? Congress is made up of lawyers. We need only look to lawyers and politicians to find fraudsters, substance abusers, felons, and liars (a crime once punishable by death). Thieves have more honor. And you wonder why you’re looked upon with scorn and disgust. It’s not your profession. It’s your behavior, beginning with your name-calling, which tarnishes all members of your profession.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 9:48 am

Hear, hear.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 9:56 am

You may not be a birther idiot, but you're an idiot.

What's this nonsense about a “hush hush” meeting the President had with “non-administrative staff?” Where were you when Cheney sued to resist having to be forced to give up the list of people who advised him on energy matters? 40 meetings with oil & gas, ONE meeting with renewable energy people, and we still don't know (and never will) who exactly he met with.

Stop pretending to give a shit who the President meets with. Even if you cared, thanks to Cheney, no President from this point on ever has to divulge his or her “guest list,” and none ever will.

But back to the real issue — if you're not a birther, join us in rebutting the birther nonsense or be mocked as one of them. “Something isn't right,” indeed.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 10:09 am

Now, stevie. Why should he join you in “rebutting” the contentions of your Messiah's detractors when you and your fellow Obamaphiles haven't accomplished dot-one in that regard yet?

Your yammering has not risen to the level of “rebuttal” in any wise thus far, and there is regrettably no indication that it ever will.

But good point about Cheyney's conduct during Dubbya's reign of malfeasance in public office. Are you aware of whether any of those “advisers” he summoned were experts on nuclear power or orbital solar power satellites?

Not that I credit your Republican brethren with anything resembling the technical sophistication, intelligence, or guts to look at either proven “low carbon footprint” power generation (the nukes) or practicable advance technology (the solar powersats), but it would be interesting to find out if that constipated sonofabitch had so much as the scrotal content required to open up such topics for consideration.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:05 am

Birthers are racist.

For those who say birthers aren't racist, I present here a few quotes from Randwulf. They all appeared on one 109 post thread. I haven't bothered to look at any of his racist comments made in other threads, like the one with 2,869 comments. If you fuss about it someone will compile a master list including comments from others as well, and prove you that much MORE wrong.

Oh, and he also gives away birther philosophy. So this is a Birther Rosetta Stone. Every other word after this sentence is a direct quote of Randwulf, and the last quote is a nod to Florida Christian, so enjoy!

“I think he is an Indonesian wetback, an illegal alien in every sense of the word.” [posted twice on same thread, days apart]

“Monkeys are experts on where to find nuts. Aren't they ALFTURD?”

“Monkeyf@cker.”

“Yes like when you call me a “racist”. Turnabout is fair play MONKEYF@CK!”

“But, its all good. Laugh away. Eat bananas and fling pooh! The monkeys can never run the zoo for very long before more advanced primates must move back in, hose down all the $hit and restore order. Looking forward to that!!”

“Wack-a-doodle? Hmm is that some new kind of mongrel breed or something? Why don't you guys run one of them for office! Oh and this time, make sure he has all his records, so we don't have to go through all this again.”

“I don't remember mentioning race at all, so it is you “making it clear” that I must harbor “racist” sentiments.”

“Man have I got a list of who's been naughty and who's been nice. Got ammo?”

[Birther Philosophy revealed below!]

“Whatever they have, we want to see it. We won't stop until we have it. Argument over it is pointless. The original documents will tell all. And then we will go for all the rest of the documents that he refuses to release.”

[Florida Christian Alert!]

“This whole sick episode would have been laid to rest long ago if…”


robmburke
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:17 pm

Wow, that is one of the grossest cases of bad reading comprehension I've seen yet.
I already admitted that Bush's administration did this. But I guess you can't read real well, so I'll forgive you. My point was, Obama said his administration would be different than everyone else's. It would bring change, he wouldn't do the same things the last people did. So far, he is doing exactly the same.

My point is, if he told us he would be more transparent, why is so much of what he is doing being kept behind closed doors. He is no different than the last administration. He's friggin liar, just like every last President. I'm not seeing this change to the way administrations operate that he boasted so much about to get into the presidency in the first place.
No, I don't care exactly about who he is meeting with, but I do care what they are discussing. It's really strange that the people that a government healthcare reform will affect monetarily are backing him on it. Rather fishy to me when those same people have never backed it before, but they are coming out of secret meetings agreeing with the President. If your so blind or at least not curious about that, I wonder how much you really care, or are you just a blind follower who jumps when the Dems say jump.

And along the lines of the birther. So far I have yet to take a side on it. If it's true, there is definitely a lack of evidence. But, then that lack of evidence comes with the fact the President seems to want to keep his birth information under lock and key.
His short form has things blacked out on it, and his long form is under lock and key. Birth records don't have such sensitive information on them that someone could steal his identity or something. So why hide it all up. People say they have proof; so, if it's not true, simply produce the stinking documents and put it all to rest. I don't technically believe at the moment that he isn't a US citizen, but it sure is fishy that he won't just allay everyone's allegations by simply producing simple documents that can't hurt him to produce.


Don L
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:38 pm

Gee disbarred? That puts her into the Bill Clinton camp doesn't it? Sorry, I guess he's under the bus now, and okay to put down, now that Obamessiah is here.


cbreitel
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:24 pm

Please provide us with the names of these so-called “licensed forensic document specialists.”

I also expect to see links to their resumes so we can verify their status.


neilends
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

Someone needs to report this to the California state bar.


neilends
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

Clinton did not resign from the Supreme Court bar due to “whitewater perjury claims.” He was disciplined by the Arkansas state bar over his untruthful deposition testimony regarding Monica Lewinsky. Once the Arkansas bar disciplined him, the Supreme Court automatically would have disbarred him, so he resigned instead.


neilends
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:36 pm

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1898, a full century ago, that a “natural born citizen” is any person born in the United States regardless of the citizenship status of his or her parents. So, sorry, but you are wrong.


neilends
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

Nice fantasy. Do you replay it in your mind every night before going to bed, to help you deal with waking up and realizing that Barack Hussein Obama is the President of the United States of America and there's not a damn thing you can do about it?


neilends
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

“And along the lines of the birther. So far I have yet to take a side on it. If it's true, there is definitely a lack of evidence.”

Um. You know, for a minute there I was kind of sympathizing with you because you denied being a birther and yet you were being attacked for being an “idiot” just because you're a Republican. But then you ruined it all with your above quote.

FYI, if you think there is “definitely a lack of evidence” of Obama's status, YOU'RE A BIRTHER. There is actually a mountain of evidence and the issue is very clear-cut and straightforward. If you're somehow confused by this very clear evidence, then, again… congratulations, you're a birther.


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robmburke
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

What I meant was, even if it is true, there is a lack of evidence supporting that it's true.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/wp-content/up…

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2299

If you need any other validation I am eager to provide it.


D'Oh!
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Very amusing, but not pertinent to the facts, of course.


24wienersaheaddotcom
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

Dude – you are giving the Huns a bad name.


Son of Bob
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 12:22 am

Saul Alinsky would be proud. Don't refute the massive evidence of the charge…attack the accusers.

Of course, after eight years of the press attacking the multiple victims of Bill Clinton's sexual molestations, it's not surprising.


Cruisingfool
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 12:30 am

Oh this is just the beginning of the Second American Revolution. Just kick back and watch this 2 hour movie, and decide for yourself what is actually going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

Do your own research OBOT!!! If you would read the articles it's real easy to Google for additional information. Your not really interested in the evidence are you? You just want to discredit the author so you don't have to admit you were duped by the usurper in the White House. Even if the authors had no more than a kindergarten education the photographic evidence shown makes it clear the document is fraudulent. Now go back and read the damn evidence and quit worrying about the authors education. Do you have to know who figured out 2+2=4 before you will believe it? Jesus H.Dopefiend! Free your mind and try logic for a change. You people are pathetic!!! More evidence for you. Oh yeah, be sure to discredit the author (credentials listed)because he wants to remain anonymous due to OBOTS who went to his house and trashed his property. REJECT SELECTIVE LOGIC!!!
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Do your own research OBOTS!!! If you would read the articles it's real easy to Google for additional information. Your not really interested in the evidence are you? You just want to discredit the author sso you don't have to admit you were duped by the usurper in the White House. Even if the authors had no more than a kindergarten education the photographic evidence shown makes it clear the document is fraudulent. Now go back and read the damn evidence and quit worrying about the authors education. Do you have to know who figured out 2+2=4 before you will believe it? Jesus H.Dopefiend! Free your mind and try logic for a change. You people are pathetic!!! More evidence for you. Oh yeah, be sure to discredit the author (credentials listed)because he wants to remain anonymous due to OBOTS who went to his house and trashed his property. REJECT SELECTIVE LOGIC!!!
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…

Watch now as the OBOTS resort to deflection rather than actual read, deal with, or refute point by point the evidence. I am so glad this election showed who the real sheep are!!!


Michael
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

Do you think that the Obama White House will not continue to destroy all who question him in whatever method known to them?


Greg
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

Do you think that people who love this country more than life itself will not oppose all threats to it's existence and it's Constitution?

It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media

and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines

the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed

document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to

examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit

spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual

forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be

an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would

the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on

the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK

AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS

WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY

TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME

PICTURES SO MAYBE………..? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,

AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S

RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


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oaktowndad
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

I think this lawsuit is ridiculous, but with regard to Lincoln, there is nothing wrong with a disbarred lawyer showing up in a courtroom, even at counsel table (where paralegals often accompany lawyers), or signing a proof of service (which is a task often performed by legal secretaries or paralegals).

As far as calling himself a “law clerk,” this is a term often used by folks who have legal educations but who are not admitted to practice (such as recent law school graduates). It may be common for disbarred folks to use it as well, though I haven't seen that in practice.


hellakul
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Obamabots can't argue with facts so they attack the messengers. Typical hate filled libs


Jeannie
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:09 am

**I suppose I would qualify as an Obamabot, but I don't want to attack anybody. I just want to be able to sit here for a bit longer laughing my ass off at you clowns.


Jeannie
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:12 am

**LOL! Pass the popcorn.


liberalenigma
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:28 am

The FBI the Clinton camp the Edwards camp the Mc Cain Camp The GOP GOV of Hawaii… every GOP organization during the election ALL VETTED HIM AND KNOW THAT HE WAS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN… Do you actually think that Hillary Clinton would have let that by her ?
Not a chance

He is not an Arab like Mc Cain had to defend from the old woman at the town hall either….

HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND IT SUCKS TO BE YOU

Keep beating that drum losers… Its fun watching you scratch and claw… and steam


Outraged2
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Mind if I join you Jeannie? Bwahahahaha!!!


AdrianBrowne
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Do the Birthers have a second act?


bokonon2
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:38 am

Um … listen. The President (and the Congress) that crippled the inspector generals at different federal agencies was NOT Obama. That was President Bush, and the GOP-dominated Congress that held power through the 2006 election.

Go look it up. I was there, and I watched it and experienced it. The IG's were systematically defunded and crippled. And political hacks were installed in the positions. The point was to render them completely ineffective in the orgy of contracting and rulemaking corruption that followed.

And – again, I can't stress this enough. I was there, and saw it firsthand. So don't talk to me about “firing and leaving of IG watchdogs” until you know what you are talking about.


bokonon2
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:41 am

Would you mind spending a couple of minutes on the Internet to research the standards for US citizenship before posting this self-indulgent garbage?

Or is that asking too much?


bokonon2
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:43 am

Hey … Rich?

Statements aren't the same as facts. So show us your proof, or stick it in your ear.


RobertSeattle
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:14 am

Projection.


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StrangeAppar8us
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

Greg — No one knows who Polarik or TechDude are. In fact, they've accused each OTHER of being liars and fakes, and BOTH of them have been thoroughly debunked by an actual document expert with a name, address and a resume. There is no reason to believe that either one has testified in any court case, ever, in an expert capacity.

The “fake COLB” case is so weak that most Birthers have moved on to the “foreign father,” “Indonesian citizen” and “dual citizenship” craziness. You're still using Birther Conspiracy 1.0.


Rader Johnson
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

Wow! The wingnuts are truly becoming unhinged now! I believe they are having visions of the coming Armageddon, and as hard as they try, no wings are sprouting from their shoulders! They've got this sickening feeling that they are going to be left behind with all those crazy liberals who will rule the world and rape and pillage apple pie and god knows what else! It must be a really scary place to be, no? (Now stop that snickering! That's rude!)


Rollo
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

I find this whole issue very interesting. If Obama was born in Hawaii as claimed, why doesn't he just show his certificate and end all this. Why is he spending millions to fight disclosing his birth data. When I applied for a passport it was required that I provide an original or certified copy of my birth certificate. So if you continue to disparage those who ask the question without offering the common sense answer to Obama's actions you lose credibility.


MarciaJ720
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Hilarious that people think that any county Registrar anywhere in America would release the Original documentation on any Birth or Death. In fact, many now scan the information in and throw the original documents away.

A Birth Certificate is just that. It states that the County is “Certifying” that there is, indeed, a brith (or death) record is on file with the county.

You will NEVER, EVER see your original birth records. Nor will anybody outside of any County Registrar's office.

That's where these birthers are so mistaken. They think there is an original birth certificate and there isn't. There might be an original birth document that documents the birth but the certificate only certifies that a record is on file.

Birthers are desperate and their racial hatred is showing more than any of them realize.


SteinL
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

How many versions of the birth certificate do you need?
The GOP Governor of Hawaii attests to the legitimacy of his birth certificate.
The official registry likewise, and they have produced the birth certificate.
Two local Hawaiian papers have mentions of Obama's birth, the day after it happened, with references to his parents?

The birther fantasy is one thing, reality quite another. It's really just a question of people hating the fact that a black man is president, and latching on to any excuse to invalidate his election.

The only sad thing here, given that Obama's eligibility has long since been established and recognized (remember the inauguration), is that the media are playing the game. Lou Dobbs? A joke from now until the day I forget his name.


MarciaJ720
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

He has shown his Birth Certificate. But if you have your blinders on then you cannot see it.


Rollo
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Marcia, he showed a “Certificate of live birth” which is not a birth certificate. It was a computer generated form that did not have footprint, doctor, hospital or any of the requisit information required. Also computer generated documents like the one he shared were not available in the 60's. I would suggest that you look at your certificate and compare it to the one Obama showed and see if you can reasonably think the are similar in purpose or information.


Greg
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

Oh really? So where's your link to this debunker's info? Interesting, I do research for a living, I provide links to the information so people can make up their own minds. You? You present supposed info with no link to independently verify what you claim? Nice try bud except only the foolish are fooled by such lame deflection tactics. Here's more linked documented info for those who prefer to read and make up their own minds rather than have an OBOT DRONE provide unsubstantiated opinion/facts.

Dr. Polarik writes: “There are laws on the books in Hawaii and the Federal Statutes that clearly spell out exactly what constitutes forgery, and in both Hawaii State Law and the Federal Statutes, the act of altering an official government document — even if it is just a facsimile of that document — constitutes forgery. The bogus COLB that Obama created is also considered to be a “false identification document, a felony forgery.” Dr. Polarik’s evidence is preserved online. There is also a YouTube video summary of the evidence.

Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines, a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit that states, in part:

After reviewing Dr. Polarik’s analysis, Sandra Lines says, “I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Dr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is posted at U. S. Law Blog.
http://www.thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/a


Greg
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

By the way Strange, Pamela at the linked Atlas Shrugged knows who Tech Dude is, knows his credentials and that is why she posted his report. Free your mind, reject selective logic. It makes you look dimwitted.


Elsbeth
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:55 am

I think my thoughts are best explained here:

http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1094&hilit=pastoral+psychotherapists&start=100#p27203

Hun, I have no problem with pastoral psychotherapist/counselors. But, as a psychologist, I have a lot of trouble with those who overstate their training and lie bout why they can’t get certification.

Finally, I listened to your show a few times. Your understanding of the brain is misinformed and creates steretypes about the differences between men and women. I am also very troubled by your desire to define political affiiation as pathologies:

http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1938&start=25#p49619

Again, Hun, I have no problem with pastoral psychotherapist/counselors. But, as a psychologist, I have a lot of trouble with those who overstate their training and lie bout why they can’t get certification.


ricksmith1
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Rollo, let me put this to rest for you. The Honolulu Advertiser announced the birth of “a son, to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama on August 4 in Oahu” in its August 13 edition. August 13, 1961. Do you need any more evidence than that? Now this isn't John Smith. The name reads Barack H. Obama. Announced in August 1961!

You lost the election. It's that simple. When my guy won more votes and your guy's brother and the Supreme Court got him selected, people like you told us to “move on.” Obama beat McCain, who by the way, wasn't born in the United States. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone.


Greg
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Correction!!! He has shown a forged Birth Certificate, but if you are an OBOT DRONE then you cannot allow yourself to read reports by professional document forgery experts that say it is a forgery.

Dr. Polarik writes: “There are laws on the books in Hawaii and the Federal Statutes that clearly spell out exactly what constitutes forgery, and in both Hawaii State Law and the Federal Statutes, the act of altering an official government document — even if it is just a facsimile of that document — constitutes forgery. The bogus COLB that Obama created is also considered to be a “false identification document, a felony forgery.” Dr. Polarik’s evidence is preserved online. There is also a YouTube video summary of the evidence.

Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines, a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit that states, in part:

After reviewing Dr. Polarik’s analysis, Sandra Lines says, “I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Dr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is posted at U. S. Law Blog.
http://www.thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/a

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs

Now hear this!! Just because pictures showing Obama's document provided is different from all other genuine 2007 COLB'S does not mean it was forged……it just shows he's like a God or something…..a magical Messiah….HE IS DIFFERENT!!!!


Greg
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

So if all that is true why did Obama feel it was necessary to submit a forged 2007 COLB with a border only found on the 2008 COLB. Or is that too techical of a question for an OBOT DRONE?

Dr. Polarik writes: “There are laws on the books in Hawaii and the Federal Statutes that clearly spell out exactly what constitutes forgery, and in both Hawaii State Law and the Federal Statutes, the act of altering an official government document — even if it is just a facsimile of that document — constitutes forgery. The bogus COLB that Obama created is also considered to be a “false identification document, a felony forgery.” Dr. Polarik’s evidence is preserved online. There is also a YouTube video summary of the evidence.

Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines, a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit that states, in part:

After reviewing Dr. Polarik’s analysis, Sandra Lines says, “I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Dr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is posted at U. S. Law Blog.
http://www.thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/a

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs

Now hear this!! Just because pictures showing Obama's document provided is different from all other genuine 2007 COLB'S does not mean it was forged……it just shows he's like a God or something…..a magical Messiah….HE IS DIFFERENT!!!!


Greg
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

Do some research OBOTS!!! If you would read the articles it's real easy to Google for additional information. Your not really interested in the evidence are you? You just want to discredit the author so you don't have to admit you were duped by the usurper in the White House. Even if the authors had no more than a kindergarten education the photographic evidence shown makes it clear the document is fraudulent. Now go back and read the damn evidence and quit worrying about the authors education. Do you have to know who figured out 2+2=4 before you will believe it? Jesus H.Dopefiend! Free your mind and try logic for a change. You people are pathetic!!! More evidence for you. Oh yeah, be sure to discredit the author (credentials listed)because he wants to remain anonymous due to OBOTS who went to his house and trashed his property. REJECT SELECTIVE LOGIC!!!

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs


ricksmith1
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

You lost the election. Obama is president. We know how hard it is for the extreme right to accept that. No one was duped. The country was in one of its lowest places in its history after 8 years of hard core right wing rule. No one was fooled. You just can't admit that you lost, and the right's disdain for democratic principles is being evidenced through the birther movement. (Not to mention that it must be appalling for nativist reactionaries to see Barack Hussein Obama as president of the US, with his black wife and black children no less!)

Explain the Honolulu Advertiser birth announcement of August 13, 1961. Since you can't please please please go back to your trailer park, gaze up at your poster of Sarah Palin and wait until November 2012. That's how we do it in the USA.


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Texas Aggie
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:32 am

“why did Obama feel it was necessary to submit a forged 2007 COLB”

That's easy. He didn't submit a forged 2007 COLB. He supplied an authentic one that was NOT different from all other genuine 2007 COLB's.


Texas Aggie
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:39 am

The birfers seem to like this meme about a certificate of live birth somehow being different from a birth certificate. They never seem to get around to explaining how it is different, either just stating that it is or saying that they'll let the reader figure it out.

For what it's worth, the birth certificates of my two kids both lack footprints, doctors and hospitals, but Wisconsin is quite happy with them. And they were acceptable to get them passports.

And Rollo, think once. Of course he showed you a computer generated copy. That's what Hawaii gives you these days. Really, despite what Cokie Roberts would have you believe, Hawaii is part of the computer age and isn't some quaint backwater spot in the tropics.


Texas Aggie
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:47 am

“people who love this country more than life itself will not oppose all threats to it's existence and it's Constitution?”

Excuse me!!!! Are you serious or is this some sort of snark? Where were these “people who love this country” when Bush was pushing for his illegal war in Iraq. Where were they when Bush started his illegal surveillance? Where were they when Bush pushed through his “Patriot” act? Where were they when Bush/Cheney's pet dogs wrote memos authorizing Bush/Cheney to take dictatorial powers?

Please!!! Don't ever, ever try to claim that you people care about this country and its Constitution, “that Goddamned piece of paper.” You've done everything you can do to trample it into the mud. If Washington and the rest of the rebels of the War for Independence came back, you would be set in front of a firing squad for treason.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:25 am

Hey Elsbeth,

I guess they scrubbed your post. Good decision. It was completely personal and way off topic. So my post will probably get the same treatment.

Send me an email and I'll show you where you are wrong. I'm not hard to find. You are even welcome to phone if you like.


just_jim
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:28 am

I don't get it.

Even if the Birthers were right instead of right-wing wack jobs, why are they so anxious for Joe Biden to be President, and Nancy Pelosi next in line?


BlueManGroup
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:26 am

Rollo, what a foreign-sounding name. Instead of getting yourself all lathered up about President Obama's papers, I suggest you get yours in order.


BlueManGroup
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 7:28 am

Greggy, you're nothing but a blowhard. This is what we take away from your wingnut rants..blah..blah..Obots..blah…whine…whine…sniffle. We won..bend over and take it like a wingnut should.


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Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Hilarious. I worked in a family law firm for 4 1/2 years. I know a little something about this stuff.

I have looked and had to recently order my stepson's Birth Certificate. In Texas, it looks almost identical to a Death Certificate (which we have copies for my dad and my mother-in-law).

Again, you people are kidding yourselves. You are racist and that is the crux of this whole situation. Trying their best to claim the man is not legitimate. No, they see him as 3/5's of a person in the Whitehouse and they cannot handle it.

You all are the idiots. I trust FACTCHECK.ORG over some professor.

Ignorance, pure, unadulterated ignorance.

Oh, and a Certificate of Live Birth is a Birth Certificate. Call your local County Registrar's office and check (bet you won't though). Again, ignorance by people so willing to believe this crap. Gullible, gullible people being played by media figures. Too funny (but also really sad).


MarciaJ720
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

Oh, on the top of my stepson's Birth Certificate….

“Certificate of Live Birth”

And it was actually his Father who had to sign to request it.

On the top of both my father's original death certificate and my mother-in-law's original death certificate both say, “Certificate of Death” on the top. T

Both the Birth and Death Certificates look mighty similar here in Texas too.

Enough said.

Also, Hawaii put all of their county records on computer around the year 2000. Original documents were destroyed, as they usually are when counties go to computerized systems. They only have so much room to store all these documents….


MarciaJ720
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

It is a way to avoid talking about the real issues of the day. Diversion.

But there is also still an awful lot of hatred here in America (especially by some who call themselves Christians, wait, almost all these people showing all this hatred are also claiming to BE Christians).


Elsbeth
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

I have posted on your site…and at politijab.com. You don't allow my super polite posts on your site, so I stopped trying. You also tend to “alter” liberal posters comments. Why not show me how I am wrong over on politijab? You are welcome to PM me there…LM K.

I doubt you will, but the offer is in good faith. Who knows, perhaps I will learn more about the law as it relates to pastoral psychotherapy.

As to the article. Lincoln is a con man and has done tremendous damage to the birfer movement. Orly's involvement with Lincoln could lead to an ethics investigation by the CA bar. Orly is the only birfer lawyer doing anything. Reign her in before she does more damage. Frankly though, the damage is beyond repair.

At this point, with all the negative press for the birfer movement in the past 2 weeks, which is a result of Orly's appearance on CNN, the birfers either develop a new strategy (the CGJ has been an epic fail), or you all move on. Crazy Eileen hasn't helped your movement either.

I can appreciate that birfers hate Obama's politics, they may hate having a black man as POTUS, or they may just not like the man personally. But to continue abusing the legal system in this way cost the taxpayers loads of money and is an insult to our democracy. Why aren't the teapartiers upset about the tax money the birfers are costing the country?

Quit the lies. Do something more productive with your political energies. You, the birfers, are killing the GOP.

Finally, quit trying to steal my vote.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

Will you walk into my parlour?” said the Spider to the Fly,
'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
And I've a many curious things to shew when you are there.”
Oh no, no,” said the little Fly, “to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair can ne'er come down again.”

Meet me at ChronWatch.

Before the moderators deleted both our earlier messages (as they should have) I invited you to email me or evean phone me. I am not hard to find and I don't hide who I am like most posters.


Elsbeth
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

Hun, I am not emailing you or calling you…that gives you my identity. I don't need to be stalked, harassed and have my property vandalized as other obots have had happen when Orly revealed a posters info. It is great that you want to be so public…I do not. I have seen really bad things happen as a result.

I don't even know what Chronwatch is. We are both members at politijab and we could conduct our conversation in a private chat if you wish. Or through PM.


Elsbeth
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

P.S. I have been told, perhaps mistakenly, that you like to share obots IP addys. I chose to be cautious.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

Yes I have shared the IP addresses of Obot spammers. But I haven't shared yours.

Are you stalking me?


Elsbeth
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 12:45 am

Nope. Just ran into you hear. You replied…I replied back. I don't spam, ever. I have just heard that you share. Had no idea if that was true or not. Now I know.

You don't have my IP.


Elsbeth
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Didn't you get the memo? Once Obama s marched out of the white house in matching bracelets, there will be a new election. Biden would be ineligible because he was selected by an ineligible candidate. Since McCain isn't an NBC, Palin will be POTUS.


elsbeth
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 2:36 am

Oops…homophone. That should read “here” not “hear”!


Buck
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Berg has been sanctioned multiple times and disbarred as well. This is why he's filing all suits pro se. Taitz has been moved for disbarment in California–and, given her history, it's likely to pan out.


elsbeth
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 2:52 am

I wish Berg had been disbarred. He hasn't, but should be. Berg has been sanctioned; he was required to pay his client almost $11,000 and had to attend 6 hours of continuing education on legal ethics.

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=112202311…

If you have links to info on Berg being disbarred, I would love to have them. The man should have been kicked out of the bar years ago.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 4:55 am

Hm? Why should you want Mr. Berg to be deprived of the ability to get a living in the only way for which he has trained all his life? Because he dared to question the (chortle! snigger! guffaw!) non-existent bona fides of your Chicago machine politician ACORN “poverty pimp” simulacrum of a legitimate U.S. head of state? Lèse majesté offends you so much, lizzie?

Tsk. Entirely too caught up with the notion of an “imperial presidency,” ain'tcha?

Vindictive little minx. Are there any males – apart from those already rendered eunuchs – who dare enter your presence without a Kevlar codpiece, my little bibbity-Bobbitt-y-boo?


elsbeth
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

Why should my opinion about Berg bother you Tuci? I have followed Berg for a year now. His entire case is another ruse to get people to click his paypal button. Ask the truthers how happy they are with Berg.

And why the jump to sexist insults? A thinking woman must be a dangerous thing to you. Otherwise you would say something of substance.

I don't believe I have insulted you.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

Oh, I've got no brief for Berg. Lordy, little girl! He's not only a lawyer but a staunch and upstanding member of the National Socialist (née “Democrat”) Party. Like I'd leave this guy sitting at my dining room table and expect to come back and find the family silver unrobbed?

Nah, what I find remarkable in your virago attitude toward Berg – for his heretical, unspeakable, unthinkable actions against your beloved Marxist Messiah – is the pure vindictiveness of your sputtering hate.

As to “sexist insults”… Well, hell, little lady. I'm just “stirring up the animals” as merrily as can be managed. If you didn't keep flashing your “Push Here and Watch the Weasel Squeal!” buttons so gaudily, you wouldn't be inviting folks to enjoy the show.


elsbeth
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

I think folks like Berg are hurting the conservative movement. And conservatives are having a difficult enough time as it is. Besides, my thoughts and feelings about Berg are as valid as your about Obama.

What in the world do you mean by your last paragraph?


elsbeth
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

AtH,

I owe you an apology for what I posted the other day. I was out of line and hope you can accept my apology. TWI hasn't contacted me about this; it is a sincere, self-initiated apology.

Most sincerely.
Elsbeth


Tuci78
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 1:09 am

Er, lizzie…? Berg is a National Socialist. What we used to call a “Democrat.” How can his conduct be construed as reflecting ill upon “the conservative movement,” anyway?

Not to mention that I don't give a putrescent rat's ass for “the conservative movement” myself, to perdition with them, and bad cess to them, and their mothers smell of elderberries.

I'm not what even the spurious Republican-fellating fraudulences who call them “conservatives” today would call a conservative. I'm a constitutionalist, I suppose, in that I want to see the Bill of Rights enforced upon each government “Malevolent Jobholder” as the law of the land.

Which is, little darlin', precisely what the Bill of Rights is.


Anyone who encounters (or professes to encounter) any difficulty understanding the meaning or intention of any portion of the Bill of Rights should ask himself the following question about America's Founders:

You've just fought the most powerful and ruthless government on the planet for thirteen long, miserable years and finally (more or less to your surprise) won your independence. The last thing in the world you want is to create another government just like the one you just defeated, or to fall again — or let your children or grandchildren fall again — under the boot-heel of tyranny.

Now: what do you want the Bill of Rights to mean?

– L. Neil Smith


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 1:13 am

I can easily overlook the motive and intent of your post. I can not so easily overlook the inaccuracies. So, I accept your appoligy and encourage you to correct those things you said that were not factual. No, I don't mean correct them publically on this blog, I mean correct your misconception of the quality of my work and my qualifications.

Maybe this profile written by Selwyn Mills, PhD will help correct your impressions:

Dr. Selwyn Mills tells you all about Sam and Bunny:

· Sam and Bunny Sewell are fascinating people. They are both active in MENSA the High IQ Society, so their interests and expertise are deep and wide

· They operate a Counseling and Life Skills Clinic, Best Self USA.

· Sam is the Gifted Child Coordinator for MENSA.

· Bunny facilitates women’s groups which discuss everything from Ansel Adams to Zen Buddhism.

· Sam is an aviation enthusiast. He is also a Hot Rodder, with a trophy winning, best in show, car.

· Bunny does organic gardening and operates an Organic Foods Co-op.

· They do seminars on Marriage and Family issues, their award winning research on Family Issues is published in several languages.

· They serve on the faculty of Naples Theological Center, and teach Comparative World Religions and Biblical Scholarship.

· They serve on the Adjunct Faculty for the Clinical Pastoral Education program at Naples Community Hospital

· They do many personal appearances and radio and TV interviews for their newly released book “I Fired My Doctors and Saved My Life”

· They do Health and Fitness Coaching and Nutritional Counseling

· Their interests range from Philosophy, Psychology, Science, Religion, Literature, the Arts & just about anything else that makes it worth waking up each morning.


elsbeth
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 3:15 am

Thank you AtH.

I have read your site. And have seen the above elsewhere. None of that addresses my concerns. I have invited you to chat about my “misconceptions”, but you have not accepted my offer.

Not much I can do about that.

Again, I am happy to have a private chat…you know where I am.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 3:21 am

Wrong. Check you messages.


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elsbeth
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:23 am

Checked my messages. Still awaiting legal documentation about your claims regarding the 1st amendment.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:39 am

Previously I asked if you were stalking me . Every unwanted contact with you (except this one) has included inaccuracies or accusations based on a false premise. I have made it clear that I do not want you to communicate with me.

Is persisting in pestering someone who has asked you not to do so defined as stalking?

I am almost 70 years old and happily married. Please quit trying to interact with me.


elsbeth
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:58 am

Actually, we were exchanging PMs. You didn't tell me to not PM you…when you were PMing me. The majority of my responses were at your invitation.

I gave you plenty of opportunity to clarify any misunderstandings. You are unwilling/unable. I truly would like the info that you talk about on the first amendment so that I can correct anything that I have posted that might be inaccurate. I am happy to correct anything I have posted which is incorrect. I have demonstrated my willingness.

But, your claims of stalking a riotous…YOU interact willingly and YOU ASKED me to email or CALL YOU. I post the above message and that makes me a stalker? You said to check my messages. I did. Told you I was still awaiting an expected message from you.

Typical birfer…play the victim. This is my last post to you. You are welcome to have the last word.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 7:09 am

You know who I am. You know where I live. You know my phone number. You have my email address. You have “researched” me by being to my professional web site, checking my Psychology Today verification, the Florida Department of Professional Regulation, and my educational history. Yet all I know about you is your suspicious clandestine behavior.

People are not who they say they are. People are not who they think they are. People are what the do. The only thing I know about you is your behavior. Behavior is the best indicator of who a person is. Your behavior is secretive. Your behavior is finding fault with others. Your behavior is persistent to the point of obsessive. You refuse to communicate with me in an open and conventional manner.

Now, does that add up to the kind of person anyone would want to get to know? For me it is the kind of behavior that makes me very suspicious of your motives and your mental stability.

Oddly, in spite of these observations you almost give the impression that you are sincere and only moderately hostile.

Si when I know as much about you as you know about me maybe we can communicate. If you are willing to contact me in a conventional way that is revealing of whom you are, and I can document what is said or have a witness to our conversation I might still consider interaction.

If you are capable of empathy, think of it from my point of view. Wouldn't you be suspicious, or at least cautious if the tables were turned?

I have made it clear before what my terms are for communicating with me. Those terms do not include interacting with an anonymous inquisitor on a public forum or any venue of your choice.


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You're creepy AND stupid.


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Well, captainstevecrunch, you are not going to see any long form and President Obama will remain president and since there’s nothing left and no more reason for you to continue to live, since you can’t see this document that you claim will prove to you that President Obama was born in the United States and make you feel all warm and fuzzy towards him, then you might as well go out back and kill yourself…….now get to it!!!!


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Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

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Anonymous
Comment posted December 22, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

robmburke wrote: “… So why hide it all up. People say they have proof; so, if it’s not true, simply produce the stinking documents and put it all to rest. I don’t technically believe at the moment that he isn’t a US citizen, but it sure is fishy that he won’t just allay everyone’s allegations by simply producing simple documents that can’t hurt him to produce.” Yeah, you’re a birfer!!!


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